Monday Afternoon Hopin’

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Because I do not hope to turn again
Because I do not hope
Because I do not hope to turn
Desiring this man’s gift and that man’s scope
I no longer strive to strive towards such things
(Why should the aged eagle stretch its wings?)
Why should I mourn
The vanished power of the usual reign?

T. S. Eliot

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1 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:46:59pm
Desiring this man’s gift and that man’s scope

Reminds me of Shakespeare.

2 J.D.  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:47:08pm

Deep.

3 Racer X  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:47:16pm

Give up Hope.

Get a Plan.

4 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:47:27pm

Mac and cheese, MMM!

5 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:47:31pm

Return of the Welfare State. Start Squawking.

6 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:47:53pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries

7 tfc3rid  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:47:56pm

I feel so Hopey and Changey...

GIMME MY STIMULUS CHECK...

8 Kragar  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:48:10pm

I hope Jihadis don't start more fires

9 Cygnus  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:48:26pm

More like Monday Afternoon Copin'.

10 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:48:40pm

Response from a local channel asking what its viewers want for Valentine's Day: "For Valentine's Day, I'd like to see the stimulus bill die like a gangster in a Chicago garage."

11 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:48:42pm
12 tfc3rid  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:48:47pm

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hope Jihadis don't start more fires

Just have a chat with them... They won't.

13 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:48:53pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

That is
Shakespear

14 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:49:18pm

Anagrams:

T. S. Eliot = Toilets

15 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:49:32pm

re: #13 Ojoe

That is
Shakespear

Which is why I was reminded of it.

16 Kragar  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:49:36pm

re: #12 tfc3rid

Just have a chat with them... They won't.

That explains the loud noises

17 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:49:39pm
18 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:50:25pm
19 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:50:30pm

SONET 29, by "Willie the Shake"

When in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes,
I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
And look upon myself and curse my fate,
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
Featured like him, like him with friends possess'd,
Desiring this man's art, and that man's scope,
With what I most enjoy contented least.
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,
Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate;
For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings
That then I scorn to change my state with kings.

20 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:50:43pm
Desiring this man’s gift and that man’s scope

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's mouthwash

21 solomonpanting  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:50:51pm

T. S. Eliot, I'd like you to meet S. O. Teric.

22 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:51:54pm

Joe Biden - a long-haired cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

-Jesse Helms to John Bolton in Surrender is not an option

23 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:51:55pm

re: #19 Ojoe

It's one of my favorites.

Often times, when I'm between books, I go through the Sonnets again.

24 tommygum  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:52:30pm

re: #10 gmsc

Response from a local channel asking what its viewers want for Valentine's Day: "For Valentine's Day, I'd like to see the stimulus bill die like a gangster in a Chicago garage."

John Telafaro Thompson's typewriter, the gift that keeps on giving.

25 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:52:37pm

re: #22 SasquatchOnSteroids

Joe Biden - a long-hairedtailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

-Jesse Helms to John Bolton in Surrender is not an option

Gees, I hate it when they get it wrong

26 Hoffmonster  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:52:42pm

Intaxication Manslaughter is when it just becomes to much!
or would Intaxiification Manslaughter be better?

Yeah I'm little more on the hopin, then chagin side today,

Hfmstr

27 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:52:57pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

You cannot beat Elizabethan English, The King James Bible is written in it too.

28 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:53:06pm

re: #600 jcm

Irritate the squirrel at you own peril...
;-P

...and for those who needed proof of that statement...

29 tommygum  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:53:36pm

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hope Jihadis don't start more fires

It's hard to light a fire with a clenched fist.

30 Killian Bundy  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:53:53pm

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey

Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

You should read them too, it's frightening, the Bonkeys hid the path to socialized medicine inside their 800 page Porkapalooza and thought no one would notice. And it has absolutely nothing to do with "stimulus".

/welcome to Europe, sneaking in on the down low

31 USBeast  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:53:55pm

re: #22 SasquatchOnSteroids

Joe Biden - a long-haired cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

-Jesse Helms to John Bolton in Surrender is not an option

Isn't the expression "long-tailed cat"?

32 Blue Pinky  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:54:47pm

Go, Bibi, go!

33 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:54:55pm

re: #31 USBeast

yes, and I can't ding myself down for it,either.

34 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:55:15pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

It's one of my favorites.

Often times, when I'm between books, I go through the Sonnets again.

re: #27 Ojoe

You cannot beat Elizabethan English, The King James Bible is written in it too.

Of course it is. Shakespeare wrote the King James Bible!

35 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:55:37pm

Sniff Sniff...ahhh!
That new thread smell...
Makes me wanna say...
Boobs
Guns
Beer!
Ahhh!
Speaking of guns,
This H.R. 45 Bill is frightening!

36 jemima  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:55:44pm

re: #10 gmsc

Response from a local channel asking what its viewers want for Valentine's Day: "For Valentine's Day, I'd like to see the stimulus bill die like a gangster in a Chicago garage."

That a beautiful construction! Everything is in there. Valentine's Day massacre. It's like Wretchard speaking.

37 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:56:21pm

Oh, eff us. To put it really simply, read the article re normalized damages in the Rottie's website today. You. Will. Puke...
[Link: nicedoggie.net...]

So, let’s recap…

Total damages from all landfalling US hurricanes from 1900-2005: $1.07-1.09 TRILLION
Total damages from Hurricane Obamessiah hitting the US in 2009: $1.17 TRILLION

38 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:56:26pm

April is the cruelest month.

On the plus side, it's also Charles' birthday.

39 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:56:29pm

There was a young man named Dave,..

40 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:56:45pm

re: #27 Ojoe

Posting Shakespeare's Sonnets is an automatic upding in my book.

41 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:56:49pm

Bye, Lizards!

42 tommygum  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:57:07pm

re: #35 reloadingisnotahobby

Sniff Sniff...ahhh!
That new thread smell...
Makes me wanna say...
Boobs
Guns
Beer!
Ahhh!
Speaking of guns,
This H.R. 45 Bill is frightening!

NY has a couple new ones brewing.

43 USBeast  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:57:12pm

re: #33 SasquatchOnSteroids

yes, and I can't ding myself down for it,either.

No down dings from here, Dude.

44 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:57:28pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

And an easy one.

Back to work for me, er, back to promotion to get work.

45 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:57:33pm

re: #18 taxfreekiller

its back up
[Link: www.nostimulus.com...]

It's back down.

:-(

46 snopercod  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:57:48pm

Is it just me or did a wave of ennui just pass through America?

47 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:58:10pm

re: #38 Occasional Reader

April is the cruelest month.

On the plus side, it's also Charles' birthday.

...and the 45th anniversary of this classic television moment:

48 tommygum  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:58:11pm

...who kept a dead whore in a cave...

49 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:58:18pm

re: #46 snopercod

Is it just me or did a wave of ennui just pass through America?

Who cares?

50 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:58:18pm

re: #30 Killian Bundy

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey

You should read them too, it's frightening, the Bonkeys hid the path to socialized medicine inside their 800 page Porkapalooza and thought no one would notice. And it has absolutely nothing to do with "stimulus".

/welcome to Europe, sneaking in on the down low

There goes the biotech industry and all new pharmaceutical development. New drugs aren't going to meet the governments test for how "cost effective" they are.
Stimulus? Help jobs? Not in medicine anymore.

51 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:58:22pm
52 MJ  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:58:26pm

Just how anti-Israel is the British press?

New Report out:

[Link: www.justjournalism.com...]

53 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:58:37pm

the famed old place is open for business again...I'm driving for a night this spring...I thought that was important

[Link: www.stjamescimarron.com...]

54 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:58:41pm

re: #46 snopercod

Wave of nausea, more likely.
I'm anything but bored. And not in a good way.

55 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:58:59pm

re: #27 Ojoe

You cannot beat Elizabethan English, The King James Bible is written in it too.

Thou viperous ill-bred harpy!

Have fun...:)

[Link: www.william-shakespeare.org.uk...]

56 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:59:35pm

re: #22 SasquatchOnSteroids

Joe Biden - a long-haired cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

-Jesse Helms to John Bolton in Surrender is not an option

Should that be long-tailed cat? Or did Jesse hose the quote?

57 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:59:37pm
58 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:59:37pm

re: #42 tommygum

If my reading of it is correct...
I'm F*&^ked!
It's Nation , and far worse than Clintons High Cap... ban!
[deleted],deleted]!

59 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:59:41pm

re: #27 Ojoe

You cannot beat Elizabethan English, The King James Bible is written in it too.

oh forsooth yourself...

60 joncelli  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 12:59:44pm

re: #46 snopercod

Malaise, more likely. We should be so lucky as to experience ennui at this point.

61 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:00:40pm

re: #46 snopercod

Is it just me or did a wave of ennui just pass through America?

As if a million fiscal conservative voices cried out, and were suddenly silenced.

62 baconeatingkaffir  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:01:01pm

but what are the carbon credits on ennui? Can we extend it a hand before it unclenches the fist?

63 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:01:04pm

An Eliot thread! You have no idea how long I've waited for this!

64 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:01:05pm

re: #50 Kosh's Shadow

There goes the biotech industry and all new pharmaceutical development. New drugs aren't going to meet the governments test for how "cost effective" they are.
Stimulus? Help jobs? Not in medicine anymore.

Hey, you don't need the government for that.

My employer's insurance is WAY ahead of the curve in second-guessing and hemming in doctors.

65 joncelli  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:01:14pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Bwahaha! Destroyed by the Death Stimulus!

66 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:01:38pm

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

It's the Bess that money can buy.

!

Is it a Brown Bess?

67 snopercod  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:01:39pm

re: #54 tradewind

...And not in a good way.

Do you mean that in the Jeff Dunham/Bubba J sense?

68 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:01:44pm
69 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:01:47pm

re: #60 joncelli

Malaise, more likely. We should be so lucky as to experience ennui at this point.

re: #60 joncelli

Malaise, more likely. We should be so lucky as to experience ennui at this point.

re: #60 joncelli

ennui all sadly sat in our malaise lounge.

(No, not trying to start a pun thread.)

;-)

70 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:02:05pm

BHO. The nation's first fearmongerer-in-chief.

71 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:02:10pm
72 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:02:13pm

re: #65 joncelli

Bwahaha! Destroyed by the Death Stimulus!

Quick! Someone suit up a squid amd mount a counterattack!

73 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:02:20pm

re: #63 Cato the Elder

Your kidding ...Right?
Ha Ha!

74 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:02:25pm

re: #67 snopercod

On so many levels.

75 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:02:53pm

re: #63 Cato the Elder

An Eliot thread! You have no idea how long I've waited for this!

The rough beast, slouching towards Jerusalem, its time come at last?

76 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:03:23pm
77 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:03:32pm

re: #66 OldLineTexan

!

Is it a Brown Bess?

In the words of The Captain & Tennille: Looks like Musket Love.

78 ryannon  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:03:39pm

re: #28 gmsc

...and for those who needed proof of that statement...

The courage of the mother squirrel, very beautiful...

79 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:03:45pm

re: #68 taxfreekiller

Hmmm... I click linky and get this:

Site off-line

The site is currently not available due to technical problems. Please try again later. Thank you for your understanding.

80 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:04:13pm

re: #46 snopercod

Is it just me or did a wave of ennui just pass through America?

The local pet store just got in a new litter of melancholy.

81 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:04:35pm

re: #30 Killian Bundy

Crikey.

Tom Daschle is a dangerous creepy soul sucking socialist of a man.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Translation: If you are suffering from a deadly disease and you want to attempt to save your life with new experimental drugs or treatments - and the government doesn't agree with the costs - tough luck. The democrats think you are expendable.

F*K you, Tom Dash-hole.

82 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:04:45pm

re: #75 OldLineTexan

The rough beast, slouching towards Jerusalem, its time come at last?

You're the barbarian at the Yeats.

