The Senate will be voting soon on the largest spending bill in history, so here’s a thread for people to discuss, criticize, and commiserate…
UPDATE at 2/10/09 8:55:31 am:
The Associated Press is actually criticizing Obama’s claims about the bill.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:19am |
If this thing passes, it's going to be the beginning of the "Worst. Year. Ever."
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:23am |
Ooohh. I feel stimulated.
...wait...no, that was my phone on vibrate.
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Dianna Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:30am |
I don't feel stimulated. I've got this cold hollow in my tummy.
Worse: I'm finishing the capital loss schedule from last year, and I know it's going to be worse this year.
It hasn't done any good to write the congresscritters, has it?
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wrenchwench Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:45am |
I emailed both my (D) senators yesterday. Subject of email: Porkulus
/what's the use
| 5 |
Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:54:56am |
I'm stimulated. My leg tingles. Doctor thinks I'm coming down with Chrismatthews Syndrome.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:55:10am |
re: #1 MrSilverDragon
If this thing passes, it's going to be the beginning of the "Worst. Year. Ever."
That was the 0's inauguration.
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:55:21am |
So, who wants to go set up a compound in the middle of nowhere?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:55:59am |
re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So, who wants to go set up a compound in the middle of nowhere?
What State is nowwhere in?
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:00am |
re: #3 Dianna
I don't feel stimulated. I've got this cold hollow in my tummy.
Worse: I'm finishing the capital loss schedule from last year, and I know it's going to be worse this year.
It hasn't done any good to write the congresscritters, has it?
In the words of Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama, "We won..."
Deaf ears.
| 11 |
tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:17am |
So the bill will pass the Senate. It will then go into Committee so that negotiations can occur between the House and Senate to reach a compromise.
Is there then another vote on the compromise bill?
I hope there are some good, solid Conservative negotiators who will work for us...
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FrogMarch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:26am |
Contacting congress :
[Link: www.visi.com...]
| 14 |
Sheik Yur MnyMk'r Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:29am |
The Treasury Secretary really gave a boost of confidence to the stock market! Down almost 300 point in the hour since he spoke.
| 15 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:30am |
A friend of mine just sent me these links of pics of our armed forces. Very cool stuff.
.Your text to link...
Your text to link...
Your text to link...
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Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:41am |
Associated Press is actually criticizing the O's claims about the bill:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:42am |
re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So, who wants to go set up a compound in the middle of nowhere?
I've got six acres in the boonies of north Arkansas.
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Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:43am |
On Bill Bennet's radio show, he said that the Stimulus Bill was uniting Republicans like nothing else in the last few years. Too little too late? Maybe.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:52am |
I emailed Kerry and Kennedy because the health care provisions will be bad for Massachusetts, but I doubt it will make any difference.
There goes the biotech industry.
| 21 |
S'latch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:58am |
If you are stimulated by spending more money than you have, you have a problem.
| 22 |
Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:56:59am |
The only thing this bill stimulates is my blood pressure.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:57:06am |
re: #6 Kosh's Shadow
That was the 0's inauguration.
I would agree, but at least I had "hope" it wouldn't. The passing would destroy any chance of that. Time for a "change".
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:57:38am |
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:57:49am |
re: #18 Golem Akbar
On Bill Bennet's radio show, he said that the Stimulus Bill was uniting Republicans like nothing else in the last few years. Too little too late? Maybe.
Well it's a start... We will need unity against Amnesty, Fairness Dotrine and other Socialist pet projects...
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pink freud Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:57:56am |
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jorline Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:57:59am |
I heard someone say this morning why Democrats don't mind tax increases...they never pay their taxes.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:58:09am |
re: #16 Charles
Associated Press is actually criticizing the O's claims about the bill:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Shocking it isn't from Jennifer Loven.... /sarc
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:58:10am |
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CommonCents Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:58:25am |
re: #10 redstateredneck
In the words of Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama, "We won..."
Deaf ears.
Preferably somewhere warm.
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CommonCents Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:58:47am |
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Desert Dog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:58:52am |
Well, it's about time the government sticks it to Big Business....those greedy guys are keeping me down, man. I hope Obama taxes their caviar and limos and private jets! I hope Obama takes all their money and gives it to the poor people......because, as you know, they stole it all from the poor people to begin with! Yea!
/
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:58:57am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:59:04am |
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:59:08am |
re: #15 Creeping Eruption
A friend of mine just sent me these links of pics of our armed forces. Very cool stuff.
.Your text to link...
Your text to link...
Your text to link...
Very cool.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:59:18am |
re: #20 coquimbojoe
Wake me when its over...
By then you'll be on your way to the soylent green plant.
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:59:39am |
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:59:43am |
re: #32 Desert Dog
Yeah, hopefully this bill sets a salary cap for EVERY profession... We don't need people striving for success...
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Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:59:51am |
re: #25 tfc3rid
Well it's a start... We will need unity against Amnesty, Fairness Dotrine and other Socialist pet projects...
It's going to take a lot of uniting, forgiving, and forging of new agreements. It's necessary. It is time to rebuild. [calling the next Ronald Reagan!]
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:59:51am |
re: #35 redstateredneck
Everyone needs a smile on days like today.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:59:57am |
Stop
The
Insanity
Morons,
Unprincipled
Leadership,
Unwise
Spending.
| 42 |
The Optimist Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:00:49am |
Democratic Congressman have proposed a new public transportation system for themselves. Its called PORK AND RIDE.
Hugo Chavez heard about it and told the press he personally would PORK it in a way no US president could.
CAIR immediately condemned it saying anything with PORK is anti-Islamic.
Amendinajad said Iran does not have PORK but would develop PORK for domestic uses only.
Obama said he wants to eliminate PORK, because chicken is healthier.
| 43 |
phoenixgirl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:00:59am |
is that a stimulus package in your pocket? or are you just happy to see me?
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wrenchwench Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:01:20am |
re: #16 Charles
Associated Press is actually criticizing the O's claims about the bill:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
That
OBAMA: ...
THE FACTS: ...
format seems particularly hostile....
| 46 |
Wishing Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:01:25am |
I just called Senator and congressman...if they ok this...GRRRR!
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Desert Dog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:01:28am |
re: #38 tfc3rid
Yeah, hopefully this bill sets a salary cap for EVERY profession... We don't need people striving for success...
Let's start with Oprah and Hollywood actors, shall we? They should only take what they need and give the rest to the poor.
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turn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:02:12am |
re: #43 phoenixgirl
is that a stimulus package in your pocket? or are you just happy to see me?
No its pork, the other white meat ...
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:02:23am |
im scared to death. I have chronic illness and everything about my treatment has been atypical. The medical directives in this could get me killed. This thing goes through and i dont know what will happen to me.
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Desert Dog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:02:23am |
re: #43 phoenixgirl
is that a stimulus package in your pocket? or are you just happy to see me?
I would say that "package" is causing some major "shrinkage"
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:02:24am |
re: #47 Desert Dog
Let's start with Oprah and Hollywood actors, shall we? They should only take what they need and give the rest to the poor.
Give them a $500,000 cap and wait for their heads to explode.
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LGoPs Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:02:40am |
re: #27 jorline
I heard someone say this morning why Democrats don't mind tax increases...they never pay their taxes.
And according to the VP, Joe Biden, I guess that makes them unpatriotic.
Bastards.
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Anthony (Los Angeles) Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:02:41am |
The Associated Press is actually criticizing Obama’s claims about the bill.
Shouldn't that call for FLying Pig Alert(tm)?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:02:54am |
re: #49 Karagush
im scared to death. I have chronic illness and everything about my treatment has been atypical. The medical directives in this could get me killed. This thing goes through and i dont know what will happen to me.
I'm in a similar situation.
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:03:05am |
FNC quoted a poll this morning that produced a 26% approval of moving away from capitalism toward Socialism. I was pumping caffine into myself , so I missed which poll.
Isn't that number close to actual support for this bill?
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jaunte Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:03:17am |
On Fox this morning they were talking about $78 Billion that had been 'misplaced' by Neal Kashkari's inadequate 40 person staff. No one knows how that money has been allocated by the banks it went to, and FOI requests are having to be backed with lawsuits to get any info out of the gubmint. Crazy times.
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Bob Dillon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:03:17am |
re: #4 wrenchwench
I emailed both my (D) senators yesterday. Subject of email: Porkulus
/what's the use
We are past emails, Faxes and phone calls. It's going to take a massive pitchforks and torches march on Washington for them to pay attention.
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slamo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:03:46am |
President Obama to Old People:
"No healthcare for you! Please die now!
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:04:02am |
re: #55 opnion
FNC quoted a poll this morning that produced a 26% approval of moving away from capitalism toward Socialism. I was pumping caffine into myself , so I missed which poll.
Isn't that number close to actual support for this bill?
I heard that same thing, but like you I was busy doing something else and didn't get the specifics.
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The Optimist Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:04:18am |
re: #47 Desert Dog
Let's start with Oprah and Hollywood actors, shall we? They should only take what they need and give the rest to the poor.
Is Oprah mentioned anywhere in the stimulus package? Isn't her support of Obama going to have some sort of payback? Maybe half a trillion dollars so she won't default on any of her mortgages.
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:04:33am |
re: #57 Bobibutu
We are past emails, Faxes and phone calls. It's going to take a massive pitchforks and torches march on Washington for them to pay attention.
Vote their asses out of office.
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FrogMarch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:04:33am |
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pink freud Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:04:41am |
re: #49 Karagush
im scared to death. I have chronic illness and everything about my treatment has been atypical. The medical directives in this could get me killed. This thing goes through and i dont know what will happen to me.
This is the complete and total destabilization of America. Obama's implementing his nanny state at breakneck speed, but Mommy and Daddy's on a permanent bender.
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Desert Dog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:04:53am |
re: #58 slamo
President Obama to Old People:
"No healthcare for you! Please die now!
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:06:02am |
re: #58 slamo
President Obama to Old People:
"No healthcare for you! Please die now!
