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1 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:03am

Charles- did you set up CBS again?

2 kansas  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:14am

CBS fooled? Say it ain't so.

3 Racer X  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:25am

Fake - but accurate.

4 astronmr20  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:38am

Charles, there is no text on the article.. just the blog.

5 DistantThunder  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:40am

See what I mean....Hey TIME - Look over here!

6 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:49am

Uh link shows headers only. Maybe its me.

7 Kragar  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:54am

No article seems to load on the page

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:54am

Were there rubber-band guns? Those things'll sting.

9 n in wi  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:56am

Fake,but accurate.
- Dan Rather

10 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:57am

re: #4 astronmr20

Thought it was just me

11 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:52:16am

No article, just blog...

12 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:52:29am

The page is loading slow

13 kansas  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:52:54am

OT
Cafferty not fooled on this.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

14 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:52:57am

Couldn't
Be
Stupider.

15 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:53:05am
16 n in wi  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:53:20am

re: #4 astronmr20

Charles, there is no text on the article.. just the blog.

No text,no pictures and yet it's enough to fool CBS

17 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:53:30am

re: #15 Ojoe

This link might work better.

That works...thanks.

18 Racer X  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:53:46am

re: #4 astronmr20

Charles, there is no text on the article.. just the blog.

Scroll down and click "February"

19 DeafDog  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:53:51am

re: #11 scottishbuzzsaw

No article, just blog...


click on the "february" link and the text pops up

20 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:05am

Taken for a ride, but accurate.

21 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:08am

From the posting:

Everyone who has been in the military, especially to Iraq or Afghanistan, within the last few years needs to watch the first part of this video. Look at the "military equipment" CBS is pushing as recently stolen or "looted" from US Forces. You will notice that it's equipment we aren't even issued. Also, they blatantly lie when attempting to show night vision equipment, which isn't night vision equipment at all.

00:02 the video shows some a series of boots. Out of the three pair, two are black leather boots. When is the last time any of us deployed with black leather boots? Hell in the Marine Corps they aren't even issued; you can't wear them. The military isn't shipping black boots to Afghanistan. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Also, the tan boots are brand new, and are not even US issued for either the Marines or the US Army. Finally, in the frame you will see the tri-color camouflage shirt, brand new. The Marine Corps and most Army units don't issue this camouflage print any longer. Digital print is the standard. There are a few units that still have them but most don't'. CBS hasn't done their homework.

00:05 the narrator states "even high power binoculars," as footage of some man in a hadji dress picks up a pair of cheap looking binos. I can't believe CBS fell for this, or just ignored the reality. The various assortment of military issued binoculars don't look like this. Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong.

00:07 the narrator continues, "...and sophisticated night vision gear." Can someone please tell me what the camera is looking at. It looks like a couple rifle magazines at the bottom, and various black and grey bags, possibly protective containers for Oakley or other issued eye wear. I don't see any night vision equipment or anything that remotely resembles night vision equipment. I'm not saying it wasn't there, NVGs and NODs can be found all over, but the video is supposedly, according to the narrator, showing night vision devices.

00:09 does show US Army knee pads and hydration pack. At least that is what the camouflage pattern looks like. When you look at the video angle this footage does not show a market place setting typical to what is found in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

00:11 shows knives, none of which are us issued to US forces.

00:18 shows a distance shot of some camouflage shirts, none are US military print.

00:20 Does show a case that says "Property of US government." If someone knows what kinda case this is please let me know.

00:21 shows the old olive drab canteen and canteen cover. This is an older issued item, although to be fair it could still be issued to some units. However, the carrying case for the canteen would most likely have been changed. For example, the Marine Corps issues the old canteen but the covers are newer camo print, not the old olive drab.

00:24 the narrator says that "we are told there are US weapons for sale here to." Of course she shows none.

If you have trouble, keep reloading the page; it took me about 5 tries

22 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:18am

Why is the "expert" British?
I don't bring in a Swami to talk about a Big Mac.

23 Bobblehead  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:25am

To borrow from Sharmuta

24 Peacekeeper  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:38am

There it is. I had to click on the blank area.

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:39am

I'm not getting any text, either. Oh well. If CBS wants faux military equipment, I can get them rifles made out paper towel rolls and toilet paper rolls, swords cut out of boxes, and grenades made out of legos.

We have a regular fake-weaponry factory around here.

26 calcajun  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:45am

Nice to see Karl Rove still dabbling in politics. He IS a magnificent bastard.

27 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:52am

If anyone gets "no article" ... refresh the page.
That worked for me.

28 Bumr50  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:59am

A flashlight with a flag sticker on it? LMAO!

29 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:55:57am

The panic laden voice of the reporter annoys me.

It makes me want to join a monastery.

30 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:56:33am

re: #8 EmmmieG

Were there rubber-band guns? Those things'll sting.

In the crate next to container marked CROSS BOWS...:)

31 calcajun  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:58:21am

re: #30 Dustyvet

In the crate next to container marked CROSS BOWS...:)

No, that one had US-issued pointed sticks.

