Olbermann Duped by Anti-Vaccine Wacko

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Keith Olbermann: Played for a fool by the antivaccine movement.

Tonight Olbermann let himself be played like a fiddle by antivaccine propagandist David Kirby, the man who, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., was instrumental in launching the American version of the MMR scare, namely the thimerosal/mercury scare that roared into the states in 2004 and is now maintained by Jenny McCarthy—still aided and abetted by David Kirby. No, Kirby played Olbermann like Itzhak Perlman playing a goddamned Stradivarius. Indeed, Kirby played on Olbermann’s hatred of Rupert Murdoch, inducing him to embarrass himself so completely and utterly that I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again…

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192 comments
1 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:29:09pm

Sigh...goddamn these anti-vaccine people. How many have been left vulnerable to all manner of diseases thanks to their antics.

I'm not surprised Olbermann bought their arguments; they both seem to have a hyperactive emotionalism about them.

2 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:29:16pm

Duped...It's going to be a long four years...

3 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:29:32pm

"Indeed, Kirby played on Olbermann’s hatred of Rupert Murdoch, inducing him to embarrass himself so completely and utterly that I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again..."

I don't see hoe anyone could ever have taken Olberjerk seriously.

4 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:30:07pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

"Indeed, Kirby played on Olbermann’s hatred of Rupert Murdoch, inducing him to embarrass himself so completely and utterly that I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again..."

I don't see hoe how anyone could ever have taken Olberjerk seriously.

PIMF

5 Sleepyone  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:30:09pm

I have a very good friend that has refused to get his kid vaccinated. And the kicker is that his wife works for Pfizer's corporate office in NYC and they refuse to get vaccines due to the problems caused by the shots from the "man".

6 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:31:34pm

C'mon, Charles. We all know you never took Olbermann seriously.

7 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:33:05pm

re: #6 Noam Sayin'

C'mon, Charles. We all know you never took Olbermann seriously.

Yeah, but this gives us an opening to show the more science-minded of those who watch Olbermann's TV bile that Olbey is crazy. Sort of a "your priest is completely off his rocker, get out while you still can" setup.

8 BignJames  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:33:35pm

I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again


That means you did at least once....I can't even watch the jackass on Sunday night football....instant mute.

9 least  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:35:35pm
. . . I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again...

AGAIN!?
You mean that at one time, you actually took him seriously?

10 venjanz  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:36:36pm

Olbermann just pawn, in game of life.

11 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:37:54pm

I still say Don Cherry should beat 0lby's ass on live TV.

12 kynna  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:39:11pm
I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again

What does this say about this writer that he ever took Olby seriously in the first place?

RFK JR. should be nothing less than excoriated up and down the entire media ladder for his part in this, but he'll never be.

13 zombie  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:39:51pm

Vaccines have a long, long history, dating way back before Jenner. We now have evidence that villagers in medieval Europe and Asia knew of the concept (i.e. giving yourself cowpox as a way to avoid getting smallpox, etc.). The "proof of concept" has its origins in antiquity, and is known to be safe, though the "grandfather clause" (just like aspirin) -- history itself serves as the "human trials" required for approval.

The anti-vaccine crowd are probably the descendants of the "precious bodily fluids" nutcases who trumped up a huge scare against fluoride in water and toothpaste (to protect teeth), chlorinization of water supplies (to kill bacteria and prevent epidemics), etc.

There's a certain kind of anal-retentive mental illness that manifests itself in a mania in otherwise normal-seeming people. We should pity them and try to help them -- not take them seriously, or, God forbid, heed their hysterical warnings.

The fact that Olbermann didn't know any of this is hilarious.

14 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:40:25pm

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

I still say Don Cherry should beat 0lby's ass on live TV.

Why bother? The verbal smackdown that Cherry would give him would have Olberdunce breathing out of a paperbag for months.

15 zombie  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:40:45pm

though the "grandfather clause" = through the "grandfather clause"

PIMF

16 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:43:24pm

re: #13 zombie

Vaccines have a long, long history, dating way back before Jenner. We now have evidence that villagers in medieval Europe and Asia knew of the concept (i.e. giving yourself cowpox as a way to avoid getting smallpox, etc.). The "proof of concept" has its origins in antiquity, and is known to be safe, though the "grandfather clause" (just like aspirin) -- history itself serves as the "human trials" required for approval.

The anti-vaccine crowd are probably the descendants of the "precious bodily fluids" nutcases who trumped up a huge scare against fluoride in water and toothpaste (to protect teeth), chlorinization of water supplies (to kill bacteria and prevent epidemics), etc.

There's a certain kind of anal-retentive mental illness that manifests itself in a mania in otherwise normal-seeming people. We should pity them and try to help them -- not take them seriously, or, God forbid, heed their hysterical warnings.

The fact that Olbermann didn't know any of this is hilarious.

I'm not gonna pity these lunatics. They've caused plenty of damage with their mad rantings (e.g. measles back on the rise in Britain).
And I never took Olbermann seriously either (either wasn't interested or thought him too juvenile) but hey, now we have a potential convert (maybe more) to our side!

17 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:44:59pm

re: #14 BlueCanuck


Didn't Cherry appear on NBC's coverage of the Stanley Cup playoffs a few years back? Was that a regular gig or a one-shot deal?

Maybe Cherry could just do a Coach's corner on what a vain, self-aggrandizing, braindead poof 0lby's been throughout his career. He has at least five minutes to expound on that, by which point 0lbermann will involunarily be gushing large quantities of salty water out of all the orifices he has that are meant to accomodate gushing salty water.....and a few that aren't.

18 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:46:13pm

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

I still say Don Cherry should beat 0lby's ass on live TV.

No, they should let Olbermann onto the field before a Giants game, and then turn the entire Giants defense loss on him.

19 pat  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:48:54pm

Olberman is the classic confusion of IQ with elocution. These were the creeps and perverts that avoided justice by their tongues. Hence they have become a parallel survival model, along with models, clowns, and athletes. Idiots that are allowed to survive because of those who think these attributes are more important than common sense or intelligence.

20 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:54:07pm

re: #6 Noam Sayin'

My bad, Charles. I was sneezing my head off while trying to read that excerpt and I mis-attributed it to you, apparently.

Apparently, I'm allergic to beer. I wonder if a shot of bourbon would cure that.

21 wolfie  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:54:12pm

I think that Keith Olberman and Joy Behar would make a cute couple.

I wonder who would be the first to cut and run?

22 gmsc  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:54:36pm

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23 Mauser  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:57:40pm
Indeed, Kirby played on Olbermann’s hatred of Rupert Murdoch, inducing him to embarrass himself so completely and utterly that I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again...

Well, I guess that just leaves his mother.

24 BignJames  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:58:43pm

re: #21 wolfie

I think that Keith Olberman and Joy Behar would make a cute couple.

I wonder who would be the first to cut and run?

Now that's just sick.

25 BakaRanger  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:01:58pm

Who's on first.

26 gmsc  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:02:19pm

re: #21 wolfie

I think that Keith Olberman and Joy Behar would make a cute couple.

I wonder who would be the first to cut and run?

I think between the two of them, Keith Olberman is the only one of the two capable of running.

27 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:03:20pm

re: #23 Mauser

Well, I guess that just leaves his mother.

Youch! Burn!
You sure about that?

28 Kragar  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:04:00pm

If Keith Olbermann were to ever receive an enema, I believe there would be a real danger of his head caving in

29 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:06:59pm

re: #28 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

If Keith Olbermann were to ever receive an enema, I believe there would be a real danger of his head caving in

He has milk and water enemas all the time. His head is so far up his ass that enemas are the only way to get him fluids. :)

30 wiffersnapper  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:07:13pm

people still take LOLbermann seriously?

31 Kragar  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:08:27pm

re: #30 wiffersnapper

people still take LOLbermann seriously?

How dare you Sir?! HOW DARE YOU?!

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32 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:10:15pm

Wow, this thread is just puttering along. I guess everyone is still hammering it out downstairs.

But seriously, it is good to see Olberman get pwnd on this issue. Any chance that he will be sued in the U.K.?

