Barack Obama Sets Up Straw Men, Knocks ‘Em Down in the Washington Post

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Barack Obama promotes his gigantic spending bill in the Washington Post, with a string of straw man attacks against critics: Barack Obama - The Action Americans Need.

In recent days, there have been misguided criticisms of this plan that echo the failed theories that helped lead us into this crisis — the notion that tax cuts alone will solve all our problems…

I have not heard of a single person who says “tax cuts alone” are the solution.

… that we can meet our enormous tests with half-steps and piecemeal measures…

Who has ever said this? Who would say such a ridiculous thing?

… that we can ignore fundamental challenges such as energy independence and the high cost of health care and still expect our economy and our country to thrive.

“Ignore energy independence and health care?” Again, where can I find the pundits who write these things? Because I read a lot of political opinion pieces, and I don’t recall ever seeing such a viewpoint advocated.

This is the same kind of empty, false rhetoric he employed in his campaign—attacking stances that no one has espoused, and no one even would espouse. The very definition of a straw man argument.

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560 comments
1 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:58:38am

The best part is that the crisis is so intense that Obama and his writing staff were able to ignore it and work on an advocacy piece in the Post. 'course, it's hard to read it online if you live in, say, Kentucky and are literally freezing to death.

2 winston06  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:59:07am

Lenin would be proud!

3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:59:09am

Then we'll huff and we'll puff and we'll blow the straw house down.

4 stevieray  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:59:15am

When reality's too tough, fight the fantasy!

5 Randall Gross  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:59:34am

Definite straw men. Why doesn't he talk about reality? It might get him in hot water were he to do so.

6 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:59:34am

Ladies and Gentlemen, allow me to introduce our 44th president someone who will destroy America from within.

7 DeafDog  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:59:43am

Please refrain from politics on this bill. If it doesn't pass, the economy is doomed forever.
/

8 the_flying_pig  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:00:08am

We should make an actual Straw Man effigy and name him Barack Hussein Obama.

9 pink freud  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:00:15am

Obama strong, virile leadah! We lucky to have such fearless leadah!

/////////////

10 onslow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:00:31am

Never argue with a Harvard man.

11 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:00:46am

Energy Independence? Then why is his Administration canceling drilling all over the country?

12 2by2  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:00:50am

Charles, remember:
500 million Americans are loosing their jobs every day, and our President is just trying to find a solution, he might need a straw man or two in order to do this real quick.

13 MJ  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:01:21am

Unfortunately, he'll get all the help he needs in passing this bill from Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe:

Centrists in Senate Push to Cut Billions From Stimulus

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

14 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:01:23am

Wow - such CHANGE! Such a transformation of Washington politics!

/ this should surprise no one - Obama was tied with Dick Durbin as the 4th most partisan Senator. Where is this info from? The Washington Post!

15 pegcity  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:01:27am

I can't believe this guy is president.

The next 4 years are gonna be soooooo long

16 DeafDog  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:01:28am

re: #10 onslow

Never argue with a Harvard man.

Oh shewa, like you went Hah-vahd.

17 nikis-knight  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:01:32am
that we can ignore fundamental challenges such as energy independence and the high cost of health care and still expect our economy and our country to thrive.

I think the government could ignore these things and we would thrive.
I'd prefer tax cuts alone to waste that will do more harm than good (by bringing debt, inflation, and incentivising the wrong economic activities).

18 DaddyG  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:01:46am

The One is a world class master-debater.

19 iceman1960  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:01:55am

My God this is going to be a long 4 years!

20 Muadib  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:02:10am

Hopium of the Asses.

With Socialism, we're all equally screwed.

21 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:02:22am

At least we'll be safe from those ever-threatening straw men.

22 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:02:25am

We mostly agree on the problems, it is the solutions we disagree with.
Especially since the ones 0bama and the Democrats are proposing have failed every time something similar has been tried.

If they were in a boat with a hole in it, they'd try to drill another one.
"If you drill another hole, we'll sink faster!"
"But if we don't do something, we're DOOMED! Let me drill the hole!"

23 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:02:27am

"Issues are never simple. One thing I'm proud of is that very rarely will you hear me simplify the issues."

The Pocket Obama (c) 2008

24 Fritz_Katz  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:02:28am

re: #7 DeafDog

Please refrain from politics on this bill. If it doesn't pass, the economy is doomed forever.
/

Hope that final slash was a '/sarc' tag.

If Obama's porkulus bill passes, the economy is doomed forever.

25 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:02:29am

re: #19 iceman1960

My God this is going to be a long 4 years!

Are we almost there yet?

26 dhg4  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:02:48am

re: #11 Nevergiveup

Energy Independence? Then why is his Administration canceling drilling all over the country?

All over the country, or just in Utah?

27 jcm  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:03:07am

This bill will be worse than doing nothing.

28 DeafDog  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:03:43am

re: #24 Fritz_Katz

Hope that final slash was a '/sarc' tag.

If Obama's porkulus bill passes, the economy is doomed forever.

Only my editor know for sure (but it probably is)

29 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #1 Diamond Bullet

The best part is that the crisis is so intense that Obama and his writing staff were able to ignore it and work on an advocacy piece in the Post. 'course, it's hard to read it online if you live in, say, Kentucky and are literally freezing to death.

Yeah, did you go to see Obama yesterday when he visited there to view the damage caused by the storms?

What? He didn't?

Well FEMA must be responding quickly and vigorously? No? FIRE MICHAEL BROWN!

He's not?

...well I'm sure the press will be excoriating Obama over this on tomorrow's front pages...

30 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:03:51am

re: #26 dhg4

All over the country, or just in Utah?

So far just in Utah but the article I read said that they were closely examining doing it elsewhere also.

31 Keyboard  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:03:57am

Obama scares me because 1.) he has a great PR campaign, and 2.) people swallow it without question. I am always amazed how anyone can be head-over-heels about someone that is all talk and has no significant accomplishments behind him...

32 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:04:10am

re: #9 pink freud

Obama strong, virile leadah! We lucky to have such fearless leadah!

/////////////

Is that you, Boris Badenov, or Natasha Fatale?

There was a movie version of Rocky and Bullwinkle a few years ago. In it, Fearless Leader invents something that uses TV to make people so dumb they'll vote for him for President.
Reality meets bad fiction.

33 jaunte  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:04:27am

...we can't afford to stand idly by in the soup lines while underprivileged families struggle without their television upgrades...

34 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:04:32am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

"Issues are never simple. One thing I'm proud of is that very rarely will you hear me simplify the issues."

The Pocket Obama (c) 2008

Is this one in there?

"People say I'm cool."

35 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:04:37am

It's an amazing sight: one straw man fighting another.

36 iceman1960  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:04:44am

Hey Obama I see you're trying to take it directly to the people like Reagan did.
The difference is Reagan knew what he was doing and had great ideas.

37 reggie  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:04:45am

Obama. Right WRONG from day-one.

/fixed.

38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:04:54am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

We need a daily "Pocket Obama Primer" quote.

39 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:05:02am

re: #27 jcm

This bill will be worse than doing nothing.

Not according to a lot of the economic pundits. They are just lining up waiting for the hand outs. I can barely find a financial advisor that doesn't have good things to say about this. We even hear that here, on LGF.

Is that any wonder?

40 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:05:05am

re: #15 pegcity

I can't believe this guy is president.

The next 4 years are gonna be soooooo long

That's 4,000,000 years in Pelosi math. It will seem that long, I fear.

41 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:05:20am

Well it is now clear - the resources saved with the Terrorism Stimulus Package will be committed to the War On Strawmen!

42 jaunte  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:05:30am

re: #31 Keyboard

Obama scares me because 1.) he has a great PR campaign, and 2.) people swallow it without question. I am always amazed how anyone can be head-over-heels about someone that is all talk and has no significant accomplishments behind him...

"He's so cool, I don't even need to understand what he's saying!"

43 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:05:40am

I know this is anecdotal, not empirical, but I'd bet many of the people who voted for Obama don't even know what a "straw man" is, or any of the logical fallacies usually taught in logic or philosophy courses. If he says it, and it sounds right, it must be true.

Even if it's no more than the Big Lie.

44 Tumulus11  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:05:43am

. On behalf of all strawmen, I demand more half-steps and piecemeal measures.
/

45 WitchDoctor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:05:58am

Where's Mandy's thank you to all the conservatives who stayed home? Just put it at the top of every obama thread :)

46 MJ  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:05:59am

The Democrats were the same folks who complained the Bush "rushed to War" in Iraq ( after voting for it ).

Now we are being told we must "rush to spend".


And I thought the Senate was suppose to be the "Deliberative body".

47 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:06:04am

re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We need a daily "Pocket Obama Primer" quote.

Seconded (or thirded or whatever, depending on how many Lizards applauded this before me ...)

48 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:06:05am

re: #44 Tumulus11

. On behalf of all strawmen, I demand more half-steps and piecemeal measures.
/

And you shall have them.

49 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:06:22am

Two weeks in and Obama's already completely over his head.

I'm sorry to say it but we are screwed.

50 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:06:47am

re: #27 jcm

This bill will be worse than doing nothing.

(full disclosure: ... Without having studied the stimulus bill's details...) my gut says this bill is, for some reason, incredibly important to Obama, because he's fighting so hard for it.

/I do NOT trust the motive

51 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:06:52am

re: #31 Keyboard

Obama scares me because 1.) he has a great PR campaign, and 2.) people swallow it without question. I am always amazed how anyone can be head-over-heels about someone that is all talk and has no significant accomplishments behind him...

and perhaps the scariest of all 3.) the mainstream media is 100% in the bag for him, and won't investigate and write what needs to be said in order for the citizens to make and informed decision.

52 KibbyKat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:07:16am

OT: AP says Ruth Bader Ginsberg is having surgery for pancreatic cancer. I don't like her views, but I'll pray for her.

53 notutopia  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:07:17am

He's taking a match to the straw men...well, obviously he is singular in his goal and mission for this bogus stimulus plan. I say NO more spending of "fiat money" that we don't have already printed.

54 Macker  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:07:18am

re: #32 Kosh's Shadow

Is that you, Boris Badenov, or Natasha Fatale?

There was a movie version of Rocky and Bullwinkle a few years ago. In it, Fearless Leader invents something that uses TV to make people so dumb they'll vote for him for President.
Reality meets bad fiction.

Hey, what'd you think of that movie? I didn't think it was so bad....

55 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:07:37am

re: #49 Ringo the Gringo

Two weeks in and Obama's already completely over his head.

I'm sorry to say it but we are screwed.

I'm feeling like a goat in Talibanistan.

56 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:07:38am

re: #52 KibbyKat

OT: AP says Ruth Bader Ginsberg is having surgery for pancreatic cancer. I don't like her views, but I'll pray for her.

Same.

57 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:07:48am
58 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:08:11am
59 Macker  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:08:15am

re: #46 MJ

Just like Bank of America got rushed to acquire Merrill Lynch. THAT pisses me off!

60 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:08:21am

re: #50 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(full disclosure: ... Without having studied the stimulus bill's details...) my gut says this bill is, for some reason, incredibly important to Obama, because he's fighting so hard for it.

/I do NOT trust the motive

I think the motive should be pretty clear. The larger he can grow individual and corporate dependence on government, the more dependent the voting populace becomes on the democrat party. Permanent majority is the goal.

61 thefallingman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:08:21am
the notion that tax cuts alone will solve all our problems


But raising taxes will help solve them?

62 reggie  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:08:22am

re: #35 Guanxi88

It's an amazing sight: one straw man fighting another.


"man"? I see no man.

63 DeafDog  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:08:38am

re: #50 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(full disclosure: ... Without having studied the stimulus bill's details...) my gut says this bill is, for some reason, incredibly important to Obama, because he's fighting so hard for it.

/I do NOT trust the motive


It's increadibly important to O because it commits spending to all of the left-wing programs and locks that spending in for years.

If he does nothing and the economy starts improving, then the chance to fool the American people into the necessity of the spending goes away.

64 nikis-knight  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:08:39am

re: #43 subsailor68

I know this is anecdotal, not empirical, but I'd bet many of the people who voted for Obama don't even know what a "straw man" is, or any of the logical fallacies usually taught in logic or philosophy courses. If he says it, and it sounds right, it must be true.

Even if it's no more than the Big Lie.

Remember Howard Stern or someone like that was asking Obama voters things like "Do you support Obama because he vows to stay in Iraq, or because he is pro-life?" and they replied, "Well, both." Not knowing basic reasoning isn't an issue when you aren't paying attention to anything beyond the image in the first place.

65 jorline  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:08:44am

Lindsey's growing a pair.

Graham Says Obama Is 'AWOL' on Stimulus Debate

Sen Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., says the president has not been providing leadership and criticizes him for giving TV interviews and writing an editorial touting the package rather than addressing the complaints of lawmakers.

That's because Obama's a lot more comfortable in front of a camera and fielding softball questions while pitching his agenda.

Spring training is right around the corner.

66 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:08:50am

re: #55 Kosh's Shadow

I'm feeling like a goat in Talibanistan.

"They come by in the morning for milk and they come by in the evening for ..."

67 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:09:00am
68 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:09:01am

re: #54 Macker

Hey, what'd you think of that movie? I didn't think it was so bad....

I liked the Rocky and Bullwinkle movie, actually, even if the jokes were obvious. And all the in-jokes, like the "Whatsamatta U" infirmary being the "J Ward". (Jay Ward being the producer of the cartoon.)

69 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:09:10am

re: #64 nikis-knight

Remember Howard Stern or someone like that was asking Obama voters things like "Do you support Obama because he vows to stay in Iraq, or because he is pro-life?" and they replied, "Well, both." Not knowing basic reasoning isn't an issue when you aren't paying attention to anything beyond the image in the first place.

Great example!

70 the_flying_pig  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:09:33am

re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sold out, you know. The History Project is probably printing out the 9th edition by now.

71 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:09:38am

re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We need a daily "Pocket Obama Primer" quote.

First off, I've been doing that since yesterday. It is amazing that there is a appropriate quotation from our Chairman for almost any issue that may come up.

I don't think there is going to be any trouble in solving out nations problems. With this many inspiring sayings, we should be able to calm ourselves no matter what comes our way.

I'm glad I have my "Pocket Obama." And you can get yours too, at...

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

72 dhg4  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:09:41am

I think it was awfully cynical to put it in the Post. It wasn't really addressed to the American people as much as to the 535 Americans who populate Congress.

73 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:09:42am

re: #60 eschew_obfuscation

I think the motive should be pretty clear. The larger he can grow individual and corporate dependence on government, the more dependent the voting populace becomes on the democrat party. Permanent majority is the goal.

*rimshot*

74 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:10:04am

re: #65 jorline

Lindsey's growing a pair.

Graham Says Obama Is 'AWOL' on Stimulus Debate

That's because Obama's a lot more comfortable in front of a camera and fielding softball questions while pitching his agenda.

Spring training is right around the corner.

Or visiting a 2nd grade classroom.

75 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:10:12am

re: #62 reggie

"man"? I see no man.

We need to break the "straw ceiling"! Let's get some straw women into the fight!

76 Athos  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:10:24am

re: #58 ploome hineni

disaster

Particularly since the ramifications will last decades....

77 jcm  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:10:24am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Not according to a lot of the economic pundits. They are just lining up waiting for the hand outs. I can barely find a financial advisor that doesn't have good things to say about this. We even hear that here, on LGF.

Is that any wonder?

The same group that got us into this is saying they can get you out.

It's like asking Teddy to drive you home from the canal.

Is everyone that historically & economically ignorant, or is the smell of hamburgers today and pay on Tuesday too strong?

78 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:10:51am
79 redstateredneck  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:11:17am

re: #69 subsailor68

Great example!

Those same people also approved of his choice of Sarah Palin as V-P. No clue whatsoever.

80 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:11:21am

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

First off, I've been doing that since yesterday. It is amazing that there is a appropriate quotation from our Chairman for almost any issue that may come up.

I don't think there is going to be any trouble in solving out nations problems. With this many inspiring sayings, we should be able to calm ourselves no matter what comes our way.

I'm glad I have my "Pocket Obama." And you can get yours too, at...

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

OK, I think the 0bama administration has released the pods; one of them got Walter.

81 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:11:22am

I had Fox on in the kitchen. As I was passing by to the laundry room, I heard CBBHO say something about children's libraries. As I passed back by a few moments later, I heard him say something about clean energy. Did I mishear or did he really say that? What do either have to do "stimulating the economy" or with each other?

82 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:11:28am

re: #10 onslow
To the contrary, ALWAYS argue with a Harvard Man.

83 the_flying_pig  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:11:51am

re: #75 eschew_obfuscation

Mud-bath fight contest?

84 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:11:58am

I'm for the Grey Davis amendment.

85 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:12:03am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Talking to the President is like talking to AWOL?

LOL! "Something there is that doesn't love AWOL," - Robert Frost

86 jcm  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:12:05am

re: #50 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(full disclosure: ... Without having studied the stimulus bill's details...) my gut says this bill is, for some reason, incredibly important to Obama, because he's fighting so hard for it.

/I do NOT trust the motive

I don't think the stimulus is the goal. It's getting the State's foot in the door in many new sectors of the economy. Once the foot is in the rest will work it's way in until we have a full blown socialist state.

87 Athos  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:12:05am

re: #72 dhg4

I think it was awfully cynical to put it in the Post. It wasn't really addressed to the American people as much as to the 535 Americans who populate Congress.

It was addressed to scare the sh*t out of 300 million Americans - and get them to call their 535 in DC to pass the crapola bill.

88 nikis-knight  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:12:07am

re: #63 DeafDog

It's increadibly important to O because it commits spending to all of the left-wing programs and locks that spending in for years.

If he does nothing and the economy starts improving, then the chance to fool the American people into the necessity of the spending goes away.


