Ann Coulter and the Council of Conservative Citizens

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In her new book, does Ann Coulter actually defend a white supremacist hate group, claiming they’ve been unfairly branded as “racist?”

Unfortunately, she really does. I’m not taking the Southern Poverty Law Center’s word for it, either; I have the book and I’ve confirmed that everything they say in this article is accurate.

Coulter spends the better part of three pages defending a group called the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), which The New York Times had described as a “thinly veiled white supremacist organization.” Coulter begs to differ. The CCC, Coulter opines, is “a conservative group” that has unfairly been branded as racist “because some of the directors of the CCC had, decades earlier, been leaders of a segregationist group.” “There is no evidence on its Web page that the modern incarnation of the CCC supports segregation,” she says. “Apart from some aggressive reporting on black-on-white crimes — the very crimes that are aggressively hidden by the establishment media — there is little on the CCC website suggesting” that the group is racist. Indeed, its main failing is “containing members who had belonged to a segregationist group thirty years earlier.”

Coulter could hardly be more wrong. And even if she can’t find time to read beyond a page of the CCC’s website, she really ought to know — after all, the organization where she frequently speaks, the Conservative Political Action Committee, has publicly banned the CCC from its annual gathering because it is racist. Also in the late 1990s, Jim Nicholson, then-chairman of the Republican National Committee, asked GOP members to stay away from the CCC because of its “racist and nationalist views.”

How could conservative Republicans be inspired to say such ugly things? Let us count the ways.

The CCC’s columnists have written that black people are “a retrograde species of humanity,” and that non-white immigration is turning the U.S. population into a “slimy brown mass of glop.” Its website has run photographic comparisons of pop singer Michael Jackson and a chimpanzee. It opposes “forced integration” and decries racial intermarriage. It has lambasted black people as “genetically inferior,” complained about “Jewish power brokers,” called gay people “perverted sodomites,” and even named the late Lester Maddox, the baseball bat-wielding, arch-segregationist former governor of Georgia, “Patriot of the Century.”

This is completely beyond the pale.

I won’t link to the CCC website, but it takes about two seconds of looking at their front page to see that it’s a white supremacist site; prominently displayed as I write is an advertisement for “White Pride T-shirts,” apparently run by the neo-Nazi website Stormfront, and a host of articles with a blatantly racist slant—including one that touts the Eurofascist groups (Vlaams Belang, BNP, National Front) that have been the subject of many LGF posts. It stretches credulity to the breaking point to think that Coulter simply missed all of it.

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1142 comments
1 Kragar  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:52:21pm

The moonbats have hijacked the term liberal and the wingnuts have hijacked the term conservative. Aint life grand?

2 dentate  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:52:21pm

The woman does not care. She is an attention whore and will say anything to bring the spotlight and the money. The more outrageous, the better.

3 carefulnow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:52:22pm

The CCofC is already linked on the last thread. Is that a problem?

4 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:52:52pm

She's become a parody of herself.

5 RightKlik  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:53:37pm

Ann Coulter, stirring up controversy for controversy's sake? Never!

6 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:54:28pm
7 screaming_eagle  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:54:42pm

Ann Coulter is all about selling books. She only has an opion for the money.

8 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:54:46pm

re: #4 Sharmuta
She's done a Buchanan and gone around the bend. Buh bye Ann.

9 Indymaestro  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:54:50pm

I wonder if Coulter knows that she's heading into muddied waters with this one.

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:55:03pm

re: #3 carefulnow

The CCofC is already linked on the last thread. Is that a problem?

I took out your links.

11 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:55:18pm

re: #2 dentate

The woman does not care. She is an attention whore and will say anything to bring the spotlight and the money. The more outrageous, the better.

But this is in her book, not a TV spot or something. And the thing is, many people reading her book won't fact check her- they'll just assume she's telling them the truth.

The flip side is though, of the few who may go looking for the CCC site, some might just wake up to the fact some of these pundits on the right aren't all they're cracked up to be.

12 dentate  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:55:36pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

Coulter with her pants down, so to speak.

No thanks. Be my guest.

13 RightKlik  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:55:39pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

Coulter with her pants down, so to speak.

could have done without that mental image...

14 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:55:39pm

Ann Coulter needs to learn the age old proverb "better to keep silent and be thought an idiot then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt".

15 Kragar  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:55:54pm

re: #9 Indymaestro

I wonder if Coulter knows that she's heading into muddied waters with this one.

As long as the books sell and she's in the news, I dont think she cares

16 opnion  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:56:07pm

She is a provocateur. She can be humorous & then she takes it to far & causes cringes.
She is bright enough to know better & she is burning credibility.

17 dentate  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:56:44pm

re: #11 Sharmuta

But this is in her book, not a TV spot or something.

And yet here we are, discussing it....

18 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:56:51pm

There will still be some who will defend her, saying "Oh she's only saying THAT bigoted statement to sell books". How many more of these incidents do those people need?

19 nyc redneck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:57:09pm

re: #16 opnion

She is a provocateur. She can be humorous & then she takes it to far & causes cringes.
She is bright enough to know better & she is burning credibility.

i'm curious to know what, if anything, she has to say abt. this.

20 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:57:34pm

The right has a serious problem on it's hands. We're infested with kooks and they need to go. And I don't want to hear arguments about the moonbats on the left- that's their problem. This one is ours.

21 zombie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:57:41pm

This will be a bombshell.

The Republican Party and the conservative movement are in the process of slo-mo (or fast-mo) self-implosion. Just as the moonbats had hoped.

And it is not the fault of people like Charles pointing things out, but rather the fault of the conservatives swinging over to extremism.

22 dentate  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:58:27pm

re: #18 Bloodnok

There will still be some who will defend her, saying "Oh she's only saying THAT bigoted statement to sell books"

Not much of a defense. This will continue until the cash cow stops giving, i.e., the talk show and book requests come to a halt.

23 carefulnow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:58:53pm

re: #10 Charles

Sorry 'bout dat.

24 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:59:00pm

re: #21 zombie

Do you think someone like Michael Steele may be able to root out some of these extremists, especially those like Coulter who are blatantly supporting white supremacists?

25 ayatollah ghilmeini  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:59:00pm

Hamas Statistics

Hamas lies. It's who they are. Israel set up a group to review casualties. Naturally, Israel's claims about casualty figures are proving accurate and Hamas:

The CLA gave the Post the names of several fatalities who it said had been classified by the Palestinians as "medics," but who it stated were Hamas fighters, including Anas Naim, the nephew of Hamas Health Minister Bassem Naim, who was killed during clashes with the IDF on January 4 in the Sheikh Ajlin neighborhood of Gaza City.

Following the clashes, the Palestinian press reported that Naim was killed and that he was a medic with the Palestinian Red Crescent. The Gaza CLA, however, produced photographs of Naim posing holding a rocket-propelled grenade launcher and a Kalashnikov assault rifle that had been posted on a Hamas Web site.

Gee, they lied!

Not that it matters. The press will buy anything Hamas says even thought they have a history of false claims to say nothing of their looking the other way when western Journos get kidnapped in Gaza and forced to convert to Islam.

26 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:59:03pm

re: #17 dentate

Because she should be exposed for her lying. It's called integrity. Why should anyone on the right cover for her?

27 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:59:13pm

re: #16 opnion

She is a provocateur. She can be humorous & then she takes it to far & causes cringes.
She is bright enough to know better & she is burning credibility.

To me, that's the point. In this day and age, there is NO excuse for willful ignorance.

28 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:59:44pm

Coulter and Ron Paul are both scheduled to speak at CPAC.

29 J.S.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 3:59:58pm

I've noticed that once started down a certain path, the slide to the bottom seems to quicken a pace...for many, anyway -- both on the extreme right and the extreme left (even the language -- it keeps getting more and more extreme, more outrageous, more unsupportable -- it's as if they become habituated and require higher and higher doses of rhetorical flare...pretty sad.)

30 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:00:03pm

re: #20 Sharmuta

The right has a serious problem on it's hands. We're infested with kooks and they need to go. And I don't want to hear arguments about the moonbats on the left- that's their problem. This one is ours.

and where do we go from here?...a new party is almost out of the question...how can we redeam the GOP?...education?...that's almost impossible in this day and age...I am very pesimistic

31 Kragar  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:00:18pm

re: #28 Charles

Coulter and Ron Paul are both scheduled to speak at CPAC.

All they need now is Pat Buchanan

32 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:00:33pm

re: #21 zombie

This will be a bombshell.

The Republican Party and the conservative movement are in the process of slo-mo (or fast-mo) self-implosion. Just as the moonbats had hoped.

And it is not the fault of people like Charles pointing things out, but rather the fault of SOME OF the conservatives swinging over to extremism.



Not all conservatives are going to the extremes.

33 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:00:49pm

re: #28 Charles
Good Lord! Why?

34 BingoBunny  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:03pm

I've read and liked every one of Ann's books.. she can defend herself on this I'm sure.. racism isn't needed to make her points against Liberals/ communists of the American left. Do or don't they have sites linked to Pally murder groups like Hammas? Small nit picking IMO to quote a place she mentions as racist.. so?.. I'll stay with the big picture.

35 dentate  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:04pm

re: #26 Sharmuta

Because she should be exposed for her lying. It's called integrity. Why should anyone on the right cover for her?

Agreed, 110%. The speaking engagements, talk show interviews, and book deals need to stop. Then, so will she.

36 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:14pm

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All they need now is Pat Buchanan

Trifecta!...here's my 2$

37 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:16pm

re: #17 dentate

And yet here we are, discussing it....

Exposure goes a long way.

38 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:29pm

I'm tired of the excuse that she's just being controversial to sell books and get publicity. She's a bigot. She's always been a bigot. She's been more openly racist, homophobic and antisemitic than Pat Buchanan.

39 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:41pm

re: #21 zombie

And it is not the fault of people like Charles pointing things out, but rather the fault of the conservatives swinging over to extremism.

Thought that deserved being repeated.

40 dentate  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:43pm

re: #28 Charles

Coulter and Ron Paul are both scheduled to speak at CPAC.

Well, Charles, maybe the magic of LGF exposure will get that invite rescinded?

41 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:47pm

Charles, this is the 2nd person this week you've tricked into supporting white nationalist groups. Unbelievable.
/

42 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:48pm

re: #32 MandyManners
Nope, but unfortunetly these are the ones the msm gives air time to.

43 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:53pm

There are Reagan (R)epublicans from the south, and then there are Wallace (r)epublicans from the neoconfederacy. I hope most of my friends from the south are the former, not the latter.

44 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:01:58pm

The first ad one sees over there is for "white pride" T shirts on a trailer waif.

And the first post in the discussion areas is the following (followed thereafter by a bunch of "me too's". Coulter has really outdone herself here.

Wasn't it awful? First that Purpose Driven co-hauler Rick Warner thanked God for a Black President, and said that Martin Luther King is smiling in Heaven as if he actually made it. Then how Messianic was that little speech of Hussein Obama's? He talked about how his election reaffirms our founding ideals and documents (WTF), how we're overcoming "racism" through his election and how that will inspire the Middle-East, how his daddy couldn't have eaten at a lunch counter 60 years ago, and all that crap about "freedom and equality." Uh! And his quote by Washington made no mention that that racially aware freedom loving Christian is rolling over in his grave. And how about that Black preacher named Lowry reciting the Black national anthem in his closing prayer, what's with that?

45 Wilderstad  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:02:05pm

What is it with all these individuals shooting themselves, and the legitimate reaction against fascist Islam, in the foot?

46 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:02:25pm

re: #41 rightwinger3

Charles, this is the 2nd person this week you've tricked into supporting white nationalist groups. Unbelievable.
/

ROFLMAO!

47 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:02:52pm

re: #35 dentate

I haven't purchased any of her books in years. I don't have cable so I can't watch her on fox or anywhere else. But decent conservatives shunning her would go a long way.

48 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:02:58pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

I'm tired of the excuse that she's just being controversial to sell books and get publicity. She's a bigot. She's always been a bigot. She's been more openly racist, homophobic and antisemitic than Pat Buchanan.

personally I concede...I defended her just a few days ago...nemaste

49 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:03:11pm

re: #30 albusteve

and where do we go from here?...a new party is almost out of the question...how can we redeam the GOP?...education?...that's almost impossible in this day and age...I am very pesimistic

I think that if a strong person can begin a third party movement, it may gather steam especially since America has run out of options. A party based on fiscal conservatism, limited government, low taxes, and free market economics may have a chance.

50 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:03:21pm

re: #42 pingjockey

Nope, but unfortunetly these are the ones the msm gives air time to.

Maybe it's time the GOP starts straightening this shit out.

51 Cathypop  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:03:31pm

re: #32 MandyManners

Not all conservatives are going to the extremes.

I agree with Mandy.

52 J.S.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:03:33pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Personally, I figure Buchanan is the more dangerous of the two...(due to his non-usage of highly inflammatory rhetoric.)

53 brookly red  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:03:39pm

re: #2 dentate

The woman does not care. She is an attention whore and will say anything to bring the spotlight and the money. The more outrageous, the better.

Actually, I am not that judgmental. BUT having said that, yes, she makes money doing this. So I see no reason to further ask why...

54 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:03:48pm

Coulter has again crossed the line. It's gonna get tougher and tougher for her to peddle her mularky as people figure this out.

55 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:04:20pm

re: #50 MandyManners
We can only hope Michael Steele has a big shovel and a well broke in clue by four to get the job done!

56 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:04:22pm

re: #48 albusteve

Peace.

57 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:04:30pm

re: #43 Thanos

There are Reagan (R)epublicans from the south, and then there are Wallace (r)epublicans from the neoconfederacy. I hope most of my friends from the south are the former, not the latter.

Wallace was a Democrat.

58 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:04:39pm

re: #41 rightwinger3

Charles, this is the 2nd person this week you've tricked into supporting white nationalist groups. Unbelievable.
/

Now that's funny.

59 dentate  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:05:02pm

re: #53 brookly red

Actually, I am not that judgmental.

She certainly never has a problem with being judgmental, though, does she? What goes around....

60 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:05:41pm

re: #52 J.S.

Personally, I figure Buchanan is the more dangerous of the two...(due to his non-usage of highly inflammatory rhetoric.)


Buchanan is much more subtle but it's sad to see conservatives making excuses for her blatant bigotry.

61 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:05:42pm

re: #49 Jetpilot1101

I think that if a strong person can begin a third party movement, it may gather steam especially since America has run out of options. A party based on fiscal conservatism, limited government, low taxes, and free market economics may have a chance.

if there is some groundswell I'll toss myself behind it...I'm sort of a follower but once I get going I'll go all out...I'm in

62 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:05:47pm

This is Ann Coulter's Trent Lott moment.

Only what she's done is worse...

(BTW, Coulter's take on Trent Lott is here.)

63 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:05:50pm

re: #57 MandyManners
Was not, he was a member of good standing in the Idjit Party.

64 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:06:14pm

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize a group called the "CCC" is just a "kinder, gentler" KKK. They chose CCC to sound like KKK; they had to.
What do they do? Light battery-powered electric crosses on lawns?

65 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:06:25pm
66 Amer-I-Can  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:06:33pm

AC has sold herself out for the almighty dollar. It's all about the money, and her conservative "values", if you can call them that, are a mockery.

67 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:06:35pm

re: #50 MandyManners

Maybe it's time the GOP starts straightening this shit out.

that would be the best case...again...whats Steele have to say?

68 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:06:42pm

re: #51 Cathypop

We have one heckuva' job in front of us.

69 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:06:49pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

Coulter with her pants down, so to speak.

Now you've done it. There will be no sleep at FreeRepublic tonight.

70 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:06:51pm

re: #57 MandyManners

And if you read "Coming for to Carry Me Home", you'll learn that George Wallace started his political career as a liberal, pro-civil-rights Democrat, but switched to a racist when he realized it would advance his political career.

71 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:06:52pm

re: #64 Kosh's Shadow
Plus they wear paisley sheets.

72 JHW  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:06:53pm

Just follow the links (many,many of them) on the Wiki article on the CCC and you'll find many suspect associations. These groups shsre one thing with their counterparts on the extreme left, they tend to hide behind innocuous names.

73 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:07:08pm

Well, I just went to the CCC web site to have a quick look to see what it was all about. Wouldn't you know. They have a banner ad for "White Pride" t-shirts.

This is a big liability at this point to have Coulter speak at CPAC.

74 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:07:13pm

re: #55 pingjockey

We can only hope Michael Steele has a big shovel and a well broke in clue by four to get the job done!

I hope many heads went *pop* when he took over the GOP.

75 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:07:20pm

re: #21 zombie

This will be a bombshell.

The Republican Party and the conservative movement are in the process of slo-mo (or fast-mo) self-implosion. Just as the moonbats had hoped.

And it is not the fault of people like Charles pointing things out, but rather the fault of the conservatives swinging over to extremism.

zombie, I frankly don't know what any of our politician's -Democrat or Republican- think, they think, they are doing but IF there is going to be an implosion it won't be just one party.

76 J.S.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:07:34pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Yes. Although I don't see myself as that much of a "conservative" ("independent" I suppose...meaning I don't support either the "right-wing" nor the "left-wing"...)

77 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:07:38pm

re: #52 J.S.

Personally, I figure Buchanan is the more dangerous of the two...(due to his non-usage of highly inflammatory rhetoric.)


Well, he ain't that pretty but, I know what you mean.

78 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:08:08pm

re: #74 MandyManners
You and me both.

79 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:08:12pm

re: #71 pingjockey

Plus they wear paisley sheets.

Or snuggies.

80 Antilles  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:08:12pm

For awhile, I've suspected that Ann Coulter is actually a stealth liberal who's only pretending to be on the right so as to make conservatives looks bad. This only adds to my suspicion.

81 thefallingman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:08:16pm

I don't think there is any thing nefarious here. So many people have missed the lessons of history. Like when we sided with the Soviets against the Nazis. It didn't quite work out then, either.

82 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:08:32pm

re: #63 pingjockey

Was not, he was a member of good standing in the Idjit Party.

The Chairman thereof!

83 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:08:52pm

re: #80 Antilles

For awhile, I've suspected that Ann Coulter is actually a stealth liberal who's only pretending to be on the right so as to make conservatives looks bad. This only adds to my suspicion.

I feel the same way about fox news.

84 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:08:55pm

re: #64 Kosh's Shadow

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize a group called the "CCC" is just a "kinder, gentler" KKK. They chose CCC to sound like KKK; they had to.
What do they do? Light battery-powered electric crosses on lawns?

SPEW

85 Truck Monkey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:08:59pm

I don't know as that I would want to see Ann Coulter exposed. Brain bleach.

86 kingkenrod  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:09:03pm

I had never heard of the CCC until I heard Ann bring them up in her book. From her description (defense) in her book, they sounded like a racist organization to me and I couldn't understand why she was even bothering.

87 stevieray  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:09:08pm

When the cold war ended, some said it was "the end of history"... all the great conflicts were settled. Others, wiser it turns out, wondered what would rise up and become the new dividing line around which all conflicts would revolve. I guess we know now. Welcome to the Age of Ethnic Nationalism (again).

Ethnic nationalism/chauvinism is everywhere. White power groups seem to be growing. Separatist movements are endemic the world round. The foundation of multiculturalism is ethnic nationalism -- just kiss the ring of your social engineer overlords, and your group will be treated as an endangered cultural species... complete with rosy propaganda and the soft glow of legitimacy.

I have no patience or sympathy for any of them.

88 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:09:10pm

re: #44 Naso Tang

The first ad one sees over there is for "white pride" T shirts on a trailer waif.

And the first post in the discussion areas is the following (followed thereafter by a bunch of "me too's". Coulter has really outdone herself here.

That T-shirt company is apparently run by Stormfront, the neo-Nazi website. One of the people shown modeling the shirts is the son of Stormfront's owner, Don Black.

89 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:09:22pm

re: #79 Kosh's Shadow
Bwahahaha! "Yo Bubba, check out ma' new snuggie"

90 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:09:28pm

re: #62 Dar ul Harb

Well, that last link should really have been on "here" rather than "Trent Lott," but y'all know what I mean.

91 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:09:54pm

re: #67 albusteve

that would be the best case...again...whats Steele have to say?

You're asking me?

92 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:09:55pm

Oh yeah. Reading an article they have regarding Dresden. Yep, big time. The article is slanted towards the Neo-nazis.

93 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:10:11pm

re: #83 Sharmuta

I feel the same way about fox news.

push...FOX is poison...the slow kind

94 thefallingman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:10:25pm

re: #43 Thanos
I'm from Alabama and steeped in the history of my home. Wallace was a democrat.

95 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:10:31pm

re: #70 quickjustice

And if you read "Coming for to Carry Me Home", you'll learn that George Wallace started his political career as a liberal, pro-civil-rights Democrat, but switched to a racist when he realized it would advance his political career.

He was a Democrat, through and through.

96 brookly red  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:10:35pm

re: #59 dentate

She certainly never has a problem with being judgmental, though, does she? What goes around....

Nope, you pretty much summed it up. I just use kinder speak... and yes, this really this is more about money than principals IMHO.

97 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:10:52pm

re: #93 albusteve

That's how I see Coulter. She's an exponent of the "Foxification" of the conservative movement if there is one.

98 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:10:52pm

re: #82 MandyManners
I'm old enough to remember that loon running for president. Also "Blazing Saddles" is 35 this year. OMG!

99 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:11:01pm

re: #57 MandyManners

Wallace was a Democrat.

Right you are. But so was a lot of the membership of the CoCC at one time. Racists and Racialists don't care about our concept of "left" or "Right" their prime issue is skin color, white supremacy, and sometimes "white Christian Supremacy".

100 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:11:18pm

My advice. Remove her from speaking at CPAC.

101 So?  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:11:22pm

re: #2 dentate

The woman does not care. She is an attention whore and will say anything to bring the spotlight and the money. The more outrageous, the better.

RIGHT ON THE MONEY!

102 dentate  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:11:57pm

re: #88 Charles

Stormfront's owner, Don Black.

The owner of the white supremacy site is named Black? What irony. Or not. Probably got teased about it by his Aryan buddies all his life.

103 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:12:01pm

re: #91 MandyManners

You're asking me?

well not you actually...but if you called him I bet he'd listen :)

104 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:12:08pm

re: #80 Antilles

For awhile, I've suspected that Ann Coulter is actually a stealth liberal who's only pretending to be on the right so as to make conservatives looks bad. This only adds to my suspicion.

The name Coulter does sound a bit like Colbert.

/coincidence?

105 DoubleU  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:12:17pm
as I write is an advertisement for “White Pride T-shirts,”

"Black pride" T-shirts are still ok?

106 Cathypop  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:12:36pm

re: #87 stevieray

Very scary but very true,

107 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:12:53pm

re: #100 Gus 802

My advice. Remove her from speaking at CPAC.

Someone should walk up to the stage and hand her a white pride t-shirt.

108 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:13:00pm

re: #99 Thanos

Right you are. But so was a lot of the membership of the CoCC at one time. Racists and Racialists don't care about our concept of "left" or "Right" their prime issue is skin color, white supremacy, and sometimes "white Christian Supremacy".

They have stepped out of the two-party system. I don't think that the GOP will have anything to do with them.

109 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:13:10pm

Fox is controlled by Murdoch. I've met him, briefly, and I'd say that he's an opportunistic conservative who can "do business" with Democrats, including, for example, Bill and Hillary Clinton.

110 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:13:15pm

re: #98 pingjockey

I'm old enough to remember that loon running for president. Also "Blazing Saddles" is 35 this year. OMG!

I remember when he got shot.

111 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:13:17pm

re: #107 Sharmuta

That would be something wouldn't it?

112 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:13:23pm

re: #97 Gus 802

That's how I see Coulter. She's an exponent of the "Foxification" of the conservative movement if there is one.

yes...it's becoming too clear...Sharmuta is exactly right...beware

113 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:13:37pm

re: #100 Gus 802

They were insane to invite her in the first place. She'll almost certainly give a speech witch racial/ethnic/homophobic slurs and conservatives will continue to defend her. This isn't anything we don't already know about her. I don't expect anything to change.

114 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:13:44pm

re: #107 Sharmuta

Someone should walk up to the stage and hand her a white pride t-shirt.

DOUBLE-DOG DARE YA'!

115 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:14:00pm

re: #107 Sharmuta
Ouch! That'd leave a mark. Rex Harrison and Charlton Heston butting heads on the Sistine Chapel on TMC.

116 Truck Monkey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:14:12pm

re: #105 DoubleU

"Black pride" T-shirts are still ok?

Yes. In vouge actually. Worn with pride all across the land.

117 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:14:17pm

It's going to take something as drastic as Michael Steele or sitting Reps and Senators saying "Buchanan and Coulter have no place in the Republican party of today." Call talk radio and speak as a conservative against these people, write a letter to the editor. Write to your local reps. Write to the RNC. Tell your friends. I don't know how successful any of this would be, but we know that these people will not remove themselves and the left is all too happy to give them the rope they need to hang the right.

118 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:14:18pm

re: #111 Gus 802

Yes. "Here's a t-shirt from I got off that site you said wasn't racist, Ann. Hope you like it!"

119 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:14:28pm

re: #103 albusteve

well not you actually...but if you called him I bet he'd listen :)

I'm thinking of what to put into my letter to him.

120 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:14:30pm

re: #107 Sharmuta

Someone should walk up to the stage and hand her a white pride t-shirt.

Is there any doubt she'd put it on? She lives for that sort of thing. She's an envelope-pusher.

121 Cathypop  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:14:31pm

re: #114 MandyManners
Get me there and I'll do it. Double dog dare you!

122 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:14:31pm

re: #112 albusteve

Hate to say it but Glenn Beck might be another one. At least in style. We honestly don't need these guys. We need more people like William F. Buckley again. People with some class and a normal speaking volume.

123 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:14:36pm

re: #98 pingjockey

I'm old enough to remember that loon running for president. Also "Blazing Saddles" is 35 this year. OMG!

And the President is a n****r!
(He says the president is a-coming)

124 vagabond trader  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:14:52pm

We need a voice of reason who will fearlessly condemn those who give conservatism a bad rap. A William F Buckley, who, btw, exposed Buchanan for the bigot that he is.

125 Morganfrost  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:15:00pm

Crap. You blew it, Ann. I'm all for baiting liberals, and you're generally good at that. I'm afraid, however, that you just completely vacated the moral high ground. As if conservatives didn't have enough troubles these days... the moral high ground was just about all we had left.

126 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:15:45pm

re: #117 Bloodnok

It's going to take something as drastic as Michael Steele or sitting Reps and Senators saying "Buchanan and Coulter have no place in the Republican party of today." Call talk radio and speak as a conservative against these people, write a letter to the editor. Write to your local reps. Write to the RNC. Tell your friends. I don't know how successful any of this would be, but we know that these people will not remove themselves and the left is all too happy to give them the rope they need to hang the right.

That would be drastic but, it needs to be done.

127 Indymaestro  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:15:46pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

I haven't purchased any of her books in years. I don't have cable so I can't watch her on fox or anywhere else. But decent conservatives shunning her would go a long way.

Uh, you do realize that you're logged on to this vast interconnected network ("internet", if you will) from where you can find numerous forms of media for free, right? Even Ann Coulter clips.

128 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:16:06pm

re: #120 capitalist piglet

Is there any doubt she'd put it on? She lives for that sort of thing. She's an envelope-pusher.

And I say, let her! Let her embrace the nazis if she wants to. Nothing would kill her career quicker.

129 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:16:30pm

Does anyone know what Rush has said about her? About Buchanan?

130 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:16:35pm

All these folks (Coulter, Buchanan, Atlas Shrugs, etc.) defending racists groups is not only vile, it is downright dangerous. For years, neo-nazi groups were mostly marginalized and relegated to the sidelines but with high profile folks beginning to support them, they stand to make a comeback. Can you imagine even one of these idiots winning a seat in the house of representatives, not running as a neo-nazi but as "anti-jihad" or "anti-terror"? With support from folks like Coulter and Buchanan, they may have a chance.

131 vagabond trader  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:16:42pm

re: #122 Gus 802

GMTA!

132 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:16:42pm

re: #70 quickjustice

And if you read "Coming for to Carry Me Home", you'll learn that George Wallace started his political career as a liberal, pro-civil-rights Democrat, but switched to a racist when he realized it would advance his political career.

As I recall, Al Gore was a pro-life conservative in his early political career.

133 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:16:56pm

re: #110 MandyManners
Yeppers. Gettin' old ain't for sissys'. I have more common connections to events with my parents than I do with my kids or my better half. She says I wasn't robbing the cradle, she went grave robbing! (12 years difference) Mwahaha!

134 So?  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:17:27pm

I wonder what Drudge will have to say. She was a favorite guest of his when he had his talk radio show. She showed up every second week.

135 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:17:28pm

re: #105 DoubleU

"Black pride" T-shirts are still ok?

You don't get out of this by pointing at "Black Pride" t-shirts. That T-shirt site is run by neo-Nazis. And NOBODY wears a "White Pride" t-shirt except racists.

This is a really tedious excuse.

136 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:17:29pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

They were insane to invite her in the first place. She'll almost certainly give a speech witch racial/ethnic/homophobic slurs and conservatives will continue to defend her. This isn't anything we don't already know about her. I don't expect anything to change.

a recap will be in order...I look foreward to it...stuff is moving behind the will of the people...if they are influencing politics on behalf of the electorate I want to hear the words and judge for myself

137 DoubleU  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:18:03pm

re: #130 Jetpilot1101

Ask and you shall receive.

138 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:18:06pm

re: #130 Jetpilot1101

All these folks (Coulter, Buchanan, Atlas Shrugs, etc.) defending racists groups is not only vile, it is downright dangerous. For years, neo-nazi groups were mostly marginalized and relegated to the sidelines but with high profile folks beginning to support them, they stand to make a comeback. Can you imagine even one of these idiots winning a seat in the house of representatives, not running as a neo-nazi but as "anti-jihad" or "anti-terror"? With support from folks like Coulter and Buchanan, they may have a chance.

Apparently Europe isn't alone in their antijihadi people having a fascist fellow traveler problem.

139 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:18:28pm
140 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:18:38pm

Dinner time. bbiaw

141 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:18:44pm

re: #123 Kosh's Shadow
Ahahaha! 'He says the President is near"

142 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:18:47pm

re: #94 thefallingman

I'm from Alabama and steeped in the history of my home. Wallace was a democrat.

Correct, as was the original leadership components of CoCC, they worked on Wallace's campaign. It's good to know the genesis, which is why I brought it up. If someone tries to tell you that this group is "Traditional Republican" now you can set them straight.

143 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:19:09pm

re: #139 albusteve

a veiled threat may be appropriate...jus sayin

Threat? To the head of the GOP? Are you out of your fucking mind?

144 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:19:09pm

re: #105 DoubleU

"Black pride" T-shirts are still ok?

I wouldn't be caught dead wearing either. One doesn't excuse the other.

145 DoubleU  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:19:16pm

re: #135 Charles

Why is one accepted and the other rejected?

146 horse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:19:24pm

It appears CCC was set up by Samuel Francis and followers, that says it all.

147 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:20:02pm

re: #139 albusteve
What? Why? Steele IMO is a good guy.

148 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:20:30pm

re: #137 DoubleU

Ask and you shall receive.

Thank you for proving my point. These type of endorsements are dangerous and folks like Coulter and Buchanan MUST be marginalized and shown the door.

149 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:20:42pm

re: #145 DoubleU

Why is one accepted and the other rejected?

What does that have to do with this?

The "other" T-shirts are rejected because they're being sold by FREAKING NEO-NAZIS.

Is this a hard point to grasp?

150 stevieray  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:20:47pm

re: #142 Thanos

They will infiltrate any party that lets them.

151 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:20:50pm

re: #122 Gus 802

Hate to say it but Glenn Beck might be another one. At least in style. We honestly don't need these guys. We need more people like William F. Buckley again. People with some class and a normal speaking volume.

I hate the MSM and that includes FOX....whatever the blowback I get...these people ultimately represent themselves, their bosses and their ratings...so be it...I will have no part of it

152 So?  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:20:57pm

re: #21 zombie

This will be a bombshell.

The Republican Party and the conservative movement are in the process of slo-mo (or fast-mo) self-implosion. Just as the moonbats had hoped.

And it is not the fault of people like Charles pointing things out, but rather the fault of the conservatives swinging over to extremism.

I think they imploded when they ran McCain.

153 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:21:49pm

re: #146 horse

It appears CCC was set up by Samuel Francis and followers, that says it all.

Bingo

154 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:21:52pm
155 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:21:54pm

re: #145 DoubleU

Tu quoque is a logical fallacy.

156 vagabond trader  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:21:59pm

re: #152 So?

They imploded when Reagan left office.

157 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:22:07pm

re: #142 Thanos

Correct, as was the original leadership components of CoCC, they worked on Wallace's campaign. It's good to know the genesis, which is why I brought it up. If someone tries to tell you that this group is "Traditional Republican" now you can set them straight.

Southern racists were willing to be Democrats as long as Republicans were the party of Lincoln and Democrats were the party of segregation forever and Jim Crow. When the national Democratic Party embraced the Civil Rights acts and the Republicans started talking in come-hither law and order code-speak, the Solid South solidly switched parties.

158 monique  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:22:28pm

I visited their site to see exactly what it was all about. I don't think I've ever met a white supremacist...but I thought they were young white men, with shaved heads, tattoos on their necks and bad teeth.

I clicked on "pictures" and lo and behold..they're old people...with gray hair, glasses and plaid shirts.

Color me surprised.

159 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:22:48pm
160 brookly red  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:22:59pm

re: #135 Charles

Sir, not to stir the pot, but any (fill in the blank) pride has a separatist agenda, no?

161 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:23:37pm

re: #154 buzzsawmonkey

But they're 100% long-staple cotton!

/sarc

These groups would love to have slave picked cotton if they could.
They're no good.

162 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:24:08pm

re: #160 brookly red

Sir, not to stir the pot, but any (fill in the blank) pride has a separatist agenda, no?

So what?

163 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:24:18pm

#159, [deleted]

Wow, that was quick.

164 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:24:27pm

re: #135 Charles

You don't get out of this by pointing at "Black Pride" t-shirts. That T-shirt site is run by neo-Nazis. And NOBODY wears a "White Pride" t-shirt except racists.

This is a really tedious excuse.

The only white people without an ethnic/cultural subgroup of their own to take "pride" in, are the "white pride" losers.

165 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:24:56pm

re: #160 brookly red

This isn't about "fill in the blank group". This is about Ann lying about racists who sell white pride t-shirts from nazis.

166 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:25:31pm

re: #160 brookly red

Not necessarily. I don't consider someone wearing an Irish Pride T-shirt on St. Patrick's day as being an Irish separatist. However, from my experience living around B-more, any adult wearing black pride/power slogans on their gear is 99.9% like to be a hardcore racist.

