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I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God — you just rejected Him from your city. And don’t wonder why He hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for His help because he might not be there.

— Pat Robertson, after creationists were voted off the Dover PA school board

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1 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:09:53pm

Image: funny-pictures-global-warming-polar-bear.jpg

2 Salamantis  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:10:43pm

We're getting a real rogue's gallery of idiotic fundie quotes lately!

3 gmsc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:10:58pm

Quiz: How many people have you slept with?

Youtube Video
4 pink freud  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:11:43pm

What kind of upbringing would bring a person to point where they deign to speak for God?

5 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:11:57pm

Chrysler Restructuring Plan for Long-Term Viability
General Motors Corporation 2009 – 2014 Restructuring Plan

/may as well read 'em, you're going to pay $40 billion for 'em

6 gmsc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:12:38pm

re: #4 pink freud

What kind of upbringing would bring a person to point where they deign to speak for God?

How dare you criticize 0bama!

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7 pink freud  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:13:00pm

Good evening all you late nighters !

:-)

8 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:13:10pm

Still has that new thread smell!

9 pink freud  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:13:45pm

re: #6 gmsc

How dare you criticize 0bama!

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I was thinking the same thing as I typed it. There's just so many times one can say hubris ...

10 freetoken  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:14:07pm

re: #5 Killian Bundy

I'd rather see the Japanese and Korean auto companies build more vehicles in the US.

11 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:15:53pm

re: #9 pink freud

I was thinking the same thing as I typed it. There's just so many times one can say hubris ...

Right now, this is my favorite form of hubris.

12 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:17:57pm

re: #5 Killian Bundy

Chrysler Restructuring Plan for Long-Term Viability
General Motors Corporation 2009 – 2014 Restructuring Plan

/may as well read 'em, you're going to pay $40 billion for 'em

If I read those links I just might have to go on antidepressants and I can't afford them LOL

13 gmsc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:17:58pm

re: #10 freetoken

I'd rather see the Japanese and Korean auto companies build more vehicles in the US.

It's too bad we can't build plants like this one in the US:

Youtube Video
14 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:20:24pm

Not really a wolf...:)

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15 pink freud  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:21:11pm

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

Right now, this is my favorite form of hubris.

The bigger they are the harder they fall? I knew they were hovering around $4, but that 3.77 is sweet. In other news, gold was up 26 bucks today to close at 969.

16 x-wing  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:22:01pm

re: #14 Dustyvet

Not really a wolf...:)

Looks more like lunch ;>}

17 rawmuse  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:25:03pm

So, when disasters happen, that means that God is angry at us?
Then, how come, in the 1906 'quake in San Francisco, all the churches burnt down, but Hotaling's whiskey warehouse and all its contents, were spared?

18 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:26:00pm

re: #15 pink freud


I remeber back in October joking about how the newspapers were going to be in line for a government bailout once 0bama was in the White house. But then again, maybe they don't need to ask now- maybe there's already a little something written for them in the stimulus bill...

19 Karagush  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:28:27pm

wow. i had to call my liberal friend and break the news to him about the stock market today. hed been at work and i knew he'd feel suicidal if he just turned on the news or look at the computer so the timing was delicate.
this isnt working out like he thought.

20 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:28:45pm

re: #17 rawmuse

Maybe the piano player moonlighted at the church.

21 gmsc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:29:05pm

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

Right now, this is my favorite form of hubris.

How appropriate!

On the day that 0bama signs the Friday the 13th Spending Bill, 1 share of New York Times stock closes at a price ($3.77) lower than 1 copy of the New York Times Sunday edition bought in New York ($4.00)!

22 superdawg  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:29:14pm

I could never understand the logic of these pronouncements. Never mind speaking for God, but take a look around. Las Vegas still stands despite its status as a modern Sodom and Gomorrah. The Soviet Union officially rejected religion and God, but they weren't infested with locusts. Its laughable what these modern day prophet-wannabes say, but I'd bet their fundraising efforts reap more cash when they say disaster is imminent.

23 rawmuse  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:29:17pm

re: #19 Karagush

I have noticed that the stock market is a real touchy subject these days.

24 gmsc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:29:44pm

re: #17 rawmuse

So, when disasters happen, that means that God is angry at us?
Then, how come, in the 1906 'quake in San Francisco, all the churches burnt down, but Hotaling's whiskey warehouse and all its contents, were spared?

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
-Benjamin Franklin

25 HelloDare  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:31:30pm

re: #3 gmsc

Quiz: How many people have you slept with?


According to the survey, if you want to have a lot of sex you should drink, smoke, get a tattoo and not go to college. Join the air force, be stationed in S.F. and follow golf.

26 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:31:32pm

Anybody had any lib friends question the new order yet?

27 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:32:02pm

A Purple Heart proves three things: you were smart enough to think of a plan, stupid enough to try it, and lucky enough to survive.

10 second fuses only last 7 seconds. Anything you do can get you shot, even doing nothing. Claymores are labeled "This side toward enemy" for a reason. Don't draw fire, it irritates the people around you.

Don't ever be the first, don't ever be the last and don't ever, ever volunteer to do anything.

Don't look conspicuous: it draws fire. If it's stupid but works, it really isn't stupid. If the enemy is in range, so are you. If the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is *not* our friend. If you can't remember, the claymore is pointed at you. If your attack is going well, you have walked into an ambush. Incoming fire has the right of way.

It is generally unadvisable to eject directly over the area you just bombed. Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out. Mines are equal opportunity weapons. Never share a fox hole with anyone braver than you. Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous. Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy someone else to shoot at. The easy way is always mined.

The enemy invariably attacks on one of two occasions: a. When you're not ready for them. b. When you're ready for them. Either time is inconvenient and generally a bummer.

The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire. The quartermaster has only two sizes: too large and too small. Try to look unimportant, they may be low on ammo. When in doubt empty the magazine.

28 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:32:30pm

re: #19 Karagush


this isnt working out like he thought.

It's working out like I thought!

The thing is, I thought it would take 0bama a few months to screw the pooch this bad, but he's managed to do it in under a month, so he exceeded expectations.

29 Dustyvet  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:38:14pm

re: #28 Fenway_Nation

It's working out like I thought!

The thing is, I thought it would take 0bama a few months to screw the pooch this bad, but he's managed to do it in under a month, so he exceeded expectations.

The United States Marine Band has now replaced "Hail To The Chief" with this:


Youtube Video
30 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:38:20pm

re: #17 rawmuse

So, when disasters happen, that means that God is angry at us?
Then, how come, in the 1906 'quake in San Francisco, all the churches burnt down, but Hotaling's whiskey warehouse and all its contents, were spared?

Mr. Hotaling was a very pious man who made a good product. Next question?

31 astronmr20  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:38:52pm

re: #17 rawmuse

So, when disasters happen, that means that God is angry at us?
Then, how come, in the 1906 'quake in San Francisco, all the churches burnt down, but Hotaling's whiskey warehouse and all its contents, were spared?

Pat Robertson is the reason reason Christians have such a hard time convincing people they are not assholes.

32 HelloDare  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:39:22pm

Well, they can always discuss which puppies are best for young girls.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says nuclear issue is 'closed'

33 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:39:55pm

Watching a local abc news program about repo men. LOL Maybe I could make some money doing that. After all, we are in different times. My BIL, a retired trauma surgeon, repo'd cars during medical school at USC.

34 Throbert McGee  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:40:55pm

ohai CHirstians! god iz having cow from 2 much homos & evolushn
ZOMG gib me $$$ plz?! k thxbai

/LOLpat

35 rawmuse  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:40:59pm

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

Mr. Hotaling was a very pious man who made a good product. Next question?

As a San Franciscan, you can, of course, recite the verse, no?

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:41:20pm

re: #31 astronmr20

Pat Robertson is the reason reason Christians have such a hard time convincing people they are not assholes.

Consider Mr. Robertson a cross to bear...

Or something.

Back when Dr. Laura was wearing a giant diamond-studded magen david, a Christian friend would sometimes remark to me that this made her happy because she felt that now someone else had to be embarrassed by a co-religionist acting weird on TV.

I tried to be suitably embarassed by Dr. Laura, but I don't think she ever claimed to speak for God, per se. And then she sort of bailed on Judaism.

37 gmsc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:41:50pm

re: #33 Pvt Bin Jammin

Watching a local abc news program about repo men. LOL Maybe I could make some money doing that. After all, we are in different times. My BIL, a retired trauma surgeon, repo'd cars during medical school at USC.

Speaking of Repo Man, guess what movie has a sequel that just started filming in January?

38 zombie  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:42:11pm

Just got back from an academic lecture:

"The Banality of Anality: Towards a Reification of Butt-Worship Within a Framework of Word-Salad Jumblification."

At least they had snacks afterword.

39 x-wing  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:42:58pm

re: #26 Pvt Bin Jammin

Anybody had any lib friends question the new order yet?

I have lib. friends that aren't real happy so far, and only a few still suffer from BDS.

I just smile at the former and laugh at the latter ;>}

It turns out Obama has actually been a gift to me. I now burn calories without leaving my barstool.

/

40 HelloDare  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:43:16pm

re: #38 zombie

Just got back from an academic lecture:

"The Banality of Anality: Towards a Reification of Butt-Worship Within a Framework of Word-Salad Jumblification."

At least they had snacks afterword.

When will you be posting the photos?

41 BatGuano  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:43:25pm

Is Pat Robertson relevant today? It's a serious question, to me any way. I used to watch the 700 club 30 years ago. It was entertaining but not enlightening. He occasionally pops with some absurd comment, but does he have any influence today?

42 kynna  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:43:26pm

re: #22 superdawg

I could never understand the logic of these pronouncements. Never mind speaking for God, but take a look around. Las Vegas still stands despite its status as a modern Sodom and Gomorrah.

They like to say God brought us AIDS to punish homosexuals, yet lesbians are the least susceptible. I guess they count as something else? Or maybe it's less 'icky' to the likes of those who think they have the inside track?

43 zombie  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:43:39pm

re: #35 rawmuse

As a San Franciscan, you can, of course, recite the verse, no?

If, as they say, God spanked the town
For being over frisky,
Why did He burn the churches down
And save Hotaling's whiskey?'

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:44:02pm

re: #35 rawmuse

As a San Franciscan, you can, of course, recite the verse, no?

If as they say, God spanked the town
For being over frisky,
Why did he burn the churches down,
But spare Hotaling's whiskey?

;)

45 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:44:02pm

re: #37 gmsc

Speaking of Repo Man, guess what movie has a sequel that just started filming in January?

LOL I'd better hurry and apply for a position before it becomes popular. I'm old but armed.

46 BatGuano  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:44:29pm

re: #40 HelloDare

Eeewww!

47 zombie  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:44:52pm

re: #40 HelloDare

When will you be posting the photos?

No -- I look pretty foolish in leather chaps.

48 freetoken  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:45:07pm

re: #38 zombie

At least they had snacks afterword.

They weren't serving various meats on buns, were they?

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:45:20pm

re: #41 BatGuano

Is Pat Robertson relevant today? It's a serious question, to me any way. I used to watch the 700 club 30 years ago. It was entertaining but not enlightening. He occasionally pops with some absurd comment, but does he have any influence today?

Not on me, personally, no.

50 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:45:29pm

It's funny how CNN keeps putting up these headlines like 'Market Tumbles Despite Stimulus Approval'.

51 zombie  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:45:49pm

re: #43 zombie

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

My variant beat your variant by 23 seconds!

52 zombie  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:46:57pm

re: #48 freetoken

They weren't serving various meats on buns, were they?

Luckily, this was an imaginary event, so let me say...wine and cheese.

53 gmsc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:47:05pm

re: #45 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL I'd better hurry and apply for a position before it becomes popular. I'm old but armed.

It's becoming more popular as we speak. Ever seen Operation Repo on truTV?

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:47:07pm

re: #51 zombie

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

My variant beat your variant by 23 seconds!

You get to have the official variant. Sigh.

55 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:47:08pm

re: #51 zombie

I updinged both

56 rawmuse  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:47:14pm

re: #43 zombie

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL! You two give me the warmies.

57 BatGuano  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:47:29pm

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

Just like NYT headlines, " Prisons fill up despite crime rate drop".

58 slokat  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:47:57pm

I've never seen a variant beat another variant, before... most be a San Francisco thing?

//

59 HelloDare  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:48:25pm

Pat Robertson's Age-Defying Shake. I came for the shake, but stayed for the video.

60 kynna  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:48:40pm

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

It's funny how CNN keeps putting up these headlines like 'Market Tumbles Despite Stimulus Approval'.

Do you think they actually get it and they're propagandizing, or do you think they really believed the 'stimulus' was going to help?

I can't tell anymore.

61 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:49:04pm

re: #39 x-wing

I have lib. friends that aren't real happy so far, and only a few still suffer from BDS.

I just smile at the former and laugh at the latter ;>}

It turns out Obama has actually been a gift to me. I now burn calories without leaving my barstool.

/

LOL

None of our lib friends aren't giving in yet but some of our customers are starting to wonder. I will tell you one thing, though, some of the nicest people I know knew what was going on all along. Mostly young, educated folks. We have raised a generation of marxists.

62 BatGuano  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:49:09pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

Me neither.

63 zombie  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:50:13pm

re: #57 BatGuano

Is that Keenan Wynn in Dr. Strangelove as your user photo?

64 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:50:23pm

re: #60 kynna


Me neither....I just find it somewhat amusing.

65 gmsc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:50:26pm

re: #57 BatGuano

Just like NYT headlines, " Prisons fill up despite crime rate drop".

I like Mark Steyn's headline, Headless Body in Gutless Press

(A play off a classic headline from the New York Post in 1982, Headless Body Found in Topless Bar)

66 x-wing  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:50:56pm

re: #41 BatGuano

No, not as far as I can tell. I watched a few of his news shows a few years ago and enjoyed seeing things that the MFM didn't cover. He would do well if he stuck to that.

67 astronmr20  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:51:36pm

Rawmuse,

Email coming your way.

68 gmsc  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:52:41pm

re: #29 Dustyvet

The United States Marine Band has now replaced "Hail To The Chief" with this:

How about this "hail" song as an alternative?

Youtube Video
69 astronmr20  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:54:17pm

Can we finally say "hail to the thief," now, too.. and really mean it?

70 BatGuano  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:56:37pm

re: #63 zombie

You, betcha! My favorite character in that movie. He was a serious actor who played a comedic role in that movie and I think he presaged the "Airplane" casting of taking dramtic actors and putting them in funny roles. The contrast is hilarious.

71 BlueCanuck  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:57:30pm

re: #27 Dustyvet

The quarter master has three sizes actually, too big, too small, and OMG it fits.
Automatic weapons aren't
recoiless weapons won't.

/more addenedums from Murphy's laws of combat operations.

//used to have them in my wallet at all times.

72 superdawg  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:57:42pm

re: #42 kynna

In many ways its the knee-jerk reaction of overly sensitive types.

They react by saying "What? You're telling me how to live my life?" when they can choose to turn on the ignore button.

Forgotten are significant changes that Chrisitian churches can take considerable credit for, such as promoting civil rights legislation in the 60's.

73 BatGuano  Tue, Feb 17, 2009 11:58:34pm

re: #65 gmsc

He gmsc, I am old enough to remeber that headline! It's good to be old!

74 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, February 18:

Youtube Video
75 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:00:23am

Rawmuse,

Now email REALLY coming your way (since your email has apparently changed).

76 x-wing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:43am

re: #61 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL

None of our lib friends aren't giving in yet but some of our customers are starting to wonder. I will tell you one thing, though, some of the nicest people I know knew what was going on all along. Mostly young, educated folks. We have raised a generation of marxists.

You know, I love this country and I don't want to see anything bad happen to her. But lately I'm feeling like I'm living in one of Ron Whites' jokes' where the Captain of the airplane just announced that they have just lost oil pressure. "Take it down.....and hit something hard, I don't wanna limp away from this thing."

77 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:02:07am

Morning/Evening Night Lizards.

Did any of you know that LGF has a face book page? If so do you know who set it up and runs the group?

78 AReadyRepub  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:02:33am

Fear of God is an interesting thing: Christians are in awe and fear of his wonderful works and the rest of the "persons" are in fear that God has this power when they don't. Feel sorry for the disbeliever.

79 AReadyRepub  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:03:31am

P.S. This whole Obumma thing is becoming self-fulfilling.

80 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:04:06am

Wow! John Travolta was born. Who were those other people? :)

81 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:04:32am

re: #72 superdawg

In many ways its the knee-jerk reaction of overly sensitive types.

They react by saying "What? You're telling me how to live my life?" when they can choose to turn on the ignore button.

Forgotten are significant changes that Chrisitian churches can take considerable credit for, such as promoting civil rights legislation in the 60's.

I remember some trivia gameshow, and one of the questions was, "Who ordered the bugging of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s telephone?" (I knew right away.) The contestant guessed "Richard Nixon" (wrong). Before revealing the answer, other contestants were asked, and they all made various guesses, all Republican.

There was quite a bit of shock among them when the answer was revealed: "President John F. Kennedy"

82 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:06:13am

re: #76 x-wing

You know, I love this country and I don't want to see anything bad happen to her. But lately I'm feeling like I'm living in one of Ron Whites' jokes' where the Captain of the airplane just announced that they have just lost oil pressure. "Take it down.....and hit something hard, I don't wanna limp away from this thing."

I feel the same way, believe me.

I think the majority of our lib friends live as or more conservative than we do but they just don't want to make anybody feel bad for being different. I think some of them will come around. It really scares me when I find out about these dear young adults who are so completely brainwashed by the academia that they're buying into the socialism thing, and frankly, it seems more Marxist to me.

83 x-wing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:07:38am

re: #78 AReadyRepub

Whatever you're drinking...I'll have something else.

84 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:07:45am

re: #80 BatGuano

The "Chicago Seven" for one. They must be celebrating.

85 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:19am

re: #80 BatGuano

Wow! John Travolta was born. Who were those other people? :)

The explanation about who the rest of those people were can be found here.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:09:48am

Must go to bed--staff meeting at 7:45.

Stupid staff meeting.

Sleep well all.

87 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:10:01am

re: #84 Pvt Bin Jammin

Bill Ayers for another....

88 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:10:09am

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Must go to bed--staff meeting at 7:45.

Stupid staff meeting.

Sleep well all.

G'Nite, SFZ!

89 traderjoe9  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:10:09am
Youtube Video

Don't piss of Jack Bauer

90 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:11:44am

re: #89 traderjoe9

[Video]

Don't piss of Jack Bauer

re: #89 traderjoe9

[Video]

Don't piss of Jack Bauer

Or he will speak in a low, gruff voice to you.

91 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:12:32am

re: #85 gmsc

Holy shit! Which to choose.

92 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:12:37am

re: #87 Fenway_Nation

Bill Ayers for another....

Gag me.

When my hubby was a Marine he was stabbed by one of those Weather Underground. I will never forget those a*ssholes and will always hope that somehow they will get theirs.

93 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:12:53am

re: #89 traderjoe9

[Video]

Don't piss of Jack Bauer

Don't do what with the piss of Jack Bauer?
;)

94 freetoken  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:14:37am

re: #93 gmsc

Don't do what with the piss of Jack Bauer?
;)

Sounds like it would make a nutty title to a strange Indian novel: "The Piss of Jack Bauer" ...

95 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:00am

re: #94 freetoken

Sounds like it would make a nutty title to a strange Indian novel: "The Piss of Jack Bauer" ...

...subtitled, "A River Runs Through It".
;)

96 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:05am

re: #5 Killian Bundy

Chrysler Restructuring Plan for Long-Term Viability
General Motors Corporation 2009 – 2014 Restructuring Plan

/may as well read 'em, you're going pay print $40 billion for 'em

97 x-wing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:13am

re: #82 Pvt Bin Jammin

My son,dispite all his problems, sees things as I do(thank you Lord). He is in high school and has been chosen for various debates. I'm proud that he shares many of my views, but now he's talking about journalism school. I'll pay his way through college but I will not let the igits rot his mind.

98 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:16am

re: #77 Erik The Red

Morning/Evening Night Lizards.

Did any of you know that LGF has a face book page? If so do you know who set it up and runs the group?

Just found lol belongs to LGF group.

99 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:32am

Well, honcos, I'd better hit the hay. Couldn't go to sleep last night until after four. We have a rooster in the neighborhood now and I felt like I was on the Gaza strip last night. LOL If I can't sleep this time I'll come back to the thread.

Take care, all.

100 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:39am

re: #92 Pvt Bin Jammin

Gag me.

When my hubby was a Marine he was stabbed by one of those Weather Underground. I will never forget those a*ssholes and will always hope that somehow they will get theirs.

Seriously? ?

You must be really pissed right now.. being the the W.O. put our president in office.

Sorry. ):

101 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:17:40am

re: #98 Erik The Red

Just found lol belongs to LGF group.

And Pam Geller that one is not so good.

102 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:17:56am

re: #99 Pvt Bin Jammin

Well, honcos, I'd better hit the hay. Couldn't go to sleep last night until after four. We have a rooster in the neighborhood now and I felt like I was on the Gaza strip last night. LOL If I can't sleep this time I'll come back to the thread.

Take care, all.

Sleep well, PBJ.

103 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:18:35am

re: #78 AReadyRepub

/green smoke out

AReadyRepub

Registered since: Jul 24, 2008 at 6:40 pm
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104 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:18:56am

Last year, I was linking away to the story of two NY state police officers who were killed by Ayers' Weather Underground buddies in a 1981 Armoured truck heist.

And when I say buddies, I mean after Kathy Boudin was caught and sent to jail for her role in the robbery, Ayers and Dorn raised her kid- Chesa Boudin- who turned out to be a fine young Marxist.

105 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:09am

re: #98 Erik The Red

I should be in there some where.

106 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:36am

re: #97 x-wing

My son,dispite all his problems, sees things as I do(thank you Lord). He is in high school and has been chosen for various debates. I'm proud that he shares many of my views, but now he's talking about journalism school. I'll pay his way through college but I will not let the igits rot his mind.

Good for you. LOL Journalism was my major but I didn't pursue it. couldn't work for those msm folks, for one thing. Our daughter is grown and luckily she sees things the same way we do too.
Nite.

107 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:20:07am

re: #99 Pvt Bin Jammin

Well, honcos, I'd better hit the hay. Couldn't go to sleep last night until after four. We have a rooster in the neighborhood now and I felt like I was on the Gaza strip last night. LOL If I can't sleep this time I'll come back to the thread.

Take care, all.

coyotes should cure that soon.

if not there is always animal control.

108 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:20:14am

re: #102 gmsc

Thanks. Get rid of Harry Reid. LOL

109 x-wing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:20:30am

re: #92 Pvt Bin Jammin

Gag me.

When my hubby was a in the Marine's he was stabbed by one of those Weather Underground. I will never forget those a*ssholes and will always hope that somehow they will get theirs.

Sorry, just a pet peeve.

/once a Marine,always a Marine ;>}

110 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:20:50am

Uh-oh: Democrats sneak Net neutrality rules into 'stimulus' bill

The House Democrats' $825 billion legislation released on Thursday was supposedly intended to "stimulate" the economy. Backers claimed that speedy approval was vital because the nation is in "a crisis not seen since the Great Depression" and "the economy is shutting down."

That's the rhetoric. But in reality, Democrats are using the 258-page legislation to sneak Net neutrality rules in through the back door.

The so-called stimulus package hands out billions of dollars in grants for broadband and wireless development, primarily in what are called "unserved" and "underserved" areas. The U.S. Department of Commerce is charged with writing checks-with-many-zeros-on-them to eligible recipients, including telecommunications companies, local and state governments, and even construction companies and other businesses that might be interested.

The catch is that the federal largesse comes with Net neutrality strings attached. The Commerce Department must ensure that the recipients "adhere to" the Federal Communications Commission's 2005 broadband policy statement (PDF)--which the FCC said at the time was advisory and "not enforceable," and has become the subject of a lawsuit before a federal appeals court in Washington, D.C.

One interpretation of the "adhere to" requirement is that a company like AT&T, Verizon, or Comcast that takes "stimulus" dollars to deploy broadband in, say, Nebraska must abide by these rules nationwide. (It's rather like the state of Nebraska demanding that a broadband provider filter out porn nationwide in exchange for a lucrative government contract.)

In addition, recipients must operate broadband and high-speed wireless networks on an "open access basis." The FCC, soon to be under Democratic control, is charged with deciding what that means. Congress didn't see fit to include a definition.

The Bush administration has taken a dim view of Internet regulations in the form of Net neutrality rules, warning last year that they could "inefficiently skew investment, delay innovation, and diminish consumer welfare, and there is reason to believe that the kinds of broad marketplace restrictions proposed in the name of 'neutrality' would do just that, with respect to the Internet." A report from the Federal Trade Commission reached the same conclusion in 2007.

In addition, a recent study from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says that the absence of Net neutrality laws or similar federally mandated regulations has spurred telecommunications companies to invest heavily in infrastructure, and changing the rules "would have a devastating effect on the U.S. economy, investment, and innovation."

Now, perhaps extensive Net neutrality regulations are wise. But enough people seem to have honest, deep-seated reservations about them to justify a sincere discussion of costs and benefits--rather than having the requirements stealthily injected into what supposed to be an emergency save-the-economy bill scheduled for a floor vote within a week or so.

Net neutrality requirements can, of course, always be imposed retroactively on broadband "stimulus" recipients. As recently as one day ago, a Democratic Senate aide was saying the topic would be addressed in the Judiciary Committee in the near future; there seems little reason to rush to lard up this particular legislation.

But it always seems to happen. Last fall's TARP bailout bill included IRS snooping. A port security bill included Internet gambling restrictions; the Real ID Act was glued onto a military spending and tsunami relief bill; a library filtering law was attached to a destined-to-be-enacted bill funding Congress itself.
It's enough to make you want to force our elected representatives to actually read the bills they pass.

111 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:21:15am

re: #105 BlueCanuck

I should be in there some where.

Looking just found another one called Lizaroids United.

112 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:21:22am

re: #108 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thanks. Get rid of Harry Reid. LOL

I'll do my part!

113 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:21:58am

re: #92 Pvt Bin Jammin

Sorry about hubby being stabbed by one those terrorists. Is it widely known that they got their name from the Dylan lyrics from "Subterranean Homesick Blues". To wit, " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"?

114 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:22:42am

re: #111 Erik The Red

Looking just found another one called Lizaroids United.

Blue I am new to this. If I add this group will all the members be able to see me or only the ones I become friends with?

115 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:25:49am

re: #76 x-wing

You know, I love this country and I don't want to see anything bad happen to her. But lately I'm feeling like I'm living in one of Ron Whites' jokes' where the Captain of the airplane just announced that they have just lost oil pressure. "Take it down.....and hit something hard, I don't wanna limp away from this thing."

"How far can we fly on one engine? All the way to the scene of the crash....."

/going at half the speed of smell. %-)

116 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:26:19am

re: #114 Erik The Red

Anyone who is in the group will see you. They won't see your full profile though. And unless you say who you are they probably won't have an idea who you are. In the Little Green Footballs group I see all the members, but I only know one or two by rep, if they have posted their LGF handle, other wise zilch.

117 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:26:21am

Much better write-up on the excerable Chesa Boudin here.

118 TheMatrix31  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:28:32am

re: #110 gmsc

Uh-oh: Democrats sneak Net neutrality rules into 'stimulus' bill

Now, for someone who has absolutely no attention span or ability to process anything tonight, what does this mean?

119 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:28:54am

re: #116 BlueCanuck

Anyone who is in the group will see you. They won't see your full profile though. And unless you say who you are they probably won't have an idea who you are. In the Little Green Footballs group I see all the members, but I only know one or two by rep, if they have posted their LGF handle, other wise zilch.

Mine should be fairly easy to work out as Erik is my real first name. I have just joined go see if you can work out who I am.

120 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:29:29am

Am I the only one to notice that we have as POTUS the only uncorrupted Illinois politician? sarcy thingy somewhere.

121 x-wing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:29:49am

re: #115 redc1c4

"How far can we fly on one engine? All the way to the scene of the crash....."

/going at half the speed of smell. %-)

LOL, saw him live a few years ago up in Hershey. The guy is a riot. How's it going tonight? You got anything I could take a snort of tonite?

122 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:31:27am

re: #119 Erik The Red

Mine should be fairly easy to work out as Erik is my real first name. I have just joined go see if you can work out who I am.

i gave up on Facebook when they said i couldn't be "red c1c4" as it wasn't a real name......

123 traderjoe9  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:33:44am
Youtube Video

Hastalavista, Baby Jesus!

124 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:35:22am

re: #122 redc1c4

i gave up on Facebook when they said i couldn't be "red c1c4" as it wasn't a real name......

Funny because someone is using a very similar icon as you in this group thought it may be you.

125 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:36:45am

re: #119 Erik The Red

Gotcha pegged. And that is a nice looking family you have there.

126 x-wing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:37:43am

re: #122 redc1c4

i gave up on Facebook when they said i couldn't be "red c1c4" as it wasn't a real name......


You shold 've added your last name "Blagojavich"(sp) ;>}

/I saw you were trying to sell off my fruitcup last night.

/white smoke

127 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:37:44am

re: #118 TheMatrix31

Now, for someone who has absolutely no attention span or ability to process anything tonight, what does this mean?

The rules in this net neutrality bill require ISP who get federal funding to limit/filter porn access. However, the rules are written so that the FCC could choose to apply the same rule to political opinion.

128 chicagodudewhotrades  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:21am

Speaking of uncorrupted IL. politicans (major sarc on that one) , earlier today I think I saw ex-gov Blago jogging thru a park trail that runs alongside the North branch of the Chicago River. His Chicago residence is somewhat close to me and while this park was kinda out of the way for both of us, it is nice. Which is why I walk thru it sometimes. He is a runner so it is possible that was him, besides it isn't like he has a job at the moment. Plenty of free time.

129 TheMatrix31  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:32am

re: #127 gmsc

The rules in this net neutrality bill require ISP who get federal funding to limit/filter porn access. However, the rules are written so that the FCC could choose to apply the same rule to political opinion.

Oh that's just great. So it's like a fairness doctrine-lite?

130 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:58am

re: #125 BlueCanuck

Gotcha pegged. And that is a nice looking family you have there.

Couple of Canadians there send me a friend request and I will add. Thanks about the family. Pity about the fat ugly fuck in the photo.

131 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:39:00am

re: #118 TheMatrix31

Now, for someone who has absolutely no attention span or ability to process anything tonight, what does this mean?

re: #127 gmsc

The rules in this net neutrality bill require ISP who get federal funding to limit/filter porn access. However, the rules are written so that the FCC could choose to apply the same rule to political opinion.

Effectively, this could potentially be a way of getting a fairness doctrine type rule to apply to federally-funded ISPs.

132 traderjoe9  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:39:01am

Good night, folks.

I leave you with this awesome piece of comedy...that you have probably seen already.

Youtube Video
133 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:39:22am

re: #129 TheMatrix31

Oh that's just great. So it's like a fairness doctrine-lite?

re: #131 gmsc

Effectively, this could potentially be a way of getting a fairness doctrine type rule to apply to federally-funded ISPs.

Yep!

134 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:40:01am

re: #132 traderjoe9

Good night, folks.

I leave you with this awesome piece of comedy...that you have probably seen already.


[Video]

G'Night traderjoe!

135 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:42:06am

re: #130 Erik The Red

Done. Should be recieving it shortly.

136 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:42:14am

re: #129 TheMatrix31

Oh that's just great. So it's like a fairness doctrine-lite?

More accurately, it could be - depending on the administration.

137 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:42:37am

re: #132 traderjoe9

Good night. That one will never grow old.

138 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:43:02am

re: #121 x-wing

LOL, saw him live a few years ago up in Hershey. The guy is a riot. How's it going tonight? You got anything I could take a snort of tonite?

well, i was combing the cat, so i suppose you can try that.......

re: #124 Erik The Red

Funny because someone is using a very similar icon as you in this group thought it may be you.

well, i *had* a facebook addy for a short bit, but they killed it for the above mentioned reason. if i was there, my name would be the same as here.

the South Park icon page is still up, afaik, so anyone can create a character there, if they want one.

139 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:43:34am

re: #128 chicagodudewhotrades

Speaking of uncorrupted IL. politicans (major sarc on that one) , earlier today I think I saw ex-gov Blago jogging thru a park trail that runs alongside the North branch of the Chicago River. His Chicago residence is somewhat close to me and while this park was kinda out of the way for both of us, it is nice. Which is why I walk thru it sometimes. He is a runner so it is possible that was him, besides it isn't like he has a job at the moment. Plenty of free time.

what a crappy neighborhood..... can you move?

140 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:44:36am

re: #130 Erik The Red

Couple of Canadians there send me a friend request and I will add. Thanks about the family. Pity about the ugly fat fuck in the photo.

FTFY!

/white smoke

141 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:45:18am

re: #110 gmsc

Uh-oh: Democrats sneak Net neutrality rules into 'stimulus' bill

Holy SHIT!

