Yes

Ah no s**t Sherlock.

Yes.

bingo!

Foisting a dependency mentality on people is anything but helpful to a society. It's evil.

Jizzya.

Yes. And the Democrats have decided it makes for an economic model that they want to follow.

Pulling 31% of UNRWA funding would be a good start.

Monkey see, monkey do. The American people are are about to be put in a perpetual state of welfare by this porkulus bill.

re: #6 Kosh's Shadow

Jizzya.

And as the Barbary wars and ones past that demonstrate, if you pay the Jizya long enough you buy your opponents more military capability to demand more jizya. Europe was supplying war ships to the pirates...

Paying history's perennial losers to have more kids. What could possibly go wrong?

that was an excellent article.

Maybe the Palis should stop reading that violent book called the Koran and learn to love their neighbor. That may end the warfare.

Well-written and brilliantly insightful.

And as a side note, I make a hell of a lot of money, by comparison to what the average inhabitant of the world makes, and I do not believe that I could adequately support eight children. I would stop before I got to eight. And if I didn't stop, I would not demand that people in other countries be forced to pay for them.

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

(U.S. portion, 31%) I think the Euros would follow suit if we ended the funding.

I just walked through Washington Square Park and about 30 NYU students were holding some sort of Palestinian rally. They kept shouting about ending the occupation and I saw some 'Jews for a free Palestine' signs. They were chanting the same phrase over and over and kind of angrily.

re: #17 Sizzlack

I just walked through Washington Square Park and about 30 NYU students were holding some sort of Palestinian rally. They kept shouting about ending the occupation and I saw some 'Jews for a free Palestine' signs. They were chanting the same phrase over and over and kind of angrily.

Deluded fools. Takes a lot of college to get that dumb.

Why else would the United Nations have supported "refugee" camps in Palestine for sixty plus years without moving the "refugees" into permanent citizenship status, say, in Jordan, other than to keep the wounds festering?

re: #7 karmic_inquisitor

Yes. And the Democrats have decided it makes for an economic model that they want to follow.

Does this mean welfare recipients will have to lob rockets at Jews to get their money?
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re: #17 Sizzlack

I just walked through Washington Square Park and about 30 NYU students were holding some sort of Palestinian rally. They kept shouting about ending the occupation and I saw some 'Jews for a free Palestine' signs. They were chanting the same phrase over and over and kind of angrily.

Freak, freak, full of slime!

Get those Palistinians off of the dole & driving cabs in New York as nature intended.

re: #17 Sizzlack

What a lovely scene that must have been.

Well, part of Palestine has already been free for years. The part that's in Israel.

Tribalism is hard upon us.

No longer a self-governing people, we are all now at the mercy of the big chief.

One note on the demographics of this that the author leads off with: Those are improving in most every Islamic country except Afghanistan, Yemen, WB, and Gaza.

Gapminder

Excellent article. Thanks, Chalres.

chop...

In Gaza, however, there has been no demographic disarmament. The average woman still bears six babies. For every 1,000 men aged 40-44, there are 4,300 boys aged 0-4 years. In the U.S. the latter figure is 1,000, and in the U.K. it's only 670.

...

The reason for Gaza's endless youth bulge is that a large majority of its population does not have to provide for its offspring. Most babies are fed, clothed, vaccinated and educated by UNRWA, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East. Unlike the U.N. High Commission for Refugees, which deals with the rest of the world's refugees and aims to settle them in their respective host countries, UNRWA perpetuates the Palestinian problem by classifying as refugees not only those who originally fled their homes, but all of their descendents as well.

UNRWA is benevolently funded by the U.S. (31%) and the European Union (nearly 50%) -- only 7% of the funds come from Muslim sources. Thanks to the West's largesse, nearly the entire population of Gaza lives in a kind of lowly but regularly paid dependence. One result of this unlimited welfare is an endless population boom. Between 1950 and 2008, Gaza's population has grown from 240,000 to 1.5 million. The West basically created a new Near Eastern people in Gaza that at current trends will reach three million in 2040. Within that period, Gazans may alter the justifications and directions of their aggression but are unlikely to stop the aggression itself.

