Ann Coulter and the Council of Conservative Citizens, Part Deux

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Here’s another thread to discuss Ann Coulter’s absolutely indefensible defense of a white supremacist group, since the first one is already approaching a thousand comments.

(And five hate mails so far.)

UPDATE at 2/15/09 8:37:32 pm:

For the record, this is what Ann Coulter wrote:

Republican politicians who had given speeches to a conservative group, the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), were branded sympathizers of white supremacists because some of the directors of the CC had, decades earlier, been leaders of a segregationist group, the Citizen Councils of America, which were founded in 1954. There is no evidence on its web page that the modern incarnation of the CCC supports segregation, though its “Statement of Principles” offers that the organization opposes “forced integration” and “efforts to mix the races of mankind.” But mostly the principles refer to subjects such as a strong national defense, the right to keep and bear arms, the traditional family, and an “America First” trade policy.

Apart from some aggressive reporting on black-on-white crimes — the very crimes that are aggressively hidden by the establishment media — there is little on the CCC website suggesting that the group is a “thinly veiled white supremacist” organization, as the New York Times calls it in one of its more charitable descriptions.

Now that you’ve read that, have a look at the CCC website. (Google it for the link; I’m not going to link to such an extreme hate site.)

Coulter is right about one thing — this is not a “thinly veiled white supremacist” organization, it’s an “out in the open, unapologetic white supremacist” organization.

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1020 comments
1 The Mongoose  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:33pm

That site is seriously referring to Dresden neo-nazis as "patriotic".

I am done with Coulter, after years of reading her books and articles.

2 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:33pm
3 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:50pm

very disappointing

4 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:40:51pm

No "white pride" t-shirts here.

5 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:42:13pm
6 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:42:41pm

all i want is whirled peas

7 screaming_eagle  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:42:55pm

Damn I'm still 100 comments behind on thread.

8 JacksonTn  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:43:34pm

Great Googa Mooga ...dedicated to Ann ...

9 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:43:46pm

re: #6 phoenixgirl

all i want is whirled peas

Que es "whirled"?

10 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:44:23pm

If we don't kick the kooks to the curb, the msm will be sure to hang their albatross-like carcasses around our necks.

11 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:08pm

re: #9 Crimsonfisted

Que es "whirled"?

creamed, whipped

12 Jed 1899  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:45:54pm

Coulter is a nutter.
To put stock in anything she says...well,she a nutter.
And anorexic lookin to boot.

13 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:46:17pm

Just 5 hate mails? Man those folks are seriously slacking out there.

/

14 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:46:29pm

Checking out their photo gallery now. Lots and lots of the confederate battle flag.

Checking out the facebook group next...

15 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:46:35pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

If we don't kick the kooks to the curb, the msm will be sure to hang their albatross-like carcasses around our necks.

Oh, they'll do that anyway!

"Once associated with...."

16 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:46:49pm

Who sends the hate mails? Lizards, or trolls?

17 quickjustice  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:47:04pm

The wackos are out in force on this one!

18 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:47:08pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

If we don't kick the kooks to the curb, the msm will be sure to hang their albatross-like carcasses around our necks.

Sharm, they're gonna do it anyway but at least we can wear the carcasses with pride knowing we did the right thing by kicking them to the curb.

19 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:47:09pm
And five hate mails so far.

Care to share?

20 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:47:10pm

re: #11 phoenixgirl

creamed, whipped

Ah! Such a romantic name. Whirled potates. Whirled Peas.

I have still written off Ann.

21 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:47:37pm

re: #13 BlueCanuck

Just 5 hate mails? Man those folks are seriously slacking out there.

/

No, their handlers restrict the amount of time they interact with the rest of humanity.

22 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:48:01pm

re: #16 tradewind

Who sends the hate mails? Lizards, or trolls?

You actually have to ask that? I hope there's a missing sarc tag.

23 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:48:03pm

Kudos to Charles Johnson for carrying on the Bill Buckley tradition.

24 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:48:17pm

re: #12 Jed 1899

Coulter is a nutter.
To put stock in anything she says...well,she a nutter.
And anorexic lookin to boot.

Ann Coulter is one of the main featured speakers at CPAC.

25 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:48:26pm

re: #17 quickjustice

The wackos are out in force farce on this one!


There.

26 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:49:09pm
27 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:49:34pm

Here's a song for Ann:

28 sanfranciscozionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:49:37pm

re: #24 Charles

Ann Coulter is one of the main featured speakers at CPAC.

Just as well I won't be attending.

29 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:49:39pm

It's funny, my wife picked up her book for me a couple weeks back because she knew I had some of her ealier works. (Back when she was sticking to what she knew: Constitutional Law) I'm using to set my cups and glasses on so my desk doesn't get rings.

30 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:50:20pm

re: #22 CynicalConservative
I wonder why it didn't show up on your screen?

31 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:50:53pm

At least one dramatic exit on the previous thread.

32 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:51:05pm

The denialists for this one will probably hang out in the lower thread and salt it when they think we aren't looking.

33 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:51:24pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

Here's a song for Ann:


Geek rock! :-)

34 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:51:25pm
35 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:51:26pm

re: #18 rightwinger3

Sharm, they're gonna do it anyway but at least we can wear the carcasses with pride knowing we did the right thing by kicking them to the curb.

Carcass Pride!

36 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:51:37pm

re: #24 Charles

Pat Buchanan is also invited, look at the very bottom on the right. [Link: www.cpac.org...]

37 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:51:58pm

I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised by Ann's move here- she's called muslims a term I can't post on LGF.

38 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:51:58pm

Charles, am I allowed to quote from their facebook group?

39 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:52:08pm
40 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:52:44pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

At least one dramatic exit on the previous thread.

Toward the end? Apachesam?

41 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:19pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

At least one dramatic exit on the previous thread.

More like a drama exit, with several rehearsals.

42 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:28pm

re: #29 Thanos

I'm still contemplating what I'm going to do with Spencer's books. I've noticed they are starting to bug me sitting in my bookcase and I doubt I'll ever reread them. They might end up in the recycling bin next time I clean house.

43 JacksonTn  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:41pm

Since it Ann II ...and I have been gone for over a week ...may I ask if anyone has heard from Wyatt Earp ...I saw on the news this evening a police officer in Philly was shot ...I know it was not him as it was a younger person but anyone hear from him? ...so many police in Philly are getting killed ...crazy ..

44 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:53pm

re: #36 MrPaulRevere

Pat Buchanan is also invited, look at the very bottom on the right. [Link: www.cpac.org...]

Sweet Jeebus. I love me some Laura Ingraham, but I have no idea why she lets this fool within a mile of her studios.

45 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:53:56pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

I'm still contemplating what I'm going to do with Spencer's books. I've noticed they are starting to bug me sitting in my bookcase and I doubt I'll ever reread them. They might end up in the recycling bin next time I clean house.

Compost bin.

46 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:54:03pm
47 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:54:03pm

re: #36 MrPaulRevere

Ugh.

48 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:54:13pm

re: #32 Thanos

and salt it when they think we aren't looking.

Should be a revolving title. It struck me funny, is all.

49 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:54:36pm

re: #43 JacksonTn

Since it Ann II ...and I have been gone for over a week ...may I ask if anyone has heard from Wyatt Earp ...I saw on the news this evening a police officer in Philly was shot ...I know it was not him as it was a younger person but anyone hear from him? ...so many police in Philly are getting killed ...crazy ..

He posted in the Spinoffs this am so I think he's ok

50 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:54:40pm

re: #36 MrPaulRevere

Pat Buchanan is also invited, look at the very bottom on the right. [Link: www.cpac.org...]

Good. Lord.

This is why I refused numerous invitations to attend CPAC. The "conservative movement" is apparently in the midst of a massive meltdown.

51 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:55:02pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Or was it a suicide by Stinky?

/his wrench arm must be getting tired this weekend.

52 JacksonTn  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:55:17pm

re: #49 Thanos

He posted in the Spinoffs this am so I think he's ok

Thanos ... thanks ...I think about him every time I hear about something in Philly ...

53 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:55:18pm

re: #43 JacksonTn

Since it Ann II ...and I have been gone for over a week ...may I ask if anyone has heard from Wyatt Earp ...I saw on the news this evening a police officer in Philly was shot ...I know it was not him as it was a younger person but anyone hear from him? ...so many police in Philly are getting killed ...crazy ..

Wyatt's been posting on his blog, so he's ok. The slain officer was in his division, though. :(

54 TheMatrix31  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:55:22pm

LOL @ Obama on halftime of the NBA All-Star Game.

"You can talk a good game, but you're gonna have to back it up."

Oh really, President Zero?

55 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:55:33pm

re: #36 MrPaulRevere

Pat Buchanan is also invited, look at the very bottom on the right. [Link: www.cpac.org...]

That's the trifecta, then. Ann, luaP noR, and possibly Buchanan. I think the last time I identified myself as a conservative was the last time I identify myself as a conservative. I guess I'm just a Republican now (and barely).

56 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:55:40pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Buy a parakeet, and line your bird cage. If it takes 4 sheets to cover the bottom, you have a lot of free cage liner there.

57 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:56:05pm

There are also at least a dozen creationists speaking at CPAC.

58 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:56:13pm
59 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:56:27pm

re: #43 JacksonTn

He's pretty shaken up. He was posting on the overnight thread about it too. Pretty close to where he is located, and he gave more details about the situation.

60 pegcity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:57:21pm

sorry Canadian here but what's CPAC?

61 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:57:22pm

re: #50 Charles

Bay Buchanan is giving a couple speeches.

62 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:58:02pm

re: #57 Charles

There are also at least a dozen creationists speaking at CPAC.

This gets worse and worse. I'm to the point that huffin' paint just ain't doing anything for me anymore.

63 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:58:08pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Bay Buchanan is giving a couple speeches.

OTOH Roy Buchanan is dead....bummer

64 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:58:24pm

You know who I miss? Barbara Olsen.RIP
She was as sharp as a whip..

65 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:58:30pm

re: #60 pegcity

Conservative Political Action Committee

66 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:58:40pm

And we wonder why intellectual moderates have fled the GOP.

67 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:58:42pm
68 Mardukhai  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:58:44pm

CCC appears to be little more than a rebranding of the White Citizens' Councils, itself a sanitized version of the KKK.

CCC, KKK...

69 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:58:47pm

re: #57 Charles

There are also at least a dozen creationists speaking at CPAC.

Good GRIEF! I am really depressed now.

70 nickkyleson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:59:27pm

On an unrelated note, Venezuela just eliminated term limits. Now they can have their own Jr. Castro until he dies, or long after.

71 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:59:31pm
72 Killer Tomato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:59:37pm

(And five hate mails so far.)
What happened to this blog? There used to be tanker pictures every night. Why are you so obsessed with Ann Coulter? How come you delete posts that say "first" first?
///////

73 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:59:39pm

re: #57 Charles

Stephen Baldwin is doing a booksigning at CPAC on Friday.

74 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:59:40pm

re: #64 HoosierHoops

You know who I miss? Barbara Olsen.RIP
She was as sharp as a whip..

I was stuck at work most of the day, but when I got home on 9/11 and found out we'd lost her- I wept.

75 Mardukhai  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:59:54pm

re: #70 nickkyleson

Ick.

76 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 6:59:59pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

And we wonder why intellectual moderates have fled the GOP.

but the dull knives are still here....howdy!...I'm friendly steve!

77 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:00:06pm
78 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:00:18pm

re: #69 Crimsonfisted

Figure there's only a dozen, because they couldn't fit more in. Hey, there's bunches of them out there, forming a line before the next election. That's really depressing.

79 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:00:25pm

re: #50 Charles

Every time I hear Pat B nowdays, he's sitting next to some MSNBC liberal whacko or other. Is he there for window dressing, or has he really gone libnuts?

80 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:00:30pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

At least one dramatic exit on the previous thread.

Actually, two dramatic exits - same comment posted twice.

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:00:31pm

I've decided against it--people do that to LGF.

I will tell you that my favorite topic is: Is Integration a Failure?

You can guess what the answer is.

82 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:00:36pm

re: #24 Charles

Ann Coulter is one of the main featured speakers at CPAC.

As shown to us by you, idiotarianism does not discriminate by religion, creed, color, gender, or sexual orientation (among other things). Of course, the MFM is going to expose every chink in conservatism's armor, but cover for their liberal fellow travelers...

/Sometimes I want to scream, "Jane, stop this crazy thing!" ;-P

83 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:00:44pm

I'm back.

Whad I mith?

84 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:00:44pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Stephen Baldwin is doing a booksigning at CPAC on Friday.

Does he KNOW what these folks represent?

85 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:01:23pm

re: #83 ggt

I'm back.

Whad I mith?


Racism: We're agin it.

86 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:01:32pm

re: #70 nickkyleson

Don't cry for them, Maracaibo.

87 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:01:35pm

Funny how these buttresses of the "conservative movement" (maybe I should call Coulter a "buttrix"?) find such convoluted ways to dissociate those they would claim as allies from stances that might be perceived as just a wee bit smelly by old-line conservatives. Why are they so desperate to claim these groups as brothers-in-arms? Could it be that they themselves are so far gone in hatred that they can't find real allies among people of good will anymore?

They are simply letting the mask slip and showing what it is that truly gets them in rutting mode.

88 sillyquiet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:01:39pm

This kind of splintering is what happens when the so-called 'conservative leadership' in this country aren't conservative nor much in the way of leadership.

89 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:01:49pm

re: #72 Killer Tomato

Charles also hates Christmas. And puppies. Especially puppies.

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90 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:02:48pm

re: #77 phoenixgirl

pill to erase bad memories

The Mood Pill and the Suicide Pill

Suppose for a moment you could feel good by taking a pill. It is a mood pill, and nothing else. It does not have any physical side effects, it just makes you feel good. Surely, it has to be beneficial.

Suppose you could choose another pill, which would also make you feel good, but kill you. It is a suicide pill. Unless you are eager to die, you would not consider it beneficial.

You spurn the suicide pill and take the mood pill daily, and you are always in a good mood. Does that mean you can always handle reality? No, it means that you don’t know if you are handling reality or not. Even if your life is a total disaster, you are in a good mood. Even when you fail to take life-saving action, you are in a good mood.

In other words, the mood pill and the suicide pill are the same pill.

The physical side effects of "uppers" are trivial compared to the real side effect, which is loss of the ability to know how you are doing. Moods are the result of evaluations. A bad mood is the result of a thought: "I’m not handling things." If you kill the thought, the mood is its monument.

To see what emotions are, study yourself in the mirror when you feel angry. Your body is preparing to fight. Emotions are the link between evaluation and action. They are the result of thinking, and the prelude to doing. The irritability of a bad mood is the prelude to pinning blame. The lassitude of a bad mood is the prelude to blaming yourself.

So a bad mood is part of an inner conflict. If you ignore it, or medicate it, the conflict remains as a threat to your thinking ability and therefore to your life. To achieve certainty is to resolve inner conflicts that make you doubt reason. Instead of learning to ignore emotions, you learn to analyze them.

If you have trouble finding the cause of an emotion, try this: when you feel the emotion, study your face in a mirror, and imagine that you see that expression on the face of a character in a TV drama. What would the character be saying?

If bad moods are the result of not handling things, the way to get rid of them would be to learn how to handle things. You would learn to integrate observations into concepts, define them by essentials, compare them to standards, and analyze them for causes. You would learn the methods for turning raw information into certain knowledge.

You would find such activity more addictive than any pill.

91 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:02:55pm

re: #85 EmmmieG

Racism: We're agin it.

Do tell!

92 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:03:30pm

.....update on the hate mail counter? If it's still holding at five, the worst is probably over.

93 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:03:38pm

re: #62 SteveC

This gets worse and worse. I'm to the point that huffin' paint just ain't doing anything for me anymore.

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue...

/Steve McCroskey, Airplane!

94 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:03:40pm

The label of conservative is quickly becoming an anachronism. If its conservative to believe in creationism, count me out. If its conservative to admire freaks like Ann Coulter, count me out.

95 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:03:44pm

re: #70 nickkyleson

On an unrelated note, Venezuela just eliminated term limits. Now they can have their own Jr. Castro until he dies, or long after.

Crappity crap crap crap.

Thanks for bringing the news, sorry as it is.

96 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:03:50pm

re: #83 ggt

I'm back.

Whad I mith?

Whad you what?!?

97 NY Nana  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:04:03pm

Ann Coulter can have her Adam's apple stuffed. I cannot stand her.

/Dear me, I keep forgetting that I am not 'perfected' yet!

98 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:04:04pm
99 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:04:20pm

re: #4 rightwinger3

No "white pride" t-shirts here.

How's about a "Lizard Pride" t-shirt? Put the logo on and sell only to registered lizards.

100 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:04:21pm

re: #81 EmmmieG

I've decided against it--people do that to LGF.

I will tell you that my favorite topic is: Is Integration a Failure?

You can guess what the answer is.

Not according to Wiki.

101 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:04:23pm

re: #77 phoenixgirl

pill to erase bad memories

Saw that. So they supposedly instill a new phobia and the pill lessens the new fear response. Yeah, that's really scientific.

/squeak

102 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:04:24pm

re: #92 tradewind

.....update on the hate mail counter? If it's still holding at five, the worst is probably over.

The way things have been lately, don't count on it...

103 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:04:35pm

re: #92 tradewind

.....update on the hate mail counter? If it's still holding at five, the worst is probably over.

Believe me ... the worst is yet to come.

104 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:04:41pm

all the stuff one can learn here at LGF on any given day...the most amazing factoid I picked up today is that Buzzsawmonkey has never been to Texas...I'm utterly stupidfied...wtf?...can that really be possible?

105 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:05:05pm

re: #87 Cato the Elder

They are simply letting the mask slip and showing what it is that truly gets them in rutting mode.

You are sooooooooo goin' to hell for putting that image in my head!

/Brain Bleach, STAT!

106 sillyquiet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:05:18pm

re: #98 taxfreekiller

Charles,

Michael Steele needs an account here on lgf's, that and lots of help,
he is going to need it.

Now, right wing nuts who read this, who you going to support,,
a sane Republican or one of the Obama commie Democrats.

Ya, like that .

Hey TFK,

I would support the former, but lately haven't seen much of that particular critter.

107 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:05:33pm

re: #85 EmmmieG

Racism: We're agin it.

good to know!

108 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:05:46pm
109 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:05:59pm

re: #12 Jed 1899

Coulter is a nutter.
To put stock in anything she says...well,she a nutter.
And anorexic lookin to boot.

I always knew she was a nutter, I just thought she was OUR kind of nutter not a nazi-loving kind.

110 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:06:03pm

Charles, you know the old saying.... blessed by the quality of your enemies....

111 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:06:41pm

re: #104 albusteve

all the stuff one can learn here at LGF on any given day...the most amazing factoid I picked up today is that Buzzsawmonkey has never been to Texas...I'm utterly stupidfied...wtf?...can that really be possible?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The cab fare is UNBELIEVABLE.

112 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:06:45pm

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Funny how these buttresses of the "conservative movement" (maybe I should call Coulter a "buttrix"?) find such convoluted ways to dissociate those they would claim as allies from stances that might be perceived as just a wee bit smelly by old-line conservatives. Why are they so desperate to claim these groups as brothers-in-arms? Could it be that they themselves are so far gone in hatred that they can't find real allies among people of good will anymore?

They are simply letting the mask slip and showing what it is that truly gets them in rutting mode.



taking a hit from the Alinsky play-book? It's all about getting the votes.

113 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:06:55pm

re: #84 MandyManners

Stephan Baldwin is nuttier that all of them put together....

114 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:07:04pm

re: #94 MrPaulRevere

The label of conservative is quickly becoming an anachronism. If its conservative to believe in creationism, count me out. If its conservative to admire freaks like Ann Coulter, count me out.

I agree. Don't know what to call myself politically anymore. Think I'll just stick with "Lizard" for right now.

115 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:07:37pm

re: #104 albusteve

all the stuff one can learn here at LGF on any given day...the most amazing factoid I picked up today is that Buzzsawmonkey has never been to Texas...I'm utterly stupidfied...wtf?...can that really be possible?

I lived in Texas for 10 years. Not that it matters to anyone.

116 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:10pm

Wouldn't you know it. The Ohio chapter has a link to Jeff Rense. You know that conspiracy site. Rense.com is also carrying that Dresden misinformation/neo-Nazi propaganda.

117 sillyquiet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:17pm

re: #114 Sharmuta

I agree. Don't know what to call myself politically anymore. Think I'll just stick with "Lizard" for right now.

I think 'anti-idiotarian' sums it up nicely.

118 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:21pm
119 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:25pm

re: #94 MrPaulRevere

The label of conservative is quickly becoming an anachronism.

I'm consider myself a Reagan conservative. My Cardiologist is a JFK Democrat. It is amazing how much we agree on things.

120 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:31pm

re: #111 OldLineTexan

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The cab fare is UNBELIEVABLE.

heh...the slicker can't figure out how to get there!...hahaha!...poor Buzz

121 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:53pm

i know this won't be a popular statement but.....as much as i liked ann before this racist stuff, i always was a bit suspect of her since she is a "dead head"...... shoulda listened to my gut.

122 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:08:59pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

I'm still contemplating what I'm going to do with Spencer's books. I've noticed they are starting to bug me sitting in my bookcase and I doubt I'll ever reread them. They might end up in the recycling bin next time I clean house.

EBAY!

123 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:09:23pm

re: #104 albusteve Just you wait...he may even post a little diddy about it!

124 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:09:39pm

re: #111 OldLineTexan

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The cab fare is UNBELIEVABLE.

yo!...that's 62,485$

125 MrC_5150  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:09:40pm

Ann will be on the Bill Cunningham radio show tonight. I think he said during the 2nd hour?

126 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:09:52pm

re: #94 MrPaulRevere

The label of conservative is quickly becoming an anachronism. If its conservative to believe in creationism, count me out. If its conservative to admire freaks like Ann Coulter, count me out.

That's why I use the term "classical liberal" for my political stances. It's time to take back that label from the socialists.

127 mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:09:59pm

Conservative media types are starting to remind me of the lineup of comedians at a Dean martin Celebrity Roast. They all got their own schtick.

I used to read Ann Coulter all the time. Years ago. But in some TV interviews she creeped me out. She doesn't seem like a real person. She doesn't know who she wants to be or who she is. Its all a routine. Shes a weirdo. But now she's obviously come right off the rails and tumbling downhill.

128 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:10:01pm

re: #120 albusteve

heh...the slicker can't figure out how to get there!...hahaha!...poor Buzz

When he gets here, beer and steaks are on me, cigars and whiskey to follow.

129 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:10:33pm

Brown Shirt Annie. The shrill set labeled her that years ago. I guess it proves the old saying about blind squirrels.

130 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:10:49pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

I'm still contemplating what I'm going to do with Spencer's books. I've noticed they are starting to bug me sitting in my bookcase and I doubt I'll ever reread them. They might end up in the recycling bin next time I clean house.

I sold mine to a used book store. I have a Coulter book for them next, though I'm keeping her one on the Clinton impeachment because it's a good reference book.

131 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:11:05pm
132 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:11:21pm

re: #126 Honorary Yooper

Once they've taken it and used it, trust me... you don't want it back.
Some stains can't be removed.

133 GOPninja  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:11:31pm

I would like to see how much hate mail charles gets over this. I cant stand Coulter. The last few weeks have been depressing with this ID crap here in Louisiana, listening to Bill Oreilly talk about how democrats are trying to destroy the "white christian power structure in this country that you and I are apart of" speaking to JOHN MCCAIN. I have no idea wtf is going on, I disagree with this blog often but frankly lgf is right on with alot of things especially id and racism.

134 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:11:41pm

re: #123 UberInfidel67

Just you wait...he may even post a little diddy about it!

hey Buzz...ever heard of the Wright Brothers?

135 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:11:43pm
136 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:11:48pm
137 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:12:09pm
138 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:12:29pm

re: #114 Sharmuta

How about 'realist' or 'rationalist', both work for me. My core principles of strong national defense, strong law enforcement, equal opportunity for all and a belief in self reliance and rugged individualism will never change. Labels come and go. Principles are forever.

139 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:12:38pm

re: #137 buzzsawmonkey

Jeremiah has a brother?

jeremiah was a bullfrog

140 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:13:00pm

re: #50 Charles

Good. Lord.

This is why I refused numerous invitations to attend CPAC. The "conservative movement" is apparently in the midst of a massive meltdown.


Apparently the election of a black man has shorted out some of the, previously thought to be rational, wackier among the movement. They are so affronted by Obama they are shedding their "masks" and revealing the real ones. A good thing, though painful.

141 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:13:16pm

re: #135 buzzsawmonkey
**clap clap clap clap clap clap** I just love how you can do that "on the fly".

142 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:13:40pm

I did dislike it when the MSM was covering the RNC convention in Minnesota and they continuously made comments about the lack of diversity in the RNC, not only about race but age as well. The Left preys on the young people and constituencies. Geeze if blacks what to be GOP, they can be. It is not like anyone is stopping them. I don't like the coverage because it implies that the party is old foggy and racists. My profession is 93% female. It does not mean we are sexist.

143 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:13:48pm

so is Ann now personna non grata around here for her views?

144 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:13:53pm

re: #137 buzzsawmonkey

Jeremiah has a brother?

ah shit...weluvuman!

145 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:14:11pm

Time to pack for a business trip. 'Night all.

146 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:14:18pm

re: #143 Marvo76

so is Ann now personna non grata around here for her views?

Take a wild guess.

147 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:14:35pm

re: #139 phoenixgirl

jeremiah was a bullfrog

I never understood a single thing he said

148 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:14:40pm
149 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:14:41pm
150 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:15:04pm

re: #131 ggt

If you're breeding puppies, you shouldn't object to a commercial license.
Sorry, but I work with a rescue org. for golden retrievers, and there are just too damn many litters of every kind of dog, and not enough owners to take care of them. The lab rescues are bracing themselves after Marley and Me... they are already helplessly overcrowded.
Okay, bracing for hatemail in five...four...three....

151 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:15:06pm

re: #132 tradewind

Once they've taken it and used it, trust me... you don't want it back.
Some stains can't be removed.

Then we need to call the left what it is every time we name them. "Socialists" works just fine for Obama's crew. We call them that, not "the left", not "liberals", not even "progressives", just "socialists" each and every time. Names can stick to others if they are constantly used.

152 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:15:07pm

OT, but no term limits for Chavez. He won.

153 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:15:16pm

re: #148 Iron Fist

And I had liked Coulter. Some fuck-ups are so bad you don't get a "do-over" or a second chance.

i know

154 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:15:21pm

I hope Michael Steele can make the term conservative more appealing rather than appalling in the near term....

155 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:15:31pm

re: #142 Afrocity
You know...I wasn't as "into" politics then as I am now, BUT I really really really hope Lynn Swann runs for Gov of PA again. I would do more to help this time. We really need to get rid of Ed "Speedy" Rendell (D).

156 Jed 1899  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:15:42pm
jeremiah was a bullfrog


He alway's had mighty fine wine!

157 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:15:50pm

re: #126 Honorary Yooper

That's why I use the term "classical liberal" for my political stances. It's time to take back that label from the socialists.

socialists have never been Classical Liberal.

158 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:16:08pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

I couldn't read thru over a thousand posts so just jumped in blind...

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:16:08pm

I've read several of her books... never a hint of racism.

I feel kind of dumb.

160 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:16:10pm

re: #149 thebigolddog

The farther we get from 9/11 the more people revert to who they were on 9/10.

Excuse me? Please elaborate.

161 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:16:10pm

isn't this the wonderful person who said that jews need to be perfected

162 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:16:25pm

re: #149 thebigolddog

What does that have to do with white pride?

163 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:16:32pm

re: #115 Afrocity

I lived in Texas for 10 years. Not that it matters to anyone.

I revere Texas...and I'm a New Mexican

164 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:16:42pm

I wonder how many folks on the right don't seem to understand the damage caused by these nuts. I live in a liberal town and it's an uphill battle trying to get liberals to see another point of view because they think people like Coulter are what republicans are. I've worked with republican candidates who get the door shut in their faces the second "republican" passes their lips because morons like Ann have painted an extreme picture of our side of the aisle. It's not fair, but it's reality.

I'm sick of these kooks ruining our ability to solve serious problems in this country because they taint the electorate against us (with willing help from the mfm). They need to STFU, and they're not going to do it until we make them.

165 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:16:45pm

re: #151 Honorary Yooper

Damn straight skippy.
Socialist works for me. It's only truth in labeling, after all.

166 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:16:59pm

re: #152 capitalist piglet

He's been pushing towards expanding his power with every election and every vote. His thugs have been ruthless in beating down the opposition and limiting the opposition from coalescing, and throwing out the term limits is bad jobu for Venezuelans who are suffering under the yoke of tyranny due to Chavez's socialist designs. He's going to destroy that economy just as surely as every other socialist has done in history; he's going to employ the Mugabe method before long.

167 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:17:02pm

re: #142 Afrocity

I did dislike it when the MSM was covering the RNC convention in Minnesota and they continuously made comments about the lack of diversity in the RNC, not only about race but age as well. The Left preys on the young people and constituencies. Geeze if blacks what to be GOP, they can be. It is not like anyone is stopping them. I don't like the coverage because it implies that the party is old foggy and racists. My profession is 93% female. It does not mean we are sexist.

What the MSM did NOT say is that the RNC actually showed that the party is more like America than the Dems. Percentage wise, it was the same mix of white/ blacks/ latino/ asian that makes up the country. The question un-asked is why the Dem party's make-up is so skewed!

168 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:17:03pm
169 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:17:12pm

re: #148 Iron Fist
I haven't read the article, Is she blatant about it? Or could it be a mistake/unintentioned?

170 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:17:29pm

don't mess with TEXAS!

171 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:17:35pm

re: #149 thebigolddog

The farther we get from 9/11 the more people revert to who they were on 9/10.


right-o good sir. let's goose step our way into 9/12!

172 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:17:48pm

re: #125 MrC_5150

Bill Cunningham is a major idiot. He was pushing the birth certificate nonsense heavily.

173 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:03pm

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've read several of her books... never a hint of racism.

I feel kind of dumb.

I'm sorta in that same fix...we've been burned it seems

174 BLBfootballs  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:17pm

re: #161 spacejesus

isn't this the wonderful person who said that jews need to be perfected

Look, that's basically standard Christian doctrine. It may be impolite... but it's simply a religious belief about people who do not accept Jesus. So long as the belief isn't pursued violently (or too obnoxiously).... I think Americans can let it be.

175 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:27pm

re: #143 Marvo76

so is Ann now personna non grata around here for her views?

If you have to ask that question after the last two threads, there's no hope for you...

176 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:29pm

re: #163 albusteve

I revere Texas...and I'm a New Mexican


As a New Mexican, I hereby cast thee out. Be gone from my state.

177 phoenixgirl  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:30pm

re: #173 albusteve

I'm sorta in that same fix...we've been burned it seems

yep numb here too

178 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:32pm

re: #150 tradewind

If you're breeding puppies, you shouldn't object to a commercial license.
Sorry, but I work with a rescue org. for golden retrievers, and there are just too damn many litters of every kind of dog, and not enough owners to take care of them. The lab rescues are bracing themselves after Marley and Me... they are already helplessly overcrowded.
Okay, bracing for hatemail in five...four...three....

TRADEWIND, those who are irresponsibly breeding will not be affected. Those who don't care about ethics or the law, never will be. It will only hurt the hobby breeder who rarely makes a profit and works to further the breed.

179 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:33pm

re: #169 Marvo76

I haven't read the article, Is she blatant about it? Or could it be a mistake/unintentioned?

You think maybe you should read what I posted before weighing in?

180 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:37pm

Say did anyone happen to notice that after all the rush to cram through the "stimulus" bill, there really is no rush?

I guess those “3.6 million Americans who wake up every day wondering how they are going to pay their bills, stay in their homes and provide for their children” can suffer for four extra days so Obama can have his photo op, after he enjoys his three day weekend in Chicago.

/Emanuel you magnificent bastard!

181 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:38pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

Satt! what up? back on shift?

182 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:39pm

re: #169 Marvo76
I already took a mess of downdings for the same questions before I knew more.. just accept it.
She really is stepping in it this time.

183 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:39pm

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This doesn't come as a surprise to me at all. Her use of racial/ethnic/homophobic slurs and her wish for an all Christian America should have been a tip off.

184 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:18:49pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

Uhm isn't that censorship? why not just let them "speak and remove all doubt" per Mr. clemens?

185 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:19:02pm

re: #168 buzzsawmonkey

Jeremiah Was A Pastor

Jeremiah was a pastor
Had a church that was black
He preached fire and brimstone from his pulpit
And white folks are what he'd attack
And he always had a mighty fine attack....

It's got a good beat and I can dance to it. I give it an 87!

186 GOPninja  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:19:08pm

The only possible explanation I can see is her coming out and saying "I wrote about something I didnt really know alot about...and I just fired my webmaster, I should have been giving him more oversight."

...fail.

187 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:19:18pm

Hate mails from white supremacists? Who knew?

188 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:19:32pm

re: #169 Marvo76

I haven't read the article, Is she blatant about it?


Maybe you should read it. Just a suggestion.

189 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:19:40pm
190 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:19:55pm

re: #187 Dar ul Harb

Hate mails from white supremacists? Who knew?

I didn't think they knew how to write, either.

191 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:00pm

re: #166 lawhawk

If he doesn't have a popular uprising first, I see that coming before anything else

192 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:02pm

re: #110 tradewind

Charles, you know the old saying.... blessed by the quality of your enemies....


That may be what's actually got him down; the quality of the haters is definitely low. Being hated by slug slime is just an irritating bother.

193 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:03pm

re: #165 tradewind

Damn straight skippy.
Socialist works for me. It's only truth in labeling, after all.

"Socialist" isn't the anathema it once was in the public mind. I use "Marxist".

194 yochanan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:13pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Bay Buchanan RAT PUKEANAN is giving a couple speeches.

fixed that for you

195 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:19pm
196 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:25pm

re: #174 BLBfootballs

Look, that's basically standard Christian doctrine. It may be impolite... but it's simply a religious belief about people who do not accept Jesus. So long as the belief isn't pursued violently (or too obnoxiously).... I think Americans can let it be.

oh, it all makes so much more sense now. thanks.

maybe you should try seeing what that comment looks like from a jewish perspective.

197 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:28pm

I need to be perfected! My husband and kids can give you details on just how much.

Did Ann give any specifics as to how we were to achieve perfection?

198 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:28pm

re: #180 Killian Bundy

Obama's in Chicago for one major reason. He's there to kiss Daley's ring. Watch for more trips like this in the future; it's how the system works here in Illinois.

199 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:36pm

re: #176 spacejesus

As a New Mexican, I hereby cast thee out. Be gone from my state.

they invaded us and we kicked their ass...alls forgiven

200 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:41pm

re: #181 HoosierHoops

Satt! what up? back on shift?

Yup. Doing a bunch of "pressers" for NASCAR as we speak.

201 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:54pm

re: #179 Charles

My bad, just jumped on here, will take my downding like a man...

202 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:20:58pm

re: #180 Killian Bundy

Say did anyone happen to notice that after all the rush to cram through the "stimulus" bill, there really is no rush?

I guess those “3.6 million Americans who wake up every day wondering how they are going to pay their bills, stay in their homes and provide for their children” can suffer for four extra days so Obama can have his photo op, after he enjoys his three day weekend in Chicago.

/Emanuel you magnificent bastard!

The rush to pass it through Congress was to avoid any serious debate about the provisions therein and tempering expectations. If it was truly a crisis, Obama would have signed it already, but he's looking for the photo ops and the news coverage that a weekday offers, not passage on a holiday weekend when many folks are away or trying to get their mind off the economy.

203 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:21:05pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Stephan Baldwin is nuttier that all of them put together....



I didn't see any nuttiness but, a lot of big-hearted goofiness.

I was thinking about things such as promoting YEC in schools, promoting racism.

204 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:21:12pm

re: #195 GOPninja

Sunday night are pretty slow, we're only seeing the beginning of this.

205 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:21:15pm

re: #169 Marvo76

I haven't read the article, Is she blatant about it? Or could it be a mistake/unintentioned?

FACEPALM

206 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:21:31pm

Obviously, this is a setup. Someone created the CCC website, lured Coulter over to have a look, invited her to right about them, and then perfidiously changed the content after she was trapped.

Right, Robert?

207 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:21:37pm

re: #196 spacejesus

oh, it all makes so much more sense now. thanks.

maybe you should try seeing what that comment looks like from a jewish perspective.

The irony of that statement coming from you is just overwhelming.

208 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:21:51pm

re: #184 Marvo76

No- it's not censorship. I'm not the government.

209 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:21:55pm

Sixteen cookbooks.

210 BLBfootballs  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:22:00pm

re: #196 spacejesus

oh, it all makes so much more sense now. thanks.

maybe you should try seeing what that comment looks like from a jewish perspective.

