Founder of Islamist TV Channel Arrested in New York for Beheading Wife

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The founder and CEO of Bridges TV, a popular Muslim channel carried by many cable networks, has been arrested in Buffalo, New York, for beheading his wife.

Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband — an influential member of the local Muslim community — reported her death to police Thursday.

Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder.

“He came to the police station at 6:20 p.m. [Thursday] and told us that she was dead,” Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said late this morning.

Muzzammil Hassan told police that his wife was at his business, Bridges TV, on Thorn Avenue in the village. Officers went to that location and discovered her body.

Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

(Hat tip: Kisan.)

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545 comments
1 Outrider  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:10:08am

yeah, that tends to be viewed as a crime here in the USA

2 rightside  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:10:16am

Awaiting the N.O.W. press conference in 3...2..1...

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:10:32am

What did she do? Show her ankle?

4 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:10:36am

What a way to celebrate Valentine's Day............
*my mind reels*

5 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:10:57am

Cool!
/

6 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:11:17am
“He came to the police station at 6:20 p.m. [Thursday] and told us that she was dead,” Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said late this morning.

WOW! That's the sort of thing they do in Jordan- show up and report the murder themselves. In Jordan, it reduces the sentence if they're even prosecuted. Is he Jordanian?

7 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:11:35am

When they cuffed him were his fists clenched?

8 Peacekeeper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:11:38am

Hassan chop.

9 phil flavin  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:11:51am

In the immortal words of Charlie Brown, good grief!

10 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:11:57am

Maybe he'll claim she fell down. And the coffee table had very sharp edges.......
/

11 Ceemack  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:12:26am
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.


Yeah, beheading his wife will do that for sure.

He couldn't have just said "I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you"?

12 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:12:30am
13 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:12:31am
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

FAIL

[anything more would get me deleted]

14 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:12:56am

What part of "positive light" did he not understand?

15 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:12:57am

re: #10 LGoPs

Maybe he'll claim she fell down. And the coffee table had very sharp edges.......
/

Or another case of Spontaneous Decapitation.

16 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:12:58am

Why second degree?

17 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:10am

I imagine he's expecting the congratulatory handshake then mandatory slap on the wrist he'd get from police in any Islamic country.

18 BruxellesBlog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:12am

I'm sure it is just a cultural misunderstanding

19 Nutmeg  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:14am

She was in the process of divorcing him. I think the "get out" date was today.

20 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:16am
Authorities say Aasiya Hassan recently had filed for divorce from her husband.

So it was an honor killing.

21 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:23am

And the surprise here is what?

22 rightside  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:32am

re: #8 Peacekeeper


That. is. good.

23 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:36am

Way to build those bridges, Hassan. Lock him up and throw away the key.

24 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:44am

Now now, it's a cultural thing, ya know?
/

25 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:48am

Creepy! Sharia is already here

26 Gella  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:13:56am

so he kills his wife and set free? weird

27 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:14:10am

what was her crime?
She accidentally looked at him wrong?
She accidentally revealed a little ankle?

28 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:14:32am

re: #20 Sharmuta

So it was an honor killing.

Was it premeditated?

29 obscured by clouds  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:14:33am

If he did it on the air it would be "Islamic reality programming."

30 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:14:40am

the mind reels ....

31 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:14:57am

re: #16 MandyManners

Because he didn't give her 100 lashes first.

32 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:15:10am
Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder

.

Second degree?

Muzzamil: "I don't know what happened, officer. I told her that the falafel wasn't warm enough and I shook her to get her attention ........and her head fell off. Can you believe it?"
/

33 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:15:19am

re: #16 MandyManners

Why second degree?

Hopefully that's openers.

34 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:15:26am

re: #26 Gella

so he kills his wife and set free? weird

He's not free. Did you read the story?

35 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:15:28am

re: #25 winston06

Creepy! Sharia is already here

No, it isn't. He was arrested and he's going to jail for a long time.

36 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:15:31am

re: #28 MandyManners

Was it premeditated?

That's what investigators will have to determine.

37 Peacekeeper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:15:55am

Remember when "getting head" meant something good?

38 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:03am

Is it second degree because it's classified as domestic violence?

39 MrBill  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:03am

If this same behavior was shown by someone from any other group, it would be reported as a heinous, brutal, subhuman, act.

Watch the MSM try to disguise this one.

40 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:17am
"Obviously, this is the worst form of domestic violence possible," Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III said today.

Obviously, that is one of the most stupid comments I have ever read coming from a District Attorney.

This is a form of "domestic violence?" Looks like cold blooded murder to me.

41 lookingup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:20am

I cannot comment on this is such a way that it wouldn't be my last post.

42 stuiec  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:21am

Buffalo... Buffalo... wasn't that in the news recently for some other horrific event?

Oh, yes -- the inexplicable crash of a commuter plane on approach to the airport, at about 2,500 feet in altitude and with no indication of anything wrong with the plane and no indication from the cockpit that there was any trouble on board.

Is it paranoid to imagine that someone might have been waiting near the airport's approach path with, say, a shoulder-fired antiaircraft rocket?

43 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:35am

re: #16 MandyManners

Why second degree?

Probably because they believe it wasn't premeditated.

44 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:42am

re: #28 MandyManners

Was it premeditated?

Nah! Sudden Rage Syndrome.
/

45 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:43am

re: #13 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

EPIC FAIL

[anything more would get me deleted]

FTFY!

46 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:46am

re: #36 Sharmuta

That's what investigators will have to determine.

How many people have the necessary weapons just lying around?

47 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:53am

re: #16 MandyManners

Why second degree?

My question as well. Perhaps one of our lizard attorneys can shed some light. It would seem to me that if she filed for divorce, and he killed her after she told him, there might be some premeditation there. Unless, I guess, he "went crazy" the moment she told him?

Dunno.

48 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:55am

re: #42 stuiec

Buffalo... Buffalo... wasn't that in the news recently for some other horrific event?

Oh, yes -- the inexplicable crash of a commuter plane on approach to the airport, at about 2,500 feet in altitude and with no indication of anything wrong with the plane and no indication from the cockpit that there was any trouble on board.

Is it paranoid to imagine that someone might have been waiting near the airport's approach path with, say, a shoulder-fired antiaircraft rocket?

Yes.

49 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:17:03am

re: #37 Peacekeeper

*whack*

50 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:17:49am

re: #43 Charles

Probably because they believe it wasn't premeditated.

He just snapped and chopped off her head?!

51 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:00am

re: #16 MandyManners

Why second degree?

/depending on the State, first degree requires a Grand Jury

52 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:07am

So ,hmmm, not premeditated, he just happened to have a sword or very large knife handy.

53 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:10am

Love Islamic Style!
A new hit on Bridges TV portraying the family values of Islam!

//

54 Russ Dill  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:16am

Holy f---. They say life imitates art but thats a bunch of bull. The Law & Order episode right now is how Jews attacked hispanics and killed a Muslim because she was pregnant. Right. How about life imitates life.

55 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:18am

re: #26 Gella

so he kills his wife and set free? weird

WTH did you get that idea?

56 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:27am

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

What part of "positive light" did he not understand?

In the muslim world, it would appear he understood perfectly.... that would be viewed positively.

57 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:29am

Seriously, though - what a freak this guy is. Somebody better tell him that this sort of thing won't do much to build bridges of trust with the west, and certainly makes the R.O.P. look pretty bad.

58 GFinOaktown  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:40am

re: #16 MandyManners

Because he only killed a women. According to the Sharia courts in Buffalo, it's 2nd degree and since they'll need four witnesses to convict, he'll walk in a week.

59 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:18:58am
"She had an order of protection that had him out of the home as of Friday the 6th [of February]," Benz said.

Sad.
She knew he was a creep and wanted to get away from him. that's not allowed in Islam.

60 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:19:02am

re: #42 stuiec

With out any proof of your statement, yes.

61 BruxellesBlog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:19:04am
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

He first tried "Brick Walls TV" but that didn't work out too well.

62 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:19:09am

re: #50 MandyManners

He just snapped and chopped off her head?!

It is my understanding that that's about how it goes, yes.

63 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:19:13am

re: #4 LGoPs

What a way to celebrate Valentine's Day............
*my mind reels*

He should have waited a month for Steak & BJ Day.

seriously...words fail me

64 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:19:14am

re: #47 subsailor68

My question as well. Perhaps one of our lizard attorneys can shed some light. It would seem to me that if she filed for divorce, and he killed her after she told him, there might be some premeditation there. Unless, I guess, he "went crazy" the moment she told him?

Dunno.

He knew something was up--the RO booted him out of his house a week ago today.

65 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:19:24am

re: #15 karmic_inquisitor

Or another case of Spontaneous Decapitation.

Very common occurence of course....people's heads just kind of fall off.......
The crazy mishaps and pratfalls that happen to those poor Mohammedens. Go figure........
/

66 ironbill  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:19:36am

Remember...

ISLAM RESPECTS WOMEN!

(and don't forget it or I'll f#@*%$#^ KILL YOU)

67 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:19:40am

re: #54 Russ Dill

Holy f---. They say life imitates art but thats a bunch of bull. The Law & Order episode right now is how Jews attacked hispanics and killed a Muslim because she was pregnant. Right. How about life imitates life.

That kind of thing is exactly why I stopped watching that putrid excuse for a TV drama years ago.

68 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:19:44am

re: #42 stuiec

Buffalo... Buffalo... wasn't that in the news recently for some other horrific event?

Oh, yes -- the inexplicable crash of a commuter plane on approach to the airport, at about 2,500 feet in altitude and with no indication of anything wrong with the plane and no indication from the cockpit that there was any trouble on board.

Is it paranoid to imagine that someone might have been waiting near the airport's approach path with, say, a shoulder-fired antiaircraft rocket?

the launch signature from those is rather dramatic: you can't hide them, and someone would have noticed. if not, the terminal signature is unmistakable, so either way, short of conspiracy theory, the fact will come out if that's the cause.

69 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:03am

re: #46 MandyManners

How many people have the necessary weapons just lying around?

Check your kitchen knife drawer.

I must have 4 or 5 that are more than adequate. My fish filleter being my primary selection.

70 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:04am

re: #43 Charles

Probably because they believe it wasn't premeditated.

Except that it happened at his workplace.

So everyone who is at work right now - look around you.

What could you use that is in reach to decapitate a coworker?

Or was it "bring your cutlery to work day" at the office?

71 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:09am

re: #16 MandyManners

Why second degree?

Depends upon if it was premeditated or in the heat of the moment. That's for the detectives to determine.

It'll be second degree if it is determined to be non-premeditated, or first degree if it is determined to be premeditated.

72 Reluctant Democrat  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:09am

Sweet Jesus! In America!

She filed for divorce and had an order of protection against him.

The wrath of the wronged Islamist radical is no match for our puny system.

When is someone in power going to speak out against this?

73 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:24am

re: #46 MandyManners

How many people have the necessary weapons just lying around?

anyone with a large kitchen knife qualifies

74 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:28am

re: #51 Killian Bundy

/depending on the State, first degree requires a Grand Jury

I thought that the charges were based on premeditation. Can they pursue First Degree charges later through a grand jury if that's the requirement in New York?

75 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:28am

re: #58 GFinOaktown

Because he only killed a women. According to the Sharia courts in Buffalo, it's 2nd degree and since they'll need four witnesses to convict, he'll walk in a week.

What Sharia courts in Buffalo?

76 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:33am

I'm sure he is a "moderate muslim".

77 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:42am
"Obviously, this is the worst form of domestic violence possible," Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III said today.

Ya think?

78 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:42am

re: #38 MandyManners

Is it second degree because it's classified as domestic violence?

No. It has to do with whether the murder was premeditated or not.

79 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:21:03am

re: #70 karmic_inquisitor

Except that it happened at his workplace.

So everyone who is at work right now - look around you.

What could you use that is in reach to decapitate a coworker?

Or was it "bring your cutlery to work day" at the office?

I have ninja weapons hidden around the office, just in case.

80 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:21:04am

re: #64 MandyManners

He knew something was up--the RO booted him out of his house a week ago today.

Hmm. It sounds like premeditation perhaps. If he knew for a week or more, then decided to commit an honor killing, and violated an RO in the process....how isn't that at least potentially first degree?

Again, any lizard lawyers here?

81 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:21:11am

re: #58 GFinOaktown

Because he only killed a women. According to the Sharia courts in Buffalo, it's 2nd degree and since they'll need four witnesses to convict, he'll walk in a week.

WHAT sharia courts? There are NONE in America. Stop with that nonsense, please.

82 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:21:18am

I wonder how well this guy knows the Lackawanna Six?

83 lookingup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:21:18am

Cutting off heads is a traditional form of punishment, not to exclude stoning.

84 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:21:30am

Yikes!

85 phil flavin  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:21:30am

re: #79 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I have ninja weapons hidden around the office, just in case.

I thought I was the only one!

86 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:21:31am

re: #70 karmic_inquisitor

Except that it happened at his workplace.

So everyone who is at work right now - look around you.

What could you use that is in reach to decapitate a coworker?

Or was it "bring your cutlery to work day" at the office?

well, i usually w*rk in a hospital, so.......

87 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:21:43am

These guys really have issues with women.

88 Kragar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:22:05am

re: #43 Charles

Probably because they believe it wasn't premeditated.

Personally, I say bullshit. Their only holy book is real big on beheadings. I'm willing to bet he thought about this long and hard.

89 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:22:28am

re: #87 jcbunga

These guys really have issues with women.

What was your first clue? The plastic bags?
/

90 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:22:42am

Wouldn't a kitchen knife require some sawing?

Oh, gosh. I cannot believe I asked that.

91 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:23:11am

There was a great post, I think yesterday, where we were urged to do everything we can to empower muslim women. If they can somehow stand up to this depraved insanity, it would be a blow to the rampant misogyny in the muslim culture.

92 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:23:13am

re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Personally, I say bullshit. Their only holy book is real big on beheadings. I'm willing to bet he thought about this long and hard.

..at least during the 5-10 minutes it took him to finish.

Unless he went Ninja.

93 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:23:16am

re: #74 MandyManners

I thought that the charges were based on premeditation. Can they pursue First Degree charges later through a grand jury if that's the requirement in New York?

I'm not sure about New York, but that's the way it works in Minnesota.

/you can always add, subtract, upgrade or downgrade criminal charges

94 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:23:17am

re: #87 jcbunga

These guys really have issues with women.

I think it has more to do with the way they view their manhood (or, lack thereof).

95 deWildcats  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:23:18am

Islam - it's all about the love

96 GFinOaktown  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:23:31am

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

Joke. Sarcasm.

97 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:23:37am

Wow, the "Religion of Peace" strikes again!

98 Pyrocles  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:23:41am

Bad day here in Buffalo, damn...

99 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:23:50am
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

Here's the website for Bridges TV

Looks nice. They even have a charming and informative selection of videos supporting Iran, Hamas, Gitmo prisoners and baby killer Samir Kuntar.

