A CBS News story on US military equipment supposedly “looted” in Afghanistan is apparently bogus, according to The Voice of Warriors: CBS News fooled by Faux military equipment in Pakistan.
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astronmr20 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:38am |
Charles, there is no text on the article.. just the blog.
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DistantThunder Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:40am |
See what I mean....Hey TIME - Look over here!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:51:54am |
Were there rubber-band guns? Those things'll sting.
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kansas Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:52:54am |
OT
Cafferty not fooled on this.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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n in wi Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:53:20am |
re: #4 astronmr20
Charles, there is no text on the article.. just the blog.
No text,no pictures and yet it's enough to fool CBS
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scottishbuzzsaw Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:53:30am |
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Racer X Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:53:46am |
re: #4 astronmr20
Charles, there is no text on the article.. just the blog.
Scroll down and click "February"
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DeafDog Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:53:51am |
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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:08am |
From the posting:
Everyone who has been in the military, especially to Iraq or Afghanistan, within the last few years needs to watch the first part of this video. Look at the "military equipment" CBS is pushing as recently stolen or "looted" from US Forces. You will notice that it's equipment we aren't even issued. Also, they blatantly lie when attempting to show night vision equipment, which isn't night vision equipment at all.
00:02 the video shows some a series of boots. Out of the three pair, two are black leather boots. When is the last time any of us deployed with black leather boots? Hell in the Marine Corps they aren't even issued; you can't wear them. The military isn't shipping black boots to Afghanistan. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Also, the tan boots are brand new, and are not even US issued for either the Marines or the US Army. Finally, in the frame you will see the tri-color camouflage shirt, brand new. The Marine Corps and most Army units don't issue this camouflage print any longer. Digital print is the standard. There are a few units that still have them but most don't'. CBS hasn't done their homework.
00:05 the narrator states "even high power binoculars," as footage of some man in a hadji dress picks up a pair of cheap looking binos. I can't believe CBS fell for this, or just ignored the reality. The various assortment of military issued binoculars don't look like this. Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong.
00:07 the narrator continues, "...and sophisticated night vision gear." Can someone please tell me what the camera is looking at. It looks like a couple rifle magazines at the bottom, and various black and grey bags, possibly protective containers for Oakley or other issued eye wear. I don't see any night vision equipment or anything that remotely resembles night vision equipment. I'm not saying it wasn't there, NVGs and NODs can be found all over, but the video is supposedly, according to the narrator, showing night vision devices.
00:09 does show US Army knee pads and hydration pack. At least that is what the camouflage pattern looks like. When you look at the video angle this footage does not show a market place setting typical to what is found in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
00:11 shows knives, none of which are us issued to US forces.
00:18 shows a distance shot of some camouflage shirts, none are US military print.
00:20 Does show a case that says "Property of US government." If someone knows what kinda case this is please let me know.
00:21 shows the old olive drab canteen and canteen cover. This is an older issued item, although to be fair it could still be issued to some units. However, the carrying case for the canteen would most likely have been changed. For example, the Marine Corps issues the old canteen but the covers are newer camo print, not the old olive drab.
00:24 the narrator says that "we are told there are US weapons for sale here to." Of course she shows none.
If you have trouble, keep reloading the page; it took me about 5 tries
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Bumr50 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:18am |
Why is the "expert" British?
I don't bring in a Swami to talk about a Big Mac.
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Peacekeeper Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:38am |
There it is. I had to click on the blank area.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:39am |
I'm not getting any text, either. Oh well. If CBS wants faux military equipment, I can get them rifles made out paper towel rolls and toilet paper rolls, swords cut out of boxes, and grenades made out of legos.
We have a regular fake-weaponry factory around here.
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calcajun Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:45am |
Nice to see Karl Rove still dabbling in politics. He IS a magnificent bastard.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:54:52am |
If anyone gets "no article" ... refresh the page.
That worked for me.
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:55:57am |
The panic laden voice of the reporter annoys me.
It makes me want to join a monastery.
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:56:33am |
re: #8 EmmmieG
Were there rubber-band guns? Those things'll sting.
In the crate next to container marked CROSS BOWS...:)
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calcajun Tue, Feb 17, 2009 8:58:21am |
re: #30 Dustyvet
In the crate next to container marked CROSS BOWS...:)
No, that one had US-issued pointed sticks.
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:00:00am |
re: #22 Bumr50
He is British because his snooty accent lends credence to his words in the minds of simpletons, IMHO.