32 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:00:00am

re: #22 Bumr50

He is British because his snooty accent lends credence to his words in the minds of simpletons, IMHO.

33 Jonn Lilyea  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:00:15am

It looks like the Taliban looted Ranger Joe's on Victory Blvd in Columbus, GA.

34 Ojoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:00:21am

BBL

35 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:01:08am
This video is suspect to say the least. I'm not saying it's fake, but CBS didn't show what they said they were showing. At best they were fooled and at worst they were disingenuous. It was a complete scam with regards to the American equipment footage. The only thing she showed was a knee pad, hydration system and an old canteen. The rest was just equipment you find find anywhere.

I'd bet on disingenuous...

36 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:01:10am

re: #31 calcajun

No, that one had US-issued pointed sticks.

Oh sorry, I was busy digging in the box of English long bows...looking for a good pluck yew...:)

/s

37 notutopia  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:01:14am

Ha Ha Ha on CBS. All they needed to do was get a real
marine to look at that equipment to see that you can buy any of that used, or non military issue equipment at any Surplus store. What a sad joke they are for war correspondents! No credibility in their research work at all. Fools.

38 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:01:42am

Why should CBS let accuracy and facts stand in the way of agenda?

39 astronmr20  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:02:38am

I believe the proper term in journalism here is "pwned."

40 rawmuse  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:03:17am

CBS - the only network where, after you watch it, you are noticeably dumber.

41 varmint  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:04:13am

the "weapons" are identical to those sold in the novelty shops on hollywood boulevard. which are also owned by pakistanis, oddly enough.

if cbs had panned over, i'd expect to see fake scar statues and leather jackets with axl rose painted on the back.

42 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:04:20am

SeeBS pwned.

43 pat  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:04:53am

Indian and Chinese stuff. Binoculars just might be Russian, in which case they are very good, but no single finger focusing.

44 rawmuse  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:04:55am

re: #33 Jonn Lilyea

It looks like the Taliban looted Ranger Joe's on Victory Blvd in Columbus, GA.

I was gonna say, a lot of that stuff is standard MilSurp, I even own a lot of those things. Except for the shiny black boots, screw that.

45 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:05:13am

re: #40 rawmuse

CBS - the only network where, after you watch it, you are noticeably dumber.

The same folks who gave us...


Gilligan's Island

46 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:05:18am

OMG
Is CBS really that "stupid"

Ok, I know the answer to that, but please........ 0-:

47 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:05:30am

re: #37 notutopia

Ha Ha Ha on CBS. All they needed to do was get a real
marine to look at that equipment to see that you can buy any of that used, or non military issue equipment at any Surplus store. What a sad joke they are for war correspondents! No credibility in their research work at all. Fools.

What do you expect from people who call anything with tracks a "tank"?

48 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:06:25am

re: #46 Dustoff-507

OMG
Is CBS really that "stupid"

Ok, I know the answer to that, but please........ 0-:

yup, yup, yup...:)

next question...

49 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:06:34am

re: #47 Ward Cleaver


Heck a kid from the Boy Scouts would have known better.

50 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:07:07am

re: #48 Dustyvet


Where do these fools come from... ?

51 DisturbedEma  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:07:22am

re: #13 kansas

OT
Cafferty not fooled on this.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Ahh, here it is. . .go Caff!

52 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:08:17am

re: #50 Dustoff-507

Where do these fools come from... ?

umm, the same crew who gave us the Bush memo's?

53 varmint  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:09:07am

pilferage is a real problem. go to any pawn shop near a major military base and you'll find standard equipment for sale. so i'd be very surprised if at least that wasn't happening in pakistan.

but the story just so perfectly illustrates the problem of letting a journalism major, with no experience of being other than a journalist, cover the war.

54 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:10:06am

re: #52 Dustyvet

LOL...
The second I saw the boots I almost fell off my chair.
Yeah them are combat boots alright, back when you and I was in the service...

55 jorline  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:10:40am

Were the pictures throbbing?

56 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:11:05am

re: #54 Dustoff-507

LOL...
The second I saw the boots I almost fell off my chair.
Yeah them are combat boots alright, back when you and I was in the service...

Yuppers...:) They must be getting those on ebay...

57 Haole  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:11:39am

Did they show any Obama coins? Complete with decal of authenticity?

/

58 Silhouette  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:11:46am

It fits the media agenda, which is "Fighting back makes it worse."

Having an army there is only "creating more terrorists" and arming them too!

59 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:13:30am

re: #56 Dustyvet


WOW, they have E-bay in Packie stand I never knew.

60 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:15:10am

re: #57 Haole

Did they show any Obama coins? Complete with decal of authenticity?

