Another world-famous person born on this date 200 years ago: Abraham Lincoln. Powerline has an excellent series of posts paying tribute to (arguably) America’s greatest president: Lincoln at 200.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:52:13am |
/waits patiently for someone to bitch about too many Lincoln posts
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simonml Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:52:14am |
America’s great President? What about Barack Obama (PBUH)?
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:52:38am |
One of the great men of American History. I salute you, and wish you a happy birthday.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:53:04am |
O Captain my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
The ship has weathered every rack, the prize we sought is won,
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up—for you the flag is flung for you the bugle trills,
For you bouquets and ribboned wreaths for you the shores a-crowding,
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head!
It is some dream that on the deck,
You’ve fallen cold and dead.
My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still;
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;
The ship is anchored safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;
From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
But I, with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
~Walt Whitman
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:53:08am |
Happy birthday to one our nation’s greatest leaders.
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simonml Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:53:17am |
Lincoln was a pretty good wartime President. The problem is the Presidential election of 1860 likely precipitated that war
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simonml Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:54:03am |
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2by2 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:54:10am |
Wow,
I’m on a streak, got my first downdings yesterday and just got my first ever first post on a new thread!
I am a maturing Lizard!
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Dianna Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:54:33am |
re: #9 Sharmuta
O Captain my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
The ship has weathered every rack, the prize we sought is won,
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up—for you the flag is flung for you the bugle trills,
For you bouquets and ribboned wreaths for you the shores a-crowding,
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head!
It is some dream that on the deck,
You’ve fallen cold and dead.My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still;
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;
The ship is anchored safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;
From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
But I, with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.~Walt Whitman
About all of Whitman I can stand.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:54:57am |
re: #11 simonml
Lincoln was a pretty good wartime President. The problem is the Presidential election of 1860 likely precipitated that war
The fight was brewing for a long time before that. It was merely a question of when.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:54:58am |
re: #9 Sharmuta
O Captain my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
The ship has weathered every rack, the prize we sought is won,
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up—for you the flag is flung for you the bugle trills,
For you bouquets and ribboned wreaths for you the shores a-crowding,
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head!
It is some dream that on the deck,
You’ve fallen cold and dead.My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still;
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;
The ship is anchored safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;
From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
But I, with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.~Walt Whitman
A great poem and very timely. It was also used in Dead Poets Society, if memory serves.
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realwest Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:55:07am |
Thanks for this thread, Charles. And I agree that Lincoln was arguably our greatest president, despite doing some things (suspending the writ of habeas corpus for one) with which I would have disagreed at the time.
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simonml Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:55:28am |
re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The fight was brewing for a long time before that. It was merely a question of when.
I agree completely. It was just the excuse the Southern states chose to use
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Rednek Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:55:32am |
I wonder how Lincoln would have responded if his chief advisor had said it would be a shame to let a crisis go to waste?
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Dianna Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:55:33am |
re: #11 simonml
Lincoln was a pretty good wartime President. The problem is the Presidential election of 1860 likely precipitated that war
I think it was coming anyway - slavery had to either expand or end, and compromises were becoming harder to find.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:55:38am |
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:55:41am |
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SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:55:45am |
A woman is the only thing I am afraid of that I know will not hurt me.
-Abraham Lincoln.
Answers my question. Helen Thomas was NOT present at his press conferences.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:56:07am |
re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
/waits patiently for someone to bitch about too many Lincoln posts
Wait. You’ll have someone claiming that Lincoln was a warmonger and having a meltdown over that.
/I wish I was.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:56:19am |
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:56:29am |
Obama is no Lincoln and his constant desire to be a modern day Lincoln denegrates this country’s greatest president.
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Kailen Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:56:31am |
Nitpick: The title “President” doesn’t stop when the person leaves office, or dies. It shouldn’t be “Mr. Lincoln”, but “President Lincoln”.
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bulwrk Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:57:04am |
re: #11 simonml
The problem is the Presidential election of 1860 likely precipitated that war
The alternative was Douglas who would have gleefully extended slavery to the Pacific,I don’t see it as a problem it is something that had too happen.
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vxbush Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:57:15am |
re: #18 realwest
Thanks for this thread, Charles. And I agree that Lincoln was arguably our greatest president, despite doing some things (suspending the writ of habeas corpus for one) with which I would have disagreed at the time.
And let us ask: how beloved was he by the modern press? He was rather hated, as I recall.
Let that be a lesson to us—as if we needed one after watching today’s media.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:57:16am |
So, bets on the next birthday thread? Arlen Specter, Michael Ironside or Christina Ricci?
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:57:24am |
re: #6 simonml
America’s great President? What about Barack Obama (PBUH)?
/
He couldn’t carry Lincoln’s jockstrap.
/sorry for the sports analogy
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:57:33am |
Didn’t George Bush kill Lincoln - with a magic bullet?
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simonml Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:57:34am |
re: #28 Jetpilot1101
Obama is no Lincoln and his constant desire to be a modern day Lincoln denegrates this country’s greatest president.
I wish I could upding your comment a thousand times!
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nightlight Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:57:40am |
Read this over at Michele Malkins site:
A little humor for the day ~
The Obamasburg Address
Washington DC
February 12, 2009
Three weeks and two days ago our community organizers and voter fraud operatives brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Socialism, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created to be subservient to their government.
Now we are engaged in a great class war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave up their individual liberty that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The gullible voters, living and dead, who were bamboozled here, have consecrated it, far above the diminished power of the people to detract. The media will little note, nor long remember what we are actually doing here, nor will it ever admit what they did here. It is for us the powerful centralized government, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so fraudulently advanced. It is rather for us, the ones we have been waiting for, to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these uneducated, unskilled masses we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these useful idiots shall not have voted, however many times, in vain — that this nation, under Me, shall have a new birth of HopenchangeTM — and that government of the lobbyists, by the politically-connected, for the career politicians, shall not perish from the earth.”
