Dr. Death Still Alive?

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The Simon Wiesenthal Center suspects someone is lying: Nazi hunters doubt ‘Dr. Death’ truly dead.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center said on Thursday it had “serious doubts” about reports that Aribert Heim, dubbed ‘Dr. Death’ for killing concentration camp inmates with lethal injections to the heart, died in Cairo in 1992.
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Efraim Zuroff, director of the Israel office of the center that hunts Nazi war criminals from World War Two, told Reuters “there is no doubt” Heim had lived in Egypt.
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“But the question is whether he died in Egypt. We have serious doubts about that,” Zuroff said of the report carried by German television station ZDF on Wednesday and The New York Times. He cited the absence of any remains or proof of death.
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He said German police had told him they had also not shut the case on Heim, the most notorious of surviving perpetrators of the Nazi killings of 6 million Jews during the war, who has been missing since evading German police in 1962.

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zombie Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:28:43pm

Old Nazis never die...

They just pass their ideology to the next generation.

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:29:19pm

When was Aribert Heim born?

Dr. Death has to be freaking old by now...

winston06 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:30:48pm

Catch him and put him on trial!

Sharmuta Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:31:08pm

Well- I hope wherever his body may be, the rest of him is in hell.

Cato the Elder Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:31:14pm

I always seem to post things at the tale end of a thread, just as a new one appears. So, Charles, I'm taking the liberty of reposting this here. If that irks you, feel free to delete.

In case anyone still trusts the mask Robert Spencer wears, consider this:

He has today joined two new Facebook groups.

The first, "CAMPAIGN FOR THE 'RECONQUISTA' IN ANATOLIA!" (note the knuckle-dragger "shouting" in all caps), has as its opening paragraph the following:

The official facebook [sic] group for the Reconquest of the Anatolian Penninsular [sic]; a European region in Asia [sic] which is currently being occupied by the illegal Turkish state and [sic] for the humane and peaceable, yet compulsory systematic and wholesale physical repatriation of all Turkish, Arab and Muslim populations living within this area.

The group currently has 315 members, with Spencer being one of the newest.

One of the three videos posted on the group's page is "The Aryan Nations." I will not link to it here. Those of you on Facebook can go to the page linked above and see for yourselves. According to the stentorian founder, "ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS WILL BE DELETED."

The second new group for Spencer is "Citizens' Declaration of Threat & Plea for Relief", a more innocuous-looking, but still ominous and blatantly anti-Muslim (not just anti-Islamo-Fascist) page that demands, to pick just two items:

4. That foreign aid to Islamic nations cease and aid to nations influenced by Islam be severely curtailed, except to resist jihad.

Presumably this would include Israel, since with its 10% to 15% Arab-Muslim citizens, it can be said to be "influenced by Islam".

7. That immigration reforms immediately be implemented to include a suspension of immigration by Muslims for not less than 20 years, exclusive of apostates seeking asylum.

Of the two pages, the first is by far the worst.

I am writing to Spencer for an explanation. Given that he has willingly joined a group that features Nazi propaganda, I'm not expecting it to be positive.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:31:19pm

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Boxy_brown Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:31:55pm

It actually makes perfect sense that an x-death camp Nazi would move to a muslim country.

x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:33:03pm

re: #7 Boxy_brown

It actually makes perfect sense that an x-death camp Nazi would move to a muslim country.

Where do you think they learned it from?

HelloDare Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:33:10pm

Rumors have it that he's in Syria receiving the Grand Mufti of Palestine Citizenship Award.

Ringo the Gringo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:33:49pm

If he were still alive how old would he be?

Tarkus289 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:34:37pm

Too old.

Boxy_brown Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:34:44pm

re: #8 x-wing

Where do you think they learned it from?

Well... The koran to be specific. But the "Dr." did find some like minded folks.

Sharmuta Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:35:00pm

Has anyone check Le Pen's place?

jcm Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:35:08pm

Hopefully the Mossad well get a line on him and fix the grime reapers oversight.

zombie Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:35:08pm

Speaking of Nazis...

I've been reading about the film "The Reader," starring Kate Winslet, which has been nominated for five Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Actress.

In the film, Winslet plays a mass murdering Nazi pedophile -- and we're supposed to have sympathy for her! We get to watch her repeatedly having sex with a 15-year-old!

I think there is something deeply sick about this. Kate Winslet is very beautiful, and when a beautiful actress plays a sympathetic character, the goal (of the producers) is to create an emotional bond from the audience with that character. Except this particular character, according to the plot, sent Jews heartlessly to their deaths, by the hundreds. And then we're supposed to feel pity for her because she's embarrassed about being illiterate!

Oh, how our culture has fallen since the days of Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice. In that film, at least the Nazi was the villain -- not the heroine!

Alberta Oil Peon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:36:07pm

Why am I not surprised? Let's face it, one of, if not the classic ploy to get pursuers to abandon your trail is to fake one's own death.

HelloDare Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:36:16pm

Aribert Ferdinand Heim (born 28 June 1914 – allegedly died 10 August 1992)[1] was a former Austrian doctor, also known as Dr. Death. As an SS doctor in a Nazi concentration camp in Mauthausen, he is accused of killing and torturing many inmates by various methods, such as direct injections of toxic compounds into the hearts of his victims.[2] He is alleged to have lived for many years in Cairo, Egypt under the alias of Tarek Farid Hussein and reportedly died there on August 10, 1992 of rectal cancer. His grave and body have not been found.[3][4]

Aviator Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:36:34pm

re: #10 Ringo the Gringo

If he were still alive how old would he be?

x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:36:38pm

re: #12 Boxy_brown

Well... The koran to be specific. But the "Dr." did find some like minded folks.

True..but alot of the Nazis' fled to the Middle East. You can see alot of their footprints in what is happening today.

Sheepdogess Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:37:44pm

He'd be 95.
re: #15 zombie

The new Hollywood is a cesspool.
Period.

faraway Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:38:32pm

Stimulus Statue Erected

FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:39:00pm

re: #15 zombie

Speaking of Nazis...

I've been reading about the film "The Reader," starring Kate Winslet, which has been nominated for five Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Actress.

In the film, Winslet plays a mass murdering Nazi pedophile -- and we're supposed to have sympathy for her! We get to watch her repeatedly having sex with a 15-year-old!

I think there is something deeply sick about this. Kate Winslet is very beautiful, and when a beautiful actress plays a sympathetic character, the goal (of the producers) is to create an emotional bond from the audience with that character. Except this particular character, according to the plot, sent Jews heartlessly to their deaths, by the hundreds. And then we're supposed to feel pity for her because she's embarrassed about being illiterate!