Obama to Old People: Drop Dead
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phoenixgirl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:06:24am |
obama promises he did not leave his ear marks on the stimulus package
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:06:28am |
My brother who just was laid off his job commented to me yesterdat on how our father had retired at 60 but he's looking for a new job at 60. The times they are a changin'.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:06:29am |
re: #62 FrogMarch
More voters for them after Amnesty becomes Law.
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:06:34am |
re: #49 Karagush
im scared to death. I have chronic illness and everything about my treatment has been atypical. The medical directives in this could get me killed. This thing goes through and i dont know what will happen to me.
What is in there about Chroinc Disease States?
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:06:36am |
re: #65 Dustoff-507
Are children are so screwed!
Teach them how to fight, they're going to need the skills
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pink freud Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:06:40am |
re: #62 FrogMarch
Democrats Block Amendment Requiring Citizenship Verification for Stimulus Cash
Fuckers.
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FrogMarch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:06:48am |
Newsweek may be dying but at least they accomplished their mission.
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littleoldlady Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:07:42am |
I've made myself good and sick over this mess.
/bad timing, I know :-(
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nyc redneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:08:14am |
re: #62 FrogMarch
Democrats Block Amendment Requiring Citizenship Verification for Stimulus Cash
buying votes from illegals.
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:08:15am |
re: #75 littleoldlady
I've made myself good and sick over this mess.
/bad timing, I know :-(
Quick, go to the doctor before the bill takes effect!
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yma o hyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:08:17am |
From that AP link:
'OBAMA: "They'll be jobs building the wind turbines and solar panels and fuel-efficient cars that will lower our dependence on foreign oil and modernizing our costly health care system that will save us billions of dollars and countless lives."
THE FACTS: The economic stimulus bill would allocate about $20 billion to help hospitals and doctors transition from paper charts to electronic health records for their patients. Research has shown that in some instances, electronic record keeping can eliminate inappropriate services and improve care, but it's not a sure thing by any means. "By itself, the adoption of more health IT is generally not sufficient to produce significant cost savings," the Congressional Budget Office reported last year.'
Heh.
For a much smaller population, and an already centralised State Health service, the costs here in the UK are to date £13 billion.
They've been working on it for years, ever since NuLab came to power - its not working, its a shambles, and it will cost even more.
And the hugely important point of security of these eminently private data has not been proeprly addressed either.
Good luck with that, PB0 - dunno if IT fimrs will be so keen to waste time and resources on a bottomless pit, after their experiences in the UK.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:08:31am |
re: #72 pink freud
Fuckers.
That is an understatement. I feel like doing the Chevy Chase tirade from "Christmas Vacation".
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redheadredstate Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:08:37am |
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suitepotato Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:08:40am |
By the time we root out all the damage done in this bill, we'll have forgotten the nightmare the way the country forgot Carter, and another leftist stealth attack will be under way again. Will this country never learn the price of dalliance with giving some the fruits of the efforts of others?
| 82 |
iceman1960 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:08:56am |
"I'm not a president. But I do play one on TV" ~ BHO
| 83 |
Wishing Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:09:02am |
Don't bother emailing now: make phone calls..PLEASE!
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ChicagoJohn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:09:16am |
There are three people who are to blame for this, and they are all Republican senators.
I expect Democrats to vote for pork. That's what they do.
I also expect Democrats to support Obama's Pork and Spend socialist policies. That's all they know.
But someone needs to stand up and tell Obama that he's wrong for calling this a stimulus bill.
This isn't a Stimulus bill that happens to have some pork in it.
This is a Pork bill that happens to have some stimulus in it.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:09:19am |
re: #18 Golem Akbar
On Bill Bennet's radio show, he said that the Stimulus Bill was uniting Republicans like nothing else in the last few years. Too little too late? Maybe.
Yeah, maybe. Except for the Lamebrain from Maine, Susan Collins. Notice how Obama last night compared the recent layoff numbers to the number of people in Maine? Coinkydink? I think not.
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turn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:09:21am |
re: #75 littleoldlady
I've made myself good and sick over this mess.
/bad timing, I know :-(
Hi LOL, would fruitcup help?
| 87 |
acwgusa Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:09:23am |
Ah yes. Debate has now opened on the Selling America Out Act of 2009.
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LGoPs Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:09:30am |
One of my personal crudases [spelling intentionally incorrect :)] has been the appalling education system we have and the fact that not teaching about the perils of socialism and communism makes it difficult to alert the American people to the potential dangerous consequences of thier votes.
I did have an encouraging thought though this morning. Even if history is not taught in the classroom, life itself will be more than happy to teach those lessons anew.............and we are about to get instructed. Class starts......NOW.
/ Bitter sarcasm
| 89 |
Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:09:32am |
re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That they already know who to do... Now my grandchild is another story. )-:
| 90 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:09:45am |
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:10:07am |
re: #54 reine.de.tout
I'm in a similar situation.
i was supposed to die before i was 20, now im 38. To them i am not worth treating because im Terminal. In Triage speak--im a black Tag.
Ive been having anxiety attacks. My Drs are the formost experts and innovators in their fields and Papers have been written on me. New stuff was done to help me live and we ALREADY had to fight tooth and nail to make it happen.
I dont know how some fuckin BEAN COUNTER is gonna give a shit whether i live or die, or the 20 year study on my case continues.
Literally Thousands of people have been helped by the research done on me.
Will that mean Jack Shit to them?
At the time i first got sick they told my mom to make me comfortable and wait for the inevitable. Then when i didnt die they said dont try aggressive rehabilitation, wont work, you'll just waste money and make her feel bad. It not done with cases like this.
I am the FUCKIN REASON they tell people to get horses into the lives of severely ill children. They didnt know why it helped me, but it did. They are just figuring out why. But everyone reads "heartwarming" stories about it now. When i got started, they thought it was insane.
I WANT TO LIVE A LONG TIME. i need my really good Drs to keep going.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:10:12am |
re: #81 suitepotato
By the time we root out all the damage done in this bill, we'll have forgotten the nightmare the way the country forgot Carter, and another leftist stealth attack will be under way again. Will this country never learn the price of dalliance with giving some the fruits of the efforts of others?
The thing is, this is socialism in front of our eyes... This isn't stealth at all...
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:10:20am |
I can't prove this, but it looks to me that this attack on the Health Delivery System & the overall looting of the Treasury is an attempt to push us into Socialism.
The modern Democrat Party resembles European Socialists.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:10:26am |
re: #82 iceman1960
"I'm not a president. But I do play one on TV" ~ BHO
David Palmer would have been better.
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littleoldlady Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:10:37am |
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eschew_obfuscation Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:10:48am |
re: #56 jaunte
On Fox this morning they were talking about $78 Billion that had been 'misplaced' by Neal Kashkari's inadequate 40 person staff. No one knows how that money has been allocated by the banks it went to, and FOI requests are having to be backed with lawsuits to get any info out of the gubmint. Crazy times.
TRANSPARENCY!
| 97 |
Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:10:58am |
re: #80 redheadredstate
Time for Texas to secede from the union.
I got relatives in Texas. Time to get back in touch.
| 98 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:10:59am |
After four years of Obama, we'll actually wish we had Carter back.
Is that sad or what?
| 99 |
doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:11:02am |
I popped in but I can't stay. If I read any more about this bullshit bill I'm going to turn into Michael Douglas in "Falling Down."
/Not a genuine threat. I don't own a weapon unless you count steak knives.
| 100 |
Wishing Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:11:10am |
Heck I even called Susan Collins' office, but she has no one answering her phone and the mailbox is full.
Traitor.
Spit.
| 101 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:11:46am |
Time to institute mandatory Ayeroid testing for Congress.
| 102 |
Bloodnok Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:12:06am |
I know it's a bit late to be harping on this, but thanks Liddy Dole for your disgusting "Godless" TV ad that may have caused you to lose your seat. And thanks, Ted Stevens for being so corrupt that the good people of Alaska (rightfully) voted you out of office. We could have used those two votes against Porkulus. We reap what we sow, I guess.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:12:07am |
re: #61 redstateredneck
Vote their asses out of office.
I think it will be too late if we wait for that. Look at all the damage they've done in just over two weeks.
We need to make our voices heard now.
Rush just said that senators didn't know the "health care thing" was "in there".
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:12:13am |
re: #100 Wishing
Heck I even called Susan Collins' office, but she has no one answering her phone and the mailbox is full.
Traitor.
Spit.
That woman is an idiot. The package "has to be big enough or it won't help"? She's industrial-strength stupid.
| 107 |
tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:12:26am |
re: #91 Karagush
Obama sez... 'You are of no use to my socialist Utopia'
| 108 |
seekeroftruth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:12:40am |
Rush is talking about this link right now:
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]
A youtube video from CSPAN
| 109 |
Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:12:57am |
re: #85 Ward Cleaver
Yeah, maybe. Except for the Lamebrain from Maine, Susan Collins. Notice how Obama last night compared the recent layoff numbers to the number of people in Maine? Coinkydink? I think not.
I don't think the tide has turned yet (cliche alert!), but a lot of people are concerned, and opposition to this bill could really unite even the most wobbly Republicans. And moderates.
| 110 |
Reluctant Democrat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:13:07am |
We have to keep delaying it until a more reasonable alternative can be passed--Geithner is going to talk about his jillions he's adding with his bailout today.
And, the stimulus contains provisions to monitor our medical records via electronic records. This is why he talked about this in the campaign.
We simply can't afford these boondoggles and attacks on our privacy. Period.
| 111 |
littleoldlady Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:13:09am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:13:09am |
re: #91 Karagush
i was supposed to die before i was 20, now im 38. To them i am not worth treating because im Terminal. In Triage speak--im a black Tag.
Ive been having anxiety attacks. My Drs are the formost experts and innovators in their fields and Papers have been written on me. New stuff was done to help me live and we ALREADY had to fight tooth and nail to make it happen.
I dont know how some fuckin BEAN COUNTER is gonna give a shit whether i live or die, or the 20 year study on my case continues.Literally Thousands of people have been helped by the research done on me.