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Jonn Lilyea Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:00:15am |
It looks like the Taliban looted Ranger Joe's on Victory Blvd in Columbus, GA.
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scottishbuzzsaw Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:01:08am |
This video is suspect to say the least. I'm not saying it's fake, but CBS didn't show what they said they were showing. At best they were fooled and at worst they were disingenuous. It was a complete scam with regards to the American equipment footage. The only thing she showed was a knee pad, hydration system and an old canteen. The rest was just equipment you find find anywhere.
I'd bet on disingenuous...
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:01:10am |
re: #31 calcajun
No, that one had US-issued pointed sticks.
Oh sorry, I was busy digging in the box of English long bows...looking for a good pluck yew...:)
/s
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notutopia Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:01:14am |
Ha Ha Ha on CBS. All they needed to do was get a real
marine to look at that equipment to see that you can buy any of that used, or non military issue equipment at any Surplus store. What a sad joke they are for war correspondents! No credibility in their research work at all. Fools.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:01:42am |
Why should CBS let accuracy and facts stand in the way of agenda?
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astronmr20 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:02:38am |
I believe the proper term in journalism here is "pwned."
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rawmuse Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:03:17am |
CBS - the only network where, after you watch it, you are noticeably dumber.
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varmint Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:04:13am |
the "weapons" are identical to those sold in the novelty shops on hollywood boulevard. which are also owned by pakistanis, oddly enough.
if cbs had panned over, i'd expect to see fake scar statues and leather jackets with axl rose painted on the back.
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pat Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:04:53am |
Indian and Chinese stuff. Binoculars just might be Russian, in which case they are very good, but no single finger focusing.
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rawmuse Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:04:55am |
re: #33 Jonn Lilyea
It looks like the Taliban looted Ranger Joe's on Victory Blvd in Columbus, GA.
I was gonna say, a lot of that stuff is standard MilSurp, I even own a lot of those things. Except for the shiny black boots, screw that.
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:05:13am |
re: #40 rawmuse
CBS - the only network where, after you watch it, you are noticeably dumber.
The same folks who gave us...
Gilligan's Island
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:05:18am |
OMG
Is CBS really that "stupid"
Ok, I know the answer to that, but please........ 0-:
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:05:30am |
re: #37 notutopia
Ha Ha Ha on CBS. All they needed to do was get a real
marine to look at that equipment to see that you can buy any of that used, or non military issue equipment at any Surplus store. What a sad joke they are for war correspondents! No credibility in their research work at all. Fools.
What do you expect from people who call anything with tracks a "tank"?
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:06:25am |
re: #46 Dustoff-507
OMG
Is CBS really that "stupid"Ok, I know the answer to that, but please........ 0-:
yup, yup, yup...:)
next question...
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:06:34am |
re: #47 Ward Cleaver
Heck a kid from the Boy Scouts would have known better.
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DisturbedEma Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:07:22am |
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:08:17am |
re: #50 Dustoff-507
Where do these fools come from... ?
umm, the same crew who gave us the Bush memo's?
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varmint Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:09:07am |
pilferage is a real problem. go to any pawn shop near a major military base and you'll find standard equipment for sale. so i'd be very surprised if at least that wasn't happening in pakistan.
but the story just so perfectly illustrates the problem of letting a journalism major, with no experience of being other than a journalist, cover the war.
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:10:06am |
re: #52 Dustyvet
LOL...
The second I saw the boots I almost fell off my chair.
Yeah them are combat boots alright, back when you and I was in the service...
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:11:05am |
re: #54 Dustoff-507
LOL...
The second I saw the boots I almost fell off my chair.
Yeah them are combat boots alright, back when you and I was in the service...
Yuppers...:) They must be getting those on ebay...
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Haole Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:11:39am |
Did they show any Obama coins? Complete with decal of authenticity?
/
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Silhouette Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:11:46am |
It fits the media agenda, which is "Fighting back makes it worse."
Having an army there is only "creating more terrorists" and arming them too!
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:13:30am |
re: #56 Dustyvet
WOW, they have E-bay in Packie stand I never knew.
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:15:10am |
re: #57 Haole
Did they show any Obama coins? Complete with decal of authenticity?
/
Most of the Obama coins which use a Presidential Dollar for the host coin are colorized through the application of a decal, which is permanently fused to the coin's surface using a hot glue process. In doing so, these marketers are wiping out the faces of our nation's Founding Fathers and placing their garish colorized designs on our U.S. legal tender coinage. The result is a coin that is numismatically worthless; in other words, these colorized Obama coins will never have any value to coin collectors as collectible Presidential Dollars because the original surfaces of the coins have been destroyed by the colorization process.