Oh, how our culture has fallen since the days of Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice. In that film, at least the Nazi was the villain -- not the heroine!

Josef Goebbels would cry tears of joy and awe at the propaganda being produced these days showing how bad the JOOOOOOOS are.

Truck Monkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:39:20pm

If he is alive he probably has to be in his 90's. My Father in law was a survivor and was liberated at 18 years old and he just passed away at 82. I hope, if he is still alive, that he is a tired, in pain, miserable old forgotten man just waiting to have his ticket to hell punched.

Sheepdogess Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:40:36pm

re: #15 zombie

I'm tempted to toss my copy of Sense and Sensibility in the rubbish bin.

sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:40:51pm

re: #2 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

When was Aribert Heim born?

Dr. Death has to be freaking old by now...

1914 ,,,,,,

IslandLibertarian Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:41:07pm

When I think about Nazis, with their "swastikas" and crazy ideas about a master race and their uniforms and their rallies, I think, what a bunch of clowns...........'until I remember all the EVIL deeds they performed on innocent people.
Demons, they really are.

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:41:19pm

Did he attend the Vlaams Belang convention?

MandyManners Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:42:35pm

ZDF, in footage from a documentary being aired in full on Thursday, showed Heim's son Ruediger saying his father had died of cancer of the rectum on Aug. 10, 1992, after having spent 30 years in Cairo under an assumed name.

Pardon me for making fun of cancer patients but, THIS GUY WAS NOT A PERFECT ASSHOLE, AFTER ALL.

x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:44:15pm

On a lighter note.

Hey,where are all the white women at?

Blazing Saddles is on Sunday at 8EST on AMC. 35th anniversary.

I can't beleive I was only 8 years old when the movie came out.

/do the math...I'm getting old.

faraway Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:44:55pm

re: #29 x-wing

Hey,where are all the white women at?

Ahh... the age old question.

jcm Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:45:00pm

re: #28 MandyManners

Pardon me for making fun of cancer patients but, THIS GUY WAS NOT A PERFECT ASSHOLE, AFTER ALL.

No just a diseased asshole.

sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:45:14pm

re: #29 x-wing

On a lighter note.

Hey,where are all the white women at?

Blazing Saddles is on Sunday at 8EST on AMC. 35th anniversary.

I can't beleive I was only 8 years old when the movie came out.

/do the math...I'm getting old.

I have over a decade on you ,,,,, Catch up and THEN tell me about "old" !

Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:45:45pm

re: #29 x-wing

On a lighter note.

Hey,where are all the white women at?

Blazing Saddles is on Sunday at 8EST on AMC. 35th anniversary.

I can't beleive I was only 8 years old when the movie came out.

/do the math...I'm getting old.

And, of course, that movie could not be made today.

Sharmuta Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:46:05pm

re: #5 Cato the Elder

I'm glad you reposted it, and I'm glad you found this information in the first place.

What little of his reputation robert has left, he seems quite anxious to complete decimate the remainder.

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:47:46pm

re: #28 MandyManners

Pardon me for making fun of cancer patients but, THIS GUY WAS NOT A PERFECT ASSHOLE, AFTER ALL.

That makes me feel all warm and tingly inside.

No really, I do feel bad for the cancer.

HelloDare Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:48:11pm

re: #33 Occasional Reader

And, of course, that movie could not be made today.

Maybe, maybe not. Blazing Turbans, definitely not.

sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:49:06pm

On 6 July 2008 Dr. Efraim Zuroff, the Wiesenthal Center's chief Nazi-hunter, headed to South America as part of a public campaign to capture the most wanted Nazi in the world and bring him to justice, claiming that Heim was alive and hiding in Patagonia, either in Chile or Argentina. He elaborated on July 15, 2008 that he was sure Heim was alive and the groundwork had been laid to capture him within weeks

guess not !

x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:50:24pm

re: #32 sattv4u2

I have over a decade on you ,,,,, Catch up and THEN tell me about "old" !

Believe me, if I knew I was going to live this long, I would've taken better care of myself (but what fun would that be). I think I passed middle age about eight years ago ;>}

faraway Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:51:03pm

Problems facing our Socialism by Barak H Obama Sr.

Needs reprinting about now.

x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:51:22pm

re: #33 Occasional Reader

And, of course, that movie could not be made today.

That really does suck. People today don't know what funny is.

MandyManners Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:51:35pm

But, wait. If he's not really dead, does the lie about how he died count?

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:52:47pm

re: #41 MandyManners

But, wait. If he's not really dead, does the lie about how he died count?

Maybe he's alive, but still has cancer of the asshole?

Olderthandirt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:52:51pm

If This bastard is still alive, he needs to be hung. Even if he's on his death bed and 110-years old, he needs to be hung! The only mercy for this bastard is God's Mercy, which He may grant as He sees fit.

Heim must pay for his crimes.

notutopia Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:53:42pm

Dr. Death, Don't Fear the Reaper.

Youtube Video

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:54:00pm

But, but, but, George Galloway says Israel is worse than the nazis!

MandyManners Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:55:02pm

re: #42 Alouette

Maybe he's alive, but still has cancer of the asshole?

Or, maybe he's just a cancerous asshole.

MandyManners Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:55:45pm

I cannot believe I've started this line of thought. I bow out.

MandyManners Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:56:10pm

re: #47 MandyManners

I cannot believe I've started this line of thought. I bow out.

And, I apologize.

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:56:21pm

re: #39 faraway

Problems facing our Socialism by Barak H Obama Sr.

Needs reprinting about now.

And this nut was the father of our president?! We are in so much trouble.

FrogMarch Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:56:28pm

Did anyone watch the show that was on after Nova (last night?)
it was about a woman who survived, and the daughter of one of the most cruel nazi's - (I can't think of his name damn it!)
It was chilling.
the cruelty perpetrated on innocents will never stop being intensely sickening.

sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:56:55pm

re: #47 MandyManners

I cannot believe I've started this line of thought. I bow out.

You CAN'T ?!?!?! Have you never read your posts !?!?!?!?!?!?

/// MAJOR LEAGUE DUCKIN HERE !

notutopia Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:57:09pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Or, maybe he's just a cancerous asshole.

Now, That is an olfactory nightmare!
Break out the Vick's salve!

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:57:20pm

re: #44 notutopia

Dr. Death, Don't Fear the Reaper.

[Video]

One of my ringtones right now and a true classic. Thanks.