Will that mean Jack Shit to them?
At the time i first got sick they told my mom to make me comfortable and wait for the inevitable. Then when i didnt die they said dont try aggressive rehabilitation, wont work, you'll just waste money and make her feel bad. It not done with cases like this.
I am the FUCKIN REASON they tell people to get horses into the lives of severely ill children. They didnt know why it helped me, but it did. They are just figuring out why. But everyone reads "heartwarming" stories about it now. When i got started, they thought it was insane.I WANT TO LIVE A LONG TIME. i need my really good Drs to keep going.
My situtation, though rare, is not unique, nor is it as critical as yours.
Will be praying this doesn't affect you and the care you are getting.
| 114 |
Ron Shaw Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:13:21am |
More and more what we as citizens think about our government matters less and less. A stimulus bill between 800 billion and a trillion dollars will pass despite what the large majority of the citizenry think about it.
Our politicians on both sides of the aisle are fiscally insane, intoxicated with the allure of more government, more spending, more control over their constituents as well as the renewed knowledge that they can control private businesses as well. In essence they posses the plastic with no charge limits in sight.
I will predict that President Obama will blame Bush for all of America's ills leading up to and including the last day of his reign. We are becoming European Unionized at breakneck speed. America will be forcefully molded into one welfare mentality of Socialism sooner rather than later. The Stimulus Bill that ultimately passes kicks this can so far down the road we'll need a GPS unit to locate it for the next boot.
| 115 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:13:23am |
re: #98 Ward Cleaver
After four years of Obama, we'll actually wish we had Carter back.
Is that sad or what?
The sequels are always worse than the originals.
And this one has been whizzing through the recap; soon we'll be down to where we were at the end of the Carter administration, and heading down from there.
| 116 |
acwgusa Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:13:33am |
re: #78 yma o hyd
From that AP link:
'OBAMA: "They'll be jobs building the wind turbines and solar panels and fuel-efficient cars that will lower our dependence on foreign oil and modernizing our costly health care system that will save us billions of dollars and countless lives."THE FACTS: The economic stimulus bill would allocate about $20 billion to help hospitals and doctors transition from paper charts to electronic health records for their patients. Research has shown that in some instances, electronic record keeping can eliminate inappropriate services and improve care, but it's not a sure thing by any means. "By itself, the adoption of more health IT is generally not sufficient to produce significant cost savings," the Congressional Budget Office reported last year.'
Heh.
For a much smaller population, and an already centralised State Health service, the costs here in the UK are to date £13 billion.
They've been working on it for years, ever since NuLab came to power - its not working, its a shambles, and it will cost even more.
And the hugely important point of security of these eminently private data has not been proeprly addressed either.Good luck with that, PB0 - dunno if IT fimrs will be so keen to waste time and resources on a bottomless pit, after their experiences in the UK.
Health Care IT is such a damned black hole it isn't funny. Our state system here in CA runs on a system programmed in Fortran and Cobol dating from the 1950's. It just last year transitioned from tape to hard drive. It uses an error prone text based flat file format. I've done walk-throughs in CA state hospitals as part of my job, and we cannot get Hospital staff to figure out billing codes without hand holding.
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pink freud Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:13:42am |
re: #100 Wishing
Heck I even called Susan Collins' office, but she has no one answering her phone and the mailbox is full.
Traitor.
Spit.
We are nobodies. As far as they are concerned, we are swinging in the breeze.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:14:01am |
Anyone want to bet that George Soros has his hands all over this economic crisis?
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itellu3times Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:14:13am |
Wull, what about the Geithner plan, what is that, carnitas?
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Gretchen Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:14:14am |
I am sick over this, especially the stealth health "care" portion.
There is little in the bill that will stimulate anything except the Democrat's power base, which will be tied up with Card Check and the Obamatized Acorn run Census.
The United States of Alinsky.
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right_wing2 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:14:14am |
But... But... But only Barack Obama knows what's best for us. He is the Chosen One. He's the smartest man every to have LIVED! He's
Gotta stop, I'm making myself sick.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:15:03am |
re: #104 buzzsawmonkey
Next will come the additional automaker bailouts, probably another stimulus bill or two as well...
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:15:12am |
re: #92 tfc3rid
The thing is, this is socialism in front of our eyes... This isn't stealth at all...
Correcto-mundo. Nothing is stealth here, he's done and will be doing just what he promised. And I've said it before, he got the majority of the vote because the people wanted what they are getting and what they will get in the future.
The liberals I talk to WANT socialism, plain and simple. My circle of friends are not people who can't even tell you where California is, these are smart, upward mobile people who engineered this.
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Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:15:16am |
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:15:32am |
re: #109 Golem Akbar
I don't think the tide has turned yet (cliche alert!), but a lot of people are concerned, and opposition to this bill could really unite even the most wobbly Republicans. And moderates.
More importantly, Independents.
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:15:33am |
re: #70 opnion
What is in there about Chroinc Disease States?
whats in there is about managing the drs care of patients
and norming what they can and cant do. Often people with chronic illness have oddball illnesses with no "usual protocol" they call them "orphan diseases" and they are just trying shit, throwing it at the wall and seeing what sticks. In a wold of socialized medicine, we are expensive and we are not worth messing with. I have already been told to sit in a back room and die (however kindly) several times.
Usually its vocalized as "Gee, thats weird. Theres no usual protocol for that. We'll try some stuff and see what works. Nothing may work. But this will sure help people coming al;ong in a few years or so."
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Elcid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:15:34am |
The Associated Press is actually criticizing Obama’s claims about the bill.
A few more Awww, shits like this, Obama is going to lose all his atta' boy, certificates
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:15:41am |
re: #118 tfc3rid
Anyone want to bet that George Soros has his hands all over this economic crisis?
If James Bond did exist, he would currently be infiltrating Soros's secret island base.
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Wishing Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:15:56am |
And Wall Street? Are they Happy?
Dow down 266.
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:16:00am |
re: #103 capitalist piglet
I think it will be too late if we wait for that. Look at all the damage they've done in just over two weeks.
We need to make our voices heard now.
Rush just said that senators didn't know the "health care thing" was "in there".
Somebody posted earlier that the junior senator from Montana this morning on FNC said that if that's in there he wouldn't vote for it. No wonder they are trying to rush this fucker through. Over 800 pages that haven't been read by the asshats voting on it.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:16:02am |
re: #91 Karagush
I am so sorry, but at the same time I am inspired. You've done more for others in just 38 years than most people do in a lifetime. I wish you all the best health, and the best health care.
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right_wing2 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:16:19am |
re: #98 Ward Cleaver
After four years of Obama, we'll actually wish we had Carter back.
Is that sad or what?
As I said before, The Obamessiah's going to combine Carter's foreign policy incompetence with FDR's domestic socialism.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:16:22am |
Who has the latest on the Israeli elections?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:16:39am |
I wonder what else is hidden in the deep dark recesses of this plan?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:16:53am |
re: #79 MrSilverDragon
That is an understatement. I feel like doing the Chevy Chase tirade from "Christmas Vacation".
This. Of course, I feel like doing that every time His Holiness The Zero comes on TV anyway.
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pat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:16:57am |
This is easily the most idiotic stimulus package ever. It is filled with bizarre liberal ideas, from the rationing of health care to the dissemination of pro-Obama propaganda. Undoubtedly there are even stranger thing, not just the financing of water parks and ping pong museums, but there are likely a few anti-gun and anti-Christian initiatives.
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nyc redneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:16:57am |
re: #91 Karagush
bless you {Karagush}
i admire your fighting spirit.
keep going.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:17:04am |
re: #125 tfc3rid
More importantly, Independents.
Ok, I'm confused. Somebody smarter than me needs to clear this up. Even if every Republican votes against this, there is no way to stop it forever, is there?
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Desert Dog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:17:15am |
re: #104 buzzsawmonkey
Here's something to think about: After this bill is passed, Congress will still have almost two years in which to pass more appropriations bills, and more taxes.
The Jabba the Hutt Act is only for the purposes of "stopping the economic crisis." After they've done that, there's any amount of additional mischief they can commit.
Hey, we have all those printing presses over at the Federal Reserve, rather than sit there idle, President Obama has decided to make some more government jobs by having people run those presses....(non stop with no end is sight)
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:17:19am |
re: #121 right_wing2
But... But... But only Barack Obama knows what's best for us. He is the Chosen One. He's the smartest man every to have LIVED! He's
Gotta stop, I'm making myself sick.
Barack Hussein Obama is the kindest, gentlest, warmest, most decent human being I have ever known in my entire life.
/Revenge of The Manchurian Candidate
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:17:32am |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
Who has the latest on the Israeli elections?
Yes it's late and getting later
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marge45b Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:17:58am |
We'll go into inflation by 2012 and the interest rates will sky rocket. The time is to pay off debt now and prepare for 70's all over.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:18:09am |
re: #130 redstateredneck
Somebody posted earlier that the junior senator from Montana this morning on FNC said that if that's in there he wouldn't vote for it. No wonder they are trying to rush this fucker through. Over 800 pages that haven't been read by the asshats voting on it.
I said it... Tester said he would not vote for it if a step toward government control of healthcare was a part of this... However, he said, if something like this is in there, it is probably to create jobs and nothing more...
He did not believe it was in there but he admitted he did not read the bill.
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debutaunt Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:18:09am |
re: #46 Wishing
I just called Senator and congressman...if they ok this...GRRRR!
Congress was unpopular during the past eight years - how low will it go?
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Gretchen Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:18:11am |
re: #58 slamo
He may be sorry about that. Old people vote and old people vote Democrat and get very little news on the internet - they prefer the liberal cheerleading papers.
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:18:15am |
Hamas tortured, killed Palestinians, rights group charges
Amnesty International has accused Hamas militants in Gaza of kidnapping, killing and torturing fellow Palestinians they accuse of spying for Israel, the organization announced Tuesday.
