It’s worse than you think, maybe worse than you could have imagined: 50 De-Stimulating Facts.
A trillion dollars in unprecedented handouts, giveaways, leftist causes, and pure pork.
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J.D. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:55:14pm |
Of course, it wouldn’t be a liberal wish list if it didn’t include something for ACORN, and sure enough, there is $5.2 billion for community-development block grants and “neighborhood stabilization activities,” which ACORN is eligible to apply for
I wondered on the last thread what this would entail.
It is to laugh.
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J.D. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:56:51pm |
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invictus1 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:57:58pm |
re: #4 BignJames
I'm trying not to think.
Maybe, if you try really hard, you can understand this bill.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:58:10pm |
Well, I'm thinking pretty bad already.
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Karagush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:58:49pm |
i think ploome left a Your text to link... link to a blogger with footage of even CHRIS MATTHEWS wonder WTF is up with this non-plan
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Keyboard Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:59:11pm |
The money has to come from somewhere. It doesn't magically show up... argh, I'm not liking where this is going...
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brookly red Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:59:11pm |
No, I really did think it was this bad, really.
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mean Gene Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:59:12pm |
I put this in the spin off links this AM.
It is killer!
Worth saving as the changes are made one can go through and line out one thing or another.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:59:17pm |
We have the worst congress that I can think
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:59:34pm |
Israpundit comes out strongly in favor of the neo-Nazi British National Party:
[Link: www.israpundit.com...]
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HelloDare Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:59:37pm |
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," Rahm Emanuel
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J.D. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 3:59:58pm |
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winston06 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:00:33pm |
Chinese, Saudis and other sworn enemies of the US must be happy to have these Dems as allies in the congress
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:00:35pm |
In light of the continuing scandal of democrats not paying their taxes I’d like to see the following:
The media justifies the hounding of Republicans tainted by scandal by the fact that Republicans are considered to be the party of morality and thus need to be hoist on their own petard for hypocrisy when violating it. Fine, so be it……
Does it not then follow that Democrats - being the party of taxes and lo, even claiming that paying taxes is our patriotic duty - should be fucking crucified in the Press when nary a one can be found that has paid their taxes……..hmmmmmm?
Oh, and I almost forgot again…… IS IT OK NOW FOR US TO CALL THEM UNPATRIOTIC!
We need to start repeating this everywhere until even the comatose sheep out there wake up.......
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:00:43pm |
Since the first "bailout" left 80 billion untraceable dollars, imagine the results of trying to trace $15 billion expansion of the Pell Grant program, $380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program, $300 million for grants to combat violence against women, $2 billion for federal child-care block grants and so on, and so on, ad nauseum.
The whole thing is a shell game.
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Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:00:43pm |
How about $900 billion block grant for my "Economic Literacy Advocacy and Education Fund"
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:01:06pm |
re: #16 HelloDare
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," Rahm Emanuel
Yeah; THEY don't have a vested interest in seeing things get worse.
(spit)
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:01:17pm |
Here piggy, piggy!
*squeal!*
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Karagush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:01:18pm |
Ok blew it. lets try again. I loved watching this.
[Link: finkelblog.com...]
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Amer-I-Can Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:02:31pm |
What a crock of shit. I guess we are now guaranteed to have something to talk to our grandkids about.
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Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:02:39pm |
re: #25 Teacake!
America held hostage
America isn't held hostage...they just elected raving lunatics to pilot the plane.
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:02:46pm |
re: #25 Teacake!
America held hostage
America held hostage and then forced to work in the salt mines for the next 40 years.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:02:48pm |
How the hell did our country come to this, and how the hell did I make the top 10 comments, this is some scary shit.
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HelloDare Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:03:03pm |
Here is some liberal logic and scapegoating from Salon: Obama is stumbling in the stimulus debate -- and public support is dropping -- because for 30 years Republicans have lied about the role of government. Now he's got to tell the truth.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:03:19pm |
But, but, if we don't pass my Porkapalooza RIGHT THIS SECOND, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
/Barack "Chicken Little" Obama
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Soona' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:03:28pm |
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:03:48pm |
That's a lotta taxes to pay for it, that will be so good for the economy
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:04:06pm |
I've removed Israpundit from our blogroll, and blocked the site from being submitted to our spinoff links.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:04:13pm |
re: #30 DEZes
How the hell did our country come to this, and how the hell did I make the top 10 comments, this is some scary shit.
you should have finished that with....
How the hell did our country come to this, and how the hell did I make the top 10 comments, this is some scary shit. Why am I asking you?
-Heddy LaMar
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:04:33pm |
re: #20 jwb7605
Since the first "bailout" left 80 billion untraceable dollars, imagine the results of trying to trace $15 billion expansion of the Pell Grant program, $380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program, $300 million for grants to combat violence against women, $2 billion for federal child-care block grants and so on, and so on, ad nauseum.
The whole thing is a shell game.
gonna create a whole bunch of fed jobs to deal with all the paperwork....
I hate the feds
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:04:47pm |
re: #15 Charles
Israpundit comes out strongly in favor of the neo-Nazi British National Party:
[Link: www.israpundit.com...]
Sides are being taken. I've said it before, but, if you have ever been a person to say "how could it of happened to the people of Europe in the 1930's," well, take a GOOD hard look this time and learn something.
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Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:04:51pm |
Which is better for the economy: Throwing your money in the street or burning it in the fireplace?
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:05:02pm |
re: #33 screaming_eagle
Where's the money to bail out Iran?
Please don't say that out load, Piglosi heard that a billion Iranians lose their jobs every week.
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:05:11pm |
re: #30 DEZes
How the hell did our country come to this, and how the hell did I make the top 10 comments, this is some scary shit.
It could be worse, you could always do a SpaceJesus; they've got 7 in the bottom comments.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:05:45pm |
If you light a cheeto on fire it will burn for a few minutes.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:05:52pm |
re: #19 LGoPs
In light of the continuing scandal of democrats not paying their taxes I’d like to see the following:
The media justifies the hounding of Republicans tainted by scandal by the fact that Republicans are considered to be the party of morality and thus need to be hoist on their own petard for hypocrisy when violating it. Fine, so be it……
Does it not then follow that Democrats - being the party of taxes and lo, even claiming that paying taxes is our patriotic duty - should be fucking crucified in the Press when nary a one can be found that has paid their taxes……..hmmmmmm?
Oh, and I almost forgot again…… IS IT OK NOW FOR US TO CALL THEM UNPATRIOTIC!We need to start repeating this everywhere until even the comatose sheep out there wake up.......
AMEN
And we all should be hounding our local media outlets about this. We need to pressure the media as much as we do Congress.
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Keyboard Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:06:12pm |
P.S. The article says, "...the bill grants NASA $450 million, but it states that the agency must spend at least $200 million on 'climate-research missions,' which raises the question: Is there global warming in space?"
As a former NASA intern, I would like to point out that NASA does do climate research. I worked in the atmospheric chemistry department there, where they do measurements on stuff like hydroxyl radical in the atmosphere. I don't think there are many other places that do the kind of research that they can do (I think there's one in Japan and another in Colorado). I'd probably guess because the measuring equipment is expensive.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:06:19pm |
Better to light one cheeto than to curse the darkness,
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HelloDare Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:06:24pm |
I've figured it out. It's all to help Michelle's children.
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
$380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program
$300 million for grants to combat violence against women
$2 billion for federal child-care block grants
$6 billion for university building projects
$15 billion for boosting Pell Grant college scholarships
$4 billion for job-training programs, including $1.2 billion for “youths” up to the age of 24
$1 billion for community-development block grants
$4.2 billion for “neighborhood stabilization activities”
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:06:54pm |
re: #47 Ojoe
If you light a cheeto on fire it will burn for a few minutes.
So far, that is the most pleasantly useless piece of information on this thread.
I am also much dumber for having read and understood it! (upding)
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DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:07:08pm |
Asked for reaction to the news, Commander Kirk Lippold (Ret.), former Commander aboard the U.S.S. Cole when it was bombed on October 12, 2000, told ABC News that "I am concerned about the President considering dropping the charges because it may be indicative that the president does not intend to follow the military commissions process which has undergone extensive legal and legislative review."
Change!
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:07:20pm |
re: #48 screaming_eagle
AMEN
And we all should be hounding our local media outlets about this. We need to pressure the media as much as we do Congress.
Yes my friend. The drumbeat works. Just watch the left. We need to adapt their tactics.
Repetition is essential.....
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:07:26pm |
re: #40 Walter L. Newton
Sides are being taken. I've said it before, but, if you have ever been a person to say "how could it of happened to the people of Europe in the 1930's," well, take a GOOD hard look this time and learn something.
Oh I wish you hadn't said that. I've been thinking we're looking at a repeat of Germany in the 30's since last summer. :(
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seekeroftruth Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:07:42pm |
re: #20 jwb7605
The whole thing is a shell game.
You are exactly right about a shell game.
Senate Democrats, mocked over trying to stimulate the economy with $475 million to fight smoking and sexually transmitted diseases, removed the programs from the economic recovery package on Tuesday. But the money remains.And, yes, it can still be tapped to help smokers quit and to prevent the spread of STDs.
Under the revised legislation, the secretary of health and human services can dole out the nearly half-billion dollars on prevention of any disease, including STDs, and on a wide array of smoking-related ailments from cancer to hypertension.
"It's a shell game," said Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, chairman of the Republican Policy Committee. "That's why this bill needs to be stopped. That's just one of the reasons."
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]
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Devil's Advocate Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:07:49pm |
It's the Tax Code Stupid.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:07:50pm |
re: #52 Ojoe
We have descended to absurdity here
yes but it has not passed yet...there is a way to go and will have to be pared down...for what it's worth
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:07:52pm |
re: #43 DEZes
Please don't say that out load, Piglosi heard that a billion Iranians lose their jobs every week.
Load = loud/ pimf
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:07:58pm |
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:08:17pm |
re: #53 jwb7605
So far, that is the most pleasantly useless piece of information on this thread.
I am also much dumber for having read and understood it! (upding)
Does it work?
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:08:35pm |
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HelloDare Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:08:37pm |
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godfrey Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:08:46pm |
"See, I think it's better if you spread the wealth around."
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:08:52pm |
CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
President Obama's economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.
CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing.
CBO estimates that by 2019 the Senate legislation would reduce GDP by 0.1 percent to 0.3 percent on net. [The House bill] would have similar long-run effects, CBO said in a letter to Sen. Judd Gregg, New Hampshire Republican, who was tapped by Mr. Obama on Tuesday to be Commerce Secretary.
So, who are we supposed to believe, Obama or the Congressional Budget Office?
/because someone's lying their ass of
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wrenchwench Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:09:18pm |
re: #15 Charles
Israpundit comes out strongly in favor of the neo-Nazi British National Party:
[Link: www.israpundit.com...]
From that link:
We do not agree with the BNP’s opposition to interracial marriage, but it is hard to condemn the BNP while many Jews oppose intermarriage with Gentiles
And:
Note that this piece does not even attempt to morally equate Israel and Palestinians; instead, it denounces non-assimilable Third World immigrants as the human refuse they are.
And:
We therefore contend that it is worthwhile to at least approach the British National Party with an alliance that would include the deployment of military-grade propaganda to expose the menace of militant “Islam.” We would also propose to the BNP an idea that would move it into the political mainstream while eliminating all vestiges of racial politics. The basic idea is that a person’s merit is defined by his or her culture as opposed to race or ethnicity. A person of Euro-American culture, such as a Hindu, Sikh, African-American, or Japanese, is “one of us” while a person of Islamic supremacist culture is “one of them.” This was clearly recognized by Rudyard Kipling, in an era when it was socially acceptable to be racist:....
Disgusting.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:09:41pm |
re: #55 LGoPs
Yes my friend. The drumbeat works. Just watch the left. We need to adapt their tactics.
Repetition is essential.....
AMEN
And we all should be hounding our local media outlets about this. We need to pressure the media as much as we do Congress.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:09:44pm |
re: #64 jcw46
I ran out of flaming cheetos and hit the door and cursed.
BBL I had better do some work.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:10:27pm |
re: #67 Killian Bundy
CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
So, who are we supposed to believe, Obama or the Congressional Budget Office?
/because someone's lying their ass of
he's figuring a way to shut them off I'll bet...cant have any CBO propaganda out there tainting the truth
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:10:42pm |
When the O starts talking about "land reform" and "collectives" I recommend a quick trip to the hills.
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Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:10:50pm |
Something to listen to
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:10:51pm |
re: #49 Keyboard
P.S. The article says, "...the bill grants NASA $450 million, but it states that the agency must spend at least $200 million on 'climate-research missions,' which raises the question: Is there global warming in space?"
As a former NASA intern, I would like to point out that NASA does do climate research. I worked in the atmospheric chemistry department there, where they do measurements on stuff like hydroxyl radical in the atmosphere. I don't think there are many other places that do the kind of research that they can do (I think there's one in Japan and another in Colorado). I'd probably guess because the measuring equipment is expensive.
No, but there may be global warming in that space we use to get to the other space. And if that space has too warm space in it, in the space of only a few minutes, a spacecraft could burn up in space, meaning the space that is between the outer space and the space down here.
(This was an abstract of a paper available from the White House Web Site written by Mr. Ben Spacely, space advisor to the Obama administration)
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RaiderDan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:11:03pm |
What is just amazing is how quickly Obama's presidency is becoming Carteresque. If the arc of the Iraq war mimicked that of Vietnam but at hyperspeed thanks to the 24-7 news cycle and the blogosphere, then Obama becoming Carter has happened in the mainstream media bubble even faster.
The moment Burris was seated over Obama's objections, Congress knew how quickly it could roll Obama. If Obama hadn't caved to Burris and the race card, Obama might have a clean stimulus bill that Republicans would have no choice but to support The fact that all 184 Republicans in the House and 11 Democrats decided that not voting for this turkey of a bill in the middle of the most serious recession since 1982, should have told Obama something. Obama needs to go back to the House and tell them. "Give me a clean bill, no pork, that Republicans and Democrats will support." Otherwise, he's pretty much finished.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:11:05pm |
re: #71 Ojoe
I ran out of flaming cheetos and hit the door and cursed.
BBL I had better do some work.
Al Gore lied and a Cheeto fried.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:11:25pm |
re: #67 Killian Bundy
If your stimulus lasts longer than 4 years call a doctor.
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tommygum Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:11:26pm |
Steele should "lean on" those skittish Rinos who might by sweet-talked by Barry. The GOP has to show a united face on the crap sandwich, not nibble at the edges in a transparent attempt at being at being the loyal opposition.
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vxbush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:11:41pm |
re: #47 Ojoe
If you light a cheeto on fire it will burn for a few minutes.
Do not waste the cheese in such an unworthy manner.
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:12:20pm |
re: #80 vxbush
Do not waste the cheese in such an unworthy manner.
Hey, Ojoe can cut the cheese anyway they want to.
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HelloDare Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:12:37pm |
Mr. (Barney) Frank said the compensation restrictions would apply to all financial institutions and might be extended to include all U.S. companies.
“There’s deeply rooted anger on the part of the average American,” the Massachusetts Democrat said at a Washington news conference today.
The provision will be part of a broader package that would likely give the Federal Reserve Board the authority to monitor systemic risk in the economy and to shut down financial institutions that face too much exposure, he said.
| 83 |
Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:12:41pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:12:45pm |
re: #56 jcw46
Oh I wish you hadn't said that. I've been thinking we're looking at a repeat of Germany in the 30's since last summer. :(
You better be happy SOME PEOPLE are saying it.
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opnion Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:12:57pm |
This is the lootiing of the treasury. Our kids will be swimming in red ink & the only solution will appear to be Socialism.
IMO the first bail out should not have taken place & this one is worse.
Capitalism did not fail but a lot of capitalists did along with corrupt politicians.
If there is any way to hold this bailout disaster off until the 2010 elections that would be great, but probably not realistic.
| 86 |
screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:13:03pm |
Money to help people quit smoking.
Even though we need more smokers after the One increased SCHIPs.
Well for the children, I'll light one up, but I'm not gonna do this by myself.
Need to spread the cigarettes around.
| 88 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:13:09pm |
re: #76 RaiderDan
What is just amazing is how quickly Obama's presidency is becoming Carteresque. If the arc of the Iraq war mimicked that of Vietnam but at hyperspeed thanks to the 24-7 news cycle and the blogosphere, then Obama becoming Carter has happened in the mainstream media bubble even faster.
The moment Burris was seated over Obama's objections, Congress knew how quickly it could roll Obama. If Obama hadn't caved to Burris and the race card, Obama might have a clean stimulus bill that Republicans would have no choice but to support The fact that all 184 Republicans in the House and 11 Democrats decided that not voting for this turkey of a bill in the middle of the most serious recession since 1982, should have told Obama something. Obama needs to go back to the House and tell them. "Give me a clean bill, no pork, that Republicans and Democrats will support." Otherwise, he's pretty much finished.
Obama's been Caurter-ized.
| 89 |
pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:13:45pm |
re: #54 DistantThunder
"Whitehouse says Obama likely to drop charges against Cole bomber, but will wait until he speaks with the families. The charges "may" be reinstated at a later date."
Maybe 0bama should go ahead and just issue an executive order right now granting blanket amnesty now for any Muslim who commits any act of terror against the United States or its interests. Save a lot of trouble and expense down the road for this administration.
/
| 90 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:14:13pm |
Well, I've got to go cook some rice. The frugality enforced upon me the last 1.5yrs has made me learn new skills and sample new taste sensations in the kitchen. bbiab.
| 91 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:14:14pm |
re: #80 vxbush
Do not waste the cheese in such an unworthy manner.
