Repost from previous thread:
For those of you who were here a few threads back (about 7 hours ago), I mentioned that there had been a major incident at York.

I've since found out that it probably wasn't major enough to become a news story, but for those involved, it was extremely traumatizing.

Rather than give a summary, I am going to quote an open-letter published on facebook by a York University student:

An Open Letter to Krisna SaravanamuttuShare
Today at 1:14am

Before this note can be fully understood, I think it would be necessary for some readers to know the events of today to be understood to the general public. The following is an eyewitness account of the harassment felt by Jewish members of the DROP YFS team...

Drop YFS held a press conference in a room that could only comfortably fit 30 people, to announce the success of our petition. After letting about 50 people in, we told people that they couldn't come in, because we were at capacity, and didn't want to break fire code.

Once the conference started, people started banging on the door, yelling "Let us in" and "Zionist Racists".

The conference was canceled, and all the students were asked to leave. The students who left were greeted by a mob chanting slurs against them, chanting "this is OUR campus" and shoving some people.

The Jewish students who felt targeted, as well as some journalists, were invited to go up to Hillel, The Jewish student's lounge, one floor up. They were followed up by about 100 people, who continued to chant, and some of whom approached the people watching the door.

The people watching the door retreated inside the lounge and locked the door once security arrived. Some people shoved past security and banged on the glass of the door.

Some Jewish students went out to confront the people banging on the door, and heard such comments as "leave our campus", "Israelis off campus" and "Let's break the glass and get them out".

When a man with his face covered came to the door and banged on it, many students became terrified, began to cry, and some contacted the police.

When the police arrived, they told students to evacuate the room, and be escorted out. The Jewish students lined up, and walked out with their heads down, not saying anything or making eye contact, as instructed by the staff. They were escorted out of the area by police, as the mob of 100 or so chanted more racial slurs, and yelled "SHAME".

Among the people seen leading the mob were Krishna Saravanamuttu, the York Federation of Students Vice President of Equity. I saw him after the rally shaking people's hands and thanking them for coming.

Assuming the above statements are true, which I believe they are, I have the following open letter for Krisna and any of his gang of thugs who care to listen.

Dear Krisna,

Do you know what words mean?

Do you, for instance, know what the word "equity" means? Because it appears to me that you don't. Being that you are the VP Equity for the YFS I find it quite disturbing that you would congratulate fanatical students on their attack against a minority group in the university.

There is much for me to say here on the topic of irony. For instance, your sanctions against pro-life groups come ringing to mind. As I recall, the YFS defended this motion by claiming that pro-life groups cause the university environment to become threatening and inhospitable.

And while not a single person has ever been harmed by Students for Bioethical Awareness; you other hand have knowingly contributed to terrifying and bullying a minority of students whom you claim to represent. How horrifying, that you should take it upon yourself to compare pro-life students to white supremacists and then only months act in a way that would make any Grand Dragon welcome you openly into their folds. ...

The rest is about to follow:

When I think of your hypocrisy and your hatred of dissent, words escape me. Your actions are more shameful than shame can ever communicate. They are more disgusting than disgust can ever reach. The fact that you --a person appointed to defending the rights of minorities-- could attack them when the cause fits your own political interests, is cause for all of us to reconsider the value in you or your position.
I am not a Zionist, and I am not Jewish. I can never understand the deep feelings of terror which you filled into the hearts of that community today, but that will not stop me from speaking out against it.

In light of your recent actions I give you the following two options: either you resign your post immediately, apologize publicly and fade into the obscurity which you so richly deserve; or you are welcome to debate me.

Should you choose the former, I expect your apology to be genuine. I expect you to look into the eyes of the people you've hurt today and promise that nothing like this will ever happen again at York University.

Should you choose the latter, I have only one thing to say to you- I promise that I will not make this easy.

Choose whichever one you wish, one thing is certain, the York community cannot exist peacefully when people would rather scream then talk. Or would rather terrify their opponents than listen to them

-Michael Payton

re: #2 Joo-LiZ

I'm beginning to think the World has gone mad.

Are ideas artificial?

re: #4 BignJames

Are ideas artificial?

i don't know, but most of the people i meet are.

/lizards not included

i'm still going to bed, but having whined about the thread, i had to post in it...

Clarification: this is York University in Toronto, Canada... they JUST got out of a 3-month long strike, in which the York Federation of Students (YFS), went against the will of the student body and openly supported the strike, even going as far as spending mandatory student fees on pub nights and entertainment for those on strike.

Students scheduled to graduate who had jobs lined up, or any students who had planned to work during the summer to pay off tuition fees have had their entire life plans thrown askew due to this strike; and the university will not reimburse students for lost tuition fees.

That whole situation is an outrage, but a separate outrage... the specific targeting of Jewish students is the issue I wanted to bring up; the rest is just context (as though more context is needed)

re: #5 redc1c4

Hey, you're in SoCal...it's expected.

Is this thread open?

re: #9 Fenway_Nation

Is this thread open?

Wiiide open.

Good Evening/Early Morning, Lizard Nation...

You are on the bus when you suddenly realize ... you have a lot of gas pain.

The music is really loud, so you time your " gass-passing" with the beat.

After a couple of songs, you start to feel better as you approach your stop.

As you are leaving the bus, people are really staring you down, and
that's when you remember ...

you've been listening to your ipod.

Morning/ Evening Night Lizards.

Just received this email. If you agree feel free to use it.

A worried woman went to her gynaecologist and said: '
Doctor, I have a serious problem and desperately need your help! My baby
is not even 1 yr. old and I'm pregnant again.
I don't want kids so close together.'
So the doctor said: 'Ok, and what do you want me to do?'
She said: 'I want you to end my pregnancy, and I'm counting on your help
with this.'
The doctor thought for a little, and after some silence he said to the lady:
'I think I have a better solution for your problem. It's less dangerous
for you too.'
She smiled, thinking that the doctor was going to accept her request.
Then he continued:
'You see, in order for you not to have to take care of 2 babies at the
same time, let's kill the one in your arms.
This way, you could rest some before the other one is born.
If we're going to kill one of them, it doesn't matter which one it is.
There would be no risk for your body if you chose the one in your arms.
The lady was horrified and said:
'No doctor! How terrible! It's a crime to kill a child!
'I agree', the doctor replied.
'But you seemed to be ok with it, so I thought maybe that was the best
solution.
The doctor smiled, realizing that he had made his point.
He convinced the mom that there is no difference in killing a child
that's already been born and one that's still in the womb.
The crime is the same!
If you agree, please forward. Together we can help save precious
lives!Kind Regards

re: #9 Fenway_Nation

Is this thread open?

Your fly is.

Latest from Michael Yon

The Eagle Went over the Mountain

re: #10 SurferDoc

Wiiide open.

Into the Great Wide Open . . .

A lovely, though somewhat dated 19th century sentiment. Happy Birthday, Darwin.

re: #16 guftafs

Lincoln's b'day too.

hello

An elderly couple were having dinner one evening when the husband reached across the table, took his wife's hand in his and said, "Martha, soon we will be married 50 years, and there's something I have to know. In all of these 50 years, have you ever been unfaithful to me?"

Martha replied, "Well Henry, I have to be honest with you. Yes, I've been unfaithful to you three times during these 50 years, but always for a good reason."

Henry was obviously hurt by his wife's confession, but said, "I never suspected. Can you tell me what you mean by 'good reasons?'"

Martha said, "The first time was shortly after we were married, and we were about to lose our little house because we couldn't pay the mortgage. Do you remember that one evening I went to see the banker and the next day he notified you that the loan would be extended?"

Henry recalled the visit to the banker and said, "I can forgive you for that. You saved our home, but what about the second time?"

Martha asked, "And do you remember when you were so sick, but we didn't have the money to pay for the heart surgery you needed? Well, I went to see your doctor one night and, if you recall, he did the surgery at no charge."