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albusteve Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:58:32am |
awsome guy….would’ve made a fine power foreward but chose politics instead…just think
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vxbush Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:58:33am |
re: #29 Kailen
Nitpick: The title “President” doesn’t stop when the person leaves office, or dies. It shouldn’t be “Mr. Lincoln”, but “President Lincoln”.
I appreciate what you say, but I must admit that has always bothered me. That’s true of the titles “senator”, “congressman”, “mayor”, etc.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:58:34am |
re: #12 bulwrk
He was gay you know.
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How else could he pull off that outfit with the hat so well?
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:58:39am |
re: #36 FrogMarch
Didn’t George Bush kill Lincoln - with a magic bullet?
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Nah, you’re confusing him with George W. Booth.
/what?
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:58:58am |
re: #12 bulwrk
He was gay you know.
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…and he didn’t really want to free the slaves.
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Two birthdays today, both engendering much debate. The Darwin debate I can see being worthwhile. The idiot Lincoln revisionists I can’t.
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Rednek Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:59:10am |
re: #39 pat
To day is Obama’s birthday?
No, but it should be made a national holiday as soon as the stimulus bill is signed.
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:59:21am |
re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So, bets on the next birthday thread? Arlen Specter, Michael Ironside or Christina Ricci?
Charles Barkley.
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 12, 2009 9:59:50am |
re: #43 Ward Cleaver
Nah, you’re confusing him with George W. Booth.
/what?
Oh yeah! I knew it was someone in the booosh family.
///
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:00:12am |
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realwest Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:00:21am |
re: #32 vxbush
Hi there {vxbush} - you are absolutely correct - the media of the time HATED Lincoln.
Seems like today’s MSM loves anyone with a (D) after their name, but still hates anyone with an (R) after their name.
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:00:28am |
re: #25 SasquatchOnSteroids
-Abraham Lincoln.
Answers my question. Helen Thomas was NOT present at his press conferences.
LOL! She probably wasn’t invited, or was just finishing up J-school.
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simonml Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:01:03am |
re: #51 realwest
Hi there {vxbush} - you are absolutely correct - the media of the time HATED Lincoln.
Seems like today’s MSM loves anyone with a (D) after their name, but still hates anyone with an (R) after their name.
And Lincoln was definitely an (R). Lest people forget that
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:01:17am |
re: #28 Jetpilot1101
Notice your avatar changed - nice. You get promoted?
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Truck Monkey Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:01:18am |
re: #25 SasquatchOnSteroids
-Abraham Lincoln.
Answers my question. Helen Thomas was NOT present at his press conferences.
Helen Thomas was Abe Lincolns mistress.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:01:20am |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:01:30am |
re: #49 FrogMarch
Oh yeah! I knew it was someone in the booosh family.
///
It was John Wilkes Bush!
///
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:01:34am |
re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So, bets on the next birthday thread? Arlen Specter, Michael Ironside or Christina Ricci?
Well, if it is Christina, it better include pictures.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:01:50am |
re: #39 pat
To day is Obama’s birthday?
Nope, his is Friday the 13th, given how he slashes at the good in America like Jason Vorhees.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:02:21am |
Reposted from earlier open thread:
He believed in equality before the law, but he also noted that the Declaration of Independence “does not declare that all men are equal in their attainments or social position.” He respected and followed the text of the Constitution, rather than interpreting it as a “living” and evolving document or simply scrapping it altogether.
He was fond of saying that, in a country with economic freedom, those who begin “poor, as most do in the race of life, free society is such that he knows he can better his condition.” In a free society, a citizen can “look forward and hope to be a hired laborer this year and the next, work for himself afterward, and finally to hire men to work for him! That is the true system.”
*Quotes from the article at Heritage Foundation that is linked above.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:02:40am |
re: #55 LGoPs
Notice your avatar changed - nice. You get promoted?
I was actually promoted last July but never got around to changing it because I had the avatars turned off (I was fond of those little green footballs).
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:02:42am |
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:02:44am |
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saberry0530 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:03:09am |
Just askin a question
Have we hit barak bottom yet?
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vxbush Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:03:13am |
re: #51 realwest
Hi there {vxbush} - you are absolutely correct - the media of the time HATED Lincoln.
Seems like today’s MSM loves anyone with a (D) after their name, but still hates anyone with an (R) after their name.
Which is why I really despise the role that the media plays in our country. They have a terrible track record of giving credit to the really great people of our society.
In a somewhat related vein, think of the media fawning over Princess Diana’s death as compared to the rather minimal coverage that Mother Theresa got. Mother Theresa can be rather polarizing to some people, I realize, but in many ways she deserved more accolades than Dianna.
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:03:45am |
re: #62 Jetpilot1101
I was actually promoted last July but never got around to changing it because I had the avatars turned off (I was fond of those little green footballs).
:)…Belated congratulations. Gold oak leaf is LCDR in the Coast Guard…right?
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:04:13am |
re: #67 LGoPs
:)…Belated congratulations. Gold oak leaf is LCDR in the Coast Guard…right?
Yup, we use the same rank names as the Navy.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:04:21am |
From Hot Air Headlines….
How the Party of Lincoln Forgot About Lincoln
A very worthwhile read.
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:05:51am |
re: #29 Kailen
Nitpick: The title “President” doesn’t stop when the person leaves office, or dies. It shouldn’t be “Mr. Lincoln”, but “President Lincoln”.
The prospect of having to say “President Obama” for the next umpty-ump years is not a happy one.
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vxbush Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:06:01am |
re: #72 Jetpilot1101
And thank you very much.
Does this mean I have to salute you now? I get so confused as to all the ranks in the service.
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:06:10am |
re: #68 Iron Fist
But mankind wasn’t equal at its inception, nor made equal with the doctrine of Darwin and evolution (indeed, some of us are more evolved than others). It is said that Sam Colt made man equal, and there’s a lot of truth to that.
