Shocka! NOW Decries 'Honor Killing'

Shocka! NOW Decries ‘Honor Killing’

US NewsFebruary 2009 • Views: 5,140

The National Organization for Women shocks us this morning, by actually noticing that the brutal beheading of Aasiya Zubair Hassan by her husband (the founder of Islamist channel Bridges TV) just might be an honor killing.

The gruesome death of Orchard Park resident Aasiya Zubair Hassan —�who was found decapitated — and the arrest of her estranged husband are drawing widespread attention, as speculation roils about the role that the couple’s religion may have played.

Muzzammil Hassan, 44, was arrested Thursday and charged with second- degree murder after telling police his wife was dead at the office of their television station in the Village of Orchard Park.

While Muslim leaders have urged against applying cultural stereotypes to the crime, advocates for women linked the killing to attitudes in Muslim societies.

“This was apparently a terroristic version of honor killing, a murder rooted in cultural notions about women’s subordination to men,” said Marcia Pappas, New York State president of the National Organization for Women. She decried the scant national media attention paid to the story, which broke the same day as the commuter plane crash that killed 50 people in Clarence.

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204 comments

MrSilverDragon Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:21:58am

My goodness... do I see a porcine air force out my window?

winston06 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:22:06am

WOW....

Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:22:11am

as speculation roils about the role that the couple’s religion may have played.

Because Jews and Catholics do this so often?

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:22:36am

In the news: Pink contrails sighted in American airspace.

MARedneck Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:23:14am

Change!

Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:23:36am

a terroristic version of honor killing,

What could they define as an 'unterroristic' version?

Sharmuta Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:23:39am

I'm thrilled! This is wonderful news that NOW might hopefully be getting a clue and speaking up about honor killings. About damn time.

[deleted] Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:23:41am

ilzito guacamolito Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:24:03am

NOWay!

Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:24:37am

"While Muslim leaders have urged against applying cultural stereotypes to the crime"

Absolutely, lets first see who has done this sort of thing in the past?

itellu3times Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:25:07am

Los Angeles "alternative" rock station KROQ this morning gave the story a bit of coverage, ironic that he had started the station to improve the image of Muslims, etc. Thank Drudge for somewhat belatedly listing the story.

thefallingman Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:25:19am

They had Presidents Day off, which is what, I'm sure, explains the delay.

The Other Les Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:25:55am

Ideological fantasy makes contact with reality.

Ouch.

Seriously. Western Civilization is the best thing to happen to women in general. Trying to tear it down is a really bad idea.

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:26:02am

We seem to have shifted to an alternate reality.

[deleted] Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:26:16am

itellu3times Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:26:19am

re: #10 Nevergiveup

"While Muslim leaders have urged against applying cultural stereotypes to the crime"

Because any stereotype is bad, or because it is inaccurate as an aspect of the culture involved? Please clarify. CAIRify.

ilzito guacamolito Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:26:20am

re: #6 Oh no...Sand People!

Accidentally tripping her and she falls on a knife throat first.

sattv4u2 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:27:18am

SHAM WOW NOW!

Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:27:47am

Well...

“This was apparently a terroristic version of honor killing, a murder rooted in cultural notions about women’s subordination to men,” said Walter L. Newton, a concerned citizen. He decried the scant attention that NOW has paid to such stories, which broke the same day as Ophrah announced that she has gained 40 pounds .

I really feel for NOW.

Land Shark Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:27:49am

Will wonders ever cease? I laughed though when I read the part where the NOW spokes"person" decried the scant attention the national media paid the story. Given the no attention whatsoever NOW has paid to the whole issue of Islam's oppression of women under Sharia before this, it's funny stuff.

I guess now that the eeeeveeel George W Bush is no longer president they are starting to crawl out of their caves and notice things. What a bunch of phonies they are.

Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:28:06am

re: #17 ilzito guacamolito

Accidentally tripping her and she falls on a knife throat first.

Repeatedly!

CyanSnowHawk Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:28:18am

re: #16 itellu3times

Because any stereotype is bad, or because it is inaccurate as an aspect of the culture involved? Please clarify. CAIRify.

So I see they have stopped identifying CAIR as the source of their information about the culture. Anybody here suspect that their source is not connected to CAIR?

Sharmuta Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:28:24am

I think NOW should be encouraged here. They've been too silent for too long about these types of killings, but they're doing the right thing in calling attention to this one. I'd like to see them do more of this- perhaps it will spread some much needed enlightenment to their constituents.

Gella Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:29:12am

completely insane :(

[deleted] Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:29:40am

winston06 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:30:03am

what the hell is this?

[Link: ca.news.yahoo.com...]

reggie Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:30:08am

"She decried the scant national media attention paid to the story, which broke the same day as the commuter plane crash that killed 50 people in Clarence."

She also decries the scant media attention paid to NOW, which broke the same day Laura Bush lent her high-profile to helping Afghan women become independent.

earthwirm Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:30:19am

Before they would look like they were in concert with the Bush administration and thus the silence. Now that their man is in office they feel comfortable speaking out about these things.

Sad really.

[deleted] Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:30:21am

Bloodnok Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:30:26am

Pinch me. Did they also use the "T" word?

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:30:51am

Any Lizards in the Amherst area? There's a public forum about it this Sunday. The details are in the article.

JammieWearingFool Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:30:58am

A sure sign the big media is woefully behind the times and willing to hide this story is the fact it's now a major story four days after it was first reported.

Last Mohican Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:31:06am

Refusing to allow girls to attend school? No problem.

Forcing nine-year-old girls to have sex with 60+ year old men? Why not?

