Arab Pundit Praises Hitler for the Holocaust

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Another Arab pundit justifies the Holocaust; Essa bin Mohammed Al Zedjali’s take is that the Jews deserved genocide: How Israel became a terrorist state. Absolutely vile.

It is illustrative to browse through the relevant pages of history to know the real history of the Jews in Germany. You would then come to know why Hitler had taken harsh measures against them. The entire economy of Germany, including banks, publishing houses, jewellery stores, light and heavy industries and almost all economic organisations of consequence, was under the total control of the Jews.

They muddied every aspect of the economy by perpetrating fraud after fraud on common people. This unprepossessing situation annoyed the German citizens no end and impelled Hitler to punish the Jews for their bad deeds.

The United States today finds itself in the same predicament as Germany back then. Now in the US, the Jews wield enormous control over all important decisions, whether they relate to politics, economy or media. No American citizen is free today to utter a single word about international or even national issues. This is the reason the American views on various issues being relayed to the world through the media are in fact the views of the Jews.

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593 comments
1 Oingo Boingo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:47:27am

schweinhunden

2 Ariel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:47:38am

If Jews had that much control over the media, would the media be obsessing about every hair on every Palestinian's head? I don't think so.

3 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:48:05am

The United States today finds itself in the same predicament as Germany back then.

Really? I doubt we'll start building concentration camps, Essa. Piece of detritus.

4 MarineGrunt  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:48:06am

They did, they didn't, I'm confused.

5 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:49:22am

Well, Streicher deserved to hang (and he did).

I wonder if Abu Julius here actually produced the English version himself or if he had a ghost writer and, if so, who?

6 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:50:14am

I look forward to the day when people like this are no longer heard from.

7 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:51:05am

This totally defies logic. If the Jews were *that* powerful, how did Hitler gain the power to destroy them?

Oh, wait. I'm applying logic to the bilge from a Jew-hating bastard. My bad.

8 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:51:36am
9 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:52:58am

Why did European Jews enter the professions in which they were engaged? Because European law forbade them from engaging in other occupations. And of course, when they did well in them, they must be criticized for daring to do so, and by the selfsame people who wouldn't allow them to work in others.

10 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:53:10am

Essa Bin Asshat and his piece of written diarrhea can go straight to hell.

11 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:54:44am
12 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:54:58am

re: #10 Jetpilot1101

Essa Bin Asshat and his piece of written diarrhea can go straight to hell.

I have a feeling that's in the cards.

13 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:55:17am

I decline to click on the link. Thanks for wading through that swamp on our behalf, C.J.

14 lifeofthemind  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:55:33am

I am getting seriously "annoyed" myself.

If, if , if.

If we had avoided getting stuck with Obama then the chance was that over the next eight years the technological revolutions and the growth of new energy sources, combined with the draw down of oil reserves under Islamist control, would have begun to reduce the threat of Islamist supremacy to to a bad memory. Eventually these unproductive parasites will be left to fester in the backwaters they create. Unfortunately they are now free to run wild and threaten all across the earth.

15 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:55:36am

re: #1 Oingo Boingo

schweinhunden

You're too nice to them.
On the other hand, both pigs and dogs are haram, so maybe not.

16 gymmom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:55:42am

From the article:

No American citizen is free today to utter a single word about international or even national issues.

Wow, when were we going to find out?

17 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:55:48am

re: #2 Ariel

Yo!

Long time no see.

18 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:55:48am
19 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:55:52am

And yet they parade around Israeli flags with swastikas.
Don't try to rationalize any of this, it's a useless exercise.

20 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:55:59am

Good Morning Charles! Wow - you're certainly up and at 'em EARLY this morning! Hope you're getting enough sleep Charles. Betcha it was that Kindle wasn't it?!

And I gotta say these effin Anti-Semites need to come up with new material:

The entire economy of Germany, including banks, publishing houses, jewellery stores, light and heavy industries and almost all economic organisations of consequence, was under the total control of the Jews.

They muddied every aspect of the economy by perpetrating fraud after fraud on common people. This unprepossessing situation annoyed the German citizens no end and impelled Hitler to punish the Jews for their bad deeds.

Same old, same old. Economy going down the crapper (or in the case of Arabs never been out of the crapper)? Blame the Jews! Doesn't matter if it isn't true, enough people don't like Jews anyway, and they'll all believe it anyway!
POS.

21 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:56:47am
No American citizen is free today to utter a single word about international or even national issues. This is the reason the American views on various issues being relayed to the world through the media are in fact the views of the Jews.

I wasn't aware of this, did something change? Is Obama Jewish?

Someone needs to clue in the MSM about their viewpoints about Israel.

22 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:57:16am

re: #3 Wyatt Earp

The United States today finds itself in the same predicament as Germany back then.

Really? I doubt we'll start building concentration camps, Essa. Piece of detritus.

I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure.
I do think there will be a significant number of Americans who support Jews, unlike in Germany.

23 Sabnen  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:57:17am

"We the Arabs know and, in fact, the entire world knows, the historical truth that the Jewish people had been a scattered lot with no homeland of their own as they had been living in other people’s lands."

Watch out! Genius at work!

Jews apparently spontaneously generated 'in other people's homelands' all around the world. Wow! Neat trick!

I'm guessing the Diaspora and all that occurred before didn't really happen. This guy writes really bad fiction . . .

24 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:57:34am
25 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:58:22am

Sorry for the early OT:

How do you say "whoopsie" in Mandarin?


BEIJING -- National broadcaster China Central Television said a fireworks display organized by one of its own employees set off a blaze that destroyed a 44-story building adjacent to its iconic new headquarters in Beijing.

Fire authorities in Beijing said the fireworks were high-explosive devices that were set off illegally Monday evening during celebrations to mark the end of the Lunar New Year holiday. One firefighter died after inhaling toxic fumes while battling the fire and seven other people were injured.

CCTV issued a statement Tuesday saying one of its employees hired a company without authorization to let off fireworks in a compound that houses the Television Cultural Center building, which was gutted by the blaze. That building – in the shape of a silver boot -- is next door to the landmark $800 million CCTV tower, which appears to be undamaged, according to a fire department official on the scene Tuesday.

I'd say this is definitely going to come up on someone's performance review.

26 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:58:35am

re: #24 buzzsawmonkey

Such work will set you free.

27 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:59:05am

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, you should. It is good to see the enemy plain.

My employer would be upset if I hit their computer, so I'll pass on reading it.

28 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:59:59am

Anyone curious to know more about the man who wrote this? You can google his name and find more of the disgusting Jew-hating lies that he periodically spews into the world via this newspaper, the Times of Oman, which he apparently founded. It turns out he has also worked for Oman's government in various capacities:

Essa bin Mohammed Al Zedjali was born in 1939 in Muscat. He had his primary education at Al Saidiyah School in Muscat. His went for further studies to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia where he worked for Aramco from 1954 to 1956. He joined PDO as a director in Fahud (1956-1958).

From 1959 to 1968, he was head of the Manuscripts Department at the Ministry of Post, Telegraph and Phone in Kuwait. He worked as a secretary at the Oil Department in Abu Dhabi (1969-1972).

In February 1972, he joined the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Sultanate of Oman as director of Consular Affairs and was appointed the first consul general for the Sultanate in Bombay (1974- 1979).

In 1975, he founded the Al Essa Printing and Publishing House (currently Muscat Press and Publishing House). He founded the Times of Oman, the first English newspaper in the Sultanate and continues to be its editor-in-chief.

The writer was a member of the Consultancy Council for two terms (1985-1989), member of the OCCI for eight years, and member of the Commercial Disputes Settlement Authority for six years.

He was also the Sultanate’s honorary consul to the Philippines (1989-1994) and a member of the International Press Organisation and the Gulf Press Organisation.

29 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:00:00am
30 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:00:08am

re: #24 buzzsawmonkey

I guess he can't really look at the Bayer facts, and has to drink deeply from the Krupp of illusion.

That Thiessen with the mindset we've seen from these nutjobs in the past.

31 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:00:11am

This is the same inverted "logic" that radical Muslims apply to pretty much everything. After all, they are deeply spiritual holy men - it's the rest of the world that's wrong. Why'd they rape that woman? She was "uncovered meat" who deserved it. Why'd they blow up that Tube station, airport, hospital, wedding, or pizzeria? It was filled with non-Muslims were begging for a bombing by flaunting their infidel ways. Why'd they riot over cartoons about their propensity to riot? Infidels made them. Why'd they pal around with Hitler and give sanctuary to his murderous death camp doctors? Because the Jews forced them to hate Jews. We're innocent, it's the rest of the world that's guilty!

32 KibbyKat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:00:13am

re: #24 buzzsawmonkey

I guess he can't really look at the Bayer facts, and has to drink deeply from the Krupp of illusion.

I've heard this Spiegel before.

33 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:00:21am

All these anti-semites have been saying we control the economy, the media, industry, but where's my cut? I've been a schnoz carrying member for 31 years and haven't seen a single cent from this conspiracy I'm involved in. does anybody know the toll-free number for the Elders of Zion conspiracy HQ?

34 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:00:32am

re: #21 jorline

I wasn't aware of this, did something change? Is Obama Jewish?

Someone needs to clue in the MSM about their viewpoints about Israel.

To Jew-haters like these, the fact that even the MSM isn't calling for wiping out Israel (just letting them get killed off slowly), is "support" for Israel.

35 Claudia  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:00:59am

Well, this brings to mind the popular joke/story of the Jew who only reads the Arab press... because it states that the Jews own everything, control everything etc... whereas our (Israeli) own press states the often sad truth...

36 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:01:25am

Just to make sure...

Arab Pundit ≠ Allah Pundit, right?

37 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:01:46am

These people are taught from Birth to hate the infidels, especially JEWS. Even the "moderate" ones who crouch their language in a manner to appear acceptable to gullible ( read liberal ) westerners. This is something people like Obama just don't get. Why? I have no idea. But it bodes poorly for the future.

38 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:02:07am

re: #36 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Just to make sure...

Arab Pundit ≠ Allah Pundit, right?

To put it mildly.

39 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:02:14am
No American citizen is free today to utter a single word about international or even national issues.

Okay folks, from now on, all we can do around here is trade recipes and household cleaning tips. Anyone got a good one?

40 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:02:14am

If the Jews were a people without a home, why was mo in Jerusalem and why did he become so upset that the Jews didn't realize he was their messiah?

THis is like a bad movie that never stops, never changes.

41 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:02:47am
42 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:03:26am
No American citizen is free today to utter a single word about international or even national issues.

Dang! I did not know that. The things I learn from Arab Pundits.

43 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:04:23am

Unlike arabs who had no real homeland of their own, but invaded all of the middle east and stole everyones land.

44 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:04:30am

President Franklin D. Roosevelt: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

President Barack H. Obama: 'Do what I want, or the economy will melt, and you'll all die poor and alone.'

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

45 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:04:39am
46 rumcrook  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:05:08am

the irony is if the joooos were as responsible for the ills of the world as they are portrayed to be, they would be muslims.

47 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:05:22am

re: #40 Teacake!
"If the Jews were a people without a home, why was mo in Jerusalem and why did he become so upset that the Jews didn't realize he was their messiah?

This is like a bad movie that never stops, never changes."
Amen to that - it's the same old message, just seems that they occasionally change the messenger, ya know?

48 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:05:46am

"the Arabs will continue to wallow in their weakness"

I think he got that part right ...

49 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:05:55am

re: #46 rumcrook
ROTFLMAO!

50 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:06:01am

re: #34 Kosh's Shadow

To Jew-haters like these, the fact that even the MSM isn't calling for wiping out Israel (just letting them get killed off slowly), is "support" for Israel.

It's very hard to find a single positive article about Israel. Al Zedjali needs to provide a link about these claims.

51 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:06:23am

This is standard Jew-hate. I hear it inside leftist circles as well.

52 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:06:49am

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

Mohammed was really upset that the roadside attraction of the World's Biggest Tefillin in Mecca was not getting the tourist traffic he thought it should.

He should have hired Pedro as a marketing consultant.

53 coquimbojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:07:00am

The open acceptance of Hitler makes me sick. And our left will dismiss it....

54 gymmom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:07:01am

re: #39 Last Mohican
Made this for the first time last night. Yummy.

[Link: www.publix.com...]

55 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:07:19am
56 rumcrook  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:07:21am

re: #49 realwest

thanks realwest, lol I may be a broken clock but im right at least twice a day...

57 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:07:22am

It does sound like this guy is hoping the world believes that what is going on now in the collapse of things, that Jews are just as responsible now as they were then and I guess he wants the rest of us who never made it in ovens last time, will this time.

58 Timbre  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:07:24am

No, Essa bin Mohammed Al Zedjali, you blathering Jihadidiot, I control the world! And I am an infidel agnostic. Send your Mujahideen goons after me you pork-faced son of a monkey. No! That's an insult to pigs and monkeys! You are just a hypocritical, back-biting, innovator who is doomed to death and an eternity in Hell!

59 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:08:01am

re: #53 coquimbojoe

The open acceptance of Hitler makes me sick. And our left will dismiss it....

Unless the "Hitler" in question is GWB.

//

60 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:08:19am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

Irresponsible fear-mongering is not all that presidential. Now that I think about it, weren't we promised a calm, cool, post-partisan president?

61 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:08:26am

Morning Realwest! Hope all is going well.

62 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:09:19am

re: #53 coquimbojoe

The open acceptance of Hitler makes me sick. And our left will dismiss secretly embrace it....

63 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:09:28am

Meanwhile, I wonder what the 0bamanation administration told Iran to get this response:
Ahmadinejad says talks with US possible

On the topic of cognitive dissonance, here are a couple of Ahmadmanonjihad's lines from the article:

"If you really want to fight terrorism, come and cooperate with the Iranian nation, which is the biggest victim of terrorism, so that terrorism is eliminated. ... If you want to confront nuclear weapons ... you need to stand beside Iran so it can introduce a correct path to you," he said.

So how many homicide bombings and rocket attacks have there been in Teheran in the past few years?

And Iran is supposed to "introduce a correct path to you"? Da'wa, I guess.

64 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:09:51am

BBIAM!

65 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:10:04am

re: #54 gymmom

Mmmm. Wonder if there's a breakfast version.

66 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:10:06am
67 MJ  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:10:57am

Meanwhile, more British Jew-hate:

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

68 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:11:01am

It seems that Jews are to Arabs, what Bush is to Liberals, the fault for everything.

69 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:12:25am

The democrats don't care about the elderly.
They are inconvenient to their corruptocrat's new social order.

70 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:12:37am

OT, and forgive me if this was discussed somewhere in the overnight thread, but it's a pretty decent recap of what's wrong with the stimulus bill:

The Top Six Problems With the Stimulus

My favorite lines:

The sheer cyclopean size of this stimulus package, which comes up to roughly 1.2 trillion dollars when you add in the interest over 10 years, is difficult for most people to comprehend. How big is it? As Mitch McConnell said,

"If you started spending the day that Jesus was born and you spent a million dollars every single day, you still wouldn't have spent a trillion dollars."

71 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:12:41am
72 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:12:45am

Screw all these guys... Not worth the time or effot to pay attention to these slugs. They can go to hell...

73 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:12:57am

The Juice! Head for the hills, the Juice are coming!
[hey, isn't OJ the Juice?]

74 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:13:01am

re: #3 Wyatt Earp

The United States today finds itself in the same predicament as Germany back then.

Really? I doubt we'll start building concentration camps, Essa. Piece of detritus.

H.R. 645 January 22, 2009: To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure--

Swing your paranoia round-an-round;
let'er go and Doe-See-Doe.... ;-)

75 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:13:01am

re: #68 opnion

It seems that Jews are to Arabs, what Bush is to Liberals, the fault for everything.

I heard a rumor Bush was the one who pushed steroids on A-Rod?

76 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:13:18am

re: #63 Kosh's Shadow

you need to stand beside Iran so it can introduce a correct path to you," he said

So, to recap:

The new American President begs a repressive jihadist theocracy to please, please talk to us.

After spitting in his face a couple of times in reply, the lead psychopath of said theocracy grudgingly suggests that maybe we'll deign to talk... as long as you stupid, filthy infidels do what we say.

Did I miss anything?

77 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:13:35am

re: #70 subsailor68

I just was listening to FNC and Bill Hemmer was hammering Sen. John Tester on the healthcare provision... Tester had no idea it was in there... Did not believe it was in there... Did not read the bill...

This is a scam...

78 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:14:06am

re: #74 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Swing your paranoia round-an-round;
let'er go and Doe-See-Doe.... ;-)

Will they be named the FDR Memorial Internment Camps?

/////

79 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:14:08am

re: #67 MJ

Meanwhile, more British Jew-hate:

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

Wow.

Threadworthy.

80 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:14:20am

Drudge has this up:
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan

81 coquimbojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:14:23am

re: #62 Kenneth

Secretly?

82 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:14:52am

re: #75 Nevergiveup

I heard a rumor Bush was the one who pushed steroids on A-Rod?


It's not a rumor. He made A-Rod destroy the Twin Towers, as well. And while we're at it, you do know that Bush is really a secret Jew, don't you? [it's all over the Arab Street]

83 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:15:06am

From [Link: www.gopbloggers.org...]

"The curse of the Jews, Dennis said, is to be hated by the most evil men of every generation. The Jews are a barometer of hatred, canaries in a coal mine: to find the greatest evil, find the greatest haters of Jews."...

I'm not sure how far back this can be extended; is it merely a twentieth-century phenomenon? Dennis believes it is "God's plan," presumably the downside of being the "chosen people." But as a secularist, I don't buy arguments merely from Biblical authority.

I would love to see a historian do a study of the most evil regimes in human history prior to the twentieth century, when such can be identified, and see whether they also hated Jews.

84 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:15:16am
85 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:15:25am

re: #76 Occasional Reader

So, to recap:

The new American President begs a repressive jihadist theocracy to please, please talk to us.

After spitting in his face a couple of times in reply, the lead psychopath of said theocracy grudgingly suggests that maybe we'll deign to talk... as long as you stupid, filthy infidels do what we say.

Did I miss anything?

You got it.
And the 0ne's actions don't give me a lot of hope he's going to do the right thing here.

86 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:15:32am

re: #77 tfc3rid

I just was listening to FNC and Bill Hemmer was hammering Sen. John Tester on the healthcare provision... Tester had no idea it was in there... Did not believe it was in there... Did not read the bill...

This is a scam...

Man, glad you heard that. This is it in a nutshell. Tester is supposed to vote on this, and doesn't even know what's in it. If he ends up voting for it, someone should remind him of that interview.

87 opinionated  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:15:40am
No American citizen is free today to utter a single word about international or even national issues.

Will someone please send a memo to Jimmy Carter

88 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:16:12am

re: #44 Nevergiveup

Franklin D. Roosevelt: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

Barack H. Obama: 'Do what I want, or the economy will melt, and you'll all die poor and alone. And by the way, shame on those Republicans for their "politics of fear."'

I added a little bit for you there.

89 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:16:23am
90 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:17:03am

re: #87 opinionated

Will someone please send a memo to Jimmy Carter

I'd like to send him a memo. All I'd need is four words: STFU.

91 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:17:09am

re: #71 Tazzerman


Did you threaten him with the Zionist Penis-Shrinking Ray?

92 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:17:36am

re: #71 Tazzerman

Oops, that's gonna get deleted.

Charles doesn't allow posting anyone's email address. What you gotta do is post a link to wherever you found the email address instead.

93 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:17:44am

re: #86 subsailor68

Man, glad you heard that. This is it in a nutshell. Tester is supposed to vote on this, and doesn't even know what's in it. If he ends up voting for it, someone should remind him of that interview.

Tester said if something like that is in the bill, I Would not vote for it... So he's on the hook, big time...

Sad that these asshats have no clue what is in the largest single spending bill in American history...

