The Senate has passed the largest spending bill in history.
And the Dow index slipped below 8,000 this morning.
UPDATE at 2/10/09 10:05:45 am:
The vote was 61-37.
UPDATE at 2/10/09 10:48:02 am:
Here’s the roll call: U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home - Votes - Roll Call Vote.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:25am |
Still has to pass the House. Which it will.
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Bloodnok Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:28am |
Breaking: Senate Passes Stimulus
I'll say it's breaking us.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:39am |
Is it too late to mail them a tea bag?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:42am |
I never thought I'd say that I trust Wall Street.
/at the moment, I do
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:43am |
Senate passes stimulus to cause our country to break.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:05am |
re: #8 Bloodnok
Breaking: Senate Passes Stimulus
I'll say it's breaking us.
Mere seconds behind. GMTA.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:12am |
Well, that's that.
The last nail has been put in the coffin of the longest economic expansion in history.
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SlartyBartfast Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:30am |
re: #7 Charles
Still has to pass the House. Which it will.
Sadly, it seems that every iteration gets larger...
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:49am |
re: #15 Tigger2005
Well, that's that.
The last nail has been put in the coffin of the longest economic expansion in history.
Since 1776
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:00:12am |
re: #16 ThinkRight
Rush just blamed the RINO repubs
He is right in doing so. Now the dems and three repubs own the debacle.
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:00:37am |
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:03am |
So, about that compound in the middle of nowhere...
I got guns and skills to contribute
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phoenixgirl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:06am |
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Picayune Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:34am |
re: #7 Charles
Can we all start singing "Happy Days Are Here Again" now, or do we really have to wait for the House to rubber-stamp this Document of Doom?
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:38am |
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Adrenalyn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:50am |
send lawyers, guns and money
is that right, or is something wrong about above ?
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LGoPs Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:53am |
That tremor you just heard is the Founding Father's turning over in their graves.....
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:57am |
We ought to hang three gold balls on the white house.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:04am |
Look on the bright side, what's-her-name won't have to work or pay her house or car payment anymore.
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wiffersnapper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:04am |
so because 3 repubs voted for it it becomes bipartisan?
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:14am |
Everyone you know or will know for the rest of your life was just sold out and placed in debt by these cocksuckers
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Tricky Dick Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:17am |
Like I said before, B. Hussien Obama and the democratically controlled congress are going to send the world into a depression that makes the followup of the 1929 stock market crash look like a walk in the park. If you're smart, you'll exercise your right to bear arms as soon as possible.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:17am |
re: #26 LGoPs
I feel a disturbance in the Force..........
As if millions of souls screamed out "We're F*cked!" at the same time.
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turn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:30am |
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:32am |
re: #36 Tigger2005
Look on the bright side, what's-her-name won't have to work or pay her house or car payment anymore.
My wife?
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red satellite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:37am |
Remind me not to visit Maine. Not to vacation there, nor live there.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:39am |
Last chance... If the GOP is invited to the negotiating table...
Oh and don't forget Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins... They made this happen... Flood their phone lines.
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:41am |
re: #29 Charles
The Dow is dropping. Now at 7993.
Here's the chart of Dow for today, for those who want to keep watch.
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phoenixgirl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:48am |
re: #36 Tigger2005
Look on the bright side, what's-her-name won't have to work or pay her house or car payment anymore.
henrietta hughs
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equable Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:48am |
Wow, Henrietta Hughes getting hooked up.
"Gimme!"
*Realizes PR opportunity*
"Sure!*
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:48am |
re: #29 Charles
When the Dow gets to 1776, all the lefties will wave little flags.
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SlartyBartfast Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:51am |
Michelle Malkin has her typical cutting analysis...
“You lost,” Sen. Schumer sneered. Besides, he taunted, the “American people really don’t care” about all those “little tiny, yes, porky amendments” that the “chattering classes” have exposed...Sixteen seconds packed with trademark liberal contempt, self-delusion, and oily arrogance.
Easy to claim the American people “don’t care” when your voicemail and e-mailboxes are clogged with messages that will never be heard or read before the next rush to judgment takes place.
(Check the video.)
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:56am |
re: #7 Charles
Still has to pass the House. Which it will.
(True story) When I was in 1st grade, I swallowed a nickel. This was in the late 40s. It was a fortune to a kid. My mother explained to her disconsolate son that it would come out eventually. She was right. It passed.
/didn't realize until now that my mother was a savvy political commentator
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:03am |
re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Everyone you know or will know for the rest of your life was just sold out and placed in debt by these cocksuckers
Well it will be nice to have company I guess?
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ThinkRight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:03am |
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Adrenalyn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:06am |
re: #29 Charles
The Dow is dropping. Now at 7993.
I sure hope you don't expect anyone to ding you up for this
and I sure can't ding you down for it
all I can say is @#$%&&* !
we're doomed, in other words
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Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:09am |
re: #29 Charles
The Dow is dropping. Now at 7993.
I don't see a bottom. This is really going to be bad.
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:12am |
re: #37 wiffersnapper
so because 3 repubs voted for it it becomes bipartisan?
If it were up to me, they would be ejected from the Party.
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Picayune Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:18am |
O - "you are meddling with the Forces of the Universe"! - Network.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:26am |
Welcome to the 1970's
Welcome Back, Carter.
Damnation, here we go again
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:55am |
re: #36 Tigger2005
Look on the bright side, what's-her-name won't have to work or pay her house or car payment anymore.
Nor should we... F-them.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:03am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:05am |
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LGoPs Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:07am |
Hey, I've got an idea. We can send out best and brightest over to Russia to learn how to be good little apparatchiks from the real masters.
/
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:17am |
Geittner gave the press an "overview", but no details. It's a formula for future uncertainty, arbitrary government decisions, and continuing economic contraction going forward.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:46am |
re: #45 gmsc
Here's the chart of Dow for today, for those who want to keep watch.
Jeez! Looks like one of those maps of the continental shelf, like when we were in elementary school and they still taught stuff.
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:58am |
re: #50 Ehlobuddy
Specter has a recurrence of his cancer, and probably won't be running for re-election.
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phoenixgirl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:26am |
when will these idiots get that if there is no money to pay for something.....you don't get to buy it?
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thefallingman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:47am |
A political cartoonist back home has this summed up about right.
Scott Stantis
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Dave the..... Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:48am |
NRO asks two questions (for Obama).
What do we do if the Japanese and Chinese stop buying all of our debt?
What is your exit strategy for paying off this debt?
I have a quiestion. The liberal buzzword for the past 5 years have been "organic". So I ask, how is borrowing money to create a minimal artifical stimulas, organic?
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:49am |
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IslandLibertarian Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:54am |
SOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
PIG-PIG-PIG-PIG-PIG!
SOOOOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEE!
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:59am |
re: #66 buzzsawmonkey
Hell, I figured on working until I dropped dead anyway. And if not, dying in the street like a dog.
You won't have to die in the street; they'll take you to the soylent green factory first.
"I'm not dead yet!"
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VioletTiger Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:00am |
Oh crap! 3 morons sold us down the river. I hope they lose as much sleep as the rest of us.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:05am |
re: #44 tfc3rid
Last chance... If the GOP is invited to the negotiating table...
Oh and don't forget Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins... They made this happen... Flood their phone lines.
I hope the fuckwits at the RSCC who supported Snarlin' Arlen over Pat Toomey are happy now.
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jamgarr Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:13am |
re: #30 Picayune
Can we all start singing "Happy Days Are Here Again" now, or do we really have to wait for the House to rubber-stamp this Document of Doom?
More likely: "Buddy, can you spare a dime?"
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ThinkRight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:29am |
The lottery will be a better retirement plan for the next 4 years
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:35am |
re: #7 Charles
Still has to pass the House. Which it will.
It's going to go to a conference committee, which will then add billions back to the bill so as to ensure passage when Congress again votes.
It will get signed by Obama, and the final tally will exceed the $800+ billion now included (no one really knows the true cost, but it will exceed $1 trillion when factoring in interest and debt costs going forward.
They've raided the treasury and handed the keys to the kids.
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:41am |
re: #37 wiffersnapper
3 Republicans out of 435 members does not "bipartisan" make.
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:43am |
re: #66 buzzsawmonkey
Hell, I figured on working until I dropped dead anyway. And if not, dying in the street like a dog.
Thanks to the National Ponzi Scheme, I figure I'll never see a dime of Social Security. I'll consider myself lucky if I can die working at this point.
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BingoBunny Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:47am |
Have they added the house bill and senate bill together for the mother of all stimulus bills yet.. 1.65 trillion $ and counting.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:47am |
re: #68 quickjustice
Specter has a recurrence of his cancer, and probably won't be running for re-election.
This is one helluva parting gift for his constituents.
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SummerSong Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:54am |
It passes and the market dives 300 points.
It is what it is...
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:06am |
re: #85 lawhawk
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Senate has to vote on the combined package too?
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:10am |
re: #68 quickjustice
Specter has a recurrence of his cancer, and probably won't be running for re-election.
He won't let a little thing like dying stand in the way of his ego.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:26am |
Fast-track to 3rd world status is what 69 million Americans wanted, apparently.
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ThinkRight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:33am |
re: #77 VioletTiger
Oh crap! 3 morons sold us down the river. I hope they lose as much sleep as the rest of us.
They will not lose sleep
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:36am |
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:37am |
re: #86 quickjustice
3 Republicans out of 435 members does not "bipartisan" make.
The Senate only has 100 members.
Your point is still valid, however.
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:01am |
And here's part of what we can now expect:
Costly bank rescue plan aims to increase trust
From the article:
Access to government resources is a privilege not a right and comes with tough new conditions and responsibilities. We need to earn the public’s trust that those who were not responsible for this crisis aren’t bearing a bigger burden than those who were.
Translation: We help you, we own you.
And:
To increase transparency and accountability to protect taxpayers, Treasury will:
- launch a new website, FinancialStability.gov, to detail where federal funds are going and whether they are succeeding in stabilizing the financial system and promoting new lending, including posting all contracts on the Internet.
- require banks to show how government assistance will expand lending and how they intend to use taxpayer dollars.
- Restrict dividends, stock repurchases and acquisitions to provide assurance that all taxpayer money will go to promote lending until that money is paid back.
- Limit executive compensation, restrict golden parachutes and require disclosure of luxury spending provisions so the public can hold them accountable.
- Prohibit political influence in investment decisions by restricting contact with lobbyists.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:07am |
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:09am |
re: #98 gmsc
The Senate only has 100 members.
Your point is still valid, however.
It's not just the Senate the poster means.
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formercorpsman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:16am |
re: #82 Ehlobuddy
Listen, I am one of his constiuents in PA.
I am furious he did this.
But that comment is beyond the pale.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:17am |
re: #91 tfc3rid
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Senate has to vote on the combined package too?
House you mean.
Maybe the Dow dropping like a stone will scare them.
But probably not.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:28am |
Stop using credit cards... Pay off your debts. Save your $$... Never take a loan again, except for a home... Pay everything off as fast as possible... Invest in something high growth...
Create your own wealth... F the government.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:28am |
re: #44 tfc3rid
Last chance... If the GOP is invited to the negotiating table...
Oh and don't forget Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins... They made this happen... Flood their phone lines.
I'm planning on sending each of them a letter thanking them from the bottom of my heart for ruining my future.
I'm 18. I'll have to pay for this behemoth for the rest of my life.
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phoenixgirl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:40am |
re: #68 quickjustice
Specter has a recurrence of his cancer, and probably won't be running for re-election.
i'm sorry his cancer is back, i'm can only hope that if he runs again he gets soundly defeated in the primary ...... why he was continuously voted into office is beyond me..... he is one of the many "r's" that should be kicked out of the party and stripped of all committee positions
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:46am |
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pat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:56am |
Corrupt as well as stupid. Wonderful combination.
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:01am |
re: #81 Shakey Jakey
I heard Cornyn, chairman of RSCC, speak last night. He was asked about whether the RSCC would support Specter's re-election, and said, "Let's see if he announces for re-election first."
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Ehlobuddy Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:02am |
So, these Senators represent their constituency, right? I can't fathom this. This is not real, right? Tell me I'm on The Onion right now.
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:03am |
re: #102 capitalist piglet
It's not just the Senate the poster means.
Oh, if they meant the combined House and Senate, then it's 536 people.
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SalsaNChips Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:15am |
Stock up on MRE’s, canned goods, ammo and gold coinage. Seriously.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:16am |
How long have they been pushing mass transit?
Portland's Trimet called me to ask how often I take single-person trips?
I have five children under the age of 13...
Hold on, break down, hold on to your cap, dude. Get a grip. Get help.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:18am |
re: #94 FurryOldGuyJeans
Fast-track to 3rd world status is what 69 million Americans wanted, apparently.
69 Million is only 23% of the population... NOT a large percentage...
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:26am |
Me? Well, I always kinda figured things would turn for the worse - I just didn't think it would be so soon, is all.
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Dave the..... Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:34am |
I heard Susan Collins on the radio yesterday. She didn't really seem to grasp economic principles. Very simplistic views.
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:47am |
re: #107 tfc3rid
Stop using credit cards... Pay off your debts. Save your $$... Never take a loan again, except for a home... Pay everything off as fast as possible... Invest in something high growth...
Create your own wealth... F the government.
Working on that now.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:51am |
re: #74 Ojoe
Unfortunately it is not a joke.
Also, if I have no work, I can't pay taxes.
that's my strategy...no work record that is
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:51am |
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:54am |
re: #105 Tigger2005
House you mean.
Maybe the Dow dropping like a stone will scare them.
But probably not.
No it won't scare them
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jester6 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:57am |
There is a silver lining here folks. There is widespread support for the idea of a stimulus bill... but Obama cannot seem to lead his party to craft a bill to take advantage of this support.
The Republicans and Democrats all know nationalized healthcare is the Rubicon the country needs to cross if we are going to have a European style social democracy. There is nowhere near the support for nationalized healthcare when compared to the general idea of a stimulus deal.
This is good.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:57am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:04am |
re: #117 tfc3rid
69 Million is only 23% of the population... NOT a large percentage...
69 million is all it took to get O and the Dem Congress elected, though.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:08am |
re: #107 tfc3rid
Stop using credit cards... Pay off your debts. Save your $$... Never take a loan again, except for a home... Pay everything off as fast as possible... Invest in something high growth...
Create your own wealth... F the government.
A Big Amen to that !
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:08am |
re: #45 gmsc
The Dow dropping is the result of a double whammy - Senate passing Tarp, and Geithner pushing TARP 2, the wrath of insane economic policy.
And when the trillions thrown at everything in a shotgun approach does nothing to stabilize the economy, the Democrats answer will be to demand trillions more spent - with the same damned result, pushing us not only deeper into debt, but undermining the market economy.
The GOP answer is what? Three surrendered to the insane economic policies, because they think that the GOP can't spend enough money to compete?
Democrats answers to all problems is more government spending.
The GOP still isn't getting the message out that this is fiscally irresponsible and destructive to the long term wellbeing of the nation.
Democrats are demagogues throwing money all about, knowing that it will buy them votes.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:15am |
I'll let Howard Beale speak for me:
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Ehlobuddy Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:19am |
re: #104 formercorpsman
Listen, I am one of his constiuents in PA.
I am furious he did this.
But that comment is beyond the pale.
Kind of like his support of this bill.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:20am |
re: #114 gmsc
Oh, if they meant the combined House and Senate, then it's 536 people.
Sorry, you're right - I had to scroll back to see the number.
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:26am |
re: #121 Dave the.....
I heard Susan Collins on the radio yesterday. She didn't really seem to grasp economic principles. Very simplistic views.
She, and the rest of us, are about to get a valuable lesson in economic principles.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:28am |
re: #105 Tigger2005
House you mean.
Maybe the Dow dropping like a stone will scare them.
But probably not.
No, I mean the Senate... They and the House are going to committee to table a revised bill... Isn't the Senate required to vote on a revised Joint resultion?
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:56am |
re: #136 gmsc
She, and the rest of us, are about to get a
valuablecostly lesson in economic principles.
Edited for clarity.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:04am |
re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It's great advice not only for tough times. We'd all be better off if people lived like that when times are good too.
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Shakey Jakey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:10am |
re: #112 quickjustice
He was on the radio [I believe it was the beginning of this week or the end of last-WHO 580 Harrisburg] and said that he plans to run for reelection again.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:15am |
OK, people. I know this is bad, but let's step back from the ledges. This is still the United States of America. We still have the right to vote these people out and fix this thing, at least in the long term. I know that we will be paying for this for a long time, but there will be an end to it. As I see it, the Dem's just signed their own eviction papers. There is no way that this will turn out well for them. 2 years from now the turn over will begin, and in 4 years I believe it will be complete.
We need to look to the future and guard against further incursions against our rights. This battle may be lost, but the war continues, and likely will never end. We must always stay focused on the next win and not dwell on the losses.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:31am |
re: #91 tfc3rid
It does. And I expect that it will.
They have the votes to make it happen. Passage of this offal porkfest will happen regardless of what the GOP does.
Thanks to everyone who decided to "punish" the GOP over the past two electoral cycles, the Treasury is being raided like never before and there's not a thing anyone can do to stop it.
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:32am |
re: #107 tfc3rid
Stop using credit cards... Pay off your debts. Save your $$... Never take a loan again, except for a home... Pay everything off as fast as possible... Invest in something high growth...
Create your own wealth... F the government.
Never owned a credit card, and my home is paid for. Not only do I not get loans, but I have people who owe me back for loans.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:38am |
7954 - it's at 7954 as of just a moment ago.
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jester6 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:48am |
re: #84 ThinkRight
The lottery will be a better retirement plan for the next 4 years
If you are going to build your retirement in dollar denominated assets the lottery will be a better retirement plan forever.
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:16am |
Obama is going to be doing some healing after the townhall. People can line up and he will place hands on their body to heal them and make them receive money from the guvment.
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formercorpsman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:21am |
re: #134 Ehlobuddy
Listen, we agree on that. I would never, ever pray anyone gets cancer, (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, if that was not what you meant) because those inferences are of Kos, or HP dreams.
Leave the ugly stuff to the inmates.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:26am |
re: #144 Guanxi88
7954 - it's at 7954 as of just a moment ago.
I am slightly surprised it is taking so long to drop.
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ThinkRight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:28am |
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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:33am |
History shows again and again
How nature points out the folly of Dems...
PORKZILLA!
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:13:16am |
re: #151 FurryOldGuyJeans
I am slightly surprised it is taking so long to drop.
Well, I imagine that there's just a lot of traffic on the servers just now, although part of it could be the traders are drinking their blues away and haven't returned to the pit yet.
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The Optimist Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:13:27am |
Dang. I hope Oprah has room for everyone at her house.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:13:30am |
re: #126 jester6
There is a silver lining here folks. There is widespread support for the idea of a stimulus bill... but Obama cannot seem to lead his party to craft a bill to take advantage of this support.
What they've done is to convince a sizable portion of the voters (but by no means a majority) that this crap sandwich is a stimulus bill. Even if it were a stimulus bill, it would be worthless, because you CANNOT spend your way out of a recession. So it's just stupid piled on stupid.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:13:55am |
re: #155 Venezuela lover
Dang. I hope Oprah has room for everyone at her house.
Nah, the place is barely large enough for her ego.
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:01am |
re: #148 tfc3rid
Same here... I'm 4 months away...
50% gone by the end of the month, 25% gone when I get my taxes finished, loose change to go
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:01am |
The Senate has passed the largest spending bill in history.
Give'em a week or two - when some figure out the check is not in the mail and the real bitch'in begins.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:07am |
re: #133 doppelganglander
I'll let Howard Beale speak for me:
[Video]
I didn't even click on the link; the clip is obvious.
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thefallingman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:08am |
Once again, I'm going to quote Primus, whose chorus to "Pork Soda" I think nicely sums up the legislative branch's view of this:
Grab yourself a can of pork soda
You'll be feeling just fine
Ain't nothin' quite like sittin' 'round the house
Swillin' down them Cans of swine
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:16am |
From Michelle Malkin via Twitter...
"Savior-based economy moment: Ft. Myers woman just begged Obama to give her a home, kitchen, and bathrm. "
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:27am |
re: #155 Venezuela lover
Dang. I hope Oprah has room for everyone at her house.
Is she still on a some wacky diet or does she have some real food in her house?
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Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:31am |
Blow, wind! come, wrack!
At least we'll die with harness on our back.
Macbeth, scene v
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Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:33am |
I received this in an email this morning - what perfect timing:
This year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment. This is a very exciting new program that I will explain using the Q
and A format:
Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A. It is money that the Federal government will send
to taxpayers in an attempt to boost our economy .
Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.
Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. Only a smidgen.
Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to
purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.
Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China?
A. Shut up.
Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the US economy by spending your stimulus check wisely:
If you spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
If you spend it on gasoline, it will go to the oil rich countries... not us.
If you purchase a computer, it will go to India .
If you purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala (unless you buy organic).
If you buy a car, it will go to Japan.
If you purchase useless crap, it will go to Taiwan.
And none of it will help the American economy.
We need to keep that money here in America . You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball
games, or spending it on beer (domestic ONLY) or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US.
.
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Bloodnok Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:39am |
re: #151 FurryOldGuyJeans
I am slightly surprised it is taking so long to drop.
I was watching at a Bloomberg terminal for a few minutes. For awhile it was going down almost a point per second.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:40am |
re: #141 Ford_Prefect
We need to look to the future and guard against further incursions against our rights. This battle may be lost, but the war continues, and likely will never end. We must always stay focused on the next win and not dwell on the losses.
There's no question a pep talk is needed, but if we couldn't stop something the majority of Americans did not want, how do you propose we "guard against further incursions against our rights"?
They're drunk with power, and I honestly don't think we have two years to waste passively watching them use it. I don't have the answer, but things are moving very quickly, and they are doing that for a reason.
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:45am |
re: #151 FurryOldGuyJeans
I am slightly surprised it is taking so long to drop.
When it nears or drops below 8,000 it tends to bring out the bargain hunters. Of course, these stocks merely seem undervalued today. After the effects of Porkulus kick in, 8,000 may be twice what the DJIA is worth.
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:48am |
re: #141 Ford_Prefect
Sorry, but I must have time to pass thru the seven (7) stages of grief:
- Shock or Disbelief
- Denial
- Anger
- Bargaining
- Guilt
- Depression
- Acceptance and Hope
I look forward to moving into the Anger phase
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:56am |
re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
50% gone by the end of the month, 25% gone when I get my taxes finished, loose change to go
I have $25K to go... Be done by June... Painful right now but it will be wroth it in the long run.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:15:16am |
re: #139 Killgore Trout
It's great advice not only for tough times. We'd all be better off if people lived like that when times are good too.
I've been a Kiplinger Report nut for 35yrs
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bulwrk Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:15:20am |
re: #141 Ford_Prefect
I know this is bad, but let's step back from the ledges. This is still the United States of America. We still have the right to vote these people out and fix this thing,
You think so,give the dems a couple of years to gerrymander congressional districts and maybe not.
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unreconstructed rebel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:15:24am |
re: #75 IslandLibertarian
SOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
PIG-PIG-PIG-PIG-PIG!
SOOOOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEE!
I hope you aren't meaning that in a Deliverance sense. Or are you?
/Why not? We're fucked.
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mingjaiyo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:15:52am |
I now have a very queesy feeling in my gut. I fear that history will come to see 11 February 2009 as the day The United States Of America, as it was known from the day of it's birth as a nation until today, has ceased to exist. For 8 years I tolerated the screaming voices on the Left bemoaning Bush's supposed "shredding of the Constitution". This very day I have witnessed that document not being shredded,but ignored and over-ridden roughshod by idealogical demogogues. I have at this moment the greatest fear for the continuance of my country that I have ever known. I can easily envision the middle to later chapters presented in "Atlas Shrugged" becoming reality,quite possibly within the next 4 to 8 years. Many on this page,including myself,at one time took an oath to "uphold and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic the Constitution of The United States". I wonder how anyone wearing "the uniform" today or who wore it in the past must feel about that oathtaking at this time. My oath has been violated by those in the government of my country that also swore to protect and defend,and yet I have no voice...no voice that could get me deleted or banned from Lizardom for things I could say or advocate here,or potentially land me in jail or worse for potential actions I could take. As a student of history, today I am truly saddened by that which has passed in my country today.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:13am |
re: #167 Bloodnok
I was watching at a Bloomberg terminal for a few minutes. For awhile it was going down almost a point per second.
That is still slow compared to other days recently past when 10 points every 30 seconds seemed to have been the norm.
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:15am |
re: #163 tfc3rid
From Michelle Malkin via Twitter...
"Savior-based economy moment: Ft. Myers woman just begged Obama to give her a home, kitchen, and bathrm. "
Was it Peggy the Moocher?
She does live in Sarasota....
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Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:21am |
re: #50 Ehlobuddy
The broads in Maine need to go
That was uncalled for. Use their names, rip them up personally.....all fair. But sexists generalizations do not help the debate around here.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:46am |
re: #157 doppelganglander
What they've done is to convince a sizable portion of the voters (but by no means a majority) that this crap sandwich is a stimulus bill. Even if it were a stimulus bill, it would be worthless, because you CANNOT spend your way out of a recession. So it's just stupid piled on stupid.
Here's a link to an interesting article at Commentary
Alas, the questions raised by a proposed stimulus—whether to apply it, what sort it should be, how much it should cost, and when it should begin and end—are far trickier to answer than problems involving dead batteries. And, remarkably enough, history and economic research offer no conclusive answers. The recession that began in 2008 could turn out to be the worst slowdown since the Great Depression of the 1930’s. For three-quarters of a century, economists have been studying it diligently. And even now they cannot come to a definitive conclusion about the cause of that depression, the reasons for its severity and duration, or what cured it. In an introduction to a book of essays on the Great Depression he compiled in 2000, Ben S. Bernanke, then a Princeton professor and now chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, wrote, “Finding an explanation for the worldwide economic collapse of the 1930’s remains a fascinating intellectual challenge.”
Today, of course, the challenge is more than intellectual.
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Logic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:17:03am |
re: #30 Picayune
Can we all start singing "Happy Days Are Here Again" now, or do we really have to wait for the House to rubber-stamp this Document of Doom?
To make it truly appropriate, it should be sung in a minor key at a dirge temp.
It was inevitable that this monstrosity would pass - I'm just glad it didn't go through on Ronald Reagan's birthday (Feb. 6th).
To paraphrase Bette Davis, fasten your seatbelts - it's going to be a bumpy, downhill ride!
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Athos Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:17:18am |
re: #94 FurryOldGuyJeans
Fast-track to 3rd world status is what 69 million Americans wanted, apparently.
Yeah, but the 3rd world countries always get so much free money, aid, and assistance.
The House will pass this steaming pile of bill. It will only pass because of the 3 moronic RINO's. Specter will face a very strong Republican challenge if he decides to run in 2010, but ultimately, these 3 will own this POS just as the Progressives and Messiah will own it. The RNC had better not provide one red cent to any of these 3 twits if they want to see any money from me....or I hope most of the base. Steele's actions on this will define the future of the Republican party.
Expect a call in 2011, after the Bush tax cuts expire, for massive tax increases to 'pay off the debt' that this bill creates. That is ultimately the goal of the left here. Thanks to these nitwits, they have slip streamed major fundamental change and government control in the guise of a stimulus. I can envision 60-70% as a max tax rate to fufill the socialistic goals of Reid, Pelosi, and Obama.
Despite the One's rhetoric, this isn't the worse economic conditions since the Great Depression. It isn't even worse than the Carter created economic crisis of 1979-81. But this bill ensures that it will be.
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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:17:34am |
re: #166 Cygnus
We need to keep that money here in America . You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball
games, or spending it on beer (domestic ONLY) or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US.
Forget the beer (well, maybe not...) baseball games, tatoos and yardsales and send them a double message by buying an American made firearm and ammunition.
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thefallingman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:17:54am |
re: #176 buzzsawmonkey
Don't forget the sex workers, operating at a location near you!
Hmmmm...that would explain the Pelosi VD education section...
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unreconstructed rebel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:18:00am |
I wonder what my kids' silly generation is going to think when this shit gets monetized.
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Bloodnok Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:18:11am |
re: #177 FurryOldGuyJeans
That is still slow compared to other days recently past when 10 points every 30 seconds seemed to have been the norm.