According to Amnesty International, at least 24 Palestinian men -- most of them civilians -- were shot and killed by Hamas gunmen during the recent Israeli offensive aimed at crippling the Hamas leadership in Gaza.
"Scores of others have been shot in the legs, kneecapped or inflicted with other injuries intended to cause permanent disability," the human rights organization said in a news release.
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littleoldlady Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:18:16am |
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:18:30am |
re: #129 Wishing
And Wall Street? Are they Happy?
Dow down 266.
But according to the MSM, Wall Street has been waiting for the Porkulus. What gives?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:18:46am |
re: #117 pink freud
We are nobodies. As far as they are concerned, we are swinging in the breeze.
the peoples House stood unanimous against this bill...whatever their personal belief the senate should have done the same....it is high political treason
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:18:48am |
re: #135 Nevergiveup
I wonder what else is hidden in the deep dark recesses of this plan?
Amnesty? Fairness? Who the heck knows...
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yma o hyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:18:51am |
re: #123 Walter L. Newton
You're right - people wanted this.
It was the same when they elected Tony Blair here in the UK in 1997.
People wanted change, and anybody who pointed out the dismal record of Labour - tax and spend, and drive the economy onto the buffers - was shouted down.
People make their choices - and have to learn the hard way that these choices have consequences they themselves have to live with.
At least you can start turning things around in two years - unlike here ...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:18:59am |
re: #123 Walter L. Newton
We aren't seeing anything that the republicans wouldn't be doing. The first phase of the bailout involved Bush investing in private banks and buying up bad loans. That is textbook socialism. The only difference is the Republican pork would be wasted in slightly different ways.
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Wishing Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:19:17am |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
Who has the latest on the Israeli elections?
I just turned on the radio...will let you know as soon as they update results.
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kafir lover Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:19:27am |
re: #123 Walter L. Newton
Correcto-mundo. Nothing is stealth here, he's done and will be doing just what he promised. And I've said it before, he got the majority of the vote because the people wanted what they are getting and what they will get in the future.
The liberals I talk to WANT socialism, plain and simple. My circle of friends are not people who can't even tell you where California is, these are smart, upward mobile people who engineered this.
This is precisely what scares me. It's not as though Obama is going off track from what he initially promised he would do - it's that there are so many Americans who have bought into (or been duped into) an idea of 'socialist' philosophy as a viable direction for our government to take.
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pink freud Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:19:30am |
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pat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:19:52am |
How about these idol worshippers pretending to be reporters? I will bet donuts to dollars the first question was staged.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:20:01am |
re: #154 Wishing
Voting is over with, right?
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:20:10am |
re: #139 Walter L. Newton
Ok, I'm confused. Somebody smarter than me needs to clear this up. Even if every Republican votes against this, there is no way to stop it forever, is there?
Correct... There is no way the GOP can prevent this from passing today.
=However, if it passes, it goes into Committe to agree on the final bill between the House and Senate. I'm not sure if it gets voted on again... If so, the GOP's only possibility would be a filibuster on the House/Senate bill.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:20:13am |
re: #139 Walter L. Newton
Ok, I'm confused. Somebody smarter than me needs to clear this up. Even if every Republican votes against this, there is no way to stop it forever, is there?
If every Republican was against this bill, they could attempt a filibuster.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:20:15am |
re: #157 pat
How about these idol worshippers pretending to be reporters? I will bet donuts to dollars the first question was staged.
The FIRST? How about most of them.
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WriterMom Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:20:19am |
re: #124 Golem Akbar
Golem, it was awesome! Not only did he smack down the idiots claiming the Human Rights commissions had a role to play in our lives, but he really decimated the moonbats in the question and answer period. He is smart, funny as anything, well-dressed, charming and engaging, and he is a major mensch. Talk about the thrill of a lifetime.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:20:47am |
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Wishing Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:20:47am |
re: #158 Killgore Trout
Voting is over with, right?
I dont know if they extended the hours like they did for the primaries or not.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:20:56am |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
We aren't seeing anything that the republicans wouldn't be doing. The first phase of the bailout involved Bush investing in private banks and buying up bad loans. That is textbook socialism. The only difference is the Republican pork would be wasted in slightly different ways.
Did I say we were? You know what I think about almost everyone in Washington. Can you say criminals? Can you say "your tea is in the harbor, sir?"
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pat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:21:02am |
And I cannot believe there are Republicans who want to give Obama cover. Incredible.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:21:24am |
re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What's wrong with Amnesty International.
Don't they know what side of the bread their butterhole is on?
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acwgusa Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:21:24am |
Well, we can look on the bright side.
Iran will nuke D.C. right after the bill passes.
////////Major Major, MAJOR SARC!
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WriterMom Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:21:30am |
re: #157 pat
Pat, there is no point even considering the reporters objective. He has "accredited" the Huffington Post for crying out loud.
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:21:48am |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
Who has the latest on the Israeli elections?
Gateway Pundit will be keeping up with the Israeli election all day in this post.
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:21:54am |
re: #146 Gretchen
He may be sorry about that. Old people vote and old people vote Democrat and get very little news on the internet - they prefer the liberal cheerleading papers.
I believe that. In the run up to the election, my Parents kept asking me why I didn't read the NYT or LA Times more and wondered why I wouldn't support Obama. They tried telling me voting Republican would put my kids in debt for their entire lives.
HA! just doesnt seem to cover my feelings on this right about now.
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Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:21:55am |
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jcbunga Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:21:58am |
How do I opt out?
How do I take my wages, shield my property, and enjoy the Constitution free from this madness?
Somebody please tell me how to opt out.
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MPH Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:22:09am |
Here is the letter I sent to Senator Susan Collins last week (I am a Maine native).
Sen. Collins,
If it is true that you are the Senator who has "compromised" with budget insanity, then you have disgraced the state of Maine.
If it is true that you are responsible for giving Pelosi and the President their coveted republican support, then you will never, ever receive another vote from me. I don't care if you are running against Tom Allen or Joseph Stalin.
As Maine goes, so goes the nation....thanks a lot!
MPH
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Desert Dog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:22:11am |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
We aren't seeing anything that the republicans wouldn't be doing. The first phase of the bailout involved Bush investing in private banks and buying up bad loans. That is textbook socialism. The only difference is the Republican pork would be wasted in slightly different ways.
The Republicans spent like drunken sailors, no doubt. This newest bill just takes it a few steps further, the entire fleet is drunk now. We need to toss ALL of them out on their ears. The entire Congress and President are hellbent on running us all off the cliff...The more they spend and the more they meddle, the worse it will get.
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nyc redneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:22:17am |
re: #157 pat
How about these idol worshippers pretending to be reporters? I will bet donuts to dollars the first question was staged.
of course it was.
he was meeting w/ his fan club.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:22:26am |
re: #160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
If every Republican was against this bill, they could attempt a filibuster.
They voted for cloture yesterday and it was not filibustered... Therefore the Senate Bill will be voted on after the set period of debate today.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:22:31am |
re: #142 Nevergiveup
Yes it's late and getting later
The Israeli polls close at 10PM, I believe, which is 3PM Eastern (US) time.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:22:34am |
re: #160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
If every Republican was against this bill, they could attempt a filibuster.
And then what, talk and talk, 24 hours a day until someone gives. But bottom line, it will eventually pass, with most of what the Dems want, no matter what?
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:22:53am |
re: #112 reine.de.tout
My situtation, though rare, is not unique, nor is it as critical as yours.
Will be praying this doesn't affect you and the care you are getting.
thanks. I dont like to talk about it. I think of myself as ok, just with annoying little details in my life. But this has set me into a state of full blown terror. Ive talked to my mom about hoarding my meds and I have really truly contemplated the possibility that i will have to secretly see my (Super Uber Cool) Cardiologist with my own money, perhaps in his home.
in Hillary care, that would get you 10 years, and him 10 too in the slammer. Federal crime. what will be the penalty this time around?
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Kenneth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:22:54am |
Obama said the bill is "100% pork free"... must be Halal.
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:22:56am |
re: #150 albusteve
the peoples House stood unanimous against this bill...whatever their personal belief the senate should have done the same....it is high political treason
Specter, Collins & Snow should be stripped of their committee assignments & give something really low level.
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:22:59am |
Like alcoholics who delude themselves into believing they have the willpower to stop and start drinking whenever they like, the mainstream press thinks that they can stop and then start doing their job whenever they feel like it and it won't somehow break them forever.
They have sold every last ounce of credibility they had. They are going bankrupt left and right as a result. Now they want to get serious and do their job on covering Obama? Too little, way too late.
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debutaunt Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:23:02am |
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:23:17am |
re: #166 pat
And I cannot believe there are Republicans who want to give Obama cover. Incredible.
Of course there are... I'm just surprised Linsey Graham and John McCain are not two of them.
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Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:23:17am |
re: #162 WriterMom
Golem, it was awesome! Not only did he smack down the idiots claiming the Human Rights commissions had a role to play in our lives, but he really decimated the moonbats in the question and answer period. He is smart, funny as anything, well-dressed, charming and engaging, and he is a major mensch. Talk about the thrill of a lifetime.
Was the audience receptive?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:23:20am |
The only good thing I can possibly think of that will come out of all this is when everything goes swirling down the toilet - like any sane person knows it will - it will have demonstrated YET AGAIN that socialism NEVER works. And we will get another chance at real capitalism, Reagan-style. Until people start whining about how unfair it is that they have to actually work in a capitalist system rather than sit on their lazy bums and collect government handouts. And so the cycle begins again...
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Elcid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:23:28am |
reine.de.tout/Karagush
I know it doesn't stop your anxieties and stress, but thoughts and prayers for you. Hopefully in some small way, it will bring you warmth.
You are not statistics, but human beings.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:23:46am |
re: #185 debutaunt
I will never be a socialist.
Then you better pack a big bag for that reeducation camp.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:23:47am |
re: #161 Nevergiveup
The FIRST? How about most of them.
What? The "Mr. Obama, how did you get to be so awesome" question wasn't!
