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1 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:57:48am

Lord have mercy.

2 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:57:56am

Wheeee!

3 ThinkRight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:06am

RIP U.S.

4 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:07am

Trainwreck approaching.

5 phoenixgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:10am

drat

6 Kragar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:11am

Fucking whores

7 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:25am

Still has to pass the House. Which it will.

8 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:28am

Breaking: Senate Passes Stimulus

I'll say it's breaking us.

9 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:39am

Is it too late to mail them a tea bag?

10 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:42am

I never thought I'd say that I trust Wall Street.

/at the moment, I do

11 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:43am

Senate passes stimulus to cause our country to break.

12 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:58:52am

And moving right along......

13 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:05am

re: #8 Bloodnok

Breaking: Senate Passes Stimulus

I'll say it's breaking us.

Mere seconds behind. GMTA.

14 phoenixgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:07am

henrietta hughs is getting stimulus!/

15 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:12am

Well, that's that.

The last nail has been put in the coffin of the longest economic expansion in history.

16 ThinkRight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:21am

Rush just blamed the RINO repubs

17 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:30am

re: #7 Charles

Still has to pass the House. Which it will.

Sadly, it seems that every iteration gets larger...

18 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:49am

re: #15 Tigger2005

Well, that's that.

The last nail has been put in the coffin of the longest economic expansion in history.

Since 1776

19 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:59:54am
20 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:00:12am

re: #16 ThinkRight

Rush just blamed the RINO repubs

He is right in doing so. Now the dems and three repubs own the debacle.

21 BGOH  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:00:12am

Go and hug the elderly ones that you love.

22 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:00:20am

What were the vote numbers?

23 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:00:26am

re: #22 CyanSnowHawk

What were the vote numbers?

61-37

24 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:00:37am

re: #22 CyanSnowHawk

What were the vote numbers?

61-37

25 Adrenalyn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:00:48am

well, the 12th Mahdi has appeared
and NOT in Iran

26 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:03am

I feel a disturbance in the Force..........

27 Kragar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:03am

So, about that compound in the middle of nowhere...

I got guns and skills to contribute

28 phoenixgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:06am

re: #21 BGOH

Go and hug the elderly ones that you love.

and hide the sick

29 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:14am

The Dow is dropping. Now at 7993.

30 Picayune  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:34am

re: #7 Charles


Can we all start singing "Happy Days Are Here Again" now, or do we really have to wait for the House to rubber-stamp this Document of Doom?

31 wiffersnapper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:35am

Shocka!

32 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:38am

re: #26 LGoPs

I feel a disturbance in the Force..........

That was your wallet being picked

33 Adrenalyn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:50am

send lawyers, guns and money

is that right, or is something wrong about above ?

34 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:53am

That tremor you just heard is the Founding Father's turning over in their graves.....

35 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:01:57am

We ought to hang three gold balls on the white house.

36 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:04am

Look on the bright side, what's-her-name won't have to work or pay her house or car payment anymore.

37 wiffersnapper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:04am

so because 3 repubs voted for it it becomes bipartisan?

38 Kragar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:14am

Everyone you know or will know for the rest of your life was just sold out and placed in debt by these cocksuckers

39 Tricky Dick  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:17am

Like I said before, B. Hussien Obama and the democratically controlled congress are going to send the world into a depression that makes the followup of the 1929 stock market crash look like a walk in the park. If you're smart, you'll exercise your right to bear arms as soon as possible.

40 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:17am

re: #26 LGoPs

I feel a disturbance in the Force..........

As if millions of souls screamed out "We're F*cked!" at the same time.

41 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:30am

re: #29 Charles

The Dow is dropping. Now at 7993.

There goes what's left of my 201k plan ...

42 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:32am

re: #36 Tigger2005

Look on the bright side, what's-her-name won't have to work or pay her house or car payment anymore.

My wife?

43 red satellite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:37am

Remind me not to visit Maine. Not to vacation there, nor live there.

44 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:39am

Last chance... If the GOP is invited to the negotiating table...

Oh and don't forget Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins... They made this happen... Flood their phone lines.

45 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:41am

re: #29 Charles

The Dow is dropping. Now at 7993.

Here's the chart of Dow for today, for those who want to keep watch.

46 phoenixgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:48am

re: #36 Tigger2005

Look on the bright side, what's-her-name won't have to work or pay her house or car payment anymore.


henrietta hughs

47 equable  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:48am

Wow, Henrietta Hughes getting hooked up.

"Gimme!"

*Realizes PR opportunity*

"Sure!*

48 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:48am

re: #29 Charles

When the Dow gets to 1776, all the lefties will wave little flags.

49 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:51am

Michelle Malkin has her typical cutting analysis...

“You lost,” Sen. Schumer sneered. Besides, he taunted, the “American people really don’t care” about all those “little tiny, yes, porky amendments” that the “chattering classes” have exposed...Sixteen seconds packed with trademark liberal contempt, self-delusion, and oily arrogance.

Easy to claim the American people “don’t care” when your voicemail and e-mailboxes are clogged with messages that will never be heard or read before the next rush to judgment takes place.

(Check the video.)

50 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:51am
51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:02:56am

re: #7 Charles

Still has to pass the House. Which it will.

(True story) When I was in 1st grade, I swallowed a nickel. This was in the late 40s. It was a fortune to a kid. My mother explained to her disconsolate son that it would come out eventually. She was right. It passed.

/didn't realize until now that my mother was a savvy political commentator

52 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:03am

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Everyone you know or will know for the rest of your life was just sold out and placed in debt by these cocksuckers

Well it will be nice to have company I guess?

53 ThinkRight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:03am

re: #29 Charles

The Dow is dropping. Now at 7993.

How low can it go ?

54 Adrenalyn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:06am

re: #29 Charles

The Dow is dropping. Now at 7993.

I sure hope you don't expect anyone to ding you up for this

and I sure can't ding you down for it

all I can say is @#$%&&* !

we're doomed, in other words

55 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:09am

re: #29 Charles

The Dow is dropping. Now at 7993.

I don't see a bottom. This is really going to be bad.

56 Kragar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:12am

re: #37 wiffersnapper

so because 3 repubs voted for it it becomes bipartisan?

If it were up to me, they would be ejected from the Party.

57 Picayune  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:18am

O - "you are meddling with the Forces of the Universe"! - Network.

58 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:26am

Welcome to the 1970's

Welcome Back, Carter.

Damnation, here we go again

59 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:03:55am

re: #36 Tigger2005

Look on the bright side, what's-her-name won't have to work or pay her house or car payment anymore.

Nor should we... F-them.

60 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:03am

re: #29 Charles

The Dow is dropping. Now at 7993.

I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
/

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:05am

re: #35 Ojoe

We ought to hang three gold balls on the white house.

*rimshot*

62 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:07am

Hey, I've got an idea. We can send out best and brightest over to Russia to learn how to be good little apparatchiks from the real masters.
/

63 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:17am

Geittner gave the press an "overview", but no details. It's a formula for future uncertainty, arbitrary government decisions, and continuing economic contraction going forward.

64 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:40am

7976.

65 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:46am

re: #45 gmsc

Here's the chart of Dow for today, for those who want to keep watch.

Jeez! Looks like one of those maps of the continental shelf, like when we were in elementary school and they still taught stuff.

66 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:47am
67 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:58am

re: #35 Ojoe

We ought to hang three gold balls on the white house.

re: #61 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*rimshot*

No, we reserve rimshots for jokes.

68 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:04:58am

re: #50 Ehlobuddy

Specter has a recurrence of his cancer, and probably won't be running for re-election.

69 phoenixgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:26am

when will these idiots get that if there is no money to pay for something.....you don't get to buy it?

70 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:33am

re: #64 Charles

7976.

It's got a 76 in it! Patriotism!

71 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:45am
72 thefallingman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:47am

A political cartoonist back home has this summed up about right.
Scott Stantis

73 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:48am

NRO asks two questions (for Obama).

What do we do if the Japanese and Chinese stop buying all of our debt?

What is your exit strategy for paying off this debt?

I have a quiestion. The liberal buzzword for the past 5 years have been "organic". So I ask, how is borrowing money to create a minimal artifical stimulas, organic?

74 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:49am

re: #67 gmsc

Unfortunately it is not a joke.

Also, if I have no work, I can't pay taxes.

75 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:54am

SOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
PIG-PIG-PIG-PIG-PIG!
SOOOOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEE!

76 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:05:59am

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

Hell, I figured on working until I dropped dead anyway. And if not, dying in the street like a dog.

You won't have to die in the street; they'll take you to the soylent green factory first.
"I'm not dead yet!"

77 VioletTiger  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:00am

Oh crap! 3 morons sold us down the river. I hope they lose as much sleep as the rest of us.

78 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:05am

re: #44 tfc3rid

Last chance... If the GOP is invited to the negotiating table...

Oh and don't forget Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins... They made this happen... Flood their phone lines.

I hope the fuckwits at the RSCC who supported Snarlin' Arlen over Pat Toomey are happy now.

79 jamgarr  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:13am

re: #30 Picayune

Can we all start singing "Happy Days Are Here Again" now, or do we really have to wait for the House to rubber-stamp this Document of Doom?

More likely: "Buddy, can you spare a dime?"

80 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:13am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

It's the shop that has all our stuff.

81 Shakey Jakey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:14am

re: #68 quickjustice

He has already said that he is

82 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:17am
83 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:23am

re: #58 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Welcome Back, Carter.

84 ThinkRight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:29am

The lottery will be a better retirement plan for the next 4 years

85 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:35am

re: #7 Charles

Still has to pass the House. Which it will.

It's going to go to a conference committee, which will then add billions back to the bill so as to ensure passage when Congress again votes.

It will get signed by Obama, and the final tally will exceed the $800+ billion now included (no one really knows the true cost, but it will exceed $1 trillion when factoring in interest and debt costs going forward.

They've raided the treasury and handed the keys to the kids.

86 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:41am

re: #37 wiffersnapper

3 Republicans out of 435 members does not "bipartisan" make.

87 Kragar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:43am

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

Hell, I figured on working until I dropped dead anyway. And if not, dying in the street like a dog.

Thanks to the National Ponzi Scheme, I figure I'll never see a dime of Social Security. I'll consider myself lucky if I can die working at this point.

88 BingoBunny  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:47am

Have they added the house bill and senate bill together for the mother of all stimulus bills yet.. 1.65 trillion $ and counting.

89 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:47am

re: #68 quickjustice

Specter has a recurrence of his cancer, and probably won't be running for re-election.

This is one helluva parting gift for his constituents.

90 SummerSong  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:06:54am

It passes and the market dives 300 points.

It is what it is...

91 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:06am

re: #85 lawhawk

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Senate has to vote on the combined package too?

92 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:09am

re: #84 ThinkRight

I'll die in harness.

93 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:10am

re: #68 quickjustice

Specter has a recurrence of his cancer, and probably won't be running for re-election.

He won't let a little thing like dying stand in the way of his ego.

94 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:26am

Fast-track to 3rd world status is what 69 million Americans wanted, apparently.

95 ThinkRight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:33am

re: #77 VioletTiger

Oh crap! 3 morons sold us down the river. I hope they lose as much sleep as the rest of us.


They will not lose sleep

96 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:34am

re: #92 Ojoe

I'll die in harness.

Kinky!

97 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:36am

re: #92 Ojoe

I'll die in harness.

Nelson Rockefeller did.

98 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:37am

re: #86 quickjustice

3 Republicans out of 435 members does not "bipartisan" make.

The Senate only has 100 members.

Your point is still valid, however.

99 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:07:37am

Fuck you RINOs.

100 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:01am

And here's part of what we can now expect:

Costly bank rescue plan aims to increase trust

From the article:

Access to government resources is a privilege not a right and comes with tough new conditions and responsibilities. We need to earn the public’s trust that those who were not responsible for this crisis aren’t bearing a bigger burden than those who were.

Translation: We help you, we own you.

And:

To increase transparency and accountability to protect taxpayers, Treasury will:

- launch a new website, FinancialStability.gov, to detail where federal funds are going and whether they are succeeding in stabilizing the financial system and promoting new lending, including posting all contracts on the Internet.

- require banks to show how government assistance will expand lending and how they intend to use taxpayer dollars.

- Restrict dividends, stock repurchases and acquisitions to provide assurance that all taxpayer money will go to promote lending until that money is paid back.

- Limit executive compensation, restrict golden parachutes and require disclosure of luxury spending provisions so the public can hold them accountable.

- Prohibit political influence in investment decisions by restricting contact with lobbyists.

101 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:07am
102 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:09am

re: #98 gmsc

The Senate only has 100 members.

Your point is still valid, however.

It's not just the Senate the poster means.

103 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:14am
104 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:16am

re: #82 Ehlobuddy

Listen, I am one of his constiuents in PA.

I am furious he did this.

But that comment is beyond the pale.

105 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:17am

re: #91 tfc3rid

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Senate has to vote on the combined package too?

House you mean.

Maybe the Dow dropping like a stone will scare them.

But probably not.

106 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:22am

re: #96 Guanxi88

... at the drafting board ...

107 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:28am

Stop using credit cards... Pay off your debts. Save your $$... Never take a loan again, except for a home... Pay everything off as fast as possible... Invest in something high growth...

Create your own wealth... F the government.

108 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:28am

re: #44 tfc3rid

Last chance... If the GOP is invited to the negotiating table...

Oh and don't forget Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins... They made this happen... Flood their phone lines.

I'm planning on sending each of them a letter thanking them from the bottom of my heart for ruining my future.

I'm 18. I'll have to pay for this behemoth for the rest of my life.

109 phoenixgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:40am

re: #68 quickjustice

Specter has a recurrence of his cancer, and probably won't be running for re-election.

i'm sorry his cancer is back, i'm can only hope that if he runs again he gets soundly defeated in the primary ...... why he was continuously voted into office is beyond me..... he is one of the many "r's" that should be kicked out of the party and stripped of all committee positions

110 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:46am

re: #106 Ojoe

... at the drafting board ...

Very kinky!

111 pat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:08:56am

Corrupt as well as stupid. Wonderful combination.

112 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:01am

re: #81 Shakey Jakey

I heard Cornyn, chairman of RSCC, speak last night. He was asked about whether the RSCC would support Specter's re-election, and said, "Let's see if he announces for re-election first."

113 Ehlobuddy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:02am

So, these Senators represent their constituency, right? I can't fathom this. This is not real, right? Tell me I'm on The Onion right now.

114 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:03am

re: #102 capitalist piglet

It's not just the Senate the poster means.

Oh, if they meant the combined House and Senate, then it's 536 people.

115 SalsaNChips  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:15am

Stock up on MRE’s, canned goods, ammo and gold coinage. Seriously.

116 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:16am

How long have they been pushing mass transit?

Portland's Trimet called me to ask how often I take single-person trips?

I have five children under the age of 13...

Hold on, break down, hold on to your cap, dude. Get a grip. Get help.

117 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:18am

re: #94 FurryOldGuyJeans

Fast-track to 3rd world status is what 69 million Americans wanted, apparently.

69 Million is only 23% of the population... NOT a large percentage...

118 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:26am

Me? Well, I always kinda figured things would turn for the worse - I just didn't think it would be so soon, is all.

119 Adrenalyn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:26am

re: #99 Ward Cleaver

Fuck you RINOs.

here, here !

120 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:29am

re: #107 tfc3rid

Word up!

121 Dave the.....  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:34am

I heard Susan Collins on the radio yesterday. She didn't really seem to grasp economic principles. Very simplistic views.

122 Kragar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:47am

re: #107 tfc3rid

Stop using credit cards... Pay off your debts. Save your $$... Never take a loan again, except for a home... Pay everything off as fast as possible... Invest in something high growth...

Create your own wealth... F the government.

Working on that now.

123 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:51am

re: #74 Ojoe

Unfortunately it is not a joke.

Also, if I have no work, I can't pay taxes.

that's my strategy...no work record that is

124 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:51am

re: #67 gmsc

No, we reserve rimshots for jokes.

Sorry.

/*slinks off ... meekly sits in corner*

125 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:54am

re: #105 Tigger2005

House you mean.

Maybe the Dow dropping like a stone will scare them.

But probably not.


No it won't scare them

126 jester6  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:57am

There is a silver lining here folks. There is widespread support for the idea of a stimulus bill... but Obama cannot seem to lead his party to craft a bill to take advantage of this support.

The Republicans and Democrats all know nationalized healthcare is the Rubicon the country needs to cross if we are going to have a European style social democracy. There is nowhere near the support for nationalized healthcare when compared to the general idea of a stimulus deal.

This is good.

127 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:09:57am

re: #114 gmsc

Oh, if they meant the combined House and Senate, then it's 536 people.

536?

128 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:04am

re: #117 tfc3rid

69 Million is only 23% of the population... NOT a large percentage...

69 million is all it took to get O and the Dem Congress elected, though.

129 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:06am

cannibals report humans taste like pork

130 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:08am

re: #107 tfc3rid

Stop using credit cards... Pay off your debts. Save your $$... Never take a loan again, except for a home... Pay everything off as fast as possible... Invest in something high growth...

Create your own wealth... F the government.

A Big Amen to that !

131 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:08am

re: #45 gmsc

The Dow dropping is the result of a double whammy - Senate passing Tarp, and Geithner pushing TARP 2, the wrath of insane economic policy.

And when the trillions thrown at everything in a shotgun approach does nothing to stabilize the economy, the Democrats answer will be to demand trillions more spent - with the same damned result, pushing us not only deeper into debt, but undermining the market economy.

The GOP answer is what? Three surrendered to the insane economic policies, because they think that the GOP can't spend enough money to compete?

Democrats answers to all problems is more government spending.

The GOP still isn't getting the message out that this is fiscally irresponsible and destructive to the long term wellbeing of the nation.

Democrats are demagogues throwing money all about, knowing that it will buy them votes.

132 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:14am
133 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:15am

I'll let Howard Beale speak for me:

134 Ehlobuddy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:19am

re: #104 formercorpsman

Listen, I am one of his constiuents in PA.

I am furious he did this.

But that comment is beyond the pale.

Kind of like his support of this bill.

135 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:20am

re: #114 gmsc

Oh, if they meant the combined House and Senate, then it's 536 people.

Sorry, you're right - I had to scroll back to see the number.

136 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:26am

re: #121 Dave the.....

I heard Susan Collins on the radio yesterday. She didn't really seem to grasp economic principles. Very simplistic views.

She, and the rest of us, are about to get a valuable lesson in economic principles.

137 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:28am

re: #105 Tigger2005

House you mean.

Maybe the Dow dropping like a stone will scare them.

But probably not.

No, I mean the Senate... They and the House are going to committee to table a revised bill... Isn't the Senate required to vote on a revised Joint resultion?

138 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:10:56am

re: #136 gmsc

She, and the rest of us, are about to get a valuable costly lesson in economic principles.

Edited for clarity.

139 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:04am

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's great advice not only for tough times. We'd all be better off if people lived like that when times are good too.

140 Shakey Jakey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:10am

re: #112 quickjustice

He was on the radio [I believe it was the beginning of this week or the end of last-WHO 580 Harrisburg] and said that he plans to run for reelection again.

141 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:15am

OK, people. I know this is bad, but let's step back from the ledges. This is still the United States of America. We still have the right to vote these people out and fix this thing, at least in the long term. I know that we will be paying for this for a long time, but there will be an end to it. As I see it, the Dem's just signed their own eviction papers. There is no way that this will turn out well for them. 2 years from now the turn over will begin, and in 4 years I believe it will be complete.

We need to look to the future and guard against further incursions against our rights. This battle may be lost, but the war continues, and likely will never end. We must always stay focused on the next win and not dwell on the losses.

142 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:31am

re: #91 tfc3rid

It does. And I expect that it will.

They have the votes to make it happen. Passage of this offal porkfest will happen regardless of what the GOP does.

Thanks to everyone who decided to "punish" the GOP over the past two electoral cycles, the Treasury is being raided like never before and there's not a thing anyone can do to stop it.

143 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:32am

re: #107 tfc3rid

Stop using credit cards... Pay off your debts. Save your $$... Never take a loan again, except for a home... Pay everything off as fast as possible... Invest in something high growth...

Create your own wealth... F the government.

Never owned a credit card, and my home is paid for. Not only do I not get loans, but I have people who owe me back for loans.

144 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:38am

7954 - it's at 7954 as of just a moment ago.

145 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:46am
146 jester6  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:48am

re: #84 ThinkRight

The lottery will be a better retirement plan for the next 4 years

If you are going to build your retirement in dollar denominated assets the lottery will be a better retirement plan forever.

147 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:11:51am

re: #138 Guanxi88

Edited for clarity.

I like it!

148 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:04am

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Working on that now.

Same here... I'm 4 months away...

149 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:16am

Obama is going to be doing some healing after the townhall. People can line up and he will place hands on their body to heal them and make them receive money from the guvment.

150 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:21am

re: #134 Ehlobuddy

Listen, we agree on that. I would never, ever pray anyone gets cancer, (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, if that was not what you meant) because those inferences are of Kos, or HP dreams.

Leave the ugly stuff to the inmates.

151 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:26am

re: #144 Guanxi88

7954 - it's at 7954 as of just a moment ago.

I am slightly surprised it is taking so long to drop.

152 ThinkRight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:28am

re: #129 Ojoe

cannibals report humans taste like pork


I call dibs on Faith Hill
/

153 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:12:33am

History shows again and again
How nature points out the folly of Dems...
PORKZILLA!

154 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:13:16am

re: #151 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am slightly surprised it is taking so long to drop.

Well, I imagine that there's just a lot of traffic on the servers just now, although part of it could be the traders are drinking their blues away and haven't returned to the pit yet.

155 The Optimist  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:13:27am

Dang. I hope Oprah has room for everyone at her house.

156 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:13:29am

Dissent is patriotic.

Live it.

157 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:13:30am

re: #126 jester6

There is a silver lining here folks. There is widespread support for the idea of a stimulus bill... but Obama cannot seem to lead his party to craft a bill to take advantage of this support.

What they've done is to convince a sizable portion of the voters (but by no means a majority) that this crap sandwich is a stimulus bill. Even if it were a stimulus bill, it would be worthless, because you CANNOT spend your way out of a recession. So it's just stupid piled on stupid.

158 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:13:55am

re: #155 Venezuela lover

Dang. I hope Oprah has room for everyone at her house.

Nah, the place is barely large enough for her ego.

159 Kragar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:01am

re: #148 tfc3rid

Same here... I'm 4 months away...

50% gone by the end of the month, 25% gone when I get my taxes finished, loose change to go

160 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:01am
The Senate has passed the largest spending bill in history.

Give'em a week or two - when some figure out the check is not in the mail and the real bitch'in begins.

161 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:07am

re: #133 doppelganglander

I'll let Howard Beale speak for me:

[Video]

I didn't even click on the link; the clip is obvious.

162 thefallingman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:08am

Once again, I'm going to quote Primus, whose chorus to "Pork Soda" I think nicely sums up the legislative branch's view of this:

Grab yourself a can of pork soda
You'll be feeling just fine
Ain't nothin' quite like sittin' 'round the house
Swillin' down them Cans of swine

163 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:16am

From Michelle Malkin via Twitter...

"Savior-based economy moment: Ft. Myers woman just begged Obama to give her a home, kitchen, and bathrm. "

164 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:27am

re: #155 Venezuela lover

Dang. I hope Oprah has room for everyone at her house.

Is she still on a some wacky diet or does she have some real food in her house?

165 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:31am
Blow, wind! come, wrack!
At least we'll die with harness on our back.
Macbeth, scene v
166 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:33am

I received this in an email this morning - what perfect timing:

This year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment. This is a very exciting new program that I will explain using the Q
and A format:
Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A. It is money that the Federal government will send
to taxpayers in an attempt to boost our economy .

Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. Only a smidgen.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to
purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China?
A. Shut up.

Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the US economy by spending your stimulus check wisely:

If you spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.

If you spend it on gasoline, it will go to the oil rich countries... not us.

If you purchase a computer, it will go to India .

If you purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala (unless you buy organic).

If you buy a car, it will go to Japan.

If you purchase useless crap, it will go to Taiwan.

And none of it will help the American economy.

We need to keep that money here in America . You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball
games, or spending it on beer (domestic ONLY) or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US.

.

167 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:39am

re: #151 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am slightly surprised it is taking so long to drop.

I was watching at a Bloomberg terminal for a few minutes. For awhile it was going down almost a point per second.

168 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #141 Ford_Prefect


We need to look to the future and guard against further incursions against our rights. This battle may be lost, but the war continues, and likely will never end. We must always stay focused on the next win and not dwell on the losses.

There's no question a pep talk is needed, but if we couldn't stop something the majority of Americans did not want, how do you propose we "guard against further incursions against our rights"?

They're drunk with power, and I honestly don't think we have two years to waste passively watching them use it. I don't have the answer, but things are moving very quickly, and they are doing that for a reason.

169 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:45am

re: #151 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am slightly surprised it is taking so long to drop.

When it nears or drops below 8,000 it tends to bring out the bargain hunters. Of course, these stocks merely seem undervalued today. After the effects of Porkulus kick in, 8,000 may be twice what the DJIA is worth.

170 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:48am

re: #141 Ford_Prefect

Sorry, but I must have time to pass thru the seven (7) stages of grief:
- Shock or Disbelief
- Denial
- Anger
- Bargaining
- Guilt
- Depression
- Acceptance and Hope

I look forward to moving into the Anger phase

171 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:14:56am

re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

50% gone by the end of the month, 25% gone when I get my taxes finished, loose change to go

I have $25K to go... Be done by June... Painful right now but it will be wroth it in the long run.

172 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:15:16am

re: #139 Killgore Trout

It's great advice not only for tough times. We'd all be better off if people lived like that when times are good too.

I've been a Kiplinger Report nut for 35yrs

173 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:15:20am

re: #141 Ford_Prefect

I know this is bad, but let's step back from the ledges. This is still the United States of America. We still have the right to vote these people out and fix this thing,

You think so,give the dems a couple of years to gerrymander congressional districts and maybe not.

174 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:15:24am

re: #75 IslandLibertarian

SOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
PIG-PIG-PIG-PIG-PIG!
SOOOOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEE!

I hope you aren't meaning that in a Deliverance sense. Or are you?

/Why not? We're fucked.

175 mingjaiyo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:15:52am

I now have a very queesy feeling in my gut. I fear that history will come to see 11 February 2009 as the day The United States Of America, as it was known from the day of it's birth as a nation until today, has ceased to exist. For 8 years I tolerated the screaming voices on the Left bemoaning Bush's supposed "shredding of the Constitution". This very day I have witnessed that document not being shredded,but ignored and over-ridden roughshod by idealogical demogogues. I have at this moment the greatest fear for the continuance of my country that I have ever known. I can easily envision the middle to later chapters presented in "Atlas Shrugged" becoming reality,quite possibly within the next 4 to 8 years. Many on this page,including myself,at one time took an oath to "uphold and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic the Constitution of The United States". I wonder how anyone wearing "the uniform" today or who wore it in the past must feel about that oathtaking at this time. My oath has been violated by those in the government of my country that also swore to protect and defend,and yet I have no voice...no voice that could get me deleted or banned from Lizardom for things I could say or advocate here,or potentially land me in jail or worse for potential actions I could take. As a student of history, today I am truly saddened by that which has passed in my country today.

176 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:12am
177 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:13am

re: #167 Bloodnok

I was watching at a Bloomberg terminal for a few minutes. For awhile it was going down almost a point per second.

That is still slow compared to other days recently past when 10 points every 30 seconds seemed to have been the norm.

178 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:15am

re: #163 tfc3rid

From Michelle Malkin via Twitter...

"Savior-based economy moment: Ft. Myers woman just begged Obama to give her a home, kitchen, and bathrm. "

Was it Peggy the Moocher?

She does live in Sarasota....

179 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:21am

re: #50 Ehlobuddy

The broads in Maine need to go

That was uncalled for. Use their names, rip them up personally.....all fair. But sexists generalizations do not help the debate around here.

180 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:28am

re: #175 mingjaiyo

It started 22 days earlier.

181 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:30am
182 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:16:46am

re: #157 doppelganglander

What they've done is to convince a sizable portion of the voters (but by no means a majority) that this crap sandwich is a stimulus bill. Even if it were a stimulus bill, it would be worthless, because you CANNOT spend your way out of a recession. So it's just stupid piled on stupid.

Here's a link to an interesting article at Commentary

Alas, the questions raised by a proposed stimulus—whether to apply it, what sort it should be, how much it should cost, and when it should begin and end—are far trickier to answer than problems involving dead batteries. And, remarkably enough, history and economic research offer no conclusive answers. The recession that began in 2008 could turn out to be the worst slowdown since the Great Depression of the 1930’s. For three-quarters of a century, economists have been studying it diligently. And even now they cannot come to a definitive conclusion about the cause of that depression, the reasons for its severity and duration, or what cured it. In an introduction to a book of essays on the Great Depression he compiled in 2000, Ben S. Bernanke, then a Princeton professor and now chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, wrote, “Finding an explanation for the worldwide economic collapse of the 1930’s remains a fascinating intellectual challenge.”

Today, of course, the challenge is more than intellectual.

183 Logic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:17:03am

re: #30 Picayune

Can we all start singing "Happy Days Are Here Again" now, or do we really have to wait for the House to rubber-stamp this Document of Doom?

To make it truly appropriate, it should be sung in a minor key at a dirge temp.

It was inevitable that this monstrosity would pass - I'm just glad it didn't go through on Ronald Reagan's birthday (Feb. 6th).