I would argue that Colt made men free. Freedom isn’t just a bunch of words on a scrap of paper. Freedom is only real if the people who consider themselves free have the arms and will to defend that freedom. Without that, some words on a scrap of paper 200+ years ago is effectively meaningless, because an oppressor with the will to enslave and the arms to impose slavery will ultimately enslave the “free” pacifists who believe themselves too good to fight for their own freedom.
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”
- Benjamin Franklin
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Dianna Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:06:18am |
re: #66 vxbush
Diana Spencer was a silly twit who didn’t wear her seatbelt. I was disgusted by the way people reacted to her death.
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:06:56am |
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debutaunt Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:06:59am |
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realwest Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:07:24am |
re: #69 Jetpilot1101
Is LCDR the same as Major in the Army (0-4)?
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simonml Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:07:27am |
re: #76 Dianna
Diana Spencer was a silly twit who didn’t wear her seatbelt. I was disgusted by the way people reacted to her death.
She was white and pretty. Something for millions to look up to
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:07:39am |
re: #75 LGoPs
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”
- Benjamin Franklin
I was just wondering…what percentage of Americans think that Benjamin Franklin was president? I bet the number is up around 52% or so.
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vxbush Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:07:46am |
re: #68 Iron Fist
But mankind wasn’t equal at its inception, nor made equal with the doctrine of Darwin and evolution (indeed, some of us are more evolved than others). It is said that Sam Colt made man equal, and there’s a lot of truth to that.
I would argue that Colt made men free. Freedom isn’t just a bunch of words on a scrap of paper. Freedom is only real if the people who consider themselves free have the arms and will to defend that freedom. Without that, some words on a scrap of paper 200+ years ago is effectively meaningless, because an oppressor with the will to enslave and the arms to impose slavery will ultimately enslave the “free” pacifists who believe themselves too good to fight for their own freedom.
No disagreement at all, but I hope you will admit that some of us use other tools to promote freedom? Frankly, while I would like to learn to shoot, I’m afraid I will never be as good as that as I am at other skills that may be more useful.
And now I have a meeting to attend. Later.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:07:55am |
re: #42 CyanSnowHawk
How else could he pull off that outfit with the hat so well?
I’ve read that before he made a trip to New York to make a speech at Cooper Union, in February, 1860, he typically wore a coonskin cap. Supposedly he bought the top hat while in New York.
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dhg4 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:08:13am |
And the President celebrated it at Ford’s Theater! (And was judged great than Luke Skywalker too!)
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:08:29am |
re: #74 vxbush
Does this mean I have to salute you now? I get so confused as to all the ranks in the service.
The answer would be yes if you have a rank below O-4 and we’re both in uniform but I’m pretty low key. I thnk that comes with being in aviation.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:08:30am |
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redc1c4 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:08:32am |
re: #73 unreconstructed rebel
The prospect of having to say “President Obama” for the next umpty-ump years is not a happy one.
since i refuse to use it now, i don’t see it being a problem going forward.
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bulwrk Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:08:38am |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Good read but I don’t agree with the authors contention that Obama is also a self made lawyer.
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:08:38am |
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:08:41am |
re: #80 simonml
She was white and pretty. Something for millions to look up to
/
And she married a prince, becoming a princess, fulfilling the dream of the little girl inside millions of women.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:09:04am |
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lurking faith Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:09:11am |
re: #29 Kailen
Nitpick: The title “President” doesn’t stop when the person leaves office, or dies. It shouldn’t be “Mr. Lincoln”, but “President Lincoln”.
It used to, or so I read. George Washington returned to his title of General Washington after he left office, because there could only be one President.
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laxmatt1984 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:09:24am |
Lincoln is arguably the best President?
Well of course he is. Anything is arguable. For example, arguably OJ Simpson is innocent.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:09:36am |
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:09:42am |
Can’t we get an embedded vid of some company performing “Our American Cousin”?
…or might that be callous?
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:09:56am |
re: #64 Dustyvet
Helen Thomas is a coyote!
You mean she smuggles illegal aliens in from Mexico?
/ki-yo-tay!
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albusteve Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:10:07am |
re: #88 Ward Cleaver
That guy’s gone off his nut.
he had a hell of a game tho….politics is just not his thing when he is constantly drunk…
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:10:42am |
re: #96 Dustyvet
Ramesses II had a thing for Helen Thomas,
Helen Thomas is proof that Humans walked with dinosaurs.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:10:43am |
re: #96 Dustyvet
Ramesses II had a thing for Helen Thomas,
You mean he liked older women?
/much, much older
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:10:55am |
re: #96 Dustyvet
Ramesses II had a thing for Helen Thomas,
There’s a pun in there, but we’re not yet past 100.
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:11:01am |
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J.S. Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:11:04am |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
I don’t like articles like that…(imo what does the author do? well, of course, he runs around and looks at skin color and then draws conclusions based on skin color…shouldn’t we all be “post-racial”?)
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:11:08am |
re: #101 Jetpilot1101
Helen Thomas is proof that Humans walked with dinosaurs.
They kept trying to step on her.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:11:31am |
re: #87 Jetpilot1101
The answer would be yes if you have a rank below O-4 and we’re both in uniform but I’m pretty low key. I thnk that comes with being in aviation.
I outrank you by about 5 months.
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lurking faith Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:11:31am |
re: #90 bulwrk
Good read but I don’t agree with the authors contention that Obama is also a self made lawyer.
Did he ever actually practice law? Or was he merely a lecturer who never published any scholarship whatsoever?
(Scary to think that he taught Constitutional law for years.)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:11:38am |
re: #95 laxmatt1984
Lincoln is arguably the best President?
Well of course he is. Anything is arguable. For example, arguably OJ Simpson is innocent.
So smart ass, it that a problem, the way Charles worded his comment. Who the fuck are you, the comment police?
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rightside Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:11:43am |
re: #74 vxbush
Only the coast guard and navy differ really in the officer ranks.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:11:50am |
re: #56 Truck Monkey
Do not defame this great man in such a manner. He had better taste than that.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:11:57am |
re: #101 Jetpilot1101
Helen Thomas is proof that Humans walked with dinosaurs.
