I guess we all saw where that last thread was headed ;>}

Pat Robertson is an apocalypse-predictor. And, based on that, I am commanded to ignore him.

I'm supposed to go to bed right now.

so much for Free Will.

I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.

-Barry Goldwater

This has to be the quickest I have seen threads go up. Overdrive or what?

re: #3 ggt

I'm supposed to go to bed right now.

so much for Free Will.

And all this time I thought Saint Paul was discussing the implications of Free Willie.

I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God. You just rejected him from your city,
-Pat Robertson

Classy guy.

Typical. Falwell blaming both God and people for death and destruction.

re: #7 Racer X

Classy guy.

Yeah. He said "Dover," but he meant to say "Berkeley".

I'm just glad he left the strippers out of this. They just looking to make a buck, and they make me smile ;>}

/

Ouch.

So many threads.

So little time.

re: #8 Gus 802

In the sense that a parent allows a child to fall off a bicycle, it's valid.

But that doesn't allow humanity to stand in judgment of the Lord.

...God will not be mocked.

Wanna bet?

Going back to the Pakistan thread to start from the top.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Wanna bet?

Only the survivors may take that bet.

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Here is your first reminder. LOST, Wed. night. By the way, I just finished "Foucault's Pendulum" yesterday (recommended reading by Jim Powell for this season of lost), and I can see many ways in which the show uses intertexual references to this book.

And of course, you've seen the pendulum device that Ms. Hawking is using to find a "window" to the islands location. If interested, google the Navel of the Earth. This all also has something to do with a "hollow earth" theory, which is something I thought may be part of the plot since day one.

Another book Powell recommended for this season is "A Briefer History of Time" which I will start next.

I hate getting up and seeing overnight threads posted, makes me even more tired. Stupid time zones.

I don't know whether God gets angry with abortions, but it makes me queasy.

Reposted from an earlier thread today:

It's Not Fair!

A growing number of "elites," including Bill Clinton, are calling for a return of the "fairness doctrine" to talk radio, a sure indication that Congress and the new President will soon be taking on this issue.

Supporters of the "fairness doctrine" are actually evading the only way to achieve true "fairness" in a free society: To come up with a better product. For several decades now, talented but unsuccessful left-wing broadcasters have attempted to please their audiences on the scale Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and others have pleased theirs. It hasn't worked. Their product didn't sell. Nobody listened.

In talk radio, the product for sale is ideas. The left-wing politicians who, up to now, cannot sell their ideas, are now attempting to do the next best thing: Prevent the ideas that DO sell from being offered for sale. They know they can't openly come out for censorship, so they call for laws and regulations to require broadcasters to do the impossible: To sell what doesn't sell. In practice, this means either broadcasting what nobody will listen to (at a loss, since there will be no advertisers), or getting rid of the shows and ideas that do sell and replace them with—-you guessed it—the speeches and ideas of politicians who support the "fairness doctrine."

If a young child loses when playing a game, you'll sometimes see him throw the game pieces into the air, screaming, "Not fair!" This is the earliest known demand for a "fairness doctrine." When that child grows up and acquires the power of coercion, watch closely what's about to emerge in Congress.

As a noteworthy postscript, it will be interesting to see how far the government gets in spreading this blatantly obvious attempt at censorship, lurking behind the feel-good word "fairness." They'll probably get what they want on conventional (terrestrial) radio, unless a furious legal battle is waged--and won--by the Rush Limbaughs of the world.

Of course, now the liberal censorship fun begins: What about cable and satellite broadcasts? What about the Internet? Will government go after those too? How would that work and look in practice? Will there be a central server in Washington DC, and everything written for the Internet will have to go through some bureaucrat's office for approval?

I'd like to hear these politicians defend why it's constitutional to stifle one area of broadcast, but not another. Indeed, if they think that all forms of human association and contact are subject to government restrictions and control, they should be forced to disclose that opinion. After all, it's only fair.

I do not blame gays or lesbians or abortionists or the ACLU(I have other reasons to dislike them) or the feminists for that matter, for the attacks on 9/11.

While I diagree with gay marriage, and I'd like to see abortion as a thing of the past I do not blame them for 9/11

My blame for 9/11 goes to the RADICAL ISLAMISTS WITH THEIR TWISTED IDEOLOGLY, WHO FLEW THE PLANES INTO OUR FUCKING BUILDINGS.

Hey it's the over night drinking thread, who needs a re-fill?

/sorry for the yelling

re: #20 gmsc

If a young child loses when playing a game, you'll sometimes see him throw the game pieces into the air, screaming, "Not fair!"

But it's not fair!

re: #19 pat

I think He's more likely to be saddened.

— Jerry Falwell, speaking to Pat Robertson immediately after the 9/11 attacks

Of course, a claim like this requires more than just text, or it could be fake. Something like audio, or video; a recording that is concrete proof. Otherwise, this is just hearsay.

OH, HAI!

re: #17 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. I might pick up Foucault's Pendulum, i'm starting to run low on reading material

re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh boy. Now I get the visual once again. He starts off with the ACLU.

The man was a fool along with Robertson.

Bizarre incident at work today: I saw a guy, with a T-shirt featuring a dollar sign (3-D, almost like the Quicken logo, but different in style) and the caption "CAPITALISM", who was walking by. A black teenager (older teen, like 18-19 or so) chastised him for being against 0bama, and this yelling continued out my sight (thank goodness), with the guy in the CAPITALISM T-shirt doing his best to ignore it.

Now, I know very little about the situation, and whether they even knew each other before this. However, I couldn't help seeing it as an 0bama supporter being offended by a CAPITALISM T-shirt.

Running through my mind were things like, "Well, yeah, if someone suports capitalism, it's a good bet they're not an 0bama supporter. What does that tell you?"

Here's the video, embedded:

re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth
There's anew GTA 4 expansion pack. something about bikers.

re: #14 Killgore Trout...

God will not be mocked.

Wanna bet?

Sure. : )

Christopher Hitchens on Jerry Falwell

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Wanna bet?

Ironically, the source of the idea that God can not be mocked is probably:

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. (Galatians 6:7 (New International Version))

Which, if you look up the context, is often used by preachers to convince the congregation that they need to tithe (in some sense of that word) to support the preacher. I would not be surprised if both Falwell and Robertson used it in that manner.

I for one think that...

This Nation that some of us still call ..."America!"

Buy LOTS more ammo for the firearms you are now spending alot more time at the range then you were spending...O four years ago!

Am I being too harsh?

re: #28 Charles

It's a shame that secularism has gotten such a bad rap from conservatives.

More Coulterbots are showing up in the two Coulter threads.

re: #32 Gus 802

Christopher Hitchens on Jerry Falwell

[Video]

That just brings up too many gay images. I iz going to have nightmares

re: #33 freetoken

Which, if you look up the context, is often used by preachers to convince the congregation that they need to tithe (in some sense of that word) to support the preacher. I would not be surprised if both Falwell and Robertson used it in that manner.

Interesting. I've never heard it used that way. Seems pretty cut and dried, to me.

Time for evening cocoa

re: #37 Neo Con since 9-11

Oh. Ha... that's funny. He even says "chubby little flanks" about Falwell.

re: #22 Scion9

But it's not fair!

I haven't spent too much time with post-1992 video games and game consoles, so I found this info about cheating AI interesting - especially using the fact that games cheat at higher levels as a selling point!

All the talk of perceiving things as being rigged against you reminded me of this essay:

Gambling with Reality

Ah, the thrill of winning! You just know it’s not random chance. It’s your own magic, bending reality in your favor. The jackpot comes to you, not just anybody.