94 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:18:02am

re: #79 Occasional Reader

Wow.

Threadworthy.

I agree.

95 Albigensian  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:18:06am

It's certainly no mystery that pathetic losers often feel the need to blame someone, anyone (other than themselves) for their lack of achievement.

What remains a perennial mystery is why it is almost always Jews who get blamed first.

Apparently, logic is as unnecessary as truth: after all, if you believe that Jews have everything and Muslims have nothing, why would you not fix your blame on Allah for failing to provide for His faithful?

96 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:18:22am

re: #78 Wyatt Earp

Will they be named the FDR Memorial Internment Camps?

/////

LOL

97 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:18:24am

re: #69 FrogMarch

The democrats don't care about the elderly.
They are inconvenient to their corruptocrat's new social order.

Sneaky bastards.

98 Alouenghazi  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:18:26am

"The Jews deserved it" is the new Holocaust denial.

99 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:18:29am

Ahh, yes. The Federal Judiciary. Ignoring Reality Since, well, forever....

Calif. seeks massive inmate release to relieve overcrowding

I love that headline. It's not even true. California was ordered to cut overcrowding. Execute a few death row inmates, that will cut overcrowding.

100 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:18:31am
101 opinionated  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:18:56am

Islamic Arab
Vile

Wow. Someone notify Ripley's Believe it or not.

102 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:18:58am

re: #82 Golem Akbar

It's not a rumor. He made A-Rod destroy the Twin Towers, as well. And while we're at it, you do know that Bush is really a secret Jew, don't you? [it's all over the Arab Street]

Gee he didn't look Jewish? But Cheney.........?

103 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:19:00am

re: #88 Last Mohican

I added a little bit for you there.

This bill is not flying well in the Denver area. Lot's of negative comments from everyday citizens and professionals on the radio this morning.

It doesn't matter, this will pass anyway. No one listened to the public when it was time to vote for TARP, no one is going to listen to the public on this stimulus.

So, who's your favorite politician in Washington? Who's listening to you?

104 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:19:04am
I would love to see a historian do a study of the most evil regimes in human history prior to the twentieth century, when such can be identified, and see whether they also hated Jews.

HUH? Pretty much widespread thoughout Europe for at least 2 thousand years, if not 3 or 4.

105 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:19:14am

re: #75 Nevergiveup

I heard a rumor Bush was the one who pushed steroids on A-Rod?

Oh yeah, that's been common knowlege for some time.
The reason that the Rangers traded Sammy Sosa to the White Sox Is because Sosa wouldn't take steroids. Oh, wait a minute........

106 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:19:24am

re: #80 FrogMarch

Drudge has this up:
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan

Great link! Where I live in Texas, we have a wonderful little hospital, with great doctors and nurses. However, we also have a VA hospital. I really fear that, if these kinds of healthcare policies are implemented, the government will decide that this area doesn't need both, and funnel money to the VA to buoy that institution, while bleeding (through Medicare denials) our little hospital to the point it's forced to close.

107 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:19:29am

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

True, but now you're gonna get deleted too, because you quoted the offending post.

Charles is gonna have a lot of work to do when he wakes up. Especially if he has to comply with the new policy by deleting all posts about national or international affairs.

108 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:19:35am

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Walter, and don't make Stinky's job harder than it is. You did it again. ;-)

109 Timbre  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:20:14am

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

I think we need to ask Charles for a ruling. Items you list above which are already public information on the Internet might be exempted. Especially if the item belongs to an obvious enemy of LGF.

110 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:20:18am

re: #76 Occasional Reader

Did I miss anything?

You missed the part where Obama's ingenious new argument and winning smile convinces the Iranians to stop their nuclear weapons program, cease supporting terrorism and become positive members of the world community.

/ x 1000

111 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:20:28am

re: #99 acwgusa

Ahh, yes. The Federal Judiciary. Ignoring Reality Since, well, forever....

Calif. seeks massive inmate release to relieve overcrowding

I love that headline. It's not even true. California was ordered to cut overcrowding. Execute a few death row inmates, that will cut overcrowding.

It is the California version of 0bama's Gitmo plan.

112 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:20:28am
113 1SG(ret)  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:20:46am

Morning realwest! The rush to pass this monstrosity is an attempt to hide many things as I see it. Specter is an idiot. Says he has made a commitment and will not back away from that, so even if the health care provisions are not removed he will still vote for it. We're really screwed!

114 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:20:57am

First Reich - Rome
Ottoman Empire
countless other empires
Crusades
Inquisition
the list is endless

115 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:21:30am

re: #104 Teacake!

HUH? Pretty much widespread thoughout Europe for at least 2 thousand years, if not 3 or 4.

Not to diminish the long history of anti-Semitism in Europe, but I'm having trouble thinking of a European regime from four thousand years ago that engaged in it.

116 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:21:34am

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

Jimmy Carter will be explaining his "peace plan"--Act now! Before it is too late!--on WNYC, New York's NPR station, this afternoon.

You mean his final solution for Mideast peace?
Jew-hating peanut brain.

117 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:21:35am

re: #93 tfc3rid

Tester said if something like that is in the bill, I Would not vote for it... So he's on the hook, big time...

Sad that these asshats have no clue what is in the largest single spending bill in American history...

Hmm...like the "if something like that is in the bill..." - sounds like he still doesn't believe it. Sigh.

118 MJ  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:21:50am

re: #98 Alouette

"The Jews deserved it" is the new Holocaust denial.

That's the result of the charge of Deicide. Massacres, progroms, ghettos, "Wandering Jews" etc., can all be traced back to that.

119 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:21:58am

re: #69 FrogMarch
Indeed, please see my #715 on the dead thread today!

120 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:22:14am

re: #106 subsailor68

Great link! Where I live in Texas, we have a wonderful little hospital, with great doctors and nurses. However, we also have a VA hospital. I really fear that, if these kinds of healthcare policies are implemented, the government will decide that this area doesn't need both, and funnel money to the VA to buoy that institution, while bleeding (through Medicare denials) our little hospital to the point it's forced to close.

Whatever works - the democrats will be sure to kill it. You can count on it.

121 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:22:31am

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

Jimmy Carter will be explaining his "peace plan"--Act now! Before it is too late! to buy my new Jew-hating book! Operators are standing by!--on WNYC, New York's NPR station, this afternoon.

Jimmy Carter's busy selling something. He's more annoying than Billy Mays.

122 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:22:36am

re: #106 subsailor68

Great link! Where I live in Texas, we have a wonderful little hospital, with great doctors and nurses. However, we also have a VA hospital. I really fear that, if these kinds of healthcare policies are implemented, the government will decide that this area doesn't need both, and funnel money to the VA to buoy that institution, while bleeding (through Medicare denials) our little hospital to the point it's forced to close.

It doesn't matter; under government control, our entire health care system will be like the VA at its worst.

123 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:22:49am
124 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:23:20am

Just sayin OR - not sure when it first started, but after pissing off the Canaanites, pretty sure Jews didn't make a good impression. lol

125 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:23:26am

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Please don't post email addresses. As per Charles, rules above...

I refuse to click on the link, but if the author's e-mail is posted on the piece itself, I think Stinky makes an exception (I might be wrong). That, on the grounds that the author is publicizing his own contact information, so there's no "privacy violation" issue.

126 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:23:27am

re: #97 redstateredneck

Sneaky bastards.

From the Bloomberg article...

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Personally, I would like to know who the author of the article came up with that "opinion," since it is NOT a quote from Dashle.

I'm not saying it's not true, but the way it's framed, it's a "scare" paragraph, based on the writers opinion, not actual information.

127 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:23:45am
128 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:23:56am

re: #77 tfc3rid A HA! So this is where you went to! Hi ya tfc3rid - I left you a message at #768 on the prior thread.

129 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:23:57am

re: #111 Kosh's Shadow

It is the California version of 0bama's Gitmo plan.

Bah. Idiot lawyers said they prisoner's health care was bad, and they they were overcrowded. I swear to God, California has caught the stupidity disease.

130 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:24:04am

re: #113 1SG(ret)

Morning realwest! The rush to pass this monstrosity is an attempt to hide many things as I see it. Specter is an idiot. Says he has made a commitment and will not back away from that, so even if the health care provisions are not removed he will still vote for it. We're really screwed!

I see a cartoon with a nurse labeled "Government health care" about to insert a giant screw-shaped suppository in the patient.

131 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:24:23am

re: #108 Honorary Yooper

Walter, and don't make Stinky's job harder than it is. You did it again. ;-)

I know, and OR did too. Sorry.

132 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:24:24am

Hi all. I just went to Israellycool to check on the Israeli elections. To those who think that the Electoral College makes a simple process too complicated, trying to keep track of who's winning over there seems to be beyond everyone. The proportional system makes a ton of races important, apparently.
I think polls close shortly, does anyone know if Israeli "winners" and "losers" traditionally due acceptance/concession speeches on the evening of the election?

133 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:24:47am

re: #109 Timbre

That was my original thought -- if somebody posts his or her own email address on the internet, then we should be allowed to post it too. But I have learned that Charles doesn't feel that way, and I have come to believe that his policy makes more sense than mine. For example, what if he or she really didn't mean to post the address, and someone else leaked it? Or what if he or she now wishes to remove the email address and make it private again, but now it's forever archived publicly on LGF? With Charles' policy, whatever bad that happens isn't his fault or LGF's fault. And anyway, it's easy enough to just link to the page that has the email address.

134 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:24:49am

look what her is doing here.
acting as if it jews who restrict speech, or murder or maim.
the fact is, it is islamist scum who rampage thru the streets intimidating people.
rabid moslem jihadis are the reason that many people in the civilized world are not free to utter a single word or live a life in freedom.

he is trying to shift the focus to jews to disguise the miserable backward stone age mentality that islam seeks to visit on the world.
he is saying. 'oh look at the jews . . . while we chop heads."

135 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:25:09am

re: #120 FrogMarch

Whatever works - the democrats will be sure to kill it. You can count on it.

That's true. A few of our doc's moved to the VA because they were finding it harder and harder to stay afloat in a high-percentage Medicare environment. They don't much care for the way they are required to function over there.

136 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:25:50am

re: #132 Lincolntf

Hi all. I just went to Israellycool to check on the Israeli elections. To those who think that the Electoral College makes a simple process too complicated, trying to keep track of who's winning over there seems to be beyond everyone. The proportional system makes a ton of races important, apparently.
I think polls close shortly, does anyone know if Israeli "winners" and "losers" traditionally due acceptance/concession speeches on the evening of the election?

It's a parliamentary system, not that hard to understand. Many countries have that set up.

137 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:26:00am

re: #117 subsailor68

Hmm...like the "if something like that is in the bill..." - sounds like he still doesn't believe it. Sigh.

He doesn't believe it... He said that he had no heard that but believes if anything is in there like that it is meant to increase jobs by bringing healthcare into the 21st century.

138 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:26:08am

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

Jimmy Carter will be explaining his "peace plan"--Act now! Before it is too late!--on WNYC, New York's NPR station, this afternoon.

It'll be announced by Vince, the ShamWow Guy.

139 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:26:24am

re: #119 realwest

Indeed, please see my #715 on the dead thread today!

Hi, Real.
this!

140 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:26:34am

re: #127 buzzsawmonkey

Before that, there were some issues with the ancient Egyptians.

The reference was to "European" regimes.

141 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:26:35am

re: #122 Kosh's Shadow

It doesn't matter; under government control, our entire health care system will be like the VA at its worst.

Actually John Tester said that the VA has the right technology that all healthcare providers should have...

142 coquimbojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:26:41am

re: #129 acwgusa

Bah. Idiot lawyers said they prisoner's health care was bad, and they they were overcrowded. I swear to God, California has caught the stupidity disease.

I sold medical devices in California. Inmates got the same doctors (Mostly) as the rest of us. UC Davis had a contract with the state - its one of the best hospitals in the state. All an inmate had to do was claim that they were going to sue to get whatever they wanted. I am sure there are bad doctors involved with the prison system, but they get the same care as the rest of us.

143 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:26:47am

re: #103 Walter L. Newton
Good Morning Walter - don't know if you noticed, but I thanked you for your #529 on the Truck Driver's thread last night and I meant it. Damn good post.
Thank you again.

144 1SG(ret)  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:27:14am

re: #130 Kosh's Shadow
Kind of like what happens when I go to a Va medical center for help!

145 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:27:47am

re: #128 realwest

A HA! So this is where you went to! Hi ya tfc3rid - I left you a message at #768 on the prior thread.

Will check.

146 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:28:31am

re: #135 subsailor68

That's true. A few of our doc's moved to the VA because they were finding it harder and harder to stay afloat in a high-percentage Medicare environment. They don't much care for the way they are required to function over there.

The democrat philosophy is: Break it. Vilify competition and the free market. Sweep in with a government take-over.

147 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:28:43am
148 Morganfrost  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:28:58am

Irritating as hell. If, as a Jew, I'm going to be held personally responsible for all the important decisions made in the country, up to and including the level of freedom enjoyed by my fellow citizens, then I damn well want a salary commensurate with my responsibilities. Where's the justice?

149 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:29:18am

re: #106 subsailor68
Hey there my friend. If y'all don't mind, could you shoot me an e-mail - just use your LGF nic in the Subject to line (my nic, as usual, is in blue).
Thank you kindly!

150 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:29:27am

buzzsawmonkey - right, it just seemed from what quickjustice asked that nothing had been written about jew hate history prior to 20th cen Europe.

151 gymmom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:29:53am

Is there really no one in the MSM who thinks the truth is important? All of them just believe the plan put forth by the democrats is the best? so they are not going to report any facts or ask any questions, just wait and see if it works? Oooh, I guess this is where the "hope" part comes in!

152 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:29:58am

re: #80 FrogMarch

Drudge has this up:
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan

Employers & Health & Welfare funds practice medical cost containment now. The vast majority pay an access fee to get discounted medical care through a Preferred Provider Network.
There is also the implementation of Utilization Review, to confirm medical necessity and an appropriate length of stay.
What Dashle snuck in here looks like rationing not an effort to avoid medically unnessary care, seniors would just have to accept & suffer the ailments of aging, as an example.

153 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:30:09am

Just heard on radio (so no link), Bernie Madoff may be cutting some deal, partly, on his bullshit, which would include not having to admit any wrong doing.

IF I STOLE A LOAF OF BREAD, I'D GET SIX MONTHS.

What is it? There really is no fairness left in this country. Sir, your tea is in the harbor.

154 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:30:09am

re: #137 tfc3rid

He doesn't believe it... He said that he had no heard that but believes if anything is in there like that it is meant to increase jobs by bringing healthcare into the 21st century.

Okay, now I'm p.o'd. He doesn't know what's in there, but says the healthcare stuff isn't. When told that it is, he then "feels" that it must be okay - just because it's there. How's that for insane thinking?

155 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:30:20am

Lowry: Last Gasp for Limited Government?

Is American exceptionalism about to be bundled off on a long trip to the Continent, never to return? Socialism may happen here.
156 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:30:56am

re: #113 1SG(ret)
Hey Top! Gee it's good to see you out here! Say, did y'all receive an e-mail from me last night? If not, could ya send me an e-mail giving me the best addy at which to e-mail you today?!

157 Alouenghazi  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:31:01am

re: #109 Timbre

I think we need to ask Charles for a ruling. Items you list above which are already public information on the Internet might be exempted. Especially if the item belongs to an obvious enemy of LGF.

You can get the email from the link. No need to reproduce it here. Why send this buzzard fan mail and make him feel more important than he really is?

158 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:31:07am

re: #148 Morganfrost

then I damn well want a salary commensurate with my responsibilities.

Wait wait wait... I thought you guys "controlled all the money", too? Can't you just fire up the printing press in your garage and roll out a stack of Ben Franklins if your wallet's feeling a little light?

159 Timbre  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:31:23am

re: #133 Last Mohican

I guess so, especially if the website is a hoax, not actually created by the subject. I was thinking more along the lines of an organizational website which has a "Contact" link. But I guess we should give the benefit of the doubt as you describe.

160 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:31:28am

Are all of us Jews held to be accountable for Soros and Madoff?

161 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:31:33am

No American citizen is free today to utter a single word about international or even national issues.

To state the obvious: This is me. This is me saying whatever I please about national and international issues. Our president is an arrogant, untrained socialist. The UN are bank-account padding morons.

Observe: Nobody has come to throw me off the roof yet. Nobody is going to stone me.

162 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:31:51am

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

The proportional voting system is different than a simple parliament. There are no ridings or electoral districts. People vote for the party of their choice. The seats in parliament are divided acording to the percentage of the vote: so many seats for Party A, so many seats for Party B and so on. The politicians who get the seats are selected by their parties, not the people. Proportional electoral systems encourage a multitude of smaller factional parties to spring up and discourages finding common ground between parties. The result is a string of fragile short lived governments. The MP's are more beholding to their party bosses than to the electorate. It's a bad system all round.

163 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:31:55am

re: #76 Occasional Reader

Yes... we're also willing to open up travel and tourism with the socialist paradise in Cuba. We're busy caving in to dictatorships, totalitarian regimes and theocracies all over the place.

This isn't a good day for democracy and liberty.

164 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:32:07am

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Just heard on radio (so no link), Bernie Madoff may be cutting some deal, partly, on his bullshit, which would include not having to admit any wrong doing.

I think that's with regard to the civil suit, NOT criminal charges.

At least, I hope so.

165 infidel4ever  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:32:19am
"This was how Israel became a terrorist state and why the Arabs fear Israel. If the superpowers and the international community as a whole, do not change their positions with regard to the facts of the conflict between Israel and the Arabs, Israel will gleefully continue with its arrogance and terror, the Arabs will continue to wallow in their weakness and the American/Jewish media will go on depicting Arabs as terrorists and Israel as a puny state surrounded by many enemies."

A puny state that has been clobbering those many enemies for the past sixty years. Maybe that has something to do with the Arab propensity of wallowing in their weakness?

Asshat...

166 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:32:19am

re: #155 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Lowry: Last Gasp for Limited Government?

In short, the socialist are buying a country, cheap.

167 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:32:28am

re: #152 opnion

Employers & Health & Welfare funds practice medical cost containment now. The vast majority pay an access fee to get discounted medical care through a Preferred Provider Network.
There is also the implementation of Utilization Review, to confirm medical necessity and an appropriate length of stay.
What Dashle snuck in here looks like rationing not an effort to avoid medically unnessary care, seniors would just have to accept & suffer the ailments of aging, as an example.

In simple terms - more government regulation.

168 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:32:30am

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

That's on the civil fraud charges. The criminal complaint and penalties is still available. This ends the SEC action.

169 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:32:36am

re: #154 subsailor68

Okay, now I'm p.o'd. He doesn't know what's in there, but says the healthcare stuff isn't. When told that it is, he then "feels" that it must be okay - just because it's there. How's that for insane thinking?

These guys are scam artists... they are as bad as Barnie Madoff... I am sure there is more in this bill that we have not even found yet...

This is just plain wrong... I wish it were criminal.

170 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:32:38am
171 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:33:17am

re: #138 Wyatt Earp

It'll be announced by Vince, the ShamWow Guy.

I think the stuff Vince shills for works much better than anything Carter ever came up with.

172 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:33:25am

re: #160 Teacake!

Are all of us Jews held to be accountable for Soros and Madoff?

If so, can I blame you for Obama? :)

173 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:34:01am

Obama says: "we are going to have to work together"

Translation: "I won- so shut up and eat this stimulus pork"

174 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:34:18am
175 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:34:28am

re: #132 Lincolntf

Hi all. I just went to Israellycool to check on the Israeli elections. To those who think that the Electoral College makes a simple process too complicated, trying to keep track of who's winning over there seems to be beyond everyone. The proportional system makes a ton of races important, apparently.
I think polls close shortly, does anyone know if Israeli "winners" and "losers" traditionally due acceptance/concession speeches on the evening of the election?

