Huckabee on Hannity: The Stimulus Bill Persecutes Christians

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Mike Huckabee is appearing on the Sean Hannity show on Fox News tonight, to throw some more red meat to fundamentalist zealots with his cretinous claim that the stimulus bill persecutes Christians.

Never mind that pesky Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. Huckabee wants to throw that under the bus.

“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution,” Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. “But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that’s what we need to do — to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view.”

UPDATE at 2/13/09 6:15:07 pm:

Fox News promoted Huckabee’s appearance all day with spots saying, “The stimulus bill is anti-Christian! They’re persecuting us!”

And then Huckabee didn’t say a word about it.

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1346 comments
1 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:03:53pm

Oh no!

2 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:04:32pm

re: #1 turn

I've got to go back and watch on the patio

bbl

3 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:05:11pm

Quick somebody pull the nails from his palms.

4 Lincolntf  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:05:12pm

Huckabee is a wicked choad.

5 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:05:14pm

Huckabee is promoted by the MSM for the very reason of making Christians look like fools.

6 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:05:19pm
7 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:05:27pm

He's not going to crawl back under his rock voluntarily, is he? He's going to run again in 2012, isn't he?

8 Last Mohican  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:05:43pm

Charles, if you're gonna keep reminding us about reality all the time, it's gonna be a really difficult two or three or ten years.

9 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:06:04pm

re: #5 zombie

Do you think that Hannity is doing it for that reason?

10 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:06:44pm
11 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:07:01pm

He should stick to playing bass, badly

12 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:07:10pm

He's making us bigger targets for the libtards.....sheesh.
The bottom line is we already are targets for the libtards. He's just making the bullseye larger so it's easier to hit us........
Thanks for the help, Mike.

13 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:07:45pm
14 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:07:47pm

"to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards "

Hey Huck - pssst ... above your or anyone else's pay-grade.

15 vxbush  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:08:00pm

re: #5 zombie

Huckabee is promoted by the MSM for the very reason of making Christians look like fools.

Yes, he is. Just like Pat Robertson is presented as the prototypical conservative.

Blech.

16 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:08:00pm

re: #11 Desert Dog

He should stick to playing bass, badly

Somewhere where I don't have to hear it.

17 Scion9  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:08:08pm

What exactly is Huckabee's case?

18 jaunte  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:08:19pm

re: #9 Dan G.

Hannity is not particularly smart, either.

19 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:08:31pm

re: #16 Charles

Somewhere where I don't have to hear it.

He should play a solo.....so low nobody can hear

20 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:08:31pm

Would it be too much to ask the GOP to throw Huckabee under the bus? He makes us look stupid, and he's driving a wedge between the religious right and small-government conservatives like me.

Also, I was going to go to dinner but, I've decided not to. The potential for troll meltdowns on this thread is too great for me to leave. They're too much fun to watch. >:)

21 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:08:35pm

Mr. Huckabee, your bass playing persecutes the memory of Charles Mingus.

22 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:08:40pm

re: #11 Desert Dog

He should stick to playing bass, badly

He should go back to overeating.

23 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:08:48pm
24 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:09:05pm

Yeh Mike, then Islam gets its turn. Then sciencetology. Then we'll need a Festivesfortherestofus.

25 kynna  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:09:06pm

re: #9 Dan G.

Do you think that Hannity is doing it for that reason?

Hannity will have any jagoff on his show. He acts like he's just giving people a chance to speak, but he doesn't actually give his opponents a chance. He doesn't let them get a neck-stretching word in edgewise.

Huckabee gave us McCain. I will never forget that.

26 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:09:08pm

re: #16 Charles

Somewhere where I don't have to hear it.

He has such mushy intonation. Something like that's gotta make you cringe, huh?

27 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:09:23pm
28 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:10:07pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

Would it be too much to ask the GOP to throw Huckabee under the bus? He makes us look stupid, and he's driving a wedge between the religious right and small-government conservatives like me.

Also, I was going to go to dinner but, I've decided not to. The potential for troll meltdowns on this thread is too great for me to leave. They're too much fun to watch. >:)

Unfortunately, that ain't gonna happen. In fact, the GOP is getting ready to put up Huckabee and Bobby Jindal as the shining hopes of the party.

29 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:10:10pm

Looks like he's gotten to one of us. Taxfree's speaking in tongues.

30 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:10:11pm

Meanwhile, the fascists feel emboldened. Will the first amendment hold up against the left-wing fascists? stay tuned.

31 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:10:30pm

re: #27 taxfreekiller

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Watch your language, TFK, there are ladies present

32 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:10:40pm
33 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:11:05pm

re: #28 Charles

Unfortunately, that ain't gonna happen. In fact, the GOP is getting ready to put up Huckabee and Bobby Jindal as the shining hopes of the party.

We're doomed. [facepalm]

34 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:11:25pm

re: #26 Noam Sayin'

He has such mushy intonation. Something like that's gotta make you cringe, huh?

Imagine how The Osmonds records sounded -then remove the soul. That's him.

35 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:11:29pm
36 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:11:42pm

I am not watching FNC tonight. Simpson's marathon is on.

37 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:11:44pm

re: #9 Dan G.

Do you think that Hannity is doing it for that reason?

Hannity is also on Fox's payroll. He does what they tell him to do. Fox shows constantly do "cross-promotion" like this -- it's one of Fox's hallmarks.

The decision came down: we need a buffoonish Christian on the air, to simaultaneously attract the attention of other buffoonish Christians and the attention of people who like to laugh a Christians. A win-win situation.

Sorta like professional wrestling -- it appeals to the yahoos and to the people who watch it as camp.

Heck, I even used to watch Wally George and that other whackced out preacherr guy from the LA suburbs in the '80s -- for the sheer kitsch value. Huckabee is on that same level -- except he doesn't even realize it.

38 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:11:46pm

O. Dear. God.

I thought we are the party that does NOT want to change the the constitution.


I hope Fox gets rid of Huckabee soon.

39 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:11:51pm

re: #5 zombie

Huckabee is promoted by the MSM for the very reason of making Christians look like fools.

turn got outfoxed by firefox there. Lost my comment and got booted out to OS. At any rate back now: something like is there any hope for the republicans is they don't stop mixing religion with politics?

40 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:11:56pm

I wonder if Huckabee had dimples when he was really fat? You know, like a woman's navel disappears when she's nine months pregnant.

41 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:11:56pm

re: #23 taxfreekiller

Bring back skelator,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Quick, someone hand tfk a shot of whiskey!

/better make that a bottle.

42 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:12:10pm

good grief....everything seems to piss me off...Huck is a whiner with huge shoes and a big red round nose...unfortunately half of stupid America will take this Bozo serious

43 vapig  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:12:17pm

This man is a fool. The Constitution as it was written was perfectly respectfull to those of faith. It's the tools who've been chipping away at it that are the problem.

44 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:12:35pm

re: #15 vxbush

Yes, he is. Just like Pat Robertson is presented as the prototypical conservative.

Bingo. Good parallel.

45 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:12:39pm

re: #29 Noam Sayin'

Looks like he's gotten to one of us. Taxfree's speaking in tongues.

I think TFK is just incoherent with rage. Watching a dunderhead ruin your party can do that to you.

46 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:12:57pm

That was nice. Fox News promoted Huckabee's appearance all day by saying "the stimulus bill is anti-Christian! They're persecuting us!"

And then Huckabee didn't say a word about it.

47 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:13:05pm

re: #27 taxfreekiller

[ ajcaoiefjj[0 vru;mv;o ji3wru H[S[Qpercug[jfwuyerp3u [U2Y

Hey, tonight I can understand that. Ha!

48 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:13:40pm

re: #39 turn

if turn if. Jeeze time to give up

49 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:13:50pm

re: #43 vapig

This man is a fool. The Constitution as it was written was perfectly respectfull to those of faith. It's the tools who've been chipping away at it that are the problem.

Yep. The farther away from it we get, the worse America becomes.

50 winston06  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:13:50pm

re: #46 Charles

he probably knows most people don't like his silly views

51 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:14:00pm

re: #27 taxfreekiller

EXACTLY... wait, huh?

52 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:14:07pm

re: #27 taxfreekiller

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Banging your head on the keyboard? I think I'll join in.

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53 Truck Monkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:14:28pm

re: #16 Charles

Somewhere where I don't have to hear it.

Hope AR.

54 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:14:49pm

Remember the well spoken witness in "The Ghost and Mr. Chicken", that was a reputable scientist with all kinds of letters in front and behind his name who answered, "On Mars!" when asked where he last met with the other members of his "Paranormal Investigative Society"...?.........kinda like that, the Huck' be...........

55 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:15:02pm
56 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:15:03pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

I think TFK is just incoherent with rage. Watching a dunderhead ruin your party can do that to you.

Upding for the use of dunderhead.

57 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:15:06pm

re: #37 zombie

Thanks.

58 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:15:08pm

re: #24 screaming_eagle

Yeh Mike, then Islam gets its turn. Then sciencetology. Then we'll need a Festivesfortherestofus.

And Pastafarianism!
(I'd prefer that to Islam and ScienceFictionology. At least their afterlife has a stripper factory and a beer volcano!)

59 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:15:10pm

re: #28 Charles

Unfortunately, that ain't gonna happen. In fact, the GOP is getting ready to put up Huckabee and Bobby Jindal as the shining hopes of the party.

Oh boy, I better move my "write a manifesto for a new political party" to the front burner, if that's the case. No way am I gonna vote for a moonbat socialist like Obama, but also no way am I gonna vote for some nut who wants to convene a Constitutional Convention to insert an official US national religion and X-out the first amendment.

60 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:15:14pm

re: #27 taxfreekiller

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Typo. I fixed it.

61 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:15:27pm

Hey, Huckabee! Are they scrawling "All Christians must die!" in Arkansas yet? Flyers on your porch explaining why you are going to hell? Emails (badly written) abusing you and your ideals?

The stimulus bill is anti-intelligence, certainly, but it is not the government's responsibility to build or maintain your place of worship.

62 vapig  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:15:44pm

re: #28 Charles

Unfortunately, that ain't gonna happen. In fact, the GOP is getting ready to put up Huckabee and Bobby Jindal as the shining hopes of the party.

Oh that's just lovely! They've doing that because they threw us under the bus during the last election. This isn't what we (Christians) want. We want real, small government, fiscal conservatism back as a party platform.

63 kynna  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:15:48pm

re: #43 vapig

This man is a fool. The Constitution as it was written was perfectly respectfull to those of faith. It's the tools who've been chipping away at it that are the problem.

How many people have risked their lives coming to these shores and fighting for this nation especially because of our constitution. The Founding Fathers did not intend for some Jim Bakker retread to up with this nonsense.

64 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:15:50pm

re: #46 Charles

That was nice. Fox News promoted Huckabee's appearance all day by saying "the stimulus bill is anti-Christian! They're persecuting us!"

And then Huckabee didn't say a word about it.

I did not read the entire bill, but I did not see dollar set aside for extra lions down at the coliseum, nor one program for crucifixion mentioned.

I did see quite of bit of anti-capitalism though

65 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:16:20pm

heh...I thought I just heard Charles say the GOP will put up Huck and Jindal for the big run in '12...I'm sure I misread that

66 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:16:32pm

Could we call Huckabee, Palin and Jindal the GOP's Holy Trinity?

67 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:16:47pm

The stimulus will persecute everyone who is not in government.

68 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:16:52pm

Fox - please yank Huck. No one cares.

69 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:17:25pm
70 freedomplow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:17:30pm

re: #44 zombie

Zombie, is the woman in this video holding the microphone to the right for Henrietta Hughes @ :41 Jodie Evans?

71 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:17:45pm

re: #59 zombie

May I be invited to read your manifesto as soon as its available?

72 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:17:51pm

re: #65 albusteve

heh...I thought I just heard Charles say the GOP will put up Huck and Jindal for the big run in '12...I'm sure I misread that

They will be on the Creationist Exorcism ticket.

73 kynna  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:17:58pm

re: #66 Salamantis

Could we call Huckabee, Palin and Jindal the GOP's Holy Trinity?

Palin has never, ever shown the likelihood of being like the other two. Your bigotry is showing.

74 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:17:59pm

re: #66 Salamantis

Could we call Huckabee, Palin and Jindal the GOP's Holy Trinity?

why Yes We Can!

76 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:19:07pm

re: #72 HelloDare

They will be on the Creationist Exorcism ticket.

oh gawd...my head is spinning already

77 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:19:23pm

it persecutes us all

78 Shay4l  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:19:29pm

Your search - [ ajcaoiefjj[0 vru;mv;o ji3wru H[S[Qpercug[jfwuyerp3u [U2Y - did not match any documents.

79 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:19:32pm

re: #75 Charles

Gov. Jindal gets GOP response slot to Obama's Feb. 24 Congress speech.

Michael Steele's first action as the RNC Grand Poobah?

80 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:19:55pm

re: #46 Charles

That was nice. Fox News promoted Huckabee's appearance all day by saying "the stimulus bill is anti-Christian! They're persecuting us!"

And then Huckabee didn't say a word about it.

Maybe he knew you were primed :)

81 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:20:14pm

re: #37 zombie

Hannity is also on Fox's payroll. He does what they tell him to do. Fox shows constantly do "cross-promotion" like this -- it's one of Fox's hallmarks.

The decision came down: we need a buffoonish Christian on the air, to simaultaneously attract the attention of other buffoonish Christians and the attention of people who like to laugh a Christians. A win-win situation.

Sorta like professional wrestling -- it appeals to the yahoos and to the people who watch it as camp.

Heck, I even used to watch Wally George and that other whackced out preacherr guy from the LA suburbs in the '80s -- for the sheer kitsch value. Huckabee is on that same level -- except he doesn't even realize it.

I would like to point out that Glenn Beck, who is LDS, (Mormon) like myself, is focusing on 12 core values:
Honesty
Reverence
Hope
Thrift
Humility
Charity
Sincerity
Moderation
Hard Work
Courage
Personal Responsibility
Friendship

The point being that the more we improve ourselves along these lines the clearer our thinking will become, and we will make better decisions, while the values are something that creates a common bond among us regardless of our individual faith.

Mike Huckabee was the keynote speaker at a large anti-Mormon conference in Salt Lake City. I put much of the blame for Romney's loss against McCain on Huckabee and the anti-mormon sentiment that he fomented.

82 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:20:25pm

re: #78 Shay4l

Your search - [ ajcaoiefjj[0 vru;mv;o ji3wru H[S[Qpercug[jfwuyerp3u [U2Y - did not match any documents.

Cuz the stimulas is in PDF format.

83 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:20:38pm

The MFMSM is complicit in giving us a one party system by making the Republicans look like loonies while hiding all the looniness in the Democrats.
And they'll make sure that any third party gets buried before it even starts, unless it is loony enough for entertainment but not votes.

84 jorline  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:20:46pm

Hannity: Senator, what is an urban canel?

Hey Sean...it's called a benjo ditch in Japan.

85 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:20:53pm

Michael Steele was filling in for Bill Bennett on the radio this morning. Seemed like a level headed guy. Said all the right thing when I heard him. Let's hope he isn't creationist friendly, too. Anybody know?

86 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:20:53pm

re: #75 Charles

Gov. Jindal gets GOP response slot to Obama's Feb. 24 Congress speech.

If I wanted to mess the Dems for the GOP response.. I'd put Sarah on..
Now THAT would be must-see TV!

87 Last Mohican  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:20:59pm

re: #46 Charles

That was nice. Fox News promoted Huckabee's appearance all day by saying "the stimulus bill is anti-Christian! They're persecuting us!"

And then Huckabee didn't say a word about it.

My fear is that Fox News is going to try to preserve its viewership by veering as violently to the right as possible, and stirring up as much irrational rage as possible in the process.

My bigger fear is that the Republican Party is going to try to excite its fundraising base by doing the same thing. And then we'll be left with two political parties full of raving lunatics, and nothing else to choose from.

88 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:21:11pm

re: #40 HelloDare

I wonder if Huckabee had dimples when he was really fat? You know, like a woman's navel disappears when she's nine months pregnant.

Have you seen the pictures of his obese family. it is very embarrassing - and sad.

89 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:21:15pm

re: #70 freedomplow

Zombie, is the woman in this video holding the microphone to the right for Henrietta Hughes @ :41 Jodie Evans?

Nope, that's not Jodie Evans.

Here's a picture I took of Jodie. She's more angular than the woman in the video.

90 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:21:25pm

re: #55 taxfreekiller

I'll have to take your word on the TFK.
Thanks

91 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:21:36pm

re: #71 Dan G.

May I be invited to read your manifesto as soon as its available?

Of course!

Now, give me a couple years....

92 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:21:48pm

re: #28 Charles

Unfortunately, that ain't gonna happen. In fact, the GOP is getting ready to put up Huckabee and Bobby Jindal as the shining hopes of the party.

Ugh! Just at the moment I thought the GOP was under sufficient environmental pressure to evolve, Charles throws these two monkey into the mix.

93 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:21:57pm

re: #79 Desert Dog

Michael Steele's first action as the RNC Grand Poobah?

That's right. Damn. That answers my question at #85. Damn. Damn Damn.

94 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:22:01pm

Jindal is not the answer....
stay put Bobby

95 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:22:14pm

re: #85 HelloDare

You could write or call him.

96 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:22:16pm

re: #87 Last Mohican

My fear is that Fox News is going to try to preserve its viewership by veering as violently to the right as possible, and stirring up as much irrational rage as possible in the process.

Sharm calls them a moby network. I think she's right.

97 Truck Monkey  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:22:23pm

re: #68 FrogMarch

Fox - please yank Huck. No one cares.

Sounds dirty. ; )

I am off to yank my Huck.

98 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:22:24pm

re: #73 kynna

Palin has never, ever shown the likelihood of being like the other two. Your bigotry is showing.

Sal's not a bigot. I agree that Sarah Palin is not in the same boat as those other two: She respects the 1st Amendment and does not seek to impose creationism in the schools. That said, please be careful with the bigot card, it was wrongly played here.

99 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:22:36pm

Huck is reconstructionism light, a watered down version of the Calvinism underlying some of the more activist strands of Christian groups. Here's the real hard core Reconstructionist perspective, please note this is only a very small percent of all Christians:

Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical "warfare" is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy (abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency, and, in the case of women, "unchastity before marriage."
According to Gary North, women who have abortions should be publicly executed, "along with those who advised them to abort their children." Rushdoony concludes: "God's government prevails, and His alternatives are clear-cut: either men and nations obey His laws, or God invokes the death penalty against them." Reconstructionists insist that "the death penalty is the maximum, not necessarily the mandatory penalty." However, such judgments may depend less on Biblical Principles than on which faction gains power in the theocratic republic. The potential for bloodthirsty episodes on the order of the Salem witchcraft trials or the Spanish Inquisition is inadvertently revealed by Reconstructionist theologian Rev. Ray Sutton, who claims that the Reconstructed Biblical theocracies would be "happy" places, to which people would flock because "capital punishment is one of the best evangelistic tools of a society."

The Biblically approved methods of execution include burning (at the stake for example), stoning, hanging, and "the sword." Gary North, the self-described economist of Reconstructionism, prefers stoning because, among other things, stones are cheap, plentiful, and convenient. Punishments for non-capital crimes generally involve whipping, restitution in the form of indentured servitude, or slavery. Prisons would likely be only temporary holding tanks, prior to imposition of the actual sentence.

100 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:23:04pm

re: #88 DistantThunder

Have you seen the pictures of his obese family. it is very embarrassing - and sad.

Yeah, it's like they all sat on an air hose before the photo.

101 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:23:14pm

re: #59 zombie

WRITE IT!

102 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:23:35pm

re: #96 Fat Jolly Penguin

Sharm calls them a moby network. I think she's right.

no shit....FOX is poison

103 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:24:00pm

re: #85 HelloDare

Michael Steele was filling in for Bill Bennett on the radio this morning. Seemed like a level headed guy. Said all the right thing when I heard him. Let's hope he isn't creationist friendly, too. Anybody know?

he studied to be a priest, but he's very smart. I'd be surprised if he was a creationist.

104 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:24:10pm

re: #75 Charles

Gov. Jindal gets GOP response slot to Obama's Feb. 24 Congress speech.

Say it ain't so, Charles! Say it ain't so!

[Dark_Falcon returns to beating his head against the wall.]

105 freedomplow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:24:22pm

re: #89 zombie

Nope, that's not Jodie Evans.

Here's a picture I took of Jodie. She's more angular than the woman in the video.

Thanks Zombie.

106 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:24:56pm

re: #95 Dan G.

You could write or call him.

I'll do that. I sent him money when he was running for Senate.

107 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:25:10pm

huckabee persecutes squirrels.

108 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:25:20pm

re: #55 taxfreekiller

He is an ordained Baptist minister...long article, from Newsweak, from a few years ago.

I am not a fan of his, to put it mildly, and it has nothing to do with religion, but the person...and he sucks big time.

I don't know what direction Fox is trying to go in, giving him a program, but they are, I will bet, losing viewers.

109 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:25:36pm

re: #89 zombie

Nope, that's not Jodie Evans.

Here's a picture I took of Jodie. She's more angular than the woman in the video.

Angular, as in obtuse?

110 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:26:18pm

re: #75 Charles

Oh, no! Say it ain't so! Please?

111 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:26:25pm

The stimulus bill in anti- American.

/a trillion dollars worth of Bonkey bull[expletive deleted] we can't even afford

112 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:26:34pm

re: #73 kynna

Palin has never, ever shown the likelihood of being like the other two. Your bigotry is showing.

I was referring to the fact that all three appeal to the same religious socon democraphic. I do note that Palin, unlike the other two, has governed as a libertarian, and not as a theocrat.

113 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:26:39pm

re: #91 zombie

Of course!

Now, give me a couple years....

If you make it a LGF project it might not take that long. Seriously ...

114 Shay4l  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:26:45pm

re: #89 zombie

Nope, that's not Jodie Evans.

Here's a picture I took of Jodie. She's more angular than the woman in the video.

GAH! My eyes

115 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:26:52pm

re: #81 DistantThunder

I would like to point out that Glenn Beck, who is LDS, (Mormon) like myself, is focusing on 12 core values:
Honesty
Reverence
Hope
Thrift
Humility
Charity
Sincerity
Moderation
Hard Work
Courage
Personal Responsibility
Friendship

The point being that the more we improve ourselves along these lines the clearer our thinking will become, and we will make better decisions, while the values are something that creates a common bond among us regardless of our individual faith.

Mike Huckabee was the keynote speaker at a large anti-Mormon conference in Salt Lake City. I put much of the blame for Romney's loss against McCain on Huckabee and the anti-mormon sentiment that he fomented.

I've only seen and heard a bit of Glenn Beck, but from what I've seen he's much more focused on values, and less on specific religious dogma. Which means I have much greater respect for him. Of all the right-wing pundits, he seems among the most affable. (Though he may have flaws I am unaware of -- like I said, I'm not that familiar with him.)

If someone wants to promote excellent moral values -- i.e. those values in theory promoted by Christianity and Judaism in general -- I'm all for it. But if someone wants to promote or enforce specific religious beliefs and dogma, within the secular sphere -- that's where I put my foot down.

116 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:27:16pm

re: #108 NY Nana

He is an ordained Baptist minister...long article, from Newsweak, from a few years ago.

I am not a fan of his, to put it mildly, and it has nothing to do with religion, but the person...and he sucks big time.

I don't know what direction Fox is trying to go in, giving him a program, but they are, I will bet, losing viewers.

Between Huckabee and Beck Fox is becoming unwatchable (not to mention the Hannity waste of time).

117 jaunte  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:27:25pm

re: #99 Thanos

What a pleasant little fellow Gary North is.

While lauding the free market, he does his best to blow global problems out of proportion in the hopes that society might crumble and be replaced with a Fundamentalist Christian apparatus. In his wryly-titled 1987 essay The Plague Has Come at Last, North predicted millions of death by AIDS, full hospitals by 1992.


[Link: www.nndb.com...]

118 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:27:31pm

re: #109 turn

Angular, as in obtuse?

;)

Youtube Video
119 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:27:59pm

re: #75 Charles

Gov. Jindal gets GOP response slot to Obama's Feb. 24 Congress speech.

Jindal has the smarts and the political inclinations to have been someone the GOP could have used as a standard bearer, but he torpedoed that in our minds because of his propensity to bring his religious views into his public policy decisions (such as the ID bill). At this point, I still trust Palin more than Jindal to keep their religious beliefs out of their policy decisions and I hope she can get some more positive national exposure in the next couple of years to counter the MSM smear job that was done to her during the last campaign.

Huckabee is still just a huckster...

120 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:28:20pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

Whoops! GMTA, but you type much faster! ;)

121 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:28:31pm

re: #115 zombie

Beck is a shill for creationists and Ron Paul. He's an idiot.

122 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:28:45pm

re: #117 jaunte

What a pleasant little fellow Gary North is.


[Link: www.nndb.com...]

His middle name is KILGORE....hahahahahahaha

123 jorline  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:30:21pm

I hate to admit it, but I miss Alan Colmes.

Hannity's new show sucks...it's a one hour cut/paste video of his three hour radio show.

124 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:30:32pm

re: #85 HelloDare

Michael Steele was filling in for Bill Bennett on the radio this morning. Seemed like a level headed guy. Said all the right thing when I heard him. Let's hope he isn't creationist friendly, too. Anybody know?


You can be creationist friendly and not be a nut job. Its the extremists that I worry about.

125 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:30:50pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Beck is a shill for creationists and Ron Paul. He's an idiot.

Seriously? I was unaware of that.

I've seen about five minutes of his show, and heard about half an hour of radio, all combined. Never heard anything about Ron Paul or evolution.

126 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:31:05pm

re: #118 gmsc

Ha! I prefer led zep and classic rock!

127 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:31:21pm

politics and religion DO NOT MIX...I dont care if some bloviates 1000 words on our Judeo/Christian heritage or not...where the rubber hits the road we need this distinct separation...Huck is a fool...the religious right will not save conservatism...it's a bad rabbit and FOX TV is in it for their cut...fuck them

128 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:31:32pm

re: #117 jaunte

Whoa.

Other handy quotables by North include "When people curse their parents, it unquestionably is a capital crime."

129 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:31:46pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Beck is a shill for creationists and Ron Paul. He's an idiot.

That's interesting KG, thanks.

130 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:31:49pm

re: #117 jaunte

What a pleasant little fellow Gary North is.


[Link: www.nndb.com...]

Demagogues need crisis to get people to listen and go along. Something our current President knows as well...

131 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:32:21pm

re: #119 talon_262

Palin seems less inclined to push stuff like "academic freedom" but she's still in favor of amending the constitution to reflect her religious hatred of homosexuals. The Republicans seem like they're going to try to revert to outdated Regan era social conservatism. It won't work. Hopefully they'll stumble upon a more libertarian version of conservatism by the end of Obama's second term.

132 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:32:26pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Beck is a shill for creationists and Ron Paul. He's an idiot.

There are so few of us perfect people left huh?

133 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:32:50pm

re: #126 turn

Ha! I prefer led zep and classic rock!

as well you should...respect your elders

134 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:33:05pm
135 vxbush  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:33:13pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Beck is a shill for creationists and Ron Paul. He's an idiot.

Do you have a link to support that? Not doubting you; just need something a bit more in the way of proof.

My frustration with Hannity is that he hasn't given credit to other media folks for the stories he gives. He makes it out like he's done the work, when he hasn't. I know of two stories where that is the case.

136 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:33:13pm

re: #125 zombie

Seriously? I was unaware of that.

I've seen about five minutes of his show, and heard about half an hour of radio, all combined. Never heard anything about Ron Paul or evolution.

It's true.

Glenn Beck promoting Ben Stein's creationist movie:

Youtube Video

Glenn Beck promoting Ron Paul:

Youtube Video
137 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:33:15pm

re: #128 Fat Jolly Penguin

Whoa.

By that standard, I'd be dead by now.

138 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:33:48pm

re: #133 albusteve

ok

139 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:33:57pm

I've never ever ever liked Huck..He blows
OT: LaBrick James is doing color on the NBA rookie game tonight..
He is such a likable well spoken smart young man.. I tease him but he has values, loves kids and is a great dad.. A real role model for players in the NBA.
I'll never root for you King James..But I really respect you and Kudos!

141 vxbush  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:34:16pm

re: #136 Charles

It's true.

Glenn Beck promoting Ben Stein's creationist movie:


[Video]

Ah. Thanks.

142 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:34:34pm

Tag Romne on Hannity - never heard him speak before--

143 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:34:38pm

re: #136 Charles

It's true.

Glenn Beck promoting Ben Stein's creationist movie:


[Video]

Oh, just great.

Cross another one off my list.

Now I'm down to...

....

...none.

144 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:34:46pm

re: #125 zombie

Ben Stein on Glenn Beck's show about Intelligent Design

Youtube Video

Ron Paul Interviewed By Glenn Beck

Youtube Video
145 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:34:48pm

re: #126 turn

Ha! I prefer led zep and classic rock!

Don't forget Pink Floyd!

146 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:35:07pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Beck is a shill for creationists and Ron Paul. He's an idiot.

I've listened to Beck on and off for at least the past few years and, I must say, I've missed anything like what you're saying. Proof please?

147 vxbush  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:35:07pm

re: #143 zombie

Oh, just great.

Cross another one off my list.

Now I'm down to...

....

...none.

Same here....

148 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:35:17pm

re: #135 vxbush

I trust KG on this, but the background would be interesting.

OT wow, I like on the fly spell check with firefox

149 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:35:19pm

re: #126 turn

Ha! I prefer led zep and classic rock!

(To the tune of Stairway to Heaven)

There's a lady who's sure
All that glitters is pork
And she's selling a stimulus package
When it's passed, we're sure
That the stores will be closed
And with a word we will get all screwed.

150 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:35:19pm

re: #136 Charles

heh. Your Web-fu is too fast for me.

151 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:35:32pm

re: #116 The Shadow Do

Between Huckabee and Beck Fox is becoming unwatchable (not to mention the Hannity waste of time).

And add O'Reilly and Geraldo to the list. This is not the Fox network that I watched so much. Feh.

All we have left is this:

Youtube Video
152 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:35:37pm

re: #136 Charles

It's true.

Glenn Beck promoting Ben Stein's creationist movie:


Glenn Beck promoting Ron Paul:


[Video]

Are there no defenders of science left in the upper ranks of the consevative movement? Anyone? Bueller?

153 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:35:42pm
154 vxbush  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:35:56pm

re: #148 turn

I trust KG on this, but the background would be interesting.

OT wow, I like on the fly spell check with firefox

I trust him too; please don't understand me. But when making such statements, solid proof is good to have. Charles just beat KT to it.

155 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:35:57pm

re: #138 turn

ok

I know you do...good on ya...there is a lifeline to everything

156 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:36:10pm

By the way, Ron Paul will be speaking at CPAC this year. Along with Ann Coulter and a gaggle of creationist politicians and far-right Christian groups.

Just sayin'.

157 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:37:13pm

re: #28 Charles

Unfortunately, that ain't gonna happen. In fact, the GOP is getting ready to put up Huckabee and Bobby Jindal as the shining hopes of the party.

Fortunately, the Libertarian Party isn't tarred with this nonsense. The RR will harp on the LP's position on drugs to which it will respond by pointing at Huckabee and Jindal -- "maybe they *should* smoke a bowl". (I'm not sure I want to do a seance stoned though.)

158 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:37:16pm

Huckabee, is more accurately spelled A-R-K-A-N-S-A-S.

159 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:37:42pm

Where is the wooden stake when you need one?

160 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:37:43pm

I'm maintaining my independence from CPAC, as I always have, in spite of a LOT of pressure to participate.

161 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:37:48pm

re: #119 talon_262

I agree that Palin has potential, but must work very hard to mature politically. I have no idea what she can do specifically, but the populist thing has already worn thin through. How does one gain a serious perspective on global and economic affairs while moose hunting? Answer is one doesn't. Short of an executive position with a global energy firm or somesuch for the next few years, she is done.

"There is no greater burden than a great potential"
- Charlie Brown

162 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:38:14pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

heh. Your Web-fu is too fast for me.

You need to consider buying these to keep up...
[Link: store.nike.com...]

163 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:38:31pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Man, you and Charles do think alike!

164 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:38:46pm

re: #156 Charles

By the way, Ron Paul will be speaking at CPAC this year. Along with Ann Coulter and a gaggle of creationist politicians and far-right Christian groups.

Just sayin'.

well that is unfortunate, but i can't vote for the libs and third parties don't do too well in a two party system.....so while i'm registered as a republican i'm really just a conservative forced to vote for them

165 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:39:05pm

re: #146 talon_262

Charles answered my question....never mind then.

I like Beck and he makes some good points about values, but shilling for RP! and creationists gives him some mental demerits in my mind.

166 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:39:53pm

re: #145 Salamantis

Don't forget Pink Floyd!

Right on digiridoo

167 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:39:55pm

re: #164 phoenixgirl

well that is unfortunate, but i can't vote for the libs and third parties don't do too well in a two party system.....so while i'm registered as a republican i'm really just a conservative forced to vote for them

Kinda like our dear Senior Senator, eh?

168 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:39:58pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

heh. Your Web-fu is too fast for me.

imagine that...I type with two fingers...every post puts me way behind on a quick moving thread...it's a curse...and btw thanks for the Condell link

169 nanook  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:40:03pm

re: #115 zombie

I've only seen and heard a bit of Glenn Beck, but from what I've seen he's much more focused on values, and less on specific religious dogma. Which means I have much greater respect for him. Of all the right-wing pundits, he seems among the most affable. (Though he may have flaws I am unaware of -- like I said, I'm not that familiar with him.)

If someone wants to promote excellent moral values -- i.e. those values in theory promoted by Christianity and Judaism in general -- I'm all for it. But if someone wants to promote or enforce specific religious beliefs and dogma, within the secular sphere -- that's where I put my foot down.

I personally favor: Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful,Thrifty, Brave, Clean and Reverent. ( Also, Be Prepared). These have always seemed a pretty decent set of values to me, and to Boy Scouts everywhere.

170 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:40:14pm
171 jorline  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:40:21pm

re: #136 Charles

It's true.

Glenn Beck promoting Ben Stein's creationist movie:


[Video]

Beck's radio show is pure doom and gloom.
If I have him on in the morning I start looking for a knife to slit my wrist...thankfully, all I have are plastic knives in the restaurant.

172 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:40:35pm

More Bocephus!

Youtube Video
173 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:41:02pm

re: #156 Charles

By the way, Ron Paul will be speaking at CPAC this year. Along with Ann Coulter and a gaggle of creationist politicians and far-right Christian groups.

Just sayin'.

Great, just great.

I gotta get crackin' on that essay.

Seriously, it's at least a two- or three-month project.

But at this point, there is no named ideology remaining with which I feel confortable. Complete psychopaths have already taken over and destroyed "liberalism," and now it looks like "conservativsm" is headed down an equivalent path.

What is left for poor zombie?

The only option is to invent (or at least identify) my own ideology.

174 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:41:06pm

re: #149 Kosh's Shadow

(To the tune of Stairway to Heaven)

There's a lady who's sure
All that glitters is pork
And she's selling a stimulus package
When it's passed, we're sure
That the stores will be closed
And with a word we will get all screwed.

and theeers an O'way to heaven ...

175 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:41:09pm

re: #170 taxfreekiller

Obama is speaking with a forked tongue any time any where and is a sick commie loon. He is a creation of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and George Soros, and they now control the whole of the U.S.A. and they are dragging it and all of us in the an evil abyss.

But besides that, he's doing great!

176 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:41:25pm

re: #167 Desert Dog

Kinda like our dear Senior Senator, eh?

yep, but i won't ever vote for him again, for real this time!

177 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:41:56pm

re: #169 nanook

I personally favor: Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful,Thrifty, Brave, Clean and Reverent. ( Also, Be Prepared). These have always seemed a pretty decent set of values to me, and to Boy Scouts everywhere.

As the mother, wife, daughter of scouters, I have to tell you that you left one out. I have it on good authority that it properly is said:

A scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful,Thrifty, Brave, Clean and Reverent...and hungry.

178 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:42:14pm

re: #139 HoosierHoops

I've never ever ever liked Huck..He blows
OT: LaBrick James is doing color on the NBA rookie game tonight..
He is such a likable well spoken smart young man.. I tease him but he has values, loves kids and is a great dad.. A real role model for players in the NBA.
I'll never root for you King James..But I really respect you and Kudos!

He is an awesome player, maybe the best ever before he is done. And I don't live anywhere near Cleveland! I would take the entire roster of any team out there, including my Mavs, and trade it for LeBron.

179 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:42:31pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

heh. Your Web-fu is too fast for me.

that's fu-web KG, much faster. Ha.

180 Summer Seale  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:42:35pm

I'm really scared at this point as to what is happening in the GOP.

The loudmouths are shouting everyone down who isn't a creationist and a die-hard conservative, claiming that it is because of us that they lost the election.

And the more they do it, they louder they get about having to reform the party as some sort of new "Moral Majority".

I think it's going to be very ugly if they continue down this road. Almost thirty years ago, people were talking about Reagan Democrats. Now, people are going to be talking about JFK Republicans or something....because our voices in the GOP have almost completely been shut out.

181 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:42:38pm

re: #169 nanook

I personally favor: Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful,Thrifty, Brave, Clean and Reverent. ( Also, Be Prepared). These have always seemed a pretty decent set of values to me, and to Boy Scouts everywhere.

Boy Scouts are evil, didn't you get the memo? They don't even sell cookies!

(My middle son is just about an Eagle)

182 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:43:37pm

BO will not make the third turn...he will fail in the backstretch...the pressure will take him out...he is small time in the Big Game

183 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:43:55pm

re: #155 albusteve

Thanks.

184 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:44:10pm

re: #176 phoenixgirl

yep, but i won't ever vote for him again, for real this time!

Did you get his latest email? He is running for reelection and wants some more money!

185 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:44:11pm

re: #181 Desert Dog

Boy Scouts are evil, didn't you get the memo? They don't even sell cookies!

(My middle son is just about an Eagle)

Cookies? Burnt Marshmallow Thins? Doughy Pancake and Pine Needle Crisps? Mmmmm....

186 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:44:14pm

re: #151 NY Nana

LOL

187 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:44:37pm

re: #173 zombie

Great, just great.

I gotta get crackin' on that essay.

Seriously, it's at least a two- or three-month project.

But at this point, there is no named ideology remaining with which I feel confortable. Complete psychopaths have already taken over and destroyed "liberalism," and now it looks like "conservativsm" is headed down an equivalent path.

What is left for poor zombie?

The only option is to invent (or at least identify) my own ideology.

I have some suggestions for co-authors:

Charles
Glenn Reynolds
Michael J. Totten
Allahpundit
Bill Whittle

And, dare I say, me.

188 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:44:39pm

re: #169 nanook

I personally favor: Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful,Thrifty, Brave, Clean and Reverent. ( Also, Be Prepared). These have always seemed a pretty decent set of values to me, and to Boy Scouts everywhere.

I know the Scout Law/Oath/Motto/Slogan very well...

/been in Scouting 22+ years as a Scout (made Eagle) and as Assistant Scoutmaster, all with the same troop

189 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:44:56pm

America will not fail because it turned its back on God.

America will fail because we turned our back on each other.

190 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:45:41pm

re: #184 Desert Dog

Did you get his latest email? He is running for reelection and wants some more money!

yes i got it and deleted it. it explains his being on the right side of the stimulus debacle, he's running again! he's on his best behavior

191 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:46:03pm

re: #173 zombie

zombiediology. there I gave you a start.

192 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:46:38pm

Mixed feelings here. When is "Religion" only something that they do in Church and not what is being taught by the "Cult of the Gore", "The Cult of Acorn" and so forth. When is the establishment of no God a religion and when isn't it? After saying that, I would go for allowing an organization to rent space from a church to do things providing that they are paying the "market rate" or something that can be justified as compensation that is adequate for their use. Slippery there, money is fungible. A church would have to run the heat in winter to not freeze the pipes when nobody is there. Should an organization pay for the full use of the heat since they will run up the thermostat and grow orchids like Obama does? I think there can be some compromise around. I did some soup kitchen in New Orleans 2 years after Katrina. The organization was allowed by the local Catholic Church to use a room for storage of the donated and purchased food that they gave away. The people on the line were from everywhere, including a couple of Mormon missionaries. The Catholic Church was just donating the space to house it. Certainly that soup kitchen was not an established religious organization. Its connection with the Catholic Church was that somebody prevailed on the parish to donate storage. Its not as black and white as it may seem. I think Huck is over the top, but I also think that there should be some allowance for 3rd party organizations that use Church property in an appropriate fashion.

