The Return of the Nirthers

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Believe it or not, there are still some Republican politicians who refuse to let go of the world’s stupidest conspiracy theory: Lawmakers look dumb for reviving Obama hoax.

Four Tennessee state representatives, all Republicans, have signed up to be plaintiffs in a lawsuit against President Barack Obama, aimed at forcing him to prove he is a United States citizen by coughing up his birth certificate.

Let me just say what all the world is now thinking, including their fellow Republicans on the Hill: This is dumber than a box of rocks.

Tennessee Reps. Eric Swafford, Stacey Campfield, Glen Casada and Frank Nicely now have a giant “G” on their foreheads for “Gullible.” The four were so willing to drink the craziest flavor of Kool-Aid, they’ve gotten themselves caught up in a national urban legend that has been thoroughly debunked.

(Hat tip: Dan Cleary.)

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665 comments
1 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:00:36pm

The insanity knows no bounds.

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:01:11pm

I swear, this story is like a cockroach infestation. What does it take to kill it?

3 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:01:53pm

Oh, what the hey. I can stay up a few more minutes for Nirthers!

4 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:02:35pm

These Neanderthals will set the GOP back another 20 years if they don't STFU.

5 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:02:43pm

Tennessee Reps. Eric Swafford, Stacey Campfield, Glen Casada and Frank Nicely now have a giant “G” on their foreheads for “Gullible.” The four were so willing to drink the craziest flavor of Kool-Aid, they’ve gotten themselves caught up in a national urban legend that has been thoroughly debunked.

If it's Tennessee, it must be a rural legend, too.

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(Apologies to all Tennesseeans, including Glenn Reynolds.)

6 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:03:02pm
Four Tennessee state representatives, all Republicans

*whimper*

7 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:03:23pm

Oh jeez. More clowns. They're everywhere!

8 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:03:23pm

Who wants to wager they're also creationists?

9 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:03:32pm

Oh Noeth ,,, Noth Againth !

10 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:03:42pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

I swear, this story is like a cockroach infestation. What does it take to kill it?

Well, take the example of the urban legend that was killed by . . . um . . . well . . . er . . .

11 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:03:59pm

Paging Pamela! Your freinds nead you're help! Opan a frech bottel of vodcka and stark tiping.

12 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:04:08pm

re: #4 jorline

These Neanderthals will set the GOP back another 20 years if they don't STFU.

Or 6,000 years if....
.............nevermind.

13 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:04:17pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Who wants to wager they're also creationists?

They all eat eggs too, i'll bet!

14 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:05:01pm

*sigh* I work with (likely more than) one.

15 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:05:27pm

re: #6 MandyManners

*whimper*

I'm commiserating right along with ya, Mandy.
Maybe they're from East Tennessee. ;)

16 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:06:21pm

Don't these effin pinheads realize that there are far bigger and more important real issues that conservatives / GOP can debate and communicate to the people than to marginalize themselves and the rest of us with this assinine subject?

I think we've found some Republicans that need to get introduced to some clue by fours.....and new jobs come next election.

17 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:06:30pm

re: #10 gmsc

Well, take the example of the urban legend that was killed by . . . um . . . well . . . er . . .

Mr. President, is that you? Should I get you your teleprompter?

/kidding

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:06:44pm

What do they envision happening if they can prove he's NOT a U.S. citizen? Does Biden take office in that event?

I'm sure that's what they're gunning for.

19 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:06:59pm

re: #15 Dar ul Harb

But I kid.
Hiya, Prof. Reynolds!

20 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:07:05pm

Turtles belowwwwwwwwwwwwww!

21 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:07:08pm

re: #12 solomonpanting

Or 6,000 years if....
.............nevermind.

lol...at least they're not new earthers.

22 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:07:18pm

re: #13 sattv4u2

They all eat eggs too, i'll bet!

Oh, sure, another eggist who goes out of his way to ignore the real problem: bread

The bread lobbyists have been covering up this report for years, now the truth must be told.

More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread eaters.

Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.

In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 50 years; infant mortality rates were unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid, yellow fever and influenza ravaged whole nations.

More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.

Bread is made from a substance called "dough." It has been proven that as little as one pound of dough can be used to suffocate a mouse. The average American eats more bread than that in one month!

Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low occurrence of cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease and osteoporosis.

Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after only two days.

Bread is often a "gateway" food item, leading the user to "harder" items such as butter, jelly, peanut butter and even cold cuts.

Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 90 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person.

Newborn babies can choke on bread.

Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.

Most American bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.

In light of these frightening statistics, we propose the following bread restrictions:

No sale of bread to minors.
No advertising of bread within 1000 feet of a school.
A 300 percent federal tax on all bread to pay for all the societal ills we might associate with bread.
No animal or human images, nor any primary colors (which may appeal to children) may be used to promote bread usage.
Hardcore bread use or "Toasting" will be banned outright

23 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:07:43pm

Here's a place to start.

[Link: www.tngop.org...]

24 yesandno  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:07:53pm

Nothing like a little conspiracy in the morning to get the juices flowing....

Now, how about getting back to the office and getting to the PEOPLE'S BUSINESS?

While you are wasting time on this and making every Republican look like some kind of idiot by association stimulus packages get passed and fairness doctrine's get initiated. Find a cause that MATTERS to everyone, no just you.

/can't stand one issue people......

25 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:02pm

re: #21 jorline

lol...at least they're not new earthers.

New bearthers?

26 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:11pm

re: #22 gmsc

I wish I had a second 9third, forth, fifth , etc etc) log in to upding you more

27 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:14pm

re: #22 gmsc

Pssst, I've got some fresh sourdough for ya, only $1 an ounce.....

28 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:16pm

Hi lizards. Looks like I missed a couple interesting threads.

BTW....some breaking news...

British and French Nuclear Subs Crash in Atlantic

British and French nuclear submarines which collided deep under the Atlantic could have sunk or released deadly radioactivity, it emerged on Sunday.

The Royal Navy’s HMS Vanguard and the French Navy’s Le Triomphant are both nuclear powered and were carrying nuke missiles.

Between them they had around 250 sailors on board.

A senior Navy source said: “The potential consequences are unthinkable. It’s very unlikely there would have been a nuclear explosion.

“But a radioactive leak was a possibility. Worse, we could have lost the crew and warheads. That would have been a national disaster.”

The collision is believed to have taken place on February 3 or 4, in mid-Atlantic. Both subs were submerged and on separate missions.

As inquiries began, naval sources said it was a millions-to-one unlucky chance both subs were in the same patch of sea. Warships have sonar gear which locates submarines by sound waves.

But modern anti-sonar technology is so good it is possible neither boat “saw” the other.

A senior military source said: “The lines between London and Paris have been hot.”

The MoD insisted last night there had been no nuclear security breach. But this is the biggest embarrassment to the Navy since Iran captured 15 sailors in 2007. The naval source said: “Crashing a nuclear submarine is as serious as it gets.”

29 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:17pm

re: #20 Floral Giraffe

Turtles belowwwwwwwwwwwwww!

...and nirth sertifikits above?

30 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:20pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Who wants to wager they're also creationists?

If they are, they've not done anything about it.

31 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:21pm
32 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:26pm

re: #16 Athos

Don't these effin pinheads realize that there are far bigger and more important real issues that conservatives / GOP can debate and communicate to the people than to marginalize themselves and the rest of us with this assinine subject?

I think we've found some Republicans that need to get introduced to some clue by fours.....and new jobs come next election.

Clue by fours, then brooms and sweep this trash out of office.

33 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:08:47pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Who wants to wager they're also creationists?

And, how did you reckon this?

34 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:09:27pm

re: #33 MandyManners

Just being a pissy smart-ass. I'm going to go get a drink.

35 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:09:33pm

Speaking of which...Cunningham has Jerome Corsi on now.

36 yesandno  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:09:54pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

What do they envision happening if they can prove he's NOT a U.S. citizen? Does Biden take office in that event?

I'm sure that's what they're gunning for.


That would be choice....

or maybe he would refuse and then Nancy follows..

/threw up a little right then....

37 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:10:27pm

Swafford.

[Link: www.ericswafford.com...]

38 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:10:36pm
39 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:10:41pm

This is their lottery ticket. Their "Easy Button". Their "Get Out Of Jail Free" card. These are the types who always said "wouldn't it be great if this Monopoly money was real" -but actually let themselves get bummed out because it wasn't. This is the political equivalent of hoping mom and dad can get you out of a scrape.

40 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:11:14pm

re: #35 jorline

Speaking of which...Cunningham has Jerome Corsi on now.

And Corsi is talking about the birth certificate now.

Turning off Cunningham now.

41 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:11:55pm

Silly question, but , wouldn't the bith certificate question have to have been resolved before he was a US Senator?

42 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:12:03pm

They are making that moronic SNL sketch last night look reasonable.

43 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:12:24pm

PIMF, BIRTH certificate!

44 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:12:29pm

Campfield.

[Link: lastcar.blogspot.com...]

45 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:13:07pm

re: #41 Floral Giraffe

Silly question, but , wouldn't the bith certificate question have to have been resolved before he was a US Senator?

Nah, that takes common sense...

46 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:13:31pm

re: #43 Floral Giraffe

Nith certificate?

47 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:13:37pm

Not really OT: Who's that with nirther quean Pamela Geller?

A camo mask, Nazi-style helmet, sunglasses and a death's head on his T-shirt.

You're the shit Pamela. Literally.

48 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:13:42pm

Glen Casada.

49 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:14:03pm

re: #46 swamprat

Nith certificate?

So that would be the Revenge of the Nith?

50 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:14:15pm

re: #41 Floral Giraffe

Silly question, but , wouldn't the bith certificate question have to have been resolved before he was a US Senator?

He runs as a DEMOCRAT ,,, THEY don't need no stinkin verification!

//

51 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:14:16pm

Wow, this country has really turned upside down. Insane.

52 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:14:48pm

re: #46 swamprat

You too, can laugh at my typing! It's really bad!

53 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:14:56pm

re: #44 MandyManners

Campfield.

[Link: lastcar.blogspot.com...]

Campfield nirthers sing this song,
Doo dah, doo dah,
Nirther Cases five years long,
All the doo-dah day . . .

54 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:15:25pm

re: #52 Floral Giraffe
I'm worse. Trust me.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:15:25pm

This is the one I simply do not get. His mother was a U.S. citizen. There is simply no scenario by which this works out, unless they're saying he wasn't actually his mother's son.

56 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:15:31pm

Frank Nicely.

I can't find squat about Frank.

57 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:15:42pm

Once upon a time, in a land far, far away, lived a Republic......

58 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:16:19pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Just being a pissy smart-ass. I'm going to go get a drink.

You? A pissy smart-ass?

Nevah.

59 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:16:21pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the one I simply do not get. His mother was a U.S. citizen. There is simply no scenario by which this works out, unless they're saying he wasn't actually his mother's son.

Well ,,, for an Obamassiha ,, there IS that whole "Immaculate Conception" thingy !

60 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:16:23pm

When will the stupidity end? I mean come on. Hasn't this been beaten down and kicked to the curb enough times? He won, in his own words even. Some one in the DNC would have had to done at least this much homework even before he started running for his job. The more people speak up about this the more they will ridicule you, and in the long term US!

61 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:16:25pm

Illinois GOP leader calls on Sen. Burris to resign.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

62 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:16:44pm
63 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:17:35pm

Hi.

64 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:17:53pm

re: #53 gmsc

Where's buzzsawmonkey gmsc, and what have you done to him?

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:18:02pm

re: #59 sattv4u2

Well ,,, for an Obamassiha ,, there IS that whole "Immaculate Conception" thingy !

Even Jesus had a mommy. Everyone has a mommy. Mr. Obama had a mommy too. And she was from AMERICA!

I feel as though I am teaching Sunday School for the criminally insane here, people.

66 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:18:07pm

re: #60 BlueCanuck

See you in 2010, I'll be in the voting booth next to you....

67 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:18:08pm

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

Hi.

& Lois

68 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:18:11pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the one I simply do not get. His mother was a U.S. citizen. There is simply no scenario by which this works out, unless they're saying he wasn't actually his mother's son.

The birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper sealed it for me. There are many other valid reasons why Obama has no business being president. The nirthers just want to take the cheap, lazy way out.

69 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:18:20pm

re: #61 Dustyvet

Illinois GOP leader calls on Sen. Burris to resign.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Corsi's checking into Burris's birth certificate soon.
/

70 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:18:20pm

re: #28 NJDhockeyfan

Hi lizards. Looks like I missed a couple interesting threads.

BTW....some breaking news...

British and French Nuclear Subs Crash in Atlantic

354,700,000 cubic kilometers of water and they manage to collide? These countries out of all the possibilities? Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

71 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:18:47pm

Oh for Fuck's sake - what the hell is wrong with these people? Seriously, I think each of 'em are several bricks shy of a load.

72 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:19:12pm

Folks, I grew up in Tennessee. I've roots there going way-back before it was admitted to the Union. I have a deep and abiding love for that state.

Remember the Scopes' Trial?

73 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:19:13pm

re: #69 jorline

Corsi's checking into Burris's birth certificate soon.
/

He's Norwegian!

/

74 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:19:20pm

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

Hi.

Hey Walter.

How was the theater today?

75 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:19:32pm

re: #67 Bloodnok

& Lois

Dang you have to be fast around here...:)

76 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:19:54pm

re: #66 Floral Giraffe

Nope, won't see me. I can't vote in your elections. Something about citizenship requriements I think.

/or I could go get some help from ACORN...

77 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:20:02pm

re: #72 MandyManners

Folks, I grew up in Tennessee. I've roots there going way-back before it was admitted to the Union. I have a deep and abiding love for that state.

Remember the Scopes' Trial?

I could have sworn you were younger than that.
/

78 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:20:06pm

Hi Realwest! No, they're a few fries short of a happy meal :)

79 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:20:07pm

re: #73 Ward Cleaver

He's Norwegian!

/

So he's Norse of a whole different color?

/

80 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:20:11pm

re: #64 BlueCanuck

Where's buzzsawmonkey gmsc, and what have you done to him?

I'm not telling.
;)

81 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:20:40pm

re: #71 realwest

Oh for Fuck's sake - what the hell is wrong with these people? Seriously, I think each of 'em are several bricks shy of a load.

hmm,, I seem to recall a Lizard that was pretty hot and heavy on this back in October ,,,, what was his screename ,,, something about a compass point ? Something NORTH ,,, no,, blah blah EAST ,,, nope !


/////

82 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:20:48pm

re: #71 realwest

Oh for Fuck's sake - what the hell is wrong with these people? Seriously, I think each of 'em are several bricks shy of a load.

Why do you say that? Have you researched this issue?

83 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:20:53pm

re: #60 BlueCanuck
Hey Blue! Never mind the DNC - don't you think if there was ANY SEMBLANCE OF TRUTH to this bullshit that Hillary woulda played that card before the convention or at it?!
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

84 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:21:01pm

re: #71 realwest

Oh for Fuck's sake - what the hell is wrong with these people? Seriously, I think each of 'em are several bricks shy of a load.

Two fries short of a happy meal.

85 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:21:02pm

re: #73 Ward Cleaver

He's Norwegian!

/

Corsi's a Norwegian name !?!?!?

//

86 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:21:05pm

Never a dull moment is there. Why would congressmen from Tennessee sign up as plaintiffs to an already decided case?

87 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:21:41pm

re: #84 Dustyvet

Two fries short of a happy meal.

two items short of a combination plate

88 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:22:00pm

re: #53 gmsc

Campfield nirthers sing this song,
Doo dah, doo dah,
Nirther Cases five years long,
All the doo-dah day . . .

Gonna rant all night,
Gonna rant all day,
Bet my money on a bullshit story,
Somebody bet on the bay.

(last line couldn't be changed and still work)

89 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:22:03pm

re: #73 Ward Cleaver

He's Norwegian!

/

Nordic sun worshiper.

90 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:22:22pm

re: #82 MandyManners
I've seen the research on this issue and I've read the SCOTUS case about Obama's citizenship and birth certificate. How about you?

91 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:23:03pm

re: #87 Dustyvet

two items short of a combination plate

Two cans short of a sixpack.

92 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:23:21pm

re: #40 jorline
Figures. Corsi lost all credibility around the NAU and Amero - so its no surprise he's trolling around in nirther waters.

I wonder how John O'Neill thinks having Corsi co-write his book worked out for John's credibility? With Corsi on the book, no wonder so many dismiss the Swifties.

93 TheMatrix31  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:23:27pm

I don't think this is the world's stupidest conspiracy, but it's pretty dumb nonetheless.

94 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:23:29pm

re: #74 jorline

Hey Walter. How was the theater today?

Fine. It was so nice to close one of our best acted and best reviewed and least attended shows.

And we struck the set and put up the next set. Busy day.

95 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:24:11pm

re: #72 MandyManners

Folks, I grew up in Tennessee. I've roots there going way-back before it was admitted to the Union. I have a deep and abiding love for that state.

Remember the Scopes' Trial?

They elected Gore too, both of them...

96 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:24:13pm

Tennessee is not bad. The toothbrush was invented in Tennessee.

Any other state and we would have called it a TEETH-brush.

goodnight

97 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:24:17pm

re: #84 Dustyvet Uh, more than two fries short my friend. My God, this case has been tried in a Federal court and gone up to the SCOTUS and DECIDED already. IN OBAMA'S FAVOR!

98 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:24:45pm

Unreal. I would have figured the "nirth certificate" nonsense was over with. There are so many things they could be looking into and they're focusing on this.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:24:53pm

re: #97 realwest

Uh, more than two fries short my friend. My God, this case has been tried in a Federal court and gone up to the SCOTUS and DECIDED already. IN OBAMA'S FAVOR!

I am surprised that the court could stop giggling long enough to render a verdict.

100 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:25:01pm

re: #96 swamprat

By Joe you're right!

Teethbrush (tm)

101 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:25:22pm

If no one caught my comment on the other thread, I email the Coulter information to a good friend of hers and someone I know. I interested to see what answer I get back.

102 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:25:25pm

re: #94 Walter L. Newton
Ga, attendance down again - or is it because this is a three day weekend for most folks that caused the lower attendance?

103 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:25:45pm

IN YOUR FACE.

Youtube Video
104 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:25:48pm

re: #96 swamprat

That gave my wife (from Tennessee) a big laugh.

105 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:25:52pm

OT: I was really glad I saw Huckabee's show tonight. He's still wrong on many things, But Steve Chapman's singing "Cinderella" was something truly worth hearing and seeing,

106 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:25:55pm

Pakistan Truce Includes Enforcement of Islamic Law

Pakistani officials closed in on a peace deal with a Taliban-linked group Sunday that could lead to enforcement of Islamic law in a part of the country that is supposed to be fully under government control. Militants in the Swat Valley responded by declaring a 10-day cease-fire as a goodwill gesture.

The agreement is expected to be formally announced Monday — and draw criticism from the United States, which has said such deals merely give insurgents time to regroup.

/the Taliban safe haven becomes even safer

107 jcw46  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:26:02pm

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

Hi.


What?

(sorry, I just get tickled everytime I do that especially if you're here. I'll try to taper off)


(seriously, I WILL try to stop doing that.)


(maybe till somebody yells at me?)


(probably not even then. You know the saying "simple minds easily amused"? My picture is next to that entry.)

108 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:26:14pm

re: #85 sattv4u2

Corsi's a Norwegian name !?!?!?

//

No, Burris.

109 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:26:18pm

re: #92 Athos

Figures. Corsi lost all credibility around the NAU and Amero - so its no surprise he's trolling around in nirther waters.

I wonder how John O'Neill thinks having Corsi co-write his book worked out for John's credibility? With Corsi on the book, no wonder so many dismiss the Swifties.

Jerome Corsi...have conspiracy will write book.

110 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:26:18pm

I think now's a good time to hit the hay.

Goodnight (for the second time).

111 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:26:33pm
112 swamprat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:26:43pm

re: #104 jaunte


I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

113 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:26:59pm

re: #90 realwest

I've seen the research on this issue and I've read the SCOTUS case about Obama's citizenship and birth certificate. How about you?

Yep.

114 jaunte  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:27:26pm

re: #112 swamprat

Hurtths mah toof.

115 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:27:44pm

re: #95 Thanos
Thanos, this is not about Tennessee! It's about four folks, state representatives all, who decided to join a lawsuit that was already over or start a new one of their own so they could be bitch slapped down by the Courts. Period.

116 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:27:46pm

re: #102 realwest

Ga, attendance down again - or is it because this is a three day weekend for most folks that caused the lower attendance?

Nope. Two reasons. One is, very good heavy theatre piece, well acted and produced, but not commercial. Bad choice on our part.

Reason two, economy. Attendance is down in all live theatre's in Denver area.

117 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:27:59pm

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

Fine. It was so nice to close one of our best acted and best reviewed and least attended shows.

And we struck the set and put up the next set. Busy day.

Glad you're here.

118 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:28:27pm

re: #106 Killian Bundy

Pakistan Truce Includes Enforcement of Islamic Law


/the Taliban safe haven becomes even safer

They've been here done that twice before. It's not going to work.

119 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:28:41pm

re: #95 Thanos

They elected Gore too, both of them...

They're learning.

120 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:29:00pm

The lefties have become leftier, and the right-wingers have become more right-wingier.

/did that come out right?

121 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:29:56pm

re: #120 Ward Cleaver

The lefties have become leftier, and the right-wingers have become more right-wingier.

/did that come out right?

or left!

122 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:30:11pm

re: #113 MandyManners
Then how could you ask me "Why do you say that? Have you researched this issue?" ?

123 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:30:13pm

re: #118 Thanos

They've been here done that twice before. It's not going to work.

Ceasefire=resupply, rest...kidnap a few folks...burn a few schools...

124 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:30:59pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Who wants to wager they're also creationists?


Sharmuta
2/13/09 4:05:55 pm reply quote

re: #914 danrudy

Its just that the sense I get lately on this board is that if you embrace religious dogma you are simply a Nutjob. I am trying to point out that this is certainly not the case.

That's bullshit- most LGFers subscribe to one religion or another. Some subscribe to none, but none of us think people of faith are nutjobs just based on that.


You know...I am not particularly religious but I have a pretty health respect for those who are as I was brought up in a religious environment and school.
I think it is pretty well accepted that if you are a creationist you are likely a religious person. I don't know to many atheists who subscribe to this view.
My whole conversation with you and others on another thread was predicated on the fact that I disliked the tone of the creationist threads since I sense bashing of people of faith as kooks.
You took the time to respond ,as above, that you didnt think people of faith were nutjobs based just upon that (although there might be other factors that allow you to do so).

My assumption from your comments in this thread is that you believe folks who doubt the birthplace of our leader are nut-jobs. Such nutjobs they are that you would likely wager that they also likely religious people who subscribe to the view that humanity, life, earth and the universe were created by a deity.

Now, please explain to me how I was wrong about the tenor of the conversations regarding creationism tending to bash religious folks.