But then, there’s losing. How cruel of reality to withhold its favors. How unjust! The game must be rigged.

That’s life for those who live by luck: way up when reality does them the favors they deserve; way down when reality is rigged against them.

That’s also life for subjectivists – those who live by making demands. When their demands are met, it’s because of their charisma and moral force. When their demands are not met, it’s because things are rigged against them.

The theory behind living by demands is the theory behind gambling. It is the subjective theory that life consists not of you conforming to reality, but of reality conforming to you. Whenever it happens to conform, you win. When it does not happen to conform, you lose.

If you don’t buy insurance, and your house burns down, you could demand help from your neighbors. If you get it, that’s a win. If you don’t get it, that’s a social injustice. You gambled twice: once on the safety of your house, once on the generosity of your neighbors.

If you’re in the wrong lane on the freeway, you could wait for an opening, or just cut in at random. That would be gambling on the alertness of drivers. An angry gesture is a win. A broken bumper is a loss.

If you neglect study, and get a bad grade, you could protest and demand a grade change. That would make learning your lesson a loss, and proceeding in ignorance a win.

To judge if this is a practical way to live, ask if there are more rich gamblers, or more rich casino owners. When life is winning or losing by luck, it’s mostly losing.

Subjectivists do not think of themselves as gamblers, but as victims struggling to get correct conformity from a stubborn and unjust reality. Gamblers think of themselves that way also. Intellectually, they tell themselves that reality will not do their bidding. Emotionally, they are back home ordering their parents around.

Gambling as a way of life is like guessing as a way of knowledge — a feeble stab at the real thing. For certainty that you know what you’re doing, it substitutes hope that things will turn out. If they don’t, you can always try reason.

re: #33 freetoken

Tithing is for chumps and rubes. There's a tither born every second.

This is the most disgusting thing I have seen all week.

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Tithing is for chumps and rubes. There's a tither born every second.

I tithe, but to my brokerage account, not my church.

re: #36 Charles

Mr.Johnson,

Did you get any flooding out your way today? I added extra Sand-bags and they held just fine...

re: #30 Killgore Trout

There's anew GTA 4 expansion pack. something about bikers.

It's called "Lost and Damned", and is supposed to be a $20 DLC (Down Loaded Content?). The trailer looks pretty cool. If I knew more about it I would be ok with forking over a Jackson, but I also would be motivated to know about it if it was sold in stores, hard copy.

I don't have a credit card, so I don't do DLC. I also am not comfortable with buying something that only exists in the Land of Ones and Zeros. I want hard copies.

re: #39 Afrocity

Time for evening cocoa

Make it a big one. It'll be a long night. : )

Personally I am always amazed when a Christian preacher-type claims that America was or is a special thing to God in the first place.
Forget about His turning His back on America now because of this or that.
If these preachers knew their Bible they would know that God has no special country on earth anymore, only individual persons who please Him out of EVERY nation.
I feel sorry for Christians who think being in America can save them.
I feel sorry for the Falwell's and Roberson's who teach their flocks such tripe.

re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth

I figure I'll have to wait for 6 months to a year for it to some out for pc,

"The problem with Americans is they have this self-image of 'We're so nice, we're so fair, we're so honest, we always take the high road.' If only it were true, this would be Heaven on earth, but it's not true. And when you see 240 million people willingly deluding themselves with this idea that they're somehow God's chosen people..."
-Frank Zappa

Yep. Here they come on the dead threads. As usual.

Might as well apply the fairness doctorine to sports. It's not fair that I typically root for the Red Sox for 9 whole innings (barring extra-innings) or Bruins for three periods (barring overtime or a shootout)...so with the new fairness doctorine in place when the Yankees and Red Sox meet this year, I would be required to root for the Red Sox for the first three innings, the Yankees for innings 4 thru 6 then back to the Red Sox for innings seven thru nine. That way, the fairness doctorine ensures that the Yankees get 33% more representation for each 9 innings...

re: #27 gmsc

Bizarre incident at work today: I saw a guy, with a T-shirt featuring a dollar sign (3-D, almost like the Quicken logo, but different in style) and the caption "CAPITALISM", who was walking by. A black teenager (older teen, like 18-19 or so) chastised him for being against 0bama, and this yelling continued out my sight (thank goodness), with the guy in the CAPITALISM T-shirt doing his best to ignore it.

Now, I know very little about the situation, and whether they even knew each other before this. However, I couldn't help seeing it as an 0bama supporter being offended by a CAPITALISM T-shirt.

Running through my mind were things like, "Well, yeah, if someone suports capitalism, it's a good bet they're not an 0bama supporter. What does that tell you?"

It used to be that people would rarely admit to being socialists. Now you can't swing a cat in places like DU without hitting one, and without running into somebody with a Marx avatar (and I'm not talking about Groucho).

Before the election, Obama himself mocked people for calling him a socialist...but it sounds from your story like at least some of his supporters believe that was a bluff.

Hola, Honcos. Just getting in and waiting for a flight that was due four hours ago...nasty weather.

OMG Just checked out the thread two down. Unreal.

1 THOUSAND and 87 pages (cept what queen plastic face nancy crept in with her THC laced ruby tipped claws...YA THINK?

x-cuz me while I dial in...but DO kiss the ring...you WILL KISS THE RING!

How Will He Die? - Hamas mascot death watch

Slow night. So, who came out in larger numbers? Reagan Democrats or the Moral Majority minions?

re: #48 mean Gene

re: #53 capitalist piglet

It used to be that people would rarely admit to being socialists. Now you can't swing a cat in places like DU without hitting one, and without running into somebody with a Marx avatar (and I'm not talking about Groucho).

Before the election, Obama himself mocked people for calling him a socialist...but it sounds from your story like at least some of his supporters believe that was a bluff.

Like I said - I have no idea of the full context of this. Maybe they know each other, and one just found out that the other didn't support 0bama, and the T-shirt had nothing to do with it. Maybe they were doing some stupid performance/joke, like when those people in Grand Central Station all froze. Maybe it was something else entirely.

All I can tell you is how I saw it. I don't doubt that there are 0bama supporters out there who do favor socialism.

re: #49 Killgore Trout

I figure I'll have to wait for 6 months to a year for it to some out for pc,

The major bonuses to that is that you'll more than likely have a pc powerful enough to run it without problems, all (or most) of the bugs will be addressed, and you'll likely pay a much lower price for the product.

There are some benefits to not buying things the second they hit the store shelf.

re: #56 Dustyvet

How Will He Die? - Hamas mascot death watch

[Video]

Simple: It will be the fault of DA JOOOS!

re: #48 mean Gene

I have to respectfully disagree. I can cast aside whether my faith in God has anything to do with your argument. I do believe that the USA is the last hope for this Earth to peacefully survive.

re: #61 gmsc

Simple: It will be the fault of DA JOOOS!

The video is a hoot...

re: #61 gmsc

Simple: It will be the fault of DA JOOOS!

Yeah, the details may vary but that'll be the cause.

re: #51 Charles

Sorry, not, sorry , you own this do you not?

Hmmm, I wonder what prompted this change:

Facebook reassures users in wake of service terms change

Facebook on Monday said it is not usurping users' content despite changing service terms to claim "perpetual worldwide license" to anything posted at the social-networking website.

Changes to terms of service were necessary to keep in step with how people share pictures, comments and other information in the popular online community, according to Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg.

"We wouldn't share your information in a way you wouldn't want," Zuckerberg said in an online posting addressing concerns.

