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1 Chicken Kiev  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:46:53am

Great way to win friends, a-hole.

What a shonda.

2 Macker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:46:58am

Frak You, Mr. Attorney General.

3 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:47:15am

As I said in the previous thread, Holder can blow it out his ass.

4 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:47:33am

Leadership you can count on.

5 Sifty  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:47:58am

Douche.

6 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:47:59am
7 quickslow87  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:00am

What a jerk.

8 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:05am

Yes! Yes, Mr. Holder! I'm a coward! I'm a coward! Thank you so much for that insight!
/

9 OrzBorz  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:07am

Melting pot implies mixing (like a soup). Not isolating everyone into separate categories. That's more of a tossed salad approach to mixing.

10 MJ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:18am

Holder urged people of all races to use Black History Month as a chance for frank talk about racial matters.

Anyone remember what happened to Daniel Patrick Moynihan when he tried that?

11 Macker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:25am

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

F*ck him and the Gramscian Horse he rode in on.

You sure that ain't a whore?

12 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:30am

This administration is just unbelievable. Can you believe it's only been a month?

It will be a miracle if we're here in four years.

13 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:33am

Making friends are we, Mr. Rich, err, Holder.

14 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:36am

Go fuck yourself, Eric.

15 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:54am
16 CIA Reject  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:48:59am

Dear Mr. Holder,

Speak for yourself shitbird!

Sincerely,
CIA Reject

17 Miss Molly  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:49:16am

WOW! So now we find out what you really think Eric. No doubt Barry is one step behind you.

18 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:49:24am

Dick Holder.

19 RaiderDan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:49:33am

Uh, didn't we just elect a black man with no experience president to cleanse ourselves of our racial sins?

20 Haole  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:49:43am

The most US hating admin evah.

21 Onslow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:49:50am

I prefer this:


A NATION OF COWARDS

22 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:50:14am

Obama said during the campaign that he was for reparations. I wonder when he's planning to unveil that plan. I'm even more curious to see what the reaction of the American people will be.

23 CAD Daddy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:50:23am

Oh yeah! And if I speak about race, such as the out-of-wedlock birth crisis in the black community I'm a racist.

24 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:50:24am

What a schmuck.

25 thefallingman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:50:43am

Like the half-million cowards of the 1860s?

26 Macker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:13am

re: #22 capitalist piglet

And how many frakkin' billions of dollars is THAT gonna cost us!

27 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:23am

Let's see...Declaration of Independence, Emancipation Declaration, the Civil War, many constitutional amendments and laws, being upheld by the Supreme Court. And now, a black President. Cowards? mmmm I don't think so. Although if Holder's comments aren't challenged, then maybe he is right.

28 WhatDoIKnow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:36am

Man am I glad he works for us Obama.

29 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:41am
30 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:48am

Well, he's speaking for liberals, so I'll accept this at face value.

31 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:49am
Holder said average Americans "simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

In my lifetime, we've talked so much about it that I'm numb.

32 ashan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:51:51am

Holder is just one of The One's many, many bearers of ill-will.

33 Miss Molly  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:52:02am

I can't say I am suprised that Eric Holder thinks this anymore than I would be suprised to find Obama thinks the same thing.

34 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:52:11am

re: #27 Golem Akbar

{GOLEM}

35 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:52:26am

re: #26 Macker

And how many frakkin' billions of dollars is THAT gonna cost us!

billions ? That's so 2001.

CHANGE.

36 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:52:27am

I really wish he would be more specific.

37 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:52:29am
38 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:52:58am

Re-posting meself:

Oh cripes!

From that link:
'The nation's first black attorney general, Holder said the American workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.'
Yeah - and because we've got blacks here in the UK as well, and 'race-conscious' libtard politicians, now some of our National parks get less state money for upkeep - because there ain't so many blacks visiting them.
Why would a Jamaican-born Londoner go to the Peak district and climb up mountains in the pelting rain if he can sit comfortably at home?
Its only mad, white Brits who do that ...

Another quote:
'Holder argued that people who work at the Justice Department have a special responsibility to advance racial understanding.'

Yeah - like, understanding that justice is colour blind.
Oh ... thats not what he meant?

39 KingKenrod  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:53:26am

And yet, we are clearly the nation most capable of actually accepting and assimilating immigrants, as opposed to the ghettoizing that goes on in Europe and the outright apartheid in many non-Western countries. You can't swing a dead cat in "enlightened" Europe without hitting a real left or right wing racist.

40 Right mind left  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:53:29am

WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT? (or should I be afraid to ask)?

41 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:53:38am

re: #34 WriterMom

{GOLEM}

WM!
(youdamom)

42 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:53:44am

re: #22 capitalist piglet

Obama said during the campaign that he was for reparations. I wonder when he's planning to unveil that plan. I'm even more curious to see what the reaction of the American people will be.

If the justice department wants more talk about race, reparations is the logical conclusion of where this dialog is going.

43 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:53:53am

We don't talk enough about race?

Good Lord is this guy out of touch.

That's all we talk about.

44 horse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:54:03am

We do hate government officials who make asinine statements like that though. Especially after they have been too cowardly to take responsibility for their role in buying the pardon of a major fugitive from Justice.

45 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:54:07am

Hello dickhead, we haven't forgotten about Marc Rich.

46 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:54:38am
“Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards.”


Why is this? It's because both the left and the right don't support free speech. Al Sharpton, Bill Donnahue or CAIR will get you fired or boycott your business for violating racial or religious feelings. The opponents of free speech have trained us to be cowards.

47 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:54:48am

re: #42 DeafDog

If the justice department wants more talk about race, reparations is the logical conclusion of where this dialog is going.

I don't believe there's any doubt about that. This is a precursor.

48 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:54:50am

re: #40 Right mind left

WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT? (or should I be afraid to ask)?

If you don't instinctively know, and immediately agree with him, it's because you are a racist.

RACIST!

49 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:55:01am

Empty suit Jerk hired empty suit Jerk.

Regarding BHO, someone pointed out on another blog yesterday just how passive and submissive he was growing up and just what a dominating b*tch his grandmother was. Apparently her personality and her politics resembled Michelle's. Barry is just an obvious emotional recidivist.

50 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:55:03am
"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards. Though race-related issues continue to occupy a significant portion of our political discussion, and though there remain many unresolved racial issues in this nation, we, average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

That makes absolutely no sense. "We talk incessantly about race -- but we just don't talk enough about race!"

Shut up, fool. We talk too much about race.

Racism has been kept alive in this country by left-wing race-baiters will insist on a culture of racial "identity politics" being inculcated in our children. We had the opportunity to become post-racial, to stop obsessing over it, but it was the multiculturalists who would not let the issue fade away, and who (intentionally or not) maintained "racial consciousness" in America.

I for one wish we would forever stop caring about, noticing or even mentioning anyone's race, because it is completely irrelevant to someone's personhood.

The more that wrongheaded idiots like Eric Holder insist we obsess over race, the more we will be a racially divided country.

51 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:55:12am

re: #43 JammieWearingFool

We don't talk enough about race?

Good Lord is this guy out of touch.

That's all we talk about.


/Didn't we just elect a black man to be president? I'm drawing a blank.

52 jaunte  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:55:12am

The criminal Eric Holder can shut his racist pie hole. He has nothing to teach me.

53 jorline  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:55:22am
"essentially a nation of cowards.”


Par for the course.

54 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:55:26am

Is it just me, or is it getting hot in this handbasket?

55 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:55:36am

A nation of 'cowards' regarding race that just elected a black president.

/gimmeabreak.

56 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:55:48am

I'm guessing this is some sort of buildup to the If you have a problem with President 0bama and his policies, you must be some sort of bigoted redneck pining for the days of Jim Crow argument.

Cowardice would be holding back in my criticism of 0bama because he's half black...

57 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:55:50am

Did anybody have the "courage" to ask him what those "many unresolved racial issues in this nation" are? Because I'd really like to know.

58 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:55:58am

re: #51 Golem Akbar

GMTA! YOUDA GOLEM.

59 Right mind left  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:56:01am

re: #48 Last Mohican

If you don't instinctively know, and immediately agree with him, it's because you are a racist.

RACIST!

Yup, I had a creeeeeepy feeling that was it.

/

60 ilzito guacamolito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:56:04am

Tool.

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:56:08am

My Dear Mister Holder, why is it worthy of being called cowardly if I -- like my (Southern-born) father before me -- chose to move on, to take part in building something better?

Mr Dear Mister Holder, your views are (if not, perhaps, you yourself) politically-motivated racism.

/Eric Holder, the kinder and gentler face of institutionalized racism today

62 FightingBack  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:56:11am

Cowards about what? We work together. What about talking it up would make us heroic?

63 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:56:22am
64 Miss Molly  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:56:59am

Reparations will be on Obama's agenda. It is just a matter of timing when he brings that up . He has made it very clear that there should be payback but refuses to say what that payback should be.

65 Milk in a Box  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:57:04am

We are so cowardly when it comes to race, we elected a black man as President. Such cowardice. Next time, we'll vote for a white man.

Wait, that's not what he meant?
/

66 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:57:17am

Hey Mr. Holder: I inherited this cowardice.

/talk to your boss

67 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:57:19am
68 Sifty  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:57:25am

re: #49 lifeofthemind

President Norman Bates

69 poli_wog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:57:31am

Well if that isn't pot calling the kettle...

never mind.

70 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:57:45am

re: #57 HelloDare

The unresolved issue that YOU ARE A RACIST PIG.

/got it?

71 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:58:10am

re: #50 zombie

That makes absolutely no sense. "We talk incessantly about race -- but we just don't talk enough about race!"

Shut up, fool. We talk too much about race.

Racism has been kept alive in this country by left-wing race-baiters will insist on a culture of racial "identity politics" being inculcated in our children. We had the opportunity to become post-racial, to stop obsessing over it, but it was the multiculturalists who would not let the issue fade away, and who (intentionally or not) maintained "racial consciousness" in America.

I for one wish we would forever stop caring about, noticing or even mentioning anyone's race, because it is completely irrelevant to someone's personhood.

The more that wrongheaded idiots like Eric Holder insist we obsess over race, the more we will be a racially divided country.


I sense the new AG will soon be starting a new campaign that will make our PC last few years as nothing. It'll be a new racial jihad. We'll be looking under our beds for racists, and turning in our neighbors.

72 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:58:14am

We elect the first African American President, he is our first AA AG, I don't understand how he can say this.This was unthinkable 60 years ago. 40 years ago you would have been considered crazy for thinking this, even 15 years ago, this was considered a LONG way off.

Yet here we are.

Mr. Holder, America has proven its mettle, why don't you prove yours by expressing how proud you are to be serving as the foremost attorney in our nation and we live in a nation that has proven time and again we wish to be a meritocracy?

I am not sure where your head is stuck, but please pull it out and see things clearly.

73 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:58:20am

Request for his resignation in 3....2......1.....

Is this the "Hope and Change" promised by the Messiah ?

Good God.

74 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:58:22am

re: #40 Right mind left

WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT? (or should I be afraid to ask)?

You don't have a gibberish filter?

75 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:58:28am

Damn. The porkulus bill has been signed already. I sure hope we threw a couple billion at those many unresolved racial issues.

76 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:58:34am

This is like the movie crash " you are all racists, even if you didn't know you are a racist you hate all black people"

77 horse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:58:35am

Perhaps he is talking about racial as in Nascar?

You recall they did get vaccinations before visiting a race because they didn't want to catch anything from the patrons of the event. That is kind of cowardly.

78 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:58:41am

re: #64 Miss Molly

Reparations will be on Obama's agenda. It is just a matter of timing when he brings that up . He has made it very clear that there should be payback but refuses to say what that payback should be.

I got the impression from his interview with the Honolulu newspaper last summer that we're talking something cold and hard. Mere apologies aren't going to cut it anymore.

79 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:58:47am

re: #54 Ford_Prefect

It's just you.

80 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:59:22am

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

Because, frankly, Eric, the topic is boring. And because, while the larger society has spent the last 40 years attempting to look past the incidental of skin color and the pseudoscience which "race" represents, a bunch of people within a certain minority have spent that same 40 years doing nothing but obsess over that same incidental and that same pseudoscience--ironically, starting from the moment that the Civil Rights Movement achieved its greatest victory.

I agree 100%. Your comment #63 and my comment #50 make the exact same point.

81 Raven1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:59:38am

A nation of cowards? has this pos ever served his country in the armed forces during a time of war? I really don't know the answer to this.

82 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:59:44am

re: #79 WriterMom

It's just you.

Gee, thanks. /

83 ashan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:00am

I'd like to see that Holder wimp call some our best fighting men and women "cowards" to their faces.

May they wipe up the floor with him!

84 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:05am

re: #51 Golem Akbar

/Didn't we just elect a black man to be president? I'm drawing a blank.

In fact, we just elected a man president for no other reason except that he is black. And we didn't stop talking about race from the moment when he started running for president. And we allowed him to excuse some of his horrific past transgressions by saying that he couldn't help it, because he was black. And we automatically labeled any criticism of him as racist, because he is black. And then we put him all over the covers of magazines, and made commemorative plates and teddy bears and T-shirts, and baked Barack Obama cookies and cupcakes, and named entire schools after him even before he took office, for no other reason than that he is black.

And yet still, we don't talk enough about race.

If we are going to talk more about race than we already do, everyone will need to take a one-year leave of absence from work, so that we can all get together and talk race full-time. There just aren't enough hours in the day otherwise.

85 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:16am

re: #82 Ford_Prefect

Just kidding!

86 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:23am

People are too afraid to talk about race, because if you do you are a RACIST.
Everyone is just to f*cking sensitive.

87 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:31am

This is the same twit who wants to take away our guns?

88 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:44am

If I have to have one more conversation about race or racism, I swear to G-d I'LL PUKE ALL OVER THE INTRATUBES.

89 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:51am

re: #82 Ford_Prefect

Gee, thanks. /

I feel the heat, too, Ford...or maybe it's another hot flash...nevermind.

90 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:55am

re: #87 MandyManners

This is the same twit who wants to take away our guns?

And now you know why.

91 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:57am

re: #87 MandyManners

And your money!

92 jorline  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:00:57am

With this administration you have to be on your toes at all times and self motivated.

Only because they tell you on a daily basis how bad everything is and what a piece of shit you really are.

93 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:04am
94 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:06am

re: #81 Raven1

Unknown, but my bet is he considers community organizing to be as or more important than military service.
What a turd we have for AG.

95 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:06am
Holder said average Americans "simply do not talk enough with each other about race."


I had several discussions this weekend about Daytona.
/

Seriously - I would wager that an overwhelming majority of us have moved on - we support equal rights, not special rights - we judge based on someone's character not skin color... no Mr. Holder, it's not US - it's YOU.

96 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:10am

Attorney General is a COWARD. Take that Obamble....

97 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:23am

re: #64 Miss Molly

Reparations will be on Obama's agenda. It is just a matter of timing when he brings that up . He has made it very clear that there should be payback but refuses to say what that payback should be.


Great....I'll gladly pay reparations when the Queen of England cuts me a check for starving my ancestors off their land in the Emerald Isle.

98 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:42am

re: #68 Sifty

President Norman Bates

We had teams of TV shrinks willing to speculate about every possible pathology they could toss at George Bush when he gives every indication of being extraordinarily well adjusted. Obama waves signs and even wrote, or at least contributed to, books that make clear that he is a one man full employment plan for psychiatrists but we hear .....?

99 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:42am

OT: Morning Cup of Links: Trucking the Alps

This line caught my eye:

Traditional media is in trouble, if not dying out already. How will we get our news in the future?

(Link goes to Salon.com story about how subsidizing newspapers may be . . . wait for it . . . the only answer.)

You know, if we could rely on traditional media to reliably deliver objective news, perhaps they would have an audience, and wouldn't be dying out!

100 Right mind left  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:44am

re: #70 WriterMom

The unresolved issue that YOU ARE A RACIST PIG.

/got it?

And who passes out the lipstick again? Can we talk about THAT?re: #74 debutaunt

You don't have a gibberish filter?


What I really want to know is where is he going with this now...

101 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:52am

re: #68 Sifty

President Norman Bates

"Mother!"

/cue screeching music

102 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:54am

so when are they introducing reparations, i expect it sometime around July.

103 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01:58am

re: #86 bellamags

Glad to see YOU'RE not too f&cking sensitive. F&ck that, and f&ck sensitivity training.

104 Lynn B.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:02:00am

re: #50 zombie

That makes absolutely no sense. "We talk incessantly about race -- but we just don't talk enough about race!"

Shut up, fool. We talk too much about race.

Racism has been kept alive in this country by left-wing race-baiters will insist on a culture of racial "identity politics" being inculcated in our children. We had the opportunity to become post-racial, to stop obsessing over it, but it was the multiculturalists who would not let the issue fade away, and who (intentionally or not) maintained "racial consciousness" in America.

I for one wish we would forever stop caring about, noticing or even mentioning anyone's race, because it is completely irrelevant to someone's personhood.

The more that wrongheaded idiots like Eric Holder insist we obsess over race, the more we will be a racially divided country.

Exactly.

105 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:02:20am

re: #86 bellamags

People are too afraid to talk about race, because if you do you are a RACIST.
Everyone is just to f*cking sensitive.


/I am so offended by what you just wrote.

106 Bumr50  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:02:20am

What a piece of crap.

107 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:02:22am

Who the hell does Holder think he is, Jesse Jackson?

108 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:02:24am

re: #71 Golem Akbar

I sense the new AG will soon be starting a new campaign that will make our PC last few years as nothing. It'll be a new racial jihad. We'll be looking under our beds for racists, and turning in our neighbors.

I am terribly afraid that you are correct.

It will be like the Cultural Revolution, but race-based instead of class-based.

Those, like us, who try to look past race will be the most despised of all.

109 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:02:45am

re: #100 Right mind left

What I really want to know is where is he going with this now...

Right to your bank account probably.

110 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:02:50am
111 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:02:52am

re: #103 WriterMom

Glad to see YOU'RE not too f&cking sensitive. F&ck that, and f&ck sensitivity training.

dude. you are PISSED.

112 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:06am

re: #107 HelloDare

HAHAHAH good one.

113 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:14am

I hate the feds...calling me a coward

114 JohnnyReb  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:15am

re: #67 unreconstructed rebel

If that is the attitude of this administration, then it's time to uncase the colors.

I am literally in a state of shock that he would even say that. Truly there is one huge hidden agenda in the White house. And I thought people were overreacting.

115 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:17am

re: #105 Golem Akbar

/I am so offended by what you just wrote.

/I'm offended that you took offense at that!

116 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:34am

Uh, I have nothing to say to that. Nada. I just hope he realizes that the epithet he just hurled cuts both ways across the ethnic spectrum.

117 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:34am

re: #108 zombie

hey welcome to canada, where u can take people to HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISIONS for being racists.

It sucks, and makes every sentence we speak "no offense but" grrr i hate it.

118 guftafs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:34am

Don't see any other western country having elected a non-white head of state yet.

In case you thought racism only exists in the US in modern times, this was London, post WWII.

119 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:37am

re: #111 bellamags

I am not a dude! I am a chick!

/sobbing at keyboard, reaching for lipstick

120 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:37am

re: #100 Right mind left

What I really want to know is where is he going with this now...


There will be a new black list, for starters.
Except it'll have to have a different name...

121 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:37am

re: #91 WriterMom

And your money!

He's a socialist. Wait....that's racial code.

Ack! To call it code is code!

ACK Ack! To say it's code to call it code is code!

/yeah, we don't talk enough about race.

122 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:41am

bbl

123 jaunte  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:45am

Holder is corrupt.

"An investigation championed by Republican House Government Reform Committee chairman Rep. Dan Burton concluded, in a 2003 report covering 177 Clinton pardons, that Holder had played a significant role in facilitating the Rich pardon, first by recommending the well-connected Jack Quinn to legal representatives of Marc Rich, by failing to fully inform prosecutors of the pending pardon, and by eventually delivering a "neutral leaning favorable" opinion of the twilight pardon to the President from a position of authority.[17] Holder has expressed some regret over his handling of the Rich pardon, stating "I wish I had done some things differently with regard to the Marc Rich matter. Specifically, I wish that I had ensured that the Department of Justice was more fully informed and involved in this pardon process"

Holder was also involved in Clinton's decision to reduce the sentences of 16 members of the Boricua Popular Army, an organization that has been categorized by the FBI as a terrorist organization. The clemency request was initially opposed in 1996 by U.S. Pardons Attorney Margaret Love. When Holder was elevated to Deputy Attorney General in 1997, he was asked to reexamine the issue by three members of Congress. In July 1999, Holder recommended clemency to President Clinton with a report from then U.S. Pardons Attorney Roger Adams that neither supported nor opposed clemency. A month later, the clemency was granted by Clinton. According to The Hartford Courant, the clemency was unusual because it was opposed by the FBI, the federal prosecutor and the victims. According to the newspaper, it was also unusual because, before the commutations, the Boricua Popular Army members were not required to repudiate their actions, and they were not asked to provide any information concerning the whereabouts of Victor Manuel Gerena, a co-conspirator and one of the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives, or the millions of dollars stolen by the group in a 1983 robbery of Wells Fargo in West Hartford, Connecticut.[19]


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

124 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:48am

re: #86 bellamags

People are too afraid to talk about race, because if you do you are a RACIST.
Everyone is just to f*cking sensitive.

Racist!

Good afternoon bella.

125 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:51am

re: #87 MandyManners

This is the same twit who wants to take away our guns?

Can you blame him? If I walked around thinking this about the American people, I damned sure wouldn't want them armed.

126 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:52am

re: #105 Golem Akbar

Hehehehehhe

127 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:03:58am

It's in the interests of the left to keep identity politics alive and well. Holder's just playing his petty role in that farce.

128 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:01am

re: #109 WriterMom

Right to your bank account probably.

The whole flippin' banking system...

129 RedAce99  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:01am

Is this the Change voters were looking for?
Being Berated by a Jackass...
Who responds to this type of rhetoric?

130 KenJen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:03am

This administration, in a matter of a few weeks, has made me want to cheat on my taxes, stop making my house payment, and quit my job.

131 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:08am

re: #100 Right mind left

What I really want to know is where is he going with this now...

Reparations

132 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:18am

I just realized Holder was black. That's how much of a race problem we have in this country. PEOPLE DON'T CARE WHAT RACE YOU ARE.

133 jjag  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:19am

Wow, it takes a lot of courage to call an entire nation cowards.

Somehow I don't see Holder having the guts to call any INDIVIDUAL a coward.

Me thinks this is just another instance of the liberal penchant to "project".

Its Holder who is the real coward (as someone above aptly pointed out) as he was remarkably pliable in the despicable Marc Rich episode.

Talking tough to everyone is about as bold as talking tough to no one. Holder's the coward, he knows it and hopes to shift his reality by acting "bold".

Won't work honey. Come crunch time we all know you'll fold.

134 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:23am

re: #90 unreconstructed rebel

And now you know why.

re: #91 WriterMom

And your money!

Cold, dead fingers and all that.

135 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:23am

re: #115 gmsc

/I'm offended that you took offense at that!

/I'm offended because you too are offending my offensive comment.

136 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:28am

There is a reason for this. He wants the job title without having to do the job. His boss is the same way, off to permanent campaign mode. Now that Holder is the AG he faces a problem. Somebody might expect RESULTS. Better to start tossing the furniture over right away.

137 Miss Molly  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:39am

Fenway-Nation -- I don't think the Oueen is ever going to write you a check so please don't wait by the mail box any longer.

138 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:46am
Holder said average Americans "simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

Does it occur to him that one of the reason's for this is because the left has turned any.....and I mean any discussion of race into a weapon to destroy anybody not in lockstep agreement.......

139 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:04:58am

re: #119 WriterMom

I am not a dude! I am a chick!

/sobbing at keyboard, reaching for lipstick

People have noticed your tattoos.

140 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:04am

re: #110 Iron Fist

Say hello to my little friend !

141 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:06am
142 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:20am

re: #134 MandyManners

Cold, dead fingers and all that.

"That oughta rotate."

143 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:28am

re: #119 WriterMom

I am not a dude! I am a chick!

/sobbing at keyboard, reaching for lipstick

LOL. I know. its a habit because i hung around surfers my whole life. I know you are a beautiful vibrant woman. (writermom)

144 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:30am
145 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:30am

re: #115 gmsc

/I'm offended that you took offense at that!


/I would cry, but that would be offensive...

146 Ruebacca  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:35am

Can't we move on about race. Blacks at one time or another have occupied every possible position in the US. When will Blacks stop being so sensitive and get on with it.

147 AuntAcid  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:35am

Oh for gosh sakes, why not make "it" mandatory...what's the harm in a little more regulation? It's for our own good, don't ya know.

148 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:38am
Holder said average Americans "simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

Oh for crap's sake.

149 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:46am

re: #125 Guanxi88

Can you blame him? If I walked around thinking this about the American people, I damned sure wouldn't want them armed.

But, why disarm a coward?

150 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:47am

re: #124 Ford_Prefect

Racist!

Good afternoon bella.

Hey Ford. Good afternoon to YOU!

151 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:05:53am

Never thought I'd say this, but I pine for the days of Edwin Meese and John Ashcroft.

152 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:06:05am

"You're afraid to talk about America's racist legacy. When you confront that legacy head-on, you'll realize you have to do something about it. You'll have to change."

That's where this is going.

153 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:06:09am

re: #144 DeafDog

we should all chip in and buy one share each, then dump it on mass.

im down

154 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:06:10am

re: #145 Golem Akbar

/I would cry, but that would be offensive...

I object to being objected to before I've had the opportunity to bore or offend,

155 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:06:17am
156 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:06:23am
Holder continued, "It is an issue we have never been at ease with and given our nation's history this is in some ways understandable. And yet, if we are to make progress in this area we must feel comfortable enough with one another, and tolerant enough of each other, to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us. But we must do more -- and we in this room bear a special responsibility. Through its work and through its example this Department of Justice, as long as I am here, must -- and will -- lead the nation to the 'new birth of freedom' so long ago promised by our greatest President. This is our duty and our solemn obligation."

An empty bullshit paragraph.
You brought it up, Mr. Holder, so 'splain yourself.
We must be more tolerant just won't cut it.
Be specific.

That'll happen.

157 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:06:27am

re: #135 bellamags

/I'm offended because you too are offending my offensive comment.

Does that mean you are defending your offensiveness?

158 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:06:33am

re: #130 KenJen

Hopeandchange! It's working

/say three Hail Obama's and it will all be ok...

159 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:06:38am

re: #119 WriterMom

I am not a dude! I am a chick!

/sobbing at keyboard, reaching for lipstick


Hey, I'm from California. Chicks can be dudes, here. [wait! What am I saying?][

160 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:06:54am

re: #141 Iron Fist

The very same twit. He thinks we are cowards. He may wind up finding out how very wrong he is about that.

Do you have any idea what will be the first move?

161 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:06am

re: #157 Ford_Prefect

Does that mean you are defending your offensiveness?

absolutely. and i am offended you had to ask.
/

162 turn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:07am

"Though race-related issues continue to occupy a significant portion of our political discussion, and though there remain many unresolved racial issues in this nation, we, average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

Maybe that's because we no longer see it as such a divisive issue dumb ass.

163 jester6  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:12am

re: #10 MJ

Holder urged people of all races to use Black History Month as a chance for frank talk about racial matters.

Anyone remember what happened to Daniel Patrick Moynihan when he tried that?

Now there is a blast from the past.

I think time has shown Daniel Patrick Moynihan's flavor of social policy has been an abysmal failure. I also think he was an intellectually honest man and would be the first to admit he was wrong if he were alive today.

Those who call themselves intellectuals on the left today would not be fit to shine this man's shoes.

164 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:16am

re: #99 gmsc

Damn....I was just being snarky back in the fall when I suggested the NY Times, Seattle Post-Intelligencer and Chicago Tribune get some sort of bailout money.

Curious how the left accused FOX news of being nothing more than a mouthpiece of the Bush admin the last eight years, but I bet they'd have no problem with all these media companies being directly subsidized by the Federal Gov't...

165 jorline  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:20am

re: #106 Bumr50

What a piece of crap.

I know I am and so are you according to Team Obama.

166 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:25am

re: #142 WriterMom

"That oughta rotate."

So should Holder.

167 MJ  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:26am

Great Moments in Discussions on Race:

Roy Innis VS. Al Sharpton

168 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:27am

re: #149 MandyManners

But, why disarm a coward?

No, he doesn't think Americans are cowards, he thinks we're racists. The cowards thing was just a ruse and convenient term of abuse.

169 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:29am

re: #152 godfrey

This is going to reparations or gulag. Your choice.

170 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:31am

So, I get up every day and go to work so I can save some money so I can support my family and home, and I'm a coward... well f**k you very much, Holder. I think you're projecting.

171 Sifty  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:37am

re: #98 lifeofthemind

I can profile O in 10 seconds.

He's a pussy.

A candy-ass metrosexual egomaniac wannabe communist with delusions of his own importance.

And he hires douchebags to surround himself in the familiar.

172 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:47am

re: #132 HelloDare

I just realized Holder was black. That's how much of a race problem we have in this country. PEOPLE DON'T CARE WHAT RACE YOU ARE.

Exactly! We're going around judging people by the content of their character, rather than by the color of their skin! How horrible! Can you imagine how upset the heroes of our civil rights movement would have been if they had lived to see this?

173 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:07:48am

re: #166 MandyManners

Sit and spin?

174 barry the baptist  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:13am

Cowards, huh? I'll guess that the terrorists, er, uh, CRIMINAL group he defended from Puerto Rico has the real 'heroes' then.

Someone wrote recently here wondering 'whether all Dem's hate the country or just the one's in office.' Man, one really has to wonder.....

Maybe when this A-HOLE goes to Cuba next week..he'll just stay there.

175 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:15am

re: #171 Sifty

Tell us what you really think. C'mon, don't hold back.

176 azul93gt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:18am

A nation of cowards on racial matters... compared to who?

I'd love for the loving libz to give us a run down of the countries in the world with better racial relationships than the USA, and don't tell me Brazil because I've been there, and it doesn't.

Mayabe he's refering to his wonderful Cuba? From what I can see it doesn't either.

177 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:19am

re: #144 DeafDog

In other news.....New York Times’ Share Price Less Than Sunday Newspaper Price

They can do a promotion. Buy the paper and a stock certificate is included. One in ten get a fish instead so you have a chance of getting something for your money.

178 Miss Molly  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:21am

I suspect by the time these next four years go by Obama and Holder will leave some very deep resentments when they are finished. This is just the beginning!

179 jamgarr  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:21am

You don't know me Mr. Holder. How dare you stereotype me!

/think about it sir

180 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:26am
Holder said average Americans "simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

I've never quite understood what is meant by this. Am I supposed to sit down with my friends who are of different racial backgrounds and have a long conversation?...Am I supposed to appologize for something? Am I supposed to tell them that I feel their pain?...I don't get it.

I have close friends who are black, Asian, hispanic; am I supposed to invite them over for a talk?

I'm in an inter-racial marriage and the subject of race never comes up between us. Is that a bad thing?

181 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:31am

re: #162 turn

"Though race-related issues continue to occupy a significant portion of our political discussion, and though there remain many unresolved racial issues in this nation, we, average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

Maybe that's because we no longer see it as such a divisive issue dumb ass.

DINGDINGDING!

182 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:51am

re: #164 Fenway_Nation

Damn....I was just being snarky back in the fall when I suggested the NY Times, Seattle Post-Intelligencer and Chicago Tribune get some sort of bailout money.

Curious how the left accused FOX news of being nothing more than a mouthpiece of the Bush admin the last eight years, but I bet they'd have no problem with all these media companies being directly subsidized by the Federal Gov't...

There has been a movement in Seattle to rescue the PI with taxpayer money.

I feel like I'm watching a movie. This is all just so surreal.

183 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:08:55am

re: #150 bellamags

Hey Ford. Good afternoon to YOU!

We recruited some more lizards for facebook this morning. Erik the Red and Assuimagpie are now on friends list.

184 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:15am

re: #151 zombie

Amen!

185 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:17am

re: #86 bellamags

People are too afraid to talk about race, because if you do you are a RACIST.
Everyone is just to f*cking sensitive.

Asterisks piss me off.

186 Sifty  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:17am

re: #120 Golem Akbar

The Happy Unicorn Hope List

187 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:19am

PUBLIC. APOLOGY.

For starters

/feh, it'll never happen.

188 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:19am

re: #154 Guanxi88

I object to being objected to before I've had the opportunity to bore or offend,

Somehow, that's racist...[how? I'm working on it...]

189 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:22am

re: #169 WriterMom

This is going to reparations or gulag. Your choice.

Nine grams.

190 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:30am

Bullshit!
There's a double standard in America.
It's not about equality.
It's about payback!

191 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:49am
192 KenJen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:51am

re: #158 WriterMom

Go to Hail Obama. Go to Hail Obama. Go to Hail Obama. Thanks WriterMom. I feel better.

193 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:09:51am

re: #187 Bloodnok


RESIGNATION

/that's more like it.

194 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:10:00am

re: #168 Guanxi88

No, he doesn't think Americans are cowards, he thinks we're racists. The cowards thing was just a ruse and convenient term of abuse.

So, he wants to disarm racists?

195 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:10:07am

What this is, is a 'shout out' to Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson, that just because America just elected a (partial) African-American, they won't allow their 'Racial Franchise' to erode as they continue to blackmail businesses and cities across the nation....

196 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:10:41am

re: #173 WriterMom

Sit and spin?

Something like that. Yeah.

197 Sifty  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:10:44am

re: #175 WriterMom

keyboard Tourettes today

Holding my sleeping 9mo in my arms. Fearing for his future.

198 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:10:47am

whats funny is in Canada black people by race have the highest level of university attendence at over 42% last time i checked.

199 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:03am

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

Great....I'll gladly pay reparations when the Queen of England cuts me a check for starving my ancestors off their land in the Emerald Isle.

Ah - but Tony Blair has fully apologised for that, a few years ago.
That is sufficient. The French agree!

200 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:07am

re: #159 Golem Akbar

WriterMom screams! Aghast, goes running back to suburban house with white picket fence screaming LA LA LA NOT LISTENING TO YOU.

201 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:20am

re: #169 WriterMom

This is going to reparations or gulag. Your choice.

Gulags, please! I've been over this before. There won't be re-education camps or gulagi here; maintenance and logistics.

Thanks to the communication revolution, it's possible now to simply inter the entire population in a sort of virtual prison. Why put up barbed wire when you can instead cover the prisoners with a fine mesh of interlocking rules, regulations, and bureaucratic restrictions? Why put folks to busting rock when you can instead find the highest and best (and therefore highest value) use for them in their current careers, and instead so distort and skew the economy as to make of them slaves who work to pay for the privilege of their captivity?

Far more efficient will be the gulag state of the future.

202 turn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:22am

re: #167 MJ

Thanks for that link, some people can be their own worst enemy.

203 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:25am

He (0bama) is just knocking the weak ones down so he can build them back up again by saying "look how much you have changed since I took office".

204 Sifty  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:29am

re: #190 IslandLibertarian

the Civil Revenge Movement

205 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:34am

re: #163 jester6

Now there is a blast from the past.

I think time has shown Daniel Patrick Moynihan's flavor of social policy has been an abysmal failure. I also think he was an intellectually honest man and would be the first to admit he was wrong if he were alive today.

Those who call themselves intellectuals on the left today would not be fit to shine this man's shoes.

He was a brilliant, fair-minded thinker. He was a man of the left, but always considered both sides before making conclusions. I agree that he would be very disappointed by today's intellectuals..or so-called intellectuals.

206 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:36am

re: #198 pegcity

Affirmative Action?

Hey, Toronto got its first Afrocentric school. Rev. Wright must be ecstatic

207 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:40am
208 Ruebacca  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:52am

re: #35 SasquatchOnSteroids

billions ? That's so 2001.

CHANGE.

Trillions or it's not change we can belivie in.