167 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:25:32pm

If you want to do some background on their site use Web Archive and check out the previous years web pages. Goes back to 1996.

[Link: web.archive.org...]

I won't post the associated link here.

168 zombie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:25:33pm

re: #32 MandyManners

Not all conservatives are going to the extremes.

That's what I meant -- "the fault of those conservatives who are..."

Sorry for the semi-misstatement.

169 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:25:42pm

re: #165 Sharmuta
BINGO! I hate nazis.

170 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:26:11pm

re: #147 pingjockey

What? Why? Steele IMO is a good guy.

I just mean in terms of support...I like him too and hope he takes measures to do whatever he can to clean up the GOP and get some candidates up front we are comfortable supporting...

171 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:26:19pm

I just posted a link from Canadian blogger Kathy Shaidle who is a Coulter fan

[Link: www.fivefeetoffury.com...]

I hope it is okay with Charles.

172 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:26:19pm

They have a special meeting every four years, it'll be interesting to see which R's trot down to speak. There's usually a couple.

173 screaming_eagle  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:26:29pm

re: #144 Scion9

I wouldn't be caught dead wearing either. One doesn't excuse the other.

I think that was his point.

174 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:27:18pm

Wonder if someone like O'Reilly or say, Hannity, will try to interview her and point out her error. She probably wouldn't back down in public, but maybe it would teach her a lesson.

175 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:27:19pm

re: #170 albusteve
Ah, much clearer. But don't threaten. Ask, suggest, etc...

176 zombie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:27:26pm

re: #75 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

zombie, I frankly don't know what any of our politician's -Democrat or Republican- think, they think, they are doing but IF there is going to be an implosion it won't be just one party.

Despite Obama's victory, I think the Dem Party has already discredited itself. They just have a better PR firm (known as the Mainstream Media).

177 guftafs  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:27:27pm

Coulter has some good insights. Then stuff like this. Also, her views on evolution are ... interesting.

178 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:27:31pm

re: #166 Scion9

Not necessarily. I don't consider someone wearing an Irish Pride T-shirt on St. Patrick's day as being an Irish separatist. However, from my experience living around B-more, any adult wearing black pride/power slogans on their gear is 99.9% like to be a hardcore racist.


Ditto for anyone wearing a "white pride" slogan.

179 thefallingman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:27:45pm

re: #142 Thanos
Good. I've always held that the real position of the democrats (since the 1840s) is the acquisition and maintenance of power at all costs. Really, Wallace started off fairly moderate on race for a man of his time. He became a staunch segregationist after he lost his first bid for governor and then did a complete 180 once he saw the power of blacks to vote. Power was the only thing Wallace (and democrats in general) cared about.

180 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:28:07pm

Why is it so hard for people to look at another person and see just another person? Why do some people insists on seeing color, religion, race, or sexual orientation when they look at another human? Good grief human race, let it go! Don't we have enough problems on this planet (poverty, hunger, etc.) without creating artificial ones?

181 So?  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:28:11pm

I wouldn't be caught dead wearing an "alligator" t-shirt.

182 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:28:19pm
183 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:28:43pm

She pissed me off earlier this week by calling Olberman a woman.

Calling someone a "woman" as an insult is misogynistic.

184 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:28:59pm

re: #183 Sharmuta

lol

185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:29:11pm

I'll never forget seeing a very solemn family at the grave-site of Jefferson Davis. 10 year old was wearing a t-shirt with a rebel flag emblazoned across it caption reads "Keep it pure!".

License plate, Indiana.

Shudder.

186 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:29:14pm

re: #171 winston06

I just posted a link from Canadian blogger Kathy Shaidle who is a Coulter fan

[Link: www.fivefeetoffury.com...]

I hope it is okay with Charles.

That article is ludicrous and deceptive. He claims Coulter is being quoted out of context -- I have the book, and she is NOT being quoted out of context.

The charge, by the way, is not that Coulter herself is a white supremacist. It's that she is defending a blatantly, openly white supremacist group -- and that charge is TRUE.

187 zombie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:29:18pm

re: #180 Jetpilot1101

Nice sentiment -- but xenophobia is hardwired into our psyches. It will be a LOOOOOONG time before racism and other forms of chauvinism will disappear. Sad, but true.

188 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:29:51pm

re: #186 Charles

That's fine. I just thought we could cover both sides

189 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:29:53pm

re: #175 pingjockey

Ah, much clearer. But don't threaten. Ask, suggest, etc...

I certainly didnt mean it like that....I met politically in terms of support

190 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:30:03pm

re: #184 winston06

Sorry, but.... what's so funny about my comment?

191 vagabond trader  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:30:05pm

re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Indiana was a KKK hotspot in the 1920s.

192 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:30:25pm

There's nothing dishonest about the SPLC's article.

193 So?  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:30:40pm

Well, here's something that came to mind last night that seems apropo.

"Ultimately, we are not constructed of DNA, but of words.

---Mastah So?

194 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:31:00pm
195 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:31:30pm

re: #190 Sharmuta

how you said it ;-)

196 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:31:40pm

re: #187 zombie

Nice sentiment -- but xenophobia is hardwired into our psyches. It will be a LOOOOOONG time before racism and other forms of chauvinism will disappear. Sad, but true.

Well I'll be doing my part, the little that it is, to teach my kids to treat others with respect regardless of color, religion, race, or sexual orientation.

197 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:31:48pm

re: #173 screaming_eagle

I take him to mean the opposite. That because 'black pride', and adoration of Malcolm X, and the BPP is socially acceptable, that we should just roll out the welcome mat for the neoconfederates; which is usually where that line of argumentation goes.

Racism isn't a positive quality, and you don't combat it with more racism. If some black radical wants to be openly racist, by all means, it is a free country. Obviously there are enough people who know what that means that I don't need to kit myself out like a skinhead as some kind of social statement; nor would I walk shoulder to shoulder with someone who would. The only reason to make a racist political/social statement is if you are actually a racist.

198 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:31:52pm

re: #188 winston06

That's fine. I just thought we could cover both sides

But that's not a "side" at all. Whoever wrote that came up with absolutely nothing to defend Coulter -- except smears against the SPLC for taking her words out of context -- which they did not do. He provided no examples to back up his claims.

199 jones  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:31:55pm

Charles,

OT, but I wrote and never heard back.

When I uptick/downtick, quote, or reply inside a thread, I am bumped to the homepage.

What can I do to fix?

200 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:32:23pm

re: #183 Sharmuta
It is misogynistic, but damn funny. (Sorry) I wish she could've come up with a better insult. I guess calling him a woman in her mind was bad, but sheesh, she's an author, use that damn big vocabulary for a really good, nasty insult. Calling a guy a woman is weak.

201 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:32:28pm

re: #198 Charles

it is a SHE. One of the victims of Canada's human rights commission.

202 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:32:32pm

re: #130 Jetpilot1101

I wonder why Pamela is a member of all the LGF Facebook pages?

203 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:32:48pm

re: #199 jones

clear your cache and refresh the page.

204 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:32:50pm

re: #195 winston06

Well, I could give two shits about Olberman, but I have a serious problem with another woman using our gender as an insult.

205 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:32:51pm

re: #192 Charles

There's nothing dishonest about the SPLC's article.

They are lefties, but they fact check and triple source. They aren't stupid.

206 So?  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:33:29pm

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

I was never a Lacoste kind a guy.

207 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:33:34pm

re: #204 Sharmuta

i understand that

208 jones  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:33:39pm

I ahve no idea what clear the cache means. And it has been going on for weeks.

209 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:33:42pm

re: #200 pingjockey

It's not funny at all.

210 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:34:12pm

re: #107 Sharmuta

Someone should walk up to the stage and hand her a white pride t-shirt.

Then hit her with a pie. They missed last time.

211 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:34:13pm

re: #204 Sharmuta

Well, I could give two shits about Olberman, but I have a serious problem with another woman using our gender as an insult.

another little insight....

212 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:34:24pm

The measure of a person's integrity is in their ability to apologise when they realise they have "got it wrong"

We will wait and see if Miss Coulter has any integrity when faced with the truth that she has, indeed, got it wrong.

213 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:34:27pm

Charles.... is she defending the group... which at any angle looks pretty vile, and definitely racist... or is she defending their right to a particular point re crime? It seemed as if she was saying that they were being told they could not use statistics in some form or another...
.... in any case, she certainly stepped in it this time, and she deserves whatever repercussions follow.

214 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:34:30pm

Hello Evening Lizards! It's dank and dark in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

Once again, I reiterate: I have abandoned the label of Conservative. Exactly for the reason above. People with whom I do not wish to be associated twisted the label's meaning in the public mind.

I choose Classical Liberal.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

215 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:34:40pm

re: #130 Jetpilot1101

Can you imagine even one of these idiots winning a seat in the house of representatives, not running as a neo-nazi but as "anti-jihad" or "anti-terror"? With support from folks like Coulter and Buchanan, they may have a chance.

I can imagine Keith Ellison winning a seat in Congress. Sworn in on the Koran obtained by President Thomas Jefferson so he could better understand why the Barbary Pirates were so aggressive.
/ironic sentiment off

216 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:34:41pm

re: #202 quickjustice

I wonder why Pamela is a member of all the LGF Facebook pages?

I didn't realize that but ten again, I am not on Facebook all that much. Maybe she is obsessed with Charles or maybe she is just plain insecure and realizes Charles' blog is kicking her e-ass.

217 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:35:01pm

re: #205 Thanos

They are lefties, but they fact check and triple source. They aren't stupid.

If we don't like the message, but the message is demonstrably true, the solution ISN'T to illegitimately slime the messenger; it's to take action to change things so that the message is NO LONGER true.

218 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:35:08pm

re: #209 Sharmuta
Sorry. It struck me as funny. Uber dork is an ass and to call him a woman is just lame.

219 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:35:11pm

re: #21 zombie

This will be a bombshell.

Will it? Is the NYT going to make an issue of it? If they do she may get more sympathy for her excuses than otherwise.

220 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:35:13pm
221 Pastorius  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:35:19pm

I'm beginning to think everyone hates everyone.

Except me, of course.

;-)

222 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:35:22pm

re: #201 winston06

it is a SHE. One of the victims of Canada's human rights commission.

No. Shaidle is quoting a blog post by Robert Stacy McCain.

223 So?  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:35:23pm

Let's get Drudge on the phone.

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:36:09pm

In the book, is the only resource she uses to defend this group--their own website?

I bet she doesn't do this for CAIR.

225 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:36:24pm

re: #212 A Kiwi Infidel

The measure of a person's integrity is in their ability to apologise when they realise they have "got it wrong"

We will wait and see if Miss Coulter has any integrity when faced with the truth that she has, indeed, got it wrong.

you know damned well she or her minions know what's happening here at LGF

226 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:36:31pm

re: #222 Charles

oh okay. sorry

227 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:36:42pm

re: #214 ggt

Then you have to deal with the baggage now tacked onto the term Liberal, classical or not.
Maybe someone will popularize the term ' realist'.

228 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:37:13pm

re: #88 Charles

That T-shirt company is apparently run by Stormfront, the neo-Nazi website. One of the people shown modeling the shirts is the son of Stormfront's owner, Don Black.

Do you have a staff over there behind you or is it just caffeine pills?

Just wondering.

229 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:37:23pm

re: #197 Scion9

I take him to mean the opposite. That because 'black pride', and adoration of Malcolm X, and the BPP is socially acceptable, that we should just roll out the welcome mat for the neoconfederates; which is usually where that line of argumentation goes.

Racism isn't a positive quality, and you don't combat it with more racism. If some black radical wants to be openly racist, by all means, it is a free country. Obviously there are enough people who know what that means that I don't need to kit myself out like a skinhead as some kind of social statement; nor would I walk shoulder to shoulder with someone who would. The only reason to make a racist political/social statement is if you are actually a racist.

There's been a war between groups like this the "Neoconfederates", and the moderates and mainstream voice of the Republican agenda for years. It runs all the way back to Reagan's appointment of Bennett, and there is a certain tone of anti-semitism in some of it since the Neoconfederates have seen the Neocons, not the democrats, as their main enemy since those days.

230 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:37:32pm

re: #180 Jetpilot1101

Your sentiments are noble, but opportunistic politicians use differences among people, such as race or religion, to divide people so that they can increase their power. The English deliberately set Irish Catholics against Irish Protestants during the 19th Century after a "United Ireland" movement arose in which Irish of both religions unified against English oppression. Hence the "divide and conquer" strategy.

231 screaming_eagle  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:37:33pm

re: #197 Scion9

I agree, it is a subtle way of trying to imply superiority.
BOTH are wrong, though both do not get the same reaction.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:37:40pm

re: #202 quickjustice

I wonder why Pamela is a member of all the LGF Facebook pages?

There are LGF Facebook pages?

233 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:37:51pm

re: #88 Charles

horrible.

234 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:37:56pm

Robert Stacy McCain also writes for the racist European website Takimag.com:

[Link: www.takimag.com...]

235 So?  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:38:00pm

BREAKING: 2 NUKE SUBS COLLIDE

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

236 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:38:04pm

re: #219 Naso Tang

If it involves Ann Coulter, Joy Behar will be wallowing in it on the next View.
Talk about a woman who enjoys getting her hate on......

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:38:13pm

re: #225 albusteve

you know damned well she or her minions know what's happening here at LGF

I wish I had minions.

238 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:38:27pm

re: #235 So?

holy cow

239 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:38:27pm

re: #234 Charles

This is starting to get more and more creepy.

240 freetoken  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:38:35pm

re: #212 A Kiwi Infidel

The measure of a person's integrity is in their ability to apologise when they realise they have "got it wrong"

I'd put it this way... someone with integrity tries to get it right originally, and if they err they then acknowledge it and apologize (if needed) as a sign of honor.

241 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:38:43pm

re: #225 albusteve

you know damned well she or her minions know what's happening here at LGF


And so we wait........

242 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:38:44pm

re: #208 jones

I ahve no idea what clear the cache means. And it has been going on for weeks.

It clears out the temporary stuff the browser downloaded. Usually under Tools: Options, but called different things in different browsers. Which are you using?

243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:38:59pm

re: #227 tradewind

Then you have to deal with the baggage now tacked onto the term Liberal, classical or not.
Maybe someone will popularize the term ' realist'.

I don't think there is much baggage attache to Classical Liberal. It is a term that isn't used much --outside LGF--that I've heard.

244 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:39:05pm

re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll never forget seeing a very solemn family at the grave-site of Jefferson Davis. 10 year old was wearing a t-shirt with a rebel flag emblazoned across it caption reads "Keep it pure!".

License plate, Indiana.

Shudder.

In that regard, there has been an effort on the part of some Southerners to "retake" the Confederate battle flag from its association with segregationists or racists like the KKK, and to emphasize the connection to ancestors who fought honorably to defend their states during the Civil War. You'll also see sometimes bumperstickers that have a Confederate battle flag and the slogan "Heritage Not Hate." It's possible that "Keep It Pure" is referring to this movement to disassociate the CSA battle flag as a symbol of racism.

245 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:39:08pm

Taki.
Wasn't there a pundit, far leftist one, named Taki who wrote for the NY Observer?

246 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:40:45pm

re: #234 Charles

Ouch, I guess it pays to be circumspect in who you choose to defend your points on the net. It may be a long dark four years, maybe longer even.

247 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:40:48pm

re: #235 So?

BREAKING: 2 NUKE SUBS COLLIDE

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

The Russians have bumped US ones for a long time, but this time it is British and French. Two captains will be commanding desks for the rest of their careers.

248 jones  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:40:52pm

explorer.

I cleared TIF, which I have done since the problem started, but I am shutting down and seeing what happens.

249 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:41:06pm

re: #235 So?

BREAKING: 2 NUKE SUBS COLLIDE

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

Somehow I think Walmart is involved. Signage or something.

250 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:41:08pm

re: #234 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain also writes for the racist European website Takimag.com:

[Link: www.takimag.com...]

Taki.... The one that's on Brussels Journal?

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:41:10pm

re: #244 Dar ul Harb

In that regard, there has been an effort on the part of some Southerners to "retake" the Confederate battle flag from its association with segregationists or racists like the KKK, and to emphasize the connection to ancestors who fought honorably to defend their states during the Civil War. You'll also see sometimes bumperstickers that have a Confederate battle flag and the slogan "Heritage Not Hate." It's possible that "Keep It Pure" is referring to this movement to disassociate the CSA battle flag as a symbol of racism.

Heritage not Hate. Hmmm, on the surface I like it. These days, I'm so if I can take things at face value.

252 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:41:13pm
253 jones  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:41:33pm

Before I go

The French have submarines?

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:41:50pm

re: #249 unrealizedviewpoint

Somehow I think Walmart is involved. Signage or something.

No way, it has to be Bush's fault.

/

255 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:42:02pm

re: #234 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain also writes for the racist European website Takimag.com:

[Link: www.takimag.com...]

gag me...what a waste of time

256 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:42:12pm

re: #253 jones

Yes. French Barracuda class submarines

257 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:42:22pm

re: #252 buzzsawmonkey

Taki (Taki Theodoracrapoulos, or something like that) is a far-rightist of the Buchananite stripe, too-too aristocratic, genteely racist, less genteely antisemitic, and was arrested for cocaine possession some years back.

Didn't he once--a long, long time ago--write for The National Review?

258 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:42:22pm

re: #253 jones

Oh yes. They have nuclear missle armed subs too.

259 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:42:47pm

re: #240 freetoken

I'd put it this way... someone with integrity tries to get it right originally, and if they err they then acknowledge it and apologize (if needed) as a sign of honor.


This is why I am not holding my breath

260 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:42:47pm

re: #245 tradewind

That one writes everywhere under psuedonyms, and poses as the political slant needed. He's a flaming elitist and racist.

261 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:43:02pm
262 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:43:13pm

re: #253 jones

Before I go

The French have submarines?

Yes, they have nuclear missile subs (as well as, IIRC, nuclear attack boats.)
The French design their own nuclear missiles; the British use American ones.

263 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:43:14pm

re: #256 winston06

which is a future development. 6 r ordered

264 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:43:17pm

re: #250 Sharmuta

I think Takuan Seiyo is one of Taki's pen names, but have no way to prove it.

265 freetoken  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:43:21pm

re: #249 unrealizedviewpoint

Somehow I think Walmart is involved. Signage or something.

Trident.... Tritium...

I can imagine the "theories" being hatched now...

266 vagabond trader  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:43:22pm

re: #258 pingjockey

Read a while back that their navy is in pretty bad shape.

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:43:26pm

re: #244 Dar ul Harb

It is possible. But I think not probable. This family had every stereotypical appearance of a KKK family that you can imagine. (With the exception of robes/hoods).

268 gringo69  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:43:46pm

Ann is shrill and hard to listen to. The conservative movement doesn't need her kind of polarization. Just gonna scare open minded people away. Her game is selling books by being a crazy right wing nut job.

269 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:43:54pm

re: #262 Kosh's Shadow

They have 10 submarines in total

270 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:44:15pm

re: #247 Kosh's Shadow

The Russians have bumped US ones for a long time, but this time it is British and French. Two captains will be commanding desks for the rest of their careers.

British Military Officer Fitness Reports

British Military Officer Fitness ReportsThe British Military writes OFR's (officer fitness reports). The form usedfor Royal Navy and Marines fitness reports is the S206. The following areactual excerpts taken from people's "206's"...
.
- His men would follow him anywhere, but only out of curiosity.
- I would not breed from this Officer.
- This Officer is really not so much of a has-been, but more of a definitely won't-be.
- When she opens her mouth, it seems that this is only to change whichever foot was previously in there.
- He has carried out each and every one of his duties to his entire satisfaction.
- He would be out of his depth in a car park puddle.
- Technically sound, but socially impossible.
- This Officer reminds me very much of a gyroscope - always spinning around at a frantic pace, but not really going anywhere.
- This young lady has delusions of adequacy.
- When he joined my ship, this Officer was something of a granny; since then he has aged considerably.
- This Medical Officer has used my ship to carry his genitals from port to port, and my officers to carry him from bar to bar.
- Since my last report he has reached rock bottom, and has started to dig.
- She sets low personal standards and then consistently fails to achieve them.
- He has the wisdom of youth, and the energy of old age.
- This Officer should go far - and the sooner he starts, the better.
- In my opinion this pilot should not be authorized to fly below 250 feet.
- The only ship I would recommend this man for is citizenship.
- Works well when under constant supervision and cornered like a rat in a trap- This man is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.
- Only occasionally wets himself under pressure

271 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:44:49pm
272 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:44:57pm

re: #251 ggt

Heritage not Hate. Hmmm, on the surface I like it. These days, I'm so if I can take things at face value.

You can never be too careful, however. That "Keep It Pure" shirt can obviously have a double meaning, unlike "Heritage Not Hate".

273 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:45:08pm

re: #266 vagabond trader
Lots of navies that are broke, Russia, for example will let the surface force go to crap, but the ICBM boats are very well maintained.

274 LC LaWedgie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:45:14pm

re: #253 jones

Baugette class

275 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:45:47pm

re: #261 buzzsawmonkey

Barracuda is a future purchase. I was mistaken.

The French navy aircraft carriers use the same landing systems as the USN does

276 screaming_eagle  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:46:20pm

re: #266 vagabond trader

Read a while back that their navy is in pretty bad shape.

Read a while back that their country is in pretty bad shape.

277 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:46:28pm

Here's from the news article section of CofCC, notice how they never mention that the marchers in Dresden are Neo Nazis, instead they call them "Patriots":

From a German Supporter:

Over 7,000 right-wing and patriotic Germans marched in Dresden. The march commemorated the US & British firebombing of the city that killed over 135,000 people, mostly women and children, after Winston Churchill declared the city a safezone and one million refugees had packed the city. Approximately 4,000 American POWs also perished in the bombing.

Most American citizens were unaware that the bombing campaign ever took place until it was commemorated by the popular movie Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut that came out in 1969. The movie followed a group of American POWs who lived through the bombing.

278 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:46:54pm

Later folks.
Sharm, did not mean to offend you in any way.

279 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:47:33pm

re: #270 Dustyvet

British Military Officer Fitness Reports

British Military Officer Fitness ReportsThe British Military writes OFR's (officer fitness reports). The form usedfor Royal Navy and Marines fitness reports is the S206. The following areactual excerpts taken from people's "206's"...
.
- His men would follow him anywhere, but only out of curiosity.
- I would not breed from this Officer.
- This Officer is really not so much of a has-been, but more of a definitely won't-be.
- When she opens her mouth, it seems that this is only to change whichever foot was previously in there.- He has carried out each and every one of his duties to his entire satisfaction.
- He would be out of his depth in a car park puddle.
- Technically sound, but socially impossible.
- This Officer reminds me very much of a gyroscope - always spinning around at a frantic pace, but not really going anywhere.
- This young lady has delusions of adequacy.
- When he joined my ship, this Officer was something of a granny; since then he has aged considerably.
- This Medical Officer has used my ship to carry his genitals from port to port, and my officers to carry him from bar to bar.
- Since my last report he has reached rock bottom, and has started to dig.
- She sets low personal standards and then consistently fails to achieve them.
- He has the wisdom of youth, and the energy of old age.
- This Officer should go far - and the sooner he starts, the better.
- In my opinion this pilot should not be authorized to fly below 250 feet.
- The only ship I would recommend this man for is citizenship.
- Works well when under constant supervision and cornered like a rat in a trap- This man is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.
- Only occasionally wets himself under pressure

Coulter's been in the British Military?

280 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:47:33pm

Well, that's not good. Searching "Ann Coulter vlaams belang" brings up stormfront.

281 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:47:42pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is possible. But I think not probable. This family had every stereotypical appearance of a KKK family that you can imagine. (With the exception of robes/hoods).

Looked like ignernt whaht trash, did they?
/

282 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:47:52pm

re: #278 pingjockey

Thanks- no worries.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:47:56pm

re: #270 Dustyvet

- This Medical Officer has used my ship to carry his genitals from port to port, and my officers to carry him from bar to bar.

I would have liked to be in the Navy.

284 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:48:23pm

re: #277 Thanos

There it is. Notice the inflated casualty number. It was far lower than 135,000 people. Dresden was a also a Nazi communications center and essentially a military crossroads.

That quote is actually an ad lib of direct European Neo-Nazi propaganda.

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:48:30pm

re: #272 Dar ul Harb

You can never be too careful, however. That "Keep It Pure" shirt can obviously have a double meaning, unlike "Heritage Not Hate".

someone, somewhere could come-up with another meaning or it could be a slogan used by some group taqiya style.

286 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:48:34pm

re: #257 MandyManners

I encountered a blogger calling himself Taki on [Link: urbanelephants.com...] a couple of years ago. He was extremely, distractingly, didactic. He had a huge amount of information which he insisted on conveying in stream of consciousness, several hundred word long, sentences. He was almost impossible to read.

My take: brilliant, but with some sort of organic disorder that prevented him from writing coherently.

287 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:49:33pm

re: #279 A Kiwi Infidel

Coulter's been in the British Military?

Rumor making the rounds that Helen Thomas served on the HMS Bounty...:)

288 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:49:39pm

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, long ago. I think that William F. Buckley dumped him around the same time he dumped Buchanan and Joseph Sobran, and for the same reason. Taki used to be big pals with fellow-Greek Arianna Huffington, back when she was working the conservative side of the street.

BTW,Mandy--last post (#271) in the Teddy Bear thread is for you.

That's my memory. I was getting away from the CPUSA around that time.

289 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:49:55pm

re: #183 Sharmuta

Sorry but sitting and thinking on this; I don't view that as misogynistic at its core. Would calling a woman 'mannish' be misandry? I have a feeling that too would be considered misogyny, no? I've similarly been informed that calling a woman a 'dick' is misogynistic, and calling a man a 'pussy' is as well.

While it might not be uniform; in our culture men and women by and large have some broad gender-associated behavioral qualities. Calling a man a woman (ie feminine), when he is not trying to be (and in Obama's case arguably trying to act in a masculine fashion) while certainly not tasteful in the least, doesn't display a hatred of women, any more than denigrating a woman's femininity is a display of hatred towards men. It is meant as a provocative, offensive insult to the recipient and not an indictment of a whole gender.

290 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:50:18pm

re: #277 Thanos

That sure is a weird review of Slaughterhouse-Five.

291 Mardukhai  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:51:15pm

Charles -- The CCC is a rebranding of the Citizens' Council of Segregation days. It was often called the "White Citizens' Council."

292 Empire1  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:51:21pm

re: #98 pingjockey

I'm old enough to remember that loon running for president. Also "Blazing Saddles" is 35 this year. OMG!

It is? Oh, dear ... that means it came out when I was only 30, and that seems eons ago. ::sigh::

293 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:51:23pm

re: #244 Dar ul Harb

In that regard, there has been an effort on the part of some Southerners to "retake" the Confederate battle flag from its association with segregationists or racists like the KKK, and to emphasize the connection to ancestors who fought honorably to defend their states during the Civil War. You'll also see sometimes bumperstickers that have a Confederate battle flag and the slogan "Heritage Not Hate." It's possible that "Keep It Pure" is referring to this movement to disassociate the CSA battle flag as a symbol of racism.


Or it could refer to the declaration of unity among these groups in 2004 in which they basically said they would use a "higher tone" etc. Declaration signed by Don Black, David Duke, and others of odious repute.

294 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:51:32pm

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

The Ballad of Gillian Gibbons

I love it!

295 The Shadow Do  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:51:38pm

re: #179 thefallingman

Good. I've always held that the real position of the democrats (since the 1840s) is the acquisition and maintenance of power at all costs. Really, Wallace started off fairly moderate on race for a man of his time. He became a staunch segregationist after he lost his first bid for governor and then did a complete 180 once he saw the power of blacks to vote. Power was the only thing Wallace (and democrats in general) cared about.

Ah memories...A friend of mine and I, while still in high school, went to one of his presidential run political rallies in a mid size midwest city. Got in about six hearty boos before being frogmarched out of the auditorium. Probably a good thing, there were a few crackers there that weren't takin' a cotton to us.

296 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:52:03pm
297 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:52:06pm

re: #289 Scion9

Sorry but sitting and thinking on this; I don't view that as misogynistic at its core. Would calling a woman 'mannish' be misandry? I have a feeling that too would be considered misogyny, no? I've similarly been informed that calling a woman a 'dick' is misogynistic, and calling a man a 'pussy' is as well.

While it might not be uniform; in our culture men and women by and large have some broad gender-associated behavioral qualities. Calling a man a woman (ie feminine), when he is not trying to be (and in Obama's case arguably trying to act in a masculine fashion) while certainly not tasteful in the least, doesn't display a hatred of women, any more than denigrating a woman's femininity is a display of hatred towards men. It is meant as a provocative, offensive insult to the recipient and not an indictment of a whole gender.

I don't know scion, some women think they define womenhood.

298 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:52:36pm

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, did you notice that your post in this thread that mentioned No. 271 in the Teddy Bear thread is No. 271?

I THINK I'LL PLAY LOTTO THIS WEEK.

299 jones  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:52:45pm

No luck. Still bounces me back to the homepage.

300 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:53:02pm

re: #287 Dustyvet

Rumor making the rounds that Helen Thomas served on the HMS Bounty...:)

Careful, she may be listening......

301 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:53:40pm

I'm trying to remember: the Confederate battle flag still appears on which state flags?

302 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:53:54pm

re: #277 Thanos

Here's from the news article section of CofCC, notice how they never mention that the marchers in Dresden are Neo Nazis, instead they call them "Patriots":

Does CCC think the Allies were wrong to bomb Dresden?

303 DeepThroat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:54:06pm

As the demographics in the US and Europe change, whites are becoming a minority.

Who will be their voice and at what point would it be acceptable to do so?

304 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:54:14pm

re: #291 Mardukhai

Charles -- The CCC is a rebranding of the Citizens' Council of Segregation days. It was often called the "White Citizens' Council."

We have a second Bingo.

305 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:54:14pm

re: #300 A Kiwi Infidel

Careful, she may be listening......

Ding...:)

306 JHW  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:54:26pm

re: #277 Thanos

re: #284 Gus 802

I believe you're right on the inflated casualty number part, I was reading through several German newspapers today, and all the official (German) estimates put the toll at around 25,000.
Sample Thousands Protest Against neo-Nazi March in Dresden
from The Local, German site in English

307 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:54:27pm

re: #295 The Shadow Do

Funny how some racial slurs are OK.

308 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:54:29pm

re: #302 MandyManners

Does CCC think the Allies were wrong to bomb Dresden?

No doubt.

309 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:54:38pm

re: #297 ggt

I don't know scion, some women think they define womenhood.

Heh. Yeah, but I generally don't count narcissists as being representative of any broader group they might belong to.

310 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:55:04pm

re: #286 quickjustice

I encountered a blogger calling himself Taki on [Link:

311 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:55:46pm

re: #301 quickjustice

I'm trying to remember: the Confederate battle flag still appears on which state flags?

Mississippi

[Link: www.netstate.com...]

312 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:55:55pm

re: #306 JHW

Yes, 25,000. I read an article in Der Spiegel.

313 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:55:59pm

re: #303 DeepThroat

It's far more important that the great western cultural values, such as freedom and democracy, survive and triumph, than that racial politics continue after whites become a minority.

314 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:56:14pm
315 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:56:22pm

Oven buzzer's going. bbiab

316 Mardukhai  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:57:05pm

Helen Thomas never served on HMS Bounty!

She was too old and too scary-looking.

317 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:57:15pm

re: #10 Charles

How did you arrive at the supposition that the white pride site was run by stormfront? Not arguing the point just curious because I followed the links I could and only found patriot flags as owner of the site. Was that in some report by Southern Poverty Law Center? I even went to splc's site but I am too inept webwise to glean any thing about them.

318 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:57:21pm

re: #289 Scion9

First of all, "pussy" is short for "pusillanimous", not the female anatomy.

Second, we'll just have to agree to disagree then because I feel it's insulting to use "woman" as an derogatory term. As for misandry- I oppose that too.

319 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:57:43pm

Sorry if this is a bit disjointed commenting on iPhone from event at Eagan library but the willingness of people so motivate by anger and fear to fight islamicascism and it's enablersto embrace nationalist/fascists that should go against our core values should encourage to fightas hard as we fight our other enemies. Eirtyer we have values or we do not.

320 DeepThroat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:57:45pm

re: #313 quickjustice

It's far more important that the great western cultural values, such as freedom and democracy, survive and triumph, than that racial politics continue after whites become a minority.

Who decides that?

Why isn't pride in ones heritage and race equally as important?

321 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:57:53pm

re: #311 sattv4u2

According to wiki it was on the Alabama flag between '56 and '01 as well.

322 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:58:01pm

re: #311 sattv4u2

Mississippi

[Link: www.netstate.com...]

Satt! the race was rained out! Home from the party..What a bummer

323 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:58:06pm

re: #316 Mardukhai

Helen Thomas never served on HMS Bounty!

She was too old and too scary-looking.

Hence the Mutiny...:)

324 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:58:15pm

re: #316 Mardukhai

Helen Thomas never served on HMS Bounty!

She was too old and too scary-looking.

Yes, she did! Why do you think they mutinied?

325 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:58:38pm

re: #323 Dustyvet


Too slow!

326 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:58:39pm

re: #301 quickjustice

I'm trying to remember: the Confederate battle flag still appears on which state flags?

Per Wikipedia, only Mississippi. Georgia redesigned theirs in 2001.

327 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:59:19pm

BBIAW

328 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:59:22pm

That's Reagan Library

329 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:59:30pm

re: #98 pingjockey

I'm old enough to remember that loon running for president. Also "Blazing Saddles" is 35 this year. OMG!

I don't want to be this old! Blazing Saddles? Is that going to be the next, new Broadway hit? Has there ever been a better fart scene in the movies than that?

"You gonna need an army to beat him, I know!"/ Lilly Von Schtupp

And Harvey Korman's Methodist speech?

330 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 4:59:35pm

re: #322 HoosierHoops

Satt! the race was rained out! Home from the party..What a bummer

Nice to see Kenseth win it, though - even if it was rain-shortened. Matt seems like a nice guy.

331 The Shadow Do  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:00:19pm

re: #307 OldLineTexan

Funny how some racial slurs are OK.

Oof

332 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:00:54pm

re: #329 Crimsonfisted

I don't want to be this old! Blazing Saddles? Is that going to be the next, new Broadway hit? Has there ever been a better fart scene in the movies than that?

"You gonna need an army to beat him, I know!"/ Lilly Von Schtupp

And Harvey Korman's Methodist speech?

And they could never make that film today.