At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:18:25am |
re: #141 Ford_Prefect
That's true, but people have real lives they have to live regardless of what's going on. I am in the midst of paying down a sizable debt, but my husband just got laid off. I just made the last tuition payment for my older daughter, but my younger daughter is a junior in high school. Unless some of that spendulus is coming her way, I am not going to be able to provide the education she wants and deserves. I'm looking forward to 2010, but I've got to deal with what's happening now.
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formercorpsman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:18:25am |
re: #181 Ehlobuddy
Hey, fair enough. I said my peace, you said yours.
Like I mentioned, I think hysterics are better suited for people trying to sell snake oil, but opine as you see fit.
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acwgusa Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:18:27am |
Wow! Listen to that wooshing soud of America going down the toilet!
/I really, really wish this was sarcasm....
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:04am |
re: #163 tfc3rid
From Michelle Malkin via Twitter...
"Savior-based economy moment: Ft. Myers woman just begged Obama to give her a home, kitchen, and bathrm. "
re: #178 loppyd
Was it Peggy the Moocher?
She does live in Sarasota....
Or, it could've been this woman (listen all the way to the end):
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:05am |
re: #189 Bloodnok
At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.
It'll be on the dollar menu soon...
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:06am |
20:16 Voter turnout as of 8 P.M. stands at 60% (Haaretz)
better than us here in the USA
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:07am |
re: #163 tfc3rid
From Michelle Malkin via Twitter...
"Savior-based economy moment: Ft. Myers woman just begged Obama to give her a home, kitchen, and bathrm. "
What twitter account do I look for?
"Michelle Malkin"?
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:19am |
re: #171 tfc3rid
I have $25K to go... Be done by June... Painful right now but it will be wroth it in the long run.
sheesh, I felt bad about $9.5k which is mostly medical expenses.
Got a kick in the nuts in December when I realized the $100 savings bonds I was getting in the USMC, I scheduled as bi-monthly, not monthly, so my imagined 10k turned into 5k. I started them in '93 and had them go to a safety deposit box and was just letting them sit there.
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phoenixgirl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:25am |
re: #188 unreconstructed rebel
I wonder what my kids' silly generation is going to think when this shit gets monetized.
your kids will be indoctrinated to believe what ever obama wants them to believe
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pegcity Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:33am |
Lisa; Didn't you wonder why you were getting checks for doing nothing?
Grampa: I figured, 'cuz the Democrats were in power again.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:50am |
re: #189 Bloodnok
At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.
When it hits $0.45 is when I start the celebration.
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thefallingman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:50am |
re: #189 Bloodnok
At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.
Soon, the stocks will join the paper itself as only good for birdcage lining.
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:56am |
So Spector still voted for this bill after being made aware of the stealth nationalization of health care stuffed into it?
I wonder if he realizes that the treatment he received for his cancer probably would not be approved by the government under this plan. Old people don't need chemo!
/
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Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:56am |
re: #77 VioletTiger
Oh crap! 3 morons sold us down the river. I hope they lose as much sleep as the rest of us.
We should give them those 3 gold balls from the White House. One each, since they obviously don't have any.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:00am |
re: #181 Ehlobuddy
You're still acting like a KosKid or HuffPo reader....piss off!
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formercorpsman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:14am |
re: #199 pegcity
My father and I laughed at that so hard, years ago when we saw it.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:26am |
re: #184 Athos
O-Fraud is actively creating the wrost economic conditions since the Great Depression... It's all about control and dependency...
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:50am |
re: #198 phoenixgirl
your kids will be indoctrinated to believe what ever obama wants them to believe
exactly....they will never know anything but socialism...too bad
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:54am |
re: #181 Ehlobuddy
I couldn't, in all conscience, wish anything like that upon anyone.
Even if the person is my worst enemy.
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jcbunga Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:58am |
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution
which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence,the money of their constituents."
James Madison
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:08am |
The Redistribution of Wealth & War on the Middle Class is in full swing.
I know that Ayn Rand plays to mixe reviews on LGF, but come on , doesn't this remind you some of Atlas Shrugged?
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:09am |
Just an optimistic thought:
It appears, if I understand correctly, that most of the money won't be spent until two or more years down the line.
Okay, if that's true, we have elections in 2010. Throw out the House, and any Senator running for re-election (that voted for this).
Pass any needed legislation to minimize the damage.
(And yes, I believe in pixies too.)
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Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:12am |
Ehlobuddy: continue posting comments like that and you're going to lose your account.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:14am |
I've been wondering is they are going to put the Glass Steagle Act back in place....
10 dirty tricks to jump-start a new bull, fast!
How Wall Street lobbyists, PR hot shots will limit reform, brainwash America
No Glass-Steagall revival
From 1933 until 1999 the Glass-Steagall Act separated banking to avoid conflicts of interest: Investment banks are high-risk gamblers playing with other people's money, raising capital, trading, crafting merger deals and earning commissions. Commercial bankers have a fiduciary responsibility to conserve capital and minimize depositors' risk; they earn salaries. In 1999 Congress tore down that wall.
Citigroup merged the two, became a financial supermarket, and has since lost 90% of its stock value, contributing to the meltdown. Still, last year Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs became bank holding companies to engage in both businesses and get free TARP money. Reviving Glass-Steagall would hurt them, and delay a new bull.
The repeal of Glass Steagle was a very direct cause of the current crisis and there are no plans to bring it back. There's a lot of partisan bitching and complaining but this is a very real problem.
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Picayune Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:16am |
re: #79 jamgarr
Yep, but more likely, "can you spare me $ 10,000.?"
I was so hyped by the "news", that I forgot my / tag. Pardon me.
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jester6 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:18am |
re: #185 Colonel Panik
Forget the beer (well, maybe not...) baseball games, tatoos and yardsales and send them a double message by buying an American made firearm and ammunition.
Getting my rifle this weekend. Have plenty of ammo already.
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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:41am |
Black reporters unhappy with Obama
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
Live by the racial card, die by the racial card
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unreconstructed rebel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:48am |
re: #202 loppyd
Old people don't need chemo!
And that is the dirty little secret about socialized medicine.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:48am |
re: #212 opnion
The Redistribution of Wealth & War on the Middle Class is in full swing.
I know that Ayn Rand plays to mixe reviews on LGF, but come on , doesn't this remind you some of Atlas Shrugged?
100%
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ThinkRight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:55am |
Intelligent design to be topic at Vatican meeting
VATICAN CITY (AP) - The Vatican will include discussion of intelligent design in a conference marking the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin's "On the Origin of Species," officials said Tuesday.
The announcement reverses a decision to exclude such discussion but officials said intelligent design would be treated only as a cultural phenomenon—not as science or theology.
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:07am |
re: #189 Bloodnok
At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.
NYT lost $35 million of market value today - so far.
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Bloodnok Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:11am |
re: #200 FurryOldGuyJeans
When it hits $0.45 is when I start the celebration.
Hey, small victories! /
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:13am |
re: #134 Ehlobuddy
Kind of like his support of this bill.
I know you're pissed off (so am I), but it's not worth getting the stick over.
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formercorpsman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:14am |
re: #202 loppyd
It would not affect them.
There is a reason why there are no other patients scheduled when someone Mikulski gets an ingrown toenail, and has to be seen in Bethesda right away.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:18am |
re: #168 capitalist piglet
There's no question a pep talk is needed, but if we couldn't stop something the majority of Americans did not want, how do you propose we "guard against further incursions against our rights"?
They're drunk with power, and I honestly don't think we have two years to waste passively watching them use it. I don't have the answer, but things are moving very quickly, and they are doing that for a reason.
Who said anything about being passive or waiting two years. We need to keep communicating with our elected officials. We need to keep educating the people around us. We need to keep writing in to our local papers and expressing our opinions loudly. Will we always be heard? No. But we need to keep doing it anyway. Places like this are a great place to get information that can be passed along to friends, family, Senators, Representatives, your kids teachers and anyone else you can think of. Don't let Obama succeed in his attempt to demoralize us. It is only then that we lose the war.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:30am |
re: #182 Leonidas Hoplite
Thanks for the link. I will read it as soon as I get a chance.
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Ehlobuddy Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:30am |
re: #210 MrSilverDragon
you are a better man than me. And, by the way, they are your worst enemies.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:43am |
re: #207 Ehlobuddy
Holy PC Police. Go hug a tree. They have done nothing to earn my respect. They are BROADS. Specter is a DOUCHE. There, now go fill or a form, talk to your therapist, whatever.
3mo and you own the room?.....you're laughable at best
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:48am |
re: #202 loppyd
So Spector still voted for this bill after being made aware of the stealth nationalization of health care stuffed into it?
I wonder if he realizes that the treatment he received for his cancer probably would not be approved by the government under this plan. Old people don't need chemo!
/
So did Tester even though he said he would not....
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:48am |
re: #207 Ehlobuddy
Dude, it's one thing to disagree with someone based on their actions, but wholly another to wish bodily harm or death on them. That shit don't fly around here, so I'd temper it if you don't wanna get whacked by Stinky.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:53am |
re: #188 unreconstructed rebel
I wonder what my kids' silly generation is going to think when this shit gets monetized.
That's easy. They'll think Bush was the worst president evah.
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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:01am |
With further apologies to Blue Oyster Cult..
Helpless people begin to pray
As it rips the guts out of their 401k...
PORKZILLA!
ACORN gathers at the trough to feed
As all your investments begin to bleed...
PORKZILLA!
Oh, no
This bill has got to go!
No, No, PORKZILLA!
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Born_to_lose Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:07am |
Had to hold back the anxiety induced, acid ladden, re-visit with lunch that almost just happened all over my key board. This is so bad. So, so so bad.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:19am |
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:21am |
re: #226 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
Dow down 364 now.
Holy crap! Barry needs to get on the phone and let these guys know they need to turn it around right now! Their obstructionist behavior and attempts to sabotage his presidency cannot go unpunished forever.
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Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:48am |
re: #207 Ehlobuddy
Holy PC Police. Go hug a tree. They have done nothing to earn my respect. They are BROADS. Specter is a DOUCHE. There, now go fill or a form, talk to your therapist, whatever.
I am a woodworker....saw trees up. So fuck off loser.
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:50am |
re: #186 efuseakay
Down over 300 points now.
I was just at Staples and while waiting for the dude to check availability of something at another store I walked over to a bank of computers and signed onto the whole row and pulled up the Drudge Report with the headline THANKS TIM with a nice chart of the Dow plunging.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Athos Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:57am |
re: #109 phoenixgirl
I agree with you, but unfortunately, the RNC and leadership are too weak to take such a stand. They are, apparently afraid of the PR backlash that would result. Of course, the Dems don't have an issue with that. In Excremento, a Democratic Assemblyperson voted against a Democratic sponsored budget bill that dramatically hiked taxes stating that the predominately farming community she represented would not accept this and that the bill excluded a water amendment that she tried to push to assist those she represented. In punishment, the Dem leadership kicked her out of her office in the State Capital and moved it to an annex across the street - the only member of the Assembly or Senate who didn't have an office in the Capital building.
There was no outcry.
Frankly, if I were of the Republican leadership, I would invite these 3 to become Democrats as they would no longer be welcome in the Republican caucus. They should lose all seniority and committee positions as well as any RNC funds or assistance. Granted, the point is that these 3 do not remove the Dem ownership of the steaming pile of 'stimulus' but there has to be repercussions.
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:22am |
re: #140 Shakey Jakey
I don't wish illness upon anyone, but Specter's condition may change his mind about running for re-election.
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unreconstructed rebel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:37am |
re: #189 Bloodnok
At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.
Anything that fucks Carlos Slim is fine with me.
/So, how do we get at George Soros?
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Wyatt Earp Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:53am |
re: #241 Guanxi88
Holy crap! Barry needs to get on the phone and let these guys know they need to turn it around right now! Their obstructionist behavior and attempts to sabotage his presidency cannot go unpunished forever.
They need to keep this knucklehead away from the damned television! He's a Dow killer
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ThinkRight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:57am |
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Bloodnok Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:06am |
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jcbunga Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:18am |
Sadly, we're gonna need it to implode before we can fix it.
There are moments in history when disaster strikes and teaches a lesson. The RMS Titanic, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, Pelosi's plastic surgery, and now this.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:28am |
re: #190 doppelganglander
I understand that. We all are dealing with this economic situation as it has hit us. My point is simply that this country is not dead, as some have stated, and won't be as long as we keep fighting.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:37am |
re: #238 Colonel Panik
With further apologies to Blue Oyster Cult..
Helpless people begin to pray
As it rips the guts out of their 401k...
PORKZILLA!ACORN gathers at the trough to feed
As all your investments begin to bleed...
PORKZILLA!Oh, no
This bill has got to go!
No, No, PORKZILLA!
Can I call Obama Johnny Scrappleseed ?
Seems accurate.
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bolivar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:43am |
Dos is at 7906 at 1:23 EST. This is getting real good - who is making the kettle corn? I got the soda and Ward Cleaver has the board games and we can have a regular good ol time. down way on dooowwwnn way way on down.......
way on down
/channeling Elvis
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:44am |
re: #249 Wyatt Earp
They need to keep this knucklehead away from the damned television! He's a Dow killer
I don't know - if I were a big wheeler-dealer, I'd want eyes on him at all times - no telling what he'd get up to if he thought nobody was watching.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:48am |
re: #246 bellamags
Unlikely but it could lose 80%-90% of its value from the high. The Dow didn't bottom until 1931 or 1932
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Bloodnok Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:55am |
re: #248 unreconstructed rebel
Anything that fucks Carlos Slim is fine with me.
/So, how do we get at George Soros?
A strong dollar f**ks George Soros.
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unreconstructed rebel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:56am |
re: #244 Athos
Frankly, if I were of the Republican leadership, I would invite these 3 to become Democrats as they would no longer be welcome in the Republican caucus. They should lose all seniority and committee positions as well as any RNC funds or assistance. Granted, the point is that these 3 do not remove the Dem ownership of the steaming pile of 'stimulus' but there has to be repercussions.
Works for me.
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:05am |
re: #248 unreconstructed rebel
Anything that fucks Carlos Slim is fine with me.
His family name is Salim. Not sure why they changed it.
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:08am |
re: #175 mingjaiyo
Cheer up! We survived the Depression, which was far worse. The only way we lose is by giving up.
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NYCHardhat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:12am |
re: #218 Nevergiveup
Black reporters unhappy with Obama
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
Live by the racial card, die by the racial card
I can never make black people happy.
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Ehlobuddy Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:20am |
re: #234 albusteve
Who said anything about owning the room? I love people who throw the good old "I've been here longer than you" line out there in threads. I'm real impressed with your longevity. Free cookies in the lunch room.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:20am |
re: #247 quickjustice
I don't wish illness upon anyone, but Specter's condition may change his mind about running for re-election.
And since he's a Senator, he probably doesn't have to worry about the stealth health care rationing provisions of the Porkulus. Only us rabble do.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:22am |
tick tick tick tick tick
/timebomb on the thread, waiting to go off
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:34am |
It doesn't have to pass the House, it has to go to a House/Senate conference to "iron out" the differences between the bill the House passed and the bill the Senate Passed.
Let us hope that the conference committee takes out the provisions that allow the Federal Government to overrule your decisions on your health care, seconded by your Doctor and agreed to by either your Health Insurer or Medicare, at a minimum.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:55am |
re: #202 loppyd
So Spector still voted for this bill after being made aware of the stealth nationalization of health care stuffed into it?
I wonder if he realizes that the treatment he received for his cancer probably would not be approved by the government under this plan. Old people don't need chemo!/
What does he care? He gets special super-deluxe congressional health care. Meanwhile, if we can't afford our COBRA payments, our coverage will lapse and we'll be paying out of pocket for my husband's and my chronic illnesses, with no assurance that we can ever get health insurance again. And if they do put socialized medicine in place, they'll probably decide we make too much to qualify.
Yeah, I'm in a crappy mood today.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:56am |
re: #245 Ehlobuddy
Dude, I am tired of taking this crap sitting down. We ALL need to reach a level of FURY. We can bitch and whine about it. One day we will have to DO something. I am already primed.
by wishing harm on others?....what a genius!
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nucular_option Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:02am |
The future currencies will be gold, lead, and brass. I'm a little short on all three.
Keep the money in the US buying Remington, Marlin, Savage, S&W, Colt, and others.
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Shakey Jakey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:08am |
re: #247 quickjustice
It may and I hope it does. He is getting worse as he gets older.This morning I heard a little blurb on the news where he said that he wishes the bill would have had hearings but he would vote for it anyway.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:16am |
re: #230 Ford_Prefect
Who said anything about being passive or waiting two years. We need to keep communicating with our elected officials. We need to keep educating the people around us. We need to keep writing in to our local papers and expressing our opinions loudly. Will we always be heard? No. But we need to keep doing it anyway. Places like this are a great place to get information that can be passed along to friends, family, Senators, Representatives, your kids teachers and anyone else you can think of. Don't let Obama succeed in his attempt to demoralize us. It is only then that we lose the war.
I'm saying it's going to take more than that. We're going to experience more days like today - many more - unless we find a way to communicate beyond what we've already done.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:17am |
I hear the whoosh of the stick.
/don't stand too close
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Yashmak Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:22am |
re: #173 bulwrk
I know this is bad, but let's step back from the ledges. This is still the United States of America. We still have the right to vote these people out and fix this thing,
You think so,give the dems a couple of years to gerrymander congressional districts and maybe not.
Worse yet, we won't see the effect of the debt this will generate until some time after the next election. . .perhaps not until 2-3 administrations from now. We can vote the folks responsible out of office, but the damage is now done. This money will be borrowed and spent by then, leaving future administrations (Republican or Democrat) to deal with the fallout.
All this, and we're only a couple of weeks in. It's going to be a long 4 years.
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jwb7605 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:23am |
re: #263 quickjustice
Cheer up! We survived the Depression, which was far worse. The only way we lose is by giving up.
upding.
There are way too many "it's all over but the shouting" sentiments here.
I've got stuff to do.
Later!
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:27am |
re: #228 formercorpsman
It would not affect them.
There is a reason why there are no other patients scheduled when someone Mikulski gets an ingrown toenail, and has to be seen in Bethesda right away.
So Teddy K won't have to pay cash for his cancer treatments? Because if he were just an average American he damn well skippy wouldn't be getting the treatment he is benefiting from.
How silly of me to think they would be put under the same scrutiny as the unwashed such.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:32am |
Does anyone know when this goes to the House?
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:47am |
re: #252 Charles
Note to Ehlobuddy: Calm down before you get carried out...there's room for you if you can discuss stuff rationally and without wishing bodily harm on someone, but not if you insist on going off the rails like a KosKid.
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thefallingman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:06am |
re: #267 Ward Cleaver
And since he's a Senator, he probably doesn't have to worry about the stealth health care rationing provisions of the Porkulus. Only us rabble do.
Some are more equal...
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Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:08am |
re: #266 Ehlobuddy
Who said anything about owning the room? I love people who throw the good old "I've been here longer than you" line out there in threads. I'm real impressed with your longevity. Free cookies in the lunch room.
Its not about length of time, it is about respect and also about having cognent arguments. You have neither.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:16am |
I am getting seriously annoyed with all the Global Warming falling here right now.
I. Hate. Snow. :%P%
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:33am |
re: #269 realwest
It doesn't have to pass the House, it has to go to a House/Senate conference to "iron out" the differences between the bill the House passed and the bill the Senate Passed.
Let us hope that the conference committee takes out the provisions that allow the Federal Government to overrule your decisions on your health care, seconded by your Doctor and agreed to by either your Health Insurer or Medicare, at a minimum.
The revised bill has to be voted on by both Houses again...
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:57am |
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:58am |
re: #228 formercorpsman
It would not affect them.
There is a reason why there are no other patients scheduled when someone Mikulski gets an ingrown toenail, and has to be seen in Bethesda right away.
Did you have to put that vision in my mind?
/somebody pass the brain bleach
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Wyatt Earp Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:00am |
re: #258 Guanxi88
I don't know - if I were a big wheeler-dealer, I'd want eyes on him at all times - no telling what he'd get up to if he thought nobody was watching.
We could plan our stock swaps by his TV appearances! When he goes before the camera, the Dow plummets.
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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:03am |
re: #284 FurryOldGuyJeans
I am getting seriously annoyed with all the Global Warming falling here right now.
I. Hate. Snow. :%P%
Upside is, the snow makes ManBearPig easier to track.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:03am |
re: #245 Ehlobuddy
Here are your options:
1. You can vote
2. You can write coherent, rational letters to newspapers, magazines and your elected officials
3. You can protest--within the legal bounds you have been given
4. You can wear a t-shirt or slap on a bumper sticker
5. You can annoy people at parties
6. You can post reasonable, rational comments here
7. You can volunteer for politically-oriented civic organizations
8. You can donate " " " "
9. You can run for office--but you'll have to be a little more rational if you really want to get elected
10. You can show up at your local government meetings, but be warned they'll want you to have a point, and at that level, they're more interested in getting the library a new scanner and keeping the streets clear of snow
I hope this helps you to channel your anger. We have a government which allows for citizen participation.
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Blue Falcon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:27am |
It might be a really good idea about now that if you have regular savings accounts to convert them into precious metals. I'm absolutely terrified what this is going to do for the country's credit rating and inflation.
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:29am |
NYT lost another $20 million in the last 15 minutes.
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Born_to_lose Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:29am |
re: #230 Ford_Prefect
... I live in Maryland. Writing to my elected official(s) is totally a waste of time. Now, informing those around me, that's a totally different tune, and one I intend on whistling ;o)
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:32am |
re: #269 realwest
It doesn't have to pass the House, it has to go to a House/Senate conference to "iron out" the differences between the bill the House passed and the bill the Senate Passed.
Let us hope that the conference committee takes out the provisions that allow the Federal Government to overrule your decisions on your health care, seconded by your Doctor and agreed to by either your Health Insurer or Medicare, at a minimum.
Aside from the obvious alarm we should feel at the prospect of the government deciding what treatment is necessary for American citizens Is anyone else talking about the blatant violation of privacy this is?
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Ehlobuddy Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:38am |
re: #283 Big Steve
I apologize for making this thread about me to some people. Let it go, children. There is work to do.
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BakaRanger Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:38am |
Soros looked over the financial landscape and realized that there were no more currencies to destabilize, and he wept.
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Athos Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:41am |
re: #266 Ehlobuddy
I guess you are about to learn the hard way what happens to 'nails' that stick up in the wrong place and in wrong way.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:42am |
re: #266 Ehlobuddy
Who said anything about owning the room? I love people who throw the good old "I've been here longer than you" line out there in threads. I'm real impressed with your longevity. Free cookies in the lunch room.
you are insulting other posters and the host....and further you dont know my history here...find some propriety
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NYCHardhat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:45am |
re: #291 EmmmieG
Here are your options:
1. You can vote
2. You can write coherent, rational letters to newspapers, magazines and your elected officials
3. You can protest--within the legal bounds you have been given
4. You can wear a t-shirt or slap on a bumper sticker
5. You can annoy people at parties
6. You can post reasonable, rational comments here
7. You can volunteer for politically-oriented civic organizations
8. You can donate " " " "
9. You can run for office--but you'll have to be a little more rational if you really want to get elected
10. You can show up at your local government meetings, but be warned they'll want you to have a point, and at that level, they're more interested in getting the library a new scanner and keeping the streets clear of snowI hope this helps you to channel your anger. We have a government which allows for citizen participation.
YOU CAN DRINK TOO!
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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:02am |
Stock traders shout "Holy Cow"
As he kicks the bottom
Out of the DOW...
PORKZILLA!
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NYCHardhat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:10am |
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:13am |
re: #246 bellamags
can the DOW ever get to 1?
Theoretically, it can get to zero, which is what President Zero seems to be aiming for. The Dow's gonna be playing the limbo for quite some time to come.
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:16am |
Now you can tell your grandkids: "I'm so old, I remember Capitalism!"
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bulwrk Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:18am |
re: #266 Ehlobuddy
Dude the owner of this blog is giving you warnings maybe you should acknowledge them.Unless of course you don't care about your account.
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Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:21am |
re: #234 albusteve
3mo and you own the room?.....you're laughable at best
Registered since: Oct 12, 2008 at 8:04 pm
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:22am |
re: #291 EmmmieG
Maybe he is passing thru #3 in the 7 stages of grief.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:25am |
re: #293 Blue Falcon
It might be a really good idea about now that if you have regular savings accounts to convert them into precious metals. I'm absolutely terrified what this is going to do for the country's credit rating and inflation.
We will eventually have Weimar Republic inflation.
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:30am |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
You're mistaken about the repeal of Glass-Steagle (sp). The termination of the separation of investment banking from commercial banking didn't cause the current crisis.
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tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:41am |
re: #296 loppyd
Loppy... The constitution is not perfect... We musst work to form a more perfect Union...
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formercorpsman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:43am |
re: #287 Ward Cleaver
You know, I was going to elaborate, but I'll just leave it at that.
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unreconstructed rebel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:48am |
re: #262 faraway
His family name is Salim. Not sure why they changed it.
Really? Now, isn't that interesting.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:48am |
re: #294 faraway
NYT lost another $20 million in the last 15 minutes.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
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Wyatt Earp Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:54am |
re: #291 EmmmieG
Here are your options:
1. You can vote
2. You can write coherent, rational letters to newspapers, magazines and your elected officials
3. You can protest--within the legal bounds you have been given
4. You can wear a t-shirt or slap on a bumper sticker
5. You can annoy people at parties
6. You can post reasonable, rational comments here
7. You can volunteer for politically-oriented civic organizations
8. You can donate " " " "
9. You can run for office--but you'll have to be a little more rational if you really want to get elected
10. You can show up at your local government meetings, but be warned they'll want you to have a point, and at that level, they're more interested in getting the library a new scanner and keeping the streets clear of snowI hope this helps you to channel your anger. We have a government which allows for citizen participation.
I prefer to put a bumper sticker on my t-shirt. :)
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jcbunga Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:01am |
re: #304 Honorary Yooper
Theoretically, it can get to zero, which is what President Zero seems to be aiming for. The Dow's gonna be playing the limbo for quite some time to come.
I think if it gets to zero, the UN takes over and digs.
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:08am |
re: #270 doppelganglander
Yeah, I'm in a crappy mood today.
You have every right to be, sistah.
It's insanity.
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:25am |
re: #252 Charles
Last warning.
Just a friendly suggestion to this guy,
Take:
Dude, I am tired of taking this crap sitting down. We ALL need to reach a level of FURY. We can bitch and whine about it. One day we will have to DO something. I am already primed.
Rewrite as:
I'm beginning to realize that it may be time to act. To use the principles of our republic, our right to vote, and our duty to participate. To contact our representatives, to help find and support new candidates, and to prove once again that our Republic is the finest form of government in history. I am ready to make this pledge.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:27am |
tick tick tick tick tick tick tick
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Born_to_lose Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:31am |
re: #245 Ehlobuddy
... By using sexist verbage? Come on dude, like someone said above, we are all preeeeetty pissed around here, but the language you are choosing to use to express your frustration is SO futile and counter-productive!
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:36am |
re: #312 formercorpsman
You know, I was going to elaborate, but I'll just leave it at that.
Thanks for that anyway.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:39am |
re: #151 FurryOldGuyJeans
I am slightly surprised it is taking so long to drop.
It looks like the magic number(support level) appears to be between 7923 and 7936 - one a recent intraday low, the other both a intraday low and day close. If the market closes below that range, we've probably broken the support(which we've be testing for a few weeks) and likely means we'll see much lower levels. In fact, we're at 7918 now with a day low of 7903. ugh.
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debutaunt Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:02am |
re: #10 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I never thought I'd say that I trust Wall Street.
/at the moment, I do
Wall Street is in favor of the economic success of the US.
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:18am |
NYT lost $6 million in last couple of minutes
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cartoonboy Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:29am |
Today's headlines are straight out of Austin Powers:
Dr Evil: Here's the plan: we hold the American taxpayer ransom for
800...billion dollars.
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Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:33am |
re: #297 Ehlobuddy
I shall stop using the reply button for you my friend because your posting days are now numbered in minutes and I don't want to get my replies sucked into your kamakazee raid here.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:40am |
re: #294 faraway
NYT lost another $20 million in the last 15 minutes.
Who says there's no good news?
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:42am |
re: #269 realwest
It doesn't have to pass the House, it has to go to a House/Senate conference to "iron out" the differences between the bill the House passed and the bill the Senate Passed.
Let us hope that the conference committee takes out the provisions that allow the Federal Government to overrule your decisions on your health care, seconded by your Doctor and agreed to by either your Health Insurer or Medicare, at a minimum.