209 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:53am

re: #172 Last Mohican

Exactly! We're going around judging people by the content of their character, rather than by the color of their skin! How horrible! Can you imagine how upset the heroes of our civil rights movement would have been if they had lived to see this?

My answer when liberal friends ask me why I didn't vote for Obama: I agree with Martin Luther King. A man should be judged by the content of his character not the color of his skin.

210 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:11:58am

re: #45 Ward Cleaver

Hello dickhead, we haven't forgotten about Marc Rich.

Marc Rich still owes this nation boatloads of back taxes. But since Marc gives charitably to Democrats- the US will never see that money. Thank you Eric Holder... you COWARD.

211 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:12:01am

re: #201 Guanxi88

Gulag here too plz

212 The Other Les  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:12:16am

re: #22 capitalist piglet

Obama said during the campaign that he was for reparations. I wonder when he's planning to unveil that plan. I'm even more curious to see what the reaction of the American people will be.

"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"

And so on...

213 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:12:26am

re: #197 Sifty

keyboard Tourettes today

Holding my sleeping 9mo in my arms. Fearing for his future.

You don't have to fear if you have a wide-awake 9mm in your other arm.

214 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:12:45am

something tells me at 56 I'm well into my old age...I'm gonna hunker down and hope for change...NM seems to be a good place right now

215 Gus  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:12:47am

Eric Holder must live in a cave. No doubt being an over-payed attorney will result in this.

American's "are cowards" and "do not talk enough about race?" It's the other way around. With regards to race this has been on the national forefront since the Civil War and since the 1960s we've been in this dialogue on a daily basis. It is in our laws; on our campuses; in the media; in the streets; in our literature; etc.

So much so that race issues probably have an impact on the GDP and in many sectors has become an industry in itself. This would not be limited to civil rights law; popular race speakers such as Jackson, Sharpton, et al; movies; talk shows; books; magazine; and so on. I would venture to guess that the "issue" of race generates revenue totaling into the billions. Unfortunately, most of that money is pocketed by the race whores well known in American popular culture.

Many of us (including myself) have had to deal with or ponder issues of race. The only coward in this matter is Eric Holder who is too isolated to see the real America.

216 BLBfootballs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:12:47am
“Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards.”

What the %$*#@! is wrong with this guy?

217 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:12:59am

re: #201 Guanxi88

So, do you think the gulag will have room service? Spa pedicures?

218 FightingBack  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:13:11am

Be careful what you wish for, Holder. If we open the discussion about why some people get appointed because of their race, you may not like the conclusions that are drawn.

219 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:13:12am

re: #212 The Other Les

"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"

And so on...

Make your signs now. You'll need 'em.

220 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:13:15am

re: #159 Golem Akbar

Hey, I'm from California. Chicks can be dudes, here. [wait! What am I saying?][

I have no problem with that. It's when dudes are chicks that I get a little squeamish.

221 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:13:20am

re: #212 The Other Les

Yesterday's stimulus package was the first installment of reparations-$4 billion for 'community organizers...etc.

222 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:13:24am

We just elected the first black president and we're still cowards. Bite me, Mr Holder.

223 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:13:30am

re: #216 BLBfootballs

What the %$*#@! is wrong with this guy?

He's a commie bastard, too?

224 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:13:43am

re: #217 WriterMom

yes,,, electric SPA

225 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:13:44am

re: #197 Sifty

You just hold him, love him and raise him right, the rest will take care of itself.

226 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:14:10am

re: #180 Ringo the Gringo

I'm in an inter-racial marriage and the subject of race never comes up between us. Is that a bad thing?

Yes -- off to the Indoctrination Camps with both of you!

You're supposed to wake up every morning and say, "Dear, it is time for our pre-breakfast one-hour Racial Awareness discussion. Then, we will take to the kids to the Obama Treatment Center for Screwed Up Kids Who Don't Know or Even Seem to Care What Race They Are for their daily three-hour therapy session. Afterwards, we'll spend the rest of the day apologizing to each for existing."

227 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:14:31am

These do&%ebags have a whole Congress full of their paid thieves, a black president, and a convoy of Brinks trucks backing up to the U.S. Treasury and they're still playing the race card. It has become an involuntary muscle.

228 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:14:37am

re: #200 WriterMom

WriterMom screams! Aghast, goes running back to suburban house with white picket fence screaming LA LA LA NOT LISTENING TO YOU.


/Not that there's anything wrong with that. [I don't want to be on Holder's list, not just yet]

229 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:14:49am

re: #216 BLBfootballs

What the %$*#@! is wrong with this guy?

The grievance theatre must continue.

230 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:14:49am

re: #226 zombie

Hilarious

231 Sifty  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:14:54am

re: #213 Alouette

check

232 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:14:54am

re: #226 zombie

Exactly. In moonbat speak-Ringo is the worst kind of racist because he THINKS he's not racist!

233 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:14:55am

re: #194 MandyManners

So, he wants to disarm racists?

Natch! I suspect he's none too thrilled with the idea of an armed populace in the first place, but if a large percentage of the armed should happen to be benighted, ignorant peasants harboring racial bigotries to which they have not yet come to terms (and for which they have yet to pay), then disarming them would be a prudent first step.

Bottom line: if you think someone is your enemy, you don't want him armed, and this guy seems to think of the American people (or at least a good chunk of them) as potential enemies.

234 vagabond trader  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:00am

I sense mandatory racial re-education on the way.Anyone still think these guys are naive? I mean the hits keep coming, what next.

235 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:14am
236 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:19am

As with every other issue it will get down to the SCOTUS appointments.
That means we need more Senators.

237 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:19am

re: #183 Ford_Prefect

We recruited some more lizards for facebook this morning. Erik the Red and Assuimagpie are now on friends list.

sweet.

238 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:21am

re: #227 JohnAdams

Mind you these thieves thought Obamble wasn't black enough a yr ago.

239 turn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:40am

re: #181 MandyManners
Wow a ding from MM, thanks! I really think the nation is ready to put this race issue behind us, most of us at any rate. Certain people (cough-cough) serve to gain politically or economically by not letting it go away. They are the ones who perpetuate this.

240 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:41am

re: #226 zombie

Cult of navel gazing therapy-dependent moonbat Marxist narcisistic bottom feeders.

241 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:51am

re: #226 zombie

Yes -- off to the Indoctrination Camps with both of you!

You're supposed to wake up every morning and say, "Dear, it is time for our pre-breakfast one-hour Racial Awareness discussion. Then, we will take to the kids to the Obama Treatment Center for Screwed Up Kids Who Don't Know or Even Seem to Care What Race They Are for their daily three-hour therapy session. Afterwards, we'll spend the rest of the day apologizing to each for existing."

You're from Berkley. I know you're not joking.

242 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:51am

re: #233 Guanxi88

Natch! I suspect he's none too thrilled with the idea of an armed populace in the first place, but if a large percentage of the armed should happen to be benighted, ignorant peasants harboring racial bigotries to which they have not yet come to terms (and for which they have yet to pay), then disarming them would be a prudent first step.

Bottom line: if you think someone is your enemy, you don't want him armed, and this guy seems to think of the American people (or at least a good chunk of them) as potential enemies.

You forget "bitter".

243 horse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:54am

re: #144 DeafDog

In other news.....New York Times’ Share Price Less Than Sunday Newspaper Price

Yes, their assets decline to nothing as their as* sets below the horizon. Hopefully, never to rise again.

244 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:55am

Uncredible. Just wait for the implosion. It will be massive.

245 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:15:59am

Jimmy Carter all over again, we are the bad ones in his eyes.

246 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:04am

re: #227 JohnAdams

One of those thieves, roland burris was on FNC a few hrs ago saying he has not stolen anything or done anything wrong. A&&holes.

247 Sifty  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:05am

re: #225 WriterMom

Amen.

248 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:06am

everyone please watch the movie Land of the Blind, its about a left wing coup that takes over the governement, and lets just say its eye opening, and all the women end up in burqa's

249 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:07am

re: #217 WriterMom

So, do you think the gulag will have room service? Spa pedicures?

No, but it will be more or less like what we all "enjoy" now, although everything will cost more, and there will be less of it. Also, expect significant curtailment of liberties.

250 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:15am

re: #234 vagabond trader

I sense mandatory racial re-education on the way.Anyone still think these guys are naive? I mean the hits keep coming, what next.

They cannot force it.

251 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:15am

re: #160 MandyManners

Do you have any idea what will be the first move?

My guess is they will use a canard. Some gun tragedy will occur and they will take advantage of the crisis to enact their desires or at least to set the stage for wholesale confiscation.
These are the people that see crises as opportunities.....I will also say that the leftist mentality is fully willing and capable of creating a situation or incident that serves their agenda. Be on the alert.

252 mikalm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:15am

TO: US Attorney General Eric Holder, Esq.
From: MikalM

Sir,

Kiss my ass.

253 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:35am

re: #252 mikalm

good one

254 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:44am

Talking about race is only designed to get political results. Period.

The rest of us are busy living our lives, equal under the law.

"Talk about race?" What a swell idea. Let's imagine the following conversation in a diner in New York City.

Godfrey: (turning to guy next to him) Hey, let's talk about race.
Guy: (sidelong look)
Godfrey: I mean, you're black, and I'm white.
Guy: (returns to reading paper)
Godfrey: Not that there's anything wrong with being black.
Guy: (staring)
Godfrey: Or with being white.
Guy: (motioning for the bill)
Godfrey: So how do you feel about being black?
Guy: Great. (pays bill)
Godfrey: I have black friends... well, you're leaving. I guess... well, thanks for the chat.
Guy: (over his shoulder) No problem.
Guy's Friend Outside: Who was that?
Guy: No idea. Someone talking shit.
Guy's Friend Outside: What's with the hat?

Now, the problem here is clearly a lack of "courage" to "confront race."

255 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:52am

spend the rest of the day apologizing to each for existing

=

spend the rest of the day apologizing to each other for existing

PIMF

256 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:16:54am

So... 14 months of 'Hopenchange' and 'Change you can count on' with a good degree of 'group love' tossed in, boils down to the AG driving a red hot 'poker' into the face of the public ?

At least we know where truly stand.

257 soxfan4life  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:17:05am

And yet if we criticize or say anything bad about our current President we are immediately called a rascist. I'd call Holder a piece of shit, but I have more respect for the piece of shit because you can make fertilizer from it so it has a use.

258 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:17:13am

Race is the Liberal's original sin. If you're white, of course.

259 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:17:24am

re: #22 capitalist piglet

Obama said during the campaign that he was for reparations. I wonder when he's planning to unveil that plan. I'm even more curious to see what the reaction of the American people will be.

I don't have a problem with reperations. If they can find anyone that is still alive that was once a legally owned slave, then go right ahead and give them their 40 acres and a mule.

260 WriterMom  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:17:36am

re: #254 godfrey

Racist!

261 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:17:54am

0bama is setting himself up to be the great absolver of our "racial sins". He's just moving the goalposts (the election was supposed to heal our wounded souls). He will find reasons why we haven't lived up to his hopes in time for the next election.

262 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:18:11am

360,222 "cowards" died so that men could live free.

263 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:18:17am

re: #22 capitalist piglet

Obama said during the campaign that he was for reparations. I wonder when he's planning to unveil that plan. I'm even more curious to see what the reaction of the American people will be.

I think the census will take care of that pesky issue.

264 tedzilla99  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:18:25am

Mr Holder, it is YOU who are the coward. Rather than making your historic appointment a matter of pride in an increasingly color-blind country, you make this statement to cozy up with the race pimps and other hatred peddlers that have ruined generations of American black families. Continuing to play to the victim mentality sold to black Americans for years is nothing to be proud of.

I don't know if you actually believe what you have said, but either way you are a pathetic person. And you have surpassed Janet Reno as the most despicable person to hold your office, and you've been in office barely one month.

265 Miss Molly  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:18:28am

I don't remember Jimmy Carter talking about reparations. When Obama goes for reparations there could be a lot of stuff hitting the fan.

266 horse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:18:29am

re: #229 Sharmuta

The grievance theatre must continue.

Indeed, call from his boss "Help! We need a big distraction on our far left!"

267 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:18:36am

re: #262 Sharmuta

Racist!

268 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:18:39am

re: #257 soxfan4life

see thats racist cause shit is brown and african american's have brown skin.

269 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:18:48am

re: #173 WriterMom

Sit and spin?

"Sit on it and rotate", as we used to say in high school.

270 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:18:49am

re: #254 godfrey

Guy's Friend Outside: What's with the hat?

lol

271 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:19:12am

Imagine how successful Holder would be if he were white. /

272 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:19:14am

re: #265 Miss Molly

Probably because his ancestors were guilty?

273 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:19:17am

i thought Michelle said Obama would heal america's racial sins?

274 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:19:27am

re: #261 Bloodnok

0bama is setting himself up to be the great absolver of our "racial sins". He's just moving the goalposts (the election was supposed to heal our wounded souls). He will find reasons why we haven't lived up to his hopes in time for the next election.

It will be economic- because the economy will still be shit, and it's our fault we didn't give enough in taxes.

275 jorline  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:19:46am

OBAMA MOVES TOWARD 'SWEDISH MODEL' FOR BANKS

Follow the links.

Bank nationalisation gains ground with Republicans

Long regarded in the US as a folly of Europeans, nationalisation is gaining rapid acceptance among Washington opinion-formers – and not just with Alan Greenspan, former Federal Reserve chairman. Perhaps stranger still, many of those talking about nationalising banks are Republicans.

Lindsey Graham, the Republican senator for South Carolina, says that many of his colleagues, including John McCain, the defeated presidential candidate, agree with his view that nationalisation of some banks should be “on the table”.

Like Sweden, my government will be telling me my house can be one of four colors...and they will tell me what color I want. Followed by a 70% tax rate, but we'll all be on holiday at the same time twice a year and health care from cradle to grave.

The shift has begun.

276 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:19:51am

re: #273 pegcity

After he does that to Oceans and Global Warming things.

277 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:19:58am
278 VioletTiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:19:59am

Perfect, coming from an administration of tax-cheats.

279 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:20:00am

The real question we must all confront is how "race" can be described hexadecimally.

Wiki has a good page on race, actually.

280 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:20:17am

re: #93 capitalist piglet

Ok, I've calmed down now, but I served under the Stars & Stripes & proudly so with all manner of folk. That comment really got my blood up.

281 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:20:19am

A nation of cowards? I guess that's your excuse then for releasing FARC terrorists under Clinton's watch? Or is that your rationale for the Rich pardon? Both?

Apparently Holder isn't much of a history expert, because if this was truly a nation of cowards, we would have never attained the wealth, experience, and dominion we now have. Then again, he could be referring to his own experiences on the left, which has consistently shown themselves to be cowards and refuse to stand up for freedom, liberty, and justice for all, and instead suck the life out of efforts to eliminate dictatorships and despots who threaten our way of life.

And oh, by the by, wouldn't Obama's election as President show that we are not cowards by facing down the long shadow of racism?

Instead, Holder is busy trying to hold on to the demagoguery of racism for as long as he can.

282 jester6  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:20:23am

re: #212 The Other Les

"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"
"HELL NO! WE DON'T OWE!"

And so on...

I have got a great idea.

We should pass legislation today promising 10 trillion dollars to be paid into a reparations fund in 2019. A blue ribbon panel should be appointed today to decided how to split the pot up. They have 10 years to make the rules.

Then in 10 years we put the money into the fund.

Given all the money we will print between now and then I figure my used 2004 Accura TL should fund the whole 10 trillion dollar fund. As a matter of fact, if I just put my used car into the fund I would probably get a few trillion in change.

I always wanted to do something great.

283 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:20:26am

re: #244 rightside

Uncredible. Just wait for the implosion. It will be massive.

yes...I'm prepared to do my part...everything in my life has some sort of confrontation or resistance...I line outside the box, always have...I hate the feds for what they think of me and what they've done to my fathers legacy and my childrens future...I don't know about anybody else but I think it might end bad for me someday

284 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:20:34am

re: #275 jorline

United States of Sweden? With Jihadi immigrants from Sudan and Somalia?

285 JohnAdams  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:20:40am

I think some of my black friends and I are friends because we don't talk about race.

286 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:20:57am

Basically "nation of cowards" even in the context he used it is a sweeping generalization, of the sort usually made by bigots. Is the AG bigotted against americans?

287 Sifty  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:21:01am

re: #275 jorline

Somebody sure got to McCain.

288 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:21:06am

He's speaking for the administration; after all, they represent the nation.
They're a bunch of cowards who won't stand up to those who would destroy us and our way of life, and he's projecting that onto everyone.

289 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:21:19am

re: #286 Thanos

You could say that again!

290 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:21:26am

re: #279 godfrey

The real question we must all confront is how "race" can be described hexadecimally.

Wiki has a good page on race, actually.

Well, I can think of a hexadecimal code that applies to Holder's statement.

4F.

291 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:21:34am

re: #251 LGoPs

My guess is they will use a canard. Some gun tragedy will occur and they will take advantage of the crisis to enact their desires or at least to set the stage for wholesale confiscation.
These are the people that see crises as opportunities.....I will also say that the leftist mentality is fully willing and capable of creating a situation or incident that serves their agenda. Be on the alert.

Isn't there a woman in the House who ran on gun control after she lost her husband to a ciminal with a gun?

292 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:21:45am

re: #140 BigMoo

Say hello to my little friend !

293 jorline  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:21:48am

re: #284 winston06

United States of Sweden? With Jihadi immigrants from Sudan and Somalia?

Sweden has a large Islamic population.

294 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:21:50am

When in the Reserves, God was it that long ago?, I had to attend a mandatory thought control session after Tailhook and have had to sit through others on race in the government. At the time I thought that these could serve a purpose, as another punishment tool for Supervisors to inflict on uncooperative troops.

"Listen Jerk, either you shut up and leave the female staff alone and get your work done or I'm going to make you sit in a room for 4 hours with Michelle Obama."

"No please Boss, I'll be good. Can't you just beat the piss out of me instead?"

295 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:22:01am

I wish Larry Elder were still on the air so I could hear him rail on this.

296 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:22:12am

re: #284 winston06

United States of Sweden? With Jihadi immigrants from Sudan and Somalia?

Don't know about Sudanese, but I hear there's a lovely colony of Somalis in Maine and a few others in Minnesota, Iowa, and elsewhere. Lovely folks, to be sure.

297 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:22:19am

re: #283 albusteve

I'm armed and ready!

298 ladycatnip  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:22:20am

Is this out of Obama's play book on how to heal our land? I'm seething right now. This bozo should be fired on the spot. If this is an indication of more to come, then we really are in deep bandini. Really deep.

299 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:22:21am

re: #251 LGoPs

My guess is they will use a canard. Some gun tragedy will occur and they will take advantage of the crisis to enact their desires or at least to set the stage for wholesale confiscation.
These are the people that see crises as opportunities.....I will also say that the leftist mentality is fully willing and capable of creating a situation or incident that serves their agenda. Be on the alert.

Well, they created the mortgage crisis, and look where that's gotten us.

300 Pshawalaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:22:51am

I am already bored with this Messiah and his cronies, where can I go to enter an alternate universe? I want the one where it rains jelly beans instead.

Sorry Barry, but I am in need of another change. In fact, if I had ever been a supporter of yours, one could say that I am losing my religion.

301 Yashmak  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:23:05am

WTH?!?

Obama's broken promises, blown cabinet appointments, blatant misrepresentations of the Republican members of congress w/r/t the stimulus, as well as his claims of 'consensus' on the stimulus in general. . .and now this.

Good thing for Obama that he's got a solid majority in the House and Senate. If he continues at this rate, and DIDN'T have such a majority, I can't see how he'd make it through his whole term without being impeached.

302 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:23:07am

re: #273 pegcity

i thought Michelle said Obama would heal america's racial sins?

By turning us upside-down and shaking all the money out of our pockets.

303 jorline  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:23:19am

re: #287 Sifty

Somebody sure got to McCain.

I don't know about that...he has leaned to the left more than once in his "Maverick" career.

304 turn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:23:20am

re: #281 lawhawk

Instead, Holder is busy trying to hold on to the demagoguery of racism for as long as he can.

Yeah, what he said.

305 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:23:27am

re: #293 jorline

Yes! And a few threads back today there was something about the anti-Israeli thing going on there. Where are we headed after Obamble socializes the banks and society? Taking on Israel and side with Hamas and Iran?

306 The Other Les  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:23:34am

re: #182 capitalist piglet

There has been a movement in Seattle to rescue the PI with taxpayer money.

I feel like I'm watching a movie. This is all just so surreal.

I feel like I'm living in a novel by Ayn Rand.

307 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:23:38am

everyday brings terrible and horrifying new suprises, whats next is Obama gonna give Americas nukes to Iran?

308 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:23:52am

re: #283 albusteve

But think of all the good company you'll likely enjoy.

309 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:24:00am

re: #296 Guanxi88

same here

310 DisgustingOratory  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:24:15am

Hi guys. I was just listening to some of the most apalling lib stupidity I have ever heard on a great documentary called "A Conversation About Race". These people have no clue what racism is, and the filmmaker does a great job of exposing the myth for what it is. I highly reccomend you check it out at:

[Link: www.aconversationaboutrace.com...]

311 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:24:33am

re: #291 MandyManners

Isn't there a woman in the House who ran on gun control after she lost her husband to a ciminal with a gun?

Carolyn McCarthy..........
[Link: www.highbeam.com...]

312 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:24:34am

re: #262 Sharmuta

360,222 "cowards" died so that men could live free.

I'm reminded of one of my all-time favorite quotes (which I'll have to paraphrase, because I can't find the exact quote online).

This really happened:

Immediately after VE Day in 1945, reporters surrounded Eisenhower for a press conference, asking him all sorts of questions. One of the reporters there was a black woman representing an African-American newspaper. She asked Eisenhower,

"General, how did the colored troops perform under your command? Were they brave?"

Eisenhower: "All my troops performed bravely."

Reporter: "But what about the colored troops specifically?"

Eisenhower: "I don't distinguish among my troops by the color of their skin. Next question."

For that answer alone, Eisenhower is my hero.

313 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:24:41am

re: #280 unreconstructed rebel

Ok, I've calmed down now, but I served under the Stars & Stripes & proudly so with all manner of folk. That comment really got my blood up.

Presuming you're talking about Holder's remark, you're not alone - everybody is pretty agitated about it. Given your avatar, your comment seemed to me more Stars and Bars than Stars and Stripes, so I thought I'd better ask where you were coming from.

314 NYCHardhat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:24:50am

Fuck you asshole.

315 horse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:25:24am

re: #262 Sharmuta

360,222 "cowards" died so that men could live free.

Yep, one 4xgreat grandfather died and two were wounded in the Michigan Sharpshooters. Family got a medal, didn't need anything else.

316 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #275 jorline

OBAMA MOVES TOWARD 'SWEDISH MODEL' FOR BANKS

Follow the links.

Bank nationalisation gains ground with Republicans


Like Sweden, my government will be telling me my house can be one of four colors...and they will tell me what color I want. Followed by a 70% tax rate, but we'll all be on holiday at the same time twice a year and health care from cradle to grave.

The shift has begun.

Great - so where am I supposed to put my money (and don't say in the mattress - it's in an IRA, it has to stay in some kind of account somewhere)

317 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:25:31am

re: #285 JohnAdams

I think some of my black friends and I are friends because we don't talk about race.

I don't have any black friends. Or any white friends. Or any Asian friends. I just have friends.

/Wait...I do have some liberal friends, but I try not to be seen in public with them.

318 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:25:32am

Funny how Alberto Gonzales never thought we needed to talk more about race. Oh, wait. He was a Republican. Never mind!

319 rightside  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:25:38am

re: #308 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Awesome. 1911 .45ACP I'd have painted it yellow with black eyes/smile LOL!

320 FightingBack  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:25:59am

I'll give you a conversation about race:

When my son was in the 5th grade, he had to fill out a form that asked for his race. "Race?" "What's 'Race'?"
I looked at him, and considered what to say.
So I answered, "You, Bobby, and Matthew are of 3 different races."
And he said, "Really? It doesn't seem like it."

You've got to be taught.

321 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:26:13am

I agree
as a nation, we are cowards

most of the media heads will fall all over themselves to have Sharpton and Jackson on tonight, to prove that they are not a racist network

when they should simply point out as LGF posters have

shut the fuck up mister holder
nothing more, nothing less

but we are cowards and this will get a lot of airplay

322 Pshawalaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:26:20am

re: #292 gmsc

I see that there is a new script I need to learn. What is the code to make that Youtube box appear and open within the comment?

323 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:26:22am

Oh yes. Let's have a discussion about race. And the historically consistent position of the Democratic Party that minorities are just less capable than whites. The only difference in policy is instead of wanting to lynch them, the Dems decided they need help to achieve a level playing field (a.k.a. wealth redistribution.)

Here's a link to the GOP and Democratic Party Platforms dating back to 1840.

[Link: www.presidency.ucsb.edu...]

Peruse them for yourself and discover how the small government conservatives view minorities as equals and the big government liberals view them as their lessers.

Eric Holder, put that in your coward and smoke it!

324 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:26:39am

re: #275 jorline

OBAMA MOVES TOWARD 'SWEDISH MODEL' FOR BANKS

Follow the links.

Bank nationalisation gains ground with Republicans


Like Sweden, my government will be telling me my house can be one of four colors...and they will tell me what color I want. Followed by a 70% tax rate, but we'll all be on holiday at the same time twice a year and health care from cradle to grave.

The shift has begun.

Meatballs for all.

325 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:26:54am

Two quotes sent to me in an email today.

'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'
-- Barack Obama


''Life's tough......it's even tougher if you're stupid.''
-- John Wayne


I think Barack Obama’s Attorney General, Eric Holder, applies both.

326 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:27:00am

"How many cowards whose hearts are all as false As stairs of sand, wear yet upon their chins The beards of Hercules and frowning Mars, Who inward searched, have livers white as milk!"

William Shakespeare

327 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:27:08am

Cowards? You knucklehead.

328 jorline  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:27:21am

re: #305 winston06

Yes! And a few threads back today there was something about the anti-Israeli thing going on there. Where are we headed after Obamble socializes the banks and society? Taking on Israel and side with Hamas and Iran?

It's commonly referred to as Bus Tub Buffet in the restaurant business. All the seconds you can eat everyday.

329 vagabond trader  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:27:37am

re: #250 MandyManners

They certainly can force you to attend if you want to keep your job. "Sensitivity training" in the workplace. Been doing it for years already.

330 bulwrk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:27:40am

In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.


uh oh, sounds like government mandated integrated communities

331 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:27:48am

re: #328 jorline

Yeah!

332 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:27:57am

This comment is so stupid, it's really kind of breathtaking:

“Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards.”

America has been an ethnic melting pot precisely because it has been courageous in confronting "race." Civil War? Civil Rights? Affirmative Action? Hello?

If you've ever for a minute stepped foot outside of the USA, you would instantly realize how incredibly unique and courageous we are in dealing with "race." European countries are WAY behind us on this. Just get back on a US flight from Europe, and you will see American flight attendants from every race. Americans are from every race imaginable. We are the most racially integrated society on planet earth.

To say different is to mark yourself out either as a provincial rube or a disingenuous political hack. Guess which one Eric Holder is.

333 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:27:58am

The left want to shut down dissent and access to free speech - what better way than to start by labeling everyone a racist.

334 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:28:22am

re: #316 Killer Tomato

Great - so where am I supposed to put my money (and don't say in the mattress - it's in an IRA, it has to stay in some kind of account somewhere)

Free Lutefisk with every deposit...

/s

335 CAD Daddy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:28:23am

Am I sensing a little hostility? (I'm good at that.)

336 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:28:35am

re: #329 vagabond trader

They certainly can force you to attend if you want to keep your job. "Sensitivity training" in the workplace. Been doing it for years already.

I've never been through such nonsense.

337 pegcity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:28:51am

re: #330 bulwrk

its like the steve harvey bit "white people have wonderful weekends"

338 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:28:53am

re: #333 FrogMarch

They have already started it. Next is "Fairness Doctrine" and then re-training camps for coward-racist Americans.

339 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:29:14am

re: #322 Pshawalaw

I see that there is a new script I need to learn. What is the code to make that Youtube box appear and open within the comment?

Just copy & paste the URL of the video on its own line of your reply.

Use preview to make sure it shows up right!

340 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:29:18am

re: #312 zombie

I'm just particularly appalled at the insult to the men who died for the Union in this calling Americans cowards. We're a nation that's never been afraid to look at ourselves and change for the better. From slavery, to civil rights, to women's suffrage. It seems only with the introduction of grievance theatre that people have become cowardly in calling for social change. And I've met my fair share of whiners on this issue. It's just insulting.

341 razorbacker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:29:27am

Marse Holder is right. I am feeling a mite cowardly.

I'm scared. I only have one country. No citizenship elsewhere in some sunny bolt-hole to which I can run when it gets too bad here in the good ol' U. S. of A.

So yeah. I'm scared.

Let me share something with you. No really, it's relevant. Hear me out.

When you are hunting dangerous prey, be it bear, alligator, viper, whatever it doesn't matter, you want to be especially careful of frightening the prey. 'Cause while normally you can predict what the prey is going to do, if you scare it too badly the darned thing might go off and do something you're not expecting.

Like chew a hole right through you trying to get away.

342 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:29:33am

re: #330 bulwrk

In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.

uh oh, sounds like government mandated integrated communities

Yep - and next time you go to, say, Yellowstone, they'll check that you have some people of 'different race' in your car!

343 jjmckay1216  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:29:41am

re: #183 Ford_Prefect

what is ur facebook addy?

344 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:29:51am

re: #308 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

But think of all the good company you'll likely enjoy.

there are millions of us...somewhere...but it is hard to resist when you are in the middle of a career, raising kids, providing, doing all the things good citizens need to do and BO knows it....there will be no huge marches on DC, there will be no tax revolt...there is little for ordinary people to do but cast worthless votes and bitch....the media is killing us, the left is killing us...all that is behind me now...I just sit in amazement wondering what will happen to me

345 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:30:00am

re: #305 winston06

Yes! And a few threads back today there was something about the anti-Israeli thing going on there. Where are we headed after Obamble socializes the banks and society? Taking on Israel and side with Hamas and Iran?

He's sent people to the Durban II planning already. And I'm reasonably sure he sent Israel a message to be out of Gaza by the time he's inaugurated. Israel practically said so by saying they'd be out for the inauguration.

346 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:30:27am

Is it irony that most people will be afraid to confront this for fear of being called a racist?

If there is fear where does this fear come from, Mr. Holder? Who is preventing these "conversations"?

347 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:30:31am

Ethnic melting pot = courage to melt, you nitwit.

348 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:30:37am

re: #327 Peacekeeper

Cowards? You knucklehead.

"The coward calls himself cautious, the miser thrifty. [Lat., Timidus se vocat cautum, parcum sordidus.]"


Syrus (Publilius Syrus)

349 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:30:51am

re: #329 vagabond trader

They certainly can force you to attend if you want to keep your job. "Sensitivity training" in the workplace. Been doing it for years already.

See my #329

350 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:31:04am

re: #340 Sharmuta

You're dealing with people (0bama et al) are ASHAMED of their country. The history of their country means nothing to them. To them Cuba, Sweden and China are better.

351 Haverwilde  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:31:15am

You really ought to watch the 'Lizard Effect' on the site listed above. When I first checked in was a lot of left wing carp, but as the Lizards began checking the whole tenor of the comments changed. (Giggle, I hate myself when I giggle but couldn't help myself.) What a turn-around! I expect there are a lot of comments in 'moderation' over there right now.

352 Gella  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:31:34am

so, i just gave this comment to a liberal to read, response was: so what?

353 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:31:39am

re: #345 Kosh's Shadow

I don't doubt it

354 Pshawalaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:31:55am

re: #339 gmsc

Thx, Ill do that next time, appreciate the help.

355 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:31:57am

The race hustle is just too good a deal to let go of, even after a black President has been elected.

356 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:31:59am

re: #352 Gella

They don't care

357 lifeofthemind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:32:17am

re: #349 lifeofthemind

See my #329

Duh, meant #294, I better go eat

358 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:32:17am

re: #346 Bloodnok

Is it irony that most people will be afraid to confront this for fear of being called a racist?

If there is fear where does this fear come from, Mr. Holder? Who is preventing these "conversations"?

I've already been called a racist because I said I didn't vote for 0bama. Mind you- I didn't say who I did vote for, but I was told I hate black people because of it.

And I'm supposed to take further insults to my character by having this POS call me a coward?!

359 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:32:20am

re: #350 winston06

At this point, "race" is primarily a political tool for getting concessions. Cf. Alinsky.

360 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:32:30am

re: #347 godfrey

Ethnic melting pot = courage to melt, you nitwit.

Atty. Gnl. Holder, let me explain the melting pot concept to you in terms even you can understand:

361 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:32:44am

re: #350 winston06

You're dealing with people (0bama et al) are ASHAMED of their country. The history of their country means nothing to them. To them Cuba, Sweden and China are better.

Could it be that they were elected to office by voters who think the same? What a chilling thought.

362 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:32:46am

re: #354 Pshawalaw

Thx, Ill do that next time, appreciate the help.

You're welcome.

363 FightingBack  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:32:53am

Melting Pot or Multi-Culturalism. You can't have both.
USA History Month.

364 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:32:57am

re: #359 godfrey

Very true! Time to be rebellious....

365 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:33:03am

re: #251 LGoPs

My guess is they will use a canard. Some gun tragedy will occur and they will take advantage of the crisis to enact their desires or at least to set the stage for wholesale confiscation.
These are the people that see crises as opportunities.....I will also say that the leftist mentality is fully willing and capable of creating a situation or incident that serves their agenda. Be on the alert.

Or there will be some terrorist attack against a Jewish target, and they'll say they have to put all the Jews in some place where we can be protected better. Easier to protect us if we're not distributed among the rest of the population, but, er, concentrated in one place.

366 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:33:12am

"There are at least two kinds of cowards. One kind always lives with himself, afraid to face the world. The other kind lives with the world, afraid to face himself."

Roscoe Snowden


Author: Roscoe Snowden

367 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:33:15am

When, inevitably, Obama's approval ratings drop into low range, they'll roll out the racism stories.

368 bulwrk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:33:25am

re: #342 yma o hyd

My weekend golfing foursome is all white guys,will the government deny us a tee time until our group becomes more diverse?

369 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:33:28am

This is a shot across of the bow of White Americans to goad us into conversation, any piece or portion of which will then be construed as racist.

When I was in graduate school at Seton Hall, which school I do not recommend, we had a black, lesbian teacher, who wore some kind of african clothing. Fine. We had a discussion about race and I said I was raised not to talk about or even pay attention to a person's skin color, and she replied:

Oh, we want you to pay attention to our skin color because it is an important part of who we are.

I had been re- and Mis-educated.

370 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:33:31am
371 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:33:43am

re: #361 unreconstructed rebel

Sure. Look at the prominent Obamble worshipers/voters: All of them are ashamed of their own country.

372 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:33:45am
373 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:34:03am

What a wonderful piece of work Mr. Holder is. If this would have been Alberto Gonzalez..... ? hmmmm.... imagine the uproar....

374 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:34:11am

re: #343 jjmckay1216

what is ur facebook addy?

I am in this lgf group. I have my lgf nic mentioned in the comments area.

375 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:34:20am

re: #358 Sharmuta

I've already been called a racist because I said I didn't vote for 0bama. Mind you- I didn't say who I did vote for, but I was told I hate black people because of it.

And I'm supposed to take further insults to my character by having this POS call me a coward?!

yes...you have little voice in the matter at present...maybe something will change but the feds are a powerful force...you can write your senator and express your displeasure

376 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:34:21am

re: #360 gmsc

There's more good sense in that cartoon than in the Attorney General of the United States.

377 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:34:30am

Can't wait for my Census form now!

Will I be able to check "coward" under "Race:" I'm writing it in if I can't.

378 Mad Mullah  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:34:38am

What is cowardly in my opinion is voting for a candidate (Obama) primarily based on their race, which is something that many Americans did.