WHAT ELSE WILL WE UNCOVER IN THIS THING? re: #129 TheMatrix31

Oh that's just great. So it's like a fairness doctrine-lite?


Worse.

You'd have the fed regulating the web 100%.

142 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:46:05am

re: #135 BlueCanuck

Done. Should be recieving it shortly.

Done thanks.

143 chicagodudewhotrades  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:47:35am

re: #139 redc1c4


I got a nice big Target store across the street, that comes in handy during the winter when it is cold and I need some groceries. besides, Blago may be at Club fed someday soon. I can wait him out.

144 TheMatrix31  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:48:51am

re: #141 astronmr20

Worse.

You'd have the fed regulating the web 100%.

Just great!

145 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:53:28am

Pilot Action May Have Led to Crash

The commuter plane slowed to an unsafe speed as it approached the airport, causing an automatic stall warning, these people said. The pilot pulled back sharply on the plane's controls and added power instead of following the proper procedure of pushing forward to lower the plane's nose to regain speed, they said. He held the controls there, locking the airplane into a deadly stall, they added.

/oops

146 x-wing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:53:50am

re: #132 traderjoe9

Seen it, but can never get enough of it, thanks and good night ;>}

147 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:54:25am

re: #141 astronmr20

Worse.

You'd have the fed regulating the web 100%.

what could go wrong with that?

148 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:55:20am

re: #141 astronmr20

Worse.

You'd have the fed regulating the web 100%.

So, Democrats - I HOPE this is the CHANGE you voted for!

149 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:55:45am

re: #145 Killian Bundy

Pilot Action May Have Led to Crash

/oops

IIRC, Pilot Error is the #1 cause of all non-jihadi airplane crashes.

150 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:56:32am

re: #148 gmsc

So, Democrats - I HOPE this is the CHANGE you voted for!

it is.... now go buy some guns and ammo.

151 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:56:48am

re: #145 Killian Bundy

Lesson: don't fuck with physics.

152 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:05:37am

Good night, all!

It's time for me to hit the hay. I have an early day tomorrow.

153 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:05:53am

re: #151 BatGuano

Lesson: don't fuck with physics.

Obey gravity: it's the law.

154 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:07:43am

think i should mention this in class?

Student Sues

155 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:11:04am

just in time for a LNDT snack: Got Pork?

156 astronmr20  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:11:24am

re: #148 gmsc

So, Democrats - I HOPE this is the CHANGE you voted for!

We are only beginning to peel away what's in this monster bill.

It's like Obama has taken all of his horrible domestic ideas and packed them into one un-readable, incomprehensible, vague piece of shit.

Now he still has a full for years to dick around.

We just laid a trillion dollar at Barack Hussein Obama's feet.

Let me repeat.

We just laid a trillion dollars at this traitor's feet.

157 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:16:35am

re: #156 astronmr20

We are only beginning to peel away what's in this monster bill.

It's like Obama has taken all of his horrible domestic ideas and packed them into one un-readable, incomprehensible, vague piece of shit.

Now he still has a full for years to dick around.

We just laid a trillion dollar at Barack Hussein Obama's feet.

Let me repeat.

We just laid a trillion dollars at this traitor's feet.

who's "we", Kemosabe?

158 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:31am

re: #154 redc1c4

think i should mention this in class?

Student Sues

Absolutely.

/he who creates the biggest scene wins

159 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:19:31am

re: #155 redc1c4

just in time for a LNDT snack: Got Pork?

/Trojan Pig

160 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:22:20am

re: #159 Killian Bundy

It ain't Kosher.

161 freetoken  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:23:26am

re: #154 redc1c4

think i should mention this in class?

Student Sues

Volokh wrote a couple of pieces on that yesterday, if you want to visit his blog and get some reading.

162 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:30:30am

re: #161 freetoken

Volokh wrote a couple of pieces on that yesterday, if you want to visit his blog and get some reading.

i always enjoy going to his site, even though i wind up spending huge amounts of time there. he's like Patterico on steroids.

163 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:32:17am

Al in a Box

As the recount trial for Senator Norm Coleman and Al Franken heads into its fourth week, a few things are becoming clear: Al Franken doesn't have the bearing of a U.S. senator -- and he may not have the votes to become one either.

On Election Day, the Minnesota Senate race was in a dead heat. After a baffling and flawed recount which showed Al Franken ahead by a mere 225 votes, Senator Coleman and his team of legal experts brought the case to court. The Coleman camp must prove there were errors during the recount process. Franken must prove Coleman agreed to the vote-counting procedures during the recount and now must live with the consequences. Almost every day, the Coleman team makes progress in showing Franken may have declared victory too soon. On February 5, Anoka Country announced it discovered ballots that had never even been counted. Last week, a Dakota county official testified some absentee ballots were wrongly rejected. The list goes on.

/Franken is still winning, any votes they count or find split pretty much down the middle

164 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:46:17am

re: #163 Killian Bundy

They're still finding 'missing' ballots?

165 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:47:15am

re: #163 Killian Bundy

Al in a Box

/Franken is still winning, any votes they count or find split pretty much down the middle


so much for "honest elections"

166 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:48:01am
167 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:48:52am

re: #164 Fenway_Nation

They're still finding 'missing' ballots?

AIUI, they are now discussing all the ones they "found" after the first election results.

/welcome to the 3rd world

168 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:53:21am
169 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:57:13am

re: #168 ploome hineni

Go figure it's happening in Great Britain. They seem to bending over backwards lately to appease their future overlords.

170 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:59:44am

well, since LoL is like as not passed out over there on an overdose of stimulus, i guess i'll have to get this damned fruitcup up on the table for peole to criticize......

i'd like to see y'all shag yer butts out here every night and get'r done.

171 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:59:47am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------->
Help yourselves!

172 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:59:56am

re: #169 BlueCanuck

Go figure it's happening in Great Britain. They seem to bending over backwards lately to appease their future overlords.

Was wondering if you were still around thanks with the help on FB. I think it can become a monster if you let it. My wife spends at least 2-3 hours on it a night.

173 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:00:34am

Whoops!

/trigger finger :-(

174 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:01:03am

re: #171 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------->
Help yourselves!

{lol} thanks for fruitcup. Is that you on Face Book on the LGF group?

175 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:01:09am

Some fruitcup to go with all that pork?

176 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:02:02am

re: #174 Erik The Red

Erik! :-)

What?

Fenway! :-)

177 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:03:01am

re: #173 littleoldlady

Whoops!

/trigger finger :-(

i'm told that happens more as you get older.....

/white smoke

178 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:04:25am

re: #171 littleoldlady

Good morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup.

179 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:04:29am

re: #177 redc1c4

red! :-)

LOTS of stuff happens as you get older.

/ENJOY!
//Sucker!

;-)

180 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:04:39am

re: #176 littleoldlady

Erik! :-)

What?

Fenway! :-)

There is a Face Book Group for LGF and there is a member there with the name littleoldlady was wondering if it was you?

181 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:05:23am

re: #172 Erik The Red

Heh, no problem. Yes, you have to watch out for Facebook addiction. Unfortunately I have a mild dose. But its one of those things that keeps me going late at night here at work.

182 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:05:37am

BlueCanuck! :-)

183 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:06:52am
184 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:07:13am
185 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:07:19am

Erik,

Maybe I did sign up, once upon a time...

/see, red?
//look what you have to look forward to!

186 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:08:48am

ploomie! :-)

I guess I can make some Hawaiian pizza with the leftover pineapple from the fruitcup.

/taking orders

187 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:08:51am

re: #181 BlueCanuck

I never really gave facebook too much thought until some ex-girlfriends of mine got a hold of my sister via facebook and started asking about me...

188 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:09:29am

re: #185 littleoldlady

Well if you do happen to remember to log back in you might have a few pending requests then. :)

/at least one from me as well.

189 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:02am

re: #188 BlueCanuck

Well if you do happen to remember to log back in you might have a few pending requests then. :)

/at least one from me as well.

and from me.

190 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:19am

re: #185 littleoldlady

Erik,

Maybe I did sign up, once upon a time...

/see, red?
//look what you have to look forward to!

i'm just gonna die.... it's lots less trouble.

191 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:27am

re: #187 Fenway_Nation

It's amazing who you discover when you do. It can be... ... Interesting.

192 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:50am

re: #187 Fenway_Nation

I never really gave facebook too much thought until some ex-girlfriends of mine got a hold of my sister via facebook and started asking about me...

how much child support did they get?

193 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:51am

re: #186 littleoldlady

Nooooooooooooooo!

Pineapple was meant to be mushed into juice and served with vodka, not put on a pizza with some mozerella cheese and ham.

194 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:58am
195 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:13:14am

Hey blue how did you block you profile om the LGF group. Sounds like that may be a good idea.

196 beblebrox  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:13:29am

Good morning everyone!

Get this: Students kicked out of school for wearing the keffiyeh.

i especially love this part. these kids have learned to lie young:

One of the students admits he wore a T-shirt last week that read "Rest in Peace Israel", but says he does not wear the scarf for political reasons.

197 Ledger1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:14:05am

Resturning to the “Fairness Doctrine” Ace has noticed that a portion of it slipped into the huge “stimulus bill.”

1. “Democrats Sneak Net Neutrality Act into Stimulus Bill.” This is from an article at... CNET.

According to critics, while language in the FCC policy statement is about limiting (or filtering) porn, the way it's written could easily be expanded to limit or regulate opinion and gives the FCC fairly broad powers to do so...

See: Overnight Open Thread. Be Afraid…be Very Afraid

[CNET]
…so-called stimulus package hands out billions of dollars in grants for broadband and wireless development... in what are called "unserved" and "underserved" areas. The U.S. Department of Commerce is charged with writing checks-with-many-zeros-on-them to eligible recipients, including telecommunications companies, local and state governments, and even construction companies and other businesses that might be interested.
The catch is that the federal largesse comes with Net neutrality strings attached. The Commerce Department must ensure that the recipients "adhere to" the Federal Communications Commission's 2005 broadband policy statement...

One interpretation of the "adhere to" requirement is that a company like AT&T, Verizon, or Comcast that takes "stimulus" dollars to deploy broadband in, say, Nebraska must abide by these rules nationwide. (It's rather like the state of Nebraska demanding that a broadband provider filter out porn nationwide in exchange for a lucrative government contract.)
In addition, recipients must operate broadband and high-speed wireless networks on an "open access basis." The FCC, soon to be under Democratic control, is charged with deciding what that means. Congress didn't see fit to include a definition.

The Bush administration has taken a dim view of Internet regulations in the form of Net neutrality rules, warning last year that they could "inefficiently skew investment, delay innovation, and diminish consumer welfare, and there is reason to believe that the kinds of broad marketplace restrictions proposed in the name of 'neutrality' would do just that, with respect to the Internet."

Democrats sneak Net neutrality rules into 'stimulus' bill


Whatever happened to 0bama's promise to put all bills on the internet for public inspection for period of five days before he signs them?

Gone under the bus?

198 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:16:07am

re: #194 ploome hineni

Dolphin stays for three days with mate wounded in shark attack - before escorting it to humans for help

the more you learn about animals, the more awesome they are

and the more you know about humans, the more you like animals.

199 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:18:44am

re: #197 Ledger1

Gone under the bus?

WE are under the bus!

/verybigsigh

Ledger! :-)

200 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:20:46am

Crap. I just screwed up everything trying to pull up my facebook account(s).

Whose idea was this?! :-(

201 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:22:36am

re: #195 Erik The Red

The way profiles work is that only friends can see them. A stranger is only able to see your profile picture and that's it. When both users agree to a connection, only then is the profile unlocked for viewing. One of the reasons why I like Facebook over myspace. Oh yeah, you are able to view friend profiles of your friends.

202 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:20am

re: #201 BlueCanuck

The way profiles work is that only friends can see them. A stranger is only able to see your profile picture and that's it. When both users agree to a connection, only then is the profile unlocked for viewing. One of the reasons why I like Facebook over myspace. Oh yeah, you are able to view friend profiles of your friends.

Ok thanks. Sounds safer.

203 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:20am

re: #199 littleoldlady

WE are under the bus!

/verybigsigh

Ledger! :-)

ain't no bus THAT big......

i'll personally high center the bitch.

(and WAB too. %-)

204 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:38am

re: #200 littleoldlady

Crap. I just screwed up everything trying to pull up my facebook account(s).

Whose idea was this?! :-(

Not mine :)////

205 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:26:37am

re: #204 Erik The Red

Not mine :)////

*whistles innocently*

206 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:28:46am

re: #205 BlueCanuck

*whistles innocently*

you should have told her it's really known as "Faced Book": if you aren't hammered, you shouldn't bother.

/white smoke

207 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:36:11am

re: #206 redc1c4

you should have told her it's really known as "Faced Book": if you aren't hammered, you shouldn't bother.

/white smoke

OK, don't..... see if i care!

208 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:37:29am

re: #206 redc1c4

Sorry, was too busy poking somebody.

/white smoke.

209 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:39:34am

I have/had a facebook account that I used when my daughter was at school in ny. A bunch of her friends added me as friends. SHE has deleted me but they are still there.

So I reregistered with another email - as littleoldlady - but evidently either I used it before or there's about 100 requests for friends based on that email - ALL of whom know me by my real name! I'm trying to change it but it doesn't seem to be working...

OY

210 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:40:41am

re: #209 littleoldlady

Did that make any sense?

211 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:43:36am

re: #209 littleoldlady

Oy indeed. And yes it makes sense.

/sort of

212 TheMatrix31  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:46:37am

I see a Little Oldlady in the group....

213 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:48:39am

re: #212 TheMatrix31

I see a Little Oldlady in the group....

Where are you Matrix?

214 TheMatrix31  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:49:42am

re: #213 Erik The Red

Where are you Matrix?

I didn't join it yet. Do I have to go tinker with my privacy settings to make me "more secure" or whatever?

215 Luigi  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:50:41am

Some straight talk for a change...

Anti-Semitic attacks rising, UK watchdog reports

London's Metropolitan Police "report that since December, there have been four times as many anti-Semitic attacks as attacks on Muslims, even though there are seven or eight times the number of British Muslims as there are Jews," said British lawmaker Denis MacShane, who chaired the country's first parliamentary inquiry into anti-Semitism.

Against this backdrop, London hosted a two-day international conference on combating anti-Semitism Monday and Tuesday.

216 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:51:36am

re: #214 TheMatrix31

I didn't join it yet. Do I have to go tinker with my privacy settings to make me "more secure" or whatever?

Blue is the better one to ask. I think that unless you accept someone as a friend no one can see your profile. I have not given my LGF nic over there but should not be to hard to work out who I am.

217 TheMatrix31  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:56:07am

re: #216 Erik The Red

Blue is the better one to ask. I think that unless you accept someone as a friend no one can see your profile. I have not given my LGF nic over there but should not be to hard to work out who I am.

LOL, precisely what I was going to say regarding my name.

218 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:02:45am

How is this possible?

219 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:03:58am

Morning Lizards.

{lol}

220 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:06:43am

re: #218 rightside

I don't even know where to start on that. Effed up is what it is.

221 Luigi  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:06:46am

NewsBusters found a big fat 'name-that-party' malfeasance from AP and the Chicago papers....

Name That Party: Chicago Alderman Sentenced to 4 Years; Sun-Times, AP Fail to Note Dem Party Affiliation

Former Chicago Democratic Alderman Arenda Troutman was sentenced today to four years in prison for mail and tax fraud. In covering her sentencing, both the Chicago Sun-Times article and Jeff Coen's Breaking News piece at the Chicago Tribune failed to mention that Troutman is a Democrat.

This is precisely the sort of journalistic malfeasance that has lead us to the brink of national collapse. And the 'journalists' involved know it, and lack the courage and integrity to do their jobs while the best Americans are dying overseas to hand their their freedom of the press on a silver platter.

222 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:06:58am

rightside! :-)

223 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:08:37am

re: #218 rightside

How is this possible?

Morning RS. You know anything is possible when a jury gets involved. Sick. I was having a conversation the other day about juries. I am almost starting to think that they are no longer needed for most cases. Put 3 judges together and let them decide. No emotion and they deal with only the facts and law that applies to the case.

224 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:10:48am

re: #223 Erik The Red

I am stunned at how illegals can file a lawsuit in this country!

Can I sue Mexico for billions for mental anguish?

225 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:18:35am

re: #223 Erik The Red

They tried that. It's called the ninth circuit court of appeals. They're the ones who find that titmice have more of a right to live than you do. That you must pay for illegals to break the law here. The list goes on.

226 Annar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:21:27am

Just checked and Dover's still there. Maybe Roberson could channel his former fellow huckster and faith healer Jerry Falwell for a divine Sodom and Gemorah kind of intervention to teach those infidels a lesson!

227 abaleh  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:25:53am

Syria reportedly stepping up production of chemical weapons

These are the guys Obama wants to be pals with, right?

228 gregg  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:27:04am

I'm making my coffee extra strong this morning (from the WSJ):

Garry Mathiason is 37-year veteran of Littler Mendelson, a leading employment-law specialist with 800 attorneys and 30,000 clients. Mr. Mathiason estimates that the firm is consulted on roughly half the layoffs in the U.S.

When Littler’s layoff-related business surged last fall, Mr. Mathiason conducted an informal survey of his colleagues and found the firm was handling around a million prospective job cuts. That suggested two million for the nation as a whole, though Mr. Mathiason knew some of the prospective layoffs might not materialize during the quarter. When the government released its official numbers in January, U.S. employers had eliminated 1.5 million jobs in the fourth quarter – close to what Mr. Mathiason had expected.

Now the bad news. Mr. Mathiason says Littler is working on roughly two million additional prospective layoffs this quarter. Applying his admittedly unscientific methodology, Mr. Mathiason estimates the U.S. could lose around three million jobs from January through March, or one million a month. That’s equivalent to all the job losses in 2008. The government estimates that 600,000 jobs were lost in January.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

229 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:27:51am
230 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:35:12am

re: #228 gregg

Fabulous. Another excuse to print more money...

:-(

231 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:42:04am

Where are all the usual suspects today?

232 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:43:45am

It is a known fact that most daughters-in-law have problems
with their mothers-in-law. Anyway one day the daughters-in-law all got
together and decided to apologize to their mothers-in-law for everything
they had apparently done wrong.

A week later the daughters-in-law decided to take their
Families (including their mothers-in-law) on a picnic. The mother in
laws were all in one bus, which was the first to leave.

On the way their bus had an accident and all the
mothers-in-law died.

The daughters-in-law were devastated but one in particular
was more heart broken than the rest. Everyone tried to console her
by telling her that at least her mother-in-law had died without any
tension between them.

But still she cried. Eventually when she was calm enough to
speak the other women asked her: Why are you crying so much. Was your
mother-in-law that special?

The woman replied: "No, my mother-in-law missed the bus!"

233 Tigger2005  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:47:11am

re: #227 abaleh

Syria reportedly stepping up production of chemical weapons

These are the guys Obama wants to be pals with, right?

Unclench that fist, dammit!

234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:50:37am

The other day, I saw an article on Drudge re: the White Houses freezing of staff pay below a hundred grand... anybody read it... I didn't get a chance, now can't find it.

235 ThinkRight  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:54:25am

re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I read it
It was week before last i think

Obama freezing some aides' salaries

236 gregg  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:56:10am

re: #230 littleoldlady

Fabulous. Another excuse to print more money...

:-(

Sounds like Fed's bank rescue plan includes nationalizing some banks (according to the Financial Times). GM is no longer General Motors, but Government Motors. And guess which country could go bankrupt? Switzerland, due to their exposure to Eastern European debt (according to a well known economist).

Interesting times...

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:56:26am

re: #235 ThinkRight

Thanks, anyway. I've known of that one. The one I was speaking of was something like "After promising the wage freeze, many are quietly getting raises above".

238 Ledger1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:59:03am

re: #199 littleoldlady

Well, I am taking some one inch nails along to help take out the tires.

239 Ledger1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:01:51am

re: #203 redc1c4

Yep, take out the dang bus anyway you can.

240 littleoldlady  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:03:24am

re: #236 gregg

Interesting times...

Only if you're healthy enough to survive them. :-(

241 yesandno  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:03:59am

re: #228 gregg

I'm making my coffee extra strong this morning (from the WSJ):


[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

What....things are getting worse? After the Stimulating and all?

AS usual with such promises, the Stimulus should result in more 'bang' for the buck.

/we're screwed

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:05:47am

re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The other day, I saw an article on Drudge re: the White Houses freezing of staff pay below a hundred grand... anybody read it... I didn't get a chance, now can't find it.

Totally my bad. Not White House, Governor Paterson, NY. Oops.

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:06:58am

re: #236 gregg


Interesting times...

Ain't that a Chinese curse? "May you live in interesting times."?

244 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:07:34am

re: #232 Erik The Red

That is a retread of one of my favourites from the 1960's:

A man at a cemetary, standing in front of the tombstone of Harry Schwartz:
"Oy why did you die?"
"Oy WHY did you die?"
"Oy why did you DIE?"

A woman hears the lament, approaches and asks the man:
"Excuse me for interrupting, but I couldn't help overhearing - you must have been very close to Mr. Schwartz."

The man replies:
"Never met the fellow." and continues as before:
"Oy why did you die?"
"Oy WHY did you DIE?"

The woman taps him on the shoulder and asks:
"But sir, if you didn't know the deceased, then why are you so upset?"

"I married his widow"...

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:07:55am

Sunrise Earth, Great Barrier Reef, Australia.

Wow.

246 ThinkRight  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:08:58am

re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I read that also
And they spent a lot of money on a trip to the inauguration

247 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:10:47am

British libraries to put Koran on top shelf, at Muslims’ request

Muslims have complained of finding the Koran on lower shelves, saying it should be put above commonplace things.
So officials have responded with guidance, backed by ministers, that all holy books should be treated equally and go on the top shelf together…
The report said the city’s librarians consulted the Federation of Muslim Organisations and were advised that all religious texts should be kept on the top shelf.
‘This meant that no offence is caused, as the scriptures of all the major faiths are given respect in this way, but none is higher than any other,’ the guidance added…
Inayat Bunglawala, of the Engage think tank, which encourages Muslims to play a greater role in public life, said: ‘If Muslims wish to see the Koran placed on a higher shelf, and library rules say it should be there, then that is a welcome and considerate gesture.
‘But one size does not fit all. If Christians do not want to see the Bible treated in the same way, I do not see why it has to be dealt with the same.'

It is now just Britain, or Divided Kingdom

248 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:16:02am

Good Morning Lizards!

What's the worst that could happen?

249 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:16:26am

re: #247 rightside

British libraries to put Koran on top shelf, at Muslims’ request

Thanks for calling this to my attention, now I know how to properly store my Koran.

250 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:20:17am

re: #248 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

What's the worst that could happen?

Hey Ford saw you over at LGF Face Book site.

251 3 wood  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:22:20am

Good morning.

Look for the market to open on the upside, as the futures are pointing up after yesterday's carnage. There will be some bargain hunting this morning.

The market is down 7% to 8% since the Messiah took office. The plummet of the market in the last week or so is a repudiation of Obama, his "stimulus" bill, and his apparently brain-damaged Treasury Chief Tim Geithner. The market has concluded that the larger banks will either go bankrupt or be nationalized, and that this group is incapable of solving the financial system problem short of that.

Look for gold to shoot up further, treasuries to be snapped up as a safe haven and for a difficult market for some time to come, and for a new low to be set in the market in the next few days.

Basically, Obama and company have no clue.

252 summergurl  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:22:38am

Well my IRA took another beating yesterday-

Good thing Walmart's profits are up - may have to work there passing out carts///

253 ThinkRight  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:23:21am

John Adams Quotes
We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.

But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.

Children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom.

I always consider the settlement of America with reverence and wonder, as the opening of a grand scene and design in providence, for the illumination of the ignorant and the emancipation of the slavish part of mankind all over the earth.

I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.

In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.

No man who ever held the office of president would congratulate a friend on obtaining it.

The proposition that the people are the best keepers of their own liberties is not true. They are the worst conceivable, they are no keepers at all; they can neither judge, act, think, or will, as a political body.

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

You will never be alone with a poet in your pocket

There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.

Our obligations to our country never cease but with our lives.

Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide.
Lifted from PLF

254 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:23:22am

re: #247 rightside

British libraries to put Koran on top shelf, at Muslims’ request

It is now just Britain, or Divided Kingdom

I may have to start visiting my local libraries and begin moving books around. Personally I think the Koran would fit in nicely in the Erotica department. Right between "Incest: Where to find the legal loopholes" and "KY: An in depth history".

255 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:24:48am

Good morning, Lizards. I get a later start this morning because my boys and I have dental appointments.

256 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:26:40am

re: #250 Erik The Red

Hey Ford saw you over at LGF Face Book site.

Morning Erik. I think it is great that there is a group for us, a few actually, but very few people seem to be willing to identify themselves.

257 Tigger2005  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:26:41am

I know Charles doesn't like conspiracy theories, but I'm feeling more and more like Obama is a Trojan Horse. A transparent Trojan Horse, though ... anyone should have been able to see right through him and known what he believed and how he was going to act once he got in office. But I am not at all sure that he is doing all the wrong things for the "right" reasons (i.e. with the best interests of the country at heart). I saw that column by the CNN guy where he blamed the stimulus boondoggle on Pelosi and Reid and said Obama needed to "get his act together." But I think as far as Obama is concerned, he DOES have his act together. This useless, bankrupting bill is precisely what he wanted, or what he was under orders to produce. IMO, Soros is pulling the strings.

258 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:28:27am

re: #253 ThinkRight

Rush read that first one twice yesterday on his show.

259 gregg  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:29:37am

Who said the following at the end of January:

"We must not revert to isolationism and unrestrained economic egotism... Excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state's omnipotence is another possible mistake. True, the state's increased role in times of crisis is a natural reaction to market setbacks. Instead of streamlining market mechanisms, some are tempted to expand state economic intervention to the greatest possible extent... In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state's role absolute. In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive.

h/t Gateway Pundit.

260 ThinkRight  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:29:47am

re: #258 rightside

Rush read that first one twice yesterday on his show.


yep
I lifted that from power line and the article stated that

261 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:29:54am

re: #255 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}

The gubmint is paying for those appointments, right?

/

262 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:31:53am

Ignorance is the enemy and the enemy is ignorant:

Mohammed Nazzal, a senior Hamas leader based in Damascus, challenged Arab governments to “open their borders and allow the fighters to come.”

Delegates from all over the Middle East, and from Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan and Indonesia applauded as he stabbed the air with a raised finger and declared: “There will be no agreement with Israel... only weapons will bring respect.”

Mr Nazzal told his audience: “Don’t worry about casualties.”

More importantly, this conference represented something of a coup for Hamas. They were promised weapons, money and fighters.

You almost want to weep when you read this. Let's say Hamas put out the call for 10 million "fighters" and 1 million showed up, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria all said our borders are open, you would have either 1 million starving troops because somehow you have to feed this mass. Heaven help them if they ever got into actual combat. The there is the small problem of what happens to masses of troops exposed in the open to air attack.

In 1944's Operation Cobra, Eisenhower called in the whole Air Force to bomb the east end of the Normandy peninsula. Just carpet bomb the place. Thousands of civilians died but so did 8-10 German Divisions, Patton rolled through the remainder so fast they never knew what hit them. Now imagine you are some dumbass who heard a speech in some mosque telling you it was your sacred duty to go kill Jews, sisnce the Koran doesn't even require you to ask you parents' permission, you can just go to war. You are probably not smart enough to notice that none of the sons of the folks who invited you to go to war are fighting by your side. The IAF will drop leaflets that maybe you can read telling you that if you go home, right now, you won't die but if you continue, it is certain death. Assuming you can't read, or don't care, you keep marching.

Now the sad part of the story. With no choice of letting this rabble destroy Israel or taking out this army, Israel will take out the army. They will probably try to blast the front of the mob to stampede the rest into retreat but even that might cause 10, 20, 40, 50,000 casualties (who knows and let's hope we never find out).

The Shaikhs who met near Ataturk airport could not run a gas station in the west yet they have power and influence over potentially millions of people and their idiocy, and it is idiocy writ large to send a mass of men to certain horrible death, is celebrated and reported across the Islamic world creating a spirals of ignorance leading to ever more violence.

Some problems are too big to fix.

263 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:31:57am

re: #254 Ford_Prefect

I may have to start visiting my local libraries and begin moving books around. Personally I think the Koran would fit in nicely in the Erotica department. Right between "Incest: Where to find the legal loopholes" and "KY: An in depth history".

Slippery slope, there.

264 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:35:29am

re: #261 rightside

{goddess}

The gubmint is paying for those appointments, right?

/

I am grateful to have a great benefits package.

I do NOT want the government anywhere near health care.

slight tangent: I get prickly when anyone says "Millions don't have health care" when they mean "Millions don't have health INSURANCE."

265 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:36:34am

re: #256 Ford_Prefect

Morning Erik. I think it is great that there is a group for us, a few actually, but very few people seem to be willing to identify themselves.

Go over and Tag me you should be able to work out who I am.

266 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:38:31am

re: #264 goddessoftheclassroom

I agree, and technically, should be "Many choose not to have health insurance"

267 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:39:06am

re: #266 rightside

I agree, and technically, should be "Many choose not to have health insurance"

Excellent point.

268 3 wood  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:42:54am

By the way, Senator Roland Burris has changed his story yet once again and now admits that he tried to raise cash for former Gov. Blago before he got appointed.

The problem now in Illinois law, is if he is brought back to the State Legislature and requestioned under oath about this, he can "remedy" the false statements and in essence, have a "Get Out of Jail Free" card.

The next step is for the State's Attorney of Sangamon County, where this happened to convene a grand jury to go after Burris for perjury. Burris should step aside but he wont. He is a cancer for the Democrats, but you will not see the Democrats do anything to clean up their own mess.

This is the Chicago Way.

And again, Obama waded through the same sewer and the MSM continues to pretend he did not.

269 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:43:03am

re: #256 Ford_Prefect

Just requested to be your friend

270 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:46:21am

bbl

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:46:58am

re: #266 rightside

I agree, and technically, should be "Many choose not to have health insurance"

My son, 23, healthy as a horse, has a catastrophic coverage policy. That's it. Had an office visit with a doc three years ago.

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:47:22am

re: #269 Erik The Red

Where's the LGF page?

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:48:29am

re: #268 3 wood

Mornin' Wood!

Ever feel like "The voice crying out in the wilderness"?

274 yochanan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:48:40am

re: #267 goddessoftheclassroom

Excellent point.

I DID NOT CHOSE NOT TO HAVE IT THEY CHOOSE NOT TO SELL IT TO ME

275 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:50:02am

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where's the LGF page?

Just do a search for Little Green Footballs. There are a few of them. The one I am in is the one with about 194 members.

276 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:51:07am

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where's the LGF page?

LGF Face Book Page

Not run by Charles and as far as I can tell Charles is not a member.

277 abaleh  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:51:37am

re: #262 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Ignorance is the enemy and the enemy is ignorant:

You almost want to weep when you read this. Let's say Hamas put out the call for 10 million "fighters" and 1 million showed up, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria all said our borders are open, you would have either 1 million starving troops because somehow you have to feed this mass. Heaven help them if they ever got into actual combat. The there is the small problem of what happens to masses of troops exposed in the open to air attack.

In 1944's Operation Cobra, Eisenhower called in the whole Air Force to bomb the east end of the Normandy peninsula. Just carpet bomb the place. Thousands of civilians died but so did 8-10 German Divisions, Patton rolled through the remainder so fast they never knew what hit them. Now imagine you are some dumbass who heard a speech in some mosque telling you it was your sacred duty to go kill Jews, sisnce the Koran doesn't even require you to ask you parents' permission, you can just go to war. You are probably not smart enough to notice that none of the sons of the folks who invited you to go to war are fighting by your side. The IAF will drop leaflets that maybe you can read telling you that if you go home, right now, you won't die but if you continue, it is certain death. Assuming you can't read, or don't care, you keep marching.

Now the sad part of the story. With no choice of letting this rabble destroy Israel or taking out this army, Israel will take out the army. They will probably try to blast the front of the mob to stampede the rest into retreat but even that might cause 10, 20, 40, 50,000 casualties (who knows and let's hope we never find out).

The Shaikhs who met near Ataturk airport could not run a gas station in the west yet they have power and influence over potentially millions of people and their idiocy, and it is idiocy writ large to send a mass of men to certain horrible death, is celebrated and reported across the Islamic world creating a spirals of ignorance leading to ever more violence.

Some problems are too big to fix.

I challenge Arab governments to “open their borders and allow the refugees to come.” It would be more humanitarian and would solve more problems than this stupid plan.

278 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:51:56am

re: #269 Erik The Red

Just requested to be your friend

Just confirmed.

279 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:52:32am

re: #276 Erik The Red

LGF Face Book Page

Not run by Charles and as far as I can tell Charles is not a member.

OK. That was a much more helpful answer than mine.

