We Got Mail! (And the Door Opens) - Update: The Door Closes

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After my posts on Ann Coulter’s unconscionable defense of a blatantly white supremacist organization, it’s no surprise to find several hate mails in the Inbox this morning. And the usual blogosphere primates are pointing and screeching and throwing feces.

But instead of focusing on the reactionaries, I’ll post two emails of support.

The first is titled, “Appreciation re Coulter:”

I wanted to say thank you for your allegiance to principle, and for not selling your soul (as so many Republicans have done) to the pragmatic pursuit of the politically expedient.  It takes courage to do what you do, and there are a lot of people who truly appreciate you for it.

For years, pragmatists have cynically pandered to the religious right, thinking that they could “use” them to gain more political power.  Now we are learning who was using, and who was being used.  Some of them are now trying to “use” the racist fringe in the same way, and it is vile and inexcusable.  But a single strong voice against them makes a world of difference.  Keep it up.

The second is titled, “The Ann Coulter CCC thing:”

Hi. I have to tell you that reading both your post and all the followup comments on the Ann Coulter bro-ha-ha has really made me feel… I dunno how to describe it, other than.. I guess.. Hopeful.

Because of crap like this going on from Conservative Bloggers in Canada… people siding with, or openly supporting bigotry against various ethnic groups - I have felt for a very long time like a fish out of water. I’m a classical liberal/anarcho libertarian type. I’ve been so very downheartened for so very long at how much the right in North America kind of went Kablooie over the past 8 years when it came to certain things.

Reading your blog today - with all those comments made me feel *at home* in the conservative movement for perhaps the first time since 2004. You are so very right that this sort of thing needs to be hauled out and severely chastized within the right movement. Somehow.. somewhere… that got lost for awhile.

I’m just so happy to read that the right is starting to clean house. Believe me… if this carries on - I’ll be back on side with the right in no time at all. Thank you for giving me hope.Really - I greatly appreciate it.

And with that, we now open registration for a limited time. (I expect some of the haters to try to get in, but I suspect there are more people out there who agree with my opinions about the need to shun these idiot white supremacists and those who make excuses for them.)

UPDATE at 2/16/09 11:23:30 am:

Registration is now closed, with 210 hatchlings.

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477 comments
1 Shug  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:04:19am

I hope Ann registers to explain herself

2 Shug  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:04:47am

and to take the heat.

3 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:05:17am

Those two e-mails must have been greatly encouraging to you and must have made your day!

4 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:05:26am

Keep shining the light on these folks, Charles.

5 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:05:40am

re: #1 Shug

I hope Ann registers to explain herself

That would be exciting.

6 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:05:59am

It's nice to see that we have others on our side here.

Welcome to the hatchlings.
Unwelcome to the trolls, mobys, and reruns.

7 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:06:00am

Integrity to principles is more attractive than bigotry.

8 Shug  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:06:37am

re: #5 MandyManners

That would be exciting.


a lizard intervention is what she needs

9 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:06:44am

re: #1 Shug

I hope Ann registers to explain herself

If so, then she better be prepared for wits sharper than her own.

10 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:07:14am

Supportive mail is nice but the hatemail is more fun (at least on this end).

11 Desert Dog  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:07:15am

Ann is ok sometimes, but grating, outrageous and downright stupid sometimes. She has a wit that can backfire.

12 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:07:33am

Here's her chat address.

13 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:07:39am

re: #1 Shug

Fat chance.

14 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:07:44am
15 JHW  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:07:59am

Expect some deflection by t-shirt tu quoque.

16 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:08:12am

WOOT! Finally made it*

17 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:08:12am

Come on in, folks!

18 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:08:51am

re: #17 Bloodnok

Come on in, folks!

NOT you, Arkay.

19 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:09:11am

Well, if we are known by the company we keep, then we conservatives do have a problem.

If the fringe elements are more and more identified as being part of the conservative "mainstream" --and it's happening as the left controls the images put out in the MSM--then we have to reject, as strongly as possible those elements. We cannot for the sake of expediency embrace groups who promote views which are anathema to the central philosophy of this country. What good id it if we win the election and lose our soul in the process.

20 Bubbaman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:09:33am

Oh boy newbie hatchlings - they taste like chicken!

21 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:09:40am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

These posts show me that there are so many people who share waht Charles is doing, but few actually say so out loud.

Its the haters who will use any means to drown out anything they object to - but while they make lots of noise theya re in fact small in numbers.

Generally, forming alliances with groups or people whose priciples are suspect, just for the sake of expediency, taints everything one aims to do. Yes, that applies to you as well, Mr Spencer.

Like that old proverb about dogs with fleas and lying down wih same has it ...

22 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:09:45am

I am getting the spinning wheel of death. Anyone else?

23 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:09:47am

re: #15 JHW

Expect some deflection by t-shirt tu quoque.

And not just the t-shirts. Some have gone so far on last night's threads to involve other websites. It's a logical fallacy, for starters, and second- no where have those sites that were mentioned been defended on LGF.

24 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:09:55am

re: #8 Shug

a lizard intervention is what she needs

One would also suggest an enema.

25 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:10:25am

re: #22 Erik The Red

I am getting the spinning wheel of death. Anyone else?

I got Master of the Flying Guillotine if that helps

26 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:10:32am

Welcome Hatchlings!

27 jorline  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:10:44am

Morning. Lizards.

Trolls, don't let the screen door hit-cha where the good lord split-cha!

28 pat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:10:48am

re: #22 Erik The Red

I am getting the spinning wheel of death. Anyone else?

ditto

29 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:10:50am

OT

Okay, ya don't even really need to click the link, but I absolutely love this headline:

Angry Mini workers hurl fruit at union leaders after job cuts

I clicked it because I wanted to read a story about really little people throwing fruit at union a-holes.

Turns out they work in the Mini body panel plant at BMW.

Oh well.

30 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:10:52am

BTW- stormfront is coming to Ann's defense. Nice friends you have, Coulter.

31 x-wing  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:10:57am

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Your nic must be popular. There's at least 3 of you here already ;>}

/

32 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:10:59am

re: #24 Honorary Yooper

One would also suggest an enema.

Her head might cave in

33 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:01am

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I got Master of the Flying Guillotine if that helps

Got that, refreshed and reloaded. Better now.

34 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:04am

re: #8 Shug

a lizard intervention is what she needs

And a cheeseburger and shake.

35 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:11am

Good morning, Charles ;).
I'd like to see you post more letters like this one.

Welcome, new hatchlings!

/most of you, anyway

36 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:14am

re: #22 Erik The Red

I am getting the spinning wheel of death. Anyone else?

I call it the whirling dervish of death.......
:)

37 JHW  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:20am

re: #23 Sharmuta

Thanks Sharmuta, I went to bed early, I'll check that out now, although it doesn't surprise me.

38 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:26am

re: #30 Sharmuta

BTW- stormfront is coming to Ann's defense. Nice friends you have, Coulter.

For real?

39 Gella  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:40am

SNL did a good job parodying her

40 Bubbaman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:42am

I've got to say that I'm surprised that there isn't a Presidents' Day thread (or maybe I'm pre-empting the surprise?) Wouldn't want this place to feel like gaggle. I see that they aren't celebrating either.

41 astronmr20  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:44am

Refresh the page.

42 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:55am

re: #11 Desert Dog

Ann is ok sometimes, but grating, outrageous and downright stupid sometimes. She has a wit that can backfire.

I read her more for the entertainment value. She is becoming something of a joke, though. She is more like a blonde Rosie or a tall Garafalo; half of what she says is hyperbole and the other half cannot be taken seriously.

43 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:56am

Let's see.

Potential trolls, mobies and thugs: Spencerians, Coulterians and creationists.

Potential friends: Almost everybody else.

Welcome, new lizards, and please post early and often.

We'll sort you out as the days drift by...

44 rightwinger3  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:11:57am

re: #23 Sharmuta

And not just the t-shirts. Some have gone so far on last night's threads to involve other websites. It's a logical fallacy, for starters, and second- no where have those sites that were mentioned been defended on LGF.

It was something about "they don't have any say in what types of ads the adservers put on their site" wasn't it?

45 razorbacker  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:12:01am

It occurs to me that I may not actually be a conservative. I mean, fiscally I am, but socially I seem to have quite enough trouble running my own life, thank you very much. You'll have to run your life pretty much without me.

Unless you define conservative as the preference for looking to past events to provide hints on present behavior, as opposed to jumping in with what ever the untested, untried, flavor-of-the-moment may be.

46 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:12:04am

re: #38 MandyManners

According to Irish Rose, and I have zero reason to suspect her as a source.

47 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:12:24am

re: #26 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Welcome Hatchlings!

I would say the same. Lets see what/who gets in first. I hope mostly useful newbies but throw a few trolls in for fun.

48 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:12:39am

re: #22 Erik The Red

I am getting the spinning wheel of death. Anyone else?

That's what happens when you lay down after drinking a pint of Jack Daniel's

49 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:12:47am

Granted I grew up in a VERY small town in Idaho yet I really never had any clue what racism was. Still really don't. I was always in the mindset that 'racism' was a thing of the past. Then after 9/11 and finding this blog, a few VB and BNP posts and the whole 'pseudo conservatives' pop out of the woodwork. I now see that it really is a problem. I don't even believe that the groups that support it can even be labeled as 'conservative'. This is great light that needs to be shined to get rid of the filth. A conservative party that we could all be proud of? Is that possible? Objectively and Intellectually honest and one of fiscal principle? I think it can happen.

As an Ann Coulter apologist I really hope she can take a step back and follow a different path than Robert Spencer.

50 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:12:49am

re: #30 Sharmuta

BTW- stormfront is coming to Ann's defense. Nice friends you have, Coulter.

Joy. We have fascists to the left and fascists to the right. Gotta keep making room for us freedon-loving types in the middle.

51 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:12:55am

re: #38 MandyManners

For real?

Check my last post on the second Coulter thread.

52 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:13:11am

re: #1 Shug

I hope Ann registers to explain herself

Not a big enough forum I'm afraid. She plays to huge audiences only.

53 astronmr20  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:13:14am

re: #29 subsailor68

OT

Okay, ya don't even really need to click the link, but I absolutely love this headline:

Angry Mini workers hurl fruit at union leaders after job cuts

I clicked it because I wanted to read a story about really little people throwing fruit at union a-holes.

Turns out they work in the Mini body panel plant at BMW.

Oh well.

That sort of entitlement enrages me.

Mini is selling less cars. Losing money, probably. Of course, layoffs would be inevitable.

Why can no one understand this concept? Am I going mad?

54 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:13:22am

re: #22 Erik The Red

I am getting the spinning wheel of death. Anyone else?

I've got the Spinning Wheel of Cheese

Youtube Video
55 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:13:26am

re: #46 Sharmuta

According to Irish Rose, and I have zero reason to suspect her as a source.

I might go looking. Gah. I'll need a lot of mental bleach.

56 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:13:32am

re: #1 Shug

I hope Ann registers to explain herself


Ann is registered,
Mandy Manners is Ann Coulter !
/

57 Shadetree_Computress  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:13:36am

Sometimes, in the heat of battle, a soldier (Ann) may forget which way the gun is pointing. In this case, she shot her own foot! And I am surprised at her comments. I certainly do not agree with cozying up to supremacist groups of any kind!

I, too, hope she explains herself. But I won't hold my breath.

By the way, what is a moby and a rerun? I know, I know. I'm "ignant".

:)

58 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:13:40am

re: #51 Irish Rose

Check my last post on the second Coulter thread.

Okey dokey.

59 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:13:46am

I'm just tired of all these Open Registration threads. What is Charles obsession with open registrations? Is this becoming some open registration bashing blog?

////

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:13:48am

StormFront shall never touch my computer screen.

Ain't I pure?!

61 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:14:20am

re: #53 astronmr20

That sort of entitlement enrages me.

Mini is selling less cars. Losing money, probably. Of course, layoffs would be inevitable.

Why can no one understand this concept? Am I going mad?

They're obviously not making the cars people want to buy.

62 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:14:21am

re: #56 ThinkRight

Ann is registered,
Mandy Manners is Ann Coulter !
/

I suggest you start running. Now. Hide.

63 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:14:26am

re: #48 calcajun

That's what happens when you lay down after drinking a pint of Jack Daniel's

That was last night and it was Johnny Black(I think)

64 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:14:57am

re: #56 ThinkRight

Ann is registered,
Mandy Manners is Ann Coulter !
/

I forsee a "WHACK!" in your future.

65 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:15:03am

re: #34 MandyManners

Here's another parenting book (via Instapundit) that might interest you....
No Fear(Growing up in a risk averse society)


The best part is that it's a free PDF download. Might be worth checking out.

66 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:15:04am

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

StormFront shall never touch my computer screen.

Ain't I pure?!

Yes. But 'pure' what?

//

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:15:05am

re: #56 ThinkRight

Ann is registered,
Mandy Manners is Ann Coulter !
/

Hiding under the table....shaking....

68 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:15:07am

re: #51 Irish Rose

Check my last post on the second Coulter thread.

bloodthirsty wise-ass Zionist metrosexuals

I'm giggling here.

69 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:15:16am

re: #44 rightwinger3

No- some guy said he couldn't get the ccc site at work, but could access the noi site.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

70 astronmr20  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:15:21am

re: #61 Honorary Yooper

They're obviously not making the cars people want to buy.

Ha!

(Actually, for sub-compacts, they are fun as hell to drive.)

71 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:15:29am

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

StormFront shall never touch my computer screen.

Ain't I pure?!

Not according to what I read on the bathroom wall.///

72 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:15:52am

re: #53 astronmr20

That sort of entitlement enrages me.

Mini is selling less cars. Losing money, probably. Of course, layoffs would be inevitable.

Why can no one understand this concept? Am I going mad?

No, the whole world is going mad. Lots of folks on an earlier thread commenting on the union/GM issues and the concern that union recalcitrance could sink GM.

And I think you're absolutely right that Mini is selling fewer cars.

73 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:15:57am

re: #56 ThinkRight

Ann is registered,
Mandy Manners is Ann Coulter !
/

Nah. I'm too soft and cuddly to be Coulter.

74 rightwinger3  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:16:03am

re: #61 Honorary Yooper

They're obviously not making the cars people want to buy.

Oh I think people want to buy them but have you seen the price? For the car you get it's ridiculous.

75 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:16:09am

re: #56 ThinkRight

Ann is registered,
Mandy Manners is Ann Coulter !
/

If you give me her bank account, you can call me Ann?

76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:16:10am

re: #71 calcajun

Not according to what I read on the bathroom wall.///

Oh, it's a different kind of pure.

77 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:16:16am

re: #63 Erik The Red

Yeah. The bottles do all look alike.

78 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:16:30am

Seriously, I'm gonna' check out Stormfront. bbiab

79 Dan G.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:16:40am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Thanks, this looks interesting.

80 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:16:49am

Mandy couldn't be Coulter. For one thing- Mandy has modesty.

81 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:17:03am

re: #78 MandyManners

Seriously, I'm gonna' check out Stormfront. bbiab

Get your shots before you go there.

82 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:17:08am

re: #73 MandyManners

Nah. I'm too soft and cuddly to be Coulter.


With all the "whack"ing you do I just thought you were her
LOL
/

83 astronmr20  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:17:16am

re: #78 MandyManners

Seriously, I'm gonna' check out Stormfront. bbiab

why?

84 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:17:43am

Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server.

85 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:18:07am

re: #78 MandyManners

Seriously, I'm gonna' check out Stormfront. bbiab

Oh noes! Make sure you suit up in Level 4 Hazmat kit.

86 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:18:11am

re: #51 Irish Rose

Check my last post on the second Coulter thread.

Just read the stuff you quoted in that post - that is shockingly vile, nay, its utterly sick.
I cannot believe how ingrained Jew Hate is, again, after just over 60 years.

87 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:18:24am

Another good one from Instapundit....
Why Not Bring a Neanderthal to Life?

Now that the Neanderthal genome has been reconstructed, my colleague Nicholas Wade reports, a leading genome researcher at Harvard says that a Neanderthal could be brought to life with present technology for about $30 million.

So why not do it? Why not give Harvard’s George Church the money he says could be used to resurrect a Neanderthal from DNA?