193 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:46:39pm

re: #188 talon_262

I know the Scout Law/Oath/Motto/Slogan very well...

/been in Scouting 22+ years as a Scout (made Eagle) and as Assistant Scoutmaster, all with the same troop

Scouting has had nothing but a positive impact on my sons. They met good friends through the troop, have taken unbelievable trips, and are being forged into ideal citizens. I am not so religious, and neither are my children, but we all love the scouts.

194 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:47:02pm

re: #189 unclassifiable

America will not fail because it turned its back on God.

America will fail because we turned our back on each other.

I will never turn my back on a fellow Cowboy fan...ever

195 Shay4l  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:47:19pm

re: #180 Summer

I'm really scared at this point as to what is happening in the GOP.

The loudmouths are shouting everyone down who isn't a creationist and a die-hard conservative, claiming that it is because of us that they lost the election.

And the more they do it, they louder they get about having to reform the party as some sort of new "Moral Majority".

I think it's going to be very ugly if they continue down this road. Almost thirty years ago, people were talking about Reagan Democrats. Now, people are going to be talking about JFK Republicans or something....because our voices in the GOP have almost completely been shut out.

They people who aren't going around shouting are the serious ones getting things done. Do not despair.

196 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:47:37pm

vote still in process
Waiting in Brown

197 nanook  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:47:49pm

re: #181 Desert Dog

Yeah. My son is one of those evil Eagle Scouts too. And I'm an old Wood-badge Scouter myself (I used to be an Owl.....) Of course, we try to cover up our Scouting identities in public..... I have seen Scouting do more good for more young men. Too bad its now eeeeeevilllllll.......

198 kynna  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:47:56pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Sal's not a bigot. I agree that Sarah Palin is not in the same boat as those other two: She respects the 1st Amendment and does not seek to impose creationism in the schools. That said, please be careful with the bigot card, it was wrongly played here.

This thread is about Huckabee being an out-and-out looney who wants to change the constitution and is being pushed as one of the faces of the Republican party. Jindal is brought up -- rightfully -- as a match. Palin gets brought up as a third when she's not at all. What makes her a third? It certainly appears to be her religious beliefs.

And enough people have railed about her here, pairing her with Jindal, even though she has a record as a libertarian simply because of her beliefs (yes I had back and forth with one who said she would definitely push her views through law because she's a 'socon' which also is not borne out on record). Assuming that she's going to do all the things those two are doing simply because socons like her. It's not evident in her record so where does this opinion come from?

When/if she does it, I'll kick her. Until then I've got to wonder where the assumptions are coming from.

199 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:48:37pm

re: #192 Shr_Nfr

wow, you're gonna have to break that down for turn. 10 words or less please.
/

200 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:49:38pm

re: #191 turn

zombiediology. there I gave you a start.

One Nation Under Zomb.

201 nanook  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:49:46pm

re: #193 Desert Dog

Scouting has had nothing but a positive impact on my sons. They met good friends through the troop, have taken unbelievable trips, and are being forged into ideal citizens. I am not so religious, and neither are my children, but we all love the scouts.

We are the same as you -- not so religious -- and have never had any problem from any of the Scouts or Scouters. Just mutual respect all the way. Funny how that's unusual enough to be commented upon, isn't it?

202 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:49:48pm

re: #156 Charles

/Oh, dear. I haven't been 'perfected' yet.

Youtube Video
203 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:49:57pm

re: #160 Charles

I'm maintaining my independence from CPAC, as I always have, in spite of a LOT of pressure to participate.

they could benefit greatly from your point of view.

204 kynna  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:50:02pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Ben Stein on Glenn Beck's show about Intelligent Design

Glenn Beck also sat there and agreed with Alan Combs that the anti-war demonstrations the previous weekend (the one with the 'I support the troops who shoot their officers' banner) were just patriotic dissent. I haven't trusted him since. He was pushing his book and didn't want to make waves, I guess.

205 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:50:16pm

re: #191 turn

zombiediology. there I gave you a start.

The zombie party is looking for good brains.

206 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:50:37pm

re: #198 kynna

Fair enough. I will give you my assurances that Sal did not say it from a place of malice.

207 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:50:39pm

re: #157 SFGoth

The Libertarians have become a dumping ground for all kinds of insanity over the years. There's nothing really wrong with libertarianism as a philosophy but they are just too crazy.
Somebody linked to The Modern Whig Party recently. They seem more reasonable but they'll still never win an election without a seriously charismatic candidate. I think we're probably going to have to wait for the Republicans to have a decade long epic fail before they get their shit together.

208 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:50:57pm

Please, do not change color while I'm talking to you.

209 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:50:59pm

I differ with most of you about Huckabee. I like him. I didn't vote for him, but if he runs against Obama, I will. Plenty of US Presidents have been faithful Christians without trying to convert the world or dictate what is taught in schools. Huckabee is personable, smart, has lots of experience, is kind, and yet, I think, beneath that geniality, capable of making tough decisions. Sorry everyone, but I just look at the field --like Specter in MY state, and want to scream GO AWAY. Rick Santorum was our senator until that loser-do-nothing slacker Casey defeated him. I liked Santorum, too. Casey was endorsed by our wonderful paper, The Inky, and the guy hasn't done a blasted thing--but, undoubtedly, vote for the stimulus. I have written three letters to the Inquirer asking them why they didn't call attention to all the wonderful things their guy, Casey, has done, nada, nothing, no response. Gee, I 'm so surprised.

210 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:51:08pm

re: #187 Salamantis

I have some suggestions for co-authors:

Charles
Glenn Reynolds
Michael J. Totten
Allahpundit
Bill Whittle

And, dare I say, me.

I would imagine that everybody named in your comment would (hopefully) be delighted by my putative essay, but I'm not much when it comes to co-authorhood. This would be more like a personal cri de couer, and then I'll see who agrees with me and chimes in.

Write what I feel, unadulterated, at first. The compromises will come later.

That is, of course, if I can find any spare time to do it, which isn't looking too likely at the moment.

211 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:51:27pm

re: #178 The Shadow Do

He is an awesome player, maybe the best ever before he is done. And I don't live anywhere near Cleveland! I would take the entire roster of any team out there, including my Mavs, and trade it for LeBron.

mmmm. you got me thinking..
MJ and Labrick as guards..Shaq at Center, Tim Duncan at power forward..
and believe it or not the greatest small forward I've EVER seen play..Bernard King..on the bench..Kareem, Oscar, Kobe, Bird and ummm I've got to think about the bench more..Who could beat this team?

212 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:51:38pm

re: #201 nanook

We are the same as you -- not so religious -- and have never had any problem from any of the Scouts or Scouters. Just mutual respect all the way. Funny how that's unusual enough to be commented upon, isn't it?

We love the outdoors and enjoy camping, hiking, fishing, etc.....we have an awesome Scoutmaster, that makes a difference too

213 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:51:44pm

re: #200 Bloodnok

One Nation Under Zomb.

I really think she's serious about this ...

214 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:51:55pm

re: #197 nanook

Eagle here too along with being a "Den Mother". Asst. Scoutmaster, etc. The local council up here just degenerated into a bunch of old boys network with no gratitude for any outsides. I have basically terminated my association with them. They were more centered on internal politics than they were in service to the kids. Shame really.

215 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:52:03pm

re: #191 turn

zombiediology. there I gave you a start.

I like it.

So far, the only name I'd come up with is "Obvious-ism."

216 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:52:49pm
“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution,” Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday.


Someone tell Huckabee the race is over and he lost. What race is he talking about and what opponents. He can stop campaigning now.
PS. When you are done with that please tell Obama the same thing.

217 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:52:50pm

re: #205 Kosh's Shadow

The zombie party is looking for good brains.

From what I've read, yes!

218 coquimbojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:53:06pm

I am sure it has been said before, but I think it is worth saying over and over again; Huckabee is a jackass!

219 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:53:14pm

re: #215 zombie

I like it.

So far, the only name I'd come up with is "Obvious-ism."

Never overlook the obvious ..

220 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:53:30pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Fair enough. I will give you my assurances that Sal did not say it from a place of malice.

As I proved with the following post:

re: #112 Salamantis

I was referring to the fact that all three appeal to the same religious socon democraphic. I do note that Palin, unlike the other two, has governed as a libertarian, and not as a theocrat.

with which kynna seems to agree:

#198 excerpt:

even though she has a record as a libertarian

221 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:53:36pm

re: #202 NY Nana

/Oh, dear. I haven't been 'perfected' yet.

I think you're perfect.

222 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:53:59pm

re: #199 turn

It ain't so simple. - 4 words
Hucks a moron - 3 words
GOP dump him. - 3 words

====

Reached my quota. /lol

223 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:54:11pm

re: #171 jorline

Beck's radio show is pure doom and gloom.
If I have him on in the morning I start looking for a knife to slit my wrist...thankfully, all I have are plastic knives in the restaurant.

It's true. Glenn Beck is a doom and gloomer. In the morning, I have a choice between NPR, news radio and Beck (or awful drivetime music)--and I have to say about Beck that almost a year ago he was predicting the crash of the world's markets--and it scares me to see that he, indeed, was right. He seems a little like the wild-eyed John the Baptist--a voice crying in the wilderness.

224 kynna  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:54:11pm

re: #112 Salamantis

I was referring to the fact that all three appeal to the same religious socon democraphic. I do note that Palin, unlike the other two, has governed as a libertarian, and not as a theocrat.

Thanks for clarifying. I'm not saying she'll never do anything like Huckabee and Jindal, I just get annoyed at people assuming she will.

And BTW -- socons gotta vote for somebody. Wouldn't it be nice to promote their interest in an independent thinker who has always governed with honesty and fairness rather than the hysterics? I wish others would see the difference.

225 coquimbojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:54:18pm

re: #215 zombie

Hey there Zombie! How is the Bay Area? People at all worried about the state of California's finances?

226 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:54:34pm

Any guesses as to why we are getting all this "conservative nut cases that want to shred the Constitution stuff... be afraid" stuff NOW, while Obama is doing exactly that.

Fear the possibility of danger more than the actual danger.

Interesting.

227 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:54:51pm

I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in. Religion, ID, Christian persecution. How many "third rails" are there?. Sounds like a bloodbath in the making.

228 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:55:01pm

re: #218 coquimbojoe

I am sure it has been said before, but I think it is worth saying over and over again; Huckabee is a jackass!

I really don't like name-calling.

229 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:55:03pm

re: #209 katemaclaren

Crap, I would vote for almost anybody over Obama. That's no contest.

230 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:55:14pm

re: #186 The Shadow Do

You think I'm kidding? ;) Seriously, Fox used to be unique. Now? IMHO it is as mainstream as MSNBC and CNN, and the three 'big ones'...sad.

There is no really conservative network. Fox seems to be tilting further and further left. At least they were slightly to the right. Not any more.

They now are all bloviators.

231 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:55:17pm

re: #222 Shr_Nfr

It ain't so simple. - 4 words
Hucks a moron - 3 words
GOP dump him. - 3 words

====

Reached my quota. /lol

What?

Just kidding, thanks!

232 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:55:37pm

re: #225 coquimbojoe

Hey there Zombie! How is the Bay Area? People at all worried about the state of California's finances?

Same question, Zombie. What's shakin' out there--everybody?

233 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:55:50pm

re: #211 HoosierHoops

mmmm. you got me thinking..
MJ and Labrick as guards..Shaq at Center, Tim Duncan at power forward..
and believe it or not the greatest small forward I've EVER seen play..Bernard King..on the bench..Kareem, Oscar, Kobe, Bird and ummm I've got to think about the bench more..Who could beat this team?

Bird on the bench! I think not.

234 coquimbojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:55:51pm

re: #223 katemaclaren

It's true. Glenn Beck is a doom and gloomer. In the morning, I have a choice between NPR, news radio and Beck (or awful drivetime music)--and I have to say about Beck that almost a year ago he was predicting the crash of the world's markets--and it scares me to see that he, indeed, was right. He seems a little like the wild-eyed John the Baptist--a voice crying in the wilderness.

I like Beck. Hated him at first. He is certainly sincere and tries to be accurate. He has a pretty good track record lately. I usually tune into Mark Levine instead.

235 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:55:55pm

re: #222 Shr_Nfr

Hey that was 11 words ...
/

236 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:55:57pm

re: #209 katemaclaren

I differ with most of you about Huckabee. I like him. I didn't vote for him, but if he runs against Obama, I will. Plenty of US Presidents have been faithful Christians without trying to convert the world or dictate what is taught in schools. Huckabee is personable, smart, has lots of experience, is kind, and yet, I think, beneath that geniality, capable of making tough decisions. Sorry everyone, but I just look at the field --like Specter in MY state, and want to scream GO AWAY. Rick Santorum was our senator until that loser-do-nothing slacker Casey defeated him. I liked Santorum, too. Casey was endorsed by our wonderful paper, The Inky, and the guy hasn't done a blasted thing--but, undoubtedly, vote for the stimulus. I have written three letters to the Inquirer asking them why they didn't call attention to all the wonderful things their guy, Casey, has done, nada, nothing, no response. Gee, I 'm so surprised.

Unfortunately, Huckabee has stated that he would like to change the US Constitution to more faithfully adhere to 'God's standard'; I have learned through bitter experience that it can be as much of a mistake NOT to take politicians at their word as it can be to do so.

237 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:56:30pm

re: #223 katemaclaren

It's true. Glenn Beck is a doom and gloomer. In the morning, I have a choice between NPR, news radio and Beck (or awful drivetime music)--and I have to say about Beck that almost a year ago he was predicting the crash of the world's markets--and it scares me to see that he, indeed, was right. He seems a little like the wild-eyed John the Baptist--a voice crying in the wilderness.

Doesn't your car have a CD player? Times like those the Eagles come in handy.. or AC/DC

238 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:56:51pm

re: #225 coquimbojoe

Hey there Zombie! How is the Bay Area? People at all worried about the state of California's finances?

The state of California has finances? News to me. Last I heard, we were facing bankruptcy and total fiscal meltdown.

As for the Bay Area, it is currently under about 5 inches of water. And nothing but rain in the forecast for the next two weeks.

Global Pouring!

239 coquimbojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:56:53pm

re: #228 katemaclaren

I really don't like name-calling.

Name calling? Apt description of fact, I say! And with all due respect: so?

240 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:57:07pm

re: #209 katemaclaren

I differ with most of you about Huckabee. I like him.

/down ding, like clockwork

241 jaunte  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:57:41pm

re: #215 zombie

"Obvious-ism" is under-rated.

242 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:58:05pm

re: #238 zombie

The state of California has finances? News to me. Last I heard, we were facing bankruptcy and total fiscal meltdown.

As for the Bay Area, it is currently under about 5 inches of water. And nothing but rain in the forecast for the next two weeks.

Global Pouring!

What do you think of Carly Fiorina?
I understand she intends to run for governor of California.

243 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:58:11pm

re: #229 Shr_Nfr

Crap, I would vote for almost anybody over Obama. That's no contest.

I think the Dems will be mightily surprised in 2010. This has hardened me against EVER voting for a Democrat again. It has had a serious effect on my friendships. Not that they know it--but I have absolute CONTEMPT for those of my FRIENDS who, like that ridiculous Judith Warner who has fantasies about sex with Obama, are equally weak-kneed. YECH.

244 Sean  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:58:29pm

Is the stimulus package Viagra and Cialis for Pelosi's hubby and a paper bag for her head?

245 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:58:52pm

re: #234 coquimbojoe

I don't know where to find Mark here in Philly.

246 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:59:19pm

re: #215 zombie

So, obvious-ism is the study of obviology by obviologists?

247 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:59:24pm

re: #223 katemaclaren

I have to say about Beck that almost a year ago he was predicting the crash of the world's markets--and it scares me to see that he, indeed, was right. He seems a little like the wild-eyed John the Baptist--a voice crying in the wilderness.

More like John the Loon, a voice crying from the backside of the moon...

248 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:59:30pm

re: #236 Salamantis

Unfortunately, Huckabee has stated that he would like to change the US Constitution to more faithfully adhere to 'God's standard'

/linky?

249 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:59:45pm

re: #238 zombie

The state of California has finances? News to me. Last I heard, we were facing bankruptcy and total fiscal meltdown.

As for the Bay Area, it is currently under about 5 inches of water. And nothing but rain in the forecast for the next two weeks.

Global Pouring!

if those fools out there had any brains, all that rain would be collected...9/10th of it will end up in the sea

250 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:59:46pm

re: #238 zombie

Sorry Zombie: We are in another drought. I researched it while my socks were drying.

251 coquimbojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:59:46pm

Huckabee is fine compared to Obama. But against anyone like Romney, Guiliani, or my golden retriever, he comes up short. He was squishy, petty and disingenuous during the campaign.

252 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:59:55pm

re: #244 Sean

Is the stimulus package Viagra and Cialis for Pelosi's hubby and a paper bag for her head?

Don't forget the bottle of Jack Daniels. Maybe two.

253 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:00:13pm

Here I come to talk about Ann Coulter again.

Who takes her seriously on creationism and "perfecting Jews"? I know she says it and writes it, but I don't think she means a word of it. Or is this an exercise in Obviousism?

254 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:00:26pm

re: #238 zombie

The state of California has finances? News to me. Last I heard, we were facing bankruptcy and total fiscal meltdown.

As for the Bay Area, it is currently under about 5 inches of water. And nothing but rain in the forecast for the next two weeks.

Global Pouring!

Hey zomb, you notice any drop off of services with the furlough? I didn't think so. We could lay off half the state workers and never miss a thing. Just saying ...

Oh and now O want's to increase the beau racy. oh that is going to really work big time.

255 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:00:33pm

re: #240 Killian Bundy

/down ding, like clockwork

Now that isn't very nice, is it? Can't we disagree?

256 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:00:50pm

re: #248 Killian Bundy

/linky?

It's in the story at the head of this thread, but here it is again:

[Link: www.rawstory.com...]

257 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:00:53pm

re: #247 The Shadow Do

More like John the Loon, a voice crying from the backside of the moon...

That's funny.

258 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:01:01pm

re: #236 Salamantis

Unfortunately, Huckabee has stated that he would like to change the US Constitution to more faithfully adhere to 'God's standard'; I have learned through bitter experience that it can be as much of a mistake NOT to take politicians at their word as it can be to do so.

Why is it that I think of the fundamentalist President that Cliff Robertson played in Escape from L.A. whenever I look at or hear Huckabee?

259 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:01:19pm

re: #242 jwb7605

What do you think of Carly Fiorina?
I understand she intends to run for governor of California.

Former rock star CEO of HP, and nothing else. She cashed in well, I'll give her that. Meanwhile, her un-star replacement Mark Hurd has brought the company value back up to old levels and (for a while, thanks Bush and Obama) WELL above.

I'm not in.

260 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:01:20pm

re: #244 Sean

Is the stimulus package Viagra and Cialis for Pelosi's hubby and a paper bag for her head?

either way, somebody gets f#$%%

261 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:01:21pm

Okay, so this comment is late, but as the daughter of a scoutmaster I never appreciated all that he did for the scouts. (At the time I was too busy being mortified that all the young men who were my friends had listened to my father snore, had been taught to shoot by him, and knew he had a machete in the garage.) When we became involved in scouting as adults, I realized that the ability to like and teach teenage boys is a talent, and a valuable one. Then I appreciated his work.

About the same time, he received the Order of the Silver Beaver, so I guess I wasn't the only one.

262 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:01:42pm

re: #253 iLikeCandy

No. You are practicing naive-ism (aka head-in-the-sand-ism).

263 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:01:47pm

re: #230 NY Nana

You think I'm kidding? ;) Seriously, Fox used to be unique. Now? IMHO it is as mainstream as MSNBC and CNN, and the three 'big ones'...sad.

There is no really conservative network. Fox seems to be tilting further and further left. At least they were slightly to the right. Not any more.

They now are all bloviators.

They don't tilt in any particular direction. It is sort of a compound of People magazine and Police Gazette. Terrible.

264 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:02:07pm

re: #255 katemaclaren

Now that isn't very nice, is it? Can't we disagree?

yes but you cannot escape the ding junkies...they can't help it

265 jaunte  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:02:14pm

Obvious-isms.
- If bankers are smarter than regulators, bankers will invent an new way to make money that might be harmful to the rest of us, but the regulators won't notice.
- If voters elect politicians that tax the minority to buy free stuff for the majority, productivity will be hurt.
- If the majority of the voters are not especially religious, a religious-conservative party won't get a majority of votes.

266 kynna  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:02:15pm

re: #238 zombie

The state of California has finances? News to me. Last I heard, we were facing bankruptcy and total fiscal meltdown.

As for the Bay Area, it is currently under about 5 inches of water. And nothing but rain in the forecast for the next two weeks.

Global Pouring!

When I see what they're planning on spending money on, and what they're refusing to cut, I just about choke.

267 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:02:18pm

re: #242 jwb7605

? Carly

268 coquimbojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:02:42pm

iPod sych complete. Have a great evening folks!

269 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:02:46pm

re: #261 EmmmieG

Okay, so this comment is late, but as the daughter of a scoutmaster I never appreciated all that he did for the scouts. (At the time I was too busy being mortified that all the young men who were my friends had listened to my father snore, had been taught to shoot by him, and knew he had a machete in the garage.) When we became involved in scouting as adults, I realized that the ability to like and teach teenage boys is a talent, and a valuable one. Then I appreciated his work.

About the same time, he received the Order of the Silver Beaver, so I guess I wasn't the only one.

What was his Wood Badge patrol? (I was a Beaver)

270 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:02:51pm

re: #254 turn

Hey zomb, you notice any drop off of services with the furlough? I didn't think so. We could lay off half the state workers and never miss a thing. Just saying ...

Oh and now O want's to increase the beau racy. oh that is going to really work big time.

If O wants to increase the bureaucracy--that's okay--ARnold will furlough them. hahaha. It's a dead heat.

271 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:02:59pm

OT: Definitely setting Dollhouse up to tivo, caught the end and it looks pretty good...

272 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:03:34pm

re: #269 jwb7605

What was his Wood Badge patrol? (I was a Beaver)

I don't know. I didn't pay attention back then. I just ransacked his car for leftover snacks when he came back from campouts and happily went shooting with him.

273 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:03:40pm

re: #258 talon_262

Why is it that I think of the fundamentalist President that Cliff Robertson played in Escape from L.A. whenever I look at or hear Huckabee?

Hollywood never gets it right. ....but Orwell, did.

274 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:03:41pm

re: #261 EmmmieG


About the same time, he received the Order of the Silver Beaver, so I guess I wasn't the only one.

My recently deceased uncle had one. They are rare. Good on your father.

275 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:03:52pm
276 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:03:54pm

re: #242 jwb7605

What do you think of Carly Fiorina?
I understand she intends to run for governor of California.

I don't know thing one about her. I didn't even know we were in a gubernatorial race.

Last time, I was really impressed by the straight-talking, no-nonsense olde-skool conservative Tom McClintock. In the debates, I thought he totally destroyed Arnold, Arianna, Bustamente and the rest. But he came in a distant third, I think. I never really investigated McClintock's views in detail, but I at least liked his personality.

277 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:03:57pm

re: #271 Thanos

OT: Definitely setting Dollhouse up to tivo, caught the end and it looks pretty good...

Dollhouse? Welcome to the? Solondz?

278 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:03:58pm

re: #250 BatGuano

Hey bat, you in CA?

279 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:04:07pm

re: #59 zombie

Oh boy, I better move my "write a manifesto for a new political party" to the front burner, if that's the case. No way am I gonna vote for a moonbat socialist like Obama, but also no way am I gonna vote for some nut who wants to convene a Constitutional Convention to insert an official US national religion and X-out the first amendment.

Why not join Jeff Goldstein's Frontier Party.

OUTLAW!

280 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:04:12pm

re: #256 Salamantis

It's in the story at the head of this thread, but here it is again:

[Link: www.rawstory.com...]

Okay.

/chances of that happening, zero, hell, look who's President

281 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:04:34pm

re: #268 coquimbojoe

Night Night.

282 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:04:34pm

re: #270 katemaclaren

U in CA too?

283 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:04:46pm

re: #233 The Shadow Do

Bird on the bench! I think not.

Yea..tough choice...So lets say Bird played forward against Duncan..who wins? not close.. Bird against LaBrick? No way..he'd take him to school..
King vs. bird? Who cares..King could score 40 in his sleep and is going to the Hall of fame..Bird against Jordan? Yea right...
Bird sits till the rotation..
/ Just my opinion..

284 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:05:06pm

re: #280 Killian Bundy

Okay.

/chances of that happening, zero, hell, look who's President

But it's a damn good reason never to vote for Huckabee for President.

285 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:05:17pm

re: #267 turn

? Carly

Carly Fiorina

Some think she ran HP into the ground (I think it's arguable).

286 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:05:32pm

re: #238 zombie

The state of California has finances? News to me. Last I heard, we were facing bankruptcy and total fiscal meltdown.

As for the Bay Area, it is currently under about 5 inches of water. And nothing but rain in the forecast for the next two weeks.

Global Pouring!

That's great news..Cali really need water...Thank goodness

287 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:05:34pm

re: #253 iLikeCandy

I think she means it but nobody takes her seriously and she gives the Republican party a bad image. She's hateful, mean, bitter and bigoted. If she wanted to have a radio show or write books it would be fine but if she launches into a hateful bigoted tirade with racial/ethnic slurs again at CPAC it will reflect very poorly on the Republicans.

288 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:05:47pm

re: #276 zombie

zombie, you did know that he's in the US House of Reps now? There's a theory that no matter how good Tom is, he'll never become California governor because he's a big socon.

289 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:05:52pm

re: #209 katemaclaren

I differ with most of you about Huckabee. I like him. I didn't vote for him, but if he runs against Obama, I will. Plenty of US Presidents have been faithful Christians without trying to convert the world or dictate what is taught in schools. Huckabee is personable, smart, has lots of experience, is kind, and yet, I think, beneath that geniality, capable of making tough decisions. Sorry everyone, but I just look at the field --like Specter in MY state, and want to scream GO AWAY. Rick Santorum was our senator until that loser-do-nothing slacker Casey defeated him. I liked Santorum, too. Casey was endorsed by our wonderful paper, The Inky, and the guy hasn't done a blasted thing--but, undoubtedly, vote for the stimulus. I have written three letters to the Inquirer asking them why they didn't call attention to all the wonderful things their guy, Casey, has done, nada, nothing, no response. Gee, I 'm so surprised.

I will vote for a two-headed, syphilitic armadillo before I will vote for CBBHO in 2012.

290 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:06:15pm

re: #238 zombie

The state of California has finances? News to me. Last I heard, we were facing bankruptcy and total fiscal meltdown.

As for the Bay Area, it is currently under about 5 inches of water. And nothing but rain in the forecast for the next two weeks.

Global Pouring!

Oh it is freaking not under 5" of water. It's raining, but not *that* bad. OTOH, it should be fungi-picking season realllll soon! ;-> Let me see if I understand something: god creates these plants called mushrooms; you can walk into the park, pick them, eat them, see pretty colors and grin a lot. That's a felony. OTOH, you can drink yourself stupid on cheap beer, puke your guts out, generally make an ass of yourself and that's fine. Sad.

291 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:06:29pm

re: #284 Salamantis

But it's a damn good reason never to vote for Huckabee for President.

/among others

292 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:06:31pm

re: #289 MandyManners

I will vote for a two-headed, syphilitic armadillo before I will vote for CBBHO in 2012.

Yes, but would you vote for a two-headed, syphalitic armadillo who wears snuggies?

293 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:06:38pm

re: #276 zombie

I don't know thing one about her. I didn't even know we were in a gubernatorial race.

Last time, I was really impressed by the straight-talking, no-nonsense olde-skool conservative Tom McClintock. In the debates, I thought he totally destroyed Arnold, Arianna, Bustamente and the rest. But he came in a distant third, I think. I never really investigated McClintock's views in detail, but I at least liked his personality.

I have no dog in the California hunt, but I'd have to agree with you on McClintock. I did see him debate once.

294 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:06:44pm

re: #276 zombie

I don't know thing one about her. I didn't even know we were in a gubernatorial race.

Last time, I was really impressed by the straight-talking, no-nonsense olde-skool conservative Tom McClintock. In the debates, I thought he totally destroyed Arnold, Arianna, Bustamente and the rest. But he came in a distant third, I think. I never really investigated McClintock's views in detail, but I at least liked his personality.

Me too.

295 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:07:04pm

re: #271 Thanos

OT: Definitely setting Dollhouse up to tivo, caught the end and it looks pretty good...

I saw an ad for that somewhere. Seemed to be a fetish soft-porn show, for people who want to have sex with robots.

296 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:07:05pm

re: #242 jwb7605

What do you think of Carly Fiorina?
I understand she intends to run for governor of California.

No, that's Meg Whitman. Fiorina pretty much embarrassed the S.F. Comical when she ran HP into the ground. (Carly! The next wunderkind!)

297 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:07:45pm

re: #287 Killgore Trout

I think she means it but nobody takes her seriously and she gives the Republican party a bad image. She's hateful, mean, bitter and bigoted. If she wanted to have a radio show or write books it would be fine but if she launches into a hateful bigoted tirade with racial/ethnic slurs again at CPAC it will reflect very poorly on the Republicans.

And, she needs a burger and a shake.

298 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:07:49pm

re: #289 MandyManners

I will vote for a two-headed, syphilitic armadillo before I will vote for CBBHO in 2012.

Where does it stand on ID?

//////

299 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:07:59pm

re: #213 turn

I really think she's serious about this ...

SHEEEEE!?

300 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:08:02pm

re: #276 zombie

I don't know thing one about her. I didn't even know we were in a gubernatorial race.

Last time, I was really impressed by the straight-talking, no-nonsense olde-skool conservative Tom McClintock. In the debates, I thought he totally destroyed Arnold, Arianna, Bustamente and the rest. But he came in a distant third, I think. I never really investigated McClintock's views in detail, but I at least liked his personality.

Tom McClintock is the real deal when it comes to olde skool fiscal conservatism. Unfortunately, when it comes to running for statewide office, he's had some rather inept and woefully underfunded campaigns. Personally, I'd love to see him as Governor.

301 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:08:24pm

re: #292 EmmmieG

Yes, but would you vote for a two-headed, syphalitic armadillo who wears snuggies?

In a heart-beat.

302 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:08:24pm

re: #282 turn

U in CA too?

NO. PA.
But, my daughter lives there--Palo Alto.

303 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:08:24pm

re: #287 Killgore Trout

What's her lifestyle like? I mean, does she walk the walk? Does anyone know? I don't mean does she attend church on Sundays, but are her celibacy credentials as solid as say Hillary Clinton's?

304 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:08:25pm

re: #285 jwb7605

Carly Fiorina

Some think she ran HP into the ground (I think it's arguable).

Oh, I knew. Just don't think she has the recognition .. oh wait this is Califoooooniaaaa (arnold impersonation in type there)

305 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:08:49pm

re: #297 MandyManners

And, she needs a burger and a shake.

heh...she's okay...KT is probably scared of her

306 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:08:57pm
307 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:09:00pm

re: #275 Iron Fist

Hey, it worked for Marx and Obama. It might work for you. But it is kinda hard to run for office and maintain annomynity.

I ain't running for no office.

I'll just run a few ideas up a flagpole, and see who salutes -- and who tries to tear it down.

I suspect I'll gain a few friends, and about 50 million enemies.

308 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:09:34pm

re: #298 Bloodnok

Where does it stand on ID?

//////

Under the BUS! like any armadillo.

309 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:09:44pm

re: #218 coquimbojoe

Huckabee is a jackass!

Nomination for a rotating title!

310 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:11:13pm

re: #289 MandyManners

Mandy? What in the world is that? I can imagine, but I really would like it straight up? Please?

311 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:11:45pm

re: #290 SFGoth

Oh it is freaking not under 5" of water. It's raining, but not *that* bad.

Well, where I am, it is totally downpouring, like a monsoon.

312 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:11:57pm

re: #306 Iron Fist

Which party is the armadillo with?

I think that would HAVE to be Republican. 'Dillas come from Texas.

313 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:12:24pm

Oops, that would be 'Dillos.

314 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:12:30pm
315 turn  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:12:48pm

re: #299 katemaclaren

SHEEEEE!?

Nobody will ever know ... Ha!

G'nite all!

316 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:12:58pm

So, has this Brown guy gotten back from Ohio yet?

/I'm getting tired of bending over and spreading my cheeks

317 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:13:12pm
318 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:14:17pm

re: #251 coquimbojoe

Huckabee is fine compared to Obama. But against anyone like Romney, Guiliani, or my golden retriever, he comes up short. He was squishy, petty and disingenuous during the campaign.

well, I definitely agree with the two you mentioned--I don't know about your dog, though. I'd put up my feisty Tomcat, though.

319 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:15:02pm

re: #316 Killian Bundy

So, has this Brown guy gotten back from Ohio yet?

/I'm getting tired of bending over and spreading my cheeks

No, I think us BOHICANS will have to wait just a little bit longer for Congressman Frank to do the (dis)honors.

320 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:15:07pm

re: #278 turn

Sure am. South Bay area. San Jose.

321 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:15:16pm

re: #263 The Shadow Do

They don't tilt in any particular direction. It is sort of a compound of People magazine and Police Gazette. Terrible.

Yes! Excellent point.

322 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:15:32pm

Happy Valentine's Day.

323 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:15:41pm

re: #298 Bloodnok

Where does it stand on ID?

//////

You're asking that about a mutated, sexual deviant?

324 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:15:49pm

re: #295 zombie

I saw an ad for that somewhere. Seemed to be a fetish soft-porn show, for people who want to have sex with robots.

It's Joss Whedon, who did the Buffy series.

325 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:16:07pm

re: #312 katemaclaren

I think that would HAVE to be Republican. 'Dillas come from Texas.

They have actually been reconquering North America since the 1850's. From the south. At a rate of about 13 miles per year.

326 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:16:09pm

re: #317 Iron Fist

Oh. I was wondering about the armored dildo...

hahahahaha! Now you tell me! I think those are in San Francisco at the fair where Zombie takes some amazingly disgusting photos just by swinging the camera around on automatic.

327 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:16:11pm

re: #305 albusteve

Coulter exemplifies why Jews vote Dem.

328 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:16:16pm

re: #324 Thanos

And Firefly.

329 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:16:21pm

re: #323 MandyManners

You're asking that about a mutated, sexual deviant?

No, the armadillo.

330 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:16:44pm

There seem to be a lot of crypto-McClintock fans here tonight!

Am I the only person in the entire world to have voted for Ralph Nader in one election and then Tom McClintock in the next one? Probably.

(Yes, I voted for Nader in 2000, because [at the time] I couldn't stand either Gore or Bush. A protest vote, as it were.)

331 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:16:59pm

re: #327 Killgore Trout

Coulter exemplifies why Jews vote Dem.

maybe but she is no bigot and you know it...

332 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:17:00pm

re: #303 iLikeCandy

What's her lifestyle like? I mean, does she walk the walk? Does anyone know? I don't mean does she attend church on Sundays, but are her celibacy credentials as solid as say Hillary Clinton's?

Celibacy? That's between no one other than a person and God.

333 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:17:13pm

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

No, I think us BOHICANS will have to wait just a little bit longer for Congressman Frank to do the (dis)honors.

Bohicans?
I love that. I'm waiting for the last of the Bohicans to give it up for the NYT when all hope is lost.

334 summergurl  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:17:25pm

re: #316 Killian Bundy

So, has this Brown guy gotten back from Ohio yet?

/I'm getting tired of bending over and spreading my cheeks


Not due back for another half hour--- the position will have to be assumed a bit longer

335 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:17:31pm

re: #305 albusteve

heh...she's okay...KT is probably scared of her

I wouldn't equate disdain for fright.

336 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:17:59pm

re: #306 Iron Fist

Which party is the armadillo with?

GOP.

337 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:18:06pm

re: #330 zombie

There seem to be a lot of crypto-McClintock fans here tonight!

Am I the only person in the entire world to have voted for Ralph Nader in one election and then Tom McClintock in the next one? Probably.

Wow, I'm quite certain you are!

:^)

338 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:18:21pm

re: #325 OldLineTexan

They have actually been reconquering North America since the 1850's. From the south. At a rate of about 13 miles per year.

So I can expect one to come knocking on my door here In Pennsy? That would be a sweet surprise. I like those critters.

339 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:18:30pm

re: #335 MandyManners

I wouldn't equate disdain for fright.

why not?...

340 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:19:29pm

re: #316 Killian Bundy

His Mother's funeral is tomorrow.

/Nice to see what his priorities are. Reminds me of The One when his Gran, who he threw under the bus, died.

341 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:19:40pm

re: #338 katemaclaren

So I can expect one to come knocking on my door here In Pennsy? That would be a sweet surprise. I like those critters.

They are in Florida; unless the woodchucks repulse them, keep an eye out.

342 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:20:43pm

re: #331 albusteve

As I Jew? I call that bitch a Jew hater.

343 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:20:50pm

re: #310 katemaclaren

Mandy? What in the world is that? I can imagine, but I really would like it straight up? Please?

Just from what he's done in about 21 days, I'm almost ready to vote for ANYONE/ANYTHING who runs against CBBHO in 2012.

344 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:20:51pm

re: #341 OldLineTexan

Florida speedbumps.

345 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:21:04pm

re: #304 turn

Calry ran Hp into the ground. I just began working there in 2001 when it was announced that Carly wanted to acquire Compaq. I thought, " Why would she want to gain a larger share of of a soft market?" A few billion dollars later, Mark Hurd.

346 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:21:18pm

re: #311 zombie

Well, where I am, it is totally downpouring, like a monsoon.

Where's that?

347 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:21:19pm

re: #340 NY Nana

His Mother's funeral is tomorrow.

/Nice to see what his priorities are. Reminds me of The One when his Gran, who he threw under the bus, died.

Well, at least he took the time to attend the memorial. I honestly don't fault Brown for his actions on this one (other than his vote for the porkilus bill, of course).

348 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:21:24pm

re: #283 HoosierHoops

Yea..tough choice...So lets say Bird played forward against Duncan..who wins? not close.. Bird against LaBrick? No way..he'd take him to school..
King vs. bird? Who cares..King could score 40 in his sleep and is going to the Hall of fame..Bird against Jordan? Yea right...
Bird sits till the rotation..
/ Just my opinion..

Bird wins against Duncan et all, in fact he would kill them with the pass. Vs. Jordan? Interesting to imagine, but Michael played guard. No, Bird would not cover him on defense but Jordan probably would not like getting posted up much.

349 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:21:29pm

re: #341 OldLineTexan

They are in Florida; unless the woodchucks repulse them, keep an eye out.

Plus, armadillos are carriers of Hansen's disease, otherwise known as leprosy.

350 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:21:37pm

re: #332 MandyManners

Celibacy? That's between no one other than a person and God.

Assuming God exists.

As for celibacy, sometimes we know and sometimes we don't.

351 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:21:45pm
352 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:21:59pm

re: #344 Dan G.

Florida speedbumps.

There's actually only one in Texas; TXDOT drags it around from highway to highway.

353 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:22:03pm

re: #322 Dan G.

Happy Valentine's Day.

Bah humbug.

354 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:22:40pm

re: #329 Bloodnok

No, the armadillo.

ROFLMAO!

355 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:23:17pm

re: #340 NY Nana

Forgot to mention that the Demonrats seem to share the same lack of values.

356 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:23:30pm

re: #353 MandyManners

Oh, come on! Piss off a Saudi Cleric, buy heart-shaped chocolate, flowers, and fornicate as frequently as possible with the one you love.

357 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:23:39pm

re: #339 albusteve

why not?...

Because.

358 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:23:57pm

re: #345 BatGuano

Calry ran Hp into the ground. I just began working there in 2001 when it was announced that Carly wanted to acquire Compaq. I thought, " Why would she want to gain a larger share of of a soft market?" A few billion dollars later, Mark Hurd.

Checked the stock lately? Mark does pretty well. Compaq was not the mistake everyone made it out to be, as the ProLiant server line is still #1. But Carly COULD NOT execute ... big ideas and rock star only.