To paraphrase Bette Davis, fasten your seatbelts - it's going to be a bumpy, downhill ride!

184 Athos  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:17:18am

re: #94 FurryOldGuyJeans

Fast-track to 3rd world status is what 69 million Americans wanted, apparently.


Yeah, but the 3rd world countries always get so much free money, aid, and assistance.

The House will pass this steaming pile of bill. It will only pass because of the 3 moronic RINO's. Specter will face a very strong Republican challenge if he decides to run in 2010, but ultimately, these 3 will own this POS just as the Progressives and Messiah will own it. The RNC had better not provide one red cent to any of these 3 twits if they want to see any money from me....or I hope most of the base. Steele's actions on this will define the future of the Republican party.

Expect a call in 2011, after the Bush tax cuts expire, for massive tax increases to 'pay off the debt' that this bill creates. That is ultimately the goal of the left here. Thanks to these nitwits, they have slip streamed major fundamental change and government control in the guise of a stimulus. I can envision 60-70% as a max tax rate to fufill the socialistic goals of Reid, Pelosi, and Obama.

Despite the One's rhetoric, this isn't the worse economic conditions since the Great Depression. It isn't even worse than the Carter created economic crisis of 1979-81. But this bill ensures that it will be.

185 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:17:34am

re: #166 Cygnus


We need to keep that money here in America . You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball
games, or spending it on beer (domestic ONLY) or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US.

Forget the beer (well, maybe not...) baseball games, tatoos and yardsales and send them a double message by buying an American made firearm and ammunition.

AMERICA'S RIFLE

186 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:17:45am

Down over 300 points now.

187 thefallingman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:17:54am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget the sex workers, operating at a location near you!


Hmmmm...that would explain the Pelosi VD education section...

188 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:18:00am

I wonder what my kids' silly generation is going to think when this shit gets monetized.

189 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:18:11am

re: #177 FurryOldGuyJeans

That is still slow compared to other days recently past when 10 points every 30 seconds seemed to have been the norm.

At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.

190 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:18:25am

re: #141 Ford_Prefect

That's true, but people have real lives they have to live regardless of what's going on. I am in the midst of paying down a sizable debt, but my husband just got laid off. I just made the last tuition payment for my older daughter, but my younger daughter is a junior in high school. Unless some of that spendulus is coming her way, I am not going to be able to provide the education she wants and deserves. I'm looking forward to 2010, but I've got to deal with what's happening now.

191 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:18:25am

re: #181 Ehlobuddy

Hey, fair enough. I said my peace, you said yours.

Like I mentioned, I think hysterics are better suited for people trying to sell snake oil, but opine as you see fit.

192 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:18:27am

Wow! Listen to that wooshing soud of America going down the toilet!

/I really, really wish this was sarcasm....

193 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:04am

re: #163 tfc3rid

From Michelle Malkin via Twitter...

"Savior-based economy moment: Ft. Myers woman just begged Obama to give her a home, kitchen, and bathrm. "

re: #178 loppyd

Was it Peggy the Moocher?

She does live in Sarasota....

Or, it could've been this woman (listen all the way to the end):

194 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:05am

re: #189 Bloodnok

At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.

It'll be on the dollar menu soon...

195 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:06am

20:16 Voter turnout as of 8 P.M. stands at 60% (Haaretz)

better than us here in the USA

196 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:07am

re: #163 tfc3rid

From Michelle Malkin via Twitter...

"Savior-based economy moment: Ft. Myers woman just begged Obama to give her a home, kitchen, and bathrm. "

What twitter account do I look for?
"Michelle Malkin"?

197 Kragar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:19am

re: #171 tfc3rid

I have $25K to go... Be done by June... Painful right now but it will be wroth it in the long run.

sheesh, I felt bad about $9.5k which is mostly medical expenses.

Got a kick in the nuts in December when I realized the $100 savings bonds I was getting in the USMC, I scheduled as bi-monthly, not monthly, so my imagined 10k turned into 5k. I started them in '93 and had them go to a safety deposit box and was just letting them sit there.

198 phoenixgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:25am

re: #188 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder what my kids' silly generation is going to think when this shit gets monetized.

your kids will be indoctrinated to believe what ever obama wants them to believe

199 pegcity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:33am

Lisa; Didn't you wonder why you were getting checks for doing nothing?
Grampa: I figured, 'cuz the Democrats were in power again.

200 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:50am

re: #189 Bloodnok

At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.

When it hits $0.45 is when I start the celebration.

201 thefallingman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:50am

re: #189 Bloodnok

At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.


Soon, the stocks will join the paper itself as only good for birdcage lining.

202 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:56am

So Spector still voted for this bill after being made aware of the stealth nationalization of health care stuffed into it?

I wonder if he realizes that the treatment he received for his cancer probably would not be approved by the government under this plan. Old people don't need chemo!

/

203 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:19:56am

re: #77 VioletTiger

Oh crap! 3 morons sold us down the river. I hope they lose as much sleep as the rest of us.

We should give them those 3 gold balls from the White House. One each, since they obviously don't have any.

204 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:00am

re: #181 Ehlobuddy

You're still acting like a KosKid or HuffPo reader....piss off!

205 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:14am

re: #199 pegcity

My father and I laughed at that so hard, years ago when we saw it.

206 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:26am

re: #184 Athos

O-Fraud is actively creating the wrost economic conditions since the Great Depression... It's all about control and dependency...

207 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:28am
208 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:50am

re: #198 phoenixgirl

your kids will be indoctrinated to believe what ever obama wants them to believe

exactly....they will never know anything but socialism...too bad

209 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:53am

It was only a matter of time.

210 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:54am

re: #181 Ehlobuddy

I couldn't, in all conscience, wish anything like that upon anyone.

Even if the person is my worst enemy.

211 jcbunga  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:20:58am

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution
which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence,the money of their constituents."

James Madison

212 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:08am

The Redistribution of Wealth & War on the Middle Class is in full swing.
I know that Ayn Rand plays to mixe reviews on LGF, but come on , doesn't this remind you some of Atlas Shrugged?

213 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:09am

Just an optimistic thought:

It appears, if I understand correctly, that most of the money won't be spent until two or more years down the line.

Okay, if that's true, we have elections in 2010. Throw out the House, and any Senator running for re-election (that voted for this).

Pass any needed legislation to minimize the damage.

(And yes, I believe in pixies too.)

214 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:12am

Ehlobuddy: continue posting comments like that and you're going to lose your account.

215 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:14am

I've been wondering is they are going to put the Glass Steagle Act back in place....
10 dirty tricks to jump-start a new bull, fast!
How Wall Street lobbyists, PR hot shots will limit reform, brainwash America

No Glass-Steagall revival
From 1933 until 1999 the Glass-Steagall Act separated banking to avoid conflicts of interest: Investment banks are high-risk gamblers playing with other people's money, raising capital, trading, crafting merger deals and earning commissions. Commercial bankers have a fiduciary responsibility to conserve capital and minimize depositors' risk; they earn salaries. In 1999 Congress tore down that wall.
Citigroup merged the two, became a financial supermarket, and has since lost 90% of its stock value, contributing to the meltdown. Still, last year Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs became bank holding companies to engage in both businesses and get free TARP money. Reviving Glass-Steagall would hurt them, and delay a new bull.


The repeal of Glass Steagle was a very direct cause of the current crisis and there are no plans to bring it back. There's a lot of partisan bitching and complaining but this is a very real problem.

216 Picayune  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:16am

re: #79 jamgarr

Yep, but more likely, "can you spare me $ 10,000.?"

I was so hyped by the "news", that I forgot my / tag. Pardon me.

217 jester6  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:18am

re: #185 Colonel Panik

Forget the beer (well, maybe not...) baseball games, tatoos and yardsales and send them a double message by buying an American made firearm and ammunition.

AMERICA'S RIFLE

Getting my rifle this weekend. Have plenty of ammo already.

218 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:41am

Black reporters unhappy with Obama

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Live by the racial card, die by the racial card

219 Ehlobuddy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:45am

re: #204 talon_262
feel free to ignore me, tool

220 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #202 loppyd

Old people don't need chemo!

And that is the dirty little secret about socialized medicine.

221 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #212 opnion

The Redistribution of Wealth & War on the Middle Class is in full swing.
I know that Ayn Rand plays to mixe reviews on LGF, but come on , doesn't this remind you some of Atlas Shrugged?

100%

222 ThinkRight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:21:55am

Intelligent design to be topic at Vatican meeting

VATICAN CITY (AP) - The Vatican will include discussion of intelligent design in a conference marking the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin's "On the Origin of Species," officials said Tuesday.
The announcement reverses a decision to exclude such discussion but officials said intelligent design would be treated only as a cultural phenomenon—not as science or theology.


ID

223 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:02am

re: #196 reine.de.tout

What twitter account do I look for?
"Michelle Malkin"?

All one word.

224 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:07am

re: #189 Bloodnok

At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.

NYT lost $35 million of market value today - so far.

225 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:11am

re: #200 FurryOldGuyJeans

When it hits $0.45 is when I start the celebration.

Hey, small victories! /

226 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:11am

Dow down 364 now.

227 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:13am

re: #134 Ehlobuddy

Kind of like his support of this bill.

I know you're pissed off (so am I), but it's not worth getting the stick over.

228 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:14am

re: #202 loppyd

It would not affect them.

There is a reason why there are no other patients scheduled when someone Mikulski gets an ingrown toenail, and has to be seen in Bethesda right away.

229 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:14am
230 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:18am

re: #168 capitalist piglet

There's no question a pep talk is needed, but if we couldn't stop something the majority of Americans did not want, how do you propose we "guard against further incursions against our rights"?

They're drunk with power, and I honestly don't think we have two years to waste passively watching them use it. I don't have the answer, but things are moving very quickly, and they are doing that for a reason.

Who said anything about being passive or waiting two years. We need to keep communicating with our elected officials. We need to keep educating the people around us. We need to keep writing in to our local papers and expressing our opinions loudly. Will we always be heard? No. But we need to keep doing it anyway. Places like this are a great place to get information that can be passed along to friends, family, Senators, Representatives, your kids teachers and anyone else you can think of. Don't let Obama succeed in his attempt to demoralize us. It is only then that we lose the war.

231 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:30am

re: #182 Leonidas Hoplite

Thanks for the link. I will read it as soon as I get a chance.

232 Ehlobuddy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:30am

re: #210 MrSilverDragon
you are a better man than me. And, by the way, they are your worst enemies.

233 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:32am
234 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:43am

re: #207 Ehlobuddy

Holy PC Police. Go hug a tree. They have done nothing to earn my respect. They are BROADS. Specter is a DOUCHE. There, now go fill or a form, talk to your therapist, whatever.

3mo and you own the room?.....you're laughable at best

235 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:48am

re: #202 loppyd

So Spector still voted for this bill after being made aware of the stealth nationalization of health care stuffed into it?

I wonder if he realizes that the treatment he received for his cancer probably would not be approved by the government under this plan. Old people don't need chemo!

/

So did Tester even though he said he would not....

236 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:48am

re: #207 Ehlobuddy

Dude, it's one thing to disagree with someone based on their actions, but wholly another to wish bodily harm or death on them. That shit don't fly around here, so I'd temper it if you don't wanna get whacked by Stinky.

237 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:22:53am

re: #188 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder what my kids' silly generation is going to think when this shit gets monetized.

That's easy. They'll think Bush was the worst president evah.

238 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:01am

With further apologies to Blue Oyster Cult..

Helpless people begin to pray
As it rips the guts out of their 401k...
PORKZILLA!

ACORN gathers at the trough to feed
As all your investments begin to bleed...
PORKZILLA!

Oh, no
This bill has got to go!
No, No, PORKZILLA!

239 Born_to_lose  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:07am

Had to hold back the anxiety induced, acid ladden, re-visit with lunch that almost just happened all over my key board. This is so bad. So, so so bad.

240 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:19am

re: #223 tfc3rid

All one word.

got it, thank you!

241 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:21am

re: #226 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Dow down 364 now.

Holy crap! Barry needs to get on the phone and let these guys know they need to turn it around right now! Their obstructionist behavior and attempts to sabotage his presidency cannot go unpunished forever.

242 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:48am

re: #207 Ehlobuddy

Holy PC Police. Go hug a tree. They have done nothing to earn my respect. They are BROADS. Specter is a DOUCHE. There, now go fill or a form, talk to your therapist, whatever.

I am a woodworker....saw trees up. So fuck off loser.

243 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:50am

re: #186 efuseakay

Down over 300 points now.

I was just at Staples and while waiting for the dude to check availability of something at another store I walked over to a bank of computers and signed onto the whole row and pulled up the Drudge Report with the headline THANKS TIM with a nice chart of the Dow plunging.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

244 Athos  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:23:57am

re: #109 phoenixgirl

I agree with you, but unfortunately, the RNC and leadership are too weak to take such a stand. They are, apparently afraid of the PR backlash that would result. Of course, the Dems don't have an issue with that. In Excremento, a Democratic Assemblyperson voted against a Democratic sponsored budget bill that dramatically hiked taxes stating that the predominately farming community she represented would not accept this and that the bill excluded a water amendment that she tried to push to assist those she represented. In punishment, the Dem leadership kicked her out of her office in the State Capital and moved it to an annex across the street - the only member of the Assembly or Senate who didn't have an office in the Capital building.

There was no outcry.

Frankly, if I were of the Republican leadership, I would invite these 3 to become Democrats as they would no longer be welcome in the Republican caucus. They should lose all seniority and committee positions as well as any RNC funds or assistance. Granted, the point is that these 3 do not remove the Dem ownership of the steaming pile of 'stimulus' but there has to be repercussions.

245 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:02am
246 bellamags  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:15am

can the DOW ever get to 1?

247 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:22am

re: #140 Shakey Jakey

I don't wish illness upon anyone, but Specter's condition may change his mind about running for re-election.

248 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:37am

re: #189 Bloodnok

At least it is taking the NY Times down with it. NYT is trading under $4.50.

Anything that fucks Carlos Slim is fine with me.

/So, how do we get at George Soros?

249 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:53am

re: #241 Guanxi88

Holy crap! Barry needs to get on the phone and let these guys know they need to turn it around right now! Their obstructionist behavior and attempts to sabotage his presidency cannot go unpunished forever.

They need to keep this knucklehead away from the damned television! He's a Dow killer

250 ThinkRight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:24:57am

re: #246 bellamags

can the DOW ever get to 1?


I am confident Obama is working on it

251 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:06am

re: #246 bellamags

can the DOW ever get to 1?

We shall see. /

252 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:08am

re: #245 Ehlobuddy

Last warning.

253 jcbunga  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:18am

Sadly, we're gonna need it to implode before we can fix it.

There are moments in history when disaster strikes and teaches a lesson. The RMS Titanic, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, Pelosi's plastic surgery, and now this.

254 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:20am

re: #240 reine.de.tout

got it, thank you!

check for me there as well!

255 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:28am

re: #190 doppelganglander

I understand that. We all are dealing with this economic situation as it has hit us. My point is simply that this country is not dead, as some have stated, and won't be as long as we keep fighting.

256 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:37am

re: #238 Colonel Panik

With further apologies to Blue Oyster Cult..

Helpless people begin to pray
As it rips the guts out of their 401k...
PORKZILLA!

ACORN gathers at the trough to feed
As all your investments begin to bleed...
PORKZILLA!

Oh, no
This bill has got to go!
No, No, PORKZILLA!

Can I call Obama Johnny Scrappleseed ?
Seems accurate.

257 bolivar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:43am

Dos is at 7906 at 1:23 EST. This is getting real good - who is making the kettle corn? I got the soda and Ward Cleaver has the board games and we can have a regular good ol time. down way on dooowwwnn way way on down.......

way on down
/channeling Elvis

258 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:44am

re: #249 Wyatt Earp

They need to keep this knucklehead away from the damned television! He's a Dow killer

I don't know - if I were a big wheeler-dealer, I'd want eyes on him at all times - no telling what he'd get up to if he thought nobody was watching.

259 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:48am

re: #246 bellamags
Unlikely but it could lose 80%-90% of its value from the high. The Dow didn't bottom until 1931 or 1932

260 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:55am

re: #248 unreconstructed rebel

Anything that fucks Carlos Slim is fine with me.

/So, how do we get at George Soros?

A strong dollar f**ks George Soros.

261 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:25:56am

re: #244 Athos

Frankly, if I were of the Republican leadership, I would invite these 3 to become Democrats as they would no longer be welcome in the Republican caucus. They should lose all seniority and committee positions as well as any RNC funds or assistance. Granted, the point is that these 3 do not remove the Dem ownership of the steaming pile of 'stimulus' but there has to be repercussions.


Works for me.

262 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:05am

re: #248 unreconstructed rebel

Anything that fucks Carlos Slim is fine with me.

His family name is Salim. Not sure why they changed it.

263 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:08am

re: #175 mingjaiyo

Cheer up! We survived the Depression, which was far worse. The only way we lose is by giving up.

264 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:12am

re: #218 Nevergiveup

Black reporters unhappy with Obama

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Live by the racial card, die by the racial card

I can never make black people happy.

265 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:17am
266 Ehlobuddy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:20am

re: #234 albusteve
Who said anything about owning the room? I love people who throw the good old "I've been here longer than you" line out there in threads. I'm real impressed with your longevity. Free cookies in the lunch room.

267 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:20am

re: #247 quickjustice

I don't wish illness upon anyone, but Specter's condition may change his mind about running for re-election.

And since he's a Senator, he probably doesn't have to worry about the stealth health care rationing provisions of the Porkulus. Only us rabble do.

268 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:22am

tick tick tick tick tick
/timebomb on the thread, waiting to go off

269 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:34am

It doesn't have to pass the House, it has to go to a House/Senate conference to "iron out" the differences between the bill the House passed and the bill the Senate Passed.
Let us hope that the conference committee takes out the provisions that allow the Federal Government to overrule your decisions on your health care, seconded by your Doctor and agreed to by either your Health Insurer or Medicare, at a minimum.

270 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:55am

re: #202 loppyd

So Spector still voted for this bill after being made aware of the stealth nationalization of health care stuffed into it?

I wonder if he realizes that the treatment he received for his cancer probably would not be approved by the government under this plan. Old people don't need chemo!/

What does he care? He gets special super-deluxe congressional health care. Meanwhile, if we can't afford our COBRA payments, our coverage will lapse and we'll be paying out of pocket for my husband's and my chronic illnesses, with no assurance that we can ever get health insurance again. And if they do put socialized medicine in place, they'll probably decide we make too much to qualify.

Yeah, I'm in a crappy mood today.

271 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:26:56am

re: #245 Ehlobuddy

Dude, I am tired of taking this crap sitting down. We ALL need to reach a level of FURY. We can bitch and whine about it. One day we will have to DO something. I am already primed.

by wishing harm on others?....what a genius!

272 nucular_option  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:02am

The future currencies will be gold, lead, and brass. I'm a little short on all three.

Keep the money in the US buying Remington, Marlin, Savage, S&W, Colt, and others.

273 Shakey Jakey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:08am

re: #247 quickjustice

It may and I hope it does. He is getting worse as he gets older.This morning I heard a little blurb on the news where he said that he wishes the bill would have had hearings but he would vote for it anyway.

274 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:16am

re: #230 Ford_Prefect

Who said anything about being passive or waiting two years. We need to keep communicating with our elected officials. We need to keep educating the people around us. We need to keep writing in to our local papers and expressing our opinions loudly. Will we always be heard? No. But we need to keep doing it anyway. Places like this are a great place to get information that can be passed along to friends, family, Senators, Representatives, your kids teachers and anyone else you can think of. Don't let Obama succeed in his attempt to demoralize us. It is only then that we lose the war.

I'm saying it's going to take more than that. We're going to experience more days like today - many more - unless we find a way to communicate beyond what we've already done.

275 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:17am

I hear the whoosh of the stick.

/don't stand too close

276 Yashmak  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:22am

re: #173 bulwrk

I know this is bad, but let's step back from the ledges. This is still the United States of America. We still have the right to vote these people out and fix this thing,

You think so,give the dems a couple of years to gerrymander congressional districts and maybe not.

Worse yet, we won't see the effect of the debt this will generate until some time after the next election. . .perhaps not until 2-3 administrations from now. We can vote the folks responsible out of office, but the damage is now done. This money will be borrowed and spent by then, leaving future administrations (Republican or Democrat) to deal with the fallout.

All this, and we're only a couple of weeks in. It's going to be a long 4 years.

277 jwb7605  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:23am

re: #263 quickjustice

Cheer up! We survived the Depression, which was far worse. The only way we lose is by giving up.

upding.
There are way too many "it's all over but the shouting" sentiments here.
I've got stuff to do.
Later!

278 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:27am

re: #228 formercorpsman

It would not affect them.

There is a reason why there are no other patients scheduled when someone Mikulski gets an ingrown toenail, and has to be seen in Bethesda right away.

So Teddy K won't have to pay cash for his cancer treatments? Because if he were just an average American he damn well skippy wouldn't be getting the treatment he is benefiting from.

How silly of me to think they would be put under the same scrutiny as the unwashed such.

279 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:32am

Does anyone know when this goes to the House?

280 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:47am

re: #252 Charles

Note to Ehlobuddy: Calm down before you get carried out...there's room for you if you can discuss stuff rationally and without wishing bodily harm on someone, but not if you insist on going off the rails like a KosKid.

281 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:27:52am
282 thefallingman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:06am

re: #267 Ward Cleaver

And since he's a Senator, he probably doesn't have to worry about the stealth health care rationing provisions of the Porkulus. Only us rabble do.


Some are more equal...

283 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:08am

re: #266 Ehlobuddy

Who said anything about owning the room? I love people who throw the good old "I've been here longer than you" line out there in threads. I'm real impressed with your longevity. Free cookies in the lunch room.


Its not about length of time, it is about respect and also about having cognent arguments. You have neither.

284 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:16am

I am getting seriously annoyed with all the Global Warming falling here right now.

I. Hate. Snow. :%P%

285 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:33am

re: #269 realwest

It doesn't have to pass the House, it has to go to a House/Senate conference to "iron out" the differences between the bill the House passed and the bill the Senate Passed.
Let us hope that the conference committee takes out the provisions that allow the Federal Government to overrule your decisions on your health care, seconded by your Doctor and agreed to by either your Health Insurer or Medicare, at a minimum.

The revised bill has to be voted on by both Houses again...

286 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:57am

re: #254 tfc3rid

check for me there as well!

gotcha!

287 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:28:58am

re: #228 formercorpsman

It would not affect them.

There is a reason why there are no other patients scheduled when someone Mikulski gets an ingrown toenail, and has to be seen in Bethesda right away.

Did you have to put that vision in my mind?

/somebody pass the brain bleach

288 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:00am

re: #258 Guanxi88

I don't know - if I were a big wheeler-dealer, I'd want eyes on him at all times - no telling what he'd get up to if he thought nobody was watching.


We could plan our stock swaps by his TV appearances! When he goes before the camera, the Dow plummets.

289 Windhorse  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:00am

7924

290 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:03am

re: #284 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am getting seriously annoyed with all the Global Warming falling here right now.

I. Hate. Snow. :%P%

Upside is, the snow makes ManBearPig easier to track.

291 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:03am

re: #245 Ehlobuddy

Here are your options:

1. You can vote
2. You can write coherent, rational letters to newspapers, magazines and your elected officials
3. You can protest--within the legal bounds you have been given
4. You can wear a t-shirt or slap on a bumper sticker
5. You can annoy people at parties
6. You can post reasonable, rational comments here
7. You can volunteer for politically-oriented civic organizations
8. You can donate " " " "
9. You can run for office--but you'll have to be a little more rational if you really want to get elected
10. You can show up at your local government meetings, but be warned they'll want you to have a point, and at that level, they're more interested in getting the library a new scanner and keeping the streets clear of snow

I hope this helps you to channel your anger. We have a government which allows for citizen participation.

292 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:14am
293 Blue Falcon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:27am

It might be a really good idea about now that if you have regular savings accounts to convert them into precious metals. I'm absolutely terrified what this is going to do for the country's credit rating and inflation.

294 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:29am

NYT lost another $20 million in the last 15 minutes.

295 Born_to_lose  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:29am

re: #230 Ford_Prefect

... I live in Maryland. Writing to my elected official(s) is totally a waste of time. Now, informing those around me, that's a totally different tune, and one I intend on whistling ;o)

296 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:32am

re: #269 realwest

It doesn't have to pass the House, it has to go to a House/Senate conference to "iron out" the differences between the bill the House passed and the bill the Senate Passed.
Let us hope that the conference committee takes out the provisions that allow the Federal Government to overrule your decisions on your health care, seconded by your Doctor and agreed to by either your Health Insurer or Medicare, at a minimum.

Aside from the obvious alarm we should feel at the prospect of the government deciding what treatment is necessary for American citizens Is anyone else talking about the blatant violation of privacy this is?

297 Ehlobuddy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:38am

re: #283 Big Steve

I apologize for making this thread about me to some people. Let it go, children. There is work to do.

298 BakaRanger  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:38am

Soros looked over the financial landscape and realized that there were no more currencies to destabilize, and he wept.

299 Athos  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:41am

re: #266 Ehlobuddy

I guess you are about to learn the hard way what happens to 'nails' that stick up in the wrong place and in wrong way.

300 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:42am

re: #266 Ehlobuddy

Who said anything about owning the room? I love people who throw the good old "I've been here longer than you" line out there in threads. I'm real impressed with your longevity. Free cookies in the lunch room.

you are insulting other posters and the host....and further you dont know my history here...find some propriety

301 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:29:45am

re: #291 EmmmieG

Here are your options:

1. You can vote
2. You can write coherent, rational letters to newspapers, magazines and your elected officials
3. You can protest--within the legal bounds you have been given
4. You can wear a t-shirt or slap on a bumper sticker
5. You can annoy people at parties
6. You can post reasonable, rational comments here
7. You can volunteer for politically-oriented civic organizations
8. You can donate " " " "
9. You can run for office--but you'll have to be a little more rational if you really want to get elected
10. You can show up at your local government meetings, but be warned they'll want you to have a point, and at that level, they're more interested in getting the library a new scanner and keeping the streets clear of snow

I hope this helps you to channel your anger. We have a government which allows for citizen participation.

YOU CAN DRINK TOO!

302 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:02am

Stock traders shout "Holy Cow"
As he kicks the bottom
Out of the DOW...
PORKZILLA!

303 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:10am

re: #294 faraway

NYT lost another $20 million in the last 15 minutes.

My heart pumps piss.

304 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:13am

re: #246 bellamags

can the DOW ever get to 1?

Theoretically, it can get to zero, which is what President Zero seems to be aiming for. The Dow's gonna be playing the limbo for quite some time to come.

305 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:16am

Now you can tell your grandkids: "I'm so old, I remember Capitalism!"

306 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:18am

re: #266 Ehlobuddy

Dude the owner of this blog is giving you warnings maybe you should acknowledge them.Unless of course you don't care about your account.

307 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:21am

re: #234 albusteve

3mo and you own the room?.....you're laughable at best

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308 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:22am

re: #291 EmmmieG

Maybe he is passing thru #3 in the 7 stages of grief.

309 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:25am

re: #293 Blue Falcon

It might be a really good idea about now that if you have regular savings accounts to convert them into precious metals. I'm absolutely terrified what this is going to do for the country's credit rating and inflation.

We will eventually have Weimar Republic inflation.

310 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:30am

re: #215 Killgore Trout

You're mistaken about the repeal of Glass-Steagle (sp). The termination of the separation of investment banking from commercial banking didn't cause the current crisis.

311 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:41am

re: #296 loppyd

Loppy... The constitution is not perfect... We musst work to form a more perfect Union...

312 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:43am

re: #287 Ward Cleaver

You know, I was going to elaborate, but I'll just leave it at that.

313 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:48am

re: #262 faraway

His family name is Salim. Not sure why they changed it.

Really? Now, isn't that interesting.

314 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:48am

re: #294 faraway

NYT lost another $20 million in the last 15 minutes.

Every cloud has a silver lining.

315 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:54am

re: #291 EmmmieG

Here are your options:

1. You can vote
2. You can write coherent, rational letters to newspapers, magazines and your elected officials
3. You can protest--within the legal bounds you have been given
4. You can wear a t-shirt or slap on a bumper sticker
5. You can annoy people at parties
6. You can post reasonable, rational comments here
7. You can volunteer for politically-oriented civic organizations
8. You can donate " " " "
9. You can run for office--but you'll have to be a little more rational if you really want to get elected
10. You can show up at your local government meetings, but be warned they'll want you to have a point, and at that level, they're more interested in getting the library a new scanner and keeping the streets clear of snow

I hope this helps you to channel your anger. We have a government which allows for citizen participation.

I prefer to put a bumper sticker on my t-shirt. :)

316 jcbunga  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:01am

re: #304 Honorary Yooper

Theoretically, it can get to zero, which is what President Zero seems to be aiming for. The Dow's gonna be playing the limbo for quite some time to come.

I think if it gets to zero, the UN takes over and digs.

317 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:08am

re: #270 doppelganglander

Yeah, I'm in a crappy mood today.


You have every right to be, sistah.

It's insanity.

318 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:25am

re: #252 Charles

Last warning.

Just a friendly suggestion to this guy,

Take:
Dude, I am tired of taking this crap sitting down. We ALL need to reach a level of FURY. We can bitch and whine about it. One day we will have to DO something. I am already primed.