280 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:55:43am

Off to the errands--have a great day!

281 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:57:46am

re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm covered for life (or until congress pulls the plug on retirees) medically, and I pay a premium monthly for my family.

I have dental (Delta) coverage through my employer, but it is basic. I need to find something better, and I have the best they offer.

282 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:00:48am

re: #277 abaleh

That has as much chance as Charles joining VB...!

All the wealth they have, and they let them live in squalor. Hatred so dense of anyone is self-destructive.

283 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:11:50am

I'm going back some day.


Youtube Video
284 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:13:53am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Just had a look at the LGF Facebook page, and yes I'm in it - my kidlets made me join so I could see their photos instantly and follow their travels

I found Erik and littleoldlady :-)

285 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:14:52am

re: #284 aussiemagpie

Send me a friends request aussie.

286 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:15:30am

re: #268 3 wood

By the way, Senator Roland Burris has changed his story yet once again and now admits that he tried to raise cash for former Gov. Blago before he got appointed.

The problem now in Illinois law, is if he is brought back to the State Legislature and requestioned under oath about this, he can "remedy" the false statements and in essence, have a "Get Out of Jail Free" card.

The next step is for the State's Attorney of Sangamon County, where this happened to convene a grand jury to go after Burris for perjury. Burris should step aside but he wont. He is a cancer for the Democrats, but you will not see the Democrats do anything to clean up their own mess.

This is the Chicago Way.

And again, Obama waded through the same sewer and the MSM continues to pretend he did not.

Amen to that, Burris won't resign, so as to be a diversion away from Chief of Staff Rahmbo:
[Link: www.shaggybevo.com...]

287 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:15:49am

re: #285 Erik The Red

Send me a friends request aussie.

I think lol has lost her password or something. She was having problems logging onto FB.

288 soxfan4life  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:18:05am

re: #268 3 wood

By the way, Senator Roland Burris has changed his story yet once again and now admits that he tried to raise cash for former Gov. Blago before he got appointed.

The problem now in Illinois law, is if he is brought back to the State Legislature and requestioned under oath about this, he can "remedy" the false statements and in essence, have a "Get Out of Jail Free" card.

The next step is for the State's Attorney of Sangamon County, where this happened to convene a grand jury to go after Burris for perjury. Burris should step aside but he wont. He is a cancer for the Democrats, but you will not see the Democrats do anything to clean up their own mess.

This is the Chicago Way.

And again, Obama waded through the same sewer and the MSM continues to pretend he did not.

But the One is so much better than that
Sarc/puke

289 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:19:43am

re: #285 Erik The Red

OK! :-)

That is you then (the only one in South Africa)?

290 abaleh  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:22:16am

re: #282 rightside

That has as much chance as Charles joining VB...!

All the wealth they have, and they let them live in squalor. Hatred so dense of anyone is self-destructive.

When extremsit Muslims hold conventions in Airport hotels, sounds to me like their fight is nearly over. They're probably buying booze at the duty free shops as we speak.

291 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:22:18am

Morning, Lizards! Where's the spiked coffee?

292 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:22:51am

Morning Aussie

293 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:24:46am

Morning.

294 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:25:51am

re: #292 rightside

Morning Aussie

Hi, rightside!

I'm happy tonight - it's stopped raining! I was sure we'd soon have mould sprouting on our bodies..

295 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:26:38am
296 apachegunner  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:27:51am

re: #291 Wyatt Earp

Morning, Lizards! Where's the spiked coffee?

yes, it has been awhile since I passed around the morning bottle of Baileys for the lizard coffee cups. Line Up!

297 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:29:49am

re: #295 taxfreekiller

Haveing a bad day.

Got "Why"?

Pelosi
Reid
Schummer
Frank
Rangle
Wachman
Kerry
Kennedy


Got what it takes to vote them out?

Heool tfk, and I wish I could help you but we're busy here coping with our own brand of morons...

298 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:29:54am

How apropos

299 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:30:38am

Oops

PIMF, that was a HELLO tfk not the gobbledegook that appeared :-)

300 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:30:47am
301 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:31:55am

re: #299 aussiemagpie

Methinks I know who has already had the spiked coffee...

302 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:32:08am

re: #298 rightside

How apropos

Man! The next thing you'll be telling me is my Obama Commemorative $3 bills are fake too! Talk about raining on my parade! That was my retirement!

303 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:33:54am
304 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:34:27am

re: #284 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Just had a look at the LGF Facebook page, and yes I'm in it - my kidlets made me join so I could see their photos instantly and follow their travels

I found Erik and littleoldlady :-)

Ok, well, I should join?

305 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:35:22am

re: #296 apachegunner

yes, it has been awhile since I passed around the morning bottle of Baileys for the lizard coffee cups. Line Up!

Whoo hoo! Me, me me!

306 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:36:05am

re: #301 rightside

Methinks I know who has already had the spiked coffee...

LOL! No, just some chardy after a ROTTEN day at work :-)

Not enough it seems, the computer screen is not in triplicate yet :-)

307 Crux Australis  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:36:32am

I would join up but I would reveal personal information. I would have to delete it before joining.

308 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:37:11am

re: #284 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Just had a look at the LGF Facebook page, and yes I'm in it - my kidlets made me join so I could see their photos instantly and follow their travels

I found Erik and littleoldlady :-)

What is the LGF Facebook?

309 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:37:47am

re: #302 Desert Dog

Hey I happen to have 12 cases of the Obama commemorative Hawaiian Jerk Chicken marinade. You know the one with his smiling face on it? I was was planning on building my nest egg out of this stuff. I opened a bottle last night and it tastes like regular ol' barbecue sauce to me.../

310 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:38:28am

re: #309 Afrocity

Hey I happen to have 12 cases of the Obama commemorative Hawaiian Jerk Chicken marinade. You know the one with his smiling face on it? I was was planning on building my nest egg out of this stuff. I opened a bottle last night and it tastes like regular ol' barbecue sauce to me.../

Well, when I think of Obama, I immediately think "jerk."

311 apachegunner  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:38:49am

re: #307 Crux Australis

I would join up but I would reveal personal information. I would have to delete it before joining.


I just bet there are a lot of lovely lizardettes out there don'tcha think?

312 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:38:56am

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Ok, well, I should join?

{reine}

One question about the cookbook, I can't find the overseas postage charges on the payment site - I'm probably missing the obvious :-)

I thought that I might send money to an LGF friend, who could buy the books and then send them on to me

Of course, she might decide to deliver them in person!

313 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:39:03am

re: #197 Ledger1

OK, I need to know why anyone would oppose Net neutrality except the broadband companies. It keeps he internet a open playing field as it is today. Big companies want special treatment with faster connections then the small guys to deliver live video and the rest. Without the just passed bill, the broadband compainies could control the way you surf, how fast you can surf, favor bing compaines and more. It keeps the net free as it is today, seems a conservitive idea to me.

Link

314 Desert Dog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:40:20am

re: #309 Afrocity

Hey I happen to have 12 cases of the Obama commemorative Hawaiian Jerk Chicken marinade. You know the one with his smiling face on it? I was was planning on building my nest egg out of this stuff. I opened a bottle last night and it tastes like regular ol' barbecue sauce to me.../

Well, you can make a nice BBQ chicken or some babybacks and put them on your Obama Commemorative Plate and have a nice dinner.

315 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:40:32am

re: #307 Crux Australis

I would join up but I would reveal personal information. I would have to delete it before joining.

The way I understand it crux is only the people you choose to be friends with can see your profile not the whole group. Don't reveal you nic on the site. I have hooked up with Blue and Ford today. The group is relatively quiet. It could use some regular LGF commentators over there.

316 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:40:53am

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Ok, well, I should join?

And yes, why not? More fun, and more innernet friends :-)

Any deeply personal stuff doesn't need to be posted (I can't understand why some people would post stuff that can get them into trouble)

317 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:42:34am

re: #316 aussiemagpie

Hey aussie still waiting for your friend request. You found me over there(not to hard) I don't know who you are otherwise I would request you.

318 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:42:47am

re: #312 aussiemagpie

{reine}

One question about the cookbook, I can't find the overseas postage charges on the payment site - I'm probably missing the obvious :-)

I thought that I might send money to an LGF friend, who could buy the books and then send them on to me

Of course, she might decide to deliver them in person!

I don't know what to say.
Somebody ordered it and had it shipped to Germany, they said. So it can be shipped overseas.

It could be that the overseas postage isn't different.

Try to order with one of the options shown and see what happens!

319 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:43:16am

re: #307 Crux Australis

I would join up but I would reveal personal information. I would have to delete it before joining.

Hi Crux! You have complete control of what info you post...just use it as I do - see photos, and keep in touch with people :-)

320 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:44:23am

re: #309 Afrocity

Hey I happen to have 12 cases of the Obama commemorative Hawaiian Jerk Chicken marinade. You know the one with his smiling face on it? I was was planning on building my nest egg out of this stuff. I opened a bottle last night and it tastes like regular ol' barbecue sauce to me.../

I've been frantically searching potato chip bags looking for the E-bay Obambi chip.
I've gained 10 lbs.

321 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:45:14am

re: #312 aussiemagpie

{reine}

One question about the cookbook, I can't find the overseas postage charges on the payment site - I'm probably missing the obvious :-)

I thought that I might send money to an LGF friend, who could buy the books and then send them on to me

Of course, she might decide to deliver them in person!

just sent who I think you are a "friends" request.

322 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:45:28am

re: #308 Desert Dog

What is the LGF Facebook?

Hi, just look upthread! And find more friends :-)

323 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:47:04am

re: #309 Afrocity

Hey I happen to have 12 cases of the Obama commemorative Hawaiian Jerk Chicken marinade. You know the one with his smiling face on it? I was was planning on building my nest egg out of this stuff. I opened a bottle last night and it tastes like regular ol' barbecue sauce to me.../

You have to wash it down with the Obama Kool Aid in order to truly appreciate the intricacies of the flavor.

324 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:47:19am

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Ok, well, I should join?

I see you reine :) just sent you a friends request.

325 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:47:58am

re: #323 Ford_Prefect

You have to wash it down with the Obama Kool Aid in order to truly appreciate the intricacies of the flavor.

Oh Yeaaahhh!

326 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:48:49am

re: #321 reine.de.tout

just sent who I think you are a "friends" request.

I must say that is no surprise that females lizards are truly beautiful women.

327 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:50:43am

re: #326 Ford_Prefect

Aren't you sweet?
:-)

328 yochanan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:50:59am

OFF TO THE SALT MINES

329 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:51:08am

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Thanks :)

330 Crux Australis  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:51:24am

Talking of Facebook's usefulness. I received friend requests today from two people I used to go to school with from 1983 to 1986. Amazing!

Great to catch up after all these years.

331 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:51:29am

Change you can believe in.

332 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:51:46am

I am trying to work out which one is aussie.

333 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:53:06am

re: #314 Desert Dog

Well, you can make a nice BBQ chicken or some babybacks and put them on your Obama Commemorative Plate and have a nice dinner.

...and don't forget to drink your malt liquor from your commemorative Obama champagne flute glasses. If you put an ice cube in them Obama's suit will disappear and it will reveal his gorgeous Hawaiian tanned ripped body, guaranteed to make any woman's thong melt thus giving up all of her conservative inhibitions...

As an added bonus, each glass is rimmed in 24K gold plate with Obama's senate voting record:

PresentPresentPresentPresentPresentPresentPresentPresentPresentPresent

334 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:53:37am

re: #331 rightside

Change you can believe in.

Hope. Change. Lies.

335 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:53:59am

re: #317 Erik The Red

Hey aussie still waiting for your friend request. You found me over there(not to hard) I don't know who you are otherwise I would request you.

Well, the poor bloke in the rowboat is now crossing the Indian Ocean with my request.....

336 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:54:54am

re: #326 Ford_Prefect

I must say that is no surprise that females lizards are truly beautiful women.

You have that right Ford

337 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:55:59am

re: #335 aussiemagpie

Well, the poor bloke in the rowboat is now crossing the Indian Ocean with my request.....

I don't think he is going to make it.

338 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:58:34am

re: #333 Afrocity


Fans you with the obamatowel, to cool your swooning.

339 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:58:51am

Rancher cleared in rights case

A federal jury in Tucson ruled Tuesday that an Arizona rancher did not violate the civil rights of 16 Mexican nationals he stopped after they sneaked illegally into the United States, but awarded $78,000 in actual and punitive damages on claims of assault and the infliction of emotional distress.

Mr. Barnett's attorney, David T. Hardy of Tucson, described the decision as an "80 percent victory," adding that he wished he and his client "would have gotten the other 20 percent." But he said he would appeal the decision, citing what he called "solid grounds." He also said U.S. District Judge John M. Roll, who heard the case, was "scrupulously fair" during the trial.


One of the 16 illegal immigrants allowed to bring the lawsuit is a convicted felon deported from the U.S. after a 1993 arrest on federal drug charges, court records show. Gerardo Gonzalez, 38, was convicted in September 1993 of possession of a controlled substance for sale and ordered deported to his home country.

In a March 2007 deposition, Border Patrol agent Manuel Rodriquez said agents ran a records check of those detained on the Barnett ranch in the 2004 incident and found that other members of the party had made prior attempts at illegal entry.

They need to lose that $78,000. People can't/won't stop this shit if it costs them so much.

340 Beach Lover  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:59:38am

Morning Lizards.
this is a good article from Thomas Sowell. He addresses the "need for speed" with the so called stimulus.
FTA

There is far more to fear from this administration than its amateurism in governing. The urgency with which it has rushed through a monumental spending bill, whose actual spending will not be completed even after 2010, ought to set off alarm bells among those who are not in thrall to the euphoria of Obama’s presidency.

The urgency was real, even if the reason given was phony. President Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, let slip a valuable clue when he said that a crisis should not go to waste, that a crisis is an opportunity to do things that you could not do otherwise.

Think about the utter cynicism of that. During a crisis, a panicked public will let you get away with things you couldn’t get away with otherwise

341 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:00:48am

re: #326 Ford_Prefect

I must say that is no surprise that females lizards are truly beautiful women.

Naturally! What did you expect? :-)

I was going to post the Who Are You video, but the message on my screen says it can't be played outside the US?

So Who Are You? On Facebook :-)

342 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:01:46am

re: #340 Beach Lover

Morning Lizards.
this is a good article from Thomas Sowell. He addresses the "need for speed" with the so called stimulus.
FTA

Oh what, you expect people to read something before they sign/vote for it?

///

343 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:05:03am

re: #334 Wyatt Earp

Hope. Change. Lies.

You are working on the assumption that the present administration wants to change everything that GW did. I think he agrees with some policies, but wants to change others. You'd have to be a far left moon bat to think GW got everything wrong.

344 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:05:07am

re: #341 aussiemagpie

Thanks aussie: )

345 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:05:39am

I thought the democrats were going to drain the swamp?

CORRUPTION: Accused fraudster gave big to DEMOCRATS.

346 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:06:20am

re: #343 avanti

You are working on the assumption that the present administration wants to change everything that GW did. I think he agrees with some policies, but wants to change others. You'd have to be a far left moon bat to think GW got everything wrong.

Paging Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid . . .

347 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:07:07am

re: #341 aussiemagpie

Naturally! What did you expect? :-)

I was going to post the Who Are You video, but the message on my screen says it can't be played outside the US?

So Who Are You? On Facebook :-)

Check the comments. About the 7th one down.

348 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:07:10am

re: #330 Crux Australis

Talking of Facebook's usefulness. I received friend requests today from two people I used to go to school with from 1983 to 1986. Amazing!

Great to catch up after all these years.

I'm in touch with an schoolfriend, from 19 *cough* 8 :-)

349 thefallingman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:07:31am

re: #3 gmsc

Quiz: mingle2.com...]>How many people have you slept with?


I read a story that Mingle2 had declared my hometown the most promiscuous in the US.

350 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:07:36am

re: #340 Beach Lover

President Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, let slip a valuable clue when he said that a crisis should not go to waste, that a crisis is an opportunity to do things that you could not do otherwise.

pretty much.

351 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:08:03am

re: #348 aussiemagpie

I'm in touch with an schoolfriend, from 19 *cough* 8 :-)

You look to young to have finished schoolin 19 08

352 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:08:06am

re: #332 Erik The Red

I am trying to work out which one is aussie.

I have a glass in my hand of course :-)

353 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:08:12am

re: #342 Wyatt Earp

Oh what, you expect people to read something before they sign/vote for it?

///

See my number 248.

354 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:09:24am

re: #353 Ford_Prefect

See my number 248.

Fan-tastic!

355 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:10:37am

re: #349 thefallingman

Where is this?

356 Beach Lover  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:10:57am

anyone see Mitt on F&F this morning? He is selling 2 of his 3 houses. Maybe getting "lean" for a run in 2010? The man makes alot of sense. I hope he keeps in the forefront in the media. He makes the people in this administration look like bumbling idiots.
(course, they don't need him...they're doing a great job all on their own.)

357 Miss Trixie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:11:59am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Clouds have rolled into the Valley and we'll be having a wee bit of sneaux later. And more tomorrow. And the next day ... *sigh*

Ayatollah

Your posts are ALWAYS spot on but this struck me deeply:

Now the sad part of the story. With no choice of letting this rabble destroy Israel or taking out this army, Israel will take out the army. They will probably try to blast the front of the mob to stampede the rest into retreat but even that might cause 10, 20, 40, 50,000 casualties (who knows and let's hope we never find out).

The Shaikhs who met near Ataturk airport could not run a gas station in the west yet they have power and influence over potentially millions of people and their idiocy, and it is idiocy writ large to send a mass of men to certain horrible death, is celebrated and reported across the Islamic world creating a spirals of ignorance leading to ever more violence.

Once again, the common muslim is used as a scapegoat in their revved-up Jew-hatred and the only outcome is their death. Just another means to an end by these Arab "leaders/shieks" that will heap world blame and blood libel on Israel - just as they have planned. Their peeps are expendable when there's an opportunity to kill Jews and further their goal of destroying Israel with a brain-washed and empathetic world bawling into their multi-culti crying towels.

358 thefallingman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:12:21am

re: #355 rightside
Mobile, AL

359 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:13:40am

Here's something the mainstream media (the ministry of truth) and Hollywood iditos do not want you to read:

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.

360 freetoken  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:14:48am

re: #359 FrogMarch

Just more mis-direction by DailyTech.

361 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:15:07am

re: #359 FrogMarch

Here's something the mainstream media (the ministry of truth) and Hollywood iditos do not want you to read:

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.

Sweet! More ice for our drinks!

362 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:15:21am

re: #346 Wyatt Earp

Paging Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid . . .

Well, you got me there. If Obama listened to them, everything GW did, both good and bad would be changed.He can afford to piss off both the far left and right as long as he holds the middle.

363 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:15:57am

re: #340 Beach Lover

Morning Lizards.
this is a good article from Thomas Sowell. He addresses the "need for speed" with the so called stimulus.
FTA

That was a great column - I saw it in my local paper yesterday.

364 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:15:59am

re: #358 thefallingman
Ahh. Been there, done that!

365 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:16:18am

Okay so i joined Facebook. My name is Afrocity Brown. I uploaded a Pic. So Now what?

366 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:16:40am

re: #362 avanti

Well, you got me there. If Obama listened to them, everything GW did, both good and bad would be changed.He can afford to piss off both the far left and right as long as he holds the middle.

OK, where is this middle ground that he is holding?

367 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:18:06am

Oh, my God, just awful.

Body of missing Australian boy found in crocodile's stomach

Jeremy Doble had been playing with his seven-year-old brother, Ryan, and their dog behind the family home in a flooded mangrove swamp when he disappeared on February 8.

368 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:18:29am

re: #365 Afrocity

Okay so i joined Facebook. My name is Afrocity Brown. I uploaded a Pic. So Now what?

Go find some friends. I really is fun.

369 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:19:09am

re: #368 Erik The Red

Go find some friends. I really is fun.


It
PIMF

370 thefallingman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:19:21am

re: #364 rightside
That, plus the Carnival season, is probably one of the reasons.

371 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:19:45am

re: #357 Miss Trixie

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Clouds have rolled into the Valley and we'll be having a wee bit of sneaux later. And more tomorrow. And the next day ... *sigh*

Ayatollah

Your posts are ALWAYS spot on but this struck me deeply:


Once again, the common muslim is used as a scapegoat in their revved-up Jew-hatred and the only outcome is their death. Just another means to an end by these Arab "leaders/shieks" that will heap world blame and blood libel on Israel - just as they have planned. Their peeps are expendable when there's an opportunity to kill Jews and further their goal of destroying Israel with a brain-washed and empathetic world bawling into their multi-culti crying towels.

Poetry!

372 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:20:32am

re: #333 Afrocity

...and don't forget to drink your malt liquor from your commemorative Obama champagne flute glasses. If you put an ice cube in them Obama's suit will disappear and it will reveal his gorgeous Hawaiian tanned ripped body, guaranteed to make any woman's thong melt thus giving up all of her conservative inhibitions...

As an added bonus, each glass is rimmed in 24K gold plate with Obama's senate voting record:

PresentPresentPresentPresentPresentPresentPresentP resentPresentPresent

Turns out the Obama Commemorative coins are simply stickers glued to regular coins. Metaphor alert!

You may have seen the commercial where Montel Williams hawks some goofy collectible coins with President Obama's face IN FULL COLOR OMG. If you were planning on ordering some, though, watch this video from KATU 2 TV in Portland, Oregon first.* A father and daughter bought the coins and discovered that they're just regular money with color stickers applied. One of the news anchors even comments that she could see the face on the coin through the sticker when she looked at it from the side.
373 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:20:41am

re: #352 aussiemagpie

I have a glass in my hand of course :-)

Confirmed you. Wow, I now have friends in Australia and South Africa. People are going to think I am a world traveler.

374 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:20:53am

re: #370 thefallingman


We commisioned our first ship there. And they ladies are rather friendly!

375 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:20:59am

Again, I thought the democrats were going to drain the swamp.
I guess by drain they really meant promote to the highest levels of government.

Rahm Emanuel on Freddie Mac board during fraud years.

376 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:21:25am

re: #351 Erik The Red

You look to young to have finished schoolin 19 08

Thank you and you have earned those brownie points tonight :-)

377 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:22:20am

re: #376 aussiemagpie

Thank you and you have earned those brownie points tonight :-)

Brownies? You have brownies? With or without nuts?

378 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:22:29am
379 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:22:39am

re: #373 Ford_Prefect

Confirmed you. Wow, I now have friends in Australia and South Africa. People are going to think I am a world traveler.

We're quite the cosmopolitan folks, aren't we?

380 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:23:48am

Later Lizards going home via the pub. We should try and make the LGF Face Book page more interesting. LGF deserves it.

381 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:24:38am

re: #375 FrogMarch

Again, I thought the democrats were going to drain the swamp.
I guess by drain they really meant promote to the highest levels of government.

Rahm Emanuel on Freddie Mac board during fraud years.

Move along . . . nothing to see here.

382 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:25:09am

re: #368 Erik The Red

I thought there was an LGF group, otherwise I have no use for it.

383 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:25:10am

re: #366 Ford_Prefect

OK, where is this middle ground that he is holding?

Keeping much of GW's policies on terrorists, including rendition. Keeping Gates on at defense, increasing troop levels in Afghanistan while going slow on troop withdrawals from Iraq. "Forgetting" about the gays in the military issue for now and so on. All of which ticked off the far left.

384 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:25:47am

And now we have the first president in history giving press conferences and answering questions using a teleprompter.


While people who watched Obama’s first national press conference noticed his use of a teleprompter to give his initial presentation as well as in answering questions, the media and late night joke writers completely ignored it.

The American Spectator notes that in many events:
…down to many of the questions and the answers to those questions … [t]eleprompter screens at the events scrolled not only his opening remarks, but also statistics and information he could use to answer questions.

Apparently, Obama is looking to install a computer screen into the podium so that, according to one Obama advisor, ”It would make it easier for the comms guys to pass along information without being obvious about it.” [emphasis added] Obama’s aids would put together answers to a large number of possible questions so as soon as a reporter asks a particular question the computer screen would flash talking points to remind Obama how he’s supposed to respond to that question.

385 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:26:01am

re: #300 taxfreekiller

2/3's cup coffee
1 jigger Crown
1 jigger kulaha
1 squirt of cool whip

1 straw

pick a bad pony for the day
loose rein the day

Best advice I've seen here in a while.

386 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:26:21am

re: #382 Afrocity

I thought there was an LGF group, otherwise I have no use for it.

Look Here LGF Face Book Group

387 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:26:31am

re: #375 FrogMarch

Again, I thought the democrats were going to drain the swamp.
I guess by drain they really meant promote to the highest levels of government.

Rahm Emanuel on Freddie Mac board during fraud years.

You cannot make this stuff up.

388 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:26:34am

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (39 degrees going up to 50 degrees) but rainy Charlotte - VERY heavy rain!
How is everyone doing this morning?

389 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:26:40am

re: #380 Erik The Red

Later Lizards going home via the pub. We should try and make the LGF Face Book page more interesting. LGF deserves it.

It is more interesting every time one of us joins.

Later, Erik.

390 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:26:47am

re: #373 Ford_Prefect

Confirmed you. Wow, I now have friends in Australia and South Africa. People are going to think I am a world traveler.

We're all world citizens now!

Isn't that what your Dear leader wants ? :-)

391 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:27:00am

re: #388 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (39 degrees going up to 50 degrees) but rainy Charlotte - VERY heavy rain!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Morning, Real!

392 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:28:24am

re: #375 FrogMarch

Again, I thought the democrats were going to drain the swamp.
I guess by drain they really meant promote to the highest levels of government.

Rahm Emanuel on Freddie Mac board during fraud years.

USA Today - that right wing hate-site - had an expose a couple years back about how Pelosi and Emanuel scam the system to avoid paying property tax to their community/state.

These Democrats are real scum.

393 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:28:35am

re: #386 Erik The Red

okay I joined

394 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:29:02am

re: #339 SasquatchOnSteroids

They need to lose that $78,000. People can't/won't stop this shit if it costs them so much.

From what I understand, it is the American rancher who now owes $78,000 to the criminals that he stopped. The illegals will either get the money or not, but they unfortunately can't lose anything.

395 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:29:14am

re: #333 Afrocity

...and don't forget to drink your malt liquor from your commemorative Obama champagne flute glasses. If you put an ice cube in them Obama's suit will disappear and it will reveal his gorgeous Hawaiian tanned ripped body, guaranteed to make any woman's thong melt thus giving up all of her conservative inhibitions...

As an added bonus, each glass is rimmed in 24K gold plate with Obama's senate voting record:

PresentPresentPresentPresentPresentPresentPresentP resentPresentPresent

I almost peed all over myself reading this I was/am laughing so hard.

396 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:29:54am

Apparently scare tactics are not reserved for the left wing neofacist idiots, the extreme right wing neofacist idiots have their hands it it too.

397 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:30:19am

re: #382 Afrocity

I thought there was an LGF group, otherwise I have no use for it.

Here it is.

398 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:30:43am

re: #383 avanti

Keeping much of GW's policies on terrorists, including rendition. Keeping Gates on at defense, increasing troop levels in Afghanistan while going slow on troop withdrawals from Iraq. "Forgetting" about the gays in the military issue for now and so on. All of which ticked off the far left.

I am not convinced yet that those are going to be permanent situations. The man is not a complete idiot and he knew that he had other things he wanted to push through first. Once the socialization of America is furthered I think he will turn his sights on other things. Make no mistake, the man is a socialist, not e centrist.

399 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:30:46am

re: #377 Ford_Prefect

Brownies? You have brownies? With or without nuts?

With, so I hope you don't have nut allergies.....

400 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:31:16am

re: #388 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (39 degrees going up to 50 degrees) but rainy Charlotte - VERY heavy rain!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Good real, I'm waiting for my $279 projector bulb to arrive so I can take it to Mr DT who was in the middle of an important presentation yesterday with some military folks when POOF- the projector bulb blew.

It's supposed to be here by 10am. He's winging it this morning until I get there.

401 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:31:20am

re: #388 realwest

Morning, Real.

402 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:31:37am

re: #392 DeafDog

USA Today - that right wing hate-site - had an expose a couple years back about how Pelosi and Emanuel scam the system to avoid paying property tax to their community/state.

These Democrats are real scum.

The corrupt-o-crats don't have to pay their fair share. They are too busy thinking up new ways to straddle the middle class and the working class with creative tax hikes.

403 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:31:49am

re: #399 aussiemagpie

With, so I hope you don't have nut allergies.....

I'm allergic to liberals. Does that count?

404 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:31:50am

re: #391 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt! How are you doing this morning?

405 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:32:04am

re: #397 reine.de.tout

I joined...

406 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:32:15am

re: #384 DistantThunder

We've elected a middle-schooler who needs crib notes!

407 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:32:28am

re: #404 realwest

Howdy Wyatt! How are you doing this morning?


I could lie and say great, or tell the truth and say not so much. :)

408 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:32:28am

re: #398 Ford_Prefect

I am not convinced yet that those are going to be permanent situations. The man is not a complete idiot and he knew that he had other things he wanted to push through first. Once the socialization of America is furthered I think he will turn his sights on other things. Make no mistake, the man is a socialist, not e centristfucking Commie.

Slight tweak.

409 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:33:12am

re: #398 Ford_Prefect

I am not convinced yet that those are going to be permanent situations. The man is not a complete idiot and he knew that he had other things he wanted to push through first. Once the socialization of America is furthered I think he will turn his sights on other things. Make no mistake, the man is a socialist, not e centrist.

David Brooks, painted a very, very depressing and grim picture of how things will turn out with all this debt in the next 4 years. Remember he was one of the conservatives that Obama had called personally, and who then raved about Obama's intellect and understanding of the issues.

He seems to have major buyers remorse. And somehow that is very validating.

410 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:34:25am

re: #400 DistantThunder
Morning to you, too, DT! Wow-how far away from you is Mr. DT, and how long until the bulb gets to you?
Sure hope he can shoot the breeze with 'em long enough!

411 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:35:06am

re: #393 Afrocity

okay I joined

Welcome!

412 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:35:24am

re: #401 Ford_Prefect
Good morning Ford_Prefect! How are you doing today?

413 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:35:46am

re: #395 MandyManners

I almost peed all over myself reading this I was/am laughing so hard.

Cleanup in aisle 395!

414 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:35:53am

Another police officer shot dead in Philly. 25 years old, wife 5 months pregnant with their first child. Father a retired cop, and brother a cop.

This is the 7th police officer killed in Philly since 2006. Philly is a small fraction the size of NYC.

415 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:35:55am
"... don’t ask for His help because he might not be there."

-- Pat Robertson, as he picked up his statuette of God and stomped off the playground

Robertson knows God's mind better than God himself?

It's clear that Robertson doesn't worship the God of the Old Testament.
/and certainly not that of the New

416 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:36:09am

Have a nice day, Lizards.

[Link: noolmusic.com...]

417 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:36:50am

re: #407 Wyatt Earp
Ah, not so great cause of your friends on the force who've been killed or as in I-got-the-damn-flu not so great?!

418 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:36:59am

re: #410 realwest

Morning to you, too, DT! Wow-how far away from you is Mr. DT, and how long until the bulb gets to you?
Sure hope he can shoot the breeze with 'em long enough!

Just down the road about 15 minutes. Same thing happened when he was teaching a class at Ft. Huachuca (sp?). Middle of nowhere and his bulb blew. I came to the rescue that time too.

419 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:37:04am

re: #399 aussiemagpie

With, so I hope you don't have nut allergies.....

Good! I love nuts!

Wait...that didn't sound right.

420 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:37:08am

Good morning all.

421 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:37:36am

re: #388 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (39 degrees going up to 50 degrees) but rainy Charlotte - VERY heavy rain!
How is everyone doing this morning?

*Smooch* {darls}, it's stopped raining here now you're copping it all it seems!

422 Miss Trixie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:37:39am

bloodnok

*blush*

423 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:38:08am

re: #398 Ford_Prefect

I am not convinced yet that those are going to be permanent situations. The man is not a complete idiot and he knew that he had other things he wanted to push through first. Once the socialization of America is furthered I think he will turn his sights on other things. Make no mistake, the man is a socialist, not e centrist.

I agree that he'll move slowly on some issues, but they will come back later if he can spare the political capital. As to the socialist label, I don't know who's where anymore, with Graham and others talking about nationalizing banks.

Banks.

424 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:38:14am

re: #417 realwest

Ah, not so great cause of your friends on the force who've been killed or as in I-got-the-damn-flu not so great?!

Unforutnately, both. Sick as a dog today. Add in the fact that a judge downstairs removed John's portrait because it was a "distraction," and you have one unhappy pappy.

425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:38:28am

Picked up my taxes this morning... sending it off today... gonna get some serious coin back. Sure hope they don't decide to hold off sending it back for a while.

426 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:38:48am

re: #419 Ford_Prefect

Talk to the ShamWow guy, you'll love his nuts.

427 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:38:52am

re: #419 Ford_Prefect

Good! I love nuts!