I’m bracing for a long list of objections from the world’s self-appointed keepers of bioethics, who must see this new Neanderthal issue as a research bonanza. Think of the conferences to plan, the books to publish, the donors to alarm! I can imagine an anti-Neanderthal alliance between the religious right and the religious left, like James Dobson and Jeremy Rifkin — what I like to call the holier-than-thou coalition opposed to new biological technologies.

88 rightwinger3  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:18:27am

re: #69 Sharmuta

No- some guy said he couldn't get the ccc site at work, but could access the noi site.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

F'in unbelievable.

89 AemJeff  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:18:30am

Whatever disagreements I might have with Charles (and I've certainly said unkind things on occasion), the work done here in opposition to extremists and in favor of reason is more than enough to keep bringing me back.

90 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:18:35am

re: #72 subsailor68

No, the whole world is going mad. Lots of folks on an earlier thread commenting on the union/GM issues and the concern that union recalcitrance could sink GM.

And I think you're absolutely right that Mini is selling fewer cars.

Car sales worldwide are down. I work at a company that supports the auto industry, among others; we just suffered a round of layoffs because the automobile industry, both at home and abroad, has taken a massive downturn, and there is no foreseeable end to the madness. There's some bad crazy floating around out there in industrial America, for sure.

91 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:18:41am

re: #74 rightwinger3

Oh I think people want to buy them but have you seen the price? For the car you get it's ridiculous.

It's a crack at all the government officials who were syaing that to the Detroit 3 late last year. Turns out almost no one (including Honda and Toyota) is making the cars people want to buy.

It's not the cars, people, it's the economy. It sucks all over.

92 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:18:42am

re: #84 MandyManners

Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server.

AOL will not let me view Stormfront.

93 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:18:44am

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

It's nice to see that we have others on our side here.

Welcome to the hatchlings.
Unwelcome to the trolls, mobys, and reruns.

NOT TRUE!

We welcome the TROLLS too! How else are we supposed to get in our target practice?

94 SouthernGirl  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:18:46am

I don't have anything to say at the moment except that I'm so excited I finally got to register! Great site! --SG

95 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:19:15am

I'm surprised we didn't see any more overnight meltdowns.

96 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:19:17am

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Another good one from Instapundit....
Why Not Bring a Neanderthal to Life?

Only if they can abort it.

/channeling planned parenthood...

97 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:19:35am

re: #86 yma o hyd

Just read the stuff you quoted in that post - that is shockingly vile, nay, its utterly sick.
I cannot believe how ingrained Jew Hate is, again, after just over 60 years.

My friend, it never left. That kind of bigotry is centuries old and will not be easily exorcised.

98 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:19:36am

re: #94 SouthernGirl

Welcome to LGF. What first attracted you to this site?

99 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:19:42am

re: #94 SouthernGirl

Welcome.

100 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:19:48am

re: #86 yma o hyd

Just read the stuff you quoted in that post - that is shockingly vile, nay, its utterly sick.
I cannot believe how ingrained Jew Hate is, again, after just over 60 years.

It never went anywhere, it was just laying low for a while. And apparently Obama is gonna dignify it by participating in Durban 2?

101 Desert Dog  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:04am

The loonies on the right are brought out and displayed as "proof" of the "inherent racism, sexism, meaness, etc, etc". But, on the left....the loonies are CELEBRATED!

Either way, Ann Coulter is not helping her cause much.

102 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:10am

re: #11 Desert Dog

Ann is ok sometimes, but grating, outrageous and downright stupid sometimes. She has a wit that can backfire.

Witty in the sense of getting off verbal fireworks, OK.

Witless in her politics, policies and people she likes.

103 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:15am

re: #78 MandyManners

Seriously, I'm gonna' check out Stormfront. bbiab

How can anyone go there and not think it a white supremacist site? Blatant racism.

104 rightwinger3  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:15am

re: #91 Honorary Yooper

Roger that.

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:15am

re: #94 SouthernGirl

How're y'all?

106 RebelDebater  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:25am

Finally Registration opened! I've been waiting weeks to be able to join the great lizardoid army!

Now on topic...I used to be a huge fan of Ann Coulter until she really went off the deep-end with her Anti-Semitic bullshit just plain bad mouthing people rather than using logical argumentation.

107 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:31am

re: #89 AemJeff

I'll help ya to try to get out of the karma 'negatives'...

108 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:31am

re: #89 AemJeff

Whatever disagreements I might have with Charles (and I've certainly said unkind things on occasion), the work done here in opposition to extremists and in favor of reason is more than enough to keep bringing me back.

You really need to work on your karma.

109 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:50am

re: #85 Alouette

Oh noes! Make sure you suit up in Level 4 Hazmat kit.

You need Level A gear to wade through that place.

110 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:53am

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Another good one from Instapundit....
Why Not Bring a Neanderthal to Life?

I thought they had. Wasn't one the recently impeached Illinois governor?

111 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:57am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Here's another parenting book (via Instapundit) that might interest you....
No Fear(Growing up in a risk averse society)


The best part is that it's a free PDF download. Might be worth checking out.

Thanks!

112 Big Steve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:20:58am

re: #1 Shug

I hope Ann registers to explain herself

I consider Ann a comediene and not a political observer. Most of the time she isn't all that funny either.

113 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:21:07am

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Another good one from Instapundit....
Why Not Bring a Neanderthal to Life?

Isn't Stormfront big enough already?
/

114 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:21:22am

re: #94 SouthernGirl

WELCOME!

115 x-wing  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:21:30am

re: #94 SouthernGirl

Welcome aboard. Make sure to hang around till the drinking thread. You're in charge of the first round.

116 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:21:33am

re: #110 calcajun

I think Blago's hair was genetically modified.

117 razorbacker  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:21:43am

re: #90 thedopefishlives

Car sales worldwide are down. I work at a company that supports the auto industry, among others; we just suffered a round of layoffs because the automobile industry, both at home and abroad, has taken a massive downturn, and there is no foreseeable end to the madness. There's some bad crazy floating around out there in industrial America, for sure.

How's this for unintended consequences? It seems that there is now a shortage of certain cancer-fighting drugs. Seems a vital component of manufacture is also a byproduct of the auto industry. Fewer cars made, less byproducts produced, less cancer-fighting drugs.

I'll look back and see about a link.

Wheels within wheels.

118 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:21:49am

re: #30 Sharmuta

BTW- stormfront is coming to Ann's defense. Nice friends you have, Coulter.

Hey, she's white, blond and struts like a Nazi in heat. What's not to support?

119 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:21:49am

re: #90 thedopefishlives

Car sales worldwide are down. I work at a company that supports the auto industry, among others; we just suffered a round of layoffs because the automobile industry, both at home and abroad, has taken a massive downturn, and there is no foreseeable end to the madness. There's some bad crazy floating around out there in industrial America, for sure.

Man, I sure hope things turn around for you soon, but I hear where you're coming from. I have a three year old CTS, and there are a lot of them out there. If folks in your industry (assuming parts production or other support is in your area of expertise) aren't there to support our products, we're all screwed.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

120 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:22:14am

re: #94 SouthernGirl

I don't have anything to say at the moment except that I'm so excited I finally got to register! Great site! --SG

Welcome!

121 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:22:39am

re: #116 Killgore Trout

I think Blago's hair was genetically modified.

From what? Cripes--it looked like a badger crawled on his head and died.

122 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:22:56am

re: #118 Cato the Elder

struts like a Nazi in heat

LOL!

123 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:23:10am

re: #115 x-wing

Welcome aboard. Make sure to hang around till the drinking thread. You're in charge of the first round.

Which will be served in 5 minutes.

124 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:23:27am

re: #106 RebelDebater

Finally Registration opened! I've been waiting weeks to be able to join the great lizardoid army!

Now on topic...I used to be a huge fan of Ann Coulter until she really went off the deep-end with her Anti-Semitic bullshit just plain bad mouthing people rather than using logical argumentation.

'"Weeks?" Luxury...in my day I waited 9 months. Even then got a good lashing for it.'

/channeling Monty Python...

Welcome to the club hatchlings!

125 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:23:28am

re: #94 SouthernGirl

re: #106 RebelDebater

Welcome. I hope your stay here is long and insightful.

126 Big Steve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:23:42am

re: #117 razorbacker

How's this for unintended consequences? It seems that there is now a shortage of certain cancer-fighting drugs. Seems a vital component of manufacture is also a byproduct of the auto industry. Fewer cars made, less byproducts produced, less cancer-fighting drugs.

I'll look back and see about a link.

Wheels within wheels.

do you have a link.....being a chemical engineer I am always dubious of these things until I can see the name of the actual chemical they are talking about.

127 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:23:52am

re: #116 Killgore Trout

I think Blago's hair was genetically modified.

Blago's hair is proof of irreducible complexity

128 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:24:14am

re: #97 calcajun

My friend, it never left. That kind of bigotry is centuries old and will not be easily exorcised.

Its been well hidden, and the majority of people did turn their back on Jew Hate.
But see this: The writing is on the synagogue wall - more and more are coming out of hiding again.

129 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:24:16am

re: #118 Cato the Elder

Hey, she's white, blond and struts like a Nazi in heat. What's not to support?

You forgot that she carries that whole jodhpurs and leather boots look pretty well.

130 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:24:40am

re: #123 calcajun

Which will be served in 5 minutes.

Shit, it's already after 12:00PM here on the east coast?

131 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:24:46am

re: #129 calcajun

You forgot that she carries that whole jodhpurs and leather boots look pretty well.

All she needs then is a whip.

132 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:24:47am

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Blago's hair is proof of irreducible complexity

Design maybe. Intelligent--hell no.

133 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:25:18am

re: #121 calcajun

From what? Cripes--it looked like a badger crawled on his head and died.

I had to.

134 Yashmak  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:25:26am

Welcome to the board, new members.

To Mandy,
The only time I ever looked at Stormfront, is when I needed some neo-nazi imagery for a report I was doing in college on the White Power movement. They may have updated since then, but at the time, there sheer volume and variety of swastikas on the front page made it pretty darn clear what they were about.

135 vxbush  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:25:28am

re: #132 calcajun

Design maybe. Intelligent--hell no.

Why do I have this sudden image of Blago's hair cornrowed?

136 claspur  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:25:29am

OT: I'm in a settled-down mode now...
Don't care about the topic-here of Ann much. Have already studied her enough, without shareing my opinion of her.

Have noticed how we conservatives, are in a bit of a spastic-mode now...

I'm just going to do my reloading, and watching the show. :o)

Thanx for letting me sign-in, Chas.... ;o)

137 Desert Dog  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:25:42am

re: #106 RebelDebater

Finally Registration opened! I've been waiting weeks to be able to join the great lizardoid army!

Now on topic...I used to be a huge fan of Ann Coulter until she really went off the deep-end with her Anti-Semitic bullshit just plain bad mouthing people rather than using logical argumentation.

Welcome Rebel!

138 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:25:56am

What I really like about these emails is it confirms to me that the middle has been so marginalized that they've left our tent. A few simple things like principles, integrity, and rationality and they're willing to come back.

I hope some higher-ups in the party are watching!

139 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:26:07am

re: #94 SouthernGirl

Welcome, it's good to make new friends.

140 RebelDebater  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:26:24am

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Blago's hair is proof of irreducible complexity

My hair is better than Blago's. Just a plain simple fact that mine has that gorgeous volume and golden sheen. Just saying...

141 x-wing  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:26:30am

re: #123 calcajun

Which will be served in 5 minutes.


But , I've got to go work soon.

/crap, make mine non-alcoholic.

142 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:26:30am

re: #134 Yashmak

Welcome to the board, new members.

To Mandy,
The only time I ever looked at Stormfront, is when I needed some neo-nazi imagery for a report I was doing in college on the White Power movement. They may have updated since then, but at the time, there sheer volume and variety of swastikas on the front page made it pretty darn clear what they were about.

I've been there before out of morbid curiousity but, my ISP won't let me see it now. That kinda' pisses me off.

143 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:26:37am

re: #119 subsailor68

Man, I sure hope things turn around for you soon, but I hear where you're coming from. I have a three year old CTS, and there are a lot of them out there. If folks in your industry (assuming parts production or other support is in your area of expertise) aren't there to support our products, we're all screwed.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

Well, we serve a lot of different markets - our area of expertise is what you'd call "quality assurance" in the industrial world. We design, manufacture, and program test equipment for a wide variety of applications, from materials to automotive to aerospace. The fact is, though, that automotive was BOOMING just a few years ago, and orders in the automotive and heavy industrial (think Caterpillar) sectors were off the charts. But with their sales plummeting, they're cutting capital investments and infrastructure developments, which means canceled orders, which means... Well, any capitalist infidel knows where that's going.

144 Abu Boo Boo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:26:38am

I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but some of these racist groups pose as moderates at first. Their strategy is lead people to their agenda in stages.

If Coulter plans to distance herself, the longer she takes the worse it will be.

145 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:26:39am

re: #100 Nevergiveup

It never went anywhere, it was just laying low for a while. And apparently Obama is gonna dignify it by participating in Durban 2?

Yeah - and can someone explain why being anti-Islamists is = racism, but Jew Hate is not?

I'd relish seeing the mental gymnastics required ...

146 razorbacker  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:27:09am

re: #117 razorbacker

Might have known.

Pharma supply chain in trouble

There is a worldwide shortage of acetonitrile, a critical chemical ingredient used in the purification of pharmaceutical compounds. Acetonitrile is a by-product of the automotive industry and is in short supply due to the worldwide slowdown in that industry, which, in turn, has caused chemical production facilities to close.

Another drug in critical short supply is leucovorin, a generic used in the treatment of colon cancer. Its shortage, too, is due to “manufacturing” delays, according to the suppliers.

147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:27:13am

re: #133 MandyManners

I had to.

Badgers or badges?

148 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:27:26am

WELCOME to all the hatchlings!

149 ladycatnip  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:27:28am

#19 calcajun

Well, if we are known by the company we keep, then we conservatives do have a problem.

If the fringe elements are more and more identified as being part of the conservative "mainstream" --and it's happening as the left controls the images put out in the MSM--then we have to reject, as strongly as possible those elements. We cannot for the sake of expediency embrace groups who promote views which are anathema to the central philosophy of this country. What good id it if we win the election and lose our soul in the process.

You are absolutely right. It's easy to see what's happening inside the liberals' tent - alliances with wacked-out anti-war, socialist/fascist/communist/marxist ideologues that have infiltrated the democratic party - but not see the exact same thing is happening inside the republican tent.

Conservatives need to push away from the slightest hint of the wacko right element - and that especially includes the white supremacists - or it will signal the end of the republican party. We can't afford to embrace worldviews that are destructive, evil, racist, or ultra-religious in any way. When the Huckabee's of politics insist on Christianizing the Constitution, then what's to stop the muslim politicians insistance on islamizing it?

We do walk a fine line.

150 Sifty  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:28:17am

Speaking of Stormfronts, I think Burbank is going to wash away.

Anyone seen Noah paddling around?

151 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:28:37am

re: #30 Sharmuta

BTW- stormfront is coming to Ann's defense. Nice friends you have, Coulter.

Not everyone over there digs her, though:

I personally loathe the Republican writer/pundit Ann Coulter. She may be a conservative republican, but she is no friend of Stormfront or white nationalism. Her views are as dangerous to the white race as those of the ultra liberals. She has dated several East Indian men and several black men. I have heard of white men lusting after Coulter as 'being hot'. For their information all is not right about Ms. Ann Coulter. According to credible sources, she suffers from partial androgen insensitivity syndrome. She is genetically male xy and anatomically 'ambiguous'. So these men might as well lust after Arnold S of Conan fame since both he and Coulter are dudes. LOL. She is oddly silent about her intersexed condition.

Whew! Feel the hate!

152 Milk in a Box  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:28:40am

Woohoo! Finally. I've lurked this site for so long it's ridiculous; I just could never time it right for registration.

Now instead of lurking I will creep, because that's what lizards do.

153 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:28:45am

re: #136 claspur

OT: I'm in a settled-down mode now...
Don't care about the topic-here of Ann much. Have already studied her enough, without shareing my opinion of her.

Have noticed how we conservatives, are in a bit of a spastic-mode now...

I'm just going to do my reloading, and watching the show. :o)

Thanx for letting me sign-in, Chas.... ;o)

First WTF is Chas? And second share what you think of her? All you do is dump on Lizards here and have nothing to add.

