Spencer chose...poorly.

Oh good. I have been trying to catch up and make sense of it all.

"Spencer is, with all his contradictions, his bullying manners, his actions (regardless of the motives behind them) enabling racists and fascists who try to exploit resistance to Islamic jihad for their own purposes".

Exactly. Well said.

re: #1 Honorary Yooper

Spencer chose...poorly.

Good quote. Here's the scene:

Please let us defeat the fascists in the US, no matter how they try to disguise their sick plans.

Very good summary indeed.

Wow, that is one good summation of what has been going on.

The JW posters are big on the conspiracy theory that the US is a prime facilitator of Jihad, and has been for ages. Russia is going to save them.

One of the reasons I stopped reading comments, and eventually stopped visiting the site.

I am trying to wrap my head around this whole thing. Anyways, what about Front Page Magazine and their affiliation with Spencer? Or is front just as bad? Haven't been to their site for a bit.

Honorary Yooper: LSSU, MTU, NMU, or Finlandia? I am finishing up here at NMU, getting a degree in history.

With fiends like these....
We're ending up with no sane allies.

Isn't giving all this attention exactly what someone like him would want?

re: #11 TheMatrix31

Isn't giving all this attention exactly what someone like him would want?

Probably not.

re: #9 Blaarg

I am trying to wrap my head around this whole thing. Anyways, what about Front Page Magazine and their affiliation with Spencer? Or is front just as bad? Haven't been to their site for a bit.

Honorary Yooper: LSSU, MTU, NMU, or Finlandia? I am finishing up here at NMU, getting a degree in history.

They're not as bad. Maybe David Horowitz hasn't noticed this issue. If so, I have to remember to let him know. Robert Spencer no longer has a place at any decent news or commentary site. He got caught doing something evil, and then reacted by attacking the people who caught him, a tactic right out of the Bill Clinton playbook. Again, I'll leave the last word to Whittaker Chambers: "Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks."

re: #11 TheMatrix31

Isn't giving all this attention exactly what someone like him would want?

He's reaction is one of someone embarrassed at being caught.

re: #11 TheMatrix31

Isn't giving all this attention exactly what someone like him would want?

I've been ignoring and not responding to Spencer's increasingly vicious attacks for months. Now I'm finished with that. With his latest behavior, smearing me all over the web, and even at Hot Air, he's crossed the final line with me, and I'm not going to ignore it any more.

re: #12 Scion9

Probably not.

Well I mean, it's negative attention, so obviously not. But it's attention nonetheless, especially for the idiot people who have been coming out of the woodwork trying to support him.

re: #15 Charles

I've been ignoring and not responding to Spencer's increasingly vicious attacks for months. Now I'm finished with that. With his latest behavior, smearing me all over the place, and even at Hot Air, he's crossed the final line with me, and I'm not going to ignore it any more.

I agree. In a way, it's kind of like the Israelis. Ignore, ignore, ignore, then finally you have enough and you respond, and people start bitching at you for no reason.

Spencer is, with all his contradictions, his bullying manners, his actions (regardless of the motives behind them) enabling racists and fascists who try to exploit resistance to Islamic jihad for their own purposes.

Well said. The whole article was well written, concise and easy to understand for those who may not have followed the story.

re: #15 Charles

I've been ignoring and not responding to Spencer's increasingly vicious attacks for months. Now I'm finished with that. With his latest behavior, smearing me all over the place, and even at Hot Air, he's crossed the final line with me, and I'm not going to ignore it any more.

HHooper mentioned in the last thread that Spencer has been dropping my name over there.

I don't want anyone to post links HERE, but, if anyone has a link, click on my name and use my email to send me a link.

re: #10 Kosh's Shadow

With fiends like these....
We're ending up with no sane allies.

If you build it, they will come...I hope!

re: #15 Charles

That bullshit at Hotair was beyond the pale. I doubt any of those posters supporting him (and attacking you) know the whole story.

Some of them probably don't care.

Thoguh I don't comment often, I have been an avid reader of both yours and Spencers for some time now. I feel like two of my friends "split up" and now I have to choose which I can continue being friends with. It all makes me sad.

re: #19 Walter L. Newton

HHooper mentioned in the last thread that Spencer has been dropping my name over there.

I don't want anyone to post links HERE, but, if anyone has a link, click on my name and use my email to send me a link.

Googling "Jihadwatch" and "Walter L Newton" turns up one JW post from October 31, 2008.

re: #21 Noam Sayin'
Do I remember correctly that it was ONLY the posters over at Hot Air that were jumping on Charles? I though Hot Air itself was supportive of Charles.

re: #21 Noam Sayin'

His attack on Allah Pundit was pretty classless too. Spencer doesn't debate well.

Allahpundit is a friend. Spencer also attacked him.

When it gets quiet, like this.......and I see 159 logged in, can I safely assume that the lounge is active?

re: #15 Charles

I've been ignoring and not responding to Spencer's increasingly vicious attacks for months. Now I'm finished with that. With his latest behavior, smearing me all over the web, and even at Hot Air, he's crossed the final line with me, and I'm not going to ignore it any more.

And knowing you, sir, it likely will be a final line, in the sense that he will likely be crippled as a commentator and organizer by the time you're done. We've seen what messing with you gets someone (see Rather, Dan) and it ain't pretty. Spencer won't know what hit him.

re: #10 Kosh's Shadow

With fiends like these....
We're ending up with no sane allies.

I keep saying that.
We can only paint ourselves into the corner so long and the jihadists will be easily able to pick us off one by one.
But at least we will die with our integrity.....like those Christians who went into the arena with the lions.

re: #27 SummerSong

When it gets quiet, like this.......and I see 159 logged in, can I safely assume that the lounge is active?

Nah, it also means that there are quite a few lurkers about. Like me for instance.

re: #27 SummerSong

I typed out a couple of posts but deleted them. I think people are choosing their words carefully.

Actually, I've noticed a lot of "attacks" on Allahpundit over there.

re: #29 mean Gene

I keep saying that.
We can only paint ourselves into the corner so long and the jihadists will be easily able to pick us off one by one.
But at least we will die with our integrity.....like those Christians who went into the arena with the lions.

Or the Jews who said the Shema while the Romans (and others) did horrible things to them.
I am getting depressed; fits what is happening to the country with the 0bamanation as president.

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I typed out a couple of posts but deleted them. I think people are choosing their words carefully.

So have I.

re: #32 Gus 802

Allah Pundit takes a lot of crap from his own readers.

Spencer's blogroll sites GoV and BJ are rife with articles that are slanted pro-Russian and anti-American in such a way that they could have been edited by the FSB itself.

In part putting truth to the European 'anti-Jihad' movements lie, an article by a former KGB Lt. Col, regarding Russian policy and Jihad.

re: #34 Kosh's Shadow

So have I.

Me too.

re: #22 Larry_in_PHX

Thoguh I don't comment often, I have been an avid reader of both yours and Spencers for some time now. I feel like two of my friends "split up" and now I have to choose which I can continue being friends with. It all makes me sad.

Such choices are difficult.

Use your head in such things. Your heart is not to be trusted.

Think about what it means to the Anti-Jihad movement if it is believed by the "undecided" that Anti-Jihad movement will excuse or promote racial supremacy.

re: #27 SummerSong

When it gets quiet, like this.......and I see 159 logged in, can I safely assume that the lounge is active?

I'm here, SummerSong, quietly following the thread. I've also been watching a History Channel production of the History of the White House, just ending now. (I believe there's a documentary on the Valentine's Day Massacre just beginning.)

Laura Bush is a most elegant lady.

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Which is funny because without AP it would HA at half steam. He's basically 50% of HA.