333 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:00:57pm

re: #322 HoosierHoops

Satt! the race was rained out SHOETENED! Home from the party..What a bummer

And your freinds must be wimps! If those were MY freinds, the party would still be ongoing, race be damned!


/

334 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:01:22pm

re: #307 OldLineTexan

Funny how some racial slurs are OK.

You noticed that, eh?

335 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:01:28pm

re: #322 HoosierHoops

Satt! the race was rained out! Home from the party..What a bummer

I know but Daytona Beach desperately needs the rain. Better it had rained yesterday though.

336 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:01:35pm

re: #322 HoosierHoops

Satt! the race was rained out! Home from the party..What a bummer

I don't mean it was rained out..Rain came near the best part near the end.
Somebody put a Fatwa on NASCAR tonight...good food though..I can't move

337 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:01:42pm

re: #333 sattv4u2

And your freinds must be wimps! If those were MY freinds, the party would still be ongoing, race be damned!

/

SHOETENED? Did an Iraqi throw a shoe at Tony Stewart? :P

338 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:02:22pm

re: #332 Wyatt Earp

And they could never make that film today.

Never. Thank goodness he made it then, so that we have it now.

339 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:02:24pm

re: #333 sattv4u2

SHORTENED, even

PIMF

340 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:03:01pm

I have reviewed almost all the posts in this thread. There is something "Mark Foley" about all this. I shall not question the veracity of the facts around this Ann Coulter situation. My concern is that we are tearing down another Conservative. Who will be left? Republican George Allen was hounded out of the campaign for ONE WORD. Who will the Republican Party offer in 2012 for President? While we work to purge our ranks of those who fail some overall valid test or standard, the Democrats (who appear to enjoy NO standards) continue to turn this Country to Socialism. Republican Mark Foley was forced to resign, but Democrat Gary Studds ADMITTED TO HAVING A HOMOSEXUAL AFFAIR WITH A PAGE AND WON RE-ELECTION. What will we do when we have destroyed all those who don't meet our desired degree of perfection? Who will be left?
At a risk of a down-ding, I post!

341 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:03:26pm

re: #337 Wyatt Earp

SHOETENED? Did an Iraqi throw a shoe at Tony Stewart? :P

my 1st day with these new thumbs!

342 USCMSNE  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:03:29pm

re: #235 So?

BREAKING: 2 NUKE SUBS COLLIDE

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

That article is garbage. I can't stand the alarmism and and fear mongering in these news stories involving the "N" word. No not that "N" word, the other one.

The French and British would be more worried about the loss of capital, human and intelligence, more than anything. The fallout, pun intended, would be worse for the intelligence factor than the environmental consequences. I'd be more worried about some foreign government finding the warheads and stealing what intelligence they can from it. The Trident warheads are failsafe. As are the power plants. The net result would be $2B of rare earth metals corroding on the ocean bottom. Any hazardous nuclear material that would "leak" would be negligable in the water (Dillution is the Solution). Any radiation would be negligable. Water makes a damn fine neutron and gamma shield. The Navy takes routine surveys of the Thresher and Scorpion crash sites and there have been no significant adverse environmental impacts from them. As I said, the real loss would be the human and intelligence capital.

This article is nothing but a bunch of chicken littles running around screaming about the sky.

343 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:03:46pm

re: #341 sattv4u2

my 1st day with these new thumbs!

You must have gotten my old ones!

344 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:04:12pm

Huckabee is on Fox and says he is going to discuss if common sense and science are clashing.

Common sense tells me I should watch.

345 ornery elephant  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:04:16pm

Does anyone have a suggestion for a Conservative leader who passes the litmus test for 2012?

346 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:04:21pm

re: #318 Sharmuta

Well, I think intent goes a long way when using a word. I don't think many people have 'pusillanimous' on their mind when they use the word if that is indeed an accurate etymology of the slang.

I'm also not saying its not offensive, but that its not a display of a hatred or contempt of women. Calling a man a women, implying that he is feminine, isn't saying there is anything wrong with women being women at all. If anything the slur would be more homophobic (assuming that the stereotype of effeminate homosexual males itself was not a slur; oh god its all so confusing).

Sorry for partially derailing the thread though. Agree to disagree works for me. It was just a quibble.

347 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:04:22pm

re: #333 sattv4u2

And your freinds must be wimps! If those were MY freinds, the party would still be ongoing, race be damned!

/

LOL
6am comes early my friend

348 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:04:25pm

re: #250 Sharmuta

Taki.... The one that's on Brussels Journal?

Yep.

349 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:04:39pm

re: #10 Charles

I took out your links.

Charles, if I wanted to link to a specific page on the CCC site so that people could see for themselves that I wasn't exaggerating CCC's stance on some point or another, would it be okay to use a redirect service like "tinyURL" to put the link in an LGF comment?

Or would a tinyURL link be just as problematic from your point-of-view, because LGF bashers could still claim that you're "allowing links to racist sites in the LGF comments section"?

350 JHW  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:04:44pm

re: #312 Gus 802

Also, I believe you assertion that the higher numbers used is a neo-Nazi tactic, is also correct. I just checked out one of their German sites (I certainly won't link it) and they have a plaque alleging 100,000 dead. The German word for victim is Opfern, and they turn the "O"into an Odin's cross.

351 medaura18586  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:05:30pm

Over the past six months or so, I’ve been scouring the web for more information on the activities and associates of Serge Trifkovic (as well as others within Robert Spencer’s close circle). Aside from being a former spokesperson for Karadzic and an advisor of Biljana Psalvic (Google these names, please), on a domestic level, he is politically connected with Pat Buchanan through the very same Council of Conservative Citizens. I have the pictures and the documents to prove it. I’ve been working on-and-off as time permits on a similar expose of Trfikovic to the James Jatras piece. It always amazes me how concentric these circles are.

352 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:06:21pm

We Nashvillians have recently seen the shitstorm that even speaking with the CofCC can bring, because our sheriff, Daron Hall, spoke at their local chapter meeting two or three weeks ago about the sheriff's department immigration policy....he got a heaping of much-deserved scorn for that and pleaded that he wasn't aware of all of the CofCC's positions, because the request came in through the PR people and they didn't vet them.

To be honest, Hall's done a pretty good job as sheriff (as best as can be done, since in Nashville, their duties mainly consists of running the county jails and serving warrants, because Metro Police handles everything else) but this tells me he ought to be paying more attention to requests for him to speak.

353 freetoken  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:06:30pm

re: #340 NelsFree

My concern is that we are tearing down another Conservative. Who will be left?

Maybe the ones who still have integrity?

354 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:06:33pm

re: #334 reine.de.tout

You noticed that, eh?

Just a gentle reminder. I'm not in a victimhood mood over it, but I do notice.

It goes back to the thread topic ... if something's WRONG, it's WRONG.

In my small mind, that which supports or excuses evil is wrong.

355 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:06:34pm

re: #340 NelsFree

So- Ann should be free from criticism when she's wrong and lying simply because she's a member of the right (supposedly)? I call bullshit. I don't care what side of the aisle anyone's on- when they make excuses for racists, they should be called on it.

356 screaming_eagle  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:06:36pm

re: #330 Wyatt Earp

Nice to see Kenseth win it, though - even if it was rain-shortened. Matt seems like a nice guy.

Blahhhh, He only lead one lap under green. I wanted to see them finnish the last 48 laps, because with the way they we're crashing it was turning into a survival race.

357 USCMSNE  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:06:37pm

re: #345 ornery elephant

Does anyone have a suggestion for a Conservative leader who passes the litmus test for 2012?


Gov. Sanford

358 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:06:42pm

re: #318 Sharmuta

First of all, "pussy" is short for "pusillanimous", not the female anatomy.

"It has been informally suggested in folk etymology that it is a shortened form of the word "pusillanimous" which is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as "showing a lack of courage or determination" or cowardly. This meaning would seem to be consistent with the intention of the word "pussy" when used as an insult toward a man. Th(e) term, however, comes from the Latin words pusillus (petty) and animus (spirit) and is unrelated to the Germanic derivations of puss and pussy."
Here's more but it IS about sexual slang, so be WARNED!

359 Jr ewing  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:06:55pm

CCC is a NEO NAZI sympathizer..

360 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:07:15pm

re: #291 Mardukhai

Charles -- The CCC is a rebranding of the Citizens' Council of Segregation days. It was often called the "White Citizens' Council."

Yes, that's correct. More information on them here:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

361 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:07:22pm

re: #345 ornery elephant

Does anyone have a suggestion for a Conservative leader who passes the litmus test for 2012?

Mark Sanford

362 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:07:43pm

re: #351 medaura18586

Some ideologies become incestuous after awhile and the family tree eventually becomes a shrub. Or even better a worm akin to oubrous that eventually eats itself.

363 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:07:54pm

re: #349 Throbert McGee

Charles, if I wanted to link to a specific page on the CCC site so that people could see for themselves that I wasn't exaggerating CCC's stance on some point or another, would it be okay to use a redirect service like "tinyURL" to put the link in an LGF comment?

Or would a tinyURL link be just as problematic from your point-of-view, because LGF bashers could still claim that you're "allowing links to racist sites in the LGF comments section"?

How about searching Google for that page, then using the link to Google's cache?

364 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:08:08pm

re: #350 JHW

Unbelievable. And Coulter defended these people and will now speak at CPAC. Talk about media fodder. Will these people ever learn?

365 Dayenu  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:08:10pm

I never thought highly of Ann Coulter. I never cited her as a source. She's a right-wing Michael Moore, and if the conservatives want to demonstrate moral superiority, they should not embrace a right-wing Michael Moore.

I quit being a liberal because of the liberal infatuation with anti-Semitism and dictatorships. I learned- or thought that I learned- that conservative Racism was a liberal prejudice and a thing of the past. The last thing the Right needs is anything that will validate that stereotype.

Reject the Ann Coulters and Pat Buchanans, hard, fast, and now.

366 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:08:11pm

re: #352 talon_262

Hmmm. I remember former Davidson Country High Sheriff Fate Thomas, who left office in handcuffs, IIRC. He dressed like Boss Hogg.

367 Jr ewing  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:08:26pm

From one of there blogs..

Over 7,000 right-wing and patriotic Germans marched in Dresden.
Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 ‘Mourning March’

WTF?

368 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:08:45pm

re: #358 jcw46

You are pushing useful knowledge out of my head. Enough.

369 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:10:30pm

re: #313 quickjustice

It's far more important that the great western cultural values, such as freedom and democracy, survive and triumph, than that racial politics continue after whites become a minority.

How will those great values be maintained if the cultural minorities do not take them on once they are the majority?

370 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:10:40pm

re: #320 DeepThroat

Who decides that?

Why isn't pride in ones heritage and race equally as important?

I think pride in the individual --pride in one's accomplishments has little to do with heritage and race.

371 SpringheelJack  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:12:07pm

re: #340 NelsFree

I have reviewed almost all the posts in this thread. There is something "Mark Foley" about all this. I shall not question the veracity of the facts around this Ann Coulter situation. My concern is that we are tearing down another Conservative. Who will be left? Republican George Allen was hounded out of the campaign for ONE WORD. Who will the Republican Party offer in 2012 for President? While we work to purge our ranks of those who fail some overall valid test or standard, the Democrats (who appear to enjoy NO standards) continue to turn this Country to Socialism. Republican Mark Foley was forced to resign, but Democrat Gary Studds ADMITTED TO HAVING A HOMOSEXUAL AFFAIR WITH A PAGE AND WON RE-ELECTION. What will we do when we have destroyed all those who don't meet our desired degree of perfection? Who will be left?
At a risk of a down-ding, I post!

I agree. If we demand too much purity, we will not be able to form a coalition big enough to get anything done

372 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:12:12pm

re: #345 ornery elephant

Does anyone have a suggestion for a Conservative leader who passes the litmus test for 2012?

It's really offensive to refer to this as a "litmus test." That implies that this is somehow nit-picking. Being opposed to racists and white supremacists is NOT nit-picking.

373 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:12:13pm

re: #366 quickjustice

Hmmm. I remember former Davidson Country High Sheriff Fate Thomas, who left office in handcuffs, IIRC. He dressed like Boss Hogg.

Fate Thomas was the epitome of the Southern "good ol' boy" politician...

374 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:12:53pm

re: #369 NelsFree

Well, a good place to not start, is abandoning them preemptively in favor of ethnic nationalism. Just to state the obvious.

375 Render  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:13:04pm

Ahhh...

The sweetly sour pungent vagaries of Balkan politics.

Like having a dead mouse in between the walls and you can't seem to find it.

ANOTHER
NIGHT
IN HELL,
R

376 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:13:06pm

re: #345 ornery elephant

Does anyone have a suggestion for a Conservative leader who passes the litmus test for 2012?

Does anyone have the Ultimate Litmus test for a Conservative?
I suggest Reagan be cloned.

377 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:13:14pm

re: #356 screaming_eagle

Blahhhh, He only lead one lap under green. I wanted to see them finnish the last 48 laps, because with the way they we're crashing it was turning into a survival race.

Agreed. I'd rather see it finish, then maybe Gordon or Junior could have won it.

378 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:13:20pm

re: #371 SpringheelJack

I agree. If we demand too much purity, we will not be able to form a coalition big enough to get anything done

"Demand too much purity?"

Are you kidding me?

It's not "demanding purity" to refuse to have anything to do with neo-Nazis and white supremacists. It's simple decency.

379 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:13:23pm

re: #340 NelsFree

I shall not question the veracity of the facts around this Ann Coulter situation.

Because you know that what Charles has posted is TRUE.

380 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:13:36pm

re: #368 Scion9

You are pushing useful knowledge out of my head. Enough.

Use this excuse.

381 DeepThroat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:14:04pm

re: #370 ggt

I think pride in the individual --pride in one's accomplishments has little to do with heritage and race.

That's a shame but of course, to each his own.

382 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:14:15pm

re: #317 jcw46

Don Black's son is modeling one of the Tee's

383 Sunlight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:14:21pm

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

I'm actually not all that concerned with people's beliefs. It is more how far they will go with them to interfere (or worse) with others who don't agree with them. I want to see some writings from Michael Steele to see whether he is willing to take on Huckabee, Coulter, Buchanan, etc. to either get them out or get them to stop trying to impose their views on the rest of the party (not to mention, the rest of the country or the rest of the world). I guess Sarah Palin is joining some book club with them... I actually have hopes for her, but if she identifies herself with these folks, I'm done.

384 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:14:24pm

re: #372 Charles

It's really offensive to refer to this as a "litmus test." That implies that this is somehow nit-picking. Being opposed to racists and white supremacists is NOT nit-picking.

I have nit-picked in real life.

If you don't get all the nits, the lice come right back.

385 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:14:27pm
386 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:14:38pm

re: #363 Charles

How about searching Google for that page, then using the link to Google's cache?

Charles: What is your opinion of Goggle? The do no harm mission statement and it's resent dealings with China..
More specifically.. Do you think Goggle sold out to get a piece of the market in China? and can I ask a follow up? Thanks

387 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:14:40pm

re: #355 Sharmuta

So- Ann should be free from criticism when she's wrong and lying simply because she's a member of the right (supposedly)? I call bullshit. I don't care what side of the aisle anyone's on- when they make excuses for racists, they should be called on it.

Yep. Coulter has the constitutional right to express views which defend racists. And like Coulter, all wackos, whether from the left, the right or the center, need to be exposed for what they are.
White Power, Black Power, White Pride, Black Pride - after all is said and done it's all the same racist shit.
This may ultimately be healthy for the political process, so long as too many people are not actually taken in by the racist views being espoused and defended.
What an ugly mess.

388 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:14:50pm

re: #371 SpringheelJack

I agree. If we demand too much purity, we will not be able to form a coalition big enough to get anything done

You think we'll have electoral success if we woo nazis to our banner?

389 Truck Monkey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:14:51pm

re: #316 Mardukhai

Helen Thomas never served on HMS Bounty!

She was too old and too scary-looking.

Has anyone ever seen Medusa and Helen Thomas in the same room?

390 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:15:16pm

re: #371 SpringheelJack

I agree. If we demand too much purity, we will not be able to form a coalition big enough to get anything done

It's not demanding "too much purity" by asking that people act like decent human beings with some common sense...

391 Maui Girl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:15:38pm

Why is it that no one would bitch if they went to the NAACP website and they were advertising "Black Pride" t-shirts. Would it be considered racist? I highly doubt it. And I'm not defending the CCC nor supporting it etc. But see the hypocrisy. Why do I have to feel "bad" if I want to don a "White Pride" t-shirt. I am not by any means a racist but I have definitely come to feel that I cannot wear anything that proclaims I'm proud to be Caucasian. Sad state of affairs.


Anyone know where I can get a "Proud to sport a Tan!" t-shirt?

/just venting

392 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:15:48pm

I feel about like what I felt as a child when I found out that there was no Santa Claus. My innocence is about a -50 now.
When an organization/party is so full of people who don't come close to acting on the beliefs they profess and yet is full of the bigoted and racist, a point that your opposition repeatedly states exists, is there any point to trying to resurrect it? Better I think to just let it die now and use the next four years to find our way to a different form for the conservative political philosphy.

393 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:15:48pm

re: #381 DeepThroat

That's a shame but of course, to each his own.

Huh?

394 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:16:11pm

re: #381 DeepThroat

That's a shame but of course, to each his own.

So, I am to define myself by the color of my skin? The country from which my ancestors came?

395 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:16:50pm

re: #391 Maui Girl

You want to wear nazi t-shirts?

396 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:17:02pm

bbiab

397 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:17:08pm
398 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:17:09pm

re: #389 Truck Monkey

Has anyone ever seen Medusa and Helen Thomas in the same room?

Helen Thomas would NEVER turn me to stone, so that's a false argument!

/

399 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:17:15pm

re: #340 NelsFree

What will we do when we have destroyed all those who don't meet our desired degree of perfection?

Why is it a "desired degree of perfection" to speak out against making excuses for FREAKING WHITE SUPREMACISTS?

If I refuse to dive into a sewer when everyone else is, does that make me obsessed with cleanliness?

Good grief.

400 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:17:16pm

re: #394 ggt

So, I am to define myself by the color of my skin? The country from which my ancestors came?

Kinda' hard for folks whose ancestors came from all over the globe!

401 JHW  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:17:18pm

It's not just the "Pride" t-shirts. It's their statement of principles.

402 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:17:34pm

re: #394 ggt

So, I am to define myself by the color of my skin? The country from which my ancestors came?

I refuse to defend Lutefisk to the death...

403 DeepThroat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:17:41pm

re: #394 ggt

So, I am to define myself by the color of my skin? The country from which my ancestors came?

I said pride in ones heritage, not defining yourself by the color of your skin.

404 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:18:12pm

There's a huge difference between most people wearing a black-pride t-shirt and someone wearing a white-pride t-shirt.

Perhaps that's prejudiced of me but the associations with the KKK, neo-Nazis, Jerry Springer guests, and so on come to mind.

405 ornery elephant  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:18:14pm

re: #372 Charles

It's really offensive to refer to this as a "litmus test." That implies that this is somehow nit-picking. Being opposed to racists and white supremacists is NOT nit-picking.

Charles, I was referring to calls earlier in this thread as to cleaning out the Republican party - I assumed that meant on many topics, not the least of which are those RINOs that adhere to more liberal stances on the size of government, foreign policy, etc. I was simply asking for suggestions of leaders who meet the conservative values, who are above any "surprises" in a deep search and who might be able to win in 2012.

406 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:18:15pm

re: #395 Sharmuta

You want to wear nazi t-shirts?

Wow, set up many strawmen in response to tough questions?

407 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:18:35pm
408 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:18:48pm

re: #391 Maui Girl


Anyone know where I can get a "Proud to sport a Tan!" t-shirt?

/just venting

How would one say Haole Pride in Hawaiian?
/

409 Jr Ewing  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:18:55pm

re: #391 Maui Girl

Why is it that no one would bitch if they went to the NAACP website and they were advertising "Black Pride" t-shirts. Would it be considered racist? I highly doubt it. And I'm not defending the CCC nor supporting it etc. But see the hypocrisy. Why do I have to feel "bad" if I want to don a "White Pride" t-shirt. I am not by any means a racist but I have definitely come to feel that I cannot wear anything that proclaims I'm proud to be Caucasian. Sad state of affairs.

Anyone know where I can get a "Proud to sport a Tan!" t-shirt?

/just venting

CCC are a bunch of NEO Nazi sympathizers..

come on...

410 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:19:13pm

I don't know why people attach personal pride to the accident that they are born into a particular set of genetic expression.
It immediately raises the question, "Ok, what else have you got?"

411 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:19:51pm

re: #302 MandyManners

Does CCC think the Allies were wrong to bomb Dresden?

Yes, but they're down with the Luftwaffe bombing of London.

412 The Shadow Do  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:20:04pm

re: #390 talon_262

...decent human beings with some common sense

Hey, this can be our new political party!

413 brookly red  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:20:08pm

re: #406 OldLineTexan

Wow, set up many strawmen in response to tough questions?

no shit.

414 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:20:15pm

re: #353 freetoken

Maybe the ones who still have integrity?

Okay, Mark Foley had integrity. He resigned over text messages. Scratch him off the list. Now who? Would Rahm Emanual resign over his actions attempt to take control of the Census? Who wins there?

415 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:20:28pm

re: #391 Maui Girl

Why is it that no one would bitch if they went to the NAACP website and they were advertising "Black Pride" t-shirts. Would it be considered racist? I highly doubt it. And I'm not defending the CCC nor supporting it etc. But see the hypocrisy. Why do I have to feel "bad" if I want to don a "White Pride" t-shirt. I am not by any means a racist but I have definitely come to feel that I cannot wear anything that proclaims I'm proud to be Caucasian. Sad state of affairs.


Anyone know where I can get a "Proud to sport a Tan!" t-shirt?

/just venting

Why would you want to wear it? You had NOTHING to do with the fact that your skin is lighter than others. Our color is up to fate.

416 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:20:35pm

re: #368 Scion9

You are pushing useful knowledge out of my head. Enough.


I'm not PUSHING anything out of your head or into your head I was noting that for Sharmuta. I dislike making statements that are incorrect in fact and although I don't like it, I do appreciate it when I am corrected. Funny thing is YOUR statement didn't push any useful knowledge out of MY head. The link may have been too much but you didn't have to click it and I did warn what it contained.

417 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:20:52pm

re: #406 OldLineTexan

It's a logical fallacy to point to the "black pride" t-shirts. No one is making excuses for black pride t-shirts just by saying nazi sold white pride t-shirts are bad. That is a tu quoque argument.

418 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:21:22pm

re: #391 Maui Girl

Why is it that no one would bitch if they went to the NAACP website and they were advertising "Black Pride" t-shirts. Would it be considered racist? I highly doubt it. And I'm not defending the CCC nor supporting it etc. But see the hypocrisy. Why do I have to feel "bad" if I want to don a "White Pride" t-shirt. I am not by any means a racist but I have definitely come to feel that I cannot wear anything that proclaims I'm proud to be Caucasian. Sad state of affairs.

Anyone know where I can get a "Proud to sport a Tan!" t-shirt?

/just venting

You definitely should NOT be defending these T-shirts. The seller of these things is the neo-Nazi website Stormfront.

And yes, there is a difference. The simple fact is that "White Pride" is absolutely, 100% a racist slogan only advanced by racists and Nazis.

419 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:21:42pm

This isn't conservative, it isn't what should be coming from the party of Lincoln. It's not conservative to want to tear down the constitution for religious purposes, it's not conservative to support hate groups even if only peripherally.

My first allegiance is to country and liberty, party be damned if these are going to be the leaders and pundits.

420 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:21:43pm

re: #410 jaunte

I don't know why people attach personal pride to the accident that they are born into a particular set of genetic expression.
It immediately raises the question, "Ok, what else have you got?"

agreed...no shit...everybody needs some trumped up identity and they forget they are American...that's first and foremost imo

421 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:21:45pm

re: #415 MandyManners

And we had nothing to do with the accomplishments of our forebears.
We have our own deeds to be responsible for.

422 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:21:57pm

re: #417 Sharmuta

It's a logical fallacy to point to the "black pride" t-shirts. No one is making excuses for black pride t-shirts just by saying nazi sold white pride t-shirts are bad. That is a tu quoque argument.

Another swing and a miss. Whatever. I'm not down with either gang, but heaven forfend the incongruities are ever stated.

423 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:22:27pm

re: #391 Maui Girl

LOL. You can't wear one of those. You'd be targeted by the American Cancer Society.
And Caucasians are responsible for all the evil on earth, from smallpox-laden blankets to .....well, 'European' and 'Caucasian' are just not polite words anymore. They conjure up thoughts of Christopher Columbus and George Washington, evil bastards both.
Sorry.
/semi-sarc alert/

424 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:22:33pm

I mean, really. Why be proud of something over which you have NO control? Color is not earned.

425 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:22:42pm

I'm not saying they don't have the right to wear one. Or that this group the CCC should not exist. The question is to have Anne Coulter associated with a conservative movement and speak at CPAC is a huge mistake on both moral and practical grounds.

426 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:22:47pm

re: #419 Thanos

This isn't conservative, it isn't what should be coming from the party of Lincoln. It's not conservative to want to tear down the constitution for religious purposes, it's not conservative to support hate groups even if only peripherally.

My first allegiance is to country and liberty, party be damned if these are going to be the leaders and pundits.

I'm with you.

427 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:22:54pm
428 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:23:10pm

How did this turn into a T-Shirt thread? It's about calling out someone on supporting white supremacists. Who gives a shit about t-shirts, you're distorting, on purpose by the way, the whole purpose of the post.

429 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:23:10pm

re: #183 Sharmuta

She pissed me off earlier this week by calling Olberman a woman.

Calling someone a "woman" as an insult is misogynistic.

Agreed. I used to like her edgy sense of humor, but it's no longer edgy - it's LAME. And now that she has hitched her wagon to white supremacists - game over.

430 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:23:11pm

re: #421 jaunte

And we had nothing to do with the accomplishments of our forebears.
We have our own deeds to be responsible for.

Precisely.

431 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:23:15pm

How about this t-shirt:

No Martyr Points for Me.

432 USCMSNE  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:23:16pm

re: #414 NelsFree

Okay, Mark Foley had integrity. He resigned over text messages. Scratch him off the list. Now who? Would Rahm Emanual resign over his actions attempt to take control of the Census? Who wins there?

Be careful there... If Foley had any integrity he wouldn't have put himself in that predicament.

433 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:23:29pm

re: #346 Scion9

FYI, it's a TV break, but it was interesting that the very first thing Huckabee brought up was what you clarified earlier about the bill regarding "anti religion" wording.

Too be fair though, he didn't really hold that opinion so much as repeat what others had said, although I suspect many won't have noticed that. //

434 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:23:40pm

re: #427 buzzsawmonkey

You can have Donald if you want him.

Shhhh, I'm swinging a HUGE trade with the Chinese ...

435 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:23:42pm

I'm by no means the smartest person in the room, but - honestly - did no one else see this coming? I'm either a freakin' clairvoyant, or a lot of peeps have had their blinders on about this scrawny, sensationalistic, ill-mannered, horse-faced wretch.

I'm thinking it's the latter. Truly, I find the broad repugnant, and always have. The fact she ever had any appeal to anyone else simply astounds me.

On a side note, I think we should start an LGF Dead Pool, of sorts. It would include right wing political figures that out themselves as wingnut socon lunatics before 2010, and assassinate their own character.

C'mon, it'll be fun ;-) It's too easy spotting the Dems, so they offer few surprises.

436 Render  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:23:56pm

Any second now we're gonna get the Marcus Epstein excuse...

WASP,
R

437 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:24:16pm

re: #432 USCMSNE

Be careful there... If Foley had any integrity he wouldn't have put himself in that predicament.

Or any sense whatsoever.

438 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:24:19pm

re: #428 rightwinger3

How did this turn into a T-Shirt thread? It's about calling out someone on supporting white supremacists. Who gives a shit about t-shirts, you're distorting, on purpose by the way, the whole purpose of the post.

The seller on the site is Stormfront.

439 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:24:25pm

re: #291 Mardukhai

Charles -- The CCC is a rebranding of the Citizens' Council of Segregation days. It was often called the "White Citizens' Council."

When I was attending high school back in the early '70's, we were having race riots. My father decided to check out a meeting of this group, and brought me along.

At the door was a table, and people at the table were handing out mimeographed flyers. I and my father both took one, and checked them out.

There was an ugly racist caricature of a black male on it, and underneath, it denounced all black males as interracial sexual predators, bent upon "despoiling the fair flower of white Southern womanhood." Mt father recoiled as if he'd been slapped, dropped the flyer where he stood, turned, and walked away. I dropped mine, and followed him. In the car on the way home, he advised me to never associate with people like that. I didn't need to be told, but it comforted me to hear him say it.

440 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:24:25pm

re: #431 jaunte

How about this t-shirt:

No Martyr Points for Me.

Good. Tho' "No Martyr Cookies for Me" might be a bigger hit among Lizards.

441 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:24:28pm

re: #427 buzzsawmonkey

You can have Donald if you want him.

I dig his comb over...I know...I'm a hayseed...Trump towers is cool tho!

442 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:24:44pm

re: #424 MandyManners

That's profound. And very true.
On the other hand, that pretty much lets out pride in any nationality, since most likely you didn't pick the spot in which your mother went into labor.

443 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:24:44pm

re: #424 MandyManners

I mean, really. Why be proud of something over which you have NO control? Color is not earned.

It breaks my heart Mandy...It's the 21st Century and look upon the landscape today..

444 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:24:45pm

re: #431 jaunte

How about this t-shirt:

No Martyr Points for Me.

Not even cookies?

445 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:24:59pm

re: #374 Scion9

Well, a good place to not start, is abandoning them preemptively in favor of ethnic nationalism. Just to state the obvious.


The European Union is trying to stamp out the individual identities of the member countries. Swedish education, for example, is downplaying teh Swedish identity. Should the Swedes stop thinking of themselves as Swedish? Will the Muslim population of Sweden take on the characteristics of Swedish nationals? I think (making this my own opinion) that the Muslims would remain Muslim, and the Swedes would stop being Swedish. Is that okay with you?

446 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:25:06pm

re: #404 Gus 802

I don't know where you are from, but black racist clubs are no fun to deal with either. Their history obviously is no where near as bloody as the KKK, but that is a matter of power and opportunity not ideology and will. White power/pride has a gag reflex to it from the weight of history.

The same way you would never expect to walk by a Neo-nazi book shop, but you can go into one filled with books praising communist murder and oppression and read up while sipping your chai in any major city, or see bronze statues of Lenin in some, etc.

I can't control when my gorge rises; its a matter of the heart I suppose. I know in my mind that there are evils that don't raise the instinctive red flags that they should because they haven't been drilled into my skull since day one though.

447 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:25:08pm

re: #444 MandyManners

Ok, cookies for you.

448 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:25:40pm

re: #435 theheat

Truly, I find the term broad as used repugnant, and I always have.

449 DeepThroat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:25:50pm

Would you consider this racist?

[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

450 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:26:00pm

re: #40 dentate

Phonecalls and emails would help to effect that.

451 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:26:36pm
The CCC’s columnists have written that black people are “a retrograde species of humanity,” and that non-white immigration is turning the U.S. population into a “slimy brown mass of glop.” Its website has run photographic comparisons of pop singer Michael Jackson and a chimpanzee. It opposes “forced integration” and decries racial intermarriage.

Indeed. Behold the horrors of miscegenation.

/heavy

452 Sunlight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:26:53pm

re: #397 buzzsawmonkey

I don't quite follow what you mean to say. I was observing that in my opinion Buchanan is an antisemite, whereas Coulter is merely smug and abrasive--and that it would have been easy for Deutsch to be just as abrasive in return, had he known how.

I'm sorry. I'm just rambling, trying to figure out what we can do.

453 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:26:56pm

re: #438 MandyManners

The seller on the site is Stormfront.

Okay. I'm trying to keep up but having problems with Firefox and the "spinning wheel of death".

454 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:27:05pm

re: #416 jcw46

I was just joking man. It's not a exactly a new one. Forgot the sarc tag.

455 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:27:10pm

re: #340 NelsFree

I have reviewed almost all the posts in this thread. There is something "Mark Foley" about all this. I shall not question the veracity of the facts around this Ann Coulter situation. My concern is that we are tearing down another Conservative. Who will be left? Republican George Allen was hounded out of the campaign for ONE WORD. Who will the Republican Party offer in 2012 for President? While we work to purge our ranks of those who fail some overall valid test or standard, the Democrats (who appear to enjoy NO standards) continue to turn this Country to Socialism. Republican Mark Foley was forced to resign, but Democrat Gary Studds ADMITTED TO HAVING A HOMOSEXUAL AFFAIR WITH A PAGE AND WON RE-ELECTION. What will we do when we have destroyed all those who don't meet our desired degree of perfection? Who will be left?
At a risk of a down-ding, I post!

This is akin to refusing to criticize the BNP for fear of 'tearing down a fellow antijihadist.'

456 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:27:25pm

It's certainly true that us Gringo-Americans could never get away with having an organization called the National Council of The Race.

(Not that I think we should, mind you.)

457 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:27:29pm

re: #442 tradewind

That's profound. And very true.
On the other hand, that pretty much lets out pride in any nationality, since most likely you didn't pick the spot in which your mother went into labor.

Isn't nationalism baed not on place so much as "race" and culture?

458 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:27:40pm

re: #391 Maui Girl

Why is it that no one would bitch if they went to the NAACP website and they were advertising "Black Pride" t-shirts. Would it be considered racist? I highly doubt it.
...

/just venting

Actually - "black pride" t-shirts are racist. But that's not the issue here. Would any normal thinking person where a "white pride" t-shirt?
btw - I don't see any offensive shirts here anyway.
[Link: www.naacp.org...]

459 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:27:58pm
460 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:28:18pm

re: #443 HoosierHoops

It breaks my heart Mandy...It's the 21st Century and look upon the landscape today..

Why? We're learning! We're growing!

Now, stop seeing a half-full glass!

461 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:28:28pm

re: #457 MandyManners

Hard to do if you're American, and proud of it. What's the national ethnicity?

462 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:28:54pm

Amazing. We're talking about an openly white supremacist website, for which Ann Coulter has made blatantly dishonest excuses, and at least a dozen people show up to focus on -- and make excuses for! -- 'White Pride' t-shirts.

463 Truck Monkey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:28:59pm

re: #449 DeepThroat

Would you consider this racist?

[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

Absolutely not.

464 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:29:05pm

re: #445 NelsFree

The European Union is trying to stamp out the individual identities of the member countries. Swedish education, for example, is downplaying teh Swedish identity. Should the Swedes stop thinking of themselves as Swedish? Will the Muslim population of Sweden take on the characteristics of Swedish nationals? I think (making this my own opinion) that the Muslims would remain Muslim, and the Swedes would stop being Swedish. Is that okay with you?