154 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:29:01am

re: #133 MandyManners

You forgot the sequel:

[Link: www.weebls-stuff.com...]

155 pertho711ljp  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:29:27am

Well this is the first time I've posted on LGF, having been on the Protest Warrior and Afcore forums.

Anyways what really disgusts me is how Ann Coulter's dittoheads seem to think her views on CCC are highly 'rational' -- and we're being 'stupid' because we're not catching on to what they think Coulter is on about. Frankly I think racism is racism, and just comparing black racism to your own brand of racism -- saying "look here! Are we as bad?" -- still does not make you look any cleaner. You don't need a high-falluting degree at Yale to know that Coulter is just plain wrong here...

156 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:29:30am

re: #153 Erik The Red

First WTF is Chas? And second share what you think of her? All you do is dump on Lizards here and have nothing to add.

Chas == shorthand for Charles. Not used much these days.

157 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:29:46am

re: #151 Cato the Elder

Wow! Nasty.

158 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:30:10am

re: #29 subsailor68

OT

Okay, ya don't even really need to click the link, but I absolutely love this headline:

Angry Mini workers hurl fruit at union leaders after job cuts

I clicked it because I wanted to read a story about really little people throwing fruit at union a-holes.

Turns out they work in the Mini body panel plant at BMW.

Oh well.

Teeny tiny bananas being thrown at union goons.

159 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:30:23am
160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:30:45am

re: #152 Milk in a Box

Watch out for this guy. He's creepy.

161 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:30:51am

The Positive Feelings and Encouragement of those two emails, have made MY day. I know they put icing in your coffee this morning Charles.
Keep up the great work! Let's clean up and take back our conservative party!

162 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:30:52am

re: #143 thedopefishlives

orders in the automotive and heavy industrial (think Caterpillar) sectors were off the charts.

On that note, did you catch the 60 Minutes piece on "Buy American" last night? The domestic steel guy was all for forcing stimulus infrastructure projects to use only American produced steel.

The Caterpillar guy, on the other hand, made a terrific point. Caterpillar uses (IIRC) 70% domestic steel in their equipment. But they sell all over the world.

What good would it do Caterpillar to support a Buy American program that resulted in a global trade war that tanked their sales.

Besides, we already tried Smoot-Hawley and it didn't work.

163 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:30:57am

re: #151 Cato the Elder

Whew! Feel the hate!

Rowr. White cat fight.

164 razorbacker  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:31:07am

re: #156 thedopefishlives

Chas == shorthand for Charles. Not used much these days.

Or, in southern climes, "Choss".

165 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:31:26am

re: #153 Erik The Red

When has that one ever had anything worth contributing?

166 Sifty  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:31:41am

re: #151 Cato the Elder

I find their lack of sense disturbing.

Why do idiots always start bashing a woman's looks and sexuality when they get mad?

Can't a woman just be stupid and full of shit, like us men?

167 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:31:51am

re: #158 debutaunt

Teeny tiny bananas being thrown at union goons.

LOL! See? Told ya you didn't even need to click the link!

:-)

168 SurferDoc  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:31:56am

re: #121 calcajun

From what? Cripes--it looked like a badger crawled on his head and died.

Badgers? We don't need no steenkin' badgers!

169 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:31:58am

re: #144 Abu Boo Boo

I don't know if anyone has brought this up, but some of these racist groups pose as moderates at first. Their strategy is lead people to their agenda in stages.

If Coulter plans to distance herself, the longer she takes the worse it will be.

The CCC has never even bothered to pose as anything other than what they are. Racist hatred is all over their front page, starting with the ad for "white pride" t-shirts sold by the neo-Nazis at Stormfront.

170 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:32:15am

re: #159 Millie Woods

Heh. You are the only nutbar he should address?

171 RebelDebater  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:32:37am

re: #149 ladycatnip

#19 calcajun

Conservatives need to push away from the slightest hint of the wacko right element - and that especially includes the white supremacists - or it will signal the end of the republican party. We can't afford to embrace worldviews that are destructive, evil, racist, or ultra-religious in any way. When the Huckabee's of politics insist on Christianizing the Constitution, then what's to stop the muslim politicians insistance on islamizing it?

We do walk a fine line.


Right you are sir. The religious right could easily toe its way into being analogous with "christofascism" Much like the radicals in the Arab world demand a strict code of morals, the religious right continues to demand limits on freedoms based solely on morals derived from scripture...a dangerous precedent indeed.

172 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:32:38am

re: #165 Sharmuta

When has that one ever had anything worth contributing?

These threads would be five posts long if Charles edited for "worthwhile" conten...[Deleted]

173 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:32:39am

re: #159 Millie Woods

Please get your own blog so we can come over and tell you what topics you should be devoting your time to.

174 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:33:13am

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm just tired of all these Open Registration threads. What is Charles obsession with open registrations? Is this becoming some open registration bashing blog?

////

hahahahahahhahahahahahaaaa

175 JonQuixote  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:33:41am

Kudos, Charles, for exposing this - and for standing up to those who try to equivocate for Coulter.

In March 2007, I ran into a similar situation regarding a blog article I wrote re her awful appearance at CPAC:
[Link: jonquixoteworld.blogspot.com...]

I pointed out the wrongness of her statements, and called out CPAC for giving her the platform, and the attendees who applauded her calling John Edwards "a faggot." And I bashed her for giving the rabid left an easy-out for their never calling out their own (far more numerous) walking liabilities, because no matter what Olbermann, Moore, Sheehan, et al say, they can always point to Coulter and say, "See?"

Although I got some supportive email, much of it was from Coulter's supporters... and it was almost as ugly as the things I've observed in the disease-ridden sewers of the left (eg HuffPost, back when I got into my digital hazmat suit, to do battle there).

So long as CPAC and others provide anyone such as Coulter with an "official" platform from which to spew her vile rhetoric (sadly, often wrapped up in very valid, smartly-worded attacks on the left), the legions of non-leftists in America will have this albatross around our necks.

Kudos, Charles... keep it coming.

176 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:33:42am

re: #162 subsailor68

orders in the automotive and heavy industrial (think Caterpillar) sectors were off the charts.

On that note, did you catch the 60 Minutes piece on "Buy American" last night? The domestic steel guy was all for forcing stimulus infrastructure projects to use only American produced steel.

The Caterpillar guy, on the other hand, made a terrific point. Caterpillar uses (IIRC) 70% domestic steel in their equipment. But they sell all over the world.

What good would it do Caterpillar to support a Buy American program that resulted in a global trade war that tanked their sales.

Besides, we already tried Smoot-Hawley and it didn't work.

Funny thing is, I kinda see both sides of the issue on this one - not that I _agree_ with both sides, but I used to live in a steel-mill town back when the "American steel crisis" was going on. It was big news in my neck of the woods, and a lot of jobs were on the line, so I understand why it's preferable to buy American. But on the other hand, union overhead costs are so prohibitive that many companies literally can't cut costs enough to keep up with world markets. I'm all for unions as a defense against aggressive management, but to repeat myself, there's a lot of bad crazy in industrial America these days.

177 Unakite  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:33:56am

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Blago's hair is proof of irreducible complexity

Unreproducible complexity, if we're lcuky.

178 razorbacker  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:34:56am

Break's over. Back on my head.

179 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:35:04am

re: #159 Millie Woods

Get your own blog.

180 jorline  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:35:05am

re: #136 claspur

OT: I'm in a settled-down mode now...
Don't care about the topic-here of Ann much. Have already studied her enough, without shareing my opinion of her.

Have noticed how we conservatives, are in a bit of a spastic-mode now...

I'm just going to do my reloading, and watching the show. :o)

Thanx for letting me sign-in, Chas.... ;o)

claspur, be careful when mixing the green pills with the blue ones.

181 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:35:38am

re: #159 Millie Woods

Unwritten rule number one: Don't tell the host what to post.

182 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:35:43am
183 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:35:47am

re: #159 Millie Woods

Don't look behind that curtain....

184 Sifty  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:36:04am

re: #159 Millie Woods

Thank you very much for acting as our mentor-friend-pastor-priest-mother-father-figure and graciously guiding us away from topics that you do not wish us to devote our time on.

Could you please come over and help me pick out what shoes to wear?

/

185 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:36:18am

re: #176 thedopefishlives

I'm all for unions as a defense against aggressive management, but to repeat myself, there's a lot of bad crazy in industrial America these days.

You and I are on the same page there!

:-)

186 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:36:58am

re: #184 Sifty

Thank you very much for acting as our mentor-friend-pastor-priest-mother-father-figure and graciously guiding us away from topics that you do not wish us to devote our time on.

Could you please come over and help me pick out what shoes to wear?

/

Go with the cordovan loafers.

187 Gella  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:37:19am

White Supremacist, Satanist, admits to biting young boy...
[Link: www.thestarpress.com...]
"great" example

188 Sifty  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:38:01am

re: #186 MandyManners

When I walk fast in my cordovan pants they heat up and burn my legs.

/

189 Adrenalyn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:38:05am

in other news
today is "Presidents Day"
to honor Washington, and Lincoln

Kirkwood Ski Resort has decided it is 0bama day
with 44$ tickets in honor of the only president they recognize
(the 44th)
after kicking Washington and Lincoln to the curb

190 astronmr20  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:38:06am

re: #142 MandyManners

I've been there before out of morbid curiousity but, my ISP won't let me see it now. That kinda' pisses me off.

Are you at home?

Just open I.E.

191 Gella  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:38:08am

re: #184 Sifty

Thank you very much for acting as our mentor-friend-pastor-priest-mother-father-figure and graciously guiding us away from topics that you do not wish us to devote our time on.

Could you please come over and help me pick out what shoes to wear?

/

just remember color of ur shoes doesnt have to match color of ur outfit
\\\\\\\

192 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:38:19am

re: #186 MandyManners

Go with the cordovan loafers.

To paraphrase:

"Sometimes I feel like the whole world is a blue suit and I'm a pair of brown shoes." George Gobel

:-)

193 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:38:26am

re: #159 Millie Woods

Charles has repeated, and courteously, by the way, told people not to complain about the propriety of ID threads here. It is a simple thing to ignore those threads. It is even simpler to avoid mischaracterizing those threads as attacks on religious beliefs.

At best, your complaint will be deleted, at worst, you have chosen to end your lizard-dom.

194 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:38:43am

re: #94 SouthernGirl

I don't have anything to say at the moment except that I'm so excited I finally got to register! Great site! --SG

What a lovely accent.

195 jimmyhaha  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:39:19am

I just wanted to add my support on standing tall in situations like this. I don't always agree with you, but the Republican party needs people who'll make this kind of stand, especially now. There's going to be a struggle for the soul of the party in the next several years, and what's going to bring it back into prominence is not the so-called "pragmatists", who'll reach out to the nuts for the needs of the moment. It will take people taking principled stands, even when it means pissing people off.

Ann needs to get the boot from CPAC if they want to be part of the future of the party. If we're to be taken seriously when we attacked Obama for associating with hatemongers, we can't do it ourselves. This isn't about the Democrats, the MSM, or anything else. This is about whether or not we've got the guts to clean house in our own party.

196 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:39:56am

re: #188 Sifty

When I walk fast in my cordovan pants they heat up and burn my legs.

You mean corduroy, right?

Or are you into leather...?

197 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:40:00am
198 wiffersnapper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:40:21am

First I've seen the door open since I joined last year!

199 wiffersnapper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:40:35am

It'll change soon enough though ;)

200 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:40:35am

re: #195 jimmyhaha

Welcome to LGF- clever nic. I like it.

201 Sifty  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:40:43am

re: #195 jimmyhaha

She doesn't have John Edwards to kick around this year and needs some mic/camera time.

202 Sifty  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:42:32am

re: #196 Cato the Elder

I do indeed mean corduroy. I do that lame joke to my lovely bride all the time. habit.

The only leather I'm into is my SCA-regulation rattan beat-down armor.

...and a couple of Ren Faire doublets.

203 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:42:34am

re: #151 Cato the Elder

Whew! Feel the hate!

How would they know all that?

EWWWWW!

I suppose I'm a race traitor too, I've dated several girls not of my particular melanin concentration.

204 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:43:04am
205 Sifty  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:43:09am

re: #203 jcm

Self-deleted obligatory interior color reference.

206 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:44:05am

re: #86 yma o hyd

Just read the stuff you quoted in that post - that is shockingly vile, nay, its utterly sick.
I cannot believe how ingrained Jew Hate is, again, after just over 60 4,000 years.

FTFY.

207 cronus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:44:17am

It's great to be finally able to comment on LGF. There are many more of us out there that have gravitated to this site because objective truth and intellectual honesty actually seem to matter here.

208 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:44:58am

re: #207 cronus

It's great to be finally able to comment on LGF. There are many more of us out there that have gravitated to this site because objective truth and intellectual honesty actually seem to matter here.

Then we're happy to welcome you to LGF!

209 Sifty  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:45:10am

re: #207 cronus

We're fun at parties too.

210 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:46:30am

re: #159 Millie Woods

Your new blog - littlegreenmillies ?

211 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:47:24am

re: #207 cronus

It's great to be finally able to comment on LGF. There are many more of us out there that have gravitated to this site because objective truth and intellectual honesty actually seem to matter here.

Welcome to LGF.. Look forward to talking to you in the future

212 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:47:30am

re: #207 cronus

It's great to be finally able to comment on LGF. There are many more of us out there that have gravitated to this site because objective truth and intellectual honesty actually seem to matter here.

Though we can all stand alone...sometimes it's nice to have others.

Welcome to LGF.

213 Wandidar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:48:36am

Finally. I have been reading this site since the fake photos of the Israel-Hezbollah fighting in 06. First time I have been able to make it on while the door was open and register. Turns out college students have weird schedules that don't overlap much with normal society.

214 songbird  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:49:28am

re: #45 razorbacker

It occurs to me that I may not actually be a conservative. I mean, fiscally I am, but socially I seem to have quite enough trouble running my own life, thank you very much. You'll have to run your life pretty much without me.

Unless you define conservative as the preference for looking to past events to provide hints on present behavior, as opposed to jumping in with what ever the untested, untried, flavor-of-the-moment may be.

I've always believed that conservatism involved letting people live with the consequences of their actions, and that greater personal responsibility led to a stronger nation. None of this Nanny Nation that the Obamatrons seem to favor.

215 Pabloanno  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:51:06am

Hello All, Glad to be here finally. great site! I look forward to learning and contributing.

Pablo

216 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:51:23am

re: #213 Wandidar

Welcome. Now that you are here you will see that some of us don't keep "normal" schedules either... just look at any overnight open thread for examples...

217 ladycatnip  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:51:30am

#171 RebelDebater

re: #149 ladycatnip

#19 calcajun

Conservatives need to push away from the slightest hint of the wacko right element - and that especially includes the white supremacists - or it will signal the end of the republican party. We can't afford to embrace worldviews that are destructive, evil, racist, or ultra-religious in any way. When the Huckabee's of politics insist on Christianizing the Constitution, then what's to stop the muslim politicians insistance on islamizing it?

We do walk a fine line.


Right you are sir. The religious right could easily toe its way into being analogous with "christofascism" Much like the radicals in the Arab world demand a strict code of morals, the religious right continues to demand limits on freedoms based solely on morals derived from scripture...a dangerous precedent indeed.

Absolutely on the same page with you - it is extremely dangerous.

I'm a she, btw.

;-)

218 songbird  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:52:22am

re: #215 Pabloanno

Hello All, Glad to be here finally. great site! I look forward to learning and contributing.

Pablo

Welcome to the Lizard realm!

219 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:52:32am

re: #217 ladycatnip

I'm a she, btw.

Really? That "lady" in you're nic was confusing me. ;p

220 Irenike  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:52:34am

Hey Charles, I just want to say that I agree with you 100% on smoking out the bigots in the conservative closet. It's bad enough that those of us who support free market policies, private charity, and an end to affirmative action are accused of "not caring" about minorities. The reality is, a lot of us really strive to live Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream of an America where people are judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin. "American" is not a race. It's not about where you were born. It's about whether you see yourself as living by American ideals, and whether you strive to live by the Founder's principles to make this country a better place, and not try to turn it into another socialist mediocrity.

When the bigoted nutbags get any kind of airtime on conservative sites, it just gives the other side more ammunition with which to attack us. I have always loathed people like Pat Buchanan, and I don't understand why he is even given the time of day by conservatives. Too bad Ann Coulter seems to be putting herself in the same camp as Pat B.