Wait...that didn't sound right.

"You're gonna love my nuts." - Vince, the ShamWow/SlapChop Guy

428 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:38:59am

re: #412 realwest

Good morning Ford_Prefect! How are you doing today?

I am well. At work, though. I am trying to get some things done, but work keeps getting in the way.

429 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:39:03am

re: #333 Afrocity

Too funny!

430 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:39:08am

re: #426 rightside

Talk to the ShamWow guy, you'll love his nuts.

GMTA!

431 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:39:28am

re: #413 Ford_Prefect

LOL!

(Saint Bernard with keg barrel collar comes over to clean up spot removes keg and drinks from it, sprays spot with sanitizer and leaves)

432 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:39:51am

re: #414 DistantThunder
Ah shit. Is that officer the same as the one Wyatt told us about just a couple of days ago - when was he shot and did they kill or apprehend his killer?

433 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:40:00am

re: #415 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Robertson knows God's mind better than God himself?

It's clear that Robertson doesn't worship the God of the Old Testament.
/and certainly not that of the New

Is it any wonder these preacher make so many mistakes themselves when they have such a warped view of God. If God was simply the punisher in chief, people would not really have free agency to decide to do right or wrong - if the wrong was always punished in such a big overt way.

Just like the Taliban did not inspire genuine morality and goodness among the people. It was all based on harsh external consequences.

434 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:40:42am

re: #432 realwest

Ah shit. Is that officer the same as the one Wyatt told us about just a couple of days ago - when was he shot and did they kill or apprehend his killer?

Same one. Killer is alive and well in the hospital.

435 Miss Trixie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:40:47am

Ford

Brownies? You have brownies? With or without nuts?

Ask the ShamWow guy.

:D

436 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:41:07am

re: #403 Wyatt Earp

I'm allergic to liberals. Does that count?

We are as one in that respect I reckon...

If it was a physical thing, we'd all be spotty :-)

437 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:41:18am

God throws a bus under the bus?

Pat?

Bueller?

Anyone?

////

438 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:41:24am

re: #424 Wyatt Earp

Unforutnately, both. Sick as a dog today. Add in the fact that a judge downstairs removed John's portrait because it was a "distraction," and you have one unhappy pappy.

That was nasty, and very insensitive and should not have been the judge's call alone, but an agreement if it needed to be done at all for a fair hearing.

439 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:41:26am

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone this fine day?
Coffee is on..help yourself.

440 freetoken  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:41:28am

re: #423 avanti

Re: banks.... sometimes when one is painted into a corner the options are just limited so much that there isn't much room for ideology.

441 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:41:40am

re: #418 DistantThunder
Fort Huachuca? Wow, my Dad lived there as a boy for about 7 or 8 years - went to high school in Tombstone!
Glad Mr. DT is close enough - now if only the darned bulb would get to you!

442 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:41:42am

re: #426 rightside

Talk to the ShamWow guy, you'll love his nuts.

re: #427 Wyatt Earp

"You're gonna love my nuts." - Vince, the ShamWow/SlapChop Guy

Not touching those...I mean that.

443 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:42:18am

re: #431 Afrocity

LOL!

(Saint Bernard with keg barrel collar comes over to clean up spot removes keg and drinks from it, sprays spot with sanitizer and leaves)

Send me the one with the martini kit that used to show up in the Looney Tunes. It's after noon somewhere.

444 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:42:34am

re: #441 realwest

Fort Huachuca? Wow, my Dad lived there as a boy for about 7 or 8 years - went to high school in Tombstone!
Glad Mr. DT is close enough - now if only the darned bulb would get to you!

They have 18 more minutes to meet their own deadline - or I am asking for a refund for the express charge.

445 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:42:41am

re: #438 DistantThunder

That was nasty, and very insensitive and should not have been the judge's call alone, but an agreement if it needed to be done at all for a fair hearing.

We were all downstairs today to see what the new judge would do. John's portait was untouched. Smart move by the judge.

446 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:42:47am

re: #439 HoosierHoops


Morning HH

447 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:42:55am

re: #439 HoosierHoops

Morning Hoosier. I am more of an herbal tea girl.

448 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:43:29am

re: #442 Ford_Prefect


You'd be nuts not to.

449 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:43:48am

re: #419 Ford_Prefect

Good! I love nuts!

Wait...that didn't sound right.

Yes it did! What's wrong with nuts I say? :-)

450 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:44:28am
451 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:44:29am

re: #421 aussiemagpie
Hey there {Maggie} (somehow {Pie} doesn't seem right! Although I DO love pie!). *Smooches* back to you and frankly I'd like to send our rain to wherever the hell Obama is today. And the next day and the next day and..........well y'all get my point!
Are those horrific fires all out now or are y'all still fighting 'em?

452 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:44:32am

re: #445 Wyatt Earp

We were all downstairs today to see what the new judge would do. John's portait was untouched. Smart move by the judge.

I'm so sad that the perp lived. I was yelling at the radio after I heard nutter say that we have to get guns off the street. My children told me to Calm down.....I was driving.

453 beblebrox  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:44:35am

Good Morning!

OK, I broke down and joined.

454 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:44:35am

re: #446 rightside

Morning HH


Good Morning Rightside..Hope you are doing well...

455 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:44:40am

re: #449 aussiemagpie

Yes it did! What's wrong with nuts I say? :-)

I am allergic to nuts. The nut posts never seem to go away.

456 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:45:24am

re: #447 Afrocity

Morning Hoosier. I am more of an herbal tea girl.

Morning.. I have a box of japanese green tea here at my desk..
I'll brew you a cup.

457 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:45:24am

re: #452 DistantThunder

I'm so sad that the perp lived. I was yelling at the radio after I heard nutter say that we have to get guns off the street. My children told me to Calm down.....I was driving.

Well, we shot him five times. If we had our .45s already, he would be dead.

458 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:45:54am

re: #455 Afrocity

I am allergic to nuts. The nut posts never seem to go away.

Heh, heh, "nuts."

459 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:45:58am

re: #439 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone this fine day?
Coffee is on..help yourself.

Morning HH.

460 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:46:29am

re: #440 freetoken

Re: banks.... sometimes when one is painted into a corner the options are just limited so much that there isn't much room for ideology.

But isn't that the excuse we've been using since GW started the bail outs ? It seems like we are being told a little bit of temporary socialism is the only cure available and that concerns me.

461 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:46:30am

re: #422 {Miss Trixie}
Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches* to you along with a good morning!
Hey, uh, what did bloodnok say that has ya blushing? Hmmm?

462 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:46:44am

re: #457 Wyatt Earp

Well, we shot him five times. If we had our .45s already, he would be dead.

Yeah, I wondered about why the guy didn't die. Were they aiming for the knees or something? I heard he had a bullet proof vest. Where was the cop shot?

463 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:47:15am

re: #457 Wyatt Earp

Well, we shot him five times. If we had our .45s already, he would be dead.

When is the service?

464 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:47:50am

re: #459 Ford_Prefect

Morning HH.

Hi Ford..Good to see you...
whoops..BRB

465 freetoken  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:47:52am

More on the banking situation and ideology -

Just like with the S&L mess of the late 1980's, when the US gov't created the Resolution Trust Corp to manage the assets received from the S&L failures, so too will one find these days that even die-hard free-market believers accepting the notion that the US gov't ought to take over illiquid banks. The possible downside to purity in dogma (e.g., not having the govt own anything) is too great to accept.

The questions are: if, when, and how the gov't will divest itself of the bank remains once the bad debt fades away.

466 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:48:10am

re: #454 HoosierHoops

I'm great, but having to attend training on things we can't use.

467 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:48:13am

UPS truck! - see you folks later. Is private enterprise great or what?

468 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:48:18am

re: #464 HoosierHoops

Hi Ford..Good to see you...
whoops..BRB

What did I say?

469 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:48:25am

re: #460 avanti

But isn't that the excuse we've been using since GW started the bail outs ? It seems like we are being told a little bit of temporary socialism is the only cure available and that concerns me.

It's fascism. We're not surrendering our property to the state a la socialism. This is control of private property via government regulations and directives. That's fascism.

470 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:48:31am

re: #456 HoosierHoops

Morning.. I have a box of japanese green tea here at my desk..
I'll brew you a cup.

The tea ceremony is so calming.

And you look darling in that kimono.

471 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:49:25am

re: #463 HoosierHoops

When is the service?

Viewing is tomorrow night. Funeral is Friday morning.

472 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:49:43am

re: #424 Wyatt Earp
Gee Wyatt, sorry to hear about your being physically ill, take lots of C, D and Zinc! It will help you feel better.

And wtf do you mean a judge ordered his photo taken down? Who the hell complained about it being up in the first place? Y'all ought to have the head of your Fraternal Order of Detectives or whomever write to that judge and tell him to call a liberal Leftist if he ever needs help.
That's outrageous - seriously Wyatt, who the hell complained about it?

473 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:49:55am

BUSHITLER!....comes back to bite the droolers in the ass...this is a good one


[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

474 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:50:13am

I got this in an email:

White House Fence Repair

Three contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the White House in DC:

One is from IL, another is from Tennessee and the third, is from Florida All three go with a White House official to examine the fence.

The Florida contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring, then works some figures with a pencil. "Well," he says, "I figure the job will run about $900: $400 for materials, $400 for my crew and $100 profit for me."

The Tennessee contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then says, "I can do this job for $700: $300 for materials, $300 for my crew and $100 profit for me."

The IL contractor doesn't measure or figure, but leans over to the White House official and whispers, "$2,700."

The official, incredulous, says, "You didn't even measure like the other guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?"

The IL contractor whispers back, "$1000 for me, $1000 for you, and we hire the guy from Tennessee to fix the fence."

"Done!” replies the government official.

And that, my friends, is how government contracting works!


Chicago politics comes to DC.

475 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:50:17am

re: #462 DistantThunder

Yeah, I wondered about why the guy didn't die. Were they aiming for the knees or something? I heard he had a bullet proof vest. Where was the cop shot?

John was shot between the panels of his vest when he turned away from the gunfire. The vest stopped another round.

476 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:50:59am

Obama visits Canada
Soft-talking President hints he'd like Ottawa to extend Afghan mission, refuses to single out Alberta oil and dampens trade concerns

477 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:51:02am

Another horror critter story from OZ

Brush turkeys now targeting chickens.....

AMOROUS brush turkeys are raping chickens as their numbers rise in Brisbane and they look for a mate, a leading Queensland biologist says.

Griffith University Associate Prof Darryl Jones said the once-rare native brush turkey could go the way of the ibis and become a permanent fixture of the suburban environment.

But their increase in numbers might be bad news for other birds, Prof Jones, as they risked being attacked by the amorous turkeys.

"Bluntly, that's a form of rape," he said.

"Especially black chickens they seem to think 'oh well, these look close enough' and they'll mate with them."

Good heavens....

478 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:51:03am

re: #428 Ford_Prefect
ROFL! Well I'm glad you're feeling well and look at it this way, at least you've got a job to get in the way of your posting out here.

479 sffilk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:51:19am

Based on the original quote above, Robertson got it wrong.

480 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:52:20am

re: #475 Wyatt Earp

John was shot between the panels of his vest when he turned away from the gunfire. The vest stopped another round.

"lucky" shot - how devastating. In Philly cop killers turn into international celebrities like Mumia.

481 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:52:23am

Ah wickedly funny Day by Day cartoon today:
[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

482 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:52:35am

re: #472 realwest

Gee Wyatt, sorry to hear about your being physically ill, take lots of C, D and Zinc! It will help you feel better.

And wtf do you mean a judge ordered his photo taken down? Who the hell complained about it being up in the first place? Y'all ought to have the head of your Fraternal Order of Detectives or whomever write to that judge and tell him to call a liberal Leftist if he ever needs help.
That's outrageous - seriously Wyatt, who the hell complained about it?

Here's the news story - with video - along with my angry commentary.

483 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:52:56am

Iran says it has built unmanned aircraft

Deputy Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi said he could not provide more details, only saying the development of the unmanned aircraft, or drone, was an "important achievement." His remarks were published Wednesday in the government-owned newspaper, Iran, and by the semiofficial Fars news agency.

Flight test

484 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:53:27am

re: #408 MandyManners

Slight tweak.

I've given up trying to arguing about the Commie label for the POTUS. It gives you so much pleasure to say it, why bother spoiling your fun.

485 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:53:44am

re: #480 DistantThunder

"lucky" shot - how devastating. In Philly cop killers turn into international celebrities like Mumia.

Don't even get me started. If you had any idea of the comments I had to delete from my blog . . . ."All cops should die." "The killer did us a favor." "I hope you catch a bullet." Nice, huh?

486 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:53:45am

re: #477 aussiemagpie

Do they produce hybrid offspring? Or is it just chicken plucking time in Oz?

487 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:54:01am

re: #433 DistantThunder

Is it any wonder these preacher make so many mistakes themselves when they have such a warped view of God. If God was simply the punisher in chief, people would not really have free agency to decide to do right or wrong - if the wrong was always punished in such a big overt way.

Just like the Taliban did not inspire genuine morality and goodness among the people. It was all based on harsh external consequences.

Actually (contrary to my comment), I don't think it's a warped view of God. It's a warped view of themselves, which twists their "God" out of shape.

488 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:54:50am

re: #483 SasquatchOnSteroids

Iran says it has built unmanned aircraft

Flight test

next they'll put a bottle rocket on it...

489 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:55:39am

re: #477 aussiemagpie

"Bluntly, that's a form of rape," he said.

"Especially black chickens they seem to think 'oh well, these look close enough' and they'll mate with them."

Racist Turkeys!

490 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:55:52am

re: #451 realwest

Hey there {Maggie} (somehow {Pie} doesn't seem right! Although I DO love pie!). *Smooches* back to you and frankly I'd like to send our rain to wherever the hell Obama is today. And the next day and the next day and..........well y'all get my point!
Are those horrific fires all out now or are y'all still fighting 'em?

Sadly a firefighter was killed on Tuesday by a falling tree in maysville, the town almost totally destroyed on the 7th February

All the fires still going are contained or controlled

BTW
A HUGE THANK YOU to the US firefighters who came here last week to help out!

491 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:56:26am

re: #477 aussiemagpie

Another horror critter story from OZ

Brush turkeys now targeting chickens.....

Good heavens....

But do they taste good?

492 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:56:28am

re: #484 avanti

I've given up trying to arguing about the Commie label for the POTUS. It gives you so much pleasure to say it, why bother spoiling your fun.

the proof is in the pudding...no reason to mince words...you are simply in denile

493 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:56:33am

re: #478 realwest

ROFL! Well I'm glad you're feeling well and look at it this way, at least you've got a job to get in the way of your posting out here.

You are one of those 'glass half full' guys, aren't you?

494 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:56:39am

re: #482 Wyatt Earp

Here's the news story - with video - along with my angry commentary.

That judge [deleted]

495 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:56:57am

re: #484 avanti

I've given up trying to arguing about the Commie label for the POTUS. It gives you so much pleasure to say it, why bother spoiling your fun.

Avanti, maybe I should stay out of this, but do you actually deny that Obama engages in Marxist rhetoric?

496 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:57:03am

Time to play name that party affiliation, Chicago style!

497 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:57:17am

re: #439 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops! How are you this morning? Reaches out BIG mug for coffee refill!

498 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:57:26am

re: #494 reine.de.tout

That judge [deleted]

Yeah, I know. Happened downstairs. Suffice to say, we were none too pleased.

499 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:57:33am

re: #473 albusteve

The Koskids are predictably hypocritical in complaining about the use of a swastika with Obama's name in a protest sign. However, I do think Malkin was unwise to associate with the guy holding the sign. Didn't we have enough of that Bushitler crap for the past 8 years? Aren't we better than that?

Calling Obama Hitler is more than over-the-top. It minimizes the full horror of the Nazis. It's an inaccurate criticism of Obama. And it lowers the credibility of conservative critics.

Enough, already!

500 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:57:40am

re: #455 Afrocity

I am allergic to nuts. The nut posts never seem to go away.

Hi, Afrocity, and good to meet you here - see you on the Facebook site too then

501 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:57:43am

Obama to unveil mortgage foreclosure plan

The Obama administration's plan will help millions of Americans refinance or modify mortgages to lower their monthly payments, and prevent "millions of avoidable foreclosures," said a Democrat familiar with the initiative.

Remember that starry-eyed woman on TV who, before the election, raved about how if Obama were elected, she wouldn't have to pay her mortgage or car loan payments anymore?

We laughed at her then, but it turns out she was right.

502 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:58:14am

re: #450 Iron Fist

I agree. The flip side to that is true as well. Some of the religious right scare moderates. While I (personally) am more frightened of and offended by totalitarians and big-government left-wing fascists than I am of a few nut-ball religious freaks on the right, everyone has their bogeyman. (obviously I am not talking about storm front and other white supremacist groups that should be shunned by all political persuasions)
Bottom line--there is no such thing as a perfect political party.
Right now (IMHO) it's the difference between: "screwed" and "more screwed". I'll pick "screwed".

503 Gella  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:58:17am

re: #496 rightside

Time to play name that party affiliation, Chicago style!

there is only one party in chicago, hint its not republican

504 gregg  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:58:33am

I just finished my taxes and I'll be getting a refund. I think I'll reward myself by having a Juicy Lucy this afternoon.

505 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:58:47am

re: #496 rightside

Time to play name that party affiliation, Chicago style!

Independent ?

506 cathypop  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:58:53am

re: #491 Alouette

But do they taste good?


They taste like chicken?

507 abaleh  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:59:03am

re: #483 SasquatchOnSteroids

Iran says it has built unmanned aircraft

Flight test

Unconfirmed sources claim that Iran is in the advanced stages of developing a supersonic nuclear stealth aircraft carrier to the moon.

//

508 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:59:16am

re: #504 gregg

I just finished my taxes and I'll be getting a refund. I think I'll reward myself by having a Juicy Lucy this afternoon.

She won't mind?

///

509 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:59:45am

re: #450 Iron Fist
Hey Fist! Excellent comment! How are ya doing today?

510 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:00:01am
511 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:00:17am

re: #492 albusteve

the proof is in the pudding...no reason to mince words...you are simply in denile

The more off the wall the far right/left comments are, the more they move the rest of us toward the middle.

512 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:00:35am

re: #499 Kenneth

Agreed. I think there's a rule somewhere that every argument on the internet inevitably degenerates into one person comparing the other's position to Hitler. And there's another rule that the person who invokes the comparison is the one who has lost the argument.

513 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:01:20am

re: #499 Kenneth

The Koskids are predictably hypocritical in complaining about the use of a swastika with Obama's name in a protest sign. However, I do think Malkin was unwise to associate with the guy holding the sign. Didn't we have enough of that Bushitler crap for the past 8 years? Aren't we better than that?

Calling Obama Hitler is more than over-the-top. It minimizes the full horror of the Nazis. It's an inaccurate criticism of Obama. And it lowers the credibility of conservative critics.

Enough, already!

it does and it's not my view either...nevertheless I do enjoy watching the left squirm...pointing it out is one thing, association is certainly another

514 abaleh  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:01:22am

re: #476 Kenneth

Obama visits Canada
Soft-talking President hints he'd like Ottawa to extend Afghan mission, refuses to single out Alberta oil and dampens trade concerns

Don't agree to anything until he asks you to unclench your fists!

//

515 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:01:40am
516 Spartacus50  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:01:51am

God hates Dover, PA but loves Ted Haggerty. Go figure

517 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:01:53am

re: #512 Last Mohican

Agreed. I think there's a rule somewhere that every argument on the internet inevitably degenerates into one person comparing the other's position to Hitler. And there's another rule that the person who invokes the comparison is the one who has lost the argument.

HITLER!

/

518 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:01:55am

re: #457 Wyatt Earp
Hey Wyatt - y'all said "If we had our .45s already" does that mean that Philly's finest are gonna get .45 issued to 'em or at least be able to carry them on their own dime?

519 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:02:06am

re: #511 avanti

The more off the wall the far right/left comments are, the more they move the rest of us toward the middle.

Borrowing a trillion $ and expecting your kids to pay it back is in the middle?

520 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:02:28am

There was a science teacher from TX on Jeopardy last night.
I really wanted Alex to ask her how old she thought the earth was.

521 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:02:37am

re: #499 Kenneth

The Koskids are predictably hypocritical in complaining about the use of a swastika with Obama's name in a protest sign. However, I do think Malkin was unwise to associate with the guy holding the sign. Didn't we have enough of that Bushitler crap for the past 8 years? Aren't we better than that?

Calling Obama Hitler is more than over-the-top. It minimizes the full horror of the Nazis. It's an inaccurate criticism of Obama. And it lowers the credibility of conservative critics.

Enough, already!

while I agree with you 100% - the KOS kiddies and every other mouth-breathing leftard - can suck it.

522 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:02:43am

re: #511 avanti

The more off the wall the far right/left comments are, the more they move the rest of us toward the middle.

Suspending a trial of the Cole bomber is in the middle?

523 XENONIAN  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:03:00am

I just watched this vid

good watch.................. abt 17 min

I would say the first 8 min on the economy are worth your time

Enriquez gets it......

Juan Enriquez: How mindboggling science will outlast the crisis

524 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:03:10am

re: #500 aussiemagpie

Hello mate!

525 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:03:52am

re: #486 OldLineTexan

Do they produce hybrid offspring? Or is it just chicken plucking time in Oz?

I see bloody big eggs and bloody giant chooks as a result!

526 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:04:16am

re: #476 Kenneth


The globe and mail. Canada's version of the NYTimes.

527 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:04:16am

re: #516 Spartacus50

God hates Dover, PA but loves Ted Haggerty. Go figure

LOL! God works in mysterious ways. Only Robertson and Falwell know for sure.

/

528 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:04:24am

Mornin', Lizards

After a brief appearance here in NoVa, Global Warming has beat a hasty retreat & it's snowing.

/I had no idea that Global Warming's real name is Punxsutawney Phil.

529 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:05:05am

re: #518 realwest

Hey Wyatt - y'all said "If we had our .45s already" does that mean that Philly's finest are gonna get .45 issued to 'em or at least be able to carry them on their own dime?


They have been approved, but in usual city progress, they are still working out the logistics of the change over. Probably have them on the streets by the end of the year.

530 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:05:16am
531 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:06:21am

I would dearly like to know what having creationists on the local school board has to do with accepting or rejecting God.

532 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:06:25am

re: #514 abaleh

Don't agree to anything until he asks you to unclench your fists!

//

It's Canada. He'll have to ask them to put down their hockey sticks.

533 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:07:25am

re: #491 Alouette

But do they taste good?

Brush turkeys have never been on the menu here as yet!

Of course, now we'll have turkchicks or chickturks, or chookurkeys...

534 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:07:33am

Good morning, lizards.

Ugh, Pat Robertson... I've seen way too many of these super-pastor types in my years spent in the fundamentalist Christian community. I have no respect for these people whatsoever, and absolutely no use for them.

Their agenda: theocracy, and nothing less
Their modus operandi: fearmongering
Their victims:

1. Weak-minded Christians who embrace everything that emerges from the lips of their beloved superpastors without question because they require a behavioral model.

2. Lazy, irresponsible Christians who are content to let other people interpret the scriptures for them.

3. Christians who believe that it is their divinely ordained duty before God to usher in a theocracy under the guise of "preserving the constitution".

Their mantra: do it Gods' way, or you'll be sorry.

Unfortunately for fundamentalist "superpastors" like Robertson and his ilk - men who crave power, wealth, status and influence above all else and put on a good show to cloak their personal ambitions - there are intelligent, humble Christians out there who understand the true nature of Gods' love for mankind and have learned to jetisson people like him from their reading lists, their television viewing schedules, their Sunday School curriculums and their pulpits.

535 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:07:42am

re: #532 Kosh's Shadow

It's Canada. He'll have to ask them to put down their hockey sticks.

How's it goin', eh?

536 lurking faith  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:08:07am

Good morning, all.

It's a snowy day here, so I've just made a fresh pot of coffee - help yourselves!

537 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:09:43am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Syria is up to its old tricks, and Janes has uncovered that they're furiously working on a chemical weapons facility right next door to one of their missile tech development facilities (maps provided). Funny how that works.

What isn't funny; Assad tells the US he wants better relations, but that he's hoping the US hangs Israel out to dry and the US Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD) listens intently and doesn't bother to note that Syria hosts Hamas, Hizbullah, and assisted the Iraqi insurgency in their efforts to kill Americans in Iraq.

Assad and the rest of the world's thugs and tyrants are busy feeling out Obama and sense weakness on a level not seen since Carter. They're going to push their agenda knowing that Obama's first inclination is appeasement rather than taking a firm stand.

I have a real bad feeling about this.

538 Yashmak  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:09:55am

Pat Robertson's struggle for relevancy continues unabated, I see.

539 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:09:56am

The only thing about the LGF face book page is that I don't know who you guys are, since your screen names are not posted. Anyway I joined by my screen name.

540 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:10:17am

re: #538 Yashmak

I thought he was dead.

541 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:10:57am

re: #530 buzzsawmonkey

Punxsutawney Phil punx Global Warming.

Just like you to hog all the puns.

542 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:11:13am

I'm on MySpace, but I'm not on Facebook.
Just never cared for it much.

543 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:11:18am

re: #530 buzzsawmonkey

And NYC funded a study to show that global warming is going to wreak havoc on NYC. The goal? To demand that city residents give away more of their liberty and freedoms to fulfill some goofy statistical model that is far more inaccurate than the already significantly inaccurate global models provided to date that have been used to push a global warming agenda that has revealed quite a bit of junk science.

544 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:11:32am

re: #495 opnion

Avanti, maybe I should stay out of this, but do you actually deny that Obama engages in Marxist rhetoric?

I've given up discussing it. It's all about perception and what you see as Marxist rhetoric, I may not. It depends on where you are on the left/right. A far left loon might look at GW and compare him to a fascist, where I only see him as a social conservative. You may look at a liberal like Obama and see a Commie, I don't.

545 gregg  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:13:16am

re: #508 Wyatt Earp

She won't mind?
///

My cardiologist might object (Jucy/Juicy Lucy). A local "delicacy".

Anyone else have examples of unique foods from your city? Along the lines of the chili in Cincinnati or the Primanti Brothers sandwich in Pittsburgh?

546 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:13:51am
547 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:13:52am

re: #539 Afrocity

The only thing about the LGF face book page is that I don't know who you guys are, since your screen names are not posted. Anyway I joined by my screen name.

If you look through the surprisingly few comments there, you will find some of us have posted our lgf names.

548 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:14:04am

re: #545 gregg

My cardiologist might object (Jucy/Juicy Lucy). A local "delicacy".

Anyone else have examples of unique foods from your city? Along the lines of the chili in Cincinnati or the Primanti Brothers sandwich in Pittsburgh?

Holy crap, that looks awesome!

549 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:14:20am

re: #482 Wyatt Earp Well if as you wrote you guys gave this judge "preferential treatment" in handling his daughter's fraud charge, maybe y'all ought to complain to the judiciary committee (or whomeve oversees judges in Philly) and report that he asked for special consideration regarding his daughter, then proceeded to defame your brother.

550 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:14:38am

re: #543 lawhawk

And NYC funded a study to show that global warming is going to wreak havoc on NYC. The goal? To demand that city residents give away more of their liberty and freedoms to fulfill some goofy statistical model that is far more inaccurate than the already significantly inaccurate global models provided to date that have been used to push a global warming agenda that has revealed quite a bit of junk science.

It has not escaped my attention that the Global Warming crowd is starting to morph the term to Climate Change. After all, we just cannot allow a good crisis to get away from us.

551 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:14:42am

What the hell is facebook anyway?

552 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:14:45am

re: #495 opnion

"Obama's "share the wealth" comment was socialist, but not necessarily Marxist. For a better perspective on Obama's policies, check out Ledeen's essay up at Pajamas media,

We Are All Fascists Now

...state power is growing at the expense of corporations. But that’s not socialism. Socialism rests on a firm theoretical bedrock: the abolition of private property. I haven’t heard anyone this side of Barney Frank calling for any such thing. What is happening now ...is an expansion of the state’s role, an increase in public/private joint ventures and partnerships, and much more state regulation of business. Yes, it’s very “European,” and some of the Europeans even call it “social democracy,” but it isn’t.

It’s fascism. Nobody calls it by its proper name, for two basic reasons: first, because “fascism” has long since lost its actual, historical, content; it’s been a pure epithet for many decades. Lots of the people writing about current events like what Obama et. al. are doing, and wouldn’t want to stigmatize it with that “f” epithet.

Second, not one person in a thousand knows what fascist political economy was. Yet during the great economic crisis of the 1930s, fascism was widely regarded as a possible solution, indeed as the only acceptable solution to a spasm that had shaken the entire First World, and beyond. It was hailed as a “third way” between two failed systems (communism and capitalism), retaining the best of each. Private property was preserved, as the role of the state was expanded. This was necessary because the Great Depression was defined as a crisis “of the system,” not just a glitch “in the system.” And so Mussolini created the “Corporate State,” in which, in theory at least, the big national enterprises were entrusted to state ownership (or substantial state ownership) and of course state management. Some of the big “Corporations” lasted a very long time; indeed some have only very recently been privatized, and the state still holds important chunks–so-called “golden shares”–in some of them.

Obama's economic policy is much more like the Liberal Fascism described in Jonah Goldberg's excellent book. The political strong-arming to get his stimulus bill passed, cutting off bipartisan cooperation, hints at an authoritarian instinct in Obama.

Don't miss We Are All Fascists Now Part II

The one essential element of early 20th century fascism missing from Obama's policies is the militaristic nationalism common to Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

553 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:15:04am

re: #539 Afrocity

The only thing about the LGF face book page is that I don't know who you guys are, since your screen names are not posted. Anyway I joined by my screen name.

Some folks put their screen names in a comment.
check the comments on "the wall".

554 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:15:16am
555 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:15:21am

re: #549 realwest

Well if as you wrote you guys gave this judge "preferential treatment" in handling his daughter's fraud charge, maybe y'all ought to complain to the judiciary committee (or whomeve oversees judges in Philly) and report that he asked for special consideration regarding his daughter, then proceeded to defame your brother.

The president judge alread came out in Washinggton's defense. Lost cause.

556 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:15:23am

re: #544 avanti

I've given up discussing it. It's all about perception and what you see as Marxist rhetoric, I may not. It depends on where you are on the left/right. A far left loon might look at GW and compare him to a fascist, where I only see him as a social conservative. You may look at a liberal like Obama and see a Commie, I don't.

There is nothing "middle of the road" about Obama.

He's stealing your money and your children's money to expand welfare payments.

Look forward to the economy continuing its decline.

This will be the worst 2 years of our lives.

557 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:15:38am

re: #521 FrogMarch

LOL! No argument on that point.

558 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:15:49am

re: #537 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Syria is up to its old tricks, and Janes has uncovered that they're furiously working on a chemical weapons facility right next door to one of their missile tech development facilities (maps provided). Funny how that works.

What isn't funny; Assad tells the US he wants better relations, but that he's hoping the US hangs Israel out to dry and the US Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD) listens intently and doesn't bother to note that Syria hosts Hamas, Hizbullah, and assisted the Iraqi insurgency in their efforts to kill Americans in Iraq.

Assad and the rest of the world's thugs and tyrants are busy feeling out Obama and sense weakness on a level not seen since Carter. They're going to push their agenda knowing that Obama's first inclination is appeasement rather than taking a firm stand.

I have a real bad feeling about this.

And this time, Turkey isn't likely to let Israel use their airspace to attack the plant, unlike the nuclear plant a while ago.

I hope Israel has some conventional cruise missiles and maybe ballistic missiles to take this out. Of course, the US is now watching all the air activity in Israel (with the radar looking for missile launches against Israel) making a strike against Syria or Iran harder.

559 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:15:50am

re: #551 rightside

What the hell is facebook anyway?

You ffailed to add a sarc tag so I'll assume your question is genuine.
Facebook is a social networking site.

560 Miss Trixie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:15:59am

re: #461 realwest

Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches* to you along with a good morning!
Hey, uh, what did bloodnok say that has ya blushing? Hmmm?

From Bloodnok's #371 response to my #357. :D

*smoochie-smooch* Good morning!

Kenneth

Obama Visits Canada

You wouldn't BELIEVE the media hype and the tingling and swooning that's going on around here.

*rolls eyes*

/then again, yes. Yes you would.

561 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:16:26am
562 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:16:26am

re: #474 Ford_Prefect
Hey Ford - don't know if this was put up by anyone except me yesterday, but yesterday Obama signed an Executive Order that any construction work on Federal Buildings had to be done by Union Members.
What ever happened to giving contracts out to the lowest bidder?
Obama's still paying off campaign debts......with our tax money.

563 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:16:27am

re: #559 Irish Rose

You ffailed to add a sarc tag so I'll assume your question is genuine.
Facebook is a social networking site.

And a book of faces.