379 Oxnuts  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:34:52am
Holder said average Americans "simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

I actually disagree with this. I personally am not a racist and think by making a big deal out of this, it just perpetuates the problem. I do think the USA is the biggest melting pot in the world. No other country has the open diversity that we do.

I have often thought programs such as Affirmative Action and others of the such were actually encouraging negative feelings towards other races.

But what does he mean by talk more about race? Like, hey I'm white and your black, lets discuss that? The goal is to have a nation that is blind to race. Not have everyone sit there discussing races.

380 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:35:09am

re: #330 bulwrk

In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.

uh oh, sounds like government mandated integrated communities

research shows that people of similar races consider people of their own race MORE attractive. So it makes perfect sense that people hang out around people of their own race if this is true.

Any and all comments on this thread can be construed as racist by those whose intention it is to DIVIDE us.

381 The Termlimator  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:35:10am

Kiss my a$$ terrorist pardoner!

382 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:35:15am

re: #365 Kosh's Shadow

Or there will be some terrorist attack against a Jewish target, and they'll say they have to put all the Jews in some place where we can be protected better.


Isn't that called Israel?////

You're right-for every calamity, there must be some form of new legislation to make sure it never happens exactly like that again.

383 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:35:21am
384 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:35:54am

Well! I guess Holder told us, eh?

Was he calling EVERYONE in the nation a coward?

Nice going, putzwad. You just insulted over 300 million Americans.

385 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:35:55am

re: #352 Gella

so, i just gave this comment to a liberal to read, response was: so what?

That's because it was said by a liberal. you should have told them it was said by Dick Cheney. Then you would have gotten a reaction.

386 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:35:57am

re: #368 bulwrk

My weekend golfing foursome is all white guys,will the government deny us a tee time until our group becomes more diverse?

Whaddayathink?
Course it will!

387 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:36:00am

re: #381 The Termlimator

haha...

388 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:36:04am

re: #360 gmsc

Atty. Gnl. Holder, let me explain the melting pot concept to you in terms even you can understand:



How wonderful! From a different time, when America wasn't the 'evil' we're suppose to believe it is...thanks for posting that!

389 horse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:36:09am

re: #136 lifeofthemind

There is a reason for this. He wants the job title without having to do the job. His boss is the same way, off to permanent campaign mode. Now that Holder is the AG he faces a problem. Somebody might expect RESULTS. Better to start tossing the furniture over right away.

Ain't that the truth! The modus operandi of the leftists from their generation. The need to be first, without actually breaking a sweat to get there. Now it is about protecting their reputations for as long as the job lasts, but that doesn't mean actually doing the job.

He needs to be interviewed by "the Bobs": "Eric, what, what would you say you do here?"

390 The Other Les  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:36:13am

re: #233 Guanxi88

Natch! I suspect he's none too thrilled with the idea of an armed populace in the first place, but if a large percentage of the armed should happen to be benighted, ignorant peasants harboring racial bigotries to which they have not yet come to terms (and for which they have yet to pay), then disarming them would be a prudent first step.

Bottom line: if you think someone is your enemy, you don't want him armed, and this guy seems to think of the American people (or at least a good chunk of them) as potential enemies.

Throughout recorded history the personal weapon was the symbol and instrument of political authority.

An armed society is a society that operates on the basis of consent. To disarm the population of a nation, an act carried out by National Socialists, Communists, and Fascists, is to reject the political authority of that population and is the primary act of subjugation of that nation. It is nothing other than an act of enslavement.

Those who seek to disarm us are nothing less than mortal enemies of our nation and mortal enemies of Humanity in general. To identify and deal with them as such is no more an act of murder than is putting down a rabid animal.

391 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:36:53am
392 mikalm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:37:00am

In honor of this profoundly stupid piece of race-baiting by America's Top Cop (tm), I have hereby changed my icon.

393 The Other Les  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:37:08am

re: #390 The Other Les

Oh, I forgot...

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

394 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:37:12am

re: #338 winston06

They have already started it. Next is "Fairness Doctrine" and then re-training camps for coward-racist Americans.

We must be cleansed of impure words, thoughts and expressions. We are lowly cowardly racists. Corruptocrats know what's best.

395 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:38:02am

re: #377 Sharmuta

Can't wait for my Census form now!

Will I be able to check "coward" under "Race:" I'm writing it in if I can't.

"NOT a coward". Is what I'll strike in my form under race!

396 razorbacker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:38:02am

re: #365 Kosh's Shadow

Easier to protect us if we're not distributed among the rest of the population, but, er, concentrated segretated relocated assembled into an internment campgiven new land across The Father of Waters in one place.

Ah, hell, nevermind. Concentrated.

397 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:38:09am

re: #320 FightingBack

I'll give you a conversation about race:

When my son was in the 5th grade, he had to fill out a form that asked for his race. "Race?" "What's 'Race'?"
I looked at him, and considered what to say.
So I answered, "You, Bobby, and Matthew are of 3 different races."
And he said, "Really? It doesn't seem like it."

You've got to be taught.

Ain't that the truth. In the school system where I grew up (which was very racially mixed -- Hispanic, black, white and Asian in about equal proportions), the littlest 1st-3rd graders all intermingled freely without racial awareness. Then, starting in 4th grade, a bunch of proto-moonbats took over the school board and instituted a whole bunch of bullshit racial lessons in each class, in a ruinous wrongheaded attempt to "cure" the kids' supposed inherent racism. For the first time, the kids became aware of their racial difference, and with the teachers' tacit encouragement, self-segregation quickly followed.

From 4th grade onward, the school became a war zone of racial tension.

And it never would have happened if the asshole Marxists hadn't brainwashed the notion of race into us poor children. And insisted each child have "pride" in their race or ethnic heritage, above all other ethnicities. (White kids were told to focus not on their whitenss but on their ancestors' original culture of origin -- Polish, Italian, Jewish, French, etc.).

And now, that brainwashing begins in kindergarten, instead of 4th grade. Nationwide.

I hate the left for this reason perhaps above all others. To me, the left-wing race-baiters have done more social damage to this country than has the KKK.

398 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:38:19am

I gotta go. This REALLY upsets me for so many reasons. I think I have been able to tolerate everything this fraud (0bama, yes this is his responsibility) has done in the past month. But this truly bothers me. He has no charge and no authority as President to demoralize us. Yet he does it. BBL.

399 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:38:20am

re: #382 calcajun

Isn't that called Israel?////

You're right-for every calamity, there must be some form of new legislation to make sure it never happens exactly like that again.

I wouldn't put it past the 0ne to make it hard for Jews to emigrate to Israel, as that would make it harder for Israel to give itself away piecemeal for "peace". We'd be a new class of refuseniks.

400 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:38:33am

I think everyone should check off "other" on their Census forms.

401 VioletTiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:38:45am

re: #333 FrogMarch

The left want to shut down dissent and access to free speech - what better way than to start by labeling everyone a racist.


They also don't want to risk losing the momentum they built up over the campaign - the guilt and the leftist indignation.

402 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:38:48am

re: #365 Kosh's Shadow

Or there will be some terrorist attack against a Jewish target, and they'll say they have to put all the Jews in some place where we can be protected better. Easier to protect us if we're not distributed among the rest of the population, but, er, concentrated in one place.

The same thing could be said about the Muslims, since they're all so afraid of "backlash" they should have special "protection centers" they can go to the next time there's a massive terror attack.

403 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:39:09am

re: #74 debutaunt

re: #40 Right mind left

WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT? (or should I be afraid to ask)?

You don't have a gibberish filter?

I just checked, and Bablefish still has no Gibberish to English algorithm.

404 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:39:22am

re: #400 Sharmuta

I think everyone should check off "other" on their Census forms.

Under Ethnicity or Gender?

405 mph  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:39:26am

Classic projection.

406 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:39:27am

re: #394 FrogMarch

Dear Leader is planning to do just that

407 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:39:33am

re: #377 Sharmuta

Can't wait for my Census form now!

Will I be able to check "coward" under "Race:" I'm writing it in if I can't.

I keep getting yelled at by the Veterans Administration when I change the word Vietnam ERA, to Vietnam War...I didn't fight an Era...:)

408 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:39:37am
409 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:39:38am

re: #369 DistantThunder

This is a shot across of the bow of White Americans to goad us into conversation, any piece or portion of which will then be construed as racist.

When I was in graduate school at Seton Hall, which school I do not recommend, we had a black, lesbian teacher, who wore some kind of african clothing. Fine. We had a discussion about race and I said I was raised not to talk about or even pay attention to a person's skin color, and she replied:

Oh, we want you to pay attention to our skin color because it is an important part of who we are.

I had been re- and Mis-educated.

You have summed up my experience with race. I grew up in a family which was --to put it mildly--"old South". I never really liked that viewpoint and taught myself in my teen years not to give a damn about a person's gender or skin hue; the best person for the job should always get hired.

But, at some point the rules changed and I was told I had to give a damn about their lineage and the circumstances in which they were raised. Essentially, instead of treating people equally and fairly, I had to handicap them. Bullshit on that.

410 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:39:52am

re: #376 godfrey

There's more good sense in that cartoon than in the Attorney General of the United States.

I remember when I was younger (and lived in Maryland at the time), and my family and I were talking to an older gentleman, a friend of my grandfather's, and he said something that still sticks with me.

He asked, "Ever been in a bank that was built in the 1800s? Ever been in a church that was built in the 1800s? Did you notice how similar they are in design? That's because of the 19th century immigrants' attitude towards those two institutions. They're built to project strength and confidence, because those two institutions were the foundation of the immigrants' faith in the future!"

411 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:39:58am

re: #404 Ford_Prefect

Under Ethnicity or Gender?

I'm a race coward.

412 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:40:02am

No wonder Michelle thought America was a mean place. Look who she knew and hung around. These are nasty, vicious Political Predators and this is a huge provocation.

I bet Eric gets lots of hate male calling him all sorts of names to which he'll say:

"I told you so, so now we need more money and power to combat this racism."

413 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:40:10am

re: #400 Sharmuta

I think everyone should check off "other" on their Census forms.

When I was younger "american native" meant somebody born here. Works for me.

414 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:40:33am

re: #398 Bloodnok

He's chosen to demoralize those of us who don;t approve his plans to change America. First comes demoralization, then annihilation.

415 Boxy_brown  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:40:37am

It's official: I hate the Obama administration.

And it has nothing to do with anyone's race.

416 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:40:48am

he is emboldened by O to demean our country.
this is all O has done. and his hideous wife.
nothing but complaints and negative slurs abt. america
and the decent hard working citizens who made us a great nation.
if we are a nation of cowards as this pos says, then he must be referencing the polite nature of people to give the racist O a pass and allow this loser to become potus. by not questioning anything abt him or what he has done or who he has associated with.
also our patience and hopeful expectation that the headchoppers can actually be reached w/ kindness instead of us going ape shite on their evil asses.

americans are not cowards. it is inevitable that we will deal w/ the evil growing around the world and w/in our country, as we have done before.

417 VioletTiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:40:49am

re: #400 Sharmuta

I think everyone should check off "other" on their Census forms.

Or say "Martian"

418 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:02am

I have this fantasy that some powerful state with vast resources and many patriots steps up to the feds and says "no....we will go no further down this destructive and unAmerican path... this is how it will be if you want us to remain in the Union"...Iron Fist could fill in the rest

419 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:10am

re: #407 Dustyvet

thnx for ur service

420 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:14am

re: #417 VioletTiger

LOL. Race: "Earthling".

421 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:21am

At this point, if the topic comes up with someone who wants to challenge me on it, I'll just tell them I didn't vote for 0bama. And then when they finished shreiking themselves hoarse about what a horrible, bigoted individual I am because I didn't vote for hope'enchange (a lengthy undertaking, I'll admit) I'll just tell them that I voted for Cynthia McKinney so I can see the look on their face....

422 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:29am

re: #365 Kosh's Shadow

Or there will be some terrorist attack against a Jewish target, and they'll say they have to put all the Jews in some place where we can be protected better. Easier to protect us if we're not distributed among the rest of the population, but, er, concentrated in one place.

But if they tried, could you imagine the squabbling mass of our tribe all in one place? Wouldn't wanna be there for money.

As for gathering folk up, I go back to my virtual gulag theory.

423 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:30am

re: #415 Boxy_brown

you're not alone

424 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:33am

re: #419 winston06

thnx for ur service

Your welcome...:)

425 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:34am

re: #388 scottishbuzzsaw

How wonderful! From a different time, when America wasn't the 'evil' we're suppose to believe it is...thanks for posting that!

You're welcome.

426 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:35am
He urged people of all races to use Black History Month as a chance for frank talk about racial matters.

NYC Diner, the Kitchen

Chef: You're in the weeds, sh*tbirds. Step it up!
Cook 1: I'd like to take this opportunity to have a frank talk about racial matters.
Waiter: Four more blue plate specials!
Chef: Shut the f*** up and cook!
Cook 1: No, really. I'm white. You, chef, are ... well, what are you, exactly?
Chef: I'm going to fire your a**!
Cook 2: I'm from Ecuador, motherf***er!
Cook 3: I do not wish to intrude, but my mother was from Calcutta.
Chef: ENOUGH!
Cook 4: Calcutta? What a sh*thole. My parents are from Islamabad.
Cook 1: Oh, that is so interesting, but I sense hostility.
Chef (enraged): Next person who brings up race loses a finger!
Etc.

Peace out!

427 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:36am

re: #400 Sharmuta

I think everyone should check off "other" on their Census forms.

"Human" works for me.

428 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:41:49am

re: #320 FightingBack

I'll give you a conversation about race:

When my son was in the 5th grade, he had to fill out a form that asked for his race. "Race?" "What's 'Race'?"
I looked at him, and considered what to say.
So I answered, "You, Bobby, and Matthew are of 3 different races."
And he said, "Really? It doesn't seem like it."

You've got to be taught.

The democrats will not allow us to be a color-blind society. They are married to grievance theater, identity politics and race baiting.

I find it offensive to fill out check-box race questions on government forms. At what point will we be allowed to move on?

429 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:42:06am
430 Land Shark  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:42:10am

Absolutely incredible! Holder calls this a nation of cowards on the racial issue right after said nation elects it's first African American president. I'd say that's bullcrap. I thought Obama was the post racial candidate? Another Obama principle/promise/concept down the drain.

Kiss my ass, Mr. Attorney General!

431 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:42:26am

re: #397 zombie

Ain't that the truth. In the school system where I grew up (which was very racially mixed -- Hispanic, black, white and Asian in about equal proportions), the littlest 1st-3rd graders all intermingled freely without racial awareness. Then, starting in 4th grade, a bunch of proto-moonbats took over the school board and instituted a whole bunch of bullshit racial lessons in each class, in a ruinous wrongheaded attempt to "cure" the kids' supposed inherent racism. For the first time, the kids became aware of their racial difference, and with the teachers' tacit encouragement, self-segregation quickly followed.

From 4th grade onward, the school became a war zone of racial tension.

And it never would have happened if the asshole Marxists hadn't brainwashed the notion of race into us poor children. And insisted each child have "pride" in their race or ethnic heritage, above all other ethnicities. (White kids were told to focus not on their whitenss but on their ancestors' original culture of origin -- Polish, Italian, Jewish, French, etc.).

And now, that brainwashing begins in kindergarten, instead of 4th grade. Nationwide.

I hate the left for this reason perhaps above all others. To me, the left-wing race-baiters have done more social damage to this country than has the KKK.

Ain't that the truth.

You have my sympathies for those Marxist idiots messing with your childhood. Actually, I think "idiots" is far too kind a description.

432 efuseakay  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:42:54am

He will "clarify" his remarks by tomorrow afternoon.

433 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:43:09am

re: #372 Iron Fist

I'm comforted by your reply.

434 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:43:22am

Race: Other, I'm too cowardly to discuss race

435 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:43:25am

re: #430 Land Shark

Absolutely incredible! Holder calls this a nation of cowards on the racial issue right after said nation elects it's first African American president. I'd say that's bullcrap. I thought Obama was the post racial candidate? Another Obama principle/promise/concept down the drainunder the bus.

Kiss my ass, Mr. Attorney General!

436 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:43:38am

re: #402 Alouette

The same thing could be said about the Muslims, since they're all so afraid of "backlash" they should have special "protection centers" they can go to the next time there's a massive terror attack.

The difference is that the Jews will have not really done anything to bring on the attacks other than wanting to live in peace.

437 formercorpsman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:43:46am

This issue will never be allowed to be put to rest.

It has become an industry. Too many people profit from it.

438 voirdire  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:43:49am

Reparations.

439 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:44:05am

re: #430 Land Shark

These morons in Obamble's league will drag their opposition to mud and throw crap at all of them. First, they will call you COWARDS. Next they will call you other creepy names you would never have imagined. Then comes the practice to cure all these ills by trying to re-train your brains. :-D

440 Kaymad  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:44:19am

Okay. Lets talk race. As a substitute teacher in the Texas school system I learned one thing about race. Black kids in fairly wealthy communities have learned to use race as a bludgeon. Tell a kid to quiet down and work and you are called a racist. No matter that you just told the white kid next to her the same thing. In one class I solved the problem by telling the student that since I was a racist (in her mind) that I needed to be reported. I wrote her a pass to the school counselor and told her to please go and report me. The girl was gone for maybe 5 minutes, came back to the room, handed me the pass and told me she didn't talk to the counselor. After class she apologized.

My 8 year old learned the lesson on race early. She came home and told me she couldn't go to her class mates house because her mother, "doesn't like white people". So yeah, lets talk about race
because focusing on skin color solves so much.

441 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:44:25am

Alinsky Rules - rub raw the sores of discontent

442 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:44:25am

re: #438 voirdire

not enough, in Obamble's world view.

443 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:44:44am

re: #438 voirdire

Reparations.

They could be too late. Near as I can tell all the money has evaporated. If they want my mortgage, they can have it.

444 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:44:50am

re: #400 Sharmuta

I think everyone should check off "other" on their Census forms.

Census form? I've never encountered a census form.

But, yes, actually, for my entire life, not once have I checked a race box supposedly trying to pin down my "race." Even when i was a kid, as a form of protest, I would refuse to check the boxes (they didn't have "other" as an option in those days), or would check "other" when that option became available. In high school, I became extremely sarcastic and would create my own box that said "Martian" or "Purple" and check that box.

I agree -- everyone should boycott and protest any racial-classification boxes.

445 Boxy_brown  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:44:57am

re: #437 formercorpsman

It has become an industry. Too many people profit from it.


An industry, a means of control, an excuse... It serves a lot of purposes.

446 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:45:00am

re: #430 Land Shark

Absolutely incredible! Holder calls this a nation of cowards on the racial issue right after said nation elects it's first African American president. I'd say that's bullcrap. I thought Obama was the post racial candidate? Another Obama principle/promise/concept down the drain.
Kiss my ass, Mr. Attorney General!

ALL of Obama's statements/promises/pledges have an expiration date. Every one.

447 jamgarr  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:45:01am

re: #374 Ford_Prefect

I am in this lgf group. I have my lgf nic mentioned in the comments area.

What's the low-down on preserving lizard identity amongst lizards?

448 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:45:02am

re: #438 voirdire

Reparations.

Well, there are lots of mules about, but we'd put a lot of petting zoos out of business.

449 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:45:23am

re: #438 voirdire

Reparations.

It all comes down to the almighty dollar.... too bad "Hope and Change" is going to make that piece of paper worthless....

450 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:45:26am

on my next census form
I am going to hand write in


"taxpayer"

that pretty much sums up who I am

451 NYCHardhat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:45:33am

I really have no more time for this piece of shit administration.

452 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:45:45am

Sharpton Spanks the Monkey Cartoon

The cartoon (by Sean Delonas) comes in the wake of yesterday's national news story about the cop who shot and killed a rampaging chimp in Connecticut. But the controversy in the comic comes from the dialogue between the two officers -- which reads, "Now they will have to find someone else to write the stimulus bill."

Before most of you woke up, Sharpton already fired off a statement saying, "The cartoon in today's New York Post is troubling at best given the historic racist attacks of African-Americans as being synonymous with monkeys. One has to question whether the cartoonist is making a less than casual reference to this when in the cartoon they have police saying after shooting a chimpanzee that "Now they will have to find someone else to write the stimulus bill."

"Being that the stimulus bill has been the first legislative victory of President Barack Obama (the first African American president) and has become synonymous with him it is not a reach to wonder are they inferring that a monkey wrote the last bill?"

Calls to the Post have not been returned.

Actually, those against (legal) immigration at the end of the 19th, beginning of the 20th centuries portrayed the IRISH as monkeys in political cartoons.

453 FightingBack  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:45:49am

re: #397 zombie

This process is well known in my neighborhood. In February, the K students come home with the new vocabulary for the first time "In my class, Mary is African American, but the other girls are White." Up until then, they are clueless about these labels.

Sometimes, I'm asked professional advice about interracial adoption in families. I tell 'em that the kids will never notice.

454 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:45:50am

Song for Mr Holder

455 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:45:59am

re: #447 jamgarr

I am on facebook too but I wont join that group because I'd like to protect my identity a bit.

456 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:46:12am

re: #451 NYCHardhat

I really have no more time for this piece of shit administration.

Sad to say, though, they have plenty of time for, and interest in, you. That's the problem - they don't want to leave people alone.

457 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:46:33am

re: #451 NYCHardhat

I really have no more time for this piece of shit administration.

It's only been a month. Give'em a chance. The full laugh potential hasn't even been scratched yet.

458 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:46:38am

re: #438 voirdire

Reparations.

Oh, I'm sure that's where we're headed.

459 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:46:41am

re: #428 FrogMarch

The democrats will not allow us to be a color-blind society. They are married to grievance theater, identity politics and race baiting.

I find it offensive to fill out check-box race questions on government forms. At what point will we be allowed to move on?

I tried to tell the feds one time, getting my passport, that I didnt know my father and wasn't sure of his birthday or birth place, that it was all rumor as far as I knew and why is that my responsibility since he abandoned his wife etc etc...denied...had to go back and tell them the truth...before I was married the last time I confirmed my name and address for the census...that's it...they never argued about it

460 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:46:48am

re: #456 Guanxi88

4 more yrs left...

461 vagabond trader  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:46:54am

Read a while back that this guy carry's a card around that says something to the effect that in the eyes of America you will always be a black man. Have to find the link. Anyone?

462 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:47:15am

re: #444 zombie

I usually do that too. I have a couple of answers I've been known to give, and even my liberal cousin chuckled at a few of them and said she was going to use one.

463 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:47:20am
464 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:47:45am

re: #460 winston06

4 more yrs left...

If we're lucky.

465 NYCHardhat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:47:50am

re: #456 Guanxi88

Sad to say, though, they have plenty of time for, and interest in, you. That's the problem - they don't want to leave people alone.

re: #457 calcajun

It's only been a month. Give'em a chance. The full laugh potential hasn't even been scratched yet.

I'm really tired of hearing that I am racist. I don't like people equally.

466 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:47:55am

re: #452 Ben Hur

Sharpton Spanks the Monkey Cartoon


Actually, those against (legal) immigration at the end of the 19th, beginning of the 20th centuries portrayed the IRISH as monkeys in political cartoons.

I've seen political cartoons from the beginning of the 20th century that portrayed Italians as monkeys, too.

467 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:47:59am

re: #448 calcajun

Well, there are lots of mules about, but we'd put a lot of petting zoos out of business.

"I'm afraid I can't use a mule. I have several hundred up on Capitol Hill." -refusing a gift of a mule

Ronald Reagan

468 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:48:00am

re: #377 Sharmuta

Can't wait for my Census form now!

Will I be able to check "coward" under "Race:" I'm writing it in if I can't.

Afrocity's census form

Race: African American (Non Hispanic) check
Reparations? Yes, sent to my account # via direct deposit.

469 prince of dorkness  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:48:05am

Speak for yourself BE-YOTCH!

470 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:48:11am

re: #434 Sharmuta

Race: Other, I'm too cowardly to discuss race

heh...exactly

471 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:48:31am
472 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:48:34am

re: #443 unreconstructed rebel

They could be too late. Near as I can tell all the money has evaporated. If they want my mortgage, they can have it.

Maybe reparations could be paid out in mortgage-backed securities...

473 RedAce99  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:48:35am

Perhaps He is right..
Now when I look in the mirror in the morning I will see a Coward..
Mr. Holder...how can i make things right?

jk

474 razorbacker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:48:43am

Gotta tell folks one thing, though.

I'm really impressed with the efficiency of the Obamanation. Really, really impressed.

I figured it'd take at least a year to screw up the county like this. But no, he's done it in less than thirty days.

You've got to stand in slack-jawed astonishment at that kind of efficiency.

475 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:48:45am

Hate me
Blame me
You can't shame me
Come and stand with me
I'm American

476 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:48:46am

re: #454 Sharmuta

Song for Mr Holder



"Hate me, blame me, you can't shame me"...I like it!

477 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:48:58am

re: #466 Spiny Norman

I've seen political cartoons from the beginning of the 20th century that portrayed Italians as monkeys, too.

Go back to the 1840's and see the way the Irish were portrayed.

478 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:49:22am

re: #474 razorbacker

Gotta tell folks one thing, though.

I'm really impressed with the efficiency of the Obamanation. Really, really impressed.

I figured it'd take at least a year to screw up the county like this. But no, he's done it in less than thirty days.

You've got to stand in slack-jawed astonishment at that kind of efficiency.

Yeah, he's Jimmy Carter in hyperdrive. Woopdedoo.

479 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:49:32am
480 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:49:42am

re: #441 DistantThunder

Alinsky Rules - rub raw the sores of discontent


bingo.

481 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:49:50am

re: #479 calcajun

Where does "rape" fit in then?

Never.

482 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:49:51am

re: #444 zombie

Census form? I've never encountered a census form.

But, yes, actually, for my entire life, not once have I checked a race box supposedly trying to pin down my "race." Even when i was a kid, as a form of protest, I would refuse to check the boxes (they didn't have "other" as an option in those days), or would check "other" when that option became available. In high school, I became extremely sarcastic and would create my own box that said "Martian" or "Purple" and check that box.

I agree -- everyone should boycott and protest any racial-classification boxes.

Every job application that I have ever filled out has had boxes for "gender" and "racial classification." These boxes are supposedly "optional" for the job applicant but they are used for "affirmative action."

483 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:49:58am
484 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:50:09am

re: #476 scottishbuzzsaw

I'm an American related to all colors of brethren
Priests and Pastors and Prophets and Reverends
Divided we fall united we stand together man
In this cultural melting pot there's nothing better than
This land of the free and the home of the brave
Populated by ancestors of immigrants and slaves who met early graves
So we could see brighter days and we could proudly
Praise and raise the stars and stripes as Americans

485 oh_dude  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:50:25am

Mr. Holder,

A $1,000 to your favorite charity if you can name one country other than the United States where a poor minority has the most opportunity to become rich and/or successful....

I didn't think so.

I'd call you a fuck-tard, but that would be an insult to fuck-tards.

486 NYCHardhat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:50:30am

re: #475 Sharmuta

Hate me
Blame me
You can't shame me
Come and stand with me
I'm American

I prefer:

I'm a negative creep when I'm stoned.

487 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:50:36am

re: #478 acwgusa

Yeah, he's Jimmy Carter in hyperdrive. Woopdedoo.

Anyway we can connect Jimmah to the peanut butter scandal. Didn't he usta farm peanuts?

488 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:50:53am

re: #447 jamgarr

What's the low-down on preserving lizard identity amongst lizards?

I don't know what the official position is, or if there is one. I don't reveal any personal info here, and the only people on facebook that can see my personal stuff are the ones that I accept as friends.

489 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:50:55am

re: #477 calcajun

Go back to the 1840's and see the way the Irish were portrayed.

I was responding to Ben Hur pointing out that very thing.

;^)

490 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:50:59am

re: #465 NYCHardhat

I'm really tired of hearing that I am racist. I don't like people equally.

"I love mankind, it's people I can't stand"

Snoopy


Charles M. Schulz

491 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:50:59am

re: #463 Iron Fist

I've expected that I'd be killed ever since I was about 15. People have tried, but as you can see, I'm not dead yet. I take a good bit of killing.

you're alot smarter than me...I can be foolish and extremely stubborn and do thing not good for my health or future...I get wild eyed sometimes

492 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:51:03am

Question for Mr. Holder,

Do you have the courage?
The courage of the dream?
The courage to judge everyone by the content of their character?

Well see who really has courage.

493 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:51:10am
494 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:51:12am

re: #484 Sharmuta

I'm an American related to all colors of brethren
Priests and Pastors and Prophets and Reverends
Divided we fall united we stand together man
In this cultural melting pot there's nothing better than
This land of the free and the home of the brave
Populated by ancestors of immigrants and slaves who met early graves
So we could see brighter days and we could proudly
Praise and raise the stars and stripes as Americans

I'm cryin' here...hadn't heard that song before but it's a keeper...thanks, Shar!

495 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:51:28am

To the Attorney General of Cowards....Don't fuck with Texas [...]

WHEREAS, Today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated
as agents of the federal government; and
WHEREAS, Many federal laws are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States
; and
WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment assures that we, the people of the United States of America and each sovereign state in the Union of States, now have, and have always had, rights the federal government may not usurp; and

Thanks NRO...you've made my day.

496 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:51:31am

re: #464 Guanxi88

USSA* in 4 yrs?

*USSR

497 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:51:37am

re: #475 Sharmuta

Highly appropriate. Thank you.

498 razorbacker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:51:37am

re: #438 voirdire

Reparations.

Two ways to accomplish that. You can take some from them that has it to elevate those that don't.

Or you can drag them that has it down to the level of those that don't.

Second way is easier.

499 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:51:55am

re: #494 scottishbuzzsaw

{Scotti}

500 FightingBack  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #437 formercorpsman

This issue will never be allowed to be put to rest.

It has become an industry. Too many people profit from it.

In my school district, there's a big contingent of teachers who perpetuate certain language positions on the K-level immigrant students, in order to keep themselves employed. On their own, the kids are perfectly capable of picking up English in about a month.

501 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:52:17am

re: #485 oh_dude

He and 0bama r gonna make sure that it wont stay like that

502 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:52:47am

re: #482 Alouette

Every job application that I have ever filled out has had boxes for "gender" and "racial classification." These boxes are supposedly "optional" for the job applicant but they are used for "affirmative action."

The employers are required to report that information to the Feds, so they don't get sued...

503 mattm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:53:16am

So we don't talk about race, but celebrate Black History month.

504 NYCHardhat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:53:32am

re: #502 Spiny Norman

The employers are required to report that information to the Feds, so they don't get sued...

I'm checking the box off that reads white.

505 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:53:46am

re: #479 calcajun

Where does "rape" fit in then?

Also, it's a joke from Schlock Mercenary.

506 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:54:10am

re: #481 acwgusa

Never.

Well, you were the one reading off the viking to-do list.

Sigh. Once proud warrior race--now reduced to cowering from Muslims behind their Danish modern furniture in their home country, their once mighty swords beaten into Allen wrenches.

507 Haverwilde  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:54:12am

I grew up in a University town. Most 'minorities' in town were on student visas from around the world. So I observed, and learned.
In third grade Sunday School at the Baptist church we had a new teacher. He was black. I sat with him in church that day. At the end of the service I innocently asked him "What country are you from?" He answered very seriously, "I am from a strange country, a long way from here. It is called South Carolina."

508 hazzyday  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:54:15am

This a prelude or a setup for your future racial and social justice training. Where as a white person by the nature of the color of your skin you are a racist and an oppressor. And as a black person by the nature of the color of your skin you are oppressed and victim of the oppressor. As a white person you are the one responsible for social ills.

Most big metropolitan governments and school systems already have these programs in place. It will be part of Obama's daily call to volunteer. Welcome to Marxism 09

509 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:54:16am

You know, now that I think on it, the AG is calling the Stormfront and VDARE crowd the bravest americans there are, since all they talk about revolves on race.

510 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:54:35am

Changed my nic link. Heh

511 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:54:48am

re: #384 rightymouse

Well! I guess Holder told us, eh?

Was he calling EVERYONE in the nation a coward?

Nice going, putzwad. You just insulted over 300 million Americans.

"it won't make any difference......." *forlornly*
- Newt to Ripley in Aliens

That's what drives me nuts. Nothing will happen. Remember Murtha calling his own constituents racists just before the election. And he still won.......
It's hard not to feel hopeless...........and alone (except for you lizards).

512 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:55:00am

re: #505 acwgusa

Also, it's a joke from Schlock Mercenary.

Crap! Sorry Charles!

513 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:55:25am
re: #482 Alouette

Every job application that I have ever filled out has had boxes for "gender" and "racial classification." These boxes are supposedly "optional" for the job applicant but they are used for "affirmative action."

I always check the box that says "Native American".

514 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:55:39am

re: #503 mattm

So we don't talk about race, but celebrate Black History month.

or name 16000 schools and roads after MLK?....this statement is utteru blasphemous and inflammatory....from our AG...think about that

515 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:55:39am

re: #500 FightingBack

In my school district, there's a big contingent of teachers who perpetuate certain language positions on the K-level immigrant students, in order to keep themselves employed. On their own, the kids are perfectly capable of picking up English in about a month.

In Obama's educational reform program

E = mc hammer

516 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:55:43am

re: #509 Thanos

You know, now that I think on it, the AG is calling the Stormfront and VDARE crowd the bravest americans there are, since all they talk about revolves on race.

Oh, the irony! It burns!

517 jester6  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:55:47am

re: #372 Iron Fist


Of course, I could be wrong. I am certain that the Democrats want to pass stringent gun control laws. That and radical abortion (4th trimester, anyone?) are about the only two things that the Democrats believe in across the board, but the Democrats have to remember 1994 and the "Assault Weapons" bill that they got through then. The one that cost them control of both the House and Senate. They aren't going to want to repeat that, so I expect them to tread carefully. At least until after the first mid-term elections.

I agree with your analysis. The big question is will they get drunk with power and try it anyway.

518 fish  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:56:03am

re: #372 Iron Fist

Not really. I'm betting on them trying to pass some kind of magazine capacity ban and/or "assault weapons" ban.

Do we know for certain nothing was slipped into the "Stimulus Package"?

519 hazzyday  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:56:26am

re: #482 Alouette

Every job application that I have ever filled out has had boxes for "gender" and "racial classification." These boxes are supposedly "optional" for the job applicant but they are used for "affirmative action."

Eyebrows are raised at my work if you fill these forms out in jest or incompletely. It's doubtful you will get ahead then. Unless you have a winning personality.l

520 NYCHardhat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:56:37am

White male = slur
Only in this day and age.

521 MarineVet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:56:37am

VERY TRUE! It disgusts me when EVERYONE uses "AMERICAN" as their second choice of words! Such as "African AMERICAN" "Asian AMERICAN" and "European AMERICAN" when I am asked my "race" I fill it in with AMERICAN at least this white guy does it......

re: #9 OrzBorz

522 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:56:44am

So what does the latest science say about classifying human biodiversity? This wiki is a start.

Serious discussion about "race" should be scientific, not this political shite.

523 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:56:52am

re: #518 fish

I'm betting it a tax on ammo.

524 jjmckay1216  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:56:58am

I grew up in DC and was in the pro-am basketball leagues there. Once in the McKinley Tech league, I was the ONLY white dude. I say this becuz I was part of inverse racism and it wasn't pretty. My best friends were black and knew I was not racist and they had my back, so I was not worried. This guy needs to do some soul seraching if he wants to go racial on america, because i don't think that racism is as bad anymore nowadays than some folks wish it were. It is key for the BHO admin to keep race in the forefront to make white america feel bad and honestly, i think we won't buy into it. We have grown too much since the 60's and if we allow them to goat us, then we are just doing what they want us to do. I truly believe that we are not a racist nation. the unfortunate thing is, there are some blacks who do not want that to happen. RANT OFF

525 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:57:41am

re: #509 Thanos

You know, now that I think on it, the AG is calling the Stormfront and VDARE crowd the bravest americans there are, since all they talk about revolves on race.

What about the Nation of Islam?

526 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:57:52am

re: #444 zombie

I used to just answer the question, but now, I think "Other" is more appropriate. My "race" is human, period. Holder can take his race-baiting and go fuck himself.

