Cheney: WMD Attack on Obama’s Watch ‘Highly Probable’

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Watching the signals of weakness being thrown off by the Obama administration, former Vice President Dick Cheney is worried.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney warned that there is a “high probability” that terrorists will attempt a catastrophic nuclear or biological attack in coming years, and said he fears the Obama administration’s policies will make it more likely the attempt will succeed.�

In an interview Tuesday with Politico, Cheney unyieldingly defended the Bush administration’s support for the Guantanamo Bay prison and coercive interrogation of terrorism suspects.�

And he asserted that President Obama will either backtrack on his stated intentions to end those policies or put the country at risk in ways more severe than most Americans — and, he charged, many members of Obama’s own team — understand.�

“When we get people who are more concerned about reading the rights to an Al Qaeda terrorist than they are with protecting the United States against people who are absolutely committed to do anything they can to kill Americans, then I worry,” Cheney said.�

Protecting the country’s security is “a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business,” he said. “These are evil people. And we’re not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek.”�

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323 comments

1 godfrey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:41:45am

Well, considering Obama has been rapidly assuming the "kick me" position, it hardly needs to be said.

2 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:42:47am

No Hope...

3 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:42:52am

Dick Cheney's worried?...Well that makes two of us.

4 Blackacre  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:43:04am

We're fifteen days into the second Carter term.
Fasten your seat belts, folks.

5 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:43:05am

Understanding the Moonbat Mind, I expect to hear that this means that "Cheney's planning to attack" in 3....2....1....

6 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:43:28am

I wonder if the Dems will have the audacity to attack Cheney for his remarks when they have Jimmy Carter who not only has criticized every President when in this country, but has given aid and comfort to the enemies of America while standing on foreign soil.

7 alexknyc  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:44:23am

Can someone send a copy of Neville Chamberlain's biography to the White House?

8 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:44:30am

Cheney was just put up to this by his Big Oil buddies, who want to make lost of money by torturing innocent Muslims! Because that, like... makes, like, big oil money, or something.

9 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:44:40am

He's worried and with good reason. Europeans are pushing the US to open talks with Iran.

"The readiness of the new administration to reach out to Iran was explicitly welcomed by all at today's meeting in Wiesbaden," German Foreign Ministry spokesman Jens Ploetner said at a government news conference in Berlin.

He underlined Germany's hopes that Iran will respond positively to the new overtures from Washington. "We hope that this outstretched hand will not be seen as a sign of weakness in Teheran," he said.

It's faith based negotiations. They're hoping that the US gestures aren't seen as weakness.

Memo to the US and Europeans. Restraint and negotiations are seen as weakness to be exploited. It will be seen as weakness, and Iran will further accelerate its plans knowing that Obama and the Europeans are not going to do anything. By the time the US and Europeans realize that they have to act, it will be too late (and that tipping point may have already passed).

10 MarineGrunt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:44:45am

re: #3 Ringo the Gringo

Add me to that list.

11 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:45:00am

re: #8 Occasional Reader

who want to make lost lots of money

12 WitchDoctor  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:45:03am

>.I wonder if the Dems will have the audacity to attack Cheney for his remark

13 godfrey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:45:06am

re: #6 MJ

He could. No one in the MSM will call him on it.

14 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:45:11am

Everyone -

As much as I admire and respect Former Vice President Cheney, this seems a bit "OT." Otherwise he must know something few others do.

-S-

15 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:45:22am

Message to Obama from Cheney: BUCK UP OR LEAVE THE WHITE HOUSE.

16 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:45:33am

re: #6 MJ

I wonder if the Dems will have the audacity to attack Cheney for his remarks when they have Jimmy Carter who not only has criticized every President when in this country, but has given aid and comfort to the enemies of America while standing on foreign soil.

Of course they are going to attack Cheney....they're the Dems! We are just a warmongering nation who fought a false war so that we could enrich the EVIL Halliburton and get all of that oil in Iraq.

Did I miss anything?

17 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:45:37am

Most of us were fairly certain before the election that this would happen under an 0bama administration. Plenty of folks have said that the msm will just blame it on Bush anyways, but it's going to be difficult to pull that off the more 0bama overturns the Bush Doctrine. It will all be on him.

18 godfrey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:45:39am

re: #9 lawhawk

Thus Eurabia finds its legs again.

19 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:00am

Magnificent Bastard #2 speaks.

20 S'latch  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:03am

Cheney speaks truth to power.

21 phoenixgirl  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:05am

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS STILL SCARING US!/

22 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:15am

Cheney for President.

23 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:22am

re: #9 lawhawk

Memo to the US and Europeans. Restraint and negotiations to a declared, unapologetic enemy are seen as weakness to be exploited.

Edit for clarification... but we are in agreement.

24 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:25am

re: #4 Blackacre

We're fifteen days into the second Carter term.
Fasten your seat belts, folks.

Well, Rome didn't fall in a day, you know....
(o.m.g.)

25 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:32am

I am sure that when it happens, Michael Moron will bring out a film about how it was an inside job by the previous administration.

26 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:41am

re: #6 MJ

I wonder if the Dems will have the audacity to attack Cheney for his remarks when they have Jimmy Carter who not only has criticized every President when in this country, but has given aid and comfort to the enemies of America while standing on foreign soil.

They'll call him a fear monger and a racist.

27 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:47am

re: #7 alexknyc

Can someone send a copy of Neville Chamberlain's biography to the White House?


Bad idea...I have a feeling that Chamberlain is a hero to BO.

28 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:48am

Cheney's warnings will be ignored by Obama and his advisers. They hate Cheney more than they hate Bush. If Obama was smart, he would listen to this and make the proper adjustments......but, since he transcends "smart", I doubt he will.

Touchy-feely policies may make these guys feel good about themselves, but when you start thinking more about how the Europeans, the "Arab Street", or the pampered diplomats over at Turtle Bay will judge you rather than keeping the USA safe, we are opening ourselves up for a very bad surprise.

29 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:53am

I don't take Cheney's warning very seriously. It's certainly possible that we will get an attack in the next 3-4years but I think it's highly unlikely that it will be nuclear or biological.

30 WitchDoctor  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:46:55am

Hmm, ok, note to self: don't use angle brackets when quoting previous post. It should have read:

"I wonder if the Dems will have the audacity to attack Cheney for his remarks..."

Now that is an interesting comment. The dissent-is-patriotic thing will most assuredly go out the window immediately.

31 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:47:03am

Gawd. Is there really any point in trying to tell Obama not to go wobbly.

32 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:47:22am

re: #6 MJ

I wonder if the Dems will have the audacity to attack Cheney for his remarks when they have Jimmy Carter who not only has criticized every President when in this country, but has given aid and comfort to the enemies of America while standing on foreign soil.

I just did a little recon into DU, and the "YOU SHUT ABOUT ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT" rhetoric is plentiful, as you would imagine.

33 eon  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:47:28am

re: #6 MJ

I wonder if the Dems will have the audacity to attack Cheney for his remarks when they have Jimmy Carter who not only has criticized every President when in this country, but has given aid and comfort to the enemies of America while standing on foreign soil.

It won't take any audacity. I'm sure the MSM is already girding its loins to do the attacking for them.

Would that they were so ready to take on the people who want to kill us all- including them.

/ A fact they seemingly have yet to grasp.

cheers

eon

34 Lynn B.  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:47:33am

There's a reason why Dick Cheney has been singled out for special "attention" by America's enemies. The campaign of defamation and disinformation against him has been truly monumental and largely successful.

Say what you want about them, they do understand who is a threat to their agenda ... and who isn't.

35 Pooncakes, Hero of Zion  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:47:37am

It's the sort of situation where being proven right does no one any good. I hope Cheney and Biden are wrong, and stay wrong for a very, very long time.

36 bulwrk  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:47:42am

I'm glad that even though he is out of government he still plans on driving moonbats ape shit crazy.

37 prince of dorkness  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:47:57am

I'm not worried, the Flying Unicorns will protect us!

/

38 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:02am

o joy...something to really look foreward to...
and I trust Chaneys opinion...I hope he stays on the sidelines and not drop out of sight...

39 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:02am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

I don't take Cheney's warning very seriously. It's certainly possible that we will get an attack in the next 3-4years but I think it's highly unlikely that it will be nuclear or biological.

Sure... he didn't get classified reports about this stuff every day for the last 8 years.

/

40 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:04am

I miss Dick Cheney.

41 Dave the.....  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:29am

#14 Sr S.

Everyone -

As much as I admire and respect Former Vice President Cheney, this seems a bit "OT." Otherwise he must know something few others do.

My guess.....he knows what truly evil people are working on. Maybe this is a warning....as in he is trying to help....Obama.

42 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:31am

re: #14 Dr. Shalit

Not exactly. He is commenting on the ramifications of the current international strategy of the present administration. As somebody who was around the block starting in the 70s, he is a source of a historical viewpoint on them.

43 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:34am

I question the timing...

/troofer off

44 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:35am

Well, the obvious solution is to pass a comprehensive foreign aid package.

///

45 J Doc  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:47am

Dah. What do you expect when you elect a foreign policy genious like O. And then he hires another foreign policy genious, Clinton (the wrong one).

46 pat  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:58am

One thing we know for sure, Obama will not read this. The man is incapable of dealing with anything that smacks of criticism. He goes ballistic.

47 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:59am

re: #31 WriterMom

Gawd. Is there really any point in trying to tell Obama not to go wobbly.

Remember those Fisher-Price toys from years ago? Weebles? 'Weebles wobble but they don't fall down?'