You are correct, they will reconcile the bills.
Isn't just Medicare in the Bill that lets the Feds barge in?
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formercorpsman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:47am |
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denverinfidel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:47am |
I feel like I am in an alternate universe. The political shenanigans the left has played with this is sickening. Start with a trillion, then be bi-partisan and willing to "cut" it down to only $800+ billion. Fire up the printing presses, we need more money.
What a bunch of whores, lunatics, and criminals.
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acwgusa Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:48am |
I'd jump out a window, but I'm on the first floor.
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Bloodnok Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:50am |
re: #320 Born_to_lose
... By using sexist verbage? Come on dude, like someone said above, we are all preeeeetty pissed around here, but the language you are choosing to use to express your frustration is SO futile and counter-productive!
I sense a nice flameout coming. I have my camera ready.
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Ehlobuddy Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:54am |
I will now recuse myself since some people are distracted by my hasty rhetoric. Have a daisy of a day!
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Picayune Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:33:03am |
And gold's ajumpin! Up over $16.50, overnight. Here's one matrix that The One can't spin.
Track it here:[Link: www.kitco.com...]
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Wyatt Earp Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:33:06am |
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:33:18am |
re: #311 tfc3rid
Loppy... The constitution is not perfect... We musst work to form a more perfect Union...
Hell, lets scrap it and start from scratch!
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Lincolntf Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:33:57am |
Bye, Capitalism. It was nice having you around. See ya' in a couple decades.
Last one out, turn off the lights.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:00am |
re: #331 denverinfidel
I feel like I am in an alternate universe. The political shenanigans the left has played with this is sickening. Start with a trillion, then be bi-partisan and willing to "cut" it down to only $800+ billion. Fire up the printing presses, we need more money.
What a bunch of whores, lunatics, and criminals.
don't forget the interest....and Chinas problems
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nyc redneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:12am |
re: #16 ThinkRight
Rush just blamed the RINO repubs
their days are numbered.
fools
who fell for O"s shite.
they are sell outs of the worst order.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:13am |
re: #334 Ehlobuddy
I will now recuse myself since some people are distracted by my hasty rhetoric. Have a daisy of a day!
Thanks for wisely standing down. Please keep reading, though.
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:30am |
re: #268 pre-Boomer Marine brat
tick tick tick tick tick
/timebomb on the thread, waiting to go off
Hypnotic, isnt it?
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:35am |
re: #310 quickjustice
You're mistaken about the repeal of Glass-Steagle (sp). The termination of the separation of investment banking from commercial banking didn't cause the current crisis.
Gov't meddling in the housing market is, in my opinion, the primary cause though there are other factors as well
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VioletTiger Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:39am |
re: #284 FurryOldGuyJeans
You've changed your avitar. Is that you?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:40am |
re: #334 Ehlobuddy
I will now recuse myself since some people are distracted by my hasty rhetoric. Have a daisy of a day!
Since you can't even be bothered to acknowledge my comments, I bid you adieu.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:44am |
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:46am |
re: #276 Yashmak
I'm not sure that's correct. This bill spends money over several years. Can't the next Congress, for example, affect that?
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:51am |
re: #343 Ward Cleaver
Thanks for wisely standing down. Please keep reading, though.
He just got pwnd. See his avatar.
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pegcity Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:00am |
America get ready for crown corporations.
ill tell you as a canadian nothing pleases me more than having to pay the government for all my booze, insurance, gas, telephone etc
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:11am |
re: #337 loppyd
Hell, lets scrap it and start from scratch!
But who would write it? Do we have any men of that stature anymore?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:17am |
re: #328 Charles
Dow's about to go below 7900.
It's back up a smidgen, but I doubt the avalanche will be held back for long.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:24am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:25am |
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Athos Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:26am |
re: #269 realwest
The way it works is that the House leadership and some key members, all Dem, and the Senate Dem leadership plus the token participation of the 3 pinheads, will define a compromise bill. Then the compromise or 'final' version needs to be passed by the House and Senate before it goes to The One for signature.
One can suppose that the 3 pinheads will reverse their vote if the bill gets too much more crap added into it - but I ultimately doubt it. As Specter said on Fox News this morning, he gave his word to Reid that he supports it so he will vote for the steaming pile as doing the wrong thing is apparently better than doing nothing.
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:31am |
re: #296 loppyd No, I don't think so {loppyd} - I think most of us - well most of us who are concerned with the health care issues in this "Stimulus Bill" are more concerned with being able to get treatment if, by some magic calculus, someone in the Federal Government over rules you, your doctor and your private insurance/Medicare prescription for your treatment for a serious illness, based upon, apparently, the cost of such treatment versus the benefit to our society of keeping you alive.
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:33am |
re: #342 nyc redneck
their days are numbered.
fools
who fell for O"s shite.
they are sell outs of the worst order.
My mom's family is in Maine. They are beyond furious at their senators. My auntie is writing a letter to the editor of the second largest paper there. If it gets printed I will share.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:38am |
re: #347 Charles
Since you can't even bothered to acknowledge my comments, I bid you adieu.
Too bad he got himself whacked for being a jackass...
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:55am |
re: #351 Peacekeeper
It's going down like Lewinsky.
At least somebody got some pleasure out of that.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:01am |
re: #255 Ford_Prefect
I understand that. We all are dealing with this economic situation as it has hit us. My point is simply that this country is not dead, as some have stated, and won't be as long as we keep fighting.
I admire you're spirit. I have no intention of giving up, but I recognize that the Democrats have acquired enough power to permanently institutionalize their agenda. The last straw for me is the census, which will undoubtedly be completely fraudulent if Rahm Emmanuel gets his paws on it. We have one shot at this, in 2010, before the reapportionment and redistricting occurs. Once they've gerrymandered Republicans out of existence, how do we get back in power? Just like the jihadists, they are using our own institutions against us.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:12am |
re: #309 Leonidas Hoplite
We will eventually have Weimar Republic inflation.
Wheelbarrows full of cash to buy a loaf of bread. You know what got them - Hitler's ascendancy to power.
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Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:18am |
re: #347 Charles
Since you can't even bothered to acknowledge my comments, I bid you adieu.
Good grief! He got frenched...
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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:54am |
re: #352 pegcity
America get ready for crown corporations.
ill tell you as a canadian nothing pleases me more than having to pay the government for all my booze, insurance, gas, telephone etc
Not to mention the mice you all find in your beer up there...
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:56am |
re: #359 loppyd
My mom's family is in Maine. They are beyond furious at their senators. My auntie is writing a letter to the editor of the second largest paper there. If it gets printed I will share.
Share it anyway!
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Born_to_lose Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:03am |
re: #333 Bloodnok
Nah, I think homeboy got the point. Hey look, I have been in that same boat (especially since Nov. 4th) where I have said some pretty rediculous shit in haste (nothing seixist, plus I am girl, so that'd just be rediculous, anyway), no thanks to the frustration being cause by the new Administration. Damn this new administration btw! argh....
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WriterMom Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:19am |
re: #351 Peacekeeper
I'm sure that her results will go down in history (heh) as having been more impressive.
And that's really saying something.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:25am |
re: #363 Ward Cleaver
Wheelbarrows full of cash to buy a loaf of bread. You know what got them - Hitler's ascendancy to power.
See, this time around, you won't have the wheelbarrows. Think EFT and credits - inflation is a lot easier to deal with (for the gov't) when you don't have to run the printing presses for currency.
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faraway Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:26am |
re: #365 buzzsawmonkey
This is an economic Katrina. Throwing a huge bunch of tax money away in an effort to stanch the flood, and the levies are failing.
More like the economic Great Flood.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:27am |
re: #350 Fat Jolly Penguin
He just got pwnd. See his avatar.
Ouch. An account is a terrible thing to waste.
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:37am |
re: #329 opnion Not the way I've read it, nor, regrettably, the way my oncologist reads it. Doesn't matter to me, though, as I'm dependent on Medicare (as is my mom) anyway.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:55am |
re: #359 loppyd
My mom's family is in Maine. They are beyond furious at their senators. My auntie is writing a letter to the editor of the second largest paper there. If it gets printed I will share.
At least they have a chance. My two Senators, affectionately nicknamed Senator Tombstone (Roland Burris) and Senator Dick (Durbin) would follow Obama anywhere.
2010, just keep the eyes focused on 2010.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:01am |
re: #372 Guanxi88
See, this time around, you won't have the wheelbarrows. Think EFT and credits - inflation is a lot easier to deal with (for the gov't) when you don't have to run the printing presses for currency.
Wheelbarrows full of debit cards!
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Rexatosis Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:22am |
This bill is a mess, more "frivolous" spending (as Adam Smith would say) than acutal stimulous. One of the problems is that Congress as a whole represents a very narrow part of the general economy, lawyers. Since Congress is composed of almost all lawyers (and most are not very good lawyers), Congress has little understanding of how the economy actually works. It is painful to listen to Pelosi, Reid, etc., talk about the economy. Pres. Obama is worse since he sounds like he knows what he is saying but if you read what he says it is obvious he is also clueless about the general principles of both macro- and micro-economics.
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Blue Falcon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:30am |
re: #322 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
7,941 right now, but I think you're about right where it'll end today. That's assuming something big doesn't happen in the news or with a major industry.
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:35am |
Ya know in my minds eye I can see Obama at the Berlin Rally, in front of the Greek columns in Denver, and addressing the swooning crowd in Grant Park. What were these people thinking?
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calcajun Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:35am |
Thanks to our Congress and Fearless Leader for consigning my children and their children to penury, if not outright indentured servitude.
If this thing falls on its face, I wonder how the Dems and the MSM (Ministry of Socialist Manipulation) will spin it to make it all the GOP's fault.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:36am |
Meanwhile, in Germany, "bishop" Williamson's SSPX brothers published new anti-Semitic statements after the scandal had already erupted.
Das sind die Unbelehrbaren.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:50am |
re: #378 Ward Cleaver
Wheelbarrows full of debit cards!
That's such a funny image - some cartoonist needs to steal it.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:04am |
re: #377 Honorary Yooper
At least they have a chance. My two Senators, affectionately nicknamed Senator Tombstone (Roland Burris) and Senator Dick (Durbin) would follow Obama anywhere.
2010, just keep the eyes focused on 2010.
In the meantime, my company sinks even further, and I get laid off. Thanks alot, Obama.
/and the fucking rinos
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:16am |
re: #376 realwest
ADDENDUM: Medicare now covers, iirc, something like 45 million senior citizens, disable people. So it's not "just" medicare.
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republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:33am |
Universal Healthcare in the "Stimulus" bill!
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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J.D. Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:42am |
... More frightening to me than any policy or politician is the ease with which the public is played for fools with words. The latest example is the "Employee Freedom of Choice Act," a bill that will do away with secret ballot elections among workers voting on whether to be represented by a union. It is an open invitation to intimidation-- which is to say, loss of freedom of choice.Our economic problems worry me much less than our political solutions, which have a far worse track record.
One of the wonders of our times is how much more attention is paid to the living conditions of a bunch of cut-throats locked up in Guantanamo than to the leading international sponsor of terrorism getting nuclear weapons.
The great sense of urgency of the Obama administration to get legislation to authorize slow-moving spending projects may seem inconsistent. But the urgency is real, even if the reasons given are not. The worse case scenario for the administration would be to have the economy begin to recover on its own before this massive spending bill is passed, reducing their chances of creating the kind of politically directed economy they want.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:43am |
re: #378 Ward Cleaver
Wheelbarrows full of debit cards!
I'm immediately investing in wheelbarrows....heh
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Wyatt Earp Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:45am |
re: #383 calcajun
Thanks to our Congress and Fearless Leader for consigning my children and their children to penury, if not outright indentured servitude.
If this thing falls on its face, I wonder how the Dems and the MSM (Ministry of Socialist Manipulation) will spin it to make it all the GOP's fault.
And Obama will be re-elected in a landslide. God help us.
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:50am |
re: #358 realwest
No, I don't think so {loppyd} - I think most of us - well most of us who are concerned with the health care issues in this "Stimulus Bill" are more concerned with being able to get treatment if, by some magic calculus, someone in the Federal Government over rules you, your doctor and your private insurance/Medicare prescription for your treatment for a serious illness, based upon, apparently, the cost of such treatment versus the benefit to our society of keeping you alive.
I agree with everything you are saying....believe me. My step-father would probably have been told to go home and die quietly under such a plan.
But I think it's just as important - although not life and death - for people to understand that their most private medical information will be stored on a government database. And you all remember how easy it was for Joe the Plumber's info to be accessed - imagine if your medical records were to be splashed all over the internet by your enemies? Or if they were used by prospective companies when hiring? Downright chilling.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:00am |
re: #331 denverinfidel
I feel like I am in an alternate universe. The political shenanigans the left has played with this is sickening. Start with a trillion, then be bi-partisan and willing to "cut" it down to only $800+ billion. Fire up the printing presses, we need more money.
What a bunch of whores, lunatics, and criminals.
The real stinky thing about this current porkulus bill is what it adds onto an already bloated over-commitment Congress has mortgaged our future on.
U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1)
All I can say is "Holy Fucking Shit!"
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jester6 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:07am |
re: #249 Wyatt Earp
They need to keep this knucklehead away from the damned television! He's a Dow killer
Agreed. The Dow drop is not so much about Stimulus Bill as his performance last night. Bush is gone and the symptoms of BSD are receding. Without the hatred of GWB to fill their bellies they are beginning to realize the emperor has no clothes.
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VioletTiger Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:09am |
re: #382 opnion
Ya know in my minds eye I can see Obama at the Berlin Rally, in front of the Greek columns in Denver, and addressing the swooning crowd in Grant Park. What were these people thinking?
They weren't actually. Hence the problem.
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gearhead Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:13am |
I am really trying to give the new administration a chance, but I have yet to be impressed (and in this country, we handle disappointment by means other than violence, BTW). We need a Lincoln or a Churchill right now, not a leader with a "Hey, I won" attitude. As for the GOP, we need a Newt, or better - someone capable of creating an opposition bully pulpit without looking like just another obstructionist.
I'd like to crawl inside Volcker's brain and see what he's thinking right now.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:24am |
re: #310 quickjustice
There were many factors. Glass Steagall was one of the main causes....
Shattering the Glass-Steagall Act
I know Republicans are reflexively against regulation but Glass Steagall did it's job from after the Great Depression until it was repealed.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:25am |
re: #365 buzzsawmonkey
This is an economic Katrina. Throwing a huge bunch of tax money away in an effort to stanch the flood, and the levies are failing.
Oh DAM!
Obama'sluice!
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:33am |
re: #388 realwest
ADDENDUM: Medicare now covers, iirc, something like 45 million senior citizens, disable people. So it's not "just" medicare.
They've also recently floated an idea about adding people 55 and older to it. Can you say bankruptcy?
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Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:40am |
wouldn't it be funny after all this sound and fury if Obama actually vetoed the bill.....a boy can only dream!
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:41am |
re: #373 faraway
More like the economic Great Flood.
If the US economy falls, so too will the rest of the worlds' economies. They're all very interdependent on each other, and the US economy props up other economies that aren't doing so hot. IIRC, the phrase is, "When the US sneezes, Europe catches cold". It works for the rest of the worl as well.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:44am |
re: #317 loppyd
You have every right to be, sistah.
It's insanity.
Thanks. It's days like this I wish I were stupid and uninformed. Maybe it's better not to recognize that oncoming train.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:58am |
re: #392 albusteve
I'm immediately investing in wheelbarrows....heh
Sadly, most of them are made in China now.
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yma o hyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:05am |
re: #382 opnion
Ya know in my minds eye I can see Obama at the Berlin Rally, in front of the Greek columns in Denver, and addressing the swooning crowd in Grant Park. What were these people thinking?
Nothing, nothing at all.
They were feeeeling!
Feeling is all that matters to them.
I hope they feel really good right now.
NOT!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:13am |
re: #347 Charles
Since you can't even be bothered to acknowledge my comments, I bid you adieu.
thank you.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:25am |
re: #362 doppelganglander
This country has been around for more than 230 years. It has seen good times and bad. It has seen movements designed to destroy it both from without and from within. Yet here we are. Still standing. Still the greatest, strongest and freest country in the world. Nothing that this current administration does will be permanent. It can all be overturned. It will take time and perseverance, but it can be done. Don't lose hope.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:30am |
re: #363 Ward Cleaver
Wheelbarrows full of cash to buy a loaf of bread.
Just imagine. You wheel it to the store, go inside to get your bread, come back outside and find the money in a pile and the wheelbarrow stolen.
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J.S. Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:48am |
but this is just the beginning...there's "Geithner’s warning about the cost" of his new bank deals (this is an attempt to minimize the toxic debts held by some banks) and which could cost another 2 trillion dollars and which Barack Obama (during the press conference last night) says "that the administration is open to seeking more money." sooo, there could be another couple of trillion dollars needed...
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:50am |
re: #403 Big Steve
wouldn't it be funny after all this sound and fury if Obama actually vetoed the bill.....a boy can only dream!
"And ya'll thought I was serious!"
/blows smoke rings with his kool
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thefallingman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:14am |
re: #407 yma o hyd
Nothing, nothing at all.
They were feeeeling!
Feeling is all that matters to them.I hope they feel really good right now.
NOT!
But they probably do. The loaves and fishes promised by the Messiah are about to be served.
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republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:29am |
re: #389 republic
Universal Healthcare in the "Stimulus" bill!
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
Arlen Spector told FOX News this morning, that he didn't know this healthcare provision was in the "Stimulus" bill.
They vote and don't even know what's in the bill.
I wonder what else is in this phony bill, that Americans don't know about, including the very Congress who voted on it.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:42am |
re: #411 Wyatt Earp
Obama's back on CNN.
Tiiimmmbbbeeerrr!
I see it at 7937 as of this minute, and falling. Sweet!
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Amer-I-Can Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:51am |
I can hear the train whistle coming... and we are standing on the tracks.
After the wreck, let's start throwing out the RINOs immediately.
OTO, OTO, OTO
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:54am |
re: #387 Ward Cleaver
In the meantime, my company sinks even further, and I get laid off. Thanks alot, Obama.
/and the fucking rinos
You too? My sympathies.
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Born_to_lose Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:59am |
SO, now, I can't even friggin' work. I am known in my office as the only conservative here, and by gawd, they've surely been parading around for the last 30 minutes shouting for joy over this effing NON-stimulating passage. I want to punch each one of them in the face, kind of.
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ladycatnip Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:06am |
Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?
Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:11am |
re: #414 thefallingman
But they probably do. The loaves and fishes promised by the Messiah are about to be served.
Only it's gonna be rancid sardines and stale crackers Dear Leader's gonna be dishing out....
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pre-Boomer's SockPuppy Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:19am |
re: #375 gmsc
Great, our watchdog is full of ticks.
*scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch*
/heh ... I usually only break SockPuppy out for Goddess
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Kragar Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:27am |
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:28am |
re: #419 Amer-I-Can
I can hear the train whistle coming... and we are standing on the tracks.
After the wreck, let's start throwing out the RINOs immediately.
OTO, OTO, OTO
Michael Steele should be kicking ass and taking names.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:29am |
I am literally having a panic attack over this.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:38am |
re: #413 Ward Cleaver
"And ya'll thought I was serious!"
/blows smoke rings with his kool
Does he smoke that brand? Please, tell me he doesn't! It'd be a national disgrace is that was his brand.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:38am |
re: #416 gmsc
McCain didn't show up. Heh.
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Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:42am |
re: #284 FurryOldGuyJeans
I am getting seriously annoyed with all the Global Warming falling here right now.
I. Hate. Snow. :%P%
Yesterday the Seattle schools were running 2 hours late - all because of an inch or so of snow. I heard this from our choir director last night. What a bunch of wimps.
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calcajun Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:52am |
re: #345 Leonidas Hoplite
Gov't meddling in the housing market is, in my opinion, the primary cause though there are other factors as well
The meltdown is a machine with many, many moving parts. Only the most disingenuous would ascribe blame to one party or the other. It was, in part, due to the government wanting to gas the economy--stimulate growth-- that lenders were allowed (since the S&L's used to do it) make lots of loans to people who otherwise would not be able to get them. That was the starting point. There were numerous other factors which led to the current situation, including a serious problem with the mindset of corporate America which does not look past the next two fiscal quarters. In short, this was not unlike what happened in 1929 with the burst of another credit bubble.
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:58am |
re: #394 loppyd
But I think it's just as important - although not life and death - for people to understand that their most private medical information will be stored on a government database.
And that sume dumbass government employee will be entering the data. How screwed up can that get?
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:07am |
re: #358 realwest
No, I don't think so {loppyd} - I think most of us - well most of us who are concerned with the health care issues in this "Stimulus Bill" are more concerned with being able to get treatment if, by some magic calculus, someone in the Federal Government over rules you, your doctor and your private insurance/Medicare prescription for your treatment for a serious illness, based upon, apparently, the cost of such treatment versus the benefit to our society of keeping you alive.
Here is the problem as I see it, The Feds will use clerks at about the level of Postal & TSA employees to monitor healthcare. They will do it with guidelines based on age, sex, diagnosis. It is highly unlikely that past medical history will be a factor. That would be a pescription for disaster & people will die.
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:16am |
re: #377 Honorary Yooper
At least they have a chance. My two Senators, affectionately nicknamed Senator Tombstone (Roland Burris) and Senator Dick (Durbin) would follow Obama anywhere.
2010, just keep the eyes focused on 2010.
I feel your pain.
John F-ing Kerry and Teddy The Swimmer Kennedy here.
Did they drag Teddy off his death bed to vote? And what does that say about Barry? He had do have a dying man come in to pass his brilliant plan?
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:19am |
re: #425 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Some one grab the vaudville stage hook
Somebody call Chuck Barris!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:21am |
re: #417 republic
Arlen Spector told FOX News this morning, that he didn't know this healthcare provision was in the "Stimulus" bill.
They vote and don't even know what's in the bill.
I wonder what else is in this phony bill, that Americans don't know about, including the very Congress who voted on it.
This is not uncommon.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:25am |
re: #428 Guanxi88
From what I've heard, Dear Leader loves his Kools...
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Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:46am |
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republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:49am |
re: #422 ladycatnip
Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?
Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.
$500 Billion withdrawn from American Money Market Funds.
I thought of Soros, before Rush said it.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:02am |
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:04am |
re: #439 talon_262
From what I've heard, Dear Leader loves his Kools...
I'm sure it will be mandatory for us all to smoke only that one brand soon.
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unreconstructed rebel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:17am |
re: #422 ladycatnip
Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?
Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.
That's all I need. Proof that my favorite conspiracy theory has substance.
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Picayune Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:30am |
re: #183 Logic
Ah, Betty Davis Eyes, thanks for the memory. That's the only positive thought I've had all morning - on this day when O/Dems saved the world! Uh, btw, are ocean levels falling yet, as well?
/
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:31am |
re: #409 Ford_Prefect
This country has been around for more than 230 years. It has seen good times and bad. It has seen movements designed to destroy it both from without and from within. Yet here we are. Still standing. Still the greatest, strongest and freest country in the world. Nothing that this current administration does will be permanent. It can all be overturned. It will take time and perseverance, but it can be done. Don't lose hope.
I know you're right. My plan is to rant and be utterly furious and depressed today, and I'll be pretty much over it by tomorrow. It worked on November 4th and January 20th.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:40am |
re: #346 VioletTiger
You've changed your avitar. Is that you?
No, just some pr0n I found on the web. ;)
Seriously, it is me. Air sickness bags available upon request.
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:57am |
re: #416 gmsc
Thanks for the link!
BTW, thank heavens my two senators (Cornyn and Hutchison) voted Nay.
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thefallingman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:02am |
re: #442 republic
$500 Billion withdrawn from American Money Market Funds.
I thought of Soros, before Rush said it.
Just like Ukraine. (At least I think it was Ukraine)
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Viking6 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:07am |
The One and his cronies don't care how much the Dow falls. IMHO they want it to fall. The less wealth the more reliant the people are on the government. All those of us that have worked for 30 plus years and invested in 401ks ect are now going to reap the socialistic rewards of the hard work. Some will be ok but a majority of those that were counting on the investments will certainly be in a precarious position. While I am not a conspiracy nut it certainly seems that the perfect clown car has just hit DC and the Bozos are in charge of moving independence to government dole.
/rant off
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:10am |
re: #427 Leonidas Hoplite
Dude, relax. The bill is not the end of the world. It might work, it might not. In all likelihood whatever disaster may strike next is something that we aren't even talking about. Try not to get too sucked into partisan hysteria. It's all bullshit.
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:17am |
re: #427 Leonidas Hoplite
I am literally having a panic attack over this.
Calm down. This to shall pass. We made it through the great depression and we'll make it through this. The economy is going to get bad, really bad but a leader will emerge. If anything, this will drive the country toward conservative principles. The republicans or some as yet to be named third party needs to capitalize and win this country back.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:23am |
re: #439 talon_262
From what I've heard, Dear Leader loves his Kools...
That is disgraceful. Unforgivable! On top of everything else, the guy smokes the tobacco equivalent of St. Ives? Howsabout a little class, Barry? You wanna smoke? Fine! But smoke something decent; show a little class, man!
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:23am |
re: #432 redstateredneck
And that sume dumbass government employee will be entering the data. How screwed up can that get?
I can see the calls now.
"You have asthma? It says here you have allergies. Sorry that's what it says. You'll need to call this number and fill out this form and then go see your doctor and have him sign off on it......."
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JacksonTn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:31am |
Hey ...did the election just start? I mean ...I just turned the television on and I swear ...Obama is giving a campaign townhall speech ...
/HE IS A JERK ...
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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:32am |
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brookly red Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:37am |
re: #442 republic
$500 Billion withdrawn from American Money Market Funds.
I thought of Soros, before Rush said it.
kinda obvious, no?
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turn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:42am |
re: #409 Ford_Prefect
Thanks FP, that helps. I'm waiting for the smoke to clear a bit, but you must admit the market drop today is not a good sign.
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Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:50am |
re: #315 Wyatt Earp
I prefer to put a bumper sticker on my t-shirt. :)
Or put a t-shirt on the bumper of your car. :P
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Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:53am |
re: #447 doppelganglander
My plan is to rant and be utterly furious and depressed today, and I'll be pretty much over it by tomorrow.
sounds like Mrs Big Steve's approach toward me.
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:56am |
re: #296 loppyd
Once the government is paying for your health care, your "privacy" rights in your health care information cease to exist as against the government paymasters except the fig leaf given you by the HIPAA regulations.
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:34am |
re: #441 Big Steve
your link is to a foreign service act vote....
Click on the Votes link at the left side of the screen, and you'll see HR1 come up. Click on that and it opens the screen for this vote.
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:37am |
re: #449 subsailor68
Thanks for the link!
BTW, thank heavens my two senators (Cornyn and Hutchison) voted Nay.
See my correction at
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seekeroftruth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:43am |
re: #422 ladycatnip
Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?
Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.
Rush played the audio first thing today.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:49am |
re: #456 JacksonTn
Hey ...did the election just start? I mean ...I just turned the television on and I swear ...Obama is giving a campaign townhall speech ...
/HE IS A JERK ...
The guy just can't shut up. He loves himself too much.
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loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:59am |
re: #405 doppelganglander
Thanks. It's days like this I wish I were stupid and uninformed. Maybe it's better not to recognize that oncoming train.
We're all in this together. We as in the people with a clue. Not the "we" Barry refers to when lecturing us.
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:15am |
re: #449 subsailor68
Thanks for the link!
BTW, thank heavens my two senators (Cornyn and Hutchison) voted Nay.
? That's not the bill.
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:16am |
re: #357 Athos
It's "unfortunate" (trying hard not to piss off Charles) that that statement is true.
While this Stimulus Bill will ultimately kill our economy, some of us are facing much closer and more dramatic losses because of the "stealth" health care provisions than others.
Some of us just won't get a "second chance" to undo the mess that this DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS has led us into. And some of the Senators, including the idiot junior senator from, I think, Wyoming or Montana said, LIVE on Fox News, that he hadn't even read the bill and knew nothing at all about the stealth health care provision.
I don't and would never condon the banned one's tone or language, but I do understand where it's fear and anger comes from.
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nikis-knight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:20am |
So, I guess the smart thing to do would be to take out huge loans in soon to be worth-much-less dollars and buy gold and oil?
I mean, seriously, can you "borrow" a trillion dollars and expect no problems?
Damnit.