HelloDare Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:58:25pm

re: #45 Alouette

But, but, but, George Galloway says Israel is worse than the nazis!

/

His wife took that Saddam oil kickback money. No consequences?

iLikeCandy Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:58:42pm

I can only hope that the lives of these hidden Nazis are ones of fear, depression, an unsatisfied craving for home, the deep shame of having been cast from civil society, an infinite regret that they cannot share the truth of their lives with their children and grandchildren, an intense consciousness that their deeds have delivered them to their plight, and the knowledge that their only respite is death.

Killian Bundy Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:58:42pm

Doctor Death

/the artist one

jcm Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:59:17pm

re: #45 Alouette

But, but, but, George Galloway says Israel is worse than the nazis!

/

Galloway is serious intellectual with expertise.

///

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:00:35pm

re: #55 iLikeCandy

I can only hope that the lives of these hidden Nazis are ones of fear, depression, an unsatisfied craving for home, the deep shame of having been cast from civil society, an infinite regret that they cannot share the truth of their lives with their children and grandchildren, an intense consciousness that their deeds have delivered them to their plight, and the knowledge that their only respite is death.

Satan has other plans for them.

FrogMarch Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:00:52pm

re: #57 jcm

Galloway is serious intellectual with expertise.

///

That always makes me laugh (no wait - cringe). They guy next to him looks like Pete Burns.

x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:01:43pm

re: #50 FrogMarch

Did anyone watch the show that was on after Nova (last night?)
it was about a woman who survived, and the daughter of one of the most cruel nazi's - (I can't think of his name damn it!)
It was chilling.
the cruelty perpetrated on innocents will never stop being intensely sickening.

Josef Mengele, the Angel of Death?

HelloDare Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:02:23pm

Favorite passwords: "1234" and "password"

A statistical analysis of 28,000 passwords recently stolen from a popular US website and posted on the Internet reveals that people often do the easy thing.

It found that 16 percent took a first name as a password, often their own or one of their children, according to the study published by Information Week.

Another 14 percent relied on the easiest keyboard combinations to remember such as "1234" or "12345678." For those using English keyboards, "QWERTY", was popular. Likewise, "AZERTY" scored with people with European keyboards.

Five percent of the stolen passwords were names of television shows or stars popular with young people like "hannah," inspired by singer Hannah Montana. "Pokemon," "Matrix," and "Ironman" were others.

The word "password," or easy to guess variations like "password1," accounted for four percent.

Three percent of the passwords expressed attitudes like "I don't care," "Whatever," "Yes" or "No."

sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:02:29pm

re: #57 jcm

Galloway is serious intellectual with expertise.

///

Way back in my early 20's, I started a T-Shirt company (screen printing company logos,,,, sports team uniforms ,,, etc)
I named the company Expert T's

((theres 7 seconds of your life you'll never get back !)

[deleted] Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:02:31pm

jcm Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:04:49pm

re: #62 sattv4u2

Way back in my early 20's, I started a T-Shirt company (screen printing company logos,,,, sports team uniforms ,,, etc)
I named the company Expert T's

((theres 7 seconds of your life you'll never get back !)

ROFL!

You owe me!

You're not the only one....

FrogMarch Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:05:05pm

re: #60 x-wing

Josef Mengele, the Angel of Death?

It was this guy: Goth.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In Płaszów, Göth tortured and murdered prisoners on a daily basis. During his time at Płaszów, Göth allegedly shot over 500 Jews himself; Poldek Pfefferberg, one of the Schindler Jews, famously said, "When you saw Göth, you saw death." Göth spared the life of a Jewish prisoner Natalia Hubler, later famous as Natalia Karp, after hearing her play a Nocturne by Chopin on the piano the day after she arrived at the Płaszów camp.

swamprat Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:05:10pm

Might want to check out people working for the Hess oil refinery on St Croix in the very early '80s. Worked as an engineer, and lived on St Thomas.

Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:05:52pm

re: #15 zombie

Speaking of Nazis...

I've been reading about the film "The Reader," starring Kate Winslet, which has been nominated for five Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Actress.

In the film, Winslet plays a mass murdering Nazi pedophile -- and we're supposed to have sympathy for her! We get to watch her repeatedly having sex with a 15-year-old!

I think there is something deeply sick about this. Kate Winslet is very beautiful, and when a beautiful actress plays a sympathetic character, the goal (of the producers) is to create an emotional bond from the audience with that character. Except this particular character, according to the plot, sent Jews heartlessly to their deaths, by the hundreds. And then we're supposed to feel pity for her because she's embarrassed about being illiterate!

Oh, how our culture has fallen since the days of Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice. In that film, at least the Nazi was the villain -- not the heroine!

Yes, the review in The Jewish Advocate (Boston's Jewish newspaper, and actually quite good) was also negative.

sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:06:12pm

re: #64 jcm

ROFL!

You owe me!

You're not the only one....

I know. I should have incorporated and trademarked the name. But I was young and dumb (as I said, it was when I was in my early 20's ,,,, more than 30 years ago)

NOW ,, I'm old and dumb !

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:06:15pm

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

The nadir of corruption in American film was reached with the first "X-Men" film, in which the villain is a Jewish Holocaust survivor who is prevented from re-enacting the Akeidah--the Binding of Isaac--in the Statue of Liberty only by the intervention of the "good guys."

This was one of the most profoundly antisemitic films in recent memory, and it was produced by nominal Jew Stan Lee.

Interesting--I actually loved that film, both because Magneto is a survivor, and because his conversations with Xavier are so overlaid with arguments about Jewish survival. I've known old guys like both of them.

I'll have to watch it again, and see if your interpretation changes anything for me.

Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:07:09pm

re: #21 faraway

Stimulus Statue Erected

A dirty big Viagra Tablet?

Scion9 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:07:14pm

re: #15 zombie

I've read the novel. I'm not sure how the movie plays out, but if it follows the course of the book I wouldn't characterize it as invoking sympathy for any the Nazis. The book was ultimately about the 15 year old boy, and his coming to terms with his adolescent lover having been a war criminal when he finds out about it as an adult, and not the woman herself.

The whole story is supposed to be a metaphor for the Germans in the generation growing up after the war dealing with the guilt of the Holocaust.

Winslet's character specifically is a stand in for all the rank and file that went along with the Nazis that were not hardened ideologues. The kinds of people that made up a significant portion of the previous generation, and many of which got off scot free. Her actions are never excused, and are really secondary to the allegory. It is the examination of her motives that are central to the story.

I actually thought it was quite good. While there is sympathy for the woman by way of the protagonist because of their tryst, the book isn't pushing an apologetic agenda for the Nazis.

Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:09:21pm

re: #61 HelloDare

Favorite passwords: "1234" and "password"

A statistical analysis of 28,000 passwords recently stolen from a popular US website and posted on the Internet reveals that people often do the easy thing.

It found that 16 percent took a first name as a password, often their own or one of their children, according to the study published by Information Week.

Another 14 percent relied on the easiest keyboard combinations to remember such as "1234" or "12345678." For those using English keyboards, "QWERTY", was popular. Likewise, "AZERTY" scored with people with European keyboards.

Five percent of the stolen passwords were names of television shows or stars popular with young people like "hannah," inspired by singer Hannah Montana. "Pokemon," "Matrix," and "Ironman" were others.

The word "password," or easy to guess variations like "password1," accounted for four percent.

Three percent of the passwords expressed attitudes like "I don't care," "Whatever," "Yes" or "No."

Dark Helmet: So the combination is... one, two, three, four, five? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! The kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!
Pres. Skroob: I have to change the combination on my luggage.

I wonder what combination 0bama uses?

sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:09:42pm

re: #70 Dustyvet

A dirty big Viagra Tablet?

If I go pee on the "medallaion", it will be worth twice as much ,, no ?

Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:10:21pm

re: #73 sattv4u2

If I go pee on the "medallaion", it will be worth twice as much ,, no ?

Have at it...:)

Killian Bundy Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:10:36pm

Asia's Jewish myths

A CHINESE bestseller titled The Currency War describes how Jews are planning to rule the world by manipulating the international financial system. The book is reportedly read in the highest government circles. If so, this does not bode well for the international financial system, which relies on well-informed Chinese to help it recover from the present crisis.

Such conspiracy theories are not rare in Asia. Japanese readers have shown a healthy appetite over the years for books such as To Watch Jews is to See the World Clearly, The Next Ten Years: How to Get an Inside View of the Jewish Protocols and I'd Like to Apologise to the Japanese - A Jewish Elder's Confession (written by a Japanese author, of course, under the made-up name of Mordecai Mose). All these books are variations of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Russian forgery first published in 1903, which the Japanese came across after defeating the tsar's army in 1905.

The Chinese picked up many modern Western ideas from the Japanese. Perhaps this is how Jewish conspiracy theories were passed on as well. But Southeast Asians are not immune to this kind of nonsense either. Former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamed has said that "the Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them." And a recent article in a leading business magazine in The Philippines explained how Jews had always controlled the countries they lived in, including the US today.

In the case of Mahathir, a twisted kind of Muslim solidarity is probably at work. But, unlike European or Russian anti-Semitism, the Asian variety has no religious roots. No Chinese or Japanese has blamed Jews for killing their holy men or believed that their children's blood ended up in Passover matzos. In fact, few Chinese, Japanese, Malaysians, or Filipinos have ever seen a Jew, unless they have spent time abroad.

/anti-Semitism, it's not just for Nazis anymore

HelloDare Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:10:58pm

re: #72 Kosh's Shadow

Dark Helmet: So the combination is... one, two, three, four, five? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! The kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!
Pres. Skroob: I have to change the combination on my luggage.

I wonder what combination 0bama uses?

00000000 or MeMeMeMeMe

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:11:19pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Interesting--I actually loved that film, both because Magneto is a survivor, and because his conversations with Xavier are so overlaid with arguments about Jewish survival. I've known old guys like both of them.

I'll have to watch it again, and see if your interpretation changes anything for me.

I also like the moment in the later movie--can't remember which one-- where the hipster mutant kids are making a big deal about their tattoos.

sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:12:03pm

re: #72 Kosh's Shadow

re: #76 HelloDare
I wonder what combination 0bama uses

666?

notutopia Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:12:07pm

re: #66 swamprat

Might want to check out people working for the Hess oil refinery on St Croix in the very early '80s. Worked as an engineer, and lived on St Thomas.

I have run across many incognito wealthy German's living on the Pacific border of Mexico, North of Las Crux, north of Puerto Vallarta.
Many are old, German speaking, and have been there for many years amongst the locals. No one introduces them by name. They all have nicknames.

NoelArmourson Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:12:19pm

re: #72 Kosh's Shadow

Dark Helmet: So the combination is... one, two, three, four, five? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! The kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!
Pres. Skroob: I have to change the combination on my luggage.

I wonder what combination 0bama uses?

Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:13:27pm

re: #73 sattv4u2

If I go pee on the "medallaion", it will be worth twice as much ,, no ?

That entire bullcrap about "art" on the highway has always been a joke. They had some here in Phoenix. It was over-sized plates and cups, up on a wall. When people found out the state and city had paid $200,000+ for the garbage, people went crazy. I remember one protester decided to add his own "art" and placed a toilet bowl among the other "art" pieces. We could have saved a lot of taxpayer money by just going to Home Depot....

jcm Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:13:35pm

re: #68 sattv4u2

I know. I should have incorporated and trademarked the name. But I was young and dumb (as I said, it was when I was in my early 20's ,,,, more than 30 years ago)

NOW ,, I'm old and dumb !

I've had a couple of "ideas" which I dismissed as dumb. Only to see it in stores a couple of years later.

Older and not any smarter.

imtoast Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:14:56pm

re: #60 x-wing

Josef Mengele, the Angel of Death?

Josef Mengele only had a son. I think his name was Rolf.

sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:15:18pm

FINAL SCORE

UNC 101 ,,, DUKE 87

notutopia Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:15:53pm

re: #84 sattv4u2

FINAL SCORE

UNC 101 ,,, DUKE 87

Bummer!

[deleted] Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:16:19pm

swamprat Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:16:21pm

re: #79 notutopia

Money quote;

"I had a disease, which they knew how to treat at home. So I went back to Germany even though it was dangerous.....(pause)........for my health."

Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:16:48pm

...67% of U.S. voters have more confidence in their own judgment than they do in the average member of Congress....

...Forty-four percent (44%) voters also think a group of people selected at random from the phone book would do a better job addressing the nation’s problems than the current Congress...

Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:17:10pm

re: #80 NoelArmourson

I1

Spaceballs!

Youtube Video

x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:17:32pm

re: #79 notutopia

I have run across many incognito wealthy German's living on the Pacific border of Mexico, North of Las Crux, north of Puerto Vallarta.
Many are old, German speaking, and have been there for many years amongst the locals. No one introduces them by name. They all have nicknames.

What like, Hans Bag of Shnitzel? Verner Two Brats?

Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:17:38pm

I was in a weird position where i had two lawyers working with my archival collection. One for the US justice department and the other for the man that they thought was Nazi. So strange having them work on the same collection.

notutopia Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:17:49pm

re: #87 swamprat

Money quote;

I know a lot of patients who go to Mexico for cancer treatment too.

marwan's daughter Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:19:22pm

re: #5 Cato the Elder

This is very disappointing. I've learnt a lot from Jihad Watch, and his books about Islam and the Qu'ran. He may be right about some things, but I can't buy his whole POV hook line and sinker.

x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:19:30pm

re: #83 imtoast

Josef Mengele only had a son. I think his name was Rolf.

Sorry......huh?

Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:20:15pm

re: #90 x-wing

What like, Hans Bag of Shnitzel? Verner Two Brats?

Paulie Walnüsse und Grosse Katze

Buster Bunny Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:20:23pm

It sounds bad .. but chasing the shadows of Nazis now .. its pretty bad. The ideal period to have done this would have been up to 20-25 years after the event. These guys, IF they still exist .. have lived other lives .. and even for them the memories of the holocaust are just secondary now.

I know we'd love to put them all on trial, but what you end up with is an antisemitic candy day. A tired old man being chased down by a bunch of powerful jews? Smells like media candy to me.

Fight the current battles. There are things in the pipeline that make the Nazis look like apprentices. There are genocidal maniacs with state backing just waiting for their chance to beat down your door.

The real battles for this generation are now .. and they are very visible.

[deleted] Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:20:43pm

x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:21:32pm

re: #84 sattv4u2

FINAL SCORE

UNC 101 ,,, DUKE 87

This is not the Duke I thought I knew.

What's up with these guys, they used to kick ass.

[deleted] Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:22:03pm

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:22:54pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

So, you would say that Stan Lee is an advocate of Replacement Theology?

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imtoast Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:23:03pm

re: #94 x-wing

Sorry......huh?

I'm sorry, I thought you were asing if it was Mengele that was the woman's father who talked about how evil he was on Nova. Mengele only had a son. Sorry again!

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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:23:11pm

re: #96 Buster Bunny
Your view may be different if you were a survivor of one of the camps. THOSE are the people that are hunting their tormentors. You state The real battles for this generation are now .. and they are very visible.. For those survivors, that time is still "very visible"

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swamprat Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:23:24pm

re: #92 notutopia

I don't think it was dangerous for his health medically.

I think going back to Germany potentially could have been unhealthy without a great deal of care.

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:24:17pm

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:24:18pm

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

I remember seeing someone in a German pastry shop in Chicago years ago who wore an enamel Nazi emblem on his watch chain, for whatever that is worth.

Could have been a veteran's souvenir.

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Buster Bunny Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:24:43pm

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

There is an element of Christian legend in most films. What .. you think that Star Wars with a virgin birth for Anakin .. a tutor who is 900 years old (Methusaleh is believed to have lived 967 years) and a son who fights for redemption of the faith is a new idea?

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:25:06pm

re: #96 Buster Bunny

War crimes have n statute of limitations.
The guy the lawyers using my collections were going after was like 90 years old and a reverend. I never found out if they received proof.

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notutopia Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:25:07pm

re: #93 marwan's daughter

This is very disappointing. I've learnt a lot from Jihad Watch, and his books about Islam and the Qu'ran. He may be right about some things, but I can't buy his whole POV hook line and sinker.

The most disappointing issue for me with him, is he has now tainted his authority of Jihad with misinformation and distrust of his motive for wanting to fight "Jihad".
I find this so hypocritical, I can no longer trust his work.
He has sabotaged his own mission with his hypocrisy.
So, has Geert Wilder. They have become their worst enemy.
Tragically ironic.

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:25:39pm

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Randall Gross Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:25:40pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Buzzsaw, I think you might be reading a bit more into the X Men Film than is really there. Keep in mind that there are plotlines from the comics that have been there quite a while, put there by different authors in varying periods of time. E.G. Wolverine was created by Len Wein with those claws in 1974

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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:25:50pm

re: #105 Alouette

Could have been a veteran's souvenir.

My Grandfather had all sorts of Japanese stuff from World War II. We would ask him where he got it and he would always say, "From a dead Jap". A nice man, but he harbor a hatred against the Japanese people until the day he died.

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:26:06pm

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:26:55pm

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

I remember seeing someone in a German pastry shop in Chicago years ago who wore an enamel Nazi emblem on his watch chain, for whatever that is worth.

Which shop was that? There are not that many such shops left here, though those that remain do a good trade.

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x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:27:21pm

re: #101 imtoast

I'm sorry, I thought you were asing if it was Mengele that was the woman's father who talked about how evil he was on Nova. Mengele only had a son. Sorry again!

No, I was asking if he was talking about Josef that did those evil deeds. Please, no need for apologies.

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:27:42pm

re: #104 buzzsawmonkey

I would say Stan Lee is an asshole who will promote anything that brings him the long green. Beyond that, I can't say.

Fair enough.

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:27:50pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Which shop was that? There are not that many such shops left here, though those that remain do a good trade.

I was thinking the same thing. On the north side maybe?

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Buster Bunny Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:28:51pm

re: #102 sattv4u2

Your view may be different if you were a survivor of one of the camps. THOSE are the people that are hunting their tormentors. You state The real battles for this generation are now .. and they are very visible.. For those survivors, that time is still "very visible"

For anyone who has been within 30 feet of a crowd of Arabs chanting, you would know that you are listening to the next generation of could-be Nazis. Except this group is worldwide now and with powerful fingers in a lot of pies.

I am not demeaning the Holocaust or lessening the need or feeling for revenge that they would seek. But as I said, the time for that is really long gone. All you will find now is 80-90 year olds at best, and that just comes off as antisemitic media candy. We have mad arabs on the doorstep now, and neo-nazis who are passing themselves off as our best friends to get what they want. There are everpresent dangers .. and they are now.

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:29:03pm

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:30:17pm

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:31:31pm

re: #117 Buster Bunny

How do you feel about reparations? Just curious.

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:31:36pm

re: #118 buzzsawmonkey

The roots of adventure/fantasy fiction lie in a swamp of bigotry. The conventions were set down by writers like Sax Rohmer (Fu Manchu), E. Phillips Oppenheim, HP Lovecraft, Robert Howard (Conan), and Edgar Wallace. To a man, they were racists and white supremacists.

I don't know if you've read most of these people; I have. Their racism is open and upfront and, in many cases, crude. And they were the templates from which most modern fantasy fiction draws its conventions.