"I recall that," said Henry. "And you did it to save my life, so of course I can forgive you for that. Now tell me about the third time."

"Alright," Martha said. "So do you remember when you ran for president of your golf club, and you needed 73 more votes?"

Here's a treat for you all, courtesy of the NEW Twilight Zone. It's a favorite sci-fi story of mine, and this is my favorite filmed version (there are others). Below is part 1, and the other parts will appear as the thread goes on.

"The Cold Equations" (Part 1 of 3)

re: #17 BignJames

Well, Happy Birthday, Abe! My thankful gratitude for your efforts to save the union!

/now, if we could only free His Obamaness...

apparently this sleeping pill I took 2 hrs ago is not working. ugh

"The Cold Equations" (Part 2 of 3)

re: #22 winston06

Just unlax away from the keyboard, it'll work, Winston...

re: #17 BignJames

Lincoln's b'day too.

He's no 0bama...

"The Cold Equations" (Part 3 of 3)

A man boarded an airplane in New Orleans with a box of
frozen crabs and asked a blonde,female crew member to
take care of the box for him. She took the box and
promised to put it in the crew's refrigerator.

He pointedly advised her that he was holding her personally
responsible for the crabs staying frozen,mentioned that he
was a lawyer, and proceeded to rant at her about what would
happen if she let them thaw out.

Needless to say, she was annoyed by his behavior.

Shortly before landing in New York , she used the intercom
to announce to the entire cabin, "Would the gentleman
who gave me the crabs in New Orleans , please raise your hand?"

Not one hand went up ... so she took them home and ate them.

Two lessons here:
1. Men never learn.
2. Blondes aren't as dumb as most men think.

Happy Birthday, Mr. Darwin!

Happy Birthday, President Lincoln!

O Captain! my Captain! our fearful trip is done, The ship has weather'd every rack,
the prize we sought is won, The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring; But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red, Where on the deck my Captain lies, Fallen cold and dead.
O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells; Rise up- for you the flag is flung- for
you the bugle trills,

For you bouquets and ribbon'd wreaths- for you the shores
a-crowding,
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head!
It is some dream that on the deck,
You've fallen cold and dead.

My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still,
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will,
The ship is anchor'd safe and sound, its voyage closed and done,
From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
But I with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.

I'm nervous about how many times the letter "O" is used in that poem.

re: #17 BignJames

Happy birthday to you too then, Abe!

The real deal...

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

...will we ever have another like Abraham Lincoln?

A little girl was out with her Grandmother when they
came across a couple of dogs mating on the sidewalk.

"What are they doing, Grandma?" asked the little girl.

The grandmother was embarrassed, so she said, "The dog on
top has hurt his paw, and the one underneath is carrying
him to the doctor."

"They're just like people, aren't they Grandma?"

"How do you mean?" asked the Grandma.

"Offer someone a helping hand," said the little girl,
"...and they'll screw you every time!"

re: #20 gmsc

New? That's over 20 years old. And it ain't Twilight Zone without a smoking Serling.

I'll probably watch it anyway.
/elitist

re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth

New? That's over 20 years old. And it ain't Twilight Zone without a smoking Serling.

I'll probably watch it anyway.
/elitist

I didn't name the series. It's called the New Twilight Zone, in order to distinguish it from the old Twilight Zone series.

The story itself is about 15 years older than the old Twilight Zone, and is considered a classic.

re: #27 Pietr

Two lessons here:
1. Men never learn.
2. Blondes aren't as dumb as most men think.

When a blonde shows up most men stop thinking.

re: #22 winston06

apparently this sleeping pill I took 2 hrs ago is not working. ugh

Some folks have a natural resistance to such medication. Sadly, I am one of them. I also have a high resistance to pain meds. Not a big deal, until you really need to sleep or just had surgery.

Here in Las Vegas, we're all waiting for an apology from 0bama:

[Link: www.lasvegasnow.com...]
Mayor Goodman Sends Letter to President Obama

[Link: www.lasvegasnow.com...]
Las Vegas Mayor Wants Presidential Apology

re: #23 gmsc

About this TZ episode: I am not hip on all that space science stuff, but wouldn't a frictionless atmosphere negate the whole fuel/weight thing?

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

The remaining fuel was not to get to the destination it was for slowing down and landing when the ship got there. It would either fly right past the planet and not be able to stop or not be able to slow down while landing and crash.

re: #37 gmsc

Here in Las Vegas, we're all waiting for an apology from 0bama:

[Link: www.lasvegasnow.com...]
Mayor Goodman Sends Letter to President Obama

[Link: www.lasvegasnow.com...]
Las Vegas Mayor Wants Presidential Apology

Just reading that is making me consider coming to Vegas for a couple days over this weekend.

re: #40 TheMatrix31

Just reading that is making me consider coming to Vegas for a couple days over this weekend.

No matter what O says he can't help but piss off even more people.

re: #39 ArchangelMichael

So I guess what your saying is that the extra weight would matter upon re-entry, where friction and gravity would take effect. That makes sense. Am I reading you right?

re: #2 Joo-LiZ

That whole situation is an outrage, but a separate outrage... the specific targeting of Jewish students is the issue I wanted to bring up; the rest is just context (as though more context is needed)

It seems like it's escalating around the world, and rapidly. Very frightening. People are openly taking sides, demonstrating breathtaking bigotry against Jews and getting away with it. It seems like so much of it is coming from the Left (I sometimes look in on liberal blogs and discussion boards, and it's fairly common on some of them), and it feels like there's this tidal wave of leftist thought consuming everything. And leftist intimidation tactics being used just about everywhere. Ugh.

Please keep us updated on where this story goes.

re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth

So I guess what your saying is that the extra weight would matter upon re-entry, where friction and gravity would take effect. That makes sense. Am I reading you right?

Not even re-entry, just having to change the vector of approach to the planet to safely re-enter through the atmosphere requires energy which means fuel. More mass (weight) means more fuel needed. Don't have enough fuel? CRASH.

re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth

So I guess what your saying is that the extra weight would matter upon re-entry, where friction and gravity would take effect. That makes sense. Am I reading you right?

The fuel and weight would also be a factor in the time it takes to get there. The medicine needs to get there by a certain time, or those 35 people were die. If this weren't the case, the ship could probably get by with a lot less fuel, as they could drift along at a slower speed.

I like how you're getting technical about the weight and the fuel, but apparently have no problem with him having an real-time video and audio discussion with a ship that 40 light-years away.
;)

*mutter mutter* I hate when work interferes with my posting time. :p

/two fire alarms practically back to back.
//bright side? It's Friday for me.

re: #44 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not even re-entry, just having to change the vector of approach to the planet to safely re-enter through the atmosphere requires energy which means fuel. More mass (weight) means more fuel needed. Don't have enough fuel? CRASH.

I get that any change in vector requires expending fuel, but wouldn't mass (probably the more correct term in this situation) be a non-issue in a "weightless", frictionless environment? Again, I am not at all hip to this sort of stuff, so if I am wrong I welcome any sort of correction.

re: #45 gmsc

Just had to throw that instantaneous transmit/receive problem into it, Didn't ya' Amigo? (For those not understanding-we had transmit delays just talking to our Lunar missions) Haven't you ever heard of subspace FTL radio...Heh heh.

re: #45 gmsc

I like how you're getting technical about the weight and the fuel, but apparently have no problem with him having an real-time video and audio discussion with a ship that 40 light-years away.

Why would I. That part is totally believable.
/

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

Changing a velocity or vector requires a knowledge of total mass. Doesn't matter if it's in a vaccum or in an atmosphere. The more the mass, the more the fuel required. It was a great story, read it a long time ago and then saw it on the new TZ. Glad that they didn't change the ending.

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

Even in outer space-mass and velocity need to be overcome to prevent crashing into a stationary object, comprende? Like when the Shuttle docks with the Space Station...:>))

Where is everyone? Everyone tuckered out after the Robert Spencer thread?