527 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:57:58am

re: #504 NYCHardhat

I'm checking the box off that reads white.

Hey there my online bf. i have missed you. i need to go now. might be on later.

528 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:58:04am

re: #496 winston06

USSA* in 4 yrs?

*USSR

Yes, and right before our eyes, and without a shot being fired.
[Link: thecaptiansquarters.blogspot.com...]

530 NYCHardhat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:58:40am

re: #527 bellamags

Hey there my online bf. i have missed you. i need to go now. might be on later.

Hey hun. I will "see" you later. *kiss*

531 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:58:40am

re: #513 Ringo the Gringo

I always check the box that says "Native American".

Same here.

532 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:58:43am

re: #526 Honorary Yooper

Richard Lewontin, claiming that 85 percent of human variation occurs within populations, and not among populations, argued that neither "race" nor "subspecies" were appropriate or useful ways to describe populations (Lewontin 1973).

533 Gretchen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:58:46am

re: #504 NYCHardhat

I'm checking the box off that reads white.

That box has been replaced with one that now says "The Man".

This is the new racial plan for America, the ObamaCensus won't allow African Americans like Michael Steel to claim themselves as such, they go in the "the Man" category, as will non-feminist women who ironically are less like "the Man" than say, Hillary.

534 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:59:10am

I will take "General" Holder's remarks for what they are - PROJECTION! That is all.

-S-

535 Paul  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:59:22am

Utter crap and it's so hypocritical. As a retired federal employee, and a white male, I always knew any "frank discussion" of race was "We talk, you listen."

So I shut up and listened.

536 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:00:01pm

re: #50 zombie

That makes absolutely no sense. "We talk incessantly about race -- but we just don't talk enough about race!"

Shut up, fool. We talk too much about race.

Racism has been kept alive in this country by left-wing race-baiters will insist on a culture of racial "identity politics" being inculcated in our children. We had the opportunity to become post-racial, to stop obsessing over it, but it was the multiculturalists who would not let the issue fade away, and who (intentionally or not) maintained "racial consciousness" in America.

I for one wish we would forever stop caring about, noticing or even mentioning anyone's race, because it is completely irrelevant to someone's personhood.

The more that wrongheaded idiots like Eric Holder insist we obsess over race, the more we will be a racially divided country.

Favorited. Updinged.

537 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:00:04pm

re: #518 fish

Not really. I'm betting on them trying to pass some kind of magazine capacity ban and/or "assault weapons" ban.

Do we know for certain nothing was slipped into the "Stimulus Package"?

The Welfare Reform Act of 1996 was rescinded. Just like that. We're back to where we were before, when the States got Federal money based on how many people they signed up. I wonder what else that would never have passed on its own got through under the radar.

538 NYCHardhat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:00:06pm

re: #533 Gretchen

That box has been replaced with one that now says "The Man".

This is the new racial plan for America, the ObamaCensus won't allow African Americans like Michael Steel to claim themselves as such, they go in the "the Man" category, as will non-feminist women who ironically are less like "the Man" than say, Hillary.

Again, see my #451.

539 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:00:08pm

re: #521 MarineVet

VERY TRUE! It disgusts me when EVERYONE uses "AMERICAN" as their second choice of words! Such as "African AMERICAN" "Asian AMERICAN" and "European AMERICAN" when I am asked my "race" I fill it in with AMERICAN at least this white guy does it......

I've been known to fill it in as 'Human.'

540 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:00:19pm

re: #533 Gretchen

"non-feminist women" = conservative women

541 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:00:22pm

re: #511 LGoPs

It's hard not to feel hopeless...........and alone (except for you lizards).

I'm with you there...*sigh*

542 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:00:43pm

re: #539 CyanSnowHawk

I've been known to fill it in as 'Human.'

IN that case, would you care to make a contribution to the Human Fund?

543 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:00pm

re: #523 calcajun

I'm betting it a tax on ammo.

They're trying something different here in Illinois. A bill in committee is to make each and every holder of a FOID card (necessary in fascist Illinois) to carry $1 million in liability insurance for the firearm.

544 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:02pm

Obama and crew need to learn that the market rebounds when THEY SHUT UP.

545 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:03pm

re: #523 calcajun

I'm betting it a tax on ammo.

These guys had stock, reasonable price and shipped quickly.

I'm betting on the OSHA rule re-classifying ammo to make a come back too.

546 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:10pm

second thought
on my census form I will put


coward, taxypayer and reparations payer

547 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:23pm

re: #306 The Other Les

I feel like I'm living in a novel by Ayn Rand.

I suggest that those who have not read Atlas Shrugged because it was tainted by Amela-pay and her silly blog, please read the actual novel to get a sense of what has happened in the US.

548 razorbacker  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:24pm

Simple solution to all this, boys and girls. I'm surprise none of y'all has suggested it.

As I understand it (y'all creationists please just talk amongst yourselfs for a few moments) all human life originated in Africa.

So, regardless of your outward appearance, you are an African-American.

*Razorbacker, saying what you're just thinking.*

549 Lincolntf  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:38pm

Of all the statements that have been attached to Obama because they were spoken by his friends, advisors and colleagues this one is among the worst. A nation of cowards? Even limited to the issue of race, it is an absurd statement. Obama either craves the company of those who hold America in contempt or he is the worst judge of character in the world.
Fuck you, Holder.

550 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:39pm

21:43 John Kerry: U.S. will renew diplomatic ties with Syria if it changes its behavior (AP)

Last update - 13:21 18/02/2009

Syria reportedly stepping up production of chemical weapons

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Kerry your a jerk and there really is no need to go about proving it every day?

551 MarineVet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:46pm

re: #524 jjmckay1216

Politics at its finest!

552 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:01:52pm
553 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:02:11pm

re: #521 MarineVet

VERY TRUE! It disgusts me when EVERYONE uses "AMERICAN" as their second choice of words! Such as "African AMERICAN" "Asian AMERICAN" and "European AMERICAN" when I am asked my "race" I fill it in with AMERICAN at least this white guy does it......

They just call us black most times.

554 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:02:23pm
555 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:02:26pm

re: #540 Afrocity

I'm a feminist. Just another hijacked ideal, but I'm taking it back, damnit.

556 MarineVet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:02:57pm

re: #539 CyanSnowHawk


Hmmm Human sounds great too....

557 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:03:18pm

re: #556 MarineVet

Hmmm Human sounds great too....

Cannibal!

558 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:03:41pm

re: #542 Guanxi88

IN that case, would you care to make a contribution to the Human Fund?

My money goes to human fun. I spend way too much at the Disney resorts.

559 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:03:55pm

Obamble will be in Canada tomorrow. I think anti-Obamble people should protest Dear Leader's visit to Canuckistan.

Obama not welcome in Canada

560 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:03:58pm

re: #525 MandyManners

re: #509 Thanos

You know, now that I think on it, the AG is calling the Stormfront and VDARE crowd the bravest americans there are, since all they talk about revolves on race.

What about the Nation of Islam?

Those racist idiots, too.

561 MarineVet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:04:03pm

re: #544 acwgusa

If that shut up that means the campaign trail has ended and then they really have to get to work....

562 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:04:05pm

re: #550 Nevergiveup

21:43 John Kerry: U.S. will renew diplomatic ties with Syria if it changes its behavior (AP)

Last update - 13:21 18/02/2009

Syria reportedly stepping up production of chemical weapons

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Kerry your a jerk and there really is no need to go about proving it every day?


watch out, he is the next Secretary of Defense
they're busy sanitizing his files
end of year, Gates will step down
and Kerry will step in
will rename himself
white-flag-czar
and Defense will become dept of peace

563 Cathypop  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:04:26pm

What next? Mandatory classes on race relations? How to discuss racism? I have a feeling that some idiots are going to commit crimes thinking that because of their race nothing will happen to them. ARGH!

564 gmsc  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:04:31pm

re: #547 debutaunt

I suggest that those who have not read Atlas Shrugged because it was tainted by Amela-pay and her silly blog, please read the actual novel to get a sense of what has happened in the US.

I'm in the midst of listening to my unabridged audio book of Atlas Shrugged. I just finished chapter 5, where the San Sebastian Mines have ben nationalized, and Dagny asks Francisco why he invested in worthless mines.

I love how Francisco is startled when Dangy asks about the 5th concerto.

565 redseeped  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:04:40pm

re: #43 JammieWearingFool

That's all we talk about.

And it seems that this is going to be the topic for decades. Too good a cottage industry to let go, no matter how tedious the arguments are getting. Voices are raising in favor of "economic equality" to compliment the political emancipation of America. Hmmm....

566 RedAce99  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:04:55pm

Question:
What type of damage control is the mainstream media using to cover up this absurd comment?
Are they just embracing it as wisdom?

567 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:05:29pm

Okay Lizards, I am afraid (see, he was right) that I must leave. I hope to see you all down the road.

*Walks off with towel over the shoulder and electronic thumb out.

568 bulwrk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:05:36pm

re: #546 Adrenalyn

second thought
on my census form I will put

coward, taxypayer and reparations payer

That's code for Republican.

569 MarineVet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:05:37pm

re: #563 Cathypop

Already happening.....

570 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:05:39pm

re: #559 winston06

Obamble will be in Canada tomorrow. I think anti-Obamble people should protest Dear Leader's visit to Canuckistan.

Obama not welcome in Canada

So is the rock star on a world "Idiot Aid" tour ?

571 NYCHardhat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:05:39pm

re: #563 Cathypop

What next? Mandatory classes on race relations? How to discuss racism? I have a feeling that some idiots are going to commit crimes thinking that because of their race nothing will happen to them. ARGH!

Race relations? Thats like trying to stop ALL islamofacism. It won't happen.

572 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:05:40pm

re: #566 RedAce99

yes. They share the same level of IQ and intelligence

573 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:05:42pm

No fans allowed in tennis arena when Sweden hosts Israel

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Nice world we live in

574 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:05:53pm
"...in things racial we have always been ... essentially a nation of cowards.”


Union dead at Gettysburg

I do not really know who you are, sir, but you are wrong.

575 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:05:57pm

I can't find the article but a college or institute was doing a study on race. They found out that during the course of this study all the 'white's' avoided labeling someone as 'black' / 'African American' or even making a remark on someone's skin color. They concluded that because of the way they, the whites, avoided labeling someone by their skin color...they were ...wait for it... wait for it.. 'Racist'.

We are now in the Twilight Zone.

576 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:05:58pm

re: #567 Ford_Prefect

Okay Lizards, I am afraid (see, he was right) that I must leave. I hope to see you all down the road.

*Walks off with towel over the shoulder and electronic thumb out.

Thanks for all the fish.

577 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:06:01pm

re: #570 Afrocity

He is not welcome here

578 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:06:29pm

re: #559 winston06

Obamble will be in Canada tomorrow. I think anti-Obamble people should protest Dear Leader's visit to Canuckistan.

Obama not welcome in Canada

He'll ask you to unclench your fist put down your hockey stick.

579 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:06:37pm

Sharmuta's Census Form:

Race: Lizard

580 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:06:38pm

"a nation of cowards"?

hey Eric! come say that to my face, and we'll see what's up.

581 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:06:59pm

re: #562 Adrenalyn

Kerry couldn't make good on that threat in 2004, and now he's back peddling the same failed diplomatic options in 2009, but he's got a willing partner in Obama to carry his water for him.

Syria is responsible for the deaths of Americans by its support and aid to Hamas, Hizbullah, and the Iraqi insurgency. They are not to be bargained with from a position of weakness, and yet that's exactly what the US is in the process of doing. There's all carrot and no stick involved. And Assad knows this, which is why he's busy pushing forward with his plans in this fashion.

582 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:07:00pm

re: #568 bulwrk

That's code for Republican.

shit, I forgot one other thing that makes me unique

I pay my mortgage on time

and man, do I feel like a chump for it.....

583 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:07:10pm

re: #579 Sharmuta

Sharmuta's Census Form:

Race: Lizard

Pink or green? ;>)

584 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:07:17pm

re: #567 Ford_Prefect

Okay Lizards, I am afraid (see, he was right) that I must leave. I hope to see you all down the road.

*Walks off with towel over the shoulder and electronic thumb out.

Hope the Vogons don't get here first.

585 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:07:23pm

They really have been keeping us down.

/Oprah and Will Smith

586 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:07:47pm

re: #583 scottishbuzzsaw

Pink or green? ;>)

Blue.

587 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:10pm

Here we go. Stand by for race relations to take a header.

588 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:16pm

re: #583 scottishbuzzsaw

Pink or green? ;>)

Chamelon; which every color will get me the biggest piece of Porkzilla.
///////

589 SummerSong  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:23pm

Eric Holder needs to get out of the house more often...

590 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:24pm
591 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:27pm

re: #582 Adrenalyn

shit, I forgot one other thing that makes me unique

I pay my mortgage on time

and man, do I feel like a chump for it.....

That does not make you unique, but it does make you rare, at least where the MSM is concerned.

592 Lincolntf  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:37pm

re: #566 RedAce99

It should be the first question Holder is asked next time he gets near a microphone. "Could you clarify your statement?" would be all it takes to see where he's coming from. If the media doesn't press a bit on this (if it were a Repub, however...) then Holder will have been granted a huge free pass.

593 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:44pm

re: #586 Sharmuta

Blue.

*slaps forehead* Of course!

594 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:48pm

re: #563 Cathypop

What next? Mandatory classes on race relations? How to discuss racism?

Hate to break the news to you, but our universities are already filled with many mandatory classes on race relations. Basically, every class that isn't about science, math or business is now about race.

Your nightmare has been true for at least 20 years already.

595 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:49pm

re: #589 SummerSong

Eric Holder needs to get out of the house more often...

He can come over here and kiss my ass.

596 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:50pm

re: #586 Sharmuta

Blue.

Breath, for G-d's sake take a breath!
;-P

597 Gretchen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:50pm

re: #555 Sharmuta

I'm a feminist. Just another hijacked ideal, but I'm taking it back, damnit.

Sorry, you have been reassigned to "the Man" status unless you think you are a victim, hate Sarah Palin, and worship Obama. Feminism no longer has anything to do with the rights of women, just the aims of liberals.

598 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:08:53pm

I have to run. My apologies to all for losing my cool.

599 Lee Coller  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:09:07pm

I agree with him, we are a nation of cowards and are afraid to address the real racial issues that remain. Until I see the following I won't be satisfied.

1) Black Secretary of State
2) Black Female Secretary of State
3) Black President
4) Black US Attorney General
5) Black Supreme Court Justice

When we see these things, then we'll know we're beyond race.

//Do I really need this?

600 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:09:28pm

re: #589 SummerSong

Eric Holder needs to get out of the house more often...

RACIST!
///

601 shiplord kirel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:09:33pm

Face it, people, the enemy has taken over the government.

602 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:09:37pm

re: #576 jcm

Was he joking?

603 bill-tb  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:09:40pm

Might I suggest the first black AG have a heart to heart talk with Senator KKK about the Democrats heritage of KKK terror, lynchings, Jim Crow laws, and segregation? Yes the truth isn't pretty, but it does the soul good to talk about the darkness.

604 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:09:50pm

re: #29 WriterMom

Office of the Attorney General Contact Us.

BE POLITE

Remember, they have all the guns and badges now.

605 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:09:57pm

Can we stop worrying about the Fairness Doctrine now?
White House: Obama Opposes 'Fairness Doctrine' Revival

606 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:09:57pm
607 VioletTiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:10:08pm

re: #547 debutaunt

I suggest that those who have not read Atlas Shrugged because it was tainted by Amela-pay and her silly blog, please read the actual novel to get a sense of what has happened in the US.


I have actually bought a copy and will read on the plane next week. It's the only good thing about traveling - I get to sit and read.

608 Cathypop  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:10:09pm

re: #594 zombie

Hate to break the news to you, but our universities are already filled with many mandatory classes on race relations. Basically, every class that isn't about science, math or business is now about race.

Your nightmare has been true for at least 20 years already.


CRAP!

609 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:10:19pm

re: #599 Lee Coller

I agree with him, we are a nation of cowards and are afraid to address the real racial issues that remain. Until I see the following I won't be satisfied.

1) Black Secretary of State
2) Black Female Secretary of State
3) Black President
4) Black US Attorney General
5) Black Supreme Court Justice

When we see these things, then we'll know we're beyond race.

//Do I really need this?

1, 2, & 5 don't count, race traitors.
/////

610 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:10:47pm

What amazes me is that after our intervention in the Great War, then slugging it out with European Fascism and Imperial Japanese brutality, then fighting the NorK's and ChiComs to a stop in Korea, followed by winning the war (but being robbed of the victory) in Vietnam, struggling against the Evil Empire for nearly 50 years, etc., etc., etc.

all that, and we evidently just hand the keys over to a slick Chicago politician who stepped out of no discernible past and into the White House, where he and his crew promptly begin smashing the place up and making the owners feel like heels while selling out our friends and emboldening our enemies.

Did I miss something, or did we just lose a good chunk of what we gained in the 20th century? Was it all for nothing?

611 shiplord kirel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:10:50pm

"A nation of cowards"

Isn't this what Hitler said about the Germans just before he shot himself?

612 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:10:51pm

re: #603 bill-tb

When Lincoln was president the Democrats voted as a party against the 13th amendment. You can find this fact in the book "Team of Rivals."

613 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:10:57pm

re: #597 Gretchen

Sorry, you have been reassigned to "the Man" status unless you think you are a victim, hate Sarah Palin, and worship Obama. Feminism no longer has anything to do with the rights of women, just the aims of liberals.

There are only going to be two boxes to choose from:

The Man [ ]
Opressed [ ]

614 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:11:00pm

And our Air Force pilots are cowards, too.

They kill from 30,000 feet.

Not like those brave Jihadis that crash them into buildings.

/refresher.

615 Lee Coller  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:11:02pm

re: #609 jcm

You're forgetting Thurgood Marshall

616 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:11:11pm

re: #602 Afrocity

Was he joking?

Hitchiker's Guide to Galaxy, he's just signing off for awhile.

617 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:11:16pm

re: #543 Honorary Yooper

They're trying something different here in Illinois. A bill in committee is to make each and every holder of a FOID card (necessary in fascist Illinois) to carry $1 million in liability insurance for the firearm.

You bring up a good point for all gun owners here. All of you should check your homeowners' policies and see if there are any specific firearms exclusions. If not, then call your carriers and ask. You do NOT want to be caught bare in the event of an injury.

618 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:11:22pm

US Marines Firefight With Insurgents From OP - Iraq


The troops seem motivated and morale looks good.

619 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:11:30pm

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Can we stop worrying about the Fairness Doctrine now?
White House: Obama Opposes 'Fairness Doctrine' Revival

They could call it something else. Think "local control" and "diversity".

620 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:11:40pm

re: #609 jcm

What? Thurgood Marshall isn't good enough for you? /

621 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:12:14pm

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Can we stop worrying about the Fairness Doctrine now?
White House: Obama Opposes 'Fairness Doctrine' Revival

Well, if he says he's against it, that means there's at least a 50% chance that he will have been found to have always supported it, no?

622 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:12:15pm

re: #611 shiplord kirel

"A nation of cowards"

Isn't this what Hitler said about the Germans just before he shot himself?

Yes exactly.

623 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:12:30pm

re: #595 Sharmuta

He can come over here and kiss my ass.

Why am I hearing "Blue Moon?"

624 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:12:38pm
625 Gretchen  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:13:29pm

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Can we stop worrying about the Fairness Doctrine now?
White House: Obama Opposes 'Fairness Doctrine' Revival

Obama never lies. Actually he will just call the Fairness Doctrine something else like " The Free Speech Act".

626 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:13:37pm

re: #606 taxfreekiller

#562

that would be the end of Kerry and the Democrats

Kerry's records can not be cleaned up, they are not in his exclusive possession any longer.

no need to worry
Democrats control everything
pretty much do whatever they want
and who in the Senate will fillibuster Kerry at confirmation ?

look at the shit they've already installed in the cabinet
tax cheats and racists
a war criminal/traitor is just rounding it out

627 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:13:53pm

re: #624 Iron Fist

I'm a big believer in the Cold Civil War idea. We've been fighting that almost from the moment the Berlin Wall came down.

You know, that is really right.

628 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:13:54pm
629 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:13:58pm

Well, upon further review, I do believe that Holder is right. We are a nation of cowards. We chose Obama over a more qualified candidate with more experience because of the fear of not doing so. We are cowards not to have confronted that possibility. /heavy on the sarc

630 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:14:01pm

re: #552 taxfreekiller

#495

Just introduced today, not voted on yet.

developing nation wide

google

10th amendment resolution

yep.

A step in the right direction - very important.

631 shiplord kirel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:14:04pm

re: #622 Nevergiveup

Yes exactly.

Hitler's agenda also had a lot to do with race relations, as I recall.

632 RedAce99  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:14:23pm

re: #592 Lincolntf

Unforunately we know having the D next to you name means Free Pass

633 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:14:33pm

As aside, Cotswold cheese is one of the finest cheese known to man

634 Rancher  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:14:40pm

First comment on that link:

Thats going to upset limbaugh nation. The righties don't like to be reminded of their racist past and present. Everythings great in their trailer park as far as race relations go you know

Now isn't that a little racist? The only racists I have seen have been democrats, usually minorities although Hispanics will soon be in the majority. Proclaiming "White Pride" is considered racist, and it is, but for some reason "Black Pride" or "Brown Pride" or "Viva La Raza" are not. Quotas are inherently racist and yet something the left always champions. As a Hispanic conservative ditto head, who therefore is not considered Hispanic enough, I'm going to laugh my ass off when minority whites begin to get preferential treatment in Government contracts, hiring, or admission to College. Oh wait, I won't, because they won't.

635 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:14:44pm

re: #619 MandyManners

They could call it something else. Think "local control" and "diversity".

Fairness Doctrine [Peter Kirsanow]

Despite occasional denials from Democrats that the Fairness Doctrine will be revived, a number of Democrats have stated recently that the Doctrine should be reinstituted. The speculation is that the Fairness Doctrine, per se, won't be revived. Rather, a series of regulatory changes would accomplish the same thing. The concern is that a Democrat-dominated agency insulated by a Democrat majority in congress could effect such a result.

Usually, by the time controversial regulations are even proposed by federal agencies, established interest groups have already mobilized to influence the outcome. They weigh in during the notice and comment period, contact interested members of congress, and sometimes petition the relevant agency with suggested amendments.

Conservative talk radio has a powerful megaphone, but the cohort directly affected is tiny. That cohort must remain alert to proposed regulations that, standing alone, could appear innocuous. The passage of the "stimulus bill" should be a lesson in how screwy provisions can get lost among seemingly run-of-the-mill provisions.
636 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:14:49pm

re: #626 Adrenalyn

I would like to see a political party that expels corrupt members.

637 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:15:07pm

Carrying this over from a previous thread, regarding the new Norwegian TV documentary about the Mahmoud Masharawi killing:

re: #214 Killgore Trout

at 22:00 they show scenes from the roof. They seem to still be claiming that is was a missile strike from a drone. The damage still looks like it's from a mortar (could be Israeli or hamas) or a Qassan rocket. What's the Spike thing they are talking about? Is that a weapon system?

The English-speaking man from so-called "Human Rights Watch" speculates that the damage was caused by a "Gil" or "Spike" missile fired from a Heron drone, but says he hasn't reached a firm conclusion yet. Later scenes in the documentary appear to address the source of the explosion in great detail, showing Mads Gilbert and Erik Fosse reviewing videotapes of other casualties, and even studying samples under in a laboratory under some sort of fume hood.

There is some discussion of the Spike missile in this Wikipedia site:

Spike-MR (also know as Gil) is the medium range version. Its range is 200 - 2,500 meters and is used by infantry and special forces. The weight of the missile is 13.5 kg, and the canister itself weighs 13 kg. The launcher, battery, tripod and the launcher are also used by other land-based versions of the Spike missile family, each weighing 13 kg, 1 kg, 3 kg, and 9 kg respectively.

It looks like there Gil is primarily a land-based anti-tank missile, which is the IDF's primary anti-tank weapon. There is more here. The Human Rights Watch guy collects little square pieces of shrapnel and says they were identical to pieces found at other "targeted killings." But wouldn't a HEAT warhead produce little shrapnel, coming not from the missile itself, but from whatever it blew up? I don't know about this stuff, so I'm asking.

I can't find any mention of an air-launched version of the Gil, but I did find this from 2003.

638 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:15:18pm
639 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:15:23pm

re: #628 Killgore Trout

Speaking of race relations.....
New York Post Chimp Cartoon Compares Stimulus Author To Dead Primate

Racist?

He should have known you can only compare Bush to a chimp

/

640 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:15:23pm

re: #610 Guanxi88

What amazes me is that after our intervention in the Great War, then slugging it out with European Fascism and Imperial Japanese brutality, then fighting the NorK's and ChiComs to a stop in Korea, followed by winning the war (but being robbed of the victory) in Vietnam, struggling against the Evil Empire for nearly 50 years, etc., etc., etc.

all that, and we evidently just hand the keys over to a slick Chicago politician who stepped out of no discernible past and into the White House, where he and his crew promptly begin smashing the place up and making the owners feel like heels while selling out our friends and emboldening our enemies.

Did I miss something, or did we just lose a good chunk of what we gained in the 20th century? Was it all for nothing?

The Soviets wasted a lot of money fielding 300 tank divisions. They infected us back in the '60's and they accomplished their goal without firing a shot.........
I still can't fucking believe it.

641 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:15:36pm

re: #631 shiplord kirel

Hitler's agenda also had a lot to do with race relations, as I recall.

Godwin on line 1, godwin on line 1

642 zombie  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:15:56pm

re: #599 Lee Coller

I agree with him, we are a nation of cowards and are afraid to address the real racial issues that remain. Until I see the following I won't be satisfied.

1) Black Secretary of State
2) Black Female Secretary of State
3) Black President
4) Black US Attorney General
5) Black Supreme Court Justice

When we see these things, then we'll know we're beyond race.

//Do I really need this?

Yes, and only when the following things happen in American culture will we be well and truly past race:

1. A black person as the wealthiest and most famous TV celebrity.
2. A black actor listed as the #1 most "bankable" star guaranteed to draw the largest audience.
3. A black athlete #1 in a traditionally "white" sport
4. Black singers winning a nationwide talent contest.
5. A black celebrity voted "most beautiful woman in America"
6. ...etc.

/cough OprahWinfreyWillSmithArthurAsheTigerWoodsFantasia JordinSparksHalleBerry cough

643 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:06pm

re: #633 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As aside, Cotswold cheese is one of the finest cheese known to man

Yes, but have you got any?

644 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:13pm

re: #631 shiplord kirel

Hitler's agenda also had a lot to do with race relations, as I recall.

And the Democrats are a party more interested in dividing us and play playing racial politics than anything else.

645 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:39pm

re: #599 Lee Coller

I agree with him, we are a nation of cowards and are afraid to address the real racial issues that remain. Until I see the following I won't be satisfied.

1) Black Secretary of State
2) Black Female Secretary of State
3) Black President
4) Black US Attorney General
5) Black Supreme Court Justice

When we see these things, then we'll know we're beyond race.

//Do I really need this?

And don't forget Black Football Coach who wins Superbowl
Black Olympic medalist in swimming

646 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:45pm

re: #636 Ojoe

I would like to see a political party that expels corrupt members.

the local Indians do that
to winnow down the number who share in the casino revenue

one day you're an Indian, the next day you piss someone off
and they make you "white" and no more moolah

647 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:16:59pm

For those of you who say "only 4 more years" -
in 4 years, the Republicans had better be running a Black, because anyone else will be labeled "Racist".
And the black Republican will be labeled "Uncle Tom".
About 2 or 3 years after that, if not sooner, we'll see a movement to repeal the 22nd amendment.
Hugo, meet 0bama. Two of a kind. Except Hugo is more openly a thug.

648 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:17:04pm

re: #628 Killgore Trout

Speaking of race relations.....
New York Post Chimp Cartoon Compares Stimulus Author To Dead Primate

Racist?

Racist?

Racist?

649 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:17:06pm

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Can we stop worrying about the Fairness Doctrine now?
White House: Obama Opposes 'Fairness Doctrine' Revival

Has Obama ever lived up to a promise?

650 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:17:28pm

re: #643 Guanxi88

Yes, but have you got any?

Yup, a nice slab with some wheat crackers, and a mix of various olives and grapes

651 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:17:49pm

re: #639 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He should have known you can only compare Bush to a chimp

/

And of course when they depicted Condi with big chimp lips, that was alright wasn't it?

652 bulwrk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:17:55pm

re: #612 Ojoe

When Lincoln was president the Democrats voted as a party against the 13th amendment. You can find this fact in the book "Team of Rivals."

I have noticed that there is a disturbing trend gaining steam among the liberal elites and in the black community to strip Lincoln of the Great Emancipator title.

653 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:18:05pm

re: #646 Adrenalyn

I suppose it could be abused.

654 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:18:06pm

re: #650 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yup, a nice slab with some wheat crackers, and a mix of various olives and grapes

I don't care how excrementally runny it is. Dispense the cheesy comestibles forthwith.

655 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:18:11pm

re: #649 Honorary Yooper

Has Obama ever lived up to a promise?

He closed Gitmo.

656 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:18:17pm

re: #625 Gretchen

Obama never lies. Actually he will just call the Fairness Doctrine something else like " The Free Speech Act".

after the stimulus sham - we understand how this new changey hopey government works. Bill Clinton feels the fairness doctrine is a good idea, says so - admits he'd like some "balance" introduced.
I'll stop worrying when democrats stop acting like fascists.

657 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:18:25pm

re: #655 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He closed Gitmo.

That hurts.

658 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:18:38pm

re: #654 Guanxi88

I don't care how excrementally runny it is. Dispense the cheesy comestibles forthwith.

Cat took it.

659 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:09pm

re: #652 bulwrk

I have noticed that there is a disturbing trend gaining steam among the liberal elites and in the black community to strip Lincoln of the Great Emancipator title.

I'd be curious to see a poll of Americans, asking which political party Lincoln was in. I don't think many of them would get it right.

660 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:16pm

re: #642 zombie

Yes, and only when the following things happen in American culture will we be well and truly past race:

1. A black person as the wealthiest and most famous TV celebrity.
2. A black actor listed as the #1 most "bankable" star guaranteed to draw the largest audience.
3. A black athlete #1 in a traditionally "white" sport
4. Black singers winning a nationwide talent contest.
5. A black celebrity voted "most beautiful woman in America"
6. ...etc.

/cough OprahWinfreyWillSmithArthurAsheTigerWoodsFantasia JordinSparksHalleBerry cough

A black female lizard at LGF. now there is a historic moment./

661 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:16pm

re: #652 bulwrk

I sack the liberal elites of their ability to sack other people's reputations.

Holy Grail reference.

662 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:34pm

re: #559 winston06

Obamble will be in Canada tomorrow. I think anti-Obamble people should protest Dear Leader's visit to Canuckistan.

Obama not welcome in Canada


Quick call the RCMP!

663 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:39pm

re: #655 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He closed Gitmo.

It's not closed yet. He's got that under consideration though - so consider it a partial promise (a down payment if you will).

664 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:49pm

re: #659 Last Mohican

Ask them what party MLK was in.

665 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:52pm

re: #635 jcm


ACORN Pushes Return of Fairness Doctrine

The framework for the attempt by Democrats to silence political opposition is already in place in what the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) calls localism, a scheme set up in the form of local “community boards” that will decide whether or not your local broadcast station is meeting the standards required to review and renew their broadcast licenses every two to four years.

As you can see from the FCC localism webpage, localism regulations have already been through well over a year’s worth of procedural hearings, and, as of April 2008, “Broadcast Information Specialists are Available for Public Inquires.” The rules and regulations have been set forth in “The Public and Broadcasting,” which is the FCC field manual for the ACORN “activists” and lawyers to intimidate your local community boards into harassing your local radio stations into submission or recommend the revocation of their broadcast license. Given the reported $4.2 billion allocated for ACORN and like groups by the so-called stimulus bill signed into law by Obama yesterday, all that is left to fulfill this scenario is the confirmation of Obama’s new FCC chairman, nominee Julius Genachowski. After he’s confirmed, the full frontal assault on our First Amendment rights will begin quickly.

666 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:56pm

re: #655 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He closed Gitmo.

Not yet. Not yet. We will see. Maybe. Come what come may. Somewhere over the rainbow. In a universe far far away.

667 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:19:56pm

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Can we stop worrying about the Fairness Doctrine now?
White House: Obama Opposes 'Fairness Doctrine' Revival

Fairness Doctrine, perhaps. Localism? The more evil little brother to the Fairness Doctrine, we shall see...

668 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:20:26pm

re: #635 jcm

Despite occasional denials from Democrats that the Fairness Doctrine will be revived, a number of Democrats have stated recently that the Doctrine should be reinstituted. The speculation is that the Fairness Doctrine, per se, won't be revived. Rather, a series of regulatory changes would accomplish the same thing. The concern is that a Democrat-dominated agency insulated by a Democrat majority in congress could effect such a result.

Talk about cowardly. The Democrats don't have the balls to institute the Fairness Doctrine directly. They'll do it through innocuous local regulations. It's their trademark. And this fuck Holder has the nerve to call us cowardly.........
Fuck.

669 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:21:10pm

re: #664 Ojoe

Uhh, that would be the "under the bus" party now.

670 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:21:33pm
671 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:21:38pm

re: #623 scottishbuzzsaw

Why am I hearing "Blue Moon?"

LOL

672 WindHorse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:22:01pm

I don't know if anyone else has said it, but.... Eric Holder - you ONE jive turkey.

673 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:22:03pm

re: #525 MandyManners

What about the Nation of Islam?

Them and Reverend Wright too.

674 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:22:36pm

re: #651 Nevergiveup

And of course when they depicted Condi with big chimp lips, that was alright wasn't it?

Or Colin Powell to a gorilla...

No class at all them libs.

675 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:22:36pm

re: #669 Afrocity

Lefties here are shocked when I say MLK was "R".

All "Rs" are evil.

/

I am so tired

676 Lynn B.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:22:40pm

FEH !

677 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:22:59pm

re: #668 LGoPs

Talk about cowardly. The Democrats don't have the balls to institute the Fairness Doctrine directly. They'll do it through innocuous local regulations. It's their trademark. And this fuck Holder has the nerve to call us cowardly.........
Fuck.

Porkzilla calls broadband infrastructure "critical" that opens the door wide for regulation on the use of the "critical" infrastructure.

Fairness Doctrine on the Internet.

It doesn't say it, no (D) will admit it. But that's in there.

678 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:23:04pm

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK NASCAR DRIVERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

679 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:23:12pm

BBL

680 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:23:13pm

OT
I heard a news snippet on the radio last night about Obama ordering 17,000 US troops to Afghanistan. He said that he was studying the tactics of how best to employ them..........and all I could think was "You are a fucking community organizer.........you unqualified asshole"

681 NYCHardhat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:23:40pm

re: #675 Ojoe

Lefties here are shocked when I say MLK was "R".

All "Rs" are evil.

/

I am so tired

Me too. Back to back 16's are making me hallucinate.

682 Ziggy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:24:09pm

re: #495 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

To the Attorney General of Cowards....Don't fuck with Texas [...]


Thanks NRO...you've made my day.

when the shit hits the fan, I'm moving to Texas.

683 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:24:16pm

re: #665 jcm

ACORN Pushes Return of Fairness Doctrine

Fairness doctrine will now be called "Localism".
Here we go.

684 Lee Coller  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:24:16pm

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Can we stop worrying about the Fairness Doctrine now?
White House: Obama Opposes 'Fairness Doctrine' Revival

They care more about silencing talk radio rather than fairness. They'll tax it out of existence (tax the format so it can't make money, since liberal talk radio can't make money anyway it won't hurt it).

685 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:24:25pm

re: #635 jcm

I, too, am wondering about slipping it past us via the regulatory process.

686 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:24:36pm

re: #564 gmsc

I'm in the midst of listening to my unabridged audio book of Atlas Shrugged. I just finished chapter 5, where the San Sebastian Mines have ben nationalized, and Dagny asks Francisco why he invested in worthless mines.