I know everyone watches each other. Between HA and LGF. I don't know. Seems kind of weird.

I don't really follow nor pay much attention to the blog-wars, but I have one question about this particular issue which has nagged at me:

Robert Spencer claims he was somehow "tricked" into joining a Facebook groups whose aims he was unaware of. He might have some wriggle room if the name of the group was deceptive in some way, but look at the name again:

"Campaign for the Reconquest in Anatolia"

Can you any clearer than that?!? Their agenda is self-evident. It's right up front in the name of the group. No deception is involved.

If you join a group called "Campaign for the Reconquest in Anatolia," you can't later claim -- "Gee, I had no idea they wanted to reconquer Anatolia!"

Has he offered any explanation for this? What conceivable manner of "trick" was involved?

The group is a real Facebook group.
Their name is honest and self-explanatory.
Spencer joined it of his own volition, without being deceived as to its nature.

So -- where is the trick? There is no trick.

re: #38 Syrah

Such choices are difficult.

Use your head in such things. Your heart is not to be trusted.

Think about what it means to the Anti-Jihad movement if it is believed by the "undecided" that Anti-Jihad movement will excuse or promote racial supremacy.

Sounds like you read my spinoff link about those awful chickenxxxx school officials who refused to stand up for their own teachers against Muslim bullies.
They choose poorly, too.
Calling good teachers ''racists'' when, in truth, they were too afraid to punish bad behavior.

joining a Facebook groups whose aims = joining a Facebook group whose aims

re: #39 pink freud

I'm here, SummerSong, quietly following the thread. I've also been watching a History Channel production of the History of the White House, just ending now. (I believe there's a documentary on the Valentine's Day Massacre just beginning.)

Laura Bush is a most elegant lady.

Yep, it's true. Check out the doc on the Massacre. It's a important piece of Chicago history. I grew up not far from where it took place.

re: #19 Walter L. Newton
Uh, well, rather than write you an e-mail (which would necessarily entail my going to JW, which I adamantly refuse to do) here are the quotes from
guftafs blog:

“Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?” (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer…

“Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied.” [My bold. A contradictory statement in view of his earlier "I oppose all authoritarian governments".] (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Does that answer your question?

Can you any clearer than that = Can you get any clearer than that

I'm PIMFing all over myself tonight.

re: #39 pink freud

I'm here, SummerSong, quietly following the thread. I've also been watching a History Channel production of the History of the White House, just ending now. (I believe there's a documentary on the Valentine's Day Massacre just beginning.)

Laura Bush is a most elegant lady.

I watched that earlier. It's only been 3 weeks and I'm already nostalgic.

re: #30 BlueCanuck

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Understood.

It has never been lost on me that many eyes are on LGF. For instance, 1,700 are reading, right now...

re: #8 Scion9

These two links are a devastating indictment. Scion, this adoration of Russia and Putin is strange indeed for people who call themselves American patriots. The discovery institute also shares this weird fascination for all things Putin.

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Yep, it's true. Check out the doc on the Massacre. It's a important piece of Chicago history. I grew up not far from where it took place.

Capone used the word "snorky" to indicate elegance, or being dapper.

/I have visited the area, DF. I can only imagine how interesting it must have been to grow up in that area.

re: #43 mean Gene

I have not read them.

Do you have the links handy?

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I typed out a couple of posts but deleted them. I think people are choosing their words carefully.

Yep.

I went back and read every comment on the Halloween post and I'm wondering what the hell I was doing that night.

That is all I have .

re: #38 Syrah

I was thinking the same thing when I read his post. I didn't know this Spencer guy, but after I read Charles links', I see he's nothing more than a facsist that Hilter would be proud of.
Yeah, real tough decision which side to take in this "split- up" as the poster called it.

re: #32 Gus 802
Does Hot Air/Allapundit - moderate their comments - do you have to register to join?
Because I don't know why he allows those comments over there.

re: #48 kingkenrod

I watched that earlier. It's only been 3 weeks and I'm already nostalgic.

So am I. I shudder to think what the zeros will do to "personalize" that great house.

/remembering the spider dress

re: #52 Syrah

I have not read them.

Do you have the links handy?

See the spinoff link above.
It is called:
If aggression works, the Muslims will win (Classroom Lessons)

re: #42 zombie

Yes, I brought this up along with a few other posters when this whole debacle broke out. Claiming that it was a hoax, claiming that he didn't know what the group was about, ad nauseum. As far as I am aware of there is no join all groups button in Facebook.

re: #50 MrPaulRevere

The discovery institute also shares this weird fascination for all things Putin.

You are absolutely right. I had totally forgotten about that.

re: #54 x-wing

I was thinking the same thing when I read his post. I didn't know this Spencer guy, but after I read Charles links', I see he's nothing more than a facsist that Hilter would be proud of.
Yeah, real tough decision which side to take in this "split- up" as the poster called it.

I know. Islam, which wants to kill me, neo-Nazis who also want to kill me, or stay here at LGF.

re: #55 realwest

I rarely opens. Kind of like here: once in a blue moon. Moderation is limited from what I've seen. I don't exactly follow each thread since sometimes they go off the deep end when dealing with evolution or Sarah Palin.

Correction on that: "It rarely..."

re: #15 Charles "With his latest behavior, smearing me all over the web, and even at Hot Air, he's crossed the final line with me, and I'm not going to ignore it any more."

Good on you Charles - your patience has been a virtue up until now. Now, however, I think you're not responding to this...this... BULLSHIT and ad hominen attacks on you whips back on you and you SHOULD respond. And I have GREAT FAITH that your response(s) will terminate this bullshit from all but the most diehard of Spencer's "fans".

re: #55 realwest

Does Hot Air/Allapundit - moderate their comments - do you have to register to join?
Because I don't know why he allows those comments over there.

They are moderated. Not sure what they let you get away with tho'. And yes you have to register.

re: #42 zombie

Of course he knew what the group was about. There's no doubt about it. It's also easy to see why he was invited. If you google "Robert Spencer Constantinople" you can see he's written a lot about it. His other blog, Dhimmi Watch, even has a "Liberate Constantinople" banner ad on it.

re: #55 realwest

Forgot to mention this but it's also through Wordpress.

Boss.

I'M
HERE,
R

This is the exact topic I'm wondering how to deal with as well. WHen people attack - you ignore it for a long time - but the attacks persist - what do you do?

I need major advise because I'm all alone in this very very stressful situation.
I became the neighborhood scapegoat. There is gossip that I have no idea what is even being said. People won't look at me or say hello. I think I know who is doing this but I don't know how to approach someone who used to be a friend to find out, its that uncomfortable.

Also, another person who i've know 25 years, tuned out to be so out for herself that the betrayal is nothing I've ever known or how to deal with it.

I am at the end of my rope. People all point fingers at me and I'm not the perp!

The one who I thought a friend came for a visit. Turned out she was penniless and needed to find someone to take her in, indefinitely. I was very accommodating to his person. She tried to move in with me! I finally told her I couldn't help her anymore and she needed to find somewhere else to go.

She yelled at me, i was selfish, not a friend, blah blah blah. No thank you. She sponged off me the whole time. Made me run errands for her. She even befriended all the people who she knew where making trouble for me and it seems she joined in in their gossip. She left, but then another neighbor took her in and she has been squatting in the basement here. She is making life here even more uncomfortable than before she arrived. I don't know what she has told them, but I am viewed as some nasty heartless bitch and poor her.