/

Most of the Obama coins which use a Presidential Dollar for the host coin are colorized through the application of a decal, which is permanently fused to the coin's surface using a hot glue process. In doing so, these marketers are wiping out the faces of our nation's Founding Fathers and placing their garish colorized designs on our U.S. legal tender coinage. The result is a coin that is numismatically worthless; in other words, these colorized Obama coins will never have any value to coin collectors as collectible Presidential Dollars because the original surfaces of the coins have been destroyed by the colorization process.


[Link: coins.about.com...]

61 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:15:44am

re: #59 Dustoff-507

WOW, they have E-bay in Packie stand I never knew.

Yeah I just bought a goat last week...:)

62 Picayune  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:16:19am

re: #30 Dustyvet

What typeface was used for Cross Bows?

63 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:16:39am

re: #61 Dustyvet

Yeah I just bought a goat last week...:)

And a duce and a half...:)

64 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:17:08am

re: #62 Picayune

What typeface was used for Cross Bows?

heh?

65 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:17:34am

re: #61 Dustyvet


OMG...

SPEW alert. Dusty you just shorted out my keyboard! (-:

coffee does not get along well with electrical.

66 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:18:37am

re: #63 Dustyvet

And a duce and a half...:)

Sweet, haven't see that word in YEARS...

Jezzz I'm getting old.

67 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:18:37am

re: #65 Dustoff-507

OMG...

SPEW alert. Dusty you just shorted out my keyboard! (-:

coffee does not get along well with electrical.

Have a Sham-Wow...:)

68 Zimriel  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:18:56am

To put in a good word for CBS's Central Asia coverage: they did run a good piece, on 60 Minutes last Sunday, on the problems in Pakistan's frontier province.

But they weren't showing recently unburied treasure. They were showing interviews, and live footage of the front. This hoax has just undercut everything good they said this week.

CBS needs to learn that when their story relies on a "recently discovered evidence zOMFG!1" which is conveniently served up to them by a rabid partisan, it's not as effective. They ALSO need to learn that when they have a story at 6 PM and bullshit at 7, the stench of the latter spreads to the former.

69 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:19:23am

re: #67 Dustyvet

Have a Sham-Wow...:)


On order... must use my hankie

70 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:19:35am

re: #66 Dustoff-507

Sweet, haven't see that word in YEARS...

Jezzz I'm getting old.

aww remember CUTV?

71 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:20:22am

re: #69 Dustoff-507

On order... must use my hankie

The sleeve on your snuggie works well...:)

72 Kenneth  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:20:31am

re: #50 Dustoff-507

Where do these fools come from... ?

Most journalists have no actual knowledge of the military but they do have an overwhelming desire to print anti-military stories. Consider this classic:

NYT caption: Pakistani men with the remains of a missile

When it was pointed out the intact object in the picture was not a missile, let alone the "remains" of an exploded missile, AFP ran a correction:

Correction: A picture caption on Saturday with an article about a U.S. airstrike on a village in Pakistan misidentified an unexploded ordinance. It was not the remains of a missile fired at a house.

They also spelled "ordnance" wrong. Oh, well… that's not all that was wrong. The photo wasn't even of a village in Pakistan, it was from Afghanistan, and the decades old artillery shell was Russian, not American.

73 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:20:50am

re: #70 Dustyvet


No... I'm not much of a TV person.

74 Rexatosis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:21:57am

Hey, don't be too hard on CBS, it's the Bush economy, they had to let all the American fact checkers go and just took the word of the Pakistani merchants who would never lie to a paying customer unlike evil American Corporations.///////

And if you buy that I got a big bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.

75 Pietr  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:21:58am

re: #66 Dustoff-507

re: #67 Dustyvet

It's been so long, Dusty even forgot how to spell it , IE: deuce and 1/2...as in 2 1/2 ton truck......

76 horse  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:22:44am

The Can't Be Straight with military stories network strikes again.

What is interesting is they imply any surge in troops will result in more pilferage and therefore more instability, even though an Afgan surge is one of the most tangible security objectives their golden child has supported. Hmmm, perhaps this is a confirmation of rumors that the current admin now wants to back out of Afgan and the media will now help by providing convenient excuses.

77 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:22:48am

re: #73 Dustoff-507

No... I'm not much of a TV person.

I'm getting that way...spend more time watching old movies on DVD's when folks could still act...

78 FlightERDoc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:23:40am

Peshawar? Could have been my garage.....

79 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:24:18am

re: #75 Pietr

re: #67 Dustyvet

It's been so long, Dusty even forgot how to spell it , IE: deuce and 1/2...as in 2 1/2 ton truck......

It has been, when was the last time you heard "Three quarter ton"

80 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:24:52am

re: #77 Dustyvet

So CUTV is what?
even as a kid, TV was never my big thing... Heck just look outside some where and you would fine me.

81 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:25:36am

re: #78 FlightERDoc


He doc, what unit?

82 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:26:17am

re: #79 Dustyvet

is that anything like (Prop-wash) LOL

83 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:26:27am

re: #80 Dustoff-507

So CUTV is what?
even as a kid, TV was never my big thing... Heck just look outside some where and you would fine me.