"The trust you place in us as a safe place to share information is the most important part of what makes Facebook work."

Under the terms of service, Facebook has rights to freely use anything people add to the website even after members delete material or close accounts.

"It is common language in every website because their cut-throat lawyer says you need to cover yourself," said Future of Privacy Forum director Jules Polonetsky.

"This doesn't mean that Facebook can make a mini-series on your life or write a book about you, but they might be able to create a feed that lets your friends on Twitter know what you're doing. Folks should just calm down."

re: #62 x-wing

I have to respectfully disagree. I can cast aside whether my faith in God has anything to do with your argument. I do believe that the USA is the last hope for this Earth to peacefully survive.

That is entirely different from it being God's special country, my friend.
I agree with you on the USA being earth's last hope through man to peacefully survive.
But faith in God transcends what country you were born in.
And integrity-keeping is the same all over the planet.
And God looks favorably on all who choose to live following His Son's footsteps.

re: #64 mean Gene

Yeah, the details may vary but that'll be the cause.

Let me see. Farfour the Mouse was killed by the black Zionist dude when he refused to give up his grandfather's land.

Nahoul the Bee starved to death.

Assud the Wabbit was killed during the recent unpleasantness in Gaza.

Nassur...

re: #41 gmsc

I haven't spent too much time with post-1992 video games and game consoles

I think pre-92 games are probably worse for being cheating bastards than new ones. I'm sure the artificially difficult AI was both a function of limited memory to program said AI, and that most game design was built around sucking quarters out of your pockets.

Now that the designers no longer have a monetary incentive to see players fail, and greater resources in making a genuinely authentic computer opponent that is bound by internally consistent rules I don't see as much cheating bastard type programming. It still does happen though, although I have a feeling that deadlines and talent may be a factor there.

Nassur...
a tunnel cave in?

re: #62 x-wing

F'N "A" and I'll break out the J W BLUE on that...

*SNORT*

I'm watching the local news, and they're covering a memorial for a high school student that recently died. When it came time to show the dead student's picture, they showed Vice President's Biden's picture instead!

They quickly switched it after 3 seconds and apologized.

Why tithe when you can pay taxes?
It's the governments job to help the poor.
Why have religion to teach morality?
It's the governments job to teach us what is right.

/we're all gunna have ice cream and get laid!

re: #67 mean Gene

Got ya, I didn't catch the context of your last post.

/must read slower

re: #71 Nightwatch

F'N "A" and I'll break out the J W BLUE on that...

Morning/Evening Lizards of the Night.

Please save me a dram of JW Blue. One of my favorites.

re: #73 IslandLibertarian

Shudder...OH! SSSORRRYYY!..."DA!"

re: #2 victor_yugo

Pat Robertson is an apocalypse-predictor. And, based on that, I am commanded to ignore him.

But...he said there were missiles in Cuba, man! Doesn't that mean something? //

re: #75 Erik The Red

Busting the rock glass to your 10-97 and will fill above the ice...:)

re: #69 Scion9

What drives AI is sheer raw computing power, not memory. The faster the program can calculate, the better the AI can be. Programmers used to make AI cheat because there simply were not enough clock cycles to do AI and also drive the graphics engine.

Gold's approaching $960 an ounce- thank you, President 0bama. Looks like the commodities have sounded off on your stimulus bill...

I have work tomorrow--going to bed.

Night, all.

God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say “you helped this happen.”

That doesn't even make any sense. How are pagans trying to "secularize" America? Pagans are religious. They want to promote religion just as much as Jerry does. It's just that -- it's a different religion. I guess any religion that isn't Jerry's particular brand of Christianity counts as diabolical secularism. And feminists -- in what way are they inherently "secular"? There are plenty of religious feminists. And there are Christian gays (lots of 'em -- there are big all-gay churches in San Francisco).

Etc. etc.

Jerry Falwell is the Christian equivalent of Ward Churchill -- both of these jerks blamed 9/11 on purported evildoers in America.

re: #78 Nightwatch

Busting the rock glass to your 10-97 and will fill above the ice...:)

Thanks LOL.

re: #73 IslandLibertarian

Why tithe when you can pay taxes?
It's the governments job to help the poor.
Why have religion to teach morality?
It's the governments job to teach us what is right.

/we're all gunna have ice cream and get laid!

I'm putting my money in taxes. I know they're going up!

srmoss has been serially stealth downdinging me on the nirther thread, without posting a single comment.

”PORTLAND - Five Oregon state lawmakers want to impose a hefty tax on beer and have introduced a bill that brewers say would cripple them.”

“Four Portland legislators joined a Springfield senator to introduce Oregon House Bill 2461, which would impose a $49.61 tax on each barrel of beer produced by Oregon brewers.”

“House Bill 2461 has been introduced by Portland Reps. Ben Cannon and Michael Dembrow, Portland Sens. Jackie Dingfelder and Diane Rosenbaum, and Springfield Sen. William Morrisette.”

re: #82 zombie

I really don't see a whole lot of difference when Falwell speaks and when some jag-off Islamic Mullah speaks. Both want to change the world to suit their religious vision.

re: #73 IslandLibertarian

You can have my share of the ice cream, I want a double helping of the other stuff.

re: #80 Fenway_Nation

Gold's approaching $960 an ounce- thank you, President 0bama.

Except when it's minted into 1 oz Obama coins. Then it's worth 9.6¢ an ounce.

re: #85 Salamantis

srmoss has been serially stealth downdinging me on the nirther thread, without posting a single comment.

I hate that. Someone I've never seen before down-dinged me for pointing out Ann Coulter has man hands.

Well, I'll upding you to make up for it.

re: #87 FurryOldGuyJeans

I really don't see a whole lot of difference when Falwell Rev. Wright speaks and when some jag-off Islamic Mullah speaks. Both want to change the world to suit their religious vision.

I was thinking of making a board game a little like Trivial pursuit where the users had to figure out if a vile, anti-semitic or anti-American quote was from a Hezbollah spokesperson or Rev. Jerimiah Wright...

re: #85 Salamantis

srmoss has been serially stealth downdinging me on the nirther thread, without posting a single comment.

/thanks for sharing

re: #36 Charles

If they are dinging me down with commenting I'm gonna be pissed. I took enough guff from those idiots over at Ace's.

re: #86 Dustyvet

”PORTLAND - Five Oregon state lawmakers want to impose a hefty tax on beer and have introduced a bill that brewers say would cripple them.”

“Four Portland legislators joined a Springfield senator to introduce Oregon House Bill 2461, which would impose a $49.61 tax on each barrel of beer produced by Oregon brewers.”

“House Bill 2461 has been introduced by Portland Reps. Ben Cannon and Michael Dembrow, Portland Sens. Jackie Dingfelder and Diane Rosenbaum, and Springfield Sen. William Morrisette.”

It's only a 1,900% tax increase. What's the problem with that? Oregonians keep electing far Left Dems they should expect this.

re: #82 zombie

GOD is GOD. Just that some of us don't get it right...but we keep trying

...cause we want to GET that GOD is GOD!

Night to ya all...back to the EVILS of wine for me...

re: #90 capitalist piglet

I hate that. Someone I've never seen before down-dinged me for pointing out Ann Coulter has man hands.

Well, I'll upding you to make up for it.

She does, but the rest of the package is mostly attractive.

Some people just have no sense of proportion.

re: #89 zombie

Except when it's minted into 1 oz Obama coins. Then it's worth 9.6¢ an ounce.