If this election turns out as expected, NO ONE, will have enough seats in the Knesset to form a government. So the horse trading will begin. Don't expect definitive results so soon, just indications.

176 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:34:32am

re: #173 FrogMarch

I'm sorry. I don't dig on swine. Besides, this is just offal.

177 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:34:36am

re: #162 Kenneth

Do you happen to know if we are likely to know a winner tonight? Do the party alignments/alliances happen pretty much simulataneously or are we looking at a couple days of vote-counting and horse trading? Thanks in advance for any info.

178 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:34:39am

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Just heard on radio (so no link), Bernie Madoff may be cutting some deal, partly, on his bullshit, which would include not having to admit any wrong doing.

IF I STOLE A LOAF OF BREAD, I'D GET SIX MONTHS.

What is it? There really is no fairness left in this country. Sir, your tea is in the harbor.

WTF? Madoff must be a democrat.

179 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:34:41am

re: #163 lawhawk

Yes... we're also willing to open up travel and tourism with the socialist paradise in Cuba.

I do have to say, while I think we should continue all sorts of pressure on the communist dictatorship in Cuba, I have never been in favor of the travel ban. I don't like being "banned" from much of anything, as a free American citizen.

180 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:34:46am

Hey kids, lookie here! sen. Pat Leahy (Moonbat-VT) wants a Truth Panel to investigate "Bush-era abuses."

181 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:34:57am

re: #164 Occasional Reader

I think that's with regard to the civil suit, NOT criminal charges. At least, I hope so.

That's why I said "partly" because I heard that some othe charges were still pending.

I still stand by my original statement. If it was you or I, we'd be fucked, civil, criminal, whatever. Period. IMHO.

182 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:35:22am

re: #175 Nevergiveup

Thanks.

183 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:35:28am

re: #173 FrogMarch

Obama says: "we are going to have to work together"

Translation: "I won- so shut up and eat this stimulus pork"

You wouldn't think Obama would be such a big fan of pork.

184 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:35:50am

re: #168 lawhawk

That's on the civil fraud charges. The criminal complaint and penalties is still available. This ends the SEC action.

That's why I said "partly" because I heard that some othe charges were still pending.

I still stand by my original statement. If it was you or I, we'd be fucked, civil, criminal, whatever. Period. IMHO.

185 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:36:08am
186 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:36:27am

re: #175 Nevergiveup

Israel has never had a single political party win 60 seats. It's always been horsetrading for minsterial positions and appointments. This may be the first time that no party gets 30 seats, meaning that we're likely to see a coalition of Likud-Kadima or a combination of other parties, but the party with the most seats gets time to form a coalition.

187 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:04am

Actually, Queen Elizabeth has a say who becomes president of the US. Even though it sounds like a paranoid conspiracy - it is very true the Bildiberg (sp?) Group that she is part of, makes global decisions.

From what I read, they all were in favor of Hillary but this Barry asshat ruined the plan, so now we're dealing with Plan B

188 1SG(ret)  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:05am

re: #156 realwest

Email sent!

189 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:09am

re: #163 lawhawk

Yes... we're also willing to open up travel and tourism with the socialist paradise in Cuba. We're busy caving in to dictatorships, totalitarian regimes and theocracies all over the place.

This isn't a good day for democracy and liberty.

We may be in the waning days of democracy and liberty - at least as we came know them.

190 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:13am

re: #158 Occasional Reader

Wait wait wait... I thought you guys "controlled all the money", too? Can't you just fire up the printing press in your garage and roll out a stack of Ben Franklins if your wallet's feeling a little light?


All us Jews (Joos?) get a monthly paycheck from our Zion overlords. But we want more...no, we demand more. [I'll get you my pretty...cackle cackle]
Or, as the French say: Quel load.

191 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:25am

re: #167 FrogMarch

In simple terms - more government regulation.

What they are asking us to accept is the same expertise as the people who run the post office.
Richie Daley in Chicago justified privitization of City assets, saying the private sector is more efficient & that his city employees are "Clock watchers." Of course, I am sure Daley gets a kick back, er I mean contribution.

192 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:39am

re: #126 Walter L. Newton
Well the former Lt.Govenor of NY wrote that analysis for Bloomberg, wouldn't she be the likely source of that quote in Bloomberg?
And how do you know Daschle didn't say that?

I say again, we'll get much better health care when ALL of our Congresscritters have to pay the market rate for their truly Platinum heath care services (all doctors, hospitals, proceedures, dental and vision problems of any and all type, are covered under the Congressional health care plan for which no Congresscritter pays any annual premium nor even a damned deductible.

193 Zeus66  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:51am

This should surprise no one. We need to stop asking why these people believe the things they do. They count on us remaining honest and rational and trying over and over to appease them. The only solution is to isolate them and let them live in the Dark Ages in perpetuity. Dealing with them is the modern version of Sisyphus rolling the rock up the hill, only to have it roll back down every time.

194 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:52am

re: #187 Teacake!

Actually, Queen Elizabeth has a say who becomes president of the US. Even though it sounds like a paranoid conspiracy - it is very true the Bildiberg (sp?) Group that she is part of, makes global decisions.

From what I read, they all were in favor of Hillary but this Barry asshat ruined the plan, so now we're dealing with Plan B

Er, nothing personal, but, bullshit.

195 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:54am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

In short, the socialist are buying a country, cheap.

ironically could this grab drive the price of tea upwards?....

196 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:58am

re: #180 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Hey kids, lookie here! sen. Pat Leahy (Moonbat-VT) wants a Truth Panel to investigate "Bush-era abuses."

He'll discover that the WTC was rigged with explosives...

It's amazing that everythign I thought would happen IS happening...

197 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:38:36am

re: #177 Lincolntf

A number of bloggers are tracking the election...

[Link: www.israellycool.com...]

I don't know when we will have all the results, but Bibbi & Likkud are expected to win. They will have a minority gov't and will have to make an alliance with a few other parties to form a government.

198 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:39:06am

re: #197 Kenneth

Thanks.

199 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:39:14am

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

If it was you or Ime, we'd be fucked, civil, criminal, whatever.

Civil suits get settled all the time with no admission of wrongdoing.

200 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:39:20am

re: #193 Zeus66

This should surprise no one. We need to stop asking why these people believe the things they do. They count on us remaining honest and rational and trying over and over to appease them. The only solution is to isolate them and let them live in the Dark Ages in perpetuity. Dealing with them is the modern version of Sisyphus rolling the rock up the hill, only to have it roll back down every time.

And what are some of the steps you would take to accomplish that?

201 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:39:22am

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

I was off the grid for several hours and missed it.

When these show trials get underway, will the former Bush Administration folks be taken away by blue-capped Chekists in black mariahs?

202 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:39:23am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Slightly OT, from The Muqata:

12:11 PM In honor of Israel's election day, Google Israel's search engine web-page has a special graphic.

Now thats nice!

203 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:39:47am
204 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:39:56am

re: #195 albusteve

ironically could this grab drive the price of tea upwards?....


I hear the price of shoes is going up dramatically [ref: shoes being sent to their Reps and Senators who are voting for the bailout].

205 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:40:11am

re: #187 Teacake!

Um... you're being sarcastic.

Right?

206 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:40:15am

re: #199 Occasional Reader

Civil suits get settled all the time with no admission of wrongdoing.

If it was you or I, we'd be fucked, civil, criminal, whatever.

207 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:40:29am
208 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:41:06am

re: #152 opnion

Employers & Health & Welfare funds practice medical cost containment now. The vast majority pay an access fee to get discounted medical care through a Preferred Provider Network.
There is also the implementation of Utilization Review, to confirm medical necessity and an appropriate length of stay.
What Dashle snuck in here looks like rationing not an effort to avoid medically unnessary care, seniors would just have to accept & suffer the ailments of aging, as an example.

right now, people need to start taking care of themselves.
lose weight, eat right, exercise. moderate alcohol like their lives depend on it.
bureaucrats making health care decisions based on their bottom line means we are our own first line of defense.

209 kcladderman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:41:53am

re: #187 Teacake!

Actually, Queen Elizabeth has a say who becomes president of the US. Even though it sounds like a paranoid conspiracy - it is very true the Bildiberg (sp?) Group that she is part of, makes global decisions.

From what I read, they all were in favor of Hillary but this Barry asshat ruined the plan, so now we're dealing with Plan B

What ?

210 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:41:57am

Well, I guess we have a ruling from Stinky on that e-mail address question.

211 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:42:14am

re: #139 FrogMarch
Huh? You came up with a google search for something like LTGNFootball" or somesuch!
NO! I meant MY #715 on that thread!

212 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:42:16am

re: #208 nyc redneck

right now, people need to start taking care of themselves.
lose weight, eat right, exercise. moderate alcohol like their lives depend on it.
bureaucrats making health care decisions based on their bottom line means we are our own first line of defense.

That's what I started to do 3 years ago. It does work.

213 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:42:55am

Allon Pickus from Tel Aviv just said to get the pop corn and soda ready. It's gonna be brutal and take a long time to form a government. Israeli Politics makes ours look tame.

214 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:43:05am

re: #208 nyc redneck

right now, people need to start taking care of themselves.
lose weight, eat right, exercise. moderate alcohol like their lives depend on it.
bureaucrats making health care decisions based on their bottom line means we are our own first line of defense.

You forgot the most important thing: people need to make sure they don't get old and ill ...

:-(

215 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:43:06am

re: #191 opnion

What they are asking us to accept is the same expertise as the people who run the post office. ...


The same post office that lost billions of dollars?

Genius.

216 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:43:23am

re: #180 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Hey kids, lookie here! sen. Pat Leahy (Moonbat-VT) wants a Truth Panel to investigate "Bush-era abuses."

And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of our wrongs
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I hope we won't get fooled again.

217 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:43:25am

re: #208 nyc redneck

We're actually our ONLU line of defense against government regulation...

218 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:43:39am
219 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:18am

Security measures for the president have been beefed up following a recent incident.

220 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:21am

Essa bin Mohammed Al Zedjali has registered at the National Pork Board and requested to be on their email list for more information.

221 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:24am

re: #211 realwest

Hi RW. E-mail sent - with an explanation of why it sometimes takes forever for me to receive a reply. Sigh.

222 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:32am

re: #204 Golem Akbar

I hear the price of shoes is going up dramatically [ref: shoes being sent to their Reps and Senators who are voting for the bailout].

new rule...after a certain number of shoes you lose your seat

223 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:36am

re: #191 opnion

What they are asking us to accept is the same expertise as the people who run the post office.

And Amtrak. And the folks who came up with the Susan B. Anthony dollar... and, after it flopped, followed it with several additional quarter-sized dollar coins.

224 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:39am

re: #212 Walter L. Newton

That's what I started to do 3 years ago. It does work.

yes it does.
we need to be at our fighting weights anyway.
not just for the health issue.
we won't be able to rely on the gov't .
it is not possible.

225 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:50am

re: #211 realwest

Huh? You came up with a google search for something like LTGNFootball" or somesuch!
NO! I meant MY #715 on that thread!

sorry - unintentional.
this?

226 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:52am

re: #152 opnion
Yep. And trust me on this Betsy McCaughey, the former LT Govenor of NY was known for her outlandish behavior in actually, ya know, reading legislation herself instead of relying on staffers to do the work for her.
Course Lt. Governors in NY do have a LOT of time on their hands, but still.....................!

227 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:52am

re: #208 nyc redneck

right now, people need to start taking care of themselves.
lose weight, eat right, exercise. moderate alcohol like their lives depend on it.
bureaucrats making health care decisions based on their bottom line means we are our own first line of defense.

We always have been, but got sidetracked by easy access to health care.
Instead of going to our connections for the extra-legal buzz, we'll be looking for bootleggers to provide medical services.

228 Drima  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:55am

While sadly anti-semitism is widespread in the Arab world, this travesty of a view does certainly go beyond the mainstream opinion. How anyone can praise Hitler is simply astonishing to me.

229 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:46:01am
230 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:46:19am

re: #186 lawhawk

Israel has never had a single political party win 60 seats. It's always been horsetrading for minsterial positions and appointments. This may be the first time that no party gets 30 seats, meaning that we're likely to see a coalition of Likud-Kadima or a combination of other parties, but the party with the most seats gets time to form a coalition.

From the wiki:

This electoral system, inherited from the Yishuv (Jewish settlement organization during the British Mandate), makes it very difficult for any party to gain a working majority in the Knesset and thus the government is generally formed on the basis of a coalition. The prime minister is selected by the president as the party leader most able to form a government, based on the number of parliament seats her or his coalition has won. After the president's selection, the prime minister has forty-five days to form a government. The members of the cabinet must be collectively approved by the Knesset

231 Macker  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:46:48am

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

The only reason the Susan B. Anthony dollar and the Sacagewea dollar flopped is the sexism of the public, which refuses to countenance currency bearing pictures of strong women.
//

Aren't Susan B. Anthony dollar coins accepted in porno shops?

232 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:46:48am

re: #214 yma o hyd

You forgot the most important thing: people need to make sure they don't get old and ill ...

:-(

many people can push that back by proper nutrition and exercise.
we have to try.

233 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:46:52am

not being sarcastic. There are actual non bullshit websites that I no longer have the URLs to... that were linked from UN links. The UN has its hands in more weird shit than sounds believable.... the new age movement was produced though the UN! This is on offical websites from UN links. Its so weird and creepy which is why normal people think this is bullshit.

234 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:46:59am

re: #226 realwest

real... She was on in the 10AM hour on Laura Ingraham... Betsy wa known as a flighty weirdo when she was Lt. Gov... But she made sense in her argument and it's very frightening...

235 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:47:39am

re: #162 Kenneth
Hi Kenneth - hope you're doing ok today. Uh, "The MP's are more beholding to their party bosses than to the electorate. It's a bad system all round."
Speaking of Bad Sytem all around, how'd does the Canadian Health care system work (when it's not broken, I mean)?!

236 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:47:43am
237 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:47:44am

If I write a novel about the Bildeburgers, would that be described in literary terms as a Bildeburgersroman?

238 Shug  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:48:15am

I want to see a Cage match between the Holocaust deniers and those who love the Holocaust.
Fight to the death.
May both sides win

239 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:48:29am

re: #213 Nevergiveup

I just saw this on Israellycool liveblog...."I've just read on the JPost (I think, it might have been Hareetz though)- that the right coalition is projected to secure 60 seats. Where will they get their final seat for the majority come from?"

Sounds like someone thinks they might be able to wrap it up tonight without too much of a scramble. We shall see.

240 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:49:54am

Expect this theme to become louder due to the economic downturn, you will start hearing softer versions of the same thing from western populists as well. Everyone runs for cover and deflects flames, nobody considers themselves the fault --- and as we all know at "Scapegoats R Us" Large packages of Jew hate are always on prominent display.

241 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:49:59am

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

The only reason the Susan B. Anthony dollar and the Sacagewea dollar flopped is the sexism of the public, which refuses to countenance currency bearing pictures of strong women.
//

It didn't work because the public didn't want it. It's rally a very good idea. A coin has a much better shelf life than currency, it's actually saves the government (us) money in production costs.

High value coinage has been used in Europe for ages. It's interesting that we have just started to use the fancy security measures in our currency. They had most of this in Europe for years.

242 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:50:03am

re: #233 Teacake!

There are actual non bullshit websites that I no longer have the URLs to... that were linked from UN links.

Ah, well, why didn't you say so. Well, that proves it, then: The Queen of England selects the U.S. President.

What else is on the agenda?

243 Alouenghazi  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:50:18am

re: #165 infidel4ever

A puny state that has been clobbering those many enemies for the past sixty years. Maybe that has something to do with the Arab propensity of wallowing in their weakness?

Asshat...

The Arabs will bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.

244 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:50:42am

There are straight lines, such as left-to-right politics, but mindset (and common goals) often warps them into circles. It gets weird indeed at the points where they join.

Religious-purist Salafist Jihadists siding with racial-purist Nazis.
What's next? Stormfront speaking kindly of the Palestinian militas?

/NO sarc

245 Shug  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:50:58am

Charles, if you are reading this I have a request/suggestion.

How about a once a month Q and A session where you can field burning questions from the Lizard Army?
I am sure there are people who have many things they would like to ask you.

kind of like Open line Friday..........

246 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:51:32am

re: #239 Lincolntf

I just saw this on Israellycool liveblog...."I've just read on the JPost (I think, it might have been Hareetz though)- that the right coalition is projected to secure 60 seats. Where will they get their final seat for the majority come from?"

Sounds like someone thinks they might be able to wrap it up tonight without too much of a scramble. We shall see.

What right wing coalition? Likud may be right, but Kadima is much much less so. They may seem to "the right" since the "the left" has been so badly discredited by having put any faith in the Palestinians having wanted to actually make peace.

247 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:51:45am

Well, what do ya know?

Why I Vote "No" On the Stimulus - Kay Bailey Hutchison

She's my senator! She actually cites Amity Schlaes, which means she's either read her, or her staff has.

(Although to be fair, she does waffle a bit at the end.)

248 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:51:57am

re: #233 Teacake!

not being sarcastic. There are actual non bullshit websites that I no longer have the URLs to... that were linked from UN links. The UN has its hands in more weird shit than sounds believable.... the new age movement was produced though the UN! This is on offical websites from UN links. Its so weird and creepy which is why normal people think this is bullshit.

"Some of the New Age Movement's constituent elements appeared initially in 19th century metaphysical movements: Spiritualism, Theosophy, and New Thought; also, alternative medicine movements chiropractic and naturopathy.[3][2] These movements in turn have roots in Transcendentalism, Mesmerism, Swedenborgianism, and various earlier Western esoteric or occult traditions, such as the hermetic arts of astrology, magic, alchemy, and kabbalah. Some of the popularisation behind these ideas has roots in the work of early 20th century writers such as D. H. Lawrence and William Butler Yeats. The first known use of the New Age in this context was in Madame Blavatsky's book The Secret Doctrine, which was published in 1888.[4] Although, the phrase had been used earlier to refer to a belief in a spiritual and artistic "New Age" by William Blake circa 1809 in his preface to Milton: a Poem; it was originally coined by fellow Christian mystic Emanuel Swedenborg in the 18th century."

You read to much bullshit. Of course, this Wiki entry is just part of the cover up, I know.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

249 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:52:19am

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

The only reason the Susan B. Anthony dollar and the Sacagewea dollar flopped is the sexism of the public, which refuses to countenance currency bearing pictures of strong women.
//

And the Sacajewea dollar coin proves that YOU KNOW WHO controls all the money ! ! ! !

(Waiter, I'd like a Double Bacon Bildeburger, with extra cheese)

250 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:52:22am

re: #232 nyc redneck

many people can push that back by proper nutrition and exercise.
we have to try.

The snag is - and I'm not ebign facetious here, it is a huge problem! - that so many people have a healthy body and are in good physical conditions inot heir high old age, while their minds start to deteriorate. There are many forms of senile dementia, Alzheimers is only the most horrid of them.
So these otherwise halthy people need continuous care because their rbains aren't functioning proeprly.

That, for me, is such a terrible prospect that I'm starting to think about a different strategy.

251 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:52:35am

re: #243 Alouette

The Arabs will bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.

(As a generalization, it has to be taken as precisely that ... HOWEVER ...)

..... A THOUSAND UP-DINGS !

252 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:52:49am

If you think the Bildiberg Group doesn't have its finger in The Machine, what can I say? I'm not the one who has one drop of control in this global village. lol

253 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:53:15am

re: #241 Walter L. Newton

It didn't work because the public didn't want it. It's rally a very good idea. A coin has a much better shelf life than currency, it's actually saves the government (us) money in production costs.

High value coinage has been used in Europe for ages. It's interesting that we have just started to use the fancy security measures in our currency. They had most of this in Europe for years.