Being Jewish, it's not too hard.

211 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:22:00pm

re: #193 ggt

"Socialist" isn't the anathema it once was in the public mind. I use "Marxist".

That works unless you prefer to be Marxist-Lennonist of the Groucho and John variety.

212 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:22:01pm

re: #143 Marvo76

so is Ann now personna non grata around here for her views?

Well the white power types have their own places to go. They can hang out with their own kind. I'm sure they'll be more comfortable there.

Don't know how many of you are old enough to recognise the verbage.

213 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:22:35pm

re: #206 Cato the Elder

Obviously, this is a setup. Someone created the CCC website, lured Coulter over to have a look, invited her to right about them, and then perfidiously changed the content after she was trapped.

Right, Robert?

Now THAT was funny.

214 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:22:38pm

re: #150 tradewind

If you're breeding puppies, you shouldn't object to a commercial license.
Sorry, but I work with a rescue org. for golden retrievers, and there are just too damn many litters of every kind of dog, and not enough owners to take care of them. The lab rescues are bracing themselves after Marley and Me... they are already helplessly overcrowded.
Okay, bracing for hatemail in five...four...three....

That's not the point of the IL bill, TW. It set up well-nigh impossible standard for any dog breeder. It is designed to give the left a club with which to smash dog breeding in my state. If it passes, most people who breed dogs will stop, because of the compliance costs are designed to run them out of business. Welcome to licensing, Chicago style!

215 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:22:42pm

re: #199 albusteve

they invaded us and we kicked their ass...alls forgiven


I will not forgive Texas until they physically move El Paso and Lubbock no less than 800 miles away from the NM border.

216 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:22:46pm

re: #212 swamprat

Well the white power types have their own places to go. They can hang out with their own kind. I'm sure they'll be more comfortable there.

Don't know how many of you are old enough to recognise the verbage.

that would be me!

217 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:22:48pm

re: #116 Gus 802

Wouldn't you know it. The Ohio chapter has a link to Jeff Rense. You know that conspiracy site. Rense.com is also carrying that Dresden misinformation/neo-Nazi propaganda.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

He's fucking nuts. IIRC, he believes in reptilian shape-shifters along with David Icke.

218 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:23:00pm

re: #212 swamprat

recognized....

219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:23:15pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

I didn't say I was surprised. I said I felt dumb. I should have picked up on it.

Just thought her "barbs were worse than her bite".

220 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:23:16pm

re: #191 Marvo76

You would think that the people would rise up, but his thugs have done a good job of controlling the streets and blocking the opposition from unifying in a way that would take him down. It's the same problem that Zimbabwe finds with Mugabe; Mugabe wont let go of his power, even if there are golden parachutes in place. These guys are thugs first and foremost, and will say and do anything to remain in power no matter how destructive and corrosive their politics and economics are.

221 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:23:27pm

re: #206 Cato the Elder

Obviously, this is a setup. Someone created the CCC website, lured Coulter over to have a look, invited her to right about them, and then perfidiously changed the content after she was trapped.

Right, Robert?

You and Charles are not foolin' anyone.
/

222 yochanan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:23:56pm

re: #160 Charles

Excuse me? Please elaborate.

well the whole democrat party has gone back to it's sept 10 view point

223 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:23:59pm

re: #197 EmmmieG

I need to be perfected! My husband and kids can give you details on just how much.

Did Ann give any specifics as to how we were to achieve perfection?

yea..she kind of did..I'd be embarrassed to repeat it..
Ann is like one of those girls when you were young that you thought was the nicest, coolest girl you ever met..only to find out later she was a pole dancer in Vegas...

224 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:24:11pm

re: #210 BLBfootballs

Being Jewish, it's not too hard.


Too bad most Jews don't see it that way though, and find it offensive

225 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:24:20pm

re: #147 OldLineTexan

I never understood a single thing he said


but I helped him drink his wine.

226 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:24:36pm

re: #220 lawhawk

You would think that the people would rise up, but his thugs have done a good job of controlling the streets and blocking the opposition from unifying in a way that would take him down. It's the same problem that Zimbabwe finds with Mugabe; Mugabe wont let go of his power, even if there are golden parachutes in place. These guys are thugs first and foremost, and will say and do anything to remain in power no matter how destructive and corrosive their politics and economics are.

What was it Mao said about the source of power?

227 NY Nana  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:24:45pm

re: #137 buzzsawmonkey

Jeremiah has a brother?

Jeremiah was a bullfrog.

228 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:24:48pm

re: #222 yochanan

well the whole democrat party has gone back to it's sept 10 view point

I thought most of them never left a Sept 10 viewpoint.

229 SteveC  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:24:53pm

re: #217 MandyManners

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

He's fucking nuts. IIRC, he believes in reptilian shape-shifters along with David Icke.

Dad-gum it, Mandy, can't you keep a secret?!?!?! Don't be surprised if your next Lizard Army check gets docked!

230 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:06pm

re: #224 SpaceJesus

And the irony keeps on coming. Bwahahahaha.

231 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:09pm

re: #223 HoosierHoops

yea..she kind of did..I'd be embarrassed to repeat it..
Ann is like one of those girls when you were young that you thought was the nicest, coolest girl you ever met..only to find out later she was a pole dancer in Vegas...

You type that like it's a bad thing!

232 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:17pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Sunday night are pretty slow, we're only seeing the beginning of this.

Looks like a double meltdown. I'll go fire up the grill.

233 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:17pm

re: #200 sattv4u2

Yup. Doing a bunch of "pressers" for NASCAR as we speak.

We went to a great NASCAR party..To bad it got rained out..

234 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:18pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Sunday night are pretty slow, we're only seeing the beginning of this.

Tomorrow's a holiday.
Why did you down ding me?

235 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:25pm

re: #215 SpaceJesus

I will not forgive Texas until they physically move El Paso and Lubbock no less than 800 miles away from the NM border.

kinda harsh?....without Texas we wouldnt exist..respect you elders...Texans are the ones that went to the wall...remember the Alamo

236 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:27pm

re: #226 ggt

What was it Mao said about the source of power?

It flows from the barrel of a gun.

237 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:43pm

re: #57 Charles

There are also at least a dozen creationists speaking at CPAC.

Is Huckabee one of them?

238 MrC_5150  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:53pm

re: #172 MrPaulRevere

Bill Cunningham is a major idiot. He was pushing the birth certificate nonsense heavily.

He's a great American. Just ask him. -- ;-)

239 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:53pm

re: #231 sattv4u2

You type that like it's a bad thing!

My thoughts exactly.

240 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:25:56pm

re: #207 OldLineTexan

The irony of that statement coming from you is just overwhelming.


making fun of Texas for being Texas is one thing, tell Jews they would be perfect if they followed Earth Jesus is another.

241 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:26:01pm

re: #229 SteveC

Dad-gum it, Mandy, can't you keep a secret?!?!?! Don't be surprised if your next Lizard Army check gets docked!

And get assigned to a bunk bed beneath DIA?

242 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:26:08pm

re: #233 HoosierHoops

We went to a great NASCAR party..To bad it got rained out..

the party got rained out/ didn't they have ,, like,, an INDOORS at that house ?!?!?!

243 NY Nana  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:26:25pm

re: #166 lawhawk

And I hope that the Jews that are left in Venezuela seek citizenship elsewhere, and leave Venezuela while they still can.

244 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:26:30pm

For those on the previous thread that wondered about the shamrock and it's use by the Aryans...I found it at this link that someone posted earlier in the thread.

[Link: idahogangs.com...]

245 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:26:33pm

re: #223 HoosierHoops

yea..she kind of did..I'd be embarrassed to repeat it..
Ann is like one of those girls when you were young that you thought was the nicest, coolest girl you ever met..only to find out later she was a pole dancer in Vegas...

Then I would have thought she was the coolest...

246 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:26:41pm

re: #236 MandyManners

It flows from the barrel of a gun.

and in THIS country, who has the power?

247 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:26:59pm

Ok read it, although I didn't read the boook, while there might be some things in there that the CCC have done, cold she have not done her homework ( like me not reading the article) and only commented on certain aspects of the group, or is she in whole hog?

248 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:27:11pm

re: #184 Marvo76

Uhm isn't that censorship? why not just let them "speak and remove all doubt" per Mr. clemens?


They HAVE. She HAS.

249 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:27:16pm

re: #155 UberInfidel67

You know...I wasn't as "into" politics then as I am now, BUT I really really really hope Lynn Swann runs for Gov of PA again. I would do more to help this time. We really need to get rid of Ed "Speedy" Rendell (D).

I think if more blacks come forward and be vocal about their support of the Republican Party then more will follow.

Chicago has the highest taxes and murder rate in the country. What did Obama do for the blacks here? Obama and his crowd are black elites. Status quo Ivy grad. It is really not change. Only the color of the person has changed. Inside he is poseur 'community activist' for the people. Hand a few turkeys out on a street corner for the bruthas.

Really makes my heart sink.

250 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:27:25pm

re: #217 MandyManners

David Icke? For real? Bastard just stole my word.

251 mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:27:26pm

re: #126 Honorary Yooper

That's why I use the term "classical liberal" for my political stances. It's time to take back that label from the socialists.

Thats the term I use as well.

So what happens when the ID crowd, Paulbots, and Coulter's pals get together to take over the GOP. Our electoral system doesn't work for third parties much. Yet I can't see supporting the Dem candidates either. I think the best option is to fight for the party and make the nUtZ go away and start their own.

252 Summer Seale  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:27:27pm

I was just at a conservative podcast show on Second Life, where I'm a well known Republican group member...although I'm fairly well known as the black sheep of the group.

I got really pissed off at one of the topics and I just pretty much had it with the Conservative movement right now. I feel like it's absolutely in the throes of eating their sensible young. Creationism, anti-choice, etc... Anyone who disagrees is a RINO. I've seen it happening on HotAir (I still don't know why I bother commenting there anymore, although Allahpundit's posts are still great - reviled as he is there for his Atheism as well). I see it happening everywhere.

I am displeased. It's like watching an even more repressive Moral Majority ideology taking place. I do not wish to be part of a group which views Theocracy as the salvation to the United States of America. I do not wish to be part of a group which has an extremist form of religious brainwashing as their new foundation. I certainly do not wish to be part of a group which has Ann Coulter and Pat Buchanan as speakers.

253 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:27:45pm

re: #202 lawhawk

The rush to pass it through Congress was to avoid any serious debate about the provisions therein and tempering expectations. If it was truly a crisis, Obama would have signed it already, but he's looking for the photo ops and the news coverage that a weekday offers, not passage on a holiday weekend when many folks are away or trying to get their mind off the economy.

/slow down, you move too fast, you got to make the crisis last

254 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:27:46pm

re: #246 ggt

and in THIS country, who has the power?

Right now? Those who wish to make the Second Amendment moot.

255 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:27:49pm

re: #240 SpaceJesus

making fun of Texas for being Texas is one thing, tell Jews they would be perfect if they followed Earth Jesus is another.

Went over your head, I guess. You must be REALLY short.

Not talking about Texas at all, Mr. Jesus, religious sensitivity and respect expert.

256 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:27:50pm

re: #240 SpaceJesus

making fun of Texas for being Texas is one thing, tell Jews they would be perfect if they followed Earth Jesus is another.

This is a surprise to you? What did you think Christians believed (not about any single group, but about humanity in general)? And why are you trying to make an issue out of it?

257 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:28:26pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy

/slow down, you move too fast, you got to make the crisis last

We need Helen Wheels, we got Helen Thomas.

/oy

258 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:28:36pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

Don't bother, just put them in the freezer along with the rest of them. That's about four today, and I think we had about twenty or so yesterday. If Charles and Stinky weren't so quick I would be putting in a requisition for another couple of crates of green smoke.

259 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:28:37pm

re: #237 Naso Tang

Is Huckabee one of them?

Of course.

260 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:28:39pm

re: #251 mich-again

Thats the term I use as well.

So what happens when the ID crowd, Paulbots, and Coulter's pals get together to take over the GOP. Our electoral system doesn't work for third parties much. Yet I can't see supporting the Dem candidates either. I think the best option is to fight for the party and make the nUtZ go away and start their own.

That's the William F. Buckley, Jr. way of doing things. It actually works as he was able to get rid of some of the nuts.

261 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:28:39pm

re: #178 ggt

Hobby breeders don't work to further the breed, even if they believe that they do. I understand what you mean, as in working towards that genetic ideal, but doing that today really requires more than a dog enthusiast with a fertile bitch and a love for the particular breed. It requires money, lots of time and research, and the ability to travel. When you see an ad that says ' both parents on site'..... you don't want that. (Actually, when you see an ad, you don't want that). It's unlikely that the ideal match for that wonderful female would be living in the same house.
Puppy mills should be shut down. Period. I'm not saying that any law will completely stop them, but this is one area where the democratic saw ' the perfect is the enemy of the good' really does apply.
(Wrong thread for this, sorry, ya'll.... I'm done now).
:)

262 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:29:17pm

re: #242 sattv4u2

the party got rained out/ didn't they have ,, like,, an INDOORS at that house ?!?!?!

The race got rained out..Any good ball on? Can't find anything

263 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:29:19pm

What Ann Coulter needs is a man.

264 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:29:21pm

re: #235 albusteve

kinda harsh?....without Texas we wouldnt exist..respect you elders...Texans are the ones that went to the wall...remember the Alamo


But it was the glorious US military that won my wonderful non-Texan states of Colorado and NM.

Davey Crockett was pretty rad though...makes sense since he wasn't from Texas I guess.

265 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:29:31pm

The referrers list is starting to light up. The Freepers aren't happy.....
Ann Coulter and the Council of Conservative Citizens


I have been suspicious of Johnson and LGF ever since 9/11. He has always seemed profoundly egotistical, arrogant, and unprincipled to me. Lately he has begun to more explicitly reveal his true colors. He hates religion and he hates conservatives. He is poison to our cause.


...

The best thing to do is to go take a look at the CCC website. I just did & it doesn’t look off-putting at first. There is an ad for a white pride t-shirt, but if black pride shirts are okay, there shouldn’t be an issue. I did check out a link to something called the Kinsmen.net. They do appear to be white racists. I read Guilty & found it to be quite enjoyable.


....

Johnson has always been a problem. It just shows how terribly wrongheaded so many Americans are that Johnson deserves and gets so much credit merely for not despising Israel and for understanding that Islam is a threat. Beyond that the man is a real threat to conservatism.

...etc...

266 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:29:36pm

re: #240 SpaceJesus

making fun of Texas for being Texas is one thing, tell Jews they would be perfect if they followed Earth Jesus is another.

making fun of Texas for being Texas is not just one thing...you have a relevance distraction inside that head of yours...pardon me

267 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:30:10pm

re: #252 Summer

I was just at a conservative podcast show on Second Life, where I'm a well known Republican group member...although I'm fairly well known as the black sheep of the group.

I'll let you in on a secret: you're not alone.

268 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:30:12pm

re: #252 Summer

I am displeased. It's like watching an even more repressive Moral Majority ideology taking place.

I've always noticed that the "Moral Majority" is like the Holy Roman Empire. It is neither moral nor a majority.

269 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:30:13pm

re: #234 Sheepdogess

Why did you down ding me?


Which comment?

270 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:30:31pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy

Ah, but grasshopper, if you pass the first bill and it doesn't work within 48 hours, you get to consider porkfest 2, Son of Offal. Twice the pork for twice the price.

So, even when you have the NYT admit that the tax provisions are the part of this bill that would result in immediate tax relief, and happen to be the prime area where Democrats cut corners, they'll cheer lead and cover for Obama who used a shotgun approach to spend on ever pet project anyone ever had hoping that something works just in time for the next election (SS/DD).

271 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:30:33pm

re: #254 Honorary Yooper

Right now? Those who wish to make the Second Amendment moot.

right now, they are trying to push thru a bill in Illinois that would require a $1M liability policy to keep your FOID card active. I asked a cop friend, how many cops he knew who would go to someone's house to confiscate their guns.

He laughed and said he didn't know anyone that would take that call.

272 Jed 1899  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:30:56pm
Is Huckabee one of them?

Of course.

Huckster,Buchanan,Coulter....things is looking bleak for 2010.

273 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:31:13pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy

/slow down, you move too fast, you got to make the crisis last

Well, I'm not feeling groovy.

274 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:31:28pm
If it passes, most people who breed dogs will stop..


Good.

275 mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:31:37pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

Beyond that the man is a real threat to conservatism.

Oooga Boooga!

276 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:31:38pm

re: #262 HoosierHoops

The race got rained out..Any good ball on? Can't find anything

NADA ,,,, I'm wall to wall NASCAR here. Post race interviews, highlight packages ,, etc

277 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:31:39pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

"unprincipled"

That's a laugh. Charles sticking to principles is what the shouting is all about.

278 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:31:49pm

re: #272 Jed 1899

Huckster,Buchanan,Coulter....things is looking bleak for 2010.


Dont forget "the new administration"

279 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:31:55pm

re: #247 Marvo76

She said there's nothing racist on their website. Go and look for yourself. Don't expect people to spoonfeed you information, it's a troll tactic.

280 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:31:56pm

"The best thing to do is to go take a look at the CCC website. I just did & it doesn’t look off-putting at first. There is an ad for a white pride t-shirt, but if black pride shirts are okay, there shouldn’t be an issue. I did check out a link to something called the Kinsmen.net. They do appear to be white racists. I read Guilty & found it to be quite enjoyable"

I gotta ask, would "white pride" be so bad? How about a "white history month" Or a White student union? If they are so bad, then why are they ok with the word "black" in front of them? Or do we owe a penance for our race?

281 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:32:07pm

re: #263 A Kiwi Infidel

What Ann Coulter needs is a man.

...that is attracted to women who look like men.

I know. That was a cheap shot. I sort of apologize.

282 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:32:11pm

re: #229 SteveC

Dad-gum it, Mandy, can't you keep a secret?!?!?! Don't be surprised if your next Lizard Army check gets docked!

Mandy already gave away Thomas Sowell's secret identity. ;)

283 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:32:17pm

re: #255 OldLineTexan

Went over your head, I guess. You must be REALLY short.

Not talking about Texas at all, Mr. Jesus, religious sensitivity and respect expert.

I am very sensitive of other people's religious beliefs

284 Lynn B.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:32:25pm

re: #155 UberInfidel67

You know...I wasn't as "into" politics then as I am now, BUT I really really really hope Lynn Swann runs for Gov of PA again. I would do more to help this time. We really need to get rid of Ed "Speedy" Rendell (D).

Er...um... do you actually live in PA? This is Rendell's second term. He's done after this one, regardless. And if the GOP had run a candidate with a prayer of winning in 2006 (instead of Swann), he wouldn't have had a second term.

So be careful what you wish for.

285 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:32:40pm
286 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:32:47pm

re: #271 ggt

right now, they are trying to push thru a bill in Illinois that would require a $1M liability policy to keep your FOID card active. I asked a cop friend, how many cops he knew who would go to someone's house to confiscate their guns.

He laughed and said he didn't know anyone that would take that call.

Shit, no one can afford a freaking $1 million liability policy. It's time these assholes in the General Assembly learned that they cannot just trash the Constitution and its amendments. Vote every single one of the assholes out in 2010. Let's have a new and fresh start for Illinois.

287 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:32:54pm

re: #280 Marvo76

ok, I'm done with you. Fuck off and be gone.

288 unclassifiable  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:00pm

It seems like there are folks who want to paint Charles as a

... liberal,

... a Nazi,

... a turncoat conservative (RINO),

... a libertarian.

Maybe what we are finding out is that he is...

(wait for it)

an individual.

This country does not need labels as much as it needs strong principaled individuals.

289 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:04pm

re: #246 ggt

and in THIS country, who has the power?

We do.

290 yochanan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:05pm

re: #263 A Kiwi Infidel

What Ann Coulter is a man.

fixed that for you

291 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:10pm

re: #193 ggt

"Socialist" isn't the anathema it once was in the public mind. I use "Marxist".


Everyone should keep in mind that "Communism" hasn't been a major State's political philosophy since 1988. There are folks who have been born and now have children since the USSR last threatened the US with nuclear war and the funding of dozens of "uprisings" and "revolutions" around the world.
Saying 'socialist' or 'communist' or even 'marxist' means nothing to a lot of people. They looked in their wallet and then watched a tv show about rich people in New York and Orange County and said "I want ME some of that".

292 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:14pm

re: #258 BlueCanuck

Don't bother, just put them in the freezer along with the rest of them. That's about four today, and I think we had about twenty or so yesterday. If Charles and Stinky weren't so quick I would be putting in a requisition for another couple of crates of green smoke.

Thank God Charles and Stinky are so fast. Otherwise we'd have cook-offs on our logic artillery, we'd have to fire so fast.

293 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:25pm

The swastika is a simple symbol that was independently conceived by a variety of unconnected cultures (like the circle or the square), and often had benevolent or innocuous meanings such as "life", "peace", "Sun", and so on.

Then the nazi party adopted it, made it the symbol of the third reich, and now it's meaning has been forever and irretrievably changed. The applies to the phrase "white pride".

F*ck those "pride" people, f*ck their enablers, and f*ck their apologists. This "white" dude doesn't need them, nor do I want them.

294 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:29pm

Coulter is off the reservation on the topic of science, too. Pfaugh. No evolution for her. Still, no nation can prosper if it accepts too many immigrants who are not in a position to make a positive contribution. Immigration is not "bad for whites"...it's bad for black, Hispanic, Chinese, anybody here now, unless---unless the immigrant brings some skill that is in short supply here at home.

295 OldLineTexan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:35pm

re: #283 SpaceJesus

I am very sensitive of other people's religious beliefs

Oh, I can tell, I can tell. You carry on, there, chief.

296 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:37pm
297 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:40pm

re: #281 theheat

...that is attracted to women who look like men.

I know. That was a cheap shot. I sort of apologize.

She doesnt look like a man, she is actually quite bedable. The only problem is the voice, the voice, day-yam, that voice............

298 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:50pm

re: #261 tradewind

Hobby breeders don't work to further the breed, even if they believe that they do. I understand what you mean, as in working towards that genetic ideal, but doing that today really requires more than a dog enthusiast with a fertile bitch and a love for the particular breed. It requires money, lots of time and research, and the ability to travel. When you see an ad that says ' both parents on site'..... you don't want that. (Actually, when you see an ad, you don't want that). It's unlikely that the ideal match for that wonderful female would be living in the same house.
Puppy mills should be shut down. Period. I'm not saying that any law will completely stop them, but this is one area where the democratic saw ' the perfect is the enemy of the good' really does apply.
(Wrong thread for this, sorry, ya'll.... I'm done now).
:)

sorry Tradewind, I am heavily involved in my Breed Group and every one of it's members would be shut down by this legislation. People who breed once a year or less if they can't find the right match for their bitch can't afford the restrictions this bill would enforce.

299 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:33:51pm

re: #264 SpaceJesus

But it was the glorious US military that won my wonderful non-Texan states of Colorado and NM.

Davey Crockett was pretty rad though...makes sense since he wasn't from Texas I guess.

and a bigtime fuck you...you are a clueless...what do you have against Texas?

300 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:34:01pm

The best freeper comment so far....

My impression is that anybody who considered CofCC to be a hate site would feel about the same regarding FR.
301 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:34:02pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

The knuckledraggers with the "I [Heart] Eric Robert Rudolph" shirts don't like Charles?! Get outta here!

//

302 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:34:23pm

re: #280 Marvo76

Dig deeper, they have ties to St*** F***t. Think of them as triple K and then reread the same stuff.

/ugly, ugly, ugly.

303 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:34:37pm

I am fairly new to this party. What amazes me if the diversity in political ideology among members of the GOP. Somehow- and I could be way off base on this, but it seems more varied than the DEMS. This is a pleasant surprise to me. A lot of what I heard about GOP was from my DEM mother. Basically GOP is rich, racist, or people who are pretender rich, wasting money on war. Being a child I never questioned it but I did wonder why weren't more blacks GOP. As an adult I had funny views, she thought. Then i met Laura Bush and developed a healthy view of the GOP while I lived in Texas.

304 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:34:43pm

re: #290 yochanan

fixed that for you


bollocks

305 mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:35:00pm

re: #283 SpaceJesus

I am very sensitive of other people's religious beliefs

Not me. I could care less what anyone else thinks. Thats between them and G*.

306 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:35:03pm

re: #280 Marvo76

Alrighty then.

307 songbird  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:35:04pm

re: #297 A Kiwi Infidel

She doesnt look like a man, she is actually quite bedable. The only problem is the voice, the voice, day-yam, that voice............

Blame the large larynx. And a little bit of sanctimoniousness.

308 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:35:27pm

re: #252 Summer

I am displeased. It's like watching an even more repressive Moral Majority ideology taking place. I do not wish to be part of a group which views Theocracy as the salvation to the United States of America. I do not wish to be part of a group which has an extremist form of religious brainwashing as their new foundation. I certainly do not wish to be part of a group which has Ann Coulter and Pat Buchanan as speakers.

It's even worse- they think they can hold the rest of the party hostage by telling us we can't win without them. I'm not interested in being a hostage to people whose demands are so clearly in opposition to my ideals. How am I supposed to work with people when they insist on holding a knife to my back?

309 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:35:32pm
310 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:35:37pm

re: #286 Honorary Yooper

Shit, no one can afford a freaking $1 million liability policy. It's time these assholes in the General Assembly learned that they cannot just trash the Constitution and its amendments. Vote every single one of the assholes out in 2010. Let's have a new and fresh start for Illinois.

Let 'em know in Springfield.

311 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:35:46pm

I watched all of Huckabee's TV show for the first time this evening. About half of was essentially religious in nature regarding personal tragedy, which I by no means mean to diminish, but preaching nevertheless is what it was.

This is really a talented man. Smart and a good speaker and a sense of humor.

Why he cannot understand the universe around him I don't understand, but of course he would say the same about me.

312 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:35:55pm

re: #263 A Kiwi Infidel

No man would have her and she doesn't need a man. She's quite happy alone.

313 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:36:19pm

re: #289 MandyManners

We do.

DING! DING! DING!

314 theheat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:36:22pm

re: #297 A Kiwi Infidel

Adam's apple? A face like a Thoroughbred?

I'm done. I know. It's just snotty. I repent.

315 gopninja  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:36:28pm

ok i see my last comment was deleted, definitely wasnt trying to incite anything. I assume thats why, I hadnt even thought of it in that manner.

316 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:36:34pm

re: #310 ggt

Let 'em know in Springfield.

I intend to. No incumbents for me this time around.

317 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:36:36pm

re: #280 Marvo76

You really gotta catch up with the thread, Marvo.

318 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:36:39pm

re: #299 albusteve

and a bigtime fuck you...you are a clueless...what do you have against Texas?


it's basically the most obnoxious place ever?

319 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:36:39pm

re: #283 SpaceJesus

ROTFLMAO!

320 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:36:45pm

re: #277 jaunte

jaunte - please check your e-mail. thanks

321 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:36:50pm

re: #284 Lynn B.

Yeah I am in PA...when Rendell goes, I want all his trash to go with him. That is what I meant. And I feel it only takes one "Lynn Swann" to perhaps gather the masses necessary.

322 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:37:08pm

re: #291 jcw46

Everyone should keep in mind that "Communism" hasn't been a major State's political philosophy since 1988. There are folks who have been born and now have children since the USSR last threatened the US with nuclear war and the funding of dozens of "uprisings" and "revolutions" around the world.
Saying 'socialist' or 'communist' or even 'marxist' means nothing to a lot of people. They looked in their wallet and then watched a tv show about rich people in New York and Orange County and said "I want ME some of that".

TRUE, I've found that "Marxist" does make people stop talking.

323 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:37:14pm

re: #303 Afrocity

LGF is a pretty moderate blog and there's a lot of variety (although some extremists are excluded). You may not find the same level of diversity in other conservative/Republican circles. As the topic of this thread indicates, racism is alive and well in the Republican party.

324 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:37:37pm

re: #263 A Kiwi Infidel

What Ann Coulter needs is a man.

What she needs is a good going over with a clue-by-four. I just finished this little ditty for the event of these last few days:

(set to the Lizzy Borden doggerel)

Charles and Stinky took their cluebats,
put forty licks on the moonbats.
And when they saw what they had done,
they gave the fascists forty-one!

325 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:37:50pm

re: #320 reine.de.tout

I'm not at work, so I can' reply until tomorrow...

326 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:38:01pm

't

327 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:38:14pm

Charles -

Guess I will have to amend my previous statement on "equal time"/"fairness doctrine" - make it KATIE COURIC and MONICA CROWLEY. Too bad.

-S-

328 Killer Tomato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:38:19pm

re: #308 Sharmuta

I spent today with a L.O.S.T. (left over sixties type) friend and we discussed politics. He feels the Democrat party is destroying the country, doesn’t think a third party is viable, and is not impressed with the Republican party precisely because of these lunatics on the right. They’re killing us.

329 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:38:22pm

re: #184 Marvo76

Uhm isn't that censorship? why not just let them "speak and remove all doubt" per Mr. clemens?

No that's very deserved ridicule, there's a world of difference between the two. And before you extend to "STFU" when someone goes so far beyond the pale it's appropriate for their peers to tell them to STFU.

330 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:38:36pm

re: #287 Killgore Trout

I am just asking why is it ok to declare special things for one race and not another? I don't remember a White congressional caucus either, but remember in about 10 years whites WILL BE A MINORITY behind hispanics. Another thing to remember is outfits' like "LA RAZA" which I am told means leterally "the race" yet they are considered legimate palyers in race relations....I don't know why that would make you mad and it wasn't my intention to do so either...(something tells me I am headed for karma underworld again, but I had to ask)

331 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:38:55pm

re: #303 Afrocity

I think Laura Bush seems like a really nice lady. It was because of her I got into the Harry Potter series. I'll always be thankful to her for that.

332 sixgunsamori  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:39:21pm

I believe I'll hear what Coulter has to say before I pass any judgment. Will Rogers was right: "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see." To have this occur on the heels of leftist hinting at the fairness doctrine is a bit too convenient.

333 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:39:27pm

re: #330 Marvo76

Gaze.

334 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:39:32pm

re: #298 ggt

Okay. I don't want anyone to be picked on unfairly, or go all soapbox on you, which I guess I did....
It's just that I see beautiful purebred pups wasting away in shelter cages every week because there are more of them than there are owners to care for them. A
few hundred thousand born and registered every year in my breed alone, and there are not that many owners .

335 Summer Seale  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:39:54pm

re: #308 Sharmuta

It's even worse- they think they can hold the rest of the party hostage by telling us we can't win without them. I'm not interested in being a hostage to people whose demands are so clearly in opposition to my ideals. How am I supposed to work with people when they insist on holding a knife to my back?

They think they don't need moderates in the party. They blame us for losing this election. They think if less moderates had been attracted to the GOP this election that they would have won.

It doesn't appear as these people understand basic math. Then again, it isn't surprising as they also happen to be, by and large, Creationists. Science doesn't appear to be their forte.

Less votes = victory? I don't really see how that works. Perhaps they might find a biblical passage to justify it somehow if we ask them. Maybe it's somewhere next to the line about Joshua stopping the sun.

336 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:40:01pm

re: #311 Naso Tang

I watched all of Huckabee's TV show for the first time this evening. About half of was essentially religious in nature regarding personal tragedy, which I by no means mean to diminish, but preaching nevertheless is what it was.

This is really a talented man. Smart and a good speaker and a sense of humor.

Why he cannot understand the universe around him I don't understand, but of course he would say the same about me.

Huckabee is a likeable fellow, truly. Still, I question FOX for giving him a show.

337 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:40:13pm

re: #332 sixgunsamori

To have this occur on the heels of leftist hinting at the fairness doctrine is a bit too convenient.


Conspiracy theory?

338 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:40:16pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

I just took a look at the thread, and one of the comments you snipped started this way:

LGF has provided useful links since 9/11 and still does. Johnson has always been a problem.

In summary: LGF is great, if they would only get rid of that Charles guy. ROTFLMAO

339 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:40:24pm

SpaceJesus claims to be sensitive to other peoples religious beliefs...but he is insensitive to other peoples history and tradition...he discounts Texas...he mocks my hero David Crockett...

340 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:40:31pm

re: #317 Dar ul Harb
trying without much success

341 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:40:37pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

The referrers list is starting to light up. The Freepers aren't happy.....
Ann Coulter and the Council of Conservative Citizens

...etc...

The Freepers can go eat a big bag of dicks, especially if they want to get in bed with the likes of the CofCC and other assorted racists and crypto-/neo-Nazis.

342 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:40:38pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

Your middle quote there is the same as the one in #280 below it. Is this guy cutting and pasting in different blogs?

343 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:40:39pm

re: #285 MandyManners

I beat you to the punch on #36

344 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:40:43pm

re: #307 songbird

Blame the large larynx. And a little bit of sanctimoniousness.

Don't forget the man-hands.

345 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:02pm

re: #303 Afrocity
I think the variation within the GOP COULD be a good thing...instead it is like infighting amongst themselves. They need a certain direction in which to take the party. Kinda like too many chiefs, not enough indians. The Dems just blindly follow a plan. Gotta give them credit for their tenacity though. lol lol They got what they wanted now.......so far. *insert evil laugh here*****

346 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:03pm

re: #318 SpaceJesus

it's basically the most obnoxious place ever?

SpaceJesus, IIRC, you still don't have much scar tissue. You may get it on this thread.

347 GOPninja  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:05pm

re: #334 tradewind

Okay. I don't want anyone to be picked on unfairly, or go all soapbox on you, which I guess I did....
It's just that I see beautiful purebred pups wasting away in shelter cages every week because there are more of them than there are owners to care for them. A
few hundred thousand born and registered every year in my breed alone, and there are not that many owners .

I always go straight to the pound and pick up the gentlest pup I can find, I dont really care about the breed, if I have a preference at all its for muts. Although now that Im thinking about it, I wouldnt mind a really lazy beagle right now

348 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:21pm

re: #328 Killer Tomato

I spent today with a L.O.S.T. (left over sixties type) friend and we discussed politics. He feels the Democrat party is destroying the country, doesn’t think a third party is viable, and is not impressed with the Republican party precisely because of these lunatics on the right. They’re killing us.

Exactly! I can't make headway with people here because they think the party is overrun with nuts. Well.... how am I supposed to convince them otherwise when it's true?!

349 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:26pm

re: #270 lawhawk

Ah, but grasshopper, if you pass the first bill and it doesn't work within 48 hours, you get to consider porkfest 2, Son of Offal. Twice the pork for twice the price.

So, even when you have the NYT admit that the tax provisions are the part of this bill that would result in immediate tax relief, and happen to be the prime area where Democrats cut corners, they'll cheer lead and cover for Obama who used a shotgun approach to spend on ever pet project anyone ever had hoping that something works just in time for the next election (SS/DD).

The calls and other correspondence were at least 9/1 against.

/fool me once . . . after already a trillion dollars more of national debt I don't think we're gonna get to fool me twice

350 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:28pm

re: #338 capitalist piglet

It's actually a hilarious thread. Every time I scroll I find a new favorite comment.

351 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:28pm

re: #330 Marvo76

I am just asking why is it ok to declare special things for one race and not another? I don't remember a White congressional caucus either, but remember in about 10 years whites WILL BE A MINORITY behind hispanics. Another thing to remember is outfits' like "LA RAZA" which I am told means leterally "the race" yet they are considered legimate palyers in race relations....I don't know why that would make you mad and it wasn't my intention to do so either...(something tells me I am headed for karma underworld again, but I had to ask)


Becuase one of the races above mentioned was keeping all of the cookies for itself for a couple of...centuries. I'm not a revisionist historian, but you don't need to be one to see that. When one race has been stepped on, the race that has just stopped doing the stepping should be sensitive, even if you personally were not a stepper.

352 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:31pm

re: #247 Marvo76

Any sensible person from the party of Lincoln should be able to visit that site for ten seconds and get an "ICK!" reaction.

353 songbird  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:31pm

re: #318 SpaceJesus

it's basically the most obnoxious place ever?

You don't sound very well travelled.

354 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:37pm

re: #318 SpaceJesus

it's basically the most obnoxious place ever?

you are not well travelled it seems...your attitude is juvenile

355 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:41pm

re: #330 Marvo76

I'm with Kilgore.

GAZE

356 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:52pm

re: #249 Afrocity

I think if more blacks come forward and be vocal about their support of the Republican Party then more will follow.

I can understand the sentiment but I don't think you get the overall sense of despair here. I find it hard to come forward and be vocal about supporting the republican party. Especially after some of the party and their leaders' actions. I am sure I'm going to the court house soon to have my voter registration changed to IND. Why on earth would any person of color wish to expose themselves to ridicule when those of us "privileged" folks wouldn't/won't?

357 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:41:56pm

re: #280 Marvo76

Racism, veiled or not, is the same, no matter who's doing it, IMO.