[Link: coins.about.com...]
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:15:44am |
re: #59 Dustoff-507
WOW, they have E-bay in Packie stand I never knew.
Yeah I just bought a goat last week...:)
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:16:39am |
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:17:08am |
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:17:34am |
re: #61 Dustyvet
OMG...
SPEW alert. Dusty you just shorted out my keyboard! (-:
coffee does not get along well with electrical.
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:18:37am |
re: #63 Dustyvet
And a duce and a half...:)
Sweet, haven't see that word in YEARS...
Jezzz I'm getting old.
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:18:37am |
re: #65 Dustoff-507
OMG...
SPEW alert. Dusty you just shorted out my keyboard! (-:
coffee does not get along well with electrical.
Have a Sham-Wow...:)
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Zimriel Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:18:56am |
To put in a good word for CBS's Central Asia coverage: they did run a good piece, on 60 Minutes last Sunday, on the problems in Pakistan's frontier province.
But they weren't showing recently unburied treasure. They were showing interviews, and live footage of the front. This hoax has just undercut everything good they said this week.
CBS needs to learn that when their story relies on a "recently discovered evidence zOMFG!1" which is conveniently served up to them by a rabid partisan, it's not as effective. They ALSO need to learn that when they have a story at 6 PM and bullshit at 7, the stench of the latter spreads to the former.
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:19:23am |
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:19:35am |
re: #66 Dustoff-507
Sweet, haven't see that word in YEARS...
Jezzz I'm getting old.
aww remember CUTV?
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:20:22am |
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Kenneth Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:20:31am |
re: #50 Dustoff-507
Where do these fools come from... ?
Most journalists have no actual knowledge of the military but they do have an overwhelming desire to print anti-military stories. Consider this classic:
NYT caption: Pakistani men with the remains of a missile
When it was pointed out the intact object in the picture was not a missile, let alone the "remains" of an exploded missile, AFP ran a correction:
Correction: A picture caption on Saturday with an article about a U.S. airstrike on a village in Pakistan misidentified an unexploded ordinance. It was not the remains of a missile fired at a house.
They also spelled "ordnance" wrong. Oh, well… that's not all that was wrong. The photo wasn't even of a village in Pakistan, it was from Afghanistan, and the decades old artillery shell was Russian, not American.
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Rexatosis Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:21:57am |
Hey, don't be too hard on CBS, it's the Bush economy, they had to let all the American fact checkers go and just took the word of the Pakistani merchants who would never lie to a paying customer unlike evil American Corporations.///////
And if you buy that I got a big bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.
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Pietr Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:21:58am |
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horse Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:22:44am |
The Can't Be Straight with military stories network strikes again.
What is interesting is they imply any surge in troops will result in more pilferage and therefore more instability, even though an Afgan surge is one of the most tangible security objectives their golden child has supported. Hmmm, perhaps this is a confirmation of rumors that the current admin now wants to back out of Afgan and the media will now help by providing convenient excuses.
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:22:48am |
re: #73 Dustoff-507
No... I'm not much of a TV person.
I'm getting that way...spend more time watching old movies on DVD's when folks could still act...
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:24:18am |
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:24:52am |
re: #77 Dustyvet
So CUTV is what?
even as a kid, TV was never my big thing... Heck just look outside some where and you would fine me.
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:26:27am |
re: #80 Dustoff-507
So CUTV is what?
even as a kid, TV was never my big thing... Heck just look outside some where and you would fine me.
While I was in the USAR it was a military edition of the GMC SUV, we called them CUTV's.
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Lizard by the Bay Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:27:21am |
Hey, the largest political party in this country doesn't even know what an American soldier looks like (they've frequently had pictures of Canadian forces on their website with captions erroneously claiming they're American), so can we really be angry at CBS for not being able to spot genuine US Army equipment?
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jcm Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:28:05am |
Everyone in the media knows jackbooted thugs wear black boots....
/////////
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:29:11am |
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:29:43am |
re: #82 Dustoff-507
is that anything like (Prop-wash) LOL
LOL, no it was a truck the army used in Vietnam, but then that brings back the memories of this thing.