83 USBeast  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:05:01pm

re: #75 OldLineTexan

The rough beast, slouching towards Jerusalem, its time come at last?

Hey! What? I'm not even slouching in my chair!

84 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:05:07pm

re: #60 joncelli

Malaise, more likely. We should be so lucky as to experience ennui at this point.

Well, I live in Moonbattachusetts. Trying to convince my congresscritters and senators not to vote for pork would be like trying to teach a pig to sing.
Caligula appointed his horse to be a senator; we did it better - we have two horse's asses.

85 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:05:15pm

re: #68 taxfreekiller

[Link:

86 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:05:29pm

re: #82 Occasional Reader

You're the barbarian at the Yeats.

I'm sorry, did you say something?

/the falcon

87 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:05:40pm

re: #75 OldLineTexan

As BHO said to the Republicans, T.S.

88 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:05:53pm

re: #80 DaddyG

The local pet store just got in a new litter of melancholy.

Aww wee Melancholys are so cute before they open their eyes..

89 USBeast  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:05:58pm

re: #82 Occasional Reader

You're the barbarian at the Yeats.

Ouch, I'll bet that Burns.

90 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:06:03pm

re: #81 FrogMarch

Crikey.

Tom Daschle is a dangerous creepy soul sucking socialist of a man.

Translation: If you are suffering from a deadly disease and you want to attempt to save your life with new experimental drugs or treatments - and the government doesn't agree with the costs - tough luck. The democrats think you are expendable.

F*K you, Tom Dash-hole.

Don't know about other folks, but I'm really, really glad he's gone.

91 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:06:04pm

re: #27 Ojoe

You cannot beat Elizabethan English, The King James Bible is written in it too.

Actually, it is the Authorised Version. Never been replaced, neither.

92 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:06:12pm

re: #50 Kosh's Shadow

There goes the biotech industry and all new pharmaceutical development. New drugs aren't going to meet the governments test for how "cost effective" they are.
Stimulus? Help jobs? Not in medicine anymore.

There is no great big wealthy country to do that for us. All those other countries with socialized medicine that cap the price of pharmaceuticals rely on us to pay for the development costs. We've been subsidizing their crappy care for decades.

93 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:06:13pm

re: #76 buzzsawmonkey

Loader wipes tear from his eye!
Most excellent find!
A ding I shall give thee!

94 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:06:19pm
95 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:06:38pm

Are one of you the MyRightWord blogger, or does he only post links to his blog in the spin-offs?

96 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:06:48pm

re: #76 buzzsawmonkey

Why, of course.

I see your Brown Bess verse, and raise you a Black Betty.

97 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:06:49pm

re: #68 taxfreekiller

Its back up.

...and back down again. Must be tied to oil futures.

98 Bubbaman  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:07:06pm

Interestingly, I just checked some rates for an upcoming vacation at Disney. It seems that they haven't heard of the horrible recession or near depression that we are currently mired in. Nearly all of their rooms are booked and many go for $300, $500+/night + park tickets, etc.

Either everyone is named Madoff or the media is lying about the scope of the financial melt-down.

99 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:07:18pm

Regarding this great Hopey theme of Obama's, I am reminded of an old Army adage..."Hope is not a Method"

If your planning contained any element of 'hoping for something to happen', you would get your ass handed to you by your commander...

100 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:07:20pm

re: #89 USBeast

Ouch, I'll bet that Burns.

and that's being Frank

101 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:07:24pm

re: #89 USBeast

Ouch, I'll bet that Burns.

Is a poet pun thread (ee) cummings?

102 SurferDoc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:07:34pm

A bit more Eliot:

"Who is the third who walks always beside you?
When I count, there are only you and I together
But when I look ahead up the white road
There is always another one walking beside you
Gliding wrapt in a brown mantle, hooded
I do not know whether a man or a woman
—But who is that on the other side of you?"

103 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:07:38pm

re: #56 CyanSnowHawk

Should that be long-tailed cat? Or did Jesse hose the quote?

That was me screwing up the quote. I take full responsibility for effin' that all to hell.

104 snopercod  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:07:45pm

re: #60 joncelli

Malaise, more likely. We should be so lucky as to experience ennui at this point.

It's more than malaise. It's like watching a nation commit suicide, and knowing there's absolutely nothing you or I can do to stop it. I don't know the proper word for that, but I think it's the opposite of 'Hope'.

105 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:07:51pm

re: #81 FrogMarch

Crikey.

Tom Daschle is a dangerous creepy soul sucking socialist of a man.

Translation: If you are suffering from a deadly disease and you want to attempt to save your life with new experimental drugs or treatments - and the government doesn't agree with the costs - tough luck. The democrats think you are expendable.

F*K you, Tom Dash-hole.

Of course, the Europeans get their new drugs subsidized by the US; they don't pay full price. With this, no one will be paying, so there won't be any new drugs.

106 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:08:39pm
107 kafir lover  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:09:11pm

re: #104 snopercod

More like nausea, really - watching parts of Rome catch fire

108 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:09:28pm

re: #98 Bubbaman

Interestingly, I just checked some rates for an upcoming vacation at Disney. It seems that they haven't heard of the horrible recession or near depression that we are currently mired in. Nearly all of their rooms are booked and many go for $300, $500+/night + park tickets, etc.

Either everyone is named Madoff or the media is lying about the scope of the financial melt-down.

"Spend it now before it's worthless"?

109 USBeast  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:09:29pm

re: #101 OldLineTexan

Is a poet pun thread (ee) cummings?

I wouldn't take it to Harte.

110 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:09:46pm

re: #98 Bubbaman

Interestingly, I just checked some rates for an upcoming vacation at Disney. It seems that they haven't heard of the horrible recession or near depression that we are currently mired in. Nearly all of their rooms are booked and many go for $300, $500+/night + park tickets, etc.

Either everyone is named Madoff or the media is lying about the scope of the financial melt-down.

Same here. Mrs LGoPs and I were thinking of going over to Catalina Island for Valentine's weekend and the rates were in the $400 a night range. They must not be affected by the recession since they're 'offshore' accounts maybe...?

111 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:10:09pm

I should have been a pair of ragged claws...fuck that.

Groucho Marx was a big fan of Eliot. When Marx finally met him, all the poet wanted to talk about was The Marx Bros.. "Well," said Groucho, "what do expect from a guy from St. Louis?"

112 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:10:18pm

I am so tired.
And, he's only been in office less that 3 weeks. I may not make it till 1/20/13.

113 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:10:19pm

re: #107 kafir lover

More like nausea, really - watching parts of Rome catch fire

Does Ner0bama play the fiddle?

114 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:10:26pm

re: #101 OldLineTexan

Is a poet pun thread (ee) cummings?

I didn't expect a pun thread sassoon in the day. But it's partly my owen fault, I guess.

115 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:10:36pm

re: #109 USBeast

I wouldn't take it to Harte.

Think I need Robert Service to have look.

116 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:10:44pm

Speaking of aid... I don't suppose the rest of the world is clamoring to get off of the foreign aid teat and help us out a bit until we get back on our feet?

Nah, didn't think so.

117 redheadredstate  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:10:54pm

Hope is for the lazy, for the dreamers.
I'm a woman of action.
I'll take action over hope any day.
Hope never got you a better paying job, a husband or wife, hell even a grilled cheese sandwich. Getting off your tush and doing something is what generates a true change of your circumstances.

That's how Obambi got elected. These morons would rather hope for an actual change then to go out and make the changes needed in their own lives. The sad thing is that they will take those who actually effect change down with them simply because they have (at least for the present) more on their side than we have on ours.
*spit*

118 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:11:12pm

re: #109 USBeast

I wouldn't take it to Harte.

That's just a Poe comparison. Are we Donne with the puns yet?

119 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:11:19pm

I think I'll put this on my resume:

I grow old … I grow old …
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.

120 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:11:22pm

Already posted under Moonbats, but it's so appalling I thought I'd repeat it here: More proof that pencil-necked Sensitive New Age Guys are some of the biggest totalitarians and misanthropes around.

121 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:11:28pm

re: #81 FrogMarch

What the Euros are really good at is controlling rampant spending on their older population. Here's their final solution: leave town every August for an entire government-paid month, and let the oldsters swelter to death in un-airconditioned heattraps. Works every time.

122 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:11:33pm

re: #116 DaddyG

Speaking of aid... I don't suppose the rest of the world is clamoring to get off of the foreign aid teat and help us out a bit until we get back on our feet?

Nah, didn't think so.

Soon, dollar worth nothing, aid cuts itself off. No problem.

123 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:11:40pm

Need more bagpipes...

It's a long way to the top!

124 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:11:46pm

re: #27 Ojoe

You cannot beat Elizabethan English, The King James Bible is written in it too.

Something to ponder:

The year the King James Bible completed: 1610
Shakespeare's age that year: 46
46th word from the start of the 46th Psalm (King James version): SHAKE
46th word from the end of the 46th Psalm (King James version - not counting "Selah", which is basically "Amen"): SPEAR
Shakespeare's age at the time of the completion of the King James Bible (46) + Psalm we're using (46) + word we're using (46): 138
12th (in 138, 1 + 3 + 8 = 12) word in 138th Pslam (King James version): WILL

Right out of the King James version: WILL SHAKE SPEAR!

125 shiplord kirel  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:11:56pm

re: #76 buzzsawmonkey

Why, of course.

Brown Bess was great in her time, but the hapless Mexican army was still using them during the Mexican War of 1846-48. American troops were armed with rifles and Colt revolvers, which is a fair part of how we came to own California and most of the Southwest.

126 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:12:03pm

re: #114 Occasional Reader

I didn't expect a pun thread sassoon in the day. But it's partly my owen fault, I guess.

I go to Cerf the web and this is what I get.

127 thefallingman  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:12:04pm

re: #101 OldLineTexan

Is a poet pun thread (ee) cummings?


That would Frost me if that started.

128 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:12:32pm

re: #117 redheadredstate
Exactly Red!

129 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:12:33pm

What gets me, is all those idiots that still think that the 0 is the messiah have no clue about what is going on with the stimulus bill.
They just want a check.

130 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:13:04pm

re: #81 FrogMarch

Crikey.

Tom Daschle is a dangerous creepy soul sucking socialist of a man.


Translation: If you are suffering from a deadly disease and you want to attempt to save your life with new experimental drugs or treatments - and the government doesn't agree with the costs - tough luck. The democrats think you are expendable.
F*K you, Tom Dash-hole.

Interesting that they have that in common with Marxists/Communists. The individual is expendable...as evidenced by 100 million dead last century.

131 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:13:06pm

re: #81 FrogMarch

Crikey.

Tom Daschle is a dangerous creepy soul sucking socialist of a man.


Translation: If you are suffering from a deadly disease and you want to attempt to save your life with new experimental drugs or treatments - and the government doesn't agree with the costs - tough luck. The democrats think you are expendable.

F*K you, Tom Dash-hole.

Having had to battle a life-threatening desease with one of my children, all I can say is thank God it wasn't with this lot in control.

This whole thing makes me sick.

132 snopercod  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:13:09pm

re: #102 SurferDoc

I like ts eliot, but I gotta' ask. Was he on drugs or something?

133 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:13:15pm

re: #120 mikalm

Already posted under Moonbats, but it's so appalling I thought I'd repeat it here: More proof that pencil-necked Sensitive New Age Guys are some of the biggest totalitarians and misanthropes around.

Population control should be voluntary. These dopes can set the example and go first.

134 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:13:40pm

re: #120 mikalm

Already posted under Moonbats, but it's so appalling I thought I'd repeat it here: More proof that pencil-necked Sensitive New Age Guys are some of the biggest totalitarians and misanthropes around.

The current planetary die off rate—meaning the rate at which species are going extinct—is a 1000 times greater than ever before in history. Why? Because humans—one species among millions—have stolen the food, the water, the space.

Evolutionary success, baby.

But he could off himself ...