WE help the death cult create more human eternal victim hate machines.

UNRWA is benevolently funded by the U.S. (31%) and the European Union (nearly 50%) --

I wonder how many Palestinians consider this jizya, and expect it.

re: #28 FrogMarch

Excellent article. Thanks, Chalres.

chop...

WE help the death cult create more human eternal victim hate machines.

I might add that ISRAEL pays there bills as well. Don't forget that.
Palis have NEVER paid for electricity.

This is an excellent topic. It actually dovetails well with the idea of just throwing money at a problem will not make it go away.

Obviously antithetical to liberal rationale.

re: #24 opnion

Get those Palistinians off of the dole & driving cabs in New York as nature intended.

Actually, Obama is spending $20 million to do just that. Now you'll be able to buy bombs to be detonated in Israeli kindergartens just by increasing the tip on your taxi fare. No need for all this complicated taxpayer funding of UNRWA anymore.

re: #26 unreconstructed rebel

Tribalism is hard upon us.

No longer a self-governing people, we are all now at the mercy of the big chief.

Iowahawk found an old Iroquois saying that fits:

"Give a man a fish, he will eat today. Promise a man a million fish, he will contribute heap big wampum to your tribal election campaign fund."

It Takes a Proverb to Run a Village

Its a real slap in the fact during economic times like this to be giving any money to them or any other state or nation.

re: #18 ploome hineni

Is there a bigger left wing hack than Bill Moyers? I don't know of one.

UNRWA perpetuates the Palestinian problem by classifying as refugees not only those who originally fled their homes, but all of their descendents as well.

Anchor babies, anchor society.

OPPS! Slap in the face.

Tzipi Livini according to todays Chicago Tribune is now running a "Femeinist" campaign to try to overtake BiBi.
I would be afraid that if she does succeed, that there will be endless negotiations with Hamas & more Israelis dying.

It absolutely is subsidizing the Gaza/West Bank mess because UNRWA has absolutely no incentive to stop providing its services. It's a growth industry (despite the shrill hysterics claiming Israel engages in genocide); the UNRWA definition of refugee is so expansive as to be worthless - anyone who is a descendant of the original refugees is treated as a refugee.

No other refugee class in the world gets that treatment. The UNHCR deals with refugee crises the world over at a fraction of the cost of UNRWA and resettles millions without endless war and violence among the participants. UNRWA relies on local Gazans and West Bank Arabs and who are often terrorists themselves (no way to do background checks to see whether they're Hamas or Fatah terror thugs).

So, it is as a result of the Western idea of humanitarian aid that we're exacerbating the crisis because the Palestinians do not take responsibility for their own well being and instead find reason to blame everyone else - Israel the most common, but the US, West, fellow Arabs, etc. for the plight. They ignore that Hamas is at war with Israel and started the most recent conflict because it cannot help itself from firing thousands of kassams at Israel. Did they not expect Israel to one day decide enough was enough and strike back?

re: #28 FrogMarch

The reason for Gaza's endless youth bulge is that a large majority of its population does not have to provide for its offspring.

Cannon Fodder.

re: #27 Thanos

One note on the demographics of this that the author leads off with: Those are improving in most every Islamic country except Afghanistan, Yemen, WB, and Gaza.

Gapminder

Fascinating. Big upding for that one.

Thanks to the West's largesse, nearly the entire population of Gaza lives in a kind of lowly but regularly paid dependence.

Utopia! Maybe the democrats can do the same thing here - in the US.