M-561 6x6 Gama Goat 1 1/4-ton Truck
The M-561 Gama Goat (or Gamma Goat as it is also spelled) was described as the Truck, Cargo, Articulated, 1 1/4 ton, 6x6, M561 with or without winch, NSN 2320-00-873-5407. It was manufactured during the late 1960's and early 1970's by the Consolidated Diesel Electric Company, as shown on the dataplate below. It was named for Roger Gamaunt who invented the key part, the articulated power joint between the tractor cab and cargo body trailer, plus "goat" for its high mobility capabilities. The Truck, Ambulance, M792 was the only variant of the Gama Goat.
[Link: www.olive-drab.com...]
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:30:18am |
re: #87 Dustoff-507
Really? WOW.
I saw many 2 1/2 trucks and jeeps... Remeber I'm a Helo guys.
Oh right...:) Huey's...:)
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Alberta Oil Peon Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:30:59am |
re: #83 Dustyvet
While I was in the USAR it was a military edition of the GMC SUV, we called them CUTV's.
Wasn't the military version of the Chevy Blazer designated a CUCV?
I'm a military vehicle fan, but my interests are mostly confined to the WWII era. I can take you for a spin in my M29 Weasel.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:31:58am |
re: #77 Dustyvet
I'm getting that way...spend more time watching old movies on DVD's when folks could still act...
Recently watched Casablanca on DVD.
If they did a modern remake, Rick would pretend to help Lazlo and instead send him to the Nazis, while going off with the girl.
(Plus the interesting multilingual joke, that Capt. Renault crosses Major Strasse (Strasse=Street in German)
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:32:18am |
re: #92 Alberta Oil Peon
Wasn't the military version of the Chevy Blazer designated a CUCV?
I'm a military vehicle fan, but my interests are mostly confined to the WWII era. I can take you for a spin in my M29 Weasel.
Sure...:) got a photo?
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:32:36am |
re: #89 Dustyvet
M-561 6x6 Gama Goat 1 1/4-ton Truck
Now that I remember. Some offroad guys are taking the drive units out and installing them in Jeeps. Cool idea.
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:33:56am |
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horse Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:35:23am |
re: #92 Alberta Oil Peon
I'm a military vehicle fan, but my interests are mostly confined to the WWII era. I can take you for a spin in my M29 Weasel.
How freaking awesome that must be. The mini cooper version of an APC. You must live in the country with a few acres to enjoy that uber toy.
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Max Darkside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:35:48am |
re: #45 Dustyvet
The same folks who gave us...
Gilligan's Island
Hey, don't knock Gilligan's Island. (smile)
/SKIPPER!
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:36:50am |
re: #98 Max Darkside
Wasn't it up for sale about 15yrs ago?
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:38:00am |
re: #96 Dustoff-507
And (DUST) we could make.....
Jezzz I hated cleaning the insides of my Huey... )-:
While i was at Don Tam Base in the delta, our unit was across the road from a Huey outfit. Thee things I remember, the smell of JP-4, the dust when they rook off on a mission, and it raining cho hoi slips on our unit, when they returned.
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RaiderDan Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:38:35am |
Looks like the "partisan political operatives" set up the "journalistic knights" at CBS News all over again.
ROVE, YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!
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Dustoff-507 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:39:22am |
re: #100 Dustyvet
We use to drop Water balloons on a CAV unit. LOL
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markie Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:39:28am |
All that stuff really does look like the kind of stuff you see at gunshows or army-navy stores...copies and imitations, cheap knives and webgear. I don't blame CBS too much. It takes a lot of familiarity to know if its real, or a military expert to advise you..
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:39:31am |
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FrogMarch Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:39:41am |
CBS has such a great track record of honesty and integrity.
/pffft
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Max Darkside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:40:33am |
re: #99 Dustoff-507
Wasn't it up for sale about 15yrs ago?
Ya, I think it was sold in a market in some remote Afghan village. At least CBS said so.
I love them old shows, Hogan's Heroes, Rat Patrol, COMBAT!, My Friend the Martian (I think it was).
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:42:52am |
re: #108 Max Darkside
Ya, I think it was sold in a market in some remote Afghan village. At least CBS said so.
I love them old shows, Hogan's Heroes, Rat Patrol, COMBAT!, My Friend the Martian (I think it was).
My Mother The Car...
Tom Corbett Space Cadet...
Sky King...
Paladin...
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Pietr Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:44:04am |
re: #79 Dustyvet
It has been, when was the last time you heard "Three quarter ton"
Chevy had the 1000/2000/3000 model vans-mine was a 2000. Translate to 1/2, 1, and 1 1/2 ton vans. Ford IIRC, used the 750 and 1500-3/8 and 3/4 ton pickups.....