358 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:42:10pm

re: #330 Marvo76


Please do go on.

359 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:42:12pm

re: #346 ggt

It's only offensive if you take it seriously.

360 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:42:18pm

re: #346 ggt

SpaceJesus, IIRC, you still don't have much scar tissue. You may get it on this thread.

Getting popcorn out

361 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:42:24pm

re: #323 Killgore Trout

LGF is a pretty moderate blog and there's a lot of variety (although some extremists are excluded). You may not find the same level of diversity in other conservative/Republican circles. As the topic of this thread indicates, racism is alive and well in the Republican party.

That's not exactly fair. It would be more accurate to say that there are racists in both parties to the same degree that they exist in the general population.

The republicans generally have the white ones, and the Democrats have a more diverse group of racists.

362 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:42:24pm

Has anyone seen any comment on other blogs linking to this? You just know there has to be some buzz by now.
Sooner or later, it'll get back to Coulter herself, and then we'll have some fun reading the spin.

363 freetoken  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:42:55pm

re: #303 Afrocity

LGF posters as a group has quite an eclectic set of beliefs, political and otherwise.

The GOP proper probably less so, IMO. However, out here in California I think it is safe to say that the CA GOP makeup is rather different on some issues than, say, the OK GOP. There is regional diversity.

The GOP has also suffered a bit from political schizophrenia.... trying to sell itself as supply-sider balanced-budget paleo-conservatives to the electorate, but while in office wildly pumping up the debt like rabid Keynesians.

364 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:43:13pm

re: #331 Sharmuta

I think Laura Bush seems like a really nice lady. It was because of her I got into the Harry Potter series. I'll always be thankful to her for that.

And the strange part was Sharmuta, that I felt guilty for liking her because I was a DEM at the time. This was when she was First Lady of Texas, and she was very kind to me and gave me an interview.

365 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:43:21pm

re: #342 Naso Tang

I forgot to hit reply, just copied and pasted the section of the quote...

366 unclassifiable  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:43:32pm

re: #332 sixgunsamori

I have seen several postings that lead me to believe Charles is dead set against the fairness doctrine.

367 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:43:36pm

re: #342 Naso Tang

Nice catch. Marvo is a Freeper troll.

368 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:43:40pm

re: #334 tradewind

Okay. I don't want anyone to be picked on unfairly, or go all soapbox on you, which I guess I did....
It's just that I see beautiful purebred pups wasting away in shelter cages every week because there are more of them than there are owners to care for them. A
few hundred thousand born and registered every year in my breed alone, and there are not that many owners .

It is a shame, but putting those out of of business those who are ethical will not help the situation.

369 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:43:42pm

I had better go......

catcha

370 BLBfootballs  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:43:48pm

re: #224 SpaceJesus

Too bad most Jews don't see it that way though, and find it offensive

I'm very aware of that. And IMO many of those Jews need to take a breather, take a step back and ponder the context of those statements and that belief for a minute or two. (First off, I'm not even sure that "most Jews don't see it that way" -- though I am certain that most Jewish leftists don't see it that way.)

I don't know how to put it other than: the belief that Jews could "perfect" themselves by accepting Christianity is a standard and early component of Christian doctrine, and has probably become a lot more prominent since the growth of evangelical Protestantism began. Fine.

I don't know why a religious group living in America, subscribing to American laws and the American value system (including liberty and e pluribus unum) should be asked to relinquish their religious belief.

America is not medieval Europe. And American Christianity is very much not European Catholicism. Jewish/Christian relations in America are a striking example of how ideological beliefs can have utterly different outcomes when the context and culture in which they are held changes.

All Ann Coulter is guilty of in that remark is enunciating aloud what millions and millions of decent religious Christians in America believe. You may find those sentiments theologically offensive or uncomfortable, but they're not morally wrong or even improper. Unlike the case in old Europe most of the Americans who hold that belief are the salt of the earth. Their welcoming attitude and respect for Jews and Judaism is just one example of why.

371 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:43:55pm

re: #347 GOPninja
Great post, and good for you.
Lazy beagle=oxymoron.
At least, until you get some age and/or fat on 'em. Born to trot all day.
:)

372 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:43:57pm

re: #318 SpaceJesus

it's basically the most obnoxious place ever?

C'mere closer.

*whack*

373 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:43:58pm

re: #334 tradewind

Okay. I don't want anyone to be picked on unfairly, or go all soapbox on you, which I guess I did....
It's just that I see beautiful purebred pups wasting away in shelter cages every week because there are more of them than there are owners to care for them. A
few hundred thousand born and registered every year in my breed alone, and there are not that many owners .

That's a fair point. Still, the solution to that problem is not to be found in that bill. All it does is that thing that the left does best: Expand government and take away our money and freedom.

374 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:44:04pm

The arguments advanced that we can't afford to be "morally pure" by distancing ourselves from potential allies like the CCC are exactly the same as the ones put forth by the likes of Spencer, Geller, Fitzgerald to explain away their marching in a column with Vlaams Belang, the Sweden Democrats and other fascists.

Here's Hugh on the Cologne affair:

If this Conference is left solely in the hands of those who are not only certifiably "right-wing" but lepenesque, and therefore disreputable, then it is the duty of others, the respectale [sic] anti-Islam legions [sic], not to ignore the Conference or to stay morally pure, but rather to attend, even to swell its numbers, and change its nature, by appearing in force. Show Cologne, show Germany, show the E.U. that one can be just as sweet and liberal and anti-Fascist as all get out, and also want, for those very reasons, a complete halt to Muslim migration to Europe, and a deliberate policy of countering the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa, and demographic conquest -- all over Western Europe, resulting in a greatly diminished Muslim presence in the Lands of the Infidels. This has to be done. It will have to be done now, peacefully, or later, less peacefully. [Hint, hint.] It can't be avoided. It's what's to come. It is not still unsure. But, to quote an old poet, and to appropriate his more traditional use of the carpe-diem imperative, in delay there lies no plenty.

So get cracking.

(Thanks to Medaura for the reference.)

There is no subtlety here: We must ally with those we abhor (so we say) to defeat those we abhor more. March!

And the poor old poet Fitzgerald dragoons into service for this argument in favor of making friends with fascists is none other than Will Shakespeare, from "Twelfth Night":

What is love? 'tis not hereafter;
Present mirth hath present laughter;
What's to come is still unsure:
In delay there lies no plenty;
Then come kiss me, sweet and twenty,
Youth's a stuff will not endure.

A love poem. Poor Will. I doubt the author of "The Moor of Venice" would let Fitzgerald shake his hand, but anything for a veneer of liberal humanity, right, Hugh?

Coulter is just a more transparent, shrill, anorexic Hugh Fitzgerald in drag.

375 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:44:23pm

re: #366 unclassifiable

You could be right.

376 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:44:29pm

re: #335 Summer

They think they don't need moderates in the party. They blame us for losing this election. They think if less moderates had been attracted to the GOP this election that they would have won.

It doesn't appear as these people understand basic math. Then again, it isn't surprising as they also happen to be, by and large, Creationists. Science doesn't appear to be their forte.

Less votes = victory? I don't really see how that works. Perhaps they might find a biblical passage to justify it somehow if we ask them. Maybe it's somewhere next to the line about Joshua stopping the sun.

I suggested a week or two ago these people form a Christian Fundamentalist party and see how well they do if they think they're so damn strong in the party. I think they've decided to hijack the GOP instead, so I don't know. Maybe it's time for a good right-wing moderate to run independently.

377 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:44:40pm

re: #347 GOPninja

I always go straight to the pound and pick up the gentlest pup I can find, I dont really care about the breed, if I have a preference at all its for muts. Although now that Im thinking about it, I wouldnt mind a really lazy beagle right now

oooooh, I love beagles!

378 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:44:48pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

Nice catch. Marvo is a Freeper troll.

I'm tired of him if that makes any difference

379 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:44:54pm

re: #330 Marvo76

Because they are idiots does not excuse Ann, nice try.

380 horse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:44:56pm

The words from Coulter (and some former posters on the other thread) are what have destroyed the Republican brand, and are quickly turning "conservative" into the flip side of "liberal" on the dirty word political coin.

As noted on the other thread, the CCC site was founded by Sam Francis and followers. In his published words he was an old school segregationist/racist. So, it takes seconds to determine the obvious nature of CCC. Coulter really did a very, very bad thing in providing them her support.

Not only is it an utterly defenseless position, it results in fratricide as many on the right instinctively come to her defense. Unfortunately when those who follow her arrive, they find she has set them up on open ground without a foxhole and surrounded by snipers. The blood on the ground is entirely theirs.

381 GOPninja  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:44:59pm

I would say the freepers are losing it, but it would further demonstrate how behind the times I am.

382 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:45:02pm

re: #361 Dar ul Harb

I think that goes without saying. There's also elements of antisemitism on the left and the right, they just manifest themselves differently.

383 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:45:24pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

The referrers list is starting to light up. The Freepers aren't happy.....
Ann Coulter and the Council of Conservative Citizens

...etc...

"rogue yam" has tasted the Stinky stick.

384 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:45:38pm

re: #206 Cato the Elder

Sheesh. Right --> write. PIMFMF!

385 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:45:41pm

re: #280 Marvo76
I will indulge you; read the statement of "principals". (and I use the word principals loosely and only so you'll know what to look for.)

386 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:45:44pm

re: #361 Dar ul Harb

Republicans, PIMF. No slight intended.

387 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:46:25pm

re: #280 Marvo76

I gotta ask, would "white pride" be so bad? How about a "white history month" Or a White student union? If they are so bad, then why are they ok with the word "black" in front of them? Or do we owe a penance for our race?

You got a mouse in your pocket, son?

388 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:46:28pm

Do not trust the pusher robot. Please stand by the stairs.

389 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:47:03pm

re: #345 UberInfidel67

Dems are like your brother that is in rehab. They go straight get clean enough to get a job, then they can't keep it together and you know it will end UGLY. That is what I see for Obama. DEMS usually can't keep it together long enough to be in office for two terms. Clinton was the exception and he almost got impeached.

390 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:47:43pm

re: #379 Thanos

I see what you are getting at, I don't like racists either, but why are conservatives held to the higher standards?

391 Lynn B.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:47:47pm

re: #321 UberInfidel67

Yeah I am in PA...when Rendell goes, I want all his trash to go with him. That is what I meant. And I feel it only takes one "Lynn Swann" to perhaps gather the masses necessary.

Well that would require a rather large dumpster. But I hear you.

Rendell was an excellent mayor (unless you were a union guy) and he made a noticeable difference in the QOL in Philly. But he's sucked as governor from day 1. A Republican candidate with a modicum of charisma and a coherent platform could have clobbered him in 06. Swan wasn't that guy. He still isn't.

As long as the GOP keeps backing candidates like Swann and Toomey and Santorum, PA will keep electing Democrats. That's the point Charles has been trying to make in these posts but some people just don't get it.

392 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:48:00pm

re: #383 Alouette

"rogue yam" has tasted the Stinky stick.

Explains the bitterness. Most of those who have tasted Stinky's banning stick seem bitter. Of course, they made assholes of themselves while here, and continue to do so after the banning.

Good riddance to these assholes.

393 Seaberry  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:48:01pm

We have a new President who spent 20-years as a member of a racist group, in case no one noticed.

394 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:48:05pm

re: #349 Killian Bundy

It's a numbers game. The porkfest passed even with all that sentiment against it. The GOP doesn't have the numbers and unless you're going to convince me that Specter, Collins, and Snowe wont go and vote with the Democrats in the Senate, they'd get any other porkfest passed again. They'd get any program they want passed since they can't get the numbers to block it from passage (not enough to filibuster, and certainly not enough to block a vote when you need a simple majority).

The Democrats will use the economic situation, and the air of desperation to pass whatever they hope to accomplish, regardless of what it actually does to the economy in the long run. These bills are corrosive to the private sector, and strengthen government. It's antithetical to how the nation should operate, and yet the Democrats keep moving further and further to the left.

395 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:48:19pm

re: #330 Marvo76

remember in about 10 years whites WILL BE A MINORITY behind hispanics

Who cares?

396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:48:23pm

G'night folks...Everyone's a bit racist...

-from Avenue Q.

397 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:48:30pm

re: #381 GOPninja

I would say the freepers are losing it, but it would further demonstrate how behind the times I am.

You can't lose what you never had...
/

398 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:48:32pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

Do not trust the pusher robot. Please stand by the stairs.

What is the "Terrible Secret of Space"?

399 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:06pm

re: #389 Afrocity
I can't wait for them to implode....but I fear what it may do to my Country : ( Usually, that brother in rehab destroys PLENTY before things get better.

400 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:07pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

Freeper troll? Uhm Killgore I don't think you know me well enough to call that, but I am gonna look it up in the LGF directory and get back to you...

401 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:11pm

I found a letter written to Time magazine authored by Bob Barr regarding a controversy claiming that he spoke to the CCC.

The following is Bob Barr's words:

REPRESENTATIVE BARR RESPONDS

In his column "Right Back At You," Jack E. White suggested that I am closely associated with the Council of Conservative Citizens, which he described as a "white-supremacist group" [DIVIDING LINE, Feb. 1]. As a former U.S. Attorney who has prosecuted white supremacists and racially motivated police violence, I find this charge offensive and absolutely inaccurate.

The racial views of the C.C.C. are repugnant to me, and I would never have spoken to the group had I known beforehand of its stand. It is absurd and irresponsible for anyone to suggest that one speech--during which I discussed only the impeachment process, as I was asked to do--implies that I in any way share or support the group's view. As the record shows, I don't.

BOB BARR, U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 7th District, Georgia Washington

402 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:14pm

re: #390 Marvo76

I see what you are getting at, I don't like racists either, but why are conservatives held to the higher standards?

Don't you want to have higher standards?

403 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:16pm

re: #293 Slumbering Behemoth

The swastika is a simple symbol that was independently conceived by a variety of unconnected cultures (like the circle or the square), and often had benevolent or innocuous meanings such as "life", "peace", "Sun", and so on.

Then the nazi party adopted it, made it the symbol of the third reich, and now it's meaning has been forever and irretrievably changed. The applies to the phrase "white pride".

F*ck those "pride" people, f*ck their enablers, and f*ck their apologists. This "white" dude doesn't need them, nor do I want them.

YES! Context, context, context. Fair/unfair. It is what it is. Anyone thinking it's ok because "the other side does it" and "it's not FAIR!" Needs to grow up cause they're acting like an 8 yr old.

404 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:18pm

Maybe we should use our bag of tricks and, you know, set them up. We can form a Christian fundamentalist party and steal their base. Bwahahahaha.

405 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:27pm

re: #390 Marvo76

I see what you are getting at, I don't like racists either, but why are conservatives held to the higher standards?

Because bad behaviour is no excuse for other bad behaviour. "We" hold ourselves, police oursleves to that higher standard.
I learned early on from my parents that I couldn;'t get away with something just because "all my freinds" were doing it.

406 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:38pm

re: #383 Alouette

"rogue yam" has tasted the Stinky stick.

This person was banned after posting an over the top hateful comment about the "barbarians swarming across the borders."

407 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:42pm

re: #390 Marvo76

Not buying it.

408 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:46pm

re: #393 Seaberry

We have a new President who spent 20-years as a member of a racist group, in case no one noticed.

We noticed. But how does that help us with the kooks in the Republican party? It doesn't.

409 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:49:49pm

re: #390 Marvo76

I see what you are getting at, I don't like racists either, but why are conservatives held to the higher standards?

Because we openly state that we have them...liberals typically don't.

410 Killer Tomato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:50:01pm

re: #376 Sharmuta

I suggested a week or two ago these people form a Christian Fundamentalist party and see how well they do if they think they're so damn strong in the party. I think they've decided to hijack the GOP instead, so I don't know. Maybe it's time for a good right-wing moderate to run independently.

It's past time for that. Problem is organization and funding. I'm afraid we may be stuck with trying to clean up the GOP. And I don't know if we have enough time for either.

411 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:50:13pm

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

What is the "Terrible Secret of Space"?

Space has a terrible power.

412 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:50:28pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

I think that goes without saying. There's also elements of antisemitism on the left and the right, they just manifest themselves differently.

What's also becoming readily apparent is that some of the same people from the racist orgs are working both ends of the political spectrum. Right and Left doesn't matter to tribal supremacists.

413 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:50:53pm

Having standards means that you don't look around at everyone else that's cheating and whine that life isn't fair.

414 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:51:24pm

re: #393 Seaberry

We noticed, Charles had several articles on that topic, is your point that this somehow excuses racism in the Republican party?

It does not.

415 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:51:34pm

re: #402 jaunte

Yes, but I also want a level playing field (wishful thinking I know)

416 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:51:44pm

re: #390 Marvo76

I see what you are getting at, I don't like racists either, but why are conservatives held to the higher standards?

If for no other reason: Because we don't have the MSM running cover for us. And further, that higher standard is the one where honorable people should want to be. We are charged with maintaining standards that the left seeks to destroy; No one ever said the task would be easy or fair, just that it must be done.

417 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:51:58pm

re: #303 Afrocity

I am fairly new to this party. What amazes me if the diversity in political ideology among members of the GOP. Somehow- and I could be way off base on this, but it seems more varied than the DEMS. This is a pleasant surprise to me. A lot of what I heard about GOP was from my DEM mother. Basically GOP is rich, racist, or people who are pretender rich, wasting money on war. Being a child I never questioned it but I did wonder why weren't more blacks GOP. As an adult I had funny views, she thought. Then i met Laura Bush and developed a healthy view of the GOP while I lived in Texas.

Afrocity -

Consider yourself to be in good company as a general rule. Party Members have included Jackie Robinson and Martin Luther King, Jr. as I am sure you are aware. As a recent "convert" I am also aware of a story involving "Daddy King" while Martin was in the Birmingham, AL jail. Story was that he had a pile of votes to give to whoever got Martin out. Nixon didn't bite, Kennedy did - the rest is history.

-S-

418 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:52:08pm

ADL Report on CCC

By appealing to widespread resentments and successfully attracting prominent conservatives, the Council of Conservative Citizens has been able to recruit numbers of relatively moderate individuals into an organization that maintains strong connections with extremists. Its record demonstrates that CCC has not tried to break away from its racist antecedents. Instead, it has adopted not only its predecessor's racial attitudes but also its strategies, deriving from them the tools to advance a racist agenda from the grassroots to the senior levels of American government.

419 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:52:17pm

re: #406 Charles

This person was banned after posting an over the top hateful comment about the "barbarians swarming across the borders."

Theres a shortage of BARBARS in the country!?!?!?!

Oh ,, wait ,,, BARBARIANS ,,,,,, damn I need new reading glasses!

//

420 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:52:18pm

re: #405 sattv4u2

Because bad behaviour is no excuse for other bad behaviour. "We" hold ourselves, police oursleves to that higher standard.
I learned early on from my parents that I couldn;'t get away with something just because "all my freinds" were doing it.

I'm not sure it's that one side is held to higher standards, so much as the other side is the "victim" of the "bigotry of low expectations."

How's that for government speak.

421 Summer Seale  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:52:25pm

re: #376 Sharmuta

I suggested a week or two ago these people form a Christian Fundamentalist party and see how well they do if they think they're so damn strong in the party. I think they've decided to hijack the GOP instead, so I don't know. Maybe it's time for a good right-wing moderate to run independently.

I agree and I've been suggesting that as well. If this meltdown continues, maybe that will happen. However, I have my doubts. The American system is so wedded to two parties that it is now almost impossible to conceive of somebody even having a remote chance of winning anything outside of either one - apart from in a New England state or something.

And after reading comments at FR just now about Charles, it appears that we're in the midst of another huge fight which we've had a few years ago starting with the Eurofacists. This time, it looks like it could be even bigger. Seriously, I feel like it's coming to a head this very moment and may continue for some time.

422 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:52:37pm

re: #408 Bloodnok

We noticed. But how does that help us with the kooks in the Republican party? It doesn't.

It's amazing that people somehow think that since the msm helps the left get away with it, that it means we should be able to get away with it too. First- the msm will never play fair with us. Second- why would we want to lower ourselves to emulate the left?! If we think we're a better party than they are, we should have standards that reflect that.

423 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:52:44pm

re: #407 swamprat


seroiusly, what is a freeper, I can't find the link to the lexicon, someone had it the other night now I can't find it...

424 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:53:00pm

re: #411 Bloodnok

Space has a terrible power.

It's cold in Space and no one can hear you scream.

425 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:53:01pm

re: #393 Seaberry

We have a new President who spent 20-years as a member of a racist group, in case no one noticed.

And I posted dozens of articles exposing that, in case YOU didn't notice.

426 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:53:18pm

re: #412 Thanos

What's also becoming readily apparent is that some of the same people from the racist orgs are working both ends of the political spectrum. Right and Left doesn't matter to tribal supremacists.

yep!

427 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:53:26pm

re: #356 jcw46

I can understand the sentiment but I don't think you get the overall sense of despair here. I find it hard to come forward and be vocal about supporting the republican party. Especially after some of the party and their leaders' actions. I am sure I'm going to the court house soon to have my voter registration changed to IND. Why on earth would any person of color wish to expose themselves to ridicule when those of us "privileged" folks wouldn't/won't?

I am just basically happy to have a home here at LGF. I don't think your register in Illinois. So i am really nothing. I am not ever voting DEM again. I know that.

I was telling a Republican that I found a blog home at LGF and they were disappointed and said they hate LGF and Red State is better. I did not care but it did make me go sheesh for a moment because the GOP seems to have so many strong opinions on who is the best conservative. That never really happened that much in the DNC camp.

428 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:53:31pm

re: #149 thebigolddog

The farther we get from 9/11 the more people revert to who they were on 9/10.

9-11 didn't make folks racist, sexist, homophobic, or anti-science. Those characteristics fit the terror fliers.

429 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:53:39pm

re: #394 lawhawk

Yes, and that is why it is so important that the GOP reps and senators stick to their guns, so to speak, and not compromise any more. Spectre*, Collins, and Snow (oh my!) are all RINOs anyway, so forget them, but when this spendulus tanks the economy even further and throws us into more chaos, it needs to be clearly labeled ' Product of the Democrats' .

430 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:53:40pm

re: #391 Lynn B.
I honestly blame democratic voter fraud for keeping him in office. Maybe the time was not right for "PAs First Black Governor"....It may be time now. Maybe not Swann but I am sure there are others. It's really funny too with the AA numbers and muslim communities in Philly that Swanny didn't do better. They all considered him an "Uncle Tom".

I just want to see who we bring forth next. Wipe this crud out of my state.

431 rjschwarz  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:53:46pm

The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. I applaud Charles on calling racists and those who support them on their bull$hit and rejecting any association with them filth. Better to keep your soul than victory at that cost.

432 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:53:53pm

re: #404 Sharmuta

Maybe we should use our bag of tricks and, you know, set them up. We can form a Christian fundamentalist party and steal their base. Bwahahahaha.

Should we then say: "All your base are belong to us!"

433 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:55:21pm

re: #318 SpaceJesus

it's basically the most obnoxious place ever?

I'm glad you feel that way SJ. We won't expect you back anytime soon.

After reading your comments the last few days I would guess the most obnoxious place ever follows you constantly.

Please stop using our oxygen and bandwidth.

434 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:55:31pm

Gotta go. Be back in an hour. Off to work.

435 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:56:14pm
436 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:56:20pm

re: #432 Dark_Falcon

Should we then say: "All your basechocolate are belong to us!"

I just like it better that way.

437 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:56:29pm

re: #433 jorline

Again, consider the nic.
Bad taste, even if you don't consider it sacrilege.

438 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:56:47pm

re: #413 jaunte

Having standards means that you don't look around at everyone else that's cheating and whine that life isn't fair.

Quite right. You are content enough that you are doing things the right way.

I know this isn't necessarily the point you were making but this kind of thinking is why a chant of "the MSM won't let us win!" isn't helping. We know what they (the MSM) are. It's a fact. We have to find ways around it. OR we have to field candidates who are beyond reproach, even if the other side doesn't have to. All the more reason to drum the kooks OUT of the party.

439 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:57:04pm

Charles, you have really struck a nerve here. I am disappointed to say Steve Gilbert at sweetness-light has chosen to attack you over this.

440 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:57:21pm

I think FreeRepublic just crashed.

441 Summer Seale  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:57:22pm

re: #393 Seaberry

We have a new President who spent 20-years as a member of a racist group, in case no one noticed.

Yea, ummm....did you notice any pro-Obama fanfare on the front page of LGF during the election? Cuz...I didn't.

Two wrongs don't make a right. It is bad that Obama was a member of that group, and it is bad that Ann Coulter is defending the CCC. Bad is bad, even if it is perpetrated by one of your friends.

And this isn't the only extremely disgusting thing that Ann Coulter has said over the years. Wake the fuck up, please.

442 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:57:37pm

Time to go....be nice...play nice...see ya'll on the flip side (tomorrow) lol I will be dreaming of my cookbook!

Peace

443 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:57:42pm

re: #393 Seaberry

We have a new President who spent 20-years as a member of a racist group, in case no one noticed.

No shit? Are you kiddin me? Do tell.

444 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:57:49pm

re: #399 UberInfidel67

I can't wait for them to implode....but I fear what it may do to my Country : ( Usually, that brother in rehab destroys PLENTY before things get better.

And steals things too...I bet there are cartons of cigarettes under Lincoln's bed.

445 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:58:03pm

re: #184 Marvo76

Uhm isn't that censorship? why not just let them "speak and remove all doubt" per Mr. clemens?

Sure; let 'em speak. This is America, after all. But make damned sure that every time they try to call themselves Republicans or conservatives, that a chorus of voices is raised loud and clear from Republicans and conservatives that "we do not claim you, and we reject your claim of us."

446 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:58:05pm

re: #422 Sharmuta

It's amazing that people somehow think that since the msm helps the left get away with it, that it means we should be able to get away with it too. First- the msm will never play fair with us. Second- why would we want to lower ourselves to emulate the left?! If we think we're a better party than they are, we should have standards that reflect that.

Ha! Just read your post after I posted my next one. GMTA.

447 unclassifiable  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:58:13pm

If any here thought that the GOP was going to morph into the Christian Caucasian Conservative Party without a fight then they are dead wrong comrade.

448 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:58:14pm

re: #410 Killer Tomato

re: #421 Summer

I just want to cry. For weeks I begged people to get involved locally with the party because it's starts at the lowest levels of the base, but I have to say- I don't think many on the right want to take the time to do the hard work that's needed to correct this ship. And that's why I've been depressed about this lately. I don't know if it's because the right leans more towards individualism that it's hard to organize such people, or what. But until rational people jump into the trenches, we're going to continue to have these problems.

449 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:58:28pm

re: #394 lawhawk

And we can't pay for any of it. This will become evident soon, and they accused Bush of doubling the national debt? We're talking in trillions now and that adds up really fast.

/Obama's on a screaming debt rampage of proportions never before seen in world history

450 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:58:37pm

re: #280 Marvo76

"The best thing to do is to go take a look at the CCC website. I just did & it doesn’t look off-putting at first. There is an ad for a white pride t-shirt, but if black pride shirts are okay, there shouldn’t be an issue. I did check out a link to something called the Kinsmen.net. They do appear to be white racists. I read Guilty & found it to be quite enjoyable"

I gotta ask, would "white pride" be so bad? How about a "white history month" Or a White student union? If they are so bad, then why are they ok with the word "black" in front of them? Or do we owe a penance for our race?

That is probably western civ month. As close as it can get. It might be nice to use the months to honor the ethinc groups that make up America. An Hispanic Month, A Chinese month, An American Indian month. Oh yah maybe a Canadian month just to make them feel better.

451 UberInfidel67  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:58:43pm

re: #444 Afrocity
LOL good one ; )

452 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:58:43pm

re: #439 MrPaulRevere

Yeah, I was just reading that.

453 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:58:49pm

re: #433 jorline

I'm glad you feel that way SJ. We won't expect you back anytime soon.

After reading your comments the last few days I would guess the most obnoxious place ever follows you constantly.

Please stop using our oxygen and bandwidth.

he has no clue...anybody that mocks Crockett is not allowed in my realm....

454 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:59:00pm

re: #439 MrPaulRevere

Charles, you have really struck a nerve here. I am disappointed to say Steve Gilbert at sweetness-light has chosen to attack you over this.

There's a personal connection there.

455 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:59:11pm

re: #427 Afrocity

Tell your friend I said they can kiss my Smurftastic ass.

456 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:59:11pm

re: #370 BLBfootballs

I'm very aware of that. And IMO many of those Jews need to take a breather, take a step back and ponder the context of those statements and that belief for a minute or two. (First off, I'm not even sure that "most Jews don't see it that way" -- though I am certain that most Jewish leftists don't see it that way.)

I don't know how to put it other than: the belief that Jews could "perfect" themselves by accepting Christianity is a standard and early component of Christian doctrine, and has probably become a lot more prominent since the growth of evangelical Protestantism began. Fine.

I don't know why a religious group living in America, subscribing to American laws and the American value system (including liberty and e pluribus unum) should be asked to relinquish their religious belief.

America is not medieval Europe. And American Christianity is very much not European Catholicism. Jewish/Christian relations in America are a striking example of how ideological beliefs can have utterly different outcomes when the context and culture in which they are held changes.

All Ann Coulter is guilty of in that remark is enunciating aloud what millions and millions of decent religious Christians in America believe. You may find those sentiments theologically offensive or uncomfortable, but they're not morally wrong or even improper. Unlike the case in old Europe most of the Americans who hold that belief are the salt of the earth. Their welcoming attitude and respect for Jews and Judaism is just one example of why.

No one is asking Protestants to change their beliefs. Ann Coulter is still a loudmouth bigot.

You about to step up for the folks who sincerely believe that all human beings are destined to be Muslims?

457 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:59:40pm

re: #423 Marvo76

seroiusly, what is a freeper, I can't find the link to the lexicon, someone had it the other night now I can't find it...

No idea. Wrong commenter...I just suspect you of being a racist.

458 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 7:59:48pm

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Steve has done some great work in the past, this is a huge disappointment.

459 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:00:15pm

re: #427 Afrocity

I am just basically happy to have a home here at LGF. I don't think your register in Illinois. So i am really nothing. I am not ever voting DEM again. I know that.

I was telling a Republican that I found a blog home at LGF and they were disappointed and said they hate LGF and Red State is better. I did not care but it did make me go sheesh for a moment because the GOP seems to have so many strong opinions on who is the best conservative. That never really happened that much in the DNC camp.

Welcome to the party and LGF, Afrocity.

//It's safe to come back to Texas now...SpaceJesus won't be coming back.

460 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:00:43pm

re: #439 MrPaulRevere

Charles, you have really struck a nerve here. I am disappointed to say Steve Gilbert at sweetness-light has chosen to attack you over this.

He's been pissed at Charles for awhile now, I believe.

461 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:00:44pm

Coulter began to get my version of the "steely eyeball" back when she said that she wanted to "perfect the Jews". At the time I thought I understood what I thought she meant but knew this was not an intelligent thing to say. After the last 500-700 years, Christians should speak softly and with large amounts of consideration and compassion when referring to any thing to do with religion. Her willingness to make this statement was to me:
1. an outright ploy for headlines.
2. Injudicious regardless of the reasons.
3. Arrogant.
4. Monumentally stupid.

She only had about 2 nerves left with me and she jumped on both of them with these recent revelations. I don't like it that you had to do it Charles but (you know how you feel when you get that IRS letter in the mail -- you're not too happy with the mailman) thanks for bringing this up. But for my reading here, I wouldn't know this and ignorance is NOT bliss.

462 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:00:44pm

re: #429 tradewind

Yes, and that is why it is so important that the GOP reps and senators stick to their guns, so to speak, and not compromise any more. Spectre*, Collins, and Snow (oh my!) are all RINOs anyway, so forget them, but when this spendulus tanks the economy even further and throws us into more chaos, it needs to be clearly labeled ' Product of the Democrats' .

That can probably get done. We did stay together enough to do that. Now, we must keep up the pressure. If anyone grips about an Obama failure related to the spendulus, make sure to remind them it was a Democratic bill. If they are a moderate, you might push them in our direction. And if they are a liberal, you'll get to annoy them, and that's just good, clean, fun. >:)

463 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:00:53pm

re: #440 capitalist piglet

I think FreeRepublic just crashed.

And burned. Mind if I get my marshmallows?

464 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:00:53pm

re: #450 hazzyday

Or why not just an "american" heritage month and nO race designation AT ALL? (that is what I am getting at)

465 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:00:57pm

re: #439 MrPaulRevere

That's a lot of words from Steve Gilbert for a Tu Quoque. Racism on the part of O's preacher doesn't excuse the CCC sponsoring racism.

466 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:01:03pm

re: #390 Marvo76

I see what you are getting at, I don't like racists either, but why are conservatives held to the higher standards?

That is stupid. You want to be held to a lower standard?

467 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:01:14pm

re: #458 MrPaulRevere

I'm still digesting his response. Not looking good so far.

468 Seaberry  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:01:43pm

re: #425 Charles

And I posted dozens of articles exposing that, in case YOU didn't notice.

I probably missed most of them. Anyway, I'm more concerned with having a President who spent 20-years with a racist group - since I never read or watch Ann Coulter - and Republicans will be called racists whether they are or not.

469 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:02:01pm

re: #464 Marvo76

Or why not just an "american" heritage month and nO race designation AT ALL? (that is what I am getting at)

Would you be open to taking advice from an old guy ? (me) !?!?!

When you're in a hole ,,, STOP DIGGING!

470 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:02:11pm

re: #460 Sharmuta

I wasn't aware of that. Whats the background?

471 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:02:27pm

re: #459 jorline

Welcome to the party and LGF, Afrocity.

//It's safe to come back to Texas now...SpaceJesus won't be coming back.

says who?..that guy is no patriot

472 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:02:35pm
473 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:02:48pm

re: #457 swamprat

sorry, but no I am not a racist. I don't claim any person is better or worse except in how they treat me. I wrote a deal once on "I hate but I am not a racist" If you would like to read it I will post it here...

474 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:02:53pm

re: #439 MrPaulRevere

Charles, you have really struck a nerve here. I am disappointed to say Steve Gilbert at sweetness-light has chosen to attack you over this.

Steve Gilbert sent me several completely insane, abusive emails full of threats and rage during the campaign, accusing me of stealing his posts without credit -- which I did not do.

Just for the record. The guy is whacked out.

475 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:03:20pm

re: #466 Naso Tang

nope, the same standard

476 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:03:40pm

The CCC uses the old fashioned n-word in their newsletters for Christ's sake. Neg*o. In their newsletters. And they don't see a problem with that? They want to associate with a group with ties to the Jim Crow days. One that has ties with the South of George Wallace, pre-segregation, and so on.

Is that not enough? It's not enough that they're also apologists for the neo-Nazi groups protesting in Dresden over the weekend?

Here's a Google search that should shed some more light on these punks.

Charles. If you think that link is inappropriate go ahead and delete it.

477 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:04:00pm

re: #469 sattv4u2

Ok, thanks I think

478 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:04:09pm

re: #468 Seaberry

I probably missed most of them. Anyway, I'm more concerned with having a President who spent 20-years with a racist group - since I never read or watch Ann Coulter - and Republicans will be called racists whether they are or not.

Really? You missed most of them, but still felt it appropriate to come in here and blast away, in sheer ignorance? Isn't that special.

479 Summer Seale  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:04:12pm

re: #448 Sharmuta

re: #421 Summer

I just want to cry. For weeks I begged people to get involved locally with the party because it's starts at the lowest levels of the base, but I have to say- I don't think many on the right want to take the time to do the hard work that's needed to correct this ship. And that's why I've been depressed about this lately. I don't know if it's because the right leans more towards individualism that it's hard to organize such people, or what. But until rational people jump into the trenches, we're going to continue to have these problems.

I agree, but I think it's beyond help right now. I think Charles is right when he said above that the Conservative movement is in full meltdown mode. I believe, at this point, that the hardcore Conservatives will chase everyone out of the party or alienate them into silence, and they will have that new hardcore Conservative movement running the party. It will take a while to erode that, or the movement will simply fail and die a very nasty death during the next election.

Meanwhile, I don't know where moderates like ourselves, 9/11 liberals some of us, will go to express our political will. I can't think of any alternatives right now. I'm certainly not going to join up the Kossaks of the Democratic party, so I guess I'm stuck just feeling depressed for a while.

An economic depression and a political one to boot...is there anything more coming my way?

Oh yes, I forgot: Iran. Well, maybe it's time to start enjoying wine a little more than usual or something.

480 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:04:41pm

re: #464 Marvo76

Or why not just an "american" heritage month and nO race designation AT ALL? (that is what I am getting at)

Carefully examine the standards for U.S. History in any state of your choosing, then come see me, and we'll do some lesson planning.

Were you scared by a Crispus Attucks poster in your childhood or something?