A true bridge of understanding.

100 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:23:59am

re: #70 karmic_inquisitor

Except that it happened at his workplace.

So everyone who is at work right now - look around you.

What could you use that is in reach to decapitate a coworker?

Or was it "bring your cutlery to work day" at the office?

We have knives in the kitchen, and I've worked many places where you can find a machete in the back room.

101 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:24:01am

Muzzammil Hassan, bringing Sharia to a station near you.

102 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:24:13am

re: #93 Killian Bundy

I'm not sure about New York, but that's the way it works in Minnesota.

/you can always add, subtract, upgrade or downgrade criminal charges

That's what I thought. If it was premeditated, I hope they figure it out and charge accordingly.

103 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:24:31am

When will CAIR jump in?

104 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:24:32am
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

Well, THAT ship has sailed.

105 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:24:43am

re: #96 GFinOaktown

Joke. Sarcasm.

Then use a sarcasm tag at the end of your comments

"/" "/s" "sarcasm"

Try it.

106 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:24:43am
107 ironbill  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:24:45am

CAIR has issued a press release noting that we should respect the murdered woman's memory in this time of great sadness and work together to eliminate the scourge of islamophobia.

108 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:24:47am

re: #99 Kenneth

Here's the website for Bridges TV

Looks nice. They even have a charming and informative selection of videos supporting Iran, Hamas, Gitmo prisoners and baby killer Samir Kuntar.

A true bridge of understanding.

It does help me understand islam, but not in the way this bastard intended.

109 JohnnyReb  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:24:47am

re: #67 eschew_obfuscation

That kind of thing is exactly why I stopped watching that putrid excuse for a TV drama years ago.

I stop at our VFW every Tuesday afternoon to see the WWII vets that come in for a beer and they all watch that stupid show. I hate it, but I don't have the heart to tell them that.

110 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:13am

because someone has to say it:

ROPMA!

111 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:21am

re: #102 MandyManners

That's what I thought. If it was premeditated, I hope they figure it out and charge accordingly.

It said 2nd degree. In New York is that premeditated?

112 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:21am
113 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #103 MandyManners

When will CAIR jump in?

They won't have to, he already took care of her.
/

114 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #93 Killian Bundy

I'm not sure about New York, but that's the way it works in Minnesota.

/you can always add, subtract, upgrade or downgrade criminal charges

That seems to be fairly typical. I suspect they're starting with second degree until detectives determine otherwise. If it is determined to be premeditated, it'll be first degree PDQ.

115 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:29am

re: #24 vagabond trader

Now now, it's a cultural thing, ya know?
/

Someday, this is going to be used as a defense - the Koran says to do this to defend my honor and I have the right to practice my religion.
Whether it works or not will depend on who 0bama puts on the Supreme Court.

116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:30am

re: #106 So?

Wrong, just wrong.

117 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:45am

re: #90 MandyManners

I would say that the "sawing" - if it could be proved - would support a first degree charge.

118 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:46am
119 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:46am

re: #103 MandyManners

When will CAIR jump in?

I'm sure CAIR will be "afraid of anti-Muslim backlash".

120 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:49am

re: #94 pink freud

I think it has more to do with the way they view their manhood (or, lack thereof).

That's probably correct.

I recall again how the Marines used loud speakers to disparage their manhood enough to inspire banzai charges...early in the war.

121 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:50am
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

I can feel the positive light, can't you?

122 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:25:52am
123 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:26:02am

re: #35 Charles

No, it isn't. He was arrested and he's going to jail for a long time.

But in the minds of many Muslims in the west, Sharia IS here, even if our corrupt infidel courts don't recognize it.

124 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:26:04am

I'm about to start dinging down stupid, repulsive jokes about this vile act of misogyny.

125 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:26:13am

re: #79 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I have ninja weapons hidden around the office, just in case.

Gotta keep those throwing stars velcroed to the underside of your desk.

126 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:26:18am
127 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:26:23am

Sad thing is, this sort of mindless brutality is all too common in areas where Muslims are a majority, or even a sizable minority. I'd be interested, for example, to see what the stats are for Wayne County, MI, and other areas where Muslims have settled in large numbers, for domestic violence.

128 Sheepdogess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:26:39am
Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder.

Why not first degree murder?

129 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:26:42am

Oh
My
Gawd

130 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:26:46am

re: #111 Creeping Eruption

It said 2nd degree. In New York is that premeditated?

From everything I know (and, that would not fill a fairy's bra), premeditation is an element of first degree.

131 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:26:59am

Happy Valentines Day from the RoP.

132 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:27:10am

as far as I'm concerned it's premeditated simply because murdering your wife is always an option with Islam

133 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:27:15am

CAIR Endorsement of Bridges TV:

Request Bridges TV on Comcast Basic Cable

October 10, 2007

Many of you have been enjoying Taraweeh from Mecca, Ramadan Around the World and Prominent Scholars on Bridges TV, available FREE on Verizon FiOS TV channel 248.

Bridges TV is the only 24 hour Muslim TV channel in the U.S. that is promoting understanding between Muslim and non-Muslim Americans. (To get Verizon FiOS TV, call 888-GET-FiOS)

Comcast Cable wants to hear from you to determine the demand for Bridges TV in the U.S.

ACTION REQUESTED: Please call Comcast Cable at[no phone numbers allowed] or visit [Link: www.MuslimsOnBasic.com...] and ask them to carry Bridges TV on their basic channel line-up.

134 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:27:25am

re: #118 ploome hineni

here is hubby

What a gentle looking soul.
/

Muzzammil Hassan came to America from Pakistan 25 years ago. He became a successful banker in Buffalo, New York, near the famed Niagara Falls.

While he and his wife were happy to be in the United States, they were upset by the negative perceptions of Muslims, and particularly how this perception might affect their children.

135 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:27:35am

re: #70 karmic_inquisitor

Except that it happened at his workplace.

So everyone who is at work right now - look around you.

What could you use that is in reach to decapitate a coworker?

Or was it "bring your cutlery to work day" at the office?

Swiss Army knife - too small.
Have to use a network cable as a garrote.
/NO, I wouldn't. I'm not Muslim

136 Dianna  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:27:50am

I have a problem with "second degree murder" and "beheading."

137 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:27:53am

re: #124 Sharmuta

I'm about to start dinging down stupid, repulsive jokes about this vile act of misogyny.

I already have.

138 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #90 MandyManners

Wouldn't a kitchen knife require some sawing?

Oh, gosh. I cannot believe I asked that.

Remember Mr. Pearl (of blessed memory), and what they did with him. It's awful.

139 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:01am

re: #128 Sheepdogess

Why not first degree murder?

/give 'em a little time to investigate

140 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:09am

re: #106 So? For G-d's sake someone DIED. Sheesh.

141 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:11am

re: #130 MandyManners

From everything I know (and, that would not fill a fairy's bra), premeditation is an element of first degree.

Mandy, reading your comments, I cannot but help to smile no matter how shitty a day.

142 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:11am

re: #49 MandyManners

Don't encourage him!

143 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:14am
144 Summer Seale  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:23am

I'm fairly sure that some leftists will be horrified, and yet still find it fascinating as an expression of a particular cultural "quirk" which they will quickly dismiss as being equal to wife-beating in our own society. And then they'll don a Hijab or some other similar form of "expression of solidarity" and blame the entire thing on "persecution" of Muslims in the West.

A week later, they'll be absolutely confident in assuring us that Islam really has nothing to do with beheadings, and that these are simply isolated incidents which, shocking as they are, don't represent any sort of tendency within that general culture.

And then, twenty years from now, Al-Jazeera will throw a birthday party for the man and leftists will say that he just had been persecuted all along and it really wasn't that big a deal to begin with.

145 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:26am

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Happy Valentines Day from the RoP.

And Merry Friday the 13th.

146 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:26am
147 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:32am

Anyone know where the funding for Bridges TV comes from?

148 CMinMN  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:42am

He should be Obama's first pardon. He would be demonstrating an unclenching of our fist and desire to reach out to the Islamic community.

149 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:43am

WAS HE A "MODERATE"?

150 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:50am

re: #124 Sharmuta

I'm about to start dinging down stupid, repulsive jokes about this vile act of misogyny.

i'm already there.

151 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:51am

re: #128 Sheepdogess

Why not first degree murder?

They may not have sufficient evidence to convict on first degree murder.

152 Diamond Bullet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:51am

Sorry, cutting someone's head off isn't just something that happens, even in a fit of rage or crime of passion. This is not "I lost it and stabbed her" territory. He had to know what he was doing and why he was doing it.

153 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:54am

re: #118 ploome hineni

Reach out? Reach out and kill you. UGH.

154 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:28:58am

Some thread topics are just not fodder for humor.

155 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:00am

re: #143 BruxellesBlog

No funny. Mandy was being serious, you're being disgusting.

156 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:03am
157 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:06am

re: #135 Kosh's Shadow

Swiss Army knife - too small.
Have to use a network cable as a garrote.
/NO, I wouldn't. I'm not Muslim

So going wireless could be seen as an attempt to disarm the workforce ...

158 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:21am

Bet that CAIR endorsement disappears.

159 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:26am

New York Penal Law Section 125.25 - Murder In The Second Degree.

160 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:37am

re: #137 MandyManners

I already have.

I guess I need to do that once in awhile as well. Folks who've read my posts in the past know I tend to try to find the humorous side of things.....

In this case there isn't one. Not one!

161 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:37am

re: #134 Bobibutu

What a gentle looking soul.
/

Muzzammil Hassan came to America from Pakistan 25 years ago. He became a successful banker in Buffalo, New York, near the famed Niagara Falls.

While he and his wife were happy to be in the United States, they were upset by the negative perceptions of Muslims, and particularly how this perception might affect their children.

Where was that concern when he killed her?

162 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:38am
163 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:40am
164 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:44am

re: #78 Honorary Yooper

No. It has to do with whether the murder was premeditated or not.


Actually it has to do with whether they can PROVE premeditation or not.

Unless they can show that he made plans to do this and if there are no witnesses to testify his actual demeanor before, during and after then it would be a tough case. No death penalty in NY anyway so the penalty'll be about the same. (yeah,yeah I know they HAVE a death penalty but the last time it was actually carried out was what the 70's?)

165 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:53am
166 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:29:53am
167 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:03am

Ok, that's all my perverted mind could come up with on the spur (/) of the moment. I apologize profusely, if some of you are offended.

168 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:04am

re: #144 Summer

This will absolutely be billed by leftists as an act of tragic, domestic violence that has nothing to do with Islam. You can bet CAIR is already working on it.

169 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:12am

This is America for crapsakes! They need to make an example of this murderer. I don't know if they were citizens or not, but no American woman should fear an "honor" beheading. Not in America. Not here.

170 vagabond trader  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:20am

re: #115 Kosh's Shadow

It already is used in country's that are predominantly ROP.

171 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:22am

re: #166 LGoPs

This is really sick but I just had the thought that here in America we have 1-800-FLOWERS.......

Under this guys belief system they would need to establish a 1-800-HEADSOFF.......

Sorry.....forgot to add ///////

172 ironbill  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:23am

I wonder if Ingrid Mattson will care to elaborate?

http://macdonald.hartsem.edu/mattson.htm

She's big on the whole "Islam is for women" line. Even gave an invocation at the Dem convention

173 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:26am
174 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:35am

re: #126 Amer-I-Can

Why did you quote?!

175 SummerSong  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:42am

To the moon, Alice!
To the...er....um...

ROPMA

176 Haole  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:42am

There's nothing funny about this.

177 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:54am

re: #149 Taqiyyotomist

WAS HE A "MODERATE"?

Probably promoted himself as such. But look at his TV channel website. It's only superficially-moderate. Peal back the veil & it's hard core Islamist.

178 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:31:12am

re: #176 Haole

There's nothing funny about this.

THANK YOU!

179 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:31:23am

re: #90 MandyManners

Wouldn't a kitchen knife require some sawing?

Oh, gosh. I cannot believe I asked that.

do you really want to know?

180 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:31:27am

re: #143 BruxellesBlog

Asshole.

Catch a fucking clue: DV is no joking matter.

181 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:31:31am

re: #144 Summer

All cultures are equal. There is no culture better or worse than any other. There are no moral absolutes. Right and wrong resides in the eye of the beholder.

/relativism at its best

182 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:31:43am

CAIR will issue a press release saying that this "does not portray Muslims in a positive light" and caution everyone against "backlash."

183 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:31:43am

re: #125 karmic_inquisitor

Gotta keep those throwing stars velcroed to the underside of your desk.

What if you're caught away from your desk?

184 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:31:45am

re: #161 MandyManners

Where was that concern when he killed her?

and where were/are the children?

185 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:31:47am
186 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:32:05am

re: #172 ironbill

I wonder if Ingrid Mattson will care to elaborate?

http://macdonald.hartsem.edu/mattson.htm

She's big on the whole "Islam is for women" line. Even gave an invocation at the Dem convention

You watch - it's just a fluke, a freak incident, and bears no relation to certain undeniable facts of the perp's ideology, background, or culture; this is what she'll say, assuming she says anything.

187 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:32:19am
188 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:32:19am

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

*whack*

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz?

189 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:32:28am

re: #185 Opinionated

What the fuck is wrong with people today. THIS IS NOT FUNNY!

190 kafir lover  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:32:43am

re: #118 ploome hineni

Here's the victim


here is hubby
191 lobo91  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:00am

I can't see how cutting someone's head off could be anything but premeditated.

You might shoot, stab, or club someone "in the heat of the moment," but the idea that you could exert the effort required to saw their friggin' head off without intending to do so is beyond belief.

192 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:11am

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

What the fuck is wrong with people today. THIS IS NOT FUNNY!

Hear! hear! - nothing funny about his at all. This is f*cking murder, people, not funny at all.

193 bolivar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:15am

re: #150 redc1c4

i'm already there.

Ditto, there is no putting up with that crap. This is serious and not to be joked about. We are under attack - the death of a thousand cuts and nobody seems to want to take it seriously. Somebody will try to equivocate this and diminish it - that is absolute bs! Murder is murder and this guy should get the max. It is premeditated - nobody chops off a persons head without some forethought. This sickens me and infuriates me at the same time.

194 Dianna  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:16am

re: #70 karmic_inquisitor

Except that it happened at his workplace.

So everyone who is at work right now - look around you.

What could you use that is in reach to decapitate a coworker?

Or was it "bring your cutlery to work day" at the office?

The paper cutter? It's certainly got a strong enough back, and it's sharp.

But I'd have to remove it from the board, and that would require a screwdriver; that's in the toolbox in the closet...man, this would take a while.

195 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:19am

re: #187 So?

Your fucking apology really meant something didn't it? You come right back with another smart assed remark.

196 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:20am

re: #167 So?

Ok, that's all my perverted mind could come up with on the spur (/) of the moment. I apologize profusely, if some of you are offended.

That filter that resides between your brain and your mouth is there for a reason.

197 cartoonboy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:21am

I'm feeling the "positive light".