Ideally, we would cut all aid until the Paliterrorists threw out Hamas and Fatah, and accepted Israel's right to exist.
But given that isn't likely, I suggested that all aid to the Paliterrorists be subject to transfer to Israel for every attack on Israel.
That is, the Israelis would get compensation FROM THE AID TO GAZA AND THE WEST BANK for every attack.
I doubt this will happen either.

re: #20 quickjustice

Why else would the United Nations have supported "refugee" camps in Palestine for sixty plus years without moving the "refugees" into permanent citizenship status, say, in Jordan, other than to keep the wounds festering?

Well, there's the minor problem that Jordan won't give them citizenship.

/sort of

OT real quick(maybe Charles will have a hopen tread)

President Obama is having a town hall meeting(still in campaign mode) and was asked a question by a man that is about legislature that gives him more money for installing solar panels on his house.

Well,Obama said in a nutshell,we need to be like CA to become energy independent.

you know,the state that needs a bailout because its run by idiots.

36 bulwrk-
re: #18 ploome hineni
Is there a bigger left wing hack than Bill Moyers? I don't know of one.

I dunno, that is one pretty gigantic list to say whose the biggest. LOL

re: #47 RockmanVermont

OT real quick(maybe Charles will have a hopen tread)

President Obama is having a town hall meeting(still in campaign mode) and was asked a question by a man that is about legislature that gives him more money for installing solar panels on his house.

Well,Obama said in a nutshell,we need to be like CA to become energy independent.

you know,the state that needs a bailout because its run by idiots.

Where the hell did Obama get the idea that California is energy independent?

re: #22 Alouette

Freak, freak, full of slime!

I believe their chant was 'Free Free Palestine, Occupation is a Crime'. Musta taken all 30 of em to come up with that one. What freaked me out was how forcefully they were chanting it.

re: #33 Last Mohican

Actually, Obama is spending $20 million to do just that. Now you'll be able to buy bombs to be detonated in Israeli kindergartens just by increasing the tip on your taxi fare. No need for all this complicated taxpayer funding of UNRWA anymore.

Actually, they'll start detonating bombs in NYC kindergartens.
See, this is the 0ne's carrot to Iran. By bringing the terrorists here, Iran won't need a long-range missile to attack us.
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OK, I have to get dressed and get out of here, but let me throw this out to you all:

The article ends with suggesting that the West offer emigration as an option to Gaza's young people. What say the lizards?

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Do you think for a minute that Jordan, Egypt and Syria would not have changed their minds if they had been subjected to anything like the international pressures put on Israel?

Quite possibly, but they have not been, and would not/will not be.

I can't tell you what a blue orange would taste like...

On topic,when was the last time a group of people have been welfare recipients from their grandfather to their sons?This is just more of the "victim" status that makes entire populations dependent on the charity of the world to the point that it is not only wanted,it is expected.Palistinians EXPECT the United Nations(mostly funded by us) to give them money each and everytime they want it.(something like 1.8 billion last year)

We're not in Kansas anymore.

The "Palestinians" are a catharsis for the West.

They are a make believe distinct people with a very distinct purpose.

They turn the Arab-Islamic/Israeli conflict -where Israel is the overwhelmed underdog- into the Israeli/Palestinian conflict where Israel becomes the bully... and they make anti Semitism acceptable.

To put the point of the article crudely:

When young men see that they have little chance of getting a virgin in this world, the thought of 72 in the next world seems a lot more attractive.

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Saudi Arabia, Dubai and other gulf states need workers, and are importing them from farther away than Gaza; maybe those nations should be encouraged to allow Gaza's young people to come there.

re: #58 buzzsawmonkey

It's not too late.

Seriously, the best possible plan I can come up with at this point is that Egypt takes Gaza back, in exchange for continuing to be on Uncle Sam's foreign aid 'nice' list, and Jordan and Israel divide up the West Bank between them, fair's fair, no whining, and everyone's folks on the wrong side of the line have to move or deal with their new citizenship.

But I do not see it happening, in part because I do not see the will from the international community, or the 'Ummah'. Most players in this game want the Palestinians to go on sitting in no man's land, seething.