33 kay1212  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:11:37pm

There is real money in making people believe that fluoride poisons them, vaccines cause autism, and the fillings in your teeth are slowly eroding your brain.

Check out this multi-level marketing founder [Usana] and his high priced clinic in Mexico. Quack quack quack

34 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:12:23pm

re: #32 BlueCanuck

Wow, this thread is just puttering along. I guess everyone is still hammering it out downstairs.

But seriously, it is good to see Olberman get pwnd on this issue. Any chance that he will be sued in the U.K.?

Doubt it. But then I'm kinda neutral on the whole Geert Wilders case. On the one hand, the guy's a big fat twit who speaks a lot of vomit. On the other, should he really be banned from the UK just for that?
Hmm, "speaks a lot of vomit" sounds like someone else we know.

35 Kragar  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:12:40pm

re: #33 kay1212

There is real money in making people believe that fluoride poisons them, vaccines cause autism, and the fillings in your teeth are slowly eroding your brain.

Check out this multi-level marketing founder [Usana] and his high priced clinic in Mexico. Quack quack quack

A fool and his money are soon parted

36 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:13:40pm

Next he won't take Al Franken seriously?

37 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:13:53pm

re: #33 kay1212

There is real money in making people believe that fluoride poisons them, vaccines cause autism, and the fillings in your teeth are slowly eroding your brain.

Check out this multi-level marketing founder [Usana] and his high priced clinic in Mexico. Quack quack quack

Tee hee hee...heh heh heh...BWAHAHAH!
I'm sorry, but just reading that site makes me laugh like a dog!

38 kay1212  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:14:31pm

re: #35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

And there are millions of fools. It's quite amazing. The whole multi-level marketing thing has made billions off of special juices and high priced vitamins. Must be the same people who are troofers.

39 Kragar  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:14:46pm

re: #36 lifeofthemind

Next he won't take Al Franken seriously?

Why not? After all, he's good enough, smart enough, and

*ack*

sorry, couldn't finish that without getting sick

40 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:16:32pm

Hey Olbermann, there's a member of the Nigerian military who has to get money out of the country. Can you help him? Look for his email tomorrow.

41 Mauser  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:16:51pm

re: #27 davinvalkri

Youch! Burn!
You sure about that?

Well, I THINK he has a mother.

I mean, he coulda been hatched....

42 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:18:00pm

re: #41 Mauser

Well, I THINK he has a mother.

I mean, he coulda been hatched....

I meant his mother taking him seriously.

43 Kragar  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:18:07pm

re: #41 Mauser

Well, I THINK he has a mother.

I mean, he coulda been hatched....

There could be a humongous fungus among us

44 kay1212  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:18:17pm

re: #37 davinvalkri

Tee hee hee...heh heh heh...BWAHAHAH!
I'm sorry, but just reading that site makes me laugh like a dog!

That site is vastly cleaned up after exposure on the Yahoo message board of Usana, which is the multi-level marketing firm majority owned by Myron Wentz who founded Sanoviv. They give colonics, they remove the fillings from your teeth, and surprisingly don't sell Usana vitamins but someone else's where he maybe makes more money on them in Mexico. The breast cancer treatment program was a facial and breast massage. Hmmmm.

45 TheMatrix31  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:19:02pm

I wonder what I like more;

LOLbermann (as posted above), or Olberdouche, which I use every time I refer to him.

46 kay1212  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:20:10pm

re: #44 kay1212

The words "breast massage" didn't even perk this board up?

47 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:21:23pm

re: #46 kay1212

The words "breast massage" didn't even perk this board up?

Sorry, we're still having it out over Robert Spencer on the previous thread.

48 gmsc  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:21:36pm

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49 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:23:00pm

re: #45 TheMatrix31

I wonder what I like more;

LOLbermann (as posted above), or Olberdouche, which I use every time I refer to him.

You could always borrow a pun from Phoenix Wright and call him the Windy Old Bag.

50 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:24:25pm

re: #7 davinvalkri

Yeah, but this gives us an opening to show the more science-minded of those who watch Olbermann's TV bile that Olbey is crazy. Sort of a "your priest is completely off his rocker, get out while you still can" setup.

too bad no one tried that with Rev. Wright......

/

51 Emperor Norton  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:25:15pm

If Olbermann returned to Sports Center, I would not take the baseball scores seriously, either.

52 Kragar  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:27:47pm

I will grant Keith has done something amazing though.

In comparison, he makes Geraldo Rivera seem like a real journalist.

53 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:28:13pm

This anti-vaccination crowd is near the top of my list of "People I could do Without" (stolen from George Carlin). They are beat only by Troofer Douchebags. How many children are going to have REAL health issues because of these people. I saw Jenny McCarthy yammering about the MMR vaccine causing autism unchallenged on some talk show and I wanted to strangle her. What's going to happen if these moonbats get the ear of Congress after they ram CommieCare™ down our throats?

No vaccine for you prole!

54 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:28:28pm

re: #52 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I will grant Keith has done something amazing though.

In comparison, he makes Geraldo Rivera seem like a real journalist.

Zingers flying left and right! Olbermann brings out the best in people, doesn't he?!

55 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:28:46pm

re: #41 Mauser

Well, I THINK he has a mother.

I mean, he coulda been hatched....


Olbie wasn't born: he was inflicted.

56 Idle Drifter  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:29:19pm

These people shouting the evils about vaccines are going to be human petri dishes when the next pandemic comes out of China.

57 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:31:01pm

re: #56 Idle Drifter

These people shouting the evils about vaccines are going to be human petri dishes when the next pandemic comes out of China.

is that natural selection or intelligent design?

/white smoke

58 BignJames  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:31:17pm

Olbermann duped....


Redundancy?

59 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:32:11pm

re: #53 ArchangelMichael

Oh and I've had the MMR vaccine FOUR times. (I needed it to get into a couple of colleges I went to and had no proof available of previous vaccinations)

No autism, no aspergers syndrome. 150-ish IQ... Just Lazy.

60 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:32:11pm

re: #53 ArchangelMichael

This anti-vaccination crowd is near the top of my list of "People I could do Without" (stolen from George Carlin). They are beat only by Troofer Douchebags. How many children are going to have REAL health issues because of these people. I saw Jenny McCarthy yammering about the MMR vaccine causing autism unchallenged on some talk show and I wanted to strangle her. What's going to happen if these moonbats get the ear of Congress after they ram CommieCare™ down our throats?

No vaccine for you prole!

I really gained a lot of respect for Amanda Peet when she stood up to McCarthy and maintained her support for vaccination. The mark of conviction is being able to hold your ground when you come under harsh attack. Peet showed real courage in standing up for the truth, even when it became hard to do so.

61 chicagodudewhotrades  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:32:25pm

There was a time when i honestly liked keith. When he did the Sportscenter thing, there were times he was both pretty damn good and funny, but his downfall was thinking good sports reportng translated into good political reporting.This is what killed him. I used to like him, but not anymore

62 Idle Drifter  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:32:31pm

re: #57 redc1c4

is that natural selection or intelligent design?

/white smoke

Volunteered extinction.

63 lostlakehiker  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:32:37pm

I guess the best thing would be if everybody who listened to Olbermann went ahead and didn't get vaccinations. Then we can have some whopping epidemics, solve the population crisis, and demonstrate once and for all that stupidity is indeed evolution in action.

Trouble is, these asses are being stupid on behalf of their children, who are helpless to defend themselves against this stupidity and malice.

64 gmsc  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:32:57pm

re: #59 ArchangelMichael

Oh and I've had the MMR vaccine FOUR times. (I needed it to get into a couple of colleges I went to and had no proof available of previous vaccinations)

No autism, no aspergers syndrome. 150-ish IQ... Just Lazy.

See? It's the vaccine! Without it, your IQ would be 198!

//////

65 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:33:32pm

re: #57 redc1c4

is that natural selection or intelligent design?

/white smoke

Use those smoke canisters to mark the crazies. I've got some logic artillery ready to pound 'em. Mark the targets for me!