I have said not one word to her but I feel like sending her a note that says, there is a special place in hell for people like her. I wish I knew how to make her leave. I don't know what to do! I wish I could move, but I can't.

any ideas?

re: #42 zombie
Hey zombie - it's much worse than that - Charles pointed out yesterday that on JW itself is something to the exact same effect as "the Reconquest in Anatolia" albeit without the calls for euthanasia and all. So it's not really credible at all that Spencer didn't know what this group stood for when he voluntarily joined it.

re: #68 Teacake!

Don't say anything. Simply make a new group of friends.

You know, I find it very strange when new lizards finally get here and say they have been reading for months, even years...and then proceed to ask things like, "what does PIMF mean?"...or "what is a clue x 4"?

WTH? Really?

re: #68 Teacake!

I agree with zombie. Just move on and don't look back. No revenge, don't try to get even or make things right. Just move on.

On the discovery institutes so called 'Russia blog' they post comments from the noxious site 'jewwatch'. This comment has been up since 1-28. Look for yourself: [Link: www.russiablog.org...]

re: #51 pink freud

Capone used the word "snorky" to indicate elegance, or being dapper.

/I have visited the area, DF. I can only imagine how interesting it must have been to grow up in that area.

When I was a boy, Lincoln Park still had one of the old bridle paths once ridden by gangsters such as Dean O'Banion and Samuel "Nails" Morton. On Lincoln Park West stands the Belden Hotel building where O"Banion was memorably wined and dined by Democratic Party leaders in 1923 (How times have changed.../sarc), and nearby on Lincoln Ave is the famous Biograph Theater where John Dillinger was shot to death by the FBI in the 30's. Lots of history around where I used to live.

re: #68 Teacake!

This is just plain wrong, TC, to come in and drop this all over the carpet.

Honor the iron fist rule. Maybe find an AA meeting.

re: #70 zombie

Don't say anything. Simply make a new group of friends.

Yes. Some will probably return to being friendly given time as well. Not everyone is grudge prone, but they do often like to believe the worst for some bizarre reason.

If this squatter friend of yours is prone to lying and using people she will eventually out herself with them as well.

He wasn't sifting, he was postponing the inevitiable.

No more bestseller lists.

CAREER
CHOICES,
R

re: #55 realwest

Does Hot Air/Allapundit - moderate their comments - do you have to register to join?
Because I don't know why he allows those comments over there.

Not sure about the moderating but you do have to register. Back when I signed up the only way to do it was by contacting AP by e-mail and asking him about it. I still remember the gist of his reply.
Something like:
Ok but no nuke Mecca stuff or your gone...what password you wanna use?

I thought it was pretty funny.

So I guess he doesn't mind much else, but I don't know how he deals with the tools who call him out all the time over there.
AP irritates the hell out of me sometimes but if you read someone long enough it is going to happen sooner or later.

Zombie, I have friends, but this is all in my apartment building. One's home should be where you can go to get away from stress. not be where the worst stress is.

My rent is 450 and as a low income person, there is no way I can move. I've been invaded and tresspassed on. I'm no good at confrontations. I keep ignoring all this. I have no idea why I'm being the scapegoat for all these fucked up assholes.

re: #69 realwest
PIMF - zombie, that was on Spencer's other rag, Dhimmi Watch - see Killgore's post above at #65.

re: #68 Teacake!

What zombie said. New friends are easy to find. What was...was. Let it go and move on

LIFE'S
TO
SHORT

AA? I'm not an alcholic.

re: #68 Teacake!

A real friend would tell you what people are saying about you. I went through a much, much milder version of the same thing a few years ago. You find out who your real friends are. It's tough. Disillusioning. I'm sorry to hear you're going through this.

But everyone is encouraging Charles to finally strike back. I want to do this but I don't know how. I want this user looser to move. She came for a 2 week visit 6 months ago.

re: #71 SummerSong

I've been reading and posting for awhile and I still don't know what PIMF means.
Never got around to asking, and haven't seen it spelled out ;>}

Oh, Teacake!
Poor baby.
I feel for you.

The book of Job in the Hebrew Scriptures has a good lesson, but it is difficult and lengthy path.
You see, the only way to ''prove'' that you are a good person and neighbor is to be one over time.
When you assist by taking a shopping list and delivering it for a shut in, when you visit a sick person or tutor a youngster after school it proves what you are.
But it doesn't happen overnight.
In the meantime, take some comfort from not worrying too much about what people who do not know you think or say about you.

My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Hellodare, obviously I found out real quick she isn't a friend. But she is still here, in the basement with another neighbor making life so much worse.

I've lived in this apartment for 11 years, its home. Its affordable. I'm not thick skinned and I've still said nothing to her. She is invisable. The others who were ganging up on me befriended her naturally. I don't know what I've ever done to deserve this.

re: #69 realwest

Hey zombie - it's much worse than that - Charles pointed out yesterday that on JW itself is something to the exact same effect as "the Reconquest in Anatolia" albeit without the calls for euthanasia and all. So it's not really credible at all that Spencer didn't know what this group stood for when he voluntarily joined it.

Yes, I thought that was extremely damning as well.

Most Americans are completely unaware there is a movement among people in the Hellene-o-sphere to "retake" all the areas that were once Greece or Greek-colonized. I was unaware of that too until this incident. And I guess Spencer is part of that movement.

If you don't think about what would be entailed, it seems on the surface like something that might not necessarily be unreasonable. Ah, bring back ancient Greece and/or the Byzantines. Wouldn't that be quaint? But then you realize -- wait, what will happen to the 72 millions Turks living there now? Well, as far as this group is concerned: expelled, sterilized, "euthanized." Then you realize -- whoa, this isn't so unreasonable after all. This is insane.

re: #84 Teacake!

Well, other than her are they rational people? If they're not rational or have a lot of baggage there aren't many options.

Then you realize -- whoa, this isn't so unreasonable after all

=

Then you realize -- whoa, this isn't merely unreasonable

PIMF

re: #85 x-wing

I've been reading and posting for awhile and I still don't know what PIMF means.
Never got around to asking, and haven't seen it spelled out ;>}

Preview
Is
My
Friend

I read for about six months before registering I think, and I didn't know what it meant either when I first started posting. I just sat patiently waiting for some other jackass to ask.

mean Gene, this is sort of what you say but having helped someone in a dire situation, got burned and for only because she is out for herself. I'm going to stop now. I don't think there is any solution. This is that situation that the saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished.

re: #91 Scion9

Oh, and then I learned there was a an LGF dictionary as well.

re: #84 Teacake!

But everyone is encouraging Charles to finally strike back. I want to do this but I don't know how. I want this user looser to move. She came for a 2 week visit 6 months ago.

I have no advice but I do not want to see a cheesy late night CSI type of show about this in the future. (is it sick that I love them?)
Just don't let it get out of hand....I guess.

Hopeless I guess. She came out here to visit saying she would make sure the crap would stop and she took control of all of it doubling up the crap.

She is 60! Penniless. Son is a junkie, she is an ex commie, so much more to this. My mistake is trusting misfits. Oh well.

re: #93 Scion9

Oh, and then I learned there was a an LGF dictionary as well.

LOL, thanks I'll bookmark that. ;>}

re: #84 Teacake!

But everyone is encouraging Charles to finally strike back. I want to do this but I don't know how. I want this user looser to move. She came for a 2 week visit 6 months ago.

You cannot control what other people say or do (their actions); you can only control what you do or do not say or do in response (your REactions).

Counter anything bad you hear said about you with the simple honest truth and facts of the matter, and ONLY that; and not the truth about THEM as you see it, but only the truth about YOURSELF. Do this, and it will become obvious that your accusers lie, and that you do not. And decide that, from now on, you will have no enemies in your life - that there will only henceforth be two kinds of people for you: friends and strangers. Dissociate yourself from social contact with your attackers; it's kinda hard for them to credibly say anything about you, true or otherwise, that they can't claim to have been around to find out.