The main problem is that they kept both the coin and the bill instead of dumping the bill and replacing it with the coin as they did in Canada. Another instance of our federal government doing what they do best: Doing things half-assed.

254 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:53:32am

re: #246 Nevergiveup

Don't aske me. I only know the principals of the major Parties. The make-up of their constituencies is still a mystery to me. There seem to be some very conflicted voters on the blogs.

255 traderjoe9  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:53:54am

Mark Twain brought up a good point once, when addressing European anti-Semitism.


The basis of successful business is honesty; a business cannot thrive where the parties to it cannot trust each other. In the matter of numbers of the Jew counts for little in the overwhelming population of New York; but that his honesty counts for much is guaranteed by the fact that the immense wholesale business houses of Broadway, from the Battery to Union Square, is substantially in his hands. I suppose that the most picturesque example in history of a trader's trust in his fellow-trader was one where it was not Christian trusting Christian, but Christian trusting Jew.

I don't argue that Jews did have an immense presence in the economy of every region they have been in; in fact, I even embrace and take pride in this fact. The idea that Jews are somehow dishonest and deceiving is a myth, however.

That Hessian Duke who used to sell his subjects to George III. to fight George Washington with got rich at it; and by-and-by, when the wars engendered by the French Revolution made his throne too warm for him, he was obliged to fly the country. He was in a hurry, and had to leave his earnings behind - $9,000,000. He had to risk the money with some one without security. He did not select a Christian, but a Jew - a Jew of only modest means, but of high character; a character so high that it left him lonesome - Rothschild of Frankfort. Thirty years later, when Europe had become quiet and safe again, the Duke came back from overseas, and the Jew returned the loan, with interest added.

256 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:53:56am

re: #241 Walter L. Newton

A coin has a much better shelf life than currency,

True, although it's also the case that our currency has both literally and figuratively had better shelf life than most. You can come across U.S. banknotes in circulation that were printed in the 1960s, no problem. You don't see that in Europe.

257 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:54:01am
258 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:54:25am

High apple pie in the sky... hope.

259 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:54:26am

re: #235 realwest

Hi realwest.

I saw your post on the last thread about the stealth socialized medicare plan hidden in the Porkzilla bill. That is something very much in need of exposure.

The Canadian system sort of works, with problems, but it is expensive. Provincial gov't are continuously having to decide whether to increases services (and consequently increase taxes) or to cut services to reduce their budgets. Doctors are rushed, nurses are harried and hospitals are in decay.

On a personal note, my mother passed away over the weekend. My father is very heartbroken and we have all been pulling together to support each other. She was mostly asleep for the last week of her life & died peacefully without too much suffering.

260 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:54:30am

Radical Islam dreams of killing all Jews, destroying Israel and subjugating Europe and the USA.
Hitler used anti-Semitism to divert Germans' attention away from their humiliating military, economic and political failures and to provide them with an outlet for their collective frustration and rage.
In addition to the foregoing, Islamofascists also view anti-Semitism as a very real military strategy to weaken Israel and to fracture the US - Israeli alliance.
In these trying economic times it will remain to be seen whether the American government drinks from the poisoned chalice.

261 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:54:39am

Yes, Walter.... those old groups you speak of were meshed in with the UN. I'll look for those UN websites and it doesn't hide this at all.

262 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:54:40am

re: #241 Walter L. Newton

It didn't work because the public didn't want it. It's rally a very good idea. A coin has a much better shelf life than currency, it's actually saves the government (us) money in production costs.

High value coinage has been used in Europe for ages. It's interesting that we have just started to use the fancy security measures in our currency. They had most of this in Europe for years.

Hi Walter! It probably is a good idea. I read somewhere (sorry, can't remember where, or I'd link to it), that one of the odd things in our currency production costs is that it costs a dime to produce a nickel, and a nickel to produce a dime! (If that's a fact, it's pretty funny.)

:-)

263 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:54:52am

re: #248 Walter L. Newton

Some of the New Age Movement's constituent elements appeared initially in 19th century metaphysical movements

That's when the UN was still a secret, dummy!

264 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:55:04am

re: #208 nyc redneck

right now, people need to start taking care of themselves.
lose weight, eat right, exercise. moderate alcohol like their lives depend on it.
bureaucrats making health care decisions based on their bottom line means we are our own first line of defense.

Right, but you can't help aging.
They are on a mission to 'Reform" the best health system in the world.
Notice that people with the means flock her for medical delivery.
Our problem is not quality, but cost.

265 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:55:32am

re: #242 Occasional Reader

Ah, well, why didn't you say so. Well, that proves it, then: The Queen of England selects the U.S. President.

What else is on the agenda?

"A lunatic is a moron that doesn't know the ropes... The lunatic... doesn't concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idee' fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy" (Umberto Eco - Foucault's Pendulum)

266 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:55:40am

re: #257 buzzsawmonkey

I can remember when silver dollars--real silver dollars--and, for that matter, fifty-cent pieces, were commonly-used currency

Did they have bumblebees on 'em?

267 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:55:45am

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

[snip]

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

[snip]

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Yep...... Change is in the wind.
Hope I survive.

268 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:56:03am

re: #254 Lincolntf

Don't aske me. I only know the principals of the major Parties. The make-up of their constituencies is still a mystery to me. There seem to be some very conflicted voters on the blogs.

Yeah, they pretty much hate their candidates as much as we did.

269 kcladderman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:56:11am

re: #220 NJDhockeyfan

Essa bin Mohammed Al Zedjali has registered at the National Pork Board and requested to be on their email list for more information.

Now that is the funniest thing I have seen in a long while.

270 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:56:18am

Actually if you run the search on the UN Alice Baily, Blatvasky, Findhorn, you will find actual UN websites.

271 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:56:25am

re: #261 Teacake!

Yes, Walter.... those old groups you speak of were meshed in with the UN. I'll look for those UN websites and it doesn't hide this at all.

"A lunatic is a moron that doesn't know the ropes... The lunatic... doesn't concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idee' fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy" (Umberto Eco - Foucault's Pendulum)

272 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:56:46am
273 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:57:11am

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Whoa. Now, while I think Teacake got the internet information equivalent of some very bad clams, I hardly think literary references to "lunatic" and "moron" are called for.

274 Age Of Freedom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:57:19am

But I thought they study in schools that the holocaust never existed and that the Jews made it up. Make up your f mind, haters.

275 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:57:24am

re: #270 Teacake!

Actually if you run the search on the UN Alice Baily, Blatvasky, Findhorn, you will find actual UN websites.

Why don't you post a link to a UN site that deal with Blatvasky. I know who she was, I would like to see what this site is about.

276 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:57:28am

re: #259 Kenneth

{Kenneth}
I'm so very sorry about that.
No matter how old one is, no matter how old the mother or father is - the death of a parent always comes far too soon, and is always such a huge loss.

277 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:57:52am

re: #253 Honorary Yooper

The main problem is that they kept both the coin and the bill instead of dumping the bill and replacing it with the coin as they did in Canada.

That should make tipping in "gentleman's clubs" very interesting.

278 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:58:03am

Is it really necessary to be rude and nasty Walter just because you and I disagree on information?

279 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:58:16am
280 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:58:30am

re: #248 Walter L. Newton

Here's an interesting look at one of the earliest New Age movements, the founder of the Waldorf School system,

Origin of the Specious: Race, lies and stereotypes in Rudolf Steiner’s anthroposophy

In addition to the wacky stuff about elves and astrology, Steiner had a nasty racialist streak.

281 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:59:03am

re: #266 Occasional Reader

Did they have bumblebees on 'em?

Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

282 traderjoe9  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:59:07am

re: #274 Age Of Freedom

But I thought they study in schools that the holocaust never existed and that the Jews made it up. Make up your f mind, haters.

Exactly. Jews present one side of Jewish history, while anti-Semites present forty different versions, hoping they land on a correct one.

283 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:59:14am

re: #259 Kenneth

Hugs and prayers.

284 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:59:17am

re: #273 Occasional Reader

Whoa. Now, while I think Teacake got the internet information equivalent of some very bad clams, I hardly think literary references to "lunatic" and "moron" are called for.

Ok, sorry, I was a little more concerned with the "logic" train that Eco is describing in that quote. If you replace the word "lunatic" with "conspiracy theorist," it would read the same.

285 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:59:26am

thank you OR - as for walter, just do the searches for yourself. It won't take all that long to find the real deal. I've already done that months ago and don't have the links. Have to go to work now. tata

286 kcladderman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:59:29am

re: #256 Occasional Reader

True, although it's also the case that our currency has both literally and figuratively had better shelf life than most. You can come across U.S. banknotes in circulation that were printed in the 1960s, no problem. You don't see that in Europe.

Oh I don't know I have several European bills from the late 70's and early 80's.


Of course they have been in a box with the rest of my navy stuff since 85.

287 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:59:31am

re: #280 Kenneth

Here's an interesting look at one of the earliest New Age movements, the founder of the Waldorf School system,

Origin of the Specious: Race, lies and stereotypes in Rudolf Steiner’s anthroposophy

In addition to the wacky stuff about elves and astrology, Steiner had a nasty racialist streak.

Yes, lefties love Steinerism too, Counterknowledge had an article on that the other day.

288 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:59:49am

re: #188 1SG(ret) Hey Top, I received it but haven't had a chance to read it yet; too busy taking breaks from LGF to write to congresscritters and to LGFer's who care about this DEMOCRATIC PARTY SPENDING BILL.

289 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:59:55am

With regard to this Spending Bill, ido we know for sure if there is anything in here about amnesty?

290 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:59:59am

re: #259 Kenneth

So sorry to hear that, my friend.

291 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:00:04am

re: #278 Teacake!

Is it really necessary to be rude and nasty Walter just because you and I disagree on information?

To you too, I say, sorry, I was a little more concerned with the "logic" train that Eco is describing in that quote. If you replace the word "lunatic" with "conspiracy theorist," it would read the same.

292 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:00:05am

re: #241 Walter L. Newton

It didn't work because the public didn't want it. It's rally a very good idea. A coin has a much better shelf life than currency, it's actually saves the government (us) money in production costs.

High value coinage has been used in Europe for ages. It's interesting that we have just started to use the fancy security measures in our currency. They had most of this in Europe for years.

It's been going on for years. But Iran and Syria have been using their state currency presses to make nearly perfect US $100 bills. For awhile in the 90's a large percentage of US$100 bills in international use where from this source, there was enough of them to depress the value of the dollar.

The change to the bill slowed the problem.

293 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:00:05am

re: #277 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That should make tipping in "gentleman's clubs" very interesting.

If you're only tipping a buck, you're no gentleman!

294 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:00:09am

re: #259 Kenneth

Hi realwest.

I saw your post on the last thread about the stealth socialized medicare plan hidden in the Porkzilla bill. That is something very much in need of exposure.

The Canadian system sort of works, with problems, but it is expensive. Provincial gov't are continuously having to decide whether to increases services (and consequently increase taxes) or to cut services to reduce their budgets. Doctors are rushed, nurses are harried and hospitals are in decay.

The same issue is at play here in California, where we give everything way, including the kitchen sink. Rationed care among Medicaid clients here in Brokefornia is a way of life.

295 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:00:26am

re: #285 Teacake!

thank you OR - as for walter, just do the searches for yourself. It won't take all that long to find the real deal. I've already done that months ago and don't have the links. Have to go to work now. tata

I rest my case.

296 infidel4ever  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:00:36am

re: #243 Alouette

We should send the men in white suits into the Arab world. Those people are nuts.

297 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:00:45am

re: #259 Kenneth

Hi realwest.

I saw your post on the last thread about the stealth socialized medicare plan hidden in the Porkzilla bill. That is something very much in need of exposure.

The Canadian system sort of works, with problems, but it is expensive. Provincial gov't are continuously having to decide whether to increases services (and consequently increase taxes) or to cut services to reduce their budgets. Doctors are rushed, nurses are harried and hospitals are in decay.

On a personal note, my mother passed away over the weekend. My father is very heartbroken and we have all been pulling together to support each other. She was mostly asleep for the last week of her life & died peacefully without too much suffering.

my condolences Kenneth...

298 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:00:51am

re: #259 Kenneth

I'm so sorry to read that. She, and your family will be in my prayers. I was with my mom when she passed - and she also went peacefully, almost as though she'd fallen asleep. Small blessing, but a blessing nevertheless.

299 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:01:01am

re: #259 Kenneth

I'm very sorry for your family's loss, Kenneth.

300 tackle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:01:03am

re: #256 Occasional Reader

True, although it's also the case that our currency has both literally and figuratively had better shelf life than most. You can come across U.S. banknotes in circulation that were printed in the 1960s, no problem. You don't see that in Europe.

When I was in Russia they scrutinized our bills and wouldn't accept any that were even wrinkly.

301 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:01:20am

re: #289 tfc3rid

With regard to this Spending Bill, ido we know for sure if there is anything in here about amnesty?

I don't think the people voting for it could answer that question, they don't know what's in it either. Only their staffers and the PACs do...

302 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:01:40am

Kenneth...

Condolences to you and your family. God bless you all.

303 kcladderman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:02:43am

re: #259 Kenneth


I am very sorry for your loss. A prayer for you and your family during this difficult time. With a special prayer for your father.

304 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:03:13am

re: #201 Who Watches the Watchmen? NOPE - ya see it's a test of the G.O.P. - do we have enough balls to storm the capital building during these show trials and take Cheney and Bush out of the custody of the dastardly dems!

305 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:03:27am

re: #261 Teacake!

Yes, Walter.... those old groups you speak of were meshed in with the UN. I'll look for those UN websites and it doesn't hide this at all.

Ok, I searched the UN site for the name "Blatvasky" and nothing came up. I suspect that they saw your post on LGF and removed all the links and references.

306 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:03:28am

Actually, this health care provision does give me a reason to contact Kerry and Kennedy. Health care in Massachusetts is big business, not just the hospitals and medical schools, but pharmaceutical research.
This will kill it.

307 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:03:41am

no walter, case not proven. My laptap with those urls died and I didn't have my favorites backed up elsewhere, too bad. I wish I had them to show you.

308 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:04:02am

Thank you to all for your kind words. My mother asked that this song be played at the service to celebrate her life, (she did not want to call it a funeral).

Youtube Video
309 Digital Display  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:04:09am

re: #259 Kenneth

Hi realwest.

I saw your post on the last thread about the stealth socialized medicare plan hidden in the Porkzilla bill. That is something very much in need of exposure.

The Canadian system sort of works, with problems, but it is expensive. Provincial gov't are continuously having to decide whether to increases services (and consequently increase taxes) or to cut services to reduce their budgets. Doctors are rushed, nurses are harried and hospitals are in decay.

On a personal note, my mother passed away over the weekend. My father is very heartbroken and we have all been pulling together to support each other. She was mostly asleep for the last week of her life & died peacefully without too much suffering.


I'm so sorry to hear that Kenneth.. My mom passed away on Valentines day last year..May God grant you and your family peace.

310 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:04:15am

re: #300 tackle

When I was in Russia they scrutinized our bills and wouldn't accept any that were even wrinkly.

That's a big thing throughout Latin America, too. And even with local banknotes, vendors will often refuse them if they have even relatively minor (to US eyes) tears or other damage. And they, in turn, try to fob off the damaged banknotes in their possession to unsuspecting foreigners when they give change.

311 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:04:29am

THen its alice bailey or however you spell it. bye! gotta go

312 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:04:30am

re: #307 Teacake!

no walter, case not proven. My laptap with those urls died and I didn't have my favorites backed up elsewhere, too bad. I wish I had them to show you.

Ok, I searched the UN site for the name "Blatvasky" and nothing came up. I suspect that they saw your post on LGF and removed all the links and references.

313 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:04:47am

re: #219 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth - what the hell didja link to? I got a 403 error, Forbidden Entry!

314 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:05:06am

re: #307 Teacake!

no walter, case not proven. My laptap with those urls died and I didn't have my favorites backed up elsewhere, too bad. I wish I had them to show you.

Laptop or hard drive?
Get a USB external HD case, pull the drive pop it in the case and you can pull everything off of it.

315 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:05:07am

re: #292 JCM

It's been going on for years. But Iran and Syria have been using their state currency presses to make nearly perfect US $100 bills. For awhile in the 90's a large percentage of US$100 bills in international use where from this source, there was enough of them to depress the value of the dollar.

The change to the bill slowed the problem.

I think that's one of the things Imadinnerjacket wants Obama to appologize for; making the $100 bill harder to forge.

316 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:05:18am

re: #308 Kenneth

Thank you to all for your kind words. My mother asked that this song be played at the service to celebrate her life, (she did not want to call it a funeral).re: #311 Teacake!

THen its alice bailey or however you spell it. bye! gotta go

/blockquote>

Cold case!

317 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:05:20am
318 kcladderman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:05:20am

re: #312 Walter L. Newton

Ok, I searched the UN site for the name "Blatvasky" and nothing came up. I suspect that they saw your post on LGF and removed all the links and references.

lol

319 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:05:41am

re: #250 yma o hyd

The snag is - and I'm not ebign facetious here, it is a huge problem! - that so many people have a healthy body and are in good physical conditions inot heir high old age, while their minds start to deteriorate. There are many forms of senile dementia, Alzheimers is only the most horrid of them.
So these otherwise halthy people need continuous care because their rbains aren't functioning proeprly.

That, for me, is such a terrible prospect that I'm starting to think about a different strategy.

what is the strategy you are thinking abt.

320 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:06:02am

re: #313 realwest

try this... Image: headbumpdoh.jpg

321 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:06:08am

Bite my shiny metal ass, Essa bin Mohammed Al Zedjali.

322 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:06:22am

re: #311 Teacake!

THen its alice bailey or however you spell it. bye! gotta go

Or maybe the international banking system is secretly controlled by George Bailey.

323 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:07:31am

re: #280 Kenneth

Here's an interesting look at one of the earliest New Age movements, the founder of the Waldorf School system,

Origin of the Specious: Race, lies and stereotypes in Rudolf Steiner’s anthroposophy

In addition to the wacky stuff about elves and astrology, Steiner had a nasty racialist streak.

Most people think of Steiner schools as gentle places - a creative pedagogy, where every toy is wooden, and phrases like “free to learn” and “natural” are used with abandon. Only occasionally do their more ludicrous beliefs get a mention: the supernatural, the occult, belief in karma, demons, angels, Atlantis, medieval temperaments, spirit worlds, astral forces and… gnomes!

The schools routinely champion themselves as a radical alternative to the mainstream, their websites drawing people in with vague and general terminology and gushingly self-congratulatory advertisements for Steiner and the movement. But they invariably make one huge omission: that “anthroposophy” guides their every move, and that anthroposophy’s central tenet is “racial hierarchies”.


Sounds like Boulder.

324 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:07:31am

re: #317 buzzsawmonkey

You're not referring to Madame Blavatsky, the queen of the Theosophists, are you?

I'm not, teacake is, and there is nothing at the UN site on her. And yes, I spelt it correctly, teacake didn't.

325 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:07:52am

re: #322 Occasional Reader

Or maybe the international banking system is secretly controlled by George Bailey.

LOL. Cold case.

326 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:07:56am

re: #225 FrogMarch
Yep, that's it! Kinda wish Charles would make a thread out of it (using the Bloomberg piece written by Betsy McCaughey) but I'm using IE 7 and can't report it for a recommendation!

327 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:08:38am

Dear Asshat Al Zedjali ,

I read with great interest the writings of a learned man from the East. Sadly, sir, you simply don't know shit. About anything. Certainly history, let us look at what you wrote:

Some of the Jewish people used to live in Arab countries. There they lived like Arab citizens enjoying all the rights and duties. In fairness, however, we should say that the Arab Jews were far more polite, well-behaved and good-hearted than the European Jews.