As Rahm Emmanuel put it, never let a crisis go to waste.

Check out [Link: www.nationalreview.com...] front page for an idea of how they are using this "crisis".

89 Catttt  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:12:10am
This is the same kind of empty, false rhetoric he employed in his campaign—attacking stances that no one has espoused, and no one even would espouse.

Yes, but the rise of the oceans began to slow. Right? /

90 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:12:14am

re: #77 jcm

The same group that got us into this is saying they can get you out.

It's like asking Teddy to drive you home from the canal.

Is everyone that historically & economically ignorant, or is the smell of hamburgers today and pay on Tuesday too strong?

Are you saying US citizens are Wimpy?

91 MJ  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:12:17am

The Washington Post is on a roll today. Their David Ignatius wants to send Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft to Tehran to negotiate our surrender:

The advantage of sending these two distinguished senior statesmen is that they would make it harder for the Iranians to play political games. Brzezinski and Scowcroft are part of what I call "the great chain of being" of American foreign policy. Their presence as emissaries would signal that engagement with Iran is a matter of the greatest seriousness to the United States, equivalent to their predecessor Henry Kissinger's secret diplomacy with China in 1971. Perhaps most important, the two would have the confidence to walk away from the talks if they made no progress.

One of the few things Brzezinski and Scowcroft disagreed about was whether the initial contacts with Iran should be open (Brzezinski's view) or secret (Scowcroft's preference). Both believe that America's emissaries must meet with an Iranian representative who is close to the supreme religious leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

I'm biased. I like Brzezinski and Scowcroft, and I don't know anyone who thinks more clearly about foreign policy. If they did become President Obama's emissaries, they should take along someone who could coordinate the dialogue and its aftermath. Dennis Ross, expected to be the State Department's senior adviser on Iran, could play that role.

This one matters, and President Obama would be wise to send the A-team.

92 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:12:45am

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

First off, I've been doing that since yesterday. It is amazing that there is a appropriate quotation from our Chairman for almost any issue that may come up.

I don't think there is going to be any trouble in solving out nations problems. With this many inspiring sayings, we should be able to calm ourselves no matter what comes our way.

I'm glad I have my "Pocket Obama." And you can get yours too, at...

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

OR, if you need more than a single copy in order to make sure your friends are up-to-date, you may purchase this incredible and inspirational book in batches of 10, for only $49.50.

93 pegcity  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:12:58am

re: #86 jcm

I don't think the stimulus is the goal. It's getting the State's foot in the door in many new sectors of the economy. Once the foot is in the rest will work it's way in until we have a full blown socialist state.

get ready for crown corporations.

its so fun having the governement own everything, just ask canadians, i love paying the gov for gas and liquor and insurance

94 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:05am

It's more like independence from energy. We need to become pure, earth-friendly, and egalitarian by rejecting Western industrial society and return to our paleolithic hunter-gatherer roots.

re: #11 Nevergiveup

Energy Independence? Then why is his Administration canceling drilling all over the country?

95 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:10am

re: #59 Macker

Well, there was the Fed pushing Citibank to buy Wachovia when Wells Fargo had an offer on the table and didn't need fed money to make happen.

That pissed me off, especially knowing that Citi was in dismal fiscal shape.

96 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:12am

re: #65 jorline

Spring training is right around the corner.

:D ... that just gave me a mental image of Obama with Whiffle balls.

/leaving the metaphor dangling

97 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:26am

re: #79 redstateredneck

Those same people also approved of his choice of Sarah Palin as V-P. No clue whatsoever.

Uh oh...

Grenade!

:-)

98 KenJen  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:31am

I cant wait for the day , four years from now, when I can refer to The One as The One-termer

99 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #91 MJ

The Washington Post is on a roll today. Their David Ignatius wants to send Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft to Tehran to negotiate our surrender:

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

100 faraway  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:40am

OT: Socialism Alert

Obama's new Presidential Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships head is Joshua DuBois who is being portrayed primarily as a former mainstream pastor. (Actually an 'associate pastor' in a 'tiny' church while he was in college.

However, Mr. DuBois is nothing more than an Ayers' style agitator and a young version of Rev Wright.

He received a degree in Political Science in 2003 and a masters in public affairs in 2005. Since then, he worked in politics - for Charlie Rangel and Obama as a Senate aide.

He worked for several years for Sojourners, a 'Communist' black liberation theology community organizing group.

Sojourners is part of the Presidential Advisory Council.

101 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:42am

Moreover, how does this help their kids?

102 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:44am
103 Land Shark  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:46am

Well folks, it's time for me to buy a "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain shirt."

Does anyone one know if we can start a petition to recall Obama? Seriously, can it even be done? I'm just asking, 'cause I don't think the nation can take 4 years of this high level of incompetence.

104 DaddyG  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:13:59am

re: #31 Keyboard

...I am always amazed how anyone can be head-over-heels about someone that is all talk and has no significant accomplishments behind him...

That's because he is a blank slate to which they can pin their hopes (rational or not) without having to worry about any actual facts or history. A kind of variation on psychological projection.

105 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:14:01am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Talking to the President is like talking to AWOL?

When Lindsay Graham and Susan Collins are not happy with a spending bill, you're bill might be in trouble.

106 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:14:02am

re: #77 jcm

The same group that got us into this is saying they can get you out.

It's like asking Teddy to drive you home from the canal.

Is everyone that historically & economically ignorant, or is the smell of hamburgers today and pay on Tuesday too strong?

Do you listen to the radio, every investment company that advertises on the radio has developed ads tailored to sound like the stimulus will be helping the economy out and so it's a good time to invest.

It's a scam, and IMHO, anyone that posts on LGF tooting the great advantages of the stock market, or bragging about how it closed up 2 points or future this looks good and future that looks good, that person is tap dancing.

My opinion, I may be full of shit and don't even know it.

107 nikis-knight  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #87 Athos

It was addressed to scare the sh*t out of 300 million Americans - and get them to call their 535 in DC to pass the crapola bill.

Not to mention the other 200 million unemployed!

108 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #96 pre-Boomer Marine brat

:D ... that just gave me a mental image of Obama with Whiffle balls.

/leaving the metaphor dangling

One should watch their participles, while dangling.

I know, nothing to do with the subject save a single word, but that makes me chuckle.

109 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #86 jcm

I don't think the stimulus is the goal. It's getting the State's foot in the door in many new sectors of the economy. Once the foot is in the rest will work it's way in until we have a full blown socialist state.

Precisely.

110 DeafDog  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #91 MJ

The Washington Post is on a roll today. Their David Ignatius wants to send Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft to Tehran to negotiate our surrender:

James Baker and Lee Hamilton are also available.

111 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #91 MJ

I have no problem sending Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft . I just don't want them back.

112 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:14:54am

re: #11 Nevergiveup

Energy Independence? Then why is his Administration canceling drilling all over the country?

Forget energy independence; think of the jobs that aren't being created because he's canned the drilling licenses in Utah. How many jobs would that be? How much state and local revenue lost? How many federal tax dollars aren't going to be collected because they've chosen to disallow the creation of jobs?

113 notutopia  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:14:54am

Poor Omaba, His Stimulus isn't catching on.
[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

114 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:14:55am
115 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:15:13am
... that we can ignore fundamental challenges such as energy independence and the high cost of health care and still expect our economy and our country to thrive.

What the hell have the Democrats done for energy independence except ensure that we never have it!

Just yesterday:
New Interior secretary scraps oil-and-gas leasing of Utah land near national parks

116 Athos  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:15:14am

re: #81 MandyManners

I had Fox on in the kitchen. As I was passing by to the laundry room, I heard CBBHO say something about children's libraries. As I passed back by a few moments later, I heard him say something about clean energy. Did I mishear or did he really say that? What do either have to do "stimulating the economy" or with each other?

There is very little, if anything, in this bill towards stimulating the economy beyond the lame / half measured $500 tax credit for those earning less than $75K annually. Fundamentally, this is the Democrat / Progressives taking advantage of an economic crisis that they substantially manufactured to forward their spending / entitlement agenda.......bribing the American voter with the voter's own money.

117 MJ  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:15:16am

re: #99 karmic_inquisitor

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

That's exactly my reaction as well, not only to idea, which is bad enough, but to the hero worship he gives to these two antisemites.

118 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:15:17am

re: #83 the_flying_pig

Mud-bath fight contest?

Or Jello?

119 jcm  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:15:20am

re: #90 Kosh's Shadow

Are you saying US citizens are Wimpy?

Sure seems that way doesn't it.

120 oronpam  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:15:28am

Obama, Biden, Reid, and Pelosi running the show, a random selection of tenth graders could do a way better job than these loons.

121 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:15:43am

re: #105 eschew_obfuscation

When Lindsay Graham and Susan Collins are not happy with a spending bill, you're bill might be in trouble.

They're quibbling about the fringes.... if they were really serious about cutting the pork from the bill, we'd see their marked up bill come in around $80-100 billion, not $50 billion off the now $900 billion porkfest.

122 UndeadLenin  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:15:50am
Lenin would be proud!

I'm not.

Although these Straw Men do sound like White Russian Fear mongering that the soviets woulda pulled off.

123 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:15:55am

And, at the risk of at least partially repeating myself (from today's dead thread):

People don't seem to realize - or worse yet CARE - that while it may be nice for some of us to be "taken care of" by the Governments (Fed, State, municipal and local) the price for that care is our personal FREEDOM. The majority of our Founding Fathers were rich men, yet they risked EVERYTHING THEY OWNED, and their lives and the lives of their families for the IDEA that the governed should do the governing - they threw the dice and risked being poor (if not found and "hung or bayoneted" as King George so quaintly put it) in exchange for Freedom.
We are definitely in retrograde mode these days. And it saddens me greatly and ANGERS me even more.

124 Irenike  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:15:55am

Americans have elected a celebrity, not a leader. The media will fawn all over President O and talk about how nice he looks in his suit, how intelligent he is, how wonderful he and his wife look on the cover of "People" magazine. The more intelligent journalists who could analyze his comments won't call him on his gaffes. They're too busy being sycophants.

Mainstream media press corps during a question-and-answer session: "Mr. President, we thought your answers on Iran, Israel, global warming and the budget were all wonderful. One last question. Where would you like us to line up so we can give you a blow job?"

125 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:16:02am

re: #100 faraway

OT: Socialism Alert

Obama's new Presidential Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships head is Joshua DuBois who is being portrayed primarily as a former mainstream pastor. (Actually an 'associate pastor' in a 'tiny' church while he was in college.

However, Mr. DuBois is nothing more than an Ayers' style agitator and a young version of Rev Wright.

He received a degree in Political Science in 2003 and a masters in public affairs in 2005. Since then, he worked in politics - for Charlie Rangel and Obama as a Senate aide.

He worked for several years for Sojourners, a 'Communist' black liberation theology community organizing group.

Sojourners is part of the Presidential Advisory Council.

Well, G-d damn! Maybe America isn't so bad.
/Rev. Wright mode off

126 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:16:18am

re: #98 KenJen

I cant wait for the day , four years from now, when I can refer to The One as The One-termer

I hope so. If this bill passes, we could be looking at the Obama Depression®.

/Might as well make him own it.

127 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:16:30am
128 Athos  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:16:48am

re: #91 MJ

If those were the two sent, they would do nothing but negotiate our surrender as they have no gravitas to bring Iran to a negotiating table or instill any modicum of fear in the Mad Mullahs and Ahmahwhackjob.

129 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:16:53am

re: #102 buzzsawmonkey

Why can't I just use my Whiffle?

Can we see right through his manhood?

130 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:17:15am

re: #80 Kosh's Shadow

OK, I think the 0bama administration has released the pods; one of them got Walter.

Nobody has got me, it's just that I am tired of complaining about the state of the world every day. Even the cover of the "Pocket Obama" is such a soothing blue color, it reminds me of, oh, I don't know, a breezy beach, a clear sky, the blue eyes of my perfect lover...

I mean, you got to get one of these things. You will understand, you will be with us.
/

131 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:17:26am
132 Macker  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:17:34am

re: #84 SasquatchOnSteroids

A National Recall?

133 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:17:37am

re: #103 Land Shark

Well folks, it's time for me to buy a "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain shirt."

Does anyone one know if we can start a petition to recall Obama? Seriously, can it even be done? I'm just asking, 'cause I don't think the nation can take 4 years of this high level of incompetence.

If the loony left could not "recall" Bush when his support was in the high 20's, you can't do it with Obama in the 60's. Impeachment is the only remedy, and neither did anything to warrant that.

134 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:17:53am
135 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:18:09am

re: #112 lawhawk

Forget energy independence; think of the jobs that aren't being created because he's canned the drilling licenses in Utah. How many jobs would that be? How much state and local revenue lost? How many federal tax dollars aren't going to be collected because they've chosen to disallow the creation of jobs?

I do wonder why the oil companies lease government land and don't develop it?

Is that just considered an investment that will pay off when oil prices get high enough?

Or just to tie up potential deposits so other companies can't use them?

Anyone more knowledgeable than I got ideas (that'll be most of you ;-) ?

136 notutopia  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:18:15am

re: #81 MandyManners
Mandy, Good Morning. I left some info on the bottom of the overnight thread for you.

137 dhg4  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:18:18am

re: #91 MJ

The Washington Post is on a roll today. Their David Ignatius wants to send Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft to Tehran to negotiate our surrender:

Yes that was brilliant. Note how Ignatius framed his column: Since Brzezinski and Scowcroft are from different parties and they agree, they must be right.

As I recall they were both against the surge, which worked out rather well. So why do they have any credibility. (And why does the guy promoting them have any credibility?)

138 faraway  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:18:29am

Obamaconomics ™

We have nothing to fear but Obama himself.

I see why Obama's Dad was a failed economist.

139 rrgg  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:18:33am

This reminds me of all the claims about "the candidate with the funny name" or face that doesn't look like US currency. No one ever complained about his name or his looks, certainly not other candidates. But Obama made it into a straw man and defended himself against it for all 2008. Sheesh..

140 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:18:41am

re: #133 avanti

If the loony left could not "recall" Bush when his support was in the high 20's, you can't do it with Obama in the 60's. Impeachment is the only remedy, and neither did anything to warrant that.

There is no recall in the Constitution of the United States.

Doesn't exist.

141 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:18:53am

re: #121 lawhawk

They're quibbling about the fringes.... if they were really serious about cutting the pork from the bill, we'd see their marked up bill come in around $80-100 billion, not $50 billion off the now $900 billion porkfest.

I thought Susan Collins was on the news last nite talking about $200 Billion in reductions?

142 jwb7605  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:18:57am

re: #127 ploome hineni

wait until they push through amnesty

and all the ILLEGALS VOTE AMERICA INTO SOCIALISM

Did you see my reply to you on the previous thread?

Your post got an upding.

143 MJ  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:19:06am

re: #110 DeafDog

James Baker and Lee Hamilton are also available.

I'm sure Obama will find a job for those two- perhaps lead an investigation into "Israeli war crimes"?

144 DaddyG  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:19:13am

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

Lay off the fluoridated tap water Walter.

145 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:19:30am

re: #103 Land Shark

In all honesty, I voted for him, but I can't say I would be terribly enthusiastic about how he would be in this situation either.

Recall him suspending his campaign?

As far as the shirts go, leave that to the liberals who feel they must show their faith in advertising, but in reality it is nothing more than empty rhetoric.

Petitions as well, are for these idiots. We already have a petition, it is called our vote. We lost. This is what we have.

Tell your representative, you will work for free if they oppose this crap, and if they don't, you will work for free for their next political opponent who will.

146 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:19:34am

This had been a long 16 days. I have to think of something else to say besides Holy SHit, because that doesn't describe it anymore.

So now Obambi wants to allow drilling ONLY in areas where there's probably no oil. There has to be something more behind this than just Pelosi and her environmental kooks.

147 AuntAcid  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:19:45am

re: #92 reine.de.tout

OR, if you need more than a single copy in order to make sure your friends are up-to-date, you may purchase this incredible and inspirational book in batches of 10, for only $49.50.

Soon to replace Bibles in hotel rooms.(or else...)

148 faraway  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:19:49am

re: #130 Walter L. Newton


You have a Pocket Obama?

149 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:19:56am

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

Nobody has got me, it's just that I am tired of complaining about the state of the world every day. Even the cover of the "Pocket Obama" is such a soothing blue color, it reminds me of, oh, I don't know, a breezy beach, a clear sky, the blue eyes of my perfect lover...

I mean, you got to get one of these things. You will understand, you will be with us.
/

The new improved "Little Blue Book", now with Soma-impregnated cover.

150 jwb7605  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:20:10am

re: #141 eschew_obfuscation

I thought Susan Collins was on the news last nite talking about $200 Billion in reductions?

She was, but after the conference, she saw the wisdom in a higher amount of spending. I'm not making this up. She was on Fox News about a half hour ago.

151 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:20:24am

It seems not long ago all I heard was Democrats caterwauling about the enormous debt we were laying on future generations. Now, I hear not a peep about that concern. This economic crisis gives them the cover to do what they've wanted all along - raid the Treasury and the future to indulge all their pet projects and constituency groups.
I heard this morning that the best estimates from the CBO show that only about 12% of the proposed spending will actually stimulate the economy. All the rest is a payoff. This is like a pirate treasure hunt. Republicans need to stop this, popularity be damned.

152 fish  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:20:27am

Thinking of Obama and Straw Men, has me humming "If He only Had a Brain"

153 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:20:34am
...that echo the failed theories that helped lead us into this crisis — the notion that tax cuts alone will solve all our problems...

That's not a strawman, that's an outright lie. Tax cuts had absolutely nothing to do with this crisis. Government mandated sub-prime mortgages did. Now Obama is trying to use the economic crisis as an excuse to impose even more government meddling in the financial industry.