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.

465 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:29:15pm

So let me see if got this straight. Since people the left has organizations like La Raza, people that wear black-pride t-shirts, associations with Stalin, Mao, and others it would be acceptable for the right to associate with the opposite?

466 freetoken  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:29:19pm

re: #414 NelsFree

Okay, Mark Foley had integrity. He resigned over text messages.

Not to be too pedantic here... but I would say Foley did the honorable thing by resigning. It was the honorable thing to do because the whirlwind that he stirred up around himself kept him from doing his duty to properly serve his constituency.

Strangely, Foley was not always that "conservative" in the social sense and that self-identified conservatives these days mention Foley's ouster in some sort of bitter way is definitely ironic.

If the allegations are indeed true that Foley was running after House pages... then that would be a profound display of the lack of integrity because, just like Clinton with Lewinsky, one of the parties is the definite inferior to the other in the work setting and the exploitation by the superior is an abuse of power. The homosexual nature of Foley's indiscretions is irrelevant.

467 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:29:31pm

re: #422 OldLineTexan

Sorry, but if someone asks, "Why do I have to feel "bad" if I want to don a "White Pride" t-shirt" they might just get asked if they want to be wearing a nazi t-shirt, because that's the answer to the question. It's a fucking nazi shirt! That's why she should feel bad!

468 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:29:38pm

re: #447 jaunte

Ok, cookies for you.

Gotta' have milk, too.

469 DeepThroat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:29:55pm

re: #463 Truck Monkey

Absolutely not.

I don't understand the difference. Please elaborate.

470 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:29:56pm

re: #457 MandyManners

Yes, the nation is the "respectable" facade hastily erected for the naive.

471 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:30:18pm

re: #453 rightwinger3

Okay. I'm trying to keep up but having problems with Firefox and the "spinning wheel of death".

SHOOT YER FIREFOX.

472 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:30:31pm

re: #371 SpringheelJack

I agree. If we demand too much purity, we will not be able to form a coalition big enough to get anything done

If we embrace those who demand ethnic purity, we will not be able to draw enough decent people to get anything done.

473 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:30:35pm

Is the CCC racist? Looks that way from reading over their site. Having said that, I'll take all the outraged comments here seriously when I see an equivalent amount of uproar over La Raza or the NAACP. Racism comes in all colors and all of it deserves the same level of disgust, whether it comes from Jeremiah Wright or Michael Pfleger, just to pick a couple of random examples...

474 Red Pencil  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:30:41pm

re: #302 MandyManners

Does CCC think the Allies were wrong to bomb Dresden?

CCC, like Pat Buchanan, thinks the Allies were wrong to fight Hitler in the first place.

475 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:30:52pm

re: #449 DeepThroat

So you are saying that white pride and Jewish pride are equivalent?

476 opilio  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:30:59pm

re: #448 tradewind

Truly, I find the term broad as used repugnant, and I always have.

How do you feel about "dame"? As in, there is nothing like a...

477 Sunlight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:31:12pm

re: #462 Charles

Amazing. We're talking about an openly white supremacist website, for which Ann Coulter has made blatantly dishonest excuses, and at least a dozen people show up to focus on -- and make excuses for! -- 'White Pride' t-shirts.

What will they say about Huckabee? That's even wilder because he got a lot of votes. I wonder if Huckabee knows/hangs out with the VB people.

478 DeepThroat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:31:27pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout

So you are saying that white pride and Jewish pride are equivalent?

Yes. i don't see the difference.

479 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:31:30pm

Nice guys finish last.

480 kansas  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:31:31pm

re: #105 DoubleU

"Black pride" T-shirts are still ok?

As are hundreds of black only organizations. Maybe time to stop it with racism of all kinds?

481 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:31:35pm

re: #473 not neo just conservative

Is the CCC racist? Looks that way from reading over their site. Having said that, I'll take all the outraged comments here seriously when I see an equivalent amount of uproar over La Raza or the NAACP. Racism comes in all colors and all of it deserves the same level of disgust, whether it comes from Jeremiah Wright or Michael Pfleger, just to pick a couple of random examples...

So you're not outraged?

482 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:31:41pm

re: #432 USCMSNE

Be careful there... If Foley had any integrity he wouldn't have put himself in that predicament.

DING, DING, DING.

Exactly. All the fooraw over black pride t-shirts or having a wide stance or just texting some pages (instead of what Frank's buddy did) disguises the fact that they shouldn't have been doing this crap in the first place.
There's character and then there's CHARACTER. They KNEW what they were doing was WRONG and so does Coulter in her heart. To complain later that you're being held to a higher standard ----- YES YOU ARE!

483 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:31:44pm

re: #461 tradewind

Hard to do if you're American, and proud of it. What's the national ethnicity?

American transcends the old nationalism.

484 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:31:46pm

re: #432 USCMSNE

Be careful there... If Foley had any integrity he wouldn't have put himself in that predicament.

True. Others who don't care about integrity stay in power. That is my point. If you have a revolution, the ones who are most violent win. Stalin is an example. What integrity did he have? Which one would you want in office, Mark Foley of Josef Stalin?

485 Render  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:31:51pm

re: #461 tradewind

TW: Forgive me, but that's a rather silly question. There is no one "ethnicity" to being an American. A nation of immigrants from all over the world cannot have a single "ethnicity."

We are everybody.

WE
ARE
ALL,
R

486 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:31:53pm

re: #455 Salamantis

This is akin to refusing to criticize the BNP for fear of 'tearing down a fellow antijihadist.'

I think Nels was trying to make a macro point, but used a micro example. For instace, how many "conservatives" and/ or "republicans" did NOT vote for McCain due to disagreement with one issue or another? What did that get us? BHO!
Now if Mccain had embraced racism either overtly or covertly, I would have run from him like an Olympic sprinter. I didn't agree with him 100%. Hell, probably not 75%. BUT I KNOW I didn;t agree with "O" 100%

IMHO

487 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:32:03pm

'Human Being Pride!'...get some

488 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:32:14pm

re: #462 Charles

I'm surprised it hasn't turned into a gun thread yet.

But give it time.

489 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:32:24pm

re: #473 not neo just conservative

When has anyone here ever made excuses for La Raza?

490 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:32:32pm

re: #445 NelsFree

If you're identity is based on the color of your skin, the country you come from, or what religion you belong to then you are a weak individual indeed.

None of these things truly defines a human. You are a complex being with free will able to make choices, you are not some weak meat puppet indelibly charred by your countrie's culture. Once past the age of 10 or so you started making choices.

491 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:32:51pm

re: #478 DeepThroat

Then fuck off you racist piece of shit.

492 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:07pm

re: #458 FrogMarch

"wear" not "where"

493 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:10pm

re: #371 SpringheelJack

No one is seeking ideological homogeneity. But there are certain core principles that must be shared; and, IMHO, Individual Rights is not something to be flexible with. Either you respect them or you do not, if not; there's the door.

494 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:24pm

re: #446 Scion9

You might want to add the following to the KKK: a) Jim Crow laws b) lynchings c) denial of voting rights d) denial of civil rights.

And CCC is defending the neo-Nazis at the same time while blatantly attacking black, Jews, Albanians, and others.

495 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:25pm

re: #467 Sharmuta

Sorry, but if someone asks, "Why do I have to feel "bad" if I want to don a "White Pride" t-shirt" they might just get asked if they want to be wearing a nazi t-shirt, because that's the answer to the question. It's a fucking nazi shirt! That's why she should feel bad!

YET THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE SAID!

Holy beans, Batman. I don't give a rat's ass about the "Tan" t-shirt example, but you raged right past her actual statement and threw in a substitute.

I live in Texas. I have NO USE for the Nazis or the fucking KKK as I have actually seen BOTH. I've also been at a Black Panthers march. I don't like either because they're racist.

So I'm dropping it. Charles probably has me listed among the half-dozen t-shirt supporters, and that's not a group I want to join.

496 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:35pm

re: #473 not neo just conservative

Is the CCC racist? Looks that way from reading over their site. Having said that, I'll take all the outraged comments here seriously when I see an equivalent amount of uproar over La Raza or the NAACP. Racism comes in all colors and all of it deserves the same level of disgust, whether it comes from Jeremiah Wright or Michael Pfleger, just to pick a couple of random examples...

Where the fuck have you been for the past few years? We've raked them over the coals repeatedly.

497 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:37pm

re: #473 not neo just conservative

Is the CCC racist? Looks that way from reading over their site. Having said that, I'll take all the outraged comments here seriously when I see an equivalent amount of uproar over La Raza or the NAACP. Racism comes in all colors and all of it deserves the same level of disgust, whether it comes from Jeremiah Wright or Michael Pfleger, just to pick a couple of random examples...

Excuse me, but this is complete bullshit. La Raza, Jeremiah Wright, and Father Pleger have ALL been denounced at this website.

498 Curtis LeMay  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:40pm

Sad, if true. I always liked gun toting Annie's antics :(

A point of order: I really do not believe that Vlaams Belang could in any way, shape or form be lumped together with the likes of the BNP and the Front Nationale.

For Pete's sake, Vlaams Belang has but two core goals: advocating independence for Flanders (separating the french part of Belgium-called Wallonie-from the Dutch part) and strict limitations on muslim immigration.

Given that many of euroland's cities are literally being overrun by muslim immigrants, I can't say that I blame Vlaams Belang on that bit, eh?

Anyway, I got a question. How did we as a society ever let ourselves get to the point whereby it's ok to have a "black pride" day, while it would it be racist to have a "white pride" day? When can we expect "yellow pride" day? Or "albino pride" day?

And before someone tries to jump all over that question, don't waste your keystrokes, the love of my life is a dark(er?) skin Brazilian girl...

499 DeepThroat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:44pm

re: #491 Killgore Trout

Then fuck off you racist piece of shit.


What's that for?

Why don't you explain the difference?

500 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:51pm

re: #471 MandyManners

SHOOT YER FIREFOX.

Have Clint Eastwood steal it.

501 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:55pm

Umm, sorry. No dice. I don't think La Raza compares to these folks.

Nope.

502 Render  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:33:58pm

re: #477 Sunlight

Yes.

SORRY,
R

503 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:34:03pm

re: #473 not neo just conservative

People have, you disingenuous asshole.

504 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:34:07pm

re: #489 Killgore Trout

When has anyone here ever made excuses for La Raza?

Exactly. They have been raked across the coals, and so has Jeremiah Wright's liberation theology, and other ethnic nationalist and racist garbage on both sides of the Atlantic. Stop the finger pointing bull crap. Their racism doesn't excuse anyone else for theirs.

505 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:34:09pm

re: #448 tradewind

Being I am one, I find it more appropriate than repugnant, in this case.

506 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:34:13pm

re: #473 not neo just conservative

Is the CCC racist? Looks that way from reading over their site. Having said that, I'll take all the outraged comments here seriously when I see an equivalent amount of uproar over La Raza or the NAACP. Racism comes in all colors and all of it deserves the same level of disgust, whether it comes from Jeremiah Wright or Michael Pfleger, just to pick a couple of random examples...

Bad behaviour is no excuse for OTHER bad behaviour

507 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:34:14pm

re: #495 OldLineTexan

That is what she said- I took the

Why do I have to feel "bad" if I want to don a "White Pride" t-shirt.

right out of her comment.

508 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:34:31pm

re: #473 not neo just conservative

Let me paraphrase for you:

"because they are bad it's ok for us to be bad"....


Or as yer mum used to say "If the other kids jump off a cliff...."

509 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:34:32pm
510 tommy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:35:12pm

If species, including humans, are shaped by natural selection, then must not some branches of that species by definition be inferior to the selected branch? That is, if you are one who accepts evolution alone as the origin of man, why are you offended by the statement of the CCC cretins that some races are inferior?

Me, personally, I find the CCC to be vile, and evil, but it is because I believe G-d made each one of us, that he "knit us in the womb". Every person, every race, is equal before Him.

511 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:35:17pm

re: #474 Red Pencil

CCC, like Pat Buchanan, thinks the Allies were wrong to fight Hitler in the first place.

If I had had any doubts about Buchanan before that book, they would have been dispelled then.

512 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:35:37pm

re: #454 Scion9

I was just joking man. It's not a exactly a new one. Forgot the sarc tag.


m'kay. Too be honest the LINK was uncalled for but when I went to see if Sharmuta had it right and found that that's not the actual derivation of the term, I thought I'd point that out. No problemo.

513 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:36:08pm

re: #498 Curtis LeMay

I really do not believe that Vlaams Belang could in any way, shape or form be lumped together with the likes of the BNP and the Front Nationale.


Uhhh...maybe you should read up on this before you continue.

514 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:36:22pm

re: #484 NelsFree

True. Others who don't care about integrity stay in power. That is my point. If you have a revolution, the ones who are most violent win. Stalin is an example. What integrity did he have? Which one would you want in office, Mark Foley of Josef Stalin?

Paging Mr.Strawman!

515 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:36:24pm

re: #21 zombie

Well, I agree with you that we don't want them. But how do Democrats embrace
MoveOn and Truthers and Kos (oh my) and thrive?

516 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:36:45pm

And now here come the creationists with chips on their shoulders.

517 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:36:50pm

re: #506 sattv4u2

Bad behaviour is no excuse for OTHER bad behaviour

on that I will heartily agree...break the chain

518 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:36:57pm

re: #460 MandyManners

Why? We're learning! We're growing!

Now, stop seeing a half-full glass!

So you are saying I need a refill?
/ I deleted a long drawn out reply to you.. But because i was at a NASCAR party and maybe a lttle tippsie...Are you proud of me? LOL

519 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:36:58pm

re: #462 Charles

Amazing. We're talking about an openly white supremacist website, for which Ann Coulter has made blatantly dishonest excuses, and at least a dozen people show up to focus on -- and make excuses for! -- 'White Pride' t-shirts.

Exactly...if one were to substitute "Power" for "Pride" on all those t-shirts, whether it says White, Black, Brown, or whatever, what would a reasonable person with common sense think it was about?

I'll tell you what I think....it's racist, through and through.

520 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:37:03pm

re: #498 Curtis LeMay

That's an outright lie. If you read their manifesto they also want amnesty for Flemish nazis.

521 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:37:14pm

re: #449 DeepThroat

Would you consider this racist?

[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

It is absolutely racist when people take "pride" in Barbra Streisand, Woody Allen, and others who have Jewish DNA but otherwise act like anti-Semites.

522 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:37:18pm

I have a sneaky feeling stinky is oiling up the stick for some heavy duty action.

523 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:37:19pm
524 Killer Tomato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:37:28pm

re: #516 Charles

And now here come the creationists with chips on their shoulders.

Good - anyone bring dip?

525 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:37:34pm

re: #471 MandyManners

SHOOT YER FIREFOX.

I'm about to. And I would if I thought IE would help me out.

526 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:37:42pm

re: #455 Salamantis

This is akin to refusing to criticize the BNP for fear of 'tearing down a fellow antijihadist.'

Well, who will be left once we have purged the ranks of all those who fail to meet some standard of behavior all the time? Again, the opposition does not have the same moral standards we have. I agree that we should counsel wisely those who err. Once repentant, they should be welcomed back into the fold, as Jesus would.
Okay, now I've got to go talk to Ann. Anyone got her phone number?

527 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:37:42pm

re: #509 buzzsawmonkey

"White" is not an ethnicity.

it's not even a color...

528 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:38:03pm

re: #520 Thanos

That's an outright lie. If you read their manifesto they also want amnesty for Flemish nazis.

Nazis that have chest congestion!?!?!?!?!

//

529 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:38:07pm

re: #516 Charles

Boy, didn't see that coming... Knock me over with a feather.

530 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:38:10pm

Well this thread will do some much needed house cleaning.

531 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:38:22pm

re: #498 Curtis LeMay

Interesting handle... anything to do with the fact that he ran as VP with Wallace?

532 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:38:27pm

re: #498 Curtis LeMay

A point of order: I really do not believe that Vlaams Belang could in any way, shape or form be lumped together with the likes of the BNP and the Front Nationale.

For Pete's sake, Vlaams Belang has but two core goals: advocating independence for Flanders (separating the french part of Belgium-called Wallonie-from the Dutch part) and strict limitations on muslim immigration

They very much are cut from the same cloth as FN and BNP. So maybe you need to read up more on the subject.

P.S. Enjoy

533 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:38:31pm

re: #497 Charles

Excuse me, but this is complete bullshit. La Raza, Jeremiah Wright, and Father Pleger have ALL been denounced at this website.

That's right. The MSM gave Rev. Wright a pass (or at least they gave Obama a pass for his association with Wright) but LGF certainly did not.

534 SpringheelJack  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:38:37pm
When has anyone here ever made excuses for La Raza?

One thing that the Left does which contributes to their success, is they spend far more time being critical of Republicans than they do Democrats. At the present moment, what is the bigger threat to us, the Global Jihad or white rednecks?

535 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:38:40pm

re: #498 Curtis LeMay

Sad, if true. I always liked gun toting Annie's antics :(

A point of order: I really do not believe that Vlaams Belang could in any way, shape or form be lumped together with the likes of the BNP and the Front Nationale.

For Pete's sake, Vlaams Belang has but two core goals: advocating independence for Flanders (separating the french part of Belgium-called Wallonie-from the Dutch part) and strict limitations on muslim immigration.

Given that many of euroland's cities are literally being overrun by muslim immigrants, I can't say that I blame Vlaams Belang on that bit, eh?

Anyway, I got a question. How did we as a society ever let ourselves get to the point whereby it's ok to have a "black pride" day, while it would it be racist to have a "white pride" day? When can we expect "yellow pride" day? Or "albino pride" day?

And before someone tries to jump all over that question, don't waste your keystrokes, the love of my life is a dark(er?) skin Brazilian girl...

Have you even read LGF over the past 10 or so months?

536 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:38:40pm

re: #510 tommy

Oh, my mistake.

I thought this was the gun thread, not the evolution thread.

537 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:38:59pm

re: #522 MrPaulRevere

I have a sneaky feeling stinky is oiling up the stick for some heavy duty action.

Sunday night threads are some of the most explosive and rewarding...stay tuned

538 Truck Monkey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:39:02pm

re: #469 DeepThroat

I don't understand the difference. Please elaborate.

I think that the Jews have a lot to be proud of. Woud it be better if it said Israeli pride? I think that African Americans have a lot to be proud of as well. I don't have a problem with t-shirts to that effect either. White pride. Not so much.

539 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:39:09pm

re: #524 Killer Tomato

Good - anyone bring dip?

LOL

540 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:39:25pm

re: #527 albusteve

it's not even a color...

It's NOT!?!? I have one on my Crayola Super 64 pack!

541 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:40:03pm

re: #518 HoosierHoops

So you are saying I need a refill?
/ I deleted a long drawn out reply to you.. But because i was at a NASCAR party and maybe a lttle tippsie...Are you proud of me? LOL

Just don't forget the Iron Fist Rule!

542 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:40:06pm

re: #532 Sharmuta

Look at his handle and then consider this... and this.

543 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:40:21pm

re: #510 tommy

If species, including humans, are shaped by natural selection, then must not some branches of that species by definition be inferior to the selected branch? That is, if you are one who accepts evolution alone as the origin of man, why are you offended by the statement of the CCC cretins that some races are inferior?

Me, personally, I find the CCC to be vile, and evil, but it is because I believe G-d made each one of us, that he "knit us in the womb". Every person, every race, is equal before Him.

The difference being that some cultural values, e.g. Sharia Law, are anathema to those which should be universally cherished.

544 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:40:23pm

re: #526 NelsFree

Well, who will be left once we have purged the ranks of all those who fail to meet some standard of behavior all the time? Again, the opposition does not have the same moral standards we have. I agree that we should counsel wisely those who err. Once repentant, they should be welcomed back into the fold, as Jesus would.
Okay, now I've got to go talk to Ann. Anyone got her phone number?

Why don't you answer my reply to you? I'll repost it, since you seem to have missed it.

Why is it a "desired degree of perfection" to speak out against making excuses for FREAKING WHITE SUPREMACISTS?

If I refuse to dive into a sewer when everyone else is, does that make me obsessed with cleanliness?

Good grief.

545 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:40:51pm

re: #510 tommy

then must not some branches of that species by definition be inferior to the selected branch?

No, that's a complete misunderstanding of evolutionary biology. More or less adapted to current environment does not equal "Superior" and "Inferior". It just means "better adapted to current environment. There's no "superior" or "inferior" about it, get a clue.

546 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:40:52pm

re: #525 rightwinger3

I'm about to. And I would if I thought IE would help me out.

I rarely--as in never--have trouble with my IE.

547 Sunlight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:40:58pm

I think there's a book to be published about this tangled mess revealing itself here on LGF. I'd want it from Charles's point of view. It has been an eye opening process, built up by so many people's knowledge and experience.

548 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:41:01pm

re: #540 sattv4u2

It's NOT!?!? I have one on my Crayola Super 64 pack!

they lied to you :)

549 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:41:08pm

BBIAW ,,,, shower, then drive to work

HOOSIER,,, Will you still be here in about 90 minutes?

550 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:41:09pm

re: #527 albusteve

it's not even a color...

The absence of color?

551 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:41:26pm

Creationists, and racists, and fascists- oh my!

552 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:41:28pm
553 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:41:33pm

re: #541 MandyManners

Just don't forget the Iron Fist Rule!

I won't..Regards

554 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:41:37pm

re: #534 SpringheelJack

The racist/anti-Americans/theocrats are already amongst us and have more political sway than the jihadis (the military can handle the rest of their activities).

555 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:41:41pm

re: #469 DeepThroat

I don't understand the difference. Please elaborate.

White is a term for a race. Jewish is a term for an ethnicity/religion.
If you wore a t-shirt saying "Swedish Pride" (and you're swedish) that's ok.

GET IT?

(maybe that's not quite right but it's close, no?)

556 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:42:01pm

re: #531 Dan G.

Interesting handle... anything to do with the fact that he ran as VP with Wallace?

ZING.

557 Sunlight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:42:03pm

re: #536 Dar ul Harb

Oh, my mistake.

I thought this was the gun thread, not the evolution thread.

Nope, it's the white supremicist/racist thread.

558 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:42:20pm

re: #545 Thanos

It's a creationist talking point to try to label evolution as racist.

559 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:42:31pm
560 apachesam  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:43:05pm

Yes, let's all band together and condemn Ann and everyone who doesn't see our exact point of view. How dare she make a mistake or have a different thought than ours. Call her name and cast her aside.

561 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:43:07pm

re: #558 Sharmuta

It's a creationist talking point to try to label evolution as racist.

and it's already old for me

562 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:43:11pm

re: #498 Curtis LeMay

It's been my experience and observation that most "separatist" parties strive for some form of racial purity. They are also extremely bigoted, and small minded. I think that they are all, for some strange reason, antisemitic as well. So yes, yes we are tarring them all with the same brush, but only because that's what they are standing for as well.

563 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:43:12pm

re: #516 Charles

...with chips chimps on their shoulders


...and their pet velociraptors in tow.

564 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:43:42pm

I have a serious question...

Can one be an atheist jew?

565 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:43:55pm

re: #549 sattv4u2

BBIAW ,,,, shower, then drive to work

HOOSIER,,, Will you still be here in about 90 minutes?

yup..I start getting sleepy at about midnight.! :)

566 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:12pm

re: #320 DeepThroat

Who decides that?

Why isn't pride in ones heritage and race equally as important?

It's like religion, Deep Throat. We preserve pride in our heritage at home, and in private settings, we give it honor through our public behavior. And we don't confuse it with race, ever.

567 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:13pm

What is RACE, anyway?

568 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:21pm

re: #565 HoosierHoops

yup..I start getting sleepy at about midnight.! :)

K ,, will be back at 10 eastern

569 Sunlight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:22pm

re: #552 MandyManners

867-5309.

Time out to dance around the room.

570 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:23pm

re: #510 tommy

Evolution within a species is about exploiting an ecological niche douchebag. There is no human subspecies. 'Whites' are more sensitive to sunlight than 'blacks' because of their habitat. Being able to survive in either Africa's beating sun, or Scandinavian tundra isn't a matter of superiority in any quantitative fashion. What the hell man. Unbelievable. As if there wasn't tribalism, and supremacist colonialism before Darwin. Really.

571 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:24pm

re: #562 BlueCanuck

Vlaans Belangers NEVER hang out with Le Pen- oh wait.

572 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:28pm

re: #481 Charles

I didn't say that, Charles, though I'd have to admit that "outrage" is a stronger term than I'd use. I'm not going to go up in flames over it. Like I said, until all people of all races refuse to tolerate any action of any kind that is based on a persons melanin levels, I'm not going to get any more wound up about white racists that I do about black racists or West Asian racists or any other racists. If Ann Coulter wants to speak highly of a white racist organization, why should that upset me more than, oh, I don't know, the continued existence of a group operating openly within our government called the "Congressional Black Caucus"? Are they not by definition racist as well? Where is the outrage?

573 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:29pm

Why in the hell would anyone defend "White Pride" t-shirts?

Would you wear a "White Pride" t-shirt to church? No? Why not? There's nothing wrong with it, right?

Would you wear a "White Pride" t-shirt to the shopping mall? No? Why not? Because you're afraid of getting your ass kicked by decent people, perhaps?

This is a disgusting rationalization, people. Get a grip.

574 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:33pm

re: #473 not neo just conservative

Is the CCC racist? Looks that way from reading over their site. Having said that, I'll take all the outraged comments here seriously when I see an equivalent amount of uproar over La Raza or the NAACP. Racism comes in all colors and all of it deserves the same level of disgust, whether it comes from Jeremiah Wright or Michael Pfleger, just to pick a couple of random examples...

The racism of others is no excuse for the racism of these people.

575 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:53pm
This is completely beyond the pale.

Ann certainly is a "whiter shade of pale".

576 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:54pm

re: #560 apachesam

No lets' condemn supporters of racist organizations. Get it right bozo.

577 KansasMom  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:44:56pm

I was at my local Wal-Mart in December a few years ago. There were two guys, unkempt, loud, obnoxious, in other words hard not to notice. One was wearing a sweatshirt with a picture of Santa and the words "I'm dreaming of a white Christmas". Seemed normal enough until I read the next line. "Ku Klux Klan".
I think its pretty naive to think there is nothing sinister about a "white pride shirt" marketed by a racist group.

CCC...KKK...CCC...KKK

I think I'll stay the hell away from them both, and their little apologists too.

578 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:45:09pm

re: #486 sattv4u2

I think Nels was trying to make a macro point, but used a micro example. For instace, how many "conservatives" and/ or "republicans" did NOT vote for McCain due to disagreement with one issue or another? What did that get us? BHO!
Now if Mccain had embraced racism either overtly or covertly, I would have run from him like an Olympic sprinter. I didn't agree with him 100%. Hell, probably not 75%. BUT I KNOW I didn;t agree with "O" 100%

Thank you, Satt, you get it. Those who felt that McCain did not measure up to the Litmus Test for Conservatives did not support him, resulting in President Obama. I feel that, as a Country, we are worse off for that. I do not countenance Racism or Bigotry. The elimination of those who fail AT ALL, though, will lead to our undoing.
I see that my Karma has dropped. Sometimes you have to break an egg to make an omelet.

IMHO

579 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:45:14pm

re: #560 apachesam

I think it's the minority in the room that define white supremacy as simply a difference of opinion.

580 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:45:25pm

re: #538 Truck Monkey

I think that the Jews have a lot to be proud of. Woud it be better if it said Israeli pride? I think that African Americans have a lot to be proud of as well. I don't have a problem with t-shirts to that effect either. White pride. Not so much.

And therein lies the rub...generally speaking, slogans like "White/Black/Brown Pride" are racist and exclusionary, while something like "American Pride" is color-blind and inclusive and proclaims a love of country, something some people fail to grasp when trying to equivocate the "White/Black/Brown Pride" crap.

581 Curtis LeMay  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:45:29pm

re: #513 Killgore Trout

Uhhh...maybe you should read up on this before you continue.

Heya Killgore

Nah, I've done that. VB aren't racists, really. They are Felmish nationalists.

And they're about as racist as our Democratic Party was coz it had Senator KKK Byrd in it for a long time.

Go to Antwerp, go to Marseilles, go to Malmo, look through the eyes of a common Dutchman, Frenchman or Swede and see what's happening with the ramapant muslim immigration to their countries, and then read up on VB once again...

582 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:45:30pm

re: #560 apachesam

Yes, let's all band together and condemn Ann and everyone who doesn't see our exact point of view. How dare she make a mistake or have a different thought than ours. Call her name and cast her aside.

So what aspect of racism do you condone?

583 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:45:41pm

re: #562 BlueCanuck

It's been my experience and observation that most "separatist" parties strive for some form of racial purity. They are also extremely bigoted, and small minded. I think that they are all, for some strange reason, antisemitic as well. So yes, yes we are tarring them all with the same brush, but only because that's what they are standing for as well.

and what's wrong with that?...it's clean and efficient and gets the point acrossed...splitting hairs is for the weaker position...imo of course

584 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:46:06pm

Haven't read the whole thread. Further into the site they have a current article titled.

Black History Month 2009 has begun. Watch out for even worse slander against whites this year than ever before.

It definitely is a white only site. Advocating that the US is Christian only. I suspect if I read more it will be more of the same.

585 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:46:48pm

re: #568 sattv4u2

K ,, will be back at 10 eastern

I'm looking for some ball on TV..drive careful..

586 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:47:16pm

The Bean Scene is playing on Blazing Saddles.

587 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:47:24pm

re: #557 Sunlight

Nope, it's the white supremicist/racist thread.

Can't we get past all this obsession with racism and get back to talking about jihad?

/heavy sarc

588 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:47:28pm
589 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:47:37pm

re: #586 MandyManners

The Bean Scene is playing on Blazing Saddles.

Where?

590 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:47:42pm

re: #564 Sheepdogess

re: #567 MandyManners

Really
Atavistic
Classification of
Equals

591 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:48:05pm

re: #581 Curtis LeMay

So Filip's suddenly ok with his daughter marrying a black? He's on tape saying he's not. See Shire network podcasts.

592 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:48:05pm

re: #574 Salamantis

Where did I say that?

593 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:48:08pm
594 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:48:16pm

re: #586 MandyManners

The Bean Scene is playing on Blazing Saddles.

"Want some more beans, Mr. Taggart?"

"No, I think y'all have had enough!"

;-P

595 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:48:20pm
596 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:48:23pm

Conservatives get vilified for even talking to known racists. Senator Byrd belonged to the KKK (grand dragon or some such drivel) and he continues to be reelected to office. Double standard? I agree that we owe it to ourselves to take the moral high road. Ann should know better than that and as such has lost me as one of her fans over this. Once a conservative gets tarred with the racist label is there any redemption or are they forever suspect?

597 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:48:23pm

re: #573 Charles

Why in the hell would anyone defend "White Pride" t-shirts?

Would you wear a "White Pride" t-shirt to church? No? Why not? There's nothing wrong with it, right?

Would you wear a "White Pride" t-shirt to the shopping mall? No? Why not? Because you're afraid of getting your ass kicked by decent people, perhaps?

This is a disgusting rationalization, people. Get a grip.

I don't think decent people would kick someone's ass. Shun them for sure.

598 Render  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:48:45pm

re: #564 Sheepdogess

Yes. And No.

Buzzsawmonkey or somebody with more knowledge of the subject can explain this better then I can but I'll try...

One could be born of a Jewish mother, yet not practice the religious aspects of Judaism, and still find themselves on a Gestapo death list.

RECOGNITION,
R

599 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:48:45pm

re: #581 Curtis LeMay

That confirms my suspicion that your ignorance is permanent.

600 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:48:57pm

Note how a thread on Ann Coulter draws the VB apologists and DI reconstructions. This is educational.

601 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:49:06pm

re: #581 Curtis LeMay

We have, that's why we don't like them at all. With them it's not just about being Flemish or anti-muslim. All they are, are neo-nazis in sheep clothing. And the costume is starting to become thread bare.

602 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:49:27pm

re: #564 Sheepdogess

Disregard, I don't know how you got in my answer to Mandy.
But I guess yes, if you are using the term Jew as an ethnic description and not a religious one.
Probably not precise enough.

603 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:49:37pm

re: #572 not neo just conservative

I'm not going to get any more wound up about white racists that I do about black racists or West Asian racists or any other racists.

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ADOLPH FUCKING HITLER?!

604 freetoken  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:49:42pm

re: #534 SpringheelJack

At the present moment, what is the bigger threat to us, the Global Jihad or white rednecks?

False dilemma.

605 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:49:47pm

re: #498 Curtis LeMay

Sad, if true. I always liked gun toting Annie's antics :(

A point of order: I really do not believe that Vlaams Belang could in any way, shape or form be lumped together with the likes of the BNP and the Front Nationale.

For Pete's sake, Vlaams Belang has but two core goals: advocating independence for Flanders (separating the french part of Belgium-called Wallonie-from the Dutch part) and strict limitations on muslim immigration.

Given that many of euroland's cities are literally being overrun by muslim immigrants, I can't say that I blame Vlaams Belang on that bit, eh?

Anyway, I got a question. How did we as a society ever let ourselves get to the point whereby it's ok to have a "black pride" day, while it would it be racist to have a "white pride" day? When can we expect "yellow pride" day? Or "albino pride" day?

And before someone tries to jump all over that question, don't waste your keystrokes, the love of my life is a dark(er?) skin Brazilian girl...

You need to read the Vlaams Belang threads; you can find them in the tag cloud.

How's your GF like the fact that you chose George Wallace's presidential running mate as your LGF nick?

606 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:49:48pm

re: #523 buzzsawmonkey

If you embrace all the loonies without any objection, you can get a very big crowd in the tent.

By polarizing the argument, you have made another good point. The tent has to enforce standards. You should get a warning first. If, after demonstrated consistent bad behavior without repentance, out you go.

607 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:49:58pm
608 DeepThroat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:50:03pm

re: #509 buzzsawmonkey

"White" is not an ethnicity.

I see your point though I think many associate white with European ethnicity.

I believe subjects like this are hot topics because it feels inequitable.

Asian pride, Jewish pride, Black pride, gay pride etc. are phrases that can be heard on any street and campus and not raise an eye, but white pride will send a thread spinning.

Hardly cause for someone to tell me to "fuck off" and call me a "racist shit".

609 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:50:27pm

'Curtis LeMay' is not welcome to post any more comments at LGF.

610 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:50:37pm

re: #600 Thanos

Note how a thread on Ann Coulter draws the VB apologists and DI reconstructions. This is educational.

You can say that again!

611 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:50:39pm

It offends some peoples' sense of fairness when pridists other than white pridists more often seem to get a pass in the media and from politicians.
This does not in any way legitimize white supremacism.
But it may partly explain the chip on many non-racists' shoulders.

