Israeli Elections Too Close to Call, Fighting Over Results Starts

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The latest news from Israel’s elections: Both parties claim victory and race to form rival coalitions.

Both Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni’s Kadima party and Binyamin Netanyahu’s opposition Likud styled themselves the winners of Tuesday’s elections, after exit polls broadcast on the three television networks showed Kadima would be the largest party in the new Knesset, but the Likud-led right-wing would constitute the larger bloc.

The indecisive exit poll results, which also saw Israel Beiteinu rising to 14-15 seats and Labor slipping back to only 13, set the scene for numerous potential coalition scenarios.

Livni had argued earlier in the day that whoever headed the biggest party should be deemed to have “won the public’s trust” and should thus be charged with forming the next coalition. But Likud leaders were already working on Tuesday to construct a “blocking” majority that would deny her any such prospect.

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835 comments
1 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:36:16pm

How do you say "hanging chad" in Hebrew?

2 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:36:27pm

Did Livni really say that there was no humanitarian crisis in Gaza during the last war?

3 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:37:05pm

Is it true that in Israel exit polls don't factor in the IDF vote?

4 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:37:42pm

re: #2 MandyManners

Did Livni really say that there was no humanitarian crisis in Gaza during the last war?

You asked that earlier. I seem to remember something like that.

5 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:38:18pm

re: #3 bulwrk

Is it true that in Israel exit polls don't factor in the IDF vote?

I don't think so. But there are counted 100% in the final count

6 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:39:13pm

I don't know how to say it in Hebrew but here it is in French:

Le Tchad s'arrêtant

7 Bob Dillon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:39:59pm

Where is Jimmah when we really need him?

/

8 zombie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:40:19pm

This, my friends, is why I'm grateful the U.S. doesn't have one of these "parliamentary"-style governements. One always ends up with weak, muddling, bickering "centrist" governments composed of warring factions that never get anything decisive done.

Israel seems to be going down the same road as modern Italy, which always has these miserable impotent governments without a mandate.

9 Attaboid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:40:34pm

Medved just said the military vote is not counted in exit polls. On Hugh Hewitt.

10 Sizzlack  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:41:12pm

I heard on the news that Iran declared itself a 'super power' today. What they didn't finish quoting was that Mahmoud said 'super power ranger'. Red to be exact.

11 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:41:14pm

re: #5 Nevergiveup

I just heard that means the exit polls are really skewed because the military won't vote for the Kadima party

12 Shug  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:41:20pm

May the Best Man Win

13 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:41:24pm

Binyamin Netanyahu is Israel's best hope for the future of their country.

14 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:42:00pm

re: #8 zombie

This, my friends, is why I'm grateful

I agree, but you're starting to sound a little bit like McCain....

15 bosforus  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:42:11pm

...and Al Franken wins!

16 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:42:11pm
17 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:42:24pm

Is it true that Kadima is not as liberal as Labor but nowhere near as conservative as Likud?

18 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:42:36pm

re: #9 Attaboid

That's were I heard it.

19 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:42:36pm

re: #13 twincitiesgirl

Binyamin Netanyahu is Israel's best hope for the future of their country.

forgot the IMO

20 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:42:50pm

re: #11 bulwrk

I just heard that means the exit polls are really skewed because the military won't vote for the Kadima party

Not so sure about that. The Military in Israel is a real peoples Military and will to some extend mirror society in general. And remember many are still kids.

21 Timbre  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:42:52pm

תלוי צ 'אד = hanging chad (according to Google Translate.)

22 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:43:09pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Is it true that Kadima is not as liberal as Labor but nowhere near as conservative as Likud?

yes

23 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:43:12pm

Something of note: Michael Medved was on Hugh Hewitt and pointed out that IDF members are not permitted to answer questions of exit pollsters. So their votes are not part of these exit polls. Medved assumes they will have voted Likud for the most part.

24 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:43:19pm

re: #8 zombie

One always ends up with weak, muddling, bickering "centrist" governments composed of warring factions that never get anything decisive done.

You'll have to forgive me if today, of all days, I'm not feeling too happy about the decisive things my government gets done.

25 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:43:23pm
26 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:43:36pm

re: #16 buzzsawmonkey

They're all winners!

And all shall have prizes!

27 Bob Dillon  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:44:04pm

re: #8 zombie

Zom, we are, and have been, off course for so long that maybe it would have been a good thing.

/

28 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:45:05pm

I'm glad that in the US we almost always have clear electoral winners and losers. Even when we're not too happy which is which, at least which is which is rarely unclear (2000 was a rare anomaly).

29 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:45:18pm

re: #6 Jetpilot1101

I don't know how to say it in Hebrew but here it is in French:

Le Tchad s'arrêtant

That would refer to a hanging, central African country, I believe.

30 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:45:45pm

re: #23 karmic_inquisitor

Something of note: Michael Medved was on Hugh Hewitt and pointed out that IDF members are not permitted to answer questions of exit pollsters. So their votes are not part of these exit polls. Medved assumes they will have voted Likud for the most part.

I think Medved assumes wrong.

31 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:45:46pm

re: #29 Occasional Reader

That would refer to a hanging, central African country, I believe.

Best I could do with my Mac Translator.

32 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:46:20pm

re: #31 Jetpilot1101

Best I could do with my Mac Translator.

Mac's are racist?

33 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:46:28pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Is it true that Kadima is not as liberal as Labor but nowhere near as conservative as Likud?

That is about right, though some might argue that Kadima is MORE liberal, with currents peeps.

34 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:47:00pm

Is Livni as gutless as Olmert?

35 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:47:16pm

re: #34 MandyManners

Is Livni as gutless as Olmert?

Just less criminal.

36 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:47:18pm

re: #8 zombie

This, my friends, is why I'm grateful the U.S. doesn't have one of these "parliamentary"-style governements. One always ends up with weak, muddling, bickering "centrist" governments composed of warring factions that never get anything decisive done.

Israel seems to be going down the same road as modern Italy, which always has these miserable impotent governments without a mandate.

Israel has always had this fucked-up form of government. A small, narrow-interest party can capture enough votes to swing a government (in past years it was Shas, last election it was Pensioners, and now it is Yisrael Beitenu) and after they have wrecked an administration, grabbing whatever they can, they fade into oblivion.

Unfortunately Israel is not large enough for district representation, or maybe fortunately since many locations are dominated by this or that narrow-interest group.

37 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:47:50pm

re: #32 CyanSnowHawk

Mac's are racist?

I don't know, mine is white and to my knowledge didn't support Obama. Is it racist?

38 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:47:55pm

I have heard that Tzipy Livni is the daughter of Likud members.
Anyone know anything about that?

39 So?  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:47:57pm

I hope Netanyahu’ wins, if only for his promise, to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and technology.

40 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:48:13pm

re: #34 MandyManners

I think she will forcibly remove settlers from the West Bank.

41 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:48:24pm

re: #33 Wishing

That is about right, though some might argue that Kadima is MORE liberal, with currents peeps.

Kadima was in a sense a more centrist off shoot of Likud created as a vehicle for Ariel Sharon to do as he pleased. But when he passed from the scene, everything became muddled.

42 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:48:28pm

re: #8 zombie

This, my friends, is why I'm grateful the U.S. doesn't have one of these "parliamentary"-style governements. One always ends up with weak, muddling, bickering "centrist" governments composed of warring factions that never get anything decisive done.

Israel seems to be going down the same road as modern Italy, which always has these miserable impotent governments without a mandate.

At the moment I would love to have some Parliamentary road blocks to be able to throw in front of our rush to reassemble FDRs WPA -based economy.

(I agree with you Z - just expressing a little frustration with the O).

43 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:48:30pm

re: #1 Occasional Reader

How do you say "hanging chad" in Hebrew?

My guess is that nobody outside of the Land of the Bitching Democrat Lawyers Demanding Recount After Endless Recount Until They Win ever felt the need to come up with a specific name for that little piece of cardboard. So there's probably no word for it in Hebrew, or French.

As an American, this is one aspect of America that does not fill me with pride.

44 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:48:36pm

Her parents (livni) are/were complete Zionists, I forget the info now, but there is no doubt that she has shamed their name, at least in the eyes of other Zionists.

45 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:48:39pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Is it true that Kadima is not as liberal as Labor but nowhere near as conservative as Likud?

Kadima is made up of former Likud and Labor member, so it is somewhere in between the two ideologically.

Regarding the military vote, it is wrong to assume that there will be an overwhelming majority for Likud. As someone said, the IDF usually reflects the general consensus of the population.

A good site to follow the results online is here.

46 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:48:52pm

re: #38 opnion

I have heard that Tzipy Livni is the daughter of Likud members.
Anyone know anything about that?

I believe so

47 zombie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:48:57pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

I agree, but you're starting to sound a little bit like McCain....

OK, I'll rephrase that to excise any McCainisms:

The parliamentary system SUCKS!

48 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:49:16pm

re: #41 Nevergiveup

Kadima was in a sense a more centrist off shoot of Likud created as a vehicle for Ariel Sharon to do as he pleased. But when he passed from the scene, everything became muddled.

Agree, chaos has followed.

49 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:50:02pm

re: #46 Nevergiveup

I believe so

thanks

50 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:50:15pm
51 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:50:16pm

re: #45 abaleh

That was me and it is kinda sad that Medved doesn't understand that.

52 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:50:25pm

re: #36 Alouette

Is Yisrael Beitenu more hard-line than Likud?

53 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:50:27pm

re: #37 Jetpilot1101

...to my knowledge didn't support Obama. Is it racist?

That's all we needed to hear. The answer is yes.

This is the Age of the Savior now. Only PC is accepted. The more PC, the better.

54 maximus kreyzlkil  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:50:33pm

Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou dost become a plain; and he shall bring forth the head-stone with shoutings: Grace, grace unto it!

55 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:50:37pm

re: #38 opnion

I have heard that Tzipy Livni is the daughter of Likud members.
Anyone know anything about that?

Her brother is a Likud activist.

All of Kadima was formed by opportunists who abandoned Labor and Likud to follow Ariel Sharon into the wilderness, but then he had a stroke before he could lead them to the Promised Land.

56 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:50:43pm

re: #37 Jetpilot1101

I don't know, mine is white and to my knowledge didn't support Obama. Is it racist?

My Mac is black, but post-racial.

57 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:51:17pm

re: #52 MandyManners

Is Yisrael Beitenu more hard-line than Likud?

Yes

58 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:51:22pm

re: #38 opnion

I have heard that Tzipy Livni is the daughter of Likud members.
Anyone know anything about that?

Both her parents were in the Irgun.

59 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:51:39pm

re: #55 Alouette

Her brother is a Likud activist.

All of Kadima was formed by opportunists who abandoned Labor and Likud to follow Ariel Sharon into the wilderness, but then he had a stroke before he could lead them to the Promised Land.

Thanks

60 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:51:40pm

re: #47 zombie

OK, I'll rephrase that to excise any McCainisms:

The parliamentary system SUCKS!

Heh.

Better.

61 Marvo76  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:51:42pm

Ok help me out here, which government is the "better" of the two in terms of relations with the US? Are they both hawk or dove and hawk? Which one is more likely to start WW3? Anyone got a fruitcup?

62 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:51:49pm

re: #51 Nevergiveup

That was me and it is kinda sad that Medved doesn't understand that.

Who's Medved?

63 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:51:55pm

re: #47 zombie

OK, I'll rephrase that to excise any McCainisms:

The parliamentary system SUCKS!

Much better. Just be sure you don't clench your teeth, grin uncomfortably, and flash a thumbs-up.

64 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:52:06pm
65 Emperor Norton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:52:08pm

How can a modern, Western democracy have a prime minister named Zippy?

66 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:52:16pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Both her parents were in the Irgun.

Thats it! thank you.

67 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:52:18pm

re: #52 MandyManners

Is Yisrael Beitenu more hard-line than Likud?

Avigdor Lieberman is the Sarah Palin of Israeli politics, but fat and bearded. Also he can't shoot moose for shit.

68 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:52:21pm

re: #52 MandyManners

Is Yisrael Beitenu more hard-line than Likud?

Depends on the issue, as far as I can tell. Israel our Home says they will not make land concessions. Likud says they will not divide Jerusalem.
Hard to tell.
The pressure of leading the country seems to change the stance in time.
Netanyahu gave up Hebron, for instance.
Sharon led to the fall of Gaza.

69 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:52:22pm

re: #37 Jetpilot1101

I don't know, mine is white and to my knowledge didn't support Obama. Is it racist?

Smack it around a bit and tell it to stop suggesting lynchings of African nations.
///

70 opnion  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:52:53pm

re: #63 Occasional Reader

Much better. Just be sure you don't clench your teeth, grin uncomfortably, and flash a thumbs-up.

'My friends"

71 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:53:03pm

re: #62 abaleh

Who's Medved?

He does commentary here in the USA. He said he assumed the Military would vote for Likud.

72 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:53:26pm

re: #65 Emperor Norton

How can a modern, Western democracy have a prime minister named Zippy?

Does Obama ring a bell

73 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:53:55pm

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

So was Rahm Emmanuel's father. That and two bucks gets you on the subway.

Not even a cup of coffee?

74 bulwrk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:54:28pm

re: #65 Emperor Norton

We have Barry O

75 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:55:02pm

Given the number of parties in Israel, and given how small parties that capture seats get a disproportionate amount of power, why don't the Israeli Lizards here form a party?

Little Green Party?

THAT would be cool.

76 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:55:25pm

re: #72 Nevergiveup

Does Obama ring a bell

Every time Michelle tells him to.

77 Lynn B.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:55:26pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Is it true that Kadima is not as liberal as Labor but nowhere near as conservative as Likud?

Yes but it's not that simple. Kadima started as the pro-disengagement party and Sharon took a bunch of Likud members with him when he formed it. Livni was one of them (as was Olmert). Sharon then positioned Kadima as a centrist party and attracted some disaffected right-leaning Labor party members (and others) as well. It was basically a short-lived personality cult, until Sharon stroked out and left Olmert in charge. So it started as a rag tag bunch of people with different affiliations and ended up ... more so.

78 Randall Gross  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:55:28pm

I know zip and nothing about Israeli parties and factions, so for once I am going to shut up listen and learn.

79 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:55:49pm

re: #76 CyanSnowHawk

Every time Michelle tells him to.

I teed that one up for ya

80 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:56:11pm

re: #65 Emperor Norton

How can a modern, Western democracy have a prime minister named Zippy?

And you find that funny or something?

81 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:56:24pm

re: #78 Thanos

I know tzip and nothing about Israeli parties

Fixed.

82 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:56:26pm

re: #65 Emperor Norton

How can a modern, Western democracy have a prime minister named Zippy?

With a Defense Minister called "Pinhead"?

83 zombie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:56:26pm

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Comrades, Livni here a little, while as yet 'tis early morn:
Livni here, and when you Bibi, sound upon the shofar-horn.

--Yankel, Lord Tennyson

Wow, now that was esoteric. But good.

84 Marvo76  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:56:29pm

Which one will Obama be more likely to keep the commitment to 30 billion dollars in Military aid for the next ten years, and which one would get it taken away...

85 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:56:30pm

re: #77 Lynn B.

Yes but it's not that simple. Kadima started as the pro-disengagement party and Sharon took a bunch of Likud members with him when he formed it. Livni was one of them (as was Olmert). Sharon then positioned Kadima as a centrist party and attracted some disaffected right-leaning Labor party members (and others) as well. It was basically a short-lived personality cult, until Sharon stroked out and left Olmert in charge. So it started as a rag tag bunch of people with different affiliations and ended up ... more so.

A mish-mash, eh?

86 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:56:34pm

re: #8 zombie

This, my friends, is why I'm grateful the U.S. doesn't have one of these "parliamentary"-style governements. One always ends up with weak, muddling, bickering "centrist" governments composed of warring factions that never get anything decisive done.

Israel seems to be going down the same road as modern Italy, which always has these miserable impotent governments without a mandate.

Sorry to diagree with you, Zombie, on one issue. I'd love for the US to have an impotent government right now.

87 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:56:38pm
88 acwgusa  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:56:46pm

When did Diebold start running Israeli elections?

/Kidding, please don't hurt me!

89 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:56:53pm

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

And you find that funny or something?

Everybody be SERIOUS, this is a newsroom!

90 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:57:03pm

re: #65 Emperor Norton

How can a modern, Western democracy have a prime minister named Zippy?

I think Norton is a troll.

91 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:57:07pm

re: #74 bulwrk

We have Barry O

What about my barrio, you pinche gringo?!

92 Lynn B.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:57:17pm

re: #52 MandyManners

Is Yisrael Beitenu more hard-line than Likud?

The Arabs think so. But, again, only on some issues, it seems.

93 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:57:27pm
94 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:57:39pm

re: #82 karmic_inquisitor

With a Defense Minister called "Pinhead"?

I thought that was Biden's Secret Service nic?

95 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:57:49pm

Witht he Zero running things, I am guesssing that Israel is preparing to go it alone and s making plans to get parts elsewhere. I do not think the USA will remain a good ally.

96 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:58:00pm

re: #89 CyanSnowHawk

Everybody be SERIOUS, this is a newsroom!

I think Norton is a troll. That was a nuanced snide remark about a Jewish politician. IMHO.

97 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:58:02pm

re: #84 Marvo76

Which one will Obama be more likely to keep the commitment to 30 billion dollars in Military aid for the next ten years, and which one would get it taken away...

They are both in deep trouble with an Obama admin, but Bibi would probably ruffle more feathers. They hate him in Washington

98 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:58:05pm

re: #87 buzzsawmonkey

For hate's sake, I spit my last post at thee.

Off to the gym...

99 Lynn B.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:58:45pm

re: #85 MandyManners

A mish-mash, eh?

Exactly, and not a very appetizing one, if you ask me. Principles? What's that? (Of course many would say the same about Bibi.)

100 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:59:22pm

re: #99 Lynn B.

Exactly, and not a very appetizing one, if you ask me. Principles? What's that? (Of course many would say the same about Bibi.)

And many do, even those that vote for him

101 TheMatrix31  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:59:26pm

re: #91 Occasional Reader

What about my barrio, you pinche gringo?!

LOL

102 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 3:59:49pm

re: #83 zombie

[Link: www.theotherpages.org...]

103 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:00:32pm

Back to UNRWA for a minute.

Here's a short video with some things I didn't know about the world's worst "aid" organization:

[Link: www.road90.com...]

104 Timbre  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:00:38pm

O/T: Oh, No! Tejadagate!

105 stuiec  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:00:42pm

The new Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition's cover model is a native of Israel, Bar Refaeli.

My proposal for ridding Gaza of Hamas: the IAF airdrops a million copies of the SI swimsuit edition on Gaza. You think the boys there will let the Hamas religious police take them away? Instant revolution.

106 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:01:02pm

Ok, I am listening to Israel radio coverage of election live. WIll give updates as they give them.
50% votes have been counbted: virtual deadlock
28 seats kadima
27 seats likud
16 Yisrael Beteinu

107 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:01:36pm

re: #105 stuiec

The new Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition's cover model is a native of Israel, Bar Refaeli.

My proposal for ridding Gaza of Hamas: the IAF airdrops a million copies of the SI swimsuit edition on Gaza. You think the boys there will let the Hamas religious police take them away? Instant revolution.

She's an ass.

108 zombie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:01:54pm

re: #86 Soona'

Sorry to diagree with you, Zombie, on one issue. I'd love for the US to have an impotent government right now.

That's whole point. Some side always would want to paralyze and block the government when they're not in power.

If we get to stymie Obama now, then the next time a conservative wins, we must grant to the libs the power to stymie him (or her). That's the essence of parliamentaryism -- everybody gets a hand on the steering wheel, even when they're not the majority party. The end result is paralysis.

It may sound like a good idea now (and for the next four years), but you'd be screaming bloody murder if the table were reversed and the Left inevitably had the power to block any decisions, even when they lost an election.

109 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:02:04pm

re: #106 Wishing

Ok, I am listening to Israel radio coverage of election live. WIll give updates as they give them.
50% votes have been counbted: virtual deadlock
28 seats kadima
27 seats likud
16 Yisrael Beteinu

labor drop off the face of the earth?

110 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:02:16pm

re: #94 CyanSnowHawk

I thought that was Biden's Secret Service nic?

The problem with that of course, is does it refer to this or this?

Neither one bodes well I'm afraid.

111 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:02:26pm

UPDATE:

I'm watching Israeli TV...so Livni shouted out to Bibi to have a coalition government and Bibi says no way...Lieberman has 16 seats without the solider's votes being counted...the Labour party is down..12 seats-Livni has NO HOPE of making a coalition with the right..this could be a total sweep up for the right. The Israeli media is in mourning! And, Livni's speech was too pathetic. All the losers from Kadima looked like they were at a funeral.

112 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:02:44pm

re: #109 Nevergiveup

labor drop off the face of the earth?

I missed # of seats for them sorry...listed top three.
Will try harder.
=)

113 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:02:50pm

re: #105 stuiec

The new Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition's cover model is a native of Israel, Bar Refaeli.

My proposal for ridding Gaza of Hamas: the IAF airdrops a million copies of the SI swimsuit edition on Gaza. You think the boys there will let the Hamas religious police take them away? Instant revolution.

Danica is in there, too. Many heads will go 'splodey.

114 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:03:52pm

Tzipi's kinda cute in a girl next door sorta way.

115 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:04:04pm

re: #71 Nevergiveup

He does commentary here in the USA. He said he assumed the Military would vote for Likud.

According to this article (Hebrew), the soldier's votes will probably strengthen the right, though without specifying which party.
This was based on a research conducted by polling soldiers opinions before during and after their service.
Overall, the results show that most soldiers start their service favouring the right-wing parties, but that their opinions become more centrist towards the end of their service (especially combat soldiers), due to their exposure to combat. However, the researcher says that the latest conflict in Gaza is not expected to have such an effect because the price for soldiers in terms of casualties was relatively low, so he predicts a hardening of opinions, giving the right more votes.

116 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:04:20pm

re: #113 MandyManners

Danica is in there, too. Many heads will go 'splodey.

That's the second time you have linked to that picture. Is that really you?

117 FloridaAnole  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:04:28pm

Please let it be Netanyahu. Somebody's got to stand up to Iran. Comrade Barney the Purple Dinosaur Obama won't, that's for damn sure. He thinks Dinnerjacket is his good buddy, even though Dinnerjacket has been giving him the finger for the past 2 weeks.

(Right now I am so enraged by the Liberal-Fascist-Bolshevik stealth takeover of this country, it is hard to make any comments about anything that won't get me tarred, feathered and permanently banned from LGF.)

118 zombie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:04:30pm

re: #107 Nevergiveup

She's an ass.

You mean:

She has an ass.

119 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:04:31pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Tzipi's kinda cute in a girl next door sorta way.

120 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:04:56pm

From personal contacts I have, one of whom will be seated in this Knesset, Likud has made some pretty radical changes in regards how it views the Land. This SHOULD parlay into a more hardline stance against land concessions, but with Netanyahu's history with Hebron, it is hard to tell.

121 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:05:01pm

re: #116 Walter L. Newton

That's the second time you have linked to that picture. Is that really you?

I confess.

122 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:06:12pm

re: #121 MandyManners

I confess.

No.

123 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:06:48pm

re: #119 albusteve

bad fu

124 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:06:56pm

re: #118 zombie

You mean:

She has an ass.

Well both

125 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:06:59pm

Good evening, crew. Has the Master of our Destruction offered his words of wisdom on the Israeli elections? Something along the lines of "there is this group called ACORN who could be helpful"?

126 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:07:04pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Oh puke-o-rama.

127 TheMatrix31  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:07:17pm

re: #104 Timbre

O/T: Oh, No! Tejadagate!

Tejada they rise, Tejada they fall.

128 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:07:27pm

re: #121 MandyManners

I confess.

re: #122 MandyManners

No.

What?

129 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:07:44pm

re: #122 MandyManners

No.

LOL

Mandy suddenly realizes that she was bringing a whole new meaning to being whacked by Mandy.

130 Lynn B.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:07:47pm

So far, this appears to be a bad news and good news scenario. The bad news (from my perspective anyway) is that the exit polls are showing Kadima with more seats than Likud, though by a very narrow margin. The good news (again, FMP) is that the "right wing" parties as a block appear to have picked up a fair number of seats and are now in a majority. So to form a government, Livni would need to win at least one of them over (hardly impossible) with some concessions. Otherwise, Bibi gets a shot...

All this is assuming the numbers don't change much when the real votes (including military votes) are counted.