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jcm Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:44:07am |
re: #104 markie
All that stuff really does look like the kind of stuff you see at gunshows or army-navy stores...copies and imitations, cheap knives and webgear. I don't blame CBS too much. It takes a lot of familiarity to know if its real, or a military expert to advise you..
They just don't check, during the early days of Afghanistan cluster munitions made headlines. The Seattle Times printed a picture of "unexploded US cluster bombs." didn't look like no cluster bomb to me so I did a little checking. Took less than a minute to ID them Russian mortar rounds, I send the page from FAS to the Seattle times, and nada. They didn't care. Just a chance to bash the US Military.
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Alberta Oil Peon Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:46:09am |
re: #94 Dustyvet
Sure...:) got a photo?
Photo of Weasel: here.
I have some better pictures, but this is the only one I have posted right now. The Weasel does run fine.
And here's a '45 Studebaker US6. This puppy is a work in progress, but it does move under its own power.
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:47:36am |
re: #111 jcm
They just don't check, during the early days of Afghanistan cluster munitions made headlines. The Seattle Times printed a picture of "unexploded US cluster bombs." didn't look like no cluster bomb to me so I did a little checking. Took less than a minute to ID them Russian mortar rounds, I send the page from FAS to the Seattle times, and nada. They didn't care. Just a chance to bash the US Military.
Taliban capture a U S Army artillery piece....
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Max Darkside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:47:41am |
re: #109 Dustyvet
I don't remember "Tom Corbett Space Cadet"... I'll have to go search that one...
F-Troop. The Hekawi Indians, "It is balOOOn!"
The Green Hornet
The Rifleman
...
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gonecamping Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:49:35am |
Hey, some of that looks neat! Can I use my CBS cub reporter card to pick some up at the local Kinkos?
ps when I print up a CBS cub reporter card, do I have to misspell reporter or use a crayon for my picture?
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:51:15am |
re: #114 Max Darkside
I don't remember "Tom Corbett Space Cadet"... I'll have to go search that one...
F-Troop. The Hekawi Indians, "It is balOOOn!"
The Green Hornet
The Rifleman
...
Chief: When was the last time the tribe did that?
Medicine Man: Many, many, many, many many, many, many, many moons ago!
Chief: Speak English!
Medicine Man: 23 years ago, last summer.
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jcm Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:51:16am |
re: #113 Dustyvet
Taliban capture a U S Army artillery piece....
[Link: www.paradesquare.ca...]
ROFLMAO!
Hey those are Top Secret how did they get one!
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:52:15am |
re: #117 jcm
ROFLMAO!
Hey those are Top Secret how did they get one!
No idea, but the Gettysburg Battle Field is pissed....
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Pietr Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:52:56am |
re: #109 Dustyvet
My Mother The Car...
Tom Corbett Space Cadet...
Sky King...
Paladin...
Palladin, Palladin-where do you roam
If you ever settle down, will it be your home....
Good Ole Richard Boone-I loved that series....
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:53:10am |
re: #115 gonecamping
Hey, some of that looks neat! Can I use my CBS cub reporter card to pick some up at the local Kinkos?
ps when I print up a CBS cub reporter card, do I have to misspell reporter or use a crayon for my picture?
Use the finger paints...:)
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Max Darkside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:54:07am |
re: #116 Dustyvet
Medicine Man: 23 years ago, last summer.
Hahahahaaa.... I really like that show. It shows that once upon a time, humor could exist without vulgarity.
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:54:33am |
re: #121 Max Darkside
Hahahahaaa.... I really like that show. It shows that once upon a time, humor could exist without vulgarity.
I know...:)
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:54:36am |
re: #108 Max Darkside
Ya, I think it was sold in a market in some remote Afghan village. At least CBS said so.
I love them old shows, Hogan's Heroes, Rat Patrol, COMBAT!, My Friend the Martian (I think it was).
My Favorite Martian.
Looking back on it, that was a dumb show.
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horse Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:55:10am |
re: #104 markie
All that stuff really does look like the kind of stuff you see at gunshows or army-navy stores...copies and imitations, cheap knives and webgear. I don't blame CBS too much. It takes a lot of familiarity to know if its real, or a military expert to advise you..
