New thread goodness!

Who is John Jones. He is my kind of Republican.

Howard Ahmanson, one of the first donors to the Discovery Institute, was a member of the Christian Reconstructionist movement.

Awfully Quiet tonight. Where are all the lizards and trolls. Come out come out whereever you are.

Fresh thread smell. How wonderful.

But they would have to learn what science is in order to make arguments with scientific merit, and if they understood science they would not be ID advocates. ID supporters do not comprehend the difference between hypothesis testing and theory construction, and their ultimate argument is inevitably, "if I can't understand how it happened, then it must not have happened."

re: #2 NoWhereAlaska

John E. Jones III

If you lined up all the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough to try to pass them, five or six at a time, on a hill, in the fog

We bopped them about 6 threads back.

On the head. Dead.

Check out the Ben Stein thread for all the gory troll remains.

re: #7 Sharmuta
Thanks. I knew I liked that guy for some reason.

Would appreciate people's opinion on this:

[Link: www.google.com...]

Is it just me, or does it seem like Google is trying to promote a liberal agenda? This is supposed to be a contest for kids... I wonder how many kids worry about universal healthcare.

What do you think? Is it innocuous? Or is Google trying to send a message with this?

P.S. It's linked off of the main google web page, too.

That was the lamest of all lame attempts to introduce ID ever. If ID were all about scientific truth, it would be adequately represented by its scientific output. Given its scientific output...Sorta a no-brainer.

Good night every one!

Compass International

Their conferences on "Steeling the Mind" are not only anti-evolution, but promote re-establishing America as a Christian fundamentalist nation.

re: #11 Keyboard

Would appreciate people's opinion on this:

[Link: www.google.com...]

Is it just me, or does it seem like Google is trying to promote a liberal agenda? This is supposed to be a contest for kids... I wonder how many kids worry about universal healthcare.

What do you think? Is it innocuous? Or is Google trying to send a message with this?

It's no secret Google leans left. I don't think it's you. They may not be trying to send a message as much as they are simply exposing their political viewpoint.

re: #11 Keyboard

Is it just me, or does it seem like Google is trying to promote a liberal agenda?

This is nothing new

re: #13 Hhar

That was the lamest of all lame attempts to introduce ID ever. If ID were all about scientific truth, it would be adequately represented by its scientific output. Given its scientific output...Sorta a no-brainer.

have there ever been any NONlame attempts to introduce ID ito public high school science class? Even when they enjoy a modicum of success, it is only because they are employing lame people.

If you'd like to learn more about the Dover trial, in which Judge Jones presided, check out Monkey Girl.

Anybody see the bit about Bill Gates and the mosquitos?

Bill Gates releases mosquitos into audience

Just a thought. Now that Obama is retreading most of the Clinton Admin officials into his Admin, how long do you think it will be before Monica is once again an intern?

re: #13 Hhar

That was the lamest of all lame attempts to introduce ID ever. If ID were all about scientific truth, it would be adequately represented by its scientific output. Given its scientific output...Sorta a no-brainer.

Do you act as a collection bag of bad karma?

re: #20 capitalist piglet

Anybody see the bit about Bill Gates and the mosquitos?

Bill Gates releases mosquitos into audience

"Bill Gates just released mosquitos into the audience at TED and said, 'Not only poor people should experience this.'"

You mean where Bill Gates lives, mosquitoes check your bank statements before they bite?

re: #21 Dublin(CA)Dude

Just a thought. Now that Obama is retreading most of the Clinton Admin officials into his Admin, how long do you think it will be before Monica is once again an intern?

Michelle would crush her like a mosquito.

re: #18 Salamantis

Got your ID vs Evo boxing gloves on?

re: #24 dentate

Michelle would crush her like a mosquito.

Then why not nominate her of HHS secretary, she's got to be as qualified as Daschle. And she has on the job experience, vis a vis STD's.

pimf
of=for

re: #20 capitalist piglet

Anybody see the bit about Bill Gates and the mosquitos?

Bill Gates releases mosquitos into audience

Thank God it wasn't 'Bill Gates and the rabid bats'.

re: #23 dentate

You mean where Bill Gates lives, mosquitoes check your bank statements before they bite?

I don't live far from his house, but I can tell you I've never seen them looking at mine.

Maybe I should drop by and tell him what it's like to grow up in Wisconsin, where there's so much slapping going on it sounds like a Marx Brothers movie. Mosquitos in Seattle are like conservatives here...they barely exist.

re: #26 Dublin(CA)Dude

Then why not nominate her of HHS secretary, she's got to be as qualified as Daschle. And she has on the job experience, vis a vis STD's.

No, she is more qualified. Her father is a physician.

re: #30 dentate

No, she is more qualified. Her father is a physician.

But we don't know is she owes back taxes, that is the most important qualification.

re: #29 capitalist piglet

I don't live far from his house, but I can tell you I've never seen them looking at mine.

Maybe I should drop by and tell him what it's like to grow up in Wisconsin, where there's so much slapping going on it sounds like a Marx Brothers movie. Mosquitos in Seattle are like conservatives here...they barely exist.

They have all moved up to Alaska. Mosquitoes and conservatives.

re: #31 Dublin(CA)Dude

But we don't know is she owes back taxes, that is the most important qualification.

Probably claimed depreciation allowance on thongs and blue dresses. Work related, you know. I'd audit.

re: #21 Dublin(CA)Dude

Just a thought. Now that Obama is retreading most of the Clinton Admin officials into his Admin, how long do you think it will be before Monica is once again an intern?

The position of "chief performance officer" is open.

(whatever the heck that title means)

re: #34 Clemente

The position of "chief performance officer" is open.

(whatever the heck that title means)

Now THAT is a position for which Monica might be qualified.

re: #28 Cygnus

Thank God it wasn't 'Bill Gates and the rabid bats'.

I thought it was a typical liberal whacky idea, like sitting in a tree without food for a month. They don't help anybody - they just make you look like a moonbat.

I wonder if somebody will sue him.

re: #34 Clemente

Supplier of Monicas?

re: #18 Salamantis

have there ever been any NONlame attempts to introduce ID ito public high school science class? Even when they enjoy a modicum of success, it is only because they are employing lame people.

Well, it is a matter of degree. There is a broken leg, and then there is flccid quadriplegia. The reason this one was so lame is that it was transparently dishonest: I mean, if you are going to lie, be a bit circumspect please.

I think I can see how ID can repackage itself. I've given this a bit of thought: What it needs to do to be non-lame is a) continue to use Behe as its stalking horse. b) pick a schoolboard run by on-the-record aggressive and socially organised secular humanists (there must be one somewhere) and surprise it with a careful election of stooges. Then propose to pop a careful little rider in the schoolbook on ID, phrased in sweetly non-denominational terms. Watch parents go ballistic, and then argue that a) secular humanism is in this context a religion, and b) not teaching ID violates the establishment clause. I think you could find a sociologist somewhere who might agree on the stand that sec hum. can be a religion and would be willing to say so as an expert.

At the very least, it would be tremendous fodder for the people who like saying thatthey are persecuted, and in the ultimate ID wetdream, it would subvert the establishment clause. But it would take time, and a good deal of care. If I were an IDer, that's what I'd be planning.

re: #33 dentate

Probably claimed depreciation allowance on thongs and blue dresses. Work related, you know. I'd audit.

I find it interesting that people like Daschle and Geithner have paid back taxes and interest. Who excused the penalties? I've not read a thing about any penalties these guys have, or should have, faced.

re: #35 dentate

Now THAT is a position for which Monica might be qualified.

Seems like a no-brainer...

re: #35 dentate

Now THAT is a position for which Monica might be qualified.

LMAO

Dentate: I gather you are neurotropic? What's your field?

Obama to Create Faith Council

CBNNews.com - CBN News has learned that President Obama will create a President's Council on Faith.

The council will be announced at Thursday's National Prayer Breakfast in Washington tomorrow.

The President has not been shy talking about his faith.

This new council will be made up of religious leaders across the ideological spectrum.

Their main task will be to provide public policy input on faith related issues ranging from healthcare to poverty. They will meet regularly and discuss their ideas with the President.

The council will be part of an overall faith-based office.

The President is also expected to lay out his vision for that office at the prayer breakfast.

re: #43 pink freud

Obama to Create Faith Council

CBNNews.com - CBN News has learned that President Obama will create a President's Council on Faith.

The council will be announced at Thursday's National Prayer Breakfast in Washington tomorrow.

The President has not been shy talking about his faith.

This new council will be made up of religious leaders across the ideological spectrum.

Their main task will be to provide public policy input on faith related issues ranging from healthcare to poverty. They will meet regularly and discuss their ideas with the President.

Discussing burka's, colors, styles, and how soon they should be mandatory.
The council will be part of an overall faith-based office.

The President is also expected to lay out his vision for that office at the prayer breakfast.

re: #42 Hhar

Dentate: I gather you are neurotropic? What's your field?