I love how Francisco is startled when Dangy asks about the 5th concerto.

The book stands as a great mystery novel as well as an explanation of what is happening.

687 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:24:43pm
688 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:25:15pm

re: #678 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK NASCAR DRIVERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

*spew* LOL!

689 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:25:18pm

re: #682 Ziggy

when the shit hits the fan, I'm moving to Texas.

When SHTF, we Texans might just close the border; better get here now.

690 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:25:25pm

re: #680 LGoPs

OT
I heard a news snippet on the radio last night about Obama ordering 17,000 US troops to Afghanistan. He said that he was studying the tactics of how best to employ them..........and all I could think was "You are a fucking community organizer.........you unqualified asshole"

I hope he isn't studying that great military Manuel " How to run a war" By LBJ.

691 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:25:38pm

Anbd what's crazy is compared to Asia, Africa, Europe, Eastern Europe, South America, every Muslim country on Earth, the US is the LEAST racist by far.

Try being Black in Egypt. Or in Korea. Etc etc etc.

If the US was the KKK Karnival Holder would let the world believe, NO ONE would come here.

692 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:25:52pm

re: #637 Last Mohican

From what I can tell Spike is an anti-tank weapon....

Tandem (double) warhead: The tandem double warhead allows for increased penetration, especially against reactive armor, and enables the second warhead to penetrate the target.


It's an armour piercing round. Whatever hit the roof left a small 1-2 inch deep impression a Spike would have gone through the roof and detonated inside.

693 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:26:06pm
694 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:26:24pm

re: #685 MandyManners

I, too, am wondering about slipping it past us via the regulatory process.

It's like this 'stimulus' was just a test...they are already talking Porkulus II.

695 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:26:30pm

re: #683 FrogMarch

Fairness doctrine will now be called "Localism".
Here we go.

Aimed square at Rush, Hannity, Levin the national talk shows.

696 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:27:08pm

re: #686 debutaunt

The book stands as a great mystery novel as well as an explanation of what is happening.

I have 200 pages left...I don't want to finish it. Too good.

697 Gang of One  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:27:23pm

I actually think Holder knows he's talking out of his ass -- he's playing to the over-educated, elitist, white liberals who suffer form too much Caucasian Guilt. Those are the fucktards who put this empty-suit Gramscian Whore into office because they could not stand to think of themselves as anything but cowards and evil, person of non-color. This is the One's and the Administration's version of the Two Minute Hate.

698 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:28:23pm

re: #628 Killgore Trout

Speaking of race relations.....
New York Post Chimp Cartoon Compares Stimulus Author To Dead Primate

Racist?

George W. Bush was the author of the Porkulus? Who knew?

699 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:28:36pm

re: #678 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK NASCAR DRIVERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Ask and Ye shall receive

700 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:29:01pm

America's Cowardice [Jonah Goldberg]

I haven't read the whole speech, just some press reports but I find Eric Holder's comments on race both hackneyed and reprehensible. He says that America is “essentially a nation of cowards” because it doesn't talk about race enough.

First, I think this is nonsense as we talk about race a great, great, great deal in this country. Endless courses in colleges and universities, chapters in high school textbooks, movies, documentaries, after-school-specials and so on are devoted to discussing race. We even have something called "Black History Month" — the occasion for Holder's remarks to begin with — when America is supposed to spend a month talking about the black experience.

Second, to the extent we don't talk about race in this country the primary reason is that liberals and racial activists have an annoying habit of attacking anyone who doesn't read from a liberal script "racists" or, if they're lucky, "insensitive."

Thus "cowardice" is defined as refusal to do as your told when that would in fact be the cowardly thing to do.

701 gonecamping  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:29:12pm

I guess under the 'new rules' my dearly departed grandad would be racisit for having a black lab mut mix called "Blackie"

re: #71 Golem Akbar

I sense the new AG will soon be starting a new campaign that will make our PC last few years as nothing. It'll be a new racial jihad. We'll be looking under our beds for racists, and turning in our neighbors.

702 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:29:26pm

re: #678 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK NASCAR DRIVERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

hanging out with the white rap superstars

703 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:29:38pm

re: #665 jcm

ACORN Pushes Return of Fairness Doctrine

ACORN’s own website proudly displays their intent:

II. Make the mainstream media accessible and accountable to low- and moderate-income people.

A. Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine in broadcasting, so that grass roots community groups have equal time to express their views.
B. Require cable TV companies to make good on their promises to allow community groups access to air time, or revoke their operating licenses.

Membership on the local board is a key to the ACORN’s plan: activists on state and local boards can give their national agenda support that can’t be obtained elsewhere. “Diversity” and “underserved communities” are their mantra. The plan is for the boards to control the content of stations with their ability to make licensing renewal recommendations to the FCC. We all know how intolerant the left is of any ideas other than their own -- just look how any conservative speaker is treated by the left when they speak at any college campus around the country today.

I asked House minority leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) about this open secret called “localism” yesterday. He told me, “‘Localism is quickly becoming code for the efforts of liberals to limit free speech and dissent. The American people do not believe the federal government should be in the business of dictating or restricting what’s on the public airwaves, and Republicans will fight any and every effort to stifle free speech.”

SNIP

Localism AND diversity.

704 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:29:40pm

re: #38 yma o hyd

Current radio public service announcement (abridged):

child: mom, you sure work with a lot of different people: hispanics, native americans, .......
mom: yes dear and thats a good thing because they all add a different perspective
Child: but if they add a different perspective, how come our neigbors all look like us.
mom: you're right dear, our neighbors should be a rainbow of people.
announcer: you should do something to make sure your neighborhood has lots of different people instead of just you white folks.

I want to scream "because people who look like us bought houses around us, would you prefer to live on the south side? dad and I have worked our butts off to make sure you have a nice home, we didnt do a 'poll' of inhabitants when we bought the house"

705 Rancher  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:29:53pm

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Can we stop worrying about the Fairness Doctrine now?
White House: Obama Opposes 'Fairness Doctrine' Revival


That's a preemptive reaction to a Wall Street Journal op-ed from Rush that comes out tomorrow. What Obama says today is gone tomorrow.

706 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:30:10pm

re: #691 Ben Hur

Anbd what's crazy is compared to Asia, Africa, Europe, Eastern Europe, South America, every Muslim country on Earth, the US is the LEAST racist by far.

Try being Black in Egypt. Or in Korea. Etc etc etc.

If the US was the KKK Karnival Holder would let the world believe, NO ONE would come here.

Philippines falls under your 'Asia'. These people, though super nice, base so much on skin color and 'class'. They had an entire radio program making fun of their 'maids / domestic help' from the province the other day. Men here take pride in how 'white' their girl friend is. Very lame stuff.

707 gonecamping  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:30:14pm

re: #701 gonecamping

I guess under the 'new rules' my dearly departed grandad would be racisitracist for having a black lab mut mix called "Blackie"

oops pimf

708 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:30:31pm
Holder said average Americans "simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

Interesting. Perhaps because of some of the people I know and places I hang out, I have been drawn into many conversations about race. Most of these conversations can be summarized as "somebody done somebody wrong."

709 deWildcats  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:30:32pm

re: #25 thefallingman

Agreed - my family members died to stop slavery - and for some odd reason I'm still blamed on starting it

710 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:30:52pm

re: #694 Oh no...Sand People!

It's like this 'stimulus' was just a test...they are already talking Porkulus II.

I'm talking about the revival of the Fairness Doctrine.

711 TheAntichrist  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:30:53pm

I'd comment in this thread, but I'm too afraid, being an American and all.

712 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:31:13pm

re: #703 MandyManners

Localism AND diversity.

Newspeak. Profitable talk radio is ungoodthink.

713 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:31:20pm

re: #699 SasquatchOnSteroids

Ask and Ye shall receive

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOWLERS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

714 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:31:46pm

re: #711 TheAntichrist

I'd comment in this thread, but I'm too afraid, being an American and all.

RACIST COWARD!

/Holder

715 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:31:49pm

re: #629 lawhawk

Well, upon further review, I do believe that Holder is right. We are a nation of cowards. We chose Obama over a more qualified candidate with more experience because of the fear of not doing so. We are cowards not to have confronted that possibility. /heavy on the sarc

I don't think you are far off the mark. This was a theory as to why he won the Iowa caucuses--it was an open election and no one wanted to be tarred as a racist if the did not vote for him. The Dems dared the electorate to vote for him.

716 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:32:03pm

re: #507 Haverwilde

I grew up in a University town. Most 'minorities' in town were on student visas from around the world. So I observed, and learned.
In third grade Sunday School at the Baptist church we had a new teacher. He was black. I sat with him in church that day. At the end of the service I innocently asked him "What country are you from?" He answered very seriously, "I am from a strange country, a long way from here. It is called South Carolina."

Heh. I once had an Asian co-worker. I asked what country he was from. He said, "from the South." I asked, "South Korea or South Vietnam?"

He said, "South Carolina!"

717 gonecamping  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:32:17pm

re: #705 Rancher

That's a preemptive reaction to a Wall Street Journal op-ed from Rush that comes out tomorrow. What Obama says today is gone tomorrow.


The great Nobama has a tongue hinged in the middle to flap both ways.

718 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:32:33pm

re: #713 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOWLERS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

And the black swimmers?//

719 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:32:34pm

re: #637 Last Mohican

Mortar impact

Qassam impact

720 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:32:58pm

re: #678 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK NASCAR DRIVERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


They left Daytona on Monday.

721 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:33:00pm

but there was a black ping pong champ in the US once

Johnnie B. Goode Onifade (spelling?)
from Georgia

722 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:33:04pm

re: #710 MandyManners

I'm talking about the revival of the Fairness Doctrine.

I am talking about the 'Fairness Doctrine' being hidden and reworded to be something else in the 286,576 page Porkulus II. Didn't clarify my point very well, sorry.

723 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:33:32pm

re: #711 TheAntichrist

I'd comment in this thread, but I'm too afraid, being an American and all.

Embrace your cowardliness. It's the first step to recovery.

724 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:33:44pm

re: #713 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOWLERS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I see a real shortage of positive Black role models in women's curling currently and that just cannot be allowed to stand

725 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:34:25pm

re: #713 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOWLERS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

There's a joke in there about bowling shoes, pants, and shirts.

726 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:34:37pm

re: #716 Alouette

Heh. I once had an Asian co-worker. I asked what country he was from. He said, "from the South." I asked, "South Korea or South Vietnam?"

He said, "South Carolina!"

Being from the south, there are many of us who still feel we grew up in a conquered and occupied country.

727 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:34:56pm

re: #722 Oh no...Sand People!

I am talking about the 'Fairness Doctrine' being hidden and reworded to be something else in the 286,576 page Porkulus II. Didn't clarify my point very well, sorry.

Has ANYONE in Congress or elsewhere had a chance to finally read the whole thing?

728 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:35:08pm

re: #713 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOWLERS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

silly !

Odd-Job wore one in the James Bond movie
Goldfinger

729 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:35:18pm

WHERE ARE ALL THE BLACK BOBSLEDDERS?....


730 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:35:21pm

re: #702 Adrenalyn

hanging out with the white rap superstars

I dont like wiggers. Sorry. I am on a dating site and they always message me wanting to date a "sistuh". If I accept the date they are upset that I am not a home girl who wants to get "my freak on". I went out with one who got one of his dreads caught in my umbrella when it was raining.

731 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:35:22pm

First Female Dictator Hailed As Step Forward For Women

732 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:35:25pm

I'm going to start putting "other" and writing Homo sapiens sapiens in the spot next to it when asked about race from now on. I'm really, really getting sick of this. The most egalitarian country that has ever existed and we still hear this crap constantly. It's 2009, not 1809.

733 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:35:25pm

re: #695 jcm

Aimed square at Rush, Hannity, Levin the national talk shows.

It seems to me they want to target local shows across the US. Some of Denver's local conservative personalities are, in my opinion, far superior to Rush and Hannity.
I think the left realize that targeting the smaller local formats will get them in the door, after which they can start eating away at the big boys. (Rush, Hannity et al)
The left are bascially Chinese communist wanna-be's.
If they can just find a way to make sure we do not have access to anything but the agenda driven pro-democrat voice.

734 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:35:47pm

re: #713 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOWLERS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


I think they are in Vegas this weekend.

735 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:36:07pm

re: #730 Afrocity

I dont like wiggers. Sorry. I am on a dating site and they always message me wanting to date a "sistuh". If I accept the date they are upset that I am not a home girl who wants to get "my freak on". I went out with one who got one of his dreads caught in my umbrella when it was raining.

ROFLMAO!

736 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:36:08pm

re: #724 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I see a real shortage of positive Black role models in women's curling currently and that just cannot be allowed to stand

I assume you mean that inane game with brooms and rocks with handles--not hairstyling.

737 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:36:16pm

re: #692 Killgore Trout

From what I can tell Spike is an anti-tank weapon....


It's an armour piercing round. Whatever hit the roof left a small 1-2 inch deep impression a Spike would have gone through the roof and detonated inside.

Well that's interesting. Do you suppose there could be an anti-personnel version of the Spike that produces shrapnel instead of penetrating hard surfaces? I wish I could understand what all the Norwegians on the tape are talking about. But if such a thing exists, I suppose we ought to be able to find it by looking around on the internet.

738 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:36:28pm

re: #718 calcajun

And the black swimmers?//

Winning gold medals on the Olympic relay team.

739 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:36:45pm

re: #728 Adrenalyn

silly !

Odd-Job wore one in the James Bond movie
Goldfinger

That was a Homberg, my chapeau-challenged friend.

740 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:36:50pm

G-D I hate this administration. What a bunch of hypocrites.

741 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:36:51pm

re: #729 albusteve

WHERE ARE ALL THE BLACK BOBSLEDDERS?....

From Jamaica, mon!

/For a place without snow, they did right well.

742 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:37:32pm

re: #718 calcajun

And the black swimmers?//

We have a black swimmer..You had betta recognize ;-)

Black Swimmer

743 Mike in Georgia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:37:38pm

www.legendsofnascar.com...]>A much example better of black driver in NASCAR/a>
He was a really nice guy.

744 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:37:40pm

re: #738 Ben Hur

Winning gold medals on the Olympic relay team.

I remember that now. But what about badminton, huh?

745 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:04pm

re: #739 calcajun

That was a Homberg, my chapeau-challenged friend.

holy freaking she-it !

someone knows more than me
about haberdashery

/bows and sweeps in an appropriate fashion

746 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:10pm

re: #719 Killgore Trout

Mortar impact

Qassam impact

The roof damage is more consistent with an errant Qassam.

The shrapnel the doctor is examining. What's the provenance of the it?
There lots of Israeli ordinance that was expended in Gaza. Pretty easy to get some real Israeli shrapnel and claim it was recovered at the scene.

747 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:13pm

re: #545 jcm

I have done business with them. Good prices and they ship fast.

748 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:20pm

re: #716 Alouette

Heh. I once had an Asian co-worker. I asked what country he was from. He said, "from the South." I asked, "South Korea or South Vietnam?"

He said, "South Carolina!"

That's like a Hispanic co-worker I had. He was asked where he came from - was it Guatemala? His answer was "Lowell [MA]"

749 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:37pm

This person is one of the reasons we will never get past race:

750 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:44pm

3rd Earthquake In As Many Weeks Rattles New Jersey
2.3 Magnitude 'Quake Shakes North-Central Jersey

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

If I gotta get outa "dodge" fast anyone got a spare bed for me? Will work for meals?

751 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:46pm

re: #736 calcajun

I assume you mean that inane game with brooms and rocks with handles--not hairstyling.

They got a song about it even:

752 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:54pm

One can only hope Mr. Holder devotes at least as much time to enforcing the law as he does scolding his fellow citizens.

753 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:38:57pm

re: #741 Honorary Yooper

From Jamaica, mon!

/For a place without snow, they did right well.

just a tremendous story...course visiting for 35 yrs and being a landowner makes me partial...cool runnings!....get some!

754 SixDegrees  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:39:02pm

What a sneering, arrogant ass.

Holder, of all people, has nothing useful to say about race in the United States. His parents immigrated here from Barbados in the 1950s; Holder himself entered private school at the age of 10, then went on to Columbia, silver spoon still firmly in place. The son of a well-to-do real estate broker, he has about as much idea of racial struggle and injustice as any upper-middle-class suburbanite would - which is to say: none.

He also has no idea what constitutes either cowardice or bravery, never having had to confront, fight, demonstrate or participate in either. He certainly has no standing to accuse anyone, at all, of cowardice; I doubt he would understand such a concept even if an example walked up and bit him in broad daylight.

I happily offer a large bucket of sand. Mr. Holder can bend over and start pounding it where it belongs.

755 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:39:18pm

re: #743 Mike in Georgia

A much example better of black driver in NASCAR/a>
He was a really nice guy.

He looks like John C. Reilly from "Talledega Nights"--nothing like Richard Pryor in "Greased Lightening".

756 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:39:22pm

re: #743 Mike in Georgia

A much example better of black driver in NASCAR/a>
He was a really nice guy.

He needs a cool name like Dick Trickle.

757 Haverwilde  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:39:29pm

re: #555 Sharmuta

I'm a feminist. Just another hijacked ideal, but I'm taking it back, damnit.

Speaking of Hijacked ideals/labels. I am a Liberal damn it:


During the nineteenth century the principles of individual liberty, constitutionally limited government, peace, and reliance on the institutions of civil society and the free market for social order and economic prosperity were fused together into a powerful synthesis, known as liberalism."
Cato Institute Module 10.
758 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:39:33pm

re: #727 MandyManners

Has ANYONE in Congress or elsewhere had a chance to finally read the whole thing?

I don't think so, and I completely doubt it.

759 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:39:36pm

re: #730 Afrocity

I dont like wiggers. Sorry. I am on a dating site and they always message me wanting to date a "sistuh". If I accept the date they are upset that I am not a home girl who wants to get "my freak on". I went out with one who got one of his dreads caught in my umbrella when it was raining.

Ras Trent

A Rastafarian melody for the Quad.

760 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:39:55pm

re: #756 capitalist piglet

He needs a cool name like Dick Trickle.

air ball!

761 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:40:05pm

re: #747 Bubblehead II

I have done business with them. Good prices and they ship fast.

All the local shops were out. They had stock, and it was exactly as advertised.

762 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:40:42pm

re: #752 MrPaulRevere

One can only hope Mr. Holder devotes at least as much time to enforcing the law as he does scolding his fellow citizens.

Well I am sure he is already working a "Pardon" list for his master?

763 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #713 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOWLERS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

See Godfrey.

764 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:41:03pm
765 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:41:44pm

re: #719 Killgore Trout

Spike missile launch, impact and detonation

766 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:41:45pm

re: #763 debutaunt

See Godfrey.

Black Bowler.
;-P

767 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:41:46pm

re: #727 MandyManners

Has ANYONE in Congress or elsewhere had a chance to finally read the whole thing?

It's been online for a few days.


`link

768 Mike in Georgia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:41:49pm

re: #755 calcajun

Greased Lightning was a joke. I knew Wendell, salt of the earth.

769 essayons7  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:42:08pm

I just sent an email to the office of the AG. I don't expect anything to change, but at least I feel better.....

770 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:42:57pm

re: #760 albusteve

air ball!

What?! [piglet looks around, incredulously.] Who could forget a name like that? (I grew up in Wisconsin; my dad used to do the lettering on his cars when I was a little girl.)

771 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:42:59pm

re: #730 Afrocity

I dont like wiggers. Sorry. I am on a dating site and they always message me wanting to date a "sistuh". If I accept the date they are upset that I am not a home girl who wants to get "my freak on". I went out with one who got one of his dreads caught in my umbrella when it was raining.

hahahahahahahhahahahaaaa

772 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:43:01pm
773 XENONIAN  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:43:18pm

Help Me here

Did he go to the most Rev Wrights church too?

What a bunch of racist pigs - and they are sitting in the highest office in the land

===> BEWARE the new BULLY PULPIT

Coming to a Neighborhood Watch group near you

(its at times like these I am glad to have moved from NYC to a rural area - no local commissars here - - yet)

774 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:43:27pm

re: #769 essayons7

I just sent an email to the office of the AG. I don't expect anything to change, but at least I feel better.....

Ya you'll feel better until that knock on your door?

775 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:43:38pm

We all have a responsibility to the country we call home
(as Barack Obama says)


"America is the greatest country on earth -- but it didn't just happen on its own."

776 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:43:39pm

re: #759 Ben Hur

That was funny

777 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:44:08pm
778 jjmckay1216  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:44:12pm

re: #733 FrogMarch

It seems to me they want to target local shows across the US. Some of Denver's local conservative personalities are, in my opinion, far superior to Rush and Hannity.
I think the left realize that targeting the smaller local formats will get them in the door, after which they can start eating away at the big boys. (Rush, Hannity et al)
The left are bascially Chinese communist wanna-be's.
If they can just find a way to make sure we do not have access to anything but the agenda driven pro-democrat voice.

who? Rosen? the ride home? JJ Mckay?

779 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:44:25pm

re: #750 Nevergiveup

3rd Earthquake In As Many Weeks Rattles New Jersey
2.3 Magnitude 'Quake Shakes North-Central Jersey

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

If I gotta get outa "dodge" fast anyone got a spare bed for me? Will work for meals?

Because of a 2.3? Are you serious?

I guess my fear of hurricanes and tornadoes is just as amusing to people in the Gulf Coast and Midwest as this is to a Californian.

780 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:44:50pm

re: #772 buzzsawmonkey

Everybody's wearing black bowlers these days. The fedora and the Homburg are out.

I'm still wearing by black velvet sombrero with the golden piping and dingleballs, that never goes out of style

781 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:45:19pm

re: #737 Last Mohican

As far as I can tell there's not an anti-personnel version. The spike does leave a nice neat little hole but it leaves a hole not a dent like shown on the roof. I'm sure the Israelis have small anti-personnel missiles because they use them to hit cars full of militants.

782 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:45:22pm
783 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:45:45pm

re: #750 Nevergiveup

3rd Earthquake In As Many Weeks Rattles New Jersey
2.3 Magnitude 'Quake Shakes North-Central Jersey

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

If I gotta get outa "dodge" fast anyone got a spare bed for me? Will work for meals?

2.3? Did anyone actually feel that?

784 Haverwilde  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:46:11pm

re: #710 MandyManners

I'm talking about the revival of the Fairness Doctrine.

Perhaps it is time to start preparing for the 'Fairness Doctrine.' There must be an attorney who frequents this site who can begin to prepare a lawsuit against NPR. It is time public radio had a conservative voice during at least 1/3 of its programming.

785 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:46:18pm

re: #779 ArchangelMichael

Because of a 2.3? Are you serious?

I guess my fear of hurricanes and tornadoes is just as amusing to people in the Gulf Coast and Midwest as this is to a Californian.

We had friends move out to WA from Kansas, they were visiting when a small earthquake hit. Afterwards she shrieked, "I don't like earthquakes, with tornadoes THEY WARN YOU!"

786 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:46:28pm

re: #779 ArchangelMichael

Because of a 2.3? Are you serious?

I guess my fear of hurricanes and tornadoes is just as amusing to people in the Gulf Coast and Midwest as this is to a Californian.

People even notice a 2.3?

I grew up in CA and spent 6 years in NC. Given the choice between hurricanes or quakes, I'll take quakes.

787 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:46:44pm
788 jaunte  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:46:46pm

Here's a bit of history for Eric Holder to read:

The debate about transracial adoption changed course in 1972, when the National Association of Black Social Workers issued a statement that took “a vehement stand against the placements of black children in white homes for any reason,” calling transracial adoption “unnatural,” “artificial,” “unnecessary,” and proof that African-Americans continued to be assigned to “chattel status.” The organization was so committed to the position that black children’s healthy development depended on having black parents that its President, Cenie J. Williams, argued that temporary foster and even institutional placements were preferable to adoption by white families. This opposition slowed black-white adoptions to a trickle. In 1973, the Child Welfare League of America adoption standards, which had been revised in 1968 to make them slightly friendlier to transracial adoption, were rewritten to clarify that same-race placements were always better. The child welfare establishment never supported transracial adoptions.


[Link: darkwing.uoregon.edu...]

789 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:46:47pm

re: #780 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm still wearing by black velvet sombrero with the golden piping and dingleballs, that never goes out of style

one adorns the my TV set...atop the boxes to make it work and play dvd's...OLE!

790 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:47:52pm

re: #785 jcm

We had friends move out to WA from Kansas, they were visiting when a small earthquake hit. Afterwards she shrieked, "I don't like earthquakes, with tornadoes THEY WARN YOU!"

Its always fun to watch TV after a quake. All the locals are getting stuff back in order, so they find a tourist in hysterics to interview.

791 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:47:57pm

re: #783 CyanSnowHawk

2.3? Did anyone actually feel that?

Any old excuse to bug out of NJ.

792 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:48:07pm

re: #730 Afrocity

I dont like wiggers. Sorry. I am on a dating site and they always message me wanting to date a "sistuh". If I accept the date they are upset that I am not a home girl who wants to get "my freak on". I went out with one who got one of his dreads caught in my umbrella when it was raining.

Oh, that's funny. Were you able to keep from laughing?

793 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:48:17pm

re: #791 debutaunt

Any old excuse to bug out of NJ.

You got that right!

794 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:48:34pm

re: #746 jcm

Also in the new video there a shot of the roof and what appears to be a small pipe fitting. If it is a remnant of the missile it looked homemade to me. Whatever hit the roof did not completely disintegrate. They have the tail section of a mortar of missile. they just aren't showing it.

795 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:48:41pm

re: #776 Afrocity

That was funny

The best bit is when he walks by the real rastas.

796 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:49:03pm

re: #730 Afrocity

I dont like wiggers. Sorry. I am on a dating site and they always message me wanting to date a "sistuh". If I accept the date they are upset that I am not a home girl who wants to get "my freak on". I went out with one who got one of his dreads caught in my umbrella when it was raining.

That is so funny. It's pretty racist, too -- I mean the guys who have certain expectations about you solely because you're black. The dreadlocks are just ridiculous.

797 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:49:18pm

re: #784 Haverwilde

Perhaps it is time to start preparing for the 'Fairness Doctrine.' There must be an attorney who frequents this site who can begin to prepare a lawsuit against NPR. It is time public radio had a conservative voice during at least 1/3 of its programming.

Nope. The FD is WRONG no matter whose ox is getting gored.

798 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:49:34pm

re: #783 CyanSnowHawk

I didn't, and I'm up in Bergen County. Some folks reported hearing a few bangs from one of the quakes, but it's just about the range where only few people can feel it.

799 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:49:40pm

re: #780 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm still wearing by black velvet sombrero with the golden piping and dingleballs, that never goes out of style

You have photo of that, this I just have to see...:)

800 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:50:08pm

re: #713 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK BOWLERS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Sorry, I got sidetracked.

Last one I saw hit an astounding 37.
So you have me on that one.

801 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:50:13pm

I love art museums. I just got an email from the Whitney Museum of American Art in New York City:

Had it with the doom-and-gloom of the recession? We hear you. That's why we're rewarding our email subscribers with $5 admission to the Whitney from February 18 - March 8, 2009!

To redeem the offer, simply print this email and present it at the admissions desk in the lobby. Only one $5 ticket per email subscriber. No retroactive discount

Wow how generous of them.

802 XENONIAN  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:50:22pm

ONE MORE THING

I AM GETTING SICK & TIRED

of our "so called" LEADERS

CALLING US NAMES......

Now I am a COWARD

BEFORE

I was just a typical WHITE PERSON CLINGING TO MY GUNS AND RELIGION WITH ANTIPATHY TOWARDS OTHERS......

and this after they tossed me in open light of day
and are gonna take my money

because someone else wants what I worked hard to have?

803 leww37334  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:50:55pm

Eric Holder, what a cowardly statement in itself.

But you can bet you won't see it on ABC/CBS/NBC they still won't address the Buffalo beheading.

804 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:51:20pm

re: #799 Dustyvet

You have photo of that, this I just have to see...:)

Image: sombre_blue_deluxe.jpg

805 jjmckay1216  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:51:26pm

re: #801 Afrocity

so, do u ever get guys who like u cuz u r u?

806 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:51:52pm

re: #799 Dustyvet

You have photo of that, this I just have to see...:)

807 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:51:56pm

re: #786 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I slept through the Northridge quake. Was mid-somethingwithmygirlfriend during the Yucca Valley quake.

I'll take earthquakes over hurricanes and tornadoes please. A really bad one happens once or twice a century. How many hurricanes or tornadoes cause as much damage, every year?

808 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:51:57pm

re: #803 leww37334

Actually the link above is to MSNBC

809 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:52:03pm

re: #796 doppelganglander

That is so funny. It's pretty racist, too -- I mean the guys who have certain expectations about you solely because you're black. The dreadlocks are just ridiculous.

Jamaican doctor at the hospital a few months back had dreds...a 5" diameter tail that went all the way to his waist....very cool hair

810 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:52:06pm

re: #796 doppelganglander

And it does not take a whole lot to realize that they are DEMS.

811 leww37334  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:52:12pm

These people are doing their best to bring back racism with statements like this.

812 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:52:13pm

re: #804 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Link: www.elpasorugs.com...]

813 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:52:19pm

re: #761 jcm

The local stores didn't carry what I purchased. Hell I don't even know if it is even legal to own in Idaho.

9rds - 12 Gauge Flechette Ammo

9rds - 12 Gauge Double Slug Terminator Ammo

I also noticed that they no longer sell the 12 Gauge AP rounds of which I also purchased 9 of or the bulk Flechettes.

814 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:52:37pm

I have to wonder, being the cynic that I am, if Holder's comments are a precursor to the discussion of reparations (for black Americans).

815 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:52:38pm

re: #805 jjmckay1216

yes my dad.

816 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:52:44pm

re: #802 XENONIAN

ONE MORE THING

I AM GETTING SICK & TIRED

of our "so called" LEADERS

CALLING US NAMES......

Now I am a COWARD

BEFORE

I was just a typical WHITE PERSON CLINGING TO MY GUNS AND RELIGION WITH ANTIPATHY TOWARDS OTHERS......

and this after they tossed me in open light of day
and are gonna take my money

because someone else wants what I worked hard to have?

Embrace the names, own them.

Bitter Clingy Greedy Honco Cowards!

////

I know what you mean.

817 redheadredstate  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:53:16pm

Thats the pot calling the kettle black African-American

818 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:53:18pm
819 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:53:34pm

re: #814 eclectic infidel

I have to wonder, being the cynic that I am, if Holder's comments are a precursor to the discussion of reparations (for black Americans).

That is coming soon. Count on it.

820 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:53:38pm

re: #815 Afrocity

yes my dad.

As a dad of 2 girls, I had to upding you for that.

821 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:54:02pm

re: #813 Bubblehead II

The local stores didn't carry what I purchased. Hell I don't even know if it is even legal to own in Idaho.

9rds - 12 Gauge Flechette Ammo

9rds - 12 Gauge Double Slug Terminator Ammo

I also noticed that they no longer sell the 12 Gauge AP rounds of which I also purchased 9 of or the bulk Flechettes.

Cool!

I was just looking for 7.62 NATO in bulk, could find more than a box or two around here.

822 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:54:02pm

re: #730 Afrocity

I had to laugh at that. My boss at my college TV station (in the early '80's) was a very opinionated back guy; an English major and lover of literature and the English language itself. He was forever correcting me and the other student workers when we lapsed into local NOLA idioms. He was also an unabashed clothes horse-I never once saw him in jeans or a t-shirt--or any shirt that had short sleeves.

One night, we're out drinking and another black guy I did not know slide up to the bar next to him, slapped him on the back and hailed him as his "brother". My boss' eyes narrowed and looked at him and said--in flat unaccented English, "I am NOT your damned 'brother'. It is people like you that make the rest of us look bad. We speak English in this country, dammit. Learn to speak it properly." The other guy just took his drink and skulked away.

I learned at that moment you should not laugh when drinking a martini-- vodka burns when it comes up through your nose.

823 jjmckay1216  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:54:17pm

re: #815 Afrocity

ok, duh! I am talking about dudes who hit on ya

824 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:54:49pm

re: #768 Mike in Georgia

Greased Lightning was a joke. I knew Wendell, salt of the earth.

I've heard the same from other sources.

825 Haverwilde  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:54:54pm

re: #797 MandyManners

Nope. The FD is WRONG no matter whose ox is getting gored.


Of course you are correct Mandy. I slipped into that irrational state of mind brought on by listening of leftist gibberish. (But putting a good scare into that leftist bastion of 'propaganda news'--can't hurt, can it?)

826 brookly red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:55:00pm

re: #815 Afrocity

touche!

827 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:55:10pm

Someone is upset that Obama MAY have been compared with a Xanax-crazed chimp.

It looks like America's APES-AH have come home to ROOST.

/ps it is still OK to say Chimpy McBushitler

828 Code Red 21  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:56:02pm

Why is the first thing that comes to my mind when I read that statement is F' off you sorry POS. I'm sick and tired of being preached to my these "little" people who have no business flapping their gums about the time of day let alone cowardly racist America. Yea we're so racist some of us elected the first black Marxist POTUS.

829 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:57:11pm

re: #821 jcm

Cool!

I was just looking for 7.62 NATO in bulk, could find more than a box or two around here.

Try Sportsman's Guide.

830 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:57:17pm

Boy marries dog to ward off tiger attacks

BHUBANESWAR, India (Reuters) – An infant boy was married off to his neighbors' dog in eastern India by villagers, who said it will stop the groom from being killed by wild animals, officials and witnesses said on Wednesday.

I'll put $500 on the tiger.

831 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:57:28pm

Seriously, thus far, it looks to me as if the Black Students Union, the local MeCHA, and the LGBT center from a local college have taken over Congress and the White House. This is gonna be a long and irritating however long it's going to be. Pretty expensive, too, I daresay.

832 Gus  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:57:34pm

(Side note.) What motivated Holder to speak of course was the particular "awareness month" for February. Since politicians (particularly Democrats and liberals) are obsessed with these "awareness months" here's what we should look forward to for the month of March:

Gender Equality Month
Womens History Month

The latter is sure to include Rachel Carson who through her efforts in banning DDT led to the death and suffering of millions of Africans.

833 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:57:41pm

re: #828 Code Red 21

Why is the first thing that comes to my mind when I read that statement is F' off you sorry POS. I'm sick and tired of being preached to my these "little" people who have no business flapping their gums about the time of day let alone cowardly racist America. Yea we're so racist some of us elected the first black Marxist POTUS.

The racists are those of us that DIDN'T vote for him.

/anything less than 100% for the Messiah is unacceptable

834 Spartacus50  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:57:53pm

It takes a nation of cowards to hold us back

835 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:58:37pm

re: #420 Sharmuta

LOL. Race: "Earthling".

Personally, I use "human".

836 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:58:42pm

re: #833 OldLineTexan

/anything less than 100% for the Messiah is unacceptable

Well, I think that the next election should have results more in line with these expectations.

837 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:58:54pm

re: #835 Empire1

Personally, I use "human".

Sexist.

/

838 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:59:16pm

re: #835 Empire1

Personally, I use "human".

Humanist!

839 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:59:17pm

re: #835 Empire1

I wrote Vulcan on a school form for one of my kids.

840 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:59:44pm

re: #678 Ben Hur

Yes, but WHERE ARE THE BLACK NASCAR DRIVERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

There was Bill Lester... but he didn't do so good.

841 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 12:59:58pm

re: #831 Guanxi88

Seriously, thus far, it looks to me as if the Black Students Union, the local MeCHA, and the LGBT center from a local college have taken over Congress and the White House. This is gonna be a long and irritating however long it's going to be. Pretty expensive, too, I daresay.

The political party of Grievance Theatre of the Unconstrained Mind is running the country. We have a seriously uphill battle.

842 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:00:03pm

re: #792 Spiny Norman

Oh, that's funny. Were you able to keep from laughing?