66 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:34:12pm

re: #62 Idle Drifter

Volunteered extinction.

Nominees for next year's Darwin award.

67 Jack Burton  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:35:53pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

I'd give Amanda Peet an upding for that if I could. I used to like Jenny McCarthy... or to be honest, I used to like to look at her. Now, not so much.

68 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:36:01pm

re: #57 redc1c4

is that natural selection or intelligent design?

/white smoke

Out of curiosity, what the heck does "white smoke" mean?
You a Naruto fan or something?

69 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:37:22pm

Whaddya know, today was not a total loss after all.

70 Kragar  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:37:42pm

re: #68 davinvalkri

Out of curiosity, what the heck does "white smoke" mean?
You a Naruto fan or something?

Smoke grenade to provide concealment for an escape

71 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:38:05pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Use those smoke canisters to mark the crazies. I've got some logic artillery ready to pound 'em. Mark the targets for me!

Mark targets? You can't throw a tomato without hitting one of those crazies! They're that dense!

72 mardukhai  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:38:27pm

On the other hand, I wouldn't believe a word of any story that appeared in the Sunday Times.

They're the Uzi Mahnaimi crew, remember? The "Israeli Ethno-Bomb" hoax?

73 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:39:23pm

re: #67 ArchangelMichael

I'd give Amanda Peet an upding for that if I could. I used to like Jenny McCarthy... or to be honest, I used to like to look at her. Now, not so much.

She's still very beautiful, but her desire to understand her son's affliction has lead her down the wrong path. I hope in time she comes to see how wrong she is. And even if she was right, I would still support compulsory vaccination. In the end it comes down to numbers: The lives saved far outnumber the lives damaged or lost.

74 winston06  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:40:04pm

al-bermann is a dope

75 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:40:09pm

re: #71 davinvalkri

Mark targets? You can't throw a tomato without hitting one of those crazies! They're that dense!

Then we need to load up on cluster rounds, don't we?

/kidding

76 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:40:20pm

re: #70 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Smoke grenade to provide concealment for an escape

Ah, so it's the equivalent of "/duck" or "/runs", then?

77 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:40:49pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Use those smoke canisters to mark the crazies. I've got some logic artillery ready to pound 'em. Mark the targets for me!

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger

you are cleared on any yellow or green smoke, but i believe all those targets are one thread down.

78 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:41:31pm

re: #68 davinvalkri

Out of curiosity, what the heck does "white smoke" mean?
You a Naruto fan or something?

see my reply to #65

79 gmsc  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:42:36pm

OT: (Video available at both links)

Mayor Goodman Sends Letter to President Obama

LAS VEGAS, Nv. -- Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman says his office has been flooded with phone calls after he demanded an apology from President Obama.

Goodman is upset that the Obama made reference that financial institutions that received bail out money should not plan trips to Las Vegas on the taxpayer's dime.

Goodman is sending a letter to the president. In it he writes, "Your comments are harmful to the meetings and convention industry as a whole and Las Vegas specifically."

Read Mayor Oscar Goodman's letter to President Barack Obama

Goodman fears that President Obama's words might cause other companies to re-think about holding meetings and conventions in Las Vegas.

At least four major companies have canceled their plans to meet or hold conventions in Las Vegas. Some of the cancellations may have to do with the perception of Las Vegas while others may be a result of the poor economy.

Either way, Las Vegas pulls in millions of dollars every year from businesses that come to the city to meet and do business. State Farm planned to book 11,000 rooms in September. That will mean more vacant hotel rooms and fewer meals sold at restaurants.

"My job is to protect the economy in Las Vegas. It breaks my heart that I see these people out here that have foreclosed homes. It breaks my heart that people are being fired and laid off from their jobs. This will contribute to that. So, my job is to straighten it out," said Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman.

Goodman says President Obama's remark perpetuates a stereotype that visiting Las Vegas equals frivolous spending.

"I don't believe he intended to do us harm. But he has done us harm. I think that he owes it to us to state to the public that Vegas is a great spot in which to have a business meeting," he said.

Senator Harry Reid says President Obama's comments were directed at businesses getting taxpayer money that were headed to Las Vegas for fun, not business.


Las Vegas Mayor Wants Presidential Apology

Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman wants an apology from President Barack Obama for some remarks the president made mentioning Las Vegas.

Goodman, along with the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority board said on Tuesday that the president's remarks at a town hall meeting could cost Las Vegas money and jobs.

A harmless question from a concerned resident of Elkhart, Indiana about corporate responsibility received this answer from President Barack Obama.

"You can't get corporate jets. You can't go take that trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime," he said. The comments sparked a pointed response from Las Vegas Mayor Goodman.

"That's outrageous. He owes us an apology. He owes us a retraction," Goodman said. The mayor is also the chairman of the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority.

"What is a better place I say, for them to come here. For them to change their mind and go someplace else and to cancel at the suggestion of the president of the United States, that is outrageous," Goodman said.

Some high profile companies like Wells Fargo, Citibank and Goldman Sachs recently pulled out of meetings in Las Vegas. The businesses as well as the people who attend the meetings all spend money here. Canceling impacts the casinos and contractors who set up the sound systems and do other production work for the meetings.

"We've had layoffs. We've had days off without pay. Reductions in work force," said Phillip Cooper of Encore Productions. He employs about 200 people in Las Vegas and relies on the meetings to pay his employees. He agrees with the convention authority that these meetings can provide direct stimulus to Las Vegas.

[-story continues at link-]

80 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:42:43pm

re: #69 rawmuse

Whaddya know, today was not a total loss after all.

you made a killing on today's recovery from yesterday's slight dip?

/

81 Kragar  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:43:31pm

re: #77 redc1c4

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger

you are cleared on any yellow or green smoke, but i believe all those targets are one thread down.

Rainbow Smoke---GAY!

82 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:44:22pm

re: #77 redc1c4

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger

you are cleared on any yellow or green smoke, but i believe all those targets are one thread down.

Rodger Wlico. Will favorite your post and await targets.

83 SurferDoc  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:45:54pm

From a chat room far, far away:

" The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

84 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:46:36pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Then we need to load up on cluster rounds, don't we?

/kidding

Load up with rubber bullets......

85 gmsc  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:47:32pm

re: #83 SurferDoc

From a chat room far, far away:

" The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

Updinged. Favorited.

86 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:47:54pm

re: #83 SurferDoc

From a chat room far, far away:

" The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

that'd get'em in the shorts!

87 Scion9  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:47:57pm

re: #83 SurferDoc

From a chat room far, far away:

" The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

As long as that was an American that said it, I heartily agree.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:48:01pm

re: #83 SurferDoc

From a chat room far, far away:

" The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

"I decided that a world in which a detailed set of directions was required for a box of toothpicks was not a world in which I could continue to live and remain sane..."

Not quite the perfect quote, but you know, it's late.

89 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:48:24pm

re: #85 gmsc

Updinged. Favorited.

GMTA!

90 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:48:26pm

re: #77 redc1c4

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger

you are cleared on any yellow or green smoke, but i believe all those targets are one thread down.

BTW: Shouldn't red smoke be used to ID kooks? I thought we used green smoke to signal that the threat has been neutralized.

(My odd riff on the movie The Rock.)

91 davinvalkri  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:48:33pm

re: #84 redc1c4

Load up with rubber bullets......

I thought you were serious about the rubber bullets bit. Maybe 5-9s loaded with tear gas or stinger grenades?

92 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:50:14pm

re: #80 redc1c4

you made a killing on today's recovery from yesterday's slight dip?

/

No, even better, Olberman was exposed for the fraud that he is.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:51:07pm

All right. I need some sleep.

I have been exposed to some things this evening I could have done without, especially the part about grinding up Istanbul.

I am going to go to bed now.

Laila tov, y'all.

94 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:54:37pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

BTW: Shouldn't red smoke be used to ID kooks? I thought we used green smoke to signal that the threat has been neutralized.