48 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:48:59am

re: #26 Sharmuta

They'll call him a fear monger and a racist.

I think I may actually watch a little of MSNBC and CNN tonight just to see the hypocrisy first hand.

49 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:49:11am

re: #40 Sharmuta

I miss Dick Cheney.


Me too....

Cheney/Palin 2012

50 DaddyG  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:49:20am

Dear Mr. President,

You can appreciate a little Dick now or you can take the whole shaft later.

It's your choice.

51 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:49:33am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

I don't take Cheney's warning very seriously. It's certainly possible that we will get an attack in the next 3-4years but I think it's highly unlikely that it will be nuclear or biological.

Whew...I feel better already...

/

52 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:49:41am

This is no time for on the job training.

Asked about the greatest lesson he'd learned about the presidency from studying about Abraham Lincoln, Obama said:

"You know, when I think about Abraham Lincoln, what I'm struck by is the fact that he constantly learned on the job. He got better. You know, he wasn't defensive. He wasn't arrogant about his tasks. He was very systematic in saying, 'I'm going to master the job, and I understand it's going to take some time.' "

53 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:49:46am

re: #48 MJ

I think I may actually watch a little of MSNBC and CNN tonight just to see the hypocrisy first hand.

I'm sure Olberass will make Cheney the "Worst Person in the World" today.

54 mattm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:49:50am

Come back Cheney! I miss you!

55 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:50:26am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

I don't take Cheney's warning very seriously. It's certainly possible that we will get an attack in the next 3-4years but I think it's highly unlikely that it will be nuclear or biological.

why not?...no time like the present especially if retaliation is off the table...

56 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:50:33am

re: #52 Ford_Prefect

This is no time for on the job training.

What's worse- he's already sick of it!

57 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:50:33am

But, but he is agreeing with Biden. Shouldn't the moonbats support him?

58 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:50:36am

re: #49 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Me too....

Cheney/Palin 2012

Wow! That would set the Moonbats on fire.

59 justiceforall  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:50:41am

Cheney is a very unbiased observer who has no political motivation to make such comments.

60 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:06am

re: #46 pat

One thing we know for sure, Obama will not read this. The man is incapable of dealing with anything that smacks of criticism. He goes ballistic.

His natural temptation to score the political points by rebuking Cheney's remarks will outweigh his consideration of their merit.

61 mattm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:08am

re: #53 Desert Dog

I'm sure Olberass will make Cheney the "Worst Person in the World" today.

In my book Oberass is the worst person ever.

62 alexknyc  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:12am

re: #27 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Bad idea...I have a feeling that Chamberlain is a hero to BO.

Probably thinks Chamberlain didn't bend over enough.

63 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:25am

SNIFF SNIFF SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFF

64 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:27am

re: #40 Sharmuta

I miss Dick Cheney.

But wait! He's still here!

If Cheney’s language was dramatic, the setting for the comments was almost bizarrely pedestrian. His office is in a non-descript suburban office building in McLean, Va., in a suite that could just as easily house a dental clinic. The office is across the hall from a quick-copy store. The door is marked by nothing except a paper sign, held up by tape, saying the unit is occupied by the General Services Administration.

...

While Cheney’s words were dire, his own mood was relaxed, even loquacious. He was not on crutches — much less the wheelchair he rode to Obama’s Inauguration — from an injury while moving a box of books into his new home.

If we are hearing from him to this extent only two weeks after he left office, we may be hearing a lot more from him in the future. I hope so.

65 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:38am

re: #41 Dave the.....

#14 Sr S.


My guess.....he knows what truly evil people are working on. Maybe this is a warning....as in he is trying to help....Obama.

Maybe it's a warning....as in he is trying to help....the populace.

66 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:38am

Avanti... you posted this on the last thread. Come on over here and discuss this. I bet some folk would like to speak to you. (Don't get me fucking started)

re: #1066 avanti

He must think the election is closer and needs to instill the built-in fear of a weak left by the right. I personally blame Cheney for many of the failures of the Bush administration Now, he seems to be trying to fire up what's left of his neo-cons.

67 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:41am

re: #9 lawhawk

"We hope that this outstretched hand rolling over, exposing of the belly, and whimpering pitiably will not be seen as a sign of weakness in Teheran," he said.

68 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:44am

re: #56 Sharmuta

Gotta love the picture they used. It is the first I have seen where he does not have his snout in the air.

69 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:45am

re: #59 justiceforall

Kinda like Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter when they stepped all over official US foreign policy. Unbiased and objective observers...

70 godfrey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:45am

re: #52 Ford_Prefect

We don't have time, Barry old boy. If you can't do the job, step down in favor of someone who can. Unless you think Si, si puede! only applies to you.

71 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:51:55am

re: #59 justiceforall

Cheney is a very unbiased observer who has no political motivation to make such comments.

Jimmah Carter too, eh? No motivation there. Should we listen to him as well?

72 soxfan4life  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:52:06am

re: #41 Dave the.....

#14 Sr S.


My guess.....he knows what truly evil people are working on. Maybe this is a warning....as in he is trying to help....Obama.

Wouldn't it be great if he stiff armed Biden out of the VP office and took over for President Soetro

73 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:52:17am

Don't feed the trolls.

/just saying

74 RickatLandstuhl  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:52:36am

re: #10 MarineGrunt
Me, too!

75 Kailen  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:52:37am

...Well duh?

Is there anyone here who hasn't been worried about or predicting this?

76 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:52:55am

re: #59 justiceforall

Cheney is a very unbiased observer who has no political motivation to make such comments.

We all know you're being sarcastic, but, truth is, he really doesn't have a political bias here. His job is done. Thank you Mr. Vice President!

77 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:02am

Of course, if the MSM take any notice of it at all, it'll be viewed as sour grapes. And since the moonbats think any such attack will emanate from Cheney's own cranium, I'm afraid the warning will fall on some pretty deaf ears. My experience is, however, that Cheney is not wisely ignored.

78 notutopia  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:04am

When Chaney speaks......we should take heed. He is not the man to say he's concerned without merit.

79 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:17am

re: #64 wrenchwench

If we are hearing from him to this extent only two weeks after he left office, we may be hearing a lot more from him in the future. I hope so.

I feel flushed.

80 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:26am

re: #60 Bloodnok

His natural temptation to score the political points by rebuking Cheney's remarks will outweigh his consideration of their merit.

of course and the Mullahs know it...they are watching his every move and word just like we are...probably lurking here right now for example....the blog of truth

81 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:39am

re: #25 Shr_Nfr

I am sure that when it happens, Michael Moron will bring out a film about how it was an inside job by the previous administration.

Especially since Cheney said this. Obviously, he knew because he was planning it.
/troofer mode off

82 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:41am

re: #70 godfrey

We don't have time, Barry old boy. If you can't do the job, step down in favor of someone who can. Unless you think Si, si puede! only applies to you.

The problem is that if he steps down we get Biden.

83 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:46am

29 Killgore Trout,


I don't take Cheney's warning very seriously. It's certainly possible that we will get an attack in the next 3-4years but I think it's highly unlikely that it will be nuclear or biological.

I don't think Cheney is necessarily referring to an attack within the US.

84 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:47am

Someone on the other thread pointed out Cheney will only be 71 in 2012.

Time to start thinking about about Cheney in 2012?

85 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:50am

re: #58 Ford_Prefect

Wow! That would set the Moonbats on fire.

I love the sound of exploding heads in the morning!

86 soxfan4life  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:56am

re: #64 wrenchwench

If we are hearing from him to this extent only two weeks after he left office, we may be hearing a lot more from him in the future. I hope so.


We are not worthy.

87 fish  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:53:58am

re: #4 Blackacre

We're fifteen days into the second Carter term.
Fasten your seat belts, folks.

I hope you are right about that. Because A second Carter Term should lead to a Third and Forth Reagan Term. (Now we just need to find a good Reagan)

88 Viking6  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:54:06am

I would think that if Dick is worried with his knowledge then we better be terrified.

89 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:54:10am

re: #73 WriterMom

Don't feed the trolls.

/just saying

That's right...just remember GAZE.

90 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:54:40am

re: #78 notutopia

When Chaney speaks......we should take heed. He is not the man to say he's concerned without merit.

Former Chief of Staff, former Secretary of Defense, former Vice President.

When Dick Cheney talks- people should listen.

91 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:54:43am

re: #82 Ford_Prefect

The problem is that if he steps down we get Biden.

And if HE steps down, we get.....

92 soxfan4life  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:55:08am

re: #91 Killer Tomato

And if HE steps down, we get.....


FUCKED HARD

93 jwb7605  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:55:10am

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

Avanti... you posted this on the last thread. Come on over here and discuss this. I bet some folk would like to speak to you. (Don't get me fucking started)

I blame Cheney for some of the failures, too.
First off, the failure to get attacked again on our soil was a lot of Cheney's doing.
The failure of Bush to cave in totally to the LLL war strategy came from him.

I could go on ...

On the up side, Obama will be getting sterling advice from Plugs.

94 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:55:24am

re: #91 Killer Tomato

And if HE steps down, we get.....

San Fran Nan....it's like the morror opposite of the Holy Trinity.

95 joncelli  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:55:38am

That's it! Bush and Cheney are going to call off the election and make themselves rulers for life! I read it in Mother Jones! Uh, what...?

////

96 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:55:40am

re: #84 MJ

Someone on the other thread pointed out Cheney will only be 71 in 2012.

Time to start thinking about about Cheney in 2012?

Dick and Rudy- THAT would kick ass.