221 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:52:51am

re: #219 Sharmuta

Err- you're = your

222 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:53:01am

re: #215 Pabloanno

Hello All, Glad to be here finally. great site! I look forward to learning and contributing.

Pablo

Welcome Pablo...Hope you enjoy your stay here

223 jorline  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:53:24am

This supports my belief in little green lizard like thangs.

Galaxy has 'billions of Earths'

I sawd them when I came out the back of my double-wide. Thew was playin football.

224 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:53:52am

I'm wearing my green hobnailed boots today

225 cronus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:54:25am

re: #159 Millie Woods

I for one am here partly BECAUSE of the lampooning of ID and young earth creationism. If you don't defend objective scientific truth how in the world are you supposed to defend young people from goofy deconstructionist philosophy that holds that there is no objective reality period?

226 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:55:12am

re: #224 albusteve

I'm wearing my green hobnailed boots today

With bright yellow racing flames painted on the side?

227 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:55:13am

re: #225 cronus

You are now my favorite Newbie!

228 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:56:05am

re: #225 cronus

I for one am here partly BECAUSE of the lampooning of ID and young earth creationism. If you don't defend objective scientific truth how in the world are you supposed to defend young people from goofy deconstructionist philosophy that holds that there is no objective reality period?

You will fit in here just fine. Welcome to the Lizard Family/Pod/Nest

229 songbird  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:56:54am

re: #226 HoosierHoops

Greetings! Hope you are well!

230 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:56:55am

re: #227 Sharmuta

You are now my favorite Newbie!

Awww, I thought I was.......
:-(
//

231 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:57:17am

85 hatchlings so far. Two sock puppets caught.

232 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:57:31am

I have found a Newbie to whom I am willing to give a drink instead of asking them to get me on. cronus- have a drink on me!

233 RebelDebater  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:57:50am

re: #224 albusteve

I'm wearing my green hobnailed boots today

There's a lizard on my windowpane...

234 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:57:58am

re: #225 cronus

I for one am here partly BECAUSE of the lampooning of ID and young earth creationism. If you don't defend objective scientific truth how in the world are you supposed to defend young people from goofy deconstructionist philosophy that holds that there is no objective reality period?

We look forward to your smack downs on the ID threads.

235 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:58:09am

re: #231 Charles

85 hatchlings so far. Two sock puppets caught.

Any haters? Also, at the risk of sounding like I'm advising the host, don't forget that we occasionally like to have trolls to feed on. *evil grin* And my Mt. Dew is running low.

236 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:58:13am

re: #230 jcm

You are my favorite Turtleist! Well- you and Syrah.

237 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:59:04am

re: #226 HoosierHoops

With bright yellow racing flames painted on the side?

and chrome steel plates on the toes....bad assssss

238 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:59:24am

re: #229 songbird

Greetings! Hope you are well!

Doing great Songbird..Still packing? Ya want me to send a couple of my boys over to finish the job? We'll make em do it for free..

239 JHW  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:59:45am

re: #236 Sharmuta

You are my favorite Turtleist! Well- you and Syrah.

How about favorite Western Washingtonians of the non-moonbat species?

240 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:00:09am

re: #233 RebelDebater

There's a lizard on my windowpane...

I know...I read the news today o'boy

241 cronus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:01:10am

re: #232 Sharmuta

Thanks Sharmuta. I'll see if I can slip out on my lunch break.

242 songbird  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:01:31am

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Doing great Songbird..Still packing? Ya want me to send a couple of my boys over to finish the job? We'll make em do it for free..

Send 'em over! I'll start them on the cleaning and yard work while I sort 7 years of stuff I'm surprised I saved!

243 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:02:05am

re: #241 cronus

Hey, Newbie- you earned it with two great posts. So glad to have people like you get in the door.

244 RebelDebater  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:03:47am

re: #240 albusteve

I know...I read the news today o'boy

the news was rather sad...but I just had to laugh...(It was an article about Obama changing the world of course...)

245 Shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:04:44am

I like Ann Coulter. This however is unacceptable. She f@@@d up saying these idiots were okay. She should do the right thing, the adult thing, say she made a huge mistake supporting these idiots. Or she should continue to say she supports them if she does. But she should quit attempting to paint them as something they are obviously not.

246 2by2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:04:58am

Happy Presidents Day, to All.
Late to the hatchling party. Any Trolls for dinner yet?

247 dsun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:04:59am

hi everyone,
been reading this for a long time.

happy to get in although it was almost not to be, one of my mail account gets LGF filtered as spam but the web page (with the filter setup) is down so can't fix, hopefully as a cautious user i do have a second one :)

248 eorep  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:05:16am

I'm sorry they are using the CCC initials as it means Civilian Conservation Corps to me. A lot of our greatest treasures were built by them--the mule trail to the bottom of the Grand Canyon, for one. It was a huge accomplishment, done essentially by hand and dynamite!

249 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:05:44am

re: #243 Sharmuta

Hey, Newbie- you earned it with two great posts. So glad to have people like you get in the door.

A newbie that likes Science.Ok I'll share 1 or 2 glasses of Napa Valley BV Merlot with him..
You are always welcome Sharm to the BV.

250 SouthernGirl  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:07:17am

re: #194 debutaunt


...why...thank you.

251 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:07:58am
252 Sully33  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:08:46am

That reminds me, is there a "Throw Feces" application on facebook yet?

253 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:10:01am

re: #251 Merry Maven

*dingdingdingdingding*

We have a winner. Stinky and the Banhammer will be along shortly.

254 CEQAttorney  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:10:54am

Well, the first title on the website kinda says it all.

Does the glorification of black culture influence young whites to commit more crime?

Black culture causes white crime? What is black culture?

255 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:11:41am

It seems unlikely, but Coulter could just have made a mistake. She really should explain herself.

I don't care if they vote Republican, white supremacists and racists of all stripes are not conservatives. Government meddling in the lives of individuals is not a conservative principle.

256 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:12:36am

re: #251 Merry Maven

I would like to respond to you, but I'm waiting for LGF High Command to tell me what to say. Please stand by......

257 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:12:36am

Karma: -6

Merry Maven

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 16, 2004 at 2:21 am
No. of comments posted: 10
No. of links posted: 0

Where the FUCK did you come from? Crawl back under the rock you have been hiding under for the last 5 years.

258 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:12:52am

re: #251 Merry Maven

First, read the book. You only have to read three pages, a little less. Coulter's point is, why did the media jump all over Trent Lott and Bob Barr for speaking to this Council of Conservative Citizens, and not say a single word about Obama's disgraceful 20-year with his racist church in Chicago.

uh hello? Charles posted from the book last night. Go back and look.
We know what is in it.

259 2by2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:13:12am

re: #253 thedopefishlives

*dingdingdingdingding*

We have a winner. Stinky and the Banhammer will be along shortly.

you called it

260 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:13:53am

re: #251 Merry Maven

Your a moron BTW..
Although when Charles told me to jump I hit my head on the ceiling...I'm going to engage lawhawk to fill a lawsuit on Charles..Cause when he told me to jump he forgot to say how high...

261 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:14:20am

re: #255 NukeAtomrod

It seems unlikely, but Coulter could just have made a mistake. She really should explain herself.

This is what she wrote, and it is absolutely not a mistake:

...there is little on the CCC website suggesting that the group is a “thinly veiled white supremacist” organization...

Unless you believe Coulter is stupid (I don't), there is no way you could look at their website and make such a claim.

262 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:14:42am

Merry Maven sounded like a Kos Kid.
No One has control over our minds! or our keyboards!
Amen.

263 Gorilla Grodd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:14:47am

I'm glad I finally was able to register! It's so refreshing to read a conservative blog that takes a rational approach to science.

264 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:14:57am

re: #255 NukeAtomrod

Here's the thing: Ann Coulter has always been prone to using severe hyperbole and sarcasm in her writing, to the point where I can't even TELL if she's being serious, or if she's making some kind of point by going off the deep end in the opposite direction. The problem I have with her technique is that it leaves her open to exactly these sorts of criticisms, which she may not have intended, but she certainly invited by not being clearer in stating her position.

265 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:15:20am

Karma: -7

Merry Maven

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Jun 16, 2004 at 2:21 am
No. of comments posted: 9
No. of links posted: 0

That was quick.

266 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:15:55am

re: #263 Gorilla Grodd

Welcome !

267 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:16:10am

So this is what the inner sanctum looks like. I am honored.
I think Ann Coulter should eat a decent meal. It seems her lack of nutrition has precipitated derangement.

268 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:16:41am

re: #263 Gorilla Grodd

Welcome to LGF!

269 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:17:27am
270 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:18:22am

re: #267 ilzito guacamolito

Besides, her thinness, What do you think about her supporting the CCC?

271 songbird  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:18:39am

re: #267 ilzito guacamolito

Welcome to the Lizardly Sanctum Sanctorum!

272 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:19:02am

Hello, by the way. I am glad I finally caught a registration window.

273 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:19:59am

re: #269 FelizNakba

Are you blind? The things you mention- 0bama, ACORN, the stimulus, CAIR, jihadis- have been/are covered on LGF.

274 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:20:00am

First, Millie Woods and now Merry Maven. What next?
Ooops, spoke too soon

275 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:20:22am

I've been talking to a few Anne Coulter fans since Yesterday and believe me, they are not happy at all.

Welcome aboard little lizards. Remember to take the high road.

276 mark_H  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:20:29am

Wow, been reading here forever and not seen registration open. Thunderbird junked the confirmation, but I found it, so here I am. It looks a lot different here logged in....

277 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:20:50am

Wow, was that the quickest entrance and exit ever?

278 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:21:01am
279 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:21:19am

re: #269 FelizNakba

Continuing to push-push-push on things like this, however, legitimizes the Left.

You're crazy.

280 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:21:31am

re: #278 albusteve

Don't quote crap. Use the reply function.

281 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:21:43am

re: #276 mark_H

Welcome. What's the H stand for?

282 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:21:56am

re: #269 FelizNakba

With this comment I wonder why you would register here? Great first comment/// Enjoy your short stay,

283 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:22:19am

Someone just tried to register five accounts under different names and email addresses.

Apparently they think we're not watching.

284 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:22:21am

re: #280 Sharmuta

Don't quote crap. Use the reply function.

yes

285 roguejew  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:22:56am

From the Chronicles of Two Rogue Jews:
Some of America’s greatest Presidents were known simply by their initials. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt was known as FDR. President John Fitzgerald Kennedy was simply known as JFK, Kennedy’s replacement, Lyndon Baines Johnson was referred to as LBJ.

Little known fact in Presidential History, is that President William Jefferson Clinton was also known by the initials as LBJ….Confused? LBJ stood for Loves a BJ. Hope that cleared up the confusion!

And that my friends is your “Great Moment In Presidential History”

286 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:23:16am

re: #269 FelizNakba

Nice nic.... (not)
Turd ball.

287 Shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:23:42am

To #159;

Yes and no on your argument. Climate change is bunk. Scientific concensus? that's an oximoron. But it applies to creationism as well. Hard to talk about the bunk of Climate change followed by support of the creationism. It is part of cleaning your own house. It bugs me the posting on creationism, because I find creationism very fringe. But it is some of the republican law makers arguing against Climate Change bunk who turn around and support creationism. So it gives the Climate Change wack-a-do's a straw man to attack using the support for creationism. But I am with you, I hate reading the creationism stuff.

288 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:23:50am

#269 was another sock puppet for a previously banned user: M1rth. Previously blocked for advocating mass deportations and genocide.

289 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:24:08am

re: #286 jcm

I wonder, if it had been given a chance, if it would have supported robert.

290 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:24:24am

re: #278 albusteve

re: #288 Charles

#269 was another sock puppet for a previously banned user: M1rth. Previously blocked for advocating mass deportations and genocide.

His nic said it all........

291 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:24:31am

re: #288 Charles

Not surprising.

292 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:25:10am

re: #289 Sharmuta

I wonder, if it had been given a chance, if it would have supported robert.

No doubt.....

293 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:25:15am

re: #151 Cato the Elder
Which is why I can't even click on those links.

294 RebelDebater  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:25:18am

re: #269 FelizNakba

The only part of that post that I agree with 100% to the core...especially the part about standing up to Islamists. LGF is one of the only places that actually has the balls to call out pussy groups like United Nations who continue to support the "Palestinian" cause and see it as there sole duty to make Israel out to be a fascist, war-mongering nation.

295 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:25:53am

re: #190 astronmr20

Are you at home?

Just open I.E.

Telling someone to visit a fringe we site using IE?
You've got a cruel sense of humor.

296 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:26:52am

re: #287 Shane

I'm still skeptical on the AGW, but I will say this- climate change is not bunk. It happens. History proves that it happens. We're not in an ice age anymore.

And if you don't like creationism threads- don't read them.

297 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:27:21am

re: #288 Charles

How many monitors do you have running at any given time? Man I can't keep up with spy and more than two threads. And then my head is all over the place

298 RC51  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:27:38am

WOW - I got in under the wire and finally registered, something I've been trying to do for about 2 years!

299 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:29:19am

re: #287 Shane

To #159;

Yes and no on your argument. Climate change is bunk. Scientific concensus? that's an oximoron. But it applies to creationism as well. Hard to talk about the bunk of Climate change followed by support of the creationism. It is part of cleaning your own house. It bugs me the posting on creationism, because I find creationism very fringe. But it is some of the republican law makers arguing against Climate Change bunk who turn around and support creationism. So it gives the Climate Change wack-a-do's a straw man to attack using the support for creationism. But I am with you, I hate reading the creationism stuff.

Creationism is NOT "fringe." Several states have already passed legislation to sneak creationism into schools, and legislation is pending to do the same thing in TEN more states. And nearly every top GOP politician either endorses creationism outright, or pays lip service to it.

Definitely not "fringe," and the posts are going to continue.

300 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:30:02am

And by the way, climate change is not "bunk," either.

301 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #270 notutopia

That is the derangement I referred to.

302 Erik The Red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:33:09am

re: #300 Charles

And by the way, climate change is not "bunk," either.

I have no doubt that climate change is real. My problem is I have seen no concrete scientific evidence that it is man made. Evolution of seasons sounds pretty good to me.

303 Shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:34:49am

re: #296 Sharmuta

Ya, thats the problem with talking about Climate Change. Do I beleive the climate changes? Absolutely. Do I beleive it is due to CO2 in the atmosphere. Nope. Not only nope, but scientifically studied, mathematically analyzed nope. Do I think we should study the Climate? Sure, I do. I would love to be able to accurately forecast a good ski day. Would I like to see less pollution and cleaner energy? Sure. Would I hamstring our national well being to do so? Nope again.

As far as the creationism threads. It makes me cringe that some of the wack-a-do's are in my party. So it makes me uncomfortable reading them because at times these same representatives seemed rational and represented ideas I agreed with. But point taken, mostly I don't read them.

304 RebelDebater  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:35:10am

re: #285 roguejew

From the Chronicles of Two Rogue Jews:
Some of America’s greatest Presidents were known simply by their initials. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt was known as FDR. President John Fitzgerald Kennedy was simply known as JFK, Kennedy’s replacement, Lyndon Baines Johnson was referred to as LBJ.

Little known fact in Presidential History, is that President William Jefferson Clinton was also known by the initials as LBJ….Confused? LBJ stood for Loves a BJ. Hope that cleared up the confusion!

And that my friends is your “Great Moment In Presidential History”


Well who doesn't...

305 SelfEvident  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:36:36am

Well, hello everyone. You know, I don't think of myself as conservative and often disagree with the opinions at LGF, but I've still read it semi-regularly just because of stuff like this. It's refreshing to see a right-wing site that is not totally consumed with the stereotypical ideological positions, one that can call out Ann Coulter and creationism as easily as Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi, if the situation calls for it. Kudos.

306 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:37:14am

David Attenborough was a long-time climate change skeptic. Here's a video that shows one of the things that has changed his mind.

Youtube Video
307 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:37:53am

re: #303 Shane

Usually, ignoring a problem doesn't help it go away. In fact, it helps make it worse.

308 justabill  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:41:57am

re: #29 subsailor68

OT

Okay, ya don't even really need to click the link, but I absolutely love this headline:

Angry Mini workers hurl fruit at union leaders after job cuts

I clicked it because I wanted to read a story about really little people throwing fruit at union a-holes.