With all due respect, if anyone can get into their 40's and all they've got against them is joining a facebook group and having a friend who said some stuff, that doesn't seem totally compelling. The case as stated here against Spencer is thin indeed.

I guess I'm one of those people who started reading all these sites - LGF, jihadwatch, etc. - early in the decade, still peruses them all, and can't get my head around this conflict. Spencer et. al. are doing important work, aren't they? There is a valid issue about the convergence of anti-jihad types with troubling groups of people, but to me, it doesn't invalidate their work, it just makes their work about as complex and riddled with challenges as you'd expect given the severity of the issues involved.

It seems to me that some of the bloggers under fire here at LGF are really putting themselves on the line with their blogging, trying to keep global sharia creep and jihad in the public awareness at great personal risk and huge cost in time and effort, which is still desperately needed, is it not? Soon enough, many of the remaining people will be gone, whether due to attrition, lack of viewership or support, Obamanization of the media and fairness doctrines brought to the web and such, and then it will be all Darwin versus creationism all the time. Will that, honestly, be an improvement?

I kept my mouth shut by not posting more than a comment or two here in the last year or two - I read, thought about it, digested. But now I wanted to say my piece. This ongoing conflict between LGF and the anti-jihad bloggers has trivialized and dimished ALL of the parties, including LGF. How is that better than when there was a bit of consensus about what was the burning issue of our time?

Okay, I should just keep ignoring her and the others. Don't tell her, a jesus sort of spiritual better than everyone person, that she is going to hell. Okay, I needed to have support from you all as to keep strong and continue to ignore her and the others.

re: #79 Teacake!

Zombie, I have friends, but this is all in my apartment building. One's home should be where you can go to get away from stress. not be where the worst stress is.

My rent is 450 and as a low income person, there is no way I can move. I've been invaded and tresspassed on. I'm no good at confrontations. I keep ignoring all this. I have no idea why I'm being the scapegoat for all these fucked up assholes.

Not to get too personal (and don't feel required to answer), but when you say, "My rent is 450 and as a low income person, there is no way I can move," do you mean that you are in Section 8/senior housing/disabled housing? Because if so, isn't it possible to request a new housing situation? Altrernately, if you mean you simply don't have a lot of money and have luckily found an inexpensive apartment, then, hmmmm, that is more of a problem. If so, I recommend searching for a cheap place to move instead of dreaming of oneupmanship.

Honco is not yet in the LGF dictionary.

The LGF frontpage has become very interesting since Charles, still staunchly opposing jihadists and their apologists, explicitly took on both religious and political fanatics from within his camp. Spencer, Gates of Vienna and the like didn't bait and switch - the fault lines just weren't clear for a long time, and opinions aren't static - but they had that effect anyway, and without a scintilla of reservation I find myself fully supporting Charles, and rejecting Spencer. Spencer's expositions on Islam have anyway long tended towards defensive and crass fixed views.

re: #65 Killgore Trout

And when you see his 'friends' on Facebook, IIRC, the list seems to have shrunk...and here is the thread from the other night.

Got to go to sleep! G'nite, all. Sweet dreams.

re: #85 x-wing

I've been reading and posting for awhile and I still don't know what PIMF means.
Never got around to asking, and haven't seen it spelled out ;>}

Really? LOL Okay PIMF = Preview is my friend.

I really did wait for 2 years to find a open registration! :)

re: #88 zombie
Well,

If you don't think about what would be entailed, it seems on the surface like something that might not necessarily be unreasonable. Ah, bring back ancient Greece and/or the Byzantines. Wouldn't that be quaint? But then you realize -- wait, what will happen to the 72 millions Turks living there now? Well, as far as this group is concerned: expelled, sterilized, "euthanized." Then you realize -- whoa, this isn't so unreasonable after all. This is insane.

it's not only insane, it's pure unadulterated hatred based purely on ethnicity/religion. Charles is absolutley in the right here and it's nice to hear him say he's through being quiet in the face of such vile attacks from Spencer.

re: #103 NY Nana

Nite Nana, Sweet dreams!

Good for you with the dessert.

Salamantis - wise words for sure. THing is I don't know what is being said. I just get cold stares, hellos ignored and lots of attitude. This is actually a double person problem. Way too long of a story. But she joined the group that started all this and she just added to it.

I can't even believe this is happening. IT all started by being in love with the guy across the street and the entire neighborhood joined in to help him hate me. She is just the latest addition to this sick group. They are all leftys and I'm not. Wonder what that says? LOL

re: #102 Dom

When I first came here I used to read JW, DW, and GoV. Since the former sites have shown their true colours I have pared down which blogs I read. As well I am very careful about which ones I will link to. Caution is a good thing now a days.

Hello all

Evening Afrocity. Quiet night for you?

re: #103 NY Nana

And when you see his 'friends' on Facebook, IIRC, the list seems to have shrunk...and here is the thread from the other night.

Got to go to sleep! G'nite, all. Sweet dreams.

Getting caught supporting fascists is a quick way to lose friends.

BBL

re: #110 BlueCanuck

Yep No dates :-(

I guess there just isn't a solution. I feel like Israel among arabs.

zombie, I'm just a low income person who is lucky to have cheap rent here in new orleans where the rent these days is triple that! Cheaper rent than what I have is in the projects. I'm screwed I guess. Anyhow, thanks for all the advice and kind words and such. I was just hoping someone had some magic solution.

re: #107 Teacake!

I can't even believe this is happening. IT all started by being in love with the guy across the street and the entire neighborhood joined in to help him hate me. She is just the latest addition to this sick group. They are all leftys and I'm not. Wonder what that says? LOL

OK, that's it: with that added extra detail, my diagnosis is definitive:

Move.

re: #98 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

Was that your goodbye post?

Have Spencer, or any of his allies, ever been to Iraq or Afghanistan?

Roggio has. Totten has. Yon has.

MOVE
ALONG,
R

And just like Israel, I hate being run out of my home , I've been here way before all these others. THanks, just wanted some feedback if I should say something that's on my mind or stay quiet and continue to ignore the bs.

re: #98 find your violent jihadi on ebay! Trying to short stroke your comment, as I must get to sleep NOW. You ask "How is that better than when there was a bit of consensus about what was the burning issue of our time?"
What is better is that Charles made it abundantly clear that blogs such as JW and Pamela's blog, need to be careful to not allow the Euro-Fascists, White Nationalists or Neo-Nazi's make themselves "reputable" by hanging out with JW and Pamela among others. And Charles was and is right.
THE BURNING ISSUE OF OUR TIME IS FASCISM. ISLAMO-FASCISM which I would hope all intelligent people recognize, and all those Neo-Nazi's in Europe and soon to be coming to a theater near you.
THERE IS NO ROOM FOR FASCIST AT LGF. NO MATTER WHAT GUISE THEY PORTRAY THEMSELVES, NO ROOM FOR FASCISTS AT LGF. PERIOD.

Well my ban on commenting on Hot Air has been lifted. No special appeal. Was likely a probation for offending the old farts who comment there.

thanks, good night.

Nite

re: #104 SummerSong

Really? LOL Okay PIMF = Preview is my friend.

I really did wait for 2 years to find a open registration! :)

I don't think I waited that long. But when I had dial up, my blazenet e-mail account was too hard for me (rookie) to figure out. When an open reg. came up I put in my yahoo e-mail and got denied.Now I'm cable ready, and it did seem like forever just waiting,but it has been well worth it.