97 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:55:43am

I predict a graceless response to the tune of: "We thank the former Vice President for his concern but his is the type of thinking that the current administration is trying to avoid."

98 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:55:49am

re: #94 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

San Fran Nan....it's like the morror opposite of the Holy Trinity.

PIMF morror=mirror.

99 godfrey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:56:13am

re: #82 Ford_Prefect

Right, and then Pelosi. So we could sock away a score of them! Rack em up.

100 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:56:27am

re: #59 justiceforall

Cheney is a very unbiased observer who has no political motivation to make such comments.

You're right, JusticeforSome! We should arrest Cheney and try him in the Hague. I think a public flogging followed by a crucifixion is in order! After that, we go to Texas and get his former idiot boss. I think burning him at the stake is a more appropriate punishment for all his crimes against humanity.

Then, we can all join hands and sing the "Obama" song as our new Dear Leader guides us to Utopia! uhmmm uhmmm uhmmmmm

/frothy Moonbat mode off

101 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:56:34am

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

Avanti... you posted this on the last thread. Come on over here and discuss this. I bet some folk would like to speak to you. (Don't get me fucking started)

You mean that there is somebody on LGF that believes the Saul Alinsky bs the media pumped out? Hoo boy. Everybody is welcome to their own opinion. Well, not really unless it is blessed by CAIR and George Sorros and the MSM, but you gotta be kidding me.

102 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:56:43am

re: #94 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

San Fran Nan....it's like the morror opposite of the Holy Trinity.

I rate each of them as about a 6.

Hey! That's 666!

/

103 Racer X  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:56:56am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

I don't take Cheney's warning very seriously. It's certainly possible that we will get an attack in the next 3-4years but I think it's highly unlikely that it will be nuclear or biological.

Who has access to more secret CIA info - you or Dick Cheney?

I'm going with Cheney on this one.

104 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:57:04am

re: #96 Sharmuta

Dick and Rudy- THAT would kick ass.

indeed.....the Mullahs would stroke

105 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:57:13am

look at the simple, strong, clear words that cheney is speaking.
this is how we wake our citizens up. speak plainly. honestly.
not in ridiculous hopeychangy b.s.
the hard cold facts are going to bitch slap o's nonsensical empty platitudes.

i love cheney. he needs his own radio talk show.

106 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:57:21am

re: #97 Bloodnok

I predict a graceless response to the tune of: "We thank the former Vice President for his concern but his is the type of thinking that the current administration is trying to avoid."


Which would be answered with (at least mentally by ole Dick with a "Fuck you") and lots of snickering and finger flipping by those of us who appreciate the irony of that statement ~cough~Jimmah~cough~

107 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:57:33am

re: #55 albusteve

I'm sure Islamic terrorists are eager to test Obama but Al Qaeda is severely weakened and I just don't think they have the capability to pull off a serious attempt at a biological of nuclear attack. They have very little restraint and if they had the capability they would have already tried it somewhere. It's far more likely that they will try something similar to 9-11,7/7 or Mumbai. That seems to be the extent of their capabilities.

108 Summersong  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:57:50am

He's right. Cheney is right.

*drink*

109 notutopia  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:57:58am

re: #103 Racer X

Who has access to more secret CIA info - you or Dick Cheney?

I'm going with Cheney on this one.

Cheney has more current access to the CIA than does Obama.

110 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:58:01am

re: #98 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I would prefer horror as the correction for morror. Perhaps even Mordor would be a better spelling.

111 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:58:02am

re: #89 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The main reason there's no point in responding to jucticeforall is he's a turd dropper then runs who just wants to get us all in a bother with his BS.

Ding it down and move on, folks.

112 fredo malmstein  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:58:15am

Dr. Strangelove says Torture is the only answer.

113 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:58:29am

re: #102 Occasional Reader

I rate each of them as about a 6.

Hey! That's 666!

/


Maybe we can get Sarah Palin to invite the three of them on a moose hunt, with Dick Cheney as their guide. Heh heh.

114 Viking6  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:58:34am

In my little fantasy world I hope beyond hope that what the One is doing is similar to an old TV episode where the President allows the sale of nuclear weapons to the Iraq's (this was way before Gulf II) that don't work and then when the Mad Mullahs fire away he orders the destruction of Bagdad, Tehran etc. Oh well one can dream.....

/

115 eon  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:58:47am

re: #97 Bloodnok

I predict a graceless response to the tune of: "We thank the former Vice President for his concern but his is the type of thinking that the current administration is trying to avoid thinking."

Fixed.

/More accurate rendition of their mindset, such as it is.

cheers

eon

116 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:58:49am

I know Cheney's right...hell, even Biden predicted Obama would be "tested" early in his first term. I still think ex-VPs and Presidents ought to not criticize incumbents. I'll never forgive Carter for it, and I lost what little respect I had for Clinton for doing it, too (although Bill wasn't too blatant until the end of Bush's 8 years).

117 Racer X  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:59:08am

I thought liberals liked Dick.

118 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:59:09am

re: #84 MJ

Someone on the other thread pointed out Cheney will only be 71 in 2012.

Time to start thinking about about Cheney in 2012?

How many heart attacks has he had?

119 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:59:13am

re: #112 fredo malmstein

Dr. Strangelove says Torture is the only answer.

So we'll be forced to watch The View?

120 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:59:20am

re: #94 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

San Fran Nan....it's like the morror opposite of the Holy Trinity.

No- we'd only get pelosi if biden assumed the Presidency without nominating a replacement VP.

121 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:59:49am

re: #117 Racer X

I thought liberals liked Dick.

No- they like pussy, which is always why they act like one.

122 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:59:59am

re: #117 Racer X

I thought liberals liked Dick.


Ahahahahahahaha!

123 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:00:01am

re: #97 Bloodnok

I predict a graceless response to the tune of: "We thank the former Vice President for his concern but his is the type of thinking that the current administration is trying to avoid."

It's simply unhelpful rhetoric...

I'm sure Gibbs will be asked of this at today's briefing...

124 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:00:04am

re: #112 fredo malmstein

Dr. Strangelove says Torture is the only answer.

You don't know what torture is unless you lived under the Carter regime.

125 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:00:12am

re: #118 DeafDog

How many heart attacks has he had?

Just the one before he ripped it out and crushed it with his own hands.

126 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:00:34am

re: #112 fredo malmstein

Dr. Strangelove says Torture is the only answer.

Bite me, dickhead.

127 notutopia  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:00:40am

re: #111 Sharmuta

The main reason there's no point in responding to jucticeforall is he's a turd dropper then runs who just wants to get us all in a bother with his BS.

Ding it down and move on, folks.

I don't like turd droppers either. WE end up having to pick up after their "dropping" indiscretions.
eeew

128 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:00:56am

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just the one before he ripped it out and crushed it with his own hands.

LOL

129 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:01:13am

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

Bite me, dickhead.

Oops, I did it again.

130 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:01:22am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I'm sure Islamic terrorists are eager to test Obama but Al Qaeda is severely weakened and I just don't think they have the capability to pull off a serious attempt at a biological of nuclear attack. They have very little restraint and if they had the capability they would have already tried it somewhere. It's far more likely that they will try something similar to 9-11,7/7 or Mumbai. That seems to be the extent of their capabilities.

I don't think a "nuclear" attack in the sense of an atomic device is likely in the near-term; but a dirty bomb is a very real possibility. Biological or chemical attempts are not at all out of the question. You are correct that they've had great "success" using conventional explosives and firearms, however. They probably realize that a Mumbai-style attack would be less successful in most of the US, however, because of an armed citizenry shooting back.

Large, conventional bomb attacks are probably the most likely threat.

131 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:01:30am

re: #118 DeafDog

How many heart attacks has he had?

I dunno. Had a few myself.
He doesn't smoke unlike our current President.

132 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:01:32am

re: #109 notutopia

Cheney has more current access to the CIA than does Obama.

Given the history & track-record of the CIA(especially over the course of the last, say, 20 years), I honestly don't know if that's good or bad.

133 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:01:32am

re: #103 Racer X

Something about all those AQ guys dying of plague in Algeria gives me a nasty feeling Cheney is on to something here. We can yuck yuck it up as much as we want; They were rats anyway, etc. But please remember Syria is a non-signatory to the Chemical Weapons Treaty and had "The Scud That Was A Dud" accident in recent memory. Some of the folks that died in that accident were from other states, too.

134 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:01:56am

BBIAW

135 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:02:00am

re: #121 Sharmuta

No- they like pussy, which is always why they act like one.


!

136 Viking6  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:02:00am

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

I was laughing so hard I almost couldn't get the mouse cursor to upding you.

137 LC HOGHEAD  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:02:26am

What a GREAT time to cut $55 BILLION from the defense budget !

138 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:02:28am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I'm sure Islamic terrorists are eager to test Obama but Al Qaeda is severely weakened and I just don't think they have the capability to pull off a serious attempt at a biological of nuclear attack. They have very little restraint and if they had the capability they would have already tried it somewhere. It's far more likely that they will try something similar to 9-11,7/7 or Mumbai. That seems to be the extent of their capabilities.

I'm thinking of Iranian thugs...shooting up a hotel is chicken feed compared to some maniac with a 'device'...Iran doesnt need AQ to wreak havoc

139 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:02:32am

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Oops, I did it again.

Getting a Britney Spears "earworm" started... now that's torture.

140 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:02:37am

re: #135 Golem Akbar

Am I wrong?

141 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:02:41am

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, just the Obama all the time channel.