Relevant to my avatar, yes, I have some background in neurophysiology

Something screwed up on that post.

sal you still up?

The Legalization of Plunder

"If the government borrows the money for the stimulus, then it will either have to print money later or raise taxes to pay it back. If the government raises taxes to pay for the stimulus, it will, in effect, be robbing Peter to pay Paul. If the government prints the money, it will increase inflation, which will decrease the value of the dollar. That would, in effect, rob Paul to pay Paul back with devalued currency. Taking money out of the private economy--either through taxes or inflation--and spending it in a way that doesn't offset the loss of money with real economic gains is worse than doing nothing."
-- Dick Armey

This is why I vote for doing nothing! If government won't act now to restore freedom, individual rights and capitalism across the board -- the next best thing is to do NOTHING. At least they won't do more damage than has already been done. At least there will be less damage to undo, when and if the country ever wakes up and accepts the requirements of a free economy. It's encouraging to read of some opposition to Obama's plan, especially opposition of the sort articulated by Armey. It would be wonderful to repeat the Clinton health care debacle of 1994 by destroying Obama's hopes of passing anything. I realize this is an unlikely outcome. I also realize that doing nothing still leaves us with the previous mess of a mixed private-socialist economy, with "capitalism" getting all the blame. But sometimes, in life, all you can do is stop evil and stupidity in its tracks. Then, later on, you're left to advance the right course of action. If America goes down the path of outright socialism and nationalization, as currently proposed by the White House and the majority in Congress, then America will be too poor a place for much left to debate.

re: #45 dentate

Cool. Neuropathology myself.

re: #49 Hhar

Cool. Neuropathology myself.

Clinical?

re: #43 pink freud

Obama to Create Faith Council

CBNNews.com - CBN News has learned that President Obama will create a President's Council on Faith.

The council will be announced at Thursday's National Prayer Breakfast in Washington tomorrow.

The President has not been shy talking about his faith.

This new council will be made up of religious leaders across the ideological spectrum.

Their main task will be to provide public policy input on faith related issues ranging from healthcare to poverty. They will meet regularly and discuss their ideas with the President.

The council will be part of an overall faith-based office.

The President is also expected to lay out his vision for that office at the prayer breakfast.

Imagine the hysteria and outrage, had Reagan or either Bush begun residency at 1600 Penn with this news...

re: #50 dentate

And research, but these days (last year or so) mostly clinical.

Top Iranian official: Iran won't talk to 'Zionist' Obama

A representative of Iran's supreme leader said the installation of U.S. President Barack Obama did not mean Tehran's ties with Washington would change, the Fars news agency reported Wednesday.

"The Zionists brought Obama to power to help America pass through its current challenges," said the representative to the Revolutionary Guards in northwestern Zanjan province, cleric Hojjatoleslam Ali Maboudi.

"Any government has 'red lines' and our 'red lines' are rejecting the arrogant policies of America and the Zionist regime."

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has ultimate authority over policy in the Islamic Republic, has yet to comment on Obama's presidency or his offer to extend a hand of peace if the Islamic Republic would only "unclench its fist."

/give him a paper bag, maybe Obama can punch himself out of that

re: #51 Clemente

Imagine the hysteria and outrage, had Reagan or either Bush begun residency at 1600 Penn with this news...

Incalculable.

Forsaking Taiwan?

Some key Cabinet picks bode ill for Taiwan in its struggle for independence from Red China. Obama's intelligence czar, for one, doesn't think the key island democracy is worth protecting.

In fact, Adm. Dennis Blair regards Taiwan much like the Chinese Communists regard it — as a nuisance. His exact words are more colorful. At a late 1999 Capitol Hill meeting, Blair told staffers that Taiwan had become "the turd in the punch bowl" of U.S.-Chinese relations, as Bill Gertz reported in his book "The China Threat."

China boosters Feinstein and Blair.
If Taiwan were to declare itself an independent nation, Blair asserted, "I don't think we should support them at all."

/Taiwan, under the Bus

re: #43 pink freud

Obama to Create Faith Council

CBNNews.com - CBN News has learned that President Obama will create a President's Council on Faith.

The council will be announced at Thursday's National Prayer Breakfast in Washington tomorrow.

The President has not been shy talking about his faith.

This new council will be made up of religious leaders across the ideological spectrum.

Their main task will be to provide public policy input on faith related issues ranging from healthcare to poverty. They will meet regularly and discuss their ideas with the President.

The council will be part of an overall faith-based office.

The President is also expected to lay out his vision for that office at the prayer breakfast.

Will there be a representative for non-believers?

re: #53 Killian Bundy

Probably not even a wet one. The Present™ is rather lame.

re: #43 pink freud

Time to decide on the color of the burkas.

re: #56 abaleh

What happened to separation of church and state? There must be a mass explosion of heads over at Kos and DU.

re: #34 Clemente

The position of "chief performance officer" is open.

(whatever the heck that title means)

i believe the office is equipped with a brass pole on a raised stage...

/white smoke

re: #59 pink freud

I live in a country where church (or synagogue) and state are pretty much joined at the hip. Some of my friends and relatives had to get married in Cyprus so that they could have the wedding ceremony they wanted back home.

Shocka

re: #3 Sharmuta

Howard Ahmanson, one of the first donors to the Discovery Institute, was a member of the Christian Reconstructionist movement.

Wow! An actual Calvinist. When you have to go back to the 16th century to get your political views, you are pretty damn conservative.

re: #43 pink freud

Obama to Create Faith Council

CBNNews.com - CBN News has learned that President Obama will create a President's Council on Faith.

The council will be announced at Thursday's National Prayer Breakfast in Washington tomorrow.

The President has not been shy talking about his faith, except when it came to Rev. Wright, of "God Damn America" fame.

This new council will be made up of religious leaders across the ideological spectrum, from Muslim to black liberation theology.

Their main task will be to provide public policy input on faith related issues ranging from healthcare to poverty. They will meet regularly and discuss their ideas with the President who will then do whatever he feels like anyway.

The council will be part of an overall faith-based office, which will also be in charge of National Security and Foreign Relations.

The President is also expected to lay out his vision for that office at the prayer breakfast when he tells them "I won.".

FTFT!

guess i'll fire up the grill now while it's quiet... with this subject we should get some snacks sooner or later.

hey Blue, you got the Molsons iced down yet?

A doctor had the reputation of helping couples increase the joy in
their sex life, but always promised not to take a case if he felt he
could not help them. The Browns came to see the doctor. He gave them
thorough physical exams, psychological exams, and various tests, then
concluded, "Yes, I am happy to say that I believe I can help you. On
your way home from my office stop at the grocery store and buy some
grapes and some doughnuts."

"Go home, take off your clothes, and you, sir, roll the grapes across
the floor until you make a bulls eye in your wife's 'love canal'.
Then, on hands and knees you must crawl to her like a leopard and
retrieve the grape using only your tongue."

"Then next, ma'am, you must take the doughnuts and from across the
room, toss them at your husband until you make a ringer around his
'love pole'. Then, like a lioness, you must crawl to him and consume
the doughnut."

The couple went home and their sex life became more and more
wonderful. They told their friends, Mr. & Mrs. Green that they should
see the good doctor. The doctor greeted the Greens and said he would
not take the case unless he felt that he could help them. He conducted
the physical exams and the same battery of tests.

Then he told the Greens the bad news. "I cannot help you, so I will
not take your money. I believe your sex life is as good as it will
ever be. I cannot help."

The Greens pleaded with him, and said, "You helped our friends the
Browns, now please, please help us."

"Well, all right", the doctor said. "On your way home from the office,
stop at the grocery store and buy some apples and a box of
Cheerios..."

re: #64 redc1c4

Well done! Can the Muslim call to prayer be far behind? "The most beautiful sound on earth ..."

re: #62 abaleh

Shocka

yup... first thing i thought when i saw the headline was "no? really? who ever would have believed that?"

/

Bill Gates Unleashes Swarm of Mosquitoes on Audience

"Malaria is spread by mosquitoes," Gates said while opening a jar onstage at a gathering known to attract technology kings, politicians, and Hollywood stars.

"I brought some. Here I'll let them roam around. There is no reason only poor people should be infected."

re: #67 pink freud

Well done! Can the Muslim call to prayer be far behind? "The most beautiful sound on earth is a can of beer being opened for you by a scantily clad woman while you're grilling pork chops..."

FTFT!

re: #69 logboy

Bill Gates Unleashes Swarm of Mosquitoes on Audience

"Malaria is spread by mosquitoes," Gates said while opening a jar onstage at a gathering known to attract technology kings, politicians, and Hollywood stars.

"I brought some. Here I'll let them roam around. There is no reason only poor people should be infected."

what a crack head. by his logic, we should all get the sickle cell gene, so we can have that adaptation to malaria.

re: #6 dentate

But they would have to learn what science is in order to make arguments with scientific merit, and if they understood science they would not be ID advocates. ID supporters do not comprehend the difference between hypothesis testing and theory construction, and their ultimate argument is inevitably, "if I can't understand how it happened, then it must not have happened."