/Obama coins hawked by Montel Williams a ripoff? Well... duh!

re: #86 Dustyvet

Ok, first I'm glad I don't live in Oregon, and second,how much beer is in a barrel?

re: #97 Killian Bundy

/Obama coins hawked by Montel Williams a ripoff? Well... duh!

That's what I was referring to.

re: #80 Fenway_Nation

Gold's approaching $960 an ounce- thank you, President 0bama. Looks like the commodities have sounded off on your stimulus bill...

So he's already besting one of Carter's records; meanwhile, our illustrious former peanut-farmer-in-chief is sounding off on Tavis Smiley, and has said that Republicans voted against the Stimulus because they were threatened with loss of committee seats and other sanctions by Republican party leadership, and weren't representing the people's will.

re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth

You can have my share of the ice cream, I want a double helping of the other stuff.

You'll have to make your request to your block captain where the peoples appropriation committee will review and decide if you get either.
Promises are one thing, furnishing product is another.

/rainbow-unicorn economics 101

re: #91 Fenway_Nation

Falwell sure has spouted a few anti-American remarks in his day, so you "correcting" what I said I find patently offensive.

re: #92 Killian Bundy

/thanks for sharing

Who's Ingiskahn? He/she/it just down dinged you.

re: #98 x-wing

how much beer is in a barrel?

/31 US gallons

re: #103 x-wing

Who's Ingiskahn? He/she/it just down dinged you.

/like I give a [expletive deleted]

re: #97 Killian Bundy

Bwa-hahahahahahahaha! I love it...

re: #98 x-wing

Ok, first I'm glad I don't live in Oregon, and second,how much beer is in a barrel?

No idea really, but I figure if those idiots running Chicago get wind of this...

re: #94 FurryOldGuyJeans

It's only a 1,900% tax increase. What's the problem with that? Oregonians keep electing far Left Dems they should expect this.

Gosh! When I lived in Southern Oregon we had to make midnight runs to California to bring back a case or 2 (maybe a few more) of Coors!

re: #96 FurryOldGuyJeans

Come now gentlemen... a BABE with NEO-CON Pit-Bull like Jaws

AND she shoots big bore?

re: #86 Dustyvet

”PORTLAND - Five Oregon state lawmakers want to impose a hefty tax on beer and have introduced a bill that brewers say would cripple them.”

“Four Portland legislators joined a Springfield senator to introduce Oregon House Bill 2461, which would impose a $49.61 tax on each barrel of beer produced by Oregon brewers.”

“House Bill 2461 has been introduced by Portland Reps. Ben Cannon and Michael Dembrow, Portland Sens. Jackie Dingfelder and Diane Rosenbaum, and Springfield Sen. William Morrisette.”

Why are they trying to drive business out of their state? I just don't get these politicians. Microbreweries are quite popular down there, I think.

re: #86 Dustyvet

”PORTLAND - Five Oregon state lawmakers want to impose a hefty tax on beer and have introduced a bill that brewers say would cripple them.”

“Four Portland legislators joined a Springfield senator to introduce Oregon House Bill 2461, which would impose a $49.61 tax on each barrel of beer produced by Oregon brewers.”

“House Bill 2461 has been introduced by Portland Reps. Ben Cannon and Michael Dembrow, Portland Sens. Jackie Dingfelder and Diane Rosenbaum, and Springfield Sen. William Morrisette.”

$49.61! That's how much it costs for a 1/2 keg of Schlitz right now . . .
Founding father Benjamin Franklin said that "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." Have these Democrats no knowledge of history, no shame . . . no fun? What's next? A pee tax so they can get it coming and going (just like corporate taxes, payroll and dividend do?)

re: #102 FurryOldGuyJeans

Falwell sure has spouted a few anti-American remarks in his day, so you "correcting" what I said I find patently offensive.

Falwell gets called out on it on a regular basis. Wright more or less gets to skate away unscathed. I find that even more patently offensive.

re: #104 Killian Bundy

/31 US gallons

Not after my old biker buddies have it for a while...

re: #97 Killian Bundy

The local Walgreens pharmacy is the "Seen it on TV" huckster joint. Even they can't get rid of all the "Obama Commerative" effluent.

No sales tax in Oregon?

re: #111 woodsman

Benjamin Franklin said that "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

so...you're sayin' Ben Franklin was an alcoholic creationist?

re: #115 Gus 802

Only an income tax. Washington State politicians wants to follow the progressive path of California to double tax residents by adding an income tax to the sales tax.

re: #101 IslandLibertarian

Promises are one thing, furnishing product is another.

Shit! Does that mean I'll have to double-up my standing order of rhino horn and tiger testicles?
/

re: #98 x-wing

Ok, first I'm glad I don't live in Oregon, and second,how much beer is in a barrel?

There are 220 12 oz glasses of beer in a 1/2 keg - that is with a house head (3/4 inch of foam) give or take a drip.

re: #67 mean Gene

That is entirely different from it being God's special country, my friend.
I agree with you on the USA being earth's last hope through man to peacefully survive.
But faith in God transcends what country you were born in.
And integrity-keeping is the same all over the planet.
And God looks favorably on all who choose to live following His Son's footsteps.

If you will permit me to make an observation. I have always felt that the greatest catastrophe that ever befell the Church was when Constantine made it the official state religion. But for that, the Church would not have been the only organized institution to step into the power vacuum created with the fall of Rome. It took more than a thousand years for the Church to get back to where I think God meant it to be all along-- personal communion between man and his Maker.

And, it took several revolutions in England on the issue of which faith must the supreme executive embrace--and consequently the nation--to create the seedbed for our Establishment Clause. This country was made so that men could pursue not only their own secular, but spiritual courses. Above all, that is the one concept to be preserved.

I am a Christian, but I believe the voices that cry out that this is a "Christian" nation and its "Christian" values need to be preserved miss the point. Those values are to be preserved in the hearts of men, not in the laws of men. St. Francis of Assisi said that we were to, "go forth and preach the Gospel, and when you must, use words." We cannot have the government impose by legislative fiat the religious values of any faith system. We cannot evangelize by legislation, but by th body of our works in our homes, neighborhoods and communities.

I could drone on, but it's getting late--brain hurts and the wife is giving me "the look". Nite, folks

re: #104 Killian Bundy

/31 US gallons

Thanks. I'd swear they want people to stop drinking, or something

re: #96 FurryOldGuyJeans

She does, but the rest of the package is mostly attractive.

Some people just have no sense of proportion.

Honestly? I'm just teasing. I don't much care about things like that, and I would never try to argue that she's unattractive. It's just fun to see the "YOU SHUT UP ABOUT ANN" crowd flip out. : )

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

talk to your PETA rep...

Or income tax.re: #117 FurryOldGuyJeans

How can they add an income tax to a sales tax?

re: #112 Fenway_Nation

Falwell gets called out on it on a regular basis. Wright more or less gets to skate away unscathed. I find that even more patently offensive.

You guys all realize that Jerry Falwell died quite some time ago, right? Nothing left to call him out on...unless God has to pull him to the curb every now and then. LOL

re: #112 Fenway_Nation

Falwell gets called out on it on a regular basis. Wright more or less gets to skate away unscathed. I find that even more patently offensive.

Wright has been called out big time on this site.

re: #124 Gus 802

Or income tax.

How can they add an income tax to a sales tax?

Tax what you buy and tax one's income before they have a chance to spend any income. The same situation that in part is making people flee California in droves.

re: #96 FurryOldGuyJeans

She does, but the rest of the package is mostly attractive.

Some people just have no sense of proportion.