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Wishing Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:24:02am |
re: #181 Karagush
thanks. I dont like to talk about it. I think of myself as ok, just with annoying little details in my life. But this has set me into a state of full blown terror. Ive talked to my mom about hoarding my meds and I have really truly contemplated the possibility that i will have to secretly see my (Super Uber Cool) Cardiologist with my own money, perhaps in his home.
in Hillary care, that would get you 10 years, and him 10 too in the slammer. Federal crime. what will be the penalty this time around?
I have started buying extra meds from Canada: you have to pay for them, can't use insurance, but it is one way to get a back-up supply.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:24:11am |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
[Link: twitter.com...]
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:24:15am |
re: #166 pat
And I cannot believe there are Republicans who want to give Obama cover. Incredible.
Politicians' first and foremost loyalty is to their own kind.
/Statesmen are another matter
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joncelli Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:24:30am |
re: #105 Ward Cleaver
If you know somebody in Maine, get on the phone with them and tell them to call Collins's and Snowe's offices. They will answer calls that are clearly from constituents. Tell them to be polite but firm, and give them a script so that they get the word across succinctly: "I am from Maine. I have lived there ____ years. I am opposed to this bill and I have many friends and neighbors who are opposed to it too. You will receive my support for changing your vote -- and my opposition for NOT changing it."
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:24:33am |
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:24:40am |
Timmy Taxcheat wants another $1.5 trillion after this.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:24:52am |
re: #173 jcbunga
How do I opt out?
How do I take my wages, shield my property, and enjoy the Constitution free from this madness?
Somebody please tell me how to opt out.
you have to work for cash and then let the IRS beat the shit out of you for a few years....you can't own anything or have any traceable money laying around...it's not for everyone
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:25:12am |
Reminding people of what I always say... once these huge government socialist programs are in place (SSI, Medicare), they will NEVER come off the books.
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:25:27am |
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Desert Dog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:25:58am |
re: #177 tfc3rid
They voted for cloture yesterday and it was not filibustered... Therefore the Senate Bill will be voted on after the set period of debate today.
The Republicans are spineless....they will offer little resistance. Just enough to say, "See, we tried to block it". The Dems don't even have to resort to the "nuclear option", as they have all the Democrats marching in lock step and the necessary number of RINO's tagging along for the ride.
We will have to let this run it's course. If it succeeds, they get all the glory. If it fails, they can have all the blame...this is their plan....
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:26:09am |
re: #193 lawhawk
Israeli citizens vote 2day. We will be tweeting results of polls as they go live starting at about 2pm EST
Looks like we should know by this evening.
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:26:13am |
re: #186 tfc3rid
Of course there are... I'm just surprised Linsey Graham and John McCain are not two of them.
Go figure. Graham doesn't have any independent thought. He goes the way McCain goes.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:26:14am |
Is it my imagination, or does the O often use the term "making an investment", when what he really means is "will be spending"?
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:26:22am |
The Dow has already dropped 275 points in anticipation.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:26:28am |
re: #202 faraway
Comrade, we are all Socialists now.
I may live in a socialist state, but I am not now, nor will I ever be, a socialist.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:26:39am |
So, what is the metric for this bill being a 'success' or not? When can we say, look socialism doesn't work... This bailout did not work?
What is the metric behind it?
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Kenneth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:26:44am |
re: #185 debutaunt
I will never be a socialist.
Yeah, but hho the hell asked your opinion? The One has spoken. Obey.
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Wishing Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:26:47am |
re: #200 tfc3rid
Reminding people of what I always say... once these huge government socialist programs are in place (SSI, Medicare), they will NEVER come off the books.
Imagine doing away with Social Security...
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rightside Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:26:49am |
re: #3 Dianna
I don't feel stimulated. I've got this cold hollow in my tummy.
Plop plop, fizz fizz,
Oh what a relief stimulus is!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:26:50am |
re: #196 buzzsawmonkey
But, we can be sure that the UN is carrying out Madame Blavatsky's agenda.
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yma o hyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:27:05am |
re: #189 Elcid
reine.de.tout/Karagush
I know it doesn't stop your anxieties and stress, but thoughts and prayers for you. Hopefully in some small way, it will bring you warmth.
You are not statistics, but human beings.
Seconded - wholeheartedly!
{karagush}
{reine}
{all Lizards in such a situation}
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:27:06am |
re: #183 opnion
Specter, Collins & Snow should be stripped of their committee assignments & give something really low level.
public opinion and filibuster are the last hope and these three are swiping that chance away....it's just the worst behavior imaginable imo
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phoenixgirl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:27:39am |
we need better buildings so our children can learn, don't mention we need better teachers who can teach!
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guy_philly Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:27:47am |
I heard that the illegal aliens are beginning to think twice about crossing the border into the U.S. because their bosses will be taking so much out of their wages to try to pay off this debt!
/
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:27:48am |
re: #208 Ford_Prefect
I may live in a socialist state, but I am not now, nor will I ever be, a socialist.
I will never be a socialist... Ever.
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mfarmer1 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:27:50am |
Another great appointment by Obama: Arne Duncan
What's next, a child rapist to oversee the national sex offender registry?
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CommonCents Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:27:52am |
re: #209 tfc3rid
So, what is the metric for this bill being a 'success' or not? When can we say, look socialism doesn't work... This bailout did not work?
What is the metric behind it?
It will "either create or save 4 million jobs", according to the O. If 4 million Americans still have jobs at the end of the year, this bill will be a success.
Talk about setting low standards.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:27:53am |
re: #206 reine.de.tout
Is it my imagination, or does the O often use the term "making an investment", when what he really means is "will be spending"?
Ssshhhh. You're gonna get in trouble for pointing that out.
/
OT - when can we order the cookbook, or did I miss something?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:01am |
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:06am |
re: #208 Ford_Prefect
I may live in a socialist state, but I am not now, nor will I ever be, a socialist.
Comrade, I am reporting you to the Commissar of Reeducation. It is a short 8 year camp where you will learn to crack rocks for the masses.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:21am |
re: #173 jcbunga
How do I opt out?
How do I take my wages, shield my property, and enjoy the Constitution free from this madness?
Somebody please tell me how to opt out.
Move to Venezuela. Not much difference there, but at least the weather is warm & the women better-looking.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:23am |
re: #211 Wishing
Imagine doing away with Social Security...
I'd just like to open up accounts for people... We couldn't even do that because of typical AARP and Dem scare tactics.
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:31am |
re: #182 Kenneth
Obama said the bill is "100% pork free"... must be Halal.
They are defining 'pork' to fit their needs. There is much in this bill that looks like pork and smells like pork, but since it is not being put in as an earmark, they are not calling it pork.
It is some kind of imitation pork product, and not in a good way like all beef hotdogs.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:37am |
re: #213 rightside
Plop plop, fizz fizz,
Oh what a relief stimulus is!
Plop plop, flush flush,
Oh what a stimulus does to us!
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:37am |
Treasury unveils new bank rescue, Senate vote near
In a string of powerful actions, the government moved on Tuesday to marshal colossal sums that could approach $3 trillion in taxpayer and private money to help thaw credit markets, slow painful layoffs and revive the collapsing national economy....
At the sound of the Rip the Down will be: -271.84
Gee...I sure don't have much confidence in our gubberment, Presidente and the direction we're moving. Can't imagine why.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:46am |
re: #168 acwgusa
Well, we can look on the bright side.
Iran will nuke D.C. right after the bill passes.
////////Major Major, MAJOR SARC!
I'm more afraid that 0bama will suck more up to Iran. Something has changed Ahmadinejad's mind recently:
Ahmadinejad says talks with US possible
I guess the 0 might be agreeing to Da'wa
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:48am |
re: #206 reine.de.tout
Is it my imagination, or does the O often use the term "making an investment", when what he really means is "will be spending"?
Clinton used the same word; "investing".
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WriterMom Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:49am |
re: #187 Golem Akbar
Well, yes and no. The Steyn groupies were into it! I had one lady with a hijab sitting next to me-and she didn't look like she liked it..LOL.
But who cares? I spent the afternoon with Mark Steyn!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:50am |
re: #211 Wishing
Imagine doing away with Social Security...
I can, give me the money I gave you, right now. I know how to spend MY money better than they do.
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CommonCents Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:28:53am |
re: #225 faraway
Comrade, I am reporting you to the Commissar of Reeducation. It is a short 8 year camp where you will learn to crack rocks for the masses.
I'm betting on a 4 year quick learning camp.
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Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:29:11am |
re: #185 debutaunt
I will never be a socialist.
That is an amazing cover. Newsweek has tipped its hand. That ought to be the discussion on everyone's mind, in all homes, businesses, and anywhere else people meet to discuss. Are we now socialists? Is this what Obama's election has signalled? As a one-time socialist, I think this is one of the most important topics of today.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:29:29am |
re: #210 Kenneth
Yeah, but hho the hell asked your opinion? The One has spoken. Obey.
"Jedi" must now mean ... Obey One CanObey.
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:29:30am |
Well COmrade Lizards, I think when this bill passes, the DOWn will most likely fall even more. 272 is going to look like a picnic, Wall Street knows what is up and they don't like it.
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:29:48am |
Limbaugh says that on September 16, 2008, there was an electronic "run" on mutual funds, $550 billion within an hour. The Federal Reserve then ordered a shut-down of the money funds, and Paulson and Berneke went to the White House, telling the President $5.5 trillion dollars would been drawn out, destroying the U.S. economy and the world economy. No one knows who or what caused the run. Could have been orchestrated by Soros, or by foreign governments with an interest in creating a "September surprise", electing Obama.
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gregg Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:01am |
Every time Geithner/Obama speak, a short seller gets a Porsche.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:04am |
re: #190 Nevergiveup
Then you better pack a big bag for that reeducation camp.
At the risk of seeming obtuse, I'm going to suggest that you don't need to worry about being shipped off to a re-education camp. What we'll see is what we're seeing now - they will try to turn the nation into a giant camp. Easier that way, get the inmates to build and pay for the thing, and have them live in it while they do so - no transportation or logistics nightmares.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:04am |
re: #225 faraway
Comrade, I am reporting you to the Commissar of Reeducation. It is a short 8 year camp where you will learn to crack rocks for the masses.