Oh the duties were many, pay any tax or bribe we were commanded to pay under penalty of death, to walk in the gutter while your horses pissed on us, under penalty of death. To suffer abuse in the streets, robbery, intimidation and brutalization and often murder, under threat of ever speaking up being the last thing one ever said. You do know that Israel's most anti-Arab population are the descendants of your former citizens whom you summarily sent away after taking everything they possessed? You do know that it was not Europe's Foreign Ministries that wanted the creation of Israel, Mr. Bevin the British FM in 1948 was even a bigger anti-Jewish bigot than you are.

But it is your knowledge of Hitler and WWII that is ignorance writ large:

The entire economy of Germany, including banks, publishing houses, jewellery stores, light and heavy industries and almost all economic organisations of consequence, was under the total control of the Jews.

The German Jews were guilty of nothing. They ran Germany the way I run Oman today. We control the media, the NYT, the BBC and the Guardian haven't had a good thing to say about Israel in 25 years. I am proud of the Jewish contribution to America's economy and success. It is nothing to be ashamed of. Nor is Israel. I am justifiably proud of a new nation that has accomplished so much not just for herself but all humanity. You do use a cell phone and computer don't you? Please use them with our blessing.

We don't hate you. We hate ignorance. Have you ever looked across the waters to the east? There is a little country there called Iran. Her leaders intend to form a new Persian Empire and expect all of us to pay tribute to her for the rest of our lives. The only one who will stop them is Israel.

You don't know us and your don't understand us. The war last month was because Iran said to Hamas to fire rockets at Israel's homes; you would not stand for it, well neither will we. The population of Gaza before the war was 1.5 million and afterwards it was still 1.5 million. No massacres, war to be sure, but a war fought in a way to minimize civilian suffering and death. If Israel wanted to massacre people in Gaza, a single carpet bomb strike could easily kill 30-50,000 people in five minutes. That's one strike and five minutes. Yet you are silent when your brothers at Hamas, who work to make you an Iranian slave, fire rockets at cities with special ball bearing warheads to maximize civilian casualties.

We will save you from Iran but it won't be because you deserve it, it will be because we have learned that trusting our lives to anyone but ourselves lets the Hitlers and Omanis of the world blame us for all that is wrong in the world and murder us at will.

328 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:08:46am

re: #301 Thanos

I don't think the people voting for it could answer that question, they don't know what's in it either. Only their staffers and the PACs do...

Well, Breitbart had an article on tax rebate potential:

Hill Republican: Stimulus aids illegal immigrants

And the Heritage Org carried this:

Senate Stimulus Bill Would Provide 300,000 Jobs for Illegal Immigrants

Not to waffle here, but I can't vouch for either organization.

329 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:09:23am

re: #325 Walter L. Newton

LOL. Cold case.

"Teacher says that every time we destroy a country's currency, an angel gets his wings!"

330 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:10:06am

re: #308 Kenneth

Her selection speaks volumes about her character. Sorry for your loss.

331 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:10:12am

Search yahoo not all UN related links are at the UN site. I'll look for those later. Check out the Findhorn site and you will see some of the info there how they are linked with the UN - look at Alice baily info to as their are links from her info.

As for the hard drive, I had hoped to find that info but it was gone! It didn't save the old browser as much as I looked for it, found nothing. I lost 3 years of favorites!

332 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:10:14am

re: #259 Kenneth
Aw geez, Kenneth - I'm so sorry to hear about your mom's death. My most sincere condolences and sypathies to you and to your dad.
At least now She isn't in any pain and - for me, anyway, I believe she's in a much better place now.
Again my friend, I'm deeply saddened by your loss.

333 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:10:33am

re: #329 Occasional Reader

"Teacher says that every time we destroy a country's currency, an angel gets his wings!"

Soros must have a lot of angels in his employ.

334 tackle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:10:41am

re: #267 JCM

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.


My British in-laws have waited months for an appointment with a specialist, and even more months for minor outpatient procedures. When faced with heath difficulties, I suppose you could say that they lacked hope. How ironic.
We, on the other hand, pay a lot of money for our insurance and expect the best health care it can buy. If any of my children are ill, I want no stone unturned in their behalf.

335 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:10:48am

re: #323 FrogMarch

Steiner said, don't let kids play with colored building blocks, the colors are distracting, they should only play with natural building blocks, and preferably sticks with the bark left on.

As if kids couldn't handle color.

Bah.

336 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:10:48am

re: #320 Kenneth

Same error

337 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:11:20am
338 SurferDoc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:11:27am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

"A lunatic is a moron that doesn't know the ropes... The lunatic... doesn't concern himself at all with logic; he works by short circuits. For him, everything proves everything else. The lunatic is all idee' fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy" (Umberto Eco - Foucault's Pendulum)

Umberto Eco knows his nutballs!

339 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:12:00am

Schumer on the Senate floor referred to current situation if bill not passed as an Economic 9/11...

340 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:12:02am

here's one link to start you off [Link: www.findhorn.org...]

341 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:12:14am

re: #247 subsailor68

Well, what do ya know?

Why I Vote "No" On the Stimulus - Kay Bailey Hutchison

She's my senator! She actually cites Amity Schlaes, which means she's either read her, or her staff has.

(Although to be fair, she does waffle a bit at the end.)

Kay Baily has been sounding good, of late.

342 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:12:27am
343 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:12:44am

re: #328 subsailor68

And the Heritage Org carried this:

Senate Stimulus Bill Would Provide 300,000 Jobs for Illegal Immigrants

While I understand the logic of the piece ("stimulus" money for construction projects + fact that many illegals work in construction + watered down "E-verify" and similar provisions), I don't care for their headline. It makes it sound like there's an explicit provision to hire 300,000 illegals, and that's a gross distortion.

344 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:12:56am

re: #341 DeafDog

Kay Baily has been sounding good, of late.

That's because she's running for Governor of Texas.

345 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:13:21am

re: #319 nyc redneck

what is the strategy you are thinking abt.

After 65, or 70, totally disregard all and any 'living healthyly' advice from anybody and just do, eat and live the way I enjoy it.
If I want to stuff my face with cream cakes, I will.
If I want to get sozzled on whisky or wine, or if I want to drench my innards in champagne, I will.
If I want to eat nice red meat every day, I will.
If I want to start smiking cigars, i wll.
If I want to just potter along and not punish meself with exercise, thats what I'll do!
If however I want to take up paragliding, I shall!
I will not eat 'healthy food' ebcause its 'good for me' - I'll eat wtf I like and want. And if that includes eating a pound of chocolates every week, so what!
If I want to sit on my PC or read books, and don't want to rusha round to gyms or run or any of that stuff - thast exactly what I'll do.
Sod waistlines, sod abs and glutes - life's too short, after a certaina ge!

Basically, its about taking control of one's life and doing what one wants, once all responsibilities for children and grandchildren have been discharged.

I'm blowed if I'm going to spend my last years of life on having a perfectly healthy body - and not have any fun at all.

346 DistantThunder  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:13:26am

As Franklin D. Roosevelt said, “If you wait until you see the whites of their eyes, you will never know what hit you.”

347 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:13:41am
348 yenta-fada  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:13:52am

re: #243 Alouette

The Arabs will bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.

These clowns are parasites that manage to kill the host that supplies them with life.
Palestinians are Exhibit A of this type of behavior.

349 VegasRick  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:14:00am

Obambi's man speaks, the market tanks. About to go under 8,000 again.
Stimulus indeed.

350 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:14:07am

re: #341 DeafDog

Kay Baily has been sounding good, of late.

"We've got to help Kay Baily!"

-Angels

351 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:14:20am

re: #267 JCM Hey JCM my friend - I was doing my Paul Revere schtick last night and early this morning writing folks about that. I'd received an e-mail from someone and then Walter I. Newton posted something about it as well.

Frankly, the only people I want involved in my health care decisions are my oncologist and me; and for my 84 year old, diabetic mom, only her doctor and her.
And what the fuck this is doing in a "stimulus plan" is what folks ought to be writing Specter, Collins and Snowe about.

352 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:14:34am

re: #324 Walter L. Newton

I'm not, teacake is, and there is nothing at the UN site on her. And yes, I spelt it correctly, teacake didn't.

Heh - but have you tried to find a link with her spelling?

353 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:14:43am

re: #334 tackle

My British in-laws have waited months for an appointment with a specialist, and even more months for minor outpatient procedures. When faced with heath difficulties, I suppose you could say that they lacked hope. How ironic.
We, on the other hand, pay a lot of money for our insurance and expect the best health care it can buy. If any of my children are ill, I want no stone unturned in their behalf.

Two chunks of the health care cost are liability insurance for the providers, and all the hidden costs to comply with the all the regulations. I'd like to see a major overhaul in those two areas before we start tossing the baby with the bath water.

354 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:14:52am

re: #343 Occasional Reader

While I understand the logic of the piece ("stimulus" money for construction projects + fact that many illegals work in construction + watered down "E-verify" and similar provisions), I don't care for their headline. It makes it sound like there's an explicit provision to hire 300,000 illegals, and that's a gross distortion.

Very good point. I'm not sure where news organizations - or any other for that matter - dig up their headline writers. You should see some of the gems in our local newspaper.

Guess it helps Jay Leno though.

:-)

355 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:14:55am
356 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:15:10am

re: #351 realwest
Amen, bro.

357 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:15:42am

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

How did you find that?

Cool !

358 KibbyKat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:15:46am

re: #312 Walter L. Newton

Ok, I searched the UN site for the name "Blatvasky" and nothing came up. I suspect that they saw your post on LGF and removed all the links and references.

I hate it when that happens.

/

359 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:15:57am

Alice Bre: #331 Teacake!

Search yahoo not all UN related links are at the UN site. I'll look for those later. Check out the Findhorn site and you will see some of the info there how they are linked with the UN - look at Alice baily info to as their are links from her info.

As for the hard drive, I had hoped to find that info but it was gone! It didn't save the old browser as much as I looked for it, found nothing. I lost 3 years of favorites!

Got it. Wow, the Theosophical Society is a UN NGO. Big fucking deal, so are hundreds of groups, groups that would be 100 percent opposed to what the Theosophical Society teaches.

But, I bet the the UN supports all those other groups to HIDE he fact that they give money to the Theosophical Society.

Now I see, my eyes are open. If you are going to use a list of NGO's that the UN gives money to, the whole fucking world would be part of the big bad NEW AGE movement.

As I said...

360 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:15:59am

re: #328 subsailor68

Well, Breitbart had an article on tax rebate potential:

Hill Republican: Stimulus aids illegal immigrants

And the Heritage Org carried this:

Senate Stimulus Bill Would Provide 300,000 Jobs for Illegal Immigrants

Not to waffle here, but I can't vouch for either organization.

Here's why...

Reid Blocks Amendment Requiring Citizenship Verification for Stimulus Recipients

361 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:16:00am

re: #351 realwest

Hey JCM my friend - I was doing my Paul Revere schtick last night and early this morning writing folks about that. I'd received an e-mail from someone and then Walter I. Newton posted something about it as well.

Frankly, the only people I want involved in my health care decisions are my oncologist and me; and for my 84 year old, diabetic mom, only her doctor and her.
And what the fuck this is doing in a "stimulus plan" is what folks ought to be writing Specter, Collins and Snowe about.

Bingo!
Look at the Daschle plan I posted....
Where is the CHOICE?

362 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:16:41am

Kenneth, Sorry to hear of your loss, my thoughts are with you friend.

363 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:16:44am

re: #352 yma o hyd

Heh - but have you tried to find a link with her spelling?

I know the CORRECT spelling, see my re: #359 Walter L. Newton

364 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:17:03am
365 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:17:10am

re: #351 realwest

Well, John Tester said that if it's in there, it must be there to create new jobs...

366 tackle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:17:41am

re: #353 JCM

Two chunks of the health care cost are liability insurance for the providers, and all the hidden costs to comply with the all the regulations. I'd like to see a major overhaul in those two areas before we start tossing the baby with the bath water.

Agreed. One of our employers is pushing a health savings plan which we might consider. When you have to pay cash, it makes you think twice about what you need and where you get it from.

367 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:17:58am

re: #354 subsailor68

Very good point. I'm not sure where news organizations - or any other for that matter - dig up their headline writers. You should see some of the gems in our local newspaper.

Guess it helps Jay Leno though.

These are indeed halcyon days for headline-related comedy. We can actually see serious headlines along the lines of:

"Obama Grapples With Boehner, Hopes For Quick Stimulus"

368 DistantThunder  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:18:07am

Obama can't force any of us to fully participate in the economy. It doesn't make sense that individuals or businesses will take on more debt when we are already so steeped in debt.

This is like the patient in the ER with internal bleeding. Despite pumping pints of fresh blood into the body, it is futile until the internal bleeding is stopped. That can only happen when debt is written down or written off and right now that is not happening.

369 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:18:07am

The theosophical society published a pretty good book about architecture in 1939.

But it is an obscure book, and old by now.

It was titled "The Beautiful Necessity".

370 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:18:14am

re: #338 SurferDoc

Umberto Eco knows his nutballs!

The book is great for pointing out the difference between critical thinks and... well.. all kinds of non-critical thinking.

It's gets you to thinking.

371 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:18:15am

whatever walter, you don['t have to be nasty. You disagree, fine. The UN is a harmless little group, right. Nothing dark about it. Okay.

372 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:18:19am

Geithner talking now. I hope some of our economic gurus are listening so they can explain how screwed we are going to be?

373 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:18:31am

re: #366 tackle

Agreed. One of our employers is pushing a health savings plan which we might consider. When you have to pay cash, it makes you think twice about what you need and where you get it from.

Same thing with taxes... If you had to pay the cash equivalent, I am sure people would rather see tax cuts...

374 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:18:47am

re: #363 Walter L. Newton

I know the CORRECT spelling, see my re: #359 Walter L. Newton

Yep - I saw that - that was just a feeble attempt by me to be funny.
Didn't work, sigh ...

:-(

375 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:19:37am

The other song my mother asked to be played is Leonard Cohen's masterpeice, Hallelujah. Many, many LGFers are familiar with the classic version, so here's a fine live version from a concert Cohen gave in 2008..

Youtube Video
376 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:19:44am

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

Here's why...

Reid Blocks Amendment Requiring Citizenship Verification for Stimulus Recipients

That's just infuriating. Why in the world would Harry Reid block that? Especially since it's brought by Sessions and Nelson...a Republican and a Democrat. What happened to bi-partisanship Senator Reid?

Moron.

377 Dreader1962  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:19:44am

I recommend the book "The Ominous Parallels", by Leonard Peikoff for an in-depth study of the rise of anti-Semitism. It's useful to study how an enlightened, civilized nation can be turned down the path of Fascism and genocide.

His book derives its name because he continues the analysis to American society to see if there are the same elements lurking in the shadows. I was very surprised to encounter people after 9/11 openly expressing anti-Semitic views - I thought them to be much rarer. I also could not understand why this attack by Islamic terrorists would evoke such a response - I guess in a twisted mind this makes 'sense'. In other words, to this way of thinking it is easier to remove what is supposedly motivating the attackers than opposing the evil itself. Very shortsighted, since these fanatics consider Israel to be the 'little satan' and the U.S. to be the 'Great Satan'.

I could never understand anti-Semitism. This Al Zedjali is apparently typical - accusing the Jews of doing 'too well' in the professional classes, making vague accusations of impropriety and then calling for the pogrom to 'take care' of the problem.

I'm especially amazed that he's claiming that no American has the ability to freely comment on international or national issues. Apparently he doesn't watch MSNBC and is completely unaware of DailyKOS and Huffington Post. Also, apparently he's claiming Obama is being controlled by the Jews - kind of strange given the effort toward rapprochement with Iran.

378 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:19:48am

re: #368 DistantThunder

I'm in the process of weaning myself off the bad parts of the economy. I'm going to be debt free by mid-June. I will then stick to savings and a cash only philosophy...

379 VegasRick  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:19:58am

re: #372 Nevergiveup

Geithner talking now. I hope some of our economic gurus are listening so they can explain how screwed we are going to be?

Down Jones -209

380 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:19:59am

re: #349 VegasRick

Obambi's man speaks, the market tanks. About to go under 8,000 again.
Stimulus indeed.

That might be because no one understands wft he is saying, or maybe that's just me. I swear last night I couldn't figure out what the point was he was trying to make when answering questions, and that was after 10 minute answers! Funny, I always understood Bush's answers and loved some of the slang words he would use.

381 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:20:13am

re: #351 realwest

And even Kennedy and John F*ing Kerry - health care is a big industry in Massachusetts. Biotech is big here; a "cost effectiveness" review will absolutely kill it.

I have contacted them, but I don't think it will have any more effect than the warnings on bottles of booze have on Kennedy.

382 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:20:26am

re: #345 yma o hyd

After 65, or 70, totally disregard all and any 'living healthyly' advice from anybody and just do, eat and live the way I enjoy it.
If I want to stuff my face with cream cakes, I will.
If I want to get sozzled on whisky or wine, or if I want to drench my innards in champagne, I will.
If I want to eat nice red meat every day, I will.
If I want to start smiking cigars, i wll.
If I want to just potter along and not punish meself with exercise, thats what I'll do!
If however I want to take up paragliding, I shall!
I will not eat 'healthy food' ebcause its 'good for me' - I'll eat wtf I like and want. And if that includes eating a pound of chocolates every week, so what!
If I want to sit on my PC or read books, and don't want to rusha round to gyms or run or any of that stuff - thast exactly what I'll do.
Sod waistlines, sod abs and glutes - life's too short, after a certaina ge!

Basically, its about taking control of one's life and doing what one wants, once all responsibilities for children and grandchildren have been discharged.

I'm blowed if I'm going to spend my last years of life on having a perfectly healthy body - and not have any fun at all.

LOL,
well alrighty then,
i'm not advocating a life w/ no fun. (i like cake)
i'm just not looking forward to getting ground up in the health care machine before i have to.

383 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:20:30am

re: #372 Nevergiveup

Geithner talking now. I hope some of our economic gurus are listening so they can explain how screwed we are going to be?

Why listen to a tax cheat? Will he pocket some of the dough himself?

384 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:21:01am

re: #346 DistantThunder

As Franklin D. Roosevelt said, “If you wait until you see the whites of their eyes, you will never know what hit you.”

True.

"Whites of their eyes" has to be taken in the military context of that day. Smoothbore muskets were inaccurate at longer ranges. Units fought in ranks using volley fire, with the sheer volume of musket balls increasing the likelyhood of getting hits on the enemy's men.

"Whites of their eyes" meant increasing the probability of hitting the oncoming British soldiers by waiting until they were so close that you almost couldn't miss. By the standards of the day, the tactic was risky, but potentially devastating.

385 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:21:06am

re: #320 Kenneth
LOL! Sorry Kenneth - this time I got a 403 and a 404 error!
Don't concern yourself with this anymore my friend, I wrote to you about the 403 before I heard about your mom's passing. She picked a truly great song and had a truly fine son. Focus on that, not on satisfying my stupid questions/comments.
Again, prayers going up for you and for your dad and especially for your Mom.

386 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:21:11am

re: #367 Occasional Reader

These are indeed halcyon days for headline-related comedy. We can actually see serious headlines along the lines of:

"Obama Grapples With Boehner, Hopes For Quick Stimulus"

ROTFLMAO! Gotta ask: did you make that up, or is it genuine? (For my part, I hope you made it up, cause it's a riot.)

387 tackle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:21:29am

re: #372 Nevergiveup

Geithner talking now. I hope some of our economic gurus are listening so they can explain how screwed we are going to be?


I still can't get over the fact that he's actually the Treasury Secretary. Every time I see his name I hear Steve Martin's voice in my head:
"I forgot to pay my taxes. Excuuuuuuse me!"

388 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:21:29am

re: #383 tfc3rid

Why listen to a tax cheat? Will he pocket some of the dough himself?

Well whatever he is, he is the Treasury Secretary and is making policy along with Obama.