359 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:24:07pm

Well, everyone. As usual, I have to go grade papers and so it goes. So goodnight and good luck--or has that phrase been permanently tainted by George Clooney?

360 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:24:18pm

I disagree Charles - this is supposed to be a stimulus bill, and there's no good reason to have anti-religious legislation in it. I trust Jim Demint in this instance, though it doesn't make me feel any better having Huckabee out in front.

I recognize that antipathy toward religion is a theme here on LGF - and I don't mind following the debate, but this place is getting darker and darker...

361 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:24:37pm

re: #342 NY Nana

As I Jew? I call that bitch a Jew hater.

don't know...why do you say that?

362 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:24:38pm

Totally, completely, utterly off topic.

They are making a live-action GI Joe. As the mother of four boys, I am really hoping this is something appropriate for little boys.

Yes, I realize that this isn't great moviemaking, I just want the boys to be able to see it.

363 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:24:39pm

re: #332 MandyManners

Celibacy? That's between no one other than a person and God.

Mandy, That isn't quite correct,... It's between no one other than a person and God and the 'significant other' should one exist.

364 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:24:46pm

re: #349 Salamantis

Plus, armadillos are carriers of Hansen's disease, otherwise known as leprosy.

And, if you catch one and pick it up, it'll piss on you.

365 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:25:09pm

Tom McClintock is connected to the Christian Reconstructionist movement:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

366 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:25:13pm

re: #357 MandyManners

Because.

Iluvuman!...good enough

367 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:25:27pm

re: #331 albusteve

She routinely uses homophobic and racist slurs which probably won't pass the LGF language filter so I won't try. She also advocated for the invasion and forced conversion of Muslim countries. She also wants America to be an all Christian nation (That includes converting the Jews too). The Jews don't want to be converted. She's almost like a caricature of a hateful right wing religious zealot dreamed up by Mikey Moore.

368 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:25:49pm

re: #350 iLikeCandy

Assuming God exists.

As for celibacy, sometimes we know and sometimes we don't.

No. 1, I do believe God is real.

No. 2, it's never our business.

369 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:25:49pm

re: #360 ShaneBorgess

Read the sections in question that are in the draft... There is nothing anti-religious or oppressive. Unless, you are using the leftist definition where LACK of a HANDOUT is oppression.

370 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:26:03pm

re: #342 NY Nana

Thank you.

371 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:26:17pm

re: #330 zombie

Zombie, I voted to recall Gray Davis. I voted for McClintock in the subsequent elections. I never voted for Arnold.

372 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:26:34pm

re: #360 ShaneBorgess

Dinged for your martyrific antipathy statement.

373 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:26:38pm

I have somehow gotten on the most bizarre and interesting spammy email list I've ever encountered.

Some guy in China claims to have disproven the Prime Number theory, and kicked Riemann's metaphorical ass. Problem is, this guy is not affiliated with a university, and no math journal will publish his papers.

So what he does is mail them out en masse to anyone and everyone who might be vaguely interested, in the hope of catching some media attention. And the math in his papers is the real deal -- he is a true mathematician. But his conclusion is so explosive (i.e. that there is no such thing as randomness) that it is rejected out-of-hand by the mathematics academia power structure.

So now, the poor guy send out these massive pdfs periodically, which boggle the mind.

I am not knowledgable enough assess if he's right, but I have this nagging suspicion the guy is not a nutcase but is instead an overlooked genius.

Anyway, just checked my email, and got five more proofs from him!

374 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:27:00pm

re: #356 Dan G.

Oh, come on! Piss off a Saudi Cleric, buy heart-shaped chocolate, flowers, and fornicate as frequently as possible with the one you love.

I can just breathe and piss of the cleric. No need to do the rest, especially the last since I'm divorced.

375 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:27:05pm

re: #352 OldLineTexan

Hey, OLT, good to see you posting! I misssss Texas. I miss the bluebonnets and the pale pink poppies. I miss the FOOD and Lone Star beer and and and ...the Texas Two step with a real cowboy in a bar bigger than the white house.

376 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:27:06pm

re: #360 ShaneBorgess

I recognize that antipathy toward religion is a theme here on LGF - and I don't mind following the debate, but this place is getting darker and darker...

Here we go again.

377 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:27:16pm

re: #354 MandyManners

ROFLMAO!

Cool! Now I only need to make you laugh 19,999 more times and we'll be even.

378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:27:20pm

re: #359 katemaclaren

May I have an "A"? Please?

379 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:27:55pm

re: #360 ShaneBorgess

I disagree Charles - this is supposed to be a stimulus bill, and there's no good reason to have anti-religious legislation in it. I trust Jim Demint in this instance, though it doesn't make me feel any better having Huckabee out in front.

I recognize that antipathy toward religion is a theme here on LGF - and I don't mind following the debate, but this place is getting darker and darker...

Horsefeathers!

380 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:28:13pm

re: #346 SFGoth

Where's that?

Sorry, that information is classified!

Maybe the radar will give a clue.

381 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:28:19pm

re: #340 NY Nana

His Mother's funeral is tomorrow.

/Nice to see what his priorities are. Reminds me of The One when his Gran, who he threw under the bus, died.

I don't blame him. I blame Obama, Pelosi, and Reid for jamming this through before anyone who voted could even read it. And there's a good reason for that. It sucks more than any legislation in the last 75 years.

SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday

Youtube Video

/just wait until next week, when the final version gets picked apart, it's ugly, a sham, wrapped in a travesty, inside an abomination

382 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:28:24pm

re: #362 EmmmieG

Totally, completely, utterly off topic.

They are making a live-action GI Joe. As the mother of four boys, I am really hoping this is something appropriate for little boys.

Yes, I realize that this isn't great moviemaking, I just want the boys to be able to see it.

As a Joe fan, I can guarantee a certain level of "clean".

HOWEVER, as a Joe fan, I can guarantee violence. And cleavage on The Baroness. ;)

The movie is based on the '80's cartoon/comic/toy series.

Here's the trailer.

383 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:28:30pm

re: #373 zombie

You should post them of some math forum somewhere and see if people take interest in them.

384 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:28:35pm

re: #365 Charles

Tom McClintock is connected to the Christian Reconstructionist movement:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]


Many of his views are reflected in essays in the Chalcedon Report, published by a conservative religious organization in Calaveras County. The group envisions a society in which biblical law is the law of the land.

There you have it, a preterist Chilton snuffling ass.

385 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:28:52pm

re: #360 ShaneBorgess

Someone break out the martyr cookies. Again.

386 Scion9  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:28:53pm

re: #289 MandyManners

I will vote for a two-headed, syphilitic armadillo before I will vote for CBBHO in 2012.

Unfortunately I find it unlikely that any two-headed, syphilitic armadillos will live to the venerable age required to be eligible to run for the office.

387 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:29:03pm

re: #363 Haverwilde

Mandy, That isn't quite correct,... It's between no one other than a person and God and the 'significant other' should one exist.

That goes without saying.

388 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:29:15pm

Sorry Charles - it's what I see.

Dan - this is what Is on De3mint's site:

Pages 164-165 of the stimulus contain the following prohibitions on the use of $3.5 billion available for renovation of public or private college and university facilities.

(2) PROHIBITED USES OF FUNDS.—No funds awarded under this section may be used for—
(C) modernization, renovation, or repair of facilities—
(i) used for sectarian instruction, religious worship, or a school or department of divinity; or
(ii) in which a substantial portion of the functions of the facilities are subsumed in a religious mission; or construction of new facilities.

If it's an over-reaction - I'd welcome that news...

389 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:29:24pm

re: #374 MandyManners

I can just breathe and piss of the cleric. No need to do the rest, especially the last since I'm divorced.

You uppity woman, you. Get back into that kitchen! (There's still some cheesecake in the fridge.)

///

390 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:29:24pm

re: #373 zombie

"[...] that there is no such thing as randomness." I have no problem with this statement within a certain context. Is he talking metaphysically (i.e. there is no randomness in nature) or is he dealing only in concepts/abstractions?

391 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:29:38pm

re: #366 albusteve

Iluvuman!...good enough

I've been boning up my skills with The Kid.

392 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:29:52pm

re: #365 Charles

Tom McClintock is connected to the Christian Reconstructionist movement:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

How connected is he? From that article:

“I completely disagree,” McClintock said, with Stoos’ vision of the anti-abortion city council and “completely reject” the idea that the nation’s modern laws should be biblical.

“I was not aware that he was writing for this journal and I’m upset to find that out,” McClintock said Friday in an interview at the Sacramento airport, between campaign appearances. “That disturbs me greatly.”

It continues that way.

393 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:30:40pm

re: #392 iLikeCandy

It continues that way.

Uh huh. Because we all know that politicians always tell the truth.

394 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:30:40pm

re: #364 OldLineTexan

And, if you catch one and pick it up, it'll piss on you.

don't know of any leper colonies in Texas, do you OLT? Anyway, washing your hands in some good branch water from the Pecos should prevent it.

395 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:30:45pm

re: #385 Fat Jolly Penguin

Martyr cookies? Everyone a little tightly wound here tonight?

396 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:30:46pm

re: #388 ShaneBorgess

How is respecting the establishment cause anti-religious? How is not giving religious organizations oppressive? Two very simple questions, will you please answer them?

397 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:30:56pm

re: #358 OldLineTexan

And you are disagreeing with me where? ;)

398 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:31:01pm

re: #373 zombie

That is neat in a weird sort of way.

Could you send me the prime number one (link blue)?

It is kind of my past time.

399 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:31:05pm

re: #365 Charles

Tom McClintock is connected to the Christian Reconstructionist movement:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

Good gravy...are there any conservative politicians in America that give the impression of being worth a damn that could not be tarred with the fundie nutbar brush?

400 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:31:16pm

re: #396 Dan G.

...giving to...

401 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:31:36pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

She routinely uses homophobic and racist slurs which probably won't pass the LGF language filter so I won't try. She also advocated for the invasion and forced conversion of Muslim countries. She also wants America to be an all Christian nation (That includes converting the Jews too). The Jews don't want to be converted. She's almost like a caricature of a hateful right wing religious zealot dreamed up by Mikey Moore.

she doesnt use our sarc tag for one thing...and as for bigotry I'd say her thoughts are well documented thru her books...she has reason for her intolerance...not saying I agree with her on all subjects but I will say she has avoided the bigot label pretty good...right wrong or otherwise her positions are less than knee jerk

402 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:31:54pm

re: #377 Bloodnok

Cool! Now I only need to make you laugh 19,999 more times and we'll be even.

8-)

403 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:32:32pm

re: #384 Thanos

There you have it, a preterist Chilton snuffling ass.

Thanos, that refers to his advisor, some guy named Stoos. McClintock and Stoos seem to disagree on this stuff.

404 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:32:39pm

re: #348 The Shadow Do

Bird wins against Duncan et all, in fact he would kill them with the pass. Vs. Jordan? Interesting to imagine, but Michael played guard. No, Bird would not cover him on defense but Jordan probably would not like getting posted up much.

/This is fun isn't it?
OK you say 6'9" Bird going against a 7 footer would win that battle..Tim would post him and embarrass him...Bird shooting over Tim.Not likely..Mj worried about Bird posting him up? He'd take him off the dibble every time..
I like Larry legend..He passed great and was a great shooter..Basketball IQ out of this world..But against the athletes today..He still was a slow white guy that couldn't jump..
ok.. Bird was one of the greatest 10 ballers of all time..Still sits on my bench till rotation..Cause there are 5 guys still better than him..LOL

405 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:32:53pm

re: #365 Charles

Tom McClintock is connected to the Christian Reconstructionist movement:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

I just threw up in my mouth.
It's like that episode of Space 1999 with those weird thready-blob creatures and only Commander Koenig can see them.
We're F'ing doomed. Libertarian Party on Monday.

406 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:33:28pm

re: #365 Charles

Tom McClintock is connected to the Christian Reconstructionist movement:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

Say what?!?!?

Like I said, I never investigated his actual political views, I just liked his personality.

Arianna was certifiably insane; Arnold was a shallow bozo; Bustamente was a sleazy currupt slimeball; and Gray Davis was utterly incompetent. Who else was there to vote for?

But Charles, look more carefully at that article. In it, McClintock says,

"McClintock, who employs Stoos as his deputy campaign manager and until recently paid him $93,720 a year as his top legislative analyst, said in an interview last week that he was unaware of Stoos’ writings."

Any evidence or links that McClintock himself personally said he wants to legislate religion?

407 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:33:35pm

re: #365 Charles

Tom McClintock is connected to the Christian Reconstructionist movement:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

From the 2003 Time article:

“I completely disagree,” McClintock said, with Stoos’ vision of the anti-abortion city council and “completely reject” the idea that the nation’s modern laws should be biblical.

“I was not aware that he was writing for this journal and I’m upset to find that out,” McClintock said Friday in an interview at the Sacramento airport, between campaign appearances. “That disturbs me greatly.”

John Feliz, McClintock’s campaign manager, said he had been aware of Stoos’ religious views for years but had no information that McClintock knew of them.

Stoos said he has not discussed his religious views with McClintock, adding: “He didn’t hire me as his pastor. He hired me as his political advisor.”

408 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:33:50pm

re: #378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

May I have an "A"? Please?

No problem!

409 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:34:09pm

*Times* article...

410 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:34:09pm
411 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:34:11pm

re: #396 Dan G.

I don't think anyone is insisting on establishing a state religion here - and pro-actively banning meetings of a religious nature on ollege campuses seems overkill.

412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:34:13pm

re: #408 katemaclaren

No problem!

Yay!

413 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:34:18pm

re: #386 Scion9

Unfortunately I find it unlikely that any two-headed, syphilitic armadillos will live to the venerable age required to be eligible to run for the office.

Aren't they judged by dog-years?

414 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:34:18pm

re: #391 MandyManners

I've been boning up my skills with The Kid.

that'd be me...no tweeners

415 Dahveed  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:34:20pm

Does anyone have any knowledge of Senate rules? If Sherrod Brown is side-tracked and can't make it in to vote, can they just vote again another day when he does make it? This ridiculous thing will pass anyway, what's the difference if they wait until Tuesday.

416 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:34:28pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least he took the time to attend the memorial. I honestly don't fault Brown for his actions on this one (other than his vote for the porkilus bill, of course).

Hussein used it as a campaign excuse when she was dying. He could have taken the time to be there for her funeral. He is a POS. I know how I felt when I lost my parents zt"l 15 days apart. If the facility where I worked as an RN would not have given me the time to mourn, and to deal with their loss, I would have resigned. I was on an unpaid leave for about 12 weeks, as once the mourning period was up, as their only child, I had to deal with all the legalities, and selling the house. We did not live in the same state....I still remember what I felt like when the numbness wore off, and it was nearly 26 years ago.

I feel that Brown's place is with his family today and tomorrow, but family values do not seem to be a strong suit for the Demonrats.

I am not so sure that a Republican would do this.

417 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:34:52pm

re: #388 ShaneBorgess

Standard gubmint boilerplate which you can find in many bills to protect against ACLU and other lawsuits. Constitutional as can be.

Stretching this into "AntiChristian" when it clearly states "secular instruction" as well is as loony as the kookspiricists who think establishing emergency centers on unused goverment property == "Obama's Re-education Camps". It's as hysterical as the left pimping the notion that Cheney was building detetion camps in the US that the probably still pimps.

418 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:35:10pm

re: #411 ShaneBorgess

I don't think anyone is insisting on establishing a state religion here - and pro-actively banning meetings of a religious nature on ollege campuses seems overkill.

The bill says absolutely nothing about banning religious meetings.

419 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:35:31pm

re: #411 ShaneBorgess

Ignoring the well known fact that the Establishment Clause doesn't require actual establishment... you shill and wonder why others take impatient tones with you.

420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:36:04pm

re: #415 Dahveed

Oh, he's gonna make it. They're sending a plane to pick him up, let him vote, then take him back to Ohio. I'm sure that there is a provision in the Stimu-less to pay for his trip.

Senator Brown, by the way, my condolences, sir.

421 avanti  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:36:04pm

re: #388 ShaneBorgess

Sorry Charles - it's what I see.

Dan - this is what Is on De3mint's site:

If it's an over-reaction - I'd welcome that news...


Federal dollars can't go to building or improving religious structures. Nothing new there.

422 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:36:11pm

re: #419 Dan G.

Lighten up cupcake.

423 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:36:12pm

re: #388 ShaneBorgess

Sorry Charles - it's what I see.

Dan - this is what Is on De3mint's site:


If it's an over-reaction - I'd welcome that news...

What don't you understand about the following?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

424 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:36:16pm

re: #373 zombie

A friend of Enstein's asked that Einstein be admitted into a University despite Albert's theory of relativity. Please, who is it? We are short of geniuses.

425 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:36:17pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

You should post them of some math forum somewhere and see if people take interest in them.

It's not my responsibility to promote this guy's theories. If they have any validity, they should attract notice on their own merits.

I have no idea how I got on his list. I'm not a professional mathematician.

426 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:36:32pm

re: #375 katemaclaren

Hey, OLT, good to see you posting! I misssss Texas. I miss the bluebonnets and the pale pink poppies. I miss the FOOD and Lone Star beer and and and ...the Texas Two step with a real cowboy in a bar bigger than the white house.

You're welcome back anytime.

427 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:36:46pm

re: #393 Charles

Uh huh. Because we all know that politicians always tell the truth.

But what true Christian Reconstructionist (I don't actually know what one is by the way) would say “I’m very concerned that he’s continued those writings since he joined my staff"? I thought those people were PROUD of it, like Huckabee, Santorum, etc.

428 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:37:12pm

re: #411 ShaneBorgess

What about the most important part... that the only reason people like you are shilling is that this prevents religious organizations from receiving money. How is that oppression or anti-religion; no one is interferring with you as you practice your belief system?

429 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:37:18pm

Democrats
Republicans
Libertarians
Communists

Is this where we are in 2010 and 2012?

430 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:37:20pm

Wow..Darwins secret dairies is on National geographic.. great show!

431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:37:30pm

re: #425 zombie

I had four years of Algebra I.

432 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:37:31pm

re: #403 iLikeCandy

Thanos, that refers to his advisor, some guy named Stoos. McClintock and Stoos seem to disagree on this stuff.

?

Stoos is who I was referring to, sorry if I didn't make that clear. I'm drinking tonight. McClintock still has advisors from that camp however.

433 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:37:31pm

re: #378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

May I have an "A"? Please?

You get an evolutionary grade - a D 'n' A.

434 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:37:51pm

re: #422 ShaneBorgess

No asshole. Fuck with my country or Constitution, then you've crossed the line.

435 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:38:02pm

re: #421 avanti

Are we talking religion structures or structures on a campus rendered unusable for religion meetings once they've been infected by federal funds?

436 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:38:17pm

Tom McClintock is funded by the Dominionist Ahmanson Foundation:

[Link: www.theocracywatch.org...]

437 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:38:21pm

re: #425 zombie

Probably got on it when you sent that money to help out that guy doing wire transfers out of Nigeria;)

438 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:38:30pm

re: #434 Dan G.

LOL - alright...

439 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:38:42pm
440 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:38:59pm

re: #436 Charles

Tom McClintock is funded by the Dominionist Ahmanson Foundation:

[Link: www.theocracywatch.org...]

Which clearly explains Stoos. Follow the money...

441 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:39:14pm
442 Throbert McGee  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:39:18pm

re: #64 Desert Dog

I did not read the entire bill, but I did not see dollar set aside for extra lions down at the coliseum, nor one program for crucifixion mentioned.

As far as I know, the right-wing claims that the stimulus bill is "anti-religious" or "anti-Christian" are based entirely on ONE line that prohibits institutions of higher learning from using stimulus funds to construct or renovate buildings specifically dedicated for worship (even completely non-denominational chapels that any and all religious groups can reserve for use on a first-come, first-serve basis).

This got mutated into "colleges will have to ban Christian groups from accessing empty classrooms and multipurpose meeting rooms in the student activity center or library, or else they'll forfeit the stimulus money."

443 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:39:25pm

re: #401 albusteve

..she has reason for her intolerance..


I'm sure she does. The same could be said for David Duke, Pat Buchanan, etc. I'm not saying she's crazy, I just think she represents a poisonous element of conservatism.

444 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:39:32pm

re: #404 HoosierHoops

He still was a slow white guy that couldn't jump..

Oh my, they said that when he was playing...all the while he destroyed everyone and every defense that was thrown at him. Yup, limited talent Larry was.

And Duncan gets trashed regularly by smaller forwards. He is smart, but he ain't that quick. Saw Brandon F'ing Bass dunk on his butt recently!

445 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:39:44pm
446 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:39:57pm

re: #441 ploome hineni

why are you drinking?

put that glass down!

Nope, it's FRIIIIIIIIDAAAY!

447 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:39:59pm

re: #395 ShaneBorgess

Martyr cookies? Everyone a little tightly wound here tonight?


I think you have that 'Pot Kettle' problem. Your suggestion that this site is anti-religious just rubs some of us 'relgious folk' the wrong way. Sort of like stating that a gay is homophobic, or a Jew anti-semitic. If we step on your pet beliefs, state where the problem is. Don't try to dump on the site with 'broad bruch' statements or we will 'dump' back.

448 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:40:08pm
449 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:40:12pm

re: #411 ShaneBorgess

I don't think anyone is insisting on establishing a state religion here - and pro-actively banning meetings of a religious nature on ollege campuses seems overkill.

Where does it ban meetings of religious natures on college campuses? The prohibition is against use of federal funds for facilities whose PRIMARY function is religious.

450 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:40:13pm

re: #368 MandyManners

No. 1, I do believe God is real.

No. 2, it's never our business.

1. I figured that.

2. I can't stand being scolded on the topic by someone who isn't up to it themselves. That's why I want to know.

451 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:40:42pm

It gives me no joy to point these things out, by the way. I really hate that the far-right fundamentalists have such a grip on the GOP.

452 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:40:48pm
453 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:40:53pm

re: #411 ShaneBorgess

I don't think anyone is insisting on establishing a state religion here - and pro-actively banning meetings of a religious nature on ollege campuses seems overkill.

Do you wanna' pay to refurbish a mosque on a college campus?

454 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:40:56pm

re: #397 BatGuano

And you are disagreeing with me where? ;)

I would say Carly was augering in, but she did not quite manage to run HP into the ground.

Then again, a LOT of people dislike Carly BECAUSE of the Compaq deal.

455 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:41:00pm

re: #442 Throbert McGee

Coincidence? 14 Percent of U.S. Adults Can't Read

456 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:41:04pm

re: #439 Iron Fist

That might be the most outrageous thing - and why insertions like this with its gaudy strings attached make me wonder what else is in this bill that we don't know about...

457 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:41:06pm

Just checked. I will not be getting any tax breaks from the stimulus.

458 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:41:08pm

re: #448 ploome hineni

Ann Coulter.

459 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:41:23pm

re: #445 ploome hineni

No. I'm Dan.

460 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:41:26pm

re: #406 zombie

Maybe you'll get through better than I can.

461 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:41:51pm

re: #422 ShaneBorgess

Lighten up cupcake.

Oy.

462 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:41:54pm

re: #430 HoosierHoops

Wow..Darwins secret dairies is on National geographic.. great show!

Oh noes. Will ID nuts try to ban milk now?

463 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:02pm

re: #453 MandyManners

Do you wanna' pay to refurbish a mosque on a college campus?

PORK MOSQUE!

464 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:07pm

The Ahmanson Foundation is also one of the main sources of funding for the creationist Discovery Institute.

465 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:16pm

re: #415 Dahveed

This ridiculous thing will pass anyway, what's the difference if they wait until Tuesday.

Theoretically, it might actually get read and see the light of day.

In reality, Obama's coopted the Three Stooges of the Senate so it was done deal since last week

/as much as Collins and Specter went on the TV and threatened to change their vote if the House put the pork back in, the House put the pork back in, Collins and Specter never read the bill and voted for it anyway, pick your own adjective

466 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:24pm

re: #443 Killgore Trout

I'm sure she does. The same could be said for David Duke, Pat Buchanan, etc. I'm not saying she's crazy, I just think she represents a poisonous element of conservatism.

fair enough...am I a bigot since I am intolerant of radical Islam?....for example

467 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:28pm

re: #453 MandyManners

Footbaths for everyone!

468 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:34pm

re: #457 Afrocity

Just checked. I will not be getting any tax breaks from the stimulus.

Congratulations!

You are self-sufficient and manage your finances well.

469 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:43pm

re: #365 Charles

Tom McClintock is connected to the Christian Reconstructionist movement:

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

Damn. This is depressing. Really depressing.

470 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:55pm

re: #451 Charles

It gives me no joy to point these things out, by the way. I really hate that the far-right fundamentalists have such a grip on the GOP.

I hate this shit too, most Christians don't even realize where this is coming from, and how long it's percolated in some churche's leadership. Most churches look at this stuff aghast, but some have sympathy towards some of the philosophy, they are thinking "well we will just tone it down quite a bit, but head sort of in that direction".

471 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:56pm

re: #360 ShaneBorgess

Antipathy towards religion? We have more Jews here that on a lot of Jewish blogs, including Orthodox Jews. I am not Orthodox, obviously, as I am posting on the Sabbath, but Charles has given us a safe home, as he does to anyone of any religion, or to atheists and agnostics.

That was a despicable comment.

472 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:57pm

re: #447 Haverwilde

You're over-reacting - I know better than to underestimate this crowd, I've been coming here for years - I rarely comment because the conversation is so good here. I was only saying what many I hang with say. It doesn't take away from why I come here.

473 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:42:58pm
474 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:43:07pm

re: #445 ploome hineni

Walter is that you?

ha!...stole my post.....really

475 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:43:08pm

re: #455 Dan G.

Coincidence? 14 Percent of U.S. Adults Can't Read

you can thank the libs for that.
they have controlled education for 50 years.

476 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:43:11pm

re: #430 HoosierHoops

Wow..Darwins secret dairies is on National geographic.. great show!

How do you hide COWS?

Or was it goats?

/

477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:43:32pm

re: #453 MandyManners

Do you wanna' pay to refurbish a mosque on a college campus?

Or a statue of the Buddha? Confucius? Jesus? Vishnu?

478 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:43:46pm

re: #443 Killgore Trout

I'm sure she does. The same could be said for David Duke, Pat Buchanan, etc. I'm not saying she's crazy, I just think she represents a poisonous element of conservatism humanity.

Major tweak. Conservatives don't want to forcibly convert anyone.

479 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:44:13pm

re: #445 ploome hineni

Walter is that you?

LOL!

480 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:44:22pm

re: #466 albusteve

fair enough...am I a bigot since I am intolerant of radical Islam?


I don't think so but if you want to invade Islamic countries and forcibly convert them all to Christianity then I might feel different.

481 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:44:44pm
482 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:45:19pm
483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:45:20pm

re: #479 MandyManners

Funny thing? We used to make that joke about you.

484 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:45:22pm

re: #151 NY Nana

Now I know you and I know what all those fine lines were for on the test patterns, Nana.

Any young 'uns here willing to take a crack at it?

This is a test. :-)

485 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:45:26pm

re: #470 Thanos

That reminds me. Here is the work on Wedge Strategies I mentioned a while back. There are three parts.

In the context of these articles and what you mention above, christianity is a "wedge" for the theocrats.

486 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:45:26pm

re: #471 NY Nana

Religion per se, Nana, not religious people in particular. I would never believe that LGF is bigoted.

487 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:45:29pm

re: #450 iLikeCandy

1. I figured that.

2. I can't stand being scolded on the topic by someone who isn't up to it themselves. That's why I want to know.

Wait a second. Coulter talks about how everyone should be celibate?

FOR REAL?

488 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:45:32pm

re: #444 The Shadow Do

Oh my, they said that when he was playing...all the while he destroyed everyone and every defense that was thrown at him. Yup, limited talent Larry was.

And Duncan gets trashed regularly by smaller forwards. He is smart, but he ain't that quick. Saw Brandon F'ing Bass dunk on his butt recently!

LOL..ok I give up..But I did say top 10 of all time as a baller.. I remember as a kid seeing Bird playing against the Lakers pass the ball on a fast break behind his head..Greatest pass I've ever seen..Yet I have never seen the highlights ever..It would be number one on my best of highlights....Not even the NBA network has ever shown it..

489 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:45:48pm
490 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:46:05pm

re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FSM?

491 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:46:11pm

Well, rats. We could form a third party, but I am pretty darned sure that the next President of the United States is going to be either a Democrat or a Republican.

492 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:46:12pm

re: #390 Dan G.

"[...] that there is no such thing as randomness." I have no problem with this statement within a certain context. Is he talking metaphysically (i.e. there is no randomness in nature) or is he dealing only in concepts/abstractions?

He's talking about prime numbers -- which algorithms use as a source for "random" numbers since no consistent pattern has been calculated in them. Correct me if Im wrong, but Reimann lent strong axiomatic support to the concept (in lay terms) that, basically, you can't predict the precise occurrence of prime numbers; you simply have to hand-calculate out each one by hand to confirm it is prime.

This Chinese guy claims to have proven that, in theory, there is a function/equation/fomula which could indeed predict (i.e. generate a list of) prime numbers. He doesn't have the formula: he simply has proven that it could (and therefore does) exist. And if it exists (even if we humans have not yet worked it out), then prime numbers do NOT occur randomly, as they seem to do.

So yes, we're talking about mathematical abstractions, not physical objects; but as Einstein will tell you, once you've proven something theoretically, on paper, it's only a matter of time before a real-world connection is observed!

To bring it back to Huckabee: The absence of randomness could be seen as a confirmation of the existence of God.

493 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:46:23pm

re: #485 Dan G.

That reminds me. Here is the work on Wedge Strategies I mentioned a while back. There are three parts.

In the context of these articles and what you mention above, christianity is a "wedge" for the theocrats.


It also goes back to David Chilton's "three governances"

494 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:46:26pm

re: #478 MandyManners

Major tweak. Conservatives don't want to forcibly convert anyone.


I said she represented "an element of conservatism" not the whole movement. I don't think it does anybody any good to pretend that these people don't exist.

495 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:46:41pm

re: #451 Charles

It gives me no joy to point these things out, by the way. I really hate that the far-right fundamentalists have such a grip on the GOP.

Charles is NORAD X 2 for conservatives or just common sense folks. Thank you Charles for the ever-up defense shield. God knows no on else is doing this.

496 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:46:43pm

re: #475 nyc redneck

No. Blame the parents for being lazy. Individual responsibility.

497 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:46:44pm
Tom McClintock, a veteran activist and former director of economic and regulatory affairs of the Ahmanson-funded libertarian think tank Claremont Institute

A dangerous group of Christianists they are.

Upon seizing power, McClintock sponsored a bill returning the death penalty to California...

Seizing power? Really? He won an election, fercryingoutloud. That source's credibility is a bit wobbly, if you ask me.

498 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:47:15pm

re: #462 Bloodnok

Oh noes. Will ID nuts try to ban milk now?

/spell check on
//Idiot check off

499 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:47:25pm

re: #484 Bobibutu

The young'uns will have to Google the answer! ;)

500 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:47:32pm

The CPAC schedule this year, by the way, is absolutely lousy with creationists and fundamentalist fanatics. I counted four creationists giving speeches in the morning of the first day, then I stopped counting because it was too depressing.

501 avanti  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:47:35pm

60-38, stimulus bill passes.

502 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:47:58pm

re: #469 HelloDare

Damn. This is depressing. Really depressing.

The article is about Stoos, not McClintock. Read McClintock's disavowals. Charles is skeptical, but I've never had a reason to disbelieve McClintock. Disagree, yes.

503 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:48:13pm

re: #415 Dahveed

Hey Cubs fan!

504 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:48:20pm

if i was Huckabee, I would be happy that the bill is secular. it is a massive power grab. we do not want the government reaching into religion in this country with billions of dollars. next thing you know, there would be a fairness doctrine for homilies.

505 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:48:35pm

re: #497 Spiny Norman

A biased source doesn't tarnish the base facts. Ahmanson's not in favor of article VI of the constitution.

506 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:48:36pm
507 ShaneBorgess  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:48:47pm

re: #501 avanti

Damn...

I guess it's no use praying now!

508 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:48:51pm

re: #492 zombie

I follow, except the conclusion; I don't see how it follows. An orderly universe doesn't presuppose an orderer; just as structure (i.e. biological) doesn't presuppose an architect/designer.

509 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:48:53pm

But for McClintock and his like, California would have a 10 percent sales tax and a State Income tax up around 20 percent, plus higher fees for every single thing. We would be an economic desert.

510 Dahveed  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:48:56pm

re: #465 Killian Bundy

They've had the past five hours to read for the parts they disagree with and they could change their vote. They are now so invested in this that they won't change.

As far as I'm concerned using the adjective "criminal" doesn't begin to describe these three senators.

511 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:49:09pm

re: #506 ploome hineni

is that like a wedgie?

Triple wedgie with a twist

512 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:49:16pm

Republican's close ties with creationists is as damaging as the Democrats nominating John Kerry back in 2004. They are setting themselves up for a big fall.

513 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:49:27pm

re: #492 zombie

If true, that's the end of digital encryption. But he sounds like a crank to me...

514 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:49:38pm

re: #501 avanti

Did Spector vote on it?

515 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:49:43pm

re: #480 Killgore Trout

I don't think so but if you want to invade Islamic countries and forcibly convert them all to Christianity then I might feel different.

okay...she did say that...and you are the only person on the planet that believed her....c'mon Killgore gimme a break...we know Americans are stupid but this is between me and you and Ann...if I say the moon is made out of green cheese are you gonna take me serious?

516 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:49:44pm
Ahmanson's first major political success came in 1992, when he banded together with four right-wing businessmen to back the campaigns of anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-big business candidates to take over the California state Assembly. With $3 million funneled through seven pro-business, anti-abortion and Republican political action fronts, Ahmanson and company tipped the balance of the Legislature to the Republicans, capturing a startling 25 of the GOP's 39 seats for their candidates. Their push ushered two important movement cadres into power: Tom McClintock, a veteran activist and former director of economic and regulatory affairs of the Ahmanson-funded libertarian think tank Claremont Institute; and Ray Haynes, an unknown lawyer from another Ahmanson-funded group, the Western Center for Law and Justice, which once filed a brief defending a local school district for banning Gabriel Garcia Marquez's novel "One Hundred Years of Solitude."

Upon seizing power, McClintock sponsored a bill returning the death penalty to California, while Haynes led a failed 1995 attempt to ban state funding for abortion and numerous futile fights to block anti-hate crime and domestic partnership legislation. In 2003, the two Ahmanson cadres became instrumental figures in propelling the campaign to recall Democratic Gov. Gray Davis. In March 2003, Haynes personally convinced a fellow arch- conservative, U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, to bankroll the recall ballot qualification. After the recall qualified with the help of $1.7 million from Issa, McClintock entered the recall campaign, ultimately finishing third as the token cultural conservative. As in 1992, Ahmanson's camp provided the groundwork for McClintock's campaign: John Stoos, an avowed Reconstructionist associated with Chalcedon, served as his deputy campaign manager, and Ahmanson hosted some of the most prominent leaders in the Christian right for a fundraiser in Colorado in September that, according to the Los Angeles Times, raised $100,000.

517 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:49:51pm

re: #398 unclassifiable

That is neat in a weird sort of way.

Could you send me the prime number one (link blue)?

It is kind of my past time.

This Google search will probably lead you to some of his pdfs/papers.

518 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:49:57pm

re: #492 zombie

For what its worth I always though there was a generator but the form of it was quite a bit different than the usual numeric progressions.

519 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:50:02pm

re: #500 Charles

I'm anxious to see what garbage Coulter is going to spew about Obama. She knows she's going to get a lot of publicity if she uses the "n" word or other ethnic/religious slurs. She's done it before at CPAC. They are insane to have her speak.

520 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:50:08pm

re: #451 Charles

It gives me no joy to point these things out, by the way. I really hate that the far-right fundamentalists have such a grip on the GOP.

I was digging through a box of old stuff this afternoon when I ran across a button in support of Lt. Col. Oliver North. Under the photograph of him taken before Congress are the words: I was Contra when Contra wasn't Cool.

I could be wrong but, I believe that that was the beginning of the GOP's courting of conservative Christians. Surely this was not the end that the GOP had in sight way back then.

521 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:50:12pm
522 Dahveed  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:50:26pm

re: #503 Afrocity

Hey Cubs fan!

That I am. You?

523 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:50:30pm

re: #481 ploome hineni

hello

:D

how you doing?

vodka and Gatorade and KT is kickin my butt...life is good

524 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:50:37pm

re: #496 Dan G.

No. Blame the parents for being lazy. Individual responsibility.

teachers should be capable of doing their jobs.
or let go. if we can't get adequate teachers, let's abolish the system.

525 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:50:54pm
526 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:51:17pm
527 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:51:21pm

re: #509 rawmuse

But for McClintock and his like, California would have a 10 percent sales tax and a State Income tax up around 20 percent, plus higher fees for every single thing. We would be an economic desert.

If the current "compromise" budget is approved, it will only be 9.75%. Los Angeles County's sales tax will be 11.25%.

Fun, eh?

528 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:51:35pm

re: #515 albusteve


.if I say the moon is made out of green cheese are you gonna take me serious?


No.

529 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:52:04pm

Huckabee has it all wrong. There is no need to actually amend the Constitution to change it anymore. All you need are some legal opinions that twist the words in the Constitution to make them mean something other than what the words actually say. This has been the lib strategy for decades now. Who needs to go through the messy ordeal of a Constitutional Amendment. That is so last century.

That said, there isn't even a remote chance that the Huckabee crowd will be successful pushing through a Constitutional Amendment that changes the law of the land to meet God's standards, whatever the heck that means.

530 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:52:19pm

re: #525 ploome hineni

who cut the cheese?

Neil effing Armstrong!

531 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:52:26pm

For some reason, I can't stand the unseemly way so many of us have cheerfully jumped on Huckabee, calling him names, making fun of his former size....maybe it's just me, but this man seems decent and honest. For goodness sakes, can't we leave the piranha stuff to the Daily Kos?

532 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:52:38pm

re: #472 ShaneBorgess

You're over-reacting - I know better than to underestimate this crowd, I've been coming here for years - I rarely comment because the conversation is so good here. I was only saying what many I hang with say. It doesn't take away from why I come here.

I don't think I am over-reacting. Your comment:

I recognize that antipathy toward religion is a theme here on LGF - and I don't mind following the debate, but this place is getting darker and darker...


I find offensive and inaccurate. Even if it is stated by some you 'hang with,' it is still wrong. And if you frequent this site, you should know that.

533 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:52:56pm

re: #528 Killgore Trout

No.

case closed I win pass the Red Stripe....who's your favorite Beatle?

534 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:53:06pm

re: #517 zombie

Based on the abstract from the first return of the search you provided, I concur; he's a kook. The reason for the number of digits has to do with molecular and cell biology, not numerology. Crackpot.

535 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:53:18pm

re: #488 HoosierHoops

LOL..ok I give up..But I did say top 10 of all time as a baller.. I remember as a kid seeing Bird playing against the Lakers pass the ball on a fast break behind his head..Greatest pass I've ever seen..Yet I have never seen the highlights ever..It would be number one on my best of highlights....Not even the NBA network has ever shown it..

Hi Hoosier, I was at some of the games he played at ISU (go Trees!). He remains the most amazing college basketball player I have ever seen in person and that includes some folks like the Big-O. He took 4 Jr. college guys through an undefeated season and fought like hell for the championship. Damn you Magic! He at least had some talent around him.

536 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:53:21pm

re: #522 Dahveed

Cubs fan indeed!

537 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:53:29pm

re: #527 Spiny Norman

They could raise the tax to 50 percent. It won't matter, since no one will have any money anyway. Economic activity will come to a complete halt.

538 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:53:31pm
539 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:53:37pm

re: #531 katemaclaren

For some reason, I can't stand the unseemly way so many of us have cheerfully jumped on Huckabee, calling him names, making fun of his former size....maybe it's just me, but this man seems decent and honest. For goodness sakes, can't we leave the piranha stuff to the Daily Kos?

Did you miss the quote I posted, in which Mike Huckabee explicity says he wants to overturn the US Constitution to make it "in line with God's standards?"

That's fine with you?

540 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:53:37pm

re: #524 nyc redneck

My son will not enter the education system, period.

541 avanti  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:53:38pm

re: #514 Afrocity

Did Spector vote on it?