154 jcm  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:20:38am

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

Do you listen to the radio, every investment company that advertises on the radio has developed ads tailored to sound like the stimulus will be helping the economy out and so it's a good time to invest.

It's a scam, and IMHO, anyone that posts on LGF tooting the great advantages of the stock market, or bragging about how it closed up 2 points or future this looks good and future that looks good, that person is tap dancing.

My opinion, I may be full of shit and don't even know it.

Sure the if the bill passes etc... they're will be an uptick. But we know historically this doesn't work. What got us into this was the government meddling in the housing sector.

The stimulus borrows against the future, it's Madoff writ large. This bill will do a couple things the markets and indicators will up tick initially, but fall back to the current state. While in reality it will prolong the recession. In the long term the stimulus will collapse like the government inflated housing bubble.

The correct course would be to pull back government in all sector, cut gov. spending, cut taxes.

We'd be out and stable and on an a solid growth trend in two years.

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:20:39am

I've been through a very rough patch financially over the past three months. I am making it, but barely squeaking by.

I think I'll buy a house.

156 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:20:51am

re: #150 jwb7605

She was, but after the conference, she saw the wisdom in a higher amount of spending. I'm not making this up. She was on Fox News about a half hour ago.

O.K...thanks. I haven't seen the news today. Guess I'm not surprised.

157 goodin510  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:20:54am

The only time McCain landed a punch was when he claimed that BO was a typical tax and spend liberal.

The idea that his election was a referendum on the efficacy of tax cuts is laughable and the fact that BO is compelled to "remind us" makes me think he knows it too.

158 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:21:02am

re: #144 DaddyG

Lay off the fluoridated tap water Walter.

You know, it's a damn, frecking, unbelievable miracle. I was sitting here reading out loud from the "Pocket Obama" and Maisey the Parrot suddenly screech out the word "Obama!"

You got to get this book...

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

/

159 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:21:09am

re: #119 jcm
Indeed it does my friend - kindly see my #123 above.

160 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:21:27am

If I see one more "Obama Commemorative Coin" commercial, I'm gonna taste bile.

161 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:21:34am

The Politics of Ooga Booga. Isn't it ironic that he states that he despises the 'Politics of Fear' (rhetoric used by Clinton), yet champions them.

162 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:21:34am

So, did some more digging for inspirational portraits and knick-knacks honoring our Glorious Leader - most common items so far are oil paintings that look like they told the guys in Shenzhen: "Okay, boys, no more photo-realistic Jesus or Elvis right now; we want you to pour your your heart and soul into Barry right now."

Funny thing, though, for all the love of Maoist-style prop-art stateside for the One, the folks who actually lived through this sort of thing aren't doing them that way. Photo-realistic, or, as I like to think, plain-Jane oils.

163 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:21:50am

re: #148 faraway

You have a Pocket Obama?

Correction. I have THE "Pocket Obama."

164 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:21:50am
165 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:22:10am

Good afternoon, Lizards. I'm at an educational technology workshop listening to a videoconference. It's the only time I've been able to access LGF at work.

166 KibbyKat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:22:17am

re: #160 MrSilverDragon

If I see one more "Obama Commemorative Coin" commercial, I'm gonna taste bile.

That thing gets muted Chez Kibby. It may be the only thing I don't like about the History Channel.

167 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:22:24am

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

I sincerely hope this "Pocket Obama" is just a farce or satire.

168 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:22:26am

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

You know, it's a damn, frecking, unbelievable miracle. I was sitting here reading out loud from the "Pocket Obama" and Maisey the Parrot suddenly screech out the word "Obama!"

You got to get this book...

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

/

What?

169 Spiny Norman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:22:35am

re: #91 MJ

Z-big and Scowcroft are the "A-team"? We are well and truly f*cked.

170 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:22:39am

re: #148 faraway
Don't be silly! Walter doesn't have a "pocket Obama" - no one does; the ears just won't let it fit!

171 pegcity  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:22:50am

re: #166 KibbyKat

is it made from Liberian tender

172 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:22:58am

In case you didn't see Graham rip Obama on the stimulus nonsense. It's a good start.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

173 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:23:12am

re: #112 lawhawk

Forget energy independence; think of the jobs that aren't being created because he's canned the drilling licenses in Utah. How many jobs would that be? How much state and local revenue lost? How many federal tax dollars aren't going to be collected because they've chosen to disallow the creation of jobs?

Just more proof that the idealogy of committed leftists trumps all other priorities. Period.

174 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:23:17am

he says this b.s. , tho most citizens are not in favor of the porkulus bill.
thanks to talk radio and the interweb, the public knows abt. the proposed wasteful spending.
and yet he is so arrogant, he keeps pushing for the trillion dollars.
he can't defend the money grab. even w/ the burning straw men.
he's flailing.
his approval rating is going to drop.
no matter what the msm does to protect him.

175 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:23:32am
176 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:23:37am

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

You know, it's a damn, frecking, unbelievable miracle. I was sitting here reading out loud from the "Pocket Obama" and Maisey the Parrot suddenly screech out the word "Obama!"

You got to get this book...

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

/


Promise me that if I get that book, my dog won't start going "Obarka!, Obarka!"

177 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:23:47am

re: #167 Honorary Yooper

I sincerely hope this "Pocket Obama" is just a farce or satire.

I've done as much follow up on this, and it doesn't appear to be.

178 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:23:50am

re: #146 VioletTiger

This had been a long 16 days. I have to think of something else to say besides Holy SHit, because that doesn't describe it anymore.

So now Obambi wants to allow drilling ONLY in areas where there's probably no oil. There has to be something more behind this than just Pelosi and her environmental kooks.

Something like that...but remember the Stimulus Bill will halp us wean ourselves off energy dependence.

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:24:16am

re: #165 goddessoftheclassroom

Feelin' sneaky?

180 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:24:22am

re: #105 eschew_obfuscation

When Lindsay Graham and Susan Collins are not happy with a spending bill, you're bill might be in trouble.

Colliins just said on Fox she had wanted a 650 billion dollar bill, but Obama convinced her it should be higher, but not as high as the house wanted. She said she thought it would pass today. The Dems will probably pull a few billion in funding of the items the GOP is griping about, then ram it though with a handful of GOP votes.

181 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:24:31am

Well, at least we know what Obama's pay grade is. Somewhere below a guy trying to clean your car windows with a newspaper.

182 MJ  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #160 MrSilverDragon

If I see one more "Obama Commemorative Coin" commercial, I'm gonna taste bile.

With the inflation that will appear after they pass this stimulus bill, those coins might end up being worth more than the US Dollar....

183 KibbyKat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:24:44am

re: #171 pegcity

is it made from Liberian tender

I can probably recite that blasted thing from memory.

184 jwb7605  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:24:59am

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

I've done as much follow up on this, and it doesn't appear to be.

Keep reading it to us.
We'll be sure to point out when you start sounding like a moonbat.

185 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:25:03am

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Feelin' sneaky?

I'm sitting next to my assistant principal--she's checking and writing email!

186 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:25:20am

re: #170 realwest

Don't be silly! Walter doesn't have a "pocket Obama" - no one does; the ears just won't let it fit!

"Nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change."

"Pocket Obama" (c) 2008

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

187 MJ  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:25:27am

re: #169 Spiny Norman

Z-big and Scowcroft are the "A-team"? We are well and truly f*cked.

Yes, they are: The Antisemitic Team.

188 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:25:29am

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

I've done as much follow up on this, and it doesn't appear to be.

Oh my. This is seriously rediculous by the left. More evidence they've gone not just over the edge, but off planet.

189 Macker  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:25:32am

re: #178 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Missing sarc tag?

190 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:25:39am

re: #140 karmic_inquisitor

There is no recall in the Constitution of the United States.

Doesn't exist.

Yes, that's why I said impeachment is the only option and that's a pipe dream.

191 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:26:09am

re: #189 Macker

Missing sarc tag?

Didn't think it needed one.

192 pegcity  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:26:16am

So when does hyperinflation kick in?

193 jwb7605  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:26:17am

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

"Nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change."

"Pocket Obama" (c) 2008

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Did it mention anything about the voices in their head, too?

194 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:26:24am

re: #171 pegcity

is it made from Liberian tender

Liberian tender may be worth more than the U.S. Dollar before this man leaves office.

195 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:26:36am

Obama's pay grade is lower then private E-Nothing...

196 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:26:43am
197 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:26:45am

re: #184 jwb7605

Keep reading it to us.
We'll be sure to point out when you start sounding like a moonbat.

No really, this little book is making me feel much, much better. I didn't even kick my neighbors cat this morning.

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:27:04am

re: #185 goddessoftheclassroom

You're both being naughty!? I love it. I can hear it now...

"Ms. Goddess? Do you have something you'd care to share with the whole video conference?"

199 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:27:13am

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

"Nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change."

"Pocket Obama" (c) 2008

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

"I heard millions of voices crying in terror and then suddenly silenced."
/Obi-Wan Kenobi

200 Rexatosis  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:27:14am

Dear Mr. President here is the problem with the stimulus bill. The amount of actual stimulus in the "stimulus bill" is about the same amount of actual fruit juice in Hi-C. Of course you don't see Hi-C being sold as actual "juice" since that would be illegal and anyone trying to sell Hi-C as actual "juice" would be committing fraud. Many people don't like fraud or the cons who commit it. Please stop trying to sell a bill of mostly pork spending as a "stimulus" bill.

201 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:27:14am

re: #176 eschew_obfuscation

Promise me that if I get that book, my dog won't start going "Obarka!, Obarka!"

I have poodles; they're smart. They'll probably bury the book somewhere so I can't read it.

202 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:27:16am

re: #193 jwb7605

Did it mention anything about the voices in their head, too?

Careful.

203 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:27:41am

re: #199 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"I heard millions of voices crying in terror and then suddenly silenced."
/Obi-Wan Kenobi

Satan talk.

204 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:27:44am

re: #190 avanti

Yes, that's why I said impeachment is the only option and that's a pipe dream.

Got it.

Obama needs a Republican Congress just like Clinton did.

205 Guanxi88  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:27:45am

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

I pity the fool who insists on preconditions for negotiations!

I love it when a plan comes together.

206 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:27:50am

re: #176 eschew_obfuscation

Promise me that if I get that book, my dog won't start going "Obarka!, Obarka!"

He may eat it and get sick ... you know what dogs are like!
And what would you tell the thought police then?

;-)

207 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:00am

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're both being naughty!? I love it. I can hear it now...

"Ms. Goddess? Do you have something you'd care to share with the whole video conference?"

I'm blessed with being able to think fast on my feet--I'd come up with something!

208 DeafDog  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:05am

re: #180 avanti

Colliins just said on Fox she had wanted a 650 billion dollar bill, but Obama convinced her it should be higher, but not as high as the house wanted. She said she thought it would pass today. The Dems will probably pull a few billion in funding of the items the GOP is griping about, then ram it though with a handful of GOP votes.

Primary challenges for any Republican that votes for it!

209 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:10am

re: #178 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Something like that...but remember the Stimulus Bill will halp us wean ourselves off energy dependence.

Um, how? There's no real action on energy in there. The biofuel nonsense is just...nonsense.

210 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:14am

re: #178 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Something like that...but remember the Stimulus Bill will halp us wean ourselves off energy dependence.

It will, by reducing our economy so far that we can't afford oil, cars, planes, etc.

211 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:21am

re: #165 goddessoftheclassroom

Good afternoon, Lizards. I'm at an educational technology workshop listening to a videoconference. It's the only time I've been able to access LGF at work.

Kitteh not has problem, Kitteh IS ...

MWAH
I'm glad you're having fun today!

212 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:21am
213 pegcity  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:27am

im confused how is this money supposed to stimulate the economy, yet at the same time Obama is going on tv every day telling americans the world is about to end.

Isn't getting people spending money the goal?

214 Dianna  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:27am

OT: Just saw on Yahoo! news that Ruth Bader Ginsburg has been hospitalized with pancreatic cancer.

Poor woman.

215 Irenike  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:40am

#154 jcm

Amen, dude. You understand the situation better than those idiots in government who are trying to ram a very bad deal down the throats of the American people. All the shit that Roosevelt did wrong to prolong the Depression, The Big Zero is trying to do, from more government meddling, more welfare, more unproductive government jobs, to tariffs in the form of "Buy American" provisions. The guy has absolutely no grasp of history. He is drunk on his own hubris, and totally buys in to discredited Marxist ideas.

216 jwb7605  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:44am

re: #192 pegcity

So when does hyperinflation kick in?

"Inflation is our friend. Soon, we'll all be millionires"
-- Everett Dirkson

unforgettable quote.

217 Spiny Norman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:44am

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

I pity the fool who insists on preconditions for negotiations!

I can see it now: Z-big and Brent's Excellent Iranian Adventure.

218 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:44am

re: #174 nyc redneck

he says this b.s. , tho most citizens are not in favor of the porkulus bill.
thanks to talk radio and the interweb, the public knows abt. the proposed wasteful spending.
and yet he is so arrogant, he keeps pushing for the trillion dollars.
he can't defend the money grab. even w/ the burning straw men.
he's flailing.
his approval rating is going to drop.
no matter what the msm does to protect him.

You're right about the polling on the stimulus bill:

Support for Stimulus Package Falls to 37%

In a nutshell:

For: 37%
Against: 43%
Not Sure: 20%

Two weeks ago the For/Against numbers were almost the opposite.

219 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:47am

re: #201 Kosh's Shadow

I have poodles; they're smart. They'll probably bury the book somewhere so I can't read it.

My bull dog would probably just use it as a chin rest for his naps.

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:48am

re: #207 goddessoftheclassroom

I am sure.

221 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:55am

re: #206 yma o hyd

He may eat it and get sick ... you know what dogs are like!
And what would you tell the thought police then?

;-)

Obarka? The Dog's Irish?...:)

222 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:28:58am

re: #201 Kosh's Shadow

I have poodles; they're smart. They'll probably bury the book somewhere so I can't read it.

This was the best 5.95 I have spent in a long time. I suspect I'm going to get a boatload of milage out of this thing.

I may be able to build a 12 minute stand up comedy bit around this. I love prop comedy.

223 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:03am
224 mean Gene  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:12am

Who wrote this for 0bama?
This sounds like a speech written by that guy caught fondling the Hillary cutout's boob.
It doesn't sound like the 0bama we hear when he speaks.
It doesn't sound all flowery like his poems or his books.
AND, within a day or two, it will make 0bama look stupid in that he will never sign the bill he's waxing all romantic about.
He'll be signing something quite different or, if we're all very lucky, nothing at all.

225 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:12am

re: #209 VioletTiger

Um, how? There's no real action on energy in there. The biofuel nonsense is just...nonsense.

But at least it will inflate food prices!

226 jwb7605  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:25am

re: #197 Walter L. Newton

No really, this little book is making me feel much, much better. I didn't even kick my neighbors cat this morning.

ROTFLMAO!

227 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:25am

re: #116 Athos

There is very little, if anything, in this bill towards stimulating the economy beyond the lame / half measured $500 tax credit for those earning less than $75K annually. Fundamentally, this is the Democrat / Progressives taking advantage of an economic crisis that they substantially manufactured to forward their spending / entitlement agenda.......bribing the American voter with the voter's own money.

Cloward-Piven.

First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

Inspired by the August 1965 riots in the black district of Watts in Los Angeles (which erupted after police had used batons to subdue a black man suspected of drunk driving), Cloward and Piven published an article titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty" in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation. Following its publication, The Nation sold an unprecedented 30,000 reprints. Activists were abuzz over the so-called "crisis strategy" or "Cloward-Piven Strategy," as it came to be called. Many were eager to put it into effect.

228 pegcity  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:31am

re: #214 Dianna

she probably doesn't have more than 5 months to live, once its in your pancreas chances are by that point its already spread to your other organs.

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:34am

re: #214 Dianna

Oh my.

230 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:38am

re: #199 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"I heard millions of voices crying in terror and then suddenly silenced."
/Obi-Wan Kenobi

"I coaxed millions of Republicans to either vote for me or stay home and I made them poor"

/Obama Wan Kenobi

231 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:43am

re: #206 yma o hyd

He may eat it and get sick ... you know what dogs are like!... ;-)

No, they won't get sick. It has a lot of pork in it.

232 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:48am
233 Dianna  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:55am

re: #214 Dianna

OT: Just saw on Yahoo! news that Ruth Bader Ginsburg has been hospitalized with pancreatic cancer.

Poor woman.

Er, sorry, forgot my link, which is to the WSJ Blog Page: Here.

234 Athos  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:29:59am

re: #174 nyc redneck

Actually, I would not be surprised if the MSM at some point turns on him - claiming that he is not devoted enough to the policies of the hard left base which got him elected to be worthy of further support.

This may wait until Reid / Pelosi actively take on The One in order to push their agenda - but I will postulate that Obama's Presidency will be thoroughly imploded before he is 45 days into his term.

From the conservative standpoint - we need to start to getting real conservatives lined up for 2010 - if we do this right, we will make 1994 seem like a minor revolt.

235 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:30:00am

re: #206 yma o hyd

He may eat it and get sick ... you know what dogs are like!
And what would you tell the thought police then?

;-)

No officer, that's Rush Limbaughs 24/7 newsletter in that poop!

236 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:30:00am

re: #211 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Kitteh not has problem, Kitteh IS ...

MWAH
I'm glad you're having fun today!

MWAH!

237 mean Gene  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:30:19am

Prayers for Ruth B-G.
Poor woman.

238 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:30:31am

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're both being naughty!? I love it. I can hear it now...

"Ms. Goddess? Do you have something you'd care to share with the whole video conference?"

And then goddess could quote Mandy!
MANDY! WHERE ARE YOU? GIVE GODDESS SOMETHING TO QUOTE!