8 years or 80 years, I will still not be a socialist.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:05am |
re: #223 buzzsawmonkey
Well, that's all right then.
OT - I'm sorry, but I had a meltdown with all that earlier. He we are talking about straight in your face reality, and suddenly is all a New Age conspiracy. To much faulty input.
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infidel4ever Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:08am |
re: #16 Charles
OT
Maybe this might be threadworthy later on? Great Britain sinking deeper into dhimmitude...
Geert Wilders denied entry into Great Britain
Tuesday February 10 2009
"Great Britain sacrificing freedom of speech"
Geert Wilders has been denied entry into Great Britain. The leader of the PVV had been invited by a member of the British House of Lords to show Fitna in Parliament on Thrursday. However, today he received a letter from the British embassy in which he is denied entry into the UK.
According to Wilders "Great Britain is sacrificing her freedom of speech".
"This is the sort of thing you expect in Saoudi-Arabia, not in Great Britain. I think this cowardly attitude of the British government is really awful. I have simply been invited by a member of the British Parliament."
In the meantime Fitna has been shown in a number of countries, including Israel. Next week the film will be shown in the Italian Parliament and in a couple of weeks in the United States. Wilders is not sure whether he will resign himself to this state of affairs.
"I seriously consider putting the matter to the test by simply getting on a plane. Then I'll find out what happens. But I'll keep my options open because I first want to find out what the procedures are."
Text translated from the PVV website at
Geert Wilders toegang tot Groot-Brittannië geweigerd
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:11am |
re: #220 mfarmer1
Another great appointment by Obama: Arne Duncan
What's next, a child rapist to oversee the national sex offender registry?
Oh good heavens...this is all such a nightmare.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:23am |
re: #222 Walter L. Newton
Ssshhhh. You're gonna get in trouble for pointing that out.
/OT - when can we order the cookbook, or did I miss something?
I've ordered a copy to look at to be sure it's OK before opening it for sales.
You can order now if you want, but I would suggest waiting 'til I've checked it out, so if there are glitches we can fix 'em.
Problem is the mailing of these takes a long time. I figure I should have it within next 3 weeks (ordered 2 weeks ago)
btw - I will post updates here, but in case you think you might have missed something, remember you can CLICK MY NIC - goes directly to the blog,
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:38am |
Maybe I am missing something & I really haven't read much of the bill, just the bullit points, but how can the government limit bennefits?
If an employer contacts with a claims payer & chooses the provided benefits, how can the government intervene?
If they are trying to do that, we are truly screwed.
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Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:43am |
re: #234 WriterMom
Well, yes and no. The Steyn groupies were into it! I had one lady with a hijab sitting next to me-and she didn't look like she liked it..LOL.
But who cares? I spent the afternoon with Mark Steyn!
Mazal tov!
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yma o hyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:49am |
re: #206 reine.de.tout
Is it my imagination, or does the O often use the term "making an investment", when what he really means is "will be spending"?
If he does - he 'learned' that from our Gord, who was Chancellor of the Exchequer (i.e. responsible for finances, economy, everything ..) when Tony B. was Prime Minister.
Its shorthand for 'tax and spend' - something all socialists are very good at!
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:30:49am |
re: #190 Nevergiveup
Then you better pack a big bag for that reeducation camp.
See, this shows how you're thinking is not right for the brave new world.
That big bag will be shared among all the needier people in the camp (and of course, the camp guards and staff)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:31:16am |
re: #139 Walter L. Newton
Ok, I'm confused. Somebody smarter than me needs to clear this up. Even if every Republican votes against this, there is no way to stop it forever, is there?
The Dems have a sufficient majority that they could pass the bill today, hands down. There is no need other than CYA to attempt to get Independents and the Republicans on board. O, Pelosi, and Reid just need a scapegoat when this Rape of America goes bad.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:31:18am |
re: #248 reine.de.tout
I've ordered a copy to look at to be sure it's OK before opening it for sales.
You can order now if you want, but I would suggest waiting 'til I've checked it out, so if there are glitches we can fix 'em.
Problem is the mailing of these takes a long time. I figure I should have it within next 3 weeks (ordered 2 weeks ago)
btw - I will post updates here, but in case you think you might have missed something, remember you can CLICK MY NIC - goes directly to the blog,
TFTHURDT.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:31:24am |
re: #240 quickjustice
I heard that as well... Seems like this may be a convenient set up to elect Obama... Little did they realize that George Bush would open the door for socialism too...
It's working out better than ever anticipated.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:31:33am |
re: #220 mfarmer1
Broken, Beaten, Scarred.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger... I can only hope that this isn't terminal wasting.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:31:47am |
re: #181 Karagush
thanks. I dont like to talk about it. I think of myself as ok, just with annoying little details in my life. . . .
That's how I feel, too.
Unfortunately for me, my meds don't come to me in a form I can hoard.
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nyc redneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:31:55am |
re: #162 WriterMom
Golem, it was awesome! Not only did he smack down the idiots claiming the Human Rights commissions had a role to play in our lives, but he really decimated the moonbats in the question and answer period. He is smart, funny as anything, well-dressed, charming and engaging, and he is a major mensch. Talk about the thrill of a lifetime.
i love him. his sense of humor is how he does it.
exposing the stupidity of the left and laughing in their faces.
he subbed for rush last wk. and he is so funny, he cracks himself up.
LOL .
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:32:29am |
That "run" triggered the economic downturn by stampeding the public and investors into selling. The timing is what is intriguing here.
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:32:31am |
Democrats Block Amendment Requiring Citizenship Verification for Stimulus Cash
Senators Ben Nelson (D-NE), Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Harry Reid (D-Nev) block amendment requiring require proof of citizenship for stimulus recipients.
Yesterday, Max Baucus blocked the legislation from making it to the floor.
Numbers USA reported:On Feb. 9, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) attempted to offer his E-Verify amendment (SA 239) to the economic stimulus package, but Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) prevented him from doing so. SA 239 would have required all businesses and localities that receive stimulus money to use the E-Verify employment verification system. Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), who had earlier supported Sen. Sessions' efforts to mandate E-Verify for stimulus recipients, did not support Sen. Sessions' attempt to force the Senate to vote on SA 239. In fact, Sen. Nelson moved to end all debate on the economic stimulus package.
More... Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid blocked the amendment by Senator Jeff Sessions and Senator Ben Nelson (before Nelson withdrew support) that would require proof of citizenship for stimulus recipients.
Liveleak and LGF reported:GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions and Democrat Sen. Ben Nelson attempted several times to bring their bipartisan amendment to the floor last week. SA 239 would require local governments and businesses that receive porkulus money to use the federal E-Verify citizenship check system.
On the House side, a long term extension of the E-Verify program passed there 407-2 (Conservative Oasis).
But Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid refused to allow it to come to the floor. Now, we’re headed for cloture.
“While it is difficult to believe that Senate leaders might insist that illegal aliens have the same chance at new stimulus jobs as unemployed Americans, this scenario may now be at hand,” says Roy Beck of Numbers USA. “SA 239 is now unlikely to receive a floor vote.”
The provision is not included in the Sellout Substitute Amendment forged by the Turncoat Caucus and the Democrats.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:32:41am |
When is Obama having his staged campaign rally, oops, I mean Town Hall in FL today?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:32:56am |
re: #233 Ward Cleaver
Clinton used the same word; "investing".
Yes, he did, didn't he.
But it really isn't "investing".
All it really is, is "spending".
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J.S. Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:32:56am |
Happened to catch The One in Florida talking down the economy, again...going on and on about the jobless numbers, the soaring unemployment rates, the plunge in house values, the bankruptcies, on and on and on...Then (what I find disturbing/puzzling) is that a pause, a break in the "bad news" the idiots in the audience start applauding...Yeah, there's applause...What are these idiots, Obama's glassy-eyed, sycophantic followers, thinking? that it's great news that the economy's "in the tank?" I really dont' get the applause, and the gleeful expressions....
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:33:15am |
re: #253 FurryOldGuyJeans
The Dems have a sufficient majority that they could pass the bill today, hands down. There is no need other than CYA to attempt to get Independents and the Republicans on board. O, Pelosi, and Reid just need a scapegoat when this Rape of America goes bad.
They already have that. The inflatable punching-clown known as "W" is always good for a few more rounds.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:33:21am |
re: #238 pre-Boomer Marine brat
"Jedi" must now mean ... Obey One CanObey.
Speaking of Jedi, any Star Wars fans out there should go & see Fanboys. A lot of fun & laughs (unless you're a Trekkie).
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:33:24am |
re: #113 turn
May I be so bold as to ask what ails you?
if i said it was a combination of genetic problems in my kidneys, Lupus, AND the effects of surviving Viral Meningitis and encephalitis when i was 15, which pretty much fried my nervous system, and adversely affects the way my heart functions (my heart rate rests at 120 even when i sleep) I have Hypertension, a damaged immune system, and epilepsy from the encephalitis, I would be giving you the short list. Oh and because the encephalitis messed with my neural functions i am brilliant but weird. In sum, I am a mess. Fortunately the package is an attractive lean woman with long brown hair. Because of the nerve damage i am not graceful, but I move effectively now after about 5 years intensive therapy, then almost 2 decades of going back off and on for tune ups.
BTW i hate talking about this shit. I am NOT a list of illnesses. I am a person.
I do so hate there are many people that see me as just my chart.
So i prefer to think of myself as a Horsewoman, and animal behaviourist, and a survivor of an extraordinary experience.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:33:37am |
Don't look now, but they're voting on final passage.
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seekeroftruth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:33:55am |
re: #259 quickjustice
That "run" triggered the economic downturn by stampeding the public and investors into selling. The timing is what is intriguing here.
And who was behind it....Soros? ....what country or countries?....
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:33:58am |
re: #268 Who Watches the Watchmen?