Missed most of that thread for some reason. A lot of sock puppets showed up from what I saw of it.

re: #51 Pietr

Even in outer space-mass and velocity need to be overcome to prevent crashing into a stationary object, comprende? Like when the Shuttle docks with the Space Station...:>))

Comprende? No, not entirely. If you have any links I would be happy to check them out. My understanding of how things work in frictionless space is probably in the neighborhood of less than zero.

Where's red? I need some spiked fruitcup.

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

I get that any change in vector requires expending fuel, but wouldn't mass (probably the more correct term in this situation) be a non-issue in a "weightless", frictionless environment? Again, I am not at all hip to this sort of stuff, so if I am wrong I welcome any sort of correction.

Extra mass would be a critical issue, especially without friction. You have to expend fuel to change direction and speed, and more mass means more fuel needed to achieve the change. You travel to another planet you have to change vectors (speed and direction) if you want to break orbit and achieve orbit, period.

Remember fuel itself has mass, so more fuel means more mass, which means more fuel needed to change a vector.

Look at all the energy expended to lift a Saturn 5 rocket for a moon shot just up into earth orbit. Then you have to use more fuel to break orbit and head towards the moon. Once you are close enough you need fuel to slow down and go into orbit, otherwise you would just travel around and get slung back towards earth. You need more energy to break moon orbit and head back to earth where you need more energy to slow down enough to re-enter the atmosphere at a precise angle, or you would either burn up with too shallow an angle or bounce off the atmosphere like skipping a stone on a lake.

re: #50 BlueCanuck

Changing a velocity or vector requires a knowledge of total mass. Doesn't matter if it's in a vaccum or in an atmosphere. The more the mass, the more the fuel required. It was a great story, read it a long time ago and then saw it on the new TZ. Glad that they didn't change the ending.

When I read the original short story I had a dream of making it a movie one day. Never seen the NTZ adaptation, though.

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

Comprende? No, not entirely. If you have any links I would be happy to check them out. My understanding of how things work in frictionless space is probably in the neighborhood of less than zero.

About the best source I can find to make it understandable is Space Travel 101.

evening/morning folks...lovely friday (for me anyway) and just a few hours from the end of shift. What's new?

Got this today from a friend...

One day my mother was out and my dad was in charge of me.

I was maybe 2 1/2 years old and had just recovered from an accident.

Someone had given me a little 'tea set' as a get-well gift and it was

one of my favorite toys.

Daddy was in the living room engrossed in the evening news when I

brought Daddy a little cup of 'tea', which was just water. After several cups of tea and lots of praise for such yummy tea, my Mom came home.

My Dad made her wait in the living room to watch me bring him a cup of

tea, because it was 'just the cutest thing!' My Mom waited, and sure

enough, here I come down the hall with a cup of tea for Daddy and she

watches him drink it up.

Then she says, (as only a mother would know.. :)

'Did it ever occur to you that the only place she can reach to get water

is the toilet?

re: #51 Pietr

Even in outer space-mass and velocity need to be overcome to prevent crashing into a stationary object, comprende? Like when the Shuttle docks with the Space Station...:>))

Actually a frictionless environment requires more fuel to change the vector. Newton's Laws of Motion can't be reasoned with.

re: #60 Pietr

And what's wrong with the toilet? It doesn't do bad things to the dog. ;)

re: #60 Pietr

Sounds like my little brother trying to give Chocolate to our dad(before rancher when my brother was still in diapers). We hadn't bought any candy he walks up says chocolate dad almost ate it til Mom said we have no chocolate. Point is don't trust the little ones when they brong food/drink.

re: #60 Pietr

Do we have the same friend? I got that today also.

Dear littleoldlady,

Please spike one fruitcup for Sharmuta.

Cordially, Sharmuta

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

re: #61 FurryOldGuyJeans

But wouldn't the total weight of the fuel be altered as it's being burned?

re: #56 FurryOldGuyJeans

Extra mass would be a critical issue, especially without friction. You have to expend fuel to change direction and speed, and more mass means more fuel needed to achieve the change.

I get that you need to expend fuel change direction or speed, but what I do not get is how cargo mass would be significant in frictionless, weightless space. This is likely a force/mass math problem I am not aware of. Again, my knowledge on this subject likely couldn't fill a thimble, so thanks for the instruction and patience.

re: #66 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Tha . . . wait . . . *** checks for unspiked fruitcup ***. . . OK, Thanks! Yum!

re: #66 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

[lol} thanks.

Slides rum over to Sharmuta...>

Well, I'm going to sleep. However, before I do, I'm just gonna post my best wishes to Australians right now. Sam the Koala really made me think about everything going on down under.

For those who haven't yet seen Sam the Koala, here's a few links with the most beautiful pictures and story about it all:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

[Link: mirboonorth.vic.au...]

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

She's such a sweetie. And apparently has a boyfriend who also was burned and rescued. Apparently, they love each other very much, and I couldn't think of a sweeter story for the upcoming Valentine's day. =)

re: #66 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

I wonder if fruitcups can be eaten in the shower? Guess now's the time to find out.

be back in a bit

re: #64 Erik The Red

Do we have the same friend? I got that today also.

She sends me a lot of funny stories-I took it this was a copy and paste forward, rather than a life remembrance...Cheers.

Thanks, lol.

Thanks, Erik.

re: #65 Sharmuta

Dear littleoldlady,

Please spike one fruitcup for Sharmuta.

Cordially, Sharmuta

I just got that.

Thank goodness we're having a maintenance outage, now I can follow the physics lesson uninterrupted

re: #58 gmsc

Cool, much appreciated. Bookmarked for later consumption.

Good morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup. Really need the energy this morning.

/adrenalin is starting to filter out of my system finally.

re: #76 srb1976

Thank goodness we're having a maintenance outage, now I can follow the physics lesson uninterrupted

My favorite online physics lesson: Al's Relativistic Adventures

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth
Weightless is just a relative term. An item has the same mass regardless of the effects of gravity. Your thinking in terms of mass=weight as it's used on Earth in reference to earth gravity. The object does not lose it's mass when it leaves the gravity of earth it retains it what it looses is the sence of weight it has within our gravitational field. While gravity on earth will work to slow an object as will wind resistance, in space resistance and gravitational pull are negligable so the trust from the engines must work harder to effect changes.

Sharmuta! :-)

/whew! took a while to find...

re: #79 gmsc

My favorite online physics lesson: Al's Relativistic Adventures

Will have to check it out when I get home...it's not blocked (for a change), but I got no sound here.

gmsc! :-)

Erik! :-)

Matrix! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

Weightless doesn't mean massless. Weight is what we feel when under the influence of gravity (9.81 m/s² is what we experience). Mass is what an item or person exerts no matter the gravity. Especially in a frictionless or microgravity enviroment it takes more fuel to influence a change in velocity or acceleration because nothing else is impacting the object.

And...it's a driveby fruiting. I have a project to finish up. :-(

I'll either bbl, or

Good day, ALL!™

re: #67 Fenway_Nation

But wouldn't the total weight of the fuel be altered as it's being burned?

The mass of the extra fuel is still going to effect the amount of energy needed to change the vector until it is used and expelled.

Pick up a 3 ounce rock and throw it. Easy, wasn't it? Now TRY to pick up a 2 ton boulder and throw it. Can't do it, can you? But you used up a lot more energy to try to move it.

Extra fuel is extra mass until expended, and will require more energy to change it's vector. Simple application of Newton's Laws of Motion.

re: #85 littleoldlady

Bye, {lol}!

Thank You, littleoldlady...I'll post another while consuming...