Rewrite as:

I'm beginning to realize that it may be time to act. To use the principles of our republic, our right to vote, and our duty to participate. To contact our representatives, to help find and support new candidates, and to prove once again that our Republic is the finest form of government in history. I am ready to make this pledge.

319 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:27am

tick tick tick tick tick tick tick

320 Born_to_lose  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:31am

re: #245 Ehlobuddy

... By using sexist verbage? Come on dude, like someone said above, we are all preeeeetty pissed around here, but the language you are choosing to use to express your frustration is SO futile and counter-productive!

321 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:36am

re: #312 formercorpsman

You know, I was going to elaborate, but I'll just leave it at that.

Thanks for that anyway.

322 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:31:39am

re: #151 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am slightly surprised it is taking so long to drop.

It looks like the magic number(support level) appears to be between 7923 and 7936 - one a recent intraday low, the other both a intraday low and day close. If the market closes below that range, we've probably broken the support(which we've be testing for a few weeks) and likely means we'll see much lower levels. In fact, we're at 7918 now with a day low of 7903. ugh.

323 debutaunt  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:02am

re: #10 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I never thought I'd say that I trust Wall Street.

/at the moment, I do

Wall Street is in favor of the economic success of the US.

324 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:18am

NYT lost $6 million in last couple of minutes

325 cartoonboy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:29am

Today's headlines are straight out of Austin Powers:

Dr Evil: Here's the plan: we hold the American taxpayer ransom for
800...billion dollars.

326 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:33am

re: #297 Ehlobuddy

I shall stop using the reply button for you my friend because your posting days are now numbered in minutes and I don't want to get my replies sucked into your kamakazee raid here.

327 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:40am

re: #294 faraway

NYT lost another $20 million in the last 15 minutes.

Who says there's no good news?

328 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:41am

Dow's about to go below 7900.

329 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:42am

re: #269 realwest

It doesn't have to pass the House, it has to go to a House/Senate conference to "iron out" the differences between the bill the House passed and the bill the Senate Passed.
Let us hope that the conference committee takes out the provisions that allow the Federal Government to overrule your decisions on your health care, seconded by your Doctor and agreed to by either your Health Insurer or Medicare, at a minimum.

You are correct, they will reconcile the bills.
Isn't just Medicare in the Bill that lets the Feds barge in?

330 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:47am

re: #321 Ward Cleaver

Actually pretty good story over a couple of beers.

Capt. Lou Albano

331 denverinfidel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:47am

I feel like I am in an alternate universe. The political shenanigans the left has played with this is sickening. Start with a trillion, then be bi-partisan and willing to "cut" it down to only $800+ billion. Fire up the printing presses, we need more money.

What a bunch of whores, lunatics, and criminals.

332 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:48am

I'd jump out a window, but I'm on the first floor.

333 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:50am

re: #320 Born_to_lose

... By using sexist verbage? Come on dude, like someone said above, we are all preeeeetty pissed around here, but the language you are choosing to use to express your frustration is SO futile and counter-productive!

I sense a nice flameout coming. I have my camera ready.

334 Ehlobuddy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:32:54am

I will now recuse myself since some people are distracted by my hasty rhetoric. Have a daisy of a day!

335 Picayune  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:33:03am

And gold's ajumpin! Up over $16.50, overnight. Here's one matrix that The One can't spin.

Track it here:[Link: www.kitco.com...]

336 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:33:06am

re: #328 Charles

Dow's about to go below 7900.

Thank you, Senator Specter.

337 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:33:18am

re: #311 tfc3rid

Loppy... The constitution is not perfect... We musst work to form a more perfect Union...

Hell, lets scrap it and start from scratch!

338 pegcity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:33:28am

they don't call em spendocrats for nothing

339 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:33:33am
340 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:33:57am

Bye, Capitalism. It was nice having you around. See ya' in a couple decades.

Last one out, turn off the lights.

341 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:00am

re: #331 denverinfidel

I feel like I am in an alternate universe. The political shenanigans the left has played with this is sickening. Start with a trillion, then be bi-partisan and willing to "cut" it down to only $800+ billion. Fire up the printing presses, we need more money.

What a bunch of whores, lunatics, and criminals.

don't forget the interest....and Chinas problems

342 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:12am

re: #16 ThinkRight

Rush just blamed the RINO repubs

their days are numbered.
fools
who fell for O"s shite.
they are sell outs of the worst order.

343 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:13am

re: #334 Ehlobuddy

I will now recuse myself since some people are distracted by my hasty rhetoric. Have a daisy of a day!

Thanks for wisely standing down. Please keep reading, though.

344 Kragar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:30am

re: #268 pre-Boomer Marine brat

tick tick tick tick tick
/timebomb on the thread, waiting to go off

Hypnotic, isnt it?

345 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:35am

re: #310 quickjustice

You're mistaken about the repeal of Glass-Steagle (sp). The termination of the separation of investment banking from commercial banking didn't cause the current crisis.

Gov't meddling in the housing market is, in my opinion, the primary cause though there are other factors as well

346 VioletTiger  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:39am

re: #284 FurryOldGuyJeans
You've changed your avitar. Is that you?

347 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:40am

re: #334 Ehlobuddy

I will now recuse myself since some people are distracted by my hasty rhetoric. Have a daisy of a day!

Since you can't even be bothered to acknowledge my comments, I bid you adieu.

348 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:44am

re: #328 Charles

Dow's about to go below 7900.

I've got a real bad feeling about this.

349 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:46am

re: #276 Yashmak

I'm not sure that's correct. This bill spends money over several years. Can't the next Congress, for example, affect that?

350 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:51am

re: #343 Ward Cleaver

Thanks for wisely standing down. Please keep reading, though.

He just got pwnd. See his avatar.

351 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:34:53am

It's going down like Lewinsky.

352 pegcity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:00am

America get ready for crown corporations.

ill tell you as a canadian nothing pleases me more than having to pay the government for all my booze, insurance, gas, telephone etc

353 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:11am

re: #337 loppyd

Hell, lets scrap it and start from scratch!

But who would write it? Do we have any men of that stature anymore?

354 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:17am

re: #328 Charles

Dow's about to go below 7900.

It's back up a smidgen, but I doubt the avalanche will be held back for long.

355 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:24am

re: #344 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hypnotic, isnt it?

I'm starting to drool myself a little

356 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:25am

re: #344 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hypnotic, isnt it?

*yawn*
heh

357 Athos  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:26am

re: #269 realwest

The way it works is that the House leadership and some key members, all Dem, and the Senate Dem leadership plus the token participation of the 3 pinheads, will define a compromise bill. Then the compromise or 'final' version needs to be passed by the House and Senate before it goes to The One for signature.

One can suppose that the 3 pinheads will reverse their vote if the bill gets too much more crap added into it - but I ultimately doubt it. As Specter said on Fox News this morning, he gave his word to Reid that he supports it so he will vote for the steaming pile as doing the wrong thing is apparently better than doing nothing.

358 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:31am

re: #296 loppyd No, I don't think so {loppyd} - I think most of us - well most of us who are concerned with the health care issues in this "Stimulus Bill" are more concerned with being able to get treatment if, by some magic calculus, someone in the Federal Government over rules you, your doctor and your private insurance/Medicare prescription for your treatment for a serious illness, based upon, apparently, the cost of such treatment versus the benefit to our society of keeping you alive.

359 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:33am

re: #342 nyc redneck

their days are numbered.
fools
who fell for O"s shite.
they are sell outs of the worst order.

My mom's family is in Maine. They are beyond furious at their senators. My auntie is writing a letter to the editor of the second largest paper there. If it gets printed I will share.

360 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:38am

re: #347 Charles

Since you can't even bothered to acknowledge my comments, I bid you adieu.

Too bad he got himself whacked for being a jackass...

361 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:35:55am

re: #351 Peacekeeper

It's going down like Lewinsky.

At least somebody got some pleasure out of that.

362 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:01am

re: #255 Ford_Prefect

I understand that. We all are dealing with this economic situation as it has hit us. My point is simply that this country is not dead, as some have stated, and won't be as long as we keep fighting.

I admire you're spirit. I have no intention of giving up, but I recognize that the Democrats have acquired enough power to permanently institutionalize their agenda. The last straw for me is the census, which will undoubtedly be completely fraudulent if Rahm Emmanuel gets his paws on it. We have one shot at this, in 2010, before the reapportionment and redistricting occurs. Once they've gerrymandered Republicans out of existence, how do we get back in power? Just like the jihadists, they are using our own institutions against us.

363 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:12am

re: #309 Leonidas Hoplite

We will eventually have Weimar Republic inflation.

Wheelbarrows full of cash to buy a loaf of bread. You know what got them - Hitler's ascendancy to power.

364 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:18am

re: #347 Charles

Since you can't even bothered to acknowledge my comments, I bid you adieu.

Good grief! He got frenched...

365 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:38am
366 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:50am

re: #364 Peacekeeper

Good grief! He got frenched freedomed...

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:51am

tick tick tick

*silence*

368 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:54am

re: #352 pegcity

America get ready for crown corporations.

ill tell you as a canadian nothing pleases me more than having to pay the government for all my booze, insurance, gas, telephone etc

Not to mention the mice you all find in your beer up there...

369 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:36:56am

re: #359 loppyd

My mom's family is in Maine. They are beyond furious at their senators. My auntie is writing a letter to the editor of the second largest paper there. If it gets printed I will share.

Share it anyway!

370 Born_to_lose  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:03am

re: #333 Bloodnok

Nah, I think homeboy got the point. Hey look, I have been in that same boat (especially since Nov. 4th) where I have said some pretty rediculous shit in haste (nothing seixist, plus I am girl, so that'd just be rediculous, anyway), no thanks to the frustration being cause by the new Administration. Damn this new administration btw! argh....

371 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:19am

re: #351 Peacekeeper

I'm sure that her results will go down in history (heh) as having been more impressive.

And that's really saying something.

372 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:25am

re: #363 Ward Cleaver

Wheelbarrows full of cash to buy a loaf of bread. You know what got them - Hitler's ascendancy to power.

See, this time around, you won't have the wheelbarrows. Think EFT and credits - inflation is a lot easier to deal with (for the gov't) when you don't have to run the printing presses for currency.

373 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:26am

re: #365 buzzsawmonkey

This is an economic Katrina. Throwing a huge bunch of tax money away in an effort to stanch the flood, and the levies are failing.

More like the economic Great Flood.

374 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:27am

re: #350 Fat Jolly Penguin

He just got pwnd. See his avatar.

Ouch. An account is a terrible thing to waste.

375 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:29am

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

tick tick tick

*silence*

Great, our watchdog is full of ticks.

376 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:37am

re: #329 opnion Not the way I've read it, nor, regrettably, the way my oncologist reads it. Doesn't matter to me, though, as I'm dependent on Medicare (as is my mom) anyway.

377 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:37:55am

re: #359 loppyd

My mom's family is in Maine. They are beyond furious at their senators. My auntie is writing a letter to the editor of the second largest paper there. If it gets printed I will share.

At least they have a chance. My two Senators, affectionately nicknamed Senator Tombstone (Roland Burris) and Senator Dick (Durbin) would follow Obama anywhere.

2010, just keep the eyes focused on 2010.

378 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:01am

re: #372 Guanxi88

See, this time around, you won't have the wheelbarrows. Think EFT and credits - inflation is a lot easier to deal with (for the gov't) when you don't have to run the printing presses for currency.

Wheelbarrows full of debit cards!

379 Rexatosis  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:22am

This bill is a mess, more "frivolous" spending (as Adam Smith would say) than acutal stimulous. One of the problems is that Congress as a whole represents a very narrow part of the general economy, lawyers. Since Congress is composed of almost all lawyers (and most are not very good lawyers), Congress has little understanding of how the economy actually works. It is painful to listen to Pelosi, Reid, etc., talk about the economy. Pres. Obama is worse since he sounds like he knows what he is saying but if you read what he says it is obvious he is also clueless about the general principles of both macro- and micro-economics.

380 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:24am
381 Blue Falcon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:30am

re: #322 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

7,941 right now, but I think you're about right where it'll end today. That's assuming something big doesn't happen in the news or with a major industry.

382 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:35am

Ya know in my minds eye I can see Obama at the Berlin Rally, in front of the Greek columns in Denver, and addressing the swooning crowd in Grant Park. What were these people thinking?

383 calcajun  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:35am

Thanks to our Congress and Fearless Leader for consigning my children and their children to penury, if not outright indentured servitude.

If this thing falls on its face, I wonder how the Dems and the MSM (Ministry of Socialist Manipulation) will spin it to make it all the GOP's fault.

384 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:36am

Meanwhile, in Germany, "bishop" Williamson's SSPX brothers published new anti-Semitic statements after the scandal had already erupted.

Das sind die Unbelehrbaren.

385 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:41am
386 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:38:50am

re: #378 Ward Cleaver

Wheelbarrows full of debit cards!

That's such a funny image - some cartoonist needs to steal it.

387 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:04am

re: #377 Honorary Yooper

At least they have a chance. My two Senators, affectionately nicknamed Senator Tombstone (Roland Burris) and Senator Dick (Durbin) would follow Obama anywhere.

2010, just keep the eyes focused on 2010.

In the meantime, my company sinks even further, and I get laid off. Thanks alot, Obama.

/and the fucking rinos

388 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:16am

re: #376 realwest
ADDENDUM: Medicare now covers, iirc, something like 45 million senior citizens, disable people. So it's not "just" medicare.

389 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:33am

Universal Healthcare in the "Stimulus" bill!

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

390 thefallingman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:39am

re: #382 opnion
Thinking? They were worshipping.

391 J.D.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:42am
... More frightening to me than any policy or politician is the ease with which the public is played for fools with words. The latest example is the "Employee Freedom of Choice Act," a bill that will do away with secret ballot elections among workers voting on whether to be represented by a union. It is an open invitation to intimidation-- which is to say, loss of freedom of choice.

Our economic problems worry me much less than our political solutions, which have a far worse track record.

One of the wonders of our times is how much more attention is paid to the living conditions of a bunch of cut-throats locked up in Guantanamo than to the leading international sponsor of terrorism getting nuclear weapons.

The great sense of urgency of the Obama administration to get legislation to authorize slow-moving spending projects may seem inconsistent. But the urgency is real, even if the reasons given are not. The worse case scenario for the administration would be to have the economy begin to recover on its own before this massive spending bill is passed, reducing their chances of creating the kind of politically directed economy they want.


February 10, 2009
Random Thoughts
By Thomas Sowell

392 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:43am

re: #378 Ward Cleaver

Wheelbarrows full of debit cards!

I'm immediately investing in wheelbarrows....heh

393 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:45am

re: #383 calcajun

Thanks to our Congress and Fearless Leader for consigning my children and their children to penury, if not outright indentured servitude.

If this thing falls on its face, I wonder how the Dems and the MSM (Ministry of Socialist Manipulation) will spin it to make it all the GOP's fault.

And Obama will be re-elected in a landslide. God help us.

394 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:39:50am

re: #358 realwest

No, I don't think so {loppyd} - I think most of us - well most of us who are concerned with the health care issues in this "Stimulus Bill" are more concerned with being able to get treatment if, by some magic calculus, someone in the Federal Government over rules you, your doctor and your private insurance/Medicare prescription for your treatment for a serious illness, based upon, apparently, the cost of such treatment versus the benefit to our society of keeping you alive.

I agree with everything you are saying....believe me. My step-father would probably have been told to go home and die quietly under such a plan.

But I think it's just as important - although not life and death - for people to understand that their most private medical information will be stored on a government database. And you all remember how easy it was for Joe the Plumber's info to be accessed - imagine if your medical records were to be splashed all over the internet by your enemies? Or if they were used by prospective companies when hiring? Downright chilling.

395 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:00am

re: #331 denverinfidel

I feel like I am in an alternate universe. The political shenanigans the left has played with this is sickening. Start with a trillion, then be bi-partisan and willing to "cut" it down to only $800+ billion. Fire up the printing presses, we need more money.

What a bunch of whores, lunatics, and criminals.

The real stinky thing about this current porkulus bill is what it adds onto an already bloated over-commitment Congress has mortgaged our future on.

U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1)

All I can say is "Holy Fucking Shit!"

396 jester6  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:07am

re: #249 Wyatt Earp

They need to keep this knucklehead away from the damned television! He's a Dow killer

Agreed. The Dow drop is not so much about Stimulus Bill as his performance last night. Bush is gone and the symptoms of BSD are receding. Without the hatred of GWB to fill their bellies they are beginning to realize the emperor has no clothes.

397 VioletTiger  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:09am

re: #382 opnion

Ya know in my minds eye I can see Obama at the Berlin Rally, in front of the Greek columns in Denver, and addressing the swooning crowd in Grant Park. What were these people thinking?

They weren't actually. Hence the problem.

398 gearhead  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:13am

I am really trying to give the new administration a chance, but I have yet to be impressed (and in this country, we handle disappointment by means other than violence, BTW). We need a Lincoln or a Churchill right now, not a leader with a "Hey, I won" attitude. As for the GOP, we need a Newt, or better - someone capable of creating an opposition bully pulpit without looking like just another obstructionist.

I'd like to crawl inside Volcker's brain and see what he's thinking right now.

399 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:24am

re: #310 quickjustice

There were many factors. Glass Steagall was one of the main causes....
Shattering the Glass-Steagall Act

I know Republicans are reflexively against regulation but Glass Steagall did it's job from after the Great Depression until it was repealed.

400 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:25am

re: #365 buzzsawmonkey

This is an economic Katrina. Throwing a huge bunch of tax money away in an effort to stanch the flood, and the levies are failing.

Oh DAM!
Obama'sluice!

401 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:32am
402 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:33am

re: #388 realwest

ADDENDUM: Medicare now covers, iirc, something like 45 million senior citizens, disable people. So it's not "just" medicare.

They've also recently floated an idea about adding people 55 and older to it. Can you say bankruptcy?

403 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:40am

wouldn't it be funny after all this sound and fury if Obama actually vetoed the bill.....a boy can only dream!

404 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:41am

re: #373 faraway

More like the economic Great Flood.

If the US economy falls, so too will the rest of the worlds' economies. They're all very interdependent on each other, and the US economy props up other economies that aren't doing so hot. IIRC, the phrase is, "When the US sneezes, Europe catches cold". It works for the rest of the worl as well.

405 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:44am

re: #317 loppyd

You have every right to be, sistah.

It's insanity.

Thanks. It's days like this I wish I were stupid and uninformed. Maybe it's better not to recognize that oncoming train.

406 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:40:58am

re: #392 albusteve

I'm immediately investing in wheelbarrows....heh

Sadly, most of them are made in China now.

407 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #382 opnion

Ya know in my minds eye I can see Obama at the Berlin Rally, in front of the Greek columns in Denver, and addressing the swooning crowd in Grant Park. What were these people thinking?

Nothing, nothing at all.
They were feeeeling!
Feeling is all that matters to them.

I hope they feel really good right now.
NOT!

408 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:13am

re: #347 Charles

Since you can't even be bothered to acknowledge my comments, I bid you adieu.

thank you.

409 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:25am

re: #362 doppelganglander

This country has been around for more than 230 years. It has seen good times and bad. It has seen movements designed to destroy it both from without and from within. Yet here we are. Still standing. Still the greatest, strongest and freest country in the world. Nothing that this current administration does will be permanent. It can all be overturned. It will take time and perseverance, but it can be done. Don't lose hope.

410 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:30am

re: #363 Ward Cleaver

Wheelbarrows full of cash to buy a loaf of bread.

Just imagine. You wheel it to the store, go inside to get your bread, come back outside and find the money in a pile and the wheelbarrow stolen.

411 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:36am

Obama's back on CNN.

Tiiimmmbbbeeerrr!

412 J.S.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:48am

but this is just the beginning...there's "Geithner’s warning about the cost" of his new bank deals (this is an attempt to minimize the toxic debts held by some banks) and which could cost another 2 trillion dollars and which Barack Obama (during the press conference last night) says "that the administration is open to seeking more money." sooo, there could be another couple of trillion dollars needed...

413 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:41:50am

re: #403 Big Steve

wouldn't it be funny after all this sound and fury if Obama actually vetoed the bill.....a boy can only dream!

"And ya'll thought I was serious!"

/blows smoke rings with his kool

414 thefallingman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:14am

re: #407 yma o hyd

Nothing, nothing at all.
They were feeeeling!
Feeling is all that matters to them.

I hope they feel really good right now.
NOT!


But they probably do. The loaves and fishes promised by the Messiah are about to be served.

415 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:20am

many glitches in the matrix.

416 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:25am
417 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:29am

re: #389 republic

Universal Healthcare in the "Stimulus" bill!

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Arlen Spector told FOX News this morning, that he didn't know this healthcare provision was in the "Stimulus" bill.

They vote and don't even know what's in the bill.

I wonder what else is in this phony bill, that Americans don't know about, including the very Congress who voted on it.

418 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:42am

re: #411 Wyatt Earp

Obama's back on CNN.

Tiiimmmbbbeeerrr!

I see it at 7937 as of this minute, and falling. Sweet!

419 Amer-I-Can  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:51am

I can hear the train whistle coming... and we are standing on the tracks.

After the wreck, let's start throwing out the RINOs immediately.

OTO, OTO, OTO

420 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:54am

re: #387 Ward Cleaver

In the meantime, my company sinks even further, and I get laid off. Thanks alot, Obama.

/and the fucking rinos

You too? My sympathies.

421 Born_to_lose  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:42:59am

SO, now, I can't even friggin' work. I am known in my office as the only conservative here, and by gawd, they've surely been parading around for the last 30 minutes shouting for joy over this effing NON-stimulating passage. I want to punch each one of them in the face, kind of.

422 ladycatnip  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:06am

Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?

Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.

423 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:11am

re: #414 thefallingman

But they probably do. The loaves and fishes promised by the Messiah are about to be served.

Only it's gonna be rancid sardines and stale crackers Dear Leader's gonna be dishing out....

424 pre-Boomer's SockPuppy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:19am

re: #375 gmsc

Great, our watchdog is full of ticks.

*scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch*

/heh ... I usually only break SockPuppy out for Goddess

425 Kragar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:27am

re: #411 Wyatt Earp

Obama's back on CNN.

Tiiimmmbbbeeerrr!

Some one grab the vaudville stage hook

426 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:28am

re: #419 Amer-I-Can

I can hear the train whistle coming... and we are standing on the tracks.

After the wreck, let's start throwing out the RINOs immediately.

OTO, OTO, OTO

Michael Steele should be kicking ass and taking names.

427 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:29am

I am literally having a panic attack over this.

428 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:38am

re: #413 Ward Cleaver

"And ya'll thought I was serious!"

/blows smoke rings with his kool

Does he smoke that brand? Please, tell me he doesn't! It'd be a national disgrace is that was his brand.

429 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:38am

re: #416 gmsc

McCain didn't show up. Heh.

430 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:42am

re: #284 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am getting seriously annoyed with all the Global Warming falling here right now.

I. Hate. Snow. :%P%

Yesterday the Seattle schools were running 2 hours late - all because of an inch or so of snow. I heard this from our choir director last night. What a bunch of wimps.

431 calcajun  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:52am

re: #345 Leonidas Hoplite

Gov't meddling in the housing market is, in my opinion, the primary cause though there are other factors as well

The meltdown is a machine with many, many moving parts. Only the most disingenuous would ascribe blame to one party or the other. It was, in part, due to the government wanting to gas the economy--stimulate growth-- that lenders were allowed (since the S&L's used to do it) make lots of loans to people who otherwise would not be able to get them. That was the starting point. There were numerous other factors which led to the current situation, including a serious problem with the mindset of corporate America which does not look past the next two fiscal quarters. In short, this was not unlike what happened in 1929 with the burst of another credit bubble.

432 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:43:58am

re: #394 loppyd

But I think it's just as important - although not life and death - for people to understand that their most private medical information will be stored on a government database.


And that sume dumbass government employee will be entering the data. How screwed up can that get?

433 faraway  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:01am

Timmy Taxcheat wants $2 trillion from you.

434 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:07am

re: #358 realwest

No, I don't think so {loppyd} - I think most of us - well most of us who are concerned with the health care issues in this "Stimulus Bill" are more concerned with being able to get treatment if, by some magic calculus, someone in the Federal Government over rules you, your doctor and your private insurance/Medicare prescription for your treatment for a serious illness, based upon, apparently, the cost of such treatment versus the benefit to our society of keeping you alive.


Here is the problem as I see it, The Feds will use clerks at about the level of Postal & TSA employees to monitor healthcare. They will do it with guidelines based on age, sex, diagnosis. It is highly unlikely that past medical history will be a factor. That would be a pescription for disaster & people will die.

435 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:16am

re: #377 Honorary Yooper

At least they have a chance. My two Senators, affectionately nicknamed Senator Tombstone (Roland Burris) and Senator Dick (Durbin) would follow Obama anywhere.

2010, just keep the eyes focused on 2010.

I feel your pain.

John F-ing Kerry and Teddy The Swimmer Kennedy here.

Did they drag Teddy off his death bed to vote? And what does that say about Barry? He had do have a dying man come in to pass his brilliant plan?

436 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:19am

re: #425 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Some one grab the vaudville stage hook

Somebody call Chuck Barris!

437 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:21am

re: #417 republic

Arlen Spector told FOX News this morning, that he didn't know this healthcare provision was in the "Stimulus" bill.

They vote and don't even know what's in the bill.

I wonder what else is in this phony bill, that Americans don't know about, including the very Congress who voted on it.

This is not uncommon.

438 thefallingman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:22am

re: #423 talon_262
They'll eat it. With joy.

439 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:25am

re: #428 Guanxi88

From what I've heard, Dear Leader loves his Kools...

440 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:37am

Where's tfk been lately?

441 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:46am

re: #416 gmsc

Here's how each Senator voted on the spendulus.

your link is to a foreign service act vote....

442 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:44:49am

re: #422 ladycatnip

Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?

Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.

$500 Billion withdrawn from American Money Market Funds.

I thought of Soros, before Rush said it.

443 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:02am

re: #439 talon_262

From what I've heard, Dear Leader loves his Kools...

Man, those are hardcore.

444 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:04am

re: #439 talon_262

From what I've heard, Dear Leader loves his Kools...

I'm sure it will be mandatory for us all to smoke only that one brand soon.

445 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:17am

re: #422 ladycatnip

Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?

Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.

That's all I need. Proof that my favorite conspiracy theory has substance.

446 Picayune  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:30am

re: #183 Logic

Ah, Betty Davis Eyes, thanks for the memory. That's the only positive thought I've had all morning - on this day when O/Dems saved the world! Uh, btw, are ocean levels falling yet, as well?
/

447 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:31am

re: #409 Ford_Prefect

This country has been around for more than 230 years. It has seen good times and bad. It has seen movements designed to destroy it both from without and from within. Yet here we are. Still standing. Still the greatest, strongest and freest country in the world. Nothing that this current administration does will be permanent. It can all be overturned. It will take time and perseverance, but it can be done. Don't lose hope.

I know you're right. My plan is to rant and be utterly furious and depressed today, and I'll be pretty much over it by tomorrow. It worked on November 4th and January 20th.

448 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:40am

re: #346 VioletTiger

You've changed your avitar. Is that you?

No, just some pr0n I found on the web. ;)

Seriously, it is me. Air sickness bags available upon request.

449 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:45:57am

re: #416 gmsc

Here's how each Senator voted on the spendulus.

Thanks for the link!

BTW, thank heavens my two senators (Cornyn and Hutchison) voted Nay.

450 thefallingman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:02am

re: #442 republic

$500 Billion withdrawn from American Money Market Funds.

I thought of Soros, before Rush said it.


Just like Ukraine. (At least I think it was Ukraine)

451 Viking6  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:07am

The One and his cronies don't care how much the Dow falls. IMHO they want it to fall. The less wealth the more reliant the people are on the government. All those of us that have worked for 30 plus years and invested in 401ks ect are now going to reap the socialistic rewards of the hard work. Some will be ok but a majority of those that were counting on the investments will certainly be in a precarious position. While I am not a conspiracy nut it certainly seems that the perfect clown car has just hit DC and the Bozos are in charge of moving independence to government dole.

/rant off

452 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:10am

re: #427 Leonidas Hoplite

Dude, relax. The bill is not the end of the world. It might work, it might not. In all likelihood whatever disaster may strike next is something that we aren't even talking about. Try not to get too sucked into partisan hysteria. It's all bullshit.

453 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:17am

re: #427 Leonidas Hoplite

I am literally having a panic attack over this.

Calm down. This to shall pass. We made it through the great depression and we'll make it through this. The economy is going to get bad, really bad but a leader will emerge. If anything, this will drive the country toward conservative principles. The republicans or some as yet to be named third party needs to capitalize and win this country back.

454 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:23am

re: #439 talon_262

From what I've heard, Dear Leader loves his Kools...

That is disgraceful. Unforgivable! On top of everything else, the guy smokes the tobacco equivalent of St. Ives? Howsabout a little class, Barry? You wanna smoke? Fine! But smoke something decent; show a little class, man!

455 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:23am

re: #432 redstateredneck

And that sume dumbass government employee will be entering the data. How screwed up can that get?

I can see the calls now.

"You have asthma? It says here you have allergies. Sorry that's what it says. You'll need to call this number and fill out this form and then go see your doctor and have him sign off on it......."

456 JacksonTn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:31am

Hey ...did the election just start? I mean ...I just turned the television on and I swear ...Obama is giving a campaign townhall speech ...


/HE IS A JERK ...

457 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:32am

re: #429 Killgore Trout

McCain didn't show up. Heh.

Wrong link. It's right here. McCain voted no.