While I was in the USAR it was a military edition of the GMC SUV, we called them CUTV's.

84 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:27:21am

Hey, the largest political party in this country doesn't even know what an American soldier looks like (they've frequently had pictures of Canadian forces on their website with captions erroneously claiming they're American), so can we really be angry at CBS for not being able to spot genuine US Army equipment?

85 Zimriel  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:27:47am

re: #75 Pietr

re: #67 Dustyvet

It's been so long, Dusty even forgot how to spell it , IE: deuce and 1/2...as in 2 1/2 ton truck......

Hah, I just know it from There's Something About Mary.

Which also, nowadays, dates me.

86 jcm  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:28:05am

Everyone in the media knows jackbooted thugs wear black boots....

/////////

87 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:29:11am

re: #83 Dustyvet


Really? WOW.

I saw many 2 1/2 trucks and jeeps... Remeber I'm a Helo guys.

88 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:29:31am

re: #86 jcm


LOL, another spew alert

89 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:29:43am

re: #82 Dustoff-507

is that anything like (Prop-wash) LOL

LOL, no it was a truck the army used in Vietnam, but then that brings back the memories of this thing.

M-561 6x6 Gama Goat 1 1/4-ton Truck

The M-561 Gama Goat (or Gamma Goat as it is also spelled) was described as the Truck, Cargo, Articulated, 1 1/4 ton, 6x6, M561 with or without winch, NSN 2320-00-873-5407. It was manufactured during the late 1960's and early 1970's by the Consolidated Diesel Electric Company, as shown on the dataplate below. It was named for Roger Gamaunt who invented the key part, the articulated power joint between the tractor cab and cargo body trailer, plus "goat" for its high mobility capabilities. The Truck, Ambulance, M792 was the only variant of the Gama Goat.

[Link: www.olive-drab.com...]

90 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:30:18am

re: #87 Dustoff-507

Really? WOW.

I saw many 2 1/2 trucks and jeeps... Remeber I'm a Helo guys.

Oh right...:) Huey's...:)

91 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:30:57am

re: #85 Zimriel


LOL, that movie is what 8 years ago?

92 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:30:59am

re: #83 Dustyvet

While I was in the USAR it was a military edition of the GMC SUV, we called them CUTV's.

Wasn't the military version of the Chevy Blazer designated a CUCV?

I'm a military vehicle fan, but my interests are mostly confined to the WWII era. I can take you for a spin in my M29 Weasel.

93 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:31:58am

re: #77 Dustyvet

I'm getting that way...spend more time watching old movies on DVD's when folks could still act...

Recently watched Casablanca on DVD.
If they did a modern remake, Rick would pretend to help Lazlo and instead send him to the Nazis, while going off with the girl.

(Plus the interesting multilingual joke, that Capt. Renault crosses Major Strasse (Strasse=Street in German)

94 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:32:18am

re: #92 Alberta Oil Peon

Wasn't the military version of the Chevy Blazer designated a CUCV?

I'm a military vehicle fan, but my interests are mostly confined to the WWII era. I can take you for a spin in my M29 Weasel.

Sure...:) got a photo?

95 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:32:36am

re: #89 Dustyvet

M-561 6x6 Gama Goat 1 1/4-ton Truck

Now that I remember. Some offroad guys are taking the drive units out and installing them in Jeeps. Cool idea.

96 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:33:56am

re: #90 Dustyvet


And (DUST) we could make.....

Jezzz I hated cleaning the insides of my Huey... )-:

97 horse  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:35:23am

re: #92 Alberta Oil Peon


I'm a military vehicle fan, but my interests are mostly confined to the WWII era. I can take you for a spin in my M29 Weasel.

How freaking awesome that must be. The mini cooper version of an APC. You must live in the country with a few acres to enjoy that uber toy.

98 Max Darkside  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:35:48am

re: #45 Dustyvet

The same folks who gave us...

Gilligan's Island

Hey, don't knock Gilligan's Island. (smile)

/SKIPPER!

99 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:36:50am

re: #98 Max Darkside


Wasn't it up for sale about 15yrs ago?

100 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:38:00am

re: #96 Dustoff-507

And (DUST) we could make.....

Jezzz I hated cleaning the insides of my Huey... )-:

While i was at Don Tam Base in the delta, our unit was across the road from a Huey outfit. Thee things I remember, the smell of JP-4, the dust when they rook off on a mission, and it raining cho hoi slips on our unit, when they returned.

101 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:38:10am

Time to go.. have a great day.

102 RaiderDan  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:38:35am

Looks like the "partisan political operatives" set up the "journalistic knights" at CBS News all over again.

ROVE, YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!

103 Dustoff-507  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:39:22am

re: #100 Dustyvet


We use to drop Water balloons on a CAV unit. LOL

104 markie  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:39:28am

All that stuff really does look like the kind of stuff you see at gunshows or army-navy stores...copies and imitations, cheap knives and webgear. I don't blame CBS too much. It takes a lot of familiarity to know if its real, or a military expert to advise you..