We are talking about Cheetos right? At most they got a sniff of cheese in a nearby box before being shipped out of the factory.
| 92 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:14:27pm |
re: #85 opnion
This is the lootiing of the treasury. Our kids will be swimming in red ink & the only solution will appear to be Socialism.
IMO the first bail out should not have taken place & this one is worse.
Capitalism did not fail but a lot of capitalists did along with corrupt politicians.
If there is any way to hold this bailout disaster off until the 2010 elections that would be great, but probably not realistic.
We haven't even spent the second 1/2 of the first bailout.
| 93 |
Soona' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:14:52pm |
re: #73 jcw46
When the O starts talking about "land reform" and "collectives" I recommend a quick trip to the hills.
We all know it's coming eventually. It'll be interesting to see just how it will be received by the American people. I still have faith that most Americans will start seeing this as it really is, but, if not, head for the hills.
| 94 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:15:04pm |
re: #85 opnion
This is the lootiing of the treasury. Our kids will be swimming in red ink & the only solution will appear to be Socialism.
IMO the first bail out should not have taken place & this one is worse.
Capitalism did not fail but a lot of capitalists did along with corrupt politicians.
If there is any way to hold this bailout disaster off until the 2010 elections that would be great, but probably not realistic.
We don't have to hold it off. In 2010, there will be a new group ready and willing the rob it again.
| 95 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:15:27pm |
re: #84 Walter L. Newton
You better be happy SOME PEOPLE are saying it.
Oh I'm happy someone else is saying it. I WAS hoping I was being a little paranoid.
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Keyboard Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:15:27pm |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
Hey Walter L. Newton. I was pointing out that the article makes it sound like as if the money is going to non-existent programs. At least for the NASA part, those programs do exist and serve a valid purpose.
| 97 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:15:41pm |
re: #89 pink freud
"Whitehouse says Obama likely to drop charges against Cole bomber, but will wait until he speaks with the families. The charges "may" be reinstated at a later date."
Maybe 0bama should go ahead and just issue an executive order right now granting blanket amnesty now for any Muslim who commits any act of terror against the United States or its interests. Save a lot of trouble and expense down the road for this administration.
/
The announcement will not be made until after President Obama meets with the families of victims of terrorist attacks on 9/11 and on the U.S.S. Cole, where he will assure them that this step is not being done to be lenient towards al-Nashiri. The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, sources told ABC News.
| 98 |
Salem Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:15:42pm |
The Democrats and media just about have the population conditioned to shrug even a betrayal of this magnitude off. We'll see...
| 99 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:15:53pm |
re: #92 DistantThunder
We haven't even spent the second 1/2 of the first bailout.
And we don't even know where the first 1/2 of the first bailout went.
| 100 |
opnion Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:16:22pm |
re: #92 DistantThunder
We haven't even spent the second 1/2 of the first bailout.
That's right , this is the second half that Obama wants released.
The Dems are saying that there will need to be more after this. At some point there is no more.
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vxbush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:16:29pm |
re: #81 jcw46
Hey, Ojoe can cut the cheese anyway they want to.
Fine, but make your own! Don't take away from my Cheeto suppliers!
/zero-sum game
| 102 |
phoenixgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:16:39pm |
re: #99 Walter L. Newton
And we don't even know where the first 1/2 of the first bailout went.
they know, they just aren't saying
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Dar ul Harbarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:17:17pm |
re: #89 pink freud
"Whitehouse says Obama likely to drop charges against Cole bomber, but will wait until he speaks with the families. The charges "may" be reinstated at a later date."
Maybe 0bama should go ahead and just issue an executive order right now granting blanket amnesty now for any Muslim who commits any act of terror against the United States or its interests. Save a lot of trouble and expense down the road for this administration.
/
He has to wait until he disarms our nuclear forces first.
Then they will know for sure he means business.
| 105 |
Russkilitlover Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:17:37pm |
re: #99 Walter L. Newton
And we don't even know where the first 1/2 of the first bailout went.
Well, we do know that Bank of America used 7.5B to invest in a Chinese construction firm.
| 106 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:17:39pm |
re: #102 phoenixgirl
they know, they just aren't saying
gave it to some guy named Eddie.
-Steven Wright
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Tamron Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:17:51pm |
OT, kinda sorta, but maybe not. Is this what we want more cops for?
Video: Cop Punches Woman In Face Four Times During Arrest, Just For Riding Bike on Sidewalk
The brainless bozo first sprays himself in the face with his own pepper spray, and then he and two other thugs in uniform take it out on the woman like it's her fault. Gee, I wonder why she filed suit? Wonder if she's a Dem?
Yup, she was a real lawbreaker, not wanting to ride her bike on a 2-lane highway after dark.
Maybe the Spending Spree can install more street lights..
.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:18:01pm |
re: #44 jcw46
It could be worse, you could always do a SpaceJesus; they've got 7 in the bottom comments.
I never stoop being a complete jerk, I know that in life, you have to know which fights to fight.
;)
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Ringo the Gringo Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:18:08pm |
Democrats control both Houses of Congress and now The Presidency, did we expect anything less than total destruction?
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:18:10pm |
re: #99 Walter L. Newton
And we don't even know where the first 1/2 of the first bailout went.
Don't forget
The 700B TARP bill was actually-853B. It had it's own 153B of pork attached to it.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:18:38pm |
re: #103 Dar ul Harbarian
He has to wait until he disarms our nuclear forces first.
Then they will know for sure he means business.
Obama: The gift that keeps on giving.
/wish I had my own tropic island so I could just watch this train wreck from afar.
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opnion Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:18:43pm |
re: #94 Walter L. Newton
We don't have to hold it off. In 2010, there will be a new group ready and willing the rob it again.
I was kinda hoping that a group of honest people would get elected.
Not likely & we are in some serious trouble here. This likes like the war on the Middle Class that started under LBJ is really ramped up now.
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RaiderDan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:18:51pm |
Maybe 0bama should go ahead and just issue an executive order right now granting blanket amnesty now for any Muslim who commits any act of terror against the United States or its interests. Save a lot of trouble and expense down the road for this administration.
#89 Pink Freud.
Shhhhhh, that's next week's announcement from the White House. Don't steal their thunder.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:18:53pm |
re: #96 Keyboard
Hey Walter L. Newton. I was pointing out that the article makes it sound like as if the money is going to non-existent programs. At least for the NASA part, those programs do exist and serve a valid purpose.
And you need to get use to the fact that we Lizards like a little comedy and that at times, we will play with a post and put a humorous spin on our replies.
I wasn't "trashing" your comment, I was extending your comment on "no global warming in space."
Geeeessshhhhh.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:19:32pm |
re: #109 Ringo the Gringo
Democrats control both Houses of Congress and now The Presidency, did we expect anything less than total destruction?
We didn't expect it to happen in 2 weeks. Figured 2 years.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:19:34pm |
The Stimulus: 300,000 Jobs for Illegals
If enacted, the Senate stimulus bill would fund over $100 billion in new government construction projects with the goal of providing additional jobs to unemployed Americans. The House-passed stimulus bill contains explicit language to bar employment of illegal immigrants in these construction projects. However, the Senate bill deliberately omits this language.
/this travesty just keeps getting better and better
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opnion Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:19:52pm |
re: #99 Walter L. Newton
And we don't even know where the first 1/2 of the first bailout went.
Water board Barney Frank & Dodd & we'll find out.
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pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:19:52pm |
re: #97 DistantThunder
Despite your quoted paragraph, I remain unconvinced that 0 will take a hard line approach toward those who wish and do us harm.
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phoenixgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:20:02pm |
re: #106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
gave it to some guy named Eddie.
-Steven Wright
yeah, in their "rush" to "do something" they just didn't get a receipt.
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Soona' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:20:11pm |
re: #96 Keyboard
Hey Walter L. Newton. I was pointing out that the article makes it sound like as if the money is going to non-existent programs. At least for the NASA part, those programs do exist and serve a valid purpose.
Which is.....?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:20:15pm |
re: #112 opnion
I was kinda hoping that a group of honest people would get elected.
Not likely & we are in some serious trouble here. This likes like the war on the Middle Class that started under LBJ is really ramped up now.
My motto "Wgar? Your tea is in the harbor."
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:20:18pm |
Good evening! I have a leadership suggestion for The One. Let's get this stuff in a spreadsheet and go line by line showing 1. the item itself 2. the cost 3. the number of jobs created as a direct result, for this we want immediate impact and not any multipliers and 4. the ROI in 12 months time, and 18 months time. This spreadsheet can be posted on the internet, and included in the tool kit for the "house meetings".
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:20:40pm |
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Truck Monkey Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:21:11pm |
I truly fear for my Country. This is a sh*t sandwich we are all going to eat whether we want to or not.
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opnion Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:21:15pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:21:18pm |
re: #121 Walter L. Newton
My motto "Wgar? Your tea is in the harbor."
Try again...
My motto "What? Your tea is in the harbor."
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DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:21:31pm |
re: #100 opnion
That's right , this is the second half that Obama wants released.
The Dems are saying that there will need to be more after this. At some point there is no more.
This isn't the second half. The STIMULUS being debated now is a brand new bail out topping 900 Billion which is in addition to PART A of $350 Billion (Total $700B) which is somehow in the banking system AND in addition to the the unspent Part B, of the $700 Billion which is another $350 Billion.
First Bailout: $700B
Part A - $350 spent
Part B - $350 unspent
Second Bailout - $900B being debated
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BakaRanger Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:21:51pm |
I know it's hard to believe now, but people in the future will remember these times as "the good old days".
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phoenixgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:22:27pm |
re: #128 BakaRanger
I know it's hard to believe now, but people in the future will remember these times as "the good old days".
then they are really fucked!/
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:22:41pm |
re: #122 ArmyWife
Good evening! I have a leadership suggestion for The One. Let's get this stuff in a spreadsheet and go line by line showing 1. the item itself 2. the cost 3. the number of jobs created as a direct result, for this we want immediate impact and not any multipliers and 4. the ROI in 12 months time, and 18 months time. This spreadsheet can be posted on the internet, and included in the tool kit for the "house meetings".
Shit! If you expand on that idea..i think you have a great idea..
/ the best one I've heard of yet...I like where you are going with this.
Kudo's!
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opnion Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:22:44pm |
Good night Lizards. Let's take heart, Obama has already dropped over 20 points in appoval ratings.
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USBeast Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:22:59pm |
To the tune of "Turkey In The Straw":
Oh the hallowed halls of Washington are filled with lobbyists
Making sure that all the proper derrieres are kissed.
And the derrieres they work for sit in chushy leather chairs.
They pay the lobbyists to make sure they get theirs.
You'll hear them say as they gobble the pork
(With always an eye out for a bigger fork)
"The rich get richer, you should get rich too.
You can talk to us then, but 'til then f**k you."
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BakaRanger Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:23:26pm |
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pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:23:48pm |
re: #122 ArmyWife
Good evening! I have a leadership suggestion for The One. Let's get this stuff in a spreadsheet and go line by line showing 1. the item itself 2. the cost 3. the number of jobs created as a direct result, for this we want immediate impact and not any multipliers and 4. the ROI in 12 months time, and 18 months time. This spreadsheet can be posted on the internet, and included in the tool kit for the "house meetings".
When pigs fly. Hell freezes. Snowball's chance. etc etc
Hello ArmyWife :-)
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:24:01pm |
re: #124 Truck Monkey
I truly fear for my Country. This is a sh*t sandwich we are all going to eat whether we want to or not.
Reminds me of the old joke, I have some good news and some bad news.
All we have to eat is horse shit, the good news is there is plenty of it.
Sadly Marxism isn't funny. :(
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:24:02pm |
re: #99 Walter L. Newton
Yes we do. Over paid stocks and assets.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
I have an idea! Let's give them MORE money to make such wise decisions with!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:25:26pm |
re: #127 DistantThunder
No, but there may be bailout money that we can't account for, but it is the first bailout package, which we didn't know anything about, but since we are now in office, we are going to try to find out where 1/2 of the first bailout package went to while we diligently try to give away some more money, which hopefully we will be able to account for, or at least have a vague idea that the money may still be in the country
(This was an abstract of a paper available from the White House Web Site written by Mr. Lesko, financial advisor to the Obama administration)
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Cathypop Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:25:38pm |
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DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:25:49pm |
I think we should just refer to the Democrats as "The Party"
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HelloDare Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:25:52pm |
re: #123 albusteve
I really dig Newt....thanks
In the video, Newt looks like a pregnant Proto-Whale.
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UFO TOFU Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:25:55pm |
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:25:57pm |
A trillion dollars in unprecedented handouts, giveaways, leftist causes, and pure pork.
sing it.
and big $$$$ rewards for democrat donors.
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phoenixgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:26:01pm |
quit jammin' me!
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:26:21pm |
re: #130 HoosierHoops
Thank you. It falls right in line with the "transparency" of this administration, and let's the world know just how silly this stuff is in black and white - no partisan attacks. Think about it - if you are suggesting a project at work, would you get approval without any of the above metrics?
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:26:25pm |
re: #139 Walter L. Newton
No, but there may be bailout money that we can't account for, but it is the first bailout package, which we didn't know anything about, but since we are now in office, we are going to try to find out where 1/2 of the first bailout package went to while we diligently try to give away some more money, which hopefully we will be able to account for, or at least have a vague idea that the money may still be in the country
(This was an abstract of a paper available from the White House Web Site written by Mr. Lesko, financial advisor to the Obama administration)
seriously?
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pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:26:26pm |
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Cathypop Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:26:31pm |
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:26:41pm |
Hey y'all - can someone please tell me what "Pell Grants" are?! I did try to Wiki this and got this at the top of the Wiki Page:
This article has multiple issues. Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page.
It does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve it by citing reliable sources. Tagged since July 2007.Its factual accuracy is disputed. Tagged since May 2008.
It may be confusing or unclear for some readers. Tagged since July 2008.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:27:42pm |
re: #154 realwest
Grants for secondary education - college tuition, etc.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:28:00pm |
re: #137 ArmyWife
Yes we do. Over paid stocks and assets.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
I have an idea! Let's give them MORE money to make such wise decisions with!
Good news finally. So that means that people's 401k's and other investment products like that will have gone up.
Happy days!
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:28:02pm |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:28:11pm |
re: #154 realwest
Hey y'all - can someone please tell me what "Pell Grants" are?! I did try to Wiki this and got this at the top of the Wiki Page:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
federal grants to college students
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:28:17pm |
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pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:28:20pm |
re: #154 realwest
In a nutshell, government grant money to pay for college tuition for qualified applicants who meet financial (under a certain income level) requirements.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:28:22pm |
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Lively Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:28:28pm |
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Cathypop Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:28:34pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:29:20pm |
re: #154 realwest
Hey y'all - can someone please tell me what "Pell Grants" are?! I did try to Wiki this and got this at the top of the Wiki Page:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Handouts to the education establishment.
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DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:29:38pm |
re: #118 pink freud
Despite your quoted paragraph, I remain unconvinced that 0 will take a hard line approach toward those who wish and do us harm.
He'll meet with the families, - and I wish I could hear the comments.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:30:22pm |
re: #165 DistantThunder
He'll meet with the families, - and I wish I could hear the comments.
Does he really think they'll stop hating us?
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:30:48pm |
re: #155 ArmyWife
Well thanks, I guess I should have been more explicit: I knew they were grants to "financially needy" students who but for the money would qualify for a Pell Grant.
But a $15 BILLON INCREASE in Pell Grants? What, did everyone suddenly become eligible for a Pell Grant or is that the Dem estimate of how many "needy" college age students there will be under Obama's administration?
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:30:49pm |
Call your senators. Please. Regardless of party affiliation. It is easy. Google their name if in doubt of how to reach them. This is powerful.
Call, don't fax. Make a simple statement of your position, I did - "This bill is a knife to heart of the liberty of me, my kids, and my grandkids. Take the lead and oppose this bill please."
That is it. You are on record. They do keep score.
This is a a lot bigger than you may think now. Line in the sand.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:31:02pm |
re: #150 bellamags
seriously?
Were you asking me if that was a serious quote from a white house article or something? No, it was me, humor, crazy 56 year old white guy, sitting in his basement apartment in Golden, Colorado, keeping off the streets and out of the dating pool in an effort to keep his sanity.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:31:15pm |
I think we can CALL your representatives & tell them what you think! The tide of public opinion is not for this "stimulus".
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UFO TOFU Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:31:30pm |
re: #159 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Think the bailout could arrrange for me to get the $75mil needed to buy it and maybe $5mil for building a house?
A worthier cause the a good deal of the crap in the current plan. You have my vote.
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twincitiesgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:31:38pm |
I have already written to both of my senators about this "stimulus" package in it's present form. My main points were that voters are angry and tired of business as usual during this economic crisis. We need leadership, not the usual Democratic pork and spend programs.
I have written more letters to my elected leaders in the last few weeks than I did during the entire 8 years of the Bush presidency. At this rate I may need to hire a secretary, the volume will surely increase as the months and years drag on.
/I am so seriously p*ssed off I could scream. Even my kids have noticed, saying hey mom, do you know you were talking to the tv again?
*sigh*
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:31:48pm |
re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Does he really think they'll stop hating us?
that's neither here nor there...but they will simply adore BO...wouldnt you like to be privy to that conversation?
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pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:31:55pm |
re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Does he really think they'll stop hating us?
From all appearances thus far, it appears so.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:31:56pm |
re: #154 realwest
Hey y'all - can someone please tell me what "Pell Grants" are?! .]
Program Description
The Federal Pell Grant Program provides need-based grants to low-income undergraduate and certain postbaccalaureate students to promote access to postsecondary education. Students may use their grants at any one of approximately 5,400 participating postsecondary institutions.