131 mattm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:08:06pm

OT

RCP Polling data

Obama approve/disapprove
65.4/22.6
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Congress approve/disapprove
31.7/59.7
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Direction right/wrong
28.5/61.3
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Change!

132 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:08:20pm

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

What?

Leave her alone. She's arguing with herself and you DON'T want to get in the middle of it!

133 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:08:49pm

re: #121 MandyManners

I confess.

I think the forecast has changed. We will have up to 7 inches tonight.

134 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:09:02pm

re: #126 WriterMom

Oh puke-o-rama.

Well you just lost an initiation to a threesome.

135 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:09:05pm
136 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:09:23pm

re: #130 Lynn B.

So far, this appears to be a bad news and good news scenario. The bad news (from my perspective anyway) is that the exit polls are showing Kadima with more seats than Likud, though by a very narrow margin. The good news (again, FMP) is that the "right wing" parties as a block appear to have picked up a fair number of seats and are now in a majority. So to form a government, Livni would need to win at least one of them over (hardly impossible) with some concessions. Otherwise, Bibi gets a shot...

All this is assuming the numbers don't change much when the real votes (including military votes) are counted.

I am listening to commentary and apparently Kadima has like conceded to Likud, because Kadima would be unable to form a coalition.
Hooray!

137 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:09:25pm

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

I think the forecast has changed. We will have up to 7 inches tonight.

Ladies all over Denver are hoping!

138 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:09:25pm

re: #111 WriterMom

UPDATE:

I'm watching Israeli TV...so Livni shouted out to Bibi to have a coalition government and Bibi says no way...Lieberman has 16 seats without the solider's votes being counted...the Labour party is down..12 seats-Livni has NO HOPE of making a coalition with the right..this could be a total sweep up for the right. The Israeli media is in mourning! And, Livni's speech was too pathetic. All the losers from Kadima looked like they were at a funeral.

Thank you WM!

139 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:09:29pm

re: #132 sattv4u2

Leave her alone. She's arguing with herself and you DON'T want to get in the middle of it!

A Walter sandwich on Mandy?

/I'm jealous.

140 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:10:06pm

Dinner time. bbl

141 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:10:42pm

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

What?

I met Danica out at the Track..She is really a nice person..Because she is a girl..and VERY COMPETITIVE people has issues with her..plus she is pretty and that's not allowed..Good kid

142 zombie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:10:44pm

re: #111 WriterMom

UPDATE:

I'm watching Israeli TV...so Livni shouted out to Bibi to have a coalition government and Bibi says no way...Lieberman has 16 seats without the solider's votes being counted...the Labour party is down..12 seats-Livni has NO HOPE of making a coalition with the right..this could be a total sweep up for the right. The Israeli media is in mourning! And, Livni's speech was too pathetic. All the losers from Kadima looked like they were at a funeral.

Thanks for the report!

Very revealing.

So, to sum it up for those unfamiliar with the details of Israeli political parties:

The conservative Likud party, all by itself, was edged out by the semi-centrist Kadima party -- but the conservative parties all combined had a very strong showing, and completely buried the liberal parties, which were weak this time around. The liberal Labor party in particular, which used to be the leading party in the country, is now a pathetic also-ran minor party, way back in fourth place.

The end result seems to be that Kadima will not be able to find enough political allies to "form a government" - -and so Likud will get a chance, and they will likely succeed, even though they all by themselves do not have as many seats as Kadima.

Does that about sum it up?

143 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:11:16pm

Israeli voters definitely saw Obama's pro-Palestinian bus barreling down the road and veered right to avoid it.

/go Bibi!

144 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:11:43pm

With 52% counted, 29 kadima, 28 likud 16 Yisrael Beteinu 12 .Labor

145 fish  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:12:40pm

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

I think Norton is a troll. That was a nuanced snide remark about a Jewish politician. IMHO.

I might be a troll then. I make snide remarks (Nuanced and otherwise) about pretty much ALL politicians.

146 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:12:58pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

Ladies all over Denver are hoping!

hahahaha....hoping to be outa town

147 J.S.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:13:01pm

re: #8 zombie

As you may already be aware, there are different types of parliamentary governments, and one could argue that the problems with governance in Israel arises not so much from a parliamentary system as from "proportional representation". (Proportional representation, is imo, the disaster. There are parliamentary systems, such as Canada, which has "first past the post" -- not proportional representation -- and, we do not, usually, get coalitional governments...we get instead a kind of "one party rule" -- The Liberal party of Canada gets all the seats and rules; then, The Conservative Party gets all the seats and rules; etc., whereas, with proportional representation, due to the splintering of the political parties into a zillion different factions, you almost HAVe to form multi-party coalitions...no ONE party has enough seats to create a government...)

148 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:13:36pm

Religious:
Shas: 11
United Torah Judaism: 4
National Union: 4
Jewish Home: 3

149 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:14:03pm

re: #145 fish

I might be a troll then. I make snide remarks (Nuanced and otherwise) about pretty much ALL politicians.

The point is, Norton was ask to explain the remark, and he ran. That's a troll.

150 Cathypop  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:14:07pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

Ladies all over Denver are hoping!


Good one! Major up-dingy

151 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:14:34pm

Arab party seats so far: 3

152 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:15:12pm
153 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:15:30pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

The point is, Norton was ask to explain the remark, and he ran. That's a troll.

what's to explain?....don't you get it?...Zippy/Bibi....funny names for world leaders?

154 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:15:34pm

re: #150 Cathypop

Good one! Major up-dingy

That was my Major in college (updingery) with a minor on Tom Foolery

155 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:16:06pm

re: #143 Killian Bundy

Israeli voters definitely saw Obama's pro-Palestinian bus barreling down the road and veered right to avoid it.

/go Bibi!

Personally I think the reality of what the Palestinians have become had more to do with it, but I'd be very worried if I were Israeli for sure.

156 Elcid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:16:18pm

re: #113 MandyManners

THAT, is one stunning Cobra.

157 FloridaAnole  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:16:51pm

re: #143 Killian Bundy

Israeli voters definitely saw Obama's pro-Palestinian bus barreling down the road and veered right to avoid it.

/go Bibi!

Right. Want to bet that the appointment of the execrable Samantha Power to be Hillary's "foreign policy liaison" (minder?) made the Israelis sit up and take notice?

158 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:16:59pm

re: #153 albusteve

what's to explain?....don't you get it?...Zippy/Bibi....funny names for world leaders?

Yeah,,, like our leaders names and nicknames have been so mainstream (Barak ,,, Bubba ,,,, W ,,,, Ike ,,,, )

159 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:16:59pm
160 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:17:03pm

re: #153 albusteve

what's to explain?....don't you get it?...Zippy/Bibi....funny names for world leaders?

Don't start with me, or I'll call you... Steve.

161 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:17:23pm

re: #147 J.S.

As you may already be aware, there are different types of parliamentary governments, and one could argue that the problems with governance in Israel arises not so much from a parliamentary system as from "proportional representation". (Proportional representation, is imo, the disaster. There are parliamentary systems, such as Canada, which has "first past the post" -- not proportional representation -- and, we do not, usually, get coalitional governments...we get instead a kind of "one party rule" -- The Liberal party of Canada gets all the seats and rules; then, The Conservative Party gets all the seats and rules; etc., whereas, with proportional representation, due to the splintering of the political parties into a zillion different factions, you almost HAVe to form multi-party coalitions...no ONE party has enough seats to create a government...)

IMO the solution is to raise the minimum number of seats necessary in order to enter the Knesset, to say 10 (instead of 2). That way you won't have as many small parties, and any coalition will be much stabler. Also this way votes won't be wasted on useless parties such as the Plumber's Union or former McDonalds employees United (splinters!).

162 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:17:46pm

re: #158 sattv4u2

Yeah,,, like our leaders names and nicknames have been so mainstream (Barak ,,, Bubba ,,,, W ,,,, Ike ,,,, )

I liked Bubba....still do

163 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:17:48pm

re: #142 zombie

Thanks for the summary.

164 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:17:59pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Don't start with me, or I'll call you... Steve.

What's wrong with the name steven? oops.

165 zombie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:18:08pm

re: #152 taxfreekiller

Zombie

The deal is we need 65 Senators on the side of the Constitution,
we need a 3/4 majority in the house, and a Commander in Chief who
is not a full bore commie as Obama is, that we must hold for 12 years in order to correct our course and keep freedom and private property.

Some say a start is to org. all the conservative web sites, the talk radio host, every way we can and get as many bodies to D.C. the last week of June, to July 3 or when ever they vote to leave for the 4th.

Keep that up for 2-- 4---6-- 8--10--12 years or until it works.
Only actions will result in action.

No problem -- I'll organize all that before lunch, then go out for a game of racketball. Piece of cake.

166 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:18:58pm

re: #151 Wishing

Arab party seats so far: 3

No, they have 9:

Hadash (Arab Israeli Communist coalition) - 4
Ra'am - Ta'al - 3
Balad - 2

167 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:19:09pm

re: #164 Nevergiveup

What's wrong with the name steven? oops.

Now I'm getting it from you... don't start, I've got puns ready if needed.

168 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:19:40pm

Kadima:
Likud:
Labor:
Yisrael Beteinu:
Shas:re: #166 abaleh

No, they have 9:

Hadash (Arab Israeli Communist coalition) - 4
Ra'am - Ta'al - 3
Balad - 2

Sorry I should have been more specific..United Arab party 3

169 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:20:00pm

If Kadima had folded after Sharon passed from the scene, I don't think it would have even been close tonight.

170 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:20:24pm

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

Now I'm getting it from you... don't start, I've got puns ready if needed.

No that's my name.

171 zombie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:21:08pm

re: #161 abaleh

IMO the solution is to raise the minimum number of seats necessary in order to enter the Knesset, to say 10 (instead of 2). That way you won't have as many small parties, and any coalition will be much stabler. Also this way votes won't be wasted on useless parties such as the Plumber's Union or former McDonalds employees United (splinters!).

I was hoping, just for the sheer wackiness of it, that the Israeli marijuana party (Ale Yarok) would get enough votes to play kingmakers and throw the entire region into chaos.

172 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:21:33pm

I posted this the other day, but it bears repeating.

Both Kadima and Likud are scared that Avidgor Lieberman's party could pull abreast of them in the next elections (not today's, but whenever the new government dissolves). He's already becoming a major power. And he wants to establish an anti-democratic "loyalty test" for citizenship. Presumably this would extend beyond "disloyal Arabs" to include opposition groups. Netanyahu thinks this is legitimate.

Lieberman has called for the expulsion of Israeli Arab citizens and the execution of Arab Members of Knesset. The Israeli attorney general declines to indict him for incitement.

Who's Lieberman flipping the bird at?

173 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:21:43pm

re: #170 Nevergiveup

No that's my name.


odd 1st name,"THAT'S",,,, is your last name "NUTS" ?

174 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:21:45pm
175 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:21:53pm

re: #161 abaleh

IMO the solution is to raise the minimum number of seats necessary in order to enter the Knesset, to say 10 (instead of 2). That way you won't have as many small parties, and any coalition will be much stabler. Also this way votes won't be wasted on useless parties such as the Plumber's Union or former McDonalds employees United (splinters!).

Sure and just try and get the Knesset to pass that?

176 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:22:07pm

re: #159 buzzsawmonkey

Only if you think that English is the only language in the world.

oh please...dont be ridiculous...it's just fun with words...you should know

177 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:22:30pm

re: #171 zombie

I was hoping, just for the sheer wackiness of it, that the Israeli marijuana party (Ale Yarok) would get enough votes to play kingmakers and throw the entire region into chaos.

They would have, but most of their followers were too mellowed out to go to the polls!

178 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:23:03pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

odd 1st name,"THAT'S",,,, is your last name "NUTS" ?

My wife thinks my name is Idi Ot.

179 Cathypop  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:23:14pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

odd 1st name,"THAT'S",,,, is your last name "NUTS" ?

You are on a role. LOL

180 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:23:20pm

re: #170 Nevergiveup

No that's my name.

What's your name?

181 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:23:31pm

kadima 29
likud 28
labor 12
Yis. Beteinu 16
Shas 11
with 80% counted

182 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:23:37pm

re: #174 buzzsawmonkey

The Israeli government is going to pot without their help.

They could weed out all of the bad politicians.

183 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:23:48pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

What's your name?

Who's on first?

184 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:24:03pm

re: #179 Cathypop

You are on a role. LOL

re: #179 Cathypop

You are on a role. LOL

no ,,,, I'm on a chair!

185 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:24:13pm

re: #183 Nevergiveup

Who's on first?

What is the name of the mane on first base?

186 Cathypop  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:24:28pm

re: #178 Nevergiveup

My wife thinks my name is Idi Ot.

Have you checked your birth certificate?

187 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:24:38pm

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

What is the name of the mane on first base?

Mr Ed !?!?!?!

188 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:24:49pm

With 80% of the ballots counted, the results remain the same.

189 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:25:15pm

re: #186 Cathypop

Have you checked your birth certificate?

Yeah some guy with a girl's name Miss Take?

190 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:25:21pm
191 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:26:01pm
192 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:26:05pm

re: #188 abaleh

With 80% of the ballots counted, the results remain the same.

Likud members are calling Al Franken as we speak.
/

193 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:26:41pm

OT OT OT OT

Sorry for the OT:
Cookbook update:

I got my copy of the cookbook today, and there is a glitch. Most of the pages did not print properly; two cookbook pages were printed sideways on one page in the cookbook, with 1/2 of the recipe block cut off.

This means a couple of things:
1. The pricing information I gave you for the cookbook will not be correct. The books at lulu.com are priced based on number of pages; because our "book" has two pages on one, then the price they gave me is for about half the number of actual pages we will have once this has been rectified. I do not know what the new price will be; it is likely that our "profit" margin will have to be reduced in order to keep the book price at a reasonable level. I won't know more until the problem has been fixed and we know the actual number of pages that will be in the book.

2. There will be a an additional delay while we get this fixed. I've been in touch with FlakMusic to let him know what happened, and I scanned a cookbook page and e-mailed it to him so he can see what the problem is. I may need to send my copy of the book to him for further clarification.

I apologize to everyone for the delays; and I beg you to please understand that this whole process was brand new to me, and to FlakMusic, too. So we are having to learn as we go.

This information along with an image of one of the error pages is at the cookbook blog - click my nic.

194 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:26:44pm

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

What is the name of the mane on first base?

What's on second.

195 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:26:50pm

re: #192 Soona'

Likud members are calling Al Franken as we speak.
/

If they;re calling him an asshole, I agree. If they aren't, not so much!

196 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:27:51pm

Correction: wqith 80% counted Yisrael Beteinu has 18 not 16.

197 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:28:06pm

re: #195 sattv4u2

If they;re calling him an asshole, I agree. If they aren't, not so much!

What's going on in that State? Did Minnesota succeed from the Union?

198 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:28:39pm

re: #196 Wishing

Correction: wqith 80% counted Yisrael Beteinu has 18 not 16.

Wow. What were they predicted to get in Polls?

199 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:28:42pm

re: #194 screaming_eagle

What's on second.

I don't know who's on second.

200 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:28:44pm
201 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:29:08pm

re: #198 Nevergiveup

Wow. What were they predicted to get in Polls?

At least that many, I think.

202 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:29:27pm

re: #197 Nevergiveup

What's going on in that State? Did Minnesota succeed from the Union?

The court there just gave Coleman a lifeline, stating that the 4800 or so absentee ballots the the Sec of State (a dem) nullified have to be counted. Many think that will put Coleman back in the lead

203 Cathypop  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:29:46pm

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

I don't know who's on second.

Who's on first!

204 zombie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:30:02pm

re: #196 Wishing

Correction: wqith 80% counted Yisrael Beteinu has 18 not 16.

Oooh, they're gaining.

205 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:30:04pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

The court there just gave Coleman a lifeline, stating that the 4800 or so absentee ballots the the Sec of State (a dem) nullified have to be counted. Many think that will put Coleman back in the lead

That was a week ago. Have they counted them yet?

206 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:30:26pm

Speaking of secession, I have heard rumblings already of southern states wanting to secede. Anyone else hearing that? (this is on other blogs and forums that I frequent).

207 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:30:26pm
208 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:30:42pm

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

I don't know who's on second.

The guy that plays first, when he picks up his check, whos name is on that check.

209 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:30:57pm

re: #203 Cathypop

Who's on first!

That's what I want to know! What's the name of the man on first base?

210 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:31:04pm

re: #205 Nevergiveup

That was a week ago. Have they counted them yet?

Not until they give Franken a chance to find 4801 ballots in the trumk of his wifes car!

//

211 zombie  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:31:05pm

re: #206 Wishing

Speaking of secession, I have heard rumblings already of southern states wanting to secede. Anyone else hearing that? (this is on other blogs and forums that I frequent).

Gee, didn't we already go through this in 1861?

212 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:31:08pm
213 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:31:14pm

re: #208 screaming_eagle

The guy that plays first, when he picks up his check, whos name is on that check.

Correct!

214 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:31:28pm

re: #211 zombie

Gee, didn't we already go through this in 1861?

Yep, it sure SOUNDS familiar.

215 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:31:29pm
216 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:31:46pm

re: #206 Wishing

Speaking of secession, I have heard rumblings already of southern states wanting to secede. Anyone else hearing that? (this is on other blogs and forums that I frequent).

I think it takes far more energy to hold Texas in the Union than otherwise...jus sayin

217 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:31:51pm

re: #208 screaming_eagle

The guy that plays first, when he picks up his check, whos name is on that check.

But what's the name of the over payed druggie on third?

218 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:31:57pm

re: #211 zombie

Gee, didn't we already go through this in 1861?

If at first you don't secede, try try again.
/

219 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:32:02pm
220 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:32:06pm

re: #208 screaming_eagle

The guy that plays first, when he picks up his check, whos name is on that check.

yes, who!

221 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:32:11pm

re: #206 Wishing

Speaking of secession, I have heard rumblings already of southern states wanting to secede. Anyone else hearing that? (this is on other blogs and forums that I frequent).

No, But I would like a Constitional Amendment to KICK California out.

Does that count?

222 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:32:22pm
223 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:32:30pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

The court there just gave Coleman a lifeline, stating that the 4800 or so absentee ballots the the Sec of State (a dem) nullified have to be counted. Many think that will put Coleman back in the lead

Minnesota is just a preview of what's going to happen from now on with our voting process, especially when ACORN is involved.

224 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:32:54pm
225 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:33:00pm

I have not checked this yet, but in November, Tennessee had both a republican house and senate for the first time sinbce reconstruction. However, yesterday I heard part of a story that the republican majority in the house was lost due to a turn coat republican.
They booted the guy out of the party today.

226 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:33:13pm
227 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:33:15pm

re: #217 Nevergiveup

But what's the name of the over payed druggie on third?

a-rod

228 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:33:19pm

re: #224 taxfreekiller

California, ya got 90 days to pack up and get out.

Can we just give it to Mexico?

229 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:33:49pm

re: #216 albusteve

I think it takes far more energy to hold Texas in the Union than otherwise...jus sayin


I think Texas is counted among these southern states.

230 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:34:13pm

re: #227 screaming_eagle

a-rod

What are volts?

231 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:34:47pm

Golda Rabin and Ben Gurion must be turning over in their graves.

232 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:34:50pm

re: #229 Wishing

I think Texas is counted among these southern states.

yes...being a southern state you'd expect that

233 FloridaAnole  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:34:59pm

re: #215 taxfreekiller

All's would be good if we just kicked Calif. out and the money they owe with them.

Good idea! Plus utilize Barry Goldwater's idea of sawing off the entire Northeast and let it float out out to sea.

234 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:35:03pm

re: #206 Wishing

Speaking of secession, I have heard rumblings already of southern states wanting to secede. Anyone else hearing that? (this is on other blogs and forums that I frequent).

I haven't seen or heard anything specific, but it doesn't surprise me. There are rumblings here in Oklahoma (hearsay only) that if Texas were to secede, we'd be right with them.

235 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:35:04pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

What are volts?

Tennessee Volts? Pat Summit got her 1000th win over the weekend.

236 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:35:27pm

re: #231 Nevergiveup

Golda Rabin and Ben Gurion must be turning over in their graves.

Golda...who?

237 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:35:32pm

re: #233 FloridaAnole

Good idea! Plus utilize Barry Goldwater's idea of sawing off the entire Northeast and let it float out out to sea.

Fine, just give me a hours heads up on that one Ok

238 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:35:44pm

re: #235 Wishing

Tennessee Volts? Pat Summit got her 1000th win over the weekend.

"This is for the birds Byrds"

"Oh, they split up years ago!"

239 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:35:48pm
240 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:36:10pm

re: #236 Wishing

Golda...who?

insert coma

241 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:36:16pm

re: #234 Soona'

I haven't seen or heard anything specific, but it doesn't surprise me. There are rumblings here in Oklahoma (hearsay only) that if Texas were to secede, we'd be right with them.

New Mexico will do whatever Texas tells us...like a big brother you know

242 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:36:25pm

re: #187 sattv4u2

Mr Ed !?!?!?!

I'll take Trigger for 200, thanks.

243 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:36:36pm

re: #234 Soona'

I haven't seen or heard anything specific, but it doesn't surprise me. There are rumblings here in Oklahoma (hearsay only) that if Texas were to secede, we'd be right with them.

Ya know Soona, a year ago or so, I found a map online that showed religious breakdown in the US, state by state. You would be amazed!
I will try to find it again.

244 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:36:38pm

re: #240 Nevergiveup

insert coma

Gonzo: I don't know!
Fozzie: No, he was the first baseman.
Statler: What?
Fozzie: Second base! The bear is on a roll!

245 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:36:58pm

re: #242 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

I'll take Trigger for 200, thanks.

Mike: No, no, wait a minute. Noh theater started in Japan.
Servo: Oh, so now you tell us Japan doesn't have any theater whatsoever!
Mike: They have lots of theater, including Noh theater.
Crow: So they have lots of theater, and they have no theater?

247 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:38:07pm

re: #235 Wishing

Tennessee Volts? Pat Summit got her 1000th win over the weekend.

Pat..The greatest coach of all time in College Basketball..And she's got the numbers to back that up...

248 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:38:19pm

Once the election is over in Israel, we still aren't finished. It will be up to the President to choose which party will form the government.

249 LittleBenny  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:38:24pm

I think you guys took a wrong turn at the stop sign and headed down Digression Avenue after making a few stops at the Tangent fill-up station. Secession? Slaves? WTF?

(Or in other words, what the hell happened to the lively discussion on Israelis elections?)

:-))
/newbie rant

250 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:38:50pm

re: #247 HoosierHoops

Pat..The greatest coach of all time in College Basketball..And she's got the numbers to back that up...

Personally, I am a UCONN and Geno Aurieama fan.

251 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:39:09pm

Evening everyone!

252 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:39:14pm

re: #249 LittleBenny

I think you guys took a wrong turn at the stop sign and headed down Digression Avenue after making a few stops at the Tangent fill-up station. Secession? Slaves? WTF?

(Or in other words, what the hell happened to the lively discussion on Israelis elections?)

:-))
/newbie rant

See #248

253 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:39:31pm

re: #239 taxfreekiller

If California agrees to give all their illegal wage slaves back to Mexico, collect for all the free stuff used by the illegals, and reverse any and all elections where the illegals voted, and agree to a 30% per year budget cut,,,,, you get to stay on a 10 year trial basis only.

like that
change

Get stuffed. Ever think that we might be a little tired of supporting the failing economies to the North and East?

254 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:39:39pm

re: #250 Wishing

Personally, I am a UCONN and Geno Aurieama fan.

Well done.

255 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:39:40pm

did netanyahu win?

256 LittleBenny  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:39:43pm

re: #252 Wishing

you're good!

257 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:39:45pm

re: #248 Wishing

Once the election is over in Israel, we still aren't finished. It will be up to the President to choose which party will form the government.

If kadima is ahead by even 1/2 seat I'd bet Peres will give Livni first shot. But she still has to do it.

258 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:39:55pm

BTW...Uconn is 23 and 0.
Neener neener.

259 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:40:22pm

re: #249 LittleBenny

I think you guys took a wrong turn at the stop sign and headed down Digression Avenue after making a few stops at the Tangent fill-up station. Secession? Slaves? WTF?

(Or in other words, what the hell happened to the lively discussion on Israelis elections?)

:-))
/newbie rant

We went off-topic. Ok with you, little one?

260 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:40:25pm

re: #256 LittleBenny

you're good!

Multi-task, dear.

261 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:40:29pm

re: #255 nyc redneck

did netanyahu win?

Still counting.

262 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:40:59pm

re: #260 Wishing

Multi-task, dear.

hahaha....