198 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:24am

re: #172 ironbill

I wonder if Ingrid Mattson will care to elaborate?

http://macdonald.hartsem.edu/mattson.htm

She's big on the whole "Islam is for women" line. Even gave an invocation at the Dem convention

She's right. Islam means "submission" & submission is for women in the ROP.

199 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:29am
200 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:30am

I feel like I did when I saw Pulp Fiction and something awful happened. I knew it was wrong to laugh but I couldn't stop laughing.

Youtube Video
201 Arbalest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:37am

A good old-fashioned multiple stabbing, with the nearest kitchen knife, or bludgeoning seems to be possibly an act of spontaneous rage.

But decapitation seems to be a clearly pre-meditated act, certainly for a society that does not carry axes, swords or other long edged weapons.

Then there's the information that M. Hassan might have been the subject of a restraining order, after being notified of divorce proceedings. There’s a few days involved here. Seems like motive and plenty of time to meditate . . . . . .

Upping the charge, to first-degree murder, seems appropriate.

202 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:41am

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

What the fuck is wrong with people today. THIS IS NOT FUNNY!

I just quoted you because I think that (along with Mandy's comments) needs to be said at least twice.

203 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:53am
Muzzammil Hassan told police that his wife was at his business, Bridges TV, on Thorn Avenue in the village. Officers went to that location and discovered her body.


He did it at the TV station.

204 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:33:58am
205 lookingup  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:34:06am

Maded the detective work easy: Beheaded wife, Muslim husband. hmmmmm OK I think this one is solved.

206 CMinMN  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:34:13am

Did he make a video for YouTube?

207 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:34:14am

re: #70 karmic_inquisitor

Except that it happened at his workplace.

So everyone who is at work right now - look around you.

What could you use that is in reach to decapitate a coworker?

Or was it "bring your cutlery to work day" at the office?


Around here it would have to be death by keyboard...

208 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:34:15am

re: #190 kafir lover

re: #118 ploome hineni

Here's the victim

Oh my goodness - she was beautiful. What a horrible story.

209 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:34:20am

The NY Code:

§ 125.25 Murder in the second degree.
A person is guilty of murder in the second degree when:
1. With intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the
death of such person or of a third person; except that in any
prosecution under this subdivision, it is an affirmative defense that:
(a) The defendant acted under the influence of extreme emotional
disturbance for which there was a reasonable explanation or excuse, the
reasonableness of which is to be determined from the viewpoint of a
person in the defendant's situation under the circumstances as the
defendant believed them to be. Nothing contained in this paragraph shall
constitute a defense to a prosecution for, or preclude a conviction of,
manslaughter in the first degree or any other crime; or
(b) The defendant's conduct consisted of causing or aiding, without
the use of duress or deception, another person to commit suicide.
Nothing contained in this paragraph shall constitute a defense to a
prosecution for, or preclude a conviction of, manslaughter in the second
degree or any other crime; or
2. Under circumstances evincing a depraved indifference to human life,
he recklessly engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of death to
another person, and thereby causes the death of another person; or
3. Acting either alone or with one or more other persons, he commits
or attempts to commit robbery, burglary, kidnapping, arson, rape in the
first degree, criminal sexual act in the first degree, sexual abuse in
the first degree, aggravated sexual abuse, escape in the first degree,
or escape in the second degree, and, in the course of and in furtherance
of such crime or of immediate flight therefrom, he, or another
participant, if there be any, causes the death of a person other than
one of the participants; except that in any prosecution under this
subdivision, in which the defendant was not the only participant in the
underlying crime, it is an affirmative defense that the defendant:
(a) Did not commit the homicidal act or in any way solicit, request,
command, importune, cause or aid the commission thereof; and
(b) Was not armed with a deadly weapon, or any instrument, article or
substance readily capable of causing death or serious physical injury
and of a sort not ordinarily carried in public places by law-abiding
persons; and
(c) Had no reasonable ground to believe that any other participant was
armed with such a weapon, instrument, article or substance; and
(d) Had no reasonable ground to believe that any other participant
intended to engage in conduct likely to result in death or serious
physical injury; or
4. Under circumstances evincing a depraved indifference to human life,
and being eighteen years old or more the defendant recklessly engages in
conduct which creates a grave risk of serious physical injury or death
to another person less than eleven years old and thereby causes the
death of such person; or
5. Being eighteen years old or more, while in the course of committing
rape in the first, second or third degree, criminal sexual act in the
first, second or third degree, sexual abuse in the first degree,
aggravated sexual abuse in the first, second, third or fourth degree, or
incest in the first, second or third degree, against a person less than
fourteen years old, he or she intentionally causes the death of such
person.
Murder in the second degree is a class A-I felony.

210 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:34:21am

I gotta' go before I have an absolute melt-down. Bye.

211 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:34:38am
212 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:34:41am

re: #190 kafir lover

re: #118 ploome hineni

Here's the victim

Sheesh. Talk about beauty and the beast.

213 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:34:52am

re: #204 So?

You're going to continue to leave snide remarks. Fuck you, stop it.

214 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:05am
215 tokyobk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:18am

I wonder psychologically how many Muslims will permit themselves to see the connection between the Sharia and violence to women and non-muslims.
ADIA MUBARAK
"This is sort of my calling. The only exposure they had about Islam was in the media or what they saw in Hollywood: Arab fanatics blowing up planes, hijacking planes."

She says she also feels obligated to dispel the perception that Muslim women are oppressed.

Another Bridges TV employee:


HADIA MUBARAK
"If you meet Muslim women, they are some of the most vocal, strongly opinionated women you will ever meet in your life. "

Hadia wears the hijab, even when she runs track, but she says the decision to wear it was hers and hers alone.
216 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:19am

re: #38 MandyManners

Second Degree means it is not premeditated.

217 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:26am

re: #191 lobo91

I can't see how cutting someone's head off could be anything but premeditated.

You might shoot, stab, or club someone "in the heat of the moment," but the idea that you could exert the effort required to saw their friggin' head off without intending to do so is beyond belief.

With the proper sharp bladed sword, one swipe is all it takes. Same "passion of the moment" as shooting a gun, swinging a club or stabbing someone.

Not saying it WASN'T premeditated mind you.

218 Summer Seale  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:26am

re: #168 WriterMom

This will absolutely be billed by leftists as an act of tragic, domestic violence that has nothing to do with Islam. You can bet CAIR is already working on it.


Yea. I know I skipped a couple of steps but I'm very tired. And I'm pretty sure that we can all fill them in for ourselves by now.

219 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:37am

re: #177 Kenneth

Probably promoted himself as such. But look at his TV channel website. It's only superficially-moderate. Peal back the veil & it's hard core Islamist.

That's what a moderate Muslim is - Islamicist on the inside, with a soft, outer shell of taqqiya.
Anything friendlier to the West is a heretic.

220 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:37am

re: #159 Killer Tomato

From your link...

The defendant acted under the influence of extreme emotional disturbance** for which there was a reasonable explanation or excuse, the reasonableness of which is to be determined from the viewpoint of a person in the defendant's situation under the circumstances as the defendant believed them to be. Nothing contained in this paragraph shall constitute a defense to a prosecution for, or preclude a conviction of, manslaughter in the first degree or any other crime;

** see "Islam"

221 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:38am

With apologies to Simon and Garfunkel and Buzzsaw


When you're dishonored, feeling small,
When panties cover your eyes, I will take them off;
I'm on your side. when times get rough
And friends just cant be found,

Like a bridge made to defend my honor
I will kill my wife
Like a bridge made to defend my honor
I will take her life

222 cartoonboy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:51am

We must cherish the varieties of different culture's marital traditions.

223 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:56am

re: #35 Charles

No, it isn't. He was arrested and he's going to jail for a long time.

The prosecution will need to exclude anyone who watched his "Bridges" show. Familiarity, even the false familiarity of TV viewing, is a legally valid cause for striking jurors.

If there are any Muslims in Buffalo who would vote to acquit just because he's Muslim and they feel like he's a friend and the trial is being conducted by kuffar, they'd most likely be fans of "Bridges".

224 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:35:58am

re: #216 jester6

Second Degree means it is not premeditated.

Not in New York, see my #209.

225 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:36:04am

re: #190 kafir lover

re: #118 ploome hineni

Here's the victim

Wow, she was really beautiful.

226 Opinionated  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:36:22am

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

What the fuck is wrong with people today. THIS IS NOT FUNNY!

What you find not funny is our commentary on a culture that is depraved.

Murder unfortunately occurs in all societies. This was a beheading. This was uniquely cultural.

The black humor you find offensive is a defense mechanism to the repulsion we feel.

227 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:36:24am

I don't think this is funny-and I don't think any of us think that this woman's death is funny. I think there is a difference between making fun of the bullsh*t claims that this guy was a 'moderate'-and laughing about that, the cognitive dissonance is just fine. I don't see anyone here joking about this poor woman having lost her life at the hands of her husband, the so-called moderate, looking to portray Islam in a good light, etc..

228 jcbunga  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:36:30am

What are these beasts doing in this country?

Who moves across the globe to promote "peace" and ends up doing this?

What do they contribute?

The West already had a 7th Century, and it was left behind in Europe. Beasts like this--and he is a beast--don't have to come here to do these things. Keep this evil on your own soil.

229 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:36:46am

re: #204 So?

Please stop. These kind of comments aren't appropriate at LGF, as they provide fodder for those who want to try to show we're something we are not.

230 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:36:47am

Did anyone catch the House vote?

/did any Republicans vote for the travesty?

231 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:36:55am

Look. I understand the impulse to joke about something so dark and evil. I do it sometimes too. But it's really not cool in this case. A woman was murdered in a truly horrible way, and there's nothing funny about it.

232 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:37:02am

re: #206 CMinMN

Did he make a video for YouTube Al Jazeera?

233 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:37:06am
234 shiplord kirel  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:37:14am

re: #190 kafir lover

re: #118 ploome hineni

Here's the victim

Note that your source, the local rag, merely mentions that he "worked at Bridges TV" and not that he was the founder and CEO.

235 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:37:19am

re: #226 Opinionated

What you find not funny is our commentary on a culture that is depraved.

Murder unfortunately occurs in all societies. This was a beheading. This was uniquely cultural.

The black humor you find offensive is a defense mechanism to the repulsion we feel.

Well, it appears that Charles doesn't feel your pain, because he is deleting these foul jokes.

You get it?

236 Dianna  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:37:53am

re: #162 ploome hineni

racist/bigot

/it's their culture

Their culture needs some work, then.

237 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:38:32am

re: #231 Charles

You may want to include that Second Degree Murder is considered premeditated in New York. I posted the text of the NYS Law in #209 for all to see.

238 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:38:40am

re: #102 MandyManners

That's what I thought. If it was premeditated, I hope they figure it out and charge accordingly.

They will. And know that even if the charge remains Murder in the 2nd, Hassan won't be getting out anytime soon. One thing Law & Order is accurate about is the penalty for Murder 2 in New York: Minimum 15-to-life, Maximum 25-to-life. This guy will get the max.

239 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:38:48am

re: #192 Guanxi88

Hear! hear! - nothing funny about his at all. This is f*cking murder, people, not funny at all.

You know it's not funny. However, many threads in the past have joked around about heads rolling when it occurred in distant muslim countries. No, such an act is barbaric, not funny, and I'm sad this woman had to live her life with such a shit, but that's what Islamists do. They consider it a right to behead. So, after hearing similar stories for the 1000th time...I say F-them. And I'll joke around if I please.

It seems CAIR doesn't care. why should I?

240 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:38:51am

re: #124 Sharmuta

I'm about to start dinging down stupid, repulsive jokes about this vile act of misogyny.

Agreed it's nothing to joke about but was it misogyny? Obviously he hated his wife but did he do it because he hated her as a woman or all women? Hard to tell given the religion he practiced.

Side note; does the rop hate women or are they just afraid of the power women have over them?

241 Opinionated  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:39:07am

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

Well, it appears that Charles doesn't feel your pain, because he is deleting these foul jokes.

You get it?

Charles can delete my post if he finds it offensive. It's his site. You can fuck off.

242 lobo91  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:39:28am

re: #217 sattv4u2

With the proper sharp bladed sword, one swipe is all it takes. Same "passion of the moment" as shooting a gun, swinging a club or stabbing someone.

If this were England in the Middle Ages, that might work.

However, most people in 21st century America don't walk around with swords handy, particularly at work.

243 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:39:49am

re: #239 So?

You know it's not funny. However, many threads in the past have joked around about heads rolling when it occurred in distant muslim countries. No, such an act is barbaric, not funny, and I'm sad this woman had to live her life with such a shit, but that's what Islamists do. They consider it a right to behead. So, after hearing similar stories for the 1000th time...I say F-them. And I'll joke around if I please.

It seems CAIR doesn't care. why should I?

BECAUSE YOU'RE FUCKING HUMAN?

Go to Kos. You took a wrong turn somewhere.

244 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:40:10am

re: #196 pink freud

That filter that resides between your brain and your mouth is there for a reason.

Sorry, my fingers got the best of me. My mouth had nothing to do with it.

245 bolivar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:40:10am

re: #231 Charles

Look. I understand the impulse to joke about something so dark and evil. I do it sometimes too. But it's really not cool in this case. A woman was murdered in a truly horrible way, and there's nothing funny about it.

Thank you Charles, to the point. This is not in the least funny.

246 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:41:04am

re: #201 Arbalest

Beheading may seem exotic to modern Western culture, but it's a pretty common concept in the Muslim world. Criminals are executed by beheading, the Koran has verses celebrating righteous beheadings, children play at beheading "bad guys", literature and pop culture is full of references to beheading.

247 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:41:06am

re: #237 Honorary Yooper

You may want to include that Second Degree Murder is considered premeditated in New York. I posted the text of the NYS Law in #209 for all to see.

Here's the link to the Laws of New York. Run a search for "Murder". It'll pull up the relevant sections (125.25 for Second Degree and 125.27 for First Degree).

248 dhg4  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:41:20am

re: #134 Bobibutu

While he and his wife were happy to be in the United States, they were upset by the negative perceptions of Muslims, and particularly how this perception might affect their children.

And murder won't (affect their children's perceptions)?

249 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:41:32am

I wonder if anyone is keeping score with these crimes here in the states....right off hand I can only think of the Texas guy that offed his daughters...are there more?

250 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:41:35am

re: #239 So?

You know it's not funny. However, many threads in the past have joked around about heads rolling when it occurred in distant muslim countries. No, such an act is barbaric, not funny, and I'm sad this woman had to live her life with such a shit, but that's what Islamists do. They consider it a right to behead. So, after hearing similar stories for the 1000th time...I say F-them. And I'll joke around if I please.

It seems CAIR doesn't care. why should I?

Yes, heads do roll in the Mideast - it's just part of the background levels of violence, ignorance, and barbarism that typify nations of the Ummah. When it happens here, on our own damned soil, it's a problem, its a serious f*cking problem.