I thought I saw an Adam's apple once. Maybe that was Rachael Madow. I could be wrong.///

re: #126 Salamantis

I'm well aware of that...and outside of this site? In the MSM?

re: #125 capitalist piglet

You guys all realize that Jerry Falwell died quite some time ago, right? Nothing left to call him out on...unless God has to pull him to the curb every now and then. LOL

Well, we still have Robertson...;~)

re: #127 FurryOldGuyJeans

Tax what you buy and tax one's income before they have a chance to spend any income. The same situation that in part is making people flee California in droves.

OK, I see what you mean. We have that in our state. Income tax plus sales tax. My particular sales tax in my city is over 7%.

re: #125 capitalist piglet

You guys all realize that Jerry Falwell died quite some time ago, right? Nothing left to call him out on...unless God has to pull him to the curb every now and then. LOL

Not that I'm a particularly big Falwell fan, but I seem to recall that he issued an apology for the comment - did he not?

US House Speaker Pelosi to meet pope: Vatican

Visiting US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi will have an audience with Pope Benedict XVI during her weeklong visit to Italy, a Vatican official said Monday.

The meeting will take place on Wednesday, the official told AFP, saying it would likely occur after the pope's weekly general audience.

Pelosi, who describes herself as an "ardent" Catholic while advocating reproductive rights, will be the highest-ranking US official to see the pope since President Barack Obama took office last month.

This ought to be interesting, I wonder what they'll talk about?

/I hope they don't make physical contact, that could set off a matter/anti-matter reaction that would destroy the Earth

re: #122 capitalist piglet

Honestly? I'm just teasing. I don't much care about things like that, and I would never try to argue that she's unattractive. It's just fun to see the "YOU SHUT UP ABOUT ANN" crowd flip out. : )

Honestly, she does. Never understood the "stigma" of having less than super dainty and delicate hands if one is a woman. The whole package is what I notice, including sense of humor and personality.

re: #93 MrPaulRevere

If they are dinging me down with commenting I'm gonna be pissed. I took enough guff from those idiots over at Ace's.

You did well over there. That was quite a swarm.

re: #129 Fenway_Nation

[Link: www.google.com...]

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,230,000 for jeremiah wright.

re: #130 Salamantis

Well, we still have Robertson...;~)

I thought it was the other way around...

re: #132 Edouard

Not that I'm a particularly big Falwell fan, but I seem to recall that he issued an apology for the comment - did he not?

He and Robetrson were both shamed into apologies by an enraged nation.

re: #134 FurryOldGuyJeans

Honestly, she does. Never understood the "stigma" of having less than super dainty and delicate hands if one is a woman. The whole package is what I notice, including sense of humor and personality.

I think the hand thing started (or at least found a place in popular culture) with a Seinfeld episode. Seriously.

re: #131 Gus 802

OK, I see what you mean. We have that in our state. Income tax plus sales tax. My particular sales tax in my city is over 7%.

With so far only a sales tax applied by the state, county and city in which I live my graft to all the municipalities comes to 9.3%

re: #119 woodsman

There are 220 12 oz glasses of beer in a 1/2 keg - that is with a house head (3/4 inch of foam) give or take a drip.

I tried counting them once, but got drunk and gave up ;>}

/you must be an A-teamer.

re: #116 IslandLibertarian

Benjamin Franklin said that "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

so...you're sayin' Ben Franklin was an alcoholic creationist?

Does belief in God and make a person a creationist and a enjoying beer make them an alcoholic? That's pretty black and white in a colorful world.

re: #140 FurryOldGuyJeans

9.3? Wow, that's way too high. Now wonder people travel around for higher ticket items. No doubt they have tax agents checking on license plates across state borders. In NJ and NY it's not uncommon.

re: #128 calcajun

I thought I saw an Adam's apple once. Maybe that was Rachael Madow. I could be wrong.///

From what I have seen Ann is all woman; just not some delicate wilting flower. But if someone doesn't find the whole package attractive that is their prerogative, I know I do.

re: #123 IslandLibertarian

talk to your PETA rep...

GAH! I eat 'em, I don't mate* with them! And all this time I thought I was a pervert. You take the cake!
/

_{*NOT a pr0n clip.}

re: #135 capitalist piglet

Thank you. As debaters they were easy to shred and mock, but I was somewhat surprised by the level of vitriol. The devotion to this strange, obnoxious woman truly mystifies me.

re: #111 woodsman

$49.61! That's how much it costs for a 1/2 keg of Schlitz right now . . .
Founding father Benjamin Franklin said that "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." Have these Democrats no knowledge of history, no shame . . . no fun? What's next? A pee tax so they can get it coming and going (just like corporate taxes, payroll and dividend do?)

...and cue the pee tax...

re: #29 ploome hineni

Householders to be charged for each flush of toilet

cool

DOW futures down triple digits.

/hope, change, giant sucking sound in Denver later today

re: #148 Killian Bundy

Nikkei is down too.

re: #139 capitalist piglet

I think the hand thing started (or at least found a place in popular culture) with a Seinfeld episode. Seriously.

Another reason I don't watch network TV, pop culture. BLECH!

re: #136 Salamantis

Wow...thanks- I've never used this 'Google' thing before. I had no idea that 'God Damn America' was taken out of context...at least that's what the first couple of links are telling me.

www.pbs.org...] target="_blank">More than 3,000 news stories have been penned since early April about Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama. But behind the five second loop is a man who has preached three different sermons nearly every Sunday since 1972.

www.time.com...] target="_blank">In an hour-long interview with Bill Moyers on PBS last week, Wright discussed in detail the history of the African-American religious tradition and presented a calm, erudite counterpoint to the outrageous caricature that most Americans have seen in the short clips of his sermons on YouTube.

re: #133 Killian Bundy

US House Speaker Pelosi to meet pope: Vatican

This ought to be interesting, I wonder what they'll talk about?

/I hope they don't make physical contact, that could set off a matter/anti-matter reaction that would destroy the Earth

Maybe he perform an exorcism on her and we'll Finlay get to see the REAL San Fran Nan a nice little Grand ma who's really a (Shhh) REPUBLICAN!

re: #149 Gus 802

Nikkei is down too.

/China's worse

re: #153 Killian Bundy

/China's worse

And the protectionist fears and rumblings are just beginning.

/Hope, change.

re: #142 woodsman

Does belief in God and make a person a creationist

No

and a enjoying beer make them an alcoholic? That's pretty black and white in a colorful world.

Well, that depends ;>}

re: #125 capitalist piglet

You guys all realize that Jerry Falwell died quite some time ago, right? Nothing left to call him out on...unless God has to pull him to the curb every now and then. LOL

I know he had, hence my usage of "in his day". Someone else seems to be unaware of his room temperature status, though.

re: #150 FurryOldGuyJeans

There's my guy!

re: #148 Killian Bundy

A few hours ago I saw the Nikkei was down 1.2%.

Somebody a few threads back linked to a blog post about massive currency trading in the Far East... buying dollars and selling everything else, I think it said.

re: #144 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just kidding. The leather vest was pretty neat, though.

re: #148 Killian Bundy

Looks like O is doing some major Juju on the American and World economies by holding an exorcism to drive out that foul Capitalist demon.

re: #146 MrPaulRevere

Its genuinely odd phenomenon. The media is biased and and men like Rev. Wright get a pass? Like I need Ann Coulter to tell me this. She writes a book telling all the drones what they already know and they can't get to the bookstore fast enough. I don't get it.

re: #157 Afrocity

There's my guy!

Here I am, there you are. Too bad distance stands in the way.

re: #160 FurryOldGuyJeans

Here comes the Weimar Republic!