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Soona' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:32:11pm |
re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Does he really think they'll stop hating us?
So, in other words, they're still hating us? How can that be?
//
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:32:19pm |
re: #167 realwest
More people will get them, I doubt they will expand the definition of "needy" as I keep getting told how incredibly rich I am from this administration!
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:32:22pm |
re: #170 Walter L. Newton
yeah. i just realized that. i am brain dead right now. this bail-out stuff is unreal. probably should just lurk for a while. LOL. ; )
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:32:40pm |
re: #167 realwest
Well thanks, I guess I should have been more explicit: I knew they were grants to "financially needy" students who but for the money would qualify for a Pell Grant.
But a $15 BILLON INCREASE in Pell Grants? What, did everyone suddenly become eligible for a Pell Grant or is that the Dem estimate of how many "needy" college age students there will be under Obama's administration?
that's spread over 300 years I believe...
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abaleh Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:33:02pm |
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Truck Monkey Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:33:08pm |
re: #169 gmsc
Siefried's partner.
;)
Isn't that the guy that was mauled by this tiger?
[Link: entertainment.webshots.com...]
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tommygum Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:33:20pm |
re: #107 Tamron
OT, kinda sorta, but maybe not. Is this what we want more cops for?
Video: Cop Punches Woman In Face Four Times During Arrest, Just For Riding Bike on Sidewalk
The brainless bozo first sprays himself in the face with his own pepper spray, and then he and two other thugs in uniform take it out on the woman like it's her fault. Gee, I wonder why she filed suit? Wonder if she's a Dem?
Yup, she was a real lawbreaker, not wanting to ride her bike on a 2-lane highway after dark.
Maybe the Spending Spree can install more street lights..
.
These "cops" should end up in population with "cop" trampstamps.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:33:21pm |
re: #172 UFO TOFU
A worthier cause the a good deal of the crap in the current plan. You have my vote.
Yeah buddy... only 66 million to go and I can do any stupid thing that enters my brain with other people's money!
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debutaunt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:33:33pm |
re: #30 DEZes
How the hell did our country come to this, and how the hell did I make the top 10 comments, this is some scary shit.
It has been a long term process of destroying the US by destroying Capitalism and installing socialism.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:33:43pm |
re: #181 albusteve
Or, those institutions will raise their tuition which means it won't expand jack.
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:33:46pm |
re: #164 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! Well that partly explains my #167!
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brookly red Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:34:03pm |
re: #171 Floral Giraffe
I think we can CALL your representatives & tell them what you think! The tide of public opinion is not for this "stimulus".
Mine is Chuck Schumer... what is plan B.?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:34:06pm |
re: #180 bellamags
yeah. i just realized that. i am brain dead right now. this bail-out stuff is unreal. probably should just lurk for a while. LOL. ; )
Need a date?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:34:13pm |
Supernatural graffiti....
Virgin Mary seen in Plymouth ice formation
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itellu3times Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:34:14pm |
There must be 50 ways to leave your wallet.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:34:19pm |
re: #182 abaleh
Only problem is Mel Gibson is the neighbour.
So, you don't have to let him borrow flour when he shows up with his measuring cup...
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rumcrook Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:34:20pm |
man, this is gonna add up to real money soon.....
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:34:36pm |
re: #184 Truck Monkey
Isn't that the guy that was mauled by this tiger?
[Link: entertainment.webshots.com...]
Er, his name was Roy!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:34:51pm |
83 billion for the earned income credit
Isn't this the program that gives people a check from the IRS if they don't make enough money to pay taxes?
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Lively Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:34:55pm |
re: #189 ArmyWife
Or, those institutions will raise their tuition which means it won't expand jack.
Universities are probably already chuckling to themselves about this.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:35:12pm |
re: #199 reine.de.tout
That would be it! You didn't earn the income, so let's just PRETEND that you did!
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:35:21pm |
re: #188 debutaunt
It has been a long term process of destroying the US by destroying Capitalism and installing socialism.
It was kind of a rhetorical question, but I agree with your assessment.
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:35:37pm |
And since I'm GAGGING on these Pell Grants - a 15 BILLION DOLLAR BOONDAGLE to Universities, does anyone out here know how much money a student actually get - or gets credited for - with a Pell Grant?
Ever know anyone who received a Pell Grant?!?
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:35:53pm |
re: #192 Walter L. Newton
LOL. are you asking for yourself or are you being funny again? : )
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mean Gene Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:36:04pm |
Ah!
Our drizzle finally turned to a few moments of rain.
The plants really need it.
re: #122 ArmyWife
Good evening! I have a leadership suggestion for The One. Let's get this stuff in a spreadsheet and go line by line showing 1. the item itself 2. the cost 3. the number of jobs created as a direct result, for this we want immediate impact and not any multipliers and 4. the ROI in 12 months time, and 18 months time. This spreadsheet can be posted on the internet, and included in the tool kit for the "house meetings".
How can we expect this when 0bama's promise of a ''5 day Sunlight before signing any bill'' was broken today?
I don't think he even waited 5 HOURS!
Spreadsheet?
He's consider it a gross waste of time!
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Lincolntf Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:36:17pm |
re: #181 albusteve
If I remeber correctly, EVERYONE got a Pell grant figured into their financial aid package when I was entering college. I literally filled out a postcard sized "application" and that triggered access to all of the other F.A. programs. It might have been just my school, but even kids whose parents were millionaires got Pell Grants.
| 207 |
Pianobuff Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:36:18pm |
OT: Lovely, just lovely.....President Obama Likely to Order Military Commission Charges Dropped Against Terrorist Suspect Al-Nashiri Friday
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:36:24pm |
re: #144 UFO TOFU
IIRC there is no fresh water on the island. You have to catch rain....
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Lively Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:36:27pm |
re: #203 realwest
And since I'm GAGGING on these Pell Grants - a 15 BILLION DOLLAR BOONDAGLE to Universities, does anyone out here know how much money a student actually get - or gets credited for - with a Pell Grant?
Ever know anyone who received a Pell Grant?!?
I received a Pell Grant, lol.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:36:37pm |
re: #148 ArmyWife
Thank you. It falls right in line with the "transparency" of this administration, and let's the world know just how silly this stuff is in black and white - no partisan attacks. Think about it - if you are suggesting a project at work, would you get approval without any of the above metrics?
great idea..But you know..You'd think the CEO of the United States and a Harvard grad would know this and practice due diligence in common executive procedures in guiding the world's remaining Superpower.
It's not just transperancy..It's smart business practices running the Government...WAICAMB.not Chicago politics on a global level..
Well great CEO's are known for their Staff..The Talent and power...movers and shakers...The Jury is out so far on this clown...
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pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:36:44pm |
re: #203 realwest
And since I'm GAGGING on these Pell Grants - a 15 BILLION DOLLAR BOONDAGLE to Universities, does anyone out here know how much money a student actually get - or gets credited for - with a Pell Grant?
Ever know anyone who received a Pell Grant?!?
About 5K a year/ two semesters.
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rumcrook Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:36:55pm |
re: #203 realwest
um I did... when I went to buffalo state in new york back in the day...
just sayin...
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debutaunt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:37:18pm |
re: #202 DEZes
It was kind of a rhetorical question, but I agree with your assessment.
We sure could use someone like RR who knew what Capitalism is and could clearly state the value it represents.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:37:25pm |
re: #203 realwest
And since I'm GAGGING on these Pell Grants - a 15 BILLION DOLLAR BOONDAGLE to Universities, does anyone out here know how much money a student actually get - or gets credited for - with a Pell Grant?
Ever know anyone who received a Pell Grant?!?
How much is awarded in the Federal Pell Grant?
The amount of the Pell Grant varies from $400 to $4,050 (annual figure) depending on the student’s eligibility. The Pell payment schedule issued by the U.S. Department of Education will determine the official Pell Grant amount. The awarded amount per term is contingent upon the credit hours in which the student is enrolled.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:37:31pm |
re: #176 avanti
So, you just jump over here and never address my statement on the last thread. You're a work of art Avanti.
I wrote all those wonderful words for your sake, hoping that they would stir a little something in your heart, something that would shake you out of your collective fog, but no, you can't just answer a question straight and honestly.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:37:42pm |
re: #205 mean Gene
What you really mean is he doesn't know how to set this up, nor does he understand how to calculate what I've proposed because he's never been in an executive position before!
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ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:37:51pm |
re: #199 reine.de.tout
Isn't this the program that gives people a check from the IRS if they don't make enough money to pay taxes?
And have 14 kids.
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Soona' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:38:05pm |
re: #181 albusteve
that's spread over 300 years I believe...
The Office of the Speaker of the House has revised that number to 300 billion students each month.
//
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brookly red Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:38:07pm |
re: #203 realwest
And since I'm GAGGING on these Pell Grants - a 15 BILLION DOLLAR BOONDAGLE to Universities, does anyone out here know how much money a student actually get - or gets credited for - with a Pell Grant?
Ever know anyone who received a Pell Grant?!?
I know lots of em!... the Che tee is a dead giveaway.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:38:30pm |
re: #206 Lincolntf
Wow - well, I just filled out a bunch of stuff for my daughter. Something tells me I'm not getting much in the way of financial aid. I'll keep you guys informed.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:38:34pm |
re: #201 ArmyWife
That would be it! You didn't earn the income, so let's just PRETEND that you did!
I read through that article.
Those numbers are staggering.
Where the hell is the money supposed to come from? (don't answer that, I know where).
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:38:35pm |
funny that BO wont explain his tax cuts/credits...or why an instant payroll tax cut is not good....or lowering corporate taxes 10% or so....or ridding the brokers of mark-to-market costs...he doesn't feel the need to explain exactly why none of these measures would NOT stimulate our economy almost tomarrow
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:38:48pm |
re: #176 avanti
Hey avanti - I KNEW you'd come to my rescue, thanks!
But, uh, a $15 BILLON INCREASE in Pell Grants would go to..........who (whom?!)? Please see my #203.
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Bogart Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:38:49pm |
This is very confusing; one month there are trying to sell the U.S. to China and the next month their trying to give it away to anyone who asks for it. I thought WE owned it! Am I too late to stand in line?
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Tamron Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:39:07pm |
re: #148 ArmyWife
Thank you. It falls right in line with the "transparency" of this administration, and let's the world know just how silly this stuff is in black and white - no partisan attacks. Think about it - if you are suggesting a project at work, would you get approval without any of the above metrics?
SANITY ALERT! SANITY ALERT! GET THAT WOMAN OUT OF HERE! SHE MAKES ENTIRELY TOO MUCH SENSE!
ArmyWife, your posts are making someone's skin crawl...
.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:39:20pm |
re: #204 bellamags
LOL. are you asking for yourself or are you being funny again? : )
I'm filling in my social calendar for Aug. I think Florida is on my schedule, penciled in between the paragliding on Monte Blanc in France and the running of the bulls in Sept.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:39:32pm |
Bums rush is not an anachronism, not today, not in this context.
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Elcid Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:39:42pm |
$88 million to help move the Public Health Service into a new building
Who in the damn hell got this booty check?
Jesus X. Portillo!
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mean Gene Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:39:48pm |
re: #207 Pianobuff
Sure it wasn't done to be lienient to the guy!
Nope.
BUT that will be the result.
And 0bama knows it.
The criminal justice system is no place to deal with un-uniformed terrorists whose crimes include such invisible things as collusion and plotting.
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rumcrook Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:39:49pm |
re: #220 brookly red
I have never worn a che tee.....
although I have considered getting one of the parody ones where hes a skull and it says che's dead...
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abaleh Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:39:50pm |
re: #196 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
So, you don't have to let him borrow flour when he shows up with his measuring cup...
yeah, but the last thing I'd need is for him to crash his speedboat into my island at 3am, piss drunk, complaining about how I'm responsible for all the wars in the World.
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UFO TOFU Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:40:03pm |
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:40:19pm |
re: #227 Walter L. Newton
well, since you are going to be here........ : )
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:40:25pm |
re: #206 Lincolntf
If I remeber correctly, EVERYONE got a Pell grant figured into their financial aid package when I was entering college. I literally filled out a postcard sized "application" and that triggered access to all of the other F.A. programs. It might have been just my school, but even kids whose parents were millionaires got Pell Grants.
Where did you go to school? I never got one, and my parents had seven kids and a middle-class income. My husband got one only once we were married and he was no longer his parents' dependent.
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:40:36pm |
re: #209 Lively Oh, good! Not to get too personal, but did you get the money directly (the way I did under the GI Bill) or did it go to the school?) and how much -as a % if you'd rather not spell out the dollar amount - did the Pell Grant cover?
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:40:39pm |
re: #206 Lincolntf
If I remeber correctly, EVERYONE got a Pell grant figured into their financial aid package when I was entering college. I literally filled out a postcard sized "application" and that triggered access to all of the other F.A. programs. It might have been just my school, but even kids whose parents were millionaires got Pell Grants.
not so that I know of...I applied but was not qualified....it pays for tuition and books and some fees last I knew...there is nothing inherently wrong with these grants
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:40:43pm |
re: #210 HoosierHoops
But he's never held an executive position - and here is why we think it's important that leaders have such experience beyond managing a campaign that has a campaign manager.
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ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:40:44pm |
"Ever know anyone who received a Pell Grant?!?"
Yea..........He's in Leavenworth Prison doing 8-25 for armed robbery.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:41:05pm |
re: #68 wrenchwench
Disgusting.
They went from being pro-Israel to outright racist creeps. Sickening.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:41:09pm |
re: #215 Walter L. Newton
So, you just jump over here and never address my statement on the last thread. You're a work of art Avanti.
I wrote all those wonderful words for your sake, hoping that they would stir a little something in your heart, something that would shake you out of your collective fog, but no, you can't just answer a question straight and honestly.
I gave up on you not understanding that I did not see a problem with Obama's commencement speech calling for students to volunteer to help their community you did, end of discussion.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:41:36pm |
re: #223 albusteve
funny that BO wont explain his tax cuts/credits...or why an instant payroll tax cut is not good....or lowering corporate taxes 10% or so....or ridding the brokers of mark-to-market costs...he doesn't feel the need to explain exactly why none of these measures would NOT stimulate our economy almost tomarrow
I've asked liberals who voted for him, who know my life situation, how anything in the bill will help me.
I can't get an answer. I don't mean they tip toe around it, they just don't know.
I'll ask the same question here.
Hey Avanti, how is this stimulus going to PERSONALLY help me. Not the collective, ME.
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pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:42:06pm |
re: #224 realwest
Hey avanti - I KNEW you'd come to my rescue, thanks!
But, uh, a $15 BILLON INCREASE in Pell Grants would go to..........who (whom?!)? Please see my #203.
Just a thought, RW, but this may have something to do with reimplementation of affirmative action programs combined with lowered acceptance standards for federally funded universities in order to *equalize* the strata of the population.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:42:18pm |
re: #231 rumcrook
I have never worn a che tee.....
although I have considered getting one of the parody ones where hes a skull and it says che's dead...
OK, I live between 2 universities and might be a bit jaded...
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:42:49pm |
re: #173 twincitiesgirl
I am so seriously p*ssed off I could scream. Even my kids have noticed, saying hey mom, do you know you were talking to the tv again?
It's OK. I argue with the TV alot, too.
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Lynn B. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:42:59pm |
re: #15 Charles
Israpundit comes out strongly in favor of the neo-Nazi British National Party:
[Link: www.israpundit.com...]
Good grief!
The issue of BNP, as well as the Flemish and Swedish equivalents, has divided the anti-Jihadists. Neither LGF nor JihadWatch (Robert Spencer) will accept the BNP as partners in the struggle. In turn, LGF and Spencer are at war about the Flemish party. This is some way to wage a war against Jihad! When will we come to our senses?
Comment by Joseph Norland — February 5, 2009 @ 5:53 pm
Utterly clueless...
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tommygum Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:43:28pm |
re: #170 Walter L. Newton
Were you asking me if that was a serious quote from a white house article or something? No, it was me, humor, crazy 56 year old white guy, sitting in his basement apartment in Golden, Colorado, keeping off the streets and out of the dating pool in an effort to keep his sanity.
Hey, sounds like me.
Except for the Colorado part.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:43:38pm |
re: #241 avanti
I gave up on you not understanding that I did not see a problem with Obama's commencement speech calling for students to volunteer to help their community you did, end of discussion.
Mindless chicken shit you are.
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Lynn B. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:44:14pm |
re: #240 Charles
They went from being pro-Israel to outright racist creeps. Sickening.
It's actually been more than a little strange over there for quite a while now.
This takes it (down) to a whole new level.
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Elcid Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:44:24pm |
re: #229 Elcid
Who in the damn hell got this booty check?
Jesus X. Portillo!
Stunned, that I forgot to say...Gimme' half that and I'll move the bastards myself. Keeeyrist!
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Lively Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:44:33pm |
re: #236 realwest
Oh, good! Not to get too personal, but did you get the money directly (the way I did under the GI Bill) or did it go to the school?) and how much -as a % if you'd rather not spell out the dollar amount - did the Pell Grant cover?
No, I did not get the Pell Grant directly. It was subtracted from my tuition. I only got $500 Pell Grant each semester and I was greatful. My husband and I earned below the poverty level during college. But we both got out with Masters Degrees and we only borrowed $14K total.
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Karagush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:44:47pm |
re: #208 Floral Giraffe
IIRC there is no fresh water on the island. You have to catch rain....
two words for you: Reverse osmosis
works good. as much fresh water as you need. Made from the ocean.
Now lets talk about a generator. we need energy. that might be an interesting problem to solve...