135 kafir lover  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:14:03pm

re: #113 Kosh's Shadow


I'm not sure, but his reign was "often associated with tyranny and extravagance".

136 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:14:04pm

re: #84 Kosh's Shadow

Heh. Being in Illinois, I don't have much hope for my Senators either. One's a Dickhead, and the other's a Tombstone.

137 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:14:25pm

Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
Jack jump over the candlestick.
Jack now show us another trick
Do it again Jack with a lighted wick.

Jack you're jumpy since you were born,
And as Jumping Jack you are known,
But Jack this little cliche never scorn...
"Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!"

138 Killian Bundy  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:14:55pm

re: #90 subsailor68

Don't know about other folks, but I'm really, really glad he's gone.

/unfortunately, his socialized medicine legacy is still in the stupid "stimulus" bill travesty

139 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:15:04pm

re: #124 gmsc

Did you ever hear of Ignatius Donnelly? He was a 19th century American political and independent scholar who tried to prove that Shakespeare's plays were actually written by Francis Bacon, by using convoluted analyses of "codes" in the Bard's writings like the one you came up with.

140 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:15:15pm

re: #134 OldLineTexan

The current planetary die off rate—meaning the rate at which species are going extinct—is a 1000 times greater than ever before in history. Why? Because humans—one species among millions—have stolen the food, the water, the space.

Evolutionary success, baby.

But he could off himself ...

Guess no one told the white tail deer, eh? Guess I'll go out to my back yard and let all ten gazillion of them eating my shrubs about it.

141 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:15:19pm
142 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:15:42pm

re: #132 snopercod

An TS Eliot is an anagram of toilets.

143 USBeast  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:15:58pm

re: #127 thefallingman

That would Frost me if that started.

A lot of people would Nash their teeth.

144 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:16:06pm

re: #139 mikalm

Did you ever hear of Ignatius Donnelly? He was a 19th century American political and independent scholar who tried to prove that Shakespeare's plays were actually written by Francis Bacon, by using convoluted analyses of "codes" in the Bard's writings like the one you came up with.

Another fine person from the Great State of Minnesota

145 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:16:11pm

re: #138 Killian Bundy

/unfortunately, his socialized medicine legacy is still in the stupid "stimulus" bill travesty

You're so right about that. The loon is gone, but the malady lingers on.

146 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:16:14pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

An TS Eliot is an anagram of toilets.

So he was on pot?

147 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:16:33pm

Two favorite passages from Eliot's "Four Quartets":

In my beginning is my end. In succession
Houses rise and fall, crumble, are extended,
Are removed, destroyed, restored, or in their place
Is an open field, or a factory, or a by-pass.
Old stone to new building, old timber to new fires,
Old fires to ashes, and ashes to the earth
Which is already flesh, fur and faeces,
Bone of man and beast, cornstalk and leaf.
Houses live and die: there is a time for building
And a time for living and for generation
And a time for the wind to break the loosened pane
And to shake the wainscot where the field-mouse trots
And to shake the tattered arras woven with a silent motto.

That's the opening of "East Coker". The first line is a reversal of a motto Mary Queen of Scots had embroidered on her Chair of State: En ma fin est mon commencement. It was with her during her captivity by Elizabeth Tudor.

The second is the end of the last Quartet, "Little Gidding".

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Through the unknown, unremembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree
Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always—
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flame are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.

There's your Christian mysticism for the day.

148 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:16:33pm

re: #127 thefallingman

That would Frost me if that started.

My favorite poem was written by "Phin", subtitled, "A Battle Hymn of the Republic, set in the year 1888":

149 Killian Bundy  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:16:40pm

re: #95 Ben Hur

Are one of you the MyRightWord blogger, or does he only post links to his blog in the spin-offs?

/he's the reigning LGF Blog Pimp Champion, that's all he does

150 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:16:44pm

Alrighty, then.

151 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:16:53pm

re: #134 OldLineTexan

But he could off himself ...

Which is the real motivation for a lot of these Humanity=Evil types. They utterly loathe themselves (usually for excellent reasons), and project their self-hatred onto Homo sapiens as a whole.

152 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:17:12pm

re: #143 USBeast

A lot of people would Nash their teeth.

You definately would, if placed in a Kelvinator.

153 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:17:22pm

re: #149 Killian Bundy

Thanks

That's what I figured.

154 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:17:25pm

re: #123 lawhawk

Cheer up, it's Monday, and that means Jack Bauer.
Wouldn't it be fun to hear him** address the real Congress, just once...
** Jack. Not, sadly, Kiefer.

155 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:17:31pm

re: #75 OldLineTexan

The rough beast, slouching towards Jerusalem, its time come at last?

You mean Yeats predicted Eliot? ;^)

156 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:17:31pm

re: #146 OldLineTexan

So he was on pot?

No, but his poems were for mopes...

157 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:17:41pm
158 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:17:47pm

re: #146 OldLineTexan

I don't know.

159 SurferDoc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:17:53pm

re: #132 snopercod

I like ts eliot, but I gotta' ask. Was he on drugs or something?

Not that I know about.

160 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:18:01pm

I think we can have poet puns, AND serious discussion. This thread is rumi enough for both.

161 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:18:01pm

re: #140 subsailor68

Guess no one told the white tail deer, eh? Guess I'll go out to my back yard and let all ten gazillion of them eating my shrubs about it.

too many deer is very bad for the deer...sounds like a problem...southwest MI is teeming with them and when they raise the limits people freak...idiots

162 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:18:11pm

He said she's not pretty

163 the1sgjohns  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:18:14pm

re: #123 lawhawk

AWESOME!

164 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:18:24pm

re: #156 LGoPs

No, but his poems were for mopes...

The original Emo!

165 opnion  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:18:57pm

All of the really good poetry that I have heard starts with, "There once was a girl from Nantucket..."

166 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:18:58pm

re: #155 Cato the Elder

You mean Yeats predicted Eliot? ;^)

/You don't see them as somehow akin?

I constantly mix them up.

;)

167 shiplord kirel  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:19:02pm

re: #139 mikalm

Did you ever hear of Ignatius Donnelly? He was a 19th century American political and independent scholar who tried to prove that Shakespeare's plays were actually written by Francis Bacon, by using convoluted analyses of "codes" in the Bard's writings like the one you came up with.

I recall a professor explaining the method to his class, then setting them to work looking for similar "clues." The students produced compelling evidence that Elvis Presley, Warren G. Harding, Groucho Marx, and Myrna Loy were the actual authors of the Bard's plays.

168 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:19:12pm

re: #152 Honorary Yooper

I'm getting Fried with these puns. People can't help but sow their literary Oates with 'em.

169 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:19:36pm
170 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:19:41pm

re: #161 albusteve

too many deer is very bad for the deer...sounds like a problem...southwest MI is teeming with them and when they raise the limits people freak...idiots

Well, when you get enough deer/car/people fatalities, the fainting Nancies will perk up and do something, I'm sure.

171 Buck  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:19:46pm

re: #98 Bubbaman

Interestingly, I just checked some rates for an upcoming vacation at Disney. It seems that they haven't heard of the horrible recession or near depression that we are currently mired in. Nearly all of their rooms are booked and many go for $300, $500+/night + park tickets, etc.

Either everyone is named Madoff or the media is lying about the scope of the financial melt-down.

I know for me it is denial. I am still going on my cruise (Carnival Destiny out of Miami on the 14th.), and I have already started to plan my next (November).

172 tommygum  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:20:08pm

re: #89 USBeast

Ouch, I'll bet that Burns.

Said Waylon Smithers.

173 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:20:17pm

re: #139 mikalm

Did you ever hear of Ignatius Donnelly? He was a 19th century American political and independent scholar who tried to prove that Shakespeare's plays were actually written by Francis Bacon, by using convoluted analyses of "codes" in the Bard's writings like the one you came up with.

The credit for this convoluted bible code analysis would go to Dr. Joshua Irving Matrix, who himself is a creation of Martin Gardner.

re: #141 buzzsawmonkey

Something else to ponder: how could Shakespeare, were he to have written the KJV, have predicted that it would be completed in the 138th anniversary year of his birth?

Read the post again - the KJV was completed when Shakespeare was 46.

174 thefallingman  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:20:26pm

re: #168 calcajun

I'm getting Fried with these puns. People can't help but sow their literary Oates with 'em.


Well, be my Guest if you think you can do Moore.

175 livefreeor die  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:20:28pm

re: #134 OldLineTexan

The current planetary die off rate—meaning the rate at which species are going extinct—is a 1000 times greater than ever before in history. Why? Because humans—one species among millions—have stolen the food, the water, the space.

Evolutionary success, baby.

But he could off himself ...

Bingo! Whenever these enviro-freaks start complaining about there being too many people on earth, I wonder why they don't kill themselves and help the planet out. Some how I bet they think they are the ones who should still be on the planet.

176 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:20:45pm

Bill calls for castrating sex offenders

A bill introduced in the Alabama House of Representatives this week would require convicted sex offenders who targeted young children to be surgically castrated before leaving prison.

The bill would require castration for male sex

offenders older than 21 convicted of a sex crime against a victim younger than 12.

Rep. Steve Hurst, D-Munford, has pushed legislation authorizing castration for two years.

“We need a stronger deterrent than what we have now,” said Hurst, who introduced the bill Tuesday. “I’d like for Alabama to take the lead and say that enough is enough.”

177 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:20:46pm

re: #146 OldLineTexan

More like ethanol.

178 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:20:48pm

re: #170 OldLineTexan

Well, when you get enough deer/car/people fatalities, the fainting Nancies will perk up and do something, I'm sure.

Be careful there. They may well decide there are too man of us.

179 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:20:52pm

re: #174 thefallingman

Well, be my Guest if you think you can do Moore.

Roger that.

180 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:20:52pm
181 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:02pm

re: #112 newsjunkie_ky

I am so tired.
And, he's only been in office less that 3 weeks. I may not make it till 1/20/13.

we will make it. it is easy to get down but don't doubt the we will make it.
start looking for the schadenfreude as he keeps making an ass of himself.
:)

182 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:19pm

re: #166 OldLineTexan

/You don't see them as somehow akin?

I constantly mix them up.

;)

You should get that checked out; you may be suffering from a Yeats infection.

183 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:20pm

re: #170 OldLineTexan

Well, when you get enough deer/car/people fatalities, the fainting Nancies will perk up and do something, I'm sure.

One would think so, but wasn't it the morons in Tuxedo Park NY who wanted "contraceptives" for the deer? (They were overrun and hated seeing their gardens being used as an all-you-can-eat deer buffet.)

Didn't work.

;-)

184 joncelli  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:32pm

re: #130 LGoPs

What depresses me is that my Dad -- my 79-year-old, overweight Dad with the bad heart -- thinks everything will be great when we get national health care. I just can't bring myself to tell him what will happen if his pacemaker starts to act up.

185 turn  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:38pm

I don't know who this T. S. Eliot character is but he never hoped to me to begin with.

/

I'm going back upthread to see if someone ran this quote through the universal translator for me.

186 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:41pm

re: #157 Iron Fist

Interesting!
If Afgan hurds men were doing it in a tent in the 20,s with hand tools...Why not!
Note to self...Buy a small milling machine!

187 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:45pm

re: #166 OldLineTexan

You don't see them as somehow akin?

I constantly mix them up.

;)

Oh, yes, they are indeed! And Yeats was a big help to Eliot when he set out to make his bones.

188 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:54pm

Mary had a little lamb,
The news made every front page,
With pictures of her being taken to jail,
Cause you see, he was under age.

189 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #175 livefreeor die

Bingo! Whenever these enviro-freaks start complaining about there being too many people on earth, I wonder why they don't kill themselves and help the planet out. Some how I bet they think they are the ones who should still be on the planet.

What really irks him is that I have five little DNA repositories out there, and he still can't get a date on Main Street with a $50 bill hanging out of his fly.