Down, down, down.

re: #158 stevieray

Somebody a few threads back linked to a blog post about massive currency trading in the Far East... buying dollars and selling everything else, I think it said.

I saw that, a drive by blog pimp.

/markets are down but it's hardly some type of panic

Falwell isn't being that creative. Christians have looked to divine punishment as an explanation of disaster---political or otherwise---since the fall of Rome. The line of thinking isn't very complicated and is rather compelling if you are the sort who finds mechanical explanations lacking. People are seldom satisfied with how; they yearn to know why. What good is tectonic plate theory to to a man whose life is in shambles after an earthquake?

So it has gone through the millennia. Christians wonder variously why the Muslims overran Palestine, why the Crusades failed, why the Black Death came upon Europe, etc. We must be doing something wrong, God is punishing us for our sins!

It is unfair to criticize Falwell for being anything he is not. He is not being unpatriotic, he is not issuing shocking statements. He's acting perfectly in the model of his predecessors, explaining disaster through God's punishment. This isn't some exclusive product of backwoods fundamentalism, this isn't some weird result of an Americanist theology that puts forth the notion of our country as a sort of holy Zion. Modern Christians may be reconciled with science and content with the thought that God doesn't interfere constantly with the world, but when something tragic happens, there is that aching Christian anxiety that just maybe it wouldn't have happened had we not done something wrong.

re: #161 MrPaulRevere

Its genuinely odd phenomenon. The media is biased and and men like Rev. Wright get a pass? Like I need Ann Coulter to tell me this. She writes a book telling all the drones what they already know and they can't get to the bookstore fast enough. I don't get it.

Same thing happens with Rush and Hannity. Conservatism sells.

re: #142 woodsman

it's obvious the sarc tag was much needed but absent...

re: #163 Gus 802

Here comes the Weimar Republic!

Down, down, down.

And look what came out of that debacle. Then as now economic uncertainty and antisemitism seem to go hand in hand.

re: #144 FurryOldGuyJeans

From what I have seen Ann is all woman; just not some delicate wilting flower. But if someone doesn't find the whole package attractive that is their prerogative, I know I do.

Yer right, I think she's hot too. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the adams apple thingy. The woman is skinny and with that comes a skinny neck. That is just her throat that they see.

/I will stop there

re: #165 Kyriakos

Falwell isn't being that creative. Christians have looked to divine punishment as an explanation of disaster---political or otherwise---since the fall of Rome. The line of thinking isn't very complicated and is rather compelling if you are the sort who finds mechanical explanations lacking. People are seldom satisfied with how; they yearn to know why. What good is tectonic plate theory to to a man whose life is in shambles after an earthquake?

So it has gone through the millennia. Christians wonder variously why the Muslims overran Palestine, why the Crusades failed, why the Black Death came upon Europe, etc. We must be doing something wrong, God is punishing us for our sins!

It is unfair to criticize Falwell for being anything he is not. He is not being unpatriotic, he is not issuing shocking statements. He's acting perfectly in the model of his predecessors, explaining disaster through God's punishment. This isn't some exclusive product of backwoods fundamentalism, this isn't some weird result of an Americanist theology that puts forth the notion of our country as a sort of holy Zion. Modern Christians may be reconciled with science and content with the thought that God doesn't interfere constantly with the world, but when something tragic happens, there is that aching Christian anxiety that just maybe it wouldn't have happened had we not done something wrong.

9-11 wasn't a natural disaster, it was an attack by 19 jihadi terror flyers. It was pretty clear to everyone except the psychotic Troofers who was to blame.

Today in History - February 17th:

Falwell is being addressed in the present tense?
He has gone to his reward for some time.

re: #32 Gus 802

Hitchens makes a point that Falwell most likely did not believe in what he said. As much as I generally think Hitchens has a keen sense of observation, this is incorrect. The history or religious fanaticism shows that people of this much zeal believe what they say, and this is immeasurably worse for all of us. The fact that fanaticism can drive one to say and believe in things as utterly obscene and insane as the things Falwell said is the real danger here. Not that people are dishonest and conniving, but rather that something in our society has allowed them to reach such strong levels of belief in the irrational - and that some segments of society also began to believe along with them!

There is a consistent point made on this blog that polemicists like Coulter, O'Reilly and the like are simply attention-mongers, people willing to say anything to appeal to a certain mentality to sell their books or opinions. This probably underplays the danger of having honest believers who are in fact so full of hatred, invective, ignorance or bigotry that they set strong examples to be followed. It's more realistic in this case to believe that people mean what they say, allowing us to assess the true level of their depravity and danger to American liberties, instead of taking the much more intellectually comfortable position that these people are simply hucksters pushing their idiocy to make a dollar. These people have real conviction - and that is a real danger.

re: #161 MrPaulRevere

Its genuinely odd phenomenon. The media is biased and and men like Rev. Wright get a pass? Like I need Ann Coulter to tell me this. She writes a book telling all the drones what they already know and they can't get to the bookstore fast enough. I don't get it.

My theory: Ask yourself this. If a man wrote the same book, or if a fat woman wrote it, do you suppose the reaction would be the same? They might buy it, but they wouldn't rabidly defend it against those who take issue with some aspects of it.

She's their queen. The Queen of the Republic of Fringe.

re: #172 rawmuse

Falwell is being addressed in the present tense?
He has gone to his rewardpunishment for some time.

FTFY

re: #168 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pretty much. Especially in Europe as the numbers fall. People resort back to the old conspiracies and stereotypes even though they don't equate with reality. Ignorance creates fear creates hatred and irrationality.

re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth

All kidding aside, what is really perverted is that PETA isn't "Pro-Life".
Save the baby harp seals, whales, sea-kittens, wolves, chickens, turkeys, cows, but not the human unborn.

re: #160 FurryOldGuyJeans

Looks like O is doing some major Juju on the American and World economies by holding an exorcism to drive out that foul Capitalist demon.

"With the stroke of this pen, I hereby [expletive deleted] over America for the next 30 years.""

/is the signing ceremony going to be at Invesco?

re: #161 MrPaulRevere

Its genuinely odd phenomenon. The media is biased and and men like Rev. Wright get a pass? Like I need Ann Coulter to tell me this. She writes a book telling all the drones what they already know and they can't get to the bookstore fast enough. I don't get it.

Ann goes ahead and says the things that most people think twice about and then don't say. That's why she crosses the line so often and what makes her entertaining from time to time. You don't have to agree with her. It's refreshing to see a nice looking woman rip into liberals now and then. That's her niche.

re: #175 Salamantis

FTFY

How do I make a strikeout work onsite?

The Eagles: Take It Easy

re: #161 MrPaulRevere

Its genuinely odd phenomenon. The media is biased and and men like Rev. Wright get a pass? Like I need Ann Coulter to tell me this. She writes a book telling all the drones what they already know and they can't get to the bookstore fast enough. I don't get it.

I like her writing style. She's witty funny, and lays the wood to the media and leftists.
I wish she woiuld've let the CCC have it too, and I will not defend her on that.

re: #180 Salamantis

How do I make a strikeout work onsite?

The S button at the top right of the comments box. Highlight the text you want struck through then click it.

re: #180 Salamantis

How do I make a strikeout work onsite?

My box shows five buttons, and the one on the left is the one you want.

re: #150 FurryOldGuyJeans

Another reason I don't watch network TV, pop culture. BLECH!

I thought the man hands episode was hilarious. Although, I've never seen hands like these on a woman.

re: #173 Cobdenite

True, it's hard to tell if he believed it or not since either case can be true without going into someone's mind. Hitchens has the tendency to blow off a lot of steam at times.