(My odd riff on the movie The Rock.)

i didn't write the SOI: our in house Lemming commo puke did

95 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:57:40pm

re: #94 redc1c4

i didn't write the SOI: our in house Lemming commo puke did

How so?

96 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:00:42am

re: #94 redc1c4

i didn't write the SOI: our in house Lemming commo puke did

And what does SOI stand for?

97 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:05:20am

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

How so?

it all started long ago on usenet, where a group of similarly minded folks yakked back and forth and whacked trolls on a couple of mil groups......

as a lark RTO Trainer came up with an SOI involving pyro for use there..... only the white smoke really caught on there, but green smoke has a following on the LNDT.

98 Jack Burton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:05:25am

re: #13 zombie

There's a certain kind of anal-retentive mental illness that manifests itself in a mania in otherwise normal-seeming people. We should pity them and try to help them -- not take them seriously, or, God forbid, heed their hysterical warnings.

I think there's another issue to blame for this as well. Americans, and the people of Western Civilization in general have had things really good since the end of WWII. So good that we have to invent problems.

In the US "poor" people almost always have a roof over their head and often they have TVs, Microwave ovens, cars... Some are obese.

We've eradicated almost every illness that has plagued mankind for almost all of human history. And the average lifespan has gone from 40+ to 70+. Infant mortality is almost non-existent. Most, but not all, of the big illnesses we have to deal with if not curable are treatable and many are the result of bad lifestyle choices and are therefore avoidable.

When I think I got it bad, I look at this picture of an african village on the wall in the office of one of my coworkers. It straightens my bullshit thinking out really fast.

So we got it very good. People need something to bitch about. Something to worry about. When real problems are few and far between, we invent them.

Now we have a legion of moonbats worrying and/or complaining about everything under the sun: Vaccination, flouridation, vitamin fortification, trans-fats, genetically modified foods, DDT, carbon dioxide, artificial sweeteners, circumcision, carbohydrates... the list goes on and on.

I wish I was born in some future time where interstellar travel was feasible and I could pack-up and go start an Anti-idiotarian colony. Moonbats need not apply.

99 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:06:40am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

And what does SOI stand for?

Signal Operating Instruction....... a document the military uses to coordinate communications by assigning values, call signs, frequencies, etc....

100 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:08:59am

re: #98 ArchangelMichael


I wish I was born in some future time where interstellar travel was feasible and I could pack-up and go start an Anti-idiotarian colony. Moonbats need not apply.

i'd take them along, and let them wander about while we built what was needed....... good way to find many of the dangers without losing colonists.

(yes, i *am* that cynical. %-)

101 davinvalkri  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:09:02am

re: #98 ArchangelMichael

I think there's another issue to blame for this as well. Americans, and the people of Western Civilization in general have had things really good since the end of WWII. So good that we have to invent problems.

In the US "poor" people almost always have a roof over their head and often they have TVs, Microwave ovens, cars... Some are obese.

We've eradicated almost every illness that has plagued mankind for almost all of human history. And the average lifespan has gone from 40+ to 70+. Infant mortality is almost non-existent. Most, but not all, of the big illnesses we have to deal with if not curable are treatable and many are the result of bad lifestyle choices and are therefore avoidable.

When I think I got it bad, I look at this picture of an african village on the wall in the office of one of my coworkers. It straightens my bullshit thinking out really fast.

So we got it very good. People need something to bitch about. Something to worry about. When real problems are few and far between, we invent them.

Now we have a legion of moonbats worrying and/or complaining about everything under the sun: Vaccination, flouridation, vitamin fortification, trans-fats, genetically modified foods, DDT, carbon dioxide, artificial sweeteners, circumcision, carbohydrates... the list goes on and on.

I wish I was born in some future time where interstellar travel was feasible and I could pack-up and go start an Anti-idiotarian colony. Moonbats need not apply.

First, YES! "The perfect is the enemy of the good", as Patton would say.
Second, if interstellar travel were feasible, why start a colony at all? Why not just wander the stars away from the insanities of home?

102 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:11:19am

ok: i give up....... WTF is the LNDT?

103 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:11:26am

re: #99 redc1c4

Signal Operating Instruction....... a document the military uses to coordinate communications by assigning values, call signs, frequencies, etc....

Thank you for the explanation.

104 Sosigado  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:11:33am

My mental picture of Olbermann is one of a guy who is perpetually seething underneath, and probably has been that way since early childhood. I envision Olby coming home in the evening after a long, taxing day of spewing bile-filled, paranoiac rants, calmly pulling a chair up to the nearest wall and methodically banging his head against that wall into the early morning hours. Once he has completed this unique and painful variation on show prep, it's back to the MSNBC offices, to do it all over again. Another day in the life of an uber-deranged, uber-lib.

105 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:11:46am

re: #102 redc1c4

ok: i give up....... WTF is the LNDT?

Late Night Drinking Thread

106 Jack Burton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:11:48am

re: #102 redc1c4

ok: i give up....... WTF is the LNDT?

Late Night Drinking Thread (I think)

107 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:12:10am

re: #101 davinvalkri

First, YES! "The perfect is the enemy of the good", as Patton would say.
Second, if interstellar travel were feasible, why start a colony at all? Why not just wander the stars away from the insanities of home?

you'll need a base somewhere, cause shit breaks sooner or later.

108 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:13:23am

re: #106 ArchangelMichael

Late Night Drinking Thread (I think)

not the question..... Where TF is the LNDT?

unless this is it?

109 Scion9  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:14:07am

re: #98 ArchangelMichael

I dunno. I think that is part of it, but their has always been a reactionary undercurrent for as far back as we have recorded our history with such detail that it can be pointed out. I'm sure it was around before then as well.

You can look at almost any retrograde political/social force in the West today and follow it to its antecedents. The nature 'worshiping' moonbats are pretty clearly directly descended from the anti-Enlightenment Romantics that emphasized the majesty and wonder of nature as a part of their social dogma. A push back against what they viewed as the cold and clinical attitudes of Rationalists.

110 davinvalkri  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:14:25am

re: #107 redc1c4

you'll need a base somewhere, cause shit breaks sooner or later.

Yeah, I guess you would need some place to head back to if your warp drive, life support, and/or wave motion gun broke. Still, I'd make a point of spending as little time there as possible, I'd imagine.

111 gmsc  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:14:36am

OT: Angry survivors blame council 'green' policy

ANGRY residents last night accused local authorities of contributing to the bushfire toll by failing to let residents chop down trees and clear up bushland that posed a fire risk.

During question time at a packed community meeting in Arthurs Creek on Melbourne's northern fringe, Warwick Spooner — whose mother Marilyn and brother Damien perished along with their home in the Strathewen blaze — criticised the Nillumbik council for the limitations it placed on residents wanting the council's help or permission to clean up around their properties in preparation for the bushfire season. "We've lost two people in my family because you d**kheads won't cut trees down," he said.

[-story continues at link-]

112 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:14:50am

Duping Olbermann is not all that hard. He gets a tingle to run up his leg and whatever was said must be true.

113 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:15:05am

re: #108 redc1c4

not the question..... Where TF is the LNDT?

unless this is it?

It doesn't happen every night. Tonight the late night threads ended up quite serious because of the bad actions of Robert Spencer and Keith Olbermann.

114 Erik The Red  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:15:15am

re: #102 redc1c4

ok: i give up....... WTF is the LNDT?

Late Night Drinking/Dead Thread

115 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:15:48am

re: #110 davinvalkri

Yeah, I guess you would need some place to head back to if your warp drive, life support, and/or wave motion gun broke. Still, I'd make a point of spending as little time there as possible, I'd imagine.

rumor has it that gravity is helpful for things like pregnancy too.

116 Erik The Red  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:16:40am

re: #108 redc1c4

not the question..... Where TF is the LNDT?

unless this is it?

What wrong red is your fruitcup ready to explode?

117 freetoken  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:16:55am

re: #114 Erik The Red

... and here I thought it stood for LoL's Naturally Delicious Thread....

118 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:17:11am

Time for me to hit the hay. I'll be back in 6 or 7 hours.

119 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:17:39am

playing Lolberdouche for a fool when he is such a fool already is compounding a felony.