When God said “Let there be Light!”, Helen Thomas threw the switch.
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debutaunt Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:12:02am |
re: #101 Jetpilot1101
Helen Thomas is proof that Humans walked with dinosaurs.
Calling out from audience - How - old - is - she ?
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:12:03am |
re: #108 lurking faith
Did he ever actually practice law? Or was he merely a lecturer who never published any scholarship whatsoever?
(Scary to think that he taught Constitutional law for years.)
He knows just enough to be dangerous.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:12:10am |
re: #101 Jetpilot1101
Helen Thomas is proof that Humans walked with dinosaurs.
That’s what killed them off. They saw her, turned to stone, and that is where fossils come from.
/
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jorline Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:12:15am |
MLB Chief Might Reinstate Hank Aaron as Home Run King, Suspend Alex Rodriguez
Was someone else claiming to be the undisputed “Home Run King”?
“Hammerin” Hank Aaron Rocks
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laxmatt1984 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:12:22am |
re: #109 Walter L. Newton
Wow. You are an angry guy. Relax a little.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:12:23am |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:12:26am |
re: #108 lurking faith
Did he ever actually practice law? Or was he merely a lecturer who never published any scholarship whatsoever?
(Scary to think that he taught Constitutional law for years.)
see American Thinker for an update
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:12:33am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:12:58am |
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:13:36am |
re: #115 Kosh’s Shadow
That’s what killed them off. They saw her, turned to stone, and that is where fossils come from.
/
Upding!
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:13:45am |
re: #108 lurking faith
Very scary.
Given his current view that the economy is something he can drive, like it was a gawddamned truck, is frightening.
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Truck Monkey Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:13:57am |
re: #111 Sharmuta
Do not defame this great man in such a manner. He had better taste than that.
She was quite the number is 1861!
/
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:14:13am |
re: #121 LGoPs
I think one of them succeeded….on her face….
I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:14:15am |
re: #103 pre-Boomer Marine brat
There’s a pun in there, but we’re not yet past 100.
Mummy Dearest?..:)
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:14:44am |
re: #122 Walter L. Newton
Then why your
swarmysmarmy comment?
Fixed it for you….
- The real comment police
:)
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:14:51am |
re: #127 unreconstructed rebel
Very scary.
Given his current view that the economy is something he can drive, like it was a gawddamned truck, is frightening.
He is driving it right off a cliff.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:15:11am |
Departing from an intelligence estimate published just over a year ago, the Obama administration maked it clear that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday.
Hum ain’t that convenient?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:15:20am |
re: #90 bulwrk
Yeah, I kinda balked at that one too. I’m pretty certain that his family was fairly wealthy.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:15:22am |
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simonml Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:15:22am |
re: #116 jorline
MLB Chief Might Reinstate Hank Aaron as Home Run King, Suspend Alex Rodriguez
Was someone else claiming to be the undisputed “Home Run King”?
“Hammerin” Hank Aaron Rocks
Oh puuuhleeeeease
Alex Roidriguez never broke any rules in baseball. There’s no way he could ever be suspended. Selig should resign for allowing all this to happen during his tenure. He won’t though, mainly b/c he’ll be losing his $18+ million salary
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:15:25am |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:15:28am |
re: #127 unreconstructed rebel
Very scary.
Given his current view that the economy is something he can drive, like it was a gawddamned truck, is frightening.
Its a bus for him, and we’re all pedestrians.
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bulwrk Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:15:42am |
re: #96 Dustyvet
Ramesses II had a thing for Helen Thomas,
Well since there was a Ramesses III I’ll assume somebody must have slapped some since into him.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:15:53am |
re: #85 dhg4
And the President celebrated it at Ford’s Theater! (And was judged great than Luke Skywalker too!)
Lucas truly no longer cares about the fans. Wannabe Jedis are crying in their basements the world over.
/
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:16:13am |
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:16:32am |
re: #133 Nevergiveup
Departing from an intelligence estimate published just over a year ago, the Obama administration maked it clear that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday.
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
Hum ain’t that convenient?
And he is still asking them to “unclench their fist”.
An unclenched fist can still push a button.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:16:52am |
re: #131 LGoPs
Fixed it for you….
- The real comment police:)
Hey, dammit, that’s the way we spell it in Colorado :)
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:16:58am |
re: #137 simonml
Oh puuuhleeeeease
Alex Roidriguez never broke any rules in baseball. There’s no way he could ever be suspended. Selig should resign for allowing all this to happen during his tenure. He won’t though, mainly b/c he’ll be losing his $18+ million salary
Selig is an idiot. The MLB needs a real commissioner, a salary cap system like the NFL’s, and a real substance abuse policy.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:17:14am |
re: #105 J.S.
I thought this was a good point……
But the Party of Lincoln has really become the Party of Reagan in instinct and self-conception. It is ideologically conservative and traditionalist—whereas Lincoln’s Republican Party was the progressive party of its day. It finds philosophical structure in federalism and states’ rights, concepts that comforted southern Democrats of the John C. Calhoun variety. And perhaps not coincidentally, the party’s strongest support now comes from the states of the former Confederacy.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:17:16am |
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:17:19am |
re: #140 bulwrk
Well since there was a Ramesses III I’ll assume somebody must have slapped some since into him.
Since what?
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:17:28am |
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Daffy Duck Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:17:31am |
re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its a bus for him, and we’re all pedestrians.
Well, once we’re all under that bus, maybe some of the more mechanically inclined amongst us can fix the damn brakes and stop this thing….
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:17:36am |
re: #140 bulwrk
Well since there was a Ramesses III I’ll assume somebody must have slapped some since into him.
Once he got a look at her, it shriveled up and fell off.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:17:45am |
re: #128 Truck Monkey
She was quite the number is 1861!