125 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:31:13pm

re: #120 Ward Cleaver

The lefties have become leftier, and the right-wingers have become more right-wingier.

/did that come out right?

The extremes are becoming the normative.

126 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:32:00pm

re: #115 realwest

Thanos, this is not about Tennessee! It's about four folks, state representatives all, who decided to join a lawsuit that was already over or start a new one of their own so they could be bitch slapped down by the Courts. Period.

Bullshit.

127 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:32:02pm

I guess the recap for the last three days would be like this:

RNC Chairman Michael Steele says, "you can't trust us..."

Ann Coulter defends white nationalist group. To speak later at CPAC held in high regard by Republican law makers.

Republican congressmen to act as plaintiffs in a case already decided by the courts regarding Barack Obama's birth certificate.

128 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:32:16pm

re: #5 gmsc

That's okay. Those of us in Nashville and Memphis... that'd be your urbanites... have even started wearing shoes on weekdays.
:)
Seriously, I've never even heard of these guys. We forget we even have a statehouse for the most part.

129 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:32:26pm

re: #87 Dustyvet

two items short of a combination plate

Two sides short of a hexagon.

130 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:32:26pm

re: #115 realwest

Thanos, this is not about Tennessee! It's about four folks, state representatives all, who decided to join a lawsuit that was already over or start a new one of their own so they could be bitch slapped down by the Courts. Period.

Calm down, I can diss Tennessee all I want to, my mother's side of the family lives there.

131 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:32:41pm

re: #116 Walter L. Newton
Ah, well I'm sorry Walter - I guess it's the economy or something.
I've heard (but can't remember where) that movie theater attendance is down for the last 6 months or so too.
Say, what's the difference in the price of a movie ticket in your area vs. the price of a ticket to your theater for that show?

132 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:33:13pm

re: #123 Dustyvet

Ceasefire=resupply, rest...kidnap a few folks...burn a few schools...

I don't think there are any schools left to burn... I could be wrong though.

133 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:33:42pm

re: #125 Syrah

The extremes are becoming the normative.

That's what I meant. It's like 1930s Europe, except not as extreme. Yet.

134 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:33:46pm

Chavez Wins Referendum to Eliminate Term Limits

(self deleted)

135 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:33:48pm

re: #132 Thanos

I don't think there are any schools left to burn... I could be wrong though.

True...

136 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:33:52pm

re: #124 danrudy

My assumption from your comments in this thread is that you believe folks who doubt the birthplace of our leader are nut-jobs.

People who refuse to accept that the State of Hawaii has vouched for the authenticity of Barack Obama's birth certificate are not just nutjobs -- they're raving loony nutjobs.

137 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:34:10pm

Senator John Kerry says U.S. eager to talk to Syria

U.S. Senator John Kerry is challenging Syria to demonstrate its seriousness about encouraging peace and stability in the Middle East.

The chairman of the U.S. Senate's Foreign Relations Committee will meet with Syria's president this week on a tour of the region that began Sunday in Egypt.

The U.S. has accused Syria of allowing foreign fighters to cross its border into Iraq, though Syria denies that. Kerry has in the past spoken of his concern about what he said was the flow of money, weapons and terrorists through Syria into Iraq and Lebanon.

In Egypt on Sunday, the senator said the U.S. is eager to talk to Syria, whose president said last month he also wants a dialogue with Washington, but without preconditions.

/Clinton in Asia, Kerry in the Middle East, worst fears realized

138 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:34:40pm

Got a couple of the cookbooks tonight. I'm giving the spare one to my liberal friend who's engaged to a LGF reader. She's been getting really domesticated, cooking, baking, etc. LOL

She once asked me if I wanted her to make me a campaign sign like hers, "Pretty Girls for Kerry". I told her no thanks, I'd have to stick with "Old Bags for Bush".

She will get a laugh out of the cookbook.

139 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:35:10pm

re: #126 MandyManners
"Four Tennessee state representatives, all Republicans, have signed up to be plaintiffs in a lawsuit against President Barack Obama, aimed at forcing him to prove he is a United States citizen by coughing up his birth certificate.

Let me just say what all the world is now thinking, including their fellow Republicans on the Hill: This is dumber than a box of rocks."

140 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:35:59pm

re: #137 Killian Bundy

Senator John Kerry says U.S. eager to talk to Syria

/Clinton in Asia, Kerry in the Middle East, worst fears realized

Somebody please take that son of a bitch for a Swift Boat Ride...

141 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:35:59pm

re: #127 Gus 802
Where did Michale Steele say that? Link please?

142 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:36:06pm

At least it's state idiots, but it reminds me that:

In a recent survey (Rasmussen), 67% of U.S. voters thought they could do better than Congress; and

44% thought a group of people selected at random from the phone book would do a better job than the current Congress - and only 37% disagreed with that. 20% weren't sure.

143 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:36:13pm

re: #139 realwest

"Four Tennessee state representatives, all Republicans, have signed up to be plaintiffs in a lawsuit against President Barack Obama, aimed at forcing him to prove he is a United States citizen by coughing up his birth certificate.

Let me just say what all the world is now thinking, including their fellow Republicans on the Hill: This is dumber than a box of rocks."

Do you have a point?

144 jorline  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:36:17pm

Night all...see ya in the morning.

145 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:36:33pm

re: #137 Killian Bundy

Senator John Kerry says U.S. eager to talk to Syria


/Clinton in Asia, Kerry in the Middle East, worst fears realized

Could be worse. Pelosi could be in Italy getting some silly 'award" ,,,,

oh ,, wait ,,,,, nevermind

146 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:36:45pm

re: #118 Thanos

They've been here done that twice before. It's not going to work.

Zadari is trying to stay safe. He's a normal corrupt politician, and they are not the type to be bold, even when boldness would give the best chance of survival. "Go along to get along" is the watchphrase of his breed.

147 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:36:54pm

re: #141 realwest

I'd have to look it up. It's not the complete statement and out of context but you know the media.

148 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:37:12pm

re: #134 jorline

Chavez Wins Referendum to Eliminate Term Limits

(self deleted)

All that free or cheap shit Chavez handed out has paid off. "A government that's big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take everything you have."

149 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:37:42pm

re: #142 Catttt

At least it's state idiots, but it reminds me that:

In a recent survey (Rasmussen), 67% of U.S. voters thought they could do better than Congress; and

44% thought a group of people selected at random from the phone book would do a better job than the current Congress - and only 37% disagreed with that. 20% weren't sure.

Did some people get to answer twice?

150 MJ  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:38:01pm

re: #134 jorline

Chavez Wins Referendum to Eliminate Term Limits

(self deleted)

Time for Venezuela's Jews to leave that country before Chávez decides to start murdering them.

151 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:38:17pm

re: #128 tradewind

That's okay. Those of us in Nashville and Memphis... that'd be your urbanites... have even started wearing shoes on weekdays.
:)
Seriously, I've never even heard of these guys. We forget we even have a statehouse for the most part.

I have some friends from Tennessee. They're normal for the most part. There are some exchanges I still don't understand:

Me: "Would you like to ride a toboggan?"
Them: "How are you supposed to ride in a hat?"

Me: "So, how do you like Vegas?"
Them: "It's great! I've never seen a strip that's safe at night!"

;)

152 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:38:28pm

re: #141 realwest

Here it is:

[Link: en.sevenload.com...]

Glenn Beck so take it for what it's worth.

153 Max Darkside  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:38:58pm

Obama can put this to rest. He doesn't and so it lives on. I'm sure there is no reason to doubt the Secretary of State of Hawaii, after all, Obama is clean as a whistle, surrounded with people who are honest as angels and we can accept that even though Hawaii allows foreign born persons to have Birth Certificates, it doesn't apply in this case.

154 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:39:00pm

re: #131 realwest

Ah, well I'm sorry Walter - I guess it's the economy or something.
I've heard (but can't remember where) that movie theater attendance is down for the last 6 months or so too.
Say, what's the difference in the price of a movie ticket in your area vs. the price of a ticket to your theater for that show?

I don't go to movies, so I don't know the local movie ticket price. Our ticket prices are 20.00 (18 for seniors and student). Average live theatre prices for small theatre's in the Denver area are 20-45. And price does not reflect quality, it reflects venue size and facility.

We are an award winning theatre, nominated and winner of many local theatre awards and considered one of the best theatre's in the state.

The Denver Center for the Performing Arts is the largest venue in town and they have 7 theatre's in one location, from a small cabaret sized room to a 2500 seat music hall (broadway road shows). The prices there start at about 35 and go up to 125, depending on the show and which of the seven venues.

155 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:39:00pm

re: #148 Ward Cleaver

All that free or cheap shit Chavez handed out has paid off. "A government that's big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take everything you have."

So what does that say about the US these days? I'm not going to try to answer that question, as despair is not how I like to end the day.

156 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:39:24pm

re: #143 MandyManners

You can easily distract realwest from badmouthing TN.

Just mention rude New Yorkers.

157 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:39:50pm

Stacy Campfield is a creationist, opposed to the separation of church and state.

158 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:39:55pm

re: #133 Ward Cleaver

That's what I meant. It's like 1930s Europe, except not as extreme. Yet.

Not yet.

That Trillion Dollar Pork-a-thon that passed out of the Congress on Friday the 13th is helping to push us in that direction.

All the excesses and extremes of Wiemar Germany were propelled along from Germany trying to pay off the Versailles Treaty debt by printing great heaping gobs of money.

Crazy shit becomes normal when the formerly normal becomes forgotten.

159 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:39:57pm

re: #153 Max Darkside

He doesn't because it's a waste of our time and resources and makes us look bad. All good in his book.

160 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:40:32pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Zadari is trying to stay safe. He's a normal corrupt politician, and they are not the type to be bold, even when boldness would give the best chance of survival. "Go along to get along" is the watchphrase of his breed.

AQ's head hunting the PPP and ANP, Zardari's not going to survive if he doesn't get them first. I keep saying that but... don't think anyone in Pakistan is listening.

161 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:40:35pm

re: #153 Max Darkside

Just drop it, please. Know a dead horse when you beat one.

162 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:40:44pm

re: #156 razorbacker

You can easily distract realwest from badmouthing TN.

Just mention rude New Yorkers.

Why should I?

163 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:40:49pm

re: #134 jorline
Jorline - great post and link. Omnious sounds from your link though

"Any attempt to take us down the path of violence, by failing to recognize the results of the people's will, will be neutralized," he proclaimed.

.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if contrived "attempts at violence" by Chavez happened and gave him cover to eliminate his political opponents.

164 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:40:54pm

re: #158 Syrah

Not yet.

That Trillion Dollar Pork-a-thon that passed out of the Congress on Friday the 13th is helping to push us in that direction.

All the excesses and extremes of Wiemar Germany were propelled along from Germany trying to pay off the Versailles Treaty debt by printing great heaping gobs of money.

Crazy shit becomes normal when the formerly normal becomes forgotten.

I love that "Crazy shit becomes normal when the formerly normal becomes forgotten."

165 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:41:21pm

re: #157 Charles

Stacy Campfield is a creationist, opposed to the separation of church and state.

And, this burns me badly.

166 Max Darkside  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:41:22pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Just drop it, please. Know a dead horse when you beat one.

What? I said give him a pass. No need for proof. Just take the Sec'y of State's word.

167 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:42:04pm

re: #153 Max Darkside

Obama can put this to rest. He doesn't and so it lives on. I'm sure there is no reason to doubt the Secretary of State of Hawaii, after all, Obama is clean as a whistle, surrounded with people who are honest as angels and we can accept that even though Hawaii allows foreign born persons to have Birth Certificates, it doesn't apply in this case.

/what part of he's already President isn't registering?

168 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:42:05pm

re: #157 Charles

Gee, what a surprise.

I might be getting a headache.

169 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:42:17pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Just drop it, please. Know a dead horse when you beat one.

It's like the first rule of hole digging......

170 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:42:26pm

re: #136 Charles

People who refuse to accept that the State of Hawaii has vouched for the authenticity of Barack Obama's birth certificate are not just nutjobs -- they're raving loony nutjobs.

Charles,
I agree....They are nutjobs.
thats not my point.

My point was that he then makes the joke that they must be creationists. My whole discussion in the other thread was that I felt the tenor of the creationist conversation tended to belittle people of faith (not just the ones that wanted to replace school curriculum's).

His joke (and I know it was a joke....and I know he didnt really mean much by it) was kind of what i am referring to. He is essentially saying they must be religious folks who accept the doctrine of creationism because they are also nutjobs.
But its these little jibes that accumulate until we dont even realizing we are insulting good people.
I was just trying to prove my point and remind him of his response. I dont think he is evil.

171 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:42:31pm

re: #152 Gus 802

Here it is:

[Link: en.sevenload.com...]

Glenn Beck so take it for what it's worth.

CONTEXT,,, Steele is basically telling Beck 'we've been screwing up for awhile now, so I don't blame you for not trusting us. We'll have to show you we CAn be trusted'
Steeles honesty and self deprication is refreshing

172 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:43:53pm

"and now feeelll the full power of the darkside of the NIRTH!"

173 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:44:06pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

I know. But that doesn't matter. It can be edited out. Frankly he looks like a fool on the split screen with Glenn Beck. Doesn't matter to me really. I have my own problems in life but if Steele wants to go on the air with Beck, his loss.

174 tommygum  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:44:15pm

Steele will do fine.

IMHO.

175 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:45:05pm

re: #173 Gus 802

I know. But that doesn't matter. It can be edited out. Frankly he looks like a fool on the split screen with Glenn Beck. Doesn't matter to me really. I have my own problems in life but if Steele wants to go on the air with Beck, his loss.

Whats wrong with 'going on the air with Beck"?

176 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:45:16pm

to sleep...must work in early AM here in east coast....will try to follow up in Am

177 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:45:36pm

re: #158 Syrah

That Trillion Dollar Pork-a-thon

You're forgetting the interest payments and the Federal programs that, once implemented, will become permanent spending.

/x3+

178 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:46:08pm

re: #170 danrudy

"I felt the tenor of the creationist conversation tended to belittle people of faith (not just the ones that wanted to replace school curriculum's)." You could not be more incorrect. LGF does not belittle people of faith. You take one or two comments and blow them out of proportion. Quit being so thin skinned.

179 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:46:12pm

I am agnostic on the whole thing. But right now, there is a massive meltdown in trust. Obama just decided that he wasn't going to do a car czar he was going to do some sort of inter-program committee with Summers and Geithner. Great. We just had Porkulus pass last week and 58% of the public according to a Rasmussen survey believes that the lawmakers didn't have the foggiest idea what was in it. We have had massive idiocy on the hill and ex ante junk all over the place like Dodd's rot. Right now, people do not trust that they will even have a shadow if the sun shines. In that kind of business environment, you do not climb out of a recession. Mr. Obama can restore some of the trust in himself by releasing his college stuff and the stuff about his trip to Pakistan. If all is as he says, then it will begin to restore trust. That is a starting point. Its not all we need, but its a start. Until people can trust that they will have a job, they will not buy. Until they feel that they have a reliable base of government policy they will not hire. If they will not hire, folks will not have a job. If they do not have a job, they will not buy. If they will not buy, then companies will not hire. It chases its own tail. You need trust here. These guys are just absolutely contradicting themselves every 10 seconds. I am an investor. I will not invest into that sort of environment when I can't figure out what the macro economics of the situation are going to be tomorrow. Lets get back to basics. As long as there continues to be doubt here, it will not advance Mr. Obama's cause or America's cause. Lets get it out in the open and move on and bury this if it has no merit.

180 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:46:55pm

re: #175 sattv4u2

I don't think Glenn Beck runs a credible program. It's entertaining and frankly rather funny after having a beer or two but overall it comes across as a "morning show" of sorts with a lot of special effects and sound effects.

181 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:47:36pm

re: #160 Thanos

AQ's head hunting the PPP and ANP, Zardari's not going to survive if he doesn't get them first. I keep saying that but... don't think anyone in Pakistan is listening.

Just so. The problem is that a "Mr. 10%" like him will tend to be risk averse: Many crooked pols get caught by being too greedy (as witness Blago), so those that have made theft a long-standing practice tend to be cautious. They also tend to want to flee rather than fight. To stand and boldly fight to take a principled stand and that is something foreign to a crook like Zardari. Their chief instinct is to pay off someone they can't easily squash. They also often have a hard time with the idea that the opposition might value things other than wealth and luxury. I live Cook County, I know Zardari's type.

182 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:48:00pm

re: #157 Charles

Stacy Campfield is a creationist, opposed to the separation of church and state.

Those four state representatives may not represent my district here in East Nashville, but I'll sure give them what for in a letter later today...it's embarrassing.

/what a bunch of shit-for-brains

183 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:48:31pm

re: #177 Killian Bundy

You're forgetting the interest payments and the Federal programs that, once implemented, will become permanent spending.

/x3+

I wonder how many wheelbarrows of cash it will take to buy of loaf of bread in 8 years.

I think I recall reading that they used to wall-paper their houses with Marks too.

184 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:48:51pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

CONTEXT,,, Steele is basically telling Beck 'we've been screwing up for awhile now, so I don't blame you for not trusting us. We'll have to show you we CAn be trusted'
Steeles honesty and self deprication is refreshing

Eggzackly. I am getting really tired of chicken littles freaking out and am glad someone asked for a little context when someone else quoted one phrase from the interview. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

185 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:49:04pm

re: #172 Thanos

"and now feeelll the full power of the darkside of the NIRTH!"

Featuring George Soros as Emperor Palpatine, with The One as his Apprentice, Darth Bama.

186 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:49:41pm

re: #152 Gus 802 Well I listened twice to that and with all due respect, that statement you made unfairly categorized Michael Steele's position.
And they were not four Republican Congressmen, they were four state representatives in the state of Tennessee.

187 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:49:57pm

re: #175 sattv4u2

Whats wrong with 'going on the air with Beck"?

Have you watched him lately? On his latest program he had some guy, who figured that a '70s style leather jacket was good enough for the TV, predicting that the U.S. was going to collapse in 2009.

/he's turned into Howard Beale, Coast to Coast AM material

188 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:50:00pm

re: #180 Gus 802

Neither Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity nor Rush Limbaugh are college graduates. And Glenn Becks reformed alcoholic schtick wears thin. I went back to listening about UFO's and chupacabra's on coast to coast.

189 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:50:16pm

re: #180 Gus 802

I don't think Glenn Beck runs a credible program. It's entertaining and frankly rather funny after having a beer or two but overall it comes across as a "morning show" of sorts with a lot of special effects and sound effects.

And he wastes a lot of time with over-the-top emoting. If I want emoting, I'll watch an old silent movie.

190 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:50:35pm

re: #180 Gus 802

I don't think Glenn Beck runs a credible program. It's entertaining and frankly rather funny after having a beer or two but overall it comes across as a "morning show" of sorts with a lot of special effects and sound effects.

ummm,,, it's TELEVISION. it's a VISUAL medium

191 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:51:04pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

Featuring George Soros as Emperor Palpatine, with The One as his Apprentice, Darth Bama.

Image: obama%20vader%20tarkin.PNG

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:51:09pm
Four Tennessee state representatives, all Republicans, have signed up to be plaintiffs in a lawsuit against President Barack Obama, aimed at forcing him to prove he is a United States citizen by coughing up his birth certificate.

:sigh:

A troofer lawyer sets the trap, and the idiot contingent of the GOP takes the bait. What a waste.

193 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:51:10pm

re: #178 MrPaulRevere

"I felt the tenor of the creationist conversation tended to belittle people of faith (not just the ones that wanted to replace school curriculum's)." You could not be more incorrect. LGF does not belittle people of faith. You take one or two comments and blow them out of proportion. Quit being so thin skinned.

I know that LGf doesnt belittle people of faith. I have been a devoted reader for years (years!).
This was a continuation of a discussion we had on another thread and was a comment directed at the poster (as you can read in the original post #124.
I am not cherry picking quotes but I am pointing out that original poster was contradicting themselves IMHO

Now...I really really have to get to sleep

194 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:51:33pm

re: #188 MrPaulRevere

Neither Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity nor Rush Limbaugh are college graduates. And Glenn Becks reformed alcoholic schtick wears thin. I went back to listening about UFO's and chupacabra's on coast to coast.

So what? I know plenty of fools and whack-jobs with advanced degrees.

195 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:51:33pm

re: #127 Gus 802

Got to give equal time for Democrat headlines:
Kerry says to Syria, Bring All Offers, Our Housing Market's in the Tank
Burris to Congress: I Had My Fingers Crossed, Nyah, Nyah...
Obama: The Vice President's a Freakin' Joke.... Don't Believe A Thing He Says!

196 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:51:41pm

re: #170 danrudy

Charles,
I agree....They are nutjobs.
thats not my point.

My point was that he then makes the joke that they must be creationists. My whole discussion in the other thread was that I felt the tenor of the creationist conversation tended to belittle people of faith (not just the ones that wanted to replace school curriculum's).

His joke (and I know it was a joke....and I know he didnt really mean much by it) was kind of what i am referring to. He is essentially saying they must be religious folks who accept the doctrine of creationism because they are also nutjobs.
But its these little jibes that accumulate until we dont even realizing we are insulting good people.
I was just trying to prove my point and remind him of his response. I dont think he is evil.

But in fact at least one of the four IS a creationist:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

197 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:52:00pm

re: #136 Charles

The problem is two fold. I will accept that there is no Berg smuggle the baby over the border. But, you have somebody who could become a Kenyan citizen at 18 if he affirmed his citizenship to them through whatever actions or who could become an Indonesian citizen at age 18 if he affirmed his citizenship to them through whatever actions. The release of his college apps (forget his grades, I really don't give a crap) will show the citizenship of the country he claimed as his choice. No more, no less. A disclosure of his travels to Pakistan will show that he either used an American passport or an Indonesian passport. If the college apps say citizen of the US and the passport used was American, then fine. It will kill and bury this thing. Until he does that, he will have this dogging him. It is in his best interest to kill it.

198 Killer Tomato  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:52:16pm

re: #188 MrPaulRevere

Neither Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity nor Rush Limbaugh are college graduates.

Point being...?

199 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:53:02pm

Okay. Now I believe that the economic sky is falling.

Las Vegas conventions and gambling down.

Gaming revenue fell for the 12th month in a row in December and last year's overall drop is historic.

Some locals who depend on conventions to survive say they can't afford the war of words going on between President Obama and Mayor Oscar Goodman.

Last week, both Wells Fargo and Goldman Sachs canceled corporate junkets scheduled to take place here in Las Vegas...Gaming revenues fell every month last year and they were down nearly 19% in December which is a drop of 9.7% for all of 2008.

Geez. Next you'll be telling me that the brothels have to offer 'early bird' specials.

Or that the showgirls can only afford to uncover one boob.

200 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:53:35pm

re: #186 realwest

Fine, nothing's wrong. OK, it was four state Reps. from Tennessee. Technical error on my part. But the stupidity stands.