120 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:18:14am

re: #119 redc1c4

playing Lolberdouche for a fool when he is such a fool already is compounding a felony.

Painting the lily and gilding gold, eh?

121 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:18:28am

re: #117 freetoken

... and here I thought it stood for LoL's Naturally Delicious Thread....

LoL is naturally delicious? how do you know?

/white smoke

122 davinvalkri  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:18:51am

re: #115 redc1c4

rumor has it that gravity is helpful for things like pregnancy too.

The star wanderer's life is one where the hardest science (the macroscopic structure of the universe) is combined with the greatest beauty (the stars, nebulae, etc. that make up said structure). Why would I want to bring a baby along?

123 Jack Burton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:19:06am

re: #101 davinvalkri

First, YES! "The perfect is the enemy of the good", as Patton would say.
Second, if interstellar travel were feasible, why start a colony at all? Why not just wander the stars away from the insanities of home?

I'd love to just fly around and look at things but, I wouldn't want to be forever worried about being killed by a micrometeorite causing a hull breach or cosmic rays zapping me.

124 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:19:51am

re: #116 Erik The Red

What wrong red is your fruitcup ready to explode?

no, but i like a little predictability in life: besides, we haven't gotten any troll spill over here tonight, and it's dull.

125 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:20:46am

re: #122 davinvalkri

The star wanderer's life is one where the hardest science (the macroscopic structure of the universe) is combined with the greatest beauty (the stars, nebulae, etc. that make up said structure). Why would I want to bring a baby along?

in case the rations run out?

(no need to thank me, it's a modest proposal...... %-)

126 freetoken  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:21:43am

re: #121 redc1c4

ummm... that is a POSSESSIVE apostrophe there, not a contraction!

127 Jack Burton  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:22:25am

re: #109 Scion9

True but I think our current dearth of real problems intensifies this greatly.

128 davinvalkri  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:22:27am

re: #125 redc1c4

in case the rations run out?

(no need to thank me, it's a modest proposal...... %-)

Jonathan Swift is laughing in his grave!

129 Syrah  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:22:55am

re: #124 redc1c4

no, but i like a little predictability in life: besides, we haven't gotten any troll spill over here tonight, and it's dull.

February 12 is Darwin's Birthday.

Should be plenty of trolls popping in to feed us.

130 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:23:44am

re: #126 freetoken

ummm... that is a POSSESSIVE apostrophe there, not a contraction!

so you're possessive of her, eh?

she must be finger licking good!

but wait'll tall old man finds out........

/white smoke

131 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:25:22am

For those of you who were here a few threads back (about 7 hours ago), I mentioned that there had been a major incident at York.

I've since found out that it probably wasn't major enough to become a news story, but for those involved, it was extremely traumatizing.

Rather than give a summary, I am going to quote an open-letter published on facebook by a York University student:

An Open Letter to Krisna SaravanamuttuShare
Today at 1:14am

Before this note can be fully understood, I think it would be necessary for some readers to know the events of today to be understood to the general public. The following is an eyewitness account of the harassment felt by Jewish members of the DROP YFS team while holding a press conference over

Drop YFS held a press conference in a room that could only comfortably fit 30 people, to announce the success of our petition. After letting about 50 people in, we told people that they couldn't come in, because we were at capacity, and didn't want to break fire code.

Once the conference started, people started banging on the door, yelling "Let us in" and "Zionist Racists".

The conference was canceled, and all the students were asked to leave. The students who left were greeted by a mob chanting slurs against them, chanting "this is OUR campus" and shoving some people.

The Jewish students who felt targeted, as well as some journalists, were invited to go up to Hillel, The Jewish student's lounge, one floor up. They were followed up by about 100 people, who continued to chant, and some of whom approached the people watching the door.

The people watching the door retreated inside the lounge and locked the door once security arrived. Some people shoved past security and banged on the glass of the door.

Some Jewish students went out to confront the people banging on the door, and heard such comments as "leave our campus", "Israelis off campus" and "Let's break the glass and get them out".

When a man with his face covered came to the door and banged on it, many students became terrified, began to cry, and some contacted the police.

When the police arrived, they told students to evacuate the room, and be escorted out. The Jewish students lined up, and walked out with their heads down, not saying anything or making eye contact, as instructed by the staff. They were escorted out of the area by police, as the mob of 100 or so chanted more racial slurs, and yelled "SHAME".

Among the people seen leading the mob were Krishna Saravanamuttu, the York Federation of Students Vice President of Equity. I saw him after the rally shaking people's hands and thanking them for coming.


Assuming the above statements are true, which I believe they are, I have the following open letter for Krisna and any of his gang of thugs who care to listen.

Dear Krisna,

Do you know what words mean?

Do you, for instance, know what the word "equity" means? Because it appears to me that you don't. Being that you are the VP Equity for the YFS I find it quite disturbing that you would congratulate fanatical students on their attack against a minority group in the university.

There is much for me to say here on the topic of irony. For instance, your sanctions against pro-life groups come ringing to mind. As I recall, the YFS defended this motion by claiming that pro-life groups cause the university environment to become threatening and inhospitable.

And while not a single person has ever been harmed by Students for Bioethical Awareness; you other hand have knowingly contributed to terrifying and bullying a minority of students whom you claim to represent. How horrifying, that you should take it upon yourself to compare pro-life students to white supremacists and then only months act in a way that would make any Grand Dragon welcome you openly into their folds. ...


The rest is about to follow:

132 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:25:30am

re: #129 Syrah

February 12 is Darwin's Birthday.

Should be plenty of trolls popping in to feed us.

be easier if we had a Darwin themed LNDT though......

it's still legal to salt lick trolls

133 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:25:31am
When I think of your hypocrisy and your hatred of dissent, words escape me. Your actions are more shameful than shame can ever communicate. They are more disgusting than disgust can ever reach. The fact that you --a person appointed to defending the rights of minorities-- could attack them when the cause fits your own political interests, is cause for all of us to reconsider the value in you or your position.

I am not a Zionist, and I am not Jewish. I can never understand the deep feelings of terror which you filled into the hearts of that community today, but that will not stop me from speaking out against it.

In light of your recent actions I give you the following two options: either you resign your post immediately, apologize publicly and fade into the obscurity which you so richly deserve; or you are welcome to debate me.

Should you choose the former, I expect your apology to be genuine. I expect you to look into the eyes of the people you've hurt today and promise that nothing like this will ever happen again at York University.

Should you choose the latter, I have only one thing to say to you- I promise that I will not make this easy.

Choose whichever one you wish, one thing is certain, the York community cannot exist peacefully when people would rather scream then talk. Or would rather terrify their opponents than listen to them

-Michael Payton

134 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:30:59am

i'm going to bed (relatively) early for once......

fruitcups over there------------------> it oughta hold you until LoL gets in with her's.

Hasta, y'all........

L8r!

135 Erik The Red  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:31:36am

An elderly couple were having dinner one evening when the husband reached across the table, took his wife's hand in his and said, "Martha, soon we will be married 50 years, and there's something I have to know. In all of these 50 years, have you ever been unfaithful to me?"

Martha replied, "Well Henry, I have to be honest with you. Yes, I've been unfaithful to you three times during these 50 years, but always for a good reason."

Henry was obviously hurt by his wife's confession, but said, "I never suspected. Can you tell me what you mean by 'good reasons?'"

Martha said, "The first time was shortly after we were married, and we were about to lose our little house because we couldn't pay the mortgage. Do you remember that one evening I went to see the banker and the next day he notified you that the loan would be extended?"

Henry recalled the visit to the banker and said, "I can forgive you for that. You saved our home, but what about the second time?"

Martha asked, "And do you remember when you were so sick, but we didn't have the money to pay for the heart surgery you needed? Well, I went to see your doctor one night and, if you recall, he did the surgery at no charge."

"I recall that," said Henry. "And you did it to save my life, so of course I can forgive you for that. Now tell me about the third time."

"Alright," Martha said. "So do you remember when you ran for president of your golf club, and you needed 73 more votes?"