Using religious services to teach men to beat their wives into submission? Oh well, cultural differences, what are you gonna do.

Imprisoning victims of gang rape for "adultery"? Okay, fine.

Arresting women who show their faces in public or leave the house without a male relative, on charges of "prostitution"? Sure, go ahead, whatever.

But beheading your wife because she asked for a divorce? Now that starts to contradict feminist values.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:31:15am

re: #23 Sharmuta

I think NOW should be encouraged here. They've been too silent for too long about these types of killings, but they're doing the right thing in calling attention to this one. I'd like to see them do more of this- perhaps it will spread some much needed enlightenment to their constituents.

Absolutely.

drogheda Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:31:31am

re: #4 thedopefishlives

In the news: Pink contrails sighted in American airspace.

What did Medea Benjamin and friends go ballistic over this time?

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:31:54am

re: #32 JammieWearingFool

A sure sign the big media is woefully behind the times and willing to hide this story is the fact it's now a major story four days after it was first reported.

Well, there was that minor story about some plane crash in Buffalo that same day.

just another four-letter word Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:32:02am

Oh, geez...

While Muslim leaders have urged against applying cultural stereotypes to the crime, advocates for women linked the killing to attitudes in Muslim societies.

This crime is just FILLED with cultural stereotypes, nobody but the mousselimbs do this, don'cha know...

These boobs aren't fooling anybody with two working brain cells...

JAFLW

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:32:10am

re: #23 Sharmuta

I think NOW should be encouraged here. They've been too silent for too long about these types of killings, but they're doing the right thing in calling attention to this one. I'd like to see them do more of this- perhaps it will spread some much needed enlightenment to their constituents.

I think some people who spent the last 8 years bashing Bush are realizing O is not going to protect them as well as Bush did.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:32:14am

re: #33 Last Mohican

It's a start.

dhg4 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:32:18am

Still for the most part the MSM has been kind of silent. The NYTimes, for example, apparently hasn't covered this at all, though it is the leading newspaper in the state of New York. (Though admittedly NYC is several hundred miles away from Buffalo.)

So far it appears to have only wire service reports.

There is a willful blindness at work here. Let's see if this awareness spreads to the National NOW or to the MSM.

rightside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:32:43am

re: #31 MandyManners

Thankfully, I escaped from NY, grew up in Buffalo, but my family still is there, very close to Amherst. Will talk to my brother about it.

FredWM Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:32:44am

"...While Muslim leaders have urged against applying cultural stereotypes to the crime..."

because these things happen all the time in western New York?

CyanSnowHawk Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:33:09am

re: #35 drogheda

What did Medea Benjamin and friends go ballistic over this time?

Something that they have been studiously ignoring for far too long.

Alaska Kim Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:33:26am

Good morning y'all.

SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:33:52am

She filed for divorce. He granted it in the typical Amish fashion.

Hope he gets a nice, man-loving cellmate.

[deleted] Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:33:56am

DistantThunder Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:33:56am

When the head rolls right up to their doorstep, and they can't ignore it without appearing to be insensitive - they notice. Look for a fundraiser.

Sharmuta Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:34:06am

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

True, but I'll believe that they've changed when they invite Phyllis Chesler to be the keynote speaker at their next convention instead of working to blacklist her.

I agree- the organization needs to turn it around. This is a positive development though, so I'd like to see them do more of it.

We think the in-house bickering is bad on the right, imagine what a group of in-house feminists fighting looks like! I would like to see real feminism rise up and take control back from the leftist ideologues that hijacked it so long ago.

dhg4 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:34:11am

re: #42 FredWM

"...While Muslim leaders have urged against applying cultural stereotypes to the crime..."

because these things happen all the time in western New York?

Because Bridges TV was founded to fight this sort of misunderstanding.

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:34:19am

The National Organization for Women shocks us this morning, by actually noticing that the brutal beheading of Aasiya Zubair Hassan by her husband (the founder of Islamist channel Bridges TV) just might be an honor killing.

Of course they would, now that Bush is out of the White House.

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:34:27am

re: #35 drogheda

What did Medea Benjamin and friends go ballistic over this time?

O is going out of his way to not condemn such barbaric thinking, as his predecessor did.

calcajun Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:34:48am

...and their first clue was?

just another four-letter word Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:34:50am

re: #26 winston06

what the hell is this?

[Link: ca.news.yahoo.com...]

Ummm, another example of a wacko?

JAFLW

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:35:21am

re: #45 SasquatchOnSteroids

She filed for divorce. He granted it in the typical Amish fashion.

Hope he gets a nice, man-loving cellmate.

Like Randall "Tex" Cobb's character in Fletch.

/don't wear so much eye makeup; it makes you look cheap

Picayune Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:35:34am

re: #34 MandyManners

Absolutely.

I won't be holding my breath until NOW asks our new SOS, globe trotting Hillary, The World's Champion of women's civil rights, her 2 cents on this one.

But it would be a juicy moment at a SOS presser if it was asked, no?

lawhawk Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:35:53am

I'm glad that the media is starting to pick apart this story. It's about time.

Hassan got Saudi money for his agitprop venture (and has since been shut down). He killed his wife and beheaded her - a most brutal way to murder someone. She was hoping to divorce him, and there had been domestic violence allegations. The media coverage that has been out there has been bending over backwards to avoid any mention of the honor killing/Islamic law on which this brutal murder likely took place.

It was most likely a honor killing in this case because she didn't want to go along with whatever it was he was doing. That's a no-no. If you disobey your husband, you're opening yourself up to a beat-down. If you violate the man's honor, you can end up quite dead.