/BTW thanks.

re: #112 Afrocity

Yep No dates :-(

Bummer. Mine is currently in Florida. Going to have to come up with a good one. Thinking the Art Gallery, and then dinner. Or dinner then the gallery. Something different from the dinner and a movie usual.

re: #87 Teacake!

Sorry. I thought the people in the building were your friends. I suggest you find out what is being said. Isn't part of the problem the fact that you don't know what is being said about you?

Ask one of them why they are treating you this way. When you find out, state the truth and nothing more.

Who knows, she might be saying something that could easily be refuted.

In any case, it's best to get stuff out in the open.

re: #116 Teacake!

Not my business but I have been in this situation before. My mom gave me best advice ever. Don't pay them any attention. Go on Craigslist meet some new people. Are they in your apartment or just the neighborhood?

re: #106 pink freud

Thanks! It really worked with all 4 of the kids (kids=45, 43, 41 and 36!;). It was never used as a bribe, nor as a punishment; just a part of the meal. Now if we could only stop the food fights...my 3 little grandkids seem to think it is funny for some reason...and my 2 dil's and son in law are of differing view points. DIL's are aghast, while my son in law recalls what he and his only sibling, a brother, used to do when they were kids!

What do I know? I was an only child!

G'nite for real! One night I will actually close down at 1:30AM...just not sure of the month or year yet! *cough* *cough*

Got to go to sleep. NY Grampa is trying to close my computer down!

re: #117 realwest

Meaning that while we might be anti-Jihad we're not anti-Islam.

re: #122 BlueCanuck

Dinner is so cliche.

re: #126 Gus 802 Yes.

re: #113 Teacake!
Best advice I can give you is ignore and don't let them see it Effecting you. Best thing about Bullies like this is they typically feed off the grief they cause you. If you can show them you are above it by not responding oftentimes tehy will get bored and tired of it. If it ever gets beyond teh verbal and they start imposing themselves into your space and hampering your movements involve the police but don't result to their tactics.

re: #125 NY Nana

I love your family stories, Nana.

Goodnight :-)

Well y'all I gotta get some sleep. I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Good night, all.

re: #26 Charles

Well,{coughs nervously} I NOW understand why some comments I made a few months ago were met with a steely eyeball and curt words of "watch it". I plead ignorance (no excuse) for not fully understanding the particulars of what others were stirring up in the subject area.
My ignorance WAS based on what I had read/heard from the MFM (which since then has proved they deserve no benefit of the doubt that they filter ALL news) and personal entanglements. Unlike Mr. Spencer (although like him, or how many would react for that matter, I initially was angered at being taken to task) I have recognized my ignorance and have maintained a lower profile in comments about how to confront those professing Islam as their guiding principle and to prevent any further violence. I am grateful for having been given the benefit of the doubt at the time and since then (particularly due to more time in hand to investigate and further absorption of facts and opinion here at LGF) have LEARNED how ignorant I was and how others seemingly just as ignorant have actually begun to make the situation WORSE by their actions and rhetoric.

(in other words; YAY LGF and Thanks Charles.)

re: #131 realwest

Goodnight Real! Sleep tight :-)

re: #130 pink freud

And Nite to you. (best nic ever). No doubt when you go to sleep you glory in your cleverness. lol.

re: #128 realwest

Roger that Realwest and have a good one.

re: #134 pat

Pat! You sly ole dog, you! Goodnite! Sweet dreams!

Overnight hopen up.

This whole cheer the Euro facists cause they want to evict the Islamofacists arguement bring to mind the old parable of the rabbit the wolf and the bear. Whether the rabbit cheers the wolf or bear at the end of the day he is still dinner.

re: #127 Afrocity

Dinner is so cliche.

Heh heh, yeah but it does stand the test of time. Besides I will cook her up a good one again one of these days. Just have to dig through my recipies and find one that she should like. After I test it properly on myself and get all the mistakes cleared out. Maybe I will order the LGF cook book and go from there.

Render, if it was a goodbye post, it would've said goodbye. I am not, personally, from the "threaten to leave because something is bugging me" school of comment posting. I still read LGF. I don't post much, though I used to, because I am not part of this hive as it has evolved the last couple years, as evidenced in the quick onslaught of negative ratings for saying, basically, that there's some value in what the antijihadist websites are doing and that the conflict between them and LGF has diminished everyone. That such an obvious, simple truth can lead to such immediate commenter blowback is, in a nutshell, why I don't post much here anymore. There's not much point, but that doesn't mean I will play the trite game of "So is that your last post?"

And yes, many of the antijihadists have gone to some very dangerous places and taken immense personal risks for what they believe. I have been repeatedly stunned by what some of those bloggers, for instance Atlas, have undertaken, in terms of standing in the middle of violent Hamas rallies with videocam rolling to chronicle encroaching global sharia. Those people have been badly maligned here but are doing something that needs to be done and are taking more risks than you or I sitting around in our underwear spouting our views. I found those bloggers via LGF years ago; that's what makes it so frustrating. It seems to me that the whole case against most of those bloggers is a vague guilt-by-association that, itself, as the sole focus of attention, is almost unbelievably oversimplistic and trite, given the real threat at hand.

As a mere technicality, they are not really fascists. They are Nationalists, as in White Nationalists.

GOING
THERE,
R

Night rw, weet dreams.

/moving on up, exit stage right → → → →

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Getting caught supporting fascists is a quick way to lose friends.

Oh, I agree...unless they, too, are fascists, and it seems that Spencer has drunk the Kool-Aid in massive quantities, and his crap that he spewed at Charles? He will get what he has coming to him, and he richly deserves it. Charles does not. For telling the truth, Charles was excoriated, and in this? Spencer's credibility and reputation are down the toilet, and he more than earned it. Any rational person who reads that pathetic excuse of being picked on, law suits, etc.? It smells of the desperation of a cornered rat, who let his true self be seen, as he was and is that full of himself.

What a loser. He once seened to be a decent man. Spenser? We hardly knew ye.

re: #138 Rustler

This is the one I am reminded of:

I’m big on similes, metaphors and the like.

One of my favorites involves, depending on the telling, a good Samaritan and a poisonous creature of some sort — a snake, a scorpion, what have you.

The serpent asks the samaritan for help — crossing a river, getting up or down a mountain, etc.

Samaritan: If I pick you up you’ll sting me and I’ll die.

Creature: Nonononononono, of course I won’t. I need your help and won’t hurt you.

You know what’s coming, right? The creature stings. With his dying words the Samaritan asks how the creature could break his word. You knew what I was when you picked me up, the fault is yours. Creatures cannot change their nature.

Alternately, if the story involves crossing a river, the final question-and-answer takes place as the pair drown. Then the moral of the story has the added message of: A creature can’t change its nature, even if its life is on the line.

re: #98 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

With all due respect, if anyone can get into their 40's and all they've got against them is joining a facebook group and having a friend who said some stuff, that doesn't seem totally compelling. The case as stated here against Spencer is thin indeed.

I guess I'm one of those people who started reading all these sites - LGF, jihadwatch, etc. - early in the decade, still peruses them all, and can't get my head around this conflict. Spencer et. al. are doing important work, aren't they? There is a valid issue about the convergence of anti-jihad types with troubling groups of people, but to me, it doesn't invalidate their work, it just makes their work about as complex and riddled with challenges as you'd expect given the severity of the issues involved.

It seems to me that some of the bloggers under fire here at LGF are really putting themselves on the line with their blogging, trying to keep global sharia creep and jihad in the public awareness at great personal risk and huge cost in time and effort, which is still desperately needed, is it not? Soon enough, many of the remaining people will be gone, whether due to attrition, lack of viewership or support, Obamanization of the media and fairness doctrines brought to the web and such, and then it will be all Darwin versus creationism all the time. Will that, honestly, be an improvement?