No --close, but not quite.

Their ultimate argument actually is,

"If I can't understand how it happened, then it was A MIRACLE!"

Revealingly, this is also the worldview of pre-scientific primitive tribes.

.Q: What's the problem with Barack Obama jokes?

A: His followers don't think they're funny and other people don't think they're jokes.

re: #69 logboy

Bill Gates Unleashes Swarm of Mosquitoes on Audience

"Malaria is spread by mosquitoes," Gates said while opening a jar onstage at a gathering known to attract technology kings, politicians, and Hollywood stars.

"I brought some. Here I'll let them roam around. There is no reason only poor people should be infected."

/Minnesota mosquitoes, the State bird, only spread Lyme disease

re: #73 Dustyvet

.Q: What's the problem with Barack Obama jokes?

A: His followers don't think they're funny and other people don't think they're jokes.

where does thinking he is a joke fall?

Giving money and power to Barack Obama is like giving liquor and car keys to a teenage boy.

re: #76 Dustyvet

Giving money and power to Barack Obama is like giving liquor and car keys to a teenage boy.

Try a 12 yo, not quite a teen.

Q. What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?

A. Deductible.

re: #65 redc1c4

In this weather? They are permanently iced down. The trick is to keep them warm enough to drink.

re: #72 zombie

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #43 pink freud

Background on the National (Presidential) Prayer Breakfast:

The National Prayer Breakfast is a yearly event held in Washington, D.C., on the first Thursday of February each year. The founder of this event was Frank Carlson, a former US Representative, Governor, and Senator from Concordia, Kansas, along side Mr. Hilton and Billy Graham. The event—which is actually a series of meetings, luncheons, and dinners—has taken place since 1953 [...]

Initially called the Presidential Prayer Breakfast, the name was changed in 1970 to the National Prayer Breakfast. It is designed to be a forum for political, social and business leaders of the world to assemble together and build relationships which might not otherwise be possible. Since the inception of the National Prayer Breakfast, several U.S. states and cities and other countries have established their own annual prayer breakfast events. The event has been criticized by organizations such as American Atheists and the Freedom From Religion Foundation, who claim that it violates separation of church and state.

Looks like same ol' same ol', 'cept Obama perhaps wants to formalize the arrangement a bit.

A missionary who had spent years showing a tribe of natives how to farm and build things to be self-sufficient gets the word that he is to return home.

He realizes that the one thing he never taught the natives was how to speak English, so he takes the chief and starts walking in the forest. He points to a tree and says to the chief, "This is a tree." The chief looks at the tree and grunts, "Tree."

The missionary is pleased with the response.

They walk a little farther and the padre points to a rock and says, "This is a rock." Hearing this, the chief looks and grunts, "Rock." The padre is really getting enthusiastic about the results when he hears a rustling in the bushes.

As he peeks over the top, he sees a couple in the midst of heavy sexual activity.

The padre is really flustered and quickly responds, "Riding a bike."

The chief looks at the couple briefly, pulls out his blow gun and kills them.

The padre goes ballistic and yells at the chief that he has spent years teaching the tribe how to be civilized and kind to each other, so how could he just kill these people in cold blood that way?

The chief replied, "My bike."

re: #72 zombie

No --close, but not quite.

Their ultimate argument actually is,

"If I can't understand how it happened, then it was A MIRACLE!"

Revealingly, this is also the worldview of pre-scientific primitive tribes.

as Clarke said: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

re: #69 logboy

Bill Gates Unleashes Swarm of Mosquitoes on Audience

"Malaria is spread by mosquitoes," Gates said while opening a jar onstage at a gathering known to attract technology kings, politicians, and Hollywood stars.

"I brought some. Here I'll let them roam around. There is no reason only poor people should be infected."

From the article:

A spokesman said the insects released were not carrying malaria.

Gates retired as head of Microsoft last year to focus more on his foundation. One of its key projects is ending malaria and it has spent millions on fighting the disease.

The philanthropist has been pushing to reduce malaria deaths through the nonprofit.

B-b-b-b-b-but -- Joni Mitchell sang "Hey farmer farmer, put away your DDT now. Give me spots on my apples, but leave me the birds and the bees!"

Every hippie in the world knew that DDT was eeevil. It was made by an eeevil corporation. And Rachel Carson saved the planet by writing Silent Spring!

Oooops, looks like our anti-DDT campaign caused 100 million deaths from malaria, because DDT is the best anti-mosquito insecticide ever made, and without it, mosquitoes in warm climates breed uncontrollably. Sorry, Third World! But when Joni Mithcell speaks, what choice to we have but to follow her advice?

Why don't you people evolve some more sickle cell genes or something and stop making us feel so guilty with your mass fatalities?

re: #79 BlueCanuck

In this weather? They are permanently iced down. The trick is to keep them warm enough to drink.

I went to the Bears Packers game at Soldier Field in December. It was the coldest game there ever, and almost the coldest game in NFL history.

The trick was to drink your beer faster than it could freeze. Every time you took a drink the neck on the bottle would freeze up a bit more. By your fourth swig you had to suck it through the ice to get any beer out.

re: #77 Dublin(CA)Dude

Try a spoiled, immature 12 yo, not quite a teen.

FTFY!

re: #48 gmsc

If America goes down the path of outright socialism and nationalization, as currently proposed by the White House and the majority in Congress, then America will be too poor a place for much left to debate.

An equally dark outlook, and among my all-time favorite lines on the subject:

Republics, we are told, last until the voters realize they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury; after which the many despoil the few; the indolent plunder the industrious; and the state begins to dissolve.

Jerry Pournelle introducing The Aristocrat by Chan Davis, in "Imperial Stars I: The Stars at War" mentioned just today in a prior thread.

A lady goes to her parish priest one day and tells him, "Father,
I have a problem. I have two female parrots but they only know
how to say one thing." "What do they say?" the priest inquired.
"They say, 'Hi, we're prostitutes. Do you want to have some
fun?" "That's obscene!" the priest exclaimed, "I can see why you
are embarrassed." He thought a minute and then said, "You know,
I may have a solution to this problem. I have two male parrots
whom I have taught to pray and read the Bible.

Bring your two parrots over to my house and we will put them in
the cage with Francis and Job. My parrots can teach your parrots
to praise and worship. I'm sure your parrots will stop saying
that...that phrase in no time." "Thank you," the woman
responded, "this may very well be the solution."

The next day, she brought her female parrots to the priest's
house. As he ushered her in, she saw this two male parrots were
inside their cage, hold their rosary beads and praying.
Impressed, she walked over and placed her parrots in with them.
After just a couple of seconds, the female parrots exclaimed out
in unison, "Hi, we're prostitutes. Do you want to have some
fun?"

There was a stunned silence. Finally, one male parrot looked
over at the other male parrot and said, "Put the beads away,
Francis, our prayers have been answered!"

re: #79 BlueCanuck

In this weather? They are permanently iced down. The trick is to keep them warm enough to drink.

well, the grill is in my yard, so it'd be handy to have them collocated with me...

could you get on that issue?

re: #80 Scion9

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Interesting. Thanks for the link! Sums it up pretty well.

An elderly couple were celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary, so they decided to return to the little town where they first met. They sat in a small coffee shop in the town and were telling the waitress about their love for each other and how they met at this same spot. Sitting next to them was the local cop and he smiled as the old couple spoke. After the waitress left the table, the old man said to his wife, 'Remember the first time we made love, it was up in that field across the road, when I put you against the fence. Why don't we do it again for old times sake?' The wife giggled like crazy and said, 'Sure, why not.' So off they went out the door and across to the field. The cop smiled to himself, thinking how romantic this was and decided he better keep an eye on the couple so they didn't run into any harm. The old couple walked to the field and as they approached the fence they began to undress. The old man picked up his wife when they were naked and leaned her against the fence. The cop was watching from the bushes and was surprised at what he saw. With the vitality of youth, the wife bounced up and down excitedly, while the husband thrashed around like a wild man, then they both fell to the ground in exhaustion. Eventually, they stood up,shook themselves, and got dressed. As they walked back towards the road, the cop stepped from his hiding spot and said, 'That is the most wonderful love making I have ever seen. You must have been a wild couple when you were young.' 'not really,' said the old man, 'when we were young, that fence wasn't electric.'

re: #81 freetoken

Background on the National (Presidential) Prayer Breakfast:

Looks like same ol' same ol', 'cept Obama perhaps wants to formalize the arrangement a bit.

undoubtedly... he'll be the one passing the collection plate. %-)

re: #86 redc1c4

FTFY!

Add arrogant to that.

re: #89 redc1c4

Working on it. :)

re: #81 freetoken

Looks to be spiffied up a bit.