And some other women's group gets the whole concept of honor killing wrong. They think that those who engage in such acts are dishonorable, ignoring that if the Koran dictates it, they must comply - apostasy awaits those who try to alter the word of the Koran.

More here.

pegcity Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:36:12am

Thanks NOW you truly are heroes for noticing what we did 8 years ago.

What brave Feminazis

Racer X Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:36:14am

The victim had to have been a Democrat.

National
Organization
of
Democrat
Women

Because over and over they demonstrate they could care less about Republican women.

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:36:17am

re: #53 just another four-letter word

Ummm, another example of a wacko?

JAFLW

Sounds like the opposite of deprogramming.

Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:36:38am

re: #17 ilzito guacamolito

Lol.
For that, I will give you your first up ding.

Sharmuta Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:36:43am

re: #34 MandyManners

The feminist groups are infested with kooks too.

JammieWearingFool Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:37:12am

re: #36 MandyManners

Well, there was that minor story about some plane crash in Buffalo that same day.

I understand that by why virtually zero coverage the next three days?

CyanSnowHawk Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:37:19am

re: #49 dhg4

Because Bridges TV was founded to fight this sort of misunderstanding.

Epic Fail.

FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:37:26am

re: #61 Sharmuta

The feminist groups are infested with kooks too.

No! Really? How is that possible?

[deleted] Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:37:31am

rightside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:37:33am

re: #58 Racer X

I would say NOLW... liberal women.

Lysander Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:37:46am

re: #6 Oh no...Sand People!

What could they define as an 'unterroristic' version?

I don't know - but that stuck out for me as well.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:38:19am

Call me cynical, but could this have anything to do with the fact that this victim could potentially have voted in US elections?

/Bad Emmmie! Back away from the cynicism!

albusteve Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:38:20am

re: #57 pegcity

Thanks NOW you truly are heroes for noticing what we did 8 years ago.

What brave Feminazis

agreed...nobody owes NOW a damned thing for tardy recogniton...they stood by while woman suffered too long

BigAl Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:38:30am

re: #28 earthwirm

Before they would look like they were in concert with the Bush administration and thus the silence. Now that their man is in office they feel comfortable speaking out about these things.

Sad really.

Very perceptive. NOW always was steeped in hypocrisy.

Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:38:33am

Well not to change the subject but A-Rod is late for his big Press Conference?

Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:39:13am

re: #70 BigAl

Very perceptive. NOW always was steeped in hypocrisy.

Yeah but they stood tall behind Sarah Palin?
/must I?

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:39:14am

In other news today, Ramos and Compean were released from prison today. Onward with the appeals.

Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:39:15am

re: #68 EmmmieG

Call me cynical, but could this have anything to do with the fact that this victim could potentially have voted in US elections?

/Bad Emmmie! Back away from the cynicism!

Nice try, but nah...not even death stops a democrat from voting.

ilzito guacamolito Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:39:18am

re: #60 Oh no...Sand People!

Grassyass!

Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:39:34am

re: #73 Ward Cleaver

In other news today, Ramos and Compean were released from prison today. Onward with the appeals.

SWEET! Really!? Awesome!

Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:39:36am

re: #73 Ward Cleaver

In other news today, Ramos and Compean were released from prison today. Onward with the appeals.

Great news

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:40:12am

re: #56 lawhawk

I'm glad that the media is starting to pick apart this story. It's about time.

Hassan got Saudi money for his agitprop venture (and has since been shut down). He killed his wife and beheaded her - a most brutal way to murder someone. She was hoping to divorce him, and there had been domestic violence allegations. The media coverage that has been out there has been bending over backwards to avoid any mention of the honor killing/Islamic law on which this brutal murder likely took place.

It was most likely a honor killing in this case because she didn't want to go along with whatever it was he was doing. That's a no-no. If you disobey your husband, you're opening yourself up to a beat-down. If you violate the man's honor, you can end up quite dead.

And some other women's group gets the whole concept of honor killing wrong. They think that those who engage in such acts are dishonorable, ignoring that if the Koran dictates it, they must comply - apostasy awaits those who try to alter the word of the Koran.

More here.

Excellent work.

dhg4 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:40:14am

re: #15 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

A search of the New York Times web page (search) finds one hit
re: Muzzammil Hassan

1. Article on his TV deal back in 2004.

like that

[Link:

The Optimist Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:40:58am

Don't muslims get a free pass for honor killings. I heard its in the Koran.

Lesson: before killing your wife, convert to Islam and you will be protected.

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:41:00am

re: #71 Nevergiveup

Well not to change the subject but A-Rod is late for his big Press Conference?

I thought it was fitting that UM would put his name on their baseball stadium.

/you can't spell "scum" without "um"

Wishing Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:41:07am

Silly though it may sound, I would like to see NOW do their research and begin to fight for womens' rights globally and take on the battle of freeing Muslim women from their cages.
No woman anywhere deserves to be treated as chattel.

Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:41:17am

This was apparently a terroristic version of honor killing

What version of honor killing is not terroristic?

KenJen Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:41:25am

re: #56 lawhawk

I dont think they are covering the story because they want to. They are doing anything to keep American minds off the stimulus package. Octo-mom, plane crashes, child abductions, crazed chimps.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:41:25am

re: #55 Picayune

I won't be holding my breath until NOW asks our new SOS, globe trotting Hillary, The World's Champion of women's civil rights, her 2 cents on this one.

But it would be a juicy moment at a SOS presser if it was asked, no?