458 brookly red  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:37am

re: #442 republic

$500 Billion withdrawn from American Money Market Funds.

I thought of Soros, before Rush said it.

kinda obvious, no?

459 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:42am

re: #409 Ford_Prefect

Thanks FP, that helps. I'm waiting for the smoke to clear a bit, but you must admit the market drop today is not a good sign.

460 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:50am

re: #315 Wyatt Earp

I prefer to put a bumper sticker on my t-shirt. :)

Or put a t-shirt on the bumper of your car. :P

461 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:53am

re: #447 doppelganglander

My plan is to rant and be utterly furious and depressed today, and I'll be pretty much over it by tomorrow.

sounds like Mrs Big Steve's approach toward me.

462 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:46:56am

re: #296 loppyd

Once the government is paying for your health care, your "privacy" rights in your health care information cease to exist as against the government paymasters except the fig leaf given you by the HIPAA regulations.

463 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:05am
464 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:08am

re: #441 Big Steve

your link is to a foreign service act vote....

Ooops. Here's the correct record.

465 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:34am

re: #441 Big Steve

your link is to a foreign service act vote....

Click on the Votes link at the left side of the screen, and you'll see HR1 come up. Click on that and it opens the screen for this vote.

466 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:37am

re: #449 subsailor68

Thanks for the link!

BTW, thank heavens my two senators (Cornyn and Hutchison) voted Nay.

See my correction at

467 seekeroftruth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:43am

re: #422 ladycatnip

Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?

Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.

Rush played the audio first thing today.

468 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:49am

re: #456 JacksonTn

Hey ...did the election just start? I mean ...I just turned the television on and I swear ...Obama is giving a campaign townhall speech ...

/HE IS A JERK ...

The guy just can't shut up. He loves himself too much.

469 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:59am

re: #422 ladycatnip

Limbaugh talked about this today.

470 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:59am

re: #405 doppelganglander

Thanks. It's days like this I wish I were stupid and uninformed. Maybe it's better not to recognize that oncoming train.

We're all in this together. We as in the people with a clue. Not the "we" Barry refers to when lecturing us.

471 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:04am

re: #457 Colonel Panik

Ah, thanks.

472 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:15am

re: #449 subsailor68

Thanks for the link!

BTW, thank heavens my two senators (Cornyn and Hutchison) voted Nay.

? That's not the bill.

473 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:16am

re: #357 Athos
It's "unfortunate" (trying hard not to piss off Charles) that that statement is true.
While this Stimulus Bill will ultimately kill our economy, some of us are facing much closer and more dramatic losses because of the "stealth" health care provisions than others.
Some of us just won't get a "second chance" to undo the mess that this DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS has led us into. And some of the Senators, including the idiot junior senator from, I think, Wyoming or Montana said, LIVE on Fox News, that he hadn't even read the bill and knew nothing at all about the stealth health care provision.
I don't and would never condon the banned one's tone or language, but I do understand where it's fear and anger comes from.

474 nikis-knight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:20am

So, I guess the smart thing to do would be to take out huge loans in soon to be worth-much-less dollars and buy gold and oil?
I mean, seriously, can you "borrow" a trillion dollars and expect no problems?
Damnit.
Screw them. I don't buy in. I'm going to live responsibly and raise my kids to do likewise if we're the last people not stuck remora like to the all saving government teat.

475 ladycatnip  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:28am

#442 republic

$500 Billion withdrawn from American Money Market Funds.

I thought of Soros, before Rush said it.

Does Soros or any one person on the planet have that kind of power?

476 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:47am

re: #472 redstateredneck

? That's not the bill.

Here's the correct link.

477 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:50am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

re: #453 Jetpilot1101


{getting back in formation}

478 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:52am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Dude, relax. The bill is not the end of the world. It might work, it might not. In all likelihood whatever disaster may strike next is something that we aren't even talking about. Try not to get too sucked into partisan hysteria. It's all bullshit.

if there are sweeping changes in the house and senate in 2010, the GOP can pull the plug on some of this spending I'm hoping

479 Lincolntf  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:54am

OT.

One of the resident experts at Israellycool had this to say about what he expects when the polls close and exit polls are released...

BarryRubin: "It is very accurate but remember that 1-3 seats could be the difference. So it will be at minimum say 90 percent accurate but the little changes mean important things regarding coalition and perhaps even who wins. "

Sounds like it might come down to the wire, but the prevailing opinion is that Netanyahu will become PM.

480 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:57am

re: #399 Killgore Trout

There were many factors. Glass Steagall was one of the main causes....
Shattering the Glass-Steagall Act

I know Republicans are reflexively against regulation but Glass Steagall did it's job from after the Great Depression until it was repealed.

Actually, repealing the Glass-Steagall Act allowed commercial banks to bail out failing investment banks last year, which did a great deal to stem the losses. Much more than the TARP spending, which I can guarantee you will do more harm than good.

481 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:48:59am

re: #464 gmsc

Ooops. Here's the correct record.

Thanks and I might add that while we may have dipwads on our State board of education, at least our Texas Senators know their way to the "Nay" button.

482 VioletTiger  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:09am

re: #422 ladycatnip

Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?

Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.


Always wondered about that. Too convenient; the market is easily manipulated and then panic takes over.

483 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:14am

re: #462 quickjustice

Once the government is paying for your health care, your "privacy" rights in your health care information cease to exist as against the government paymasters except the fig leaf given you by the HIPAA regulations.

Under the current stimulus healthcare plan in the bogus stimulus bill, every Americans medical privacy is out the window.

484 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:20am

re: #447 doppelganglander

I know you're right. My plan is to rant and be utterly furious and depressed today, and I'll be pretty much over it by tomorrow. It worked on November 4th and January 20th.

Ha! I guess I'm OK with that.

485 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:27am

re: #466 gmsc

See my correction at

No problem. I just clicked on the Votes link and the bill came up - was able to click on that to see the results.

486 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:42am

re: #328 Charles

Dow's about to go below 7900.

"Stimulus package, that's the name
And away go our investments down the drain."

/for those who are old enough to remember that ad

487 calcajun  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:44am

re: #399 Killgore Trout

There were many factors. Glass Steagall was one of the main causes....
Shattering the Glass-Steagall Act

I know Republicans are reflexively against regulation but Glass Steagall did it's job from after the Great Depression until it was repealed.

Keep in mind the context in which the Act was repealed. Traditionally, S&L's wrote the majority of home mortgages--not commercial banks--until the S&L crash in the 1980's. As with any capitalist situation, there was a demand for money and not enough lenders in boom of the late 1990's. In order to sustain the boom, there was bi-partisan appeal for repealing Glass-Steagall so as to allow banks to step in to the shoes of S&L's. Robert Reich is on records as saying that there was so much money available then that they had to find a way to get it out the door. It's just that no one remembered why S&L's failed.

488 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:49:53am

President Obama does himself a great disservice in these "Town Hall Meetings" as he behaves exactly the same as the new teenager in school who wants everyone to like him.
Pitiful.

489 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:00am

re: #376 realwest

Not the way I've read it, nor, regrettably, the way my oncologist reads it. Doesn't matter to me, though, as I'm dependent on Medicare (as is my mom) anyway.

My using 'just" , it was not to minimize it, but was used as "Only" meaning first. The theory would be that the feds pay & can set the rules.
They will want to get into the privately insured population as well.
Right now with Medicare & Medicaid the government controls one fourteenth of the economy. With a take over of the insured poulation they will control one seventh.

490 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:22am

re: #463 taxfreekiller

tfk has been in D.C. some
we are doing a look see
to see how many blue dog
Democrats would jump ship

developing

You are right TFK, the Blue Dogs in the House are Obama's weakest link on everything from the economy to foreign policy and defense to gun control. Their constituents need to do some good 'ol fashioned arm twistin'.

491 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:23am

re: #479 Lincolntf

OT.

One of the resident experts at Israellycool had this to say about what he expects when the polls close and exit polls are released...

BarryRubin: "It is very accurate but remember that 1-3 seats could be the difference. So it will be at minimum say 90 percent accurate but the little changes mean important things regarding coalition and perhaps even who wins. "

Sounds like it might come down to the wire, but the prevailing opinion is that Netanyahu will become PM.

That would be a bright spot in an otherwise overall gloomy picture.

492 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:29am

re: #481 Big Steve

Thanks and I might add that while we may have dipwads on our State board of education, at least our Texas Senators know their way to the "Nay" button.

Yahoo fellow Texan. I second your emotion.

;-)

493 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:29am

re: #452 Killgore Trout
Killgore: "Try not to get too sucked into partisan hysteria. It's all bullshit."
How is it partisan bullshit when, as a matter of record, ALL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S SENATORS VOTED FOR THIS BILL?

494 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:42am

re: #432 redstateredneck

It just kills me that the same dumb asses that scream bloody murder about warrantless wiretapping will gleefully let the government compile their complete medical records.

495 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:49am

re: #448 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, just some pr0n I found on the web. ;)

Seriously, it is me. Air sickness bags available upon request.

[Piglet frowns at Furry.]

I thought I ordered you to stop that. I feel like Patti Novak, except I'm not getting paid.

Oh well. Do your thing. Piglet out.

496 ladycatnip  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:49am

#469 quickjustice

re: #422 ladycatnip

Limbaugh talked about this today.

I'd better start listening to him then. I got this info from a blog.

497 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:50:58am

re: #440 Ward Cleaver

He posted upthread 229 or thereabouts

498 mingjaiyo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:03am

#263 quickjustice/#296 buzzsawmonkey I am aware that things are not at all close to what it was like during "the Great Depression". What disturbs me with "the stimulus" is that this outlay of borrowed money equals all the money evr borrowed and/or spent by the U.S.Gov't from it's inception through 1976 -almost 200 years of history. As others have stated here -what happens when China decides to no longer float our boat? This stimulus bill has nothing to do with economics (most especially jobs) and everything with politics. I had thought after seeing O win the elction that he would attempt to move the uS towards a socialist form of gov't incrementally. I was wrong. With the inevitable passing of this bill, we have now locked ourselves into the socialist model which began under Bush with the nationalizing of the banks. By the simple action of signing this bill into law,O will forever alter the role of government in this country. It may be easy on occasion to enact law at the Federal level in this country...it is nigh impossible to reverse law at the Federal level. In fact it usually takes action by The Supreme Court to overturn existing law. What has me feeling the way I am is speculating on "the law of unintended consequences" that will follow in the wake of this monstrosity. This bill will have quite possibly very severe ramifications for decades to come. Do I believe that we will survive in some form...of course I do. Like many others here I will not go down without a fight,be that fight contacting my representatives through engaging in my gauranteed right under the Constitution ( see the reasons as to why the Founders placed the 2nd Amendment in the document) to overthrow my present gov't in order to reinstall a gov't modeled on the Founders principles.

499 jtisdel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:04am

re: #141 Ford_Prefect

OK, people. I know this is bad, but let's step back from the ledges. This is still the United States of America. We still have the right to vote these people out and fix this thing, at least in the long term. I know that we will be paying for this for a long time, but there will be an end to it. As I see it, the Dem's just signed their own eviction papers. There is no way that this will turn out well for them. 2 years from now the turn over will begin, and in 4 years I believe it will be complete.

Yes, that's what we have to do. The issue is how to weather 2 years of Carter II (or Hoover II or FDR II - pick your poison). We need to keep hammering the Left on this and, when things turn around, don't allow the Left to take credit for it - like they've done regarding the Great Depression. Make this economic down turn the albatross around their necks.

500 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:14am

re: #479 Lincolntf

OT.

One of the resident experts at Israellycool had this to say about what he expects when the polls close and exit polls are released...

BarryRubin: "It is very accurate but remember that 1-3 seats could be the difference. So it will be at minimum say 90 percent accurate but the little changes mean important things regarding coalition and perhaps even who wins. "

Sounds like it might come down to the wire, but the prevailing opinion is that Netanyahu will become PM.

I would consider the day a success if that happens. I really would.

501 Amer-I-Can  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:17am

re: #486 Cygnus

"Stimulus package, that's the name
And away go our investments down the drain."

/for those who are old enough to remember that ad

"Roto Rooter".... how applicable.... LOL

OTO, OTO, OTO

502 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:17am

So, things we learned from the last few depressions/panics: (Things that are useful to know once the panic is already upon us.)

1. If we all save and put our money in a coffee can (I'll have to use a hot chocolate can) in the backyard, this will last a lot longer. Save and put your money in the bank, or spend it on reasonable needs.

2. Protectionism is a dud. Smoot-Hawley Tariff. Look it up.

3. The government is not your savior, whatever Steinbeck may have written.

Anybody else have any thoughts?

503 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:23am

In the LGF Irony department... in today's WSJ "Obama Warns of 'Lost Decade' "...

My belief is that the USA and perhaps the world have a "Lost Decade" to look forward to.

Charles, what is the difference between a blocked account and a banned one?

504 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:23am

re: #475 ladycatnip

#442 republic


Does Soros or any one person on the planet have that kind of power?

Soros knows how to pick at the weak points and has the [lack of] business ethics to do it.

505 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:34am

re: #475 ladycatnip

#442 republic


Does Soros or any one person on the planet have that kind of power?

All it would take is a few cohorts.

506 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:51:51am

re: #459 turn

Thanks FP, that helps. I'm waiting for the smoke to clear a bit, but you must admit the market drop today is not a good sign.

Of course not. I never said things were great. Just that they do not spell the end of this country. If you want a positive spin on it, though, like I said earlier, I think the Dem's have signed their own eviction papers with this. There is no way this can come out good for them.

507 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:52:07am

re: #456 JacksonTn

Hey ...did the election just start? I mean ...I just turned the television on and I swear ...Obama is giving a campaign townhall speech ...

/HE IS A JERK ...

All Dear Leader knows how to do is to campaign, because he's never had to actually work once he's won his seats, just using them to campaign for a higher seat...now that he's President, people are demanding results, so he's still trying to dazzle America with bullshit and hope it sticks.

508 Adrenalyn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:52:42am

hey, is this the next big terror attack ?

the one that finally wipes us out

how fucking clever of them

well, they finally did it

and no one from the CIA, FBI, etc, did anything to stop them

509 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:52:52am

re: #475 ladycatnip

The people instigating the "run" on the U.S. money markets also might have been foreign governments acting in concert. The Chinese, the Venezuelans, the Iranians, the North Koreans, or the Arabs could have done it.

510 seekeroftruth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:52:53am

re: #463 taxfreekiller

tfk has been in D.C. some
we are doing a look see
to see how many blue dog
Democrats would jump ship

developing

Senator Colburn was asking people to target the fiscally conservative democrats with phone calls on Bill Bennet's radio show this morning. It could be possible to get the socialized medicine out of the bill during conference.

511 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:52:53am

re: #476 gmsc

Here's the correct link.

Thanks.

512 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:21am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

re: #453 Jetpilot1101

Thanks guys, I needed that too.

513 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:22am

As far as stocks go:

1) You should be buying and holding for the long term, anyway.

2) Now is a good time to put money in, with prices so low and all. It's akin to planting a tree as an expression of faith in the future.

3) If you invested in the market the day before the 1929 crash, and held on to it for the next 20 years, you would've had a market return that's among the great in the history of returns of stocks held over 20 years.

514 jester6  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:38am

re: #391 J.D.

I am a management consultant who spends most of my time working as a interim executives for small companies trying to grow. All my clients are profitable, want to grow, know they need some help to build the management structure, and are privately held. I only take clients where I deal directly with the owner and I usually end up with an equity interest in the company if it is a long term engagement.

My clients typically have fewer then 40 employees and take home about $100k to 150k per year. They are the typical small business person who works hard, generates jobs but is so busy fighting fires they never achieve the scale and profitability they should.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that if card check leads to workers organizing these small employers the owners will shut their doors. Many of these small business owners could get a job, take a pay cut but work 25% to 50% fewer hours every week.

The election of Obama, the bailout bills and the class war fare rhetoric of the last election has taken away the dream of hitting it big for many of these people. Many do not believe if they work hard now they will be repaid in the future. They are looking to correct that work life balance so many W2 employees talk about.

Card check will be an unmitigated disaster.

515 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:41am

Kools! I still can't get past the Kools!

It's not enough he's a charlatan of the first (and worst) water; it's not enough he's got a personality cult like nothing I can remember; it's not enough the guy is the absolute living embodiment (and apotheosis) of everything that's wrong with the educational, legal, and political system of the United States; it's not enough that he uses as a shield and a weapon the fact of his Muslim ancestry and connections, mention of which shall not be made by any except for him; it's not enough the guy can't be bothered to show up on time for anything, behaves like a bored, petulant child when he does, and thinks we're the better for living in the world with him.

No, he's gotta smoke Kools, doesn't he? He can't do even one decent, classy thing with his vices.

516 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:47am

re: #493 realwest

If the Republicans were in they'd be voting to waste the money in slightly different ways but the money would still be wasted. Partisans only get upset when the other side wastes money. Neither party has shown any financial responsibility. The bill might work or it might not. We'll have to wait and see but either way it's not the end of the world. Personally, I hope it works.

517 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:48am

re: #499 jtisdel

Yes, that's what we have to do. The issue is how to weather 2 years of Carter II (or Hoover II or FDR II - pick your poison). We need to keep hammering the Left on this and, when things turn around, don't allow the Left to take credit for it - like they've done regarding the Great Depression. Make this economic down turn the albatross around their necks.

Exactly. upding.

518 debutaunt  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:53:59am

re: #183 Logic

To make it truly appropriate, it should be sung in a minor key at a dirge temp.

It was inevitable that this monstrosity would pass - I'm just glad it didn't go through on Ronald Reagan's birthday (Feb. 6th).

To paraphrase Bette Davis, fasten your seatbelts - it's going to be a bumpy, downhill ride!

I'd kiss ya, but I just washed my hair.

519 JacksonTn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:00am

Well, I must get back to work ...just driving by ...at least I still have work ...still up north ....going back south tomorrow ...I have my own business and will try to keep as many employees on the payroll as possible ... I hope things do not get to where we have to lay people off ...we have never had to ....

I HATE THIS CRAP ...A BIG F*CK YOU TO ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA

520 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:05am

re: #486 Cygnus

"Stimulus package, that's the name
And away go our investments down the drain."

/for those who are old enough to remember that ad

Obama-rooter...
;-)

521 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:09am

re: #506 Ford_Prefect

Of course not. I never said things were great. Just that they do not spell the end of this country. If you want a positive spin on it, though, like I said earlier, I think the Dem's have signed their own eviction papers with this. There is no way this can come out good for them.

One can only hope. and change. or rope-a-hope-a-dope. or... nevermind.

522 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:13am
523 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:28am

re: #145 buzzsawmonkey

You vote for stimulus
What do you get?
A dropping Dow Jones and trillions of debt
St. Peter don't you call me, 'cause I can't go
I'm deep in hock to the Gramscian Ho's.

"Sixteen Tons" is probably an Obama family favourite.//

524 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:35am

Holy shit. Obama and Geithner have crashed the market.

525 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:54:42am

Kenneth-if you see this...I just saw your comment. I am so sorry to hear about your Mom. May her memory be a blessing, and may you and your loved ones live long healthy lives.

Lizards-Kenneth's mom passed away. Kenneth is one of the nicest people I know...and I've met him in person-to have raised such a fine person, with such a strong moral compass and big heart-well, his mother must have been an incredible person.

{Kenneth}

526 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:55:05am

re: #513 gmsc

As far as stocks go:

1) You should be buying and holding for the long term, anyway.

2) Now is a good time to put money in, with prices so low and all. It's akin to planting a tree as an expression of faith in the future.

3) If you invested in the market the day before the 1929 crash, and held on to it for the next 20 years, you would've had a market return that's among the great in the history of returns of stocks held over 20 years.

I'm worried about my co-workers who are approaching retirement age. Damned shame for them.

527 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:55:10am

re: #387 Ward Cleaver

In the meantime, my company sinks even further, and I get laid off. Thanks alot, Obama.

/and the fucking rinos

Welcome to the club. I was laid off a month. Good luck to you.

528 formercorpsman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:55:29am

re: #417 republic

I would like to say I'm surprised.

Obviously, I won't.

529 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:55:57am

re: #513 gmsc

As far as stocks go:

1) You should be buying and holding for the long term, anyway.

2) Now is a good time to put money in, with prices so low and all. It's akin to planting a tree as an expression of faith in the future.

3) If you invested in the market the day before the 1929 crash, and held on to it for the next 20 years, you would've had a market return that's among the great in the history of returns of stocks held over 20 years.

And there were people who made fortunes buying up stocks people were dumping during the crash.

For too many people next week is long term now. 20 years is unthinkable.

530 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:13am

re: #513 gmsc

what do you think about calls right about now especially in pretty sound equities such as GE, ATT....?

531 Bob Dillon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:31am

re: #10 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I never thought I'd say that I trust Wall Street.

/at the moment, I do

You can trust the indexes. Just not the brokers rhetoric.

532 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:35am

re: #514 jester6

I agree completely. And isn't the Orwellian title of that legislation something like the Employee Free Choice Act? That's despicable.

533 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:41am

Gah!

534 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:42am

re: #495 capitalist piglet

Prove me wrong, then.

Until you do I still wield a wicked cane and mean walker. ;)

535 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:43am

re: #394 loppyd
Oh yes, having everyone's medical records (with the probable exception of President Obama's medical records) in one Federally controlled data base does not bode well for the privacy rights of citizens.
My point was, however, that my privacy rights take second place to me and my mom's staying alive.

536 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:50am

The DOWn seems to have support around 7930 right now. If this thing breaks hard down below 7900, it's off to a race to the bottom.

537 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:56:56am

re: #508 Adrenalyn

hey, is this the next big terror attack ?

the one that finally wipes us out

how fucking clever of them

well, they finally did it

and no one from the CIA, FBI, etc, did anything to stop them

It was an inside job.

538 bellamags  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:01am

re: #395 FurryOldGuyJeans

you're cute!

539 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:10am

re: #475 ladycatnip

#442 republic
Ok, this is really creepy - C-span speaking with Rep. Kanjorski (D) about an electronic run on the banks just after McCain/Palin began surpassing Obama in the polls. Was this just a coincidence?

Here we have a democrat talking about this, but no one in the media has said a word since. Now this is the stuff of conspiracies.

$500 Billion withdrawn from American Money Market Funds.

I thought of Soros, before Rush said it.

Does Soros or any one person on the planet have that kind of power?

Not by himself, but he is certainly capable of sparking a panic. He nearly broke the Bank of England, if you'll recall.

540 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:11am

re: #526 Wyatt Earp

I'm worried about my co-workers who are approaching retirement age. Damned shame for them.

They won't survive government-rationed health care.
Enjoy your soylent green.
/I wish this were sarc. Well, the part about soylent green is sarc.

541 redstateredneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:18am

Crap! Here comes Fed Ex with work for me.
Later, {lizards}

542 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:25am

Suggested talking point for any Lizard thinking of running for Congress: Are you (my fellow voters) better off now (in 2010) than you were in 2006? Remember that my opponent the incumbent Democrat and their party have been in control of Congress since then.

543 Adrenalyn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:40am

will John Kerry's military records be available, along with my medical records ?

544 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:40am

re: #530 Big Steve

what do you think about calls right about now especially in pretty sound equities such as GE, ATT....?

I was speaking generally about investing. For specific stocks as related to your particular needs, I suggest finding a good broker or other financial professional.

545 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:57:55am

re: #541 redstateredneck

Crap! Here comes Fed Ex with work for me.
Later, {lizards}

B*stard! Flaunting your work like that!
//

546 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:58:03am

there are enough dumb fck losers in this country who really think they're getting a unicorn.
a new car, a house, a new kitchen all from obama.
this is what they projected onto his empty rhetoric.

he is still campaigning.
that is all he can do.
he will never be able to actually be potus.
he is the eternal candidate.
w/ empty promises.

547 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:58:07am

re: #531 Bobibutu

You can trust the indexes. Just not the brokers rhetoric.

True, and I guess that's kind of what I meant.
I'm not well-off enough to be a market player.

548 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:58:09am

I don't know exactly who made the quote, but it certainly seems accurate,

"A people get the government they deserve."

Congratulations!

If only Americans could have realized that elections have very serious consequences.

This harm won't be undone.

Total globalization is next up on tap.

549 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:58:14am

re: #538 bellamags

I've met enough who would disagree with you.

550 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:58:31am

re: #454 Guanxi88

That is disgraceful. Unforgivable! On top of everything else, the guy smokes the tobacco equivalent of St. Ives? Howsabout a little class, Barry? You wanna smoke? Fine! But smoke something decent; show a little class, man!

Hey, my dad smoked Kools unfiltered for nearly 40 years! Then again, he passed away at the age of 55. Bad example.

551 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:03am

re: #502 EmmmieG

Read Amity Shlaes's "The Forgotten Man", a history of the Great Depression. She discusses all of the mistakes made by Hoover and Roosevelt in mismanaging the Great Depression. Hoover's signature of the Smoot Hawley protectionist tariff was a major blunder. The Buy American provision in the current stimulus are similar in character. They'll ignite a trade war that will make things worse.

In the short term, the Federal Reserve does need to combat deflation, but this stimulus is a reckless shotgun.

552 Optimizer  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:22am

re: #524 kansas

Holy shit. Obama and Geithner have crashed the market.

You ain't kiddin'.

If the economy picks up anyway (in the short term) they'll take the credit. When it eventually stalls, they'll say it wasn't enough. Will the people buy it?

553 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:23am

re: #544 gmsc

I was speaking generally about investing. For specific stocks as related to your particular needs, I suggest finding a good broker or other financial professional.

I have three....rarely do they agree.

554 rw in san diego  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:25am

re: #269 realwest

It doesn't have to pass the House, it has to go to a House/Senate conference to "iron out" the differences between the bill the House passed and the bill the Senate Passed.
Let us hope that the conference committee takes out the provisions that allow the Federal Government to overrule your decisions on your health care, seconded by your Doctor and agreed to by either your Health Insurer or Medicare, at a minimum.

Realwest, how many people know about those provisions? It's critical that this be made known to the general public. I think even Obama supporters would have a difficult time accepting the rationed and less than optimal health care that will be out collective lot when this fiasco is signed.

555 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:35am

re: #448 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, just some pr0n I found on the web. ;)

Seriously, it is me. Air sickness bags available upon request.

No, no; it's a great picture. Balding guys with beards look good!

556 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:36am

re: #525 WriterMom

Kenneth-if you see this...I just saw your comment. I am so sorry to hear about your Mom. May her memory be a blessing, and may you and your loved ones live long healthy lives.

Lizards-Kenneth's mom passed away. Kenneth is one of the nicest people I know...and I've met him in person-to have raised such a fine person, with such a strong moral compass and big heart-well, his mother must have been an incredible person.

{Kenneth}

Thanks for the update. Kenneth, you and your family are in my thoughts.

557 tackle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:43am

re: #494 bulwrk

It just kills me that the same dumb asses that scream bloody murder about warrantless wiretapping will gleefully let the government compile their complete medical records.

I was thinking the same thing. What are the victims of this administration? Privacy and agency.

558 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:55am

re: #552 Optimizer

You ain't kiddin'.

If the economy picks up anyway (in the short term) they'll take the credit. When it eventually stalls, they'll say it wasn't enough. Will the people buy it?


Yup.

559 Bob Dillon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:59:56am

re: #543 Adrenalyn

will John Kerry's military records be available, along with my medical records ?

The elite will have loopholes.

You, just bend over.

/

560 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:00:13am

re: #550 doppelganglander

Hey, my dad smoked Kools unfiltered for nearly 40 years! Then again, he passed away at the age of 55. Bad example.

Look, if you started to smoke Kools any time after about 1970, then you're just low-class. It was once a respected brand, but now, not so much.

Besides, he's supposed to be the leader of the greatest nation in human history, and he smokes Detroit's favorite cigarette?

561 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:00:18am

re: #544 gmsc

I was speaking generally about investing. For specific stocks as related to your particular needs, I suggest finding a good broker or other financial professional.

Great advice. I went to a seminar awhile back where the speaker opined that when looking at stocks in a time like this, look for companies who make things people need, not just things that people want.

Not an investment expert, but thought the idea was interesting.

562 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:00:42am

re: #544 gmsc

I was speaking generally about investing. For specific stocks as related to your particular needs, I suggest finding a good broker or other financial professional.

I'll walk around Wall Street with a net and see if I can catch one before he hits the ground.

563 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:00:54am

re: #543 Adrenalyn

will John Kerry's military records be available, along with my medical records ?

I'm actually more interested in the Obamas college transcripts.

564 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:00:56am

re: #549 FurryOldGuyJeans

I've met enough who would disagree with you.

she meant cute in a bull dog sort of way....

Image: english_bulldog_wallpaper.jpg

565 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:04am

re: #522 taxfreekiller

the S & L deal had all to do with the northeast Democrats not wanting the South and Southwest to become any stronger money wise, so they used the S & L deal to steal with Govt. money the assets of the South and Southwest.

they are evil crooks


No Dem Senators voted nay.
All the Repubs who voted nay were from Western, Southwestern, Midwestern and Southern states.
The two backstabbing RINOS were from the NorthEast. Snowe and Spector.

I'm not going to say any more or I will get myself in trouble. Heh.

566 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:05am

re: #559 Bobibutu

The elite will have loopholes.

You, just bend over.

/


ahh....so the bill contains free colonoscopies

567 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:06am

re: #551 quickjustice

Read Amity Shlaes's "The Forgotten Man", a history of the Great Depression. She discusses all of the mistakes made by Hoover and Roosevelt in mismanaging the Great Depression. Hoover's signature of the Smoot Hawley protectionist tariff was a major blunder. The Buy American provision in the current stimulus are similar in character. They'll ignite a trade war that will make things worse.