Screw them. I don't buy in. I'm going to live responsibly and raise my kids to do likewise if we're the last people not stuck remora like to the all saving government teat.
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ladycatnip Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:28am |
#442 republic
$500 Billion withdrawn from American Money Market Funds.
I thought of Soros, before Rush said it.
Does Soros or any one person on the planet have that kind of power?
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:50am |
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:52am |
re: #452 Killgore Trout
Dude, relax. The bill is not the end of the world. It might work, it might not. In all likelihood whatever disaster may strike next is something that we aren't even talking about. Try not to get too sucked into partisan hysteria. It's all bullshit.
if there are sweeping changes in the house and senate in 2010, the GOP can pull the plug on some of this spending I'm hoping
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Lincolntf Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:54am |
OT.
One of the resident experts at Israellycool had this to say about what he expects when the polls close and exit polls are released...
BarryRubin: "It is very accurate but remember that 1-3 seats could be the difference. So it will be at minimum say 90 percent accurate but the little changes mean important things regarding coalition and perhaps even who wins. "
Sounds like it might come down to the wire, but the prevailing opinion is that Netanyahu will become PM.
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Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:57am |
re: #399 Killgore Trout
There were many factors. Glass Steagall was one of the main causes....
Shattering the Glass-Steagall ActI know Republicans are reflexively against regulation but Glass Steagall did it's job from after the Great Depression until it was repealed.
Actually, repealing the Glass-Steagall Act allowed commercial banks to bail out failing investment banks last year, which did a great deal to stem the losses. Much more than the TARP spending, which I can guarantee you will do more harm than good.
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Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:59am |
re: #464 gmsc
Ooops. Here's the correct record.
Thanks and I might add that while we may have dipwads on our State board of education, at least our Texas Senators know their way to the "Nay" button.
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VioletTiger Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:09am |
re: #422 ladycatnip
Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?
Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.
Always wondered about that. Too convenient; the market is easily manipulated and then panic takes over.
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republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:14am |
re: #462 quickjustice
Once the government is paying for your health care, your "privacy" rights in your health care information cease to exist as against the government paymasters except the fig leaf given you by the HIPAA regulations.
Under the current stimulus healthcare plan in the bogus stimulus bill, every Americans medical privacy is out the window.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:20am |
re: #447 doppelganglander
I know you're right. My plan is to rant and be utterly furious and depressed today, and I'll be pretty much over it by tomorrow. It worked on November 4th and January 20th.
Ha! I guess I'm OK with that.
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:27am |
re: #466 gmsc
See my correction at
No problem. I just clicked on the Votes link and the bill came up - was able to click on that to see the results.
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Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:42am |
re: #328 Charles
Dow's about to go below 7900.
"Stimulus package, that's the name
And away go our investments down the drain."
/for those who are old enough to remember that ad
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calcajun Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:44am |
re: #399 Killgore Trout
There were many factors. Glass Steagall was one of the main causes....
Shattering the Glass-Steagall ActI know Republicans are reflexively against regulation but Glass Steagall did it's job from after the Great Depression until it was repealed.
Keep in mind the context in which the Act was repealed. Traditionally, S&L's wrote the majority of home mortgages--not commercial banks--until the S&L crash in the 1980's. As with any capitalist situation, there was a demand for money and not enough lenders in boom of the late 1990's. In order to sustain the boom, there was bi-partisan appeal for repealing Glass-Steagall so as to allow banks to step in to the shoes of S&L's. Robert Reich is on records as saying that there was so much money available then that they had to find a way to get it out the door. It's just that no one remembered why S&L's failed.
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:53am |
President Obama does himself a great disservice in these "Town Hall Meetings" as he behaves exactly the same as the new teenager in school who wants everyone to like him.
Pitiful.
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opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:00am |
re: #376 realwest
Not the way I've read it, nor, regrettably, the way my oncologist reads it. Doesn't matter to me, though, as I'm dependent on Medicare (as is my mom) anyway.
My using 'just" , it was not to minimize it, but was used as "Only" meaning first. The theory would be that the feds pay & can set the rules.
They will want to get into the privately insured population as well.
Right now with Medicare & Medicaid the government controls one fourteenth of the economy. With a take over of the insured poulation they will control one seventh.
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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:22am |
re: #463 taxfreekiller
tfk has been in D.C. some
we are doing a look see
to see how many blue dog
Democrats would jump shipdeveloping
You are right TFK, the Blue Dogs in the House are Obama's weakest link on everything from the economy to foreign policy and defense to gun control. Their constituents need to do some good 'ol fashioned arm twistin'.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:23am |
re: #479 Lincolntf
OT.
One of the resident experts at Israellycool had this to say about what he expects when the polls close and exit polls are released...
BarryRubin: "It is very accurate but remember that 1-3 seats could be the difference. So it will be at minimum say 90 percent accurate but the little changes mean important things regarding coalition and perhaps even who wins. "
Sounds like it might come down to the wire, but the prevailing opinion is that Netanyahu will become PM.
That would be a bright spot in an otherwise overall gloomy picture.
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:29am |
re: #481 Big Steve
Thanks and I might add that while we may have dipwads on our State board of education, at least our Texas Senators know their way to the "Nay" button.
Yahoo fellow Texan. I second your emotion.
;-)
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:29am |
re: #452 Killgore Trout
Killgore: "Try not to get too sucked into partisan hysteria. It's all bullshit."
How is it partisan bullshit when, as a matter of record, ALL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S SENATORS VOTED FOR THIS BILL?
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bulwrk Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:42am |
re: #432 redstateredneck
It just kills me that the same dumb asses that scream bloody murder about warrantless wiretapping will gleefully let the government compile their complete medical records.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:49am |
re: #448 FurryOldGuyJeans
No, just some pr0n I found on the web. ;)
Seriously, it is me. Air sickness bags available upon request.
[Piglet frowns at Furry.]
I thought I ordered you to stop that. I feel like Patti Novak, except I'm not getting paid.
Oh well. Do your thing. Piglet out.
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ladycatnip Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:49am |
#469 quickjustice
re: #422 ladycatnip
Limbaugh talked about this today.
I'd better start listening to him then. I got this info from a blog.
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mingjaiyo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:03am |
#263 quickjustice/#296 buzzsawmonkey I am aware that things are not at all close to what it was like during "the Great Depression". What disturbs me with "the stimulus" is that this outlay of borrowed money equals all the money evr borrowed and/or spent by the U.S.Gov't from it's inception through 1976 -almost 200 years of history. As others have stated here -what happens when China decides to no longer float our boat? This stimulus bill has nothing to do with economics (most especially jobs) and everything with politics. I had thought after seeing O win the elction that he would attempt to move the uS towards a socialist form of gov't incrementally. I was wrong. With the inevitable passing of this bill, we have now locked ourselves into the socialist model which began under Bush with the nationalizing of the banks. By the simple action of signing this bill into law,O will forever alter the role of government in this country. It may be easy on occasion to enact law at the Federal level in this country...it is nigh impossible to reverse law at the Federal level. In fact it usually takes action by The Supreme Court to overturn existing law. What has me feeling the way I am is speculating on "the law of unintended consequences" that will follow in the wake of this monstrosity. This bill will have quite possibly very severe ramifications for decades to come. Do I believe that we will survive in some form...of course I do. Like many others here I will not go down without a fight,be that fight contacting my representatives through engaging in my gauranteed right under the Constitution ( see the reasons as to why the Founders placed the 2nd Amendment in the document) to overthrow my present gov't in order to reinstall a gov't modeled on the Founders principles.
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jtisdel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:04am |
re: #141 Ford_Prefect
OK, people. I know this is bad, but let's step back from the ledges. This is still the United States of America. We still have the right to vote these people out and fix this thing, at least in the long term. I know that we will be paying for this for a long time, but there will be an end to it. As I see it, the Dem's just signed their own eviction papers. There is no way that this will turn out well for them. 2 years from now the turn over will begin, and in 4 years I believe it will be complete.
Yes, that's what we have to do. The issue is how to weather 2 years of Carter II (or Hoover II or FDR II - pick your poison). We need to keep hammering the Left on this and, when things turn around, don't allow the Left to take credit for it - like they've done regarding the Great Depression. Make this economic down turn the albatross around their necks.
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Bloodnok Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:14am |
re: #479 Lincolntf
OT.
One of the resident experts at Israellycool had this to say about what he expects when the polls close and exit polls are released...
BarryRubin: "It is very accurate but remember that 1-3 seats could be the difference. So it will be at minimum say 90 percent accurate but the little changes mean important things regarding coalition and perhaps even who wins. "
Sounds like it might come down to the wire, but the prevailing opinion is that Netanyahu will become PM.
I would consider the day a success if that happens. I really would.
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Amer-I-Can Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:17am |
re: #486 Cygnus
"Stimulus package, that's the name
And away go our investments down the drain."/for those who are old enough to remember that ad
"Roto Rooter".... how applicable.... LOL
OTO, OTO, OTO
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:17am |
So, things we learned from the last few depressions/panics: (Things that are useful to know once the panic is already upon us.)
1. If we all save and put our money in a coffee can (I'll have to use a hot chocolate can) in the backyard, this will last a lot longer. Save and put your money in the bank, or spend it on reasonable needs.
2. Protectionism is a dud. Smoot-Hawley Tariff. Look it up.
3. The government is not your savior, whatever Steinbeck may have written.
Anybody else have any thoughts?
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:23am |
In the LGF Irony department... in today's WSJ "Obama Warns of 'Lost Decade' "...
My belief is that the USA and perhaps the world have a "Lost Decade" to look forward to.
Charles, what is the difference between a blocked account and a banned one?
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unreconstructed rebel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:23am |
re: #475 ladycatnip
#442 republic
Does Soros or any one person on the planet have that kind of power?
Soros knows how to pick at the weak points and has the [lack of] business ethics to do it.
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republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:34am |
re: #475 ladycatnip
#442 republic
Does Soros or any one person on the planet have that kind of power?
All it would take is a few cohorts.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:51am |
re: #459 turn
Thanks FP, that helps. I'm waiting for the smoke to clear a bit, but you must admit the market drop today is not a good sign.
Of course not. I never said things were great. Just that they do not spell the end of this country. If you want a positive spin on it, though, like I said earlier, I think the Dem's have signed their own eviction papers with this. There is no way this can come out good for them.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:52:07am |
re: #456 JacksonTn
Hey ...did the election just start? I mean ...I just turned the television on and I swear ...Obama is giving a campaign townhall speech ...
/HE IS A JERK ...
All Dear Leader knows how to do is to campaign, because he's never had to actually work once he's won his seats, just using them to campaign for a higher seat...now that he's President, people are demanding results, so he's still trying to dazzle America with bullshit and hope it sticks.
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Adrenalyn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:52:42am |
hey, is this the next big terror attack ?
the one that finally wipes us out
how fucking clever of them
well, they finally did it
and no one from the CIA, FBI, etc, did anything to stop them
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:52:52am |
re: #475 ladycatnip
The people instigating the "run" on the U.S. money markets also might have been foreign governments acting in concert. The Chinese, the Venezuelans, the Iranians, the North Koreans, or the Arabs could have done it.
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seekeroftruth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:52:53am |
re: #463 taxfreekiller
tfk has been in D.C. some
we are doing a look see
to see how many blue dog
Democrats would jump shipdeveloping
Senator Colburn was asking people to target the fiscally conservative democrats with phone calls on Bill Bennet's radio show this morning. It could be possible to get the socialized medicine out of the bill during conference.
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:52:53am |
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turn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:21am |
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:22am |
As far as stocks go:
1) You should be buying and holding for the long term, anyway.
2) Now is a good time to put money in, with prices so low and all. It's akin to planting a tree as an expression of faith in the future.
3) If you invested in the market the day before the 1929 crash, and held on to it for the next 20 years, you would've had a market return that's among the great in the history of returns of stocks held over 20 years.
| 514 |
jester6 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:38am |
re: #391 J.D.
I am a management consultant who spends most of my time working as a interim executives for small companies trying to grow. All my clients are profitable, want to grow, know they need some help to build the management structure, and are privately held. I only take clients where I deal directly with the owner and I usually end up with an equity interest in the company if it is a long term engagement.
My clients typically have fewer then 40 employees and take home about $100k to 150k per year. They are the typical small business person who works hard, generates jobs but is so busy fighting fires they never achieve the scale and profitability they should.
I can tell you with absolute certainty that if card check leads to workers organizing these small employers the owners will shut their doors. Many of these small business owners could get a job, take a pay cut but work 25% to 50% fewer hours every week.
The election of Obama, the bailout bills and the class war fare rhetoric of the last election has taken away the dream of hitting it big for many of these people. Many do not believe if they work hard now they will be repaid in the future. They are looking to correct that work life balance so many W2 employees talk about.
Card check will be an unmitigated disaster.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:41am |
Kools! I still can't get past the Kools!
It's not enough he's a charlatan of the first (and worst) water; it's not enough he's got a personality cult like nothing I can remember; it's not enough the guy is the absolute living embodiment (and apotheosis) of everything that's wrong with the educational, legal, and political system of the United States; it's not enough that he uses as a shield and a weapon the fact of his Muslim ancestry and connections, mention of which shall not be made by any except for him; it's not enough the guy can't be bothered to show up on time for anything, behaves like a bored, petulant child when he does, and thinks we're the better for living in the world with him.
No, he's gotta smoke Kools, doesn't he? He can't do even one decent, classy thing with his vices.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:47am |
re: #493 realwest
If the Republicans were in they'd be voting to waste the money in slightly different ways but the money would still be wasted. Partisans only get upset when the other side wastes money. Neither party has shown any financial responsibility. The bill might work or it might not. We'll have to wait and see but either way it's not the end of the world. Personally, I hope it works.
| 517 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:48am |
re: #499 jtisdel
Yes, that's what we have to do. The issue is how to weather 2 years of Carter II (or Hoover II or FDR II - pick your poison). We need to keep hammering the Left on this and, when things turn around, don't allow the Left to take credit for it - like they've done regarding the Great Depression. Make this economic down turn the albatross around their necks.
Exactly. upding.
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debutaunt Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:59am |
re: #183 Logic
To make it truly appropriate, it should be sung in a minor key at a dirge temp.
It was inevitable that this monstrosity would pass - I'm just glad it didn't go through on Ronald Reagan's birthday (Feb. 6th).
To paraphrase Bette Davis, fasten your seatbelts - it's going to be a bumpy, downhill ride!
I'd kiss ya, but I just washed my hair.
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JacksonTn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:00am |
Well, I must get back to work ...just driving by ...at least I still have work ...still up north ....going back south tomorrow ...I have my own business and will try to keep as many employees on the payroll as possible ... I hope things do not get to where we have to lay people off ...we have never had to ....
I HATE THIS CRAP ...A BIG F*CK YOU TO ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:05am |
re: #486 Cygnus
"Stimulus package, that's the name
And away go our investments down the drain."/for those who are old enough to remember that ad
Obama-rooter...
;-)
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:09am |
re: #506 Ford_Prefect
Of course not. I never said things were great. Just that they do not spell the end of this country. If you want a positive spin on it, though, like I said earlier, I think the Dem's have signed their own eviction papers with this. There is no way this can come out good for them.
One can only hope. and change. or rope-a-hope-a-dope. or... nevermind.
| 523 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:28am |
re: #145 buzzsawmonkey
You vote for stimulus
What do you get?
A dropping Dow Jones and trillions of debt
St. Peter don't you call me, 'cause I can't go
I'm deep in hock to the Gramscian Ho's.
"Sixteen Tons" is probably an Obama family favourite.//
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kansas Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:35am |
Holy shit. Obama and Geithner have crashed the market.
| 525 |
WriterMom Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:42am |
Kenneth-if you see this...I just saw your comment. I am so sorry to hear about your Mom. May her memory be a blessing, and may you and your loved ones live long healthy lives.
Lizards-Kenneth's mom passed away. Kenneth is one of the nicest people I know...and I've met him in person-to have raised such a fine person, with such a strong moral compass and big heart-well, his mother must have been an incredible person.
{Kenneth}
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Wyatt Earp Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:55:05am |
re: #513 gmsc
As far as stocks go:
1) You should be buying and holding for the long term, anyway.
2) Now is a good time to put money in, with prices so low and all. It's akin to planting a tree as an expression of faith in the future.
3) If you invested in the market the day before the 1929 crash, and held on to it for the next 20 years, you would've had a market return that's among the great in the history of returns of stocks held over 20 years.
I'm worried about my co-workers who are approaching retirement age. Damned shame for them.
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Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:55:10am |
re: #387 Ward Cleaver
In the meantime, my company sinks even further, and I get laid off. Thanks alot, Obama.
/and the fucking rinos
Welcome to the club. I was laid off a month. Good luck to you.
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formercorpsman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:55:29am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:55:57am |
re: #513 gmsc
As far as stocks go:
1) You should be buying and holding for the long term, anyway.
2) Now is a good time to put money in, with prices so low and all. It's akin to planting a tree as an expression of faith in the future.
3) If you invested in the market the day before the 1929 crash, and held on to it for the next 20 years, you would've had a market return that's among the great in the history of returns of stocks held over 20 years.
And there were people who made fortunes buying up stocks people were dumping during the crash.
For too many people next week is long term now. 20 years is unthinkable.
| 530 |
Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:13am |
re: #513 gmsc
what do you think about calls right about now especially in pretty sound equities such as GE, ATT....?
| 531 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:31am |
re: #10 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I never thought I'd say that I trust Wall Street.
/at the moment, I do
You can trust the indexes. Just not the brokers rhetoric.
| 532 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:35am |
re: #514 jester6
I agree completely. And isn't the Orwellian title of that legislation something like the Employee Free Choice Act? That's despicable.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:42am |
re: #495 capitalist piglet
Prove me wrong, then.
Until you do I still wield a wicked cane and mean walker. ;)
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:43am |
re: #394 loppyd
Oh yes, having everyone's medical records (with the probable exception of President Obama's medical records) in one Federally controlled data base does not bode well for the privacy rights of citizens.
My point was, however, that my privacy rights take second place to me and my mom's staying alive.
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Jetpilot1101 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:50am |
The DOWn seems to have support around 7930 right now. If this thing breaks hard down below 7900, it's off to a race to the bottom.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:56am |
re: #508 Adrenalyn
hey, is this the next big terror attack ?
the one that finally wipes us out
how fucking clever of them
well, they finally did it
and no one from the CIA, FBI, etc, did anything to stop them
It was an inside job.
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Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:10am |
re: #475 ladycatnip
#442 republicOk, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.
$500 Billion withdrawn from American Money Market Funds.
I thought of Soros, before Rush said it.
Does Soros or any one person on the planet have that kind of power?
Not by himself, but he is certainly capable of sparking a panic. He nearly broke the Bank of England, if you'll recall.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:11am |
re: #526 Wyatt Earp
I'm worried about my co-workers who are approaching retirement age. Damned shame for them.
They won't survive government-rationed health care.
Enjoy your soylent green.
/I wish this were sarc. Well, the part about soylent green is sarc.
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redstateredneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:18am |
Crap! Here comes Fed Ex with work for me.
Later, {lizards}
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:25am |
Suggested talking point for any Lizard thinking of running for Congress: Are you (my fellow voters) better off now (in 2010) than you were in 2006? Remember that my opponent the incumbent Democrat and their party have been in control of Congress since then.
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Adrenalyn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:40am |
will John Kerry's military records be available, along with my medical records ?
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:40am |
re: #530 Big Steve
what do you think about calls right about now especially in pretty sound equities such as GE, ATT....?
I was speaking generally about investing. For specific stocks as related to your particular needs, I suggest finding a good broker or other financial professional.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:55am |
re: #541 redstateredneck
Crap! Here comes Fed Ex with work for me.
Later, {lizards}
B*stard! Flaunting your work like that!
//
| 546 |
nyc redneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:58:03am |
there are enough dumb fck losers in this country who really think they're getting a unicorn.
a new car, a house, a new kitchen all from obama.
this is what they projected onto his empty rhetoric.
he is still campaigning.
that is all he can do.
he will never be able to actually be potus.
he is the eternal candidate.
w/ empty promises.
| 547 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:58:07am |
re: #531 Bobibutu
You can trust the indexes. Just not the brokers rhetoric.
True, and I guess that's kind of what I meant.
I'm not well-off enough to be a market player.
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republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:58:09am |
I don't know exactly who made the quote, but it certainly seems accurate,
"A people get the government they deserve."
Congratulations!
If only Americans could have realized that elections have very serious consequences.
This harm won't be undone.
Total globalization is next up on tap.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:58:14am |
re: #538 bellamags
I've met enough who would disagree with you.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:58:31am |
re: #454 Guanxi88
That is disgraceful. Unforgivable! On top of everything else, the guy smokes the tobacco equivalent of St. Ives? Howsabout a little class, Barry? You wanna smoke? Fine! But smoke something decent; show a little class, man!
Hey, my dad smoked Kools unfiltered for nearly 40 years! Then again, he passed away at the age of 55. Bad example.
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:03am |
re: #502 EmmmieG
Read Amity Shlaes's "The Forgotten Man", a history of the Great Depression. She discusses all of the mistakes made by Hoover and Roosevelt in mismanaging the Great Depression. Hoover's signature of the Smoot Hawley protectionist tariff was a major blunder. The Buy American provision in the current stimulus are similar in character. They'll ignite a trade war that will make things worse.
In the short term, the Federal Reserve does need to combat deflation, but this stimulus is a reckless shotgun.
| 552 |
Optimizer Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:22am |
re: #524 kansas
Holy shit. Obama and Geithner have crashed the market.
You ain't kiddin'.
If the economy picks up anyway (in the short term) they'll take the credit. When it eventually stalls, they'll say it wasn't enough. Will the people buy it?
| 553 |
Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:23am |
re: #544 gmsc
I was speaking generally about investing. For specific stocks as related to your particular needs, I suggest finding a good broker or other financial professional.
I have three....rarely do they agree.
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rw in san diego Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:25am |
re: #269 realwest
It doesn't have to pass the House, it has to go to a House/Senate conference to "iron out" the differences between the bill the House passed and the bill the Senate Passed.
Let us hope that the conference committee takes out the provisions that allow the Federal Government to overrule your decisions on your health care, seconded by your Doctor and agreed to by either your Health Insurer or Medicare, at a minimum.
Realwest, how many people know about those provisions? It's critical that this be made known to the general public. I think even Obama supporters would have a difficult time accepting the rationed and less than optimal health care that will be out collective lot when this fiasco is signed.
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Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:35am |
re: #448 FurryOldGuyJeans
No, just some pr0n I found on the web. ;)
Seriously, it is me. Air sickness bags available upon request.
No, no; it's a great picture. Balding guys with beards look good!
| 556 |
doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:36am |
re: #525 WriterMom
Kenneth-if you see this...I just saw your comment. I am so sorry to hear about your Mom. May her memory be a blessing, and may you and your loved ones live long healthy lives.
Lizards-Kenneth's mom passed away. Kenneth is one of the nicest people I know...and I've met him in person-to have raised such a fine person, with such a strong moral compass and big heart-well, his mother must have been an incredible person.
{Kenneth}
Thanks for the update. Kenneth, you and your family are in my thoughts.
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tackle Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:43am |
re: #494 bulwrk
It just kills me that the same dumb asses that scream bloody murder about warrantless wiretapping will gleefully let the government compile their complete medical records.
I was thinking the same thing. What are the victims of this administration? Privacy and agency.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:55am |
re: #552 Optimizer
You ain't kiddin'.
If the economy picks up anyway (in the short term) they'll take the credit. When it eventually stalls, they'll say it wasn't enough. Will the people buy it?
Yup.
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Bob Dillon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:56am |
re: #543 Adrenalyn
will John Kerry's military records be available, along with my medical records ?
The elite will have loopholes.
You, just bend over.
/
| 560 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:00:13am |
re: #550 doppelganglander
Hey, my dad smoked Kools unfiltered for nearly 40 years! Then again, he passed away at the age of 55. Bad example.
Look, if you started to smoke Kools any time after about 1970, then you're just low-class. It was once a respected brand, but now, not so much.
Besides, he's supposed to be the leader of the greatest nation in human history, and he smokes Detroit's favorite cigarette?
| 561 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:00:18am |
re: #544 gmsc
I was speaking generally about investing. For specific stocks as related to your particular needs, I suggest finding a good broker or other financial professional.
Great advice. I went to a seminar awhile back where the speaker opined that when looking at stocks in a time like this, look for companies who make things people need, not just things that people want.
Not an investment expert, but thought the idea was interesting.
| 562 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:00:42am |
re: #544 gmsc
I was speaking generally about investing. For specific stocks as related to your particular needs, I suggest finding a good broker or other financial professional.
I'll walk around Wall Street with a net and see if I can catch one before he hits the ground.
| 563 |
bulwrk Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:00:54am |
re: #543 Adrenalyn
will John Kerry's military records be available, along with my medical records ?
I'm actually more interested in the Obamas college transcripts.
| 564 |
albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:00:56am |
re: #549 FurryOldGuyJeans
I've met enough who would disagree with you.
she meant cute in a bull dog sort of way....
| 565 |
Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:04am |
re: #522 taxfreekiller
the S & L deal had all to do with the northeast Democrats not wanting the South and Southwest to become any stronger money wise, so they used the S & L deal to steal with Govt. money the assets of the South and Southwest.
they are evil crooks
No Dem Senators voted nay.
All the Repubs who voted nay were from Western, Southwestern, Midwestern and Southern states.
The two backstabbing RINOS were from the NorthEast. Snowe and Spector.
I'm not going to say any more or I will get myself in trouble. Heh.
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Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:05am |
re: #559 Bobibutu
The elite will have loopholes.
You, just bend over.
/
ahh....so the bill contains free colonoscopies
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:06am |
re: #551 quickjustice
Read Amity Shlaes's "The Forgotten Man", a history of the Great Depression. She discusses all of the mistakes made by Hoover and Roosevelt in mismanaging the Great Depression. Hoover's signature of the Smoot Hawley protectionist tariff was a major blunder. The Buy American provision in the current stimulus are similar in character. They'll ignite a trade war that will make things worse.
In the short term, the Federal Reserve does need to combat deflation, but this stimulus is a reckless shotgun.
I regret that I have but one upding to give for your recommendation of Amity Shlaes.
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:07am |
re: #427 Leonidas Hoplite
I am literally having a panic attack over this.
so am I. For me this is very bad. OTOH i am gonna marry a Marine. At least he can protect me somewhat if things get hairy. UNLESS he's deployed.
| 569 |
bellamags Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:44am |
re: #556 doppelganglander
I just friend requested you on facebook! LOL
| 570 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:56am |
re: #551 quickjustice
FDR also tried some crazy stuff with taxes. As I recall he tried several times to raise taxes on the upper tax brackets to something like 90%.
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kansas Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:07am |
re: #552 Optimizer
You ain't kiddin'.
If the economy picks up anyway (in the short term) they'll take the credit. When it eventually stalls, they'll say it wasn't enough. Will the people buy it?
There's so much bullshit around it's hard to take a step. I thought I was being alarmist thinking Obama is a plant, but I really think he's in this to deliver a body blow to the US.
| 573 |
quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:17am |
re: #513 gmsc
Personally, I'd buy some real estate or commodities to hedge against inflation. (Buying low always is a good thing). Gold isn't as good an investment. It'll appreciate as against inflation, but won't give you any investment "lift" beyond that.
| 574 |
debutaunt Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:39am |
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:42am |
re: #543 Adrenalyn
will John Kerry's military records be available, along with my medical records ?
He still needs to sign that Standard Form-180 for the "FULL" release of those military records, that he promised like 3 and a half years ago.
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republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:47am |
re: #535 realwest
Oh yes, having everyone's medical records (with the probable exception of President Obama's medical records) in one Federally controlled data base does not bode well for the privacy rights of citizens.
My point was, however, that my privacy rights take second place to me and my mom's staying alive.
realwest, the Federal Govt would decide the cost/benefit of each diagnosis and plan of treatment.
If there is no real benefit, according to a govt bureaucracy, there will be no treatment.
| 577 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:03:14am |
re: #534 FurryOldGuyJeans
Prove me wrong, then.
Until you do I still wield a wicked cane and mean walker. ;)
5.3.8.
Sheesh. That was easy. Give me a tough job.
| 578 |
UberInfidel67 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:03:16am |
re: #145 buzzsawmonkey Now we need you to rework the lyrics of "Godzilla" to "Porkzilla".