Don't look now, but they're voting on final passage.
We're FUCKED!
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Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:33:59am |
re: #258 nyc redneck
i love him. his sense of humor is how he does it.
exposing the stupidity of the left and laughing in their faces.
he subbed for rush last wk. and he is so funny, he cracks himself up.
LOL .
He is a quick wit with a great heart. Plus he knows his music. I can listen to him for hours.
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:34:05am |
re: #192 Wishing
Hi Wishing - PLEASE be careful about ordering meds from Canada. I've had several (at least 4) different doctors - including my current oncologist - warn me that a) Canadian drug strength frequently varies from those sold here b) there is, to those doctors' minds a question of the "purity" of those drugs [apparently Canada gets some of them from other countries, and not from the US] and c) if you DO order meds from Canada, depending on what they are, you should take a pill or capsule or whatever to your doctor and have him or her have it tested for quality and purity.
Course if this Spending Bill passes with that godawful "socialist" medicine provision in it - where someone in the government has to approve your treatment as proposed by you doctor, you might as well go ahead if the government says, essentially, that you're not worth spending the money on to make you healthy or keep you alive.
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P-DEX Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:34:05am |
I went looking for a map that displayed the 2008 budget deficits of all the states. Found one that showed circles over the states, the larger the circle the bigger the deficit. Well, guess what? The majority of the states with the largest deficits are blue one's...you know, the liberal utopias. I could barely make out the northeast because the circles were so large they blotted out the state boundaries. When this thing gets passed, I have a feeling in four years there will be many states adding larger circles to that map.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:34:07am |
re: #262 tfc3rid
When is Obama having his staged campaign rally, oops, I mean Town Hall in FL today?
He's going to be in FL today? Man he is racking up the miles on that new 'green' Air Force One, isn't he?
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WriterMom Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:34:19am |
re: #258 nyc redneck
He also never lowers himself to their level. He is charming, and really paid attention to all the groupies, listening to our questions and stories like we were complete equals in the battle. CLASS and STYLE.
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:34:36am |
re: #243 Ford_Prefect
8 years or 80 years, I will still not be a socialist.
We have ways of breaking you.
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Scorch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:34:37am |
re: #93 opnion
I can't prove this, but it looks to me that this attack on the Health Delivery System & the overall looting of the Treasury is an attempt to push us into Socialism.
The modern Democrat Party resembles European Socialists.
Yes it does and this administration is getting cocky enough to not even try to hide that fact anymore. When our commander in chief tells us only the government can solve this economic crisis we are in big trouble.
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:34:37am |
Just to make it even worse. It's snowing here. Where is Al, I want to punch him in the nose!
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Wishing Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:34:50am |
Ok I cant get through to Collins Snowe or Specter. Am I surprised? Not at all. They may as well leave those phones off the hook and spend their time packing. They wont be going back to DC for another term.
Traitors.
Spit.
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:35:04am |
This truly is Sophistry, create the situation for Socialism, blame someone else (Bush) & institute Socialism.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:35:11am |
Ok - got to go help clean up the scene shop. See you all later in the PM.
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WriterMom Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:35:13am |
re: #271 Golem Akbar
Golem, your e-mail thingy is blue..better watch out or I'll send an e-mail to you.
/you never call, you never write
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:35:21am |
re: #220 mfarmer1
Another great appointment by Obama: Arne Duncan
What's next, a child rapist to oversee the national sex offender registry?
Performance is not a metric in Obama's criteria.
Makes one wonder what Arne Duncan did to earn the appointment.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:35:28am |
re: #274 Ford_Prefect
He's going to be in FL today? Man he is racking up the miles on that new 'green' Air Force One, isn't he?
He's there now... It's a wonder it isn't on TV.
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afootball Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:36:03am |
re: #181 Karagush
Keep fighting the good fight.
I was recently diagnosed with Lyme.
The only cure is lots and lots of anti-biotics, completely unapproved, of course.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:36:10am |
re: #265 Lizard by the Bay
They already have that. The inflatable punching-clown known as "W" is always good for a few more rounds.
They also need a bunch of obstructionist Rs to complete the triad. The push to get this passed NOW is because they know if the American public knew the full extent of what this porkulus bill entails there would be a HUGE uproar.
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:36:12am |
re: #255 tfc3rid
Paulson, a Hillary Democrat, and Bernecke, Greenspan's inexperienced successor, panicked, and stampeded President Bush. One interesting question is whether either of them knew that the "run" was a setup to panic the markets.
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Wishing Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:36:32am |
re: #261 jaunte
Schumer: "The American people really don't care."
Can't get through to Schumer's office either.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:36:35am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:36:43am |
re: #226 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Move to Venezuela. Not much difference there, but at least the weather is warm & the
womenguys are better-looking.
Hey! Fixed that for ya!
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IgofAntioch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:36:45am |
I am seeing the deliberate trashing of the American system by the democratic left; these are dark days now and ahead of us.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:36:52am |
re: #249 opnion
Maybe I am missing something & I really haven't read much of the bill, just the bullit points, but how can the government limit bennefits?
If an employer contacts with a claims payer & chooses the provided benefits, how can the government intervene?
If they are trying to do that, we are truly screwed.
Listening to Rush, it sounds as though they're starting with senior citizens.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:36:59am |
Apparently a woman was booed at the rally in FL for asking Obama a tough question...
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:37:03am |
If the Senate passes this mosntrosity, doesn't it have to go back to the House for approval on the changes made?
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Golem Akbar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:37:04am |
re: #283 WriterMom
Golem, your e-mail thingy is blue..better watch out or I'll send an e-mail to you.
/you never call, you never write
I just learned how. I never even thought about it before today. Feel free to write.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:37:12am |
re: #279 buzzsawmonkey
We don't need no stimulation
Don't want wage or price controls
Don't want to be Obamanation
Or throw trillions in a holeHey! Barack! Leave that cash alone!
All in all, the stimulus is a giant pork haul
Don't you know you'll have to kick into the pork haul?
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your pork?
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jorline Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:37:26am |
re: #263 reine.de.tout
Yes, he did, didn't he.
But it really isn't "investing".
All it really is, is "spending".
The hair stands up on their neck when we refer to it as spending.
They prefer shopping. :) Honey, look what we bought today.
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:38:06am |
re: #272 realwest
Realwest...
Some of these drugs can be out of date, or even worse kill!
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nyc redneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:38:33am |
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:38:43am |
re: #75 littleoldlady
Hey {littleoldlady} - good to see you out here! Did you get my e-mail about the health care(?!) portions of this stupid bill?!
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LGoPs Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:38:45am |
re: #189 Elcid
reine.de.tout/Karagush
I know it doesn't stop your anxieties and stress, but thoughts and prayers for you. Hopefully in some small way, it will bring you warmth.
You are not statistics, but human beings.
Amen.
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WriterMom Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:38:47am |
re: #297 Golem Akbar
OK. I'll do that tomorrow. I've got to take one of the kids to an appointment shortly so I can't really futz around with the e-mail now.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:39:06am |
re: #301 nyc redneck
{reine},
i'm going to keep you in my prayers.
thank you!
Not as desperate a one as Karragush, though.
but thank you.
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debutaunt Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:39:08am |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
We aren't seeing anything that the republicans wouldn't be doing. The first phase of the bailout involved Bush investing in private banks and buying up bad loans. That is textbook socialism. The only difference is the Republican pork would be wasted in slightly different ways.
I wanted to cry when Bush said he had set his free market principles aside.
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silvergirl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:39:16am |
What is all this talk of stimulus? Get your terms right. Have you not heard that it is the Recovery and Reinvestment plan and it will provide immediate relief? Ah, I'm already feeling that R and R. Breathe deeply. Enjoy.
/
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:39:31am |
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WriterMom Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:39:37am |
reine/karagush
I like you two very much and wish you REFUAH SHLEMA good health and a long life and joy always.
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Moonbat Serenade Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:39:52am |
I e-mailed every Republican member of the Senate yesterday telling them to stand together and let the Democrats own this bill and the disaster to follow. So far, I have gotten back 5 canned "thank you for contacting me" replies. About what I figured in terms of responses...
President Omeba said it best during the campaign-
"You can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig..."
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:40:34am |
Schumer from earlier on the Seante Floor... To GOP members...
"You lost,” Sen. Schumer sneered. Besides, he taunted, the “American people really don’t care” about all those “little tiny, yes, porky amendments” that the “chattering classes” have exposed:
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:40:40am |
re: #100 Wishing
Yeah, same thing for me with Collins on Saturday too.
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:41:31am |
re: #257 reine.de.tout
That's how I feel, too.
Unfortunately for me, my meds don't come to me in a form I can hoard.
not all of mine do either... thats what terrifies me. If theres is a general breakdown if society, i shudder to think what will happen to me.
Thank you warmly to all who have expressed support :)
I am not used to talking about my problems. I was raised by a mean old Gunny who told me it was better for people to just think i was a little eccentric and clumsy, perhaps with a need for allergy meds, than tell my real story to them.
I have tested his theory.
People treat you different if they know. AND USUALLY NOT IN A GOOD WAY.
So i dont tell nothin.
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michaelhop Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:41:55am |
Obama is giving the clenched fist to Republicans, with one outstretched finger of bi-partisanship.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:43:01am |
re: #309 WriterMom
thank you! so much . ..
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yma o hyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:43:04am |
re: #245 infidel4ever
Erm - he's a EU citizen, there are no restrictions on travels for any EU citizen between the states belonging to the EU.
Geert Wilders doesn't need a visum or permit to visit the UK.
I don't know whats going on - have you got a British link?
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:43:18am |
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:44:25am |
Ayes 61 Nays 37
H.R. 1 passes
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BakaRanger Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:44:33am |
re: #249 opnion
Maybe I am missing something & I really haven't read much of the bill, just the bullit points, but how can the government limit bennefits?
If an employer contacts with a claims payer & chooses the provided benefits, how can the government intervene?
If they are trying to do that, we are truly screwed.