I think the vote was the same as the first time, but without Sen. Kennedy.

542 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:53:41pm

re: #413 MandyManners

Aren't they judged by dog-years?

It's not actually the YEARS that will get them--it's the traffic!

543 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:53:57pm

re: #454 OldLineTexan

Yeah, Mark Hurd did do well. I didn't say that Carly destroyed HP, just that she did enough damage to get the boot. Hurd had done very well.

544 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:54:04pm

Do we know which Reps voted for this bill yet? It passed 60-38

545 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:54:19pm

re: #533 albusteve

Ringo. He knew how to ride the coat tails of geniuses and not get in the way.

546 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:54:26pm

re: #521 ploome hineni

vodka?

Naw, straight Hennessy tonight, but vodka would be nice if I had some now that I think on it.

547 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:54:35pm

re: #487 MandyManners

Wait a second. Coulter talks about how everyone should be celibate?

FOR REAL?

I never said that.

548 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:55:03pm

re: #537 rawmuse

no, democratic senators will still have their money, they don't pay taxes...its their plan

549 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:55:07pm

re: #436 Charles

Tom McClintock is funded by the Dominionist Ahmanson Foundation:

[Link: www.theocracywatch.org...]

I dunno, these articles seem a bit like hit pieces. I still don't see any out-front evidence that McClintock espouses any of these views (as a politician).

He may be an extremist -- I don't know. But he hasn't stood on the Capitol steps and announced any of these things, taken ownership of them.

550 nanook  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:55:11pm

re: #464 Charles

So is their cheer Ahman Rah!

Sorry, I had to say it.....

551 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:55:11pm

re: #501 avanti

60-38, stimulus bill passes.

Not with a bang but a whimper.

Now, nail your wallet to something solid and brace for the bureaucratic Bonkey orgasmic frothing saliva tsunami.

/Challenge on Stimulus: Spending All That Money

552 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:55:22pm

The only thing I would like to see changed in the constitution or whatever governs it is get rid of the electoral college.

553 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:55:34pm
554 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:55:53pm

Which Reps voted FOR it in Senate?

555 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:56:03pm

re: #543 BatGuano

Yeah, Mark Hurd did do well. I didn't say that Carly destroyed HP, just that she did enough damage to get the boot. Hurd had done very well.

OK, I guess I misunderstood. I read a lot of Compaq-bashing articles during the "merger" (buyout). Most from CA, and most way off-base.

556 Dahveed  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:56:07pm

re: #536 Afrocity

Cubs fan indeed!

I am a little unhappy with the Milton Bradley pickup and Mark DeRosa being gone. But if they pick up another starter (Peavy), I think I could live with the losses.

557 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:56:54pm
558 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:57:02pm

re: #514 Afrocity

Did Spector vote on it?

/yeah, all three Quislings licked their master's hand hours ago

559 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:57:18pm

re: #539 Charles

Did you miss the quote I posted, in which Mike Huckabee explicity says he wants to overturn the US Constitution to make it "in line with God's standards?"

That's fine with you?

Yes, I did miss it. I'll take a look. However, he isn't going to be President and since some of my friends have some pretty strange ideas--and they won't be in any position to implement them, I just let it pass. I've harbored some pretty radical ideas in my time--but grew out of them, thankfully.

560 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:57:39pm

re: #545 Killgore Trout

Ringo. He knew how to ride the coat tails of geniuses and not get in the way.

it pains me to agree with you...

561 nanook  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:57:46pm

re: #425 zombie

It's not my responsibility to promote this guy's theories. If they have any validity, they should attract notice on their own merits.

I have no idea how I got on his list. I'm not a professional mathematician.

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

562 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:57:52pm

Obnoxious faux-evolutionist troll still at it on the Darwin birthday thread. I'm driven to the conclusion that not just Chomsky, but anyone who goes by a name or nic that starts with "Noam Ch..." is an idiotic fucking wanker.

563 Dahveed  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:58:02pm

I hope that he people of Nevada get it right and throw Harry Reid out of office. He is pissing me off more and more everyday.

564 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:58:11pm

re: #558 Killian Bundy

/yeah, all three Quislings licked their master's hand hours ago

Well, as long as they're not "socons", this proves that they're "moderates" and therefore the future of the GOP, right?

/

565 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:58:19pm

re: #549 zombie

They lost me as soon as my eyes crossed the phrase " McClintock seized power".
That is a blatant lie. There was an election, and he won.
That is journalistic malfeasance, at the very least.

566 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:58:32pm

Well gang. Porkulus passed.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Are we in deep shit now.

567 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:58:37pm

re: #517 zombie

Thanks.

Keep forgetting about your anonymity.

Sorry.

568 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:58:49pm

re: #557 taxfreekiller

one person rule is not good any place any time any where

Who didnt vote?

569 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:58:50pm

re: #552 Afrocity

The only thing I would like to see changed in the constitution or whatever governs it is get rid of the electoral college.

If it wasn't for the electoral College the only people elected pres would be from NY or California..It levels the playing field..
Hi Afrocity...Hope today finds you well

570 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:05pm

re: #508 Dan G.

I follow, except the conclusion; I don't see how it follows. An orderly universe doesn't presuppose an orderer; just as structure (i.e. biological) doesn't presuppose an architect/designer.

I know; I was just tossing that out there, to bring the whole Riemann thing back to the topic of thread.

571 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:16pm
572 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:22pm

re: #549 zombie

I dunno, these articles seem a bit like hit pieces. I still don't see any out-front evidence that McClintock espouses any of these views (as a politician).

He may be an extremist -- I don't know. But he hasn't stood on the Capitol steps and announced any of these things, taken ownership of them.

I wonder how many of these nefarious outfits that damn him as a "Christian Reconstructionist" donated money to the George W. Bush campaigns.

He "shredded the Constitution" as you may recall...

573 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:27pm

re: #570 zombie

I see, thanks for clarifying.

574 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:28pm

re: #527 Spiny Norman

If the current "compromise" budget is approved, it will only be 9.75%. Los Angeles County's sales tax will be 11.25%.

Fun, eh?

There may be more to come. This is an excellent article on the perfect storm of financial troubles New York and California have gotten themselves into.

575 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:36pm

re: #552 Afrocity

The only thing I would like to see changed in the constitution or whatever governs it is get rid of the electoral college.

WHY? The electoral college is one of the finest aspects of our Republic. It keeps the small states relevant in the Presidential elections.

576 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:41pm

re: #513 Basho

If true, that's the end of digital encryption. But he sounds like a crank to me...

Yes, and maybe yes.

577 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:42pm
578 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:46pm

re: #564 OldLineTexan

naw, they sold their souls but they will still lose when the election comes around. GOP is going to nail them to the wall in their primaries.

579 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:49pm

re: #531 katemaclaren

For some reason, I can't stand the unseemly way so many of us have cheerfully jumped on Huckabee, calling him names, making fun of his former size....maybe it's just me, but this man seems decent and honest. For goodness sakes, can't we leave the piranha stuff to the Daily Kos?

I musta' missed the stuff about his weight issues.

That said, do you agree with his stated desire to erase the First Amendment? To destroy that which makes America unique and free?

580 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:52pm

re: #502 iLikeCandy

The article is about Stoos, not McClintock. Read McClintock's disavowals. Charles is skeptical, but I've never had a reason to disbelieve McClintock. Disagree, yes.

Yeah, but I recall past statements from McClintock when he ran for governor. I forget exactly what they were, but red flags went up. Now to hear who funds him and about Stoos, well, maybe he is okay. I have my doubts.

581 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:53pm

re: #517 zombie

Ugh... I was right. Definitely a crank.

582 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 7:59:58pm

re: #549 zombie

1. He's funded by them
2. His chief operative is their lackey
3. He does push their issues

We might agree with some of DI's issues but I don't think there's a real lizard out there who would support the whole agenda. He would probably push one of their "Academic Freedom" bills except in CA it's definitely a no sale, non option that flat wouldn't fly, no matter the amount of Ahmanson's money behind it.

583 oh_dude  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:00:00pm

OK, so it looks like now that the Republicans took a whooping during the last election, the customary finger-pointing has begun. The blame this time around? Conservative Christians.

Who can we weed out? Why the Bible-thumpers of course (nobody liked them anyway). Plus they don't believe in Evolution. What a bunch of dopes.

My question is that now that the Republicans are hanging out the "Fundamentalist Christians Not Welcome" sign, who will these people vote for?

1. Republicans, despite the fact that they aren't really welcome?
2. Democrats, because they'll be lured by their siren song of acceptance?
3. Neither?

584 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:00:06pm

re: #500 Charles

The CPAC schedule this year, by the way, is absolutely lousy with creationists and fundamentalist fanatics. I counted four creationists giving speeches in the morning of the first day, then I stopped counting because it was too depressing.

Have you thought about showing up for the purpose of kicking the soapbox out from under some of these dopes?

585 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:00:27pm

Senate passed it.

586 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:00:29pm

For any lizards who could use a chill-out tune right now:
Chung King - Making Music

Youtube Video
587 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:00:44pm

re: #542 katemaclaren

It's not actually the YEARS that will get them--it's the traffic!

Gotta' get some pep in their steps.

588 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:00:51pm

re: #562 Jimmah

Obnoxious faux-evolutionist troll still at it on the Darwin birthday thread. I'm driven to the conclusion that not just Chomsky, but anyone who goes by a name or nic that starts with "Noam Ch..." is an idiotic fucking wanker.

LMAO!
OMG I had the exact same thought yesterday!

589 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:00:56pm

re: #549 zombie

I dunno, these articles seem a bit like hit pieces. I still don't see any out-front evidence that McClintock espouses any of these views (as a politician).

He may be an extremist -- I don't know. But he hasn't stood on the Capitol steps and announced any of these things, taken ownership of them.

All I can tell you is that I've been following McClintock's career for years, and he absolutely is connected with Dominionists and far-right fundamentalist groups. I picked out those links from a quick Google search, but it's pretty easy to find more.

590 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:01:09pm

re: #547 iLikeCandy

I never said that.

Oh. Okay.

591 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:01:32pm

re: #571 ploome hineni

I think she wants to sell books

and she does a damn good job

and she throws out this chum,, so the LLL has something to swarm around and keep the waters roiling

and, she mostly deals with idiots, and she laughs at them

she is very very very smart

yes but can she make a cello?...I think not the silly bitch

592 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:01:41pm
593 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:02:04pm

re: #552 Afrocity

The only thing I would like to see changed in the constitution or whatever governs it is get rid of the electoral college.

I do believe I agree with you.

594 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:02:12pm

re: #464 Charles

Charles, who are righteous? I just want representatives who conform to my political philosophy. If they try to impose their deviated religious preversions I
will be in the front lines to oppose them.

595 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:02:23pm

re: #587 MandyManners

Gotta' get some pep in their steps.

Ever scare one? They jump straight up - into the front bumper!

596 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:02:40pm

re: #583 oh_dude

Don't care.

597 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:03:00pm

re: #575 Mich-again

WHY? The electoral college is one of the finest aspects of our Republic. It keeps the small states relevant in the Presidential elections.

Why not allow the true number of voters decide the outcome?

598 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:03:06pm

re: #552 Afrocity

The only thing I would like to see changed in the constitution or whatever governs it is get rid of the electoral college.

Good grief NO! That would open the door to just a popular vote for President. What a disaster that would be for those of us in the small states.

599 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:03:11pm
600 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:03:27pm

re: #591 albusteve

yes but can she make a cello?...I think not the silly bitch

There, there now. Violins never solved anything.

601 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:03:44pm

re: #580 HelloDare

Oh, the red flags went up for me, too, on the issues. But not on his character. I could live with him as governor. Let's face it, with the population of this state (I'm from CA, too), he'd NEVER get his abortion wish.

602 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:04:01pm

re: #597 MandyManners

Why not allow the true number of voters decide the outcome?

Because politicians would only campaign in the major population centers, since that is all that would matter anymore.

603 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:04:03pm

re: #585 Bobibutu

Senate passed it.

Youtube Video
604 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:04:05pm

re: #600 OldLineTexan

There, there now. Violins never solved anything.

I'll stop fiddling around with it then

605 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:04:16pm

re: #381 Killian Bundy

I don't blame him. I blame Obama, Pelosi, and Reid for jamming this through before anyone who voted could even read it. And there's a good reason for that. It sucks more than any legislation in the last 75 years.
/just wait until next week, when the final version gets picked apart, it's ugly, a sham, wrapped in a travesty, inside an abomination

Point taken. And yes, it is the worst 'bill' in at least 75 years, possibly in our history, and yet it is going to probably pass. How I wish that there will be a light bulb going off over the needed number of Demonrats, and the 3 idiot Republicans, but it seems that it is not going to happen.

Our great-great-great grandkids yet unborn will still be paying for this monstrosity. Their education? Will they be able to get a real one, university included? And health care? The world we know will be gone because of this bill. Damn them. Just damn them for this abomination.

If only this could happen...if only.

Youtube Video
606 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:04:17pm

re: #595 OldLineTexan

Ever scare one? They jump straight up - into the front bumper!

No shit?

607 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:04:26pm

re: #597 MandyManners

Why not allow the true number of voters decide the outcome?

Ask anyone in New York about NYC vs. the rest of the state.

Then take that nation-wide.

608 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:04:30pm

We are all being "stimulated". Don't you feel better now?

609 Throbert McGee  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:04:31pm

re: #388 ShaneBorgess

Sorry Charles - it's what I see.

(2) PROHIBITED USES OF FUNDS.—No funds awarded under this section may be used for—
(C) modernization, renovation, or repair of facilities—
(i) used for sectarian instruction, religious worship, or a school or department of divinity; or
(ii) in which a substantial portion of the functions of the facilities are subsumed in a religious mission; or construction of new facilities.

The only ambiguity I can see in this, Shane, is the phrase I've bolded.

Apparently, you're taking the language to mean that if a school allowed Campus Crusade for Christ to meet in an unused classroom on Friday nights, this would amount to a "substantial portion of the functions of the facilities," and thus the entire building would be off-limits for stimulus funding?

And therefore, if the building's roof were in dire need of renovation, the school would have to ban CCC from the using this one room on Fridays before they could request stimulus funds to fix the roof?

As I said in #442, I'm pretty sure that this section in the bill pertains to designated chapels only, but I want to be sure that I understand where you're coming from in reading the bill's language.

610 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:04:46pm

re: #592 Iron Fist

Right, but to approach this as its either the religious right's constitutional destruction or the democrats is to provide a false dichotomy; I'll choose neither, thanks.

611 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:05:07pm

re: #598 Haverwilde

Good grief NO! That would open the door to just a popular vote for President. What a disaster that would be for those of us in the small states.

Aren't we all citizens of the U.S. of A., no matter what the size of our state?

612 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:05:09pm

re: #604 albusteve

I'll stop fiddling around with it then

If you don't you'll get all strung out

613 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:05:16pm

re: #586 Jimmah

Sweet tune.

614 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:05:31pm

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK

615 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:05:31pm
616 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:05:33pm
617 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:05:35pm

re: #606 MandyManners

No shit?

Plenty, right before impact.

618 iLikeCandy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:05:51pm

re: #594 BatGuano

If they try to impose their deviated religious preversions

And with that, I'm going to go contaminate my precious bodily fluids. Good night, all, nice chatting.

619 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:06:06pm

re: #608 Elcid

Get your hand out of my pants!

/

620 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:06:09pm

re: #612 Thanos

If you don't you'll get all strung out

I'm not gonna fret about it

621 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:06:26pm

re: #538 ploome hineni

he is a cynical opportunist narcissist and
FLIM FLAM MAN

I don;t trust him one bit

Ploomie,

Actually you are being too kind to Hucklebrain.

622 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:06:26pm

re: #611 MandyManners

Aren't we all citizens of the U.S. of A., no matter what the size of our state?

That was not the intent of the framers, who sought a limited Federal government.
Everything has been turned on its head.

623 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:06:51pm

re: #575 Mich-again

I believe that it gives too much power to swing states and discourages people from voting.

624 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:06:55pm

re: #606 MandyManners

No shit?

I have PERSONALLY snuck up on one and yelled at it, propelling it straight up.

Little bastard was digging up the front yard again. They don't have great eyesight OR hearing. But they can smell and dig.

625 mikulla  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:07:06pm

Hannity is a D' bag. That's all that really needs to be said.

626 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:07:09pm
627 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:07:19pm

re: #597 MandyManners

Why not allow the true number of voters decide the outcome?

/because New York, California, and the major urban areas would elect every President without the Electoral College, think about it

628 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:07:26pm
629 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:07:50pm

re: #607 OldLineTexan

Ask anyone in New York about NYC vs. the rest of the state.

Then take that nation-wide.

Are we not equal to each other, no matter the state, the city, the borough in which we live?

630 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:07:50pm

re: #608 Elcid

We are all being "stimulated". Don't you feel better now?

/my ass is already sore

631 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:07:54pm
632 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:07:54pm

re: #592 Iron Fist

At least Huckabee is willing to admit that he'd have to amend the Constitution do do what he wants.

Agreed. Even though I disagree with his aims, I recognize that at least he respects the system and says he wants to change it but from within the legal framework provided.

For decades now liberal judges have avoided all the inconvenience of amendments and created law out of thin air. Like I said, Who needs a Constitutional Amendment anymore. All you need are judges who agree that the Constitution should be read to mean something totally different than what it actually says.

633 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:08:06pm

re: #619 Dan G.

LOL.

634 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:08:16pm
635 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:08:28pm

re: #562 Jimmah

Obnoxious faux-evolutionist troll still at it on the Darwin birthday thread.

I usually enjoy going back to the old blogs and continuing the discussion and/or debate... But a couple of recent members, the guy you mentioned included, just drove me up the wall.

It's those faux-evolutionist trolls that raise my blood pressure the most.

636 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:08:29pm

I've always interpreted the electoral college to mean that rather than the nation having an election, each state has its own presidential election, and the state votes are partially weighted by population, and partially evenly distributed across the states, like our congress.

637 jaunte  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:08:30pm

re: #624 OldLineTexan

I have PERSONALLY snuck up on one and yelled at it, propelling it straight up.

Little bastard was digging up the front yard again. They don't have great eyesight OR hearing. But they can smell and dig.

Those little guys dig like rototillers. Covered up my front walk in dirt in about 3 minutes.

638 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:08:40pm

re: #603 gmsc

[Video]

Mr. Ponzi was an amateur.

639 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:08:43pm

re: #597 MandyManners

Why not allow the true number of voters decide the outcome?

A popular vote for the President would be a disaster for the US.

640 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:09:04pm

re: #629 MandyManners

Are we not equal to each other, no matter the state, the city, the borough in which we live?

Define "equal". Does that mean we should all be the same height, weight, have the same IQ, make the same money, own the same things?

641 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:09:08pm

re: #634 ploome hineni

What? You're going to keep it there ploome? ;)

642 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:09:14pm

re: #625 mikulla

Hannity is a D' bag. That's all that really needs to be said.

he is part of the process that determines what you think...no thanks

643 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:09:31pm

re: #588 Basho

LMAO!
OMG I had the exact same thought yesterday!

LOL. Good to know.

644 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:09:38pm

re: #583 oh_dude

If all "Conservative Christians" want to amend the First Amendment to "bring Christian principals back into the law" and promote ID as science then yes you are right.

But quite frankly I don't believe that all Conservative Christians hold those values.

645 oh_dude  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:09:49pm

re: #596 Dan G.

You should tell that to the new head of the RNC.

Yeah, I know we lost again, but we've got standards!

Last I checked, parties win elections based on electoral votes.

You think the DNC is that concerned about who votes for them?

They're registering dead people for God's sake.

646 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:09:50pm

re: #579 MandyManners

I musta' missed the stuff about his weight issues.

That said, do you agree with his stated desire to erase the First Amendment? To destroy that which makes America unique and free?

Mandy, he can't do that. Amending the Constitution is VERY VERY HARD. Thank goodness. I'd like to amend it, too, The electoral college--pffft. Not to mention a few tweaks here and there about how Congress operates--TERM limits, for example. I don't think he tried to change the Arkansas constitution, saying there is actually one of those! ;-) I'm not a Huckabee supporter, particularly, I just think he doesn't deserve getting beaten up over his personal appearance or called names.

647 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:10:17pm

re: #614 gmsc

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK

Now that the "stimulus" bill has passed, to they need to add a leap trillion?

648 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:10:19pm
649 little boomer  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:10:24pm

re: #597 MandyManners

Why not allow the true number of voters decide the outcome?


Mandy, The electoral college is like the World Series. If the Red Sox Defeat the Cubs in three games 10-0, and the Cubs beat the RS in four games 1-0, the RS don't win the World Series 30 to 4. They lose the series 4-3. Every game is important. Read every state, especially small ones.

650 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:10:27pm

re: #629 MandyManners

Are we not equal to each other, no matter the state, the city, the borough in which we live?

Without the EC, a few major cities will choose our government.

NYC is the tail that wags NY state.

651 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:10:41pm

re: #605 NY Nana

Passed about 20 mins ago. Nana? Nana?

652 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:10:49pm

re: #626 ploome hineni

don;t fret about it

You know now that the stimubust is past, we all should be just slap bass happy.

653 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:10:58pm

re: #571 ploome hineni

I think she wants to sell books

and she does a damn good job

and she throws out this chum,, so the LLL has something to swarm around and keep the waters roiling

and, she mostly deals with idiots, and she laughs at them

she is very very very smart

i agree, i enjoy her books. i always laugh.
i love that she makes the nyt best seller list, every time.
tho i don't think they have ever lowered themselves to review any of her books.

654 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:11:27pm

re: #652 Thanos

i feel stimulated, don't you

655 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:11:28pm

re: #639 Mich-again

A popular vote for the President would be a disaster for the US.

Well I sure as hell am tired of sitting home on an election night looking at the states of Florida and Ohio.

656 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:11:42pm

...on the other hand, the Electoral College serves a pretty good purpose--now that I think about it. Big cities would be electing our President unless the Electoral College evened things out a bit.

Perhaps something should be added to the Constitution about who gets to work on the Census, though. That's a bit loosey-goosey for my taste.

657 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:11:58pm

re: #645 oh_dude

Fuck if I care if they win the election just to do the same damned thing the dems do. Prescription drug care? Dedicating a tremendous portion off the west-coast as a National Monument (to prevent resource development), the list goes on. You act like its ok to get goosed so long as it is done by Republicans.

658 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:12:04pm

re: #613 Basho

It's a beauty. Letting it wash over me just now...

659 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:12:12pm

re: #647 jwb7605

Now that the "stimulus" bill has passed, to they need to add a leap trillion?

Very funny! I think they do--maybe we should measure this in light years.

660 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:12:25pm

re: #648 ploome hineni

You said, "you wish" to my request, as though my request wouldn't be granted... ;)

661 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:12:29pm

re: #654 mrshankly01

i can't wait to spend my 13 dollars...hmmm, the magic i can buy

662 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:12:45pm

re: #655 Afrocity

Well I sure as hell am tired of sitting home on an election night looking at the states of Florida and Ohio.

too bad...that's the way it is

663 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:13:07pm

re: #647 jwb7605

Now that the "stimulus" bill has passed, to they need to add a leap trillion?

That won't happen until 0bama signs it into law.

664 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:13:19pm

re: #650 OldLineTexan

Getting rid of the Electoral College is a sure-fire way to lead to the dissolution of our Union.

665 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:13:20pm

re: #585 Bobibutu

Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn it.

/Did I forget to say damn it?

666 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:13:26pm

re: #654 mrshankly01

i feel stimulated, don't you

Thoroughly... until tax day

667 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:13:57pm

Now that ACORN got in excess of 4 billion dollars, you won't have to worry about Florida and Ohio anymore. You will have to worry about every state.

668 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:14:08pm
669 jorline  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:14:09pm

Very funny commercial...Bridgestone.

Watch for the GAZE.

670 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:14:45pm

re: #631 ploome hineni

ROTFL!

671 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:14:55pm

re: #666 Thanos

aww, screw taxes, i am going to quit my job and try to get one of those new jobs advising people how to live green, couldn't be to hard, better than the army

672 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:15:13pm

re: #667 rawmuse

Now that ACORN got in excess of 4 billion dollars, you won't have to worry about Florida and Ohio anymore. You will have to worry about every state.

hope that is repealed come '10

673 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:15:19pm
674 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:15:55pm
675 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:16:08pm

re: #655 Afrocity

Well in principal the electoral college keeps a handful of big states or a regional candidate with over enthusiastic regional turnout from winning the election.

Perhaps the better solution is to make it a congressional district by congressional district electoral system. In other words the candidate that wins the majority of votes for the district gets the district's electoral vote.

676 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:16:12pm

re: #662 albusteve

So what is the difference then. For the past 20 years the same 4 states have been determining the outcome. How is that any different from a few urban areas determining the outcome?

677 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:16:13pm

re: #585 Bobibutu

Senate passed it.

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
678 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:16:24pm

re: #672 albusteve

hope that is repealed come '10

2010 is when most of the money gets released, prior to the election.
After all, that is what ACORN does, is rig elections.

679 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:16:26pm

re: #674 ploome hineni

Nevermind.

680 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:16:26pm

re: #665 NY Nana

Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn it.

/Did I forget to say damn it?

OK. Here's the plan now. We convince Obama not to sign it.
/

681 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:16:43pm

re: #611 MandyManners

Aren't we all citizens of the U.S. of A., no matter what the size of our state?

As it now stands some citizens have more rights than others. The citizens of California have more impact on decisions in the State of Alaska than do those of us in Alaska. Through political muscle the Feds have stopped any development or utilization of large sections of my State. In fact the Feds because of pressure from the Sierra Club and others have set aside land equal to the land mass of the state of Texas.
It has happened even though our state has more representation in the electoral college. Imagine what would happen next. I live in a forest we can't log, and in a mineral rich region we can't mine. Soon I will be banned from fishing and hunting, the Feds have already give more unequalt rights to fish and game to other groups in Alaska that is now destroying those resources.
I better quit now. You should get the idea. A full democracy will destroy my way of life.

682 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:16:49pm

re: #582 Thanos

1. He's funded by them
2. His chief operative is their lackey
3. He does push their issues

We might agree with some of DI's issues but I don't think there's a real lizard out there who would support the whole agenda. He would probably push one of their "Academic Freedom" bills except in CA it's definitely a no sale, non option that flat wouldn't fly, no matter the amount of Ahmanson's money behind it.

Well, as far as I know, at the moment McClintock is not running in any election I could vote in. When and if he does, I will look into his views more carefully this time.

If it indeed turns out that McClintick is a hyper-social-conservative, then the previous Calif Guv election had the worst selection of candidates ever.

683 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:16:50pm

Dudes and dudettes, I want to link to a You tube video. How do I do that? Copy and paste the URL doesn't seem to work.

684 oh_dude  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:17:17pm

re: #644 unclassifiable

Oh, I don''t believe that either, but the perceived flavor of this posting seems to lump everyone into the same boat.

Look at the number of postings regarding Creationism & Evolution at LGF. What is the overall message?

685 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:17:22pm

re: #630 Killian Bundy

We are all going to need massive quantities of soothing balm, cause that's exactly where this stimulus is going to get us.

I would say much worse concerning Obama, his stimulus and his Lefties buds, but it would come out like [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] [deleted] and [deleted]

I do think I can get away in saying, I'm purchasing sharp pointy projectiles, that fit inside of something that their boots velocity.

686 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:17:39pm
687 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:17:43pm

re: #677 gmsc

[Video]

Gave me a big chill.

688 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:18:31pm

re: #651 Bobibutu

[Deleted][deleted][deleted][deleted][deleted].

And this, also.

689 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:18:36pm

If a Democratic politician came out and said he/she wanted to amend the Constitution to make it more in line with atheism, would that also be OK with you folks who don't see anything wrong with what Huckabee said?

690 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:18:38pm
691 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:18:49pm

funny, it started raining again when the stimulus passed

692 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:18:50pm

re: #676 Afrocity

So what is the difference then. For the past 20 years the same 4 states have been determining the outcome. How is that any different from a few urban areas determining the outcome?

that is the history of the electorate...the difference is the vast population inequality between Ohio and NYC for example...you are missing the point

693 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:18:53pm

re: #636 EmmmieG

The other thing the Electoral College gives us is the two-party system. The candidate needs a majority of electoral votes, not simply a plurality. And even if a 3rd Party candidate ran a strong presidential campaign and won enough states to keep both of the other candidates from getting a majority, the election would then go the House where each State's contingency (no matter how large) would get one single vote. So Rhode Island and California and every other state would each get one single vote. That would run out the 3rd Party candidate.

The alternative is the multi-party Parliamentary system. And as much as I may not like the two-party system I think it is superior to the multi-party system. To me it boils down to this. The two-party system forces candidates to attract the center. The multi-party system does the opposite and attracts from the edges.

694 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:19:07pm

After all, they'd have to go through the process, right?

695 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:19:11pm

re: #661 mrshankly01

i can't wait to spend my 13 dollars...hmmm, the magic i can buy

I'm right on the edge of the single making 75k. You may be looking at one of the "rich" 5% not getting stimulated ;>}

/I want my Country back.

696 oh_dude  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:19:11pm

re: #657 Dan G.

Good luck with that Bro.

697 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:19:40pm

re: #678 rawmuse

2010 is when most of the money gets released, prior to the election.
After all, that is what ACORN does, is rig elections.

funny that....should we be suspicious?

698 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:19:45pm

re: #688 NY Nana

[Deleted][deleted][deleted][deleted][deleted].

And this, also.

Yes - I also want to keep my account.

699 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:19:54pm

re: #618 iLikeCandy

Good night ,Candy.

700 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:19:56pm

re: #589 Charles

All I can tell you is that I've been following McClintock's career for years, and he absolutely is connected with Dominionists and far-right fundamentalist groups. I picked out those links from a quick Google search, but it's pretty easy to find more.

Well, I trust you on that, but at the moment I can't work up the motivation to research McClintock and his views/supporters. If he runs statewide, I will definitely assess him carefully.

701 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:20:05pm

re: #668 Iron Fist

They may call it stimulating, but it feels pretty fucking close to rape to me.

Oh, I meant to email you today. I'm definately interested in having a meet up. I think there are a number of Tennessee Lizards that we've never met. MacGuyver and Giggles probably won't be able to make it, because they've moved way the hell and gone into the middle of nowhere. Wednesday is out for me and the Mafia Princess, but any other time should be good.

It's been too long. Time is flying like a motherfucker.

Boy howdy, is it ever...Hope you got my email addy forwarded.

702 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:20:19pm

re: #658 Jimmah

Clicked over to Voodoo. Good song too.

703 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:20:47pm

re: #689 Charles

Nope.

704 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:20:55pm

re: #694 Charles

I have a feeling we are all about to get a lesson in changing the US Constitution, whether we want one or not, but, not the way Huckabee envisions.

705 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:20:59pm
Youtube Video

/look on the bright side, a couple hours of street begging and you'll be able to afford a nutritious meal

706 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:21:09pm

re: #676 Afrocity

So what is the difference then. For the past 20 years the same 4 states have been determining the outcome. How is that any different from a few urban areas determining the outcome?

It really overall is a fair system..It beats the Hell out of one or two states having all the say...and the divisions the last 20 years were more idealist that popular sentiment..let me ask you one question.. If most of America lived in Florida..How would you feel about election day? :)

707 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:21:29pm
708 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:21:31pm

re: #696 oh_dude

Yea, your approach is returning all kinds of dividends...

/

709 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:21:56pm

re: #684 oh_dude

Oh, I don''t believe that either, but the perceived flavor of this posting seems to lump everyone into the same boat.

Look at the number of postings regarding Creationism & Evolution at LGF. What is the overall message?

The hell it does, we are being very specific and naming names, and the specific camp ideologies behind them - how does that lump everyone together? I would hope that most Christians would start looking closer at these influences.

710 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:22:04pm

re: #695 x-wing

2AD, nice icon. 3ID here (seven years)

711 njdhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:22:06pm
WASHINGTON: The US Senate on Friday passed a nearly 790-billion-dollar stimulus package that President Barack Obama called "only the beginning" of his efforts to rescue the crippled economy.

That scares me. How fast can the Democrats bankrupt the country?

712 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:22:32pm

re: #711 njdhockeyfan

That scares me. How fast can the Democrats bankrupt the country?

Don't look now, it already happened.

713 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:23:36pm

re: #687 Bobibutu

Gave me a big chill.

I didn't mean to scare you, but then, I guess it really wasn't me scaring you, was it?

714 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:23:50pm
do think I can get away in saying, I'm purchasing sharp pointy projectiles, that fit inside of something that their boots velocity.

Soon as I learn this here English thingy, I'm gonna' be so damn much gooder.

715 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:23:54pm

re: #711 njdhockeyfan

That scares me. How fast can the Democrats bankrupt the country?

Brewster's Millions Trillions played out on a national scale.

716 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:23:59pm

re: #711 njdhockeyfan

That scares me. How fast can the Democrats bankrupt the country?

NYT already started the campaign for "STIM II" I posted the editorial in spinoffs earlier.

717 oh_dude  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:24:29pm

re: #709 Thanos

Mike Huckabee is appearing on the Sean Hannity show on Fox News tonight, to throw some more red meat to fundamentalist zealots

Since you are naming names, who are these fundamentalist zealots? It's only a couple of people right?

718 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:24:29pm

re: #711 njdhockeyfan

That scares me. How fast can the Democrats bankrupt the country?

U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs

719 Throbert McGee  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:24:34pm

re: #583 oh_dude

My question is that now that the Republicans are hanging out the "Fundamentalist Christians Not Welcome" sign, who will these people vote for?

1. Republicans, despite the fact that they aren't really welcome?

Welcome to MY world!

semi-/

720 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:24:37pm

re: #689 Charles

If a Democratic politician came out and said he/she wanted to amend the Constitution to make it more in line with atheism, would that also be OK with you folks who don't see anything wrong with what Huckabee said?

No, it's all crazy talk.

/no way it will ever happen, from either end of the spectrum, amending the Constitution is really difficult

721 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:24:37pm
722 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:24:47pm

I don't agree. The EC favors less populous states and discourages voter turnout. It gives the GOP a slight advantage. Each time that the electoral vote winner and popular vote winner has been different, the Republican party won the election.

723 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:25:24pm

i think they should hand the money out at the voting booths, why the charade

724 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:25:30pm

re: #717 oh_dude

Since you are naming names, who are these fundamentalist zealots? It's only a couple of people right?

Read upthread, there are several mentioned. Follow the conversation, then chime in if you still feel umbrage.

725 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:25:50pm

Actually, I was going to say earlier that I think the constitution IS in line with God's laws. He wants us to have our agency, He wants us to have a government that gives us the right think what we wish and believe what we wish, (the truth is on His side,) and He wants us to have the rights He gave us.

Did Huckabee ever clarify what he meant by changes?

726 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:25:53pm

re: #684 oh_dude

As I have said before, I can't speak for Charles, but I have tried to summarize a pretty cogent point he has been trying to make that has gotten lost in all of the controversy.

The U.S. education system is slipping with regards to the quantity and quality of it's science and technical graduates.

This represents a grave risks to the continued prosperity and security of this country.

The promotion of ID as an equal substitution for scientifically derived evolutionary theory is a step in the wrong direction with regards to trying to regain our competitive edge in the field of science.

The whole point to me has been a repeated hammering of this fact over and over again.

727 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:25:56pm

re: #719 Throbert McGee

Welcome to MY world!

semi-/

I think you are misunderstanding: the Republican party needs to focus on the BASICS of good governance. Teaching religion in schools is NOT part of that agenda.

728 Scion9  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:26:23pm

re: #629 MandyManners

Are we not equal to each other, no matter the state, the city, the borough in which we live?

The fact that we are all of equal worth on a philosophical level is the reason that democracy is unfettered. A large mob selecting one of its own as a ruler for everyone else that isn't part of that urban proletariat is not a method of promoting a fair, free and equal society.

In fact I'm certain that it would produce quite the opposite result. Democracy does not preserve equality; constitutional restraints do. By design democracy serves the majority. The majority by definition is not equal with the minority.

729 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:26:24pm

re: #711 njdhockeyfan

That scares me. How fast can the Democrats bankrupt the country?

Meh... look on the bright side: If that Chinese mathematician found a way to predict prime numbers, the Chinese will be stealing all of America's financial funds anyway. We're just making it easier for them, you know, to better trade relations...

730 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:26:37pm
731 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:27:22pm

re: #698 Bobibutu

Yes - I also want to keep my account.

;)

732 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:27:36pm

re: #713 gmsc

I didn't mean to scare you, but then, I guess it really wasn't me scaring you, was it?

No, but it sure drove the point home big time - perfectly in sync with underlying feelings. My hair is still standing up.

733 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:27:39pm

re: #710 mrshankly01

2AD, nice icon. 3ID here (seven years)

Thanks and...Salute to you..

734 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:27:42pm

re: #717 oh_dude

Since you are naming names, who are these fundamentalist zealots? It's only a couple of people right?

Let me ask it this way, do you consider yourself a fundamentalist zealot? If not you shouldn't be upset, because their are some out there ya know, and they do seem to have some undue influence.

735 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:27:42pm

re: #727 Wishing

ding ding ding...the path back for the republican party. Leave Chiavo et al for late night discussions over drink, get back to good governance

736 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:28:04pm

"We're all gonna die"
-Billy (Predator)

737 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:28:15pm

re: #702 Basho

That's another good one. Good band.

This is a nice piece of music I was charmed to find earlier today- a song by Scottish band the Cocteau Twins, played live by Argentine band Pequeña Eloisa.

Youtube Video
738 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:28:22pm

re: #706 HoosierHoops

It really overall is a fair system..It beats the Hell out of one or two states having all the say...and the divisions the last 20 years were more idealist that popular sentiment..let me ask you one question.. If most of America lived in Florida..How would you feel about election day? :)


The same way I feel about Florida and election day NOW.

739 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:28:23pm

re: #722 Afrocity

I don't agree. The EC favors less populous states and discourages voter turnout. It gives the GOP a slight advantage. Each time that the electoral vote winner and popular vote winner has been different, the Republican party won the election.

where is any proof of that?...it could have bee just as easily the other way around no?

740 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:28:23pm

Bottom line for me -- what Mike Huckabee wants is profoundly un-American, and anti-democratic.

re: #583 oh_dude

My question is that now that the Republicans are hanging out the "Fundamentalist Christians Not Welcome" sign, who will these people vote for?

The problem as I see it is that fundamentalist Christians are largely IN CHARGE of the GOP, and it's had disastrous effects. In case you haven't noticed, Democrats now control both houses of Congress.

Sure, let's pander even more to them and nominate a theocrat who wants to overturn the Constitution. What could go wrong with that?

741 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:28:36pm

re: #733 x-wing

tanker?

742 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:29:23pm

re: #735 mrshankly01

Problem is many republican leaders got into politics just for such issues; they won't be reformed.

743 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:29:36pm

re: #689 Charles

I would be pleased to hear a liberal admit that an Amendment would be needed to legally change the Constitution, whatever the cause. We'll never see another Constitutional Amendment. The activist Courts have rendered the whole amendment process moot. Libs are well aware all they need is a test case and a majority of judges with the common desire to reshape the Constitution's words like they were Play-Doh.

Amendments? Pfft. What a waste of effort. You want to change the Constitution? Just make it say whatever you want it to say.

744 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:29:57pm

re: #710 mrshankly01

2AD, nice icon. 3ID here (seven years)

I see you didn't personalize your avatar. Are you just fond of the football?

745 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:30:19pm

I have to get away from this before I go in to the backyard and open a major artery or something. Later, Lizards!

746 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:30:52pm

re: #745 rawmuse

I have to get away from this before I go in to the backyard and open a major artery or something. Later, Lizards!

Your wife will be pleased that you chose not to stain the carpets.

747 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:30:57pm

re: #722 Afrocity

I don't agree. The EC favors less populous states and discourages voter turnout. It gives the GOP a slight advantage. Each time that the electoral vote winner and popular vote winner has been different, the Republican party won the election.


You realize that your assertion is false or over stated don't you?
In my whole life I've never met a friend or foe that said..We'll I ain't voting cause the EC is just going to fuck me anyways..We all believe our vote means something cause the system is setup pretty damn fair..Just this year since 1964 Indiana was in serious play in the election..Obama visited our local high school during the primaries...It's a fair and tried and true system..But it is fair to everybody...