239 Spiny Norman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:30:37am

re: #225 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #209 VioletTiger

Um, how? There's no real action on energy in there. The biofuel nonsense is just...nonsense.

But at least it will inflate food prices!

Corporate corn producers like ADM love it.

240 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:30:52am

re: #136 notutopia

Mandy, Good Morning. I left some info on the bottom of the overnight thread for you.

I'll go look. Thanks!

241 pegcity  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:31:06am

re: #237 mean Gene

if this were Kos we'd all be cheering, but thats why they are evil

242 Opinionated  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:31:15am

Question, Mr President.

If you pretty much get your way, and it makes things worse, will you promise to resign? At least promise to not run for re-election?

243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:31:19am

re: #224 mean Gene

Who wrote this for 0bama?
This sounds like a speech written by that guy caught fondling the Hillary cutout's boob.
It doesn't sound like the 0bama we hear when he speaks.
It doesn't sound all flowery like his poems or his books.
AND, within a day or two, it will make 0bama look stupid in that he will never sign the bill he's waxing all romantic about.
He'll be signing something quite different or, if we're all very lucky, nothing at all.

WHAAAA?!? I must have missed that one!

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:31:26am

re: #238 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And then goddess could quote Mandy!
MANDY! WHERE ARE YOU? GIVE GODDESS SOMETHING TO QUOTE!

She'd probably get a "time out".

245 notutopia  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:31:35am

re: #233 Dianna

Er, sorry, forgot my link, which is to the WSJ Blog Page: Here.

Prognosis is very poor on any pancreatic cancer.
Obama will be appointing a new replacement by fall.

246 Dianna  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:32:07am

re: #228 pegcity

she probably doesn't have more than 5 months to live, once its in your pancreas chances are by that point its already spread to your other organs.

So I've been told. Though the post I read says it's "early stage."

247 godfrey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:32:17am

This is an Alinsky protegé. Expect this to be SOP for Obama. It's the only thing he's good at.

248 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:32:35am

re: #223 ploome hineni

that is my FAVORITE site

(-:
Did you see Sharmuta's contribution?

249 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:32:36am
250 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:32:44am

re: #223 ploome hineni

that is my FAVORITE site

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

251 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:32:46am

re: #221 Dustyvet

Obarka? The Dog's Irish?...:)

If the dog is Irish he'd tear tha book to pieces - because BOH was failing in the blarney stakes ...

252 faraway  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:33:05am

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

You know, it's a damn, frecking, unbelievable miracle. I was sitting here reading out loud from the "Pocket Obama" and Maisey the Parrot suddenly screech out the word "Obama!"

You got to get this book...

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

/

I thought this was the Pocket Obama

Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought
Audacity of Hope, Dreams From My Father

I kid you not.

253 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:33:07am

My prayers go out to Justice Ginsberg for remission at the least, if not full recovery.

However, if she were to decide to step down, Obama's pick to replace her really wouldn't change the makeup of SCOTUS very much IMHO.

254 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:33:14am

re: #153 Kenneth
and
re: #154 jcm

What's wrong with you guys? I mean, sure it was in fact the CRA (thank you again, Bill Clinton) which created sub-prime mortgages, which then developed a market around them - a market not "seen" coming by the regulators who were complicit in the managing of the CRA, and it's also true that there is no technical changes to the basis of our economy that the government won't try as long as the government can't be held accountable, but geez, guys. This Stimulus Package is the ONLY way the Dems can cover up their complicity and indeed the major responsibility for the economic recession that we're in.
And I'm surprised that no one as yet has mentioned
demagoguery by Obama.
As I said in #123 above, the American People, or at least a truly surprising percentage of the American People are willing to trade their FREEDOM for some make shift, won't float for long, raft of a Nanny State.

255 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:33:24am

re: #242 Opinionated

Question, Mr President.

If you pretty much get your way, and it makes things worse, will you promise to resign? At least promise to not run for re-election?

"If we were supposed to be perfect, we'd all be in trouble. So we rely on God's mercy and grace to get us through."

"Pocket Obama" (c) 2008

All the answers to your questions are in this little book.

256 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:33:29am

re: #236 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

LOL!

257 MJ  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:33:36am

re: #249 buzzsawmonkey

"Associate Justice Bernardine Dohrn" has a nice ring to it.

I was thinking of "Associate Justice Roland Burris".

258 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:06am
259 Macker  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:06am

re: #199 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"I heard millions of voices crying in terror and then suddenly silenced."
/Obi-Wan Kenobi

I like this quote better:

Elric: "Well take this for what little it will profit you. As I look at you, Ambassador Mollari, I see a great hand reaching out of the stars. The hand is your hand. And I hear sounds. The sounds of billions of people calling your name."
Mollari: "My followers?"
Elric: "Your victims."

260 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:20am

re: #257 MJ

I was thinking of "Associate Justice Roland Burris".

Hmm...how about Associate Justice Judy?

261 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:23am

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

No, they won't get sick. It has a lot of pork in it.

Pork makes dogs sick - my butcher told me so!

262 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:27am

Obama isn't very bright, which is sad because that was one of the only qualifications he ran on.

Fear mongering makes him look even dumber.

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:27am

re: #245 notutopia

Is there a such thing as early pancreatic cancer? With few exceptions it is quick and deadly. IIRC, Gene Upshaw was diagnosed on a Thursday and died on a Monday.

Patrick Swayze has a pretty freaky brand, and he's not exactly doing great, but much better than expected.

264 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:28am

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She'd probably get a "time out".

I'm certain that you mean goddess.

265 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:28am
266 jcm  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:28am

re: #159 realwest

Indeed it does my friend - kindly see my #123 above.

Upding you again, ding this morning too.

SPOT ON!

Those who would give up ESSENTIAL LIBERTY, to purchase a little TEMPORARY SAFETY, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Ben Franklin, the correct citation.

Not only was Ben speaking of physical security, he was talking about economic and even emotional security.

Liberty has risks, we (collectively) are getting too soft to hold it.

267 Boxy_brown  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:31am

Please, please please, Call these spineless bastards and tell them we don't want this abomination.

Boxy hates to beg.

Collins 2022242523
Snowe 2022245344
Voinovich 2022243353
Specter 2022244254

Call the rest of the spinless bastards too if you can.

268 notutopia  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:33am

re: #249 buzzsawmonkey

"Associate Justice Bernardine Dohrn" has a nice ring to it.

Egads! But, one liberal replacing another Justice is probably a given.
No commies though please!

269 mean Gene  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:43am

re: #243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

WHAAAA?!? I must have missed that one!

The guy who wrote 0bama's ''race'' speech is the same guy drunkenly fondling Hillary's boob in a photo probably still around on the web.
As he is such a fine speechwriter, he was never thrown under the bus for that.
I think Hillary was even trotted out to say it was no biggie, too.
So, he's still crafting 0bama's words for him.
"Present!"

270 soxfan4life  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:44am

re: #213 pegcity

im confused how is this money supposed to stimulate the economy, yet at the same time Obama is going on tv every day telling americans the world is about to end.

Isn't getting people spending money the goal?

No, the destruction of self reliance, the reliance on government handouts, and reelection are the goals.

271 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:34:53am

re: #252 faraway

I thought this was the Pocket Obama

Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought
Audacity of Hope, Dreams From My Father

I kid you not.

You're trying to make fun of our Chairman. Bad vibes. Try hugging a tree and come back here when you have calmed down.

272 Spiny Norman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:05am

re: #211 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Kitteh not has problem, Kitteh IS ...

MWAH
I'm glad you're having fun today!

From the caption:

Your document could not finish printing. There is a cat in the way.

That has happened to me more often than I care to recall... they think the print head is a mouse or something.

273 DeafDog  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:13am

re: #257 MJ

I was thinking of "Associate Justice Roland Burris".

Associate "Rock'n Rod Bagojavich"

274 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:17am

re: #235 eschew_obfuscation

No officer, that's Rush Limbaughs 24/7 newsletter in that poop!

Outstanding reply!
Updinged!

275 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:18am

re: #250 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

Good one!

276 Onslow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:27am

re: #245 notutopia

Associate Justice Deval Patrick

277 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:35am

re: #267 Boxy_brown

Be forewarned, phone numbers are taboo...

278 UndeadLenin  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:41am

re: #259 Macker

I like this quote better:

Elric: "Well take this for what little it will profit you. As I look at you, Ambassador Mollari, I see a great hand reaching out of the stars. The hand is your hand. And I hear sounds. The sounds of billions of people calling your name."
Mollari: "My followers?"
Elric: "Your victims."

what was the one from 1984? Something to the effect of the future of humanity is a boot eternally stepping on people faces.

279 Steve Rogers  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:46am

Obama can put his empty suit on his straw man.

280 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:48am
281 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:58am

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

Not young enough. He's going to want someone who will be on the Court a looooong time.

Starr Jones? She is a lawyer.

282 Kragar  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:35:59am

I return to my initial comments on Barry O

ACCURSED MOUNTEBANK!

283 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:36:15am

re: #239 Spiny Norman

Corporate corn producers like ADM love it.

People who like to eat corn and/or drink beer, however, will be quite perturbed.

284 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:36:27am

re: #277 MrSilverDragon

Be forewarned, phone numbers are taboo...

Does that apply to the office numbers of public officials as well? (Don't know, just askin')

285 Bill Dalasio  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:36:33am

Well, I'd like to make a suggestion to President Obama and his Democratic allies. They have majorities in both the House and Senate. They don't need any Republican votes to pass the bill. I'd suggest that they do so as soon as they feel like. That way, since its such a good plan and resolving all those non-macro issues you feel are just essential will get the economy rolling again, you can take credit for all of the results of the bill. I mean, it couldn't be like you guys are looking for cover or anything, right?

286 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:36:33am

re: #204 karmic_inquisitor

Got it.

Obama needs a Republican Congress just like Clinton did.

Stay vigilant, Obama will use his political capital to pass more big bills in his first 100 days then GW did in the last four years. The GOP will have to rally to oppose those that you disagree with or you'll get more change then you or I may want.
Obama is learning how hard it is to control even his own party in congress, using the Blue dogs to help may not be enough. I hope he'll use the veto pen on occasion, just as GW should have on the GOP spending or we're screwed again.

287 MJ  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:36:34am

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

Not young enough. He's going to want someone who will be on the Court a looooong time.

Yeah, you're right. How about Associate Justice Richard Daley?
He owes him big time.

288 soxfan4life  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:36:56am

re: #279 Steve Rogers

Obama can put his empty suit on his straw man.

What have you got against strawmen?

289 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:04am

OT -

Looks like the Shi'ite religious parties took a beating in the Iraqi elections.

Poor Juan Cole - there goes his Iranian Crescent theory.


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki rode a nationalist, law-and-order message to a decisive victory over the Shi'ite religious parties who previously dominated Iraq, preliminary election results showed on Thursday.

The success of Maliki's State of Law coalition in provincial polls in Baghdad and the Shi'ite south gives a leader once derided as weak a mandate for a strong central state, and crucial momentum ahead of national elections later this year.

It also marks a shift away from the overtly sectarian politics that gripped Iraq since 2003.

"This shows that the Iraqi voter wants to hear nationalist speeches as well as religious speeches," government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh told Reuters by telephone from Kuwait.

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:07am

Ann Coulter's a lawyer.

291 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:07am

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

I KNEW IT!

Buzz, I swear, I was thinking about this yesterday. The original song was running through my head for some reason, and I swear, I thought of you.

I need to go get some soup or something.

Thanks for the laugh. That was good.

292 bulwrk  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:16am

I am worried that when this egomaniac sees his popularity numbers dropping and if the press actually becomes adversarial he is going to become unstable

293 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:17am

re: #284 subsailor68

Does that apply to the office numbers of public officials as well? (Don't know, just askin')

I believe so, but I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

294 Dianna  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:23am

re: #259 Macker

I admire anyone able to actually read Michael Moorecock. I actually gave up three chapters in to the first Elric book, and never looked back.

295 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:27am

re: #283 VioletTiger

People who like to eat corn and/or drink beer, however, will be quite perturbed.

Or eat chickens, pigs, cows, or any other animal that is fed with corn.

296 AuntAcid  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:32am

re: #160 MrSilverDragon

If I see one more "Obama Commemorative Coin" commercial, I'm gonna taste bile.

"Your coin please."
Soon you're going to need to show one to vote, travel, etc.

297 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:51am
298 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:56am

re: #267 Boxy_brown

Um, you can link to their websites, but Charles deletes phone numbers, well, almost all phone numbers.

/BeachWood 4-5789.

299 SteveC  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:37:57am

Drive by post, 'cause I'm heading out the door. But ya'll might like this!

THE MAN RULES

We always hear "the rules" from the female side. Now here are the rules from the male side. These are our rules!

1. Men are NOT mind readers.

1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one:
Subtle hints do not work!
Strong hints do not work!
Obvious hints do not work!
Just say it!

1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving it down.

1. Sunday sports: It's like the full moon or the changing of the tides. Let it be.

1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never going to think of it that way.

1. Crying is blackmail.

1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every question.

1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for.

1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a Problem. See a doctor.

1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 7 days.

1. If you won't dress like the Victoria's Secret girls, don't expect us to act like soap opera guys.

1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us. We'd rather not have to lie about it.

1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one.

1. You can either ask us to do something, or you can tell us how you want it done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself.

1. Whenever possible, Please say whatever you have to say during commercials.

1. Christopher Columbus did NOT need directions, and neither do we.

1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. And of course, we have no idea what mauve is.

1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that.

1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "Nothing," we will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the hassle.

1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.

1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely any thing you wear is fine... Really.

1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared to discuss such topics as baseball, the shotgun formation, or motor sports.

1. You have enough clothes.

1. You have too many shoes.

1. I am in shape. Round IS a shape!

1. Thank you for reading this. Yes, I know, I have to sleep on the couch tonight, but did you know men really don't mind that? It's like camping.

2. If you have any questions, please see rule number 1.

300 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:38:03am

re: #293 MrSilverDragon

I believe so, but I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

LOL! You and me both. Only asked because I wouldn't want to inadvertently break the rules.

301 soxfan4life  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:38:18am

re: #287 MJ

Yeah, you're right. How about Associate Justice Richard Daley?
He owes him big time.


This should scare you, heard on the local AM news Deval Patrick and SCJ in the same sentence.

302 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:38:23am

re: #273 DeafDog

Associate "Rock'n Rod Bagojavich"

Oh Please...spair me!

/s

303 Macker  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:38:25am

re: #245 notutopia

That means no change in SCOTUS. Let us all pray and pray unceasingly for Justice Ginsburg's recovery...and also for the health of the conservative Justices.

Amen!

304 AuntAcid  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:38:58am

re: #292 bulwrk

I am worried that when this egomaniac sees his popularity numbers dropping and if the press actually becomes adversarial he is going to become unstable

...one can hope...

305 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:00am

re: #298 Honorary Yooper

Um, you can link to their websites, but Charles deletes phone numbers, well, almost all phone numbers.

/BeachWood 4-5789.

How about Pennsylvania 6-5000?

306 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:00am

re: #268 notutopia

Hey.

307 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:01am

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

"If we were supposed to be perfect, we'd all be in trouble. So we rely on God's mercy and grace to get us through."

"Pocket Obama" (c) 2008

All the answers to your questions are in this little book.

In Gene Wolfe's "Book of the New Sun" tetralogy (Shadow of the Torturer, Claw of the Conciliator, Sword of the Lictor, Citadel of the Autarch), there is a country where the people are punished for saying any incorrect thoughts, so they speak nothing but statements from their leader's book.
When I read it, I believed he based it on Mao's China, but maybe he did see into the future.

308 notutopia  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:13am

re: #258 ploome hineni

she will step down I am sure

Her declining health will step down her functionality for her. I sincerely pray for her upcoming path in life. It will be a very uncomfortable decline and hopefully swift to alleviate her suffering any undue pain.

309 DaddyG  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:21am

I got a budget, got a budget full of prok rinds
I love the One cause he says he'll save our behinds, oh, oh oh oh
Spend what you want but you're never gonna go broke
Governments gonna print up more change and hope, oh, oh oh oh

So spend away, on stimulus
Your palm is greased, so spend away
Take it away with some new tax
and Spend away, on pet projects

The One is on my side and takes me for a ride
Roll debt up to the sky, he'll pay for it alright
The One is on my side and takes me for a ride
Little do I know, it will come from my hide

310 Dianna  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:22am

re: #269 mean Gene

Considering he was fondling the breast of a cardboard cut-out, I'm not surprised Hillary cut him some slack.

311 Spiny Norman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:24am

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is there a such thing as early pancreatic cancer? With few exceptions it is quick and deadly. IIRC, Gene Upshaw was diagnosed on a Thursday and died on a Monday.

Patrick Swayze has a pretty freaky brand, and he's not exactly doing great, but much better than expected.

I'm surprised he done so well, but not all cases of pancreatic cancer are necessarily fatal. A friend of my family's had it, but it's been in remission for more than 10 years now.

312 Boxy_brown  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:27am

re: #277 MrSilverDragon

Desperate times/desperate measures... hopefully all will be forgiven.

313 Mr. Sandman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:28am

Uh, no, you are the one promoting "empty, false rhetoric" against Obama's arguments for the stimulus bill, rather than Obama setting up the strawmen. He is addressing real opposition arguments. For instance, you say,

"I have not heard of a single person who says “tax cuts alone” are the solution."

This alone shows you don't know what you are talking about. Sen. Jim DeMint is arguing for a plan consisting of virtually nothing but tax cuts. House Republicans were previously hawking their "alternative," which consisted solely of a gigantic tax cut plan (and particularly targeted toward tax cutting for the rich, which recent evidence confirms has very little stimulative effect) .