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:44:49pm |
re: #206 Lincolntf
If I remeber correctly, EVERYONE got a Pell grant figured into their financial aid package when I was entering college. I literally filled out a postcard sized "application" and that triggered access to all of the other F.A. programs. It might have been just my school, but even kids whose parents were millionaires got Pell Grants.
That's right... both my kids have them, built in, all it did was change the price tag for the money we have to waste on their lib indoctrination.
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Bill K. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:44:57pm |
The Great Depression #2 coming up courtesy of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank and the rest of the rogues in the Democratic Party.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:45:05pm |
re: #167 realwest
Well thanks, I guess I should have been more explicit: I knew they were grants to "financially needy" students who but for the money would qualify for a Pell Grant.
But a $15 BILLON INCREASE in Pell Grants? What, did everyone suddenly become eligible for a Pell Grant or is that the Dem estimate of how many "needy" college age students there will be under Obama's administration?
Kind Regards Realwest..Hope you and mom are warm and well tonight..
In 20 minutes the Celtics and Lakers play and I am hopping on one foot to the other excited...Mama is out with the girls..
It is the end of football season and a great let down..many people get depressed after the Superbowl.. But not me..This is the greatest season for me. The very best part of the year. All Basketball all the time..The real greatest athletes in the world!
So I'm jacked for this game..Lakers won last time out..big rematch!
The Celtics are repeating this year and it's going to be Classic!
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:45:25pm |
re: #198 Walter L. Newton
Er, his name was Roy!
Is there a quote from Pocket 0bama that proves that?
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:45:56pm |
re: #237 albusteve
not so that I know of...I applied but was not qualified....it pays for tuition and books and some fees last I knew...there is nothing inherently wrong with these grants
The midshipman I sponsored applied and could have received a grant but ended up getting into the Naval Academy.
He's now a Ensign at flight school. That'll cost us a few million, but well worth it in the end if he stays in for a few years.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:45:56pm |
re: #245 screaming_eagle
I am so seriously p*ssed off I could scream. Even my kids have noticed, saying hey mom, do you know you were talking to the tv again?
It's OK. I argue with the TV alot, too.
We don't have a TV. I have to argue with the radio and the newspaper.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:46:03pm |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
I've asked liberals who voted for him, who know my life situation, how anything in the bill will help me.
I can't get an answer. I don't mean they tip toe around it, they just don't know.
I'll ask the same question here.
Hey Avanti, how is this stimulus going to PERSONALLY help me. Not the collective, ME.
re: #243 pink freud
Just a thought, RW, but this may have something to do with reimplementation of affirmative action programs combined with lowered acceptance standards for federally funded universities in order to *equalize* the strata of the population.
Pells have been around for decades...it has nothing to do with AA....they are simply available to students with no means to go to school otherwise....there is nothing nefarious about it
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:46:04pm |
re: #154 realwest
Hey y'all - can someone please tell me what "Pell Grants" are?! I did try to Wiki this and got this at the top of the Wiki Page:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Real try this link.
[Link: www.ed.gov...]
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Lincolntf Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:46:05pm |
re: #235 EmmmieG
Catholic school in MA. I distinctly remember the college-prep guys telling us that EVERYONE gets a Pell Grant, whether they need it or not. It may be incorrect info. now, but everyone I knew got one. $2,000 was the average.
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Tamron Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:46:36pm |
re: #249 ArmyWife
I have had that effect before, I'm afraid.
Yeah, I know. Good ideas from folks like you, get pigeonholed in the same box as the ideas from the 200 professional economists who think this program stinks to high heaven.
.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:46:44pm |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
I've asked liberals who voted for him, who know my life situation, how anything in the bill will help me.
I can't get an answer. I don't mean they tip toe around it, they just don't know.
I'll ask the same question here.
Hey Avanti, how is this stimulus going to PERSONALLY help me. Not the collective, ME.
should be interesting...I'll stay tuned
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:46:52pm |
re: #248 Walter L. Newton
Mindless chicken shit you are.
As opposed to other types of chicken-shit that are mindfull?
sorry couldn't resist
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Optimizer Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:46:53pm |
This has got to be the biggest fraud - by far - that has ever been perpetrated by anybody in the history of the Universe.
It is clearly NOT a "stimulus package", and the President is not only selling it as one, but he's also trying to rush it through by claiming that if it isn't done immediately, it could cause a "permanent recession". This guy is not only a socialist, he's a crook.
Does a $1T scam qualify as a "high crime or misdemeanor"?
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:47:08pm |
re: #261 Dustyvet
Real try this link.
[Link: www.ed.gov...]
The Federal Pell Grant Program provides need-based grants to low-income undergraduate and certain postbaccalaureate students to promote access to postsecondary education. Students may use their grants at any one of approximately 5,400 participating postsecondary institutions. Grant amounts are dependent on: the student's expected family contribution (EFC) (see below); the cost of attendance (as determined by the institution); the student's enrollment status (full-time or part-time); and whether the student attends for a full academic year or less.
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debutaunt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:47:08pm |
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rumcrook Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:47:15pm |
re: #240 Charles
its kind of disapointing that many people have started to think they have to tie themselves at the hip to nazis in order to fight radical islam.
they will end up goosestepped over by one side or the other....
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Tamron Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:47:49pm |
re: #253 Karagush
two words for you: Reverse osmosis
works good. as much fresh water as you need. Made from the ocean.
Now lets talk about a generator. we need energy. that might be an interesting problem to solve...
How much sun and wind are on the island? (hint, hint)
.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:47:54pm |
Strangest forum quote about the stimulus I've run across?
The worst part about the stimulus? Not one cent goes to help the bacon industry in any way!
I guess we all have our priorities . . .
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:47:57pm |
re: #246 Lynn B.
The comments over there are much like the comments we had here when the debate first started. Many people are eager to "take the gloves off" and embrace radical ideas.
I'm almost prepared to declare the counter-jihad movement an enemy. There are very few left who aren't as bad as the Islamists they oppose.
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pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:48:20pm |
re: #260 albusteve
Pells have been around for decades...it has nothing to do with AA....they are simply available to students with no means to go to school otherwise....there is nothing nefarious about it
So why all of a sudden the FIFTEEN BILLION DOLLAR increase? Where's all that money going to go?
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vxbush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:48:27pm |
re: #203 realwest
And since I'm GAGGING on these Pell Grants - a 15 BILLION DOLLAR BOONDAGLE to Universities, does anyone out here know how much money a student actually get - or gets credited for - with a Pell Grant?
Ever know anyone who received a Pell Grant?!?
Me. I got through my undergrad degree solely on Pell grants because I was beyond poor.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:48:29pm |
Did anyone see a Zionist Stimulus Package in there?
I must have missed it./
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:48:33pm |
re: #267 Dustyvet
The Federal Pell Grant Program provides need-based grants to low-income undergraduate and certain postbaccalaureate students to promote access to postsecondary education. Students may use their grants at any one of approximately 5,400 participating postsecondary institutions. Grant amounts are dependent on: the student's expected family contribution (EFC) (see below); the cost of attendance (as determined by the institution); the student's enrollment status (full-time or part-time); and whether the student attends for a full academic year or less.
[Link: www.collegeboard.com...]
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mean Gene Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:48:34pm |
Even Zawahiri (heard of al Qaeda worldwide) had the focus to remind Zarqawi (head of Iraq's al Qaeda ....now dead) to stop killing fellow Muslims (who might be of different sects) and get back to killing the Infidels and Jews (if possible).
After all, Zawahiri reasoned, we can always kill ''apostate Muslims" later!
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:48:41pm |
Spending money we don't have. /Brilliant.
Saying NO! to tax rate cuts (that would help the private sector get back on its feet) - standard democrat operating procedure.
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:48:44pm |
re: #237 albusteve
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the Pell Grants per se, I'm suggesting VERY STRONGLY, that a $15 Billion increase in Pell Grants must mean every student too poor to go to college can - if this pos bill is passed AND FUNDED - go to college on OUR DIME(S) -thereby providing ACORN with even more "assistants" in voting. I'm serious about this, FIFTEEN BILLION DOLLARS to keep kids off the street seems a bit much these days, no?!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:48:54pm |
re: #255 Bill K.
The Great Depression #2 coming up courtesy of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank and the rest of the rogues in the Democratic Party.
No, not a great depression. This time there will be enough social programs to keep most everyone fed and doing something, but we will be being fed by the collective, and supporting the collective.
In the depression, it happened and THEN they came up with the idea of the New Deal, based on the upcoming love affair that America was having over socialism.
So, it didn't really work, because it wasn't really in place. It was only the second world war that turned things around.
But this time, they are putting all the NEW DEAL sort of stuff in place ahead of time (as per what's happening right now) and then they will pull the plug.
And the collective will be in place to save us.
Dead sure bet.
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wrenchwench Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:48:55pm |
re: #241 avanti
I gave up on you not understanding that I did not see a problem with Obama's commencement speech calling for students to volunteer to help their community you did, end of discussion.
What about collectivism vs individualism? Don't you have any interest in that part?
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:48:58pm |
re: #271 gmsc
Where was that? I mean if they add some "pork" dollars toward bacon, I may just rethink my stance on this thing.
/
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:49:00pm |
re: #272 Killgore Trout
There are very few left who aren't as bad as the Islamists they oppose.
Worst sentence ever. You stink.
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Cathypop Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:49:01pm |
re: #259 EmmmieG
We don't have a TV. I have to argue with the radio and the newspaper.
Good for you. Thinking of getting rid of mine the other day. Paying $70.00 a month for satelite and its on maybe 2 hours a day at most.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:49:21pm |
re: #266 Optimizer
This has got to be the biggest fraud - by far - that has ever been perpetrated by anybody in the history of the Universe.
It is clearly NOT a "stimulus package", and the President is not only selling it as one, but he's also trying to rush it through by claiming that if it isn't done immediately, it could cause a "permanent recession". This guy is not only a socialist, he's a crook.
Does a $1T scam qualify as a "high crime or misdemeanor"?
As an added bonus, once that precedent is set, ending Social Security would be a breeze!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:49:36pm |
I read on another site where people are sending their representatives Tea bags in protest. I think I'll do that, too!
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Pianobuff Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:49:40pm |
re: #230 mean Gene
Sure it wasn't done to be lienient to the guy!
Nope.
BUT that will be the result.
And 0bama knows it.
The criminal justice system is no place to deal with un-uniformed terrorists whose crimes include such invisible things as collusion and plotting.
Each day brings something new. For God's sake, this was the friggin' USS Cole bomber. I'd be livid if I was in the family he will be explaining this to.
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solomonpanting Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:49:57pm |
re: #266 Optimizer
This has got to be the biggest fraud - by far - that has ever been perpetrated by anybody in the history of the Universe.
It ranks just below the global warming fraud, but only by a degree or two.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:50:16pm |
re: #255 Bill K.
The Great Depression #2 coming up courtesy of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank and the rest of the rogues in the Democratic Party.
Unless you choose to oppose this shit. It's up to you.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:50:16pm |
re: #269 rumcrook
its kind of disapointing that many people have started to think they have to tie themselves at the hip to nazis in order to fight radical islam.
they will end up goosestepped over by one side or the other....
They know the Nazis will do something, They are just to stupid to understand that they are trading one devil for another.
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abaleh Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:50:17pm |
re: #253 Karagush
two words for you: Reverse osmosis
works good. as much fresh water as you need. Made from the ocean.
Now lets talk about a generator. we need energy. that might be an interesting problem to solve...
I think a wind generator on top of that volcano would do the trick.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:50:45pm |
re: #269 rumcrook
its kind of disapointing that many people have started to think they have to tie themselves at the hip to nazis in order to fight radical islam.
they will end up goosestepped over by one side or the other....
These people are complete morons. It's not even that the fascists will turn on them -- they will, of course -- but they're turning themselves into something no decent person will want to be associated with. They think they're making alliances of necessity, when what they're really doing is turning the so-called 'anti-jihad movement' into a laughable, racist pile of shit.
I'm utterly disgusted with all of them.
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mean Gene Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:50:48pm |
I know this ''stimulus'' plan includes about 325 billion dollars in interest payments......but what portion of this package is made up of Chinese money?
We aren't just printing it all ourselves.
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:50:59pm |
re: #267 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty - yeah, that's what avanti gave me, too. Still can't find any criteria for how poor you have to be or your parent(s) have to be to qualify for how much dough for a Pell Grant.
BTW, how's Tiger?!
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:51:03pm |
re: #282 ArmyWife
Where was that? I mean if they add some "pork" dollars toward bacon, I may just rethink my stance on this thing.
/
It was on a different board entirely.
Updinged for the pork/bacon word play.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:51:19pm |
re: #273 pink freud
So why all of a sudden the FIFTEEN BILLION DOLLAR increase? Where's all that money going to go?
who knows....I just know about the grants...maybe guidelines and qualifications will be rewritten...thats surely alot of tuition there
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:51:36pm |
re: #279 realwest
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the Pell Grants per se, ...
And I'm just saying stop it, period. No doubt there are some items in this bill that could be useful, but it's so packed with pork, it just needs to stop, right now. Full brake.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:51:41pm |
I wonder what the Islamic world thinks when they hear we are spending countless billions on pork...
/enough to make a cleric's head explode.
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TedStriker Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:52:10pm |
re: #54 DistantThunder
Change!
Sickening...Obama should take a verbal beating from every possible person possible on this crap...
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Soona' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:52:26pm |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
I've asked liberals who voted for him, who know my life situation, how anything in the bill will help me.
I can't get an answer. I don't mean they tip toe around it, they just don't know.
I'll ask the same question here.
Hey Avanti, how is this stimulus going to PERSONALLY help me. Not the collective, ME.
And me, Avanti.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:52:35pm |
re: #286 Floral Giraffe
I read on another site where people are sending their representatives Tea bags in protest. I think I'll do that, too!
Me, too. See what happens. My Senators prolly won't get it.
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Elcid Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:52:40pm |
re: #286 Floral Giraffe
Excellent idea...Still have NOT had a reply email from my BOZO.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:52:58pm |
From Prof. Reynolds:
DOING THE RIGHT THING: Obama Says He’ll Stop DEA Medical Pot Raids. Good for him, though I’d also like to see him move to change federal law, and not just the enforcement thereof.
He'd pretty much have to. Otherwise, think of the resulting political scandal!
;)
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NYCHardhat Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:53:10pm |
re: #41 Dar ul Harbarian
Which is better for the economy: Throwing your money in the street or burning it in the fireplace?
Go with the BTU's.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:53:16pm |
re: #279 realwest
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the Pell Grants per se, I'm suggesting VERY STRONGLY, that a $15 Billion increase in Pell Grants must mean every student too poor to go to college can - if this pos bill is passed AND FUNDED - go to college on OUR DIME(S) -thereby providing ACORN with even more "assistants" in voting. I'm serious about this, FIFTEEN BILLION DOLLARS to keep kids off the street seems a bit much these days, no?!
agreed...something is fishy and tax payers should be informed where the money goes
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:53:17pm |
re: #283 Killgore Trout
Worst sentence ever. You stink.
That's just plain weird Killgore. I can't figure out if I need to up ding you or down ding you.
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:53:26pm |
re: #293 Charles
Ah yeah, Charles, shoulda thanked you before. I've already thanked you for your principled and intelligent stands on Intelligent Design, but this stand of yours of "NO Facists In MY Foxhole" is if anything potentially more important.
Thank you AGAIN for all that you're doing Charles.
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:53:28pm |
Of course, it wouldn’t be a liberal wish list if it didn’t include something for ACORN, and sure enough, there is $5.2 billion for community-development block grants and “neighborhood stabilization activities,” which ACORN is eligible to apply for. Finally, the bill allocates $650 million for activities related to the switch from analog to digital TV, including $90 million to educate “vulnerable populations” that they need to go out and get their converter boxes or lose their TV signals. Obviously, this is stimulative stuff: Any economist will tell you that you can’t get higher productivity and economic growth without access to reruns of Family Feud.
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OldDog Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:53:32pm |
The Democrap answer to every problem, "Throw Money at It!"
Of course they are going to make sure their people are there to catch most of it!
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NYCHardhat Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:53:48pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:54:11pm |
re: #262 Lincolntf
Catholic school in MA. I distinctly remember the college-prep guys telling us that EVERYONE gets a Pell Grant, whether they need it or not. It may be incorrect info. now, but everyone I knew got one. $2,000 was the average.
As I said, I never got one. Yes, my parents did apply. Instead, I worked, and with a full-tuition scholarship graduated without loans.
Just on a note about FA and college--my husband went to a really expensive school. This is how they figured the aid: First they took all outside money you might be receiving--federal money and outside scholarship. Then they figured out what your parents could pay. (Or what they thought your parents could pay, which was usually really different from what your parents thought they could pay.) Third, they looked at their own internal donors, which they did have, and if there was anything left, they credited you with a "XYZ college scholarship" which meant they forgave the rest.
If your parents were rich, you were hosed. If they thought your parents were rich, you were hosed.
My husband ran into a problem his third year when they radically upped his parental contribution, and he had to work extra and take out loans to cover the difference.
Between that year and the next, we got married. I had just come off of a mission for the church, and had an income of $00.00 for the year before. Financial aid-wise, this was so beautiful that they actually made him bring in a copy of the marriage certificate to prove it.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:54:33pm |
re: #308 Walter L. Newton
That's just plain weird Killgore. I can't figure out if I need to up ding you or down ding you.
Let's just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.