You wanna crack jokes at the savage's expense, so much the better; I'll join you in a hearty laugh at evil, and will piss on these beasts with as much vigor as anyone else.

But the victim, there's no point in even attempting humor there.

251 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:41:36am

re: #247 Honorary Yooper

Here's the link to the Laws of New York. Run a search for "Murder". It'll pull up the relevant sections (125.25 for Second Degree and 125.27 for First Degree).

It would help if I linked it: Laws of New York.

252 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:42:24am

This is first degree murder. A beheading is not accomplished in one swift stroke of sudden fury. Premeditation does not have to be something planned for days. It just has to involve a conscious, deliberate decision to do something, and then, the actual doing.

253 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:42:30am

So, Collins and Specter promised to change their votes on Porkapalooza if the House stuffed the pork back in (which they reportedly did).

/the vote's coming up, think they've read it?

254 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:42:56am

re: #242 lobo91

If this were England in the Middle Ages, that might work.

However, most people in 21st century America don't walk around with swords handy, particularly at work.

Even if "at work" is a TV station devoted to Muslim culture and news? I know when I go into a place of business (lets say a Japanese Restaurant) there are all kinds of "cultural" icons on display, including long Bushido swords for "color"

255 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:43:01am
256 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:43:06am

I wonder how is co-worker feels about this:

HADIA MUBARAK
"This is sort of my calling. The only exposure they had about Islam was in the media or what they saw in Hollywood: Arab fanatics blowing up planes, hijacking planes."
She says she also feels obligated to dispel the perception that Muslim women are oppressed.
"If you meet Muslim women, they are some of the most vocal, strongly opinionated women you will ever meet in your life. "
257 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:43:26am

re: #246 Kenneth

Beheading may seem exotic to modern Western culture, but it's a pretty common concept in the Muslim world. Criminals are executed by beheading, the Koran has verses celebrating righteous beheadings, children play at beheading "bad guys", literature and pop culture is full of references to beheading.

it's typical with the narco-terrorists down in old Mexico nowadays as well....what a gruesome fad

258 Sheepdogess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:43:30am

Islam, Obama's "Family" religion.....

259 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:43:33am

re: #70 karmic_inquisitor

Except that it happened at his workplace.

So everyone who is at work right now - look around you.

What could you use that is in reach to decapitate a coworker?

Or was it "bring your cutlery to work day" at the office?

The workplace was an Islamist TV station. I would not be surprised to see "decorative" swords there. In many Muslim homes you will find decorative swords.

260 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:43:38am

OT ------

Frankenfienstien screws the pooch. BIG TIME!

Predator drones flown from base in Pakistan, U.S. lawmaker says

WASHINGTON, D.C. - A senior U.S. lawmaker said Thursday that unmanned CIA Predator aircraft operating in Pakistan are flown from an airbase inside that country, a revelation likely to embarrass the Pakistani government and complicate its counterterrorism collaboration with the United States.

The disclosure by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, marked the first time a U.S. official had publicly commented on where the Predator aircraft patrolling Pakistan take off and land.


She should resign or be removed from the Intel committee at the very least.

This is extremely damaging to the GWoT, our relationship with Pakistan, the tenuous stability of the Pakistani government.

261 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:43:39am

Muzzammil Hassan
A lot of information came up on google.
I can't link to most of it.

262 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:43:40am
Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder.

Second-degree for a beheading?

263 aggieann  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:43:45am

There was an interesting real-crime TV show on recently (Forensic Files, I think) about a case in Missouri where a Muslim man and wife killed their high-school-aged daughter for dating a black teenager. They claimed that she had threatened them, but fortunately, the Feds had already installed listening devices in their home because they were scamming money from the government through their little grocery store, and the truth came out. It was bone-chilling to hear that tape.

264 Unakite  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:01am

re: #44 Bobibutu

Nah! Sudden Islamic Rage Syndrome.
/

There, fixed.

265 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:02am

re: #252 lostlakehiker

This is first degree murder. A beheading is not accomplished in one swift stroke of sudden fury. Premeditation does not have to be something planned for days. It just has to involve a conscious, deliberate decision to do something, and then, the actual doing.

sorry, but yes it often is

266 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:04am

OK...I'm leaving this thread. I guess I woke up in a not so serious mood today. Don't want to say anything else that may get me axed from lgf. Ciao.

267 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:09am

For those folks who aren't familiar with the Buffalo area and Orchard Park, this is the same general area from which the Lackawanna Six hailed from. There is a sizable Muslim population there...

268 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:26am

re: #252 lostlakehiker

This is first degree murder. A beheading is not accomplished in one swift stroke of sudden fury. Premeditation does not have to be something planned for days. It just has to involve a conscious, deliberate decision to do something, and then, the actual doing.

According to the Laws of New York, Second Degree Murder is also premeditated. It takes special circumstances to elevate it to First Degree Murder (such as killing a police officer). See my #251, please.

269 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:28am

Rush: "Jake Tapper, get some protection, buddy."

270 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:38am

re: #253 Killian Bundy

So, Collins and Specter promised to change their votes on Porkapalooza if the House stuffed the pork back in (which they reportedly did).

/the vote's coming up, think they've read it?

Whoever votes for it, doesn't get re-elected.
THATS HOW IT MUST BE. And we have to let them know this. Often.

271 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:40am

re: #252 lostlakehiker

This is first degree murder. A beheading is not accomplished in one swift stroke of sudden fury. Premeditation does not have to be something planned for days. It just has to involve a conscious, deliberate decision to do something, and then, the actual doing.

of course...any other charge is a cop out imo

272 Opinionated  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:51am

The DA could charge in the First Degree:

(x) the defendant acted in an especially cruel and wanton manner pursuant to a course of conduct intended to inflict and inflicting torture upon the victim prior to the victim's death. As used in this subparagraph, "torture" means the intentional and depraved infliction of extreme physical pain; "depraved" means the defendant relished the infliction of extreme physical pain upon the victim evidencing debasement or perversion or that the defendant evidenced a sense of pleasure in the infliction of extreme physical pain;

Beheading may very well fit.

273 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:56am

re: #266 So?

WHAT THE FUCK IS FUNNY ABOUT CHOPPING OFF A WOMAN'S HEAD? WHERE'S THE HUMOR?

274 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:45:06am

re: #254 sattv4u2
and
re: #259 Kenneth

Even if "at work" is a TV station devoted to Muslim culture and news? I know when I go into a place of business (lets say a Japanese Restaurant) there are all kinds of "cultural" icons on display, including long Bushido swords for "color"

But those aren't usually kept sharpened. Many of the display swords can't even take a sharp edge.

275 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:45:10am

re: #259 Kenneth

GMTA ( see 254)

276 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:45:17am

re: #262 reine.de.tout

Second-degree for a beheading?

Please see my #251 for the relevant NYS laws.

277 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:45:25am

Gah. Off to the market.

278 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:45:39am

re: #260 jcm

OT ------

Frankenfienstien screws the pooch. BIG TIME!

Predator drones flown from base in Pakistan, U.S. lawmaker says


She should resign or be removed from the Intel committee at the very least.

This is extremely damaging to the GWoT, our relationship with Pakistan, the tenuous stability of the Pakistani government.

She should be charged with treason.

279 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:45:53am
280 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:46:08am

I'm starting to come to hate these threads. And people wonder why I say misogyny is alive and well in America.

281 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:46:12am

re: #274 Kosh's Shadow

and
re: #259 Kenneth


But those aren't usually kept sharpened. Many of the display swords can't even take a sharp edge.

Well ,, I guess someone forgot to tell him!

282 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:46:19am

re: #276 Honorary Yooper

will do,thanks

283 bolivar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:46:23am

re: #253 Killian Bundy

So, Collins and Specter promised to change their votes on Porkapalooza if the House stuffed the pork back in (which they reportedly did).

/the vote's coming up, think they've read it?

I tried to read at least some of it and it just gave me a headache. I cannot fathom HAVING to read it. Guess I would never make a good Congressman - oops they don't read it either. Well then, when this all proves to be a waste of money and does absolutely no good will we be able to get our money back? Guess not huh? This is not like buying at Wal-Mart is it? We are stuck with it.

284 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:46:24am

re: #260 jcm

OT ------

Frankenfienstien screws the pooch. BIG TIME!

Predator drones flown from base in Pakistan, U.S. lawmaker says


She should resign or be removed from the Intel committee at the very least.

This is extremely damaging to the GWoT, our relationship with Pakistan, the tenuous stability of the Pakistani government.

She'll probably be promoted to SecDef when gates steps down.

285 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:46:42am

re: #240 jcw46

Side note; does the rop hate women or are they just afraid of the power women have over them?

Same thing. People fear the thing they hate. An excellent series on the topic here.

286 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:47:01am
287 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:47:34am

re: #267 lawhawk

For those folks who aren't familiar with the Buffalo area and Orchard Park, this is the same general area from which the Lackawanna Six hailed from. There is a sizable Muslim population there...

...of which a "tiny minority" are non-peaceful.

288 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:47:45am

re: #278 Kosh's Shadow

She should be charged with treason.

It means we have people in Pakistan, they are now in very real danger.

289 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:48:01am

re: #246 Kenneth

Beheading may seem exotic to modern Western culture, but it's a pretty common concept in the Muslim world. Criminals are executed by beheading, the Koran has verses celebrating righteous beheadings, children play at beheading "bad guys", literature and pop culture is full of references to beheading.

Here's a question I was just pondering: Have you ever heard of a woman decapitating a man in this cultural environment? People are asking about the status of women; I think the answer could offer us a clue.

If the man in question is say, a Christian, or an American abroad, is it acceptable for a woman to be violent with him?

I have my guess, but I honestly don't know. You seem like a good person to ask.

290 Arbalest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:48:11am

re: #246 Kenneth

True, it might now be "exotic" to Westerners, and the Muslim children may do as they do, but the specific action is not a simple one, unlike a stabbing or bludgeoning.

It requires an edged weapon of a size not usually carried. An 8" or larger kitchen knife might be suitable, but it would take some skill and effort, and more likely an expensive knife; one with a thicker blade. Such a knife seems unlikely to be found at a television station.

This points to pre-meditation.

291 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:48:22am

re: #278 Kosh's Shadow

She should be charged with treason.


Actually it's a well known fact in Pakistan, and has been in the papers there, Musharraf himself spoke of it while he was still in power. This is the first time someone in our gov't has recognized publicly that the base exists, the Pakistanis all know about from several articles in their papers over the last couple of years. Stupidity I can charge her with, Treason not.

292 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:48:33am

I posted this story on a liberal message board just to see how they deal with it.
The old talking points of ''respecting one another's various cultures'' and ignoring the camel's nose as it slowly crept into our tent must fall, right?
Where will the feminists come down on this story?
They are without official talking points, too.
So, I'm figuring crickets.

293 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #288 jcm

It means we have people in Pakistan, they are now in very real danger.

who can charge her?...how would that process work?

294 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:48:53am

re: #273 MandyManners

I don't quite understand So?:

Karma: 408

So?

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jul 1, 2006 at 1:19 pm
No. of comments posted: 5,632
No. of links posted: 274

I'm not familiar with this person, but it does seem odd to have that many postings with a Karma of only 408. How does that happen? Serious downdings?

295 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:49:05am

re: #273 MandyManners

Muzzammil Hassan [the alleged murderer] is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

I am not laughing at the woman's death. But irony is very strong here.

296 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:49:10am
297 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:49:16am

re: #286 Iron Fist

And this was almost certainly done deliberately, with the intent of haerming America's war effort. The Democrats are still trying to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. They may succeed at failing yet...

I was thinking the same thing.

Would she intentionally say this? I couldn't wrap my head around a mind set that would give away secrets that have a direct impact on the security of this country, and places our troops in direct peril.

298 cartoonboy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:49:31am

tre: #222 cartoonboy

Sorry if that offended anyone.

The continued arocities perpetrated by this murderous, mafia-like hate-cult leaves leads me to mockery as a cover for my despair.

299 Sheepdogess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:49:44am

Slightly OT lizards, here's a little "gun porn"...

[Link: forum.pafoa.org...]

Might be an alternative to an "order of protection". Just sayin' . . .

300 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:49:47am

re: #174 MandyManners

Why did you quote?!

Brain Fart! Reply would have been much better... sorry.

301 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:49:57am

re: #190 kafir lover

re: #118 ploome hineni

Here's the victim

Wow!
She was a beauty!

302 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:50:02am

House passes Obama's economic stimulus bill

The measure was passed on a 246-183, with no Republican "yes" votes.

/good, except for the Three Stooges of the Senate, the Bonkeys are going to totally own this obscene travesty

303 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:50:11am

OT:
House passed this porkfest. It was bipartisan opposition though. 7 Democrats and all GOPers voted against (1 Democrat voted present). Three did not vote.

Congrats to those who stood up against this mess. The Democrats will be held accountable for their failures and this stimulus will be corrosive and destructive to the economy and the private sector, which is just as the Democrats wanted it.

304 Picayune  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:50:18am

re: #107 ironbill


Inform CAIR that the phobia is Islam, which ordains severing your wife's head off, while under a court protective order in a Christian nation (80+%). This disgusting, drooling phobia must be shoved down their throats by more than just a jury of 12. Just indefensible on so many levels!

Blog it, baby blog!

305 Shug  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:50:21am
Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder.

WTF?

I'm not a cop or judge, but If you are going to saw off somebody's head, doesn't this take a bit more thought than shooting them? ( like strangulation) It takes time
First degree murder for this bum!

or perhaps the better way to handle this case would be to just turf this case to the Sharia courts in Islamburg?
/

306 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:50:33am

re: #294 subsailor68

I don't quite understand So?:

Karma: 408

So?

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jul 1, 2006 at 1:19 pm
No. of comments posted: 5,632
No. of links posted: 274

I'm not familiar with this person, but it does seem odd to have that many postings with a Karma of only 408. How does that happen? Serious downdings?

Or nothing worthy of updings. It would be good to be able to see the karma ledger, pluses & minuses.

307 cartoonboy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:50:37am

re: #298 cartoonboy

t

Sorry if I offended anyone.

The continued arocities perpetrated by this murderous, mafia-like hate-cult leaves leads me to mockery as a cover for my despair.

308 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:50:38am

re: #292 mean Gene

Hey, mene Gene!

Sorry about yesterday. I left, and did not see your reply. My mistake!

My only defense is that I had a cousin Gene and he was a guy (Eugene).

;)

309 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:50:47am

re: #260 jcm

OT ------

Frankenfienstien screws the pooch. BIG TIME!

Predator drones flown from base in Pakistan, U.S. lawmaker says


She should resign or be removed from the Intel committee at the very least.

This is extremely damaging to the GWoT, our relationship with Pakistan, the tenuous stability of the Pakistani government.

What a frickin' moron! (Di Fi..... not you)

310 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:50:56am

re: #284 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

She'll probably be promoted to SecDef when gates steps down.

By that time, the position will be renamed Secretary of Peace.

