Jailhouse Islam Behind Cop Killings in Philadelphia?

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A disturbing story from Philadelphia: Police Investigate Whether Jailhouse Islam Could Be Behind Cop Killings.

PHILADELPHIA - The fact that Rasheed Scrugs allegedly announced he was going to kill a cop and then shot Philadelphia Police Officer John Pawlowski with a gun hidden inside his coat pocket has detectives digging deeper on Scrugs.

They’re still gathering evidence and trying to unravel why Friday night’s senseless murder happened, Fox 29’s Dave Schratwieser reported. “Pawlowski didn’t stand a chance,” Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey said Monday, as Philadelphia continued to reel over the killing.

A key witness went public Monday with the chilling words he heard the gunman say before the shooting. “If you call the cop, I’ll kill you and kill the cop,” said Manuel Dias, who works in a newsstand at Broad Street and Olney Avenue, repeating what he told detectives. …

Scrugs was shot by Pawlowski’s partner and another officer. He’s now awake and talking, but he refused to be interviewed by homicide detectives. Sources say Scrugs told a hospital staffer he was high on drugs at the time of the shooting and allegedly said, “I can’t believe I shot a cop.” …

Ramsey told Fox 29 News that police are now trying to determine if Scrugs — who also goes by the alias Rasheed Abdulghaffer — may have converted to a radical form of “jailhouse Islam” during his years in prison.

Ironically, Ramsey said he was briefed by FBI agents on Friday about this radical form of Islam. That was just hours before Pawlowski was shot. Ramsey said there’s a growing concern among law enforcement. “This is a radical form where certainly committing crime and killing police officers and so forth is part of it,” Ramsey said.

Police experts and the FBI are now researching whether Scrugs and Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski’ accused killers — Howard Cain and Levon Warner, who are accused of wearing Muslim clothing during that murder — were schooled in jailhouse Islam.

“Since Steve Liczbinski got killed, this issue has really been something that has struck home here in Philadelphia,” Ramsey said.

(Hat tip: formercorpsman.)

UPDATE at 2/18/09 9:10:43 am:

Much more on the rise of jailhouse Islam, at Philadelphia Magazine: The Radicals Among Us.

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147 comments

Shug Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:53:36am

The FBI needs jailhouse moles ASAP

MrSilverDragon Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:53:48am

I can't say that I would be surprised.

Macker Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:54:07am

And here I thought Jailhouse Islam and Islam were one and the same.

mikalm Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:54:33am

Shades of the Bay Area's Zebra Murders -- contemporary with the Zodiac Killer, but far less well-known.

lawhawk Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:54:55am

How long before the usual suspects try to call this cop-killer another Mumia (who murdered police officer Daniel Faulkner)?

smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:54:58am

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Shug Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:55:24am

Obama will put a stop to Jailhouse Islam by freeing all the jihadists

jemima Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:55:46am

Prison Da'wa.

Anyone want to bring up Jamaat al Fuqra again?

Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:56:04am

re: #5 lawhawk

How long before the usual suspects try to call this cop-killer another Mumia (who murdered police officer Daniel Faulkner)?

Why, I am sure that posters and shirts are being printed as we speak.

Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:56:22am

re: #8 jemima

Prison Da'wa.

Anyone want to bring up Jamaat al Fuqra again?

This has nothing at all to do with that idiotic Jamaat al-Fuqra BS.

Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:56:38am

Where's Wyatt Earp? IIRC, he's rather close to this as he is from Philly. I'm curious as to his take because of that.

Ward Cleaver Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:56:48am

Yikes.

Hey Wyatt, what are you hearing about this?

pat Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:56:54am

Too bad Scrugs is alive.

VegasRick Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:56:59am

re: #3 Macker

And here I thought Jailhouse Islam and Islam were one and the same.

Gutter cult works as well.

Taqiyyotomist Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:58:00am

re: #10 Charles

You keep saying that. Has that all been debunked? If so, I wouldn't mind checking out the debunking.

Ward Cleaver Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:59:26am

re: #10 Charles

This has nothing at all to do with that idiotic Jamaat al-Fuqra BS.