No, I don't think I'm reading too much into "X-Men."

I don't think J.R.R. Tolkien falls into that category. ISTR a German publishing house that was about to translate The Hobbit in the 1930's asked if he was Jewish. He said he regretted that he was not.

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NoelArmourson Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:32:16pm

re: #118 buzzsawmonkey

The roots of adventure/fantasy fiction lie in a swamp of bigotry. The conventions were set down by writers like Sax Rohmer (Fu Manchu), E. Phillips Oppenheim, HP Lovecraft, Robert Howard (Conan), and Edgar Wallace. To a man, they were racists and white supremacists.

I don't know if you've read most of these people; I have. Their racism is open and upfront and, in many cases, crude. And they were the templates from which most modern fantasy fiction draws its conventions.

No, I don't think I'm reading too much into "X-Men."

Edgar Rice Burroughs was also, in the "Tarzan" series.

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MandyManners Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:32:40pm

re: #51 sattv4u2

You CAN'T ?!?!?! Have you never read your posts !?!?!?!?!?!?

/// MAJOR LEAGUE DUCKIN HERE !

You tell me which posts I have made that mock serious medical issues.

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:32:44pm

re: #116 Afrocity

I was thinking the same thing. On the north side maybe?

All German restaurants and bake shops are on the north side or in the northern suburbs. This is due to the location of the historic German communities in Chicago. Even today, though it is now majority Latino, the area around Lincoln Square in Chicago is know as Germantown. Lincoln Square itself holds the Chicago Brauhaus, a long established and very good German restaurant.

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dragondirt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:34:10pm

Asia's Jewish Myths

This is regarding an article posted at my blog. The link is at the bottom. I felt I had to post my opinion before the link.

This is a great article for all the anti-Semite, conspiracy theorists out there that believe the Jews are taking over the world and every red cent in it.

I am hearing about these theories more and more on social networking site posts. In fact, I am hearing it a lot (and the Madoff scandal didn't help the wack job's theories from continuing).

NEWS FLASH: The Jews are not looking to take over the world. The Jews are not looking to create a new world order and the Jews are not looking to create one currency along with all the other anti-Zionist and NWO theories.

I believe that because of the status of Jews in America (the fact that they are known to be hard workers, financially successful and sometimes shrewed business men) people take the Jewish people out of context.

Struggles only make you stronger, if you choose to overcome. Some go through hell and choose to bask in it, some choose to fight. Many of the Jews that came to the U.S. from Europe, chose not to look back, but rather, learn from the experience and move on to hard work and family.

Read the article I'm speaking of at: [Link: www.dragondirt.org...]

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x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:34:32pm

re: #111 Desert Dog

My Grandfather had all sorts of Japanese stuff from World War II. We would ask him where he got it and he would always say, "From a dead Jap". A nice man, but he harbor a hatred against the Japanese people until the day he died.

I know a few WW2 Veterans, they hold the same view of the "yellow man". It is a shame they feel that way, but I can only read and ask what they went through.
I will not question them on that subject, that is between them and God.

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Buster Bunny Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:34:40pm

re: #120 Afrocity

How do you feel about reparations? Just curious.

Stolen property is not life. Even in the Bible it talks about 'safe house cities' in which a murderer can go to for a period of time. This all boils down to after how long after a crime is a punishment still able to be administered.

Property .. or goods .. with verifiable documentation should be still able to be used as evidence in any case for reparations. Over ANY period of time.

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swamprat Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:34:48pm

re: #66 swamprat

Might want to check out people working for the Hess oil refinery on St Croix in the very early '80s. (He) Worked as an engineer, and lived on St Thomas.

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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:34:48pm

re: #117 Buster Bunny

But as I said, the time for that is really long gone.

And as I've said, NOT for the survivors of that time

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:34:51pm

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MandyManners Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:36:24pm

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

Good night, Buzz.

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Marvo76 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:37:42pm

re: #33 Occasional Reader

And, of course, that movie could not be made today.

funny, it made fun or racisism, and was cutting edge for it's day...

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MandyManners Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:38:50pm

re: #127 Buster Bunny

Stolen property is not life. Even in the Bible it talks about 'safe house cities' in which a murderer can go to for a period of time. This all boils down to after how long after a crime is a punishment still able to be administered.

Property .. or goods .. with verifiable documentation should be still able to be used as evidence in any case for reparations. Over ANY period of time.

Labor produces property. To be denied the fruits of one's labor?

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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:39:07pm

Game Over ,,Heading home ,.,,,, G'Night all

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:39:48pm

re: #126 x-wing

I know a few WW2 Veterans, they hold the same view of the "yellow man". It is a shame they feel that way, but I can only read and ask what they went through.
I will not question them on that subject, that is between them and God.

My mother's father served in New Guinea during WWII. I don't know much about his service though. He never spoke about it at length. I do know that when he was shot down and rescued, the Japanese shot down the Search and Rescue plane that retrieved him. This story helped spark my interest in WWII.

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doppelganglander Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:40:07pm

re: #121 Alouette

I don't think J.R.R. Tolkien falls into that category. ISTR a German publishing house that was about to translate The Hobbit in the 1930's asked if he was Jewish. He said he regretted that he was not.

Charlie Chaplin said something similar. He was long rumored to be Jewish and his half-brother Sidney did have a Jewish father. When asked, Chaplin said, "I regret that I do not have that honor."

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Buster Bunny Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:40:07pm

re: #129 sattv4u2

But as I said, the time for that is really long gone.

And as I've said, NOT for the survivors of that time

Who will you get? You'll end up with someones grandfather, who WAS a respectable citizen for fifty years of his life .. who did the righteous thing by his Protestant Bible for the period. Who lived decent and raised a decent bunch of kids, one of whom sits there and talks to the media about how they are chasing an innocent old man.

You saw it a couple of years ago with that genuine Nazi who was extradited from the US to face charges. Its nice to think that you can chase old men and get vengence for all the deeds done. But all you will get is old men and shadows by this stage. And vengeful anger from the two to three generations in-between that believe that this old man could do nothing wrong.

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:40:19pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

I went to high school near Lincoln Square.

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wiffersnapper Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:40:42pm

But don't tell Ahmadinejad, he won't believe you!

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itellu3times Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:40:51pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

I dunno, buzz, that's a bit of a stretch. Have you tried the decaf?

Not every saving of an innocent is Isaac. OTOH, Magneto is "saved" from a mistake, and then again Abraham was not out to conquer the world, unless you know something we don't.