142 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:02:50am

re: #37 prince of dorkness

I'm not worried, the Flying Unicorns will protect us!

/

That why Iran is buying S-300s. Obama will send his flying unicorn as a gesture of good will, Iran will blow it out of the sky, and Obama will respond by cringing. We're doomed.

143 Florida Lady  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:02:50am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I'm sure Islamic terrorists are eager to test Obama but Al Qaeda is severely weakened and I just don't think they have the capability to pull off a serious attempt at a biological of nuclear attack. They have very little restraint and if they had the capability they would have already tried it somewhere. It's far more likely that they will try something similar to 9-11,7/7 or Mumbai. That seems to be the extent of their capabilities.

Under Dear Leader, I'm afraid there will be multiple opportunities for Al Qaeda to rapidly reform and strenthen. And THAT is probably high on Cheney's concern list.

He's right to feel that way.

I'm with Cheney.

144 Kaymad  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:02:59am

Normally I wouldn't agree with a President or vice President (of either party) doing this...but if Cheney is concerned enough to come out so soon, that in itself worries me.

145 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:03:16am

re: #1066 avanti


He must think the election is closer and needs to instill the built-in fear of a weak left by the right. I personally blame Cheney for many of the failures of the Bush administration Now, he seems to be trying to fire up what's left of his neo-cons.

All right, a round of Kool Aid for everybody, avanti's buying! Drink up, folks!

146 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:03:45am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

And that is the reason they had the plague accident in Algeria? Next time we may not be as lucky.

147 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:03:51am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I'm sure Islamic terrorists are eager to test Obama but Al Qaeda is severely weakened and I just don't think they have the capability to pull off a serious attempt at a biological of nuclear attack. They have very little restraint and if they had the capability they would have already tried it somewhere. It's far more likely that they will try something similar to 9-11,7/7 or Mumbai. That seems to be the extent of their capabilities.

It took a little amount of money and 19-20 guys with box cutters to destroy two skyscrapers and inflict billions of dollars of damage to our economy. It changed the USA forever. Developing a weaponized biological agent or dirty bomb is not very far fetched. It would not take much to do A LOT of damage.

That being said, I think you are right about capabilities. If they could have hit us, they would have hit us. I think we have crushed them, but not to the point of getting rid of them all together.

148 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:04:11am

re: #140 Sharmuta

Am I wrong?


I like pussy. Part of me is liberal like that, too. [shrug]

149 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:04:12am

re: #141 Shr_Nfr

No, just the Obama all the time channel.

Its a part of the new Ludovico treatment encouraging Hopey-Changeyness

150 notutopia  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:04:31am

re: #132 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Given the history & track-record of the CIA(especially over the course of the last, say, 20 years), I honestly don't know if that's good or bad.

I would say it's good to know the real CIA's strengths and weaknesses. Cheney does. Obama just believes whatever is placed in front of his face. Cheney can think for himself and discern. Obama cannot.
If Cheney says to be concerned, I'm heeding his advice.

151 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:05:00am

re: #131 MJ

I dunno. Had a few myself.
He doesn't smoke unlike our current President.


Chaney used to be a heavy smoker. He's had 4 heart attacks.

He will never be president, IMO, which makes these warning more dire. He's not posturing for a future elected office.

152 horse  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:05:06am

This type of criticism scares the dem political machine as much as anything. The reason: it is very effective. If something bad happens, it will be obvious that it is the democrat's fault; so obvious as to be easily predicted. If nothing bad happens because we stop it, then it means Obama has listened to the voices of experience and backed away somewhat from their amateur pacifist plans.

It is a no-lose proposition for the person criticizing Obama on security and defense. For the safety of the country, more politicians need to keep doing this until Obama gets the message and acts accordingly. Should something catastrophic happen while they are in charge, they will be ridden out of office on rails.

153 eon  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:05:33am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I'm sure Islamic terrorists are eager to test Obama but Al Qaeda is severely weakened and I just don't think they have the capability to pull off a serious attempt at a biological of nuclear attack. They have very little restraint and if they had the capability they would have already tried it somewhere. It's far more likely that they will try something similar to 9-11,7/7 or Mumbai. That seems to be the extent of their capabilities.

True. But if Iran succeeds in constructing a workable fission weapon, Pakistan goes full-bore Islamist, or security on Russia's tactical nuclear arsenal gets any worse, all bets are off.

The mullahs in Teheran and Pakistan's would-be rulers would be more than happy to slip UBL & Co. a spare physics package, for the pleasure of seeing a Western city go up in a flash of light while remaining theoretically innocent themselves. Especially with a POTUS who could be counted on to go legalistic and wait for "absolute proof" of wrongdoing- and then lodge a strong protest with the UN.

/Plausible deniability is their friend.

cheers

eon

154 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:05:40am

re: #112 fredo malmstein

Dr. Strangelove says Torture is the only answer.

GAZE

155 fish  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:06:04am

re: #130 Occasional Reader

I don't think a "nuclear" attack in the sense of an atomic device is likely in the near-term; but a dirty bomb is a very real possibility. Biological or chemical attempts are not at all out of the question. You are correct that they've had great "success" using conventional explosives and firearms, however. They probably realize that a Mumbai-style attack would be less successful in most of the US, however, because of an armed citizenry shooting back.

Large, conventional bomb attacks are probably the most likely threat.

How much longer can we count on the citizenry being armed?

156 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:06:06am

re: #130 Occasional Reader

They probably realize that a Mumbai-style attack would be less successful in most of the US, however, because of an armed citizenry shooting back.

That doesn't mean they won't try, and there are some locations less likely to have armed citizens prepared to fight back.

157 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:06:12am

re: #147 Desert Dog

If they could have hit us, they would have hit us.

They were under massive, constant pressure during the Bush Administration; it kept them off-balance. The question is, will that pressure be kept up? And it's not looking good in that department.

158 notutopia  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:06:16am

#112
Gaze

159 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:06:33am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I'm sure Islamic terrorists are eager to test Obama but Al Qaeda is severely weakened and I just don't think they have the capability to pull off a serious attempt at a biological of nuclear attack. They have very little restraint and if they had the capability they would have already tried it somewhere. It's far more likely that they will try something similar to 9-11,7/7 or Mumbai. That seems to be the extent of their capabilities.

I believe Cheney is sounding the alarm because he genuinely believes it.

160 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:07:00am

re: #155 fish

How much longer can we count on the citizenry being armed?

in my case forever

161 right_wing2  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:07:31am

Barack Obama- combining the foreign policy of Jimmy Carter with the domestic socialism of FDR

162 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:07:31am

re: #155 fish

How much longer can we count on the citizenry being armed?

Not very long if the fool in the White House has anything to say about it.

163 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:07:34am

On topic:

If Mr. Cheney's onto something, please don't tell me this guy's reading "My Pet Goat" to that class.

Obama escapes for a while

President Bush, Mr. Cheney, I really do miss you.

164 Viking6  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:07:45am

re: #156 Kenneth
I agree take for instance Portland Oregon or some other latte drinking paradise where men are metro and ballistic weapons are forbidden.

165 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:08:10am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

They were under massive, constant pressure during the Bush Administration; it kept them off-balance. The question is, will that pressure be kept up? And it's not looking good in that department.

I would say the pressure will be easing for our turbaned cave-dwelling friends. They will not be doing any "unclenching" of their fists either.

166 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:08:21am
167 MJ  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:08:47am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I'm sure Islamic terrorists are eager to test Obama but Al Qaeda is severely weakened and I just don't think they have the capability to pull off a serious attempt at a biological of nuclear attack. They have very little restraint and if they had the capability they would have already tried it somewhere. It's far more likely that they will try something similar to 9-11,7/7 or Mumbai. That seems to be the extent of their capabilities.

If I had to guess, I think hitting Americans overseas is more probable, especially if it's in an Arab country with decent relations with the US.
Specifically, I think American tourists in Egypt is a probable target since it would hit not only the US but hurt Mubarak as well who they've accused of being in league with both the Big and Little Satans.

168 jwb7605  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:09:32am

re: #151 DeafDog

Chaney used to be a heavy smoker. He's had 4 heart attacks.

He will never be president, IMO, which makes these warning more dire. He's not posturing for a future elected office.

That made him attractive to me (not posturing).
He never tries for any "nuance" and just speaks straight up. Another plus.

He assured everybody he was done running for office. He thought he was done running for office before Bush ran.

169 ProUSA  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:09:33am

Some one has to say these things, because the Big O and his constituents don't have a clue. They just have hope and change.

Youth is easily deceived because it is quick to hope. — Aristotle

170 Perplexed  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:09:37am

I really hope that the ONE's presidency doesn't turn out like this.

171 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:09:56am

re: #156 Kenneth

That doesn't mean they won't try, and there are some locations less likely to have armed citizens prepared to fight back.

I'm prepared to do my bit.

That said, DC would probably be a poor choice for them for a shooting-spree type attack. While we have relatively few (legal) civilian gun owners, we have LOTS of cops, both city and federal, including lots of very, very highly trained federals. Shooters in downtown DC would not get very far.

172 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:10:20am

re: #155 fish

With Holder in place now, who knows...

173 wiffersnapper  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:10:25am

But how can Iran push the WMD button with their fists so tightly clenched?

174 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:10:31am

Wouldn't it be funny if Dick Chaney (aka Darth Vader) was really BHO's (aka Luke Skywalker's) father?

175 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:10:43am

Mark Steyn on Rush again today.