190 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:56pm

re: #165 opnion

All of the really good poetry that I have heard starts with, "There once was a girl from Nantucket..."

The was a young lady from Crewe,
whose limericks stopped at line two.

The was a young man from Verdun . . .

191 ryannon  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:21:59pm

re: #132 snopercod

I like ts eliot, but I gotta' ask. Was he on drugs or something?

No.

Just very, very intelligent.

192 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:22:01pm

re: #178 unreconstructed rebel

Be careful there. They may well decide there are too man of us.

pimf - many

193 undhimmicratic  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:22:03pm

I'm reposting the following because when I wrote it yesterday I completely (and stupidly!) screwed up the numbers (thankfully Buzzsawmonkey and Astronmr20 caught my error). In any case, I first learned of this story in some detail at the Herzliya Conference last week and--since this is an open thread--I think it's worth reposting, if for no other reason than to get it right.

Approximately 850,000 Jews were expelled from Muslim lands after the founding of Israel in 1948. They received no reparations, no "right of return" options, no catalogue of lost property, and today there are no remaining refugee camps to be found--every last one of these Jews was assimilated (although not always easily) either in Israel, US, Canada or elsewhere.

Between 500,000 and 700,000 (at the most) Arab "Palestinian" refugees left Israel--many voluntarily or at the instructions of religious or political leaders--during the 1948 War of Independence. And what do we have today? 1,500,000+ whiners. And these so-called refugees--and their so-called camps-- have become useful statistcs in an NGO/UN moneymaking racket.

194 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:22:35pm

And smells kinda sh*ty

195 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:22:38pm

re: #170 OldLineTexan

Well, when you get enough deer/car/people fatalities, the fainting Nancies will perk up and do something, I'm sure.

white tail are also disease prone when overcrowded...herds need to be maintained at optimum levels to protect them...it's for the children

196 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:22:38pm

The latest troubling noises from the Obama camp? Apparently they're allowing Boeing to send parts to Damascus to rehabilitate several 747s in their possession. That would be an about face from a Bush executive order prohibiting all such transactions except for food and medicine.

Slouching towards appeasement.

197 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:22:48pm

re: #176 SasquatchOnSteroids

Bill calls for castrating sex offenders

Known as the "Cartman Act", this would call for each offender to be kicked sqwar in the nuts.

198 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:23:21pm

re: #188 Dustyvet

Mary had a little lamb,
The news made every front page,
With pictures of her being taken to jail,
Cause you see, he was under age.

Old Mother Hubbard
went to the cupboard,
to get her poor daughter a dress.
But when she got there,
the cupboard was bare,
And so was her daughter, I guess!

199 jcm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:23:37pm

re: #175 livefreeor die

Bingo! Whenever these enviro-freaks start complaining about there being too many people on earth, I wonder why they don't kill themselves and help the planet out. Some how I bet they think they are the ones who should still be on the planet.

Some are considering it...

200 opnion  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:23:39pm

re: #190 gmsc

The was a young lady from Crewe,
whose limericks stopped at line two.

The was a young man from Verdun . . .

Ah, another patron of the arts!

201 Gray Skies  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:23:42pm

re: #30 Killian Bundy

Will this apply to Senator Kennedy?

202 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:23:51pm

re: #175 livefreeor die

Bingo! Whenever these enviro-freaks start complaining about there being too many people on earth, I wonder why they don't kill themselves and help the planet out.

I was at least a little relieved to see that some of the commenters on that article suggested that very thing to him. (Although a dismaying number think he's really a genius.)

203 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:24:01pm

re: #178 unreconstructed rebel

Be careful there. They may well decide there are too man of us.

Deer, while dangerous, are not as dangerous as me, the feared killer ape.

204 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:24:08pm

re: #196 lawhawk

The latest troubling noises from the Obama camp? Apparently they're allowing Boeing to send parts to Damascus to rehabilitate several 747s in their possession. That would be an about face from a Bush executive order prohibiting all such transactions except for food and medicine.

Slouching towards appeasement.

Makes complete sense after his interview with Al-Arabiya.

Arab dictators are safe.

205 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:24:26pm

For poetry, I like things like "Old Ironsides", "The Charge of the Light Brigade", and Poe.

Once upon a midnight dreary
As I pondered weak and weary
over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore
Suddenly there came a tapping
As of someone gently rapping
Rapping at my chamber door.

(skipping a bit)
Quoth the Raven
(SQUACK!) Nevermore! (SQUACK!)

What?

206 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:24:42pm

re: #199 jcm

Some are considering it...

Yeah, if those dorks were serious, who would maintain the website? Hmmm?

207 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:25:12pm

re: #174 thefallingman

Well, be my Guest if you think you can do Moore.

Well, one they realize they are on the wrong Plath, the Howells of derisive laughter might make them stop.

208 jcm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:25:13pm

re: #206 OldLineTexan

Yeah, if those dorks were serious, who would maintain the website? Hmmm?

ROFL!

209 the1sgjohns  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:25:20pm

re: #197 OldLineTexan

Sounds like a sharia law thing.

210 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:26:03pm

re: #191 ryannon

No.

Just very, very intelligent.

Like, the John Kerry of poets?

211 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:26:05pm

re: #195 albusteve

For the children!
LOLOL
I hearby offer my services in the ..ahem..Maint Dept!

212 livefreeor die  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:26:08pm

re: #196 lawhawk

The latest troubling noises from the Obama camp? Apparently they're allowing Boeing to send parts to Damascus to rehabilitate several 747s in their possession. That would be an about face from a Bush executive order prohibiting all such transactions except for food and medicine.

Slouching towards appeasement.

Every day he manages to do something even dumber than the day before. Just when you think he couldn't possibly undermine America's security any further...

And, of course, the "Republican" Senator from my state is helping him out with the freaking stimulus bill.

Senator Specter, if you're reading this, my husband and I will never vote for you again and we will actively campaign for whoever opposes you in the primary. God willing, it will be Rick Santorum.

213 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:26:24pm
214 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:26:50pm

re: #207 calcajun

Well, one they realize they are on the wrong Plath, the Howells of derisive laughter might make them stop.

We should instead talk about Sexton, drugs, and rock n' roll!

215 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:27:09pm

re: #175 livefreeor die

Bingo! Whenever these enviro-freaks start complaining about there being too many people on earth, I wonder why they don't kill themselves and help the planet out. Some how I bet they think they are the ones who should still be on the planet.

I've always compared creeps like him to the cultists in "The Call of Cthulhu," who want to wipe out humanity so that they can rule a cleared planet along with the Elder Gods.

216 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:27:30pm

re: #190 gmsc

The was a young lady from Crewe,
whose limericks stopped at line two.

The was a young man from Verdun . . .

There once was man from Venus
Who's body was shaped like a...


Oh, the hell with it.

217 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:27:40pm

Cat thrown to death from 14th floor apt. in N.Y.

Ross said Irvin told them that the cat, an non-neutered male, angered him by spraying as Irvin tried to clean the apartment.

What a worthless piece of skin.

218 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:27:42pm

re: #209 the1sgjohns

Sounds like a sharia law thing.

I thought it was more Code of Hammurabi-ish.

219 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:27:44pm

re: #184 joncelli

What depresses me is that my Dad -- my 79-year-old, overweight Dad with the bad heart -- thinks everything will be great when we get national health care. I just can't bring myself to tell him what will happen if his pacemaker starts to act up.

This is slightly off topic but one of my favorite movies is Dr Zhivago. Aside from being a beautiful film it is very instructive about the evils of communism.
Also interesting as a sidenote is that the author, Boris Pasternak, recieved a Nobel prize for it but the Party of the People, *Spit* would not allow him to collect it, IIRC.

I find chilling parallels in it to what is happening today, albeit our native born apparatchiks will be wearing smiley face buttons and Nikes...

220 USBeast  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:27:58pm

re: #165 opnion

All of the really good poetry that I have heard starts with, "There once was a girl from Nantucket..."

Then you might be interested in this.

221 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:27:59pm

re: #205 Kosh's Shadow

For poetry, I like things like "Old Ironsides", "The Charge of the Light Brigade", and Poe.

Once upon a midnight dreary
As I pondered weak and weary
over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore
Suddenly there came a tapping
As of someone gently rapping
Rapping at my chamber door.

(skipping a bit)
Quoth the Raven
(SQUACK!) Nevermore! (SQUACK!)

What?

I like the modernized version:

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I websurfed, weak and weary,
Over many a strange and spurious website of 'hot chicks galore',
While I clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning,
And my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour.
"'Tis not possible," I muttered, "give me back my cheap hardcore!" -
Quoth the server, "404".

222 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:28:14pm

Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm. But the harm does not interest them.
~T. S. Eliot

223 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:28:23pm
224 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:28:42pm

OT:
SEC and Madoff to settle civil fraud suit. Criminal charges still pending...

225 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:00pm

re: #214 Occasional Reader

We should instead talk about Sexton, drugs, and rock n' roll!

That is a subject we should keep Pounding over and over.

226 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:05pm

re: #218 OldLineTexan

I thought it was more Code of Hammurabi-ish.

You do babyl on, don't you?

227 thefallingman  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:11pm

re: #214 Occasional Reader

We should instead talk about Sexton, drugs, and rock n' roll!


What we really need is someone to pun "Dickenson."

228 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:20pm

re: #196 lawhawk

I'd be okay with that if a) they used cannibalized parts from Pan Am 103, and b) sent them over to be installed by some of the mechanics currrently holding up contract talks at my former employer.
/only part sarc/

229 summergurl  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:32pm

Does anyone have a link to the Senate version of the stimulus package?

230 the1sgjohns  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:35pm

re: #218 OldLineTexan

Uh! maybe. Or perhaps just good old fashioned advice from grandma. Yeah! Here brother smell the cookies...WHACK!. It's ok have a cookie. I think you would see a lot less child molesting happening that's for sure.

231 turn  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:42pm

re: #199 jcm

Some are considering it...

You have got to be kidding me, these crazies want to de-evolve. Jeeze

232 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:42pm

re: #224 lawhawk

OT:
SEC and Madoff to settle civil fraud suit. Criminal charges still pending...

Take everything he has and let his investors each have one kick under the Cartman Act.

233 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:42pm

But it's really the company I crave

234 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:29:58pm

re: #217 SasquatchOnSteroids

Cat thrown to death from 14th floor apt. in N.Y.

What a worthless piece of skin.

Even worse.

235 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:30:08pm

re: #215 mikalm

236 tommygum  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:30:12pm

re: #189 OldLineTexan

What really irks him is that I have five little DNA repositories out there, and he still can't get a date on Main Street with a $50 bill hanging out of his fly.

Couldn't get laid in a whorehouse with a fistfull on hundred dollar bills on a rainy monday night.

237 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:30:19pm

re: #226 Occasional Reader

You do babyl on, don't you?

Ur you talkin' to me?

238 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:30:47pm

re: #227 thefallingman

What we really need is someone to pun "Dickenson."

Well, there's that famous lady poet, Anita Dickens-Hyde.

239 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:31:14pm

re: #216 calcajun

There once was man from Venus
Who's body was shaped like a...

Oh, the hell with it.

A version of that was used in the "Naked Now" episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, with Data starting the line, and Picard interrupting him.

240 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:31:28pm
241 Kragar  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:31:30pm

Dem Senator proposes witch hunt

WASHINGTON (AP) - The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee is proposing a "truth commission" to investigate abuses of detainees, politically inspired moves at the Justice Department, and whole range of decisions made during the Bush administration.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said the primary goal of the commission would be to learn the truth rather than prosecute former officials, but said the inquiry should reach far beyond misdeeds at the Justice Department under Bush to include matters of Iraq prewar intelligence and the Defense Department.

Leahy outlined his suggestion for a "truth and reconciliation" commission during a speech at Georgetown University Monday.

"I'm doing this not to humiliate people or punish people but to get the truth out," he said.