748 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:30:57pm

re: #740 Charles

Bottom line for me -- what Mike Huckabee wants is profoundly un-American, and anti-democratic.


The problem as I see it is that fundamentalist Christians Elmer Gantry's are largely IN CHARGE of the GOP, and it's had disastrous effects. In case you haven't noticed, Democrats now control both houses of Congress.

Sure, let's pander even more to them and elect a theocrat who wants to overturn the Constitution. What could go wrong with that?

Better now.

749 slokat  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:31:03pm

re: #700 zombie

Well, I trust you on that, but at the moment I can't work up the motivation to research McClintock and his views/supporters. If he runs statewide, I will definitely assess him carefully.

McClintock is local solid... not sure if that translate to Statewide/Nationally solid. Would help you more, but so far there's not alot more to help you with.

750 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:31:04pm

Charles, I read the quote you started this thread with--again--and, I agree, it sounds ominous, and naturally, I wouldn't like for the President (or anyone else, for that matter) to have that kind of power--but since they don't.... and never will (or maybe I shouldn't say "never")...

The quote also sounds a lot like campaign rhetoric--and maybe, like some of his other spontaneous gaffe-like comments, it reflects some inner longing--but it won't fly. I understand your concern about creationists impacting science studies--I was, in my young life, a rocket scientist--and an atheist, too. However, since I'm now a professor, it is easy to see how little impact ANY theory has had on ANY student who has passed through our poor poor poor educational system. I think all of education should be reformed RADICALLY.

751 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:31:17pm

re: #627 Killian Bundy

/because New York, California, and the major urban areas would elect every President without the Electoral College, think about it

Don't they do that already?

752 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:31:45pm

re: #745 rawmuse

I have to get away from this before I go in to the backyard and open a major artery or something. Later, Lizards!

Been there rawmuse.

Been there man.

753 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:32:03pm

re: #745 rawmuse

I have to get away from this before I go in to the backyard and open a major artery or something. Later, Lizards!

be thankful you have a backyard amigo....rather than a balcony or ally that is

754 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:32:25pm

Gah. I'm too far behind to even consider trying to catch up.

755 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:32:42pm

re: #743 Mich-again

Ideas are behind all actions. Here is, I believe, the codification of the idea behind the circumnavigation of the amendment procedure.

756 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:33:14pm

re: #742 Dan G.

true, i agree, and that is their right, but repubs need to increase their recruitment of the strongest candidates and put leadership in that can keep the members eyes on the objective

757 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:33:42pm

Hey, that's "Christian fundamentalist zealots" to you buddy!

/

758 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:34:09pm
759 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:34:23pm

re: #740 Charles

Bottom line for me -- what Mike Huckabee wants is profoundly un-American, and anti-democratic.

The problem as I see it is that fundamentalist Christians are largely IN CHARGE of the GOP, and it's had disastrous effects. In case you haven't noticed, Democrats now control both houses of Congress.

Sure, let's pander even more to them and nominate a theocrat who wants to overturn the Constitution. What could go wrong with that?

I think Huckabee is unacceptable (and politically finished), and I was surprised to hear what you had to say about McClintock.

I have absolutely no dog in the California hunt, but what politicians do you recommend (or at least do not disavow)?

760 Peter Verkooijen  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:34:37pm

re: #173 zombie

... But at this point, there is no named ideology remaining with which I feel confortable. Complete psychopaths have already taken over and destroyed "liberalism," and now it looks like "conservativsm" is headed down an equivalent path.

I've never voluntarily identified myself as "conservative" or even "neoconservative". It's a negative label.

To me it's still liberalism, real liberalism, classic liberalism, the liberalism of the Founding Fathers.

The Dems are NOT real liberals, they're socialists posing as liberals:

Norman Thomas, 1940s: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."

In 2008 the choice was between a socialist and a clueless conservative. Nobody's standing up for real liberal principles.

I've registered the domain names reclaimliberalism.com/org, but don't have time to develop a serious site. Struggling to pay the rent.

761 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:34:54pm

re: #680 Bobibutu

OK. Here's the plan now. We convince Obama not to sign it.
/

Wait! Here's the plan; we get someone to talk to The One and remind him that tomorrow is Valentine's Day, and he has to get the charming Michelle a gift, and also take his daughters to pick out the puppies they were promised weeks and weeks ago, and then while he is out, get Congress back, and have them take a re-vote, and let it go down...

/Never mind, I was just dreaming.

762 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:34:56pm

re: #750 katemaclaren

The quote also sounds a lot like campaign rhetoric--and maybe, like some of his other spontaneous gaffe-like comments, it reflects some inner longing--but it won't fly.

Many, many people--some of them here--are saying the same thing about CBBHO.

When someone tells you who he is and what he wants to do, BELIEVE HIM.

763 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:35:02pm

re: #725 EmmmieG

Did Huckabee ever clarify what he meant by changes?

/not specifically, but it's nutty raw red meat thrown out there that tastes secularly rancid

764 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:35:06pm

re: #758 Iron Fist

I want my fucking bailout! Five million dollars in small, nonconsecutively numbered bills, no dye packs, no fucking around.

I'm not asking for much. We probably spend more money on research to see if 18 yr old males prefer a big ass or a stacked chest with all other things being equal.

Sheesh! Go and try make motherfucker's life slid smooth as cat shit, and I'm being ast whad'll I do wit me money. I'll circulate it. Is five million not a great price for wasting taxpayer's money out in the open so they can see what it is being wasted on. The five mill would be money well spent and would stimulate all parts of the economy.

what's in it for me?....do you have pie?

765 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:35:24pm

re: #744 x-wing

haha, well i actually do like the football, but I was in Iraq for the past 15 months and Charles added the icon function while i was gone, this is my first night commenting since i got back.

766 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:35:59pm

re: #730 taxfreekiller

All money spending bills have to start in the House, Democrats spend tax money , with out the House to prime their pump, they are done for.

Strategically we need to block/shut them down. We have the greatest equalizer since Mr. Colt's revolver in our hands. We are using it right now. Will we use it tactically or just herd along?

767 sleepyone  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:36:00pm

re: #520 MandyManners

I was digging through a box of old stuff this afternoon when I ran across a button in support of Lt. Col. Oliver North. Under the photograph of him taken before Congress are the words: I was Contra when Contra wasn't Cool.

I could be wrong but, I believe that that was the beginning of the GOP's courting of conservative Christians. Surely this was not the end that the GOP had in sight way back then.

It may have been before that. I was at the Rock Against Reagan concert in Dallas at the 1984 Republican convention (I think I've mentioned this before on LGF). And the concert was being held in a parking lot down the slope from the convention. For the record, I wasn't politically active then even though I was old enough to vote. I was only there to see the Dead Kennedys and Bad Brains. Anyway, at a certain point during the festivities the street next to the parking lot was crowded with a very slow moving "parade" of RVs and cars containing members of the Christian Coalition (or some such group) moving up towards the convention. Some were out walking alongside the cars carrying candles and singing hymns. I must say that the concert-goers were extremely rude to the Coalition group. The punks, rockers, and skaters were lined up along the street shouting obscenities and spitting at the members of the Christian Coalition. One guy even had a cross constructed out of paper mache missles that he was shaking at the members of the parade (or whatever you want to call it). Needless to say I was disgusted by the behavior of the crowd. Incidentally this was also the first time I was exposed to crazy hippies and genuine communists with their booths set up at the show. It looked like some of the Zombie photos but 24 years ago.

I went there to see the Dead Kennedys but in the end I left thinking Jello Biafra was the biggest asshole in the world after he enticed the crowd to start chanting "fuck off and die" to the people peacefully trying to attend the convention.

Anyway, my point is that perhaps the RNC had latched onto these people as potential voters before Ollie made news.

768 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:36:02pm

re: #722 Afrocity

I don't agree. The EC favors less populous states and discourages voter turnout. It gives the GOP a slight advantage. Each time that the electoral vote winner and popular vote winner has been different, the Republican party won the election.

Well then the candidates would only have to spend time and money in 5 or 6 big states to win the election. Is that fair? Anyway I would rather keep my states right to vote how we want to be governed. We get enough bulling from the Feds. everytime California does something stupid. If I wanted to live like them,I'd move there.

769 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:36:08pm

re: #750 katemaclaren

Charles, I read the quote you started this thread with--again--and, I agree, it sounds ominous, and naturally, I wouldn't like for the President (or anyone else, for that matter) to have that kind of power--but since they don't.... and never will (or maybe I shouldn't say "never")...

The quote also sounds a lot like campaign rhetoric--and maybe, like some of his other spontaneous gaffe-like comments, it reflects some inner longing--but it won't fly. I understand your concern about creationists impacting science studies--I was, in my young life, a rocket scientist--and an atheist, too. However, since I'm now a professor, it is easy to see how little impact ANY theory has had on ANY student who has passed through our poor poor poor educational system. I think all of education should be reformed RADICALLY.

So your point is that it's only meaningless campaign rhetoric, and we should just roll over, go back to sleep, and give Huckabee our blessings?

That wacky Mike Huckabee, just talking crazy again. Hey, let's make him President!

770 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:36:10pm

Even New Dealers Opposed the New Deal

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work ... After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... And an enormous debt to boot!"

-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, commenting on the failures of the New Deal after two terms of FDR

771 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:36:10pm

re: #758 Iron Fist

Already submitted my request, based on me not winning the fucking lotto.

772 little boomer  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:36:26pm

No, I don't want to amend the constitution to make it a theological document, but the hucksters navel gazings are chump change compared to Nancy Obama's Trillion dollar hopey change.

773 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:36:43pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

haha, well i actually do like the football, but I was in Iraq for the past 15 months and Charles added the icon function while i was gone, this is my first night commenting since i got back.

Welcome back friend, and thanks kindly for your service to our nation, we all appreciate that.

774 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:37:00pm

re: #727 Wishing

I think you are misunderstanding: the Republican party needs to focus on the BASICS of good governance. Teaching religion in schools is NOT part of that agenda.

Amen to that.
Conservative principles such as: Fiscal responsibility; individual liberty (which includes acceptance of individual choices including abortion and sex orientation), constitutionally limited government, reliance on the institutions of civil society and the free market for social order and economic prosperity, emphasis on national defense, but generally smaller government.

775 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:37:13pm

re: #760 Peter Verkooijen

Well said, my friend. I sure hope you will fall on financial good times so you can develop the site.

776 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:37:20pm

re: #756 mrshankly01

True. But said recruitment is becoming harder and harder since the vast majority of individuals in this country are not being well educated (don't confuse that with "going to school", see Mr. Samual Clemens on that one ;) ) so the leadership pool is suffering from the intellectual drought.

777 little boomer  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:38:06pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

Welcome home!

778 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:38:29pm

re: #741 mrshankly01

tanker?

Yep, last of the M60A1s in Germany. Then got ship off to 1AD after a year and into M60A3s. Missed the whole M1 transition :(

779 Throbert McGee  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:38:43pm

re: #727 Wishing

I think you are misunderstanding: the Republican party needs to focus on the BASICS of good governance. Teaching religion in schools is NOT part of that agenda.

Чего? *

* Russian for "¿Qué?"

780 sadhu  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:39:12pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

welcome home and thank you

781 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:39:31pm

Good night Lizards.

782 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:39:31pm

re: #773 Thanos

thank you, i appreciate that. not necessary though, this country is worth it (even minus 1 trillion dollars).

783 albusteve  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:39:38pm

re: #778 x-wing

Yep, last of the M60A1s in Germany. Then got ship off to 1AD after a year and into M60A3s. Missed the whole M1 transition :(

whatever...I was at McDonalds...thanks you guys

784 Dahveed  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:39:43pm

How long has this presidency been so far? One month? Is it me or does it feel like this has been the longest first month of a new administration ever?

785 jorline  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:39:46pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

haha, well i actually do like the football, but I was in Iraq for the past 15 months and Charles added the icon function while i was gone, this is my first night commenting since i got back.

Thank you for your service and welcome home.

786 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:40:05pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

haha, well i actually do like the football, but I was in Iraq for the past 15 months and Charles added the icon function while i was gone, this is my first night commenting since i got back.


Hey welcome back all safe and sound. Where were you located over in the big sand box?

787 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:40:10pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

haha, well i actually do like the football, but I was in Iraq for the past 15 months and Charles added the icon function while i was gone, this is my first night commenting since i got back.

Welcome back, and thank you for serving our country.

788 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:40:15pm

re: #747 HoosierHoops

You realize that your assertion is false or over stated don't you?
In my whole life I've never met a friend or foe that said..We'll I ain't voting cause the EC is just going to fuck me anyways..We all believe our vote means something cause the system is setup pretty damn fair..Just this year since 1964 Indiana was in serious play in the election..Obama visited our local high school during the primaries...It's a fair and tried and true system..But it is fair to everybody...

No, it is not false. When voters realize what the outcome of a states electoral votes will be, they don't vote. It also encourages voter fraud. I know of at least 10 people from Chicago who voted in Florida, 4 that voted in Ohio, 37 i counted them) who voted in Indiana. In one case this person got a PO box in Florida and voted absentee. Why? Illinois does not need their Obama vote so give it to him somplace where he does need it. My ex roommate who lived in New York voted in North Carolina- a battle ground state, she used her friends address.

789 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:40:17pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

haha, well i actually do like the football, but I was in Iraq for the past 15 months and Charles added the icon function while i was gone, this is my first night commenting since i got back.

Welcome back and thank you.

790 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:40:44pm

re: #768 x-wing

Well then the candidates would only have to spend time and money in 5 or 6 big states to win the election. Is that fair? Anyway I would rather keep my states right to vote how we want to be governed. We get enough bulling from the Feds. everytime California does something stupid. If I wanted to live like them,I'd move there.

I think you are right, x-wing: I seem to remember it was the Reagan presidency that caused the Christian world to realize that they had some REAL voting power.

791 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:41:14pm

re: #785 jorline

Thank you for your service and welcome home.

Seconded

792 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:41:35pm

re: #784 Dahveed

How long has this presidency been so far? One month? Is it me or does it feel like this has been the longest first month of a new administration ever?

Eternity.

793 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:41:47pm

Victor David Hanson is one of the greatest intellectuals who identifies with US conservatism, yet he seems to have been fooled by the ID movement. It's like they're purposely painting bulleyes on their chests. Sad...

794 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:41:50pm

re: #784 Dahveed

How long has this presidency been so far? One month? Is it me or does it feel like this has been the longest first month of a new administration ever?

Not even a month, but it already feels like years.

795 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:42:04pm

re: #769 Charles

"Well, He's Not Obama"© Dan G.

(maybe I can sell this to the Hucabee/Palin 2012 campaign?)

/

Seriously though, I'm sure that will be about the depth of the rhetoric when that time rolls around.

796 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:42:18pm

re: #776 Dan G.

true, ignorance is the opiate (to paraphrase), but heck, even the British found a thatcher, there has to be someone out there. i have a feeling it will get bad so quick (unlike the plan to make it get bad slowly like a frog in boiling water) that people will respond to good governance and sound policy

797 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:42:37pm
798 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:42:52pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

haha, well i actually do like the football, but I was in Iraq for the past 15 months and Charles added the icon function while i was gone, this is my first night commenting since i got back.

Sir: Welcome back! Thank you for service to our great country...
So 15 months? you are in the Army! Bless you Soldier..

799 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:42:55pm

re: #779 Throbert McGee

Чего? *

* Russian for "¿Qué?"

Conservative valuse of governance:
1. small government
2. low taxes
3. minimal interference by govt in peoples' lives
4. fiscal conservatism (balanced budget, etc)

800 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:43:11pm

re: #762 MandyManners

Many, many people--some of them here--are saying the same thing about CBBHO.

When someone tells you who he is and what he wants to do, BELIEVE HIM.

Oh, my stars. My first + from Charles.

801 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:43:26pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

haha, well i actually do like the football, but I was in Iraq for the past 15 months and Charles added the icon function while i was gone, this is my first night commenting since i got back.

Welcome back! Thanks for serving for us. Are you staying in the military?

802 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:43:32pm

re: #793 Basho

Victor David Hanson is one of the greatest intellectuals who identifies with US conservatism, yet he seems to have been fooled by the ID movement. It's like they're purposely painting bulleyes on their chests. Sad...

Woah - ya got some links for that?

803 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:43:43pm

re: #777 little boomer

thanks...keep those still over there in your thoughts, they are doing a kick butt job

804 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:43:55pm

re: #768 x-wing

Well then the candidates would only have to spend time and money in 5 or 6 big states to win the election. Is that fair? Anyway I would rather keep my states right to vote how we want to be governed. We get enough bulling from the Feds. everytime California does something stupid. If I wanted to live like them,I'd move there.

The candidates already do that. Did you see Obama in Alaska, or Texas. Or Illinois? It was all about Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Colorado.

805 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:44:09pm
806 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:44:12pm

re: #769 Charles

So your point is that it's only meaningless campaign rhetoric, and we should just roll over, go back to sleep, and give Huckabee our blessings?

That wacky Mike Huckabee, just talking crazy again. Hey, let's make him President!

/just like 2008, he'll always be a bridesmaid, never the bride, joining a long list of perennial GOP presidential bridesmaids, IMO he'll never be a VP candidate either

807 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:44:20pm

re: #788 Afrocity

No, it is not false. When voters realize what the outcome of a states electoral votes will be, they don't vote. It also encourages voter fraud. I know of at least 10 people from Chicago who voted in Florida, 4 that voted in Ohio, 37 i counted them) who voted in Indiana. In one case this person got a PO box in Florida and voted absentee. Why? Illinois does not need their Obama vote so give it to him somplace where he does need it. My ex roommate who lived in New York voted in North Carolina- a battle ground state, she used her friends address.

Well you cannot sit on that kind of information. These are CRIMES. Do something about it, go personally to speak to your LOCAL Rep Party..DO SOMETHING!

808 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:44:46pm

re: #796 mrshankly01

i have a feeling it will get bad so quick (unlike the plan to make it get bad slowly like a frog in boiling water) that people will respond to good governance and sound policy

I hope you are right but unfortunately when a liberal policy fails, the reason given 100% of the time is that the policy did not go far enough and needs to be expanded to actually work as intended.

When the medicine makes you sicker, up the dosage!

809 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:45:13pm

re: #778 x-wing

it is a beautiful tank. it, the bradley and a squad of infantry are all you need.

m60 had nice thermals i heard

810 sleepyone  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:45:20pm

re: #784 Dahveed

How long has this presidency been so far? One month? Is it me or does it feel like this has been the longest first month of a new administration ever?

You are right. So much shit has gone down in the past few weeks that the country is becoming unrecognizable nearly overnight. Saul Alinsky must be smiling in hell right now.

811 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:45:35pm

re: #806 Killian Bundy

/just like 2008, he'll always be a bridesmaid, never the bride, joining a long list of perennial GOP presidential bridesmaids, IMO he'll never be a VP candidate either


More like the little whore from next door.

812 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:45:52pm

re: #796 mrshankly01

One can hope. Better than that one should act! Perhaps concerned individuals should start searching for someone how would fit the bill? And at the same time, read up; that way your bullshit filter will be in good-shape.

Congrats on making it back, and thanks.

813 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:45:52pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

haha, well i actually do like the football, but I was in Iraq for the past 15 months and Charles added the icon function while i was gone, this is my first night commenting since i got back.

Welcome Home!

814 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:46:08pm

Good evening y'all - hope everyone is doing well tonight!

815 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:46:13pm

re: #796 mrshankly01

From your lips to G-d's ears!

Welcome home and Thank You for your service!

816 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:46:23pm

re: #780 sadhu

thanks, pretty icon.

817 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:46:43pm

re: #807 Wishing

Well you cannot sit on that kind of information. These are CRIMES. Do something about it, go personally to speak to your LOCAL Rep Party..DO SOMETHING!

Uhhh, been there done that.

818 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:46:44pm

The year 2008 in photographs

Some amazing pics.

819 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:47:14pm

re: #814 realwest

Good evening y'all - hope everyone is doing well tonight!

Heyas RealWest...good to see you.
Love to Mom!

820 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:47:21pm

re: #814 realwest

Good evening y'all - hope everyone is doing well tonight!

Evening RW - some of us are in the pits - and trying to make light of it.

821 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:47:30pm

re: #814 realwest

Good evening y'all - hope everyone is doing well tonight!

Sure are realwest...we're all being "stimulated"

822 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:47:33pm

re: #804 Afrocity

The candidates already do that. Did you see Obama in Alaska, or Texas. Or Illinois? It was all about Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Colorado.

That is more about the polling data telling the candidates in which States the margins are close and thus where they need to direct their campaign efforts. If a State is already in the bag or if it is hopelessly lost there is not much point in spending time or money there.

823 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:47:33pm

re: #814 realwest

Good evening y'all - hope everyone is doing well tonight!

Good evening RW..How ya feeling tonight buddy?

824 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:47:34pm

re: #785 jorline

thanks

825 BakaRanger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:48:00pm

Feb. 13 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Congress gave final approval to President Barack Obama’s $787 billion economic stimulus package in hopes of wresting the economy out of recession through a mix of tax cuts and federal spending.

The Senate approved the package 60 to 38 with three Republicans joining Democrats in voting “yes.” Earlier today, the House passed the measure 246 to 183 with no Republicans in favor and seven Democrats opposed. The bill, Obama’s first major victory on Capitol Hill, now heads to his desk to be signed into law.

......................................and now the screaming starts.

826 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:48:32pm

re: #786 x-wing

i was in SW Baghdad for most of it, Sadr City building a wall for about a month in May

827 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:49:01pm

re: #802 Bobibutu

[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

828 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:49:12pm

re: #822 Mich-again

That is more about the polling data telling the candidates in which States the margins are close and thus where they need to direct their campaign efforts. If a State is already in the bag or if it is hopelessly lost there is not much point in spending time or money there.

I knew you could explain it better than me..Upding!

829 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:49:12pm

re: #793 Basho

Victor David Hanson is one of the greatest intellectuals who identifies with US conservatism, yet he seems to have been fooled by the ID movement. It's like they're purposely painting bulleyes on their chests. Sad...

I've read a lot of VDH's stuff, and never seen him even mention creationism or intelligent design. Link?

830 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:49:36pm

re: #767 sleepyone

It may have been before that. I was at the Rock Against Reagan concert in Dallas at the 1984 Republican convention (I think I've mentioned this before on LGF). And the concert was being held in a parking lot down the slope from the convention. For the record, I wasn't politically active then even though I was old enough to vote. I was only there to see the Dead Kennedys and Bad Brains. Anyway, at a certain point during the festivities the street next to the parking lot was crowded with a very slow moving "parade" of RVs and cars containing members of the Christian Coalition (or some such group) moving up towards the convention. Some were out walking alongside the cars carrying candles and singing hymns. I must say that the concert-goers were extremely rude to the Coalition group. The punks, rockers, and skaters were lined up along the street shouting obscenities and spitting at the members of the Christian Coalition. One guy even had a cross constructed out of paper mache missles that he was shaking at the members of the parade (or whatever you want to call it). Needless to say I was disgusted by the behavior of the crowd. Incidentally this was also the first time I was exposed to crazy hippies and genuine communists with their booths set up at the show. It looked like some of the Zombie photos but 24 years ago.

I went there to see the Dead Kennedys but in the end I left thinking Jello Biafra was the biggest asshole in the world after he enticed the crowd to start chanting "fuck off and die" to the people peacefully trying to attend the convention.

Anyway, my point is that perhaps the RNC had latched onto these people as potential voters before Ollie made news.

There is a long line of descent from then until now.

For the life of me, I cannot find a Republican "Soros".

831 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:49:38pm

re: #808 Mich-again

I hope you are right but unfortunately when a liberal policy fails, the reason given 100% of the time is that the policy did not go far enough and needs to be expanded to actually work as intended.

When the medicine makes you sicker, up the dosage!

Damn! That sounds alot like Jennifer's "Wait until you see the next 5 years!"

I see it and it sucks.

832 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:49:51pm
833 Scion9  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:50:02pm

re: #722 Afrocity

I don't agree. The EC favors less populous states and discourages voter turnout. It gives the GOP a slight advantage. Each time that the electoral vote winner and popular vote winner has been different, the Republican party won the election.

Party labeling is irrelevant. Electorates swap and ideologies shift. The popular vote and EC vote discrepancy has happened four times I believe, in more than two centuries. Thomas Jefferson won in a tie more or less (and also was obviously not a Republican). Look at the electoral maps from past elections. You have had urban Republicans and rural Republicans, and likewise with Democrats. You have even had wildly and radically different political ideologies within party, within a single lifetime (T. Roosevelt and Coolidge).

Relegating a massive portion of the country to a perpetual minority of agrarian serfs that serve the City-States isn't some kind of ideal that I wish to reach for.

834 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:50:04pm

re: #787 Charles

i am honored, sir, and thanks. also, thank you for not deleting my account. sorry for the email, i just waiting a long time to become a hatchling.

835 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:50:09pm

re: #829 Charles

He didn't write it, but it's there on his site for all to see.

836 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:50:26pm

re: #814 realwest

Most folks have behaved themselves and kept Stinky from opening the abattoir again. I guess that is a good night so far.

837 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:50:38pm

re: #827 Basho

[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

That's at VDH's site, but he didn't write it.

838 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:50:38pm

re: #803 mrshankly01
Hey, mrshanky01 - welcome home and thanks for your service! Are y'all still on Active Duty or Reserves (the military has changed SO much since I served in Vietnam that not only did I go off active duty after my enlistment, but they even stuck me in the inactive reserve since so many draft dodgers patriots wanted to get into the ready reserve which was never sent to Vietnam and I'm not sure if there is any reserve requirement for troops who serve out their enlistment and then say that's it for me).

839 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:50:38pm

re: #825 BakaRanger

This is one reason I always leave my weapons at home when attending movie theaters or being in close proximity to state or federal government areas.
/

840 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:50:45pm

re: #825 BakaRanger

Feb. 13 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Congress gave final approval to President Barack Obama’s $787 billion economic stimulus package in hopes of wresting the economy out of recession through a mix of tax cuts and federal spending.

The Senate approved the package 60 to 38 with three Republicans joining Democrats in voting “yes.” Earlier today, the House passed the measure 246 to 183 with no Republicans in favor and seven Democrats opposed. The bill, Obama’s first major victory on Capitol Hill, now heads to his desk to be signed into law.

......................................and now the screaming starts.

It's good to see the R's hanging tough on this one. Even if it is only symbolic at this point.

841 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:51:11pm

Huckabee is a petty political spoiler.

/had no chance of winning the nomination but took Romney down with him last year

842 sleepyone  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:51:26pm

re: #825 BakaRanger

Feb. 13 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Congress gave final approval to President Barack Obama’s $787 billion economic stimulus package in hopes of wresting the economy out of recession through a mix of tax cuts and federal spending.

The Senate approved the package 60 to 38 with three Republicans joining Democrats in voting “yes.” Earlier today, the House passed the measure 246 to 183 with no Republicans in favor and seven Democrats opposed. The bill, Obama’s first major victory on Capitol Hill, now heads to his desk to be signed into law.

......................................and now the screaming starts.

Remember when Bush won the last election and some crazy leftist started that website "I'm sorry" where people could post images of themselves holding up signs saying "I'm sorry" basically telling the rest of the wold, "don't blame me, I voted for Kerry"? Well, as a resident of the state of Maine knowing how Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe voted in this I wish I could hold up a sign to America saying "I'm sorry". So on behalf of any common sense left here in Maine I say "I'm sorry" for these two.

843 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:51:42pm

re: #819 Wishing
Hey Wishing - thankew very much; it's good to see you, too!

844 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:51:56pm

re: #835 Basho

He didn't write it, but it's there on his site for all to see.

Dude, where? I'm not coming after ya. I just can't see a classical military and agrarian historian delving into intelligent design.

Particularly Hanson.

845 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:52:02pm

re: #798 HoosierHoops

thanks, yep, i am an armor officer

846 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:52:22pm

re: #818 Racer X

The year 2008 in photographs

Some amazing pics.

The year 2008 according to JibJab:

Youtube Video
847 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:52:25pm

Friday the 13th lived up to its reputation today. What a dismal beginning to an ineffectively stimulated 2009.

Good night all, my bed and my bottle await me.

/just kidding about the bottle, but I must admit I'm tempted.

848 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:52:36pm

re: #828 HoosierHoops

I knew you could explain it better than me..Upding!

Well Hoosier expect your state to be blue from now on. My uncle who works at the post office says Tens of THOUSANDS of Chicago residents are registering in Indiana and he has seen the change of address cards to prove it.

849 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:52:48pm

re: #844 Noam Sayin'

Never mind. Got it at your #827.

850 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:52:54pm

re: #801 NJDhockeyfan

yes, a career and i am a die hard devils fan, mom is from 'boken

851 little boomer  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:53:18pm

re: #818 Racer X

Really enjoyed the pics, thanks.

852 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:53:24pm

re: #793 Basho

Victor David Hanson is one of the greatest intellectuals who identifies with US conservatism, yet he seems to have been fooled by the ID movement. It's like they're purposely painting bulleyes on their chests. Sad...

That article doesn't seem to have been written by Victor Davis Hanson. It was written by:

May 3, 2008
Darwin & Co., Ltd.
Just how limited?
by Terry Scambray
Private Papers

853 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:53:41pm

re: #807 Wishing

Well you cannot sit on that kind of information. These are CRIMES. Do something about it, go personally to speak to your LOCAL Rep Party..DO SOMETHING!

U.S. Attorneys and local Prosecutors are political animals, they will not pursue those types of cases. Usually it is brushed off as "being too few to matter".
This is why the Dems are frantic about voter ID laws. If they are law then statistics will also be accumulated as to the number of fraudulent voters and attempted fraudulent voting. Right now they make the claim that "there's no proof of fraudulent voting". Of course not because NOBODY IS IN CHARGE OF FINDING IT!

Notice how the Dems complain that the Reps "steal elections" but they never sue them in court over it. Reason is of course that THEY are the vote stealers. Always have been. I lived in rural northern Indiana and even WE knew Chicago politics stole votes.

854 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:54:00pm

re: #835 Basho

He didn't write it, but it's there on his site for all to see.

True. But then, we have 'Spar Kling' posting at LGF.

855 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:54:49pm

re: #842 sleepyone

Remember when Bush won the last election and some crazy leftist started that website "I'm sorry" where people could post images of themselves holding up signs saying "I'm sorry" basically telling the rest of the wold, "don't blame me, I voted for Kerry"? Well, as a resident of the state of Maine knowing how Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe voted in this I wish I could hold up a sign to America saying "I'm sorry". So on behalf of any common sense left here in Maine I say "I'm sorry" for these two.

But what was the alternative to those RINO's? Voting for 2 'Rats? That sounds like a no-win state there.

856 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:54:50pm

re: #845 mrshankly01

thanks, yep, i am an armor officer

So glad you are home..My son is 3/5th Marines..They got home from Iraq in April..You ever visit Fallujah?

857 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:55:03pm

re: #800 MandyManners

Oh, my stars. My first + from Charles.

Penn Agrees

Youtube Video
858 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:55:04pm

re: #820 Bobibutu
Hello Bobibutu - why are some of us in the pits? Surely not because the Stimulus Bill passed?! There was never any doubt that SOME *cough* stimulus bill was going to pass once Specter, Collins and Snowe made their votes known the first time around. Look at it this way, we've only burdened our great grandkids (hopefully) with paying this bill off - which was estimated by Al-Reuters as 38% stimulus, only 42% pork non-stimulus!

859 drbob1988  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:55:31pm

re: #81 DistantThunder

Well said, Huck's religious prejudice cost us an election. He'll play hell getting the support he needs to move on in the primaries. Please tell me that there aren't that many stupid people......but then BHO got elected, I guess there are.

860 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:55:54pm
861 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:56:34pm

Meh... He's lending his name to promote that article. I might be oversensitive, but it still disappoints me.

862 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:56:38pm

re: #808 Mich-again

true, workfare is a good example of that, but they count on people forgetting, hopefully people wont forget because it gets bad so fast (hopefully it doesn't get bad)

863 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:56:40pm

re: #821 Elcid
Hello Elcid! Uh, all y'all are being stimulated? Hmm, maybe I should just, ya know, step out for a while; groups have never really been my thing when it comes to being stimulated! LOL!

864 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:56:51pm

re: #854 Charles

Good point.

865 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:57:06pm

re: #834 mrshankly01

waiting = waited

866 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:57:10pm

re: #841 Killian Bundy

Huckabee is a petty political spoiler.

/had no chance of winning the nomination but took Romney down with him last year

Yep.

867 Throbert McGee  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:57:29pm

re: #173 zombie

Complete psychopaths have already taken over and destroyed "liberalism," and now it looks like "conservativism" is headed down an equivalent path.

What is left for poor zombie?

Maybe you could start a Braaaaiiiins Party?

But seriously, I think there's an opportunity to take back the word "liberalism" now that many on the left choose to label as "progressive."

868 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:57:41pm

Bipartisan

One entry found.

Main Entry:
bi·par·ti·san
Pronunciation:
(ˌ)bī-ˈpär-tə-zən, -sən, -ˌzan, chiefly British ˌbī-ˌpär-tə-ˈzan
Function:
adjective
Date:
1895
: of, relating to, or involving members of two parties ; specifically : marked by members of the Republican Party caving in to the demands of the Democrat Party.

Typical usage:
One, two, or even three Republicans joining with Democrats to spend an un-Godly amount of cash.

869 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:57:51pm

re: #860 Iron Fist

Guys and Dolls, I'm going to call it an evening. Keep your blades sharp, your wits sharper, and show the enemy only the mercy of death.

Take care, Iron Fist.

870 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:58:08pm

re: #823 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! I'm doing ok, 'cept my "good eye" (the one I can see out of to read) is kinda irritated by something - scratch maybe, I dunno. Othewise I'm doing fine and hope you are too!

871 ladycatnip  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:58:38pm

#788 Afrocity

No, it is not false. When voters realize what the outcome of a states electoral votes will be, they don't vote. It also encourages voter fraud. I know of at least 10 people from Chicago who voted in Florida, 4 that voted in Ohio, 37 i counted them) who voted in Indiana. In one case this person got a PO box in Florida and voted absentee. Why? Illinois does not need their Obama vote so give it to him somplace where he does need it. My ex roommate who lived in New York voted in North Carolina- a battle ground state, she used her friends address.

The left is delirious over winning at any cost, including voter fraud - after all, they claim Bush stole the election twice, so payback is fair play. As far as Minnesota goes, our little dead friend, Joseph Stalin, said it best:

"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

872 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:59:02pm

re: #827 Basho

[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

Thank you. That review was written by Terry Scambray. Not VDH - and OK it's on his site.

And when brilliant people stray off their area of expertise - things get muddled. But I don't see that here for VDH.

Will re-read in the am and anything else would be appreciated.

873 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:59:06pm

re: #858 realwest

Hello Bobibutu - why are some of us in the pits? Surely not because the Stimulus Bill passed?! There was never any doubt that SOME *cough* stimulus bill was going to pass once Specter, Collins and Snowe made their votes known the first time around. Look at it this way, we've only burdened our great grandkids (hopefully) with paying this bill off - which was estimated by Al-Reuters as 38% stimulus, only 42% pork non-stimulus!

I honestly think it was going to pass regardless of them. They got shoved forward to negotiate and take the blows simply because they could take the heat with their constituent base. The other Republicans couldn't. Call me a cynic, but I think of it as skeptic. There's too much pork without the individual spotlight and heat for most pols to pass up.

874 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:59:10pm

oooh!

Hubble Space Telescope Advent Calendar 2008

Way cool!

875 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:59:27pm

re: #804 Afrocity

The candidates already do that. Did you see Obama in Alaska, or Texas. Or Illinois? It was all about Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Colorado.

Yes that's true. But we are still 50 separate states. The Federal Gov. has too much say in what we do now. I'd like to keep as much Federalism as I can.

876 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 8:59:56pm

re: #765 mrshankly01

haha, well i actually do like the football, but I was in Iraq for the past 15 months and Charles added the icon function while i was gone, this is my first night commenting since i got back.

1st - Thank you, not so much for me but for my kids and grandchild.

2nd - Is it Mr. Shankly, or is it Mrs. Hankly? Inquiring minds and such..

877 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:00:03pm

re: #812 Dan G.

yea, maybe when the boomers move on, not to disparage all boomers though

878 lifeofthemind  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:00:19pm

Evening.
Trust everyone has read about/seen Pelosi blowing the Pakistani involvement in our Predator Ops. My passing daydream was some Flag Officer taking the occasion to throw his stars at her and curse her out but good on National Television. She really does deserve to be bitch-slapped publicly. Funny, I spend my time on other blogs urging people to be less inflammatory and here I affirmatively avoid hot button threads on topics like ID or Spencer et al but these Democrats are making hard for those of us who want a civil constitutional debate. People are getting killed because of this idiot.

Remember she isn't even the real stupid Senator from California.

879 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:00:36pm

re: #875 x-wing

Yes that's true. But we are still 50 57 separate states. The Federal Gov. has too much say in what we do now. I'd like to keep as much Federalism as I can.

FTFY

880 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:00:38pm

re: #784 Dahveed

About 3 1/2 loooooooooooooooooooong weeks, but the only good part, albeit too late, is the way The One's popularity numbers are tanking.

Buyers' remorse is a joy to see, but damn it, why didn't they come out of there hypnotized state in time? WTF was being put in the water?!?!?!

I have never seen anything even remotely like this election in my entire life, and pray that we can right all these wrongs in the next Senatorial election...At least it could be a start on the way back from our loooooong national nightmare that started on Jan. 20, 2009, but really began on Election Day.

Anyone who threw a tantrum and stayed home because McCain was not their perfect candidate owe the rest of us a big apology for what their holding their breathe until they turned blue has caused.

And while they are at it? They can explain it to their kids who will not be able to afford a university education, to senior citizens, as our medical care in going to tank..selective care, socialist-style, but it turns out that this massacre by Congress will affect all re their alleged medical care.

/There are so many delicious little secrets buried in that bill that I will bet all of them will not even be uncovered in the next 10 years.

881 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:01:01pm

re: #850 mrshankly01

yes, a career and i am a die hard devils fan, mom is from 'boken

Outstanding! I haven't been able to see them much since ESPN dropped the NHL. I see a game now & then but they always make the playoffs and I get to see them then. I am in Virginia now.

882 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:01:08pm

re: #876 The Shadow Do

1st - Thank you, not so much for me but for my kids and grandchild.

2nd - Is it Mr. Shankly, or is it Mrs. Hankly? Inquiring minds and such..

Click his football - all is made clear.

883 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:01:20pm

re: #871 ladycatnip

Good quote and so true ladycatnip

884 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:01:48pm

re: #813 CommonCents

thanks

885 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:02:00pm

re: #872 Bobibutu

Yeah... I'm not saying he's a creationist, but I think placing that article on his site with no counterarguments shows to me he may see some merit. I'm an VDH fan, so this little thing saddens me. I've already read several articles from people putting down VDH because of this.

886 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:02:09pm

My ancestors came to America for the freedom. They went trout fishing on sunday if they felt like it. Huckabee wants to change all that. He's a dangerous man.

887 Elcid  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:02:21pm

re: #863 realwest

Hello Elcid! Uh, all y'all are being stimulated? Hmm, maybe I should just, ya know, step out for a while; groups have never really been my thing when it comes to being stimulated! LOL!

LMAO...real. Have a great night.

Officer mrshankly01, thanks for protecting my right to comment, any damn where I chose.

888 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:02:26pm

re: #815 Floral Giraffe

thanks

889 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:02:50pm

re: #831 CommonCents

Damn! That sounds alot like Jennifer's "Wait until you see the next 5 years!"

"... You're going to be blown away!"

890 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:03:03pm

re: #877 mrshankly01

True about the boomers. Take care of your mind, and any that you are responsible for (if you have children); that's the best start IMHO.

891 Crux Australis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:03:20pm

I'm glad I live in Australia.

There is no "Religious Right" in Australia. Very few "fundamentalists" by the US standard.
No Major political party is pushing an overtly social conservative agenda.
Creationism is not being pushed to be taught in PUBLIC schools.
More progressive than the US as far as women in political office is concerned.
More progressive than the US as far as Gay and Lesbian rights.

I could continue.

892 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:03:35pm

re: #809 mrshankly01

m60 had nice thermals i heard

LOL, that big ol' spotlight of the gun tube of the A1 drew alot of heat and enemy rounds;>}
The A3 was a little better.