What would NOW be doing at a State Department press conference?

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:41:39am

re: #76 Oh no...Sand People!

SWEET! Really!? Awesome!

Linky here.

rightside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:41:59am

re: #82 Wishing

The threat of a fatwa will quickly silence them.

Kenneth Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:42:08am

In a related story...

Afghan diplomat Mohammed Fagirad charged in all-day wife beating

An Afghan diplomat was charged Friday with beating his wife "like a dog" for more than 15 hours in their Queens home, prosecutors said.

Mohammed Fagirad, 30, a vice consul at the Afghanistan Consulate, brutalized his wife inside their Flushing home from about 8:30 a.m. Wednesday until nearly midnight, Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said.

During the attack, Fagirad bit, slapped, choked and beat the 22-year-old woman with a belt, pushed her down a flight of stairs and sat on her chest, prosecutors said.

redheadredstate Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:42:17am

Day late meet dollar short.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:42:17am

re: #61 Sharmuta

The feminist groups are infested with kooks too.

Infested? That's like saying Wazirstan is infested with jihadis.

Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:42:18am

re: #6 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #67 Lysander

re: #83 Alouette

GMTA

cronus Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:42:24am

wow, and all it took was a horrific beheading to help them find their voice

Wishing Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:42:56am

re: #87 rightside

The threat of a fatwa will quickly silence them.

A fatwa just MIGHT ignite them into real action.

Irenike Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:43:12am

The feminists can now pay attention to this kind of thing because Bush is not in office. So, it's win-win for them. They get to pose as the tough gals for going up against the head choppers, but arch-enemy Bush can't get credit anymore for closing down rape rooms and killing the men who abuse women.

Anything that President Zero does--whether intentional or not--that benefits victimized Muslim women will be noticed and commented upon by the feminists. As I've always said, politics trumps everything with the feminists. Now that their man is in office, they are free to speak up and take all the credit.

just another four-letter word Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:43:13am

re: #84 KenJen

I dont think they are covering the story because they want to. They are doing anything to keep American minds off the stimulus package. Octo-mom, plane crashes, child abductions, crazed chimps.

Yeah, notice that Compean and Ramos got nary a mention anywhere, even on Fox News...

JAFLW

SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:43:14am

re: #71 Nevergiveup

Well not to change the subject but A-Rod is late for his big Press Conference?

He took a shot on the shortcut.
It didn't work.

Either time.

dhg4 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:43:17am

re: #15 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

A search of the New York Times web page (search) finds one hit
re: Muzzammil Hassan

1. Article on his TV deal back in 2004.

like that

[Link:

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:43:23am

I wonder if NOW knows about the murders of those sisters in Texas by their father?

acwgusa Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:43:30am

Why are people outside loading up a trebuchet for that pig?

Why is he wearing paper wings?

Thwap-pang!

Oh, never mind.

/Cleared the 8 story building next to me.

100

MJ Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:43:33am

Important article on this issue:

Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence?

by Phyllis Chesler

[Link: www.meforum.org...]

101

Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:44:06am

CAIR still hasn't issued a statement on this?

102

Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:44:32am

re: #86 Ward Cleaver

Linky here.

Awesome!

..As Cheney bemoans the plight of the hard scrabble son of the soil Scooter Libby...

103

notutopia Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:44:37am

Honor Killings is an atrocity against all women.
NOW should have addressed and condemned this issue a long, long time ago.
I am pleased to see this make the news today. It shows forward progress!

104

rightside Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:44:38am

Anyone see a pattern here?

105

damnyanqui Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:44:48am

You guys hit the nail on the head

I guess now that the eeeeveeel George W Bush is no longer president they are starting to crawl out of their caves and notice things.

Of course they would, now that Bush is out of the White House.

The sick legacy of Bush Derangement Syndrome will become progressively more obvious as more of these vermin start to "notice" things under Obama they never would have glanced at under Bush. Their seething hatred for "W" was so intense that no threat to human life, dignity, or the safety of this country was enough to distract from the imperative to attack, attack, attack America and her president.
I stood outside the home of a woman in suburban Atlanta murdered by her father in an "honor killing." Remember that one? Of course not. Nobody cared because Bush and his war on the peace loving terrorists was worse.
As we careen into the abyss that the obamatons have steered us towards, one of the few upsides will be that it's finally okay to scream and criticize against something other than our country, our government, and our president. Maybe some minute shred of good will come out of that.

106

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:44:50am

re: #100 MJ

Important article on this issue:

Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence?

by Phyllis Chesler

[Link: www.meforum.org...]

I do wish we could stop refering to violence against women as "domestic" violence.

VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE NO MATTER THE CONTEXT.

107

Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:44:58am

re: #101 Killgore Trout

CAIR still hasn't issued a statement on this?

I thought they already issued some wishy-washy crap.

108

MJ Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:45:04am

re: #100 MJ

Important article on this issue:

Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence?

by Phyllis Chesler

[Link: www.meforum.org...]

When a husband murders a wife or daughter in the United States and Canada, too often law enforcement chalks the matter up to domestic violence. Murder is murder; religion is irrelevant. Honor killings are, however, distinct from wife battering and child abuse. Analysis of more than fifty reported honor killings shows they differ significantly from more common domestic violence.[1] The frequent argument made by Muslim advocacy organizations that honor killings have nothing to do with Islam and that it is discriminatory to differentiate between honor killings and domestic violence is wrong.

109

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:45:09am

re: #101 Killgore Trout

CAIR still hasn't issued a statement on this?

I've not heard a peep.