136 redc1c4  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:32:32am

re: #120 FurryOldGuyJeans

Painting the lily and gilding gold, eh?

yes.

with him in general the phrase that comes to mind is "polishing a turd".......

137 Clubsec  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:22:04am

Good book is 'Vacine' ... i forget the author and i think the principle of the book was a Maurice Hillerman (sp) who was working for Merck in the '50's on all kinds of vacines. READ IT. Biology is no simple thing. Advances today occur at lightening speed and the only impedance to progress may be found in the legal profession.
BTW, admission of truth in association ... I have siblings in both diciplines.
(As for my present situation ... I'm just trying to kill an in-flight mortar with a laser.)

As for Olbermann (sp?) (I don't get cable so I don't watch him) ... I've said before via LGF ... the folks before the cameras in the media with a very few exceptions are IDIOTS. I know. I worked in radio & TV ... WAY back when, before they became celebrities. AND they were still vaccuous, pompus morons.

Please pardon my comments directed at the subject of this thread.
I don't have time to read ALL of the prior commnets so I may be far removed from the banter that is occuring prior to my comment.

Good night all ... it is after 3 AM and must be at the Range by 1400.
LCH may let us 'shine above the horizon' in the not too distant future.

So is it going to be 'ObamUH' or what? I claim the moniker. ... well ... OK, i'll share if another Lizard wishes to dispute the issue.

Keep your powder dry.

138 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 4:06:15am
139 Cutty Sark  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 4:09:36am

The "high browed moron" Olberman " verses the "low browed village idiot " Hannity .....I'd pay cash to see 'em put on the gloves and get into the ring .

It's the only fight I'd ever attend where I could cheer for both fighters .

140 bolivar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 4:39:17am

Had a thought and had to bring it here for chewin. Obama will never be a good apparatchik (leader) because the apparatchik has to be smarter than the proletariat and he is dumber than the proles.

Can you tell I just finished 1984 again? The proles will be the thing to overthrow the Big Leader. Of course this is all predicated on getting the word out and Winston found out the hard way - he loves Big Brother now and just cannot understand how he could have been so wrong about not loving the socialist.

Are we doomed to follow this path? I sure hope not - I don't want to go to room 101 - I hate spiders and they would find that out.

141 Nemesis6  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 4:41:29am

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Kind of sad when someone has to stick to their guns when it comes to common sense...


Anyway, the backbone of the anti-vaccination movement is actually the religious right. And many children have actually died because of it. It goes like this: A child isn't vaccinated because of either the bullshit about autism/aspergers, then something happens. Now, the sillyness could stop here and the parents could realize, "Hey, we've been dopes! Let's get this kid to the hospital and do what's right...". But if the motivations for not having it vaccinated are religious, what has unfortunately happened a lot of times is that they've called a "Christian science" healer. So the child is tortured by having bullshit from the bible preached for a couple of days. Then the kid dies. Lawsuits ensue, but nothing happens, because this is religion we're dealing with here... Not in any way murdering your own child. No no no, it's about "civil rights".

142 esther_ar  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 4:47:00am

Wow, LGF links to my fave scientific blog...must be a first!

For a good discussion of the autism/vaccine controversy, read Dr. Paul Offit's new book, Autism's False Prophets. I've been following this debacle almost since it's inception, but the book is so thorough, it even taught me a few things I didn't know.

One of Wakefield's most strident defenders in the British press is Melanie Phillips. I used to love her pro-Israel articles, but have not been able to stomach her for years due to her beyond ridiculous pro-Wakefield stand. How someone can be so clear-sighted on one issue and so wrong about another never ceases to amaze me...

Olby, in contrast, is a moron through and through.

143 mindy1  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 5:05:26am

The anti vaccine people are fools, and so are the people who take them seriously

144 mindy1  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 5:06:02am

re: #5 Sleepyone
Your friend and his wife are idiots

145 paybacktime  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 5:35:04am

"inducing him to embarrass himself so completely and utterly that I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again..."

What took you so long?

146 paybacktime  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 5:36:25am

The only vaccine I'm not on board with is...

the Flu Shot.

147 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 6:11:20am

The research paper that all the anti-vaccine wackos site to somewhat justify their beliefs turns out to have had the data fabricated:

Anti-vax study a case of scientific fraud?:
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

148 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 6:28:21am

Olberdouche - a simple minded lefty pavlovian dog. woof.

I repeat that Kirby played Olbermann like a Stradivarius. Indeed, Kirby pwned Olbermann and made an utter fool out of him. All Kirby apparently did was to wave Rupert Murdoch's name in front of Olbermann by pointing out that the newspaper in which Deer's exposes ran is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and like a rabid bull on speed Olbermann charged, delving into the depths of burning stupid that reveals utter credulity and ignorance by saying "the truth about the doctor's research may be in doubt, but not Deer's vast conflict of interest nor the Times of London's journalistic malfeasance."

149 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 6:30:47am

re: #19 pat

Olberman is the classic confusion of IQ with elocution. These were the creeps and perverts that avoided justice by their tongues. Hence they have become a parallel survival model, along with models, clowns, and athletes. Idiots that are allowed to survive because of those who think these attributes are more important than common sense or intelligence.

If I could ding you up more, I would. ding ding ding.

150 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 6:32:02am
That's right, because he hates Murdoch so much, Olbermann slimed an excellent journalist, Brian Deer, who brought to light something that desperately needed to be brought to light, Wakefield's unreported conflicts of interest, his scientific incompetence, and now his scientific fraud. He even descended to the level of calling it "journalistic malfeasance." Did Olbermann bother to read Brian Deer's actual reporting? No. Did he bother to look at some of the evidence Deer posts on his website, BrianDeer.com?

Again, the answer would appear to be no.

151 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 7:19:52am

re: #142 esther_ar

Wow, LGF links to my fave scientific blog...must be a first!

For a good discussion of the autism/vaccine controversy, read Dr. Paul Offit's new book, Autism's False Prophets. I've been following this debacle almost since it's inception, but the book is so thorough, it even taught me a few things I didn't know.

My husband just finished reading this book...he highly recommends it, too.

152 P-DEX  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 7:21:07am

The words of Jedi Knight Qui-gon Jinn come to mind when I think of Jar-Jar Olby: "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."

153 KipAllen  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 7:21:50am
"Kirby played on Olbermann’s hatred of Rupert Murdoch, inducing him to embarrass himself so completely and utterly that I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again..."

You mean someone took him seriously before?

154 twh  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 7:30:31am

re: #45 TheMatrix31

I wonder what I like more;

LOLbermann (as posted above), or Olberdouche, which I use every time I refer to him.

I like Olberdunce.

155 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 7:31:12am
Kirby played on Olbermann’s hatred of Rupert Murdoch, inducing him to embarrass himself so completely and utterly that I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again...

So this means that Olbermann was taken seriously before? Just Askin'...

156 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 7:32:15am

re: #153 KipAllen

Dang... I guess I should read more of the comments before making one myself... LOL

157 Kaymad  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 7:34:40am

I'm thoroughly confused. Did Olbermann really decide the story by Brian Deer was bogus ONLY because it came from a Rupert Murdoch owned newspaper?

158 SFGoth  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:02:46am

re: #67 ArchangelMichael

I'd give Amanda Peet an upding for that if I could. I used to like Jenny McCarthy... or to be honest, I used to like to look at her. Now, not so much.

Everybody, except Sophia Loren it seems, eventually gets into the "used to like to look at" category. Oh, Bernadette Peters is still teaching teenage boys what hormones are.

159 SFGoth  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:03:41am

Read somewhere that the rise in autism correlates with the later age at which people are having kids. Gee, ya think? Oh, but that's so politically incorrect.

160 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:06:33am

Just a thought...

While some on the left have certainly been duped by this anti-vaccine nonsense, it seems to me that this is primarily a libertarian right-wing nutjob phenomenon.

161 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:09:55am

re: #159 SFGoth

Read somewhere that the rise in autism correlates with the later age at which people are having kids. Gee, ya think? Oh, but that's so politically incorrect.