105 jcm  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:39:30am

re: #88 Dustoff-507

LOL, another spew alert

Dustoff!

How ya' doing these days!

106 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:39:31am

re: #101 Dustoff-507

Time to go.. have a great day.

Take care Dustoff...:) see you soon...

107 FrogMarch  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:39:41am

CBS has such a great track record of honesty and integrity.

/pffft

108 Max Darkside  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:40:33am

re: #99 Dustoff-507

Wasn't it up for sale about 15yrs ago?

Ya, I think it was sold in a market in some remote Afghan village. At least CBS said so.

I love them old shows, Hogan's Heroes, Rat Patrol, COMBAT!, My Friend the Martian (I think it was).

109 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:42:52am

re: #108 Max Darkside

Ya, I think it was sold in a market in some remote Afghan village. At least CBS said so.

I love them old shows, Hogan's Heroes, Rat Patrol, COMBAT!, My Friend the Martian (I think it was).

My Mother The Car...

Tom Corbett Space Cadet...

Sky King...

Paladin...

110 Pietr  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:44:04am

re: #79 Dustyvet

It has been, when was the last time you heard "Three quarter ton"

Chevy had the 1000/2000/3000 model vans-mine was a 2000. Translate to 1/2, 1, and 1 1/2 ton vans. Ford IIRC, used the 750 and 1500-3/8 and 3/4 ton pickups.....

111 jcm  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:44:07am

re: #104 markie

All that stuff really does look like the kind of stuff you see at gunshows or army-navy stores...copies and imitations, cheap knives and webgear. I don't blame CBS too much. It takes a lot of familiarity to know if its real, or a military expert to advise you..

They just don't check, during the early days of Afghanistan cluster munitions made headlines. The Seattle Times printed a picture of "unexploded US cluster bombs." didn't look like no cluster bomb to me so I did a little checking. Took less than a minute to ID them Russian mortar rounds, I send the page from FAS to the Seattle times, and nada. They didn't care. Just a chance to bash the US Military.

112 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:46:09am

re: #94 Dustyvet

Sure...:) got a photo?

Photo of Weasel: here.

I have some better pictures, but this is the only one I have posted right now. The Weasel does run fine.


And here's a '45 Studebaker US6. This puppy is a work in progress, but it does move under its own power.

113 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:47:36am

re: #111 jcm

They just don't check, during the early days of Afghanistan cluster munitions made headlines. The Seattle Times printed a picture of "unexploded US cluster bombs." didn't look like no cluster bomb to me so I did a little checking. Took less than a minute to ID them Russian mortar rounds, I send the page from FAS to the Seattle times, and nada. They didn't care. Just a chance to bash the US Military.

Taliban capture a U S Army artillery piece....

Image: mortar.jpg

114 Max Darkside  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:47:41am

re: #109 Dustyvet

I don't remember "Tom Corbett Space Cadet"... I'll have to go search that one...

F-Troop. The Hekawi Indians, "It is balOOOn!"
The Green Hornet
The Rifleman
...

115 gonecamping  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:49:35am

Hey, some of that looks neat! Can I use my CBS cub reporter card to pick some up at the local Kinkos?

ps when I print up a CBS cub reporter card, do I have to misspell reporter or use a crayon for my picture?

116 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:51:15am

re: #114 Max Darkside

I don't remember "Tom Corbett Space Cadet"... I'll have to go search that one...

F-Troop. The Hekawi Indians, "It is balOOOn!"
The Green Hornet
The Rifleman
...

Chief: When was the last time the tribe did that?

Medicine Man: Many, many, many, many many, many, many, many moons ago!

Chief: Speak English!

Medicine Man: 23 years ago, last summer.

117 jcm  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:51:16am

re: #113 Dustyvet

Taliban capture a U S Army artillery piece....

[Link: www.paradesquare.ca...]

ROFLMAO!

Hey those are Top Secret how did they get one!

118 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:52:15am

re: #117 jcm

ROFLMAO!

Hey those are Top Secret how did they get one!

No idea, but the Gettysburg Battle Field is pissed....

119 Pietr  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:52:56am

re: #109 Dustyvet

My Mother The Car...

Tom Corbett Space Cadet...

Sky King...

Paladin...

Palladin, Palladin-where do you roam
If you ever settle down, will it be your home....

Good Ole Richard Boone-I loved that series....

120 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:53:10am

re: #115 gonecamping

Hey, some of that looks neat! Can I use my CBS cub reporter card to pick some up at the local Kinkos?

ps when I print up a CBS cub reporter card, do I have to misspell reporter or use a crayon for my picture?

Use the finger paints...:)

121 Max Darkside  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:54:07am

re: #116 Dustyvet

Medicine Man: 23 years ago, last summer.

Hahahahaaa.... I really like that show. It shows that once upon a time, humor could exist without vulgarity.