In the short term, the Federal Reserve does need to combat deflation, but this stimulus is a reckless shotgun.

I regret that I have but one upding to give for your recommendation of Amity Shlaes.

568 Karagush  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:07am

re: #427 Leonidas Hoplite

I am literally having a panic attack over this.

so am I. For me this is very bad. OTOH i am gonna marry a Marine. At least he can protect me somewhat if things get hairy. UNLESS he's deployed.

569 bellamags  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:44am

re: #556 doppelganglander

I just friend requested you on facebook! LOL

570 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:01:56am

re: #551 quickjustice

FDR also tried some crazy stuff with taxes. As I recall he tried several times to raise taxes on the upper tax brackets to something like 90%.

571 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:07am

re: #552 Optimizer

You ain't kiddin'.

If the economy picks up anyway (in the short term) they'll take the credit. When it eventually stalls, they'll say it wasn't enough. Will the people buy it?

There's so much bullshit around it's hard to take a step. I thought I was being alarmist thinking Obama is a plant, but I really think he's in this to deliver a body blow to the US.

572 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:08am

below 7930, now.

573 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:17am

re: #513 gmsc

Personally, I'd buy some real estate or commodities to hedge against inflation. (Buying low always is a good thing). Gold isn't as good an investment. It'll appreciate as against inflation, but won't give you any investment "lift" beyond that.

574 debutaunt  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:39am

re: #566 Big Steve

ahh....so the bill contains free colonoscopies

Free and random - surprise!

575 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:42am

re: #543 Adrenalyn

will John Kerry's military records be available, along with my medical records ?

He still needs to sign that Standard Form-180 for the "FULL" release of those military records, that he promised like 3 and a half years ago.

576 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:02:47am

re: #535 realwest

Oh yes, having everyone's medical records (with the probable exception of President Obama's medical records) in one Federally controlled data base does not bode well for the privacy rights of citizens.
My point was, however, that my privacy rights take second place to me and my mom's staying alive.


realwest, the Federal Govt would decide the cost/benefit of each diagnosis and plan of treatment.

If there is no real benefit, according to a govt bureaucracy, there will be no treatment.

577 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:03:14am

re: #534 FurryOldGuyJeans

Prove me wrong, then.

Until you do I still wield a wicked cane and mean walker. ;)

5.3.8.

Sheesh. That was easy. Give me a tough job.

578 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:03:16am

re: #145 buzzsawmonkey Now we need you to rework the lyrics of "Godzilla" to "Porkzilla".

/I forget who sang Godzilla : /

579 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:03:30am

re: #570 Killgore Trout

The top U.S. tax rates were 90% until Jack Kennedy dropped them.

580 Bob Dillon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:03:37am

re: #566 Big Steve

ahh....so the bill contains free colonoscopies

lol

Amongst other invasive procedures.

Did you peak?

581 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:03:38am

re: #551 quickjustice

Read Amity Shlaes's "The Forgotten Man", a history of the Great Depression. She discusses all of the mistakes made by Hoover and Roosevelt in mismanaging the Great Depression. Hoover's signature of the Smoot Hawley protectionist tariff was a major blunder. The Buy American provision in the current stimulus are similar in character. They'll ignite a trade war that will make things worse.

In the short term, the Federal Reserve does need to combat deflation, but this stimulus is a reckless shotgun.

Great book! I saw an interview with a guy who's written a book called "New Deal Raw Deal". It sounds similar to Amity Schlaes' book. Have you heard about/read it yet?

582 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:03am

re: #573 quickjustice

Personally, I'd buy some real estate or commodities to hedge against inflation. (Buying low always is a good thing). Gold isn't as good an investment. It'll appreciate as against inflation, but won't give you any investment "lift" beyond that.

Gold isn't so much an investment as an insurance policy.

583 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:11am
584 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:14am

Sosad to see new NY Sen. Gillibrand on there... She voted in the House AGAINST the original bailout last year, as she was a blue dog Dem...

It's clear whose side she is on now... Partisan hack...

585 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:18am

re: #578 UberInfidel67

Now we need you to rework the lyrics of "Godzilla" to "Porkzilla".

/I forget who sang Godzilla : /


Blue Oyster Cult

586 ichef  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:52am

On Rush he's talking about the "Townhall"...
Some lady wants PrezBO to buy her a car (a small one that can carry a family), a bathroom and kitchen (assuming she wants the rest of the house to go with that).
College "Dude" working at McDonalds for 4 1/2 years wants PrezBO to have the franchiser that risked over 2 million to start a restaurant, has to pay royalties out the yingyang, a business that mostly is considered "entry level" job to pay more "benefits" cause this guy seems to either not be able to move up or in a "college town" find another gig.

/Daddy O what are you going to gimme today?

587 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:56am

re: #560 Guanxi88

Look, if you started to smoke Kools any time after about 1970, then you're just low-class. It was once a respected brand, but now, not so much.

Besides, he's supposed to be the leader of the greatest nation in human history, and he smokes Detroit's favorite cigarette?

The brand does have a declasse reputation, doesn't it? When I was a smoker, my rowdy friends smoked Newports or Marlboro. I went for Salems for that touch of class.

Frankly, I think Galoises might suit Obie better.

588 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:04:57am

re: #570 Killgore Trout

FDR also tried some crazy stuff with taxes. As I recall he tried several times to raise taxes on the upper tax brackets to something like 90%.

Yep. He wanted a 90% tax on anyone in the upper tax brackets. FDR also floated an idea to have a 100%, yes, I said 100%, tax on anyone making over $100,000 a year.

589 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:13am

re: #569 bellamags

I just friend requested you on facebook! LOL

Excellent! I'll go add you now!

590 Bob Dillon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:24am

re: #576 republic

realwest, the Federal Govt would decide the cost/benefit of each diagnosis and plan of treatment.

If there is no real benefit, according to a govt bureaucracy, there will be no treatment.

Wasn't there a theme in an old movie about this?

591 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:25am

re: #579 quickjustice

The top U.S. tax rates were 90% until Jack Kennedy dropped them.

The last real taxcut, by a Democrat.

592 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:29am

re: #566 Big Steve

ahh....so the bill contains free colonoscopies

BOHICA: BEND OVER HERE IT COMES AGAIN!

593 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:30am

re: #527 Cygnus

Welcome to the club. I was laid off a month. Good luck to you.

"A month ago" PIMF

594 ladycatnip  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:37am

#539 Spiny Norman

Does Soros or any one person on the planet have that kind of power?

Not by himself, but he is certainly capable of sparking a panic. He nearly broke the Bank of England, if you'll recall.

Wouldn't there be some sort of paper trail the feds could follow? This to me sounds and smells like what others upthread have said - a terrorist attack on the U.S. economy from within. If other countries or an evil man like Soros could actually influence and control an election, then it should be exposed and measures taken to ensure this will never happen again. I'll do some reading to see how England averted disaster.

595 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:39am

re: #571 kansas

There's so much bullshit around it's hard to take a step. I thought I was being alarmist thinking Obama is a plant, but I really think he's in this to deliver a body blow to the US.

Has the world not shown you enough examples of human gullibility?
We will believe absolutely anything.

596 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:40am

re: #569 bellamags

I just friend requested you on facebook! LOL

On that note. I suggest that anyone who is on Facebook join the Little Green Footballs group. I am there.

597 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:41am

re: #561 subsailor68

Great advice. I went to a seminar awhile back where the speaker opined that when looking at stocks in a time like this, look for companies who make things people need, not just things that people want.

Not an investment expert, but thought the idea was interesting.

Note to self: Find out who manufactures gas masks and Cipro.

598 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:05:48am

Did anyone notice last night that Obama made reference to the bailout having failed and then the reporters, without questioning, started echoing it. One reporter even said in her question, and I paraphrase, "since the first bailout didn't work, how will this be different." Is the MSM that completely and utterly without any analytical facalties? Are we talking about the first bailout that was like one freakin month ago or so and has only started to outlay cash. Were reporters actually expecting this thing to turn around in 30 days?

599 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:06:07am

re: #587 doppelganglander

The brand does have a declasse reputation, doesn't it? When I was a smoker, my rowdy friends smoked Newports or Marlboro. I went for Salems for that touch of class.

Frankly, I think Galoises might suit Obie better.

I just roll my own...

600 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:06:37am

re: #381 Blue Falcon

7,941 right now, but I think you're about right where it'll end today. That's assuming something big doesn't happen in the news or with a major industry.

I'm looking the technicals - DJI, SPX, OEX - and they sure do look weak(and I'm trying to be nice). ...and it sure does look like 8k just became the resistance level with 7400 our next lower support.

Institution programs should be kicking-in, lets hope they're on the buy side.

601 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:06:38am

re: #597 capitalist piglet

Note to self: Find out who manufactures gas masks and Cipro.

LOL! Why sir, I believe you've got the concept down pat!

602 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:06:56am

re: #568 Karagush

so am I. For me this is very bad. OTOH i am gonna marry a Marine. At least he can protect me somewhat if things get hairy. UNLESS he's deployed.

This just breaks my heart.

603 tackle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:07:40am

Reid: "This is an emergency".
It wasn't until you wrote this horrible bill, Harry.
Talk about a self-fulfulling prophecy. If I was smarter I'd think they'd want the economy to tank as much as possible. Bring America to its knees and then "save" them.

604 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:07:45am

re: #587 doppelganglander

The brand does have a declasse reputation, doesn't it? When I was a smoker, my rowdy friends smoked Newports or Marlboro. I went for Salems for that touch of class.

Frankly, I think Galoises might suit Obie better.

Best cigarettes in the world, when you can get them, are Sobranie; Balkan Sobranie used to be the best pipe tobacco out there, but, sadly, there's no more to be found. I suspect the cigs are the same deal.

Davidoff makes some very fine coffin nails, too.

605 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:07:54am

Caligula appointed his horse to the Roman Senate. The horse would have been a better senator than 61 of ours; he would have voted "Nay".

Ours are a bunch of horse's asses.

606 brookly red  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:07:57am

re: #597 capitalist piglet


bayer makes cipro

607 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:08:05am

re: #581 subsailor68

Great book! I saw an interview with a guy who's written a book called "New Deal Raw Deal". It sounds similar to Amity Schlaes' book. Have you heard about/read it yet?

Yes, "New Deal or Raw Deal" by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. I read it, and found it to be most interesting and informative. BTW, did you know FDR used lucky numbers to figure how some of what he was going to do?

608 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:08:05am

re: #584 tfc3rid

Sosad to see new NY Sen. Gillibrand on there... She voted in the House AGAINST the original bailout last year, as she was a blue dog Dem...

It's clear whose side she is on now... Partisan hack...

she has been "educated".
schmuck schmer saw to that.
i bet she's not pro-gun anymore either.
i hope peter king takes the seat from her.

609 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:08:06am

re: #513 gmsc

As far as stocks go:

1) You should be buying and holding for the long term, anyway.

2) Now is a good time to put money in, with prices so low and all. It's akin to planting a tree as an expression of faith in the future.

3) If you invested in the market the day before the 1929 crash, and held on to it for the next 20 years, you would've had a market return that's among the great in the history of returns of stocks held over 20 years.

I do hope you are right, because thats the game I am playing.

/But, sometimes ..........

610 Bob Dillon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:08:37am

re: #591 republic

The last real taxcut, by a Democrat.

His Republican SecTres was the source and driving force for those cuts. Kennedy saw the light.

611 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:08:57am

re: #603 tackle

Reid: "This is an emergency".
It wasn't until you wrote this horrible bill, Harry.
Talk about a self-fulfulling prophecy. If I was smarter I'd think they'd want the economy to tank as much as possible. Bring America to its knees and then "save" them.

Reid is a walking, talking, EMERGENCY!

612 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:09:35am

re: #586 ichef

On Rush he's talking about the "Townhall"...
Some lady wants PrezBO to buy her a car (a small one that can carry a family), a bathroom and kitchen (assuming she wants the rest of the house to go with that).
College "Dude" working at McDonalds for 4 1/2 years wants PrezBO to have the franchiser that risked over 2 million to start a restaurant, has to pay royalties out the yingyang, a business that mostly is considered "entry level" job to pay more "benefits" cause this guy seems to either not be able to move up or in a "college town" find another gig.

/Daddy O what are you going to gimme today?

Rush told anyone who wants a job, or a car, or a kitchen, to call the White House, then call Nancy Pelalegosi, then call Harry Reid.

I love it.

613 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:16am

re: #553 Big Steve

I have three....rarely do they agree.

I'd temper their advice with advice and analysis from The Motley Fool, then decide for yourself.

614 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:18am

re: #611 Dustyvet

Reid is a walking, talking, EMERGENCY!

or exigency. Take your pick.

615 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:19am

re: #594 ladycatnip

#539 Spiny Norman

Wouldn't there be some sort of paper trail the feds could follow? This to me sounds and smells like what others upthread have said - a terrorist attack on the U.S. economy from within. If other countries or an evil man like Soros could actually influence and control an election, then it should be exposed and measures taken to ensure this will never happen again. I'll do some reading to see how England averted disaster.

They suspended trading of the Pound Sterling, for one thing. I can't recall what else was done, but it stopped the panic trading.

616 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:22am

re: #590 Bobibutu

Wasn't there a theme in an old movie about this?

"Soiled Green"?

617 yma o hyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:26am

re: #607 Honorary Yooper

Yes, "New Deal or Raw Deal" by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. I read it, and found it to be most interesting and informative. BTW, did you know FDR used lucky numbers to figure how some of what he was going to do?

Excellent book, that.
I look at it as a sort of forecast of what PB0 and the dems will come up with next.
Like an early warning system.

618 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:10:29am

Looking at the roll call just to make sure Texas was properly represented (and we were, thankfully), I saw 98 votes.

I understand Minnesota is short a Senator. Sad, but I get it.

Where was Sen. Gregg (R-NH) today?

619 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:02am

Just how did the Republicans maneuver themselves into this state of affairs? Talk about bad Karma.

620 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:05am

re: #603 tackle

Reid: "This is an emergency".
It wasn't until you wrote this horrible bill, Harry.
Talk about a self-fulfulling prophecy. If I was smarter I'd think they'd want the economy to tank as much as possible. Bring America to its knees and then "save" them.

If they sealed this man in Yucca mountain for 100 yrs, he'd still be moving when they reopened it. Fartcake.

621 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:16am

re: #601 subsailor68

LOL! Why sir, I believe you've got the concept down pat!

I'm not a sir, but even a "sweetie" can catch on in Obamaland. : )

622 nikis-knight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:24am

re: #494 bulwrk

It just kills me that the same dumb asses that scream bloody murder about warrantless wiretapping will gleefully let the government compile their complete medical records.

Not to mention every dime you earn.

623 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:24am

re: #596 Ford_Prefect

On that note. I suggest that anyone who is on Facebook join the Little Green Footballs group. I am there.

I didn't know we had one. I will join forthwith.

624 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:26am

re: #610 Bobibutu

His Republican SecTres was the source and driving force for those cuts. Kennedy saw the light.

Indeed.

Thanks

625 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:27am

re: #434 opnion
You are correct: people will die. And probably in more pain than they would otherwise need to be.

626 bellamags  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:38am

re: #596 Ford_Prefect

OMG - there is a littlegreenfootballs group? I am TOTALLY there.

627 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:44am

re: #607 Honorary Yooper

Yes, "New Deal or Raw Deal" by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. I read it, and found it to be most interesting and informative. BTW, did you know FDR used lucky numbers to figure how some of what he was going to do?

Thanks for the info. I'll pick it up this afternoon!

Hmm....given what he ended up doing to the economy, he probably should have found some different lucky numbers, eh?

;-)

628 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:47am

re: #606 brookly red

bayer makes cipro

Thank you! I was joking at first, but hey...

629 scannit  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:11:53am

FWIW,

The RNC will not get one red cent from me if they support these 3 RINOs for their re-elections! Mainly because most of my money will be going to pay this bill!

But I will support, with whatever I can, anyone who runs against them!

These 3 rinos just mortgaged my Grandchildrens' futures. And my 2 kids are 11 and 7, so having grandchildren is 10 to 15 years away.

The ship is sinking, every man for himself...

630 SFGoth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:00am

Funny how we couldn't get 37 Repubs to vote against Bush's spending.

631 Karagush  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:18am

re: #509 quickjustice

The people instigating the "run" on the U.S. money markets also might have been foreign governments acting in concert. The Chinese, the Venezuelans, the Iranians, the North Koreans, or the Arabs could have done it.

i read something about that in the Asia Times. Seems the article was about the law of unintended consequences and how it was supposed we could go down and they'd be ok. It stopped when they discovered that no indeedy they would go down with us. Asia (read China, the ME) was somewhat surprised to discover that if we die they take it too.
I remember this article very clearly. wish i had a link.

632 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:25am

re: #578 UberInfidel67

Now we need you to rework the lyrics of "Godzilla" to "Porkzilla".

/I forget who sang Godzilla : /

633 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:34am

Work calls. Gotta go.

634 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:37am

Oh, let's play the "Blame Bush" game! It will never get old, it seems.

635 tackle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:12:56am

re: #612 republic

Rush told anyone who wants a job, or a car, or a kitchen, to call the White House, then call Nancy Pelalegosi, then call Harry Reid.

I love it.

I hate how these people treat us like we're incompetent morons. During the townhall I recall Obama taking about the difficulty of doing so much paperwork for something. Gah!

636 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:06am

re: #623 doppelganglander

I didn't know we had one. I will join forthwith.

As am I

637 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:20am

re: #605 Kosh's Shadow

Caligula appointed his horse to the Roman Senate. The horse would have been a better senator than 61 of ours; he would have voted "Nay".

Ours are a bunch of horse's asses.

Give that horse the gavel! STOMP STOMP STOMP.

638 SFGoth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:39am

re: #629 scannit

FWIW,

The RNC will not get one red cent from me if they support these 3 RINOs for their re-elections! Mainly because most of my money will be going to pay this bill!


Didn't Bush support all 3 in election fights? FDR had Hoover, Carter had Ford, and Obama's got Bush. We just get shafted.

639 soccerdad  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:41am

I just sooo embarrassed to be from pennsylvania right now. A dem and a RINO...

The only thing that makes me feel better is that I emailed both the idiots ahead of the vote and expressed my wishes that they not vote for the package.

640 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:44am

re: #619 unreconstructed rebel

Just how did the Republicans maneuver themselves into this state of affairs? Talk about bad Karma.

They tried to be like the Dems in their wasteful spending when they had the majority.

641 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:13:52am

re: #621 capitalist piglet

I'm not a sir, but even a "sweetie" can catch on in Obamaland. : )

OMG, I'm sorry ma'am. (Hangs head in shame.)

Promise I won't make that mistake again!

642 SFGoth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:14:09am

re: #632 gmsc

[Video]

Blue Oyster Cult! :->

643 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:14:21am

Under 7930, again - expect trouble if we see a break much lower.

644 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:14:25am

re: #514 jester6

I heard "card check" discussed by a "Right to Work" advocate last night at my GOP meeting. He said the legislation enacting card check is layered with several other pro-organized labor provisions, including mandatory arbitration by Obama-appointed arbitrators in unionized shops.

The union legislative strategy, which is very clever, will be to drop their demands for card check in exchange for other pro-union provisions that are equally toxic.

645 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:14:30am

re: #625 realwest

You are correct: people will die. And probably in more pain than they would otherwise need to be.

This is not meant as hyperbole, but Obama is a guy that actually defended infanticide. Nothing is really beneath the guy in the area of healthcare.

646 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:14:34am

re: #310 quickjustice

You're mistaken about the repeal of Glass-Steagle (sp). The termination of the separation of investment banking from commercial banking didn't cause the current crisis.

The repeal of Glass-Stengle allowed the creation of bohemoth financial institutions. When those behemoths failed, things got bad in a hurry. The repeal may not have caused the crisis, but it facilitated the downfall.

647 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:15:26am

re: #527 Cygnus

Welcome to the club. I was laid off a month. Good luck to you.

2 months ago for me.

I WANT MY GOVERNMENT CHEESE!

648 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:15:35am

re: #643 Guanxi88

Under 7930, again - expect trouble if we see a break much lower.

This ain't trouble? "Nobody knows the trouble I've......"

649 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:15:49am

i'm just jumping right into the middle of this thread, I apoligize if this question has already been asked. the vote was 61-37 with 1 vote not voting. that brings the total to 99. who didn't vote? plus that real-time election coverage on Israelycools site is well, pretty cool

650 nikis-knight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:01am

re: #516 Killgore Trout

If the Republicans were in they'd be voting to waste the money in slightly different ways but the money would still be wasted. Partisans only get upset when the other side wastes money. Neither party has shown any financial responsibility. The bill might work or it might not. We'll have to wait and see but either way it's not the end of the world. Personally, I hope it works.

I don't have enough hope for that, but sure, I'd prefer it if this gave me my unicorn, finally. Or, less sarcastically, did lead to productive jobs and all that.

651 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:05am

re: #647 NJDhockeyfan

2 months ago for me.

I WANT MY GOVERNMENT CHEESE!

Ah yes. Commodities!

652 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:13am

re: #581 subsailor68

Great read! It's more political in tone, however. Shlaes's book is more balanced and scholarly. She criticizes both Hoover and Roosevelt for their foolish interventions.

653 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:27am

Anyone know what time they passed the Stimu-less© Bill?

Heck...let me take a guess.

654 SFGoth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:31am

re: #634 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, let's play the "Blame Bush" game! It will never get old, it seems.

Maybe if he hadn't started the whole rush to mortgage the future.... He DID support that stupid plan last Fall, remember? Of course, when was the last (or only) time Bush refused to spend Gov't $? Oh right, stem cell research. (Though I agree with it) that was *such* a tough call to make.... But he sure spent on everything that his buddy Teddy wanted.

655 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:33am

re: #646 DeafDog

The repeal of Glass-Stengle allowed the creation of bohemoth financial institutions. When those behemoths failed, things got bad in a hurry. The repeal may not have caused the crisis, but it facilitated the downfall.

Yeah, but he was a heck of a baseball manager.

(Just teasing...I know you just hit the "n" instead of the "a")

656 XMarine  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:50am

7923 and going down ...

657 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:16:58am

re: #641 subsailor68

OMG, I'm sorry ma'am. (Hangs head in shame.)

Promise I won't make that mistake again!

That's okay. It happens a lot! I thought changing my avatar would help, but nope! LOL (Maybe I look like a dude.)

658 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:23am

re: #648 Nevergiveup

This ain't trouble? "Nobody knows the trouble I've......"

7,921 as of just a minute ago.

If the market closes down for the week, and doesn't recover (return to pre-Porkulus levels) by the end of the month, then I think it's safe to say that the investors will have passed judgment on the plan.

659 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:25am

re: #586 ichef

On Rush he's talking about the "Townhall"...
Some lady wants PrezBO to buy her a car (a small one that can carry a family), a bathroom and kitchen (assuming she wants the rest of the house to go with that).
College "Dude" working at McDonalds for 4 1/2 years wants PrezBO to have the franchiser that risked over 2 million to start a restaurant, has to pay royalties out the yingyang, a business that mostly is considered "entry level" job to pay more "benefits" cause this guy seems to either not be able to move up or in a "college town" find another gig.

/Daddy O what are you going to gimme today?

O's answer to julio who worked at mcd's was: 'uh so you uh have an uh job,
uh you should be proud. you can be proud'.
PROUD?
that was not what the minimum wage worker was expecting at all.
he was bitching abt. his burger job.
he wanted his promised reward from O.
not an admonition to be proud. LOL
i'm betting this guy is starting to realize his check is not in the mail.

660 Picayune  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:33am

Sen. McConnell now on Fox News presser - calls Porkapalooozza the Europeanization of America, with % of US Gov spending of GDP to now almost double from around 20% to just under 40%.

Now that's sooooome change. God help us.

661 IgofAntioch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:48am

What happened to all the "conservative democrats" that ran a more conservative campaign against the more moderate republicans in the last election and won?

662 SummerSong  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:48am

re: #513 gmsc

As far as stocks go:

1) You should be buying and holding for the long term, anyway.

2) Now is a good time to put money in, with prices so low and all. It's akin to planting a tree as an expression of faith in the future.

3) If you invested in the market the day before the 1929 crash, and held on to it for the next 20 years, you would've had a market return that's among the great in the history of returns of stocks held over 20 years.

You are assuming that all investors have 20 years to wait.

663 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:17:48am

Got to love these idiot Senators trying to defend the porkulus bill:

Bush and Wasteful Spending, Bad.
Obama and Even More Wasteful Spending, Good!

664 SFGoth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:03am

re: #646 DeafDog

The repeal of Glass-Stengle allowed the creation of bohemoth financial institutions. When those behemoths failed, things got bad in a hurry. The repeal may not have caused the crisis, but it facilitated the downfall.

Isn't that called putting all your eggs in one basket?

665 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:05am

re: #652 quickjustice

Great read! It's more political in tone, however. Shlaes's book is more balanced and scholarly. She criticizes both Hoover and Roosevelt for their foolish interventions.

Thanks...sounds like it's still worth the investment. And I concur about Schlaes' book...it rapidly became a favorite of mine.

666 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:07am

re: #657 capitalist piglet

That's okay. It happens a lot! I thought changing my avatar would help, but nope! LOL (Maybe I look like a dude.)

ah I don't think so...no

667 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:07am

re: #635 tackle

I hate how these people treat us like we're incompetent morons. During the townhall I recall Obama taking about the difficulty of doing so much paperwork for something. Gah!

Incompetant morons are the only people who are ever around these leftist kook Demonrats, thus, they think that most Americans are.

It wasn't more obvious than in the 2006 and 2008 elections, where most Americans were genuine incompetant morons.

668 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:23am

re: #657 capitalist piglet

That's okay. It happens a lot! I thought changing my avatar would help, but nope! LOL (Maybe I look like a dude.)

It looks female to me.

669 Silhouette  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:18:54am

re: #606 brookly red

bayer makes cipro

To this day, I have a hard time forgiving Bayer for the company's role in the Holocaust.

670 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:30am

re: #666 albusteve

ah I don't think so...no

Yay!

671 nikis-knight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:32am

re: #573 quickjustice

Personally, I'd buy some real estate or commodities to hedge against inflation. (Buying low always is a good thing). Gold isn't as good an investment. It'll appreciate as against inflation, but won't give you any investment "lift" beyond that.

Just, uh, keep it to real estate you can actually afford, okay? ;)

672 brookly red  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:40am

re: #662 SummerSong

You are assuming that all investors have 20 years to wait.

ahhh, that is where the health care part comes in.

673 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:46am

re: #657 capitalist piglet

That's okay. It happens a lot! I thought changing my avatar would help, but nope! LOL (Maybe I look like a dude.)

Oops. I should have noticed. Hey, did I mention I'm old, with really bad eyesight?

674 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:48am

re: #654 SFGoth

Maybe if he hadn't started the whole rush to mortgage the future.... He DID support that stupid plan last Fall, remember? Of course, when was the last (or only) time Bush refused to spend Gov't $? Oh right, stem cell research. (Though I agree with it) that was *such* a tough call to make.... But he sure spent on everything that his buddy Teddy wanted.

Yet Congress sure didn't show any fiscal restraint, Ds AND Rs, in any of the bloated bills they sent for Bush's signature. So you just want to blame Bush for the mess?

675 tackle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:48am

Down 350.

676 SummerSong  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:19:53am

I'm just trading the volatility. Swing trades. Range trades.

677 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:20:19am

The do- gooders may have provided us with an out, after all.
There's been a policy for some time which relocates wild mustangs from overpopulated herds to willing ranches throughout the West for boarding at a handsome daily fee to the ranchers.
Much valuable grazing land is now feeding useless nags instead of cattle, but here's the out- we can sell these horses to France and gain some serious Euros. There are millions to be made!

678 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:14am

I strongly suggest reading this from Glenn Beck.

The Nine Principles

1. America is good.

2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.

3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.

4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.

5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.

6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.

7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.

8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.

9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.


If you agree with this, click the link.

679 vxbush  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:40am

Well, I've had so much to do I haven't even been online until this afternoon. And this is the news I hear. Perhaps I should go drown myself in chocolate. At least it would be a tasty way to go.

680 brookly red  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:42am

re: #669 Silhouette

To this day, I have a hard time forgiving Bayer for the company's role in the Holocaust.

i don't think any of the origanal cast are still there, but i get your point.

681 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:44am

re: #676 SummerSong

I'm just trading the volatility. Swing trades. Range trades.

Short the big debtors - they are going to take it in the shorts along with the federal government. I'm playing the inflation angle and investing in oil and a fund that returns double the inverse of the 30 year bond (RYJUX)

682 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:44am

re: #668 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It looks female to me.

Double-yay!

I used to have a cartoon pig that looked sort of masculine. Plus, I have a blunt way of communicating at times. I guess that's the source of the confusion.

683 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:44am

re: #576 republic

realwest, the Federal Govt would decide the cost/benefit of each diagnosis and plan of treatment.

If there is no real benefit, according to a govt bureaucracy, there will be no treatment.

Is there somewhere where this is spelled out in plain English? Be helpful if I had something/place to point people to.

684 nikis-knight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:21:59am

re: #607 Honorary Yooper

Yes, "New Deal or Raw Deal" by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. I read it, and found it to be most interesting and informative. BTW, did you know FDR used lucky numbers to figure how some of what he was going to do?