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Karagush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:54:35pm |
re: #270 Tamron
How much sun and wind are on the island? (hint, hint)
.
actually i meant that in the most day dreamy way... seriously thats a fun thing to think about. how would you build the place. How would you power it? what are your fallback procedures for ensuring the power doesnt fail during a storm?
how would i Typhoon proof the place and still keep it beautiful?
I love that stuff.
makes the daydream so much more fun. Keeps me busy in my head for hours while living with insomnia. Ask any lounge lizard, i dont sleep much but i think about stuff like this all the time.
Like what kind of plane would i have to get on and off the island? would we have a place for a boat?
whats the sportfishing like?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:56:11pm |
re: #309 realwest
Ah yeah, Charles, shoulda thanked you before. I've already thanked you for your principled and intelligent stands on Intelligent Design, but this stand of yours of "NO Facists In MY Foxhole" is if anything potentially more important.
Thank you AGAIN for all that you're doing Charles.
Thanks for the support, real.
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ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:56:22pm |
re: #293 Charles
" They think they're making alliances of necessity, when what they're really doing is turning the so-called 'anti-jihad' movement into a laughable pile of shit."
Another example of useful idiocy. Sometimes I'm ashamed to be Jewish when my people associate with these groups and 78% voted for Obama.
Tragic.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:56:44pm |
re: #295 realwest
Hey Dusty - yeah, that's what avanti gave me, too. Still can't find any criteria for how poor you have to be or your parent(s) have to be to qualify for how much dough for a Pell Grant.
BTW, how's Tiger?!
Tigers doing okay, he bit me about a half hour ago play fighting. I was trying to remember if I got any Pell Grants while I was in college. I know I got State Grant In Aid, because beyond food and rent, my then wife's medical problems where killing us. I was pleased as hell to get called up through the USAR for Desert Storm?Desert Shield. because we got put on Champus, which helped a lot.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:56:58pm |
re: #312 NYCHardhat
hey hun. I've lost hope in Obama
Oh yeah/
when i read your post i hadn't scrolled all the way down and didn't see your sarcasm at the end. at first i was perplexed (i was like, "he had hope?") then i hit the down arrow. LOL. this stimulus thing has really made me feel like I am in the frinkin twilight zone.
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:56:58pm |
re: #214 avanti
How much is awarded in the Federal Pell Grant?
The amount of the Pell Grant varies from $400 to $4,050 (annual figure) depending on the student’s eligibility. The Pell payment schedule issued by the U.S. Department of Education will determine the official Pell Grant amount. The awarded amount per term is contingent upon the credit hours in which the student is enrolled.
My oldest daughter was a single mother and ended up getting a 2 year degree on the welfare reform that was "forced" on Clinton back in the '90s. She then got a Pell Grant, and got a 4-year degree in math and teaching. She now has a Masters.
The combination of welfare reform and Pell grants straightened her life out and she is now useful, productive, and doing as well as a high school teacher can do.
The only problem I have with including Pell grants in the "bailout" is that results are not provided for about 8 years -- 4 for the schooling, and another 4 to get settled into a career.
I would not oppose Pell grant increases as a "standalone" spending bill.
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:57:13pm |
re: #111 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Obama: The gift that keeps on giving.
/wish I had my own tropic island so I could just watch this train wreck from afar.
Alpha Centauri for me.
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Soona' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:57:13pm |
re: #266 Optimizer
This has got to be the biggest fraud - by far - that has ever been perpetrated by anybody in the history of the Universe.
It is clearly NOT a "stimulus package", and the President is not only selling it as one, but he's also trying to rush it through by claiming that if it isn't done immediately, it could cause a "permanent recession". This guy is not only a socialist, he's a crook.
Does a $1T scam qualify as a "high crime or misdemeanor"?
He hasn't even started to talk about how much it's going to cost us to turn "global warming" around.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:57:14pm |
re: #287 Pianobuff
Each day brings something new. For God's sake, this was the friggin' USS Cole bomber. I'd be livid if I was in the family he will be explaining this to.
You do know he is not going to release him ? Obama tried to get 120 day delay in the tribunals to figure out how to get around the torture defense now that the courts ruled that they could defend themselves.
Many of them will need to be tried for related charges to keep them locked up rather then risk the torture issue coming out for the real crime. He's not going to be freed if that's your concern.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:57:17pm |
re: #316 Charles
Thanks for the support, real.
This stuff is really a 1930's 101 class, all over again.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:57:17pm |
I have been blowing $10,000 for two days now. (I am being responsible though) Does that make me a dem on a spending spree? lol
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:57:35pm |
OT: You haven't heard the Imperial March from Star Wars until you've heard it a DJ scratch it out . . . on a hard drive!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:57:59pm |
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:58:06pm |
re: #309 realwest
Ah yeah, Charles, shoulda thanked you before. I've already thanked you for your principled and intelligent stands on Intelligent Design, but this stand of yours of "NO Facists In MY Foxhole" is if anything potentially more important.
Thank you AGAIN for all that you're doing Charles.
All I had in my Fox Hole was a PO'd fox who hated Han and Lima Beans...:)
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NYCHardhat Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:58:20pm |
re: #319 bellamags
when i read your post i hadn't scrolled all the way down and didn't see your sarcasm at the end. at first i was perplexed (i was like, "he had hope?") then i hit the down arrow. LOL. this stimulus thing has really made me feel like I am in the frinkin twilight zone.
I'm full of surprises. I just got home from work. Gotta go eat something. BBIAW.
;)
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gregg Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:58:46pm |
From the Financial Times:
The US Treasury on Wednesday opened the floodgates of government bond issuance, revealing plans for a record debt sale in February and more frequent auctions in the months to come.
The announcement came amid growing fears about US government deficits and sent the yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note rising to 2.95 per cent, up from just over 2 per cent at the end of December.
The rise in Treasury yields has been pushing mortgage rates higher, complicating efforts to revive the economy. The US Federal Reserve said last week it was “prepared to” buy Treasuries if that would be a “particularly effective” way of reducing private borrowing costs.
To someone like myself, who knows next to nothing about economics/finance, this seems bizarre. You have one part of the government issuing debt, and another part of the government buying up that debt. Why not just skip the issuing of the debt and call it a day?
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:59:23pm |
re: #305 gmsc
From Prof. Reynolds:
He'd pretty much have to. Otherwise, think of the resulting political scandal!
;)
Look for the decriminalization of possession of small amounts in a few years.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:59:37pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:59:39pm |
re: #325 UberInfidel67
I have been blowing $10,000 for two days now....
Would you please consider the dyslexic when you construct sentences like that?
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:59:48pm |
If you want your voice heard, pick up the phone. It will take less than one minute of your time. A fax is received by a spam digester. Letters are even better but will arrive too late to influence. Or maybe a trillion dollar debt is not that big a deal. Hell, what do I know...
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 4:59:52pm |
re: #114 Walter L. Newton
And you need to get use to the fact that we Lizards like a little comedy and that at times, we will play with a post and put a humorous spin on our replies.
I wasn't "trashing" your comment, I was extending your comment on "no global warming in space."
Geeeessshhhhh.
WHAT?
(you must love masey. I don't even know her and she tickles me. :>)
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brookly red Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:00:05pm |
re: #286 Floral Giraffe
I read on another site where people are sending their representatives Tea bags in protest. I think I'll do that, too!
Tea bags, tea bags, yes that's it ... got to get my mind out of the gutter.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:00:06pm |
re: #320 jwb7605
My oldest daughter was a single mother and ended up getting a 2 year degree on the welfare reform that was "forced" on Clinton back in the '90s. She then got a Pell Grant, and got a 4-year degree in math and teaching. She now has a Masters.
The combination of welfare reform and Pell grants straightened her life out and she is now useful, productive, and doing as well as a high school teacher can do.
The only problem I have with including Pell grants in the "bailout" is that results are not provided for about 8 years -- 4 for the schooling, and another 4 to get settled into a career.
I would not oppose Pell grant increases as a "standalone" spending bill.
neither would I...right on
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Elcid Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:00:35pm |
Pelosi on Obama: 'We have his back'/Politico
God I despise that...never mind.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:00:37pm |
re: #332 DEZes
3 feet tall, 4 feetwide and fugly.
Just my type. I like woman of all sorts and flavors. Woman are wonderful, period. And I mean that.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:00:44pm |
re: #325 UberInfidel67
I have been blowing $10,000 for two days now. (I am being responsible though) Does that make me a dem on a spending spree? lol
Semi-related scary thought: If $1 million dollars a day were spent on January 1st, 1 A.C.E., and every day thereafter, up to and including the present day, you would still have spent less money than 0bama wants Congress to spend over the next 4 years.
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Soona' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:01:25pm |
re: #325 UberInfidel67
I have been blowing $10,000 for two days now. (I am being responsible though) Does that make me a dem on a spending spree? lol
Is that $10,000 yours or mine?
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:01:37pm |
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:02:05pm |
re: #337 albusteve
neither would I...right on
I agree, too many otherwise good funding projects should be in separate bills.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:02:07pm |
re: #340 Walter L. Newton
Just my type. I like woman of all sorts and flavors. Woman are wonderful, period. And I mean that.
We can both agree on that. ;)
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:02:19pm |
re: #320 jwb7605
The only problem I have with including Pell grants in the "bailout" is that results are not provided for about 8 years -- 4 for the schooling, and another 4 to get settled into a career.
I would not oppose Pell grant increases as a "standalone" spending bill.
And that is the breech in the wall. There is enough pork that everyone can find something they can agree with. That is what the pols trade on.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:02:20pm |
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:02:29pm |
re: #341 gmsc
I feel better : ) I did do only non-evil with it though. I bought a new high tech washer and dryer. It is a big deal to me because I NEVER had anything brand new.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:03:07pm |
re: #342 Soona'
It's actually mine for General Electric killing my Dad about 20 years too soon.
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WhiteRasta Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:03:08pm |
re: #333 Walter L. Newton
If you were a dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac, would you stay awake all night wondering if there was a Dog?
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:03:11pm |
re: #331 avanti
Look for the decriminalization of possession of small amounts in a few years.
Judging by recent news items, the way to eliminate the drug problem in this country would be to take all the drugs that are illegal now, legalize them, and then tax them heavily (you know: $750 tax on an ounce of marijuana, and so on up to, say, $3000 for crack cocaine)!
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:03:22pm |
re: #347 Walter L. Newton
MAISEY. That's how it's spelt on her green card.
I'll put it on a post it note, I keep losing it,,,:(
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:03:31pm |
re: #331 avanti
And then look forward to horrific accidents and manufacturing facilities and refineries. Great idea, this one.
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:03:44pm |
re: #274 vxbush
Hi {vxbush} - well I'm glad some worthwhile folks got help from the Pell Grants, but other than administrations and teachers, who is gonna be "stimulated" by this increase in Pell Grants? Seriously. I mean hell, $15 BILLON is a LOT OF DAMN TAXPAYER MONEY - other than keeping professors and instructors and administrators with jobs, and enabling, apparently, anyone to go to college, thereby providing ACORN with even MORE volunteers, why this HUGE increase in Pell Grants?
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WhiteRasta Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:03:46pm |
re: #340 Walter L. Newton
You have never met my third ex-wife, then......
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:04:00pm |
re: #352 Dustyvet
I'll put it on a post it note, I keep losing it,,,:(
Now how the heck did she get a green card?
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:04:06pm |
Another Obama sales pitch coming up in a few minutes on TV.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:04:42pm |
re: #357 avanti
Another Obama sales pitch coming up in a few minutes on TV.
Ooooh . . is it the one for the dishes, or the one for the coins?
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:05:29pm |
re: #356 Dustyvet
Now how the heck did she get a green card?
That's called a legal immigrant, good bird.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:05:44pm |
re: #351 gmsc
Judging by recent news items, the way to eliminate the drug problem in this country would be to take all the drugs that are illegal now, legalize them, and then tax them heavily (you know: $750 tax on an ounce of marijuana, and so on up to, say, $3000 for crack cocaine)!
With grass, you could tax the hell out of it, it's a weed after all.
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Soona' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:05:51pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:06:14pm |
re: #356 Dustyvet
Now how the heck did she get a green card?
She's from Brazil. She's a Red-Lored Amazon. You know, a pirate parrot, green, does the shoulder-sitting trick.
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mean Gene Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:06:27pm |
re: #348 UberInfidel67
I feel better : ) I did do only non-evil with it though. I bought a new high tech washer and dryer. It is a big deal to me because I NEVER had anything brand new.
Congratulations.
We did that, too.
I'd rather upgrade inside the home than see it disappear in the market or sit still in a bank.
But 0bama is going to be coming for both of us.
He wants to re-do all appliances so that they are cheaper to make, more energy efficient fall apart faster so we have to up grade more often.
One link: [Link: news.google.com...]
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acwgusa Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:06:27pm |
Honestly, Obama and crew make me afraid for my country.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:06:36pm |
I bet if you were to conduct a phone survey on random people across the country, they would not realize where this 900 billion is really going. I bet a majority would think it would go to fulfilling Obama's promises during his presidential campaign. What perfect timing. This bailout package during the first 3 weeks of his presidency. There is a huge amount of money being talked about in the media and the sheeple think its going into their bank accounts.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:06:53pm |
re: #358 gmsc
Ooooh . . is it the one for the dishes, or the one for the coins?
Nope, this one is for a 900 billion dollar goodie.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:06:54pm |
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:07:04pm |
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Yankee Division Son Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:07:23pm |
re: #293 Charles
These people are complete morons. It's not even that the fascists will turn on them -- they will, of course -- but they're turning themselves into something no decent person will want to be associated with. They think they're making alliances of necessity, when what they're really doing is turning the so-called 'anti-jihad movement' into a laughable, racist pile of shit.
I'm utterly disgusted with all of them.
I too, want to ad my vote of thanks for your principled stand on this issue. My Dad helped liberate Gausen, and I can tell you from what little he told me about it you're on the correct side, and the only side a sane human being can be, of this issue.
Thank you for what you do Charles.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:07:30pm |
re: #360 avanti
With grass, you could tax the hell out of it, it's a weed after all.
following that reason, people should be taxed on the wine and beer they make at home...why the double standard?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:07:43pm |
Be back in a few minutes. Need to check the mail, drop off some trash and feed the unicorn.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:07:44pm |
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:08:10pm |
re: #362 Walter L. Newton
She's from Brazil. She's a Red-Lored Amazon. You know, a pirate parrot, green, does the shoulder-sitting trick.
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:08:19pm |
re: #320 jwb7605
Congratulations on your daughter's success - but do we really need a $15 BILLION INCREASE in Pell Grants?
As a stand alone, I can practically guarantee that this would never pass Congress. Remember, this isn't Fake Money - it's TAXPAYER money and barring any unforseen circumstances, your grandaughter is gonna have to foot the bill for this entire Stimulus Package, including the Pell Grant increase!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:08:33pm |
re: #293 Charles
I just taught a bunch of boys about Sir Robert Baden-Powell. I believe in scouting, and I believe this man did a wonderful thing in constructing an organization that teaches boys how to succeed and how to channel their energies in constructive and great ways.
Not that I got into this with the boys in depth, but Baden-Powell was taken in by fascism. For him it was a reaction to communism, which he hated. He died in 1941, so we never got his post-war reaction. (He was also fairly old by WWII). The Germans, incidentally, hated him and his name was on the arrest list. Even if he didn't see that the values of scouting stood in opposition to fascism, they did.
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Keyboard Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:08:39pm |
re: #120 Soona'
Hehe, this is what I get for not checking up on the board ;-)
To answer your question about what good are the atmospheric chemistry departments of NASA, I'm not going to get into a debate about whether humans cause global warming or not. However, we can all agree that it's important to keep an eye on stuff like chemical imbalances in the atmosphere, regardless of whether this is naturally occurring or whether it's stuff that man is putting up there. If we didn't, we wouldn't know about the ozone layer and holes in it. Either way, these sorts of programs are to monitor these things, try to identify problem areas, and so on. Since so few places do it, it's good to have another place that can double check or disagree with the numbers that other institutes put out.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:08:45pm |
re: #363 mean Gene
Thank you : ) I really did go for efficiancy too. I like the idea of less water being used. Plus there are features for sanitizing clothes and such. It also has a sensor to turn off when clothes are dry...no unnecessary drying time. I feel like I did a good thing.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:09:32pm |
re: #370 albusteve
following that reason, people should be taxed on the wine and beer they make at home...why the double standard?
Nope, they'll only tax the stuff in fancy packs made by the cigarette companies.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:10:11pm |
re: #377 UberInfidel67
Thank you : ) I really did go for efficiancy too. I like the idea of less water being used. Plus there are features for sanitizing clothes and such. It also has a sensor to turn off when clothes are dry...no unnecessary drying time. I feel like I did a good thing.
in Cook's time iron nails were worth far more than pearls...connect the dots
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code red 21 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:10:42pm |
Holy shit and WTF are the only things I can think to say at this time...and oh we are so screwed.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:11:17pm |
re: #379 albusteve
Don't worry about me...I have my priorities straight.
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Lincolntf Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:11:19pm |
re: #354 realwest
The whole higher education financing system is a scam. Scam is not an overstatement.
If "Johnny" can only afford $5,000 a year for college and Acme University charges $10,000 a year, then Acme gets U. gets $5,000 from the Government (or Government backed loans).
That was the scenario twenty years ago.
Nowadays, Johnny can still only afford 5 grand for college, but tuition is $22,500, so the College gets $17,500 from the Government.