242 opnion  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:32:01pm

re: #220 USBeast

Then you might be interested in this.

Thank you, but I of course have that. I thought that every well stocked library did.

243 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:32:05pm

re: #234 mikalm

Good lord.

244 Soona'  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:32:19pm

re: #191 ryannon

No.

Just very, very intelligent.

Oh yeah. Then why couldn't he write stuff that people could understand?
:)

245 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:32:26pm

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dem Senator proposes witch hunt

I propose chaining stupid to his apple tree.

246 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:32:30pm

re: #217 SasquatchOnSteroids

Cat thrown to death from 14th floor apt. in N.Y.

What a worthless piece of skin.

Let the punishment fit the crime...Toss this bastard off the 20th floor.

247 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:32:45pm

re: #225 calcajun

That is a subject we should keep Pounding over and over.

We have the strength for it, we're a Hardy lot.

248 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:32:51pm

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Leahy outlined his suggestion for a "truth and reconciliation" commission during a speech at Georgetown University Monday. "

Ministry of Truth anyone? This is scary, scary stuff.

249 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:32:53pm

re: #234 mikalm

Even worse.

Well, guess that proves cats will land on their feet. Let's see Mythbusters try that one. (sarcasm)

Ugh.

250 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:32:59pm
251 Gretchen  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:33:00pm

I emailed my idiot Senator (Udall) to tell him I thought he should vote NO on the stimulus bill. I actually got an email back with the subject line: Re: URGENT! Please pass the economic stimulus package.

I actually momentarily felt sorry for the kid who answered Udall's senate office phone when I called him.

252 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:33:05pm

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Leaky Leahy's the patron saint of Kos. I'm sure he's doing it just to see his name revered in a diary or two.
Not gonna happen.

253 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:33:16pm

re: #246 Dustyvet

Let the punishment fit the crime...Toss this bastard off the 20th floor.

Hamas or Fatah-style?

254 joncelli  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:33:23pm

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"I'm doing this not to humiliate people or punish people but to get the truth out," he said.

Horseshit. Leahy is one of the meanest, most vengeful partisans in the Senate. (Not to mention the fact that the story assumes facts not in evidence.)

255 livefreeor die  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:33:26pm

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dem Senator proposes witch hunt

"I'm doing this not to humiliate people or punish people but to get the truth out," he said.

Oh, Bullsh---, he's hoping to humiliate and punish as many Bush admin people as he can. He probably dreams about it every night.

256 ryannon  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:33:38pm

re: #176 SasquatchOnSteroids

Bill calls for castrating sex offenders


That's some ballsy legislation.

/yikes. let's leave it at that.

257 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:33:40pm

re: #237 OldLineTexan

Ur you talkin' to me?

Relax, Einkidn'u.

258 tackle  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:33:51pm

Have to say, I love T.S. Eliot. Thanks, Charles. This one is apt, too:

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!

and then the ending...
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

259 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:34:08pm

re: #98 Bubbaman
I kind of wonder about this too. Shops and restaurants are still crowded where I live. No sign of anything like panic. Weird.

260 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:34:22pm

re: #253 OldLineTexan

Hamas or Fatah-style?

Whatever get's the job done...:)

261 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:34:24pm

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dem Senator proposes witch hunt

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said the primary goal of the commission would be to learn the truth rather than prosecute former officials,

I thought VP Cheney told him to go fuck himself. Obviously this fucktard can't even follow simple instructions...
/

262 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:34:24pm
263 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:34:35pm

Must go. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening!

264 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:34:58pm

re: #243 SasquatchOnSteroids

Good lord.

Sad but true. Personally, I would have volunteered to stomp him myself, so long as I could wear spiked boots, and have at least two hours for the task.

265 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:35:06pm

re: #255 livefreeor die

Also, how apropos that he uses the words of one of his fave web sites, Truthout.
What is it with VT? Sanders, Jumpin' Jim, and this douche.

266 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:35:09pm

re: #184 joncelli

What depresses me is that my Dad -- my 79-year-old, overweight Dad with the bad heart -- thinks everything will be great when we get national health care. I just can't bring myself to tell him what will happen if his pacemaker starts to act up.

The problem for us is, he is right, for as long as he is likely to be with us. The degradation in service will start off slowly. Over the course of decades, when there are no new medicines being produced, and the years of bureaucracy take their toll, we will come to the awful state that we see other systems at right now. Too few Doctors, too few Nurses, too many administrators with a cost/benefit analysis mindset getting in the way of actual treatment. It will be a slow and gradual descent, and very few people are going to notice the handbasket.

267 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:35:20pm

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dem Senator proposes witch hunt

If...Bush...weighs the same as a duck...he's made of wood!

268 the1sgjohns  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:35:27pm

re: #260 Dustyvet

I like the Hamas style, you know a little marching parade and song to go with. Fatah just talks and talks. You gotta love a parade.

269 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:35:30pm

re: #263 subsailor68

Must go. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening!

We'll keep the front sonar on, hurry back...:)

270 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:35:34pm

re: #256 ryannon

That's some ballsy legislation.

/yikes. let's leave it at that.

It's gonna take a lotta pull to get that one through.

271 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:35:36pm

re: #217 SasquatchOnSteroids

Just awful.

272 livefreeor die  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:35:57pm

re: #267 gmsc

If...Bush...weighs the same as a duck...he's made of wood!

Who are you, who is so wise in the ways of science :)

273 opnion  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:36:11pm

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dem Senator proposes witch hunt

So Leahy thinks that tihs type of fishing expedition is just what we need.
If he has something, why doesn't he just reveal it?
After 9/11 Leahy & the rest of them were just scared & wanted protection. Let it go.

274 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:36:12pm

re: #248 subsailor68

"Leahy outlined his suggestion for a "truth and reconciliation" commission during a speech at Georgetown University Monday. "

Ministry of Truth anyone? This is scary, scary stuff.

And this is a US Senator, not just some idiot in a faculty lounge. Does Leahy really want to start a civil war? Incredible.

275 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:36:33pm

re: #272 livefreeor die

Who are you, who is so wise in the ways of science :)

How can sheep's bladders by used to predict earthquakes?

276 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:36:47pm

re: #176 SasquatchOnSteroids

Oh, we've had that one down here for the longest. It's just not exactly codified...

277 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:37:10pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

And this is a US Senator, not just some idiot in a faculty lounge. Does Leahy really want to start a civil war? Incredible.

He's safe if he hides at home. After four decades of progressive thinking in public schools, no-one knows where Vermont is.

278 joncelli  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:37:13pm

re: #266 CyanSnowHawk

I'm thinking in terms of rationing of care. If somebody decides that it's just not cost-effective to save an old white guy, what's he going to do?

279 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:37:25pm

re: #263 subsailor68

Must go. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening!

Give us an active *Ping* when you're back...
:)

280 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:37:42pm
281 livefreeor die  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:37:43pm

re: #275 calcajun

How can sheep's bladders by used to predict earthquakes?

Actually, right now the most apropos quote from that movie is "King? I didn't vote for you."

282 jcm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:37:46pm

re: #246 Dustyvet

Let the punishment fit the crime...Toss this bastard off the 20th floor.

Nope cat has 9 live, 14x9=126 floors... or from the 14th 9 times.

283 the1sgjohns  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:37:58pm

re: #262 Iron Fist

The Republicans need to get out in front of this now. With all of the other shit Obama has pulled over the last three weeks we can tell that his administration is going to be the most terrorist-friendly administration in history. I guess he believes that if he just appeases them enough, they'll have their way with him, and then they'll leave him alone.

I sort of suspect that they won't entirely cooperate in that.

Let's remember. THE ONLY appeasement that ever worked was at the end of an M1 in WWII when we dictated to the dictators what was going to happen.

284 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:37:58pm

re: #277 OldLineTexan

He's safe if he hides at home. After four decades of progressive thinking in public schools, no-one knows where Vermont is.

Isn't that a suburb of Fort Worth?

285 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:38:00pm
286 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:38:31pm

re: #284 Dustyvet

Isn't that a suburb of Fort Worth?

I see that you made an "A".

287 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:38:37pm

re: #271 VioletTiger

Just awful.

Indeed. Although I suspect that cruelty like this, as well as the even more disgusting case I mentioned in #234, were far more common before the rise of the SPCA and the Humane Society, and the general consensus that it's not cool to treat dogs and cats badly.

288 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:38:39pm

re: #280 buzzsawmonkey

What the hell does Leahy think the US is--post-apartheid South Africa?

Sadlly, that is exactly what he thinks.

289 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:38:52pm

re: #224 lawhawk

It still boggles the mind that he made off with all that loot.

290 brookly red  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:38:53pm

re: #277 OldLineTexan

He's safe if he hides at home. After four decades of progressive thinking in public schools, no-one knows where Vermont is.

Go to New Hampshire and make a very hard left?

291 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:39:01pm

re: #279 LGoPs

Give us an active *Ping* when you're back...
:)

And up-ping, or a down-ping?

292 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:39:02pm

re: #119 subsailor68

I think I'll put this on my resume:

I grow old … I grow old …
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.

I hear the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think that they will sing to me.

293 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:39:11pm

re: #175 livefreeor die

Bingo! Whenever these enviro-freaks start complaining about there being too many people on earth, I wonder why they don't kill themselves and help the planet out. Some how I bet they think they are the ones who should still be on the planet.

They see themselves as the neutered cat. They take up a territory that would otherwise go to a fertile cat that would go around producing litters.

/Can we start calling them the neutered cat brigade?

294 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:39:13pm

re: #290 brookly red

Go to New Hampshire and make a very hard left?

That was punny.

295 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:39:16pm

re: #286 OldLineTexan

I see that you made an "A".

I got an A...woo hoo!

296 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:39:34pm
297 gmsc  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:39:34pm

re: #258 tackle

Have to say, I love T.S. Eliot. Thanks, Charles. This one is apt, too:

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!

and then the ending...
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

More appropriately for 0bama:

298 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:40:03pm
299 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:40:12pm

Video of crazy french bike trail...
Mondial Du VTT Descente de Venosc caméra embarquée

300 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:40:14pm

re: #281 livefreeor die

Actually, right now the most apropos quote from that movie is "King? I didn't vote for you."


I thought we were an anarco-syndicalist commune!

301 seekeroftruth  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:40:35pm

re: #229 summergurl

Does anyone have a link to the Senate version of the stimulus package?

[Link: readthestimulus.org...]

302 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:40:44pm

re: #280 buzzsawmonkey

What the hell does Leahy think the US is--post-apartheid South Africa?

He is an evil, dangerous leftist. What the fuck is wrong with Vermont...?
Isn't that where that dickhead Dean is from too. And Bernie Sanders...is he from there too? Is it something in the cheese or the Maple syrup. Honestly, what the fuck do people think up there?
Geez Looueez...

303 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:40:59pm

re: #280 buzzsawmonkey

What the hell does Leahy think the US is--post-apartheid South Africa?

It's of a piece with the left loons who viewed the Coronation Inauguration of The One as a "Velvet Revolution" (mixing metaphors a bit) or some such nonsense. See, the Bush Regime was driven from power by correct-thinking people in a spontaneous uprising, etc. etc. etc... so now it's time for the show trials.

304 tackle  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:41:08pm

re: #292 doppelganglander

I hear the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think that they will sing to me.

We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.

305 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:41:44pm
306 ciaospirit  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:41:47pm

This gets more tragic by the minute. (link and quote function not working at the moment)

"As the death toll rose Tuesday to 173 in Australia's worst wildfire disaster, suspicions that some of the 400 blazes were caused by arson led police to declare crime scenes in some of the incinerated towns, police Senior Constable Cendra Jackson said."

307 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:41:57pm
308 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:42:24pm

i could sure enjoy a chocolate bon bon ( w/orange cream filling) right now.
or a nice piece of hickory nut cocoa fudge.
(or a short nap).