Turns out they work in the Mini body panel plant at BMW.

Oh well.

Here I thought the OOomp a Loomps were objecting to some new fruit filled candy...

309 SFGoth  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:42:25am

How delightful is it when you take a break from working on a dreary Monday morning to see the last thread poster is Sharmuta? Better than a cup of Starbucks French Roast (which is better than the Peet's variety).

310 Buffoon  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:42:37am

all it took me was 10 months of waiting to register.. I'm in and now don't know what to say.... *sigh*

311 Shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:43:30am

Re: Charles 299#

No problem there. It bothers me that they support it. Absolutely understand that the posts will continue. It bothers me anytime our politicians use puesdo science to press their beleifs. You are absolutely right about main stream politicians supporting creationism is messed up. I don't know how most of your people feel about creationism, but I'm an atheist. I really don't beleive in it. Worse, I actually went ahead and read the bible and it clearly says you will have no proof other than your faith. So why would a religous person attempt to prove the bible is true when it is telling you that it can't be done? My guess, they lack faith in the god they beleive in and are hoping they aren't buying the proverbial "fire insurance".

I'm just saying I skip those posts. It pains me to see people support that crap and wonder why no one takes them seriously. Especially if I voted for one of them.

As far as climate change being bunk, I would say I agree the climate is changing. I would disagree that CO2 is causing it. I am more inclined to beleive its that big fireball in the sky, coupled with changes in axis on our whirling globe.

312 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:44:08am

re: #261 Charles

You are almost certainly correct. I suppose I'm just having trouble accepting it. I've generally agreed with Coulter in the past (except for her support of Creationism,) but there's no excuse for her embracing the CCC or other supremacist groups. Those guys are just as bad as ANSWER, The World Can't Wait, Code Pink, etc. If Coulter's point was that the Republicans get outed for this stuff and the Democrats get a pass--that's fine. But, that doesn't excuse the Republicans for supporting the CCC.

313 essayons7  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:44:22am

Wow, I FINALLY made it in as a hatchling!

314 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:44:23am

re: #309 SFGoth

*blush*

315 kimmie7  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:44:36am

Coulter needs to explain herself.

On a side note: Doin' the happy dance -- I'm a hatchling! Whoo-hoo! Been trying to get my paw in the door for months now!

316 AyUaxe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:45:25am

Glad to finally get in and on a Coulter post at that--she's a shameless self-promoter. Nothing she says can be taken seriously, except for the serious purpose of making money for her. She is smart and good at that, no one can deny. She will flip-flop away from any radical position, asserting it was assumed for argument's sake and do so again and again. Hope she sends CJ a big thank you gift for this extra exposure.

317 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:45:31am

re: #313 essayons7

Welcome... engineer?

318 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:46:00am

re: #306 Charles

Thanks for posting that, Charles. I still consider myself a skeptic in many ways simply because I haven't devoted as much time to studying the issue as say, freetoken.

319 roguejew  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:46:45am

re: #304 RebelDebater

Ya got me there!

320 Gella  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:46:49am

re: #316 AyUaxe

enjoy this then
[Link: freedomeden.blogspot.com...]

321 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:49:59am

Climate change? Yep. It's mid February, on the coast of NC, and It's SNOWING here.

322 Natasha  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:53:18am

re: #317 Amer-I-Can

Welcome... engineer?

Uh-oh... Another Engineer? Yay!
/*Hoists a glass of wine*

323 horse  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:53:31am

re: #52 CyanSnowHawk

Not a big enough forum I'm afraid. She plays to huge audiences only.

Something like the clone army?

324 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:54:10am

re: #322 Natasha

hehehe.... if they aren't careful we may just take over.

325 Bodhi1  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:54:52am

Finally! Thank you Twitter for letting me know registration was open.

326 Natasha  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:54:58am

re: #324 Amer-I-Can

hehehe.... if they aren't careful we may just take over.

If only! That would be an awesome world indeed.

327 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:56:34am

re: #306 Charles

David Attenborough was a long-time climate change skeptic. Here's a video that shows one of the things that has changed his mind.


[Video]

Of course skeptics still have plenty of room to dispute the accuracy of "model" data, and some as we know are over in the conspiracy camp as far as that goes.

Personally I'm inclined to go with the science as presented if only for the simple reason that if it is right and the naysayers are wrong, it will be too late to even bother talking about it once the issue is conclusive either way.

The cost of global warming unaddressed is far far higher than any stimulus bill or the costs of addressing it unnecessarily.

328 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:59:05am

re: #316 AyUaxe

Glad to finally get in and on a Coulter post at that--she's a shameless self-promoter. Nothing she says can be taken seriously, except for the serious purpose of making money for her. She is smart and good at that, no one can deny. She will flip-flop away from any radical position, asserting it was assumed for argument's sake and do so again and again. Hope she sends CJ a big thank you gift for this extra exposure.

Gave you a ding up, just to get you started.

329 john.farscape  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:07:20am

Figures it would take a bout of strep throat and being ordered to stay home by the doctors in order to finally be around during a registration period! So boo I'm sick but yay I'm a hatchling!

re: #327 Naso Tang

Of course skeptics still have plenty of room to dispute the accuracy of "model" data, and some as we know are over in the conspiracy camp as far as that goes.

Personally I'm inclined to go with the science as presented if only for the simple reason that if it is right and the naysayers are wrong, it will be too late to even bother talking about it once the issue is conclusive either way.

The cost of global warming unaddressed is far far higher than any stimulus bill or the costs of addressing it unnecessarily.

Uhm... isn't that known as Arguing the consequences? I don't think that is safe. In fact, it's a lot like the rhetoric Obama has been using to get the Spendulus passed recently. They argue "well we have to do something or else the consequences suck", ignoring that the consequences of the Spendulus are still actually worse than doing nothing.

I think we need more info. I think we need to know how much (if any) of the current data is either inaccurate or worse yet, outright falsified. And no, I don't subscribe to the "we have to do something or else" theory.

Also remember: why does Al Gore pimp this so much? His so-called businesses are involved in... Selling Carbon Credits. If he can't convince everyone the sky is falling, they might not pay him money to do nothing.

330 Paleosapiens  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:08:23am

Nothing intelligent to add at the moment....Just testing the, proverbial, waters...

331 Natasha  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:08:48am

I liked Ann Coulter, somewhat, just because of the hysterics her name alone causes among leftards. She plays for shock value. It is marketing, for her, and it appears to work. Negative publicity is better than no publicity at all.
I disagree with her on very many things. But watching homegrown commies melt down at the mere sight of "Rightwing Barbie" is most entertaining.

332 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:09:30am

re: #232 Sharmuta

I have found a Newbie to whom I am willing to give a drink instead of asking them to get me on.


Hmmm... get me on....let me think about that a bit.

333 Pygmalienation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:09:46am

Apologies if this has been touched upon, but like some others here, I kinda enjoyed AC simply because she seemed to really "stick it" to liberals and made them squirm. That having been said, I started finding her possible associations suspect when her articles started showing up in the spam I get from 'Human Events'. Human Events being a platform for Pat Buchanan, among others.

334 sleepyone  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:09:49am

re: #306 Charles

David Attenborough was a long-time climate change skeptic. Here's a video that shows one of the things that has changed his mind.


[Video]

There's equally compelling evidence that global warming is not caused by man to any degree of significance.

Facts Debunk Global Warming Alarmism

335 Natasha  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:10:29am

Her defense of a white supremacist organization, though, is inexcusable. To me, as a radical individualist, any sort of racism or supremacism are strains of collectivism and, as such, are repugnant.

336 Irenike  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:12:02am

Let's assume climate change is happening. Other questions need to be answered before we jump onto Al Gore's bandwagon.

1. Is the changed caused by man's activities? I haven't seen evidence that it is. I've read arguments that sunspot activity is a better predictor of global warming than CO2 levels.

2. Is climate change bad? Not necessarily. A warmer earth means more people who live in marginal areas have a greater chance of surviving. Their growing season gets longer, so they are less likely to die of famine, etc.

3. Can all the government controls proposed by Al Gore & Co. solve the climate change "problem"? Well, if climate change is not caused by human activity, I don't see how government mandates are going to have any real effect on it. The mandates may have other bad, unintended consequences, however, such as ruining the economy and making everybody poorer.

337 DeliLama  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:12:31am

For people who still believe in the principles of liberty combined with tolerance (except for those who intolerantly want to stifle others), you are not alone. There are a lot of us out here.

338 vagabond trader  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:13:47am

Ok, what the hell is a liberal anarcho libertarian type?

339 john.farscape  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:15:08am

re: #336 Irenike

Let's assume climate change is happening. Other questions need to be answered before we jump onto Al Gore's bandwagon.

1. Is the changed caused by man's activities? I haven't seen evidence that it is. I've read arguments that sunspot activity is a better predictor of global warming than CO2 levels.

Actually, this is borne out by the climate data on Mars, which has been tracking Earth's temperature fluctuations pretty reliably...

340 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:17:54am

re: #329 john.farscape

I'm honored to be your first quote, but we will have to see how that pans out.

Disliking Al Gore has nothing to do with the message, anymore than disliking Ben Stein has anything to do with the fact that what he spouts is ignorant and bigoted crap.

Some people think evolution is a conspiracy by scientists (atheist scientists) in league with the devil. Some seem to see global warming in the same vein, but in essence it is the same scientists in both cases.

Will you know when there is enough data or do you know who to trust to tell you when there is, regardless of what it says?

341 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:18:05am

re: #329 john.farscape

I think we need more info. I think we need to know how much (if any) of the current data is either inaccurate or worse yet, outright falsified.

I'm familiar with that case, and I haven't seen any evidence that the data was "falsified." As far as I've been able to determine, it was simply a mistake. They used data from previous years that had been mislabeled.

342 mark_H  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:19:01am

re: #281 notutopia

Thanks for the welcome, the H stands for my last name. I didn't have a cool username picked out.

Back to the topic, I used to read AC all the time, and really enjoyed it when she'd stick it to liberals and get them crazy. I can't help wonder if she's doing this for attention/reaction too.

343 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:19:17am

[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]

Harrison Schmitt speaks sooth. Climate change is caused, for the most part, by the varying energy output of the sun. There is very little us humans can do about it. That's probably a good thing.

Pollution is still bad, of course. It just won't turn the Earth into a ball of fiery doom.

344 horse  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:20:13am

re: #306 Charles

There is one item in their charts that does not look correct. Solar irradiance since mid last century has increased, whereas they show natural events in a general steady state.

Some additional graphs showing the increasing output of solar activity since 1950 vs. a variety other measurable data. These changes take into consideration the low frequency solar variation cycle.

I will look at this specific aspect more closely in the weeks ahead to determine the potential discrepancy. It could provide some additional interesting insight into both sides of the issue.

345 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:24:04am

re: #255 NukeAtomrod

If this is "the" Atomic Rod, you might want to link your blog rather than to email.

Here's who I think you might be, correct me if I'm mistaken:

[Link: atomicinsights.blogspot.com...]

346 Shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:25:52am

Probably should start another thread instead of putting this in this thread.The IPCC report clearly states that there are many issues they have very little knowledge of but still insist on assigning a solid number to effects caused by man. I firmly beleive we should have have more nuclear power plants, rely on coal less, polute less. But as far as how much man contributes, it should be based on real science not some far fetched assertions and assumptions. Cox's video was interesting but what other factors did he not include. Secondly, I beleive that temperature data is questionable. That is the temperature data by James Hansen, he has made "Quality Control" adjustments to the source data. Not a correction factor to use, but actually adjusted the source data.

347 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:27:03am

We have to be careful not to mix up the terms Climate Change and Global Warming. They have similar but distinct meanings.

Climate Change- any long-term significant change in the weather patterns of an area (natural and unnatural)

Global Warming- an increase in the earth's average atmospheric temperature that causes corresponding changes in climate and that may result from the greenhouse effect.

I don't think anyone (I hope not) would argue against climate change being a fact. It's global warming that is controversial.

348 bink  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:27:42am

This is my first post!

I couldn't agree more with the basic gist of the two posted emails of support. I am really sick of feeling embarrassed to be a conservative. I work in education, and like the media/hollywood, it is just assumed that, since I'm not a bigoted, lunatic, I must be a good, enlightened lefty like them.

Conservative allegiances with fringe groups and Christian activists, just doesn't seem wise. For every vote it gains, we loose a vote from a moderate who never gets a chance to thoughtfully consider conservative ideas because they are so put-out by the "right-wing wackos" they see highlighted in the MSM. Because the MSM is all too happy to paint us all with this absurd brush, we have to work doubly hard to promote serious ideas/people who don't have bulls-eyes on their heads. Sorry Palin - I like you alright, but we just can't have people like you or Bush (or Coulter) as the face of our party. Yes, I'm a good Christian too and it's unfair to sideline you, but I don't want to spend all my energy defending you instead of defending solid conservative principles.

I've been visiting LGF since the 90's when the homepage opened to the four-square splash page for web development services etc. Although I don't always agree with Charles, I too have appreciated his personal pursuit of intellectual honesty, and for the most part, the people posting here keep that same spirit.

Thanks.

349 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:27:54am

re: #345 Thanos

Nope. Sorry. Mistaken Identity.

350 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:30:07am

re: #347 gman

I don't think anyone (I hope not) would argue against climate change being a fact. It's global warming that is controversial.

Probably what you meant, but it is the causes of global warming that are controversial, and climate change is an undeniable effect of the latter, whatever the cause.

351 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:30:54am

re: #349 NukeAtomrod

Ok, the other Rod's an old friend, I was wondering.

352 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:34:30am

re: #350 Naso Tang

Probably what you meant, but it is the causes of global warming that are controversial, and climate change is an undeniable effect of the latter, whatever the cause.

thanks for clearing that up. I just keep seeing the terms thrown around.
It's beginning to remind me of the way "theory" is used on the evolution threads.

353 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:38:52am

"Registration is now closed, with 210 hatchlings."

That's a lot for one little open session.

Get ready for lots of troll-whacking later today, Charles!

354 horse  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:42:27am

One item I would like to point out regarding carbon emission. Regardless of whether the AGW hypothesis is correct or not, we should be pursuing technology and solutions that decrease our carbon-based energy solutions and related emissions. If for no other reasons than the impact on C3 vs. C4 plant ecosystems, and not being dependent and funding unstable countries in the world.

The big questions are how aggressive, how expensive, how intrusive and how much should the government be in charge of the pursuit. The objective should be growing the energy industry's output via low emission solutions, not restricting it to meet emissions targets. In that regard I am very suspicious of the left's ulterior motives.

Nuclear is the immediate logical path. Europe is doing this well, and China is on that path. The left is currently blocking this path in the USA.

355 Shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:44:11am

re: #341 Charles;

McIntyre explains the problem with the temperature data. Again, this has been cast in the light of proving or disproving climate is effected by man and if it isn't then what. I don't often state it clearly but this is as clear as I can. I don't care if it is man made or not. I am open to valid explantions either way. Valid being the key. I can't pick a side as a scientist. If I do I lose objectivity. What I can do is study the science. If the science looks faulty I can point it out, and this science is faulty in many ways.

No one has quit questioning Einstein. Many physicists still attempt to either prove or disprove his theories. They aren't wrong and hate physics, they are challenging their belief systems by experimentation. Something the creationists and the global warming crowd aren't doing. Hence, the concensus. In science there is not concensus. You have a theory, people may prove it wrong but have not done so to date like the theory of evolution and the theory of relativity. But climate science can be tested in many ways. The absorbtion of energy by CO2 is really well known. We have instruments, infrared spectrosocopy that operate on this information and we use everyday. You can calculate the energy absorbed by CO2. It doesn't add up. That is the problem with the global warming crowd. Their science doesn't pass scrutiny. Just like the creationists.

356 lostlakehiker  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:47:34am

re: #311 Shane

Re: Charles 299#

No problem there. It bothers me that they support it. Absolutely understand that the posts will continue. It bothers me anytime our politicians use puesdo science to press their beleifs. You are absolutely right about main stream politicians supporting creationism is messed up. I don't know how most of your people feel about creationism, but I'm an atheist. I really don't beleive in it. Worse, I actually went ahead and read the bible and it clearly says you will have no proof other than your faith. So why would a religous person attempt to prove the bible is true when it is telling you that it can't be done? My guess, they lack faith in the god they beleive in and are hoping they aren't buying the proverbial "fire insurance".