612 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:50:57pm

re: #581 Curtis LeMay

THWACK.

613 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:51:22pm

re: #545 Thanos

No, that's a complete misunderstanding of evolutionary biology. More or less adapted to current environment does not equal "Superior" and "Inferior". It just means "better adapted to current environment. There's no "superior" or "inferior" about it, get a clue.

Exactly. Judgementalism will get you every time. Who's to say what traits are superior and what traits are inferior? All of your dna is the result of the procreative activity of a previous ancestor. That's all it means; your dna was passed on to you. Period.

614 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:51:55pm

re: #600 Thanos

I expected a lot of people to defend Coulter but I wasn't expecting them to be so eager to embrace the White Pride concept.

615 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:51:56pm

re: #595 Sharmuta

VBer singing anti-Semitic song about the Holocaust

They aren't racists really, just go to...oh wait...maybe they are!

616 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:52:03pm
617 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:52:17pm

re: #567 MandyManners

Whatever a bigot wants it to be.

618 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:52:20pm

re: #581 Curtis LeMay

Go to Antwerp, go to Marseilles, go to Malmo, look through the eyes of a common Dutchman, Frenchman or Swede and see what's happening with the ramapant muslim immigration to their countries,

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.

619 jayzee  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:52:28pm

Thank you Charles for pointing this out though I am kind of sorry you did.

620 JHW  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:52:46pm

It makes about as much sense to wear one of those shirts as to get tattoos like these.
Idaho Gangs

621 Scion9  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:52:48pm

re: #608 DeepThroat


Asian pride, Jewish pride, Black pride, gay pride etc. are phrases that can be heard on any street and campus and not raise an eye, but white pride will send a thread spinning.

Yes. There is a double standard. This is not a revelation. Engaging in the same behavior eliminates your ability to ever point it out.

622 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:53:15pm

re: #614 Killgore Trout

I expected a lot of people to defend Coulter but I wasn't expecting them to be so eager to embrace the White Pride concept.

I completely was. I know a bit more background on this than you might however.

623 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:53:21pm

re: #595 Sharmuta

VBer singing anti-Semitic song about the Holocaust

Is that the one sung outside about a little girl?

624 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:53:33pm

re: #593 Iron Fist

Again, I never said I supported racists or racism. I was making the point that it is easy to get people completely wound around the axle over white racism, while racism by other people with other skin colors is routinely ignored. Charles took that to be a direct critique of LGF. I meant it more in a general way.

625 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:53:52pm

re: #614 Killgore Trout

Some people tend to get terribly simplistic and literal when asking the rhetorical question ' if they have black pride week why can't we have white pride week', etc.
It's a mindset that's not quite adult. Nuance has gotten a bad rap lately, but sometimes it's not such a bad thing.

626 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:53:54pm

re: #620 JHW

Ugh.

627 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:54:10pm

re: #614 Killgore Trout

I expected a lot of people to defend Coulter but I wasn't expecting them to be so eager to embrace the White Pride concept.

Maybe it was just the t-shirts. I heard someone mention they were some special kind of cotton.
/

628 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:54:19pm

I need some help with this

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

I am gonna be in the US next month. Can I join the US military under this program? I speak Persian language. Could they use it?

629 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:54:24pm

re: #609 Charles

'Curtis LeMay' is not welcome to post any more comments at LGF.

Bless your heart, you have more patience than I would have.

630 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:54:28pm

re: #105 DoubleU

"Black pride" T-shirts are still ok?

Yes, "Black Pride" T-shirts are okay, but "White Pride" T-shirts are not.

Double standard? Yes.

But as a "white guy," I look at it this way: if I wanted to show pride in my ethnic heritage, it's socially acceptable for me to wear a "Scotch/Irish Pride" or "Proud to be Polish" T-shirt.

On the other hand, "Proud to be Ashanti" or "Proud to be Malinke" aren't options for the vast majority of African-Americans -- because their ancestors were brought to the Americas under circumstances that made it impossible for them to preserve their ethno-linguistic identities so specifically. Thus, they have to make do with "Proud to be Black," and therefore it would be churlish of me to complain about a double standard.

631 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:54:38pm

I don't know how I feel about this. There are black supremacist groups that no one ever says anything about.

632 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:54:58pm

Just like the democrat/liberal left, the conservative side is made up of all sorts of factions and constituencies. Are these factions ever going to see eye to eye? No. For example, I'm more socially liberal than many on the "right". Yet I am a free market capitalist/ anti-big government anti-leftist semi-libertarian, and I need a home. I will not find that home among the democrat socialist left. (and that's when I say - perfection isn't on the menu -and I agreed to disagree with some of the factions... Fully aware that I'm not going to get everything I want)

blah blah blah - BUT There is no room for racism and a neo-nazi holocaust denying freak-show on the right. NO room.

633 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:55:09pm

re: #603 MandyManners

Yup. So what? If Hitler had been black would that have made him less evil?

634 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:55:09pm

re: #614 Killgore Trout

I expected a lot of people to defend Coulter but I wasn't expecting them to be so eager to embrace the White Pride concept.

Remember what you said to me in the pevious thread?

635 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:55:10pm

re: #498 Curtis LeMay

Sad, if true. I always liked gun toting Annie's antics :(

A point of order: I really do not believe that Vlaams Belang could in any way, shape or form be lumped together with the likes of the BNP and the Front Nationale.

For Pete's sake, Vlaams Belang has but two core goals: advocating independence for Flanders (separating the french part of Belgium-called Wallonie-from the Dutch part) and strict limitations on muslim immigration.

Given that many of euroland's cities are literally being overrun by muslim immigrants, I can't say that I blame Vlaams Belang on that bit, eh?

Anyway, I got a question. How did we as a society ever let ourselves get to the point whereby it's ok to have a "black pride" day, while it would it be racist to have a "white pride" day? When can we expect "yellow pride" day? Or "albino pride" day?

And before someone tries to jump all over that question, don't waste your keystrokes, the love of my life is a dark(er?) skin Brazilian girl...

When is Black Pride day? I missed the memo.

636 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:55:26pm

re: #391 Maui Girl

Why is it that no one would bitch if they went to the NAACP website and they were advertising "Black Pride" t-shirts. Would it be considered racist? I highly doubt it. And I'm not defending the CCC nor supporting it etc. But see the hypocrisy. Why do I have to feel "bad" if I want to don a "White Pride" t-shirt. I am not by any means a racist but I have definitely come to feel that I cannot wear anything that proclaims I'm proud to be Caucasian. Sad state of affairs.

Anyone know where I can get a "Proud to sport a Tan!" t-shirt?

/just venting


OldLineTexan- are you going to apologize to me for saying I didn't quote Maui Girl correctly?

637 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:55:29pm

backre: #445 NelsFree

The European Union is trying to stamp out the individual identities of the member countries. Swedish education, for example, is downplaying teh Swedish identity. Should the Swedes stop thinking of themselves as Swedish? Will the Muslim population of Sweden take on the characteristics of Swedish nationals? I think (making this my own opinion) that the Muslims would remain Muslim, and the Swedes would stop being Swedish. Is that okay with you?

Europe is Europe's problem.

638 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:55:33pm

re: #630 Throbert McGee

"Churlish".

;)

Upding for you.

639 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:55:36pm

re: #623 MandyManners

Yes

640 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:55:59pm

re: #633 not neo just conservative

See Mugabe, Robert. Amin, Idi.
Just a smaller scale of evil.

641 SirRobert  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:56:06pm

It truly is unfortunate that when a single conservative voice gets associated with a clearly (or easily identifyable) racist group it stains the ENTIRE movement. And one can argue rightfully so even though it is a single voice and not the voice of the whole.

Unfortunately, the analogy does not work both ways. If a leftist voice supports Communism, Ismamic Terrorism, Islamic Sharia Law, or killing of prominent Republicans, it does not tarnish the entire movement. It gets ignored.

It is not fair, but it IS reality. Conservatives can only control and monitor their own actions and persuade similar minded people to stay out of gray areas.

642 Killer Tomato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:56:10pm

re: #560 apachesam

Yes, let's all band together and condemn Ann and everyone who doesn't see our exact point of view. How dare she make a mistake or have a different thought than ours. Call her name and cast her aside.

If you wish the country to remain under one party rule (and I used that term on purpose); if you wish to see Conservatives wander in the wilderness for 40 years, then sure, it makes perfect sense for people who associate with hate mongering organizations to act as front persons for Conservatives.

643 Clemente  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:56:39pm

re: #573 Charles

Why in the hell would anyone defend "White Pride" t-shirts?

Would you wear a "White Pride" t-shirt to church? No? Why not? There's nothing wrong with it, right?

Would you wear a "White Pride" t-shirt to the shopping mall? No? Why not? Because you're afraid of getting your ass kicked by decent people, perhaps?

This is a disgusting rationalization, people. Get a grip.

Not many job interviews to which you could wear such garbage. If you did find one, just imagine the character of your fellow applicants.

644 summergurl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:56:58pm

re: #573 Charles

Why in the hell would anyone defend "White Pride" t-shirts?

Would you wear a "White Pride" t-shirt to church? No? Why not? There's nothing wrong with it, right?

Would you wear a "White Pride" t-shirt to the shopping mall? No? Why not? Because you're afraid of getting your ass kicked by decent people, perhaps?

This is a disgusting rationalization, people. Get a grip.

I would not wear a white pride tshirt just like I wouldn't fly a Confederate flag in my front yard. Folks can justify it however they want - they know what it represents and its wrong

645 Maui Girl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:57:01pm

re: #395 Sharmuta

You want to wear nazi t-shirts?

Not at all but why would wanting to wear a t-shirt that says I'm proud to be a white person be considered racist? Do you see my point? If I were Native American, it would be okay to wear a "Proud to be Red", right? It's just a whole confusing issue.

646 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:57:11pm

I've spoken up pro Ann Coulter before. I haven't read her current book. I think she was spot on in regards to McCarthyism. And I always enjoyed seeing her skewer liberal hypocrisy in a way most people are afraid to do. I measured that as sarcasm on her part. The only way to get her point across was to be extreme.

But I also used to enjoy Pat Buchanan on CNN and Crossfire.

Sometimes as people find themselves in the extremes of age, wealth, fame, or power they wake up and no longer find a need to have their real opinions shackled by a mask. Martin Luther was like this?

Sometimes extremely smart people paint themselves into a corner. I think that happens a lot. And they can't admit it, they would prefer to stand there until the paint dries then be wrong.

Ann is rich and famous on our book dollars, there is no harm in taking her to task on yecism or racism. Is she holding on to CCC because of people she knows there or because she buys t-shirts there?

White power advocates seem to have a definite feel to them. Weasel is the best term I can come up for them. Sorry to offend the animal kingdom. American X.

647 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:57:25pm

Candygram for Mongo!

648 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:57:29pm

re: #625 tradewind

Over the past few years most of the supremacist/racist leadership has morphed to "tribalist / racialist" it's an extremely "nuanced" stance.

In 2004 most of the White Nationalist hate groups in North America gathered and signed onto a declaration that they would start carrying a "Higher tone"... get the nuance in that?

649 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:57:49pm

This kind of crap, by the way, is exactly why the Democrats now control both houses of Congress, and the Republicans have lost big in the last two national elections.

650 researchok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:57:58pm

From the CCC Statement of Principles:

2. We believe the United States is a European country and that Americans are part of the European people. We believe that the United States derives from and is an integral part of European civilization and the European people and that the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character. We therefore oppose the massive immigration of non-European and non-Western peoples into the United States that threatens to transform our nation into a non-European majority in our lifetime. We believe that illegal immigration must be stopped, if necessary by military force and placing troops on our national borders; that illegal aliens must be returned to their own countries; and that legal immigration must be severely restricted or halted through appropriate changes in our laws and policies. We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called “affirmative action” and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races.

651 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:58:01pm

re: #509 buzzsawmonkey

"White" is not an ethnicity.

Bingo.

652 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:58:04pm

I'm confused.

653 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:58:12pm

re: #451 Dirk Diggler

Indeed. Behold the horrors of miscegenation.

/heavy

Truly, just awful. .

:0

654 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:58:17pm

re: #631 Afrocity

I don't know how I feel about this. There are black supremacist groups that no one ever says anything about.

Could that be because they're not known widely?

655 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:58:37pm

re: #636 Sharmuta

OldLineTexan- are you going to apologize to me for saying I didn't quote Maui Girl correctly?

I apologize.

I read the post and got her point. But I did not focus enough on the phrase. My mistake, which I own up to.

656 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:58:38pm
657 Render  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:58:43pm

re: #631 Afrocity

We have.

We fire in all directions.

"We're surrounded, that simplifies things."
-Chesty Puller

UNION,
R

658 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:58:53pm

re: #647 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Candygram for Mongo!

Mongo like candy. :D

659 Sunlight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:58:54pm

re: #591 Thanos

So Filip's suddenly ok with his daughter marrying a black? He's on tape saying he's not. See Shire network podcasts.

Yay Shire Network News! They are fabulous and I got an e-mail saying they are renovating. (Do you think Curtis is really fjordman?)

660 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:59:03pm

re: #640 tradewind

Exactly.

661 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:59:05pm

re: #633 not neo just conservative

Yup. So what? If Hitler had been black would that have made him less evil?

What in the world? That question makes absolutely no sense.

662 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:59:35pm

re: #631 Afrocity

I don't know how I feel about this. There are black supremacist groups that no one ever says anything about.

Yea.it's complex for sure..But as I have posted before I was introduced as a kid to Top Cat of the Black Panther Party by my Priest..I'll admit to any person he inspired me as a kid..

663 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:59:41pm

I am just saying that as an African American, I know first hand that there are blacks that hate Caucasians. I think there was more racism during the election from AAs than anyone else.

664 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:59:54pm

re: #639 Sharmuta

Yes

It really rattled me.

665 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 5:59:59pm

re: #657 Render

hooah!

666 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:00:01pm

So, is Thomas Sowell black or white?

667 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:00:03pm

re: #648 Thanos

Yes, but that wasn't my point, which was that the nuance of ' white pride ' is an underlying racist tone. Sorry, but it just carries that today, and it earned it.
If you mean that the neanderthals of race-hating groups are going to try to appear more genteel, then yeah, I have seen that, but it won't really work for 'em.

668 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:00:06pm

re: #631 Afrocity

Wrong, did you miss Charles posts on Wright during the election or something? His printing of the church magazine cover? His past articles on NOI and Black Panthers? Did you miss the postings in spinoffs of the Black Panthers attempting intimidation of voters on election day?

669 Pastorius  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:00:13pm

I get sick to my stomach when I see people wearing white pride, brown pride, black pride, or whatever, ethnic wear.

I dislike all of that stuff intensely. I suspect it all comes from the same place. I have seen nothing to indicate that it does not.

670 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:00:21pm

OT - (things that make me ill)

Bust Of Winston Churchill No Longer Wanted In Oval Office.

A bust of the former prime minister once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the Government's art collection after the September 11 attacks, has now been formally handed back.

The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure.

But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."

Uhg.. HT: the Jawa Report

671 SpringheelJack  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:00:22pm

re: #587 Dar ul Harb

Can't we get past all this obsession with racism and get back to talking about jihad?

/heavy sarc

Here's my thing: I am not a "white power" guy, nor am I a fundamentalist Christian (actually I'm mostly agnostic), and I don't have strong opinions about abortion in either direction. But I will not spend time and energy obsessing about some "white power" guys, or fundies, or radical anti-abortionists when there are Jihadis plotting carnage upon the US.

672 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:00:28pm

re: #655 OldLineTexan

Thank you.

673 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:00:34pm

re: #663 Afrocity

I just don't get all the hate. G'night folks.

674 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:00:38pm

re: #564 Sheepdogess

I have a serious question...

Can one be an atheist jew?

Yes. One can even be an Orthodox atheist Jew.

675 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:04pm

re: #666 Sheepdogess

I've heard him maligned as a kind of cookie.
Go figure.

676 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:15pm

re: #483 MandyManners

American transcends the old nationalism.

American's are inter-related. We share the blood that has been spilled.

677 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:18pm

re: #645 Maui Girl

Not at all but why would wanting to wear a t-shirt that says I'm proud to be a white person be considered racist? Do you see my point? If I were Native American, it would be okay to wear a "Proud to be Red", right? It's just a whole confusing issue.

it's needlessly divisive..find something else to be proud about rather than your skin tone...find some depth...I live in NM and have never seen a Red Pride tee...what's the point besides making a confrontational political statement using clothing?

678 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:18pm
679 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:23pm

re: #661 MandyManners

It's a simple question. Try reading slower and sounding out the words.

680 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:27pm

re: #649 Charles

This kind of crap, by the way, is exactly why the Democrats now control both houses of Congress, and the Republicans have lost big in the last two national elections.

The reason why they control both houses of congress ...

Television

681 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:28pm

re: #654 MandyManners

Operation PUSH, Black Panthers, Rev Wright, Farrakhan...all black supremacists

682 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:32pm

My keyboard is taking a pounding and I've reached my limit. bbiaw

683 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:32pm

re: #659 Sunlight

Yay Shire Network News! They are fabulous and I got an e-mail saying they are renovating. (Do you think Curtis is really fjordman?)

No, Fjordman was anal about spelling and that wasn't long winded enough.

684 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:49pm

re: #668 Thanos

Wrong, did you miss Charles posts on Wright during the election or something? His printing of the church magazine cover? His past articles on NOI and Black Panthers? Did you miss the postings in spinoffs of the Black Panthers attempting intimidation of voters on election day?

Registered February 8, 2009.

So, possibly Yes.

685 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:01:53pm

'SpringheelJack' is not welcome to post comments at LGF.

686 Truck Monkey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:02:05pm

re: #598 Render

Yes. And No.

Buzzsawmonkey or somebody with more knowledge of the subject can explain this better then I can but I'll try...

One could be born of a Jewish mother, yet not practice the religious aspects of Judaism, and still find themselves on a Gestapo death list.

RECOGNITION,


R

My wifes uncles all ended up as dust in Auschwitz even though they were more Communist than Jewish.... or Polish for that matter.

687 brookly red  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:02:14pm

re: #631 Afrocity

I don't know how I feel about this. There are black supremacist groups that no one ever says anything about.

The way I see it is either everyone has free speech, or no one does. It is simplistic I know, but freedom is an absolute.

688 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:02:14pm

re: #616 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, indeed. As Render points out in #598, to be considered a Jew ethnically by other Jews, all one needs to do is to be born of a Jewish mother. Whether or not one is religiously observant does not affect one's ethnicity.

The Lubavitch Chasidim, the most "evangelical" of Orthodox Jews, do not attempt to convert non-Jews; they bend their efforts to getting non-observant Jews to become more observant.

I really have very little patience for people who look for every little drop of Jewish ancestry in their favorite celebrities, so they can have something to be "proud of." They defend themselves by saying, "but (insert name of non-Jewish celebrity) would be considered 'Jewish' by Hitler!"

How is it not racist to allow Hitler to determine what a Jew is?

689 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:02:40pm

re: #399 Charles

Want to register a sock, just so I can give an extra upding to that one.

690 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:02:44pm

re: #564 Sheepdogess

yes

691 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:03:03pm

Until this point, I would have been an Ann Coulter defender, but in the immortal words of Roberto Duran, per the punishment Sugar Ray Leonard was inflicting upon him, "no mas."

692 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:03:08pm

re: #649 Charles

The budget-busting Republicans who forgot any sense of fiscal responsibility helped .

693 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:03:08pm

re: #605 Salamantis

Wiki to the rescue:

Due to his unrelenting opposition to the Johnson administration's Vietnam policy and what was widely perceived as his hostility to Secretary McNamara, LeMay was essentially forced into retirement in February 1965, and seemed headed for a political career. Moving to California, he was approached by conservatives to challenge moderate Republican Thomas Kuchel for his seat in the United States Senate in 1968, but he declined. For the presidential race that year, LeMay originally supported Richard Nixon; he turned down two requests by George Wallace to join his American Independent Party that year, on the grounds that a third party candidacy might hurt Nixon's chances at the polls. (By coincidence, Wallace had served as a sergeant in a unit commanded by LeMay during World War II.). However, LeMay gradually became convinced that Nixon planned to pursue a conciliatory policy with the Soviets, and to accept nuclear parity, rather than retain America's first strike supremacy. This led him to not only throw his support to Wallace, who advocated a strong military, but also accept the spot as his running mate. The General was dismayed, however, to find himself attacked in the press as a racial segregationist because he was running with Wallace; indeed, LeMay had been a strong advocate for desegregating the armed forces, and he had never considered himself a bigot. When Wallace announced his selection in October 1968, LeMay opined that he, unlike many Americans, clearly did not fear using nuclear weapons. His saber-rattling did not help the Wallace campaign.

The Wallace/LeMay AIP ticket received 13.5 percent of the popular vote, higher than most third party candidacies in the United States, and carried 5 states for a total of 46 electoral votes, but this was not enough to deny Nixon his election as 37th President of the United States. Following the 1968 election, LeMay returned to private life, including pursuing several charitable projects. He declined further suggestions to run for political office.

694 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:03:11pm

re: #671 SpringheelJack

Bye bye. Should have known some one with your nic wouldn't last long.

695 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:03:12pm

re: #564 Sheepdogess

Judaism is a culture

696 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:03:20pm
697 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:03:31pm

re: #628 winston06

You could also talk to the State Dept, NSA, CIA, etc. They are always looking for translators.

698 Sunlight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:03:47pm

re: #600 Thanos

Note how a thread on Ann Coulter draws the VB apologists and DI reconstructions. This is educational.

See 547. Are you a writer?

699 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:03:56pm

re: #637 ggt

back


Europe is Europe's problem.

If we do not learn from what is happening in Europe, we shall regret it.

700 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:04:09pm

re: #663 Afrocity

I am just saying that as an African American, I know first hand that there are blacks that hate Caucasians. I think there was more racism during the election from AAs than anyone else.

Recovered alcoholics are racist? Who knew?

701 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:04:16pm

re: #645 Maui Girl

Not at all but why would wanting to wear a t-shirt that says I'm proud to be a white person be considered racist? Do you see my point? If I were Native American, it would be okay to wear a "Proud to be Red", right? It's just a whole confusing issue.

We don't excuse nazi "white pride" t-shirts by saying other people have t-shirts with "black pride" on them. That's not a logical argument.

702 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:04:28pm

re: #668 Thanos

Wrong, did you miss Charles posts on Wright during the election or something? His printing of the church magazine cover? His past articles on NOI and Black Panthers? Did you miss the postings in spinoffs of the Black Panthers attempting intimidation of voters on election day?

Thanos are you speaking to the correct person?

1. I was not coming to this blog during the election
2. I know everything you are saying, I live in Chicago so I know rev. Wright quite well. All of my posts have stated that blacks can be prejudiced.

703 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:04:36pm

re: #692 tradewind

McCain as the nominee after his long career of screwing Republicans didn't help.

704 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:04:40pm

re: #694 BlueCanuck

I was thinking the same thing.

705 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:05:00pm

re: #635 SanFranciscoZionist

probably he meant the month of Feb. Black history month

706 JHW  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:05:04pm

These shirts for one thing can be used as proclaiming solidarity with a group more than personal pride in heritage, which point I was making in my post 620 about tattoos, well known to identify affiliations among inmates for example. They come from all racial groups, but the use by one group does not excuse the use by others. They are territorial markers, expressions of solidarity, against the "other", whoever that might be.

707 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:05:12pm

re: #20 Sharmuta

The right has a serious problem on it's hands. We're infested with kooks and they need to go. And I don't want to hear arguments about the moonbats on the left- that's their problem. This one is ours.

Unless Pres. Obama blows up a dam somewhere, I don't think the GOP will win the next election(s). The big tent GOP is not functioning. I myself, think there is too much big government, unattended corruption, and permissive sexual deviancy in the GoP leadership. The MSM makes those folks cloud out the good guys.

The GoP would be better off tearing itself down and rebuilding up with a Hispanic base that loves the US Constitution. The Far White Scowlers need to be chucked. Part of the GoP platform should be when ones checks American on the census or a job application, then it means one has a bi-racial heritage.

708 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:05:34pm

re: #697 Killgore Trout

They don't hire non-citizens. Much less immigrants or tourists

709 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:05:38pm

re: #631 Afrocity

I don't know how I feel about this. There are black supremacist groups that no one ever says anything about.

Hey, give us links, and we'll say plenty about them!

710 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:05:48pm

re: #649 Charles

It also explains why Jews and blacks don't even consider the Republican party. Hispanics are teetering on the fence but I wouldn't be surprised to see more of them leaning Dem in the future.

711 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:05:52pm

re: #526 NelsFree

Well, who will be left once we have purged the ranks of all those who fail to meet some standard of behavior all the time? Again, the opposition does not have the same moral standards we have. I agree that we should counsel wisely those who err. Once repentant, they should be welcomed back into the fold, as Jesus would.
Okay, now I've got to go talk to Ann. Anyone got her phone number?

Purge? Nice choice of words.

/

712 freetoken  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:05:56pm

re: #692 tradewind

Not to mention the Duke Cunninghams of the party who end up in jail...

713 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:06:04pm

re: #669 Pastorius

I get sick to my stomach when I see people wearing white pride, brown pride, black pride, or whatever, ethnic wear.

I dislike all of that stuff intensely. I suspect it all comes from the same place. I have seen nothing to indicate that it does not.

Tribal nationalism is one of the last great evils on earth. However nationalism, and patriotism is not. That's why I love this country. Right now we are focusing on it because it's an evil trying to insinuate itself into the Republican party, but here in the US this recrudescent racism is actually rare among Americans. The hard part is that the ones who are racists are not just passionately twisted, they are also persistent, and they see a power vacuum. Power vacuums and crisis always suck the cockroaches into the light.

714 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:06:05pm
715 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:06:20pm

re: #706 JHW

These shirts for one thing can be used as proclaiming solidarity with a group more than personal pride in heritage, which point I was making in my post 620 about tattoos, well known to identify affiliations among inmates for example. They come from all racial groups, but the use by one group does not excuse the use by others. They are territorial markers, expressions of solidarity, against the "other", whoever that might be.

I don't believe in black pride either. I think it's an idea that has gone south.

716 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:06:30pm

re: #699 NelsFree

If we do not learn from what is happening in Europe, we shall regret it.

I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I've asked you. Twice.

717 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:06:35pm

re: #661 MandyManners

Mandy that question he posed is the definition of a non sequitur: It is a comment which, due to its lack of meaning relative to the comment it follows, is absurd to the point of being humorous or confusing. Its use can be deliberate or unintentional. Literally, it is Latin for "it does not follow."

718 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:06:50pm

re: #700 Alouette

I use AA to abbreviate African Americans, between blogging and my job I get sick of typing the entire thing.

719 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:07:05pm

re: #681 Afrocity

good one

720 Idle Drifter  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:07:05pm

re: #657 Render

Oorah!

721 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:07:22pm

re: #703 not neo just conservative

True. I think the number of Republicans who would espouse what Coulter says, literally, is probably not all that large. And they probably don't vote, too busy convening.
That said, I still believe McCain would have won this election but for the financial collapse of the banks, housing, etc. He was ahead before it hit the fan(nie mae),

722 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:07:52pm

re: #708 winston06

Yes they do. Trust me, I know. I have some very dear family friends who gained citizenship through those programs.

723 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:08:01pm

re: #670 Yankee Division Son

OT - (things that make me ill)

Bust Of Winston Churchill No Longer Wanted In Oval Office.

Uhg.. HT: the Jawa Report

Each day I think B Huessin O cannot disgust me further, he sinks to a new level.

724 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:08:10pm

re: #550 Crimsonfisted

The absence of color?

It all depends if you are referring to pigment or light. White pigment is no color, white light is all colors.

725 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:08:25pm

re: #663 Afrocity

I am just saying that as an African American, I know first hand that there are blacks that hate Caucasians. I think there was more racism during the election from AAs than anyone else.

Probably true, but except for Jeramiah Wright being called out, and no thanks to the MSM and Dems, Dems are reluctant to point to those groups you mentioned as racist. It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.

726 Killer Tomato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:08:29pm

re: #707 hazzyday

Part of the GoP platform should be when ones checks American on the census or a job application, then it means one has a bi-racial heritage.

huh?

727 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:08:35pm

re: #722 Killgore Trout

how? I'd love to serve.

728 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:08:56pm

re: #723 Crimsonfisted

Each day I think B Huessin O cannot disgust me further, he sinks to a new level.

Hey, Winston was half-American, too.

///////////////////////

729 Clemente  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:09:11pm

re: #647 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Candygram for Mongo!

Rotatable titlage!

/I know, that's no word...

730 Truck Monkey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:09:12pm

re: #641 SirRobert

It truly is unfortunate that when a single conservative voice gets associated with a clearly (or easily identifyable) racist group it stains the ENTIRE movement. And one can argue rightfully so even though it is a single voice and not the voice of the whole.

Unfortunately, the analogy does not work both ways. If a leftist voice supports Communism, Ismamic Terrorism, Islamic Sharia Law, or killing of prominent Republicans, it does not tarnish the entire movement. It gets ignored.

It is not fair, but it IS reality. Conservatives can only control and monitor their own actions and persuade similar minded people to stay out of gray areas.

Conservatives are held to a higher standard because they have them.

731 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:09:16pm

re: #722 Killgore Trout

"Special talent" fast-track, right?

732 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:09:35pm

re: #727 winston06

Remind me next week and I'll find out for you.

733 JacksonTn  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:09:58pm

Good Evening Lizards ...

Back from the work trip up north ...too cold for me ..

Ann Coulter is out for Ann Coulter ...selling books ...she also needs to eat ...

I think the Congressional Black Caucus should be NO MORE ...why do we need to have a Black Caucus ..I mean we have a Black president now ...

I guess I should take a look at the news since I have not watched it for a week ...is Obama still President? ...

734 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:10:00pm
735 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:10:00pm

re: #674 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. One can even be an Orthodox atheist Jew.

Orthodox Atheist Jew Power and Pride!

736 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:10:12pm

re: #723 Crimsonfisted

I am glad. BHO shouldnt be any where near those historic figures. It is an insult to those like Truman, Churchill or Reagan. Keep Churchill's dignity away from BHO's reach

737 apachesam  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:10:16pm

Wow, such negative waves from the Lizard Army. I got 9-plus negatives in less than 10 Minuets (Post 560). I use sarcasm to point out how quick we are to condemn anyone who would dare violate Lizard orthodoxy with little investigation. How about we ask Ann Coulter about the book before we start the fires to burn both.

Quite frankly, I’m quite use to finding this type of monolithically one side debate on DU, DK, or Huffing and Puffing Post.

And now I suck because I differ? Same on me I guess.

738 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:10:36pm

Damn- this shit just makes me sick.

I don't understand bigotry, and I never have. I never will.

739 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:10:47pm

re: #717 MrPaulRevere

It wasn't a non sequitur. When I commented earlier that I felt all racism was equally abhorrent, regardless of the color of your skin, Mandy "ALL CAPS" Manners used Adolf Hitler as the justification for her seeming position that White racism is worse than other flavors. I asked her a simple question to give her the opportunity to clear up her position.

740 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:10:55pm

Re Republicans as bigots: who was the last African American chairman of the Democrat Nat'l Committee? The last president to appoint an African American Sec'Def? Sec State?

741 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:10:58pm

re: #663 Afrocity

I am just saying that as an African American, I know first hand that there are blacks that hate Caucasians. I think there was more racism during the election from AAs than anyone else.

Probably true but understandable because of BHO's election having milestone status. I would hope (but won't hold my breath) that the next presidential election can be devoid of race as either an excuse or an indictment. Just plain old beatem-up-verbally and call-them-names type of politics. No more broad-based group of victims no more broad-based group of victimizers.

742 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:11:02pm

re: #734 taxfreekiller

We know. But there are enemies within as well which undermine any attempt to thwart such things.

743 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:11:13pm

re: #732 Killgore Trout

when should I remind you? I am gonna talk to a military recruiter next month when I am in the States. I am too old for the Marines but Air Force would do. I've some background in the AF.

744 Killer Tomato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:11:33pm

re: #735 Spare O'Lake

You're going to need small print or a large t-shirt.
;-)

745 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:11:34pm

Thomas Sowell, amongst people of his color (whatever the hell color means), is still considered...white

I'm still confused..

746 Digital Display  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:11:34pm

re: #718 Afrocity

I use AA to abbreviate African Americans, between blogging and my job I get sick of typing the entire thing.

They know and are puling your buttons..You're best bet is to type AAAA next time and really mess with em...
Thanks for the email.. You are a class act lizard..

747 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:11:46pm

re: #490 Thanos

If you're identity is based on the color of your skin, the country you come from, or what religion you belong to then you are a weak individual indeed.

None of these things truly defines a human. You are a complex being with free will able to make choices, you are not some weak meat puppet indelibly charred by your countrie's culture. Once past the age of 10 or so you started making choices.

I gave Nels an upding on that, but I don't think you or I read it the same way.

One can take pride in one's culture without seeing it in racial terms. Do not Americans do that when they stand for the anthem?

What Nels said, I think, is that the Politically Correct tendency we see from apologetics is that the culture that makes the most noise is supposed to get the most respect. In the case of Europe, and Sweden, they have naively brought in large numbers of immigrants, usually "political", thinking that those people would assimilate, appreciate and absorb the values of those cultures. That has not happened, and instead there are people who now advocate the dissolution in essence of the host cultures because to be different is to claim superiority and that is racist.

748 BryanS  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:11:50pm

re: #733 JacksonTn


Ann Coulter is out for Ann Coulter ...selling books ...she also needs to eat ...

That statement right there boils all her nonsense down to its core.

749 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:11:54pm
750 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:11:58pm

re: #737 apachesam

Wow, such negative waves from the Lizard Army. I got 9-plus negatives in less than 10 Minuets (Post 560). I use sarcasm to point out how quick we are to condemn anyone who would dare violate Lizard orthodoxy with little investigation. How about we ask Ann Coulter about the book before we start the fires to burn both.

Quite frankly, I’m quite use to finding this type of monolithically one side debate on DU, DK, or Huffing and Puffing Post.

And now I suck because I differ? Same on me I guess.

you have not been following obviously....don't play stupid

751 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:12:04pm

re: #737 apachesam

What aspect of racism do you condone?

752 Clemente  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:12:08pm

re: #723 Crimsonfisted

Each day I think B Huessin O cannot disgust me further, he sinks to a new level.

A politician of extraordinary depths.

753 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:12:09pm

re: #740 tradewind

Liberal Dems love to enslave people and put them in small groups so they can control them.

754 kansas  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:12:17pm

re: #739 not neo just conservative

And as you see, she got tired. She'll be back to tell you to fuck off or piss up a rope, however.