Brand new edition of...
"You know you're a redneck when...
1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree.
2. You can entertain yourself for more than 15 minutes with a fly swatter.
3. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years.
4. You burn your yard rather than mow it.
6. The Salvation Army declines your furniture.
7. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don't want it.
8. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial.
9. You come back from the dump with more than you took.
10. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table.
11. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat.
12. Your grandmother has "ammo" on her Christmas list.
13. You keep flea and tick soap in the shower.
14. You've been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.
15. You go to the stock car races and don't need a program.
16. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.
17. You have a rag for a gas cap.
18. Your house doesn't have curtains, but your truck does.
19. You wonder how service stations keep their rest-rooms so clean.
20. You can spit without opening your mouth.
21. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it.
22. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand.
23. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say "Cool Whip" on the side.
24. The biggest city you've ever been to is Wal-Mart.
25. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV.
26. You've used your ironing board as a buffet table.
27. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does $100,000 worth of improvements.
28. You've used a toilet brush to scratch your back.
29. You missed your 5th grade graduation because you were on jury duty.
30. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65.

re: #82 srb1976

Will have to check it out when I get home...it's not blocked (for a change), but I got no sound here.

I'm glad it's not blocked. I'd hate to wonder what kind of business would want to keep you from studying relativity online!

"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S relativity."
-Albert Einstein, replying to a reporter who asked him to sum up relativity

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

Extra mass would be a critical issue, especially without friction. You have to expend fuel to change direction and speed, and more mass means more fuel needed to achieve the change.

I get that you need to expend fuel change direction or speed, but what I do not get is how cargo mass would be significant in frictionless, weightless space. This is likely a force/mass math problem I am not aware of. Again, my knowledge on this subject likely couldn't fill a thimble, so thanks for the instruction and patience.

It matters simply because more mass means more resistance to any change (inertia) of an object's vector (speed and direction). Moving a 2 ounce pebble is easy, moving a 2 ton boulder takes a LOT of energy.

re: #52 Erik The Red

Where is everyone? Everyone tuckered out after the Robert Spencer thread?

Speaking personally, I'm crestfallen.

I don't get it. I look around LGF and I see many smart people, decent people, people of good will who hate fascism in its varied manifestations.

Yet the likes of Robert Spencer & Andrew Bostom inveigh viciously against us here. It's petty, and it's beneath people of supposed good will and intellect.

I'm sorry -- deportation of 150 million people? Mass sterilization? Banning the Koran? Common cause with neo-Aryans? And this cacophony of hyena-like personal attacks against LGF -- what gives?

How unseemly, to say the least, to cloak oneself with the mantle of a scholar and engage in such sickening principles, such anti-humaneness and such pettiness.

Am I in the freaking twilight zone here? What a solitary business it is turning out to be, to oppose both jihad and the siren song of the totalitarian impulse that creeps in like an acid fog to purport to save us all from jihad.

re: #89 gmsc

I'm glad it's not blocked. I'd hate to wonder what kind of business would want to keep you from studying relativity online!

"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S relativity."
-Albert Einstein, replying to a reporter who asked him to sum up relativity

In my case, probably one that expects me to actually get my work done = )...

re: #90 FurryOldGuyJeans

It matters simply because more mass means more resistance to any change (inertia) of an object's vector (speed and direction). Moving a 2 ounce pebble is easy, moving a 2 ton boulder takes a LOT of energy.

Plus, the help of a fulcrum and lever-at least for us lightweights...Heh heh.

re: #91 Edouard

Very eloquently stated.

re: #91 Edouard

Wow, that was really nicely put.

Good night, all!

re: #93 Pietr

Plus, the help of a fulcrum and lever-at least for us lightweights...Heh heh.

Same amount of energy needed, just diluted by a greater distance.

re: #89 gmsc
Wasn't that quote LL Cool J in Deep Blue Sea talking about relativity?

Thanks y'all. Stay sane & well. I'm off to get some shut-eye.

re: #91 Edouard
Don't forget the Voluntary Euthanasia. Were they discussing Pam being a Member of the group as well on the Spencer thread or was she just on Spencer's friend list I missed it while it was current.

re: #99 Edouard

Thanks y'all. Stay sane & well. I'm off to get some shut-eye.

Too late in my case. ;)

re: #96 gmsc

Night!

re: #97 FurryOldGuyJeans

Same amount of energy needed, just diluted by a greater distance.

The difference being, in my example, I could actually move a 2 ton boulder...LOL.

re: #80 Rustler

I do get the difference between mass and weight.

While gravity on earth will work to slow an object as will wind resistance, in space resistance and gravitational pull are negligable so the trust from the engines must work harder to effect changes.

That is the part I am having difficulty wrapping my brain around. Lizard GMSC has provided me with a link that should help me understand this better.

It's time I hit the sack. GMSC, FurryOldGuyJeans, Pietr, BlueCanuck, Rustler: Thanks for the info, and answering my questions. It's much appreciated.

G'nite Lizards.

re: #100 Rustler

I believe she's just a friend, not a group member.

re: #103 Pietr

The difference being, in my example, I could actually move a 2 ton boulder...LOL.

Only because you can't expend the amount of energy across the shortened distance needed to move it by yourself.

re: #105 Sharmuta
Ahh ok just wanted some clarification. Saw her name a couple times or maybe just Atlas I forget which so was curious if it was direct or just her being on his friends list so Guilt by assosciation. Her and he have taken some similar turns lately so wasn't sure if she had joined this new bandwagon.

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

'Nights, SB...don't let gravity drag ya' down...

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

I do get the difference between mass and weight.

That is the part I am having difficulty wrapping my brain around. Lizard GMSC has provided me with a link that should help me understand this better.

It's time I hit the sack. GMSC, FurryOldGuyJeans, Pietr, BlueCanuck, Rustler: Thanks for the info, and answering my questions. It's much appreciated.

G'nite Lizards.

SB, you are more than welcome since you asked questions I actually could answer. ;)

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth Night bro. Yeah physics gets really complicated when you have different the different variables of space vs in an atmosphere/gravitational pull of a planet. Half the people working at Nasa on hte Space Program likely have no Idea on the Basics foretuneately we have some really bright folks and good computers to do the complicated parts for those who only decide when to turn on the lights etc.

Wow, did everyone go to bed?

Best sum up of why we are in the shape we are in economically. :)

re: #107 Rustler

I doubt she'll have a problem with it. She'll side with robert and promote whatever spin he's about to come out with.

Not quite but almost time for me to make security checks. I probably won't be on when i get back tho since our breakfast chef at the hotel won't be in til after my shift so I get to work the Front desk and Kitchen again today.

re: #113 Sharmuta
Yeah I'm sure she will. Was more for my own personal timeline whether she had already joined this conga line yet or if I should start watching for it. It can't get quite entertaining watching her sometimes.

Sure enough- robert's claiming he fell victim to a hoax.

At least my weekend starts soon... torn on whether to take the kids to daycare today, or try to stay up and hang out with them... sleep or play, tough call

re: #116 Sharmuta So he's Parroting all the folks in hte thread who said he joined on accident?

re: #112 BlueCanuck

Best sum up of why we are in the shape we are in economically. :)

I like this one

re: #118 Rustler

What other excuse could he possibly have?

re: #119 Erik The Red

That's perfect!

re: #116 Sharmuta

Just checked it out. If you don't want to be assosciated with the group look before you accept. But Apparently it was all a plot by charles to make him look like a Nazi sympathizer.

Johnson's response to my joining this group was so swift that I suspect that the group itself, and its invitation that I join it, was a hoax and a setup, but in any case I freely acknowledge my mistake: I was working through a number of such requests hurriedly, and joined the group without looking further at what it was all about. I didn't read any of the material the group had posted, which Johnson says advocates genocide and ethnic cleansing and even links to the Aryan Nations.

Jackass

re: #120 Sharmuta

What other excuse could he possibly have?

I mean that would get him off the hook, so to speak.

re: #116 Sharmuta

Sure enough- robert's claiming he fell victim to a hoax.