Tuition prices have trebled in the last twenty years, does anyone think that the quality of education has? The only way such a market perversion occurs is through Government interference. Loans are traps.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:12:10pm |
re: #378 avanti
Nope, they'll only tax the stuff in fancy packs made by the cigarette companies.
which few people will buy due to a huge black market....it's just all wrong and the feds know it...I hate the feds
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:12:25pm |
re: #328 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty - I know we've kidded around about C Rats (What else are ya gonna do with 'em, you sure can't eat 'em!) but I was serious with that comment. Charles has taken an AWFUL lot of Flak - much of it personal and vicious in nature, for taking a principled stand against these neo-Nazi's and he deserves ALL of us supporting him.
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SFGoth Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:13:34pm |
So who got the ball rolling? None other than George W. I.(left my free market principles in San Francisco) Bush. Got one thing right (tax cuts), got another thing 1/2 right (the undeclared war on an unfocused concept), and that's pretty much it. Thanks a bunch. May we never have another president related to George Prescott Bush. (Bear in mind, GHWB gave us the monstrosity called the ADA.)
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:13:53pm |
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:14:13pm |
re: #384 realwest
Hey Dusty - I know we've kidded around about C Rats (What else are ya gonna do with 'em, you sure can't eat 'em!) but I was serious with that comment. Charles has taken an AWFUL lot of Flak - much of it personal and vicious in nature, for taking a principled stand against these neo-Nazi's and he deserves ALL of us supporting him.
And I do, remember I'm on Medication...you know the drill...:)
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:14:24pm |
OT: Finally! Good global warming news!
Antarctic Meltdown Would Flood Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C., and other coastal U.S. cities could find themselves under several more feet of water than previously predicted if warming temperatures destroy the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, a new study based on a model predicts.
The West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) towers about 6,000 feet (1,800 meters) above sea level over a large section of Antarctica. It holds about 500,000 cubic miles (2.2 million cubic kilometers) of ice, about the same amount of ice contained in the Greenland Ice Sheet.
This vast swath of ice is the anchor for numerous glaciers that drain into the polar sea and is bounded by the Ross and Ronne Ice Shelves. Whether or when this ice sheet might melt is still very uncertain, but even a partial melt would have a bigger impact on some coastal areas than others.
The new research found that sea level rise would not be uniform around the globe, owing to odd gravitational effects and predicted shifts in the planet's rotation.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:14:25pm |
re: #365 bellamags
I bet if you were to conduct a phone survey on random people across the country, they would not realize where this 900 billion is really going. I bet a majority would think it would go to fulfilling Obama's promises during his presidential campaign. What perfect timing. This bailout package during the first 3 weeks of his presidency. There is a huge amount of money being talked about in the media and the sheeple think its going into their bank accounts.
Are you telling me that there's NOT gonna be $900 billion in my bank account next week?
Damn, I already spent a third of it.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:14:28pm |
re: #381 UberInfidel67
Don't worry about me...I have my priorities straight.
sometimes I worry about me here in ABQ...they say the population may increase here in the valley by 40% in 5 yrs...people fleeing AZ and CA and from the east...there is limited water here too...
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:15:22pm |
re: #387 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Importantly, where are the razor-sharp teeth?
Every orifice, sorry to say, but hey they make a great Tyderian omelet.
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WitchDoctor Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:15:28pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:15:35pm |
re: #315 Karagush
Here's a link to Marlon Brando's former private Island...
[Link: www.tetiaroa.com...]
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:15:46pm |
re: #340 Walter L. Newton
Just my type. I like woman of all sorts and flavors. Woman are wonderful, period. And I mean that.
The "ladies" in question, Walter, are orbiting Alpha Centauri.
(Not sure which planet, yet)
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brookly red Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:15:59pm |
re: #383 albusteve
which few people will buy due to a huge black market....it's just all wrong and the feds know it...I hate the feds
How true. Here in the inner city all the street level dealers are switching from drugs to cigarettes... less risk & better return.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:16:19pm |
re: #390 screaming_eagle
ha. there is however 830 million set aside for unicorn purchases.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:16:22pm |
re: #395 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
The "ladies" in question, Walter, are orbiting Alpha Centauri.
(Not sure which planet, yet)
Pegusus 5.
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grahamski Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:17:00pm |
What!, no $$$ to save the whales!....This is an outrage!
/
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mean Gene Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:17:16pm |
re: #389 gmsc
Oh, wait! I live in a coastal town!
Oh well.
None of these jerks of scientists ever recall that water is heavy.
As more of it fills the oceans it also has the effect of pushing down on the ocean floor.
All that happens is that the oceans become deeper in a few spots.
We'll be fine!
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:17:43pm |
re: #396 brookly red
How true. Here in the inner city all the street level dealers are switching from drugs to cigarettes... less risk & better return.
they are always one step ahead of the feds...you'd think those lunatics would learn
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vxbush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:17:47pm |
re: #354 realwest
Hi {vxbush} - well I'm glad some worthwhile folks got help from the Pell Grants, but other than administrations and teachers, who is gonna be "stimulated" by this increase in Pell Grants? Seriously. I mean hell, $15 BILLON is a LOT OF DAMN TAXPAYER MONEY - other than keeping professors and instructors and administrators with jobs, and enabling, apparently, anyone to go to college, thereby providing ACORN with even MORE volunteers, why this HUGE increase in Pell Grants?
Think of it this way; I'm not approving this use of money, but it is often the case that during times of economic downturn more people go to college and graduate school. In order for that to happen, Dems are assuming that in order for more people to go to school more money will be needed for Pell Grants, etc.
Now we also know that as people have more education, they also have a higher salary income than without that education. So the Dems are saying that the Pell Grant reaps rewards beyond just the school getting money; people are helped to increase their salaries after college.
Of course, that stimulus will only happen after 4, 5, 6, 7 and more years, not NOW.
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:18:03pm |
re: #337 albusteve
But as I said upthread somewhere, albusteve, the fact is her daughter is gonna have to pay for this "stimulus package" and I again say I cannot imagine how an increase of FIFTEEN BILLION BUCKS of TAXPAYER MONEY in Pell Grants can be justified even by Obama, other than as a way to get more potential volunteers for ACORN.
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:18:10pm |
re: #374 realwest
Congratulations on your daughter's success - but do we really need a $15 BILLION INCREASE in Pell Grants?
As a stand alone, I can practically guarantee that this would never pass Congress. Remember, this isn't Fake Money - it's TAXPAYER money and barring any unforseen circumstances, your grandaughter is gonna have to foot the bill for this entire Stimulus Package, including the Pell Grant increase!
No. 15 billion is excessive.
That's why I indicated I would support an increase as part of a stand-alone legislation. The pros and cons of how much increase could be debated. We would be able to separate the amount of loans currently given by traditional means, and how much money is disbursed for "special needs" situations, and make decisions accordingly.
I wish they had been available in '74. I could have used one, and would have qualified for one. I also started out with "zero assets", except for the G.I. Bill.
Your point is one I'll be discussing with my daughter soon. My granddaughter is currently 15. I'm afraid that the monies will be misspent badly enough that in 3-4 years, the funds will be completely unavailable.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:18:17pm |
re: #402 vxbush
Think of it this way; I'm not approving this use of money, but it is often the case that during times of economic downturn more people go to college and graduate school. In order for that to happen, Dems are assuming that in order for more people to go to school more money will be needed for Pell Grants, etc.
Now we also know that as people have more education, they also have a higher salary income than without that education. So the Dems are saying that the Pell Grant reaps rewards beyond just the school getting money; people are helped to increase their salaries after college.
Of course, that stimulus will only happen after 4, 5, 6, 7 and more years, not NOW.
re: #78 Ojoe
If your stimulus lasts longer than 4 years call a doctor.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:18:35pm |
Let me get this straight:
Democratic President.
Democratic House of Representatives.
Democratic Senate.
The stimulus package is in danger of not passing.
It's the Republicans' fault.
Right./
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yochanan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:18:46pm |
PROBLEM with some pell grants is that there were some fly by nite schools that were able to take them. now if they were only usable in real schools might solove some of the problems.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:19:43pm |
re: #406 Spare O'Lake
Let me get this straight:
Democratic President.
Democratic House of Representatives.
Democratic Senate.
The stimulus package is in danger of not passing.
It's the Republicans' fault.
Right./
Yep you got it.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:20:00pm |
re: #395 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
The "ladies" in question, Walter, are orbiting Alpha Centauri.
(Not sure which planet, yet)
You should visit the planets surrounding the Dumbbell nebula, rumor has it Obama was born there.
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:20:05pm |
re: #266 Optimizer
This has got to be the biggest fraud - by far - that has ever been perpetrated by anybody in the history of the Universe.
Actually no. The Largest fraud, dollar cost-wise, is the Ponzi scheme perpetrated by FDR called --- Social Security ---.
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Boxy_brown Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:20:35pm |
Here is a contact list of senators who need to be told that we can't pass this atrocity.
Please call, especially Senators Collins and Snowe of Maine.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:20:41pm |
re: #409 DEZes
You should visit the planets surrounding the Dumbbell nebula, rumor has it Obama was born there.
I thought the One self-created himself.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:20:52pm |
re: #386 taxfreekiller
Ugh.
Rick Perry is the one who appointed young earth creationist Don McLeroy to the Texas State Board of Education. He's in the pocket of the Discovery Institute and the religious far-right.
And Sarah Palin is endorsing him. Isn't that lovely.
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:21:20pm |
re: #402 vxbush
"Of course, that stimulus will only happen after 4, 5, 6, 7 and more years, not NOW."
Exactly and precisely. I'm NOT against the government helping those who are qualified to go to college from helping them do so, but why the hell is this in this "Stimulus Package"?
Other than to win new converts to the Obamessiah, I mean.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:21:50pm |
re: #403 realwest
But as I said upthread somewhere, albusteve, the fact is her daughter is gonna have to pay for this "stimulus package" and I again say I cannot imagine how an increase of FIFTEEN BILLION BUCKS of TAXPAYER MONEY in Pell Grants can be justified even by Obama, other than as a way to get more potential volunteers for ACORN.
I cant explain it...higher ed is a money making machine protected by the govt and certainly a cesspool of leftism...in the bigger picture you are absolutely right...another good idea used and abused for political gain...we are surrounded...
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:22:02pm |
re: #275 Spare O'Lake
Did anyone see a Zionist Stimulus Package in there?
I must have missed it./
Those Hamassholes were bringing it in. OOPS. :>
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realwest Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:22:04pm |
Well y'all gotta go eat dinner - hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:22:17pm |
re: #365 bellamags
I bet if you were to conduct a phone survey on random people across the country, they would not realize where this 900 billion is really going. I bet a majority would think it would go to fulfilling Obama's promises during his presidential campaign. What perfect timing. This bailout package during the first 3 weeks of his presidency. There is a huge amount of money being talked about in the media and the sheeple think its going into their bank accounts.
This is where the rubber meets the road..
If this plan fails..He is a failure..Obama goes down in flames..
If it works. who knows?
/At least I feel better knowing it was we who we were waiting for..or was it was us who we were waiting on..dang it..what did he say? LOL
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:22:18pm |
re: #391 albusteve It ain't that water is limited here. It's just that I pay for "city" water. I do not have well water. City water is not very cheap either, so if I can lower my water bill AND conserve some water....sounds good to me.
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TedStriker Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:22:43pm |
re: #214 avanti
How much is awarded in the Federal Pell Grant?
The amount of the Pell Grant varies from $400 to $4,050 (annual figure) depending on the student’s eligibility. The Pell payment schedule issued by the U.S. Department of Education will determine the official Pell Grant amount. The awarded amount per term is contingent upon the credit hours in which the student is enrolled.
I, as a nontraditional undergrad who worked a few years before going back to school, was never deemed eligible for Pell or any other type of grants, because I earned too much...worked full-time in Nashville (where I live) while commuting 40 miles (one-way) at least 3 days a week and taking a full-time course load for five years (2001-2005) at Austin Peay State University in Clarksville.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:23:42pm |
re: #415 albusteve
I cant explain it...higher ed is a money making machine protected by the govt and certainly a cesspool of leftism...in the bigger picture you are absolutely right...another good idea used and abused for political gain...we are surrounded...
and the big joke is, there are no jobs LA majors.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:23:44pm |
re: #385 SFGoth
So who got the ball rolling? None other than George W. I.(left my free market principles in San Francisco) Bush. Got one thing right (tax cuts), got another thing 1/2 right (the undeclared war on an unfocused concept), and that's pretty much it. Thanks a bunch. May we never have another president related to George Prescott Bush. (Bear in mind, GHWB gave us the monstrosity called the ADA.)
Enjoy your new president, so much more than your old president. When the results are in it probably won't much matter any longer.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:23:48pm |
re: #412 screaming_eagle
I thought the One self-created himself.
Well thats what it means when people say he can go f**k himself.
;)
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Soona' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:24:08pm |
re: #402 vxbush
Think of it this way; I'm not approving this use of money, but it is often the case that during times of economic downturn more people go to college and graduate school. In order for that to happen, Dems are assuming that in order for more people to go to school more money will be needed for Pell Grants, etc.
Now we also know that as people have more education, they also have a higher salary income than without that education. So the Dems are saying that the Pell Grant reaps rewards beyond just the school getting money; people are helped to increase their salaries after college.
Of course, that stimulus will only happen after 4, 5, 6, 7 and more years, not NOW.
What pisses me off more than anything about American universities is that they won't open up their own vast (understated) coffers to help with student costs. Many schools are sitting on hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars and are still trying to suck the public out of more money.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:24:32pm |
re: #419 UberInfidel67
It ain't that water is limited here. It's just that I pay for "city" water. I do not have well water. City water is not very cheap either, so if I can lower my water bill AND conserve some water....sounds good to me.
I thought you were in CA...that was the thrust of my thinking about water
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:26:10pm |
re: #409 DEZes
You should visit the planets surrounding the Dumbbell nebula, rumor has it Obama was born there.
Ear reference.
/RACIST!
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:26:22pm |
re: #423 DEZes
Well thats what it means when people say he can go f**k himself.
;)
LMAO
Yep, that's it.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:26:33pm |
re: #418 HoosierHoops
This is where the rubber meets the road..
If this plan fails..He is a failure..Obama goes down in flames..
If it works. who knows?
/At least I feel better knowing it was we who we were waiting for..or was it was us who we were waiting on..dang it..what did he say? LOL
i think either way he's screwed. the money isn't going to directly affect many people soon enough. the morons who voted for him don't have the mental capacity to understand. they are the same people who don't understand the time it will take to win the war on terror.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:26:42pm |
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:27:00pm |
re: #327 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
What are the chicks like?
Green and friendly. (extra body parts too!)
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code red 21 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:27:03pm |
re: #411 Boxy_brown
Here is a contact list of senators who need to be told that we can't pass this atrocity.
Please call, especially Senators Collins and Snowe of Maine.
That list has Bill Nelson of Florida listed as a Republican he's a Donk. Martinez is a RINO
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twincitiesgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:27:13pm |
re: #122 ArmyWife
Good evening! I have a leadership suggestion for The One. Let's get this stuff in a spreadsheet and go line by line showing 1. the item itself 2. the cost 3. the number of jobs created as a direct result, for this we want immediate impact and not any multipliers and 4. the ROI in 12 months time, and 18 months time. This spreadsheet can be posted on the internet, and included in the tool kit for the "house meetings".
I love this! I don't know how to tell you, but this is way over his head and most of the Democrats in congress. As far as any return on investments go--haven't you gotten your unicorn?
/fairy dust for everyone! Make mine a double.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:27:35pm |
By the way, tfk:
Please do not post any more links to NumbersUSA at my site. I don't know if you're aware of their background and connections to white supremacists, but here are the ugly details.
The same goes for the Minutemen, whose members have appeared on the neo-Nazi Political Cesspool radio show.
From now on, I'm deleting any links to these groups.
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vxbush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:27:58pm |
re: #414 realwest
"Of course, that stimulus will only happen after 4, 5, 6, 7 and more years, not NOW."
Exactly and precisely. I'm NOT against the government helping those who are qualified to go to college from helping them do so, but why the hell is this in this "Stimulus Package"?
Other than to win new converts to the Obamessiah, I mean.
That seems more likely. Although, here's a question that cannot be answered quickly: Are the Pell grant upper limits for students tracking the rate of inflation for increases each year? Or is that handled separately?
I ask because school tuition rates have gone up more than the rate of inflation, so Pell grants may not have kept up the pace and therefore while a Pell Grant in 2005 may have covered, say, 50% of a tuition cost, today that could instead only be 40%.
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Karagush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:29:35pm |
re: #433 twincitiesgirl
I love this! I don't know how to tell you, but this is way over his head and most of the Democrats in congress. As far as any return on investments go--haven't you gotten your unicorn?
/fairy dust for everyone! Make mine a double.
she wants a donkey named Smoke. She told me so. I bet you can have her unicorn if she could get Smoke out of Iraq.
Personally i think that donk in TQ could do better than most those dems in the decision making dept, and hes still kind of a baby.
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TedStriker Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:29:56pm |
re: #246 Lynn B.
Utterly clueless...
All the neo-Nazi/white nationalist sympathizers and enablers in the anti-jihadist blogosphere can go eat a bag of d**ks for all I care...
/I'm particularly looking at you, Pamela...NO FASCISTS IN MY FOXHOLE!
| 440 |
DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:30:04pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:31:07pm |
O'Reilly on the radio saying he still thinks Obama wants to do what is right for the people.
And he just had Bob Beckel on. Boy, it was hard to figure out who was doing the screwing and who was getting screwed.
Tools.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:31:08pm |
Has anyone else heard this:
**SNIP**
Military Commission to withdraw charges against terrorist suspect Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. The charges may later be reinstated in a military commission or pursued in a civilian court. Al-Nashiri will remain in custody.