755 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:12:26pm

Sorry, folks. I just do not care about whether Democrats are held to the same standard, or whether Republicans are persecuted. None of that matters.

Ann Coulter defending this group is WRONG. End of story.

756 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:12:48pm

re: #666 Sheepdogess

So, is Thomas Sowell black or white?


He's an economist and a senior fellow of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

757 Render  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:12:48pm

re: #688 Alouette

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

Shall we turn them away?

LAGUNA
SUNRISE,
R

758 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:12:48pm

re: #738 Sharmuta

Knew some of these "types" in high school. Fact is they're inept and complete losers. Instead of taking responsibility for their lot, they blame it on others who are taking it away (or preventing them acquiring it) from them.

759 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:12:59pm

re: #740 tradewind

Re Republicans as bigots: who was the last African American chairman of the Democrat Nat'l Committee? The last president to appoint an African American Sec'Def? Sec State?

Under whose administration was Martin Luther King first invited to the White House and who invited him?

760 freetoken  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:13:09pm

re: #737 apachesam

How about we ask Ann Coulter about the book before we start the fires to burn both.

What do you have to ask her? The only question I can think of is: Are you really the author of this book or is someone else using your pen name?

Other than that, it is all in black and white.

761 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:13:23pm

re: #743 winston06

You could just skip the mil and go straight to one of the Fed agencies (NSA etc..)

762 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:13:37pm

re: #759 Perplexed

which party in charge of WH had his phone tapped?

763 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:13:43pm
764 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:13:48pm

re: #731 Dan G.

Yeah, there's a real shortage of Arabic and Persian translators. It's weird how they work too. They break up documents (and tapes) into small chunks, sometimes as small as one sentence. and then spread out the work to a bunch of translators who don't know each other so nobody really knows what they're translating. Then somebody reassembles the document and goes over it. I'm sure there's some kind of background check but the security clearance isn't really hard to get.

765 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:13:49pm

re: #761 Dan G.

in Wash DC?

766 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:14:10pm

re: #738 Sharmuta

Damn- this shit just makes me sick.

I don't understand bigotry, and I never have. I never will.

Sometimes I wonder if it is human nature. I spent most of my young life wondering what it would like for me if I were white. Wondering why God chose to make me black. Would I have had a father if I were white. Live in a nice house instead of the flat my mom and I lived in. Would I be smarter, prettier. I came to love myself for who I am about 7 years ago. Race and Racism can be a prison if you let it.

767 jamie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:14:36pm

re: #526 NelsFree

Okay, now I've got to go talk to Ann. Anyone got her phone number?

1-900-ASSHOLE

Ask for the chick with the adam's apple.

768 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:14:44pm

re: #476 opilio

I loved South Pacific.

769 Idle Drifter  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:14:44pm

re: #737 apachesam

Five posts since May 2, 2007 will do that. Everyone who regulary posts may think you're a Moby.

770 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:14:48pm

re: #762 winston06

which party in charge of WH had his phone tapped?

Probably all of them since the early 40s.

771 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:14:48pm

re: #764 Killgore Trout

I can pass the security checks or FBI checks

772 apachesam  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:14:48pm

re: #579 theheat

So, Ann and I are white supremest? How clever of you to figure that out in one post.

773 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:14:55pm

re: #754 kansas

It's part of her charm.

774 Sunlight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:15:09pm

re: #683 Thanos

;)

775 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:15:11pm

re: #743 winston06

Remind me on Friday. I might have some tips for you by the weekend.

776 Maui Girl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:15:16pm

Wow. I had to leave and just got back and read the comments regarding my post about t-shirts.

Forgive me but having grown up in Canada, I had no idea about the significance of "White Pride", what it meant in terms of its (obvious to me now) ties to White Supremecists.

I'm not sure what point I was trying to make when I made that post. The whole black/white racist thing is something I claim ignorance about and am only now realizing its depths in American society. My bad.

I live in Hawaii and I'd probably have rocks thrown at me if I wore a "Happy to be Hauoli" t-shirt, but it's okay to wear a "Proud to be Hawaiian t-shirt or don a bumper sticker on your truck saying the same thing. I don't care what color a person is, never have. It breaks my heart that still today, that's how people judge others.

Forgive me if I offended anyone or misled anyone but you have to admit it started some interesting banter back and forth.

I have to leave now. My work day is done and my family awaits. Love and aloha to all my fellow Lizards.

777 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:15:29pm

re: #775 Killgore Trout

will do. thnx

778 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:15:41pm

re: #670 Yankee Division Son

OT - (things that make me ill)

Bust Of Winston Churchill No Longer Wanted In Oval Office.

Uhg.. HT: the Jawa Report

He wants a bust of Neville Chamberlain instead.

779 jamie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:15:42pm

re: #738 Sharmuta

Damn- this shit just makes me sick.

I don't understand bigotry, and I never have. I never will.

Spend five minutes with my in-laws and you'll become a bona fide anti-Semite. I know it happened to me...and I'm Jewish.

/

780 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:15:43pm

re: #741 jcw46

Blacks are already saying that whites have set up Obama to fail with a bad economy. I told my dad that no one made Obama run for president. He knew what he was getting into.

781 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:15:47pm

re: #745 Sheepdogess

Thomas Sowell, amongst people of his color (whatever the hell color means), is still considered...white

I'm still confused..

Thomas Sowell is white? You learn something new every day.

782 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:16:15pm

re: #765 winston06

Ummm. Likely an "undisclosed" location. Its just that if you go AF, you will be in the "training environment" for 2 years of tech school in Monterrey[sp], CA. You could skip that bullshit, get better pay, just by going to the fed level first. They might still send you to Mont. ,CA, but you'd get better pay and treatment.

783 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:16:15pm
784 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:16:16pm

re: #780 Afrocity

Conspiracy theories disgust me. ICK

785 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:16:17pm

re: #702 Afrocity

I'm not disagreeing, but your statement is too sweeping. MSM might not note it, but it does get press here. All idiotarian groups are equal game here.

786 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:16:47pm
787 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:16:47pm
788 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:17:32pm

re: #772 apachesam

So, Ann and I are white supremest? How clever of you to figure that out in one post.

that's up to you and her...state your business and move ahead

789 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:17:33pm

Unfortunately -

1. The CCC +/- = The KKK.

2. Ann Coulter might be caught up in it.

That is all.

-S-

790 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:17:37pm

re: #782 Dan G.

I'd rather military because its mission is defined. Bureaucracy machine screw up the talent and energy.

791 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:17:44pm

re: #764 Killgore Trout

I know, I've had one. Was almost a Chinese Mandarin translator, but opted for Imagery Analysis. Interestingly enough, most folks who lost their clearances were due to either 1) drug usage prior to enlistment or 2) too much debt (easy target for those recruiting spies).

792 JacksonTn  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:18:00pm

re: #748 BryanS

That statement right there boils all her nonsense down to its core.

What statement "right there" ...I am not defending Ann Coulter ...I think she will say anything to sell a book and I think she needs to eat because she is too skinny ..

As far as the Black Caucus ...no, I do not think there should be a Black Caucus ...it is an All American Caucus ...

793 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:18:10pm
794 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:18:16pm

re: #631 Afrocity

As a McCain election security lawyer, I watched two men in Black Panthers uniforms standing in the door to the polling place on Fairmont Avenue in North Philadelphia on election day, one waving a billy club over his head, chanting "The black man will rule the white man" over and over. The video appeared on Youtube. Votes had to walk within a foot of them on their way in to vote.

We called the cops. The extremists are out there in the black community too.

795 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:18:24pm

re: #783 taxfreekiller

Your posts are reading like red-herrings.

796 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:18:33pm

re: #743 winston06

when should I remind you? I am gonna talk to a military recruiter next month when I am in the States. I am too old for the Marines but Air Force would do. I've some background in the AF.

winston, there are many Canadians in the US Armed Forces so that should be no problem. I served with a couple Canadians, which is one of the reasons I'm a huge hockey fan.

797 Cato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:18:33pm

I am really scared for Fox. Coulter, Huckabee and Buchanan should not be the face of conservatism. They undermine it. Why can't they put on Will, Sowell and Volohk, for example.

798 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:18:36pm

The hate mail is starting now.

799 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:18:46pm

re: #778 Kosh's Shadow

Up ding. Sad, because it's quite conceivably true...

800 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:18:56pm

re: #766 Afrocity

Sometimes I wonder if it is human nature. I spent most of my young life wondering what it would like for me if I were white. Wondering why God chose to make me black. Would I have had a father if I were white. Live in a nice house instead of the flat my mom and I lived in. Would I be smarter, prettier. I came to love myself for who I am about 7 years ago. Race and Racism can be a prison if you let it.

I'm sure human nature plays a role- we think the grass is greener on the other side. I grew up white without my mom, just my working class dad where the kids in school called me names. You and I could have traded lives, and maybe we'd have both realized the grass wasn't so green after all.

801 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:19:07pm

re: #791 Dan G.

I served in the air force back home. Does that prevent me from joining?

802 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:19:19pm

re: #793 taxfreekiller

Earth First goons will kill you if you make your living harvesting trees to build schools with.

Earth First goons vote 100% Democrat.

I highly doubt that Earth Firsters vote 100% Democrat. I will, however, concede that I do not think any of them are Republicans.

803 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:19:20pm

re: #737 apachesam

Why do we need to ask anything? It's in her book.

804 Sunlight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:19:24pm

re: #671 SpringheelJack

Here's my thing: I am not a "white power" guy, nor am I a fundamentalist Christian (actually I'm mostly agnostic), and I don't have strong opinions about abortion in either direction. But I will not spend time and energy obsessing about some "white power" guys, or fundies, or radical anti-abortionists when there are Jihadis plotting carnage upon the US.

I used to be that way. Then I married a Jewish guy and we've raised the kids Jewish. And, as an example, the kids' Jewish preschool at the synagogue was vandalized/graffiti'd and had to be searched by MPs with dogs from the base because of a bomb threat, etc. I will obsess about the WP guys, especially if their posse includes the Euro WP guys, because they have a proven track record of slaughtering those they don't like. And the fact that they STILL attack Jews in Europe when there are hardly any left says to me that they aren't finished yet.

805 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:19:29pm

re: #586 MandyManners

The Bean Scene is playing on Blazing Saddles.

806 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:19:46pm

re: #790 winston06

You'd be doing the exact same thing, most likely right next to the military. In the Int field, govn't workers work side-by-side with enlistees; and many enlistees don't re-up and just come back to work the next day with civees.

807 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:19:52pm
808 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:19:54pm

re: #796 rightwinger3

ahahaha.. am not a hockey fan. sorry. But I am a US fan :-D

809 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:19:58pm
810 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:20:14pm

re: #699 NelsFree

If we do not learn from what is happening in Europe, we shall regret it.

I think it is a big mistake to compare ourselves with any other country and assume we will follow the same path in any situation. If anything, we are more like Australia than Europe.

811 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:20:29pm

re: #801 winston06

Not that I'm aware of.

812 Render  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:20:31pm

I was 20 to 25 comments behind an hour ago.

Now I'm pushing 30 and above.

Not typing fast enough.

Time for a digital killing spree to loosen up the old digits.

CYA IN
A BIT,
R

813 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:20:54pm

re: #797 Cato

I am really scared for Fox. Coulter, Huckabee and Buchanan should not be the face of conservatism. They undermine it. Why can't they put on Will, Sowell and Volohk, for example.

scared?...hahaha...FOX is not yo mama....television does not rule the world unless you let it

814 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:06pm

re: #806 Dan G.

True but I have always wanted to wear the uniform of the United States military. There's a sacred thing about it. I feel like I have a debt of gratitude to the US and I'd like to repay.

815 Boxy_brown  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:11pm

I wanted to see for myself and yeah, it's pretty obvious.

From page 1:
"immigrant populations who do not buy newspapers,"

"A former Hispanic hospital employee goes on deadly rampage. Kills four white people across two counties in northwestern New York."

"The local media in Rochester won’t admit the killer was black."

"This is the complete opposite of the reporting style in extremely rare instances when a non-white is murdered by a white person"

"“Racist attack” was a total hoax. Do any of these stories ever turn out to be non-hoaxes?"

"Over 7,000 right-wing and patriotic Germans marched in Dresden[...] Rather than denounce the thugs, the German media viciously denounced the marchers as “neo-nazis” for being patriotic." (Germans marching anywhere makes Boxy nervous.)

"Black History Month?"

So yes, She is smart enough to be able to recognize this for what it is and if she is defending it my guess would be that it isn't an accident. Making common cause with idiots isn't going to get you to where you want to go. The term "conservative" is becoming almost as abused as the term "liberal".

816 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:13pm

re: #780 Afrocity

Blacks are already saying that whites have set up Obama to fail with a bad economy. I told my dad that no one made Obama run for president. He knew what he was getting into.

Huh? I know what you wrote, but trying to wrap my mind around the mindset that can come up with such thought processes is beyond me. So we destroy an entire country just to ruin one man? How do blacks rationalize whites 'allowing' Obama to even run if they are that racist and vendictive?

817 Idle Drifter  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:19pm

re: #798 Charles

Took them long enough, Charles.

818 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:30pm

re: #340 NelsFree

We all have clay feet. But it's not to much to ask leading political figures in the limelight to out themselves before the opposition discovers they are racists or sexual deviants. The other side can elect them all they want. It will catch up with them eventually.

819 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:37pm

re: #812 Render

I was 20 to 25 comments behind an hour ago.

Now I'm pushing 30 and above.

Not typing fast enough.

Time for a digital killing spree to loosen up the old digits.

CYA IN
A BIT,
R

I'd join ya, but my Xbox 360 finally died. :(

820 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:38pm

I don't time to read 806 comments, but I just wanted to point out that CCC's statement of principles lists includes

(2) We believe the United States is a European country and that Americans are part of the European people.

Somebody needs to send them to remedial geography.

821 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:42pm
822 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:48pm

re: #510 tommy

If species, including humans, are shaped by natural selection, then must not some branches of that species by definition be inferior to the selected branch? That is, if you are one who accepts evolution alone as the origin of man, why are you offended by the statement of the CCC cretins that some races are inferior?

Me, personally, I find the CCC to be vile, and evil, but it is because I believe G-d made each one of us, that he "knit us in the womb". Every person, every race, is equal before Him.

Darwin inspired Watson & Crick to search for and isolate DNA, and DNA studies conclusively demonstrate that we are all a single species, with a few cosmetic distinctions, just like all dogs are various breeds of wolf. There ain't any superior or inferior to it. In fact, people can easily be genetically closer to some members of other races than they are to other members of their own.

823 BryanS  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:50pm

re: #792 JacksonTn

What statement "right there" ...I am not defending Ann Coulter ...I think she will say anything to sell a book and I think she needs to eat because she is too skinny ..

As far as the Black Caucus ...no, I do not think there should be a Black Caucus ...it is an All American Caucus ...

The "that statement" was what I quoted above my reply in the post. I didn't think you were defending Coulter, but rather explaining precisely what she is all about--herself, selling her books, and nothing else.

Coulter is a bomb thrower, and will say anything so long as it gets attention.

824 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:53pm

re: #798 Charles

The hate mail is starting now.

Just starting? I always thought it was a constant thing. If you and Stinky shred it all and use it to make mulch, LGF could have a profitable side business.

825 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:21:54pm

re: #812 Render

I was 20 to 25 comments behind an hour ago.

Now I'm pushing 30 and above.

Not typing fast enough.

Time for a digital killing spree to loosen up the old digits.

CYA IN
A BIT,
R

get some bro....

826 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:22:11pm

I've never been much of a fan of Coulter, and this certainly doesn't change my impression of her for the better, that's for sure. She's out not to improve conservatism as a movement or to improve GOP chances for reelection but only to sell books and enrich herself.

That's fine. She can do that to her heart's content but not with my money and not with my support. She's made an indefensible statement and running in to the same crowds as Stormfront goes beyond the pale.

Of course, the big media wont call her on this either, nor will they demand repudiation of this. In fact, they'll probably ignore this altogether, even though Coulter does deserve the scorn and outrage that would follow such.

So, instead of scorn, derision, and possible loss of income as a result of losing speaking gigs, she'll continue on as if there was nothing wrong and we'll watch as she does the slo-mo move towards Pat Buchanan. They've now entered the same orbit around Uranus.

827 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:22:29pm

re: #781 SanFranciscoZionist

Thomas Sowell is white? You learn something new every day.


Imagine his surprise!

828 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:22:33pm

re: #791 Dan G.

I know, I've had one. Was almost a Chinese Mandarin translator, but opted for Imagery Analysis. Interestingly enough, most folks who lost their clearances were due to either 1) drug usage prior to enlistment or 2) too much debt (easy target for those recruiting spies).

Ever use a product called "ELT (some number)" from Paragon Imaging? (They were bought out a few years ago, so the company name is different now). I worked for them on various versions back in the 1990's.

829 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:23:00pm

re: #464 MandyManners

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.

I seem to be going out on a limb here, but I think there are conceptual misunderstandings at play. I didn't see Nels calling Islam a race.

830 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:23:08pm

re: #814 winston06

O.K. Just know what to expect. 8 year enlistment, 6 years active 2 inactive. 2 years tech school where you will be treated like an infant (the Air Force is terrible about this, the other services don't do this...). Unless things have changed w/i 10 years (entirely possible).

831 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:23:08pm

re: #820 EmmmieG

Those are morons who think the US is a European like country. US is in no way European like.

832 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:23:15pm

re: #810 ggt

I think it is a big mistake to compare ourselves with any other country and assume we will follow the same path in any situation. If anything, we are more like Australia is more like us than Europe.

833 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:23:18pm

re: #666 Sheepdogess

So, is Thomas Sowell black or white?

He's a senior justice on the United States Supreme Court. He earned that.

His skin color came with birth and is utterly irrelevant.

834 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:23:34pm

re: #780 Afrocity

Blacks are already saying that whites have set up Obama to fail with a bad economy. I told my dad that no one made Obama run for president. He knew what he was getting into.

Afrocity -

For what it is worth, many Conservatives are entertaining conspiracy theories that SOROS sunk the economy to get Pres. Obama elected. For what it is also worth, Pres. Obama is ideologically married to theories that WILL make the economy contract. From here on out, at least until 2011, it is Pres. Obama's call as to how we proceed and the results.

-S-

835 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:23:47pm

re: #785 Thanos

Thanos, I am more so referring to the way society perceives these "black pride' groups as a whole, not only MSM or the blogeshere. I teach grad students many will praise Black Panthers and operation PUSH, yet find neo-Nazi groups cringeworthy and not worth the class time.

The number one statement said to me by whites after Obama won:

"I was so tired of seeing the same ol' white guys in office"

The statement is racist but it has become acceptable to say such things as long as you are not talking about minorities.

836 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:23:48pm

re: #816 Perplexed

Huh? I know what you wrote, but trying to wrap my mind around the mindset that can come up with such thought processes is beyond me. So we destroy an entire country just to ruin one man? How do blacks rationalize whites 'allowing' Obama to even run if they are that racist and vendictive?

stupidity transcends race

837 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:23:56pm

re: #828 Kosh's Shadow

"E"lectronic "L"ight "T"able... yes.

838 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:24:12pm

re: #830 Dan G.

Why 8? I thought it was 4 yrs.

839 Boxy_brown  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:24:13pm

re: #833 MandyManners


He's a senior justice on the United States Supreme Court.

That's Clarence Thomas.

840 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:24:16pm
841 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:24:24pm

re: #737 apachesam

Wow, such negative waves from the Lizard Army. I got 9-plus negatives in less than 10 Minuets (Post 560). I use sarcasm to point out how quick we are to condemn anyone who would dare violate Lizard orthodoxy with little investigation. How about we ask Ann Coulter about the book before we start the fires to burn both.

Quite frankly, I’m quite use to finding this type of monolithically one side debate on DU, DK, or Huffing and Puffing Post.

And now I suck because I differ? Same on me I guess.

gee, 6 whole posts in just under two years? You really consider yourself part of the Lizard Army?

842 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:24:28pm
843 Cato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:24:36pm

re: #813 albusteve

I am scared they might be RIGHTFULLY marginalized rather than wrongly marginalized, as they generally are now.

844 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:24:48pm

re: #833 MandyManners

"He's a senior justice on the United States Supreme Court."

You must be joking.

845 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:24:50pm

Sorry if I am missing replies here, I'm on the phone at work too, and this is moving fast.

846 apachesam  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:24:57pm

re: #750 albusteve

No, I’ve been following. Just amazed at the lack of curiosity and the friendly banter of calling people “stupid”. Maybe I did not clearly communicate my point and maybe you missed the point. How about not be so quick to judge and follow up with an adult question.

847 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:25:00pm

re: #815 Boxy_brown

I wanted to see for myself and yeah, it's pretty obvious.

So yes, She is smart enough to be able to recognize this for what it is and if she is defending it my guess would be that it isn't an accident. Making common cause with idiots isn't going to get you to where you want to go. The term "conservative" is becoming almost as abused as the term "liberal".

Of course it's no accident, and yes, Ann Coulter is not stupid. She knew exactly what she was doing when she defended the CCC. There's no way to excuse this.

848 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:25:08pm

re: #833 MandyManners

He's a senior justice on the United States Supreme Court. He earned that.

His skin color came with birth and is utterly irrelevant.

Thomas Sowell is a columnist, an economist, a teacher, a writer.
Clarence Thomas is the Supreme court justice.

849 kansas  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:25:14pm

I suppose pointing out that Thomas Sowell is a journalist and has a column at the Jewish World Review and that Clarence Thomas is a Supreme Court Justice and they are both black would be impolite?

850 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:25:14pm
851 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:25:17pm

re: #838 winston06

All contracts are for 8. Typically divided into 4 active and 4 inactive reserves (i.e. you get called up during WWIII).

852 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:25:20pm

re: #833 MandyManners

No, Hon- he's an economist. Thomas Sowell

853 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:25:26pm

re: #791 Dan G.

Yeah, I had a childhood friend who's security clearance was limited because of drug use in his teens.

854 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:25:27pm

re: #798 Charles

The hate mail is starting now.

/deer Charls, u r a total illeterute & I hoap u dye dye dye bekause you are obssessed with facism & evolushun.

/sarc off

Something like that?

855 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:25:31pm
856 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:25:58pm

re: #756 jcw46

He's an economist and a senior fellow of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

We are big fans of TS.

857 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:09pm

re: #794 quickjustice

As a McCain election security lawyer, I watched two men in Black Panthers uniforms standing in the door to the polling place on Fairmont Avenue in North Philadelphia on election day, one waving a billy club over his head, chanting "The black man will rule the white man" over and over. The video appeared on Youtube. Votes had to walk within a foot of them on their way in to vote.

We called the cops. The extremists are out there in the black community too.

I saw the Black Panthers on election day. It was awful. I don't know why people are somehow taking my statements to seem as though I don't think there are black racists. In short --Yah I know.

858 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:12pm

Okay, Coulter, under the bus, doesn't bother me at all. Remember, she originally refused to ever vote for McCain and eventually backtracked and said she'd get have to get drunk to vote for McCain.

Personally, I find it best to ignore her.

/she's an attention/marketing whore using outrageousness to sell her books

859 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:15pm

re: #851 Dan G.

i see. i will look into it.

So you're saying I should just walk into a Fed bldg in Wash DC and tell them I would like to work for them? :-D

860 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:22pm

re: #843 Cato

I am scared they might be RIGHTFULLY marginalized rather than wrongly marginalized, as they generally are now.

it's a price we all will pay...I myself resist...all MSM is my dire enemy including FOX

861 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:23pm

re: #526 NelsFree

Well, who will be left once we have purged the ranks of all those who fail to meet some standard of behavior all the time? Again, the opposition does not have the same moral standards we have. I agree that we should counsel wisely those who err. Once repentant, they should be welcomed back into the fold, as Jesus would.
Okay, now I've got to go talk to Ann. Anyone got her phone number?

To invite racists, ethnic supremacists, or other variations on the fascist neonazi theme into our antijihadi foxholes will exclude literally millions upon millions of Americans whose ancestors fought, and in some cases died, defeating their ideological progenitors in Europe in WW II. Including me. We will not ally with such scum. Not only is it morally reprehensible, it is practical suicide.

862 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:31pm

re: #771 winston06

I can pass the security checks or FBI checks

You mean the needed scrutiny, the review, of ones associations and the like..? What Obama certainly could not have passed muster?

863 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:38pm

re: #836 albusteve

stupidity transcends race

Ah, that explains it.

864 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:40pm

re: #833 MandyManners

He's a senior justice on the United States Supreme Court.

What?

865 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:40pm

re: #831 winston06

Those are morons who think the US is a European like country. US is in no way European like.

It's also on the wrong continent.

866 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:46pm

re: #835 Afrocity

I quite agree that many "ethnic pride" groups live in protected bubbles. However that doesn't excuse Ann.

867 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:54pm

re: #854 EmmmieG

/deer Charls, u r a total illeterute & I hoap u dye dye dye bekause you are obssessed with facism & evolushun.

/sarc off

Something like that?

LOLcats are writing hatemail to Charles?

////////

868 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:55pm

Ann Ann Ann

This is really sad. Like Charles said....no real good excuse other then if she relied on someone to research this outfit for her. But then, she would need a major mea culpa and that still doesn't recapture the lost credibility

From the groups Statement Of Principles;

(8) Cultural, national, and racial integrity. We support the cultural and national heritage of the United States and the race and civilization of which it is a part, as well as the expression and celebration of the legitimate subcultures and ethnic and regional identities of our people. We oppose all efforts to discredit, “debunk,” denigrate, ridicule, subvert, or express disrespect for that heritage. We believe public monuments and symbols should reflect the real heritage of our people, and not a politically convenient, inaccurate, insulting, or fictitious heritage

.

869 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:26:59pm

re: #853 Killgore Trout

What sucks (for people like that) is that many of them made it through basic and the 6-ish months of tech school just to get the boot... I think the issue tends to be that they lied about it during the background investigation...

870 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:27:05pm

re: #862 unrealizedviewpoint

ehehehe... yeah

871 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:27:07pm

re: #847 Charles

Of course it's no accident, and yes, Ann Coulter is not stupid. She knew exactly what she was doing when she defended the CCC. There's no way to excuse this.

Charles, see my #41.

872 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:27:11pm

re: #837 Dan G.

"E"lectronic "L"ight "T"able... yes.

That's it. Depending on when you used it, some of my code was in it. You might have even used it, if you used certain types of files. I don't remember all the details now. I did add some automation to one version for the Global Hawk ground station.

873 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:27:25pm

re: #833 MandyManners

He's a senior justice on the United States Supreme Court. He earned that.

His skin color came with birth and is utterly irrelevant.

The Supreme Court? He's at the Hoover Institution.

And for a man born in his generation, no, his skin color is not irrelevent. It tells you he's not just good, he's DAMN good.

874 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:27:34pm

re: #841 ggt

gee, 6 whole posts in just under two years? You really consider yourself part of the Lizard Army?

At the least it could make good cannon fodder.

875 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:27:36pm

well this is disappointing

876 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:27:39pm

re: #868 danrudy

You know "Ann" in Persian language means "excrement" or "poop"

LOL

877 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:27:50pm

re: #770 Perplexed

Probably all of them since the early 40s.

J Edgar belonged to a party?

878 apachesam  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:27:57pm

re: #751 solomonpanting

Sir, you infer words into my mouth (in your case, a comment box). Thank you, but no. I will not address your comment. It would be pointless.

879 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:27:57pm

re: #858 Killian Bundy

Okay, Coulter, under the bus, doesn't bother me at all. Remember, she originally refused to ever vote for McCain and eventually backtracked and said she'd get have to get drunk to vote for McCain.

Personally, I find it best to ignore her.

/she's an attention/marketing whore using outrageousness to sell her books

We got a bus? I missed the memo!

880 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:28:13pm

re: #833 MandyManners

He's a senior justice on the United States Supreme Court. He earned that.

His skin color came with birth and is utterly irrelevant.

mandy -

Thomas Sowell is a pre-eminent American writer on economics, AND oh yeah, he as his his parents were is "Black."

-S-

881 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:28:18pm
882 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:28:32pm

re: #757 Render

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

Shall we turn them away?

LAGUNA
SUNRISE,
R

Non-Jewish Russians who now form neo-nazi groups in Israel? Turn them away? As Sarah Palin would say, you betcha!

883 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:28:34pm

re: #859 winston06

I don't know the exact route, here's the most likely first step.

884 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:28:35pm

re: #786 Iron Fist

Well, that was my point. Republicans have been more proactive in demonstrating equal opportunity in many areas than Democrats, who talk a lot and don't do much in reality.
But Nathan Bedford Forrest..... sorry, I know he is forever thought of as the founder of the KKK and the epitome of a racist, but historically that is inaccurate. The group he put together bore no resemblance to the bunch of creepy racists it devolved into after its purpose was finished... it was more of an escort service to protect women from marauding Yankee carpetbaggers , both white and black... and Forrest (who disbanded the klan) freed his slaves before Lincoln ordered it done.

885 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:28:39pm

re: #534 SpringheelJack

One thing that the Left does which contributes to their success, is they spend far more time being critical of Republicans than they do Democrats. At the present moment, what is the bigger threat to us, the Global Jihad or white rednecks?

They're both threats to equal freedom under constitutional law. And we cannot call the kettle black if we embrace a pot.

886 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:28:41pm
887 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:28:59pm

re: #766 Afrocity

That was a sincerely touching post. I'll take this opportunity to lighten the mood a little... A close friend of mine is black and quite handsome. Me, I'm your basic medium-white female with medium blond hair. We're about the same age (middle age).

He says he wishes he had my straight hair and I wish I had his lovely shade of chocolate skin - it's flawless. It's kind of a joke between us.

None of it makes any difference - white, black, brown, red, yellow - I think we all think the grass is greener on the other side. It's not.

888 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:29:18pm

re: #864 jcw46

What?

I see Walter is letting Maisey post again.

/

889 JHW  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:29:38pm

re: #859 winston06

Someone may have already mentioned it, but the US military recently announced looser eligibility standards for foreigners to enlist.
Your text to link...

890 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:29:49pm

re: #855 taxfreekiller

The Government of California is ruled by the liberal Democrats, California is broke on its ass and can not pay its bills, these liberal Democrats think its the duty of every day people in California to take IOU's in payment all 100% because of the loon crazy ass feel good laws and environmental crap these insane liberals have forced on California.

Try paying any of your bills with IOUs and see how far that gets you. California needs to go into an emergency session and cut funding back to a livable/sustainable point.

891 Cato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:30:33pm

re: #873 SanFranciscoZionist

He is a damn good economist. But he once wrote an article about baseball statistics that claim Earl Combs was as good a centerfielder as Joe DiMaggio. He was way off base there.

892 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:30:37pm

re: #802 SanFranciscoZionist

I highly doubt that Earth Firsters vote 100% Democrat. I will, however, concede that I do not think any of them are Republicans.

do you think they voted?

893 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:30:39pm

re: #544 Charles

Why don't you answer my reply to you? I'll repost it, since you seem to have missed it.

Why is it a "desired degree of perfection" to speak out against making excuses for FREAKING WHITE SUPREMACISTS?

If I refuse to dive into a sewer when everyone else is, does that make me obsessed with cleanliness?

Good grief.


Dear Charles,

I missed your post earlier. My answer is that there is no excuse for white supremacy, nor for any other supremacy. I also have Ann's latest book and I did not fact check it. You have every right to point out these associations; I am glad to participate in LGF and learn from all the folks through postings and linkage. We should not associate with those advocating racism or racial purity. I would like to see a thread offering up a positive role model for Conservatism.
I see my Karma has taken a beating tonight, and I am thusly chastened. Please do not block me. I take full responsibility for my opinions and beliefs, and thank you for allowing me to state them and be graded on them.

894 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:30:40pm

re: #858 Killian Bundy

/[Coulter]'s an attention/marketing whore using outrageousness to sell her books

FTFY ;-P

895 The Shadow Do  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:30:46pm

re: #737 apachesam

You should consider a new nic. Rauel has a certain 'ring' to it.

896 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:30:49pm

re: #846 apachesam

No, I’ve been following. Just amazed at the lack of curiosity and the friendly banter of calling people “stupid”. Maybe I did not clearly communicate my point and maybe you missed the point. How about not be so quick to judge and follow up with an adult question.

you communicated perfectly clear and I did not miss your point...your adult question was why we dont ask Ann Coulter her position before we burn her...heh...who's the adult here...

897 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:30:51pm

re: #872 Kosh's Shadow

That's pretty cool ;) I didn't work with that platform. Suffice to say, I remember using it and we'll leave it at that ;).

898 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:31:02pm

re: #780 Afrocity

No one knew the economy was tanking until the September Surprise on September 16, 2008, when there was an electronic run on the banks to the tune of $550 billion within two hours. The sheer size was unprecedented in the history of the banking system. McCain had just passed Obama in the polls for the first time. The sudden economic crisis sent McCain's polls downward as he flailed for a response. McCain never recovered.

The economic crisis seems to have benefited Obama in getting elected. It also has enabled his passage of the stimulus package, which is a giant gift to Democratic interest groups. Rather than hurting Obama, the economic crisis has helped him so far.

899 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:31:06pm

re: #839 Boxy_brown

That's Clarence Thomas.

Oh, for fuck's sake. I've had Thomas on my mind for the past 30 minutes.

900 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:31:08pm
901 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:31:18pm

re: #835 Afrocity


The number one statement said to me by whites after Obama won:

"I was so tired of seeing the same ol' white guys in office"

The statement is racist but it has become acceptable to say such things as long as you are not talking about minorities.

Hi, I've seen you but we haven't met :=)

In politically correct, mostly leftist society, there is a social principle I believe, a law even, that minorities cannot be racist. Only those with power (perceived or otherwise) can be, never mind that even people like Mugabe is not allowed to be called a racist.

That's life.

902 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:31:35pm

re: #812 Render

I was 20 to 25 comments behind an hour ago.

Now I'm pushing 30 and above.

Not typing fast enough.

Time for a digital killing spree to loosen up the old digits.

CYA IN
A BIT,
R

I think I'm about a 100 behind.

903 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:31:36pm

re: #876 winston06

You know "Ann" in Persian language means "excrement" or "poop"

LOL


Oh goody, on the early morning threads when it gets dull you can teach us all the Persian "bad words".

904 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:31:40pm

re: #883 Dan G.

i am on it. thnx

905 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:31:41pm

re: #851 Dan G.
I would think a civilian contractor would be the way to go. Much less BS and probably better money. With the government expansions going on I'm sure they're getting ready to hire lots of new contractors.

906 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:31:45pm

re: #892 ggt

do you think they voted?

Some, probably.