389 DistantThunder  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:21:32am

re: #376 subsailor68

That's just infuriating. Why in the world would Harry Reid block that? Especially since it's brought by Sessions and Nelson...a Republican and a Democrat. What happened to bi-partisanship Senator Reid?

Moron.

Are you new? It's obviously to get the Hispanic vote, legal or illegal vote.

390 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:22:01am
391 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:22:08am

Some scant details of the $1.5 Financial Rescue Plan were released. The market immediately dropped:

Treasury joins with private capital to reset credit market

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Tuesday outlined the rough details of the government's new plan to rescue the financial industry and restart stalled credit markets, saying his and other agencies will partner with private capital to get the job done.
"Together with the Fed, FDIC and private sector, we will establish a Public Private Investment Fund," Geithner said in remarks prepared for delivery later Tuesday.
"This program will provide government capital and government financing to help leverage private capital to help get private markets working again for the legacy loans and assets that are now burdening the entire financial system."
While Geithner provided no exact details in the released comments, published reports say that the plan calls for a $250 to $500 billion program to encourage private investors to acquire illiquid mortgage securities from troubled financial institutions, reports say.
Early reception of the plan was negative, as financial stocks and the broader market fell when the scant details emerged.

So far, I still see no move to change the "mark to market" valuation model.

Until they change that, none of the rest of this is going to be much help, and the market is reflecting that, down about 2% at this moment.

The SEC also needs to reinstall the "uptick rule" for short sales.

392 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:22:40am

re: #366 tackle

Agreed. One of our employers is pushing a health savings plan which we might consider. When you have to pay cash, it makes you think twice about what you need and where you get it from.

Health Savings Accounts are a good idea. Customer pays for the little stuff, so they are wiser in using health care for theses things. But the big stuff is all covered. Customers get the balance in the HSA at the end of the year as an incentive.

393 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:22:44am

re: #371 Teacake!

whatever walter, you don['t have to be nasty. You disagree, fine. The UN is a harmless little group, right. Nothing dark about it. Okay.

No, I don't disagree, I say your are wrong. Period. I don't have any problem in taking that stand. You make some statements on a public forum, can't back them up with any information, yet you are telling me it's true because you say it's true.

Sorry, critical thinking doesn't work like that, thank goodness. Come back when you have something to show me.

And what's the problem? I'm not going to back down just because you don't like to be disagreed with.

394 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:23:05am

re: #377 Dreader1962

So, how likely do you think it is that Jew-hatred will rise in the US to the point where life gets uncomfortable for Jews?
(Real question - I have been wondering about this, but I don't have an answer.)

395 VegasRick  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:23:15am

re: #380 turn

That might be because no one understands wft he is saying, or maybe that's just me. I swear last night I couldn't figure out what the point was he was trying to make when answering questions, and that was after 10 minute answers! Funny, I always understood Bush's answers and loved some of the slang words he would use.

If Gietner speaks perfectly with no hesitations and speaks strongly, Biden understands 30% of what he says.

396 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:23:48am

re: #378 tfc3rid

That's wise. We pretty much got "even" right before we bought our first house a couple years ago. Not counting mortgage and those pesky student loans, of course. Makes life seem a lot easier when you don't have to start mentally subtracting 7 or 8 things when you look at a pay stub.

397 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:23:59am

re: #389 DistantThunder

Are you new? It's obviously to get the Hispanic vote, legal or illegal vote.

It's to further ingratitate the Dems to the future voters who they will have on the rolls by 2012 thanks to amnesty.

398 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:24:03am

re: #394 Kosh's Shadow

I hope that never never happens.

399 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:24:17am

re: #389 DistantThunder

Are you new? It's obviously to get the Hispanic vote, legal or illegal vote.

Well, that's a good point. It sounds like Reid. But then again, Nelson's a Democrat and he was a co-sponsor. Sigh, you're probably right on though.

400 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:24:29am

re: #382 nyc redneck

Oh absolutely!
I hate having to submit to them, and try my best not to fall into their clutches unless in dire straits.

Of course one's got to look after oneself - but after a certain age, when, as it were, the end is indeed in sight, having fun and enjoying oneself has priority, imho!

401 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:24:36am

The real stimulus - many women dream of sex with the Messiah

402 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:24:40am

re: #391 3 wood

It's all a waste of time 3Wood. All of this... Waste of time and money.

403 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:25:09am

re: #385 realwest

Check your email pal.

The Dem's want to control the voting public via health care decisions.

Some people will be deemed worth saving when they get sick, some won't.

404 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:25:15am

i heard a clip on the radio of O deflecting a question by making fun of biden.
O is disgusting.
look at all the people he has dumped on and used and made fun of.

he is so unpresidential.
AND UNCOOL.

405 UFO TOFU  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:25:43am

re: #401 faraway

Nope, I just can't make myself click on that.

406 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:25:47am

re: #344 tfc3rid

That's because she's running for Governor of Texas.

Rick Perry doesn't stand a chance.

407 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:25:49am

re: #390 buzzsawmonkey

Yep - or even a lot, if thats what you fancy right now!

408 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:25:58am

Sorry for the Reuters link.

Excerpts from Geithner's speech on bank plan

"Our challenge is much greater today because the American people have lost faith in the leaders of our financial institutions, and are skeptical that their government has -- to this point -- used taxpayers' money in ways that will benefit them.

Ahhhhhhhhh true and Obama has every intention of using taxpayer money.

"Look ahead:

"... I want to be candid: this comprehensive strategy will cost money, involve risk, and take time.

"We will have to adapt it as conditions change. We will have to try things we've never tried before. We will make mistakes. We will go through periods in which things get worse and progress is uneven or interrupted.

"But we will be guided by the principles of transparency and accountability...

So far, so good. They are transparent and all I see is the same BS.

409 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:01am

re: #396 Lincolntf

That's wise. We pretty much got "even" right before we bought our first house a couple years ago. Not counting mortgage and those pesky student loans, of course. Makes life seem a lot easier when you don't have to start mentally subtracting 7 or 8 things when you look at a pay stub.

Just trying to follow up on Dave Ramsey's Baby Steps. It is true, once I get the debts paid off, that savings per month is REALLY going to add up.

410 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:15am

re: #402 tfc3rid

It's all a waste of time 3Wood. All of this... Waste of time and money.

But it's good for us. Obama said last night that the government is the only way out of this.

/bullshit

411 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:22am

re: #267 JCM

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan

. . . One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.
. . .
He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Yep...... Change is in the wind.
Hope I survive.

Oh, good grief!

Now the federal gubmint will be deciding what is appropriate treatment for me? This will no longer be my choice and that of my doctor? I hope I will fit their criteria for being one worth saving . . .

I am not willing to accept a "hopeless" diagnosis. I can't believe he said that. There have been too many cases of a "hopeless" diagnosis by local doctors without the proper expertise and knowledge, and the patient going to a state-of-the-art medical center and receiving treatment that results in their survival.

412 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:23am

re: #391 3 wood

In english, is their plan rational or just liberal spending?

413 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:31am

re: #355 Teacake!

Link removed

You are sourcing a jew hate site. I won't link it but if you go to their current articles list you will be able to easily ascertain this, here's just one example among many of the kookspiricist articles there:

Nefarious Zionist Plot to Occupy Western Hemisphere For Total Hegemony Under Genocidal Terrorism

414 kcladderman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:40am

re: #374 yma o hyd

Yep - I saw that - that was just a feeble attempt by me to be funny.
Didn't work, sigh ...

:-(

I got it

415 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:45am

re: #401 faraway

The real stimulus - many women dream of sex with the Messiah


Bill Clinton is soooo jealous.

416 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:52am

re: #404 nyc redneck

i heard a clip on the radio of O deflecting a question by making fun of biden.
O is disgusting.
look at all the people he has dumped on and used and made fun of.

he is so unpresidential.
AND UNCOOL.

wonder how many body blows 'ol Joe will take for the team?....

417 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:52am

re: #406 DeafDog

Rick Perry doesn't stand a chance.

Perry is term limited I think.

418 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:55am

re: #328 subsailor68
Well the Heritiage organization is a conservative think tank if that's any help to you!

419 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:26:57am

Obama's tax-cheat guy is speaking. He opened his mouth and the market dropped nearly 200 points!

Thanks, assholes.

420 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:27:01am

re: #403 3 wood

Check your email pal.

The Dem's want to control the voting public via health care decisions.

Some people will be deemed worth saving when they get sick, some won't.

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:
Scary stuff.

421 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:27:23am

re: #353 JCM

Two chunks of the health care cost are liability insurance for the providers, and all the hidden costs to comply with the all the regulations. I'd like to see a major overhaul in those two areas before we start tossing the baby with the bath water.

It sounds like part of your 'chunks' could be greatly helped by tort reform. My GP told me he pays in excess of $250,000/yr in liability insurance premiums.....and that was several years ago.

I understand there are bad doctors out there, but I have to believe it's a pretty small percentage. We have to realize that doctors are human and allow for some level of honest mistakes and limit some of the 'pain & suffering' awards that go into the millions of dollars. Money doesn't fix 'pain & suffering' and its loss can cause a lot for a lot of people.

422 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:27:32am
423 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:27:42am

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

But it's good for us. Obama said last night that the government is the only way out of this.

/bullshit

It's sort of the Reverse of Regan's 'Government IS the problem' statement.

424 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:28:04am

re: #408 jorline

"But we will be guided by the principles of transparency and accountability...

Crash and burn, but we'll be transparent about it.

425 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:28:04am

re: #386 subsailor68

ROTFLMAO! Gotta ask: did you make that up, or is it genuine? (For my part, I hope you made it up, cause it's a riot.)

I made it up... but I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if that actual headline has appeared in a "real" news source during the last week or two.

426 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:28:05am

re: #403 3 wood

Check your email pal.

The Dem's want to control the voting public via health care decisions.

Some people will be deemed worth saving when they get sick, some won't.

Dems live and Republicans die? Will GOP candidates' health info be leaked during campaigns? Remember sealed divorce records of an opponent were 'leaked' during one of Obama's campaigns.

427 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:28:12am

re: #345 yma o hyd

After 65, or 70, totally disregard all and any 'living healthyly' advice from anybody and just do, eat and live the way I enjoy it.
If I want to stuff my face with cream cakes, I will.
If I want to get sozzled on whisky or wine, or if I want to drench my innards in champagne, I will.
If I want to eat nice red meat every day, I will.
If I want to start smiking cigars, i wll.
If I want to just potter along and not punish meself with exercise, thats what I'll do!
If however I want to take up paragliding, I shall!
I will not eat 'healthy food' ebcause its 'good for me' - I'll eat wtf I like and want. And if that includes eating a pound of chocolates every week, so what!
If I want to sit on my PC or read books, and don't want to rusha round to gyms or run or any of that stuff - thast exactly what I'll do.
Sod waistlines, sod abs and glutes - life's too short, after a certaina ge!

Basically, its about taking control of one's life and doing what one wants, once all responsibilities for children and grandchildren have been discharged.

I'm blowed if I'm going to spend my last years of life on having a perfectly healthy body - and not have any fun at all.

Heh.
My grandfather was a smoker, but pretty much gave it up during the years while my mom and her sister were growing up, and while he was still working.

When he retired - took it up again. Thoroughly enjoyed it, he did.

428 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:28:15am

re: #420 JCM

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan:
Scary stuff.

Yup. Well I've made it to 54 already and have sowed a few oats along the way, but I feel sorry for my kids.

429 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:28:18am

re: #350 Occasional Reader

"We've got to help Kay Baily!"

-Angels

Clearance, I think you should stay awy from the Meade wine.

430 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:28:41am

re: #376 subsailor68

That's just infuriating. Why in the world would Harry Reid block that? Especially since it's brought by Sessions and Nelson...a Republican and a Democrat. What happened to bi-partisanship Senator Reid?

Moron.

Harry's days may be numbered...

Nevadans Launch In-State 'Dump Reid' Effort

CARSON CITY, Nev., Feb. 8 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A new Nevada-based organization, Independent Nevadans for Change, officially launched today its political effort to defeat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) in 2010 with the release of its new website: DumpReid.com.

"Democrats, Republicans and independent voters don't often agree on much," said longtime political activist Chuck Muth, director of the Dump Reid project, "but a growing number from all philosophical walks of life agree that it's time to change Nevada's senior U.S. senator."

Independent Nevadans for Change is an IRS 527 organization which will use the Internet to recruit opposition and raise money for TV, radio, direct mail and other traditional campaign activities for the 2010 campaign.

The DumpReid.com website and blog was developed by Eric Odom, a web strategist and online social media expert with deep Nevada roots. Odom notes that many on the left are just as dissatisfied with Harry Reid as those on the right.

Muth said he welcomes out-of-state efforts to oust Reid next year, but added, "We Nevadans know Harry Reid. We know the players. We know the issues. We know the electorate. And while voters around the nation understandably want to dump Harry Reid, it ultimately will have to be done by Nevadans themselves. That's why I established this in-state group dedicated to 'daschling' Harry Reid next year."

That's a reference to the 2004 defeat of then-Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-South Dakota).

"Dumping Harry Reid won't be easy," concluded Muth, "but to borrow a phrase: 'Yes We Can!'"

431 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:28:56am

OT Y'all - from Rasmussen Reports:

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of American adults believe that when members of Congress meet with regulators and other government officials, they do so to help their friends and hurt their political opponents. In a solid display of agreement across party lines, a majority of Democrats, Republicans and those unaffiliated with either major party share this view.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 19% disagree and believe that their elected officials try to achieve a fair result in such meetings. Twenty-two percent (22%) of adults are not sure.

Government employees are more likely than others to think that members of Congress meet with government officials to help friends and hurt opponents. Seventy-four percent (74%) of those on the public payroll hold that view, while only 10% believe the legislators meet to get a fair results.
[emphasis added, realwest]
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

432 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:28:59am

re: #395 VegasRick

If Gietner speaks perfectly with no hesitations and speaks strongly, Biden understands 30% of what he says.

What a team, empty suit and empty head. Jeeze we're in for a rough ride.

433 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:29:20am

re: #418 realwest

Well the Heritiage organization is a conservative think tank if that's any help to you!

Yep, that I knew. Catch em on CSPAN once in awhile.

434 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:29:36am

re: #411 reine.de.tout

Oh, good grief!

Now the federal gubmint will be deciding what is appropriate treatment for me? This will no longer be my choice and that of my doctor? I hope I will fit their criteria for being one worth saving . . .

I am not willing to accept a "hopeless" diagnosis. I can't believe he said that. There have been too many cases of a "hopeless" diagnosis by local doctors without the proper expertise and knowledge, and the patient going to a state-of-the-art medical center and receiving treatment that results in their survival.


Oregon passed "assisted suicide" a while back. Patients have gotten letters that the State will cover suicide meds, but not treatment.

435 godfrey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:29:48am

Screw these officious totalitarian busybodies.

436 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:30:15am

re: #404 nyc redneck

i heard a clip on the radio of O deflecting a question by making fun of biden.
O is disgusting.
look at all the people he has dumped on and used and made fun of.

he is so unpresidential.
AND UNCOOL.

That comment of the O's was completely disrespectful of Biden. Totally.

You would think Obama would realize that making fun of HIS OWN CHOICE for running mate would cause people to question his own judgement.

He is way overboard arrogant, too sure of himself and how "right" he is.

437 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:30:35am

re: #434 JCM

Oregon passed "assisted suicide" a while back. Patients have gotten letters that the State will cover suicide meds, but not treatment.

So much for HOPE.

438 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:30:45am

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

But it's good for us. Obama said last night that the government is the only way out of this.

/bullshit

I had a conversation last night with an economist, whom I respect, and who's a Republican... and she wasn't nearly as down on the "stimulus package" as I expected. I was quite surprised. FWIW.

439 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:31:03am

Geithner - "We will have to try things we never tried before" Yea, Socialism.

440 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:31:14am

re: #421 eschew_obfuscation

It sounds like part of your 'chunks' could be greatly helped by tort reform. My GP told me he pays in excess of $250,000/yr in liability insurance premiums.....and that was several years ago.

I understand there are bad doctors out there, but I have to believe it's a pretty small percentage. We have to realize that doctors are human and allow for some level of honest mistakes and limit some of the 'pain & suffering' awards that go into the millions of dollars. Money doesn't fix 'pain & suffering' and its loss can cause a lot for a lot of people.

Adverse outcomes are not lawsuit material IMHO. Life happens and it's not always what we want.

Physician negligence and malpractice certainly.

A large number of suits are for adverse outcomes.

441 phoenixgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:31:41am

re: #434 JCM

Oregon passed "assisted suicide" a while back. Patients have gotten letters that the State will cover suicide meds, but not treatment.

isn't that lovely! paging dr. kevorkian.......

442 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:31:52am

Sounds like I may be able to travel to Cuba soon. Anyone want some cigars?

443 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:31:55am

re: #411 reine.de.tout

Oh, good grief!

Now the federal gubmint will be deciding what is appropriate treatment for me? This will no longer be my choice and that of my doctor? I hope I will fit their criteria for being one worth saving . . .

I am not willing to accept a "hopeless" diagnosis. I can't believe he said that. There have been too many cases of a "hopeless" diagnosis by local doctors without the proper expertise and knowledge, and the patient going to a state-of-the-art medical center and receiving treatment that results in their survival.

Also - its not a question of 'the Europeans' being more willing to accept hopless diagnoses etc.
That is definitely not the case in Germany, Switzerland, France, The Netherlands ...
For us Brits - we don't have any effen choice!
Yes, there is some sort of private health insurance - but they have all sorts of clauses, so your 'hopeless' diagnosis won't be paid for by that insurance.
So you're back with the good od bad old NHS ... which is pretty impressive if you're still 'productive' - but once you're old, forget it.

444 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:32:02am

re: #430 NJDhockeyfan

I wish Independent Nevadans for Change all the luck in the world!

;-)

445 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:32:10am

re: #368 DistantThunder

Obama can't force any of us to fully participate in the economy. It doesn't make sense that individuals or businesses will take on more debt when we are already so steeped in debt.

This is like the patient in the ER with internal bleeding. Despite pumping pints of fresh blood into the body, it is futile until the internal bleeding is stopped. That can only happen when debt is written down or written off and right now that is not happening.


It's worse than that because the Obama plan is to subsidize folks who are not participating and increase taxes on those who do.

It makes no sense in less your goal is a redistribution of wealth.

446 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:32:32am

re: #434 JCM

Oregon passed "assisted suicide" a while back. Patients have gotten letters that the State will cover suicide meds, but not treatment.

Oh, you are not kidding about that, are you?

I'm just speechless.

447 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:32:50am

re: #442 faraway

Sounds like I may be able to travel to Cuba soon. Anyone want some cigars?

Monica does.

448 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:32:59am
449 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:33:05am

re: #434 JCM

Oregon passed "assisted suicide" a while back. Patients have gotten letters that the State will cover suicide meds, but not treatment.

When do they start making soylent green?

450 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:33:39am

re: #436 reine.de.tout

That comment of the O's was completely disrespectful of Biden. Totally.

I missed it. What did he say?

(Somewhat ironic, given the Obama previously chided Biden for making a slight about Justice Roberts - one of the few Obama moves I've applauded.)

451 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:34:01am

re: #401 faraway

The real stimulus - many women dream of sex with the Messiah

Read that earlier. Some of the comments to that piece were a hoot. I sensed she left out a few details about her dream in that first sentence. I think it more likely she dreamed he was showering after having had sex with her and her husbands displeasure with the cigarette was reference to O's "you know what".

452 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:34:05am

re: #449 Kosh's Shadow

When do they start making soylent green?

I wonder if Charlton Heston and Edward G. Robinson realized at the time they were actually making a documentary?

453 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:34:10am

re: #450 Occasional Reader

I missed it. What did he say?

(Somewhat ironic, given the Obama previously chided Biden for making a slight about Justice Roberts - one of the few Obama moves I've applauded.)