The current plan, while not perfect, is on the whole sensible, given the current economic climate. It has a good amount tax cuts in it (properly targeted toward those who need them). The Congressional Budget Office, and most serious economists say that the spending programs will strengthen the economy, relative to what it would be without the bill (even though most say the economy is going to be weak for a long time regardless--the goal here is to avoid a deflationary spiral leading to a Depression). If Obama seems like he is "tearing down strawmen" in arguing against the Republicans, it's because their arguments really aren't serious arguments--they aren't meant to be. They are meant to obfuscate and obstruct--they would love it if the economy collapsed at this point.

314 Inquisitive  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:46am

B.O is just like the strawman(scarecrow) in the Wizard of OZ.....and we all know what that strawman needed........

315 Killian Bundy  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:40:13am

Pass my gigantic pile of steaming crap right this second or we're all gonna die!

/President Obummer

316 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:40:47am

re: #257 MJ

I was thinking of "Associate Justice Roland Burris".


Finally a job opening for Bill Clinton..
/

317 faraway  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:40:52am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

You're trying to make fun of our Chairman. Bad vibes. Try hugging a tree and come back here when you have calmed down.

Yah, Comrade.

318 Peacekeeper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:40:52am

Klingons in the news:

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- A surveillance picture released by police Wednesday afternoon shows a man armed with what appears to be a small Klingon sword, holding up a 7-Eleven convenience store.

That same man robbed another 7-Eleven store store a half-hour later, and remains at large, Colorado Springs police Lt. David Whitlock said.

The first robbery was reported at 1:50 a.m., at 145 N Spruce St. The clerk told police a white man in his 20s, wearing a black mask, black jacket, and blue jeans, entered the store with a weapon the clerk recognized from the Star Trek TV series.

319 Macker  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:41:13am

re: #294 Dianna

I admire anyone able to actually read Michael Moorecock. I actually gave up three chapters in to the first Elric book, and never looked back.

That's not Michael Moorcock. That's from Babylon 5.

320 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:41:15am

re: #305 subsailor68

How about Pennsylvania 6-5000?

Heh. There's always 867-5309/Jenny. :-)

/Where's Tommy Tutone?

321 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:41:21am

re: #277 MrSilverDragon
Why would the office phone numbers of elected officials be banned? They are, in fact, a matter of public record.

322 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:41:21am

re: #307 Kosh's Shadow

In Gene Wolfe's "Book of the New Sun" tetralogy (Shadow of the Torturer, Claw of the Conciliator, Sword of the Lictor, Citadel of the Autarch), there is a country where the people are punished for saying any incorrect thoughts, so they speak nothing but statements from their leader's book.
When I read it, I believed he based it on Mao's China, but maybe he did see into the future.

Obama's Little Blue Book? Nah, it's been done.

323 Kragar  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:41:22am

re: #294 Dianna

I admire anyone able to actually read Michael Moorecock. I actually gave up three chapters in to the first Elric book, and never looked back.

Buddy of mine was totally into Elric. I made it thru the 1st book and didn't see the big deal.

Now Felix and Gotrek on the other hand...

324 jwb7605  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:41:43am

re: #313 Mr. Sandman

I can envision Obama actually endorsing the flat tax plan ... at the 80% level.

Go back to your Kool Aid.

325 sngnsgt  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:41:54am

re: #298 Honorary Yooper

Werd.

326 Land Shark  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:42:05am

re: #145 formercorpsman

You make a great point. I wasn't going to vote for McCain, I was thinking of voting Libertarian, but the more I learned about Obama I decided to vote for the only guy with a shot to beat Obama, and that was McCain.

However, I believe that as bad as McCain could be, he'd be a hundred times better that this incompetent stumble bum of an idiot.

Thanks for answer on the recall bit, people. I kinda figured it couldn't be done, I'm just feeling desperate realizing this DopeInCharge is our President for the next 4 years.

327 Ojoe  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:42:08am

"Let us meet our enormous tests with half-steps and piecemeal measures."

There, Ojoe said it, ha ha.

328 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:42:19am

re: #286 avanti

Stay vigilant, Obama will use his political capital to pass more big bills in his first 100 days then GW did in the last four years. The GOP will have to rally to oppose those that you disagree with or you'll get more change then you or I may want.
Obama is learning how hard it is to control even his own party in congress, using the Blue dogs to help may not be enough. I hope he'll use the veto pen on occasion, just as GW should have on the GOP spending or we're screwed again.

And you voted for him, so you are one of the screwers.

329 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:42:20am

re: #318 Peacekeeper

Klingons in the news:

Shit, the invasion has begun.
/

330 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:42:22am

re: #320 Honorary Yooper

Heh. There's always 867-5309/Jenny. :-)

/Where's Tommy Tutone?

Why he's right here.

;-)

331 robdouth  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:42:52am

It's like the politicians running agains each other in Futurama:

Zapp Branigan: We know nothing of their language, their history or what they look like. But we can assume this: they stand for everything we don't stand for. Also, they told me that you guys look like dorks!
Bender: THEY LOOK LIKE DORKS! (Shakes fist)

332 notutopia  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:42:55am

re: #306 MandyManners

Hey.

Yes?

333 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:42:55am
334 Ojoe  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:42:58am
Let us meet our enormous tests with half-steps and piecemeal measures."

There, Ojoe said it, ha ha.

Vote for me!

335 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:43:03am

re: #272 Spiny Norman

That has happened to me more often than I care to recall... they think the print head is a mouse or something.

I only rarely have to call tech support. Once, had to call Oki's re a wierd vertical smudge/stripe appearing in the output of a laser printer. Two calls. Three calls. The tech and I were baffled. Th' damned stripe MOVED back and forth from day to day.

Finally, I went back in and RE-cleaned the printer. Suddenly, something caught my eye, down in the shadows beneath the fuser wire.

A three-quarters-dead cockroach.

Sent copies of the smudged pages to the tech support guy. He put them up on the department bulletin board.

336 Spiny Norman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:43:22am

re: #313 Mr. Sandman

Dude, put down the bong.

337 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:43:25am

re: #327 Ojoe

"Let us meet our enormous tests with half-steps and piecemeal measures."

There, Ojoe said it, ha ha.

Image: pogo_.jpg

338 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:43:34am

re: #333 buzzsawmonkey

That is still the actual phone number of a hotel across from New York's Penn Station, as it was when the song was first recorded.

Really? I didn't know it was still in service. How cool is that?!

339 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:43:43am

re: #321 realwest

Why would the office phone numbers of elected officials be banned? They are, in fact, a matter of public record.

Just going by past history. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It's all good.

340 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:43:50am

re: #317 faraway

Yah, Comrade.

That's ok, you don't have to call me Comrade, brother is ok. I'm just trying to help.

341 MJ  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:44:01am

re: #297 buzzsawmonkey

It will probably be a woman; it is a rule in Leftyland that once a "minority" has attained a position, it must forevermore be occupied by a member of the same group.

OK, Lani Guinier. She's Black, Jewish, and Harvard. The 'Quota" issue won't be a factor cause the MSM will never mention it anyway.

342 Peacekeeper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:44:22am

re: #329 Honorary Yooper

Shit, the invasion has begun.
/


probably just promotional for the next movie. They'll have Klingons robbing liquor stores all over the country.

343 faraway  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:44:22am

Marxism for Dummies ™
by B. Hussein Obama
forward by Wright, Ayers, Dubois

344 redstateredneck  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:44:55am

re: #320 Honorary Yooper

Heh. There's always 867-5309/Jenny. :-)

/Where's Tommy Tutone?

I heard where that number is being auctioned in a couple of area codes on ebay or craig'slist. Big bids.

345 Ojoe  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:45:13am

re: #337 Dustyvet

I dragged that bit of famous cartooning to the desktop, thanks.

346 logboy  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:45:16am

As long as we're on the subject of "strawmen" I give you the the theme song of the Obama Administration.

If I Only Had a Brain. Sorry I can't find the actual Wizard of Oz version.

347 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:45:18am

re: #294 Dianna

I admire anyone able to actually read Michael Moorecock. I actually gave up three chapters in to the first Elric book, and never looked back.

It's from a Babylon 5 episode. Ambassador Mollari was a Centauri ambassador who dreamed of restoring his planet to the grand days of the Centauri Republic; made a deal with beings he didn't understand, and caused the second Shadow war.
The moral of this story is,
beware of someone who offers to give you what you want.

348 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:45:29am

re: #329 Honorary Yooper

349 Dianna  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:45:39am

re: #319 Macker

That's not Michael Moorcock. That's from Babylon 5.

It is? Huh.

Well, I missed quite a lot of B-5, too.

350 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:45:42am

re: #253 subsailor68
Could not agree with you more, on either score. I pray for her recovery.

351 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:45:46am

re: #313 Mr. Sandman

most serious economists say that the spending programs will strengthen the economy, relative to what it would be without the bill (even though most say the economy is going to be weak for a long time regardless--the goal here is to avoid a deflationary spiral leading to a Depression). .

Name one.

352 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:46:03am

re: #342 Peacekeeper

probably just promotional for the next movie. They'll have Klingons robbing liquor stores all over the country.

Klingons off the Starboard Bow, starboard bow!

353 Kragar  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:46:03am

re: #347 Kosh's Shadow

It's from a Babylon 5 episode. Ambassador Mollari was a Centauri ambassador who dreamed of restoring his planet to the grand days of the Centauri Republic; made a deal with beings he didn't understand, and caused the second Shadow war.
The moral of this story is,
beware of someone who offers to give you what you want.

It worked out OK for Vir!

354 faraway  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:46:08am

I'm beginning to think Michael Phelps was ahead of the rest of us. 4 years of bonging is our only hope.

/

355 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:46:23am

re: #329 Honorary Yooper

Shit, the invasion has begun.
/

That's been happening more in Colorado lately. Yesterday there was a Klingon who stole a child's tricorder on a playground in north Denver.

356 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:46:29am

SHIT!
I thought it was gone!

/pleeeeeeze bring me my dream!

357 DaddyG  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:46:35am

re: #267 Boxy_brown Not supposed to post phone numbers.... but this will work: Senate Directory PDF

358 Killian Bundy  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:47:00am
"This recession might linger for years. Our economy will lose 5 million more jobs. Unemployment will approach double digits. Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse"

First, he writes this in the morning paper and then, just like he has every day for the last two weeks, he gets on the TV and repeats his apocalyptic bad mouthing of the economy. WTF is his problem?

/SHUT THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] UP YOU CHICKEN LITTLE ASS!

359 Spiny Norman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:47:02am

re: #351 VioletTiger

Name one.

Oh I know, I know! Paul Krugman?

:^þ

360 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:47:05am

re: #332 notutopia

Can you e-mail me? I'll make my nic blue if you say you can.

361 Dianna  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:47:07am

I resume my sojourn in number world!

362 redstateredneck  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:47:15am

Here it is in the New York area:

867-5309

363 Boxy_brown  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:47:41am

re: #298 Honorary Yooper

Um, you can link to their websites, but Charles deletes phone numbers, well, almost all phone numbers.

Snowe

Collins

Voinovich

Specter

All of them

364 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:47:50am

re: #333 buzzsawmonkey

That is still the actual phone number of a hotel across from New York's Penn Station, as it was when the song was first recorded.

Now that's a suite bit of trivia!

365 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:47:51am

re: #298 Honorary Yooper

Um, you can link to their websites, but Charles deletes phone numbers, well, almost all phone numbers.

/BeachWood 4-5789.

Junior Samples told me it was BR-549.

366 bulwrk  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:47:52am

re: #313 Mr. Sandman

Proof that crack and a computer keyboard is a dangerous combination.

367 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:47:57am

re: #361 Dianna

I resume my sojourn in number world!

Please, don't go. I've known people who have gone there and I have never seen them again. Please, be careful.

368 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:48:16am

re: #329 Honorary Yooper

Shit, the invasion has begun.
/



Send in the clones

369 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:48:21am

re: #350 realwest

Could not agree with you more, on either score. I pray for her recovery.

Hi RW, it's good to see you! Yes, even though I may not agree with her decisions, she's an honorable person. And hey, she and Justice Scalia are close pals from what I've read, so she can't be all bad.

;-)

370 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:48:26am

re: #313 Mr. Sandman
" If Obama seems like he is "tearing down strawmen" in arguing against the Republicans, it's because their arguments really aren't serious arguments--they aren't meant to be. They are meant to obfuscate and obstruct--they would love it if the economy collapsed at this point."
You, sir, are an unmitigated asshole.

371 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:48:44am

re: #285 Bill Dalasio

Well, I'd like to make a suggestion to President Obama and his Democratic allies. They have majorities in both the House and Senate. They don't need any Republican votes to pass the bill. I'd suggest that they do so as soon as they feel like. That way, since its such a good plan and resolving all those non-macro issues you feel are just essential will get the economy rolling again, you can take credit for all of the results of the bill. I mean, it couldn't be like you guys are looking for cover or anything, right?

That's what may well happen, but they want to make some concessions to the GOP to show they tried without realty trying very hard to outreach out for PR reasons. Then ram it though with a few Republicans that fear the 2010 elections. If the economy improves, they beat the ones who voed against it over the head with it in 2010, if not the GOP will be Golden.
You make your vote, and take your chances.

372 logboy  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:48:54am

re: #362 redstateredneck

Didn't Charles make a script to prevent the posting of numbers? I had a post deleted because I forgot to edit out the number.

373 rightside  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:49:00am

Not sure if this has been posted yet...

Breaking: Ruth Bader Ginsburg to undergo pancreatic cancer surgery

My prayers go out to her and her family.

374 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:49:03am
375 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:49:22am

re: #342 Peacekeeper

probably just promotional for the next movie. They'll have Klingons robbing liquor stores all over the country.

If only the Federation would legalize Romulan ale, then they wouldn't have to rob liquor stores!

376 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:49:34am

re: #367 Walter L. Newton

Please, don't go. I've known people who have gone there and I have never seen them again. Please, be careful.

Maisey what's the square root of 917?


Maisey: WHAT!

377 notutopia  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:49:38am

re: #360 MandyManners

Can you e-mail me? I'll make my nic blue if you say you can.

Email me Mandy.

378 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:49:44am

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

"If we were supposed to be perfect, we'd all be in trouble. So we rely on God's mercy and grace to get us through."

"Pocket Obama" (c) 2008

All the answers to your questions are in this little book.

Walter - It sounds like you're angling to be our official LGF Commissar with daily readings from The Book.......
/ :)

379 ProUSA  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:49:46am

Barry "the Straw Man" Husein Obama is just fulfilling his role as the scarecrow for the lefties. Barry was stuck in the field by the Dems. We need more smart crows to land on him and reveal the fallacies of his socialism and Dem empowerment plans. So far, Barry's counter attacks have been to limited to: "I am the one . . . I won the position of scarecrow and was chosen by the farmers to be in this field . . . do not question me." He's an empty suit (stuffed with straw), and when attacked he also displays characteristics of the Wizard of Oz hiding behind the curtain. Did he buy Toto yet?

380 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:49:50am

i don't even think he knows what he is defending and trying to push on us.
i bet he wasn't even really part of writing the bill.
his dem cohorts most likely just pig- troughed it up, and now the dumb empty suit has to pontificate in a generic way abt. how good it is.
already we are over the pork bill and he is like mr. mcgoo,
he's a joke.
remember how he didn't even know the substance of the executive orders he signed. he kept asking his aid to explain.
he is so in over his head.
his pretense of calm stateliness will make fewer and fewer people faint,
i don't care how hot it is.

381 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:50:42am

re: #313 Mr. Sandman

I could not disagree more.

382 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:50:49am

re: #366 bulwrk

Proof that crack and a computer keyboard is a dangerous combination.

Especially when the "crack" is right upon the keyboard.

383 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:51:17am

re: #363 Boxy_brown

Just had to give you an upding for your avatar!

384 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:51:18am

re: #378 LGoPs

Walter - It sounds like you're angling to be our official LGF Commissar with daily readings from The Book.......
/ :)

If it helps to change the world, I will. I'll even make up quotations.

385 Land Shark  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:51:20am

re: #347 Kosh's Shadow

I just finished watching my complete Babylon 5 DVD collection, great stuff. I guess I know where you got your user name from. ;-)

386 lostlakehiker  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:51:23am

Half measures will not suffice. We cannot take power and cement our hold on it for decades to come merely by getting the economy back to good working order. We cannot cement our hold on power for decades to come merely by socializing medicine.

We have this one chance to act, while the nation is near panic. Miss it, and they may decide they don't want a corvee (everybody has to volunteer), they don't want to put half the country on welfare relabeled as tax cuts [for those who don't pay taxes anyhow], and they don't want tax cheats calling them slackers because they're afraid of higher taxes they would actually have to pay. /potus

And now, changing topics, that link about Steven Chu is poorly captioned. Calling a Nobel prize winning physicist a fucktard just makes us look unhinged. Is there even ONE "lizard" who is a member of the national academy of sciences, let alone a winner of a Nobel prize? And it's a Nobel prize in a field that can't be faked. It has to be earned.

387 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:51:37am

re: #326 Land Shark

In my honest opinion, and it will probably make some folks angry, but it just seems we have a little bit of a masochistic flare every couple of elections.

For some reason, I think we convince ourselves Camelot is real, and we can achieve it again, by sound bites & platitudes.

For a while, it is chic to hate the big corporations that have so much wealth. But a sobering reality occurs, when it dawns on people, it is those profitable corporations that allow them to work, and be able to buy the flat screen TV, or load their Ipods.

Based on what he stands for, and his track record, history is his biggest critic. Socialism does not work.

In some strange way, I think going through the episodes has the ability to redirect us towards what the founders had originally intended.

Smaller government.