The Obama administration is expected today to unveil a council of religious and secular advisors that will guide decisions on faith-based programs for a broad range of domestic and foreign policy issues.

The 25-member Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships -- featuring Christian, Muslim and Jewish representatives -- will focus renewed attention on poverty, calling for the economic stimulus package under consideration in Washington to provide assistance to the neediest Americans, according to two members of the panel.

The group also will weigh in on the need to reduce abortions in this country, and urge new action to tackle human trafficking, climate change and military conflicts.

"We will be addressing faith and society issues," said the Rev. Joel Hunter, who leads a Florida mega-church and is widely viewed as a moderate among evangelical Christians. "This is going to be a kind of sounding board for the president."

Mormons not invited.

re: #85 logboy

I went to the Bears Packers game at Soldier Field in December. It was the coldest game there ever, and almost the coldest game in NFL history.

The trick was to drink your beer faster than it could freeze. Every time you took a drink the neck on the bottle would freeze up a bit more. By your fourth swig you had to suck it through the ice to get any beer out.

my 6 element went skiing up in Canuckistan once, and she said she attended an evening event outside where the beers were kept on top of the stove, so that they wouldn't freeze.

re: #87 Clemente

I have the e-book, and currently reading it. A lot of good essays and stories. Wish I could cut and paste some of them but it's a tad difficult.

Toward the end of the service, the Minister asked, "How many of you have forgiven your enemies?" 80% held up their hands.

The Minister then repeated his question. All responded this time, except one small elderly lady.

"Mrs. Jones? Are you not willing to forgive your enemies?" "I don't have any," she replied, smiling sweetly.

"Mrs. Jones, that is very unusual. How old are you?"

"Ninety-eight," she replied.

"Oh, Mrs. Jones, would you please come down in front and tell us all how a person can live ninety-eight years & not have an enemy in the world?"

The little sweetheart of a lady tottered down the aisle, faced the congregation, and said:

"I outlived the bitches."

re: #69 logboy

A spokesman said the insects released were not carrying malaria. Gates retired as head of Microsoft last year to focus more on his foundation.

What a dick. I liked him better when he was supposed to be some kind of 'evil genius' bent on 'monopolizing' the... wait, what was it he was 'monopolizing'?
/

Three generals, one from the Army, another from the Marines, and a third from the Air Force, were having a debate with a Navy Admiral about whose soldiers were the bravest.

To prove his point, the Air Force general calls over an airman: "Airman! Climb that flagpole, and once you are at the top, sing 'Wild Blue Yonder', and then jump off!"

"YES SIR!" replies the airman. He takes off for the flagpole like a shot, scales up it, sings the anthem, salutes and jumps off, hitting the ground at attention.

The general dismisses him. "Now that's bravery!" exclaims the general.

"Ah, that's nothing," says the Admiral, "Seaman!" A seaman appears, "YES, SIR!" "Take this weapon," as he offers him an M14, "Scale that flagpole, balance yourself on top, stand at attention, present arms, and sing 'Anchors Aweigh.' Salute each of us, and jump off.

"YES SIR!" replies the seaman. He sprints for the flagpole with the weapon high over his head, and completes the task perfectly.

"Now that's courage!" says the admiral.

"Courage, nothin'" snorts the Army general. "Get over here, private!"

"YES SIR!" replies the private.

"Put on full combat gear, load your rucksack with these rocks, scale that flagpole, come to attention, present arms, and sing the National Anthem, salute each of us, and then climb back down, head first."

"YES SIR!" replies the private, and completes the task.

"Now that is a brave man! Beat that!"

They all look to the Marine. "Private," he says.

"YES SIR!"

"Put on full combat gear. Put these two dogs in your pack. Using only one hand, climb that flagpole. At the top, sing 'The Halls of Montezuma', put your knife in your teeth, and dive off, headfirst."

The private snaps to attention, looks at the general and says, "F**K YOU SIR!"

The general turns to the others and says, "Now THAT'S bravery!"

Sam had been in the hectic newspaper business for twenty-five years when he decided that he was sick of the stress and quit his job. He bought 50 acres of land in the middle of Nowhere, Vermont. His place was so isolated that the postman came only once a week and he went to the grocery store only once a month.

After six months of near total isolation, he hears a knock on the door. He opens the door and a big bearded Vermonter is standing there. He says, "Names Enoch...your neighbor from four miles over the ridge. Having a party Saturday...thought you'd like to come."

"Great," replies Sam. "After six months of living like this I'm ready to meet some local folks. Thanks for inviting me."

As Enoch is leaving, he stops. "Gotta warn you, though, there's gonna be some drinkin'." "Not a problem. After 25 years in the newspaper business, I can drink with the best of them."

Again, as he starts to leave, Enoch stops. "More 'n likely gonna be some fightin', too." Tough crowd, Sam thinks to himself. "Well, I get along with people. Don't worry, I'll be there. Thanks again."

Once again, Enoch turns from the door, "I've seen some wild sex at these parties, too." "Now that is not a problem," Sam says. "I've been up here all alone for six long months. I'll definitely be there.

By the way, what should I wear?"

Enoch stops in the doorway one last time and says... "Whatever you want. Just gonna be the 2 of us there."

re: #100 Erik The Red

in reality, it was a National Guardsman that told the general to FO.

re: #68 redc1c4

I'm all for being vigilant about human rights violations, but these organizations are shooting themselves in the foot in the long run by being so two-faced about it. After Jenin, and now Gaza, who would believe them anymore when their vigilance would actually be required?

An african ambassador visited Russia and was entertained by his opposite number, the Russian ambassador. For three days, the African ambassador was wined, dined, and generally treated to the best hospitality that Russia had to offer.

On the last day of his visit, the Russian ambassador said, "As your stay is coming to an end, it's time for you to play our traditional game, Russian roulette. One of the six chambers of this gun is loaded - you spin the cylinder, point the gun at your head, and pull the trigger."

This phased the African slightly, but he was a proud man of a warrior people, and to show fear would be unthinkable. Both men took their guns, spun, and pulled the triggers.

Both chambers were empty, and both ambassadors breathed a sigh of relief.

The African ambassador was impressed with the couragous game, and thought hard about the subject before the Russian Ambassador was due to visit his country the next year.

When the visit came, the African ambassador treated the Russian with all hospitality, until the final day of his stay. Leading him to a private room in the palace, the African ambassador spoke, "Now, time for you to sample our game, African roulette". He then led the Russian into the room, the only occupants of which were six stunning and naked women.

The African ambassador said, "These women are the most beautiful members of one of our tribes. Any one of them will give you a oral sex take your pick".

The Russian was not entirely averse to this idea, but he couldn't see the connection with Russian Roulette. He said, "Well, ok, great, but where's the roulette part? Where's the danger?"

With a big grin on his face, the African ambassador answered:

"One of them's a cannibal."

re: #97 BlueCanuck

I have the e-book, and currently reading it. A lot of good essays and stories. Wish I could cut and paste some of them but it's a tad difficult.

I've had the paperback twenty years or so and it's still a delight, but I googled "the many despoil the few" and clicked the cached link to save typing...

And I'm trying not to read any more of Erik's posts, as I'm down to my spare backup alternate keyboard and my monitor is a barely legible speckled mess!

Niven's Laws

1. Never throw shit at an armed man.
* Never stand next to someone who is throwing shit at an armed man.
2. Never fire a laser at a mirror.
3. Mother Nature doesn't care if you're having fun.
4. Giving up freedom for security is beginning to look naïve. (Note: this originally read "F × S = k", signifying that the product of freedom and security is a constant.)
5. Psi and/or magical powers, if real, are nearly useless.
6. It is easier to destroy than to create.
7. Any damn fool can predict the past.
8. History never repeats itself.
9. Ethics change with technology.
10. Anarchy is the least stable of political structures.
11. There is a time and a place for tact.
12. The ways of being human are bounded but infinite.
13. When your life starts to look like a soap opera, it's time to change the channel.
14. The only universal message in science fiction: There exist minds that think as well as you do, but differently.
* Niven's Corollary: The gene-tampered turkey you're talking to isn't necessarily one of them.
15. Never waste calories.
16. There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.
17. No technique works if it isn't used.
18. Not responsible for advice not taken.
19. Think before you make the coward's choice. Old age is not for sissies.
20. Never let a waiter escape.

re: #69 logboy

Bill Gates Unleashes Swarm of Mosquitoes on Audience

"Malaria is spread by mosquitoes," Gates said while opening a jar onstage at a gathering known to attract technology kings, politicians, and Hollywood stars.

"I brought some. Here I'll let them roam around. There is no reason only poor people should be infected."

Well, it's not like this should have been a surprise to anyone. After all, when the people who were going to be present were asked ahead of time about their reactions to mosquito bites, which can include anaphylaxis, whole body hives and swelling, and worsening of asthma symptoms, they had to know something was up.

These problems aren't caused by only malaria-infected mosquitos. They're caused by proteins in mosquito saliva.