He was irritating as a date on many levels. He was a vegetarian, which is okay but he was whiny about it and every place we went to he had to question the waiter for 5 minutes before he ordered. Then we went to that Tea place in East Village owned by Moby that techno singer. TeaNY. The guy asks if the tea is vegan and it was a drama... then he was big into anti-war protesting and upset that I did not go. He was also a "feminist" and we had to split the bill. I went out with him 3 times (I was lonely) and on the last date we went for Mexican and the bill was $24 and some change he took out his tip calculator for us to split and I threw down my credit card and said "this is on me".

That was our last date. He also came to a party I had with a bottle of wine and took the leftover bottle back when he left. He said he had another party to go to.

843 Gella  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:00:04pm

re: #839 Ojoe

I wrote Vulcan on a school form for one of my kids.

what do u have against Romulans?
\\

844 Shug  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:00:13pm

He was misquoted. What he really said was we are a nation of Noël Cowards

/

845 The Other Les  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:00:23pm

re: #822 calcajun

Good thing I wasn't drinking something when I read that. It would have counted as a keyboard kill.

846 tyree  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:00:33pm

Speak for yourself, Mr. Holder.

847 Cato  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:00:34pm

OT

To all Jewish Lizardoids, I just got back from this:

[Link: www.sothebys.com...]

There is a great story about the central artifact which is below:

In 1956, the Custodian of the Valmadonna Trust attended
an exhibition at the Victoria and AlbertMuseum
celebrating 300 years of Jewish resettlement
in England. There, he first became aware of Westminster
Abbey’s magnificent complete copy of the
Talmud and spent close to 25 years courting the
Westminster Abbey in an attempt to acquire it.
Eventually, he purchased a 900-year old copy of the
Abbey’s originalCharter (after someone who tried to loot the Abbey failed in getting an export license for its contents)
and presented it, along with
supporting endowments, to the Abbey in exchange
for its copy of the Bomberg Talmud.

848 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:00:58pm

re: #835 Empire1

Personally, I use "human".

I sometimes write "Not professionally"

849 croob  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:01:30pm

Before this worthless America-hating administration gets done they'll have a civil war on their hands.

850 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:01:43pm

re: #788 jaunte

So I guess shuttling kids from one foster home to another until they age out of the foster care system is better for their development than a stable home with people of the "wrong" color? If the real agenda here is to keep social workers employed, it's definitely working.

851 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:02:00pm

re: #822 calcajun

LOL. That was a good story.

852 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:02:02pm

re: #835 Empire1

Personally, I use "human".

Human bean.///

853 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:02:05pm

re: #831 Guanxi88

Seriously, thus far, it looks to me as if the Black Students Union, the local MeCHA, and the LGBT center from a local college have taken over Congress and the White House. This is gonna be a long and irritating however long it's going to be. Pretty expensive, too, I daresay.

The irritating buffoonery doesn't bother me so much as the "expensive" part.

854 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:02:36pm

re: #830 SasquatchOnSteroids

Boy marries dog to ward off tiger attacks

I'll put $500 on the tiger.

Never mind the damn Tiger, I want to read the Pre-Nup contract...:)

855 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:02:57pm

re: #813 Bubblehead II

Rock Salt and Nails

856 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:03:08pm

re: #819 rawmuse

That is coming soon. Count on it.

How do you guys come up with this stuff ? Yes it was a poor choice of a word to describe the self segregation both blacks and whites practice rather then dealing with the elephant in the room and dealing with it. No one is even close to discussing reparations for crying out loud.

857 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:03:25pm

re: #807 ArchangelMichael

I slept through the Northridge quake. Was mid-somethingwithmygirlfriend during the Yucca Valley quake.

Did you take credit?

858 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:03:38pm

re: #822 calcajun

I had to laugh at that. My boss at my college TV station (in the early '80's) was a very opinionated back guy; an English major and lover of literature and the English language itself. He was forever correcting me and the other student workers when we lapsed into local NOLA idioms. He was also an unabashed clothes horse-I never once saw him in jeans or a t-shirt--or any shirt that had short sleeves.

One night, we're out drinking and another black guy I did not know slide up to the bar next to him, slapped him on the back and hailed him as his "brother". My boss' eyes narrowed and looked at him and said--in flat unaccented English, "I am NOT your damned 'brother'. It is people like you that make the rest of us look bad. We speak English in this country, dammit. Learn to speak it properly." The other guy just took his drink and skulked away.

I learned at that moment you should not laugh when drinking a martini-- vodka burns when it comes up through your nose.

You worked for Bill Cosby?

859 jaunte  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:03:49pm

re: #850 doppelganglander

Yes, that's exactly it. Like many bureaucratic employees, their priority is self-perpetuation, not actually doing the designated job.

860 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:04:10pm

re: #844 Shug

He was misquoted. What he really said was we are a nation of Noël Cowards

/

Then we shouldn't be worried about their Design for (our) Living?

861 onslow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:04:59pm

Deceased black wannabe bowler


Twice he applied for an American visa, first to visit Disneyland, and subsequently to enable him to pursue a new career as a professional 10-pin bowler. He was refused on both occasions.

862 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:05:02pm

re: #848 Creeping Eruption

I sometimes write "Not professionally"

I just choose random animals, put in things like "bovine" or "lupine" and such.

863 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:05:36pm

re: #842 Afrocity

He was also a "feminist" and we had to split the bill.

Now why the hell did I never think of that when I found myself on my two or three really disastrous dates. Too well trained to be a gentleman, I guess.

male feminist = cheap bastard

864 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:05:40pm

re: #849 croob

Before this worthless America-hating administration gets done they'll have a civil war on their hands.

Probably not a "civil war", but I'd be willing to bet even the MFMSM will be comparing them to Jimmy Carter's by the time they're through. And not favorably.

865 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:06:36pm

re: #856 avanti

How do you guys come up with this stuff ? Yes it was a poor choice of a word to describe the self segregation both blacks and whites practice rather then dealing with the elephant in the room and dealing with it. No one is even close to discussing reparations for crying out loud.

Obama suggests reparations to blacks, Native Americans

.....Ahhh, actually it was on the litany of Obama's campaign promises.

866 MJBrutus  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:06:38pm

Well let's see. Your man runs a Presidential campaign during which any criticism is instantly deemed "R-A-A_A-A-CIST" to stifle all dissent. You accuse anyone who has any opinion about immigration other than opening the borders as a "R-A-A_A-A-CIST". You call anyone who opposes redefining marriage in a way consistent with your radical post-modern notions and you call them hate-criminals. And now, you find the balls to bitch because people aren't interested in trying to having an honest discussion with you about race or other social issues. Go figure.

867 Outrider  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:06:44pm
Holder maintained that Justice Department employees have a special responsibility to advance racial understanding throughout the country


Wonder where he gets this understanding?

868 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:06:47pm

re: #858 CyanSnowHawk

My friend"Ed" was years ahead of Bill Cosby.

869 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:06:58pm

re: #857 doppelganglander

No it was strong enough for us to realize what was happening, it was a 7.3 after all. Even in San Diego it was knocking pictures off of walls. It did take a bit longer than usual to figure out what was going on though.

870 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:07:23pm

re: #844 Shug

He was misquoted. What he really said was we are a nation of Noël Cowards

/

I'll follow my secret heart
My whole life through
I'll keep all my dreams apart
'Til one comes true.

871 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:07:52pm

re: #856 avanti

How do you guys come up with this stuff ? Yes it was a poor choice of a word to describe the self segregation both blacks and whites practice rather then dealing with the elephant in the room and dealing with it. No one is even close to discussing reparations for crying out loud.

For your information, I have been closely following this particular issue for more than a decade. Kindly do not insult my intelligence.

872 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:08:43pm

re: #849 croob

Before this worthless America-hating administration gets done they'll have a civil war on their hands.

Eh, we've had one going, low-intensity, for some time now.

873 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:08:53pm

re: #856 avanti

How do you guys come up with this stuff ? Yes it was a poor choice of a word to describe the self segregation both blacks and whites practice rather then dealing with the elephant in the room and dealing with it. No one is even close to discussing reparations for crying out loud.

Unlike you, we can read between the lines, extrapolate meanings, and have bullshit detectors that actually work. Similar to you earlier not seeing how the congressional apporval rating went UP right after an election (saying that you approve of the job that someone yopu just voted for is doing !) you making it out to be amazing that it went fro 18 to 31!

I have a suggestion for you. Have help crossing streets, you periphial vision doesn;t seem to function well

874 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:08:57pm

All talk of race leads to racism. By believing that we are of different races, you are a racist. We all came from Africa, therefore we are all the same race.

875 jaunte  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:08:59pm

re: #856 avanti

How do you guys come up with this stuff ? Yes it was a poor choice of a word to describe the self segregation both blacks and whites practice rather then dealing with the elephant in the room and dealing with it. No one is even close to discussing reparations for crying out loud.

Here's the quote:
"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."
[Link: archives.starbulletin.com...]

876 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:09:15pm

Morning/afternoon/Evening Lizards.

If you belong to Face Book go join LGF Group[ The more the better and stronger.

877 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:09:34pm

re: #844 Shug

He was misquoted. What he really said was we are a nation of Noël Cowards

/

Mad dogs and Americans go out in the mid-day sun?

Perhaps we should be Blithe Spirits and go about our Private Lives.

878 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:09:47pm

re: #865 DeafDog

Obama suggests reparations to blacks, Native Americans

.....Ahhh, actually it was on the litany of Obama's campaign promises.

There you go stating facts again. How can Avanti defend this admin if you keep doing that !

879 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:09:58pm

re: #578 Kosh's Shadow

I am sure he will but we won't

880 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:10:18pm

re: #662 Dustyvet

Mounties to the Obamble's rescue?

881 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:10:32pm

re: #856 avanti

How do you guys come up with this stuff ? Yes it was a poor choice of a word to describe the self segregation both blacks and whites practice rather then dealing with the elephant in the room and dealing with it. No one is even close to discussing reparations for crying out loud.

I've lived long enough in the San Francisco Bay Area to be able to read between the lines. Holder called everyone cowards but my guess is that he was really referring to anyone not black. I concluded instantly that reparations would find a way into the discussion because ultimately, historical facts will be unearthed as racism in America is traced back to its roots. Holder should be careful what he wishes for.

882 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:11:21pm

re: #856 avanti

How do you guys come up with this stuff ? Yes it was a poor choice of a word to describe the self segregation both blacks and whites practice rather then dealing with the elephant in the room and dealing with it. No one is even close to discussing reparations for crying out loud.

Axelrod? Is that you?
/

883 Haverwilde  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:11:32pm

re: #874 The_Vig

All talk of race leads to racism. By believing that we are of different races, you are a racist. We all came from Africa, therefore we are all the same race.

Damn, you are correct. So we can all say we are Americans of African ancestory.

884 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:11:48pm

re: #877 calcajun

Mad dogs and Americans go out in the mid-day sun?

Perhaps we should be Blithe Spirits and go about our Private Lives.

In a bar on the Piccolo Marina
Life called to Mrs. Brentwood Wooster
Fate beckoned her and introduced her
Into a rather queer
Unfamiliar atmosphere.

She'd just sit there,
Propping up the bar
Beside a fisherman who played to a guitar
When accused of having gone too far
She merely cried
"Funiculi, just fancy me, Funicula!"

885 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:12:04pm

re: #877 calcajun

Mad dogs and Americans go out in the mid-day sun?

Perhaps we should be Blithe Spirits and go about our Private Lives.

Or Fallen Angels, Waiting in the Wings...

886 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:12:13pm

re: #730 Afrocity ROFLMAO*******

887 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:12:17pm

re: #837 OldLineTexan

Sexist.

/

ROFLMAO! Blame the language. I don't think there's such a word as "huwoman"!

888 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:12:38pm

For avanti to read

HR 40 has come up in every Congress since 1989.

889 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:13:04pm

re: #863 calcajun

Now why the hell did I never think of that when I found myself on my two or three really disastrous dates. Too well trained to be a gentleman, I guess.

male feminist = cheap bastard

In my experience men only label themselves as feminists when they want the woman to go dutch on the check.

890 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:13:06pm

re: #885 scottishbuzzsaw

Or Fallen Angels, Waiting in the Wings...

I went to a marvelous party:

891 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:13:10pm

re: #871 rawmuse

For your information, I have been closely following this particular issue for more than a decade. Kindly do not insult my intelligence.

Then what evidence do you have that it's under more serious consideration recently ?

892 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:13:18pm

Here's a fun paragraph:

Obama said, "The biggest problem that we have in terms of race relations, I think, is dealing with the legacy of past discrimination which has resulted in extreme disparities in terms of poverty, in terms of wealth and in terms of income. Our inner cities are a legacy of what happened in the past. And the question is less assigning blame or rooting out active racism, because that's not the reason that those inner cities are in such bad shape, but rather figuring out are we willing to make the investments to deal with that past history so we can move forward to a brighter future? And that involves investing in early childhood education, fixing the schools in those communities, being willing to work in terms of job retraining. And those are serious investments."

I challenge anyone to read that and think it has nothing to do with Obama's support for the $780B spend bill. The article goes on:

Asked Gaynor, "Is 'serious investments' code for 'reparations'? And how expensive and devastating would Obama's income redistribution policy be?"

I think we have an idea.

The comments were being discussed just as the U.S. House of Representatives issued an apology to black Americans for the "fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality and inhumanity of slavery and Jim Crow" segregation."

The resolution sponsored by Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., a white Jew who earlier this year tried unsuccessfully to join the Congressional Black Caucus, was passed on a voice vote.

Alinsky, is that you?

893 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:13:30pm

re: #883 Haverwilde

Damn, you are correct. So we can all say we are Americans of African ancestory.

...worked for Obama

894 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:13:30pm

re: #867 Outrider

Wonder where he gets this understanding?

A special Magic 8 Ball.

/

895 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:13:44pm

re: #838 Guanxi88

Humanist!

Well, my dogs claim I'm not highly enough evolved to call mysely a canine ...

896 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:13:51pm
897 code red 21  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:13:52pm

re: #833 OldLineTexan

The racists are those of us that DIDN'T vote for him.

/anything less than 100% for the Messiah is unacceptable

Oh yea I forgot that part thanks for reminding me that I'm a racist.

898 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:14:06pm

re: #883 Haverwilde

It's what I put down on all of my gov't documents. Would anyone like to contribute to my legal defense fund for when they catch up with me.

899 invictus1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:14:07pm

re: #740 Nevergiveup

G-D I hate this administration. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Remember the whole controversy over the 'nation of whiners' video during the election?

900 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:14:14pm

re: #889 Afrocity

In my experience, men who have had the most problems dealing with women have been Lefties.

901 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:14:19pm

re: #881 eclectic infidel

I've lived long enough in the San Francisco Bay Area to be able to read between the lines. Holder called everyone cowards but my guess is that he was really referring to anyone not black. I concluded instantly that reparations would find a way into the discussion because ultimately, historical facts will be unearthed as racism in America is traced back to its roots. Holder should be careful what he wishes for.

Taken to it's logical extension, should we then ask for all the African nations to return the billions we have given them in foreign aid since their ancestors actually started, ran, and profited from the slave trade? After all, a lot of European types did the buying (though not exclusively) but only the Africans did the selling.

902 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:14:19pm

The people pushing slavery reparations use the Holocaust reparations as an example.
Let them; there can be slavery reparations on the same basis:
Entities that still exist or clearly can trace their history to slaveowners pay reparations to anyone still alive who was a slave.
After all, Holocaust reparations do not go to descendants; only those who actually suffered through it.
I think this is a valid basis, and if there are any slaves still alive after 144 years, they deserve something.

903 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:14:46pm

re: #842 Afrocity

Oh dear.

I went out with him 3 times (I was lonely)...

I guess I can't blame you for that. I went out with a girl a couple of times a few years ago (well, more than a few, actually) because she was extremely attractive (and had a reputation of being "easy"), but after two dates, I wanted run out in front of traffic 'cause she was such a whiny drama queen. Ugh.

904 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:14:58pm

re: #895 Empire1

Well, my dogs claim I'm not highly enough evolved to call mysely a canine ...

My cats hold a similar opinion of me. They rank me slightly above the rabbit, because I feed them, but still below the window sill, where they sun their corpulent bellies.

905 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:15:15pm

re: #839 Ojoe

I wrote Vulcan on a school form for one of my kids.

Oh, I like it! Did you get away with it? ::grin::

906 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:15:21pm

re: #884 Guanxi88

She was in the bar In Which We Serve.

907 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:15:22pm

re: #887 Empire1

ROFLMAO! Blame the language. I don't think there's such a word as "huwoman"!

I'll wager dollars to donuts that there's a "humyn" spelling out there somewhere.

908 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:15:24pm
909 mich-again  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:15:26pm
Holder said average Americans "simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

If Americans have learned anything about race its that they aren't allowed to talk about race or they will surely piss someone off and get called a racist if their opinions, vocabulary, or take on history is anything less than 100% alligned with the PC police.

So people just clam up and keep their thoughts to themselves. Huge surprise. Eric Holder does not really want a dialogue. He is spouting pure bullshit. Thats the last thing he wants.

910 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:15:27pm

re: #891 avanti

See the first paragraph in my 892.

911 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:15:34pm

re: #844 Shug

He was misquoted. What he really said was we are a nation of Noël Cowards

/

Quote mining! Quote mining!

912 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:15:41pm

re: #890 Guanxi88

I went to a marvelous party:



How frightfully gay!

913 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:15:45pm

A very worthwhile read from Hot Air Headlines....
Conservatism and the Intellectual

The tension existing between conservatism and intellectuals represents of one of the most serious problems faced by conservatism in any era. How can conservatism oppose radicalism — how, in other words, can it oppose the belief that man ought to reorder his society from top to bottom on supposedly rational grounds — without itself becoming merely a “right-wing” version of that same radicalism?

Conservatives may not agree about how best to solve this problem. It takes ideas to win elections. But we ought to agree that it is, in fact, a problem.

914 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:16:03pm

from a news story in Colorado, as posted yesterday:
Tameka commented 2 hours 24 minutes ago
PRESIDENTS DAY! Obama is our president, and it's still Black History month. Get over it WHITE PEOPLE! You lost, just take it in slowly, don't worry, we'll give you a little bit more time to get used to black people taking over! It's been a long time coming, and we on top. We'll give you another year or so, but after that, if you guys are still acting all crazy, then we will have to regulate!

they have since deleted that comment, but there are some other gems still to be found here.

915 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:16:05pm

re: #894 OldLineTexan

A special Magic 8 Ball.

/

For You

916 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:16:06pm

re: #878 sattv4u2

There you go stating facts again. How can Avanti defend this admin if you keep doing that !


This is the Avanti pattern....

1. Avanti says we do understand the brilliance of the Messiah
2. We quote the Messiah's own words back
3. Avanti claims we are mis-interpretting and points to a "Media Matters" matters artical that has some mis-statements from Dick Morris.

Be ready for the Media Matters retort any moment now.

917 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:16:10pm

re: #906 calcajun

She was in the bar In Which We Serve.

A genius that man was! Pure linguistic artistry, and such a wit, too!

918 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:16:24pm

re: #893 Afrocity

...worked for Obama

I would like to have a brother George.

We could talk about rabbits.

I would take $120 and go live with him for a year. Hell, $300 and we'll party our asses off.

/

919 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:16:35pm

No one keen for Face Book?

920 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:04pm

re: #912 scottishbuzzsaw

How frightfully gay!

It was in the fresh air
And we went as were
And we stated as we were,
Which was Hell!

921 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:13pm

re: #915 SasquatchOnSteroids

For You

Appreciated, and saved.

922 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:13pm

re: #919 Erik The Red

This is LGF. It's practically a facebook already.

923 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:15pm

re: #880 winston06

Mounties to the Obamble's rescue?

No...cuffed, stuffed, and deported...:)

924 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:21pm

re: #919 Erik The Red

No one keen for Face Book?

no, not really

925 code red 21  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:33pm

re: #883 Haverwilde

Damn, you are correct. So we can all say we are Americans of African ancestory.

Does that mean I get reparations?

926 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:37pm

re: #900 godfrey

In my experience, men who have had the most problems dealing with women have been Lefties.

I think they're very confused. They might grow out of it, or they might not.

927 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:39pm

re: #912 scottishbuzzsaw

How frightfully gay!

Yeah, that sort of sums up old Noel, huh?

928 Rexatosis  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:41pm

Many of my liberal friends touted how their vote for Obama ended "racism" in America. Mr. Holder's comments should disabuse them of that notion. Of course since they are liberals they will probably find another way to intellectually contort themselves around Holder's statement so they can still hold onto two mutually exclusive positions. I do wonder how the MSM will spin this?

929 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:44pm

re: #844 Shug

He was misquoted. What he really said was we are a nation of Noël Cowards

/

Or maybe he was trying to start a pun thread and calling us cowtards......

930 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:45pm

re: #904 Guanxi88

My cats hold a similar opinion of me. They rank me slightly above the rabbit, because I feed them, but still below the window sill, where they sun their corpulent bellies.

Having had both dogs and cats in my family, I think I've figured out their perspectives:

The dog: He feeds me, gives me shelter, and loves me... he must be a god!

The cat: He feeds me, gives me shelter, and loves me... I must be a god!

931 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:49pm

One Canadian politician has the guts to speak the truth:

Jason Kenny, at a conference on the rise of Anti-Semitism

We in Canada are beginning to experience the same. Of course we’ve always had the old-school anti-Semitism, and it’s still present. The manifestations from the extreme right and their presence on the internet. In my assessment, it’s marginal, small and a shrinking form of anti-Semitism, but one which we can never forget. We do have robust hate crimes laws to deal with those manifestations of anti-Semitism, but we do see the growth of a new anti-Semitism, the anti-Semitism predicated on the notion that the Jews alone have no right to a homeland, the anti-Zionist version of anti-Semitism.

He names the organizations promoting the new anti-Jewish hatred:

our government takes a zero tolerance approach to expressions of anti-Semitism in the public square. There are organisations in Canada, as in Britain, that receive their share of media attention and public notoriety, but who at the same time as expressing hateful sentiments expect to be treated as respectable interlocutors in the public discourse. I think, for example, of the president of an organisation called the Canadian Islamic Congress, Mohamed Elmasry, who notoriously said three years ago on live television that all Israelis over the age of 18 can legitimately be killed. They are combatants, and therefore legitimate targets for elimination.

I think as well of the leader of the Canadian Arab Federation, who notoriously circulated an e-mail when my colleague, our shadow Foreign Minister, Bob Rae, was running for the leadership of his party, calling on people to vote against Mr. Rae because of Arlene Perly Rae’s involvement in Canada’s Jewish community. The same individual, the same organisation, the Canadian Arab Federation, just last week circulated - including to all parliamentarians - videos which include propaganda, including the inculcation to hatred, of children by organisations such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Hat tip to yid-with-a-lid for posting this upstairs.

932 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:17:53pm

re: #891 avanti

Then what evidence do you have that it's under more serious consideration recently ?

Do you still want to stick to your claim of a few weeks ago that Obama will steer to the center?

933 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:18:06pm

re: #912 scottishbuzzsaw

How frightfully gay!

re: #927 Guanxi88

Yeah, that sort of sums up old Noel, huh?

Or am I thinking of Vincent Price?

934 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:18:08pm

re: #901 calcajun

This is true and written out of most narratives on slavery in academic discourse.

935 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:18:27pm

re: #916 DeafDog

This is the Avanti pattern....

1. Avanti says we do understand the brilliance of the Messiah
2. We quote the Messiah's own words back
3. Avanti claims we are mis-interpretting and points to a "Media Matters" matters artical that has some mis-statements from Dick Morris.

Be ready for the Media Matters retort any moment now.

Why did he name himself after an odd looking car that sucked?

936 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:18:36pm

re: #917 Guanxi88

A genius that man was! Pure linguistic artistry, and such a wit, too!

He stole the show in "The Italian Job".

937 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:18:58pm

re: #911 Sharmuta

Quote mining! Quote mining!

I'm scared of Christmas...I'm a Noel Coward

938 SixDegrees  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:19:06pm

re: re: #784 Haverwilde

Perhaps it is time to start preparing for the 'Fairness Doctrine.' There must be an attorney who frequents this site who can begin to prepare a lawsuit against NPR. It is time public radio had a conservative voice during at least 1/3 of its programming.

nk">#784 Haverwilde

I've thought along similar lines. If equally enforced, pretty much the entire Comedy Central network would have to be yanked off the air. Along with MTV. And not only NPR, but pretty much every public radio station I've ever run across (although they've become little more than NPR affiliates in recent years; the idea of public radio providing a forum for unique, local voices is as dead as a post thanks to NPR's often ruthless manipulation of the medium).

Does anyone know if the original Fairness Doctrine was ever subjected to a court challenge? It strikes me as fundamentally unconstitutional, and a trip to the Supremes would certainly be in order if it is resurrected.

939 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:19:10pm

re: #935 CyanSnowHawk

Avanti invites skepticism about a lot of things.

940 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:19:33pm

re: #922 godfrey

This is LGF. It's practically a facebook already.

Sometimes it's an In-Your-Facebook.

941 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:19:37pm

re: #901 calcajun

Taken to it's logical extension, should we then ask for all the African nations to return the billions we have given them in foreign aid since their ancestors actually started, ran, and profited from the slave trade? After all, a lot of European types did the buying (though not exclusively) but only the Africans did the selling.

I see no reason to punish those in the present for actions of their predecessors, centuries ago.

942 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:19:42pm

re: #919 Erik The Red

No one keen for Face Book?

If I look at faces, I might see races, and I'm too cowardly to deal with that.

943 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:20:10pm

re: #932 jcm

Do you still want to stick to your claim of a few weeks ago that Obama will steer to the center?

The center of what? Half way between Lenin and Chavez?

944 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:20:11pm

re: #937 Dustyvet

I'm scared of Christmas...I'm a Noel Coward

I'm afraid of my reflection.

945 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:20:15pm

re: #919 Erik The Red

No one keen for Face Book?

I joined this morning and I added my picture to the LGF group page.

946 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:20:22pm

we've already done reparations...BO simply denies history....white America has spent trillions on black poverty, black housing, black education...trillions...and for our investment we are called coward racists

947 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:20:23pm

re: #891 avanti

Then what evidence do you have that it's under more serious consideration recently ?

An official apology was issued from the House floor 2006, for starters.
But before I waste any more of my precious time on someone as committed to ignorance as yourself, you may first admit that you are basically uninformed on this particular issue. I have observed so far that you are extremely resistant to learning, therefore you are a poor student. I do not waste my energy on such.

948 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:20:24pm

Here. This will cheer you.

/not

949 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:20:49pm

Inviting skepticism means that you have no argument, but you really hate the other side of the argument. So, will someone please make a good argument for my side.

950 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:20:57pm

re: #939 godfrey

Avanti invites skepticism about a lot of things.

and his karma shows it brilliantly.

951 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:21:08pm

re: #941 eclectic infidel

I see no reason to punish those in the present for actions of their predecessors, centuries ago.

then resist

952 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:21:17pm

re: #876 Erik The Red

Morning/afternoon/Evening Lizards.

If you belong to Face Book go join LGF Group[ The more the better and stronger.

That's funny that you should post that as I've been thinking about setting up a facebook account. My college freshman daughter begged me not to. I guess she thinks I'm going to be creeping up on her friends or something.

953 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:21:28pm

re: #934 Afrocity

This is true and written out of most narratives on slavery in academic discourse.

An inconvenient truthre: #941 eclectic infidel

I see no reason to punish those in the present for actions of their predecessors, centuries ago.

Exactly--which is why the whole issue of reparations should be tossed into history's dustbin.

954 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:21:36pm

re: #945 Afrocity

Uh oh, pictures. They have pictures! Way to make us all curious, afrocity. Now Charles will have to provide a "Friends List" Ajax thingy.

955 code red 21  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:21:44pm

re: #914 redc1c4

from a news story in Colorado, as posted yesterday:
Tameka commented 2 hours 24 minutes ago
PRESIDENTS DAY! Obama is our president, and it's still Black History month. Get over it WHITE PEOPLE! You lost, just take it in slowly, don't worry, we'll give you a little bit more time to get used to black people taking over! It's been a long time coming, and we on top. We'll give you another year or so, but after that, if you guys are still acting all crazy, then we will have to regulate!

they have since deleted that comment, but there are some other gems still to be found here.


At the rate this country is going I don't think I'd want to take the credit.

956 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:21:50pm

re: #875 jaunte

Here's the quote:
"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."
[Link: archives.starbulletin.com...]


SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

"The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past - and I'll repeat again - that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Here's the link

957 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:21:54pm
958 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:22:23pm

re: #957 taxfreekiller

Some Apache remember.
And are good at the ambush still.

heh...know the ground

959 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:22:39pm

re: #928 Rexatosis

It only ended racism for those who voted for Obama the Secular Redeemer of America's Original Sin of Racism. The rest of the electorate who voted for McCain are still racists.

960 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:22:42pm

re: #956 avanti

And that differs from all of his other policy reversals how?

961 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:23:04pm

re: #925 code red 21

Does that mean I get reparations?

No, but you do get repairs.

Open wide and say "AH" ...

962 caligal  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:23:23pm

his remarks are causing a rift!

963 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:23:33pm

Next we'll be told GAZE-ing trolls is homophobic.

964 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:23:37pm

re: #956 avanti

Well, yes. Obama is for reparations, and there's probably a ton of what he considers reparations in the spending bill. What's your point?

965 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:23:47pm

re: #922 godfrey

re: #924 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Must be a LNDT thing. Good support Here Come and join the more the better. Must have Face Bookre: #942 Sharmuta

If I look at faces, I might see races, and I'm too cowardly to deal with that.

?

966 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:23:54pm

re: #896 buzzsawmonkey

I see it is the pet of Mr. John Conyers (D., Hezbollah).

It's amazing what that man will try to con yer out of.

And for 20 years. it's gone nowhere.`

967 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:24:34pm

re: #961 OldLineTexan

No, but you do get repairs.

Open wide and say "AH" ...

"AH" is not what comes out of that end.

968 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:24:35pm

re: #956 avanti

You really should read your entire link before offering it as "proof"

There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau

969 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:24:37pm

re: #952 redstateredneck

That's funny that you should post that as I've been thinking about setting up a facebook account. My college freshman daughter begged me not to. I guess she thinks I'm going to be creeping up on her friends or something.

Set it up.

970 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:24:46pm

re: #965 Erik The Red

I was making a joke on topic.

971 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:07pm

re: #956 avanti

See how the 0ne can take opposite positions? Just like he said to AIPAC that Jerusalem should be the undivided capital of Israel, and the next day, changed his mind.

972 BigMoo  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:07pm

He's right, this has become a nation of cowards-but not in the way Holder meant today

This fact could not have been punctuated better than by the results of the Nov. election, where a small majority of Americans were willing to sell their souls to the 'warm embrace' of the State rather than continue to chase an independent, self chosen destiny.

A pity.

973 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:14pm

re: #905 Empire1

I never heard anything back. Next time I will write "Klingon".

974 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:27pm

Besides, Erik, we lizards have robust imaginations.

975 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:31pm

re: #935 CyanSnowHawk

Why did he name himself after an odd looking car that sucked?


Good question.

Avanti was originally an ancient kingdom of India, with its capital near modern Ujjain; flourished in the 6th–4th centuries b.c.

I also note that Avanti International is the leading supplier of chemical grout in the world.

It could be that our Avanti never even heard of the Studdebaker

976 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:31pm

re: #852 calcajun

Human bean.///

on any form............
SEX: yes
RACE: human

977 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:33pm

re: #850 doppelganglanderI live across the road from a very lovely family. All of their children are adopted. They have one set of twins...little white boys....and a brother& sister set of mixed children. When the birth mother of the mixed babies reproduced YET again...they took that child as well. I think mixed adoptions are peachy.

978 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:41pm

re: #914 redc1c4

from a news story in Colorado, as posted yesterday:
Tameka commented 2 hours 24 minutes ago
PRESIDENTS DAY! Obama is our president, and it's still Black History month. Get over it WHITE PEOPLE! You lost, just take it in slowly, don't worry, we'll give you a little bit more time to get used to black people taking over! It's been a long time coming, and we on top. We'll give you another year or so, but after that, if you guys are still acting all crazy, then we will have to regulate!

they have since deleted that comment, but there are some other gems still to be found here.

See this is the perfect girl for a wigger. Black militant type are great for white guys that emulate Eminim. They can sit around and smoke bongs and sniff tea tree oil incense. Wear matching FUBU outfits.

979 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:44pm

re: #960 rawmuse

see my 968,,, italicized section os from Avantis link

980 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:50pm

re: #916 DeafDog

This is the Avanti pattern....

1. Avanti says we do understand the brilliance of the Messiah
2. We quote the Messiah's own words back
3. Avanti claims we are mis-interpretting and points to a "Media Matters" matters artical that has some mis-statements from Dick Morris.

Be ready for the Media Matters retort any moment now.

Cognito is to the media
as Avanti is to the Obama Administration.

I swear they are the same person at times...
2 computer sock puppet?
//

981 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:53pm

re: #967 unreconstructed rebel

"AH" is not what comes out of that end.

If we could fix THAT end, our politicians would work better.

/silly

982 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:25:56pm

re: #942 Sharmuta

Face book is fun.

983 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:26:21pm

re: #942 Sharmuta

If I look at faces, I might see races, and I'm too cowardly to deal with that.

My face
My race
Don't matter anymore
My sex
My checks
Are accepted at the door

- Born at the Right Time, Paul Simon, Graceland.

984 code red 21  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:26:32pm

re: #961 OldLineTexan

No, but you do get repairs.

Open wide and say "AH" ...

Which end?

985 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:26:48pm
986 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:27:05pm

re: #978 Afrocity

See this is the perfect girl for a wigger. Black militant type are great for white guys that emulate Eminim. They can sit around and smoke bongs and sniff tea tree oil incense. Wear matching FUBU outfits.

I only buy FUBAR; it's what I'm used to.

/

987 Dustyvet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:27:15pm

re: #981 OldLineTexan

If we could fix THAT end, our politicians would work better.

/silly

BOHICA...:)

988 redheadredstate  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:27:24pm

re: #956 avanti

O probably isn't going to come out in the open and ask for reparations he'll do it by stealth. He's already doing it in the porkulus laws. ACORN is reparations big time in my opinion.

989 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:27:41pm

re: #901 calcajun

Slavery is still widely practiced in several African countries including Mauritania, Niger & Sudan. Although officially illegal, slavery persists in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, and the Gulf States. Slavery even exists in America today.

990 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:27:48pm

re: #974 godfrey

Besides, Erik, we lizards have robust imaginations.

an American invented Disneyland....nuff said...we got mojo

991 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:27:48pm

re: #956 avanti

He will just call the reparations something else like socialism, welfare, foreclosure vouchers...

992 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:27:49pm

re: #966 avanti

And for 20 years. it's gone nowhere.`

Yeah and for 40 + years the Democrats have been pushing socialism and voyla.....here it is.
Eternal vigilance

993 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:27:55pm

re: #970 Sharmuta

I was making a joke on topic.

Came late to this thread. : )

994 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:28:16pm

re: #984 code red 21

Which end?

Whichever end talks (say "AH" being the clue).

But hey, if the other end talks, speak up!

/just do it outside in a breeze, please

995 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:28:17pm

re: #900 godfrey

Hey! I am left handed and I take offense at that remark! Apologize immediately or feel the wrath of the "damn, we can't use those scissors" brigade!

//

996 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:28:27pm
997 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:28:30pm

re: #982 Ojoe

Face book is fun.

I'm a mafia wars playin machine.

998 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:28:43pm
999 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:28:49pm

re: #980 Oh no...Sand People!

Cognito is to the media
as Avanti is to the Obama Administration.

I swear they are the same person at times...
2 computer sock puppet?
//

Due to the nature of my work and the clientel we cater too, I see more behind the scenes "media" in a week than Cognito does in a decade

1000 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:29:05pm
1001 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:29:12pm

re: #996 taxfreekiller

nodrog ?

luaP noR?