I'm just saying I skip those posts. It pains me to see people support that crap and wonder why no one takes them seriously. Especially if I voted for one of them.

As far as climate change being bunk, I would say I agree the climate is changing. I would disagree that CO2 is causing it. I am more inclined to beleive its that big fireball in the sky, coupled with changes in axis on our whirling globe.

Take a look at the video Charles posted at 306. That doesn't flat settle it; perhaps the temperature increase from the graph is an artifact of how temperatures are measured. What about urban heat island effects and so on?

To test that hypothesis is no trivial matter. There are some weather stations that have been in the same place all along, and it's been rural all along. But what if a tree fell and the station got more sun? What you need is data that don't depend on thermometers or weather stations.

Time series photographs of alpine glaciers will do. Records of when arctic rivers froze over in winter and broke up in spring will be useful. Dates at which migratory birds and butterflies showed up in their summer or winter habitats can help.

And the fact is, every one of these types of data confirm the hypothesis that nowadays the climate really is warmer than it was in the early 1900s. This, too, doesn't settle the issue. Perhaps there is another reason at work. What if there are long-term cycles in the weather, and it's just been sunnier by day and cloudier by night? What if industrial pollution is causing clouds to form more often at night? That would be a man-made warming, but one that could easily be reversed just by regulating particulate emissions.

Nobody has come up with any explanation along these lines that holds up under close scrutiny, but perhaps there is an explanation nobody's thought of yet. That's a thin reed. More likely, the obvious explanation is the correct one. CO2 really is a greenhouse gas. We really do have more of it up there than we used to have. The physics of absorption lines predicts, all else being equal and simplifying so you can run the numbers, a warming in the general vicinity of what we're seeing. That's not enough to convict CO2 as the perp, but it's enough to issue a search warrant. Scientifically, it's enough to make "anthropogenic global warming" a plausible hypothesis. It could well be true.

357 Shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:49:44am

This is Hansen's quality control. Some people would call it cherry picking your data and eliminating data to get the answer you want. But he refers to it as quality control.

358 Shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:57:50am

re #356 lostlakehiker;

Agree. It isn't that it can't be true or false, its the methods and politics being used to prove its true. It's not good science. No ends justify any means. I want real science. I want to keep looking. I don't want dogma. Right now I feel its a lot of dogma and not real science. If you start with CO2 as the culprit and proceed to make models the exclude all other options, CO2 is the answer. What if it is man made and its not CO2 but something else and we could fix that but have focused on CO2?

359 Canoe Train  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:00:33pm

Anyone want to start a pool as to how soon the banning will start (that is, if Charles has not already started) ?

360 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:04:43pm

*Shyly shakes off the delousing deck residue and remaining bits of shell*

Hi Lizards! After waiting quietly for the door to open I slithered in today. :) And after hearing Coulter called out for her support of that group, I'm even happier to be here. I can't stand that sort of thing either.

*Now creeping off to get some chocolate to make a good day even better*

361 Achilles Tang  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:07:49pm

re: #356 lostlakehiker

What about urban heat island effects and so on?

Not to be pedantic here, but that would qualify for a man made global warming contributor.

362 lostlakehiker  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:10:59pm

re: #358 Shane

re #356 lostlakehiker;

Agree. It isn't that it can't be true or false, its the methods and politics being used to prove its true. It's not good science. No ends justify any means. I want real science. I want to keep looking. I don't want dogma. Right now I feel its a lot of dogma and not real science. If you start with CO2 as the culprit and proceed to make models the exclude all other options, CO2 is the answer. What if it is man made and its not CO2 but something else and we could fix that but have focused on CO2?

Whenever a scientific issue becomes a public policy issue, you will have political positions masquerading as science. We see this from the Discovery Institute, and we see it from the Left on global warming. But it is possible to give bad reasons for an ultimately correct claim.
As in: "2+2=4 because 2*2 is 6 and the way to add two numbers is to multiply them and subtract 2."
Or, "global warming is caused by human use of CO2, because if it isn't, we cannot make a crusade of global warming and fight the power of Big Oil".
If it's not CO2, what would it be? Methane? Reducing our methane production won't be easy. Rice farming and cattle ranching are big contributors. But Vietnam can't survive without growing rice, and no one has figured out how to put turkeys out to graze on the grasslands of Texas or Paraguay. It takes a ruminant stomach to digest grass, and methane is a byproduct. So there's a limit to what we can do to abate methane, if it's a contributor to the problem. Estimates I've seen put it a distant second, though significant, behind CO2.

363 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:59pm

re: #359 Canoe Train

Anyone want to start a pool as to how soon the banning will start (that is, if Charles has not already started) ?

It did already start! lol

364 horse  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:14:41pm

re: #356 lostlakehiker

With regard to global temperatures and related evidence, the simpler solution, and most likely leading influence, is solar irradiance.

365 Pious Agnostic  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:18:25pm

I used to be a big Ann fan, until 'Godless' came out. I enjoyed her prior books, especially the glee with which she turned her flamethrower on idiocy; even when she went overboard, it was at least fun.

But then she allied herself with the Ben Stein wing (completely unevolved from dinosaurs) with 'Godless' and I lost all respect.

She's still fun to watch, but she just wants to sell books, not actually persuade anyone.

366 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:21:34pm

Wow - a lot of egg shells today.

Should be an interesting evening.

367 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:24:57pm
368 Irenike  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:31:55pm

One of the nuclear scientists (I think it was Teller, if I recall correctly) came up with an elegant solution for the "problem" of global warming: Shoot a bomb filled with reflective material into the upper atmosphere, and detonate it. This way, the reflective material would orbit the earth for a few years, deflect incoming sunlight and cool the earth. At the time he proposed it, he estimated it would cost $50k.

You know the real agenda behind the global warming alarmists is not to actually "solve" the problem of global warming, but to control the sources of energy, and micromanage people's lives. That is why they pass laws on what kind of light bulb I can burn, how high I can set my thermostat, and how much gas my car is allowed to burn. Let's not even get into ethanol, which pollutes at least as much as gasoline, and costs more (i.e., uses more resources to produce and use).

369 Land Shark  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:38:49pm

re: #362 lostlakehiker

One of the problems I have buying into the CO2 causing climate change thing is that CO2 comprises 0.038% by volume of the atmosphere. Hell, nitrogen and oxygen by themselves account for 99% or so by volume of the atmosphere. CO2 must be like the Hercules, Incredible Hulk and Superman all rolled into one of gases if it can overwhelm the characteristics of the 2 dominant gases.

An impertinent question people need to ask, since "greenhouse" gases are seen as such a bogey monster, how does a greenhouse perform this magical feat of retaining heat? Well, it's the SOLID nature of the glass which keeps the air warmed by the sun from having this heat sucked away by the surrounding cold air outside. In fact, a greenhouse retains it's heat by the exact same method your average building does, by creating a solid barrier that slows down the dispersion of heat generated inside the structure to the outside. There really is no such thing as a greenhouse effect. Of course, they couldn't call it "the solid barrier effect" because everyone would know a colorless, odorless gas that constitutes such a microscopic percentage of our atmosphere isn't a solid barrier, so the term "greenhouse effect" is born. Of course, few people will use their God given common sense to question that nonsense so now we have this whole global warming industry to contend with based on this mythical greenhouse effect.

To my knowledge, no one has demonstrated how these so called greenhouse gases, that combined constitute well under 1% by volume of our atmosphere, can have a greater effect on our climate than the sun. This must be where the magic happens. (sarcasm)

370 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:34pm

That's quite a lot of newbies. Is it seriously because of the Coulter thing, you think? You get lots more hatchlings when there's something controversial like that up?

371 Code Red 21  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:58:17pm

It's a shame Ann has gone over to the dark side and takes up for these sort of people. It seems that racism and antisemitism go hand in hand and I don't like either.

372 AJayRidenour  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:58:52pm

Hi folks. In my opinion, Ann Coulter is nothing more than an extreme right-wing flame thrower no different than those who blog on the Huffing&Puffington Post. Responding to her radical flame throwing just helps legitimize her. Day by day, her screeds lead her down the dark path to aberration and irrelevance. We all can see the visible outward signs of the hate that is eating her alive inside. I pray for God's healing hand upon her.

373 XENONIAN  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:01:31pm

I am a HATCHLING !

ABOUT TIME I CAUGHT AN OPEN WINDOW........LOL

374 code red 21  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:05:16pm

re: #334 sleepyone

There's equally compelling evidence that global warming is not caused by man to any degree of significance.

Facts Debunk Global Warming Alarmism


I wish that the climate change bunch would just tell us all exactly what the correct temperatures for our planet are supposed to be.

375 Land Shark  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:11pm

And a hearty welcome to all the new hatch-lings to Lizard Land. Treasure that cool little green football by your user name. Mind the simple, clearly stated rules and remember, this is Mr. Johnson's Neighborhood so play nice. Besides, the price is right, it's free! ;-)

376 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:12pm

re: #370 LynnfromNZ

That's quite a lot of newbies. Is it seriously because of the Coulter thing, you think? You get lots more hatchlings when there's something controversial like that up?

I was just happy to register because the door was open - I've been wanting to for a long while but every time I caught the words "The Door Swings Open" I'd perk up...and then see I'd missed it and it already closed.

But today I made it - think I should buy a lottery ticket too? :)

377 shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:13:49pm

re #369 Land Shark

I understand the argument that you are putting up but the percentage actually is a horrible argument. Nuclear reactors rely on control of a very small fraction of all neutrons called the delayed nuetron fraction. It is discussed by talking about reactivity and the difference between a nuclear explosion and a controlled reactor is .0067 units of reactivity required to reach prompt criticality. Prompt criticality is being critical on nuetrons produced in 1^10-23 seconds. As opposed to relying on delayed nuetrons of 55 seconds. The .0067 is small percentage, just like the CO2. So using CO2 as a small percentage isn't a great argument.

A better argument is the energy band that CO2 absorbs is around 1^10-13 ergs. So if you take the contribution of Carbon dioxide required to increase the of CO2 to its current level of 385 ppm from a level of say 285 ppm you will find a very insignificant amount of energy when you consider the size of the planet. Secondly, if it is increased to 385 ppm, what dropped? if the sea level pressure is the same, ie. the air is still the same relative density, something went away so that CO2 went up 100ppm. You can evaluate the partial pressure of gases to see this. Although not an ideal gas, without going into partial differential equations you can get a very close approximation. Then, change the irradance of the sun. Now all of a sudden things don't look good for CO2 as a culprit. This is quantam mechanics so its flux * material and density * cross section for absorbtion. The flux has to go through the diffusion equation over the 50 miles of our atmosphere as well as attenuation due to water vapor etc. As far as I can see through document review, I can't find hard numbers on absorbtion in laboratory environments using fixed light sources and controlled CO2 levels. If you know of any, please post them I'll read them.

Anyway. Using only a small percent as a reason that it can't control because of size is not a great argument. But keep up the skepticism. It is what makes science advance.

378 Land Shark  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:37:49pm

re: #377 shane

A good point, after all, for example, look what happens whenever there's a major volcanic eruption. It's my understanding that they spew a greater volume of "greenhouse" gases during the few days an eruption usually lasts that mankind has spewed since the dawn of industrialization. Yet invariably, the effect of such an event is global cooling. What happens is that the particulate matter ejected into the upper atmosphere reduces ever so slightly the amount of sunlight reaching the surface, thus producing cooling. Whatever warming effect these greenhouse gas emissions would have is easily overwhelmed by the small filtering effect of this particulate matter. There, like in a thermonuclear reaction, very small change percentage wise has an effect, because the sun is ultimately the principal master of our climate.

Small percentages do matter in certain situations. Point made.

379 YY  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:41:49pm

Charles: I say Bravo for your post, but I do have one issue with a few posts lately: not all religious conservatives are the same--very few of us are interested in a theocracy.

In other words, the problem is not with the "religious right," per se. The problem is with complete idiots. I wish we could try to not include all "religious righties" in a pot with scum like Pat Buchanan (who doesn't appear too religious to me), and his ilk.

Case in point, I am, without a doubt, deeply religious, and an extreme right-winger. My guess is, however, that you and I would get along just fine, regardless of your level of observance, or the extent to which you believe government should get involved in social issues.

In other words, religion is not the problem. Ignorance and idiocy are the problems. Let's all a spade a "spade," and call an idiot with a big mouth an "idiot with a big mouth."

Just a thought.

Be well.

380 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:51:31pm

re: #379 YY

I don't know what I've written that makes you think I believe "religion is the problem." I'm always careful to qualify statements and make it clear that there's a difference between religious extremists and the vast majority of reasonable people.

381 USBeast  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:53:27pm

Charles, what do you hear from Brian of London and the SNN crew? Are they any closer to getting their new site up and running?

382 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:59:57pm

re: #376 Chicago Blonde

Well, glad to have you here. Are you really from Chicago? I went to college around there, great, great city. I still miss it.

383 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:04:48pm

re: #379 YY

I'd agree, I'm pretty religious too, and conservative. I really enjoy 95% of what Ann Coulter writes, not because she calls herself a Christian -- of course I don't know the state of Ann's or anybody's soul, but frankly she doesn't strike me as someone who has the same take on Christianity that I do -- but because she's very funny, witty and the majority of the time absolutely right.

I have no interest in racists, gussied up or otherwise, but that doesn't mean we have to disregard everything Ann writes. I can ignore that and enjoy -- and learn from -- much else that she writes.

Nobody's perfect, let's not shoot Ann just because she has her blind spots. Most of what she writes is dead-on accurate.

384 AverageCdn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:30:58pm

Welcome new hatchlings!

I remember how excited I was when I got in (I'm still giddy). Act with respect and you'll be treated with respect. This is a great site.

385 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:38:00pm

re: #383 LynnfromNZ

I'd agree, I'm pretty religious too, and conservative. I really enjoy 95% of what Ann Coulter writes, not because she calls herself a Christian -- of course I don't know the state of Ann's or anybody's soul, but frankly she doesn't strike me as someone who has the same take on Christianity that I do -- but because she's very funny, witty and the majority of the time absolutely right.

I have no interest in racists, gussied up or otherwise, but that doesn't mean we have to disregard everything Ann writes. I can ignore that and enjoy -- and learn from -- much else that she writes.

Nobody's perfect, let's not shoot Ann just because she has her blind spots. Most of what she writes is dead-on accurate.

Sorry, I could not disagree more. Ann Coulter is a plague on the conservative movement, a one-woman discrediting machine. She turns off FAR more people than she enchants, with her lovely statements -- such as calling John Edwards "a faggot."

She's a bigot and an embarrassment, and now she's been exposed as a person who makes excuses for white supremacist groups.

386 theheat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:38:38pm

re: #383 LynnfromNZ

Nobody's perfect, let's not shoot Ann just because she has her blind spots. Most of what she writes is dead-on accurate.

Racism is a significant blind spot. It's the gigantic black hole of blind spots. Certainly, nothing else Coulter has written is so illuminating, or unique, this is something to ignore. As far as her dead-on accuracy, a broken clock is dead-on accurate no less than twice a day. BFD. I find no reason to worship this racist media wh*re simply because I may agree with some things she says. The overall person - the bigger picture - is frankly loathsome.

Racism paints a lot of ugly on a person.

387 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:47:27pm

re: #382 LynnfromNZ

Thank you!

I'm from a li'l 'burb so I just say Chicago - it's easier. And I love the city too. Come visit in a few months - it'll be warm enough to walk around and enjoy it!

As far as Coulter goes - I can't help but be squeamish about her. The whole supremacist group thing makes my skin crawl, plus - as others put it on the previous threads more eloquently - when people like her come up with something really obnoxious or just flat hateful - I fear it gives Moonbats an excuse to point at us and scream "ah-HA!"

388 cronus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:59:22pm

Anyone who hasn't had their reality compass momentarily disabled can see that Coulter has jumped the shark again. I still don't know why she didn't get the Rev. Wright under the bus treatment when she called for Jews to "perfected."

389 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:04:56pm

re: #385 Charles

I can't conceive of somebody saying "Gee, I'd really like to be a conservative, I find a lot of resonance in their beliefs and philosophy with my own thinking, but I just can' get past Ann Coulter, so I'll keep voting for liberals."