481 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:04:49pm

re: #280 Marvo76

"The best thing to do is to go take a look at the CCC website. I just did & it doesn’t look off-putting at first. There is an ad for a white pride t-shirt, but if black pride shirts are okay, there shouldn’t be an issue. I did check out a link to something called the Kinsmen.net. They do appear to be white racists. I read Guilty & found it to be quite enjoyable"

I gotta ask, would "white pride" be so bad? How about a "white history month" Or a White student union? If they are so bad, then why are they ok with the word "black" in front of them? Or do we owe a penance for our race?

First, find me some folks wearing white pride t shirts who don't idolize Don Black or David Duke.

482 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:04:54pm

Feel less.
Think More.

483 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:05:16pm

re: #468 Seaberry

I probably missed most of them. Anyway, I'm more concerned with having a President who spent 20-years with a racist group - since I never read or watch Ann Coulter - and Republicans will be called racists whether they are or not.

So- we should allow the msm's accusations of racism to be true...? How would that help win us elections?

484 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:05:25pm

re: #472 Iron Fist

Technical point: Clinton was impeached. Impeachment is about bringing charges against the President (in this case). It is the Senate where the President must then be convicted of those charges, in order to remove the President from office.

It would be up to a number of prosecutors in various districts that would then decide to bring formal criminal charges against the now-disgraced ex-President.

it's hard to believe this monumental experience is lost to people....already

485 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:05:33pm

re: #475 Marvo76

nope, the same standard

Same thing. If you don't want it higher, it must be the lowest common denominator.

Stupid.

486 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:05:44pm

re: #475 Marvo76

nope, the same standard

That's not going to happen. The MSM will cover for the Dems in a way we won't get. We have to hew to a higher standard or fail. It is not fair, but that is the way things are.

487 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:05:46pm

re: #471 albusteve

says who?..that guy is no patriot

SJ tried to cross the Texas border this morning...and look what happened.

Texans report fireball in sky, sonic booms

488 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:05:47pm

re: #463 Honorary Yooper

And burned. Mind if I get my marshmallows?

It's back...but I've heard they're good cold.

489 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:05:55pm

re: #472 Iron Fist

Stupid flub on my part. I just told my aunt the same thing the other day when she said he was not impeached. I mean Clinton nearly got booted ...like really booted. Like Blago booted.

490 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:06:11pm

re: #474 Charles

I've noticed that when you BBQ people's sacred cows for their beef brisket, they tend to go insane. Creationism is a sacred cow to some, the eurofascists are a sacred cow to others. Yet, time and time again, people need to learn that sacred cows need to be BBQ'd, and will be BBQ'd here.

Keep up the good work, Charles. There are those here who stand behind you on this.

491 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:07:14pm

re: #481 Salamantis

good point

492 sprucepinehollow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:07:21pm

re: #418 Gus 802

I just read through the CCC Statement of Principles. The place is poison. According to ADL.org the CCC is a successor to the White Citizens Council of the 50's and 60's

493 yesandno  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:07:24pm

Used to be that the enemy of my friend was my enemy.

Now the friend of my friend can be my enemy.

I don't understand these people any more. But then we don't listen as well as we should from time to time. We are captured by the sound bite rather then the sound.

494 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:07:49pm

re: #487 jorline

SJ tried to cross the Texas border this morning...and look what happened.

Texans report fireball in sky, sonic booms

good catch....I'm glad he's watching over us!
/

495 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:07:56pm

re: #485 Naso Tang

Point taken

496 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:08:11pm

Will someone please tell Fox to can that young black professor from Temple University. He is so irritating and always on the O'reily show , now Huckabee has him on. I am waiting for Michael Steele and this goober is wasting time with his DEM talking points.

497 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:08:38pm

re: #479 Summer

What's a little surprising is the reaction of the RR, having pushed their agenda onto the party, to act so surprised that any in the party would start pushing back. What did they think would happen once they pissed enough people off?

498 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:09:19pm

Congressional Black Caucus

Seriously, how does this fly in 2008?

/change one word and brace for hell to pay

499 rightwinger3  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:09:22pm

re: #475 Marvo76

nope, the same standard

So, you want to be like them?

It's not a fucking standard anyway, it's the way you choose to live your life.
Honor, Courage, Commitment is the way I choose to live mine.

500 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:09:33pm

Bravo huckabee! He basically just told that guy that he never agreed with Bush on anything. LIBS always assume that you were pro-Bush. In fact they assume a lot of things.

501 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:09:43pm

re: #493 yesandno

Used to be that the enemy of my friend was my enemy.

Now the friend of my friend can be my enemy.

I don't understand these people any more. But then we don't listen as well as we should from time to time. We are captured by the sound bite rather then the sound.

you are, or they have been...nobody captured me...I hate the MSM with a passion

502 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:09:55pm

re: #468 Seaberry

I probably missed most of them. Anyway, I'm more concerned with having a President who spent 20-years with a racist group - since I never read or watch Ann Coulter - and Republicans will be called racists whether they are or not.

Have you been living in a cave?

503 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:10:07pm

re: #492 sprucepinehollow

Poison is a good word to describe this. If people think that they can allow Coulter to speak at CPAC or act as an ad hoc spokesperson after defending this group and not have a negative impact with regards to votes they're foolish.

504 abolitionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:10:30pm

re: #198 Honorary Yooper

Obama's in Chicago for one major reason. He's there to kiss Daley's ring. Watch for more trips like this in the future; it's how the system works here in Illinois.

I understand JFK did a bit of that during the Cuban missile crisis.

505 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:10:31pm

re: #474 Charles

Thanks for the info and for replying. What a huge let down. No more clicks for him.

506 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:10:41pm

re: #498 Killian Bundy

Congressional Black Caucus

Seriously, how does this fly in 2008?

/change one word and brace for hell to pay

IIRC, they wouldn't let J C Watts join when he was a congressman. So they shoud change the name to the Congressional Black Democrat Congress

507 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:10:52pm

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

What is the "Terrible Secret of Space"?

What is the "Terrible Secret of LFG"?

BWAHAHAA!

508 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:11:09pm

re: #497 Sharmuta

What's a little surprising is the reaction of the RR, having pushed their agenda onto the party, to act so surprised that any in the party would start pushing back. What did they think would happen once they pissed enough people off?

Why be surprised? They want their martyr points too...

/

509 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:11:12pm

17 cookbooks

510 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:11:18pm

re: #330 Marvo76

I am just asking why is it ok to declare special things for one race and not another? I don't remember a White congressional caucus either, but remember in about 10 years whites WILL BE A MINORITY behind hispanics. Another thing to remember is outfits' like "LA RAZA" which I am told means leterally "the race" yet they are considered legimate palyers in race relations....I don't know why that would make you mad and it wasn't my intention to do so either...(something tells me I am headed for karma underworld again, but I had to ask)

I'm against illegal immigration, but I judge legal American citizens on a case by case basis, after getting to know them individually. Group fear is the first step to group hate, and the second step is a short one.

511 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:11:32pm

re: #492 sprucepinehollow

Here's a section from the CCC "Statement of Principles" that should remove any remaining doubt. They are specifically against 'race-mixing.'

We believe the United States is a European country and that Americans are part of the European people. We believe that the United States derives from and is an integral part of European civilization and the European people and that the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character. We therefore oppose the massive immigration of non-European and non-Western peoples into the United States that threatens to transform our nation into a non-European majority in our lifetime. We believe that illegal immigration must be stopped, if necessary by military force and placing troops on our national borders; that illegal aliens must be returned to their own countries; and that legal immigration must be severely restricted or halted through appropriate changes in our laws and policies. We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called “affirmative action” and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races.

512 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:12:26pm

re: #490 Honorary Yooper

I've noticed that when you BBQ people's sacred cows for their beef brisket, they tend to go insane. Creationism is a sacred cow to some, the eurofascists are a sacred cow to others. Yet, time and time again, people need to learn that sacred cows need to be BBQ'd, and will be BBQ'd here.

Keep up the good work, Charles. There are those here who stand behind you on this.

No, don't BBQ them: Butcher them and serve me the NY Strip from them. Sacred Cow Fillet Mignon is also very good, I like mine with A-1. :)

513 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:12:59pm

re: #332 sixgunsamori

I believe I'll hear what Coulter has to say before I pass any judgment. Will Rogers was right: "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see." To have this occur on the heels of leftist hinting at the fairness doctrine is a bit too convenient.

You can fucking READ what she had to say in her book. And what's in her book is a 3 page whitewashing defence of a historically and presently white supremacist organization.

514 wee fury  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:13:16pm

re: #511 jaunte

That is a horrible mission statement.

515 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:13:38pm

re: #507 Alouette

What is the "Terrible Secret of LFG"?

BWAHAHAA!

Classic!

516 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:13:54pm

re: #496 Afrocity

Will someone please tell Fox to can that young black professor from Temple University. He is so irritating and always on the O'reily show , now Huckabee has him on. I am waiting for Michael Steele and this goober is wasting time with his DEM talking points.

I kinda like the guy. I never agree with anything he says, but I like to hear what he says. He's very eloquently wrong.

Does anybody remember the guy who used to show up on Fox a lot, he had a speech impediment? I haven't seen him in a long time. He's a minister of a church - I've been wondering where he is.

517 Seaberry  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:14:02pm

re: #483 Sharmuta

So- we should allow the msm's accusations of racism to be true...? How would that help win us elections?

No. However, we should include the black racists when speaking of white racists, IMO.

James Cone’s Black Theology and Black Power was published in 1969, and his A Black Theology of Liberation was published in 1970. Here's a Cone quote:

“It is important to make a further distinction here among black hatred, black racism, and Black Power. Black hatred is the black man’s strong aversion to white society. No black man living in white America can escape it…But the charge of black racism cannot be reconciled with the facts. While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism."

Obama listened to that crap for 20-years, and I bring it up every time that I see white racism mentioned.

518 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:14:03pm

re: #499 rightwinger3

not LIKE them judged equally, not as Naso pointed out either, I understand we have to be better than they are but damn it, why should it be neccessary? Especially if we "are created equal" I will continue to uphold what I hold dear, and judge on actions not race. But it still isn't fair (welcome to life I guess)

519 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:14:05pm

re: #468 Seaberry

I probably missed most of them. Anyway, I'm more concerned with having a President who spent 20-years with a racist group - since I never read or watch Ann Coulter - and Republicans will be called racists whether they are or not.

I still cannot get over this post.

Seriously, this is incredible ignorance.

520 tommygum  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:14:18pm

re: #496 Afrocity

Will someone please tell Fox to can that young black professor from Temple University. He is so irritating and always on the O'reily show , now Huckabee has him on. I am waiting for Michael Steele and this goober is wasting time with his DEM talking points.

Yeah, I'm tired of him too. Just stutters over other people with his shopworn BS.

BTW: Welcome to LGF.

521 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:14:26pm

re: #509 Sheepdogess

17 cookbooks

Did you order 17 cookbooks?

522 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:14:30pm

re: #513 Salamantis

Pages please.?

523 jetprop  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:14:34pm

Just damn. I'm disappointed in Coulter.

I liked how she blasted liberals, but I can't support one who defends a white supremest group.

524 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:14:41pm

re: #498 Killian Bundy

The real hilarity ensued when Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), who represents the district of Memphis formerly represented by Harold Ford, Jr. (who is black) tried to join the Congressional Black Caucus because his constituents are primarily African-American.

525 songbird  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:14:41pm

re: #509 Sheepdogess

17 cookbooks

Is that how many are sold so far, or how many you are buying?

526 Sleepyone  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:15:00pm

Coulter is speaking right now on Bill Cunningham's radio show.

527 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:15:13pm

re: #516 reine.de.tout

I kinda like the guy. I never agree with anything he says, but I like to hear what he says. He's very eloquently wrong.

Does anybody remember the guy who used to show up on Fox a lot, he had a speech impediment? I haven't seen him in a long time. He's a minister of a church - I've been wondering where he is.

Jesse lee (something) (I want to say peterson)

528 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:15:27pm

re: #511 jaunte

Notice they completely leave Native Americans out of the mix...ya know, the people who were here long before European colonization.

Fucking racist morons...

529 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:15:39pm

re: #473 Marvo76
Check out "freerepublic for your answer...Not in the lgf dictionary...It's another website.

530 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:15:48pm

re: #511 jaunte

Here's a section from the CCC "Statement of Principles" that should remove any remaining doubt. They are specifically against 'race-mixing.'

Damn, weren't there other groups against "race-mixing", say a certain one in 1930s Germany, as well as another group in the US just after the Civil War?

They're two groups I want no association with what-so-ever. The CCC can be a third on that list.

531 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:16:18pm

For a little stress relief, here's a lovely video including Shakespeare's song "O Mistress Mine" that I quoted above:

532 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:16:18pm

re: #527 sattv4u2

Jesse lee (something) (I want to say peterson)

The other Reverend Jesse (Petereson).

533 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:16:34pm

re: #521 reine.de.tout

I will, tomorrow, or maybe more.

534 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:16:39pm

re: #506 sattv4u2

IIRC, they wouldn't let J C Watts join when he was a congressman. So they shoud change the name to the Congressional Black Democrat Congress

/even worse, a post racial society needs to work in all directions and as long as "black" or "white" organizations are tolerated, we'll never get there

535 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:16:51pm

re: #516 reine.de.tout

He is conservative? He has been making the FOX rounds lately on Hannity. He hates Obama and believes that the DNC exploits blacks.

536 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:16:57pm

This is what Ann Coulter wrote:

Republican politicians who had given speeches to a conservative group, the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), were branded sympathizers of white supremacists because some of the directors of the CC had, decades earlier, been leaders of a segregationist group, the Citizen Councils of America, which were founded in 1954. There is no evidence on its web page that the modern incarnation of the CCC supports segregation, though its "Statement of Principles" offers that the organization opposes "forced integration" and "efforts to mix the races of mankind." But mostly the principles refer to subjects such as a strong national defense, the right to keep and bear arms, the traditional family, and an "America First" trade policy.

Apart from some aggressive reporting on black-on-white crimes -- the very crimes that are aggressively hidden by the establishment media -- there is little on the CCC website suggesting that the group is a "thinly veiled white supremacist" organization, as the New York Times calls it in one of its more charitable descriptions.

537 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:17:00pm

re: #532 ggt

The other Reverend Jesse (Petereson).

yup,,

538 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:17:09pm
Is that how many are sold so far, or how many you are buying?

43 cookbooks are sold thus far. 37 of them from last night.

539 unclassifiable  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:17:29pm

re: #448 Sharmuta

Well I don't know about beg but you are the one who told me that we should try to change the GOP from within rather than without (through a third party).

Look this was going to happen especially after a such a bitter presidential term in office (undeservedly so IMHO) and the congressional whooping at the mid-terms followed by the final loss of all three elective branches.

The reasons I personally have not gotten involved have been my work situation (always traveling) and prior history of trying to get involved (which got stoned-walled by the Christian Coalition).

And let me be clear. This is not about a purge. This is an argument that everyone is having including many devoutly religious people who got together
during Reagan's run for office because they felt themselves marginalized. This is what happens in America and on the whole it is a good thing.

But right now those that believe in freedom and liberty are now being marginalized in the rush to try to counterbalance the looming statism they see in the current administration and its partisans in the Democratic party.

That is why I am here and until I say something to piss Charles off, this is probably where I will stay.

Hopefully now that I have a different work situation I will get involved with the local GOP again. Mind you it is still in control of the Christian Coalition but I am a little wiser and much buoyed by the fact that here, I have found other people with similar issues and concerns.

540 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:17:39pm

re: #529 swamprat

will check it out BRB

541 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:17:43pm

re: #527 sattv4u2

Jesse lee (something) (I want to say peterson)

That's it. Jesse Lee Peterson.
Did something happen to him?

542 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:18:00pm

re: #516 reine.de.tout

I kinda like the guy. I never agree with anything he says, but I like to hear what he says. He's very eloquently wrong.

Does anybody remember the guy who used to show up on Fox a lot, he had a speech impediment? I haven't seen him in a long time. He's a minister of a church - I've been wondering where he is.

Was it this guy, reine?

Ordered my cookbook last night, can't wait.

543 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:18:04pm

re: #520 tommygum

Yeah, I'm tired of him too. Just stutters over other people with his shopworn BS.

BTW: Welcome to LGF.

it's almost embarassing that anyone would fawn over some FOX head or another...who the fuck cares?...who stutters or who opens the vault....FOX will do you in

544 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:18:10pm

re: #525 songbird

Is that how many are sold so far, or how many you are buying?

My purchase, Christmas 2009. How easy was that?

545 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:18:17pm

re: #535 Afrocity

He is conservative? He has been making the FOX rounds lately on Hannity. He hates Obama and believes that the DNC exploits blacks.

Jesse Lee Peterson has been a Hannity favorite for a long time. He's been on Hannitys radio show for years

546 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:18:21pm

re: #528 talon_262

Notice they completely leave Native Americans out of the mix...ya know, the people who were here long before European colonization.

Fucking racist morons...

Odd, that, since my husband's Scots-Irish family's first experiments in race-mixing started with the Cherokee, moved on to the Creek, and then branched out happily into the West African.

Yes. Racist moroms.

547 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:18:34pm

Then I invite you to go to the CCC website and see for yourself whether the ugly, reeking reality of that place stands up to this blatantly whitewashed description.

548 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:18:35pm
549 rjschwarz  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:18:37pm

White Pride. Beyond the fact that the term is usually used by racist you might consider the fact that it promotes group thinking. Conservatives are generally opposed to group thinking (beyond Western Civilization as a group). There is no need for groups to feel shame, or pride. That is taking credit or shame for the works of others and not taking responsibility for your own issues.

Just as Whites should feel no shame for deeds of the past they should feel no pride as a group either. Some whites should feel shame and others pride but that does not transfer onto other generations.

550 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:18:51pm

re: #535 Afrocity

He is conservative? He has been making the FOX rounds lately on Hannity. He hates Obama and believes that the DNC exploits blacks.

Yes, he's conservative a "convert" to conservatism.
Jesse Lee Peterson is his name.
I haven't watched Hannity lately but I used to see him on Fox quite often.

551 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:18:54pm
We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called “affirmative action” and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races.

That's rich. Like the racial mix of many Texans which includes Spaniards, Mexicans, and Germans. I will assume that some Mestizos would also be in the "mix." Major General Terry de la Mesa Allen, Sr. (Big Red One) whose maternal grandfather was from Spain but fought, ironically, with the Union Army. Of course to the CCC he would be mixed! His mother's name was Consuelo "Conchita" Alvarez de la Mesa.

552 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:19:03pm

re: #535 Afrocity

He is conservative? He has been making the FOX rounds lately on Hannity. He hates Obama and believes that the DNC exploits blacks.

He wrote a book a while back that my Dad loved! I forget the name. He is or was one of the few to speak out against the welfare system and the self-aggrandizing of Jesse Jackson et. al. I don't know where he stands now, but he was considered conservative--like Larry Elder.

553 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:19:03pm

re: #536 Charles

Page numbers please..

554 NY Nana  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:19:04pm

re: #370 BLBfootballs

I am a Jew, and that remark from that bitch, and your post, are as offensive as hell to me.

In case you missed it, see this:

555 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:19:09pm

re: #24 Charles

Ann Coulter is one of the main featured speakers at CPAC.

Yep. And a creationist to boot. sigh

556 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:19:14pm

re: #524 Dar ul Harb

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Cohen was rebuffed.

557 songbird  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:19:16pm

re: #538 reine.de.tout

43 cookbooks are sold thus far. 37 of them from last night.

Good numbers so far. I hope we sell many more!

558 songbird  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:19:41pm

re: #544 Sheepdogess

My purchase, Christmas 2009. How easy was that?

Nice

559 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:19:44pm

re: #541 reine.de.tout

That's it. Jesse Lee Peterson.
Did something happen to him?

Not that i'm aware of. he was on Hannity about 2 weeks ago

560 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:19:57pm

re: #538 reine.de.tout

43 cookbooks are sold thus far. 37 of them from last night.

I promise to sit down with my credit card tomorrow and order mine. I never have the right tools when I need them.

:0

561 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:20:04pm

Ann Coulter: the Unity Mitford of American Fascism?

562 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:20:05pm
563 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:20:29pm

re: #511 jaunte

They want anti-miscegnation laws back, which is really what they are all about.

564 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:20:29pm

re: #536 Charles

This is what Ann Coulter wrote:

She openly acknowledges that they're against 'race mixing'. That's kind of interesting in and of itself. Why is she interested in defending these guys?

565 yochanan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:20:47pm

re: #461 jcw46

Coulter began to get my version of the "steely eyeball" back when she said that she wanted to "perfect the Jews". At the time I thought I understood what I thought she meant but knew this was not an intelligent thing to say. After the last 500-700 years, Christians should speak softly and with large amounts of consideration and compassion when referring to any thing to do with religion. Her willingness to make this statement was to me:
1. an outright ploy for headlines.
2. Injudicious regardless of the reasons.
3. Arrogant.
4. Monumentally stupid.

She only had about 2 nerves left with me and she jumped on both of them with these recent revelations. I don't like it that you had to do it Charles but (you know how you feel when you get that IRS letter in the mail -- you're not too happy with the mailman) thanks for bringing this up. But for my reading here, I wouldn't know this and ignorance is NOT bliss.

MY RESPONSE TO ANN THE TRANNY'S COMMENT ABOUT JEWS WAS
'TO TELL HER TO KISS MY JEWISH TOUCKAS BUT MY TOUCKAS HAS MORE CLASS AS TO WHOM IT WOULD LET KISS'

566 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:20:50pm

re: #542 jorline

Was it this guy, reine?

Ordered my cookbook last night, can't wait.

NO, not him! LOL!
You know Swaggert's place is here in BR.
When Swaggert's first scandal broke, I was working for a guy who looked like he could be Swaggert's twin.
One day we were driving from our office to a meeting across town, and every time we stopped at a light, people in the surrounding cars would stare and whisper . . . fun times.

567 sprucepinehollow  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:21:00pm

re: #511 jaunte

Like Europeans aren't already "mixed." Did you see the photo at the bottom? Looks like some of 'em weren't mixed enough.

They (mis)use the Bible to support their views too.

568 Summer Seale  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:21:04pm

re: #547 Charles

Then I invite you to go to the CCC website and see for yourself whether the ugly, reeking reality of that place stands up to this blatantly whitewashed description.

I went to see about fifteen minutes ago, and yes it's absolutely a racist site. I agree.

BTW, they have a post up about the traffic there right now, looking for more recruits.

569 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:21:07pm

re: #505 MrPaulRevere

Thanks for the info and for replying. What a huge let down. No more clicks for him.

He and Ann Coulter are real-life friends. He is likely to be very defensive about this, regardless of the facts.

570 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:21:10pm

There's more than that in Coulter's book, too - she goes on to make excuses for politicians who spoke at CCC meetings, ranting about the "media's hysteria," etc. etc.

571 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:21:16pm

re: #552 ggt

He wrote a book a while back that my Dad loved! I forget the name. He is or was one of the few to speak out against the welfare system and the self-aggrandizing of Jesse Jackson et. al. I don't know where he stands now, but he was considered conservative--like Larry Elder.

Jesse Lee Peterson.

572 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:21:33pm

Ok, took a quick look, on the surface the place looks liek a conservative site (Free republic) but from the quick read of topics nothing stood out there that wold trigger alarm bells, is it really that bad over there?

573 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:21:35pm

re: #1 The Mongoose

That site is seriously referring to Dresden neo-nazis as "patriotic".

I am done with Coulter, after years of reading her books and articles.

Seriously, my friend: Didn't anything she said tip you off before this?

574 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:21:52pm

re: #553 Sheepdogess

Page numbers please..

I don't have the book - I'm quoting from the Kindle version which does not have page numbers.

575 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:22:01pm

re: #549 rjschwarz

White Pride. Beyond the fact that the term is usually used by racist you might consider the fact that it promotes group thinking. Conservatives are generally opposed to group thinking (beyond Western Civilization as a group). There is no need for groups to feel shame, or pride. That is taking credit or shame for the works of others and not taking responsibility for your own issues.

Just as Whites should feel no shame for deeds of the past they should feel no pride as a group either. Some whites should feel shame and others pride but that does not transfer onto other generations.

Very well said, sir.

576 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:22:07pm

re: #533 Sheepdogess

I will, tomorrow, or maybe more.

GREAT!
and thanks.

577 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:22:16pm

re: #385 jcw46

I will indulge you; read the statement of "principals". (and I use the word principals loosely and only so you'll know what to look for.)

Did anyone mention the "statement of principals" has been deleted from the CCC Web site? The page is blank. But - I located it here. Sorry if someone else posted this already - I just got off work.

A few things that jumped out at me:

*As part of their "European heritage" thing, they want to stop non-white immigration and are against race mixing (and I read that to mean both that they are pro white separatism/nationalism and anti mixed racial marriages (which kinda screws both President O and my mom's entire family).

*They are rabidly gay bashing. They also seem to be pretty much everything but the missionary position with your clothes on - and then only if you are married.

*They want a Christian nation - with Christian public schools, etc.

*They are against free trade, international commerce, and basically say to our allies "good luck and screw you."

*They want to put a lot more people to death than we do now for a lot more reasons.

Bottom line for me - in a nutshell, they can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned. Damn.

578 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:22:21pm

re: #539 unclassifiable

Good luck, and thanks for getting involved.

579 FlakMusic  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:22:30pm

Feed Anne Coulter (and the Tip Jar, and Soldier's Angels)

Buy the book!

What better to ram down chain-smoking Anne's emaciated throat in a humanitarian gesture than these fine recipes contributed by LGF readers for the first ever unofficial LGF Cookbook:

Breads
Shabbos Challah
Bara Brith (Speckled Bread)
Irish Soda Bread
Bacon Tomato Cups
Selkirk Bannock
Grandma's Depression Era Butterhorns
Fabulous Bran Muffins
Naomi's Date Squares
Buttermilk Biscuits
Lizard Corn Bread

Sauces & Marinades
Coney Island Hot Dog Chili Sauce
Meat Marinade
Coney Island Hot Dog Chili Sauce
Thai Dipping Sauce
Peanut Dipping Sauce
Soy Dipping Sauce
Quick Grilled Flank Steak Marinade

Salads
Janet's Waldo Salad
Curried Chicken Salad
Winter Fruit Salad With Lemon Poppy Seed Dressing
Kristen's Strawberry Salad
Broccoli Coleslaw With Ramen Noodles

Snacks & In Between Courses
Best Onion Dip In The Universe
South Texas Holiday Poppers
Pee-Wee Pistolettes*
Cranberry Ice
Hot Crab Dip

Soups & Stews
Miss Trixie's Winter White Bean Soup
Hungarian Goulash
Chicken Soup
Soupe Aux Oignons Gratinee (French Onion Soup)
Apple Ginger Soup
Songbird's Famous Green Chili Stew
Rendezvous Garlic Soup
101st Airborne Beer Cheese Soup
Chickpea And Spinach Soup
Chicken Tortilla Soup
Mushroom-Barley Soup
Cream Of Broccoli Soup
Mulligatawny Soup

Main Dishes
Pickled Shrimp
Tater-Tot Hot Dish
Cedar Plank Salmon: Barbeque
Cedar Plank Salmon: In The Oven
Caribbean Lamb Curry
Thai Red Curry Sauce Ribs
Yakitori Chicken
Corned Beef
Crabmeat Au Gratin
Grilled Chicken & Shrimp Kabobs
White Wine Shrimp Parmesan
Grandma's Chicken Climax
Hurb's Grilled Tilapia
Lutheran "Some-Kinda-Meat" Hotdish
Yerushalmi Kugel
Lasagna
Fruit Kugel
Chinese Chicken
Kosher Dairy Noodle Kugel
Right_wing2'S Meaty Chili
Passover Matzah Brye
Dandelion Greens And Goat Cheese In Pasta
The Roi's Pepperoni Chicken And Spaghetti
Moby BBQ
Poor Lizard's Pasta
What To Take To A Lizard Party When You've Drunk Too Much To Put In A Lot Of Effort
Beer Battered Chicken
Red Wine Beef Casserole
Chicken And Broccoli Casserole
Chicken Mardi Gras
Breakfast/Brunch Strata
Sticky Chicken
Ploome's Easy Chicken
Spicy Thai Burgers
Balsamic Chicken
Crab Lasagna
Grav Lax (Cured Salmon) And Sauce
Easy Meatloaf
Beer Can Chicken
PDX Chicken

Sides
Potato Wedges
Thai Fried Rice
Mushroom Risotto
Phat Woon Sen (Fried Noodles)
Cheese Grits
Farmer's Market Squash Saute
Lucius Septimius' Old Stuffing Recipe
Buzzsawmonkey's Kasha, Rice & Lentils (Krl)
Apricot Bourbon Pecan Sweet Potatoes

Refreshments
Wassail
Almost Irish Cream
Hot Spiced Cranberry Punch
Hot Spiced Cider
Wassail (Part Ii)
Wine Punch

Desserts
Chocolate Zucchini Cake
Quick Peach Cobbler
Miss Trixie's Gingerbread With Ginger And Lemon
Chocolate Cheesecake
German Chocolate/Caramel Brownies
Poppy Seed Cake
Raspberry Truffle Brownies
Apple-Oatmeal Cookies
Baklava
Peppermint Fluff
Banana Cupcakes
Apple-Sour Cream Bake
Mom's Pumpkin Pie
Silhouette's Moravian Sugar Cake
Lizard Cake
Writer Mom's Sour Cream Pound Cake
Spritz Cookies
Decadent Chocolate Pudding
Chocolate Fondue With Fruit
American Apple Pie
Coconut Pecan Frosting For German Chocolate Cake
Caramel Crumb Apple Pie
Dark Moor Cake
Robert Redford Pie

580 Summer Seale  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:22:42pm

Seems like they just put up that new post and are taking advantage of all the interest.

581 Sleepyone  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:22:53pm

re: #565 yochanan

MY RESPONSE TO ANN THE TRANNY'S COMMENT ABOUT JEWS WAS
'TO TELL HER TO KISS MY JEWISH TOUCKAS BUT MY TOUCKAS HAS MORE CLASS AS TO WHOM IT WOULD LET KISS'

That's kind of uncool to call her a "tranny".

582 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:23:17pm

I have the book. I can't find it. Page #'s?

583 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:23:31pm

re: #582 Sheepdogess

Isn't there an index?

584 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:23:39pm

re: #562 Iron Fist

The Democrats, more than anyone else are responsible for that. They spun and spun that it was "all about sex" as if that was a sacred shield you could hide perjury and obstruction of Justice behind and render them meaningless.

It is sad, really. Clinton was guilty of high crimes and misdomeeners that should have resulted in him being removed from office. This wouldn't have been "Overturning an Election" as the Dems tried to whine. Al Gore would have just became President before he was elected to it. That is how the system works.

What is funny is that if the Donks had stood on principle and gotten rid of the slime of the Clinton Administration, Al Gore probably would have won, in 2000. It would have probably kept Tennessee in play, and everybody who is in the know knows that Gore didn't lose the Presidency in Florida. He lost it in Tennessee. If he had carried his putative "home State", he would have won the office without having to resort to voodoo and ceremopnial black magic to scry the true intent of a voter who voted for two candidates. Or thought about voting for two candidates. Or could be intimidated into saying that they were intimidated.

of course...the Donks are idiots...worse than the Phaunts tho...but only by a small margin...people disdain history...good post

585 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:23:41pm

The CCC is promoting a country singer named Wayne Troutt. Try an online search of the terms Wayne Troutt and rahowa. See what distributor pops up, and the other sick stuff they're selling.

586 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:23:48pm

re: #570 Charles

There's more than that in Coulter's book, too - she goes on to make excuses for politicians who spoke at CCC meetings, ranting about the "media's hysteria," etc. etc.

That's part of the reason I decided against buying Coulter's book. The main reason, though, was her hostile, shrill, snarky, tone. I've grow to hate such tones, since all the people who use them tend to do is make life unpleasant.

587 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:23:48pm
588 GOPninja  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:23:49pm

re: #581 Sleepyone

That's kind of uncool to call her a "tranny".

an offense to trannies everywhere?

589 GT Charlie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:24:04pm

This is just plain weird on Coulter's part. I like her. I think. I mean, she annoys liberals (somebody's got to do it), and she's a fox. I'd hate to think that she's connected with (or tolerates) racists. That shit is so old and dead it's ridiculous!

Assuming all this is true (I did not read the book) I hope Coulter will re-evaluate her position. There's no more sure way to crash and burn than to be exposed as a racist.

I don't know who anybody is anymore.

GTC

590 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:24:15pm

It was either during the election that a Lizard posted some interesting poll numbers. It was RR hardliners threatening not to vote McCain vs. possible swing Independents. If I recall correctly it showed that there was more to gain by appealing to the I's than it was to the RR.

Now, I know that the "if you want to vote Democrat, just vote for the real thing" argument comes into play, and those who make it might be right. But 1) remove some of the Socon items from the platform, 2) distance the party from the fascist supporters, racists, creationists, John Birch Society types et. al., and 3) Promote fiscal conservativism as the backbone of the party (meaning a fair number of Rs from the last R majority will have to go, even if that means things get worse before they get better) and the I's will come to us -we won't have to "reach out" as far into Dem territory to bring them in. It seems simple enough.

591 Sleepyone  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:24:32pm

re: #588 GOPninja

an offense to trannies everywhere?

Just offensive period.

592 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:24:34pm

re: #390 Marvo76

I see what you are getting at, I don't like racists either, but why are conservatives held to the higher standards?

Because, wrongly, or, in some cases rightly, they are popularly perceived as the ones who wanted (and/or want) to 'conserve' racism, sexism, homophobia, religious bigotry, and the rejection of science.

593 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:24:36pm

Internet Archive saved pages from the CCC website:

[Link: cofcc.org...]

I expect them to try to do some hasty cleanup.

594 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:24:37pm

Charles, can I send you something I wrote to see if you think I am being to harsh in my outlook rather than posting it here? I would welcome your input

595 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:25:09pm

re: #50 Charles

Good. Lord.

This is why I refused numerous invitations to attend CPAC. The "conservative movement" is apparently in the midst of a massive meltdown.

Just curious - is Palin going to show up at this CPAC affair?

596 Sleepyone  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:25:22pm

re: #591 Sleepyone

Just offensive period.

Correction: Not offensive, just uncool.

597 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:25:32pm

re: #552 ggt

He wrote a book a while back that my Dad loved! I forget the name. He is or was one of the few to speak out against the welfare system and the self-aggrandizing of Jesse Jackson et. al. I don't know where he stands now, but he was considered conservative--like Larry Elder.

He is right. Everyday is like waking up from a nightmare for me- this Obama presidency. Sometimes I wish everything in the world was simpler. That blacks did not feel the need to elect this empty suit just to say "We got the prize".

598 2MurthasRight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:25:39pm

Okay. I'll play pinata. First, for context, last year I wandered onto the CCC's site year following an Internet trail after viewing video (I don't recall where) of several Stormfront goons speaking with Ron Paul at some event. I saw enough on CCC's site to make me cringe, depart, clear my cookies, and then run checks of my PC using security software. That said, The quote from the Southern Poverty Law Office is incomplete; Ann Coulter went further and a bit more of her context is needed:

"There is no evidence on its Web page that the modern incarnation of the CCC supports segregation, though its "Statement of Principles" offers that the organization opposes "forced integration" and "efforts to mix the races of mankind."" [emphasis added mine]

In short, Coulter's fuller commentary, pages 24 - 26, on this subject stated 1) the New York Times slammed Trent Lott and Bob Barr for speaking at the CCC, 2) Patrick Kennedy confronted Barr for his speaking at the CCC after the latter cited JFK during a House speech, 3) Bob Wexler introduced a rare House resolution aimed at a group "for the sole purpose of denouncing" the CCC, and 4) none of them made similar protestations over the Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons. (There is a bit more but that is the main gist of what she wrote.)

I think Ann Coulter knowingly went too far in defending the CCC yet her larger point was Democrats and the lib media freely applies guilt by association when a politician has an 'R' after their name but did not apply that same standard to Barack Obama's relationship with Wright.

(For the record, I feel both forced integration and efforts to deny free association based upon race are discriminatory.)

599 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:25:46pm

re: #589 GT Charlie

This is just plain weird on Coulter's part. I like her. I think. I mean, she annoys liberals (somebody's got to do it), and she's a fox. I'd hate to think that she's connected with (or tolerates) racists. That shit is so old and dead it's ridiculous!

Assuming all this is true (I did not read the book) I hope Coulter will re-evaluate her position. There's no more sure way to crash and burn than to be exposed as a racist.

I don't know who anybody is anymore.

GTC

As far as we're concerned, Coulter's already crashed and burned over this (and crap from long before now)...hell, I wouldn't piss on her to put the fire out.

600 Summer Seale  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:25:50pm

re: #593 Charles

Internet Archive saved pages from the CCC website:

[Link: cofcc.org...]

I expect them to try to do some hasty cleanup.