The problem with that is if that is proven to be a major reason then it puts the middle and upper classes in the US in a serious bind, as the demands of starting many careers now preclude earlier child-bearing. Thus a dilemma: either be a poorer provider by having children early, or risk health problem for the child by waiting.

162 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:15:23am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Well, the scientists that these people demonize will eventually be the ones that find a cure for these health problems and free them from such a difficult choice.

163 RightMinded  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:16:36am

My six year old is on the autism spectrum. He has been fully vaccinated. We do not know what caused him to have autism when his older brother does not. All I can say that as a parent of a child with autism, it is a hard and long road to travel. Although I may not agree with people who are totally against vaccines, I understand the pain they feel having a child with the condition.

164 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:19:24am

re: #162 Basho

Well, the scientists that these people demonize will eventually be the ones that find a cure for these health problems and free them from such a difficult choice.

If political pressure doesn't force the scientists out of the medical research business first. Every nutso movement like this piles more costs and pressure on researchers. That pressure has to take its toll and if not dealt with it'll keep right on shrinking the medical research field.

165 Basho  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:23:46am

re: #163 RightMinded

Although I may not agree with people who are totally against vaccines, I understand the pain they feel having a child with the condition.

I can sympathize with the pain they are going through, what I can't sympathize with is them taking out their emotions on those who have nothing to do with their present situation.

166 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:38:02am

re: #159 SFGoth

Read somewhere that the rise in autism correlates with the later age at which people are having kids. Gee, ya think? Oh, but that's so politically incorrect.

One of my nephews has autism - and his parents were both well over 40 when they had him.

167 RightMinded  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:41:00am

re: #159 SFGoth

I was 36 when my autistic son was born. I hadn't heard that there was a correlation with autism and the mother's age. Although, I have heard of other risks increase when the mom is over 35, like down's syndrome.

168 jcbunga  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:43:23am

Olbermann duped. This comes as no SHOCKA.

He is in a constant state of dupification.

169 RightMinded  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:44:30am

I'm off to the front page to check out the links. Later all.

170 Olderthandirt  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:46:59am

So, that's all it takes for a Liberal to disdain another Liberal, for the first Liberal to hear the second Liberal tell a falsehood? Well, goody!

However, how do we get Liberals to even understand what a falsehood is?

Someone above hit on the head, it's going to be a long four years. However, perhaps there's a slim chance some of them might understand that El Presidente Obama (PBUH) is lying through his teeth on everything except his name and that could be a lie too!

171 sonopasquale  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:48:43am

Wait, there was someone that took Olberfool seriously?
".......I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again..."

172 freedombilly  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:51:00am

This guy was a loser on SportsCenter. Now he's just a much more damaging loser on MSLSD. The only saving grace is that he has about five viewers and gets clubbed in the ratings every single stinking day.

173 ladycatnip  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:53:33am

First there's The Memo exposed by the L.A. Times regarding the danger of mercury.

Then there's this about-face by the Times. Research Can't Link Autism to Mercury:

The prevalence of autism in California children continued to rise after most vaccine manufacturers started to remove the mercury-based preservative thimerosal in 1999, suggesting that the chemical was not a primary cause of the disorder, according to a study released Monday.

The analysis found that from 2004 to 2007, when exposure to thimerosal dropped significantly for 3 to 5 year olds, the autism rate continued to increase in that group from 3.0 to 4.1 per 1,000 children.

“If mercury exposure in vaccines was a major cause of autism, then the number of … affected kids should have diminished once they were no longer exposed to thimerosal,” said Dr. Robert Schechter, lead author of the study and a medical officer at the state Department of Public Health. “That is not what we found.”

So many conflicting opinions and reports, it would really be nice if we could get to the bottom of this - all three of my kids were vaccinated, but had such severe reactions that their pediatrician only gave them 1/2 doses at a time.

Here's a YouTube of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., on the Scarborough show discussing this.

Either way you look at it, mercury is a dangerous and deadly neuro-toxin. Hard to believe they couldn't come up with a better preservative.

174 lostlakehiker  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:04:31am

Court says vaccine does not cause autism. The truth wins one in court.

WASHINGTON – In a big blow to parents who believe vaccines caused their children's autism, a special court ruled Thursday that the shots are not to blame.

The judges in the cases said the evidence was overwhelmingly contrary to the parents' claims — and backed years of science that found no risk.

"It was abundantly clear that petitioners' theories of causation were speculative and unpersuasive," the court concluded in one of a trio of cases ruled on Thursday.

The ruling was anxiously awaited by health authorities and families who began presenting evidence nearly two years ago. More than 5,500 claims have been filed by families seeking compensation through the government's Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. The claims are reviewed by special masters serving on the U.S. Court of Claims.

"Hopefully, the determination by the special masters will help reassure parents that vaccines do not cause autism," the Department of Health and Human Services said in a statement.

An attorney for the families did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

He explained "What's to say? We were wrong." /but nobody ever says that, except to say it between the lines, by their silence.

175 uncc_compman  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:05:24am

re: #163 RightMinded

I was getting ready to say the same thing. My 4 year old is also on the autism spectrum, and has also been fully vaccinated. My 3 month old is now going thru the series of vaccinations and we have decided to enter a middle road on this subject. We will fully vaccinate other than the flu shot, but will do it at a slower pace than the schedule, limiting the number of shots to 6-7 at a time (for example, MMR would be 3 vaccines). We will probably delay the MMR vaccine, but in the end he will have the vaccine.

176 uncc_compman  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:09:42am

re: #166 FrogMarch

One of my nephews has autism - and his parents were both well over 40 when they had him.

To counteract this, my wife was 20 when my oldest son was born. He was diagnosed with autism shortly before his 3rd birthday.

177 lostlakehiker  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:21:00am

re: #173 ladycatnip

First there's The Memo exposed by the L.A. Times regarding the danger of mercury.

Then there's this about-face by the Times. Research Can't Link Autism to Mercury:

So many conflicting opinions and reports, it would really be nice if we could get to the bottom of this - all three of my kids were vaccinated, but had such severe reactions that their pediatrician only gave them 1/2 doses at a time.

Here's a YouTube of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., on the Scarborough show discussing this.

Either way you look at it, mercury is a dangerous and deadly neuro-toxin. Hard to believe they couldn't come up with a better preservative.

With poison, it's a matter of the dose. Lead is a neurotoxin too. But a lot of us have handled lead sinkers with unwashed hands, then eaten. We lived. What risk we did take came from the possibility of ingesting harmful bacteria on the unwashed hands. The trace quantities of lead involved were no danger. Bacteria kill tens of millions of people every year. And why did they use thimerosal, with its mercury? Because the mercury IS a poison. It poisons any pathogens that might be in the vaccine. The poison is a lot, when concentrated in the tiny volume of the dose, and when the pathogen is exposed to it continuously. But this same quantity of poison, diluted by a factor of millions or billions and then flushed out of the system, causes no harm to a child.

Pathogens injected along with vaccine could cause real harm. You have to weigh one risk against another. In the end, this panic has cost all too many children unnecessary bouts with diseases the vaccines would have protected them against, because deluded parents flinched from giving their children vaccine. No mercury poisoning was avoided, because the dose was always far below the threshold of harm.

A wikipedia article explains

178 zelnaga  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:23:17am

re: #98 ArchangelMichael

I think there's another issue to blame for this as well. Americans, and the people of Western Civilization in general have had things really good since the end of WWII. So good that we have to invent problems.

In the US "poor" people almost always have a roof over their head and often they have TVs, Microwave ovens, cars... Some are obese.

We've eradicated almost every illness that has plagued mankind for almost all of human history. And the average lifespan has gone from 40+ to 70+. Infant mortality is almost non-existent. Most, but not all, of the big illnesses we have to deal with if not curable are treatable and many are the result of bad lifestyle choices and are therefore avoidable.

When I think I got it bad, I look at this picture of an african village on the wall in the office of one of my coworkers. It straightens my bullshit thinking out really fast.

So we got it very good. People need something to bitch about. Something to worry about. When real problems are few and far between, we invent them.