110

Sharmuta Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:45:18am

re: #29 Iron Fist

Where did she say anything about a "tiny minority"? She said the truth:

“This was apparently a terroristic version of honor killing, a murder rooted in cultural notions about women’s subordination to men,” said Marcia Pappas, New York State president of the National Organization for Women. She decried the scant national media attention paid to the story, which broke the same day as the commuter plane crash that killed 50 people in Clarence.

I find nothing to disagree with in this statement whatsoever. The bolded part is absolutely accurate and precisely stated. Was it that she called "terroristic"? Well- it is jihadis video taping beheadings, so again, it is terroristic. And it is shameful celebrities were discussed more than this crime and it's underlying foundation from shame based societies steeped in islamic traditions.

What am I supposed to find wrong with this other than surprise they finally said something like this.

111

Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:45:23am

re: #104 rightside

Anyone see a pattern here?

Anything I might say could get me deleted, so how about them Knicks?

112

itellu3times Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:45:55am

re: #17 ilzito guacamolito

Accidentally tripping her and she falls on a knife throat first.

Thank you OJ.

113

MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:46:05am

re: #100 MJ

I wasn't yelling at *you* in my No. 106. I was just yelling.

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jcm Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:46:11am

What ever happen to respect for cultural diversity?

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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:46:18am

re: #105 damnyanqui

You guys hit the nail on the head

The sick legacy of Bush Derangement Syndrome will become progressively more obvious as more of these vermin start to "notice" things under Obama they never would have glanced at under Bush. Their seething hatred for "W" was so intense that no threat to human life, dignity, or the safety of this country was enough to distract from the imperative to attack, attack, attack America and her president.
I stood outside the home of a woman in suburban Atlanta murdered by her father in an "honor killing." Remember that one? Of course not. Nobody cared because Bush and his war on the peace loving terrorists was worse.
As we careen into the abyss that the obamatons have steered us towards, one of the few upsides will be that it's finally okay to scream and criticize against something other than our country, our government, and our president. Maybe some minute shred of good will come out of that.

For the libs, BDS trumped everything.

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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:46:25am

re: #106 MandyManners

I do wish we could stop refering to violence against women as "domestic" violence.

VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE NO MATTER THE CONTEXT.

I would add 'hate' crimes to that also.

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[deleted] Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:46:44am

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albusteve Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:46:54am

re: #98 MandyManners

I wonder if NOW knows about the murders of those sisters in Texas by their father?

how could they not know?....I very cynical about their motivation all of a sudden...sure looks like they have some political agenda that doesnt involve womens rights

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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:47:06am

re: #116 Oh no...Sand People!

I would add 'hate' crimes to that also.

You rally think he hated her?
/

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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:47:15am

re: #73 Ward Cleaver

In other news today, Ramos and Compean were released from prison today. Onward with the appeals.

Think this particular Bushocity will get some attention from Leahy's proposed "truth commission?"
Nah, me neither.

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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:47:17am

re: #88 Kenneth

In a related story...

Afghan diplomat Mohammed Fagirad charged in all-day wife beating

Hi Kenneth! From your link:

Prosecutors said Fagirad's limited diplomatic immunity only covers work-related infractions.

Just an observations. Is the writer (or are the prosecutors) implying - by pointing out that diplomatic immunity covers work "infractions" - that beating his wife for 15-odd hours was an "infraction"?

Hey guys - it's a hell of a lot more than an infraction!

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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:47:26am

re: #101 Killgore Trout

CAIR still hasn't issued a statement on this?

First they have to remove this from their website

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Cathypop Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:48:11am

re: #118 albusteve

how could they not know?....I very cynical about their motivation all of a sudden...sure looks like they have some political agenda that doesnt involve womens rights

The NOW feminazis will never change. This is all for the media and maybe alot of stimulas money coming their way.

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IslandLibertarian Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:48:13am

...anything to divert attention away from the "Spendulus" rip-off about to be signed into law by "0".
So Honor Killings get thrown under the bus.

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Nevergiveup Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:48:14am

re: #122 Alouette

First they have to remove this from their website

Ya just can't make this stuff up?

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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:48:40am

re: #106 MandyManners

I do wish we could stop refering to violence against women as "domestic" violence.

VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE NO MATTER THE CONTEXT.

The "domestic" tag usually denotes that the victim and the perp have some sort of relationship. It is a useful distinction.

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gregb Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:48:54am

So under Sharia law, which so many recommend we should adopt, this would be a what? Justifiable homocide? Would you like a cup of cognitive dissonance with your tea?

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ilzito guacamolito Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:49:26am

re: #112 itellu3times

Huh?

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:49:35am

re: #116 Oh no...Sand People!

I would add 'hate' crimes to that also.

There is a difference in that those who commit hate crimes go out of their way to find their victims whereas those who commit DV have their victims right at hand.

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teleskiguy Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:49:42am

They still haven't found that psycho that killed his teenage daughters in Texas because they dated non-Muslim boys and acted too "Western."

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[deleted] Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:49:46am

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albusteve Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:49:55am

re: #123 Cathypop

The NOW feminazis will never change. This is all for the media and maybe alot of stimulas money coming their way.

I hate it when that happens....no principles just grandstanding

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redseeped Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:50:08am

It is always the same logic: religion=good, savage habits=bad. The fact is that both tradition and religion are figments of the same mindset. And the victims could care less...

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:50:12am

re: #118 albusteve

how could they not know?....I very cynical about their motivation all of a sudden...sure looks like they have some political agenda that doesnt involve womens rights

I'm thinking that the NOW offices in Texas are not as big or as active as those in New York.