/
Rodney -
I’ll bet you were something before electricity.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:17:54am |
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redc1c4 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:17:56am |
re: #68 Iron Fist
But mankind wasn’t equal at its inception, nor made equal with the doctrine of Darwin and evolution (indeed, some of us are more evolved than others). It is said that Sam Colt made man equal, and there’s a lot of truth to that.
I would argue that Colt made men free. Freedom isn’t just a bunch of words on a scrap of paper. Freedom is only real if the people who consider themselves free have the arms and will to defend that freedom. Without that, some words on a scrap of paper 200+ years ago is effectively meaningless, because an oppressor with the will to enslave and the arms to impose slavery will ultimately enslave the “free” pacifists who believe themselves too good to fight for their own freedom.
There is a story, a joke in some ways, an allegory in others, that dates way back. In it, a British Lord travels to the Frontier West, America in the 1800’s. His horse throws a shoe on the trail, so at the first little frontier town he comes to, he finds a blacksmith’s shop to have the shoe replaced. As he rides up, he sees a large, sweaty, filthy man hammering on a piece of red-hot iron. The Lord sits on his horse, waiting to be served, but the blacksmith doesn’t pay him any attention and continues to work his iron. Finally, the Lord, outraged to have been ignored this way by an obvious servant, dismounts, approaches the ‘smith, and taps the man on the shoulder with his riding crop.
“You, man!” he barks, “Who is your Master! I wish to have a word with him!”
The blacksmith turns, looks at the Englishman, spits a stream of tobacco juice on the point of the Lord’s boot and says,
“That sumbitch ain’t been born.”
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Nevergiveup Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:18:12am |
re: #145 Ward Cleaver
Selig is an idiot. The MLB needs a real commissioner, a salary cap system like the NFL’s, and a real substance abuse policy.
The UNION will never allow that. The players and their UNION are as much to blame for this mess as anyone.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:18:23am |
re: #141 CyanSnowHawk
Lucas truly no longer cares about the fans. Wannabe Jedis are crying in their basements the world over.
/
And he had Emperor Palpatine as a comment on Bush, but we’re seeing the coronation with 0bama.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:18:26am |
re: #150 Daffy Duck
Well, once we’re all under that bus, maybe some of the more mechanically inclined amongst us can fix the damn brakes and stop this thing….
While hanging on, like Indiana Jones.
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bulwrk Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:18:34am |
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:19:16am |
re: #154 MrSilverDragon
Since he and Helen Thomas were a “thing”?
I am not letting Helen Thomas near my “thing”.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:19:21am |
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:19:22am |
re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It was John Wilkes Bush!
///
That’s right, John Wilkes Boosh. Booth. Bush. er I mean yeah - Bush.
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redc1c4 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:19:30am |
re: #95 laxmatt1984
our first Lincoln troll?
Registered since: Mar 23, 2007 at 11:44 pm
No. of comments posted: 190
No. of links posted: 0
green smoke, anyone?
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:19:34am |
So, I just got a call from a Democratic fundraiser. (That is a first. I wonder how they got my name.) She opened with thanking people like me for electing Obama …
The poor girl got torched.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:19:39am |
re: #150 Daffy Duck
Well, once we’re all under that bus, maybe some of the more mechanically inclined amongst us can fix the damn brakes and stop this thing….
The problem is, our driver claims there is a bomb under the bus, and if we don’t keep speeding up, it will blow up.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:19:41am |
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:20:01am |
re: #141 CyanSnowHawk
Lucas truly no longer cares about the fans. Wannabe Jedis are crying in their basements the world over.
/
Has Lucas gone senile?
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albusteve Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:20:06am |
re: #145 Ward Cleaver
Selig is an idiot. The MLB needs a real commissioner, a salary cap system like the NFL’s, and a real substance abuse policy.
I doubt even that would get me back as a fan…not until they wear their pants at the calf again….and the bling!….good grief what a bunch of punks
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redc1c4 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:20:27am |
re: #157 Kosh’s Shadow
And he had Emperor Palpatine as a comment on Bush, but we’re seeing the coronation with 0bama.
i thought JarJar Binks was his salute to Juggy?
/white smoke
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:20:32am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:20:37am |
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:20:49am |
re: #160 Ford_Prefect
I am not letting Helen Thomas near my “thing”.
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:21:04am |
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:21:08am |
Yeah another evolution thread…stand by for meltdowns!
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Daffy Duck Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:21:24am |
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:21:32am |
re: #168 albusteve
I doubt even that would get me back as a fan…not until they wear their pants at the calf again….and the bling!….good grief what a bunch of punks
They lost me after the 1994 strike.
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2by2 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:21:46am |
re: #132 Ford_Prefect
He is driving it right off a cliff.
Some are getting bailed out before it goes over the edge, though.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:22:04am |
re: #169 Taqiyyotomist
Oh, come on.
What do you mean, maybe you are a troll..
Taqiyyotomist
Registered since: Jun 11, 2005 at 4:44 pm
No. of comments posted: 1,639
No. of links posted: 9
4:44pm, hmmmm… those numbers are suspicious.
:)
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godfrey Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:22:07am |
Lincoln:
“Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that “all men are created equal.” We now practically read it “all men are created equal, except Negroes.” When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics.” When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty - to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.” The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, “Letter to Joshua F. Speed” (August 24, 1855), p. 323.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:22:46am |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:22:58am |
re: #177 Ward Cleaver
They lost me after the 1994 strike.
yes and their rep…what’s his name is a huge part of the problem…as was just posted
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:23:34am |
I’m a sleeper moby troll sockpuppet, truth be told.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:23:34am |
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soxfan4life Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:24:09am |
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Truck Monkey Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:24:23am |
re: #168 albusteve
I doubt even that would get me back as a fan…not until they wear their pants at the calf again….and the bling!….good grief what a bunch of punks
I take that you are not an NBA fan either.
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godfrey Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:25:04am |
More from Lincoln:
“At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! … At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume I, “Address Before the Young Men’s Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois,” (January 27, 1838), p. 109.