Just went over and read is explanation. He is pleading ignorance and say that Charles set him up.

re: #120 Sharmuta
There is no excuse and it was a mistake is something I have been hearing far to often lately. Next we will be hearing about the 827billion doallar mistake.

I'm finding the "prank" defense a little strange. Since the group has "RECONQUISTA" prominently displayed in its title, I don't know what the "prank" could have been?

re: #124 Erik The Red

Just went over and read is explanation. He is pleading ignorance and say that Charles set him up.

I would think that any public figure (even if that publicity is limited) would be more careful than that about what they sign their name to... I know I would, and no one really cares what I think.

re: #122 Rustler

It's fucking laughable. And he wants to talk about paranoia?

I said on that thread, and I'll say it here. How in the world can an islamic scholar have no idea of the implications involved when a group uses "reconquista"? It's not like that was a peaceful transfer of power or something.

re: #126 freetoken

Like I said- it's the only defense he had that could "work".

re: #128 Sharmuta
Yeah I don't know if I over stepped quoting Rob but didn't want my paraphrasing to add or take anything from his idiocy so figured quote it and if there is a prob charles or Stinky could zap it.

re: #118 Rustler

So he's Parroting all the folks in hte thread who said he joined on accident?

Makes me suspect the socks piped up to get some plausible excuses.

Nice scholarly eye to detail he's admitting he lacks too.

re: #124 Erik The Red
Yeah I quoted his blaming Charles incase others don't know where to go or have no wish to go there. That is just childish and assinine to Blame someone else for setting you up when he voluntarily accosciated himself with the group in Question.

re: #133 Rustler accosciated Assosciated bah I can't spell.

re: #124 Erik The Red

Just went over and read is explanation. He is pleading ignorance and say that Charles set him up.

Charles set him up?!? He got caught, plain and simple, and is trying to throw up a lot of white smoke to cover his retreat.

But his recitation of "Charles Set Me Up!" will find a lot of sympathetic ears.

G'nite lizards...

Looks like I'm going to bed with my karma stuck at 1499.

/not that I pay attention to that sort of thing.

re: #136 Fenway_Nation

G'nite lizards...

Looks like I'm going to bed with my karma stuck at 1499.

/not that I pay attention to that sort of thing.

No, you won't. ;)

Gotta love when he implies that only Charles sees the Nazism et. all in the groups Charter.

re: #136 Fenway_Nation

G'nite lizards...

Looks like I'm going to bed with my karma stuck at 1499.

/not that I pay attention to that sort of thing.

Not anymore

On a lighter note...

TWENTY-NINE LINES TO MAKE YOU SMILE
1.. My husband and I divorced over religious differences. He thought he was God and I didn't.
2.. I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.
3.. Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them.
4.. I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.
5.. Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.
6.. You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me
7.. Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.
8.. Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
9.. I'm not a complete idiot -- Some parts are just missing.
10... Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.
11.. NyQuil, the stuffy, sneezy, why-the-heck-is-the-room-spinning medicine.
12.. God must love stupid people; He made so many.
13.. The gene pool could use a little chlorine.
14.. Consciousness: That annoying time between naps.
15.. Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?
16.. Being 'over the hill' is much better than being under it!
17.. Wrinkled Was Not One of the Things I Wanted to Be When I Grew up.
18 Procrastinate Now!
19.. I Have a Degree in Liberal Arts; Do You Want Fries With That?
20.. A hangover is the wrath of grapes.
21.. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance.
22.. Stupidity is not a handicap. Park elsewhere!
23..They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken.
24.. He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless DEAD.
25.. A picture is worth a thousand words, but it uses up three
thousand times the memory.
26.. Ham and eggs...A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.
27.. The trouble with life is there's no background music.
28.. The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.
29.. I smile because I don't know what the hell is going on.

re: #132 Sharmuta

His reply was just as you predicted. The man is repulsive.

re: #129 Sharmuta

Like I said- it's the only defense he had that could "work".

We could ask Dan Rather how well that excuse worked. ;)

re: #129 Sharmuta

But again, what is the "prank"?

There were two groups that he joined that are suspicious, no? If so, if he claims he joined both without reading their description - no, without reading their title, then that tells me that he is certainly not as sharp as many people (and himself) would like to believe.

I can certainly believe someone in a hurry would join groups without researching them. However, that is not a "prank", that is just being lazy. He doesn't look good either way... It is more acceptable to be lazy and sloppy (not a good thing for someone who wants to be a scholar) than to be a racist.

re: #141 MrPaulRevere

His reply was just as you predicted. The man is repulsive.

You are far too kind and generous.

What I would say would only get me the stick.

re: #122 Rustler

Okay, here's the problem I have with that. Friends can send you join requests. You must have an idea who your friends are in order to link to them. If I am in doubt personally I won't jump both feet into anything. RS is obviously older than I and should be even more alert to this kind of thing. So I find his excuse laughable to the extreme. Here's another thing as well. When you join a group you are taken to the front page where it will give all sorts of details. Including page, forums and other such links. If he didn't even peruse just one, then he is no scholar.

re: #145 BlueCanuck

Okay, here's the problem I have with that. Friends can send you join requests. You must have an idea who your friends are in order to link to them. If I am in doubt personally I won't jump both feet into anything. RS is obviously older than I and should be even more alert to this kind of thing. So I find his excuse laughable to the extreme. Here's another thing as well. When you join a group you are taken to the front page where it will give all sorts of details. Including page, forums and other such links. If he didn't even peruse just one, then he is no scholar.

No matter how you parse it RS is either a fool or a despicable racist and bigot.

re: #146 FurryOldGuyJeans

True, and the only good thing I can say about Jihad Watch? It lead me to here. :)

re: #146 FurryOldGuyJeans

No matter how you parse it RS is either a fool or a despicable racist and bigot.

Why is it either/or, instead of both? Just sayin'...

...the simplest reason would tell each individual that he ought to extend his social instincts and sympathies to all the members of the same nation.

Imagine that.

Good Morning LGF.

Johnson's response to my joining this group was so swift that I suspect that the group itself, and its invitation that I join it, was a hoax and a setup

This is laughable- he claims he joined at 2 in the afternoon (eastern?), yet Charles wasn't made aware of it until much later in the day, and only because another friend of robert's on facebook noticed. Charles didn't post the thread until 9 Pacific. That's like 10 hours. Yeah- some "swift" response, robert!

Obama is turning the FBI on people who have money.

FBI may shift counterterror agents to anti-fraud
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Senate Democrats are urging more spending to expand the ranks of the FBI's financial fraud investigators.

The Dems are basing much of their case on what this individual says:

Also appearing before the committee was Neil Barofsky, the watchdog of the government's $700 billion Wall Street rescue package passed last year.

TARP has a Watchdog? Who knew? Maybe that dog should go to the pound.

Waiting for the comments to start over there only 2 so far.

re: #147 BlueCanuck

True, and the only good thing I can say about Jihad Watch? It lead me to here. :)

I went from the opposite direction, and decided early on to backtrack.

re: #149 Spare O'Lake

Morning!

re: #152 Erik The Red

I'm talking to myself down there, but I know he's watching.

re: #148 Pietr

Why is it either/or, instead of both? Just sayin'...

OR doesn't necessitate an exclusion of AND.

/ simple computer logic ;)

re: #152 Erik The Red

It's moving... #3 is already a complaint about LGF chasing creationists and not doing what is important...

re: #157 freetoken

It's moving... #3 is already a complaint about LGF chasing creationists and not doing what is important...

RS, a dog going back to its own vomit.

Oh! robert's thread... right!

re: #156 FurryOldGuyJeans

OR doesn't necessitate an exclusion of AND.

/ simple computer logic ;)

Likewise, Nand and Nor, it's always the gate...LOL.

re: #150 Sharmuta

This is laughable- he claims he joined at 2 in the afternoon (eastern?), yet Charles wasn't made aware of it until much later in the day, and only because another friend of robert's on facebook noticed. Charles didn't post the thread until 9 Pacific. That's like 10 hours. Yeah- some "swift" response, robert!