311 shiplord kirel  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:51:05am

I have never thought that Muslim culture was particularly violent or brutal compared to others that developed in pre-industrial times. Europe in medieval times was far less enlightened than the contemporary Muslim world, for example.
The problem is that for various reasons, the Muslim world remained in medieval times into the twentieth century. It was suddenly and artificially catapulted into the modern world by the huge influx of oil wealth. There was no renaissance, no enlightenment, no industrial revolution; just the sudden appearance of cars, computers, and saturation media. It is as though a population from Chaucer's England, complete with corrupt and superstitious priests, had been bodily transported to modern Britain, given all the money they wanted, and left to their own devices.
I can't help but wonder what the Middle East would be like today if it did not have the oceans of oil. It might be a good subject for an alternate history, come to think of it.

312 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:51:22am

re: #161 MandyManners

Where was that concern when he killed her?

Secondary to his "honor".

313 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:51:30am
314 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:51:33am

re: #294 subsailor68

It is possible - folks don't always agree or what they say isn't particularly memorable, or overlooked. Depends really... I wouldn't read that much into the karma numbers...

315 Miss Trixie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:51:36am

re: #263 aggieann

There was an interesting real-crime TV show on recently (Forensic Files, I think) about a case in Missouri where a Muslim man and wife killed their high-school-aged daughter for dating a black teenager. They claimed that she had threatened them, but fortunately, the Feds had already installed listening devices in their home because they were scamming money from the government through their little grocery store, and the truth came out. It was bone-chilling to hear that tape.

Do not forget Aqsa Parvez of Toronto. Such a beautiful girl with her whole life ahead of her in a free Canada and her father murdered her.

316 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:51:38am

re: #296 buzzsawmonkey

The thought that someone so outwardly assimilated could nonetheless commit such a crime here is deeply troubling.

It is absolutely terrifying, but a reality that none of us can avoid.

317 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:04am

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you! Thanks to PC and moral relativism.

We really have to nip this kind of thing in the bud before we turn into Europe. It really wouldn't surprise me if a judge in Germany or the UK would let this guy off because of religious reasons.

318 cartoonboy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:09am

.re: #307 cartoonboy


My spelling and concentration is awful today.

Meant "atrocities"

319 Opinionated  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:12am

re: #273 MandyManners

WHAT THE FUCK IS FUNNY ABOUT CHOPPING OFF A WOMAN'S HEAD? WHERE'S THE HUMOR?

Murder occurs every day, why does this merit a thread?

Because we all know it is a symptom of a certain culture.

In response, there could be hundreds of posts with only condolences for the poor woman. [that would be boring].

Or there could be commentary on the culture from where this cruelty comes.

Black humor is a respectable and accepted form of commentary.

320 bolivar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:19am

re: #303 lawhawk

Who voted present? That is one mighty smart-ass.

321 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:19am

re: #284 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

She'll probably be promoted to SecDef when gates steps down.

This was a knife in the SecDef's back. The Demorat left is fighting back against Obama's shocking tendency to moderate and re-appoint Bush era people to his cabinet.

Gates championed the surge, and it worked. Feinstein, Pelosi, Reid et al will never forgive him for that.

322 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:33am

re: #305 Shug

WTF?

I'm not a cop or judge, but If you are going to saw off somebody's head, doesn't this take a bit more thought than shooting them? ( like strangulation) It takes time
First degree murder for this bum!

or perhaps the better way to handle this case would be to just turf this case to the Sharia courts in Islamburg?
/

Second Degree is how New York handles it. Both First and Second Degree Murder are considered premediatated in New York. Please see my #251 for the links to the NYS Code.

323 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:44am

Charles
Better delete my # 171 too. I quoted myself.......

324 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:50am

OT: Nancy Pelosi, get off my TV.

325 calcajun  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:50am

No doubt he'll want to be tried by Sharia law--which will give him a pass as no doubt his wife had it coming under that enlightened code.

326 Morganfrost  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:55am
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

He was doing a feature on Muslim courtship rituals, called "Beadings: the Muslim Answer to Valentine's Day." This was to be the third in a series designed to promote tolerance and acceptance of Islam. The first, called "Beheadings: the Muslim Answer to Free Speech" drew rave reviews from the NY Times, which lauded its producer's "incredible courage in challenging outmoded western bigotry towards Islamic customs." The second in the series, called "Beheadings: the Muslim Answer to Reglious Diversity," was hailed by the Archbishop of Canterbury as "a groundbreaking work destined to promote harmony between Christians and our Muslim Overlords."

Sophisticated viewers everywhere are hoping that Mr. Hassan's unfortunate contretemps with local law enforcement will not interrupt plans for the final installation in the series: "Stonings: the Muslim Answer to Questions that Can't be Answered With Beheadings."

327 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:53:21am

Stimulus update: vote count in House (Conference report) (whatever that is?)
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

328 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:53:29am

re: #260 jcm

re: #309 eschew_obfuscation

What a frickin' moron! (Di Fi..... not you)


Now Now ,, lets not be too hasty.

//j/k JCM !

329 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:53:32am

re: #289 capitalist piglet

Here's a question I was just pondering: Have you ever heard of a woman decapitating a man in this cultural environment? People are asking about the status of women; I think the answer could offer us a clue.

If the man in question is say, a Christian, or an American abroad, is it acceptable for a woman to be violent with him?

I have my guess, but I honestly don't know. You seem like a good person to ask.

I lived in Iran. My sisters were born there. When they were they had blond hair blue eyes. My dad was continually approached with offers, large amounts of money, property, to arrange a marriage and meat the bride prices for such exotic girls. This was occuring while my sisters where under 10 years old.

Women in Islamic countries are PROPERTY. For the father to sell at the best price, and for the husband to use. An eldest son in Islamic cultural has more authority than his mother. Think about how growing up being able to order your mother about affects your worldview re: women.

330 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:53:34am

re: #324 tackle

OT: Nancy Pelosi, get off my TV.

/doesn't she have a plane to catch?

331 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:53:42am

re: #280 Sharmuta

I'm starting to come to hate these threads. And people wonder why I say misogyny is alive and well in America.

Are you saying that posters here are acting from misogyny or that the beheading was misogynistic?

332 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:53:44am

re: #306 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or nothing worthy of updings. It would be good to be able to see the karma ledger, pluses & minuses.

Ah thanks. I'm still learning about this. A ledger might be helpful. I was raised on the adage "a gentleman never unintentionally offends." I try to live by that. If I know where a particular lizard is coming from, and have an idea of how he/she interacts with other lizards, it might help me keep from unintentionally offending someone.

333 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:53:52am
334 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:53:52am
335 SecondComing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:53:59am

Charles, I wish you would get back to important stuff like Darwin and Evolution./

336 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:54:02am

re: #294 subsailor68

So? get's almost as many down-dings as he does up-dings. It's comments can be considered funny, tasteless, offensive or provocative depending on the day.

337 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:54:03am

re: #296 buzzsawmonkey

The thought that someone so outwardly assimilated could nonetheless commit such a crime here is deeply troubling.

Unfortunately, it is not (to me) deeply surprising. At ALL. Not in the LEAST.

338 Achilles Tang  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:54:44am

re: #152 Diamond Bullet

Sorry, cutting someone's head off isn't just something that happens, even in a fit of rage or crime of passion. This is not "I lost it and stabbed her" territory. He had to know what he was doing and why he was doing it.

One wonders where he learned that.
//

339 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:54:51am

re: #309 eschew_obfuscation

What a frickin' moron! (Di Fi..... not you)

I would have known who you meant!
;-)

340 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:00am

re: #314 lawhawk

It is possible - folks don't always agree or what they say isn't particularly memorable, or overlooked. Depends really... I wouldn't read that much into the karma numbers...

Gotcha. Thanks!

:-)

341 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:02am

re: #324 tackle

OT: Nancy Pelosi, get off my TV planet

342 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:03am

re: #330 Killian Bundy

/doesn't she have a plane to catch?

Yes, and she was just praising Obama with regard to the speed that this bill was passed. So fast we never saw it coming.

343 Lee Coller  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:05am

re: #167 So?

Ok, that's all my perverted mind could come up with on the spur (/) of the moment. I apologize profusely, if some of you are offended.

And if we weren't offended you don't apologize?

344 calcajun  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:05am

re: #315 Miss Trixie

Do not forget Aqsa Parvez of Toronto. Such a beautiful girl with her whole life ahead of her in a free Canada and her father murdered her.

And the Egyptian cabbie in Dallas who killed his daughters --and at last report is still a fugitive. More of this goes on in the American Muslim community--it just does not get the attention it deserves.

345 Truth Stick  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:21am

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I have ninja weapons hidden around the office, just in case.


I tried to hide the weapons, but they were too hard to disgiuse, so I just hired the whole ninja, and let him roam the office.

346 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:26am

re: #330 Killian Bundy

/doesn't she have a plane to catch?

not until 6 pm ,,,,

347 Wilderstad  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:29am

re: #107 ironbill


CAIR, unindicted co-conspirator, lying POS. Credibility = nil.
CAIR can kiss my derrierre.

348 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:30am

7 house democrats voted NO. They must be thanked.

349 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:35am

re: #313 ploome hineni

no other thread available?
when I don;t like comments I find another thread, or something es to do

too many post police here, and too much foul mouth bullying

yup....Charles can take care of himself imo

350 Haole  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:43am

You guys are gonna make Charles work all day on this thread.

351 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:48am

re: #311 shiplord kirel

I have never thought that Muslim culture was particularly violent or brutal compared to others that developed in pre-industrial times. Europe in medieval times was far less enlightened than the contemporary Muslim world, for example.
The problem is that for various reasons, the Muslim world remained in medieval times into the twentieth century. It was suddenly and artificially catapulted into the modern world by the huge influx of oil wealth. There was no renaissance, no enlightenment, no industrial revolution; just the sudden appearance of cars, computers, and saturation media. It is as though a population from Chaucer's England, complete with corrupt and superstitious priests, had been bodily transported to modern Britain, given all the money they wanted, and left to their own devices.
I can't help but wonder what the Middle East would be like today if it did not have the oceans of oil. It might be a good subject for an alternate history, come to think of it.

Spot on. Although I think if you looked at them 100 years ago they were more primitive then Chaucer's England. The whole "7th Century Culture" meme is not an just an epithet.

352 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:55:53am

re: #329 jcm

We have a running joke about 'how many camels for your daughter'..but the joke starts with a little grain of truth.

353 Shug  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:56:02am

re: #324 tackle

OT: Nancy Pelosi, get off my TV. wallet


fixed

354 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:56:04am

re: #336 Kenneth

So? get's almost as many down-dings as he does up-dings. It's comments can be considered funny, tasteless, offensive or provocative depending on the day.

It's also been involved in the C/E threads with massive downdinging there, IIRC.

355 gymmom  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:56:16am

re: #320 bolivar

Lipinski

356 Athos  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:56:16am

re: #303 lawhawk

Equally underreported in this mess - the impossibility of anyone who cast a vote to have read all 1000 or so pages of this mess. One would venture to say from that - any vote to pass it was one based on ideology as opposed to responsibility. If the Senate does the same, perhaps as early as later today, particularly given the efforts of the three traitors, then Pelosi will soon regret her choice of words a few minutes ago when she stated that this bill 'will dramatically transform the economy'.

It will - but not in the way she anticipates or wishes it to be transformed.

357 calcajun  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:56:33am

re: #329 jcm

I lived in Iran. My sisters were born there. When they were they had blond hair blue eyes. My dad was continually approached with offers, large amounts of money, property, to arrange a marriage and meat the bride prices for such exotic girls. This was occuring while my sisters where under 10 years old.

Women in Islamic countries are PROPERTY. For the father to sell at the best price, and for the husband to use. An eldest son in Islamic cultural has more authority than his mother. Think about how growing up being able to order your mother about affects your worldview re: women.

As I have said--it is a region and a people two paradigm shifts short of an Enlightenment.

358 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:56:33am

re: #326 Morganfrost

He was doing a feature on Muslim courtship rituals, called "Beadings: the Muslim Answer to Valentine's Day." This was to be the third in a series designed to promote tolerance and acceptance of Islam. The first, called "Beheadings: the Muslim Answer to Free Speech" drew rave reviews from the NY Times, which lauded its producer's "incredible courage in challenging outmoded western bigotry towards Islamic customs." The second in the series, called "Beheadings: the Muslim Answer to Reglious Diversity," was hailed by the Archbishop of Canterbury as "a groundbreaking work destined to promote harmony between Christians and our Muslim Overlords."

Sophisticated viewers everywhere are hoping that Mr. Hassan's unfortunate contretemps with local law enforcement will not interrupt plans for the final installation in the series: "Stonings: the Muslim Answer to Questions that Can't be Answered With Beheadings."

Black humor indeed. The Onion and Iowahawk would be pleased, I think.

359 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:56:54am

re: #294 subsailor68

I don't quite understand So?:

Karma: 408

So?

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jul 1, 2006 at 1:19 pm
No. of comments posted: 5,632
No. of links posted: 274

I'm not familiar with this person, but it does seem odd to have that many postings with a Karma of only 408. How does that happen? Serious downdings?

I've asked this question myself. The karma rating is more an indication of one's ability to inspire other lizards to rate one's comment. This is due to the fact that a person with 100 comments but only 50 updings has a karma of 50 but so does a person with 100 comments and 75 updings with 25 downdings. See what I mean?

The karma rating is more a Charisma or how inspirational one is.

360 bolivar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:57:26am

re: #355 gymmom

Lipinski

Where is this guy/gal from? Never heard of them. Maybe that is about to change.....an obama clone?

361 redheadredstate  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:57:36am

If you are a Muslim woman living in a state with concealed/carry gun laws, go out now and get your concealed/carry permit (in secret, of course). The only safe Muslim wife is an armed Muslim wife.

362 jester6  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:57:46am

Charles -

You might want to delete my #200 too.

363 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:57:52am

i hope they didn't have children

364 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:00am

re: #330 Killian Bundy

/doesn't she have a plane to catch?

Oh, for the Pope to give her a good lecturing!

I know it won't happen, but I can dream.

365 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:08am

re: #329 jcm

I lived in Iran. My sisters were born there. When they were they had blond hair blue eyes. My dad was continually approached with offers, large amounts of money, property, to arrange a marriage and meat the bride prices for such exotic girls. This was occuring while my sisters where under 10 years old.

Women in Islamic countries are PROPERTY. For the father to sell at the best price, and for the husband to use. An eldest son in Islamic cultural has more authority than his mother. Think about how growing up being able to order your mother about affects your worldview re: women.

Wow. Very informative post. Thank you. (Did you mean to say "meat" though?)

Do you happen to know how a woman who murdered a man would be regarded, if the man were outside the culture but the woman was part of it? I'm curious about that. Maybe it just never happens so there isn't an example to draw on.