907 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:31:53pm

re: #840 buzzsawmonkey

You're mixing up Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice, with Thomas Sowell, eminent economist.

I am so embarassed. I think I'll slink off to hide for a while.

908 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:32:00pm

re: #737 apachesam

How about we ask Ann Coulter about the book before we start the fires to burn both.

Why should I ask Ann Coulter about the book? I have it right in front of me. She wrote those words. The book is a best seller. She knew exactly what she was doing when she wrote it.

There's nothing to ask, except why the GOP thinks she's acceptable as a speaker at CPAC.

Not to mention Ron Paul, who also is a racist piece of crap.

909 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:32:05pm

re: #886 buzzsawmonkey

Fascists! Turn to the left
Fascists! Turn to the right

--not David Bowie

Here I am stuck in the middle with you...

910 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:32:24pm

re: #889 JHW

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Yes and thats why I started questioning about it

911 cy_babe  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:32:47pm

There appears to be two websites for the Council of Conservatives. One founded by Dr. Sam Francis that are 'European' and 'conservative' but hardly racist. The other founded by Gordon Lee Baum which is clearly racist. Y'all just may be proving Ann's point about the very crimes that are aggressively hidden by the establishment media.

912 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:32:52pm

re: #829 Naso Tang

I seem to be going out on a limb here, but I think there are conceptual misunderstandings at play. I didn't see Nels calling Islam a race.

IIRC, he talked about Dutch and Swede and Belgians and other "nationals".

913 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:32:54pm

re: #816 Perplexed

Huh? I know what you wrote, but trying to wrap my mind around the mindset that can come up with such thought processes is beyond me. So we destroy an entire country just to ruin one man? How do blacks rationalize whites 'allowing' Obama to even run if they are that racist and vendictive?

Perplexed it is silly thinking. If Obama fails blacks will say he was set up to fail by whites. Not all blacks but I have heard it come out. Just like when Harold Washington -the first black mayor of Chicago dropped dead of a heart attack, blacks in Chicago claimed the white Daley machine killed him.

It is always "da man".

It is very debilitating. Why give someone that much power over you?

914 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:32:55pm

re: #712 freetoken

For every Duke Cunningham who ends up in jail with an R after his name, there is a William Jefferson, D, who remains at large.
For every disgraced Mark Foley, R, there is a Barney Frank, D, who remains at large.
Something's not right.

915 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:32:56pm

re: #903 jcw46

next time...

916 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:33:17pm

re: #899 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. I've had Thomas on my mind for the past 30 minutes.

Sorry, I wouldn't have added my bit if I'd seen everyone else going at it before me...

917 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:33:21pm

re: #893 NelsFree

I would like to see a thread offering up a positive role model for Conservatism.

You're commenting on his blog!

918 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:33:28pm

re: #908 Charles

time for a letter writing, phone campaign.

919 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:33:33pm

re: #908 Charles

Why should I ask Ann Coulter about the book? I have it right in front of me. She wrote those words. The book is a best seller. She knew exactly what she was doing when she wrote it.

There's nothing to ask, except why the GOP thinks she's acceptable as a speaker at CPAC.

Not to mention Ron Paul, who also is a racist piece of crap.

Is the CPAC a branch of the GOP?

920 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:33:47pm

re: #905 Killgore Trout

Yes. They go to the same damned schools, do the same damned job, but megatons less bullshit and 2 to 3 times (sometimes more, if they're talented) the pay.

921 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:33:48pm

re: #832 jcw46

thanks!

922 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:33:53pm

re: #883 Dan G.

I'm guessing if he goes to Counselor Affairs at the State Dept. they might do the leg work for him by forwarding his resume to the agencies who might be interested.

923 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:34:11pm

re: #560 apachesam

Yes, let's all band together and condemn Ann and everyone who doesn't see our exact point of view. How dare she make a mistake or have a different thought than ours. Call her name and cast her aside.

Damn straight, rather than have all the moderates and centrists run like hell when they see what odious-opinioned individuals we embrace.

924 Boxy_brown  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:34:12pm

re: #907 MandyManners

"I am so embarassed. I think I'll slink off to hide for a while."

Don't be. I call more people the wrong name before breakfast than most do in a week.

925 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:34:14pm

I feel like I'm having a bad dream.

926 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:34:44pm

re: #886 buzzsawmonkey

Fascists! Turn to the left
Fascists! Turn to the right

--not David Bowie

/beep beep

927 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:34:57pm

The longer this thread survives, the more cookbooks I will purchase.re: #853 Killgore Trout

re: #833 MandyManners

He's a brilliant conservative thinker (color doesn't matter, to us anyway), at the Hoover institution.

His " Brothers"

HATE
HIS
GUTS

Read his books...He is the hope for the future of America.

928 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:35:04pm

re: #922 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't know, but that sounds reasonable.

929 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:35:30pm

re: #907 MandyManners

I am so embarassed. I think I'll slink off to hide for a while.

Don't worry about it.

I call my daughter by the dog's name all the time.

930 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:35:30pm

re: #913 Afrocity

True it is silly thinking and it does hold people back.

931 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:35:38pm
932 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:35:45pm

re: #911 cy_babe

There appears to be two websites for the Council of Conservatives. One founded by Dr. Sam Francis that are 'European' and 'conservative' but hardly racist. The other founded by Gordon Lee Baum which is clearly racist. Y'all just may be proving Ann's point about the very crimes that are aggressively hidden by the establishment media.

Are you nuts?

The website founded by "Dr. Sam Francis" is running an advertisement from a FREAKING NEO-NAZI website.

"Hardly racist?"

933 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:35:51pm

re: #876 winston06

As I recall "barf" in Persian means ice (or crystals).

934 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:36:06pm

re: #925 Charles

I feel like I'm having a bad dream.

It's a good dream, really....

935 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:36:16pm

re: #890 Perplexed

Try paying any of your bills with IOUs and see how far that gets you. California needs to go into an emergency session and cut funding back to a livable/sustainable point.

As soon as XM 80's plays my favorite Hansen song....

936 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:36:17pm

re: #912 MandyManners

IIRC, he talked about Dutch and Swede and Belgians and other "nationals".

I think he meant them as cultures, not races. That is not racist, and I value cultural differences (some more than others :=)

Perhaps I should now let Nels start tooting his own horn.

937 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:36:46pm

re: #927 Sheepdogess

The longer this thread survives, the more cookbooks I will purchase.

re: #833 MandyManners

He's a brilliant conservative thinker (color doesn't matter, to us anyway), at the Hoover institution.

His " Brothers"

HATE
HIS
GUTS

Read his books...He is the hope for the future of America.

He wrote a very crabby piece about schools requiring kids to do community service that rather annoyed me, but I'm a Catholic school teacher, that's what we're all about.

Don't know enough about economics to judge his real work.

938 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:36:51pm

re: #925 Charles

I feel like I'm having a bad dream.

You shouldn't have told Ann what to write in her book then.
//

939 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:36:52pm

re: #887 theheat

I always said to my mom. In my next life I want to be blond and blue eyed. or I would at least like to try it out for a day ;-)

940 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:37:04pm

re: #919 MandyManners

It's one of those saddlebagging groups that were created out of McCain-Feingold's lunacy. Not part of, but associated with, kind of thang.

941 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:37:16pm

re: #929 reine.de.tout

Don't worry about it.

I call my daughter by the dog's name all the time.

That's only bad if she answers to it.

With five kids, I do the old Bill Cosby routine all the time...

"Bill, Jack, George, Rutabaga ... I don't care what your name is, I know where you live!"

/or something close to that

942 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:37:17pm

re: #916 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, I wouldn't have added my bit if I'd seen everyone else going at it before me...

No problem. I needed my ass kicked for that bone-headedness.

943 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:37:25pm

re: #933 Killgore Trout

means SNOW

944 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:37:47pm

re: #939 Afrocity

I always said to my mom. In my next life I want to be blond and blue eyed. or I would at least like to try it out for a day ;-)

In my next life, I want to be blonde and blue-eyed, too.
Maybe we can come back as twins.

945 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:38:05pm

re: #572 not neo just conservative

I didn't say that, Charles, though I'd have to admit that "outrage" is a stronger term than I'd use. I'm not going to go up in flames over it. Like I said, until all people of all races refuse to tolerate any action of any kind that is based on a persons melanin levels, I'm not going to get any more wound up about white racists that I do about black racists or West Asian racists or any other racists. If Ann Coulter wants to speak highly of a white racist organization, why should that upset me more than, oh, I don't know, the continued existence of a group operating openly within our government called the "Congressional Black Caucus"? Are they not by definition racist as well? Where is the outrage?

People who wear white pride t shirts aren't declaring cultural solidarity with Garrison Keillor or Martin Mull.

946 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:38:08pm

re: #924 Boxy_brown

Don't be. I call more people the wrong name before breakfast than most do in a week.

Thank you.

947 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:38:19pm

re: #933 Killgore Trout

As I recall "barf" in Persian means ice (or crystals).

I'm not ordering barf water, regardless.

948 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:38:29pm

re: #890 Perplexed

Try paying any of your bills with IOUs and see how far that gets you. California needs to go into an emergency session and cut funding back to a livable/sustainable point.

Perplexed -

In my business - Residential Rental Real Estate - an I.O.U. in the form of a BAD CHECK might buy you 60 Days give or take. Nothing more.

-S-

949 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:38:31pm

re: #925 Charles

Worse, this is real life. Sorry.

950 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:38:37pm

Ann Coulter: A transvestite impersonating a Nazi, as Andrew Sullivan says. He can be very funny at times.

I wonder what Facebook groups she belongs to?

951 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:38:40pm

re: #898 quickjustice

No one knew the economy was tanking until the September Surprise on September 16, 2008, when there was an electronic run on the banks to the tune of $550 billion within two hours. The sheer size was unprecedented in the history of the banking system.

Personally, I am of the opinion that a few KNEW this was going to happen. I remember some senate hearings in early 2008 or late 2007, they were grilling Bernanke and I said to myself then that HE KNEW SOMETHING and it was BAD. His voice had the same quaver that those lying or trying to hide that they know something get when questioned. Not having a sample of his normal voice, I shrugged it off. In Sept. I began to wonder if I wasn't right in my suspicions.
I think some people were expecting all this then but we'll probably never know.

952 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:38:41pm

re: #929 reine.de.tout

Don't worry about it.

I call my daughter by the dog's name all the time.

Thanks!

953 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:38:51pm

re: #941 OldLineTexan

That's only bad if she answers to it.

With five kids, I do the old Bill Cosby routine all the time...

"Bill, Jack, George, Rutabaga ... I don't care what your name is, I know where you live!"

/or something close to that

"I brought you into this world and I can take you out...I'll make another one that looks just like you!"

-Bill Cosby, Himself

;-P

954 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:38:54pm

re: #939 Afrocity

I always said to my mom. In my next life I want to be blond and blue eyed. or I would at least like to try it out for a day ;-)

I went to school with mostly Chinese kids. I envy the hair to this day. When we were in high school, girls started perming theirs, and I couldn't believe anyone would DO that on purpose.

955 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:39:07pm

re: #935 SteveC


I use it to designate my kids on phone. Everything else is just ' old phone ring', but somehow, this reminds me of kids.
956 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:39:13pm
957 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:39:33pm

re: #939 Afrocity

I want to look and age like Lena Horne. Trade?

958 Enrico20  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:39:43pm

I never post but this is exactly the reason I love this blog. Unfortunately, it also makes me rethink my association wtih the republican party...Charles, please run for president.

959 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:39:47pm

re: #942 MandyManners

No problem. I needed my ass kicked for that bone-headedness.

s'OK! Here, have one on me.

960 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:39:49pm

re: #950 Cato the Elder

Andrew Sullivan is Ann Coulter of the left.

961 not neo just conservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:39:54pm

re: #945 Salamantis

But some people wearing "Black Pride" T-Shirts are declaring solidarity with Louis Farrakhan.

There's no difference. Either both are acceptable or neither are.

962 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:02pm

re: #911 cy_babe

There appears to be two websites for the Council of Conservatives. One founded by Dr. Sam Francis that are 'European' and 'conservative' but hardly racist. The other founded by Gordon Lee Baum which is clearly racist. Y'all just may be proving Ann's point about the very crimes that are aggressively hidden by the establishment media.

I'm looking right at Dr. Francis's web site. Here's a quote from the founding principles:

6) The traditional family is the basic unit of human society. We believe in the traditional family as the basic unit of human society and morality, and we oppose all efforts by the state and other powers to weaken the structure of the American family through toleration of sexual licentiousness, homosexuality and other perversions, mixture of the races, pornography in all forms, and subversion of the authority of parents.

Mixture of the races? I'm okay with some of the other stuff (although I would oppose restoring the authority of the father to Roman standards), but why is this an undermining of the family? This paragraph is like a poo-surprise cupcake. Parts of it are good, with a big piece of poo in the middle.

963 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:31pm

re: #908 Charles

Why should I ask Ann Coulter about the book? I have it right in front of me. She wrote those words. The book is a best seller. She knew exactly what she was doing when she wrote it.

There's nothing to ask, except why the GOP thinks she's acceptable as a speaker at CPAC.

Not to mention Ron Paul, who also is a racist piece of crap.

Ron Paul was a speaker at one of their special every four year get togethers IIRC, I forget the name... Bluehawk, Blackhawk? Soemthing like that. I'll see if I can dig it up, but nobodies going to like some of the other names on the list....

964 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:34pm

re: #898 quickjustice

No one knew the economy was tanking until the September Surprise on September 16, 2008, when there was an electronic run on the banks to the tune of $550 billion within two hours. The sheer size was unprecedented in the history of the banking system. McCain had just passed Obama in the polls for the first time. The sudden economic crisis sent McCain's polls downward as he flailed for a response. McCain never recovered.

The economic crisis seems to have benefited Obama in getting elected. It also has enabled his passage of the stimulus package, which is a giant gift to Democratic interest groups. Rather than hurting Obama, the economic crisis has helped him so far.

quickjustice -

Thank you for fleshing out the bones of my reply to Afrocity.

-S-

965 apachesam  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:39pm

re: #760 freetoken

Okay, sorry everyone. It’s been pointed out to me that I rarely make comments. So, because of my infraction of having other things in life to do other than make daily comments, novices are not welcomed and are to be called racist and stupid after making a single post and that had no comment about race either way. Since the standard of stupid is subjective I’ll let that one stand. “Stupid is as stupid does” is the famous quote.

I bow out and take with me a lesson about posting on LGF.

Take care and I wish you all well.

Cheers

966 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:47pm

re: #940 tradewind

It's one of those saddlebagging groups that were created out of McCain-Feingold's lunacy. Not part of, but associated with, kind of thang.

IF the GOP has ANY power over it, the GOP needs to jerk its chains and bring it up short.

967 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:47pm
968 beeds  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:48pm

Ann Coulter is a joke. I sometimes wonder if her real motivations are to sabotage the conservative movement.

969 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:55pm

re: #939 Afrocity

Trust me, you really don't. We burn at the beach, get freckles, and we're nearsighted. The chlorine in the pool turns our hair green......
:)

970 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:55pm

re: #939 Afrocity

I always said to my mom. In my next life I want to be blond and blue eyed. or I would at least like to try it out for a day ;-)

What about red hair and deep brown eyes that bring men to their knees?

971 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:06pm

re: #581 Curtis LeMay

Heya Killgore

Nah, I've done that. VB aren't racists, really. They are Felmish nationalists.

And they're about as racist as our Democratic Party was coz it had Senator KKK Byrd in it for a long time.

Go to Antwerp, go to Marseilles, go to Malmo, look through the eyes of a common Dutchman, Frenchman or Swede and see what's happening with the ramapant muslim immigration to their countries, and then read up on VB once again...

There's nothing you can tell me about people who sport nazi symbology and lay flowers at the graves of dead SS officers.

972 Boxy_brown  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:08pm

re: #925 Charles


"I feel like I'm having a bad dream."


What sucks about it is that "the right" (Please accept the term for the moment) keeps losing numbers because of things like this. The "left" has no problem with running someone close to Farrakhan or Wright. But yes, I agree that we need set the bar higher. (one would have thought that wouldn't be difficult.)

973 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:12pm

re: #957 theheat

I want to look and age like Lena Horne. Trade?

I haven't seen a recent pic of Horne, but in the last one I can recall seeing of her a few years ago, she still looked dynamite...hope she still has that going for her (along with good health).

974 Caboose  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:15pm

re: #181 So?

I wouldn't be caught dead wearing an "alligator" t-shirt.

I have one from many, many years ago, except the 'gator is feet-up with little 'x's for eyes and the tongue is hangin' out... the anti-preppy shirt!

The only "pride" shirt you will ever catch me in is "American" pride and I have yet to want to spend the money on one, if they exist. I hate this stratification of Americans, what is wrong with being plain ol' American without the freakin' hyphenation? It's not like I can't see that you are black/asian/hispanic/etc. so spare me the billboarding!

975 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:18pm

re: #919 MandyManners

Is the CPAC a branch of the GOP?

No.

/just overlap

976 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:19pm

New thread, continuing this thread! Shall we go?

977 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:37pm
978 apachesam  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:37pm

re: #769 Idle Drifter

Okay, sorry everyone. It’s been pointed out to me that I rarely make comments. So, because of my infraction of having other things in life to do other than make daily comments, novices are not welcomed and are to be called racist and stupid after making a single post and that had no comment about race either way. Since the standard of stupid is subjective I’ll let that one stand. “Stupid is as stupid does” is the famous quote.

I bow out and take with me a lesson about posting on LGF.

Take care and I wish you all well.

Cheers

979 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:44pm

For Killgore:

980 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:46pm

re: #955 tradewind

I use it to designate my kids on phone. Everything else is just ' old phone ring', but somehow, this reminds me of kids.

Oh no he didn't just go there....! :)

981 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:47pm

re: #901 Naso Tang

Hello!

Most racists blacks think that they are not racists.

982 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:53pm

re: #948 Dr. Shalit

Perplexed -

In my business - Residential Rental Real Estate - an I.O.U. in the form of a BAD CHECK might buy you 60 Days give or take. Nothing more.

-S-

Yep and now California is doing this to the people and businesses across this nation.

983 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:41:58pm

re: #913 Afrocity

"Why give someone that much power over you?"

Good Question!

984 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:42:21pm

re: #981 Afrocity

they think they're victims. right?

985 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:42:24pm

re: #567 MandyManners

What is RACE, anyway?

How many degrees you are from the equator?(We are all people of color) or Social Anthropological customs associated with a tribe located at a certain degree from the equator. And they had hegemony at one time or another so they could evolve. The internet is leveling all that out.

986 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:42:24pm

re: #967 jopa416

Get your own bloody blog.

987 notutopia  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:42:34pm

re: #490 Thanos

If you're identity is based on the color of your skin, the country you come from, or what religion you belong to then you are a weak individual indeed.

None of these things truly defines a human. You are a complex being with free will able to make choices, you are not some weak meat puppet indelibly charred by your countrie's culture. Once past the age of 10 or so you started making choices.

Thanos, You are so correct. We are who we make ourselves to be by choice.
Your statement reminds me of the Babylon 5, episode 43, where Ambassador Delenn is interrogated by the mysterious Sebastian, who repetitively keeps asking the fundamental question, "WHO are you?".

988 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:42:37pm

re: #943 winston06

Ah, thanks.

989 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:42:51pm
990 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:42:57pm

re: #925 Charles

I feel like I'm having a bad dream.

Bad dream? It's a frickin nightmare.

991 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:43:11pm

I have to shut-down in a few so the cable can reboot.

bbiab -- don't know if I'll ever catch-up.

992 BryanS  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:43:44pm

re: #960 winston06

Andrew Sullivan is Ann Coulter of the left.

Andrew Sullivan is just confused. First he's a liberal, then he's a conservative, then he's somewhat libertarian, and now back to rabid leftist. Sullivan is just as much the media whore that Coulter is.

993 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:43:46pm

re: #979 Sharmuta

Burn Baby, burn!

Only though disaster can we be resurrected. - Tyler Durden

994 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:43:57pm
995 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:44:25pm

re: #992 BryanS

Agreed

996 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:44:30pm

re: #981 Afrocity

Hello!

Most racists blacks think that they are not racists.

Of course not. They are Democrats aren't they?

;=)

997 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:44:35pm

re: #969 tradewind

Not to mention, a good portion of us support the cosmetics industry, looking for anything to keep wrinkles at bay. Flyaway hair, those freaky blue eyes, thin skin, SPF 30... ugh.

998 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:44:35pm

re: #973 talon_262

Damn, I did not realize Lena Horne's 90 years old now...I knew she was up there, but not that up there!

I certainly wish her the best of luck and health.

999 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:44:44pm

re: #939 Afrocity

I always said to my mom. In my next life I want to be blond and blue eyed. or I would at least like to try it out for a day ;-)

I am going to be a pampered house cat.

1000 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:44:52pm

re: #989 apachesam

Okay, sorry everyone. It’s been pointed out to me that I rarely make comments. So, because of my infraction of having other things in life to do other than make daily comments, novices are not welcomed and are to be called racist and stupid after making a single post and that had no comment about race either way. Since the standard of stupid is subjective I’ll let that one stand. “Stupid is as stupid does” is the famous quote.

I bow out and take with me a lesson about posting on LGF.

Take care and I wish you all well.

Cheers

Why not stay and let those scales get toughened?

1001 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:02pm

re: #961 not neo just conservative

But some people wearing "Black Pride" T-Shirts are declaring solidarity with Louis Farrakhan.

There's no difference. Either both are acceptable or neither are.

Ever seen FUBU clothing? For Us By Us. WTF?

1002 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:06pm

re: #965 apachesam

Oh my, another martyr swan song. Let's all have some pity.

/

1003 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:07pm

re: #980 SteveC

He brought it up as a joke, but hey, ya gotta love the MMMBOP.

1004 winston06  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:11pm

the new thread s here....

i m off to dinner. brb

1005 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:20pm

Ooh. Part 2.

1006 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:35pm

re: #970 Crimsonfisted

What about red hair and deep brown eyes that bring men to their knees?

LOL. If i were hite I would want to look like Ann Coulter. I think she is the epitomy of caucasian blond blue eyed nordic beauty. It is the antithesis of well...me I guess. It is so flawless her hair and her skin is like ivory. She looks great for a woman in her 40's too. Just Perfect.

1007 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:41pm

re: #614 Killgore Trout

I expected a lot of people to defend Coulter but I wasn't expecting them to be so eager to embrace the White Pride concept.

The masks slip from her demographic. No wonder she panders to the CCC.

1008 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:42pm

re: #998 talon_262

Damn, I did not realize Lena Horne's 90 years old now...I knew she was up there, but not that up there!

I certainly wish her the best of luck and health.

Actually, 91...PIMF!

;-P

1009 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:44pm

re: #992 BryanS

Andrew Sullivan is just confused. First he's a liberal, then he's a conservative, then he's somewhat libertarian, and now back to rabid leftist. Sullivan is just as much the media whore that Coulter is.

You got that right, and just as outrageous about lying.

1010 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:46:12pm

re: #1002 Thanos

Oh my, another martyr swan song. Let's all have some pity.

/

I ran out after the second cut and paste.

1011 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:47:04pm

When someone posts a dramatic goodbye message, their account gets blocked right away, because I've learned the hard way that these people will inevitably return and post nasty comments.

1012 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:47:28pm
1013 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:47:37pm

re: #670 Yankee Division Son

OT - (things that make me ill)

Bust Of Winston Churchill No Longer Wanted In Oval Office.


Uhg.. HT: the Jawa Report

Maybe if he had said:
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight negotiate on the beaches,
we shall negotiate on the landing grounds,
we shall negotiate in the fields and in the streets,
we shall negotiate in the hills;
we shall surrender, and even when, this Island or a large part of it is subjugated and starving, then our colonial Empire beyond the seas, will carry on the negotiations, until, in time, the World, with all its power and might, steps back and reasons with our attackers.

Churchill was too much like Bush; a bumpkin who stood his ground.

1014 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:47:41pm

re: #939 Afrocity

I always said to my mom. In my next life I want to be blond and blue eyed. or I would at least like to try it out for a day ;-)

The grass always seems greener. Being white isn't as great as it's crackered up to be.
(HAH! I am so punny!)

1015 Truck Monkey  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:48:11pm

re: #833 MandyManners

He's a senior justice on the United States Supreme Court. He earned that.

His skin color came with birth and is utterly irrelevant.

Ummmm. Mandy. He is a columnist and senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

1016 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:48:50pm

re: #614 Killgore Trout

I expected a lot of people to defend Coulter but I wasn't expecting them to be so eager to embrace the White Pride concept.

Generational evolution. It's an age thing. The younger less educated commercial generation is more than likely to use the "N" word regardless of race. And also sees the white pride t-shirt as complementary in logic to the black pride one. It takes some explaining. And the consciousness isn't always raised. New ideas are needed.

1017 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:48:58pm

re: #1012 buzzsawmonkey

Or, you can just heat up a SwanSong frozen TV dinner.

We have to get together and kill a few bottles some day, maybe a steak or two.

1018 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:49:07pm

re: #943 winston06

means SNOW


Good advice in either language = "don't eat the yellow snow!"

1019 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:49:13pm

re: #1014 jcw46

That is too funny. If you ever need "black up" let me know ;-)

1020 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:49:27pm

re: #1006 Afrocity Nah...stay who you are. I personally believe that black women..light or dark...age better than we white women do. I had a neighbor who just had the best skin in the world. I was shocked to find out her age.

1021 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:49:34pm

re: #939 Afrocity

I always said to my mom. In my next life I want to be blond and blue eyed. or I would at least like to try it out for a day ;-)

sounds like 'the Jerk'

1022 Haverwilde  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:49:35pm

re: #990 Thanos

re: #990 Thanos


re: #925 Charles
I feel like I'm having a bad dream.

Bad dream? It's a frickin nightmare.

And it keeps repeating itself every morning I wake up and Obama is President. And he is doing another damned fool thing. And all the loud mouth opposition can do is spew gibberish, or coulterish, or IDiocy, or some damned moronish!

I want my country back.

1023 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:49:51pm
1024 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:50:25pm

re: #942 MandyManners

No problem. I needed my ass kicked for that bone-headedness.


What?

1025 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:51:24pm

re: #1023 buzzsawmonkey

That sounds like fun.

Lord knows I could use some fun. If I make it out to Philly (right?, or are you in NYC?), I will meet you somewhere. And if you get near Houston, LMK.

1026 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:52:46pm
1027 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:52:48pm

re: #1000 MandyManners

Why not stay and let those scales get toughened?

No choice now.

1028 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:00pm
1029 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:07pm

re: #1022 Haverwilde

re: #990 Thanos

And it keeps repeating itself every morning I wake up and Obama is President. And he is doing another damned fool thing. And all the loud mouth opposition can do is spew gibberish, or coulterish, or IDiocy, or some damned moronish!

I want my country back.

Haverwilde,

I feel the same way. What hurts me is that this is the first African American president and I cannot stand him. This was supposed to be a happy time for me as a black woman. Mind you I NEVER EVER was one of those blacks who said "I thought I would never live to see the day that a black man would be president..."

I knew I would see it in my lifetime...However a woman president I am beginning to wonder about.

1030 cy_babe  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:20pm

Re: 932: Charles...
I may be nuts. I only saw two ads. One for a country singer: Wayne Troutt, and one for t-shirts (white pride and don't tread on me...btw: the white pride had a shamrock – perhaps stupid but not offensive). If those are knows racists, I didn't know that. I don't necessarily believe all the statement of principles still apply, but the truth is; this country (US of A) was founded by classic Europeans, we may have become multi-cultural, but our government started from the European tradition ... Other than that, I honestly didn't see any obvious racist thing on that page. I think some people may just be hyper sensitive. Ann may be right afterall.

1031 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:35pm

re: #654 MandyManners

Could that be because they're not known widely?

Nation of Islam

1032 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:41pm

re: #960 winston06

Andrew Sullivan is Ann Coulter of the left.

Whatever.

1033 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:56pm

re: #671 SpringheelJack

Here's my thing: I am not a "white power" guy, nor am I a fundamentalist Christian (actually I'm mostly agnostic), and I don't have strong opinions about abortion in either direction. But I will not spend time and energy obsessing about some "white power" guys, or fundies, or radical anti-abortionists when there are Jihadis plotting carnage upon the US.

No threat to our rights and freedoms as Americans can be safely ignored, whether the excuse is the presence of other threats or not.

1034 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:54:37pm

re: #1026 buzzsawmonkey

I'm in NYC. I've never made it to Texas.

We're even, then. I've never made it closer to NYC than Baw-stuhn.

1035 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:55:20pm

re: #1028 Iron Fist

It also does not help that Obama uses class warfare.

1036 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:55:20pm

re: #1029 Afrocity

It makes me feel better to see your say this, because it got so tiring to try to explain the statement ' I want to vote for an African American president. It's time for an African American president. Just not THIS guy '.
No one bought it.

1037 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:55:33pm

re: #1030 cy_babe
The shamrock is a symbol used by white supremacists. Think "prison tattos".

1038 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:56:29pm

re: #1006 Afrocity

LOL. If i were hite I would want to look like Ann Coulter. I think she is the epitomy of caucasian blond blue eyed nordic beauty. It is the antithesis of well...me I guess. It is so flawless her hair and her skin is like ivory. She looks great for a woman in her 40's too. Just Perfect.

Trust me. Red beats blonde. Always. :)

1039 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:56:49pm
1040 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:57:22pm

re: #1036 tradewind

PIMF
' you say ', not ' your say'....
Bad keyboard! Spank!

1041 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:57:27pm

re: #685 Charles

'SpringheelJack' is not welcome to post comments at LGF.

Smoked 'em out, apparently.

1042 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:57:29pm

re: #982 Perplexed

Yep and now California is doing this to the people and businesses across this nation.

Perplexed -

Don't know if you live in CA - I live in NJ and am off and on researching whether I as a citizen of the US, and the state in which I reside have standing to enter a Petition in Bankruptcy against my state. So far it looks like not, for residents of CA - Not So Sure!, as to the businesses, they probably do - AND - won't because they prefer waiting to the possibility of not being able to do business with CA in the future.

-S-

1043 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:57:32pm

re: #738 Sharmuta

Damn- this shit just makes me sick.

I don't understand bigotry, and I never have. I never will.

Bigotry threads require a definition at the start. Get everyone on the same logic. people think of it differently.

1044 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:58:52pm

re: #745 Sheepdogess

Thomas Sowell, amongst people of his color (whatever the hell color means), is still considered...white

I'm still confused..

Never heard that at all. It would have to be sourced.

1045 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:58:55pm

re: #693 Perplexed

The decent thing for Curtis LeMay to have done would have been to drop out as George Wallace's running mate once he found out who their support was. How he could not have known this in advance perplexes me.

1046 gopninja  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:00:30pm

I think she is vile, anyways.

1047 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:00:55pm

re: #699 NelsFree

If we do not learn from what is happening in Europe, we shall regret it.

We ARE learing - that embracing neofascist ethnic nationalists marginalizes a party, and causes moderates and centrists to treat them like the moral lepers they are.

1048 NelsFree  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:01:01pm

re: #917 Sharmuta

I believe I felt the "swooosh" of a clue-by-four pass over my head.
What a thread this has been! I must now retire to nurse my cold and hopefully recover sufficiently to do verbal jousting with my fellow Lizards on the next go-round. Good night, all.

1049 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:01:13pm

re: #939 Afrocity

I always said to my mom. In my next life I want to be blond and blue eyed. or I would at least like to try it out for a day ;-)

Afrocity -

Being Blond haired (Now "Gray/Blond") and blue eyed, I will say that for a MALE it can give an image of "Command Presence" - For a FEMALE, different story.

-S-

1050 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:01:23pm

re: #1030 cy_babe

Re: 932: Charles...
I may be nuts. I only saw two ads. One for a country singer: Wayne Troutt, and one for t-shirts (white pride and don't tread on me...btw: the white pride had a shamrock – perhaps stupid but not offensive). If those are knows racists, I didn't know that. I don't necessarily believe all the statement of principles still apply, but the truth is; this country (US of A) was founded by classic Europeans, we may have become multi-cultural, but our government started from the European tradition ... Other than that, I honestly didn't see any obvious racist thing on that page. I think some people may just be hyper sensitive. Ann may be right afterall.

You're not welcome to post any more comments here.

1051 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:02:18pm

re: #1037 UberInfidel67

The shamrock is a symbol used by white supremacists. Think "prison tattos".

Are you trying to ruin St Patricks Day? Really? Is this true? I was just at a party store to get stuff for the grandaughter and there were a lot of shamrocks.

1052 yochanan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:02:56pm

re: #1039 buzzsawmonkey

the most racist place in america is inside it's prisons, black racism = white racism.
if you are a honky in c(r)ook country jail it is F''' OR FIGHT.

1053 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:03:11pm

re: #1051 Crimsonfisted

Haters rune everything.

1054 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:03:25pm

re: #1048 NelsFree

Perhaps Charles wouldn't appreciate being called a conservative role model considering everything we're finding out about the so-called conservative movement these days, but I think he's what a conservative should be.

My apologies if my earlier comment offended our host in any way.

1055 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:03:52pm
1056 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:04:20pm

re: #833 MandyManners

re: #666 Sheepdogess

"So, is Thomas Sowell black or white?"

He's a senior justice on the United States Supreme Court. He earned that.

His skin color came with birth and is utterly irrelevant.


Uhhh Thomas Sowell is not a Supreme Court Justice but he is a brilliant economist who happens to be black

1057 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:05:40pm

re: #1053 jaunte

Haters rune everything.

jaunte -

Historically "runers" HATE nearly everything.

-S-

1058 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:05:41pm

re: #786 Iron Fist

Hey, but Nathan Bedford Forrest, Bull Connor, Orville Faubus, and a whole host of others were high ranking Democrats. In a fair world, the Democrats would have to eat a ration of shit for all of the many racists that they support.

Oh, hell, and I forgot Kleagle Byrd.

When you see modern people arguing and using the distant path as a moral background for present problems. Accurate root interpretation is good.

Today is different then yesterday.

1059 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:07:11pm

re: #737 apachesam

Wow, such negative waves from the Lizard Army. I got 9-plus negatives in less than 10 Minuets (Post 560). I use sarcasm to point out how quick we are to condemn anyone who would dare violate Lizard orthodoxy with little investigation. How about we ask Ann Coulter about the book before we start the fires to burn both.

Quite frankly, I’m quite use to finding this type of monolithically one side debate on DU, DK, or Huffing and Puffing Post.

And now I suck because I differ? Same on me I guess.

When what you differ about is the necessity of distancing from white supremacist or separatist racists, you're most probably right - it's one of the few issues that you could find agreement on almost totally across the blogosphere spectrum. And for good and ample reasons, that any folks with two neurons to rub together and who aren't racial haters themselves should abundantly understand.