I'm glad I missed that one. I won't ask.

thefallingman Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:59:39am

I had a friend who was doing Christian prison ministry up until about 10 years ago. When he moved on he told me that Islam was making major in-roads with the prisoners and was seeing a lot of converts. It doesn't take much to take a man already prone to violence and turn him on to an ideology that tells him his violence is a good thing and will be rewarded by god.

calvin coolidge Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:59:41am

Scrugs — who also goes by the alias Rasheed Abdulghaffer said he actually likes the name Scrugs better because it was easier to spell.

Last Mohican Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:59:53am

Some weeks ago, I posted a link to an article about how many prison inmates were converting to Islam while behind bars. It was a large number, something like 10% or more. I can't find the story now. Anyone remember where it was?

Ford_Prefect Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:00:19am

There are a lot of disturbing things about this article, but I find this particularly so:

A key witness went public Monday with the chilling words he heard the gunman say before the shooting. “If you call the cop, I’ll kill you and kill the cop,” said Manuel Dias, who works in a newsstand at Broad Street and Olney Avenue, repeating what he told detectives.

If there is some kind of organized movement here what are this guys chances of ever making it to testify? He should not be coming out publicly and the news should not be telling people where he works.

Oh no...Sand People! Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:00:37am

re: #7 Shug

Obama will put a stop to Jailhouse Islam by freeing all the jihadists

I am sure California will. Given there bulging pockets to spend on them at the moment...
/

VegasRick Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:00:46am

re: #17 thefallingman

I had a friend who was doing Christian prison ministry up until about 10 years ago. When he moved on he told me that Islam was making major in-roads with the prisoners and was seeing a lot of converts. It doesn't take much to take a man already prone to violence and turn him on to an ideology that tells him his violence is a good thing and will be rewarded by god.

Good point.

slamo Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:00:49am

Obviously, a war has been started against our law enforcement in this country.

[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:01:22am

smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:01:33am

re: #19 Last Mohican

[Link: www.heraldnet.com...]

Is this it?

Ford_Prefect Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:01:48am

re: #17 thefallingman

I had a friend who was doing Christian prison ministry up until about 10 years ago. When he moved on he told me that Islam was making major in-roads with the prisoners and was seeing a lot of converts. It doesn't take much to take a man already prone to violence and turn him on to an ideology that tells him his violence is a good thing and will be rewarded by god.

This is a big part of of my problem with the closing of Gitmo and the talk of putting those people into our general prison population.

Tumulus11 Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:01:57am

'As soon as the cop asked him to take his hand out of his pocket to give him something else, he just pulled the gun and shot the cop for no specific reason,' Dias said.

. Islamic jihad, specifically.

notutopia Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:02:05am

This is a senseless murder of a law enforcement officer and a sad way for an excuse to develop investigation concerns for Jailhouse corruption for Islamic fascists.
I am relieved to know that the FBI is further investigating the connections to Jailhouse Islam. Better late than never.
Jails are brooding houses for hate and information access to Islamic fascism and to networking resources, both in the house and later when they are released back into the public.
Gitmo parallels anyone?

jorline Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:02:17am

Bring back Alcatraz...the new Gitmo and San Francisco will pick up a few federal dollars to stimulate the local economy.

Jailhouse Islam dies on the Rock.

Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:02:19am

re: #26 Ford_Prefect

This is a big part of of my problem with the closing of Gitmo and the talk of putting those people into our general prison population.

Re-open the rock.

Taqiyyotomist Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:02:39am

re: #20 Ford_Prefect

The press has a bad habit of outing witnesses and informants like that. I mean, come on. Giving us the exact corner he works on?
What kind of evil f&*ks work for this industry?

Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:02:47am

re: #29 jorline

Bring back Alcatraz...the new Gitmo and San Francisco will pick up a few federal dollars to stimulate the local economy.

Jailhouse Islam dies on the Rock.

You beat me to it.

VegasRick Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:03:12am

re: #30 Creeping Eruption

Re-open the rock.

San Fran Nan can visit on weekends.

thefallingman Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:03:17am

re: #26 Ford_Prefect

This is a big part of of my problem with the closing of Gitmo and the talk of putting those people into our general prison population.

Mine, too.

doppelganglander Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:03:30am

I hope this prompts an investigation into who is allowed to conduct Muslim prison ministries. Obviously you can't exclude Muslims entirely, and you shouldn't. But you also shouldn't allow Imams preaching jihad in there any more than you should have white supremacists spreading hate.

smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:03:48am

re: #30 Creeping Eruption

biggest problem is, NO ONE wants the GITMO refugees.