122 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:54:33am

re: #121 Max Darkside

Hahahahaaa.... I really like that show. It shows that once upon a time, humor could exist without vulgarity.

I know...:)

123 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:54:36am

re: #108 Max Darkside

Ya, I think it was sold in a market in some remote Afghan village. At least CBS said so.

I love them old shows, Hogan's Heroes, Rat Patrol, COMBAT!, My Friend the Martian (I think it was).

My Favorite Martian.
Looking back on it, that was a dumb show.

124 horse  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:55:10am

re: #104 markie

All that stuff really does look like the kind of stuff you see at gunshows or army-navy stores...copies and imitations, cheap knives and webgear. I don't blame CBS too much. It takes a lot of familiarity to know if its real, or a military expert to advise you..

They must have some subject matter expert on retainer who could spend 5 minutes pointing out the obvious discrepancies, and what they show in no way supports their hypothetical claim. They certainly wasted plenty of money producing a useless story that will now be used as club to bash their already badly bruised reputation. They must have a high level of confidence the democrats will be bailing them out in some manner.

125 JHW  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:56:08am

re: #120 Dustyvet

Dusty did you ever get to Tan An or Binh Phuoc? Spent most of my time there, my brother's battalion was on the barrack ship Benewah, I can't remember where your outfit was, but vaguely remember them at Bearcat when the Division first got overseas.

126 Max Darkside  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:00:04am

re: #122 Dustyvet

I know...:)

But that was many, many, many, many, many moons ago (SMILE)

127 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:00:38am

re: #125 JHW

Dusty did you ever get to Tan An or Binh Phuoc? Spent most of my time there, my brother's battalion was on the barrack ship Benewah, I can't remember where your outfit was, but vaguely remember them at Bearcat when the Division first got overseas.

They where at Bearcat till about January 1968, then they moved the whole division to Dong Tam, Have you looked at the 9th Division Web site?

THE "Old Reliables" Song

TRY HARDER

WE ARE THE OLD RELIABLES, WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU WHY,
WE ARE THE OLD RELIABLES, WE SHOUT IT TO THE SKY,
WE GAINED OUR FAME
AND MADE OUR NAME
ON EVERY FOREIGN SHORE,
WE ARE THE OLD RELIABLES, AND WE WILL BE BACK FOR MORE

TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE!

WE ARE THE OLD RELIABLES WE STARTED WAY BACK WHEN.
THE YEAR WAS 1918 AND WE STARTED TRAINING MEN,
TO BE THE BEST
AND MEET THE TEST
WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
WAVE FOUGHT ON RIGHT AND FREEDOM'S SIDE THROUGH ALL OUR
HISTORY.

TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE

OUR FIRST TRUE TEST HAD COME ABOUT IN 1942.
WE STARTED WITH A DESERT WAR, BUT AFTER WE WERE THROUGH,
WE'D CROSSED THE RHINE
IN RECORD TIME
RAMAGEN BRIDGE WAS WON
WE ALL WENT HOME AND FOR AWHILE WE HUNG UP SWORD AND
GUN

TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON.

THE YEARS HAD PASSED AND ONCE AGAIN THE VOICE OF DUTY
CALLED.
WE STRIVED FOR COMBAT READINESS SO WE WOULD NEVER FALL.
THEN HAIL AGAIN
TO GERMANY
TO BOLSTER OUR ALLY.
TO JOIN WITHIN THE NATO SHIELD, AND THIS WAS STILL OUR CRY,

TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE!

THEY CALLED US FROM THE ROCKIES TO OPEN THE MIDDLE WEST.
FORT RILEY MADE US READY FOR ANOTHER GRUELING TEST
WE LEFT AGAIN
NOT KNOWING WHEN
WE'D SEE OUR HOME ONCE MORE.
WE HIT THE BEACH AT PORT VUNG TAU, TO FIGHT A DELTA WAR.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE.

AT BEARCAT WE BEGAN TO FIGHT AND WE WERE DOING WELL.
AND THEN WE MOVED TO DONG TAM AND KEPT GIVING "CHARLIE"
HELL.
WITH MINI GUNS
AND TANGO BOATS
AND CONCENTRATED STEEL.
WE HOUNDED "CHARLIE" DAY AND NIGHT AND THEN WE MADE HIM
KNEEL.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON,
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE!
WE EARNED AWARDS FOR VALOR IN THE MUDDY DELTA LAND.
AND WHEN THE GENERAL PINNED THEM ON, THE 9TH DIVISION BAND,
PLAYED TRUMPET CALLS
AND ANTHEMS AND
A ROUSING MARCH OR TWO
TO BOLSTER THE ESPRIT D'CORPS AND SEE OUR SOLDIERS
THROUGH.

TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON,
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE!

WE HAVE A GROUP OF DOLLIES TO MAINTAIN OUR MORALE.

TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE!

128 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:01:15am

re: #126 Max Darkside

But that was many, many, many, many, many moons ago (SMILE)

Speak English!