I kept my mouth shut by not posting more than a comment or two here in the last year or two - I read, thought about it, digested. But now I wanted to say my piece. This ongoing conflict between LGF and the anti-jihad bloggers has trivialized and dimished ALL of the parties, including LGF. How is that better than when there was a bit of consensus about what was the burning issue of our time?

The ideas of the Enlightenment are being crushed by Islamists and fascists alike. No matter which side you choose - Islamist or fascist - you lose if your goal is to defend modernity. I'm not calling Spencer a fascist, but consider this: Spencer is quick to denounce anti-semites like LePen, but when given ample opportunity refuses to criticize the actions of white supremacists who oppose Islam but nominally support Israel (mostly because they would like to see all the Jews re-located there, I suspect). That should tell you something about his intellectual honesty. And what is his worth if you can't trust him? What's his worth if he destroys this blog's credibility by a continuing association with it?

re: #141 Render

Yes. Many of the racist groups out there are in fact not technically fascist. I also hate the fascist labeling of just about everything that is repugnant. Words have meaning.

re: #33 Kosh's Shadow

Or the Jews who said the Shema while the Romans (and others) did horrible things to them.
I am getting depressed; fits what is happening to the country with the 0bamanation as president.

Reading about the previous one, I found it interesting that the era, besides the financial pit that took place, was also a time of similar emotional and mental depression (in the clinical sense) much of which took place BEFORE the financial fall.
I would expect that as more and more folks begun to assess the future being created by those in power this will begin to take effect now also.
Not for little reason did FDR make his speech about "nothing to fear but fear itself". It was a time of inwardness and retreat from a more positive outlook and being willing to take chances on one's dreams. Attitude about what the future MIGHT hold is so important to investment and taking financial risk.
This is actually the greatest threat to the nation; we can come back from debt but I fear the establishment of a regime that will poison America's usual positive outlook and leadership thus sending the world into a downward spiral. {sigh, I'm really, really angry at John McCain right now.}

re: #130 pink freud

Thank you! And I love my family. They are my world, and we have been truly blessed. As an 'only'? I adore watching the crowd, but my grandkids are and will be onlys, too..not by choice, but they are very close and that means the world to us. The best part is watching NY Grampa with the little ones..it is to me magical, as my both grandfathers died before I was born, and I am named in their memory. Seeing my Dad zt'l with our 4 when they were kids? The memories are beautiful, as is the relationship with my Mum zt'l. They would get up early on a weekend, drive here from Boston, and use their keys to get in! And they got here as a surprise, woke up the kids, made breakfast and took them to Hebrew School. We were kicked out! And they were far more awake than we were! We all had lunch and dinner, and then they left to go home. It is about a 3-3 1/2 drive. My Mum would sleep in the car, while my Dad let it be known that a Boston diver was on the road! Oy! It will be 26 years in March that I lost them, and I still miss them so much.

G'nite! I mean it..honest! Sweet dreams!

What I've been trying to figure out is paid or unpaid foreign lobbyist, & some of the bedfellows from Serbia. Sorry I haven't been talking much, compiling.

R

Trifkovic

910?

thin, very thin, improbable even

re: #140 find your Violent Jihadi on Ebay! What ever good Spencer could have done is undone by his radical fasict associations as they taint everything he says. Now by virtue of what he has done I can't recommend someone pick up his books because however factual the information in them is it is still the ranting of a man who knowingly asscociates with ethnic cleansing people. So now when I recommend to someone to pick up one of spencer's books I become associated with these same radical facists who I don't want winning a war even if it's over their fellow facists the Islamo-facists.

re: #98 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

No excuse for bigotry. Anti-jihad is one thing, but oppressing muslims should be no more tolerated than oppressing blacks, jews, democrats or telephone solicitors.......well, maybe not that last group.

If Spencer had the guts to admit he was on the wrong side of the argument, I believe that many would be willing to give him the 'pass', but everything he says after the fact is just 'attacks', 'excuses' and 'conspiracies'. Not an ounce of humility.

The article on Kosovo was a great read. I have been torn by both sides since living in Bulgaria and speaking with some refugees who escaped during the bombing. Both sides have dirt on their hands, but at the end of the day, it seems the Kosovars have a more 'legitimate' claim to the land than the 'nationalist / communist enforced' border pushed on them by the Serbs. Still a high tension place with wounds on both sides.

I hope Kosovo can keep making positive grounds moving forward in secular and national progress and keep the 'shari'a' line of thought at bay.

re: #140 find your Violent Jihadi on Ebay!

Just checking on the "goodbye" part, it seemed to fit a common pattern.

"...vague guilt-by-association..."

This is where you are wrong. James Jatras is more then just a friend or casual associate to Robert Spencer. Spencer put Jatras on the advisory board of JW. And that's just one piece of dozens in the Spencer puzzle.

Srjda Trifkovic is yet another.

[Link: www.haverford.edu...]

You have a fair amount of reading to do, (and do read the links within that link).

We are not at war with all of Islam. Nor is all of Islam at war with us.

YET,
R

re: #101 Scion9

Honco is not yet in the LGF dictionary.

Is it possible to set up a "LGF Wiki"? Can it be set to allow only those registered at LGF to edit/add? If it is then an ongoing Encyclopedia could be done listing all the varied and sundry words and phrases popularized/used here by the Lizards.

re: #149 Thanos

Srjda Trifkovic - not as thin as you might think.

INBOUND,
R

re: #151 swamprat

The basic standard has always been assimilation. Learning the language, civics, etc. In reverse it was the typical standard to allow integration of different cultures and religions. Such as we allow time for Christmas, Hanukkah, as well as Ramadan. We might have to cut Ramadan down to perhaps the same time as Christmas to the day after New Years.

We can also have Darwin Day and throw darts at Christopher Hitchens.

Thank you, Charles, for posting these two very thorough and thoughtful analyses of the real Robert Spencer.

Based upon Guftaf's piece, I would conclude that Robert Spencer is probably not a racist - a person who believes that persons with dark skin, yellow skin, brown skin, etc. are inferior to those with white skin. Just as Robert Spencer disses white Kosovars because of their religion, he would undoubtedly laud black Christian Africans in Nigeria.

What becomes clear to me is that Robert Spencer truly hates Islam, Robert Spencer refuses to countenance any evidence to the contrary, as was clearly shown in the Michael Totten Kosovo controversy. And Robert Spencer is willing to ally himself with anyone and anything to further his campaign against Islam - even to the point of forgiving the racist ravings of the likes of the British National Party and the tawdry fascist ties of Vlaams Belang in Belgium.

A deluded fool.

re: #156 Gus 802

The basic standard has always been assimilation. Learning the language, civics, etc. In reverse it was the typical standard to allow integration of different cultures and religions. Such as we allow time for Christmas, Hanukkah, as well as Ramadan. We might have to cut Ramadan down to perhaps the same time as Christmas to the day after New Years.

We can also have Darwin Day and throw darts at Christopher Hitchens.

So what will be the solution for the Telephone Solicitor Problem?
I'm for re-education camps.

re: #158 swamprat

I don't have time to dig for it, but if you search my nic here, I left the FCC complaint link in one of my comments from this past week. It does work.

FINES
HURT,
R

re: #158 swamprat Telephone soliciters well I've got a long drop and a short rope perfectly suited to that problem.

re: #160 Rustler
Bah sarc tags are my friend.

re: #68 Teacake!

As difficult as it is, YOU have to leave.