388 Peacekeeper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:51:38am

re: #347 Kosh's Shadow

It's from a Babylon 5 episode. Ambassador Mollari was a Centauri ambassador who dreamed of restoring his planet to the grand days of the Centauri Republic; made a deal with beings he didn't understand, and caused the second Shadow war.
The moral of this story is,
beware of someone who offers to give you what you want.

Did he end up robbing any liquor stores?

389 redstateredneck  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:51:41am

re: #372 logboy

Didn't Charles make a script to prevent the posting of numbers? I had a post deleted because I forgot to edit out the number.


Dunno. Maybe you have to have the area code.

390 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:51:45am

Obama having this much trouble at less than 3 weeks in?

Good omen... This means the rest of the Marxist Remake will be that much harder to get through. Maybe there is hope he won't get a free pass afterall.

391 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:51:53am
... that we can meet our enormous tests with half-steps and piecemeal measures...

Sounds like the definition of a Democrat to me....

392 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:52:00am

re: #370 realwest

" If Obama seems like he is "tearing down strawmen" in arguing against the Republicans, it's because their arguments really aren't serious arguments--they aren't meant to be. They are meant to obfuscate and obstruct--they would love it if the economy collapsed at this point."
You, sir, are an unmitigated asshole.

Thank you! I was thinking that as well. And I'm not sure who he's referring to in this sentence: "It has a good amount tax cuts in it (properly targeted toward those who need them)."

Who? People who don't pay taxes?

Not to mention the use of the word "amount" rather than "number." Sandman - an easy way to remember: it's "amount" of sh%t and "number" of turds.

393 Boxy_brown  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:52:05am

Sorry about the phone numbers Charles.

Here folks, one last time: Senate contact info.

These people need to be made a little scared of us. Reading through this bill shows that they have nothing but contempt for the people they supposedly represent.

394 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:52:08am

re: #358 Killian Bundy

First, he writes this in the morning paper and then, just like he has every day for the last two weeks, he gets on the TV and repeats his apocalyptic bad mouthing of the economy. WTF is his problem?

/SHUT THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] UP YOU CHICKEN LITTLE ASS!

Just following Cloward-Piven.

395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:52:13am

re: #352 Dustyvet

Klingons off the Starboard Bow, starboard bow!

It's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it; it's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Captain.

396 Kragar  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:52:22am

re: #385 Land Shark

I just finished watching my complete Babylon 5 DVD collection, great stuff. I guess I know where you got your user name from. ;-)

I've been doing the same thing, just got to the final season.

397 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:52:44am

re: #218 subsailor68
Two weeks ago the For/Against numbers were almost the opposite.

Wasn't that about the time Obama made the 'you just can't listen to Limbaugh' comment. Many, except for the worst Obamanots, must have taken a cup check when he dropped that. Just sayin....

Got to go check a project, be back soon. My JokeCracker module just isn't working that well today.

398 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:52:44am

re: #389 redstateredneck

Dunno. Maybe you have to have the area code.

Let's test it.

[no phone numbers allowed]

399 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:52:48am

re: #352 Dustyvet

Klingons off the Starboard Bow, starboard bow!

Well, scrape them off, Jim!

400 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:52:53am

Obama and his merry band of leftists are suffering from the ID-10T error. They think that we're all idiots.

401 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:52:58am

re: #152 fish

Thinking of Obama and Straw Men, has me humming "If He only Had a Brain"

nice version...

402 Macker  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:53:28am

re: #378 LGoPs

Der Kommissar's in town, uh oh!

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:53:42am

re: #384 Walter L. Newton

If it helps to change the world, I will. I'll even make up quotations.

So, then, some quotations will even have substance?

404 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:53:47am

re: #398 Honorary Yooper

Let's test it.

[no phone numbers allowed]

Interesting, it works even for the typical Hollywood-type 555 number.

405 redstateredneck  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:53:50am

Damn! Here's a pic of Obama actually setting up the straw man.

406 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:53:53am

re: #389 redstateredneck

Dunno. Maybe you have to have the area code.

You can't post phone numbers.

407 CommonCents  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:53:59am

re: #4 stevieray

When reality's too tough, fight the fantasy!

Excellent line, can I use that or do you have it copyrighted?

408 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:54:04am

re: #358 Killian Bundy

First, he writes this in the morning paper and then, just like he has every day for the last two weeks, he gets on the TV and repeats his apocalyptic bad mouthing of the economy. WTF is his problem?

/SHUT THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] UP YOU CHICKEN LITTLE ASS!

No, let him keep talking and writing.
The more he's out in people's living rooms via TV and MFM, the sooner they will see through him and the sooner they will get totally annoyed any time he opens his mouth.

He'll soon end up like the little boy who cried 'wolf' too often.

Still sucks, I know - but look at it as a nice way towards PB0's self-destruction.

409 mean Gene  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:54:06am

re: #380 nyc redneck

I agree.
Somewhere I read that Pelosi had the bill ready for him on his first day in.
All he had to do was sign on.
Has he even read it?
That's what all those old white guys in his Cabinet and at VP are for......he'll take their abstract.

410 Peacekeeper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:54:12am

re: #377 notutopia

Email me Mandy.


Your whatty?

411 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:54:44am
412 faraway  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:54:59am

[no phone numbers allowed you moron]

413 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:55:09am

re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, then, some quotations will even have substance?

No, I'll make sure that doesn't happen.

414 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:55:12am

Is it too late to revamp the Constitution?

No elections for the 535 congresscritters. We just draw lots every 2 or 6 years and randomly select the ones that goes to Washington. One shot only, you can't "win" more than once. If the budget is in debt and there is no declared war, it comes out of your own pocket.

Oh, and taxpayers only.

415 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:55:34am

re: #377 notutopia

My ISP is unable to contact others through their links.

I'll blue mine now.

416 Kragar  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:55:42am

re: #411 Creeping Eruption

OT: Some more rosey financial news:

Treasury overpaid banks by about 80 Billion in first round of bailout

Which boat has the tea in it nowadays?

417 faraway  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:56:38am

[obama's middle name not allowed]

418 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:56:56am

re: #388 Peacekeeper

Did he end up robbing any liquor stores?

Only ones that had some fine Bravari. (A Centauri alcoholic beverage)

419 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:57:00am

Test.

420 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:57:09am

Recount trial continues as Supreme Court ponders Franken certificate


[Link: www.kare11.com...]

421 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:57:19am

re: #419 MandyManners

Test.

Fail
/

422 HippieforLife  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:57:22am

I am just so PO'd about all this PR bull. I always thought that President Bush should have stood up more to his detractors, but he chose to stay above it. However, I don't think that he ever was so brash as to basically tell the Democrats to just stand aside and keep quiet.

The O's message of "hope" is a little skewed. The loudest people on the left just want a one party government. I do believe that is called communism. Or maybe it is just socialism lite. One idiot poster at Huffpo made the comment that the GOP is made up of only traitors and cowards. What an ass!

I think that the O believes he can get everything done his way if he just "talks to the people". But all he is saying is "my way or the highway".

423 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:57:23am
424 Athos  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:57:34am

re: #313 Mr. Sandman

I see the Obambi / uber-Progressive sycophant has finally trolled into the discussion by trying to move the goalposts from the failure of a stimulus package to focus on a Republican Senator whose position is that a stimulus bill should be built on the same principles proven in the past to stimulate the economy and increase government revenues - by simply making the 01/03 tax cuts permanent and cutting the corporate income tax and capital gains tax rates. (Let's not forget that when these tax cuts expire, there will be a significant negative impact on the economy as tax rates rebound to higher rates.)

We have the diversion of the 'populous' fallacy around tax cuts favoring the rich - the misrepresentation of the CBO report on the bill and the vague claims of 'serious economists' saying that a $500 tax credit to each taxpayer earning less than $75K and massive spending on pet social engineering / entitlement projects will stop a 'depression'.

If there is anyone who seeks to obfuscate and obstruct, it's our goalpost moving troll.

425 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:57:43am

re: #419 MandyManners

You are all blue in the face

426 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:57:56am

re: #328 Walter L. Newton

And you voted for him, so you are one of the screwers.

Yep, that would be me. Usually about half the country feels screwed when the power shifts, but the minority can keep their half less unhappy and control a radical swing in congress that could screw both sides.

427 faraway  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:58:12am

[no conservative ideas allowed]

428 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:58:13am

re: #384 Walter L. Newton

If it helps to change the world, I will. I'll even make up quotations.

Make up your mind. Do you want to be a commissar or a journalist. Your willingness to make shit up makes you highly qualified to be the latter.....
/ ;>)

429 Spiny Norman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:58:17am

re: #414 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Is it too late to revamp the Constitution?

No elections for the 535 congresscritters. We just draw lots every 2 or 6 years and randomly select the ones that goes to Washington. One shot only, you can't "win" more than once. If the budget is in debt and there is no declared war, it comes out of your own pocket.

Oh, and taxpayers only.

Wasn't it Bill Buckley who quipped that (paraphrased) Congress could be replaced with the first 400 names in the Boston phone directory and we'd not notice the difference?

430 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:58:28am

re: #411 Creeping Eruption

OT: Some more rosey financial news:

Treasury overpaid banks by about 80 Billion in first round of bailout

That's what we get for letting Pelosi do the math.

431 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:58:32am

I posted this on a couple of earlier threads, just as everyone was leaving (sigh), so I apologize for repeating it (last time I promise).

It's important, and is germane to this topic, given the potential results:

The Unconstitutional Compromise

George Will's column on the move to end-run the Constitution with respect to the status of the District of Columbia.

432 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:58:35am

re: #419 MandyManners

Test.

You're losing your touch.

/or, at least, your vocabulary

433 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:58:41am

re: #409 mean Gene

I agree.
Somewhere I read that Pelosi had the bill ready for him on his first day in.
All he had to do was sign on.
Has he even read it?
That's what all those old white guys in his Cabinet and at VP are for......he'll take their abstract.

and of course, this is exactly why they wanted him in there.

434 Lee Coller  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:58:45am

re: #81 MandyManners

I had Fox on in the kitchen. As I was passing by to the laundry room, I heard CBBHO say something about children's libraries. As I passed back by a few moments later, I heard him say something about clean energy. Did I mishear or did he really say that? What do either have to do "stimulating the economy" or with each other?

Quite simple Mandy, we'll all end up librarians. By the way, it's "Dear Leader" not CBBHO.

435 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:58:57am

re: #313 Mr. Sandman

I doubt it'll make a difference but, you might want to check out the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

436 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:59:04am

( OFF LIMITS TO ALL MILITARY PERSONNEL )

437 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:59:45am

Just called around.

Interestingly, Boxer's line is not tied up. Feistein's is as well as all of the moderate dems and republicans.

Call Boxer.

She is up for re-election in 2010. She needs a little scare put into her.

And if her line gets to a busy signal then the rest of the Dems might get cold feet.

4-3841

438 Ojoe  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:59:46am

Sonofabitch

439 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:59:57am

re: #426 avanti

Yep, that would be me. Usually about half the country feels screwed when the power shifts, but the minority can keep their half less unhappy and control a radical swing in congress that could screw both sides.

It's not about being "unhappy". It's about watching a fucking Marxist take this nation down.

440 rightside  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:00:41am

re: #419 MandyManners


Spam her now! Spam her now!

441 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:00:41am

Just got a phone call from someone wanting to know the best way to preserve her invitation to the inauguration. It took all my willpower to not say, "in the litter box."

442 debutaunt  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:00:55am

re: #429 Spiny Norman

Wasn't it Bill Buckley who quipped that (paraphrased) Congress could be replaced with the first 400 names in the Boston phone directory and we'd not notice the difference?

Anything to get Pelosi out of the line of succession.

443 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:00:57am

re: #429 Spiny Norman

Wasn't it Bill Buckley who quipped that (paraphrased) Congress could be replaced with the first 400 names in the Boston phone directory and we'd not notice the difference?

Yes it was. Struck by the sheer stupidity of our reps, getting a random cross-section of real tax paying people would generate fewer idiots and morons.

There will be some, but relatively few, and most regular folks will just work hard to do a good job.

Randomness takes away the billions of $$ blown on campaigns and much of the favor buying that goes on.

444 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:01:11am

re: #434 Lee Coller

Quite simple Mandy, we'll all end up librarians. By the way, it's "Dear Leader" not CBBHO.

He'll always be a Commie Bastard to me.

445 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:01:29am

re: #426 avanti

Yep, that would be me. Usually about half the country feels screwed when the power shifts, but the minority can keep their half less unhappy and control a radical swing in congress that could screw both sides.

Republicans taking back congress would be a "radical swing?"

"that could screw both sides?"

446 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:01:34am

re: #384 Walter L. Newton
"If it helps to change the world, I will. I'll even make up quotations."
Knew we could count on ya Walter!
:)

447 Athos  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:01:55am

re: #437 karmic_inquisitor

Frankly, given the state of politics in California, it is very unlikely that anyone outside of someone further to the left of Boxer providing any scare for her in 2010.

448 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:02:06am

re: #424 Athos

Apparently, he did a drive-by trolling.

449 Lee Coller  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:02:19am

re: #444 MandyManners

He'll always be a Commie Bastard to me.

Don't let the Civilian Defense Force hear that!

450 notutopia  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:02:35am

re: #415 MandyManners

My ISP is unable to contact others through their links.

I'll blue mine now.

That's fine, awaiting your blue.

451 Athos  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:02:43am

re: #448 VioletTiger

It's his MO.

452 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:02:44am

re: #426 avanti

So by your theory, you voted for Obama to prevent the country from moving towards the left?

453 saberry0530  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:02:45am

re: #228 pegcity

she probably doesn't have more than 5 months to live, once its in your pancreas chances are by that point its already spread to your other organs.

Uncle died from pancreatic cancer couple of years ago. Took 9 months, but the last 3 were tough.

454 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:03:39am

re: #435 MandyManners
That was right thoughty of you Mandy but it won't make any difference, I'm afraid. Still, good on you for trying!

455 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:03:46am

re: #422 HippieforLife

I am just so PO'd about all this PR bull. I always thought that President Bush should have stood up more to his detractors, but he chose to stay above it. However, I don't think that he ever was so brash as to basically tell the Democrats to just stand aside and keep quiet.

The O's message of "hope" is a little skewed. The loudest people on the left just want a one party government. I do believe that is called communism. Or maybe it is just socialism lite. One idiot poster at Huffpo made the comment that the GOP is made up of only traitors and cowards. What an ass!

I think that the O believes he can get everything done his way if he just "talks to the people". But all he is saying is "my way or the highway".

I heard a quote from Obama last night on the radio. Can't remember the exact context but he said "I will not tolerate......"
Who does he think he's talking to? That really pissed me off and his imperious tone made it worse. Somebody needs to remind him that he isn't a fucking dictator.....

456 joncelli  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:04:01am

re: #110 DeafDog

Let's send them all, then "accidentally" leak their group essay insulting the Ayatollah Khomeini, the Prophet, and Allah (peanut butter upon him) himself. [wink wink, nudge nudge]

457 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:04:06am

re: #439 MandyManners

It's not about being "unhappy". It's about watching a fucking Marxist take this nation down.

Well, at least he's moved from Commie from some to Marxist in your post. In time, maybe I'll hear liberal ?

458 Ojoe  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:04:06am
Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse"

Rah rah rah sis Boom Bah

Way to go

I'm so encouraged

I think I'll spend money

459 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:04:13am

re: #450 notutopia

Here.

460 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:04:34am

re: #447 Athos

Frankly, given the state of politics in California, it is very unlikely that anyone outside of someone further to the left of Boxer providing any scare for her in 2010.

2010 is going to be a backlash year. She is vulnerable. She has little to show for her time in Washington. Plus, I know a guy who is going to run against her. She will absolutely hate him (she already does) and her normal distortions of her opponents won't work - he is happy to be all of the things she hates.

461 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:04:58am

re: #457 avanti

Well, at least he's moved from Commie from some to Marxist in your post. In time, maybe I'll hear liberal ?

DUH.

A Marxist is a Commie.

462 Scion9  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:05:02am

re: #457 avanti

Well, at least he's moved from Commie from some to Marxist in your post. In time, maybe I'll hear liberal ?

Do you even know what Liberal means?

463 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:05:05am

NEW WORD FOR YOUR VOCABULARY

Years ago when I sometimes used unsavory language, I often used the expression "Bull Sh**." As I grew up a bit and discovered it was not necessary to use such crude language, that expression became "BS."

Q. What did I really mean when I used those expressions?

A. I meant that something was ridiculous, idiotic, a half-truth, or just stupid. It covered any number or negative formats. The dictionary defines it as: nonsense; especially foolish insolent talk.

I have decided that I will no longer use either of those expressions in the future. When I have the need to express those feelings, I will use the word "Pelosi".

Let me use it in a sentence. "That's just a bunch of Pelosi." I encourage you to do the same. It is such a good word. It really packs a lot of punch. We are no longer being vulgar but it clearly expresses our feelings. If enough of us use it, it's possible we can get the word in the dictionary.

This would be an excellent legacy for the Speaker of the House.

PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO AT LEAST 1000 PEOPLE...

Thank you!
(hat tip: Andy W.-Spfd, IL)

464 JustABill  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:05:13am

Of course Obama employs straw men. If he did not, they would be unemployed straw men. With 500 million Americans losing their jobs each month, we don't need any more unemployment...

465 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:05:34am

re: #454 realwest

That was right thoughty of you Mandy but it won't make any difference, I'm afraid. Still, good on you for trying!

Maybe others who are salvageable will read it and catch a clue.

466 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:05:54am

re: #449 Lee Coller

Don't let the Civilian Defense Force hear that!

I'd say it to his face.

467 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:07:15am

re: #328 Walter L. Newton

And you voted for him, so you are one of the screwers.