How about Devils Island?

Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:04:12am

re: #36 smokefire

biggest problem is, NO ONE wants the GITMO refugees.

How about Devils Island?

Bikini Atoll?

Taqiyyotomist Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:04:13am

Charles, if the Jamaat ul Fuqra "camps" story has been debunked, it would be nice to see it, put my mind at ease. BBL all.

smokin' hamster Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:05:09am

Sounds like being high on crack had more to do with the murder than Jailhouse Islam.

Big Steve Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:05:21am

OT but I see the Pope lectured Pelosi (a catholic) about abortion. Wish he had just excommunicated her on the spot. That would have been walking the talk.

smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:05:39am

re: #37 Creeping Eruption

nah, we don't test there anymore, and the residents my not like visitors

abaleh Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:05:43am

re: #36 smokefire

biggest problem is, NO ONE wants the GITMO refugees.

How about Devils Island?

How about Antarctica? Hasn't that become a harsh desert by now?

Last Mohican Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:05:53am

re: #25 smokefire

[Link: www.heraldnet.com...]

Is this it?

Yeah, that's the one, thanks. I just submitted it again as a "related to post" link. But you should get the credit. When Charles sends me my check, I'll endorse it to you.

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:05:56am

re: #6 smokefire

Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace Religion of Peace

ROPMA

Oh no...Sand People! Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:06:25am

re: #31 Taqiyyotomist

The press has a bad habit of outing witnesses and informants like that. I mean, come on. Giving us the exact corner he works on?
What kind of evil f&*ks work for this industry?

You'd think they were reporting on President Bush on one of his surprise visits to Iraq.

"He'll be on the tarmac at exactly 1:05 P.M. This area is way open and uncluttered with many high vantage points to watch him step out of the plane. Our anonymous sources tell us he will only have a small detachment guarding him. He will only be here for only a few hours so any body watching this broadcast better be moving quickly..uh..the President may sign some autographs...uh..back to you Wolf."
/

smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:06:26am

re: #40 Big Steve

that would have been too much to wish for

Big Steve Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:06:45am

re: #39 smokin' hamster

Sounds like being high on crack had more to do with the murder than Jailhouse Islam.

For some reason I just can't get as worried about convicts that convert to Islam in the jail as a cultural conflict issue.

Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:06:47am

re: #41 smokefire

nah, we don't test there anymore, and the residents my not like visitors

Residents? I thought everything there just glowed in the dark. My bad.

Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:07:01am

re: #15 Taqiyyotomist

You keep saying that. Has that all been debunked? If so, I wouldn't mind checking out the debunking.

The sherriff of the town near one of these supposed "terror camps" is on record saying there is nothing to it, and they've never had any problems with the residents.

But more than that, the people who are promoting this nonsense, Martin Mawyer and the Christian Action Network, are raving nutjobs with zero credibility.

VegasRick Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:07:18am

re: #37 Creeping Eruption

Bikini Atoll?

Or here

Youtube Video

DistantThunder Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:07:40am

re: #11 Honorary Yooper

Where's Wyatt Earp? IIRC, he's rather close to this as he is from Philly. I'm curious as to his take because of that.

We were talking about this on the earlier thread. Police shot the perp 5 times, but the guy was wearing a bullet proof vest. The police officer leaves behind a wife who is 5 months pregnant with their first child. The officer's father is a retired cop, and his brother is an officer.

I was commenting earlier that something strange is up, because Philly is a fraction of the size of NYC and yet 7 cops have been killed since 2006. Philly recently passed stronger laws to increase the length of a sentence for shooting at a cop.

But Philly is a hard core Democrat City. The idiot mayor, Nutter, was on the radio saying we have to get guns off the street. They crack down on the cowed populace and then march in the streets demanding a reduction in crime when the murder rate continues to rise.

Get. A. Clue.

smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:07:47am

re: #43 Last Mohican

...............you really will get a check from Charles, not an IOU. I mean it is from California.
LOL

[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:08:05am

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:08:11am

re: #35 doppelganglander

I hope this prompts an investigation into who is allowed to conduct Muslim prison ministries. Obviously you can't exclude Muslims entirely, and you shouldn't. But you also shouldn't allow Imams preaching jihad in there any more than you should have white supremacists spreading hate.

Agreed. We need to monitor what is being preached by Imams in prison. If they preach violent Jihad, they should be tried for inciting armed insurrection.

Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:08:29am

If the guy was high then he isn't really an Islamic fundamentalist.

Last Mohican Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:08:35am

re: #35 doppelganglander

I hope this prompts an investigation into who is allowed to conduct Muslim prison ministries. Obviously you can't exclude Muslims entirely, and you shouldn't. But you also shouldn't allow Imams preaching jihad in there any more than you should have white supremacists spreading hate.

I have read a few articles about Islam in American prisons. Unfortunately none recently, or I'd provide a link.

Apparently, responsibility for vetting and training all of the Islamic chaplains in the entire American prison system has been contracted out to some radical Saudi Wahabist group that advocates murdering nonbelievers, beating women into submission, and all the other charming behavior that we've come to expect from our friends the Saudis.

Is that a good idea?

Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:09:05am

re: #50 VegasRick

Or here

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Ever read The most dangerous Game?

VegasRick Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:09:36am

re: #57 Creeping Eruption

Ever read The most dangerous Game?

No, but it sounds pretty cool.

nyc redneck Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:10:02am

re: #13 pat

Too bad Scrugs is alive.

rasheed scrugs AKA rasheed abdulghaffer.
too bad he was ever born.

Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:10:12am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

If the guy was high then he isn't really an Islamic fundamentalist.

Not necessarily. Remember, the 9/11 highjackers participated in drinking and other un-Islamic pursuits before they boarded those planes.

VegasRick Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:10:51am

re: #59 nyc redneck

rasheed scrugs AKA rasheed abdulghaffer.
too bad he was ever born.

AbdulFluffer.

Oh no...Sand People! Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:11:11am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

If the guy was high then he isn't really an Islamic fundamentalist.

In Afghanistan that is par for the course. Don't drink alcohol *supposedly* but when it comes to *opium* that's a 'cultural' thing...can't drop that...

notutopia Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:11:18am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

If the guy was high then he isn't really an Islamic fundamentalist.

So the terrorists that shot and murdered all those innocent people in Mumbai weren't Islamic fundamentalists either I guess.
/

Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:11:22am

re: #61 VegasRick

AbdulFluffer.

and fluffer he will be where he is going.

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:11:28am

re: #51 DistantThunder

We were talking about this on the earlier thread. Police shot the perp 5 times, but the guy was wearing a bullet proof vest. The police officer leaves behind a wife who is 5 months pregnant with their first child. The officer's father is a retired cop, and his brother is an officer.

I was commenting earlier that something strange is up, because Philly is a fraction of the size of NYC and yet 7 cops have been killed since 2006. Philly recently passed stronger laws to increase the length of a sentence for shooting at a cop.

But Philly is a hard core Democrat City. The idiot mayor, Nutter, was on the radio saying we have to get guns off the street. They crack down on the cowed populace and then march in the streets demanding a reduction in crime when the murder rate continues to rise.

Get. A. Clue.

There is no clue they would accept. To look at the clue would be to question their own belief that "social justice" and disarmament are the answer to the problem. What is needed are candidates for city office who do not beleive that and can effectively get their message out.

JohnAdams Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:12:03am

So Christians go into the jails to save criminals...Islam goes in to recruit them. I think somebody forgot to screw the cap back on and all the bats are flying up from Hell.

smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:12:05am

AbdulFluffernutter

Cognito Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:12:10am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

If the guy was high then he isn't really an Islamic fundamentalist.

Of course he wasn't an Islamic fundamentalist; fundamentalism isn't really in question, here.

'Prison Islam' is.

Just as lethal.

[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:12:14am

Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:12:18am

See the update above for a much more detailed article on jailhouse Islam.

Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:12:23am

re: #60 Honorary Yooper

I's sure that does happen but I also suspect that a lot of those stories are just to hurt their martyrdom image.

Kragar Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:12:33am

re: #57 Creeping Eruption

Ever read The most dangerous Game?

Nekkid human curling?

[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:12:42am

Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:13:43am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

I's sure that does happen but I also suspect that a lot of those stories are just to hurt their martyrdom image.

I'm not so sure. Apparently, if one dies as "martyr", then all those sins are absolved, and one goes directly to Paradise.

sffilk Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:13:55am

To put it politely, this sucks big time, and it's scary.

Silhouette Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:13:58am

re: #17 thefallingman

It doesn't take much to take a man already prone to violence and turn him on to an ideology that tells him his violence is a good thing and will be rewarded by god.