Kind of like "770 billion is a nice large sounding number"

685 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:03am

7,914 - it's like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.

686 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:04am

re: #676 SummerSong

I'm just trading the volatility. Swing trades. Range trades.

Right! I'm makin' a hundred here and there... and lovin' every minute of it.

687 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:08am

Can I opt out of stimulus?
I'll promise to only pay taxes on infrastructure I use. But will take care of my own health and retirement.

688 GCPSteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:14am

Pardon me if this has been asked already....
Does anyone know if the 50 million to the NEA is still included?
Tons of jobs that'll create.

/

689 Karagush  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:17am

re: #602 capitalist piglet

This just breaks my heart.

thanks man. the future is scary for me in so many ways. right now hes deployed to Iraq and i was happy. believe it or not i consider him SAFE in Anbar. but thrown into Afghanistan, his likely next tour, unsupported and underfunded with no clear plans ... my stomach flops over and i just have to remind myself hes a badass who can take care of himself.

690 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:19am

re: #673 subsailor68

Oops. I should have noticed. Hey, did I mention I'm old, with really bad eyesight?

too late....SMACK!

691 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:25am

re: #673 subsailor68

Oops. I should have noticed. Hey, did I mention I'm old, with really bad eyesight?

Is that why they didn't let you stand top watches?
Binoculars in the crows nest?
*duck*

692 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:22:59am

My Friends (Channeling John McCain) , we are now in Oprahland.
Oprah launched this guy, & his glassy eyed supporters seem like people that would take marriage advice from her.
So what if she has never been married, she's Oprah damn it!

693 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:23:13am

re: #535 realwest

Oh yes, having everyone's medical records (with the probable exception of President Obama's medical records) in one Federally controlled data base does not bode well for the privacy rights of citizens.
My point was, however, that my privacy rights take second place to me and my mom's staying alive.

You have nothing if you don't have your health....

694 ichef  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:23:24am

On "Electronic Medical Records" ...
I take my Father in Law to a small VA Hospital several times a year and this is my observation of "government healthcare". The doctors at the VA spend 98% of their time on a computer. I have no idea what they are typing or if they are playing solitaire, I don't care. Patient care SUFFERS and I have no idea where these records go cause EVERYTIME we go in for a visit it's like we have NEVER been there, same questions, same waste of time. So I don't know where these "electronic medical records" that thousands of very expensive doctor man hours are used to produce but they don't seem to "stay" in the computers that produced them. So like everything else the government does it goes down a big black hole never to be seen again like our money.

695 Dianna  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:23:36am

re: #678 Ford_Prefect

Principle two doesn't apply to me.

696 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:23:51am

Evening Lizards. I am late to this thread.

I am so PISSED OFF that this comment may seem disjointed. I can not believe that this soft cock plan passed. Just look at the market, it loved it.

Fuck the RINO's that voted for this. My Great Grand Kids will be paying for this plan.

I am still returning to the US in May. But shit it has just been made harder.

FUCK FUCK FUCK, FUCKING SHIT HEADS.

697 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:23:59am

re: #673 subsailor68

Oops. I should have noticed. Hey, did I mention I'm old, with really bad eyesight?

No, but (totally OT, sorry) my best friend was on the U.S.S. Kittiwake, and every time I see your screen name I wonder if you're familiar with his ship.

698 Opinionated  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:15am

Geithner was supposed to be so indispensable that it didn't matter that he was a tax cheat.

The Street is unimpressed by the plan concocted by the indispensable man.

Three hundred and sixty points unimpressed.

699 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:18am

re: #691 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is that why they didn't let you stand top watches?
Binoculars in the crows nest?
*duck*

Well, they did, until the time I was on lookout when we smacked into a 67 VW bus parked on the pier.

700 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:19am

re: #657 capitalist piglet

That's okay. It happens a lot! I thought changing my avatar would help, but nope! LOL (Maybe I look like a dude.)

Your previous avatar did look like a dude, but no mistaking that your new one is a girl :)

701 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:27am

re: #462 quickjustice

Once the government is paying for your health care, your "privacy" rights in your health care information cease to exist as against the government paymasters except the fig leaf given you by the HIPAA regulations.

HIPAA is a joke. I request records all of the time via fax - total no no.

702 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:33am

re: #516 Killgore Trout
Killgore - with all due respects, as I've mentioned MANY TIMES, Bush spent money like it was water; but if you take out the funding of the Afgahn War, The Iraq War and Katrina, he wasn't so fiscally irresponsible.
But what concerns me the most is that the REPUBLICANS would never "federalize" health care the way the stealth health care provisions do in the bill just passed.
I'm glad you're glad it's passed Killgore. But this bill, as currently written and interpeted, will kill me and my mother. Thanks for your concern.

703 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:40am

re: #694 ichef

My doctor friend is huge oponent of EMR for the reasons you mentioned; too much time spent typing int he computer and too little time taking care of patients.

704 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:40am

re: #693 loppyd

You have nothing if you don't have your health....

yes, but wealth is better than health, for financial reasons. As Woody Allen pointed out, you can walk into any deli the world, and the fact that you've got great muscle tone, never catch a cold, and have a resting heart-rate of 40 won't get you a pound pastrami. Money will.

705 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:42am

re: #693 loppyd

You have nothing if you don't have your health....

And the government will get to determine what you get.

706 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:24:42am

re: #691 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is that why they didn't let you stand top watches?
Binoculars in the crows nest?
*duck*

Don't need good eyesight on a sub.... just sensitive feet.
Feet wet? BAD!

*duck and run*

707 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:02am

re: #696 Erik The Red

You just said what I feel.

708 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:06am

re: #629 scannit

Then you won't be donating. It's well-known that the RSCC will support incumbent GOP senators standing for re-election no matter what their records. That's because they can't persuade people to run for Senate if they thing the GOP will turn on them if they vote "incorrectly".

709 SummerSong  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:07am

re: #681 Jetpilot1101

Short the big debtors - they are going to take it in the shorts along with the federal government. I'm playing the inflation angle and investing in oil and a fund that returns double the inverse of the 30 year bond (RYJUX)

I have a margin account, but I haven't used it.

I'll look at RYJUX. Thanks. ENER is a good swing.

710 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:07am

re: #687 jcm

Can I opt out of stimulus?
I'll promise to only pay taxes on infrastructure I use. But will take care of my own health and retirement.

it would be a sweet deal if they cut you all your SS up front...I'd even leave the country as part of the deal

711 outsidephilly  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:12am

re: #639 soccerdad

I just sooo embarrassed to be from pennsylvania right now. A dem and a RINO...

The only thing that makes me feel better is that I emailed both the idiots ahead of the vote and expressed my wishes that they not vote for the package.

I. too, am extremely embarrassed . . . . , I've submitted my request to meet with Specter; I just want to speak with him, face to face.

Isn't it interesting that Senator Casey traveled to Coatesville, yesterday, and met with the residents and listen to their plight with all the recent arson fires. Yet, Mr. Specter hasn't shown his face (and Coatesville is only 55 minutes from his philly office & home)

712 BigAl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:15am

It is essential the GOP and the 'blue dogs' hold firm in Congress. If engineered correctly the GOP can make big gains in'10. I think Michael Steele is the right guy. No sense whining. There is work to do.

Market @ 7915. Obama is a huge mistake!

713 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:16am

And on the 22nd day, "0" created the "Spendulus".
And it wasn't good.
And the "0' said, "Now I am remaking America."
And our Forefathers shivered in their graves.
And the ghosts of Marx and Lenin rejoiced.
And my 401K again shrank towards nothingness.

714 BakaRanger  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:18am

Forget jobs:
Let's all sit on our rooftops and hold up crudely written cardboard signs that read "You Owe Us".

715 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:28am

re: #649 chicagodudewhotrades

i'm just jumping right into the middle of this thread, I apoligize if this question has already been asked. the vote was 61-37 with 1 vote not voting. that brings the total to 99. who didn't vote? plus that real-time election coverage on Israelycools site is well, pretty cool

Minnesota is still short one Senator.

716 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:39am

re: #416 gmsc

Here's how each Senator voted on the spendulus.

That looks like a July vote on FISA? Wrong link?

717 Bob Dillon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:46am

re: #616 republic

"Soiled Green"?

I think that was more on voluntary termination.

;-)

718 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:25:49am

re: #696 Erik The Red

Evening Lizards. I am late to this thread.

I am so PISSED OFF that this comment may seem disjointed. I can not believe that this soft cock plan passed. Just look at the market, it loved it.

Fuck the RINO's that voted for this. My Great Grand Kids will be paying for this plan.

I am still returning to the US in May. But shit it has just been made harder.

FUCK FUCK FUCK, FUCKING SHIT HEADS.

Quit holding back, tell us how you REALLY feel.

719 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:02am

re: #709 SummerSong

I have a margin account, but I haven't used it.

I'll look at RYJUX. Thanks. ENER is a good swing.

Yeah I rode ENER from 25 to 82 last year and I'm going to swing trade it this year.

720 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:23am

re: #685 Guanxi88

7,914 - it's like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.

We saw the switch thrown to lead the train over the cliff back in November.
Now we're watching the engineer hit the throttle instead of the brakes.
(However, in terms of the economy, that's reversed; they're hitting the brakes while letting the boiler explode)

721 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:30am

re: #697 capitalist piglet

No, but (totally OT, sorry) my best friend was on the U.S.S. Kittiwake, and every time I see your screen name I wonder if you're familiar with his ship.

Way cool! I've heard of it, but IIRC it operated out of the East Coast, and I was always a West Coast sailor (San Diego and Pearl Harbor).

722 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:33am

7907, folks, get ready!

723 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:42am

re: #710 albusteve

it would be a sweet deal if they cut you all your SS up front...I'd even leave the country as part of the deal

You'd get more return on the money in a damn CD.

724 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:43am

re: #707 loppyd

You just said what I feel.

That was mild. I type badly you do not want to hear me now.

725 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:45am

re: #704 Guanxi88

yes, but wealth is better than health, for financial reasons. As Woody Allen pointed out, you can walk into any deli the world, and the fact that you've got great muscle tone, never catch a cold, and have a resting heart-rate of 40 won't get you a pound pastrami. Money will.

And money will buy you health care - especially if this crap is allowed to happen.

Imagine the black market?

726 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:26:50am

re: #516 Killgore Trout

If the Republicans were in they'd be voting to waste the money in slightly different ways but the money would still be wasted. Partisans only get upset when the other side wastes money. Neither party has shown any financial responsibility. The bill might work or it might not. We'll have to wait and see but either way it's not the end of the world. Personally, I hope it works.

I closed on a home refinancing last friday.....kinda my own deafdog stimulus package! My point is that the economy will recover with or without this stimulus package.

Will this package spur the recover? Perhaps, but if it does, it will be at the cost of inflation. Even the CBO says that this package will crowd out financial markets from private companies.

727 Silhouette  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:01am

re: #649 chicagodudewhotrades

i'm just jumping right into the middle of this thread, I apoligize if this question has already been asked. the vote was 61-37 with 1 vote not voting. that brings the total to 99. who didn't vote? plus that real-time election coverage on Israelycools site is well, pretty cool

The Minnesota seat is still in contention, yes? Coleman took it to court, last I heard.

728 Opinionated  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:03am

They told me if I voted for McCain -who was clueless about the economy-the Market would go down.

I voted for McCain.

The Market is down.

729 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:06am

re: #704 Guanxi88

yes, but wealth is better than health, for financial reasons. As Woody Allen pointed out, you can walk into any deli the world, and the fact that you've got great muscle tone, never catch a cold, and have a resting heart-rate of 40 won't get you a pound pastrami. Money will.

That explains the guy on the corner holding the "Will Flex Quads for Food" sign.

730 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:15am

re: #695 Dianna

Hey Dianna, was the name of that author you said you were friends with Joshi?

731 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:19am

re: #689 Karagush

thanks man. the future is scary for me in so many ways. right now hes deployed to Iraq and i was happy. believe it or not i consider him SAFE in Anbar. but thrown into Afghanistan, his likely next tour, unsupported and underfunded with no clear plans ... my stomach flops over and i just have to remind myself hes a badass who can take care of himself.

I'll keep him in my prayers.

My father survived Iwo Jima, and odds were much worse in those days - hang on to your positive thoughts.

732 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:28am

re: #725 loppyd

And money will buy you health care - especially if this crap is allowed to happen.

Imagine the black market?

If only I could find a way to position myself to jump in that direction!

733 BigAl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:28am

7907

734 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:38am

re: #695 Dianna

Principle two doesn't apply to me.

Did you read the article? It actually states that if you agree with 7 of the 9 then they ask that you contact them. They want a picture, but I am sure if you are not comfortable with that then just hearing from you would be good. And if you want tell them which principles you agree with.

735 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:42am

re: #715 OldLineTexan

okay. thanks

736 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:56am

re: #685 Guanxi88

7,914 - it's like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.

And you're sitting in one of the passenger cars, totally helpless to stop it.

737 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:27:58am

re: #702 realwest

But what concerns me the most is that the REPUBLICANS would never "federalize" health care the way the stealth health care provisions do in the bill just passed.
I'm glad you're glad it's passed Killgore. But this bill, as currently written and interpeted, will kill me and my mother. Thanks for your concern.


Bush "Federalized" the banks. I have little doubt he would have gone further and Republicans would have gone along with it.
I'm not happy it passed. I'm pretty agnostic on this because I don't understand economics very well. I'm just saying that I hope it works and the country recovers soon.

738 vxbush  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:11am

re: #703 Jetpilot1101

My doctor friend is huge oponent of EMR for the reasons you mentioned; too much time spent typing int he computer and too little time taking care of patients.

I've seen how long it takes to fill out most of these forms. Almost all are horribly designed and require tons of rework to implement the requirements the doctors send down to try and make them more usable. It has potential, but the security issues are horrific.

739 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:12am

re: #706 jcm

Don't need good eyesight on a sub.... just sensitive feet.
Feet wet? BAD!

*duck and run*

Sharing bunk with a sea kitten BAD, BAD, BAD...on a sub...

740 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:40am

re: #664 SFGoth

It's a two-edged sword. As another commentator pointed out, the "behemoths" were able to acquire other failing financial institutions, averting much worse economic damage, because of the repeal of Glass Steagle.

741 SFGoth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #674 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet Congress sure didn't show any fiscal restraint, Ds AND Rs, in any of the bloated bills they sent for Bush's signature. So you just want to blame Bush for the mess?

Bush made it OK to say that conservatives love to spend $ too. (Yeah, go convince libs that Bush isn't conservative, until you're blue in the face.) Yes, I blame Bush. He refused to hold the line and actually pushed it hard. I don't want to blame *just* Bush, but certainly include him. Now, while you're castigating me, why don't you defend him? Go ahead, this oughta be entertaining.

742 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:44am

re: #727 Silhouette

The Minnesota seat is still in contention, yes? Coleman took it to court, last I heard.

And his case looks pretty good, actually.

743 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:28:55am

As pissed as I am at the three turncoat excuses for Republicans who voted for this mess, I would like to say thank you to the following senators:

NAYs ---37
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)

744 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:29:17am

When does the free gas and mortgage start? I need mine.

745 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:29:19am

re: #578 UberInfidel67

Now we need you to rework the lyrics of "Godzilla" to "Porkzilla".

/I forget who sang Godzilla : /

If you're looking for a monster to represent all this wasteful spending, here's one suggestion:

746 bombarafat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:29:39am

Why doesn't Specter just swap parties already?

747 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:29:41am

re: #706 jcm

Don't need good eyesight on a sub.... just sensitive feet.
Feet wet? BAD!

*duck and run*

LOL! That should have been Day 1, Lesson 1 in sub school.

748 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:03am

re: #732 Guanxi88

If only I could find a way to position myself to jump in that direction!

Ultrasound tech or MRI tech may be the way to go....we could set up an exclusive private clinic - cash only.

749 Amer-I-Can  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:03am

re: #634 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, let's play the "Blame Bush" game! It will never get old, it seems.

LOL, BDS will never get old... it is in their genetic fiber now. I figure that President Bush is a wide shouldered scape goat for about... oh, four years or so? Then we can move on to the next adventure.

OTO, OTO, OTO

750 Windhorse  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:06am

7899

751 Dianna  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:12am

re: #730 turn

Hey Dianna, was the name of that author you said you were friends with Joshi?

John Ringo?

752 SummerSong  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:35am

re: #719 Jetpilot1101

Yeah I rode ENER from 25 to 82 last year and I'm going to swing trade it this year.

I have my original position in ENER @19....the rest is swinging. :)

Good luck to us.

753 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:56am

re: #701 loppyd

HIPAA is a joke. I request records all of the time via fax - total no no.

My doctor's office is computerized. They have laptops in the examining room, with wired network connections. So far, good.
The nurses make sure they're logged out or locked the workstation when they leave. Also good. The doctor does not. If I were unscrupulous, I'd have quite a bit of access.
That is, except for the last visit, right after an ice storm, when their network wasn't working and they couldn't access the records, set up appointments, etc. (That's what they get for using the cable TV company for networking. I do hope the actual data is encrypted or over a VPN; I'd hate to think anyone on the same cable segment can read the data.)

754 Dianna  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:30:57am

re: #734 Ford_Prefect

I'll give it a whirl, then.

755 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:31:06am

re: #709 SummerSong

I have a margin account, but I haven't used it.

I'll look at RYJUX. Thanks. ENER is a good swing.

I mistyped - it isn't double the inverse, just the inverse. I'm looking at a few funds right now and they are double but not this one, it's just the inverse.

756 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:31:19am

re: #751 Dianna

John Ringo?

"Why, Johnny Ringo... you look like someone just walked over your grave."

757 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:31:43am

re: #746 bombarafat

Why doesn't Specter just swap parties already?

that's exactly what M Steele should ask him...and the others...I hope the blowback takes them all down...I hate the feds

758 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:13am

7886 and plummeting

759 Windhorse  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:23am

is Arlen Specter stil perming his hair?

760 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:25am

re: #726 DeafDog


Will this package spur the recover? Perhaps, but if it does, it will be at the cost of inflation.


Last I heard inflation risk was pretty low but you might be right....
Gold rises on doubts about government plans

Also helping gold move higher was speculation that the $800 billion-plus U.S. stimulus plan may boost inflation in the longer term, increasing the metal's appeal as a hedge against rising prices.

761 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:28am

I'm just trying to stay "zen" about the whole damn thing, for the moment.

762 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:30am

re: #755 Jetpilot1101

I mistyped - it isn't double the inverse, just the inverse. I'm looking at a few funds right now and they are double but not this one, it's just the inverse.

OHHHH. Inverse. All my funds are Reverse. I see ...

/

763 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:34am

re: #756 Occasional Reader

"Why, Johnny Ringo... you look like someone just walked over your grave."

You're no daisy.

764 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:42am

re: #741 SFGoth

Bush made it OK to say that conservatives love to spend $ too. (Yeah, go convince libs that Bush isn't conservative, until you're blue in the face.) Yes, I blame Bush. He refused to hold the line and actually pushed it hard. I don't want to blame *just* Bush, but certainly include him. Now, while you're castigating me, why don't you defend him? Go ahead, this oughta be entertaining.

You obviously have mistaken me for someone else if you think I am inclined in any way, shape, or form to defend Bush on his fiscal orgy.

765 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:32:56am

re: #753 Kosh's Shadow

My doctor's office is computerized. They have laptops in the examining room, with wired network connections. So far, good.
The nurses make sure they're logged out or locked the workstation when they leave. Also good. The doctor does not. If I were unscrupulous, I'd have quite a bit of access.
That is, except for the last visit, right after an ice storm, when their network wasn't working and they couldn't access the records, set up appointments, etc. (That's what they get for using the cable TV company for networking. I do hope the actual data is encrypted or over a VPN; I'd hate to think anyone on the same cable segment can read the data.)

My doctor also uses laptops in the exam room, orders my Rx right from there which is very cool.

VPN or not, that doesn't prevent someone in the government with access from leaking your records if it suits them.

766 KibbyKat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:02am

re: #757 albusteve

that's exactly what M Steele should ask him...and the others...I hope the blowback takes them all down...I hate the feds

Fingers crossed Steele can get us back on course.

767 tackle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:06am

re: #761 Occasional Reader

I'm just trying to stay "zen" about the whole damn thing, for the moment.

I can't find my inner chi anywhere. Damn.

768 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:13am

re: #747 subsailor68

LOL! That should have been Day 1, Lesson 1 in sub school.

When people found out that I didn't like the sea and didn't like swimming in it, they couldn't understand how I served in submarines. I'd always tell them that as a submariner, the last thing I want is to be "swimming in the sea" (I've since changed my ways and love going to the beach and taking a dip).

769 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:15am

re: #751 Dianna

John Ringo?

You're friends with John Ringo? Please pass along that I thought "The Last Centurion" was absolutely terrific!

770 SummerSong  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:18am

re: #755 Jetpilot1101

I mistyped - it isn't double the inverse, just the inverse. I'm looking at a few funds right now and they are double but not this one, it's just the inverse.

Got'cha. Thanks

771 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:26am

It's dipped below 7,900!

772 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:30am

re: #758 ArchangelMichael

7886 and plummeting

Like a paralyzed falcon.

773 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:32am

re: #756 Occasional Reader

"Why, Johnny Ringo... you look like someone just walked over your grave."

I would never publicaly admit I like Tombstone, but I love Kilmer as Doc Holiday.

774 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:33:54am

re: #696 Erik The Red

Evening Lizards. I am late to this thread.

I am so PISSED OFF that this comment may seem disjointed. I can not believe that this soft cock plan passed. Just look at the market, it loved it.

Fuck the RINO's that voted for this. My Great Grand Kids will be paying for this plan.

I am still returning to the US in May. But shit it has just been made harder.

FUCK FUCK FUCK, FUCKING SHIT HEADS.


Erik Kartman! WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!
/Mr. Garrison

775 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:04am

re: #763 NYCHardhat

You're no daisy.

But are ya my huckleberry?

776 turn  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:12am

re: #751 Dianna

John Ringo?

That was it, sorry. OR made some weird reference to cthulhu in a post to you the other day. I researched that and found out it was a reference to H.P. Lovecraft, which I assumed you were a big fan of. The big Lovecraft expert is Joshi, I thought that might be the connection. That is all ...

777 SFGoth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:21am

re: #764 FurryOldGuyJeans

You obviously have mistaken me for someone else if you think I am inclined in any way, shape, or form to defend Bush on his fiscal orgy.

Glad to make that mistake -- well, I mean, glad it was called out.
May there never be another president related to George Prescott Bush.

778 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:26am

re: #773 Creeping Eruption

I would never publicaly admit I like Tombstone,

Why not? It was a very well-done Western.

779 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:26am

re: #554 rw in san diego
Hi rw! Well I've done all I can do. I e-mailed over 50 people last night and made the same comment on three different threads out here last night, all about the stealth health care portions of this bill.
Either enough folks feel the way Killgore does, or couldn't find the time to write e-mails or make phone calls or for that matter even comment on my comments out here for my efforts to have any effect.
Somebody else wants to be out front on this, good for them and I'll support them. They could start by trying to find out who the "Blue Dog Democrats" are and getting their e-mail addys, at least, and pubishing them out here (or rather a link to those e-mail addys since Charles doesn't want e-mails posted out here). But other than that, I'm done.
And unless the conference committee changes some of the health care portions of this bill, I'm really finished.

780 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:33am

DOW down 367 points. Good job 44. 5% in one day. That's the way to lead. Carry on. Deliver not onto evil but into the pit of the abyss.

My mind is all over the place most of the time. Now it is fried.

FUCK YOU 44 for the worst sell off this year.

YOU OWN THIS not GWB.

781 Dianna  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:35am

re: #756 Occasional Reader

"Why, Johnny Ringo... you look like someone just walked over your grave."

"That's all right - I have two guns. I will shoot you both."

782 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:38am

re: #766 KibbyKat

Fingers crossed Steele can get us back on course.

yes but the GOP needs a course first

783 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:39am

Well, this dreaded project isn't going to start itself.

Have a good afternoon, Lizard Nation.

784 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:44am

re: #764 FurryOldGuyJeans

You obviously have mistaken me for someone else if you think I am inclined in any way, shape, or form to defend Bush on his fiscal orgy.

Jonah Goldberg put it best - Bush spent money like a monkey in a crack experiment.

785 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:34:45am

re: #738 vxbush

My brother, a physician, is completing his conversion of his office records to electronic versions. It's taken a year, and was a huge amount of work, but it has made his job easier, particularly the billing, e-prescribing, and work-at-home features. He thinks the technology can reduce errors and improve patient safety. He doesn't send his patients' medical records to the government for review, however, for privacy reasons.

Obama's health care system will mandate that he divulge his patients' medical information to the government.

786 nikis-knight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:17am

re: #687 jcm

Can I opt out of stimulus?
I'll promise to only pay taxes on infrastructure I use. But will take care of my own health and retirement.

Sure. In New Zealand.

Capitalism in a Small Country [Peter Robinson]


Communism, as Boris Yeltsin famously declared, should have been tried in a small country first. Now a trial run in a small country has started to look like the best hope for capitalism.

Enter New Zealand.

Sir Roger Douglas, a prominent figure in the ACT Party, the party of traditional liberalism, has just proposed a sublimely simple new plan. Any New Zealander who agreed to provide for his own health insurance and retirement would receive his first $30,000 in income tax-free. And every dollar after that would be taxed at the flat rate of just 15 percent.

Michael Steele, book a flight to Wellington.

787 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:18am

re: #778 Occasional Reader

Why not? It was a very well-done Western.

Kurt Russel

788 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:27am

re: #746 bombarafat

Why doesn't Specter just swap parties already?

He did once before, in the 1960s. He used to be a Democrat. His political views never changed, at any rate.

789 Silhouette  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:30am

re: #742 Spiny Norman

And his case looks pretty good, actually.

I'm still worried. Just like it isn't the vote that counts, but the person that counts the vote that counts, it isn't always the person with the law and the facts on their side. In the meantime, I'll be optimistically pessimistic. :-

790 NYCHardhat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:34am

re: #775 subsailor68

But are ya my huckleberry?

500? Must be a... peach of a hand.

791 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:36am

re: #757 albusteve

that's exactly what M Steele should ask him...and the others...I hope the blowback takes them all down...I hate the feds

As I understand it, Specter used to be a Democrat & switched to run for a particular seat.

792 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:43am

re: #773 Creeping Eruption

I would never publicaly admit I like Tombstone, but I love Kilmer as Doc Holiday.

that was a cool movie....another was 'Wild Bill'....with Jeff Bridges

793 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:35:59am

re: #783 loppyd

Well, this dreaded project isn't going to start itself.

Have a good afternoon, Lizard Nation.

Is your Unicorn broken?

794 Dianna  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:09am

re: #769 subsailor68

You're friends with John Ringo? Please pass along that I thought "The Last Centurion" was absolutely terrific!

I'll be happy to.

I hear he's thinking about maybe doing another novel in the same universe. How does that grab you?

I like the idea, even if I did feel he wouldn't have gotten TLC through if he were a first-time author.

795 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:11am

re: #773 Creeping Eruption

I would never publicaly admit I like Tombstone,

As far a frozen pizza goes, its pretty good.
/

796 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:22am

re: #701 loppyd

HIPAA is a joke. I request records all of the time via fax - total no no.

That's pretty scary. Medical ID theft is becoming more of a problem all the time.

797 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:41am

re: #792 albusteve

that was a cool movie....another was 'Wild Bill'....with Jeff Bridges

I have a soft spot in my heart for Judge Roy Bean. Over the top? Yeah. But two words:

Paul Newman

798 loppyd  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:42am

re: #793 Creeping Eruption

Is your Unicorn broken?

LOL

I didn't vote for Barry so I don't get a unicorn....

Really gone now.

Latah Tatahs!

799 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:46am

re: #784 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Jonah Goldberg put it best - Bush spent money like a monkey in a crack experiment.

Yet Bush couldn't have been so willing to spend if Congress hadn't kept sending him pork bills ad infinitum.

800 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:36:47am
801 Dianna  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:07am

re: #776 turn

That was it, sorry. OR made some weird reference to cthulhu in a post to you the other day. I researched that and found out it was a reference to H.P. Lovecraft, which I assumed you were a big fan of. The big Lovecraft expert is Joshi, I thought that might be the connection. That is all ...

I love the Cthulu mythos.

802 SFGoth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:21am

re: #780 Erik The Red

DOW down 367 points. Good job 44. 5% in one day. That's the way to lead. Carry on. Deliver not onto evil but into the pit of the abyss.

My mind is all over the place most of the time. Now it is fried.

FUCK YOU 44 for the worst sell off this year.

YOU OWN THIS not GWB.

He shares ownership with Bush. Bush birthed it; Obama's the adopted father.

803 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:29am

re: #791 opnion

As I understand it, Specter used to be a Democrat & switched to run for a particular seat.

a whore

804 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:33am

re: #682 capitalist piglet

Double-yay!

I used to have a cartoon pig that looked sort of masculine. Plus, I have a blunt way of communicating at times. I guess that's the source of the confusion.

definitely female, and that's from another old guy with fadeing eyes....

805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:35am

re: #787 Creeping Eruption

Kurt Russel

A very under-rated actor, IMHO. He should have gotten an Oscar nom for Miracle.

806 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:44am

re: #775 subsailor68

But are ya my huckleberry?

The apple of my eye.