The announcement will not be made until after President Obama meets with the families of victims of terrorist attacks on 9/11 and on the U.S.S. Cole, where he will assure them that this step is not being done to be lenient towards al-Nashiri. The move is being done to stop the continued prosecution of al-Nashiri in a court system that his administration may ultimately find illegitimate, not for any other reason, sources told ABC News.
President Obama has expressed concern about whether the military commissions set up by the Bush administration are the proper way to go forward in pursuing charges against the U.S. detainees, and on January 22 he asked all the judges supervising the trials of detainees for a continuance of 120 days, so a team of administration officials could review the best way forward.
In almost the cases, that continuance request was granted. But last week the judge supervising the al-Nashiri trial -- Army Col. James L. Pohl, the chief judge at the Guantanamo Bay war crimes court -- said he would not heed President Obama's request for a 120-day continuance, or delay, in prosecutions of terrorism suspects. Pohl called the president's request "not reasonable" and not "in the interests of justice."
The arraignment of al-Nashiri is scheduled for Monday, February 9.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:31:30pm |
Howdy.
On the thread topic, Taranto noted today:
Especially because President Obama himself, in a Washington Post op-ed, admits that the so-called stimulus is not just about stimulating the economy in response to an emergency:
"This plan is more than a prescription for short-term spending--it's a strategy for America's long-term growth and opportunity in areas such as renewable energy, health care and education."
So Obama himself admits that the "stimulus" package is a giant liberal agenda boondoggle. But, you know, if we don't do exactly what he says, when he says it, we'll be in a permanent Depression, forever and ever, amen.
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:31:31pm |
Obama just said, "I wanna thank Nancy Pelosi. She is a rock!"
That may be the first thing he's ever said that I agreed with.
Of course, he may not have been referring to what's between her ears...
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jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:31:32pm |
re: #413 Charles
Kay Bailey Hutchinson's campaign is shooting back:
Hutchison's campaign spokesman, Todd Olsen, said the letter reads like something the Perry campaign, not Palin, wrote.
"I don't know that Governor Palin would have said that about a governor who had, via executive action, required teenage sixth-grade girls without their parents' permission to be required to take an HPV vaccine," Olsen said, referring to Perry's executive order in 2007 that required shots against a virus that causes cervical cancer. The Legislature overrode his mandate.
Olsen said Palin would find wide support from Hutchison among GOP women. They "just think Kay Hutchison is a superstar and they are overwhelmingly endorsing Senator Hutchison."
"We look forward to Governor Palin's endorsement, after the primary if not sooner," Olsen said.
[Link: juneauempire.com...]
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:32:08pm |
re: #430 albusteve
To be more specific, I am in STEELER country. lol
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:32:36pm |
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:32:40pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:32:51pm |
re: #434 Charles
Honest question: (and I don't post links anyway) But, is any group clean?
I kinda like grassfire, any thoughts?
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:33:07pm |
re: #441 Walter L. Newton
O'Reilly on the radio saying he still thinks Obama wants to do what is right for the people.
And he just had Bob Beckel on. Boy, it was hard to figure out who was doing the screwing and who was getting screwed.
Tools.
Circle Jerkle.
| 453 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:33:10pm |
re: #365 bellamags
I bet if you were to conduct a phone survey on random people across the country, they would not realize where this 900 billion is really going. I bet a majority would think it would go to fulfilling Obama's promises during his presidential campaign. What perfect timing. This bailout package during the first 3 weeks of his presidency. There is a huge amount of money being talked about in the media and the sheeple think its going into their bank accounts.
It's not WHERE it's going that bothers me, it's WHERE (read who) it's coming FROM!
| 454 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:33:12pm |
Did anyone, in your wildest dreams, think Obama would rush to Socialism THIS fast?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:33:20pm |
OK... FNC has "breaking news" with the One reading his teleprompter... the wife turned off the sound because she can't stand him.
What's he selling now?
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:33:25pm |
there really is nothing behind his eyes. just emptiness.
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formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:33:38pm |
re: #382 Lincolntf
You nailed it. I have been saying this for a decade.
It is no different than politicians like Obama, finding tax money to go to companies like Rezko had, only to wind up as campaign donations from the same company.
I can't stand the fact, these colleges have managed eliminate themselves from having to compete in the marketplace.
No market force exists in higher education. You really need to ponder when Hillary is itching to acquire private company wealth via windfall profits tax, but their solution to impossible education costs, is throwing more taxpayer money at the problem.
It burns me up.
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Sgt.Slappy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:33:50pm |
re: #126 Walter L. Newton
Brethren and Fellow Citizens!
You may depend that those odious Miscreants and detestable tools to socialism and their figurehead in the office of President, Democratic Senators and Congressmen, (those Traitors to their Country, Butchers, who have done, and are doing every Thing to Murder and destroy all that shall stand in the Way of their private Interest, ) are determined to reside again in the Town of Boston Halls of Government.
I therefore give you this early Notice, that you may hold yourselves in Readiness, on the shortest Notice, to give them such a Reception, as such vile Ingrates deserve. JOYCE, jun.
(Chairman of the Committee for Tarring and Feathering.
-> If any Person should be so hardy as to Tear this down, they may expect my severest Resentment. J. jun.
Adapted from the original, here.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:34:21pm |
re: #451 brookly red
Honest question: (and I don't post links anyway) But, is any group clean? I kinda like grassfire, any thoughts?
You're question is baiting. What does that mean. Nothing.
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JCM Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:34:21pm |
re: #454 Racer X
Did anyone, in your wildest dreams, think Obama would rush to Socialism THIS fast?
Give him time, he'll steer toward the center......
/////
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bellamags Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:34:38pm |
re: #453 jcw46
It's not WHERE it's going that bothers me, it's WHERE (read who) it's coming FROM!
Both share equal amounts of bullshit.
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:34:40pm |
re: #436 vxbush
That seems more likely. Although, here's a question that cannot be answered quickly: Are the Pell grant upper limits for students tracking the rate of inflation for increases each year? Or is that handled separately?
I ask because school tuition rates have gone up more than the rate of inflation, so Pell grants may not have kept up the pace and therefore while a Pell Grant in 2005 may have covered, say, 50% of a tuition cost, today that could instead only be 40%.
Actually, it's a case of unintended consequences.
The increases in Pell Grants and other federal aid actually cause tuition to increase, not the other way around.
Every time they raise the limit on grants or loans, the schools raise the tuition by that much, plus a little more.
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SFGoth Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:34:41pm |
re: #422 The Shadow Do
Enjoy your new president, so much more than your old president. When the results are in it probably won't much matter any longer.
He's all our president and I'm sure not enjoying him.
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Lynn B. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:34:43pm |
re: #454 Racer X
Did anyone, in your wildest dreams, think Obama would rush to Socialism THIS fast?
Not even in my worst nightmares.
And I thought they were bad enough ...
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:34:51pm |
re: #454 Racer X
Did anyone, in your wildest dreams, think Obama would rush to Socialism THIS fast?
Yes... also I think we are getting the watered down version.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:34:51pm |
re: #438 Karagush
Smoke has a home here! Perhaps Obama feels I've reached my quota of equines what with my 3 horses, therefore I do not deserve a unicorn. Or I've pissed his team off one too many times and I've got a special identifing mark next to my name!
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twincitiesgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:34:52pm |
re: #444 lobo91
Obama just said, "I wanna thank Nancy Pelosi. She is a rock!"
That may be the first thing he's ever said that I agreed with.
Of course, he may not have been referring to what's between her ears...
Thanks, for the much needed humor, but I just spit water all over my monitor. Did he really call her a rock?
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:34:57pm |
re: #454 Racer X
Did anyone, in your wildest dreams, think Obama would rush to Socialism THIS fast?
I figured 2 years. Not 2 weeks.
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SFGoth Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:35:13pm |
re: #463 lobo91
Actually, it's a case of unintended consequences.
The increases in Pell Grants and other federal aid actually cause tuition to increase, not the other way around.
Every time they raise the limit on grants or loans, the schools raise the tuition by that much, plus a little more.
Funny how some people just can't seem to grasp that idea.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:35:33pm |
re: #454 Racer X
Did anyone, in your wildest dreams, think Obama would rush to Socialism THIS fast?
Er, yes. It wasn't any surprise. Why would it be?
| 472 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:35:37pm |
re: #455 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
threatening us again with impending doom?
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vxbush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:36:09pm |
re: #463 lobo91
Actually, it's a case of unintended consequences.
The increases in Pell Grants and other federal aid actually cause tuition to increase, not the other way around.
Every time they raise the limit on grants or loans, the schools raise the tuition by that much, plus a little more.
I would agree, that's almost certainly true. Same thing has happened in healthcare--as insurance money payouts have gone up, so have costs, most notably as government payouts have gone out.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:36:20pm |
Ohh, here comes the scare talk again.
We have everything to fear, including fear itself! Do what I say, you curs!
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:36:20pm |
re: #447 UberInfidel67
To be more specific, I am in STEELER country. lol
well then I hate you very much thanks....
albusteve
die hard
Cowboy fan.......wait'll next year!
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witness Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:36:31pm |
What the hell is this joker talking about? This moron is a disgrace. The world is laughing at us and people are suffering and he's making jokes like its SNL. Putz
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hippieforlife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:36:33pm |
I am going to be ill! Fox just broke in to O'Reilly to feature the O at the dem retreat in WV.
He starts out by calling Nancy Pelosi a "rock". I believe that should have been "a rock with lips".
Campaign speech as usual, cable chatter. All the people voted for unicorns. He just said that this is a time for great leadership.
Maybe he is quitting?
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Racer X Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:36:40pm |
re: #446 bellamags
Obama is a puppet.
*whoever has their hand up his ass, would you kindly unclench your fist?
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KitchenQueen Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:37:01pm |
re: #32 Killian Bundy
But, but, if we don't pass my Porkapalooza RIGHT THIS SECOND, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
/Barack "Chicken Little" Obama
(piggybacking on this)
No! No! There's no time to read it! Nothing to think about. Nothing to talk about. Trust me.
///
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brookly red Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:37:04pm |
re: #460 Walter L. Newton
You're question is baiting. What does that mean. Nothing.
It's not bating, hommie it's a question... I kinda like grassfire, do they have any questionable associations?
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:38:00pm |
Ah, he wants bipartisanship. Which means, of course, the GOP should do exactly what he says.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:38:02pm |
re: #457 formercorpsman
You nailed it. I have been saying this for a decade.
It is no different than politicians like Obama, finding tax money to go to companies like Rezko had, only to wind up as campaign donations from the same company.
I can't stand the fact, these colleges have managed eliminate themselves from having to compete in the marketplace.
No market force exists in higher education. You really need to ponder when Hillary is itching to acquire private company wealth via windfall profits tax, but their solution to impossible education costs, is throwing more taxpayer money at the problem.
It burns me up.
well said bro
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:38:02pm |
re: #461 JCM
Give him time, he'll steer toward the center......
/////
Hell, according to Avanti (and Kos), he already IS governing from the center.
The center of the ditch off the left side of the road, maybe...
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:38:18pm |
re: #458 Lincolntf
Understandable. They were using him to promote cereals for kids, like Frosted Flakes. Phelps is poison to kids products for the next few years.
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:38:29pm |
re: #471 Walter L. Newton
Er, yes. It wasn't any surprise. Why would it be?
It's the only way to get a fully qualified socialist boondoggle impressed on the country.
If things were done "little by little", the public would notice and stop things before it was too late.
This is an all-or-none scenario. If it ends up being "all", we'll not recover in my lifetime.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:38:45pm |
re: #471 Walter L. Newton
Er, yes. It wasn't any surprise. Why would it be?
I thought he would at least wait a month or two. Holy crap he is going for all out Socialism TWO WEEKS in!
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:38:54pm |
re: #476 albusteve I'll be sitting here on the computer waiting for you dear!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:39:05pm |
re: #429 bellamags
i think either way he's screwed. the money isn't going to directly affect many people soon enough. the morons who voted for him don't have the mental capacity to understand. they are the same people who don't understand the time it will take to win the war on terror.
{Bella} Hope today finds you well..
Well the Dems always say they can really run the economy..just frigging geniuses at the market...I reserve judgment for about 100 days..
That's where the books get written..that is where history lays it's tracks..
It's either a new world or Carter II.
/ The Lizards next book..
We include the best posts of the next 88 days or so...Cause you know this is going to be a wild ride..You buy it as a gift for friends, family and more importantly..For history...Should be great..And as usual half the donations go to the tip jar and the rest to a worthy Charity..
Lakers/Celtic game is good so far..
| 490 |
golly_wog Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:39:17pm |
My television has never been in such danger. $(^$%)&^_&+*&
| 491 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:39:21pm |
re: #413 Charles
Ugh.
Rick Perry is the one who appointed young earth creationist Don McLeroy to the Texas State Board of Education. He's in the pocket of the Discovery Institute and the religious far-right.
And Sarah Palin is endorsing him. Isn't that lovely.
Perry is a pusillanimous putz.
/and I'm a Texan
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:39:23pm |
re: #469 screaming_eagle
I figured 2 years. Not 2 weeks.
I always take people at their word until they do something to prove themselves differently.
Obama is right on schedule. Of course, you had to be listening to him to start with to know what he was saying. Most people didn't, they just voted for him, partly because he wasn't Bush and partly because he was part black.
| 493 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:39:24pm |
re: #472 ArmyWife
threatening us again with impending doom?
It's worked so well for the Gore-bull warming crowd, why not?
| 494 |
Sheepdogess Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:39:34pm |
He's talking.....
"I want to acknowledge the great speaker of the house, she's been a rock, a great leader".
Oh shit.
This guy is the new America?
His staff is worn out?
I'm speechless.
WAFM
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kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:39:47pm |
2 weeks, ruinous pork bill, daily hysterical statements stating no pork, we all die. Then drop charges against terrorists. Getting worse every day.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:39:48pm |
re: #481 brookly red
It's not bating, hommie it's a question... I kinda like grassfire, do they have any questionable associations?
I don't know anything about them.
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JCM Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:40:10pm |
re: #484 lobo91
Hell, according to Avanti (and Kos), he already IS governing from the center.
The center of the ditch off the left side of the road, maybe...
If the this is the center, what does moderate left look like....
What does Marxism look like?
| 498 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:40:24pm |
It's the responsible thing to waste hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars (that don't even exist yet)! THERE IS NO OTHER WAY!
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:40:47pm |
re: #496 Charles
I don't know anything about them.
I thought you Californians got grassfires all the time?
| 501 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:41:07pm |
re: #488 UberInfidel67
I'll be sitting here on the computer waiting for you dear!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Cruella is that you?
| 502 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:41:13pm |
Oh boy, Obummer's on the TV again bad mouthing the economy for at least the third time today!
/what a dildo!
| 503 |
Karagush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:41:14pm |
re: #467 ArmyWife
Smoke has a home here! Perhaps Obama feels I've reached my quota of equines what with my 3 horses, therefore I do not deserve a unicorn. Or I've pissed his team off one too many times and I've got a special identifing mark next to my name!
oh i have four and one a mule so you should get some ass too. its like a law or something ....
I told you my mules name is Cherry Ass? My best friend's is Two Dot.
I think Smoke would love living with you and he's sure more socially appropriate than cherry, and more realistic than a unicorn.
LOLOL
I will keep you updated on if he gets his wish to come to the states.
its gonna hinge on if they can treat him for the pyroplasmosis. Then you get your shot at him.
if he cant pass the test, hes gotta go live in Israel.
I hear the place there is so nice that some donks refuse to leave the sanctuary!
But i bet your house would have more individual attention.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:41:15pm |
re: #482 Occasional Reader
Ah, he wants bipartisanship. Which means, of course, the GOP should do exactly what he says.
F#ck him. The Dems WON. Tell them it's now time to Vote.
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:41:22pm |
Rush Limbaugh calls it the "porkulus" package.
| 507 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:42:06pm |
"This happened only about, uh, two weeks ago" (first announcement of the "package")
Um, Barry, you've only been in office for 17 days. And you're having trouble keeping track?
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:42:09pm |
re: #496 Charles
I don't know anything about them.
Grassfire supported SBVFT, as did I.
They've also supported stuff I didn't like.
I haven't paid any attention to them recently, but past experience was kind of a mixed bag.
| 509 |
NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:42:09pm |
Obama is give a live news briefing to tell us that we've got to get this stimilus bill passed yesterday, that it is, in effect, irresponsible for us not to do it NOW. Grrr...
Time for a new thread?
| 510 |
Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:42:34pm |
re: #434 Charles
FAIR, CIS and NumbersUSA are all part of a network of restrictionist organizations conceived and created by John Tanton, the "puppeteer" of the nativist movement and a man with deep racist roots. As the first article in this report shows, Tanton has for decades been at the heart of the white nationalist scene.
This Tanton fellow sounds to me like he's aspiring to be a nativist version of George Soros.
(Drive-by post, dinner time...)
| 511 |
DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:42:48pm |
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:42:49pm |
"When was the last time you saw a bill thi size without earmarks?"
Umm...what the hell is left to attach to it as an earmark?
| 514 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:43:24pm |
One of the worst elements of this spending spree:
REWARDING STATE IRRESPONSIBILITY
One of the ugliest aspects of the stimulus package is a bailout for spendthrift state legislatures. Remember the old fable about the ant and the grasshopper? In Aesop’s version, the happy-go-lucky grasshopper realizes the error of his ways when winter comes and he goes hungry while the industrious ant lives on his stores. In Obama’s version, the federal government levies a tax on the ant and redistributes his wealth to the party-hearty grasshopper, who just happens to belong to a government-employees’ union. This happens through something called the “State Fiscal Stabilization Fund,” by which taxpayers in the states that have exercised financial discipline are raided to subsidize Democratic-leaning Electoral College powerhouses—e.g., California—that have spent their way into big trouble.