They haven't yet. They posted a new post about all the traffic they are getting, but they haven't removed anything incriminating as of yet. They're relishing it.

601 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:25:59pm

re: #579 FlakMusic

You need to be in marketing!

602 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:26:09pm

re: #577 Catttt

Did anyone mention the "statement of principals" has been deleted from the CCC Web site?

You just did.

Verrrry interestink.

603 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:26:21pm

re: #592 Salamantis

Ok, I may have to do some rading over there just to check it out. I think Maybe I am lucky I ended up here rather than some other place because I am finding out quite a bit that I didn't know....even if I get my ass handed to me in doing it...

604 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:26:31pm

re: #579 FlakMusic

Diversity is delicious!

Shabbos Challah
Bara Brith (Speckled Bread)
Irish Soda Bread
Bacon Tomato Cups

:D

605 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:26:41pm

re: #566 reine.de.tout

NO, not him! LOL!
You know Swaggert's place is here in BR.
When Swaggert's first scandal broke, I was working for a guy who looked like he could be Swaggert's twin.
One day we were driving from our office to a meeting across town, and every time we stopped at a light, people in the surrounding cars would stare and whisper . . . fun times.

That's funny, did you get out of the car and walk?

I think one of the recipes I submitted called for 1oz of pot, this was during the election and I was depressed.
Can you make a last minute change to that recipe for me? I've changed it to 3 oz now.
//

606 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:26:47pm

re: #594 Marvo76

Charles, can I send you something I wrote to see if you think I am being to harsh in my outlook rather than posting it here? I would welcome your input

what a sissie...post it

607 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:26:48pm

re: #593 Charles

There it is! Thanks Charles. It sheds more light on them.

608 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:27:08pm

I believe "white pride" is a racist slogan, not according to the plain meaning of the words but rather according to the historical context of the usage.

The slogan "black pride" is not a racist slogan according to the plain meaning of the words, nor according to the historical context.

But to the unsophisticated the distinction seems to lack basic fairness. To the simple there is a distinct air of discrimination.

And as the language becomes complex and meanings are twisted like pretzels, we smart folk may be losing the ability to communicate with the others.

609 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:27:08pm

re: #587 ploome hineni

this annoying individual

No, I was talking about Jesse Lee Peterson.
Used to see him all the time.
Haven't seen him in awhile.

610 BLBfootballs  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:27:09pm

re: #456 SanFranciscoZionist

No one is asking Protestants to change their beliefs. Ann Coulter is still a loudmouth bigot.

That may well be. We're surely mature enough to dissect which beliefs qualify as beyond the pale and which don't. IMO, in modern-day America a mainstream, peaceful Christian belief doesn't.

You about to step up for the folks who sincerely believe that all human beings are destined to be Muslims?

Huh? Why the heck would I do that? I have to admit I'm totally missing your point here. In a free society members have the right to debate each other about the relative merits of their beliefs and critique them. That arrangement works fantastically well for Jews and just about everyone else in America (except extremist Muslims, their leftist fellow travelers, and sundry other supremacists).

611 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:27:19pm

I am going to send the text from Coulter's book posted above and the text from the part of the CCC mission statement to Jon Caldera.

Jon Caldara is the President of the Independence Institute, a think tank here in Golden, Colorado, and also has a 3 hour nightly talk show on KOA, our local Clear Channel 50 thousand watt station.

And on Sunday nights, he is on after Bill Cunningham, at 11:00-1:00.

Jon tries to have Ann on almost once a week on his show, for an hour (when her schedule will allow).

They are good friends, and I am going to ask him what he thinks about this, and if he would try to get some statement from Coulter.

I know how to get in touch with Jon, so, if anything, this might start someone's "cage to rattling."

I am going to email him at the station tonight, and if I don't get an answer from him while he is at the studio, I will email him at his think tank. We have talked in the past, and he knows me.

612 funky chicken  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:27:21pm

re: #547 Charles

Then I invite you to go to the CCC website and see for yourself whether the ugly, reeking reality of that place stands up to this blatantly whitewashed description.

er, no thanks

613 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:27:28pm

re: #593 Charles

Internet Archive saved pages from the CCC website:

[Link: cofcc.org...]

I expect them to try to do some hasty cleanup.

I seriously hope someone makes screenshots. There can be no memory hole on the internet.

614 Sleepyone  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:27:33pm

re: #599 talon_262

As far as we're concerned, Coulter's already crashed and burned over this (and crap from long before now)...hell, I wouldn't piss on her to put the fire out.

Ouch. That's harsh.

615 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:27:38pm

re: #574 Charles

Are we talking about Guilty?

616 clgood  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:27:51pm

re: #547 Charles

Then I invite you to go to the CCC website and see for yourself whether the ugly, reeking reality of that place stands up to this blatantly whitewashed description.

I did. It took me a good 60 seconds to find several blatant examples of racism, and that's not counting the tee shirt ads. (That link doesn't go to CCC, FWIW. I excerpted them on my own blog.)

I'm really saddened by this. I read, and liked, Coulter back in the day when she wrote about constitutional issues. She was a well-researched, witty polemicist. What a disappointment.

617 NY Nana  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:27:59pm

re: #433 jorline

OMG! Take a look at it's karma!

618 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:28:02pm

re: #606 albusteve

I defer to the grand lizzard, I wold not want to wear out my welcome by posting something He would not want here....

619 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:28:07pm

re: #594 Marvo76

Charles, can I send you something I wrote to see if you think I am being to harsh in my outlook rather than posting it here? I would welcome your input

You are shy all of a sudden?

620 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:28:18pm

re: #579 FlakMusic

Feed Anne Coulter (and the Tip Jar, and Soldier's Angels)

Buy the book!

What better to ram down chain-smoking Anne's emaciated throat in a humanitarian gesture than these fine recipes contributed by LGF readers for the first ever unofficial LGF Cookbook:

Sauces & Marinades
Coney Island Hot Dog Chili Sauce
Meat Marinade
Coney Island Hot Dog Chili Sauce
Thai Dipping Sauce
Peanut Dipping Sauce
Soy Dipping Sauce
Quick Grilled Flank Steak Marinade

Are there two kinds of Coney Island Hot Dog Chili Sauce or is that a typo? (one of them is my contribution, as well as some other selections)

621 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:28:25pm

Mike Huckabee wants you to email him to say what you will do with your $13 a week from the stimulus.

Hmmm, I will buy...Nah I will save it maybe it can be a holiday fund.

622 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:28:50pm

re: #565 yochanan

don't you sometimes wish for caps caps lock? So you can REALLY, REALLY emphasis something. (the difference between talking loudly and screaming) I've tried but apparently you can't format the comments with a larger font.
I know the reason why it's not a good idea but {sigh} sometimes saying something loudly isn't ENOUGH.

623 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:29:04pm

re: #618 Marvo76

I defer to the grand lizzard, I wold not want to wear out my welcome by posting something He would not want here....

Learning wisdom, this one is.

624 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:29:07pm

re: #569 capitalist piglet

Thanks for the heads up. He's a huge disappointment.

625 guftafs  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:29:21pm

re: #616 clgood


I'm really saddened by this. I read, and liked, Coulter back in the day when she wrote about constitutional issues. She was a well-researched, witty polemicist. What a disappointment.

Yes, it's strange and sometimes sad to see how people change over time.

626 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:29:35pm

re: #618 Marvo76

I defer to the grand lizzard, I wold not want to wear out my welcome by posting something He would not want here....

just post it and quit trying to look more important than you are...

627 FlakMusic  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:29:41pm

re: #601 reine.de.tout

You need to be in marketing!

Yes I do...badly. ;^)

628 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:29:42pm

re: #613 Honorary Yooper

Add the following to the end of that link:

/*

That will give you all the files in the archive. You can browse them. Hit and miss of course.

629 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:30:10pm
630 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:30:27pm

re: #579 FlakMusic

Thanks for your contribution to the cookbook. Reine has mentioned how helpful you were.

631 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:30:27pm

re: #551 Gus 802

That's rich. Like the racial mix of many Texans which includes Spaniards, Mexicans, and Germans. I will assume that some Mestizos would also be in the "mix." Major General Terry de la Mesa Allen, Sr. (Big Red One) whose maternal grandfather was from Spain but fought, ironically, with the Union Army. Of course to the CCC he would be mixed! His mother's name was Consuelo "Conchita" Alvarez de la Mesa.

At my grandmother's funeral a little over a year ago, we ended up spending about a half an hour on a self-guided tour of the columbarium at the Catholic cemetery in San Diego. It was amazing--mostly Spanish names on the oldest plaques, then English and Irish ones, German, Italian...and the statues and the windows the same, all different languages and styles.

One faith, many cultures. That's what America is like, at its core, one ideal, and so many cultures becoming part of it.

632 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:30:28pm

Found it.

633 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:30:29pm

re: #597 Afrocity

He is right. Everyday is like waking up from a nightmare for me- this Obama presidency. Sometimes I wish everything in the world was simpler. That blacks did not feel the need to elect this empty suit just to say "We got the prize".

Yeah, I know. There are so many qualified candidates.

634 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:30:47pm

re: #620 Alouette

Are there two kinds of Coney Island Hot Dog Chili Sauce or is that a typo? (one of them is my contribution, as well as some other selections)

oops.
They are both yours, just in there twice somehow.
So it must be doubly good?

635 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:31:16pm

Those looking for the quote in Coulter's hardcover version - Steve Gilbert's blog says the relevant section is in Chapter 1, pages 24-26.

636 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:31:20pm

re: #593 Charles

I expect them to try to do some hasty cleanup.

The coverup has already begun.

Look at them cucarachas scurry from the light!

637 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:31:25pm

re: #619 Naso Tang

I have learned to value this place in the sort time Ihave been here, I do't wish to loose the privledge, nor do I wish to spend my entire time in Karma dungeon if there is something positive I can share. I am still learning the ropes here....

638 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:31:32pm

re: #589 GT Charlie

I don't know who anybody is anymore.

GTC

I know what you mean. So many people seem to be going stark raving nuts in every direction. That's why I grab Camile Paglia's ankle and say "thank you for being sane," even though we differ on many positions. She's SANE.

639 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:31:50pm

re: #621 Afrocity

Mike Huckabee wants you to email him to say what you will do with your $13 a week from the stimulus.

Hmmm, I will buy...Nah I will save it maybe it can be a holiday fund.

Dear Huck, I'm going to buy books on atheism, I mean- evolution.

640 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:31:54pm

re: #626 albusteve

just post it and quit trying to look more important than you are...

Maybe we could promise not to look, and just watch for the boot, or not?

641 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:32:30pm

What Coulter did (defending CCC in her book) is despicable. That said, what's going to happen next may be worse.
She will hit the road promoting her book, going one every radio and TV talk show she can. Most of the 'hosts' she'll be talking to will have NEVER read the book, but will have had excerpts culled from it by their staff. Post that, I can see some lefty trashing that talk "host" for "promoting Coulters racist views".

slippery slope

642 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:32:33pm

re: #581 Sleepyone

That's kind of uncool to call her a "tranny".


Yes, Yochanan. Shame on you, that's an insult to tranny's. :>

643 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:33:00pm
644 2MurthasRight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:33:08pm

BTW Ann, if you read this, mostly loved book. Call me.

645 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:33:21pm

I can never listen to this without tears spilling out of my eyes.

646 GT Charlie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:33:22pm

re: #587 ploome hineni

this annoying individual

OMG! I hope I never find myself in the same room as that guy. Check that jaw action. I thought I was watching Howdy Doody. He's so articulate he's unstoppable!

Heh!
Charlie

647 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:33:24pm

re: #629 ploome hineni

Yes, that's him.

648 FlakMusic  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:33:45pm

re: #620 Alouette

Are there two kinds of Coney Island Hot Dog Chili Sauce or is that a typo? (one of them is my contribution, as well as some other selections)

It's a duplicate in book...this was an amateur production...none of us caught the duplicate...it's probably where I should have put Mandy's Egg Goop...

To be fair, the most polished part of the book is Jaunte's cover and Sharmuta's opening prayer...

649 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:33:49pm

re: #637 Marvo76

I have learned to value this place in the sort time Ihave been here, I do't wish to loose the privledge, nor do I wish to spend my entire time in Karma dungeon if there is something positive I can share. I am still learning the ropes here....

Good. Others have been there before you, but stand on your own you must do.

650 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:34:03pm

re: #644 2MurthasRight

Dude- you can have her.

651 BLBfootballs  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:34:17pm

re: #536 Charles

This is what Ann Coulter wrote:
...
There is no evidence on its web page that the modern incarnation of the CCC supports segregation, though its "Statement of Principles" offers that the organization opposes "forced integration" and "efforts to mix the races of mankind."

That strikes me as very self-contradictory! Dontcha think that if an organization openly opposes "efforts to mix the races of mankind" a click or two more might reveal that they're basically segregationist?! Sigh.... Coulter loves doing stupid things like this.

re: #548 ploome hineni

#370 BLBfootballs

respect? how do you like this?

condescending and weird?
lol

Huh? Totally missing your train here.

652 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:34:18pm

re: #640 Naso Tang

Maybe we could promise not to look, and just watch for the boot, or not?

he wants Charles to proof read his stuff....hahaha!...good grief

653 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:34:28pm

re: #624 MrPaulRevere

Thanks for the heads up. He's a huge disappointment.

You're welcome. Finally something on LGF I know something about. : )

I could tell stories, but I'd probably better not. Suffice it to say Charles is correct in his instincts.

654 unclassifiable  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:34:43pm

re: #639 Sharmuta

I'm buying body armor and little MP5s for squirrels in Arkansas.

655 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:34:48pm

I'm tired,

weet dreams all!

656 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:34:50pm

More from the Cof CC "Statement of Principles. They're opposed to a lot of things, but they really are nutty on the subject of race-mixing.

6. The traditional family is the basic unit of human society. We believe in the traditional family as the basic unit of human society and morality, and we oppose all efforts by the state and other powers to weaken the structure of the American family through toleration of sexual licentiousness, homosexuality and other perversions, mixture of the races, pornography in all forms, and subversion of the authority of parents."
657 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:34:50pm

re: #468 Seaberry

I probably missed most of them. Anyway, I'm more concerned with having a President who spent 20-years with a racist group - since I never read or watch Ann Coulter - and Republicans will be called racists whether they are or not.

So, are you saying that since Republicans will be called racists whether they are or not, that it's okay with you if they are?

I think this one needs to meet the underside of a bus. It definitely doesn't belong in any party that I'D wanna be a member of...

658 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:35:01pm

re: #643 Marvo76

Too many hates, grasshopper.

659 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:35:05pm

I didn't do screen shots, but I saved the source code of the principals page. I'm saving it because it has the original "statement of principals" as it appeared before they purged their Web site of it.

660 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:35:10pm

re: #461 jcw46

Coulter began to get my version of the "steely eyeball" back when she said that she wanted to "perfect the Jews". At the time I thought I understood what I thought she meant but knew this was not an intelligent thing to say. After the last 500-700 years, Christians should speak softly and with large amounts of consideration and compassion when referring to any thing to do with religion. Her willingness to make this statement was to me:
1. an outright ploy for headlines.
2. Injudicious regardless of the reasons.
3. Arrogant.
4. Monumentally stupid.

She only had about 2 nerves left with me and she jumped on both of them with these recent revelations. I don't like it that you had to do it Charles but (you know how you feel when you get that IRS letter in the mail -- you're not too happy with the mailman) thanks for bringing this up. But for my reading here, I wouldn't know this and ignorance is NOT bliss.

When I talk to my evangelical relatives I know that they want to "Save" me as part of their Religious dogma. Individually they might have different levels of clarity about what they are asking. It wouldn't bother me if Muslims wanted to convert me either. The value of religious freedom here is that no one is going to kill me for thinking differently. Ann Coulter has also said she would like to see Iraq converted to Christianity. One would wonder if there is room for compromise?

661 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:35:17pm
662 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:35:28pm

O/T Ruh-Roh...
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]
/He Hopes they Change their mind/

663 BLBfootballs  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:35:30pm

re: #643 Marvo76

Oh please! This is so irrelevant!

664 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:35:37pm

Whoa, SpaceJesus has a hideous karma rating. I think Jimmy Carter would fair better on LGF than him. ;-)

665 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:35:45pm

Good night all. Been fun.

666 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:35:58pm

re: #631 SanFranciscoZionist

Very much so. It's amazing how they don't grasp the concept of race and America's past and possibly their very own racial or cultural heritage. However, I doubt they allow anyone of "mixed" race into their group. At least on the face of things.

Someone should wake up John Wayne from his grave since he only married Spanish woman. At one point he was married to a Mexican woman that I assume that CCC would have found objectionable.

667 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:36:13pm

re: #665 Naso Tang

Nice meeting you.

668 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:36:14pm

re: #642 jcw46

Yes, Yochanan. Shame on you, that's an insult to tranny's. :>

This is true. Trannys I know are much nicer.

669 2MurthasRight  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:36:24pm

re: #650 Sharmuta

Lighten up. It was a joke.

670 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:36:25pm

checked out the CC site, yep that kinda jumps right out at you....

671 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:37:00pm

re: #605 jorline

That's funny, did you get out of the car and walk?

Naw, just snuggled up to him . . .

672 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:37:07pm

re: #666 Gus 802

Isn't Laura Bush part Mexican?

673 clgood  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:37:17pm

re: #636 Dar ul Harb

The Statement of Principles is still there. Or was a few seconds ago when I checked. Not sure why people here think it's gone. I won't link to it directly here, though.

Of course, they might really remove it eventually...

674 BLBfootballs  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:37:18pm

re: #661 ploome hineni

nope, not true

Ohh-kaay....

Don't know what free society you're thinking of.

675 GT Charlie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:37:36pm
...hell, I wouldn't piss on her to put the fire out.

Bub, I ain't going that far. If she stops by for a beer and she's too loaded to drive I'll let her stay the night.

GTC

676 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:37:38pm

re: #617 NY Nana

OMG! Take a look at it's karma!

lol...his latest yearbook picture.

677 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:37:48pm

I know I must learn brevity or I might loose some of the impact of the writing.

678 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:38:17pm

re: #645 MandyManners

I can never listen to this without tears spilling out of my eyes.


That was a such huge deal when it happened. The perfect version at the perfect time in the perfect setting (with a war on and with debate about security and possibly canceling the game IIR). Still gives me chills. I remember watching it in someone's dorm room and knowing I was watching something special as it happened.

679 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:38:47pm

re: #677 Marvo76

I know I must learn brevity or I might loose some of the impact of the writing.

While you're at it...oh, nevermind.

680 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:38:58pm

re: #672 Afrocity

Not that I am aware of. I think they have some Spanish relative of sorts. Not sure so I'd have to check.

681 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:39:18pm

re: #672 Afrocity

Isn't Laura Bush part Mexican?

GW's brother is married to an hispanic lady.

682 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:39:18pm

re: #662 tradewind

O/T Ruh-Roh...
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]
/He Hopes they Change their mind/

It was an important story, but you should have checked the date. It's from January 29th. I'm not down-dinging you, but be more observant please.

683 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:39:43pm

re: #672 Afrocity

Isn't Laura Bush part Mexican?

I think one of her BIL's married a woman of Mexican birth.

684 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:39:45pm
685 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:39:51pm

re: #672 Afrocity

Isn't Laura Bush part Mexican?

not that I ever heard...but I did hear that GWB digs a good taco

686 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:40:07pm

re: #671 reine.de.tout

Naw, just snuggled up to him . . .

jpimp

687 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:40:16pm

re: #677 Marvo76

I know I must learn brevity or I might loose some of the impact of the writing.

Maybe you should learn to not be a fucking idiot first.

688 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:40:26pm

re: #610 BLBfootballs

It is very hard for me to regard any public announcement by a Christian public figure that Jews are 'incomplete' without Jesus as 'mainstream and peaceful' for both historical and contemporary reasons.

I have worked and been close to many evangelical Christians in the past, people much more devout than Ann Frickin Coulter, and they all know better than to say things like that except when talking with very close friends or co-believers, because they understand how offensive it can be.

Coulter, of course, does not give a shit if she's offensive. As you point out, this is entirely her right, but it does not make me think much of her.

689 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:40:32pm

re: #683 MandyManners

I think one of her BIL's married a woman of Mexican birth.

I think Jeb's wife is Hispanic.

690 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:40:46pm

re: #634 reine.de.tout

oops.
They are both yours, just in there twice somehow.
So it must be doubly good?

It's awesome! I make mine from ground beef, but non-kosher Lizards could substitute their favorite ground pork, serve over hot dogs with chopped onions and mustard.

691 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:40:48pm
692 mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:40:55pm

re: #593 Charles

Here is a tidbit from 8_24_04.

Ernst Zundel, a revisionist writer who has been held in a Canadian prison since his deportation from the U.S. over a year and a half ago, has won an appeal in the Sixth Curcuit Federal Court.

In February 2003, Zundel was taken from his East Tennessee home and into custody on alleged immigration violations. He was immediately deported to Canada where he could face another deportation to Germany to serve a prison sentence for "defaming the dead", a law that is used exclusively to silence critics of the Holocaust...

Meanwhile, thousands of illegal aliens roaming all over Tennessee are ignored by the INS and by state and local law enforcement agencies.

693 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:41:27pm

re: #678 Bloodnok

That was a such huge deal when it happened. The perfect version at the perfect time in the perfect setting (with a war on and with debate about security and possibly canceling the game IIR). Still gives me chills. I remember watching it in someone's dorm room and knowing I was watching something special as it happened.

Goose-bumps all over my body. Heck, just playing it in my mind gives me goose-bumps.

694 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:41:28pm

re: #687 MandyManners

You may be right, but then again, you are not the first to say that to me.

695 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:41:40pm

re: #299 albusteve

and a bigtime fuck you...you are a clueless...what do you have against Texas?

re: #318 SpaceJesus

it's basically the most obnoxious place ever?

If you've got a better idea for keeping the liberals out, please let Texas know!

696 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:41:43pm

re: #647 reine.de.tout

re: #667 Afrocity

From Jesse Lee Petersons last appearance on Hannity (Feb 4th, I beleive)

“I think we all agree that Barack Obama was elected by, mostly by black racists and white guilty people. Most black Americans, 96 percent of them, are racist toward white Americans. And white folks feel guilty and they are afraid of being called racists."

[Link: www.newshounds.us...]

697 FlakMusic  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:41:47pm

re: #630 jorline

Thanks for your contribution to the cookbook. Reine has mentioned how helpful you were.

Thanks...my pleasure...please forgive the little bugs in our first effort.

And thanks for your contributions!

698 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:41:56pm

re: #517 Seaberry

Obama listened to that crap for 20-years, and I bring it up every time that I see white racism mentioned.

One racism does not excuse another, and only someone who desired the second racism to be acceptable would attempt to excuse or justify it by pointing to the first.

699 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:42:09pm

re: #671 reine.de.tout

re: #686 jorline

jpimp

just peed in my pants...lol

700 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:42:14pm

Here she is:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

701 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:42:21pm

brb, need to make evening cocoa and get jammys on.

702 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:42:31pm

re: #677 Marvo76

I know I must learn brevity or I might loose some of the impact of the writing.

In my case, you lost the entirety of it, as I just scrolled over...

703 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:42:42pm

re: #690 Alouette

It's awesome! I make mine from ground beef, but non-kosher Lizards could substitute their favorite ground pork, serve over hot dogs with chopped onions and mustard.

I reviewed and reviewed and reviewed that book, til my eyes were crossed.

We accidentally dropped Mandy's Egg Goop recipe.

and put one of yours in twice.
I hope that's the extent of it!

704 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:43:12pm

re: #695 gmsc

If you've got a better idea for keeping the liberals out, please let Texas know!

stay away from Austin...problem solved

705 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:43:13pm

Jeb's wife:

Columba Garnica Gallo

In case my last post was to cryptic.

706 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:43:15pm

re: #689 capitalist piglet

I think Jeb's wife is Hispanic.

Is he still a possible contender (no, that's not redundant for me) for 2012?

707 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:43:23pm

re: #536 Charles

This is what Ann Coulter wrote:


Republican politicians who had given speeches to a conservative group, the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), were branded sympathizers of white supremacists because some of the directors of the CC had, decades earlier, been leaders of a segregationist group, the Citizen Councils of America, which were founded in 1954. There is no evidence on its web page that the modern incarnation of the CCC supports segregation, though its "Statement of Principles" offers that the organization opposes "forced integration" and "efforts to mix the races of mankind." But mostly the principles refer to subjects such as a strong national defense, the right to keep and bear arms, the traditional family, and an "America First" trade policy.

Apart from some aggressive reporting on black-on-white crimes -- the very crimes that are aggressively hidden by the establishment media -- there is little on the CCC website suggesting that the group is a "thinly veiled white supremacist" organization, as the New York Times calls it in one of its more charitable descriptions.

Help me here. I agree with her on this these issues. Please don't trash me and tell me where I am wrong. I'm open minded, really....

708 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:43:25pm

re: #522 Sheepdogess

Pages please.?

Ask Charles; he's got the book and said so. I don't think he'd lie about this - it's too easily checked.

709 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:43:36pm

re: #696 sattv4u2

LOL. Partially true, even though I don't think EVERY black that voted for BO is a racist.

710 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:43:57pm

re: #693 MandyManners

Goose-bumps all over my body. Heck, just playing it in my mind gives me goose-bumps.

Wait a minute. That was 1991, I wasn't in college yet. Must have been at someone's house then. I'z sow confuz'd.

711 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:43:58pm

The CCC is pimping her book on their front page. Disgusting.

712 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:44:07pm

re: #707 Sheepdogess

Uh- because before that she glosses over the racism?

713 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:44:07pm

re: #672 Afrocity

Isn't Laura Bush part Mexican?

I don't think so, but Jeb Bush's wife is.

714 yesandno  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:44:14pm

re: #597 Afrocity

He is right. Everyday is like waking up from a nightmare for me- this Obama presidency. Sometimes I wish everything in the world was simpler. That blacks did not feel the need to elect this empty suit just to say "We got the prize".

Things actually are simple. We complicate them when we are trying to spin or put something across on someone else.

And I don't think it was the blacks who did it. Historically, blacks tend to vote for Democrats. So Obama didn't really get a "larger" proportion of blacks voting for him that tipped the scales. It was in a large part the whites who wanted to yell to the world how far they had come because they were sick of hearing they hadn't done enough over the past 40 years to end racism....a racism perpetuated as much by blacks as by whites.

When I went to an Obama rally and saw the number of middle class whites, young and old, many of upper economic status as well, I knew this was trouble. It was collective guilt about something many of my generation didn't cause...slavery and racism...and had done so much to end by joining the Civil Rights movement and all. And yet, people still claimed these folks were responsible for 400 years of history. So they decided to go along to get along.

Being an adult means accepting responsibility for things you do wrong. It also means you don't accept responsibility for things you didn't do.

715 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:44:18pm

re: #703 reine.de.tout

I reviewed and reviewed and reviewed that book, til my eyes were crossed.

We accidentally dropped Mandy's Egg Goop recipe.

and put one of yours in twice.
I hope that's the extent of it!

Just ordered my copy. My cookbook bookcase is getting crowded.

716 mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:44:23pm

After having waded through the pages of the CCC, I can't see any real difference between them and the John Birch Society.

717 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:44:32pm

Why is Ann white washing Eugenecists? I really thought she was supposed to be against that....

This from the May 25 2004 archive:

There is no doubt, however, that the Neo-Bolsheviks hate James L. Hart, the GOP candidate for the 8th Congressional District in Tennessee. Hart is running against incumbent Democrat John Tanner.
The Tennessee GOP establishment is in a panic after a eugenics advocate won the Republican primary to challenge an incumbent Democrat for Congress.
James L. Hart, an unemployed real estate agent, prevailed in the August 6 primary to become the Republican nominee for the 8th Congressional District. Hart beat a last-minute write-in candidate thrust into the race by the state party leadership.
Hart's campaign literature called for a program to discourage reproduction among "the less favored races of sub-Saharan Africa, which Hollywood continues to call black."
Despite bad press and Republican rants, Hart received 79% of the vote to handily whip his opponent. Over 5000 people cast ballots for Hart in a primary that drew only 20% of the electorate.

For the record, Hart got his Ass kicked by the Dem, Tanner

718 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:44:43pm

re: #701 Afrocity

brb, need to make evening cocoa and get jammys on.

Cocoa? I need a drink.

719 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:44:45pm

Good evening y'all - how is everyone doing tonight?

720 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:44:57pm

re: #709 Afrocity

LOL. Partially true, even though I don't think EVERY black that voted for BO is a racist.

He's hyperbolic at times, but he STRONGLY abhors black victimology

721 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:45:18pm

re: #685 albusteve

not that I ever heard...but I did hear that GWB digs a good taco

They're Texans...naturally.

722 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:45:34pm

re: #694 Marvo76

You may be right, but then again, you are not the first to say that to me.

THEN WHY DON'T YOU TAKE HEED?

Catch a clue, cup-cake. It's free for the taking.

723 clgood  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:46:24pm

re: #707 Sheepdogess

Help me here. I agree with her on this these issues. Please don't trash me and tell me where I am wrong. I'm open minded, really....

Wait. You're open minded but don't want to be told where you're wrong?

Okaaaaayyy...

Many of the principles mentioned on the CCC website are good ones, such as sovereignty, support for the second amendment, etc. But the devil, as they say, is in the details. Look beyond the paragraph headings and you'll see they've co-opted some good principles to wrap their racist crap in.

Would it kill you to read on your own?

724 Promethea  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:46:31pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

I wonder how many folks on the right don't seem to understand the damage caused by these nuts. I live in a liberal town and it's an uphill battle trying to get liberals to see another point of view because they think people like Coulter are what republicans are. I've worked with republican candidates who get the door shut in their faces the second "republican" passes their lips because morons like Ann have painted an extreme picture of our side of the aisle. It's not fair, but it's reality.

I'm sick of these kooks ruining our ability to solve serious problems in this country because they taint the electorate against us (with willing help from the mfm). They need to STFU, and they're not going to do it until we make them.

I face this problem in all my social dealings. The Republican party has a very negative image among many Americans. Being a "Republican" signifies to many people that one is racist and uncharitable.

The Republican party needs to make clear that it is for freedom, liberty, justice, and equal opportunities for all people. I hope Michael Steele can invigorate the party's image. It's an important job that has to be done.

725 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:46:46pm

re: #719 realwest

Fine, yourself?

We're all fired up about this CCC group.

Others (some not many) are blowing it off as a t-shirt problem.

726 albusteve  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:46:53pm

re: #721 SanFranciscoZionist

They're Texans...naturally.

I'm doin some burritos in a few minutes...home made...mmmm

727 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:46:53pm

re: #718 Sharmuta

After everything I've read today, I need something and it ain't cocoa.

728 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:47:03pm

re: #660 hazzyday

She didn't say "convert" she said "perfect the Jews". Different thing. The implication as I see is was that converting Jews would "perfect" them and that implies that they are imperfect otherwise. This is arrogant, condescending and probably similar things were uttered just before some bright light decided that a pogrom was also a way of "perfecting the Jews".

Get It?

Hey I'm a hick from Indiana and didn't become acquainted with my first Jew (that I knew was Jewish) (actually Jewess) until I was 25. I also "know" little about the religion and it's practices but it doesn't take a religious scholar to see that Ann's comment was insulting at best and could easily be seen as threatening.

729 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:47:09pm

re: #707 Sheepdogess

"he modern incarnation of the CCC supports segregation, though its "Statement of Principles" offers that the organization opposes "forced integration" and "efforts to mix the races of mankind."

This is a dishonest reading of their principles. If you look further, they drop the 'forced' and 'efforts' language and just talk about the 'mixing' which is what they have a problem with.

6. The traditional family is the basic unit of human society. We believe in the traditional family as the basic unit of human society and morality, and we oppose all efforts by the state and other powers to weaken the structure of the American family through toleration of sexual licentiousness, homosexuality and other perversions, mixture of the races, pornography in all forms, and subversion of the authority of parents."
730 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:47:22pm

re: #715 Alouette

Just ordered my copy. My cookbook bookcase is getting crowded.

I plan to buy a copy but I'm going to give to my mother. She's the first-rate cook in my family.

731 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:47:30pm

re: #581 Sleepyone

That's kind of uncool to call her a "tranny".

It's an insult to trannies.

732 reine.de.tout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:47:39pm

re: #696 sattv4u2

re: #667 Afrocity

From Jesse Lee Petersons last appearance on Hannity (Feb 4th, I beleive)

“I think we all agree that Barack Obama was elected by, mostly by black racists and white guilty people. Most black Americans, 96 percent of them, are racist toward white Americans. And white folks feel guilty and they are afraid of being called racists."


Ploome provided a link; somebody thinks Jesse Lee is a vile racist:

733 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:47:45pm

re: #722 MandyManners

consider it caught, and noted. I am not wishinga fight either, so can we bury the hatchet?

734 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:47:59pm

re: #717 Thanos

Why is Ann white washing Eugenecists? I really thought she was supposed to be against that....

This from the May 25 2004 archive:

Man ...the Political Cesspool ain't just a radio show.

735 Gretchen  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:48:51pm

No worries, once the Obama administration gets the Fairness Doctrine reinstated, talk radio will go first, then it will work so well, they'll extend it to publishing, so Ann will be gone. Don't get me wrong, if this group CCC is racist, I don't agree with Ann standing up to defend them, but I think she has a right to do so, regardless of whether I think she's right to do so.

Unfortunately, there will be no "Fairness Doctrine" for College professors or HS teachers.

I do agree with a previous poster, who laments the Black Caucus. It is racist.

736 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:48:53pm

re: #720 sattv4u2
Good evening. Uh, were you saying that Obama abhors black victimology? Did you forget the sarcasm tag there my friend?
Every time race was brought up in the Election it was Obama or his friends who brought it up - they did it against Hillary and they did it against McCain. I don't know Hillary all that well, but there's one thing I'm pretty damned sure of about McCain and that is that he is NOT a racist.

737 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:48:58pm

re: #716 mich-again

After having waded through the pages of the CCC, I can't see any real difference between them and the John Birch Society.

I wonder about that, too. Is this a white-washed version?

738 MJ  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:49:08pm

re: #593 Charles

Internet Archive saved pages from the CCC website:

[Link: cofcc.org...]

I expect them to try to do some hasty cleanup.

Well, I'm late to this thread but checking the link you provided, I see Joe Sobran is active with the CCC. Sobran was kicked off the National Review by Wm. F. Buckley who said Sobran was an antisemite, which, of course, he is.

[Link: web.archive.org...]

739 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:49:11pm

re: #714 yesandno

Things actually are simple. We complicate them when we are trying to spin or put something across on someone else.

And I don't think it was the blacks who did it. Historically, blacks tend to vote for Democrats. So Obama didn't really get a "larger" proportion of blacks voting for him that tipped the scales. It was in a large part the whites who wanted to yell to the world how far they had come because they were sick of hearing they hadn't done enough over the past 40 years to end racism....a racism perpetuated as much by blacks as by whites.

When I went to an Obama rally and saw the number of middle class whites, young and old, many of upper economic status as well, I knew this was trouble. It was collective guilt about something many of my generation didn't cause...slavery and racism...and had done so much to end by joining the Civil Rights movement and all. And yet, people still claimed these folks were responsible for 400 years of history. So they decided to go along to get along.

Being an adult means accepting responsibility for things you do wrong. It also means you don't accept responsibility for things you didn't do.

I have to say I do not think race had so very much to do with it. I think the cards were good for a Democratic contender, even had they been a two-headed armadillo, and I think people loved the young, hip vibe.

740 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:49:42pm

re: #716 mich-again

After having waded through the pages of the CCC, I can't see any real difference between them and the John Birch Society.

It's worse than the John Birch Society. It's more like Stormfront.

741 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:49:47pm

re: #708 Salamantis

Ask Charles; he's got the book and said so. I don't think he'd lie about this - it's too easily checked.

re: #574 Charles

I don't have the book - I'm quoting from the Kindle version which does not have page numbers.

Oops!

742 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:50:05pm

re: #724 Promethea

I face this problem in all my social dealings. The Republican party has a very negative image among many Americans. Being a "Republican" signifies to many people that one is racist and uncharitable.

The Republican party needs to make clear that it is for freedom, liberty, justice, and equal opportunities for all people. I hope Michael Steele can invigorate the party's image. It's an important job that has to be done.

Well- this is one political "hostage" that's not suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. I'm sick of this shit, and I'm getting a drink. After that, I'll be trying to figure out some viable solutions. Until then the best I've got is the rational among us need to get in the trenches.

743 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:50:24pm

re: #717 Thanos

Why is Ann white washing Eugenecists? I really thought she was supposed to be against that....

This from the May 25 2004 archive:


For the record, Hart got his Ass kicked by the Dem, Tanner

That whole episode was a massive cluster-fuck.