263 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:41:05pm

re: #260 Wishing

Multi-task, dear.

Multi-pass!

264 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:41:13pm

re: #261 Nevergiveup

Still counting.

Like I said, it is up to the President to decide which party will be tapped to form the government.

265 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:41:25pm

re: #261 Nevergiveup

Still counting.

i want netanyahu. right?
he's our guy.

266 J.S.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:41:25pm

re: #255 nyc redneck

All the political parties are madly chasing after other political parties so as to form a coalition...(too early to say which political parties will be in the ruling coalition...it'll probably be right-wing though...although nothing's settled yet...)

267 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:41:26pm

re: #263 Walter L. Newton

Multi-pass!

Going long............

268 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:41:28pm

re: #262 albusteve

hahaha....

Who rattled your cage?

269 SummerSong  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:41:38pm

re: #234 Soona'

I haven't seen or heard anything specific, but it doesn't surprise me. There are rumblings here in Oklahoma (hearsay only) that if Texas were to secede, we'd be right with them.

I thought that Texas was the only state that has the option to secede in their constitution?

270 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:41:40pm

re: #243 Wishing

Ya know Soona, a year ago or so, I found a map online that showed religious breakdown in the US, state by state. You would be amazed!
I will try to find it again.

If religion was tabulated as shades of red going from pink onwward, Oklahoma would be "fire-engine" red. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes not.

271 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:41:47pm

re: #258 Wishing

BTW...Uconn is 23 and 0.
Neener neener.

LOL
good luck...We have a couple of fun months ahead of us..

272 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:41:50pm

re: #267 Wishing

Going long............

re: #267 Wishing

Going long............

Er, no, "The Fifth Element."

273 Cathypop  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:42:13pm

re: #268 Walter L. Newton

Who rattled your cage?

I wanna know what drugs he's on. Maybe we can all have some to get thru to 2012

274 Emperor Norton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:42:28pm

The name Tzipi always reminds me of the cartoon strip Zippy the Pinhead, which is revered in my home town of San Francisco. However, the liberal policies of Kadima are problematic for me, and since she's in charge of it, her name seems to be appropriate, and fair game.

Now, gimme a glazed!

275 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:42:35pm

NASCAR revs up again this weekend!

Woo Hoo!

276 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:42:37pm

I just got my DVD "Meet the Feebles." I wonder if I should watch it now or later?

277 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:42:43pm

re: #264 Wishing

Like I said, it is up to the President to decide which party will be tapped to form the government.

The same President who the Israeli Public just could never quite see fit to elect Prime Minister?

278 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:42:46pm

re: #270 Soona'

If religion was tabulated as shades of red going from pink onwward, Oklahoma would be "fire-engine" red. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes not.

Well map in question has different shades for different religions, and OK is quite red.

279 LittleBenny  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:42:50pm

I'm guessing that we'll see a "unity" government, which will likely collapse in about 1 year...maybe 2:

Likud, Kadima, Yisrael Beitanu and maybe a few others as window dressing (probably not Labor). No one knows what to make of Obama, the economy and Iran, so they all tend to huddle up for safety until an opportunity to shove a stick in each-other's eye appears. Typical.

280 CynicalConservative  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:42:59pm

re: #272 Walter L. Newton

Er, no, "The Fifth Element."

281 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:43:13pm

re: #245 Walter L. Newton

Mike: No, no, wait a minute. Noh theater started in Japan.
Servo: Oh, so now you tell us Japan doesn't have any theater whatsoever!
Mike: They have lots of theater, including Noh theater.
Crow: So they have lots of theater, and they have no theater?

Ok, we're there - now what do we do?

No...Noh? uh-oh.

282 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:43:16pm

re: #264 Wishing

Like I said, it is up to the President to decide which party will be tapped to form the government.

which is exactly why I hope Israel is prepared to act unilaterally on her own behalf...BO will stiff Israel in a heartbeat....but he'll smile and sugarcoat it

283 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:43:17pm

re: #277 Nevergiveup

The same President who the Israeli Public just could never quite see fit to elect Prime Minister?

One and the same...
Sigh.

284 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:43:19pm

re: #249 LittleBenny

I think you guys took a wrong turn at the stop sign and headed down Digression Avenue after making a few stops at the Tangent fill-up station. Secession? Slaves? WTF?

(Or in other words, what the hell happened to the lively discussion on Israelis elections?)

:-))
/newbie rant

The only one talking about slaves is you. Racist.

285 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:43:21pm

re: #272 Walter L. Newton

Er, no, "The Fifth Element."

"I am Corbin Dallas"

286 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:43:42pm

I just got my "W" DVD I can't wait.

287 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:43:54pm

re: #273 Cathypop

I wanna know what drugs he's on. Maybe we can all have some to get thru to 2012

I've told my doc that if he prescribes any more drugs for me, they have to have a dual purpose. They need to keep me alive AND give me a buzz.

I picked a bad century to stop drinking.

288 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:44:02pm

re: #282 albusteve

which is exactly why I hope Israel is prepared to act unilaterally on her own behalf...BO will stiff Israel in a heartbeat....but he'll smile and sugarcoat it

No no, I meant it is up to Israeli president to tap the party that will form new government.

289 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:44:28pm

re: #268 Walter L. Newton

Who rattled your cage?

'hahaha' means you think something is funny....

290 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:44:31pm
291 Cathypop  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:44:35pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

I've told my doc that if he prescribes any more drugs for me, they have to have a dual purpose. They need to keep me alive AND give me a buzz.

I picked a bad century to stop drinking.


I'll have one for you Friday night.

292 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:44:47pm

re: #286 Afrocity

I just got my "W" DVD I can't wait.

Give us your review on the movie...

293 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:45:01pm

re: #85 MandyManners

A mish-mash, eh?

Mandy -

Sounds like the old Will Rogers quip about "organized political parties" applies in Israel as well.

-S-

294 LittleBenny  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:45:12pm

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

Sure is. Actually, it was entertaining, too!

295 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:45:25pm

re: #280 CynicalConservative

[Video]

Probably my over all favorite scifi movie. About as unique as they come. And I love French cinema.

296 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:45:33pm

In Israel, it is DIS-organized political parties.

297 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:45:50pm

re: #8 zombie

This, my friends, is why I'm grateful the U.S. doesn't have one of these "parliamentary"-style governements. One always ends up with weak, muddling, bickering "centrist" governments composed of warring factions that never get anything decisive done.

Israel seems to be going down the same road as modern Italy, which always has these miserable impotent governments without a mandate.

Weak, muddling, bickering.......sounds kind of like our current government.

298 CynicalConservative  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:45:56pm

re: #295 Walter L. Newton

Probably my over all favorite scifi movie. About as unique as they come. And I love French cinema.

Gotta agree, definitely on the all time favorites list.

299 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:46:15pm
300 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:46:16pm

re: #273 Cathypop

I wanna know what drugs he's on. Maybe we can all have some to get thru to 2012

why would I be on drugs?

301 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:46:27pm

Labor just stole one from Lieberman.
Kadima has a 2 seat lead on Likud.
The Arab parties have 11 seats

302 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:47:19pm

86% counted:
Kadima 29
Likud 27
Labor: 13
Shas: 11
Yis. Beteinu: 15

303 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:47:19pm

re: #295 Walter L. Newton

Probably my over all favorite scifi movie. About as unique as they come. And I love French cinema.

That is the DVD that I always put in to test any new player. The sound is amazing and the visuals are too.

304 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:47:27pm

re: #297 kansas

Weak, muddling, bickering.......sounds kind of like our current government.

Not really. They almost have a filibuster proof congress. The shit they are gonna force down our throats the next 2 years is gonna be a sight to behold?

305 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:47:40pm

re: #286 Afrocity

I just got my "W" DVD I can't wait.

Do give a review when you've actually watched it. It seems likely to contain far more Bush Derangement Syndrome than I could actually stand to watch.

306 Cathypop  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:47:45pm

re: #300 albusteve

why would I be on drugs?

Sleep deprived?

307 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:47:47pm

re: #288 Wishing

No no, I meant it is up to Israeli president to tap the party that will form new government.

I thought you were referring to BO...

308 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:48:05pm

Looks like Bietanu is out but the conservative parties together appear to have a significant advantage in total number of seats gained.

309 FloridaAnole  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:48:06pm

re: #290 taxfreekiller

RINO's are the most evil within, with out the RINO's very little of this commie crap would get off first base.

END THE RINO DEAL NOW

RINO MCCAIN AND HIS GANG ARE WHY WE HAVE LITTLE TO SHOW FOR BUSH'S 8 YEARS.

END RINO'S NOW

Bravo! Encore! (Even though I worked for the McCain campaign, mostly out of fear of the Messiah and his little friends. Make that little fiends.)

310 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:48:07pm

re: #299 taxfreekiller

no rino's
no to rino's
end the rino's rule
stop the rino's

Kill the wabbit?

311 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:48:07pm

re: #307 albusteve

I thought you were referring to BO...

Israel knows they are on their own, trust me.

312 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:48:08pm

re: #302 Wishing

86% counted:
Kadima 29
Likud 27
Labor: 13
Shas: 11
Yis. Beteinu: 15

Even more muddled

313 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:48:09pm

re: #142 zombie

Thanks for the report!

Very revealing.

So, to sum it up for those unfamiliar with the details of Israeli political parties:

The conservative Likud party, all by itself, was edged out by the semi-centrist Kadima party -- but the conservative parties all combined had a very strong showing, and completely buried the liberal parties, which were weak this time around. The liberal Labor party in particular, which used to be the leading party in the country, is now a pathetic also-ran minor party, way back in fourth place.

The end result seems to be that Kadima will not be able to find enough political allies to "form a government" - -and so Likud will get a chance, and they will likely succeed, even though they all by themselves do not have as many seats as Kadima.

Does that about sum it up?

zombie -

Pretty Much So - The rules they play by are "Westminster" with an overlay of proportional representation - NOT "CHICAGO."

-S-

314 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:48:15pm

re: #303 CyanSnowHawk

That is the DVD that I always put in to test any new player. The sound is amazing and the visuals are too.

Yes, I'm not an audio/video phile, but I've heard it is used a lot for testing.

315 LittleBenny  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:48:21pm

re: #284 Soona'

You got me...I admit it. I lead a secret cabal of Jewish brethren in the KKK. On Saturdays, we kvetch over the cost of our hoods, and all that bleach we use to keep 'em clean.

316 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:48:25pm

re: #306 Cathypop

Sleep deprived?

no...it was your suggestion

317 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:48:42pm

re: #308 Afrocity

Looks like Bietanu is out but the conservative parties together appear to have a significant advantage in total number of seats gained.

Yis. Beteinu is conservative/right wing, as well

318 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:49:09pm

re: #317 Wishing

Yis. Beteinu is conservative/right wing, as well

At least in some areas. LOL

319 Luigi  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:49:10pm

I never comment on Israeli politics because they're a foreign democracy. However, it's probably best if Livni does not win because it is Obama's nature to consider women his property. He automatically assumes they want to sleep with him and will give him anything he asks for. It will make for a more peaceful world if he has a big ugly man to deal with.

320 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:49:33pm

A question for gun-toting Lizards:

I'm looking for a long-gun to add to my home defense arsenal. Specifically, something good for "longer-range" home protection (don't ask). I've been thinking of something rifled for Winchester .308. Any recommendations?

321 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:49:55pm

re: #319 Luigi

I never comment on Israeli politics because they're a foreign democracy. However, it's probably best if Livni does not win because it is Obama's nature to consider women his property. He automatically assumes they want to sleep with him and will give him anything he asks for. It will make for a more peaceful world if he has a big ugly man to deal with.

Actually, I think Bibi can out-speak him, hands down, which is even better than ugly.

322 Cathypop  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:50:13pm

re: #316 albusteve

no...it was your suggestion


Did I tell you to get on drugs?

323 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:50:26pm

re: #320 Lizard by the Bay

30-06

324 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:50:28pm

re: #290 taxfreekiller

RINO's are the most evil within, with out the RINO's very little of this commie crap would get off first base.

END THE RINO DEAL NOW

RINO MCCAIN AND HIS GANG ARE WHY WE HAVE LITTLE TO SHOW FOR BUSH'S 8 YEARS.

END RINO'S NOW

Leave McCain alone. I know I am new to being a Republican but McCain is the GOP who gave me the faith to leave the Democrats. I love John McCain. i have his pic in my wallet and I admire his service to our country. He is a patriot.

325 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:51:07pm

re: #319 Luigi

I never comment on Israeli politics because they're a foreign democracy. However, it's probably best if Livni does not win because it is Obama's nature to consider women his property. He automatically assumes they want to sleep with him and will give him anything he asks for. It will make for a more peaceful world if he has a big ugly man to deal with.

A big, ugly man with an attitude. ;)

326 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:51:09pm

re: #286 Afrocity

I just got my "W" DVD I can't wait.

I'll be content to let that one die a slow death in the back room of the video store.

327 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:51:27pm

re: #321 Wishing

Actually, I think Bibi can out-speak him, hands down, which is even better than ugly.

If Bibi gets elected he and Obama would get along like oil and water. Look for him NEVER to be invited to the White House.

328 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:51:48pm

re: #320 Lizard by the Bay

A question for gun-toting Lizards:

I'm looking for a long-gun to add to my home defense arsenal. Specifically, something good for "longer-range" home protection (don't ask). I've been thinking of something rifled for Winchester .308. Any recommendations?

JCM or Iron Fist...one of the two, is having a hell of a time finding .308, it's getting exspensive and hard to find...they would be the ones to ask

329 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:51:48pm

re: #324 Afrocity

i have his pic in my wallet

That's a bit creepy.

330 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:52:03pm

re: #327 Nevergiveup

If Bibi gets elected he and Obama would get along like oil and water. Look for him NEVER to be invited to the White House.

My prayer is that he returns the favor. I don't want to go to Israel, EVER.

331 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:52:18pm

re: #323 screaming_eagle

30-06

Isn't that what the .308 replaced?

332 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:52:19pm

re: #329 Jetpilot1101

That's a bit creepy.

you want to know who is in my wallet?

333 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:52:38pm

re: #330 Wishing

My prayer is that he returns the favor. I don't want to go to Israel, EVER.

Couldn't even spit out his name in same sentence with Israel.

334 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:52:54pm

re: #332 Nevergiveup

you want to know who is in my wallet?

Not unless you want to share; my family is in mine.

335 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:52:59pm

it's possible that Bibi won't want Lieberman in a coalition with him, so he might form a unity government with kadima and some of the religious parties.

336 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:53:01pm

re: #323 screaming_eagle

30-06

.308/30.06.......tomatoes/tomotoes

337 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:53:05pm

re: #332 Nevergiveup

you want to know who is in my wallet?

I was young. I needed the money.

338 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:53:24pm

re: #334 Jetpilot1101

Not unless you want to share; my family is in mine.

That's funny your families in mine also?
/

339 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:53:37pm

Yes, but I was hoping for some specific rifle recommendations.

340 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:53:37pm

re: #322 Cathypop

Did I tell you to get on drugs?

you asked Walter what drugs I might be on or something to that effect beacause I thought a post was funny...I dont need drugs to see humor...what is your point anyway?

341 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:53:51pm

re: #335 abaleh

it's possible that Bibi won't want Lieberman in a coalition with him, so he might form a unity government with kadima and some of the religious parties.

Another one of them rotating Prime Minister things?

342 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:54:14pm

Given my druthers, I would be carrying around portraits of Ben Franklin.

I imagine many of you share my wish.

343 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:54:22pm

Hey all.

Got the cat back, and now I lost his human.

No joke. I have no idea where he is, only that he's in a hospital somewhere. Until he calls me, I can't find him.

344 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:54:23pm

re: #331 Lizard by the Bay

Actually I'm not a rifle expert. I was just refering to your distance issue.

345 FloridaAnole  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:54:32pm

re: #327 Nevergiveup

If Bibi gets elected he and Obama would get along like oil and water. Look for him NEVER to be invited to the White House.

Would Bibi even want to come to the White House and be hectored and lectured by O and his gang of pro-Hamas crazies?

346 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:54:43pm

re: #334 Jetpilot1101

Not unless you want to share; my family is in mine.

As much as I want to carry this year's SI cover girl in my wallet...my wife doesn't allow it..What is up with that?

347 Cathypop  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:54:59pm

re: #340 albusteve

you asked Walter what drugs I might be on or something to that effect beacause I thought a post was funny...I dont need drugs to see humor...what is your point anyway?

Just being funny. Sorry you took it wrong.

348 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:55:12pm

re: #319 Luigi

I never comment on Israeli politics because they're a foreign democracy. However, it's probably best if Livni does not win because it is Obama's nature to consider women his property. He automatically assumes they want to sleep with him and will give him anything he asks for. It will make for a more peaceful world if he has a big ugly man to deal with.

Are you confusing Obama with Bill Clinton?

349 LittleBenny  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:55:12pm

re: #335 abaleh

it's possible that Bibi won't want Lieberman in a coalition with him, so he might form a unity government with kadima and some of the religious parties.

Dangerous...Lieberman is better in opposition at these times. He may grow the party if he stays out of government, but at the same time he also can't possibly miss an opportunity to vote on an Iran strike. 50/50. I;ll say this, though: if it's Likud, Kadima and Labor and/or Shas, we are foooked. All those little parties will grow in the next election.

350 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:55:17pm

re: #346 HoosierHoops

As much as I want to carry this year's SI cover girl in my wallet...my wife doesn't allow it..What is up with that?

Yeah mine won't allow it either.

351 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:55:29pm
352 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:55:30pm

re: #340 albusteve

you asked Walter what drugs I might be on or something to that effect beacause I thought a post was funny...I dont need drugs to see humor...what is your point anyway?

Steve, steve, stop arguing, please, you're on drugs, we all know it. There's nothing to be ashamed of :)

353 Cathypop  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:55:55pm

re: #352 Walter L. Newton

Steve, steve, stop arguing, please, you're on drugs, we all know it. There's nothing to be ashamed of :)

Thank you Walter.

354 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:55:55pm

re: #342 EmmmieG

Given my druthers, I would be carrying around portraits of Ben Franklin.

I imagine many of you share my wish.

Thomas Jefferson.

When he and his cabinet were assembled in the White House, no greater gathering of intelligence was to be found. Except perhaps when Jefferson dined alone.

355 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:56:08pm

re: #347 Cathypop

Just being funny. Sorry you took it wrong.

no problem....pass the Red Stripe :)

356 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:56:34pm

re: #336 Soona'

Yes I know. Rifles aren't exactly my expertise. Small calibers work for me.

357 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:56:34pm

There is almost no chance that Livni will be Prime Minister. But yes, Kadima is apparently the largest party.

358 fish  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:56:37pm

re: #285 Racer X

"I am Corbin Dallas"

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

359 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:56:39pm

re: #355 albusteve

no problem....pass the Red Stripe :)

/white smoke

360 FloridaAnole  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:56:54pm

re: #351 buzzsawmonkey

I would truly enjoy seeing Netanyahu deliver a slap-down to Samantha Power.

Yeah!

361 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:57:25pm

re: #341 Nevergiveup

Another one of them rotating Prime Minister things?

I doubt that; Livni as Foreign Minister or something like that.
For Kadima it would be better than nothing, because if it isn't in the gov't, it would probably break up. It is a party former out of personal interests, and once its members don't have power, they abandon ship like so many rats.

362 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:57:56pm

re: #357 Carl in Jerusalem

There is almost no chance that Livni will be Prime Minister. But yes, Kadima is apparently the largest party.

What are the latest numbers

363 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:57:57pm

re: #358 fish

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

It's light. Handle's adjustable for easy carrying, good for righties and lefties. Breaks down into four parts, undetectable by x-ray, ideal for quick, discreet interventions. A word on firepower. Titanium recharger, three thousand round clip with bursts of three to three hundred, and with the Replay button - another Zorg invention - it's even easier.

364 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:58:02pm

re: #351 buzzsawmonkey

I would truly enjoy seeing Netanyahu deliver a slap-down to Samantha Power.

he could slap O down w/ his whole brain tied behind his back.

365 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:58:10pm

re: #345 FloridaAnole

Would Bibi even want to come to the White House and be hectored and lectured by O and his gang of pro-Hamas crazies?

How would Rahm Emmanuel fit into that scenario?

366 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:58:21pm

re: #342 EmmmieG

Given my druthers, I would be carrying around portraits of Ben Franklin.

I imagine many of you share my wish.

I've never received my druthers. I put in a claim, but I didn't know for what it was worth. I tried to tell someone that all things were being equal, but I was told I was not in a perfect world.

367 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:58:36pm

re: #361 abaleh

I doubt that; Livni as Foreign Minister or something like that.
For Kadima it would be better than nothing, because if it isn't in the gov't, it would probably break up. It is a party former out of personal interests, and once its members don't have power, they abandon ship like so many rats.

former=formed

368 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:58:48pm

re: #351 buzzsawmonkey

I would truly enjoy seeing Netanyahu deliver a slap-down to Samantha Power.

From what I've seen and heard from Netanyahu, that could be a good possibility.

369 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:58:50pm

re: #361 abaleh

I doubt that; Livni as Foreign Minister or something like that.
For Kadima it would be better than nothing, because if it isn't in the gov't, it would probably break up. It is a party former out of personal interests, and once its members don't have power, they abandon ship like so many rats.

I am shocked it has lasted this long

370 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:58:50pm

If I could meet any one famous person it would be John McCain. I mean that.

371 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:59:09pm

re: #363 Walter L. Newton

One of Gary Oldman's great roles.

372 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 4:59:58pm

re: #361 abaleh

I doubt that; Livni as Foreign Minister or something like that.
For Kadima it would be better than nothing, because if it isn't in the gov't, it would probably break up. It is a party former out of personal interests, and once its members don't have power, they abandon ship like so many rats.

no WAY will Livni be FM. NOT A CHANCE. Sorry for caps, but that bit*h is OUT.

373 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:00:07pm

re: #359 Walter L. Newton

/white smoke

my body is a temple....

374 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:00:11pm

re: #361 abaleh

I doubt that; Livni as Foreign Minister or something like that.
For Kadima it would be better than nothing, because if it isn't in the gov't, it would probably break up. It is a party former out of personal interests, and once its members don't have power, they abandon ship like so many rats.

There won't be a rotating government and I'd be shocked if Livni is offered the foreign ministry. Netanyahu doesn't need her. The majority of the MK's are going to tell Peres that Netanyahu should form the next government. The only parties that will recommend Livni are Kadima (29), Labor (12-13) and Meretz (3-4). Even the Arabs aren't going to recommend that Livni form the next government. Unless Lieberman has a change of heart, it's not going to happen.

And it's still possible that the soldiers' votes (not counted yet) will put Likud past Kadima. They're about 1% apart with nearly all the votes counted.

375 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:00:27pm

re: #371 victor_yugo

One of Gary Oldman's great roles.

I don't think I've seen an Oldman role that wasn't great. And typical of actors like him, he has a background in stage.

376 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:00:31pm

re: #269 SummerSong

I thought that Texas was the only state that has the option to secede in their constitution?

I actually am an honorary southern boy.

377 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:00:33pm

re: #370 Afrocity

If I could meet any one famous person it would be John McCain. I mean that.

Patience, my dear. You may someday get your wish.

If you had told me when I graduated high school that, within 22 years, I would have met so many famous people, I would have laughed at you.

378 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:00:51pm
379 jordash1212  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:01:00pm

Don't matter who wins... Hamas will keep fighting until they're eradicated.

380 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:01:02pm

Kadima - 29
Likud - 27
Israel Beitenu - 15
Labor - 13
Shas - 11

381 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:01:21pm

OT: NOVA has a great special on the Dover case right now.

382 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:01:28pm

You had to hear Netanyahu and Livni's speeches tonight to realize that Netanyahu is confident that he will be Prime Minister. Livni sounded like a deer in the headlights.

383 FloridaAnole  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:01:58pm

re: #365 victor_yugo

How would Rahm Emmanuel fit into that scenario?

I doubt they'd let Rahm anywhere near foreign policy. Judging by the secondary and tertiary foreign policy appointments O has been making, I'd say Rahm is window dressing on the foreign policy front, and he will be restricted to running white house ops and domestic policy.

384 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:02:06pm

re: #378 buzzsawmonkey

Does he use performance-enhancing drugs?

BLASPHEMY!.....
so does he?
or is his body a temple?

385 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:02:30pm

re: #382 Carl in Jerusalem

You had to hear Netanyahu and Livni's speeches tonight to realize that Netanyahu is confident that he will be Prime Minister. Livni sounded like a deer in the headlights.