The paranoia the man exhibits is phenomenal. If he had just said, "ooops, I fucked up", no big deal. But claiming it is an overt conspiracy tells me he's short three bowls of granola.

re: #145 BlueCanuck

Repeat this comment on the robert thread. Please.

Morning Lizards.

re: #122 Rustler

Just checked it out. If you don't want to be assosciated with the group look before you accept. But Apparently it was all a plot by charles to make him look like a Nazi sympathizer.

Jackass

re: #131 FurryOldGuyJeans

Makes me suspect the socks piped up to get some plausible excuses.

I don't know this guy, I know very little about him, and I haven't followed the controversy between the two sites at all. I didn't start watching this with any kind of real premise, except that I respect Charles and don't know the other person at issue.

I'm not a "sock", but: Not knowing Facebook but having had a myspace page (against my will - but I digress), I don't think it's impossible that a man could accept an invitation to a group he had no business accepting, just because he was too careless to investigate what it was or how it would make him look. People, even smart ones, step in it from time to time - so that's not impossible. Lots of people wouldn't do that (Charles said he wouldn't, and I have no doubt that's true), but some people just don't think things through.

Having said that, he sounds like a paranoid delusional nutburger in his explanation, suggesting that somehow Charles made him do it. That darn, omnipresent Charles...the dastardly trickster! Nothing better to do than set up elaborate internet pranks (involving what was it - 351 people?) to smear an innocent (innocent, I tell you!) man. /saaarcasm

I distinctly heard a cuckoo clock when I read it. Oy. That was not flattering.

Anyone else love this guy on Youtube?

HowTheWorldWorks

re: #164 capitalist piglet

You are far too beautiful to be a sock, and danged too intelligent. ;)

re: #141 MrPaulRevere

His reply was just as you predicted. The man is repulsive.

And a couple other choice words too. But the paranoia, sloppiness... ignorance... amazing. And yes- it's ignorance or deception for him to try to claim he doesn't understand "reconquista"!

Dumbest islamic scholar ever, of bald face liar? You be the judge.

re: #167 Sharmuta

Dumbest islamic scholar ever, of bald face liar? You be the judge.

I vote both.

re: #165 TheMatrix31

Hmmm... no, not really.

re: #166 FurryOldGuyJeans

You are far too beautiful to be a sock, and danged too intelligent. ;)

Awww...thank you, Furry! I'm definitely not a sock. I'm more of a window-licker. ; )

re: #167 Sharmuta

Seriously, you accurately predicted what he would say. His career is toast. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

re: #169 freetoken

Hmmm... no, not really.

Any reason?

re: #162 Sharmuta

Will do.:)

/sorry about the delay, damn pesky job getting in the way again.

re: #167 Sharmuta

Spencer just comes across as someone who is lazy and bitter, and now is looking for somewhere to shift some blame.

That is not a good path to go down and it is hard to see how it will become better. It should be a sign to all of us to not let our obsessions get the better of us.

re: #165 TheMatrix31

"...can you imagine if George Bush appointed Karl Rove to take control of the Electoral College and the census?"

re: #173 BlueCanuck

I just want the majority of our responses (and you have a great point there) to be where most people will look for them, which is that thread. Thanks!

re: #170 capitalist piglet

Awww...thank you, Furry! I'm definitely not a sock. I'm more of a window-licker. ; )

Eeep!

Did I mention I have a few windows? ;)

re: #175 rightside

"...can you imagine if George Bush appointed Karl Rove to take control of the Electoral College and the census?"

I think all hell would break loose.

*mutter mutter* Had to relogin. Comment posted downstairs Sharmuta.

re: #171 MrPaulRevere

Really- it wasn't hard to figure out the only "excuse" that could help him was a "woopsie" though the "hoax" twist just shows the level of paranoia he's succumbed to. Sad.

re: #172 TheMatrix31

Any reason?

Youtube is full of guys (and some girls) sitting too close to the camera, spouting off about any of a million topics about which they really have no expertise.

If I'm going to spend my time watching Youtube, I'd rather spend my time watching something more... um... entertaining.

Who is key_bored over at RS site? Just wrote a brilliant comment.

re: #174 freetoken

Just a "I was busy" would have sufficed, but tossing in the paranoia kind of shoots his credibility and ruins the excuse. I elaborated on it on the other thread in response to your comment down there.

Pretty good post over there from Key_Bored. Had he thanked Cato and Charles for calling his mistake to his attention and followed through on renouncing the group(s), that would have come off much better than that CHARLES JOHNSON IS FOLLOWING ME AND TRYING TO TRICK ME! thing he posted.

Yikes. Would it be wrong to suggest Thorazine?

I bet Roberts reaction to seeing the thread exposing him was just like Jimmy Swaggart's reaction when he saw the cop car with flashing lights in his rear view mirror after he picked up the hooker.

re: #182 Erik The Red

Who is key_bored over at RS site? Just wrote a brilliant comment.

I agree. That stood right out. Key_Bored ought to work in public relations, if he/she doesn't already.

Rightists may not back Bibi

Good for them if he is gonna throw in with Livni.

re: #182 Erik The Red

But that as a response would have denied robert's paranoid delusions. He's no longer capable of being gracious when their is smearing of Charles' character he can work in.

re: #182 Erik The Red

Who is key_bored over at RS site? Just wrote a brilliant comment.

Could you like repost it here for those lizards that don't wish to give RS the click.

re: #189 FurryOldGuyJeans

Could you like repost it here for those lizards that don't wish to give RS the click.

OK

Your post could also look like this:

"Cato the Elder spotted my membership on Facebook with links to Aryan supremacy. I signed up on the fly at an airport, not fully reading the content. In fact the post by LGF was the first I recognized it was a hate site. While I think it would have been more apprpriate for LGF to wait and confirm with me before their post, I appreciate theirs and Cato the Elder's investigation of such sites. I categorically reject such hate sites and have removed my membership. I'd like to thank Cato the Elder for calling this to my attention. Both my readers and LGF readers know that I am a man of complete integrity, willing to admit a mistake. I stand with men of good conscience in rejecting racism.

What do you think of this Robert, is this closer to what you wanted to say?

re: #184 capitalist piglet

He really is losing his mind.

re: #190 Erik The Red

Actually, I find it a little sad, that comment. It's like this person realizes that robert's reaction is... not the best, and this person wants to spin it for him. It's too late. Even if robert rewrote the excuse, google cache is not his friend.

It's not so much that he stepped in it. Had he stepped in it and said oops I was innundated with stuff at the airport and accepted before having the facts, but was planning on reading up on it later then most woulda said ok fine. Now drop the group and get on with life. It's another thing alltogether for him to claim it is a conspiracy.
re: #164 capitalist piglet

re: #177 FurryOldGuyJeans

Eeep!

Did I mention I have a few windows? ;)

Heh! I, of course, meant that hardly anybody talks to me...not that I literally lick windows! No sir, you'll have to call professionals for that gig! I recommend Maid Brigade, though I think they use Windex and rags. ; )

re: #194 capitalist piglet

Heh! I, of course, meant that hardly anybody talks to me...not that I literally lick windows! No sir, you'll have to call professionals for that gig! I recommend Maid Brigade, though I think they use Windex and rags. ; )

You mean we couldn't find some other uses for tongues?

Oh, DARN!

Recession

re: #181 freetoken

Good right until the very end...LOL

His commentators are starting to make excuses for him now.

re: #198 Erik The Red

His commentators are starting to make excuses for him now.

And some ex LGF people over there commenting.

re: #199 Erik The Red

And some ex LGF people over there commenting.

Incest is attractive, apparently.

re: #191 Sharmuta

He really is losing his mind.

Is this a new thing, Sharm? The sniping at Charles was rather juvenile (and not completely unexpected, from someone who's embarrassed and/or defensive), but the accusation that Charles was behind this was rather startling. Is it actual paranoia, or a just a deliberate (albeit lame) attempt at deflection?