:D

176 right_wing2  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:10:48am

re: #17 Sharmuta

Most of us were fairly certain before the election that this would happen under an 0bama administration. Plenty of folks have said that the msm will just blame it on Bush anyways, but it's going to be difficult to pull that off the more 0bama overturns the Bush Doctrine. It will all be on him.

I think they'll still pass the blame on to Bush (or try to) and say that any attacks were caused by resentment due to the evils of Bush and the Jooos, and even the extended hand of friendship of the Obamessiah was too little, too late. If only we'd had the sense to elect Al Gore or John Kerry, then everything would be fine.

177 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:11:08am

re: #169 ProUSA

Some one has to say these things, because the Big O and his constituents don't have a clue. They just have hope and change.

Youth is easily deceived because it is quick to hope. — Aristotle

Youth and Enthusiasm will always be defeated by Age and Experience

178 crown_of_feathers  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:11:18am

When the attack comes on American soil, I would hope to God that the American people put an end - FOREVER! - to the Democrats in government. This is a party that - in our tremendously perilous times - should never be allowed to get near the reins of power.

179 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:11:18am
180 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:11:20am

re: #166 buzzsawmonkey

And will it be in Macy's window, or Bloomingdale's?

Macy's. "Bloomingdale's" sounds too Jewish. (And Bergdorf Goodman is completely out of the question.)

181 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:11:23am

re: #171 Occasional Reader

I'm prepared to do my bit.

That said, DC would probably be a poor choice for them for a shooting-spree type attack. While we have relatively few (legal) civilian gun owners, we have LOTS of cops, both city and federal, including lots of very, very highly trained federals. Shooters in downtown DC would not get very far.

They could try a shopping mall in Omaha..... except that they're gun free zones, so I guess that wouldn't really work.

182 right_wing2  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:12:00am

re: #176 right_wing2


Forgot the sarc tags

///

183 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:12:02am

re: #174 DeafDog

Wouldn't it be funny if Dick Chaney (aka Darth Vader) was really BHO's (aka Luke Skywalker's) father?

They're distantly related, actually. Eighth cousins.

184 Steve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:12:16am

re: #173 wiffersnapper

But how can Iran push the WMD button with their fists so tightly clenched?

They will just smack it with their fist.

185 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:12:39am

re: #167 MJ

If I had to guess, I think hitting Americans overseas is more probable, especially if it's in an Arab country with decent relations with the US.
Specifically, I think American tourists in Egypt is a probable target since it would hit not only the US but hurt Mubarak as well who they've accused of being in league with both the Big and Little Satans.

El Paso would be easy enough...the entire Forida coast...they could probably get into the Great Lakes...anywhere...a small nuke is humanities worst nightmare

186 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:12:41am

re: #180 Occasional Reader

Macy's. "Bloomingdale's" sounds too Jewish. (And Bergdorf Goodman is completely out of the question.)

barney's,
the libs will love it.

187 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:12:43am

re: #176 right_wing2

I think they'll still pass the blame on to Bush (or try to) and say that any attacks were caused by resentment due to the evils of Bush and the Jooos, and even the extended hand of friendship of the Obamessiah was too little, too late. If only we'd had the sense to elect Al Gore or John Kerry, then everything would be fine.

You have captured the Liberal mindset quite well. That is exactly what will happen. Anything goes wrong, why it's "Bush's fault"! Anything goes right, well, you know why it happened.....The One has used his superior intellect and Jedi skills properly!

188 SummerSong  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:13:00am

I hope Obama will change.

189 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:13:05am

re: #178 crown_of_feathers

When the attack comes on American soil, I would hope to God that the American people put an end - FOREVER! - to the Democrats in government. This is a party that - in our tremendously perilous times - should never be allowed to get near the reins of power.

Lefty may want free stuff more than security.

190 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:14:06am

re: #189 unrealizedviewpoint

Lefty may want free stuff more than security.

that is exactly what has happened to europe.

191 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:14:15am

re: #176 right_wing2

I think they'll still pass the blame on to Bush (or try to) and say that any attacks were caused by resentment due to the evils of Bush and the Jooos, and even the extended hand of friendship of the Obamessiah was too little, too late. If only we'd had the sense to elect Al Gore or John Kerry, then everything would be fine.

Of course the msm will try to pin it on Bush. My point was it becomes increasingly difficult the more 0bama overturns the Bush Doctrine. God forbid Cheney's fears come to fruition, but if they do, we'll need to step up and make sure the msm's lame attempts to tie it to Bush fail.

192 kynna  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:14:39am

On posts about the Rush Limbaugh "I hope he fails" brouhaha, the commenters were saying ridiculous things like "he should be arrested", "he's a traitor to this country", "he should lose his show", etc...

Dissent isn't patriotic anymore. Cheney could get excoriated in the press. But he'll most likely be ignored. He is, after all, speaking the truth.

193 avanti  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:14:59am

re: #49 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Me too....

Cheney/Palin 2012

A Democrats dream ticket if I ever saw one. A neo-con and a creationist.

194 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:15:05am

re: #185 albusteve

El Paso would be easy enough...the entire Forida coast...they could probably get into the Great Lakes...anywhere...a small nuke is humanities worst nightmare

San Diego. Naval Bases, Marine Bases and a hop skip and a jump from TJ and the drug cartels.

195 soxfan4life  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:15:23am

re: #188 SummerSong

I hope Obama will change.

You know what they say about hope in one hand and shit in the other.My feeling is the one without hope in it will mostly resemble Obama's Presidency.

196 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:15:26am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

I don't take Cheney's warning very seriously. It's certainly possible that we will get an attack in the next 3-4years but I think it's highly unlikely that it will be nuclear or biological.

They gonna throw spitballs at us?

-Zell

197 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:15:31am

I'd take Cheney's warnings very seriously as well, were I living in the USA.

I somehow don't think this is about turbanned cave-dwellers now coming out of their hiding places and trying to enter your country for a 'spectacular' - it'll be an inside job, by people who have lived in the USA for may years.

Think Madrid, think London, only bigger.
I suspect the FBI cutting off contacts with CAIR points in that direction.
And don't forget that there are much larger areas in your country where those villains can train 'undercover' - they wouldn't have to travel to Pah-ke-stahn!

198 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:15:55am

re: #190 nyc redneck

that is exactly what has happened to europe.

Yes, but Europe had us covering their collective butt. Who do we have?

199 johnnyreb  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:16:39am

re: #130 Occasional Reader

I don't think a "nuclear" attack in the sense of an atomic device is likely in the near-term; but a dirty bomb is a very real possibility. Biological or chemical attempts are not at all out of the question. You are correct that they've had great "success" using conventional explosives and firearms, however. They probably realize that a Mumbai-style attack would be less successful in most of the US, however, because of an armed citizenry shooting back.

Large, conventional bomb attacks are probably the most likely threat.

I disagree. NYC of San Fran and some of the larger midwest citites like Chicago would be perfect for that sort of attack. There are extremely few gun owners in those places.

200 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:16:49am

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

San Diego. Naval Bases, Marine Bases and a hop skip and a jump from TJ and the drug cartels.

yup Mexico is a nice entry point...they could even shoot their way up the backroads to ABQ

201 Viking6  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:16:54am

re: #167 MJ

While I agree that US citizens overseas are a "softer" target the unfortunate issue is that the distance lessens the impact felt here at home. Think about all of the horrible espisodes where US citizens and military have been killed overseas in terror attacks and what the resulting feelings have been here, IMHO neither strong nor long lasting. Even 9-11 has been slipping from the thoughts of many Americans.

From the other side I would think that terroristic action inside the great Satan would garner greater good for the Mullahs in terms of shoreing up any sagging morale issues.

202 Racer X  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:17:38am

re: #161 right_wing2

Barack Obama- combining the foreign policy of Jimmy Carter with the domestic socialism of FDR

Oh.
Shit.

203 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:18:05am

re: #198 Killer Tomato

Yes, but Europe had us covering their collective butt. Who do we have?

people like us, fighting to keep it from happening.

204 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:18:14am
205 VegasRick  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:18:17am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

GAZE

"fredo", good name for that one.

206 Dave the.....  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:18:30am

OR

They were under massive, constant pressure during the Bush Administration; it kept them off-balance. The question is, will that pressure be kept up? And it's not looking good in that department.

Correct. it's hard to organize a massive offensive when you are hiding out in caves, have to constantly having to change your communication methods, can't move money easily. Have rewards out on you. etc.

Aggressive harassing can be as effective as a massive attack.

207 DaddyG  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:19:48am

re: #112 fredo malmstein

Dr. Strangelove says Torture is the only answer.

*sigh* - Looks like someone lost their "job" at the local coffee shop and is looking to break into rhetorical shoe throwing.

208 kynna  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:19:48am

re: #191 Sharmuta

Of course the msm will try to pin it on Bush. My point was it becomes increasingly difficult the more 0bama overturns the Bush Doctrine. God forbid Cheney's fears come to fruition, but if they do, we'll need to step up and make sure the msm's lame attempts to tie it to Bush fail.

They love to say that Clinton was in no way responsible for 9/11 because Bush was president. They will throw thinking people's disagreement with that in our faces with Obama. But the fact of the matter is, the only blame Bush can be given for 9/11 was in not overturning Clinton's dangerous policies. Once the Bush policies were implemented we were much, MUCH safer.

Obama is overturning the policies that would have kept 9/11 from happening and re-implementing the same policies that aided and abetted that atrocity. People will need to know and understand the difference.

209 Prince of Dorkness  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:19:58am

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

...but, but the Flying Unicorns will have cute, fluffy bunnies and butterflies riding riding in carbon nuetral, organic sleighs borrowed from Santa! Surely the peace loving Iranians will unclench their fists and embrace the NEW Obama States of America?