To stay, is to risk more than just your reputation.

You MUST leave.

Start working to this end right now. Something will work out.

Do not wait.

Do not hesitate.

I have been in a similar place.

Be the master of the events that take place in your life, not their victim.

re: #154 jcw46

Is it possible to set up a "LGF Wiki"? Can it be set to allow only those registered at LGF to edit/add? If it is then an ongoing Encyclopedia could be done listing all the varied and sundry words and phrases popularized/used here by the Lizards.

Ay caramba! You must be new around here.

I started the LGF dictionary years ago. After a while of hosting it at zombietime, I no longer had the time to update it. So, I turned it into a "wiki" of sorts, a group blog with about 12 editors, all LGFers.

Well, what happened was that basically none of them had spare time to give to the dictionary either, so it once again fell into non-update-land. And then one of the editors had a falling out with Charles and handed out the blog password to a stalker, who defaced and then erased the dictionary. Luckily, I had a backup, and restored it, but the stalker found a way to log in again, and again defaced it. After that, I shut down the group blog, closed the site permanently, and since that time Charles has hosted the dictionary at LGF.

So, we've been down the "wiki" route, and it didn't work.

Was it in Stripes that Bill Murry said, ''We're all mongrels here?"
I think it was.
What I don't understand about ''supremicists'' (sp?) is that they think there are all of those pure of race persons around when there are not!
Who is of ''pure race?"
Not French people.
Not Germans.
Not Belgians.
CERTAINLY not any Americans!
Their whole belief system is based on a faulty premise.
Just saying you are does not make it so, that's for sure.
As my mom used to say about all of the secular Jews in the family, "You still have enough Jewish blood to be shoved in the ovens, same as the rest of us."

I just re-read that HotAir thread. I think Charles needs a restraining order against a couple of severely obsessed individuals over there. Yikes.

re: #164 mean Gene

Most ethnic nationalists aren't that tied up with the specifics of it. Genetics isn't exactly a factor. It is an old world concept. A relic of the 19th and early 20th century. It was originally formed upon linguistic lines, with German Nationalism, and the Francophone, etc.

The Nazis were really the game changer with their quasi-ethnic nationalism. It has been a murky thing. Jean Marie Le Pen said that his Nationalist France would count those people whose ancestor's bones had been laid to rest in French soil for the past 500 years as French, and no one else. It's not a science thing, but an ephemeral 'feeling' of what qualifies as their 'race'.

re: #166 Scion9

You're making my point.
It's all made up.
One might as well base his belief in some jedi magic force or kwansa mythology.
Why not laugh at the supremicists in derision rather than imbue them with credibility by taking them seriously?

re: #167 mean Gene

Our views of their ideology is irrelevant. They take themselves seriously though; so should we. Our mocking their ideology doesn't make them any less dangerous or unsavory. By all means, laugh at them, but don't trust them.

re: #168 Scion9

Our views of their ideology is irrelevant. They take themselves seriously though; so should we. Our mocking their ideology doesn't make them any less dangerous or unsavory. By all means, laugh at them, but don't trust them.

Mocking really gets Islamists, though.
Why do you think it wouldn't work for someone who knows he's not what he purports to be?
Sure, they are still dangerous and unstable, but what chance do you have in a Geneva-Conventioned-on-one-side-only war with them?

#98

This ongoing conflict between LGF and the anti-jihad bloggers has trivialized and dimished ALL of the parties, including LGF. How is that better than when there was a bit of consensus about what was the burning issue of our time?

Perhaps the turning point was Beslan. There it transpired that Islamists were working hand in hand with Russia's state authorities to terrorize and murder innocent civilians. See Preobrazhensky's article.

re: #169 mean Gene

Mocking really gets Islamists, though.
Why do you think it wouldn't work for someone who knows he's not what he purports to be?
Sure, they are still dangerous and unstable, but what chance do you have in a Geneva-Conventioned-on-one-side-only war with them?

I have no idea what you are even talking about here. What does the Geneva Convention have to do with anything? Any 'war' going on right now between ethnic nationalists and anyone else is a war of words and ideas.

re: #170 halldor

The article doesn't actually say that, matter of factly. It speculates it, and points out the history of State-sponsored terrorism by the FSB, and the use of false flag terror as a tool of the State. It paints a fairly damning picture of modern Russian politics, and its apparent lack of freedom from the "KGB" choke-hold. It doesn't fully implicate anyone in Beslan though. Lets not advocate a 'Beslan Truth' movement here.

There is little question that Ayman Al-Zawahiri was arrested by the FSB in Chechnya in late 1996.

However the circumstances of that arrest and his relatively quick release are very questionable, like everything else in Russia.

However unlikely it may be, it is possible that the Russians simply did not know who he really was when they had him in custody. In Ayman Al-Zawahiri's case the FSB operated against him and in support of the Serbs in Bosnia, had they known who he was when they had him, it is rather unlikely that they would have released him with the war in Chechnya heating up.

There is no doubt that the FSB is not above playing both sides of a conflict against each other for Russia's benefit. Most notably in the Caucasus region. The FSB sometimes operates counter to other Russian intelligence agencies as well.

There is no doubt that the FSB, like its predecessor the KGB, uses long term moles to plant disinformation in foreign media and intelligence, all over the world. As such it is wise to check, double check, and triple check any and all information from Russian sources.

FORT
MEADE
RULES,
R

#172 Scion 9

Lets not advocate a 'Beslan Truth' movement here.

Nonetheless, Marina Litvinovich's article The Truth About Beslan deserves to be widely read and debated - particularly the author's conclusion that

I am sure that this operation was devised by the FSB. Most likely the generals knew about this operation – at that time they were deputy FSB directors V. Pronichev, V. Anisimov and A. Tikhonov who were in Beslan and leading the “heavies” HQ. And of course the operation was agreed with President Putin, perhaps without the details, but in principle: “A storming and no negotiations”. A source in the presidential administration reported that President Putin took the decision in principle to storm the Beslan school at roughly midday on 1 September 2004. History does not forget such decisions.

Let's not advocate a parallel between Beslan and 9/11.

re: #163 zombie
I knew you did the dictionary but I didn't know about the other.
Too bad cause me not having access to the history of LGF is the reason for my post.

Time for an autobiography Charles! (or history)

re: #140 find your Violent Jihadi on Ebay!

It seems to me that the whole case against most of those bloggers is a vague guilt-by-association that, itself, as the sole focus of attention, is almost unbelievably oversimplistic and trite, given the real threat at hand.

These bloggers are promoting neo-nazis as a solution to the islamization of europe. If you had friends who started hanging with nazis, wouldn't you tell them maybe it wasn't such a good idea? And if after telling them that they attacked you and kept hanging with nazis, wouldn't you think that was f*cked up and maybe you had these friends figured wrong from the get go?

re: #42 zombie

Indeed- there is no trick. Only smear.

Let's break this "hoax" theory down, shall we?

First- the oldest comment on that facebook site is from October 26, 2008. That's a substantially long amount of time to dedicate to pulling off a hoax to entrap just one person.

Second- this "hoax" managed to rope in over 300 other people before it got to its intended "target".

Third- the "hoax" required a facebook friend of robert's joining the group and inviting him to join.

Fourth- the "hoax" also required another one of robert's facebook friends blowing the whistle once he was invited to join.

Fifth- the "swift" reaction took 10 hours.

Sixth- the entire "hoax" depended upon robert not paying attention to what he was doing, because according to him, that is his excuse for having joined this group in the first place. Had he been paying attention he wouldn't have joined.

There you have it- a "hoax" so well planned, so dependent upon not only others but the timing of the "victim's" inability to devote attention to what he was doing, that it was a "success".