It is sad. RS posted his reply almost an hour ago. Only 6 replies. If he has so muck support where is his traffic. If it was LGF the thread would be 200 strong and counting.

re: #202 Erik The Red

It is sad. RS posted his reply almost an hour ago. Only 6 replies. If he has so muck support where is his traffic. If it was LGF the thread would be 200 strong and counting.

Much

PIMF

re: #203 Erik The Red

Much

PIMF

Muck Support is more accurate. ;)

re: #202 Erik The Red Sad thing is one of his 8 commenters obviously didn't read the thread he commented on.

Johnson would never consider the fact that, perhaps, that group might have had a different name when Robert joined it.

I've seen it happen on other such websites. One day, you join "Islam vs the West." If someone other than its original owner takes over the group, he might rename it "Pedro Fans - Napoleon Dynamite."

is his whole comment RS discredits this scenario in the post this comments on.

re: #198 Erik The Red

His commentators are starting to make excuses for him now.

Of course they are!

re: #201 capitalist piglet

Is it actual paranoia, or a just a deliberate (albeit lame) attempt at deflection?

Both.

re: #201 capitalist piglet

Is this a new thing, Sharm? The sniping at Charles was rather juvenile (and not completely unexpected, from someone who's embarrassed and/or defensive), but the accusation that Charles was behind this was rather startling. Is it actual paranoia, or a just a deliberate (albeit lame) attempt at deflection?

I would have to say yes to both. Since RS came out in partial support of Vlaams Belang, we have been seeing more of this spinning from him. One good thing I like about this site and Charles is the way people will pick a position and stand by it. But if a mistake is made honest amends are made.

Nice cartoon:

Bailout

As man advances in civilisation, and small tribes are united into larger communities, the simplest reason would tell each individual that he ought to extend his social instincts and sympathies to all the members of the same nation, though personally unknown to him. This point being once reached, there is only an artificial barrier to prevent his sympathies extending to the men of all nations and races.

— Charles Darwin

Oh Boy ! Did ole' Charley ever get this one wrong !

re: #196 NYCHardhat

I just left an entry at PJM on that article... probably not the same as you would... but that is what makes this world more interesting - different people with different outlooks.

What is Charles's policy on pasting comments from another site?

Good morning, running dogs of Yankee Imperialism.
I am currently enjoying the airport experience. I have done the perp walk through security, been wanded & pretty much treated like a felon.
I swear next tgime I am wearing a turban, carrying a koran & Stinger missle. I expect to be waved through & I will demand an upgrade.

US worried over prospect of right-wing gov't

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

He predicted that a governing coalition of parties from the Right could embolden the left flank of the Democratic party and turn up pressure, particularly in the US Congress, to pass measures that made clear demands on Israel.

I sure hope all my liberal Jewish friends and relatives are feeling the love now!

re: #212 Erik The Red

Not sure really. But usually posting some of it and then a link is the usual standard practice around here. Unless it's from some of those stalker sites or sites that he doesn't want us linking to.

re: #215 BlueCanuck

Not sure really. But usually posting some of it and then a link is the usual standard practice around here. Unless it's from some of those stalker sites or sites that he doesn't want us linking to.

Won't link to RS site.

re: #216 Erik The Red

Okay, you won't link to his site or it won't LET you link.

Good morning.

So far the Porkulus bill is not getting a good reception in the market. The futures are down, the Hang Seng and Nikkei were down pretty sharply over night.

I think the market has come to the determination that the Obama administration has no idea what to do beyond spend money that we do not have.

I wish I had better news folks, but it looks grim

re: #217 BlueCanuck

Okay, you won't link to his site or it won't LET you link.

Don't know haven't tried to link. IIRC I think we can't link.

Now the comments here are described as "infantile bile"...but "Bozo the Clown or his intellectual peer, Charles Johnson" is what? Lofty, soaring rhetoric?

I graduated junior high for this?

Just posted this on the other thread:

But in this case I have fallen victim to an Internet prank. Johnson's response to my joining this group was so swift that I suspect that the group itself, and its invitation that I join it, was a hoax and a setup, but in any case I freely acknowledge my mistake: I was working through a number of such requests hurriedly, and joined the group without looking further at what it was all about. I didn't read any of the material the group had posted, which Johnson says advocates genocide and ethnic cleansing and even links to the Aryan Nations.

Let's break this "hoax" theory down, shall we?

First- the oldest comment on that facebook site is from October 26, 2008. That's a substantially long amount of time to dedicate to pulling off a hoax to entrap just one person.

Second- this "hoax" managed to rope in over 300 other people before it got to its intended "target".

Third- the "hoax" required a facebook friend of robert's joining the group and inviting him to join.

Fourth- the "hoax" also required another one of robert's facebook friends blowing the whistle once he was invited to join.

Fifth- the "swift" reaction took 10 hours.

Sixth- the entire "hoax" depended upon robert not paying attention to what he was doing, because according to him, that is his excuse for having joined this group in the first place. Had he been paying attention he wouldn't have joined.

There you have it- a "hoax" so well planned, so dependent upon not only others but the timing of the "victim's" inability to devote attention to what he was doing that it was a "success".

re: #220 capitalist piglet

I don't know about you, but I used to post over there. Once I got an account here I stopped doing that. I found most of the commentors there to be a couple steps below what we do here.

re: #218 3 wood

Good morning.

So far the Porkulus bill is not getting a good reception in the market. The futures are down, the Hang Seng and Nikkei were down pretty sharply over night.

I think the market has come to the determination that the Obama administration has no idea what to do beyond spend money that we do not have.

I wish I had better news folks, but it looks grim

Racist !

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re: #222 BlueCanuck

I don't know about you, but I used to post over there. Once I got an account here I stopped doing that. I found most of the commentors there to be a couple steps below what we do here.

I had a person tell me a year and a half ago the comments at jihad watch were too vile for her to read.

Spencer responded to Key_Bored.

Key Bored: Are you Cato the Elder? In any, is this closer to what I wanted to say than what? I said what I wanted to say above. Your characterization of the incident is generally accurate, with the exception of the fact that you assume good faith on the part of "Cato the Elder" and Johnson of LGF. I have no reason to think that either of them acted in good faith, particularly Charles Johnson.

So he intentionally meant to accuse Charles of defamation of character. How do you defame that which to my eyes doesn't exist, would be up to a lawyer to figure out, especially since Charles didn't defame him he stated that RS had joined the group, the groups goals and intent and then stated his opinion based on the facts available.

re: #224 Sharmuta

Just had to check something. It's been over two years since I posted there. So things probably went even further down hill.

re: #225 Rustler

Spencer responded to Key_Bored.

So he intentionally meant to accuse Charles of defamation of character. How do you defame that which to my eyes doesn't exist, would be up to a lawyer to figure out, especially since Charles didn't defame him he stated that RS had joined the group, the groups goals and intent and then stated his opinion based on the facts available.

UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE.

re: #225 Rustler

Of course he did- he's devoted months of his time going out of his way to defame Charles. And yet last night people wanted to give him a chance when many of us have seen exactly this coming from robert for months.

re: #225 Rustler

Also- Charles' post doesn't go into Charles' opinion- it states the groups goals and that robert joined, and those are facts.

re: #218 3 wood

[...]Nikkei were down pretty sharply over night.

I think the market has come to the determination that the Obama administration has no idea what to do beyond spend money that we do not have.

Bloomberg Japan has a more comprehensive opinion on why the Japanese markets are acting this way:

Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Japanese stocks fell to a three-month low as more companies cut earnings forecasts and concern mounted that government rescue plans aren’t enough to foster a rapid economic rebound.