She has been like that since she was promoted from coffee pourer.

386 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:02:36pm

re: #354 victor_yugo

Thomas Jefferson.

When he and his cabinet were assembled in the White House, no greater gathering of intelligence was to be found. Except perhaps when Jefferson dined alone.

I agree with you; Jefferson was one of the greatest minds of his century. (It was a very crowded century, what with Mozart and Adam Smith and everyone.)

However, having a portrait of Franklin is worth fifty times what having a portrait of Jefferson would be. Which brings me to ask why Andrew Jackson gets the $20, but Jefferson only got the neglected $2?

387 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:03:19pm

re: #378 buzzsawmonkey

Does he use performance-enhancing drugs?

Not at this stage in his career.

388 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:03:40pm

re: #382 Carl in Jerusalem

You had to hear Netanyahu and Livni's speeches tonight to realize that Netanyahu is confident that he will be Prime Minister. Livni sounded like a deer in the headlights.

I think you are probably right. With Bibi in power, and I am not saying I would not have voted for Likud, I see a real train wreck coming in US - Israel relations. Hang on to your seat.

389 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:03:45pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

I don't think I've seen an Oldman role that wasn't great. And typical of actors like him, he has a background in stage.

True enough, but the ability to pull off a villainous role with such calm panache isn't very common. Ian McShane's Tai Lung in "Kung Fu Panda" and Mel Gibson's role in "Payback" are examples of what I'm talking about. And Gary Oldman just took it to the next level in T5E.

390 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:04:04pm

re: #324 Afrocity

Leave McCain alone. I know I am new to being a Republican but McCain is the GOP who gave me the faith to leave the Democrats. I love John McCain. i have his pic in my wallet and I admire his service to our country. He is a patriot.

McCain gave us over to Obama. Spit.

391 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:04:17pm

re: #383 FloridaAnole

I doubt they'd let Rahm anywhere near foreign policy. Judging by the secondary and tertiary foreign policy appointments O has been making, I'd say Rahm is window dressing on the foreign policy front, and he will be restricted to running white house ops and domestic policy.

Unless it is going to Kenya to doctor up Obama's birth records.

392 DaddyG  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:04:21pm

re: #386 EmmmieG

Which brings me to ask why Andrew Jackson gets the $20, but Jefferson only got the neglected $2?

Perhaps it was those nasty things he said about the fed being involved in banking. Those reserve guys can really hold a grudge.

393 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:04:27pm

re: #374 Carl in Jerusalem

There won't be a rotating government and I'd be shocked if Livni is offered the foreign ministry. Netanyahu doesn't need her. The majority of the MK's are going to tell Peres that Netanyahu should form the next government. The only parties that will recommend Livni are Kadima (29), Labor (12-13) and Meretz (3-4). Even the Arabs aren't going to recommend that Livni form the next government. Unless Lieberman has a change of heart, it's not going to happen.

And it's still possible that the soldiers' votes (not counted yet) will put Likud past Kadima. They're about 1% apart with nearly all the votes counted.

It's easier for Bibi to have Kadima and Shas in the government with him than Lieberman and Shas, especially after Rabbi Yosef equated Lieberman with the devil. Of course Shas would sit in a government with the devil if the price is right. But I also think that Bibi would be afraid to be with Lieberman because he would steal his spotlight.

394 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:05:13pm

re: #386 EmmmieG

I agree with you; Jefferson was one of the greatest minds of his century.

Actually, you're agreeing with Ronald Reagan, and even he may have gotten the line from someone else.

395 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:05:13pm

re: #389 victor_yugo

True enough, but the ability to pull off a villainous role with such calm panache isn't very common. Ian McShane's Tai Lung in "Kung Fu Panda" and Mel Gibson's role in "Payback" are examples of what I'm talking about. And Gary Oldman just took it to the next level in T5E.

Payback, a seldom seen, less seldom mentioned film, that almost brings Gibson up to the level of great. Not quite, but close.

396 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:05:21pm

re: #385 Wishing

She has been like that since she was promoted from coffee pourer.

Funny you should say that.

The reason Kadima finished ahead is that she ran a blatantly sexist campaign for the last week and women voted for her because she was a woman. The problem for her is that she pulled all her votes from other parties on the left - Labor and Meretz. They're both screwed. And while Kadima is the largest party, the Right will have 64-65 seats in the morning. When you consider that the Arabs (and the Communists) who are never part of the coalition will have 9-10 seats, that's a real majority.

397 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:05:22pm

re: #388 Nevergiveup

I think you are probably right. With Bibi in power, and I am not saying I would not have voted for Likud, I see a real train wreck coming in US - Israel relations. Hang on to your seat.

Hopefully, Israel will just make its way without the US. I think with Bibi at the helm, they have a better chance of doing that.
Not to fear though, *He that keepeth Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps*.

398 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:05:43pm

re: #390 Harry Tuttle

McCain gave us over to Obama. Spit.

I disagree, Conservatives that had a stick up their butts gave POTUS to Obama. How ya like it now?

399 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:05:47pm

re: #370 Afrocity

If I could meet any one famous person it would be John McCain. I mean that.

Hi there! You are a Chicago Lizard..There seems to be so many on this board..We need a lizard meet-up in the windy city this spring...

400 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:06:31pm

re: #390 Harry Tuttle

McCain gave us over to Obama. Spit.

Given the election night figures, the only possible difference was a slimmer margin of defeat for McCain.

401 FloridaAnole  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:06:46pm

re: #391 Afrocity

Unless it is going to Kenya to doctor up Obama's birth records.

Ya think?

402 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:07:03pm

re: #399 HoosierHoops

Hi there! You are a Chicago Lizard..There seems to be so many on this board..We need a lizard meet-up in the windy city this spring...

I am game HoosierHoops. I would really like to be active with the GOP.

403 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:07:15pm

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

Payback, a seldom seen, less seldom mentioned film, that almost brings Gibson up to the level of great. Not quite, but close.

"We made each other a promise. She'd stop turning tricks, I'd stop killing people. Maybe we were aiming high..."

404 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:07:20pm

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

Payback, a seldom seen, less seldom mentioned film, that almost brings Gibson up to the level of great. Not quite, but close.

If the directors cut ever gets released, it might actually do that.

405 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:08:01pm

re: #398 Afrocity

I disagree, Conservatives that had a stick up their butts gave POTUS to Obama. How ya like it now?

I have to agree with you. I was not at all enamored with McCain, but I did vote for him. Party trumped everything for me this time, when I saw Obama.

406 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:08:03pm

re: #393 abaleh

It's easier for Bibi to have Kadima and Shas in the government with him than Lieberman and Shas, especially after Rabbi Yosef equated Lieberman with the devil. Of course Shas would sit in a government with the devil if the price is right. But I also think that Bibi would be afraid to be with Lieberman because he would steal his spotlight.

Bibi wants Lieberman - that was his first phone call. He doesn't want a foreign minister who's going to undermine him all the time. Ask Olmert.

And Lieberman is under investigation and if he's indicted he won't be a major minister anyway. Number 2 on Lieberman's list is Uzi Landau who retired from the Likud after the last election and who is much older than both Lieberman and Bibi. This could work out quite well for Bibi.

But no, he really doesn't want a coalition with Kadima. Even before the election, the discussion about his 'broad coalition' was with Labor (with Barak as defense minister), not with Kadima. The votes Kadima sucked off Labor killed that possibility.

407 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:08:13pm

re: #329 Jetpilot1101 I don't think that is creepy at all. It seems that at this point, this is the standard she is following. She admits being new to the cause. The more she learns about the cause, the better educated she will become. I think McCain is a good starting point. It was for me. I have learned more though and that can only help me.

Good for you Afrocity : ) We all gotta start somewhere.

409 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:08:50pm

re: #397 Wishing

Hopefully, Israel will just make its way without the US. I think with Bibi at the helm, they have a better chance of doing that.
Not to fear though, *He that keepeth Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps*.

I am not just talking about military supplies and assistance from the USA. America has provided Israel with cover at the UN and elsewhere. The ramifications of an openly hostile Obama Administration would not be pretty. Not only for Israel but also for all those Liberal Jews here in America that think they are so protected.

410 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:09:09pm

re: #397 Wishing

Hopefully, Israel will just make its way without the US.

But they have Kosovo on their side!

411 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:09:19pm

re: #400 victor_yugo

Given the election night figures, the only possible difference was a slimmer margin of defeat for McCain.

If McCain used all he had he would have won. Palin was held back, never talked about Rezko, Ayers, Wright so many things. Why? He campaigned for Obama. The electoral college number were 'landslide' the popular numbers very close.

Screw RINO McCain and all the republican criminals.

412 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:09:48pm

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

Payback, a seldom seen, less seldom mentioned film, that almost brings Gibson up to the level of great. Not quite, but close.

A good flick. With a nice black humerous plot.

413 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:10:56pm

re: #404 CyanSnowHawk

If the directors cut ever gets released, it might actually do that.

Something I see in Gibson, just my sense, is that as much as he appears to give his all to a role, I see a control issue. He can't seem to give himself up totally to the character (and probably the director and the rest of the creative team). He's a control freak himself, so, he's never going to forget the process and jump feet first into the character.

My opinion, but I've been around actors since I was 14. Just my sense, as I say.

414 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:11:13pm

re: #412 Soona'

A good flick. With a nice black humerous plot.

A movie I watched with my ex. And don't mind watching still, even now that she's my ex.

415 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:11:37pm

re: #402 Afrocity

I am game HoosierHoops. I would really like to be active with the GOP.

Sounds like fun for springtime..Ok you lizards..we have a lotta local windy city lizards..You'll need to do the planning locally..you hear me 3 wood? But I'll buy the dinner for the lizards in the city..This will be fun

416 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:11:42pm

re: #409 Nevergiveup

I am not just talking about military supplies and assistance from the USA. America has provided Israel with cover at the UN and elsewhere. The ramifications of an openly hostile Obama Administration would not be pretty. Not only for Israel but also for all those Liberal Jews here in America that think they are so protected.

so what can they do?....disavow the UN and forge ahead against her enemies...coupla weeks ago I read Bibi saying he will eradicate Hamas and deal with Iran...there was no mention of US interests...go for it

417 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:11:42pm

re: #388 Nevergiveup

I think you are probably right. With Bibi in power, and I am not saying I would not have voted for Likud, I see a real train wreck coming in US - Israel relations. Hang on to your seat.

We expect those conflicts. And we still voted for a right wing government.

418 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:11:51pm

re: #411 Harry Tuttle

If McCain used all he had he would have won. Palin was held back, never talked about Rezko, Ayers, Wright so many things. Why? He campaigned for Obama. The electoral college number were 'landslide' the popular numbers very close.

Screw RINO McCain and all the republican criminals.

Not to mention McCain Fiengold resulting in Obama spending a bazillion dollars and McCain $10 on the campaign.

419 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:11:53pm

re: #409 Nevergiveup

I am not just talking about military supplies and assistance from the USA. America has provided Israel with cover at the UN and elsewhere. The ramifications of an openly hostile Obama Administration would not be pretty. Not only for Israel but also for all those Liberal Jews here in America that think they are so protected.

My guess is that those that can will find the motivation to head east.

420 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:12:43pm

re: #381 Jetpilot1101

OT: NOVA has a great special on the Dover case right now.

I posted a link in the spin-offs where you can watch that online. That show won't come on for another three hours where I'm at. How is it?

No spoilers, please.
/

421 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:12:50pm

re: #416 albusteve

so what can they do?....disavow the UN and forge ahead against her enemies...coupla weeks ago I read Bibi saying he will eradicate Hamas and deal with Iran...there was no mention of US interests...go for it

It's never that simple.

422 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:13:22pm

re: #409 Nevergiveup

I am not just talking about military supplies and assistance from the USA. America has provided Israel with cover at the UN and elsewhere. The ramifications of an openly hostile Obama Administration would not be pretty. Not only for Israel but also for all those Liberal Jews here in America that think they are so protected.

they might be in for a wake up call.
O does not seem the least bit pro-israel.

423 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:13:23pm

re: #409 Nevergiveup

I am not just talking about military supplies and assistance from the USA. America has provided Israel with cover at the UN and elsewhere. The ramifications of an openly hostile Obama Administration would not be pretty. Not only for Israel but also for all those Liberal Jews here in America that think they are so protected.

That would have happened even if Livni had won today. re: #416 albusteve

so what can they do?....disavow the UN and forge ahead against her enemies...coupla weeks ago I read Bibi saying he will eradicate Hamas and deal with Iran...there was no mention of US interests...go for it

Lieberman insisted tonight that Hamas not be allowed to remain in power in Gaza.

424 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:13:33pm
425 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:14:15pm

re: #420 Slumbering Behemoth

I posted a link in the spin-offs where you can watch that online. That show won't come on for another three hours where I'm at. How is it?

No spoilers, please.
/

So far so good. They are doing an excellent job portraying the history that led up to the Dover case. I have always liked NOVA.

426 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:14:24pm

re: #421 Nevergiveup

It's never that simple.

I know...it seems like men make it more complicated than it is....it's a human thing I guess

427 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:14:26pm

re: #418 Harry Tuttle

Not to mention McCain Fiengold resulting in Obama spending a bazillion dollars and McCain $10 on the campaign.

*And* you realize that due to McCain Fielgold the MCCain campaign will be audited for 'fairness' while the Obama campaing will not. Isn't that nice!

Couldn't have worked out better for comrade Obama.

428 fish  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:14:31pm

re: #363 Walter L. Newton

It's light. Handle's adjustable for easy carrying, good for righties and lefties. Breaks down into four parts, undetectable by x-ray, ideal for quick, discreet interventions. A word on firepower. Titanium recharger, three thousand round clip with bursts of three to three hundred, and with the Replay button - another Zorg invention - it's even easier.

A real killer would have asked what the little red button is for.

429 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:14:32pm

re: #386 EmmmieG

Which brings me to ask why Andrew Jackson gets the $20, but Jefferson only got the neglected $2?

Thomas Jefferson would not be happy that his face was on paper money in the USA. He had a serious problem with paper money.

430 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:14:35pm

re: #406 Carl in Jerusalem

Bibi wants Lieberman - that was his first phone call. He doesn't want a foreign minister who's going to undermine him all the time. Ask Olmert.

And Lieberman is under investigation and if he's indicted he won't be a major minister anyway. Number 2 on Lieberman's list is Uzi Landau who retired from the Likud after the last election and who is much older than both Lieberman and Bibi. This could work out quite well for Bibi.

But no, he really doesn't want a coalition with Kadima. Even before the election, the discussion about his 'broad coalition' was with Labor (with Barak as defense minister), not with Kadima. The votes Kadima sucked off Labor killed that possibility.

That makes sense.
So who do you think will be in his coalition? Labor, Lieberman, and? (please don't say Shas, please don't say Shas)

431 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:15:17pm

re: #411 Harry Tuttle

Please.

With the media riding his crotch Obama would have beaten anyone the GOP threw out there, including Ronald Reagan in his prime.

The One™ was not to be denied.

432 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:15:25pm

re: #416 albusteve

so what can they do?....disavow the UN and forge ahead against her enemies...coupla weeks ago I read Bibi saying he will eradicate Hamas and deal with Iran...there was no mention of US interests...go for it

Just a question that's been bothering me. I the zero takes away US military support from Israel, could some other country, like say, South Africa take up the slack?

433 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:15:27pm

re: #415 HoosierHoops

Just let me know how to reach you. I live near lake in very nice hi-rise with party room/hot tub. Could be nice for an intimate gathering of 30 people or so.

434 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:16:54pm

re: #425 Jetpilot1101

So far so good. They are doing an excellent job portraying the history that led up to the Dover case. I have always liked NOVA.

They have a channel on Hulu, as well.

435 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:16:59pm

re: #432 Soona'

Just a question that's been bothering me. I the zero takes away US military support from Israel, could some other country, like say, South Africa take up the slack?

No and as I said up above, it's also the Political cover in the International Scene and at the UN were America's support of Israel is important.

436 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:17:05pm

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

Payback, a seldom seen, less seldom mentioned film, that almost brings Gibson up to the level of great. Not quite, but close.

i agree.
great?
not quite, but close.
but he was so hot in "braveheart" who cares?

437 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:17:09pm

re: #423 Carl in Jerusalem

Lieberman insisted tonight that Hamas not be allowed to remain in power in Gaza.

a final definitive resolution against Hamas is a must...they have to start somewhere and Gaza is an immediate threat

438 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:17:47pm

Livni calls on Bibi to join her gov't

Kadima leader Tzipi Livni called on Likud chairman Binyamin Netanyahu Tuesday night to join a Kadima-led coalition, rather then trying to form a Likud government.

Addressing supporters at the party's headquarters in Tel Aviv, Livni claimed victory in the elections. "The people have chosen - Kadima," she said to applause.

/heh

439 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:17:57pm

re: #434 Slumbering Behemoth

They have a channel on Hulu, as well.

Awesome, good to know. Maybe Charles with post a thread on this, it is very informative.

440 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:18:01pm
441 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:18:13pm

re: #430 abaleh

That makes sense.
So who do you think will be in his coalition? Labor, Lieberman, and? (please don't say Shas, please don't say Shas)

I'd bet Shas will be in but not with all their demands. They will give on some of them. For example, I don't believe Bibi will restore the child allowances (or at least I hope he won't - I already pay in five times what I take out and my kids are getting older). Figure National Union and Jewish Home will be in. And probably UTJ - they don't take ministries anyway.

442 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:18:24pm

re: #432 Soona'

Just a question that's been bothering me. I the zero takes away US military support from Israel, could some other country, like say, South Africa take up the slack?

Doubtful, seriously. The good news is that the shekel is gaining while the dollar is dropping.
Wait let me double check that.

443 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:18:39pm

re: #440 buzzsawmonkey

South Africa is devolving into chaos. Whites have been fleeing the violence there since the majority government took over; blacks, too, are now fleeing. The ANC people who run the South African government are Communist and have no particular love for Israel.

Even the ANC "jews" hate Israel

444 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:18:48pm

J Post says it's even. Is it?

445 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:18:55pm

re: #411 Harry Tuttle

If McCain used all he had he would have won. Palin was held back, never talked about Rezko, Ayers, Wright so many things. Why? He campaigned for Obama. The electoral college number were 'landslide' the popular numbers very close.

Screw RINO McCain and all the republican criminals.

You GOP's want more AA's to come to republican party right? Well you are not going to get us with scary ass right wingers like Huckabee and Mitt Romney. McCain/Palin was a brilliant ticket. Conservatives blew it by staying home.

446 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:19:05pm

re: #428 fish

A real killer would have asked what the little red button is for.

No No No, not the RED one, don't ever push the RED one.

447 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:19:13pm
448 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:19:23pm

re: #431 Racer X

Please.

With the media riding his crotch Obama would have beaten anyone the GOP threw out there, including Ronald Reagan in his prime.

The One™ was not to be denied.

Think whatever you want.

449 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:19:33pm

re: #444 MandyManners

J Post says it's even. Is it?

Welcome back. Loved that little swim suit of yours. Any more pics?

450 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:19:38pm

re: #442 Wishing

Doubtful, seriously. The good news is that the shekel is gaining while the dollar is dropping.
Wait let me double check that.

4 shekel = 1 US $

451 FloridaAnole  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:19:46pm

re: #411 Harry Tuttle

If McCain used all he had he would have won. Palin was held back, never talked about Rezko, Ayers, Wright so many things. Why? He campaigned for Obama. The electoral college number were 'landslide' the popular numbers very close.

Screw RINO McCain and all the republican criminals.

And McCain's endorser, our RINO governor Charlie Crist, is touring the state (of Florida) with Obama today, Kissing O's posterior fundament, praising him to the skies, presumably to get some of that Great Socialist Takeover pork. At this point I'd laugh like hell if Obama stiffs him.

452 Truck Monkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:19:55pm

re: #422 nyc redneck

they might be in for a wake up call.
O does not seem the least bit pro-israel.

He makes Jimmah Carter look like a Rabbi.

453 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:20:00pm

re: #438 Killian Bundy

Livni calls on Bibi to join her gov't

/heh

You'll note that Bibi isn't calling for Kadima to join his government. That ought to tell you something.

454 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:20:03pm

re: #432 Soona'

Just a question that's been bothering me. I the zero takes away US military support from Israel, could some other country, like say, South Africa take up the slack?

a question I've asked before...nobody seems to know...besides arms what can BO or any president offer Israel?....if we dont aid them who will...they can afford to protect themselves once or twice more...good question

455 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:20:14pm

re: #440 buzzsawmonkey

South Africa is devolving into chaos. Whites have been fleeing the violence there since the majority government took over; blacks, too, are now fleeing. The ANC people who run the South African government are Communist and have no particular love for Israel.

Oh. Are there any other countries that could do this. Poland? Romania?

456 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:20:21pm

re: #443 Nevergiveup

Even the ANC "jews" hate Israel

That's true. Google Ronnie Kassel.

457 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:20:32pm

re: #448 Harry Tuttle

Think whatever you want.

NOW you tell me?

/

458 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:20:33pm

re: #449 Walter L. Newton

Welcome back. Loved that little swim suit of yours. Any more pics?

Fresh out.

459 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:20:45pm

re: #445 Afrocity

McCain/Palin was a brilliant ticket.

McCain is not a conservative - that is what blew it mainly.

460 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:20:55pm

re: #454 albusteve

a question I've asked before...nobody seems to know...besides arms what can BO or any president offer Israel?....if we dont aid them who will...they can afford to protect themselves once or twice more...good question


You can't be serious are you?

461 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:21:07pm

re: #433 Afrocity

Just let me know how to reach you. I live near lake in very nice hi-rise with party room/hot tub. Could be nice for an intimate gathering of 30 people or so.

That's really cool.. I've invited a few choice lizards to the Suite we have for the Indy500..We do the fast friday every year..It;s free food and booze at the track.. If you like racing this is the place to be..Neighbor..
Where should we eat dinner in Chicago? I'd like to do a big dinner and a powerpoint about LGF and video Charles in for some fun and questions.
A fun weekend in Chicago...

462 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:21:13pm

re: #444 MandyManners

J Post says it's even. Is it?

That depends what you call even. But it's irrelevant. Livni has no chance of forming a government.

463 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:21:15pm

re: #444 MandyManners

J Post says it's even. Is it?

Mandy the number of seats won ius't the only issue. The real issue is, Who can form a government?
Kadima can't do it.
Likud will, with the help of Labor and Yisrael Beteinu and the religious parties.

464 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:21:39pm

re: #435 Nevergiveup

No and as I said up above, it's also the Political cover in the International Scene and at the UN were America's support of Israel is important.

the UN is an enemy of Israel....why is US support for Israel at the UN important?...I dont see it

465 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:21:46pm

re: #445 Afrocity

You GOP's want more AA's to come to republican party right? Well you are not going to get us with scary ass right wingers like Huckabee and Mitt Romney. McCain/Palin was a brilliant ticket. Conservatives blew it by staying home.

Then what do you think of Michael Steele as RNC chairman?

466 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:21:55pm

re: #445 Afrocity
I do firmly believe that Sarah Palin was held back though. It's like they brought her out to tremendous applause and then tried to push her back behind the curtain. Damn shame that was. I saw her in person and she is very intelligent and well spoken. I think people were afraid of her because she didn't have a fancy Hah-vahd accent. She is a true representative of the average American IMO

467 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:22:16pm

re: #459 Harry Tuttle

McCain is not a conservative - that is what blew it mainly.

So I take it you voted for Obama.

468 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:22:20pm

re: #450 Wishing

4 shekel = 1 US $

Please don't tell me things like that - I get paid mostly in dollars. It was about 4.07 last week.

Just don't let it fall back to 3.25 like last March.

469 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:22:37pm

re: #458 MandyManners

Fresh out.

That's ok. if you're fresh out of swinsuits, that would look good to.

470 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:22:52pm

re: #462 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #463 Wishing

So, Netanyahu will form a government?

I apologize for my ignorance about the parliamentary system.

471 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:23:03pm

re: #467 Afrocity

So I take it you voted for Obama.

Take whatever you want.

472 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:23:25pm

re: #464 albusteve

the UN is an enemy of Israel....why is US support for Israel at the UN important?...I dont see it

You want a "BINDING" resolution against Israel to be voted on unanimously at the UN security council and a "NO FLY" zone created over Israel to "protect" the Palestinians?

473 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:23:42pm

re: #467 Afrocity

So I take it you voted for Obama.

LOL!

Zing.

474 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:23:48pm

re: #448 Harry Tuttle

Think whatever you want.