Er, they did ask people about their reactions ahead of time, didn't they? Surely they're not THAT stupid.

By the time a Marine pulled into a little town, every hotel room was taken. ''You've got to have a room somewhere,'' he pleaded. ''Or just a bed, I don't care where.'' ''Well, I do have a double room with one occupant, a Navy guy,'' admitted the manager, ''and he might be glad to split the cost. But to tell you the truth, he snores so loudly that people in adjoining rooms have complained in the past. I'm not sure it'd be worth it to you.'' ''No problem,'' the tired Marine assured him. ''I'll take it.''
The next morning the Marine came down to breakfast bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. ''How'd you sleep?'' asked the manager. ''Never better.'' The manager was impressed. ''No problem with the other guy snoring, then?'' ''Nope, I shut him up in no time,'' said the Marine. ''How'd you manage that?'' asked the manager. ''He was already in bed, snoring away, when I came in the room,'' the Marine explained. ''I went over, gave him a kiss on the cheek, said, 'Goodnight, beautiful,' and he sat up all night watching me.''

re: #107 gmsc

Well, it's not like this should have been a surprise to anyone. After all, when the people who were going to be present were asked ahead of time about their reactions to mosquito bites, which can include anaphylaxis, whole body hives and swelling, and worsening of asthma symptoms, they had to know something was up.

These problems aren't caused by only malaria-infected mosquitos. They're caused by proteins in mosquito saliva.

Er, they did ask people about their reactions ahead of time, didn't they? Surely they're not THAT stupid.

good field first aid for itchy bug bites is to put a little meat tenderizer on a moistened band aid, and palace it on the bite.

as mentioned above, the alien proteins cause the body to have an alergic reaction, usually localized, characterized by swelling and itching.

the meat tenderizer breaks down the proteins into component amino acids, which the body *doesn't* react to, and the itching goes away. you still have the bite, but that's no biggie.

re: #108 Erik The Red

By the time a Marine pulled into a little town, every hotel room was taken. ''You've got to have a room somewhere,'' he pleaded. ''Or just a bed, I don't care where.'' ''Well, I do have a double room with one occupant, a Navy guy,'' admitted the manager, ''and he might be glad to split the cost. But to tell you the truth, he snores so loudly that people in adjoining rooms have complained in the past. I'm not sure it'd be worth it to you.'' ''No problem,'' the tired Marine assured him. ''I'll take it.''
The next morning the Marine came down to breakfast bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. ''How'd you sleep?'' asked the manager. ''Never better.'' The manager was impressed. ''No problem with the other guy snoring, then?'' ''Nope, I shut him up in no time,'' said the Marine. ''How'd you manage that?'' asked the manager. ''He was already in bed, snoring away, when I came in the room,'' the Marine explained. ''I went over, gave him a kiss on the cheek, said, 'Goodnight, beautiful,' and he sat up all night watching me.''

I learned right away to get some noise canceling headphones. There are always 1 or 2 guys in the barracks who snore like chainsaws.

Here, some firearms porn. (safe for work) {unless your boss is a gun-grabbing liberal}

The full article. That's a .410 shell by the way and this also will shoot .45's

re: #110 logboy

I learned right away to get some noise canceling headphones. There are always 1 or 2 guys in the barracks who snore like chainsaws.

that would be me, for one...

Are we allowed to post economic links and discussions, or have they now been requested to be taken off the table?

re: #109 redc1c4

good field first aid for itchy bug bites is to put a little meat tenderizer on a moistened band aid, and palace it on the bite.

as mentioned above, the alien proteins cause the body to have an alergic reaction, usually localized, characterized by swelling and itching.

the meat tenderizer breaks down the proteins into component amino acids, which the body *doesn't* react to, and the itching goes away. you still have the bite, but that's no biggie.

If I had severe mosquito allergies or asthma (as described in my earlier), and was attending this lecture (unaware of the upcoming mosquito stunt), as soon as he released the skeeters, I would have no problem running up on stage and do my best to take Bill Gates with me!

re: #113 freetoken

Are we allowed to post economic links and discussions, or have they now been requested to be taken off the table?

It's an open thread, as far as I know.

When you post economic links, though, we also can't guarantee how long any of us will stay on that topic.
;)

re: #113 freetoken

Are we allowed to post economic links and discussions, or have they now been requested to be taken off the table?

what makes you ask that?

did i miss something?

re: #116 redc1c4

what makes you ask that?

did i miss something?

Maybe it's because of someone yesterday posting a trader's forum and the topic contained some alarmist speculations (rumors) that charles asked not be posted on LGF?
As long it's facts, I think it's probably ok but I don't run things around here.

Netanyahu: I hope Obama will clock Iran - JPost

Likud chairman Binyamin Netanyahu has expressed the hope that US President Barack Obama will limit his engagement with Iran to a set time and insist on a final outcome of dismantling its nuclear program.

In a briefing for Jerusalem Post editors and writers this week, Netanyahu noted that his "positive" meetings with Obama in Washington and Jerusalem had been mostly devoted to the Iranian issue.

He said that when Obama told him he wanted to engage Teheran, he told the president that the way Iran's nuclearization would be stopped was less important than the result.

Negotiations with Iran could be "closed-ended" with a closed-ended result, Netanyahu said. They could be limited to a few months and it could be made clear from the outset that the result of the talks would be that the Iranian nuclear program would be dismantled.

A prediction of things to come? Read the whole thing.

re: #115 gmsc

The reason I asked, is that yesterday (or was it the day before?) Charles jumped into a thread and mentioned something about not wanting to spread economic panic.

Anyway, I was thinking about our friend Miguel who now appears to be gone (either not able to log in, or perhaps deceased.) [Miguel - if by any chance you are reading this, know that we miss you!]

Today Mexico had to take extra measures to save the Peso:

Feb. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Mexico’s central bank bought pesos in the foreign-exchange market after the currency plunged to a record low today.

A statement from a joint central bank and Finance Ministry committee said Banco de Mexico purchased pesos to “provide liquidity and to ease volatility.” The intervention is an “extraordinary” measure beyond the bank’s normal offer to buy $400 million worth of pesos a day, the press office said earlier.

I was wanting to hear from someone down in Mexico (not on from a border town) on how it is going down there. As I mentioned before, it seems to me I'm seeing fewer and fewer Mexican day laborers hanging around on the street corners.

But yes, I know, LGF is not an economics blog and economics topics die quickly.

re: #119 freetoken
yep that was it.

re: #119 freetoken

There's been articles in the MFM about this. Illegals returning home and the decline in the money being sent back to Mexico.

re: #121 jcw46
even cheap labor isn't cheap enough when you're out of a job yourself.

re: #118 logboy

Netanyahu: I hope Obama will clock Iran - JPost

A prediction of things to come? Read the whole thing.

i predict Iran tells Juggy to fuck off and that they will live test a bomb fairly soon.

re: #113 freetoken

Are we allowed to post economic links and discussions, or have they now been requested to be taken off the table?

re: #117 jcw46

Maybe it's because of someone yesterday posting a trader's forum and the topic contained some alarmist speculations (rumors) that charles asked not be posted on LGF?
As long it's facts, I think it's probably ok but I don't run things around here.

If jcw46 is right, you have nothing to worry about, freetoken.

The missing economic link from last night was little more than economic predictions intended only to panic. It was also from November of 2007.

For all anyone could've understood from that link, it may have accurately been predicting the economic problems we experienced in 2008. We've all seen that, and we've all gasped in horror, and most of us are more interested in effectively moving on from this situation.

Economic news, no problem. Warnings of irreversible doom-and-gloom, those have always been off the table.

re: #123 redc1c4
Juggy?

Since you asked... I hope I'm not the only one who finds this interesting. I wish we spent more time on it here.

"In the spring and summer of 2001, Washington borrowed billions from the capital/investment markets, and then mailed it to families in the form of $600 checks. In the fourth quarter of that year, consumer spending responded with 7 percent annualized growth, and investment spending correspondingly decreased by 23 percent. The economy grew at a sluggish 1.6 percent annualized rate.[1]

The simple redistribution from investment to consumption did not create new wealth.All traces of the rebate policy effectively disappeared by the next quarter. Consumer spending retreated to 1.4 percent annualized growth, and investment spending partially recovered from its steep decline with a 13.6 percent annual growth. The economy remained stagnant through much of 2002.”

“By contrast, the 2003 tax cuts lowered income, capital gains, and dividend tax rates.”

GDP grew at an annual rate of just 1.7 percent in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the six quarters following the tax cuts, the growth rate was 4.1 percent.

Non-residential fixed investment declined for 13 consecutive quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. Since then, it has expanded for 13 consecutive quarters.
The S&P 500 dropped 18 percent in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts but increased by 32 percent over the next six quarters. Dividend payouts increased as well.