1002 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:29:18pm

re: #809 albusteve

Jamaican doctor at the hospital a few months back had dreds...a 5" diameter tail that went all the way to his waist....very cool hair

On a Jamaican, sure. The only white people I've seen sort of pull it off are Adam Duritz of Counting Crows and Jason Castro from last season's American Idol.

1003 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:29:41pm

re: #969 Erik The Red

Set it up.

I started it. I'll have to work on it at home where I have my pics, etc.

1004 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:29:50pm

re: #996 taxfreekiller

nodrog ?

Hey Gordon where have you been///

1005 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:30:32pm

re: #978 Afrocity

had to google FUBU...........had no idea...........boy, am I out of the kewl loop..........

1006 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:30:35pm

re: #1002 doppelganglander

On a Jamaican, sure. The only white people I've seen sort of pull it off are Adam Duritz of Counting Crows and Jason Castro from last season's American Idol.

I'm very fond of Jamaica and her people!...just had to speak up :)

1007 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:30:39pm

re: #1000 Iron Fist

Obama = American Gansta

1008 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:30:46pm

re: #976 IslandLibertarian

on any form............
SEX: yes
RACE: human

For "sex", I answered one time, "here? now?"

1009 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:30:48pm

re: #995 Amer-I-Can

What's the problem? All you have to do is position your hand so that you cut backwards.

/

1010 leww37334  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:30:50pm

Finally figured out what Holder is doing, anybody remember rope-a-dope?

Call people cowards for refusing to honestly discuss racial issues. Then when someone does, you use the power of the attorney general's office to convict them of "hate speech".

1011 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:30:52pm

re: #968 sattv4u2

You really should read your entire link before offering it as "proof"

There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau


If you consider that reparations, we've been helping poor folk for decades, I suspect that will continue. I thought reparations were writing a check to every slave descendant, some 30-60 trillion dollars worth.

1012 redheadredstate  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:31:11pm

re: #1000 Iron Fist

What is it about these black guys who go to elite prep-schools that they've got to act all "Boyz in da Hood" 'n shit? Neither Holder or Obama have faced a fucking day of racism in their entire sheltered lives. But they are the first ones to cry "racism" if they don't get their wishes done as though they were the Lord and Master of all Creation.

Asshats.

My daughter goes to school in what we call the "fake hood". This is a high school in the middle of a very nice middle class mixed race neighborhood. You would never know it by listening to her black classmates though. It's as if the mother ship transported them from Compton to our little suburb. Poseurs!

1013 Scion9  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:31:11pm

re: #901 calcajun

Eh. Not 100% true. Most of the Africans that were put into the Atlantic slave trade were indeed bought on native African slave markets, but there were coastal raids, and kidnappings as well.

1014 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:31:13pm

To assert that Slavery Reparations are a dead issue in the age of Cornell West, Angela Davis, Rev. Wright, Eric Holder, and President Barack Obama takes some real psychological acrobatics.

1015 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:31:24pm

re: #1002 doppelganglander

On a Jamaican, sure. The only white people I've seen sort of pull it off are Adam Duritz of Counting Crows and Jason Castro from last season's American Idol.

I dreamt I saw you walking
Up a hillside in the snow

/I like Counting Crows. They are all like bummed out and mellow.

1016 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:31:28pm

re: #941 eclectic infidel

I see no reason to punish those in the present for actions of their predecessors, centuries ago.

Kinda goes against "Dedicated to the principle that all men are created equal..."

We were getting away from a culture that believed a man deserved to be king just on his ancestry. But it applies to crimes as well as honors. You inherit neither, but must earn your own.

1017 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:31:36pm
1018 code red 21  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:31:55pm

re: #994 OldLineTexan

Whichever end talks (say "AH" being the clue).

But hey, if the other end talks, speak up!

/just do it outside in a breeze, please

Some people can speak out of both ends...Eric Holder comes to mind.

1019 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:32:16pm

re: #1005 IslandLibertarian

had to google FUBU...........had no idea...........boy, am I out of the kewl loop..........

FUBU = For Us By Us

1020 Outrider  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:32:43pm

re: #956 avanti

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

"The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past - and I'll repeat again - that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Here's the link

So--you are providing proof he is indeed talking out both sides, appeasing whomever he is talking to at the time. Others have provided links showing he has approved of the concept of reparations.

I have heard far too many in his current administration approving of the idea of reparations. Nothing concrete-just the concept.

1021 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:33:11pm

re: #919 Erik The Red

No one keen for Face Book?

I'm trying to sign up, but can't see the verification words (yes, I'm allowing scripts on that page). If I ever make it, since they want something that looks like a real name, I'll be using Judane Fowler (a character in some of my interactive stories).

1022 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:33:32pm

re: #1015 OldLineTexan

I dreamt I saw you walking
Up a hillside in the snow

/I like Counting Crows. They are all like bummed out and mellow.

the best part of that band BY FAR is David Immergluck....they hardly deserve his talents....they are sooo dreary

1023 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:33:36pm

re: #1017 taxfreekiller

nodrog like responses,,,

Codemonkey like Fritos ...

1024 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:33:42pm

re: #1014 rawmuse

To assert that Slavery Reparations are a dead issue in the age of Cornell West, Angela Davis, Rev. Wright, Eric Holder, and President Barack Obama takes some real psychological acrobatics.

In the age where 'heart attacks' are being labeled as 'racist', exactly.

1025 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:34:03pm

re: #1003 redstateredneck

I started it. I'll have to work on it at home where I have my pics, etc.

Do it. You will work out who I am easy. First name of my nic, Join and lets get this group going. I know of 5/6 regular posters here that are members. Should be more.

1026 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:34:14pm

re: #1011 avanti

If you consider that reparations, we've been helping poor folk for decades, I suspect that will continue. I thought reparations were writing a check to every slave descendant, some 30-60 trillion dollars worth.

Again, I suggest you seek help crossing streets. Your periphial vision is impaired. Now that Rep Conyers has someone in Justice as well as CIC that have sympathies toward a bill he introduces every session,,,,,
Repeat after me.. 1 + 1 ='s 2 ,,,,, 2 + 2 ='s 4 ,,,,,

1027 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:34:25pm

re: #730 Afrocity

I dont like wiggers. Sorry. I am on a dating site and they always message me wanting to date a "sistuh". If I accept the date they are upset that I am not a home girl who wants to get "my freak on". I went out with one who got one of his dreads caught in my umbrella when it was raining.

that had to hurt.

1028 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:34:35pm

re: #1013 Scion9

Eh. Not 100% true. Most of the Africans that were put into the Atlantic slave trade were indeed bought on native African slave markets, but there were coastal raids, and kidnappings as well.

I disagree. the European slavers did not want to spend time and $ going in on raids where they might lose men--also the local leaders frowned on such incursions. Most raids and kidnappings of which you speak were perpetrated by one African tribe against other rival tribes, or by the friendly RoP'ers who lived to the North and East.

1029 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:34:53pm

re: #956 avanti

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

"The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past - and I'll repeat again - that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Note: Democratic presidential candidate

He had the black vote locked up - it was the white vote he was courting.

1030 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:35:15pm

re: #1026 sattv4u2

Again, I suggest you seek help crossing streets. Your periphial vision is impaired. Now that Rep Conyers has someone in Justice as well as CIC that have sympathies toward a bill he introduces every session,,,,,
Repeat after me.. 1 + 1 ='s 2 ,,,,, 2 + 2 ='s 4 ,,,,,

NEVER! Teacher said that if I feel like it should be a 3 or a 5 it can be!
/

1031 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:35:22pm

re: #956 avanti

Obama has perfected talking out of both sides of his mouth.

1032 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:35:26pm

re: #956 avanti

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

"The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past - and I'll repeat again - that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Here's the link

Obama "opposes" the fairness doctrine. But it's in Porkzilla only it's called "Diversity" and "Localism."

1033 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:35:39pm

re: #1009 godfrey

I tried that once, got close to a circumcision, ended up with a belly button piercing because of a sneeze.

I'm waiting!

//

1034 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:35:58pm

re: #1031 capitalist piglet

Obama has perfected talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Both sides of both orifices.

1035 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:36:01pm

re: #975 DeafDog

Good question.

Avanti was originally an ancient kingdom of India, with its capital near modern Ujjain; flourished in the 6th–4th centuries b.c.

I also note that Avanti International is the leading supplier of chemical grout in the world.

It could be that our Avanti never even heard of the Studdebaker

I've owned over 400 Studebaker's over the years and buy and sell them for a living. Avanti is Italian for "forward" Here's a Avanti

1036 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:36:06pm

re: #1030 Oh no...Sand People!

NEVER! Teacher said that if I feel like it should be a 3 or a 5 it can be!
/

I'll have fries with that meal ,, and a large Coke

1037 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:36:39pm
1038 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:36:48pm

re: #1021 Empire1

I'm trying to sign up, but can't see the verification words (yes, I'm allowing scripts on that page). If I ever make it, since they want something that looks like a real name, I'll be using Judane Fowler (a character in some of my interactive stories).

When you sign up the LGF group is HERE

1039 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:01pm

Hey Empire1.

With facebook it is best to use your real name.

Put in your high school and college.

Facebook will then start sending you all of these people that you might know.
It's frickin amazing. I am stalking ex girlfriends that I had no clue of how to find. It has freed up many hours of stalker activities for other things.

Kidding, but it is pretty cool seeing all of the people that you have lost touch with over the last 20 or 30 years.

1040 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:07pm

'Eh! Eric! Fuck you. Racist shitferbrains!

1041 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:14pm

re: #1030 Oh no...Sand People!

NEVER! Teacher said that if I feel like it should be a 3 or a 5 it can be!
/

That explains the math used in the stimulus porkage.

1042 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:17pm

re: #1035 avanti

I stand corrected

1043 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:31pm

re: #1031 capitalist piglet

Obama has perfected talking out of both sides of his mouth.

I knew pot dealers exactly like that decades ago...he doesnt fool everyone but he can look at us askew with a smirk because of his droolers....he won

1044 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:34pm

re: #1036 sattv4u2

I'll have fries with that meal ,, and a large Coke

-I be have been at McDonuld'z for four and one half years...Obama...can you gets me new job will can yew? -Florida Town Hall meeting supporter.

1045 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:35pm

re: #1031 capitalist piglet

Obama has perfected talking out of both sides of his mouth.

and ass.

1046 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:35pm

re: #1035 avanti

I think the round headlights are better than the square headlights.

1047 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:39pm

re: #1031 capitalist piglet

Obama has perfected talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Well not really Arafat was great at that, but then again, he had the advantage of speaking in both English and Arabic.

1048 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:40pm

re: #1030 Oh no...Sand People!

For that effort, your C will be raised to a B.

1049 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:43pm

Couple of lizard chicks on facebook, man.

1050 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:52pm

re: #991 Afrocity

He will just call the reparations something else like socialism, welfare, foreclosure vouchers...

"Historical Fairness" ...that's got a nice wonky-cuddly ring to it!

1051 eprn1n2  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:37:57pm

Here's some "Frank Talk" I'm tired of African Americans whining about how bad they have it. I'm tired of the race baiters of this world hustling race for money. I'm tired of talk about reparations. Get over it.

1052 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:38:10pm

re: #37 Iron Fist

This fucker demonstrated his fiber by having men with machineguns kidnap and deport to Cuba a little boy. His only other accomplishment was to act as a go-between fugitive Marc Rich and his ex and the Clinton machine, to arrange a deal of money (lots of it) and, possibly sex (have you seen Denise Rich? I'll bet old slick Willy stood at attention for her) in exchange for a Presidential pardon.

So, of course Obama wants him to be Attorney General. It probably helps that the fucker is radically pro-gun control on top of all his other manifest failings. The Republicans should filibuster his ass, but they won't.

Holder is also the author of what was known as the "Holder Memorandum" - a mealy-mouthed DOJ document that legendarily laid the groundwork for the DOJ basically requiring corporations to waive attorney-client privilege if they wanted any shot at avoiding being openly charged with criminal offenses, often a death sentence regardless of actual merit. So being lectured about bravery by a guy who effectively advocated scaring companies into "voluntarily" giving up a 500+ year old legal right for the privilege of possibly avoiding dubious criminal charges by Democrats is a bit like taking advice on the administration of West Point from Benedict Arnold.

1053 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:38:53pm

re: #1039 The_Vig

I did not use my real name. I am going by Afrocity.

1054 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:38:58pm

re: #1035 avanti

I've owned over 400 Studebaker's over the years and buy and sell them for a living. Avanti is Italian for "forward" Here's a Avanti

You remind me that "Nova" means "Doesn't go" in Spanish.....The Chevy Nova sold poorly in Mexico.

1055 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:39:16pm

here's my proposal for anyone who feels they are entitled to reparations. We give them the money, but they volunteer to emigrate to the African nation of their choice, relinquish their American citizenship, and promise to never re-apply for American citizenship. By doing so, we'd be making them whole and putting them on the soil of the continent they "came from."

Think many would take that deal? Because if they don't feel that is a fair deal, they have no right to demand or receive reparations.

1056 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:39:20pm

Just posted on the LGF board! Sweet!

1057 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:39:40pm

'A pernicious evil that must be repudiated'
Jason Kenney at the anti-Semitism summit

The full speech. Outstanding!

1058 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:39:45pm

re: #1025 Erik The Red

did you see me on there? did it work?

1059 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:39:47pm
1060 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:40:18pm

re: #1040 M. Bensson-Levi

'Eh! Eric! Fuck you. Racist shitferbrains!

?

1061 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:40:23pm

re: #1048 lawhawk

For that effort, your C will be raised to a B.

Ooo. After the first paragraph I didn't dare continue...

1062 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:40:28pm

re: #1054 DeafDog

You remind me that "Nova" means "Doesn't go" in Spanish.....The Chevy Nova sold poorly in Mexico.

66-68 Nova made a hell of a street rod with some time and money...classic

1063 Right mind left  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:40:42pm

As for Facebook...not sure I would trust what they will do with all the personal data. These are changing times and it gives me pause, personally...

[Link: www.daytondailynews.com...]

Facebook changes course on who owns content

* What's your reaction to the change?

By Jill Kelley and Raychel Santo

Staff Writers

Wednesday, February 18, 2009

Facebook has reversed a policy that drew loud complaints from some of the users of the social networking site.

The company had always had rights to the material users publish on its site, but, as of Feb. 4, that relationship became permanent. By removing three lines at the end of its terms of service in an effort to "clarify" the rules, according to Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, the company claimed rights to any material posted on its site — forever.

Prior to Feb. 4, the terms noted that Facebook's right to your material expired when your account was deleted. The company modified the termination section to say that when your account is deleted, Facebook retains the license to that material.

Now Facebook has done an about face and reinstated the old policy. Posted atop users' Facebook pages on Wednesday was the statement: "Over the past few days, we have received a lot of feedback about the new terms we posted two weeks ago. Because of this response, we have decided to return to our previous Terms of Use while we resolve the issues that people have raised."

1064 code red 21  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:40:52pm

Is there anybody here today that voted for BO and now has buyer's remorse? You can tell me I won't tell anybody else I promise.

1065 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:01pm

re: #1026 sattv4u2

Again, I suggest you seek help crossing streets. Your periphial vision is impaired. Now that Rep Conyers has someone in Justice as well as CIC that have sympathies toward a bill he introduces every session,,,,,
Repeat after me.. 1 + 1 ='s 2 ,,,,, 2 + 2 ='s 4 ,,,,,

"Only the disciplined mind can see reality, Winston. You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you. But I tell you, Winston, that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes : only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party. That is the fact that you have got to relearn, Winston. It needs an act of self-destruction, an effort of the will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane."
....
" You are a slow learner, Winston ", said O'Brien gently.

" How can I help it ? " he blubbered. " How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four. "

" Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane. "

1066 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:06pm

re: #1051 eprn1n2

After the blood of the Civil War we should all go on together arm in arm, whatever our race; who has any more worth than anyone else? We all enjoy this land of great freedom paid for in blood, it was all the same color when it flowed.

1067 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:15pm

re: #1038 Erik The Red

When you sign up the LGF group is HERE

Thank you very much! I'll be there as soon as I can get in.

1068 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:24pm

re: #1059 Iron Fist

I was guilty of some of that kind of shit when I was seventeen, though rough is as rough does and I was one crazy motherfucker. Be that as it may, I'm not pulling that same shit when I'm in my forties and President of the motherfucking United States of America. Can't we expect something better than a gangster wannabe from 11th grade in our President? Can't we expect more of someone who wants to be the Attourney General of the United States?

Or is it racist to have expected them to grow the fuck up out of high-school recess bullshit? What's next? The O-man going to shake us down for our lunch money?


Too late. The pork bill will be coming due.

1069 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:39pm

re: #1053 Afrocity

I did not use my real name. I am going by Afrocity.

Not saying that anyone has to use their real name, but if you are looking for old high school and college friends it helps.

1070 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:41pm

re: #1035 avanti

I've owned over 400 Studebaker's over the years and buy and sell them for a living. Avanti is Italian for "forward" Here's a Avanti

Owned 400 Studebaker's? Geez Looeez. Assuming you started buying them when you were 16 that's 8 a year for 50 years..........I don't know if 'collector' quite describes it.......

1071 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:44pm

Peace breaking out in the Swat valley...

Reporters Without Borders expressed outrage at the murder today in the Swat valley of a journalist whose beheaded body was found shortly after he covered a “peace march” related to an agreement biding the authorities to implement Sharia law there.

On the same day a score of armed and masked men blew up the press club in Wana, capital of the South Waziristan tribal area, completely destroying the building. In two other recent incidents, a journalist received death threats and a television reporter was briefly abducted after interviewing a Taliban spokesman.

The body of Musa Khankhel, aged 28, a reporter in the Swat valley for Geo News and the newspaper The News was found beheaded a few hours after he was snatched during a “peace march” near Matta by supporters of the pro-Taliban cleric, Maulan Sufi Muhammad, one of his colleagues confirmed to Reporters Without Borders. There was no claim of responsibility.

1072 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:46pm

re: #1055 _RememberTonyC

here's my proposal for anyone who feels they are entitled to reparations. We give them the money, but they volunteer to emigrate to the African nation of their choice, relinquish their American citizenship, and promise to never re-apply for American citizenship. By doing so, we'd be making them whole and putting them on the soil of the continent they "came from."

Think many would take that deal? Because if they don't feel that is a fair deal, they have no right to demand or receive reparations.

I will take you up on that. Mount Kilimanjaro (Tanzania) please./

1073 redheadredstate  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:47pm

re: #1059 Iron Fist

I was guilty of some of that kind of shit when I was seventeen, though rough is as rough does and I was one crazy motherfucker. Be that as it may, I'm not pulling that same shit when I'm in my forties and President of the motherfucking United States of America. Can't we expect something better than a gangster wannabe from 11th grade in our President? Can't we expect more of someone who wants to be the Attourney General of the United States?

Or is it racist to have expected them to grow the fuck up out of high-school recess bullshit? What's next? The O-man going to shake us down for our lunch money?

There you go again applying logic to the illogical...RACIST!

1074 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:50pm

re: #1031 capitalist piglet

Obama has perfected talking out of both sides of his mouth.

He is the consummate politician, no question.

1075 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:50pm

23:26 U.S.: Syria can play positive roll in helping bring peace, stability to Mideast (Haaretz)

Syria reportedly stepping up production of chemical weapons


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Can ANYONE in the State department even read?

1076 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:41:55pm

re: #1062 albusteve

66-68 Nova made a hell of a street rod with some time and money...classic

BTW - I'm think'n about buying myself a Ford Mustang....middle agedness is setting in.

1077 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:42:24pm

re: #1060 Erik The Red

LOL, I'm sure it was the wrong Eric...

1078 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:42:27pm

re: #1055 _RememberTonyC

here's my proposal for anyone who feels they are entitled to reparations. We give them the money, but they volunteer to emigrate to the African nation of their choice, relinquish their American citizenship, and promise to never re-apply for American citizenship. By doing so, we'd be making them whole and putting them on the soil of the continent they "came from."

Think many would take that deal? Because if they don't feel that is a fair deal, they have no right to demand or receive reparations.

Thank you Pat Buchanan.
Or David Duke, or whatever.

1079 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:42:40pm

re: #1060 Erik The Red

?

Holder not the Red.

1080 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:42:55pm

re: #1038 Erik The Red

When you sign up the LGF group is HERE

Done, and Done.

I actually have a reason to go there now...

1081 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:43:07pm

re: #1060 Erik The Red

It's the topic of the thread, Hon.

1082 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:43:14pm

Charles must be off digging up his Krugerrands...

1083 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:43:36pm

re: #1074 avanti

He is the consummate politician, no question.

He is the consummate made Chicago politician, no question.

FIFY

1084 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:43:44pm

re: #1082 albusteve

Charles must be off digging up his Krugerrands...

Or his Lupins

1085 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:44:10pm

re: #1053 Afrocity

I've often wondered how actual African Americans feel about the wigger phenomenon. It reminds me of a modern urban version of the black face minstrel show performers, which doesn't help me like them any more. In my town we have a variation: Arab & Pakistani youth dressing & talking like African American rappers, even calling each other by the "n" world.

1086 redc1c4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:44:15pm

re: #1060 Erik The Red

?

Eric Holder, the alleged AG....

1087 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:44:24pm

re: #1039 The_Vig

With facebook it is best to use your real name.

Er, not in my case -- for one thing, it's so common I'd get herds of people I don't know, and it's also the name of a moderately well-known singer I don't care to get mistaken for. I also have a policy of not using my real name on-line except in e-mail when I have to.

1088 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:44:29pm

re: #1054 DeafDog

You remind me that "Nova" means "Doesn't go" in Spanish.....The Chevy Nova sold poorly in Mexico.

Actually... that's not quite true.

1089 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:44:35pm

re: #1084 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or his Lupins

Your lupins or your life!

1090 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:45:00pm

re: #1040 M. Bensson-Levi

Sir? I think Sir is confused and has wandered into the wrong site. If I may direct Sir, "Daily Kos" is two doors down and "HuffPo" is across the hall.

1091 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:45:12pm

Little nuts to join the LGF group with your real name, no?
Pam is still a member, I see.

1092 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:45:14pm

re: #1087 Empire1

Er, not in my case -- for one thing, it's so common I'd get herds of people I don't know, and it's also the name of a moderately well-known singer I don't care to get mistaken for. I also have a policy of not using my real name on-line except in e-mail when I have to.

You're Michael Bolton? How is it working at Initech?
/

1093 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:45:15pm
1094 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:45:30pm

re: #1081 Sharmuta

It's the topic of the thread, Hon.


Thanks Sharm I was never on thread here :)

1095 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:45:33pm

re: #1060 Erik The Red

I don't think he meant you. Really.

1096 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:45:51pm

re: #1074 avanti

He is the consummate politician, no question.

hahaha...consummate fool...he is no politician because you say so...he has votes...if he were a consummate politician where did he get his experience?....who are his allies?....what a strange thing to say

1097 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:46:21pm

re: #1092 Kosh's Shadow

You're Michael Bolton? How is it working at Initech?
/

You took my stapler. I want my red Swingline back!

1098 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:46:24pm

re: #1091 Ben Hur

I am on FB for professional contact reasons, and I am keeping as far away from politics as possible, which is difficult for me with all the complete moonbats on that site.

1099 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:46:26pm
1100 Scion9  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:46:31pm

re: #1028 calcajun

The history of Belgium's involvement in the Congo suggests otherwise. I don't think the local rulers really had all that much to say on the issue after they had been put down.

1101 Trulyyours  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:46:48pm

Enough civility - f*** him.

1102 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:46:49pm

re: #1089 Guanxi88

Your lupins or your life!

But we haven't got any lupins!

1103 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:46:53pm

re: #1091 Ben Hur

Little nuts to join the LGF group with your real name, no?

Yes.

Pam is still a member, I see.

As if an illustration was called for, it's right on cue.

1104 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:46:57pm

re: #1076 DeafDog

BTW - I'm think'n about buying myself a Ford Mustang....middle agedness is setting in.

what year?...for what purpose?...my BinLaw and his son build street rods

1105 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:47:02pm

re: #956 avanti

"I have said in the past - and I'll repeat again

You have to laugh at how often he uses that same type of sentence construct, indicating how defensive he is about accusations of inconsistency:

"I'll repeat what I've always said..." "Let me say once more as I've said before..." "Let me say one more time and I've always been consistent in this..."

And yet each time it is when he has said conflicting things. He even uses it in both conflicting quotes here.

"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."
1106 mikalm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:47:03pm

re: #1085 Kenneth

Here in the Bay Area we've got middle-class Chinese-American kids that act like they came straight outta the projects. They're known as "chiggers."

1107 brookly red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:47:13pm

re: #1075 Nevergiveup

23:26 U.S.: Syria can play positive roll in helping bring peace, stability to Mideast (Haaretz)

Syria reportedly stepping up production of chemical weapons

Naaaaw, just digging up the old ones (that didn't exist) that Saddam let the hold/

1108 godfrey  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:48:10pm

re: #1038 Erik The Red

Alright, I joined.

1109 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:48:19pm

re: #1078 The_Vig

Thank you Pat Buchanan.
Or David Duke, or whatever.

excuse me. that is not a racist thought. the point i am making is this. we know slavery is the greatest sin this country has ever committed. but while those who were taken as slaves surely would have deserved reparations, their descendents have had privileges in this country they would never have dreamed of having in Africa. Thus, if they want to be "paid back" for having to endure life in the USA, they should voluntarily leave the USA since their life here is infinitely better than it would be in any African country.

1110 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:48:26pm

re: #1106 mikalm

Where I come from chiggers are little red bugs that bite.

1111 CalBear84  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:48:27pm

OK let's talk about race. MY race...Caucasian.
Here's how I feel about being a Caucasian male in America:
I feel angry that I'm labeled a greedy capitalist for earning a decent living, a "hater" for wanting marriage to be between a man and a woman, a racist for expecting blacks to live responsible lives, a "thug" for supporting conservatism...I could go on. But maybe that's enough race talk for now!

1112 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:48:42pm

re: #1106 mikalm

I call our local Islamic variant "muggers".

1113 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:48:43pm

re: #1088 MrSilverDragon

Actually... that's not quite true.

Ya know, that was a very interesting write-up, but the guy doesn't offer any facts to back up his debunking of the urban legend. I'm left not knowing which is side is true.

1114 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:48:54pm

re: #1091 Ben Hur

Little nuts to join the LGF group with your real name, no?
Pam is still a member, I see.

Pam of the website?

Mohammed is there, but clicking on him doesn't show any friends whatsoever.
:(

1115 midwestgak  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:48:55pm

re: #1087 Empire1

Neal Diamond?

1116 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:49:20pm

re: #1103 Sharmuta

As if an illustration was called for, it's right on cue.

Precisely the reasons why I dont sign up for things of that nature.

1117 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:49:26pm

re: #997 Oh no...Sand People!

I'm a mafia wars playin machine.

Seriously? Me too! Are you on the LGF group? I would friend you and invite you to my mafia.

1118 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:49:52pm

re: #1083 jcm

He is the consummate made Chicago politician, no question.

FIFY

Chicago Politician

1119 John Gibbon  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:49:55pm

...it is somewhat interesting that the WaPo won't let you blog against this story on their website, are they cowards too?

1120 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:50:10pm

re: #1046 Ojoe

I think the round headlights are better than the square headlights.

Splitter!

1121 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:50:15pm

re: #1111 CalBear84

OK let's talk about race. MY race...Caucasian.
Here's how I feel about being a Caucasian male in America:
I feel angry that I'm labeled a greedy capitalist for earning a decent living, a "hater" for wanting marriage to be between a man and a woman, a racist for expecting blacks to live responsible lives, a "thug" for supporting conservatism...I could go on. But maybe that's enough race talk for now!

I'm melanin deficient, the must be something in Pozkzilla for me!

1122 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:50:16pm

re: #1100 Scion9

The history of Belgium's involvement in the Congo suggests otherwise. I don't think the local rulers really had all that much to say on the issue after they had been put down.

I am a little confused. Belgium didn't become a colonial power until after the Napoleonic Wars. By that time, Britain and the US had outlawed the international slave trade (yes, there was still the illegal slave trade here, I know). But Belgium could not have had an active role in grabbing Africans during the height of the legal slave trade during the 17th and 18th centuries.

1123 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:50:34pm

re: #1108 godfrey

Alright, I joined.

Look for me my first name is the same as my nic.

1124 Mirage  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:50:54pm

re: #1045 Afrocity

and ass.

Ace Ventura comes to mind when a talking ass is mentioned.

1125 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:51:26pm

re: #1104 albusteve

what year?...for what purpose?...my BinLaw and his son build street rods

It would be my primary car and is still in the hemming and hawing phase.

I haven't bought a new car in years, but I'm actually thinking of going that direction now. The 2010 is getting good reviews and I sorta like the idea that Ford did not take the Feds money.

1126 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:51:30pm

re: #1091 Ben Hur

Little nuts to join the LGF group with your real name, no?
Pam is still a member, I see.

Pashaw, if they want to find me, they'll find a way regardless. Plus in this day and age I am sure I am kicking around on more than my fair share of databases by now... I got nothing to fear. I am competent in my abilities on and off the digital playground. But that's just me.

1127 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:51:32pm

re: #1116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Precisely the reasons why I dont sign up for things of that nature.

No offense, because I love the Lizards, but I try to keep a bit of skepticism online.

1128 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:51:42pm

re: #1015 OldLineTexan

I dreamt I saw you walking
Up a hillside in the snow

/I like Counting Crows. They are all like bummed out and mellow.

They're one of my favorites. Excellent music to be depressed by.

1129 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:52:00pm

re: #1109 _RememberTonyC

While what you say, may in fact be true. The same thing has been said by many evil people in the past. The whole "go back to Africa" movement was very big with the clan and other racists. It is just like telling all of the Germans to get out after world war 2 or the Japanese. It plays into the hands of the left and paints us in a bad picture.

1130 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:52:11pm

re: #1076 DeafDog

BTW - I'm think'n about buying myself a Ford Mustang....middle agedness is setting in.

Heh. I have a '68 coupe. Right now it's just a "rolling shell", plus some parts I've picked up over the last couple of years, but I have great plans for it (but no money for it at the moment... a 5.7L EFI engine ain't cheap). My dad restored the '66 I bought in 1980 - it's my sister's car now.

1131 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:52:17pm

re: #1117 doppelganglander

Seriously? Me too! Are you on the LGF group? I would friend you and invite you to my mafia.

Just signed up and posted my nic to the board.

I just started a few weeks ago...but I am making haste to level up.

1132 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:52:27pm

consummate politician?...hahahaha!...ooff,,,hahaha!
oh lordy....hahahaha!

1133 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:52:40pm

re: #1124 Mirage

Ace Ventura comes to mind when a talking ass is mentioned.

Burroughs, William S. Burroughs "Spare-Ass Annie":

From the weird Kronenberg film, but the basic story's there.

1134 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:53:25pm

re: #932 jcm

Do you still want to stick to your claim of a few weeks ago that Obama will steer to the center?

He is steering toward the center, just not the far rights center. We live in different bubbles, my happy, happy joy, joy, liberal, blue state bubble, your doom and gloom, the world as we know it is over bubble. Neither bubble has it right, even though we'll think it is if we don't venture outside now and then.

1135 CalBear84  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:53:29pm

re: #1121 jcm
Just not enough melanin to go around these days...

1136 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:53:55pm

re: #1132 albusteve

consummate politician?...hahahaha!...ooff,,,hahaha!
oh lordy....hahahaha!

Don't laugh, he's consummated his relationship with the voters.

We got screwed.

1137 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:54:01pm

re: #1075 Nevergiveup

23:26 U.S.: Syria can play positive roll in helping bring peace, stability to Mideast (Haaretz)

Syria reportedly stepping up production of chemical weapons

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Can ANYONE in the State department even read?

They can read, but they still think Syria can aid in bringing peace to the Mideast. Those chemical plants can help with the final solution to the violence.

1138 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:54:34pm

re: #923 Dustyvet

amen

1139 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:55:10pm

re: #1089 Guanxi88

Your lupins or your life!

"You must be out of your tiny mind!"

1140 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:55:17pm

re: #1092 Kosh's Shadow

You're Michael Bolton? How is it working at Initech?
/

Nah -- female.

1141 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:55:39pm

there she is boyz...eat yer heart out....


[Link: www.remarkablecars.com...]

1142 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:55:48pm

Can't make it as a journalist? Go join the campaign (D).

1143 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:55:50pm

re: #1129 The_Vig

While what you say, may in fact be true. The same thing has been said by many evil people in the past. The whole "go back to Africa" movement was very big with the clan and other racists. It is just like telling all of the Germans to get out after world war 2 or the Japanese. It plays into the hands of the left and paints us in a bad picture.

look dude, you called me a racist, which I am not. I would never say "send them back to Africa." But when someone who had had many privileges and is protected by anti discrimination laws is also demanding money for the privilege of living in this country, I say that if you want the money as payback for your ancestors having been brought here, you are really telling me that you'd rather be there.

1144 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:56:07pm

re: #1046 Ojoe

I think the round headlights are better than the square headlights.

1963's were round, here's a 1964

1145 Mirage  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:56:36pm

re: #1106 mikalm

Here in the Bay Area we've got middle-class Chinese-American kids that act like they came straight outta the projects. They're known as "chiggers."

Probably just as or even more annoying as their biting insect namesake.

1146 midwestgak  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:56:37pm

re: #1140 Empire1

Nah -- female.

Phoebe Snow?

1147 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:56:47pm

re: #1134 avanti

He is steering toward the center, just not the far rights center. We live in different bubbles, my happy, happy joy, joy, liberal, blue state bubble, your doom and gloom, the world as we know it is over bubble. Neither bubble has it right, even though we'll think it is if we don't venture outside now and then.

Avanti must be in line for some government handouts.

Ain't no doom and gloom from red states. We just don't want to have to pay for all your BS.

1148 albusteve  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:56:51pm

re: #1136 jcm

Don't laugh, he's consummated his relationship with the voters.

We got screwed.

yes, he's a consummate whore...nothing more

1149 brookly red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:56:57pm

re: #1137 Kosh's Shadow

sure would not want to be down wind from one when the accident happens/

1150 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:56:59pm

re: #1127 Sharmuta

No offense, because I love the Lizards, but I try to keep a bit of skepticism online.

You become friends with who you you want to. No one can see you until you give the OK.

1151 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:57:17pm

re: #1085 Kenneth

I've often wondered how actual African Americans feel about the wigger phenomenon. It reminds me of a modern urban version of the black face minstrel show performers, which doesn't help me like them any more. In my town we have a variation: Arab & Pakistani youth dressing & talking like African American rappers, even calling each other by the "n" world.

It is like a living caricature. Like I said they tend to date black women exclusively. While i mostly date out of my race because black men can't stand me, I will not date a wigger. I am not their type anyway. I am not into colloquialisms and hoochie mama stuff. They get upset if you dont wear cornrows and smell like coconut oil. icky

1152 Viking6  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:57:28pm

OK I am officially done with this administration. One at a time or all of them at once, alley of their choice , dirty down and will see who the coward(s) are.

/

1153 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:57:33pm

re: #1143 _RememberTonyC

Do you believe that there are different races?

1154 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:57:36pm

re: #1127 Sharmuta

No offense, because I love the Lizards, but I try to keep a bit of skepticism online.

Last time I signed up for something Lizard related using my real name and email adress, I got death threats so I dont participate in things like that anymore

1155 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:57:44pm

re: #1134 avanti

He is steering toward the center, just not the far rights center. We live in different bubbles, my happy, happy joy, joy, liberal, blue state bubble, your doom and gloom, the world as we know it is over bubble. Neither bubble has it right, even though we'll think it is if we don't venture outside now and then.

How little you know. I'm not the doom and gloomer. Have you LISTENED TO OBAMA?

I have abundant faith in the American people, in the all the ordinary folks who work, pay their bills and raise their families. They can do this this without Porkzilla, and do it much faster.

Porkzilla, is hardly center, it's hard left. We've done this before it was a miserable failure called the Great Depression.

1156 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:57:49pm

re: #1130 Spiny Norman

I'm not handy enough to go the 'fixer-upper' route. Whatever I get will need to be in good working order.