I didn't unfairly categorize what Steele said, I am telling you how the public will see this once it is edited. That's the only thing I'm saying.

201 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:53:44pm

re: #156 razorbacker
I didn't badmouth Tennessean's. I in fact said "Thanos, this is not about Tennessee! It's about four folks, state representatives all, who decided to join a lawsuit that was already over or start a new one of their own so they could be bitch slapped down by the Courts. Period." That was my comment at #115, to which Mandy said "Bullshit".
Take it up with Mandy. She's too wordy for me.

202 TheMatrix31  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:53:56pm

Wow....

I just found out that Cal-State Northridge has school tomorrow.

They have Cesar Chavez Day off but not Presidents' Day?! RIDICULOUS.

203 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:53:59pm

re: #188 MrPaulRevere

re: #198 Killer Tomato

Point being...?

Neither Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity nor Rush Limbaugh are college graduates.

They all also eat Hot Dogs ,, and you KNOW what they put in those things!

/// geeezz Louise !

204 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:54:04pm

re: #187 Killian Bundy

Have you watched him lately? On his latest program he had some guy, who figured that a '70s style leather jacket was good enough for the TV, predicting that the U.S. was going to collapse in 2009.

/he's turned into Howard Beale, Coast to Coast AM material

I've got it! Beck/Olbermann bookends!

205 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:54:07pm

re: #196 Salamantis

But in fact at least one of the four IS a creationist:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Funny....but misses the point.

You guys wont let me go to sleep.....I am giving myself 5 more minutes...LOL

206 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:54:51pm

re: #200 Gus 802

Fine, nothing's wrong. OK, it was four state Reps. from Tennessee. Technical error on my part. But the stupidity stands.

I didn't unfairly categorize what Steele said, I am telling you how the public will see this once it is edited. That's the only thing I'm saying.

Tennessee just got unlucky this time; they could just as easily have hailed from Kentucky or West Virginia...;~)

/white smoke

207 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:54:56pm

I wondered through the bookstore this evening.

Barns & Noble bookstores had for sale a "little blue book" that consisted of the Lincoln's Gettysburg Address and Obama's inauguration Speech.

The adulation for that man is getting scary. They have made him like unto a god.

208 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:55:03pm

re: #195 tradewind

Good one. I was going to talk about the unemployment benefits earlier and how you can now quit and collect but got sidetracked.

209 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:55:09pm

Eric Swafford also introduced a bill to outlaw dildos in Tennessee. Yes, really.

[Link: www.edinburghsucks.com...]

210 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:55:15pm

re: #197 Shr_Nfr

The problem is two fold. I will accept that there is no Berg smuggle the baby over the border. But, you have somebody who could become a Kenyan citizen at 18 if he affirmed his citizenship to them through whatever actions or who could become an Indonesian citizen at age 18 if he affirmed his citizenship to them through whatever actions. The release of his college apps (forget his grades, I really don't give a crap) will show the citizenship of the country he claimed as his choice. No more, no less. A disclosure of his travels to Pakistan will show that he either used an American passport or an Indonesian passport. If the college apps say citizen of the US and the passport used was American, then fine. It will kill and bury this thing. Until he does that, he will have this dogging him. It is in his best interest to kill it.

No, it is in his best interest to continue it, because it's making the right look loony.

211 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:55:33pm

re: #206 Salamantis

/Orange smoke!

212 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:55:37pm

re: #209 Charles

Eric Swafford also introduced a bil to outlaw dildos in Tennessee. Yes, really.

[Link: www.edinburghsucks.com...]


Who was going to have to enforce that?

213 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:55:40pm

re: #179 Shr_Nfr

Mr. Obama can restore some of the trust in himself by releasing his college stuff and the stuff about his trip to Pakistan. If all is as he says, then it will begin to restore trust. That is a starting point. Its not all we need, but its a start. Until people can trust that they will have a job, they will not buy. Until they feel that they have a reliable base of government policy they will not hire. If they will not hire, folks will not have a job. If they do not have a job, they will not buy. If they will not buy, then companies will not hire. It chases its own tail.

None, and I mean none of the issues with Obama and in particular the economy, have anything to do with his failure to disclose yadda or prove yadda. People aren't reacting to the economy because he hasn't disclosed who paid for his college, his grades, his trip to Pakistan, or any other weasely bullshit. Obama has picked, is picking a cabinet. His Treasury Sec - the guy who was indispensible to the process and was supposed to release a detailed plan for the banks - failed in this and the market tanked. That's trust that has to be regained. Obama has picked 4 cabinet nominees or senior advisors that have pulled out / forced to step down because of tax / corruption / major policy issues - that's trust that has to be regained. For a supposedly new way of doing things including bi-partisanship, we have a trillion dollar spending bill rammed through with 3 out of 219 republicans supporting it, we have his COS going to oversee the next census, and all of these things have their own levels of trust concerns with the American people.

That's why the people are concerned - not because of this other bullshit! The economy is in trouble and they don't know or think that Obama's plan, modified by Reid and Pelosi, will solve the mess. Hell, most American's don't even know the real reasons behind this mess. They are not thinking about nirth certificates or school transcripts.

214 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:56:18pm

re: #205 danrudy

Funny....but misses the point.

You guys wont let me go to sleep.....I am giving myself 5 more minutes...LOL

Funny, perhaps...but also true. I wonder what research on the other three would find...

215 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:56:20pm

re: #209 Charles

Eric Swafford also introduced a bil to outlaw dildos in Tennessee. Yes, really.

[Link: www.edinburghsucks.com...]

Hmm. I knew I was getting a bad vibe about that guy.

216 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:56:22pm

re: #202 TheMatrix31

They have Cesar Chavez Day off....


Shut up! A public , tax-payer-funded school?

217 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:56:25pm

Call 911

Image: IC_Biden_Obama_Test.jpg

218 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:56:40pm

re: #197 Shr_Nfr

It is in his best interest to kill it.

No, it's not. It's in his best interest to let these kinds of fools keep ranting away and filing lawsuits, while he ignores the whole thing. They end up looking like idiots, which they are, and it never even touches Obama.

219 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:56:48pm

re: #212 EmmmieG

Who was going to have to enforce that?

I've met a few dildos in my time I would like to ban !

220 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:56:57pm

re: #194 esch

But of course that goes without saying. I soured on Limbaugh when he devoted a whole show to saying how much he hated school and was glad he skipped college. What the hell kind of message is that to send?

221 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:57:03pm

re: #212 EmmmieG

Who was going to have to enforce that?

Lt. Buz Latex will get that assignment.

222 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:57:21pm

re: #201 realwest

*note to self. Do not tease realwest. It's unseemly, unkind, and way too easy.

Pick on lawyers, instead. Why, everybody hates lawyers.*

223 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:57:35pm

re: #199 razorbacker

Okay. Now I believe that the economic sky is falling.

Las Vegas conventions and gambling down.

Geez. Next you'll be telling me that the brothels have to offer 'early bird' specials.

Or that the showgirls can only afford to uncover one boob.

Beyond the companies mentioned in that story, we've had companies that haven't and won't be taking federal money, just because of 0bama's moronic criticism of sending your best people here as a reward.

Do you realize what the cancellation of hundreds of thousands of rooms does to an economy like that of Las Vegas, Mr. 0bama?

224 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:57:39pm

re: #209 Charles

Eric Swafford also introduced a bil to outlaw dildos in Tennessee. Yes, really.

[Link: www.edinburghsucks.com...]

I give up. I better keep my mouth shut as it were. Where do we get these people?

225 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:57:50pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

I've met a few dildos in my time I would like to ban !

Ding....

226 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:57:59pm

re: #209 Charles

So he's declaring himself illegal?

227 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:58:05pm

re: #209 Charles

Eric Swafford also introduced a bil to outlaw dildos in Tennessee. Yes, really.

[Link: www.edinburghsucks.com...]

c'mon charles...those things are absolutely dangerous. I cant tell you how many I have seen embedded in colons and rectums in my practice. They are driving up the cost of health care in this country.

228 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:58:06pm

Clinton discounts North Korea uranium threat

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, beginning a trip to Asia on Sunday, expressed doubts about the threat posed by North Korea's effort to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons, saying it should not have been used as a pretext to scrap a 1994 deal to freeze Pyongyang's plutonium program

The accord, negotiated by the Clinton administration, was effectively killed after the Bush administration said in 2002 that it had intelligence of a North Korean program for highly enriched uranium.

At the time, Washington accused Pyongyang of nullifying the Agreed Framework by cheating with the uranium effort, while the North said the U.S. was to blame for the deal's collapse.

Mrs. Clinton said there was never enough evidence to conclude that the secret program posed sufficient threat to justify abandoning a deal that prevented the North from building plutonium-based weapons.

/gee, how long has she been Secretary of State, is this what we have to look forward to?

229 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:58:08pm

re: #209 Charles

Eric Swafford also introduced a bil to outlaw dildos in Tennessee. Yes, really.

[Link: www.edinburghsucks.com...]

Good GOD man - that is sick!

Wait - is this Bizarro World? Have I crossed over to Bizarro World?

230 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:58:16pm

'Night all.

231 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:58:27pm

Just a preview:

[Link: www.tncrimlaw.com...]

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:58:33pm

re: #197 Shr_Nfr

The problem is two fold. I will accept that there is no Berg smuggle the baby over the border. But, you have somebody who could become a Kenyan citizen at 18 if he affirmed his citizenship to them through whatever actions or who could become an Indonesian citizen at age 18 if he affirmed his citizenship to them through whatever actions. The release of his college apps (forget his grades, I really don't give a crap) will show the citizenship of the country he claimed as his choice. No more, no less. A disclosure of his travels to Pakistan will show that he either used an American passport or an Indonesian passport. If the college apps say citizen of the US and the passport used was American, then fine. It will kill and bury this thing. Until he does that, he will have this dogging him. It is in his best interest to kill it.

No, nothing will 'kill and bury' it. There will always be another test, another document. It's ludicrous. He 'might' have secretly become a Kenyan citizen. He 'might' have secretly become an Indonesian citizen. He might have done a whole lot of things, but it's a bad sign for a democracy when people start pawing over any president they don't like, looking for stuff he 'might' have done, to see if they can get him out of office.

233 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:58:50pm

re: #220 MrPaulRevere

But of course that goes without saying. I soured on Limbaugh when he devoted a whole show to saying how much he hated school and was glad he skipped college. What the hell kind of message is that to send?

I agree. My take is that college is a significant help, but not essential if you are able to learn on your own and/or are unable to go. Like myself.

234 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:58:51pm

re: #206 Salamantis

Tennessee just got unlucky this time; they could just as easily have hailed from Kentucky or West Virginia...;~)

/white smoke

I know darned well it couldn't have been Arkansas. You can't find four Republicans in Arkansas state government.

235 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:58:59pm

re: #207 Syrah

I wondered through the bookstore this evening.

Barns & Noble bookstores had for sale a "little blue book" that consisted of the Lincoln's Gettysburg Address and Obama's inauguration Speech.

The adulation for that man is getting scary. They have made him like unto a god.

You're not kidding.

236 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:59:07pm

At this point, even if it were proved beyond all doubt that Obama was born in Kenya, the election would have to stand. The nation could not endure the ruckus that a supreme court order to overturn the election and swear in McCain would provoke.

The court, if it has any sense, won't take the case. They can say it's groundless. It is. But, hypothetically, if the allegations were true, it would be all the more prudent for the court to decline to hear the case. Whatever the facts, they're water under the bridge.

237 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:59:24pm

re: #209 Charles

Eric Swafford also introduced a bil to outlaw dildos in Tennessee. Yes, really.

[Link: www.edinburghsucks.com...]

Would it be unreasonable to ask him to instead use a dildo on himself? I can't believe I'm going to do this but I'm actually going to approvingly quote Bill Maher: "Where did all these busybodies come from, and how do we get rid of them?"

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:59:34pm

re: #199 razorbacker

Okay. Now I believe that the economic sky is falling.

Las Vegas conventions and gambling down.


Geez. Next you'll be telling me that the brothels have to offer 'early bird' specials.

Or that the showgirls can only afford to uncover one boob.

When gas was high, brothels were offering coupons to partially reimburse customers for having to drive out.

239 dapperdave  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 9:59:43pm

re: #209 Charles

Well they are tough to compete with.

240 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:00:05pm

re: #214 Salamantis

Funny, perhaps...but also true. I wonder what research on the other three would find...

Gee...I guess all those those 911 troofers must also be religious folks as well. and dont get me started on those 2nd gunmen in the kennedy assassination folks. They are absolute zealots.

241 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:00:11pm

re: #197 Shr_Nfr

Unless someone has the court documents that prove that Obama, at or after 18, formally renounced his US citizenship and never applied for its reinstatement, then all of what you are claiming is just a crock. It doesn't matter if he travelled under a different passport unless he went to a country that is prohibited to American citizens (like Cuba) and even then - the crime is no worse than the pot he smoked or the coke he snorted in his college days.

When there are plenty of real issues to focus on - don't waste your time thinking so small.

242 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:00:22pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

When gas was high, brothels were offering coupons to partially reimburse customers for having to drive out.

They should offer shuttle services.

243 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:00:46pm

http://www.tncrimlaw.com/law/constit/I.html

244 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:01:30pm

re: #227 danrudy

How does the damage compare with say, your average sized gerbil...
:)

245 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:01:34pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

I've met a few dildos in my time I would like to ban !

Me too, but they were all attached to males.

246 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:01:41pm
247 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:01:47pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

When gas was high, brothels were offering coupons to partially reimburse customers for having to drive out.

Related item: The bill to legalize prostitution in Vegas has been dropped from the current Nevada state legislature's session, but it is not considered dead.

248 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:01:50pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

I've met a few dildos in my time I would like to ban !

/dildos?

249 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:02:09pm

re: #157 Charles

Stacy Campfield is a creationist, opposed to the separation of church and state.

More on Campfield from the dem blogosphere in TN:

(Warning: DO NOT allow your children to read any further here. As Aunt B observes, "... [W]e are about to enter a realm of such cruel jackassery that I almost cannot believe Campfield can walk around and look women in the eye.")

Not only does Campfield want to force women who have abortions to obtain death certificates, he's sponsoring another really weird and creepy law that bars the state from recognizing the fathers of stillborn children of unmarried women. The actual purpose of this latter bill--beyond hateful insult--escapes us. Maybe there is no purpose, except to promote Campfield's idea of family values.


Here's another of this year's Campfield Specials: He'd deny a birth certificate to the child of an illegal immigrant unless the father is a U.S. citizen and makes a written agreement to provide for the child until age 18.

Of course, the suspect constitutionality of any of Campfield's legislation is a matter of no concern to the sponsor. Luckily for us all, he's yet to pass a bill in his entire legislative career, and the House doesn't waste much time talking about his proposals, either. In the past, they've just about all been summarily killed in subcommittees. This year should be not much different, despite a more Republican House. Speaker Kent Williams hates Campfield and his ilk and probably will insist on killing all his bills.

250 TheMatrix31  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:02:14pm

re: #216 tradewind

Shut up! A public , tax-payer-funded school?

Apparently so. Absolutely ridiculous.

251 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:02:34pm

re: #235 gmsc

You're not kidding.

I would suspect that of being a set up shot, where some customer set up the books there and not the store staff. The Obama worship is over the top, but not that blatant yet.

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:02:49pm

re: #242 Catttt

They should offer shuttle services.

That would make sense, wouldn't it? Let one of the girls drive, it would be cute.

I wonder if state or local laws would prevent it.

253 Neutral President  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:02:53pm

re: #153 Max Darkside

Obama can put this to rest. He doesn't and so it lives on. I'm sure there is no reason to doubt the Secretary of State of Hawaii, after all, Obama is clean as a whistle, surrounded with people who are honest as angels and we can accept that even though Hawaii allows foreign born persons to have Birth Certificates, it doesn't apply in this case.

Obama does not have to put this to rest. His Birth Certificate has already been made public by the state of Hawaii. End of story. If anyone thinks its fake, the burden of proof is on THEM, not Obama. This issue has become tiresome. Please go away.

254 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:02:55pm

re: #209 Charles

Eric Swafford also introduced a bil to outlaw dildos in Tennessee. Yes, really.

[Link: www.edinburghsucks.com...]

Coming next. A bill to outlaw possession of anything that looks like one. And finally, the feminist dream come true: ALL men in jail.

/Some things shouldn't be legislated.

255 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:03:06pm

re: #248 Killian Bundy

/dildos?

"Head of State"

LMAO

Gotta mirror that one before it goes away, whooo-boy.

256 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:03:15pm

re: #211 Gus 802

/Orange smoke!

What does orange smoke signify? It's not on the smoke and pyro list redc1c4 provided me with:

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger

257 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:04:05pm

re: #240 danrudy

Gee...I guess all those those 911 troofers must also be religious folks as well. and dont get me started on those 2nd gunmen in the kennedy assassination folks. They are absolute zealots.

You're far more likely to find fundamentalist religious practice to be the case with right-wing conspiracy theorists than left-wing conspiracy theorists (who tend to by cryptosocialists).

But nice try at waters-muddying.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:04:14pm

re: #244 tradewind

How does the damage compare with say, your average sized gerbil...
:)

Gerbils have claws.

Dan Savage thinks the gerbil thing is pure urban legend, and God, for the gerbil's sake, I hope he's right.

259 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:04:15pm

re: #244 tradewind

How does the damage compare with say, your average sized gerbil...
:)

well, gerbils and mice can more easily be removed and drawn out with cheese

260 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:04:37pm

re: #248 Killian Bundy

/dildos?

oh ,,, my ,,, god !

261 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:05:05pm

re: #251 Syrah

I would suspect that of being a set up shot, where some customer set up the books there and not the store staff. The Obama worship is over the top, but not that blatant yet.

That fact that it's gotten to the point where it's difficult to tell is the real problem.

262 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:05:27pm

re: #209 Charles

Irrational fear? Phobia?

re: #227 danrudy

C'mon! You've gotta be kidding me. Tell me you lost your sarc tags on the bus or something.

263 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:05:36pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

I thought it would signify friendly. Like orange panels. Maybe they don't use that anymore or was it used in WWII?

264 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:06:00pm

re: #248 Killian Bundy

/dildos?

Heavens! That's worse than those ugly Obama cookies.

265 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:06:13pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

What does orange smoke signify? It's not on the smoke and pyro list redc1c4 provided me with:

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger

The Tennessee Volunteers football team.

266 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:06:15pm

re: #249 Thanos

Not only does Campfield want to force women who have abortions to obtain death certificates, he's sponsoring another really weird and creepy law that bars the state from recognizing the fathers of stillborn children of unmarried women. The actual purpose of this latter bill--beyond hateful insult--escapes us. Maybe there is no purpose, except to promote Campfield's idea of family values.

Here's another of this year's Campfield Specials: He'd deny a birth certificate to the child of an illegal immigrant unless the father is a U.S. citizen and makes a written agreement to provide for the child until age 18.

Wow.

267 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:06:22pm

re: #262 Slumbering Behemoth

Irrational fear? Phobia?

re: #227 danrudy

C'mon! You've gotta be kidding me. Tell me you lost your sarc tags on the bus or something.

The dog ate them...

////////

268 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:06:22pm

re: #262 Slumbering Behemoth

Irrational fear? Phobia?

re: #227 danrudy

C'mon! You've gotta be kidding me. Tell me you lost your sarc tags on the bus or something.


well ,, you COULD poke an eye out with one of those things!

269 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:06:49pm

re: #233 esch

I never graduated either, much to my regret, but I do pretty well. And I do admire people who have achieved their dreams, its not jealousy. I do cringe however when I hear those 3 talk about politics and/or history, they make a lot of unforced errors if you will.

270 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:06:51pm

Just coming back from stepping outside. Nope, no full moon tonight. With all the stuff going on this weekend I thought I would double check.

271 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:06:59pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

That would make sense, wouldn't it? Let one of the girls drive, it would be cute.

I wonder if state or local laws would prevent it.

That may be, since prostitution is illegal in the city limits. They ought to amend the law, if so. It would be the patriotic thing to do. :D

272 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:07:02pm

re: #254 lostlakehiker

I'm trying to keep up with this thread. From Nirth certificate to dildo's. I don't think I will ever catch up.

273 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:07:37pm

There's kind of a flap in NVL, apparently a Sherrif went and talked to CofCC, and then figured out they were racist, or that's what he says. Maybe he read Ann Coulter and figured they were ok....
Here's a post of an interview with one of the leaders.

P.J. Tobia talks to the leader of the controversial group that has made a bit of news in Nashville recently:

Baum then gives the example of his home county of St. Charles, Missouri. He says that the population of his county and the neighboring St. Louis County are about the same. The difference is that his county has hardly any blacks (the county is “ninety-seven percent white and the rest are Hispanic or Orientals”) and zero murders per year compared with a nearly all black St. Louis with a “murder every other day.”

“What’s the difference between St. Louis and St. Charles County?” Baum asks. “It’s the race.”

“Ok,” I reply. “But maybe isn’t another difference that one county is rich and the other poor? Couldn’t that be a reason for the crime?”

“I’m not a sociologist,” he says. “…We don’t have a solution. We don’t have a final solution to this problem.”

Thank God for that.

274 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:07:59pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #259 danrudy

OMG. It was a South Park joke....who knew,,,,,,
I really hope there's no such animal.

275 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:08:06pm

re: #261 gmsc

That fact that it's gotten to the point where it's difficult to tell is the real problem.

I wonder how long the prank was left up. It may have been so believable that no customer complained or made a comment about it.

276 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:08:19pm

Man, there has to be two red-faced captians somewhere.

Brit and French nuke boats collide

BRITISH and French nuclear submarines which collided deep under the Atlantic could have sunk or released deadly radioactivity, it emerged last night.

The Royal Navy’s HMS Vanguard and the French Navy’s Le Triomphant are both nuclear powered and were carrying nuke missiles.

Shouldn't someone be organizing a 'no-nukes' protest somewhere?

277 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:08:25pm

re: #249 Thanos

Not only does Campfield want to force women who have abortions to obtain death certificates, he's sponsoring another really weird and creepy law that bars the state from recognizing the fathers of stillborn children of unmarried women. The actual purpose of this latter bill--beyond hateful insult--escapes us. Maybe there is no purpose, except to promote Campfield's idea of family values.

So that the unmarried woman can't come back after the "father" for medical bills if there are later complications?
Just a guess

278 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:08:36pm

re: #268 sattv4u2

well ,, you COULD poke an eye out with one of those things!

Nah, that's just the Red Ryder range model sarcasm tags...:)

279 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:08:59pm

re: #268 sattv4u2

well ,, you COULD poke an eye out with one of those things!

I could poke an eye out with my thing. Let's outlaw penises.
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280 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:09:39pm

Well damn, the Obama foreign policy is becoming crystal clear.

/is there anyone's ass we won't lick?

281 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:09:44pm

re: #249 Thanos

My head is going to explode any second.