366 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:09am

re: #330 Killian Bundy

re: #342 tackle

What ever happened to Obamas campaign promise of a 5 day waiting period on all important legislation so all can review the bill for "transparancy" sake?

367 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:11am

re: #231 Charles

Look. I understand the impulse to joke about something so dark and evil. I do it sometimes too. But it's really not cool in this case. A woman was murdered in a truly horrible way, and there's nothing funny about it.

THANK YOU!

368 Rancher  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:13am

re: #249 albusteve

I wonder if anyone is keeping score with these crimes here in the states....right off hand I can only think of the Texas guy that offed his daughters...are there more?

Fox recounts three others. Murder in the Family: Honor Killings in America

369 ironbill  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:14am

I see this thread is getting a little tense. There's some gallows humor thrown around and I can see some people are getting pissed, so I accept this chance to philosophize.

This episode demonstrates a clear distinction between ideologies.

The most obvious is the Western/Islamic divide. A great many apologists for Islam will now proceed to argue that this is an aberration; has no connection to Islam. The opposite is the truth. Islamic/Arab culture views a beheading as the ultimate act of human advantage over one's enemy, and supremacy over the domain. By removing the head, the body has been despoiled, and victory achieved. The Koran is replete with references to the act. As well, it is a common practice of capitol punishment in the Arab world. So, to any armchair social scientist who hopes to proffer this as an isolated instance and any criticism as a racist attempt at attacking pluralistic values: Fuck You.

This thus leads to the other ideological divide: The Leftist/multiculturalist vs. the Western/humanist. Liberals love to talk about how they love humanity, but their tongues will be tied when it comes to condemning this act. Why? Because the value of this woman's life was superseded by the value of the murderer's culture. This is why they opposed the deposing of Saddam Hussein. Liberals cannot distinguish between tyranny and the individual human. In fact, they embrace tyranny should it be wrapped in the correct phrases.

A beautiful, valuable, real human being was murdered in an indescribable manner because of a savage ideology.

Modern Western media, academia, and governments refuse to recognize this reality.

370 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:15am

Afternoon Lizards!

So, the process of removing one's head is not an easy task, I think. So either he had to be really, really mad and be very strong (not-premeditated) or he had the tools for the job at hand and knew how to use them (pre-meditated).

Am I missing something here?

371 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:18am

re: #356 Athos

You're absolutely right. Here's a link to just what you're talking about:

Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues 'Will Have the Chance' to Read Final Stimulus Bill Before Vote

Were I in Congress, there is no way I could look my constituents in the eye and say "Well, I didn't have a chance to read the bill, but decided I needed to vote for it anyway."

372 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:28am

"IT?"

So? is now an it. Wow.

373 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:46am

re: #355 gymmom

Lipinski

Now that is pretty frigging funny. Lipinski is a Democrat from Chicago.

374 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:52am

re: #363 phoenixgirl

i hope they didn't have children

I believe they did. :(

375 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:58:53am

re: #363 phoenixgirl

i hope they didn't have children

They appear to have had children.

376 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:59:20am

re: #359 jcw46

I've asked this question myself. The karma rating is more an indication of one's ability to inspire other lizards to rate one's comment. This is due to the fact that a person with 100 comments but only 50 updings has a karma of 50 but so does a person with 100 comments and 75 updings with 25 downdings. See what I mean?

The karma rating is more a Charisma or how inspirational one is.

Thanks for that. I think I understand now.

377 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:59:20am

re: #366 sattv4u2

What ever happened to Obamas campaign promise of a 5 day waiting period on all important legislation so all can review the bill for "transparancy" sake?

/SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday

378 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:59:32am

re: #352 WriterMom

We have a running joke about 'how many camels for your daughter'..but the joke starts with a little grain of truth.

It does, we looked back most of it with humor, a few ahh, gentlemen were remarkable persistent. And some of the offers truly mind boggling.

A blond haired blue eyed wife would be a huge status symbol.

379 Shug  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:59:53am

As long as the world has Robert Gibbs, there will always be something else to laugh and joke about

380 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:59:54am

re: #374 MrSilverDragon

I believe they did. :(

poor kids.....: (

381 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:00:06pm

re: #320 bolivar

Who voted present? That is one mighty smart-ass.

Lipinski

382 Miss Trixie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:00:14pm

And who could forget sweet, innocent Farah Khan? Brutally murdered and dismembered at the age of 5 years old by her "parents".

383 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:00:21pm

re: #369 ironbill

A thousand updings, were it possible.

Charles, you should SELL updings! $.50 a click.

384 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:02pm
385 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:06pm

re: #368 Rancher

Fox recounts three others. Murder in the Family: Honor Killings in America

thanks....one murder caught on tape...good lord almighty

386 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:07pm

re: #377 Killian Bundy

/SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday

He actually referred to 'non-emergency' legislation ..... if he were called on this, I'm sure this would be 'emergency' legislation.

387 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:12pm

re: #380 phoenixgirl

poor kids.....: (

Yeah - either they're forever traumatized by this - and doubtless by the innumerable other petty atrocities leading up to this - or they're not, because they've been so thoroughly indoctrinated in the cultural cancer that made it possible.

388 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:25pm
389 Sheepdogess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:26pm

re: #377 Killian Bundy

I'm not surprised at all.

390 Silvergirl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:28pm

For justice, the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland should be his judge.

"Off with his head!"

391 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:47pm
392 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:47pm

re: #360 bolivar

Where is this guy/gal from? Never heard of them. Maybe that is about to change.....an obama clone?

Daniel Lipinski is from the 3d District in Illinois.

393 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:55pm

Looks like they passed the Stimu-Less© - mutter...mutter

394 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:57pm
395 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:02:05pm
396 Athos  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:02:06pm

re: #329 jcm

However, in the world of the naive multiculturalist - as repugnant as the treatment of women is, as repugnant as the brutality of their punishments are within this blend of religion and government called Islam - there are those who will continue to make excuses for this culture, who will continue to refuse to judge and hold those in utter contempt who do not accept basic human rights. In the US, the call is separation of religion and state....except when it comes to Islam.....then it is 'who are we to judge' and how can we step in an condemn a belief that excuses the beheading / stoning of women. It is hypocrisy and foolhardiness at its worse.

The problem will not ever remotely move towards a solution until we learn to condemn the unacceptable as unacceptable and force islamists to either reform their religion into just a religion or be ostrascized by any civilized country / person.

397 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:02:07pm

re: #370 ggt


I can pretty much guarantee it was a messy ordeal. Even with a large heavy sword or axe and a restrained victim it can take several tries even from an experienced executioner. He was probably using a small blade while struggling with her. It was probably very messy.

398 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:02:21pm
399 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:02:29pm
400 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:02:33pm
401 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:02:37pm

re: #288 jcm

It means we have people in Pakistan, they are now in very real danger.

Yeah but Scooter Libby outed Valerie Plame........now that was treasonous.....
//////
I can't express in words how upside down the liberals world view is and how much it drives me nuts.....
The most dangerous thing these people should be allowed to handle is Nerf material........
Fuck.

402 jorline  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:02:53pm

HURRY, FELLAS, LET'S VOTE, I AM OFF TO ROME!

Pelosi is hoping to lead a delegation to Europe; there's a meeting with the Pope and an award from an Italian legislative group.

Calls to Pelosi's spokesman went unreturned.

In the rushing, Democrats have now broken their promise to have the public see the $790 billion bill for 48 hours before any vote.

Sorry if this is a repost, but it's the first time I've been able to go online today.

I'm blown away the American public is going to put up with this load of crap.

Stay in Europe Nancy.

403 Rancher  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:03:16pm

re: #260 jcm

OT ------
Frankenfienstien screws the pooch. BIG TIME!
Predator drones flown from base in Pakistan, U.S. lawmaker says
She should resign or be removed from the Intel committee at the very least.
This is extremely damaging to the GWoT, our relationship with Pakistan, the tenuous stability of the Pakistani government.


Does the dumb bitch still think Bush is President? This is Obama's GWoT she's sabotaging.

404 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:03:26pm

re: #377 Killian Bundy

/SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday

Ah yes. The 'Friday Night' surprise,,, followed by nobody paying attention to the news on a Saturday,, followed by the MSM setting the agenda for the Sunday Morning talk shows (probably something like how Gregg only took/ rescinded the house seat to try to embarass Obama) followed by a Monday signing of the bill

405 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:03:34pm
406 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:04:24pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

I can pretty much guarantee it was a messy ordeal. Even with a large heavy sword or axe and a restrained victim it can take several tries even from an experienced executioner. He was probably using a small blade while struggling with her. It was probably very messy.

IIRC, the invention of the guillotine was considered a more human way of be-heading people because it only took one try.

407 mean Gene  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:04:30pm

Oh, renumerating these few cases of honor killings that we only know about because they happened in non-Islamic states makes me faint with grief toward all of the thousands of others who die unsung in Islamic countries.
In Turkey, I read that so-called ''kitchen fires'' are the leading cause of death of Turkish Muslim girls and women.
You know what those really are, I mean, stoves don't kill thousands of women every year anywhere else, right?
And in the Saudi kingdom most of the dead females are simply buried in the sands outside of any towns.
Horrid people, satanic worshipers.

408 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:04:41pm

re: #365 capitalist piglet

Wow. Very informative post. Thank you. (Did you mean to say "meat" though?)

Do you happen to know how a woman who murdered a man would be regarded, if the man were outside the culture but the woman was part of it? I'm curious about that. Maybe it just never happens so there isn't an example to draw on.

Meat was a Fruedian slip I think. ;-)

If he grew up in an Islamic culture then immigrated as an adult the cultural training is hard to break. Yes we have penalty of men who murder their wives in this culture, some pre-mediated many in the heat of the moment.

The use of beheading is indicative of the culture at work in the action. Beheading is not common in murders in this country.

I know many American women who have married middle eastern men. Out of all those I know only one that lasted long term, and very few that didn't end violently. The one that made had a genuine conversion to Christianity came to the US and become American in every way. He consciously abandoned his roots for a better life.

409 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:04:51pm

Charles, update on the whole Spencer-Reconquista thing:

I just checked on Facebook, and the group has now been banned. It was still there last night, gone now. Less than two days after I reported it.

In light of that, I think Spencer's attempt to have me banned from Facebook may fall a little flat. At least, so far I haven't heard anything from Facebook.

The other group Spencer joined, the one calling for, among other things, a blanket Verbot on the immigration of any and all Muslims to the United States for 20 years - with the sole exception of fleeing apostates, i.e. you could come here only after renouncing your religion - is still up, and Spencer is still a member.

Which means either he agrees with what that group proposes, or he still hasn't bothered to check out what he's associated himself with in a semi-public forum.

Most likely he's not too particular about who his Facebook "friends" are, either.

He just doesn't get it.

410 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:05:09pm

re: #326 Morganfrost

He was doing a feature on Muslim courtship rituals, called "Beadings: the Muslim Answer to Valentine's Day." This was to be the third in a series designed to promote tolerance and acceptance of Islam. The first, called "Beheadings: the Muslim Answer to Free Speech" drew rave reviews from the NY Times, which lauded its producer's "incredible courage in challenging outmoded western bigotry towards Islamic customs." The second in the series, called "Beheadings: the Muslim Answer to Reglious Diversity," was hailed by the Archbishop of Canterbury as "a groundbreaking work destined to promote harmony between Christians and our Muslim Overlords."

Sophisticated viewers everywhere are hoping that Mr. Hassan's unfortunate contretemps with local law enforcement will not interrupt plans for the final installation in the series: "Stonings: the Muslim Answer to Questions that Can't be Answered With Beheadings."

Of course, for the one on free speech, he didn't have to kill anyone; he just used the video of the Daniel Pearl beheading.

411 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:05:16pm

re: #383 Taqiyyotomist

A thousand updings, were it possible.

Charles, you should SELL updings! $.50 a click.

We need to be able to transfer dings!

412 gymmom  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:05:20pm

re: #360 bolivar

Illinois 3rd congressional district
Something in the water there?

413 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:06:50pm
414 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:07:22pm

islam-delenda-est

415 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:07:45pm
416 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:07:48pm

re: #297 jcm

I was thinking the same thing.

Would she intentionally say this? I couldn't wrap my head around a mind set that would give away secrets that have a direct impact on the security of this country, and places our troops in direct peril.

"I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic"

Part of the oath I took long ago. There really are domestic enemies.....

417 ironbill  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:07:55pm

re: #383 Taqiyyotomist

Thanks,

The other reality in this is that, ultimately, the moderate/conservative/Western emphasis sees the value of a human life to be greater.

The comments I see here emphasize that the victim was a HUMAN BEING first and, by happenstance, a Muslim second.

Nowhere do I read here that she was of a lesser worth because of her faith.

So... who's the racist?

418 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:07:57pm

re: #409 Cato the Elder

In light of that, I think Spencer's attempt to have me banned from Facebook may fall a little flat. At least, so far I haven't heard anything from Facebook.

I wouldn't assume he was telling the truth about hearing from Facebook that you violated their TOS. I know from experience that companies like that usually do NOT tell people who complain that someone has violated their agreements - and especially not before they take action. It was probably a lie.

419 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:08:22pm

re: #409 Cato the Elder

The other group Spencer joined, the one calling for, among other things, a blanket Verbot on the immigration of any and all Muslims to the United States for 20 years - with the sole exception of fleeing apostates, i.e. you could come here only after renouncing your religion - is still up, and Spencer is still a member.

Which means either he agrees with what that group proposes, or he still hasn't bothered to check out what he's associated himself with in a semi-public forum.


Thanks for the update. You'd think he'd check the groups he's joined after this ordeal. He's going to wait until he gets caught before he leaves the group.

420 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:08:31pm

re: #413 Iron Fist

Actually, it is America's GWoT she is sabotaging. I'm certain that she understands that. She considers that to be a feature, not a bug.

she's feeding her bloated ego and BDS....no more no less...imo

421 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:09:20pm
422 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:09:47pm

this is the dawning of the age of nefarious

423 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:10:17pm
424 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:11:00pm
425 pbird  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:11:05pm

re: #208 capitalist piglet

Oh my goodness - she was beautiful. What a horrible story.

Even if she looked like a bulldog it would be horrible. Its not worse when pretty women die.

426 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:11:15pm

re: #416 LGoPs

"I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic"

Part of the oath I took long ago. There really are domestic enemies.....

Leaky Leahy killed one of operative in Egypt with his blathering.
That [deleted] is in the Senate.

They do not believe in the Greatness of America. They are determined to drag it down and have the dream of world wide socialism; equality of misery.

427 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:15pm
428 jemima  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:22pm

Good time to remember Aqsa Parvez and the Said sisters as well. You poor unfortunate things having the bad luck to be born into islam.

429 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:35pm
430 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:48pm

re: #409 Cato the Elder

Spencer tried to have you Banned from Facebook?! Damn, that's chutzpah.

The other group Spencer joined, the one calling for, among other things, a blanket Verbot on the immigration of any and all Muslims to the United States for 20 years - with the sole exception of fleeing apostates, i.e. you could come here only after renouncing your religion - is still up, and Spencer is still a member.