The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs--and 5.3 million jobs over 13 quarters.[2]”

re: #124 gmsc
I saw someone say that then and that date was the date of the commenter's joining the forum. the date of his comment was current.

re: #119 freetoken

The reason I asked, is that yesterday (or was it the day before?) Charles jumped into a thread and mentioned something about not wanting to spread economic panic.

Anyway, I was thinking about our friend Miguel who now appears to be gone (either not able to log in, or perhaps deceased.) [Miguel - if by any chance you are reading this, know that we miss you!]

Today Mexico had to take extra measures to save the Peso:

I was wanting to hear from someone down in Mexico (not on from a border town) on how it is going down there. As I mentioned before, it seems to me I'm seeing fewer and fewer Mexican day laborers hanging around on the street corners.

But yes, I know, LGF is not an economics blog and economics topics die quickly.

the plight of the poor undocumented w*rkers here in the SFV was front page news for the local paper... the poor dears can't even afford to go home. unsurprisingly, numerous readers pointed out that the government had an agency that would cheerfully provide said trip for them.

re: #126 logboy
You mean 2007 don't you? I don't remember any $600 payments in 2001.

re: #123 redc1c4

I don't think Israel will let it get that far. Any hopes they have for a nuclear program will be turned into another pile of Middle East rubble, just like the last ones.

re: #125 jcw46

Juggy?

your president.

/he's not mine

re: #119 freetoken

The reason I asked, is that yesterday (or was it the day before?) Charles jumped into a thread and mentioned something about not wanting to spread economic panic.

Anyway, I was thinking about our friend Miguel who now appears to be gone (either not able to log in, or perhaps deceased.) [Miguel - if by any chance you are reading this, know that we miss you!]

Today Mexico had to take extra measures to save the Peso:

I was wanting to hear from someone down in Mexico (not on from a border town) on how it is going down there. As I mentioned before, it seems to me I'm seeing fewer and fewer Mexican day laborers hanging around on the street corners.

But yes, I know, LGF is not an economics blog and economics topics die quickly.

Actually, that's pretty interesting. I'm pretty sure it doesn't qualify as doom and gloom, because it's simply reporting that the Mexican government saw a potential economic problem, and acted to avert it.

If anyone is worried about this in combination with the rumored "collapse of Mexico" news that seems to be spreading around lately, everyone should realize that this collapse is little more than a CIA training "What If?"-type exercise, as explained fully in this Strategy Page article.

re: #129 jcw46

You mean 2007 don't you? I don't remember any $600 payments in 2001.

No, the dates are right. Sorry, forgot to link my source.

re: #131 redc1c4

your president.

/he's not mine

OH NO NO NO. You're not pinning that on me. Unh uh. He got in there with the complicity of the MFM and the gullibility/avarice of the 45% of the pop. that doesn't pay taxes.

re: #130 logboy

I don't think Israel will let it get that far. Any hopes they have for a nuclear program will be turned into another pile of Middle East rubble, just like the last ones.

how are they going to get there to do it? they've proven they can fly over Syria and Turkey, but they'd also have to get past Iraqi airspace, and that ain't gonna happen. same same for Kuwait or Saudi Arabia.

re: #131 redc1c4

your president.

/he's not mine

Let's not forget what we've learned over the past 8 years:

"He's not MY President, and never will be."
- Julia Roberts

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
- Howard Zinn

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic."
- Hillary Clinton

///

A blind man is walking down the street with his seeing-eye dog one day. They come to a busy intersection, and the dog, ignoring the high volume of traffic zooming by on the street, leads the blind man right out into the thick of traffic. This is followed by the screech of tires and horns blaring as panicked drivers try desperately not to run the pair down.

The blind man and the dog finally reach the safety of the sidewalk on the other side of the street, and the blind man pulls a cookie out of his coat pocket, which he offers to the dog. A passer-by, having observed the near fatal incident, can't control his amazement and says to the blind man, "Why on earth are you rewarding your dog with a cookie? He nearly
got you killed!"

The blind man turns partially in his direction and replies,
"To find out where his head is, so I can kick his ass."

re: #134 jcw46

OH NO NO NO. You're not pinning that on me. Unh uh. He got in there with the complicity of the MFM and the gullibility/avarice of the 45% of the pop. that doesn't pay taxes.

so no one is claiming Buckwheat the Dimwitted?

re: #133 logboy

No, the dates are right. Sorry, forgot to link my source.

HEY! HEY! WHERE'S MY 2001 REBATE? I WUZ ROBBED!

I want my 2001 rebate with interest NOW!

re: #135 redc1c4

how are they going to get there to do it? they've proven they can fly over Syria and Turkey, but they'd also have to get past Iraqi airspace, and that ain't gonna happen. same same for Kuwait or Saudi Arabia.

Obama is going to make it easier to fly over Iraq once he retreats pulls out.

re: #136 gmsc

Let's not forget what we've learned over the past 8 years:

"He's not MY President, and never will be."
- Julia Roberts

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
- Howard Zinn

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic."
- Hillary Clinton

///

pretty much my point:
"Dissent is especially patriotic when the president isn't."
- redc1c4

re: #140 abaleh

Obama is going to make it easier to fly over Iraq once he retreats pulls out.

there is that: they won't have an air force worthy of the name.

/maybe that's his plan?

re: #135 redc1c4

how are they going to get there to do it? they've proven they can fly over Syria and Turkey, but they'd also have to get past Iraqi airspace, and that ain't gonna happen. same same for Kuwait or Saudi Arabia.

One-way mission hugging the earth at supersonic. No matter what, someone's gonna die. That would be less likely if we had someone with testicles sitting in the oval office. Oh, wait isn't obama getting a dog?

re: #142 redc1c4

there is that: they won't have an air force worthy of the name.

/maybe that's his plan?

I don't think he has one

re: #139 jcw46

HEY! HEY! WHERE'S MY 2001 REBATE? I WUZ ROBBED!

I want my 2001 rebate with interest NOW!

and penalties too! ya can't forget the penalties...

(unless you're a Donkey politician, of course. %-)

re: #144 abaleh

I don't think he has one

it's the same plan for everything: "Hope! Change! Bullshit!"

he's a regular no trick pony

re: #22 Buster Bunny

LOL! I certainly do. You can add to it if you like.

I'm a quarter troll by descent, but my parents are respectable.

Jan. 23, in a pointed exchange with Republican lawmakers about Obama’s plan to stimulate the economy: "I won."

Feb. 3, after being repeatedly embarrassed by tax scofflaws he picked to serve in his Cabinet: "I screwed up."

Total time elapsed: 11 days.

re: #143 jcw46

One-way mission hugging the earth at supersonic. No matter what, someone's gonna die. That would be less likely if we had someone with testicles sitting in the oval office. Oh, wait isn't obama getting a dog?

besides Michelle, the First Sasquatch, you mean?

re: #135 redc1c4

how are they going to get there to do it? they've proven they can fly over Syria and Turkey, but they'd also have to get past Iraqi airspace, and that ain't gonna happen. same same for Kuwait or Saudi Arabia.

You don't think the US would casually look the other way on Iraq? I do, but thats just MHO. I think the easiest route would be over Turkey anyway. I've flown over Turkey and Northern Iraq. Theres not much up there and there are a lot of mountains there to avoid radar in.

re: #142 redc1c4

there is that: they won't have an air force worthy of the name.

/maybe that's his plan?

There is an Iraqi Air Force (if you can call it that). I was out on patrol one day and these two Iraqi military helicopters were shadowing us out in the desert off Route Tampa. That was the first, and last time I ever saw them.

re: #150 logboy

You don't think the US would casually look the other way on Iraq? I do, but thats just MHO. I think the easiest route would be over Turkey anyway. I've flown over Turkey and Northern Iraq. Theres not much up there and there are a lot of mountains there to avoid radar in.

the Iraqis would not knowingly allow it, if only for face in the Arab street, and the fact that their right next door to Iran, if they decide to take umbrage.

even if they decided to tacitly allow it, there would have to be a maskirovka of some sort for political cover. for the USAF to allow it to happen would be either a huge loss of face for not noticing, or bad press for allowing the evil Zionists to murder innocent Muslim women and children who were only attending a wedding...

imho, the best bet was for us to whack them awhile back. sure as shit the first moron isn't gonna do anything but make st00pid speeches.

re: #151 logboy

There is an Iraqi Air Force (if you can call it that). I was out on patrol one day and these two Iraqi military helicopters were shadowing us out in the desert off Route Tampa. That was the first, and last time I ever saw them.

that was my point. afaik, they only have log and border patrol assets.

Let us count the folks with (D) after their name (unless it's a story in the AP) who are KNOWN to have not paid their taxes.

David Dinkins
Charlie Rangel
Tom Daschle
Caroline Kennedy
Tim Geithner
Al Franken
Al Sharpton

re: #154 jcw46

Al Franken
Al Sharpton

re: #153 redc1c4

that was my point. afaik, they only have log and border patrol assets.