/

564 freetoken  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:16:55am

re: #519 DeafDog

Borrowing a trillion $ and expecting your kids to pay it back is in the middle?

Actually, yes, it is. Have you been paying attention to the total US gov't debt the past 30 years? It goes up. Not down, but up. Regardless of who is in office or which party is in control of Congress.

The $800B "stimulus" pkg is just the beginning. The resolution of the banking problem, which will happen by the socialization of the bad debt, will be far more.

That is why I mentioned the S&L mess and the RTC. It was only 20 years ago and we had to deal with a similar mess (real estate causing disaster in the financial industry), only on a smaller scale than today's problem.

565 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:17:01am
566 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:17:07am

re: #551 rightside

Must be one of them thar new fangled things the youngsters are talkin' about these days. Probably on that innernet thing.

567 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:17:21am

re: #537 lawhawk

I see that Syria is up to its old tricks, and Janes has uncovered that they're furiously working on a chemical weapons facility right next door to one of their missile tech development facilities (maps provided).

I thought they were already producing chemical weapons at Al Safir.
Must be expanding that part of the facility.

568 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:17:45am

re: #552 Kenneth

Don't miss We Are All Fascists Now Part II

Ledeen money quote:

Tocqueville knows better. He foresees a slow death of freedom. The power of the centralized government will gradually expand, meddling in every area of our lives until, like a lobster in a slowly heated pot, we are cooked without ever realizing what has happened. The ultimate horror of Tocqueville’s vision is that we will welcome it, and even convince ourselves that we control it.

569 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:17:46am

re: #476 Kenneth
Good morning my friend - hope you're doing a little better today.
What did you mean by the Alberta Oil reference?

570 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:17:54am

re: #550 unreconstructed rebel

Well, in the NYC study, they're hell bent on calling it global warming and that the oceans will rise, temps will rise and that there will be more extreme events.

Anyone bother to check to see whether the meteorologists can get the weather right more than 5 days in advance? I didn't think so. If they can't be on the mark with precipitation and snowfall a week out, how can anyone take what they predict 10, 20, 50 years out without having a Dead Sea's worth of salt?

571 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:18:05am

re: #545 gregg

My cardiologist might object (Jucy/Juicy Lucy). A local "delicacy".

Anyone else have examples of unique foods from your city? Along the lines of the chili in Cincinnati or the Primanti Brothers sandwich in Pittsburgh?

One of the local cities in CT is known for it's steamed cheeseburgers. Never had one. Just doesn't sound appealing to me.

572 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:18:31am

re: #546 taxfreekiller

dumb ass commie Chicago on the dole from the "machine" thug.

From American Thinker:

The fact is, if this mess with Burris had been made public back on February 5 when the Illinois senator submitted his "corrected" affidavit to the Democratic Majority Leader, there is a pretty good chance that the Illinois senator would not have been able to vote on the stimulus bill.

Burris Cover Up

573 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:18:47am

Good morning Lizardia. It's a bee-yoo-ti-ful day in the neighborhood! And the views are spectacular. [polyanna out]

574 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:19:13am

re: #559 Irish Rose

It was genuine.

575 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:19:17am

re: #554 buzzsawmonkey

I think it is a mistake to simply view such people, and their followers, with hostility and derision.

Precisely because the "superpastors" you so despise are in fact interested in power, wealth and status, they are amenable to political pressure when it is properly brought to bear. And precisely because many people follow such "superpastors," if the "superpastor" can be persuaded, by proper application of pressure, to moderate his stance, the flock which follows him will fall into line.

Yes, in a perfect world it would be wonderful to have people who are well-informed and who take the time to educate themselves on issues so as to come to an intelligently-deduced independent conclusion. In the reality, it is necessary to influence the leaders of constituencies which may be more sheeplike than one would wish in order that the constituencies take a certain path.

Influencing a "superpastor" is no different from influencing a union president, or any other leader of a large constituency.

I agree.
However, I believe that the type of influence that these "superpastors" exert over their followers is much more insidious.

576 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:19:23am

re: #568 FrogMarch

Democracy in America is a great book, but it's the size of a telephone directory. I'm sure someone has excerpted the best bits. Anyone know?

577 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:19:32am

re: #547 Ford_Prefect

If you look through the surprisingly few comments there, you will find some of us have posted our lgf names.

I've struck an obstacle posting there - seems I need confirmation of my phone number but that's not confirmed yet

Never mind, I'll try tomorrow!

578 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:19:53am

re: #493 Ford_Prefect
Yeah, I guess I am one of those glass half full guys. Better than going through life thinking the other way.

579 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:20:28am
580 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:21:02am

At risk of offending someone over my ignorance, I'm still curious:

Why are links to Israpundit banned?

581 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:21:02am

re: #567 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The facilities are being expanded at a significant pace. That's not a good sign.

582 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:21:08am

re: #562 realwest

Hey Ford - don't know if this was put up by anyone except me yesterday, but yesterday Obama signed an Executive Order that any construction work on Federal Buildings had to be done by Union Members.
What ever happened to giving contracts out to the lowest bidder?
Obama's still paying off campaign debts......with our tax money.

Hmmm. Sounds like an earmark to me.

583 Lynn B.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:21:55am

re: #415 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Robertson knows God's mind better than God himself?

It's clear that Robertson doesn't worship the God of the Old Testament.
/and certainly not that of the New

True. And whatever god he does worship is obviously a petty, vindictive little thing. Isn't there a Commandment about that?

584 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:22:08am

re: #544 avanti

There exists a common misconception that Fascism & Marxism are polar opposites. Not true. They are two rival Leftist ideologies. Fascism is not "right-wing" and certainly not Conservative. This fact explains how Mussolini easily switched from a Socialist party to a Fascist party, how Stalin allied the USSR with Nazi Germany and how Marxist China fiddled with a few policies and transformed itself into a true Fascist state, while keeping the Communist Party all powerful.

585 XENONIAN  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:22:12am

ANOTHER BIG LIE

THE StupidUS bill gives us poor chattering classes $288B in "tax relief"...
catching that?

Goebbels would be proud

586 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:22:16am

re: #522 DeafDog

Suspending a trial of the Cole bomber is in the middle?

He had to suspend the trial when he could not get a delay to figure out how to try him without the torture issue getting the confessions tossed out. He'll be held until he can be retried using other evidence or be sure they'll get a conviction.

Even some of the Cole victims misunderstood the issue.

587 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:22:41am

re: #544 avanti

I've given up discussing it. It's all about perception and what you see as Marxist rhetoric, I may not. It depends on where you are on the left/right. A far left loon might look at GW and compare him to a fascist, where I only see him as a social conservative. You may look at a liberal like Obama and see a Commie, I don't.


Alright fair enough, but I think that you are engaging in wishful thinking.
When an indiviual crticises the US Constitution for having no provision for "Economic Justice", that is a reference to wealth distribution.

588 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:23:36am

re: #578 realwest

Yeah, I guess I am one of those glass half full guys. Better than going through life thinking the other way.

Actually, I tend to agree.

589 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:24:23am

re: #499 Kenneth
Kenneth - I suspect that Michelle was too caught up in a crowd of autograph seekers to even see that sign - it's clearly not in her line of vision in the photo at her blog.
In any event, I'm through being mr. nice-guy, MM's right when she talks about how much the LEFT used to compare Bush to Hitler - so fuck them if we do the same.
And yeah, I know "we're better than that" and all tha jazz and I still say fuck 'em.

590 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:24:42am

re: #578 realwest

Yeah, I guess I am one of those glass half full guys. Better than going through life thinking the other way.

Frankly, I tend to find that most true conservatives tend to be that way. They may go off the rails once in a while, but for the most part they tend to be positive people.

591 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:25:12am

re: #497 realwest

Good morning Hoops! How are you this morning? Reaches out BIG mug for coffee refill!


You sure you wasnt some of this? Sumatra..It removes paint!
Good Morning Real

592 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:25:36am

re: #590 Ford_Prefect

Makes you wonder: Does conservative philosophy lead to optimism? or does optimism lead to conservative philosophy?

593 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:25:38am
594 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:25:39am

re: #570 lawhawk

While I agree that "global warming" is BS (or at least quite unproven), using the weather forecasting argument isn't such a good argument. We can't predict the temperature 6 days from now, but we can predict the average temperature 6 months from now. They are different predictions. The details of weather are chaotic, but the averages aren't.

But since we don't know what causes ice ages, or how the long-term solar cycles work, we can't tell if global warming is real or not, or if it is real, whether it will stave off another ice age or something like the Maunder Minimum.

595 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:25:44am

re: #569 realwest

Hi real. I'm doing fine, thanks. How are you doing?

The environmentalists in Canada are up in arms against developing the Alberta oil sands. They argue that extracting the oil is environmentally destructive, and consumes too much energy (the tar must be heated up to extract the oil, the oil is heavy and must be upgraded for use, ..etc). The enviro-lefties had high hope Obama would head their Luddite calls to boycott the oil sands. No chance of that.

596 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:25:46am

re: #581 lawhawk

The facilities are being expanded at a significant pace. That's not a good sign.

Absolutely not a good sign

/but I'm sure the practice of opthalmology requires the use of anesthetics

597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:26:15am

Never too early for macaroni and cheese. Is it? Hungry.

Bowl is all the way full...

598 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:26:23am
599 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:26:51am

re: #592 Joo-LiZ

Makes you wonder: Does conservative philosophy lead to optimism? or does optimism lead to conservative philosophy?

either way it leads to failure at the polls...sadly

600 J.S.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:27:00am

re: #580 Joo-LiZ

Unfortunately, the views expressed on that website tend towards extremism (for example, you'll find links to Fjordman's "essays", along with radical fear-mongering essays, with themes about such things as the "horrors" of Muslim immigration, etc.)

601 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:27:56am
602 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:28:03am

I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God — you just rejected Him from your city. And don’t wonder why He hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for His help because he might not be there.

— Pat Robertson, AFTER creationists were voted off the Dover PA school board

Geez, Robertson covered all the bases, except, SEND me MONEY, so I can fight this!
Threats of Hellfire, Abandonment by God, and FEAR embedded Brimstone and impending DOOM and punishment from God,he even remembered the SHAME. He really should have run for Democratic Congress. I don't see much difference in their tactics.

603 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:28:38am

re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Never too early for macaroni and cheese. Is it? Hungry.

Bowl is all the way full...

Well, it depends if you are trying to watch your weight?

604 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:28:40am

re: #583 Lynn B.

True. And whatever god he does worship is obviously a petty, vindictive little thing. Isn't there a Commandment about that?

Seems I remember someone asking Jesus if there was one unforgiveable sin.
IIRC, he replied with something like ... leading the children of God astray.

/just sayin'

605 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:28:44am

re: #560 Miss Trixie

I've tried to avoid the mass swooning at CBC News. And I don't want to know about any tingles running up Peter Mansbridge's leg, thank-you very much.

606 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:28:52am

re: #592 Joo-LiZ

Makes you wonder: Does conservative philosophy lead to optimism? or does optimism lead to conservative philosophy?

The following statement is true.
----------------------------------------
The preceding statement is false.

My head hurts.

607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:29:14am

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

Well, it depends if you are trying to watch your weight?

Oh, I'm watching it baby! I'm watching it.

608 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:29:19am

re: #598 Iron Fist

That's what we are being told to us. You are 100% correct about that. The question is are we (or, really to what extent) being lied to? At this stage I don't trust either Party to be telling the truth. And I am not enough of an economist to be able to ferret out the truth from the falsehoods and make a rational decision on the merits.

I don't trust anything that is railroaded through the Congress like this was, with little debate. This is a huge bill. I'll guarantee you none of the Congressmen and Senators has read the damned thing in its entirety. You just can't read that much heavy reading in that short a time.

And that alone is enough for me to wish the Spendulous bill would fail. There could be damned near anything hidden inside all of the verbiage.

pg 270...the feds are into your medical records imposing their expertice on you

609 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:29:32am

re: #600 J.S.

Unfortunately, the views expressed on that website tend towards extremism (for example, you'll find links to Fjordman's "essays", along with radical fear-mongering essays, with themes about such things as the "horrors" of Muslim immigration, etc.)

Ahh, one of those.... bloody hell!

I don't go there regularly, but I just got an e-mail forward with an interesting essay on anti-semitism and the upcoming Durban review, and was wondering what the block was for.

All I needed to know was that they are a fan of Fjordman, and that'd have answered my question. =S

610 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:29:32am
611 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:30:03am

re: #592 Joo-LiZ

Makes you wonder: Does conservative philosophy lead to optimism? or does optimism lead to conservative philosophy?

I feel more optimistic now that I converted from DEM to conservative. I could be wrong but after 20 years of their failure to impress me or really help anyone, there is no other way but up.

612 lurking faith  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:30:20am

re: #511 avanti

How is it "way out there" to point out that a politician who espouses Marxist doctrine ought to be considered a communist?

613 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:30:22am

re: #607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, I'm watching it baby! I'm watching it.

Watching it go up and up and up?

614 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:30:37am

re: #610 buzzsawmonkey

How much of it is "reparations," I wonder.

615 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:30:58am

re: #564 freetoken

Actually, yes, it is. Have you been paying attention to the total US gov't debt the past 30 years? It goes up. Not down, but up. Regardless of who is in office or which party is in control of Congress.

The $800B "stimulus" pkg is just the beginning. The resolution of the banking problem, which will happen by the socialization of the bad debt, will be far more.

That is why I mentioned the S&L mess and the RTC. It was only 20 years ago and we had to deal with a similar mess (real estate causing disaster in the financial industry), only on a smaller scale than today's problem.

Now, it's not "middle of the road." It's hard left economic thinking.

Your post is incoherent and full on inaccuracies. Prior to 2008, the govt. debt as a % of GDP has stayed relatively constant. Now, it is balloning.

Second, the RTC actually made a small profit for the government. So saying that extending that model to the current situation involves increased borrowing is incorrect.

Finally, before spending our childeren's $, don't you think it makes more sense to encourage private investments? There is $56 trillion sitting in bank accounts right now. It's not being put to use because folks like you are stuck on a "only govt. can solve my problems" mindset.

616 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:31:18am

Dr. Big Brother...

[Link: www.finance.senate.gov...]

617 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:31:20am

Shooting fish in a barrel

618 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:31:22am
619 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:31:50am

Here are the snow covered San Gabriel Mountains this morning. (Towercam)

And Robertson is wrong, God is always there & always helps if you ask.

What a bozo, that Robertson.

620 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:32:21am

re: #610 buzzsawmonkey

Anytime someone tells you to sign--or in this case, vote--quick, quick, quick, because this offer is only good for the next ten minutes and it simply has to be resolved right now, with no time whatsoever for deliberation, it is a scam.

Without fail.

The Panic Bill, passed under the misleading rubric of "stimulus," was a way for Obama to lay the groundwork for any number of initiatives without having to risk them being examined, weighed, discussed, and debated on their merits. It is the biggest Trojan Horse in history.

And right afterwards, we were told not to expect results soon. If the effects will take a while, why was it so critical to get it passed right away?

621 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:32:26am

re: #589 realwest

I'm not saying don't criticize Obama & I am certainly not saying KosKids have a point (aside from the ones on the tops of their heads) , as they don't.

I am saying for the benefit of the conservative movement Obama = Hitler comparisons undermine our valid criticism.

622 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:32:37am
623 J.S.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:32:44am

re: #609 Joo-LiZ

(some -- not at lfg, btw -- have also noted the banner on the site which states: "THERE IS NO DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION" which seems to imply that there can only be war...and some take issue with such a stance, etc.)

624 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:33:22am

re: #611 Afrocity

I feel more optimistic now that I converted from DEM to conservative. I could be wrong but after 20 years of their failure to impress me or really help anyone, there is no other way but up.

Yes, it's interesting.

I'm sure they feed off each other.

The mindset of "there is still hope" and seeing things in a positive light, will usually lead individuals to take whatever action they can to improve their own lot in life.

Likewise, if you are conservative, then believing that individuals can really make their own decisions and fix up their own situations without depending on government handouts will put them in an optimistic mood.

I'm starting to convince myself that optimism and conservatism are nearly synonymous.

625 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:33:36am

re: #555 Wyatt Earp
"The president judge alread came out in Washinggton's defense. Lost cause."
[deleted] hope y'all have learned your lesson about helping out the crooked judges in Philly.

626 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:33:43am

Don't worry, clearer heads will whittle about $779.999 billion out of the spending bill during its Appropriations phase.

/

627 J.S.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:33:54am

re: #623 J.S.

make that lgf (not lfg)..(lfg is the French version -- just joking).

628 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:34:20am
629 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:34:27am

WA State is in a $7 Billion dollar hole. Which per-capita about the same hole as CA.

So what is a pressing matter in Olympia?

Novelty lighters bill passes out of committee

Novelty lighters are those that have flashing lights, musical sounds, and toy-like designs. The concern is that the lighters appeal to children, who might accidentally start a fire with them.

MIGHT? Okay, how many fires have actually been started by kids with these lighters? We're in deep fucking hole and you are worried about MIGHT!

The lunatics are running the asylum.

630 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:34:44am
631 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:35:00am

re: #552 Kenneth

"Obama's "share the wealth" comment was socialist, but not necessarily Marxist. For a better perspective on Obama's policies, check out Ledeen's essay up at Pajamas media,


The share the wealth comment was all about rolling back the Bush tax cuts to the rich to the Clinton levels. We've had a regressive tax plan for decades, so we've been "socialists" since the early part of the last century ? We've never had a flat tax in 100 years of the code, and the rich have been sharing since day one.

632 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:35:01am

re: #623 J.S.

(some -- not at lfg, btw -- have also noted the banner on the site which states: "THERE IS NO DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION" which seems to imply that there can only be war...and some take issue with such a stance, etc.)

Ah, if I ever went to the site for the sake of actually going to the site, I would have noticed that. But I only ever get there through links to select articles.

That's disgusting.

633 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:35:07am

re: #526 rightside

The globe and mail. Canada's version of the NYTimes.

Strangely enough, the Globe & Mail was originally a conservative paper. Only recently did it shift leftward. The National Post is now the true conservative paper.

634 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:35:18am

re: #584 Kenneth

One wonders if fascism ever really went away, or if it merely snuck around in the socialist shadows. I will say this, fascist economics seems to be making a major comeback as of late.

The fascists of the 1920s and 1930s allowed private investment and private firms to continue, but they were made ultimately subservient to the state and the whims of the state. Some were even created at the behest of the state (Volkswagen comes to mind).

635 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:35:23am

re: #628 buzzsawmonkey

Everything is tactics with these people.

636 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:35:29am

re: #617 rightside

Shooting fish in a barrel

Maintaining the face lift is straining the brain.

637 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:35:34am

re: #627 J.S.

& LSD are the French Mormons?

638 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:35:46am

The Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates Presents:

The Rules:

1. Pillage, then burn.
4. Close air support covereth a multitude of sins.
6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
8. Mockery and derision have their place. Usually, it's on the far side of the airlock.
9. Never turn your back on an enemy.
10. Sometimes the only way out is through... through the hull.
11. Everything is air-droppable at least once.
12. A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
13. Do unto others.
16. Your name is in the mouth of others: be sure it has teeth.
21. Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Take his fish away and tell him he's lucky just to be alive, and he'll figure out how to catch another one for you to take tomorrow.
27. Don't be afraid to be the first to resort to violence.
29. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.
30. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
31. Only cheaters prosper.
34. If you’re leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun.
35. That which does not kill you has made a major tactical error.
36. When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support.
37. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.'

Thanks to

Schlock Mercenary

639 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:35:56am

re: #633 Kenneth

Strangely enough, the Globe & Mail was originally a conservative paper. Only recently did it shift leftward. The National Post is now the true conservative paper.

I feel as though the globe and mails leftward shift coincides with the national posts rise in popularity.

What was the third major national paper? I can't recall.

640 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:36:14am

re: #602 notutopia

Geez, Robertson covered all the bases, except, SEND me MONEY, so I can fight this!
Threats of Hellfire, Abandonment by God, and FEAR embedded Brimstone and impending DOOM and punishment from God,he even remembered the SHAME. He really should have run for Democratic Congress. I don't see much difference in their tactics.

Me either.

641 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:36:16am

re: #612 lurking faith

How is it "way out there" to point out that a politician who espouses Marxist doctrine ought to be considered a communist?

Ya get the feeling that calling Karl Marx a Marxist would be hate speach.
Liberals screamed about calling Castro a Marixist after the Revolutionn & then Castro said, "Si , Yo soy Marxist." Then of course it was ,'Never mind."

642 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:36:16am

re: #607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, I'm watching it baby! I'm watching it.

I'm watching my weight too. The stress induced by all this crap in the legislature and Change, is playing hell with my metabolism. The only way to keep my weight controlled when things upset me, is to exercise double what I did before the stress. It's like a little switch that gets thrown that says. CONSERVE and hold on to those
calories in body fat stores.
Our bodies are so amazing and wonderful.
Built in Self protection for hard times.

643 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:36:36am

re: #633 Kenneth

I liken that to our Washington Times then.

644 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:37:12am
645 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:37:40am

re: #627 J.S.

make that lgf (not lfg)..(lfg is the French version -- just joking).

Do the French members call themselves frogs instead of lizards?

646 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:38:10am

re: #633 Kenneth

Strangely enough, the Globe & Mail was originally a conservative paper. Only recently did it shift leftward. The National Post is now the true conservative paper.

the left is where the money is....altho people dont think so FOX news will be pointed that way someday...betcha

647 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:38:45am

re: #644 buzzsawmonkey

Try Tic-Tacs? That's what Obama's oratory is for. Centralized Government Control, New and Improved, with Minty Freshness!

648 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:38:52am

re: #586 avanti

He had to suspend the trial when he could not get a delay to figure out how to try him without the torture issue getting the confessions tossed out. He'll be held until he can be retried using other evidence or be sure they'll get a conviction.

Even some of the Cole victims misunderstood the issue.


The one legitimate gripe that "middle" america recognized regarding the Gitmo detainees was that it was taking too long to give the terrorist their day in court.

With the Cole bomber, that issue was settled and they were to be tried in a military tribunal. The only ones who question this is the far left. Now, the day in court is delayed.

Middle America finds this wrong headed.

649 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:38:54am

re: #629 jcm

WA State is in a $7 Billion dollar hole. Which per-capita about the same hole as CA.

So what is a pressing matter in Olympia?

Novelty lighters bill passes out of committee


MIGHT? Okay, how many fires have actually been started by kids with these lighters? We're in deep fucking hole and you are worried about MIGHT!

The lunatics are running the asylum.

Next on the docket: Pens where a woman's clothes disappear if you hold them upside down. SCOURGE OF SOCIETY!

650 vxbush  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:38:57am

Morning. Work is out to get me, I tell you. I have a meeting in fifteen minutes, so I get no LGF time! It's like they expect me to do something for that money I'm paid.

/

651 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:39:05am

re: #624 Joo-LiZ

Yes, it's interesting.

I'm sure they feed off each other.

The mindset of "there is still hope" and seeing things in a positive light, will usually lead individuals to take whatever action they can to improve their own lot in life.

Likewise, if you are conservative, then believing that individuals can really make their own decisions and fix up their own situations without depending on government handouts will put them in an optimistic mood.

I'm starting to convince myself that optimism and conservatism are nearly synonymous.

This is why I feel that African Americans will do better with the conservatives. I hope Michael Steele helps with this.

652 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:39:10am

re: #636 jcm

Impossible. She would have to have one first.

653 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:40:05am

We're all RepublicansSocialists now
We're all united and how
For national insecurity
And cultural impurity
We're all RepublicansSocialists now
DownUp with the income tax
Get government offon ourtheir backs
LessMore regulation—let people the lazy be free
To work overtime stay on the dole and haveget two jobschecks or three
Put strictloose constructionists back on the courts
Let liberals have it stick them right in the shorts
It's a free country so go and have fun
But not in my backyard cause I have a Obama has the gun
We're all RepublicansSocialists
All RepublicansSocialists
All RepublicansSocialists now.

We're all RepublicansSocialists now
We're happy RepublicansSocialists now
GodAcorn put us in office He
'S fulfulling his prophecy
We're all RepublicansSocialists now
So if health care you can't afford
You better talk to the Lordhealth board

He brought us to power—it's His Will we do
We're only His Servants when we're pounding on you
He told us to battle and never relent
We weren't just elected, no, we were sent
No matter what happens, we're not to blame
For He has redeemed us from guilt and from shame
We're all RepublicansSocialists
All RepublicansSocialists
All RepublicansSocialists now.

- Garrison Keillor unreconstructed rebel

654 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:40:24am
655 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:40:32am

re: #649 Bloodnok

Next on the docket: Pens where a woman's clothes disappear if you hold them upside down. SCOURGE OF SOCIETY!

ha! I have a small collection of those....from my cold dead hands!

656 SFGoth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:40:33am

Didn't Robertson stop a hurricane off South Carolina in 1995?

657 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:40:49am

re: #649 Bloodnok

Next on the docket: Pens where a woman's clothes disappear if you hold them upside down. SCOURGE OF SOCIETY!

I see you have gotten some of California's stupider run-off. My sincere apologies.

658 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:40:59am

re: #77 Erik The Red

Morning/Evening Night Lizards.

Did any of you know that LGF has a face book page? If so do you know who set it up and runs the group?

DON'T sign up for it! It was created as a nefarious TRAP by ROBERT SPENCER!

/////////removes tinfoil hat...

659 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:41:01am

re: #598 Iron Fist
Hmm- yet another great comment my friend. You're on a roll today!

660 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:41:38am

re: #651 Afrocity

This is why I feel that African Americans will do better with the conservatives. I hope Michael Steele helps with this.

This radio host here in Baton Rouge is doing his part.

He very publicly switched to Rep a few years ago, let everybody know.

661 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:42:14am

Democrat Insider Says "Obama Has Secret Plan to Fund a Patronage System"


Youtube Video
662 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:42:21am

re: #653 unreconstructed rebel

I used to like Keilor but after songs like that I never listen to him, I was offended. Thanks for the new version.

663 J.S.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:42:23am

re: #645 Ford_Prefect

Bien sur! (after all amphibians are more highly evolved than reptiles..)

/

664 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:42:52am

re: #621 Kenneth

I'm not saying don't criticize Obama & I am certainly not saying KosKids have a point (aside from the ones on the tops of their heads) , as they don't.

I am saying for the benefit of the conservative movement Obama = Hitler comparisons undermine our valid criticism.

And referring to Obama as a commie is equally harmful to our cause. [he is closer to the social democratic model which is part of socialist Europe]

665 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:43:05am

Good morning lizards!

Fundraiser for Murtha may have broken campaign finance rules

A $100,000 fundraiser for Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) held last year at a big-game ranch in Western Pennsylvania may have violated campaign-finance rules, according to campaign-finance experts.

Campaign-finance records do not reflect any payments from Murtha to LBK Game Ranch or the company’s president, Bill Kuchera, for the use of the site for the Aug. 21 fundraiser. The records also contain no mention of in-kind donations from Kuchera to Murtha’s campaign for the event.

666 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:43:58am
667 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:44:11am

UN lobbies for share of bank rescue funds and probably the opening call for Stimu-Less© II.

668 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:44:37am

re: #649 Bloodnok

Next on the docket: Pens where a woman's clothes disappear if you hold them upside down. SCOURGE OF SOCIETY!

Speaking of pens. Did anyone notice how many different pens Obama used to sign that bill yesterday? What is up with that? Is that normal? What happens to those pens? Maybe they can sell them on ebay to help pay for the bill he just signed them with.

669 XENONIAN  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:44:48am

I SWEAR - - - I AM GONNA STOP PAYING MY BILLS !

670 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:44:51am

I must off to work. Visit with ya later.

671 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:44:53am

re: #599 albusteve
Uh, no, actually not. Quick, name the last five POTUS and tell me which was R and which was D? (Obama doesn't count as his voter base was either dead [ACORN] or brain dead).
Lemme help ya here: We had two George W's (and yeah I know he spent money like crazy, but he WAS fighting two wars and spending money on Katrina, the Indonesian Tsunami victims and the like), we had two Clintons, We had BushI and we had Ronnie twice. That gives R's a 16 and D's an 8.

672 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:44:54am

re: #665 NJDhockeyfan

It's not illegal when democrats do it.

/he'll apologize and everything will be better.

673 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:45:04am

re: #619 Ojoe

A glorious good morning! What a pic on that tower cam. Looks like an oil painting.

674 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:45:18am

Interesting, I just heard a quote on the radio from Obama, from his speech in Denver yesterday, saying something to the effect "this stimulus will be a key to our energy independence" and talking about the future of renewable energy.

Look, I worked at the National Renewable Energy Lab (here in Golden Co.) for 13 years. It is the only DOE lab dedicated to energy research. There are about 900 scientist there, populating about 10-12 different programs (biofuels, solar, thermal etc).

Where as the lab has made some amazing science happen over the 30 years in existence, nothing they have come up with will suddenly become the hottest thing since oil.

We would need an effort similar to Kennedy's race to the moon, and nothing in the stimulus bill comes close to that kind of dedication, money and direction.

I know the science that exists, and while there are a lot of promising technologies for the future, there is still no technology that has a positive cost benefit. And no one, government, business or private citizen is going to pay for a negative return in energy.

And don't get me wrong, there are possibilities in renewables. But you can't just throw out the baby with the bath water. And you can't just snap your fingers and expect a miracle. I was laid off 5 years ago from the lab because for 25 years, the lab was treated like a bastard step child in regards to funding.

So, the science is still further behind than it needs to be, because the lab has spent so many years just trying to catch up between budget cuts, staff cuts and politics.

Obama is not a magician and this stimulus has nothing magical about it.

675 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:45:23am

re: #587 opnion

Alright fair enough, but I think that you are engaging in wishful thinking.
When an indiviual crticises the US Constitution for having no provision for "Economic Justice", that is a reference to wealth distribution.

That's a distortion of his comment, as was pointed out months ago.

link.

676 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:45:25am

re: #665 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Fundraiser for Murtha may have broken campaign finance rules

Of course you all know what a moose is, that's big game. The first day I shot two bucks that was the biggest game we had. - Groucho Marx, Animal Crackers

677 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:46:02am

re: #654 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, but I way underestimated this country's common sense and the power of media in this last election. The Dems knew they had a rare opportunity with Obama, so they pressed the accelerator to the floor. If they can keep the disappointment to a perceptual minimum, they'll keep driving hard on their agenda. One thing I admire about some Lefties is their absolutely serious political instinct. They want to kill things dead, and they are relentless. I wish we had that on our side in more people. I thought McCain had enough of it, but I overestimated him by an embarrassing margin. We need some serious counterpunching, fast.

678 lurking faith  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:46:09am

re: #544 avanti

I, for one, prefer to make my comparisons to fascism and Marxism based on actual, long-standing definitions, and Marx's writings. And then I compare these things to the politicians' actual behaviors and avowed influences.

GWB was not particularly fascist in his leanings. I've heard the loony left's arguments otherwise, and they are crap, requiring a presumption that fascism means simply "doing something liberals don't like".

On the other hand, BHO has stated himself that he was influenced by Marxists.

What more do you need to see?

679 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:46:19am

Even Hilary is sucking up to Muslims:

She's in supposedly moderate Indonesia (which is so moderate that I believe they publicly say how Jews and Israel are to blame for everything).

Clinton seeks to improve US image with Muslims

Funny, though, she's not in a burkha. That might improve our image with Muslims.

680 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:46:20am

re: #663 J.S.

Bien sur! (after all amphibians are more highly evolved than reptiles..)

/

Problem is, if they eat their own legs it makes it harder for them to run away from a fight.

681 Miss Trixie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:46:28am

re: #607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, I'm watching it baby! I'm watching it.

A waist is a terrible thing to mind ... :P

Kenneth

Have you been to Ezra's site lately (can't link - blocked at work) concerning the HR Commissions? GREAT NEWS! I'm going to send a letter of support to Lindsay Blackett.

We can win this thing.

682 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:46:35am

re: #660 reine.de.tout

Hey, that's great to hear about Buggs. He always struck me as a good egg.

683 SFGoth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:46:54am

Every Republican, especially elected and former elected officials should have on their wall a picture of Stalin with the following words: "Ronald Reagan bequeathed us a great legacy and we've fucked it up." Heard on the radio today that in '01 and '03 that Bush wanted to reign in the FMs. Dunno if that's true, but I'll grant him that it would've been an enormous uphill battle considering the Dems' veto-proof majority in both houses from '01-'03.

684 jaunte  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:47:07am

Someone posted yesterday about changes to Cobra insurance in the stimulus bill, in which employers would now be responsible for 65% of insurance payments for any laid-off employees, up to 9 months. Here's a summary explanation:
[Link: www.michaelbest.com...]

At the same link, note this expansion of the Americans with Disabilities Act:

Americans With Disabilities Amendment Act of 2008 (“ADAA”)

The Americans With Disabilities Act (“ADA”) affects employers administering group health plans because a group health plan is a term or condition of employment. Under the ADA, an employer may not discriminate against a qualified individual on the basis of his or her disability in the terms or conditions of that individual’s employment.