I never entirely groked the Magneto character anyway, I'm not sure there's really a coherent story to be groked.

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Acesover8ts Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:41:58pm

Wonder what these were up to.

[Link: www.flippingfrenzy.com...]

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Scion9 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:42:11pm

He is Jewish and openly gay, and has said that his life experiences of growing up as a minority influenced his movies.

Bryan Singer, writer and director of X-Men.

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notutopia Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:42:23pm

Time for some beauty rest. Good night All.
Funny, it never seems to work on my body.
; )

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:43:11pm

re: #127 Buster Bunny

Reminds me I should watch Eichmann 2007. I hear it is a good movie.
Also reminds me of that 70's movie "Marathon Man"

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:43:43pm

re: #143 notutopia

that cat is a beauty!

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Buster Bunny Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:44:00pm

re: #133 MandyManners

Labor produces property. To be denied the fruits of one's labor?

There is no-one offering anything more than pitiful remuneration for the time spent in camps. Most of the claims that are being dealt with today are for people who can actually prove (again with verifiable documentation) that they are owners of property.

I happen to be in a position to be aware of it. My father recieves both a small pension from the Austrian Government for the experience and has dealt with a compensatory package for two LARGE properties that he was compensated 10% of the modern day value based on a ROUGH exchange rate for the properties concerned.

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:44:19pm

The zopidem is kicking in. Goodnight, Lizards, see you at the end of the Overnight Open.

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Buster Bunny Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:46:06pm

re: #142 Scion9

Bryan Singer, writer and director of X-Men.

I can never truly fathom Jew on Jew hate. Somehow there are a bunch of people who couldnt deal with the possibility that they were Jewish and are quite prepared to take down the other Jews just in case.

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:47:01pm

re: #137 Buster Bunny

Are you Jewish? Just asking.

I can see both points. I feel that vengeance is up to God. Yes if you punish them, they are old and you almost look like a human rights violator yourself, but I can also understand a Holocaust survivor wanting that person to pay for his crimes.

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:47:13pm

re: #140 itellu3times

I dunno, buzz, that's a bit of a stretch. Have you tried the decaf?

Not every saving of an innocent is Isaac. OTOH, Magneto is "saved" from a mistake, and then again Abraham was not out to conquer the world, unless you know something we don't.

I never entirely groked the Magneto character anyway, I'm not sure there's really a coherent story to be groked.

groked? Is that from Stranger in a Strange Land?

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x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:48:15pm

re: #143 notutopia

Time for some beauty rest. Good night All.
Funny, it never seems to work on my body.
; )

What are you talking about? It looks good from here ;>}

Good night.

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dragondirt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:48:16pm

Damn...I see I was a day late and a dollar short on my post.

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itellu3times Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:48:37pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

groked? Is that from Stranger in a Strange Land?

You groked it.

It was for a while a mildly frequent term, back in the day.

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MandyManners Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:49:37pm

re: #146 Buster Bunny

I have no answer but this offering.

Youtube Video

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:50:07pm

re: #153 itellu3times

You groked it.

It was for a while a mildly frequent term, back in the day.

Cool. Lot of Heinlein fans around here, so you are in good company.

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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:52:48pm

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

Of course, it's not as though such things are new in film. Cocoon was an allegory for being born again through baptism, ends with the reborn seniors being raptured up to the spaceship. And the Jew, who rejects the sacrament of baptism, loses his wife and stays behind.

And they say the Jews run Hollywood.

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Buster Bunny Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:55:03pm

re: #149 Afrocity

Are you Jewish? Just asking.

I can see both points. I feel that vengeance is up to God. Yes if you punish them, they are old and you almost look like a human rights violator yourself, but I can also understand a Holocaust survivor wanting that person to pay for his crimes.

There is an old saying that the Second Temple fell because of the act between Jews of 'needless hate' between Jews. Old grudges, informal superiority practises and vicious and untrue rumours.

I think that with even the best of working memories, the events of sixty years ago would be distorted by time. Most people have long term memories of a little over five years unless the event was major or an act of pure fear. And even then the elements of fear can do strange things to a persons perception.

Use what was known about the horror of what people can do to one another to prevent it from happening again. People keep quoting the 1930s to me with the 'buildup' of tensions in the community. The only real difference between then and now is that now, there is no place to run to if things turn bad.

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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:56:50pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

My mother's father served in New Guinea during WWII. I don't know much about his service though. He never spoke about it at length. I do know that when he was shot down and rescued, the Japanese shot down the Search and Rescue plane that retrieved him. This story helped spark my interest in WWII.

My Grandfather fought on Okinawa and Saipan. He did not talk about his experiences very much. Then only time he would was when he was with his Army Buddies....they drank alot and laughed alot, but by the end of the night, they were all in tears. I cannot imagine the horrors he saw while fighting....those two battles were especially nasty, I know that much.

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Scion9 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:57:20pm

re: #148 Buster Bunny

I can never truly fathom Jew on Jew hate. Somehow there are a bunch of people who couldnt deal with the possibility that they were Jewish and are quite prepared to take down the other Jews just in case.

I wasn't suggesting that Bryan Singer hates Jews. At least not any more than could be said of any other middle aged, east coast liberal Jew.

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Marvo76 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:58:08pm

re: #126 x-wing

I know a few WW2 Veterans, they hold the same view of the "yellow man". It is a shame they feel that way, but I can only read and ask what they went through.
I will not question them on that subject, that is between them and God.

they had to deal with them on a face to face basis and they were even more vicous than the nazis on some issues. Read about the rape of nanking, it will make you sick...

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:58:25pm

re: #121 Alouette

I don't think J.R.R. Tolkien falls into that category. ISTR a German publishing house that was about to translate The Hobbit in the 1930's asked if he was Jewish. He said he regretted that he was not.

C.S. Lewis wrote aggressively against the Nazis, (not a given for a man of that time or class), and supported his Jewish stepson's religious development.

Not to mention all the Jews working in the comic book industry in its grand hey-day.

Buzz, I can see your points, mostly (I don't think Wolverine is a Christ figure, sorry), and perhaps my perspective is skewed by the fact that I don't see Magneto as an inherently evil character. He has no reason to trust anyone but his immediate group of loyalists, and he doesn't. Sooner or later, he tells Xavier, they always come for you again--and of course, he's right. They always do. Because I see him as being so sympathetic, perhaps I miss what he's supposed to be like.

On the other hand, I am still POed about the goblins in Harry Potter.