Ann doesn't "discredit" anything, she has her way of expressing herself and I have mine and you have yours, that's window dressing, what matters is the underlying truth or falsity of what we say. And Ann's almost always truthful.

Sure she's abrasive and opinionated, and she writes things I wouldn't write, but her facts are almost always in order and hey, she's a conservative guilty pleasure -- there's a small part of me that goes "Yeah, go get 'em , Ann!" when she swings the hatchet at liberals the way liberals take it as a matter of course that they can swing hatchets at conservatives.

Wrong of me, yes; I should be bigger than that, I know, but it's a bit of a thrill to see one of ours be fearless instead of tied up in knots over how to placate and pay fealty to liberals lest we're "perceived" wrongly by people who are looking for ways to mischaracterize us. Ann's got Martin Luther's attitude -- you're going to sin no matter what you do, so sin boldly. There's something refreshing about that, especially when she isn't afraid to go after the liberal sacred cows.

That's why this CCC thing you brought up surprises me, it's the first time I've seen her be factually wrong about something this big.

390 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:09:24pm

re: #389 LynnfromNZ

Ann doesn't "discredit" anything...

Well, even National Review disagrees with you; they fired her for her bigoted comments.

And if you don't think it drastically turns off centrists and moderates when 'conservatives' at CPAC cheer Ann Coulter for calling John Edwards a 'faggot,' or when she calls Muslims 'r*gheads', or says Jews need to be 'perfected', I don't know what to tell you.

391 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:10:26pm

re: #386 theheat

So I guess you conclude Abraham Lincoln to be an ugly racist for saying that he couldn't conceive of blacks being equal to whites?

[Link: www.historycooperative.org...]

392 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:11:39pm

And one more point -- I do not believe Coulter was 'mistaken' or 'factually wrong' when she made excuses for the Council of Conservative Citizens. It's simply impossible to believe that anyone could look at that website for more than a second and not see the extreme hatred, right in your face.

393 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:12:17pm

re: #391 LynnfromNZ

So I guess you conclude Abraham Lincoln to be an ugly racist for saying that he couldn't conceive of blacks being equal to whites?

[Link: www.historycooperative.org...]

You don't?

394 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:17:24pm

re: #390 Charles

Sure, NR fired her for her white-heat angry column after September 11th, saying we should invade their countries and convert them to Christianity, or something like that. It wasn't a well-thought out piece to write, but it was refreshing to hear somebody saying exactly how angry they were, it's still one of the very few columns written straight from the heart in reaction to 9/11 which dispensed with the usual qualifying gobbledygook about how we must respect the great Islamic culture or the "small minority" of Muslims involved in terrorism, yada yada yada.

She's not anybody I'd want to marry, she says not nice things about not nice people. But she also performs valuable services other conservatives avoid -- her columns on the Democratic Party of Minnesota's attempts to steal the Senate election for Al Franken were the only major MSM columns I saw telling the truth about the issue, and her publicity of Stanto's exculpatory biography of Joe McCarthy brought a lot of welcome publicity to the book.

Sure I can see where she turns a lot of people off. But they're usually people who care more about style than substance. In substance very few columnists today are as good as Ann.

395 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:18:05pm

re: #392 Charles

I'd agree with that. As I said, she's wrong once in a while. This is one of those times. It's sad to see, yes, but I don't stop reading all the good things she writes.

396 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:20:05pm

re: #393 Charles

I believe Lincoln did hold what we recognize today as racist views, yes, views some people in his own time recognized were racist. But I don't take that to be the full measure of the man. He's an imperfect man who did some great things, one does not dismiss him out of hand because of his racism, just as one does not say Washington was a bad man because he kept slaves.

397 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:23:29pm

re: #396 LynnfromNZ

I believe Lincoln did hold what we recognize today as racist views, yes, views some people in his own time recognized were racist. But I don't take that to be the full measure of the man. He's an imperfect man who did some great things, one does not dismiss him out of hand because of his racism, just as one does not say Washington was a bad man because he kept slaves.

Abraham Lincoln lived in a time when racism like that was much more ingrained in American society, and you're right, that should not be the full measure of him.

Ann Coulter has no such excuse.

398 jimmyhaha  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:27:58pm

There are only four entities that matter in this story: Coulter, the CCC, CPAC, and the Republican Party. We can complain about the left, or Jeremiah Wright or Clinton or whoever, but we're just avoiding the issue. What they do tells you about their character, and this situation is about ours.

If I've learned one thing watching political spin, it's that when someone says "the real question is...", what they mean is "I'm too cowardly to answer the question you just asked."

The biggest failing of the party in the past eight years is that we traded long-term strategy for short-term payoffs. We became political day-traders, squeezing out whatever little boost we could get without thought to what the real consequences would be. Coulter is a perfect example of that. She's embracing a white-supremacist organization in order to score some little point against the NYT.

So the question is this: how do we, how does the party, how does CPAC react? Do we do the right thing and call the fringe wackos what they are, or do we bow to the pragmatists who claim that pragmatism dictates we surrender our principles in order to keep a united front?

The CCC is free to spout racist bullcrap. Coulter is free to defend them. CPAC is free to choose who they want to represent them. And the party is free to have its principles or toss them away.

We can retake this country, but we won't do that by throwing away what makes us qualified to do so.

399 brandon13  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:38:07pm

re: #397 Charles

That's pretty much exactly what I was going to respond with. Lincoln was a racist, no doubt, but he lived in a time period in which that was the norm. That doesn't excuse his racism, but it is a pretty big mitigating factor.

Coulter has no such mitigating factors.

400 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:38:14pm

re: #397 Charles

Lincoln was a man of his time, nothing ticks me off like pious Whig revisionists saying "Oh he should have known better than to think that way."

But there's just no such thing as a perfect person, someone without any kinks in their brain. I was in Dublin a couple summers ago and Trinity College had a good exhibit on Watson, the DNA double helix guy along with Crick. Brilliant scientist, but quite racist. Doesn't negate his science.

Okay, Ann wants to pretend some racists really aren't racist. That's dumb, yes. Doesn't negate a lot of her other good writing at all. Somebody would have to be pretty sanctimonious to say "Well, I'm so much better than Ann Coulter, that racist."

Odds are good there's something akin to that level of borderline wilfull blindness in all of us. It might be racism, it might be some other form of prejudice, it might be an overly sentimental attachment to something, it might be an irrational fear that clouds our judgment about a certain issue, it might be a refusal to admit what's painfully clear to everyone who knows us, the only sure thing is we all have it somewhere.

401 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:41:52pm

Yeah, it does terribly reduce her credibility. Her repeated bomb throwing might sell books to the neoconfederacy, but she'll never get another nickle from me.

402 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:43:57pm

re: #398 jimmyhaha

Just amazing. Ann Coulter has been one of the very few -- I can't think of any others off the top of my head -- who has been utterly consistent in saying for the past eight years that Republicans need to take the long view, that we need to dispense with short-term politics, that when we run on our party's core conservative principles we don't lose, but when we do what you say here, we do.

And to have someone who obviously doesn't read much Coulter accuse her of being a "perfect example" of the short-term payoff mentality, well. That's exactly the level of criticism Coulter routinely gets, and I understand perfectly why she simply ignores it.

Back to the real issue: Ann Coulter's wrong in trying to whitewash (sorry) or explain away obvious racism. It's wrong wherever it exists. Take those parts of her writing and toss 'em out. But don't throw it all out. It's too intelligent, too accurate and too funny for that.

403 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:47:10pm

re: #402 LynnfromNZ

Back to the real issue: Ann Coulter's wrong in trying to whitewash (sorry) or explain away obvious racism. It's wrong wherever it exists. Take those parts of her writing and toss 'em out. But don't throw it all out. It's too intelligent, too accurate and too funny for that.

I'm throwing it all out.

404 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:00:22pm
So the question is this: how do we, how does the party, how does CPAC react?

Jimmyhaha - at this point I'd react by GOING THE OTHER WAY if I saw her loping towards me at some event. :) I don't know if there's a word for what I am politically - Anti-Idiotarian Capitalist sounds good for now - but she ain't it.
And by calling people on it at least we make it known they don't speak for us.

Goodbye all, I have some errands I need to run - if I'm not back tonight I'll come by tomorrow!

405 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:09:46pm

re: #403 Charles

Well, that's your prerogative, of course. Sorry to hear it, but I did enjoy the discussion, thanks.

It's funny, I notice that the people willing to "throw it all out" over this issue are those who never cared much for her writing anyway. My feeling is this CCC issue isn't the real reason such people dislike her, but that it's given them a conveninet reason to loudly proclaim their dislike and rejection of her writing.

People like me, who do really enjoy reading her, aren't going to deny ourselves the pleasure just because we recognize she's imperfect. Heck, if I did that I'd have to stop reading everything except The Great Gatsby, the only perfect novel that's ever been written.

406 yochanan  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:10:12pm

re: #306 Charles

the climate has always changed if not Chicago would currently be under a half mile of ice.

the question isn't change per say but what to do about it if anything and what causes said change.

frankly I think most of the 'political rants' on climate change have more to do with politics and very little about science or climate.

407 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:13:08pm

re: #387 Chicago Blonde

I know what you mean, I used to live on the North Shore of Massachusetts, but nobody knows where Lynn is so I'd say I was living in Boston.

Save me a seat at a nice blues club on South Halstead. Man, I miss that.

408 yochanan  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:15:37pm

racism will always exist, and not only with white people, plenty of black racists as well.

problem is unless all forms of racism are wrong it will never go away.

the most racist place in America is inside it's jails and i am not talking about the guards.

409 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:18:21pm
410 theheat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:19:57pm

re: #391 LynnfromNZ

Had more pressing matters. Just returned and saw you were now throwing Lincoln in with Coulter. I see a couple others said, pretty much, what I would have.

But I'll add this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...

That was the proverbial acorn that finally bounced off Lincoln's bony head, nearly a hundred years after it was written. Despite the nation's history of slavery and inequality, Lincoln finally 'got it'. What's more, he acted on it. Bonus points for being the unpopular opinion of the day, I might add.

In 2009, what's Coulter's excuse - from 'f*ggots' to white supremacy?

411 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:22:56pm

re: #409 beaumandy

I have noticed over the years that people who are offended by Ann Coulter are for the most part weak conservatives. Yes, I said it.

I find that rationale weak-minded. Yes, I said it.

412 yochanan  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:28:46pm

having read a couple of ann books can i have my 3 hours back. frankly i don't think i learned anything from either of them.

the last one i got at a air port book shop which had a very limited book selection it was either ann's book or a romance novel frankly i think i made the wrong choice.

413 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:29:36pm

re: #409 beaumandy

I have noticed over the years that people who are offended by Ann Coulter are for the most part weak conservatives. Yes, I said it.

I have noticed over the years that people who knee-jerk to the defense of their favorite talking heads, even over the tiniest or most accurate criticisms, are weak minded conservatives, unable to tell the difference between a self-promoting shock monger and a real conservative pundit.

Hell, I'd even go so far as to say that those types aren't even conservative at all, as I consider lock-step icon worship (rather than using a critical eye and independent thought) to be antithetical to conservatism. There, I said that.

414 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:32:37pm

Throwing around insults is one of the quickest ways to lose your LGF account.

415 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:33:11pm

re: #413 Slumbering Behemoth

They are the ones who will whine endlessly about Obama's cult of personality, then spend hours defending her like she is some sort of goddess who is above criticism.

416 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:35:08pm

re: #415 MrPaulRevere

They are the ones who will whine endlessly about Obama's cult of personality, then spend hours defending her like she is some sort of goddess who is above criticism.

There are those who do the same for O'rly. Animal Farm Ideologues, not much thinking going on in their noggins.

417 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:37:01pm

re: #409 beaumandy

I'll go with VDH, or the style of Bill Buckley- taking on the left while still maintaining a level of decorum and civility while eviscerating the ideology they subscribe to. The only thing accomplished by Ann's rhetoric is giving the left a convenient brush with which to tar the right.

418 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:38:46pm

re: #416 Slumbering Behemoth

You should have seen the flame war over at Aces last night after I called her out. One would have thought I called their mothers a name. Just as I find Obama's cult of personality creepy, I find them all creepy.

419 Shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:51:25pm

I like to think as a conservative, we can see things as they are and not how we would like them. Ann Coulter is what she is and she supported a group that she should not even be associated with. That begs the question of her underlying beliefs. If we can see things for what they are, we have to question whether or not we share her beliefs based on the same principles. I'm against illegal aliens, but have no issue with people from places like latin America coming to America legally what so ever. That is not the same as being against illegal aliens, because they are latin American. The difference is huge.

420 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:57:24pm

Shane I have to say even before her offensive comments on Jews, the gay slur on Edwards, and this latest debacle I had soured on her, not that I ever gave her much credence to begin with. She just creeped me out, her voice, her demeanor, the whole package.

421 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:05:35pm

re: #410 theheat

She doesn't get any pass on the white supremacy from me. She explained the joke about Edwards and "faggot" at the time, re the Isaiah Washington controversy, but of course nobody listened.

I guess I could be more upset about that if I really tried. Fact is, given all the much worse things liberals call conservatives I really find it hard to get all when one conservative goes over the line once.

And frankly, when John Edwards immediately used it as a fundraising appeal on his Web site, donate money to me because I'm a victim -- some blonde girl called me a bad name, boo hoo hoo, he lost whatever sympathy I might have ever felt for him.

422 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:15:37pm

re: #417 Sharmuta

Perhaps you forget that Bill Buckley himself was as vituperative as Ann, if not more so. He called Jesse Jackson and "ignoramus" and said of Gore Vidal "We both acted irresponsibly. I'm not a Nazi, but he is, I suppose, a fag," and no conservatives got all hot and bothered about that.

423 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:15:38pm

re: #421 LynnfromNZ

Sorry Lynn, the 'liberals do it too' excuse is just too shallow. Let them clean their own house. The centrists and those on the center/right must do likewise.

424 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:20:45pm

re: #417 Sharmuta

Here's something else William F. Buckley, Jr. wrote and never renounced, Sharmuta:

"The central question that emerges . . . is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not prevail numerically? The sobering answer is Yes — the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is a fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists."

Oh my. Throw Bill under the bus with Ann too, right? He's just giving the left a convenient brush with which to tar the right, isn't he?

425 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:21:33pm

re: #423 MrPaulRevere

I know, I don't rely on that as a rationale. Just explaining why Ann's so refreshing once in a while -- she doesn't get her knickers all in a twist whenever a liberal pronounces himself "offended" by something she said.

426 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:29:27pm

re: #402 LynnfromNZ

Just amazing. Ann Coulter has been one of the very few -- I can't think of any others off the top of my head -- who has been utterly consistent in saying for the past eight years that Republicans need to take the long view, that we need to dispense with short-term politics, that when we run on our party's core conservative principles we don't lose, but when we do what you say here, we do.

And to have someone who obviously doesn't read much Coulter accuse her of being a "perfect example" of the short-term payoff mentality, well. That's exactly the level of criticism Coulter routinely gets, and I understand perfectly why she simply ignores it.

Back to the real issue: Ann Coulter's wrong in trying to whitewash (sorry) or explain away obvious racism. It's wrong wherever it exists. Take those parts of her writing and toss 'em out. But don't throw it all out. It's too intelligent, too accurate and too funny for that.

It makes me wonder what she considers the core principles of conservatism to be.

427 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:30:48pm

Quote mining Buckley? Give me the link to the entire piece. And, uh, Vidal is a homosexual.

428 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:32:37pm

Plus Buckley advocated tattooing those with AIDS on the butt. Name one thing Ann's advocated that's as offensive as that. Yet no conservative says oh, throw out all of Billy Buckley, do they? No, they realize what they should realize with Ann: Nobody's perfect, and sometimes smart people say and do stupid things.

429 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:32:58pm

re: #426 Salamantis

Read her and find out.

430 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:34:56pm

Your tu quoque won't work on me, Lynn. For the most part Mr Buckley wrote and spoke with dignity, and that's why I said his "style".

431 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:35:12pm

re: #421 LynnfromNZ

She doesn't get any pass on the white supremacy from me. She explained the joke about Edwards and "faggot" at the time, re the Isaiah Washington controversy, but of course nobody listened.

I guess I could be more upset about that if I really tried. Fact is, given all the much worse things liberals call conservatives I really find it hard to get all when one conservative goes over the line once.