It is the violence and more. There is the whole supremacy angle, being told they are superior to women and all infidels. Without any effort, they are over halfway up this new "society's" scale, whereas they've always been losers in the their former society. And with Nation Of Islam, which jailhouse Islam often is, there is also the racial bigotry angle. NOI teaches that blacks are genetically superior, and that white people were created by a black scientist.

Oh no...Sand People! Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:14:13am

Seems some of the inmates need to use 'The Secret'.

FrogMarch Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:14:27am

Sources say Scrugs told a hospital staffer he was high on drugs at the time of the shooting and allegedly said, “I can’t believe I shot a cop.” ...

hmmm. Leads me to think that with our loose insanity laws - these criminals figure if they have drugs in their system, they can get away with premeditated murder.

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:14:28am

re: #69 taxfreekiller

Gordon is that you?

Who do you think is really Nodrog in disguise?

Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:14:41am

(By the way, there's a real howler of a creationist in the Dawkins thread, posting one distorted quote after another from creationist quote mines.)

[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:14:44am

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:15:02am

re: #70 Charles

See the update above for a much more detailed article on jailhouse Islam.

Thanks!

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:15:52am

re: #70 Charles

See the update above for a much more detailed article on jailhouse Islam.

Best all, look who's funding it: Our ~~friends~~ fiends, the Saudis.

mikalm Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:16:34am

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

Here you go: The Most Dangerous Game.

Great story! First read it in junior high school, back when such un-PC tales could still find their way into class materials, and teachers weren't trying to neuter adolescent boys.

Who Watches the Watchmen? Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:17:08am

re: #70 Charles

See the update above for a much more detailed article on jailhouse Islam.

The comments on that second article are amusing.

smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:17:20am

jailhouse Islam.

Does that mean it is not a religion of peace now?

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:18:30am

re: #36 smokefire

biggest problem is, NO ONE wants the GITMO refugees.

How about Devils Island?

Dry Tortugas

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:18:38am

re: #84 mikalm

Great story! First read it in junior high school, back when such un-PC tales could still find their way into class materials, and teachers weren't trying to neuter adolescent boys.

I got lucky: I read it in high school, as I went to a Catholic school that had not compromised its standards. It's very good and well worth a read.

[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:18:45am

Right mind left Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:19:12am

Makes you wonder if they transfer the Gitmo prisoners to the jailhouses then there probably would become a much larger pulpit.

As for the Philly rampant crime, makes me think of the black panthers pacing in front of the voter precinct, right at home with their billy clubs...

smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:19:57am

re: #87 Alouette

Dry Tortugas

Antarctica.
Lots of room, no place to escape to, you can pray all you want there.

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:20:32am

re: #91 smokefire

Antarctica.
Lots of room, no place to escape to, you can pray all you want there.

Who will protect the penguins?

albusteve Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:20:41am

re: #90 Right mind left

Makes you wonder if they transfer the Gitmo prisoners to the jailhouses then there probably would become a much larger pulpit.

As for the Philly rampant crime, makes me think of the black panthers pacing in front of the voter precinct, right at home with their billy clubs...

that made me sick to my stomach....they got their press time before forced to move on

mikalm Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:21:09am

re: #85 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The comments on that second article are amusing.

Any time you see someone spell "America" with a "k" (or better still, three "k"s), you know you're in moonbat country.

smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:21:13am

re: #92 Alouette

kill joy

thefallingman Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:21:40am

re: #76 Silhouette
Definitely part of the appeal.

Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:21:41am

re: #87 Alouette

Dry Tortugas

Good spot, hard to get away from. They kept Mudd there after the Civil War, IIRC.

Ron Shaw Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:21:49am

That's right, President Obama. Transfer as many of the Gitmo 'detainees' you want into the American prison system...they'll have plenty of American criminal radical Islamic converts to help mold for the future...think about the prospects....criminality for pay for the RoP against America...wow, the possibilities are mind boggling!

But, then again nothing excites the far left more domestically than a good cop killing. The cottage tee-shirt industry alone will be breath taking...Obama on the front and a murdering radical RoPer in need of 'freeing' on the back, now that's almost as rich as all these dumb ass kids on American Idol this season wearing the Arafat scarf or as my daughter says, "Dad, it's just a fashion statement." And, so was the Red Star on Ayers shirt seen back during the election and Che's picture on the walls of some of Obama's campaign headquarters. And, so will the tee-shirts be. Yep, he won.