Now we have a legion of moonbats worrying and/or complaining about everything under the sun: Vaccination, flouridation, vitamin fortification, trans-fats, genetically modified foods, DDT, carbon dioxide, artificial sweeteners, circumcision, carbohydrates... the list goes on and on.

I wish I was born in some future time where interstellar travel was feasible and I could pack-up and go start an Anti-idiotarian colony. Moonbats need not apply.

That goes both ways. In the United States, sane people worry about what the terrorists Obama is releasing are liable to do, whereas in Iraq, under Saddam, the greater threat wasn't from terrorists - it was people like Chemical Ali who, acting with the full blessings of their government, might gas an entire city just for fun. That we're not as bad off as Iraq was, then, or as many African countries are, today, doesn't mean that our worry isn't justified.

I'm sure there are countries where an education system as widespread as ours, even if it did endorse intelligent design, would still be preferred to what they have now. That doesn't mean our own criticisms about intelligent design being integrated into the curriculum aren't justified.

That someone is worse off than you doesn't mean that your complaints aren't legitimate.

In the case of vaccinates, I don't think there complaints are illegitimate because there are people worse off than us - I think they're illegitimate because they're just dumb and totally unfounded.

179 LieSeeker  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:53:57am

... and the Washington Post now also points out the faked MMR mercury data used in the Lancet study.

180 Ceemack  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:31:10am

Playing Keith Olbermann for a fool is like playing a violin for...a violin.

181 barry the baptist  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:37:52am

Someone actually took Olbermann seriously?

Wow.

182 rabbit  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:27:15am

Doesn't anyone actually read the articles and follow the real story? Dr. Wakefield has NEVER said he was anti-vaccine. Further, studies and talk of possible unintended effects from vaccines - and a possible connection to autism - were going on a decade or more before RFK and Wakefield got involved.

Many Americans don't realize that UK citizens don't have a choice. Your child either gets the MMR shot (three-in-one) or nothing. Parents don't have a choice of letting the child get separate mumps, measles and rubella shots, a few days or weeks apart. All..or nothing. And there's the rub. IF you happen to have a child with a weak immune system, or a low birthweight, possible premature, child - and the doctors have been telling you and telling you that your child has a weak immune system - then your child 'may' not do so well on the 'typical' shot schedule. Spacing the shots out so the immune system doesn't get so much as once may be a reasonable choice. That is not anti-vaccine; it is common sense. But in the UK, parents don't get to make that decision...and thus some parents have chosen not to vaccinate at all. NOT a good choice. Dr. Wakefield does NOT support avoidance of vaccines; rather, he supports the option of separate vaccine usage.

The number of vaccines given in the first two years of life has increased dramatically over the past 20 years. Just because an adult today says, "I had the shots and I'm okay...." - well, any adult today probably didn't get more than about 6 vaccines in infancy, compared to the 20 or 30 or 40 given to the current generation. Just how many vaccines can a human infant handle at once? 50? 100? 500? 50,000? Nobody knows...nobody has EVER studied the matter. Vaccines are all approved on a stand-alone basis; nobody ever looks at what happens when you vaccinate an infant with an untypically weak immune system over and over and over. And that's the rub.

The UK has made Wakefield out to be a pariah rather than back down and permit single dose vaccines. THERE's the real issue.

183 Boolz  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:45:12am

was there ever a time that Olbermann should have been taken seriously?

184 logboy  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:06:06pm

re: #182 rabbit

Doesn't anyone actually read the articles and follow the real story? Dr. Wakefield has NEVER said he was anti-vaccine. Further, studies and talk of possible unintended effects from vaccines - and a possible connection to autism - were going on a decade or more before RFK and Wakefield got involved.

Many Americans don't realize that UK citizens don't have a choice. Your child either gets the MMR shot (three-in-one) or nothing. Parents don't have a choice of letting the child get separate mumps, measles and rubella shots, a few days or weeks apart. All..or nothing. And there's the rub. IF you happen to have a child with a weak immune system, or a low birthweight, possible premature, child - and the doctors have been telling you and telling you that your child has a weak immune system - then your child 'may' not do so well on the 'typical' shot schedule. Spacing the shots out so the immune system doesn't get so much as once may be a reasonable choice. That is not anti-vaccine; it is common sense. But in the UK, parents don't get to make that decision...and thus some parents have chosen not to vaccinate at all. NOT a good choice. Dr. Wakefield does NOT support avoidance of vaccines; rather, he supports the option of separate vaccine usage.

The number of vaccines given in the first two years of life has increased dramatically over the past 20 years. Just because an adult today says, "I had the shots and I'm okay...." - well, any adult today probably didn't get more than about 6 vaccines in infancy, compared to the 20 or 30 or 40 given to the current generation. Just how many vaccines can a human infant handle at once? 50? 100? 500? 50,000? Nobody knows...nobody has EVER studied the matter. Vaccines are all approved on a stand-alone basis; nobody ever looks at what happens when you vaccinate an infant with an untypically weak immune system over and over and over. And that's the rub.

The UK has made Wakefield out to be a pariah rather than back down and permit single dose vaccines. THERE's the real issue.

You just contradicted yourself. I thought you said you didn't have a choice?

Many Americans don't realize that UK citizens don't have a choice. Your child either gets the MMR shot (three-in-one) or nothing.

When will you anti-vaccine nuts learn from history, ESPECIALLY in Europe where your population has been decimated by infectious disease on numerous occasions?

185 flemming47  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:48:06pm

How dare you sirs. It's not all Keith Obermans fault. No dishonest man can think straight while consumed by that much hate.

186 rabbit  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:19:06pm

re:184 Sorry if I wasn't clear. Brits don't have a choice between a combination MMR injection AND single injections of M, M, and R separately. Americans DO have that choice. As a result, unfortunately, many people have thus decided to skip the vaccines altogether.

Don't know where you got the idea I was anti-vaccine. I am PRO-vaccine. I just think parents and their pediatricians should have some say so over the timing and choices of vaccines...as opposed to the 'one size fits all' government-approach that Wakefield has complained about in the U.K. If a parent wants to pay the difference to get the M, M, and R separately over a period 6 weeks rather than in one jab all at once...the parent should be able to do so.

187 funky chicken  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 4:55:11pm

Hey, first the guy that donated the max to Obama who has now launched an anti-stimulus website (Instapundit had it earlier) and now this guy finally figures out that Olbermann is a nut.

How many such awakenings will occur over the next few years?

188 Wilderstad  Thu, Feb 12, 2009 5:54:47pm

Dr. Offit has a basic conflict of interest. He is a producer of a vaccine called RotaTeq, an earlier version of which (Rotoshield) was pulled from market due to giving some infants intususseption. In a February 2007 update, the FDA announced that there had been 28 post-marketing reports of intussusception with RotaTeq. They claim it did not exceed the expected (?) number of background cases based on the unvaccinated population ( which population, what ages and what sample they don't say.)

Doctors and the pharmaceutical companies are not above manipulating data for the purpose of financial or personal gain.

As to mercury: [Link: articles.latimes.com...]
You might also try a google search for the Simpsonwood Transcript - a meeting held by Drs and vaccine manufacturers focusing on mercury , it's addition to vaccines and cover up of the data related to it.

189 suntory_boss  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 3:19:22am

The slut vaccine has a LOT more adverse events compared to other vaccines given to girls of a similar age. Is it okay for liberals to mandate a non communicable in school disease (unless they have orgies in class) vaccine because they presume the girl can't keep her panties on because mommy couldn't?

190 Ron Shaw  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:16:13am

...I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again...

Now that's funny!

191 Tricky Dick  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:48:21am
Kirby played Olbermann like Itzhak Perlman playing a goddamned Stradivarius. Indeed, Kirby played on Olbermann’s hatred of Rupert Murdoch, inducing him to embarrass himself so completely and utterly that I can never—ever—take Olbermann seriously again...

Wow, you were stupid enough to take him seriously a first time?

192 strandedsf  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:09:06pm

Charles, why did you link to those people? They are dickheads.


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