The ADAA amended the ADA’s definition of a “major life activity” to include several conditions which courts and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (“EEOC”) previously rejected through decisions and regulatory action. The ADAA adds activities such as reproductive activities, walking, eating, sleeping, standing, lifting and even concentrating. The ADAA also eliminates the mitigating measures standard which stated that if an individual could use a mitigating measure to control his or her disability, then he or she was not disabled. The ADAA appears to expand the conditions for which a group health plan must provide coverage. However, it is unclear whether this will actually be the case because the EEOC may not change its position that a cost-benefit analysis controls when evaluating whether a condition is excludable.

Speaking as a small business owner, I'd say that anyone who thinks these changes will stimulate small businesses to hire new employees is nuts.

685 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:47:09am

re: #668 Ford_Prefect

Speaking of pens. Did anyone notice how many different pens Obama used to sign that bill yesterday? What is up with that? Is that normal? What happens to those pens? Maybe they can sell them on ebay to help pay for the bill he just signed them with.


Yes, Presidents and governors do this. They sign with several pens, then give them as gifts or souvenirs to people, like those who helped with a particular piece of legislation.

686 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:47:15am

The diplomacy of groveling.

687 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:47:27am
688 taejohndo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:47:32am

Anyone else see this or post this? I first saw it on BabyBlue's Blog. ([Link: babybluecafe.blogspot.com)....]

[Link: spectator.org...]

In All Fairness
By The Prowler on 2.16.09 @ 6:09AM

SCREENING OBAMA
One wouldn't know it from reading the Washington Post or New York Times, but some inside the White House don't think that President Barack Obama hit a home run with his first national press conference last week.
"It looked scripted beyond the scripted part, the speech," says one former communications adviser, who has been feeding notes and suggestions to the White House team and worked with them on the inauguration. "Every president has gone into one of these things knowing that there were some pre-arranged questions or journalists to be called on, but this one was pretty ham-handed."
To that end, he says, the White House is looking to install a small video or computer screen into the podium used by the president for press conferences and events in the White House. "It would make it easier for the comms guys to pass along information without being obvious about it," says the adviser.
The screen would indicate whom to call on, seat placement for journalists, pass along notes or points to hit, and so forth, says the adviser.
Using a screen is nothing new for Obama; almost nothing he said in supposedly unscripted townhall events during the presidential campaign was unscripted, down to many of the questions and the answers to those questions. Teleprompter screens at the events scrolled not only his opening remarks, but also statistics and information he could use to answer questions.
"It would be the same idea with the podium," says the adviser.
Obama had a teleprompter set up for his remarks last week, before taking questions, but the White House couldn't use the teleprompter for anything but the remarks, because the journalists were so close to the screens. Further complicating matters, teleprompter copy can't be easily updated in real time, in a setting like a White House press conference.

689 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:48:16am
690 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:48:16am
691 JacksonTn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:48:23am

re: #675 avanti

That's a distortion of his comment, as was pointed out months ago.

link.

Avanti ...does someone feed you talking points? ...You will never stop making excuses for Obama ...if you had been here during the campaign you would know what we know ...you were reading his books and lapping up the "story" of Obama ...he is a fraud/empty suit/marxist/racist ...I will never take that back ...NEVER ...

692 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:48:44am

re: #684 jaunte

Thanks for those links Jaunte.

693 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:48:46am

re: #621 Kenneth
Kenneth - undermine our valid criticisms TO WHOM? To us. Not to the Left. And given the popularity of the Bush-Hitler bullshit, apparently not to the MSM or some independents.

694 JacksonTn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:49:01am

re: #689 taxfreekiller

what are they paying you per hour?

Exactly ...

695 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:49:11am

re: #671 realwest

Uh, no, actually not. Quick, name the last five POTUS and tell me which was R and which was D? (Obama doesn't count as his voter base was either dead [ACORN] or brain dead).
Lemme help ya here: We had two George W's (and yeah I know he spent money like crazy, but he WAS fighting two wars and spending money on Katrina, the Indonesian Tsunami victims and the like), we had two Clintons, We had BushI and we had Ronnie twice. That gives R's a 16 and D's an 8.

true enough...I was referring to 2006/2008...I should have said so...the real test for conservatives obviously is 2010...if it doesnt turn around then I feel conservatism as a political ideology will become totally ineffective...I am not optimisic

696 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:49:41am

re: #666 taxfreekiller

Must have Citizenship to vote comes up tomorrow in the Texas State Senate, and ya, all the Democrats say, "that is bad, hurts old people",
blah, blah, blah, commie to the core the whole Democrat party,

they lust for illegals from Mexico life long commies to get the vote

facts count

Republicans in Texas here on lgf's call your Republican State Senators
tell them do not RINO now like Spector, Collins and Snowe.

[Link: www.texasonline.com...]

Hooray for third world medical conditions to spread like contagion! Yay.
/

697 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:50:11am

re: #690 Iron Fist

and he's apparently his biggest fan

He's clearly long been a legend in his own mind.

698 VegasRick  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:50:17am

re: #694 JacksonTn

Exactly ...

?

699 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:50:29am

So, I changed the channel to "Sunrise Earth" this morning (very pretty, Great Barrier Reef) after my wife left the house. She watches the Today Show.

Now, I can't find the remote. Been looking for it for over an hour.

If I do not find it before she gets home, I am in deep doo doo.

Those of you who pray? Pray for me.

700 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:50:36am

re: #630 taxfreekiller
Well of course it is my friend, after all, PELOSI wrote the bill.

701 jaunte  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:50:41am

Got to go to work now. See yez later.

702 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:51:02am

Yahoo's front page is just a big doggie lick for Obama.

[Link: www.yahoo.com...]

"Obama's going to save everyone with his.... plans."

703 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:51:32am

re: #690 Iron Fist

Obama and Mussolini are Both Leos

704 JacksonTn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:52:06am

re: #698 VegasRick

?

I have seen it all over the blogs during the campaign ...yes, there were some people who were actually paid for trolling sites to promote The One ...I doubt that is what Avanti is doing but he will make excuses for anything Obama does ...he read his books ...he told me so ...and believed every word ...and got on the Hope Bandwagon ...its his right to vote for whatever candidate he likes ...but it is my right to say what I want ...

705 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:52:11am

re: #703 Afrocity

Obama and Mussolini are Both Leos

Rut ro...

706 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:52:17am

re: #699 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude, wives don't get the remote. First rule of Guy Club.

707 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:52:21am

re: #703 Afrocity

Me too. Do I get free stuff? I also have an Obama mole.

708 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:52:32am

re: #690 Iron Fist

What about the 95% who are going to get a "tax cut", you ask? Simple. He'll give the tax cut with one hand, and then boost taxes across the board by letting Bush's tax cuts expire in 2010.

True. And the media will give his a pass.

709 SFGoth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:52:40am

re: #695 albusteve

true enough...I was referring to 2006/2008...I should have said so...the real test for conservatives obviously is 2010...if it doesnt turn around then I feel conservatism as a political ideology will become totally ineffective...I am not optimisic

2010 will not be enough time for it to turn around -- the country's going to hand Congress back to the idiots who are partly responsible for fucking it up in the first place? Nope, the Dems get at least a full presidential term, esp. with the Fundies taking over.

710 MJ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:52:48am

Geert Wilders Is a Test for Western Civilization
If Rushdie should be defended, why not the Dutch pol?

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

711 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:52:49am

re: #675 avanti

That's a distortion of his comment, as was pointed out months ago.

link.


I was not reffering to Dick Morris's comment.
In that 2001 radio interview on NPR Obama was an Illinois legislator.
He clearly bemoaned the fact that the CONSTITUTION did not address "Economic Justce" There was nothing said about the Supreme Court. He clearly criticised the US Costitution, I heard the entire interview replayed & it was an obvious reference to Redistribution of Wealth, which I'm sure that you will agree is a Marxist concept.

712 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:52:50am
713 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:52:55am

So Pat Robertson knows the mind of G-d? And those claims enable him to damn the people of Dover? Better be careful, Pat. Some day you may be subjected to the same harsh standards you apply to other people. And you may not make it. Remember who said "Judge not, that thou be not judged?"

714 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:53:03am
715 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:53:14am

re: #685 rightside

Yes, Presidents and governors do this. They sign with several pens, then give them as gifts or souvenirs to people, like those who helped with a particular piece of legislation.

I signed my rent check this month with 10 bic pens, anybody want one...nah I thought not...:)

716 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:53:20am

Obama is paying his bills...

ACORN Gets $2 Billion From “Ecnomic Stimulus” Spending Spree

717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:53:32am

re: #706 rawmuse

Mine does. My TV viewing has dropped 80% over the past year. Just don't care, unless it's a movie I want to see, or Mythbusters/Dirty Jobs.

718 taejohndo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:53:43am

re: #703 Afrocity

So, more money for timely trains is on the horizon?

719 VegasRick  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:53:45am

re: #704 JacksonTn

I have seen it all over the blogs during the campaign ...yes, there were some people who were actually paid for trolling sites to promote The One ...I doubt that is what Avanti is doing but he will make excuses for anything Obama does ...he read his books ...he told me so ...and believed every word ...and got on the Hope Bandwagon ...its his right to vote for whatever candidate he likes ...but it is my right to say what I want ...

Just got here, missed avanti's post, I'll look now.

720 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:54:08am

re: #675 avanti

That's a distortion of his comment, as was pointed out months ago.

link.

Media Matters. Brock / Podesta / Soros.


Come on read Obama's own words for yourself. We've all read Obama's interview in context.

721 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:54:09am

re: #703 Afrocity

Obama and Mussolini are Both Leos

Heh. I actually find more comparisons between the two than I am comfortable with.

722 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:54:09am

re: #699 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, I changed the channel to "Sunrise Earth" this morning (very pretty, Great Barrier Reef) after my wife left the house. She watches the Today Show.

Now, I can't find the remote. Been looking for it for over an hour.

If I do not find it before she gets home, I am in deep doo doo.

Those of you who pray? Pray for me.

Look under the bag of chips. :-)

723 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:54:16am

re: #661 Dustyvet
Good morning Dusty! "Obama Has Secret Plan to Fund a Patronage System" yeah, he really does. It's called the US Treasury.
No Sarc, either.

725 KenJen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:54:41am

re: #688 taejohndo

Man I wish I were a hacker. This would be my number one project.

726 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:54:49am

re: #708 FrogMarch

True. And the media will give HIM a pass.

727 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:55:26am

re: #675 avanti

That's a distortion of his comment, as was pointed out months ago.

link.

It's not a distortion of his thinking. As you were told when you posted that propoganda link previously, don't post to 'media matters' and think that gives you some sort of unbiased coverage.

Obama wants to take from me and my children and give that money to folks who did not earn it - in the name of fairness.

728 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:55:43am

re: #713 quickjustice

So Pat Robertson knows the mind of G-d? And those claims enable him to damn the people of Dover? Better be careful, Pat. Some day you may be subjected to the same harsh standards you apply to other people. And you may not make it. Remember who said "Judge not, that thou be not judged?"


Pat has Jesus on his speed dial.. The problem is it always goes to Voice mail

729 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:55:43am

This strikes me as crazy talk. An invisible deity is going to ignore an entire community for rejecting the theology associated with this invisible deity. Nutty.

730 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:55:45am

Some promising news: Obama's war on terror might resemble Bush's

731 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:55:45am

re: #718 taejohndo

re: #718 taejohndo

OT - What do you consider a "blowhard," since that is the way you describe long time Lizards on LGF, in your profile? Normally that term is a putdown? Just curious. Seems like a bad choice of words.

732 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:55:45am
733 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:56:04am

re: #714 buzzsawmonkey

Does that mean they are both into lion?

No, but both 0bama and Mussolini were into lyin'.

734 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:56:09am

Proud to be patriotic now.

One of the comments:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." And, “Democrats have accepted . . . ideas of Socialism cheerfully" - Norman Mattoon Thomas (1884—1968), leading 1928 American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America
735 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:56:16am
736 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:56:23am

re: #709 SFGoth

2010 will not be enough time for it to turn around -- the country's going to hand Congress back to the idiots who are partly responsible for fucking it up in the first place? Nope, the Dems get at least a full presidential term, esp. with the Fundies taking over.

have to at least break even or a little better in '10 then take it back in '12....it's a huge uphill fight tho

737 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:56:29am

re: #707 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Me too. Do I get free stuff? I also have an Obama mole.


Once National Health Care is enacted, "they'l" be implanting one of those into each of our brains!

738 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:56:33am

re: #723 realwest

Good morning Dusty! "Obama Has Secret Plan to Fund a Patronage System" yeah, he really does. It's called the US Treasury.
No Sarc, either.

Morning Realwest, I know...And it scares the hell out of me.

739 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:56:53am
740 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:57:03am

re: #631 avanti

The share the wealth comment was all about rolling back the Bush tax cuts to the rich to the Clinton levels. We've had a regressive tax plan for decades, so we've been "socialists" since the early part of the last century ? We've never had a flat tax in 100 years of the code, and the rich have been sharing since day one.

Correction: The US tax code is progressive, not regressive. (You probably meant that.)

But the true importance of Obama's "share the wealth" comment was the intent of his tax policy, not simply the structure. Historically, the progressive tax structure was used to raise more in tax revenue than a simple flat tax could achieve. The "Reaganomics" counter-argument for tax cuts was that by stimulating greater economic growth, lower tax rates actually produced greater tax revenue for the gov't.

Then along comes Obama who called for a more sharply progressive tax structure but not for the purpose of increasing tax revenue. Rather, for the first time in US history, a presidential candidate was basing his tax policy on income redistribution. He calls this "fairness". Obama has also employed a distortion of language calling gov't checks to people who pay no taxes "tax refunds" or "tax credits".

In Canada, during the Great Depression (an economic crisis Obama makes frequent reference to), the Social Credit Party came to power in several provinces on a similar platform with similar rhetoric: Standing up for the working man, sticking it to the banks (and to the nefarious Jews, of course), and a cash handout for everybody. The result was predictably disastrous.

Taken with his previous comments about "economic justice" and a picture of Obama's leftist economic philosophy clearly emerges. My opinion is that his economic policies are more Fascist than Marxist, but Leftist just the same.

741 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:57:26am
742 realwest  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:57:27am

Well y'all it's been grand but I gotta run and see some people, do some chores and the like.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

743 MJ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:57:29am

re: #724 J.D.

Britain's Surrender to Islamists
There is a direct link between the 'Rushdie Affair' and the Wilders ban.

Great quote from your link:

In October 2007, shortly after becoming prime minister, Gordon Brown gave a powerful speech on a central element of British identity: "From the time of Magna Carta," he said, " . . . there has been a British tradition of liberty -- what one writer has called our 'gift to the world.'" Mr. Brown's ill-advised tolerance of the intolerant is now threatening this treasured tradition.

744 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:57:38am

re: #717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mine does. My TV viewing has dropped 80% over the past year. Just don't care, unless it's a movie I want to see, or Mythbusters/Dirty Jobs.

How It's Made is pretty good

745 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:57:39am

re: #739 ploome hineni

from FOX newschannel

Ramsey Clark is back

suing to recover the remains of Geronimo

/

I thought he was dead? Gee ya learn something every day?

746 gregg  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:57:43am

re: #710 MJ

Someone over at The Corner was wondering if they will allow the Winston Churchill bust back into the country.

747 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:58:06am

re: #717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mine does. My TV viewing has dropped 80% over the past year. Just don't care, unless it's a movie I want to see, or Mythbusters/Dirty Jobs.

I've been watching NCIS lately..oh and another new show burn notice looked stupid but really..it was pretty good..

748 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:58:13am

re: #736 albusteve

have to at least break even or a little better in '10 then take it back in '12....it's a huge uphill fight tho

I have to agree with SFgoth. The "religious right" arm of the Republicans are quickly sliding right in in a effort to fill the "holes" they think the party has. This will backfire, and we may not see any advancement until 2012 or maybe even further.

749 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:58:28am

re: #746 gregg

Someone over at The Corner was wondering if they will allow the Winston Churchill bust back into the country.

Hum?

750 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:58:38am

re: #715 Dustyvet

If they're government pens, they're FREE!

751 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:58:44am

re: #731 Walter L. Newton

re: #718 taejohndo

OT - What do you consider a "blowhard," since that is the way you describe long time Lizards on LGF, in your profile? Normally that term is a putdown? Just curious. Seems like a bad choice of words.

Note that there is a sarc tag after that comment.

752 SFGoth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:59:00am

re: #736 albusteve

have to at least break even or a little better in '10 then take it back in '12....it's a huge uphill fight tho

Yeah, and I have to grow 4 inches taller to get chicks better. Ain't going to happen (so I dress well instead). The GOP may actually lose more seats as the RINOs get dumped.

753 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:59:18am

re: #751 Ford_Prefect

Note that there is a sarc tag after that comment.

Missed that. Ok, just curious.

754 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:59:39am

re: #710 MJ

Geert Wilders Is a Test for Western Civilization
If Rushdie should be defended, why not the Dutch pol?

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Stephens makes an excellent point, and does it very well indeed.

/Mercutio time

755 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:59:55am

re: #735 Iron Fist

Just about every modern firearm has the warning that "Misuse can cause injury or death" rollmarked somewhere conspicuous on it. I'm sure this is quite the revelation to people who bought a .357 magnum for its magickal healing powers.

Legal disclaimer. Damn fool shoots his own foot, the gun maker can say "told ya!"

756 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:00:10am

re: #739 ploome hineni

from FOX newschannel

Ramsey Clark is back

suing to recover the remains of Geronimo

/

Geronimo, however, remains at Fort Sill, buried under a spread-winged stone eagle in the Indian Cemetery, despite his often-expressed wish that he be allowed to return to the Arizona lands he loved.

[Link: www.findagrave.com...]

757 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:00:16am

re: #711 opnion

I was not reffering to Dick Morris's comment.
In that 2001 radio interview on NPR Obama was an Illinois legislator.
He clearly bemoaned the fact that the CONSTITUTION did not address "Economic Justce" There was nothing said about the Supreme Court. He clearly criticised the US Costitution, I heard the entire interview replayed & it was an obvious reference to Redistribution of Wealth, which I'm sure that you will agree is a Marxist concept.

Exactly. CBBHO's father pushed for %100 percent taxation in his communist writings. The 'acorn' / Obama, didn't fall far from that tree. This 'stimulu is full on theft. This stimulus is theft. The government is taking money from us and spending it in ways we would never spend it. That is theft. Obama is a thief amongst a den of thieves. Both sides (R) and (D) have dirt on this. The (R)'s are trying to hold a line but they should have formed the line a LONG time ago before this when they had a means with which to even do something.

We are in for it.

758 taejohndo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:00:27am

re: #731 Walter L. Newton

I didn't post for a number of months after I joined. So on my first post, I was accused of being a sock puppet, a troll, etc. So I put that into my profile. But I do think I put in the /sarc tag, didn't I?

759 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:00:31am

re: #634 Honorary Yooper

Fascism, Socialism & Marxism are not identical, nut they are not all that different. Europe today has embraced a melange of socialist nanny-statism, and an alliance of government & corporate consumerism.

760 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:00:43am

re: #716 NJDhockeyfan

Obama is paying his bills...

ACORN Gets $2 Billion From “Ecnomic Stimulus” Spending Spree

AAARGGG!

*SPLAT* (blood from my eyes to the monitor...)

761 MJ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:00:53am

re: #746 gregg

Someone over at The Corner was wondering if they will allow the Winston Churchill bust back into the country.

Only if her name is Caryl Churchill.

By the way, a theater in New York wants to stage Caryl Churchill's antisemitic play:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

762 abaleh  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:00:53am

re: #703 Afrocity

Obama and Mussolini are Both Leos

So's my Sister.
Should I be worried?

/

763 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:01:03am

re: #750 rightside

If they're government pens, they're FREE!

nope, Dollar General specials...:)

764 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:01:06am

re: #752 SFGoth

Yeah, and I have to grow 4 inches taller to get chicks better.

But not to get better chicks. The good ones wouldn't care.

765 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:01:11am

re: #735 Iron Fist


Or a drinking straw.

766 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:01:31am

re: #758 taejohndo

I didn't post for a number of months after I joined. So on my first post, I was accused of being a sock puppet, a troll, etc. So I put that into my profile. But I do think I put in the /sarc tag, didn't I?

Yes, I missed that, so I retract my question. Sorry.

767 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:01:43am

re: #733 Kosh's Shadow

No, but both 0bama and Mussolini were into lyin'.

Il Duce and Il Douche.

768 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:01:46am

re: #748 Walter L. Newton

I have to agree with SFgoth. The "religious right" arm of the Republicans are quickly sliding right in in a effort to fill the "holes" they think the party has. This will backfire, and we may not see any advancement until 2012 or maybe even further.

that's what I'm affraid of or worse...two terms...and if that happens maybe we will be sunk for decades...I don't know but it does seem more and more possible the left can kill off any meaningful opposition...I'm starting to get nervous about all this 'Patronage' stuff...it can happen

769 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:02:00am

re: #752 SFGoth

Yeah, and I have to grow 4 inches taller to get chicks better. Ain't going to happen (so I dress well instead). The GOP may actually lose more seats as the RINOs get dumped.

Problem is, instead of expanding we seem to be shrinking. Rightfully and justifiably so, we won't vote for RINO's and we're tossing the far righters, (be they extreme anti-jihadists, fundamentalist new earthers, the Coulters/Hannitys/ Jindals of the world) under the bus also.

770 Cato  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:02:01am

I had no idea that Pat Robertson was that big an idiot.

771 gregg  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:02:03am

re: #749 Nevergiveup

Here it is:

Nile, I agree with you that it's a terrible idea for Obama to return the bust of Churchill. On the other hand, it's unlikely that Home Secretary David Miliband would ever allow even the likeness of somebody so outrageously outspoken into Britain, so we may get to keep it after all.

772 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:02:22am

re: #690 Iron Fist

I'd take you one step further.

Obama is little more than [T]hugo Chavez.

He's a socialist to the core and isn't above demagoguery to get ahead. His economic policies are destructive and corrosive - as all socialist policies end up being. It undermines the market economy, and the socialist policies are instrumental in the ravaging of the real estate markets because of the desire to make housing affordable to all, they've set about rigging the system to force lending to those incapable of repaying (and then bailing them out to the tune of billions for bad business decisions and which has the effect of making those homes less affordable because of artificially propping up the local markets rather than allowing the market determine the price. Foreclosures aren't a bad thing in and of themselves, and yet we're racing towards yet another multibillion dollar bailout for people who are in distressed mortgage situations.

Hey, the last mortgage bailout didn't work and those who had their mortgages renegotiated were right back in distress six months later.

It's little different than the GM and Chrysler bailouts, which will never end. The government should never have extended the money in the first place, and it is not allowing those manufacturers to make the real decisions that can lead to long term profitability. Instead, the money goes to the unions who provide a backbone to the Democrat party and Obama.

The ACORN stuff and community organizing stuff all fits into the Chavez model as well.

As I am fond of saying, it's slouching towards socialism.

773 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:02:45am

re: #761 MJ

Only if her name is Caryl Churchill.

By the way, a theater in New York wants to stage Caryl Churchill's antisemitic play:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

And...?

774 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:02:48am
775 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:02:54am

I do tend to think that fundamental extremism often breeds command-and-control freaks who make it their sole purpose in life to control how everyone else lives and thinks.

Honestly, I see many of the same personality traits in these charismatic evangelical super-pastors like Robertson as I see in some of the more radical Imams. It's all about power, influence and control with these people, and religion is their vehicle of choice. They typically disguise it very well, outside of their target audiences.

This is a useful site:

[Link: www.theocracywatch.org...]

776 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:02:59am

re: #707 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Me too. Do I get free stuff? I also have an Obama mole.

I am a Leo too, but my point was Leo men are some of the world's most notorious political leaders.

Mussolini
Napoleon
Yassar Arafat (same b-day as obama)
Fidel Castro
Herbert Hoover
A. Schwarzennegger
Menachem Begin

777 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:03:00am

re: #752 SFGoth

Yeah, and I have to grow 4 inches taller to get chicks better. Ain't going to happen (so I dress well instead). The GOP may actually lose more seats as the RINOs get dumped.

yes...the donks seem to have us by the balls for awhile

778 taejohndo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:03:05am

re: #762 abaleh

So's my Sister.
Should I be worried?

/

Only if she works for AMTRAK. Or AMWAY. /s

779 SFGoth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:03:10am

re: #764 Ford_Prefect

But not to get better chicks. The good ones wouldn't care.

You're 5'8 too?

780 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:03:47am

re: #759 Kenneth

Marxism, the government takes the business owners out back and shoots them.

Socialism/Fascism, the government takes the business owners out to lunch and tells them what to do, or they will shoot them.

781 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:03:57am

re: #757 Oh no...Sand People!

What's most interesting is that not only did BHO's father want 100% taxation, but so did FDR, who Il Douche (I like that term for BHO) seems to admire. FDR had wanted 100% taxation on anyone earning over $100,000. This has been going on a long time with the Democrats.

782 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:04:01am

re: #771 gregg

Here it is:

Zero is replacing the Churchill bust with a Neville Chamberlain Bobblehead.....so it's all good.

783 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:04:03am

I still think what Obama is building is fascism, not socialism. For it to be socialism, he'd have to confiscate private property. And that would cause a revolution. [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

784 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:04:22am

re: #743 MJ

It's a sorry state.

785 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:04:27am

re: #731 Walter L. Newton

re: #718 taejohndo

OT - What do you consider a "blowhard," since that is the way you describe long time Lizards on LGF, in your profile? Normally that term is a putdown? Just curious. Seems like a bad choice of words.

Just asking, but isn't that a sarc tag after it?

786 gymmom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:04:30am

re: #751 Ford_Prefect

completely OT: My high school boyfriend had a very old ford prefect. The passenger seat had broken springs (not from anything I did in it!) so my point is - my back hurts every time I see your name.

787 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:04:45am

re: #776 Afrocity

I am a Leo too, but my point was Leo men are some of the world's most notorious political leaders.

Mussolini
Napoleon
Yassar Arafat (same b-day as obama)
Fidel Castro
Herbert Hoover
A. Schwarzennegger
Menachem Begin

I think your lion.

788 MJ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:04:55am

re: #773 Walter L. Newton

And...?

The play is a blood libel:

Caryl Churchill is acccused of "anti-Semitism"
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

789 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:05:02am

re: #766 Walter L. Newton

Yes, I missed that, so I retract my question. Sorry.

And to think all Robert Spencer had to do was something similar...is it that hard Robert? Seriously? That tough?

790 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:06:00am

re: #779 SFGoth

You're 5'8 too?

Used to be. Went to the Dr.'s recently and the nurse said I was 5' 6 1/2". WTF!

791 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:06:14am

re: #787 Ford_Prefect

I think your lion.

Stroke me and you will see that I am not.

792 Wishing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:06:22am

abaleh You are in Israel, aren't you?
I have a question about an employer, if you don't mind?

793 taejohndo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:06:30am

re: #766 Walter L. Newton

Yes, I missed that, so I retract my question. Sorry.

No problem. Lizards are a tough crowd who like to play smash mouth, pun and start boob threads. I just wish I could post/spend more time here.

After all, batting up to a good pun is the breast.

794 VioletTiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:06:48am

re: #703 Afrocity

Obama and Mussolini are Both Leos


So is my mother-in-law! Hmmmmmmmm

795 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:06:59am

re: #781 Honorary Yooper

What's most interesting is that not only did BHO's father want 100% taxation, but so did FDR, who Il Douche (I like that term for BHO) seems to admire. FDR had wanted 100% taxation on anyone earning over $100,000. This has been going on a long time with the Democrats.

Interesting how it's only law abiding citizens who will actually pay that tax and it will require cabinet nominations for us to find out that none of them on the other side are paying taxes NOW. Cough* Geithner* *CoughDaschle*....etc. etc.

796 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:07:00am

re: #716 NJDhockeyfan

Obama is paying his bills...

ACORN Gets $2 Billion From “Ecnomic Stimulus” Spending Spree

Paying the corrupt voter fraud cheats that helped him win. But of course.

797 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:07:03am

re: #693 realwest

I really don't give a damn about the leftists whining. I mean to the general public. The political middle. You will drive middle of the road voters away if you make Obama = Hitler comments. Furthermore, it cheapens the horrors of the Nazis & the Holocaust.

That said, I have no problem pointing out the socialist or fascist-like aspects of Obama's policies.

798 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:07:07am

re: #760 Oh no...Sand People!

Is that the sort of accountability Americans voted for when they elected Obama and Democrats?


Well, yes...clearly it is.

799 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:07:15am

re: #786 gymmom

completely OT: My high school boyfriend had a very old ford prefect. The passenger seat had broken springs (not from anything I did in it!) so my point is - my back hurts every time I see your name.

Well at least you didn't say I am a pain in the *ss. ;-)

800 SFGoth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:07:23am

re: #790 Ford_Prefect

Used to be. Went to the Dr.'s recently and the nurse said I was 5' 6 1/2". WTF!

Get a top hat! Maybe the nurse was playing a joke on you? Or maybe, Obama's really redistributing the wealth.

801 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:07:40am

re: #757 Oh no...Sand People!

Exactly. CBBHO's father pushed for %100 percent taxation in his communist writings. The 'acorn' / Obama, didn't fall far from that tree. This 'stimulu is full on theft. This stimulus is theft. The government is taking money from us and spending it in ways we would never spend it. That is theft. Obama is a thief amongst a den of thieves. Both sides (R) and (D) have dirt on this. The (R)'s are trying to hold a line but they should have formed the line a LONG time ago before this when they had a means with which to even do something.

We are in for it.


Ya just nailed it. Obama has had Marxist sympathies since high school.
It's in his memoir.
Yeah there are enough dirty hands. Now McCain has an epiphany?
He was all in during the Campaign. Could have something to do with hes reelection in Phoenix, but to Obama this is natural progression from capitalism to socialism

802 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:08:00am

re: #716 NJDhockeyfan

Obama is paying his bills...

ACORN Gets $2 Billion From “Ecnomic Stimulus” Spending Spree

I buy you a six pack if you can show that is true. The 2 billion figure to ACORN is total BS, do a word search of the bill for ACORN.

803 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:08:04am
804 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:08:20am

re: #762 abaleh

So's my Sister.
Should I be worried?

/

So's my hubby and I will say that he sometimes needs a whack upside the head when his ego goes all gnarly.

805 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:08:34am

re: #790 Ford_Prefect

Used to be. Went to the Dr.'s recently and the nurse said I was 5' 6 1/2". WTF!

Youtube Video
806 MJ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:08:54am

More on Caryl Churchill and British antisemitism
Long article but worth it:

Howard Jacobson: Let’s see the 'criticism' of Israel for what it really is

Emotions have run high over recent events in Gaza. And in this impassioned and searching essay, our writer argues that just below the surface runs a vicious strain of ancient prejudice

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

807 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:09:02am
808 abaleh  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:09:04am

re: #792 Wishing

abaleh You are in Israel, aren't you?
I have a question about an employer, if you don't mind?

go ahead (my e-mail should be in here somewhere).

809 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:09:05am

re: #780 rawmuse

Quite a few people were murdered by the fascists, too. Actually, the difference between fascism & communism is in the details of their economic policies. Their methods were very similar.

810 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:09:15am

re: #776 Afrocity

I am a Leo too, but my point was Leo men are some of the world's most notorious political leaders.

Mussolini
Napoleon
Yassar Arafat (same b-day as obama)
Fidel Castro
Herbert Hoover
A. Schwarzennegger
Menachem Begin

Ya know, come to think of it, one of the "neighbors" called me Hitler when I was president of the maintenance association, so...

811 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:09:34am

re: #791 Afrocity

Stroke me and you will see that I am not.

After a brief paws I decided that I manely trust you.

812 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:09:48am

re: #791 Afrocity

Stroke me and you will see that I am not.

GULP!,, (or as Jackie Gleason as Ralph Kramden would say)

HUMMINA HUMMINA HUMMINA HUMMINA!

813 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:10:01am

re: #770 Cato

I had no idea that Pat Robertson was that big an idiot.

At least that big.

814 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:10:05am

re: #798 J.D.

Well, yes...clearly it is.

Democrats know a good election tool when they see it. Acorn will be getting money til the last taxpayer is dead.

815 freetoken  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:10:13am

re: #615 DeafDog

Now, it's not "middle of the road." It's hard left economic thinking.

I accept "middle of the road" = "mainstream" thinking. You can try to put it on an ideological scale of left-right, with "left" being socialized wealth/risk and "right" being Laissez-faire, in which case I'd agree that current plans are "leftist" (though I don't know what you mean by "hard left.")

Still, my point remains... what Obama has proposed and is proposing is well within the mainstream of American politics. His adding to the US debt is completely expected as that is what his predecessors did, especially his immediate predecessor.

Prior to 2008, the govt. debt as a % of GDP has stayed relatively constant. Now, it is balloning.