Disgusting!

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:21:53am

re: #85 Who Watches the Watchmen?

The comments on that second article are amusing.

Not to me. One of the commentators actually trots out the old 60's "ameriKKKan" slur. Bill Ayers would feel right at home among people like that.

/spits

100

lawhawk Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:22:15am

re: #87 Alouette

Why give 'em such a nice national park?

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smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:22:15am

re: #94 mikalm

.............or Rev. Wrights congregation

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HutchUSMC Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:22:30am

ok... i may not be the first person to note this but...

Police experts and the FBI are now researching whether Scrugs and Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski’ accused killers — Howard Cain and Levon Warner, who are accused of wearing Muslim clothing during that murder — were schooled in jailhouse Islam.

seriously... are we "accusing" people of wearing "muslim clothing" now? unless it's an explosive vest i really don't care what they wear... nothing like the MSM keeping a razor sharp focus on the details that matter.

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DistantThunder Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:23:01am

re: #80 Charles

(By the way, there's a real howler of a creationist in the Dawkins thread, posting one distorted quote after another from creationist quote mines.)

They're obsessed.

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thefallingman Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:24:01am

re: #94 mikalm

Any time you see someone spell "America" with a "k" (or better still, three "k"s), you know you're in moonbat country.

As they sit in the comfort of their parents' basement confident that they will not be arrested for thier drivel by any "ameriKKKan" authorities.

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lawhawk Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:24:20am

re: #91 smokefire

Antarctica.
Lots of room, no place to escape to, you can pray all you want there.

Ah, the Rura Penthe approach.

Youtube Video

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:24:37am

Was just on criagslist. Someone posted a list of threats to American values:

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doppelganglander Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:24:52am

re: #56 Last Mohican

I have read a few articles about Islam in American prisons. Unfortunately none recently, or I'd provide a link.

Apparently, responsibility for vetting and training all of the Islamic chaplains in the entire American prison system has been contracted out to some radical Saudi Wahabist group that advocates murdering nonbelievers, beating women into submission, and all the other charming behavior that we've come to expect from our friends the Saudis.

Is that a good idea?

Obviously not. There is so much fail in this. For one thing, how does one group get to do this for the ENTIRE prison system? Are we talking federal and state? And who certifies a group for this sort of thing? Does the pro-Saudi bias in the State Department have anything to do with it?

It's probably completely unrelated, but I think the FBI severing ties with CAIR is a good first step in government agencies becoming more astute about the agenda of certain Islamic groups. Not holding my breath, of course.

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:25:03am

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smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:25:57am

re: #105 lawhawk

..............nice dog.

There's the pet for the Obama's

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thefallingman Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:25:57am

re: #106 Afrocity

5. The leadership of the SEC

Probably just a jealous supporter of an inferior Conference.

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DistantThunder Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:25:59am

re: #106 Afrocity

Was just on criagslist. Someone posted a list of threats to American values:

1. NAMBLA
2. ACORN
3. Chicago Politicians
4. Bernard Madoff
5. The leadership of the SEC
6. Most of the Hollywood Head Honchos
7. San Francisco
8. Pornographers and purveyors of filfth.
9. Wall Street Bankers
10. RHINO republicans
11. Al Franken
12. Air America
13. CAIR (Radical Islamic Group)
14. Those opposing a wall between the USA and Mexico
15. LaRaza
16. The ADA (Americans for Democratic Action)
17. Al Gore and other Environmental Frauds
18. Gangsta Rap Record Promoters and Financial Backers
19. Internet Fraudsters and Identity thieves.
20. The Nation of Islam

George Soros and all his spawned organizations.

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ilzito guacamolito Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:26:00am

re: #86 smokefire

Religion of the oppressed.

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Thor-Zone Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:26:05am

/sarc on
Islam is so peaceful and tranquil. I am always at peace whenever I think of this loving religion.
/sarc off

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outsidephilly Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:26:36am

Philly police, judge clash over memorial photo Your text to link...

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Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:27:36am

re: #106 Afrocity

Heh. "Chicago Politicians" made #3 on the list. They're a threat to Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, and the US.