That the question even needs asking testifies to the deep ignorance in the West about the "refugee" doctrine. One standard for Palestinians, another for everybody else. Are there any refugees left over from the mass displacements after WWII? I didn't think so.

UNRWA perpetuates a situation that anywhere else in the world would long since have been resolved by assimilation, emigration, naturalization and the like.

It is time to pull the plug on UNRWA.

"Palestinians" don't need no stimulus package. They just need war.

Arabs make war on Israel. Israel destroys some Arab property. World rushes in $Billions for urban renewal and to replenish Swiss bank accounts.

Repeat as necessary.

The palestinians are being artificially sustained by the naive west, which in turn only churns out more terrorists in the long run. Frankly, I don't feel all that sorry for a population that is economically poor (due to their own war mongering and total lack of responsibility) and a population where each woman spits out six babies and much of their meager resources goes towards perpetuating violence. How about sending them some condoms? Or perhaps the palestinians should implement laws such as they have in China, allowing only one child per family. The miserable situation and the miserable society that the palestinians have created is solely their own doing. All aid should be cut off in my opinion, they shouldn't get a cent from the west. Let the hateful arab and muslim world sustain them, if that's what they wish.

re: #67 mad mullah

The palestinians are being artificially sustained by the naive west, which in turn only churns out more terrorists in the long run. Frankly, I don't feel all that sorry for a population that is economically poor (due to their own war mongering and total lack of responsibility) and a population where each woman spits out six babies and much of their meager resources goes towards perpetuating violence. How about sending them some condoms? Or perhaps the palestinians should implement laws such as they have in China, allowing only one child per family. The miserable situation and the miserable society that the palestinians have created is solely their own doing. All aid should be cut off in my opinion, they shouldn't get a cent from the west. Let the hateful arab and muslim world sustain them, if that's what they wish.

If they had only one child per family, they'd run out of ammo too fast.

The Palestinians scream about respect but do nothing to get off the dole. The gift of alms always comes attached with the purse strings of pity. The Palestinians get the respect due to perennial welfare slackers.

Its clearly true, though its nice for people to start actually talking about this.

The Palestinian terrorities, and in particular the no-longer-occupied Gaza exist mostly on foreign handouts, which like most of these programs is gobbled up by corrupt leadership, acting to perpetuate the bad leaders.

One egregious example is the hundreds of millions of dollars salted away in Swiss bank accounts by Yassir Arafat. Most of his power came from this money. The guy died literally one of the world's wealthiest men entirely on the strength of money he embezzled or extracted from his "people".

And, drum roll, please, the answer as to why the UN has maintained its presence and influence for all these years:

Many of Gaza's young -- like in much of the Muslim world -- dream of leaving anyway. Who would not want to get out of that strip of land but the international NGOs and social workers whose careers depend on perpetuating Gaza's misery?

Where are their "muslim brethren" when it comes to financially supporting their bullshit? I am sick of my tax dollars being used to bankrole these terrorist whiners. I'm sick of the mainstream media allowing itself to be used as tools by these jackasses. I say pull ALL aid money out of Gaza except for what their "muslim brethren" give them and see how far they get with that. Nobody wants the fake refugees. Not the Jordanians, not the Lebanese, and definitely not the Fraudis. It makes me wonder why... NOT!

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I have to get dressed and get out of here, but let me throw this out to you all:

The article ends with suggesting that the West offer emigration as an option to Gaza's young people. What say the lizards?

Absolutely not! I don't want to have to wonder if this morning is the morning I stick my key in the ignition and my car explodes into a million pieces.

Despite the media's obsession with the Mideast conflict, it has cost many fewer lives than the youth bulges in West Africa, Lebanon or Algeria. In the six decades since Israel's founding, "only" some 62,000 people (40,000 Arabs, 22,000 Jews) have been killed in all the Israeli-Arab wars and Palestinian terror attacks. During that same time, some 11 million Muslims have been killed in wars and terror attacks -- mostly at the hands of other Muslims.