282 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:09:45pm

re: #279 Slumbering Behemoth

I could poke an eye out with my thing. Let's outlaw penises.
///

You have eithre a real long penis ,,,, or a real low face!

283 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:09:56pm

re: #246 Iron Fist
Hi Fist - so do you think these four state representatives were simply playing to their voters?
I mean, I just can't understand why they would join in a lawsuit that, as Charles link states

Here's the deal: A California man plans to file a lawsuit challenging whether Obama was constitutionally eligible to be president. This issue has already had its day in court. The U.S. Supreme Court (you know, the one with a majority of conservative judges?) rejected the case. Which should kill it dead.

The Supreme Court of the United States has already ruled on this, so I don't understand why these four would join in a lawsuit other than to "play to their base".

284 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:10:17pm

re: #277 sattv4u2

Not only does Campfield want to force women who have abortions to obtain death certificates, he's sponsoring another really weird and creepy law that bars the state from recognizing the fathers of stillborn children of unmarried women. The actual purpose of this latter bill--beyond hateful insult--escapes us. Maybe there is no purpose, except to promote Campfield's idea of family values.

So that the unmarried woman can't come back after the "father" for medical bills if there are later complications?
Just a guess

Or perhaps so the men don't have to suffer the social stigma that the women do in such places.

285 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:10:31pm

re: #276 razorbacker

Man, there has to be two red-faced captians somewhere.

Brit and French nuke boats collide

Shouldn't someone be organizing a 'no-nukes' protest somewhere?

How about a "driver's ed for nukes" protest?

286 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:11:08pm

re: #257 Salamantis

You're far more likely to find fundamentalist religious practice to be the case with right-wing conspiracy theorists than left-wing conspiracy theorists (who tend to by cryptosocialists).

But nice try at waters-muddying.

Wow...Thats pretty insightful....Conspiracy theories against the left tend to come from the right and those against the right tend to come from the left. You just say it more pretty- like.

But...back to those muddied waters and then to sleep. You seem to have forgotten the fact that our original poster joked that since these people are nutty they must be religious folks. Ergo...religious people must be nutty. You don't think that might be a little insulting and demeaning to some people....?

will read reply in AM

287 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:11:22pm
288 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:11:42pm

re: #263 Gus 802

I thought it would signify friendly. Like orange panels. Maybe they don't use that anymore or was it used in WWII?

I can work with that. Add to list:

Orange Smoke: Friendlies in area: No saturation bombardments, precision fire only.

289 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:12:17pm

re: #268 sattv4u2

well ,, you COULD poke an eye out with one of those things!

There is a good, scientific, evolutionally sound reason that all pubic hair is curly.

So's you don't get your eyes poked out.

290 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:12:35pm

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

Thanks! Whew.

Found a MK-124 which they use for rescue. Odd, I guess the mix the signal colors around.

291 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:13:13pm

Well I've got to get some sleeps, the covering for populist hate mongers is getting too whacky to keep up with now....

See you all tomorrow.

292 danrudy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:14:51pm

re: #274 tradewind

re: #259 danrudy

OMG. It was a South Park joke....who knew,,,,,,
I really hope there's no such animal.

I know.....I saw the Paris Hilton episode....my response was a joke right back at you....what are Sarc tags? I cant respond to that one....but I hope they knew my healthcare note was a joke as well

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:14:52pm

re: #274 tradewind

re: #259 danrudy

OMG. It was a South Park joke....who knew,,,,,,
I really hope there's no such animal.

Gerbils? No, gerbils are real. Illegal in California, though.

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294 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:14:54pm

re: #273 Thanos

There's kind of a flap in NVL, apparently a Sherrif went and talked to CofCC, and then figured out they were racist, or that's what he says. Maybe he read Ann Coulter and figured they were ok....
Here's a post of an interview with one of the leaders.

I posted about that on the first Coulter thread...Daron Hall (Davidson County sheriff) did that a couple of weeks ago and reaped a shitstorm for it, as he should have.

295 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:14:55pm

re: #286 danrudy

Wow...Thats pretty insightful....Conspiracy theories against the left tend to come from the right and those against the right tend to come from the left. You just say it more pretty- like.

But...back to those muddied waters and then to sleep. You seem to have forgotten the fact that our original poster joked that since these people are nutty they must be religious folks. Ergo...religious people must be nutty. You don't think that might be a little insulting and demeaning to some people....?

will read reply in AM

To paraphrase John Stuart Mill: while it is true that most religious fundamentalists are not right wing nuts, it is also true that most right wing nuts are religious fundamentalists.

296 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:15:27pm

re: #249 Thanos
Um, do y'all think that Stacy Campfield has ever even heard of the U.S. Constitution or the United States Supreme Court?

297 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:15:52pm
298 Racer X  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:16:13pm

re: #276 razorbacker

Man, there has to be two red-faced captians somewhere.

Brit and French nuke boats collide

Shouldn't someone be organizing a 'no-nukes' protest somewhere?


No one uses their turn signals anymore.

Sheesh.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:16:21pm

re: #282 sattv4u2

You have eithre a real long penis ,,,, or a real low face!

I was going to say 'sharp'.

300 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:16:32pm

re: #284 Salamantis

Or perhaps so the men don't have to suffer the social stigma that the women do in such places.

Social stigma?

How 20th century of you.

301 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:16:52pm
302 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:17:19pm

re: #282 sattv4u2

I said could, not did. I am no where near that flexible. Yet.
/

303 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:17:24pm

Hey, Stacey Campfield is a dude.

304 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:17:34pm

re: #292 danrudy
A 'sarc tag' is a disclaimer that lizards will sometimes add after a post they mean as satire that may be misunderstood. Often looks like this: /sarc alert/

re: #284 Salamantis

Bet it has something to do with insurance or plaintiff in a damage suit.
We have shysters on television here hawking the benefits of suing in case a baby wasn't born perfect... the Cochran Firm is one of the biggest advertisers...
and the demographic here has a disproportionate number of babies with problems, due to the age of the mother and lack of prenatal care.
NB I did not say availability of prenatal care. There is plenty of care available, but it must be accessed.

305 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:18:17pm

re: #303 Gus 802

Hey, Stacey Campfield is a dude tool.

fixed.

306 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:18:19pm

make me a martyr please!

307 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:18:29pm

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308 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:19:11pm
309 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:19:19pm

Mr, newton, If I understood a previous post correctly, your theater is charging 20.00 per ticket for a live stage play, while here in San Jose, Ca., a movie ticket is 9.00. Stage plays here are almost prohibitively expensive. IF there was theater here that I could attend for 20.00, f**k movies.

310 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:19:27pm

re: #296 realwest

He's a populist idiot trying to parlay "family values" into puritanism. Time for me to get some sleeps.

311 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:19:40pm

re: #295 Salamantis

To paraphrase John Stuart Mill: while it is true that most religious fundamentalists are not right wing nuts, it is also true that most right wing nuts are religious fundamentalists.

If only more people would concede that point, I beleive "normal' fundies would concede the latter point

312 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:20:20pm

Charles, you need the "I eated it" pic up, they're here......

313 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:20:55pm

re: #304 tradewind

Bet it has something to do with insurance or plaintiff in a damage suit.
Thats my supposition in my #277

314 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:21:25pm

At least those nuke boat drivers could claim that the other one swerved into him. What's this guy's story going to be?

Cruiser on the rocks.

February 15, 2009: The USS Port Royal, an American cruiser, ran aground on February 5th, as it returned to its base in Hawaii after the first day of sea trials.

315 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:23:19pm

I know that Obama was born in Hawaii. I know because of the way the State works. But it is about time he produces his Birth Certificate, not the Certificate of Live Birth, but the real thing. This as gone on too long. And Obama is the cause. McCain was forced to present his to the House. It is is time for Obama to do the same. Frankly is unaccountability is becoming extremely disturbing.

316 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:23:24pm

re: #312 Thanos

I agree, you know the one: The aquatic mammal that said, Nirth certificate, I eated it". I am still chuckling inwardly.

317 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:23:27pm

re: #310 Thanos
Thanks Thanos, that's what I thought based on Iron Fist's post about what a "hot button" issue this was in Tennessee.
Sleep Well.

318 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:23:35pm

re: #308 retief_99

Have you not been reading about this topic here at all over the past few months?

The fact is, President Obama was born to an American mother in an American state (Hawaii) and his birth certificate was verified by the state of Hawaii as genuine and truthful.

CASE CLOSED...

319 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:23:47pm
320 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:24:09pm

re: #209 Charles

Eric Swafford also introduced a bill to outlaw dildos in Tennessee. Yes, really.

[Link: www.edinburghsucks.com...]

Gee, I wonder if that bill could be interpreted to outlaw nirthers and creationists?

321 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:24:35pm

re: #314 razorbacker

At least those nuke boat drivers could claim that the other one swerved into him. What's this guy's story going to be?

Cruiser on the rocks.

/forced retirement

322 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:24:43pm

re: #308 retief_99

I wish you had posted that opus about 18 hours ago when I was lucid. Sentence by sentence I would have had a feild day picking it apart. Now alas, I must go lay my sleepy head down!

I'll let the 4 downdings you got at this late time with scant few Lizards about speak for itself

323 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:25:02pm

re: #319 ajjcad

Rudeness will win you no friends.

324 esch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:25:26pm

Seeya!

325 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:25:29pm

Registered for four years, and it gets nuked on it's first and only post. Must have been a real stinker of a post.

326 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:25:46pm

re: #319 ajjcad

Hey Aj, what point?

327 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:25:49pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

Sorry, that's not what I inferred from your post. I am thinking not that women would be going after the men for payment, or vice versa, but rather that a man might attempt to attach himself to an award from a third party or a benefit from another agency.

328 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:26:14pm

My nation is descending in to madness.

329 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:26:19pm

re: #318 talon_262

Damn, Charles...had I realized you were gonna give retief the stick, I wouldn't have quoted him in my rebuttal.

My bad...

330 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:26:26pm

I'll tell you what - Southern women bloggers are having a field day making fun of Stacey Campfield.

Examples:

Tiny Cat Pants: I Almost Wish My Vagina Were as Mysterious and Powerful as Campfield Thinks It Is

Women's Health News: A Round-Up of Stacey Campfield’s Vagina-Fearing Legislation

331 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:26:28pm

re: #311 sattv4u2

If only more people would concede that point, I beleive "normal' fundies would concede the latter point

It is kinda hard to argue that folks who dance while handling rattlesnakes and drink strychnine from Mason jars are bright stable sane sophisticates...;~)

332 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:26:34pm

re: #170 danrudy

I'm not a "he". Please check your sexist assumption in at the door.

333 Neutral President  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:27:11pm

re: #308 retief_99

See #253

The burden of proof is on those making the accusation. Obama does not need to prove anything... YOU DO. You nirthers have been judged and found wanting by the Supreme Court. Because of the serious Constitutional crisis it could represent, if there was anything at all to this issue, even the slightest quark-sized possibility that Obama was not a natural-born US citizen based on known evidence, the SCOTUS would not have laughed it out of court.

334 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:27:17pm
335 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:27:35pm

re: #327 tradewind

Sorry, that's not what I inferred from your post. I am thinking not that women would be going after the men for payment, or vice versa, but rather that a man might attempt to attach himself to an award from a third party or a benefit from another agency.

fair enough

336 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:27:53pm

re: #334 nigella

You wouldn't be posting if you were...

337 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:27:58pm

re: #319 ajjcad

oh no you dih-uhnt.....

338 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:28:26pm

re: #331 Salamantis

It is kinda hard to argue that folks who dance while handling rattlesnakes and drink strychnine from Mason jars are bright stable sane sophisticates...;~)

and you think a great majority of fundies practice those rituals?

339 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:29:07pm

re: #323 Syrah
Hi Syrah! I'll say - comment reported,comment deleted, user is blocked!

340 Neutral President  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:29:15pm

re: #333 ArchangelMichael

Oh well... that nirther was gone faster than a fart in a windstorm. Nevermind.

341 x-wing  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:29:33pm

re: #322 sattv4u2

I wish you had posted that opus about 18 hours ago when I was lucid. Sentence by sentence I would have had a feild day picking it apart. Now alas, I must go lay my sleepy head down!

I'll let the 4 downdings you got at this late time with scant few Lizards about speak for itself

The stick got him sattv4u2.

342 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:29:35pm

re: #338 sattv4u2

and you think a great majority of fundies practice those rituals?

No, I know that they don't, but I'm also reasonably certain the no NONfundies prectice them...

343 tradewind  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:29:38pm

re: #330 Catttt

Southern women bloggers


Those sound suspiciously like Southern dildo-wearing-women bloggers.
On Bikes.

344 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:29:48pm

re: #314 razorbacker

At least those nuke boat drivers could claim that the other one swerved into him. What's this guy's story going to be?

Cruiser on the rocks.

By the way, there's more to the story.

/the Port Royal is was part of our Ballistic Missile Defense system

345 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:29:59pm

re: #227 danrudy

c'mon charles...those things are absolutely dangerous. I cant tell you how many I have seen embedded in colons and rectums in my practice. They are driving up the cost of health care in this country.

Are you fucking kidding me?! Dildos are riving up the cost of healthcare?!

346 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:30:54pm

re: #332 Sharmuta

I'm not a "he". Please check your sexist assumption in at the door.

Although, a man who would choose a Smurfette avatar is an interesting concept.
;)

347 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:31:03pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

Are you fucking kidding me?! Dildos are riving up the cost of healthcare?!

Next, he'll be calling for bans on bottles...;~)

348 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:31:36pm

re: #347 Salamantis

And cell phones...

/

349 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:31:47pm

re: #347 Salamantis

Next, he'll be calling for bans on bottles...;~)

/no yam is safe

350 x-wing  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:32:19pm

re: #334 nigella

I guess I've been banned.


You're still posting.

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:32:20pm

re: #331 Salamantis

It is kinda hard to argue that folks who dance while handling rattlesnakes and drink strychnine from Mason jars are bright stable sane sophisticates...;~)

Strychnine?

352 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:32:23pm

re: #328 rawmuse

My nation is descending in to madness.

Yes. It. Is.

353 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:32:36pm

re: #342 Salamantis

No, I know that they don't, but I'm also reasonably certain the no NONfundies prectice them...

Really? I didn;'t know the ancient Egyptians were fundamental Christians.

354 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:32:56pm

Whatever you do. Don't look into the TN house and Stacey Campfield. Rough politics in TN. Whew.

355 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:33:01pm
356 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:33:23pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

Are you fucking kidding me?! Dildos are riving up the cost of healthcare?!

Shit, Sharm, have you been living in a cave? Next thing you know, you'll tell me that shaking hands with Jewish folk won't make my pee pee fall of. Hogwash!
/////

357 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:33:27pm

re: #331 Salamantis

It is kinda hard to argue that folks who dance while handling rattlesnakes and drink strychnine from Mason jars are bright stable sane sophisticates...;~)

But, frankly, snake-handlers never seem to turn up bothering other people with legislation. It's always more boring types who do that. Maybe if these guys became snake-handlers, they'd be less nosy about dildos and such.

358 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:33:58pm

re: #339 realwest

Hi Syrah! I'll say - comment reported,comment deleted, user is blocked!

I suspect that there are a lot of sleeper sock puppets int the system.

359 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:34:05pm

re: #353 sattv4u2

Really? I didn;'t know the ancient Egyptians were fundamental Christians.

Cleopatra wasn't counting on surviving; in fact, quite the opposite.

360 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:34:11pm

You'll pry my dildo out of my cold, dead, damn hand, you bastards!

361 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:34:11pm

re: #334 nigella
It doesn't appear that you were banned although I reckon your comment was deleted as it doesn't turn up in a search of your posts on this thread.

362 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:34:31pm

Another double meltdown. These trolls really need to cool it: The sheer numbers caught threaten to overwhelm even the lizard army's appetite for Gamey Buttocks. :)

363 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:34:33pm

re: #343 tradewind

Those sound suspiciously like Southern dildo-wearing-women bloggers.
On Bikes.

Don't be ridic. How could a woman nicknamed Aunt B be such? :D

364 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:34:52pm

re: #355 nigella

O.K. I was deleted. So much for freedom of expression. I thought I could come here without fear that my beliefs would be allowed to be heard, Never too controversial, but sometimes passionate. I guess my disagreement with Charles made my remarks unacceptable. Pity.

No, I'm simply tired of people whining about what I post here. If you start your own blog, then you can post whatever you want, and I can come over there and tell you what you shouldn't post about.

365 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:35:02pm

re: #342 Salamantis

No, I know that they don't, but I'm also reasonably certain the no NONfundies prectice them...

I once, in the twilight, picked up a cottonmouth that looked like a piece of firewood.

But it didn't take me long to get finished looking at it.

366 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:35:14pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

You'll pry my dildo out of my cold, dead, damn hand, you bastards!

In San Francisco, we have thriving specialty shops.

367 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:35:31pm

re: #359 Salamantis

Cleopatra wasn't counting on surviving; in fact, quite the opposite.

But it was done there for religious purposes, as well as in India, SouthEast Asia and the Middle East, NON of which at the time were fundie christian

368 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:35:36pm

re: #346 gmsc

Although, a man who would choose a Smurfette avatar is an interesting concept.
;)

And I realize not everyone knows Arabic slang, but the nick also would be an odd choice......

369 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:35:38pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

Which way to go...which way to go...

If I wasn't so damn tired and loopy I'd have something by now.

370 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:35:46pm

re: #355 nigella

Well, if you want to get banned, that last bit of snarkyness may do it for you.

371 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:35:59pm

re: #366 rawmuse

I've been to one of those in the Mission District.

Not that I bought anything. Was like a museum visit.

372 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:36:21pm

re: #355 nigella

Cry me a fucking river, because this is Charles' blog and if Stinky thinks you've crossed the line, your offending comment (at the very least) gets whacked, no ifs, ands, or butts.

Don't like that? Tough cookies, honco...

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:36:28pm

re: #355 nigella

O.K. I was deleted. So much for freedom of expression. I thought I could come here without fear that my beliefs would be allowed to be heard, Never too controversial, but sometimes passionate. I guess my disagreement with Charles made my remarks unacceptable. Pity.

Uh, I don't want to be mean, but you're sort of carrying on this monologue about being banned, and so far nothing has happened.

374 x-wing  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:36:37pm

re: #355 nigella

O.K. I was deleted. So much for freedom of expression. I thought I could come here without fear that my beliefs would be allowed to be heard, Never too controversial, but sometimes passionate. I guess my disagreement with Charles made my remarks unacceptable. Pity.

Do you have a point? Posts get deleted sometimes. If you don't like the thread topic don't comment.
It works for me.

375 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:36:44pm

re: #369 Slumbering Behemoth

If I hadn't gone out to get a drink, I doubt I would have posted that other than the fact it's completely ridiculous to blame healthcare costs on dildos.

376 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:36:44pm

re: #371 Gus 802

Good vibrations on Valencia St. ?

377 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:36:45pm

re: #362 Dark_Falcon

I had to bring in a heavy duty freezer just too handle the bounty. It's over there by the Super Secret Fridge™.

378 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:36:56pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

Are you fucking kidding me?! Dildos are riving up the cost of healthcare?!

I thought he was making a joke. You mean he wasn't?

379 nightwatch  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:37:20pm

Man....Woman.....

What the .........................................

380 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:37:28pm

re: #378 capitalist piglet

I doubt it.

381 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:37:59pm

re: #359 Salamantis

Cleopatra wasn't counting on surviving; in fact, quite the opposite.

Very good, Sal. I liked that one, it brought in a nice historical tidbit in a clever way.

382 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:38:27pm

Who's got a match?

Youtube Video
383 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:38:33pm

re: #376 rawmuse

That's the one. Run by a bunch of lesbians no less.

Allegedly.

384 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:38:34pm

re: #366 rawmuse

In San Francisco, we have thriving specialty shops.

I recommend Good Vibrations. They have an online store as well. Very non-icky, and woman friendly.

385 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:38:39pm

re: #365 razorbacker

I once, in the twilight, picked up a cottonmouth that looked like a piece of firewood.

But it didn't take me long to get finished looking at it.

Here's an embarrasing personal anecdote.

When I was about 14, I was walking through this swamp behind my house at dusk, and saw something rustling next to my feet. I reached down, and this snake latched onto my thumb.

I held onto it and, squeezing tightly, ran all the way home with it, figuring I needed the snake for identification purposes for a shot of the proper antivenin.

When I got home, I was mortified to find that I had squeezed a 4 foot eel to death.

386 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:38:59pm

I can't stop laughing. Dildos are driving up the cost of healthcare.

387 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:39:20pm

re: #355 nigella

O.K. I was deleted. So much for freedom of expression. I thought I could come here without fear that my beliefs would be allowed to be heard, Never too controversial, but sometimes passionate. I guess my disagreement with Charles made my remarks unacceptable. Pity.

But - you do know that the whining about the topic of a thread is terribly boooorrrring - and pointless. Stick to the subject - disagree - state your opinion instead. I enjoy your posts and don't want you to get the stick. Smile, darn you. OK - I'm in a good mood - sue me. :D

388 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:39:39pm

re: #358 Syrah
Yeah, I think so too - I nailed one on the dead thread this morning and geez, we picked up a whole new bunch on the Spencer thread.
And I still don't understand that; going to the trouble of catching an open registration and then, comment maybe a few times in several years and then BLAMMO! they strike.
Must not have real lives, ya know?

389 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:39:53pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

Sounds like nigella is angling for martyr cookies...

/

390 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:39:59pm

re: #385 Salamantis

When I got home, I was mortified to find that I had squeezed a 4 foot eel to death.

If you had run into My house with that and my Grandmother was around, it would have been on the dinner table that night

391 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:40:10pm

re: #286 danrudy

Wow...Thats pretty insightful....Conspiracy theories against the left tend to come from the right and those against the right tend to come from the left. You just say it more pretty- like.

But...back to those muddied waters and then to sleep. You seem to have forgotten the fact that our original poster joked that since these people are nutty they must be religious folks. Ergo...religious people must be nutty. You don't think that might be a little insulting and demeaning to some people....?

will read reply in AM

No, actually Sharmuta joked that since these people are so nutty, they must be creationists. And, around here "creationist" is taken to mean, specifically, a Young-Earth Creationist who supports the notion of teaching "Intelligent Design" in school.

There are religious people; there are crazy people, and there are even a few crazy religious people.

392 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:40:13pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Who's got a match?

My ass and your face.

/damn, haven't been set up like that since eighth grade

393 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:41:17pm

re: #392 Killian Bundy

My ass and your face.

/damn, haven't been set up like that since eighth grade

Your breath and a Buffalo fart!

394 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:41:27pm

re: #367 sattv4u2

But it was done there for religious purposes, as well as in India, SouthEast Asia and the Middle East, NON of which at the time were fundie christian

I didn't say fundie Christian; I said fundie. And any religion that demands that sibling royals marry so as to not dilute their God-Blood (they were considered to be divine) isn't exactly my idea of enlightened, even though it seems to have made sense to them at the time.