210 AuntAcid  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:20:27am

In the WOE we ululate in their direction.

211 RickatLandstuhl  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:20:53am

I have always found Chief of Staff/SECDEF/VPOTUS Cheney's calm straight forward speech somewhat comforting. Just the facts without all the excitement.

212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:20:58am

Mark Steyn on Rush having a grand old time with the infantile Obama foreign policy.

213 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:21:09am

re: #180 Occasional Reader

Macy's. "Bloomingdale's" sounds too Jewish. (And Bergdorf Goodman is completely out of the question.)

Yet another reason for me to avoid them.

214 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:21:50am

It does not matter so much that AQ higher-ups in Pakistan have been getting hammered lately. An attack in the US could as likely be carried out by AQ wannabes or jihadi posers, Hamas or Hezbollah cells or some other group. This is a decentralized networked jihad.

215 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:21:57am

As somebody said downstairs, we're not fucked but you can see it from here.

216 Basho  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:22:13am
Protecting the country’s security is “a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business,” Cheney said. “These are evil people. And we’re not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek. Rather, wars are won by draft dodging.”
217 jorline  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:22:24am

Holy crap!

Monster Snake Slithered at 43 Feet Long

A colossal snake about the length of a school bus slithered about South America's rainforests some 60 million years ago, according to an analysis of the skeletal remains of what is now considered the largest snake ever identified.

218 formercorpsman  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:22:56am

re: #193 avanti

OBS

219 Salamantis  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:23:33am

re: #112 fredo malmstein

Dr. Strangelove says Torture is the only answer.

Well, waterboarding Khalid Shaykh Muhammed sure as hell saved the lives of thousands of innocents.

220 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:23:54am

hunger in Russia...they have found the remedy


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

221 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:23:59am

re: #174 DeafDog

Wouldn't it be funny if Dick Chaney (aka Darth Vader) was really BHO's (aka Luke Skywalker's) father?

Which would make "Plugs" Biden Chewbacca, and Gibbs Jar-Jar! It all makes sense now! (Actually, Jar-Jar was a better public speaker than this Gibbs clown).

222 akak  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:24:37am

re: #214 Kenneth

It does not matter so much that AQ higher-ups in Pakistan have been getting hammered lately. An attack in the US could as likely be carried out by AQ wannabes or jihadi posers, Hamas or Hezbollah cells or some other group. This is a decentralized networked jihad.

AQ decimated, ok yep uh huh well then that's call this rigamoral off then

223 albusteve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:24:42am

re: #214 Kenneth

It does not matter so much that AQ higher-ups in Pakistan have been getting hammered lately. An attack in the US could as likely be carried out by AQ wannabes or jihadi posers, Hamas or Hezbollah cells or some other group. This is a decentralized networked jihad.

correct...the will of Allah is strong

224 mean Gene  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:25:06am

I think too many 0bama-types look at American deaths due to terror attacks from an actuarial standpoint.
It is unlikely to hit them personally so they just don't care.....kind of like snakebite deaths or lightning strike deaths.
It is too bad that we will probably have to be hit at least once more for them to be ''mugged'' into reality, but they were slow learners or they wouldn't have voted 0bama in the first place.

225 AuntAcid  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:25:36am

re: #215 Who Watches the Watchmen?

As somebody said downstairs, we're not fucked but you can see it from here.

So we have two choices - laying down or standing up.

226 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:26:03am

re: #217 jorline

Holy crap!

Monster Snake Slithered at 43 Feet Long

"Get this muthafukkin' snake off my muthafukkin' bus!"
/Samuel L. Jackson, Snakes on a Bus

227 Kragar  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:26:42am

re: #217 jorline

Holy crap!

Monster Snake Slithered at 43 Feet Long

Did they find any apples nearby?

/Discovery Institute mode

228 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:27:05am

re: #205 VegasRick

"fredo", good name for that one.

Fredo was weak & stupid.

229 realwest  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:28:11am

re: #180 Occasional Reader
I suspect you've gone off-thread, but I posted #1086 to you on the DT - took a long time to compose and there are typos and spelling errors galore, but the basic facts are correct.
When you get a chance to read it, I'd appreciate your feedback.

230 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:28:27am

re: #228 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Fredo was weak & stupid.

Hail Mary full of *BANG*

231 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:28:45am

re: #193 avanti

A Democrats dream ticket if I ever saw one. A neo-con and a creationist.

Obama/Biden 2008 ... an Iranian dream ticket if I ever heard of one.

232 Salamantis  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:29:08am

The four words I hope I never have to hear Dick Cheney say (but fear that I will):

I Told You So.

233 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:29:29am

Does anyone know why there is a "massive" pro-union rally in Washington?

234 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:30:04am

re: #232 Salamantis

They'll say it's Bush's fault. Believe.

235 right_wing2  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:30:10am

re: #233 Bumr50

Does anyone know why there is a "massive" pro-union rally in Washington?

Build support for the 'check card' bill?

236 avanti  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:30:26am

re: #167 MJ

If I had to guess, I think hitting Americans overseas is more probable, especially if it's in an Arab country with decent relations with the US.
Specifically, I think American tourists in Egypt is a probable target since it would hit not only the US but hurt Mubarak as well who they've accused of being in league with both the Big and Little Satans.

Yep, there is no dispute that AQ is weaker and in disarray after the hammering by the Bush administration. I agree that smaller attacks are far more likely then the type Cheney suggests..

237 jorline  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:31:01am

re: #226 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Get this muthafukkin' snake off my muthafukkin' bus!"
/Samuel L. Jackson, Snakes on a Bus

lmao...I hate snakes!

238 jwb7605  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:31:11am

BBL

239 Steve  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:31:35am

re: #196 debutaunt

They gonna throw spitballs at us?

-Zell

I am leaning toward battlefield nuke.

240 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:31:49am

re: #228 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Fredo was weak & stupid.

"...can't you forgive Fredo -- he's so sweet and helpless without you"
*sniff, sniff*

241 jorline  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:31:50am

re: #227 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did they find any apples nearby?

/Discovery Institute mode

No, but I bet Adam and Eve looked tasty.

242 Throbert McGee  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:32:05am

re: #95 joncelli

That's it! Bush and Cheney are going to call off the election and make themselves rulers for life! I read it in Mother Jones! Uh, what...?

And Bushcheneyburton would've gotten away with it, too, if not for the heroic efforts of American progressives armed with nothing but courage and giant papier-mache skeleton puppets...

243 jcm  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:32:38am

“It is weakness rather than wickedness which renders men unfit to be trusted with unlimited power”
John Adams.

244 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:33:19am

re: #242 Throbert McGee

And Bushcheneyburton would've gotten away with it, too, if not for the heroic efforts of American progressives armed with nothing but courage and giant papier-mache skeleton puppets...

Don't forget the Giant Duck of Peace! Just Poop!

245 Throbert McGee  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:33:36am

re: #228 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Fredo was weak & stupid.

"Fredo, of the nine fingers... and the Ring of Doooom"

246 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:33:50am

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

Bite me, dickhead.

Gentlemen, There is no fighting in the war room!

247 rightside  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:33:55am

re: #242 Throbert McGee

I gotta say, that rooster flag you had before was freakin' hilarious!

248 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:34:20am

re: #236 avanti

Smaller attacks are more likely, but a big attack is still possible. It's not for lack of trying that there hasn't been an attack. And it's not just Cheney who has said a WMD atack on the US is likely. It is idiocy in the extreme to dismiss such a warning just because you don't like Cheney.

249 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:35:27am

A Brooklyn-based splodeydope in the subway at rush hour seems like a definite possibility.

250 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:35:44am

re: #242 Throbert McGee

And Bushcheneyburton would've gotten away with it, too, if not for the heroic efforts of American progressives armed with nothing but courage and giant papier-mache skeleton puppets...

...and signs saying "JUST POOP!" speaking truth to power.

251 akak  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36:10am

re: #236 avanti

Yep, there is no dispute that AQ is weaker and in disarray after the hammering by the Bush administration. I agree that smaller attacks are far more likely then the type Cheney suggests..

because you would have access to much better info.

252 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36:46am

re: #249 Who Watches the Watchmen?

A Brooklyn-based splodeydope in the subway at rush hour seems like a definite possibility.

Good point. Reminds me of the London tube and Japanese subway attacks. Real possibility.

253 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:37:29am

re: #252 subsailor68

and Madrid.

254 rightside  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:37:42am

Dirty bomb at most seaports too.

255 akak  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:38:00am

re: #253 Kenneth

and Madrid.


Bali

256 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:38:02am

re: #253 Kenneth

and Madrid.

Yep!

257 akak  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:38:58am

re: #254 rightside

Dirty bomb at most seaports too.

Are they doing the offshore scans now? Huge project!

258 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:39:39am

re: #255 akak

Bali wasn't a subway attack, but yes, a disco would be a likely target. But then again, don't underestimate the evil we are dealing with. Another "Beslan" is just as likely.

259 akak  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:41:56am

re: #258 Kenneth

Bali wasn't a subway attack, but yes, a disco would be a likely target. But then again, don't underestimate the evil we are dealing with. Another "Beslan" is just as likely.


I never underestimate them, invest in goats - they are in demand.

260 Obsidiandog  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:45:52am

re: #199 johnnyreb

I disagree. NYC of San Fran and some of the larger midwest citites like Chicago would be perfect for that sort of attack. There are extremely few gun owners in those places.