Daniel Pipes covered that fact a couple of years back.

If only more people were aware of these genuine statistics.

re: #73 solomonpanting

It's not just the international NGO's and 'social workers' who are perpetuating the misery - it's still fundamentally being done by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon with the primary intent of providing a misdirection of focus away from the corruption and inefficiencies in the government of those countries.

This provides the entry point for the islamic fanactics who draw upon this misery by blaming the problems on the lack of faith and belief in Islam. They are told that only by being more faithful to Islam - and willing to participate in jihad and re-establishing the caliphate - can they escape their misery. So, they are taught hate on earth and promised paradise in death...while their leaders reap the wealth gained from the fight...and useful idiots enabling this via a naive attempt to halt the misery. (The leadership in the region doesn't want the misery to end - they have to use and leverage it.)

Hey, what are they getting in the stimulus package?

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re: #79 Ward Cleaver

Hey, what are they getting in the stimulus package?

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13 packages of Ramen, a fleece jacket from WalMart and 21 Christmas ornaments from a garage sale, nu?

When Couric asked Palin what newspapers she reads she should've responded "The WSJ".
Israel needs to tell them if you want aid then leave no coming back to gaza.

Yeah, but here's the problem: population control via birth control is antithetical to the muslim people in general. They're not going for it.

re: #82 ploome hineni

MALDEF. The Mexican's version of CAIR.

Foreign aid doesn't work, never has. Historically it has shown to just exacerbate a people's condition by never allowing the situation to develop where people have to take the reigns and start doing for themselves.

Teach to plant, fish, reconstruct, to become self-sufficient. These concepts have all but disappeared it seems. Look at Africa. Perfect example of foreign aid being sent, taken by the government, contributed to the rise of tyrannical dictatorship, decline and eventual dissolution of local production of goods and services.

As a country, the US has got to stop being so "generous". All we're doing is making the situation worse.

re: #82 ploome hineni

..crap, American style

how can they do this?

Greedy lawyers.

re: #8 jaunte

Pulling 31% of UNRWA funding would be a good start.

Yet another reason to boot the UN. They are worthless except to promote anti-US and anti-Israel causes. Pack them up and move the HQ to Gaza... then they can get a real close look at what they are funding.

re: #13 Big Steve

that was an excellent article.

Agreed. Heinsohn is an impressive scholar and darn good writer.

re: #39 ploome hineni

and a very unPC position

I have been on events and heard Heinsohn speak there, and judging from some of the Hecklers that would show up, you are right on the money. This man was actually called racist because he advocated people stopping to breed themselves into chaos and despair.

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

the author still does not GET IT

still does not want to understand the struggle is islamic based and as far as muslims are concerned, existential

the probem is islam

If the problem is violence acted out by Palestinians, then at its core is not Islam but the fact that palestinian parents can waste several sons in their retarded war against Israel and will do so because they are not forced to find civic and peaceful use for them in their own society. It's a perpetual War of Attrition and for that state of despair and violence to continue it does not matter whether it is justified or glorified by radical Islam or any other run-off-the-mill ideology with contempt for human life.

i realize that it is not too popular too bring in the Bible amongst civilized folk these days, but one can only understand the situation re Israel in light of it. And it clearly states that there will come a day when 'the nations' will seek to wrest Israel/Jerusalem away from its rightful owners.

And now (and for the last few decades) we are seeing the Plan unful before our very eyes. To paraphrase the sentiments of the Bible:
"Have courage, you men of Israel and you worm, Jacob: For I will fight for My People as in the day that fought for them when I took them out of Egypt with an outstretched arm and a mighty hand in the sight of all the nations. and the nations shall glory in you and you shall never more be ashamed. I the L-rd will hasten it in its time.

Ploome: In answer to your question a few posts back: it's easy! we live in a topsy-turvy world!

That said, I certainly share your sentiments. Perhaps there is a collection to help him in court?