744 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:50:46pm

re: #677 Marvo76

I know I must learn brevity or I might loose some of the impact of the writing.

Well, certainly no racist would every post that!
The part about wanting to impeach Bush for not securing the borders brings a tear to my eye.

/sarc

745 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:50:49pm

re: #719 realwest

Good evening y'all - how is everyone doing tonight?

Hey, RW...how are you tonight?

746 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:50:55pm

re: #732 reine.de.tout

The Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons, Rev Wrights of the world abhor Peterson. Makes him a good guy in MY book right there!

747 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:51:14pm

re: #725 Gus 802 Uh, it's Ann Coulter, that's why I'm blowing it off; she doesn't now and NEVER has spoken for me; she will and usually does, say or do ANYTHING to sell books.

748 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:51:19pm

re: #711 MrPaulRevere

They just added that.

749 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:51:31pm

re: #739 SanFranciscoZionist

The impression I got around this neck of the woods, was anybody but Bush light (mcCain) it didn't matter if McCain was good enough or not they considered him to be to close to what Bush was even if the electorate didn't...

750 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:51:42pm

re: #736 realwest

Good evening. Uh, were you saying that Obama abhors black victimology? Did you forget the sarcasm tag there my friend?
Every time race was brought up in the Election it was Obama or his friends who brought it up - they did it against Hillary and they did it against McCain. I don't know Hillary all that well, but there's one thing I'm pretty damned sure of about McCain and that is that he is NOT a racist.

no ,,,,, Jesse Lee Peterson

751 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:52:03pm

re: #733 Marvo76

consider it caught, and noted. I am not wishinga fight either, so can we bury the hatchet?

You need to do some research here. Read. Absorb. Cogitate.

752 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:52:07pm

We've got people down-dinging the previous post now.

753 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:52:11pm

re: #747 realwest

Yeah, we know that of course. But we're thinking about the implications as it relates to future elections, her speaking at CPAC, and the rest of the story.

754 mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:52:23pm

Here is another entry from the August 24 2004 edition. Who would Jesus vote for.

Besides, the Libertarian Party today is riddled with Zionists and, in the final analysis, that is what is wrong with both the Republican and Democrat parties. Check my archives at [Link: www.conspiracypenpal.com...] for past columns that explicitly detail my antipathy toward Zionists of every stripe.

Jesus didn't choose Zionists when he was alive and he surely would not sign on board with them today. Don't forget that Zionists brought you every single war of any significance during the past 100 years. Zionists literally are drenched in the blood of others - hundreds of millions, soon to be billions, of others.

755 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:52:50pm

I just sent an email to Jon Caldera, a good friend of Coulter, with this information. I will let Lizards know if I get any answers.

756 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:52:58pm

re: #741 Salamantis
Uh, hi there Sal! "I don't think he'd lie about this - it's too easily checked."
Easily checked or not, I don't think Charles would lie.

757 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:53:13pm

re: #752 Charles

We've got people down-dinging the previous post now.

YOUR previous post!?!?!

758 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:53:26pm

re: #587 ploome hineni

this annoying individual

He's a darn fast talker. DARN fast.

759 unclassifiable  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:53:31pm

re: #719 realwest

Welcome to Ft Sumter. Charles fired the first shot. And Lincoln is nowhere to be found -- yet.

No it's not that bad but it may be by tomorrow morning.

760 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:53:55pm

re: #752 Charles

Seems to still be an infestation of paulbots. Because it seems to me that's what this fringe is- the ron paul type.

761 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:54:11pm

re: #752 Charles
Names, Charles, we want names of the ding downers!
Uh, please.

762 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:54:43pm

re: #750 sattv4u2
Who is Jesse Lee Peterson?

763 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:54:47pm
764 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:54:48pm

re: #754 mich-again

Here is another entry from the August 24 2004 edition. Who would Jesus vote for.

That's what Ann Coulter is defending.

765 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:54:54pm

re: #761 realwest

Just click the digit on the rating for the article.

766 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:54:57pm

CCC is trying to raise funds with their increased web traffic.

767 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:55:09pm

Well, good night all.

"One great thing about free speech is it gives the evil among us the rope they need to hang themselves."

I said that.

768 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:55:20pm

re: #758 Catttt

He's a darn fast talker. DARN fast.

Every time I've seen him, I think it's because he's SO excited that HE has the 'answers" and can't wait to get them out

769 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:55:36pm

re: #223 HoosierHoops

yea..she kind of did..I'd be embarrassed to repeat it..
Ann is like one of those girls when you were young that you thought was the nicest, coolest girl you ever met..only to find out later she was a pole dancer in Vegas...

Hey! Where do you get off slagging pole dancers like that? Don't you support single mothers?

///

770 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:56:06pm

re: #762 realwest

Who is Jesse Lee Peterson?

frequent guest on Hannity. Black conservative who rails against balck victimology

771 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:56:08pm

re: #764 Charles

Jesus didn't choose Zionists when he was alive and he surely would not sign on board with them today. Don't forget that Zionists brought you every single war of any significance during the past 100 years. Zionists literally are drenched in the blood of others - hundreds of millions, soon to be billions, of others.


Ugh.

772 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:56:15pm

Hate mail count now stands at 8.

773 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:56:59pm

re: #752 Charles

We've got people down-dinging the previous post now.

The usual bunch of jerks, right? They don't have the guts to face us head-to-head. Screw 'em (with a railroad spike).

774 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:57:14pm

re: #762 realwest

re: #770 sattv4u2

frequent guest on Hannity. Black conservative who rails against balck victimology

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

775 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:57:30pm

re: #759 unclassifiable
Uh, Charles fired the first shot at today's version of Ft. Sumter? Sorry, I don't understand that.

776 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:58:15pm

re: #735 Gretchen


No worries, once the Obama administration gets the Fairness Doctrine reinstated, talk radio will go first, then it will work so well, they'll extend it to publishing, so Ann will be gone. Don't get me wrong, if this group CCC is racist, I don't agree with Ann standing up to defend them, but I think she has a right to do so, regardless of whether I think she's right to do so.

Unfortunately, there will be no "Fairness Doctrine" for College professors or HS teachers.

I do agree with a previous poster, who laments the Black Caucus. It is racist.

Spot on.


Intellectual vanity--the tendency to mistake simplicity for stupidity, and convolution for eloquence-- But who's actually more intelligent, someone who can simplify complicated matters, or someone who is compelled to complicate simple ones?

777 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:58:21pm

re: #754 mich-again

Here is another entry from the August 24 2004 edition. Who would Jesus vote for.

My, what lovely people you're defending, Ann.

/sarc

778 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:58:32pm

re: #765 Sharmuta
Ah, ok, I thought Charles mean individual comments were being dinged down.
BBIAM.

779 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:58:37pm

re: #752 Charles

We've got people down-dinging the previous post now.

Coma coma down, dinging doo ding down
Coma coma down, dinging doo ding down
Dinging up is hard to do

780 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:58:38pm

charles I apologize I notice it is now deleted, I wrote it based on events that had happened recent to the time.

781 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:58:41pm

re: #312 Sheepdogess

No man would have her and she doesn't need a man. She's quite happy alone.

This is unfair. She's better looking than some, and her temper isn't as bad as some. If the rumor mill is right, at least one man has had her.

782 unclassifiable  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:58:53pm

re: #759 unclassifiable

Well maybe not exactly accurate.

Perhaps Concord would be more appropriate.

783 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:59:04pm

re: #768 sattv4u2

Every time I've seen him, I think it's because he's SO excited that HE has the 'answers" and can't wait to get them out

I prefer to watch his clips online, because I can rerun and pause and take it all in.

784 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:59:17pm

Goodnight Lizards. I work in the financial industry and even though the market is closed my boss seems to think I should be in to watch the phone not ring.

785 OnTheRightSide  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:59:18pm

First, the CCC is clearly racist and disgusting.

But extend the quote and put it in context. Coulter was comparing the situation to the church Obama went to, and how guilt by association is only applied to non-lefties. She doesn't deny the group is racist, and uses it to make her point, if you read the chapter.

786 athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:59:41pm

re: #740 Charles

It's worse than the John Birch Society. It's more like Stormfront.

Absolutely. If we are going to stand on our values, then we have to make sure that our values are consistent. We cannot make exceptions for other conservatives who leap to defend an organization just because the NYT or other liberal mouthpiece attacks it - we cannot make exceptions because we might share a common enemy - and we cannot make exceptions towards our values otherwise we weaken the very foundation of our ideas, beliefs, and credibility.

Fringe groups love times like these because they can and will use the fear and anger of many to gain recognition and support that they otherwise could not possibly hope to get. Falling into that trap does not make our side stronger, but all of our enemies stronger because they will use these odious linkages to discredit us....and it only needs the slightest veracity of truth in order to damn us totally. Rather than address the bigger picture, we will be marginalized into a very narrow no-win form of argument around if we knew how really odious the organization was.

If those who claim to be on our side see their error and admit their mistake to support or defend an odious organization, then we need to accept that and move on. However, if they pull an Atlas or a Spencer, then by all means we have to distance ourselves from them as they embrace the fringe and ultimately stand to support all that goes against our core values.

Let's not become what we are fighting. We are better than that and can win with our values intact.

787 mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:59:48pm

re: #740 Charles

It's worse than the John Birch Society. It's more like Stormfront.

True.

788 Gella  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 8:59:55pm

i a bit late here, but i always knew this chick is insane

789 unclassifiable  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:00:10pm

re: #775 realwest

See #782

I am getting a little tired.

I probably should retire for the night.

790 Killer Tomato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:00:31pm

re: #742 Sharmuta

Well- this is one political "hostage" that's not suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. I'm sick of this shit, and I'm getting a drink. After that, I'll be trying to figure out some viable solutions. Until then the best I've got is the rational among us need to get in the trenches.

I was doing some poking around and found the Republican Liberty Caucus - looked interesting... so who's one of the members of their Board of Advisors? Ron Paul. Gah

791 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:00:52pm

re: #754 mich-again

Here is another entry from the August 24 2004 edition. Who would Jesus vote for.

Blasphemy.

792 athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:00:54pm

re: #760 Sharmuta

Well, Paul does have that linkage to Stormfront....and had no problem accepting their support and cash.

793 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:01:13pm

re: #784 Bloodnok

Goodnight Lizards. I work in the financial industry and even though the market is closed my boss seems to think I should be in to watch the phone not ring.

You getting paid for it? If so, then whats the problem !

(this, typed from a guy sitting at work posting on the interwebby with nothing else scheduled at work till 6;30 am)

794 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:01:30pm

OT, sorry.

Hey folks: Does anyone here recommend a translation of the Koran? I'm looking for simple, straightforward, maybe with some commentary if it's good.

795 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:01:38pm

re: #785 OnTheRightSide

that the good revernd Wright is racist is prety blatant

796 GT Charlie  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:01:50pm

re: #698 Salamantis

One racism does not excuse another, and only someone who desired the second racism to be acceptable would attempt to excuse or justify it by pointing to the first.

Precisely!

C

797 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:01:52pm

re: #792 athos

Well, Paul does have that linkage to Stormfront....and had no problem accepting their support and cash.

And CPAC doesn't seem to be bothered by this!

798 NY Nana  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:02:08pm

re: #579 FlakMusic

Ordered! BTW, your and Jaunte's art work is just amazing!

799 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:02:13pm

Good night, y'all ideologically pure moderates.

800 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:02:16pm

re: #794 SanFranciscoZionist

OT, sorry.

Hey folks: Does anyone here recommend a translation of the Koran? I'm looking for simple, straightforward, maybe with some commentary if it's good.

and pictures ,,,,, you'll want plenty of colorful pictures !

//

801 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:02:17pm

re: #790 Killer Tomato

I was doing some poking around and found the Republican Liberty Caucus - looked interesting... so who's one of the members of their Board of Advisors? Ron Paul. Gah

*verybigsigh*

802 pbird  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:02:28pm

re: #312 Sheepdogess

No man would have her and she doesn't need a man. She's quite happy alone.

You don't know that. You're just being snotty.

803 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:03:02pm

re: #696 sattv4u2

re: #732 reine.de.tout

re: #629 ploome hineni

A great guy and the real deal, unlike our phony AA president.

804 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:03:10pm

re: #781 lostlakehiker

This is unfair. She's better looking than some, and her temper isn't as bad as some. If the rumor mill is right, at least one man has had her.

Hmmm, would I hit that?

Nah...

I've had better

805 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:03:41pm

re: #794 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: etext.virginia.edu...]

806 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:04:01pm

Hate mail means your enemy is listening. It' a good thing!

807 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:04:13pm

re: #765 Sharmuta
Huh. There were only 3 ding downers: Clonetrooper, df01103 and tai-pan and I have to say I don't recognize any of them.

808 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:04:35pm

re: #805 Marvo76

[Link: etext.virginia.edu...]

Thanks.

809 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:04:56pm

re: #784 Bloodnok

Goodnight Lizards. I work in the financial industry and even though the market is closed my boss seems to think I should be in to watch the phone not ring.

Bummer. We actually all have the day off!

810 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:04:56pm

re: #786 athos

Well said, my friend.

811 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:05:04pm
812 NY Nana  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:05:05pm

re: #781 lostlakehiker

If the rumor mill is right, at least one man has had her.

And returned to sender C.O.D. ASAP

813 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:05:21pm

re: #785 OnTheRightSide

First, the CCC is clearly racist and disgusting.

But extend the quote and put it in context. Coulter was comparing the situation to the church Obama went to, and how guilt by association is only applied to non-lefties. She doesn't deny the group is racist, and uses it to make her point, if you read the chapter.

Leaving guilt aside; If you associate with bad people, you end up looking bad.

814 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:05:21pm

I don't agree. As much as I dislike Rev. Wright I don't see the moral or political equivalence there. Wright represents a not so untypical inner city black church and the history of that church is minute in its controversy compared to a group with ties to Wallace and the Jim Crow days.

815 MPH  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:05:28pm

re: #50 Charles

Good. Lord.

This is why I refused numerous invitations to attend CPAC. The "conservative movement" is apparently in the midst of a massive meltdown.

I was considering going down this year because Pajamas Media is supposed to have a side presence there of some sort -- Conservatism 2.0. I doubt I'll go now, considering who they are bringing in with the attendance fees.

I still hate the word conservative and am skeptical every time I hear it. It is those on the left who are seeking 20th century big government solutions to present day problems who seem to be the conservative, backwards looking ones.

There is a sort of symbiotic relationship the conservative far left has with the conservative religious right. They feed off of each other, always to the detriment of the rest of us.

816 unclassifiable  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:05:34pm

re: #794 SanFranciscoZionist

How about this one.

817 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:05:50pm

re: #792 athos

Well, Paul does have that linkage to Stormfront....and had no problem accepting their support and cash.

Ron Paul's spoken at their gatherings, I'm surprised Ann didn't mention him since they'll be speaking at CPAC together.

818 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:06:19pm

re: #808 SanFranciscoZionist

"16.11": He causes to grow for you thereby herbage

Who knew?

819 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:06:29pm

re: #804 esch

Hmmm, would I hit that?

Nah...

I've had better

As if anyone you desire would fall down at your feet, right, Prince Charming? /

820 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:06:37pm

Comparing it to Nation of Islam would be more appropriate.

821 Marvo76  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:06:39pm

well I have shot myself in the foot enough for tonight I guess I need to finish removing my toenails from my lip as well. good night Lizzards My bed and a 6 am alarm for the kiddies calls.....

822 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:07:39pm

By the way, if this means I'm going to be hounded out of the so-called 'conservative movement,' because I won't stand for white supremacism -- or for people who attempt to soft-pedal and make excuses for it -- then I have two words.

Buh bye.

823 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:42pm

re: #802 pbird

I actually do, and I'm not snotty, and she's actually a nice person, really (and she does frighten men ;^)

824 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:45pm
825 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:51pm

How long a string can be used for an article title? My browser buttons are having fits and can't show me a tip for what page they lead to. Dang browser programmers didn't think anyone would want a 62 character page title. that doesn't count the "little green footballs -" lead so that makes it a 86 character long title.

826 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:09:30pm

re: #821 Marvo76

well I have shot myself in the foot enough for tonight I guess I need to finish removing my toenails from my lip as well. good night Lizzards My bed and a 6 am alarm for the kiddies calls.....

You should have heeded my advice!

(when in a hole ,, stop digging)

You're young ,, you'll learn!

827 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:09:35pm

re: #821 Marvo76

Good night, Marvo. You may chalk tonight up as a life lesson: Learn to be careful with the sides you take. If you jump to conclusions, you won't like where you land.

828 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:09:39pm

re: #824 ploome hineni

To electrons. We're talking about CCC here so you should be able to conclude who or what I'm talking about.

829 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:10:01pm
830 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:10:33pm

re: #813 Dark_Falcon

I had a good friend thirty years ago who was a seller of, a, well, illegal, uh stuff.....Am I bad?

831 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:10:44pm

re: #822 CharlesI cant imagine you being "hounded out of the Conservative Movement" simply because NO ONE can pretend to speak for the Conservative Movement these days.
And if Coulter wants to dance with Neo-Nazi's, then if William F. Buckley Jr. were still alive he'd drum HER out of the Conservative Movement, a la Pat Buchanan.

832 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:10:50pm

re: #735 Gretchen

No worries, once the Obama administration gets the Fairness Doctrine reinstated, talk radio will go first, then it will work so well, they'll extend it to publishing, so Ann will be gone. Don't get me wrong, if this group CCC is racist, I don't agree with Ann standing up to defend them, but I think she has a right to do so, regardless of whether I think she's right to do so.

Unfortunately, there will be no "Fairness Doctrine" for College professors or HS teachers.

I do agree with a previous poster, who laments the Black Caucus. It is racist.

Yeah, this is America. Everyone who chooses to here has a right to be racist. But it's a dumb fucking political party or movement that embraces such people. Not to mention morally reprehensible.

833 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:11:04pm

re: #822 Charles

By the way, if this means I'm going to be hounded out of the so-called 'conservative movement,' because I won't stand for white supremacism -- or for people who attempt to soft-pedal and make excuses for it -- then I have two words.

Buh bye.

Agreed - but those who are doing the hounding, are not conservatives. They're just another flavor of fascists.

(Perhaps its time for the 'Common Sense' movement?)

834 unclassifiable  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:11:11pm

re: #822 Charles

That's a lot of restraint there in them two words.

Take care lizards.

Good night.

835 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:11:26pm

re: #822 Charles

That would be their loss and a grievous error on their part. How would the headline read?

Charles Johnson Ousted From Conservative Movement for not Defending White Supremacy Group

Film @ 11.

836 NY Nana  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:13:35pm

re: #565 yochanan

Yochanan,

Thank you! BTW, how is your son in the IDF doing?

837 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:13:57pm

re: #835 Gus 802
And as I said in my #831 who would say it? I mean with any kind of legitimate standing to do so?

838 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:14:23pm

re: #822 Charles

By the way, if this means I'm going to be hounded out of the so-called 'conservative movement,' because I won't stand for white supremacism -- or for people who attempt to soft-pedal and make excuses for it -- then I have two words.

Buh bye.

You won't be hounded out if I have anything to say about it, Charles. You are a ray of sanity in crazy times. I'll always work to make sure you are welcome at the table. I'll never let the movement give you up. And on that note:

839 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:15:26pm

re: #764 Charles

And here is more from that writer Edgar Steele who was featured in the CCC newsletter.. Hate Speech: Anything Jews Hate to Hear

Remember who is pushing all this censorship. Jews like Bernie Farber, of the CJC, now on the trail of poor Mr. Hussain, whose crime was printing an essay that told the truth. Because jewish feelings were hurt.

Let's not forget who took over Russia early last century. American jews went to Russia and overthrew the Tsar, using American jewish banker money. One of the first things they did was to outlaw antisemitism, the very thing that is being attempted in America today. Before they were done, over 20 million white Russian Christians were slaughtered (over 40 million, if you believe Alexander Solzhenitsyn) by the Russian communist jews, people who started out by seeking to stop expressions of antisemitism, because jewish feelings were getting hurt.

Those are some classy folks you are standing up for Ann.

840 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:16:03pm

re: #810 Sharmuta

Thank you.

The data connection was rough tonight in Simi Valley, so it was difficult to comment more earlier. Even more disappointing were the numbers of people who were in line to ask BOR questions - I wanted his take on things like this...and was going to use this thread as an example since Coulter is a regular guest. So, I will email the question to him and see if he will respond.

841 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:16:17pm

re: #706 MandyManners

Is he still a possible contender (no, that's not redundant for me) for 2012?

I have no idea...I haven't heard anything about him for a while now.

842 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:16:59pm

re: #785 OnTheRightSide

First, the CCC is clearly racist and disgusting.

But extend the quote and put it in context. Coulter was comparing the situation to the church Obama went to, and how guilt by association is only applied to non-lefties. She doesn't deny the group is racist, and uses it to make her point, if you read the chapter.

And her point is that if Democrats are willing to forgive Obama's ties with Wright, that Repubs should be willing to forgive some conservatives' and Republicans' ties with white supremacists. Sorry, but I don't buy that - and never will.

843 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:17:13pm

re: #814 Gus 802

I don't agree. As much as I dislike Rev. Wright I don't see the moral or political equivalence there. Wright represents a not so untypical inner city black church and the history of that church is minute in its controversy compared to a group with ties to Wallace and the Jim Crow days.

I don't agree there. Liberation theology is not minute, and Rev. Wright is just one example of it, via his The black value system, which he has said grew out of black liberation theology. They are just as hateful in their way as white-power people are in their way. They are two sides of the hate coin that both devolve to hatred of the guy who isn't like them.

844 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:17:40pm

re: #830 Sheepdogess

I had a good friend thirty years ago who was a seller of, a, well, illegal, uh stuff.....Am I bad?

No. That is comparably minor compared to the vile thoughts of the CCC. And I said look bad, not that you necessarily would be bad.

845 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:18:13pm

re: #839 Mich-again

The group is very "anti-neocon" and it runs back to Reagan's days when he booted their pick for Bill Bennett.

846 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:18:38pm

re: #831 realwest

Great point! Since Mr. Buckley isn't with us any longer, then the rest of us need to step up and do that.

847 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:19:32pm

re: #293 Slumbering Behemoth

The swastika is a simple symbol that was independently conceived by a variety of unconnected cultures (like the circle or the square), and often had benevolent or innocuous meanings such as "life", "peace", "Sun", and so on.

You mean like the US Army 45th Infantry Division (pre-WWII, of course)?

Or Finnish air force personnel?

848 Gretchen  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:21:09pm

re: #832 Salamantis

Yeah, this is America. Everyone who chooses to here has a right to be racist. But it's a dumb fucking political party or movement that embraces such people. Not to mention morally reprehensible.

I absolutely agree. I won't purchase her books. She isn't helpful to conservatives who are already considered racist for non-racial based beliefs like being anti-illegal immigration, anti-welfare, anti-race based quotas and anti-Obama.

849 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:22:26pm

re: #848 Gretchen

How many of her books have you read?

850 pbird  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:23:11pm

re: #823 Sheepdogess

I actually do, and I'm not snotty, and she's actually a nice person, really (and she does frighten men ;^)

OK

851 OnTheRightSide  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:25:33pm

re: #842 Salamantis

If that is her point, then I don't agree with it either.

852 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:25:35pm

re: #682 Dark_Falconre: #682 Dark_Falcon
Well whew... that's a relief, teach. It's so tough, living in fear of a ding, and you spared me.

853 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:26:14pm

re: #846 Athos

I think he'd have liked Ann, in a weird sort of way.

854 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:28:06pm
855 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:32:24pm

re: #723 clgood

I read the book. I didn't see the racism. Did you read the book!

856 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:33:47pm

re: #854 Iron Fist

I still hope that the GOP will not write them off - that the GOP will return to a message stressing the basic core values of this country - especially the value and importance of self-reliance.

Given how the Democratic party has taken the black vote for granted, for their misrepresentation of the history of the civil rights movement and civil rights act - and there is still very little fundamental change in the numbers and conditions of the urban black poor in this country - contrasting them to the suburban, two parent, educated, blacks who operate on our core values like self-reliance is a message I think would resonate to those who are tired of being taken for granted.

857 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:39:13pm

Well, this is a disappointment. I never had any of Coulter's books, but I liked hearing her speak and I liked how she would throw the Left in to catatonic fits. But, this merits my scorn, and rightfully so. I have no race hatred in me, nor do I want the company of those who do.

I should heed my own advice, never fall in love with any political figure, as they will break your heart every time.

858 gman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:39:40pm

re: #707 Sheepdogess

Apart from some aggressive reporting on black-on-white crimes -- the very crimes that are aggressively hidden by the establishment media -- there is little on the CCC website suggesting that the group is a "thinly veiled white supremacist" organization, as the New York Times calls it in one of its more charitable descriptions.

Help me here. I agree with her on this these issues. Please don't trash me and tell me where I am wrong. I'm open minded, really....

Are you open minded enough to go take a look at the website?
I did and I would even go as far as to say that the New York Times was being generous with the words "thinly veiled."

859 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:39:51pm
860 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:44:02pm

re: #854 Iron Fist

Obama's half-African, I'll grant you, but he doesn't have the cultural links to African Americans. If his family was involved in any way with slavery, it would be on the side of the slavers.

Yet he seemed to be the voice of Black America as he took, what, 95% of the vote. That is a sobering thought. For all intents and purposes All blacks voted for him. There ain't nobody who didn't vote for the Obamessiah going to go home to grandma's Christmas dinner and speak up about it. It wouldn't be prudent.

Yes, the black community voted for him based on his skin color which makes them racist.

861 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:45:29pm
862 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:49:44pm

re: #858 gman

Please quote specifics from their website.

863 gman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:50:30pm

re: #860 Sheepdogess

Yes, the black community voted for him based on his skin color which makes them racist.

How did these 2 threads go from talking about Ann Coulter to talking about Obama? You can try and deflect the issue but it's not going away.

864 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:55:10pm

re: #852 tradewind

re: #682 Dark_Falcon
Well whew... that's a relief, teach. It's so tough, living in fear of a ding, and you spared me.

Please don't be so sarcastic, TW. I was trying to correct what I thought was an error. Some people get hostile if you down-ding them, so I was letting you know I wouldn't do so. I wasn't trying to be condescending, and if I came across that way, I apologize.

865 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:59:44pm

re: #863 gman

How did these 2 threads go from talking about Ann Coulter to talking about Obama?

The same way ID and evolution threads eventually get splattered with AGW. Some folks can't handle logical arguments nor the presentation of solid facts, so they attempt to derail topics with blatant non sequiturs.

866 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:01:04pm
867 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:03:22pm

I'm sorry. I won't allow links to that website. If you want to repost without that link, it's fine.

868 gman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:03:54pm

August 22, 2004
re: #862 Sheepdogess

Please quote specifics from their website.

OK, since you don't want to look yourself:

This an excerpt from the August 22, 2004 of the CCC national newspaper

Avowed Eugenicist Wins
GOP Primary in Tennessee

Neo-Bolsheviks, who are mostly jounalists, academics, or struggling actors, have dew-dropped a tart little phrase into blogspeak that is supposed to justify sewing the lips of anyone who talks about racial reality: "Hate speech is not free speech." Now whether this means the Neo-Bolsheviks hate what is being said, or what is being said is hateful, is open to interpretation.

There is no doubt, however, that the Neo-Bolsheviks hate James L. Hart, the GOP candidate for the 8th Congressional District in Tennessee. Hart is running against incumbent Democrat John Tanner.

The Tennessee GOP establishment is in a panic after a eugenics advocate won the Republican primary to challenge an incumbent Democrat for Congress.

James L. Hart, an unemployed real estate agent, prevailed in the August 6 primary to become the Republican nominee for the 8th Congressional District. Hart beat a last-minute write-in candidate thrust into the race by the state party leadership.

Hart's campaign literature called for a program to discourage reproduction among "the less favored races of sub-Saharan Africa, which Hollywood continues to call black."

Despite bad press and Republican rants, Hart received 79% of the vote to handily whip his opponent. Over 5000 people cast ballots for Hart in a primary that drew only 20% of the electorate.

869 BLBfootballs  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:07:24pm

re: #858 gman

Are you open minded enough to go take a look at the website?
I did and I would even go as far as to say that the New York Times was being generous with the words "thinly veiled."

I'd agree with that. Lovely: the only "conservatives" (BLECH!) the NYT is generous to are f****ng white supremacists!

870 Karagush  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:10:08pm

Charles you need to see something on the overnight thread at ace of spades.

871 gman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:12:03pm

re: #862 Sheepdogess

Please quote specifics from their website.

Here's another one:

from November 5, 2004 edition of the CCC National Newspaper

Poor, Black, and Fat

...Consider some of the facts about fat poverty. Jefferson County, Mississippi, is home to the highest percentage of morbidly obese citizens in the nation. Coincidentally, people in this same area spend more time watching television than any one else. And a majority of these tele-chubbies are black and, according to the government, unemployed and impoverished. Put simply, Mississippi is toting a load of fat blacks on welfare...

...Obesity is guilty by association with a lavish welfare system, which is now luring illegal aliens to belly up to the table. Fattened latinos, who are already squeezing through the doors of public health facilities to get free treatment for tuberculosis and other medieval diseases, will eventually be as incapacitated by gelatinous physiques as their black codependents.

Perhaps the fable of Hansel and Grettel provides food for thought to hapless taxpayers angered by the steady stream of brown and black jelly-bellies waddling up to the social services gingerbread house.

872 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:12:16pm

re: #370 BLBfootballs

I'm very aware of that. And IMO many of those Jews need to take a breather, take a step back and ponder the context of those statements and that belief for a minute or two. (First off, I'm not even sure that "most Jews don't see it that way" -- though I am certain that most Jewish leftists don't see it that way.)

I don't know how to put it other than: the belief that Jews could "perfect" themselves by accepting Christianity is a standard and early component of Christian doctrine, and has probably become a lot more prominent since the growth of evangelical Protestantism began. Fine.

I don't know why a religious group living in America, subscribing to American laws and the American value system (including liberty and e pluribus unum) should be asked to relinquish their religious belief.

America is not medieval Europe. And American Christianity is very much not European Catholicism. Jewish/Christian relations in America are a striking example of how ideological beliefs can have utterly different outcomes when the context and culture in which they are held changes.

All Ann Coulter is guilty of in that remark is enunciating aloud what millions and millions of decent religious Christians in America believe. You may find those sentiments theologically offensive or uncomfortable, but they're not morally wrong or even improper. Unlike the case in old Europe most of the Americans who hold that belief are the salt of the earth. Their welcoming attitude and respect for Jews and Judaism is just one example of why.


salt of the earth, maybe. ignorant rednecks with a creepy revelations outlook on the israel-palestine conflict? yep.

873 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:12:30pm

re: #870 Karagush

Charles you need to see something on the overnight thread at ace of spades.

Can you repost it or provide a link?

874 ladycatnip  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:12:31pm

Sorry, Charles. My point was when reading the entire chapter it appears she is just making analogies of extreme opposites - the racist right and the racist left - with the media ignoring Obama's ties to the racist left but hammering Lott and Barr for speaking at the CCC.

I actually for a moment believed that was all she was doing until I went to the CCC website. I was appalled. It is racist, rabid, and white supremacist. I can't for the life of me understand why Coulter would minimize it in her book.

Very disturbing.

875 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:14:49pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

Do not trust the pusher robot. Please stand by the stairs.


goons spotted itt

876 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:15:00pm

re: #871 gman

Wow. That's unbelievable. Wonder how they'll talk their way out of that one.

877 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:15:56pm

re: #871 gman

Dear God, but is that vile. I'd like to take the man who wrote that to meet the staff of the store I work at. We have people of pretty much every race. I like to introduce him, read what he wrote, and then make him listen to my co-worker's replies. The only problem would be cleaning up after his bigoted brain melted down and oozed out his ears.

878 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:17:02pm

re: #875 SpaceJesus

goons spotted itt

Well, SJ, I'll ask you: What is "The Terrible Secret of Space"?

879 hazzyday  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:17:31pm

Either Coulter seriously errors here with superficial research and a shallow perspective and should retract or she is trying use her conservative persona to act as an intermediary and move some white racism closer to conservative causes. A rock and a hard place.

I think she is media savvy and smart. I think she read those website words differently than I did. Maybe she is wishing to see good things in evil people and that leads her to her cognitive dissonance. Maybe she has never met a white racist she didn't like? I'm 100 percent positive the web site is a white power website. Typically trying to cloak their inner motives with words common people accept but have different meanings for.

Before the internet these people could hide under the rocks and never have them turned over. Post internet it ain't so. What we still see as lax is leaders thinking facisim, racism, corruption are all ok. Or the people portraying those things are so indispensable it can be overlooked. Like the CEO's in charge of the financial problems all of these people are easily replaced.

We illusion ourselves though if we think everyone should have the same perspective. Our own relatives although on the internet may not be vested in understanding these same issues.

880 Karagush  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:18:39pm

[Link: minx.cc...]

take a look. its the comments that got ugly. The blog itself is fine just an open overnight thread. Appears to be concern trolls. Im kind of ill equipped to fight this stink with truth.

881 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:20:19pm

re: #880 Karagush

[Link: minx.cc...]

take a look. its the comments that got ugly. The blog itself is fine just an open overnight thread. Appears to be concern trolls. Im kind of ill equipped to fight this stink with truth.

Thanks, I saw it, and it's just more of the same crap.

But that person who dissed me, and then bragged about using my spinoff links to boost their site's traffic is now blocked, and all the links he/she/it posted are deleted.

882 SpaceJesus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:23:03pm

re: #878 Dark_Falcon

Well, SJ, I'll ask you: What is "The Terrible Secret of Space"?


It does not matter, I am here to protect you

883 gman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:23:34pm

The current director of the CCC:
Gordon Lee Baum

Guess who headed the White Citizens' Council?
Gordon Lee Baum

884 Karagush  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:24:29pm

thanks for the attention Charles. Ace runs a good blog but that sudden outburst seemed weird in the comments.

885 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:27:11pm

I don't understand, if different races don't mix with white folk, how can they be "perfected" Ann?

/////// sarc right.

It really seems to me that in a desperate bid to maintain some degree of attention, Ann became the Amy Winehouse of the Conservative world.

886 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:28:13pm

re: #880 Karagush

[Link: minx.cc...]

take a look. its the comments that got ugly. The blog itself is fine just an open overnight thread. Appears to be concern trolls. Im kind of ill equipped to fight this stink with truth.

OK, I take the Bill Maher approval back. The man is a world class ass and I forgot for a moment. I hereby beg forgiveness.

887 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:29:12pm

re: #882 SpaceJesus

It does not matter, I am here to protect you

I feel safer already. Good comeback, I liked it.

888 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:29:52pm

re: #884 Karagush

thanks for the attention Charles. Ace runs a good blog but that sudden outburst seemed weird in the comments.

There are people who make it their business to go from blog to blog trashing me. C'est la vie.

889 gman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:31:41pm

re: #884 Karagush

thanks for the attention Charles. Ace runs a good blog but that sudden outburst seemed weird in the comments.

Looks like all the people who couldn't have their way over here are whining over there.
and it's a sure sign when they say they are tired of a certain topic it isn't because they are tired of it, it's because it makes them feel "uncomfortable"

890 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:36:40pm

re: #880 Karagush

I replied on that thread at Ace's.

891 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:36:52pm

Actually, I have to get off my chest that Ann has been angering me more and more as time goes on. As she makes herself more and more outrageous, one has desperately to ask what she does to "this side of the aisle" as a well know representative of GOP values. In a very real sense, she has become a Moby.

892 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:40:24pm

re: #891 LudwigVanQuixote

Bingo! A trillion updings if I could.

893 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:41:16pm

I should also hope that it goes without saying that I am appalled by racists of all kinds. I am feeling guilty for not making that my first objection, rather than than talking about the damage she does by making a great talking point for Dems.

894 Karagush  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:41:36pm

re: #890 MrPaulRevere

I replied on that thread at Ace's.

i know and i liked your reply
the problems that its not just one thing its lots of things
and the one instance isnt the problem its the lotta little things that go wih it. I have no head for deatals and can hardly paste a link so i feel woefully inadiquate to say anything.
thanks for the backup. much appreciated

895 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:42:20pm

re: #892 MrPaulRevere

Bingo! A trillion updings if I could.

Thanks.

896 Macker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:45:50pm

re: #881 Charles

Thanks, I saw it, and it's just more of the same crap.

But that person who dissed me, and then bragged about using my spinoff links to boost their site's traffic is now blocked, and all the links he/she/it posted are deleted.

I would say at this point that the commenter you blocked should forever be designated as an "it."

897 harlequin  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:47:40pm
(2) We believe the United States is a European country and that Americans are part of the European people. We believe that the United States derives from and is an integral part of European civilization and the European people and that the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character

Doesn't that kinda sum it up right there?