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:25:56am |
re: #186 redc1c4
Oh, I know, I was just skeptical. If the post count/time registered ratio was a bit more drastic, I’d concur.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:26:22am |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:26:38am |
re: #188 Truck Monkey
I take that you are not an NBA fan either.
I used to be…not really anymore…too many gansters that cant shoot or set a pick
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:27:31am |
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A.W. Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:28:24am |
No “arguably” about it.
Lincoln WAS our greatest president.
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Daffy Duck Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:28:40am |
re: #185 Iron Fist
But isn’t your hypothetical boundary going to be different for each of us, as individuals?
I think that’s what the commies are counting on, because they don’t seem to be slowing down in their onslaught against the Bill of Rights…
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:28:43am |
re: #167 Ward Cleaver
Has Lucas gone senile?
The evidence is there for all to see.
It started with the Star Wars Christmas Special.
Greedo shooting first in the SE Episode IV was confirmation his mind was going soft.
Jar Jar Binks was another indicator.
All three of the prequel films seems to sealed the diagnosis.
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soxfan4life Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:29:04am |
re: #192 albusteve
I used to be…not really anymore…too many gansters that cant shoot or set a pick
Jordan made it a one-player game. Once the team was taken out of the picture the quality dropped considerably. Interesting enough Gary Betteman once worked for David Stern and has to deal with the mess that is the NHL. That’s a crying shame because it is one of the best sports going.
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Rexatosis Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:29:11am |
President Obama should look to President Lincoln as an example of how a President puts together stimulous for the long-term economic benefit of the nation while not breaking the budget. The Lincoln administration put together the legislation for building the trans-continental railroad and the Morrill Land Grant Act est. State Universities through the sale of federal lands. Both which have had a lasting impact on the economic growth of America. And Lincoln won the Civil War. That is some multi-tasking. Happy Birthday President Lincoln.
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J.S. Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:30:52am |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
Basically, the author is saying that the Republican Party has gone from Reagan to racism…hence, its appeal to former Southern Democrats. I don’t know, you think that’s true?
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Three Hundred Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:31:54am |
I have to go with Washington as America’s greatest president. Washington put everything on the line to help create the republic against great odds (Loyalists, the British, even the weather). Then he led that republic magnificently, setting the bar high for those that would follow him.
..and besides, Abe was a lawyer. /s
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:32:07am |
re: #189 godfrey
That’s interesting. Lincoln didn’t forsee air travel or a global economy. Or Jihad, for that matter. He is right, though, for the time. Nobody could really attack us until Japan, and even then not an invasion. What is not forseen in this quote are long-term plans such as those we see from Islam and from Communism…yes, from within, but initially from without. We may yet see that he was right about national suicidality, as Americans succumb, either fearfully or hopefully, to this twin infiltration and takeover.
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Arkay Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:32:34am |
I have never had a feeling politically that did not spring from the sentiments embodied in the Declaration of Independence.
Abraham Lincoln, speech in Independence Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Feb. 22, 1861.
Happy Birthday, Mr. President.
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fish Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:32:49am |
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:32:56am |
re: #192 albusteve
I used to be…not really anymore…too many gansters that cant shoot or set a pick
OTOH, I bet many are quite handy with a set of lockpicks.
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soxfan4life Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:34:23am |
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:34:32am |
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fish Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:34:47am |
re: #101 Jetpilot1101
Helen Thomas is proof that Humans walked with dinosaurs.
Helen Thomas is a great arguement against BOTH Intelligent Design AND Evolution.
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nyc redneck Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:34:59am |
re: #70 Maximu§
Happy Birthday Honest Abe!
and of course O picks this great president to compare himself to.
there is no way, however, we could say “honest O”
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:36:56am |
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)
“0” and his cronies don’t even try to fool anyone.
They flat out lie, deceive and hide what they are doing behind closed doors.
And then have the arrogance, like Chuck Schumer, to denigrate any critics of their “CRAP sandwich”.
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calvin coolidge Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:38:20am |
On the other side of the spectrum, Jimmy Carter was going down as the worst president in history…………….but wait…………..we have a new contender coming on fast!
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subsailor68 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:39:45am |
Okay, pet peeve time. On an earlier thread, we talked about Wiki, and I felt that it was a tough call on accuracy. Here’s an example from what we’ve been talking about:
Quote from that article:
Buchanan has been consistently ranked by scholars as one of the worst Presidents usually with George W. Bush listed as the worst.
Which scholars? Any listed? Doesn’t appear so.
Then you click on the link called “worst Presidents” in this article and go here:
Historical rankings of United States Presidents
And where’s George W. Bush? 23rd in one poll and 18th in the other.
Hardly the worst.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:41:27am |
Here is what contemporaries of Lincoln said of him:
In no life, perhaps, more that in Lincoln’s, did the outward appearance counterdict the inward fact and experience. A casual acquaintance with him would lead to the inference that he looked upon every subject only as the occasion of a joke or the point for an anecdote. But those who came nearer to him, or who carefully study the man, can not thus judge. Upon no man ever fell the weight of sadder care than upon him. Day by day he labored under a burden which he could not lay aside. Thus to his intimate friends he always seemed weary and sorrowful. In an equal degree his external awkwardness curiously contrasted with an inward grace and sweetness not common among men. He was as gentle as a woman. His compassion was infinite. As the hour of victory approached, when the enemies of the nation would lie prostrate at his feet, the desire nearest to his heart was to heal the wounds which the strife left open and bleeding, to pardon and restore.
This is from the book “Harper’s Pictorial History of the Civil War” (Fairfax Press, republished; originally published 1866. Authored by Alfred H. Gurnsey and Henry M. Alden, editors of Harper’s 1856 to 1869, and 1869 to 1919 respectively).
His compassion was infinite.
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:42:15am |
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:43:24am |
And of course there is no Lincoln logo at google today.