With regards to his comments regarding Falwell's so called alliance with Israel and Jews I think he's is more accurate. While it might not be true in this particular case I too have shared this observation in that sometimes it seems the create false alliances only for political or social gains. Something I'm afraid that the GOP has a tendency of doing. I suppose the Dems as well.

re: #172 rawmuse

The man may be gone but his words live on to curse us.

re: #184 rawmuse

My box shows five buttons, and the one on the left is the one you want.

Thanxabunch! I never looked at those buttons up there before!

D'oh on me!

re: #179 woodsman

Ann goes ahead and says the things that most people think twice about and then don't say. That's why she crosses the line so often and what makes her entertaining from time to time. You don't have to agree with her. It's refreshing to see a nice looking woman rip into liberals now and then. That's her niche.

That's an excellent point (though her hyperbolic schtick is sometimes off-putting, even to conservatives); she could have gone all day, though, without mischaracterizing a racist website, thus appearing to defend it.

It does not speak well of her fans that they have no problem with that.

re: #166 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'm all for free enterprise, but I'm careful about the authors I support. I've never bought a book by an author that has shady associations. I'm reading 'House to House' by Sgt. David Bellavia about the fight for Fallujah in 2004 for the second time. A great book by a good man, highly recommended.

re: #180 Salamantis

How do I make a strikeout work onsite?

Highlight the text you want to strike-out and then hit the big S in the row of buttons just above the edit box where you type your replies.

re: #170 Salamantis

I agree that it isn't sensible. Falwell wanted to maintain God's Providence at every cost and here fell prey to the notion of a God active in the world's suffering.

Why stop at nations? Carry it to individuals---some "Christians" have. Poor or sick? You must just not be praying hard enough! Christian Scientists routinely deny medical care to their own children, such is their faith in this notion of God's Providence.

There is no reason why, if we chalk up large-scale disasters (which are really just many personal disasters) to God acting as a punisher, we should not also suspect God actively allows harm and tragedy into personal life to punish sinners.

The best threads of the day were the articles by Michael Ledeen. Chilling, as we see them unfold day by day, with alarming speed.

re: #190 MrPaulRevere

I don't support any. I am poorer than the proverbial church mouse, so I get all my reading material from the library. Second hand book stores in my area don't seem to carry authors I want to read.

re: #185 Scion9

Got another linky? That one no worky.

re: #192 Kyriakos

I agree that it isn't sensible. Falwell wanted to maintain God's Providence at every cost and here fell prey to the notion of a God active in the world's suffering.

Why stop at nations? Carry it to individuals---some "Christians" have. Poor or sick? You must just not be praying hard enough! Christian Scientists routinely deny medical care to their own children, such is their faith in this notion of God's Providence.

There is no reason why, if we chalk up large-scale disasters (which are really just many personal disasters) to God acting as a punisher, we should not also suspect God actively allows harm and tragedy into personal life to punish sinners.

It's thinking like that that leads some people to blame the Jews for their own Holocaust, rather than the Nazis.

re: #185 Scion9

If I am going to waste my time watching TV I will pop a DVD in.

Why stop there. People would also say that the people on the US Airways flight "deserved" to live and the ones on the Colgan Air flight "deserved" to die. From my understanding some people would make that irrational conclusion.

I wish it was 2012

re: #94 FurryOldGuyJeans

It's only a 1,900% tax increase. What's the problem with that? Oregonians keep electing far Left Dems they should expect this.

The poor Oregonians will no longer be able to afford to drown their troubles in beer.

Bars and stores in Vancouver, WA, will do a land-office business. If this goes into effect, I may have to start hauling Canuck suds with me to the Portland Swap Meet.

re: #198 Gus 802
It does make one wonder about fate.

To me that pilot that landed that plane is a patriot.

Is anyone tracking Patrick Leahy's attempts to press criminal charges against former Pres. Bush? I think it is not getting much press.

Regards to all. Do something cool tomorrow.
I made maple syrup last thursday and will skate on the pond with my 10 year old son tommorrow. I cut a hole in the ice today to dip buckets out and smooth the rough spots on the ice. We'll play hockey too (sort of.) The world is strange, but life is a gift to enjoy, to ponder. Use it. Don't wait, go do the things you always wanted to do. Learn, write, have fun, debate shamelessly. Thanks for the forum Charles, best on the net. - cheers and good night.

re: #202 rawmuse

Didn't that come up at the Obama press conference?

re: #199 Afrocity

I wish it was 2012

If I had a wish, I'd wish to see what 2012 looked like... first ;>}

Goodevening Afrocity.

re: #199 Afrocity

I wish it was 2012

I wish it were 2010 and lots of conservatives were running for Congressional seats. An impotent Obama would be tolerable, barely.

{Afrocity}

How you doing this evening, beautiful?

re: #202 rawmuse

Is anyone tracking Patrick Leahy's attempts to press criminal charges against former Pres. Bush? I think it is not getting much press.

Yeesh. I hope not. What a waste of time. On a level with the Obama Birth Certificate detour.

re: #174 capitalist piglet

See this comment at #179: "It's refreshing to see a nice looking woman rip into liberals now and then."

Jerry Falwell is dead. I will not speak ill of him.

Don't like how Abraham Lincolns name was allowed to be hijacked either.

I am a Republican because of Abraham Lincoln.

No amount of revisionist history or manipulating of his words will ever change that.

re: #201 Afrocity

Yes, but fate can be random or randomly applied. Take the Colgan Air flight. If it did fly in icy condition with autopilot that might very well contributed to the crash. Ice conditions call for manual flight which I believe applies to a tail wing aircraft most particularly. It would have been a simple and routine change in their actions that would have led to a safe landing.

re: #203 woodsman

Must be from Vermont. Cheese makes one happy.

re: #204 Afrocity

Didn't that come up at the Obama press conference?

I have not heard any. My TV has been off somewhat permanently.

So anyone that missed the Colgan Air flight can very well meet their fate next week and die in an auto accident.

re: #202 rawmuse

Is anyone tracking Patrick Leahy's attempts to press criminal charges against former Pres. Bush? I think it is not getting much press.

Leahy is not just seeking criminal charges, he's seeking War Crimes charges. He's dressing it up as a fact-finding panel, no powers to prosecute, but that is just smoke and mirrors.

re: #213 Gus 802

Every day is a roll of the dice.

re: #210 Gus 802

So are you saying that if every pilot in a crash mode does something differently they could be like Sully and land the plane safely? Excluding 9/11 and the Lockerby, Scotland disasters.

re: #211 Afrocity

Adirondack Cheddar

re: #215 IslandLibertarian

Pretty much. That's why one has to keep on their toes when they're operating machinery, heavy or otherwise.

re: #215 IslandLibertarian

Every day is a roll of the dice.

re: #204 Afrocity

Didn't that come up at the Obama press conference?

I have to admit I am not following any press conferences the man holds since I find even the sound of his voice to be regurgitation inducing. And my cat hisses and spits whenever he speaks, radio or TV.

re: #214 FurryOldGuyJeans

I think they would like to criminalize Republicanism itself.

re: #216 Afrocity

So are you saying that if every pilot in a crash mode does something differently they could be like Sully and land the plane safely? Excluding 9/11 and the Lockerby, Scotland disasters.