395 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:41:31pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout A match?

Youtube Video
396 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:41:39pm

re: #384 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they do operate a sort of museum there, with hand crank types and spring winded types, made of wood, ivory, etc.

397 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:42:14pm

re: #386 Sharmuta

I can't stop laughing. Dildos are driving up the cost of healthcare.

Loonies are fun to watch. Until they gain power, that is. Then they try to remake thing to suit their warped mind and things start to suck.

That's it for me tonight. Take care folks, and make sure to save me some the troll meat that just got cooked. I'll eat it for breakfast tomorrow.

398 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:42:26pm

re: #383 Gus 802

That's the one. Run by a bunch of lesbians no less.

Allegedly.

Rilly? At least one of the founders was married to a man at some point...

For some reason, though, I'm reminded of a job I once had where a man I had to give directions to over the phone was trying to find the place I was describing by triangulating from various gay sex clubs. "Is it near Eros?" he'd say, and I, twenty-four, female, and straight, would sigh and say "Sir, I have NO idea. I've never been to Eros." "OK, is it near Hot'n Sweaty?"

399 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:42:49pm

re: #355 nigella

Nigella, I just saw last night a well respected Lizard get deleted.He/she was back but the point was made: post nothing that will compromise the integrity of this site; post nothing that will embarrass this site, and Charles is the ultimate arbiter on what appears on HIS site.

400 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:42:54pm

And now they're bashing away at me in Ace of Spades' comments.

[Link: minx.cc...]

401 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:42:54pm
402 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:43:01pm

re: #375 Sharmuta

If I hadn't gone out to get a drink, I doubt I would have posted that other than the fact it's completely ridiculous to blame healthcare costs on dildos.

Wait, wait! Can I qualify that with the exception of the dildos in Congress?

403 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:43:02pm

re: #392 Killian Bundy


My ass and your face.


Are we going to get a dramatic exit from you tonight too? You might be happier at the stalker blogs. There will be some new one popping up soon if the current list isn't to your taste.

404 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:43:32pm

re: #394 Salamantis

I didn't say fundie Christian; I said fundie. And any religion that demands that sibling royals marry so as to not dilute their God-Blood (they were considered to be divine) isn't exactly my idea of enlightened, even though it seems to have made sense to them at the time.

From your 295
To paraphrase John Stuart Mill: while it is true that most religious fundamentalists are not right wing nuts, it is also true that most right wing nuts are religious fundamentalists.

Sorry ,, I took RELIGIOUS to mean Christian

405 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:43:33pm

re: #400 Charles

I'm sorry.

406 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:43:42pm

re: #388 realwest

Yeah, I think so too - I nailed one on the dead thread this morning and geez, we picked up a whole new bunch on the Spencer thread.
And I still don't understand that; going to the trouble of catching an open registration and then, comment maybe a few times in several years and then BLAMMO! they strike.
Must not have real lives, ya know?

There is a dark side to the anonymity of the net. It allows some people to let their inner dick run wild because there is no perceived threat of embarrassment as there is in face to face life.

407 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:43:45pm

re: #375 Sharmuta

...it's completely ridiculous to blame healthcare costs on dildos.

Is there a way I can link televangelists to rising health care costs. Seriously, they creep me out.
/

408 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:44:00pm

re: #394 Salamantis

I didn't say fundie Christian; I said fundie. And any religion that demands that sibling royals marry so as to not dilute their God-Blood (they were considered to be divine) isn't exactly my idea of enlightened, even though it seems to have made sense to them at the time.

I know the Incas did that.

409 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:44:00pm

re: #398 SanFranciscoZionist

That's funny. I don't remember that many sex clubs in SF. Just that famous one in North Beach which I don't remember the name.

410 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:44:09pm

re: #385 Salamantis

I used to hate it when we seined the oxbow lakes along the Mississippi River.

All those squirmy eels made my skin crawl.

Don't know why, they're no worse than any number of other critters.

411 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:44:22pm

re: #403 Killgore Trout

Are we going to get a dramatic exit from you tonight too? You might be happier at the stalker blogs. There will be some new one popping up soon if the current list isn't to your taste.

/are you going to be a drama queen?

412 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:44:36pm

re: #396 rawmuse

I think they do operate a sort of museum there, with hand crank types and spring winded types, made of wood, ivory, etc.

They've got a collection, yeah, mostly Victorian stuff.

Is GV still on Valencia? There's one on Polk now, and another in Berkeley on San Pablo.

413 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:45:28pm

re: #411 Killian Bundy

Nope, just asking.

414 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:45:45pm

re: #400 Charles

Yeah, and one quote there is way out of context since Bob Barr went ahead and called the CCC a racist group. In fact so did Huckabee.

415 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:45:53pm

re: #380 Sharmuta

I doubt it.

It never occurred to me that was anything but a joke until I saw you guys taking him to task. Oh my. I need to recalibrate my sarcasm-o-meter.

416 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:46:13pm

re: #401 nigella

Charles, I never told you what to post. All I did was give my opinion on several ideas here about Intelligent design, Anne Coulters new book, and the Obama birth certificate thing. I'm not one to believe Obama wasn't an American citizen, I just though that he protests too much about it. If their isn't something weird about it stop paying millions to Lawyers to block any access to it. I'm not an Intelligent design advocate, but I believe God had some hand in our creation , and finally, while I think Ann Coulter is a bit off the mark in some of her writings, I didn't feel she was advocating White Supremacists. I intend to re-read that part of her book. Yes this is your blog,so you have the final say in its' content. Just felt safe enough here to give my two cents worth.

I see the problem here -- you don't really comprehend what you read.

I did not say Ann Coulter was "advocating white Supremacists," I said she is making excuses for them -- and she is. Go ahead. Read what she wrote. I posted it. Then go look at the site she's defending, and try to say it's OK to defend THAT.

And if you continue to advocate birth certificate craziness, you will lose your account.

417 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:46:16pm

re: #402 Sharmuta

Wait, wait! Can I qualify that with the exception of the dildos in Congress?

Maybe a "bailout" is in order. :-D

My grandfather used to run liqueur during prohibition. Imagine the possibilities if this silly ban were to actually pass.

418 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:46:30pm

re: #408 Dark_Falcon

I know the Incas did that.

I'm unsure whther it was the Incas, the Mayans, or the Aztecs, but one of them had stone gods with holes where the hearts should be, and their priests kept those holes filled with beating hearts from a steady supply of sacrifices.

419 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:47:05pm

re: #409 Gus 802

That's funny. I don't remember that many sex clubs in SF. Just that famous one in North Beach which I don't remember the name.

The Condor.

420 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:47:14pm

re: #409 Gus 802

That's funny. I don't remember that many sex clubs in SF. Just that famous one in North Beach which I don't remember the name.

Honestly, dunno--this was about ten years ago. They weren't all clubs, some were bars, nightspots. It was just a truly funny conversation, not least because I was surrounded by lesbian coworkers who were starting to lose it as the conversation went on. And because it was a synagogue office.

421 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:47:22pm

BBIAB ,, gona try to catch 20 winks

422 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:47:23pm

re: #400 Charles

F**k, em.

423 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:47:34pm

re: #386 Sharmuta

I can't stop laughing. Dildos are driving up the cost of healthcare.

I DID NOT KNOW THIS. I am calling my doctor, the hospital, and my insurance company tomorrow and I am so gonna let them have a piece of my mind!

424 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:48:04pm

re: #400 Charles

And now they're bashing away at me in Ace of Spades' comments.

[Link: minx.cc...]

It;s nice to be appreciated, huh !?!?

//

425 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:48:40pm

re: #416 Charles

Nigella can't say they haven't been warned on the nirther nonsense and your response to it now...I hope they get the hint.

426 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:49:07pm

re: #405 Sharmuta

BTW, #360 is running the circuit of my imagination. Would I were to put one in your warm, lively hand, could I see... never mind. I'll stop there.

427 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:49:40pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Nope, just asking.

/that's a pretty bizarre question (which you've asked before)

428 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:49:50pm

Alternate version for the Tom Jones fans...

Youtube Video
429 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:49:59pm

re: #419 rawmuse

With the red neon light of a woman? That's actually shown in a lot of movies. At the time there was this bouncer over there I would always see. Next door was this hot dog joint. Of course down the street was North Beach Pizza. And Vezouvios and Grant Street Bar, and the nightly drunkard fights.

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:50:05pm

re: #418 Salamantis

I'm unsure whther it was the Incas, the Mayans, or the Aztecs, but one of them had stone gods with holes where the hearts should be, and their priests kept those holes filled with beating hearts from a steady supply of sacrifices.

All three groups did human sacrifice, although I have an idea that could be wrong that the Inca did it less commonly. The Aztecs were way into it. Weird, very interesting, culture. I ain't got much love for the conquistadors, but I can imagine that Cortes' head exploded a little when he got a look at Aztec religion in full swing.

431 Rustler  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:51:26pm

re: #251 Syrah The Borders in Question admitt to it. Allthough they claim it was something about the overreaching banners in the kiddy aisles.

432 woodsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:51:59pm

What in blazes is going on here tonight .... I might have to take some of you out to the woodshed for a good thrashin' -- Trolls and Lizards alike! What is all this dirty talk when there are more important things to discuss! Why back in my day we carved our own PEDs (personal enjoyment devices) out of a good piece of Hickory and if you wanted it to "viber-rate" you hollwed'er out and put a baby squirrel in there for a ride!
If you got creative, you got out the wood burning iron and wrote your name or a good "slogan" on it. Maybe a little valentines design. A handy-pack (AKA a six pack of Schlitz) and a good hicory were all you needed for a good time. No dirty talk involved at all. What the devil has happened to this country! We don't need nationalized banks and healthcare -- we need a good dose of personal responsibility and some G.D. get up and GO!
Jiminny Christmas!

433 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:52:55pm

re: #431 Rustler

The Borders in Question admitt to it. Allthough they claim it was something about the overreaching banners in the kiddy aisles.

Wow.

Just when you think there is a limit that they will respect, . . .

434 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:52:55pm
435 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:53:29pm

I came back from my evening hot chocolate to see talk of dildos.

436 Macker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:54:13pm

re: #432 woodsman

Schlitz? EEEEWWWWWW!

437 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:54:19pm

re: #417 Syrah

Maybe a "bailout" is in order. :-D

My grandfather used to run liqueur during prohibition. Imagine the possibilities if this silly ban were to actually pass.

Maybe a dildo runner will get rich and end up being head of the SEC /broker joke.

438 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:54:20pm

The "Chest Beaters" will lose in 2010. And they will lose in 2012.

439 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:54:26pm

For Pete's sake. Is the earth passing through a reality distortion field or something?

440 Macker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:55:09pm

re: #435 Afrocity

I came back from my evening hot chocolate to see talk of dildos.

And I just got up from a five-hour nap (still recovering from back joint inflammation issue), to this talk. WORSE!

/smile

441 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:55:10pm

re: #434 nigella

I guess this is good bye.

/that's what they all say . . . fifteen minutes later

442 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:55:18pm

Now the Celtic Tiger is sick, too?

Fears are growing that Ireland could default on its national debt after the cost to insure against possible losses on loans to the country rose to record highs at the end of last week.

Credit ratings agency Moody's recently followed rival Standard & Poor's in warning it might downgrade Irish debt, amid fears that one of Europe's former success stories is falling into a deepening recession. The cost to hedge against losses on Irish debt tripled last week to a record 355 basis points - meaning that for every £100 of debt, investors have to pay £3.55 to insure against default, according to data firm CMA Datavision. It was about 262 basis points at the end of January.

If they ever wise up about America's debt, it's gonna be 'Katie bar the door'.

Moody's has warned there is a more than 50% chance Ireland will lose its triple A rating within 12 to 18 months.

443 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:55:19pm

re: #435 Afrocity

I came back from my evening hot chocolate to see talk of dildos.

Sounds like the first line of a poem. :D

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:55:22pm

re: #439 Charles

For Pete's sake. Is the earth passing through a reality distortion field or something?

Something's probably in retrograde.

445 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:55:47pm

re: #429 Gus 802

The Condor is the home of the piano that is on a hydraulic lift, that would convey Carol Doda downward upon it, in to the room, and then back up again, at the end of the show. That same lift later killed a manager who was involved in making the beast with two backs with a waitress, hit the UP button while in the throes of passion, and broke his neck in when it made contact with the ceiling. The waitress lived, but was stuck there under the deceased for some time until the morning crew came in and hit the DOWN button.

Carol Doda is still around, I saw her at a gig not too long ago.

446 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:56:38pm

re: #445 rawmuse

The Condor is the home of the piano that is on a hydraulic lift, that would convey Carol Doda downward upon it, in to the room, and then back up again, at the end of the show. That same lift later killed a manager who was involved in making the beast with two backs with a waitress, hit the UP button while in the throes of passion, and broke his neck in when it made contact with the ceiling. The waitress lived, but was stuck there under the deceased for some time until the morning crew came in and hit the DOWN button.

Carol Doda is still around, I saw her at a gig not too long ago.

Lord love her.

This gentleman did not frequent the kind of night spots that ladies performed at.

447 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:57:26pm

re: #437 Catttt

Maybe a dildo runner will get rich and end up being head of the SEC /broker joke.

That guy in the movie The Graduate had it right. Plastics!

448 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:57:36pm

re: #432 woodsman

Baby squirrels are driving up healthcare!

449 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:57:43pm

I used to frequent a blog where we could not talk about the Obama "BC" issue at all. If you mentioned it everyone ignored you.

450 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:57:52pm

re: #434 nigella

Charles, while I understand that this is your blog, I will only say that it has been a pleasure reading and commenting here. I do have a Minor in English so I do have some comprehension.I didn't advocate the birth certificate craziness. I was just curious that Obama seems to balk at releasing anything personal about his past. I admire your passion for what you believe in and it has been a pleasure interacting with all of you.That being said I resent being portrayed as someone Who is a nutter. I guess this is good bye. God bless and keep you all.

I'll try this one more time with you.

Obama DID release a certificate of live birth, directly from the State of Hawaii. And the State of Hawaii made an official statement that they DO have his actual birth certificate on file. And there are records from both major Honolulu newspapers, showing the announcement of Barack Obama's birth.

All of this has been covered and covered and covered, over and over over at this site, and at many other sites.

I've reached my limit with it, long ago. It's your choice whether you want to continue posting here or not, but I'm simply not going to put up with any more craziness about Obama's birth certificate.

451 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:58:19pm

re: #445 rawmuse

I remember that name. Sort of goes with Herb Caen, Coit Tower... and the rest of the SF lore.

That's a rather macabre accident they had.

452 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:58:26pm

re: #439 Charles

For Pete's sake. Is the earth passing through a reality distortion field or something?

Hmmm . . . Steve Jobs' reality distortion field has been experiencing problems lately, so that would explain it.

453 Salamantis  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:58:46pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Something's probably in retrograde.

IQ perhaps?

454 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:59:03pm

re: #434 nigella

Cue the dramatic exit...

Seriously, nigella...take a breath and relax, because it's not worth burning your bridges over.

455 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:59:33pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Something's probably in retrograde.

Mercury?

456 woodsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:59:37pm

re: #439 Charles

For Pete's sake. Is the earth passing through a reality distortion field or something?

Charles ....
It's time for a new thread!

(a "help me Spock moment")

457 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 10:59:55pm

I can see it now. Knowing there are a bunch of lurkers that watch LGF... both the Commies and Nazis...

"See they're talking about San Francisco and dildos."

458 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:00:18pm

OT, I just heard on the radio of the passing of the great jazz drummer, Louie Bellson. Fantastic musician, with whom I have played and recorded. RIP Louie, you beautiful man.

459 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:00:19pm

re: #440 Macker

And I just got up from a five-hour nap (still recovering from back joint inflammation issue), to this talk. WORSE!

/smile

Ouch! I sympathize. I started getting sciatica on my right side a couple of months ago, out of the blue. Wow, does that hurt (it's better now).

460 dapperdave  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:01:06pm

re: #434 nigella

Oh come on, let it go.

461 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:01:53pm

There's a subtext here that I haven't seen anyone mention yet. Coulter's "nuance" here is that progressives are racist so conservatives should be allowed to be racist too. Many of the comments at FreeRepublic and some of the comments here reflect that sentiment. This is the same thing as Geert claiming that the Quran is hate and should be banned like Mien Kampf. Islamist claim Geert is hate speech and should be banned like Mien Kampf. Creationists demand an equal platform with science because they think it would be fair.
Shouldn't conservatives be standing for fairness instead of equal results like the progressives?
I've seen people bitching about the election because the press didn't give them favorable coverage? Why should they? Stand on your own two fucking feet and stop bitching about how unfair things are! Don't try to exploit unfair laws to your advantage, oppose them as unfair.
Seriously, stop bitching and take responsibility for yourself. Don't make excuses or point out the faults of others. Don't mimic their hate as an excuse for your own.

462 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:02:46pm

re: #400 Charles
Actually Charles, there are posters defending you there, too.

463 dapperdave  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:03:27pm

re: #449 Afrocity

Ya, it's just people grasping for straws.

464 woodsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:04:07pm

re: #448 Sharmuta

re: #436 Macker

Baby Squirrels are pets, meat, and a renewable "viber-rator" energy source!

465 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:04:47pm

re: #439 Charles

For Pete's sake. Is the earth passing through a reality distortion field or something?

Aha! I'm telling you - it's Bizarro World.


To each his sufferings: all are men,
Condemned alike to groan,
The tender for another's pain;
The unfeeling for his own.
Yet ah! why should they know their fate?
Since sorrow never comes too late,
And happiness too swiftly flies.
Thought would destroy their paradise.
No more; where ignorance is bliss,
'Tis folly to be wise.

From On a Distant Prospect of Eton College by Thomas Gray

466 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:04:48pm

re: #439 Charles

For Pete's sake. Is the earth passing through a reality distortion field or something?

What you're feeling is premature enlightenment. - Tyler Durden

467 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:04:56pm

re: #406 Syrah
Yes, you are of course correct. But I couldn't lie in wait for a week, much less a couple of years, to spring an attack on anyone for anything.
And frankly that goes twice for the sleepers here at LGF; they had to actually watch for a period of open registration before they could set up so to speak.

468 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:05:32pm

re: #445 rawmuse

The Condor is the home of the piano that is on a hydraulic lift, that would convey Carol Doda downward upon it, in to the room, and then back up again, at the end of the show. That same lift later killed a manager who was involved in making the beast with two backs with a waitress, hit the UP button while in the throes of passion, and broke his neck in when it made contact with the ceiling. The waitress lived, but was stuck there under the deceased for some time until the morning crew came in and hit the DOWN button.

Carol Doda is still around, I saw her at a gig not too long ago.

Please tell me you're making that up.

On the other hand, I played a gig once and our manager/agent (a woman) couldn't find the club owner at the end of the engagement so we could get paid. An employee motioned for her to go downstairs, into the basement. She asked me to go with her, and we found the guy wearing a sweater and no pants (which is a hilarious look) with a woman (not his wife) with nothing on except a shirt pulled up to her shoulders. They were passed out.

These things do happen, I guess. But the hydraulic lift thing...what a way to go.

469 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:05:36pm

Good night my friends.

470 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:05:45pm

re: #461 Killgore Trout

There's a subtext here that I haven't seen anyone mention yet. Coulter's "nuance" here is that progressives are racist so conservatives should be allowed to be racist too. Many of the comments at FreeRepublic and some of the comments here reflect that sentiment. This is the same thing as Geert claiming that the Quran is hate and should be banned like Mien Kampf. Islamist claim Geert is hate speech and should be banned like Mien Kampf. Creationists demand an equal platform with science because they think it would be fair.
Shouldn't conservatives be standing for fairness instead of equal results like the progressives?
I've seen people bitching about the election because the press didn't give them favorable coverage? Why should they? Stand on your own two fucking feet and stop bitching about how unfair things are! Don't try to exploit unfair laws to your advantage, oppose them as unfair.
Seriously, stop bitching and take responsibility for yourself. Don't make excuses or point out the faults of others. Don't mimic their hate as an excuse for your own.

Right. Coulter even says that Obama's church is MUCH WORSE than the CCC -- and as bad as Rev. Wright and his church are, this claim is beyond ridiculous.

The CCC website is an outright white supremacist site with ties to neo-Nazis. To claim that Trinity United Church is worse than this is a deliberate distortion, and it's an incredibly sleazy argument, that's intended to play to the GOP base's sense of victimhood.

471 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:06:02pm

re: #458 rawmuse

Youtube Video
472 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:06:15pm

re: #461 Killgore Trout

There's a subtext here that I haven't seen anyone mention yet. Coulter's "nuance" here is that progressives are racist so conservatives should be allowed to be racist too. Many of the comments at FreeRepublic and some of the comments here reflect that sentiment. This is the same thing as Geert claiming that the Quran is hate and should be banned like Mien Kampf. Islamist claim Geert is hate speech and should be banned like Mien Kampf. Creationists demand an equal platform with science because they think it would be fair.
Shouldn't conservatives be standing for fairness instead of equal results like the progressives?
I've seen people bitching about the election because the press didn't give them favorable coverage? Why should they? Stand on your own two fucking feet and stop bitching about how unfair things are! Don't try to exploit unfair laws to your advantage, oppose them as unfair.
Seriously, stop bitching and take responsibility for yourself. Don't make excuses or point out the faults of others. Don't mimic their hate as an excuse for your own.

Good post.

473 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:06:23pm

re: #448 Sharmuta

Baby squirrels are driving up healthcare!

It has to be said:

BIG DILDO IS RIPPING US OFF!
/ouch

474 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:06:24pm
475 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:06:28pm

I think Obama deserves the same scrutiny as Bush's drinking. No more , no less. And btw, what is Obama's criminal record?

476 woodsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:06:55pm

re: #436 Macker

Schlitz? EEEEWWWWWW!

Wait one cotton pickin' minute there Mack(er)
Have you ever TRIED a Schlitz (or two or tree)

477 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:07:15pm

re: #474 nigella

Atta boy!

/knew you'd be back

478 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:07:30pm

re: #468 capitalist piglet

True story.

479 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:07:31pm

re: #470 Charles

....that's intended to play to GOP base's sense of victimhood.


Which leads to a sense of entitlement and that somehow things should be fair and equal. Conservatives are becoming remarkably like progressives.

480 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:08:02pm

re: #445 rawmuse

You know I was actually there as a young lad?

481 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:08:26pm

re: #461 Killgore Trout

Well- I've tried to say that but you went a bit further and you're right. It goes against the supposed foundation of the conservative movement to demand equal treatment and equal results. Personal responsibility is also supposedly a principle of the right. But try to hold an "icon" of the "movement" to that and all hell breaks loose. Here I thought it was the left that was a bunch of fucking hypocrites. Hard to say that after some of the shit we've seen tonight.

/Excuse the language- been drinking and I'm pissed.

482 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:08:27pm

re: #339 realwest

RW, thanks for replying at Ace's place, we make a good tag team.