And frankly, when John Edwards immediately used it as a fundraising appeal on his Web site, donate money to me because I'm a victim -- some blonde girl called me a bad name, boo hoo hoo, he lost whatever sympathy I might have ever felt for him.

Oooh, look! They do it, too! Or at least something like it! Or at least something I can call something like it! And that makes it all right when we do it!

The Tu Quoque Logical Fallacy, in all its illegitimate glory.

432 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:35:54pm

re: #427 Sharmuta

Sure. National Review, August 24, 1957, editorial titled “Why the South Must Prevail.”

Get back to me when you've read it and when you learn the relevant difference between "quoting" and "quote-mining," and when you learn that when you don't know what you're talking about you don't accuse someone of quote-mining.

433 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:39:10pm

re: #430 Sharmuta

Right. The only difference between Ann and Bill Buckley is Buckley used longer words and his jokes weren't as funny. Buckley was a master of invective, an absolute master, a fact some conservatives today try to ignore.

434 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:39:16pm

re: #429 LynnfromNZ

Read her and find out.

I've read enough of her articles online to recognize her as a snide, snotty, supercilious snark-monger. I don't need to buy her books and put money in her pocket and validate her cynical strategy.

435 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:40:38pm

re: #431 Salamantis

Show me where I said it was all right for conservatives to do it. I just said it doesn't bother me all that much.

436 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:42:26pm

re: #432 LynnfromNZ

Mr. Buckley quite appropriately later renounced his previous views. I doubt Coulter has the character to do what he did. She will double down, smear her critics, and make more offensive statements. For the life of me I do not understand the die-hard devotion to this odd woman.

437 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:43:00pm

re: #432 LynnfromNZ

Sure. National Review, August 24, 1957, editorial titled “Why the South Must Prevail.”

Get back to me when you've read it and when you learn the relevant difference between "quoting" and "quote-mining," and when you learn that when you don't know what you're talking about you don't accuse someone of quote-mining.

At the time, a 'white man's burden' variety of racism was the consensus position in BOTH parties. William F. Buckley, to his credit, evolved on that issue, even to the point of leading the way against it and tossing the racist and antisemitic Birchers out of the conservative movement.

52 years later, Ann Coulter has no such excuse.

438 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:44:29pm

re: #435 LynnfromNZ

Show me where I said it was all right for conservatives to do it. I just said it doesn't bother me all that much.

If whitewashing racists "doesn't bother you all that much", just exactly what WOULD substantially bother you?

439 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:52:18pm

re: #436 MrPaulRevere

Must've missed where he did so. I know he was still supporting apartheid well into the 1980s.

Now I happen to enjoy reading Buckley a lot, none of this is to throw him under the bus. It's just to wonder why we conservatives are willing to explain away and ignore his faults and blind spots so readily, but aren't with Ann.

Ann supports the CCC? "Give us Barabbas," they yell.

Buckley supported the John Birch Society? "Well," they say, "you have to understand the complex issues of the time, it's really not what it seems, he didn't support everything they said or did, he moderated his views later on, blah blah blah..."

440 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 5:54:37pm

re: #438 Salamantis

I have no idea what you're talking about. I nowhere mention whitewashing racists in the passage you quoted of mine of which you claim I said "And that makes it all right when we do it!"

441 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:23:19pm

re: #439 LynnfromNZ

Buckley supported the John Birch Society?

Uh, no- he didn't.

442 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:25:32pm

re: #440 LynnfromNZ

I have no idea what you're talking about. I nowhere mention whitewashing racists in the passage you quoted of mine of which you claim I said "And that makes it all right when we do it!"

The point is that whitewashing racists is precisely what Coulter did.

443 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:27:16pm

re: #439 LynnfromNZ

Must've missed where he did so. I know he was still supporting apartheid well into the 1980s.

Now I happen to enjoy reading Buckley a lot, none of this is to throw him under the bus. It's just to wonder why we conservatives are willing to explain away and ignore his faults and blind spots so readily, but aren't with Ann.

Ann supports the CCC? "Give us Barabbas," they yell.

Buckley supported the John Birch Society? "Well," they say, "you have to understand the complex issues of the time, it's really not what it seems, he didn't support everything they said or did, he moderated his views later on, blah blah blah..."

What part of "tossing the racist and antisemitic Birchers out of the conservative movement" could you not understand?

444 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:36:24pm

re: #442 Salamantis

And where did I say it doesn't bother me all that much, as you charge?

445 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:38:20pm

re: #443 Salamantis

The "Birchers" part, apparently.

446 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 6:46:10pm

re: #441 Sharmuta

He did in its younger years. He withdrew support later. But that's the point.

447 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:10:23pm

re: #444 LynnfromNZ

And where did I say it doesn't bother me all that much, as you charge?

Here:

re: #435 LynnfromNZ

Show me where I said it was all right for conservatives to do it. I just said it doesn't bother me all that much.

448 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:11:09pm

re: #446 LynnfromNZ

He did in its younger years. He withdrew support later. But that's the point.

No one can credibly claim that Coulter has youth as an excuse.

449 Gus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:15:33pm

While listening to Carl Zimmer discuss Charles Darwin on BloggingHeadsTV the subject of the Ann Coulter and her pseudo scientific theory on “Giant Flatulent Raccoon” came across my ears. Curious to this I found a blog written by Carl Zimmer regarding Ann Coulter’s “theory” which is discussed in her book, “Godless” dated July 10, 2006.

Clearly her defense of CCC or comparative defense of CCC is just one of many behavioral patterns on the part of Ms. Coulter which has been recorded in the past. She may in fact prove the theory that an organism of lesser intelligence can survive within a given environment. Unfortunately, she has been allowed to flourish within the conservative environment.

In conclusion I can assume that while Ms. Coulter speaks or writes that somewhere in her mind a giant raccoon is passing gas.

450 Rishonah  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:18:10pm

I constantly see the question asked, "Why do most Jews vote Democratic even though they know that the GOP is superior in its beliefs about both Jews and Israel?"

THIS IS THE REASON. Even though Israel is important to American Jews, including me, Israel is not the only important issue. Many Jews, again, including me, have learned that many Christian Evangelicals are far more complicated in their approach to Jews and Israel than the simple "in gathering, conversions and death to those who won't convert" stuff than we thought, and that many Evangelicals have rid themselves of much or all of their anti-Semitism and accept us and Israel as equals and not as somehow a different creation from themselves.

BUT, and this is so important, as long as people such as Ann Coulter and the CCC are associated with the GOP, Republicans will not get "the Jewish vote." I voted for Obama, even though I really, really, really didn't want to, because of people like Ann Coulter. Pat Buchanan is a Republican? Most Jews will cross the street to vote for a Democrat. Israel is very important to me, but life in America is even more important because my children live here, and they are more at risk from Pat Buchanan and his ilk than from the truly wretched Pastor Wright.

A man is known by the company he keeps. That is why I read LFG first thing every day. Charles Johnson has my respect because he does not bend his principles. If all of the GOP were like Charles, there would be many more Jews who would vote Republican. The white supremacists, the Christian supersecessionists, the people who oppose immigration on racial grounds (rather than for realistic, logical reasons), the people who refer to "The Jewish Lobby," if these people are not jettisoned from the GOP, and from the perception that they are Republicans, Jews en masse will never leave the Democrats.

You needn't mention all of the anti-Semites on the left. We are talking here about perceptions, and the breaking of generations of habits. For many people, including me, the Democrats are the lesser of two evils. Israel is not enough. Domestically,
the GOP looks worse to many Jews because of the Buchanans (Bay as well) and the Coulters, and, sorry to say, the Jindals. It is either or. Personally, I think that many on the left are worse than those on the right, but it doesn't LOOK that way, or SEEM that way. It is not fair, but it is reality.

451 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 7:25:03pm

re: #446 LynnfromNZ

He did in its younger years. He withdrew support later. But that's the point.

First- when a person realizes they may have made a mistake in supporting someone/thing in the past, they renounce it, back away from it and state so clearly. Are you going to try to tar Charles over robert spencer because he supported him in the past, but now has realized he wants nothing to do with him?

Second- what in Ann's past has she renounced? Apologized for? Anything?

You are desperate, and it's sad to watch.

452 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:27:03pm

re: #447 Salamantis

You're either not very smart or not very honest. Or a bad combination of the two.

453 kayfromcarroll  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:40:23pm

Welcome to all the new Lizardlets!

And remember...be careful out there...

454 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 8:47:34pm

re: #451 Sharmuta

Let me know when you've read that National Review editorial he wrote and tell me if I was "quote-mining," as you said I was.

455 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:04:20pm

re: #452 LynnfromNZ

You're either not very smart or not very honest. Or a bad combination of the two.

At least, unlike you, I remember what I wrote. And I remembered what you wrote, too.

456 Salamantis  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:07:04pm

re: #454 LynnfromNZ

Let me know when you've read that National Review editorial he wrote and tell me if I was "quote-mining," as you said I was.

Buckley was 32 when he wrote that. He changed. Coulter is 48. She hasn't.

457 gman  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:12:51pm

re: #454 LynnfromNZ

Let me know when you've read that National Review editorial he wrote and tell me if I was "quote-mining," as you said I was.

Let me know when you start posting links to your articles instead of expecting everyone to believe everything you say right from the get go.
You're going to have to earn your credibility around here.

458 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:05:14pm

re: #457 gman

Is it too hard for you to go look it up? Or do you just not want to admit that I'm right?

459 LynnfromNZ  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 10:23:01pm

re: #457 gman

Actually I'm sorry about my first response, I apologize, it's wrong of me to take it for granted that everybody has the level of technological sophistication necessary to go to [Link: www.google.com,...] put "National Review, August 24, 1957 editorial" in the search and hit "Google Search." I'm annoyed by people who presume I possess their specialist knowledge, sorry for doing that to you.

Here's the link to a reprint of it, there are some typos but nothing important: [Link: www.j-bradford-delong.net...]

Now, the way to handle a "link" is to put your computer's "cursor," that blinky thing that moves whenever you move the mouse, over top of what's underlined, and "click" the mouse, and it will take you to the page.

Let me know if you need any more help looking up stuff online.

460 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:31:46pm

LynnfromNZ, I am curious to know why you are so deeply invested in the Image of Ann, and why you defend her to such an extent. I am fairly certain that her concern for you extends only as far as how many of her products you buy, and I doubt she gives a flick about how closely you pucker your lips to her posterior. So, what's your motivation?

461 Infidelica  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:57:56pm

long time reader, first time to comment.

What is happening to this place? Slowly, over the last year or so, Charles has turned to boring ruminations about almost any topic, almost as though he is trying to break out of his pedantic focus on Islam. I just don't get it. Once a fairly serious website focused on islamist indiscretions, has become way too much like a thinking man's The View for me.

It's very weird to go from being a grateful daily reader, to feeling like I'm at a party where everyone is speaking a rare Norwegian dialect.

462 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:26:00am

re: #461 Infidelica

long time reader, first time to comment.

What is happening to this place? Slowly, over the last year or so, Charles has turned to boring ruminations about almost any topic, almost as though he is trying to break out of his pedantic focus on Islam. I just don't get it. Once a fairly serious website focused on islamist indiscretions, has become way too much like a thinking man's The View for me.

It's very weird to go from being a grateful daily reader, to feeling like I'm at a party where everyone is speaking a rare Norwegian dialect.

This is an anti-idiotarian website. Charles focuses attention on idiotarians of all stripes, not just Islamofascist ones.

463 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:30:31am

re: #461 Infidelica

long time reader, first time to comment.

What is happening to this place? Slowly, over the last year or so, Charles has turned to boring ruminations about almost any topic, almost as though he is trying to break out of his pedantic focus on Islam. I just don't get it. Once a fairly serious website focused on islamist indiscretions, has become way too much like a thinking man's The View for me.

It's very weird to go from being a grateful daily reader, to feeling like I'm at a party where everyone is speaking a rare Norwegian dialect.


Even weirder, you've been registered for just barely over a year, and this is your first comment. Ever. That's weird.

464 Infidelica  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:37:19am

re: #463 Slumbering Behemoth

Even weirder, you've been registered for just barely over a year, and this is your first comment. Ever. That's weird.

Yes, I mentioned that. I've never been one to comment much on blogs.

465 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:38:03am

re: #463 Slumbering Behemoth

Even weirder, you've been registered for just barely over a year, and this is your first comment. Ever. That's weird.

PIMF! Just barely over TWO years. Even weirder.

466 Infidelica  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:43:10am

re: #465 Slumbering Behemoth

PIMF! Just barely over TWO years. Even weirder.

Sorry, I'm not following you. It's probably a good idea for me to refrain from posting.

467 LynnfromNZ  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:00:26am

re: #460 Slumbering Behemoth

You really don't sound like anybody I could hope to have an intelligent exchange with, so I'll pass, thanks.

468 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:39:58am

re: #467 LynnfromNZ

You really don't sound like anybody I could hope to have an intelligent exchange with, so I'll pass, thanks.

No exchange necessary, intelligent or otherwise. I am just curious to know what your motivations are for defending this particular talking head as prolifically as you have here.

As I said previously, why are you so invested? What is your motivation? Can you address these questions, which I have posed to you in a previous post, or will you simply dismiss me again with the feeble excuse that my intellect is too small for you to reason with?

Right now, I smell the stink of an elitist, leftist, 'intellectual' on you. Please, do something to prove my assumptions wrong.

469 LynnfromNZ  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:07:38am

re: #468 Slumbering Behemoth

All anybody who genuinely wants to know what you say you want to know would have to do to learn it is read everything I've written in this thread. To an intelligent person it's perfectly clear what I think of Ann Coulter, and I even say in more than one place why I'm on this thread writing these things.

470 gman  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 7:32:17am

re: #459 LynnfromNZ

Actually I'm sorry about my first response, I apologize, it's wrong of me to take it for granted that everybody has the level of technological sophistication necessary to go to [Link: www.google.com,...] put "National Review, August 24, 1957 editorial" in the search and hit "Google Search." I'm annoyed by people who presume I possess their specialist knowledge, sorry for doing that to you.

Here's the link to a reprint of it, there are some typos but nothing important: [Link: www.j-bradford-delong.net...]

Now, the way to handle a "link" is to put your computer's "cursor," that blinky thing that moves whenever you move the mouse, over top of what's underlined, and "click" the mouse, and it will take you to the page.

Let me know if you need any more help looking up stuff online.

Thanks for the lesson and please continue posting those links in the future.

471 essayons7  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:22:59am

re: 317

Yup, 12B (for those that understand this kind of stuff). 1982-1988.

472 LynnfromNZ  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:59:13am

re: #470 gman

Yes, Google's a difficult technology to master, anytime you need help just give a shout.

473 gman  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:31:51am

re: #472 LynnfromNZ

Yes, Google's a difficult technology to master, anytime you need help just give a shout.

474 gman  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:39:26am

re: #472 LynnfromNZ

Yes, Google's a difficult technology to master, anytime you need help just give a shout.

Who said anything about Google being hard to master?
I said thanks for the lesson. It didn't mean anything more than that.
You are an amusing troll. See ya on another thread.

475 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:05:15pm

re: #469 LynnfromNZ

All anybody who genuinely wants to know what you say you want to know would have to do to learn it is read everything I've written in this thread. To an intelligent person it's perfectly clear what I think of Ann Coulter, and I even say in more than one place why I'm on this thread writing these things.

Yeah, because you like how she rips leftists so much that you're willing to give her a pass on whitewashing racists.

476 LynnfromNZ  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:21:14pm

re: #474 gman

Sorry, nothing personal meant. I had fun with it. The problem with these posts is you lose all the verbal inflections.

477 yy  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:02:11pm

re: #380 Charles

I appreciate your clarification and apologize if my comment was not clear (perhaps I wrote it too quickly).

I don't recall you ever writing that you blame religion, but did find some of the articles quoted or linked to be a bit hostile. Perhaps I'm oversensitive.

Just to clarify my position, which may not be clear from my previous comment: When an idiot like Coulter or complete scum like Buchanan get up there and claim to represent the religious right, I feel my skin crawling. I'm glad you call them out, because they deserve it. I just want everyone to understand that at least one person on the "religious right" finds its offensive that Coulter and Buchanan are considered to be a voice for conservatives, or, more particularly, the religious right.

That's it. Thanks again for your post.


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