309 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:42:41pm

re: #302 LGoPs

He is an evil, dangerous leftist. What the fuck is wrong with Vermont...?
Isn't that where that dickhead Dean is from too. And Bernie Sanders...is he from there too? Is it something in the cheese or the Maple syrup. Honestly, what the fuck do people think up there?
Geez Looueez...

They supposed to put the Maple Syrup on pancakes, not main line the stuff

310 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:42:49pm

re: #281 livefreeor die

Actually, right now the most apropos quote from that movie is "King? I didn't vote for you."

And how d'you get that? By exploiting the workers! By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the social and economic differences in our society! If there's EVER going to be any progress .

Look, strange women lying on their backs in ponds handing out swords ... that's no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

311 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:43:03pm

re: #309 Dustyvet

They supposed to put the Maple Syrup on pancakes waffles, not main line the stuff

312 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:43:06pm

"Evolve beyond belief" billboards to honor Darwin

GRAND JUNCTION, Colo.—A secularist group has put up a billboard outside Grand Junction saying "Praise Darwin" in honor of the evolutionary scientist's 200th birthday.
The Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation has placed the same billboard in Dayton, Tenn., and Dover, Pa.

313 tackle  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:43:24pm

re: #307 Iron Fist

I don't understand the mentality that would do such a thing. If I had caught him, I might very well have held his face under the water until he quit kicking. I had quite the temper when I was younger.


You don't say! :)

314 livefreeor die  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:43:34pm

re: #310 calcajun

And how d'you get that? By exploiting the workers! By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the social and economic differences in our society! If there's EVER going to be any progress .

Look, strange women lying on their backs in ponds handing out swords ... that's no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

Eek, is Nancy Pelosi the watery tart?

315 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:43:51pm

re: #307 Iron Fist

I don't understand the mentality that would do such a thing.

He probably felt that the kitten was threatening him.

316 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:44:08pm

re: #310 calcajun

And how d'you get that? By exploiting the workers! By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the social and economic differences in our society! If there's EVER going to be any progress .

Look, strange women lying on their backs in ponds handing out swords ... that's no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

That is now my favorite scene in the whole movie.

317 livefreeor die  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:44:23pm

re: #310 calcajun

And how d'you get that? By exploiting the workers! By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the social and economic differences in our society! If there's EVER going to be any progress .

Look, strange women lying on their backs in ponds handing out swords ... that's no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.

318 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:44:25pm

re: #302 LGoPs

What the fuck is wrong with Vermont...?

Forty years' worth of New York and Boston leftists moving there, to escape the hellholes their activist B.S. made of their hometowns.

319 Aviator  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:44:34pm

re: #278 joncelli

I'm thinking in terms of rationing of care. If somebody decides that it's just not cost-effective to save an old white guy, what's he going to do?

Die

320 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:44:37pm

re: #302 LGoPs

They can't even get Republican right. Remember Jumpin' Jim.

321 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:44:37pm
322 mrosett  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:45:12pm

re: #303 Occasional Reader

Even if Obama getting inaugurated was a bit of a disaster for our country, I still take pride on the fact that, unlike the overwhelming majority of countries in this world, we peacefully transition every 4 or 8 years. This "Truth Commission" thing makes a mockery of what it means to be a proud American.

323 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:45:28pm

re: #278 joncelli

I'm thinking in terms of rationing of care. If somebody decides that it's just not cost-effective to save an old white guy, what's he going to do?

What I am suggesting is that when we make the transition and everything is shiny and new, that is not likely to be a problem, or is likely to happen very rarely, perhaps even more rarely than similar effects coming from the health insurers of today. Care rationing will be one of the side effects of the bloated bureaucracy years or decades hence.

Use Social Security as an example. There were people that saw it for the Ponzi scheme it is before it was put into place, and we are still trying desperately to keep it going. I'm on the tail end of the Baby-boom generation and have little hope of seeing dime one from SS.

324 Soona'  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:45:28pm

re: #273 opnion

So Leahy thinks that tihs type of fishing expedition is just what we need.
If he has something, why doesn't he just reveal it?
After 9/11 Leahy & the rest of them were just scared & wanted protection. Let it go.

This so-called investigation will be ongoing ad infinitum at least until 2012 or until the Repubs. get their act together and win an election. They need to keep the percieved blame on GWB, not the zero and the dems.

325 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:45:29pm

re: #312 SasquatchOnSteroids

"Evolve beyond belief" billboards to honor Darwin

Self-sabotage.

326 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:45:46pm

re: #314 livefreeor die

Eek, is Nancy Pelosi the watery tart?

Have you any idea how much booze it would take before anyone would consider Ms. Pelosi tart-y?

327 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:46:04pm

re: #312 SasquatchOnSteroids

"Evolve beyond belief" billboards to honor Darwin

I think these are the guys that placed the controversial atheist plaque at the Washington state capitol in Olympia calling Christians "fools", or something like that.

328 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:46:20pm

re: #307 Iron Fist

I have found that people who do such things to animals are incredible pussies,excuse the language.

329 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:46:25pm

re: #319 Aviator

Well, now that the Clonemasters will be taking over... part him out.

330 livefreeor die  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:46:50pm

re: #326 calcajun

Have you any idea how much booze it would take before anyone would consider Ms. Pelosi tart-y?

She's a witch!

331 mrosett  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:46:56pm

re: #315 Occasional Reader

He probably felt that the kitten was threatening him.

After all, one man's kitten drowner is another man's freedom fighter. Or something like that.

332 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:06pm
333 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:14pm

re: #315 Occasional Reader

He probably felt that the kitten was threatening him.

I would do very, very bad things to a person I caught hurting a defenseless animal. Much worse than I would if they were doing it to a person, I think...
Does that make me a wierdo?

334 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:19pm

re: #330 livefreeor die

She's a witch!

We'll use my largest scales!

335 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:25pm

re: #330 livefreeor die

She's a witch!

Heh... we spell it differently here.

/Brigadoon

336 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:26pm

re: #90 subsailor68

Don't know about other folks, but I'm really, really glad he's gone.

The thing is - he's not really gone. Daschle will continue to help push this nation toward Universal Health Fascism. Just from behind the scenes. (all while pocketing millions in the influence peddling/ lobby business)

337 Aviator  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:32pm

re: #326 calcajun

Have you any idea how much booze it would take before anyone would consider Ms. Pelosi tart-y?

Careful, there is such a thing as drinking one's self to death.

338 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:36pm

re: #304 tackle

We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.

Check it out, they've all got 80s hairstyles too.

339 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:40pm

re: #327 capitalist piglet

I think these are the guys that placed the controversial atheist plaque at the Washington state capitol in Olympia calling Christians "fools", or something like that.

I'd almost have to wonder if they're being secretly funded by the Discovery Institute.

340 USBeast  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:47:41pm

re: #326 calcajun

Have you any idea how much booze it would take before anyone would consider Ms. Pelosi tart-y?


I have an idea, but I could not afford it...on any level.

341 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:48:17pm

who would do such a thing to a perfectly nice vintage corvette?...blasphemy!


[Link: www.plnewsforum.com...]

342 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:48:23pm

re: #333 LGoPs

I would do very, very bad things to a person I caught hurting a defenseless animal. Much worse than I would if they were doing it to a person, I think...
Does that make me a wierdo?

Define "wierdo". ; )

343 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:48:24pm

Obama is much worse than our fears suggested.


Amidst the high-profile fight over the stimulus plan and the embarrassing tumult over the batch of Obama administration appointees with tax cheating problems there hasn’t been much attention paid to the most naked power grab yet attempted by the Obama administration: the effort to wrest oversight of the federal census from professionals in the Commerce Department.
344 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:48:28pm

re: #337 Aviator

Careful, there is such a thing as drinking one's self to death.

Better than the alternative.

345 Pyrocles  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:48:32pm

There's a secessionist movement in Vermont, too. I actually heard of this on NPR: http://www.vermontsecession.blogspot.com/. On the NPR report, their reasons for wanting to leave the US was, of course, their loathing for then-President Bush.

I'm surprised they don't list LGF on their "neo-Confederate, neo-Nazi,
Paleoconservative, Racist, White Separatist, and Related Links".

re: #302 LGoPs

He is an evil, dangerous leftist. What the fuck is wrong with Vermont...?
Isn't that where that dickhead Dean is from too. And Bernie Sanders...is he from there too? Is it something in the cheese or the Maple syrup. Honestly, what the fuck do people think up there?
Geez Looueez...

346 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:48:50pm

re: #338 CyanSnowHawk

Check it out, they've all got 80s hairstyles too.

Come to Butthead! :-)

347 mrosett  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:49:19pm

re: #325 Occasional Reader

Self-sabotage.

And severely unscientific. Evolution is a question of science. Belief is a question of, well, belief. There's no contradiction between the two, and when someone starts telling us that science says they can't believe, well, they've made science into it's own little religion.

348 livefreeor die  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:49:20pm

re: #345 Pyrocles

There's a secessionist movement in Vermont, too. I actually heard of this on NPR: http://www.vermontsecession.blogspot.com/. On the NPR report, their reasons for wanting to leave the US was, of course, their loathing for then-President Bush.

I'm surprised they don't list LGF on their "neo-Confederate, neo-Nazi,
Paleoconservative, Racist, White Separatist, and Related Links".

I say let them go and then let Canada beat the cr-p out of them.

349 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:49:54pm

Interesting timing for this debate, given the tragedy in Oz...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

350 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:49:56pm
351 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:49:57pm

re: #318 mikalm

Forty years' worth of New York and Boston leftists moving there, to escape the hellholes their activist B.S. made of their hometowns.

Sadly, I think you're probably right. I wonder if the same phenomenon has hurt Washington and Oregon. I heard that there was a large influx of Californians...
I did move to WA from California in '00 and was told to change my plates quickly lest I get vandalized. Fortunately I still had Illinios plates on my car so nothing ever happened...

352 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:50:00pm

re: #346 mikalm

Come to Butthead! :-)

Ha! One of the most enticing lines ever uttered by a male lead in American cinema!

353 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:50:28pm

re: #326 calcajun

Have you any idea how much booze it would take before anyone would consider Ms. Pelosi tart-y?

There are other solutions to that problem.

354 callahan23  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:50:31pm

re: #321 buzzsawmonkey

Ooh, I'm not worthy to dwell on the same thread.

Just sooo good. Dingy!

355 livefreeor die  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:51:08pm

Got to go and feed the monsters. Later!

356 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:51:13pm

re: #348 livefreeor die

Please let 'em go, ASAP!
We can suck it up and import the maple syrup. Wisconsin can take up the cheese slack, MI the apples, and hell, their skiing's no good anyway.

357 Soona'  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:51:26pm

re: #322 mrosett

Even if Obama getting inaugurated was a bit of a disaster for our country, I still take pride on the fact that, unlike the overwhelming majority of countries in this world, we peacefully transition every 4 or 8 years. This "Truth Commission" thing makes a mockery of what it means to be a proud American.

{self-deleted}

358 mrosett  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:51:27pm

re: #326 calcajun

Have you any idea how much booze it would take before anyone would consider Ms. Pelosi tart-y?

I believe that vomiting and alcohol poisoning are specifically designed to avoid situations exactly like that.

359 Pyrocles  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:51:31pm

Actually, this appears to be the main Vermont secessionist site: http://vermontrepublic.org/.

360 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:51:53pm

re: #356 tradewind

Please let 'em go, ASAP!
We can suck it up and import the maple syrup. Wisconsin can take up the cheese slack, MI the apples, and hell, their skiing's no good anyway.

But... What're we going to do for teddy bears?

361 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:51:55pm

re: #342 capitalist piglet

Define "wierdo". ; )

I dunno...bad choice of word. Does that make me strange for seemingly putting an animal above a person. Not that I would. I'd defend a person too of course , but somehow, the thought of hurting an animal that can't defend itself makes me see red...