Yeah but in fairness Avanti didn't know Obama was going to be a socialist. Only us un-nuanced rubes who were listening to what he actually said figured that out.
/

468 realwest  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:07:58am

re: #457 avanti
Nope, I doubt it avanti - there are no liberals left - the Democratic Party is totally controlled by the Left and mostly by the FAR LEFT. Yes they let Lieberman caucus with them, but only cause they hope to keep him voting with them.
And it's a shame - there used to be liberals with whom you could have a knowledgeable, interesting disagreement, but I don't recall any "liberals" who wished ill for American nor who disliked and disrespected America.

469 Athos  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:08:05am

re: #460 karmic_inquisitor

Would be interesting - but for those of us in CA's flyover country, staring down the budget crisis and efforts of the Democrats (and Ahnold) to stuff through huge increases in taxes to 'fix' a spending addiction that has existed for decades - it is difficult to see anyone getting traction given the strength of the progressive base in LA / Bay Area.

470 notutopia  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:09:30am

re: #466 MandyManners

Sent, Mandy.

471 Throbert McGee  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:10:49am

Reading Obama's vacuous "proposals" (i.e., we need to protect health care; we need to fix aging bridges), the thought occurred to me that Walter really needs to teach Maisey the Parrot how to say:

"Holy shit, really?!?"
"Holy shit, really?!?"
"Holy shit, really?!?"

472 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:11:53am

re: #452 formercorpsman

So by your theory, you voted for Obama to prevent the country from moving towards the left?

I voted for change, we tried 8 years with the GOP in power and it went badly with both congress and President at record low approval ratings. I want it to move to the left, but not the Pelosi left. Obama needs to get her under control, or work to get the house to dump her. She is not as willing to work with the hope and change thing and reach out to the GOP.
He was naive to think he could reverse the partisan politics in a few weeks in my opinion.

473 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:12:06am

re: #461 MandyManners

DUH.

A Marxist is a Commie.

And a Progressive is a Commie as well. Progressives are the smart libtards that know that even the half asleep sheep in this country were starting to wake up to what liberals really were.......so they just changed the name. Figure that'll buy 'em a couple more decades before everybody catches on. Then of course they'll change again....probably become the Mom and Apple Pie Party (using Red Delicious apples as their main ingredient, of course).
/

474 joncelli  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:12:52am

re: #294 Dianna

No, that's Babylon 5.

475 jwb7605  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:15:50am

re: #473 LGoPs

And a Progressive is a Commie as well. Progressives are the smart libtards that know that even the half asleep sheep in this country were starting to wake up to what liberals really were.......so they just changed the name. Figure that'll buy 'em a couple more decades before everybody catches on. Then of course they'll change again....probably become the Mom and Apple Pie Party (using Red Delicious apples as their main ingredient, of course).
/

I was watching Glenn Beck when he was still on HN, and apparently the "progressive" party got started back at the turn of the last century. They changed their name to "liberal", and when that left a bad taste, they changed back to "progressive" again, and nobody is old enough to remember.

476 HippieforLife  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:20:51am

re: #88 nikis-knight

Thank you for posting that link.

Did I miss the part where the stimulating came in?

477 noshariaincanada  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:24:06am

Obama is one sanctimonious s.o.b.

478 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:32:03am

OK, I need a favor. Could I get a really, really big ding down on this post so taxfreekiller does not have to spend so much time back dinging my every post. Get me up to minus 500 or so, and he can spend less time letting me know that he does not like my vote or opinions.

479 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:33:45am

re: #385 Land Shark

Does your collection include the 6 feature length movies?

480 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:37:02am

re: #473 LGoPs

And a Progressive is a Commie as well. Progressives are the smart libtards that know that even the half asleep sheep in this country were starting to wake up to what liberals really were.......so they just changed the name. Figure that'll buy 'em a couple more decades before everybody catches on. Then of course they'll change again....probably become the Mom and Apple Pie Party (using Red Delicious apples as their main ingredient, of course).
/

Like I've said before, if you truly believe our POTUS is a Commie, prove it to congress and I'll support his impeachment on any charge we could come up with.
Just tossing out that comment every now and then feeds the moon bats on the left perception that the right is as nuts as they are.

481 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:37:11am
482 Mr. Neutron  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:37:19am

Only 1075 days to go!
Countdown to 2012

483 Lincolntf  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:42:45am

re: #478 avanti

Don't sweat it. Down-dinging (while occasionally warranted, just because it's easier than everyone wasting pixels on identical "you're wrong", "that's not funny" and "Racist!" posts) is kind of another measure of the effectiveness of the communicator. If I were to post on DailyKos, I'd expect to have a karma lower than Clinton's morals.
That said, I've read many of your posts and you're almost always wrong. Both in analysis and prediction.

484 Boxy_brown  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:43:07am

re: #472 avanti

I voted for change,

You are a goddamed moron/troll. Do me a favor and take the USN out of your avatar. There is no need to tarnish the Navy with your STUPIDITY by proxy.

485 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:46:13am
486 gmsc  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:47:01am
In recent days, there have been misguided criticisms of this plan that echo the failed theories that helped lead us into this crisis — the notion that tax cuts alone will solve all our problems...

I have not heard of a single person who says “tax cuts alone” are the solution.

I think what 0bama is referring to here is something that was mentioned in recent polls:

A stimulus plan with tax cuts only is supported by 64% of Republicans, 31% of Democrats and 46% of unaffiliated voters. It is opposed by 17% of Republicans, 46% of Democrats and 35% of unaffiliated voters. Obama initially proposed $350 billion for tax cuts in the recovery plan, but the congressional Democratic leadership lowered this to $275 billion to make way for more spending.

487 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:51:59am

re: #486 gmsc

The support for some kind of stimulus is 75%

488 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:52:18am

re: #358 Killian Bundy

First, he writes this in the morning paper and then, just like he has every day for the last two weeks, he gets on the TV and repeats his apocalyptic bad mouthing of the economy. WTF is his problem?

/SHUT THE [EXPLETIVE DELETED] UP YOU CHICKEN LITTLE ASS!

If that's not hope, I don't know what is!

489 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:59:51am

re: #472 avanti

I voted for change, we tried 8 years with the GOP in power and it went badly with both congress and President at record low approval ratings.

How's that working out for you?

A short anecdote: I have a liberal friend who was also in the Navy (drafted). He says they couldn't wait to get rid of him. I've known him for over twenty-five years, and the first I ever heard of him mentioning his service was when GWB became president, and he hooked himself up with anti-war veterans groups. He hated being in the service, but when he wanted to, he used it for cred to bash Republicans.

Just sayin'.

490 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:03:14pm

re: #472 avanti

Stating the obvious, we really have divergent perspectives.

If you don't mind the questions, I'll pursue the dialog.

Citing your assertion of the GOP's bad results, hinging on low approval ratings, would you deem an Obama record worse if the Iranians obtain nuclear weapon capability while under his watch?

491 Cielolady  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:13:30pm

Thanks for the link. obama is out for his own agenda.. any way he can get it.re: #172 VioletTiger

In case you didn't see Graham rip Obama on the stimulus nonsense. It's a good start.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

492 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:16:18pm

re: #490 formercorpsman

Stating the obvious, we really have divergent perspectives.

If you don't mind the questions, I'll pursue the dialog.

Citing your assertion of the GOP's bad results, hinging on low approval ratings, would you deem an Obama record worse if the Iranians obtain nuclear weapon capability while under his watch?

Not on that one single issue since as I've said before, we are not the worlds cop. If for example, Israel does not act to take them even with our approval, then they don't perceive the treat we do. If he pressured them not to act, then I'd have a issue. I don't blame GW for the proliferation of nukes under his watch, it's very difficult issue. I fear Pakistan nukes too.

493 Billy Hank  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:21:44pm

re: #137 dhg4

Ignatius has no credibility with me. He was the one who promoted the Koran flushing and Mike Boorda medals canards.

494 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:21:57pm

re: #489 capitalist piglet

How's that working out for you?

A short anecdote: I have a liberal friend who was also in the Navy (drafted). He says they couldn't wait to get rid of him. I've known him for over twenty-five years, and the first I ever heard of him mentioning his service was when GWB became president, and he hooked himself up with anti-war veterans groups. He hated being in the service, but when he wanted to, he used it for cred to bash Republicans.

Just sayin'.

Since I mostly live outside the LFG bubble, in a blue state. it's going very well. Although I was in the Navy, it was for 20 years, and I've voted for the man, not the party.i.e Nixon, Reagan as well as Clinton, Obama.

495 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:33:59pm

re: #484 Boxy_brown

You are a goddamed moron/troll. Do me a favor and take the USN out of your avatar. There is no need to tarnish the Navy with your STUPIDITY by proxy.

That avatar represents my permanent appointment as a Chief Petty Office and I'll remove it when they bust me down by a act of te Secretary of the Navy. I served for 20 years, partly to protect YOUR free speech rights, so don't fuck with mine.

496 ladycatnip  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:34:54pm

#472 avanti

I voted for change, we tried 8 years with the GOP in power and it went badly with both congress and President at record low approval ratings.

Want to clarify that you do understand GW had a democrat-ruled congress since 2006, which means the GOP was NOT in power for the last two years. That same congress had (and probably still has) single digit approval ratings, lower than GW.

So this change you voted for is brought to you by none other than the same people! And the little darlings that the O keeps putting forth for his Cabinet have all been caught as tax evaders. Lovely.

And this ridiculous stimulus package is simply payback to many of his cronies. What the public is beginning to see is there is no there there with Obama. You do acknowledge that never once in his run for prez did he ever tell anyone what he meant by Change. So far, it's just more of the same, but now with dirty Chicago politics mixed in.

497 Tigger2005  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:38:02pm

We be doomed.

498 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:38:57pm

Obama's mistake - ordering up all the "SHOVEL READY" projects as a solution. By definition it brings in all the pork projects, all the butterfly gardens, all the fish ladders, all the bridges to nowhere.

Obama's mistake - deciding to try to rush this thing through, rather than step back and take a clear look at the root causes of the problem, then addressing those problems, even when the problem is Barney Frank.

Obama's mistake - Claiming that 'education spending' will solve the crisis. This isn't the Chicago Annenberg Challenge money given to you to piss away on activist projects, and celebrating Juneteenth, but that is how you think, and it is now finally coming to light. Everything we need to know about how the POTUS attacks a problem is right there in the Annenberg Challenge.

Obama's problem - people are seeing through it. Thus the impassioned speeches.

499 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:41:49pm

re: #496 ladycatnip

#472 avanti

Want to clarify that you do understand GW had a democrat-ruled congress since 2006, which means the GOP was NOT in power for the last two years. That same congress had (and probably still has) single digit approval ratings, lower than GW.

So this change you voted for is brought to you by none other than the same people! And the little darlings that the O keeps putting forth for his Cabinet have all been caught as tax evaders. Lovely.

And this ridiculous stimulus package is simply payback to many of his cronies. What the public is beginning to see is there is no there there with Obama. You do acknowledge that never once in his run for prez did he ever tell anyone what he meant by Change. So far, it's just more of the same, but now with dirty Chicago politics mixed in.


The task for Obama is to stand up to congress on both sides to pss the agenda the country voted for. Time will tell if he can get his bills passed.

500 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:42:17pm

re: #492 avanti

To be totally honest, and fair to Bush, the nuclear proliferation was on before he assumed office.

We were taken by surprise by Pakistan, North Korea, and despite how many pundits beg to differ, Iraq did have the plans in place to pursue this as well. Let us not forget 1981.

After our incursion with Iraq, Qaddafi seemed pretty willing to bark about his advancements too.

Would you not agree, after 911, the concept of being the world's cop is a concept out of fashion? This plan was hashed out half a world away, funded through a multitude of international channels obviously missed by the host country's intelligence apparatus.

Ultimately, and especially given the take as it relates to the Oil for Food scandal, relying on other countries to honestly participate in helping stem such proliferation via the Security Council, or election to the IAEA, is a wet dream. It forced us into the defacto position of being the world's police for our own sake.

In a sweet irony, having Obama assume the presidency, put Israel in the same position.

So I guess my question in response, in your opinion, given that Iran becomes a nuclear power, what else has to occur that would make you think otherwise?

Most folks I know have probably 3 or 4 key issues they vote for. That is my inference.

501 HippieforLife  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:44:27pm

re: #480 avanti

Do you have a better name for one party rule? That seems to be what the Democrats are advocating when they say that the Republicans should shut up and go away.

Or maybe that is just their updated version of "bipartisanship".

502 ladycatnip  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:49:01pm

499 avanti

The task for Obama is to stand up to congress on both sides to pss the agenda the country voted for. Time will tell if he can get his bills passed.

No, his task is to lead the country, not shove his socialist ideas down our throats. There was no mandate in this election - which means only 1/2 of the country voted for him. There's still the other half. He did say that he wanted to reach out across the aisle, but has yet to do that. Instead he claims "I won!" which is beyond immature. I was always told growing up that if you have to convince people who you are, i.e., "I'm the boss!", then clearly you're not who you think you are.

The first thing Obama needs to do is to get over himself and this ridiculous notion that he's this enlightened being that people will blindly follow.

503 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:49:09pm

re: #498 Roses

I predict that the final bill that will be passed will be much cleaner. As we speak, the senate is doing more of the trimming that started in the house. The house dumped the birth control and mall renovation crap, the STD and more junk will get dumped in the Senate I expect.
Obama is holding a prime time talk Monday, probably to address what he thinks of the Senate bill before it goes back to the house. The final bill won't make not make everyone happy, but it will pass.

504 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:50:26pm

Two solutions for Obama -

1. It's the housing market. Fixing that problem puts all kinds of people BACK to work. Creating a bunch of new bridge painting jobs won't do that. Housing drives so many jobs, carpenters, sheetrock layers, lumber, plumbing, manufacturers and laborers, real estate agents, title companies, landscapers, decorators, people who make and sell curtains, rugs, furniture - the list is endless.

It is a SIMPLE FIX.

2. If you insist on pursuing INFRASTRUCTURE projects, you must first institute a ban or a stay on predatory litigious activist environmentalist groups who obstruct, delay and stop those projects with predatory lawsuits, driving up costs and dragging out production schedules for years. Be honest and admit why the New Orleans levees hadn't been strengthened.

In northern California, CalTrans is proposing to widen curve in a major highway at Richardson Grove. It means cutting down a couple of trees. That simple fix is being fought by the activist community. You can pass all the infrastructure projects through in this monstrosity, it will be YEARS before any of that money hits the private sector IF EVER.

They will also now automatically put the carpenters, plumbers, electricians, sheetrockers, real estate agents, etc. back to work. They aren't going to get hired to build a bridge.

For God's sake put an end to this process. Do not go on a national crusade to force it down our throats. And burden future generations with the costs of this ill thought out "solution."

505 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:51:46pm

Besides these silly strawman arguments, obama is fear mongering in a big way.

506 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:53:11pm

Sleep well - Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are in charge of all sorts of economic decisions related to the housing and financial markets.
All while the axis of Pelosisi/Reid attempt to ram it through with fear mongering. obama as the cherry on top of that shit cake.

/Lord help us!

507 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:53:55pm
508 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:53:55pm

Make a call. If you can get through.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

509 jester6  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:55:39pm

Considering the media coverage of the economy and stimulus bill this should be really easy to pass. The fact that the Reps and some Dems are trying to pare this thing down tells me the media coverage is not consistent with the calls coming into their offices.

510 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:55:49pm
511 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:56:01pm

re: #494 avanti

Since I mostly live outside the LFG bubble, in a blue state. it's going very well. Although I was in the Navy, it was for 20 years, and I've voted for the man, not the party.i.e Nixon, Reagan as well as Clinton, Obama.

What do you mean, "outside the LGF bubble"? You like what's going on right now, with your tax dollars, in unheard of amounts, poised to be spent on social programs under the guise of repairing the economy? You really are a lefty.

512 Boxy_brown  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:57:05pm
That avatar represents my permanent appointment as a Chief Petty Office and I'll remove it when they bust me down by a act of te Secretary of the Navy.


Not here it does, what it represents here is that YOU are trying to trade off the the USN to add legitimacy to your opinions. Since you are a horses ass all you are doing is tarnishing MY Navy.

I served for 20 years, partly to protect YOUR free speech rights, so don't fuck with mine.


Congratulations, too bad you didn't learn a goddamn thing. I served for 10 (+). Where have you seen me trading off it to legitimize an otherwise stupid argument? "Fuck with your free speech"? No one is going to arrest and prosecute you for being a shithead so in keeping with the theme here: nice straw man. You have the constitutional right to be kool aid drinking rube. I have the Constitutional right to point out that it is classless to drag the Navy into it. Since Avanti cars were always pieces of shit you are clear to drag them down all you want.

513 ladycatnip  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:57:24pm

Here's my stimulus package: instead of 900Billion in pork and handouts to special interests, send 1M to every American citizen living here in the U.S. With a population of 305,755,788, we'd still have change left over after everyone gets their check.

514 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:58:47pm

CORRECTION to 504 above - They will also NOT automatically put the carpenters, plumbers, electricians, sheetrockers, real estate agents, etc. back to work. They aren't going to get hired to build a bridge.

NOT. (dang typos!)

515 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:59:42pm
516 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:00:23pm

re: #500 formercorpsman

You make quite a few good points. As to the key issues for me, I'll try and rank my feelings. First, as was most of the electorate, I was not happy with the direction the country was going, change if you will. At first, Mccain was a possibly for me until he got too close to the religious right, then the deal breaker for me pick of Palin for VP.
I then was then pulling for Clinton, and had to switch to Obama. I read his books, did my homework and although I had some issues, I was convinced that he would move the country more to my liking then McCain. You may well disagree with that direction, but it was my choice.
I see it everyday when Obama does something I like, and the folks here go nuts. It's the nature of modern politics, about half the country will be dancing, the other half crying.