129 Max Darkside  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:02:36am

re: #123 Kosh's Shadow

My Favorite Martian.
Looking back on it, that was a dumb show.

There you go. Yes, it was quite dumb. Sometimes after a hard day, dealing with complex interrelationships, contract negotiations, running continuously between bickering-meetings, you just need to veg out in the easy chair with some very dumb humor.

130 Max Darkside  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:03:41am

re: #128 Dustyvet

Speak English!

Ever been to Vung Tau? I've been once, going back later this year.

131 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:04:42am

re: #130 Max Darkside

Ever been to Vung Tau? I've been once, going back later this year.

Yes, in country R & R...:)

132 itellu3times  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:09:04am

Purty funny, but I'm reading this on the dead thread, and gotta go work or something. Good comments above. You go, CBS, for that low-IQ demographic.

133 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:09:16am

I have a pair of binoculars like the ones shown in the video. They look impressive, but they're not that great. Good for bird- and punk-watching in my neighborhood.

134 Dreader1962  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:11:03am

I looked at this video - it looked like some really poorly supplied flea-market crap. A few very old pieces of issued TA-50 and we're supposed to be outraged?

This is the same media that constantly tries to keep us from pursuing these terrorists. I remember the universal cheers when Bush claimed that we would go anywhere to get these people - apparently areas of Pakistan don't qualify.

With the recent decision (surrender) of the Pakistan government to give near autonomy to the tribal areas, someone else (go figure as to who) must move in to these areas to clean them out. Otherwise we truly have a Vietnam-like situation where areas supporting the enemy are kept 'off-limits' to our military.

135 JHW  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:11:46am

re: #127 Dustyvet

Yes, I've visited that website. Damn, I remember that song, I've never seen the lyrics before. I remember a civilian group came to FT. Riley and started singing that song( well, not exactly that one, but something like "The Mighty 9th Infantry"with cadences) the day the Division got its colors on Custer Hill. Thousands of troops went nuts, really pumped , made them sing it about 4 or 5 times over.

My brother's unit, 4/47 has a good website, the sound clips are a bit spooky.
9th I.D. 4/47 Inf.

I was asking about Tan an cause I remember that big temple by the highway, looked at modern Viet websites to see if it's still there. Can't find it, but found that Dong Tam is now a snake farm, was a NVA tilll recently.

136 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:11:50am

re: #133 Noam Sayin'

I have a pair of binoculars like the ones shown in the video. They look impressive, but they're not that great. Good for bird- and punk-watching in my neighborhood.

Punk watching? I thought they went south for the winter?...

/s

137 Dreader1962  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:13:41am

re: #33 Jonn Lilyea

It looks like the Taliban looted Ranger Joe's on Victory Blvd in Columbus, GA.

Nah - Ranger Joe's has better equipment (and a much better groomed clientele).

138 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:15:56am

re: #135 JHW

Yes, I've visited that website. Damn, I remember that song, I've never seen the lyrics before. I remember a civilian group came to FT. Riley and started singing that song( well, not exactly that one, but something like "The Mighty 9th Infantry"with cadences) the day the Division got its colors on Custer Hill. Thousands of troops went nuts, really pumped , made them sing it about 4 or 5 times over.

My brother's unit, 4/47 has a good website, the sound clips are a bit spooky.
9th I.D. 4/47 Inf.

I was asking about Tan an cause I remember that big temple by the highway, looked at modern Viet websites to see if it's still there. Can't find it, but found that Dong Tam is now a snake farm, was a NVA tilll recently.

[Link: brownwater-navy.com...]

139 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:17:35am

Dong Tam Base


140 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:19:00am

9th Infantry Division: Mobile Riverine Force, Vietnam War


141 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:20:59am

Vietnam An Loc

142 thefallingman  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:23:38am

The only things that look even remotely legit are easily purchased on line. Those ACU knee pads for instance.

143 Dreader1962  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:24:54am

re: #94 Dustyvet

A quick reference:

Wiki on CUCV

144 JHW  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:25:28am

Thanks for these, I'm saving them.
Her's what they've got there now.
Dong Tam Snake Farm photos

Viet Gov't site on Dong Tam snake farm

Dong Tam also has a collection of mutant turtles and fish on display. The cause of their genetic deformities is almost certainly the spraying of Agent Orange during the American War, which was particularly intensive in the forested parts of the Mekong Delta.

The snake farm is operated by the Vietnamese military for profit and is open to the public. The restaurant here includes cobra on the menu and there's a shop where you can stock up on cobra antivenin.


Another site on same

145 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:26:21am

re: #143 Dreader1962

A quick reference:

Wiki on CUCV

Thanks, it's been awhile...:)

146 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:29:12am

re: #144 JHW

Thanks for these, I'm saving them.
Her's what they've got there now.
Dong Tam Snake Farm photos

Viet Gov't site on Dong Tam snake farm


Another site on same

I had always thought all the buildings where gone and the jungle reclaimed the place. Thanks for the links.