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Maximu§ Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:27am |
re: #209 nyc redneck
and of course O picks this great president to compare himself to.
there is no way, however, we could say “honest O”
Well said Princess, I wouldn’t even trust Obama to run a lemonade stand properly. We would have union Lemon suppliers, union sugar suppliers, union sign makers etc etc…
The cost of Obama Lemonade?…….$8.00 per/cup and for an extra $2.00, you get ice.
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soxfan4life Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:46:50am |
re: #212 calvin coolidge
On the other side of the spectrum, Jimmy Carter was going down as the worst president in history…………….but wait…………..we have a new contender coming on fast!
Hope there is no Jimmy the Greek type inference in your post.
Sarc/
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dhg4 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:47:39am |
re: #141 CyanSnowHawk
Lucas truly no longer cares about the fans. Wannabe Jedis are crying in their basements the world over.
/
I thought he stopped caring about his fans when he created Jar Jar Binks.
:-)
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RaiderDan Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:48:47am |
I am disgusted at CNN’s continual promotion and programming today comparing Obama to Lincoln, a comparison that the candidate and the administration are eager to make. Can you imagine the outrage if FOX News ran a daily long program comparing Bush to Reagan on Reagan’s birthday?
CNN, along with the rest of the MFM is Obama’s PR firm.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:49:50am |
re: #219 dhg4
Maybe all the hair care products have affected his brain.
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jcbunga Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:53:43am |
Some favorite quotes:
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.”
“I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.”
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J.S. Thu, Feb 12, 2009 10:54:34am |
re: #220 RaiderDan
It’s like they’re on propaganda steroids…or some extra-strong variety that’s resistant to “accuracy”, while busily pumping up the image of The 0… (turned off CNN earlier today.)
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jcbunga Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:00:09am |
I visited Greenfield Village in Michigan many years ago and the eatery there was preparing meals from recipes of the Lincoln White House. Turns out he loved chicen fricasse and also jambalaya. I sampled both then and have been hooked on them ever since.
:)
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Optimizer Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:13:31am |
re: #30 buzzsawmonkey
From the prior thread:
One could argue that while Lincoln enunciated the political principle of equality, Darwin laid the foundation for the scientific proof of that as an objective fact.
Is this explained on the other thread? ‘Cause all I know about Lincoln on this is effectively freeing the slaves and govt “of, for, and by the people”, which doesn’t necessarily require “equality”, per se.
The second sentence makes no sense at all to me. If anything, science (via Darwin) explains natural variation (vs. physical “equality”), and states or implies nothing about political equality.
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knobdy Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:24:23am |
Lincoln is considered a good President on this site?
No sympathy for the loss of states’ rights (even though some states are now fighting to get the 10th Amendment, once again, recognized)?
Slavery had absolutely nothing to do with the war - it only had to do with preventing the south from winning with the help of the French and English, which has been documented forever. Lincoln did NOT free the northern slaves, only the slaves in states in rebellion. Lincoln was a racist and would have been just as happy shipping them all back to Africa or giving them their own state in the northwest.
First comment…from a hatchling looking for his shell.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:29:39am |
Great. Now we have a ‘south will rise again’ commenter.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:31:31am |
Was Lincoln a racist? Yes, he was.
Did he also do more to stop the institution of slavery than any President? Why, yes, he did.
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HippieforLife Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:32:37am |
re: #193 Dustyvet
Fritz The Cat for Secertary Of State!
What? Do you mean that Fritz isn’t the SoS?!
I am devasted. /
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abolitionist Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:39:48am |
re: #216 Ojoe
And of course there is no Lincoln logo at google today.
They have charlesdarwin_09.gif
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:41:01am |
re: #228 Charles
And note that Lincoln was not an extremist; big positive changes came through a man who was moderate, but with a true moral compass, which he followed no matter what.
A lesson for anyone who wants to make a real positive difference in the world.
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Archimedes Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:42:52am |
Happy Birthday to Lincoln. Humans simply don’t live long enough.
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thefallingman Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:43:19am |
Lincoln, like all great men, had many flaws and failures.
He, like most men of his generation, would be considered horribly racist today. He had a difficult time inspiring the leaders of his Army (at least in the Eastern Theater) to take battle. He was unable to fully communicate to the people of time the import of the Union’s mission which brought on draft riots and seditious movements.
However, on the great issues of the day Lincoln was absolutely correct. Although he believed blacks were an inferior race, he still recognized their humanity and saw slavery as a great evil. He saw the greatness of the United States and was willing to go to extraordinary measures to preserve the Union. He understood that the US could not go on mixed slave and free. During the Civil War, he schooled himself on military tactics and by the end, understood the nature of this new sort of warfare far better than most of his West Point educated generals.
Yes, Abraham Lincoln had many shortcomings. But he is still a great man because they all pale beside his brilliance, morality, and virtue.
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Archimedes Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:45:05am |
re: #231 Ojoe
And note that Lincoln was not an extremist; big positive changes came through a man who was moderate, but with a true moral compass, which he followed no matter what.
A lesson for anyone who wants to make a real positive difference in the world.
The Founding Fathers were extremists, however. Extremism per se is a relative concept. If you believe in individual rights and live in the old Soviet Union, you’d be an extremist, but you’d also have a superior idea for how men should live among men. Otoh, if you were a communist and lived in America when it was freer than today, you’d have an inferior idea. It’s the idea itself that has to be examined.
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Arkay Thu, Feb 12, 2009 11:53:32am |
Lincoln is considered a good President on this site?>
Yep.
No sympathy for the loss of states’ rights (even though some states are now fighting to get the 10th Amendment, once again, recognized)?>
Nope, none.
Slavery had absolutely nothing to do with the war -
Except for the states that seceded, each noting in their respective ordinances of secession that slavery was the primary reason for their separation; and except for all the orders by the Southern states ordering officers commanding African American troops to be hanged for ‘inciting slave insurrection’, and except for the orders returning said African American troops to a state of “servitude”….
“Facts are stubborn things.” - John Adams.