What are log assets?

Hey Boss!

just a suggestion, but if yer gonna do ID threads and such, can we get some more open enrollment periods, so there's a steady supply of trolls and fools on hand for our entertainment and dining pleasure?

your not very humble and marginally obedient zionist honco

re: #156 abaleh

What are log assets?

logistics aka "trash haulers" aka cargo planes

also, in this case utility helicopters, as opposed to gunships.

the term is why i keep subconsciously thinking logboy was a S4/truck driver type when he was more likely some flavor of combat arms.

re: #152 redc1c4

the Iraqis would not knowingly allow it, if only for face in the Arab street, and the fact that their right next door to Iran, if they decide to take umbrage.

even if they decided to tacitly allow it, there would have to be a maskirovka of some sort for political cover. for the USAF to allow it to happen would be either a huge loss of face for not noticing, or bad press for allowing the evil Zionists to murder innocent Muslim women and children who were only attending a wedding...

imho, the best bet was for us to whack them awhile back. sure as shit the first moron isn't gonna do anything but make st00pid speeches.

Unless our military tells them, they wouldn't know. They barely have weapons and vehicles, let alone radar capabilities for catching a low flying fighter. Southern Iraq would be easy to fly over. Other than Jabal Sanam Mountain on the Kuwait border, its totally flat all the way to Iran. The nearest US base is Tallil, up by Nassiryah. Theres a lot of ground between there and Kuwait and a lot less American Forces in the southern part of the country.

re: #158 redc1c4

logistics aka "trash haulers" aka cargo planes

also, in this case utility helicopters, as opposed to gunships.

the term is why i keep subconsciously thinking logboy was a S4/truck driver type when he was more likely some flavor of combat arms.

Infantry, 11B. I ran patrols in Southern Iraq for 5 months before rotating out to escort supply convoys around the country. I was on the road in gun trucks the whole time I was there.

re: #157 redc1c4

Well, he dropped the wrench on four this evening that were posting trash in the ben stein thread.

re: #158 redc1c4

Thanks (-;

re: #159 logboy

Unless our military tells them, they wouldn't know. They barely have weapons and vehicles, let alone radar capabilities for catching a low flying fighter. Southern Iraq would be easy to fly over. Other than Jabal Sanam Mountain on the Kuwait border, its totally flat all the way to Iran. The nearest US base is Tallil, up by Nassiryah. Theres a lot of ground between there and Kuwait and a lot less American Forces in the southern part of the country.

1. plausible deniability... how else did the strike get there?

2. which targets are we hitting?

re: #160 logboy

Infantry, 11B. I ran patrols in Southern Iraq for 5 months before rotating out to escort supply convoys around the country. I was on the road in gun trucks the whole time I was there.

brother!

Harmony Church
B-9-2
7Jan/14Apr83

re: #161 BlueCanuck

Well, he dropped the wrench on four this evening that were posting trash in the ben stein thread.

well, they need to be replaced... we can't have unemployed trolls, or 500 million more Americans will lose their j*bs again this month.

/white smoke

February 5th in history:

1900 - The United States and the United Kingdom sign treaty for Panama Canal
1917 - The current constitution of Mexico is adopted, establishing a federal republic with powers separated into independent executive, legislative, and judicial branches
1918 - Stephen W. Thompson shot down a German airplane. It was the first aerial victory by the U.S. military.
1919 - Charlie Chaplin, Mary Pickford, Douglas Fairbanks, and D.W. Griffith launch United Artists.
1934 - Hank Aaron was born.
1941 - Stephen J. Cannell was born.
1958 - A hydrogen bomb known as the Tybee Bomb is lost by the US Air Force off the coast of Savannah, Georgia, never to be recovered.
1962 - Jennifer Jason Leigh was born.
1969 - Bobby Brown was born.
1974 - John Murtha becomes the first Vietnam War veteran elected to the Congress of the United States.

re: #162 abaleh

Thanks (-;

de nada... it's all part of the free service.

Evolution news!

Rosie o'Donnell's ancestor discovered:

Gigantic 45ft snake that could swallow a cow discovered by fossil hunters

A killer snake that was longer than a bus, as heavy as a small car and which could swallow an animal the size of a cow, has been discovered by scientists.

The 45ft long monster - named Titanoboa - was so big that it lived on a diet of crocodiles and giant turtles, squeezing them to death and devouring them whole.

Oh, and it was so large it appears to have caused "Global Warming":

The size of the snake showed that conditions were around 10C hotter than today - around 30 to 34C on average.

Al Gore couldn't be reached for comment.

re: #163 redc1c4

1. plausible deniability... how else did the strike get there?

2. which targets are we hitting?

I remember reading an analysis a few months ago that in order to bypass the US forces in Iraq, the IAF could use either a northern route over Syria and Turkey, or a souther route over the Red Sea and Saudi Arabia.

re: #168 Spiritualized

Evolution news!

Rosie o'Donnell's ancestor discovered:

Gigantic 45ft snake that could swallow a cow discovered by fossil hunters

If it's Rosie o'Donnell's ancestor, then the words "cow" and "snake" have obviously been switched with each other.
;)

re: #168 Spiritualized

Did the snake have it's own god-awful talk show or variety show?

re: #168 Spiritualized

Evolution news!

Rosie o'Donnell's ancestor discovered:

Gigantic 45ft snake that could swallow a cow discovered by fossil hunters

Al Gore couldn't be reached for comment.

for it to be Rosie's relative, wouldn't it have to be a giant cow?

/white smoke

re: #163 redc1c4

which targets are we hitting?

Ay, there's the rub. The f*ckers learned the lesson of Osirak and have buried and distributed the work sites. Here's some pics to ponder.

re: #169 abaleh

I remember reading an analysis a few months ago that in order to bypass the US forces in Iraq, the IAF could use either a northern route over Syria and Turkey, or a souther route over the Red Sea and Saudi Arabia.

1. that's a long way to fly, and how are they going to get tanker assets out there without being detected?

2. there's a shitpot of potential targets, so i hope they have hard intel on what to strike. getting the wrong ones would be almost as bad as doing nothing.

re: #163 redc1c4

1. plausible deniability... how else did the strike get there?

2. which targets are we hitting?

Your map backed up my Turkey theory. Its probably the safest route, and the fastest route to the Tehran. Iran's military is no joke though. When I mentioned to a visiting Army Officer that our little desert outpost was only 26 miles from Iran (according to my GPS), he told me "You're not the only one who thinks about that. If we get attacked, I recommend you try to get to Kuwait." And no, he wasn't joking.

re: #170 gmsc

If it's Rosie o'Donnell's ancestor, then the words "cow" and "snake" have obviously been switched with each other.
;)

re: #172 redc1c4

for it to be Rosie's relative, wouldn't it have to be a giant cow?

/white smoke

GMTA!

fruitcup! coime n get it ya lazy bastids!

Whatever happened to Rosie's 'variety' show? I bet that's deader than a fossilized 45ft snake.

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

re: #175 logboy

Your map backed up my Turkey theory. Its probably the safest route, and the fastest route to the Tehran. Iran's military is no joke though. When I mentioned to a visiting Army Officer that our little desert outpost was only 26 miles from Iran (according to my GPS), he told me "You're not the only one who thinks about that. If we get attacked, I recommend you try to get to Kuwait." And no, he wasn't joking.

"run away" is always a valid tactical option...

re: #179 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Yummy! Thanks!

re: #178 Fenway_Nation

Whatever happened to Rosie's 'variety' show? I bet that's deader than a fossilized 45ft snake.

she ran out of tube tops to wear on it, so they canceled...

/brain bleach

re: #181 gmsc

Yummy! Thanks!

enjoy the side effects!

gmsc! :-)

I think I'll mix some of red's fruitcup in with mine today...

re: #183 redc1c4

enjoy the side effects!

I am the lizard king!

///

i was gonna go to bed early again tonight... youze is evil.

hasta y'all...

L8r!

re: #184 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

I think I'll mix some of red's fruitcup in with mine today...

(should i tell her it's that way everyday? %-)

/naw...

re: #179 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

{lol} Thanks for fruitcup

re: #180 redc1c4

"run away" is always a valid tactical option...

To put things in perspective, load the map below. Find Basrah in the Southeast corner, then the little village of Zubayr next to it. Thats how close I was to Iran for five months. I chatted with a few of the local Iraqis from that village. They all said there were British Soldiers on the border watching the Iranian side.

When you're 12 guys in the middle of the desert with only three humvees, "run away" is the only tactical option.

Map.

From Glenn Reynolds:

L.A. TIMES: Will Leon Panetta be the next body under Obama’s bus? Getting kinda crowded down there. More at The Swamp. The White House doesn’t sound worried . . . but, then, they weren’t worried about Daschle, either.

Good morning littleoldlady, night red.

Erik! :-)

Goodnight, red! :-)

/it's not that way on days that BlueCanuck is on patrol...