Reagan won because the country hated Carter. He was a B-movie actor who had switched party alliances and governed California. His Hollywood connections kept the uber-liberal movie establishment at bay during his campaign.

McCain had no such, and the LLL/MSM felt free to kick their biases into overdrive. In fact, they believed they needed to, to counteract the big bad Intarwebs.

A different campaign from McCain would only have changed the margins.

475 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:23:48pm

re: #465 Soona'

Then what do you think of Michael Steele as RNC chairman?

I love Michael Steele and we need more like him in the GOP.
He is the real deal.

476 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:23:55pm

WA lawmakers are getting desperate.

Washington lawmaker wants huge porn tax

Now if the Flynt bailout comes through we'll be robbing Peter to pay Dick.

477 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:23:59pm
478 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:24:13pm

re: #454 albusteve

a question I've asked before...nobody seems to know...besides arms what can BO or any president offer Israel?....if we dont aid them who will...they can afford to protect themselves once or twice more...good question

The US gives Israel about $3 billion per year. Yes, some of that goes to purchase American arms, but not all of it. There are lots of cooperative development programs between the two countries.

And the US protects us in the UN. Obama doesn't even have to act against us directly. Just abtaining on a Chapter 7 vote in the Security Council is enough.

479 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:24:41pm

re: #468 Carl in Jerusalem

Please don't tell me things like that - I get paid mostly in dollars. It was about 4.07 last week.

Just don't let it fall back to 3.25 like last March.

Actually, when the $ went into free fall, Israel did their bit by buying dollars.
Keep a close eye on Israel, invest there if you can.

480 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:25:10pm

re: #476 jcm

WA lawmakers are getting desperate.

Washington lawmaker wants huge porn tax

Now if the Flynt bailout comes through we'll be robbing Peter to pay Dick.

I thought the "pole" tax was abolished?

481 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:25:14pm

re: #463 Wishing

Mandy the number of seats won ius't the only issue. The real issue is, Who can form a government?
Kadima can't do it.
Likud will, with the help of Labor and Yisrael Beteinu and the religious parties.

Labor says they're going to opposition. That party is going to tear itself a part within a week. The knives were out tonight.

482 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:25:43pm

re: #476 jcm

WA lawmakers are getting desperate.

Washington lawmaker wants huge porn tax

Now if the Flynt bailout comes through we'll be robbing Peter to pay Dick.

HAHAHAHA!

483 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:25:49pm

re: #481 Carl in Jerusalem

Labor says they're going to opposition. That party is going to tear itself a part within a week. The knives were out tonight.

If that happens were do you see barak landing

484 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:26:12pm

re: #476 jcm

How can they tax something that's free? Don't tell me people still pay for that stuff in the interweb age.
/

485 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:26:14pm

re: #466 UberInfidel67

I do firmly believe that Sarah Palin was held back though. It's like they brought her out to tremendous applause and then tried to push her back behind the curtain. Damn shame that was. I saw her in person and she is very intelligent and well spoken. I think people were afraid of her because she didn't have a fancy Hah-vahd accent. She is a true representative of the average American IMO

She was assassinated by the MSM.
She knew how to connect with the people and not in a phoney Kool Aid stupor way like Obama. I hope she runs in 2012

Palin/Steele 2012

486 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:26:23pm

re: #476 jcm

WA lawmakers are getting desperate.

Washington lawmaker wants huge porn tax

Now if the Flynt bailout comes through we'll be robbing Peter to pay Dick.

I guess people are falling on hard times.

487 Soona'  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:26:31pm

Gotta go. The storms are abating for now. Good time to run to the car.
(no umbrella)

488 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:26:40pm

re: #483 Nevergiveup

If that happens were do you see barak landing

I think Barak will remain defense minister for the time being.

489 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:27:08pm

re: #488 Wishing

I think Barak will remain defense minister for the time being.

Under either Livni or Bibi?

490 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:27:23pm

re: #461 HoosierHoops

Plenty of places to get dinner. Name your large intestinal poison

491 Truck Monkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:27:24pm

re: #459 Harry Tuttle

McCain is not a conservative - that is what blew it mainly.

Why vote for a "kind of liberal" when the other option is a full blown communist?

492 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:27:33pm

re: #489 Nevergiveup

Under either Livni or Bibi?

Livni is going home. Under Bibi, of course.

493 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:27:51pm

re: #485 Afrocity
Yeah the MSM really did a number on her also. Bastards....alll of them. Well she has now started her own PAC so I am curious to see what will be going on in the near future.

494 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:27:55pm

re: #483 Nevergiveup

If that happens were do you see barak landing

On a heliport somewhere in Eretz Israel.

495 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:28:05pm

re: #491 Truck Monkey

Why vote for a "kind of liberal" when the other option is a full blown communist?

BINGO.

496 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:28:06pm

re: #470 MandyManners

re: #463 Wishing

So, Netanyahu will form a government?

I apologize for my ignorance about the parliamentary system.

Go here. I explained the whole thing.

497 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:28:30pm

re: #441 Carl in Jerusalem

I'd bet Shas will be in but not with all their demands. They will give on some of them. For example, I don't believe Bibi will restore the child allowances (or at least I hope he won't - I already pay in five times what I take out and my kids are getting older). Figure National Union and Jewish Home will be in. And probably UTJ - they don't take ministries anyway.


re: #483 Nevergiveup

If that happens were do you see barak landing

Back in his penthouse.

498 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:28:35pm

re: #483 Nevergiveup

If that happens were do you see barak landing

In public speaking. That's what he did after 2001.

499 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:28:45pm

re: #492 Wishing

Livni is going home. Under Bibi, of course.

What is their relationship like? Or lack there of?

500 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:28:48pm

re: #484 Slumbering Behemoth

How can they tax something that's free? Don't tell me people still pay for that stuff in the interweb age.
/

It's point of sale in WA, not innerwebz. But WA has looked very hard at how to collect state sales taxes from out of state vendors.

501 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:28:57pm

re: #491 Truck Monkey

Hey, at least we didn't elect a gawt-damned RINO, right?
/

502 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:29:08pm

re: #498 Carl in Jerusalem

In public speaking. That's what he did after 2001.

He claims tonight he's staying but their constitution requires new elections within 14 months and it's likely to happen sooner.

503 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:29:39pm

re: #491 Truck Monkey

Why vote for a "kind of liberal" when the other option is a full blown communist?

Former Communist David Horowitz disagrees. Given the choice between the Chicago politics of 0bama, and the outright Marxism of Biden, he'll take the former any day.

504 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:29:39pm

Mandy:
Yes, it looks like Bibi will be forming a coalition government, primarily Likud, Labor, Yisrael Beteinu and the religious parties.

505 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:29:39pm

re: #477 buzzsawmonkey

Because the US has, in the past, vetoed a number of UN resolutions which would have injured Israel--and it has been the sole voice doing so.

Without the US veto at the UN, there would be much stronger and much more uninterrupted condemnation of Israel pouring out of that sinkhole--which would give color and cover to other countries' anti-Israeli actions.

everyone condemns Israel now...of course I dont want to see Israel injured by stepping out in front of the US...so where does it end?....is the US pressuring the UN to soften it's stance with Israel?...what's in it for them?....is Israel forever joined at the hip with a bigger stronger US?...if so what happens when BO stiffs them?....I'm looking at solutions not endless political games that get Jew killed

506 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:29:55pm

re: #474 victor_yugo

Reagan won because the country hated Carter. He was a B-movie actor who had switched party alliances and governed California. His Hollywood connections kept the uber-liberal movie establishment at bay during his campaign.

McCain had no such, and the LLL/MSM felt free to kick their biases into overdrive. In fact, they believed they needed to, to counteract the big bad Intarwebs.

A different campaign from McCain would only have changed the margins.

Obama was a fast moving Kool Aid train that was not going to stop. GOP whiners should be glad McCain was there because if they think Mitt Romney or Huckabee would have done better they need their heads examined.

507 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:30:00pm

re: #488 Wishing

I think Barak will remain defense minister for the time being.

Not a chance. Labor got way too few mandates.

Look for Yaalon or Eitam to be defense minister unless Lieberman wants it.

508 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:30:17pm

re: #476 jcm

WA lawmakers are getting desperate.

Washington lawmaker wants huge porn tax

Now if the Flynt bailout comes through we'll be robbing Peter to pay Dick.

Excellent, jcm....too funny!

509 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:30:38pm

re: #499 Nevergiveup

What is their relationship like? Or lack there of?

Barak is the military guy for now. Bibi will leave that position be...again, at least for the time being, for stability, etc.

510 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:30:54pm
511 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:31:05pm

re: #499 Nevergiveup

What is their relationship like? Or lack there of?

Livni was Sharon's protege. Bibi was his rival.

'Nuff said.

512 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:31:35pm

re: #501 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey, at least we didn't elect a gawt-damned RINO, right?
/

WTF did get elected? After the presser yesterday and that joke Geithner today, ....................well, shit.

513 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:31:39pm

re: #506 Afrocity

Obama was a fast moving Kool Aid train that was not going to stop. GOP whiners should be glad McCain was there because if they think Mitt Romney or Huckabee would have done better they need their heads examined.

I will, however, agree w/ Rush that the MSM propped up McCain during the primaries, in order to knock him down in the general election.

514 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:31:48pm

re: #496 Carl in Jerusalem

Go here. I explained the whole thing.

Thanks!

515 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:32:01pm

re: #504 Wishing

Mandy:
Yes, it looks like Bibi will be forming a coalition government, primarily Likud, Labor, Yisrael Beteinu and the religious parties.

Fixed it.

Add in National Union and Jewish Home which are quasi-religious parties.

516 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:32:20pm

email from midwestgak

Another step forward. Received the Leopard upgrade in the mail. jcm informed me I needed additional memory and is correct. I made an Apple Store appointment for tomorrow morning to get additional memory and have the experts install everything that is needed to get my computer functioning in today's software world (within budget, of course.) Can't waste anymore time waiting for online-ordered upgrades.

I wish I could have been able to lurk today with the Gazillion dollar budget being passed. It now goes to committee. Then? arg.

Thanks again for all your support. See you soon.

517 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:32:37pm

re: #491 Truck Monkey

I would pic McCain over Chocolate Covered Kerry any day. Any Conservative that sat out deserves what Obama is going to give them.
Hmm McCain or the anti-christ. yeah that sure was a tough choice.

518 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:32:40pm

re: #515 Carl in Jerusalem

Fixed it.

Add in National Union and Jewish Home which are quasi-religious parties.

You think Bibi will replace Barak right off? I sure don't.

519 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:33:08pm

re: #431 Racer X

Please.

With the media riding his crotch Obama would have beaten anyone the GOP threw out there, including Ronald Reagan in his prime.

The One™ was not to be denied.

There was a 7% difference in the popular vote, in favor of a candidate, adored by the media, who outspent his opponent by something like a 3:1 margin, and who was running against a candidate that in the final days of the campaign appeared to want to lose. Hardly a mandate, and in retrospect, he could have been beaten, almost easily, provided the RNC had managed to get its act together. I swear the RNC looked like the DNC of '00 and '04.

520 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:33:13pm

re: #506 Afrocity
I think a victory for the O was planned all along...from all sides. They thought that bringing in Palin would destroy the R party...maybe it did. But it also revived it for a little while. So many people are saying that they didn't vote for McCain, but for Palin. When they saw she wasn't some push over, they got scared and had to rip her to pieces in the media and such.

521 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:33:26pm

re: #470 MandyManners

re: #463 Wishing

So, Netanyahu will form a government?

I apologize for my ignorance about the parliamentary system.

i don't know anything abt. it either.

522 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:33:29pm

re: #518 Wishing

You think Bibi will replace Barak right off? I sure don't.

He'll have to. Labor isn't going into a right-wing coalition led by Likud.

523 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:33:33pm

re: #517 Afrocity

Hmm McCain or the anti-christ. yeah that sure was a tough choice.

LMAO

524 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:33:48pm

re: #505 albusteve

everyone condemns Israel now...of course I dont want to see Israel injured by stepping out in front of the US...so where does it end?....is the US pressuring the UN to soften it's stance with Israel?...what's in it for them?....is Israel forever joined at the hip with a bigger stronger US?...if so what happens when BO stiffs them?....I'm looking at solutions not endless political games that get Jew killed

Everyone may condemn and blame Israel, but as long as there is no "Binding" or as Carl correctly called it a "Chapter 7" resolution, they have no force behind them. It is a huge difference. Any Non Chapter 7 resolution is basically only a suggestion, essentially not much more than a worthless General Assembly resolution. Binding Chapter 7 resolutions by the Security Council can cut off all trade with a country and authorize Military action against that country.

525 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:34:12pm

re: #522 Carl in Jerusalem

He'll have to. Labor isn't going into a right-wing coalition led by Likud.

Barak does his own thing, by and large. It wont surprise me a bit.

526 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:34:13pm

re: #510 buzzsawmonkey

There are no solutions. There are only endless political games until Moshiach comes.

well damn...I want Israel to prevail...now!

527 J.S.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:34:26pm

re: #417 Carl in Jerusalem

There was a report on CNN (iirc) from an individual (not a "friend" of Israel, imo) who claimed that everything depends on whether there's a "strong" coalition or a "weak" coalition...Then the person noted that if there were a "strong" coalition, then "bold steps" could be taken "for the peace process" (ie, translation: "making concessions to Arab demands" 'cause Tzipi's at the helm); but if there was a "weak" or shaky coalition, then it'd be more of the "status quo" (same old, same old...or continuing conflicts with HAMAS, etc.)

528 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:34:34pm

re: #511 Carl in Jerusalem

Livni was Sharon's protege. Bibi was his rival.

'Nuff said.

yeah that i know I mean Bibi and Barak

529 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:34:57pm

re: #521 nyc redneck

i don't know anything abt. it either.

Go here and you will understand all.

Call me in the morning if you don't. It's 3:30 AM and I still have work to do tonight and I have to be up in two hours....

530 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:35:16pm

Hola, Lizards.

531 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:35:31pm

re: #527 J.S.

There was a report on CNN (iirc) from an individual (not a "friend" of Israel, imo) who claimed that everything depends on whether there's a "strong" coalition or a "weak" coalition...Then the person noted that if there were a "strong" coalition, then "bold steps" could be taken "for the peace process" (ie, translation: "making concessions to Arab demands" 'cause Tzipi's at the helm); but if there was a "weak" or shaky coalition, then it'd be more of the "status quo" (same old, same old...or continuing conflicts with HAMAS, etc.)

Kadima has NEVER been a strong coalition. Your friend's comments are a puzzlement.

532 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:35:37pm
533 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:35:55pm

re: #520 UberInfidel67

Mitt Romney stabbed Sarah Palin in the back .

If he is the GOP nominee in 2012. i will sit out.

534 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:36:01pm

re: #490 Afrocity

Plenty of places to get dinner. Name your large intestinal poison

LOL
Sounds like fun..oh..as you get to know me..I'm a food freak..You think FBV is bad..I make him look like a sissy..It's funny really and I have lots of stories..But the only thing I ate in high school for breakfast was rice and milk..
I'm weird

535 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:36:32pm

re: #517 Afrocity

I would pic McCain over Chocolate Covered Kerry any day. Any Conservative that sat out deserves what Obama is going to give them.
Hmm McCain or the anti-christ. yeah that sure was a tough choice.

You're on a roll - with more updings than posts.

Keep it up!

536 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:36:40pm

re: #527 J.S.

There was a report on CNN (iirc) from an individual (not a "friend" of Israel, imo) who claimed that everything depends on whether there's a "strong" coalition or a "weak" coalition...Then the person noted that if there were a "strong" coalition, then "bold steps" could be taken "for the peace process" (ie, translation: "making concessions to Arab demands" 'cause Tzipi's at the helm); but if there was a "weak" or shaky coalition, then it'd be more of the "status quo" (same old, same old...or continuing conflicts with HAMAS, etc.)

We're likely to have a strong coalition against further concessions. Even the people who want to make concessions know it can't be done now. Except for Kadima.

537 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:36:43pm

re: #533 Afrocity

Mitt Romney stabbed Sarah Palin in the back .

If he is the GOP nominee in 2012. i will sit out.

And then we'll get stuck with this Obama or another Obama. Now lets not start acting like a child now?

538 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:36:47pm

re: #524 Nevergiveup

Everyone may condemn and blame Israel, but as long as there is no "Binding" or as Carl correctly called it a "Chapter 7" resolution, they have no force behind them. It is a huge difference. Any Non Chapter 7 resolution is basically only a suggestion, essentially not much more than a worthless General Assembly resolution. Binding Chapter 7 resolutions by the Security Council can cut off all trade with a country and authorize Military action against that country.

therefore we need to quit the UN and take Israel with us....the SC is a joke

539 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:36:52pm

re: #534 HoosierHoops
I'm weird

'Nuff said.

540 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:37:07pm
541 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:37:08pm

re: #474 victor_yugo

Reagan won because the country hated Carter. He was a B-movie actor who had switched party alliances and governed California. His Hollywood connections kept the uber-liberal movie establishment at bay during his campaign.

McCain had no such, and the LLL/MSM felt free to kick their biases into overdrive. In fact, they believed they needed to, to counteract the big bad Intarwebs.

A different campaign from McCain would only have changed the margins.

He had successfully governed California. That was important.

542 J.S.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:37:41pm

re: #531 Wishing

That was from a "commentator" at CNN, and not a friend...(it's more or less the Arabs in AmeriKKKa point of view).

543 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:37:43pm

Okay, all, very stressful day, so I'm going to check out and geek out for a while. Play nice, k?

544 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:37:45pm

re: #533 Afrocity
I feel like the whole damn party stabbed her in the back. You cannot sit out though. It will be just like this election....RINO or antichrist. You HAVE to pick the lesser of two evils. Those who sat out this election are gonna learn that REAL soon.

545 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:37:49pm

re: #538 albusteve

therefore we need to quit the UN and take Israel with us....the SC is a joke

We can't quit the UN unless we wreck it and the Security Council at the same time.

546 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:38:04pm

re: #542 J.S.

That was from a "commentator" at CNN, and not a friend...(it's more or less the Arabs in AmeriKKKa point of view).

Well then, consider the source, eh?

547 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:38:11pm

re: #529 Carl in Jerusalem

Go here and you will understand all.

Call me in the morning if you don't. It's 3:30 AM and I still have work to do tonight and I have to be up in two hours....

That is a great summary Carl. Thanks.

548 abaleh  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:38:22pm

Good night all.
I have to wake up for work in 3 hours, so I better go to sleep first.
Guess I'll find out how it all works out tomorrow.

549 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:38:38pm

re: #540 buzzsawmonkey

It would be cool if I were able to time one of my Chicago visits with a Lizard Meet.

Me too. Unfortunately I usually go there only for Christmas..........

550 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:38:55pm

re: #539 Wishing

I'm weird

'Nuff said.

Snarl the Cigar Box Frackle

551 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:39:07pm

And let me say this to all of the chattering class that so much focuses on those little, tiny - yes - porky amendments: the American people really don't care.

You know what Schmuckster? I do care it's my money.
AND FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON!

552 J.S.  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:39:17pm

re: #546 Wishing

Exactly. Reverse it, then it becomes "of interest."

553 twincitiesgirl  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:39:31pm

re: #534 HoosierHoops

LOL
Sounds like fun..oh..as you get to know me..I'm a food freak..You think FBV is bad..I make him look like a sissy..It's funny really and I have lots of stories..But the only thing I ate in high school for breakfast was rice and milk..
I'm weird

Was your mom named Peggy by any chance? Rice and milk with cinnamon and sugar?

554 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:39:44pm

re: #521 nyc redneck

i don't know anything abt. it either.

Carl has it.

555 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:39:53pm

Good evening.

I watched Kudlow on CNBC, and they ripped Geithner wide open tonight for his pratfall today on TV. Upshot is, after all the build up, all the dlay, all the talking about how brilliant this guy is, for him to pretty much just come out and say they were going to try a bunch of thing, give no specifics, and hope for the best is why the market tanked again today.

The consensus wasthat if Geithner had announced that "mark to market" was being suspended, the market would have jumped 400 points.

Then in just the last hour or so, apparently in an attempt to breath life intot he already waning career of tim Geithner, Dodd is apparently running around saying that "mark to market" was likely to be suspended.

Yo Dodd! That same rumor foated around last week and the market jumped 200 points cause of it, I don't think that will work twice.


If Geithner is too thinck to grasp the sillyness of valuing a 20 year asset with a spot market price, then find somebody else who can get it.

The market has about had it with Geithner already. Obama is not far behind either.

556 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:39:57pm

re: #551 jcm

And let me say this to all of the chattering class that so much focuses on those little, tiny - yes - porky amendments: the American people really don't care.

[Video]

You know what Schmuckster? I do care it's my money.
AND FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON!

He is one of those people who if I ever met, I would NOT shake his hand

557 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:40:00pm

re: #545 Nevergiveup

We can't quit the UN unless we wreck it and the Security Council at the same time.

I'd vote for that.

558 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:40:25pm

re: #545 Nevergiveup

We can't quit the UN unless we wreck it and the Security Council at the same time.

fine with me...I know I'm being argumentative but it just seems like all reason has failed...and besides that I hate the UN with a passion and am looking for some kind of new paradigm where Israel can live peacefully...even if it means destruction of her enemies

559 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:40:27pm

re: #554 MandyManners

Carl has it.

got it,
thanks mandy.

560 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:40:33pm

re: #540 buzzsawmonkey

It would be cool if I were able to time one of my Chicago visits with a Lizard Meet.

Dude..That would be awesome..of course we would need metal detectors around the Hotel..But that is a wonderful idea Buzz...Spring? Summer?

561 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:41:03pm

re: #533 Afrocity

Mitt Romney stabbed Sarah Palin in the back .

If he is the GOP nominee in 2012. i will sit out.

Wouldn't that be doing the same as those who sat out because McCain wasn't conservative enough?

562 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:41:12pm

re: #476 jcm

WA lawmakers are getting desperate.

Washington lawmaker wants huge porn tax

Now if the Flynt bailout comes through we'll be robbing Peter to pay Dick.

That would probably be a stiff tax.

563 Truck Monkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:41:23pm

re: #506 Afrocity

Obama was a fast moving Kool Aid train that was not going to stop. GOP whiners should be glad McCain was there because if they think Mitt Romney or Huckabee would have done better they need their heads examined.

Eau contraire. Real true conservatism wins every time it is run. Obama would not have beaten Ronald Reagan this or any other election. McCain got my vote because I had no where else to go. I didn't like any of the candidates this cycle. I do like Palin and think that she helped McCain with the base. I would bet that there are people on this board that sat it out because of McCain being the top of the ticket.

564 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:41:27pm

re: #557 screaming_eagle

I'd vote for that.

Well me to, but how? And anyway Obama ain't doing that.

565 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:41:33pm

re: #556 Nevergiveup

He is one of those people who if I ever met, I would NOT shake his hand

like O and murtha, kerry,

566 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:42:05pm
567 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:42:32pm

re: #539 Wishing

I'm weird

'Nuff said.

I updinged you for insulting me..Need I say more? :)

568 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:42:38pm
569 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:42:57pm

re: #555 3 wood

Good evening.

I watched Kudlow on CNBC, and they ripped Geithner wide open tonight for his pratfall today on TV. Upshot is, after all the build up, all the dlay, all the talking about how brilliant this guy is, for him to pretty much just come out and say they were going to try a bunch of thing, give no specifics, and hope for the best is why the market tanked again today.

The consensus wasthat if Geithner had announced that "mark to market" was being suspended, the market would have jumped 400 points.

Then in just the last hour or so, apparently in an attempt to breath life intot he already waning career of tim Geithner, Dodd is apparently running around saying that "mark to market" was likely to be suspended.

Yo Dodd! That same rumor foated around last week and the market jumped 200 points cause of it, I don't think that will work twice.

If Geithner is too thinck to grasp the sillyness of valuing a 20 year asset with a spot market price, then find somebody else who can get it.

The market has about had it with Geithner already. Obama is not far behind either.

A few more days of Obama's fear mongering, Geithner removing all doubt that he isn't up to the task, and Schumer, and Dodd, and Pelosi.....I'm pretty sure Obama is right about the US not recovering.

570 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:43:21pm

re: #564 Nevergiveup

Well me to, but how? And anyway Obama ain't doing that.

True, he is a citizen of the world.

571 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:43:24pm

Via Instapundit....
Are You the Change You've Been Waiting For?

572 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:43:29pm

re: #563 Truck Monkey

I would bet that there are people on this board that sat it out because of McCain being the top of the ticket.


I hope they're fucking happy now.