807 right_wing2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:48am

WASS

We Are So Screwed

808 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:49am

re: #681 Jetpilot1101

Short the big debtors - they are going to take it in the shorts along with the federal government. I'm playing the inflation angle and investing in oil and a fund that returns double the inverse of the 30 year bond (RYJUX)

Been working SSO and, right now, SDS - dumped DIG & SLB, yesterday, to hop on DUG. Actually thinking of going completely cash(loath the thought) and moving into Lol's bunker. Market+Obummer is just too freaky...it too many ways, all of which not.good.

809 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:37:52am

re: #576 republic
"realwest, the Federal Govt would decide the cost/benefit of each diagnosis and plan of treatment.

If there is no real benefit, according to a govt bureaucracy, there will be no treatment."

I'm going on 64 and have what is possibly incurable cancer. My mom is 84 and a diabetic. I understand all of that quite well.
Thank you.

810 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:00am

re: #787 Creeping Eruption

Kurt Russel

Nothing wrong with Kurt Russell (except for The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes and a few others). Of course, as you noted, Kilmer stole the show.

811 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:12am

Oh and the *best* part of all of this... none of my Obamunist Hopenchange Kool-aid drinking friends are paying any attention at all to what is going on and are still in "party mode" ala the South Park episode.

Emperor Zero fiddled while America Burned.

Maybe they will wake up when they start getting laid off...

812 Karagush  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:16am

re: #731 capitalist piglet

I'll keep him in my prayers.

My father survived Iwo Jima, and odds were much worse in those days - hang on to your positive thoughts.

thank you for your prayers. that means alot to me. Today i am still in my jammies, no heart to get dressed, and im crying. My healthcare is gonna get scary, and i feel like the world didnt get made any safer today.

I liked the world we had. I liked our country. I didnt think it needed to be re-made.

I am terrified by that man who doesnt respect or love his servicemen. I truly believe he hates and fears them. Just like he feels about capitalism, and letting us make our own choices. Im scared. So scared.

like realwest this healthcare stuff is very bad news to me.

813 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:22am

re: #655 subsailor68

Yeah, but he was a heck of a baseball manager.

(Just teasing...I know you just hit the "n" instead of the "a")

Wooops

814 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:33am

re: #789 Silhouette

I'm still worried. Just like it isn't the vote that counts, but the person that counts the vote that counts, it isn't always the person with the law and the facts on their side. In the meantime, I'll be optimistically pessimistic. :-

Another thing: even should he prevail, there is some very real doubt that the Democrats would allow him to take his seat.

815 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:38:41am

re: #797 subsailor68

I have a soft spot in my heart for Judge Roy Bean. Over the top? Yeah. But two words:

Paul Newman

that is an absolute classic....much to enjoy there...all kinds of fun

816 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:39:19am

re: #794 Dianna

I'll be happy to.

I hear he's thinking about maybe doing another novel in the same universe. How does that grab you?

I like the idea, even if I did feel he wouldn't have gotten TLC through if he were a first-time author.

That grabs me just fine. You're probably right about the first-time author issue, but I'm sure glad it made it through the gauntlet. Picked it up, got about ten pages in, and just couldn't put it down.

At first I thought it would make a great movie, but with some of the quality mini's being produced (mainly on cable nets I grant you), it would be a wonderful miniseries.

817 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:39:23am

re: #805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

A very under-rated actor, IMHO. He should have gotten an Oscar nom for Miracle.

The way he handled his spoken lines in Soldier was absolutely Shakesperaean.

818 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:39:34am

re: #721 subsailor68

Way cool! I've heard of it, but IIRC it operated out of the East Coast, and I was always a West Coast sailor (San Diego and Pearl Harbor).

I'd have to ask him to be 100% sure, but I think he was out of Norfolk so that would be correct. They used to tangle with Greenpeace - good stories, there. (You're the lucky one!)

819 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:39:38am

re: #750 Windhorse

7899

And DOWn we go. Where it stops, I have no fricking idea.

820 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:40:04am

re: #810 Occasional Reader

Nothing wrong with Kurt Russell (except for The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes and a few others). Of course, as you noted, Kilmer stole the show.

He was a caveman in an episode of Gilligan's Island.

821 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:40:06am

re: #809 realwest

Obama to Realwest: I have no use for you any longer...

He has no shame.

822 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:40:15am

re: #786 nikis-knight

That sounds like a plan!

823 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:40:23am

7898 and jittering.

824 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:02am

re: #819 Honorary Yooper

And DOWn we go. Where it stops, I have no fricking idea.

I think that the Dow & the post numbers on this thread will match up pretty soon.

825 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:03am

re: #820 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He was a caveman in an episode of Gilligan's Island.

Wouldn't he have been more like a caveboy?

826 Cygnus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:10am

Bye, Lizards. Keep your frills up.

827 quickjustice  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:14am

My favorite Western remains High Noon.

828 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:14am

re: #815 albusteve

that is an absolute classic....much to enjoy there...all kinds of fun

Yep, tons of fun. Stacey Keach as Bad Bob comes to mind. Makes me smile just to think of it.

829 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:18am

7908.15 -362.72 (-4.39%) Feb 10 2:40pm ET

Dow voting on Stimulus.

830 redc1c4  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:39am

re: #694 ichef

On "Electronic Medical Records" ...
I take my Father in Law to a small VA Hospital several times a year and this is my observation of "government healthcare". The doctors at the VA spend 98% of their time on a computer. I have no idea what they are typing or if they are playing solitaire, I don't care. Patient care SUFFERS and I have no idea where these records go cause EVERYTIME we go in for a visit it's like we have NEVER been there, same questions, same waste of time. So I don't know where these "electronic medical records" that thousands of very expensive doctor man hours are used to produce but they don't seem to "stay" in the computers that produced them. So like everything else the government does it goes down a big black hole never to be seen again like our money.

more likely they are required to refill the info every time, to make sure the info is accurate....... good idea, bad execution. POE is a good way to avoid many medication errors and to reduce time trying to get the doc to clarify something they didn't get right the first time.

831 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:41:47am

re: #817 Occasional Reader

The way he handled his spoken lines in Soldier was absolutely Shakesperaean.

Funny that, I was thinking the same about Tango and Cash. /

832 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:02am

re: #717 Bobibutu

I think that was more on voluntary termination.

;-)


As bloviated by Obama and Daschle.

;-D

833 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:02am

re: #820 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He was a caveman in an episode of Gilligan's Island.

Disneyesqu....where he came up from

834 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:05am

re: #817 Occasional Reader

Shakesperaean

Or however you people spell it in your oppressive White Man's English.

835 rw in san diego  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:32am

re: #779 realwest

Do you have access to those parts of the stimulus that deal with medical care? I emailed many friends and family today with a link to the article in your email. I would hope that if this information could be verified with links to the actual bill that Charles would consider a thread devoted to the health care implications of this fiasco?

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

836 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:39am

re: #760 Killgore Trout

When inflation picks up, it will happen in a hurry.

837 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:43am

re: #701 loppyd

HIPAA is a joke. I request records all of the time via fax - total no no.

Really? My office has gotten nailed five time for various violations. I swore next time I caught a violator in my office I was going to publicly beat him/her to death with their office router.

(Our main violator is perfectly aware that I know who they are, and doesn't care)

838 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:47am

re: #817 Occasional Reader

The way he handled his spoken lines in Soldier was absolutely Shakesperaean.

Never saw it, so I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but rent Miracle. He's excellent as Coach Brooks.

839 FortunateSon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:50am

You have no idea how excited the prospect of paying this off excites me as a college student. Maybe I'll work my way up towards Treasury Secretary, so I can at least dodge the tax burden.

840 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:51am

re: #711 outsidephilly

Isn't it interesting that Senator Casey traveled to Coatesville, yesterday, and met with the residents and listen to their plight with all the recent arson fires. Yet, Mr. Specter hasn't shown his face (and Coatesville is only 55 minutes from his philly office & home)

Specter can't make it because of his planned trip to Kentucky with Obama.

841 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:42:59am

Last time the Dow was below 7,900? Valentine's Day 2003.

842 Johnnyreb  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:43:03am

re: #694 ichef

On "Electronic Medical Records" ...
I take my Father in Law to a small VA Hospital several times a year and this is my observation of "government healthcare". The doctors at the VA spend 98% of their time on a computer. I have no idea what they are typing or if they are playing solitaire, I don't care. Patient care SUFFERS and I have no idea where these records go cause EVERYTIME we go in for a visit it's like we have NEVER been there, same questions, same waste of time. So I don't know where these "electronic medical records" that thousands of very expensive doctor man hours are used to produce but they don't seem to "stay" in the computers that produced them. So like everything else the government does it goes down a big black hole never to be seen again like our money.

I have a small disability rating from the VA for my knees. I absolutely refuse to go there and see them for anything I can avoid. I dont even go to get any pain meds from them.

The VA health care system is a nightmare and that is what any completely run government health care system will become.

843 SummerSong  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:43:24am

Only things up in my port today are water, gold, and solar...

844 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:43:55am

re: #834 Occasional Reader

Or however you people spell it in your oppressive White Man's English.

Since the English language wasn't standardized in Shakespeare's time, you're not really misspelling his name.

845 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:43:58am

re: #838 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Never saw it, so I'm assuming you're being sarcastic

Yep... IIRC he has no spoken lines in the entire movie. (Not his fault, of course.)

846 realwest  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:44:03am

re: #640 FurryOldGuyJeans
No, the Republicans fought two wars and dealt with Katrina and Obama has already surpassed that spending (assuming this bill goes through without significant change).

847 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:44:14am

re: #828 subsailor68

Yep, tons of fun. Stacey Keach as Bad Bob comes to mind. Makes me smile just to think of it.

guzzling that boiling coffee....then a big ass hole in him you could see though!...Lily Langtree....actually Bean was a real life myth and some of the movie was definately based on fact

848 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:44:31am

re: #771 gmsc

It's dipped below 7,900!


The stimulus limbo?

849 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:03am

re: #848 DeafDog

The stimulus limbo?

Or the "stimbo" for short.

850 Picayune  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:04am

re: #780 Erik The Red

as gold continues to climb. Now up $22.90, overnight.

851 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:07am

re: #778 Occasional Reader

Why not? It was a very well-done Western.

With a lot of great one-liners...

852 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:44am

re: #819 Honorary Yooper

And DOWn we go. Where it stops, I have no fricking idea.

The hooves on the Unicorn, go clop, clop, clop...!

853 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:44am
854 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:49am

re: #839 FortunateSon

You have no idea how excited the prospect of paying this off excites me as a college student.

Bright side; you'll get your revenge by droping off your elders on ice floes, as part of the Federal ElderCare Program.

855 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:58am

re: #809 realwest

real - where do I find this in plain English? I've been off-line since Saturday -
{realwest}

856 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:45:59am

re: #842 Johnnyreb

I have a small disability rating from the VA for my knees. I absolutely refuse to go there and see them for anything I can avoid. I dont even go to get any pain meds from them.

The VA health care system is a nightmare and that is what any completely run government health care system will become.

Have you ever seen this movie?

Article 99

Great cast.

857 nikis-knight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:46:11am

re: #819 Honorary Yooper

And DOWn we go. Where it stops, I have no fricking idea.

I need to put in a standing order to buy infinity of everything if it hits zero.

858 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:46:27am

re: #765 loppyd

My doctor also uses laptops in the exam room, orders my Rx right from there which is very cool.

VPN or not, that doesn't prevent someone in the government with access from leaking your records if it suits them.

Yes, I also had to wait for prescriptions until their network came back.
The VPN protects against hackers, though; if they're on a cable TV network connection, they'd better use one, because anyone on the same cable segment can see their traffic, if they want to. (Takes special software that is readily available; wireshark would do; connect the computer to the cable modem and put the Ethernet card in promiscuous mode, and you can read everyone's traffic.) DSL uses a dedicated circuit to the central office, so it is more secure.
Of course, we know how well the government keeps secrets. I'm sure all of Rush's medical records would be all over the place with the current administration.

859 Johnnyreb  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:46:34am

re: #763 NYCHardhat

You're no daisy.

"I'll be your huckleberry."

860 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:46:38am

re: #844 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Since the English language wasn't standardized in Shakespeare's time, you're not really misspelling his name.

Shakespeare stole all his work from Muslims, anyway.

861 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:46:45am

re: #854 Occasional Reader

Bright side; you'll get your revenge by droping off your elders on ice floes, as part of the Federal ElderCare Program.

Or, for those in sunnier climes, the "leader out" festival; there's always the traditional Limey "smother party."

862 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:47:31am

re: #850 Picayune

as gold continues to climb. Now up $22.90, overnight.

No surprise there. The only way the Obamessiah can fund Porkzilla is to print more dollars. Inflation is fun, welcome to the 1970s.

863 soxfan4life  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:47:48am

Who is going to buy the bonds to finance this? And what currency will they be paid in when they come due? Are we looking at going from Euro's to Worldo's?

864 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:47:56am

re: #841 gmsc

Last time the Dow was below 7,900? Valentine's Day 2003.

The DJIA closed at 7552.20 on Nov 8 2008

865 jamgarr  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:47:58am

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence

866 Johnnyreb  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:48:21am

re: #856 subsailor68

Have you ever seen this movie?

Article 99

Great cast.


Seen it and a good movie. And pretty much true also.

867 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:48:43am

re: #847 albusteve

guzzling that boiling coffee....then a big ass hole in him you could see though!...Lily Langtree....actually Bean was a real life myth and some of the movie was definately based on fact

Oh yeah! Here's kind of a neat little bio on him:

Judge Roy Bean

868 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:48:45am

re: #860 Occasional Reader

Shakespeare stole all his work from Muslims, anyway.

Twelfth Night was originally Twelfth Imam, The Merry Wives of Windsor was The Many Wives of Wazir, etc.

869 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:48:54am

re: #801 Dianna

I love the Cthulu mythos.

How do you like Obamathotep, with Soros as one of the Ancient Gods, running the country?

870 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:48:58am

re: #863 soxfan4life

Who is going to buy the bonds to finance this?

Nobody.

Fire up the printing presses!

871 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:07am
872 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:10am

re: #860 Occasional Reader

Shakespeare stole all his work from Muslims, anyway.

Liar! Shakespeare was a muslim: [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

873 tfc3rid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:12am

CBS News reports that the IRNA has asked for an interview with Obama...

Change You Can Believe In!

874 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #868 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Twelfth Night was originally Twelfth Imam, The Merry Wives of Windsor was The Many Wives of Wazir, etc.

And don't forget Much Abu About Nothing.

875 mattm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:47am

Damn you Collions, Snowe and Spector. I can't wait to see you kicked out of office.

876 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:47am

re: #864 ArchangelMichael

The DJIA closed at 7552.20 on Nov 8 20 2008

Fixed... got my 20s and 08s flipped

877 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:49:59am

re: #863 soxfan4life

Who is going to buy the bonds to finance this? And what currency will they be paid in when they come due? Are we looking at going from Euro's to Worldo's?


That is the great question. Those who up to now have been buying our debt might begin to demand a higher rate of return to compensate for the inflation risk an investment inour country now entails

878 Rednek  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:50:05am

And lo, on the the 21st day of the One's Ascension, the wise elders of the land brought forth a sausage. And its name was:

A bill making supplemental appropriations for job preservation and creation, infrastructure investment, energy efficiency and science, assistance to the unemployed, and State and local fiscal stabilization, for fiscal year ending September 30, 2009, and for other purposes.

And the One saw it was good. And the people rejoiced.

879 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:50:09am

re: #873 tfc3rid

CBS News reports that the IRNA has asked for an interview with Obama...

Change You Can Believe In!

Geezm CBS, can't you even spell Iran correctly?
;)

880 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:50:25am

re: #874 Occasional Reader

And don't forget Much Abu About Nothing.

Or Kouri-al-Anus?

881 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:50:27am

re: #864 ArchangelMichael

The DJIA closed at 7552.20 on Nov 8 2008

Let's see - was there any bad news that day?

882 jamgarr  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:50:55am

al Hamlet Mullah of Denmark

883 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:01am

re: #864 ArchangelMichael

The DJIA closed at 7552.20 on Nov 8 2008

re: #876 ArchangelMichael

Fixed... got my 20s and 08s flipped

Thanks for the correction. Updinged on both.

884 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:10am

re: #802 SFGoth

He shares ownership with Bush. Bush birthed it; Obama's the adopted father.

Sorry so late replying I was bumped off twice trying to reply.

The DEMS OWN THIS. They were warned in 2006 that the housing market was going to go bust. Barney and congress just wanted to give everyone a house. FTC.(Fuck The Consequences) We are now fucked.

885 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:28am

re: #805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

A very under-rated actor, IMHO. He should have gotten an Oscar nom for Miracle.

He nailed the Snake Plissken role, too.

886 Picayune  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:32am

re: #862 Spiny Norman

70's you wish. Depending on how bad this fails, we're probably headed for pre-WWII Germany rates. Invest in wheelbarrows and crying towels - and gold/silver.

887 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:33am

re: #841 gmsc

Last time the Dow was below 7,900? Valentine's Day 2003.

We had an intraday low 7449.38 - 11/21/08.

888 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:51:52am

re: #166 Cygnus

I received this in an email this morning - what perfect timing:

This year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment. This is a very exciting new program that I will explain using the Q
and A format:
Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A. It is money that the Federal government will send
to taxpayers in an attempt to boost our economy .

Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. Only a smidgen.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to
purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China?
A. Shut up.

Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the US economy by spending your stimulus check wisely:

If you spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.

If you spend it on gasoline, it will go to the oil rich countries... not us.

If you purchase a computer, it will go to India .

If you purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala (unless you buy organic).

If you buy a car, it will go to Japan.

If you purchase useless crap, it will go to Taiwan.

And none of it will help the American economy.

We need to keep that money here in America . You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball
games, or spending it on beer (domestic ONLY) or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US.

.

The trouble with that sensibility is... it's simplistic, and incorrect. Anything you buy here in the US, even if it IS something made overseas, still has a good part of that money going to Americans.

You go to WalMart, buy a product that's made in China... and, yeah, some of that money goes to China, but not near 100% of it: Sure, the actual (fairly small) cost in China to make the item, and then ship it from the factory there to the seaport, plus maybe the price of it on the ship from there to the USA (depends on who owns the ship, actually), but once it GETS to the seaport in the USA, at that point the rest of the money goes to Americans: Those that ship the item from the American seaport to one or more of WalMart's warehouses, and then from there to the different WalMarts. And, of course, a good part of that money goes then to WalMart itself... which is an American company. It is run here, it is BASED here, and the owners all LIVE here. And also, that money goes to the employees of WalMart, who spend it locally. So, a fraction of the money goes to China, or wherever, but the majority of it still goes to the USA.

The same principle applies to gasoline (a good part of the money you spend goes to the local gas station and its employees, and then to the companies (truckdrivers and stuff) IN America that BRING the gas TO that gas station), computers (particularly if you buy the computer at a local mom-and-pop type store, but it also applies if you buy it from CompUSA or... well... WalMart), fruits and vegetables (you're supporting the grocery store, too, remember, and all THEIR domestic shipping companies), and even automobiles (remember: even some Japanese cars are manufactured RIGHT HERE IN THE USA for domestic sale, employing AMERICANS, and... oh yeah... they don't cave to, or have, unions, those same blooming, obstructionist and moneygrubbing unions that largely support, and are supported by, the Democrat party), and other "useless crap."

So yeah, spending money ANYwhere -- except maybe in cases where stuff you order is being drop-shipped DIRECTLY from China TO your door FROM the company you're ordering from (say, a website in China) -- WILL help the American economy.

889 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:52:04am

7905 as of just now. Nice work, Barry!

890 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:52:19am

Also according to Google Finance the DJIA 52-week low (probably an intra-day low since I couldn't find it on the chart) was 7449.38

So bad as it may be, we didn't blow out the lows. Whoever mentioned support at 7400-ish might be correct.

891 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:52:21am

re: #867 subsailor68

Oh yeah! Here's kind of a neat little bio on him:

Judge Roy Bean

there he is!...thanks for that...I'm a bit into western lore

892 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:52:31am

re: #867 subsailor68

Oh yeah! Here's kind of a neat little bio on him:

Judge Roy Bean

Hang 'em first, try 'em later.
Roy Bean

893 gmsc  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:53:02am

re: #887 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

We had an intraday low 7449.38 - 11/21/08.

In addition to Archangel's closing corrections, this is also good to know. Thanks.

894 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:53:35am

re: #886 Picayune

70's you wish. Depending on how bad this fails, we're probably headed for pre-WWII Germany rates. Invest in wheelbarrows and crying towels - and gold/silver.

The 11-12% annual inflation rates of the late 1970s will certainly seem like Germany in the early 1930s...

895 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:53:37am

people who are turned away from proper medical care are likely to become victim of black market medicine and treatment.
there is so much room for fraud and abuse here.
serious unintended consequences from O's health care plan.
because most people won't be content to just die for the convenience of the state.

896 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:53:50am

re: #841 gmsc

Last time the Dow was below 7,900? Valentine's Day 2003.

Six years of gains gone like the turkey the Bumpuses dogs took out the back door.

897 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:54:11am

re: #888 NomadOfNorad

The trouble with that sensibility is... it's simplistic, and incorrect. Anything you buy here in the US, even if it IS something made overseas, still has a good part of that money going to Americans.

I saw the breakdown of this on a "Made in China" iPod a year or so ago; I don't recall the exact numbers, but it was pretty astonishing how little of the iPod purchaser's dollars went to China.

898 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:54:16am

We've become a nation of fools, idiots, and the lazy.

Prost!

899 jamgarr  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:54:29am

Merchant of Vengeance

900 Erik The Red  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:54:43am

How can the US have a tax cheat making monetary policy?

Makes me feel at home in Africa.

901 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:54:53am

re: #892 Dustyvet

Hang 'em first, try 'em later.
Roy Bean

Well, with old Roy we wouldn't have that pesky Gitmo problem.

;-)

902 Killer Tomato  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:55:47am

re: #855 Killer Tomato

real - where do I find this in plain English? I've been off-line since Saturday -
{realwest}

Nevermind - its in that Bloomberg article.

903 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:55:53am

re: #899 jamgarr

Merchant of Vengeance

They'd love that one in particular!

904 Rednek  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:57:08am

re: #895 nyc redneck

people who are turned away from proper medical care are likely to become victim of black market medicine and treatment.
there is so much room for fraud and abuse here.
serious unintended consequences from O's health care plan.
because most people won't be content to just die for the convenience of the state.

Not just here, but around the world. Where are all the rich and famous going to go to get around their socialized paradises now that the US will is about to sink into the same morass of long waits and DMV-like medicine?

905 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:57:29am

re: #900 Erik The Red

How can the US have a tax cheat making monetary policy?

Makes me feel at home in Africa.

Obama said he wanted to bring us closer to the rest of the world, didn't he?

906 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:57:51am

As I Say You'll Like It
Allah's Well That Ends Well
Comedy of Terrors

907 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:59:17am

re: #890 ArchangelMichael

Also according to Google Finance the DJIA 52-week low (probably an intra-day low since I couldn't find it on the chart) was 7449.38

So bad as it may be, we didn't blow out the lows. Whoever mentioned support at 7400-ish might be correct.

For that support to hold it'd sure be nice if Obummer would shut-his-flippin-pie-hole - the Sob may have already made this 'GIMME MY MONEY' a self-fulfilled - but still very real - catastrophe.

908 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #888 NomadOfNorad

I think you kinda missed the point, which was that the USA manufacturing base is no more.

909 Picayune  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:59:35am

re: #894 Spiny Norman

Yep, and unfortunately, malaise economics (thanks Jimmah) aren't the only things these days that remind one of Germany in the '30s.

910 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 11:59:39am

re: #901 subsailor68

Well, with old Roy we wouldn't have that pesky Gitmo problem.

;-)

"Hear ye! Hear ye! This honorable court is now in session, and if anybody wants a snort before we start, step up to the bar and name your poison."

Judge Roy Bean

911 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:00:08pm

re: #860 Occasional Reader

Shakespeare stole all his work from Muslims, anyway.

Yes, it's a surprise that his play Infidel On The Roof didn't have more success.

912 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:00:47pm

re: #905 Occasional Reader

Obama said he wanted to bring us closer to the rest of the world, didn't he?

Next up ... malaria!

913 doppelganglander  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:01:11pm

re: #868 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Twelfth Night was originally Twelfth Imam, The Merry Wives of Windsor was The Many Wives of Wazir, etc.

And "Rahim and Yulia" ended with an honor killing.

914 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:01:13pm

re: #911 OldLineTexan

Yes, it's a surprise that his play Infidel On The Roof didn't have more success.

Suddenly Last Sura was pretty good.

915 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:01:32pm

re: #892 Dustyvet

re: #867 subsailor68

Oh yeah! Here's kind of a neat little bio on him:

Judge Roy Bean

Hang 'em first, try 'em later.
Roy Bean

Interestingly:

In his book "Judge Roy Bean Country," Jack Skiles says that although Bean threatened to hang hundreds, "there's no evidence to suggest that Judge Roy Bean ever hung anybody."
916 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:01:53pm

re: #912 OldLineTexan

Next up ... malaria!

Bill Gates is on it.

917 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:13pm

re: #914 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Suddenly Last Sura was pretty good.

Yep, and I kinda liked Butt Stop too.

918 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:14pm

Now this is, er, odd.

I popped over to Wiki to look up something on Shakespeare's Sonnets, to try to cobble together some Shakespearean Islamist Sonnet puns.

And I find this sentence, which I quote verbatim:

The only edition of "penis penis penis" sonnets published in Shakespeare's lifetime, the 1609 Quarto, is dedicated to one "Mr. W.H.". The reality, identity and age of this person remain a mystery and have caused a great deal of speculation.

Erm... alrighty, then.

919 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:15pm

re: #911 OldLineTexan

Yes, it's a surprise that his play Infidel On The Roof didn't have more success.

"If I where a bomber, boomie, boomie, boomie, boom...!"

920 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:35pm

re: #915 Spiny Norman

In his book "Judge Roy Bean Country," Jack Skiles says that although Bean threatened to hang hundreds, "there's no evidence to suggest that Judge Roy Bean ever hung anybody."

Nope - they were all shot! ;)

921 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:41pm

re: #911 OldLineTexan

Yes, it's a surprise that his play Infidel On The Roof didn't have more success.

What about Muslim Abu Got Nothing?

922 J.S.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:02:49pm

I've heard that the stock market is doing a slide thanks (not only to the stimulus bill) to Geithner's little talk about another bank bailout (to the tune of maybe 2 trillion)...then, when everyone was waiting to hear about his "plan" -- he walked away, saying (more or less) "i'll get back to you." Markets don't like uncertainty...(another bozo move by an inexperienced Obama pick)....

923 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:07pm

re: #860 Occasional Reader

I thought it was from Klingons not Muslims...

"You have never experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon."

924 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:08pm

re: #888 NomadOfNorad

Gas stations make very little on gas; hence the ubiquitous beer and cigarette stands posing as stores.

925 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:14pm

re: #919 Dustyvet

"If I where a bomber, boomie, boomie, boomie, boom...!"

Oh look, there goes my monitor and keyboard. Stupid soda!

926 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:47pm

re: #916 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Bill Gates is on it.

I would have kicked his ass right there.

927 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:53pm

re: #920 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Nope - they were all shot! ;)

Are you from Maine? Maine joke:

"Didja know Lincoln was tall?"

"Nope. He was shot."

928 Dianna  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:53pm

re: #892 Dustyvet

Hang 'em first, try 'em later.
Roy Bean

Judge Parker's scarier.

Yeah but right now Lord with my back to the wall
Can't help but recall
How they nearly hung me for stealin' a horse
in Fort Smith Arkansas

Judge Parker said guilty and the gavel came down
just like a cannon shot
And I went away quietly
and I began to file and plot

Well they sent the preacher down to my cell
He said the Lord is your only hope
He's the only friend that you gonna have
When you hit the end of Parker's rope

Well I guess he coulda' kept on preachin' 'till Christmas
but he turned his back on me
I put a home made blade to that golden throat
and asked the deputy for the key

929 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:03:59pm

re: #912 OldLineTexan

re: #905 Occasional Reader

Obama said he wanted to bring us closer to the rest of the world, didn't he?

Next up ... malaria!

Might as well, we've already got tuberculosis back...

930 JHW  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:04:00pm

CNN just said " A real president taking real questions from real people.....that's change." As opposed to taking questions from unreal people I suppose. What a bunch of shills.

931 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:04:10pm

re: #915 Spiny Norman

In his book "Judge Roy Bean Country," Jack Skiles says that although Bean threatened to hang hundreds, "there's no evidence to suggest that Judge Roy Bean ever hung anybody."

Jack Skiles needs a better editor. It's "hanged", not "hung".

932 Kaymad  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:04:12pm

re: #689 Karagush

thanks man. the future is scary for me in so many ways. right now hes deployed to Iraq and i was happy. believe it or not i consider him SAFE in Anbar. but thrown into Afghanistan, his likely next tour, unsupported and underfunded with no clear plans ... my stomach flops over and i just have to remind myself hes a badass who can take care of himself.

I know what you are going through. My husband was over there for a year as a soldier, retired from the military, than went over as a contractor during the height of the insurgency, than was back after the surge took affect. What a difference! I see Afghanistan going the way of Somolia if Obama doesn't listen to his Generals and I'm afraid his company is going to come into some Afghanistan contracts and he will be asked to go.

933 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:04:21pm

re: #918 Occasional Reader

Now this is, er, odd.

I popped over to Wiki to look up something on Shakespeare's Sonnets, to try to cobble together some Shakespearean Islamist Sonnet puns.