Speaking of the devil ;-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

Aribert Heim, one of the most wanted Nazi criminals, has been dead since 1992, German's ZDF television reports...The German TV channel also said Heim had converted to Islam. [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...] The Nazi converted to Islam? Knock me over with a feather.

re: #194 MrPaulRevere
Was nothing more than a lateral move.

I deposited some money in my bank and received a free toaster. Now normally, that's well and fine, but this is a bank that has received TARP funds. To which of Obama's czars should I reported this misuse of public funds?

/

Thanks for the fruitcup littleoldlady!

re: #194 MrPaulRevere

13th Hanjar SS Division, anyone? Best Worst of both worlds...

MrPaulRevere! :-)

Bon appetit! ;-)

re: #198 Fenway_Nation

The connection between Nazism and radical Islam has been buried. Nothing to see here, move along /

Scary thought for the day:

Remember Jennifer Jason Leigh from Fast Times at Ridgemont High, as that cute and sexy young thing?

Today, she's celebrating her 47th birthday.

re: #201 gmsc

Go ahead, make me feel older then I really am. :p

re: #201 gmsc

Whatever happened to Spicolli?

re: #202 BlueCanuck

Go ahead, make me feel older then I really am. :p

OK, here you go!

///

re: #201 gmsc

Her Dad Vic Morrow was an old fashioned star, I loved him in the 'Combat' TV series. We need more Vic Morrows, and fewer Matt Damons.

re: #204 gmsc

Hey, I already give the old guy speech to some of my friends. Best line I ever used? I was running around playing silly bugger in the army, while you were still in diapers.

/sad part is that with some of them it's true.

re: #203 Fenway_Nation

Whatever happened to Spicolli?

Well, according to Ace:

The Ultimate Insult: Three Stooges Remake with Johnny Depp and... Sean Penn?

Ah, Sean Penn. The man practically drips comedy. Although I admit his scenery-chewing saliva-slinging bug-eyed Spazzmoid stroke-acting is occasionally kinda funny, accidentally.

Since Spicoli, the only funny thing to come out of his mouth was Dennis Kucinich's dick.

I don't even like the Stooges -- to be fair, I've seen like two of their shorts, total -- but I'm going to say right now this completely ruins my non-memories of them.

Thanks to Maetenloch.

Seriously... Is it just me or is Sean Penn out-acted by Michael J. Fox here? (NSFW due to language)

Youtube Video

Is that all there is to acting? Inarticulate yelling and making retard-faces?

I guess so. But how come that doesn't work for Stallone?

When are the Israeli elections?

/anybody?

Great. Spicoli broke the thread.

re: #207 gmsc

Sean Penn is the prototypical 'red diaper baby'...just look at his fathers biography...Leo Penn: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] was a political supporter of communism and advocated U.S. neutrality in the war in Europe during the period of time where the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact created a non-aggression pact between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany

re: #208 littleoldlady

When are the Israeli elections?

/anybody?

February 10, 2009

re: #210 MrPaulRevere

Sean Penn is the prototypical 'red diaper baby'...just look at his fathers biography...Leo Penn: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] was a political supporter of communism and advocated U.S. neutrality in the war in Europe during the period of time where the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact created a non-aggression pact between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany

No wonder he broke the thread!

re: #212 gmsc

What a country we live in, where whack jobs are elevated to hero status!

re: #211 gmsc

Aha. Thanks! :-)

I think the Interesting Level of world affairs is about to get...more interesting.

re: #214 littleoldlady

Aha. Thanks! :-)

I think the Interesting Level of world affairs is about to get...more interesting.

You're welcome.

What's that old Chinese curse again?
;)

re: #215 gmsc

Don't you even dare. That thing is loaded, and just compounds previous ones.

re: #168 Spiritualized I'm Curious why it was given the name it was given rather than keeping with tradition in the other giant american snakes and calling it an anaconda. The 2 known modern anacondas the Green and yellow have long been thought to have a giant relative either still living or recently extinct. The 3rd subspecies of anaconda Sucuri Giganticus has long been postulated and vertebrae from the New Titanoboa are built on the same lines. Anacondas are a Branch of the Boa Constrictor tree tho.

re: #217 Rustler
Colonel Percy Fawcett Is said to have killed a 62 foot anaconda sometime around 1906. A living Titanoboa? A drastic overexageration? Just your average fish Tale?

re: #207 gmsc

They said his (acting) methods were unsound.

I couldn't see any method at all.

===

From any of them.

IT'S
ALL
BAD,
R

Silly poems:

"I loved two girls,
at a time.
Kate and Edith,
both were mine.
I found out what they say is true,
You can't have your Kate and Edith, too."

---

"When I was a younger man,
every night, I kissed a strange girl...
When I was a younger man,
every night, I kissed a strange girl...
...the same girl...
...but she was strange...
...she said she really liked my eyes,
then one night,
she took them home.
I know that I shall never find,
another girl with eyes like mine.
The moral of the story's clear,
think twice before you lend and ear."

re: #201 gmsc

Don't forget number 5. The most important one.

What? Is Erik MIA?

re: #222 littleoldlady

What? Is Erik MIA?

Hi lol. Did my allocation for the day. Up thread and down stairs.

re: #223 Erik The Red

The library called, they want their joke book back. :)

re: #223 Erik The Red

Hi lol. Did my allocation for the day. Up thread and down stairs.

...in his nightgown!

re: #215 gmsc

You're welcome.

What's that old Chinese curse again?
;)

"May you live in interesting times"

Morning all!
If it 's going to be this cold, I want some snow!

I'm off to bed now. Good night, all!

re: #226 jim in virginia

"May you live in interesting times"

Morning all!
If it 's going to be this cold, I want some snow!

If you want, we can send you some of ours.

Night gmsc. Weet dreams.

re: #208 littleoldlady

When are the Israeli elections?

/anybody?

Is Benji gonna kick 40,000 out of their homes compared to Leavni's 60,000?

A giant snake pic taken by a Belgian pilot over the congo.

Erik! :-)

The early bird catches the joke...

'Night, gmsc! :-)

{My Rove}! :-)

You didn't get snow? We did. Let me ship you some.

From a lawhawk link in the spinoffs: Thousands protest global warming.

re: #228 BlueCanuck
I'll take about four inches. Just on the yards, though, none on the streets and sidewalks.
Can you deliver it by Saturday?

re: #231 Rustler

Pic was used in Arthur C. Clarks Unexplained mysteries.

re: #232 littleoldlady
Blue Canuck is sending some. I don't want that nasty Philly snow. Clean, fresh, Canadian snow! (Get your imports now before we pass Smoot Hawley again. )

re: #233 jim in virginia

I will see what I can do. Transport may be a bit of a problem. . . .

re: #235 jim in virginia

Okay, if that's how you feel.

[sniff!]

/ours comes with cheesesteaks, though...

good morning all

Russia Says Aid and Base Not Linked

Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin denied any link between Moscow's decision to give Kyrgyzstan aid worth more than $2 billion and Bishkek's decision to close a U.S. air base.

"That was the sovereign and very well-thought-over decision of the Kyrgyz leader,"...

A case of mistaken coincidence, I'm sure.

British Council suspends work in Iran

The British Council said Thursday that it has suspended work in Iran because of what it calls intimidation by the authorities there.

The cultural arm of the British government said in a statement that it halted operations after "cases of intimidation of our local staff in Iran."

The council said all 16 of its local staff had been summoned to a meeting at the Iranian president's office in December and told to resign.

Boy...we're moving right along. Good thing we've got the Hype'm & Short-Change'm crew on-top-of-it all.

Mornin folks, Lol :-), Blue, Jim, red, akak, gmsc, Rustler...all.

re: #239 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Morning

re: #238 NYCHardhat
Morning

NYCHardhat! :-)

aboo! :-)

I'm not volunteering to cut THIS ONE'S nails!
(cat video) [Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

Rustler, thats a very ugly tie you have on. It might

offend

someone.
/sarc

I love boobies but This is sick

re: #244 ploome hineni
Same exact reaction I had.
I'm not poor but I get to experience mosquitos.

nonic! :-)

I thought he was going to stick the fork into that kitteh!

ploomie! :-)

re: #246 Erik The Red

Exploding breasts. Wow.
Where do people get the money to do crap like this? I assume her insurance didn't cover it.

hmmm Bomb critically wounds head of Ark. medical board

A car bomb explosion critically wounded the head of the Arkansas panel that licenses and disciplines doctors, detonating in his driveway as he was leaving for work, authorities said.

Police said they had no idea why someone would target Dr. Trent P. Pierce, chairman of the Arkansas State Medical Board. The explosive device placed on or near the car shattered the front of his white Lexus hybrid in a blast the police chief said could be heard a mile away.

Good morning, Lizards.

re: #246 Erik The Red

Ummm, before I click that link. Is it safe for work?

re: #251 goddessoftheclassroom
Morning Goddess