573 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:43:38pm

re: #558 albusteve

fine with me...I know I'm being argumentative but it just seems like all reason has failed...and besides that I hate the UN with a passion and am looking for some kind of new paradigm where Israel can live peacefully...even if it means destruction of her enemies

No argument there. BUT in a world with still only one real superpower and a few pushy upstarts ( China and Russia ) it is still a tad dangerous for a tiny country like Israel.

574 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:44:06pm

re: #567 HoosierHoops

I updinged you for insulting me..Need I say more? :)

Hey now! I quoted you! LOLOOLOL

575 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:44:07pm

re: #563 Truck Monkey

And congratulations they got Obama. Happy Now?

576 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:44:14pm

re: #572 MandyManners

I'm happy.

577 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:44:45pm

re: #576 Killgore Trout

I'm happy.

With what?

578 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:44:46pm

re: #574 Wishing

Hey now! I quoted you! LOLOOLOL

It's the AM rice thing. Weird, but Hoops-y.

579 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:45:37pm

re: #574 Wishing

Hey now! I quoted you! LOLOOLOL

Did the smiley face give me away?
LOL

580 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:45:38pm

re: #490 Afrocity

Plenty of places to get dinner. Name your large intestinal poison

Joeys Italian Subs at 35th and State? Extra hot!

581 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:45:43pm

re: #572 MandyManners

I hope they're fucking happy now.

I HOPE THEY'RE FUCKING HAPPY NOW

There, I fixed it. Needed to be louder.......

582 Truck Monkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:45:51pm

re: #556 Nevergiveup

He is one of those people who if I ever met, I would NOT shake his hand

I would k*.k him in the n*ts

583 Bloodnok  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:46:04pm

re: #568 Afrocity

Mitt Romney was my governor. He is a sack of shit Massachusettes politician.
I would vote for Ron Paul before I vote for Mitt Romney.
Like he would beat Obama anyway. Think right wingers think. yeah Mr. Grecian formula #16 versus the magik negro.

Ah! Are you from Boston, or elsewhere? (North End here)

584 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:46:12pm

Actually I think it was 31st.

585 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:46:27pm

re: #569 kansas


A few more days of Obama's fear mongering, Geithner removing all doubt that he isn't up to the task, and Schumer, and Dodd, and Pelosi.....I'm pretty sure Obama is right about the US not recovering.

I don;t know what more you could do to damage our economy than what Obama has done siince he has been in office.

Nikita Kruschev is smiling somewhere.

586 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:46:43pm

re: #561 MandyManners

Wouldn't that be doing the same as those who sat out because McCain wasn't conservative enough?

No, because my motto is Values before Party, Race, or Gender.
I don't vote for anyone I do not respect.
When I was a DEM I sat out 2004. Kerry blows and so does every MA politician.

Do you know how many people told me to vote for Obama because I was black? Pluhleeze.

587 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:46:46pm

re: #576 Killgore Trout

I'm happy.

Will you be happy when a coastal city gets flattened by a nuke in a container ship? When ShortShit shoots one at Tel Aviv? When the upper-middle class tax shoots up to 50 per cent? When coal plants are shut down?

588 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:47:04pm

re: #581 LGoPs

I HOPE THEY'RE FUCKING HAPPY NOW

There, I fixed it. Needed to be louder.......

Too bad Charles turned off BIG colorful fonts.
Course it could get tiresome have everyone post in large red to indicate the level of out rage.

589 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:47:38pm

re: #582 Truck Monkey

I would k*.k him in the n*ts

Well I'd like to do that also but since he is a US Senator, I really don't want to spent a night in the can with a guy named Ram Rod. Not that there is anything wrong with that?

590 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:47:42pm

re: #568 Afrocity

You know, I'm white and I find that last bit offensive.

591 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:48:02pm

98% in:
Labor 13
likud 28
kadima 29
shas 11
yis. beteinu 15

592 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:48:28pm

re: #585 3 wood

I don;t know what more you could do to damage our economy than what Obama has done siince he has been in office.

Nikita Kruschev is smiling somewhere.

3 wood..read my #415 please

593 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:48:31pm

Is it too soon to go offtopic and ask a question?

594 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:48:36pm

re: #555 3 wood

Obama said Tim was going to be great. Is this their version of great?

595 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:49:00pm

re: #587 MandyManners

Will you be happy when a coastal city gets flattened by a nuke in a container ship? When ShortShit shoots one at Tel Aviv? When the upper-middle class tax shoots up to 50 per cent? When coal plants are shut down?

That's what's coming isn't it? I'm really worried.

596 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:49:10pm

re: #594 ArmyWife

Obama said Tim was going to be great. Is this their version of great?

Who's Tim?

597 Hobbes  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:49:11pm

re: #324 Afrocity

Leave McCain alone. I know I am new to being a Republican but McCain is the GOP who gave me the faith to leave the Democrats. I love John McCain. i have his pic in my wallet and I admire his service to our country. He is a patriot.

McCain thinks that to be successful a Republican needs to be a light version of a Democrat. If you agree with him beg forgiveness and ask to be readmitted to the Democratic party. Face it if you really like coffee why would you want something that tastes almost like coffee and costs just as much as coffee. McCain was a big help in getting Obama elected. I appreciate his service as well, but his naval heroism has nothing to do with his politics.

598 Truck Monkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:49:12pm

re: #575 Afrocity

And congratulations they got Obama. Happy Now?

You would have to ask them. I tried to prevent the nightmare we will be experiencing for the next 3 years and 11 months and 1 week.

599 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:49:23pm

re: #587 MandyManners

Those are very unlikely events. This is not the end of the world.

600 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:49:49pm

re: #593 UberInfidel67

Is it too soon to go offtopic and ask a question?

No. Now that your question has been answered, get back on topic!
/////

601 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:49:54pm

re: #594 ArmyWife

Obama said Tim was going to be great. Is this their version of great?


Naawww, Just wait, it'll get better.

//
///

602 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:49:57pm

re: #593 UberInfidel67

Is it too soon to go offtopic and ask a question?

Yes. Stay focused, dammit.

*just kidding*

:)

603 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:50:01pm

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

The guy handling our financial woes. Tim Geithner.

604 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:50:03pm

re: #572 MandyManners


I hope they're fucking happy now.

I doubt they will ever recognize their mistake.

605 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:50:46pm

re: #587 MandyManners

Will you be happy when a coastal city gets flattened by a nuke in a container ship? When ShortShit shoots one at Tel Aviv? When the upper-middle class tax shoots up to 50 per cent? When coal plants are shut down?

Or when inflation reaches 1000 percent?

Good luck buying that house for $6 million. Think your salary will rise to keep pace?

606 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:50:49pm

re: #600 Slumbering Behemoth
Thanks because I was getting really nervous typing that question. Whew!

607 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:51:16pm

re: #594 ArmyWife

Obama said Tim was going to be great. Is this their version of great?

Maybe this is what happens when moles are installed in the government?

608 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:51:30pm

re: #602 LGoPs
My internet ADD kicked in. I'll be OK...I took my Ritalin.

609 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:51:38pm

re: #593 UberInfidel67

Is it too soon to go offtopic and ask a question?

No. And I think you just did.

610 Luigi  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:51:54pm

Unbeleivable cynicism from MSLSD..

Pete Williams reports that Patrick Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney in Chicago who brought criminal fraud charges against Rod Blagojevich, will be staying in his job in the Obama administration, even though he was appointed to the position by President George W. Bush.

Then Williams delivers this astounding piece of effrontery...

U.S. attorneys are political appointees. The normal practice, when there's a change of political parties in the White House, is for the incoming administration to replace all 93 U.S. attorneys with appointees from the new president's party.

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

Normal, huh? Yeah, when Bush replaced just some of them the news media made it look like the world was exploding.

Williams is presenting it in this fashion to provide cover for Obama in case he wishes to get rid of Fitzgerald.

611 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:51:58pm

re: #597 Hobbes

I don't need to beg for forgiveness and speaking of being admitted....(whistling)

612 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:52:01pm

re: #606 UberInfidel67

Okay, now the suspense is killing me. What was your question?

613 Truck Monkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:52:07pm

re: #586 Afrocity

No, because my motto is Values before Party, Race, or Gender.
I don't vote for anyone I do not respect.
When I was a DEM I sat out 2004. Kerry blows and so does every MA politician.

Do you know how many people told me to vote for Obama because I was black? Pluhleeze.

Didn't have to look real hard for the Barney Frank joke in your statement.

614 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:52:15pm

re: #591 Wishing

98% in:
Labor 13
likud 28
kadima 29
shas 11
yis. beteinu 15

Netanyahu, Livni Declare Win in Israeli Election

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and hard-line rival Benjamin Netanyahu both claimed victory in Israel's parliamentary election Tuesday, which early returns suggested was too close to call. With 67 percent of the votes counted, Livni's centrist Kadima Party had 29 seats in the 120-seat parliament while Netanyahu's hawkish Likud Party was right behind with 28, Israel's Channel 1 television said.

However, soldiers' votes on bases across the country weren't being tallied until Thursday evening, which could shift the results by a seat or two.

615 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:52:38pm

re: #586 Afrocity

No, because my motto is Values before Party, Race, or Gender.
I don't vote for anyone I do not respect.
When I was a DEM I sat out 2004. Kerry blows and so does every MA politician.

Do you know how many people told me to vote for Obama because I was black? Pluhleeze.

Fair enough.

616 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:53:13pm

re: #604 3 wood

They don't on DU (I go so you don't have to!) They don't understand why the market tanked and offered this bit of expertise:

I've seen bigger drops than this with no bailout in sight. Why assume the bailout caused the drop? - Bemildred (who was agreeing with the previous poster who eloquently noted "how the f*ck do they know")

617 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:53:19pm

My question to the computer nerds here: My bro is buying a new computer...with Vista. He needs to transfer some sensitive military stuff from his old XP machine. How to go about doing that? Thank you in advance : )

618 Scion9  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:53:27pm

re: #513 victor_yugo

I will, however, agree w/ Rush that the MSM propped up McCain during the primaries, in order to knock him down in the general election.

Eh. Not sure I can agree with that line of reasoning. The propped up McCain because even if a Republican wound up winning, it was going to be a left-leaning Republican. He was the least of the 'evils' among the GOP.

I'm not convinced that the MSM was fully aware of its own power in bringing a candidate low (although I'm sure that 2012 will be very interesting now). Promoting a Romney or Huckabee only to have him win the GE would have been a real gamble for them. McCain isn't scary to a leftist, but they can pretend he is on the nightly news. Huckabee is nightmare incarnate to even some centrists. Not worth the gamble.

619 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:53:39pm

re: #603 ArmyWife

The guy handling our financial woes. Tim Geithner.

Oh, Ok, I'm not on a first name basis, didn't know who you were talking about.

620 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:53:49pm

re: #607 kansas

Maybe this is what happens when moles are installed in the government?

I still can't fucking believe we elected this guy as President. He looks like he's a high school student body president and he's about as qualified......
Fuck.

621 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:54:02pm

re: #607 kansas

the rodent kind? that would make this a bit more logical.

622 akak  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:54:07pm

Olmerde can stay in power until March, release all Hamas prisoners & still give away Jerusalem.

623 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:54:17pm

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Those are very unlikely events. This is not the end of the world.

Did I say it was?

We are STILL dealing with the damage Carter did more 30 years ago. What will the next generation be dealing with from CBBHO in 30 years?

624 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:54:29pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

Me either, I was just being lazy and not typing it all out.

625 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:54:37pm

re: #592 HoosierHoops


3 wood..read my #415 please

Tell me when and a location. Mrs. 3 wood would like a shopping trip to the City.

626 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:54:39pm

03:42 Clinton: U.S. may rethink missile-defense system if Iran drops nuclear ambitions (DPA)

But you have already shit caned the Polish part of the system. The Russians know that. Who the Fuck are you talking to?

627 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:54:46pm

re: #604 3 wood

I doubt they will ever recognize their mistake.

They will if they're paying attention.

628 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:54:54pm

re: #590 CyanSnowHawk

Here in Chicago we called Obama that way before anyone else did.
Rub his head and you get a stimulus that send tingles through your legs.

No one dislikes BO more than I do.

629 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:55:03pm

a little breather....the subdudes....they never give up

630 Hobbes  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:55:06pm

re: #405 Walter L. Newton

I have to agree with you. I was not at all enamored with McCain, but I did vote for him. Party trumped everything for me this time, when I saw Obama.

Actually, you voted against Obama as many of us did.

631 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:55:19pm

re: #598 Truck Monkey

You would have to ask them. I tried to prevent the nightmare we will be experiencing for the next 3 years and 11 months and 1 week.

Um, 7 years, 11 months, and one week, I'm afraid.

632 Truck Monkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:55:22pm

re: #610 Luigi

Unbeleivable cynicism from MSLSD..

Pete Williams reports that Patrick Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney in Chicago who brought criminal fraud charges against Rod Blagojevich, will be staying in his job in the Obama administration, even though he was appointed to the position by President George W. Bush.

Then Williams delivers this astounding piece of effrontery...


[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

Normal, huh? Yeah, when Bush replaced just some of them the news media made it look like the world was exploding.

Williams is presenting it in this fashion to provide cover for Obama in case he wishes to get rid of Fitzgerald.

Bubba replaced them all.

633 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:55:26pm

re: #617 UberInfidel67

My question to the computer nerds here: My bro is buying a new computer...with Vista. He needs to transfer some sensitive military stuff from his old XP machine. How to go about doing that? Thank you in advance : )

Carefully. With a direct cable.

634 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:55:33pm

re: #621 ArmyWife

the rodent kind? that would make this a bit more logical.


Unfortunately it's my paranoia kicking in. I think Obama is on purpose.

635 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:55:51pm

re: #617 UberInfidel67

My question to the computer nerds here: My bro is buying a new computer...with Vista. He needs to transfer some sensitive military stuff from his old XP machine. How to go about doing that? Thank you in advance : )

For less than a hundred bucks you can buy a 250+ Gb USB external drive and transfer everything.. Luckly file types didn't change between XP and Vista..So this will be easy for you

636 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:56:04pm

re: #617 UberInfidel67

My question to the computer nerds here: My bro is buying a new computer...with Vista. He needs to transfer some sensitive military stuff from his old XP machine. How to go about doing that? Thank you in advance : )

In that situation, I usually take the hard drive out of the old machine and put it in the new one as a secondary drive. That's the fastest/easiest way I know of to transfer a lot of files.

Of course, there is likely to be a fair number of Lizards smarter than I, with better solutions.

637 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:56:27pm

re: #594 ArmyWife

Obama said Tim was going to be great. Is this their version of great?

I would not have accepted that joke of a "plan" from a second year Finance major.

I'm not kidding

638 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:56:37pm

re: #617 UberInfidel67

My question to the computer nerds here: My bro is buying a new computer...with Vista. He needs to transfer some sensitive military stuff from his old XP machine. How to go about doing that? Thank you in advance : )

I'm not sure what the question is. Is it just files in folders? Is it applications (programs), or what.

Whole programs would be hard to do, unless they are stand alone programs that exist in a SINGLE folder, with no other pieces of the program embedded in other places (such as DLL's)

If it is just files, like documents, in folders, I would transfer them to a USB memory stick and then put the memory stick in the Vista computer and load the files down to the Vista box.

639 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:56:56pm

re: #631 Last Mohican

Um, 7 years, 11 months, and one week, I'm afraid.

Don't have to be. Run Palin/Steele in 2012 and you have a chance.

640 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:56:57pm

re: #605 Racer X

Or when inflation reaches 1000 percent?

Good luck buying that house for $6 million. Think your salary will rise to keep pace?

I don't see 1,000 per cent inflation.

641 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:57:02pm

re: #633 Nevergiveup
Would it be troublesome for you to email me instructions?

642 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:57:22pm

re: #635 HoosierHoops

For less than a hundred bucks you can buy a 250+ Gb USB external drive and transfer everything.. Luckly file types didn't change between XP and Vista..So this will be easy for you

That depends on who's computer it is and what kind of DOD material is on it. There are Prohibitions from using any external drives on DOD computers.

643 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:57:27pm

re: #617 UberInfidel67

My question to the computer nerds here: My bro is buying a new computer...with Vista. He needs to transfer some sensitive military stuff from his old XP machine. How to go about doing that? Thank you in advance : )

Should you be talking about that?

644 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:57:55pm

re: #555 3 wood

Hey, 3 wood. I read this earlier today.

Has Barack Obama’s presidency already failed? In normal times, this would be a ludicrous question. But these are not normal times. They are times of great danger. Today, the new US administration can disown responsibility for its inheritance; tomorrow, it will own it. Today, it can offer solutions; tomorrow it will have become the problem. Today, it is in control of events; tomorrow, events will take control of it.

645 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:58:11pm

Anybody who wasn't here at 4:26 LGF time, check for a cookbook update here:
re: #193 reine.de.tout

OR click my nic to see the same info at the cookbook blog.

646 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:58:25pm

re: #637 3 wood

change!

647 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:58:32pm

re: #641 UberInfidel67

Would it be troublesome for you to email me instructions?

It's pretty easy. What kind of connectoins are on each computer?

648 opinionated  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:58:49pm

In Sderot, Likud is beating Kadima by 33 to 12%.

I guess the rest of Israel has to begin to get rocketed by the barbarians too in order for them to learn the obvious.

649 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:58:50pm

re: #633 Nevergiveup

Carefully. With a direct cable.

You really don't need something like "laplink" anymore. Memory sticks are so cheap, and plug and play, you just us it as a "drive" load it up and transfer to the Vista box.

650 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:59:13pm

re: #638 Walter L. Newton
I'm thinking just folders, but I could be wrong. Not sure at all. I have to ask him and then I will take all the instructions I received here, and try them. I do need to know what the direct cable is though that nevergiveup mentioned.

651 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:59:13pm

No wonder Obama didn't want to steal Geithner's "thunder". Didn't want to take all the credit for the market crash. Spread some of that shit around Barry. While were at it, let's not drill for any offshore oil. What will tomorrow bring? Another "Presidential Address"? Spit.

652 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 5:59:41pm

re: #649 Walter L. Newton

You really don't need something like "laplink" anymore. Memory sticks are so cheap, and plug and play, you just us it as a "drive" load it up and transfer to the Vista box.

As i said above, that may a no no.

653 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:00:09pm

re: #643 Mich-again
It's only sensitive to him...not the DoD. Not like state secrets or anything like that.

654 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:00:56pm

re: #650 UberInfidel67

I'm thinking just folders, but I could be wrong. Not sure at all. I have to ask him and then I will take all the instructions I received here, and try them. I do need to know what the direct cable is though that nevergiveup mentioned.

It a null cable, with software loaded on each computer. There was a older program called Laplink that supplied the cable and software. But that is so 90's.

Click on my name and email me and we can talk. There really is more info than just "I want to transfer" that anyone would need to know to answer your question.

655 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:01:06pm

re: #653 UberInfidel67

It's only sensitive to him...not the DoD. Not like state secrets or anything like that.

As long as it is HIS computer and is not EVER brought in and attached to a DOD network, he can use a memory stick or any external drive.

656 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:01:12pm

98% in:
Labor 13
likud 28
kadima 29
shas 11
yis. beteinu 15

657 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:01:20pm

re: #617 UberInfidel67

My question to the computer nerds here: My bro is buying a new computer...with Vista. He needs to transfer some sensitive military stuff from his old XP machine. How to go about doing that? Thank you in advance : )

Better let the IT guys do it. Security etc...
There is a Windows Easy Transfer for just that purpose.

658 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:01:26pm

re: #640 MandyManners

I don't see 1,000 per cent inflation.

Sorry.

My mom told me a million times to not exaggerate.

659 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:01:32pm

re: #649 Walter L. Newton

You really don't need something like "laplink" anymore. Memory sticks are so cheap, and plug and play, you just us it as a "drive" load it up and transfer to the Vista box.

If it's a secure workstation the ports may be disabled.

660 Truck Monkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:01:36pm

re: #631 Last Mohican

Um, 7 years, 11 months, and one week, I'm afraid.

I think the democrats are in trouble and don't know it. They are over reaching and will get slapped down. I think that The Obamessiah might even quit before his term is up.

661 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:01:43pm

Here is an *awwwww* moment from Down Under:
Water

662 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:02:11pm

re: #657 jcm

Better let the IT guys do it. Security etc...
There is a Windows Easy Transfer for just that purpose.

Memory stick, 15 dollars, plug and play, really. IMHO.

663 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:02:14pm

re: #644 jorline

The MSM will just blame everything on Bush.

664 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:02:28pm

re: #660 Truck Monkey

I think the democrats are in trouble and don't know it. They are over reaching and will get slapped down. I think that The Obamessiah might even quit before his term is up.

Tomorrow would be good for me.

665 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:02:35pm

re: #655 Nevergiveup
I'm going to have to ask him to be a little more specific. I am not quite sure what all is on it. I will ask the question again when I talk to him. In the meantime, I will check out some of the suggestions you all gave me. Thank you all so much : )

666 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:03:07pm

re: #628 Afrocity

Here in Chicago we called Obama that way before anyone else did.
Rub his head and you get a stimulus that send tingles through your legs.

No one dislikes BO more than I do.

That does not lessen the way I feel about calling him that. It focuses attention on an attribute that is not supposed to be of consequence and takes attention away from the real problems with him.

667 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:03:16pm

re: #623 MandyManners

What will the next generation be dealing with from CBBHO in 30 years?


They'll be dealing with mistakes just like we are. The mistakes of the Clinton and Bush administrations lead to the financial crisis that we are now dealing with. The GOP gave us a lousy ticket. Almost laughably bad. Even if Republican swept both houses and the presidency they'd be wasting the same money in slightly different ways. We'd still have open borders, we'd still end aggressive interrogations and we'd still be closing Gitmo. Iran would still be developing nuclear weapons. We really aren't seeing much substantially different that what the Republicans would have done. Let's not forget that this socialist trend was started by Bush bailing out the banking industry. Bush's senior citizen medical plan was the largest entitlement program in recent history. I don't think even Obama will be able to top it.

668 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:03:35pm

re: #661 Wishing

Here is an *awwwww* moment from Down Under:
Water

that is very cool...I got a huge warm fuzzie....thanks, and it's booked

669 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:03:57pm

re: #662 Walter L. Newton

Memory stick, 15 dollars, plug and play, really. IMHO.

Yup if it is only his your right

670 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:04:01pm

re: #651 kansas

No wonder Obama didn't want to steal Geithner's "thunder". Didn't want to take all the credit for the market crash. Spread some of that shit around Barry. While were at it, let's not drill for any offshore oil. What will tomorrow bring? Another "Presidential Address"? Spit.

Thanks for the reminder. On top of all this financial ruin and danger at least we can take comfort in the fact that we won't be disturbing any microbial organisms up in ANWR or offshore to feed our insatiable, gluttonous need to drive to our jobs. You go Barry.
/

671 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:04:15pm

re: #642 Nevergiveup

That depends on who's computer it is and what kind of DOD material is on it. There are Prohibitions from using any external drives on DOD computers.

Well my friend..that I thought of..After I posted I thought.. why does somebody have sensitive Gov't info on a home computer that needs to be transfered? Legal information on a Gov't computer that needs transferring is done by the DOD IT Dept...But I only spent 20 years working for the DOD at MINSY..So maybe things changed? doubt it..But just to address your original post..Any top secret DOD computer does not even allow USB access to the hard drive..That is disabled...Makes transfer a bitch

672 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:04:16pm

re: #660 Truck Monkey

I think the democrats are in trouble and don't know it. They are over reaching and will get slapped down. I think that The Obamessiah might even quit before his term is up.

Not a chance!

Are you kidding? He is already blaming the Republicans for not giving him everything he wants. The luster will come off, and the media may turn on him, but anything negative will be blamed on others.

Guaranteed.

673 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:04:18pm

re: #661 Wishing

Here is an *awwwww* moment from Down Under:
Water

Awwwww. That one got me.
;)

674 jwb7605  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:04:21pm

re: #617 UberInfidel67

My question to the computer nerds here: My bro is buying a new computer...with Vista. He needs to transfer some sensitive military stuff from his old XP machine. How to go about doing that? Thank you in advance : )

transfer the stuff, then use a DOD approved data erasing algorithm.
I use eraser.

675 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:04:33pm

re: #660 Truck Monkey

Stop teasing me.

676 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:04:59pm

re: #640 MandyManners

I don't see 1,000 per cent inflation.

Maybe not but I think you are going to see at least 15% a year for quite a while.

The long term target for growing the money supply as measured by M2 (casha nd checkable accounts and equivalents) is 5% per year.

Know what it's growing at now?