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Afrocity Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:28:56am

re: #115 Honorary Yooper

Heh. "Chicago Politicians" made #3 on the list. They're a threat to Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, and the US.

CHICAGO POLITICIANS..COMING SOON TO A POLITICAL OFFICE NEAR YOU!
(yes YOU!)

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Silhouette Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:29:04am

re: #102 HutchUSMC

ok... i may not be the first person to note this but...

seriously... are we "accusing" people of wearing "muslim clothing" now? unless it's an explosive vest i really don't care what they wear... nothing like the MSM keeping a razor sharp focus on the details that matter.

That could be the word choice of the writer.
No one says, "I saw it all and I accuse them of wearing Islamic clothing." No, they likely said, "They were dressed like Muslims."

Maybe another witness disagreed, thus the writer was trying to capture the fact that they have been said to be in Muslim clothing but we aren't sure yet.

Either way, poor word choice.

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tradewind Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:29:16am

And this is a surprise because......?

It's been a problem down here for at least twenty years.

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mikalm Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:30:21am

re: #106 Afrocity

NAMBLA is #1, eh? Here's a fascinating and chilling documentary on YouTube about that gaggle of pathetic kiddy-rapers.

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smokefire Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:30:35am

1. NAMBLA
2. ACORN
3. Chicago Politicians
4. Bernard Madoff
5. The leadership of the SEC
6. Most of the Hollywood Head Honchos
7. San Francisco
8. Pornographers and purveyors of filfth.
9. Wall Street Bankers
10. RHINO republicans
11. Al Franken
12. Air America
13. CAIR (Radical Islamic Group)
14. Those opposing a wall between the USA and Mexico
15. LaRaza
16. The ADA (Americans for Democratic Action)
17. Al Gore and other Environmental Frauds
18. Gangsta Rap Record Promoters and Financial Backers
19. Internet Fraudsters and Identity thieves.
20. The Nation of Islam
21. Chris Dodd
22. Ted Kennedy
23. Nancy Pelosi
24. Barney Frank
25. Rahm Emanuel
26. Hillary

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:31:17am

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:34:45am

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notutopia Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:40:02am

re: #86 smokefire

jailhouse Islam.

Does that mean it is not a religion of peace now?

Where's the Crying out of the Moderate Muslims now?

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:40:49am

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Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:43:51am

re: #124 Seaberry

Get off my website.

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Gang of One Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:45:03am

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Wyatt Earp Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:54:32am

re: #11 Honorary Yooper

Where's Wyatt Earp? IIRC, he's rather close to this as he is from Philly. I'm curious as to his take because of that.

Sorry, work beckoned. Yes, we've heard the stories, and to be honest, the city has been rather slow on the uptake. Go figure. Now after John's murder, they seem to be more interested.

The fact of the matter is that these people need to be under constant surveillance while in prison, because that is where this is originating. I mean, these thugs hated us already, but now they are getting more organized. From my perspective, that is not good. It is not good at all.

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:56:13am

re: #125 Charles

Get off my website.

Our first meltdown of the day.

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Wyatt Earp Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:59:03am

re: #23 slamo

Obviously, a war has been started against our law enforcement in this country.

Seven of my friends/co-workers killed in two years? The war has been raging for a while.

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Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:03:15am

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Our first meltdown of the day.

Second, actually. There was another creep in the Sullivan thread.

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Ceemack Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:12:48am

Police shot the perp 5 times, but the guy was wearing a bullet proof vest.

I can't figure out why cops aren't trained in the old Mozambique drill. We keep seeing cops put at risk when they encounter perpetrators wearing body armor, but the training doesn't change. I guess head shots are just too politically incorrect.

I guess city officials figure it's better to let officers die.

But Philly is a hard core Democrat City. The idiot mayor, Nutter, was on the radio saying we have to get guns off the street.

If Scrugs had served "years in prison", he was barred by federal law from even possessing a firearm. I think it's an automatic five-year federal bit.

Some localities aggressively target firearms possession by convicted felons, and the criminal elements in those localities disarm in a hurry. Apparently Philadelphia's politicians would rather go after law-abiding gun owners than the criminals.

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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:14:56am

Cop killer Kamel Bourgass plots poison terror strike from cell - Exclusive

[Link: www.mirror.co.uk...]

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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:16:39am

re: #132 Dustyvet

Cop killer Kamel Bourgass plots poison terror strike from cell - Exclusive

[Link: www.mirror.co.uk...]