Welcome to [our] nightmare. We think you’re gonna like it. We think you’re gonna feel right at home. - A. Cooper, 1973
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:04:27pm |
re: #235 Archimedes
Yes, there are viewpoints. Booth thought Lincoln extreme.
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Miss Molly Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:10:00pm |
Lincoln had flaws and failures and what President does not have flaws and failures. His leadership abilities were extraordinary. I wonder when we will ever have someone with the same abilities as President again.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:32:03pm |
re: #238 Miss Molly
Times call these people forth.
Except, pray for our country, because if we do not deserve someone like Lincoln, I don’t think we will get him.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 12, 2009 12:46:00pm |
“Many thanks for the good wishes, Lizards.”
-My best Lincoln impression.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 12, 2009 1:48:17pm |
We had a great time at HS group today with Lincoln. We had a birthday cake, we read the Gettysburg address, I had five boys enact the Black Hawk War gate scene as a skit, and we even played with Lincoln logs.
I had the kids write with charcoal pencils on the back of a shovel. It was a metal shovel, as I don’t have a wooden one, but I think I got my point across to them about how much they have and take for granted.
In all a great day; Abraham Lincoln moves me to tears in a way few politicians can, and if I can, he will touch the lives of my children as well.
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coloradobuff Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:18:00pm |
Happy Birthday to President Lincoln, and to my older brother, who lived 1954-1994, having passed away from cancer a little over 15 years ago. He also left a great legacy, with a wife, and two wonderful kids now in their 20s.
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medaura18586 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:19:28pm |
Powerline has an excellent series of posts paying tribute to (arguably) America’s greatest president.
Sorry, but he doesn’t hold a candle to Jefferson as far as I’m concerned. But nevertheless a great president.
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medaura18586 Thu, Feb 12, 2009 2:19:51pm |
re: #245 medaura18586
meant to indent the first sentence…
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Cato Thu, Feb 12, 2009 3:34:58pm |
I hate this Lincoln was the greatest meme. WASHINGTON represents everything that is great about this country, personally, intellectually and stylistically. Washington, you hear, Washington. Napoleon on his deathbed said he could not be that luminous figure that is Washington. He could have been coronated, but refused. He stopped rebellion against the new government without a word, just by wiping his glasses. He is Cincinatus writ large. Washington — he created the soul of this nation.
Lincoln did what was necessary. But he lacked the fortitude of a Churchill.
If I were to list my politcal heros he would come in fourth or fifth. Not bad, but NOT WASHINGTON!
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Cato Thu, Feb 12, 2009 3:37:40pm |
Change the word “fortitude” to “foresight” in the foregoing. Lincoln did have the fortitude of a Churchill.
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freedombilly Thu, Feb 12, 2009 6:02:43pm |
I am a little late to the party, but here is a big happy birthday to a visionary politician from Illinois who actually became a visionary politician from Illinois before he was labeled a visionary politician from Illinois.
Happy Birthday Abe!
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Cygnus Thu, Feb 12, 2009 6:11:08pm |
re: #6 simonml
America’s great President? What about Barack Obama (PBUH)?
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No, it was Jimmy Carter.
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Cygnus Thu, Feb 12, 2009 6:12:27pm |
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yochanan Thu, Feb 12, 2009 7:02:59pm |
DIVERSITY
Douglas paid tribute to Lincoln as a “kind, amiable, and intelligent gentleman, a good citizen and an honorable opponent,” but expressed his disagreement with Lincoln’s June 16 speech to the Illinois Republican convention that had named him its candidate for Douglas’s seat. According to Douglas, Lincoln’s assertion that the nation could not exist “half slave and half free” was inconsistent with the “diversity” in domestic institutions that was “the great safeguard of our liberties.” Then as now, “diversity” was a shibboleth hiding an evil institution that could not be defended on its own terms.
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Optimizer Thu, Feb 12, 2009 8:17:07pm |
re: #81 Taqiyyotomist
I was just wondering…what percentage of Americans think that Benjamin Franklin was president? I bet the number is up around 52% or so.
Oh, crap! I guess I need to change my avatar… [Just kidding. Hey - Franklin was WAY more important to the history of not only the US, but also the world, than most presidents.]
Here’s my pet peeve on Lincoln’s Day. We have this wall that runs down an entire hallway at work dedicated to “Black History Month”. I’ve heard that one of the reasons they do this in February is that Lincoln’s birthday is in that month. The thing is, as you move down the hallway, paintings depicting slaves on boats, or on plantations suddenly give way to pictures of free (sometimes former) slaves. One day they were slaves, next day they were free. (Nothing to see here, folks!)
So there is NO mention of how these folks happened to become free, and so the most important person in the history of American blacks, Abe Lincoln, does not appear at all. There is no mention of the Civil War, or the hundreds of thousands of Northern troops (mostly white) who fought it.
So I looked to see if there was a SINGLE white person pictured on the WHOLE WALL. Lo, and behold! I found a white guy in ONE photo. He was sitting behind Rosa Parks on a bus (I guess he’s OK because he illustrates the evilness of white folks).
I’m always tempted to put up a sign that says, “NO WHITES ALLOWED,” but I’m a chicken and figure it’s not worth the possibility of getting in trouble. Well, at least next month should be better. I’m sure they’ll put up a wall for “Irish-American History Month”, it being the month with St. Patty’s Day & all. They’ll probably put up photos of the Potato Famine, the trip over, and of Kennedy, Reagan, & other prominent Americans of Irish descent, right?
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JakeSpiderMonkey Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:03:40am |
Re: 95 Laxmatt1984:
Last night on the Rusty Humphreys show, RH said George Washington was the best president of all time for the things he DID NOT DO (Ex. Refusing to have a crown to be “King of America”. ) Can you imagine if BHO was King?
Anyway, Happy Birthday President Lincoln! It’s too bad you hear CNN say questions like: Was Abe Lincoln gay? Did he suffer Depression? And all of those kooky things! He is human just like us, he was a (R), and he stood for conservative values, including locking up news reporters back then that questioned his intentions in a harsh way.
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