13% and climbing.

And they've not even started in with the huge spending yet.

677 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:05:01pm

re: #668 albusteve

that is very cool...I got a huge warm fuzzie....thanks, and it's booked

It is that kind of thing in that picture that the western world is known for. Ever see a pic like that come out of the desert sands of the east? NO.

678 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:05:12pm

re: #669 Nevergiveup

Yup if it is only his your right

Unless it's a application(s) he wants to move, then that could be touchy of impossible.

Remember the days an app sat in ONE folder, all pieces, nothing embedded or living any where else?

679 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:05:14pm

re: #660 Truck Monkey

I think the democrats are in trouble and don't know it. They are over reaching and will get slapped down. I think that The Obamessiah might even quit before his term is up.

Or he will be outed as a Middle Eastern Spy.
prediction #234- There will be no Christmas Tree in the White House.

680 jcm  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:05:39pm

re: #662 Walter L. Newton

Memory stick, 15 dollars, plug and play, really. IMHO.

If your transferring files only. I've got so many applications, printers, mapped drives and custom setting it could take days to set everything back up on a new machine. Transfer takes care of all that too.

681 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:05:44pm

re: #668 albusteve

awww. I've been worried about the animals (and the people, of course). What a horrific thing.

682 jorline  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:05:58pm

re: #645 reine.de.tout

Anybody who wasn't here at 4:26 LGF time, check for a cookbook update here:


OR click my nic to see the same info at the cookbook blog.

Thanks, reine.
It will come together soon, we'll patiently wait for your next update.

683 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:06:06pm

re: #679 Afrocity

Or he will be outed as a Middle Eastern Spy.
prediction #234- There will be no Christmas Tree in the White House.

Was that humor, about the spy?

684 Racer X  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:06:32pm

re: #667 Killgore Trout

Pass the bong over here dude.

685 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:06:48pm

re: #679 Afrocity

Careful there. I hope this is a case of a missing sarc tag.

686 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:06:52pm

re: #680 jcm

If your transferring files only. I've got so many applications, printers, mapped drives and custom setting it could take days to set everything back up on a new machine. Transfer takes care of all that too.

That's why I suggested someone email me, or what ever. It's a simple questions with many possible answers (or no answer).

687 Nevergiveup  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:06:57pm

re: #671 HoosierHoops

Well my friend..that I thought of..After I posted I thought.. why does somebody have sensitive Gov't info on a home computer that needs to be transfered? Legal information on a Gov't computer that needs transferring is done by the DOD IT Dept...But I only spent 20 years working for the DOD at MINSY..So maybe things changed? doubt it..But just to address your original post..Any top secret DOD computer does not even allow USB access to the hard drive..That is disabled...Makes transfer a bitch

There was a problem a few months back when some stick drives that were being used got a virus and did infect a few DOD networks. That is when a strict prohibition was put in place. It played havoc with NKO for a while. I think it might have been something to do with the software for cat card readers.

688 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:06:58pm

re: #683 Walter L. Newton

Was that humor, about the spy?

How about a suspicion?

689 NY Nana  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:07:01pm

re: #587 MandyManners

Bless you, Mandy...I was 10 when the State of Israel was proclaimed, and as tiny as it is in regard to its' neighbors, Israel, when the chips are down, has always managed to vanquish their enemy(ies)....I pray that having Hussein as dictator, with Shrillary, Mitchell, and so many enemies of Israel, will make no difference. The USA is there, and I would like to think that we, the people, would make it very clearly known to Hussein and his merry band of Jew haters and self-hating Jews that we are as mad as hell, and they had damned well support Israel...or their asses will be brass.

There are members of Congress, and friends of Israel, who will stand up.

And, if, God forbid, Hussein does not come through? Israel will do it on their own. It will take longer, be harder, but they can and will do it. Bet Short Shit is whimpering in fear of tiny Israel.

Scroll down on this, and see what Israel did to Iraq's nuclear capacity, all on it's own.

690 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:07:16pm

re: #685 ArmyWife

Careful there. I hope this is a case of a missing sarc tag.

I asked too!

691 Last Mohican  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:08:31pm

re: #597 Hobbes

McCain thinks that to be successful a Republican needs to be a light version of a Democrat. If you agree with him beg forgiveness and ask to be readmitted to the Democratic party. Face it if you really like coffee why would you want something that tastes almost like coffee and costs just as much as coffee. McCain was a big help in getting Obama elected. I appreciate his service as well, but his naval heroism has nothing to do with his politics.

I disagree with most of what you said.

We all respect McCain the naval aviator. I also respected McCain the politician, at least, the one he was before this election. He was a principled man who stood up for his beliefs, not all of which I shared. But like myself, like Rudy Giuliani, and like a number of other Republicans, but like virtually no major Democrat other than Joe Lieberman, his political beliefs included some that could considered left-leaning, and some that could be considered right-leaning. He fought for what he thought was right for our country, rather than adopting the most extreme possible positions in order to spark donations from the most extreme special interest groups on either side of the spectrum. He tried to be a rational, sensible, professional leader, rather than a garbage-spouting demagogue like Obama.

I respected that. I believe that, if our country is to climb out of the toilet at some point, it will be because we have finally made room for political leaders who adopt some approach other than veering as hard as possible into the extreme.

I do, however, agree with "McCain was a big help in getting Obama elected." John McCain sacrificed immeasurably for our country when he was young. But last year, he saw an enormous threat to our safety and well-being, and he simply refused to even try to protect us from it. He literally refused to campaign against Obama. I've said it before -- I wouldn't be surprised to learn that McCain literally voted for Obama. I will never forgive him for that, and I think it's now time for him to leave political life for good.

692 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:08:31pm

re: #688 kansas

How about a suspicion?

Hmmmm... and I'm a alien and if you rip off my face, you'll find a lizard, and my basement apartment has direct access to all the tunnels that run under the Rocky Mountains.
/color me... ?

693 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:08:36pm

re: #685 ArmyWife

Careful there. I hope this is a case of a missing sarc tag.

Why are we getting all sensitive about what a lot of people are obviously thinking. Cmon Barry, prove us wrong. Say something good and reassure everybody. Stop it with the Chicken Little Bullshit if you are trying to screw us.

694 Sheepdogess  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:08:46pm

re: #679 Afrocity

Or he will be outed as a Middle Eastern Spy.
prediction #234- There will be no Christmas Tree in the White House.

And no dog either....unclean, ya know

695 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:08:52pm

OK...no DoD stuff just personal military stuff. He just bought an external HD to transfer programs that he wants though. Thank you all again for your help. I swear, you can find the answers to ANYTHING here.

696 Wishing  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:08:53pm

re: #689 NY Nana

Bless you, Mandy...I was 10 when the State of Israel was proclaimed, and as tiny as it is in regard to its' neighbors, Israel, when the chips are down, has always managed to vanquish their enemy(ies)....I pray that having Hussein as dictator, with Shrillary, Mitchell, and so many enemies of Israel, will make no difference. The USA is there, and I would like to think that we, the people, would make it very clearly known to Hussein and his merry band of Jew haters and self-hating Jews that we are as mad as hell, and they had damned well support Israel...or their asses will be brass.

There are members of Congress, and friends of Israel, who will stand up.

And, if, God forbid, Hussein does not come through? Israel will do it on their own. It will take longer, be harder, but they can and will do it. Bet Short Shit is whimpering in fear of tiny Israel.

Scroll down on this, and see what Israel did to Iraq's nuclear capacity, all on it's own.

NY Nana, I love you!

697 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:08:56pm

Good call, Thanos. Agreed.

698 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:09:07pm

re: #677 Wishing

It is that kind of thing in that picture that the western world is known for. Ever see a pic like that come out of the desert sands of the east? NO.

I am fighting back tears...really...some severely mixed emotions here

699 Truck Monkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:09:11pm

re: #672 Racer X

Not a chance!

Are you kidding? He is already blaming the Republicans for not giving him everything he wants. The luster will come off, and the media may turn on him, but anything negative will be blamed on others.

Guaranteed.


He can blame all he wants but it is not going to work. Barry is like the dog who has just caught the bumper of a car he has been chasing for years. He's got it and now he doesn't know what the hell to do with it. His attitude is extremely unpresidential and it is going to hurt him. He is not the politician that Bubba is and you will remember that Bubba had to call a press conference to remind everyone he was still relevant. I see these type moments coming to hurt Barry sooner than he can imagine.

700 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:09:13pm

re: #687 Nevergiveup

There was a problem a few months back when some stick drives that were being used got a virus and did infect a few DOD networks. That is when a strict prohibition was put in place. It played havoc with NKO for a while. I think it might have been something to do with the software for cat card readers.

In our Data rooms at MINSY none of the computers had USB ports..

701 Florida Lady  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:09:20pm

OT, but . . .

I would personally like to apologize on behalf of us sane residents of Fort Myers and the surrounding cities for the spectacular dopiness displayed at today's Obamessiah Town Hall meeting by some of our locals . . . ugh!

We now return you to the Israeli elections . . .

702 NY Nana  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:09:43pm

re: #617 UberInfidel67

I know nothing re computers, other that to use them, but did he already buy it? There are computers to be had that have Windows XP installed...NY Grampa has one, that he bought from Costco, and he loves it..

703 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:09:58pm

re: #693 kansas

Why are we getting all sensitive about what a lot of people are obviously thinking. Cmon Barry, prove us wrong. Say something good and reassure everybody. Stop it with the Chicken Little Bullshit if you are trying to screw us.

NO. You make a comment, or posit a position, you prove it. I don't care what you are thinking. I'm thinking that Griselle is going to visit me tonight, but it doesn't make it the truth.

Really!

704 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:10:03pm

re: #684 Racer X

I'm thinking about taking up smoking pot again. It's been many years.

705 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:10:23pm

re: #695 UberInfidel67

OK...no DoD stuff just personal military stuff. He just bought an external HD to transfer programs that he wants though. Thank you all again for your help. I swear, you can find the answers to ANYTHING here.

42

706 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:10:25pm

re: #694 Sheepdogess

And no dog either....unclean, ya know

and michelle said no gifts were given for the holidays.
she did not want santa getting credit for stuff she bought.
sheeesh.

707 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:10:28pm

re: #591 Wishing

98% in:
Labor 13
likud 28
kadima 29
shas 11
yis. beteinu 15

I don't know where you got that.

Israel Radio just gave 95% numbers (which are somewhat different than what you posted for three of those parties. They're here

708 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:10:30pm
709 itellu3times  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:10:44pm

re: #555 3 wood

Good evening.

I watched Kudlow on CNBC, and they ripped Geithner wide open tonight for his pratfall today on TV.
...
The consensus wasthat if Geithner had announced that "mark to market" was being suspended, the market would have jumped 400 points.

Then in just the last hour or so, apparently in an attempt to breath life intot he already waning career of tim Geithner, Dodd is apparently running around saying that "mark to market" was likely to be suspended.

Good.

But is it my imagination, or didn't the SEC suspend it by fiat - which is pretty much how it was imposed in the first place - a couple of months ago? Does it need more suspending, for more people, or permanently, or something?

710 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:11:15pm

re: #614 jcm

The soldier votes will be to the right. Everyone assumes that.

711 itellu3times  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:11:19pm

re: #620 LGoPs

I still can't fucking believe we elected this guy as President. He looks like he's a high school student body president and he's about as qualified......
Fuck.

Yeah.

What's the deal ... with 'us' anyway.

712 Hobbes  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:12:04pm

re: #506 Afrocity

Obama was a fast moving Kool Aid train that was not going to stop. GOP whiners should be glad McCain was there because if they think Mitt Romney or Huckabee would have done better they need their heads examined.

McCain never would have been the Republican candidate if it hadn't been for New Hampshire where ACORN came in and got the opposition eliminated and Iowa where busloads from Chicago sponsored by ACORN corrupted the ridiculous caucus process. The GOP candidate was chosen by Democratic crossover voters in primary after primary. Sarah Palin was our only hope. And during the campaign when the MSM went after her, McCain was silent. And his handlers weakened Sarah whenever possible. Check the history on this and you may find some difficulty in maintaining your feelings about McCain.

713 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:12:24pm

re: #617 UberInfidel67

My question to the computer nerds here: My bro is buying a new computer...with Vista. He needs to transfer some sensitive military stuff from his old XP machine. How to go about doing that? Thank you in advance : )

If this is for work in the Defense Industry, there are procedures to follow for this that need to be followed and will be available from the security department of his employer.

If he is military, then the same help can be found through his chain of command.

If these are private files on a private computer, one may ask the question "what are sensitive military files doing on a private computer?" There are controls for documentation that extend down to the "FOUO" (For Official Use Only) level.

714 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:12:25pm

re: #703 Walter L. Newton

who is Griselle? Sounds like a classic villain name! I'm kinda hoping she/it won't be visiting you tonight!

715 Truck Monkey  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:12:35pm

re: #679 Afrocity

Or he will be outed as a Middle Eastern Spy.
prediction #234- There will be no Christmas Tree in the White House.

I am of the understanding that Barry and his family do not celebrate birthdays or Christmas. Maybe he is a closet Jehovahs Witness?

/

716 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:13:11pm
717 Scion9  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:13:21pm

re: #667 Killgore Trout

This meltdown was coming down the pipe before Clinton even. We have been piling straws on that camels back for generations. To Clinton and Bush I guess it all looked sturdy after so long, so they got out the pitch forks and started bailing.

The 'socialist trend' also started a long time before Bush and Clinton. We have been over that cliff since before most of us were born. It just wasn't obvious until now. Obama isn't doing anything different other than not really trying to hide what he is doing.

Congressional Republicans have nothing to lose, except their seats, which are primarily going to be contested by other Republicans. The drunken sailors now want to look like fiscal conservatives so that other frauds pretending to be fiscal conservatives in upcoming races can be thwarted.

718 itellu3times  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:13:28pm

re: #712 Hobbes

McCain never would have been the Republican candidate if it hadn't been for New Hampshire where ACORN came in and got the opposition eliminated and Iowa where busloads from Chicago sponsored by ACORN corrupted the ridiculous caucus process. The GOP candidate was chosen by Democratic crossover voters in primary after primary. Sarah Palin was our only hope. And during the campaign when the MSM went after her, McCain was silent. And his handlers weakened Sarah whenever possible. Check the history on this and you may find some difficulty in maintaining your feelings about McCain.

All things considered, I'm not sure Palin would have done a better job today than Geithner.

I'd look for the problems further upstream, and the solutions elsewhere than just there.

719 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:13:38pm

re: #703 Walter L. Newton

NO. You make a comment, or posit a position, you prove it. I don't care what you are thinking. I'm thinking that Griselle is going to visit me tonight, but it doesn't make it the truth.

Really!

Prove it? Right. Like so many positions and suspicions on a blog are "proven". Lots of thoughts, theories, suspicions, and fears on this board. So far I haven't seen proof of much of anything, mostly opinion.

720 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:13:58pm

re: #690 Walter L. Newton

I asked too!

I have a heart made of tinfoil.

721 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:14:02pm

re: #713 CyanSnowHawk
Not that sensitive.....he's Infantry for God's sake. lol lol Just sensitive to him. Personal things.

722 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:14:22pm
723 itellu3times  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:14:41pm

re: #717 Scion9

Yes, well, in any case it's here now, and we can stop crying about what we've "inherited" and try to fix it.

/you hearing me, Mr. President?

724 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:15:40pm

re: #704 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking about taking up smoking pot again. It's been many years.

I am a minority of one around here....

725 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:15:50pm

What Obama and Congress are trying to accomplish reminds me of a guy trying to pull start a lawn mower over and over again but the spark plug wire is disconnected.

726 itellu3times  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:16:24pm

re: #722 albusteve

my problem is he is a communist, a racist, a liar and a street punk in a phony Brooks Bros suit

my problem with him is he's been climbing up the ladder faster than the rungs could break, and now he's at the top. look out below.

727 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:16:44pm

You will be happy to know that Obama has decided the market drop today was not Geithners fault.

Obama Says U.S. Has ‘No Easy Out’ of Banking Crisis


Feb. 10 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said financial markets reacted negatively to his administration’s plan to unlock credit and deal with banks’ toxic assets because Wall Street was looking for a quick and painless solution.

“Wall Street, I think, is hoping for an easy out on this thing and there is no easy out,” Obama said in an interview recorded for ABC’s “Nightline” program.

In other words, the verbal beatings from Washington will continue until the attitude improves

728 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:16:45pm

re: #725 Mich-again

What Obama and Congress are trying to accomplish reminds me of a guy trying to pull start a lawn mower over and over again but the spark plug wire is disconnected.

hey...it's a learning curve...vertical

729 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:17:07pm

re: #725 Mich-again

What Obama and Congress are trying to accomplish reminds me of a guy trying to pull start a lawn mower over and over again but the spark plug wire is disconnected.

So they take the mower down to the auto crusher and have the shit crushed out of it while pointing out they inherited a mower that didn't start.

730 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:17:32pm

re: #693 kansas

Right now this ranks up there with birth certificate issues to me.

731 Elcid  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:17:33pm

May have been posted earlier, but here's Chuckie. As mentioned before, arrogance is in.

732 albusteve  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:18:19pm

re: #726 itellu3times

my problem with him is he's been climbing up the ladder faster than the rungs could break, and now he's at the top. look out below.

WOOK OUUUT!
we mus mak it to de choppa!

733 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:18:28pm

re: #716 Iron Fist

Funny, the DEMS said the same thing about GOP's crossing over to vote for Hillary over Obama. I don't believe either of those theories because the DEM primaries were too close and important.
No one could have beaten Obama.

734 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:18:33pm

re: #709 itellu3times

Good.

But is it my imagination, or didn't the SEC suspend it by fiat - which is pretty much how it was imposed in the first place - a couple of months ago? Does it need more suspending, for more people, or permanently, or something?

They said they would consider modifying it, but they never said to what. In view of the absence of them identifying another acceptable vaualtion standard, the mark to market still is in force.

735 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:19:39pm
736 ArmyWife  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:19:39pm

re: #727 3 wood

Oh. Well. In THAT case.

Going upstairs.

737 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:19:56pm

re: #722 albusteve

Yeah Obama is all of that and a bag of stale maggot ridden chips.

738 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:20:02pm

re: #720 Afrocity

I have a heart made of tinfoil.

It was the spy comment. LGF is an anti-idiotarian blog. We like to keep our positions with in the realm of critical thinking and not just rumors or out right lies.

Yes, we do make sarcastic comment, but we usually tag them with a slash "/" at the end, or a slash and a "s" like "/s" or even a smiley face.

Charles doesn't want to give anyone the chance to say "look at what they are saying at LGF" and stuff like that.

So, we try to keep it truthful, honest (and funny). We don't take well to racism or bigoted remarks, suggesting violence or genocide is verboten and we back up comment with fact, using quotes or links.

So, the spy remark seemed a bit our of left field, and we were wondering if you were being funny.

Other wise, maybe you could offer some proof that you have?

739 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:20:09pm
740 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:21:27pm

re: #730 ArmyWife

Right now this ranks up there with birth certificate issues to me.

And we all know that was settled along with Obama's medical records and college transcripts to the MSM's satisfaction.

741 Hobbes  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:21:33pm

re: #590 CyanSnowHawk

You know, I'm white and I find that last bit offensive.

So do I. It appears that Martin Luther King's dream of an America where skin didn't matter may be out of fashion. That's a damned shame.

742 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:22:18pm

re: #715 Truck Monkey

I am of the understanding that Barry and his family do not celebrate birthdays or Christmas. Maybe he is a closet Jehovahs Witness?

/

They are liars. He is Muslim. I have no issues with it but I hate liars. There will be no dog for the kids. Mark my words.

743 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:22:45pm

re: #733 Afrocity

No one could have beaten Obama.

Ron Paul!

744 jwb7605  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:22:52pm

re: #716 Iron Fist

re: #735 Iron Fist

I'd shake the man's hand. I'd even let him keep it rather than ripping his arm off and beating him to death with it (or, in reality, giving him a spiral fracture of both bones in his forearm, a nasty permanently crippling injury).

As I said, I'd let him keep his arm. I wouldn't harm a remaining hair on his ugly, balding head. I might have to explain to him how very generous a man I am, and demand his thanks for my mercy, though.

:-)


I updinged your first (#716) post.

For someone who likes to come off as the baddest guy in the valley of death, you are occasionally very well spoken.

745 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:23:20pm

re: #742 Afrocity

They are liars. He is Muslim. I have no issues with it but I hate liars. There will be no dog for the kids. Mark my words.

LOL, you're wild 'frocity.

746 NY Nana  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:23:32pm

re: #696 Wishing

I am sooooo glad that you cannot see me blushing!

On the serious side, I have been a Zionist since dot, and have always been so proud watching David vanquish Goliath time after time after time. What hurts is that after over 60 years we still see Israel being verbally and physically assaulted.

But they may wobble, but they never fall down.

747 tradewind  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:23:43pm

re: #6 Jetpilot1101

They'd almost have to be female, thus La Chades. Remember, there were all those pregnant ones......

748 3 wood  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:23:45pm

Asian stocks don't like Obama's plan anymore than the US did.:

Asian Stocks Drop on Concern Obama Bank Plan Won’t Ease Crisis

Feb. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Asian stocks fell, led by banks and commodity companies, on concern U.S. President Barack Obama’s plan to revive the economy and financial system may not be enough to ease the recession.

National Australia Bank Ltd., the nation’s biggest by assets, lost 1.3 percent, after U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said the recovery plan will “take time” to bear fruit. BHP Billiton Ltd., the world’s largest mining company, fell 2.8 percent in Sydney on concern commodity demand will drop. Neptune Orient Lines Ltd., Southeast Asia’s biggest container carrier, slumped 3.2 percent in Singapore after forecasting a loss.

I wonder if Obama is going to bad-mouth them too?

749 Arby Dwiar  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:23:48pm

re: #667 Killgore Trout

They'll be dealing with mistakes just like we are. The mistakes of the Clinton and Bush administrations lead to the financial crisis that we are now dealing with. The GOP gave us a lousy ticket. Almost laughably bad. Even if Republican swept both houses and the presidency they'd be wasting the same money in slightly different ways. We'd still have open borders, we'd still end aggressive interrogations and we'd still be closing Gitmo. Iran would still be developing nuclear weapons. We really aren't seeing much substantially different that what the Republicans would have done. Let's not forget that this socialist trend was started by Bush bailing out the banking industry. Bush's senior citizen medical plan was the largest entitlement program in recent history. I don't think even Obama will be able to top it.

Thanks, man: Here's To Ya!

750 capitalist piglet  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:23:49pm

re: #739 HoosierHoops

Kindof harsh isn't is? Obama has never..nor will ever make blacks look like buffoons...And in 2 years..I don't recall him ever saying the words sweet potato pie..You are mean! :)

You didn't hear the "pie" riff? I think it's on YouTube.

751 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:24:06pm

re: #744 jwb7605

re: #735 Iron Fist


I updinged your first (#716) post.

For someone who likes to come off as the baddest guy in the valley of death, you are occasionally very well spoken.

You want to see bad, I'll show you bad, where's my feather duster?

752 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:24:10pm

re: #738 Walter L. Newton

It was the spy comment. LGF is an anti-idiotarian blog. We like to keep our positions with in the realm of critical thinking and not just rumors or out right lies.

Yes, we do make sarcastic comment, but we usually tag them with a slash "/" at the end, or a slash and a "s" like "/s" or even a smiley face.

Charles doesn't want to give anyone the chance to say "look at what they are saying at LGF" and stuff like that.

So, we try to keep it truthful, honest (and funny). We don't take well to racism or bigoted remarks, suggesting violence or genocide is verboten and we back up comment with fact, using quotes or links.

So, the spy remark seemed a bit our of left field, and we were wondering if you were being funny.

Other wise, maybe you could offer some proof that you have?

I was being funny. see ha ha (cough)

753 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:24:21pm

re: #708 Afrocity

Are you a Moby?

754 kansas  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:24:25pm

re: #745 nyc redneck

LOL, you're wild 'frocity.



But wait....at LGF we need proof....not seeing any proof. ; )

755 jwb7605  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:26:11pm

re: #751 Walter L. Newton

You want to see bad, I'll show you bad, where's my feather duster?

I borrowed it. I'm practicing duster-fu lethal moves while cleaning house ...

756 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:27:21pm

re: #544 UberInfidel67

I feel like the whole damn party stabbed her in the back. You cannot sit out though. It will be just like this election....RINO or antichrist. You HAVE to pick the lesser of two evils. Those who sat out this election All of us are gonna learn that REAL soon.

FTFY...