They must have some subject matter expert on retainer who could spend 5 minutes pointing out the obvious discrepancies, and what they show in no way supports their hypothetical claim. They certainly wasted plenty of money producing a useless story that will now be used as club to bash their already badly bruised reputation. They must have a high level of confidence the democrats will be bailing them out in some manner.
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JHW Tue, Feb 17, 2009 9:56:08am |
re: #120 Dustyvet
Dusty did you ever get to Tan An or Binh Phuoc? Spent most of my time there, my brother's battalion was on the barrack ship Benewah, I can't remember where your outfit was, but vaguely remember them at Bearcat when the Division first got overseas.
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Max Darkside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:00:04am |
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:00:38am |
re: #125 JHW
Dusty did you ever get to Tan An or Binh Phuoc? Spent most of my time there, my brother's battalion was on the barrack ship Benewah, I can't remember where your outfit was, but vaguely remember them at Bearcat when the Division first got overseas.
They where at Bearcat till about January 1968, then they moved the whole division to Dong Tam, Have you looked at the 9th Division Web site?
THE "Old Reliables" Song
TRY HARDER
WE ARE THE OLD RELIABLES, WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU WHY,
WE ARE THE OLD RELIABLES, WE SHOUT IT TO THE SKY,
WE GAINED OUR FAME
AND MADE OUR NAME
ON EVERY FOREIGN SHORE,
WE ARE THE OLD RELIABLES, AND WE WILL BE BACK FOR MORE
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE!
WE ARE THE OLD RELIABLES WE STARTED WAY BACK WHEN.
THE YEAR WAS 1918 AND WE STARTED TRAINING MEN,
TO BE THE BEST
AND MEET THE TEST
WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
WAVE FOUGHT ON RIGHT AND FREEDOM'S SIDE THROUGH ALL OUR
HISTORY.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE
OUR FIRST TRUE TEST HAD COME ABOUT IN 1942.
WE STARTED WITH A DESERT WAR, BUT AFTER WE WERE THROUGH,
WE'D CROSSED THE RHINE
IN RECORD TIME
RAMAGEN BRIDGE WAS WON
WE ALL WENT HOME AND FOR AWHILE WE HUNG UP SWORD AND
GUN
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON.
THE YEARS HAD PASSED AND ONCE AGAIN THE VOICE OF DUTY
CALLED.
WE STRIVED FOR COMBAT READINESS SO WE WOULD NEVER FALL.
THEN HAIL AGAIN
TO GERMANY
TO BOLSTER OUR ALLY.
TO JOIN WITHIN THE NATO SHIELD, AND THIS WAS STILL OUR CRY,
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE!
THEY CALLED US FROM THE ROCKIES TO OPEN THE MIDDLE WEST.
FORT RILEY MADE US READY FOR ANOTHER GRUELING TEST
WE LEFT AGAIN
NOT KNOWING WHEN
WE'D SEE OUR HOME ONCE MORE.
WE HIT THE BEACH AT PORT VUNG TAU, TO FIGHT A DELTA WAR.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE.
AT BEARCAT WE BEGAN TO FIGHT AND WE WERE DOING WELL.
AND THEN WE MOVED TO DONG TAM AND KEPT GIVING "CHARLIE"
HELL.
WITH MINI GUNS
AND TANGO BOATS
AND CONCENTRATED STEEL.
WE HOUNDED "CHARLIE" DAY AND NIGHT AND THEN WE MADE HIM
KNEEL.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON,
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE!
WE EARNED AWARDS FOR VALOR IN THE MUDDY DELTA LAND.
AND WHEN THE GENERAL PINNED THEM ON, THE 9TH DIVISION BAND,
PLAYED TRUMPET CALLS
AND ANTHEMS AND
A ROUSING MARCH OR TWO
TO BOLSTER THE ESPRIT D'CORPS AND SEE OUR SOLDIERS
THROUGH.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, THE VICTORY IS WON,
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE!
WE HAVE A GROUP OF DOLLIES TO MAINTAIN OUR MORALE.
TRY HARDER, TRY HARDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE NUMBER ONE!
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:01:15am |
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Max Darkside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:02:36am |
re: #123 Kosh's Shadow
My Favorite Martian.
Looking back on it, that was a dumb show.
There you go. Yes, it was quite dumb. Sometimes after a hard day, dealing with complex interrelationships, contract negotiations, running continuously between bickering-meetings, you just need to veg out in the easy chair with some very dumb humor.