483 Rustler  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:08:41pm

re: #418 Salamantis
Aztecs. It's part of the reason they were able to subjugate so much of the Yucatan penninsula, and also why when cortez stood up to them and proved he could fight them he suddenly had millions of willing rebels helping him by providing guides and cannon fooder to fight them.

484 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:09:35pm

I love the ability to read newspapers from far-distant shores.

Gerald Warner: Obama's pork barrel is open – and it is stinking

STIMULUS is one of those neutral, unexceptional words that is suddenly appropriated by politicians and debauched, so that ever after it will have connotations that are sinister, ironic and sleaze-ridden. Barack Obama's "stimulus" plan will be long remembered as the occasion when political euphemism triggered economic disaster.
There is no terminology available to express adequately the appalling irresponsibility of this naked political banditry. To have squandered a fraction of the near-$1 trillion cost of Obama's pork barrel in days of prosperity would have been more than reprehensible; to do so at a time of financial crisis is unforgivable. Obama likes to pose as the heir of Abraham Lincoln: as this shameless bribery demonstrates, he is heir only to the Chicago Democrat political machine that spawned him.

This Scotsman in one page encapsulates the case against the Stim Bill.

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:09:43pm

re: #479 Killgore Trout

Which leads to a sense of entitlement and that somehow things should be fair and equal. Conservatives are becoming remarkably like progressives.

Extremists are basically like each other.

486 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:10:09pm

re: #479 Killgore Trout

Never once have I ever thought that politics was fair. I was born at night, but it was not last night...

487 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:10:46pm

re: #483 Rustler

Very few people know that. Thousands of volunteers. Quite impressive. Played down by the Spanish who trying for an image and who later enslaved their warriors.

488 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:11:04pm

re: #479 Killgore Trout

Ironically like someone we're talking about once said, "he who gets offended the most first wins." Or at least they think they've won. In this case they get offended when we call them out on their own stupidity or lack of reason they react equally.

It's the same thing as being PC which can work on both side of the aisle. Oh such irony.

489 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:11:04pm

Well y'all it's been.........interesting as usual. But I gotta get some sleep!
Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

490 woodsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:11:46pm

re: #474 nigella

I still want God to bless and keep you all. Even Charles.....

Okay, I'm with you on that ... God Bless Charles .... Maybe there's is hope for you yet!

491 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:11:51pm

re: #209 Charles

Does that extend to not shaking hands? I mean I am told that some males actually use their hands to stimulate their genitals and all... Needless to say, that law (if foolishly passed) will get the heave ho from the court at the first opportunity given the Scotus ruling on condoms in Ct.

492 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:11:54pm

Tomorrow is a holiday for me, I hope it is for all of you.

493 Macker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:12:10pm

re: #456 woodsman

Charles ....
It's time for a new thread!

(a "help me Spock moment")

Here you go:

Youtube Video
494 realwest  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:12:19pm

re: #482 MrPaulRevere
You're welcome - it was my pleasure and yes, we do make a good tag-team!

Now good night, all!

495 Athos  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:12:36pm

re: #441 Killian Bundy

/that's what they all say . . . fifteen minutes later

Bingo! 10:52 and now 11:06....14 minutes.

Re:

All I said was I was curious as to why Obama was fighting the release.

And yet, the facts do not show that he was fighting the release, the info, as Charles stated was released.

You seem to dug yourself into a hole and forgotten the first rule of hole digging....and just dug yourself to the point where your ego and argument have become one in the same. But if you can't see it, our pointing it out will not help either.

496 Syrah  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:13:16pm

re: #467 realwest

Yes, you are of course correct. But I couldn't lie in wait for a week, much less a couple of years, to spring an attack on anyone for anything.
And frankly that goes twice for the sleepers here at LGF; they had to actually watch for a period of open registration before they could set up so to speak.

I agree.

It seems like such a terrible waste of time and energy.

There is so much that is fun and pleasant to do in this world that I don't understand why some people seem to want to spend so much of their life/time playing silly vindictive games.

497 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:13:37pm

re: #445 rawmuse

circa 1971, Carol Doda promoted KICU channel 36 in San Francisco. I knew her boobies were not natural but I was 17 and didn't care.

498 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:13:43pm

New threads for the future might be Apollo 10 and 11.

40th anniversary. We all know what 11 accomplished I hope.

It involves that science stuff too.

499 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:14:00pm

I'm not into victimization. I'm a survivor of the crap life has thrown at me. I understand Life isn't fair. I accept the terms of use. If people on the right are going to start pandering to victims, perhaps they should find more fertile ground, because it won't take seed in my garden.

Life's rough, get a fucking helmet. ~Dennis Leary

500 Rustler  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:14:08pm

Charles are you still linking to Burnt Toast's blog on your front page. In light of the fact that hes crowing about the hits he gets from you while complaining about your topics

I used to frequent LGF for good political analysis and an interesting tidbit or too, but lately it's all Vlaams Belang and Intelligent Design/Evolution arguments to which I say, what the fuck is a Vlaams Belang and who gives a shit about Intelligent Design or evolution. We'll all be worm dirt before anybody figures that shit out.

However, his links thingie has pushed my site count over 300 visits. Ba-damn! Going to the top baby!

maybe time to give him the boot?

501 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:14:09pm

re: #314 razorbacker

Sheeesh, 2 years ago one our nukes ran into a fucking undersea mountain. For no discernible reason whatsoever. At 30 knots.

502 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:14:43pm

re: #479 Killgore Trout

With all due respect, I remind the fellow Lizards that KT sat out the last election. I think thy protesteth too much.

503 woodsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:17:01pm

re: #493 Macker

Here you go:



It is too bad you can't hear screams of laughter over the internet ------
Charles, can you work on an Ajax fix for that?

504 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:17:02pm

I note in passing that Ms. Clinton is leading a delegation to the Far East, whilst Mr. Biden is leading a delegation to the Special Olympics.

'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need.'

505 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:18:11pm

re: #468 capitalist piglet

Please tell me you're making that up.

No - it really happened. I remember it. Show dancer Theresa Hill and bouncer Jimmy Ferrozzo. He was killed. She was trapped until the janitor found them the next day. 1983.

506 woodsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:19:22pm

re: #493 Macker

Just as a PS --- Thanks. I owe you a Shlitz.

507 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:19:31pm

re: #504 razorbacker

I note in passing that Ms. Clinton is leading a delegation to the Far East, whilst Mr. Biden is leading a delegation to the Special Olympics.
'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need.'

Which event is he in?

508 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:19:33pm

re: #504 razorbacker

/Rimshot!

Obama: "Hillary, you go to Japan and China. Joe, I'm giving you the Special Olympics."

Biden: "Oh come on Barry can't I at least go to Pakistan?"

Obama: "No, you cannot go to Pohk-e-stan."

509 x-wing  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:19:49pm

re: #504 razorbacker

And what sport(s) will Mr. Biden be competing in ? ;>}

/

510 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:20:33pm

re: #509 x-wing

beat chya by 18 seconds!

511 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:21:20pm

Chris Mathews is REALLY creepy. Time for his family to walk away.

512 x-wing  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:21:23pm

re: #510 sattv4u2

beat chya by 18 seconds!


/saaaaaaaaaaaattt. ;>}

513 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:21:57pm

re: #500 Rustler

pushed my site count over 300 visits

/and after three weeks, I thought my traffic sucked

514 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:22:05pm

re: #491 Shr_Nfr

I mean I am told that some males actually use their hands to stimulate their genitals and all...

My roommate is a frickin' liar! I was just adjusting my underwear!

Don't judge me. Don't you dare judge me.
///

515 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:22:15pm

re: #490 woodsman

The "Even Charles" thing is an insult. People use prayers as insults these day.
/I don't get it either, don't bother asking me why.

516 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:23:20pm

Aussie Arson named. Kills 21 people. Might get as much as 25 years. wow. See link.

517 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:23:34pm

re: #502 rawmuse

With all due respect, I remind the fellow Lizards that KT sat out the last election. I think thy protesteth too much.

You bet yer ass I sat out. If I had to do it all over again I might have vote Dem. I protesteth as much as I please, thank you very much.

518 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:24:24pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

The "Even Charles" thing is an insult. People use prayers as insults these day.
/I don't get it either, don't bother asking me why.

I picked up on that too. (I'm sure Charkes did also if he's still around0

519 Rustler  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:24:26pm

re: #513 Killian Bundy Yeah funny how he can talk bad about the topics Charles picks yet crow about the hits Charles directs his way. I just wish I knew which blog on Charles Roll was his so I can avoid it or maybe Charles or stinky already caught and dropped the Blog in question.

520 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:24:39pm

re: #517 Killgore Trout

As is your right, but makes your criticisms of the rest of us ring hollow.

521 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:24:44pm

re: #498 Gus 802

July 20, 1969. An evening I will remember for the rest of my life.

522 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:24:52pm

re: #499 Sharmuta

Life's rough, get a fucking helmet. ~Dennis Leary


Nice.

523 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:24:54pm

re: #514 Slumbering Behemoth

My roommate is a frickin' liar! I was just adjusting my underwear!

Don't judge me. Don't you dare judge me.
///

It's my soap. It's my, er, member. I'll wash it as fast as I want to.

524 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:25:22pm

re: #520 rawmuse

As is your right, but makes your criticisms of the rest of us ring hollow.

Good, then fuck off and scroll over.

525 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:25:48pm

re: #522 Killgore Trout

He might be "an asshole", but he's not stupid.

526 x-wing  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:26:34pm

re: #516 pat

Aussie Arson named. Kills 21 people. Might get as much as 25 years. wow. See link.

What link?

527 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:26:38pm

re: #521 BatGuano

"One small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind."

528 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:26:40pm
529 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:26:46pm

[Link: www.aintnowaytogo.com...]


SAN FRANCISCO, CA — A nude, screaming dancer found trapped under a man's crushed body on a trick piano that became pinned against a nightclub ceiling was too drunk to remember how she got there, police said.

Authorities on Thursday said they were awaiting the results of an autopsy on James (Jimmy the Beard) Ferrozzo, 40.

His body was 2 or 3 inches of cushion that kept her from being crushed. His fully-clothed body was found on top of Teresa Hill, 23, a dancer at the Condor Club where Ferrozzo was an assistant manager. Detectives would not speculate on the circumstances of the death.

Ferrozzo probably saved the woman's life with a last-second kick that cut the switch on the motorized piano hoist, said fire Lt. Jim Lyons, whose rescue crew was called to the club. The body provided two or three inches of cushion that kept the woman from being crushed, he said.

The baby grand piano had been used for almost 20 years by entertainer Carol Doda, who made her entrance by reclining across the instrument while it was lowered by cable to the stage of the topless club.

"If I were to speculate on the cause of death, it would be asphyxiation as a result of being crushed," Detective Guinther Whitey said.

Police discovered shards of glass and blood spattered in the club. A little blood was found by the bar, but Detective Guinther Whitey said he couldn't be sure where it came from. "The young lady had a couple of cuts on her hand," he said.

The dancer said she had been dating Ferrozzo since her arrival in San Francisco two weeks ago.

No one is certain what caused the piano to rise toward the 12-foot-high ceiling, but something or someone may have bumped the switch, on the wall near the piano, Detective Marvin Dean said.

"I don't see how this could possibly have happened," said a young woman who identified herself as Desiree, a dancer at the club.

"When you get on the piano, it goes up so slow, they should have noticed it," she said. "They could have jumped off."

Hill was rescued after someone heard her shouts for help.

"She was so intoxicated she doesn't even remember getting on the piano," Whitey said. "She just remembers waking up and being pinned on the piano."

Hill was treated for bruises at a hospital.

Copyright © Associated Press, Nov 25, 1983

530 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:26:48pm

re: #521 BatGuano

July 20, 1969. An evening I will remember for the rest of my life.

I won't remember it. Of course, few people remember what was going on when they were 1.5 years old.

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:26:54pm

Have to sleep. Stupid cold. Body shutting down...

See you all in, I dunno, twenty hours. That's how long I'm sleeping at a stretch this last couple of days.

532 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:27:22pm

re: #525 Sharmuta

Good suggestion: Dennis Leary - asshole

Youtube Video

Good drinking song.

533 woodsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:27:24pm

re: #458 rawmuse

OT, I just heard on the radio of the passing of the great jazz drummer, Louie Bellson. Fantastic musician, with whom I have played and recorded. RIP Louie, you beautiful man.

Thanks for sharing the albeit bad news - He was the real deal "in the day"

534 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:27:57pm

re: #532 Killgore Trout

Embedding no worky. :(

535 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:27:58pm

re: #519 Rustler

yet crow about the hits Charles directs his way

/at 300 total hits, he's not getting much love anyway you slice it

536 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:28:00pm

re: #526 x-wing

Above, where we store links. lol

537 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:28:44pm

re: #521 BatGuano

July 20, 1969. An evening I will remember for the rest of my life.

That's one small step - yes, I am old enough to remember that. :D

538 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:28:50pm

re: #530 gmsc

You young, smart ass, you!

539 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:29:44pm

Linking "Asshole" the old way.

540 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:30:08pm

re: #527 Gus 802

Yeah, heard that. Didn't make sense, but Armstrong said it.

541 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:30:10pm

Preview is your friend when trying to embed.

542 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:30:43pm

re: #505 Catttt

No - it really happened. I remember it. Show dancer Theresa Hill and bouncer Jimmy Ferrozzo. He was killed. She was trapped until the janitor found them the next day. 1983.

Oh, I believed rawmuse...but what a story! I see you found the news item, too - I'm off to go check that one out. Thank you.

543 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:30:47pm

re: #532 Killgore Trout

Damn I hate the "embedding disabled" thing.

544 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:31:43pm

re: #543 Killgore Trout

Gotta utilize preview.

545 Rustler  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:31:52pm

re: #535 Killian Bundy Nope not the way you or I look at it but in his own eyes it's significant. I wonder If maybe he's younger but then he'd expect 10000 hits a day like their facebook/myspace pages get.

546 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:32:05pm

re: #539 Sharmuta

Slow in the fast lane? Sometimes I hit 95.

547 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:32:17pm

re: #534 Sharmuta

Yeah, I can't find a version that allows embedding. Bummer. Must do direct link....
Asshole
Maybe I should link my nic to it.

548 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:32:49pm

But! I do read books about war.

549 Catttt  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:33:07pm

Ok, my friends. I need to hit the hay. Naturally, my cats are already fast asleep (after two fights tonight, they wore themselves out) on MY SIDE of the bed. Sigh.

Tomorrow is a holiday!Woot!

550 x-wing  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:33:54pm

re: #530 gmsc

I won't remember it. Of course, few people remember what was going on when they were 1.5 years old.

I was 3.5 years old. I'm pretty sure mom still made me wear the plastic "big boy" pants when I went outside.

/just in case ;>}

551 razorbacker  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:34:14pm

Like they say in the south of Estonia, "Head ööd, y'all."

552 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:34:41pm

re: #547 Killgore Trout

I nver liked that song.

553 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:35:38pm

re: #529 Catttt

I am so mailing that around.

554 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:36:00pm

re: #529 Catttt

[Link: www.aintnowaytogo.com...]

And people ask me why I left California and the San Francisco Bay Area?

It's largely because stories like this in the local papers never rate better than the 13th page - in section B! Why? Because they're not unusual enough!

555 Gus  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:36:04pm

Yeah, Dennis Leary wants to sings songs about "assholes" and then prop up an image of General Patton as though he was an asshole. Maybe he was an asshole but he was a damn good general and he helped us win the war against Fascist Europe.

556 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:36:47pm

re: #555 Gus 802

You have to understand- Dennis is proud to be an asshole, so it's a compliment.

557 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:37:16pm

re: #537 Catttt

Like me , you are privileged. Cherish that memory.

558 pat  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:37:31pm

I live to run into guys like that.

559 woodsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:37:46pm

re: #539 Sharmuta

Uhhh, what's your point?

560 gmsc  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:38:02pm

re: #553 capitalist piglet

I am so mailing that around.

You and everyone else on this thread!

She woke up drunk, naked, and pinned to the ceiling. And then it got weird!

561 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:39:18pm

re: #559 woodsman

I had quoted Dennis Leary perviously. That led Killgore and I to recall the song from the same comedy routine. That's all.

562 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:41:47pm

nigella- why are you dinging everybody down?

563 Rustler  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:41:50pm

New thread goodness now.

564 woodsman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:47:14pm

re: #561 Sharmuta

O k a y . . . the night has b e e e n w e i e r d a n y w a y . . . . .
The Real A**hole Song

565 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:48:00pm
566 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:48:24pm

re: #565 nigella

Grow up.

567 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:49:43pm
568 Rustler  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:51:38pm

re: #565 nigella You were dinged down for harping on something which had been settled because you refused to do your own research not because of your "opinion". But you are entitled to beieve what ever you like in your own little world.

569 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:54:24pm
570 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:56:48pm

re: #567 nigella

You're a child, and you're telling me to grow a pair? Pretty ironic.

571 gman  Sun, Feb 15, 2009 11:59:41pm

re: #565 nigella

Sharmuta, because I was dinged down for giving my opinion. What goes around comes around.

You got dinged down for whining about being deleted when you should have known you would.

572 Rustler  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:06:38am

re: #569 nigella
His Certificate was released. The fact that he didn't do it during the election was likely because all the rantings of Conservatives on it distracted tehm from the big picture at hand which was he is nothing but an empty suit. The man may be maliciously destroying america but he isn't a total idiot. So he let the crazies in our party try to tie the Nirth Cert bs to him so that Republicans could be pointed at as being Loons.

573 Rustler  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:08:21am

re: #569 nigella
Hell there is even a rule stating Posts calling hte topic boring or suggesting Charles should write about something else or not about X will be deleted. Your complaint was unjustified and rightly down dinged.

574 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:09:59am

re: #572 Rustler

He did do it during the election, and it still wasn't good enough!

575 abolitionist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:34am

re: #180 Gus 802

I don't think Glenn Beck runs a credible program. It's entertaining and frankly rather funny after having a beer or two but overall it comes across as a "morning show" of sorts with a lot of special effects and sound effects.

I disagree with that characterization. Did you see this?
Glen Beck Extremist agenda exposed #1

576 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:21:03am

re: #567 nigella

Nigella, you're virtually screaming, "Charles, please ban me...ban me, ban me, ban me! I want to go out in a blaze of glory like a martyr!" with your behavior in this thread. Like I said earlier, just chill out and be rational about all this...perhaps all will become clearer to you later in the day.

/Histrionics never really solved anything...

577 davemanus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:11am

Personally, I'm for the kitchen sink approach against Obama. It worked with Preisident Bush, driving good man's numbers into the ground and damaging his policies. Every stone thrown against Obama that strikes its target weakens him and diminishes him. The Democrats proved this to be true, just as the Republicans did against Clinton: dont' believe me? Ask President Gore or President Hillary. We are in all out war. You don't have to embrace far-fetched smears, but reporting them and pushing them is absolutely important. Hit hte bastards where they live. Demean them, insult them magnify gaffes and mistakes.

Obama walks in window intstead of door. Obama bumps his head on Air Force One. Obama botched stimulus big. Obama may not even be a US citizen. Obama has sympathizes for Muslim extrememists. It's fair game and we should pound it to the hilt, until the narrative becomes that this guy is incompetent an useless and a failed president. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Then we crush him in 2012.

578 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:01:07am

re: #577 davemanus

Except he is a citizen! You're asking people to blow their credibility on something that's been proven. That's not throwing everything including the kitchen sink at 0bama- that's blowing one's integrity, one's credibility. Then when you do have the goods on him, no one believes you because you've already blown whatever credibility you had on a false flag. Integrity matters.

Seriously- you're advocating for us to be as bad as the left. I, and others, are not interested in behaving like right-wing versions of moonbats. They're laughable. Is that what you would see us willingly do to ourselves?

579 Rustler  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:02:59am

re: #577 davemanus No it's not all fair game. It's like that old adage never argue with an idiot because you can't win unless you sink to his level. He has more experience there and will trump you every time. If we want to claim to be the party of principles we cannot embrace the left's way of politicing. We can call him out all we want to on issues that are true but pushing shit like his birth place and he is a closet muslim do nothing to help the conservative cause. Because in using these blatently false arguements we weaken those arguements which are the truth. This is also the problem with Ann Coulter and Robert Spencer. Both of these people say some very good and intelligent things however recent revelations about their associations cast a taint on everything they have said and are doing more to hurt the cause than help.

580 Confuzed  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:05:17am

Doesn't the burden of proof reverse itself when dealing with the IRS?
That is, the IRS doesn't have to prove anything, the person getting audited does.

581 Confuzed  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:35:14am

Doesn't the burden of proof reverse itself when dealing with the IRS?
 That is, the IRS doesn't have to prove anything, the person getting audited has to prove EVERYTHING.

582 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:34:22am
583 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:09:06am

re: #22 gmsc

LMAO, Thanks! That was a great start to an almost guaranteed shitty Monday.

584 Canoe Train  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:13:12am

re: #4 jorline

I agree. These people are wasting time and making the rest of the Right Wing look bad. Dumber than a sack full of hammers, or, as we used to say, as stupid as a brick.

585 Smorgasbord  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:20:22am

What is the IQ of a box of rocks? That way I will have a standard to judge someone else's IQ by.

586 Yashmak  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:22:16am

re: #579 Rustler

If we want to claim to be the party of principles we cannot embrace the left's way of politicing. We can call him out all we want to on issues that are true but pushing shit like his birth place and he is a closet muslim do nothing to help the conservative cause.

Complete agreement. Continuing to push rumors that are already proven false is a ridiculous waste of time. If these folks represent you, write them a letter, asking them to quit wasting their time on this nonsense, and get some real work done.

587 Yashmak  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:24:33am

re: #569 nigella

O.K. Rustler, who said I haven't done research? Did you read the Coulter book? I did. I have followed the Obama birth certificate thing,and no, I don't believe he isn't an American citizen. I just wonder why he chooses to not release anything about his past. If that makes me weird, so be it.

What on earth could possibly prove to you that he is? I mean, his birth certificate has been verified and re-verified by the state of his birth. Whoever led you to believe otherwise is outright lying to you.

588 kansas  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:34:21am

re: #585 Smorgasbord

What is the IQ of a box of rocks? That way I will have a standard to judge someone else's IQ by.

See also "Harry Reid."

589 dragonladyalso  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:49:52am

re: #28 NJDhockeyfan

Hi lizards. Looks like I missed a couple interesting threads.

BTW....some breaking news...

British and French Nuclear Subs Crash in Atlantic

The Atlantic is so huge and subs, even nukes are so small, the mind boggles at the odds of two of them, from two different countries, running into each other. Question: Why were they both in that particular spot? What is there?

590 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:14:23am

Am I the only one getting a 404 error on the OP link?

591 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:19:00am

re: #590 Naso Tang

Am I the only one getting a 404 error on the OP link?

They changed the URL -- it's fixed now.