Thing is, give the concept of kitman, this would never work. Kitman says, basically, that one can even renounce, denounce, and even defame Islam, if and when the need arises. No, we can't ban Islam or Muslims, but we must do the only thing we can do, which is speak truth about Islam, loudly and often. Trouble is, in my experience, speaking truth about Islam usually prompts the leftists and PC tolerant among us to claim that, since we make these claims about Islam, that we also therefore must want to ban Islam or Muslims. I think they think, if all that "propaganda" these rightwinger racist haters are saying were actually true, then THEY think that is what would logically have to be done. I don't know, I'm not a leftist or PC-tolerant.

431 Sheepdogess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:13:43pm

re: #297 jcm

Barrack Hussein Obama and most of the democrat leadership HATE THE US MILITARY. For them, they are only useful for safely flying them around the globe.

They want a new military, one they can control, one without ethics. I will say no more. Use your imagination.

T

432 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:13:48pm
433 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:13:55pm

re: #411 jcm

We need to be able to transfer dings!

Another damn good idea. I should be able to give extra updings at the cost of my own. How Christian, giving of ones' self like that!

434 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:15:22pm
435 rock-n-roll hurricane  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:16:25pm

Off topic:

What's with all the kafiya on American Idol? Think they are clueless, or is it some kind of weird movement? My first instinct is clueless...
Palestinian Idol?

(Here's hoping I did the linky-thing right!)

436 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:16:25pm

re: #425 pbird

Even if she looked like a bulldog it would be horrible. Its not worse when pretty women die.

Of course not. I know that. My comments were not intended the way you apparently took them. It's all right to say a woman is pretty. Don't assume I meant that it enhanced the horror of the story.

437 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:17:22pm

re: #417 ironbill

Thanks,

The other reality in this is that, ultimately, the moderate/conservative/Western emphasis sees the value of a human life to be greater.

The comments I see here emphasize that the victim was a HUMAN BEING first and, by happenstance, a Muslim second.

Nowhere do I read here that she was of a lesser worth because of her faith.

So... who's the racist?

You need a blog. Wow. Good point.
Then again, she was most likely not Muslim by choice. What Muslim woman is, really?

438 BruxellesBlog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:17:29pm

re: #180 MandyManners

Ya know, I wasn't joking about Domestic Violence. I was making a satirical comment about "moderate Islam". So, by your standards, pontificating about wrist action with a knife cutting off a head is fair game but making a comment about the next logical extension of that is off limits?

Whatever.

Don't every read any Terry Southern or Michael O'Donoghue.

Flame away.

439 blangwort  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:17:47pm

As if this whole sordid affair wasn't so damned sick to begin with, think about what this disgusting excuse for humanity is going to do when he's in prison:

Convert more convicts to his variant of Islam. While he's at it, perhaps he'll teach them the finer details of beheading.

(spit)

There are some people who are truly so evil that they're not even worth warehousing in prison. I still don't see why he's only charged with second degree murder, and not first degree with a violation of protection order.

Oh, and one other thing: This doesn't do much for my opinion of an MBA degree either.

440 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:17:52pm

re: #435 rock-n-roll hurricane

Off topic:

What's with all the kafiya on American Idol? Think they are clueless, or is it some kind of weird movement? My first instinct is clueless...
Palestinian Idol?

(Here's hoping I did the linky-thing right!)

I watch with my wife, there were three different contestants wearing them during the auditions. They even had a purple "peace" scarf.

441 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:19:16pm

Got to go. Later all.

442 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:19:24pm

re: #404 sattv4u2

Ah yes. The 'Friday Night' surprise,,, followed by nobody paying attention to the news on a Saturday,, followed by the MSM setting the agenda for the Sunday Morning talk shows (probably something like how Gregg only took/ rescinded the house seat to try to embarass Obama) followed by a Monday signing of the bill

Are you really a TV News Producer? You just gave away the gameplan....
/

443 Rancher  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:19:33pm

Just an aside, but the kind of acceptance of evil we are are bemoaning here is rampant even amongst our allies in the GWoT. Yemen is an obvious example, releasing more than 170 al Qaeda. Pakistan is another, releasing Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan. Saudi Arabia and Egypt spend millions preaching hate against the US. But England? They may rank as one of our worst allies. Preserving ‘Harmony’ for Islamic Radicals

Suspected al-Qaeda members are welcome in Parliament, but not a member of the Dutch parliament. Britain has a revolving door for Islamic radicals but a closed door for their democratic critics. In 2004, British authorities insisted that the Bush administration return to the U.K. all Britons who, having been captured fighting with the enemy in Afghanistan and elsewhere, were held at Guantanamo Bay. After President Bush acceded, the former detainees were promptly released.

Not content with that, the Brits proceeded to demand that non-British detainees be shipped to England from Gitmo if they had any basis to claim legal U.K. residence. Despite the Pentagon’s protestations that these detainees were extremely dangerous, the Bush administration again relented. As night follows day, in late 2007, British authorities set the suspected terrorists free.

444 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:20:52pm
445 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:22:08pm

re: #418 Charles

I wouldn't assume he was telling the truth about hearing from Facebook that you violated their TOS. I know from experience that companies like that usually do NOT tell people who complain that someone has violated their agreements - and especially not before they take action. It was probably a lie.

Actually, what he said was that someone unnamed told him I was in violation, and that he thereupon complained to Facebook. I don't think he's heard back from Facebook, at least not in the way he would like, or else he'd be crowing about it. And I haven't heard a thing. So we'll see. In any case it's a sideshow, a distraction.

446 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:22:10pm

re: #372 Taqiyyotomist

By convention, LGFers of unknown gender are referred to by the pronoun "it". There's nothing personal. Too often, people have assumed somebody is male or female only to be corrected. Embarrassment ensues.

As for So?, sometimes I up-ding "it's" comments and sometimes I down-ding. So? works at being provocative.

447 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:22:44pm
448 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:23:49pm

re: #435 rock-n-roll hurricane

Off topic:

What's with all the kafiya on American Idol? Think they are clueless, or is it some kind of weird movement? My first instinct is clueless...
Palestinian Idol?

(Here's hoping I did the linky-thing right!)

Fashionistas consider kafaiyas as some kind of "breezy, Euro-style peace scarfs" I'm not joking.

449 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:23:49pm
450 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:23:51pm

re: #447 ploome hineni

Yes?

451 bolivar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:24:05pm

re: #446 Kenneth

By convention, LGFers of unknown gender are referred to by the pronoun "it". There's nothing personal. Too often, people have assumed somebody is male or female only to be corrected. Embarrassment ensues.

As for So?, sometimes I up-ding "it's" comments and sometimes I down-ding. So? works at being provocative.

We all still wonder about Zombie? Inquiring minds want to know should I be addressing it as him/her or ?

452 pbird  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:26:35pm

re: #436 capitalist piglet

Of course not. I know that. My comments were not intended the way you apparently took them. It's all right to say a woman is pretty. Don't assume I meant that it enhanced the horror of the story.

I'm sorry. Its just a sore area. It seems as if the whole world is more concerned if the victim is pretty.or blond or whatever.

453 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:26:35pm

re: #430 Taqiyyotomist

Spencer tried to have you Banned from Facebook?! Damn, that's chutzpah.

Thing is, give the concept of kitman, this would never work. Kitman says, basically, that one can even renounce, denounce, and even defame Islam, if and when the need arises. No, we can't ban Islam or Muslims, but we must do the only thing we can do, which is speak truth about Islam, loudly and often. Trouble is, in my experience, speaking truth about Islam usually prompts the leftists and PC tolerant among us to claim that, since we make these claims about Islam, that we also therefore must want to ban Islam or Muslims. I think they think, if all that "propaganda" these rightwinger racist haters are saying were actually true, then THEY think that is what would logically have to be done. I don't know, I'm not a leftist or PC-tolerant.

Exactly. And by joining (and remaining) with a group that proposes exactly that - banning Muslims - Spencer gives ammunition to those PC idiots who associate telling the truth about jihad with un-Constitutional measures.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

And I'm not going to report that group. I'd like to see when and if Spencer decides to withdraw his membership.

454 J.S.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:27:24pm

re: #296 buzzsawmonkey

One also has to wonder just how well integrated (or not) the Muslim community of Buffalo is? is it like a small village in Pakistan, isolated from the rest of society? (although the full story isn't available, I'm wondering if his sense of "honor" in the eyes of a closed community trumped everything else -- in other words, the possible shame from having his former wife, divorced from him living "free", cavorting with other men in the community, etc, was too much?)...not, of course, that this in any way "excuses" or "condones" this act of utter barbarism...

455 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:27:31pm

re: #446 Kenneth

As for So?, sometimes I up-ding "it's" comments and sometimes I down-ding. So? works at being provocative.

This is true -- Just like KT and Ploome, sometimes they say things blazingly insightful and true, and sometimes they get on your every last nerve. All valuable components of the lizard army.

456 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:28:30pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

(Reposted from this morning)

Once upon a time, back in high school, I knew this girl. She was nice, smart, not all that pretty & maybe a little nerdy. Not one of the "popular girls". There were also these "bad boys", mostly posers but a few of them were real thugs & they often teased this girl and others like her. Imagine our surprise when one day I saw this girl hanging out with the bad boys! Rumors started to go around, that she was not so "nice" anymore, that she was putting out just to be popular.

We felt sorry for her, that she felt she needed to degrade herself by hanging out with these jerks, that she had no self-respect, that she was putting out for them, just to feel liked. We warned her that these boys had used other girls like her before. She wouldn't listen.

As you would expect, one day her new friends dumped her. They were very cruel about it too. She finally learned these so called friends were just using her to get what they wanted, and having a joke at her expense. When they were finished with her, they threw her away. She sat alone in the cafeteria, hurried off to the library. Soon she moved away to another school.

I think her name was Robert Spencer, or something like that.

457 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:28:38pm
458 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:29:33pm
459 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:29:58pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

Actually, what he said was that someone unnamed told him I was in violation, and that he thereupon complained to Facebook. I don't think he's heard back from Facebook, at least not in the way he would like, or else he'd be crowing about it. And I haven't heard a thing. So we'll see. In any case it's a sideshow, a distraction.

Oh, come on. Anyone can see you made him join that newsgroup, while Charles distracted him with a shiny mobile.

////

460 JenBee  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:30:14pm

re: #317 ArchangelMichael

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you! Thanks to PC and moral relativism.

We really have to nip this kind of thing in the bud before we turn into Europe. It really wouldn't surprise me if a judge in Germany or the UK would let this guy off because of religious reasons.

Michael, it's already happening in Germany...

This is from Spiegel Online, March 2007: "He beat her and threatened her with murder. But because husband and wife were both from Morocco, a German divorce court judge saw no cause for alarm. It's a religion thing, she argued."

Your text to link...

461 Silhouette  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:30:59pm

re: #407 mean Gene

And in the Saudi kingdom most of the dead females are simply buried in the sands outside of any towns.

There are millions of missing women. Honor killings? Left to die as infants because they were girls? Medical treatment withheld later because they were women? Probably all three.

One can easily "see" the millions that are missing.
1) Go to CIA Factbook and look up the male/female ratio for the US.
at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.05 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
2) Assume the US is the "natural" rate, meaning that people are NOT being killed because of the sex in the US in any significant numbers.
3) Go to any other country - We'll start with Saudi Arabia
at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
The birth ratio is the same.
4) The total population of Saudi Arabia 15-64 years is male 9,470,353/female 7,284,696.
5) If it were the natural 1:1 ratio, there would be over 2 million more women.

Where are they?

Syria: 200,000 missing women
Afghanistan: 450,000 missing women
Bahrain: 60,000 missing women
Jordon: 270,000 missing women
Pakistan: 2,300,000 missing women

Etc.

462 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:30:59pm

re: #451 bolivar

The only known photograph of zombie

463 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:31:05pm
464 kansas  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:31:23pm

Kind of hard to stay positive about Muslims with this going on.

465 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:32:03pm

re: #453 Cato the Elder

Exactly. And by joining (and remaining) with a group that proposes exactly that - banning Muslims - Spencer gives ammunition to those PC idiots who associate telling the truth about jihad with un-Constitutional measures.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

And I'm not going to report that group. I'd like to see when and if Spencer decides to withdraw his membership.

Well, you can be quite certain that he knows we know about it, because he watches LGF's comments obsessively.

466 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:33:38pm

re: #452 pbird

I'm sorry. Its just a sore area. It seems as if the whole world is more concerned if the victim is pretty.or blond or whatever.

It's okay, and yes, I know - it's a running joke about Fox News, actually: "Which pretty blonde victim are they featuring tonight?" That is the nature of our society.

I honestly didn't mean it that way.

P.S. I also think bulldogs are cute! : )

467 BingoBunny  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:34:26pm

No mention if she had brought him a Valentine?

468 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:34:26pm

have a great afternoon all!

469 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:34:29pm

re: #461 Silhouette

re: #461 Silhouette

Wow! Those are eye-opening statistics. In China the gender imbalance was created by selective abortions. Your statistics show normal birth rates, but a significant drop in the whole population. Something is happening.

470 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:34:31pm

re: #457 ploome hineni

i sent the live leak video you posted about gaza to this arab individual...I want to send you his reply to me about the video


You can post here. I'd love to hear his opinion.

471 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:36:38pm
472 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:38:47pm

re: #471 ploome hineni

Sorry but I can't put my email up. Even with LGF Safemail I've had too many bad experiences.

473 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:41:33pm

re: #348 FrogMarch

7 house democrats voted NO. They must be thanked.

The democrat who voted present was the funniest.

474 Silhouette  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:41:39pm

re: #469 Kenneth

re: #461 Silhouette

Wow! Those are eye-opening statistics. In China the gender imbalance was created by selective abortions. Your statistics show normal birth rates, but a significant drop in the whole population. Something is happening.

And the "total missing women" numbers are more shocking when stated in percentages.

The 2.3 million missing women of Pakistan are "only" 4% of the 51 million women that should be there between 15-64.

But in Bahrain, the 60,000 missing women are 20% of the 288,000 women that should be there.

One out of five, dead.

475 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:42:07pm
476 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:42:13pm

If my daughter's husband murdered her, my sons, my brothers and brothers-in-law, my sisters and sisters-in-law and my nephews and nieces would raise hell. The man would have to turn himself into the police to protect himself. That's the western way.

477 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:47:56pm

re: #474 Silhouette

It's possible some percentage of women have moved away, changing the balance. But not that many. In Bahrain, there are also a lot of male foreign workers. Are they included in the statistics? It's not clear in that case, but overall there is something significant going on.

On top of it all, there are large numbers of young unmarried males with no prospects of a wife in this world. That's always bad news.

478 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:49:53pm

re: #475 ploome hineni

The apathy is appalling but not surprising.

479 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:50:44pm
480 Peacekeeper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:52:20pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

Sorry but I can't put my email up. Even with LGF Safemail I've had too many bad experiences.