There's a transcript somewhere, I'll have to go look for it . . .

454 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:34:21am

I am trying to imagine Putin being our President. Would he have enacted any legislation different than Obama's?

455 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:34:36am

re: #380 turn

That might be because no one understands wft he is saying, or maybe that's just me. I swear last night I couldn't figure out what the point was he was trying to make when answering questions, and that was after 10 minute answers! Funny, I always understood Bush's answers and loved some of the slang words he would use.

GWB was not hip, slick or cool, nor was he particularly articulate. He did have the virtue of being a plain--if ideosyncratic--talker, and I miss him.

456 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:34:56am

re: #438 Occasional Reader

I had a conversation last night with an economist, whom I respect, and who's a Republican... and she wasn't nearly as down on the "stimulus package" as I expected. I was quite surprised. FWIW.

In a perfect world, maybe this would work. But there is so much money that will just be skimmed right off the top to start with, half of it will disappear in administrative cost right away.

And the people getting laid off, or loosing jobs, are white collar and home deport workers. I'm tech, I don't drive a bulldozer and neither does the guy at home depot.

This bill is going to put money right back in the same pockets that have been getting federal funds for ever.

Same bullshit, different day.

457 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:35:12am

re: #376 subsailor68
Hey sub - still no e-mail! Er, unless you're trying to sell me discount meds from Canada, but I think that one was from Specter's office!

458 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:35:40am

re: #450 Occasional Reader

I missed it. What did he say?

(Somewhat ironic, given the Obama previously chided Biden for making a slight about Justice Roberts - one of the few Obama moves I've applauded.)

Video here.

459 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:35:51am

re: #436 reine.de.tout

That comment of the O's was completely disrespectful of Biden. Totally.

You would think Obama would realize that making fun of HIS OWN CHOICE for running mate would cause people to question his own judgement.

He is way overboard arrogant, too sure of himself and how "right" he is.

and i heard laughter and guffawing from the audience.
as he implied the vice-president was an imbecile.
O is a disgrace. anyone seems to be fodder for him protecting his image.
we used to joke abt. him throwing his wife under the bus.
he probably would. he is a total narcissist.
how can anyone trust a person like this?

460 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:36:03am

Hi reine.

Thank you for the Honco link.

461 yenta-fada  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:36:23am
i heard a clip on the radio of O deflecting a question by making fun of biden.
O is disgusting.
look at all the people he has dumped on and used and made fun of.

he is so unpresidential.
AND UNCOOL.

Obama got where he is by slinging shit at his opponents. Remember when he flipped the bird at Hilary (subtle and grinning like an idiot)? Then he self-righteously whines about how unfair and awful things are. ONE TRICK PONY. Get used to his style. Not a grown up who takes responsibility.

462 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:36:39am

re: #446 reine.de.tout

Oh, you are not kidding about that, are you?

I'm just speechless.

Cost benefit.......

463 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:36:49am

re: #442 faraway

Sounds like I may be able to travel to Cuba soon. Anyone want some cigars?

I'd go down there in a heartbeat...the feds are astoundingly hyopocritical toward Cuba

464 phoenixgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:36:51am

i loved megyn kelly questioning arlen "why is there an "r" after my name" spector

he committed to vote for the stimulus package even though with medical ear mark he would be culled for the good of society! heh! well that would create one job i suppose!/

465 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:37:03am

re: #427 reine.de.tout

Yep - something like that was in my mind ...!

Its about enjoying what one's got left, and not trying to live like a good little puritan, fearful of being found guilty.

466 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:37:42am

Walter, that site Teacakes linked also has articles on Obama and UFOs, Fortress America kookspiricism, and other things. It's a rotting cesspit of bad craziness.

467 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:37:57am

It's amazing that everything happening now is what I pictured Obama doing but hoping he wouldn't...

Remember those days when we joked when we Conservatives would be put in re-education camps, etc... Were we joking? I think Obama is flat out pissed that the Dems have been caught on this bill... He will blame it on the Conservatives and talkradio and away we go...

468 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:38:00am

re: #436 reine.de.tout

Hi reine, why the hell did O choose Biden anyway? Still can't figure that out.

469 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:38:10am

re: #465 yma o hyd

Yep - something like that was in my mind ...!

Its about enjoying what one's got left, and not trying to live like a good little puritan, fearful of being found guilty.

I'm gonna go a little crazy in my old age. I feel like I've earned it.

470 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:38:12am

re: #459 nyc redneck

and i heard laughter and guffawing from the audience.
as he implied the vice-president was an imbecile.
O is a disgrace. anyone seems to be fodder for him protecting his image.
we used to joke abt. him throwing his wife under the bus.
he probably would. he is a total narcissist.
how can anyone trust a person like this?

You can't trust a person like that. You are right - he clearly implied that Biden was an imbecile.

With the very public disrespect Obama has shown Biden, I can't believe Biden has the ability to show up places, smiling and supportive of the O.

Biden really does say some very very strange things - but he's got a heck of a lot more class than the O.

471 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:38:22am

Teenagers spend an average of 31 hours a week online and nearly two hours a week looking at pornography, according to a study.

472 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:38:26am

re: #457 realwest

Hey sub - still no e-mail! Er, unless you're trying to sell me discount meds from Canada, but I think that one was from Specter's office!

That's odd - it sent okay. I also tried to set up the email in my account, but my nic's not blue. Wonder what I did wrong. Let me try again.

473 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:38:26am

re: #460 jorline

Hi reine.

Thank you for the Honco link.

That was funny, wasn't it?

474 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:38:46am
475 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:38:59am

17:49 Amnesty Int`l: Hamas is kidnapping, torturing, killing opponents (Army Radio)

In other breaking news, it's been reported that the Allies have landed in Normandy France.

476 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:39:05am

re: #471 faraway

Teenagers spend an average of 31 hours a week online and nearly two hours a week looking at pornography, according to a study.

/Only 2 hours?! What is wrong with kids these days? Back in my day . . .

477 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:39:11am

re: #455 Who Watches the Watchmen?

GWB was not hip, slick or cool, nor was he particularly articulate. He did have the virtue of being a plain--if ideosyncratic--talker, and I miss him.

Me too, and he didn't need no stinking teleprompter because he spoke from his heart.

478 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:39:54am

re: #468 turn

Hi reine, why the hell did O choose Biden anyway? Still can't figure that out.

My personal opinion - everybody else turned him down.
bwahahahahaha!
And so he was "stuck".
Biden was rarely seen during the campaign.
And now, Obama is making fun of his own choice.

479 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:40:32am

re: #477 turn

Me too, and he didn't need no stinking teleprompter because he spoke from his heart.

And, he actually really understood what he was talking about.

480 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:41:05am

re: #467 tfc3rid

It's amazing that everything happening now is what I pictured Obama doing but hoping he wouldn't...

Remember those days when we joked when we Conservatives would be put in re-education camps, etc... Were we joking? I think Obama is flat out pissed that the Dems have been caught on this bill... He will blame it on the Conservatives and talkradio and away we go...

I have a plan B for that scenario...haha

481 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:41:16am

re: #434 JCM

Oregon passed "assisted suicide" a while back. Patients have gotten letters that the State will cover suicide meds, but not treatment.

That is so inhumane, it is beyond belief!

Sadly, it seems to be the way a lot of modern thought is going.

Doctors, who ahve sworn the Hippocratic Oath, have the duty to alleviate your pain and diminish your suffering, even if such treatment will not cure you.
They cannot be allowed to decide that you might as well be dead ... for cost reasons.

482 Dreader1962  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:41:19am

re: #394 Kosh's Shadow

So, how likely do you think it is that Jew-hatred will rise in the US to the point where life gets uncomfortable for Jews?
(Real question - I have been wondering about this, but I don't have an answer.)

It won't, necessarily. Peikoff's premise was that in a turbulent environment, the demagogue riles the crowd up by finding a scapegoat group to attack. He didn't specify the Jews in the hypothetical U.S. scenario - it could be any minority group. When I read the book initially, I thought that it could be blacks or Hispanics; after encountering the anti-Semitism after 9/11, I had to consider that it could well be the Jews again.

483 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:41:20am

re: #474 buzzsawmonkey

Bidenblather makes Obamablather sound erudite.

You're not floating that "Bidenblather Group" conspiracy theory again, are you?

484 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:41:27am

Arab nutjobs are not alone:

ADL poll: Almost half of Europeans feel Jews not loyal to their countries


over a third of Europeans feel Jews hold "too much power" in the financial and business world, an Anti Defamation League poll showed.

but at least some people like us.

485 lostlakehiker  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:41:56am

re: #241 Walter L. Newton

It didn't work because the public didn't want it. It's rally a very good idea. A coin has a much better shelf life than currency, it's actually saves the government (us) money in production costs.

High value coinage has been used in Europe for ages. It's interesting that we have just started to use the fancy security measures in our currency. They had most of this in Europe for years.

If only we had high-value coinage. Time was, a quarter and a few pennies bought a gallon of gasoline. Not that it was much cheaper in real terms; you'd need 20 minutes labor to get your quarter. We should have $2 and $5 coins, as well as dollar coins. And get rid of that stupid penny already.

Before this notion that we can inflate our way to prosperity has lost its popularity, we are going to be looking at ten-dollar coins. Who wants to carry 80 quarters for bus fare daily?

486 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:41:58am

Okay, sometimes I can be a little dense tech-wise. Can anyone tell me how to set up email so my nic turns blue (kinda like my face right now after messing around)?

487 mytralman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:42:00am

The Arab Jew haters like this ignorant turd hate them because they can not match the Israelis in any metric of twentieth century achievement or social worth. They want someone else to destroy them because they are not up to the job. Their hatred is an admission that their culture is failing. Indeed, hatred itself is an admission of weakness. Most of these people would still be herding sheep in the desert if the sand wasn't saturated with oil. And what have they done with the money? Spent huge sums of it for arms to protect themselves, not from Israel but from their neighbors, or even their own citizens. This guy has nothing to offer his "people" other than dreams of mass murder. What a vision.

488 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:42:01am

re: #473 reine.de.tout

That was funny, wasn't it?

It was funny.

489 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:42:02am

re: #466 Thanos

Walter, that site Teacakes linked also has articles on Obama and UFOs, Fortress America kookspiricism, and other things. It's a rotting cesspit of bad craziness.

Yea, I know. And you know where I would go with this, but I've been batting these balls for so long, it's almost like the DI thing, like whack a mole, knock them down, they pop up someplace else.

I'll be back in a minute. Someone is knocking at my door. That's the door in my closet in my garden apartment, you know, a basement apartment. It's one of the guards of one of the entrances to Aragttha and I have to see what he wants.

I saw Charles walking through my passage one evening. I guess he was coming from the complex under DIA, headed for the complex under Steamboat Springs.

490 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:42:13am
491 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:42:13am

re: #411 reine.de.tout
Hi reine! "Now the federal gubmint will be deciding what is appropriate treatment for me? This will no longer be my choice and that of my doctor?" Thats pretty much what the "Stimulus Bill" provides. That's why I've been writing to a number of LGFer's and other folks, not to mention - futile though it would appear to be - several congresscritters.
There are DEMOCRAT Congresscritters out there who don't know that that provision is in this Stimulus Bill.
Can't blame 'em, I guess, the damned bill that Nancy Pelosi (D-Stupid) wrote is well over 700 pages long, and their staffers are only looking for stuff that might hurt the Democratic Congresscritters chances for re-election.
BTW - those healthcare provisions don't apply to congresscritters or - if they've served long enough - retired congresscritters or the POTUS or former Presidents.

492 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:42:18am

I was joking last night whe n the press conference is on that a journo would ask:

'Mr. President, you look wonderful tonight. Your wisdom on economic policy is incredible. My question for you is, how ofen and for how long do you work out each day?'

This is insane idol worship.

493 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:43:04am

re: #479 reine.de.tout

And, he actually really understood what he was talking about.

and WE actually understood what he was talking abt.

494 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:43:15am

re: #462 JCM

Cost benefit.......

Great article, I bookmarked it. thanks.

495 infidel4ever  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:43:20am

Breaking news:

British government has decided to deny Geert Wilders entry in Great Britain. Probably still scared of action by lord Ahmed's thugs.

The Dutch Foreign Office (Maxime Verhagen) has made it's "displeasure" known and considers the matter "unfortunate".

Such brave words...

496 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:43:30am

re: #471 faraway

Teenagers spend an average of 31 hours a week online and nearly two hours a week looking at pornography, according to a study.

Just a matter of time until they won't be able to see it anymore.

497 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:43:31am
498 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:44:04am

re: #485 lostlakehiker

"Big Wallet" will never let it happen. /

Besides, who wants to carry a change purse?

499 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:44:22am

re: #483 Occasional Reader

You're not floating that "Bidenblather Group" conspiracy theory again, are you?

No, it's Madame Bidenlavatsky! get it right. I got links (somewhere, let me look, oops, they're are on a memory stick that I gave my grandmother before she died... sorry)

500 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:44:38am

re: #491 realwest


BTW - those healthcare provisions don't apply to congresscritters or - if they've served long enough - retired congresscritters or the POTUS or former Presidents.

Of course, if the cost effectiveness provisions destroy medical research, the congresscritters won't get all those nice new medications and treatments, so they still get stuck to some extent.

501 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:44:40am

re: #458 reine.de.tout

Video here.

Hm.

I have to say, from my view of the video, it's not a slam-dunk that he was mocking Biden. Probably, but a little hard to say. That "not surprisingly" could be read as a way of saying, "I don't remember this one particular quote that you're reading back to me".

502 CommonCents  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:44:47am
No American citizen is free today to utter a single word about international or even national issues.

From an A.C., I've been FREELY uttering single words about international AND national issues all day, all week, all month, all year. Still waiting for the thought police to come and get me.

-- Common bin Jesus al Cents.

503 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:45:03am

re: #437 jorline
Hey jorline - hope you're doing ok today - and thanks for that e-mail!

504 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:45:09am

re: #469 redstateredneck

I'm gonna go a little crazy in my old age. I feel like I've earned it.

Just so!

I'm working on becoming a really fearsome old woman who says what she thinks with total disregard to PC - in the nicest, politest way, natch!

:-)

505 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:45:30am

re: #495 infidel4ever

Iran's actions were also 'unfortunate'

506 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:45:34am

re: #478 reine.de.tout

My personal opinion - everybody else turned him down.
bwahahahahaha!
And so he was "stuck".
Biden was rarely seen during the campaign.
And now, Obama is making fun of his own choice.

In the back of my head I'm thinking it was a deliberate choice to deflect criticism away from O's lack of experience and focus it on Biden's gaffes. It makes O look like the smart one.

507 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:45:47am

re: #504 yma o hyd

Just so!

I'm working on becoming a really fearsome old woman who says what she thinks with total disregard to PC - in the nicest, politest way, natch!

:-)

I want to be a conservative version of Andy Rooney.

508 Kragarghazi  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:45:49am

re: #486 subsailor68

Okay, sometimes I can be a little dense tech-wise. Can anyone tell me how to set up email so my nic turns blue (kinda like my face right now after messing around)?

Put your email adress in the box which says email and check the box which says show email

509 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:45:49am

re: #412 Nevergiveup

In english, is their plan rational or just liberal spending?

It might slightly reduce the immediate pain as compared to a complete crash of the financial system, but I don't think at this point this plan is worth the cost.

But again, if they had just dropped the mark to market, the true problem in the financial system would have been reduced by about half.

I think a "Resolution Trust part 2" move in combination with dropping the mark to market would work fairly well.

510 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:45:57am

re: #481 yma o hyd

That is so inhumane, it is beyond belief!

Sadly, it seems to be the way a lot of modern thought is going.

Doctors, who ahve sworn the Hippocratic Oath, have the duty to alleviate your pain and diminish your suffering, even if such treatment will not cure you.
They cannot be allowed to decide that you might as well be dead ... for cost reasons.

this is horrible.
it shows such a cold sinister mind set.
hitler liked it.
what now stands btw us and animals?
the pills to hasten death.

511 VegasRick  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:46:05am

re: #444 subsailor68

I wish Independent Nevadans for Change all the luck in the world!

;-)

Thanks! I'll be there!

512 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:46:06am

re: #494 reine.de.tout

Great article, I bookmarked it. thanks.

Netherlands is a glimpse of the future when you follow Daschles' health care logic.

513 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:47:02am

re: #502 CommonCents

From an A.C., I've been FREELY uttering single words about international AND national issues all day, all week, all month, all year. Still waiting for the thought police to come and get me.

-- Common bin Jesus al Cents.

Of course, it was the moonbats complaining about the thought police under the Bush administration. I never had the chance to tell them "Well, I'd better get away before they come for you."

Now, the 0bama administration is actually talking about controlling speech, especially talk radio. One might say they seem to be in a Rush about it.

514 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:47:05am

re: #508 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Put your email adress in the box which says email and check the box which says show email

Thanks! (Now I feel really stupid.) I assume it's in My Account. Let me try.

515 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:47:48am

re: #483 Occasional Reader

You're not floating that "Bidenblather Group" conspiracy theory again, are you?

Secret Website for the Bidenblather Group

516 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:47:52am

BBIAB - I have to get ready for some work. I will be at the theatre most of the day, we're cleaning up the scene shop (six years worth of clutter), so, you won't have me to knock around today.
/

517 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:47:53am

re: #503 realwest

Hey jorline - hope you're doing ok today - and thanks for that e-mail!

Good morning, RW. Thanks for the heads up. I've received two standard form email messages from my Senators. Cornyn's office replied last night.

How are you my friend?

518 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:47:58am

re: #438 Occasional Reader
Well how down on it was she? I've seen articles by ecnomics professors - some quite liberal or leftist - who say that of the $900 Billion or so in the bill, less than $400 Billion is going to "stimulate" the economy and less than $125 Billion will do so in 2009; the breaks are in 2010 and 2012 - gee wonder why the gubmint would want to spend all that money in those years?!

519 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:48:09am

re: #507 Walter L. Newton

I want to be a conservative version of Andy Rooney.

My new role model for How To Be An Old Man: Clint Eastwood.

(Born 1930, still kicks ass)

520 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:48:26am

re: #426 faraway

Dems live and Republicans die? Will GOP candidates' health info be leaked during campaigns? Remember sealed divorce records of an opponent were 'leaked' during one of Obama's campaigns.

I'm thinking more like younger, supposedly "productive workers" will be deemed worth saving. Older people past working age, well, not so much.

It will boil down to rationing.

521 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:48:28am

Ouch Kragar! Not in My Account - right here. Yay!

522 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:48:30am

Iraqi Rock Group Welcomed to US by Metallica

I hear they added a sax player named Kenny G-Hod.

Kidding aside, I hope they stay safe.

523 Kragarghazi  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:48:50am

re: #514 subsailor68

Thanks! (Now I feel really stupid.) I assume it's in My Account. Let me try.

Actually its at the bottom of the page just above where you enter your comments.

524 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:49:30am

re: #518 realwest

Tried the email again...finally found out (thanks to Kragar) how to turn my "bright nic's blue".

525 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:49:36am

So if they are dropping the travel and commerce bad on Cuba does that mean that somebody is gonna establish a Major League Baseball Franchise there? Castro was a pitcher wasn't he?

526 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:49:44am

re: #519 Occasional Reader

My new role model for How To Be An Old Man: Clint Eastwood. (Born 1930, still kicks ass)

I'm not as physically impressive as he is. My mouth is my weapon. Ouch, shit, I just bit my tongue. Got to be careful with a dangerous weapon.

Ok, off to clean up. BBIAB.

527 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:49:55am

re: #517 jorline

Good morning, RW. Thanks for the heads up. I've received two standard form email messages from my Senators. Cornyn's office replied last night.

How are you my friend?

Cornyn was not involved in the cloture vote... He was at a 'previous engagement'. He's said the right things but come on man, be in on the damn cloture vote...