898 mcmeador  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:03:51pm

I guess I'm not really understanding why Charles is so adamantly against this site for their hateful views to the point that he won't even allow links to the site, but he posted a video by Pat Condell in which he said that he buys beer not because he likes it, but because it offends Islam. And then there are the other videos by Pat Condell, which I don't believe have been posted here. In these he calls religion evil or refers to Islam, Judaism, and Christianity as "insults to humanity" or something along those lines, and says that faith does not deserve respect. He made it quite clear that his point is to just be plain offensive to Christians by posting a video titled "Happy Easter" in the days before Easter 2007 in which he just ranted about how ridiculous Christian beliefs are.

Basically, what I'm saying is Pat Condell's videos are pretty hateful too. I'm not even particularly religious, but they offend me just because he is so hateful about it and apparently just feels that he must offend people. It's one thing if people are using their religious beliefs to harm you or are trying to impose their beliefs on you. But Condell rails against religious people simply because they are religious with no exceptions made, and that is hate speech too. I'll give Charles the benefit of the doubt and assume maybe he didn't realize how offensive some of Condell's other videos were when he gave him publicity on this site.

899 abolitionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:08:46pm

re: #595 Cato the Elder

Just curious - is Palin going to show up at this CPAC affair?

From this link:
re: #309 MandyManners

This year's agenda.

a clue:

2:00
Sarah Palin Unplugged on the Media Video Interview
Diplomat Ballroom
Sponsored by "Media Malpractice" Movie
Speaker: John Ziegler and special guest

Not conclusive, of course.

900 gman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:12:00pm

re: #898 mcmeador

I guess I'm not really understanding why Charles is so adamantly against this site for their hateful views to the point that he won't even allow links to the site

Did you not read any of the posts above?

901 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:23:17pm
902 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:28:49pm

re: #901 daveycrockett

Perhaps a website that favors lock-step icon worship would be more to your liking.

903 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:42:39pm

re: #898 mcmeador

I guess I'm not really understanding why Charles is so adamantly against this site for their hateful views to the point that he won't even allow links to the site, but he posted a video by Pat Condell in which he said that he buys beer not because he likes it, but because it offends Islam. And then there are the other videos by Pat Condell, which I don't believe have been posted here. In these he calls religion evil or refers to Islam, Judaism, and Christianity as "insults to humanity" or something along those lines, and says that faith does not deserve respect. He made it quite clear that his point is to just be plain offensive to Christians by posting a video titled "Happy Easter" in the days before Easter 2007 in which he just ranted about how ridiculous Christian beliefs are.

Basically, what I'm saying is Pat Condell's videos are pretty hateful too. I'm not even particularly religious, but they offend me just because he is so hateful about it and apparently just feels that he must offend people. It's one thing if people are using their religious beliefs to harm you or are trying to impose their beliefs on you. But Condell rails against religious people simply because they are religious with no exceptions made, and that is hate speech too. I'll give Charles the benefit of the doubt and assume maybe he didn't realize how offensive some of Condell's other videos were when he gave him publicity on this site.

In a free and open society you have no right not to be offended. Speech that offends no one doesn't need protection. And some folks, both religious and political, are going to take offence at any speech that fails to embrace their stances, anyway. The answer to speech that offends you is not to censor it, but to answer it with speech of your own; that is, MORE speech instead of LESS. And let the free marketplace of ideas decide.

904 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:43:25pm

re: #901 daveycrockett

First Spencer and now Coulter? LGF just isn't what it used to be.

No, Spencer and Coulter aren't what people thought they were.

905 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:44:27pm

re: #370 BLBfootballs

I'm very aware of that. And IMO many of those Jews need to take a breather, take a step back and ponder the context of those statements and that belief for a minute or two. (First off, I'm not even sure that "most Jews don't see it that way" -- though I am certain that most Jewish leftists don't see it that way.)

I don't know how to put it other than: the belief that Jews could "perfect" themselves by accepting Christianity is a standard and early component of Christian doctrine, and has probably become a lot more prominent since the growth of evangelical Protestantism began. Fine.

I don't know why a religious group living in America, subscribing to American laws and the American value system (including liberty and e pluribus unum) should be asked to relinquish their religious belief.

America is not medieval Europe. And American Christianity is very much not European Catholicism. Jewish/Christian relations in America are a striking example of how ideological beliefs can have utterly different outcomes when the context and culture in which they are held changes....

....

OK there are two ways to take what he is trying to say. If taken the bad way, this does sound very condescending and weird.

I don't know this poster, but I am going to give him (or her) the benefit of the doubt and try to rephrase him just a little.

As you read this, please keep in mind:

1. I'm observant Jewish
2. I have no beef with Christians.

There are many Christians who believe that spreading the "good news" is part of their mission in life. It has been my observation that many of those Christians see gaining Jewish converts as a sort of extra special job well done.

There are many reasons for this, but the bottom line is that for a Jew, as a representative of the "original" tradition, to accept Christianity makes these types of proselytizers feel that Christianity has just gotten a great demonstration of legitimacy. Converting Jews is a bonus round because of the history of the two religions. Honestly, the flip side of this, when Jews don't convert, I believe is the main and deepest root of European antisemitism.

This is a very real phenomena. I grew up in Central Pa. Very very Bible Belt. I have seen it my whole life.

Now also, there are plenty of devout believing Christians who are secure enough in their own faith that the existence of Jewish people does not make them uncomfortable. I find much more in common with these people than differences. Yes, we have obvious differences in theology, but we have the same values, the same love of close family and the same work ethics. Honestly, we are very similar people. We can agree to disagree on certain theological points, notice all of the things we hold dear in common, and just respect each other.

That said, the fact that there are still many Christians who believe that Jews would be happier people, with all the no longer being damned to eternal suffering in hell and such if they only became Christian is real.

If the commenter was merely trying to say that "hey, get real, lots of people believe this" and "this is America, they have a right to believe this"
then I have to agree with his statement of reality.

The problem, speaking as a Jew, and I believe for most Jews is that being told that you are going to burn in hell for keeping your faith is not a lot of fun. It does make us cranky.

906 Render  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:44:42pm

Sweetness and Light?

[Link: www.anncoulter.com...]

The mouth frothing would be/should have been expected.

Notice who else is in those fairly few links?

VDARE.

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Are those dirt silly idiots actually going to try and revolt against Michael Steele?

If they were to succeed it won't just be Charles and I, blacks, Jews, Hispanics, and every other minority member would leave the party.

[Link: hiphoprepublican.blogspot.com...]

And don't think they haven't noticed what's going on.

[Link: www.google.com...]

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I really don't see any difference in their (CCC and their defenders) basic tactics and those of Europes far right. Nor do I find that surprising.

Who did VB meet with when they came to the US? Pat Buchanan, CCC, and the most popular DDuke friendly radio show on the airwaves.

Do they honestly think the majority of the white membership of the Republican party is going to stand with them against Michael Steele?

What would give them that idea?

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907 gman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:49:56pm

re: #901 daveycrockett

First Spencer and now Coulter? LGF just isn't what it used to be.

LGF hasn't changed. The light continues to shine on unsavory apologists.

908 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:50:34pm

re: #906 Render

I hope the racists DO abandon the GOP because of Michael Steele! Fuck 'em.

909 Aardvark  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:13:33am

I went to the CCC site (first I'd ever heard of it) read their statement of principles, and came away thinking that they were defending culture and the Constitution.

I'm not a Christian, but, excepting the more fundamentalist religious aspects, I support Christian values. If the Christians were trying to take over the country, mandating that people of other faiths adopt Christianity, I could see that language like "A Christian nation" would be threatening, but they aren't and they haven't. What's the exact beef with the site? What do they say that's so truly alarming? Yes, the US, when it was founded, had a deep Judeo-Christian heritage. Indeed, it could be argued that 18th century America was, with only a few quibbles, a "Christian" nation.

I saw no positions mandating that Christianity be taught to everyone or that there should be a ration of churches to synagogues and mosques. What I did see was the belief that people have a right to pray in the classroom if they want to. Whoopee-doo.

They claim that the US is a European nation. So what? It was founded almost entirely by Europeans. They aren't saying that they want to ship out non-white races, they're saying that they'd like America to return to Western values. They state that they don't like anti-white affirmative action. Oh, my! They said the evil "w" word! They must be racists! And yet, affirmative action as the vast majority of objective people would have to agree, is anti-white (and anti-male and anti-Asian, too).

It's culture, not religious dogma or racism that's being discussed, and there's nothing wrong with advocating for a specific culture. Nothing. It's not illegal, nor unethical, nor disingenuous to advocate one way of life over another. All societies do it, or did it before rabid multiculturalist dogma destroyed the freedom to discuss cultural matters without being branded a racist, a homophobe, a nazi, or *shivers* intolerant.

They don't think that for some time, at least, that non-European cultures should be immigrating to America. Horrors! Racist! And yet ... it isn't unprecedented for Americans to deliberately do precisely that to preserve the American way of life, what I regard as following the spirit of the Constitution. Teddy Roosevelt wrote about American values and the essential need for immigrants to adopt them or not bother to immigrate at all. The 1920's saw a reduction in immigration to allow the millions of recent refugees to assimilate. So now it's racist or intolerant to advocate the same policy? I think not.

Furthermore:

The Constitution is perfectly fine with local populations determining their own morality. Some laws are nutty, in my opinion, but they are legal: blue laws, prohibiting liquor stores within a mile of a church, dry counties, and even, dare I say it, the teaching of religious creationism alongside evolution in local schools.

I would hate to accuse someone of being racist, or being accused of being a racist for discussing cultural matters, uttering a multiculturalist key word, or saying that this culture is better than that culture for this reason .... If there is doubt of what a person means, then I would say, ask for specifics. Ask what a phrase means or what specific laws he is advocating. If there is any doubt about the CCC and what they stand for, then I say, ask the CCC if they are pro white or support laws that discriminate in favor of whites. Ask them if they hate blacks or desire that "people of color" should be treated as anything less than full citizens.

Shouldn't that be the American way?

910 Render  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:17:57am

The scrubbing must be complete.

Too bad for them that Charles already saved the original.

BWHAHAHA,
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911 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:19:51am

re: #909 Aardvark

I went to the CCC site (first I'd ever heard of it) read their statement of principles, and came away thinking that they were defending culture and the Constitution.

I'm not a Christian, but, excepting the more fundamentalist religious aspects, I support Christian values. If the Christians were trying to take over the country, mandating that people of other faiths adopt Christianity, I could see that language like "A Christian nation" would be threatening, but they aren't and they haven't. What's the exact beef with the site? What do they say that's so truly alarming? Yes, the US, when it was founded, had a deep Judeo-Christian heritage. Indeed, it could be argued that 18th century America was, with only a few quibbles, a "Christian" nation.

I saw no positions mandating that Christianity be taught to everyone or that there should be a ration of churches to synagogues and mosques. What I did see was the belief that people have a right to pray in the classroom if they want to. Whoopee-doo.

They claim that the US is a European nation. So what? It was founded almost entirely by Europeans. They aren't saying that they want to ship out non-white races, they're saying that they'd like America to return to Western values. They state that they don't like anti-white affirmative action. Oh, my! They said the evil "w" word! They must be racists! And yet, affirmative action as the vast majority of objective people would have to agree, is anti-white (and anti-male and anti-Asian, too).

It's culture, not religious dogma or racism that's being discussed, and there's nothing wrong with advocating for a specific culture. Nothing. It's not illegal, nor unethical, nor disingenuous to advocate one way of life over another. All societies do it, or did it before rabid multiculturalist dogma destroyed the freedom to discuss cultural matters without being branded a racist, a homophobe, a nazi, or *shivers* intolerant.

They don't think that for some time, at least, that non-European cultures should be immigrating to America. Horrors! Racist! And yet ... it isn't unprecedented for Americans to deliberately do precisely that to preserve the American way of life, what I regard as following the spirit of the Constitution. Teddy Roosevelt wrote about American values and the essential need for immigrants to adopt them or not bother to immigrate at all. The 1920's saw a reduction in immigration to allow the millions of recent refugees to assimilate. So now it's racist or intolerant to advocate the same policy? I think not.

So you think that a prohibition against miscegenation, or race-mixing, is a Christian, American, or Western value? Because CCC advocates that on their site.

Furthermore:

The Constitution is perfectly fine with local populations determining their own morality. Some laws are nutty, in my opinion, but they are legal: blue laws, prohibiting liquor stores within a mile of a church, dry counties, and even, dare I say it, the teaching of religious creationism alongside evolution in local schools.

I would hate to accuse someone of being racist, or being accused of being a racist for discussing cultural matters, uttering a multiculturalist key word, or saying that this culture is better than that culture for this reason .... If there is doubt of what a person means, then I would say, ask for specifics. Ask what a phrase means or what specific laws he is advocating. If there is any doubt about the CCC and what they stand for, then I say, ask the CCC if they are pro white or support laws that discriminate in favor of whites. Ask them if they hate blacks or desire that "people of color" should be treated as anything less than full citizens.

Shouldn't that be the American way?

The American way shouldn't be to violate the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution by forcing the teaching of religious dogma as fact to other peoples' kids in public high school science class.

912 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:24:13am

re: #909 Aardvark

I went to the CCC site (first I'd ever heard of it) read their statement of principles, and came away thinking that they were defending culture and the Constitution.

You mean their "white" culture.

913 gegenkritik  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:38:09am

The article about the Dresden "patriots" (Neo-Nazis) is illustrated with pictures from Germanys biggest Nazi-Website, the german section of Altermedia-network, led by David Duke. I assume the "german reader" to which CCC is referring, comes also from Altermedia.

By the way, the protests against the Neo-Nazis in Dresden aren't really better, since they also lament about the "brutal attack" on the "innocent" city of Dresden. Around February 13th, there are always tens of thousands in Dresden for remembrance - while the interest in the 27th of January (day of the liberation of Auschwitz and Holocaust remembrance day) is nearly zero in Germany.

Thank you, Sir Arthur Harris. Thanks to the RAF and USAAF.

914 Aardvark  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:13:30am

re: #911 Salamantis

So you think that a prohibition against miscegenation, or race-mixing, is a Christian, American, or Western value? Because CCC advocates that on their site.

No, I could never support that. Any prohibition against race mixing is a terrible thing, nor did I ever say I did support such an abomination. You know, I hate having to defend something someone else said. My entire point was if there was a doubt, one should go directly to the source and ask them exactly what they mean, not jump to conclusions.

And yet, having said that, when I looked back at the site, I don't see any call for a law or prohibition on race-mixing as you describe. They are clearly against forced integration, but that's a pretty common position among all races and cultures. Let's be objective here; their focus isn't on race, per se, but on reserving the right to preserve what they feel is traditional Western (read European) values. Just playing Devil's advocate, are you saying that they don't have a right to preserve those values from a government determined to force them to change according to the dictates of some currently acceptable social agenda? Is mandated social engineering constitutional to you?

The American way shouldn't be to violate the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution by forcing the teaching of religious dogma as fact to other peoples' kids in public high school science class.

That's your definition of the 1st Amendment, not mine. Constitutional scholars recognize that the rights in the Bill of Rights sometimes tread on each other. Sure, I would hate to have creationism taught to my kids, but there exists the right of a community, through its school board, to determine what that school district teaches. Would you really like to remove that right?

Consider:

If I think that creationism is BS, and I don't want it taught on that basis, then I can fight it at the school council, support a candidate that doesn't believe in it, or run for office myself. I have a similar right to demand that anything I feel is BS not be taught, including multiculturalism, historical revisionism, or feel-good cultural equivalency.

The danger is that if you deny the creationists their right to impose their misguided will by majority vote, you hand over the power to determine what is taught to the state or Federal government -- a far worse situation. I'll take the rare creationist hit, thank you very much, over tossing all my rights. At least now, I can move to another school district if I don't like what they teach. Under your 1st Amendment interpretation, I would have no place to go.

915 Aardvark  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:06:26am

re: #912 gman

You mean their "white" culture.

I really hate defending someone else, and frankly, the way these guys talk about "European-American heritage" makes me a bit uneasy. I can see what they're saying, I think, but as provocative and direct as these guys are, I'd think that they would want to be a little more crystal clear about their positions to avoid the blowback they're getting now.

Regardless, I'm really not the one to ask what they mean, even rhetorically, they are. That being said, as far as I know, they've never done anything racist, never advocated the beating up of blacks or Asians, never stated that whites were a superior race, never claimed that they root for Russians and Croatian tennis players when they play the Williams' sisters.

Without any tangible evidence of racism, all I have to go by are the words on their site. Now words are very important, and so we must be accurate. I searched their Statement of Principles for white and culture, and nope, they never used the phrase, "white culture," so those, strictly speaking, are your words, not theirs.

916 Render  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:18:55am

re: #914 Aardvark

You didn't see anything about race-mixing on their parent site? Or you didn't want to see anything about race mixing on their parent site?

Google search term, "Council of Conservative Citizens race mixing."

[Link: www.google.com...]

Not only is it buried in the achieves of the national site, it's all over most of the state level sites as well, in some cases right on the front page of the state level sites. Many of the state level sites link directly to Stormfront and/or David Duke.

The only reason they are against affirmative action and forced integration is their claim that it "leads to race-mixing."

Please don't think that CofCC is unknown around here. We've known about Gordon Lee Baum, Sam Francis, Marcus Epstein, and Jared Taylor for some time now.

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Want to try again?

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917 zeebeach  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:26:30am

re: #907 gman

What a disappointment this is. I will have to read the entire 1st chapter of Ann's book to be certain I'm immersed in the context, because Ann will probably defend her support of this group by saying she was being ironic to prove a point. Even that won't excuse this IMO, as I'm becoming weary of her stunts for generating publicity. This has become a depressing weekend.

918 SalsaNChips  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:34:18am

Cool pic of Ann shooting a Berretta 9mm on the CCC site.

Nice tummy...

919 Aardvark  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:35:08am

re: #916 Render

You didn't see anything about race-mixing on their parent site? Or you didn't want to see anything about race mixing on their parent site?

Geez, I never said that I didn't see anything about race-mixing on their site. Of course, I saw the words, "race-mixing." It's all over the place. The point is, Salimantis was talking about a prohibition against race-mixing, you know, like advocating a law?

I didn't see them advocating a law against race-mixing, and I said so. That's all it was, so case closed.

I read four articles about the CCC from your google list. Although they were articles, interpretations, not direct, in-context sources, and a couple of them had definite agendas, I'm convinced that this is a group that conservatives like me should stay away from.

I can understand how telling a warped view of history, artificially raising one group over another, damages race relations in the long run -- besides being a poor policy, it's also a lie. I can understand how parents don't want their kids bussed all over the place to support a racial quota. If that's what "race-mixing" meant to the CCC, then I could see it, but what seems to be the case is that some spokespeople for some CCC chapters -- not all chapters, according to the articles, but enough -- seem to feel that race-mixing, as a policy unto itself, should be discouraged.

That, I don't believe in at all: it goes totally against the racially neutral country I'd like the US to be. I'm now convinced that CCC is a group to be scorned and avoided. Now if the left could be as honest about the NOI, Black Liberation Theology, and the NAACP....

Regards,

Aardvark

920 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:55:25am

This is exactly why I can't stomach Malkins' site anymore.

921 Render  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:29:02am

re: #920 Irish Rose

[Link: thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com...]

A-YUP,
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922 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:21:18am

re: #921 Render

[Link: thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com...]

A-YUP,
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One of my favorite blogs.

I'd also like to see the white nationalist extremism in the anti-immigration crowd given more exposure. It's another favorite cause of the "conservative movement", particularly over at Malkins.... I've seen some vile shit posted over there and it's becoming increasingly more so as the months progress. It seems to be either one flavor of fascism or the other with these people, sometimes it's both.

I have seen her delete posts that contain words like "r_gh_d", but she refuses to take down the posts that advocate among other things, mass deportation of all Mexicans (even those who are American citizens), forced sterilization, and sending our military to the border to shoot Mexicans on sight.

It astonishes and disgusts me to watch these people reject one type of fascism while they embrace another.

The Republican party has a serious problem with these people, and I do mean serious.

923 leereyno  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:24:01am

Coulter is without integrity. I've known this about her ever since I heard her describe 150 years of research in multiple disciplines as "junk science" in order to promote her books to creationists.

Someone should also remind her that race, unlike gender, is a cultural construct. Being opposed to "mixing of the races" makes about as much sense as telling someone with brown hair that they can't marry a redhead or a blond.

924 DebbieSym  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:04:59am

#164

I wonder how many folks on the right don't seem to understand the damage caused by these nuts. I live in a liberal town and it's an uphill battle trying to get liberals to see another point of view because they think people like Coulter are what republicans are.

I have liberal friends who say, "She's different" (meaning me) because I don't spout this garbage. I don't know what to call myself anymore. How do we get rid of the kooks? This is a serious problem. I'm part of a group of republican women who want to work together to take back the country, but how do we do it with these nuts running around?

925 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:12:21am
926 rumcrook  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:18:33am

I glanced thru the front page of their site once I googled it and thought maybe charles is over reacting, im not seeing it.

then I clicked on thier mission statement/beleifs and it shouts white supremisct.

only europeans need apply to america.

apparently to these clowns my latina wife and now my 2 year old daughter are unacceptable americans... but im "honkey" dorey

927 croob  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:25:55am

When I try and access the Council of Conservative Citizens website while I'm at work (at my corporate job), I get a smartfilter blocking me. However, when I try and access the Nation of Islam website, the Zulu Nation website, the site for Jeremian Wright's (former) place, I'm able to view the sites. ..no filters needed to protect me. This doesn't mean I'm in agreement with what any of the sites are saying, but why the double standard ?

928 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:31:41am

It doesn't work to try to deflect the blame for this by calling out a "double standard."

This is the last refuge of people who can find no other defense. We're better than this.

Aren't we?

929 Land Shark  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:34:42am

I'm familiar with the CCC and while I was once interested in them, once I looked into them I became convinced they are a white supremacist organization or at least are very sympathetic to the idea. It's very disturbing, to say the least, to see someone I like a lot like Ann Coulter defending these bozos.

Damn! Now I gotta add Coulter to the list of people I have to take with several grains of salt.

930 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:39:12am

On their "endorsements" page:

“The Council of Conservative Citizens … the nation’s leading defender of the Confederate Flag”
- New York Daily News

On their sidebar:

Shocking Statistics
Between 1976-2005, blacks made up 13% of the US population, but committed 59% of felony murders. Overall, blacks are 9 times more likely to commit murder than whites.
Source: US DOJ

In their sidebar of links to "Other Stories":

Did White guilt elect Hussein Obama? Just ask Rev. James David Manning

It doesn't take much to put two and two together. If the CCC isn't a white supremacist group by itself, it sure sends hospitable signals to those that are.

931 Land Shark  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:43:09am

re: #924 DebbieSym

Just do what your doing and stick to your principles. I believe most real conservatives reject white supremacism, even though sadly far too many embrace it or at least are willing to tolerate people who buy into such non-sense.

We need Republican women like your group to stay engaged and involved. I know that isn't easy but our nation needs conservatives, especially those who reject racism to come forth and show the CCC and their ilk do not represent us.

932 irish rose  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:52:43am

Meanwhile over at Stormfront, where they heart the CofCC and have tried to link to LGF and failed, they've discovered that Ms. Coulter is a kindred spirit:

Ann Coulter defending the CoCC? Wow....I actually have to give her a smidgen of respect for that....

Some of them have even added her quotes to their signatures.


LGF is still on their shitlist, though:

Little Green Footballs is a thinly-veiled Jew-supremacist organization, an obscene caricature of the sorry state of the American conservative movement after the Bush gang got through with it.

If you've ever seen Charles Krauthammer on TV, you know what the little green jewballs are like: bloodthirsty wise-ass Zionist metrosexuals. Who tend to vote Republican. I couldn't stand to be in the same room with any of these little monstrosities.

/badge of honor
/

bloodthirsty wise-ass Zionist metrosexuals

... rotating title nom

933 OrtegaGasset  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:08:17am

I think LGF is completely mis-interpreting Coulter.

Coulter is first and foremost a self-promoter. Her objective is self-marketing and, ultimately, notoriety and money.

Thus controversy - whether the CCC matter, the 9/11 widows, or others - suits her purposes just fine.

That she is sufficiently articulate and capable of defending any position - much like the lawyer that she is - should not delude anyone into thinking she has conservative principles.

She may have some or many principles, but they are secondary to her self-promotion objectve.

934 J.S.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:12:45am

re: #932 irish rose

All right...well, that's almost as good as "cannabilistic Zionist honcos."

935 Sifty  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:15:45am

It is a shame that Ann feels she needs to cozy-up with these guys.

The CCC is no better than La Raza or Mecha or the Black Panthers.

Anyone that judges by skin color or ancestry instead of character and values has no business on my side.

No room in my foxhole for jackasses of any color.

Whether these groups like the CCC and La Raza call themselves "supremacists" ,"separatists", or "pride" organizations they really mean to divide and quantify folks by some made-up bullshit standard to make themselves feel better.

936 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:22:40am

re: #933 OrtegaGasset

I think LGF is completely mis-interpreting Coulter.

Coulter is first and foremost a self-promoter. Her objective is self-marketing and, ultimately, notoriety and money.

Thus controversy - whether the CCC matter, the 9/11 widows, or others - suits her purposes just fine.

That she is sufficiently articulate and capable of defending any position - much like the lawyer that she is - should not delude anyone into thinking she has conservative principles.

She may have some or many principles, but they are secondary to her self-promotion objectve.

And you're completely misinterpreting my posts. I said nothing about Coulter's motivation for doing this -- the simple fact is that she is making excuses for and defending an openly white supremacist group. That's enough to warrant anyone's disapproval, no matter what her motivations may be.

937 Sifty  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:25:36am

re: #933 OrtegaGasset

At some point when playing "Devil's Advocate", you need to realize that you are playing the Advocate for the Devil. Ann needs to wake up and own the fact she is defending the indefensible.

938 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:37:28am
939 Land Shark  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:40:57am

re: #933 OrtegaGasset

Have you looked into the CCC? When I did, it didn't take long for me to realize I wanted no part of that group. Ann needs to wise up and do the same. She's doing herself serious harm, no matter what her motivation is.

940 mcmeador  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:58:40am

re: #900 gman

Did you not read any of the posts above?

You definitely left the second part of my statement off so as to distort what I was saying. I didn't show any confusion over why that site was so offensive, but rather why Charles would take such an adamant stand against it for containing hate speech but have no problem with posting videos by Pat Condell who practices religious hate speech.

Salamantis definitely missed the point, being that Condell practices hate speech yet he gets positive publicity from Charles, who refuses to give publicity to another site because it practices hate speech. Instead of responding to that point, you give me a lecture on free speech. Where that even fits in with what I was saying...who knows... I'm fully aware of the concept of free speech, and no where in my comment did I advocate silencing Pat Condell. However, if Charles' stance on the CCC web site is to be an example, then Pat Condell has no place on this site either. Hate speech is hate speech, whether racial, religious, sexual, etc.

941 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:06:51am

re: #940 mcmeador

Pat Condell is an atheist, and makes no bones about it, and yes, he is deliberately offensive sometimes. You don't like Condell's anti-religious opinions; that's your right. But to compare what Condell does to the white supremacists at the CCC is simply stupid.

Offensive speech is not the same thing as hate speech, and when you try to make it so, you're acting exactly like the Islamists at CAIR.

942 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:47:13am

re: #940 mcmeador

You definitely left the second part of my statement off so as to distort what I was saying. I didn't show any confusion over why that site was so offensive, but rather why Charles would take such an adamant stand against it for containing hate speech but have no problem with posting videos by Pat Condell who practices religious hate speech.

It's obvious you've got an axe to grind with your "grand total of 57 comments and already attacking the host" troll behavior, but I'm curious as to why you would want to compare what a white supremacist organization is doing to what Pat Condell is doing? I'm sure the EU would agree with your definition of "hate" speech, but I don't.

943 croob  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:50:05am

re #928 Charles

No deflection of blame is intended. I'm not trying to defend either CCC or the other hate sites. I just don't know why racially or religiously offensive statements are tolerated from certain groups but not from others. I don't see how we can be "better than this" if we can't ask honest questions without being suspected of deflecting blame.

944 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:56:01am

re: #943 croob

I just don't know why racially or religiously offensive statements are tolerated from certain groups but not from others.

and again, more accusations without specific examples.

945 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:00:17am

re: #943 croob

re #928 Charles

I just don't know why racially or religiously offensive statements are tolerated from certain groups but not from others.

I don't understand the point of this question. Yes, there are some groups who get away with racially charged hate speech. That's a reality, unfortunately. If you're expecting an answer to why this is so, I don't have that answer for you.

But when this point is brought up over and over and over in this thread, it's pretty clear that some people are using it to make excuses for something that's simply inexcusable. This point has nothing to do with Ann Coulter's defense of the CCC.

946 BLBfootballs  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:05:05am

re: #905 LudwigVanQuixote

OK there are two ways to take what he is trying to say. If taken the bad way, this does sound very condescending and weird.

I don't know this poster, but I am going to give him (or her) the benefit of the doubt and try to rephrase him just a little.
...
Now also, there are plenty of devout believing Christians who are secure enough in their own faith that the existence of Jewish people does not make them uncomfortable.
...
That said, the fact that there are still many Christians who believe that Jews would be happier people, with all the no longer being damned to eternal suffering in hell and such if they only became Christian is real.

If the commenter was merely trying to say that "hey, get real, lots of people believe this" and "this is America, they have a right to believe this"
then I have to agree with his statement of reality.

The problem, speaking as a Jew, and I believe for most Jews is that being told that you are going to burn in hell for keeping your faith is not a lot of fun. It does make us cranky.

OK.... so be cranky. Whether or not it's said out loud, it remains a widely held Christian belief (in fact from what I understand it's a fundamental Christian belief). Your hurt feelings are not reason enough to change it or prevent people from expressing it. Hurt feelings are the small price of a free society. Considering that the belief is totally mainstream and held peacefully and respectfully by millions of decent Americans it's not even in the same category as racial supremacism or other noxious ideological fumes.

947 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:27:28am
948 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:32:03am
949 croob  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:52:58am

re: #945 Charles

Yes, the fact that some groups get away with racially charged hate speech is a reality,an inexcusable reality. I'm looking for some more outrage about that. My outrage is just as great toward those who downplay that as it is toward Ms Coulter. I find that behavior to be just as inexcusable as hers.
I don't think that could be construed as making excuses for her defense of the CCC. I just don't get as jacked up about her because I see it going on far more frequently on the other side of the issue. I think that's what you may be seeing here. btw, thanks for responding to my posts.

950 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:56:20am

re: #949 croob

And when there are threads about the hate speech found in mosques and anti-Semitism in all sorts of various quarters- we at LGF get outraged. There were countless posts on this blog about reverend wright, and the anti-Semitic blog posts at myobama. And we were outraged.

Perhaps you're barking up the wrong tree?

951 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:59:55am

re: #949 croob

Yes, the fact that some groups get away with racially charged hate speech is a reality,an inexcusable reality. I'm looking for some more outrage about that.

I don't know what site you've been reading, but there are hundreds of posts here with that "more outrage" you're looking for.

Did you just miss all of them?

952 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:10:04pm

re: #921 Render


“La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races..."

The term La Raza is Latin America specifically refers to individuals of mixed race that are descended from the natives of south, Central America, etc.

Even at face value, a doctrine of ethnic rather than racial determinism is still repugnant.

“The term ‘La Raza’ has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as ‘the people,’ or, according to some scholars, ‘the Hispanic people of the New World.’ The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating ‘La Raza’ to mean ‘the race’ implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, ‘La Raza Cósmica,’ meaning the ‘cosmic people,’ was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.”..."

Nail in the coffin. Go read the Cosmic Race (or as they render it the Cosmic People). The idea that mixed race 'Hispanics of the New World' are ethnically superior, and the world is destined to one day be both culturally and racially dominated by this "Cosmic Race" an 'inclusive concept' is absolutely ridiculous.

No Hispanic people use the term La Raza when referring to 'the people' as at has a very different connotation, and there are plenty of Mexicans willing to tell you just so. The word Aryan can have innocuous meanings too, but I'm pretty damn sure if a group is using it, they are neo-nazis. "La Raza" isn't any different than "Aryan"; and I don't mean morally, I mean literally they have a similar stigma in our respective cultures.

Every single racist Chicano/Latino group uses the term "La Raza" in their literature.

Even more condemnation, from La Raza's site; some shilling for MEChA:


According to its mission statement, MEChA is a student organization whose primary objectives are educational—to help Latino students finish high school and go to college, and to support them while at institutions of higher education.

Does anyone seriously think that MEChA is not a racist organization? The La Raza quote still runs a smokes screen for MEChA. Their mission statement is to work as a student movement in promoting an 'activist lifestyle', and they actively proliferate racist literature on campus.

SPLC was right about Coulter and CCC; but remember they don't have any issue with CAIR at all. On their entire hatemap, they have only identified one Chicano hategroup for 'general hate'; which in SPLCspeak means they are antisemites, as apparently antisemitism isn't its own form of hate. They specifically identify exactly 0 left-wing organizations from my count.

This defense you posted of La Raza is outrageously misleading. They, and the groups that La Raza shills for are without a doubt racist groups. Ethnic determinism is racism. Lets watch our own backs from sources on both sides of the aisle please.

953 Aggie95  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:28:02pm

I went back and re read the passage's referred to in Coulters book ........ she was contrasting the difference between a couple of republican pols who spoke one time at a CCC convention and Obama attending Rev wright's Church for 20 years and the difference in how the MSM media portrayed the 2 events ....as far as the CCC website ... * shrug * not sure yet ...am going to poke around abit

954 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:39:28pm
955 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:39:47pm

re: #946 BLBfootballs

OK.... so be cranky. Whether or not it's said out loud, it remains a widely held Christian belief (in fact from what I understand it's a fundamental Christian belief). Your hurt feelings are not reason enough to change it or prevent people from expressing it. Hurt feelings are the small price of a free society. Considering that the belief is totally mainstream and held peacefully and respectfully by millions of decent Americans it's not even in the same category as racial supremacism or other noxious ideological fumes.

I'm a little amazed that you missed my points so completely. In the bit you quotes of me, you edited the part about mking a statement of reality.

Let me make this a little stronger. Whether or not it is reality that many Christians maintain a certain theology or if it is there right, is not the point.

Nor, is it that the particular set of beliefs is angering and insulting with a really bad history.

From the context of everything I had written previously and the thread I thought it was obvious, so I had hoped the humorous phrase "cranky" would be sufficient. The fact that context was missed means that I have to lay this out more completely.

It goes like this.

This is America. In America we have the right to believe as we will. We have the right to not have someone else's theology forced upon us. This is enshrined by the notion of separation of Church and state. When Coulter gets up says stuff like that, she is speaking politically and representing politics. Not only that she is representing Conservative politics.

While it is obvious, that there are many in this nation who believe that freedom of religion means freedom to force their religious views on others, this is not the American way. We separate Church and State. This argument applies to fundies of any stripe. It is the same hammer we bring down on groups that try to Islamicize our culture.

Thus, when Coulter gets up and says such clearly inflammatory stuff as a representative of Conservative values, she is not just pissing lots of people off and painting a picture of Conservatives as religiously intolerant, but she is jettisoning American political values.

These political values are a major reason this country is as strong as it is and paradoxically, because there never was any state religion, and we have tried so hard to prevent even the hint of one, those values have kept Religion strong in America. Religion is so strong here because we don't have a nanny state telling people what to believe. People are free to believe what they will and stand up for it with dignity. As a result, anyone who is into it is voluntarily into it, and the proliferation of non-oppressed views means that someone who is looking, can readily find.

There is also the benefit that no one has secular power to fight over with a religious motivation and this keeps the peace, fosters respect of others and generally makes us a civilized nation.

Coulter and her inflammatory statements miss this major aspect of what America does right.

OK is that clear now?

What also bothers me is that if you read my post a little more carefully, I was actually trying to help you out a little.

956 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:43:39pm

re: #953 Aggie95

I went back and re read the passage's referred to in Coulters book ........ she was contrasting the difference between a couple of republican pols who spoke one time at a CCC convention and Obama attending Rev wright's Church for 20 years and the difference in how the MSM media portrayed the 2 events ....as far as the CCC website ... * shrug * not sure yet ...am going to poke around abit

What part of:

there is little on the CCC website suggesting that the group is a “thinly veiled white supremacist” organization...

...is confusing to you?

And an ad for "White Pride" t-shirts, sold by the neo-Nazi website Stormfront, isn't enough to convince you it's a white supremacist site? How about the fact that they've been shunned by the GOP, and expelled from speaking at CPAC?

Still "unsure?"

957 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:44:43pm

#954: you're out of here, and you don't get to post your flaming burnout goodbye message.

958 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:46:33pm

re: #952 Scion9

You're quite right that the SPLC has a left-wing bias. I don't deny that at all.

In this case, I linked to them only after double-checking their claim about Coulter, and finding out that it was accurate.