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:59:30pm

re: #157 Buster Bunny

So you have issues with the legality of the situation. Memory is unreliable, lack of living witnesses. When I worked with teh layers they were looking for written proof within the archives. it was US Dpt of Justice, so I assume they were using tax payer dollars for the investigation.

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Buster Bunny Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:01:48pm

re: #154 MandyManners

Mandy .. ok .. thats a superb little song there.

ok .. now its my turn to tear up ...

/puts ACDC on to lighten the mood .. something less moody.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:02:15pm

re: #137 Buster Bunny

Who will you get? You'll end up with someones grandfather, who WAS a respectable citizen for fifty years of his life .. who did the righteous thing by his Protestant Bible for the period. Who lived decent and raised a decent bunch of kids, one of whom sits there and talks to the media about how they are chasing an innocent old man.

If he'd lived decent, he would have faced his crimes.

All this is going to be beside the point in a few years, though.

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:02:33pm

re: #163 Buster Bunny

Back in Black...

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jcm Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:03:22pm

Heads up gang new thread soon.

Gonna' be a barn burner.

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Buster Bunny Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:03:39pm

re: #165 Afrocity

Back in Black...

I do a magnificent Karaoke rendition of Thunderstruck. Brings the house down everytime.

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:05:47pm

re: #167 Buster Bunny

(putting on black leotard, dancing to Back in Black on Ipod)

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:06:27pm

re: #160 Marvo76

they had to deal with them on a face to face basis and they were even more vicous than the nazis on some issues. Read about the rape of nanking, it will make you sick...

I did read about it and it appalled me. Japan's actions in WWII were truly horrifying. Thank God that we were able to defeat them. Anyone who wants to rail against us for Hiroshima and Nagasaki should look up Nanking 1938, and Manila 1945 and then see if they still think what we did was so wrong.

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:12:21pm

nite

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Salamantis Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:12:33pm

paraphrased (with gender changes) from The Munchkin Song, in The Wizard of Oz:

(Judge)
But we've got to verify it legally
To see...

(Mayor)
To see...

(Judge)
If he...

(Mayor)
If he...

(Judge)
Is morally, ethically

(Munchkin 1)
Spiritually, physically

(Munchkin 2)
Positively, absolutely

(Munchkin Men)
Undeniably and reliably dead

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Gearhead Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:13:56pm

re: #42 Alouette

Maybe he's alive, but still has cancer of the asshole?

As an old Nazi, that means the tumor covers his entire body.

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Scion9 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:18:42pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

Buzz, I can see your points, mostly (I don't think Wolverine is a Christ figure, sorry), and perhaps my perspective is skewed by the fact that I don't see Magneto as an inherently evil character. He has no reason to trust anyone but his immediate group of loyalists, and he doesn't. Sooner or later, he tells Xavier, they always come for you again--and of course, he's right. They always do. Because I see him as being so sympathetic, perhaps I miss what he's supposed to be like.

X-Men Origins: Magneto (2011)

Maybe his upcoming movie will shed some more light onto the character that is in context with the first movie.

Being that he is given one, and the immense popularity of the character I doubt that he was meant to be scorned as the evil old Jew.

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Randall Gross Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:36:57pm

re: #118 buzzsawmonkey

I've read them all, and before you call Stan Lee a racist, remember who Cpt. America's major nemesis was. Who was FF's main nemesis? Which major comic chain had the first black superheros?

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Scion9 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:49:23pm

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

That does not alter the fact that the Jewish Holocaust survivor was planning to engage in a human sacrifice--and was, quite clearly, intended to be regarded with horror for that reason. Blood libel, anyone?

It was also being openly discussed in the US Congress of the film to hunt down and 'register' and mark mutants, which is a clear parallel to the Nazi persecution of Jews.

Do you think that the actions of Irgun in the film Exodus should have been redacted to omit their violent activities, because it is beyond the pale to depict a Holocaust survivor taking an innocent life? I mean, where draw the line. Would it have mattered in X-Men if Magneto was a gypsy Holocaust survivor instead of Jewish?

Magneto's sacrifice wasn't part of some Jewish ritual, and the only connection it has to his Jewish heritage is that he was committing a preemptive terrorist attack in an attempt to prevent a mutant Holocaust.

The script has everything to do with liberal dogma and almost nothing to do with antisemitism. Magneto has to be stopped by the 'good guys' because he is a radical that believes in violence as a means to an end (like we evil right-wingers, Likudniks et al). As all good liberals will tell us, fighting only makes those we fight stronger and violence begets violence. Xavier is able to use diplomatic means in DC to defeat the anti-mutant legislation in the end, and as such the evil warmongers are shown to be wrong (and they don't even bother giving Magneto the death penalty; how PC).

With your interpretation, if you cut out the opening sequence revealing Magneto's heritage, it radically alters the entire movie. If it was just meant to give the character a personal motivation to fight the growing threat of fascist bigotry, and that scene is removed, you lose out on a bit of character development.

I disagree that Wolverine is not a Christ figure; he is entirely about resurrection, regeneration and healing, and bears stigmata besides.

There are dozens of characters in the X-Men universe that can heal, regenerate etc. There are healing characters (one of which that was actually in the movie) that also bear 'stigmata' on top of it all. Some of these significantly predate Wolverine.

If the beer swilling, foul mouthed, violent and unrepentant killer Wolverine is meant to be a Christ figure, it certainly isn't coming from a view that sees ole Jesus in a particularly good light.

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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:58:39am

And by the way, Spencer is still a member of the second innocent little group he joined yesterday.

"Citizens' Declaration of Threat & Plea for Relief", a more innocuous-looking affair carefully couched in reasonable-sounding language, but still ominous and blatantly anti-Muslim (not just anti-Islamo-Fascist) demands, to pick just two items:

4. That foreign aid to Islamic nations cease and aid to nations influenced by Islam be severely curtailed, except to resist jihad.

Presumably this would include Israel, since with its 10% to 15% Arab-Muslim citizens, it can be said to be "influenced by Islam".

7. That immigration reforms immediately be implemented to include a suspension of immigration by Muslims for not less than 20 years, exclusive of apostates seeking asylum.

Yes, all other persons could apply to immigrate here, except for Muslims, who would be excluded not for their actions or concrete threats to our society, but simply by virtue of their religion. Muslims who want to get away from an Islamo-Fascist state but remain Muslims? No exceptions. Muslim scientists or doctors or engineers who love democracy and want to contribute to America? No exceptions. Muslims coming to join family who are already citizens? No exceptions. If you want a shot at coming to America, you have to renounce your religion.

It is hard to think of anything less in line with the Constitution.

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