/I forget who sang Godzilla : /
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quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:03:30am |
re: #570 Killgore Trout
The top U.S. tax rates were 90% until Jack Kennedy dropped them.
| 580 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:03:37am |
re: #566 Big Steve
ahh....so the bill contains free colonoscopies
lol
Amongst other invasive procedures.
Did you peak?
| 581 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:03:38am |
re: #551 quickjustice
Read Amity Shlaes's "The Forgotten Man", a history of the Great Depression. She discusses all of the mistakes made by Hoover and Roosevelt in mismanaging the Great Depression. Hoover's signature of the Smoot Hawley protectionist tariff was a major blunder. The Buy American provision in the current stimulus are similar in character. They'll ignite a trade war that will make things worse.
In the short term, the Federal Reserve does need to combat deflation, but this stimulus is a reckless shotgun.
Great book! I saw an interview with a guy who's written a book called "New Deal Raw Deal". It sounds similar to Amity Schlaes' book. Have you heard about/read it yet?
| 582 |
Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:03am |
re: #573 quickjustice
Personally, I'd buy some real estate or commodities to hedge against inflation. (Buying low always is a good thing). Gold isn't as good an investment. It'll appreciate as against inflation, but won't give you any investment "lift" beyond that.
Gold isn't so much an investment as an insurance policy.
| 584 |
tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:14am |
Sosad to see new NY Sen. Gillibrand on there... She voted in the House AGAINST the original bailout last year, as she was a blue dog Dem...
It's clear whose side she is on now... Partisan hack...
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:18am |
re: #578 UberInfidel67
Now we need you to rework the lyrics of "Godzilla" to "Porkzilla".
/I forget who sang Godzilla : /
Blue Oyster Cult
| 586 |
ichef Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:52am |
On Rush he's talking about the "Townhall"...
Some lady wants PrezBO to buy her a car (a small one that can carry a family), a bathroom and kitchen (assuming she wants the rest of the house to go with that).
College "Dude" working at McDonalds for 4 1/2 years wants PrezBO to have the franchiser that risked over 2 million to start a restaurant, has to pay royalties out the yingyang, a business that mostly is considered "entry level" job to pay more "benefits" cause this guy seems to either not be able to move up or in a "college town" find another gig.
/Daddy O what are you going to gimme today?
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:56am |
re: #560 Guanxi88
Look, if you started to smoke Kools any time after about 1970, then you're just low-class. It was once a respected brand, but now, not so much.
Besides, he's supposed to be the leader of the greatest nation in human history, and he smokes Detroit's favorite cigarette?
The brand does have a declasse reputation, doesn't it? When I was a smoker, my rowdy friends smoked Newports or Marlboro. I went for Salems for that touch of class.
Frankly, I think Galoises might suit Obie better.
| 588 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:57am |
re: #570 Killgore Trout
FDR also tried some crazy stuff with taxes. As I recall he tried several times to raise taxes on the upper tax brackets to something like 90%.
Yep. He wanted a 90% tax on anyone in the upper tax brackets. FDR also floated an idea to have a 100%, yes, I said 100%, tax on anyone making over $100,000 a year.
| 589 |
doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:13am |
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Bob Dillon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:24am |
re: #576 republic
realwest, the Federal Govt would decide the cost/benefit of each diagnosis and plan of treatment.
If there is no real benefit, according to a govt bureaucracy, there will be no treatment.
Wasn't there a theme in an old movie about this?
| 591 |
republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:25am |
re: #579 quickjustice
The top U.S. tax rates were 90% until Jack Kennedy dropped them.
The last real taxcut, by a Democrat.
| 592 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:29am |
re: #566 Big Steve
ahh....so the bill contains free colonoscopies
BOHICA: BEND OVER HERE IT COMES AGAIN!
| 593 |
Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:30am |
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ladycatnip Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:37am |
#539 Spiny Norman
Does Soros or any one person on the planet have that kind of power?
Not by himself, but he is certainly capable of sparking a panic. He nearly broke the Bank of England, if you'll recall.
Wouldn't there be some sort of paper trail the feds could follow? This to me sounds and smells like what others upthread have said - a terrorist attack on the U.S. economy from within. If other countries or an evil man like Soros could actually influence and control an election, then it should be exposed and measures taken to ensure this will never happen again. I'll do some reading to see how England averted disaster.
| 595 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:39am |
re: #571 kansas
There's so much bullshit around it's hard to take a step. I thought I was being alarmist thinking Obama is a plant, but I really think he's in this to deliver a body blow to the US.
Has the world not shown you enough examples of human gullibility?
We will believe absolutely anything.
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Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:40am |
re: #569 bellamags
I just friend requested you on facebook! LOL
On that note. I suggest that anyone who is on Facebook join the Little Green Footballs group. I am there.
| 597 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:41am |
re: #561 subsailor68
Great advice. I went to a seminar awhile back where the speaker opined that when looking at stocks in a time like this, look for companies who make things people need, not just things that people want.
Not an investment expert, but thought the idea was interesting.
Note to self: Find out who manufactures gas masks and Cipro.
| 598 |
Big Steve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:48am |
Did anyone notice last night that Obama made reference to the bailout having failed and then the reporters, without questioning, started echoing it. One reporter even said in her question, and I paraphrase, "since the first bailout didn't work, how will this be different." Is the MSM that completely and utterly without any analytical facalties? Are we talking about the first bailout that was like one freakin month ago or so and has only started to outlay cash. Were reporters actually expecting this thing to turn around in 30 days?
| 599 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:06:07am |
re: #587 doppelganglander
The brand does have a declasse reputation, doesn't it? When I was a smoker, my rowdy friends smoked Newports or Marlboro. I went for Salems for that touch of class.
Frankly, I think Galoises might suit Obie better.
I just roll my own...
| 600 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:06:37am |
re: #381 Blue Falcon
7,941 right now, but I think you're about right where it'll end today. That's assuming something big doesn't happen in the news or with a major industry.
I'm looking the technicals - DJI, SPX, OEX - and they sure do look weak(and I'm trying to be nice). ...and it sure does look like 8k just became the resistance level with 7400 our next lower support.
Institution programs should be kicking-in, lets hope they're on the buy side.
| 601 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:06:38am |
re: #597 capitalist piglet
Note to self: Find out who manufactures gas masks and Cipro.
LOL! Why sir, I believe you've got the concept down pat!
| 602 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:06:56am |
re: #568 Karagush
so am I. For me this is very bad. OTOH i am gonna marry a Marine. At least he can protect me somewhat if things get hairy. UNLESS he's deployed.
This just breaks my heart.
| 603 |
tackle Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:07:40am |
Reid: "This is an emergency".
It wasn't until you wrote this horrible bill, Harry.
Talk about a self-fulfulling prophecy. If I was smarter I'd think they'd want the economy to tank as much as possible. Bring America to its knees and then "save" them.
| 604 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:07:45am |
re: #587 doppelganglander
The brand does have a declasse reputation, doesn't it? When I was a smoker, my rowdy friends smoked Newports or Marlboro. I went for Salems for that touch of class.
Frankly, I think Galoises might suit Obie better.
Best cigarettes in the world, when you can get them, are Sobranie; Balkan Sobranie used to be the best pipe tobacco out there, but, sadly, there's no more to be found. I suspect the cigs are the same deal.
Davidoff makes some very fine coffin nails, too.
| 605 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:07:54am |
Caligula appointed his horse to the Roman Senate. The horse would have been a better senator than 61 of ours; he would have voted "Nay".
Ours are a bunch of horse's asses.
| 607 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:08:05am |
re: #581 subsailor68
Great book! I saw an interview with a guy who's written a book called "New Deal Raw Deal". It sounds similar to Amity Schlaes' book. Have you heard about/read it yet?
Yes, "New Deal or Raw Deal" by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. I read it, and found it to be most interesting and informative. BTW, did you know FDR used lucky numbers to figure how some of what he was going to do?
| 608 |
nyc redneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:08:05am |
re: #584 tfc3rid
Sosad to see new NY Sen. Gillibrand on there... She voted in the House AGAINST the original bailout last year, as she was a blue dog Dem...
It's clear whose side she is on now... Partisan hack...
she has been "educated".
schmuck schmer saw to that.
i bet she's not pro-gun anymore either.
i hope peter king takes the seat from her.
| 609 |
unreconstructed rebel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:08:06am |
re: #513 gmsc
As far as stocks go:
1) You should be buying and holding for the long term, anyway.
2) Now is a good time to put money in, with prices so low and all. It's akin to planting a tree as an expression of faith in the future.
3) If you invested in the market the day before the 1929 crash, and held on to it for the next 20 years, you would've had a market return that's among the great in the history of returns of stocks held over 20 years.
I do hope you are right, because thats the game I am playing.
/But, sometimes ..........
| 610 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:08:37am |
re: #591 republic
The last real taxcut, by a Democrat.
His Republican SecTres was the source and driving force for those cuts. Kennedy saw the light.
| 611 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:08:57am |
re: #603 tackle
Reid: "This is an emergency".
It wasn't until you wrote this horrible bill, Harry.
Talk about a self-fulfulling prophecy. If I was smarter I'd think they'd want the economy to tank as much as possible. Bring America to its knees and then "save" them.
Reid is a walking, talking, EMERGENCY!
| 612 |
republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:09:35am |
re: #586 ichef
On Rush he's talking about the "Townhall"...
Some lady wants PrezBO to buy her a car (a small one that can carry a family), a bathroom and kitchen (assuming she wants the rest of the house to go with that).
College "Dude" working at McDonalds for 4 1/2 years wants PrezBO to have the franchiser that risked over 2 million to start a restaurant, has to pay royalties out the yingyang, a business that mostly is considered "entry level" job to pay more "benefits" cause this guy seems to either not be able to move up or in a "college town" find another gig./Daddy O what are you going to gimme today?
Rush told anyone who wants a job, or a car, or a kitchen, to call the White House, then call Nancy Pelalegosi, then call Harry Reid.
I love it.
| 613 |
gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:16am |
re: #553 Big Steve
I have three....rarely do they agree.
I'd temper their advice with advice and analysis from The Motley Fool, then decide for yourself.
| 614 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:18am |
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Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:19am |
re: #594 ladycatnip
#539 Spiny Norman
Wouldn't there be some sort of paper trail the feds could follow? This to me sounds and smells like what others upthread have said - a terrorist attack on the U.S. economy from within. If other countries or an evil man like Soros could actually influence and control an election, then it should be exposed and measures taken to ensure this will never happen again. I'll do some reading to see how England averted disaster.
They suspended trading of the Pound Sterling, for one thing. I can't recall what else was done, but it stopped the panic trading.
| 616 |
republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:22am |
| 617 |
yma o hyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:26am |
re: #607 Honorary Yooper
Yes, "New Deal or Raw Deal" by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. I read it, and found it to be most interesting and informative. BTW, did you know FDR used lucky numbers to figure how some of what he was going to do?
Excellent book, that.
I look at it as a sort of forecast of what PB0 and the dems will come up with next.
Like an early warning system.
| 618 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:29am |
Looking at the roll call just to make sure Texas was properly represented (and we were, thankfully), I saw 98 votes.
I understand Minnesota is short a Senator. Sad, but I get it.
Where was Sen. Gregg (R-NH) today?
| 619 |
unreconstructed rebel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:02am |
Just how did the Republicans maneuver themselves into this state of affairs? Talk about bad Karma.
| 620 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:05am |
re: #603 tackle
Reid: "This is an emergency".
It wasn't until you wrote this horrible bill, Harry.
Talk about a self-fulfulling prophecy. If I was smarter I'd think they'd want the economy to tank as much as possible. Bring America to its knees and then "save" them.
If they sealed this man in Yucca mountain for 100 yrs, he'd still be moving when they reopened it. Fartcake.
| 621 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:16am |
re: #601 subsailor68
LOL! Why sir, I believe you've got the concept down pat!
I'm not a sir, but even a "sweetie" can catch on in Obamaland. : )
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nikis-knight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:24am |
re: #494 bulwrk
It just kills me that the same dumb asses that scream bloody murder about warrantless wiretapping will gleefully let the government compile their complete medical records.
Not to mention every dime you earn.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:24am |
re: #596 Ford_Prefect
On that note. I suggest that anyone who is on Facebook join the Little Green Footballs group. I am there.
I didn't know we had one. I will join forthwith.
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republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:26am |
re: #610 Bobibutu
His Republican SecTres was the source and driving force for those cuts. Kennedy saw the light.
Indeed.
Thanks
| 625 |
realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:27am |
re: #434 opnion
You are correct: people will die. And probably in more pain than they would otherwise need to be.
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bellamags Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:38am |
re: #596 Ford_Prefect
OMG - there is a littlegreenfootballs group? I am TOTALLY there.
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:44am |
re: #607 Honorary Yooper
Yes, "New Deal or Raw Deal" by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. I read it, and found it to be most interesting and informative. BTW, did you know FDR used lucky numbers to figure how some of what he was going to do?
Thanks for the info. I'll pick it up this afternoon!
Hmm....given what he ended up doing to the economy, he probably should have found some different lucky numbers, eh?
;-)
| 628 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:47am |
| 629 |
scannit Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:53am |
FWIW,
The RNC will not get one red cent from me if they support these 3 RINOs for their re-elections! Mainly because most of my money will be going to pay this bill!
But I will support, with whatever I can, anyone who runs against them!
These 3 rinos just mortgaged my Grandchildrens' futures. And my 2 kids are 11 and 7, so having grandchildren is 10 to 15 years away.
The ship is sinking, every man for himself...
| 630 |
SFGoth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:00am |
Funny how we couldn't get 37 Repubs to vote against Bush's spending.
| 631 |
Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:18am |
re: #509 quickjustice
The people instigating the "run" on the U.S. money markets also might have been foreign governments acting in concert. The Chinese, the Venezuelans, the Iranians, the North Koreans, or the Arabs could have done it.
i read something about that in the Asia Times. Seems the article was about the law of unintended consequences and how it was supposed we could go down and they'd be ok. It stopped when they discovered that no indeedy they would go down with us. Asia (read China, the ME) was somewhat surprised to discover that if we die they take it too.
I remember this article very clearly. wish i had a link.
| 632 |
gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:25am |
re: #578 UberInfidel67
Now we need you to rework the lyrics of "Godzilla" to "Porkzilla".
/I forget who sang Godzilla : /
| 634 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:37am |
Oh, let's play the "Blame Bush" game! It will never get old, it seems.
| 635 |
tackle Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:56am |
re: #612 republic
Rush told anyone who wants a job, or a car, or a kitchen, to call the White House, then call Nancy Pelalegosi, then call Harry Reid.
I love it.
I hate how these people treat us like we're incompetent morons. During the townhall I recall Obama taking about the difficulty of doing so much paperwork for something. Gah!
| 636 |
Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:06am |
| 637 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:20am |
re: #605 Kosh's Shadow
Caligula appointed his horse to the Roman Senate. The horse would have been a better senator than 61 of ours; he would have voted "Nay".
Ours are a bunch of horse's asses.
Give that horse the gavel! STOMP STOMP STOMP.
| 638 |
SFGoth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:39am |
re: #629 scannit
FWIW,
The RNC will not get one red cent from me if they support these 3 RINOs for their re-elections! Mainly because most of my money will be going to pay this bill!
Didn't Bush support all 3 in election fights? FDR had Hoover, Carter had Ford, and Obama's got Bush. We just get shafted.
| 639 |
soccerdad Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:41am |
I just sooo embarrassed to be from pennsylvania right now. A dem and a RINO...
The only thing that makes me feel better is that I emailed both the idiots ahead of the vote and expressed my wishes that they not vote for the package.
| 640 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:44am |
re: #619 unreconstructed rebel
Just how did the Republicans maneuver themselves into this state of affairs? Talk about bad Karma.
They tried to be like the Dems in their wasteful spending when they had the majority.
| 641 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:52am |
re: #621 capitalist piglet
I'm not a sir, but even a "sweetie" can catch on in Obamaland. : )
OMG, I'm sorry ma'am. (Hangs head in shame.)
Promise I won't make that mistake again!
| 643 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:14:21am |
Under 7930, again - expect trouble if we see a break much lower.
| 644 |
quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:14:25am |
re: #514 jester6
I heard "card check" discussed by a "Right to Work" advocate last night at my GOP meeting. He said the legislation enacting card check is layered with several other pro-organized labor provisions, including mandatory arbitration by Obama-appointed arbitrators in unionized shops.
The union legislative strategy, which is very clever, will be to drop their demands for card check in exchange for other pro-union provisions that are equally toxic.
| 645 |
opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:14:30am |
re: #625 realwest
You are correct: people will die. And probably in more pain than they would otherwise need to be.
This is not meant as hyperbole, but Obama is a guy that actually defended infanticide. Nothing is really beneath the guy in the area of healthcare.
| 646 |
DeafDog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:14:34am |
re: #310 quickjustice
You're mistaken about the repeal of Glass-Steagle (sp). The termination of the separation of investment banking from commercial banking didn't cause the current crisis.
The repeal of Glass-Stengle allowed the creation of bohemoth financial institutions. When those behemoths failed, things got bad in a hurry. The repeal may not have caused the crisis, but it facilitated the downfall.
| 647 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:15:26am |
re: #527 Cygnus
Welcome to the club. I was laid off a month. Good luck to you.
2 months ago for me.
I WANT MY GOVERNMENT CHEESE!
| 648 |
Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:15:35am |
re: #643 Guanxi88
Under 7930, again - expect trouble if we see a break much lower.
This ain't trouble? "Nobody knows the trouble I've......"
| 649 |
chicagodudewhotrades Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:15:49am |
i'm just jumping right into the middle of this thread, I apoligize if this question has already been asked. the vote was 61-37 with 1 vote not voting. that brings the total to 99. who didn't vote? plus that real-time election coverage on Israelycools site is well, pretty cool
| 650 |
nikis-knight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:01am |
re: #516 Killgore Trout
If the Republicans were in they'd be voting to waste the money in slightly different ways but the money would still be wasted. Partisans only get upset when the other side wastes money. Neither party has shown any financial responsibility. The bill might work or it might not. We'll have to wait and see but either way it's not the end of the world. Personally, I hope it works.
I don't have enough hope for that, but sure, I'd prefer it if this gave me my unicorn, finally. Or, less sarcastically, did lead to productive jobs and all that.
| 651 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:05am |
| 652 |
quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:13am |
re: #581 subsailor68
Great read! It's more political in tone, however. Shlaes's book is more balanced and scholarly. She criticizes both Hoover and Roosevelt for their foolish interventions.
| 653 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:27am |
Anyone know what time they passed the Stimu-less© Bill?
Heck...let me take a guess.
| 654 |
SFGoth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:31am |
re: #634 FurryOldGuyJeans
Oh, let's play the "Blame Bush" game! It will never get old, it seems.
Maybe if he hadn't started the whole rush to mortgage the future.... He DID support that stupid plan last Fall, remember? Of course, when was the last (or only) time Bush refused to spend Gov't $? Oh right, stem cell research. (Though I agree with it) that was *such* a tough call to make.... But he sure spent on everything that his buddy Teddy wanted.
| 655 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:33am |
re: #646 DeafDog
The repeal of Glass-Stengle allowed the creation of bohemoth financial institutions. When those behemoths failed, things got bad in a hurry. The repeal may not have caused the crisis, but it facilitated the downfall.
Yeah, but he was a heck of a baseball manager.
(Just teasing...I know you just hit the "n" instead of the "a")
| 657 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:58am |
re: #641 subsailor68
OMG, I'm sorry ma'am. (Hangs head in shame.)
Promise I won't make that mistake again!
That's okay. It happens a lot! I thought changing my avatar would help, but nope! LOL (Maybe I look like a dude.)
| 658 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:23am |
re: #648 Nevergiveup
This ain't trouble? "Nobody knows the trouble I've......"
7,921 as of just a minute ago.
If the market closes down for the week, and doesn't recover (return to pre-Porkulus levels) by the end of the month, then I think it's safe to say that the investors will have passed judgment on the plan.
| 659 |
nyc redneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:25am |
re: #586 ichef
On Rush he's talking about the "Townhall"...
Some lady wants PrezBO to buy her a car (a small one that can carry a family), a bathroom and kitchen (assuming she wants the rest of the house to go with that).
College "Dude" working at McDonalds for 4 1/2 years wants PrezBO to have the franchiser that risked over 2 million to start a restaurant, has to pay royalties out the yingyang, a business that mostly is considered "entry level" job to pay more "benefits" cause this guy seems to either not be able to move up or in a "college town" find another gig./Daddy O what are you going to gimme today?
O's answer to julio who worked at mcd's was: 'uh so you uh have an uh job,
uh you should be proud. you can be proud'.
PROUD?
that was not what the minimum wage worker was expecting at all.
he was bitching abt. his burger job.
he wanted his promised reward from O.
not an admonition to be proud. LOL
i'm betting this guy is starting to realize his check is not in the mail.
| 660 |
Picayune Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:33am |
Sen. McConnell now on Fox News presser - calls Porkapalooozza the Europeanization of America, with % of US Gov spending of GDP to now almost double from around 20% to just under 40%.
Now that's sooooome change. God help us.
| 661 |
IgofAntioch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:48am |
What happened to all the "conservative democrats" that ran a more conservative campaign against the more moderate republicans in the last election and won?
| 662 |
SummerSong Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:48am |
re: #513 gmsc
As far as stocks go:
1) You should be buying and holding for the long term, anyway.
2) Now is a good time to put money in, with prices so low and all. It's akin to planting a tree as an expression of faith in the future.
3) If you invested in the market the day before the 1929 crash, and held on to it for the next 20 years, you would've had a market return that's among the great in the history of returns of stocks held over 20 years.
You are assuming that all investors have 20 years to wait.
| 663 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:48am |
Got to love these idiot Senators trying to defend the porkulus bill:
Bush and Wasteful Spending, Bad.
Obama and Even More Wasteful Spending, Good!
| 664 |
SFGoth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:03am |
re: #646 DeafDog
The repeal of Glass-Stengle allowed the creation of bohemoth financial institutions. When those behemoths failed, things got bad in a hurry. The repeal may not have caused the crisis, but it facilitated the downfall.
Isn't that called putting all your eggs in one basket?
| 665 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:05am |
re: #652 quickjustice
Great read! It's more political in tone, however. Shlaes's book is more balanced and scholarly. She criticizes both Hoover and Roosevelt for their foolish interventions.
Thanks...sounds like it's still worth the investment. And I concur about Schlaes' book...it rapidly became a favorite of mine.
| 666 |
albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:07am |
re: #657 capitalist piglet
That's okay. It happens a lot! I thought changing my avatar would help, but nope! LOL (Maybe I look like a dude.)
ah I don't think so...no
| 667 |
republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:07am |
re: #635 tackle
I hate how these people treat us like we're incompetent morons. During the townhall I recall Obama taking about the difficulty of doing so much paperwork for something. Gah!
Incompetant morons are the only people who are ever around these leftist kook Demonrats, thus, they think that most Americans are.
It wasn't more obvious than in the 2006 and 2008 elections, where most Americans were genuine incompetant morons.
| 668 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:23am |
re: #657 capitalist piglet
That's okay. It happens a lot! I thought changing my avatar would help, but nope! LOL (Maybe I look like a dude.)
It looks female to me.
| 669 |
Silhouette Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:54am |
re: #606 brookly red
bayer makes cipro
To this day, I have a hard time forgiving Bayer for the company's role in the Holocaust.
| 670 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:30am |
| 671 |
nikis-knight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:32am |
re: #573 quickjustice
Personally, I'd buy some real estate or commodities to hedge against inflation. (Buying low always is a good thing). Gold isn't as good an investment. It'll appreciate as against inflation, but won't give you any investment "lift" beyond that.
Just, uh, keep it to real estate you can actually afford, okay? ;)
| 672 |
brookly red Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:40am |
re: #662 SummerSong
You are assuming that all investors have 20 years to wait.
ahhh, that is where the health care part comes in.
| 673 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:46am |
re: #657 capitalist piglet
That's okay. It happens a lot! I thought changing my avatar would help, but nope! LOL (Maybe I look like a dude.)
Oops. I should have noticed. Hey, did I mention I'm old, with really bad eyesight?
| 674 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:48am |
re: #654 SFGoth
Maybe if he hadn't started the whole rush to mortgage the future.... He DID support that stupid plan last Fall, remember? Of course, when was the last (or only) time Bush refused to spend Gov't $? Oh right, stem cell research. (Though I agree with it) that was *such* a tough call to make.... But he sure spent on everything that his buddy Teddy wanted.
Yet Congress sure didn't show any fiscal restraint, Ds AND Rs, in any of the bloated bills they sent for Bush's signature. So you just want to blame Bush for the mess?
| 676 |
SummerSong Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:53am |
I'm just trading the volatility. Swing trades. Range trades.
| 677 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:20:19am |
The do- gooders may have provided us with an out, after all.
There's been a policy for some time which relocates wild mustangs from overpopulated herds to willing ranches throughout the West for boarding at a handsome daily fee to the ranchers.
Much valuable grazing land is now feeding useless nags instead of cattle, but here's the out- we can sell these horses to France and gain some serious Euros. There are millions to be made!
| 678 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:14am |
I strongly suggest reading this from Glenn Beck.
The Nine Principles
1. America is good.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
If you agree with this, click the link.
| 679 |
vxbush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:40am |
Well, I've had so much to do I haven't even been online until this afternoon. And this is the news I hear. Perhaps I should go drown myself in chocolate. At least it would be a tasty way to go.
| 680 |
brookly red Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:42am |
re: #669 Silhouette
To this day, I have a hard time forgiving Bayer for the company's role in the Holocaust.
i don't think any of the origanal cast are still there, but i get your point.
| 681 |
Jetpilot1101 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:44am |
re: #676 SummerSong
I'm just trading the volatility. Swing trades. Range trades.
Short the big debtors - they are going to take it in the shorts along with the federal government. I'm playing the inflation angle and investing in oil and a fund that returns double the inverse of the 30 year bond (RYJUX)
| 682 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:44am |
re: #668 pre-Boomer Marine brat
It looks female to me.
Double-yay!
I used to have a cartoon pig that looked sort of masculine. Plus, I have a blunt way of communicating at times. I guess that's the source of the confusion.
| 683 |
Killer Tomato Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:44am |
re: #576 republic
realwest, the Federal Govt would decide the cost/benefit of each diagnosis and plan of treatment.
If there is no real benefit, according to a govt bureaucracy, there will be no treatment.
Is there somewhere where this is spelled out in plain English? Be helpful if I had something/place to point people to.
| 684 |
nikis-knight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:59am |
re: #607 Honorary Yooper
Yes, "New Deal or Raw Deal" by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. I read it, and found it to be most interesting and informative. BTW, did you know FDR used lucky numbers to figure how some of what he was going to do?
Kind of like "770 billion is a nice large sounding number"
| 685 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:03am |
7,914 - it's like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.
| 686 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:04am |
re: #676 SummerSong
I'm just trading the volatility. Swing trades. Range trades.
Right! I'm makin' a hundred here and there... and lovin' every minute of it.
| 687 |
jcm Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:08am |
Can I opt out of stimulus?
I'll promise to only pay taxes on infrastructure I use. But will take care of my own health and retirement.
| 688 |
GCPSteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:14am |
Pardon me if this has been asked already....
Does anyone know if the 50 million to the NEA is still included?
Tons of jobs that'll create.
/
| 689 |
Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:17am |
re: #602 capitalist piglet
This just breaks my heart.
thanks man. the future is scary for me in so many ways. right now hes deployed to Iraq and i was happy. believe it or not i consider him SAFE in Anbar. but thrown into Afghanistan, his likely next tour, unsupported and underfunded with no clear plans ... my stomach flops over and i just have to remind myself hes a badass who can take care of himself.
| 690 |
albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:19am |
re: #673 subsailor68
Oops. I should have noticed. Hey, did I mention I'm old, with really bad eyesight?
too late....SMACK!
| 691 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:25am |
re: #673 subsailor68
Oops. I should have noticed. Hey, did I mention I'm old, with really bad eyesight?
Is that why they didn't let you stand top watches?
Binoculars in the crows nest?
*duck*
| 692 |
opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:59am |
My Friends (Channeling John McCain) , we are now in Oprahland.
Oprah launched this guy, & his glassy eyed supporters seem like people that would take marriage advice from her.
So what if she has never been married, she's Oprah damn it!
| 693 |
loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:23:13am |
re: #535 realwest
Oh yes, having everyone's medical records (with the probable exception of President Obama's medical records) in one Federally controlled data base does not bode well for the privacy rights of citizens.