893 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:03:41pm

re: #853 jcw46 "Notice how the Dems complain that the Reps "steal elections" but they never sue them in court over it."
Two words: Al Gore.

894 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:03:46pm

*Slides Mr. Shankly a cold beer*

Thank you for your service.

895 sleepyone  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:03:56pm

re: #855 CommonCents

But what was the alternative to those RINO's? Voting for 2 'Rats? That sounds like a no-win state there.

You are right that there was no alternative. These two can not be beat in the Republican primaries and the Democrat opponent in the last election was a crazy leftist, U.S. Congressman Tom Allen from my district in Portland.

This state is a no-win state for sure. I am not a native Mainer so I can't explain the political climate here. But it seems that everyone I know or meet here on a professional level came from Boston or NYC. Maybe that has something to do with the political climate here.

896 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:03:56pm

re: #832 ploome hineni

thanks, i like the RPG pen

897 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:04:29pm

Good night lizards.

My eyelids are getting too heavy.

898 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:04:37pm

re: #857 Thanos

Penn Agrees

Youtube Video

Mis-starts and stutters. Not viewable.

Would that it were otherwise.

899 pat  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:04:50pm

I cannot read all before me, but there is no doubt at all this condition was designed to remove Christian clubs from campus. It surely was not calculated to remove the Muslims(now a race). While I do not disagree with the concept, I suspect the Muslims of Irvine and Michigan will thrive under the bill. To the detriment Jews and Christians.

900 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:04:56pm

re: #891 Crux Australis

How are the Jihad wildfires workin' out for ya?

901 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:04:58pm

re: #885 Basho

Yeah... I'm not saying he's a creationist, but I think placing that article on his site with no counterarguments shows to me he may see some merit. I'm an VDH fan, so this little thing saddens me. I've already read several articles from people putting down VDH because of this.

It confuses me, but mostly because I'm not well-versed in either. Can you provide links to those articles putting VDH down?

902 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:04:58pm

re: #874 Racer X

oooh!

Hubble Space Telescope Advent Calendar 2008
Way cool!

Definitely - I love pic 2, using a galaxy as a lens - what better demo of Einstein's theory could there be?

903 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:05:02pm

re: #878 lifeofthemind

Feinstein.

904 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:05:21pm

re: #897 unclassifiable

Sweet dreams my friend

905 little boomer  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:05:41pm

re: #874 Racer X

You have done it again! kudos.

906 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:06:26pm

re: #838 realwest

thanks. i am still active. hopefully will be for a while. currently, if you enlist for any period of time less than eights years, then you have to serve the remainder of your time after you get out until the eight year mark on the individual ready reserve. they do call people off the ready reserve to active duty pretty frequently, though.

907 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:06:30pm

re: #870 realwest

Hey Hoops! I'm doing ok, 'cept my "good eye" (the one I can see out of to read) is kinda irritated by something - scratch maybe, I dunno. Othewise I'm doing fine and hope you are too!

Doing wonderful friend...How is your mom doing tonight? In 4 hours it will be the one year anniversary of my brother calling me that our mother had passed away..Valentines day.. There will be tears in a few hours, and deep sorrow..and then I will continue with life..

908 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:06:53pm

Charles thank you for this site.

Good Night All.

909 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:07:24pm

re: #856 HoosierHoops

yes, in 2003 i was in Habiniyah. I was in the 3 ID and we were moved there after the invasion. Habiniyah is about 20 KM west of Fallujah.

910 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:07:30pm

re: #901 Noam Sayin'

[Link: blog.janehaddam.com...]

911 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:07:33pm

re: #878 lifeofthemind

Evening.
Trust everyone has read about/seen Pelosi blowing the Pakistani involvement in our Predator Ops. My passing daydream was some Flag Officer taking the occasion to throw his stars at her and curse her out but good on National Television. She really does deserve to be bitch-slapped publicly. Funny, I spend my time on other blogs urging people to be less inflammatory and here I affirmatively avoid hot button threads on topics like ID or Spencer et al but these Democrats are making hard for those of us who want a civil constitutional debate. People are getting killed because of this idiot.

Remember she isn't even the real stupid Senator from California.

NO! NO! NO!
PELOSI DID NOT DO THAT.

SEN. DIANNE FIENSTEIN DID IT. SHE IS THE CHAIR OF THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

912 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:08:00pm

re: #826 mrshankly01

i was in SW Baghdad for most of it, Sadr City building a wall for about a month in May

Slummin' it huh? ;>}

913 lifeofthemind  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:08:02pm

re: #903 itellu3times

Feinstein.

Of course, I preview but that doesn't mean I actually read what I write.

914 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:08:13pm

re: #788 Afrocity

Were there more people in this world with your moral compass.

Like you, I've become disillusioned with the DNC.

915 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:08:32pm

re: #906 mrshankly01

Thank you for serving our country.

916 lifeofthemind  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:08:57pm

re: #911 MandyManners

NO! NO! NO!
PELOSI DID NOT DO THAT.

SEN. DIANNE FIENSTEIN DID IT. SHE IS THE CHAIR OF THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

Stop yelling at me over the trivial and respond to the substance.

917 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:09:02pm

re: #899 pat

I cannot read all before me, but there is no doubt at all this condition was designed to remove Christian clubs from campus. It surely was not calculated to remove the Muslims(now a race). While I do not disagree with the concept, I suspect the Muslims of Irvine and Michigan will thrive under the bill. To the detriment Jews and Christians.

With all due respect I have for you, Pat, that is utter nonsense.

918 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:09:04pm

re: #846 gmsc

The year 2008 according to JibJab:


[Video]

A side note: Every time JibJab does a "year in review" music video, as they've done for 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008, they've all been complaints about how bad the year has been.

While they try to play sides of the field, they do show some liberal bias. I wouldn't be surprised that, with 0bama in office and the Dems' increased majority, their song pick for the 2009 in review is a parody of something like The Perfect Year.

919 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:09:06pm

re: #856 HoosierHoops

please wish your son well. i think i would rather due a year plus deployment and then have a year plus home than due the 7 and 7 the marines have.

920 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:09:12pm

re: #882 reine.de.tout

Click his football - all is made clear.

Oh!

921 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:09:45pm

re: #858 realwest

Yeah - it was a done deal but we had hope - now gone - time for Plan 9 - I mean Plan B.

922 pat  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:09:48pm

re: #911 MandyManners

She is an evil Cretin.

923 Aviator  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:09:49pm

re: #880 NY Nana

And while they are at it? They can explain it to their kids who will not be able to afford a university education, to senior citizens, as our medical care in going to tank..selective care, socialist-style, but it turns out that this massacre by Congress will affect all re their alleged medical care.

/There are so many delicious little secrets buried in that bill that I will bet all of them will not even be uncovered in the next 10 years.

Well, not all will be affected. Pretty sure the congress critters will continue to have the best health care our money can buy for them.

924 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:09:59pm

re: #878 lifeofthemind

Evening.
Trust everyone has read about/seen Pelosi blowing the Pakistani involvement in our Predator Ops. My passing daydream was some Flag Officer taking the occasion to throw his stars at her and curse her out but good on National Television. She really does deserve to be bitch-slapped publicly. Funny, I spend my time on other blogs urging people to be less inflammatory and here I affirmatively avoid hot button threads on topics like ID or Spencer et al but these Democrats are making hard for those of us who want a civil constitutional debate. People are getting killed because of this idiot.

Remember she isn't even the real stupid Senator from California.

Ok before you go to overboard, it was Feinstein, the Taliban already know about the airstrips, and there have been articles in the dailies in Pakistan about them that I read last year. I posted a snip from Asia times from Syed, mouth of the Taliban, in an earlier thread from back in October. In Dec. the Taliban attacked the strip in Peshawar.

I think this is a ploy to get the Pakistani gov't to quit mouthing off at every drone strike. There's kind of an unspoken policy on their side that they will claim civilian deaths at every strike even if there are none for political cover. If you talk to some of the real spooks they'll vent to you about it off the record.

925 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:10:00pm

More cool pics.

926 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:10:16pm

re: #910 Basho

Thanks.

927 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:10:18pm

re: #445 ploome hineni

Walter is that you?

May your blood turn to whiskey, so that a hundred bedbugs get drunk on it and dance the mazurka in your belly button.

928 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:10:41pm

re: #926 Noam Sayin'

No prob =)

929 pat  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:10:51pm

re: #917 MandyManners

Then we shall see. It is that simple.

930 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:10:53pm

re: #873 Thanos Well Thanos you know how much I respect your opinion but the Dems got 60 votes in the Senate, just enough to pass it and to do that they flew some Dem Senator home - on a Air Force plane, authorized by Obama - from his mothers' funeral. If EITHER Snow, or Collins or Specter had voted with the Republicans, then - at least as I understand it - the bill would have gone down in flames.
But, still and all, this is a DEMOCRATIC PARTY LAW and there's no mistaking that at all. Because I love America, I hope this law really does help the economy out and let the Dem's have all the credit. But I DONT' think this bill is gonna change our economy for the better by very much and I think there is gonna be buyer's remorse all over the place by the end of the calendar year.

931 Crux Australis  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:11:03pm

re: #900 Racer X

How are the Jihad wildfires workin' out for ya?

As far as I can see the arsonists weren't Muslim, just your average neighborhood wackos.

932 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:11:05pm

re: #876 The Shadow Do

Mr. Shankly. Old Smiths Song.

933 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:11:07pm

Ahhhhhh!

Kids in bed, all is quite a pint of Arrogant Bastard Ale next to me ready for the FNDT!

1st, Huck, shut up. The Bill screws everyone from the first letter to the last period. It not becoming to whine about Christians being persecuted.

2nd any trolls about? My day suck I'd love to take it out on troll!

3rd
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
You the worst sort of slime in the Congress, I hope to have the chance to meet you and spit in your face, you've spit in mine and my kids with your vote. In the meantime I'll do my best to see you kick out of the party, and denied election to any office. YOU ARE UNFIT.

4th but not least Evening Honco Lizards, it's Friday!

934 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:11:26pm

re: #878 lifeofthemind

The disclosure by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, marked the first time a U.S. official had publicly commented on where the Predator aircraft patrolling Pakistan take off and land.

Just read about Feinstein running her trap for the world to hear. What a stupid bitch. She must be as qualified for her position as Geithner is for his.

935 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:12:03pm

re: #878 lifeofthemind

It was Di Fi. And yes she is an Idiot.

936 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:12:04pm

re: #889 Mich-again

"... You're going to be blown away!"

Not yet, but it's getting close.
/no-sarc

937 sleepyone  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:12:07pm

re: #927 Walter L. Newton

May your blood turn to whiskey, so that a hundred bedbugs get drunk on it and dance the mazurka in your belly button.

Walter is here!

938 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:12:18pm

So what's everyone going to do with your extra $13 a week? I think I'll bury mine in the backyard.

939 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:12:27pm

re: #876 The Shadow Do

Well, no thanks necessary, but appreciated.

940 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:12:39pm

re: #878 lifeofthemind
I thought it was Sen. Feinstien who blew the news about the drones operating out of Pakistani bases?

941 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:12:39pm
942 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:12:47pm

re: #916 lifeofthemind

Stop yelling at me over the trivial and respond to the substance.

Huh? Knowing the name of the Senator in charge of the Intelligence Committee is "trivial"?

943 sleepyone  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:13:22pm

re: #938 NJDhockeyfan

So what's everyone going to do with your extra $13 a week? I think I'll bury mine in the backyard.

That won't even cover my beer expense!

944 Scion9  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:13:26pm

re: #788 Afrocity

No, it is not false. When voters realize what the outcome of a states electoral votes will be, they don't vote. It also encourages voter fraud. I know of at least 10 people from Chicago who voted in Florida, 4 that voted in Ohio, 37 i counted them) who voted in Indiana. In one case this person got a PO box in Florida and voted absentee. Why? Illinois does not need their Obama vote so give it to him somplace where he does need it. My ex roommate who lived in New York voted in North Carolina- a battle ground state, she used her friends address.

The reason people don't vote is very arguable. The turnout in swing states is higher than non-swing states, but not drastically so. Lots of swing state voters still sit on their asses, so voter apathy clearly has other causes.

As for voter fraud, personal corruption is what causes it. A popular vote wouldn't amend this. People would just find methods of which to vote anywhere and everywhere as often as possible to push that overall number higher in the popular vote.

Voter fraud in general though is endemic to any democratic system. Systems and measures can be put in place but nothing will ever be perfect.
Just be satisfied that things aren't quite as rough as they used to be in Presidential elections.

The phenomena of the 'swing state' can be seen in other Democratic systems in other countries that use a popular system though. It manifests in other ways, but the result being that certain parts of the electorate are ignored because their voter demographic doesn't significantly sway any elections.

945 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:13:44pm

re: #635 Basho

I usually enjoy going back to the old blogs and continuing the discussion and/or debate... But a couple of recent members, the guy you mentioned included, just drove me up the wall.

It's those faux-evolutionist trolls that raise my blood pressure the most.

Sorry, I missed your post on my previous scan. Yes, totally agreed with you there. My last post to that character is here. You might be able to intuit a certain degree of annoyance on my part.

946 avanti  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:13:49pm

re: #924 Thanos

Ok before you go to overboard, it was Feinstein, the Taliban already know about the airstrips, and there have been articles in the dailies in Pakistan about them that I read last year. I posted a snip from Asia times from Syed, mouth of the Taliban, in an earlier thread from back in October. In Dec. the Taliban attacked the strip in Peshawar.


I first read about those bases early last year, it turned out they were discussed in the Washington Post in March.

947 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:13:52pm

re: #914 Noam Sayin'

Were there more people in this world with your moral compass.

Like you, I've become disillusioned with the DNC.

Noam I was a fool for being a democrat. I mostly did it because of my mom and when she died in '07 , I began to look at myself for what I was.
The voter fraud that went on in Chicago was disgusting. I got sent three voter registration cards last week.

948 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:14:22pm

re: #916 lifeofthemind

Stop yelling at me over the trivial and respond to the substance.

Oh, for goodness' sake. It's just bad form.

949 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:14:29pm

re: #930 realwest

I agree on the hopes for success. I'd rather admit that I was wrong and have my job than be jobless and right...on this one.

950 Timbre  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:14:31pm

But Obama won't persecute Christians-- He May Be the Prophetic Answer for America!

951 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:14:44pm

re: #919 mrshankly01

please wish your son well. i think i would rather due a year plus deployment and then have a year plus home than due the 7 and 7 the marines have.

He was to deploy to Afghanistan jan.3rd.. At thanksgiving they changed the deployment for the 3/5 Marines to Japan..The baddest Marines in the world is hanging in Japan..We are counting our blessings..You know us parents..But in our joy there was a question mark...Why Japan?

952 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:14:56pm

re: #941 MikeySDCA

Stuffed Jackalope.

A fine hoax of the Old West.

Good Night Now.

953 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:15:07pm

re: #945 Jimmah
Hmm - link didn't work - I'll try again.

My last post to that character is here: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

954 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:15:11pm

re: #930 realwest

I know it looks that way, but we are talking politicians. Both left with what they wanted, no harm no foul, the RINOS take the heat and they can stand it in their electorate. Going down in flames would have just created the Phoenix stimulus bill.

955 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:15:13pm

re: #878 lifeofthemind

Evening.
Trust everyone has read about/seen Pelosi blowing the Pakistani involvement in our Predator Ops. My passing daydream was some Flag Officer taking the occasion to throw his stars at her and curse her out but good on National Television. She really does deserve to be bitch-slapped publicly. Funny, I spend my time on other blogs urging people to be less inflammatory and here I affirmatively avoid hot button threads on topics like ID or Spencer et al but these Democrats are making hard for those of us who want a civil constitutional debate. People are getting killed because of this idiot.

Remember she isn't even the real stupid Senator from California.

(Feinstein) that's the kind of loose lips that get people killed. We've got people in Pakistan running the drones. Common knowledge that the are there puts them in danger. Pakistan is hanging by a thread politically, this will further weaken the thread. I know Pakistan is not great, but where it is at now is better then a full blown jihadi state. She just gave it big shove in that direction.

She should at the VERY LEAST lose her seat on the intel committee.

956 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:15:32pm
957 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:15:33pm

re: #938 NJDhockeyfan

So what's everyone going to do with your extra $13 a week? I think I'll bury mine in the backyard.

I'm going to save up for a month so I can buy enough paper to print my own copy of the porkulus bill.

958 saberry0530  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:15:49pm

re: #951 HoosierHoops

He was to deploy to Afghanistan jan.3rd.. At thanksgiving they changed the deployment for the 3/5 Marines to Japan..The baddest Marines in the world is hanging in Japan..We are counting our blessings..You know us parents..But in our joy there was a question mark...Why Japan?

To help and get ready for the move to Guam later next year?

959 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:15:49pm

re: #881 NJDhockeyfan

I used to live in New York when I was in School and I would see them every now and then. I moved to GA in 2001 and it was too far to drive to ATL.

960 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:15:50pm

re: #948 MandyManners

Oh, for goodness' sake. It's just bad form.

Just because two women are of the same party does not mean that they are of the same mettle.

961 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:17:05pm

re: #946 avanti

I first read about those bases early last year, it turned out they were discussed in the Washington Post in March.

Yes, they are somewhat common knowledge in Pakistan, but only mumbled about in the bazaars, never mentioned by the pols. The moderates by and large support them.

962 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:17:17pm

re: #906 mrshankly01 Holy cow - 8 years? Wow - when I was in it was 6 years, 3 active duty (if you enlisted as I did) 1 ready reserve and 2 inactive reserve; draftees were 2, 2 and 2. Course, they don't even have my rank anymore!
But I again thank you very much for your service sir!

963 pat  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:17:22pm

Specter is a senile pigfucker. Collins is a dolt. Snowe is trying to be important. She wants to be the next Specter since he just wrote his obit. "Traitor to his party. And a bit stupid. But given to flattery."

964 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:17:37pm

I don't agree with the point of view that says if you point out any problems in the theory of evolution that you are anti-science. Of course there is overwhelming empirical evidence that the species have evolved over time. But the explanations given for how and why the species evolved or became extinct are not bulletproof.

Just a few weeks back here I disagreed with the notion that all genetic mutations are random and I was panned and accused of being a creationist. Then I explained that radiation can cause mutations so if an environment was high in radiation levels then it would follow that more mutations would occur there than in another environment that was not as high in radiation levels. In other words, perhaps mutations are not just random occurrences but can be affected by the environment.

My point is it should be OK to question things without being accused of being anti-science and a creationist.

As for the theories about abiogenesis, don't get me started. Those are all just about as crazy as believing Genesis literally.

965 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:17:41pm

I've learned that no matter how important (or unimportant) an issue is, someone will always pop up and yell at me that it's a "pissing match" and I'm wasting my time even thinking about it.

966 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:17:52pm

re: #881 NJDhockeyfan

re: #890 Dan G.

well, no children, but a great wife

967 Timbre  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:17:59pm

re: #952 Ojoe

Stuffed Jackalope.

A fine hoax of the Old West.

Good Night Now.

Odessa Jackalopes Hockey!

968 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:18:10pm

re: #953 Jimmah

Yep, I detected a tad bit of annoyance. Sweet =)

969 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:18:12pm

re: #958 saberry0530

To help and get ready for the move to Guam later next year?

Dunno..He is out after this deployment..Wants to be cop..I'm so proud of him..But I bet it still doesn't get me out of a speeding tik

971 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:18:18pm

re: #950 Timbre

But Obama won't persecute Christians-- He May Be the Prophetic Answer for America!

I guess that explains this picture.

972 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:18:22pm

re: #924 Thanos

Ok before you go to overboard, it was Feinstein, the Taliban already know about the airstrips, and there have been articles in the dailies in Pakistan about them that I read last year. I posted a snip from Asia times from Syed, mouth of the Taliban, in an earlier thread from back in October. In Dec. the Taliban attacked the strip in Peshawar.

I think this is a ploy to get the Pakistani gov't to quit mouthing off at every drone strike. There's kind of an unspoken policy on their side that they will claim civilian deaths at every strike even if there are none for political cover. If you talk to some of the real spooks they'll vent to you about it off the record.

From a spook - on the record.

[Link: formerspook.blogspot.com...]

FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 2009
Diane Feinstein: Idiot
And she's Chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Too bad she can't keep a secret, as the Los Angeles Times revealed:

A senior U.S. lawmaker said Thursday that unmanned CIA Predator aircraft operating in Pakistan are flown from an air base in that country, a revelation likely to embarrass the Pakistani government and complicate its counter-terrorism collaboration with the United States.

The disclosure by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, marked the first time a U.S. official had publicly commented on where the Predator aircraft patrolling Pakistan take off and land.

At a hearing, Feinstein expressed surprise over Pakistani opposition to the campaign of Predator-launched CIA missile strikes against Islamic extremist targets along Pakistan's northwestern border. "As I understand it, these are flown out of a Pakistani base," she said.

Feinstein's revelation suggests that Washington and Islamabad have a much closer relationship on counter-terrorism issues that has been previously disclosed. In fact, Pakistan has been roundly criticized by some U.S. officials for "not doing enough" to combat terrorists that operate from its soil.

Needless to say, the Senator's inadvertent disclosure will cause all sorts of problems for the Islamabad government. Predator attacks are unpopular in Pakistan because they sometimes kill civilians, along with Al Qaida and Taliban operatives. Now, the government must deal with the revelation that the U.S. drones--and American support personnel--are operating from Pakistani soil. We're guessing that the CIA and the Air Force are already looking at new basing options.

Senator Feinstein's comments also reveal the cavalier attitude of many elected officials towards classified information. If a mere mortal (read: military member or CIA employee) divulged this information, they'd be looking at possible jail time. But, because the sensitive arrangement was disclosed by a U.S. Senator, well, it's just an unfortunate slip-of-the-lip.

Normally, we'd suggest some sort of ulterior motive for the comment, but not in this case. Widely regarded as one of the dimmest bulbs in the Senate, such remarks are simply par for the Feinsten course. It's a good thing Ms. Feinstein found her calling in the government; she'd never have a chance in the private sector, where discretion, tact (and intelligence) still count for something.

Labels: Diane Feinstein; U.S. Senate; Pakistan; Predator drone operations

POSTED BY GEORGE SMILEY

973 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:18:29pm

Tibet's Great Prayer Festival (pics)

Tibetans recently observed Monlam, or The Great Prayer Festival, with prayers, ritual dances, traditional foods and giant tapestry-like paintings. Ethnic Tibetans are maintaining their traditional culture while change slowly comes their way.
....
Foreign travelers have now been banned from large parts of western Tibet until late March. Several portraits in today's entry come courtesy of photographer Hugo Teixeira. (33 photos total)

974 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:18:32pm

re: #955 jcm

JCM, read my comments, those bases were already common knowledge in Pakistan, but right now the less we talk about them the better -- not all are "outted" by the statement.

975 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:18:52pm
976 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:18:54pm

re: #907 HoosierHoops
Mom is doing ok, thank you Hoops, and I'm sure tomorrow will indeed bring some sadness, and can only offer you my sympathy and condolences.

977 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:19:22pm

re: #965 Charles

Its good feedback to have; lets you know you're on the right track ;)

978 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:19:25pm

re: #959 mrshankly01

I used to live in New York when I was in School and I would see them every now and then. I moved to GA in 2001 and it was too far to drive to ATL.

I saw them a couple years ago in Washington. They won in overtime-shootout. I got some great pictures while I was there.

979 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:19:57pm

re: #966 mrshankly01

Give her a hell of a Valentine's Day!

980 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:20:09pm

re: #965 Charles

I've learned that no matter how important (or unimportant) an issue is, someone will always pop up and yell at me that it's a "pissing match" and I'm wasting my time even thinking about it.

Lemonade: Pink or Natural?

Decide soon as SUMMER is upon us.

981 Timbre  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:20:36pm

re: #965 Charles

I've learned that no matter how important (or unimportant) an issue is, someone will always pop up and yell at me that it's a "pissing match" and I'm wasting my time even thinking about it.

Just don't have apissing match down here in West Texas in March... or I guess in Santa Ana season in your California--everyone gets wet!

982 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:20:58pm

re: #892 x-wing

my 1SG was on M60A3s. He likes the M1A1 better, though. More room to sleep.

983 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:21:15pm

re: #972 Bobibutu

Sorry, but it's false or uninformed umbrage. The bases were and are known.

984 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:21:24pm

re: #965 Charles

I've learned that no matter how important (or unimportant) an issue is, someone will always pop up and yell at me that it's a "pissing match" and I'm wasting my time even thinking about it.

And being used to it - sticking to your guns - damn the torpedos ... and all the rest.

985 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:21:37pm

re: #894 Racer X

thanks, i will enjoy it.

986 pat  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:21:46pm

Obama did not write this bill. While he had reps at the end, yes, but this is a Pelosi bill, all the way. That is why she went mad dog on Reid. This bill was drafted months ago. She saw the opportunity and took the chance.

987 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:22:18pm

re: #923 Aviator

Well, not all will be affected. Pretty sure the congress critters will continue to have the best health care our money can buy for them.

Excellent point, sadly. Well, since everyone will be paid with Monopoly $$$$$, at least they will be in the same boat as us. If only we all had the same level of health insurance as they do...does it continue when they are no longer in office?

If so, what I have to say will be [deleted]. Actually, what I think of their health care compared to the rest of us, it is not good for my blood glucose levels or my anything, come to think of it.

Hospitals in the NYC metro area are closing in record numbers. And I will bet that illegals, who already have carte blanche to free care, are the cause. The One has opened the doors to all, terrorists included.

988 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:22:19pm

Hello Night Lizards! It's SNOWING again in Near Iowa.

So, were we given any examples of how the Porkulous Bill is anti-Christian. And is it anti-Christian or anti-religious people in general?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

989 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:22:49pm
990 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:23:04pm

re: #963 pat

Specter is a senile pigfucker. Collins is a dolt. Snowe is trying to be important. She wants to be the next Specter since he just wrote his obit. "Traitor to his party. And a bit stupid. But given to flattery."

I said this the other day. If Spector makes it out of the primary, I'm voting for the Democrat.
Can't be any worse.

991 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:23:33pm

re: #893 realwest

"Notice how the Dems complain that the Reps "steal elections" but they never sue them in court over it."
Two words: Al Gore.


No that was not about any Republican's fraudulent voting. That was the Dems trying to steal the election with the help of the Florida Supreme Court. I don't recall any accusations of fraudulent voting on the part of Republicans.

There were plenty of accusations that ballots (designed and approved by Democrat politicians) were too confusing for some voters and needed to be looked at to determine the voter's "intention". Just like what's going on in Minn.

992 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:23:41pm

re: #912 x-wing

haha, it was pretty rough. but we got steak a lot. no vegetables or bread but it was better than what they ate in WWII

993 oh_dude  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:23:51pm

re: #734 Thanos

No I don't. I was raised Catholic but haven't been to church in ages.

All I was trying to say is that is truck me as strange that the new plan to attract voters to the GOP is to jettison a voting block that is now deemed undesirable. I thought the whole point was to attract voters.

You talk about some of these named zealots (and I probably agree), but for every zealot, how many followers are there? How many people do you think actually like what Huck was saying? 10? 100? 100? 10,000? How many will end up voting ROP and not Dem because they know that Huck belongs to the ROP? Those numbers start adding up don't they?

994 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:24:03pm

re: #974 Thanos

Hi. Would you please contact me?

995 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:24:19pm

re: #971 gmsc

I guess that explains this picture.

LOL...I like this quote from the comments...

I just love to go in Borders, or even WalMart, and find displays of Obama material. With little effort, and much satisfaction, I get a kick out of taking other - preferably conservative - books and covering the Obama material with Ann Coulter or the like.

996 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:24:44pm

re: #915 Afrocity

thanks

997 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:24:48pm

re: #974 Thanos

JCM, read my comments, those bases were already common knowledge in Pakistan, but right now the less we talk about them the better -- not all are "outted" by the statement.

There's a difference between common knowledge of the locals and an official statement of the head of the intel committee.

Okay, it won't put the operators in much extra danger. However she spoke out of turn and should be removed.

998 sleepyone  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:24:58pm

Off topic but sort of interesting (at least to me). I'm a graphic designer who specializes in book covers and I'm revising a paperback cover for a book that I designed while in hardcover (I also designed the original edition when it went to paperback). Anyway, I thought it curious that the subtitle had changed thus:

Original hardcover title/subtitle:
Afghanistan: A Military History from Alexander the Great to the Present

Original paperback title/subtitle:
Afghanistan: A Military History from Alexander the Great to the Defeat of the Taliban

New title/subtitle:
Afghanistan: A Military History from Alexander the Great to the War Against the Taliban

999 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:25:09pm

re: #983 Thanos

Sorry, but it's false or uninformed umbrage. The bases were and are known.

Granted - but the Senator who is the Chair of the Intel Committee might think before she speaks on such a sensitive area?

1000 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:25:27pm

re: #924 Thanos

Ok before you go to overboard, it was Feinstein, the Taliban already know about the airstrips, and there have been articles in the dailies in Pakistan about them that I read last year. I posted a snip from Asia times from Syed, mouth of the Taliban, in an earlier thread from back in October. In Dec. the Taliban attacked the strip in Peshawar.

I think this is a ploy to get the Pakistani gov't to quit mouthing off at every drone strike. There's kind of an unspoken policy on their side that they will claim civilian deaths at every strike even if there are none for political cover. If you talk to some of the real spooks they'll vent to you about it off the record.

I don't think it matters at all what the Taliban know or don't know. Do you really think Feinstein is part of the ploy? Or is this spin?

I think she ran her mouth when she shouldn't have.

1001 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:26:21pm

re: #910 Basho

I don't know, man. I'm rather nonplussed by Jane's argument. I didn't do a forensic edit of it, but it seemed to bounce around for about 2/3 of the article, only to land on the one post he welcomed at his site.

Did I miss something?

1002 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:26:28pm

re: #982 mrshankly01

my 1SG was on M60A3s. He likes the M1A1 better, though. More room to sleep.

Wow I'm getting old. I'd like to test the drivers compartment of the M1A1 ,for drivability purposes and sleeping purposes;>}

That was the best place to snooze in the A3s, as long as nobody turned the turret.

1003 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:26:40pm

re: #951 HoosierHoops

got to have marines in Japan, they just lucked out.

1004 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:27:09pm

re: #874 Racer X

oooh!

Hubble Space Telescope Advent Calendar 2008

Way cool!

Beyond "Way cool".

Truly unbelievable!

Every single one of those photos is life-changing.

1005 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:27:12pm
1006 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:27:16pm

re: #769 Charles

Nope. I don't want him nominated or elected. We agree. My point is just that I don't like to see debate turn into pointless name-calling. I don't think it's very useful and it bothers me. That's all. Possibly I should have just kept my opinion to myself, but I like everyone here (well except for one particular poster that got busted and banned), and just thought I'd put an oar in for civility.

1007 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:27:24pm

re: #993 oh_dude

All I was trying to say is that is truck me as strange that the new plan to attract voters to the GOP is to jettison a voting block that is now deemed undesirable. I thought the whole point was to attract voters.

No one said anything about "jettisoning" anyone. The problem is not that religious fundamentalists are present in the GOP, it's that they are largely in charge of the GOP.

It did not used to be like this; it's a fairly recent development, and it has led the GOP to ruin, in my opinion. (And not just my opinion.)

1008 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:27:32pm

re: #995 NJDhockeyfan

I just love to go in Borders, or even WalMart, and find displays of Obama material. With little effort, and much satisfaction, I get a kick out of taking other - preferably conservative - books and covering the Obama material with Ann Coulter or the like.

Hehe!

I thought I was the only one who did that!

At the very least I turn the books facing back.

I'm a little shit, I know.

1009 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:27:58pm

re: #986 pat

Obama did not write this bill. While he had reps at the end, yes, but this is a Pelosi bill, all the way. That is why she went mad dog on Reid. This bill was drafted months ago. She saw the opportunity and took the chance.

A very calculating wench - I despise her and respect her abilities as I did wild Willies.

1010 pat  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:28:04pm

I have been in a pissing contest. I cannot even do 3 feet. But I beat every girl on the beach that night.

1011 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:28:19pm

re: #993 oh_dude

Equal numbers are being driven away. I'll point to Kansas, Dennis Moore - D is my congresscritter, and nobody would have thought it at all possible to get any D elected in this district 15 years ago. Thanks to the Discovery Institute, Randall Terry, the Brownback wing, and other pacs like that my state's turned from Red to Purple.

1012 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:28:54pm

re: #910 Basho

[Link: blog.janehaddam.com...]


She doesn't link to the specific commentary. I haven't had time to even scan all the commentaries by Scambray (there's a lot) but most seem to be book reviews on books ABOUT evolution et al.

1013 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:26pm

re: #962 realwest

yea, a bunch of my friends got called back in. kind of a raw deal, but we knew about it when we joined up.

1014 esch  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:36pm

re: #1011 Thanos

Equal numbers are being driven away. I'll point to Kansas, Dennis Moore - D is my congresscritter, and nobody would have thought it at all possible to get any D elected in this district 15 years ago. Thanks to the Discovery Institute, Randall Terry, the Brownback wing, and other pacs like that my state's turned from Red to Purple.

Count your blessings. I've got Keith MF Ellison.

1015 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:38pm

Is it just me or has FOX News prime time turned into a cartoon network, ratcheting up the comical buffoonery since the election?

/damn, I actually miss Skelator

1016 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:29:42pm

re: #1004 zombie

Beyond "Way cool".

Truly unbelievable!

Every single one of those photos is life-changing.

Thanks!

I thought so too; they made my leg tingle.

1017 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:04pm

Come sit beside me, my only son.

Youtube Video
1018 clgood  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:08pm

Well of course the stimulus persecutes christians! It persecutes everybody -- who isn't part of the Democrats' Marxist clique, at least.

More seriously, political conservatives will be the most persecuted, and it's just demographics that this will impact more christians than non. This in no way justifies the Huckster's silly rant, of course. It's just statistics.

1019 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:10pm

re: #964 Mich-again

Just a few weeks back here I disagreed with the notion that all genetic mutations are random and I was panned and accused of being a creationist. Then I explained that radiation can cause mutations so if an environment was high in radiation levels then it would follow that more mutations would occur there than in another environment that was not as high in radiation levels. In other words, perhaps mutations are not just random occurrences but can be affected by the environment.

Surely it was pointed out to you that the mutations in an environment with a higher level of background radiation may be more frequent, but are still every bit as random in terms of what bits of dna are affected and how?

Acknowledging that the environment plays a part in the frequency of mutation does not in any way suggest that the mutations themselves are anything but random.


As for the theories about abiogenesis, don't get me started. Those are all just about as crazy as believing Genesis literally.

That comment got you your down ding, in case you are wondering. It's just ridiculous to try to draw an equivalence between scientific speculation re abiogenesis and a religious myth like the genesis story. No wonder you got stick, if that's the sort of thing you were coming out with.

1020 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:32pm

re: #999 Bobibutu

Dianne's not a pelosi, she does think and this was said with purpose I think. She's also a strong supporter of Israel. See my comment on pressuring the pols in Pakistan above.

1021 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:43pm

re: #1001 Noam Sayin'

Eh... maybe you're right. I'm being oversensitive. I just think it's his website, and all the articles not written by him seem to have been deliberately picked. He's lending his name to that article. I go there to get his worldview, and I can't find a disclaimer saying he's not responsible for what others write. Eh, whatever. I'll let it go. I may be wrong.

1022 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:30:44pm

re: #979 Dan G.

haha, thanks, i will

1023 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:31:05pm

re: #1015 Killian Bundy

Is it just me or has FOX News prime time turned into a cartoon network, ratcheting up the comical buffoonery since the election?

/damn, I actually miss Skelator

It's unwatchable.

1024 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:32:01pm

re: #947 Afrocity

And here we are; left in the cold by the DNC.

We should cuddle together for warmth. ;)

1025 sleepyone  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:32:27pm

re: #1023 Charles

It's unwatchable.

I agree. I can't even watch Fox anymore.

Has anyone seen the insipid show Red Eye that's on very late at night on Fox? What are they thinking?

1026 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:32:29pm

re: #1002 x-wing

same for my driver, we had a stick to wake him up with.

1027 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:32:40pm

re: #992 mrshankly01

haha, it was pretty rough. but we got steak a lot. no vegetables or bread but it was better than what they ate in WWII

Glad to hear you ate good over there. Do they still serve those damn powdered eggs in the field?

1028 Scion9  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:32:57pm

re: #1025 sleepyone

Red Eye has been on for a while now.

1029 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:33:25pm

re: #1007 Charles
Are they really? Or is that just an impression strengthened by the MFM's constant coverage of any doofus they can label "Republican
Conservative" and write an articly about whatever jackassery they've done.

My opinion, it's the northeast liberal mayflower-aristocrat wing of the Republican party (headed by the Bushes) that seem to be in charge.

1030 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:33:29pm

re: #1007 Charles

No one said anything about "jettisoning" anyone. The problem is not that religious fundamentalists are present in the GOP, it's that they are largely in charge of the GOP.

It did not used to be like this; it's a fairly recent development, and it has led the GOP to ruin, in my opinion. (And not just my opinion.)

We have a lawyer here, in the Denver radio market, named Dan Caplis, and the state GOP is looking at him as a possible state senate run. He has been on the air for 10 years, and he is a staunch Catholic. And when I say staunch, I mean "papist," with most of what goes with that old word.

It's creationism all the way, in his case, the church can do NO wrong, and everyone else's moral compass is way off.

Almost every position he takes is first filtered through his religious beliefs, and he will bring them to the table.

1031 sleepyone  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:34:02pm

re: #1028 Scion9

Red Eye has been on for a while now.

I only caught it for the first time a couple of months ago. I guess I'm not watching TV at time that often.

1032 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:34:28pm

re: #1013 mrshankly01

yea, a bunch of my friends got called back in. kind of a raw deal, but we knew about it when we joined up.

Again, thanks to you and your friends and for stating that. Many of us have sent phone cards and airline miles and more - I hope you benefited from this or know someone who has.

1033 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:34:29pm

re: #933 jcm
Well hello there jcm! I gather you had one helluva day, eh? LOL!
Hey, if it makes you feel any better at all, I've now e-mailed Michael Steele the new head of the RNC, twice, and have received two repies - neither one a form response. The first one was about the stealth health provision and how I want The Three Stooges drummed out of our party. His polite repsonse was that he didn't have the authority to tell someone to remove the (R) after their name. The second one was to the effect that he's been busily raising dough for the RNC (which - he said and I don't know if it's true or not - raised more money than McCain did for the last election) and that he intends to spend that money judiciously - as in that district in NY that has always been Republican but twice elected that Dem woman who is going to get Hillary's seat and the other was some House member in Virginia who's name I've forgotten). So it looks to me as if he already has a "target list" of seats the Repub's can pick up in the House - he didn't mention Senate races.
And to top it all off, he called me by my real first name and signed it, "Michael"!
So there is someone in the Republican Party you can reach and get a response from. Specter responded that he only helps folks who live in Pennsylvania - so I replied perhaps he should refer to himself as Arlen Specter (R for PA ONLY) and drop the US Senator from his name.
Collins and Snowe never even sent me a form letter response.

1034 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:34:45pm

re: #1021 Basho

Charles doesn't seem to mind, and he's obsessed to the point of clinical insanity on this ID issue. And he hate Christians too! That's why he and the Pope are such good friends!
/

:)

1035 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:35:10pm

re: #1023 Charles

It's unwatchable.

They should get Hannity to do the "th-th-that's all folks" at the end of each show. :>

1036 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:35:13pm

re: #1025 sleepyone

I agree. I can't even watch Fox anymore.

Has anyone seen the insipid show Red Eye that's on very late at night on Fox? What are they thinking?

They're thinking "Ooooooooo, let's be edgy!"

1037 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:35:23pm

re: #986 pat

Obama did not write this bill. While he had reps at the end, yes, but this is a Pelosi bill, all the way. That is why she went mad dog on Reid. This bill was drafted months ago. She saw the opportunity and took the chance.

/and Collins, Snowe, and Spector signed off on the $787 billion spending cap(multi-$trillion with interest and ongoing new permanent spending) and let the Bonkeys allocate it with porky impunity

1038 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:35:56pm

re: #1029 jcw46

PIMF article not articly

1039 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:36:22pm

re: #1024 Noam Sayin'

And here we are; left in the cold by the DNC.