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Max Darkside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:03:41am |
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:04:42am |
re: #130 Max Darkside
Ever been to Vung Tau? I've been once, going back later this year.
Yes, in country R & R...:)
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itellu3times Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:09:04am |
Purty funny, but I'm reading this on the dead thread, and gotta go work or something. Good comments above. You go, CBS, for that low-IQ demographic.
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:09:16am |
I have a pair of binoculars like the ones shown in the video. They look impressive, but they're not that great. Good for bird- and punk-watching in my neighborhood.
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Dreader1962 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:11:03am |
I looked at this video - it looked like some really poorly supplied flea-market crap. A few very old pieces of issued TA-50 and we're supposed to be outraged?
This is the same media that constantly tries to keep us from pursuing these terrorists. I remember the universal cheers when Bush claimed that we would go anywhere to get these people - apparently areas of Pakistan don't qualify.
With the recent decision (surrender) of the Pakistan government to give near autonomy to the tribal areas, someone else (go figure as to who) must move in to these areas to clean them out. Otherwise we truly have a Vietnam-like situation where areas supporting the enemy are kept 'off-limits' to our military.
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JHW Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:11:46am |
re: #127 Dustyvet
Yes, I've visited that website. Damn, I remember that song, I've never seen the lyrics before. I remember a civilian group came to FT. Riley and started singing that song( well, not exactly that one, but something like "The Mighty 9th Infantry"with cadences) the day the Division got its colors on Custer Hill. Thousands of troops went nuts, really pumped , made them sing it about 4 or 5 times over.
My brother's unit, 4/47 has a good website, the sound clips are a bit spooky.
9th I.D. 4/47 Inf.
I was asking about Tan an cause I remember that big temple by the highway, looked at modern Viet websites to see if it's still there. Can't find it, but found that Dong Tam is now a snake farm, was a NVA tilll recently.
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:11:50am |
re: #133 Noam Sayin'
I have a pair of binoculars like the ones shown in the video. They look impressive, but they're not that great. Good for bird- and punk-watching in my neighborhood.
Punk watching? I thought they went south for the winter?...
/s
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Dreader1962 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:13:41am |
re: #33 Jonn Lilyea
It looks like the Taliban looted Ranger Joe's on Victory Blvd in Columbus, GA.
Nah - Ranger Joe's has better equipment (and a much better groomed clientele).
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:15:56am |
re: #135 JHW
Yes, I've visited that website. Damn, I remember that song, I've never seen the lyrics before. I remember a civilian group came to FT. Riley and started singing that song( well, not exactly that one, but something like "The Mighty 9th Infantry"with cadences) the day the Division got its colors on Custer Hill. Thousands of troops went nuts, really pumped , made them sing it about 4 or 5 times over.
My brother's unit, 4/47 has a good website, the sound clips are a bit spooky.
9th I.D. 4/47 Inf.I was asking about Tan an cause I remember that big temple by the highway, looked at modern Viet websites to see if it's still there. Can't find it, but found that Dong Tam is now a snake farm, was a NVA tilll recently.
[Link: brownwater-navy.com...]
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:19:00am |
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thefallingman Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:23:38am |
The only things that look even remotely legit are easily purchased on line. Those ACU knee pads for instance.
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Dreader1962 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:24:54am |
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JHW Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:25:28am |
Thanks for these, I'm saving them.
Her's what they've got there now.
Dong Tam Snake Farm photos
Viet Gov't site on Dong Tam snake farm
Dong Tam also has a collection of mutant turtles and fish on display. The cause of their genetic deformities is almost certainly the spraying of Agent Orange during the American War, which was particularly intensive in the forested parts of the Mekong Delta.The snake farm is operated by the Vietnamese military for profit and is open to the public. The restaurant here includes cobra on the menu and there's a shop where you can stock up on cobra antivenin.
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:26:21am |
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Dustyvet Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:29:12am |
re: #144 JHW
Thanks for these, I'm saving them.
Her's what they've got there now.
Dong Tam Snake Farm photos
I had always thought all the buildings where gone and the jungle reclaimed the place. Thanks for the links.
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damnyanqui Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:29:53am |
It's just like CNN's stupid old "Operation Tailwind" scandal starring "Baghdad Peter" Arnett.
Or, of course, beloved CBS and the phony memos.
How could they believe allegations so outrageous without some really solid proof to back them up?
Because they WANTED to believe!
Yes it makes the duped journalists look dumb in the short term.