147 damnyanqui  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:29:53am

It's just like CNN's stupid old "Operation Tailwind" scandal starring "Baghdad Peter" Arnett.
Or, of course, beloved CBS and the phony memos.
How could they believe allegations so outrageous without some really solid proof to back them up?
Because they WANTED to believe!
Yes it makes the duped journalists look dumb in the short term.
But in the long term, it adds to a constantly building mass of negative stories about America that, even though they're almost ALL bogus, still create a vague and building negative feeling in an inattentive American public (and an already hostile foreign public) that keeps building even after these stupid fabrications are debunked.
This crap is not disseminated without harm.
After Newsweek's phony story about Koran flushing at Gitmo, people actually died in rioting.
And, after the endless, false, stream of anti-American sewage coming through the media about Iraq, Washington, and American society, LOOK WHAT WE DID TO OURSELVES IN NOVEMBER OF 2008!
The price of this malign malfeasance is still being paid and it will be dear.

148 The Other Les  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:37:37am

re: #33 Jonn Lilyea

It looks like the Taliban looted Ranger Joe's on Victory Blvd in Columbus, GA.

Do they still have the old navy pressure suit on display there?

149 gregb  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:01:18am

Maybe the average Pakistani terrorist (or CBS producer) doesn't know the difference between sophisticated night goggles and Oakley Atomic orange or fire Iridium color RADARs. [Link: oakley.com...]

Maybe they really do live in caves.

150 lawrior  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:05:59pm

Facts? Bah, we don't have the time to be slowed down by such trifling matters. Any story that paints the USA in a bad light can't be wrong!

151 scjeff  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:28:23pm

Once again, defeated by their faux.

152 Ron Shaw  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:34:32pm

CBS? Fooled, again? Say it ain't so...LOL

153 code red 21  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:48:09pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Charles- did you set up CBS again?

You know there are people out there who probably actually believe Charles did set them up. LOL

154 Render  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:52:28pm

VoW is quite correct. CBS stepped in it again. Nothing they showed in that video is standard US military issue, except for the brief clips of actual US soldiers, in actual US bases.

What we're seeing here is CBS refusing to go into the actual Pakistani arms bazaars.

They didn't go into Darra Adam Khel, where one can buy cheap hand made copies of almost any gun made...

Including copies of the M-16 series, the Steyr AUG series, modified Mini-14's, Mossberg and Remington shotguns, WW1 German Luger's, and anything of Russian design. Almost none of it was really made by the original companies, not even the Lee-Enfield knock-offs.

China makes it's own reverse engineered copy of the M-16. So does Iran.

Not only is this CBS story bogus, but it covers up the truth about the Pakistani illegal arms markets and who is currently in control of Darra Adam Khel.

But we already knew that when we saw the CBS logo.

LIES
TO
FIT,
R

155 J'accuzzi  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:35:13pm

Sheila MacVicar. Now there is ........Cartoon U Ottawa for "journalism" followed by the CBC many many eons ago....... No room at al-Jazzderheera?

The stuff on display is likely meant for the Afghan Army or somebody else. Was probably substituted somewhere along the line and the good stuff (if it ever existed) "disappeared".

156 Render  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:40:13pm

re: #155 J'accuzzi

You talking about the stuff on display in the CBS vid? Not intended for any army, any where.

Unless you count the Taliban as an army...

It's all, (with the exception of the material shown actually in use by US military), cheap knock off junk.

ALL,
R

157 Tom Taylor  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 3:26:44pm

Haven't I seen some of this stuff abandoned by the Georgians to the Russians last time?

Wow some Kneepads and a "3L Water Hydration Backpack" in ACU camo. We are so screwed!

But I have seen some Automatic Pistols, looking like Glocks and one with Tritium makers

158 screaming_eagle  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:20:27pm

CBS knows about as much about the military as our current president does.

159 Flighterdoc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:31:04pm

re: #81 Dustoff-507

He doc, what unit?

Oh, I was (am) a Zoomie - 52 TFW back in the day, did a bit in the 40th ID-M (CAL ARNG, Med PLT leader) went to med school and have contracted a bit...

160 Flighterdoc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:34:07pm

re: #109 Dustyvet

My Mother The Car...

Tom Corbett Space Cadet...

Sky King...

Paladin...

Well, except for MMTC those were all GREAT shows!

161 skysoldier  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:28:42pm

Yeah, there is a lot of BS about what is US equipment in that clip. This yet again shows the laziness and bias of CBS. Actual military hardware such as weapons, munnition, nightvision, CBRN equipment or anything else that is a controlled item is not given to TCNs to be convoyed into Afghanistan on jingle trucks. The shame of it all is this sloppy reporting undercuts a very valid point. We have been denied Manas air base and the land route from Pakistan IS very dangerous, believe me many of the trucks show up with bullet holes in them. Things have gotten to the point where supply is starting to become a problem for the 30K US troops here and I doubt they have fully planned out the logistical problems of doubling that number.


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