We should cuddle together for warmth. ;)

I have my GOP thong on keeping me warm.
Nobody ever leaves me ;-)

1040 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:36:54pm

re: #1021 Basho

Eh... maybe you're right. I'm being oversensitive. I just think it's his website, and all the articles not written by him seem to have been deliberately picked. He's lending his name to that article. I go there to get his worldview, and I can't find a disclaimer saying he's not responsible for what others write. Eh, whatever. I'll let it go. I may be wrong.

That's what has me curious. I'm going to track down that article from his site, and see if there are reader responses - and his response to such. I agree with you that it seems odd he would offer up that post.

re: #1023 Charles

It's unwatchable.

Stopped watching FOX long ago. I presumed you continued out or professional imperative, or morbid curiosity.

1041 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:37:00pm

re: #995 NJDhockeyfan

BTW, despite the weird turns 0bamania has taken, at least we have young people brave enough to stop their school from being renamed Barack 0bama High School!

1042 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:37:05pm

re: #1017 MandyManners

Come sit beside me, my only son.



FUCKING A.

1043 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:37:31pm

re: #1038 jcw46

PIMF article not articly

1044 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:37:50pm

re: #1023 Charles

yea, i don't agree with people who call fox news conservative, it is populist, you really can't talk about jessica simpson's weight and be called conservative. it gets more and more populist everyday.

1045 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:38:49pm

re: #1036 IslandLibertarian

re: #1025 sleepyone

I agree. I can't even watch Fox anymore.

Has anyone seen the insipid show Red Eye that's on very late at night on Fox? What are they thinking?

They're thinking "Ooooooooo, let's be edgy!"

I like Gutfield's comments at the fox news website. Usually they're spot on and amusing. Of course it helps that it's usually a shiv in the ribs of some Dem Sacred cow.

1046 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:39:01pm

re: #1039 Afrocity

I have my GOP thong on keeping me warm.

*thud*

1047 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:39:06pm

re: #1041 gmsc

BTW, despite the weird turns 0bamania has taken, at least we have young people brave enough to stop their school from being renamed Barack 0bama High School!

But you see where that all started, good old "People's Republic of Boulder."

1048 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:39:20pm

re: #1027 x-wing

im not sure if they are powdered or not, they serve an omelette in the MRE that is awesome (i was the only one in my company who liked them, which was nice during chow hours)

1049 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:39:21pm

re: #1020 Thanos

Dianne's not a pelosi, she does think and this was said with purpose I think. She's also a strong supporter of Israel. See my comment on pressuring the pols in Pakistan above.

I read it - OK - let's see what shakes out.

However I still am suspicious of her and her husband - China which is way OT.

1050 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:39:49pm

re: #1038 jcw46

PIMF article not articly

I dunny, I kind of liked "articly".

1051 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:40:41pm

re: #1032 Bobibutu

i have gotten many phone cards and was appreciative of them. i really enjoyed using them. america has really been great.

1052 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:40:53pm

re: #1050 reine.de.tout

I dunnydunno, I kind of liked "articly".

pimf

1053 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:07pm

re: #1049 Bobibutu

I read it - OK - let's see what shakes out.

However I still am suspicious of her and her husband - China which is way OT.

Count on us being much friendlier with China the next few years, someone's got to buy our bonds. Don't expect to hear much about Aung San Suu Kyi anymore in other words....

1054 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:20pm

re: #1039 Afrocity

I have my GOP thong on keeping me warm.

It's keeping us warm too.

;-)

1055 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:20pm

re: #1040 Noam Sayin'
See my google search of hanson's site for all of Scambray's commentaries.

1056 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:38pm

re: #1034 Basho

Actually, I do mind, and I hadn't seen that creationist article before you pointed it out. But since VDH himself hasn't written one word in favor of ID/creationism, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. There are a lot of different writers on his site, and I don't think he should be held responsible for the views of all of them.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that he's bought into the ID fraud. It's a huge problem on the right.

1057 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:41:40pm

re: #1033 realwest

Well hello there jcm! I gather you had one helluva day, eh? LOL!
Hey, if it makes you feel any better at all, I've now e-mailed Michael Steele the new head of the RNC, twice, and have received two repies - neither one a form response. The first one was about the stealth health provision and how I want The Three Stooges drummed out of our party. His polite repsonse was that he didn't have the authority to tell someone to remove the (R) after their name. The second one was to the effect that he's been busily raising dough for the RNC (which - he said and I don't know if it's true or not - raised more money than McCain did for the last election) and that he intends to spend that money judiciously - as in that district in NY that has always been Republican but twice elected that Dem woman who is going to get Hillary's seat and the other was some House member in Virginia who's name I've forgotten). So it looks to me as if he already has a "target list" of seats the Repub's can pick up in the House - he didn't mention Senate races.
And to top it all off, he called me by my real first name and signed it, "Michael"!
So there is someone in the Republican Party you can reach and get a response from. Specter responded that he only helps folks who live in Pennsylvania - so I replied perhaps he should refer to himself as Arlen Specter (R for PA ONLY) and drop the US Senator from his name.
Collins and Snowe never even sent me a form letter response.

Good to hear, maybe I'll drop asking to have them kick out of the party and just ask to have all election funding from the RNC cut off and support more conservative candidates.

It's good to hear he's responsive. I've only gotten form "thank you for your interest in blah blah" from my my senators. Reichert will write back, but my guy Jay Inslee hasn't responded.

1058 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:42:06pm

re: #1039 Afrocity

This one?

1059 mrshankly01  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:42:39pm

everyone, have a great night, happy valentines day

1060 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:42:52pm

re: #1051 mrshankly01

i have gotten many phone cards and was appreciative of them. i really enjoyed using them. america has really been great.

Out frikkin standing - good to have the feedback.

1061 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:05pm

We're not done getting shafted...

"Obama, addressing a White House group, noted that lawmakers had a "spirited debate" and said the legislation is "only the beginning" of what he considers necessary "to turn our economy around." The president did not get all he wanted out of the bill."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

1062 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:12pm

re: #1026 mrshankly01

same for my driver, we had a stick to wake him up with.


LOL, I never got the stick. The loader kicked my feet. I slept with my head by the brake pedal.

1063 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:13pm

Cool. IDF loiter attack drone.

Liveleak Video
1064 zombie  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:16pm

re: #1015 Killian Bundy

Is it just me or has FOX News prime time turned into a cartoon network, ratcheting up the comical buffoonery since the election?

/damn, I actually miss Skelator

re: #1023 Charles

It's unwatchable.

I'm glad everyone is coming around to my point of view. I've found television in general unwatchable for quite a long time, and definitely since about 2002.

In fact, it was the unwatchability of television which led me to seek out news online, and thence to blogs, and thence to...here.

So there is an upside.

1065 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:43:48pm

re: #874 Racer X

oooh!

Hubble Space Telescope Advent Calendar 2008

Way cool!

Jawdroppers, every one.

1066 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:44:14pm

re: #1046 Noam Sayin'
I have my GOP thong on keeping me warm.

Picture? :P

1067 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:10pm

re: #1064 zombie

I'm glad everyone is coming around to my point of view. I've found television in general unwatchable for quite a long time, and definitely since about 2002.

In fact, it was the unwatchability of television which led me to seek out news online, and thence to blogs, and thence to...here.

So there is an upside.

I haven't watch Fox news for over a year, and I use to have it on any time I was home. It was like background music.

1068 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:45:51pm

re: #806 Killian Bundy

I agree, Killian. ...and I'm glad. There are plenty of sensible, smart, conservative men and women who can run for President or Veep. We don't have to keep dipping into the same barrel. That's what amazed me about O's cabinet choices. Wow. Same old same old.

I am always feeling conflicted these days--I like Tom Hanks--and he turns out to be a leftie--same as Opie, the Fonz and Andy Griffith! Crikey. If I don't ignore the politics of these people, I don't go out to the movies on Sat'dy night!

1069 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:00pm

Bedtime for me - night folks :)

1070 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:05pm

re: #1056 Charles


It wouldn't surprise me to find out that he's bought into the ID fraud. It's a huge problem on the right.

Let's ask him.

1071 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:19pm

re: #1058 IslandLibertarian

No, mine has a pic of an elephant on it and they are hot pink with fur on the trunk. I bought six pair from Macy's and of course here in Chicago no one wanted the elephants, so I bought them.

1072 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:27pm

re: #1023 Charles

It's unwatchable.

Oh c'mon, O' Reilly and Greta aside, you just gotta love the "Lib-er-al Translation" [subliminal Bob Beckel] and "Hate Hannity" segment in between.

/and the unfolding "Obama puzzle", don't tell me you don't wait with baited breath every day for the next piece to be revealed

1073 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:46:57pm

Awww jeez...WTF is wrong with these people?

Afghan diplomat Mohammed Fagirad charged in all-day wife beating

An Afghan diplomat was charged Friday with beating his wife "like a dog" for more than 15 hours in their Queens home, prosecutors said.

Mohammed Fagirad, 30, a vice consul at the Afghanistan Consulate, brutalized his wife inside their Flushing home from about 8:30 a.m. Wednesday until nearly midnight, Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said.

During the attack, Fagirad bit, slapped, choked and beat the 22-year-old woman with a belt, pushed her down a flight of stairs and sat on her chest, prosecutors said.

At one point, prosecutors said, Fagirad threw his wife up against a wall, held her there by the neck and then let her drop to the floor, where he beat her with a belt.

Fagirad told police his "wife was a dog and he was going to treat her like a dog," prosecutors said.

When Fagirad left the home, his wife fled and went to the 109th Precinct stationhouse, where she filed a domestic violence report, prosecutors said. She then returned home.

When Fagirad returned, he demanded his wife's cell phone and called police to file a counterclaim, prosecutors said.

The woman, who was not named, was hospitalized for bruises and scratches to her neck and back.

Prosecutors said Fagirad's limited diplomatic immunity only covers work-related infractions.

1074 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:48:02pm

re: #1061 Walter L. Newton

We're not done getting shafted...

"Obama, addressing a White House group, noted that lawmakers had a "spirited debate" and said the legislation is "only the beginning" of what he considers necessary "to turn our economy around." The president did not get all he wanted out of the bill."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

You bend over and touch your toes, and I'll show you where the wild goose goes.

1075 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:48:06pm

re: #1069 Jimmah

nite

1076 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:48:29pm

re: #1015 Killian Bundy

Is it just me or has FOX News prime time turned into a cartoon network, ratcheting up the comical buffoonery since the election?

/damn, I actually miss Skelator

I agree completely--and, like you, miss Colmes, the guy I loved to hate.

1077 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:48:34pm

re: #1061 Walter L. Newton

We're not done getting shafted...

"Obama, addressing a White House group, noted that lawmakers had a "spirited debate" and said the legislation is "only the beginning" of what he considers necessary "to turn our economy around." The president did not get all he wanted out of the bill."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

What more do you freakin' WANT?!

1078 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:48:52pm

re: #1065 Jimmah

Poor Pluto!

1079 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:14pm

re: #1052 reine.de.tout

I dunnydunno, I kind of liked "articly".


pimf


See. It's catching.

(the quote thingy seems to be acting up. chops up the quoted comment worse than usual. I know there's a limit to how much you can get in the quote but this is really, really bad. won't quote even a 2 liner like above.)

1080 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:42pm

re: #1072 Killian Bundy

Oh c'mon, O' Reilly and Greta aside, you just gotta love the "Lib-er-al Translation" [subliminal Bob Beckel] and "Hate Hannity" segment in between.

/and the unfolding "Obama puzzle", don't tell me you don't wait with baited breath every day for the next piece to be revealed

I love Sean Hannity. He can do no wrong in my book. He is the perfect man in my eyes. He is cute, brilliant, charitable, aggressive, I could go on.

1081 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:49:50pm

re: #1071 Afrocity

...trying to imagine.........fur on trunk?..........hmmm......hot pink......OH!

1082 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:50:18pm

re: #1073 NJDhockeyfan

Awww jeez...WTF is wrong with these people?

/they're sexually repressed from cradle to grave, next question

1083 songbird  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:50:22pm

re: #1072 Killian Bundy

Oh c'mon, O' Reilly and Greta aside, you just gotta love the "Lib-er-al Translation" [subliminal Bob Beckel] and "Hate Hannity" segment in between.

/and the unfolding "Obama puzzle", don't tell me you don't wait with baited breath every day for the next piece to be revealed

The only lizards I know with baited breath are Roughy and Feisty after a meal of crickets!

1084 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:22pm

re: #1080 Afrocity

I love Sean Hannity. He can do no wrong in my book. He is the perfect man in my eyes. He is cute, brilliant, charitable, aggressive, I could go on.

And a good friend of Pat Buchanan.

1085 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:31pm

re: #1077 TheMatrix31

What more do you freakin' WANT?!

Who? Obama or me?

1086 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:32pm

Click this image
(after it loads)

1087 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:34pm

re: #1077 TheMatrix31

What more do you freakin' WANT?!

I know one of the next things he's looking at is mortgage assistance for some people.

And no, probably not any of us. ; ) I just can't wait to start paying for someone else's house!

1088 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:51:56pm

re: #1073 NJDhockeyfan

Minor domestic "violence" - cut the dude some slack.

/

1089 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:52:00pm

re: #1080 Afrocity

I love Sean Hannity. He can do no wrong in my book. He is the perfect man in my eyes. He is cute, brilliant, charitable, aggressive, I could go on.

/he should stick to radio 'cause his TV show is becoming juvenile and embarrassing

1090 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:52:04pm

re: #1055 jcw46

I emailed his assistant, but told her not to knock herself out over it.

1091 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:53:15pm

Good night, Lizards.

1092 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:53:39pm

re: #1023 Charles
Is there a station that IS watchable? Seriously, I only watch Natgeo and HGTV and whatever station my NY Giant's are being broadcast on (and that's with the sound off)!

1093 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:53:41pm

re: #1048 mrshankly01

im not sure if they are powdered or not, they serve an omelette in the MRE that is awesome (i was the only one in my company who liked them, which was nice during chow hours)

Aww, you missed the good stuff , we started out with C-Rats, while not horrible they were much better than the next generation MRE. Everything was dehydrated. Gawd I hated those. I did see a show on the Military Channel of what MREs you get now and they do look tastey.

1094 JHW  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:53:49pm

re: #1043 Thanos

Just logged on and noticed you mentioned Afghanistan earlier.Have you seen these documents by any chance? They were put out by the USMC, studying the Soviet-Afghan war and are, from what I gather, being studied with renewed interest now. They take a while to load, PDFs, can be saved to your machine. The first is interviews with mujaheddin , as they are called in the documents, the second is after-action reports by Soviet commanders. Sometimes they surprisingly agree, and the flaws in Soviet tactics are a bit conspicuos to students of military history.

The Other Side of the Mountain...mujaheddin tactics in the Soviet-Afghan War

the Bear Went Over the Mountain,Soviet Combat Tactics in Afghanistan

Hefty documents, a bit of patience neccessary for them to load. By USMC combat development command.

1095 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:53:59pm

re: #1019 Jimmah

That comment got you your down ding, in case you are wondering.

No I wasn't wondering and I don't follow the dings. Should I? My point was and is every one of those theories for abiogenesis that I have read have major problems as in they are essentially impossible in light of all of the evidence. They were each formulated using only convenient parts of the information, knowingly omitting other information because it belies the theory. It seems the scientists who propose one theory or another take turns taking pot shots at all the other theories for being incomplete. And they are all right in doing so. Scientists are supposed to find the holes in other scientists theories. It is how science progresses over time. We are a long way from understanding all of the physical processes that happened to bring us here to this point. Are we supposed to fall in line and say everything up to this point is known and established and all that remains is to go forward from here.

Its a bit like a maze. Sometimes you can get oh so close to the end but there is a wall between where you are at and the way out and even though you are close, you have to go back and figure out where you made the wrong turn along the way.

That is how the science of evolution will proceed. 3 steps forward, 2 steps back. And thats OK.

1096 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:08pm

re: #1091 MandyManners

Good night, Lizards.

Ta Babe.

1097 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:20pm

re: #1066 jcw46

re: #1046 Noam Sayin'
I have my GOP thong on keeping me warm.

Picture? :P

Alright, newbie. I think you need to learn to use the quote buttons. The way you worked that post implies that I am kept warm by my GOP thong.

I only wear it on special occasions, and almost always in the summer months.

/

1098 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:23pm

re: #11 Desert Dog

He should stick to playing bass, badly

When FNC gives Victor Wooten a show of his own, I'll turn it back on again.

1099 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:33pm

re: #1087 capitalist piglet

I know one of the next things he's looking at is mortgage assistance for some people.

And no, probably not any of us. ; ) I just can't wait to start paying for someone else's house!

I lost my house (and my A+ credit) two years ago, with no help. I did it all on my own.

Should I be asking Obama to kick out who ever may be in the house now so I can have it back? Hmmmm.... retroactive foreclosure.

1100 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:38pm

re: #1064 zombie

Who needs T.V.? I have the internet!

1101 Hobbes  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:54:46pm

re: #602 rawmuse

Because politicians would only campaign in the major population centers, since that is all that would matter anymore.

Campaigning isn't the end of it. Think of the laws they would enact!

1102 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:55:10pm

Were is the MSM?

SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON
INTELLIGENCE

FEBRUARY 2009
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY
ANNUAL THREAT ASSESSMENT

UNCLASSIFIED
STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD

Most Iraqi-led Sunni insurgent groups have largely suspended operations against the Coalition, favoring engagement with the United States to protect their communities, to oppose AQI, or protect against feared domination by the Iraqi Government, although many are hedging by maintaining their organizational structures and access to weapons.

Page 15.

1103 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:56:12pm

re: #1078 Racer X

Poor Pluto!

ROFL, they even have Neptunes axial tilt!

1104 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:56:14pm

re: #1085 Walter L. Newton

Who? Obama or me?

Obama.

1105 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:56:20pm

re: #1099 Walter L. Newton

I lost my house (and my A+ credit) two years ago, with no help. I did it all on my own.

Should I be asking Obama to kick out who ever may be in the house now so I can have it back? Hmmmm.... retroactive foreclosure.

It can't hurt. Do you have access to a town hall meeting, and can you cry at will?

What am I saying? Of course you can. You're an actor. I say go for it!

1106 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:57:06pm

re: #1070 Bobibutu

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that he's bought into the ID fraud. It's a huge problem on the right.


Let's ask him.

I really dislike the Discovery Institute and their ilk who have co-opted the words "Intelligent Design" as their buzz word. It can get confusing because I think many confuse that with the CONCEPT of intelligent design as pertaining to life on this planet. My personal view is one of there being a "guiding intelligence" behind the creation of the universe or at least the evolution of life on this planet. Doing so lets me remain open to scientific discovery and fact while maintaining my faith and belief in G-d.

1107 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:57:16pm

re: #1037 Killian Bundy
Oh please - you don't think Specter, Snowe and Collins didn't get some of that pork? That they voted for it cause it's a GOOD way to stimulate the economy?

1108 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:57:50pm

A good example that Fox is about as dishonest as the rest of them, try to find the names of the Republicans that voted FOR the stimulus bill tonight in the senate...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Go ahead, I'll wait.

1109 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:57:52pm

re: #1089 Killian Bundy

Give Sean a chance

1110 Basho  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:20pm

re: #1040 Noam Sayin'

That's what has me curious. I'm going to track down that article from his site, and see if there are reader responses - and his response to such. I agree with you that it seems odd he would offer up that post.

I linked the article earlier, which was a very positive review for a book by Behe, and from this other article Terry published elsewhere I think it's clear he has it in for "Darwin's theory":
[Link: www.articlearchives.com...]

1111 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:46pm

re: #1030 Walter L. Newton

he is a staunch Catholic. And when I say staunch, I mean "papist," with most of what goes with that old word.

It's creationism all the way,

The problem with that post is the Catholic Church does not push "Creationism", at least not in the typical use for the word namely anti-science and anti-evolution biblical fundamentalism.

Boy, people just toss that word around like its nothing.

1112 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:58:46pm

re: #1091 MandyManners

Night Mandy.

"Wake up Mandy i think I got somethin' to say to you"

1113 slokat  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:59:48pm

re: #988 ggt

Hello Night Lizards! It's SNOWING again in Near Iowa.

Just for the record, at noon my son sent me a text that the hills behind Santa Barbara were all covered in snow...

1114 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:59:49pm

re: #1105 capitalist piglet

It can't hurt. Do you have access to a town hall meeting, and can you cry at will?

What am I saying? Of course you can. You're an actor. I say go for it!

Well, he's going to be in Denver on Tuesday. He may even sign the bill here. Wouldn't Obama look good if he would just give me everything that is mine in the stimulus package while he is here? It would save the government on a lot of paperwork and postage.

1115 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 9:59:52pm

Obama returns home for first time as president

That's funny. If I had as many people criticizing me as 0bama does on this spendulus bill, the last place I'd want to be is in Chicago on Valentine's Day.

1116 Cheechako  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:00:27pm

re: #930 realwest

Well Thanos you know how much I respect your opinion but the Dems got 60 votes in the Senate, just enough to pass it and to do that they flew some Dem Senator home - on a Air Force plane, authorized by Obama - from his mothers' funeral. If EITHER Snow, or Collins or Specter had voted with the Republicans, then - at least as I understand it - the bill would have gone down in flames.


And had the bill gone down in flames the Democrats would have been forced to include the Republicans in any compromise. The minority party can always exert control over the majority on a budget bill in the Senate if the "majority party" does not have the 60 votes need to pass a budget bill.

Go back to the days when the Republicans had 50 or more votes in the Senate but not the 60 necessary to pass a budget bill. The Democrats controlled the agenda as they had to be included in any compromise to get anything passed.

1117 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:00:34pm

re: #1071 Afrocity

Is it getting hot in here, or is it just me?

1118 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:09pm

re: #1111 Mich-again

The problem with that post is the Catholic Church does not push "Creationism", at least not in the typical use for the word namely anti-science and anti-evolution biblical fundamentalism.

Boy, people just toss that word around like its nothing.

I was talking about Mr. Caplis' beliefs. He pushes it. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. He is sort of a pre-vatican II type of guy on many church issues.

1119 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:10pm

re: #1092 realwest
OOO. Someone else who watches sports with the sound off. Yay, I'm not alone. I cannot stand the constant chatter from the "color commentary" guys. It drives me nuts. Especially when they're yakking about something I don't need to know while there's an important play going on on the field. With the score and such as a line across the screen, who needs 'em?

1120 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:12pm

re: #1094 JHW

No but I will d/l them and read them on the morrow, thanks kindly. There's a lot of discussion on the milblogs that focus on what the Russians did wrong in Afghanistan, so I"m not surprised at that.

I don't know if you read Abu M. or not, but there's a goodly collection of worthwhile books in his sidebar. Afghanistanica used to keep a list as well that was specific to Afghanistan, but I haven't been there since he quit posting, dunno if it's still up.

/still think the Silk Road route threat ought to be used as leverage against Putin btw.

1121 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:36pm

re: #1115 gmsc

Obama returns home for first time as president

That's funny. If I had as many people criticizing me as 0bama does on this spendulus bill, the last place I'd want to be is in Chicago on Valentine's Day.

The helicopters have been flying over my apartment all night. I hate it when he comes home. He has Monday off too I bet.

1122 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:49pm

Hey in the State of Illinois you can now get Obama License plates, good for 60 days for $50.00.


WHOOPEE!


///////////////////////////SARCASAM ALERT//////////////////////////////////////

1123 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:53pm

re: #1115 gmsc

Obama returns home for first time as president

That's funny. If I had as many people criticizing me as 0bama does on this spendulus bill, the last place I'd want to be is in Chicago on Valentine's Day.

What is he doing in Kenya? I thought he had to be here to sign that bill.

1124 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:01:58pm

RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!

RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!

1125 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:03:19pm

re: #1109 Afrocity

Give Sean a chance

Let's take the daily "Lib-er-al Translation" segment.

/playing video clips of Bonkeys and then adding snarky commentary and music doesn't particularly strike me as adult behavior, more like Junior High, and the "Obama puzzle", what's that about?

1126 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:03:25pm

re: #1019 Jimmah

but are still every bit as random in terms of what bits of dna are affected and how?

I have pointed this out before as well.

"Random" is a mathematical concept that can be proven. Just because you do not understand the relationship between cause and effect in the physical world does not mean that the relationship is random. That is a cop out.

1127 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:04:20pm

re: #1114 Walter L. Newton

Well, he's going to be in Denver on Tuesday. He may even sign the bill here. Wouldn't Obama look good if he would just give me everything that is mine in the stimulus package while he is here? It would save the government on a lot of paperwork and postage.

It worked for Henrietta Hughes...and you have skillz.

1128 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:04:21pm

ok, so I got distracted for a minute and you guys got busy.

Whad I miss?

1129 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:04:22pm

re: #1121 Afrocity

The helicopters have been flying over my apartment all night. I hate it when he comes home. He has Monday off too I bet.

No, he plans to be back in DC on Monday to sign the Friday the 13th spending bill.

1130 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:04:28pm

re: #1097 Noam Sayin'

Alright, newbie. I think you need to learn to use the quote buttons. The way you worked that post implies that I am kept warm by my GOP thong.

I only wear it on special occasions, and almost always in the summer months.

/


oops. I said above that the quote thingy isn't working very good (although I've managed before) and I was hiliting and pasting in and must've gotten your's mixed in with another.

1131 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:04:51pm

re: #1125 Killian Bundy

...But he has nabbed some good interveiws

1132 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:04:53pm

Dang, I Hate Breaking A Nail

1133 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:05:09pm

re: #1118 Walter L. Newton


He is sort of a pre-vatican II type of guy on many church issues.

Well then he would not be a papist then, seeing as the current Pope has made it clear the Church's teachings can not ignore science.

1134 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:06:18pm

re: #1117 x-wing

Is it getting hot in here, or is it just me?

I been searching Macy's website for pink furry thongs (looking very closely) and can't seem to find any.

1135 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:06:28pm

re: #1106 jcw46

Yeppers

1136 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:07:01pm

re: #1092 realwest

Good evening, realwest.

As you're a fellow member of LGF's legal community, I was hoping you'd comment on the link I posted in the spinoffs in which Robert Alt at NRO's Bench Memos is arguing that the offending religious language in the porkulus bill is actually unconstitutional.

I'm not that up on the details of recent First Amendment jurisprudence myself, but given that the Supreme Court has in recent years, to my understanding, re-balanced the free exercise and establishment clauses, it seems a fair argument.

(I know you're thinking, why am I asking you to do some work late on a Friday night... but you're retired aren't you? ;) Anyway, I'll buy you a round on the FNDT.)

1137 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:07:31pm

re: #1121 Afrocity

when clinton would come into New York City we'd get the traffic jam all the way into connecticut. (stamford)

1138 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:07:46pm

re: #1130 jcw46

Hey you have more karma points than I do? What does a girl have to do around here to get some karma points? Don't I get 15 extra for being black or something?/

1139 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:08:35pm

re: #1086 Racer X
Whoa, way cool! Thanks Racer!

1140 Hobbes  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:08:36pm

re: #623 Afrocity

I believe that it gives too much power to swing states and discourages people from voting.

Swing states have too much power? The power, as you put it, given to every state is simply it's number of electors, which is a function of it's population, it equals the number of representatives plus the number of senators. Of course, when Obama gets direct control of the consensus you can be sure he'll tinker with it as much as he can and a couple of billion to ACORN will help. I wonder if he'll count unicorns?

1141 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:08:49pm

re: #1138 Afrocity

Hey you have more karma points than I do? What does a girl have to do around here to get some karma points? Don't I get 15 extra for being black or something?/

Uh, uh, uh...ding!

1142 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:09:06pm

re: #1138 Afrocity

Hey you have more karma points than I do? What does a girl have to do around here to get some karma points? Don't I get 15 extra for being black or something?/

Black and beautiful. Up ding.

1143 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:09:13pm

re: #1138 Afrocity

There. I gave you one of those points. Enjoy.

1144 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:09:48pm

re: #1132 jcm

Dang, I Hate Breaking A Nail

Disgusting

1145 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:09:55pm

re: #1132 jcm

Dang, I Hate Breaking A Nail

The comments are a riot.

1146 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:28pm

Happy Valentine's Day!

1147 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:46pm

Let's toss the talking heads to the third rail, shall we? Their driving motivation is ratings, and eventually they all become whores to it. No matter how much they might make sense, eventually they will all go the way of popular consensus. They don't have forums like this to keep them in check; to keep them honest.

No matter how much they help us understand the issues and spread that message, they will eventually become compromised.

1148 Hobbes  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:47pm

re: #1140 Hobbes

Obviously, I meant census, not consensus. Typing too fast. Sorry.

1149 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:10:59pm

re: #1132 jcm

How did she open the car door to get in?

1150 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:11:30pm

re: #1097 Noam Sayin'
And you never wear it without your helmet, right?!
HEY NOAM! How are you doing my friend?
Say, have y'all seen Sage out here lately?

1151 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:11:37pm

re: #1142 Walter L. Newton

Black and beautiful. Up ding.

Ahhh, affirmative action is a beautiful thing ;-)

1153 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:13:01pm

re: #1149 Mich-again

How did she open the car door to get in?

How does she do anything... form the comments section she appear on Helen(?) a TV talk show.

Youtube Video
1154 Racer X  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:13:20pm

re: #1139 realwest

Whoa, way cool! Thanks Racer!

Thanks RW!
Check these out!

1155 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:13:40pm

re: #1152 Wishing
re: #1153 jcm


GMTA!

1156 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:13:54pm

re: #1084 Charles

And a good friend of Pat Buchanan.

...and Alexandra Pelosi.

1157 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:14:46pm

Morning Lizards

By my calculations, Nancy Pelosi's BROOM must be touching down in italy just about now!

1158 hazzyday  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:15:16pm

Huckabee in the debates on Evolution and God. I couldn't quite tell but I think he said "decent from primates" and it was something he disagreed with. He said he didn't know if the 6 days of creation were 6 days or longer periods of time

1159 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:15:23pm

re: #1138 Afrocity
Post. Post. Post. Post. and say something that inspires folks to agree/disagree. Look at some of the other people's stats. I'm still a slimy little eft compared to some here. (I know, I know an eft isn't a baby lizard but I can't find a term for a baby reptile.)

1160 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:15:24pm

re: #1157 sattv4u2

Morning Lizards

By my calculations, Nancy Pelosi's BROOM must be touching down in italy just about now!

What time did she leave?

1161 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:15:31pm

re: #1134 NJDhockeyfan

I been searching Macy's website for pink furry thongs (looking very closely) and can't seem to find any.

Maybe you need another pair of eyes. I'll help you search ;>}

1162 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:15:58pm

I just finished watching "W" it was not that bad.

1163 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:16:00pm

re: #1160 Walter L. Newton

What time did she leave?

6 pm, supposedly

1164 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:16:36pm

re: #1138 Afrocity

Hey you have more karma points than I do? What does a girl have to do around here to get some karma points? Don't I get 15 extra for being black or something?/

You got about 30 karma points for being a black woman who left the Dems the night you strolled in here, on what I presume are a gorgeous pair of stems.

Sorry, still flirting. It will pass.

1165 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:16:40pm

re: #1133 Mich-again

Well then he would not be a papist then, seeing as the current Pope has made it clear the Church's teachings can not ignore science.

Well, at least he isn't lobbying for Vatican III.

I saw this guy on C-SPAN book TV the other night and I think I commented about him. He sees 9/11 as a criminal act, not an act of war.

1166 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:16:43pm

re: #1163 sattv4u2

6 pm, supposedly

She should be touching down soon.

1167 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:16:50pm

re: #1157 sattv4u2

Morning Lizards

By my calculations, Nancy Pelosi's BROOM must be touching down in italy just about now!

re: #1160 Walter L. Newton

What time did she leave?


I wonder if the Flying Monkeys went with her ?

1168 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:17:15pm

re: #1157 sattv4u2

Morning Lizards

By my calculations, Nancy Pelosi's BROOM must be touching down in italy just about now!

Image: which_witch_is_which_witch.jpg

1169 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:17:31pm

re: #1108 Walter L. Newton
Hell their names didn't even show up in the comments until the fifth one!

1170 jcw46  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:17:37pm

yawn. time to crawl into my nest and sleep.

1171 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:06pm

re: #1161 x-wing

Maybe you need another pair of eyes. I'll help you search ;>}

Fredrick's of Hollywood...:)

1172 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:13pm

re: #1150 realwest

We exchanged emails the other night, but haven't heard his latest reply.

I miss that dude. Tackle him for me when you see him next, will you?

How are you, my friend?

1173 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:27pm

re: #1169 realwest

Hell their names didn't even show up in the comments until the fifth one!

Like I said. The Fox news article never even mentioned their names. Fox is a tool.

1174 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:35pm

JCM: That's wonderful, and makes me happier than the earlier vote did, thanks.

UNCLASSIFIED
STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD

Most Iraqi-led Sunni insurgent groups have largely suspended operations against the Coalition, favoring engagement with the United States to protect their communities, to oppose AQI, or protect against feared domination by the Iraqi Government, although many are hedging by maintaining their organizational structures and access to weapons.

I remember arguing with Fjordman and his fans way back that the war was definitely winnable, and that we were doing great compared to the usual insurgencies. I didn't get too much support on that notion back then, but reality has born my confidence out. A typical insurgency takes 8-11 years to fully put down, so we can even call record time with six years.

1175 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:50pm

re: #1171 Dustyvet

Fredrick's of Hollywood...:)

Did you go shopping?

1176 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:18:54pm

Straight Couples in France Are Choosing Civil Unions Meant for Gaysre: #1161 x-wing

Maybe you need another pair of eyes. I'll help you search ;>}

Good idea. It may take all night to find that rascal.

1177 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:19:25pm

re: #1170 jcw46

Nite friend.

1178 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:19:45pm

Someone has been emailing Michael Steel, I missed which lizard it was.
Have you asked him about getting this whole evolution/ID nonsense OUT of the GOP?

1179 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:19:50pm

re: #1149 Mich-again

How did she open the car door to get in?


Better yet, how did she wipe her ahem?

Seriously, how did she do anything?

1180 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:20:01pm

re: #1176 NJDhockeyfan

PIMF

1181 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:20:30pm

re: #1179 x-wing

Better yet, how did she wipe her ahem?

Seriously, how did she do anything?

Watch the vids posted above. Graphic, I tell ya!

1182 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:20:31pm

Straight Couples in France Are Choosing Civil Unions Meant for Gays

1183 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:20:36pm

re: #1175 Walter L. Newton

Did you go shopping?

Nope was thinking of something my brother pulled on my sister-in law once. Let's say she was less then amused over it.

1184 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:20:42pm

What was that Obama said about computerizing all health care records?

NHS computerised records scheme 'caused heartache', says hospital boss

Andrew Way, the chief executive of the hospital, said problems with the e-records scheme had cost his trust £10 million and meant fewer patients could be seen.
The hospital had to employ an additional 40 administrative staff just to handle the extra workload, he added.

Maybe that's where all those "new" jobs will be.

1185 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:05pm

re: #1116 Cheechako
Well I didn't say

And had the bill gone down in flames the Democrats would have been forced to include the Republicans in any compromise. The minority party can always exert control over the majority on a budget bill in the Senate if the "majority party" does not have the 60 votes need to pass a budget bill.

Go back to the days when the Republicans had 50 or more votes in the Senate but not the 60 necessary to pass a budget bill. The Democrats controlled the agenda as they had to be included in any compromise to get anything passed.

which is how your comment made it appear, but I do agree with it.

1186 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:25pm

re: #1183 Dustyvet

Nope was thinking of something my brother pulled on my sister-in law once. Let's say she was less then amused over it.

I don't have a girlfriend this Valentines Day. I may have to shoot for the pity sex option.

1187 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:53pm

re: #1117 x-wing
It ain't just you!

1188 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:21:57pm

Well, goodnight everyone. I know I said I was leaving a while back, but it's hard to leave such a great party. Party on.

1189 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:22:05pm

re: #1174 Thanos

JCM: That's wonderful, and makes me happier than the earlier vote did, thanks.

I remember arguing with Fjordman and his fans way back that the war was definitely winnable, and that we were doing great compared to the usual insurgencies. I didn't get too much support on that notion back then, but reality has born my confidence out. A typical insurgency takes 8-11 years to fully put down, so we can even call record time with six years.

I said from the beginning, winning or losing was up to us. We could win, or chose to lose. We couldn't be beaten.

1190 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:22:17pm

re: #1186 Walter L. Newton

I don't have a girlfriend this Valentines Day. I may have to shoot for the pity sex option.

otays...

1191 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:22:29pm

re: #1173 Walter L. Newton

Like I said. The Fox news article never even mentioned their names. Fox is a tool.

Walter, right now FOX is all I have. When I defected from the DNC I could not stand CNN, MSNBC, NBC, especially ABC
Fox was great and I learned that their news reporting is more professional and accurate. I also like the image that women have on the show. You can be attractive and intelligent. Greta is great and so is Neil Kuvuto.

1192 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:23:30pm

re: #1188 katemaclaren

Happy Valentines Day

1193 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:23:48pm

re: #1191 Afrocity

Walter, right now FOX is all I have. When I defected from the DNC I could not stand CNN, MSNBC, NBC, especially ABC
Fox was great and I learned that their news reporting is more professional and accurate. I also like the image that women have on the show. You can be attractive and intelligent. Greta is great and so is Neil Kuvuto.

Greta does what pays. I remember her from CNN.

1194 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:24:12pm

Goat Renter Guy....

Youtube Video
1195 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:24:40pm

re: #1119 jcw46
Updinged on that one, I did. Cripes, if you know and understand football (or baseball or basketball) y'all really don't need announcers - I mean they are superflous to the nth degree (although it's nice to hear the game when you go into the kitchen for beer, or the bathroom to make room for more beer!).

1196 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:25:03pm

re: #1194 jcm

Goat Renter Guy....

A regular Pimp Daddy

1197 Throbert McGee  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:25:11pm

re: #1080 Afrocity

I love Sean Hannity. [...] He is cute, brilliant, charitable, aggressive, I could go on.

I'll grant you the "cute" part. If he would do his show in boxers, I'd watch.

(But where's that Mute button?)

1198 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:25:24pm

re: #1178 Wishing

Someone has been emailing Michael Steel

Um, that's Boehner's spokesman.

/did you mean Michael Steele, Chairman of the GOP?

1199 pink freud  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:25:38pm

re: #1193 Wishing

Greta does what pays. I remember her from CNN.

She's also a scientologist.

1200 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:25:46pm

re: #1171 Dustyvet

Fredrick's of Hollywood...:)

There's an idea. I know, er..um.. heard that Victorias Secret doesn't carry them..

/yeah..yeah..that's the ticket ;>}

1201 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:26:21pm

Charles,
Sorry, but maybe you can answer this question which is decidedly off topic, but relevant to my comings and goings here. Whenever I hit "refresh" or sometimes just when I go up to look at another thread--I get knocked offline (Safari). I have Firefox, but don't use it often because, well, I got used to Safari. It only happens with LGF, not anything else I do online. It has happened about 6-7 times tonight. Any ideas why this might happen?

1202 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:26:45pm
1203 katemaclaren  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:27:01pm

re: #1192 Afrocity

Happy Valentines Day

Well, how very nice of you! Back at you!

1204 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:27:07pm

re: #1122 Dustyvet
Yep and those license plates were all made by former govenors of the Great State of Illinois, too!

1205 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:27:59pm

re: #1198 Killian Bundy

Um, that's Boehner's spokesman.

/did you mean Michael Steele, Chairman of the GOP?

Sorry, yes Michael Steele. One of the lizards is emailing him and getting replies. Was just curious if they had touched on the topic of ID or *Christians* being so darn powerful in the Party.
I think it should not even be an issue at ALL in any party politics.

1206 astronmr20  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:27:59pm

re: #803 mrshankly01

thanks...keep those still over there in your thoughts, they are doing a kick butt job

YOU are why this country is great.

1207 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:28:03pm

re: #1204 realwest

Yep and those license plates were all made by former govenors of the Great State of Illinois, too!

so much for that punch line...:)

1208 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:29:56pm

re: #1191 Afrocity

There wasn't a better "reporter" (in the old sense of the word) than Brett Hume.