REWARDING STATE IRRESPONSIBILITY
...
REWARDING IRRESPONSIBILITY
...
IRRESPONSIBILITY
...
IRE
| 515 |
NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:43:24pm |
PIMF: givING a live news briefing.
And he thinks he's a stand-up comedian. :-%P%
| 517 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:44:03pm |
re: #441 Walter L. Newton
O'Reilly on the radio saying he still thinks Obama wants to do what is right for the people.
And he just had Bob Beckel on. Boy, it was hard to figure out who was doing the screwing and who was getting screwed.
Tools.
I have to admit that I was surprised O'Reilly seems charmed by Obama.
| 518 |
HippieforLife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:44:17pm |
He's just a peach. He is weeping about poor,poor people being out of work, etc. And right after than he bashes cable news as "cable chatter".
Maybe he didn't realize that MSNBC still has their lips tightly affixed to his ass? Does he want these cable employees to lose their jobs because he does not "welcome dissent"?
| 519 |
NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:44:33pm |
Thank you Charles for the new thread. Going there now...
| 520 |
godfrey Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:44:49pm |
Economic equivalent of the Big Lie.
O knows he has political capital and D control. Now's the time to hit GOP and free market hardest.
| 521 |
SFGoth Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:45:04pm |
re: #517 avanti
I have to admit that I was surprised O'Reilly seems charmed by Obama.
O'Reilly's as big a pompous fake as Obama.
| 522 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:45:48pm |
| 523 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:46:30pm |
re: #497 JCM
If the this is the center, what does moderate left look like....
What does Marxism look like?
Your center is to the right of mine.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:49:31pm |
re: #521 SFGoth
O'Reilly's as big a pompous fake as Obama.
I knew there had to be a reason I was sort of fond of him, although our politics are quite different. It's Hannidy that drives me nuts.
| 527 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:50:19pm |
I am listening to the strident rhetoric of president Obama. "We are going to have to do great things". Think a minute on that kind of remark. Think a minute on where this is all going.
Stand up and salute America!
/if you know what's good for you...
| 528 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:14pm |
| 529 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:55pm |
re: #454 Racer X
Did anyone, in your wildest dreams, think Obama would rush to Socialism THIS fast?
This is where the term "the hustle" originated. (no, no not the dance craze. shut up)
This is the time during a scam that the mark is kept busy with trying to keep track of stuff that has no bearing on the important thing -- the money. He's bombarded with rapid fire frantic speech and confusing directions sometimes even physically pushed along/around. All the while the actual money is being switched out for bad or hidden and a container that is supposed to have the cash in it is produced. In magic it's called "patter" this is where the performer chats up the audience, makes them laugh, directs their attention elsewhere while the target object is palmed or hidden. Then after a whirlwind of action and talk all of a sudden the deed is done and the mark is standing there with an empty wallet/envelope/handkerchief and the "players" have all disappeared.
This is what the Osshole is doing now. Get the stuff out there now while the media is still in love with him (you remember the beginning of a love affair? When you do anything and overlook anything for the object of your affection.) and isn't asking the right questions cause THEY WANT TO BELIEVE but deep down they know he's going to break their hearts.
His goal is to get the money approved NOW then deal with the fallout later when it's too late to stop.
| 530 |
TedStriker Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:52:10pm |
re: #293 Charles
These people are complete morons. It's not even that the fascists will turn on them -- they will, of course -- but they're turning themselves into something no decent person will want to be associated with. They think they're making alliances of necessity, when what they're really doing is turning the so-called 'anti-jihad movement' into a laughable, racist pile of shit.
I'm utterly disgusted with all of them.
As much as your analysis of what's become of the anti-jihadist blogosphere as of late saddens me, I'm with you...and I'll take it further: F**k them!
If they want to be f**king blind and stupid (or worse, willing and able) enough to side with neo-Nazi and white nationalist thugs under the aegis of fighting Islamism, then we just have to be louder and stronger in presenting our belief that we don't need to sell our souls by joining with fascists to fight (ever-encroaching) Islamism.
/don't let the bastards win...
| 531 |
Sheepdogess Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:53:42pm |
re: #441 Walter L. Newton
Billy O'Reilly - yetzer hatov/yetzer hara
| 532 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:53:52pm |
re: #512 lobo91
"When was the last time you saw a bill thi size without earmarks?"
Umm...what the hell is left to attach to it as an earmark?
THIS BILL IS ONE BIG EARMARK.
| 533 |
TedStriker Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:57:11pm |
re: #443 Occasional Reader
Howdy.
On the thread topic, Taranto noted today:
So Obama himself admits that the "stimulus" package is a giant liberal agenda boondoggle. But, you know, if we don't do exactly what he says, when he says it, we'll be in a permanent Depression, forever and ever, amen.
Which would suit Dear Leader fine, since it would virtually ensure perpetual Democratic rule for as far as the eye can see...
| 534 |
Miss Molly Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:58pm |
The Dems can pass this package in 2 minutes if they want to but they are afraid of the backlash when it doesn't work and they need a gazillion more dollars to make up for their mistakes -- not to mention they would have to take the blame for failure.
Obama seems to have lost his cool over the Republicans talking back. Apparently they didn't get the memo that he is "the One" and the Republicans and some Democrats aren't doing what he told them to do. And, of course there is always the lack of support for this package. I think I heard that Obama's package has only 37% support now -- something in the 30's-- and people just aren't doing what he tells them. I wonder if he has figured out he is in way over his head.
| 535 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:01:46pm |
| 537 |
Miss Molly Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:05:09pm |
bellamags -- I so fear you are right that Obama is a puppet. Just who is running this guy?
| 538 |
iLikeCandy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:11:29pm |
I haven't kept up on Rick Perry. Does he do silly things besides promote Creationists?
| 541 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:21:19pm |
re: #538 iLikeCandy
He's been down to the border for a posing session, to tell us how strong he is against illegal entry.
Oh, and he gets regular haircuts.
| 542 |
Throbert McGee Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:22:48pm |
re: #68 wrenchwench
We do not agree with the BNP’s opposition to interracial marriage, but it is hard to condemn the BNP while many Jews oppose intermarriage with Gentiles
Disgusting.
The above is not only disgusting, but idiotic. Jews who oppose intermarriage with Gentiles do so on the same grounds that (for example) devoutly Christian parents would be upset if one of their kids married an atheist -- they worry that the grandchildren will be raised in a watered-down version of their religious culture, not that the bloodline will be either diluted or polluted.
Dare I say that Israpundit needs to pull his yiddish kop out of his tuchus?
| 543 |
nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:30:09pm |
the dems had what they needed to pass this pork bill.
they came up w/it. they porked it out until it was obscene.
and not wanting to be the only greedy assholes voting for it because of blow back,
O tried to scmooze the republicans to come on board to spread the liability around. now all the facts become known.
i commend the house republicans for voting no.
this is a debacle. that can be placed squarely at the feet of the dems.
pelosi, reid the other greedy bastards. it shows how stupid they are.
and O w/ his sense of entitlement and outrageous expectations.
because he won.
they were only thinking of power for themselves.
and willing to steal from us to get that power.
these libs are a disgrace.
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SFGoth Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:40:47pm |
re: #540 Iron Fist
Lenin, and Stalin who followed him were certainly not anti-Industrialism. Indeed, their goals as Communists were to industrialize the Soviet Union. The means of production were supposed to be Owned by the State, not done away with entirely to satisfy some quixotic anti-Industrial purists.
Russia was an incredibly backwards place at the time of the Russian Revolution. The gap between the well off and the poor masses was a chasm. He was a product of his environment. His changes did really benefit a lot of Russians, although it wasn't too hard to do that given how badly most lived. That said, I do rather enjoy private property and certain trappings of elitism (i.e, ladies in corsets and ballgowns ;-> ).
| 546 |
DrCruel Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:51:34pm |
NOW you have some valid criticism of the Big O and his Left-leaning lieutenants in Congress. Not some silly article about an egg statue, not some innocuous speech on Arab television, but real, documented malfeasance, cronyism and pork-barrel corruption.
THIS is what I was waiting for. So let him have it - and just the facts, ma'am.
| 547 |
notutopia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:54:03pm |
My head spins when I look at the line item allocations of this proposed spending blitz. We will never be able to have an accountable fiscal budget that is not in the red for our great grandchildren's lifetimes. This is so appalling and a direct slap in the face and pocketbook of each and every citizen that has ever worked and contributed tax paying dollars to this government to manage this country.
I am so ANGRY at this 111th Congress and at the POTUS and his "expert" finance committees. They are NOT representing us, the majority, any longer. They will not be able to print new fiat money fast enough to meet the oncoming inflation as a result of this ludicrous porkfest spending. This is a travesty to us and our country, and will cause the devaluation of our US dollar both here and abroad.
| 548 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:19:34pm |
re: #4 BignJames
I'm trying not to think.
Take a stab at becoming a Congressmanperson, Senator or President. If you quit thinking completely, go for all three.
| 550 |
Throbert McGee Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:50:28pm |
re: #542 Throbert McGee
The above is not only disgusting, but idiotic. Jews who oppose intermarriage with Gentiles do so on the same grounds that (for example) devoutly Christian parents would be upset if one of their kids married an atheist -- they worry that the grandchildren will be raised in a watered-down version of their religious culture, not that the bloodline will be either diluted or polluted.
Dare I say that Israpundit needs to pull his yiddish kop out of his tuchus?
I just registered on Israpundit so that I could re-post the above there -- with the added reminder that "your White card is revocable." I hope it sinks in.
By the way, does anyone know how to spell yiddishe kopf in actual Yiddish? I'm thinking יידש קאפ, but I could be wrong.
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Namath Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:07:09pm |
This bill is completely irresponsible. I'm going to Home Depot to buy the wheel barrel I'll need to transport the cash to buy a loaf of bread in a few years. U.S.A. - Home of the Mediocre.
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mattm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:26:28pm |
Hey, where is the bailout of all the people who will need to replace Pro Audio equipment because the DTV translation ate up the frequencies used with wireless mics?
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Ann Nonymous Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:39:36pm |
What I find almost as scary is the paid advertising on behalf of the hopey-changey types around here, trying to beat the masses into submission. It's on the radio, it's on TV...call senator X and beg them to vote for the bill or God help you. Propoganda at its worst.
On the plus side, maybe people are starting to get their eyes pried open about the new prez.
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Promethea Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:19:15pm |
re: #98 Salem
The Democrats and media just about have the population conditioned to shrug even a betrayal of this magnitude off. We'll see...
Most younger people today have no idea what is wrong with socialism. "Sharing the wealth" always sounds like a good idea to people who want to be kind to the less fortunate. The problem with socialism, however, is that it destroys the conditions that lead to the expansion of wealth--i.e. Americans are wealthier than many other people because we (1) don't have feudalism and (2) don't have socialims. We have free enterprise.
They don't teach this in American schools.
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2by2 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:21:25pm |
re: #51 HelloDare
Night Lizards, I'm late for the party and I certainly agree with most of the sentiment about this bill. What pisses me off though is that an increase of $ 50 million for the endowments of the arts is on top of the list of "wasteful spending"
This is a great nation, and I joined it voluntarily, not to take part of government programs (coming from Germany, I do know a lot about those) but to chase and fulfill my dreams.
That said, the USA is one of the few countries in the world not to have a cabinet post for culture/arts. Looking at history, and art history of the past century in particular, let me tell you all that the US would not have any leading artist to speak of today without the pre and wartime government programs which employed artists like Pollock, de Kooning, Rothko, Gorky and hundreds of others to create public art during the most difficult economic times.
This was the incubator for the leading position of US artists in the post war world, without these programs the US would not have a fine art legacy of the 20th century.
Compared to $4.2 billion for “neighborhood stabilization activities” a pale 50 million increase for the endowment for the arts should not even be on that list.
Uhm, and yes a world leading country of the magnitude of the USA should have a cabinet post for culture/arts.
We have to understand that art is not a business and it needs patrons, private and public.
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Optimizer Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:03:10pm |
re: #555 2by2
If I don't want to pay for it at a galley, why would I want to pay for it via my taxes? More importantly, why should I be forced to pay for it? If it's so valuable, why wouldn't anybody want to pay for it in a free market? The answer is that art IS a business, and people DO pay for it in a free market.
As to a cabinet position, in a free society you don't have a person in charge of "culture".
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tradewind Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:24:18pm |
I'm sorry, but I just can not understand why the insensitive Republicans in Congress can't comprehend the economy-stimulating value of a taxpayer-funded, say, butterfly garden for Boynton Beach .
Oh wait, they do.
Well, that shouldn't matter. Give The One what he wants. After all, he 's the wind beneath our wings.
/snort/.
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2by2 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:40:11pm |
re: #556 Optimizer
What about looking at it in a Museum?
Aren't you benefiting from the generosity of others?
Don't worry your taxes are being used to bail out City and GM, and not for buying art.
And yep in a free society we have a cabinet position for business, don't we?
What is it with you that the Endowment for the Arts is enraging you so much?
Culture / Art doesn't matter to you? How about science? Is that a business too?
With your take on things only things you'd like to buy have a right to exist?
That's a bleak world you're living in. Go pay for some more Super Bowl ads, that's the culture you deserve.
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Throbert McGee Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:19:38pm |
re: #550 Throbert McGee
I just registered on Israpundit so that I could re-post the above there -- with the added reminder that "your White card is revocable." I hope it sinks in.
Well, I posted it, and got a response from Israpundit author Bill Levinson:
The BNP seems to be about ready to come around to our way of thinking, i.e. your behavior and not your skin color is what defines you. Once they do that, we can stand with them side by side against the REAL enemy of all Civilization.
Best bring a book and a couple of granola bars, in case there's a long wait...
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wiffersnapper Fri, Feb 6, 2009 12:09:11am |
And to think we could have had McCain instead. He would have been a friggin blessing by now.
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JAT Fri, Feb 6, 2009 3:44:16am |
What does this stimulate?
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
$380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program
$300 million for grants to combat violence against women
$2 billion for federal child-care block grants
$6 billion for university building projects
$15 billion for boosting Pell Grant college scholarships
$4 billion for job-training programs, including $1.2 billion for “youths” up to the age of 24
$1 billion for community-development block grants
$4.2 billion for “neighborhood stabilization activities”
$650 million for digital-TV coupons; $90 million to educate “vulnerable populations”
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azul93gt Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:26:47am |
There are still people running around faulting the former Republican Congress for "out of control spending." I hope that they're happy now.
re: #20 jwb7605
"Since the first "bailout" left 80 billion untraceable dollars, imagine the results of trying to trace $15 billion expansion of the Pell Grant program, $380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program, $300 million for grants to combat violence against women, $2 billion for federal child-care block grants and so on, and so on, ad nauseum."
All of these beneficiaries of Democrat largesse are essentially just sub-branches of the Democrat party, who will funnel the money back into the Democrat war chest(s) so they're basically giving the money to themselves.
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azul93gt Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:34:17am |
2by2,
Gotta love your libz. The NEA is now the sole distributor of art?
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Ron Shaw Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:48:24am |
When the trillion plus package passes, look for the Ali Baba Barrack and his den of Dem thieves to 'suddenly' decide we have to abandon any and all military actions remotely involved with a war that now does not exist. The war on terror is dead, folks. Our terrorist enemies 'won' the election as well. Look for OBL and other such PBUH thugs to drive the message-of-defeat home and this time it will not be hyperbole, not in the least. Truth!
Look for: our military budget to be decimated, weapons technology buried in rust, scrapped like an unsalvageable Edsel, the CIA soon to stand for Cannot Investigate Anything, a rising army of government-run community organizers to surpass our dwindling military numbers, all taxes will by necessity have to be increased in Democrat theory to pay for 'the plan', America will play a similar swan-dive role as the one seen with the 'death' of the USSR, we are next and our POTUS is leading the charge with the help of anti-American pundits from here and abroad, watch for our Europeanization in a disturbing accelerated fashion from the top down, we will become even more dependent on foreign oil, monetary resources will be further depleted once we join Kyoto Agreement, look for China and North Korea to flex like not seen since the Korean War, nuclear weapons will become commonplace with our Middleast enemies, the global warming hoax will cost us, our children and our grandchildren billions upon billions of dollars despite all evidence to the GW contrary, our national security will be deferred to the UN, perpetual lease potential of Guantanamo Bay will be ended by a Castro-swooning Obama, we will become a socialist country...on and on.
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RickatLandstuhl Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:52:00am |
re: #58 seekeroftruth
I thought the Left needs 25 million or so new smokers to pay for SCHIP?!?!?
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RickatLandstuhl Fri, Feb 6, 2009 8:40:10am |
re: #82 HelloDare
Since, ol' Barney is one reason WHY this debacle occured in the first place, how about we restrict him? How about a frog march with his buddy Chris (I never saw a deal I didn't like) Dodd? JEEZ, these 2 piss me OFF!
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RickatLandstuhl Fri, Feb 6, 2009 8:54:23am |
re: #122 ArmyWife
And what, explain it? I do like the idea, though...can you just imagine Barney or Harry or Nan or even the almighty himself with an easel at the dais with a laser pointer going line by line? I would love it, but alas, they don't ask me.
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odorlesspaintthinner Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:38:38am |
The best word I can think to describe this is shameless. Obama has squandered whatever credibility he may have had for this one big fat payday for all his own special interests. Politics = Power to spend $. We knew that before, Obama told us to have hope and he would change it, and he goes ahead and proves it all over again.
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