At times the total debt percentage had been steady (as a percent of GDP), yes, but it always goes up in totaly value. (And therefore when GDP is going down, as it is now, the ratio has to go up.) And, there were times when growth in debt exceeded growth in GDP. ( But that begs the question about growth in GDP and how it is accounted.)

Second, the RTC actually made a small profit for the government. So saying that extending that model to the current situation involves increased borrowing is incorrect.

Whatever is finally agreed for the banks, similar to the RTC the current assets (that are material, like houses that are mortgaged) will still be around to be sold later by the gov't. While it is not impossible for the gov't to come out with a small profit this time around, I believe it is unlikely.

However, even with the RTC, going into the dissolution of the S&L industry are you saying the gov't knew for sure that the RTC could recover all the costs? From my memory (and this was 20 years ago) it seemed the gov't acted to (1) save whatever assets it could, and (2) to calm the nerves of people; the gov't did not go into the whole S&L dissolution (and RTC establishment) with the goal of making money. (Are you claiming it did?) It was a government action to bring about stability.

That is why I drew the parallel to today's situation. The US citizenry accepted the gov't to be the actor in the case of the S&Ls. (And yes, the final outcome did not prove to be a financial disaster for the taxpayer.) Today, Americans are expecting the gov't to be the actor. That doesn't make them hard leftists.

Finally, before spending our childeren's $, don't you think it makes more sense to encourage private investments?

And how do you plan on doing that? We've already seen various foreign entities try to buy in and prop up big banks. Are you thinking that Dubai, Qatar, Kuwait or Abu Dhabi will come in with more $$? Are you expecting private citizens in this country to pick up new bonds issued by the banks? In either case, how would that help the problem of the (apparently extremely) large set of non-performing loans that have to be dealt with?

My friend, the horse left the barn a long time ago. Keynes won long before Obama won. We accept that the gov't spends money, in large quantities, as a means of social welfare and to influence the general economy. There are very few individuals in the Congress who don't fully embrace that (though some may demagogue otherwise.)

816 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:10:24am
817 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:10:48am

re: #797 Kenneth

I really don't give a damn about the leftists whining. I mean to the general public. The political middle. You will drive middle of the road voters away if you make Obama = Hitler comments. Furthermore, it cheapens the horrors of the Nazis & the Holocaust.

That said, I have no problem pointing out the socialist or fascist-like aspects of Obama's policies.

the whole point of the MM link was simply to point out the hypocricy of the left...of course issues evolve...I was aghast when I starting hearing Hitler comparisons after 2000 and I still am...it's wrong nomatter who it's applied to...very juvenile as well

818 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:11:08am

re: #802 avanti

I buy you a six pack if you can show that is true. The 2 billion figure to ACORN is total BS, do a word search of the bill for ACORN.

The bill isn't label SOCIALISM for AMERICA.
But that doesn't change what it is.

819 gymmom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:11:10am

re: #814 Oh no...Sand People!

but still registering voters!

820 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:11:21am

re: #759 Kenneth

Fascism, Socialism & Marxism are not identical, nut they are not all that different. Europe today has embraced a melange of socialist nanny-statism, and an alliance of government & corporate consumerism.

Right, but to a Marxist, Democratic Socialism is not acceptable, because the people can rebel at the ballot box & opt for an open economy.
A Marxist must conrol the political process as well as the economic.

821 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:11:34am

re: #783 quickjustice

I still think what Obama is building is fascism, not socialism. For it to be socialism, he'd have to confiscate private property. And that would cause a revolution. [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

He seems to be making an attempt at recreating the New Deal. The New Deal was effectively a form of fascism with its controls on wages and prices, and what a business owner could do. There were several in the FDR aadministration who expressed admiration for Mussolini. One of these was Hough Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration (NRA) (authorized by the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA)). Johnson was a fervern admirer of Mussolini and his economic policies. Through the NRA, he attempted to recreate them here. He created a "voluntary" system of wage and price controls for businesses to adhere to. These businesses usually posted a sign with a blue eagle on them. Businesses that did not adhere to these standards were forced out of business, and their owners were prosecuted and put in jail. This did not stop until the Supreme Court declared the NIRA unconstitutional. Then came the court packing plan.

822 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:11:35am

re: #793 taejohndo

No problem. Lizards are a tough crowd who like to play smash mouth, pun and start boob threads. I just wish I could post/spend more time here.

After all, batting up to a good pun is the breast.

And th' bunting is the breast of all.

/making it the butt of a joke

823 Wishing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:11:48am

abaleh..email sent, thanks!

824 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:12:05am

How does one do a word search on a pdf file?

825 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:12:42am

re: #781 Honorary Yooper

What's most interesting is that not only did BHO's father want 100% taxation, but so did FDR, who Il Douche (I like that term for BHO) seems to admire. FDR had wanted 100% taxation on anyone earning over $100,000. This has been going on a long time with the Democrats.

Here's the marginal top tax rates since the inception of the income tax. When first instituted, the top rate was 7%. At its highest, it was 94% (during WWII). Until the 1960s, the rate was 87% (87% of statutory taxable income). JFK cut the rate to 70%. Reagan cut the top tax rate to 50%. GWB cut the rate to 35%. And yet we get an unending call for still higher taxes on the rich (which keeps being defined downward), even as the bottom 50% of people don't pay taxes at all, and many of those are about to receive welfare checks - not rebates or refunds on taxes paid as part of the porkfest.

826 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:12:59am

re: #822 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And th' bunting is the breast of all.

/making it the butt of a joke

Too many people cracking wise here. It's time to turn the other cheek.

827 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:13:01am

re: #814 Oh no...Sand People!

Democrats know a good election tool when they see it. Acorn will be getting money til the last taxpayer is dead.

You bet!

828 Wishing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:13:19am

re: #824 rawmuse

One doesn't as far as I know. You have to convert it to another format.

829 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:13:21am

re: #805 Dustyvet

Thanks. I feel so much better now. //

830 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:13:46am

re: #801 opnion

Ya just nailed it. Obama has had Marxist sympathies since high school.
It's in his memoir.
Yeah there are enough dirty hands. Now McCain has an epiphany?
He was all in during the Campaign. Could have something to do with hes reelection in Phoenix, but to Obama this is natural progression from capitalism to socialism

I am reading "the Prince' by Machiavelli...

We are being played like instruments, I didn't need the book to tell me that though.

831 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:13:51am

re: #824 rawmuse

How does one do a word search on a pdf file?

ctrl-F will bring up the search function.

832 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:14:09am

re: #802 avanti

I buy you a six pack if you can show that is true. The 2 billion figure to ACORN is total BS, do a word search of the bill for ACORN.

PDF link to the bill

I'm not going to itemize them, but the bill is filled with various tidbits that Acorn will be applying for. If you do not see that, you are delusional.

833 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:14:23am

re: #681 Miss Trixie

Linked for you... thanks for the tip!

Alberta cabinet minister: HRC acting like a "kangaroo court"

"(Albertans) should have the ability to say what they say and somebody should have their ability to have the counter argument. That is what a free and open society does. Let's get away from trying to mediate everybody's feelings."

834 JacksonTn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:14:29am

re: #802 avanti

I buy you a six pack if you can show that is true. The 2 billion figure to ACORN is total BS, do a word search of the bill for ACORN.

ACORN may want the people on the ground to be ignorant ...but the people who are at the top are Slick and will use warm and fuzzy words to make it sound so nice ...just like Pelosi, et al ...why say "Socialist" when "Progressive" sounds so much more comforting ...THEY ARE ALL FULL OF BULLCRAP WAKE UP AND REALIZE IT ...

835 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:14:34am

re: #829 Ford_Prefect

Thanks. I feel so much better now. //

Sorry, but if you get really small avoid cats at all costs...:)

836 lurking faith  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:14:42am

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

They appear to believe in magic. They figure that if they just wish hard enough, fabulous new sources of cheap, clean energy will appear out of nowhere, without our having to do all that messy, expensive, time-consuming R&D.

Sorry, leftists, but TANSTAAFL.

837 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:14:48am

re: #828 Wishing

One doesn't as far as I know. You have to convert it to another format.

That is what I thought. All I have is a pdf. I will be damned if I am going to print it out and scan 1400 pages for OCR.

838 Wishing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:14:54am

re: #831 jcm

ctrl-F will bring up the search function.

WOW! Thanks! I didn't know that! Terrific!

839 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:14:55am

re: #826 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Too many people cracking wise here. It's time to turn the other cheek.

I hope LGF's web pages are being stored for posterior in some Internet archive

840 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:15:09am

A theater in NYC is putting on an anti-semitic play? The horror!/

As a New Yorker, I can only shrug. This is the Soviet Socialist Republic of New York, long time hangout of commies and radicals of all stripes. There's an apartment building in the Bronx built by a communist collective in the 1930s that has miniature hammers and cycles embedded in the mortar surrounding the brickwork. It's quite a piece of work. And plenty of New York Jews whose children now are neo-cons were themselves Trotskyites and Socialist Revolutionaries. The NYU library has the collection of their writings.

Nothing surprises me about NYC politics. Literally nothing.

841 UFO TOFU  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:15:12am

re: #816 taxfreekiller

Not a word in the stimulus bill that tells you that La Raza atty's prepared most of the bill for Pelosi's staff.

What are they getting out of it?

842 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:15:30am

re: #812 sattv4u2

Are you on the LGF facebook page?

By the way I tried to comment and it kept asking me to type in word scrambles

843 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:15:49am

re: #832 DeafDog

PDF link to the bill

I'm not going to itemize them, but the bill is filled with various tidbits that Acorn will be applying for. If you do not see that, you are delusional.

ACORN will get whatever they need...period...words don't mean shit, call it whatever you want...imo delusional still means what it means tho

844 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:15:50am

re: #840 quickjustice

Nothing surprises me about NYC politics. Literally nothing.


Even California politics?

845 Wishing  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:16:19am

re: #842 Afrocity

Are you on the LGF facebook page?

By the way I tried to comment and it kept asking me to type in word scrambles

We have a facebook page? Who knew.

846 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:16:39am

re: #845 Wishing

We have a facebook page? Who knew.

We have a facebook page? Who knew.

847 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:16:46am

re: #802 avanti

I buy you a six pack if you can show that is true. The 2 billion figure to ACORN is total BS, do a word search of the bill for ACORN.

That would be my opinion also, but even if they got 2 cents, that is 2 cents to much.

848 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:16:52am

re: #822 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A small ball pun. Most impressive. I'd call it a home run but that is too obvious.

849 VioletTiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:16:59am

re: #790 Ford_Prefect

Used to be. Went to the Dr.'s recently and the nurse said I was 5' 6 1/2". WTF!


Maybe it was a bad day and you were slouching?

I'm only 5'2", the product of many generations of small sicilians. In my family, 5'5" is like a giant!

850 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:17:05am

re: #842 Afrocity

Are you on the LGF facebook page?

By the way I tried to comment and it kept asking me to type in word scrambles


No, I am not.

851 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:17:14am

re: #820 opnion

Marxists & Fascists share that principle: absolute control & domination of the political process. This is how China shifted from a Marxist state to a Fascist state. Somebody once said the difference between Socialism and Marxism is only the degree of enthusiasm.

852 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:17:14am

re: #835 Dustyvet

Sorry, but if you get really small avoid cats at all costs...:)

I already do. I am more of a dog person.

853 Lincolntf  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:17:33am

re: #756 Dustyvet

Good morning all.

Dustyvet,
That's whre I went to Basic and AIT. I remember the area that we rappeled in was across from a big cliff that people claimed Geronimo had ridden his horse off, giving rise to the tradition of yelling out "Geronimo" when jumping from a great height. I presume that that's just a quaint legend, but I could be wrong.

854 VioletTiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:17:49am

re: #824 rawmuse

How does one do a word search on a pdf file?

Change it back to a word file in Acrobat.

855 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:17:55am

re: #846 J.D.

We have a facebook page? Who knew.

We need to do something about the acoustics in here, there's one hell of an echo...:)


/s

856 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:18:00am

re: #840 quickjustice

A theater in NYC is putting on an anti-semitic play? The horror!/

As a New Yorker, I can only shrug. This is the Soviet Socialist Republic of New York, long time hangout of commies and radicals of all stripes. There's an apartment building in the Bronx built by a communist collective in the 1930s that has miniature hammers and cycles embedded in the mortar surrounding the brickwork. It's quite a piece of work. And plenty of New York Jews whose children now are neo-cons were themselves Trotskyites and Socialist Revolutionaries. The NYU library has the collection of their writings.

Nothing surprises me about NYC politics. Literally nothing.

They just allowed their leader to eliminate term limits. I moved away from there two years ago, increased my square footage by 600, and my monthly take home by $1,000

857 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:18:11am

re: #830 Oh no...Sand People!

I am reading "the Prince' by Machiavelli...

We are being played like instruments, I didn't need the book to tell me that though.

No, I think that we have it, but having your beliefs reinforced is a little bit disturbing in this case. I am going to reread Atlas Shrugged.

858 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:18:14am

re: #851 Kenneth

Marxists & Fascists share that principle: absolute control & domination of the political process. This is how China shifted from a Marxist state to a Fascist state. Somebody once said the difference between Socialism and Marxism is only the degree of enthusiasm.

how true...I like that one

859 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:18:20am

re: #842 Afrocity

re: #850 sattv4u2

No, I am not.

Like the others stated, I didn;t knwo we had one

That stated, i'm so puter ignorant that if we DID have one I would have no clue as to what to do with it

860 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:18:23am

re: #852 Ford_Prefect

I already do. I am more of a dog person.

Oh cools...:)

861 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:18:59am

re: #797 Kenneth

Yes, the Obama=Hitler thing does cheapen the Holocaust and also WWII. However, one must also separate Nazi racism from fascism. Fascism had existed previous to Nazi racism's control of Germany. Italy did not persecute Jews (and others) to the extent of Germany by 1938, and had been fascist for about 17 years at that point. Franco's Spain never really went after religious and ethnic minorities as much either. Both were more interested in destroying their socialist and Marxist enemies as well as keeping classical liberals at bay.

862 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:19:22am

re: #852 Ford_Prefect

I already do. I am more of a dog person.

That explains you drinking out of the toilet !

//

863 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:19:29am

re: #848 TaeJohnDo

A small ball pun. Most impressive. I'd call it a home run but that is too obvious.

In shortstop it!

864 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:19:34am

re: #802 avanti

I buy you a six pack if you can show that is true. The 2 billion figure to ACORN is total BS, do a word search of the bill for ACORN.

The figure comes from the billions in the stimulus package for neighborhood stabilization programs and Community Development Block Grants under the Department of Housing and Urban Development. It is money meant for community organizations who undertake such efforts. That means that some portion of the $4 billion will go to ACORN.

More here.

865 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:19:34am

Time to get the hell out of Dodge Dubai

Why have there been 3,000 cars abandoned at the Dubai airport?

Couldn't happen to a nicer place.

866 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:19:52am

re: #819 gymmom

but still registering voters!

I only have on upding to give.

We were so busy pointing fingers amongst our own as to why we lost but when 'Henry Finkleston' born in 1875 has voted in every Presidential election since the flood of 1928, where he lost his can of water soup and drowned diving in after it, all straight party 'D's...how can we compete? Seriously. How? I really don't expect a future win in a LONG time...it will have to be soo decisive that no amount of dead voting will stop the results.

We think about Acorn and voter fraud and just kind of brush it aside, but I really believe we have NO idea how deep the fraud goes.

867 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:20:03am

re: #821 Honorary Yooper

Amity Shlaes's "Forgotten Man: A History of the Great Depression". A must read.

868 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:20:08am

re: #839 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I hope LGF's web pages are being stored for posterior in some Internet archive

It's all stored on an associated site.

869 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:20:20am

re: #851 Kenneth

Marxists & Fascists share that principle: absolute control & domination of the political process. This is how China shifted from a Marxist state to a Fascist state. Somebody once said the difference between Socialism and Marxism is only the degree of enthusiasm.


That's exctly right. Karl Hagle the father of the Left & Right in political thought said that if the sides go far enough at some point they meet.

870 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:20:26am

re: #840 quickjustice

The Decline of California
They still think they can tax their way out of this one.

If you thought Washington's stimulus debate was depressing, take a look at the long-running budget spectacle in California. The Golden State's deficit has reached $42 billion, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is threatening to furlough 20,000 state workers (go ahead, make our day), and as we went to press yesterday Democrats who control the legislature had blocked lawmakers from leaving until they finally get a deal.

It's sad to watch. The Golden State -- which a decade ago was the booming technology capital of the world -- has been done in by two decades of chronic overspending, overregulating and a hyperprogressive tax code that exaggerates the impact on state revenues of economic boom and bust. Total state expenditures have grown to $145 billion in 2008 from $104 billion in 2003 and California now has the worst credit rating in the nation -- worse even than Louisiana's. It also has the nation's fourth highest unemployment rate of 9.3% (after Michigan, Rhode Island and South Carolina) and the second highest home foreclosure rate (after Nevada). ...

871 KenJen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:20:26am

re: #852 Ford_Prefect

I already do. I am more of a dog person.

Speaking of dogs. Have the Obamas adopted one yet?

872 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:20:38am

re: #862 sattv4u2

That explains you drinking out of the toilet !

//

My wife hates when I do that. :-)

873 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:21:04am

re: #855 Dustyvet

We need to do something about the acoustics in here, there's one hell of an echo...:)

/s

:-D

874 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:21:06am

re: #849 VioletTiger

Maybe it was a bad day and you were slouching?

I'm only 5'2", the product of many generations of small sicilians. In my family, 5'5" is like a giant!

5'2"! In my house, we'd ask you to get things off the high shelves.

875 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:21:15am

re: #745 Nevergiveup

I thought he was dead? Gee ya learn something every day?

How do you tell the difference?

876 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:21:19am

re: #839 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I hope LGF's web pages are being stored for posterior in some Internet archive

The anals of history will prove us correct.

877 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:21:26am

re: #853 Lincolntf

Good morning all.

Dustyvet,
That's whre I went to Basic and AIT. I remember the area that we rappeled in was across from a big cliff that people claimed Geronimo had ridden his horse off, giving rise to the tradition of yelling out "Geronimo" when jumping from a great height. I presume that that's just a quaint legend, but I could be wrong.

I think it's a legend...Only the army would come up with a story like that...:) I did my AIT at Fort Sill in 1967.

878 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:21:32am

re: #870 J.D.

The Decline of California
They still think they can tax their way out of this one.

Of course our legislature thinks they can tax their way out of deficits. Cutting spending is for the little people.

879 MJ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:21:40am

re: #871 KenJen

Speaking of dogs. Have the Obamas adopted one yet?

They already have two lap dogs:
The media and the Congress.

880 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:21:41am

re: #818 jcm

The bill isn't label SOCIALISM for AMERICA.
But that doesn't change what it is.

The ACORN 2 billion is a simple twist of the facts just like the 30 million for the deer mouse BS. The 2 billion goes to community development, a small percentage will go to renovating abandoned homes. ACORN is one of the non profits that does that renovation so they "may" win some bids of millions, but not billions of dollars. All the money spent and where it goes will be posted on the net so you can track it.
The same with the deer mouse, 30 million goes to wetland restoration, the deer mouse happens to live in a wetland, so the spin goes that we're spending 30 million on a mouse. Same line of crap both sides throw out at each other.

881 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:22:01am

re: #875 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

How do you tell the difference?

His lips move

882 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:22:12am

re: #863 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In shortstop it!

Making a pitch for another pun strike, are you? Well. I have to warm up and get to work, so I'm sorry I have to dugout of here. Take care!

883 gymmom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:22:16am

re: #866 Oh no...Sand People!

I'm in the Cleveland area and there were stories in the local paper about ACORN registering people > 10 times and paying them. NO ONE CARED! I don't get it.

884 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:22:17am

re: #565 buzzsawmonkey

I'm working on a blog post, but here's the Daily News report (the comments are priceless). It's as though they simply took the most extreme figures from the IPCC reports, threw in a little "Day After Tomorrow" nonsense, and dabbled pixie dust to claim that the scientists are in agreement that this will happen.

The City funded this monstrosity of a study, with the goal of finding global warming. They found it. No surprise there. You get what you paid for.

885 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:22:20am

re: #856 Afrocity

They just allowed their leader to eliminate term limits. I moved away from there two years ago, increased my square footage by 600, and my monthly take home by $1,000

And my bottom line would be, it's theatre. While I probably wouldn't agree with anything in the work, I certainly wouldn't like to see works banned because they rub someone the wrong way.

Of course, my opinion is coming from someone who makes his living in live theatre, but still, I assure you I would feel the same way no matter what I did for a living.

Would I be involved on a project like this piece, no, that's the freedom I have, as much as they have the freedom to produce this.

886 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:22:20am

re: #871 KenJen

Speaking of dogs. Have the Obamas adopted one yet?

Yes. They named it Michelle.
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.
.
I know, that was bad. Bad Ford! Bad!

887 J.S.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:22:27am

re: #837 rawmuse

That is what I thought. All I have is a pdf. I will be damned if I am going to print it out and scan 1400 pages for OCR.

If you're using the free Adobe reader for pdf files, there is a "find" feature...(there's a drop-down box at the top, right-hand side, you type in the word to find, then the document is searched...there are also a number of tools to modify your search -- match whole word, etc.)

888 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:22:34am

re: #871 KenJen

Speaking of dogs. Have the Obamas adopted one yet?

Yet another unkept campaign promise

889 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:22:44am

re: #865 Ward Cleaver

I love the text:

You had to know it was going to end. Dubai's storied boom is starting to falter as the worldwide economic woes catch up with the nation's real estate and financial services-fueled good times. Abandoned cars are beginning to pile up at Dubai International Airport as overextended expatriates flee. Dubai throws debtors in the pokey, and if you lose your job, they yank your visa; two good reasons to drive to the airport and leave your maxed out credit cards on the passenger seat with an "I'm sorry" note. 3,000 cars are reportedly stockpiled at the airport so far, and with reports of 1,500 visas a day being cancelled, there may be a lot of dusty, cut rate luxury cars available for closeout prices.

Maybe GM could buy and resell them.

890 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:23:11am

re: #27 Dustyvet

A Purple Heart proves three things: you were smart enough to think of a plan, stupid enough to try it, and lucky enough to survive.

10 second fuses only last 7 seconds. Anything you do can get you shot, even doing nothing. Claymores are labeled "This side toward enemy" for a reason. Don't draw fire, it irritates the people around you.

Don't ever be the first, don't ever be the last and don't ever, ever volunteer to do anything.

Don't look conspicuous: it draws fire. If it's stupid but works, it really isn't stupid. If the enemy is in range, so are you. If the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is *not* our friend. If you can't remember, the claymore is pointed at you. If your attack is going well, you have walked into an ambush. Incoming fire has the right of way.

It is generally unadvisable to eject directly over the area you just bombed. Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out. Mines are equal opportunity weapons. Never share a fox hole with anyone braver than you. Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous. Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy someone else to shoot at. The easy way is always mined.

The enemy invariably attacks on one of two occasions: a. When you're not ready for them. b. When you're ready for them. Either time is inconvenient and generally a bummer.

The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire. The quartermaster has only two sizes: too large and too small. Try to look unimportant, they may be low on ammo. When in doubt empty the magazine.

Murphy was a grunt.

891 Lincolntf  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:23:24am

re: #877 Dustyvet

I was there in '91. It's still as lush and beautiful as ever.

892 aussiemagpie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:23:30am

Goodnight {everyone} and have a wonderful yesterday!

Someone mentioned the Great Barrier Reef upthread.....

893 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:23:38am

re: #870 J.D.

The Decline of California
They still think they can tax their way out of this one.

and they are fleeing to NM by the boatload....I hope the disease doesnt make it worse here than it already is

894 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:23:38am

re: #879 MJ

They already have two lap dogs:
The media and the Congress.

Your answer was much nicer than mine.

895 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:23:49am

re: #878 acwgusa

Of course our legislature thinks they can tax their way out of deficits. Cutting spending is for the little people.

Everybody knows that!

/need I?

896 VegasRick  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:23:52am

re: #871 KenJen

Speaking of dogs. Have the Obamas adopted one yet?

They got three, named Specter, Collins and Snowe.

897 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:24:11am

re: #880 avanti

All the money spent and where it goes will be posted on the net so you can track it.

I have some oceanfront property in Kansas I'll sell you cheap

898 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:24:25am

re: #886 Ford_Prefect

Yes. They named it Michelle.
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I know, that was bad. Bad Ford! Bad!

No biscuit.

899 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:24:27am

re: #890 Dark_Falcon

Murphy was a grunt.

Yup...:)

900 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:24:27am

re: #867 quickjustice

Amity Shlaes's "Forgotten Man: A History of the Great Depression". A must read.

It's on my list to purchase. Every time I'm at the bookstore, I lose myself in it.

901 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:24:32am

re: #844 J.D.

The New Yorkers aren't as crazy as the Californians, but it's only a matter of degree, not kind. I do envy California's power of initiative and referendum, however. I'd love to kick the NYS legislature soundly in the a-- using I & R.

902 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:24:37am

re: #880 avanti

The ACORN 2 billion is a simple twist of the facts just like the 30 million for the deer mouse BS. The 2 billion goes to community development, a small percentage will go to renovating abandoned homes. ACORN is one of the non profits that does that renovation so they "may" win some bids of millions, but not billions of dollars. All the money spent and where it goes will be posted on the net so you can track it.
The same with the deer mouse, 30 million goes to wetland restoration, the deer mouse happens to live in a wetland, so the spin goes that we're spending 30 million on a mouse. Same line of crap both sides throw out at each other.

The total is for $4B for Neighborhood Stabilization Programs and Community Development Block Grants.

Who has ties to both Obama and Donovan?

I give you one guess.

903 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:24:38am

re: #880 avanti

The ACORN 2 billion is a simple twist of the facts just like the 30 million for the deer mouse BS. The 2 billion goes to community development, a small percentage will go to renovating abandoned homes. ACORN is one of the non profits that does that renovation so they "may" win some bids of millions, but not billions of dollars. All the money spent and where it goes will be posted on the net so you can track it.
The same with the deer mouse, 30 million goes to wetland restoration, the deer mouse happens to live in a wetland, so the spin goes that we're spending 30 million on a mouse. Same line of crap both sides throw out at each other.

The point being the money shouldn't have even been made available to be allocated in the first place.
/'Community development' via the 'Community Organizer'. Hooray!

904 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:24:41am

re: #880 avanti

The ACORN 2 billion is a simple twist of the facts just like the 30 million for the deer mouse BS. The 2 billion goes to community development, a small percentage will go to renovating abandoned homes. ACORN is one of the non profits that does that renovation so they "may" win some bids of millions, but not billions of dollars. All the money spent and where it goes will be posted on the net so you can track it.
The same with the deer mouse, 30 million goes to wetland restoration, the deer mouse happens to live in a wetland, so the spin goes that we're spending 30 million on a mouse. Same line of crap both sides throw out at each other.

Well, if there is going to be so much "transparency" in the spending (which, up to now has been nil), I guess we can check back later and see who benefits from that 2 billion.

Willing to take a bet on who gets most of those funds? I am.

905 VioletTiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:25:23am

re: #865 Ward Cleaver
I read that the foreign wrkers are leaving in droves. Projects are canceled as oil goes south.

906 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:25:31am

re: #892 aussiemagpie

Goodnight {everyone} and have a wonderful yesterday!

Someone mentioned the Great Barrier Reef upthread.....

Nite Maggie.

907 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:25:32am

re: #893 albusteve

and they are fleeing to NM by the boatload....I hope the disease doesnt make it worse here than it already is

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but give it time...

*sigh*

908 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:25:56am

re: #817 albusteve

Yes, the KosKids outrage is appallingly hypocritical. Even more ironic now that Obama has apparently decided to keep many of Bush's policies in the War on Terror.

1. Kept same Sec Def Gates
2. Kept Petraeus at Cent-Com
3. Order to study closing Gitmo. Eventually. Trials for terrorists, but no habeus corpus. This was essentially the same policy as Bush.
4. Delaying Iraqi withdrawal. Obama campaigned on "16 month" pledge. But every month he delays ordering it, is another month longer "occupation". In the end, the US will leave when the job is done. Just like Bush said.
5. Ordered a ban on waterboarding and "torture" but will keep some "enhanced interrogation methods". Same as Bush (he banned waterboading in 2006).
6. Obama decided to continue the policy of extraordinary rendition. Just like Bush. Just like Clinton.

909 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:25:59am

re: #893 albusteve

and they are fleeing to NM by the boatload....I hope the disease doesnt make it worse here than it already is

I went to school in NM, but I'm fleeing to Nevada. My sister fled to Colorado from New York a year ago.

910 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:26:03am

re: #825 lawhawk

Here's the marginal top tax rates since the inception of the income tax. When first instituted, the top rate was 7%. At its highest, it was 94% (during WWII). Until the 1960s, the rate was 87% (87% of statutory taxable income). JFK cut the rate to 70%. Reagan cut the top tax rate to 50%. GWB cut the rate to 35%. And yet we get an unending call for still higher taxes on the rich (which keeps being defined downward), even as the bottom 50% of people don't pay taxes at all, and many of those are about to receive welfare checks - not rebates or refunds on taxes paid as part of the porkfest.

Obama blew it by saying he wanted to go back to the Clinton 37% rate, he should have said he wanted to cut taxes from the Reagan 50% level and that would have confused the right. :)

911 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:26:13am

re: #868 Ford_Prefect

It's all stored on an associated site.

Kudos to whomever set up that site!
Blue-ribbon, first-class person!
Why ... if I saw him hitch-hiking, I'd give hemorrhoid without hesitation!

912 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:26:21am

re: #887 J.S.

Thanks a bunch for the suggestion. Lawhawk pointed out the pages I was looking for. While ACORN is not mentioned by name (like the beast whose name must not be spoken) it will be abundantly funded, while not being named directly.

913 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:26:28am

re: #886 Ford_Prefect

Yes. They named it Michelle.
.
.
.
.
I know, that was bad. Bad Ford! Bad!

Actually, the problem is that they haven't found a dog that will accept Michelle as alpha bitch.

914 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:26:46am

Headline at WaPo but no story: Court Overturns Ruling That Would Have Transferred Guantanamo Detainees to U.S.

Anyone have anything on this?

915 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:27:02am

re: #898 MrSilverDragon

No biscuit.

I know. Anyone have a rolled up newspaper I can borrow?

916 UFO TOFU  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:28:11am

re: #878 acwgusa

Cutting spending is for the little people.


Wasn't it Arnold that said "California doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem"?

917 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:28:16am

re: #914 Creeping Eruption

Headline at WaPo but no story: Court Overturns Ruling That Would Have Transferred Guantanamo Detainees to U.S.

Anyone have anything on this?

Not yet, but it sounds good to me!

918 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:28:20am

re: #869 opnion

That's exctly right. Karl Hagle the father of the Left & Right in political thought said that if the sides go far enough at some point they meet.

But that is the whole point: Fascism is NOT right wing, it is a Leftist. Fascism is not the opposite of Communism, just a rival leftist ideology.

919 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:28:41am

re: #871 KenJen

Speaking of dogs. Have the Obamas adopted one yet?

They will never get a dog. They had no intentions of doing so for religious reasons. That is the Chicago buzz.

re: #913 Kosh's Shadow

LOL

920 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:28:54am

re: #815 freetoken

Huh? You start with a conclusion and call that reasoning? It's a circular argument.

What Obama passed in the name of "stimulous" to the economy will not stimulate. It will do the opposite by crowding out private capital from the deb markets. It does not represent 'mainstream' thinking, either. It represents a candy-store mentality.

As an alternative, I would suggest that we encourage private capital to enter the market:

1. Remove mark to market provisions
2. Reduce capital gains tax rates on the buying and holding these assets
3. Allow bad banks, companies and indivuuals to fail. The short term pain will be worse, perhaps, but we will get to the bottom quicker and start to rebuild.

921 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:28:58am

re: #904 Walter L. Newton

Well, if there is going to be so much "transparency" in the spending (which, up to now has been nil), I guess we can check back later and see who benefits from that 2 billion.

Willing to take a bet on who gets most of those funds? I am.

I'll take a side bet on that that the transparency won't be so transparent. Oh, there'll be a list, but with so much interesting math that figuring out what went where and how much will be impossible to agree on.

922 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:29:14am

re: #882 TaeJohnDo

Making a pitch for another pun strike, are you? Well. I have to warm up and get to work, so I'm sorry I have to dugout of here. Take care!

You take care too!
I've got to turn on the soldering iron and get busy soon myself.

923 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:29:24am

re: #915 Ford_Prefect

I know. Anyone have a rolled up newspaper I can borrow?

We don't read newspapers anymore.

Will you settle for a rolled up internet?

924 SurferDoc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:29:29am

Good, morning, Lizards.

Are we still a republic?

Have the Republicans grown balls yet?

925 VegasRick  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:29:42am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Some more transparency, " just a simple oversight"
Avanti, are you still covering your eyes?