And I find this sentence, which I quote verbatim:
The only edition of "penis penis penis" sonnets published in Shakespeare's lifetime, the 1609 Quarto, is dedicated to one "Mr. W.H.". The reality, identity and age of this person remain a mystery and have caused a great deal of speculation.
Erm... alrighty, then.

Not that I'm a Shakespearean scholar, but I know a thing or two about English Lit & that's the first I've heard of that. Ah, the joys of an encyclopedia that anyone can edit!

934 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:04pm

re: #931 Occasional Reader

Jack Skiles needs a better editor. It's "hanged", not "hung".

Coulda been both I suppose.

;-)

935 SFGoth  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:26pm

re: #884 Erik The Red

Sorry so late replying I was bumped off twice trying to reply.

The DEMS OWN THIS. They were warned in 2006 that the housing market was going to go bust. Barney and congress just wanted to give everyone a house. FTC.(Fuck The Consequences) We are now fucked.

That's why we have a president, to take the lead on big issues. WTF was the Decider doing? Oh, he was enjoying the phony high too. Leave aside any press conference he would have given would have been painful to hear, but he at least could've planted a seed of "hold on a moment". Then he wouldn't bear the initial blame.

936 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:31pm

re: #930 JHW

CNN just said " A real president taking real questions from real people.....that's change." As opposed to taking questions from unreal people I suppose. What a bunch of shills.

Sort of reminds me of the 5 o'clock follies...You know where...:)

937 hazzyday  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:34pm

Reid: 10-1-08
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., raised eyebrows at a press
conference Wednesday when he said a member of his party caucus had talked about a major insurance company being on the verge of bankruptcy. At the time, Reid referred to the company as "one with a name that everyone knows."

Schumer: 6-27-08
The collapse of Indymac bank, the second largest bank failure in American history, began with a letter from the office of Senator Charles Schumer on June 27.


Franks: 9-24-08

Obama and the Alinsky Method.

938 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:50pm

re: #931 Occasional Reader

It's "hanged", not "hung".

That's what she said.

939 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:05:57pm

re: #929 Spiny Norman

Might as well, we've already got tuberculosis back...

Yes, but that's being imported by poor people who are only looking for work.

And free health care.

And CHIP.

And food stamps.

And maybe an anchor baby or six.

940 Gmac  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:06:11pm

We're boned.

941 JHW  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:06:36pm

re: #936 Dustyvet

Yep, I'm afraid we're going to get follies around the clock this time.

942 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:06:47pm

re: #938 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's what she said.

You should write a "penis penis penis" sonnet about it.

943 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:07:01pm

re: #940 Gmac

We're boned.

I'm thinking of getting a tattoo of Bender saying that.

944 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:08:14pm

re: #821 tfc3rid

Obama to Realwest: I have no use for you any longer...

He has no shame.

Democrats are the party of death, at both ends of the spectrum.

They also are becoming the death of freedom and liberty.

945 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:08:43pm

re: #935 SFGoth

That's why we have a president, to take the lead on big issues. WTF was the Decider doing? Oh, he was enjoying the phony high too. Leave aside any press conference he would have given would have been painful to hear, but he at least could've planted a seed of "hold on a moment". Then he wouldn't bear the initial blame.

I disagree wholeheartedly.

The American public has been dumbed down to the point that they believed the President to be Caesar, well before Bush. But BDS has magnified the problem. To hate Bush properly, he can have no human infirmities and must be all-powerful.

Now Caesar is a god as well.

946 HippieforLife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:08:50pm

Just read that the O admin is going to delay the off-shore drilling.

Apparently they need more time to think about it. They have already had 40 freakin years!

For the life of me I just cannot figure out why they are such in a big hurry to get rid of any Bush policies. The O goes on and on about lowering our dependence on foreign oil but apparently is too much of a wuss to actually do anything toward making that happen

947 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:09:39pm

re: #946 HippieforLife

Just read that the O admin is going to delay the off-shore drilling.

Apparently they need more time to think about it. They have already had 40 freakin years!

For the life of me I just cannot figure out why they are such in a big hurry to get rid of any Bush policies. The O goes on and on about lowering our dependence on foreign oil but apparently is too much of a wuss to actually do anything toward making that happen

Because Bush is bad, mkay?

/SP

948 republic  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:09:58pm

re: #852 Dustyvet

The hooves on the Unicorn, go clop, clop, clop...!


Unicorns are quiet in fields of cotton candy.

:D

949 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:10:09pm

re: #943 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm thinking of getting a tattoo of Bender saying that.

Oh cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones, it bones for thee. -B.B.R.

950 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:10:33pm

re: #946 HippieforLife

Just read that the O admin is going to delay the off-shore drilling.

Apparently they need more time to think about it. They have already had 40 freakin years!

For the life of me I just cannot figure out why they are such in a big hurry to get rid of any Bush policies. The O goes on and on about lowering our dependence on foreign oil but apparently is too much of a wuss to actually do anything toward making that happen

We are going to let the Chinese and Cubans have it.

None of the oil, and all of the enviro-disasters.

Yay.

951 HippieforLife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:10:38pm

re: #947 acwgusa

Oh, how could I have forgotten! /

952 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:11:17pm

re: #949 Guanxi88

Oh cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones, it bones for thee. -B.B.R.

Bender Bending Rodriguez.

A robot truly before his time.

953 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:11:24pm

re: #918 Occasional Reader

Update:

The truth about Shakespeare's "penis penis penis" sonnets has already been ruthlessly suppressed at Wikipedia.

954 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:11:30pm

re: #941 JHW

Yep, I'm afraid we're going to get follies around the clock this time.

Yup..."We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

955 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:11:40pm

re: #951 HippieforLife

Oh, how could I have forgotten! /

Once we get hauled off to the Obama Detention and Re-Education Center, comrade, you'll never forget again.

956 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:11:57pm

re: #952 OldLineTexan

Bender Bending Rodriguez.

A robot truly before his time.

Yes, his series was killed centuries before he was ever assembled.

957 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:12:32pm

re: #948 republic

Unicorns are quiet in fields of cotton candy.

:D

Snapping fingers...damn I forgot...

958 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:13:20pm

re: #956 Guanxi88

Yes, his series was killed centuries before he was ever assembled.

I understand his head is buried somewhere near Roswell, NM.

959 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:14:13pm

re: #908 DeafDog

I think you kinda missed the point, which was that the USA manufacturing base is no more.

There are still cars made here in the USA, including some Japanese models, f'rex. True, there aren't near as many US manufacturing plants as there used to be, but they DO still exist. Maybe not near as many as we'd like, but they do exist.

But, you're forgetting: The USA is now very much a SERVICE economy: that is, most of the money made (and there is a lot there) is generated by the services of... say... selling stuff, shipping stuff, feeding you (such as when you go to McD's for a burger instead of making a burger yourself and then having to clean up after making that burger), helping you in your every day tasks (such as when you go to the income-tax broker guys to do your income tax for you, or you have your car fixed, or you get your teeth cleaned, your dog groomed, your carpet installed...), and so on.

True, I'd LOVE there to be a lot more actual factories and stuff here in the USA... but I'm not losing any sleep over the lack thereof, either.

960 HippieforLife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:14:21pm

re: #955 acwgusa

That is just too close to the truth. LOL!

961 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:14:46pm

Well, guess I'll go see what's on Darwin's mind.

962 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:15:01pm

re: #958 OldLineTexan

I understand his head is buried somewhere near Roswell, NM.

Yes, I'd heard that, too. On of my favorite Bender moments was when he went grave-robbing with Fry (the five-leaf clover) and, as he passed the honor guard at the gate, he snapped a salute and hit his head with the shovel.

963 nikis-knight  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:15:36pm

re: #946 HippieforLife

Just read that the O admin is going to delay the off-shore drilling.

Apparently they need more time to think about it. They have already had 40 freakin years!

For the life of me I just cannot figure out why they are such in a big hurry to get rid of any Bush policies. The O goes on and on about lowering our dependence on foreign oil but apparently is too much of a wuss to actually do anything toward making that happen


But those years don't count; the One wasn't personally looking into it.

964 JHW  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:16:11pm

re: #954 Dustyvet

Yup..."We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

Ha, sounds just like what the Dems have planned for the good ol' USA. BTW, I found out that quote came from the "trustworthy" Peter Arnett, at Ben Tre, at an operation of the 4/39 during Tet. i wonder how long he'd been saving that made up quote in his head to use against us. No one could ever find the officer he supposedly quoted.

965 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:17:33pm
966 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:20:59pm

re: #964 JHW

Ha, sounds just like what the Dems have planned for the good ol' USA. BTW, I found out that quote came from the "trustworthy" Peter Arnett, at Ben Tre, at an operation of the 4/39 during Tet. i wonder how long he'd been saving that made up quote in his head to use against us. No one could ever find the officer he supposedly quoted.

You might want to check this out

[Link: www.newseum.org...]

967 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:21:59pm
968 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:22:02pm

re: #924 OldLineTexan

Gas stations make very little on gas; hence the ubiquitous beer and cigarette stands posing as stores.

Okay, you're right... the gas station wasn't a very good example. On the other hand, it still goes to the tanker truck drivers that get the gas there, and to the various other parts of the gas and oil company that exists here in the USA involved in getting that gas and oil FROM the border TO the gas stations, and to all the parts of that system that actually involve processing and making the various mixes of gasoline made for the various regions of the USA, and so on and so on.

969 JHW  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:23:25pm

re: #966 Dustyvet

Hey thanks Dusty, bookmarked, Joe Galloway is one of the good guys.

970 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:24:46pm

re: #969 JHW

Hey thanks Dusty, bookmarked, Joe Galloway is one of the good guys.

Yup he is...:)

971 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:24:58pm
972 OldLineTexan  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:25:56pm

re: #968 NomadOfNorad

Okay, you're right... the gas station wasn't a very good example. On the other hand, it still goes to the tanker truck drivers that get the gas there, and to the various other parts of the gas and oil company that exists here in the USA involved in getting that gas and oil FROM the border TO the gas stations, and to all the parts of that system that actually involve processing and making the various mixes of gasoline made for the various regions of the USA, and so on and so on.

Oh, I agree. Living on the gulf coast of Texas, I know what a refinery smells like when times are good.

They smell like money.

973 right_wing2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:26:28pm

re: #860 Occasional Reader

Shakespeare stole all his work from Muslims, anyway.

So Shakespeare was a Jooooo?

974 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:27:12pm
975 sandspur  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:28:41pm

re: #515 Guanxi88

Kools! I still can't get past the Kools!

It's not enough he's a charlatan of the first (and worst) water; it's not enough he's got a personality cult like nothing I can remember; it's not enough the guy is the absolute living embodiment (and apotheosis) of everything that's wrong with the educational, legal, and political system of the United States; it's not enough that he uses as a shield and a weapon the fact of his Muslim ancestry and connections, mention of which shall not be made by any except for him; it's not enough the guy can't be bothered to show up on time for anything, behaves like a bored, petulant child when he does, and thinks we're the better for living in the world with him.

No, he's gotta smoke Kools, doesn't he? He can't do even one decent, classy thing with his vices.

I'm just surprised he doesn't smoke galois (sp?) or some other euro-type cig

976 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:29:13pm

Schumer: The American People Don't Care About Pork Projects In Stimulus


977 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:30:31pm

re: #976 Dustyvet

Schumer: The American People Don't Care About Pork Projects In Stimulus

[Video]

* $2 billion earmark for FutureGen near zero emissions powerplant in Mattoon, IL
* $39 billion slush fund for “state fiscal stabilization” bailout
* $5.5 billion for making federal buildings “green” (including $448 million for DHS HQ)
* $200 million for workplace safety in USDA facilities
* $275 million for flood prevention
* $65 million for watershed rehabilitation
* $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges and libraries
* $650 million for the DTV transition coupon program
* $307 million for constructing NIST office buildings
* $1 billion for administrative costs and construction of NOAA office buildings
* $100 million for constructing U.S. Marshalls office buildings
* $300 million for constructing FBI office buildings
* $800 million for constructing Federal Prison System buildings and facilities
* $10 million to fight Mexican gunrunners
* $1.3 billion for NASA (including $450 million for “science” at NASA)
* $100 million to clean up sites used in early U.S. atomic energy program
* $10 million for urban canals
* $2 billion for manufacturing advanced batteries for hybrid cars
* $1.5 billion for carbon capture projects under sec. 703 of P.L. 110-140 (though section only authorizes $1 billion for five years)
* $300 million for hybrid and electric cars for federal employees
* $198 million to design and furnish the DHS headquarters
* $255 million for “priority procurements” at Coast Guard (polar ice breaker)
* $500 million for State and local fire stations
* $180 million for construction of Bureau of Land Management facilities
* $500 million for wildland fire management
* $110 million for construction for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
* $522 million for construction for the Bureau of Indian Affairs
* $650 million for abandoned mine sites
* $75 million for the Smithsonian Institution
* $1.2 billion for summer jobs for youth
* $412 million for CDC headquarters
* $500 million earmark for NIH facilities in Bethesda, MD
* $160 million for “volunteers” at the Corp. for National and Community Service
* $750 earmark for the National Computer Center in MD
* $224 million for International Boundary and Water Commission – U.S. and Mexico
* $850 million for Amtrak
* $100 million for lead paint hazard reduction

978 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:32:42pm

The FBI raided the offices of a defense lobbying firm with close ties to Democratic Rep. John Murtha (Penn.), sources tell ABC News.

The FBI searched the Virginia headquarters of the PMA Group in November, according to the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. PMA was founded by former Murtha aide Paul Magliochetti and specializes in winning earmarked taxpayer funds for its clients. …

PMA is the second company with close ties to Murtha to be raided by federal agents recently. In January, agents from the FBI, the IRS and the Defense Criminal Investigative Service searched the office of Kuchera Industries and Kuchera Defense Systems, as well as the homes of the firms’ founders. The companies reportedly have received over $100 million in earmarks, thanks to Murtha’s efforts.

979 JHW  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:33:47pm

re: #969 JHW

A bit more on Arnett and Ben Tre.
Ben Tre, the Quiet Town Where the Vietnam War Began

Peter Arnett....Whose Man in Baghdad? Mona Charen and B.G. Burkett (the guy who wrote "Stolen Valor", about phony Viet vets) take Arnett to task for his B.S. stories. Most people remember his crying about the "baby milk factory" during Desert Storm.

and Saving Ben Tre by a guy who was there, I was wrong it was 3/39, not 4/49.

980 marge45b  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:33:48pm

VIVA the Reagan Revolution!re: #971 Iron Fist

We have to buy guns, gold and silver coins. Hedge against inflation and protect what ever else we have left.

981 daledog  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:34:30pm

I see that Lieberman voted Yea. A-hole. Always has been.

982 right_wing2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:35:59pm

re: #977 Dustyvet

All that construction will stimulate the economy, 5 years down the road after this recession would have been over with even without all this bloated spending. But it'll provide jobs for people who are forced to join a union and lots of pretty buildings to bear the Obamessiah's blessed name.

983 right_wing2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:36:21pm

Do I really need a sarc tag on that last comment?

984 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:36:33pm

Course, on the subject of fewer and fewer factories and stuff in the USA... we ALL know whos policies it is that REALLY are driving the factories out of the country: the Democrats (and some misguided or cowed Republicans going along with it) that make laws and regulations and taxes and stuff that make it harder and harder, and more and more expensive, TO base factories here. And yet these same Demagogue-ocrats blather on and on about how its the GREED of these COMPANIES that is the real cause of the factories being moved out of the USA... and indeed want to PENALIZE these companies for DARING to move their factories out of the USA (which even further DRIVES those companies to move MORE factories out of the country...) Companies don't like hemoraghing money, particularly when that hemoraghing of money is entirely that which comes about out of purely political reasons and not ANYthing that in any way benefits society OR businesses but only benefits the career political figures.

985 Yashmak  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:38:20pm

re: #349 quickjustice

I'm not sure that's correct. This bill spends money over several years. Can't the next Congress, for example, affect that?

Given all the noise Obama has been making about how this is needed "right now", I doubt there will be much of the money left in 4 years. Hell, half the FIRST 700 billion has already been spent, and it's been all of 6 months?

If the next congress were any more fiscally responsible, a big if, and if there was any money left, an even bigger if, then yes, they could affect what was left.

I just don't think there's going to be anything left. Moreover, I doubt we'll even be able to look back and say with conviction "That stimulus package definitely helped".

Our economy is so big, and the credit/housing/etc crisis so severe, that even this stimulus fiasco is tantamount to trying to put out a forest fire with a bucket.

The markets know it, and are simply reacting accordingly.

986 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:39:08pm

re: #983 right_wing2

Do I really need a sarc tag on that last comment?

Nope! :D :D :D :D

987 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:40:34pm

re: #985 Yashmak

Given all the noise Obama has been making about how this is needed "right now", I doubt there will be much of the money left in 4 years. Hell, half the FIRST 700 billion has already been spent, and it's been all of 6 months?

If the next congress were any more fiscally responsible, a big if, and if there was any money left, an even bigger if, then yes, they could affect what was left.

I just don't think there's going to be anything left. Moreover, I doubt we'll even be able to look back and say with conviction "That stimulus package definitely helped".

Our economy is so big, and the credit/housing/etc crisis so severe, that even this stimulus fiasco is tantamount to trying to put out a forest fire with a bucket.

The markets know it, and are simply reacting accordingly.

Except that in this case, it'd be like trying to put out a forest fire with a bucket... of gasoline! :-%P%

988 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:40:52pm

re: #981 daledog

I see that Lieberman voted Yea. A-hole. Always has been.

Senator Lieberman has always been very liberal on domestic policy. He's "conservative" on foreign policy and defense.

989 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:41:59pm

President Franklin D. Roosevelt: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

President Barack H. Obama: 'Do what I want, or the economy will melt, and you'll all die poor and alone.'

990 JHW  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:46:49pm

re: #989 Dustyvet

What a contrast, and I'm reminded of Reagan's sunny optimism vs. Carter's whining and blaming the American people. I really get a sense of unease at all this gloom and doom, self-fulfilling prophesy? We've had harder times, I can remember one of my sergeants saying when I was going home, "no matter how hard it gets later in your life, it'll be gravy compared to this."

991 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:47:12pm

I'm surprised at how many folk I talk to have no idea what is included in this farce of a stimulus bill. I've encountered looks of shock and even insult when I call it for what it is: a pork bill. With the exception of a more conservative friend, I haven't told anyone else that I didn't cast my vote for Obama. As distrustful as I was, and still am of Palin and friends, there was a part of me that was equally distrustful of Obama. I'm glad I listened to my gut on this one.

992 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:48:32pm
993 Unakite  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:49:32pm

I just found this quote:

Geithner's speech "basically puts a spotlight on the fact that the government has no idea how to fix the problem," said Jeff Buetow, senior portfolio manager at Portfolio Management Consultants. "People bought on rumor and hope, and now they're selling on reality."

Hope and change vs. the real world.

994 Gray Skies  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 12:59:57pm

re: #394 loppyd

Your privacy concerns are justified. I worked for a staff model HMO (they own their own hospitals and medical clinics) for many years up until six months ago. There were multiple breaches of privacy. Employees, of course, received privacy law training and had to sign promise statements to maintain confidentiality, but all records were readily accessible to anyone who wanted to risk looking. At one point (many years ago) it was known that a high level very visible government official was receiving mental health therapy. My position required that I review medical records as part of my work. I saw multiple instances of someone else's information entered in another patient's file. My own records listed a diagnosis that I never had. It is a diagnosis that would negatively impact considersation for certain jobs. Additionally, incorrect medical information could have disastrous effects if someone is being treated in an emergent situation by an unfamiliar doctor who is accessing that someone's medical information in electronic system.

Because of what I saw, there is no way that I want my medical information in any national system.

995 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:03:34pm

RAPE!

996 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:07:00pm

Malaise
“And the money kept rolling in from every side
Eva’s pretty hands reached out and they reached wide
Now you may feel it should have been a voluntary cause
But that’s not the point my friends”

“When the money keeps rolling out you don’t keep books
You can tell you’ve done well by the happy grateful looks
Accountants only slow things down, figures get in the way
Never been a [President] loved as much as [Barack Obama]”

997 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:08:37pm

re: #16 ThinkRight

Rush just blamed the RINO repubs

There must be a righteous campaign to get rid of these idiots.

Specter
Collins
Snowe---
It's time to go.

998 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:10:10pm

re: #49 SlartyBartfast

Michelle Malkin has her typical cutting analysis...

(Check the video.)

Chuck Schumer (D) is a lying sack of shit - CORRUPT AND DECEPTIVE leftist ASSHOLE.

999 aggieann  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:11:00pm

re: #992 taxfreekiller

Al Gore,

Yo, an upper level "cold air mass" note:::COLD AIR MASS::: is now coming over Texas, its about to set off hail, tornadoes, heavy rain, 70 to 80 mph winds, and my water gaps will get the tilt once more.

Screw you, you no good commie liar.

If it gets here, it'll be our first rain since Hurricane Ike, Sept. 13.

1000 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:18:01pm

Opposing 'Stimulus' -- Hundreds of Economists Sign on to Cato Institute Ad


Castro Obama isn't listening.

1001 Emery Calame  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:20:42pm

I have a new "FEELING" about politics in general.
It is this:

Anyone who voted for the house or senate versions of the stimulus package DOES NOT GET IT and IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO. They have been in Washington too long to know what it is to help and serve the people of this country. They are delusional prisoners of some alternate universe where defending the border is criminal and property and civil rights are rearranged by a self selected and promoted elite to suit their whims and cherished fads. They are unjustly insulated from most of the horrific consequences of their mischief.

Anyone who voted for the TARP/Bailout package either the first or second time it was pulsed through the house of representatives DOES NOT GET IT and IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO INCREASE SPENDING AND TAXES IN THE FACE OF AN ECONOMY WHERE UNEMPLOYMENT IS RISING AND THE STOCK MARKET HAS HAD HALF OF ITS MONEY DRAGGED OUT OF IT BY TERRIFIED INVESTORS DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO AVOID EXPLOITATION OF LOCAL AND FOREIGN FOSSIL FUELS TO SUPPOSEDLY ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF VASTLY INFERIOR TECHNOLOGY IN THE HOPES OF A BREAKTHROUGH AMID TIGHTENING CREDIT RESTICTIONS DUE TO THE COLLAPSE OF A VASTLY OVERVALUED REAL ETSATE MARKET ENCOURAGED BY THE UNFUNDED FIAT OF A WELL MENANING BUT ECONOMICALLY CLUELESS GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO FORCE UNIONIZATION OR SILENCE RADIO SHOW HOSTS THROUGH HARRASSMENT DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.

ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT OLD PEOPLE SHOULD GIVE THEIR ACCESS TO MEDICINE TO YOUNGER PEOPLE OR WHO INSISTS THAT HOBBLING WHAT IS LEFT OF OUR ECEONOMY TO COUNTERACT THE UNESTABLISHED POSSIBILITY THAT MAN IS FATALLY HEATING THE PLANET DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO!

ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT WASHINGTON SHOULD ASK "THE WORLD" FOR PERMISSION TOP DO THINGS FIRST AND ITS OWN CITIZENS PERHAPS FIFTH (IF AT ALL) DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.

ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT DOING THIS WHOLE THING AGAIN ONLY WITH MORE RESTRICTIONS ON TRIVIAL (IF ANNOYING) CRAP LIKE CEO PAY PACKAGAES DOES NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.

WHEN THE STOCK MARKET CONTINUES TO DROP MASSIVELY WITH EVERY ANNOUNCEMENT OF EVERY IDIOCTIC POLICY FROM EVERY BABBLING CONE HEADED IDEA MAN WHO TRIES TO SELL US A PAIR OF SHACKLES WE CAN PROBABLY CONCLUDE THAT THESE IMBECILES AND POLYANNAS DO NOT GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.

I want people to consider vociferously campaigning against the reelection of anyone involved with the passage of this mess whether they call themselves a republican or democrat or anything else. This kind of #@#$ is simply not acceptable. I will vote for virtually anyone who runs of a platform of undoing this crap by almost any means.

It looks like the whole rule from the center to heal Americathing isn't going to happen. Neither is the transparency, the redemption, or the straight dealing, or the civility. It's time for you to grow up America.

THEY DON'T GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO. SEND THEM HOME AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY IN EVERY ELECTION BEFORE THEY PUT DOWN ROOTS AND REINVENT THEMSELVES AS SOMETHING YOU ARE NO LONGER AUTHORIZED TO REMOVE! THE JUDGES AND POLICE AND LAWS AREN'T GOING TO STOP THEM. THE PRESS AREN'T GOING TO REPORT ON THEM. IT IS UP TO YOU. THEY ARE BUILDING A THRONE. BEFORE THEY FINISH IT YOU MUST IMPEDED THEM AT EVERY TURN. THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE OUR LIVES BETTER. VOTE FOR YOUR LIFE, YOUR LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF WHAT YOU CALL HAPPINESS!

THEY DON'T GET IT. IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO!

1002 Picayune  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #993 Unakite

Sssssh - you'll let the cat out the bag!

1003 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:28:21pm

re: #1002 Picayune

Sssssh - you'll let the cat out the bag!

"You can't help that. We're all mad here." - The Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland

1004 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:29:21pm

Everything I know I learned from my cat: When you're hungry, eat. When you're tired, nap in a sunbeam. When you go to the vet's, pee on your owner. - Gary Smith

1005 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:29:33pm
1006 oh_dude  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:35:39pm

Do you trust your government?

Does your government trust you?

1007 ladycatnip  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:36:51pm

The Canadians get it on our spendulus bill before we even do. Apparently, according to the Canada Free Press, our compassionate One's intention is to ration healthcare to seniors:

Contained within the bill is the provision that doctors will now be forced to report any and all of their patient treatments to the federal government for approval to treat.

Also contained within this portion of Obama’s non-stimulus bill is the rationing of healthcare services to senior US citizens and the withholding of potentially life-saving measures. As Democrat Tom Daschle wrote in his book “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis” senior citizens “should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age.” Daschle does not appear to believe that senior citizens (apparently the government’s definition of “senior citizen” is not defined) that seniors should accept their inevitable deaths without complaining. That is, senior citizens who are not members of the elite ruling class. Daschle’s medical conditions, of course, would not be applicable to these provisions.

Being that I'm in the twilight of my 50's, what exactly is the gov's definition of senior?

If true, this is bad news.

1008 CalBear84  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:40:18pm

Commies and Free Markets just don't mix...

1009 ladycatnip  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:43:01pm

1001 Emery Calame

I have a new "FEELING" about politics in general.
It is this:

Anyone who voted for the house or senate versions of the stimulus package DOES NOT GET IT and IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO.

The O beat you to it - he intends to bring the census to the WH so he can gerrymander his peeps into perpetual office - before or after he does away with term limits for prez.

1010 Cymbaline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 1:53:21pm

re: #998 FrogMarch

Chuck Schumer (D) is a lying sack of shit - CORRUPT AND DECEPTIVE leftist ASSHOLE.

"Little, tiny, yes porky amendments." $60 billion dollars, and that's only what I added up from post #977!

THE WHOLE THING IS ONE GIANT PORKY AMENDMENT!

Calling this guy a Scumbag would be an insult to bags filled with scum.

1011 Bob Dillon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:00:16pm

re: #1001 Emery Calame

I have a new "FEELING" about politics in general.
It is this:

New? Just now having a bad day?

Well, Emery - your feelings have been duly noted. FYI - They could care less.

/

1012 Maui Girl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:26:46pm

Collins, Snowe and Specter - no re-election for you. Idiots.

1013 notutopia  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:41:28pm

Well, if this stimulus is supposed to be so encouraging, why is it that the DOW has fallen on it's ass in response to this victorious vote today!
Yeah, you're damned right Obama, it's going to be a long and hard recovery.....Congress has just ensured that for every one of us.

1014 Colonel Panik  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:45:10pm

re: #997 FrogMarch

There must be a righteous campaign to get rid of these idiots.

Specter
Collins
Snowe---
It's time to go.

Ted Nugent: It's time for open season on RINOs

1015 Emery Calame  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:54:24pm

re: #1011 Bobibutu

New? Just now having a bad day?

Well, Emery - your feelings have been duly noted. FYI - They could care less.

/

No, I'm not particularly new. Unless you consider circa late 2001 new. Just now having a bad day? What exactly do you base THAT on ?

FYI the point is that we should MAKE them care by sending them home where they can sketch utopias on graph paper where it doesn't hurt anybody. We should do it at each and every election that comes along until this big ball of dung is rolled right back to beetleland or wherever where it came from...

But hey, sorry if I'm cutting into your snark time or something.

1016 Sgt.Slappy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 2:58:38pm

re: #49 SlartyBartfast

Chattering classes... classes. Classes. Now, where have I heard some famous bearded dead guy go on and on about economic classes. Groucho? no... his mustache was painted on. Hmmm.

...and y'know, I wonder which chattering class 'ol Chuckie was talking about : the proletariat, the bourgeoisie or the petty bourgeoisie.

1017 ZK273  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:22:02pm

So this is how capitalism dies... by thunderous applause.

1018 Mel Lono  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:39:01pm
"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

from the Iron Lady herself.
Margaret Thatcher

1019 GT Charlie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:06:23pm

Landrieu (D) LA - Yea

Vitter (R) LA - Nay

I'm gonna remember that (as if I could forget Mary's performance during Katrina).

Charlie

1020 So What  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 12:55:39am

This POS called a stimulus package has so much pork in it, a Muslim wouldn't touch it....


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