*sigh*

757 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:27:23pm

re: #752 Afrocity

I was being funny. see ha ha (cough)

It's starting to look like you are a Moby. I related to you, in a long comment, some of the protocol we have here, and why we have it.

Your answer to me is a snide backhanded slap. It's won't fly here, if that is your purpose for hanging out here.

I've seen you ramp up you tone, and your comments have slowly move to "baiting."

Wise up girl, your not fooling anyone.

758 SummerSong  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:27:42pm

re: #739 HoosierHoops

Kindof harsh isn't is? Obama has never..nor will ever make blacks look like buffoons...And in 2 years..I don't recall him ever saying the words sweet potato pie..You are mean! :)

He talked about pie...his favorite is sweet potato.

759 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:28:29pm

re: #755 jwb7605

I borrowed it. I'm practicing duster-fu lethal moves while cleaning house ...

Is it snowing up there? they keep talking about it, and I see poop outside. You know I like the snow, and this weather is boring me.

760 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:28:51pm

re: #756 talon_262
Yeah, I guess so. Thank you. **sigh**

761 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:28:59pm

re: #739 HoosierHoops

Kindof harsh isn't is? Obama has never..nor will ever make blacks look like buffoons...And in 2 years..I don't recall him ever saying the words sweet potato pie..You are mean! :)

Ummm, he said it every day on the campaign trail. He made fun of the diner owner in Ohio "Now my favorite Pie, is sweet potato pie..but he didn;t have any sweet potato pie and I asked if he was a Republican and blah blah Kool aid spew....yada yada Hope Change, your life stinks unless you vote for me ...
"
He usually pulled it out down south, when he was around a lot of black people. Just like he would change his dialect depending upon the audience.

762 nyc redneck  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:29:36pm

btw, just wondering. . . . do they have a dog ... . . . . yet?
hmmmmm

763 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:29:54pm

From the way the Democrats are handling this financial crisis I have a new Party Slogan for them:

"When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout"

Pretty nifty for a national policy.....huh?

764 jwb7605  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:30:36pm

re: #759 Walter L. Newton

Is it snowing up there? they keep talking about it, and I see poop outside. You know I like the snow, and this weather is boring me.

Yup. Barely a quarter of an inch, and it is 31.5o F.
I don't think we're supposed to get much. At least today wasn't a gale like yesterday.

765 winston06  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:30:36pm

Netanyahu's loss is a victory for the Iranian regime. They're scared of Netanyahu.

766 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:31:18pm

re: #764 jwb7605

Yup. Barely a quarter of an inch, and it is 31.5o F.
I don't think we're supposed to get much. At least today wasn't a gale like yesterday.

Well, a quarter is better than what I have, nada.

767 UberInfidel67  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:31:28pm

He usually pulled it out down south, when he was around a lot of black people. Just like he would change his dialect depending upon the audience.


He was playing to his audience..plain and simple. (not the audience)

768 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:32:04pm

re: #749 Arby Dwiar

Cheers!

769 Hobbes  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:33:38pm

re: #691 Last Mohican

As I recall, McCain/Feingold came to be well before this election. Respect him for believing in limiting political speech in that manner? Sorry, I can't buy that. I'm somewhat surprised that you can.

770 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:33:41pm

re: #753 Mich-again

Moby?
I have no idea what that is.

Moby-
1.noun --a liberal techo pop singer 2. A Whale whose last name is Dick.

771 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:34:22pm
772 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:35:30pm

re: #761 Afrocity

Ummm, he said it every day on the campaign trail. He made fun of the diner owner in Ohio "Now my favorite Pie, is sweet potato pie..but he didn;t have any sweet potato pie and I asked if he was a Republican and blah blah Kool aid spew....yada yada Hope Change, your life stinks unless you vote for me ...
"
He usually pulled it out down south, when he was around a lot of black people. Just like he would change his dialect depending upon the audience.


Really? No offense..I saw Obama in a high school gym...he failed to mention it..Along with the watermellon and fried Chicken...
You say you love Steele as a pol..Not because of his colr..but because you love his views..It is distasteful to bring color into this conversation about Obama..He is half white after all..No offense

773 jwb7605  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:36:26pm

3 deleted post on this thread just now!

I was expecting that to happen upstairs -- it's getting strange, bordering on argumentative.

774 Sheepdogess  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:38:25pm

re: #706 nyc redneck

re: #762 nyc redneck

btw, just wondering. . . . do they have a dog ... . . . . yet?
hmmmmm

Uh, that would be a..
BIG.
FAT.
NO.

775 Marvo76  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:39:57pm

re: #610 Luigi

Unbeleivable cynicism from MSLSD..

Pete Williams reports that Patrick Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney in Chicago who brought criminal fraud charges against Rod Blagojevich, will be staying in his job in the Obama administration, even though he was appointed to the position by President George W. Bush.

Then Williams delivers this astounding piece of effrontery...


[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

Normal, huh? Yeah, when Bush replaced just some of them the news media made it look like the world was exploding.

Williams is presenting it in this fashion to provide cover for Obama in case he wishes to get rid of Fitzgerald.


Or its normal cause bubba clintoon did it..

776 Mich-again  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:40:21pm

re: #748 3 wood

U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said the recovery plan will “take time” to bear fruit.

You can build confidence in one day. Thats the thing missing.

777 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:40:51pm

re: #772 HoosierHoops

Really? No offense..I saw Obama in a high school gym...he failed to mention it..Along with the watermellon and fried Chicken...
You say you love Steele as a pol..Not because of his colr..but because you love his views..It is distasteful to bring color into this conversation about Obama..He is half white after all..No offense

Hoosier that Pie story went a long way, and mentioned many times. I don't know how you missed it. As far as the chicken. Go look up a WBEZ radio interview where he talks about Dixie Kitchen- a soul food restaurant.

I don't like any one dumbing down my race. Obama does that on many accounts and many blacks who vote against him feel the same way. Obama is bi-racial. Obama is Kenyan American. Obama is the first president of color.
IMO Obama is not Af-American. He is a Black American. Which is different.

778 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:42:06pm

re: #765 winston06

Netanyahu's loss is a victory for the Iranian regime. They're scared of Netanyahu.

Netanyahu has not lost.

779 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:44:56pm

re: #765 winston06

Netanyahu's loss is a victory for the Iranian regime. They're scared of Netanyahu.


Sorry, You don't know what you're talking about. Don't feel bad, the MSM won't understand either. The Israeli right won a major victory, and will put together a coalition this week.There are no numbers that work for Livni. She won't get Lieberman or Likud. She can't get Shas or UTJ along with Meretz. She can't even hold Labor if she includes the arab parties, and then she is still five seats short. She is essentially behind 65-44. Peres, Omert, and the Supreme Court may conspire against Netanyahu, but Livni cannot get a majority, and Bibi, Lieberman, and the right have one already. Bibi is going to have to give Lieberman an awful lot, but he will.

780 Hobbes  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:46:02pm

re: #757 Walter L. Newton

It does make one wonder, doesn't it?

781 Marvo76  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:46:25pm

re: #712 Hobbes

ON the Flip side now, and I bring this up because I am begining to think the alternative might be easier to deal with, "If Edwards had dropped out sooner, President Hillary would have been CIC." He screwed her pretty bad, dropping out would have given her the nomination with delegates to spare, and really hate to say thiswe might be better off now...( don't beat me please)

782 NY Nana  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:46:30pm

re: #765 winston06

Winston,

This, from Carl in Jerusalem, might make you feel better!

783 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:47:07pm

re: #780 Hobbes

It does make one wonder, doesn't it?

Yes it does. We'll see.

784 LGoPs  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:47:28pm

re: #780 Hobbes

It does make one wonder, doesn't it?

My radar is up.........

785 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:50:38pm

re: #781 Marvo76

ON the Flip side now, and I bring this up because I am begining to think the alternative might be easier to deal with, "If Edwards had dropped out sooner, President Hillary would have been CIC." He screwed her pretty bad, dropping out would have given her the nomination with delegates to spare, and really hate to say thiswe might be better off now...( don't beat me please)

That is very accurate. I know many that voted for Edwards and did not vote for Obama in the general. Her campaign was run poorly. I still think McCain did the best he could but Obama had the grassroots stuff and this is "historic moment". I was disappointed that many black voted for him despite their misgivings. I thought the race baiting was awful. Reverse racism was rampant and I saw it as not racially empowering. This is my opinion as a black woman.

786 Hobbes  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:51:25pm

re: #781 Marvo76

ON the Flip side now, and I bring this up because I am begining to think the alternative might be easier to deal with, "If Edwards had dropped out sooner, President Hillary would have been CIC." He screwed her pretty bad, dropping out would have given her the nomination with delegates to spare, and really hate to say thiswe might be better off now...( don't beat me please)

I won't beat you. I would have had a hard time choosing between McCain and Hillary. Ha!

787 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:53:45pm

Think about this, the Israeli Nationalist/Religious parties have a greater majority (55%) than Obama had in the US election.

Furthermore, they don't count the active IDF votes until tomorrow.

788 Marvo76  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:53:46pm

Well I am also saying she would have done a better job from day one than the Osiah and for that reason we would be better off right now....

789 Hobbes  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:54:03pm

re: #785 Afrocity

That is very accurate. I know many that voted for Edwards and did not vote for Obama in the general. Her campaign was run poorly. I still think McCain did the best he could but Obama had the grassroots stuff and this is "historic moment". I was disappointed that many black voted for him despite their misgivings. I thought the race baiting was awful. Reverse racism was rampant and I saw it as not racially empowering. This is my opinion as a black woman.

How about you giving an opinion as an American. That goes on here a lot and it seems to work pretty well.

790 Marvo76  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:54:32pm

Not that I would hav voted for her though, she just wouldn't have screwed up as bad as he has out of the gate

791 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:56:15pm

re: #788 Marvo76

Well I am also saying she would have done a better job from day one than the Osiah and for that reason we would be better off right now....

True. She would have been the devil we knew. At she and McCain both would have been an equal ticket in terms of experience. Obama did not deserve to be the nominee based upon his experience. Now his being a novice shows.

792 swamprat  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 6:56:30pm

Just changed my homepage to "scroogle".
Seems to load faster, and the hesitation I used to have every few seconds is gone.

793 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:00:07pm

Here is another fact. Three months ago Livni couldn't put a coalition together when she had an MK Kadima/Labor core of 55 seats. Now she has 41.

794 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:03:03pm

re: #789 Hobbes

How about you giving an opinion as an American. That goes on here a lot and it seems to work pretty well.

I just gave my opinion as an American. My being African American is a part of my identity, and so is my gender. Now no offense but yesterday someone said that there was one woman of color on this blog? I am a very open person about race relations and the election of 2008 had much to do with race. For my race it changed us forever. I do not think it was for positive reasons.

I always had conservative fiscal views. My mom told me I should stay a democrat because there is no place for blacks in the GOP,that the party was for racists and rich people. Condi Rice changed that for me. I realized that the DNC was really in my life because of my color.

795 winston06  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:07:04pm

I think their Ron Paul like candidate ruined the election for Netanyahu ;-) /jk

796 hazzyday  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:07:38pm

re: #712 Hobbes

McCain never would have been the Republican candidate if it hadn't been for New Hampshire where ACORN came in and got the opposition eliminated and Iowa where busloads from Chicago sponsored by ACORN corrupted the ridiculous caucus process. The GOP candidate was chosen by Democratic crossover voters in primary after primary. Sarah Palin was our only hope. And during the campaign when the MSM went after her, McCain was silent. And his handlers weakened Sarah whenever possible. Check the history on this and you may find some difficulty in maintaining your feelings about McCain.

I was neutral on McCain. I thought the MSM was propping him up early on for free. But I grew to like his story of service and the choices he had to make. Yet he didn't run negative enough. He let democratic shills shift him away from negative as being bad. I think his campaign was weak that way. And his post campaign lack of support for Gov. Palin disturbs me. She put energy into his campaign.

797 Hobbes  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:08:32pm

re: #794 Afrocity

Just trying to offer some helpful advice.

798 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:08:53pm

Haaretz claims to have 100% (not including the IDF vote):

799 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:11:16pm

re: #796 hazzyday

McCain does show luke warm support for Palin now. I don't know what went on post campaign. I remember in the beginning he looked as though he had no confidence in her. I admire her and she added so much to that campaign. The press maligned her and McCain was a bit AWOL on defending her. The entire election was surreal on so many levels.

800 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:11:35pm

Of course, had Bibi not given Moshe Feiglin such a hard time (knocking him from 20th to 36th on the Likud list), Likud would have won in a walk. Much of the right didn't trust Netanyahu and went to the smaller parties.

801 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:13:27pm

re: #797 Hobbes

Just trying to offer some helpful advice.

Fair enough Hobbes.
(offers a Starburst)

802 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:15:14pm
803 hazzyday  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:16:19pm

re: #742 Afrocity

They are liars. He is Muslim. I have no issues with it but I hate liars. There will be no dog for the kids. Mark my words.

I wonder what church he goes to now. If his Muslim heritage comes out at all it will be under duress. But I doubt it. It would be too tough on his family. I used to think Mosques were cool, I don't anymore.

804 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:16:45pm

re: #794 Afrocity

If my mom told me something that ignorant and stupid I wouldn't broadcast it.

805 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:19:38pm

watching israeli tv

hahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

livni is screeeeeeeeeeeewed

806 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:21:22pm
807 [deleted]  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:22:06pm
808 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:22:16pm

re: #385 Wishing

Mechaleket the

the tea lady with the cart...would you like nana in your tea.

Bwahahaha.

809 dapperdave  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:22:21pm

re: #805 WriterMom

Who's ahead if you don't mind me asking? drudge has them tied

810 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:23:36pm

re: #807 ploome hineni

It's a specialty cable channel...you can get it in the US through Dish I think...it's also available on line.."The Israeli Network".

811 Afrocity  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:24:19pm

re: #804 Spare O'Lake

Spare, My mom died in 2007. She hated Ron Reagan and Nixon. I deep down was always center right. I was a kid and knew that Carter was a dope and Mondale, Dukakis were even worse candidates. I saw the DEMS use blacks for votes and did nothing for us nor empowered us. DEMS rely upon constituencies of victims. I won't to get other AA's to see that the DNC is not the party that MLK would have wanted us to belong too.

My mom never lived to see Obama win. I hope she forgives me for not voting for him. I could not do it.

812 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:25:42pm

re: #809 dapperdave

With 98% of the votes counted, Kadima is still ahead of Likud..but the soldier's votes have not been all counted and they usually vote right, and Livni is begging Netanyahu to have a coalition government. Kadima has nobody to turn to to create a coalition. I think it was 28 Likud and 29 Kadima at 98% counted.

813 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:27:04pm

It's great news for the Israeli right that as things now stand Bibi needs the four seats from the National Union. Of course, if Livni recognizes that she can't win, she may just agree to form a coalition with Netanyahu in which she would probably remain Foreign Minister. This is probably what Bibi wants rather than to be owing to each one of the nationalist and religious parties.

814 ilan toren  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:27:29pm

This thing could be much worse. The right block is still significantly larger than the left block and there is very little likelihood that Olmert's plan of "disengagement 2" in Judea and Samaria will take place now. In terms of economics all Israeli parties would be termed 'socialist' by American standards. Netanyahu is more free market, but in the current situation he will steer the economic policy to try to keep the recession off. Israel lacks the buffer that was there when he left the treasury ministry. Bar On, his Kadima successor, authorized a lot of expenditures on things that ate away all the good gained from the budget cutting. Disengagement alone cost some 10 billion NIS then we had this last Gaza war another large expenditure caused by our 'cost saving' measure of leaving Gaza.

Hopefully the thinner margin will spur the smaller parties to act a bit more responsibly and to work with the Likud to address the countries problems. There is always the option of a care-taker non-initiative Kadima/Likud/Israel Beitainu/Labor government. Netanyahu would want to avoid that, but he'll take that over new elections.

815 dapperdave  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:28:16pm

re: #812 WriterMom

thanks...that's close

816 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:30:52pm

re: #814 ilan toren

also nice to see Meretz obliterated...POOOF. And Labour...maybe Ehud Barak that puffy dickhead surrender monkey will retire.

817 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:34:10pm

With 99% (w/o the IDF vote), Livni can get 44 seats from Kadima, Labor, and Meretz, while the right wing and religious parties have a parliamentary majority of 64 seats. The arab parties have 12 seats.

Livni has no control, accept for maybe the calender (Peres can give her the first shot) and the threat that the Olmert government will cut a deal with the PLO before Peres lets Bibi form a new government.

818 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:35:18pm

re: #815 dapperdave

It's not close at all.

819 ilan toren  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:37:38pm

re: #817 Biff

With 99% (w/o the IDF vote), Livni can get 44 seats from Kadima, Labor, and Meretz, while the right wing and religious parties have a parliamentary majority of 64 seats. The arab parties have 12 seats.

If past years are any indicator about 4-5 seats are in the army count with 2/3 going right and1/3 left so Meretz might go back to 4 but the overall block might move a bit more rightward by 1 seat. Meretz is down but not out. Barak will face a leadership challenge.

820 dapperdave  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:39:52pm

re: #818 Biff

You're right, at a glance you would think it was but in Israel I guess things are a little different than in the U.S.

821 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 7:44:51pm

re: #820 dapperdave

Thanks Dave, that was a very dapper reply.

822 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:05:08pm

re: #711 itellu3times

Yeah.

What's the deal ... with 'us' anyway.

"itu3t"

"AND WHATEVER HE SAYS - I'm Against It - No Matter who conceived or who commenced it - I'M AGAINST IT!"

-S-

823 So?  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:28:44pm

Just tuned in...too tired to read all the posts.
Who's winning?

824 So?  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 8:30:45pm

re: #823 So?

Just tuned in...too tired to read all the posts.
Who's winning?

ok. I just read Biff's post: seems to sum things up.

It's great news for the Israeli right that as things now stand Bibi needs the four seats from the National Union. Of course, if Livni recognizes that she can't win, she may just agree to form a coalition with Netanyahu in which she would probably remain Foreign Minister. This is probably what Bibi wants rather than to be owing to each one of the nationalist and religious parties.

825 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 9:17:57pm

re: #814 ilan toren

Good analysis, but if there is a centrist coalition it may be a very narrow Likud, Kadima, Shas government. Bibi may not be a huge fan of Lieberman (read sees him as a political threat), and this would put the most ministries in the hands of the old Sharon Likudniks. Not the government the right or most Likud members wants, but Bibi might see it as giving himself the most control, the least political debts, and putting himself in the best light with the Obama administration. Considering the efforts Netanyahu made to keep Feiglin out of the Knesset (probably costing himself a clear plurality), does it figure he wants to bring the NU in?

Believe me, I hope it doesn't happen this way, and dislike even writing about it. The election results should dictate a Nationalist/Religious right governement, but this is Israel.

826 Biff  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:30:40pm

Here are the options presented by IsraelNationalNews.com

827 ilan toren  Tue, Feb 10, 2009 10:47:16pm

re: #825 Biff

Good analysis, but if there is a centrist coalition it may be a very narrow Likud, Kadima, Shas government. Bibi may not be a huge fan of Lieberman (read sees him as a political threat), and this would put the most ministries in the hands of the old Sharon Likudniks.

A Likud-Kadima-Israel Beiteinu government is a real possibility, although Livni would have to yield on her plans for negotiations with the PLO. Her peace schemes won't happen with either Netanyahu or Lieberman and certainly not with both. Labor wouldn't join this coalition for several reasons: Lieberman is problematic to most of Labor, their peace agenda wouldn't exist, and Labor would be the most junior partner. In other words, all pain with no gain.

Netanyahu still hopes to hurry on the collapse of Kadima by keeping it out of the government. It is a party with no real ideology, no internal cohesion, and half the members stand to get indicted and thrown out in any case. Also they ran on a "Bibi is scum" platform. For Netanyahu this is pay back time and big.

Lieberman will not go in with Likud and Labor. It will be too much the minority and would sell it's future for today.

The key player is Shas. If Shas is willing to cooperate to make a stable coaltion with Israel Beiteinu then there will be a stable government. It needs to help Lieberman find some way of fulfilling his promises towards his electorate on issues of religion and state. Possible, but unclear if probable.

828 Green Helmet Guy  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 2:15:11am

re: #1 Occasional Reader

Votes are not hole punched in Israel. A slip of paper with the party name and initials is placed in an envelope and then inserted into a locked voting box.

829 akak  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 3:16:43am

re: #827 ilan toren

Shas have lost their way, is there an east or west wind blowing today?

830 Fuzuli  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 4:09:55am

re: #827 ilan toren

If Kadima had no real ideology, then how come it could get so many votes? People could have voted for Labor or Meretz (for left-leaning voters) or Likud (for right-leaning centrist voters). Even if one considers Kadima as the main "No Netanyahu" magnet, it still doesn't explain how Kadima emerged victorious, instead of another party.

It looks like it boils down to this:
1) Livni is selected to form the government: Kadima-Yisrael Beiteinu (YB)-Labor-Shas
2) Livni is selected, but cannot form the government/Netanyahu is selected: Same as above, but with Likud replacing Kadim
3) National unity government: Kadima + Likud + one of the below
- YB
- Labor
- Shas

Option #1 and #2 is basically the same thing and was virtually identical to the outgoing Israeli government (with YB replacing Pensioners). With YB much more hard-line (and populist) than Pensioners, political viability of #1 and #2 is low.
Option #3 seems to be the strongest of the three alternatives. The question is that which would be the 3rd party. YB has the highest number of MKs out of three, but its goals is radically different from Kadima and its leader is ... an eccentric, to say the least. Shas seems more level-headed compared to YB, but it too has compatibility issues with Kadima.
So, the most viable option looks like Kadima-Likud-Labor, with Netanyahu as Finance Minister (whom had a successful stint in 03-05) and Barak as Defense Minister. Netanyahu himself said that he could be a part of national unity government. İf Livni offers him a rotating PM - where he and Livni would be prime minister in turns, he could be persuaded to join the government.
So what will happen if option #1 or #2 happens? I guess a repeat of 06-09: Unstable governments with an election in 2-3 years.

831 KillNasrallah  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:04:58am

Kadima has a 36,000 vote advantage and one mandate.The IDF vote and those of overseas state employees have not yet been counted.IDF infantry soldiers tend to vote more right so the one mandate could swing back to Netanyahu.Either way if Peres does his job he will select Netanyahu to form a government.We are here because just months ago Livni was unable to form a government not that the right has 15 more mandates she would have to get down and dirty to be able to form some sort of coalition.The right has won and they will grow even larger in the next election as it become clearer to the naive leftists that the Arabs don't want and can't deliver any type of peace.

832 KillNasrallah  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:13:42am

Likud will not join Kadima,YB will not join kadima.YB will sit with Shas and agree to disagree on certain principals.Labour will not join any coalition as it has said so already 1000 times in the last 12 hours.Likud+YB+Shas+all other rightist parties will for a stable 65 mandate government ,If Livni wants in it will be even more stable.But Livni will be unable to form a sustainable government and knowing this Peres will select Netanyahu.

The whole system needs a change both Barak and Lieberman stated this in there speeches last night the way the system works is so terribly counter productive to achieving anything that it must be changed.

833 bombarafat  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:30:20am

Tzippy=Tzipporah=Lady Brid

Hanging Chad is Tal'loi Tzad

834 zturlte  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:42:18am

I am starting to understand...maybe the predicament the people of Israel are in. They want to protect themselves but not seen as the aggressor. They want to be seen as humanitarian not weak.
I personally think it is one way or another and you have to pick. You are going to piss people off either way. Personally they need to finish the job, I agree with John Bolten, nobody wants to own the Palestinian problem but everyone complains about Israel. With all the land that Saudi Arabia has they won't even give a pinch of the desert to them. The Jordanians who are Palestinians don't want anything to do with them. The Egyptians which could probably help won't lift a hand. The Palestinians problem won't begin to be resolved until the Iran nuke issue is solved and everyone knows it.

835 Ilan Toren  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:58:04am

re: #830 Fuzuli

If you call "we are a center party, our leader is a woman, and Bibi is bad" an ideology so be it.

There is no chance that a Likud-Kadima-Labor coalition will happen. That would perpetually put the Likud as the minority opinion. If Likud goes into a coalition with Kadima it will be a last choice and only with Yisrael Beiteinu. Such a coalition would be possible although Labor would not go into such a coalition in one piece. About half the party would go into the opposition before sitting in the same coalition with Lieberman. The only way Kadima will be in the ruling coalition will be if it gives up over it's plan to expel 60,000 from their homes in Judea and Samaria. On that point at least the public was pretty clear.


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