592 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:19:32am

re: #590 Naso Tang

I see it too.

593 martinsmithy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:59:26am

I appreciate Charles lifting the rocks off of some things on the conservative side of the political spectrum that need to be exposed to the light of day. Nirth certifikits, creationists, Ann Coulter - they all bring disrepute to conservative politics - and we will need to rid ourselves of this stuff before conservatives can reassume the mantle of power. Because if this nonsense continues, even a failed Obama Presidency has a good chance of being returned to power in 2012.

594 BingoBunny  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:07:43am

I'm pretty sure B ho is an American citizen.. btw I met him back in 2000 when he was traveling around with a couple of buddies on a listening tour of America.. to get a feel for his political future I guess.. we talked about his Harvard education, I mentioned I had a half scholarship there that I couldn't afford to use ..because the other half was more money then I could borrow.. he told me he went to "Harvard as an Indonesian exchange student".. now what the hell does that mean.. that he was a Indonesian citizen?..maybe.. or maybe he was just gaming the system to get a free education.. either way he's low on my scale.

/sure look into him.. he's hiding stuff that he knows makes him look bad

595 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:21:06am
596 Yashmak  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:31:51am

re: #595 mifouf

Your satire (while appreciated) is ill-placed. If the question is his US citizenship, it has been proven. His state of birth has verified his birth certificate. What more is there? Why does he need to meet some standard of proof that none of the rest of us are required to meet?

Wouldn't you think it fairly exasperating if you were Obama, and your home state had verified your birth certificate, to find that there were still folks wanting some sort of ill-defined additional proof?

597 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:36:50am

re #595:

They're exactly like 9/11 Truthers. Impervious to logic or evidence. Relentless.

I'm going to delete comments raving about the nirth certifikit, as I've said many times. Continue posting this reeking garbage and I'll also block your account.

598 wiffersnapper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:43:31am

puts finger to mouth *pbpbpbpbpbpbpb*

599 Wilderstad  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:59:20am

Bottom line: Barack Hussein Obama is not trusted, and daily he's proving to be untrustworthy.

To that distrust include the unusually fast progression from student, to lawyer, to community organiser, to president. The man hasn't had a real job in his life.
Add to that mix dirty political and other very troubling personal associations. Factor in non- disclosure of certain documents. He is hiding something.

It's no wonder people wonder if he is or isn't a U.S citizen.

600 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:01:21am

re: #345 Sharmuta

Are you fucking kidding me?! Dildos are riving up the cost of healthcare?!

Yes...I am fucking kidding you.

601 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:03:09am

re: #378 capitalist piglet

I thought he was making a joke. You mean he wasn't?

Of course it was a joke....are you people for real?

602 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:04:13am

re: #386 Sharmuta

I can't stop laughing. Dildos are driving up the cost of healthcare.


I am glad you are laughing....it was meant to be humerous.
It is astonishing to me that you can make such assumptions about peoples motivations that you cant even see a joke when you see one...

603 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:08:51am

re: #415 capitalist piglet

It never occurred to me that was anything but a joke until I saw you guys taking him to task. Oh my. I need to recalibrate my sarcasm-o-meter.


It was a joke...
I am astonished that anyone would take that any other way.
However, it does prove my point about the assumptions that are made. Those folks assume I am a religious zealot creationist (I am not) and thus a comment which I think is a pretty funny joke has to take on some religious zealot overtones as if I am campaigning to take away Sharmuta's best friend

604 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:12:05am
605 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:13:29am

re: #347 Salamantis

Next, he'll be calling for bans on bottles...;~)

Hey geniuses....go back and read the thread...it was a joke...
OMG...you people cant even tell when........oh forget it!

606 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:15:12am

re: #332 Sharmuta

I'm not a "he". Please check your sexist assumption in at the door.


I apologize for the assumption....Just as you should might want to consider in your original assumptions about a) your joke and b) my joke

607 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #606 danrudy

So- you can make jokes, but I can't?

608 LANMaster  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:43:39am

Here's my take on this .....

The law for National office elections needs to be changed to compel the applicant for legal campaign to verify complete eligability under the law to run for the office.

I thought that was a law to begin with, but evidently it is not.

At this point, the American people have spoken, and whether or not Obama shows proof of eligibility, the election is over. Period ... Get over it. A successful chalklenge of this issue would only result in harm to the country.

I didn't want Obama. (Didn't want McCain either) but I would have chosen RINO McCain over Obama in a heartbeat.

But it's over. The fat lady has sung, the lights are out, the campaign is over.

Further demands of cumpulsion for Obama to show a (real" birth certificate will most likely result in problems for the country, and problems for the Conservative movement, WHICHEVER WAY THE TRUTH GOES.

Let it do. Let this one die, finally.

The right (like me) realize that we need to win the hearts and minds of the American people before we DESERVE to hold national leadership positions again.

I am proud of the Republicans who voited against the stealfromus bill in the House andf Senate. And I curse the 3 RINOs who crossed the party lines to approve of this HIGHLY PARTISAN crap-sandwich.

The nirthers need to get a life and win back the power with honorable arguments, not this BC rubbish.

LAN

609 arf  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:48:53am

Sorry if this is a dumb question, it's probably been answered somewhere, but I can't find it.

Isn't a birth certifcate a public document? Like a death certificate?

Inquire State of Hawaii vital statistics or something along those lines?

Though I suppose if someone is claiming he renounced his citizenship and he really didn't, how do you prove a negative like that?

610 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:56:28am

re: #609 arf

A certified copy of the 0bama BC was released, and the State of Hawaii verified they have the original document. In order to get a copy of a BC, one must show they have standing to do so. You can't just walk into a Vital Statistics office and get the BCs of anyone. You must have standing, like being a family member or legal representative.

611 LANMaster  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:04:29am

re: #610 Sharmuta

A certified copy of the 0bama BC was released, and the State of Hawaii verified they have the original document. In order to get a copy of a BC, one must show they have standing to do so. You can't just walk into a Vital Statistics office and get the BCs of anyone. You must have standing, like being a family member or legal representative.


Are you referring to the cert of live birth that was released by the Daily KOS?

612 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:05:44am

re: #611 LANMaster

I'm referring to the BC I viewed at Fact Check.

613 LANMaster  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:11:04am

re: #612 Sharmuta

I'm referring to the BC I viewed at Fact Check.

Cool! Thanks for that.
I just found it too at fact check, and it is not the same junk that was issued by the dirt bags at DailyKOS.
So I do appreciate the info.

That's good enough for me.

614 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #607 Sharmuta

So- you can make jokes, but I can't?

Of course you can make jokes.
But your joke was at the expense of a specific group of people. It was contributing to this tone of attacking religious folks which is what i originally was objecting to. Now ordinarily I wouldn't care and would probably find it funny.
However, you (specifically) claimed it was bullshit and didnt happen and I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy. Doesn't make you a bad person but it did support my premise that the creationist attacks tend to spill over and envelope more people then intended.

You said it didnt occur and I was pointing out that even you are doing while not being aware it occurs.

And for the record...I have an xray collection that includes, dildo's lightbulbs, bottles and other "lost" paraphanelia...

I believe these items also effect our economy by driving up electricity and recycling costs.

615 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:33:01am

re: #614 danrudy

Puhleeeeze! You sound like islamists who whine they're being attacked because of a cartoon about their prophet.

And frankly- it's a little offensive be told I'm attacking people of faith simply by mentioning these people might be creationists when there are real Christians, Jews and others being persecuted with violence throughout the world. You demean their persecution so you can justify your sense of victimhood. Get a grip.

616 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:39:13am

At least two of the politicians mentioned above ARE creationists, by the way.

And I'd be willing to bet the others are too, but I haven't found any statements from them about it.

617 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:07:09pm

re: #615 Sharmuta

Puhleeeeze! You sound like islamists who whine they're being attacked because of a cartoon about their prophet.

And frankly- it's a little offensive be told I'm attacking people of faith simply by mentioning these people might be creationists when there are real Christians, Jews and others being persecuted with violence throughout the world. You demean their persecution so you can justify your sense of victimhood. Get a grip.

I have no sense of vicitmhood. I am not among the groups being referenced.

Now note, when you took offence at my assumption of your gender and I immediately apologized. But, you can't even allow that you might have made an assumption about the beliefs of those people (whether or not it was a correct assumption) without any proof and might have been guilty of an incorrect assumption. In fact, rather the simply apologize for making that assumption and moving on you find the need to investigate and prove that you were correct .

Nevertheless...you said it didnt occur and you were doing it. You are so high and mighty with your nose up your ___ that you arent even aware that you can possible be guilty of these kind of assumptions. Must be the SanFransican in you.

618 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:12:22pm
619 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:14:44pm

re: #616 Charles

At least two of the politicians mentioned above ARE creationists, by the way.

And I'd be willing to bet the others are too, but I haven't found any statements from them about it.


Charles...
Whether it turns out to be a good bet or not it was an assumption without proof. I am certainly not without a sense of humor and have always read the site because of its great humor.
This is about pointig out that SHE was guilty of doing something she said she wasnt. Again, it doesnt make her a bad person but it does show that getting caught up in the zeal of a thing can make us lose our objectivness.
Heck, my little joke in response to your Dildo posting was assumed to be a serious comment becasue of assumptions about when when it was so clearly a joke.

620 Yashmak  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:17:35pm

re: #604 mifouf

Way to go, Yashmak. Greet and encourage hundreds of posts that mock the Tennessee Reps and the large numbers of citizens who have legitimate reasons to wonder what is the citizenship status of The One, and delete a post that mocks the false assertions that all is known that we peons need to know. Good show.

You really are a pro at misplaced sarcasm, aren't you?

I'm neither the administrator for, nor a moderator of, the comments on this site. I don't have the ability to modify OR delete comments. Add to that, the fact that I did make any request that your post get deleted, and it all adds up to. . . .you're barking up the wrong tree buddy.

621 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:20:19pm

mifouf:

I'm going to assume you missed my comment, directed at you:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

But this is the last warning you're going to get. I will not tolerate this stuff at my site. If you want to discredit yourself and believe in crazy conspiracies, that's your choice, but it's not going to happen here.

Post this stuff one more time and your account is history.

622 tilli  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:28:42pm

I could care less about BHO's birth cert. What I DO care about is full disclosure of eligibility from EVERY candidate. Nothing more nothing less.

If there is a question, it needs to be answered. BHO IS president and will remain so until 2013 or 2017. People need to deal with that.

623 Yashmak  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:31:04pm

re: #618 mifouf

1. Pull up the actual statement by the Dept of Health in Hawaii regarding the Obama birth certificate. Read it. They state that they do have a legitimate birth certificate. Do you happen to see anywhere that they say where it was that that certificate says he was born? Neither do I. Does it concern you at all that Hawaii used to release the same publicly available form for children born outside Hawaii, such as happened with Obama’s sister who was born in Indonesia? Just asking.

Yes, in fact I DO happen to see where it was that he was born, because it's on his birth certificate. The birth certificate says he was born on the island of Oahu, city of Honolulu, which you'd know if you'd looked into both sides of the issue, instead of just feeding off of conspiracy theory and Obama hate sites. The original has been photographed from many angles, and you can see it at FactCheck.org (as a couple people have already mentioned here).

Why don't you read up on it (although I doubt ANYTHING will salve your suspicions):
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

2. Just for fun, pull up the 1968 registration record from Fransiskus Assisi school (that would be in Indonesia) and see if you see a Barry Soetoro, nationality Indonesia, religion Islam, there. So do I. Whoever could that person be? The name is pretty different from B.H.O’s. Hmmm.

Point being? He's known to have attended school in Indonesia. Doesn't change the FACT that he was born in Hawaii.

624 Miles Smit  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:32:44pm

Honestly, I would have expected we could all agree after 8 years of BDS that no one would want to imitate the idiocies of the Left. Let's not keep the Moonbats company by slumming in the conspiracy swamps.

625 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:36:22pm

re: #619 danrudy

This is about pointig out that SHE was guilty of doing something she said she wasnt.

Right- because even mentioning that someone might be a creationist is an attack in your book. You have a hyper-inflated sense of what constitutes an attack on people of faith. I don't even think you care about the sensitivities of people of faith- just one particular division. You sure didn't care about muslim sensitivities when you made a joke about the recent beheading victim. Should I call you a hypocrite? No- you're just too busy pushing the DI talking point that calling a person a creationist is an attack on Christianity. Since that's mostly what you've spent your time on LGF discussing, you look like you have an agenda.

626 Yashmak  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:20:29pm

re: #620 Yashmak

Oops. . .just realized there's a typo in my post. . .does say:

"Add to that, the fact that I did make any request that your post get deleted"

Should say:

"Add to that, the fact that I did NOT make any request that you post get deleted"

I think it's probably clear that's what I meant. . .but better safe than sorry.

627 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:54:58pm

re: #577 davemanus

Personally, I'm for the kitchen sink approach against Obama. It worked with Preisident Bush, driving good man's numbers into the ground and damaging his policies. Every stone thrown against Obama that strikes its target weakens him and diminishes him. The Democrats proved this to be true, just as the Republicans did against Clinton: dont' believe me? Ask President Gore or President Hillary. We are in all out war. You don't have to embrace far-fetched smears, but reporting them and pushing them is absolutely important. Hit hte bastards where they live. Demean them, insult them magnify gaffes and mistakes.

Obama walks in window intstead of door. Obama bumps his head on Air Force One. Obama botched stimulus big. Obama may not even be a US citizen. Obama has sympathizes for Muslim extrememists. It's fair game and we should pound it to the hilt, until the narrative becomes that this guy is incompetent an useless and a failed president. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Then we crush him in 2012.

If people have to resort to lying smears in order to win, perhaps they don't deserve to. There are enough legitimate gripes to be raised against Obama that people shouldn't feel compelled to stoop to killing their own credibility by pushing illegitimate crapola in a self-defeating attempt to prevail.

628 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:58:49pm

re: #605 danrudy

Hey geniuses....go back and read the thread...it was a joke...
OMG...you people cant even tell when........oh forget it!

That's what sarc tags ( / ) are for.

629 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:02:31pm

re: #605 danrudy

Hey geniuses....go back and read the thread...it was a joke...
OMG...you people cant even tell when........oh forget it!

and just who exactly are you referring to when you say "you people"?
or are you generalizing at the expense of those not involved?

630 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:00:26pm

re: #629 gman

and just who exactly are you referring to when you say "you people"?
or are you generalizing at the expense of those not involved?

"you people" refers to the people I am currently engaged in a conversation with....the genuises who would actually take a comment that Dildo's are driving up the cost of healthcare as anything but a joke...

631 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:09:53pm

re: #628 Salamantis

That's what sarc tags ( / ) are for.

LOL...and without the tag you would take a comment like that seriously as anything but joke?
Do I need to go back and put tags on my light bulb bottle comments regarding raising the price of recycling and electricity now as well to avoid confusion? in post #614?

632 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:24:17pm

re: #631 danrudy

LOL...and without the tag you would take a comment like that seriously as anything but joke?
Do I need to go back and put tags on my light bulb bottle comments regarding raising the price of recycling and electricity now as well to avoid confusion? in post #614?

But the problem is that people actually ARE trying to outlaw dildoes in some states. They used to be outlawed in Alabama and Mississippi, and may still be. And one of those 4 nirther certifikat Tennessee state senators is pushing for the same.

It's not an obvious joke when an unfortunate reality would seem to conform to it.

633 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:25:02pm
634 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:49:42pm

re: #625 Sharmuta

Right- because even mentioning that someone might be a creationist is an attack in your book. You have a hyper-inflated sense of what constitutes an attack on people of faith. I don't even think you care about the sensitivities of people of faith- just one particular division. You sure didn't care about Muslim sensitivities when you made a joke about the recent beheading victim. Should I call you a hypocrite? No- you're just too busy pushing the DI talking point that calling a person a creationist is an attack on Christianity. Since that's mostly what you've spent your time on LGF discussing, you look like you have an agenda.

First off...I am Jewish. Not particularly religious but grew up in conservadox environs.
Agreed that mentioning someone is a creationist is not necessarily an attack. But we are talking about YOUR comment. YOUR comment clearly was meant to be (of course after explaining to me how no such thing occurs) How now was your comment meant in another way? Was it a compliment? On a thread about kooky conspirators about Obama's birth certificate out of the blue you lumped them in with creationists. (Not creationists that want to change the public school curriculum but all people of faith that think that a Deity might have had a hand in creation).
It would appear that it is you that is fixated on the creationism issue.

My comment " I will now happily go back to reading about folks trying to portray Muslims in a more positive light by beheading their wives."

Read the comment again....to whom am I referring? Muslims in general or the people who wish to portray Muslims in a more positive light by committing acts of violence?
A) I thought it was pretty obvious to whom I was referring. THE FOLKS...or in this case the gentleman who was the object of the thread Clearly your personal prejudices are showing again. The joke was not that Muslims can be shown in a fine light . They can! I have trained with and work alongside many of them as friends at work. The humor was (as I assume Charles meant) that it was funny that someone who would hope to portray a group in a more positive light as their representative would go ahead and behead someone and feed into the worst stereotypes. It hardly portrays anyone in a better light. Once again your biases show...are you really that intolerant?

B)As it was one of the next threads started by Charles it was clearly relevant to me saying..."OK, time to move on". It was not a comment pulled out of thin air. It was referring to one of the next threads. Your comment on the other hand....seemed to be unrelated to the topic at hand. Again, who is it that is fixated on creationists?

C)I don't see how in a conversation about creationists and your apparent low opinion of them would lead to you try and link it to murderers who behead people. Is that how low you really feel of people of religion and lump them with people who would behead their wife?

You are beginning to sound like an elitist San Francisco Liberal.

635 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:53:04pm

re: #632 Salamantis

But the problem is that people actually ARE trying to outlaw dildoes in some states. They used to be outlawed in Alabama and Mississippi, and may still be. And one of those 4 nirther certifikat Tennessee state senators is pushing for the same.

It's not an obvious joke when an unfortunate reality would seem to conform to it.

And he is doing so with the claim that they are causing our health care costs to rise or our morals to sink?
I believe he was using the latter argument. The former argument would be silly and I have never heard it advanced before. Another reason why I thought I was being so damn funny in the first place (if I may say so myself). Humor comes from the unexpected.

636 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:33:10pm

re: #635 danrudy

And he is doing so with the claim that they are causing our health care costs to rise or our morals to sink?
I believe he was using the latter argument. The former argument would be silly and I have never heard it advanced before. Another reason why I thought I was being so damn funny in the first place (if I may say so myself). Humor comes from the unexpected.

Politicians who are doing things for one reason often cover themselves by claiming that they are doing it for another. That some politicians who oppose dildoes on moral grounds might cover themselves by invoking public health concerns seems eminently plausible to me; we saw a lot of that happening regarding gays and HIV.

637 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:44:29pm

re: #634 danrudy

Today alone I have discussed other topics on this blog, from media bias to George Washington to fascists. You're the one still fixated on one issue. I don't know who you think you're fooling.

638 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:44:47pm

re: #636 Salamantis

Politicians who are doing things for one reason often cover themselves by claiming that they are doing it for another. That some politicians who oppose dildo's on moral grounds might cover themselves by invoking public health concerns seems eminently plausible to me; we saw a lot of that happening regarding gays and HIV.

Well...there is this certain bridge that I think you might be interested in buying

Funny how a conversation that essentially begins with my trying to ward off what I feel are unwarranted libels ends with Dildo's.
Talk about De-evolution of a conversation

639 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:52:08pm

re: #637 Sharmuta

Today alone I have discussed other topics on this blog, from media bias to George Washington to fascists. You're the one still fixated on one issue. I don't know who you think you're fooling.

Well....I work for a living.

I am not fooling anyone.

I had a fairly busy day at work with a few moments to read your responses and reply over lunch and then have come home to several sick kids. I don't really have the luxury to get involved with multiple conversations and threads. So, I prefer to finish the one I was involved with before beginning new ones.
Of course, accusing me of trying to fool you doesn't really address the issues I raised in #634...does it?

640 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:54:35pm

re: #638 danrudy

Well...there is this certain bridge that I think you might be interested in buying

Funny how a conversation that essentially begins with my trying to ward off what I feel are unwarranted libels ends with Dildo's.
Talk about De-evolution of a conversation

Some people here took your joke seriously. There are, or recently were, laws on the books in some states (Texas is another one that passed such a law) that provided them logical and rational evidentiary reasons for doing so.

Deal with it.

641 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:00:19pm

re: #639 danrudy

Well....I work for a living.

I am not fooling anyone.

I had a fairly busy day at work with a few moments to read your responses and reply over lunch and then have come home to several sick kids. I don't really have the luxury to get involved with multiple conversations and threads. So, I prefer to finish the one I was involved with before beginning new ones.
Of course, accusing me of trying to fool you doesn't really address the issues I raised in #634...does it?

Profiling works. When you are checking flight passengers for explosives, it makes sense to check Muslims for them before Quakers or the Amish. Likewise, when you see state legislators buying into rightwingnut conspiracy theories, it is more likely that they are religious fundamentalists than that they are leftist socialists.

642 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:02:50pm

re: #639 danrudy

As strange as it obviously is to you, the reason I mentioned these 4 people might be creationists is because they fit a pattern- they're republicans committing themselves to a notion that's been proven untrue, kind of like literal 6 day creation. When one can continue believing in something that's already been factually shown to be untrue, there might just be other things they believe that have similarly no factual basis. They're welcome to believe whatever they'd like, but my mentioning that this all too common theme might exist doesn't equate to me bashing anyone. And as later facts would reveal- I wasn't off the mark.

643 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:27:34pm

re: #641 Salamantis

Profiling works. When you are checking flight passengers for explosives, it makes sense to check Muslims for them before Quakers or the Amish. Likewise, when you see state legislators buying into rightwingnut conspiracy theories, it is more likely that they are religious fundamentalists than that they are leftist socialists.

Hmm...I didnt realizing we were on a hunt for creationists. I thought the thread had to do with conspiracy theories related to Obama's birthplace.
It's a good thing you are always on the lookout for those crazy creationists lest they sneak a remark in about evolution and public school education....The horror!

644 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:45:53pm

re: #642 Sharmuta

As strange as it obviously is to you, the reason I mentioned these 4 people might be creationists is because they fit a pattern- they're republicans committing themselves to a notion that's been proved untrue, kind of like literal 6 day creation. When one can continue believing in something that's already been factually shown to be untrue, there might just be other things they believe that have similarly no factual basis. They're welcome to believe whatever they'd like, but my mentioning that this all too common theme might exist doesn't equate to me bashing anyone. And as later facts would reveal- I wasn't off the mark.

You think they are similar? i was unaware that belief in Hawaii covering up or falsifying BO's birth records constituted a matter of faith. I thought it was accepted here on this board that it was a matter of delusion. Are you saying that belief in a 6 day creation is similarly a matter of delusion or is it a matter of faith ...or is there no difference?