My point was, however, that my privacy rights take second place to me and my mom's staying alive.
You have nothing if you don't have your health....
| 694 |
ichef Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:23:24am |
On "Electronic Medical Records" ...
I take my Father in Law to a small VA Hospital several times a year and this is my observation of "government healthcare". The doctors at the VA spend 98% of their time on a computer. I have no idea what they are typing or if they are playing solitaire, I don't care. Patient care SUFFERS and I have no idea where these records go cause EVERYTIME we go in for a visit it's like we have NEVER been there, same questions, same waste of time. So I don't know where these "electronic medical records" that thousands of very expensive doctor man hours are used to produce but they don't seem to "stay" in the computers that produced them. So like everything else the government does it goes down a big black hole never to be seen again like our money.
| 696 |
Erik The Red Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:23:51am |
Evening Lizards. I am late to this thread.
I am so PISSED OFF that this comment may seem disjointed. I can not believe that this soft cock plan passed. Just look at the market, it loved it.
Fuck the RINO's that voted for this. My Great Grand Kids will be paying for this plan.
I am still returning to the US in May. But shit it has just been made harder.
FUCK FUCK FUCK, FUCKING SHIT HEADS.
| 697 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:23:59am |
re: #673 subsailor68
Oops. I should have noticed. Hey, did I mention I'm old, with really bad eyesight?
No, but (totally OT, sorry) my best friend was on the U.S.S. Kittiwake, and every time I see your screen name I wonder if you're familiar with his ship.
| 698 |
Opinionated Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:15am |
Geithner was supposed to be so indispensable that it didn't matter that he was a tax cheat.
The Street is unimpressed by the plan concocted by the indispensable man.
Three hundred and sixty points unimpressed.
| 699 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:18am |
re: #691 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Is that why they didn't let you stand top watches?
Binoculars in the crows nest?
*duck*
Well, they did, until the time I was on lookout when we smacked into a 67 VW bus parked on the pier.
| 700 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:19am |
re: #657 capitalist piglet
That's okay. It happens a lot! I thought changing my avatar would help, but nope! LOL (Maybe I look like a dude.)
Your previous avatar did look like a dude, but no mistaking that your new one is a girl :)
| 701 |
loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:27am |
re: #462 quickjustice
Once the government is paying for your health care, your "privacy" rights in your health care information cease to exist as against the government paymasters except the fig leaf given you by the HIPAA regulations.
HIPAA is a joke. I request records all of the time via fax - total no no.
| 702 |
realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:33am |
re: #516 Killgore Trout
Killgore - with all due respects, as I've mentioned MANY TIMES, Bush spent money like it was water; but if you take out the funding of the Afgahn War, The Iraq War and Katrina, he wasn't so fiscally irresponsible.
But what concerns me the most is that the REPUBLICANS would never "federalize" health care the way the stealth health care provisions do in the bill just passed.
I'm glad you're glad it's passed Killgore. But this bill, as currently written and interpeted, will kill me and my mother. Thanks for your concern.
| 703 |
Jetpilot1101 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:40am |
re: #694 ichef
My doctor friend is huge oponent of EMR for the reasons you mentioned; too much time spent typing int he computer and too little time taking care of patients.
| 704 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:40am |
re: #693 loppyd
You have nothing if you don't have your health....
yes, but wealth is better than health, for financial reasons. As Woody Allen pointed out, you can walk into any deli the world, and the fact that you've got great muscle tone, never catch a cold, and have a resting heart-rate of 40 won't get you a pound pastrami. Money will.
| 705 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:42am |
re: #693 loppyd
You have nothing if you don't have your health....
And the government will get to determine what you get.
| 706 |
jcm Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:42am |
re: #691 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Is that why they didn't let you stand top watches?
Binoculars in the crows nest?
*duck*
Don't need good eyesight on a sub.... just sensitive feet.
Feet wet? BAD!
*duck and run*
| 708 |
quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:06am |
re: #629 scannit
Then you won't be donating. It's well-known that the RSCC will support incumbent GOP senators standing for re-election no matter what their records. That's because they can't persuade people to run for Senate if they thing the GOP will turn on them if they vote "incorrectly".
| 709 |
SummerSong Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:07am |
re: #681 Jetpilot1101
Short the big debtors - they are going to take it in the shorts along with the federal government. I'm playing the inflation angle and investing in oil and a fund that returns double the inverse of the 30 year bond (RYJUX)
I have a margin account, but I haven't used it.
I'll look at RYJUX. Thanks. ENER is a good swing.
| 710 |
albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:07am |
re: #687 jcm
Can I opt out of stimulus?
I'll promise to only pay taxes on infrastructure I use. But will take care of my own health and retirement.
it would be a sweet deal if they cut you all your SS up front...I'd even leave the country as part of the deal
| 711 |
outsidephilly Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:12am |
re: #639 soccerdad
I just sooo embarrassed to be from pennsylvania right now. A dem and a RINO...
The only thing that makes me feel better is that I emailed both the idiots ahead of the vote and expressed my wishes that they not vote for the package.
I. too, am extremely embarrassed . . . . , I've submitted my request to meet with Specter; I just want to speak with him, face to face.
Isn't it interesting that Senator Casey traveled to Coatesville, yesterday, and met with the residents and listen to their plight with all the recent arson fires. Yet, Mr. Specter hasn't shown his face (and Coatesville is only 55 minutes from his philly office & home)
| 712 |
BigAl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:15am |
It is essential the GOP and the 'blue dogs' hold firm in Congress. If engineered correctly the GOP can make big gains in'10. I think Michael Steele is the right guy. No sense whining. There is work to do.
Market @ 7915. Obama is a huge mistake!
| 713 |
IslandLibertarian Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:16am |
And on the 22nd day, "0" created the "Spendulus".
And it wasn't good.
And the "0' said, "Now I am remaking America."
And our Forefathers shivered in their graves.
And the ghosts of Marx and Lenin rejoiced.
And my 401K again shrank towards nothingness.
| 714 |
BakaRanger Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:18am |
Forget jobs:
Let's all sit on our rooftops and hold up crudely written cardboard signs that read "You Owe Us".
| 715 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:28am |
re: #649 chicagodudewhotrades
i'm just jumping right into the middle of this thread, I apoligize if this question has already been asked. the vote was 61-37 with 1 vote not voting. that brings the total to 99. who didn't vote? plus that real-time election coverage on Israelycools site is well, pretty cool
Minnesota is still short one Senator.
| 716 |
eschew_obfuscation Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:39am |
| 717 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:46am |
| 718 |
jcm Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:49am |
re: #696 Erik The Red
Evening Lizards. I am late to this thread.
I am so PISSED OFF that this comment may seem disjointed. I can not believe that this soft cock plan passed. Just look at the market, it loved it.
Fuck the RINO's that voted for this. My Great Grand Kids will be paying for this plan.
I am still returning to the US in May. But shit it has just been made harder.
FUCK FUCK FUCK, FUCKING SHIT HEADS.
Quit holding back, tell us how you REALLY feel.
| 719 |
Jetpilot1101 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:02am |
re: #709 SummerSong
I have a margin account, but I haven't used it.
I'll look at RYJUX. Thanks. ENER is a good swing.
Yeah I rode ENER from 25 to 82 last year and I'm going to swing trade it this year.
| 720 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:23am |
re: #685 Guanxi88
7,914 - it's like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.
We saw the switch thrown to lead the train over the cliff back in November.
Now we're watching the engineer hit the throttle instead of the brakes.
(However, in terms of the economy, that's reversed; they're hitting the brakes while letting the boiler explode)
| 721 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:30am |
re: #697 capitalist piglet
No, but (totally OT, sorry) my best friend was on the U.S.S. Kittiwake, and every time I see your screen name I wonder if you're familiar with his ship.
Way cool! I've heard of it, but IIRC it operated out of the East Coast, and I was always a West Coast sailor (San Diego and Pearl Harbor).
| 723 |
jcm Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:42am |
re: #710 albusteve
it would be a sweet deal if they cut you all your SS up front...I'd even leave the country as part of the deal
You'd get more return on the money in a damn CD.
| 724 |
Erik The Red Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:43am |
re: #707 loppyd
You just said what I feel.
That was mild. I type badly you do not want to hear me now.
| 725 |
loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:45am |
re: #704 Guanxi88
yes, but wealth is better than health, for financial reasons. As Woody Allen pointed out, you can walk into any deli the world, and the fact that you've got great muscle tone, never catch a cold, and have a resting heart-rate of 40 won't get you a pound pastrami. Money will.
And money will buy you health care - especially if this crap is allowed to happen.
Imagine the black market?
| 726 |
DeafDog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:50am |
re: #516 Killgore Trout
If the Republicans were in they'd be voting to waste the money in slightly different ways but the money would still be wasted. Partisans only get upset when the other side wastes money. Neither party has shown any financial responsibility. The bill might work or it might not. We'll have to wait and see but either way it's not the end of the world. Personally, I hope it works.
I closed on a home refinancing last friday.....kinda my own deafdog stimulus package! My point is that the economy will recover with or without this stimulus package.
Will this package spur the recover? Perhaps, but if it does, it will be at the cost of inflation. Even the CBO says that this package will crowd out financial markets from private companies.
| 727 |
Silhouette Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:01am |
re: #649 chicagodudewhotrades
i'm just jumping right into the middle of this thread, I apoligize if this question has already been asked. the vote was 61-37 with 1 vote not voting. that brings the total to 99. who didn't vote? plus that real-time election coverage on Israelycools site is well, pretty cool
The Minnesota seat is still in contention, yes? Coleman took it to court, last I heard.
| 728 |
Opinionated Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:03am |
They told me if I voted for McCain -who was clueless about the economy-the Market would go down.
I voted for McCain.
The Market is down.
| 729 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:06am |
re: #704 Guanxi88
yes, but wealth is better than health, for financial reasons. As Woody Allen pointed out, you can walk into any deli the world, and the fact that you've got great muscle tone, never catch a cold, and have a resting heart-rate of 40 won't get you a pound pastrami. Money will.
That explains the guy on the corner holding the "Will Flex Quads for Food" sign.
| 730 |
turn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:15am |
re: #695 Dianna
Hey Dianna, was the name of that author you said you were friends with Joshi?
| 731 |
capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:19am |
re: #689 Karagush
thanks man. the future is scary for me in so many ways. right now hes deployed to Iraq and i was happy. believe it or not i consider him SAFE in Anbar. but thrown into Afghanistan, his likely next tour, unsupported and underfunded with no clear plans ... my stomach flops over and i just have to remind myself hes a badass who can take care of himself.
I'll keep him in my prayers.
My father survived Iwo Jima, and odds were much worse in those days - hang on to your positive thoughts.
| 732 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:28am |
re: #725 loppyd
And money will buy you health care - especially if this crap is allowed to happen.
Imagine the black market?
If only I could find a way to position myself to jump in that direction!
| 734 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:38am |
re: #695 Dianna
Principle two doesn't apply to me.
Did you read the article? It actually states that if you agree with 7 of the 9 then they ask that you contact them. They want a picture, but I am sure if you are not comfortable with that then just hearing from you would be good. And if you want tell them which principles you agree with.
| 735 |
chicagodudewhotrades Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:42am |
re: #715 OldLineTexan
okay. thanks
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Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:56am |
re: #685 Guanxi88
7,914 - it's like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.
And you're sitting in one of the passenger cars, totally helpless to stop it.
| 737 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:58am |
re: #702 realwest
But what concerns me the most is that the REPUBLICANS would never "federalize" health care the way the stealth health care provisions do in the bill just passed.
I'm glad you're glad it's passed Killgore. But this bill, as currently written and interpeted, will kill me and my mother. Thanks for your concern.
Bush "Federalized" the banks. I have little doubt he would have gone further and Republicans would have gone along with it.
I'm not happy it passed. I'm pretty agnostic on this because I don't understand economics very well. I'm just saying that I hope it works and the country recovers soon.
| 738 |
vxbush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:11am |
re: #703 Jetpilot1101
My doctor friend is huge oponent of EMR for the reasons you mentioned; too much time spent typing int he computer and too little time taking care of patients.
I've seen how long it takes to fill out most of these forms. Almost all are horribly designed and require tons of rework to implement the requirements the doctors send down to try and make them more usable. It has potential, but the security issues are horrific.
| 739 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:12am |
re: #706 jcm
Don't need good eyesight on a sub.... just sensitive feet.
Feet wet? BAD!*duck and run*
Sharing bunk with a sea kitten BAD, BAD, BAD...on a sub...
| 740 |
quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:40am |
re: #664 SFGoth
It's a two-edged sword. As another commentator pointed out, the "behemoths" were able to acquire other failing financial institutions, averting much worse economic damage, because of the repeal of Glass Steagle.
| 741 |
SFGoth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:42am |
re: #674 FurryOldGuyJeans
Yet Congress sure didn't show any fiscal restraint, Ds AND Rs, in any of the bloated bills they sent for Bush's signature. So you just want to blame Bush for the mess?
Bush made it OK to say that conservatives love to spend $ too. (Yeah, go convince libs that Bush isn't conservative, until you're blue in the face.) Yes, I blame Bush. He refused to hold the line and actually pushed it hard. I don't want to blame *just* Bush, but certainly include him. Now, while you're castigating me, why don't you defend him? Go ahead, this oughta be entertaining.
| 742 |
Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:44am |
re: #727 Silhouette
The Minnesota seat is still in contention, yes? Coleman took it to court, last I heard.
And his case looks pretty good, actually.
| 743 |
loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:55am |
As pissed as I am at the three turncoat excuses for Republicans who voted for this mess, I would like to say thank you to the following senators:
NAYs ---37
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)
| 744 |
NYCHardhat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:29:17am |
When does the free gas and mortgage start? I need mine.
| 745 |
gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:29:19am |
re: #578 UberInfidel67
Now we need you to rework the lyrics of "Godzilla" to "Porkzilla".
/I forget who sang Godzilla : /
If you're looking for a monster to represent all this wasteful spending, here's one suggestion:
| 746 |
bombarafat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:29:39am |
Why doesn't Specter just swap parties already?
| 747 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:29:41am |
re: #706 jcm
Don't need good eyesight on a sub.... just sensitive feet.
Feet wet? BAD!*duck and run*
LOL! That should have been Day 1, Lesson 1 in sub school.
| 748 |
loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:03am |
re: #732 Guanxi88
If only I could find a way to position myself to jump in that direction!
Ultrasound tech or MRI tech may be the way to go....we could set up an exclusive private clinic - cash only.
| 749 |
Amer-I-Can Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:03am |
re: #634 FurryOldGuyJeans
Oh, let's play the "Blame Bush" game! It will never get old, it seems.
LOL, BDS will never get old... it is in their genetic fiber now. I figure that President Bush is a wide shouldered scape goat for about... oh, four years or so? Then we can move on to the next adventure.
OTO, OTO, OTO
| 751 |
Dianna Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:12am |
re: #730 turn
Hey Dianna, was the name of that author you said you were friends with Joshi?
John Ringo?
| 752 |
SummerSong Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:35am |
| 753 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:56am |
re: #701 loppyd
HIPAA is a joke. I request records all of the time via fax - total no no.
My doctor's office is computerized. They have laptops in the examining room, with wired network connections. So far, good.
The nurses make sure they're logged out or locked the workstation when they leave. Also good. The doctor does not. If I were unscrupulous, I'd have quite a bit of access.
That is, except for the last visit, right after an ice storm, when their network wasn't working and they couldn't access the records, set up appointments, etc. (That's what they get for using the cable TV company for networking. I do hope the actual data is encrypted or over a VPN; I'd hate to think anyone on the same cable segment can read the data.)
| 755 |
Jetpilot1101 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:31:06am |
re: #709 SummerSong
I have a margin account, but I haven't used it.
I'll look at RYJUX. Thanks. ENER is a good swing.
I mistyped - it isn't double the inverse, just the inverse. I'm looking at a few funds right now and they are double but not this one, it's just the inverse.
| 756 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:31:19am |
re: #751 Dianna
John Ringo?
"Why, Johnny Ringo... you look like someone just walked over your grave."
| 757 |
albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:31:43am |
re: #746 bombarafat
Why doesn't Specter just swap parties already?
that's exactly what M Steele should ask him...and the others...I hope the blowback takes them all down...I hate the feds
| 760 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:25am |
re: #726 DeafDog
Will this package spur the recover? Perhaps, but if it does, it will be at the cost of inflation.
Last I heard inflation risk was pretty low but you might be right....
Gold rises on doubts about government plans
Also helping gold move higher was speculation that the $800 billion-plus U.S. stimulus plan may boost inflation in the longer term, increasing the metal's appeal as a hedge against rising prices.
| 761 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:28am |
I'm just trying to stay "zen" about the whole damn thing, for the moment.
| 762 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:30am |
re: #755 Jetpilot1101
I mistyped - it isn't double the inverse, just the inverse. I'm looking at a few funds right now and they are double but not this one, it's just the inverse.
OHHHH. Inverse. All my funds are Reverse. I see ...
/
| 763 |
NYCHardhat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:34am |
re: #756 Occasional Reader
"Why, Johnny Ringo... you look like someone just walked over your grave."
You're no daisy.
| 764 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:42am |
re: #741 SFGoth
Bush made it OK to say that conservatives love to spend $ too. (Yeah, go convince libs that Bush isn't conservative, until you're blue in the face.) Yes, I blame Bush. He refused to hold the line and actually pushed it hard. I don't want to blame *just* Bush, but certainly include him. Now, while you're castigating me, why don't you defend him? Go ahead, this oughta be entertaining.
You obviously have mistaken me for someone else if you think I am inclined in any way, shape, or form to defend Bush on his fiscal orgy.
| 765 |
loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:56am |
re: #753 Kosh's Shadow
My doctor's office is computerized. They have laptops in the examining room, with wired network connections. So far, good.
The nurses make sure they're logged out or locked the workstation when they leave. Also good. The doctor does not. If I were unscrupulous, I'd have quite a bit of access.
That is, except for the last visit, right after an ice storm, when their network wasn't working and they couldn't access the records, set up appointments, etc. (That's what they get for using the cable TV company for networking. I do hope the actual data is encrypted or over a VPN; I'd hate to think anyone on the same cable segment can read the data.)
My doctor also uses laptops in the exam room, orders my Rx right from there which is very cool.
VPN or not, that doesn't prevent someone in the government with access from leaking your records if it suits them.
| 766 |
KibbyKat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:02am |
re: #757 albusteve
that's exactly what M Steele should ask him...and the others...I hope the blowback takes them all down...I hate the feds
Fingers crossed Steele can get us back on course.
| 767 |
tackle Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:06am |
re: #761 Occasional Reader
I'm just trying to stay "zen" about the whole damn thing, for the moment.
I can't find my inner chi anywhere. Damn.
| 768 |
abaleh Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:13am |
re: #747 subsailor68
LOL! That should have been Day 1, Lesson 1 in sub school.
When people found out that I didn't like the sea and didn't like swimming in it, they couldn't understand how I served in submarines. I'd always tell them that as a submariner, the last thing I want is to be "swimming in the sea" (I've since changed my ways and love going to the beach and taking a dip).
| 769 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:15am |
re: #751 Dianna
John Ringo?
You're friends with John Ringo? Please pass along that I thought "The Last Centurion" was absolutely terrific!
| 770 |
SummerSong Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:18am |
re: #755 Jetpilot1101
I mistyped - it isn't double the inverse, just the inverse. I'm looking at a few funds right now and they are double but not this one, it's just the inverse.
Got'cha. Thanks
| 772 |
Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:30am |
| 773 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:32am |
re: #756 Occasional Reader
"Why, Johnny Ringo... you look like someone just walked over your grave."
I would never publicaly admit I like Tombstone, but I love Kilmer as Doc Holiday.
| 774 |
eschew_obfuscation Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:54am |
re: #696 Erik The Red
Evening Lizards. I am late to this thread.
I am so PISSED OFF that this comment may seem disjointed. I can not believe that this soft cock plan passed. Just look at the market, it loved it.
Fuck the RINO's that voted for this. My Great Grand Kids will be paying for this plan.
I am still returning to the US in May. But shit it has just been made harder.
FUCK FUCK FUCK, FUCKING SHIT HEADS.
Erik Kartman! WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!
/Mr. Garrison
| 775 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:04am |
| 776 |
turn Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:12am |
re: #751 Dianna
John Ringo?
That was it, sorry. OR made some weird reference to cthulhu in a post to you the other day. I researched that and found out it was a reference to H.P. Lovecraft, which I assumed you were a big fan of. The big Lovecraft expert is Joshi, I thought that might be the connection. That is all ...
| 777 |
SFGoth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:21am |
re: #764 FurryOldGuyJeans
You obviously have mistaken me for someone else if you think I am inclined in any way, shape, or form to defend Bush on his fiscal orgy.
Glad to make that mistake -- well, I mean, glad it was called out.
May there never be another president related to George Prescott Bush.
| 778 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:26am |
re: #773 Creeping Eruption
I would never publicaly admit I like Tombstone,
Why not? It was a very well-done Western.
| 779 |
realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:26am |
re: #554 rw in san diego
Hi rw! Well I've done all I can do. I e-mailed over 50 people last night and made the same comment on three different threads out here last night, all about the stealth health care portions of this bill.
Either enough folks feel the way Killgore does, or couldn't find the time to write e-mails or make phone calls or for that matter even comment on my comments out here for my efforts to have any effect.
Somebody else wants to be out front on this, good for them and I'll support them. They could start by trying to find out who the "Blue Dog Democrats" are and getting their e-mail addys, at least, and pubishing them out here (or rather a link to those e-mail addys since Charles doesn't want e-mails posted out here). But other than that, I'm done.
And unless the conference committee changes some of the health care portions of this bill, I'm really finished.
| 780 |
Erik The Red Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:33am |
DOW down 367 points. Good job 44. 5% in one day. That's the way to lead. Carry on. Deliver not onto evil but into the pit of the abyss.
My mind is all over the place most of the time. Now it is fried.
FUCK YOU 44 for the worst sell off this year.
YOU OWN THIS not GWB.
| 781 |
Dianna Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:35am |
re: #756 Occasional Reader
"Why, Johnny Ringo... you look like someone just walked over your grave."
"That's all right - I have two guns. I will shoot you both."
| 782 |
albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:38am |
re: #766 KibbyKat
Fingers crossed Steele can get us back on course.
yes but the GOP needs a course first
| 783 |
loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:39am |
Well, this dreaded project isn't going to start itself.
Have a good afternoon, Lizard Nation.
| 784 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:44am |
re: #764 FurryOldGuyJeans
You obviously have mistaken me for someone else if you think I am inclined in any way, shape, or form to defend Bush on his fiscal orgy.
Jonah Goldberg put it best - Bush spent money like a monkey in a crack experiment.
| 785 |
quickjustice Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:45am |
re: #738 vxbush
My brother, a physician, is completing his conversion of his office records to electronic versions. It's taken a year, and was a huge amount of work, but it has made his job easier, particularly the billing, e-prescribing, and work-at-home features. He thinks the technology can reduce errors and improve patient safety. He doesn't send his patients' medical records to the government for review, however, for privacy reasons.
Obama's health care system will mandate that he divulge his patients' medical information to the government.
| 786 |
nikis-knight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:17am |
re: #687 jcm
Can I opt out of stimulus?
I'll promise to only pay taxes on infrastructure I use. But will take care of my own health and retirement.
Sure. In New Zealand.
Capitalism in a Small Country [Peter Robinson]
Communism, as Boris Yeltsin famously declared, should have been tried in a small country first. Now a trial run in a small country has started to look like the best hope for capitalism.Enter New Zealand.
Sir Roger Douglas, a prominent figure in the ACT Party, the party of traditional liberalism, has just proposed a sublimely simple new plan. Any New Zealander who agreed to provide for his own health insurance and retirement would receive his first $30,000 in income tax-free. And every dollar after that would be taxed at the flat rate of just 15 percent.
Michael Steele, book a flight to Wellington.
| 787 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:18am |
| 788 |
Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:27am |
re: #746 bombarafat
Why doesn't Specter just swap parties already?
He did once before, in the 1960s. He used to be a Democrat. His political views never changed, at any rate.
| 789 |
Silhouette Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:30am |
re: #742 Spiny Norman
And his case looks pretty good, actually.
I'm still worried. Just like it isn't the vote that counts, but the person that counts the vote that counts, it isn't always the person with the law and the facts on their side. In the meantime, I'll be optimistically pessimistic. :-
| 790 |
NYCHardhat Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:34am |
| 791 |
opnion Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:36am |
re: #757 albusteve
that's exactly what M Steele should ask him...and the others...I hope the blowback takes them all down...I hate the feds
As I understand it, Specter used to be a Democrat & switched to run for a particular seat.
| 792 |
albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:43am |
re: #773 Creeping Eruption
I would never publicaly admit I like Tombstone, but I love Kilmer as Doc Holiday.
that was a cool movie....another was 'Wild Bill'....with Jeff Bridges
| 793 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:59am |
re: #783 loppyd
Well, this dreaded project isn't going to start itself.
Have a good afternoon, Lizard Nation.
Is your Unicorn broken?
| 794 |
Dianna Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:09am |
re: #769 subsailor68
You're friends with John Ringo? Please pass along that I thought "The Last Centurion" was absolutely terrific!
I'll be happy to.
I hear he's thinking about maybe doing another novel in the same universe. How does that grab you?
I like the idea, even if I did feel he wouldn't have gotten TLC through if he were a first-time author.
| 795 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:11am |
re: #773 Creeping Eruption
I would never publicaly admit I like Tombstone,
As far a frozen pizza goes, its pretty good.
/
| 796 |
Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:22am |
re: #701 loppyd
HIPAA is a joke. I request records all of the time via fax - total no no.
That's pretty scary. Medical ID theft is becoming more of a problem all the time.
| 797 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:41am |
re: #792 albusteve
that was a cool movie....another was 'Wild Bill'....with Jeff Bridges
I have a soft spot in my heart for Judge Roy Bean. Over the top? Yeah. But two words:
Paul Newman
| 798 |
loppyd Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:42am |
re: #793 Creeping Eruption
Is your Unicorn broken?
LOL
I didn't vote for Barry so I don't get a unicorn....
Really gone now.
Latah Tatahs!
| 799 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:46am |
re: #784 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Jonah Goldberg put it best - Bush spent money like a monkey in a crack experiment.
Yet Bush couldn't have been so willing to spend if Congress hadn't kept sending him pork bills ad infinitum.
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Dianna Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:07am |
re: #776 turn
That was it, sorry. OR made some weird reference to cthulhu in a post to you the other day. I researched that and found out it was a reference to H.P. Lovecraft, which I assumed you were a big fan of. The big Lovecraft expert is Joshi, I thought that might be the connection. That is all ...
I love the Cthulu mythos.
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SFGoth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:21am |
re: #780 Erik The Red
DOW down 367 points. Good job 44. 5% in one day. That's the way to lead. Carry on. Deliver not onto evil but into the pit of the abyss.
My mind is all over the place most of the time. Now it is fried.
FUCK YOU 44 for the worst sell off this year.
YOU OWN THIS not GWB.
He shares ownership with Bush. Bush birthed it; Obama's the adopted father.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:29am |
re: #791 opnion
As I understand it, Specter used to be a Democrat & switched to run for a particular seat.
a whore
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redc1c4 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:33am |
re: #682 capitalist piglet
Double-yay!
I used to have a cartoon pig that looked sort of masculine. Plus, I have a blunt way of communicating at times. I guess that's the source of the confusion.
definitely female, and that's from another old guy with fadeing eyes....
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:35am |
re: #787 Creeping Eruption
Kurt Russel
A very under-rated actor, IMHO. He should have gotten an Oscar nom for Miracle.
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Cygnus Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:44am |
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:49am |
re: #681 Jetpilot1101
Short the big debtors - they are going to take it in the shorts along with the federal government. I'm playing the inflation angle and investing in oil and a fund that returns double the inverse of the 30 year bond (RYJUX)
Been working SSO and, right now, SDS - dumped DIG & SLB, yesterday, to hop on DUG. Actually thinking of going completely cash(loath the thought) and moving into Lol's bunker. Market+Obummer is just too freaky...it too many ways, all of which not.good.
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:52am |
re: #576 republic
"realwest, the Federal Govt would decide the cost/benefit of each diagnosis and plan of treatment.