Are you suggesting that there are vindictive people about?

481 FredWM  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:53:18pm

If I remember correctly, it's SECOND DEGREE because in New York first degree is reserved for killing a police officer. If an officer is not involved Second Degree is the top possible charge.

482 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:54:19pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

Sorry but I can't put my email up. Even with LGF Safemail I've had too many bad experiences.

That gave me an idea. I'm going to code it so that email addresses are only accessible to registered, logged in users.

483 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:55:59pm

re: #463 ploome hineni

moi?

I get on your last nerve?

NEVER

/must be the fish

Tiktaalik I think....

484 Peacekeeper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:56:06pm

re: #482 Charles

That gave me an idea. I'm going to code it so that email addresses are only accessible to registered, logged in users.


Maybe with a certain minimum number of posts to weed out trolls and sockies.

485 Silhouette  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:56:22pm

re: #477 Kenneth

In Bahrain, there are also a lot of male foreign workers. Are they included in the statistics?

Good catch.
Bahrain population:
718,306 note: includes 235,108 non-nationals (July 2008 est.)

I presume foreign workers would be mostly male, most between 15-64.

In SA, 5.5 million are foreign nationals.

486 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:57:03pm

re: #484 Peacekeeper

Maybe with a certain minimum number of posts to weed out trolls and sockies.

Earned priveleges through participation....

487 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:57:12pm
488 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:57:28pm

Let's see if it works.

489 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:57:51pm

Testing email embedding.

490 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:58:05pm

Guardian Writer: "Israel Has no Right to Exist", Connected to Islamist Websites


Faisal Bodi has written as many as 37 articles for a widely respected British newspaper, and who was at one time the editor of a radical Islamic Internet forum, Ummah News which is being used by extremists to target leading British Jews in revenge for Israel's invasion of Gaza.

And he's still writing for the Guardian.

491 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:58:15pm

re: #487 ploome hineni

what does that mean?

Tiktaalik is ancient fish.... it spoiled I think.

492 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:58:46pm

Groovy.

493 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:00:37pm

If you click the 'Show email' button, your name will only be an email link to registered, logged in users. This will also make it unnecessary to use the safemail program, because robots can't register and log in.

494 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:01:19pm

re: #492 Charles

While you have your tool box out, would it be possible to adjust the karma count to reveal the subtotal up-dings and subtotal down-dings? Currently, the karma number is the sum of those two counts.

Please and thank you.

495 Athos  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:02:59pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

All of this is just more wood on the fire.......reasons to just ignore Spencer and hold him with the same level of contempt as I do his fascist allies.

496 Athos  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:03:55pm

re: #493 Charles

Very nice addition!

497 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:04:21pm

re: #465 Charles

Well, you can be quite certain that he knows we know about it, because he watches LGF's comments obsessively.


Well maybe not after last night..You shredded him pretty good. Kudo's.

498 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:05:55pm
499 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:06:24pm

re: #482 Charles

That gave me an idea. I'm going to code it so that email addresses are only accessible to registered, logged in users.


That's a good idea but still it's the registered logged in lizards that I'm worried about. A lot of people who are my friends now may not like me so much in the future. I guess you know how that goes.
;)

500 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:07:02pm
501 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:08:11pm

re: #498 ploome hineni

am I missing something?

You said it must have been the fish earlier, I was agreeing.

502 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:08:46pm
503 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:09:13pm
504 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:10:56pm

I get mean emails all the time, but they all come from my mom...

505 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:13:35pm

re: #484 Peacekeeper

Maybe with a certain minimum number of posts to weed out trolls and sockies.


six months probation or 300 posts whichever comes first?

506 Athos  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:14:31pm

re: #504 Thanos

Me too!
/grin

507 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:14:45pm

re: #502 ploome hineni


Some idiots have been spreading the rumor that I'm Charles so I've had a few people think that they are yelling at him. It's all fair though because I'm sure Charles gets plenty of my hate mail too.

508 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:15:12pm

re: #499 Killgore Trout

That's a good idea but still it's the registered logged in lizards that I'm worried about. A lot of people who are my friends now may not like me so much in the future. I guess you know how that goes.
;)

Even if I argue vociferously on line, I would never think to send you mean and nasty emails.

509 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:16:33pm
510 Athos  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:18:17pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

My normal response is to consider the sources - you've termed them idiots, and I personally think, knowing of some of them, that's far too kind.

Perhaps I am old fashioned, or perhaps my political career is affecting me, but there is something really wrong about crossing from disagreement to stalking / threatening. (Then again, those who accuse you of being Charles aren't exactly mentally healthy to start with.)

511 Code Red 21  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:34:28pm

Wonder what silly thing the wife said or did to piss off the animal she married?

512 annar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:34:39pm

Our friends the Saudis lop off heads for just about anything from swearing to drug trafficing to murder. So far this year they're up to eight.

Perhaps this guy could use a little rendition; give him to to our ally for a rapid trial so he can be on the cutting edge of Islamic justice.

513 Ron Shaw  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:37:23pm

"...Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light."

RoP basking in and radiating 'positive light' worldwide!

514 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:37:51pm

re: #294 subsailor68

I don't quite understand So?:

Karma: 408

So?

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jul 1, 2006 at 1:19 pm
No. of comments posted: 5,632
No. of links posted: 274

I'm not familiar with this person, but it does seem odd to have that many postings with a Karma of only 408. How does that happen? Serious downdings?

Man, you must be So into me to post all my data for all to see. My show size is 8 by the way, for future reference. And I love peanut satay sauce in my stir frys. By the way, the only "karmic" points that count in my book are Life's Karma. And if you want to OBSESS over a beheading comment then go read this article that I posted in the spinoff links.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

I think the article presents far more pressing issues. But continue to So? me if that's your bag, man or woman. I really don't give a damn.

515 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:37:53pm
516 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:41:06pm

re: #514 So?

..and one more thing: Judge not lest ye be judged.

517 hazzyday  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:55:00pm

As noted in this FEAR book, a restraining order in a lot of case, A third I believe, from this book, is just an invitation to be assaulted. And let the social help system excuse themselves by saying "Well we tried".

Men that participate in this type of violence should be ridiculed to the extreme by the media and their families. That is how the message gets out.

Men that commit domestic violence are essentially dopes who can't express themselves verbally. A lower order on the evolutionary chain. To be sure there are some women are are extremely bitter and vindictive people. But the best solution in these cases is complete separation. The best preventative measure if the husband is violent is to actually find a couple of Hell's Angels to put a scare into him. Beat him up, knock his issues out of him. If he is not a total buffoon he'll back off once he can't be a bully. But sometime you run across the bottom of the genetic pit. De Becker shows how to handle those types also.

There is such a thing as foxhole humor which is part of the deeper psyche of people. They are there or been there, this is how this stuff is coped with. Some people do react to violence with surprise, some people don't react at all and suppress it.

The things that make me cringe when I read LGF
1. Mention of the word Nazi
2. Mention of the word Fuck
3. Off Color jokes(Very off color)
4. Blog static

Mostly because I sometimes read LGF at work and our filtering systems will highlight this stuff. 1-3 But I'll bear the cost on my end. I am not so concerned anymore about trying to regulate someone's sane behavior. If it becomes an issue at work, I would just stop it.

Humor is a tough call for me. I might be offended by it, someone else might not be. I can wake up some days and nothing is funny. Other days it can be something that is pretty weird. At my funeral I would rather people crack jokes about my past then worry how I died. Death is horrible, but if we react soberly to it all, then we to be only sober people. The beheading here is terrible and no person should have to die that way. The perp should be constantly shamed and in this case stripped of his religion.

518 syndicate  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:57:04pm

Typical. Hope that this is the end of his jihad TV venture.

519 hazzyday  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:00:33pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

Some idiots have been spreading the rumor that I'm Charles so I've had a few people think that they are yelling at him. It's all fair though because I'm sure Charles gets plenty of my hate mail too.

They are trying to get a rise out of you, but I think you beat them to the punch.

520 hazzyday  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:03:06pm

re: #499 Killgore Trout

That's a good idea but still it's the registered logged in lizards that I'm worried about. A lot of people who are my friends now may not like me so much in the future. I guess you know how that goes.
;)

What you are going to tell us that you are an Atheist or something? Or you're typing from solitary confinement?

521 leww37334  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:07:53pm

the surprise is that anyone is surprised.

522 justabill  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:09:06pm

*insert Austin Powers joke here*

523 The Optimist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:12:45pm
Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband — an influential member of the local Muslim community — reported her death to police Thursday.

sarcasm on
This guy fits the mold of a tried and true muslim. I am sure his standing in the muslim male community has skyrocketed. A real leader.
sarcasm off

On the other hand, his abused wife will be continue to be abused after death.

The local muslim community needs some adjustments.

524 CEQAttorney  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:13:18pm

Probably, the biggest reason it's second degree is because it's easier to convict someone for second degree murder than first degree murder.

The punishments are nearly the same (life in prison) given that the State of NY courts declared the Death Penalty unconstitutional, why go for the harder conviction?

525 Code Red 21  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:14:17pm

re: #515 ploome hineni

why do you ASSume the little woman had to do ANYTHING?

maybe he was late for breakfast and his coffee was 10 degrees cooler than he liked it?

I was being facetious I ASSume you are to.

526 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:30:13pm

re: #43 Charles

Probably because they believe it wasn't premeditated.

As far as I know, "premeditation" does not mean there has to be a significant amount of time between conceiving and carrying out the act. Something done in the heat of the moment, like grabbing a chair and beating someone to death with it, might be unpremeditated. But how do you not premeditate a beheading? You have to

1. Conceive the idea
2. Grab a knife
3. Catch the person
4. Hold her down
5. Saw off her head, which takes some time, all the while subduing her struggle.

I'd be surprised if they don't upgrade this to murder one.

527 paybacktime  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:46:18pm

"Bridges TV To NOWHERE"

528 Catttt  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:52:30pm

re: #514 So?

It's obvious that you DO give a damn, or you won't say you don't at such length and make excuses for yourself.

529 Throbert McGee  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 3:15:03pm

In a gesture of interfaith bridge-building, Mr. Hassan announced his intention to hire an "all-Jew" legal defense team.

/

530 Right Brain  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 3:29:21pm

"amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light."


In other words, to portray Muslims as they are not.

531 abolitionist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 3:30:25pm

re: #190 kafir lover

re: #118 ploome hineni

Here's the victim

Besides the obvious (that she was beautiful) I notice station equipment immediately behind her, and an internal door with what appear to be security-code locks, leading to another room. Anyone know if she worked at the TV station?

The internal security devices (electronic locks, etc) ought to be investigated. Recent code-changes, for example, could be compelling evidence of premeditation.

532 abolitionist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 3:34:20pm

re: #531 abolitionist

As to whether she worked there, clue here, from the link:

He further advised the Orchard Park Police Department that she was at their business, Bridges TV, in the Village of Orchard Park.
533 So?  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:18:25pm

re: #528 Catttt

It's obvious that you DO give a damn, or you won't say you don't at such length and make excuses for yourself.

I don't. Seeing my personal history up there is so fucking childish. That was my point. My LGF karma could be -1200 for all I care.

28,000 children under the age of five die of starvation each and every day, anyone give a damn about THEM?

534 infopimp  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:29:14pm

Update: Bridges TV link is down for "maintanence".

535 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:53:12pm

how gruesome.
and this roper is trying to portray moslems in a more positive light.
he has failed. he chopped his wife's head off.
this type of evil is inspired by islam,
it's that simple.

536 formercorpsman  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 5:15:53pm

He got an award:

[Link: pa.cair.com...]

537 k80nc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:14:36pm

It makes me a little nauseous to think about this happening to a human, but in my days as a veterinary technician I had the grim task of taking the head off of a few animals so they could be tested for rabies. The largest I ever dealt with was a 100+ pound German Shepherd. Obviously the animals were euthanized before hand, but the procedure was done over a table with a drain and nothing more than a #10 scalpel blade. Huge cutlery would have made the job much more difficult, so if this savage strangled her first, any sharp implement would suffice, even a pocket knife with a decent edge.

Got to go. I think I'll need a 6 pack of brain bleach before I go to bed tonight.
God have mercy on her.

538 PineCone  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:18:12pm

Are those Muslim guys wild and crazy or what? It looks like Hillary has her work cut out for her.

539 Arby Dwiar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:36:46pm

re: #42 stuiec

Buffalo... Buffalo... wasn't that in the news recently for some other horrific event?

Oh, yes -- the inexplicable crash of a commuter plane on approach to the airport, at about 2,500 feet in altitude and with no indication of anything wrong with the plane and no indication from the cockpit that there was any trouble on board.

Is it paranoid to imagine that someone might have been waiting near the airport's approach path with, say, a shoulder-fired antiaircraft rocket?

Try severe icing, you sh!thead.
Ignorance...

540 CaptainKid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:21:15pm

This is considered SECOND degree murder?!?

541 Kent64  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:17:00pm

In New York, 1st degree murder is capital punishment qualified murder. Since the laws allowing the death penalty were "found" to be unconstitutional by the New York Court of Appeals (New York's highest court. Oddly State Supreme court is an inferior court in New York to the Court of Appeals.). Thus 2nd degree murder is the most he could be charged for. It carries a 25 to life maximum penalty. They most definitely are not going to go easy on this guy. The Muslims in the community are embarrassed by this.

My surprise was that so little has been made of the case outside LGF and Hot Air. In Buffalo, the story was squeezed out by the plane crash news. (One of my fellow employees was the guy killed in his house by the crash.) BTW the plane crash was almost assuredly due to icing. There were many spin outs and accidents on the roads here in Buffalo this morning due to the fine sheet of ice left by the weather system the plane was flying in.

542 cartoonboy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:30:28pm

re: #222 cartoonboy

Sorry for my insensitive comment #222 on the Islamist TV Beheading. It was my sarcastic way of throwing up my hands at one more horrific act in a seemingly endless string of violence. The willful blindness of the msm and many liberal institutions to the enormity and hideous regularity of barbarisms perpetrated by the ROP is surreal. My early response to this when I first became aware of it was fear, disgust, and incredulity. I found that giving way to constant anger over this situation was making me bitter and I felt like I was playing into the hands of those who seek to destroy our civilization. Humor and mockery is my way of fighting back despair. My comment was a cry of outrage. The sarcasm I used to express it hit raw nerves and I apologize to anyone who took offense.

Charles, please delete that comment. Thanks.

543 paybacktime  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 7:32:23am

Maybe this scumbag can get the O.J. Simpson jury to weigh his guilt or innocence.

544 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 10:42:06am

re: #43 Charles

Probably because they believe it wasn't premeditated.

Charles -

New York Law - First Degree is killing a Police Officer or other Uniformed Service Personnel - Second Degree is for killing a "civilian."

-S-

545 Green Helmet Guy  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 5:39:02pm

Muzzammil Hassan: "The Devil Shaytan made me do it!"


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