645 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:09:50pm

re: #643 danrudy

Hmm...I didnt realizing we were on a hunt for creationists. I thought the thread had to do with conspiracy theories related to Obama's birthplace.
It's a good thing you are always on the lookout for those crazy creationists lest they sneak a remark in about evolution and public school education....The horror!

It was idle speculation. And, as it happened, it was spot on.

646 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:14:35pm

re: #644 danrudy

You think they are similar? i was unaware that belief in Hawaii covering up or falsifying BO's birth records constituted a matter of faith. I thought it was accepted here on this board that it was a matter of delusion. Are you saying that belief in a 6 day creation is similarly a matter of delusion or is it a matter of faith ...or is there no difference?

In the case of believing that God created the Universe, the earth, and all living things a few thousand years ago, and created millions upon millions of species, both existent and extinct, separately and as is, it is both, since such claims have been conclusively empirically falsified, unless, that is, you believe in a deceitful and dishonest God who would stoop to systematically abusing the Book of Nature by falsifying empirical evidence in order to lie to all humanity.

647 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:36:41pm

re: #646 Salamantis

In the case of believing that God created the Universe, the earth, and all living things a few thousand years ago, and created millions upon millions of species, both existent and extinct, separately and as is, it is both, since such claims have been conclusively empirically falsified, unless, that is, you believe in a deceitful and dishonest God who would stoop to systematically abusing the Book of Nature by falsifying empirical evidence in order to lie to all humanity.

Ahhh.
So religious people ARE delusional

648 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:38:01pm

re: #645 Salamantis

It was idle speculation. And, as it happened, it was spot on.

It may have been speculation but it was hardly idle

649 danrudy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:46:16pm

re: #646 Salamantis

In the case of believing that God created the Universe, the earth, and all living things a few thousand years ago, and created millions upon millions of species, both existent and extinct, separately and as is, it is both, since such claims have been conclusively empirically falsified, unless, that is, you believe in a deceitful and dishonest God who would stoop to systematically abusing the Book of Nature by falsifying empirical evidence in order to lie to all humanity.

Wow.
Assuming there was a god I find it pretty impressive that you might know her motivations and assume that she was lying to humanity. I mean, if there was a god I don't suppose things could happen for reasons we don't understand or are not privy to understanding .

Again, that is not say there is or isnt. BUt, I am completely in awe of your intellect. It seems we are to know everything. Perhaps you can answer the question that has plagued me my whole life and led me to major in philosophy.
If there is a god where did she come from?
If there is no god where did we come from?

650 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:07:56pm

re: #647 danrudy

Ahhh.
So religious people ARE delusional

Not all of them. Or even most. But Genesis Literalists demonstrably are. And willfully so. Because the facts of the matter are widely available.

651 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:18:48pm

re: #649 danrudy

Wow.
Assuming there was a god I find it pretty impressive that you might know her motivations and assume that she was lying to humanity. I mean, if there was a god I don't suppose things could happen for reasons we don't understand or are not privy to understanding .

Whatever the motivation might be, if the Book of Genesis is literally true, then the act of salting our soil and genes with misdirection would be a de facto deception. Appeals to mystery do not alter this fact.

Again, that is not say there is or isnt. BUt, I am completely in awe of your intellect. It seems we are to know everything. Perhaps you can answer the question that has plagued me my whole life and led me to major in philosophy.
If there is a god where did she come from?
If there is no god where did we come from?

The answer to the first question would seem to require an even more complex creator of a complex universe-creating deity (one bright and powerful enough to create the universe would have to be more complex than the universe itself), which itself would require an even more complex creator of it, and so on in infinite regress. Turtles all the way down a bottomless well.

The second question would be answered by spontaneous abiogenesis, and subsequent evolution via random genetic mutation and nonrandom environmental selection, over a period exceeding 3 1/2 billion years (fossilized traces of carbon-based lifeforms have been discovered that date that far back). Invoking earth-seeding comets or aliens only kicks the evolutionary can down the universal road, but not off of it, as they themselves would have had to evolve somewhere in the universe.

And my ba is in philosophy, and my ma is in humanities interdisciplinary, with philosophy as a major track. My philosophical specialties are phenomenology, genetic epistemology, hermeneutics, semiotics, and memetics. I can link you to some of my essays if you desire.

652 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:20:38pm

Btw, srmoss, you chickenshit stealth downdinger; come out of the cybershadows and justify your disapproval.

653 danrudy  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 5:41:46am

re: #651 Salamantis

The answer to the first question would seem to require an even more complex creator of a complex universe-creating deity (one bright and powerful enough to create the universe would have to be more complex than the universe itself), which itself would require an even more complex creator of it, and so on in infinite regress. Turtles all the way down a bottomless well.

The second question would be answered by spontaneous abiogenesis, and subsequent evolution via random genetic mutation and nonrandom environmental selection, over a period exceeding 3 1/2 billion years (fossilized traces of carbon-based lifeforms have been discovered that date that far back). Invoking earth-seeding comets or aliens only kicks the evolutionary can down the universal road, but not off of it, as they themselves would have had to evolve somewhere in the universe.

And my ba is in philosophy, and my ma is in humanities interdisciplinary, with philosophy as a major track. My philosophical specialties are phenomenology, genetic epistemology, hermeneutics, semiotics, and memetics. I can link you to some of my essays if you desire.

I disagree.
I dont believe our finite minds can adequately grasp the infinite as it pertains to questions of god or the universe. It is a concept we will never be able to grasp fully no matter how much we try to "logic it out" and thus there needs to either be a leap of faith to fill in the gap or simply understand that we wont understand. No need to come up with BS theories that always end in infinite regress. Infinite regress is not an answer.
Similarly the appeal to spontaneous abiogenesis fails. Its all great once you have some protoplasm and everything can fall into place. Where did the protoplasm come from? What "banged" in the big bang.
again...back to infinite regress. And thus, again...either a leap of faith or a theory that has a very large hole. Either way, we are dealing with the unknowable. One can either choose a leap of faith and give their life some purpose and meaning or one can claim we are a cosmological accident and thus justify their life not really having any purpose.

I submit that it might not be so "kooky" of the former group to choose their path as you seem to believe. I submit that they may be choosing a life of purpose and meaning rather then simply being.

654 Yashmak  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 7:27:27am

re: #653 danrudy

I disagree.
I dont believe our finite minds can adequately grasp the infinite as it pertains to questions of god or the universe. It is a concept we will never be able to grasp fully no matter how much we try to "logic it out" and thus there needs to either be a leap of faith to fill in the gap or simply understand that we wont understand. No need to come up with BS theories that always end in infinite regress. Infinite regress is not an answer.

Thankfully, there are many in our society who feel that for us, anything is possible in time, and don't simply throw up their hands and dismiss the possibility with "we'll never know, it's not worth trying!" Even if we never know, it's important to strive to answer these questions. That's how we move forward as a species.

655 danrudy  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 7:48:07am

re: #654 Yashmak

Thankfully, there are many in our society who feel that for us, anything is possible in time, and don't simply throw up their hands and dismiss the possibility with "we'll never know, it's not worth trying!" Even if we never know, it's important to strive to answer these questions. That's how we move forward as a species.


That is a good point and one I agree with. However, there are many who seem to think that they have already arrived at the answer when in fact they haven't and will likely not be able to.
Currently, it is impossible to prove god exists. That doesnt mean she doesn't. It is also impossible to prove God doesn't exist.

It would seem that many have concluded that there is no god. I have accepted that this "logical proof" will elude me forever just as it has eluded he great philosophers before us despite some of them "thinking " they had arrived at proof. this is a vacuum that you either let faith step in or you dont. I dont think that those who let faith fill that vacuum are kooks or worthy of scorn as I mention above

656 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:23:26pm

re: #653 danrudy

I disagree.
I dont believe our finite minds can adequately grasp the infinite as it pertains to questions of god or the universe. It is a concept we will never be able to grasp fully no matter how much we try to "logic it out" and thus there needs to either be a leap of faith to fill in the gap or simply understand that we wont understand. No need to come up with BS theories that always end in infinite regress. Infinite regress is not an answer.

You repeat your appeal to mystery, then claim that infinite regress is not an answer while failing to point out exactly WHY it is not logically entailed by the question.

Similarly the appeal to spontaneous abiogenesis fails. Its all great once you have some protoplasm and everything can fall into place. Where did the protoplasm come from? What "banged" in the big bang.

Something CAN just happen to come out of nothing; that's the whole idea behind a random quantum fluctuation. But you are moving the goalposts from the beginning of life to the beginning of the Universe. That's okay; I can address both sets of goal lines. In fact, I have.

again...back to infinite regress. And thus, again...either a leap of faith or a theory that has a very large hole. Either way, we are dealing with the unknowable. One can either choose a leap of faith and give their life some purpose and meaning or one can claim we are a cosmological accident and thus justify their life not really having any purpose.

The point with infinite regress is that it presents an insurmountable logical problem. And I LIKE my life not being chained to some cosmic meaning, which would be arbitrary as far as my own choices were concerned; it means that I can bestow upon it the human meanings and purposes that I choose, and effortfully ratify and reify them by committed action.

I submit that it might not be so "kooky" of the former group to choose their path as you seem to believe. I submit that they may be choosing a life of purpose and meaning rather then simply being.

No, they are engaging in a contradiction; they are choosing to choose once, and to choose no longer - that is, to choose to adhere to some ancient dogma or other, and to allow it to henceforth make their choices FOR them. Soren Kierkegaard may have written movingly about relinquishing his freedom and objectivity and making such a leap, but I prefer to keep my feet on solid logical and empirical ground, and to choose where I walk on it.

657 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:30:48pm

re: #655 danrudy

That is a good point and one I agree with. However, there are many who seem to think that they have already arrived at the answer when in fact they haven't and will likely not be able to.
Currently, it is impossible to prove god exists. That doesnt mean she doesn't. It is also impossible to prove God doesn't exist.

It would seem that many have concluded that there is no god. I have accepted that this "logical proof" will elude me forever just as it has eluded he great philosophers before us despite some of them "thinking " they had arrived at proof. this is a vacuum that you either let faith step in or you dont. I dont think that those who let faith fill that vacuum are kooks or worthy of scorn as I mention above

Our sciences, which proceed by induction according to the Verification Principle, are sciences of matter and energy. The sine qua non (condition in the absence of which they would not be what they are) of matter and energy is that they be sensorily perceivable phenomena. These immanent objects of perception are then measured by relating our perceptions of them to our perceptions of intersubjectively agreed-upon standards of measurement which are themselves physical. These quantified perceptions must then be amenable to repetition at will by means of any duplication of the conditions under which they appear. This method cannot be used to either verify or falsify the presence or absence of transcendent nonphysical Mind. Our sensuous perceptions, our technological augmentation of them, our devices of measurement, our method of repetition are all immanent and physical; they are categorically incapable of this task. We cannot prove God is anywhere, and neither can we prove that there is anywhere God is not.

We can, however, prove that empirical statements made by religions are in fact false, such as I mentioned in #646:

re: #646 Salamantis

In the case of believing that God created the Universe, the earth, and all living things a few thousand years ago, and created millions upon millions of species, both existent and extinct, separately and as is, it is both, since such claims have been conclusively empirically falsified, unless, that is, you believe in a deceitful and dishonest God who would stoop to systematically abusing the Book of Nature by falsifying empirical evidence in order to lie to all humanity.

Or do you think that you can empirically falsify the fossil record, shared artifactual retroviral DNA sequences, and dozens of mutually corroboration methods of radiometric dating? You are welcome to try.

658 tommylotto  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:33:47pm

I understand the scorn for those arguing that Obama was born in Kenya. (He has produced a certification of live birth indicating his place of birth as Hawaii, and that document should create a presumption that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii). However, I don't understand why the entire issue is strictly verboten.

The cases also raise an interesting legal issue that could tangentially impact illegal immigration. Is a citizen born with dual citizenship and dual loyalties a "natural born citizen" as that term is defined in the Constitution? That is an issue that has never been addressed by the courts. US v. Wong Kim Ark applied the 14th Amendment to give those born on US soil citizenship rights, but that case has been criticized -- particularly its application to illegal immigrants (Ark's parents were legal), and that case just determined citizenship status and did not determine who is a "natural born citizen." Is there a difference between "citizen at birth" and "natural born citizen" as that phrase was used in the Constitution? This question has not been decided and raises interesting issues. Ask Emerich de Vattel.

Note: I am not a creationist, and , in fact, I myself might not be a "natural born" citizen even though I am a second generation American citizen. My grandfather was an Italian citizen (he later naturalized as a US citizen) when he gave birth to my father here in the US, and later my father sired me here in the US. However, due to Italian nationality law passing citizenship via male parentage, since my grandfather was an Italian citizen, my father was technically a dual (US -Italian) citizen and that dual citizenship was passed on to me -- though I am as American as Bevis and Butthead. I find it fascinating that under the understanding of the Constitution when it was written that I might be barred from the office of POTUS.

Anyway, I find the legal issue fascinating and wish the court would address it. However, my suspicion is that the Court is trying to avoid the issue, because bad facts make bad law. Those on the court sympathetic to revisiting US v. Ark (i.e., Alito) in the context of the immigration of Jose Gonzalez, might not want to do so in the context of potentially disqualifying a President with a 68% approval rating.

659 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 5:57:36pm

re: #658 tommylotto

I understand the scorn for those arguing that Obama was born in Kenya. (He has produced a certification of live birth indicating his place of birth as Hawaii, and that document should create a presumption that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii). However, I don't understand why the entire issue is strictly verboten.

The cases also raise an interesting legal issue that could tangentially impact illegal immigration. Is a citizen born with dual citizenship and dual loyalties a "natural born citizen" as that term is defined in the Constitution? That is an issue that has never been addressed by the courts. US v. Wong Kim Ark applied the 14th Amendment to give those born on US soil citizenship rights, but that case has been criticized -- particularly its application to illegal immigrants (Ark's parents were legal), and that case just determined citizenship status and did not determine who is a "natural born citizen." Is there a difference between "citizen at birth" and "natural born citizen" as that phrase was used in the Constitution? This question has not been decided and raises interesting issues. Ask Emerich de Vattel.

Note: I am not a creationist, and , in fact, I myself might not be a "natural born" citizen even though I am a second generation American citizen. My grandfather was an Italian citizen (he later naturalized as a US citizen) when he gave birth to my father here in the US, and later my father sired me here in the US. However, due to Italian nationality law passing citizenship via male parentage, since my grandfather was an Italian citizen, my father was technically a dual (US -Italian) citizen and that dual citizenship was passed on to me -- though I am as American as Bevis and Butthead. I find it fascinating that under the understanding of the Constitution when it was written that I might be barred from the office of POTUS.

Anyway, I find the legal issue fascinating and wish the court would address it. However, my suspicion is that the Court is trying to avoid the issue, because bad facts make bad law. Those on the court sympathetic to revisiting US v. Ark (i.e., Alito) in the context of the immigration of Jose Gonzalez, might not want to do so in the context of potentially disqualifying a President with a 68% approval rating.

Obama, having been born in Hawaii, is indeed a natural born US citizen. His dual citizenship neither abrogates that fact, nor indicates the possession of dual loyalties. I voted for McCain, but Obama was elected fair and square, he is now my president, too (I will not stoop to the level of the moonbats who denied that Dubya was theirs), and now we have to live through the consequences of the majority's choice.

660 tommylotto  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 6:33:08pm
His dual citizenship neither abrogates that fact, nor indicates the possession of dual loyalties.

That certainly is a valid position to take. Do you have support for it or is that just your opinion? Even so, the preeminent treatise on international law at the time the Constitution was ratified was Emerich de Vattel's The Law of Nations which states that, "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens." So, the contrary position has legitimate support too. The fact that the Constitutional term "natural born citizen" has never been defined by the Supreme Court means that the issue is a matter of first impression. We just do not know how a court will define that term until they do it. Regardless of the outcome or the ultimate result, the term need to be defined.

This is not Obama derangement syndrome. I believe he was born in Hawaii, just like his certificate of live birth suggests. However, the Constitution contains arcane language that has never been interpreted, and it is possible that this arcane language creates a technicality that would bar both Obama and myself from POTUS. It is also possible that you are correct and the Supreme Court would cite the example of President Arthur (whose father was an Irish citizen when he was born) and hold that dual citizenship is not a bar to becoming POTUS. We just don't know, because the court has not yet addressed the issue.

661 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:07:10pm

re: #660 tommylotto

That certainly is a valid position to take. Do you have support for it or is that just your opinion? Even so, the preeminent treatise on international law at the time the Constitution was ratified was Emerich de Vattel's The Law of Nations which states that, "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens." So, the contrary position has legitimate support too. The fact that the Constitutional term "natural born citizen" has never been defined by the Supreme Court means that the issue is a matter of first impression. We just do not know how a court will define that term until they do it. Regardless of the outcome or the ultimate result, the term need to be defined.

This is not Obama derangement syndrome. I believe he was born in Hawaii, just like his certificate of live birth suggests. However, the Constitution contains arcane language that has never been interpreted, and it is possible that this arcane language creates a technicality that would bar both Obama and myself from POTUS. It is also possible that you are correct and the Supreme Court would cite the example of President Arthur (whose father was an Irish citizen when he was born) and hold that dual citizenship is not a bar to becoming POTUS. We just don't know, because the court has not yet addressed the issue.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): In this case, the majority of the Court held that a child born in U.S. territory to parents who were subjects of the emperor of China but who had “a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China” was a U.S. Citizen. The Court stated that: "The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [citizen and natural born citizen], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'" [15] Since there was no definition found in the constitution, the majority adopted the common law of England that was a carry over from feudal times. The dissent argued that the meaning of the “subject to the jurisdiction” language found in 14th Amendment was the same as that found in the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provides: “All persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.” On the meaning of “natural born citizen,” the dissent also cited the preeminent treatise on international law by Emerich de Vattel entitled “The Law of Nations” which was known to have influenced the drafters of the original constitution[16]: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens."[17] The dissenters also noted that: "it is unreasonable to conclude that 'natural born citizen' applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances; and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay, or other race, were eligible to the presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not."[15]

to be continued...

662 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:07:53pm

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939): The U.S. Supreme Court concluded that Marie Elizabeth Elg, who was born in the United States of Swedish parents naturalized in the United States, had not lost her birthright U.S. citizenship because of her removal during minority to Sweden and was entitled to all the rights and privileges of that U.S. citizenship. In this case, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the decree that declared Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States."

Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964): The Court voided a statute that provided that a naturalized citizen should lose his United States citizenship if, following naturalization, he resided continuously for three years in his former homeland. "We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the 'natural born' citizen is eligible to be President."

663 tommylotto  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:15:27am

I see that you have read that wiki article on Natural Born Citizen that I have been slowly trying to bring balance to. If you note, US v. Kim Wong Ark dealt with citizenship. Perkins v. Elg dealt with citizenship. Schneider v. Rusk dealt with citizenship. All the other cases dealt with citizenship. And those cases are not all in accord (See, Elk v. Wilkins). Those cases mostly discuss the 14th Amendment and turn on the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction of..." No case that I know of has ever been decided that dealt directly with the constitutional requirement for POTUS (other than off handed dicta in citizenship cases that has no precedential value in a Presidential qualification test). The 14th Amendment merely says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..." It only uses the term "citizen." It does not use the term "natural born citizen" -- that phrase was only used in the Constitution to describe the qualifications for President (and Vice President).

You see, there is a valid undecided legal argument that "natural born citizen" is a legal term of art inserted into the Constitution which means something other than just a citizen by birth. I would agree that the weight of the authority in the US adopts the jus soli theory of citizenship over the jus sanguinis theory in citizenship cases in determining the meaning of "citizen" in the Constitution. There are those who would like to roll back that definition to exclude those born in the US while their parents were illegally within the borders of the US by arguing those here illegally were not subject to the jurisdiction of the US in the context that that phrase was used in the 14th Amendment. That dispute only concerns the term "citizen". If "natural born citizen" merely means a "citizen" at birth, then to decide one is to decide the other, but if "natural born citizen" is a term of art, then the 14th Amendment cases may be instructive, but not determinative in a Presidential qualification test.

In summary, even the term "citizen" may still be an open legal question and the term "natural born citizen" in the context of Presidential qualifications is a question of first impression that has never been decided. The "nirthers" would probably lose this argument, but the argument has legal merit and should not be mocked until it is decided. The two arguments (his birth certificate is false) / (dual citizen not natural born citizen) should not be conflated and dismissed together.

664 Salamantis  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:28:13pm

re: #663 tommylotto

I see that you have read that wiki article on Natural Born Citizen that I have been slowly trying to bring balance to. If you note, US v. Kim Wong Ark dealt with citizenship. Perkins v. Elg dealt with citizenship. Schneider v. Rusk dealt with citizenship. All the other cases dealt with citizenship. And those cases are not all in accord (See, Elk v. Wilkins). Those cases mostly discuss the 14th Amendment and turn on the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction of..." No case that I know of has ever been decided that dealt directly with the constitutional requirement for POTUS (other than off handed dicta in citizenship cases that has no precedential value in a Presidential qualification test). The 14th Amendment merely says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..." It only uses the term "citizen." It does not use the term "natural born citizen" -- that phrase was only used in the Constitution to describe the qualifications for President (and Vice President).

You see, there is a valid undecided legal argument that "natural born citizen" is a legal term of art inserted into the Constitution which means something other than just a citizen by birth. I would agree that the weight of the authority in the US adopts the jus soli theory of citizenship over the jus sanguinis theory in citizenship cases in determining the meaning of "citizen" in the Constitution. There are those who would like to roll back that definition to exclude those born in the US while their parents were illegally within the borders of the US by arguing those here illegally were not subject to the jurisdiction of the US in the context that that phrase was used in the 14th Amendment. That dispute only concerns the term "citizen". If "natural born citizen" merely means a "citizen" at birth, then to decide one is to decide the other, but if "natural born citizen" is a term of art, then the 14th Amendment cases may be instructive, but not determinative in a Presidential qualification test.

In summary, even the term "citizen" may still be an open legal question and the term "natural born citizen" in the context of Presidential qualifications is a question of first impression that has never been decided. The "nirthers" would probably lose this argument, but the argument has legal merit and should not be mocked until it is decided. The two arguments (his birth certificate is false) / (dual citizen not natural born citizen) should not be conflated and dismissed together.

The first two of the three court cases I referenced dealt with 'natural born citizens'. You can huff and puff and whine and moan all you wanna, but they were taken from US case law. Your debate isn't with wikipedia, it's with the US Judiciary.

665 tommylotto  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:51:19pm

I am not debating anyone - just pointing out that there is a legitimate issue to be decided by the courts. No case has defined the Constitutional term "natural born citizen" because that term only appears in the Constitution as a qualification for President or Vice President. Since no case has defined that term in the context of a qualification challenge, there is no controlling precedent. Those other cases may have discussed the term "natural born citizen" as part of their published opinion, but that portion of the opinion would only be dicta - potentially persuasive, but not controlling.


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