362 Aviator  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:52:04pm

re: #353 CyanSnowHawk

There are other solutions to that problem.

Yeah you need one for both parties just in case Blinky's falls off by accident.

363 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:52:28pm

re: #347 mrosett

And severely unscientific.

Yep, including the implicit message that evolution has a purpose; that we evolve "up".

364 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:52:38pm

re: #351 LGoPs

Sadly, I think you're probably right. I wonder if the same phenomenon has hurt Washington and Oregon. I heard that there was a large influx of Californians...
I did move to WA from California in '00 and was told to change my plates quickly lest I get vandalized. Fortunately I still had Illinios plates on my car so nothing ever happened...

Funny how a lot of Washington natives resent Californians for moving here. You'd think they'd welcome them, given the general liberal climate (at least in the Puget Sound area).

I've seen Steely Dan here several times, and every time they do "My Old School" and Fagen sings "California tumbles into the sea", the crowd roars with approval.

365 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:53:01pm

re: #352 Occasional Reader

Ha! One of the most enticing lines ever uttered by a male lead in American cinema!

Yup. It's become my standard ironic come-on line. My GF thinks it's hysterical, for some reason.

366 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:53:35pm

re: #341 albusteve

who would do such a thing to a perfectly nice vintage corvette?...blasphemy!


[Link: www.plnewsforum.com...]

that's not a vet I would be proud to ride in. what's with the orange and pink?

367 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:53:56pm
368 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:54:01pm

re: #343 FrogMarch

Obama is much worse than our fears suggested.

I'm hopeful that the attention being given to this issue will force Obama to back off. Notice that they're claiming groups representing minorities are pushing to remove the census from the Commerce Department. Who do you think gave them the idea in the first place?

*cough*Rahm*cough*

369 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:54:15pm
370 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:54:29pm

re: #364 capitalist piglet

Funny how a lot of Washington natives resent Californians for moving here. You'd think they'd welcome them, given the general liberal climate (at least in the Puget Sound area).

I've seen Steely Dan here several times, and every time they do "My Old School" and Fagen sings "California tumbles into the sea", the crowd roars with approval.

for me but not for thee...principle base on self centered 'feelings'

371 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:54:51pm

re: #361 LGoPs

I dunno...bad choice of word. Does that make me strange for seemingly putting an animal above a person. Not that I would. I'd defend a person too of course , but somehow, the thought of hurting an animal that can't defend itself makes me see red...

Actually, I was just teasing you - because it's actually spelled "weirdo".

I share a lot of your feelings about animals. If I caught someone harming one of my dogs, I'm not sure I'd be able to control my anger. Seriously. So I think I know what you mean.

372 Soona'  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:54:56pm

re: #337 Aviator

Careful, there is such a thing as drinking one's self to death.

Nah. When a person can't drink enough, they'll go on to heroin. (pure heroin for the Pelosi situation)

373 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:55:05pm

re: #364 capitalist piglet

Funny how a lot of Washington natives resent Californians for moving here. You'd think they'd welcome them, given the general liberal climate (at least in the Puget Sound area).

I've seen Steely Dan here several times, and every time they do "My Old School" and Fagen sings "California tumbles into the sea", the crowd roars with approval.

Good point. Maybe the resentment is gone. I think I remember being told that much of it was due to housing prices being pushed upward...
Sad to say I had to leave. The company brought me back to CA. Would rather have stayed.

374 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:55:08pm

re: #359 Pyrocles
From your link... you might know this guy would be a major force behind 'em.
[Link: www.counterpunch.org...]

375 summergurl  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:55:13pm

re: #301 seekeroftruth


Thank you seeker..

376 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:55:52pm

re: #369 Iron Fist

They have to try to convert others to their belief

Nothing wrong with that. What's objectionable is the implication that "anyone who doesn't share our belief on this subject is 'unevolved'". That's just plain bigotry.

377 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:56:08pm

re: #366 Eowyn2

that's not a vet I would be proud to ride in. what's with the orange and pink?

the whole thing is awful...it's just wrong...he must be some commie

378 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:56:36pm

re: #371 capitalist piglet


it's actually spelled "weirdo". wierod

FTFY

379 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:56:40pm

re: #364 capitalist piglet

Funny how a lot of Washington natives resent Californians for moving here. You'd think they'd welcome them, given the general liberal climate (at least in the Puget Sound area).

I've seen Steely Dan here several times, and every time they do "My Old School" and Fagen sings "California tumbles into the sea", the crowd roars with approval.

LOL! I'm a California native, and am always amused by the CA/PacNW rivalry. Although I think there's some truth to the assertion above that a lot of our moonbats migrated up there when L.A. got too Third-Worldized, and the Bay Area got too expensive. Their local nut-Leftists seem to be more violent than ours, too -- demos up there are far more likely to turn into actual riots than the ones down here.

380 tackle  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:57:12pm

re: #343 FrogMarch

Obama is much worse than our fears suggested.


From the article:

While the program to count and compile data on Americans might not seems political, the reapportionment of House seats based on the decennial census has huge political ramifications. In addition, the census data will be used to determine funding formulas for a wide range of government programs.


the endgame:
-ensure democrats get elected
-ensure a "wide range of government programs"

381 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:57:31pm

re: #362 Aviator

Yeah you need one for both parties just in case Blinky's falls off by accident.

Good point, I should have found one of the locking ones.

382 Maximu§  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:57:40pm

Islam group urges forest fire jihad...

This story was posted on Drudge and was taken down very quickly...but it got me to thinking...If I was a Middle-Eastern Jihadist and had to scout out (5) operations that had a high probability of success...this operation would be up at the top.

383 jcm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:57:43pm

re: #368 doppelganglander

I'm hopeful that the attention being given to this issue will force Obama to back off. Notice that they're claiming groups representing minorities are pushing to remove the census from the Commerce Department. Who do you think gave them the idea in the first place?

*cough*Rahm*cough*

Last thread I pointed out Census is in Article I of the Constitution Powers of the Legislative Branch.

The Executive Branch is Article II.

Clearly, blatantly an unconstitutional power grab.

The (R)s better pull their heads out and file suit.

384 Soona'  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:58:24pm

re: #364 capitalist piglet

Funny how a lot of Washington natives resent Californians for moving here. You'd think they'd welcome them, given the general liberal climate (at least in the Puget Sound area).

I've seen Steely Dan here several times, and every time they do "My Old School" and Fagen sings "California tumbles into the sea", the crowd roars with approval.

When I lived in the Sea-Tac area back in the middle 70's, it was very conservative. It was all the libtards from CA that turned it liberal. Too bad. It's a beautiful state.

385 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:58:59pm
386 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:59:28pm

re: #334 calcajun

We'll use my largest scales!

Sir Bedevere: What makes you think she's a witch?
Peasant 3: Well, she turned me into a newt!
Sir Bedevere: A newt?
Peasant 3: [meekly after a long pause] ... I got better.
Crowd: [shouts] Burn her anyway!

387 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:59:37pm

re: #376 Occasional Reader

In S.F. there's a billboard that the Freedom from Religion folks sponsor, It's got a stained-glass motif, and spells out in Gothic letters, "Imagine No Religion." I always wonder if they understood the context of that quote, and would terribly object if I ransacked their offices in the name of "Imagine No Possessions."

388 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 1:59:38pm

re: #248 subsailor68

"Leahy outlined his suggestion for a "truth and reconciliation" commission during a speech at Georgetown University Monday. "

Ministry of Truth anyone? This is scary, scary stuff.

We must all delve into the idea that fire melts steel. It is a good idea but I do not think it is feasible.
///

389 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:00:27pm

re: #364 capitalist piglet

Funny how a lot of Washington natives resent Californians for moving here. You'd think they'd welcome them, given the general liberal climate (at least in the Puget Sound area).

I've seen Steely Dan here several times, and every time they do "My Old School" and Fagen sings "California tumbles into the sea", the crowd roars with approval.

Perhaps they are jealous of how strong the CA economy was before the libs began destroying it. That's a hard reputation to live with, always being considered the also-rans of the liberal movement.

390 brookly red  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:00:27pm

re: #382 Maximu§

Islam group urges forest fire jihad...

This story was posted on Drudge and was taken down very quickly...but it got me to thinking...If I was a Middle-Eastern Jihadist and had to scout out (5) operations that had a high probability of success...this operation would be up at the top.

"Allegedly" it has worked well in Spain, & on the west coast. Allegedly.

391 jcm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:00:36pm

re: #388 Eowyn2

We must all delve into the idea that fire melts steel. It is a good idea but I do not think it is feasible.
///

I have it on a prime authority never in history has fire melted steel.
///

392 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:00:46pm

re: #383 jcm

Last thread I pointed out Census is in Article I of the Constitution Powers of the Legislative Branch.

The Executive Branch is Article II.

Clearly, blatantly an unconstitutional power grab.

The (R)s better pull their heads out and file suit.

Don't worry, the census will be outsourced to ACORN.

/

393 summergurl  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:01:10pm

This morning on FOX they said Bo started his Heartland tour with Indiana because they have lost so many jobs in the RV industry. An RV spokesperson said it was because people could not get financing to purchase RV's and the stimulus bill would help it.

Ridiculous - People aren't buying RV's for two reasons;

1. Gas prices. They may be low now, but we all remember the 5 bucks a gallon summer. If it happened once and it will happen again - same reason folks don't want to buy SUV's.

2. With all this doom and gloom, who wants to spend money on an RV? The word crisis does not bode well for folks to loosen up on the purse strings to make big unnecessary purchases,

394 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:02:35pm

re: #383 jcm

Last thread I pointed out Census is in Article I of the Constitution Powers of the Legislative Branch.

The Executive Branch is Article II.

Clearly, blatantly an unconstitutional power grab.

The (R)s better pull their heads out and file suit.

This sounds like a job for Michael Steele. [Cue Superman music.]

395 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:02:37pm

re: #387 mikalm

In S.F. there's a billboard that the Freedom from Religion folks sponsor, It's got a stained-glass motif, and spells out in Gothic letters, "Imagine No Religion." I always wonder if they understood the context of that quote, and would terribly object if I ransacked their offices in the name of "Imagine No Possessions."

LOL...

396 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:02:50pm

re: #379 mikalm

LOL! I'm a California native, and am always amused by the CA/PacNW rivalry. Although I think there's some truth to the assertion above that a lot of our moonbats migrated up there when L.A. got too Third-Worldized, and the Bay Area got too expensive. Their local nut-Leftists seem to be more violent than ours, too -- demos up there are far more likely to turn into actual riots than the ones down here.

I would concede that, certainly. This past October 31st, a local lefty free newspaper published photographs and addresses of homes on Mercer Island (where Paul Allen lives, among others) that had McCain signs in the yards...with sort of "wink, wink" text, implying that it would be a good time to teach these people a lesson. I believe there may even have been Google maps links to the homes in the online version, though I could be wrong about that detail. (It was called "Hell Houses", and it has been pulled - but only after the publishers were similarly intimidated by email.)

They're pretty nuts up here. I wouldn't risk putting a conservative bumper sticker on my car.

397 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:03:15pm

re: #393 summergurl

This morning on FOX they said Bo started his Heartland tour with Indiana because they have lost so many jobs in the RV industry. An RV spokesperson said it was because people could not get financing to purchase RV's and the stimulus bill would help it.

Ridiculous - People aren't buying RV's for two reasons;

1. Gas prices. They may be low now, but we all remember the 5 bucks a gallon summer. If it happened once and it will happen again - same reason folks don't want to buy SUV's.

2. With all this doom and gloom, who wants to spend money on an RV? The word crisis does not bode well for folks to loosen up on the purse strings to make big unnecessary purchases,

still RV parks are jammed full from Florida to Arizona all winter

398 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:05:06pm

re: #384 Soona'

When I lived in the Sea-Tac area back in the middle 70's, it was very conservative. It was all the libtards from CA that turned it liberal. Too bad. It's a beautiful state.