528 Desert Dog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:49:56am

re: #512 JCM

Netherlands is a glimpse of the future when you follow Daschles' health care logic.

Just look up to our northern neighbors to see our future. Rationing of procedures, long waiting lists for things we take for granted here. At least our pills will be cheap. We will be needing more pills since surgery or simple outpatient stuff will be 6 months on the list.....

529 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:50:05am

Holy crap...the vote must be near.

The Dow dropped from -77 points to -300.

530 CommonCents  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:50:15am

re: #513 Kosh's Shadow

Of course, it was the moonbats complaining about the thought police under the Bush administration. I never had the chance to tell them "Well, I'd better get away before they come for you."

Now, the 0bama administration is actually talking about controlling speech, especially talk radio. One might say they seem to be in a Rush about it.

Perhaps that is the last bastion of the economy that is still functioning. Radio station ad sales will plummet if they have to air liberal drivel 1/2 the day.

531 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:50:29am

re: #525 Nevergiveup

So if they are dropping the travel and commerce bad on Cuba does that mean that somebody is gonna establish a Major League Baseball Franchise there? Castro was a pitcher wasn't he?

and Che was the catcher....woohoo!

532 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:50:35am

re: #443 yma o hyd
Hi {yma} - "old NHS ... which is pretty impressive if you're still 'productive' - but once you're old, forget it."
Yeah, the language in this "Stimulus Bill" on health care could easily be read to say the same thing, mostly cause that IS what it says, only with a little bit of window dressing.

533 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:50:37am

Waiting for all the prominent folks who rightfully excoriated "Bishop" Williamson to jump up and decry this "cleric" in the same loud voices.

[crickets]

534 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:50:38am
No American citizen is free today to utter a single word about international or even national issues.

Late to this thread but is this guy sentient? Has he heard of Code Pink, MoveOn.org....the entire fucking Democratic Party........hmmmmmm?

The only people in danger of being shut down are conservatives...in the name of the Fairness *Spit* Doctrine.........

535 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:50:53am
536 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:51:02am

re: #529 jorline

Holy crap...the vote must be near.

The Dow dropped from -77 points to -300.

Vote is coming real soon...

537 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:51:05am

re: #490 buzzsawmonkey

Biden was supposed to add "experience" to the ticket, to lay to rest issues about Obama's obvious callowness.

Biden is the sand in the bottom of the Inflatable Obama Doll that causes it to bounce back up when slapped.

I caught OR's #483 which led me to your #474. upding (although I had to look that erudite word up first). Now the sand thing I can get without referring to my dictionary. Ha!

538 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:51:22am

re: #531 albusteve

and Che was the catcher....woohoo!

Actually Che was married and had 2 kids.

539 Golem Akbar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:51:29am

re: #524 subsailor68

Tried the email again...finally found out (thanks to Kragar) how to turn my "bright nic's blue".

How?

540 CommonCents  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:51:44am

re: #529 jorline

Holy crap...the vote must be near.

The Dow dropped from -77 points to -300.

That was just Geithner explaining how he's going to steal some more tax dollars to which he is not a contributor.

541 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:52:18am

The Dow is dropping fast.

542 Kragarghazi  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:52:19am

re: #529 jorline

Holy crap...the vote must be near.

The Dow dropped from -77 points to -300.

Is Obama speaking again?

543 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:52:29am

re: #538 Nevergiveup

So was the Governor of New Jersey...

544 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:52:46am

re: #510 nyc redneck

The sad thing is that there are so many people now, some even in high places in the government (certainly here in the UK) who think its perfectly reasonable to 'relieve' people from their sufferings.
Not that they define what 'suffering' means.
And tehre simply is not enough money being spent on palliative care, or even on simple education so that people know what to expect.

Instead they use the way we deal with our pets' illnesses as an example for a 'good way forward' - totally overlooking the profound differences.

545 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:53:14am

re: #528 Desert Dog

Just look up to our northern neighbors to see our future. Rationing of procedures, long waiting lists for things we take for granted here. At least our pills will be cheap. We will be needing more pills since surgery or simple outpatient stuff will be 6 months on the list.....

Netherlands takes it the next step, if the patient cost benefit for medical care and utility to society doesn't pencil out, they take "active" measures.

546 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:53:16am

re: #491 realwest

. . .
BTW - those healthcare provisions don't apply to congresscritters or - if they've served long enough - retired congresscritters or the POTUS or former Presidents.

So, we now have a protected political "class" that's better than the rest of us.

Interesting.

I had the job one year of reviewing proposed legislation and reporting to my boss on those pieces that might affect the "business" we were in (state employment).

I cannot tell you what an awful job that was. For one thing, those things were virtually impossible to read, the way they are written.

Secondly - it was very often impossible to divine what the intent was, what the legislation was attempting to do. Very often, the actual intent doesn't become clear to anybody (including the legislators) until the regs are written.

I had the pleasure one day of being at a legislative committee meeting where one item on the agenda was an agency representative was going to present the regs written for a particular bill the legislators had approved.

EVERY MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE just about hit the ceiling when they heard what had been written. Several actually asked this question: Is that what we intended?

They had passed a bill NOT KNOWING the effect it would have.

It was amazing.

547 Kragarghazi  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:53:18am

re: #540 CommonCents

That was just Geithner explaining how he's going to steal some more tax dollars to which he is not a contributor.

Heard his speach. Sounded like another campaign speach.

548 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:53:32am

New threddie thread.

549 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:53:36am

re: #518 realwest

Well how down on it was she? I've seen articles by ecnomics professors - some quite liberal or leftist - who say that of the $900 Billion or so in the bill, less than $400 Billion is going to "stimulate" the economy and less than $125 Billion will do so in 2009; the breaks are in 2010 and 2012 - gee wonder why the gubmint would want to spend all that money in those years?!

She was, first of all, into the Kenysian "stimulus" idea to begin with... which I'm skeptical about. She thought the infrastructure spending was not "stimulus" per se, but not necessarily a bad idea, either. Surprisingly, she did NOT think the tax cuts would do much of anything in terms of "stimulus".

550 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:53:43am

According to Obama, this stimulus bill is 100% pork free, it's Halal!

551 JCM  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:53:46am

re: #541 3 wood

The Dow is dropping fast.

DOW is voting on stimulus.

552 rightside  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:53:53am

re: #522 SasquatchOnSteroids

Unfortunately, too many lefties take freedom for granted.

553 CommonCents  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:53:53am

OT and surely well traveled ground but I wasn't on last night during O's Q&A. I wanted to go thru the TV screen at Helen Thomas last nigth when she referred to the "so-called" terrorists in Pakistan. I'm sure the Poles are thinking they are "so-called" terrorists right about now.

554 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:13am

re: #541 3 wood

The Dow is dropping fast.

Think it is a one way street today?

555 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:16am

re: #529 jorline

Holy crap...the vote must be near.

The Dow dropped from -77 points to -300.

Yep. This headline sucks:

Stocks tumble as stimulus plan is unveiled

And here's a quote that's sure to be the lead article in next month's issue of DUH! Magazine:

In his former post as the head of the New York Fed, Geithner was involved in the original plan’s formation, Armiger noted. “I think to suspect something different this time from the same people involved, there might be some disappointment there.”

556 horse  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:16am

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

Also from the article:

Some of the Jewish people used to live in Arab countries. There they lived like Arab citizens enjoying all the rights and duties.


They had to pay the duties--i.e., the jizya.

They had, of course, no "rights." Arabs have no rights in their own countries today, and Jews, of course, had fewer protections than the Arabs.

And, let us not forget, the reason Jews "used to live" in Arab countries is that they were expelled from those countries, and their property expropriated.

Those unfortunate to still be living in Arab countries are harassed, threatened and killed with near impunity. The solution is the same, have them leave their homes for other locations, until they just leave the country.
From their own Yemeni Times

It is interesting Essa bin Mohammed Al Zedjali's narrative reads similar to that of an apologists for the old Jim Crow south. i.e. Those down south were well behaved (because we gave them no freedom and suppressed them). Those from up north are trouble makers and are not welcome down south.

Essa then takes the next step and wants them expelled as the entire Jewish lot has been tainted by outside influences. That is apparently their fear of Israel, it has brought respect and a place for unabridged freedom to the Jews worldwide. It demonstrates a dual failure of the current Arab world, a lack of respect and a lack of freedom. Interestingly, a future Iraq that provides freedom and gains international respect may be a good example of the cure to the actual source of Arab hostility toward Israel. Wouldn't that be a hoot.

557 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:26am

re: #543 Lincolntf

So was the Governor of New Jersey...

OK. Good point.

558 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:43am

re: #501 Occasional Reader

Hm.

I have to say, from my view of the video, it's not a slam-dunk that he was mocking Biden. Probably, but a little hard to say. That "not surprisingly" could be read as a way of saying, "I don't remember this one particular quote that you're reading back to me".

Sounded completely disrespectful to me.

559 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:59am

re: #520 3 wood

I'm thinking more like younger, supposedly "productive workers" will be deemed worth saving. Older people past working age, well, not so much.

It will boil down to rationing.

Exactly.

Oh - and illegal immigrants will of course be given help before the old, indigenous population.

The UK is a 'shining' example.

560 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:55:23am

re: #506 turn

In the back of my head I'm thinking it was a deliberate choice to deflect criticism away from O's lack of experience and focus it on Biden's gaffes. It makes O look like the smart one.

You are probably correct.

I like to think it was because everybody else turned him down, but I am sure I'm wrong on that. We really won't ever know.

561 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:55:40am

re: #540 CommonCents

That was just Geithner explaining how he's going to steal some more tax dollars to which he is not a contributor.

Thanks...I agree. I hate to see what happens when the vote goes down.

I heard someone say this morning why Democrats don't mind tax increases...they don't pay their taxes.

562 CommonCents  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:07am

re: #555 subsailor68

Yep. This headline sucks:

Stocks tumble as stimulus plan is unveiled

And here's a quote that's sure to be the lead article in next month's issue of DUH! Magazine:

In his former post as the head of the New York Fed, Geithner was involved in the original plan’s formation, Armiger noted. “I think to suspect something different this time from the same people involved, there might be some disappointment there.”

Kinda sounds like the definition of INSANITY.

563 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:31am

re: #539 Golem Akbar

How?

Down where you post your comments. Just below Username is a field where you enter your email address. On the right is a checkbox called "Show email". Just click that and you're good to go.

564 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:57:18am

re: #532 realwest

Hi {yma} - "old NHS ... which is pretty impressive if you're still 'productive' - but once you're old, forget it."
Yeah, the language in this "Stimulus Bill" on health care could easily be read to say the same thing, mostly cause that IS what it says, only with a little bit of window dressing.

Hiya, {rw}!

Yep - the democrats and especially PB0 seem to take the UK, as of now under NuLab, for the shining example to model your great country upon ...

565 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:59:42am

Something I wrote on Qaradawi, the last Muslim cleric (and "moderate") to appear on this roll of dishonor. Just substitute Essa for Qaradawi and you have the same argument.

Let me see if I can make it real simple:

1. Williamson, an obscure schismatic would-be bishop, says vile things, and by revoking his excommunication, the Pope seemed to support them.

2. The Pope has demanded a retraction from W., which he will not get; therefore W. will have no official role in the Church.

3. People justifiably despise W. and take the Pope to task. Will the Pope cut W. off from communion? No. Does that infuriate some people? Yes. Can they say anything they like about it with impunity? Certainly.

Now, follow me closely, while I compare and contrast:

1. Sheikh al-Qaradawi, a prominent so-called "moderate" Muslim cleric with a worldwide audience and powerful supporters in the West, says vile things, and by not loudly condemning them, the great and powerful in the world seem to be condoning them.

2. As far as I am aware, no one in power in the West has demanded a retraction from him, or threatened him with expulsion if he comes to their countries, or canceled speaking engagements he may have, or otherwise said a word. He can be guest speaker at any MSA affair for all I know.

3. People justifiably despise Q., but no one takes his powerful friends to task. Will the West cut him off from visiting? Apparently not. Does that infuriate some people? Yes. Can they say anything they like about it with impunity? Not likely. They would be branded "racists", "Islamophobes", "haters" or worse.

Do you see the disconnect here? The Pope demands a retraction and cuts W. off from power. The world yawns at Q. and lets him go about his business.

So the Pope gets nothing but blame for W., though he has condemned him, while the silent Western establishment gets a pass on Qaradawi.

The world is oh-so-brave to excoriate Williamson, which in fact costs nothing, but chickenshit yellow about calling out Qaradawi.

566 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:00:43am
567 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:01:02am

Crap Sandwich III(or is it IV?) - going Down -277.89

568 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:02:09am

BBIAW

569 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:03:10am

re: #486 subsailor68
Simple sub (!) where the comments are there's a box that says "Email" with a check to show optional - put in your e-mail and check the box!

570 Ghazicide  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:04:18am

We're supposed to negociate with the people? Reason, rationalize, understand them?

Yeah, riiiiight.

571 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:07:31am

re: #566 Iron Fist

That story is the best argument for health insurance reform, regulation and standardization that I have ever seen in my life.

572 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:09:14am

re: #500 Kosh's Shadow
That's certainly true enough! Until one of 'em gets a peculiar type of cancer or something and suddenly there will be a bill rushed through to research that problem. Sorta like Ted Kennedy - I'd be AMAZED if more medical research wasn't being done on brain cancer as we speak (although that could be a result of infusion of Kennedy money, too) even though Prostate Cancer is now the #1 cancer killer of all types of cancer in the US.
BTW, I surely do hope that Teddy wins his fight against that horrible cancer. I wish him the very best of luck in his fight.

573 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:11:37am

re: #520 3 wood
Yup, that's exactly how it will work.

574 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:13:38am

hi lizardim

575 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:14:21am

re: #550 Kenneth

Kenneth-you missed Mark Steyn!

576 infidel4ever  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:17:37am

Geert Wilders denied entry into Great Britain
Tuesday February 10 2009
"Great Britain sacrificing freedom of speech"

Geert Wilders has been denied entry into Great Britain. The leader of the PVV had been invited by a member of the British House of Lords to show Fitna in Parliament on Thrursday. However, today he received a letter from the British embassy in which he is denied entry into the UK.

According to Wilders "Great Britain is sacrificing her freedom of speech".
"This is the sort of thing you expect in Saoudi-Arabia, not in Great Britain. I think this cowardly attitude of the British government is really awful. I have simply been invited by a member of the British Parliament."

In the meantime Fitna has been shown in a number of countries, including Israel. Next week the film will be shown in the Italian Parliament and in a couple of weeks in the United States. Wilders is not sure whether he will resign himself to this state of affairs.

"I seriously consider putting the matter to the test by simply getting on a plane. Then I'll find out what happens. But I'll keep my options open because I first want to find out what the procedures are."

Text translated from the PVV website at Your text to link...

577 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:17:49am
578 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:19:41am

re: #549 Occasional Reader

She was, first of all, into the Kenysian "stimulus" idea to begin with... which I'm skeptical about. She thought the infrastructure spending was not "stimulus" per se, but not necessarily a bad idea, either. Surprisingly, she did NOT think the tax cuts would do much of anything in terms of "stimulus".

Classical Keynsian stimulus would include wisely directed spending AND broad based tax cuts. The Kensian cycle consists of cut spending and raise taxes when the economy is booming, & then cut taxes and raise spending when the economy is in recession. The thinking is that kind of intervention will even out the economic cycles.

The problem in practice has been that nearly every gov't gots it wrong. The Democrats raise spending and taxes during boom times, and then try to raise spending even more duirng recession. The Republicans cut taxes during boom times, which over heated the economy, and they never really cut spending all that much either.

So now the gov't has no cash in the bank to draw upon for spending, & no room to cut taxes by much. That leaves printing money for spending, which means inflation is coming our way in a year's time. But we won't be any further out of the economic recession, because the so-called "stimulus" bill isn't. A year from now we will be looking at Carteresque "stagflation" - inflation driven by currency devaluation, not by economic growth. The next step is hyper-inflation. Tax revenue will be falling, because there will be no growth, the Tresury will be out of money to fund another spending bill, the Chinese won't be willing to foot the bill again by lending anymore money. Is that bad enough? But were not done yet...

The Iranian problem will have reached a crisis point. Ether the Israelis will have bombed the Iranian nuclear facilities, which will drive the price of oil sky high, or the ISraelis didn't bomb the Iraninas, but the mullahs test a weapons, fears of a nuclear war mount, and the price of oil goes sky high.

Oh, btw did I mention the situation in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iraq? How about how Obama deals with the Russians when the occupy eastern Ukraine? What about an imploding Norht Korea?

You get the picture.

579 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:21:25am

re: #575 WriterMom

Yes, I did miss him. My mother passed away & I had to fly out to Vancouver for the weekend. I got back last night, but I'm off work to take care of some business.

580 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:21:42am

Hey, late to the thread. Anybody know if SpaceJeebus has sent an email to the guy to let him know he's slurring Muslims with this Nazi stuff?

581 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:24:06am

re: #553 CommonCents

OT and surely well traveled ground but I wasn't on last night during O's Q&A. I wanted to go thru the TV screen at Helen Thomas last nigth when she referred to the "so-called" terrorists in Pakistan. I'm sure the Poles are thinking they are "so-called" terrorists right about now.

And he took a question from the Huffington Post! What a farce.

582 fliegs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:01am

No wonder, we witness American media relentlessly broadcasting false reports portraying Israel to the world as a state oppressed by the Arabs who are trying to uproot Israel. On the other hand, when Israel perpetrates unabashed massacres against the Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria or Egypt, they would be justified as acts carried out in self-defense to fend off uprooting threats. Israel manages to escape international punishment because it has the full support of some big powers led by superpower America who invariably reject the majority decisions of the UN Security Council if and when they condemn the inhuman practices of Israel against the Arabs.

Wow, I guess he has never heard of the UN and their one sided biases towards the Zionist people or address the anti-Semitic aspect of their agenda.
On another topic, I guess he doesn't know how all the Islamic states censor what they show in the media so they can manipulate the public to think in a one dimensional view... The extremists view.

583 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:32:44am
584 JustABill  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:40:50am

re: #164 Occasional Reader

I think that's with regard to the civil suit, NOT criminal charges.

At least, I hope so.

Since anyone can file a civil case, Made-off would be a fool to accept a deal to settle a civil case. Another would just spring up filed by new victims...

585 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:49:26am

re: #80 FrogMarch

Drudge has this up:
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan

Pardon my French, but Tom Daschle is a fucking scumbag.

586 JustABill  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:49:50am

re: #419 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Obama's tax-cheat guy is speaking. He opened his mouth and the market dropped nearly 200 points!

Thanks, assholes.

Which tax-cheat guy?

587 Clio  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:13:24am

re: #40 Teacake!

If the Jews were a people without a home, why was mo in Jerusalem and why did he become so upset that the Jews didn't realize he was their messiah?

THis is like a bad movie that never stops, never changes.

Mo was never in Jerusalem.

588 Teacake!  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:03am

Clio - I forgot to preface that by saying, according to muslim claims in koran of the one mention of mo in Jerusalem... thanks for the clear up.

589 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:09am
590 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:16am
591 erisldysnomia  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:16am

Mental illness comes from inbreeding.

See this article.

Available evidence suggests that congenital and genetic disorders are responsible for a major proportion of infant mortality, morbidity, and handicap in Arab countries.1-3 The population of the region is characterised by large family size, high maternal and paternal age, and a high level of inbreeding with consanguinity rates in the range of 25-60%.

592 Clio  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:58am

re: #588 Teacake!

"Jerusalem" is never mentioned in the Koran at all.

The story of the Night Visit says only to "a far-away place".

The far-away place is not named. It was several generations later that a poet called it "Jerusalem". Serious Muslims scholars believe it was Mecca.

593 mindy1  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 4:34:00pm

oh PUKE. And obama wants to be friends with people who think like that?


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