926 abaleh  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:29:54am

re: #823 Wishing

abaleh..email sent, thanks!

Answer sent, not very helpful I'm afraid.
If I think/hear of anything I'll let you know.

927 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:30:22am

re: #880 avanti

There's simply no way anyone will be able to track just how much of the stimulus money goes to ACORN because the community group isn't one single national entity, but local groups, each of which will bid on their local programs to get a cut of the billions for neighborhood stabilization. They will get some amount, but the tally isn't clear by any stretch.

IMO, they shouldn't be getting one red cent, but Obama and the leftists in Congress who have been pushing one disastrous housing policy after another are determined to compound their errors in the trillions.

928 Lincolntf  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:30:25am

re: #914 Creeping Eruption

I'm just trying to extrapolate from the headline, but I really hope when the story pops up that the Court made some suggestion as to where they will go. Will they stay in Gitmo? Rendition? Release? If it's up to Holder and Obama (it probably is, isn't it?) then we're most likely screwed.

929 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:30:30am

Excellent Charlie Rose episode on Iran with Azar Nafisi, Hooman Majd, and Vali Nasr. 38 min.

930 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:30:48am

re: #856 Afrocity

Good for you! I've already fled to Florida, but came back for a job. Bloomberg's term limits repeal was bought and paid for by the billionaire. The City Council rolled over for big bucks and their own self-interest. Sounds a lot like Chicago, correct? And the people of New York City voted for term limits, and rejected an attempt to repeal term limits.

Bloomberg's popularity is slipping. Quality of life crime is up, and the "stimulus" repealed the welfare reform that Giuliani used to prevent NYC's bankruptcy. The GOP won't nominate Bloomberg for mayor next week, and it's tough to win a mayoral race without a major party endorsement.

That said, Bloomberg still has the big bucks and the name recognition.

931 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:30:55am

re: #861 Honorary Yooper

Yes, a good distinction to keep in mind. Which is why I posted a link to Ledeens excellent pair of essays, We Are All Fascists Now. Obama's economic policies are moving toward fascism, if not his social & political policies. Yet.

932 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:30:56am

Court reverses ruling bringing 17 detainees to US
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 18, 2009; 11:18 AM

WASHINGTON -- A federal appeals court has overturned a ruling that would have transferred 17 Guantanamo Bay detainees to the United States.

The men are Turkic Muslims known as Uighurs (WEE'-gurz). They have been cleared for release from Guantanamo, but the United States will not send them home to China for fear they will be tortured. So they remain in prison while the U.S. figures out what to do with them.

A federal judge ruled in October that the men should be transferred to U.S. soil because they were no longer enemy combatants and the government didn't have the authority to hold them.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled Wednesday that only immigration officials, not a judge, can bring foreigners into the country.

933 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:30:59am

re: #918 Kenneth

But that is the whole point: Fascism is NOT right wing, it is a Leftist. Fascism is not the opposite of Communism, just a rival leftist ideology.

Which is exactly why whenever fascists get into power, they liquidate the communists first; and when communists get into power, they liquidate the fascists first. Neither can stand to have a rival form of socialism in the way.

934 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:31:17am

re: #916 UFO TOFU

Wasn't it Arnold that said "California doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem"?

I'll go further then that. It has a long term idiot government problem.

935 KenJen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:31:38am

re: #919 Afrocity

They will never get a dog. They had no intentions of doing so for religious reasons. That is the Chicago buzz.

re: #913 Kosh's Shadow

LOL

But he promised the girls. He promised.

936 razorbacker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:32:19am

Gonna be one of 'those' days.

Sharpened the chain on the saw. Chain nice and sharp, so I start to reinstall chain. Can't find the wrench that tightens those two nuts that hold everything nice and snug.

Crep.

I've only got one wrench that actually fits the blasted thing, cause I've already lost the other one.

Annoyance builds as I search the shop for the blasted wrench. Finally I give up. Damned wrench has evolved legs and run off. So I go into the house to fix a cool drink and evaluate options. Sit down. Am poked most uncomfortably in the lower back by the wrench, which someone has slipped into my back pocket for safekeeping.

Like I said, gonna be one of 'those' days.

937 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:32:28am

re: #916 UFO TOFU

Wasn't it Arnold that said "California doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem"?

An example of CA problems.

The Prison system says they are currently over crowded, requiring more money to deal with the problems. They say they have 16,000 more people than they should.

An audit says they have at least 20k illegal aliens in custody who they are not allowed to deport.

Now apply that same model to education, health and community services.

938 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:32:56am

re: #920 DeafDog

I would add, cut the payroll tax on employers. Make it easier to hire new employees.

939 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:33:15am

re: #935 KenJen

But he promised the girls. He promised.

He'll do just what he does to the citizenry. Distarct them with something else to hide what going on behind the curtain

940 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:33:29am

re: #832 DeafDog

PDF link to the bill

I'm not going to itemize them, but the bill is filled with various tidbits that Acorn will be applying for. If you do not see that, you are delusional.

I agree, but you must admit that the 2 billion to ACORN headline is deceptive. They can apply for a piece of it, but even then, none for their less then perfect voter registration operation. The headline makes it look like we are writing ACORN a big check, when they are not even mentioned in the bill.

941 VioletTiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:33:36am

re: #919 Afrocity
Really? The dog thing was a scam? What religious reasons?

942 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:33:37am
...While today there is no hope of balancing the budget -- or wisdom in trying to -- until the economy substantially improves, we could make a sort of down payment on reforming Washington's porky ways by simply starting to tell the truth.

It has been widely noted that 2009 will have the first "trillion-dollar deficit" in American history. Actually it's the second. In fiscal 2008, the national debt increased from $9 trillion to slightly over $10 trillion. Yet the budget deficit in the last fiscal year was officially reported as being $455 billion. How could the national debt have increased by considerably more than twice the "deficit"? Simple. Just call the money borrowed from the Social Security trust fund an "intragovernmental transfer" and exclude it from the calculation of the deficit.

Corporate managers have gone to jail for less book cooking than that.


A Short History of the National Debt
Deficits are nothing new. It's the trend that should worry us.

943 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:34:04am

re: #907 J.D.

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but give it time...

*sigh*

I will say this...outside of Santa Fe which is a hotbed of lunacy (and money)...most of the folks out here seem to be hardscrabble old time blue dogs...even here in ABQ most people just want to be left alone...they will gladly take their handout but the intrusiveness of BOs policies has not sunk in

944 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:34:16am

re: #916 UFO TOFU

Wasn't it Arnold that said "California doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem"?

YES, and he was right.

945 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:34:18am

re: #924 SurferDoc

"A republic, if you can keep it!"-- Benjamin Franklin.

946 SurferDoc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:34:21am

re: #936 razorbacker

Whenever I put anything away "for safekeeping" there is a very good chance it will never be seen again.

947 Lincolntf  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:34:27am

re: #932 Creeping Eruption

Hmmm...I've got to think this one over. It could very well end up being the defining case for the rest of the Gitmoids.

I guess we'll have to beg some half-assed country to allow them in in the long run. Probably grease the skids with a few loan guarantees or outright cash.

948 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:35:33am

re: #910 avanti

Obama blew it by saying he wanted to go back to the Clinton 37% rate, he should have said he wanted to cut taxes from the Reagan 50% level and that would have confused the right. :)

Yeah because people on the right are really that dumb.

/

949 smokefire  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:35:34am

re: #934 acwgusa

Californexico has a alien problem, that it will not admit to.

950 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:35:43am

re: #936 razorbacker

Like I said, gonna be one of 'those' days.

Heh ... early last year, I spent 5 minutes following the right-hand wall around the apartment, searching high and low for my computer glasses.

/then I realized I was wearing them

951 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:36:01am

re: #940 avanti

I agree, but you must admit that the 2 billion to ACORN headline is deceptive. They can apply for a piece of it, but even then, none for their less then perfect voter registration operation. The headline makes it look like we are writing ACORN a big check, when they are not even mentioned in the bill.

Point 1,, they'll apply for MANY "pieces" of it, and becuase in of what they did for the Dems in 2008 will win out over any other org that applies there
Point 2,,Once it's in their pockets, whose to say what will be done with the money. I will gauruntee much of it will be funneled back to voter reg

952 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:36:10am

Towercam!

953 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:36:11am

Roland Burris will not resign, the U.S. Senate will do nothing, the Illinois Legislature will do nothing and no action will be taken because he is a minority and very soon some "community" activist will "play" the race card. Those in politics are above the rules of honesty and ethical behavior. The DEMS have ruined Chicago.

954 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:36:22am

re: #918 Kenneth

But that is the whole point: Fascism is NOT right wing, it is a Leftist. Fascism is not the opposite of Communism, just a rival leftist ideology.

Thank you.

On a simliar tack, I'm reading a book on Holocaust Denial now, and the author keeps calling all these groups "right wing" but the only characteristic she gives about them is that they are racist/nationalist/ethnicists. I keep waiting to hear that they are for lower taxes or smaller government.

If we allow folks to define bigotry as making one "right wing" then by reverse definition, all right wingers are bigots.

955 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:36:39am

re: #909 acwgusa

I went to school in NM, but I'm fleeing to Nevada. My sister fled to Colorado from New York a year ago.

I could not live anywhere else but NM now...I'm making my stand here...I'm too old to flee around again...I do have fallback in Jamaica if I want I suppose, but that place is pretty wild and wooly too

956 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:36:44am
957 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:37:10am

re: #952 Ojoe

Towercam!

Pretty!

958 VegasRick  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:37:10am

FOX News "Every hour, 12,000 gallons of sludge and untreated waste pouring into the San Fran bay". When did San Fran close the bath houses? Or just a party at Pelousies?

959 UFO TOFU  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:37:38am

re: #909 acwgusa

I went to school in NM, but I'm fleeing to Nevada. My sister fled to Colorado from New York a year ago.

Can I ask where you're considering? I'm also looking to get out.

960 J.S.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:37:42am

re: #914 Creeping Eruption

There's an Associated Press report -- interesting...the appeals court overturned an earlier decision (the early decision said that the 17 Chinese Muslims who could not be sent back to China, due to China's torture record, should be brought into the United States). The appeal court said, "no", -- "only immigration officials, not a judge, can bring foreigners into the country." That sounds like a good decision, actually.

961 smokefire  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:37:52am

Point 2,,Once it's in their pockets, whose to say what will be done with the money. I will gauruntee much of it will be funneled back to voter reg

I doubt that. Most of the money will find it's way into the pockets of crooked people, and no one lower will see any of the money.

962 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:37:59am

re: #957 J.D.

And cold!

963 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:38:06am

re: #958 VegasRick

FOX News "Every hour, 12,000 gallons of sludge and untreated waste pouring into the San Fran bay". When did San Fran close the bath houses? Or just a party at Pelousies?

Those poor seals!

964 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:38:17am

re: #955 albusteve

I could not live anywhere else but NM now...I'm making my stand here...I'm too old to flee around again...I do have fallback in Jamaica if I want I suppose, but that place is pretty wild and wooly too


I would love to go back to Albuquerque.

965 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:38:24am

re: #962 Ojoe

And cold!

How cold?

966 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:38:35am

re: #940 avanti

I agree, but you must admit that the 2 billion to ACORN headline is deceptive. They can apply for a piece of it, but even then, none for their less then perfect voter registration operation. The headline makes it look like we are writing ACORN a big check, when they are not even mentioned in the bill.

wow...just wow

967 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:38:53am

re: #963 J.D.

Those poor seals!

re: #958 VegasRick

FOX News "Every hour, 12,000 gallons of sludge and untreated waste pouring into the San Fran bay". When did San Fran close the bath houses? Or just a party at Pelousies?

Runoff from Nancy's last Botox.

968 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:02am

re: #947 Lincolntf

Hmmm...I've got to think this one over. It could very well end up being the defining case for the rest of the Gitmoids.

I guess we'll have to beg some half-assed country to allow them in in the long run. Probably grease the skids with a few loan guarantees or outright cash.

/Dump em' in Taiwan. Chinese can't claim they were not returned to 'China" and inmates not in China proper. No longer an American problem. Everyone happy.

969 Macker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:04am

Obama Signs The Porkulus Bill

970 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:06am

re: #940 avanti

I agree, but you must admit that the 2 billion to ACORN headline is deceptive. They can apply for a piece of it, but even then, none for their less then perfect voter registration operation. The headline makes it look like we are writing ACORN a big check, when they are not even mentioned in the bill.

ACORN and their ilk made out like banshees.

Acorn:Obama as
Halliburton:Chaney

971 razorbacker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:07am

re: #946 SurferDoc

Whenever I put anything away "for safekeeping" there is a very good chance it will never be seen again.

Not me. I always find it again. Usually when I go to put the replacement item that I've bought away for safekeeping, and there it is, nice and safe.

I really need some kind of 'keeper' to follow me around and take notes.

That way, when I'm standing forlornly moaning, "Where in the name of all that's holy are my G-D glasses?" he can say, "You've push them up on top of your head again, Numbnuts."

972 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:21am

re: #965 J.D.

At the bottom of the photo the astronomers post the weather. Now it says 30 degrees F.

973 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:24am

ND House Passes Abortion Ban

Any legal lizards think this is going to hold up in court?

974 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:32am

re: #936 razorbacker

Am poked most uncomfortably in the lower back by the wrench, which someone has slipped into my back pocket for safekeeping.

Sometimes I think that back pocket should be removed. I can't tell you how many times I've taken a wrench home at night.

975 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:33am

J.D.!

976 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:36am

re: #961 smokefire

Point 2,,Once it's in their pockets, whose to say what will be done with the money. I will gauruntee much of it will be funneled back to voter reg

I doubt that. Most of the money will find it's way into the pockets of crooked people, and no one lower will see any of the money.

Without their voter reg organization, they would blow by the wayside. Without money to spread around, there is not voter reg orginaztion

As they say ,, 'Follow the money"

977 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:43am

re: #941 VioletTiger

Really? The dog thing was a scam? What religious reasons?

Dogs are ritually impure and are viewed negatively by some religions therefore they cannot have a dog as a pet.

978 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:44am

re: #960 J.S.

I thinks so too.

979 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:52am

re: #967 acwgusa

Runoff from Nancy's last Botox.

*Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink*

980 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:39:58am

re: #953 Afrocity

I think the president wants someone else in the Illinois U.S. Senate seat. For that reason only, Burris may be vulnerable to attacks from his own party.

981 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:40:08am

re: #946 SurferDoc

Whenever I put anything away "for safekeeping" there is a very good chance it will never be seen again.

Yes, but it will be safe.

982 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:40:13am

re: #964 acwgusa

I would love to go back to Albuquerque.

it has that effect on some people....it's hard to decribe to outsiders eh?

983 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:40:15am

In case no one's posted it yet, here's my favorite image of Robertson.

"Presbyterians are the spirit of the Antichrist." --P.R.

984 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:40:21am

re: #954 Silhouette

If you want to read anti-Jewish bigotry today, just surf over to any leftist or "progressive" website or blog. Even Jews, such as Naomi Klein, are joining in on the hate.

985 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:41:02am

re: #953 Afrocity

Roland Burris will not resign, the U.S. Senate will do nothing, the Illinois Legislature will do nothing and no action will be taken because he is a minority and very soon some "community" activist will "play" the race card. Those in politics are above the rules of honesty and ethical behavior. The DEMS have ruined Chicago.

All true, but Roland Burris will not be re-elected, either.

The Dems have handed the seat in 2010 to the republicans on a Sliver Platter.

986 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:41:07am

re: #931 Kenneth

I think Obama is trying to follow FDR's footsteps. It would not suprise me if he made an attempt at recreating the National Industrial Recovery Act. However, like Mussolini, he is making the leap from Marxism to fascism economically. Since this is the US with its long history of peaceful transitions of power, one shoud expect any transitions to be peaceful, even when frought with massive amounts of voter fraud.

We'll have to see what happens socially and politically. I would use FDR as a guide to see what BHO does next.

987 VegasRick  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:41:17am

re: #979 Oh no...Sand People!

*Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink** Blink**Blink**Blink*

She's a phoney bitch and that is one of her nicer points.

988 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:41:27am

re: #972 Ojoe

At the bottom of the photo the astronomers post the weather. Now it says 30 degrees F.

So, COLD! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

989 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:41:45am

re: #975 Ward Cleaver

J.D.!

WARD!

990 smokefire  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:42:02am

re: #976 sattv4u2

how much money do you need for voter registration?
All you need is a case or so of thunder bird wine, a carton or so of cigarettes, and that should do you.

991 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:42:20am

re: #919 Afrocity

They will never get a dog. They had no intentions of doing so for religious reasons. That is the Chicago buzz.

re: #913 Kosh's Shadow

LOL

i hope they don't get a dog. neither of those people has the personality to see the beauty and grace of a dog. or delight in being around one.
O and WAB have nothing to give a dog.
they are too angry and miserable.
and self centered.

992 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:42:28am

re: #986 Honorary Yooper

Bingo. A thousand updings.

993 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:42:29am

re: #980 quickjustice

I think the president wants someone else in the Illinois U.S. Senate seat. For that reason only, Burris may be vulnerable to attacks from his own party.

There needs to be a special election.

994 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:42:45am

re: #977 Afrocity

Isn't Islam the religion that holds dogs to be ritually impure? In South China and Korea, for example, they're considered tasty!

995 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:43:20am

re: #967 acwgusa

Runoff from Nancy's last Botox.


re: #979 Oh no...Sand People!

*Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink**Blink** Blink**Blink**Blink*

I always think of her as Blinky.

996 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:43:30am

re: #958 VegasRick

FOX News "Every hour, 12,000 gallons of sludge and untreated waste pouring into the San Fran bay". When did San Fran close the bath houses? Or just a party at Pelousies?

All these geniuses, and no good plumbers...

997 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:43:59am
998 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:44:00am

re: #953 Afrocity

Roland Burris will not resign, the U.S. Senate will do nothing, the Illinois Legislature will do nothing and no action will be taken because he is a minority and very soon some "community" activist will "play" the race card. Those in politics are above the rules of honesty and ethical behavior. The DEMS have ruined Chicago.

And now they want to ruin America

999 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:44:16am

re: #983 Cato the Elder

I didn't know Robertson was a Presbyterian! ;-)

1000 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:44:31am

re: #971 razorbacker

Not me. I always find it again. Usually when I go to put the replacement item that I've bought away for safekeeping, and there it is, nice and safe.

I really need some kind of 'keeper' to follow me around and take notes.

That way, when I'm standing forlornly moaning, "Where in the name of all that's holy are my G-D glasses?" he can say, "You've push them up on top of your head again, Numbnuts."

Don't worry. Obama will see to it that we all have someone looking over our shoulders 24/7.

1001 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:45:42am
1002 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:46:01am

re: #986 Honorary Yooper

I think Obama is trying to follow FDR's footsteps. It would not suprise me if he made an attempt at recreating the National Industrial Recovery Act. However, like Mussolini, he is making the leap from Marxism to fascism economically. Since this is the US with its long history of peaceful transitions of power, one shoud expect any transitions to be peaceful, even when frought with massive amounts of voter fraud.

We'll have to see what happens socially and politically. I would use FDR as a guide to see what BHO does next.

Does Obama have MPPD?

Multiple President Personality Disorder? Which former president is Obama attempting to emulate now? Perhaps I was wrong about him being "just an empty suit"...He is just stuffed with people.

1003 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:46:33am

re: #994 quickjustice

Isn't Islam the religion that holds dogs to be ritually impure? In South China and Korea, for example, they're considered tasty!

UPDING!

1004 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:46:42am

re: #985 DeafDog

All true, but Roland Burris will not be re-elected, either.

The Dems have handed the seat in 2010 to the republicans on a Sliver Platter.

How so? Who in Illinois would be able to run and win as a Repub in 2 years? Burris is a placeholder till the Chicago Machine gets who they'll really want there in 2010

1005 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:46:43am

I repeat: The "Stimulus" bill is a reiteration of that most ancient of Democrat Party principles, "To the victors go the spoils."

1006 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:47:00am

re: #925 VegasRick

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Some more transparency, " just a simple oversight"
Avanti, are you still covering your eyes?

That was a rookie mistake over some very minor executive orders, not like there was anything to hide. The link to Politico did bring up this link about a record increase in congresses approval rating though that was interesting.
rating

1007 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:47:42am

re: #984 Kenneth

If you want to read anti-Jewish bigotry today, just surf over to any leftist or "progressive" website or blog. Even Jews, such as Naomi Klein, are joining in on the hate.

In a political discussion with a leftist co-worker, I was using a Holocaust denial comparison to make another point, "...like the way that Holocaust denial is always motivated by anti-semitism." When he looked at me and said, "Yeah right, and how do you know Holocaust deniers are anti-semitic?" I didn't know where to go against that level of blindness.

1008 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:48:23am

re: #1002 Afrocity

MPPD...LOL! That's perfect!

In my opinion, Obama has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

1009 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:48:43am

re: #1004 sattv4u2

How so? Who in Illinois would be able to run and win as a Repub in 2 years? Burris is a placeholder till the Chicago Machine gets who they'll really want there in 2010

I agree. I am thinking of running as GOP because there is usually no opposition to the DEMS.

1010 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:48:53am

re: #1006 avanti

That was a rookie mistake over some very minor executive orders, not like there was anything to hide. The link to Politico did bring up this link about a record increase in congresses approval rating though that was interesting.
rating

Capone had a solid popularity rating with the people of Chicago...lots of folks loved him to pieces

1011 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:49:52am

re: #984 Kenneth

If you want to read anti-Jewish bigotry today, just surf over to any leftist or "progressive" website or blog. Even Jews, such as Naomi Klein, are joining in on the hate.


Amazing and a great example of Jewish self-hatred.

1012 smokefire  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:49:56am

re: #1009 Afrocity

The Dems could run a dead person for Senate and still win.
Wait a minute, they already have haven't they?

1013 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:50:46am

re: #1009 Afrocity

G-d bless you! Practice your public speaking skills.

1014 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:51:15am

re: #1007 Silhouette

The left has become very anti-Jewish. It has become socially acceptable among Leftists to deny the Holocaust while in the same breath, calling for another one.

1015 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:51:49am

re: #1010 albusteve

Capone had a solid popularity rating with the people of Chicago...lots of folks loved him to pieces

I'm a bit surprised at the jump myself, it's hard to figure out what they see as improved.

1016 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:52:29am

re: #1006 avanti

That was a rookie mistake over some very minor executive orders, not like there was anything to hide. The link to Politico did bring up this link about a record increase in congresses approval rating though that was interesting.
rating

So you find it "interesting" that right after an election where people voted for the congressman they want Congresses approval rating went up!?!?!

geeezz Louise

1017 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:52:45am

re: #1009 Afrocity

I agree. I am thinking of running as GOP because there is usually no opposition to the DEMS.

1000 updings!

1018 jorline  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:53:29am

re: #1002 Afrocity

Does Obama have MPPD?

Multiple President Personality Disorder? Which former president is Obama attempting to emulate now? Perhaps I was wrong about him being "just an empty suit"...He is just stuffed with people.

Thus...a sock puppet is born.

1019 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:55:45am
1020 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:55:48am

re: #919 Afrocity

They will never get a dog. They had no intentions of doing so for religious reasons. That is the Chicago buzz.

re: #913 Kosh's Shadow

LOL

Religious reasons? Oh Doh!, Those religious reasons...


/s

1021 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:56:38am

re: #1008 Kenneth

Obama MPPD-(multiple president personality disorder) therapy session.

Psychiatrist to Obama: "Hello? who is this?"
Obama:(in strange voice) Chester
Psychiatrist: Chester who?
Obama: Chester Alan Arthur. No one every remembers me but did you know that I won the case that guaranteed the right of blacks to ride New York City streetcars?
Psychiatrist: No I did not know that Chester
obama: Yes, and I want Obama to make my image over as the first champion of civil rights.
Psychiatrist: Chester did you ask Obama about that?
Obama: Yes.
Psychiatrist: ..and what did Obama say to that.
Obama (still in Chester Arthur's voice) He said 'yes we can'.

1022 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:56:41am

re: #1019 Iron Fist

And the Jews vote for them. I guess it kinda like how the Blacks vote for the party of Orville Faubus and Bull Connor.

And Kleagle Byrd. We should never forget Kleagle Byrd. He is, after all, the conscience of the Senate. Well, Senate Democrats, at any rate.

sound like a bunch of guys in a J Grisham book!

1023 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:57:02am

re: #1004 sattv4u2

How so? Who in Illinois would be able to run and win as a Repub in 2 years? Burris is a placeholder till the Chicago Machine gets who they'll really want there in 2010

I don't know Illinois politics well enough, but the name Mark Kirk has been mentioned a few times.

If a republican can't win after these scandals, then a republican will never win.

1024 lurking faith  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:57:15am

re: #802 avanti

Oh, please. They don't generally name grantees in the actual bill; they just give specifications that were written with an intended grantee in mind.

More than 6 billion dollars are specified for community development in various ways.

1025 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:59:14am
1026 freetoken  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:00:41am

re: #920 DeafDog

Huh? You start with a conclusion and call that reasoning? It's a circular argument.

Umm... I wasn't making a formal (logical) argument... I thought we were having a conversation (though difficult to do through a keyboard) and I feel it is necessary to raise some points that people all too often find it convenient to avoid.

What Obama passed in the name of "stimulous" to the economy will not stimulate. It will do the opposite by crowding out private capital from the deb markets.

Concur that a sizable chunk of what was agreed upon isn't going to do much in the near term economic stimulation. Also, I don't disagree that when the gov't goes into the market and borrows money that it is a form of competition.

All I'm saying is that "Keynes won." You can try to be all pissy about it, but previous presidents and congresses all were quite willing to borrow money and spend it, and spend it especially during recessionary times. It is not "hard left", it is American mainstream politics.



As an alternative, I would suggest that we encourage private capital to enter the market:

1. Remove mark to market provisions

3wood brought that up the other day. He likes the idea of accounting for value based essentially on cash flow. Being here in SoCal, my question about that being feasible is looking around at all the rapidly falling housing prices, and understanding that is a result of overbuilding. There are so many units that are not generating cash... they are either empty, or if private residences people occupy without paying the mortgage (or are paying it sporadically), that I wonder how any method of marking the value of these assets could help

2. Reduce capital gains tax rates on the buying and holding these assets

I'm not arguing against that... but again, how does reducing capital gains tax rates help the banking situation today?

This is what many here are overlooking.... The "stimulus" package is just part of the big picture. The other part is dealing with the banking problems. Dealing with this may be more important than any "stimulus" package.


3. Allow bad banks, companies and indivuuals to fail. The short term pain will be worse, perhaps, but we will get to the bottom quicker and start to rebuild.

There are a whole lot of beliefs wrapped up in that short paragraph of yours.... we could discuss them at length. For now (as I have to run) I will simply say this: It is my conclusion that Obama's willingness to socialize the pain is in accord with the majority thinking of not only the American public, but also historically the overwhelming practice of politicians (on both sides of the aisle) in congress.

1027 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:00:42am

re: #1016 sattv4u2

So you find it "interesting" that right after an election where people voted for the congressman they want Congresses approval rating went up!?!?!

geeezz Louise

It was a one month jump (Jan-Feb) not a post election hope and change bump.

1028 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:01:14am
1029 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:02:35am

re: #1028 Iron Fist

Start off with a swift kick to the groin. You don't even have to hit him that hard. When he's guarding downstairs, as it were, he's vulnerable up top. Ears are completely detachable. Eyes are also detachable, but they aren't much use to anyone after you take them. Ears, you can string on a necklace.

:-)

HA!

1030 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:03:07am

Yemen Arrests and Deports Former Gitmo Prisoner Who Rejoined al-Qaeda


Abu Qatada Deported to Jordan

Sure is a whole lot of deportment going on...

1031 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:03:18am

re: #1027 avanti

It was a one month jump (Jan-Feb) not a post election hope and change bump.

The election was in November,, The "new" Congressperson that "you" just voted for was seated in January. The question was asked at some point shortly after (within 5 weeks)

YOU do the math!

1032 razorbacker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:04:28am

re: #1019 Iron Fist

And the Jews vote for them. I guess it kinda like how the Blacks vote for the party of Orville Faubus and Bull Connor.

And Kleagle Byrd. We should never forget Kleagle Byrd. He is, after all, the conscience of the Senate. Well, Senate Democrats, at any rate.

Did you know that Faubus' father was known as 'Red' Faubus because of his socialism?

Or that Faubus was a populist?

1033 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:06:03am

re: #1027 avanti

re: #1031 sattv4u2

The election was in November,, The "new" Congressperson that "you" just voted for was seated in January. The question was asked at some point shortly after (within 5 weeks)

YOU do the math!


HOPE AND CAHNGE BUMP is EXACTLY what it is. It's the 1st poll taken after the new congresspeople were seated!

1034 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:06:07am
1035 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:06:59am
1036 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:13:04am

re: #1031 sattv4u2

The election was in November,, The "new" Congressperson that "you" just voted for was seated in January. The question was asked at some point shortly after (within 5 weeks)

YOU do the math!

Here's the source poll with a month by month comparison.
Gallop

1037 lurking faith  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:14:02am

re: #946 SurferDoc

Whenever I put anything away "for safekeeping" there is a very good chance it will never be seen again.

Ain't it the truth!

1038 Lynn B.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:18:16am

re: #973 Killgore Trout

ND House Passes Abortion Ban

Any legal lizards think this is going to hold up in court?

No.

1039 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:18:19am

re: #1006 avanti

That was a rookie mistake over some very minor executive orders, not like there was anything to hide. The link to Politico did bring up this link about a record increase in congresses approval rating though that was interesting.
rating


When does Obama's mistakes cease to be 'rookie mistakes'?

1040 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:20:30am

re: #1039 NJDhockeyfan

When does Obama's mistakes cease to be 'rookie mistakes'?

100 days and he and his staff should learn the drill.

1041 lurking faith  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:22:35am

re: #1006 avanti

It's easy to have a very high percentage increase when you start from a very low number.

1042 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:26:28am
1043 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:31:21am

From: [Link: townhall.com...]

"There is a principle called “Occam’s Razor,” which has been interpreted to mean that the simplest of two competing theories is usually the right one. This comes to mind as President Obama and the flying monkey minions in Congress scramble frantically to ram a trillion dollar “stimulus” bill down American’s throats with no debate, no discussion, and almost no understanding of what is in it.

And what is in it makes it abundantly clear that this is no “stimulus.” It is riddled with hundreds of billions of dollars in pork, payoffs to special interest groups, massive increases in welfare spending, new and more bloated federal bureaucracies. What’s worse, we don’t actually have the money for any of it. It will have to be taxed, printed, and borrowed, all of which will make our economic situation worse, not better.

But … but … the President and the Democrats don’t know this?

Of course they do. For weeks, seasoned and well-respected economic and financial writers from the Wall Street Journal, National Review, the Weekly Standard, the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, Americans for Tax Reform, the American Enterprise Institute, the Hoover Institution, and God-only-knows how many others have been explaining why this bill will not jump-start the economy. Even the Congressional Budget Office has admitted it will make things worse.

Obama ignores them all, and continues to preach what he knows is a lie: that this bill is something that we “must” do to “save” the economy.

This seems inscrutable to most of the commentators I have heard, who protest even more loudly that Obama’s “Keynesian” economic policies have failed everywhere they’ve been tried. And many Americans who voted for Obama – but not, they thought, for this - seem just as baffled: Does Obama not understand? Does he know no history? Has he not heard what the experts are saying? Maybe he is listening to other economists. Perhaps he’s misinformed. Maybe he’s being misled by his advisers.

This is where Occam’s Razor comes in. None of those explanations makes any sense. Obama is not stupid. He has read history. He isn’t misinformed. And he is not being misled. The policies Obama is espousing have been thoroughly discredited for decades, and he knows it. So there is only one logical explanation: he doesn’t want a real stimulus.

Why not?

In a word, power. Because for a collectivist, collective misery is not just a wet dream, it’s an orgy. An economic crisis creates the climate that enables Obama to achieve his fondest desire: government takeover of the economy. This is the Marxist/socialist aim, and has been since its inception. French historian Elié Halévy explained in 1934 the sentiment socialists need to create in the people: “We are living in economic chaos and we cannot get out if it except under some kind of dictatorial leadership!”

How better, then, to obtain the dictatorial power you crave, than to ensure that an economic crisis becomes a catastrophe? Why else would the Pollyanna of Hope and Change have suddenly become the Jeremiah of Doom and Gloom?

While I hear much discussion about how nothing in the steal-from-us bill makes sense from the standpoint of economic recovery, I hear very little to the effect that the bill’s content and enactment process makes perfect sense when one admits that Obama’s views are essentially Marxist."

1044 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:28:36pm

re: #973 Killgore Trout

ND House Passes Abortion Ban

Any legal lizards think this is going to hold up in court?

Next time any in vitro fertilization doctor drops a test tube on the floor, he will need to be charged with murder, obviously.


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