Ah. I haven't been here that long (I moved here in '81 to work with a group of musicians, and never looked back, though I occasionally dream of bailing now) - that's good background to know.

399 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:05:46pm

re: #396 capitalist piglet

Yes, I remember that story got featured on LGF.

The equivalent here in the Bay Area is where SFGate (the online version of the Chronicle) has a front-page link to the names and addresses of everyone who sent money to the Yes on 8 anti-gay-marriage campaign. Legal, yes, but the prominence and focus on one side of one issue makes it look like intimidation.

400 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:06:05pm

re: #393 summergurl

This morning on FOX they said Bo started his Heartland tour with Indiana because they have lost so many jobs in the RV industry. An RV spokesperson said it was because people could not get financing to purchase RV's and the stimulus bill would help it.

Ridiculous - People aren't buying RV's for two reasons;

1. Gas prices. They may be low now, but we all remember the 5 bucks a gallon summer. If it happened once and it will happen again - same reason folks don't want to buy SUV's.

2. With all this doom and gloom, who wants to spend money on an RV? The word crisis does not bode well for folks to loosen up on the purse strings to make big unnecessary purchases,

There's more common sense in your statement than there is in the entire democratic platform.
I know it's cliche to speak of common sense being uncommon but seriously...how did so many of us lose all semblance of it...?
We need to figure out a way to recapture it. One of the keys is to distill its plain wisdom into bumper sticker sized phrases...

401 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:06:15pm
402 jcm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:06:26pm

re: #392 Occasional Reader

Don't worry, the census will be outsourced to ACORN.

/

I don't think that's sarc... it may come true...
After they succeed at the census, they can run the elections...

403 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:06:57pm

re: #393 summergurl

2. With all this doom and gloom, who wants to spend money on an RV? The word crisis does not bode well for folks to loosen up on the purse strings to make big unnecessary purchases,

You're talking like an RV is a luxury item. Don't let Winnebago and Fleetwood here you say that.

404 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:07:28pm

re: #391 jcm

I have it on a prime authority never in history has fire melted steel.
///

only the most ignorant (re: neocons) believe that fire can melt steel. The rest of us know better.

405 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:08:09pm

re: #393 summergurl

2. With all this doom and gloom, who wants to spend money on an RV?

If that's true, this guy is in big trouble (LINK EXTREMELY WORK- AND CHILD UNFRIENDLY!)

406 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:09:23pm

Related to this "truth and reconciliation" bullshit, look what I just found in the op-ed section of my local newspaper: No pass for Bush.

Yup! That's what we all need to do -- hold no one in the Bush administration accountable for war crimes, for approving torture, for lying about weapons of mass destruction, for voter fraud and multiple cover-ups. Finding truth is counterproductive. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says so, Republicans say so, and now so does The Tribune ("Change: Obama begins to define it," Our View, Jan. 18).

Fine! But let's be fair: If "the law" doesn't apply to the well-connected and powerful, it should be equally unapplied to the rest of us. Since incarceration is "fixing blame for the past," every arsonist, burglar, serial killer, rapist and drug dealer now caged should be freed. All trials should end because we should focus on the future.

Think of the message and example of this pass on Bush: If laws are to be ignored by the powerful, what binds us inferiors to them? The fear of anarchy? So it would be if we followed the examples of our "leaders." Fortunately for us (and them), we aren't so arrogant.

If the name were Bundy and not Bush, and he was a mall cop and not president, would we be having this argument?

Paul Ames

Eureka

As Charles says, there's a bad crazy on the loose out there.

407 jcm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:10:10pm

re: #404 Eowyn2

only the most ignorant (re: neocons) believe that fire can melt steel. The rest of us know better.

You mean my authority, Rosie, might be wrong?
Damn, I wonder what else I have wrong...
*runs out to the mail box for my unicorn*
/

408 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:10:39pm

re: #403 CyanSnowHawk

You're talking like an RV is a luxury item. Don't let Winnebago and Fleetwood here you say that.

there is a growing population of folks selling property and living full time in their RVs...they are just not upgrading right now as they did before...the market is flooded with high end RVs because the manufacturers try to sell them like cars...another industry that needs to get real and lean down...imo

409 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:11:07pm

re: #399 mikalm

Yes, I remember that story got featured on LGF.

The equivalent here in the Bay Area is where SFGate (the online version of the Chronicle) has a front-page link to the names and addresses of everyone who sent money to the Yes on 8 anti-gay-marriage campaign. Legal, yes, but the prominence and focus on one side of one issue makes it look like intimidation.

Yes indeed - and there's a website you may have seen with pinpoints of every address, name, and occupation/business of each contributor. Very intimidating, I agree.

410 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:13:15pm

re: #399 mikalm

Yes, I remember that story got featured on LGF.

The equivalent here in the Bay Area is where SFGate (the online version of the Chronicle) has a front-page link to the names and addresses of everyone who sent money to the Yes on 8 anti-gay-marriage campaign. Legal, yes, but the prominence and focus on one side of one issue makes it look like intimidation.

It doesn't just look like intimidation. It IS intimidation. I know I'd be very hesitant to support an unpopular cause if I thought it would get me killed.

411 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:14:21pm

re: #406 Fat Jolly Penguin

Right. Because, you know, mall cops are frequently involved in foreign policy decisions.

412 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:14:42pm

Pretzel Logic


413 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:15:18pm

re: #63 Cato the Elder

An Eliot thread! You have no idea how long I've waited for this!

TS

414 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:16:48pm
415 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:17:10pm

Hannity is interviewing Arlen Spector...
Sounds like he hasn't read the Porkulus Bill...
...Arlen Sphincter...

416 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:17:53pm

re: #408 albusteve

there is a growing population of folks selling property and living full time in their RVs...they are just not upgrading right now as they did before...the market is flooded with high end RVs because the manufacturers try to sell them like cars...another industry that needs to get real and lean down...imo

Mrs. Hawk and I used to own one. In fact, I have a pad for it in my front yard, complete with power (50A 240VAC) and sewer hookups. It made a nice guest room, but we sold it when we quit using it a couple years ago.

We still keep up on the industry. We're seeing discounts for several new ones that we looked at ranging from $30-60k. Some are as much as 40% less than we would have paid 2 years ago. Some of the smaller manufacturers are already dead or in bankruptcy, including Travel Supreme, King of the Road, National RV Holdings Inc., Western RV Inc. (makers of Alpenlite 5th wheels) and Alfa Leisure Inc.

417 albusteve  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:21:26pm

re: #416 CyanSnowHawk

Mrs. Hawk and I used to own one. In fact, I have a pad for it in my front yard, complete with power (50A 240VAC) and sewer hookups. It made a nice guest room, but we sold it when we quit using it a couple years ago.

We still keep up on the industry. We're seeing discounts for several new ones that we looked at ranging from $30-60k. Some are as much as 40% less than we would have paid 2 years ago. Some of the smaller manufacturers are already dead or in bankruptcy, including Travel Supreme, King of the Road, National RV Holdings Inc., Western RV Inc. (makers of Alpenlite 5th wheels) and Alfa Leisure Inc.

deservedly so...most RVs even at the high end are ridiculously over priced junk...like boats...I've owned two RVs and a few boats...junk

418 mikalm  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:23:03pm

re: #410 doppelganglander

It doesn't just look like intimidation. It IS intimidation. I know I'd be very hesitant to support an unpopular cause if I thought it would get me killed.

Irony Alert:

I was just reading the memoirs of Rev. Troy Perry, the founder & head of the gay-oriented Metropolitan Community Church. He was talking about the Church's history in the 70s, and said that one of its biggest causes (so much for keeping religion out of politics!) was fighting Proposition 6 back in 1978. Prop 6 was a measure that would have banned gays and lesbians from working as public schoolteachers, and had a lot of initial traction because of the usual irrational fears about child molesting queers, etc.

Anyway, Rev. Perry was talking about fundraising to fight it. He said that part of the initial problem was that if you donated $50 or more to any political cause, your name and address went into the public record. Because people were afraid of being identified with a gay-linked cause, they kept donating $49.99 checks so that they could stay anonymous. Perry and other gay activists encouraged people to stand up for their beliefs, and go on the record for the greater good of "human rights" by donating big amounts to fight it.

So thirty years later, we have the same movement turning that whole scenario around, and using the public-exposure tactic to intimidate anyone who might disagree with them on the gay-marriage issue for any reason at all, even beyond the oversimplified label of "homophobia."

And people wonder why I'm a cynic, and a believer in the immutable crappiness of human nature, especially in politics...

419 gregg  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:24:29pm

re: #393 summergurl

This morning on FOX they said Bo started his Heartland tour with Indiana because they have lost so many jobs in the RV industry. An RV spokesperson said it was because people could not get financing to purchase RV's and the stimulus bill would help it.

What the heck, BO is pro-RV? Aren't they gas guzzling, global warming inducing vehicles. I would think for a moonbat, that would be a reason to oppose the stimulus.

420 summergurl  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:25:51pm

re: #403 CyanSnowHawk

You're talking like an RV is a luxury item. Don't let Winnebago and Fleetwood here you say that.

Yeah and then they will call the Sea Ray folks and the whole outdoor motor vehicle industry will be on my tail...

421 Dianna  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:28:12pm

re: #299 Killgore Trout

I'd have dumped the bike at least five times on that trail, never mind that I'd never, ever have taken it that fast.

Wow!

422 kansas  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:31:04pm

Think this will be on Saturday Night Live? Me neither.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

423 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:32:00pm

Mr. Obama- Wars Don't End, They are Won or Lost


424 calcajun  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:35:45pm

re: #422 kansas

Bush falling off a Segeway--funny
Gerry Ford falling, well anywhere--funny
BHO whacking his head on a helicopter--BLASPHEMY!

425 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:36:31pm

re: #424 calcajun

Bush falling off a Segeway--funny
Gerry Ford falling, well anywhere--funny
BHO whacking his head on a helicopter--BLASPHEMY!

Nope...Priceless...:)

426 tradewind  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 2:43:18pm

[Link: www.city-journal.org...]
This should be inserted at the top of BHO's PDB, as soon as possible. Also, required reading for every member of Congress, before they cast one more vote.

We should resurrect Locke’s distinction between liberty and license and make it absolutely clear to our children that liberty is a form of order, not a license for anarchy and self-indulgence. We should cease to mock the things that mattered to our parents and grandparents, and we should be proud of what they achieved. This is not arrogance but a just recognition of our privileges.

We should also drop all the multicultural waffling that has so confused public life in the West and reaffirm the core idea of social membership in the Western tradition, which is the idea of citizenship. By sending out the message that we believe in what we have, are prepared to share it, but are not prepared to see it destroyed, we do the only thing that we can do to defuse the current conflict.

427 Seerak  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:38:42pm

Huge building in Beijing burns.

It doesn't fall down.

Troofer flareup in 3, 2, 1,...

428 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:50:44pm

re: #424 calcajun

Bush falling off a Segeway--funny
Gerry Ford falling, well anywhere--funny
BHO whacking his head on a helicopter--BLASPHEMY!

Humorous blasphemy is still humorous.

429 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 3:53:00pm

re: #389 CyanSnowHawk

Perhaps they are jealous of how strong the CA economy was before the libs began destroying it. That's a hard reputation to live with, always being considered the also-rans of the liberal movement.

Point taken. I've gotten the same vibe when I've watched the news and read the paper while staying in the Portland area...there's a sort of weird resentment of Seattle, it seems, like they don't like being Seattle's little liberal brother.

Liberals seems to screw up much of what they get their hands on, and they apparently like the attention they get from it.

430 Hobbes  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:01:45pm

re: #136 Honorary Yooper

Heh. Being in Illinois, I don't have much hope for my Senators either. One's a Dickhead, and the other's a Tombstone.

Very, very good. Ding, ding...

431 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 9, 2009 4:49:20pm
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