If there is no real benefit, according to a govt bureaucracy, there will be no treatment."
I'm going on 64 and have what is possibly incurable cancer. My mom is 84 and a diabetic. I understand all of that quite well.
Thank you.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:00am |
re: #787 Creeping Eruption
Kurt Russel
Nothing wrong with Kurt Russell (except for The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes and a few others). Of course, as you noted, Kilmer stole the show.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:12am |
Oh and the *best* part of all of this... none of my Obamunist Hopenchange Kool-aid drinking friends are paying any attention at all to what is going on and are still in "party mode" ala the South Park episode.
Emperor Zero fiddled while America Burned.
Maybe they will wake up when they start getting laid off...
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Karagush Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:16am |
re: #731 capitalist piglet
I'll keep him in my prayers.
My father survived Iwo Jima, and odds were much worse in those days - hang on to your positive thoughts.
thank you for your prayers. that means alot to me. Today i am still in my jammies, no heart to get dressed, and im crying. My healthcare is gonna get scary, and i feel like the world didnt get made any safer today.
I liked the world we had. I liked our country. I didnt think it needed to be re-made.
I am terrified by that man who doesnt respect or love his servicemen. I truly believe he hates and fears them. Just like he feels about capitalism, and letting us make our own choices. Im scared. So scared.
like realwest this healthcare stuff is very bad news to me.
| 813 |
DeafDog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:22am |
re: #655 subsailor68
Yeah, but he was a heck of a baseball manager.
(Just teasing...I know you just hit the "n" instead of the "a")
Wooops
| 814 |
Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:33am |
re: #789 Silhouette
I'm still worried. Just like it isn't the vote that counts, but the person that counts the vote that counts, it isn't always the person with the law and the facts on their side. In the meantime, I'll be optimistically pessimistic. :-
Another thing: even should he prevail, there is some very real doubt that the Democrats would allow him to take his seat.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:41am |
re: #797 subsailor68
I have a soft spot in my heart for Judge Roy Bean. Over the top? Yeah. But two words:
Paul Newman
that is an absolute classic....much to enjoy there...all kinds of fun
| 816 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:39:19am |
re: #794 Dianna
I'll be happy to.
I hear he's thinking about maybe doing another novel in the same universe. How does that grab you?
I like the idea, even if I did feel he wouldn't have gotten TLC through if he were a first-time author.
That grabs me just fine. You're probably right about the first-time author issue, but I'm sure glad it made it through the gauntlet. Picked it up, got about ten pages in, and just couldn't put it down.
At first I thought it would make a great movie, but with some of the quality mini's being produced (mainly on cable nets I grant you), it would be a wonderful miniseries.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:39:23am |
re: #805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
A very under-rated actor, IMHO. He should have gotten an Oscar nom for Miracle.
The way he handled his spoken lines in Soldier was absolutely Shakesperaean.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:39:34am |
re: #721 subsailor68
Way cool! I've heard of it, but IIRC it operated out of the East Coast, and I was always a West Coast sailor (San Diego and Pearl Harbor).
I'd have to ask him to be 100% sure, but I think he was out of Norfolk so that would be correct. They used to tangle with Greenpeace - good stories, there. (You're the lucky one!)
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:39:38am |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:40:04am |
re: #810 Occasional Reader
Nothing wrong with Kurt Russell (except for The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes and a few others). Of course, as you noted, Kilmer stole the show.
He was a caveman in an episode of Gilligan's Island.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:02am |
re: #819 Honorary Yooper
And DOWn we go. Where it stops, I have no fricking idea.
I think that the Dow & the post numbers on this thread will match up pretty soon.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:03am |
re: #820 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
He was a caveman in an episode of Gilligan's Island.
Wouldn't he have been more like a caveboy?
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:14am |
re: #815 albusteve
that is an absolute classic....much to enjoy there...all kinds of fun
Yep, tons of fun. Stacey Keach as Bad Bob comes to mind. Makes me smile just to think of it.
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jcm Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:18am |
7908.15 -362.72 (-4.39%) Feb 10 2:40pm ET
Dow voting on Stimulus.
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redc1c4 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:39am |
re: #694 ichef
On "Electronic Medical Records" ...
I take my Father in Law to a small VA Hospital several times a year and this is my observation of "government healthcare". The doctors at the VA spend 98% of their time on a computer. I have no idea what they are typing or if they are playing solitaire, I don't care. Patient care SUFFERS and I have no idea where these records go cause EVERYTIME we go in for a visit it's like we have NEVER been there, same questions, same waste of time. So I don't know where these "electronic medical records" that thousands of very expensive doctor man hours are used to produce but they don't seem to "stay" in the computers that produced them. So like everything else the government does it goes down a big black hole never to be seen again like our money.
more likely they are required to refill the info every time, to make sure the info is accurate....... good idea, bad execution. POE is a good way to avoid many medication errors and to reduce time trying to get the doc to clarify something they didn't get right the first time.
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:47am |
re: #817 Occasional Reader
The way he handled his spoken lines in Soldier was absolutely Shakesperaean.
Funny that, I was thinking the same about Tango and Cash. /
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republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:02am |
re: #717 Bobibutu
I think that was more on voluntary termination.
;-)
As bloviated by Obama and Daschle.
;-D
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:02am |
re: #820 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
He was a caveman in an episode of Gilligan's Island.
Disneyesqu....where he came up from
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Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:05am |
re: #817 Occasional Reader
Shakesperaean
Or however you people spell it in your oppressive White Man's English.
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rw in san diego Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:32am |
re: #779 realwest
Do you have access to those parts of the stimulus that deal with medical care? I emailed many friends and family today with a link to the article in your email. I would hope that if this information could be verified with links to the actual bill that Charles would consider a thread devoted to the health care implications of this fiasco?
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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DeafDog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:39am |
re: #760 Killgore Trout
When inflation picks up, it will happen in a hurry.
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acwgusa Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:43am |
re: #701 loppyd
HIPAA is a joke. I request records all of the time via fax - total no no.
Really? My office has gotten nailed five time for various violations. I swore next time I caught a violator in my office I was going to publicly beat him/her to death with their office router.
(Our main violator is perfectly aware that I know who they are, and doesn't care)
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:47am |
re: #817 Occasional Reader
The way he handled his spoken lines in Soldier was absolutely Shakesperaean.
Never saw it, so I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but rent Miracle. He's excellent as Coach Brooks.
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FortunateSon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:50am |
You have no idea how excited the prospect of paying this off excites me as a college student. Maybe I'll work my way up towards Treasury Secretary, so I can at least dodge the tax burden.
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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:51am |
re: #711 outsidephilly
Isn't it interesting that Senator Casey traveled to Coatesville, yesterday, and met with the residents and listen to their plight with all the recent arson fires. Yet, Mr. Specter hasn't shown his face (and Coatesville is only 55 minutes from his philly office & home)
Specter can't make it because of his planned trip to Kentucky with Obama.
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:59am |
Last time the Dow was below 7,900? Valentine's Day 2003.
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Johnnyreb Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:43:03am |
re: #694 ichef
On "Electronic Medical Records" ...
I take my Father in Law to a small VA Hospital several times a year and this is my observation of "government healthcare". The doctors at the VA spend 98% of their time on a computer. I have no idea what they are typing or if they are playing solitaire, I don't care. Patient care SUFFERS and I have no idea where these records go cause EVERYTIME we go in for a visit it's like we have NEVER been there, same questions, same waste of time. So I don't know where these "electronic medical records" that thousands of very expensive doctor man hours are used to produce but they don't seem to "stay" in the computers that produced them. So like everything else the government does it goes down a big black hole never to be seen again like our money.
I have a small disability rating from the VA for my knees. I absolutely refuse to go there and see them for anything I can avoid. I dont even go to get any pain meds from them.
The VA health care system is a nightmare and that is what any completely run government health care system will become.
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SummerSong Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:43:24am |
Only things up in my port today are water, gold, and solar...
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:43:55am |
re: #834 Occasional Reader
Or however you people spell it in your oppressive White Man's English.
Since the English language wasn't standardized in Shakespeare's time, you're not really misspelling his name.
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Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:43:58am |
re: #838 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Never saw it, so I'm assuming you're being sarcastic
Yep... IIRC he has no spoken lines in the entire movie. (Not his fault, of course.)
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realwest Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:44:03am |
re: #640 FurryOldGuyJeans
No, the Republicans fought two wars and dealt with Katrina and Obama has already surpassed that spending (assuming this bill goes through without significant change).
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:44:14am |
re: #828 subsailor68
Yep, tons of fun. Stacey Keach as Bad Bob comes to mind. Makes me smile just to think of it.
guzzling that boiling coffee....then a big ass hole in him you could see though!...Lily Langtree....actually Bean was a real life myth and some of the movie was definately based on fact
| 848 |
DeafDog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:44:31am |
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Picayune Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:04am |
re: #780 Erik The Red
as gold continues to climb. Now up $22.90, overnight.
| 851 |
Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:07am |
re: #778 Occasional Reader
Why not? It was a very well-done Western.
With a lot of great one-liners...
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:44am |
re: #819 Honorary Yooper
And DOWn we go. Where it stops, I have no fricking idea.
The hooves on the Unicorn, go clop, clop, clop...!
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Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:49am |
re: #839 FortunateSon
You have no idea how excited the prospect of paying this off excites me as a college student.
Bright side; you'll get your revenge by droping off your elders on ice floes, as part of the Federal ElderCare Program.
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Killer Tomato Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:58am |
re: #809 realwest
real - where do I find this in plain English? I've been off-line since Saturday -
{realwest}
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:59am |
re: #842 Johnnyreb
I have a small disability rating from the VA for my knees. I absolutely refuse to go there and see them for anything I can avoid. I dont even go to get any pain meds from them.
The VA health care system is a nightmare and that is what any completely run government health care system will become.
Have you ever seen this movie?
Great cast.
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nikis-knight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:46:11am |
re: #819 Honorary Yooper
And DOWn we go. Where it stops, I have no fricking idea.
I need to put in a standing order to buy infinity of everything if it hits zero.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:46:27am |
re: #765 loppyd
My doctor also uses laptops in the exam room, orders my Rx right from there which is very cool.
VPN or not, that doesn't prevent someone in the government with access from leaking your records if it suits them.
Yes, I also had to wait for prescriptions until their network came back.
The VPN protects against hackers, though; if they're on a cable TV network connection, they'd better use one, because anyone on the same cable segment can see their traffic, if they want to. (Takes special software that is readily available; wireshark would do; connect the computer to the cable modem and put the Ethernet card in promiscuous mode, and you can read everyone's traffic.) DSL uses a dedicated circuit to the central office, so it is more secure.
Of course, we know how well the government keeps secrets. I'm sure all of Rush's medical records would be all over the place with the current administration.
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Johnnyreb Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:46:34am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:46:38am |
re: #844 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Since the English language wasn't standardized in Shakespeare's time, you're not really misspelling his name.
Shakespeare stole all his work from Muslims, anyway.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:46:45am |
re: #854 Occasional Reader
Bright side; you'll get your revenge by droping off your elders on ice floes, as part of the Federal ElderCare Program.
Or, for those in sunnier climes, the "leader out" festival; there's always the traditional Limey "smother party."
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Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:47:31am |
re: #850 Picayune
as gold continues to climb. Now up $22.90, overnight.
No surprise there. The only way the Obamessiah can fund Porkzilla is to print more dollars. Inflation is fun, welcome to the 1970s.
| 863 |
soxfan4life Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:47:48am |
Who is going to buy the bonds to finance this? And what currency will they be paid in when they come due? Are we looking at going from Euro's to Worldo's?
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:47:56am |
re: #841 gmsc
Last time the Dow was below 7,900? Valentine's Day 2003.
The DJIA closed at 7552.20 on Nov 8 2008
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Johnnyreb Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:48:21am |
re: #856 subsailor68
Have you ever seen this movie?
Great cast.
Seen it and a good movie. And pretty much true also.
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:48:43am |
re: #847 albusteve
guzzling that boiling coffee....then a big ass hole in him you could see though!...Lily Langtree....actually Bean was a real life myth and some of the movie was definately based on fact
Oh yeah! Here's kind of a neat little bio on him:
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:48:45am |
re: #860 Occasional Reader
Shakespeare stole all his work from Muslims, anyway.
Twelfth Night was originally Twelfth Imam, The Merry Wives of Windsor was The Many Wives of Wazir, etc.
| 869 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:48:54am |
re: #801 Dianna
I love the Cthulu mythos.
How do you like Obamathotep, with Soros as one of the Ancient Gods, running the country?
| 870 |
Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:48:58am |
re: #863 soxfan4life
Who is going to buy the bonds to finance this?
Nobody.
Fire up the printing presses!
| 872 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:10am |
re: #860 Occasional Reader
Shakespeare stole all his work from Muslims, anyway.
Liar! Shakespeare was a muslim: [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
| 873 |
tfc3rid Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:12am |
CBS News reports that the IRNA has asked for an interview with Obama...
Change You Can Believe In!
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Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:30am |
re: #868 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Twelfth Night was originally Twelfth Imam, The Merry Wives of Windsor was The Many Wives of Wazir, etc.
And don't forget Much Abu About Nothing.
| 875 |
mattm Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:47am |
Damn you Collions, Snowe and Spector. I can't wait to see you kicked out of office.
| 876 |
ArchangelMichael Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:47am |
re: #864 ArchangelMichael
The DJIA closed at 7552.20 on Nov
820 2008
Fixed... got my 20s and 08s flipped
| 877 |
Leonidas Hoplite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:59am |
re: #863 soxfan4life
Who is going to buy the bonds to finance this? And what currency will they be paid in when they come due? Are we looking at going from Euro's to Worldo's?
That is the great question. Those who up to now have been buying our debt might begin to demand a higher rate of return to compensate for the inflation risk an investment inour country now entails
| 878 |
Rednek Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:50:05am |
And lo, on the the 21st day of the One's Ascension, the wise elders of the land brought forth a sausage. And its name was:
A bill making supplemental appropriations for job preservation and creation, infrastructure investment, energy efficiency and science, assistance to the unemployed, and State and local fiscal stabilization, for fiscal year ending September 30, 2009, and for other purposes.
And the One saw it was good. And the people rejoiced.
| 879 |
gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:50:09am |
re: #873 tfc3rid
CBS News reports that the IRNA has asked for an interview with Obama...
Change You Can Believe In!
Geezm CBS, can't you even spell Iran correctly?
;)
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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:50:25am |
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:50:27am |
re: #864 ArchangelMichael
The DJIA closed at 7552.20 on Nov 8 2008
Let's see - was there any bad news that day?
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Erik The Red Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:10am |
re: #802 SFGoth
He shares ownership with Bush. Bush birthed it; Obama's the adopted father.
Sorry so late replying I was bumped off twice trying to reply.
The DEMS OWN THIS. They were warned in 2006 that the housing market was going to go bust. Barney and congress just wanted to give everyone a house. FTC.(Fuck The Consequences) We are now fucked.
| 885 |
DeafDog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:28am |
re: #805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
A very under-rated actor, IMHO. He should have gotten an Oscar nom for Miracle.
He nailed the Snake Plissken role, too.
| 886 |
Picayune Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:32am |
re: #862 Spiny Norman
70's you wish. Depending on how bad this fails, we're probably headed for pre-WWII Germany rates. Invest in wheelbarrows and crying towels - and gold/silver.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:33am |
re: #841 gmsc
Last time the Dow was below 7,900? Valentine's Day 2003.
We had an intraday low 7449.38 - 11/21/08.
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NomadOfNorad Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:52am |
re: #166 Cygnus
I received this in an email this morning - what perfect timing:
This year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment. This is a very exciting new program that I will explain using the Q
and A format:
Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A. It is money that the Federal government will send
to taxpayers in an attempt to boost our economy .Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. Only a smidgen.Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to
purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China?
A. Shut up.Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the US economy by spending your stimulus check wisely:
If you spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
If you spend it on gasoline, it will go to the oil rich countries... not us.
If you purchase a computer, it will go to India .
If you purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala (unless you buy organic).
If you buy a car, it will go to Japan.
If you purchase useless crap, it will go to Taiwan.
And none of it will help the American economy.
We need to keep that money here in America . You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball
games, or spending it on beer (domestic ONLY) or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US..
The trouble with that sensibility is... it's simplistic, and incorrect. Anything you buy here in the US, even if it IS something made overseas, still has a good part of that money going to Americans.
You go to WalMart, buy a product that's made in China... and, yeah, some of that money goes to China, but not near 100% of it: Sure, the actual (fairly small) cost in China to make the item, and then ship it from the factory there to the seaport, plus maybe the price of it on the ship from there to the USA (depends on who owns the ship, actually), but once it GETS to the seaport in the USA, at that point the rest of the money goes to Americans: Those that ship the item from the American seaport to one or more of WalMart's warehouses, and then from there to the different WalMarts. And, of course, a good part of that money goes then to WalMart itself... which is an American company. It is run here, it is BASED here, and the owners all LIVE here. And also, that money goes to the employees of WalMart, who spend it locally. So, a fraction of the money goes to China, or wherever, but the majority of it still goes to the USA.
The same principle applies to gasoline (a good part of the money you spend goes to the local gas station and its employees, and then to the companies (truckdrivers and stuff) IN America that BRING the gas TO that gas station), computers (particularly if you buy the computer at a local mom-and-pop type store, but it also applies if you buy it from CompUSA or... well... WalMart), fruits and vegetables (you're supporting the grocery store, too, remember, and all THEIR domestic shipping companies), and even automobiles (remember: even some Japanese cars are manufactured RIGHT HERE IN THE USA for domestic sale, employing AMERICANS, and... oh yeah... they don't cave to, or have, unions, those same blooming, obstructionist and moneygrubbing unions that largely support, and are supported by, the Democrat party), and other "useless crap."
So yeah, spending money ANYwhere -- except maybe in cases where stuff you order is being drop-shipped DIRECTLY from China TO your door FROM the company you're ordering from (say, a website in China) -- WILL help the American economy.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:52:19am |
Also according to Google Finance the DJIA 52-week low (probably an intra-day low since I couldn't find it on the chart) was 7449.38
So bad as it may be, we didn't blow out the lows. Whoever mentioned support at 7400-ish might be correct.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:52:21am |
re: #867 subsailor68
Oh yeah! Here's kind of a neat little bio on him:
there he is!...thanks for that...I'm a bit into western lore
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:52:31am |
re: #867 subsailor68
Oh yeah! Here's kind of a neat little bio on him:
Hang 'em first, try 'em later.
Roy Bean
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gmsc Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:53:02am |
re: #887 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
We had an intraday low 7449.38 - 11/21/08.
In addition to Archangel's closing corrections, this is also good to know. Thanks.
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Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:53:35am |
re: #886 Picayune
70's you wish. Depending on how bad this fails, we're probably headed for pre-WWII Germany rates. Invest in wheelbarrows and crying towels - and gold/silver.
The 11-12% annual inflation rates of the late 1970s will certainly seem like Germany in the early 1930s...
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nyc redneck Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:53:37am |
people who are turned away from proper medical care are likely to become victim of black market medicine and treatment.
there is so much room for fraud and abuse here.
serious unintended consequences from O's health care plan.
because most people won't be content to just die for the convenience of the state.
| 896 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:53:50am |
re: #841 gmsc
Last time the Dow was below 7,900? Valentine's Day 2003.
Six years of gains gone like the turkey the Bumpuses dogs took out the back door.
| 897 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:54:11am |
re: #888 NomadOfNorad
The trouble with that sensibility is... it's simplistic, and incorrect. Anything you buy here in the US, even if it IS something made overseas, still has a good part of that money going to Americans.
I saw the breakdown of this on a "Made in China" iPod a year or so ago; I don't recall the exact numbers, but it was pretty astonishing how little of the iPod purchaser's dollars went to China.
| 898 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:54:16am |
We've become a nation of fools, idiots, and the lazy.
Prost!
| 900 |
Erik The Red Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:54:43am |
How can the US have a tax cheat making monetary policy?
Makes me feel at home in Africa.
| 901 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:54:53am |
re: #892 Dustyvet
Hang 'em first, try 'em later.
Roy Bean
Well, with old Roy we wouldn't have that pesky Gitmo problem.
;-)
| 902 |
Killer Tomato Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:55:47am |
re: #855 Killer Tomato
real - where do I find this in plain English? I've been off-line since Saturday -
{realwest}
Nevermind - its in that Bloomberg article.
| 903 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:55:53am |
| 904 |
Rednek Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:57:08am |
re: #895 nyc redneck
people who are turned away from proper medical care are likely to become victim of black market medicine and treatment.
there is so much room for fraud and abuse here.
serious unintended consequences from O's health care plan.
because most people won't be content to just die for the convenience of the state.
Not just here, but around the world. Where are all the rich and famous going to go to get around their socialized paradises now that the US will is about to sink into the same morass of long waits and DMV-like medicine?
| 905 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:57:29am |
re: #900 Erik The Red
How can the US have a tax cheat making monetary policy?
Makes me feel at home in Africa.
Obama said he wanted to bring us closer to the rest of the world, didn't he?
| 906 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:57:51am |
As I Say You'll Like It
Allah's Well That Ends Well
Comedy of Terrors
| 907 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:59:17am |
re: #890 ArchangelMichael
Also according to Google Finance the DJIA 52-week low (probably an intra-day low since I couldn't find it on the chart) was 7449.38
So bad as it may be, we didn't blow out the lows. Whoever mentioned support at 7400-ish might be correct.
For that support to hold it'd sure be nice if Obummer would shut-his-flippin-pie-hole - the Sob may have already made this 'GIMME MY MONEY' a self-fulfilled - but still very real - catastrophe.
| 908 |
DeafDog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:59:29am |
re: #888 NomadOfNorad
I think you kinda missed the point, which was that the USA manufacturing base is no more.
| 909 |
Picayune Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:59:35am |
re: #894 Spiny Norman
Yep, and unfortunately, malaise economics (thanks Jimmah) aren't the only things these days that remind one of Germany in the '30s.
| 910 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:59:39am |
re: #901 subsailor68
Well, with old Roy we wouldn't have that pesky Gitmo problem.
;-)
"Hear ye! Hear ye! This honorable court is now in session, and if anybody wants a snort before we start, step up to the bar and name your poison."
Judge Roy Bean
| 911 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:00:08pm |
re: #860 Occasional Reader
Shakespeare stole all his work from Muslims, anyway.
Yes, it's a surprise that his play Infidel On The Roof didn't have more success.
| 912 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:00:47pm |
re: #905 Occasional Reader
Obama said he wanted to bring us closer to the rest of the world, didn't he?
Next up ... malaria!
| 913 |
doppelganglander Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:01:11pm |
re: #868 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Twelfth Night was originally Twelfth Imam, The Merry Wives of Windsor was The Many Wives of Wazir, etc.
And "Rahim and Yulia" ended with an honor killing.
| 914 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:01:13pm |
re: #911 OldLineTexan
Yes, it's a surprise that his play Infidel On The Roof didn't have more success.
Suddenly Last Sura was pretty good.
| 915 |
Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:01:32pm |
re: #892 Dustyvet
re: #867 subsailor68
Oh yeah! Here's kind of a neat little bio on him:Judge Roy Bean
Hang 'em first, try 'em later.
Roy Bean
Interestingly:
In his book "Judge Roy Bean Country," Jack Skiles says that although Bean threatened to hang hundreds, "there's no evidence to suggest that Judge Roy Bean ever hung anybody."
| 916 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:01:53pm |
| 917 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:13pm |
re: #914 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Suddenly Last Sura was pretty good.
Yep, and I kinda liked Butt Stop too.
| 918 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:14pm |
Now this is, er, odd.
I popped over to Wiki to look up something on Shakespeare's Sonnets, to try to cobble together some Shakespearean Islamist Sonnet puns.
And I find this sentence, which I quote verbatim:
The only edition of "penis penis penis" sonnets published in Shakespeare's lifetime, the 1609 Quarto, is dedicated to one "Mr. W.H.". The reality, identity and age of this person remain a mystery and have caused a great deal of speculation.
Erm... alrighty, then.
| 919 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:15pm |
re: #911 OldLineTexan
Yes, it's a surprise that his play Infidel On The Roof didn't have more success.
"If I where a bomber, boomie, boomie, boomie, boom...!"
| 920 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:35pm |
re: #915 Spiny Norman
In his book "Judge Roy Bean Country," Jack Skiles says that although Bean threatened to hang hundreds, "there's no evidence to suggest that Judge Roy Bean ever hung anybody."
Nope - they were all shot! ;)
| 921 |
Ford_Prefect Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:41pm |
re: #911 OldLineTexan
Yes, it's a surprise that his play Infidel On The Roof didn't have more success.
What about Muslim Abu Got Nothing?
| 922 |
J.S. Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:49pm |
I've heard that the stock market is doing a slide thanks (not only to the stimulus bill) to Geithner's little talk about another bank bailout (to the tune of maybe 2 trillion)...then, when everyone was waiting to hear about his "plan" -- he walked away, saying (more or less) "i'll get back to you." Markets don't like uncertainty...(another bozo move by an inexperienced Obama pick)....
| 923 |
ArchangelMichael Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:07pm |
re: #860 Occasional Reader
I thought it was from Klingons not Muslims...
"You have never experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon."
| 924 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:08pm |
re: #888 NomadOfNorad
Gas stations make very little on gas; hence the ubiquitous beer and cigarette stands posing as stores.
| 925 |
acwgusa Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:14pm |
re: #919 Dustyvet
"If I where a bomber, boomie, boomie, boomie, boom...!"
Oh look, there goes my monitor and keyboard. Stupid soda!
| 926 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:47pm |
| 927 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:53pm |
re: #920 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Nope - they were all shot! ;)
Are you from Maine? Maine joke:
"Didja know Lincoln was tall?"
"Nope. He was shot."
| 928 |
Dianna Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:53pm |
re: #892 Dustyvet
Hang 'em first, try 'em later.
Roy Bean
Judge Parker's scarier.
Yeah but right now Lord with my back to the wall
Can't help but recall
How they nearly hung me for stealin' a horse
in Fort Smith ArkansasJudge Parker said guilty and the gavel came down
just like a cannon shot
And I went away quietly
and I began to file and plotWell they sent the preacher down to my cell
He said the Lord is your only hope
He's the only friend that you gonna have
When you hit the end of Parker's ropeWell I guess he coulda' kept on preachin' 'till Christmas
but he turned his back on me
I put a home made blade to that golden throat
and asked the deputy for the key
| 929 |
Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:59pm |
re: #912 OldLineTexan
re: #905 Occasional Reader
Obama said he wanted to bring us closer to the rest of the world, didn't he?Next up ... malaria!
Might as well, we've already got tuberculosis back...
| 930 |
JHW Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:04:00pm |
CNN just said " A real president taking real questions from real people.....that's change." As opposed to taking questions from unreal people I suppose. What a bunch of shills.
| 931 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:04:10pm |
re: #915 Spiny Norman
In his book "Judge Roy Bean Country," Jack Skiles says that although Bean threatened to hang hundreds, "there's no evidence to suggest that Judge Roy Bean ever hung anybody."
Jack Skiles needs a better editor. It's "hanged", not "hung".
| 932 |
Kaymad Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:04:12pm |
re: #689 Karagush
thanks man. the future is scary for me in so many ways. right now hes deployed to Iraq and i was happy. believe it or not i consider him SAFE in Anbar. but thrown into Afghanistan, his likely next tour, unsupported and underfunded with no clear plans ... my stomach flops over and i just have to remind myself hes a badass who can take care of himself.
I know what you are going through. My husband was over there for a year as a soldier, retired from the military, than went over as a contractor during the height of the insurgency, than was back after the surge took affect. What a difference! I see Afghanistan going the way of Somolia if Obama doesn't listen to his Generals and I'm afraid his company is going to come into some Afghanistan contracts and he will be asked to go.
| 933 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:04:21pm |
re: #918 Occasional Reader
Now this is, er, odd.
I popped over to Wiki to look up something on Shakespeare's Sonnets, to try to cobble together some Shakespearean Islamist Sonnet puns.
And I find this sentence, which I quote verbatim:
The only edition of "penis penis penis" sonnets published in Shakespeare's lifetime, the 1609 Quarto, is dedicated to one "Mr. W.H.". The reality, identity and age of this person remain a mystery and have caused a great deal of speculation.
Erm... alrighty, then.
Not that I'm a Shakespearean scholar, but I know a thing or two about English Lit & that's the first I've heard of that. Ah, the joys of an encyclopedia that anyone can edit!
| 934 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:04pm |
re: #931 Occasional Reader
Jack Skiles needs a better editor. It's "hanged", not "hung".