But in the long term, it adds to a constantly building mass of negative stories about America that, even though they're almost ALL bogus, still create a vague and building negative feeling in an inattentive American public (and an already hostile foreign public) that keeps building even after these stupid fabrications are debunked.
This crap is not disseminated without harm.
After Newsweek's phony story about Koran flushing at Gitmo, people actually died in rioting.
And, after the endless, false, stream of anti-American sewage coming through the media about Iraq, Washington, and American society, LOOK WHAT WE DID TO OURSELVES IN NOVEMBER OF 2008!
The price of this malign malfeasance is still being paid and it will be dear.
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The Other Les Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:37:37am |
re: #33 Jonn Lilyea
It looks like the Taliban looted Ranger Joe's on Victory Blvd in Columbus, GA.
Do they still have the old navy pressure suit on display there?
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gregb Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:01:18am |
Maybe the average Pakistani terrorist (or CBS producer) doesn't know the difference between sophisticated night goggles and Oakley Atomic orange or fire Iridium color RADARs. [Link: oakley.com...]
Maybe they really do live in caves.
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lawrior Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:05:59pm |
Facts? Bah, we don't have the time to be slowed down by such trifling matters. Any story that paints the USA in a bad light can't be wrong!
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code red 21 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:48:09pm |
re: #1 Sharmuta
Charles- did you set up CBS again?
You know there are people out there who probably actually believe Charles did set them up. LOL
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Render Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:52:28pm |
VoW is quite correct. CBS stepped in it again. Nothing they showed in that video is standard US military issue, except for the brief clips of actual US soldiers, in actual US bases.
What we're seeing here is CBS refusing to go into the actual Pakistani arms bazaars.
They didn't go into Darra Adam Khel, where one can buy cheap hand made copies of almost any gun made...
Including copies of the M-16 series, the Steyr AUG series, modified Mini-14's, Mossberg and Remington shotguns, WW1 German Luger's, and anything of Russian design. Almost none of it was really made by the original companies, not even the Lee-Enfield knock-offs.
China makes it's own reverse engineered copy of the M-16. So does Iran.
Not only is this CBS story bogus, but it covers up the truth about the Pakistani illegal arms markets and who is currently in control of Darra Adam Khel.
But we already knew that when we saw the CBS logo.
LIES
TO
FIT,
R
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J'accuzzi Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:35:13pm |
Sheila MacVicar. Now there is ........Cartoon U Ottawa for "journalism" followed by the CBC many many eons ago....... No room at al-Jazzderheera?
The stuff on display is likely meant for the Afghan Army or somebody else. Was probably substituted somewhere along the line and the good stuff (if it ever existed) "disappeared".
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Render Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:40:13pm |
re: #155 J'accuzzi
You talking about the stuff on display in the CBS vid? Not intended for any army, any where.
Unless you count the Taliban as an army...
It's all, (with the exception of the material shown actually in use by US military), cheap knock off junk.
ALL,
R
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Tom Taylor Tue, Feb 17, 2009 3:26:44pm |
Haven't I seen some of this stuff abandoned by the Georgians to the Russians last time?
Wow some Kneepads and a "3L Water Hydration Backpack" in ACU camo. We are so screwed!
But I have seen some Automatic Pistols, looking like Glocks and one with Tritium makers
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screaming_eagle Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:20:27pm |
CBS knows about as much about the military as our current president does.
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Flighterdoc Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:31:04pm |
re: #81 Dustoff-507
He doc, what unit?
Oh, I was (am) a Zoomie - 52 TFW back in the day, did a bit in the 40th ID-M (CAL ARNG, Med PLT leader) went to med school and have contracted a bit...
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Flighterdoc Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:34:07pm |
re: #109 Dustyvet
My Mother The Car...
Tom Corbett Space Cadet...
Sky King...
Paladin...
Well, except for MMTC those were all GREAT shows!
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skysoldier Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:28:42pm |
Yeah, there is a lot of BS about what is US equipment in that clip. This yet again shows the laziness and bias of CBS. Actual military hardware such as weapons, munnition, nightvision, CBRN equipment or anything else that is a controlled item is not given to TCNs to be convoyed into Afghanistan on jingle trucks. The shame of it all is this sloppy reporting undercuts a very valid point. We have been denied Manas air base and the land route from Pakistan IS very dangerous, believe me many of the trucks show up with bullet holes in them. Things have gotten to the point where supply is starting to become a problem for the 30K US troops here and I doubt they have fully planned out the logistical problems of doubling that number.
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