While Mayor Daley is clinging to his beloved handgun ban, Chicago and it's surrounding environs are awash in firearms. I'm not sure how that would deter a terrorist attack however.

261 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:46:56am

re: #258 Kenneth

Bali wasn't a subway attack, but yes, a disco would be a likely target. But then again, don't underestimate the evil we are dealing with. Another "Beslan" is just as likely.

We could even had a coordinated bunch of little attacks at places people congregate such as malls, grocery stores, etc.

Or attack a number of gas stations across the country at the same time. Look at the havoc two Islamic assholes caused doing that in the DC area with a rifle.

The repeated outbreaks of biologically contaminated foods lately are a near blueprint for AQ to do some real damage if done near simultaneous. The scare would do more than the actual outbreaks.

262 Optimizer  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:52:30am

re: #7 alexknyc

Can someone send a copy of Neville Chamberlain's biography to the White House?

If only that would help.

263 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:54:10am

re: #7 alexknyc

Can someone send a copy of Neville Chamberlain's biography to the White House?

You think Barry lost his copy?

264 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:55:56am

Hey - at least someone's doing something proactive... H.R. 645... Establishment of National Emergency Centers on military installations; preferably ones that have closed.
(should I be reaching for my tinfoil hat?)

265 Optimizer  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:57:16am

re: #9 lawhawk

He's worried and with good reason. Europeans are pushing the US to open talks with Iran.


It's faith based negotiations. They're hoping that the US gestures aren't seen as weakness.

Memo to the US and Europeans. Restraint and negotiations are seen as weakness to be exploited. It will be seen as weakness, and Iran will further accelerate its plans knowing that Obama and the Europeans are not going to do anything. By the time the US and Europeans realize that they have to act, it will be too late (and that tipping point may have already passed).

1) It's ironic that these guys desperate for negotiation with Iran apparently don't listen to a damn thing Iran has to say.

2) Is it just me, or does Hillary seem like a zombie (not like OUR zombie, mind you!) when she makes public statements as Sec State? She seems out of her depth.

266 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:58:18am

re: #90 Sharmuta

Former Chief of Staff, former Secretary of Defense, former Vice President.

When Dick Cheney talks- people should listen.

Also a former Congressman. The man's resume puts 0bama to shame.

267 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:58:52am

re: #265 Optimizer

1) It's ironic that these guys desperate for negotiation with Iran apparently don't listen to a damn thing Iran has to say.

2) Is it just me, or does Hillary seem like a zombie (not like OUR zombie, mind you!) when she makes public statements as Sec State? She seems out of her depth.

I think that's just Hillary's version of "gravitas".

268 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:01:30am
269 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:01:58am

Goes back to that generalized anxiety I've had for years. A plot like 9/11/01 involved a great deal of communication, financing (although it was done on the cheap, to be sure), and, in general, these guys left a trail.

Why haven't we seen more "spontaneous jihad syndrome" stuff? Can we really believe that there's not at least one would-be holy warrior here with access to the nasty stuff (hell, he could work in a jeweler's shop and get enough of one particular substance to wreak real havoc) and the will to use it?

I know much credit has to go to our domestic security apparatus, but really, what are these guys waiting for? I don't want an attack (who does?) but I'm puzzled that we haven't seen anything along these lines for a while. Sure, there'll be the odd case (reported discretely, and then never mentioned again) of a foreign-born fellow found with a bunch of poison and a story that just doesn't hang together, but, in general, it's like they're all waiting for something.

270 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:02:38am

re: #266 Sharmuta

Also a former Congressman. The man's resume puts 0bama to shame.

Hell, my resume puts Barry's to shame, and I'm just a 9 to fiver.

271 martinleaf  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:04:51am

When the Captain can no longer protect the ship, crew and passengers, he gives the command: "Every man for himself". At what point will that command be given for Americans ?

272 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:06:33am

re: #271 martinleaf

When the Captain can no longer protect the ship, crew and passengers, he gives the command: "Every man for himself". At what point will that command be given for Americans ?

I suspect that most of the passengers and crew on this ship figured it out on their own when they saw the new Captain at the helm.

273 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:06:58am

re: #12 WitchDoctor

>.I wonder if the Dems will have the audacity to attack Cheney for his remark

Count on it.

274 martinleaf  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:07:12am

re: #263 Guanxi88


Chamberlain actually became a Hawk.

275 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:08:24am

re: #274 martinleaf

Chamberlain actually became a Hawk.

A wee bit too late eh?

276 Optimizer  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:08:25am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

I don't take Cheney's warning very seriously. It's certainly possible that we will get an attack in the next 3-4years but I think it's highly unlikely that it will be nuclear or biological.

So you're money is on chemical. I feel much better.

No offense, but Cheney WAS in a position to know not only what kind of threats have been twarted in the last 7 years, but also what within our intelligence/national security community was effective in detecting and eliminating those threats.

He may well be speaking from experience - that event A almost happened, except that we had policy B in place. And that policy B has now been reversed. That being said, OTOH, he could still have some political motivation in saying what he has. It's hard to judge, since he has basically retired from political life, hasn't he?

277 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:09:24am

re: #274 martinleaf

Chamberlain actually became a Hawk.

Yes, it's certainly very easy to recognize when you've screwed things up; the trick is not to screw them up in the first place. No one ever accused Chamberlain of being consistently a pacifist; the problem was, he was consistently naive.

278 rockman  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:09:57am

It's a shame to lose all of Cheney's accumulated knowledge and his good judgment as VP and have it replaced with the likes of an ass-clown like Joe Biden.

279 Optimizer  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:12:13am

re: #45 J Doc

Dah. What do you expect when you elect a foreign policy genious like O. And then he hires another foreign policy genious, Clinton (the wrong one).

Not to disagree, but (since we're on the subject of geniuses) it's "genius" ....

;-)

280 soxfan4life  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:12:23am

re: #278 rockman

It's a shame to lose all of Cheney's accumulated knowledge and his good judgment as VP and have it replaced with the likes of an ass-clown like Joe Biden.

being kinda harsh to ass-clowns aren't ya?

281 Optimizer  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:16:56am

re: #280 soxfan4life

being kinda harsh to ass-clowns aren't ya?

Actually, I was having this bizarre sort of daydream about looking up "ass-clown" in the dictionary, and seeing Biden's picture there. He seems the perfect definition of "ass-clown", to me, and no other word seems to describe Biden quite as well.

282 Picayune  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:17:35am

Politico's John Simon was just interviewed on Fox News on the Dick Cheney visit - and gave a good report.

From Cheney's interview: "Suddenly a man of leisure, Cheney has a Kindle, Amazon’s wireless reading device, and said he used it recently to read James M. McPherson’s new “Tried by War: Abraham Lincoln as Commander in Chief.”

Dick should recommend this book to his distant relative, DuhBama, as O has recently claimed to be channeling Lincoln for help on adjusting to POTUS.

More to come from Dick:

"Not content to wait for a historical verdict, Cheney said he is set to plunge into his own memoirs, feeling liberated to describe behind-the-scenes roles over several decades in government now that the “statute of limitations has expired” on many of the most sensitive episodes.

Plunge away Dick, and before the next attack. I can't wait to learn about his perspective ( a most singular one since 1974) on these "most sensitive episodes."

Axelrod should pay him for these gems of knowledge for the new One, still very wet behind the ears, and now inviting trouble via diplomacy. Will Not Happen, though.

Ignore Dick Cheney at your own peril.

283 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:33:27am

re: #268 paybacktime

Hey asshole, do you read the rules around here...

Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.

Bye...

284 natbumpo  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:33:30am

It is supremely depressing that the brilliant (yes, I said BRILLIANT) strategy and defiance of the cowards at home by Bush, Cheney, et al, will only become realized by the general populace when more dead American's line the streets of a US city and the abject failure of the Obama Doctrine (bend over and ask for another) is exposed.

285 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:37:28am

re: #268 paybacktime

Dipshit. We can't just nuke a random city, because the ones attacking us could come from anywhere.

286 Ceemack  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:41:10am

A grownup speaks.

287 foxsecret  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:47:12am

I guess we will have re-institute "Burt the turtle's" drill "Duck and Cover" because were gonna need a lot of practice.

288 avanti  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:52:36am

re: #285 Cato the Elder

Dipshit. We can't just nuke a random city, because the ones attacking us could come from anywhere.

Thanks for that delete Charles.

289 DaChew  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:55:54am

I wish Cheney wouldn't do this. Until the Littlest President, Jimmy Carter, came along, it was generally traditional that former Presidents and VPs didn't go around criticizing the current Pres.. I know that Jimmy does it all the time and Bill hasn't been exactly silent but they're Democrats and Democrats have no class. Somebody has to set an example of poise and statesmanship.

290 LauraO  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:01:47am

Remember when Joe Biden said that Obama's presidency would be tested 6 weeks in? What did that mean?

291 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:07:04am

re: #193 avanti

A Democrats dream ticket if I ever saw one. A neo-con and a creationist.

While it's true Palin is a creationist, Cheney is not a neo-con. He's old school.

292 ladycatnip  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:17:42am

Can we call this a flying pig moment? Cheney and Biden agree on something.

293 paybacktime  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:33:40am

283 Walter Newton and 286 Cato the Elder,

Excuse me but I support the US military and hope that President Obama will be as judicious in the use of the full power of the US military as President Bush was.

Any country that threatens the US or its allies with genocide should be reminded that the US is willing and capable of responding, disproportionately if necessary, to any attack on the US or its allies.