Listening to Rush, it sounds as though they're starting with senior citizens.
Where's AARP? I thought that they were the great defenders of the elderly.
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J.S. Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:44:36am |
From what I understand there are what -- three massive spending bills, totally nearly 3 trillion dollars? First there was last year's bill (under the Bush administration, 780 Billion), then there's the Obama "stimulus" bill (the pork bill written by Pelosi), now there's another one (announced by Geithner this morning to help, among others, home owners?)
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BGOH Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:44:54am |
It just passed the Senate. 61-37.
I feel sooo much better!
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:45:26am |
re: #286 afootball
I got the Lyme vaccine before it was banned.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:45:46am |
re: #234 WriterMom
Well, yes and no. The Steyn groupies were into it! I had one lady with a hijab sitting next to me-and she didn't look like she liked it..LOL.
But who cares? I spent the afternoon with Mark Steyn!
You are so lucky! I have such a crush on him.
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Bob Dillon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:45:57am |
re: #61 redstateredneck
Vote their asses out of office.
Been trying that for 45 years. Good covert strategy. We need overt action now.
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:46:03am |
re: #321 buzzsawmonkey
These kids today. No respect for the classics...
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:46:17am |
re: #286 afootball
Keep fighting the good fight.
I was recently diagnosed with Lyme.
The only cure is lots and lots of anti-biotics, completely unapproved, of course.
my best girlfriend had that. Sucky disease, sucky teatment. I wish you the best. they cleared her system if it finally. Hope you get as good a result.
We need to fight this somehow.
But how?
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:46:22am |
re: #174 MPH
Y'all should send the same letter to Snowe while you're at it; she and Collins and Specter gave the Dems the Senate win last night 61-36 - Dems needed 60 votes.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:46:28am |
Fuck the GOP'ers who voted for it... Slam their phones...
This is not government of the people, for the people and by the people...
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VioletTiger Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:47:06am |
Fox has links where you can read the bills:
[Link: foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com...]
They invite you to join the hunt for the prok.
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Born_to_lose Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:47:37am |
... You know... I heard, once, that that Lady Sarah Palin was a REAL fiscal conservative... perhaps she'll have her day in the sun, at some point...
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Scorch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:48:55am |
re: #267 Karagush
And I thought I had been through some rough times. Salute to you lady!
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:49:05am |
re: #175 Desert Dog
Excuse me - the Republicans DID spend like drunken sailors, but remember they were spending BILLIONS AND BILLIONS on the then New Wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and dealing with Katrina.
Obama want's to put us into more of a deficit in his first 100 days than did Bush in the last four years.
It's absolute rubbish that the Republicans and Democrats are the same when it comes to spending money.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:50:47am |
re: #320 Who Watches the Watchmen?
Ayes 61 Nays 37
H.R. 1 passes
For a minute, I thought it read "Ayers 61"
Same thing, I guess.
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:51:46am |
re: #309 WriterMom
reine/karagush
I like you two very much and wish you REFUAH SHLEMA good health and a long life and joy always.
thanks writer mom.
Your blessing is much appreciated here.
I think this healthcare thing is very dangerous.
When you get somone and their kids by their healthcare you have them by the balls.
If you dont play along with the system in any way you or your loved ones could be denied their healthcare. Think about it. Camps wouldnt be needed. People often will do anything to keep their child or their spouse, or their parents alive. Even if their own life is not important how long can one live in pain?
This is scary bad stuff.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:51:50am |
That warm tingly feeling on your leg is our Gov...
peeing down our collective lower extremities!
This whole B.S. "recovery" plan is wrong on every
level! Just wrong!
I'm sure the "O" really knows how the nation feels about it!
He couldn't care less!
[deleted]!
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:53:25am |
re: #267 Karagush
Wow. I also have lupus, but it's totally uncomplicated and well-controlled with medication. I would love to hear more about your work with horses sometime.
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Scorch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:53:38am |
re: #279 buzzsawmonkey
Good idea...think I'll go put on Pink Floyds Pulse dvd, mix up a nice salty dog and relax.
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Born_to_lose Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:53:59am |
Ed Rollins made a good point on CNN last night, post press conference, about the fact that Obama has a history of NONbipartisanship, so, who the hell does he think he is asking for such from the republicans on a bill that is really not-so-bipartisan afterall...sheesh...
Also, the part where Obama talked about all of the money creating new jobs, but then goes on to say that people can stay on unemployment longer and with more benefits.... I mean, shit, talk about talking out of both sides of one's mouth! WHY the hell would any republican vote on something that is being introduced with this kind of LIBERAL vernacular!?!?!?!? Capitalism: Smashing the welfare state!
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:54:59am |
re: #336 realwest
The trouble is that the Republicans destroyed their credibility with the public with their domestic spending. No Child Left Behind and the prescription drug benefit are the easiest examples. It'll take a while for them to recover from that. On the other hand, Obama and the Democrats are rehabilitating the GOP in record time!
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:55:13am |
re: #227 tfc3rid
Well given that I live on Social Security Disability Insurance and Mom lives on a tiny stipend based on my Dads (rip) ss contributions, doing away with Social Security will surely and quite literally KILL both of us.
And since I've paid more money INTO social security than I'll ever live to receive (will leave something close to $125,000 in SS if my oncologist is right) I don't intend fro me and mom to be the only ones who go down.
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:57:11am |
re: #235 Walter L. Newton
AMEN TO THAT - AND THROW IN MEDICARE CONTRIBUTIONS AS WELL.
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gymmom Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:57:18am |
re: #267 Karagush
You should teach at med schools across the nation. That person part gets missed frequently. (I'm an MD, so I know) I'm not kidding.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:20am |
re: #313 buzzsawmonkey
Anybody else renting "Porky's" tonight?
Why rent? I think we just bought it, didn't we?
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:42am |
re: #339 Karagush
We've been getting rationing from the HMOs. This moves the rationing process over to the government, and connects it to a new national health information technology system. That system has been in the works for years, but never has been fully funded until now.
Health information technology can be used to improve the quality and safety of health care. It also can be used to ration and deny health care. Pulling the plug on Granny is something Dashcle already has said will become necessary to save money. The new national system will enable these rationing choices.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:00:03am |
re: #340 reloadingisnotahobby
That warm tingly feeling on your leg is our Gov...
peeing down our collective lower extremities!
It's raining.
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formercorpsman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:00:53am |
All I can say, as someone who has spent the last 19 years in medicine, the public has not seen anything yet.
This is not hyperbole, not fanaticism, cold hard facts.
The public has absolutely no idea what we have gotten into just now.
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Born_to_lose Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:28am |
re: #352 formercorpsman
The thought of what could/will be is nauseating...
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:47am |
re: #294 capitalist piglet
Listening to Rush, it sounds as though they're starting with senior citizens.
Figures, the Medicare population. If the government provides the beenefits, they set the rules. This is a prelude to a total takeover of the medical delivery system.
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:28am |
re: #294 capitalist piglet
Listening to Rush, it sounds as though they're starting with senior citizens.
and #249 opnion
Here's the deal - if you have an illness that treatment cannot cure, whether or not you're on private health insurance, under this bill, the decision to go ahead and treat you can be overturned by the Federal Government. They are starting with seniors simply because a) they have shorter lifespans to save and b) most probably have incurable or terminal illnesses.
The ultimate decision to treat you rests with your "value to contribute" to society.
See Canada or Great Britain's Health Care Delivery Serivices to see what we'll get here.
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:45am |
re: #344 quickjustice
Nonetheless, no Afghan war, no Iraq war and no Katrina and the Republicans spending is modest.
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:19am |
re: #352 formercorpsman
Hey my friend - some of us have an idea - did you perchance receive my e-mail from last night or this morning?
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infidel4ever Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:15:19am |
re: #318 yma o hyd
Not yet, but he seems to have gotten a letter from the British embassy that he is not welcome in the UK, EU citizen or not...
Lord Ahmed has threatened to get 10.000 of loyal Mohammedans to take to the streets...
Talk about a 5th column
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Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:01am |
re: #118 tfc3rid
Anyone want to bet that George Soros has his hands all over this economic crisis?
It's a little bigger than anything Goldfinger Soros can perpetrate on his own, but I'm sure he's not unhappy about it.
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Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:20am |
re: #354 opnion
re: #294 capitalist piglet
Listening to Rush, it sounds as though they're starting with senior citizens.Figures, the Medicare population. If the government provides the beenefits, they set the rules. This is a prelude to a total takeover of the medical delivery system.
The worst part of this is that they want to curtail research and development of new drugs and new treatments, even with private capital:
In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.
The fucking bastards.
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Scorch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:45am |
re: #355 realwest
Sounds like we will have a similar situation here like in the Netherlands where they speak so highly of their health care system but euthanasia is practiced.
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Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:31:14am |
re: #361 Scorch
Sounds like we will have a similar situation here like in the Netherlands where they speak so highly of their health care system but euthanasia is practiced.
Something they're proud of, by the way.
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woodstockdave Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:55:04pm |
Let's hope this massive transfer of power and wealth to Washington politicians only causes us one lost decade, instead of the multi-decade failed experiment in socialism that some European countries are struggling to dig themselves out of.
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Timbre Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:55:30pm |
Sad story of an illegal immigrant... I mean a migrant comrade.
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:06:37pm |
re: #347 gymmom
You should teach at med schools across the nation. That person part gets missed frequently. (I'm an MD, so I know) I'm not kidding.
you show me how, i would do it. Docs need to know we are people. And you just said something the head of neurodiagnostics at UCLA said to me many years ago. That my ability to articulate my experience could help medical people see those of us whom they treat as people just like them.
Point me in the direction, i will go there. Im in the lounge all the time, tho not always active, see if you can catch me there and we could talk about it.
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zulubaby Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:41pm |
re: #234 WriterMom
Well, yes and no. The Steyn groupies were into it! I had one lady with a hijab sitting next to me-and she didn't look like she liked it..LOL.
But who cares? I spent the afternoon with Mark Steyn!
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