I pilot error would have been involved. More than likely Sully would have flown the Colgan Air flight according to rules. Now, you could look at it this way too. If Sully had encountered a bird strike further away from the Hudson he wouldn't have had the ability to ditch the Airbus. Hence the results would have been fatal.

re: #193 rawmuse

Indeed excellent articles. Sorry I missed the thread while it was still alive. Although I disagree with Leeden that no one is calling for abolishing private property.

I think it is pretty clear that quite a few Dems pols already are beyond considering the wealth of citizens as anything but the rightful property of the State. Calling for such an abolition of property is an unneeded formality.

re: #221 rawmuse

I think they would like to criminalize Republicanism itself.

Dissent to Socialist and Progressive thought is now criminal.

Geeze Bush is gone. Why don't they leave it alone? How long will Obama play this blame game "old ideas blah, blah, blah"

For some reason his laid back attire unsettles me, and the girls coming off the plane. They looked like ragamuffins. I don't like this dumbing down.

re: #222 Gus 802

There is no accounting for dumb luck sometimes.

re: #220 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have to admit I am not following any press conferences the man holds since I find even the sound of his voice to be regurgitation inducing. And my cat hisses and spits whenever he speaks, radio or TV.

You'll probably like today's Day-By-Day comic strip, then.

re: #216 Afrocity

I heard yesterday the Continental flight that crashed in New York dropped 800ft. in 5 seconds. I can only imagine the horror. Clear thinking for even trained professionals would have been difficult.

So you can say Sully and his 1st Officer were lucky to encounter the bird strike when they did.

re: #226 rawmuse

Yep. Like running a stop light when there are no cars around.

re: #212 rawmuse

I have not heard any. My TV has been off somewhat permanently.

You too huh?
One of the few times I turned on the news in the last few months I did hear Obama asked this question . All he would say was, that he just wanted to find out the facts on what happened and what went on during Bushs' term(like he wasn't in the Senate or something). So "we" can get it right from here on out.

It looked like a wink-wink moment to me.

re: #195 x-wing

Got another linky? That one no worky.

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re: #228 MrPaulRevere

The pilot was only 25 years old.

That is my worst nightmare dying on an airplane.
I dont like having any control over my life.

re: #225 Afrocity

Geeze Bush is gone. Why don't they leave it alone? How long will Obama play this blame game "old ideas blah, blah, blah"

For some reason his laid back attire unsettles me, and the girls coming off the plane. They looked like ragamuffins. I don't like this dumbing down.

Blame Nixon (and Ford) lasted for 4 years of Carter so Blame Bush has a while to go.

Dumbing down is the new mantra, get used to it. Being a free thinker that expresses thoughts different than the Socialist/Progressive hive mind is to invite persecution.

re: #225 Afrocity

Geeze Bush is gone. Why don't they leave it alone? How long will Obama play this blame game "old ideas blah, blah, blah"

For some reason his laid back attire unsettles me, and the girls coming off the plane. They looked like ragamuffins. I don't like this dumbing down.

Do you have a link to the dressed down and ragamuffins?

re: #234 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well it doesn't feel like America anymore. Something is wrong. I can't put my finger on it.

re: #228 MrPaulRevere

At the height they were at there was probably no chance. Would take at least 3000 feet maybe. I'm no expert. Once they lost all lift it would stall badly mean zero lift or even a reversal of aerodynamics so to speak. If it did pancake it could have been a quick flat spin.

re: #225 Afrocity

Besides, to take responsibility for oneself implies a level of maturity that we haven't seen demonstrated in how many years of watching the Democrats?

re: #228 MrPaulRevere

I heard yesterday the Continental flight that crashed in New York dropped 800ft. in 5 seconds. I can only imagine the horror. Clear thinking for even trained professionals would have been difficult.

I watched the computer mock up on the news tonight. That plane was in serious trouble real quick.

My prayers go out to the victims and thier families.

My guess is that it happened as soon as they put the flaps down and took it off of AP.

re: #235 x-wing

No, I looked. The footage was on O'reily I think.

re: #236 Afrocity

Well it doesn't feel like America anymore. Something is wrong. I can't put my finger on it.

It took six months and time out of the country touring the Persian Gulf for me to notice the change in feel when Clinton was elected in '92. O has done it in less than a month and made the feeling approach dire and dread that never came close during Clinton's 8 years.

re: #229 Gus 802

So you can say Sully and his 1st Officer were lucky to encounter the bird strike when they did.

Very much so. Take that plane to a higher elevation and lose engines. Nothing but ugly comes to mind.

re: #232 Scion9

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Ewww...but thanks.

re: #236 Afrocity

Let me direct your finger to the fact that a Marxist/Socialist community organizer has been elected president and has just ramrodded through his collective agenda and gained control of banking and lending institutions.
There's more...

re: #236 Afrocity

I regret I have only one ding to give. Very well said.

re: #243 x-wing

Yep. I don't know if they turn right or left from KLGA. Right would mean over the Atlantic. Left would mean over towards solid New Jersey. Helped that Sully is a glider pilot as well.

re: #242 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was a DEM then and okay with Clinton.
But I see your point.
Something is off kilter. Like a sound that nags you in your car when you are driving. I haven't felt this way since 2001

re: #233 Afrocity

The pilot was only 25 years old.

That is my worst nightmare dying on an airplane.
I dont like having any control over my life.

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re: #248 Afrocity

I was a DEM then and okay with Clinton.
But I see your point.
Something is off kilter. Like a sound that nags you in your car when you are driving. I haven't felt this way since 2001

I was never a Dem, nor Republican. Just one of them dreaded Independent Conservatives. *HORRORS!*

re: #250 FurryOldGuyJeans

isn't that redundant?

re: #251 Afrocity

isn't that redundant?

There are Independent Progressives, there are Independent Centrists, I'm one that wants less government intrusion in the free market and our lives, amongst other things.

re: #252 FurryOldGuyJeans

Less government on most fronts. Won't happen though. Most people think it will get better but I usually tell them things will get worse. It's like when people complain about planning or zoning issues I usually remind them that the worst of the two comes from both the Democrats and the Republicans.

re: #252 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't know what sort of conservative i am...yet.

I am pro-choice
I want less government
I want minorities to become contributors to society
Free Market system
Separation of church and state
I can take or leave gay marriage
Less taxes

re: #248 Afrocity

Something is off kilter. Like a sound that nags you in your car when you are driving. I haven't felt this way since 2001

Honey, the tires are flat, the check engine light is on, the radio is stuck on PBS, the fuel light is on, brakes are failing and we're heading down-hill toward a sharp left turn over a cliff...

re: #251 Afrocity

At one 'conservatism' and 'liberalism' were not unique philosophies to either party, although they both had their trends. Teddy Roosevelt was a Progressive, formerly (R) and lost to moderately conservative Taft (R) whom also lost to to the progressive Wilson (D) in one election. Hoover (R) likewise was obviously a progressive, while his Republican predecessor Coolidge was certainly nowhere close to being progressive, and by the modern nomenclature would certainly be very conservative.

re: #256 Scion9

Actually, that isn't accurate; Taft came in last that election, not Roosevelt. Brain hiccup.

re: #254 Afrocity

I don't know what sort of conservative i am...yet.

I am pro-choice
I want less government
I want minorities to become contributors to society
Free Market system
Separation of church and state
I can take or leave gay marriage
Less taxes

You crawling into my head and stealing my thoughts and values now? ;)

re: #254 Afrocity

I don't know what sort of conservative i am...yet.

I am pro-choice
I want less government
I want minorities to become contributors to society
Free Market system
Separation of church and state
I can take or leave gay marriage
Less taxes

South Park Conservative?

re: #259 x-wing

Ouch.