1209 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:30:22pm

Time for some sleeps, g'nite all

Old but strangely relevant again:

She wants my stimulus package

Youtube Video
1210 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:31:00pm

We have much work to do if we are going to win a few seats back in 2010. We must get the party focused on truly conservative values, fiscal sanity, and get religion OFF the table.
Locally, we MUST work really hard to get some kind of voter ID legislation passed so *a vote actually counts...ONCE!*

1211 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:31:24pm

Guys, I bought those thongs at Macy's on State street in Chicago ages ago, like during the GOP convention, I sort of think you cant buy them anymore since they say 2008 on the front...course my butt does not care.

1212 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:31:25pm

re: #1181 Wishing

Watch the vids posted above. Graphic, I tell ya!

Jeez, I 'm speechless.

1213 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:31:34pm

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Microsoft to open stores

If imitation is flattery, Microsoft once again will flatter Apple, this time by launching its own retail stores.
The Redmond, Wash.-based software giant said it has hired 25-year Wal-Mart veteran David Porter as its new vice president of retail stores. Porter, who most recently headed up worldwide distribution for DreamWorks Animation, will oversee Microsoft's retail store strategy. The stores will be designed to help the company "create deeper engagement with consumers and continue to learn firsthand about what they want and how they buy," it said in a statement.
1214 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:31:59pm

re: #1208 sattv4u2

There wasn't a better "reporter" (in the old sense of the word) than Brett Hume.

Britt Hume was great.

1215 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:32:09pm

re: #1202 Pollster

I've been unable to come to this site for a while (and in the past was more often a reader then a contributor) but I am astonished at what I see here now: Darwin, evolution and still more Darwin round the clock, and apparently we are not supposed to like Governor Palin, Governor Jindal, or possibly even the spectacularly brilliant Victor Davis Hanson? VDH has to be given "the benefit of the doubt"? Good grief! Whatever happened to Little Green Footballs, where conservatives (mainly) of good will (mostly) came to discuss our common interests in Israel's welfare, the defeat of Islamic radicals and our hopes for stopping the advance of liberalism in America. I'm sad to see how the focus has changed, and how many of those on OUR SIDE are being ridiculed here. I'm curious. Who are we supposed to like now?

I've sh!tcanned the label of Conservative. Public Opinion no longer defines it they way I would like to be defined. I prefer Classical Liberal.

OUR SIDE? Can you define that for me?

1216 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:32:22pm

re: #1213 jcm

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Microsoft to open stores

They must have been *stimulated* to do this?

1217 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:33:01pm

re: #1210 Wishing

...So I live in Chicago. What can I do that won't get me or my pets killed?

1218 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:33:27pm

re: #1217 Afrocity

...So I live in Chicago. What can I do that won't get me or my pets killed?

MOVE TO KANE COUNTY!

1219 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:33:33pm

re: #1198 Killian Bundy

Boehner

And he was awesome today. Contrast and compare.

Youtube Video
Youtube Video

/humongous line in the sand drawn today

1220 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:33:53pm

re: #1217 Afrocity

...So I live in Chicago. What can I do that won't get me or my pets killed?

Move to Lake County...:)

1221 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:34:33pm

re: #1217 Afrocity

...So I live in Chicago. What can I do that won't get me or my pets killed?

Call your local Republican party headquarters, get involved locally first.
It being Chicago, it being Illinois, you MAY consider moving.
But we must start at the local level.

1222 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:34:35pm

re: #1132 jcm Damn, jcm, it's worse on TV Your text to link...

1223 Hobbes  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:01pm

re: #788 Afrocity

re: #848 Afrocity

Well Hoosier expect your state to be blue from now on. My uncle who works at the post office says Tens of THOUSANDS of Chicago residents are registering in Indiana and he has seen the change of address cards to prove it.

Registering, hell. They are moving to escape Cook County taxes.

1224 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:09pm

Yes Boehner was great today.
We still lost.
God Bless..God HELP America.

1225 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:34pm

...So the general consensus is that I should move. So give up on getting Mayor Daley out of Chicago?

1226 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:34pm

re: #1186 Walter L. Newton

I don't have a girlfriend this Valentines Day. I may have to shoot for the pity sex option.

Tell me how you do that. Everytime I tried I got a pat on the head and was told I was funny.

/maybe they did pity me, they just couldn't get past my looks ;>}

1227 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:46pm

re: #1222 realwest

Damn, jcm, it's worse on TV Your text to link...

LOL!

How does she.... never mind not going there...

1228 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:36:52pm

re: #1217 Afrocity

...So I live in Chicago. What can I do that won't get me or my pets killed?

Move to Virginia. ;)

1229 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:37:35pm

The Great Seal of the Democratic Party


Image: democratic_crybaby_seal.jpg

1230 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:37:59pm

re: #1225 Afrocity

...So the general consensus is that I should move. So give up on getting Mayor Daley out of Chicago?

Actually, if you plan on getting into politics, and I think you do, you could make quite a name for yourself there.
Choose your battles carefully.
Pulling a Palin in Illinois could get you and your pets...well...you know.

1231 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:38:01pm

re: #1228 NJDhockeyfan

Move to Virginia. ;)

Actually I may move to Virginia, funny you should mention.

1232 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:38:28pm

re: #1211 Afrocity

Guys, I bought those thongs at Macy's on State street in Chicago ages ago, like during the GOP convention, I sort of think you cant buy them anymore since they say 2008 on the front...course my butt does not care.

I've got their web-site up and I'll be damned if I'm going to stop looking for them ;>}

/persistance.

1233 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:01pm

re: #1232 x-wing

I've got their web-site up and I'll be damned if I'm going to stop looking for them ;>}

/persistance.

Try CafePress.

1234 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:06pm

re: #1231 Afrocity

Actually I may move to Virginia, funny you should mention.

Well Lake County's not that great anyhow...:)

1235 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:29pm

re: #1224 Wishing

Yes Boehner was great today.
We still lost.

/but we went down in good order, except for the three Quislings

1236 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:39:34pm

re: #1157 sattv4u2

And we pay for it.

If she really does have a meeting with the Pope - I hope he takes her knees off. With compassion.
/

1237 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:40:13pm

re: #1232 x-wing

I've got their web-site up and I'll be damned if I'm going to stop looking for them ;>}

/persistance.

Here ya go

1238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:40:16pm

re: #1225 Afrocity

...So the general consensus is that I should move. So give up on getting Mayor Daley out of Chicago?

a consensus is general (sorry, pet peeve)

give-up on Daley, worry about the State House, get Concealed Carry passed. That alone will give Daley heartburn.

1239 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:40:24pm

re: #1224 Wishing

Yes Boehner was great today.
We still lost.
God Bless..God HELP America.


Lost the battle, the war is still going. If this Spending Bill somehow manages to turn the country around, the Republicans will look very bad for being against it. Of course, I think it will not succeed and it will BELONG to the Dems - lock, stock and barrel. Obama has staked a lot on this monstrosity and so has the Democrat leadership in Congress. If this fails and turns out to be what we all know it is already....the Democrats will take it in the shorts in the mid-term election and the One will be on his way to being a one term President, just like his Evil Twin Jimmah. There is silver lining in every dark cloud

1240 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:40:53pm

re: #1236 Bobibutu

And we pay for it.

If she really does have a meeting with the Pope - I hope he takes her knees off. With compassion.
/

I hope he sends her on a run around the 7 hills of Rome...

1241 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:41:23pm

Has it come to pity sex and thongs?

I have not have a Boyfriend in 7 months. Maybe we should all get a sex bailout.

1242 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:41:31pm

re: #1219 Killian Bundy

Too bad the Republicans (as a whole) didn't show this kind of backbone when the first stimulus bill got rammed through last year, paving the way, in part, for Dear Leader's ascension (that and McCain's wishy-washy campaign)...

1243 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:42:14pm

re: #1233 Wishing

Try CafePress.

Dillion Precision.

1244 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:42:19pm

re: #1242 talon_262

Too bad the Republicans (as a whole) didn't show this kind of backbone when the first stimulus bill got rammed through last year, paving the way, in part, for Dear Leader's ascension (that and McCain's wishy-washy campaign)...

Do you mean the October surprise one?

1245 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:43:06pm

re: #1241 Afrocity

Has it come to pity sex and thongs?

It's the FNDT, it's bound to go strange places.......

1246 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:43:11pm

Restaurant prepared food in squalid kitc

A judge has strongly condemned the bosses of an Indian restaurant after being told how food was prepared in squalid and rat-infested conditions, despite repeated warnings from environmental health officers.

Judge David Goodin branded the conditions at the Royal Bengal restaurant, in High Street, Lowestoft, as "stomach-churning" and "terrifying" as he passed sentence on two brothers for multiple food hygiene offences.

Yesterday's hearing at Ipswich Crown Court was told the restaurant had now closed down after business fell away following earlier media reports about the offences.

Environmental health officers from Waveney District Council launched an investigation in January 2008 and found filthy conditions throughout the kitchen areas, evidence of rat-infestations and poor standards of hygiene from staff.

On one occasion, investigators saw a chef handle raw chicken and then touch cooked food without washing his hands, while on another visit officials saw a dirty cloth being used to wipe grease from a naan bread.

Co-owner Syed Mohammed Ali, 34, was yesterday banned from managing restaurants or takeaways and given a 33-week prison sentence, suspended for two years, after pleading guilty to 14 food hygiene offences at an earlier hearing. He was also ordered to pay £2,900 costs, carry out 240 hours of unpaid work in the community and fined £100 for a licensing offence.

His brother Syed Shanur Ali, 41, who performed cooking and managerial duties, admitted 10 food hygiene offences and was ordered to carry out 200 hours of unpaid work.

The judge said: "To describe hygiene conditions at the Royal Bengal, under your management, as ghastly would be to misstate and misunderstand the situation. It is stomach-churning and terrifying…"

Yikes!

1247 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:43:16pm

re: #1136 Dar ul Harb
Sigh. Hi Dar! Well I very briefly scanned the article, cause it are late and I've taken my med about half an hour ago and should sleep now, but I have to say I agree with the article, but also think it's irrelevent. It IS gonna be tested in Court, some doofus judge(s) will rule it unconsitutional and then SCOTUS will rule it as being unconsitutional
I think. One never knows what SCOTUS will do!

BTW - in case it hasn't been posted, Justice Ginsburg's surgery went well, there had been no spread of the cancer and she left the hospital today.
I am happy to hear that news. Now if she'd only step down due to her weakened condition, then Obama can appoint Bill Ayers or his ever so charming wife, Bernadine Dohrn to fill the vacancy!

1248 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:43:34pm

re: #1243 jcm

Dillion Precision.

Did you know that you have to pay MORE to have the camo look on guns? I personally think it looks cheesy, but Kimber has a few and they cost like 100.00 more!

1249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:44:05pm

re: #1215 ggt

I've sh!tcanned the label of Conservative. Public Opinion no longer defines it they way I would like to be defined. I prefer Classical Liberal.

OUR SIDE? Can you define that for me?

Pollster, you stilll there? I'd really like to know how you define "us".

1250 little boomer  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:44:09pm

Nancy Pelosi is going to see the Pope. Excellent. When does the exorcism begin?

1251 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:44:14pm

re: #1244 Wishing

Do you mean the October surprise one?

Yup...

1252 astronmr20  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:03pm

Just a thought...

So this "stimulus" package is about saving our economy and safeguarding our checkbooks, right?

Then why would it not have a provision in it for drilling? Now I'm all for renewable energy, and I think the government should support it. However, can you imagine what would happen to this country and it's economy if there was a flare-up in the Middle East?

We would be on our knees. Lying on the floor. If you think this recession is bad, get ready for mass strife all over the world with regard to energy if anything twitchy happens with regard to Iran/ israel/ Syria, Saudi, etc etc. Which all seem like very likely scenarios with O in power.

This bill should have "drill now" written all over it. Firstly, it would bring an immediate drop and enormous impact on oil and oil futures, making an almost instant change in people's "take home" pay from fuel prices, and would cushion us greatly in case of any shenanigans in the M.E.

Obama is making his own rope.

1253 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:12pm

re: #1248 Wishing

Did you know that you have to pay MORE to have the camo look on guns? I personally think it looks cheesy, but Kimber has a few and they cost like 100.00 more!

Huh? Gun? what you talking about?
///

1254 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:21pm

re: #1251 talon_262

Yup...

Yep, McCain was there leading the jello parade.

1255 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:31pm

re: #1247 realwest

RW - you sense of humor is warped.

1256 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:39pm

re: #1253 jcm

Huh? Gun? what you talking about?
///

LOLOL

1257 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:43pm

re: #1250 little boomer

Nancy Pelosi is going to see the Pope. Excellent. When does the exorcism begin?

Think she'll want his job?

1258 astronmr20  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:45:45pm

re: #1239 Desert Dog

Lost the battle, the war is still going. If this Spending Bill somehow manages to turn the country around, the Republicans will look very bad for being against it. Of course, I think it will not succeed and it will BELONG to the Dems - lock, stock and barrel. Obama has staked a lot on this monstrosity and so has the Democrat leadership in Congress. If this fails and turns out to be what we all know it is already....the Democrats will take it in the shorts in the mid-term election and the One will be on his way to being a one term President, just like his Evil Twin Jimmah. There is silver lining in every dark cloud

It won't turn the country around-- the country will turn around on it's own and that's what O is banking on.

1259 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:46:07pm

re: #1250 little boomer

Nancy Pelosi is going to see the Pope. Excellent. When does the exorcism begin?

Right after her head spins, and she harfs up the pea soup...:)

1260 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:47:03pm

re: #1256 Wishing

LOLOL

Not a big can of camo either. Any painted parts just wear the paint down.

1261 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:47:33pm

re: #1172 Noam Sayin'
Yeah, same with me - still waiting a reply e-mail!
And I will tackle him and give him *noogies* from both of us - IF he ever shows up!
As for me, I'm exhausted but otherwise ok, thanks!

1262 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:47:42pm

re: #1257 ggt

Think she'll want his job?

She probably thinks she already has it.

1263 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:47:46pm

re: #1258 astronmr20

It won't turn the country around-- the country will turn around on it's own and that's what O is banking on.

He doesn't want it turned around, he wants a hard left turn.

1264 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:48:06pm

Afrocity You still here?

1265 Kragar  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:48:34pm

re: #1250 little boomer

Nancy Pelosi is going to see the Pope. Excellent. When does the exorcism begin?

I'd say excommunication would be in order.

1266 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:48:35pm

re: #1258 astronmr20

It won't turn the country around-- the country will turn around on it's own and that's what O is banking on.

It, of course, won't stop Dear Leader from claiming credit for the eventual turnaround and trying to parlay it into a second term and tighter grip on Congress for the Dems,

1267 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:49:45pm

re: #1233 Wishing

Try CafePress.

I've been to CafePress before and they leave alot more to the imagination than is Macys site ;>}

/I'm x-wing, and I have a problem ;>}

1268 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:49:47pm

re: #1266 talon_262

It, of course, won't stop Dear Leader from claiming credit for the eventual turnaround and trying to parlay it into a second term and tighter grip on Congress for the Dems,

Just wait til Rahm get to play with the numbers, ho boy, we will really be up to our ears in trouble.

1269 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:12pm

re: #1267 x-wing

I've been to CafePress before and they leave alot more to the imagination than is Macys site ;>}

/I'm x-wing, and I have a problem ;>}

Did you get the link I posted for you?

1270 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:20pm

re: #1267 x-wing

I've been to CafePress before and they leave alot more to the imagination than is Macys site ;>}

/I'm x-wing, and I have a problem ;>}

GUARDS!

1271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:43pm

re: #1262 gmsc

She probably thinks she already has it.

I think she want's her own NancyPelosimobile and all the riches of the Vatican. Just think, she could walk out on a little balcony and have thousands of people waiting to worship her.

1272 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:45pm

re: #1178 Wishing
I was the one who's been e-mailing Steele and I didn't mention this creationist ID stuff to him; he only wants to win congressional seats in 2010 right now and he's pretty focused on that. Since I don't see any sorta major squabble about it in the GOP except out here, I figured it'd take too long to explain it to him.

1273 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:50:53pm

David Horsey gets one right.

1274 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:51:03pm

re: #1271 ggt

I think she want's her own NancyPelosimobile and all the riches of the Vatican. Just think, she could walk out on a little balcony and have thousands of people waiting to worship her.

That made me nauseated.

1275 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:51:40pm

re: #1238 ggt


This is hilarious because we were just discussing this in my dissertation group that included two post docs in literature. A consensus does not have to be general. The claim that it is a redundancy is sort of a myth and bugs the hell out of my friend who teaches English. She calls it overactive grammar policing. Another one that bugs her is effect and affect. Meaning that there are many things being called "no No's " in grammar that are not really no-no's they are just "whatever suits you".

1276 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:51:41pm

re: #1274 Wishing

That made me nauseated.

sorry.

1277 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:52:56pm

re: #1239 Desert Dog

Lost the battle, the war is still going. If this Spending Bill somehow manages to turn the country around, the Republicans will look very bad for being against it. Of course, I think it will not succeed and it will BELONG to the Dems - lock, stock and barrel. Obama has staked a lot on this monstrosity and so has the Democrat leadership in Congress. If this fails and turns out to be what we all know it is already....the Democrats will take it in the shorts in the mid-term election and the One will be on his way to being a one term President, just like his Evil Twin Jimmah. There is silver lining in every dark cloud

The political problem is that the economy's going to recover despite Porkapalooza, it's already starting.

/Remember This Catchphrase: "Maybe Too Little, Always Too Late"

1278 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:14pm

re: #1237 Wishing

Here ya go

O.K. now we just need a volunteer to model them for us ;>}

//

1279 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:15pm

re: #1272 realwest

I was the one who's been e-mailing Steele and I didn't mention this creationist ID stuff to him; he only wants to win congressional seats in 2010 right now and he's pretty focused on that. Since I don't see any sorta major squabble about it in the GOP except out here, I figured it'd take too long to explain it to him.

The whole ID thing is tough to explain without first defining a bunch of terms and you'd lose everyone right there.

I mean, I'm a creationist but I'm not a creationist. Heck, I think you could take all the ID threads, edit using the best comments and have a book, that might do it.

1280 gmsc  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:53:22pm

re: #1271 ggt

I think she want's her own NancyPelosimobile and all the riches of the Vatican. Just think, she could walk out on a little balcony and have thousands of people waiting to worship her.

Considering we're talking about Pelosi, did you just misspell baloney?
;)

1281 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:54:24pm

re: #1202 Pollster
Hmmmm

Registered since: Jun 18, 2004 at 9:26 pm
(Logged in)

No. of comments posted: 8
No. of links posted: 0

8 comments in five years, geez you guys are GOOD sleepers. As for me I act like who I am when I'm out here, same as always.

1282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:54:27pm

re: #1275 Afrocity

This is hilarious because we were just discussing this in my dissertation group that included two post docs in literature. A consensus does not have to be general. The claim that it is a redundancy is sort of a myth and bugs the hell out of my friend who teaches English. She calls it overactive grammar policing. Another one that bugs her is effect and affect. Meaning that there are many things being called "no No's " in grammar that are not really no-no's they are just "whatever suits you".

I know, I'm old school on it. I had a nun drum it into my head.

I have a hard time with affect and effect too!

My mom and her sisters are all teachers --mostly English teachers. They have all kinds of peeves. My Mom's are "intensive purposes" (intents and purposes) and the correct pronounciation of "fi-nance" and "realty". According to her, its "fi (short i) nance" and "real-ty" not "real-a-ty"

LOL

1283 Cheechako  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:54:45pm

re: #1242 talon_262

Too bad the Republicans (as a whole) didn't show this kind of backbone when the first stimulus bill got rammed through last year, paving the way, in part, for Dear Leader's ascension (that and McCain's wishy-washy campaign)...


This is where McCain blew the election. He knew the TARP bill was going to pass. He knew the country as a whole was totally against it but he still voted for it. He could have voted no and give the country a choice with Obama voting for it. He could have said the addition of $150 billion of pork projects added to the original bill was just additional wastefull government spending that he could not support. This would have firmed up his credentials as maverick anti-pork candidate.

1284 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:55:09pm

re: #1275 Afrocity

This is hilarious because we were just discussing this in my dissertation group that included two post docs in literature. A consensus does not have to be general. The claim that it is a redundancy is sort of a myth and bugs the hell out of my friend who teaches English. She calls it overactive grammar policing. Another one that bugs her is effect and affect. Meaning that there are many things being called "no No's " in grammar that are not really no-no's they are just "whatever suits you".

Afrocity, I would like to discuss this political possibility a bit more. When you get a chance, shoot me an email. (My nick is blue)

1285 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:55:45pm

re: #1280 gmsc

Considering we're talking about Pelosi, did you just misspell baloney?
;)

The face that launched a thousand trips to the toilet.

1286 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:09pm

re: #1276 ggt

sorry.

Forgiven. =)

1287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:22pm

re: #1281 realwest

Hmmmm

8 comments in five years, geez you guys are GOOD sleepers. As for me I act like who I am when I'm out here, same as always.

Yeah, I thought so.

good catch RW! and BTW, how you doin'?

1288 Desert Dog  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:22pm

re: #1277 Killian Bundy

The political problem is that the economy's going to recover despite Porkapalooza, it's already starting.

/Remember This Catchphrase: "Maybe Too Little, Always Too Late"

This bill, soon be law, will impede growth and slow the economy. Things will not always be going down.....we just lived through almost 30 years of it going up and up....and, when it does start recovering, I am certain Obama will be there to take the credit, when, as you mentioned, the recovery will come in spite of the Dems best attempts to keep it down.

1289 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:33pm

re: #1248 Wishing

Did you know that you have to pay MORE to have the camo look on guns? I personally think it looks cheesy, but Kimber has a few and they cost like 100.00 more!


There was a gun in that picture?

/going back for a third look ;>}

1290 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:56:45pm

re: #1250 little boomer

Nancy Pelosi is going to see the Pope. Excellent. When does the exorcism begin?

Maybe Bobby Jindahl can be useful after all.

1291 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:25pm

re: #1289 x-wing

There was a gun in that picture?

/going back for a third look ;>}


Hmm, maybe I missed something.

1292 Afrocity  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:35pm

re: #1282 ggt

LOL I only hate double negatives and the overuse of "like"

1293 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:57:36pm

re: #1290 MrPaulRevere

Maybe Bobby Jindahl can be useful after all.

ahahahahahahahahahaha and ROTFLMAO!

1294 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:58:01pm

re: #1290 MrPaulRevere

Maybe Bobby Jindahl can be useful after all.

Updinged.

1295 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:58:44pm

re: #1292 Afrocity

LOL I only hate double negatives and the overuse of "like"

I still have a hard time ending sentences with a preoposition. I just sounds wrong.

Then again, since my cousins and I were corrected from the time we started talking, we have a lot of issues.

1296 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:59:11pm

re: #1289 x-wing

There was a gun in that picture?

/going back for a third look ;>}

They tell me there's a gun in this picture too.

1297 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 10:59:58pm

re: #1296 jcm

They tell me there's a gun in this picture too.

danged if I can find it...:)

1298 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:01:16pm

re: #1289 x-wing

There was a gun in that picture?

/going back for a third look ;>}

and a 4th, and a 5th, and a 6th...:)

1299 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:01:52pm

re: #1296 jcm

They tell me there's a gun in this picture too.

*drool*

1300 realwest  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:03:34pm

re: #1287 ggt Hey ggt! Hope you're doing well, I am doing ok but I've gotta get to bed NOW! Waaay past time for my meds.
Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

AND frankly, I thought my #1204 deserved more than one ding, too!
Good night, all.

1301 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:04:16pm

re: #1292 Afrocity

LOL I only hate double negatives and the overuse of "like"

Or "you know". That one gets' me worked up.

/You hear me Carolyn Kennedy

1302 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:04:19pm

re: #1296 jcm

OK, that wasn't NEARLY as bad, as some of y'all links I've clicked on!
(When will I learn?)

1303 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:04:26pm

re: #1297 Dustyvet

re: #1299 talon_262


Be a great propaganda picture.

Hey! Jihadi! We send our women to kill you!

1304 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:04:59pm

re: #1300 realwest

Nite Dude - see ya on the flip side.

1305 x-wing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:05:19pm

re: #1298 Dustyvet

and a 4th, and a 5th, and a 6th...:)

And now...WALLPAPER.

1306 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:05:41pm

Does this look photoshopped?

1307 astronmr20  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:06:01pm

re: #1303 jcm

re: #1299 talon_262

Be a great propaganda picture.

Hey! Jihadi! We send our women to kill you!

Ha.

Still, though, she looks like she's about 14. No disrespect.

1308 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:06:11pm

OT's here ----->

1309 astronmr20  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:06:27pm

re: #1306 ggt

Does this look photoshopped?

Not at all.

1310 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:07:05pm

re: #1300 realwest

Hey ggt! Hope you're doing well, I am doing ok but I've gotta get to bed NOW! Waaay past time for my meds.
Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

AND frankly, I thought my #1204 deserved more than one ding, too!
Good night, all.

I did my part!

night RW! weet dreams.

1311 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:07:12pm

re: #1306 ggt

Does this look photoshopped?

Nope. Watch the pattern develop in the wing tip vortices.

Youtube Video
1312 astronmr20  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:07:13pm

re: #1306 ggt

Does this look photoshopped?

Actually, the second plane in the foreground looks a bit suspicious.. but otherwise it's normal.

1313 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:08:09pm

re: #1311 jcm

re: #1312 astronmr20

thanks!

New thread and my cue to get some sleep.

weet dreams all!

1314 Wishing  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:08:36pm

re: #1306 ggt

Does this look photoshopped?

Nah.

1315 Capitalistincharge  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:08:36pm

Just got in from dinner out with Liberal, Obama supporting friends. They are PISSED about the stimulus. I just could not believe my ears. They vowed they would NOT vote Wisconsin DEMOCRATs back in, in 2010. Too bad the American Citizenry weren't allowed enough time to organize and defeat this. I wonder if it is possible for all citizens to refuse to pay taxes and effect a CHANGE regarding this whole mess.

1316 astronmr20  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:09:53pm

re: #1315 Capitalistincharge

Just got in from dinner out with Liberal, Obama supporting friends. They are PISSED about the stimulus. I just could not believe my ears. They vowed they would NOT vote Wisconsin DEMOCRATs back in, in 2010. Too bad the American Citizenry weren't allowed enough time to organize and defeat this. I wonder if it is possible for all citizens to refuse to pay taxes and effect a CHANGE regarding this whole mess.

Awesome!

Re-post in the overnight thread- spread the word.

1317 jcm  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:12:19pm

re: #1315 Capitalistincharge

Just got in from dinner out with Liberal, Obama supporting friends. They are PISSED about the stimulus. I just could not believe my ears. They vowed they would NOT vote Wisconsin DEMOCRATs back in, in 2010. Too bad the American Citizenry weren't allowed enough time to organize and defeat this. I wonder if it is possible for all citizens to refuse to pay taxes and effect a CHANGE regarding this whole mess.

Maybe Obama will bring Hope & Change.....
Only not in the way he thought.

1318 wiffersnapper  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:12:40pm

Christians that give Christians a bad name. They're hard to find, but when they're found, expect the MSM to shine the biggest spotlight on them. Le sigh.

1319 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:16:52pm

re: #242 jwb7605

What do you think of Carly Fiorina?
I understand she intends to run for governor of California.

Everybody intends to run for governor of California.

1320 zeebeach  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:06pm

I'm certainly fine with Christians, but Huckabee makes me ill. Our Founding Fathers were very wise, but this tool doesn't get it.

1321 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:20:28pm

re: #1202 Pollster

I would guess (although I could be wrong) that Charles's apparent distaste for social conservatives have altered much of the direction of his articles. (Sadly, many social conservatives have deserved to be excluded. And happily, this blog has been excellent in severing ties to any fascist orgs.)
Sometimes I bristle when I see certain aspects of social conservatism being mocked and feel that we're fracturing ourselves in an effort to maintain what is seen as a pure set of ideals. However, I respect others opinions here and try and see their merit. I focus on our commonalities rather than our differences and learn some things on the way.
Question: does the label "creationist" as it is used on this board pertain to all those who believe God is behind the creation of the earth, or is this label only for those who wish to have this and other ID beliefs taught in schools?
Is it okay to be to be a "creationist" if one believes in keeping those beliefs strictly private? Shouldn't that label be qualified in a certain way? In other words, you could teach any dumb thing you wanted as long as you didn't compel anyone else to accept it.

1322 zeebeach  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:39:35pm

Well, I wonder if I'm a "social conservative", since I really don't have a problem with I.D. being presented in schools (having faith in the intelligence of our young citizens). My belief regarding the origin of species is still incomplete. My mind is still open, to some extent. I do understand the horror some persons feel when it appears that "creationism" (or whatever you call it) is being advocated. I wouldn't worry about that, but I perfectly understand Charles' horror at the imposition of religion upon state. Separation of church and state is so fundamental to our democracy and way of life that it's worth defending vigorously.

1323 tackle  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:44:50pm

re: #1322 zeebeach
Well, I'd disagree with the ID, with the caveat being that if you want to home school or you go to a religious private school, then teach ID if you want. It doesn't make it correct, just someone's view as an alternative avenue of investigation, however flawed it might be.

1324 pollster  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:48:42pm

re: #1249 ggt

re: #1249 ggt

Pollster, you stilll there? I'd really like to know how you define "us".

Nah. I have no desire to argue the definition of "classical liberal" versus "conservative," and parry words and labels all night. What I wrote earlier stands: "Us," in my post, refers to LGF readers/writers who in times past appeared to me to share an interest in Israel's well being, stopping those whose religion threatens our lives and our freedom, and halting the spread of rabid (modern)liberalism/socialism in the USA. I may not agree with every position held by Huckabee, Palin or Jindal, or McCain or VDH (okay, I do agree with everything VDH says, far as I know) but I certainly see them as on MY side, if not yours. If the tossing of slings and arrows demonstrated on this thread is typical, then there will be few or none in the GOP who can emerge unscathed. There will always be something they have once said or done to get labeled a theocrat, or an IDer, or a fundamentalist, or have somehow fallen short in passing the LGF bar. For myself, I accept Darwin's science, but it's not the be-all and end-all of my political judgments. I suppose if one hasn't been absent for awhile, as I have been, the change in focus on LGF would be less surprising, less distressing.

1325 zeebeach  Fri, Feb 13, 2009 11:52:20pm

Well, I agree that it's probably unnecessary to "teach" ID, as it's really not a science, just a concept that encompasses anyone's "belief". But what's the big problem with mentioning it as an option? I doubt it will be taken too seriously, or am I being naive?

1326 Wendya  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 12:01:22am

re: #1315 Capitalistincharge

Just got in from dinner out with Liberal, Obama supporting friends. They are PISSED about the stimulus. I just could not believe my ears. They vowed they would NOT vote Wisconsin DEMOCRATs back in, in 2010. Too bad the American Citizenry weren't allowed enough time to organize and defeat this. I wonder if it is possible for all citizens to refuse to pay taxes and effect a CHANGE regarding this whole mess.

I live in an area that went 80% for Obama and most people here are pissed as well.

1327 Wendya  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 12:07:54am

re: #1325 zeebeach

Well, I agree that it's probably unnecessary to "teach" ID, as it's really not a science, just a concept that encompasses anyone's "belief". But what's the big problem with mentioning it as an option? I doubt it will be taken too seriously, or am I being naive?

Would you have a problem with medical schools mentioning phrenology as an option?

1328 theheat  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 12:52:06am

As Huckabilly whips the Fundies into a feeding frenzy, the upside is I can keep crossing his ilk off my list. They'll keep popping their heads up like so many prairie dogs, thinking the coast is clear, outing themselves. Where they may have seemed innocuous, previously, they'll become more comfortable engaging in Fundiespeak, and remove any doubts as to whether they we really all just quietly crazy before they joined this united front of fanatical religious lunatics redefining 'conservatism'.

In a way, it's a good thing. I mean, short of marking them with paintball guns, the Elusive Fundie will be easier to identify; they're out, they're loud, and they're proud. And it's kind of exciting, too, wondering who the next closet crazy to join the fray will be. I'm sure we're in for a few surprises, though I suspect a few ringers are going to surface that will make some jaws drop.

I'm going to sit back and enjoy the floor show for awhile. Pathetic as it is, it's cheap entertainment for the short term. At least, until the weeping and wailing gets too loud.

1329 theheat  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 12:56:39am
they we really

PIMF "they were really".

In this tough economy, I'm doing my part by conserving keystrokes (omitting the ends of words), yadda yadda.

/made up excuse

1330 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 1:02:51am

Why does this guy hate America so much?

1331 zeebeach  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:48:24am

re: #1327 Wendya

Yes, I would. I also have a problem with you seeing that as an equivalent argument. But that's my problem isn't it?

1332 Rustler  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 5:28:22am

re: #1306 ggt Nope It's a result of concurrent firing in 3 seconds their will be a second of those angels it looks like calm skies so little movement other than verticle of the smoke.

1333 Mich-again  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 6:32:17am

re: #1165 ggt

I saw this guy on C-SPAN book TV the other night and I think I commented about him. He sees 9/11 as a criminal act, not an act of war.

That shows a profound misunderstanding of the problem and btw it was official policy during both Clinton terms. Kind of like thinking you only need to kill the cockroaches you see and not worry about the ones still hiding.

1334 docremulac  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 7:03:22am

I am so happy to see this site exposing Hyuck-Hyuck-Huckabee for what he is:

A dumb hillbilly tool of the leftist media chosen by them to represent the right wing. And he's stupid enough to feel honored having the position.

Leftist media scumbag: "Hey Huck! Say something stupid about your private conversations with Jesus about the latest bills before congress. Did he specifically mention stem cell research to you?"

(Cue banjo and jug band music)

Huck: "Duhh why yeaya aza matterafact, he wuz dun comin to me inna vishun tellin me that evolushun was all lak sinful n whatnot. Yunnow, it's only Cristians what should be havin driver's licenses in this har country, it's in the constatushun right under where it says you gotta go to church every day or them devil dinosaurs might come back."

Hyuk was the liberal media's first choice for Republican Presidential candidate but they were perfectly happy with their second: "My-Friends" McCain.

There's probably twenty interviews granted to Huckabilly for every one granted to Romney.

1335 The Dude  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 7:27:57am
In fact, the GOP is getting ready to put up Huckabee and Bobby Jindal as the shining hopes of the party.

Is it too early to start drinking? Who cares... I'm going for it.

1336 FresnoBob  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 7:52:31am

I for one wish Tom McClintock was elected Governor. He was the only informed person during the debate of fools. He has impeccable credentials as a conservative and I just don't see how anyone could reject him because he is a christian unless they are just obsessed with the fear of christian domination (as is the democratic party).

While I think Huck is less than perfect, I do think that there are a lot dumber folks in the Democratic Party. My take on O is that he is a pseudo christian, mouthing the appropriate christian like sayings periodically to allow those that would never vote for an atheist to have comfort. I think despite my distaste, I would hold my nose and vote for Huck over O.

1337 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 8:52:20am

re: #1324 pollster

There is absolutely nothing 'conservative' about wanting to amend the Constitution of the United States, to make it an explicitly Christian document. This goes totally against every principle of the founding fathers -- they built in protections against this kind of thing specifically to prevent what Mike Huckabee is advocating.

And there is nothing "anti-Christian" about standing against this kind of thing. You are absolutely entitled to believe in any God -- or lack thereof -- in this country. But you are not entitled to force the teaching of your beliefs into science classes as "intelligent design" or creationism or whatever name these deceptive people put on it.

A true 'conservative' respects and honors the US Constitution. Mike Huckabee is a fraud.

And by the way, the reason there are a lot of posts about Charles Darwin on the front page is that it was the 200th anniversary of his birthday on Thursday -- as you could easily see if you actually read any of what I posted on the subject. I believe it's an important date, because Darwin was one of the most influential and brilliant scientists in all of history. And it's really sad to see so many self-labeled 'conservatives' who not only don't respect that, but feel threatened by someone who does.

1338 Opinionated  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 9:00:31am

this is all about one thing: Huckabee is running again to become the "Christian Leader" winner of the Iowa primary.

We desperately need a Third Party.

1339 JWill  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 9:21:56am

As a deeply conservative, seminary alumni and believer in the word of God, I just find this embarrassing.

If the man has political aspirations, that's fine. Just don't hide behind God's skirt while you do it.

Sheesh. Poor God.

JW

1340 docremulac  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 9:35:23am

re: #1335 The Dude

"In fact, the GOP is getting ready to put up Huckabee and Bobby Jindal as the shining hopes of the party.
Is it too early to start drinking? Who cares... I'm going for it."

Not at all. With these guys as frontrunners, drink early and often. If these two knuckleheads, Mike Hee-yckabee and Bobby Jindal get the nod, the Republican party must be made up of about 20% Democrat agents who tell the Republicans to do something stupid whenever the Democrats need a boost in the polls. Run another Hee-yuckabee interview or a press release announcing the plan to overturn Roe vs Wade to turn women away from the Republican party in droves. No matter where you stand on abortion, overturning Roe would just allow states to decide which would mean women in Alabama would have to drive to Florida for their abortions, at least in the real world which is a place some republicans don't care to visit very often.

It's like if we had agents in the Democrat party and told them to release announcements about outlawing all guns when the Republicans needed to get ahead in the polls and they were stupid enough to do it.

1341 donna quixote  Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:57:55pm

If people want to believe in ID, fine....don't expect to run for national office unless you announce early and often that you are keeping religious beliefs out of politics. That's where they should be. The "Christians" have ruined the term. When I was younger there was a politically incorrect term for those who now call themselves that. I put Huckabee in that category. I didn't see him on Hannity because I don't watch Hannity who is nothing more than a robot reciting all the key words of a lot of old political campaigns. I think his IQ might possibly be on the left side of the bell shaped curve.

1342 Klaatu  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:33:49am

I am no fan of Mike Huckabee but the provisions in the spending bill are not required under the Establishment Clause and they do in fact violate the Free Speech and Free Association clauses as determined by the US Supreme Court in WIDMAR v. VINCENT, 454 U.S. 263 (1981), ROSENBERGER v. UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA, 515 U.S. 819 (1995), MITCHELL et al. v. HELMS et al., 530 U.S. 793 (2000), and GOOD NEWS CLUB et al. v. MILFORD CENTRAL SCHOOL, 533 U.S. 98 (2001).

The case law on this is clear. You cannot single out religious groups for exclusion from facilities that are used by other groups. Simply, if you allow the campus Darwinist Society to use the common room, you must allow the Christian Student Union to do the same.

1343 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:06:31pm

re: #360 ShaneBorgess

I disagree Charles - this is supposed to be a stimulus bill, and there's no good reason to have anti-religious legislation in it. I trust Jim Demint in this instance, though it doesn't make me feel any better having Huckabee out in front.

I recognize that antipathy toward religion is a theme here on LGF - and I don't mind following the debate, but this place is getting darker and darker...

No, antipathy to theocracy is a theme here. And theocracy is what people like Huckabee and the Disco Institute represent.

1344 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:20:29pm

re: #552 Afrocity

The only thing I would like to see changed in the constitution or whatever governs it is get rid of the electoral college.

I'd like it to be changed to mandate that vacated Senate seats get filled by special elections, as is already mandated for House of Rep seats, so we don't have to endure Senate-seat-selling Blagovitch-Burris appointment crapola again.

1345 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:22:43pm

re: #571 ploome hineni

I think she wants to sell books

and she does a damn good job

and she throws out this chum,, so the LLL has something to swarm around and keep the waters roiling

and, she mostly deals with idiots, and she laughs at them

she is very very very smart

And utterly unscrupulous.

1346 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:52:54pm

re: #964 Mich-again

I don't agree with the point of view that says if you point out any problems in the theory of evolution that you are anti-science. Of course there is overwhelming empirical evidence that the species have evolved over time. But the explanations given for how and why the species evolved or became extinct are not bulletproof.

Just a few weeks back here I disagreed with the notion that all genetic mutations are random and I was panned and accused of being a creationist. Then I explained that radiation can cause mutations so if an environment was high in radiation levels then it would follow that more mutations would occur there than in another environment that was not as high in radiation levels. In other words, perhaps mutations are not just random occurrences but can be affected by the environment.

My point is it should be OK to question things without being accused of being anti-science and a creationist.

As for the theories about abiogenesis, don't get me started. Those are all just about as crazy as believing Genesis literally.

More radiation means more mutations, but WHICH genomic base pairs do and do not get hit by radiation is still a random thing.


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