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Ward Cleaver Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:50:25am

re: #120 Shiplord Kirel

Think this particular Bushocity will get some attention from Leahy's proposed "truth commission?"
Nah, me neither.

Leahy setting up a "truth commission"? Irony has never reached such heights.

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Silhouette Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:50:42am

NOW Priorities:

Using the NOW search:
FGM? 8 hits

One private golf club is men-only. 11 hits

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Ay, Caramba Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:51:00am

Sounds like a bizarre bandsaw accident. She was probably a freelance butcher - or at least her husband was.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:51:26am

re: #121 subsailor68

Hi Kenneth! From your link:

Prosecutors said Fagirad's limited diplomatic immunity only covers work-related infractions.

Just an observations. Is the writer (or are the prosecutors) implying - by pointing out that diplomatic immunity covers work "infractions" - that beating his wife for 15-odd hours was an "infraction"?

Hey guys - it's a hell of a lot more than an infraction!

Aren't those issues more like traffic and parking infractions?

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:52:35am

re: #126 CyanSnowHawk

The "domestic" tag usually denotes that the victim and the perp have some sort of relationship. It is a useful distinction.

But, it has the historical taint about it that it is somehow of a lesser degree than violence against strangers.

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schlagerman Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:52:53am

Why are they just voicing their disgust now, after Obama has been elected? This sh*t didn't just start happening, but it seems as if NOW couldn't take a stance that would seem to be in agreement with Bush while he was in office. Pathetic. I expect more liberals to suddenly realize that evil does exist, although I believe they knew it all along, but their hatred of all things Bush prevented them from publicly saying so. Also, if the US is not attacked in the next 6 months, I expect to see newspaper columns praising Obama for keeping us safe.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:53:01am

re: #131 Captain Jack

Fuck you.

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gearhead Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:53:19am

I guess those WERE monkeys flying out of my butt this morning.

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jaunte Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:53:19am

I don't see anything about this on the NOW website front page. They seem to be more upset by Rihanna and Chris Brown.
[Link: www.now.org...]

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albusteve Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:53:21am

re: #134 MandyManners

I'm thinking that the NOW offices in Texas are not as big or as active as those in New York.

true...but I'm thinking they should be actively seeking out this type of behavior and condemning it the harshest terms...otherwise why do they exist?

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Sharmuta Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:53:25am

I understand NOW isn't much more than leftist organization, but I feel it's more important women start learning about the misogyny of islam, and with a NOW spokeswoman shining a light, perhaps a few women out there will start looking into this. In other words, NOW is helping to alert new potential allies, and that's a positive thing.

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NukeAtomrod Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:53:57am

re: #26 winston06

The plot of "Black Snake Moan."

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:54:11am

re: #144 albusteve

true...but I'm thinking they should be actively seeking out this type of behavior and condemning it the harshest terms...otherwise why do they exist?

Maybe now is the beginning.

I'm not putting a lot of hope into that.

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Sharmuta Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:54:18am

{Mandy}

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yesandno Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:54:34am

Should be first degree....premeditation of killing a wife or teenage daughter is encouraged way before the boy reaches puberty.....

Shame, shame, shame.....back assward primative culture.

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Amer-I-Can Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:54:57am

re: #20 Land Shark

It's only a matter of time before this becomes GWB's fault too. BDS is alive and well and living in the MSM.

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jaunte Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:55:01am

NOW and Violence Against Women
General Information:

* Take Action Against Sexual Assault On Campus (PDF) (10/08)
* The Violence Against Women Act: Celebrating 10 Years of Prevention (Fall 2004)
* Violence Against Women in the United States: Statistics
Latest News

* Rihanna Assault Calls Attention to Violence Against Women (02/09)
* NNT: What the Next President Can Do for Women and Girls (09/08)
* NNT: Stop, Look, Listen and Act to End Domestic Violence (09/08)
* NNT: Remembering Jana Mackey (09/08)
* Below the Belt: Take Up The Song (07/08)
* Urge Your Senators to Co-sponsor International VAWA (02/08)
* Below the Belt: A Maddening Reminder (01/08)

[Link: www.now.org...]

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:55:10am

re: #148 Sharmuta

{Mandy}

((((((Sharmuta))))))

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samsgran1948 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:55:15am

re: #23 Sharmuta

I think NOW should be encouraged here. They've been too silent for too long about these types of killings, but they're doing the right thing in calling attention to this one. I'd like to see them do more of this- perhaps it will spread some much needed enlightenment to their constituents.

I see your point, Sharmuta, but my first question is: What does NOW think it's going to gain by speaking out against this honor killing? NOW is entirely too politicized, too focused on its own narrow, narrow agenda for me to believe Marcia Pappas or NOW actually gives a rat's patootie about Aasiya Zubair Hassan. NOW squawking about this might draw a little extra attention to Hasson's death, but I'll bet the farm that's just an unintended side effect of NOW's true objective.

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albusteve Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:55:33am

re: #143 jaunte

I don't see anything about this on the NOW website front page. They seem to be more upset by Rihanna and Chris Brown.
[Link: www.now.org...]

the whole page is political fluff...spit

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:55:41am

I'm gonna' take a break. I'm getting really cranky.

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godfrey Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:55:44am

Where the hell has NOW been?

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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:56:11am

re: #138 MandyManners

Aren't those issues more like traffic and parking infractions?

One would think so. It's hard to believe the definition of "infraction" in the diplomatic handbook is:

"Infraction" is defined as misbehavior by visiting diplomatic figures. Infractions include, but are not limited to, illegal parking, traffic violations, and wife beating for more than 30 minutes per incident."