294 ladycatnip  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:38:48am

Here's a shocker:The San Francisco Examiner wrote a scathing piece on the O, and the comments are all negative for the One.

It's only been a matter of weeks and his followers are jumping ship. What a surprise!

295 Suzette  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:40:36am

re: #7 alexknyc

Can someone send a copy of Neville Chamberlain's biography to the White House?

Wrong book to send to the White House .... as someone said before it will only give them ideas.
How about this book "House to House"

296 PayBackTime  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:43:13am

re: #285 Cato the Elder

Dipshit. We can't just nuke a random city, because the ones attacking us could come from anywhere.

Anywhere? How likely is it that an attack would come from Canada, UK, Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy, Japan?

How likely that an attack would come from the Islamofascist Regime of iran?

297 SalsaNChips  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:20:09pm

Time to stock up on water, canned goods, meds and ammo. Get your Bug Out Bag (BOB) in order. Plan your escape routes. Review basic survival skills.

Not kidding. One or two well placed WMDs is all it would take. SHTF.

If it's gonna happen, it'll be on Obamas watch.

298 notutopia  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:45:16pm

Cheney says, Protecting the country’s security is “a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business,”. “These are evil people. And we’re not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek.”

And, Not by imploring to others to unclench fists or extending hands outs to Iran, Pakistan, North Korea or Mexican cartels, or any other country who wants to see the USA destroyed.
Wake up American politicians, we're under scrutiny here and you are getting ready to allow evil madness to prevail.

299 EvilDave3  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:45:53pm

Yes, I too expect bad things to happen during Barak Carter's watch.

I have already prepared my response to my Democrat friends lament once NYC or DC gets hit by terrorists.

"Cheer up. Just think how happy you would have been if this had happened when George Bush was President."

I expect to lose that friend, but it'll be worth it.

300 Stonemason  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:46:03pm

re: #193 avanti

Had to ding ya for that one. Please, we all know that the Neo-con crap is bull and that Palin is not a creationist.

301 EvilDave3  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:52:46pm

re: #291 Sharmuta
While it's true Palin is a creationist
The irritating thing is that there are 2 types of creationists and no one is ever very clear as to which type they mean.
And the first type get smeared with an inaccurate label because of the 2nd type.

(a) The type that believes God created the world but is silent on "how"
This includes every true Christian and religious Jew (vs ethnic Jew).
This view is also not incompatible with evolution as Genesis rattles off creation in (little detail and) about the same order as evolution requires.

(b) The second type that refuses to believe in evolution, and takes a literal 7 day approach.


The 1st type is every Christian. The second kind is a real PITA.
And I say all of this as a confirmed agnostic.

302 JimV  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 12:56:20pm

Why do I have images of The Messiah standing in the rubble of DC saying "I screwed up"?

303 mistergs  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:10:45pm
It's the sort of situation where being proven right does no one any good. I hope Cheney and Biden are wrong, and stay wrong for a very, very long time.

I agree that I would love to see them wrong on this, but that's why they call it "Hopey change". I hope none of my fellow Americans get murdered in large numbers too, but the idea that the people in charge have hope out of the holster and ready to fire is not very reassuring.

304 Code Red 21  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:27:34pm

I say let the shit hit the fan I'm tired of waiting for whatever is going to rain down on us. I'm so damn stressed out I eat constantly and am getting fatter everyday. Thank God I quit smoking or my house would look like it's on fire because I would be chain smoking. Seriously I pray nothing happens to our country and that a grown-up who recognizes the danger we are in gives the messiah advice that he will listen to.

305 bongoman  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:41:14pm

So Cheney sticks his head up to spread fear again.

Does this man have any credibility? He should be on trial.

306 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:50:26pm

re: #289 DaChew

I wish Cheney wouldn't do this. Until the Littlest President, Jimmy Carter, came along, it was generally traditional that former Presidents and VPs didn't go around criticizing the current Pres.. I know that Jimmy does it all the time and Bill hasn't been exactly silent but they're Democrats and Democrats have no class. Somebody has to set an example of poise and statesmanship.

I gotta stay with VP Cheney on this one. No way he says this unless he is thoroughly convinced it needs to be said. Something's going on.

307 paybacktime  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 2:28:50pm

re: #305 bongoman

So Cheney sticks his head up to spread fear again.

Does this man have any credibility? He should be on trial.


bongomoron, you should kiss Vice President Cheney's ass for saving YOUR ass.

308 ryannon  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 2:59:19pm

re: #305 bongoman

So Cheney sticks his head up to spread fear again.
Does this man have any credibility? He should be on trial.

Put down that bong, man.

309 ryannon  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:00:30pm

LGF is certainly a troll-rich target this evening....

310 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:17:56pm

Trolls hate George W. Bush, but it's Cheney who really makes their brains bubble.

311 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:18:51pm

re: #305 bongoman

So Cheney sticks his head up to spread fear again.

So bongoman sticks his head up again to spread stupidity.

Does this man have any credibility? He should be on trial.

When I want to get the straight word on someone's credibility, I always listen to people named 'bongoman'.

312 Lynn B.  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:45:15pm

re: #305 bongoman

So Cheney sticks his head up to spread fear again.

Does this man have any credibility? He should be on trial.

{glug ... glug}

Would you like fries with that Kool-Aid?

/slow down, son ... that stuff'll mess you up.

313 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 3:45:31pm

I am so glad that during the Bush/Cheney years, the Veep never "unclenched his fist."

314 bongoman  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 4:04:34pm
you should kiss Vice President Cheney's ass for saving YOUR ass.

Yeah, right. Dick Cheney's my daddy and gonna save me from the big bad bogeyman.

315 bongoman  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 5:01:55pm
No way he says this unless he is thoroughly convinced it needs to be said. Something's going on.

Let's waterboard him and find out...

316 Militant-Infidel  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 6:44:25pm

re: #289 DaChew

I wish Cheney wouldn't do this. Until the Littlest President, Jimmy Carter, came along, it was generally traditional that former Presidents and VPs didn't go around criticizing the current Pres.. I know that Jimmy does it all the time and Bill hasn't been exactly silent but they're Democrats and Democrats have no class. Somebody has to set an example of poise and statesmanship.

The big difference is that Clinton and especially Carter, were (how should I say it) fond of the spotlight. Cheney doesn't strike me as the kind of man who likes to revel in their past glory. This was a message, and not an attempt to be "relevant". I suspect he would be quite happy to go into the sunset quietly, as opposed to some of our previous chief (and vice chief i.e. Gore) executives. He is deeply concerned, and it isn't about our perception of him nor his ego.

MI

317 Macker  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:12:28pm

re: #226 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Get this muthafukkin' snake off my muthafukkin' bus!"
/Samuel L. Jackson, Snakes on a Bus

And there's also Snakes on a Starship....

318 UncleSam  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:27:34pm

I wish the ghosts of Winston Churchill and Neville Chamberlain could appear to appear to Obama and give him a swift kick in the ass.

319 UncleSam  Wed, Feb 4, 2009 10:29:36pm

Whops. Delete one of those "appear to's."
That's what I get for watching TV while typing.

320 DaChew  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:04:01am

re: #316 Militant-Infidel

The big difference is that Clinton and especially Carter, were (how should I say it) fond of the spotlight. Cheney doesn't strike me as the kind of man who likes to revel in their past glory. This was a message, and not an attempt to be "relevant". I suspect he would be quite happy to go into the sunset quietly, as opposed to some of our previous chief (and vice chief i.e. Gore) executives. He is deeply concerned, and it isn't about our perception of him nor his ego.

MI

I think actually there's a two fold strategy here. If Cheney merely wanted to issue a warning to the administration, he could've done that without using the press. It's not like he couldn't pick up the phone and call Joe Biden about his concerns. No, I think there's a public aspect to this for a very good reason: Remember how Dems and leftists and truthers seized on that one, vague, slide in a presentation that said that Al Qaida was planning something and waived it around as evidence that Bush was warned about 9/11 months beforehand? I think that's partially what this is. This is the answer to the "Bush knew" crowd. This is how you make the history narrative hard to twist.

321 Ron Shaw  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:07:28am

"Protecting the country’s security is “a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business,” he said. “These are evil people. And we’re not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek.”

Damned right!

Evidently, the POTUS plans to embrace them with the hope and change thingy or more appropriately with the vision that we change into them...'Yes, we can' give them a stimulus package of new greenbacks in the process. Everybody loves money and our prez knows it not only takes money to blow some people and crap up but some manpower, too...like the Gitmo detainees soon to be sprung.

322 Militant-Infidel  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:44:14am

re: #320 DaChew

I think actually there's a two fold strategy here. If Cheney merely wanted to issue a warning to the administration, he could've done that without using the press. It's not like he couldn't pick up the phone and call Joe Biden about his concerns. No, I think there's a public aspect to this for a very good reason: Remember how Dems and leftists and truthers seized on that one, vague, slide in a presentation that said that Al Qaida was planning something and waived it around as evidence that Bush was warned about 9/11 months beforehand? I think that's partially what this is. This is the answer to the "Bush knew" crowd. This is how you make the history narrative hard to twist.

I don't necessarily disagree with your final point. However, the message wasn't intended for the administration (they won't listen anyway, it's an ego thing), it was intended for us to be prepared. Granted, he was preaching to the choir on that one, but it still needed to be said.

I also don't believe Cheney is the type of man who would take Pyrrhic pleasure in being able to say "I told you so". He is driven by results, not feelings. He does not think with his glands, something he is obviously concerned about with the current administration, although he politely referred to it as "campaign rhetoric".

MI

323 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:26:41am

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