959 Aggie95  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:53:07pm

Perhaps her inflammatory statements are meant to drive home a message that a more conciliatory approach would get little notice of ..... I like Ann to be honest ....she says things that often are not spoken of but most would admit are correct but are concerned with the repercussion's of speaking openly and truthfully about

960 Aggie95  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:58:39pm

re: #956 Charles

* shrug * so every other racial or cultural group in the country has T-shirt's much like that and worn openly in polite society and its just being proud of who and what you are and even lauded but let some white smuck wear something like a white pride T shirt or display the confederate flag and your a racist * shrug * ... O.K.

961 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:00:42pm

*shrug*?

What's next? *smirk*?

962 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:15:45pm

re: #960 Aggie95

* shrug * so every other racial or cultural group in the country has T-shirt's much like that and worn openly in polite society and its just being proud of who and what you are and even lauded but let some white smuck wear something like a white pride T shirt or display the confederate flag and your a racist * shrug * ... O.K.

OK is right. What is wrong with you? Why are you trying to make excuses for a white supremacist group?

963 Aggie95  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:16:08pm

O.K. A question..... can a factual statement be racist

964 Aggie95  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:17:52pm

Charles define ..... white supremacist

965 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:20:11pm

No. Instead I'll just tell you to get off my website.

966 Catttt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:20:22pm

re: #960 Aggie95

* shrug * so every other racial or cultural group in the country has T-shirt's much like that and worn openly in polite society and its just being proud of who and what you are and even lauded but let some white smuck wear something like a white pride T shirt or display the confederate flag and your a racist * shrug * ... O.K.

I have to say, I can't remember the last time I saw someone wearing legible clothing touting their personal race. Wait - I've never seen anyone do that. Perhaps this is because I live in a multi-racial environment, where people would either snicker at you or just shun you.

967 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:23:49pm
968 horse  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:24:05pm

re: #960 Aggie95

Every other racial or cultural group, really? I live in a large diverse city and do not see them, and I frequently travel to other American cities and do not see them. Any person wearing such a T-shirt for any race would quickly be marginalized as immature, or worse, which is the whole point.

Actual conservatives/classical liberals/libertarians do not want to be marginalized or pigeonholed as immature, or worse, by being associated with the CCC and its advertiser. The CCC and its ilk are not representative of conservative/classical liberal/libertarian ideals. They represent something else, something very negative. If it is not obvious to you, I would submit you may not hold a conservative/classical liberal/libertarian point of view.

969 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:26:39pm

I love hot button topics! Really helps the masks to fall.

970 mcmeador  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:30:49pm

re: #941 Charles

Pat Condell is an atheist, and makes no bones about it, and yes, he is deliberately offensive sometimes. You don't like Condell's anti-religious opinions; that's your right. But to compare what Condell does to the white supremacists at the CCC is simply stupid.

Offensive speech is not the same thing as hate speech, and when you try to make it so, you're acting exactly like the Islamists at CAIR.

If I were to say, "Black people are insults to humanity," everyone would agree that that was hate speech. If I said a person's race is not deserving of respect, people would agree that that is hate speech. If I released a video this month titled "Happy Black History Month" and spent the whole video demeaning the achievements of black people, I'm sure most would would find that hateful.

But Condell says and does these things in regards to religion and religious people, and suddenly it's no longer hate speech...it's just offensive. No big deal. Call a person stupid because of their race, it's hate speech. Call a person stupid because of their religion, it's just offensive speech. Huh? I just don't get how a person who is so demeaning towards religious people is acceptable for your site if you have such a strong opposition to hate speech.

Also, what I'm saying is nothing like CAIR. I've said nothing about silencing him, nothing about punishing him for his comments. I've acknowledged his right to free speech that allows him to say the things he does. My point all along has revolved around the fact that you feature him on your site. And I didn't say you don't have a right to do that, either. So thanks, but I'm nothing like a radical Muslim-rights organization that funds terrorism.

re: #942 gman

It's obvious you've got an axe to grind with your "grand total of 57 comments and already attacking the host" troll behavior, but I'm curious as to why you would want to compare what a white supremacist organization is doing to what Pat Condell is doing? I'm sure the EU would agree with your definition of "hate" speech, but I don't.

Sorry, I didn't realize that voicing disagreement was taboo...or at least it is until I have reached a certain number of comments and have earned my right to do so? If I had an axe to grind, I wouldn't have made it a point to give Charles the benefit of the doubt in the matter. My point is that hate speech doesn't just apply to race. If the things that Pat Condell said were said about race instead, I have a strong feeling that they would be labeled as hate speech. Why does he get a free pass here when he says these things about religion? That's what doesn't make sense to me, and that is the issue I'm raising.

Once again, allow me to clarify. People have free speech, and they can say what they want to say. The same applies to Charles. He can post whatever he wants to on this site. And because it's his site, if he doesn't like what other people are saying, he can delete their comments or kick them off the site. That's his right. So let's not let this devolve into a debate about free speech, because all of that has been acknowledged.

971 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:33:08pm
972 jaunte  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:33:27pm

re: #970 mcmeador

Mocking someone's ideas is not hate speech.

973 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:35:03pm

re: #972 jaunte

Mocking someone's ideas is not hate speech.

Not to mention that people can choose their religion, but no chooses their race.

974 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:37:41pm

re: #973 Sharmuta

Oops- I mean no one chooses what race they are- we're born that way. So conflating the two ideas- that of religious beliefs and that of race are apples and oranges.

975 Catttt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:39:25pm

re: #970 mcmeador

You are using an apples and oranges argument. There are other issues with your logic, but let me address just that part. Taking task with a belief system is not the same thing as chiding someone or belittling him for how he was born - e.g., the color of his skin.

976 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:40:28pm

re: #975 Catttt

GMTA- high paw, yo.

977 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:43:52pm

re: #972 jaunte

Mocking someone's ideas is not hate speech.

Exactly. The. Difference.

Mocking people for things they can't help, like the color of their skin, is demeaning and hateful.

Mocking them for the idiotic crap they believe is fair game.

If it happens to be my own idiotic crap, I've got three choices.

Mock back, walk away, or pout.

Some folks think the third option will work for them...

978 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:44:39pm

It's becoming more and more common to see "right-wing" Christians trying to co-opt the tactics of the left, and define "hate speech" downward, so that it includes anyone who criticizes their religion.

Yes, I do see a similarity in tactics here, between the OIC, who are trying to get blasphemy classified as "hate speech," and the point of view you're advocating, which is that your religion should somehow be above criticism -- and above mockery.

For what it's worth, I don't agree with Pat Condell's sometimes-offensive approach to religion; it's not my style to do that. But calling it hate speech is simply wrong. Harsh, yes. Offensive, yes. But it's over the top and rather thin-skinned to say that because you're offended by someone criticizing your viewpoints, they're "hating" you.

979 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:46:05pm

re: #977 Cato the Elder

Mock back, walk away, or pout.

Some folks think the third option will work for them...

Well- for some the third option has worked because instead of pouting, they've taken it to a violent extreme. They surely see Mr Condell's videos as hateful.

980 jaunte  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:48:56pm

Behead ( or legislate into silence ) those who insult ( your beliefs here ).

Image: b48399968.jpg

Limiting speech about ideas is anti-American, anti-Constitutional behavior.

981 Catttt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:59:48pm

re: #978 Charles

Yes. I subscribe to Mr. Condell's vids on youtube - not because I always agree with his conclusions but because he is interesting and witty while slaying the opposing view and presenting his own conclusions.

982 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:04:48pm

re: #953 Aggie95

I went back and re read the passage's referred to in Coulters book ........ she was contrasting the difference between a couple of republican pols who spoke one time at a CCC convention and Obama attending Rev wright's Church for 20 years and the difference in how the MSM media portrayed the 2 events ....as far as the CCC website ... * shrug * not sure yet ...am going to poke around abit

And in doing so, seemed to completely mischaracterize the content of the CCC website, minimizing the ugliness of it. Why would she do this?

I don't know. I'm askin'. Why not just be honest about what it is?

983 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:06:52pm

re: #914 Aardvark

That's your definition of the 1st Amendment, not mine. Constitutional scholars recognize that the rights in the Bill of Rights sometimes tread on each other. Sure, I would hate to have creationism taught to my kids, but there exists the right of a community, through its school board, to determine what that school district teaches. Would you really like to remove that right?

That right does not exist, and for damn good reason - because Disco shills can whisper in preachers' ears and get the naive and gullible faithful to fuck up public high school science education. Why should people who don't know jack shit about science get to tell science teachers that they have to shoehorn religious dogma into credulous andf pliable young minds? They can't, because it's violating the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment in two distinct ways - first, by favoring some religious dogmas over others, and second, by violating parents' right of free exercise, in teaching their kids religious dogmas with which they may not agree. And every time they try, the judiciary rightfully rules against them.

Consider:

If I think that creationism is BS, and I don't want it taught on that basis, then I can fight it at the school council, support a candidate that doesn't believe in it, or run for office myself. I have a similar right to demand that anything I feel is BS not be taught, including multiculturalism, historical revisionism, or feel-good cultural equivalency.

The danger is that if you deny the creationists their right to impose their misguided will by majority vote, you hand over the power to determine what is taught to the state or Federal government -- a far worse situation. I'll take the rare creationist hit, thank you very much, over tossing all my rights. At least now, I can move to another school district if I don't like what they teach. Under your 1st Amendment interpretation, I would have no place to go.

Fuck that very much. You shouldn't have to move in order to get actual science instead of religious dogma taught to your kids in public high school science class. Next you're going to be telling me that segregation and Jim Crow were okay, because a majority voted for them. You miss the fact that the Bill of Rights was originally crafted and approved in order to guarantee the same rights and freedoms for all, and to make certain that the minority was not regally royally screwed by the tyranny of a voting majority.

984 cronus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:19:14pm

Just catching up on this thread. I don't go in for Condell's shtick or for that matter most of the attacks on mainstream/moderate religions presented by the "New Atheists". But I do find this quote helpful in providing context for a discussion particularly when one side wants to force fantastical claims about reality down my throat but them claims a grievance when someone starts to question the rationale behind how they arrived at those claims.

We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. H.L. Mencken
985 robdouth  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:40:49pm

I'm usually one to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but if you go to the CCC website, you only have to look into the 2nd or third post to find a brazen indicator of ideology:

Religion of Macho exposes the dangerous and irrational religious nature of the liberal cult of racial equality.

So apparently these "conservatives" think that racial equality is a liberal cult? I didn't know I was liberal...

986 AverageCdn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:46:47pm

I think Coulter is like a baseball bat with spikes in it. She says the stuff many people may think in a moment of anger, but let go when the adrenalin drops and the common sense and logic come back online.

I read her columns, find many entertaining, but take her with a huge grain of salt. She's a loudmouth like Greenwald, Dickinson or Stein.

I don't want to condone her whitewashing of white power groups (sorry for the pun) and I do find it disconcerting.

987 Boxy_brown  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:53:23pm

re: #922 Irish Rose
And a lot still remains.


The Republican party has a serious problem with these people, and I do mean serious.


Don't blame the Republicans for that, they seem to hate republicans more than anything else over at Malkins' site. I agree though, during the presidential campaign her daily trashing of McCain for any outreach to an Hispanic audience as an "hispanderer" and "mcshamnisty" etc just brought out the nuts. When you look at it and realize that it was happening over and over for things like "daddy yankee" you can see that it was calculated to provoke the reactions it was getting.

988 Boxy_brown  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:57:55pm

Ignore the "And a lot still remains. " on the above post, it's a snippet of another conversation. I'm multitasking which means that I probably just e-mailed a coworker about Ann Cutler. uggg.

989 gegenkritik  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:59:01pm

I just watched videos of the speeches that were held at the Neo-Nazi-rally in Dresden this saturday, which CCC praises as "patriotic".
As expected, the Nazis were propagating an extreme hatred against the USA, not only for defeating Nazi-Germany, but also for the "aggression against Iraq and Afghanistan".
Among the worst things was this banner: "Die USA sind unser Unglück" (The USA are our misfortune). It refers to a slogan, that was very common in Nazi-Germany: "The jews are our misfortune".

I wonder how Ann Coulter thinks about such stuff.

990 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:21:31pm

re: #989 gegenkritik

I just watched videos of the speeches that were held at the Neo-Nazi-rally in Dresden this saturday, which CCC praises as "patriotic".
As expected, the Nazis were propagating an extreme hatred against the USA, not only for defeating Nazi-Germany, but also for the "aggression against Iraq and Afghanistan".
Among the worst things was this banner: "Die USA sind unser Unglück" (The USA are our misfortune). It refers to a slogan, that was very common in Nazi-Germany: "The jews are our misfortune".

I wonder how Ann Coulter thinks about such stuff.

Obviously this is evil and disgusting.

I feel the need to say, in case it hasn't been said yet.

I hate Illinois Nazis.

991 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:21:35pm

re: #970 mcmeador

Sorry, I didn't realize that voicing disagreement was taboo...or at least it is until I have reached a certain number of comments and have earned my right to do so? If I had an axe to grind, I wouldn't have made it a point to give Charles the benefit of the doubt in the matter.

So, you don't have an axe to grind on when you're bringing up Condell on a Coulter thread? hmmmm

Sorry, but if it looks like a troll (not many comments but questioning the host), and acts like a troll (trying to bring up pet issues on threads only somewhat related) it is a troll.

Btw, I checked your comment history so don't pretend Condell isn't a pet issue with you.

992 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:29:39pm

I'd just like to point out that contrary to claims in the following video, Anne Coulter is not fat. Apart from that though, it's pretty accurate.

993 irish rose  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:41:15pm

re: #987 Boxy_brown

you can see that it was calculated to provoke the reactions it was getting.

I have zero respect for any blogger who stokes the fires of genocidal hatred, or allows that kind of crap to be posted in their commentary.

994 Render  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:05:04pm

"...bloodthirsty wise-ass Zionist..."

Well, yeah.

Nice of those neo-nazi heil-fivin closet homo-pedophiles to notice.

"metro sexual?"

umm...nope. Have a closer look at yourselves stormpoopers.

Ever seen a picture of Kevin Alfred Strom (convicted neo-nazi pedophile)? Charles Krauthammer and his wheelchair could kick Stroms ass with one wheel locked and without breakin a sweat.

(prepare brain bleach)

Duke (under a pseudonym) once wrote a book that endorsed oral to anal sex. Now Dukes ex-wife is married to Don Black. Which brings us to Derek Black, now that's a metro sexual.

(apply brain bleach directly to scalp until bottle is empty - fill bottle with alcoholic beverage of strongest choice - drink bottle)

-look into the light

===

What is it with these idiots (Spencer, Coulter)?

They had good careers going and they pissed it all away for the closed fan base of the neo-nazi-white nationalists alliance.

Maybe they should take note of Bob Barr, whose political points I don't always agree with, some I even disagree with (very) strongly, but I highly honor the mans public integrity on this sole issue. If Barr can do it, why can't they?

I think I'm even more disappointed in Malkin and Horowitz, do those two really think there is a place in the all white Fourth Reich of Jared Taylor, Peter Brimelow, and David Duke for them? Don't they realize that Marcus Epstein has already taken both of those token slots?

===

All of my life I've had that "that two wrongs don't make a right" deal rammed down my throat. Now we've got these fools and their moral equivalence act coming in here and trying to convince me that suddenly two wrongs do make a right. I'm not buying it - and those WN fuckers and all the rest of the multi-hued Jew haters better count themselves damn lucky of that.

NOT
FOR
SALE,
R

995 mcmeador  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:18:38pm

re: #975 Catttt

You are using an apples and oranges argument. There are other issues with your logic, but let me address just that part. Taking task with a belief system is not the same thing as chiding someone or belittling him for how he was born - e.g., the color of his skin.

Yeah, you're right. When you demean someone for being religious, you are attacking them for something that is likely a major part of what defines them as a person, rather than a mere physical quality resulting from their ancestry. Maybe I'm different, but I'd be a lot more offended if someone attacked my belief system than if they attacked me for my race. And Pat Condell isn't simply "taking task" with religion. He's making it a point to just be an offensive prick about it and degrading anyone who has those beliefs. Just because you think you can justify his sentiments toward religion doesn't make his delivery of those views any less hateful.

re: #991 gman

So, you don't have an axe to grind on when you're bringing up Condell on a Coulter thread? hmmmm

Sorry, but if it looks like a troll (not many comments but questioning the host), and acts like a troll (trying to bring up pet issues on threads only somewhat related) it is a troll.

Btw, I checked your comment history so don't pretend Condell isn't a pet issue with you.

Wow, so apparently because I've mentioned Pat Condell once before in a comment that was on a post that mentioned Pat Condell, that makes this a "pet issue." You are definitely reaching, but congratulations on the amateur investigative work, Encyclopedia Brown. And no, this is not an "axe." In case you didn't notice, not only is this a "Coulter" thread, but it is also a "hate speech" thread.

And the reason I don't have many comments in my history is because, 1) I've been a member for less than 5 months, 2) these pages take forever to load because all the comments are on one page so I seldom want to bother with it, and 3) I have other things to do besides posting an average of about 150 comments a month. If you want to call me a troll, fine. If I'm such a troll, then just ignore me. That would at least keep you from getting on my nerves.

996 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:44:57pm

re: #995 mcmeador

Criticizing someone's free doctrinal choices, whether they be political or religious, cannot be reasonably considered to be in the same class with demeaning their essential nature (racism, sexism, homophobia). In the first case, you are criticizing their willfully appropriated ideas; in the second, you are disparaging them as individual members of a genetically determined group that you dislike - that is, due to something over which (unlike politics or religion) they have no control. This is why we consider Muslims' claims of racism to be laughably illegitimate; we know that they're trying to tap into a grievance well that they cannot credibly claim.

997 BLBfootballs  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:54:16pm

re: #955 LudwigVanQuixote

I couldn't agree with you more about America's salutary effects on religion -- by not having a Mommy Government telling us what to believe, religions in America have flourished. As importantly it has created (a now deteriorating) space for people to figure out just what they believe.

As for

Thus, when Coulter gets up and says such clearly inflammatory stuff as a representative of Conservative values, she is not just pissing lots of people off and painting a picture of Conservatives as religiously intolerant, but she is jettisoning American political values.

Sorry, but.... puh-lease! Of course she's inflammatory and pissing people off! That's Ann Coulter's job! She's a professional bombthrower and that's why she's widely hated and very well-known. She knows exactly what she's doing. But unless she's calling for the US Government to begin calling non-Christians to Jesus, she is quite pointedly not "jettisoning American political values". She's just being her usual outspoken self. That's not un-American, it's just theologically impolite.

Now if she actually supports a white supremacist group I'd say that, by contrast, is un-American and strikes at the heart of the American value structure. I understand you don't like her apparent theology...but give me a break; the belief that unbelievers are perfected by belief in Jesus is just plain vanilla Christian doctrine. So what exactly are you angry at her for? Saying it?!

The fact that Ukrainian Catholics mass-murdered Jews 300 years ago (and 60 years ago) is not a convincing indictment against the beliefs of contemporary American Christians -- who have certainly done no such thing.

As for bringing down the hammer on Islamists and fundies... if any Muslim, Christian or other religious group wants to impose religious law, subvert the Constitution and overthrow the republic, I think they should be monitored and observed very closely. The reality is that the vast majority of Christians who believe that non-believers will go to hell in the afterlife don't want to do those things. And being theologically offensive shouldn't be reason enough to get the FBI on your tail!

re: #554 NY Nana

I am a Jew, and that remark from that bitch, and your post, are as offensive as hell to me.

Uh, OK.

"I'm offended" is the least powerful avenue of rejoinder imaginable. I might be offended by 90% of what I see every day. Big deal. We still have to deal with real life. And in the real world millions of Christians believe that non-believers will go to hell in the afterlife. And in this life they treat their neighbors with respect and decency and support the Constitution and American freedom and religious liberty. That's real too.

998 teleskiguy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:22:58pm

Thank you Charles for being a cogent and principled righty. I've tried to get Coultergeist's (sorry about the Countdown reference, I know how much you hate that shill Olbermann) column out of the local paper here for some time. Coulter doesn't help conservative thought in America, it's plainly clear she poisons the discourse. Ever since after 9/11, when she said that we need to kill thier leaders and convert them to Christianity, I've discounted her arguments. I'm telling my righty friends about you and this site, you are doing a great service for the "right" way of thinking.

999 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:24:43pm

re: #995 mcmeador

Wow, so apparently because I've mentioned Pat Condell once before in a comment that was on a post that mentioned Pat Condell, that makes this a "pet issue." You are definitely reaching, but congratulations on the amateur investigative work, Encyclopedia Brown. And no, this is not an "axe." In case you didn't notice, not only is this a "Coulter" thread, but it is also a "hate speech" thread.

And the reason I don't have many comments in my history is because, 1) I've been a member for less than 5 months, 2) these pages take forever to load because all the comments are on one page so I seldom want to bother with it, and 3) I have other things to do besides posting an average of about 150 comments a month. If you want to call me a troll, fine. If I'm such a troll, then just ignore me. That would at least keep you from getting on my nerves.

For the thousandth time, it's tu quoque logical fallacy.
Deal with the issue at hand, namely Ann Coulter's defense of a white supremacist group, instead of bringing up Condell.

1000 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:19:13pm
1001 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:37:45pm

re: #1000 whatdafuq

Get off my website.

1002 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:52:42pm

re: #998 teleskiguy

Thank you Charles for being a cogent and principled righty. I've tried to get Coultergeist's (sorry about the Countdown reference, I know how much you hate that shill Olbermann) column out of the local paper here for some time. Coulter doesn't help conservative thought in America, it's plainly clear she poisons the discourse. Ever since after 9/11, when she said that we need to kill thier leaders and convert them to Christianity, I've discounted her arguments. I'm telling my righty friends about you and this site, you are doing a great service for the "right" way of thinking.

She has said a lot of outrageous things since 9/11. Maybe she felt upstaged or something.

1003 mcmeador  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 3:20:47pm

re: #996 Salamantis

Criticizing someone's free doctrinal choices, whether they be political or religious, cannot be reasonably considered to be in the same class with demeaning their essential nature (racism, sexism, homophobia). In the first case, you are criticizing their willfully appropriated ideas; in the second, you are disparaging them as individual members of a genetically determined group that you dislike - that is, due to something over which (unlike politics or religion) they have no control. This is why we consider Muslims' claims of racism to be laughably illegitimate; we know that they're trying to tap into a grievance well that they cannot credibly claim.

Ok, so the LGF definition of hate speech shall not pertain to religion. Because religion is a choice, we're all free to say whatever hateful things we want about various religions and their followers here on this site because LGF's policy against hate speech does not apply. I'm glad we cleared that up.

1004 mcmeador  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 3:24:54pm

Oh, also I want to make sure this is clear for future reference...if we can prove that a certain homosexual is homosexual by choice rather than natural inclination, can we feel free to make fun of his his/her sexuality?

And sex changes? How shall we handle those? I mean we're not supposed to demean people on the basis of gender, but if they choose to change genders, that's fair game...right?

1005 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:16:45pm

re: #1003 mcmeador

Ok, so the LGF definition of hate speech shall not pertain to religion. Because religion is a choice, we're all free to say whatever hateful things we want about various religions and their followers here on this site because LGF's policy against hate speech does not apply. I'm glad we cleared that up.

We're certainly free to citicize religious tenets that we find to be morally abhorrent. Including, but not restricted to, morally abhorrent Islamist religious tenets.

It's an all or nothing proposition; either you cannot criticize the tenets ofANY religion, or you are free to criticize them ALL.

1006 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:20:33pm

re: #1004 mcmeador

Oh, also I want to make sure this is clear for future reference...if we can prove that a certain homosexual is homosexual by choice rather than natural inclination, can we feel free to make fun of his his/her sexuality?

You would be hard pressed to prove such a thing. Especially concerning the societal disadvantages that are incumbent upon being homosexual.

And sex changes? How shall we handle those? I mean we're not supposed to demean people on the basis of gender, but if they choose to change genders, that's fair game...right?

People who change genders feel naturally inclined to do so; otherwise they wouldn't go to the trouble of doing it, and suffering the social disadvantages of doing so.

1007 mcmeador  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:06:53pm

re: #1005 Salamantis

We're certainly free to citicize religious tenets that we find to be morally abhorrent. Including, but not restricted to, morally abhorrent Islamist religious tenets.

It's an all or nothing proposition; either you cannot criticize the tenets ofANY religion, or you are free to criticize them ALL.

There you go letting this turn into a debate about free speech. In case you didn't notice, this is not a forum of free speech. We're not allowed to say whatever we want to say here. Charles controls that, and he often deletes things that he does not agree with or that he finds offensive. We're all free to criticize race and sexuality as well. But I'm sure that won't fly here. And the discussion is over what will be allowed here. The conclusion seems to be that Charles will not allow hateful things to be said about race, gender, sexuality, etc., but religion is fair game.

re: #1006 Salamantis

People who change genders feel naturally inclined to do so; otherwise they wouldn't go to the trouble of doing it, and suffering the social disadvantages of doing so.

Well there are social disadvantages to being a porn star, so are we to believe that people are naturally inclined to pursue that career? In that case, I guess we wouldn't be fair to criticize them, would we? People feel natural inclinations to murder. Are they off limits as well? Because that would be hate speech, right?

Oh...and the biggie...it's also suggested that people are naturally inclined to believe in a higher power (a.k.a. to be religious). Uh oh...

1008 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:47:49pm

re: #1007 mcmeador

There you go letting this turn into a debate about free speech. In case you didn't notice, this is not a forum of free speech. We're not allowed to say whatever we want to say here. Charles controls that, and he often deletes things that he does not agree with or that he finds offensive. We're all free to criticize race and sexuality as well. But I'm sure that won't fly here. And the discussion is over what will be allowed here. The conclusion seems to be that Charles will not allow hateful things to be said about race, gender, sexuality, etc., but religion is fair game.

And that is because race, gender and sexuality are about intrinsic physical and behavioral characteristics, while religion is about voluntarily embraced ideas. Genes vs. memes. Ideas can be debated; characteristics can only be attacked.

Well there are social disadvantages to being a porn star, so are we to believe that people are naturally inclined to pursue that career? In that case, I guess we wouldn't be fair to criticize them, would we? People feel natural inclinations to murder. Are they off limits as well? Because that would be hate speech, right?

People individuallychoose to become porn stars (because there's money in it) or to murder (for a variety of reasons), but they aren't born to be either.

Oh...and the biggie...it's also suggested that people are naturally inclined to believe in a higher power (a.k.a. to be religious). Uh oh...

This has indeed been suggested by some. But, since far from everyone believes in higher powers (check out the Buddhists, and Taoists and Confucians, for example, not even to mention secular atheists), it is highly unlikely to be a genetically based exigency.

1009 OrtegaGasset  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:13:54pm

Charles, Sifty, LandShark

Several points:

1. I am NOT defending Coulter, nor playing "Devil's Advocate". By "mis-interpret" I do NOT mean her blameless. Rather, I mean that, in analyzing Coulter, we might want to recognise that her motivation may well be a matter of publicity and money rather than sincere intellectual issues. Please don't assume her either honest or sincere!

2. If my speculation about her is right, that might make her actions (defending CCC, attacking 9/11 widows, ....) even worse because they would be motivated by completely insincere publicity-seeking rather than sincerity, though it's hard to say which is worse.

3. Coulter has placed us in the classic dilemma of those disgusted by racists (CCC) or defenders of racists (Coulter): If Coulter (and presumably CCC) want publicity most of all, is it better to refute them (on the widely-read LGF) and so inadvertently give them publicity, or not refute them and so leave their nonsense unchallenged? It's not an appetizing choice, either way.

By the way, myself partially minority, I note that CCC's "statement of principles" was written by the late Sam Francis, a notorious, paleo-conservative, racist nut. It contains the following:

We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind

That one statement is enough to show the organisation to be lunatic racists. Has Coulter addressed that statement? (Apparently not.)

1010 OrtegaGasset  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:17:05pm

P.S. My alternate, simplistic theory about Coulter is that she's a nut herself. But if so, she's a very self-promoting nut.

1011 mcmeador  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:16:57am

re: #1008 Salamantis

And that is because race, gender and sexuality are about intrinsic physical and behavioral characteristics, while religion is about voluntarily embraced ideas. Genes vs. memes. Ideas can be debated; characteristics can only be attacked.

Actually, there is no proof that homosexuality is intrinsic or genetic. Does that mean we're free to make fun of it? You argue that a God gene very likely doesn't exist in an attempt to justify being allowed to say whatever hateful things you want about religion. There's no convincing evidence that there is a gay gene, so it's fair game then?

People individuallychoose to become porn stars (because there's money in it) or to murder (for a variety of reasons), but they aren't born to be either.

Actually, from what I've seen, there is currently more evidence linking violence to genetics than there is linking homosexuality to genetics.

This has indeed been suggested by some. But, since far from everyone believes in higher powers (check out the Buddhists, and Taoists and Confucians, for example, not even to mention secular atheists), it is highly unlikely to be a genetically based exigency.

Well the fundamental flaw in your argument (when you're trying to argue that homosexuality is intrinsic or genetic) is that not everyone is gay. So by your logic, this would mean that it is highly unlikely that homosexuality is a genetically-based exigency, and therefore, like religion, it is open to hateful criticism on this basis.

1012 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:31:07pm

Disgusting.

1013 Salamantis  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:44:05pm

re: #1011 mcmeador

Actually, there is no proof that homosexuality is intrinsic or genetic. Does that mean we're free to make fun of it? You argue that a God gene very likely doesn't exist in an attempt to justify being allowed to say whatever hateful things you want about religion. There's no convincing evidence that there is a gay gene, so it's fair game then?

Actually, German studies of women who conceived in the disastrous aftermath of WW II, showed that they had many more homosexual children than the baseline rate. Subsequent investigations showed that this was because elevated stress levels during a critical period in fetal development produced a different kind of hormonal bath that caused areas of the midbrain that control such things to grow differently (these differences are quite noticeable on MRIs, and are configurational differences between gays and straights, just like there are configurational differences between men and women, and complexional differtences between blacks, whites, and asians). This serves an evoltuonary purpose, as far as helping the genes of a particular family survive, as in times of scarcity or danger (the kinds of things that would provoke stress), the childless siblings of a childbearing woman could provide the children with additional care, protection, and resources, increasing the likelihood of the family's genes surviving through hard times. This (producing such a different hormonal bath in response to stress) is PRECISELY the sort of thing that would be genetically selected for.

Actually, from what I've seen, there is currently more evidence linking violence to genetics than there is linking homosexuality to genetics.

Violence is only linked to genetics in rare cases, such as the abnormal XYY sex gene. The info. above is solid evidence of a mediated selected and evolved genetic link to the birth of homosexuals.

Well the fundamental flaw in your argument (when you're trying to argue that homosexuality is intrinsic or genetic) is that not everyone is gay. So by your logic, this would mean that it is highly unlikely that homosexuality is a genetically-based exigency, and therefore, like religion, it is open to hateful criticism on this basis.

How fucking dumb can one troll be? Not everyone is blonde, or brunette, or redheaded, or brown eyed, or blue eyed, or green eyed, or male, or female, or black, or white, or asian, either, but they're ALL genetically linked. Geez; did you take a stupid pill or something? Read some fucking Gregor Mendel, why doncha?

1014 mcmeador  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:04:00pm

Argue yourself into a corner and resort to cursing and name-calling in an attempt to fight your way out of it...pathetic. You can't even see the obvious flaw in your argument. You argue that people aren't born to believe in a higher power simply because not everyone does, but that homosexuals are born to be homosexual despite the fact that not everyone is a homosexual. You use an "all or nothing" principle for religion, but not for homosexuality.

Yeah, not everyone is blonde, brunette, or redheaded. But what's your point? That in no way refutes what I'm saying. That only reinforces that some people are born one way, while some people are born another. This simple matter of common sense makes your conclusion that religion is not a predisposition simply because not everyone is religious completely and utterly absurd.

1015 mcmeador  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:44:33pm

re: #978 Charles

It's becoming more and more common to see "right-wing" Christians trying to co-opt the tactics of the left, and define "hate speech" downward, so that it includes anyone who criticizes their religion.

Yes, I do see a similarity in tactics here, between the OIC, who are trying to get blasphemy classified as "hate speech," and the point of view you're advocating, which is that your religion should somehow be above criticism -- and above mockery.

For what it's worth, I don't agree with Pat Condell's sometimes-offensive approach to religion; it's not my style to do that. But calling it hate speech is simply wrong. Harsh, yes. Offensive, yes. But it's over the top and rather thin-skinned to say that because you're offended by someone criticizing your viewpoints, they're "hating" you.

I just noticed this as I was scanning through. I missed it earlier because I normally just do a search for my screen name to find comments where people have replied directly to me or quoted me (meaning my screen name shows up in their posts).

As I've made clear since my first comment in this topic (and as I've stated in other topics), I am not really a religious person. I don't dismiss the possibility that there is a God, but I don't necessarily believe there is one either. However, I am definitely respectful towards religion, and Pat Condell's videos offend me because his purpose is clearly to offend and demean religious people. But you have no basis to label me as a "'right-wing' Christian" or to accuse me of being offended by Condell simply because he is attacking my views or my religion. The views he is attacking are not mine, and my lack of a religion makes it difficult for him to attack mine. I'm not labeling you as a racial minority for being offended by the CCC. You obviously just don't like people being hateful and offensive to others purely for the sake of doing so, and neither do I.

Also, I am in no way urging religious criticism (hateful or not) to be classified as hate speech in any official capacity. A legal definition of any kind of "hate speech" is a ridiculous idea. If someone wants to stand at a podium and yell the most racist/sexist/anti-religious/whatever things he can think of, more power to him. The consequences are his to deal with, but I don't believe one of those consequences should be legal punishment for speaking his mind. I've repeated several times that the discussion is over what you will permit. You control the field here. If you don't believe that saying hateful things about religion falls under your definition of hate speech that you will not tolerate or promote, then that's how it will be.

1016 Salamantis  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:27:01pm

re: #1014 mcmeador

Argue yourself into a corner and resort to cursing and name-calling in an attempt to fight your way out of it...pathetic. You can't even see the obvious flaw in your argument. You argue that people aren't born to believe in a higher power simply because not everyone does, but that homosexuals are born to be homosexual despite the fact that not everyone is a homosexual. You use an "all or nothing" principle for religion, but not for homosexuality.

That is because homosexuality depends upon the existence of nonhomosexual, fertile siblings for its evolutionary raison d'etre, unlike a God gene would, which would not spell the end of the human race if everyone had it. D'oh!

Yeah, not everyone is blonde, brunette, or redheaded. But what's your point? That in no way refutes what I'm saying. That only reinforces that some people are born one way, while some people are born another. This simple matter of common sense makes your conclusion that religion is not a predisposition simply because not everyone is religious completely and utterly absurd.

Not only does the above distinction apply, but also frequently, people who lacked religious faith embrace it, and people who had religious faith lose it. This would not be possible if faith were genetically determined. Blacks, whites, asians, and people of certain hair or eye color don't change them (except for cosmetically, and not in reality). And it requires surgical intervention to change genders.

Some churches have attempted to change homosexuals back into heterosexuals. Such efforts have been met with widespread suicide and reversion.

1017 Salamantis  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:30:52pm

re: #1015 mcmeador

To redefine all criticism of religious tenets as hate speech against religion is to forbid criticism of them altogether. Like those intrusive anuses at the UN are endeavoring to do. All Communism and Fascism would have to do to achieve protected status would be to proclaim themselves to be religious faiths.

1018 Salamantis  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:36:28pm

One other thing; genetically determined traits possess physical substrates. With blacks, whites, asians, men, women, and hair and eye color, these anatomical differences are obvious. With gays, they are less so, because they are found in the midbrain, but MRIs can unequivocably reveal them to view.

Can you point to any anatomical differences between believers and nonbelievers? You can't even point to the hypothesized God Gene, because all it is is a conjecture; no one has ever found one.

1019 Salamantis  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:52:29pm

And finally, all women COULD share the genetic predisposition to subject their fetuses to different hormonal baths when under extreme stress. But NOT all, or even most, expectant mothers are under placed such extreme stress; in fact, the vast majority of them are NOT. And in the absence of the extreme stress, the different hormonal bath is not triggered. So the vast majority of children born would not have been subjected to a different hormonal bath, and therefore would not be born gay, even while the genetic predisposition to subject their fetuses to different hormonal baths could be universal among human women.

1020 NCusTranshumanist  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:25:41am

As evidenced by her statement that Jews must convert to Christianity to be "perfected", Ann Coulter has shed any sort of pretense. She is ardently, and openly, a Christian supremacist theocrat.

And like Sunnis getting together with Shiites to fight "the great Satan" (which the CIA never thought could happen, but did), she'll throw in with anyone who appears to advance Christian supremacy, no matter how vile.


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