I agree with Charles' stance of not compromising with even a smidgin of fascism and my opinion of Robert has changed because I started to notice the same pattern. I also agree with this summary except this:

Spencer forgets to state the obvious: That the view that man is born with certain innate qualities based on a predominance of some specific set of chemicals in the parents is false and that it has led to immeasurable suffering through the millenia of man’s history.

Uh, yes, individual people are born with innate qualities based on the genetic makeup of their parents. Denying that worse than denying evolution and helps the cause of liberty not at all. The point is all those people with various genetic make-ups have the inalienable right to life liberty and property and freedom of and from religion.

re: #178 tokyobk

Uh, yes, individual people are born with innate qualities based on the genetic makeup of their parents. Denying that worse than denying evolution and helps the cause of liberty not at all. The point is all those people with various genetic make-ups have the inalienable right to life liberty and property and freedom of and from religion.

I think this is just a semantic issue, in how you read it and what the paragraph was intended to connote. 'Innate qualities' is not a reference to genetic disparity. It is saying that 'innate qualities' such as one's natural rights, has no connection to ones parentage or heritage.

The problem here is, in a very general sense, all too typical. It is the "Fram Oil Filter" redux: you can pay a little now, or a lot later.

What sort of progress is being made in stopping Islamic aggression in the West? I think very little is being made.

Are Muslims in the West increasing their support for Sharia based law? I would say it is increasing.

Is it more or less likely that Muslims are going to keep on killing none Muslims? I would say more likely.

Can you change their minds about killing or subjugating non-muslims? Well, it hasn't really worked all that well up to now.

So, what to do if Muslims won't change?

re: #180 thgrant

No- the problem here is that some people think the answer to your question is to allow ethnic nationalists a seat at the table to discuss what should be done about islamization in the West.

There are still many, many people to educate about islam. For those people, once they see that racists are involved in the movement, they will reject the counter-jihad and that only serves to help the islamists, not those of us who oppose jihad on ideological grounds.

These racists groups, and those who enable them, are an albatross around the neck of those of us who oppose the islamists because they're the antithesis of our ideological foundations.

re: #180 thgrant

Adopt their rough system of thought and government by embracing brutal nationalistic policies, supremacist ideology and xenophobic bigotry. Obviously. Of course, it might just be easier to convert to Islam. Whatever floats your boat; it really comes out the same in the end.

I also understand that beating up 12 year old 'brown' Hindus helps combat the Jihad.
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Thank you all for your helpful words. ANyone who said they had a similar experience - feel free to email me with the story, if you have time for that, and I'd like to know who things got resolved.

Facebook this, facebook that.

Talk about a tempest in a teapot.

Lets see some action in the real world.

re: #15 Charles

I've been ignoring and not responding to Spencer's increasingly vicious attacks for months. Now I'm finished with that. With his latest behavior, smearing me all over the web, and even at Hot Air, he's crossed the final line with me, and I'm not going to ignore it any more.

Glad to hear it, Charles.

So, sharmuta,

What's your solution?

re: #187 Maine's Michael

Are you seriously suggesting mass deportations in your #185?

re: #165 capitalist piglet

I just re-read that HotAir thread. I think Charles needs a restraining order against a couple of severely obsessed individuals over there. Yikes.

You and me both.

re: #189 Maine's Michael

So- you are calling for mass deportations?

re: #191 Sharmuta

So- you are calling for mass deportations?

Yeah he is. He's got no problem advocating the loading up millions of people on trains and forcibly shipping them to...? But somehow the logistics of purging a political movement of bigots is incomprehensible. Then again, I suppose if one is a bigot then advocating removing them would be sort of be self defeating.

re: #192 Scion9

I was a little stunned by the seeming sympathy for the nazis.

Buh bye.

Maine's Michael: you've been here a long time, but I've said many times, in no uncertain terms, that I'm not going to tolerate the kinds of comments you just posted. You're out of here.

And another one.

re: #195 blueboy

And CAIR will be calling robert a nazi soon enough and tarring all of the counter-jihad movement with that brush.

True colors really start showing themselves when you post on this relative subject, Charles. It's a little disconcerting to see how little sway reason has in the world these days.

Wow, thanks for the summary.

I didn't know the half of it.

Internet blogosphere as fin de siècle Vienna. I ask my Starbucks barista for another espresso and return to my virtualized cohort, as we plot strategy against the (modern-day) Ottomans, Czarists and socialists. Hunter Thompson was right: Alphonse Karr was right.

Perhaps old David ben Gurion had the best take on situations like this. To paraphrase:

FIGHT THE JIHADIS AS IF THERE WERE NO "FASCISTS" and THE "FASCISTS" AS IF THERE WERE NO JIHADIS. That is all.

-S-

re: #22 Larry_in_PHX

Thoguh I don't comment often, I have been an avid reader of both yours and Spencers for some time now. I feel like two of my friends "split up" and now I have to choose which I can continue being friends with. It all makes me sad.

Ditto - well said. Lots of respect for Spencer, and Charles. both seem to be fighting the good fight which needs to be fought. I was especially fond of one of Spencer books, "The Truth about Mohammad...."

Is this perhaps a Catholic/non-catholic spat?

re: #203 soccerdad

Is this perhaps a Catholic/non-catholic spat?

No- it's a fascist enabler/fascist non-enabler spat.

re: #198 Sharmuta

a Wiki article about JihadWatch already notes that CAIR considers JihadWatch a hate site...and that Spencer is an "Islamaphobe."

(from the Southern Poverty Law Center) apparently Ann Coulter has now come out in defense of a White supremacist group...(yet another one does a melt down..)

re: #179 Scion9

I take issue with your claim that this is "just a semantic issue". Or do we have a semantic disagreement about the word semantic? You think "some specific set of chemicals" is not a reference to genetic disparity? You think that is referring to RIGHTS!? You really think that our idea of rights is based on "some specific set of chemicals"? Or are you are just saying that is what the author is "connoting" and you don't necessarily agree? In any case, the author also thinks that linking to a site "lends explicit, unqualified support". Something is amiss here Charles...

This is as far as it gets from a semantic issue.

The author in the comments section: "DNA doesn’t carry any ideational content, and therefore plays no part in the shaping of culture"

If the LGF anti-jihad movement is going to through in with the insane radical egalitarians I'm out...

An example off the top of my head: A much higher percent of people of African decent are lactose intolerant compared to Europeans (something like 80% to 20% if I remember correctly) . It makes perfect sense to assume the idea of a "land of milk and honey" could/would not develop in the latter groups "ideational content". But maybe lactose tolerance isn't genetic...

Also, this author calls Spencer's view of man is "at least partially racist." The view that genetics effects culture implies racism?!?!? Have we SERIOUSLY come to this?

re: #190 Irish Rose

You and me both.

Though I don't wish to name anyone, there is one person in particular that I can only conclude has serious "Daddy" issues.

Completely without prompting, he has floated numerous unflattering comments about Charles. Obviously the guy was banned from LGF, and not only can he not let it go, he can't stop talking about it. He talks and talks, but he never feels better. He clearly has trouble reconciling this, like his father rejected him or something - it's just way beyond normal processing of an event like being banned from a discussion forum.

He probably thought he could say anything he wanted to "Dad", no matter how rude he was, and "Dad" would still accept him and let him stay.

/psychoanalyst

re: #188 Sharmuta

My husband’s name is Michael. He is from Maine. He’s joked with me that “Maine’s Michael” is his radical alter-ego sockpuppet, but as we have been offline all weekend visiting family in Quebec City, I can assure you that this is not the case. :)