Jail veil demand of Al-Qaeda killer Kamel Bourgass - Exclusive

[Link: www.mirror.co.uk...]

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:19:49am

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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:22:21am

re: #134 ploome hineni

he can demand all he wants

let's hope the authorities ignore him

He needs to be placed in a solitary cell so deep within the prison, that they have to pipe sun shine into this ass hat.

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VioletTiger Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:30:54am

re: #114 outsidephilly

Philly police, judge clash over memorial photo Your text to link...

I almost drove off the road when I heard this. This judge should be ashamed.

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Amer-I-Can Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:47:05am

re: #7 Shug

Man, I wish you were joking.....

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NamDoc67 Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:52am

The murder rate is actually dropping in Philadelphia as the cop killings escalate:
LINK
The police are doing their job heroically, and paying the price.

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:36am

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NamDoc67 Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:53:26am

I live in the Philly news area. Here’s a revealing twist on the latest Philly cop killing. A municipal court judge thinks a memorial for the dead cop creates a “bias.” The memorial is in the police district (precinct) where the fallen officer served, in a common room also used for localized court arraignments. When the precinct commander refused the judge’s request to remove the memorial when he used the room as a courtroom, the judge personally turned the fallen cop’s photo in the memorial display face down.
LINK

This attitude, that the police represent some sort of malign force in the community - that it is legitimate to stigmatize and oppose the police, that those who oppose them have a legitimate position worthy of official recognition, is also at the root of the violence against police. Not surprisingly, a community-wide refusal to cooperate with police in fingering known neighborhood criminals is also widespread.

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roguejew Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:28:38am

I was a corrections officer for over ten years in Michigan at the Michigan Reformatory. We had The Melanic Islamic Palace of the Rising Sun, The Nation of Islam, and the Moorish Americans...All Black Nationalist Muslim groups. I had to sit in on their services many times. Hate and anti administration rhetoric was the typical "Sermon" given on what we officers labled "Hate Friday". I myself was the target of a hit as well as many of my former co-workers. Our Administration never deemed the targeted violence a threat and we usually had to rely on informants or friends in high places to keep us informed if we were targeted by any of the members of the "Religion of Peices".

Our Chaplain was ambushed twice by members of the Nation of Islam inside the chapel. Thank G-d he was a body builder, he left more victims in his wake defending himself then they tried to create.

major note, is that all of these prison muslim groups were in one way or another in cahoots with a street gang. In Michigan prisons, it was ususally the Chicago street gangs,(see the connection here) The Black Gansta Disciple Nation or the Vice Lords being associated with the two main muslim groups, The NOI and the Moorish Americans.

I left Corrections over ten years ago for the Civillian life. Took two years to get my head on straight and sober up after leaving. 4 friends of mine commited suicide. The administration does nothing to help the Custody staff and does more to cater to the needs of the Muslim groups. Much like Europe's current policy.

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amateurpundit Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:10:50pm

For the ghetto community, Islam is just 60's radicalism on steroids. It's "off the pigs" with a patina of religion. Sooner or later, someone's gonna have to deal with it.

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[deleted] Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:48:56pm

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:00:23pm

re: #84 mikalm

Great story! First read it in junior high school, back when such un-PC tales could still find their way into class materials, and teachers weren't trying to neuter adolescent boys.

Don't be such an eejit. I teach it every year to my ninth graders. It's a standard all over the U.S., and the kids love it.

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LizardAbroad Thu, Feb 19, 2009 3:28:58am

The iman built a mosque inside the Philly jail,
And so 5 times a day they all began to wail,
Political correctness says "Can't make 'em stop"
and Allah says "kill Kaffirs" so they shot a cop.

Ga-gock. Durka durka ga gock......

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Media_man Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:25:36pm

This shitbird who shot the cop last week had the full beard treatment & looked like a Muslim. Most of the 6 or 7 cops shot and killed in Philly in the past year were all shot by garden variety semi-retarded criminal types, all young black males with violent crime backgrounds. Not much of a Muslim angle, just black criminals killing white cops in the commission of a crime.

These turds are all poster children for the death penalty, but none of them ever get it. It's always life in prison, no parole. I say hang in a gibbett & let the crows peck out their eyes.

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Sensible Remnant Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:49:44am

We shall know and judge radical Islam by the fruits of it's work.

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