(If you haven't guessed, I would be pleased to beat the living crap out of any guy who lays a hand on a woman. Period.)

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jaunte Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:56:19am

Ok , here it is:
NOW Supports Legislation that Denounces 'Honor' Killings
and Violence Against Women

[Link: www.now.org...]

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Dar ul Harb Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:56:26am

re: #131 Captain Jack

3-4 threads too late.
And still stuck on stoopid.

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Colonel Panik Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #99 acwgusa

Why are people outside loading up a trebuchet for that pig?

Why is he wearing paper wings?

Thwap-pang!

Oh, never mind.

/Cleared the 8 story building next to me.

Trebuchet? Is that the best pig launching technology you degenerate bourgeois capitalists can come up with?

Behold, comrades, the triumph of Soviet Socialist technology, the Ham Cannon!

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albusteve Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:57:18am

re: #156 godfrey

Where the hell has NOW been?

pimping for Debbie Stabbinhow

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Amer-I-Can Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:57:25am

re: #141 MandyManners

Mandy! **wags finger** Where are your manners?!?

Flashback to #131...

nevermind.... you GO GIRL!

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kansas Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:57:49am

While it has not been determined whether Aasiya Hassan’s death had anything to do with fanatical beliefs, the community should address the attitudes that make divorce particularly difficult for many Muslim families, Shahram said.

So what kind of beliefs result in one hacking off someone's head? Fanatical? Hopefully. If they aren't fanatical, and are commonplace, what then?

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jaunte Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:58:13am

H.RES.32
Title: A resolution denouncing the practices of female genital mutilation, domestic violence, "honor" killings, acid burnings, dowry deaths, and other gender-based persecutions, and expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that participation, protection, recognition, and equality of women is crucial to achieving a just, moral and peaceful society.
Sponsor: Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] (introduced 1/5/2007) Cosponsors (44)
Latest Major Action: 10/9/2007 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 378 - 0 (Roll no. 949).

[Link: www.thomas.gov...]

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schlagerman Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:58:31am

re: #145 Sharmuta

I agree, but my point in my post #140 is NOW should have been speaking out about these atrocities regardless of the White House occupant.

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Sharmuta Tue, Feb 17, 2009 10:59:54am

re: #158 jaunte

That article didn't paint that bills as doing much more than calling for more talking.

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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:00:09am

re: #139 MandyManners

But, it has the historical taint about it that it is somehow of a lesser degree than violence against strangers.

Not amongst law enforcement. They know that DV runs from "Billy yelled at me" to "Crazy spouse holding hostages" and it's a call that can turn ugly in an instant.

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jaunte Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:00:09am

Trying to prevent honor killings is not just a job for NOW.

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Captain Jack Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:00:25am

How ironic that a Muslim who sets up a TV station to help improve Muslims image in the US falls into the stereotyped behavior of treating a wife who wants a divorce in a manner consistent with strict Islamic law. The stereotype is highlighted with the phrase in my post "Hassan Chop" from the Bugs Bunny cartoon showing stereotypical Muslim behavior.....Mandy.

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jaunte Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:01:17am

re: #166 Sharmuta

That article didn't paint that bills as doing much more than calling for more talking.

Yes, I didn't see anything beyond that.

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Kenneth Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:01:44am

re: #121 subsailor68

The diplomat was charged, so the reporter was explaining why immunity did not apply to this assault.

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Sharmuta Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:01:47am

re: #165 schlagerman

And..... I haven't said anything to suggest I'm pleased with their previous behavior. I'm not.

But I'm going to reward them with praise when they get it right, and continue to heap them with scorn when they don't.

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doppelganglander Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:02:06am

re: #143 jaunte

I don't see anything about this on the NOW website front page. They seem to be more upset by Rihanna and Chris Brown.
[Link: www.now.org...]

Unfortunately, so are most Americans.

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subsailor68 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:03:11am

re: #171 Kenneth

Yep. I got that too. I just thought it was an odd choice of words juxtaposed with the brutality described in the rest of the article.

;-)

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redseeped Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:03:16am

re: #130 teleskiguy

Murder your daughters in Egypt for their behaviour and the religious establishment will find a good excuse. Do the same thing in NY and the same religious establishment excuses itself. Very convenient.

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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:04:15am

re: #168 jaunte

Trying to prevent honor killings is not just a job for NOW.

No, but when they take up the standard to protect the rights of women, then ignore blatantly obvious cultural oppression of them, it makes news when they notice.

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jaunte Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:06:08am

re: #176 CyanSnowHawk

Yes, they are a bit focused on the US.

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Silhouette Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:08:12am

re: #164 jaunte

Am I being cynical when I say that, thankfully, today that vote was one of those unianimous "vote for motherhood and apple pie" kind, but in not too many years, I predict the wording of this will be "controversial" and "not helpful" to be so judgmental of other cultures?

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jaunte Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:10:28am

re: #178 Silhouette

Nah, to be really cynical would be to promote the bill while understanding it would have absolutely no effect on any of the practitioners.

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Sharmuta Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:10:50am

re: #168 jaunte

Trying to prevent honor killings is not just a job for NOW.

If feminism is about the right for women to self determination, then stopping honor killings isn't a job, it's the central tenet.

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Throbert McGee Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:11:55am

Charles, I think the following sentence from the NY Daily News article needs to be added to your excerpt above:

“Too many Muslim men are using their religious beliefs to justify violence against women,” she said.