Daikin Industries Ltd., Japan’s biggest air-conditioner maker, dropped 5.6 percent after cutting its profit forecast by more than half. Yokogawa Electric Corp., the world’s top maker of electronic measuring tools, tumbled 14 percent after reporting a nine-month loss. Nomura Holdings Inc., the country’s No. 1 brokerage, plunged 5.9 percent to a 26-year low on concern U.S. President Barack Obama’s bank-rescue plan doesn’t take concrete steps to fix the financial crisis. [...]

Japanese companies foresee an 83 percent decline in profit this year, according to data compiled by Shinko Research Institute Co. The rapid slide in earnings is one reason Japan’s economy probably shrank at an 11.7 percent annual rate last quarter, economists estimated, the sharpest contraction since the 1974 oil crisis. [...]

As mentioned later in that article, one vitally important key is the bank problem. Not the stimulus package, but the bank problem. If the GOP actually held enough seats in the house or senate I propose we would still have a "stimulus" bill, though it might look just a bit different.

re: #230 Sharmuta
Yep I said that

So he intentionally meant to accuse Charles of defamation of character. How do you defame that which to my eyes doesn't exist, would be up to a lawyer to figure out, especially since Charles didn't defame him he stated that RS had joined the group, the groups goals and intent and then stated his opinion based on the facts available

Bolded for clarity :P

"increasingly shrill" Pot meet kettle.

re: #225 Rustler

Spencer responded to Key_Bored.

So he intentionally meant to accuse Charles of defamation of character.

As well as Cato the Elder.

re: #234 freetoken Cato is just an afterthought to RS from what I read in the reply especially since he had to reiterate especially Charles at the end.

The anti-Charles movement is waking up over on Spencer's site now.

re: #235 Rustler

Point is... Spencer is still trying to pass off his foolishness onto other people. The guy just isn't owning his own fault.

re: #237 freetoken
Yep.

Off Topic anyone happy about hte Owner of the Phelp's bong looking at jail time now? A creative prosecutor could get some nasty charges going.
1)Selling Parphenalia
2)Selling a Controlled Substance(the resin in hte pipe is still concidered marijuana)
3)Selling over state lines(he used the internet)
4)Selling a Controlled substance in excess of $10,000(think the water pipe in question was going for $100k)
plus a whole host of other stuff they can throw in there.

Google search term "robert spencer stormfront"

Don't say I didn't warn you.

Google search term "little green footballs stormfront"

The difference is very obvious and very telling.

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Frankly at this point I'm inclined to think Mr. Spencer is not nearly as astute as his readers have been led to believe.

That site on Facebook is not a hoax, it's author is quite serious.

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Spencer, you need to get clear of this before your reputation is irreparably damaged (not here - you're finished here - with your remaining readers and publishers). To begin with you'll need a far better excuse then what you've written publicly so far.

With one simple little "mistake" you've confirmed everything the little Albanian girl wrote about you.

EVERY
THING,
R

re: #238 Rustler

Yep.

Off Topic anyone happy about hte Owner of the Phelp's bong looking at jail time now? A creative prosecutor could get some nasty charges going.
1)Selling Parphenalia
2)Selling a Controlled Substance(the resin in hte pipe is still concidered marijuana)
3)Selling over state lines(he used the internet)
4)Selling a Controlled substance in excess of $10,000(think the water pipe in question was going for $100k)
plus a whole host of other stuff they can throw in there.

It's just my opinion but the Prosecutor is an ass hole.

re: #239 Render

Please repeat this down on his thread. Upding.

re: #238 Rustler

Yep.

Off Topic anyone happy about hte Owner of the Phelp's bong looking at jail time now? A creative prosecutor could get some nasty charges going.
1)Selling Parphenalia
2)Selling a Controlled Substance(the resin in hte pipe is still concidered marijuana)
3)Selling over state lines(he used the internet)
4)Selling a Controlled substance in excess of $10,000(think the water pipe in question was going for $100k)
plus a whole host of other stuff they can throw in there.

Let the dumb ass go to jail. He was trying to make a quick buck and got caught.

More on what is behind the Japanese markets:

Japan’s Economy Probably Shrank by Most Since 1974

Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Japan’s economy shrank at an annual pace of more than 10 percent last quarter amid an unprecedented collapse in exports and production, a report next week may show.

Gross domestic product for the three months ended Dec. 31 contracted an annualized 11.7 percent, the sharpest slowdown since the 1974 oil crisis, according to the median estimate of 24 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. The Cabinet Office will release the report on Feb. 16 at 8:50 a.m. in Tokyo.

Exports plunged a record 23.1 percent in the fourth quarter as global credit markets seized up and world growth sputtered. Toyota Motor Corp., Toshiba Corp. and Hitachi Ltd. -- all of which are forecasting losses for the current fiscal year -- have fired thousands of workers, heightening the risk a slump in household spending will prolong the recession.

“External demand has collapsed,” said Takahide Kiuchi, chief economist at Nomura Securities in Tokyo. [...]

There is no way around this... we all are just going to have to wade through the bad times until product inventories become so low industry will start expanding again.

having read this groups aims i can only say that unless you are an infantile genocidal maniac on the quiet then you could only have joined this group by mistake. having read jw site regularly i have never read anything posted by yout that could lead to that conclusion. that being said there are lots on lgf who are having a feeding frenzy.

Wow she goes from calling him an infantile genocidal maniac to suckling at his teat in under 3 sentences.

The thread here is now getting infected and could use others besides me.

*hint hint*

re: #222 BlueCanuck

I don't know about you, but I used to post over there. Once I got an account here I stopped doing that. I found most of the commentors there to be a couple steps below what we do here.

I've never even read it before tonight.

As I remarked upthread, I really don't know anything about this man, or even the history of the bad blood between the two sites. I'm not looking to make a villian out of someone I don't know, and I can see how this could have been a case of carelessness on his part. Having said that, while I think for myself, I trust Charles' judgment because of my own observations here. If he has trouble with someone, it's usually based on something pretty darned solid.

Except when he's setting traps for unsuspecting scholars on the interwebs.

///I can't help it. Snark is in my blood.

No, seriously - I wish this man would just say he made a mistake (if that is the truth), and let people say what they're going to say. If he's really not interested in this sort of ideology, he should say so and demonstrate it with his actions.

Accusing Charles of being some kind of cosmic mastermind just waiting for a chance to trip him up is simply laughable.

I noticed over a Drudge that I'll be getting an extra $13 a week from stimulus plan. I was thinking about using that money to buy a new car - do any of you have recommendations on what I should buy?

re: #240 Nevergiveup

It's just my opinion but the Prosecutor is an ass hole.

This aint' kiddie porn. Why go after folks in a photograph?

re: #233 golly

Hello, golly!

re: #249 MandyManners

This aint' kiddie porn. Why go after folks in a photograph?

Publicity.

re: #248 gregg

I noticed over a Drudge that I'll be getting an extra $13 a week from stimulus plan. I was thinking about using that money to buy a new car - do any of you have recommendations on what I should buy?

Model T

I joined Facebook altogether a few months ago and haven't spent much time with it, and accept friends and join groups as a matter of course, since the whole idea seems to be to expand one's reach and get the word out about what one is doing -- in my case warning about the global jihad. - RS

In other words he is a publicity whore, willing to get into bed with anyone in order to promote his own agenda.
Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

Crime of the Century!

re: #254 MandyManners

Who is Supertramp?

re: #240 Nevergiveup
The prosecutor hasn't filed any charges.(that I know) These are just some of the things that could be filed. The photo gave probable cause to watch the house. The other 7 people swept up in the aftermath of Phelp's probably shouldn't have gone to party at a house which had public exposure of the type the house had prior to it's raid. The owner of the Bong advertised and offered to sell it in a public forum. He made his bed he can lie in it. Calling the Prosecutor an asshole while completely ignoring the fact that he was attempting to profit from his "friend" doesn't ring right.

re: #251 Nevergiveup

Publicity.

How will that off-set the cost to the county/state? Does he expect increased tourism?