Coulda been both I suppose.
;-)
| 935 |
SFGoth Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:26pm |
re: #884 Erik The Red
Sorry so late replying I was bumped off twice trying to reply.
The DEMS OWN THIS. They were warned in 2006 that the housing market was going to go bust. Barney and congress just wanted to give everyone a house. FTC.(Fuck The Consequences) We are now fucked.
That's why we have a president, to take the lead on big issues. WTF was the Decider doing? Oh, he was enjoying the phony high too. Leave aside any press conference he would have given would have been painful to hear, but he at least could've planted a seed of "hold on a moment". Then he wouldn't bear the initial blame.
| 936 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:31pm |
re: #930 JHW
CNN just said " A real president taking real questions from real people.....that's change." As opposed to taking questions from unreal people I suppose. What a bunch of shills.
Sort of reminds me of the 5 o'clock follies...You know where...:)
| 937 |
hazzyday Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:34pm |
Reid: 10-1-08
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., raised eyebrows at a press
conference Wednesday when he said a member of his party caucus had talked about a major insurance company being on the verge of bankruptcy. At the time, Reid referred to the company as "one with a name that everyone knows."
Schumer: 6-27-08
The collapse of Indymac bank, the second largest bank failure in American history, began with a letter from the office of Senator Charles Schumer on June 27.
| 938 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:50pm |
| 939 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:57pm |
re: #929 Spiny Norman
Might as well, we've already got tuberculosis back...
Yes, but that's being imported by poor people who are only looking for work.
And free health care.
And CHIP.
And food stamps.
And maybe an anchor baby or six.
| 941 |
JHW Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:06:36pm |
re: #936 Dustyvet
Yep, I'm afraid we're going to get follies around the clock this time.
| 942 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:06:47pm |
re: #938 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
That's what she said.
You should write a "penis penis penis" sonnet about it.
| 943 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:07:01pm |
| 944 |
republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:08:14pm |
re: #821 tfc3rid
Obama to Realwest: I have no use for you any longer...
He has no shame.
Democrats are the party of death, at both ends of the spectrum.
They also are becoming the death of freedom and liberty.
| 945 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:08:43pm |
re: #935 SFGoth
That's why we have a president, to take the lead on big issues. WTF was the Decider doing? Oh, he was enjoying the phony high too. Leave aside any press conference he would have given would have been painful to hear, but he at least could've planted a seed of "hold on a moment". Then he wouldn't bear the initial blame.
I disagree wholeheartedly.
The American public has been dumbed down to the point that they believed the President to be Caesar, well before Bush. But BDS has magnified the problem. To hate Bush properly, he can have no human infirmities and must be all-powerful.
Now Caesar is a god as well.
| 946 |
HippieforLife Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:08:50pm |
Just read that the O admin is going to delay the off-shore drilling.
Apparently they need more time to think about it. They have already had 40 freakin years!
For the life of me I just cannot figure out why they are such in a big hurry to get rid of any Bush policies. The O goes on and on about lowering our dependence on foreign oil but apparently is too much of a wuss to actually do anything toward making that happen
| 947 |
acwgusa Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:09:39pm |
re: #946 HippieforLife
Just read that the O admin is going to delay the off-shore drilling.
Apparently they need more time to think about it. They have already had 40 freakin years!
For the life of me I just cannot figure out why they are such in a big hurry to get rid of any Bush policies. The O goes on and on about lowering our dependence on foreign oil but apparently is too much of a wuss to actually do anything toward making that happen
Because Bush is bad, mkay?
/SP
| 948 |
republic Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:09:58pm |
re: #852 Dustyvet
The hooves on the Unicorn, go clop, clop, clop...!
Unicorns are quiet in fields of cotton candy.
:D
| 949 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:10:09pm |
re: #943 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I'm thinking of getting a tattoo of Bender saying that.
Oh cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones, it bones for thee. -B.B.R.
| 950 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:10:33pm |
re: #946 HippieforLife
Just read that the O admin is going to delay the off-shore drilling.
Apparently they need more time to think about it. They have already had 40 freakin years!
For the life of me I just cannot figure out why they are such in a big hurry to get rid of any Bush policies. The O goes on and on about lowering our dependence on foreign oil but apparently is too much of a wuss to actually do anything toward making that happen
We are going to let the Chinese and Cubans have it.
None of the oil, and all of the enviro-disasters.
Yay.
| 952 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:11:17pm |
re: #949 Guanxi88
Oh cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones, it bones for thee. -B.B.R.
Bender Bending Rodriguez.
A robot truly before his time.
| 953 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:11:24pm |
re: #918 Occasional Reader
Update:
The truth about Shakespeare's "penis penis penis" sonnets has already been ruthlessly suppressed at Wikipedia.
| 954 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:11:30pm |
re: #941 JHW
Yep, I'm afraid we're going to get follies around the clock this time.
Yup..."We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
| 955 |
acwgusa Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:11:40pm |
re: #951 HippieforLife
Oh, how could I have forgotten! /
Once we get hauled off to the Obama Detention and Re-Education Center, comrade, you'll never forget again.
| 956 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:11:57pm |
re: #952 OldLineTexan
Bender Bending Rodriguez.
A robot truly before his time.
Yes, his series was killed centuries before he was ever assembled.
| 957 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:12:32pm |
re: #948 republic
Unicorns are quiet in fields of cotton candy.
:D
Snapping fingers...damn I forgot...
| 958 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:13:20pm |
re: #956 Guanxi88
Yes, his series was killed centuries before he was ever assembled.
I understand his head is buried somewhere near Roswell, NM.
| 959 |
NomadOfNorad Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:14:13pm |
re: #908 DeafDog
I think you kinda missed the point, which was that the USA manufacturing base is no more.
There are still cars made here in the USA, including some Japanese models, f'rex. True, there aren't near as many US manufacturing plants as there used to be, but they DO still exist. Maybe not near as many as we'd like, but they do exist.
But, you're forgetting: The USA is now very much a SERVICE economy: that is, most of the money made (and there is a lot there) is generated by the services of... say... selling stuff, shipping stuff, feeding you (such as when you go to McD's for a burger instead of making a burger yourself and then having to clean up after making that burger), helping you in your every day tasks (such as when you go to the income-tax broker guys to do your income tax for you, or you have your car fixed, or you get your teeth cleaned, your dog groomed, your carpet installed...), and so on.
True, I'd LOVE there to be a lot more actual factories and stuff here in the USA... but I'm not losing any sleep over the lack thereof, either.
| 960 |
HippieforLife Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:14:21pm |
re: #955 acwgusa
That is just too close to the truth. LOL!
| 961 |
subsailor68 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:14:46pm |
Well, guess I'll go see what's on Darwin's mind.
| 962 |
Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:15:01pm |
re: #958 OldLineTexan
I understand his head is buried somewhere near Roswell, NM.
Yes, I'd heard that, too. On of my favorite Bender moments was when he went grave-robbing with Fry (the five-leaf clover) and, as he passed the honor guard at the gate, he snapped a salute and hit his head with the shovel.
| 963 |
nikis-knight Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:15:36pm |
re: #946 HippieforLife
Just read that the O admin is going to delay the off-shore drilling.
Apparently they need more time to think about it. They have already had 40 freakin years!
For the life of me I just cannot figure out why they are such in a big hurry to get rid of any Bush policies. The O goes on and on about lowering our dependence on foreign oil but apparently is too much of a wuss to actually do anything toward making that happen
But those years don't count; the One wasn't personally looking into it.
| 964 |
JHW Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:16:11pm |
re: #954 Dustyvet
Yup..."We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
Ha, sounds just like what the Dems have planned for the good ol' USA. BTW, I found out that quote came from the "trustworthy" Peter Arnett, at Ben Tre, at an operation of the 4/39 during Tet. i wonder how long he'd been saving that made up quote in his head to use against us. No one could ever find the officer he supposedly quoted.
| 966 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:20:59pm |
re: #964 JHW
Ha, sounds just like what the Dems have planned for the good ol' USA. BTW, I found out that quote came from the "trustworthy" Peter Arnett, at Ben Tre, at an operation of the 4/39 during Tet. i wonder how long he'd been saving that made up quote in his head to use against us. No one could ever find the officer he supposedly quoted.
You might want to check this out
[Link: www.newseum.org...]
| 968 |
NomadOfNorad Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:22:02pm |
re: #924 OldLineTexan
Gas stations make very little on gas; hence the ubiquitous beer and cigarette stands posing as stores.
Okay, you're right... the gas station wasn't a very good example. On the other hand, it still goes to the tanker truck drivers that get the gas there, and to the various other parts of the gas and oil company that exists here in the USA involved in getting that gas and oil FROM the border TO the gas stations, and to all the parts of that system that actually involve processing and making the various mixes of gasoline made for the various regions of the USA, and so on and so on.
| 969 |
JHW Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:23:25pm |
re: #966 Dustyvet
Hey thanks Dusty, bookmarked, Joe Galloway is one of the good guys.
| 970 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:24:46pm |
| 972 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:25:56pm |
re: #968 NomadOfNorad
Okay, you're right... the gas station wasn't a very good example. On the other hand, it still goes to the tanker truck drivers that get the gas there, and to the various other parts of the gas and oil company that exists here in the USA involved in getting that gas and oil FROM the border TO the gas stations, and to all the parts of that system that actually involve processing and making the various mixes of gasoline made for the various regions of the USA, and so on and so on.
Oh, I agree. Living on the gulf coast of Texas, I know what a refinery smells like when times are good.
They smell like money.
| 973 |
right_wing2 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:26:28pm |
re: #860 Occasional Reader
Shakespeare stole all his work from Muslims, anyway.
So Shakespeare was a Jooooo?
| 975 |
sandspur Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:28:41pm |
re: #515 Guanxi88
Kools! I still can't get past the Kools!
It's not enough he's a charlatan of the first (and worst) water; it's not enough he's got a personality cult like nothing I can remember; it's not enough the guy is the absolute living embodiment (and apotheosis) of everything that's wrong with the educational, legal, and political system of the United States; it's not enough that he uses as a shield and a weapon the fact of his Muslim ancestry and connections, mention of which shall not be made by any except for him; it's not enough the guy can't be bothered to show up on time for anything, behaves like a bored, petulant child when he does, and thinks we're the better for living in the world with him.
No, he's gotta smoke Kools, doesn't he? He can't do even one decent, classy thing with his vices.
I'm just surprised he doesn't smoke galois (sp?) or some other euro-type cig
| 976 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:29:13pm |
| 977 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:30:31pm |
re: #976 Dustyvet
Schumer: The American People Don't Care About Pork Projects In Stimulus
[Video]
* $2 billion earmark for FutureGen near zero emissions powerplant in Mattoon, IL
* $39 billion slush fund for “state fiscal stabilization” bailout
* $5.5 billion for making federal buildings “green” (including $448 million for DHS HQ)
* $200 million for workplace safety in USDA facilities
* $275 million for flood prevention
* $65 million for watershed rehabilitation
* $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges and libraries
* $650 million for the DTV transition coupon program
* $307 million for constructing NIST office buildings
* $1 billion for administrative costs and construction of NOAA office buildings
* $100 million for constructing U.S. Marshalls office buildings
* $300 million for constructing FBI office buildings
* $800 million for constructing Federal Prison System buildings and facilities
* $10 million to fight Mexican gunrunners
* $1.3 billion for NASA (including $450 million for “science” at NASA)
* $100 million to clean up sites used in early U.S. atomic energy program
* $10 million for urban canals
* $2 billion for manufacturing advanced batteries for hybrid cars
* $1.5 billion for carbon capture projects under sec. 703 of P.L. 110-140 (though section only authorizes $1 billion for five years)
* $300 million for hybrid and electric cars for federal employees
* $198 million to design and furnish the DHS headquarters
* $255 million for “priority procurements” at Coast Guard (polar ice breaker)
* $500 million for State and local fire stations
* $180 million for construction of Bureau of Land Management facilities
* $500 million for wildland fire management
* $110 million for construction for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
* $522 million for construction for the Bureau of Indian Affairs
* $650 million for abandoned mine sites
* $75 million for the Smithsonian Institution
* $1.2 billion for summer jobs for youth
* $412 million for CDC headquarters
* $500 million earmark for NIH facilities in Bethesda, MD
* $160 million for “volunteers” at the Corp. for National and Community Service
* $750 earmark for the National Computer Center in MD
* $224 million for International Boundary and Water Commission – U.S. and Mexico
* $850 million for Amtrak
* $100 million for lead paint hazard reduction
| 978 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:32:42pm |
The FBI raided the offices of a defense lobbying firm with close ties to Democratic Rep. John Murtha (Penn.), sources tell ABC News.
The FBI searched the Virginia headquarters of the PMA Group in November, according to the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. PMA was founded by former Murtha aide Paul Magliochetti and specializes in winning earmarked taxpayer funds for its clients. …
PMA is the second company with close ties to Murtha to be raided by federal agents recently. In January, agents from the FBI, the IRS and the Defense Criminal Investigative Service searched the office of Kuchera Industries and Kuchera Defense Systems, as well as the homes of the firms’ founders. The companies reportedly have received over $100 million in earmarks, thanks to Murtha’s efforts.
| 979 |
JHW Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:33:47pm |
re: #969 JHW
A bit more on Arnett and Ben Tre.
Ben Tre, the Quiet Town Where the Vietnam War Began
Peter Arnett....Whose Man in Baghdad? Mona Charen and B.G. Burkett (the guy who wrote "Stolen Valor", about phony Viet vets) take Arnett to task for his B.S. stories. Most people remember his crying about the "baby milk factory" during Desert Storm.
and Saving Ben Tre by a guy who was there, I was wrong it was 3/39, not 4/49.
| 980 |
marge45b Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:33:48pm |
VIVA the Reagan Revolution!re: #971 Iron Fist
We have to buy guns, gold and silver coins. Hedge against inflation and protect what ever else we have left.
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daledog Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:34:30pm |
I see that Lieberman voted Yea. A-hole. Always has been.
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right_wing2 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:35:59pm |
re: #977 Dustyvet
All that construction will stimulate the economy, 5 years down the road after this recession would have been over with even without all this bloated spending. But it'll provide jobs for people who are forced to join a union and lots of pretty buildings to bear the Obamessiah's blessed name.
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right_wing2 Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:36:21pm |
Do I really need a sarc tag on that last comment?
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NomadOfNorad Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:36:33pm |
Course, on the subject of fewer and fewer factories and stuff in the USA... we ALL know whos policies it is that REALLY are driving the factories out of the country: the Democrats (and some misguided or cowed Republicans going along with it) that make laws and regulations and taxes and stuff that make it harder and harder, and more and more expensive, TO base factories here. And yet these same Demagogue-ocrats blather on and on about how its the GREED of these COMPANIES that is the real cause of the factories being moved out of the USA... and indeed want to PENALIZE these companies for DARING to move their factories out of the USA (which even further DRIVES those companies to move MORE factories out of the country...) Companies don't like hemoraghing money, particularly when that hemoraghing of money is entirely that which comes about out of purely political reasons and not ANYthing that in any way benefits society OR businesses but only benefits the career political figures.
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Yashmak Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:38:20pm |
re: #349 quickjustice
I'm not sure that's correct. This bill spends money over several years. Can't the next Congress, for example, affect that?
Given all the noise Obama has been making about how this is needed "right now", I doubt there will be much of the money left in 4 years. Hell, half the FIRST 700 billion has already been spent, and it's been all of 6 months?
If the next congress were any more fiscally responsible, a big if, and if there was any money left, an even bigger if, then yes, they could affect what was left.
I just don't think there's going to be anything left. Moreover, I doubt we'll even be able to look back and say with conviction "That stimulus package definitely helped".
Our economy is so big, and the credit/housing/etc crisis so severe, that even this stimulus fiasco is tantamount to trying to put out a forest fire with a bucket.
The markets know it, and are simply reacting accordingly.
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NomadOfNorad Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:39:08pm |
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NomadOfNorad Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:40:34pm |
re: #985 Yashmak
Given all the noise Obama has been making about how this is needed "right now", I doubt there will be much of the money left in 4 years. Hell, half the FIRST 700 billion has already been spent, and it's been all of 6 months?
If the next congress were any more fiscally responsible, a big if, and if there was any money left, an even bigger if, then yes, they could affect what was left.
I just don't think there's going to be anything left. Moreover, I doubt we'll even be able to look back and say with conviction "That stimulus package definitely helped".
Our economy is so big, and the credit/housing/etc crisis so severe, that even this stimulus fiasco is tantamount to trying to put out a forest fire with a bucket.
The markets know it, and are simply reacting accordingly.
Except that in this case, it'd be like trying to put out a forest fire with a bucket... of gasoline! :-%P%
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Spiny Norman Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:40:52pm |
re: #981 daledog
I see that Lieberman voted Yea. A-hole. Always has been.
Senator Lieberman has always been very liberal on domestic policy. He's "conservative" on foreign policy and defense.
| 989 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:41:59pm |
President Franklin D. Roosevelt: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
President Barack H. Obama: 'Do what I want, or the economy will melt, and you'll all die poor and alone.'
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JHW Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:46:49pm |
re: #989 Dustyvet
What a contrast, and I'm reminded of Reagan's sunny optimism vs. Carter's whining and blaming the American people. I really get a sense of unease at all this gloom and doom, self-fulfilling prophesy? We've had harder times, I can remember one of my sergeants saying when I was going home, "no matter how hard it gets later in your life, it'll be gravy compared to this."
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:47:12pm |
I'm surprised at how many folk I talk to have no idea what is included in this farce of a stimulus bill. I've encountered looks of shock and even insult when I call it for what it is: a pork bill. With the exception of a more conservative friend, I haven't told anyone else that I didn't cast my vote for Obama. As distrustful as I was, and still am of Palin and friends, there was a part of me that was equally distrustful of Obama. I'm glad I listened to my gut on this one.
| 993 |
Unakite Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:49:32pm |
I just found this quote:
Geithner's speech "basically puts a spotlight on the fact that the government has no idea how to fix the problem," said Jeff Buetow, senior portfolio manager at Portfolio Management Consultants. "People bought on rumor and hope, and now they're selling on reality."
Hope and change vs. the real world.
| 994 |
Gray Skies Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:59:57pm |
re: #394 loppyd
Your privacy concerns are justified. I worked for a staff model HMO (they own their own hospitals and medical clinics) for many years up until six months ago. There were multiple breaches of privacy. Employees, of course, received privacy law training and had to sign promise statements to maintain confidentiality, but all records were readily accessible to anyone who wanted to risk looking. At one point (many years ago) it was known that a high level very visible government official was receiving mental health therapy. My position required that I review medical records as part of my work. I saw multiple instances of someone else's information entered in another patient's file. My own records listed a diagnosis that I never had. It is a diagnosis that would negatively impact considersation for certain jobs. Additionally, incorrect medical information could have disastrous effects if someone is being treated in an emergent situation by an unfamiliar doctor who is accessing that someone's medical information in electronic system.
Because of what I saw, there is no way that I want my medical information in any national system.
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FrogMarch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:07:00pm |
Malaise
“And the money kept rolling in from every side
Eva’s pretty hands reached out and they reached wide
Now you may feel it should have been a voluntary cause
But that’s not the point my friends”
“When the money keeps rolling out you don’t keep books
You can tell you’ve done well by the happy grateful looks
Accountants only slow things down, figures get in the way
Never been a [President] loved as much as [Barack Obama]”
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FrogMarch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:08:37pm |
re: #16 ThinkRight
Rush just blamed the RINO repubs
There must be a righteous campaign to get rid of these idiots.
Specter
Collins
Snowe---
It's time to go.
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FrogMarch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:10:10pm |
re: #49 SlartyBartfast
Michelle Malkin has her typical cutting analysis...
(Check the video.)
Chuck Schumer (D) is a lying sack of shit - CORRUPT AND DECEPTIVE leftist ASSHOLE.
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aggieann Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:11:00pm |
re: #992 taxfreekiller
Al Gore,
Yo, an upper level "cold air mass" note:::COLD AIR MASS::: is now coming over Texas, its about to set off hail, tornadoes, heavy rain, 70 to 80 mph winds, and my water gaps will get the tilt once more.
Screw you, you no good commie liar.
If it gets here, it'll be our first rain since Hurricane Ike, Sept. 13.
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FrogMarch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:18:01pm |
Opposing 'Stimulus' -- Hundreds of Economists Sign on to Cato Institute Ad
Castro Obama isn't listening.
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Emery Calame Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:20:42pm |
I have a new "FEELING" about politics in general.
It is this:
Anyone who voted for the house or senate versions of the stimulus package DOES NOT GET IT and IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO. They have been in Washington too long to know what it is to help and serve the people of this country. They are delusional prisoners of some alternate universe where defending the border is criminal and property and civil rights are rearranged by a self selected and promoted elite to suit their whims and cherished fads. They are unjustly insulated from most of the horrific consequences of their mischief.
Anyone who voted for the TARP/Bailout package either the first or second time it was pulsed through the house of representatives DOES NOT GET IT and IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO INCREASE SPENDING AND TAXES IN THE FACE OF AN ECONOMY WHERE UNEMPLOYMENT IS RISING AND THE STOCK MARKET HAS HAD HALF OF ITS MONEY DRAGGED OUT OF IT BY TERRIFIED INVESTORS DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO AVOID EXPLOITATION OF LOCAL AND FOREIGN FOSSIL FUELS TO SUPPOSEDLY ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF VASTLY INFERIOR TECHNOLOGY IN THE HOPES OF A BREAKTHROUGH AMID TIGHTENING CREDIT RESTICTIONS DUE TO THE COLLAPSE OF A VASTLY OVERVALUED REAL ETSATE MARKET ENCOURAGED BY THE UNFUNDED FIAT OF A WELL MENANING BUT ECONOMICALLY CLUELESS GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO FORCE UNIONIZATION OR SILENCE RADIO SHOW HOSTS THROUGH HARRASSMENT DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.
ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT OLD PEOPLE SHOULD GIVE THEIR ACCESS TO MEDICINE TO YOUNGER PEOPLE OR WHO INSISTS THAT HOBBLING WHAT IS LEFT OF OUR ECEONOMY TO COUNTERACT THE UNESTABLISHED POSSIBILITY THAT MAN IS FATALLY HEATING THE PLANET DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO!
ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT WASHINGTON SHOULD ASK "THE WORLD" FOR PERMISSION TOP DO THINGS FIRST AND ITS OWN CITIZENS PERHAPS FIFTH (IF AT ALL) DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.
ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT DOING THIS WHOLE THING AGAIN ONLY WITH MORE RESTRICTIONS ON TRIVIAL (IF ANNOYING) CRAP LIKE CEO PAY PACKAGAES DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.
WHEN THE STOCK MARKET CONTINUES TO DROP MASSIVELY WITH EVERY ANNOUNCEMENT OF EVERY IDIOCTIC POLICY FROM EVERY BABBLING CONE HEADED IDEA MAN WHO TRIES TO SELL US A PAIR OF SHACKLES WE CAN PROBABLY CONCLUDE THAT THESE IMBECILES AND POLYANNAS DO NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.
I want people to consider vociferously campaigning against the reelection of anyone involved with the passage of this mess whether they call themselves a republican or democrat or anything else. This kind of #@#$ is simply not acceptable. I will vote for virtually anyone who runs of a platform of undoing this crap by almost any means.
It looks like the whole rule from the center to heal Americathing isn't going to happen. Neither is the transparency, the redemption, or the straight dealing, or the civility. It's time for you to grow up America.
THEY DON'T GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO. SEND THEM HOME AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY IN EVERY ELECTION BEFORE THEY PUT DOWN ROOTS AND REINVENT THEMSELVES AS SOMETHING YOU ARE NO LONGER AUTHORIZED TO REMOVE! THE JUDGES AND POLICE AND LAWS AREN'T GOING TO STOP THEM. THE PRESS AREN'T GOING TO REPORT ON THEM. IT IS UP TO YOU. THEY ARE BUILDING A THRONE. BEFORE THEY FINISH IT YOU MUST IMPEDED THEM AT EVERY TURN. THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE OUR LIVES BETTER. VOTE FOR YOUR LIFE, YOUR LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF WHAT YOU CALL HAPPINESS!
THEY DON'T GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO!
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:28:21pm |
re: #1002 Picayune
Sssssh - you'll let the cat out the bag!
"You can't help that. We're all mad here." - The Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland
| 1004 |
Dustyvet Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:29:21pm |
Everything I know I learned from my cat: When you're hungry, eat. When you're tired, nap in a sunbeam. When you go to the vet's, pee on your owner. - Gary Smith
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FrogMarch Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:29:33pm |
| 1006 |
oh_dude Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:35:39pm |
Do you trust your government?
Does your government trust you?
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ladycatnip Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:36:51pm |
The Canadians get it on our spendulus bill before we even do. Apparently, according to the Canada Free Press, our compassionate One's intention is to ration healthcare to seniors:
Contained within the bill is the provision that doctors will now be forced to report any and all of their patient treatments to the federal government for approval to treat.
Also contained within this portion of Obama’s non-stimulus bill is the rationing of healthcare services to senior US citizens and the withholding of potentially life-saving measures. As Democrat Tom Daschle wrote in his book “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis” senior citizens “should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age.” Daschle does not appear to believe that senior citizens (apparently the government’s definition of “senior citizen” is not defined) that seniors should accept their inevitable deaths without complaining. That is, senior citizens who are not members of the elite ruling class. Daschle’s medical conditions, of course, would not be applicable to these provisions.
Being that I'm in the twilight of my 50's, what exactly is the gov's definition of senior?
If true, this is bad news.
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ladycatnip Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:43:01pm |
1001 Emery Calame
I have a new "FEELING" about politics in general.
It is this:Anyone who voted for the house or senate versions of the stimulus package DOES NOT GET IT and IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.
The O beat you to it - he intends to bring the census to the WH so he can gerrymander his peeps into perpetual office - before or after he does away with term limits for prez.
| 1010 |
Cymbaline Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:53:21pm |
re: #998 FrogMarch
Chuck Schumer (D) is a lying sack of shit - CORRUPT AND DECEPTIVE leftist ASSHOLE.
"Little, tiny, yes porky amendments." $60 billion dollars, and that's only what I added up from post #977!
THE WHOLE THING IS ONE GIANT PORKY AMENDMENT!
Calling this guy a Scumbag would be an insult to bags filled with scum.
| 1011 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:00:16pm |
re: #1001 Emery Calame
I have a new "FEELING" about politics in general.
It is this:
New? Just now having a bad day?
Well, Emery - your feelings have been duly noted. FYI - They could care less.
/
| 1012 |
Maui Girl Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:26:46pm |
Collins, Snowe and Specter - no re-election for you. Idiots.
| 1013 |
notutopia Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:41:28pm |
Well, if this stimulus is supposed to be so encouraging, why is it that the DOW has fallen on it's ass in response to this victorious vote today!
Yeah, you're damned right Obama, it's going to be a long and hard recovery.....Congress has just ensured that for every one of us.
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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:45:10pm |
re: #997 FrogMarch
There must be a righteous campaign to get rid of these idiots.
Specter
Collins
Snowe---
It's time to go.
| 1015 |
Emery Calame Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:54:24pm |
re: #1011 Bobibutu
New? Just now having a bad day?
Well, Emery - your feelings have been duly noted. FYI - They could care less.
/
No, I'm not particularly new. Unless you consider circa late 2001 new. Just now having a bad day? What exactly do you base THAT on ?
FYI the point is that we should MAKE them care by sending them home where they can sketch utopias on graph paper where it doesn't hurt anybody. We should do it at each and every election that comes along until this big ball of dung is rolled right back to beetleland or wherever where it came from...
But hey, sorry if I'm cutting into your snark time or something.
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Sgt.Slappy Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:58:38pm |
re: #49 SlartyBartfast
Chattering classes... classes. Classes. Now, where have I heard some famous bearded dead guy go on and on about economic classes. Groucho? no... his mustache was painted on. Hmmm.
...and y'know, I wonder which chattering class 'ol Chuckie was talking about : the proletariat, the bourgeoisie or the petty bourgeoisie.
| 1018 |
Mel Lono Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:39:01pm |
"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
from the Iron Lady herself.
Margaret Thatcher
| 1019 |
GT Charlie Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:06:23pm |
Landrieu (D) LA - Yea
Vitter (R) LA - Nay
I'm gonna remember that (as if I could forget Mary's performance during Katrina).
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