The "she" quoted here is Marcia Pappas of NOW, and it's very significant that Pappas herself actually uses the word "Muslim" in a direct quote.

I.e., the fact that she's referring specifically to Muslim men is not an inference supplied by the reporter; nor is this an ellipsis-filled paraphrase of a rambling, cover-your-ass statement in which Pappas strategically situates "Muslim men" and "violence against women" three or four paragraphs apart -- Pappas just says it with no BS.

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jaunte Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:13:01am

re: #180 Sharmuta

Yes, I guess I should say that it's not an issue whose solution should be restricted to females, but a human one. We all should be concerned.

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filetandrelease Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:17:27am

Birdie birdie in the sky, why did you let one in my eye?
I am sure glad pigs can't fly.... oh wait!

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Cato Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:21:23am

Again, there should have been a flying pig.

BTW, I once did meet a mob guy whose wife was mysteriously found cut in half by a chain saw.

The guy had bullet-proof glass in his Caddie. He owned half of the waterfront in NJ.

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[deleted] Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:24:04am

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tokyobk Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:36:04am

If and when CAIR feels forced to make a statement they will say that the atmosphere of stereotyping Muslims as sexist head-choppers drove a good, moderate man insane to act out the stereotypical behavior put in his psyche by Islamaphobes.

I wish I was being sarcastic but I am not.

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schlagerman Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:38:09am

re: #172 Sharmuta

Maybe this will be the incident that finally shines a bright light on this barbaric practice.

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jcw46 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:44:31am

re: #45 SasquatchOnSteroids

She filed for divorce. He granted it in the typical Amish fashion.

Hope he gets a nice, man-loving cellmate.

I would hope that that was a typo. This behavior is not typical of the Amish. please explain?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:54:45am

She decried the scant national media attention paid to the story,

Oh th' SANCTIMONY of someone who's gotten RELIGION!

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wiffersnapper Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:17:56pm

I thought they'd blame Bush and Israel for the killing.

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RoyalCanadian Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:39:21pm

It is hideous that this woman's head is being used for a political football. It seems surreal that it takes a monstrously chauvinistic act before the cocktail feminists recognize the real threat to the good and proper gains women have made over the course of the last couple of centuries. Although it may be a pill too tough to swallow, Judeo-Christian men are women’s best allies to keep their existing rights and to continue the road to full equality.

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dry_heavz_4_alla Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:39:34pm

re: #158 jaunte

Ok , here it is:
NOW Supports Legislation that Denounces 'Honor' Killings
and Violence Against Women

[Link: www.now.org...]

That's actually quite refreshing coming from the national office. I was expecting something more along the lines of: "This woman is a stark raving Islamophobe! Way out of line! Rest assured ... heads will roll at the Buffalo branch!"

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dhg4 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:43:16pm

It's not the National NOW that's protesting. And it seems that Buffalo isn't the only place where such domestic abuse is occurring.

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SummerSong Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:06:55pm

And water is wet. F off NOW, yer late, very late.

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jdubya Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:07:34pm

Yawn...what? NOW said something? When? Really?

Huh, nice to know that they are "on top of current events".

Maybe they should review the subject, history, and possible similar events that happened here in the US.

Gosh, maybe they could pull their collective heads out of the dark matter and begin something outside our borders.

But then that would mean they actually need to take a stand and do something other than pounding the table for more funding.

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RobCon Tue, Feb 17, 2009 1:31:02pm

Flying pig alert. The ladies at NOW finally remove their own heads from their backsides instead of ignoring honor killings. Of course if someone at the 700 Club did this they would be in the streets in the next hour.

Now that NOW made a statement, expect them in return to their shells.

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Land Shark Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:08:19pm

By the way, fellow lizards, I just popped over to NOW's website and found no mention whatsoever of the story of the poor woman being beheaded. Maybe we are being a tad premature about this "NOW finally getting a clue" stuff. Lots of love for President Zero, though.

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Salamantis Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:08:23pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

I'm thrilled! This is wonderful news that NOW might hopefully be getting a clue and speaking up about honor killings. About damn time.

I think Phyllis Chesler and Tammy Bruce have been getting under their skins about this.

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aaron's rantblog Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:17:34pm

I'm starting the "Marcia Pappas Retraction Pool". I'm picking a cowardly retraction by 8:45am PST tomorrow.

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see bs Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:50:39pm

So a guy who starts up a Muslim "understanding" TV station ends up beheading his wife to uphold his Muslim "honor".

Now how does this counter any misunderstandings about Muslims? I guess I just need to watch more Bridges TV to understand that honor killings, beatings, rape..etc are OK if justified....
/////////

When will the Muslims have a "Renaissance" of their religion where Allah condems..well a good part of the Quran?

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nines09 Tue, Feb 17, 2009 3:48:38pm

But will they pursue it? Would they actually wake up and announce that they find it abhorrent behavior and in no way shape or form must it exist? Anywhere? In the world? Let alone within our borders?
Nah. Back to selling what they sell.

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FightingBack Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:07:06pm

Flying Sows

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snakedoctor Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:53:23pm

Here's a suggestion. The Masters is coming up in April and NOW could stage another protest at Augusta National to remind us how relevant they are.

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Seax Tue, Feb 17, 2009 7:25:03pm

So the NOW's trumpets of all that is Femnazi have
noticed that the ROP inherants tend to whack
womans heads off etc etc.
Welcome to the real world 'ladies' ...going to see
some street protests from you about it....?
Waits....crickets chirping....flying pigs grounded
Yeah I thought so
///
( If I wrote what I actually thought I would be so badly banned !)

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