517 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:05:12pm

re: #503 avanti

I predict that the final bill that will be passed will be much cleaner. As we speak, the senate is doing more of the trimming that started in the house. The house dumped the birth control and mall renovation crap, the STD and more junk will get dumped in the Senate I expect.
Obama is holding a prime time talk Monday, probably to address what he thinks of the Senate bill before it goes back to the house. The final bill won't make not make everyone happy, but it will pass.

Obama held a TALK today. More empty words. "America cannot afford delay" "Delay means we are doomed..." He is a DISASTER.

Worse. He is a fool. This isn't about WINNING this little campaign he has going. It is supposed to be about stabilizing the economy.

IT OUGHT TO BE ABOUT FIXING THE REAL PROBLEM, AVANTI, BUT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS. You poor tool.

518 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:06:03pm

re: #501 HippieforLife

Do you have a better name for one party rule? That seems to be what the Democrats are advocating when they say that the Republicans should shut up and go away.

Or maybe that is just their updated version of "bipartisanship".


That's the old politics practiced by both sides, it has to change at some point. The back and forth, grade school payback shit has to end. Obama might be naive thinking he can succeed stopping it, but I'll give him a chance.
A few weeks on here, shows how hard it is to start a dialog, but, a few try and thanks for that.

519 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:06:06pm
520 HippieforLife  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:06:31pm

re: #455 LGoPs

His arrogance is truly amazing. I cannot figure out why no one seemed to notice that.

521 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:07:34pm
522 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:10:15pm

re: #513 ladycatnip

Here's my stimulus package: instead of 900Billion in pork and handouts to special interests, send 1M to every American citizen living here in the U.S. With a population of 305,755,788, we'd still have change left over after everyone gets their check.

Excellent plan. People pay off their mortgages and credit cards, that strengthens our nation. They buy new homes, and new cars, that fixes the housing and automotive industries. People send their kids to school, invest in new businesses - it's a win win. More than trickle down, this is a ripple effect

We can deal with the inflation later. :) (And in 6 months, some people will be broke.)

523 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:10:49pm

re: #516 avanti

Do you think McCain was moving to the religious right, or courting the religious right?

524 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:11:15pm

re: #522 Roses

Excellent plan. People pay off their mortgages and credit cards, that strengthens our nation. They buy new homes, and new cars, that fixes the housing and automotive industries. People send their kids to school, invest in new businesses - it's a win win. More than trickle down, this is a ripple effect

We can deal with the inflation later. :) (And in 6 months, some people will be broke.)

Actually - with that plan you can also ELIMINATE all welfare spending. they won't need it since they're being made wealthy over night. Imagine the savings!

525 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:13:52pm

re: #516 avanti

In your last sentence, you imply some early accomplishments to your liking.

Anything in particular?

526 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:14:04pm

re: #513 ladycatnip

Here's my stimulus package: instead of 900Billion in pork and handouts to special interests, send 1M to every American citizen living here in the U.S. With a population of 305,755,788, we'd still have change left over after everyone gets their check.

900 billion to 300 million people is $3000 each, not a million. check my math, but I think it's right.

527 ladycatnip  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:14:07pm

#516 avanti

I then was then pulling for Clinton, and had to switch to Obama. I read his books, did my homework and although I had some issues, I was convinced that he would move the country more to my liking then McCain. You may well disagree with that direction, but it was my choice.

I had a completely different response to his books. It was strange to me that he would be writing autobiographies at his age. Then, why the need for two? He's never done anything of significance to write even one. Being a community organizer then sitting in the senate for 143 days voting "present" is certainly not what one would call a distinguishable career. So right off the bat he came across as a narcissist. His huge portfolio of halo pics and his reactions to the press when they asked questions he didn't like - barring them from his campaign bus/train/plane - bears out the armchair diagnosis of being a narcissist.

528 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:18:45pm

re: #522 Roses

Excellent plan. People pay off their mortgages and credit cards, that strengthens our nation. They buy new homes, and new cars, that fixes the housing and automotive industries. People send their kids to school, invest in new businesses - it's a win win. More than trickle down, this is a ripple effect

We can deal with the inflation later. :) (And in 6 months, some people will be broke.)

$3000 each won't pay off my house, but the million suggested would. We just need a much bigger plan for that.:)

529 HippieforLife  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:19:25pm

re: #518 avanti

Change for change sake is not always the best policy. It seems to me that if he really wanted to "reach out" he would not be all over the TV and newspapers telling everyone that the sky is fallen and that his party is the only one that can stop that. But when asked, he really can't say just how much "stimulating" will be accomplished by spending this much. No, he just keeps repeating that gloom and doom mantra.

Remember when the left was complaining that Bush was using the politics of fear to make us more compliant? I clearly remember Al Gore screaming "he played on your fears"! This is the same thing only people wanting to kill us should make us a little fearful. Endowment for the Arts? Not so much to be afraid of.

I think that his ego may be his downfall. The old saying that pride goeth before a fall could apply here.

530 ladycatnip  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:20:23pm

#526 avanti

900 billion to 300 million people is $3000 each, not a million. check my math, but I think it's right.

You're right. I had to chuckle after I posted that - I didn't check the math, but it sounds good! Sorta like Pelosi telling the camera that every month 500 million people lose their jobs.

I still like my plan better.

531 a marine mom  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:22:18pm

Truly this president is in, over his head and not up for the job. He is way too naive in his approach to problems w/o having the ability to critically think the solution.

From the get-go, giving the lunatic, Grandma Nancy in the House the job to write the "Stimulus Package Bill" w/o white paper directives is a major blunder.

Closing Gitmo w/o knowing what to do with the detainees is a major blunder.

Picking tax evaders for high posts in government, major blunders.

It seem to me, that the man god doesn't know how to lead and is making his advisers et al., run the show while he sticks his face on TV every chance he gets.

I wonder if he will ever stop campaigning.

532 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:22:42pm
533 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:22:54pm

re: #512 Boxy_brown

Congratulations, too bad you didn't learn a goddamn thing. I served for 10 (+). Where have you seen me trading off it to legitimize an otherwise stupid argument? "Fuck with your free speech"? No one is going to arrest and prosecute you for being a shithead so in keeping with the theme here: nice straw man. You have the constitutional right to be kool aid drinking rube. I have the Constitutional right to point out that it is classless to drag the Navy into it. Since Avanti cars were always pieces of shit you are clear to drag them down all you want.

Great rant. My father, a conservative and a Navy corpsman who served with the 4th Marine Division on Iwo Jima, would thank you if he were able.

I hesitate to comment on these things too much, because I haven't served myself and I don't have the authority that comes with it, but I have a difficult time with liberals who use the military for cred to advance their often anti-military agenda.

534 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:23:23pm

re: #437 karmic_inquisitor

Just called around.

Interestingly, Boxer's line is not tied up. Feistein's is as well as all of the moderate dems and republicans.

Call Boxer.

She is up for re-election in 2010. She needs a little scare put into her.

And if her line gets to a busy signal then the rest of the Dems might get cold feet.

4-3841

It won't do any good. Boxer is as partisan as they come. NOTHING on this planet or any other will move her from the party line.

Feinstein, maybe. She at least has a brain, and has to be horrified at what she is seeing. That one may be worth a try.

535 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:25:00pm

re: #525 formercorpsman

In your last sentence, you imply some early accomplishments to your liking.

Anything in particular?

If I told you, it would just start a big left right pissing contest, so lets just say I have almost no objections to his early decisions. Trying to change anyone's politics from one side to te other, is a waste of time, finding some common ground is not.

536 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:26:41pm

re: #530 ladycatnip

#526 avanti

You're right. I had to chuckle after I posted that - I didn't check the math, but it sounds good! Sorta like Pelosi telling the camera that every month 500 million people lose their jobs.

I still like my plan better.

I frigging love your plan.:) Just glad Drudge did not pick up your math error.

537 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:27:45pm

re: #528 avanti

$3000 each won't pay off my house, but the million suggested would. We just need a much bigger plan for that.:)

Do you honestly think it is going to STAY at 900 Billion? Have you forgotten the package that ALREADY passed? The bailout bill?

Not to mention, if they pass 900 billion, it'll be 2 trillion before they're done, and then the costs will start to go up - the "shovel ready infrastructure projects" like highways and bridges ALWAYS have cost over runs.

There's no end in sight. And no oversight from our lovely elected officials.

When it is all done, avanti, I will blame YOU.

538 mirage  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:28:20pm

re: #535 avanti

If I told you, it would just start a big left right pissing contest, so lets just say I have almost no objections to his early decisions. Trying to change anyone's politics from one side to te other, is a waste of time, finding some common ground is not.

Translation: No, I don't have any examples to give but have to make some kind of retort to sound witty.

539 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:30:26pm

re: #529 HippieforLife

I think that his ego may be his downfall. The old saying that pride goeth before a fall could apply here.

I agree. Ego can be both good or bad, we'll see. It may make him think he can fix anything, or it could drive him to at least try.

540 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:32:31pm

re: #535 avanti

Avanti, I plead guilty to being sarcastic, but rarely do I get hostile with differing points of view.

I ask genuinely, because for the life of me, I don't know of anything he has accomplished since becoming president.

Judging by your previous posts, you are a balance of power type of voter, and I feel this squares with my assumption.

The only things I think one could cite as accomplishments, would be his executive orders so far.

Certainly this did not involve the legislature. By extension, political brokering in the balance of power arena.

541 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:33:52pm

re: #537 Roses

When it is all done, avanti, I will blame YOU.

Fair enough, but wait until change fails, before deciding it will and blaming me and most of the voters. Outside this bubble, my life has not changed a bit yet.

542 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:35:08pm

re: #535 avanti

As well, to be honest, you do come to one of the most highly charged political blogs in the world.

You signed up to be in a pissing contest.

543 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:40:39pm

re: #540 formercorpsman

Avanti, I plead guilty to being sarcastic, but rarely do I get hostile with differing points of view.

I ask genuinely, because for the life of me, I don't know of anything he has accomplished since becoming president.

Judging by your previous posts, you are a balance of power type of voter, and I feel this squares with my assumption.

The only things I think one could cite as accomplishments, would be his executive orders so far.

Certainly this did not involve the legislature. By extension, political brokering in the balance of power arena.

Will you grant me that he seems more driven to move things along ? He did get the child heath care bill passed and signed in his first week, and the stimulus is on the fast track. I like the fact that he's been meeting with the GOP, both at the White House and the hill. I like that he is trying to engage both sides even though it's like herding cats.
It' only been a few weeks, I don't expect instant change though.

544 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:42:20pm

re: #541 avanti

Fair enough, but wait until change fails, before deciding it will and blaming me and most of the voters. Outside this bubble, my life has not changed a bit yet.

That is true. Right now this temper tantrum of the titans is going on in the skies above our heads. When the lightning bolts start hitting the ground, we will be left to put out the fires. The damage will be done. And they will go back to sleep.

Knowing that your statement is true, surely you do not defend Obama's statements today that this must be done NOW! That we are doomed if we do not pass this POS. Surely you agree with that.

There is time to STOP, sit back, look at the real problem rationally. Put some programs in place that allow people in danger of foreclosure to hold on, refinance and keep going. Do something to make whole the people who had their 401Ks and retirement and investment portfolios wiped out.

STOP what is essentially instituting a federal budget on top of the existing federal budget. Maybe two.

Surely on that we can agree?

545 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:43:28pm

re: #542 formercorpsman

As well, to be honest, you do come to one of the most highly charged political blogs in the world.

You signed up to be in a pissing contest.

Not bitching, just commenting on not wasting both our time. i.e. a debate about pro choice/pro life issues would be less then entertaining.

546 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:49:30pm

re: #543 avanti

Ok, the children's health care bill. That is one.

The stimulus is another.

Yeah, he is driven. My retort, it very well could be that drive is running interference in the event the public has the opportunity to find out how much graft is in said stimulus.

Engaging both parties however, is nothing new. All you have to do is actually read up, and you will see Bush practically allowed Ted Kennedy to write No Child Left Behind all to himself.

When the inconsistencies became obvious, Bush was left shouldering the blame for the legislation.

As far as herding cats, I damn well do not want my representatives to go with any of his aims because I oppose them wholesale.

547 kynna  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:49:42pm

re: #541 avanti

Fair enough, but wait until change fails, before deciding it will and blaming me and most of the voters. Outside this bubble, my life has not changed a bit yet.

Why do we have to prove this change fails with our own economic destruction when the proof is all over history. For cryin' out loud. The only that has "changed" is the messenger!

548 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:51:56pm

re: #544 Roses

That is true. Right now this temper tantrum of the titans is going on in the skies above our heads. When the lightning bolts start hitting the ground, we will be left to put out the fires. The damage will be done. And they will go back to sleep.

Knowing that your statement is true, surely you do not defend Obama's statements today that this must be done NOW! That we are doomed if we do not pass this POS. Surely you agree with that.

There is time to STOP, sit back, look at the real problem rationally. Put some programs in place that allow people in danger of foreclosure to hold on, refinance and keep going. Do something to make whole the people who had their 401Ks and retirement and investment portfolios wiped out.

STOP what is essentially instituting a federal budget on top of the existing federal budget. Maybe two.

Surely on that we can agree?

I wish I could, but I do think time is of the essence, the
economy is going sour too fast to spend weeks or months to act. Both sides and most of the country think a stimulus plan is needed, the debate is in the content.
Do I think they could delay it a week or two if there is a real chance to get a better and bipartisan bill, yes I do. If the GOP just digs in it's heels and trys to kill any bill, them ram it with just a few from the other side.
Even after is passes, changes can be made if some ideas are not working.

549 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:53:18pm
550 avanti  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 1:53:47pm

OK,off to do other thing for a bit, thanks for the brain food.

551 Sleepyone  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 2:01:05pm

re: #543 avanti

Will you grant me that he seems more driven to move things along ? He did get the child heath care bill passed and signed in his first week, and the stimulus is on the fast track. I like the fact that he's been meeting with the GOP, both at the White House and the hill. I like that he is trying to engage both sides even though it's like herding cats.
It' only been a few weeks, I don't expect instant change though.

Man are you deluded.

552 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 2:16:27pm

[Link: www.reason.com...]
Stimulis: If you find it hard to achieve and maintain growth

553 ladycatnip  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 2:19:03pm

What continues to baffle my brain is in spite of failure after failure of socialist countries around the world, the uber-left continues to salivate at the thought of making America into a socialist country. Socialism is a failed system. It does not serve the people, it serves those who run the people.

This stimulus package along with Obama wanting to put a cap on bonuses and salaries of ceo's is a socialist agenda. If it's ok to cap corporate salaries, can we cap the salaries of sports figures? How about the Hollywood elites giving up their multi-million dollar payouts? Instead of raking it in at the box office, they get a straight salary. Lawyers are up next. Why should they get 33% or more of a settlement? Just a straight salary, no more, no less.

Well, off to work to make my salary.

554 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 2:22:30pm

re: #553 ladycatnip

Yep, cap movie stars, Bruce Springsteen, pro-ball players, ex-Presidents, and wives of ex-Presidents, Governors and Senators (think Michelle and Mrs. Blago)...

555 kansas  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 2:23:55pm

Does Barack Obama know what a straw man argument is, or did his affirmative action pass get him through that class? Back in the day, in philosophy our instructor taught out of a book by Stuart Chase called Guides to Straight Thinking.

556 Mirage  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 2:26:59pm

re: #548 avanti

I wish I could, but I do think time is of the essence, the
economy is going sour too fast to spend weeks or months to act. Both sides and most of the country think a stimulus plan is needed, the debate is in the content.
Do I think they could delay it a week or two if there is a real chance to get a better and bipartisan bill, yes I do. If the GOP just digs in it's heels and trys to kill any bill, them ram it with just a few from the other side.
Even after is passes, changes can be made if some ideas are not working.

No, I don't think a "stimulus" package is needed and, no, time is not of the essence to keep things from tanking completely. One of the major causes for things going sour is the uncertainty the private sector is facing. Will the government come swooping in to "rescue things" then dictate business policies? Who would invest when they don't know if that investment will evaporate with the stroke of a pen. The government can butt out and stop interferring in the mess they created. The chicken coop got raided... let's call in the fox to investigate the theft.

And we already know wasting tax payer money like there's no tomorrow does not solve any problems which is exactly what the spending package is going to do. (I refuse to call it a stimulus package anymore)

Sure, he's driven... driven to running the country into a proverbial brick wall and cause a catastrophe.

557 Spiny Norman  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 2:40:40pm

I have only 3 words for this ridiculous, monstrous spending bill masquerading as a "stimulus plan":

DIE PORKZILLA DIE!

558 Maui Girl  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 2:49:58pm

re: #140 karmic_inquisitor

There is no recall in the Constitution of the United States.

Doesn't exist.

This is because the position of the POTUS wasn't never meant to hold the power it's been given over the years. It was never the intention of the framers' of the Constitution to give the president much more than a figure head position. The power that past presidents, particularly FDR, managed to accumulate in the "interest of the country" by increasing federal government control over the populace was never meant to happen. When people say that the President and the First Lady are the most powerful people in the world it is an antithesis of what our founding fathers meant when they framed our Constitution.

559 EE  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:57:40pm

"A trillion dollars in unprecedented handouts, giveaways, leftist causes, and pure pork." -- Charles Johnson.

Why won't Obama answer ANY ACTUAL CHARGES against this trillion dollar spending spree? Knocking down his own straw men is an irrelevant diversion.

560 Roses  Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:39:43pm

Tune into his speech, right now. He has just gone to war against the American people. Anyone who criticizes this bill is clinging to the past, the same old tired ways... he says.

The framing has begun. He is positioning, he is CAMPAIGNING! Not for office, but to win on this issue.

he is not a President for all people or all parties, he has just chosen to take the most partisan of stands, from a spa retreat, no less.


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