1060 gopninja  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:07:26pm

shamrocks are racist symbols now? good lord i had no idea

1061 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:01pm

re: #1011 Charles

When someone posts a dramatic goodbye message, their account gets blocked right away, because I've learned the hard way that these people will inevitably return and post nasty comments.

Hmm. "Suicide by Stinky" has a good alliteration going for it.

1062 outsidephilly  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:23pm

re: #969 tradewind

Trust me, you really don't. We burn at the beach, get freckles, and we're nearsighted. The chlorine in the pool turns our hair green......
:)

Well, blue eyed blondes aren't are they're cracked up to be . . . , this week I changed the blonde to reddish, carmel-brown with blonde chunks . . . , and if I wear a greenish color top my eyes take on a green tint.

. . . , I can't seem to get rid of the freckles, though

1063 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:28pm

re: #1030 cy_babe

You are an idiot.

1064 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:45pm

re: #1057 Dr. Shalit

I got interested in nordic art a couple of years ago, and quickly found the whole field was crawling with racists.

1065 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:50pm

re: #1045 Salamantis

The decent thing for Curtis LeMay to have done would have been to drop out as George Wallace's running mate once he found out who their support was. How he could not have known this in advance perplexes me.

I think that LeMay may have been losing it at that point. I remember him being dragged off of the stage in the middle of a speech.

1066 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:56pm

re: #891 Cato

No one is perfect..Not even Thomas Sowell...My hero ;^)

1067 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:09:01pm

re: #1020 UberInfidel67

Nah...stay who you are. I personally believe that black women..light or dark...age better than we white women do. I had a neighbor who just had the best skin in the world. I was shocked to find out her age.

Sad but true. Paler skin tends to wrinkle faster.

1068 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:11:47pm
1069 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:12:01pm

re: #1030 cy_babe

Re: 932: Charles...
I may be nuts. I only saw two ads. One for a country singer: Wayne Troutt, and one for t-shirts (white pride and don't tread on me...btw: the white pride had a shamrock – perhaps stupid but not offensive). If those are knows racists, I didn't know that. I don't necessarily believe all the statement of principles still apply, but the truth is; this country (US of A) was founded by classic Europeans, we may have become multi-cultural, but our government started from the European tradition ... Other than that, I honestly didn't see any obvious racist thing on that page. I think some people may just be hyper sensitive. Ann may be right afterall.

Yeah, you may be nuts.

And what the hell is a 'classic' European, BTW?

Did you READ anything on the page? Did the white pride t-shirts not make you slightly nervous?

1070 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:13:52pm

Cool! Pakistan Truce Features
Enforcement of Islamic Law

Pakistani officials reached a peace deal with a Taliban-linked group Sunday that could lead to the enforcement of Islamic law in a part of the country that is supposed to be fully under government control.

Militants in the Swat Valley responded by declaring a 10-day cease-fire as a goodwill gesture.

The agreement is expected to be formally announced Monday.

Anybody have any questions about who 'exactly' has the upper and controlling hand? Other than AP?

1071 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:14:39pm

re: #1019 Afrocity

That is too funny. If you ever need "black up" let me know ;-)

Honky if you like white people.

1072 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:15:38pm

re: #1037 UberInfidel67

The shamrock is a symbol used by white supremacists. Think "prison tattos".

That information is upsetting this hyphenated American of Irish descent a whole lot.

1073 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:15:45pm

re: #1063 Naso Tang

You are an idiot.

And now a blocked idiot.

1074 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:29pm
1075 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:54pm

re: #1069 SanFranciscoZionist

Googling 'Wayne Troutt' brings up a lot of mentions on Stormfront, and a distributor called Micetrap that deals in neonazi material.

1076 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:19:11pm

re: #1044 hazzyday

I tried to make a point that was obviously missed. Of course he's black(skin coior). His values (conservative), are considered white by his brethren (AA's).

Don't you all see? This battle is not about skin color, or religion, it's about VALUES. Conservative/Liberal.

1077 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:19:38pm

re: #1055 Iron Fist

It's part of the modern direction... racialists aren't racists anymore by their rationalizations. They are "tribalists" and other cultures are ok, just not ok to mix with or marry with. They want separtist tribal enclaves for each tribe etc. This is how they get some of the folks not willing to go full supremacist to join. So you will see links between other tribal nationalist groups and groups like AIM (American Indian Movement), and support for other separatist groups around the world.

1078 formercorpsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:55pm

No excuses.

1079 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:21:30pm

New thread upstairs

1080 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:22:11pm
1081 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:24:01pm

re: #1029 Afrocity

Afrocity -

Assuming you are 40 or under, you WILL see a Woman elected President. After all, I voted for Sarah Palin and "what'shisname" last November 4. It is only a matter of when/who, not if.

-S-

1082 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:24:22pm

re: #939 Afrocity

I always said to my mom. In my next life I want to be blond and blue eyed. or I would at least like to try it out for a day ;-)

In incarnational theory. some come to teach, some come to learn.

1083 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:23pm

re: #1006 Afrocity

LOL. If i were white I would want to look like Ann Coulter. I think she is the epitome of caucasian blond blue eyed nordic beauty.

Hmmm... If I were black, I think I'd want to look like LeVar Burton. (He has wonderfully charismatic eyes, IMO -- kind of ironic that they were always covered in one of his best known roles!) On the other hand, Burton is maybe too-cute to be the black version of me. Yaphet Kotto might be a better fit because he has the right sort of "not quite handsome at first, but then he grows on you" looks.

("Black Boys / White Boys" from Hair -- and, yep, that's Nell Carter singing in praise of milky, Chinese-silky caucasoid love.)

1084 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:26:14pm

re: #947 OldLineTexan

I'm not ordering barf water, regardless.

Yah the problem would be with the waiter thinking. "He's Texan! He probably meant barf, not ice"

1085 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:27:38pm
1086 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:28:15pm

re: #1077 Thanos

It's part of the modern direction... racialists aren't racists anymore by their rationalizations. They are "tribalists" and other cultures are ok, just not ok to mix with or marry with. They want separtist tribal enclaves for each tribe etc. This is how they get some of the folks not willing to go full supremacist to join. So you will see links between other tribal nationalist groups and groups like AIM (American Indian Movement), and support for other separatist groups around the world.

I once got into a happy knock-down with some dude on line who insisted that he was NOT a racist, he just wanted his kids to marry other 'Indo-Europeans'. For cultural reasons. Couldn't convince him that a language group is not a cultural group.

What I wanted to know what, when it came right down to it, would he want his son to marry a blond Finnish girl, or a Romany? If this were all about being Indo-European speaking, obviously, his choice was clear.

He never answered, despite prodding.

1087 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:28:48pm

re: #961 not neo just conservative

But some people wearing "Black Pride" T-Shirts are declaring solidarity with Louis Farrakhan.

There's no difference. Either both are acceptable or neither are.

Actually, some of them are declaring solidarity with W.E.B. Dubois and Martin Luther King. But practically all people wearing white pride t shirts are declaring solidarity with Don Black and David Duke.

1088 JHW  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:30:03pm

Those asking about the shamrock....think context. Most of the time it's innocent usage, others, depending on what its context is, is symbolic for something else. I'll re-post this as its use as a gang symbol or use by convicts .Context.
Gang Symbols
In this case,for the "Aryans".

1089 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:35:37pm
1090 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:35:55pm

re: #1055 Iron Fist

Not a direct reply to anyone, just an observation. At IHOP this morning (I and the girlfriend breakfast there on weekends) there wos a guy wearing an Odin's Cross T-shirt, but the Corss was done in multiple colors, had "feathers" hanging off the bottom of it like a plains indian's shield, and had the caption "Respect the Culture". Damned if I could figure out which culture he meant.

Big Birds United

1091 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:15pm

re: #671 SpringheelJack

Here's my thing: I am not a "white power" guy, nor am I a fundamentalist Christian (actually I'm mostly agnostic), and I don't have strong opinions about abortion in either direction. But I will not spend time and energy obsessing about some "white power" guys, or fundies, or radical anti-abortionists when there are Jihadis plotting carnage upon the US.

Well, maybe you should.

These "white power" guys, these "fundies", these "radical anti-abortionists" are acting as wedges to split conservatism (and the GOP) asunder. These groups are becoming so damn useful to the Left (and by extension, the jihadis), that it would not surprise me at all to learn that they were somehow being funded by the Left.

1092 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:12:52pm

re: #859 winston06

i see. i will look into it.

So you're saying I should just walk into a Fed bldg in Wash DC and tell them I would like to work for them? :-D

I expect you could apply on-line, or by mail. In fact, I'm inclined to think that such an application might be more appropriate than simply walking up and knocking on the door.

There are probably also some private security firms or think tanks that could use the services of a translator with your background.

1093 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:14:59pm

re: #1089 ploome hineni

That's not what I said, that's what you said.

1094 Promethea  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:31:42pm

re: #656 buzzsawmonkey

a) Irish were not considered "white" in the 19th century. Nor were Italians or Slavs, and certainly not Jews.

b) "White pride" has the unfortunate history of having been the excuse to murder some 11 million people on the continent of Europe less than 3/4 of a century ago.

c) "White pride" was also the excuse, in this country, for opposing equal political rights for various waves of immigrants, and for black Americans.

d) Again: "white" is not an ethnicity. It is a pseudoscientific description, based on skin tone, which encompasses a number of ethnicities and cultures which are very different from each other.

e) Most catch-all "pride" categories are ridiculous; there are vast differences among Asians, among Africans, etc., just as there are among Europeans. The appropriate response to these silly categories, however, is not to set up a new one.

Very well stated. As you said, there are vast differences among Asians, Africans, etc. etc. etc. The category "race" is one of the least useful in trying to describe who people are.

The so-called "white race" includes all the varied indigenous peoples from Ireland through Afghanistan. Not hardly a meaningful category!

1095 jzm  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:46:57pm

I LOVE Ann Coulter even if I don't agree with everything she says :)

1096 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:49:35pm
1097 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:02:29pm

re: #1081 Dr. Shalit

Afrocity -

Assuming you are 40 or under, you WILL see a Woman elected President. After all, I voted for Sarah Palin and "what'shisname" last November 4. It is only a matter of when/who, not if.

-S-

And if we'd known more about this turkey in there now, some of us would have bit the bullet an voted for ..... (gasp, no, no, I don't think I can say this....) Hillary Clinton. {gotta go have a drink after that}

1098 Macker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:42:39pm

re: #0 Charles

This is completely beyond the pale.

I was thinking more along the lines of vile, because to me, Ann Coulter is now in the same league as...say, Pamela Geller.

1099 Westward Ho  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:50:24pm

re: #645 Maui Girl

Simple - the power diffrential between both the groups. If you cannot understand that think the native american catastrophe, slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, Holocaust, colonialism and ask what do they have in common besides suffering on a massive scale?

1100 Victory Gin For All  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:22:03am

I reviewed the website and read the statement of principles. I found a couple of things with which I disagreed, but I was actually more outraged by the website of our President's former church.

When a black person wears "Black Power" on a t-shirt, he's just politically enabled. When a white person wears "White Power" on a t-shirt, he's a racist. This is a fact in our society. I can certainly sympathize with people who react to this double standard in this way.

1101 drj  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:20:56am

main stream media and democrats will no doubt grab hold of this and not let go....okay fine, maybe they are entitled to......but maybe they should grab hold of CAIR's support of terrorism and not let that go?

Ann indefensible support of "CCC"

Obama's indefensible support of CAIR? At least Ann can't make laws.

1102 not neo just conservative  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:36:07am

re: #1087 Salamantis

Recognizing this is a dead thread, and realizing you'll probably not read this, your point is pointless. "White Pride", "Black Pride", either one, whether you're intent is to root for Martin Luther King or Robert Mugabe, Abe Lincoln or Nathanial Bedford Forrest, it's all racism by definition and all of it is either right or wrong, there's no room for moral equivalence. "It's OK because of the color of their skin and their intent" doesn't cut it.

1103 DoesNotMatter  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:57:33am

To quote an old latin teacher me of: "This business of substituting "c" for "k" willy nilly is annoying. Therefore I refer to Alkemie, Kemie and Kina to annoy them right back."

What is a theophage ? I know but it's way more fun asking an catholic about it.

1104 Yashmak  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:09:25am

re: #1102 not neo just conservative

Recognizing this is a dead thread, and realizing you'll probably not read this, your point is pointless. "White Pride", "Black Pride", either one, whether you're intent is to root for Martin Luther King or Robert Mugabe, Abe Lincoln or Nathanial Bedford Forrest, it's all racism by definition and all of it is either right or wrong, there's no room for moral equivalence. "It's OK because of the color of their skin and their intent" doesn't cut it.

Racism, by its simplest definition, is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it out to be. One can claim double-standards all day long, but it's a fact that White Pride t-shirts are almost universally worn by folks who adhere to genuine racism per the definition, that whites are somehow superior as a race, while it's my impression that the motivation for wearing a black pride t-shirt is different for most. It's more like a display declaring that they are not ashamed of their race. That's not racism.

Granted, that's just my opinion based on experience.

1105 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:41:50am

These people who try to divert the blame by yelling, "It's a double standard!" are falling into a well-known logical fallacy known as tu quoque.

None of this matters. You can't excuse Coulter's defense of a white supremacist group by screaming about Rev. Wright, or pointless comparisons to "Black Pride" t-shirts.

This tactic is the last refuge of people who have no other way to defend something.

1106 scooby  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:58:45am

Look, some people have said that conservatism is "infested" with kooks. We're not; we can count our kooks on one hand. The left can't untie themselves from the truthers, black racists, hispanic racists, CAIR, etc. But we're not stewards of liberalism, our job is to promote a positive conservative message and to set an example for our right-thinking liberal friends.

Most people, including quiet conservative majority, are going to understand conservatism by its adherents, whether that's fair or not and whether or not it's an accurate portrayal of conservative principles. So if we want to define conservatism, we need to oust people like Buchanan, Paul and Coulter. Before I read this, I wouldn't have included Coulter on that list, but this willful blindness is intolerable. We really need to write Mr. Steele and CPAC and tell them not to host her. I'd like to say I'd accept an apology, but I can't imagine a convincing excuse for her behavior.

1107 scooby  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:04:00am
These people who try to divert the blame by yelling, "It's a double standard!" are falling into a well-known logical fallacy...

More importantly, they're losing sight of the long problem conservatism has had: we've always allowed the left to define what we are, reacting to their accusations and letting them set the moral high ground. That's idiocy: we're the ones who believe morality is objective, they're the ones who believe in postmodernism and relativism. Their relativism makes whatever the left does irrelevant to what's right! We should be showing them how to behave, and we do that by holding up an example for them to live up to, not by trying to be slightly less amoral than they are.

1108 Red Lion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:13:47am

You da man, Charles. Keep telling it like it is!

1109 not neo just conservative  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:46:16am

re: #1104 Yashmak

I couldn't disagree more. Whatever you say, your argument boils down to a determination based on the color of someone's skin. If they are this color, and say they are proud of their race, then they are racist. If they are that color and say the same thing, then they are not.

You are horribly mistaken if you don't think racism is rampant in the black community. It is more common and more accepted and more mainstream than the peckerwood rednecks at CCC have been in decades, mostly because it is enabled by people with your views.

1110 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:01:18pm

re: #1109 not neo just conservative

You are horribly mistaken if you don't think racism is rampant in the black community. It is more common and more accepted and more mainstream than the peckerwood rednecks at CCC have been in decades, mostly because it is enabled by people with your views.

Care to elaborate on how you know that to be true and why you decided to compare racism in the black community with racism at the CCC?

1111 not neo just conservative  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:12:02pm

re: #1105 Charles

You do realize of course that I never defended or excused Coulter. What I did was point out that there are all kinds of racism and in general one kind gets lots of attention and other kinds often don't.

You've got people commenting here that white racism is worse than other types because Hitler was white. You've got people here that claim that other races can wear any damn T-shirt they want without being racist, but that a White man wearing a shamrock T-Shirt must be racist. When I was in the service, I remember seeing a young, black Marine wearing a T-shirt with a picture of Malcolm X or some such with a sniper rifle and a caption that read "by any means necessary." He was wearing it openly on base and caught zero flack for it. If I had a similar T-shirt, but the person depicted was a guy in a Klan outfit, I most likely would have been court martialed and deservedly so. So why did the black guy get the pass? Racism, pure and simple. He's not responsible because he's black.

My whole point, and I stand by it, is that racism is racism whether it originates from a white, brown, or black person, and whether it is commonly frowned upon or is generally accepted by society.

It is either all OK, or none of it is OK. Period.

1112 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:13:14pm

Tu quoque

1113 not neo just conservative  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:19:14pm

re: #1112 Sharmuta

argumentum ad hominem

1114 Yashmak  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:39:38pm

re: #1109 not neo just conservative

I couldn't disagree more. Whatever you say, your argument boils down to a determination based on the color of someone's skin. If they are this color, and say they are proud of their race, then they are racist. If they are that color and say the same thing, then they are not.

You can disagree all you want, but you're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with the definition of racism. It's not my argument, it's the DEFINITION of the word.

1115 not neo just conservative  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:46:17pm

re: #1114 Yashmak

Nope, I'm disagreeing with your interpretation of the definition. You are postulating that when white people and black people do the same thing, one group is acting racist and the other is not. You provide a definition,


Racism, by its simplest definition, is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

and then you interpret your own definition:

I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it out to be. One can claim double-standards all day long, but it's a fact that White Pride t-shirts are almost universally worn by folks who adhere to genuine racism per the definition, that whites are somehow superior as a race, while it's my impression that the motivation for wearing a black pride t-shirt is different for most. It's more like a display declaring that they are not ashamed of their race. That's not racism.

I agree with the definition. I disagree with your interpretation. Your definition does not interject the color of the determinants skin, your interpretation does so.

1116 Aye Pod  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:58:25pm

re: #1006 Afrocity

LOL. If i were hite I would want to look like Ann Coulter. I think she is the epitomy of caucasian blond blue eyed nordic beauty. It is the antithesis of well...me I guess. It is so flawless her hair and her skin is like ivory. She looks great for a woman in her 40's too. Just Perfect.

The portion revelant to my assessment of her 'attractiveness' starts at 0:28 -

1117 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:32:11pm

re: #1102 not neo just conservative

Recognizing this is a dead thread, and realizing you'll probably not read this, your point is pointless. "White Pride", "Black Pride", either one, whether you're intent is to root for Martin Luther King or Robert Mugabe, Abe Lincoln or Nathanial Bedford Forrest, it's all racism by definition and all of it is either right or wrong, there's no room for moral equivalence. "It's OK because of the color of their skin and their intent" doesn't cut it.

Black pride has been historically expressed in the face of oppression, while white pride has been historically expressed as a justification of it. History matters, which is why there IS NO moral equivalence.

1118 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:36:26pm

re: #1100 Victory Gin For All

I reviewed the website and read the statement of principles. I found a couple of things with which I disagreed, but I was actually more outraged by the website of our President's former church.

When a black person wears "Black Power" on a t-shirt, he's just politically enabled. When a white person wears "White Power" on a t-shirt, he's a racist. This is a fact in our society. I can certainly sympathize with people who react to this double standard in this way.

re: #1101 drj

main stream media and democrats will no doubt grab hold of this and not let go....okay fine, maybe they are entitled to......but maybe they should grab hold of CAIR's support of terrorism and not let that go?

Ann indefensible support of "CCC"

Obama's indefensible support of CAIR? At least Ann can't make laws.

Here we have two examples of people who are attempting to minimize someone's support for one evil by pointing at another. While all houses should be cleaned of racism, and it is useful to point to the dirty houses of others to put pressure on them to do some housecleaning, the only house that we can clean is our own - and we should do so, rather than make excuses for our dirty houses by pointing to the dirty houses of others.

1119 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:43:58pm

re: #1109 not neo just conservative

I couldn't disagree more. Whatever you say, your argument boils down to a determination based on the color of someone's skin. If they are this color, and say they are proud of their race, then they are racist. If they are that color and say the same thing, then they are not.

You are horribly mistaken if you don't think racism is rampant in the black community. It is more common and more accepted and more mainstream than the peckerwood rednecks at CCC have been in decades, mostly because it is enabled by people with your views.

Actually, there are two different kinds of white racism in America. In the South, racist whites don't care how close blacks get to them, so long as they don't go too far and rise too high; in the North, racist whites don't care how far blacks go and how high they rise, so long as they don't get too close.

There's nothing to be either proud of or ashamed about in an accident of birth. But the fact remains that those people who are simply proud of that accident of birth are not in the same category as those who use it as some sort of justification for oppressing those who don't share it.

1120 not neo just conservative  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:51:11pm

re: #1117 Salamantis

Black pride has been historically expressed in the face of oppression, while white pride has been historically expressed as a justification of it. History matters, which is why there IS NO moral equivalence.

Historically is the key word. What happened 40 years ago doesn't justify racism on either part.

1121 Yashmak  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:26:04pm

re: #1115 not neo just conservative

Nope, I'm disagreeing with your interpretation of the definition. You are postulating that when white people and black people do the same thing, one group is acting racist and the other is not. You provide a definition,

I didn't interpret the definition. I merely posted my observation that I've never seen an individual wearing a white pride t-shirt who WASN'T a racist, while I've met folks wearing black pride t-shirts who have no problems at all with other races. Nowhere in my post do I make an up or down statement about double-standards or racism. Just a personal, and admittedly anecdotal, observation. . .not an interpretation of any definition at all.

1122 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:42:09pm

re: #1120 not neo just conservative

Historically is the key word. What happened 40 years ago doesn't justify racism on either part.

It's happening NOW.

My wife applied to work at a private employment agency. She was told to list an applicant's race on reports sent out to prospective employers, so they could racially screen them. Employment discrimination on the basis of race is one of the most vile and egregious forms that racial bigotry can take. It flies in the face of the eminently American principle that one's individual merit, rather than one's race, should be the basis for employment decisions. She refused the job, and we reported them, and got them shut down, and got the employers who demanded such advance screening info prosecuted.

Do not be deluded into thinking that such a disgusting 'gentleman's agreement' is a rare exception, even now.

1123 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:30:22pm
1124 not neo just conservative  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:44:18pm

re: #1121 Yashmak

You say

I didn't interpret the definition.

but you contradict yourself. In your non-interpretation interpretation, you say, "it's my impression that the motivation for wearing a black pride t-shirt is..."

Sorry pal, that's interpretation. You can call it whatever you want, but "My impression is..." is an exact synonym for "My interpretation is..."

1125 not neo just conservative  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:50:32pm

re: #1122 Salamantis

Fine then. Racism NOW doesn't justify racism now. Racism then doesn't justify racism then. Racism is never justified ever by anyone regardless of their race. Is that OK with you? It doesn't seem to be. You have repeatedly stated that black people can take actions that would be construed as racist if they were white, but are not racist simply by the virtue of the color of their skin. If you feel that way, then you are a part of the problem. If you feel that way, then you are a racist, pure and simple.

1126 not neo just conservative  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:54:31pm

I'm tired of beating this dead horse on this dead thread. Later.

1127 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:05:57pm

re: #1125 not neo just conservative

Fine then. Racism NOW doesn't justify racism now. Racism then doesn't justify racism then. Racism is never justified ever by anyone regardless of their race. Is that OK with you? It doesn't seem to be. You have repeatedly stated that black people can take actions that would be construed as racist if they were white, but are not racist simply by the virtue of the color of their skin. If you feel that way, then you are a part of the problem. If you feel that way, then you are a racist, pure and simple.

What part of my post #1117 did you not understand?

re: #1117 Salamantis

Black pride has been historically expressed in the face of oppression, while white pride has been historically expressed as a justification of it. History matters, which is why there IS NO moral equivalence.

I strongly suspect that you are calling other people racists in order to justify your own.

1128 not neo just conservative  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:12:06pm

re: #1127 Salamantis

I don't give a shit what you suspect. If you feel that someone's skin color allows them to do things that would be considered racist if done by someone of another skin color, but is not considered racist simply because of their skin color, then you are a fool... and a racist.

1129 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:30:47pm

re: #473 not neo just conservative

Is the CCC racist? Looks that way from reading over their site. Having said that, I'll take all the outraged comments here seriously when I see an equivalent amount of uproar over La Raza or the NAACP. Racism comes in all colors and all of it deserves the same level of disgust, whether it comes from Jeremiah Wright or Michael Pfleger, just to pick a couple of random examples...

FYI- Here's what you said that started the entire discourse. By your very own words, you say you will only take the outraged comments seriously when you see an equivalent amount of uproar over La Raza or the NAACP.
It's a classic tu quoque logical fallacy.

1130 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:32:19pm

re: #1128 not neo just conservative

I don't give a shit what you suspect. If you feel that someone's skin color allows them to do things that would be considered racist if done by someone of another skin color, but is not considered racist simply because of their skin color, then you are a fool... and a racist.

You are free to dismiss or ignore historical circumstances in pursuit of your agenda, and I am free to invoke them in refutation.

1131 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:34:53pm

re: #1130 Salamantis

You are free to dismiss or ignore historical circumstances in pursuit of your agenda, and I am free to invoke them in refutation.

Holocaust denialists do this, too.

1132 ChicagoJohn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:45:33pm

I just checked out the CCC website, and I have no doubt that its racist.

However, I've learned from past experience that a lot of lefty organizations tend to take Ann's statements out of context, and in some cases, just make shit up.

Given the choice of believing in what the Southern Poverty Law Center says that Ann wrote, and giving Ann the benefit fo the doubt, I'm giving Ann the benefit of the doubt.

1133 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:48:39pm

re: #1132 ChicagoJohn

I just checked out the CCC website, and I have no doubt that its racist.

However, I've learned from past experience that a lot of lefty organizations tend to take Ann's statements out of context, and in some cases, just make shit up.

Given the choice of believing in what the Southern Poverty Law Center says that Ann wrote, and giving Ann the benefit fo the doubt, I'm giving Ann the benefit of the doubt.

The quote from her book is right there in the very next post.

They made nothing up.

1134 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:29:46pm

re: #1131 Salamantis

Holocaust denialists do this, too.

I wonder if you specify that you are not neo just conservative in your nick because the word neocon has become, for both left wing and right wing antisemites, slanderously synonymous for Americans who place Israel's welfare above the welfare of their own country...

1135 Shanimal1918  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 5:24:50am

She has been doing this for years, and still keeps coming up with Best Sellers. You guys just catching on now, in 2009? Here is how one host explained it in 2007 when people were boycotting her visit based on past racists remarks:

Ann Coulter is an entertainer who does political commentary. She uses extreme statements to get her point across.

I'm not defending her statements either, just pointing out that discussions like this help her cause as an entertainer and author.

1136 not neo just conservative  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 7:14:17am

re: #1134 Salamantis

Interesting how you've tried to equate me with holocaust deniers and anti-semites simply because I called bullshit on your definition of racism. Go look back at my comments. I stand by my point, that racism is racism regardless of the perpetrators skin color. You apparently feel that only white people can be racist, which by definition makes you racist. You are judging people by the color of their skin. That is clearly racist. There's no other way to describe it.

I'll pass on trying to explain how ludicrous it is to in effect call me a Nazi since I've been arguing against all racism this entire thread, but I will say that once you start calling people Nazi's for disagreeing with you, you've lost the argument. Go look up Godwin's Law.

1137 Yashmak  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 7:32:11am

re: #1124 not neo just conservative

but you contradict yourself. In your non-interpretation interpretation, you say, "it's my impression that the motivation for wearing a black pride t-shirt is..."

I didn't say what that motivation was, I said what my impression was. That's citing personal experience, NOT interpreting a definition. However, if it helps you feel better about yourself, as I said before, you can disagree all day long. You've still never confronted the differences between racism as you define it in your post, and the actual definition.

But then, I don't think you're really here for honest debate in the first place.

1138 not neo just conservative  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:04:31am

re: #1137 Yashmak

Here's exactly what you said.

I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it out to be. One can claim double-standards all day long, but it's a fact that White Pride t-shirts are almost universally worn by folks who adhere to genuine racism per the definition, that whites are somehow superior as a race, while it's my impression that the motivation for wearing a black pride t-shirt is different for most. It's more like a display declaring that they are not ashamed of their race. That's not racism.

You state a "fact" that isn't a fact, or at least you provide no proof of fact.

"White Pride t-shirts are almost universally worn by folks who adhere to genuine racism per the definition"

Then you go on to provide an "Impression of motivation" or some such nonsense that black pride T-Shirts are worn for black pride.

it's my impression that the motivation for wearing a black pride t-shirt is different for most. It's more like a display declaring that they are not ashamed of their race.

Your "fact" is no more fact than your impression is. Neither are supportable arguments. The only fact here is that you ascribe different motives for the same action based solely on someone's skin color. Again, it's hard to find a better definition of racism.

Here's a really good example. There's a clothing line company mentioned earlier in the thread; FUBU. Here's the Wikipedia entry:

FUBU is a clothing company. It includes casual wear, sports wear, a suit collection, eyewear, belts, and shoes. The name is a backronym(sic) for "For Us, By Us", indicating that the product line was produced by black Americans for a primarily black American market.

From your argument, I assume that you have no issue here. It's simply a matter of "black pride", but if it were a product line produced by white Americans for a primarily white American market, you'd be certain that it was a racist organization. You're attributing different motives based on skin color.

1139 Yashmak  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:34:30am

re: #1138 not neo just conservative

If the best you can offer the conversation is trying to attack me on semantics, you can enjoy the silence as you argue with yourself.

1140 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:40:00pm

re: #1136 not neo just conservative

Interesting how you've tried to equate me with holocaust deniers and anti-semites simply because I called bullshit on your definition of racism. Go look back at my comments. I stand by my point, that racism is racism regardless of the perpetrators skin color. You apparently feel that only white people can be racist, which by definition makes you racist. You are judging people by the color of their skin. That is clearly racist. There's no other way to describe it.

I'll pass on trying to explain how ludicrous it is to in effect call me a Nazi since I've been arguing against all racism this entire thread, but I will say that once you start calling people Nazi's for disagreeing with you, you've lost the argument. Go look up Godwin's Law.

What I said was that black people could wear black pride t shirts without being racist, but you'd be damn hard pressed to find a nonracist white person wearing a white pride t shirt, which means that your attempted equivalence of the two t shirt wearing behaviors fails.

Your 'argument against racism' is only a tu quoque, an attempt to give Ann Coulter a pass on her whitewashing of a racist organization, just because 'others do it too.' That logically fallacious crapola won't fly around here. And you still haven't explained your choice of nick.

1141 not neo just conservative  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:32:38pm

re: #1140 Salamantis

1. We keep talking in circles. You keep stating that in general a black person can wear a "black pride" T-shirt without being racist, but that a white person cannot wear a "white pride" T-shirt without being racist. I keep pointing out that you are making a judgment based on skin color which is nothing more than a racially based judgment which is racism. If you don't get it, I can't explain it any more clearly than that. This has become stupid and pointless.

2. I'm willing to bet that before Charles defined the term up above, you'd never heard the term "tu quoque" in your life and only have the haziest idea what it means. I used the term "argumentum ad hominem" later because that's what many of the comments here have become, and that's certainly what yours have become. Rather than address the subject at hand, you accuse me of anti-semitism or holocaust denial. You are attacking the person, not the message.

3. I was posting here long before you came along, so I know what kind of "crappola" flies around here, at least I used to. The people I knew here are mostly gone except for Zombie and Iron Fist and a couple of others. It used to be that you could have a spirited discussion with varying viewpoints without getting pilloried.

4. It's not really any of your business, but "not neo just conservative" is a statement that I hold generally originalist viewpoints to the Constitution, that it is not something 'neo' or new, it is conservatism rooted in the intent of the Founding Fathers and the American spirit.

5. Now that I'm answering personal questions at your request, maybe you can answer a question for me. Are you really a Frickin' Witch? Huh, Joe? Are you?

That's an example of "argumentum ad hominem", which is what you've been doing to me.

1142 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 3:00:32pm

re: #1141 not neo just conservative

1. We keep talking in circles. You keep stating that in general a black person can wear a "black pride" T-shirt without being racist, but that a white person cannot wear a "white pride" T-shirt without being racist. I keep pointing out that you are making a judgment based on skin color which is nothing more than a racially based judgment which is racism. If you don't get it, I can't explain it any more clearly than that. This has become stupid and pointless.

Noticing that different historical circumstances can result in different attitudes is not remotely comparable to considering people inferior based upon their racial classification. I would think that a reasonably intelligent person would be able to understand that. So your charge that I am racist because I recognize those historical circumstances is absurd on its face.

2. I'm willing to bet that before Charles defined the term up above, you'd never heard the term "tu quoque" in your life and only have the haziest idea what it means. I used the term "argumentum ad hominem" later because that's what many of the comments here have become, and that's certainly what yours have become. Rather than address the subject at hand, you accuse me of anti-semitism or holocaust denial. You are attacking the person, not the message.

That's what you get for not reading the articles on my site; if you had, you might have discovered that my ba is in philosophy, as is my major track in my humanities interdisciplinary ma, so of course I know what tu quoque means. And the subject at hand is Ann Coulter's attempts to whitewash a racist organization, an issue from which you relentlessly endeavor to divert attention by the ridiculous expedient of trying to draw a moral and factual equivalence between the wearing of white pride and black pride t shirts, despite the vast connotational differences between a formerly oppressed people trying to feel okay about themselves and a formerly oppressing people pining for the good ole days.

3. I was posting here long before you came along, so I know what kind of "crappola" flies around here, at least I used to. The people I knew here are mostly gone except for Zombie and Iron Fist and a couple of others. It used to be that you could have a spirited discussion with varying viewpoints without getting pilloried.

Your karma indicates that if you DO know what does and does not fly around here, that knowledge has not informed your posting habits.

4. It's not really any of your business, but "not neo just conservative" is a statement that I hold generally originalist viewpoints to the Constitution, that it is not something 'neo' or new, it is conservatism rooted in the intent of the Founding Fathers and the American spirit.

That's a feasible alternative explanation. But note that the US Constitution was the foremost expression of the classical liberalism of its day.

5. Now that I'm answering personal questions at your request, maybe you can answer a question for me. Are you really a Frickin' Witch? Huh, Joe? Are you?

That's an example of "argumentum ad hominem", which is what you've been doing to me.

I've been a Pagan for more than 30 years, as is my right in America, a religiously free country. Since I see nothing wrong with it (or else I wouldn't be one), I do not consider someone mentioning the fact to have engaged in ad hominem, any more than if someone mentions that someone else is a Jew. Now, if one then cited the hadith passage about the trees shouting "there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him", there is cause for concern, as would be the subsequent mention of Exodus 22:18 - "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" - in my case.


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