1157 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:57:58pm

re: #1149 brookly red

sure would not want to be down wind from one when the accident happens/

And we know accidents happen to Arab weapons plants. May Assad and Ahmadinejad be visiting at the time.

1158 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:58:02pm

re: #1115 midwestgak

Neal Diamond?

Nah. Female.

1159 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:58:05pm
1160 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:58:06pm

re: #1108 godfrey

Alright, I joined.

Me, too.

1161 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:58:39pm

Later, lizards. Gotta run.

1162 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:58:52pm

re: #1143 _RememberTonyC

look dude, you called me a racist, which I am not. I would never say "send them back to Africa." But when someone who had had many privileges and is protected by anti discrimination laws is also demanding money for the privilege of living in this country, I say that if you want the money as payback for your ancestors having been brought here, you are really telling me that you'd rather be there.

This is so very wrong but SO FUCKING RJGHT.

1163 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:59:21pm

re: #1154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Last time I signed up for something Lizard related using my real name and email adress, I got death threats so I dont participate in things like that anymore

It things like that, or maybe stalker blogs, that just makes one think twice.

1164 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:59:36pm

Should be "It's".

1165 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:59:37pm

re: #1146 midwestgak

Phoebe Snow?

Nope. Hey, I can see I'm going to really up my post count this way!

1166 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:59:39pm

re: #1158 Empire1

Nah. Female.

Neil Diamond?

1167 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 1:59:48pm
1168 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:00:01pm

re: #1106 mikalm

Here in the Bay Area we've got middle-class Chinese-American kids that act like they came straight outta the projects. They're known as "chiggers."

You take that back! It's chigroes.

1169 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:00:04pm

re: #1153 The_Vig

is that a trick question?

1170 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:00:12pm

" As you lie there ", said O'Brien, " you have often wondered - you have even asked me - why the Ministry of Love should expend so much time and trouble on you. And when you were free you were puzzled by what was essentially the same question. You could grasp the mechanics of the Society you lived in, but not its underlying motives. Do you remember writing in your diary, " I understand how: I do not understand why " ? It was when you thought about " why " that you doubted your own sanity. You have read the book, Goldstein's book, or parts of it, at least. Did it tell you anything that you did not know already ? "

" You have read it ? " said Winston.

" I wrote it. That is to say, I collaborated in writing it. No book is produced individually, as you know. "

" Is it true, what it says ? "

" A description, yes. The programme it sets forth is nonsense. The secret accumulation of knowledge - a gradual spread of enlightenment - ultimately a proletarian rebellion - the overthrow of the Party. You foresaw yourself that that was what it would say. It is all nonsense. The proletarians will never revolt, not in a thousand years or a million. They cannot. I do not have to tell you the reason: you know it already. If you have ever cherished any dreams of violent insurrection, you must abandon them. There is no way in which the Party can be overthrown. The rule of the Party is for ever. Make that the starting-point of your thoughts."

1171 brookly red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:00:34pm

re: #1157 Kosh's Shadow

you ask for too much...

1172 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:01:18pm

re: #1156 DeafDog

I'm not handy enough to go the 'fixer-upper' route. Whatever I get will need to be in good working order.

The market for restored Mustangs (and '60s muscle cars in general) is pretty soft right now, so finding one at a reasonable price shouldn't be too difficult.

1173 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:01:24pm

" You are ruling over us for our own good ", he said feebly. " You believe that human beings are not fit to govern themselves, and therefore - "

He started and almost cried out. A pang of pain had shot through his body. O'Brien had pushed the lever of the dial up to thirty-five.

" That was stupid, Winston, stupid ! " he said. " You should know better than to say a thing like that."

He pulled the lever back and continued :

" Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness : only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me ? "

1174 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:01:30pm
1175 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:02:00pm

Darn it! I keep trying to join, but I keep getting "Oops
Something went wrong. We're working on getting this fixed as soon as we can. You may be able to try again."

Yet I see others are managing to sign up. What am I doing wrong? Latest Firefox, Windows XP Home, NoScript set up to allow Facebook ...

1176 Ruebacca  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:02:32pm

So Rush Limbaugh is courageous for McNabb and "Barack the Magic Negro."

1177 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:02:52pm

re: #1027 Eowyn2

that had to hurt.

I sincerely hope the umbrella was undamaged.

1178 VioletTiger  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:02:57pm

re: #952 redstateredneck

That's funny that you should post that as I've been thinking about setting up a facebook account. My college freshman daughter begged me not to. I guess she thinks I'm going to be creeping up on her friends or something.


My daughter refuses to be my friend. Apparently, friends can see everything and everybody in your life.

1179 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:03:42pm

re: #1175 Empire1

Darn it! I keep trying to join, but I keep getting "Oops
Something went wrong. We're working on getting this fixed as soon as we can. You may be able to try again."

Yet I see others are managing to sign up. What am I doing wrong? Latest Firefox, Windows XP Home, NoScript set up to allow Facebook ...

It was easy for me. email addy and pass word. A and away/good to go

1180 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:03:43pm

re: #1154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Last time I signed up for something Lizard related using my real name and email adress, I got death threats so I dont participate in things like that anymore

Wow. I don't blame you for not joining.

Incidentally, Pamela is still listed as a member. It's an open group, so there's nothing to be done about it unless the administrators choose to make it a closed group and disinvite her.

1181 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:03:44pm

CA (R)s Kick out a RINO out of leadership!

California’s Senate remained deadlocked over a plan to raise taxes to help close the state’s $42 billion budget shortfall as Republicans replaced their leader who sought to build support for the plan.

Signs of spine.

1182 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:03:58pm

re: #1173 Guanxi88

*shiver*

1183 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:04:03pm

re: #1173 Guanxi88

Thanks ever so much for that little ray of sunshine on an otherwise dreary day. Just point me to the euthanasia booth, please.

1184 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:04:09pm

re: #1147 DeafDog

Avanti must be in line for some government handouts.

Ain't no doom and gloom from red states. We just don't want to have to pay for all your BS.

Some of the red states will make out like a bandit. Many of them get back more in federal money then they pay in taxes. The poorer the state. the more help they get.

1185 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:05:25pm

re: #1181 jcm

CA (R)s Kick out a RINO out of leadership!

California’s Senate remained deadlocked over a plan to raise taxes to help close the state’s $42 billion budget shortfall as Republicans replaced their leader who sought to build support for the plan.

Signs of spine.

Remarkable.

1186 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:06:16pm

re: #1182 scottishbuzzsaw

*shiver*

re: #1183 calcajun

Thanks ever so much for that little ray of sunshine on an otherwise dreary day. Just point me to the euthanasia booth, please.

1984 is super creepy; O'Brien in particular is such a perfect distillation of everything we have to fear. He's more brutal, in some ways, than others, but trust me, the thoughts animating his torture of Winston are indistinguishable from those behind much of the pernicious and dangerous nonsense holding our nation captive.

Same ideology, different uniform.

1187 bulwrk  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:06:29pm

re: #1134 avanti

We live in different bubbles, my happy, happy joy, joy, liberal, blue state bubble,

Don't live in California do you?

1188 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:06:34pm

re: #1172 Spiny Norman

The market for restored Mustangs (and '60s muscle cars in general) is pretty soft right now, so finding one at a reasonable price shouldn't be too difficult.

That's come to my attention, too. :-)

I'm a month or two away from making the plunge. It's looking like a mustang or a Jeep....mustang has the advantage right now.

1189 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:06:47pm

re: #1072 Afrocity

I will take you up on that. Mount Kilimanjaro (Tanzania) please./

don't leave :)

1190 sarah  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:07:19pm

Mr. Holder,
Excuse me? Are you calling me a racist?

1191 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:07:30pm

re: #1184 avanti

Some of the red states will make out like a bandit. Many of them get back more in federal money then they pay in taxes. The poorer the state. the more help they get.

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

How very centrist.

1192 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:07:56pm

re: #1181 jcm

CA (R)s Kick out a RINO out of leadership!


Signs of spine.

Read that earlier. Thank God some of them are willing to fight for whats right.

1193 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:08:19pm

re: #1190 sarah

Mr. Holder,
Excuse me? Are you calling me a racist?

Yes. Yes, he is.

1194 cpuller  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:08:27pm

What a jackass.

1195 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:08:32pm

re: #1186 Guanxi88

1984 is super creepy; O'Brien in particular is such a perfect distillation of everything we have to fear. He's more brutal, in some ways, than others, but trust me, the thoughts animating his torture of Winston are indistinguishable from those behind much of the pernicious and dangerous nonsense holding our nation captive.

Same ideology, different uniform.

Take avanti - if he/she really believes the sort of stuff posted under the nic, then we see an embryonic O'Brien, don't we?

1196 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:09:11pm
1197 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:09:30pm

re: #1190 sarah

Mr. Holder,
Excuse me? Are you calling me a racist?

Good thing you did not say "Hey Eric' I may have thrown my joys again//

1198 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:09:51pm

re: #1140 Empire1

Nah -- female.

Elizabeth Taylor?

1199 HippieforLife  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:09:56pm

re: #1031 capitalist piglet

Obama has perfected talking out of both sides of his mouth.

And his nether regions, too!

1200 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:09:58pm

re: #1184 avanti

Some of the red states will make out like a bandit. Many of them get back more in federal money then they pay in taxes. The poorer the state. the more help they get.

Speaking as a transplant to a red state, we don't want it. Seems the spirit here is self-reliance.

1201 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:00pm

re: #1176 Ruebacca

So Rush Limbaugh is courageous for McNabb and "Barack the Magic Negro."

Non sequitur

1202 code red 21  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:18pm

re: #1143 _RememberTonyC

look dude, you called me a racist, which I am not. I would never say "send them back to Africa." But when someone who had had many privileges and is protected by anti discrimination laws is also demanding money for the privilege of living in this country, I say that if you want the money as payback for your ancestors having been brought here, you are really telling me that you'd rather be there.

DITTO

1203 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:36pm

re: #1179 Erik The Red

It was easy for me. email addy and pass word. A and away/good to go

OK, made it! (had to allow a sub-page, not just facebook). Now awaiting the confirmation e-mail.

1204 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:50pm

re: #1184 avanti

Many of them get back more in federal money then they pay in taxes. The poorer the state. the more help they get.

I'm just trying to figure you out, so help me here.

Do you consider this a good thing, yes or no?

1205 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:12:52pm

re: #1176 Ruebacca

So Rush Limbaugh is courageous for McNabb and "Barack the Magic Negro."

I don't know - what color is David Ehrenstein?

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

1206 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:12:55pm

I can't get past the frakkin' capthcha on Facebook!

1207 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:12:56pm

re: #1099 taxfreekiller

google Studebaker , see there are even 400 of them left

We have over 12,000 members in the Studebaker Drivers Club, maybe 100,000 left from 1852 wagons to the end. I've been buying and selling them for almost 50 years, but only full time for 10 years.

1208 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:13:33pm

re: #1187 bulwrk

We live in different bubbles, my happy, happy joy, joy, liberal, blue state bubble,

Don't live in California do you?

Nope Maryland.

1209 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:14:03pm

re: #1188 DeafDog

That's come to my attention, too. :-)

I'm a month or two away from making the plunge. It's looking like a mustang or a Jeep....mustang has the advantage right now.

Once you find one you like, before you make the puchase have a mechanic you trust check it for hidden problems, like rust. Especially rust. The cowl and footwells (and under the battery) are typical. You'd be surprised how many "restored" cars have rust problems in those areas.

1210 HippieforLife  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:15:43pm

It amazes me how fast this current administration is taking us down. It hasn't even been an entire MONTH and they have probably spent more already than the Bush administration did in 8 years. They are drunk with power. I am truly worried. What in the hell will they do next MONTH!

1211 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:15:47pm

re: #1184 avanti

Some of the red states will make out like a bandit. Many of them get back more in federal money then they pay in taxes. The poorer the state. the more help they get.

I'm old school - A real man wants to earn his own way and does not want to be given a handout (sorry if that comes across as sexist....in the early 21st century, I guess a real man or a real woman). Shame on you for taking one.

Handouts perpetuate themselves and create a dependency culture both for yourself and your community.

No state or company that takes bailout money will truly benefit - you'll just keep leeches in power longer.

1212 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:16:31pm

re: #1206 UberInfidel67

I can't get past the frakkin' capthcha on Facebook!

It is so kool to see everyone's pictures on facebook. I will upload some more. I have my cute pet pictures.

1213 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:16:31pm

re: #1203 Empire1

OK, made it! (had to allow a sub-page, not just facebook). Now awaiting the confirmation e-mail.

Work me out and send me a request. Hint 44 first 100 minutes is my icon.

1214 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:17:40pm

re: #1204 Silhouette

I'm just trying to figure you out, so help me here.

Do you consider this a good thing, yes or no?

Yes, I do. If some kid in West Virgina is getting a substandard education, they should get more federal help then a rich state that has first class schools for example. Yep, that's income redistribution on the federal level and it's not new.

1215 irongrampa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:18:17pm

I would suggest, in the matter of reparations, that the gov't come and personally collect my share.


Might want to bring lunch, too.

1216 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:18:28pm

re: #1212 Afrocity
I just signed up...that worked OK. But to join the LGF group, I kept typing the captchas in but they kept coming. I know I was typing them correctly. I will try again.

1217 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:20:49pm

re: #1214 avanti

Yes, I do. If some kid in West Virgina is getting a substandard education, they should get more federal help then a rich state that has first class schools for example. Yep, that's income redistribution on the federal level and it's not new.

Do you believe that throwing money at education is the primary answer?
If that's true the Chicago Public School System must be turning out scholars.

1218 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:21:32pm

re: #1151 Afrocity
"and smell like coconut oil"

There's a time and a place for everything..........

1219 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:21:43pm

re: #1209 Spiny Norman

Once you find one you like, before you make the puchase have a mechanic you trust check it for hidden problems, like rust. Especially rust. The cowl and footwells (and under the battery) are typical. You'd be surprised how many "restored" cars have rust problems in those areas.

Thanks for the head's up.

I've actually heard funny stories about Fred Flintonstone-like floorboards on the older Stangs.

1220 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:21:43pm

re: #1214 avanti

Yes, I do. If some kid in West Virgina is getting a substandard education, they should get more federal help then a rich state that has first class schools for example. Yep, that's income redistribution on the federal level and it's not new.

So, just to clarify (and I'm a former Mountaineer): If WV schools are lousy because of local poverty, the solution is to take funds from another place, where the schools aren't lousy, because the people there have a functioning economy?

Do I really understand you to say that it is acceptable for, e.g., Texas, to subsidize the education of West Virginia's schoolchildren? If so, then what, in principle, is the objection to the people of West Virginia ponying up free coal to the other states paying their freight? Why the hell should I have to pay for oranges from California, for example, since my tax dollars help to pay for the over-burdened schools and hospitals there?

1221 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:22:00pm

re: #1174 taxfreekiller

correct questions and references at a car show in the correct blue
state together with the 400 number should pull up the ID.

loose lips sink ships

Navy should know that .

Can I help you find the ID you seek ? No need to play detective if you want to know more about me.

1222 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:22:06pm
1223 librum  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:22:15pm

*covers face with hand*

And we've got years of this ahead. So dispiriting. I'd be in a bad enough mood if only the economy was in the tank, but this current slate of federal officials is an abomination.

1224 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:22:35pm

Screw it. I just did 10 more captchas and still can't get my post up.

1225 Neo_  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:22:53pm

Just in time .. a cartoon that’s racial ..

Image: 02182009.jpg

.. or is it ?

1226 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:23:11pm
1227 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:23:20pm

re: #1217 opnion

Do you believe that throwing money at education is the primary answer?
If that's true the Chicago Public School System must be turning out scholars.

No, I actually think canning bad teachers and rewarding good ones is the best way to go.

1228 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:16pm

re: #1214 avanti

Yes, I do. If some kid in West Virgina is getting a substandard education, they should get more federal help then a rich state that has first class schools for example. Yep, that's income redistribution on the federal level and it's not new.

This assumes a corollary between amount of money spent per student and scholastic results, which is a complete myth. California spends more money per student than almost any other state, and yet has terrible SAT scores.

1229 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:45pm

re: #1225 Neo_

Just in time .. a cartoon that’s racial ..

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

.. or is it ?

o my

1230 Empire1  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:55pm

re: #1213 Erik The Red

Work me out and send me a request. Hint 44 first 100 minutes is my icon.

Will do, and thanks again for all your help. :)

1231 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:59pm

re: #1227 avanti

No, I actually think canning bad teachers and rewarding good ones is the best way to go.

But, you're not opposed to pulling in "extra" money from other states to do it, are you?

1232 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:25:17pm

re: #1227 avanti

No, I actually think canning bad teachers and rewarding good ones is the best way to go.

And the NEA donates to which party?

1233 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:25:41pm

Here is the thing. Every conversation about race leads to someone being branded a racist. If you have a race conversation that does not lead to the moniker of racist being tossed about, post it. In the discussion of your post someone will be accused of being a racist. It always happens.

Because of this it is obvious that since we cannot talk about race we should maybe move away from the concept of race. Luckily, the more we learn about humanity and our origins it becomes clearer and clearer that the whole notion is an illusion.

We just need to take the next step. Ridicule those that think that there is such a thing as race.

1234 irongrampa  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:25:48pm

re: #1219 DeafDog
Definitely check the floorboards, also front crossmember and inner fenderwells, down low. Ford used a unibody, and they rotted quick there, plus the inner rockers.

1235 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:26:08pm

Looks to me as though West Virginia has made out all right as far as pork is concerned.

Robert C. Byrd Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd's hometown)
Robert C. Byrd National Technology Transfer Center at Wheeling Jesuit University
Robert C. Byrd Highway
Robert C. Byrd Federal Correctional Institution
Robert C. Byrd High School
Robert C. Byrd Freeway
Robert C. Byrd Center for Hospitality and Tourism
Robert C. Byrd Science Center
Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center of West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd Cancer Research Center

Robert C. Byrd Technology Center at Alderson-Broaddus College
Robert C. Byrd Hardwood Technologies Center, near Princeton
Robert C. Byrd Bridge between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio
Robert C. Byrd addition to the lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling
Robert C. Byrd Community Center, Pine Grove
Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarships
Robert C. Byrd Expressway, U.S. 52 near Weirton
Robert C. Byrd Institute in Charleston
Robert C. Byrd Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing
Robert C. Byrd Visitor Center at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park
Robert C. Byrd Federal Courthouse
Robert C. Byrd Academic and Technology Center
Robert C. Byrd United Technical Center
Robert C. Byrd Federal Building (there are two)
Robert C. Byrd Hilltop Office Complex
Robert C. Byrd Library and Robert C. Byrd Learning Resource Center
Robert C. Byrd Rural Health Center

Robert C. Byrd Clinical Addition to the veteran's hospital in Huntington

Robert C. Byrd Industrial Park, Hardy County

Robert C. Byrd Scholastic Recognition Award

Robert C. Byrd Community Center in the naval station, Sugar Grove
Robert C. Byrd Clinic at the West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine
Robert C. Byrd Biotechnology Science Center at Marshall University

Robert C. Byrd Academic and Technology Center
Robert C. Byrd addition to the lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling
Byrd Aerospace Technology Center
Robert C. Byrd Bridge between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio
Robert C. Byrd Cancer Research Center
Robert C. Byrd Clinical Addition to the veteran's hospital in Huntington
Robert C. Byrd Community Center, Pine Grove
Robert C. Byrd Community Center in the naval station, Sugar Grove
Robert C. Byrd Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd's hometown)
Robert C. Byrd Expressway, U.S. 22 near Weirton
Robert C. Byrd Federal Building
Robert C. Byrd Federal Courthouse
Robert C. Byrd Freeway
Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope
Robert C. Byrd Hardwood Technologies Center, near Princeton
Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center of West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd High school in Bridgeport
Robert C. Byrd Highway
Robert C. Byrd Hilltop Office Complex, Mineral County
Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarships
Robert C. Byrd Industrial Park, Hardy County
Robert C. Byrd Institute in Charleston
Robert C. Byrd Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing
Robert C. Byrd Library and Robert C. Byrd Learning Resource Center
Robert C. Byrd Life Long Learning Center
Robert C. Byrd Locks and Dam
Robert C. Byrd National Technology Transfer Center
Robert C. Byrd Rural Health Center
Robert C. Byrd Scholastic Recognition Award
Byrd Science Center, Shepherd University
Robert C. Byrd Technology Center at Alderson-Broaddus College
Robert C. Byrd United Technical Center
Robert C. Byrd Visitor Center at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park


There may be a few repetitions, but it's probably not the current list.

1236 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:26:42pm

re: #1228 rawmuse

This assumes a corollary between amount of money spent per student and scholastic results, which is a complete myth. California spends more money per student than almost any other state, and yet has terrible SAT scores.

Tell me about it, DC schools are the same. It takes more then money to teach.

1237 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:27:18pm

re: #1236 avanti

Tell me about it, DC schools are the same. It takes more then money to teach.

So why would you throw more money at them?

1238 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:30:21pm
1239 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:31:19pm

re: #1227 avanti

No, I actually think canning bad teachers and rewarding good ones is the best way to go.

You are right, that is the crux of the problem. The issue is getting around the Teachers Unions & it doesn't look good.
That still begs the question, what good will throwing money at it do?

1240 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:31:50pm

re: #1231 Guanxi88

But, you're not opposed to pulling in "extra" money from other states to do it, are you?

I don't think anyone has ever proposed that states get the same share of monies paid in. The richer states have always helped support the poor. If you changed that, I don't know what would happen to states like West Virginia and Georgia, and the rest.

1241 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:32:27pm

re: #1236 avanti

Tell me about it, DC schools are the same. It takes more then money to teach.

It's not the money.....

The results are striking. Consider a representative minority student in an urban public school. The student is representative in the following sense: Based on his observed characteristics, his predicted probability of graduating equals the overall graduation rate for urban minorities in public schools, 62 percent. Now consider an urban, Catholic school student with the same observed characteristics (namely, parent's education, parent's occupation, family structure, and reading materials at home). The predicted graduation rate for this student is 88 percent.
1242 DeafDog  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:32:47pm

re: #1214 avanti

Yes, I do. If some kid in West Virgina is getting a substandard education, they should get more federal help then a rich state that has first class schools for example. Yep, that's income redistribution on the federal level and it's not new.


Another good intention that results in nothing but failure.

1243 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:33:06pm

re: #1233 The_Vig

Here is the thing. Every conversation about race leads to someone being branded a racist. If you have a race conversation that does not lead to the moniker of racist being tossed about, post it. In the discussion of your post someone will be accused of being a racist. It always happens.

Because of this it is obvious that since we cannot talk about race we should maybe move away from the concept of race. Luckily, the more we learn about humanity and our origins it becomes clearer and clearer that the whole notion is an illusion.

We just need to take the next step. Ridicule those that think that there is such a thing as race.

I don't agree with you. Mature people need to be able to discuss controversial topics, including race. Martin Luther King, Jr talked about race and if he hadn't, this country would be far worse off than it is. I am not afraid to be called names and I have discussed racial issues with Black friends and colleagues. The one caveat is that I never discuss race (in person) without knowing who I am discussing it with. Otherwise, there is a risk of being thought of as a racist (as you apparently consider me to be).

1244 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:33:38pm

re: #1237 J.D.

So why would you throw more money at them?

The money needs to be spent to attract and keep the best teachers. Obama needs to push for merit pay for example.

1245 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:33:44pm
1246 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:34:08pm

re: #1229 bellamags

o my

Hey bellamags you are also on thr LGF group site tag me

1247 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:34:22pm

re: #1238 taxfreekiller

J.D.

its easy its not his money, its your money

You mean to say he's another Democrat that doesn't pay his taxes?

1248 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:34:25pm

re: #1240 avanti

I don't think anyone has ever proposed that states get the same share of monies paid in. The richer states have always helped support the poor. If you changed that, I don't know what would happen to states like West Virginia and Georgia, and the rest.

No, and I never suggested some sort of reciprocity of tax dollars paid in versus paid out; too much to hope for.

What I was asking was, since WV schools - and infrastructure - are largely dependent upon funds taken from folks in other states, who have it, and WV simply doesn't, what, then is the objection to WV providing coal to states that don't have it but need it? Same deal with oranges from California. What's the objection?

1249 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:35:15pm

re: #1243 _RememberTonyC

We are all racists. It is the fault of society. I am just trying to help. I don't want all of us to end up like MLK.

1250 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:35:53pm

re: #1244 avanti

The money needs to be spent to attract and keep the best teachers. Obama needs to push for merit pay for example.

Of course there won't be any bias in deciding who's deserving.

/

Get real.

1251 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:37:02pm

re: #1244 avanti

The money needs to be spent to attract and keep the best teachers. Obama needs to push for merit pay for example.

Teachers unions won't go for the last one, we all know it.

As for the first one - money doesn't motivate; you could pay salaries at 10 times the national average, and I guarantee you there would no significant change in the outcomes.

1252 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:37:44pm
1253 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:38:55pm
1254 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:39:35pm

re: #1248 Guanxi88

No, and I never suggested some sort of reciprocity of tax dollars paid in versus paid out; too much to hope for.

What I was asking was, since WV schools - and infrastructure - are largely dependent upon funds taken from folks in other states, who have it, and WV simply doesn't, what, then is the objection to WV providing coal to states that don't have it but need it? Same deal with oranges from California. What's the objection?

Nice in principle, but giving away a state resource to even the books is just a additional tax on a state that's poor in the first place. The state would have to buy the coal or oranges to give away, so they'd just be chasing their tail.

1255 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:41:17pm
1256 Sarita  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:42:54pm

Just wait till Holder starts after our guns. Through back doors, of course.

1257 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:43:02pm

re: #1251 Guanxi88

Teachers unions won't go for the last one, we all know it.

As for the first one - money doesn't motivate; you could pay salaries at 10 times the national average, and I guarantee you there would no significant change in the outcomes.

One of the problems with the teaching profession is that it fails to attract the most knowledgeable people in any given discipline. For example, the best at science go to private industry or research at the college level, not secondary education. I believe that is partially due to the dramatic pay differential.

If we could somehow overcome that issue, we might have a better chance at attracting highly skilled teaching staff in place of those who go into it on their way to their MRS. degree.

1258 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:43:04pm

re: #1244 avanti

The money needs to be spent to attract and keep the best teachers. Obama needs to push for merit pay for example.


Not going to happen. Obama does not want to alienate the unions, he owes too much to them. Also, I don't see anything in Obama that makes me believe that he actually believes in the merit system. He seems to think that other people's money is the answer.

1259 avanti  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:43:11pm

re: #1251 Guanxi88

Teachers unions won't go for the last one, we all know it.

As for the first one - money doesn't motivate; you could pay salaries at 10 times the national average, and I guarantee you there would no significant change in the outcomes.

I think the teaching profession is undervalued in America. If teacher pay was higher, I think it would make it a more attractive profession. Some day, some how, the teacher unions will have to stop protecting substandard teachers stop refusing merit pay plans.

1260 Suzette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:43:36pm

re: #400 Sharmuta

I think everyone should check off "other" on their Census forms.

Sharm I think you are on to something there....I have Indian in me, Irish, Canadian French, German and a host of other types in my bloodline.

To be frank this is the first time in my lifetime I have seen so much crap coming from a newly elected president and his staff and appointments. It saddens me. Instead of unity they are trying to divide.

1261 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:43:53pm

re: #1129 The_Vig

Abraham Lincoln started the "Back to Africa" movement. Enough freed American slaves participated that it enabled the founding of the African nation of Liberia.

1262 Suzette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:45:28pm

re: #1110 unreconstructed rebel

Where I come from chiggers are little red bugs that bite.


And repeatedly! Got some in my shirt and my whole back was covered by bites!

1263 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:47:53pm

re: #1225 Neo_

Just in time .. a cartoon that’s racial ..

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

.. or is it ?

I think that is pretty self explanatory... Pelosi and Reid hand their hands all over the writing of the PORKULUS, and they both have less common sense than that poor chimp.

1264 opnion  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:48:10pm

re: #1259 avanti

I think the teaching profession is undervalued in America. If teacher pay was higher, I think it would make it a more attractive profession. Some day, some how, the teacher unions will have to stop protecting substandard teachers stop refusing merit pay plans.


Avanti, they're unions, they believe in seniority & tenure protection , not merit.
I had some up close experience with Chicago Public Schools. Many of the teachers & I mean many are semi literate & do not even have to test out in their subject. Sweet!

1265 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:48:43pm

OK.

Which one of you is the chick with the gun in Buffalo?

1266 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:53:06pm

re: #1214 avanti

Yes, I do. If some kid in West Virgina is getting a substandard education, they should get more federal help then a rich state that has first class schools for example. Yep, that's income redistribution on the federal level and it's not new.

No, redistribution isn't new. We all know THAT.

Thank you for your reply.

I admire your choice of education as an example. It is the one area where most people have socialist sympathies, including myself. And roads. Beyond that, I cannot stand socialism.

But we know spending does not equal quality. Or even correlate, really.

West Virginia, BTW, spends about $10000/year/pupil. For reference, my children's private school is about $4000/year/pupil and all the kids score in the top 20% nationwide.

DC spends about $16,500/year/pupil. D.C.'s graduation rate is 69%. West Virginia's rate is between 77-84%.

The lowest, BTW, were Arizona and Utah, at just over $5,500 each. WIth graduation rates at 75-85%, about the same as WV. And much better than DC.

1267 The_Vig  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:53:37pm

re: #1261 quickjustice

Yea, that didn't turn out so well now did it.

I could never wish upon anyone being forced to live in Africa.

Constant civil war. Even in the stable parts.

1268 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:53:45pm

re: #1176 Ruebacca

Limbaugh is no more courageous than Walter Mondale's Vice Presidential choice-- what was her name?-- who said publicly that the only reason Obama was competitive against Clinton was because of his race. And the Shanklin "Magic Negro" song was satire, based upon a column written by an L.A. Times columnist, a Hillary operative, who coined the term in an effort to damage Obama.

Limbaugh was very skilled at playing Hillary off against Obama-- witness "Operation Chaos." Is he courageous? He's made a successful career out of puncturing liberal fantasies and blunders. I'll call him courageous when Obama's thugs shut him down.

1269 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:54:07pm

re: #1214 avanti

Yes, I do. If some kid in West Virgina is getting a substandard education, they should get more federal help then a rich state that has first class schools for example. Yep, that's income redistribution on the federal level and it's not new.

And thus we see how good intentions cross the moral boundary in to ordinary banditry.

1270 bruinsrule  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:56:34pm

What an embarrassment.

1271 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:57:16pm

re: #1259 avanti

I respect great teachers. At the same time, public school teachers here in NY are extremely well paid for what they do. Adding together salary, benefits, and three months summer vacation, NY public school teachers average compensation well in excess of $100,000 per year. Relative to their skill sets and educations, that's excellent pay. I'd even venture to say that in some cases, they're overpaid.

1272 Miles Smit  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:01:40pm

None of us is truly surprised. When you favour the aggressive paternalism for which Mr. Holder is known, you hold patronising attitudes, which you normally keep out of view, unless of course you are part of an Administration, flush with overconfidence, which is letting it all hang out.

For every tax problem that was scrutinized, a bit more resistance should have been given to Mr. Holder's nomination.

1273 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:02:31pm

re: #1249 The_Vig

Give me a break! The people who run and hide when they're accused of racism are the racists. In my experience, that's generally true of most white N.Y. Democrats. It's the reason Al Sharpton controls the N.Y. Democratic Party. He only controls 10% of the votes, but in a close election, that's determinative.

1274 baconeatingkaffir  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:04:43pm

Iam confused about the Union thing. The teachers here in the government school system Turkey make no money but they dont have unions. Generally, the ones in the villages are taken care of by the families of their students. They make about $1500 a month if they are lucky. The ones in the private system fare a bit better. However, teachers are fired if too many students pass or too many students fail classes. Maybe that's the standards that should be set in the US. Its embarrassing the products that the universities are crankingout lately. We actually had a girl at one of the crip courses where I used to work who didnt know that there used to be two Germanies and that the Air Force doesn't have aircraft carriers. She also couldnt tell me the difference between a gerund and an adjective.

1275 baconeatingkaffir  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:05:52pm

re: #1273 quickjustice

Give me a break! The people who run and hide when they're accused of racism are the racists. In my experience, that's generally true of most white N.Y. Democrats. It's the reason Al Sharpton controls the N.Y. Democratic Party. He only controls 10% of the votes, but in a close election, that's determinative.


Yes but you don't understand the Reverand Al. He subscribes to that great school of thought that alot of my old troops used to subscribe to. "I can't be racist because I'm black". *spew*

1276 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:07:05pm

re: #1274 baconeatingkaffir

Here's a website that explains labor union power in New York:

[Link: www.albanyinc.com...]

Basically, labor unions, including teachers unions, control state government. That means that they control the people who are supposed to be managing them.

1277 Guanxi88  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:07:46pm

re: #1254 avanti

Nice in principle, but giving away a state resource to even the books is just a additional tax on a state that's poor in the first place. The state would have to buy the coal or oranges to give away, so they'd just be chasing their tail.

So, then, redistibution is objected to on practical grounds? Fine, then, we'll just stick to money.

Since money is the fruit of labor, and since money is that which is redistributed, then, in effect, are you not promoting and encouraging the involuntary servitude of one productive population for the benefit and support of another?

That is, assume money didn't exist - you're then advocating either the forced transport of goods or workers. There's a name for that.

1278 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:08:20pm

re: #1266 Silhouette

BTW, on my own comment, when I was looking up state graduation rates, it listed an overall rate, then broke it down along major ethnic lines: white, black, native American, hispanic, asian, etc. But on the DC one, it only showed white, asian, and hispanic. Odd.

1279 quickjustice  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:08:26pm

re: #1275 baconeatingkaffir

I understand Sonny Carson. And Sharpton was a disciple of his. So yes, I understand racial demagogue Sharpton.

1280 cartoonboy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:09:37pm

Eric Holder 1st act as AG: form the Racial Sensitivity Corps, a mandatory 1 year indoctrination program for highschool students.

1281 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:11:17pm

re: #1274 baconeatingkaffir

We actually had a girl at one of the crip courses where I used to work who didnt know that there used to be two Germanies and that the Air Force doesn't have aircraft carriers. She also couldnt tell me the difference between a gerund and an adjective.

I'm going to go crawl under my bed now.

1282 Aloha girl  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:15:45pm

I'm sure y'all already know this....but there is actually a book for children called "Mama voted for Obama!" Yikes.

1283 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:20:19pm

re: #1282 Aloha girl

I'm sure y'all already know this....but there is actually a book for children called "Mama voted for Obama!" Yikes.

Not very diverse is it....
It needs to be re-written, "Both my Mama's voted for Obama."

1284 wltzacrsstxs  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:29:08pm

Holder, you ignorant slut.

Try that "coward" bullshit on the thousands upon thousands of men who were blown to bits fighting to end slavery. I'd like to see you walk into cannon fire on behalf of people you've never met before you throw around the "coward" meme.

You are a chickenshit piece of crap politician. Clean the guano from your own garden before you start criticizing someone else's.

Signed, the great-great-great-great-great granddaughter of T.C. Boylan, Private, U.S.A., 1862-1865.

1285 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:33:42pm
1286 Sosigado  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:49:07pm

Look for the backpedaling on this one to begin tomorrow, if it hasn't already. It will start with "Holder was taken out of context" and "he really didn't mean it that way" or "he should have been more nuanced". The first 30 days of this administration are very reminiscent of the beginning of the first Clintoon term. Obama and his handlers are giddily drunk with their newfound power as America's overlords. They're like crazed bulls in a china shop. They've learned nothing from Gramsci and Alinski. Much like Hillary Clinton's blitzkrieg designed to ramrod socialized healthcare down America's collective piehole, this administration is throwing all caution to the wind in its rabid desire to undermine a free, capitalist society. There are none of the stealth tactics advocated by the social re-engineering traditionalists. We are witnessing an utterly transparent assault upon the Constitution of The United States of America.

1287 Joan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:04:00pm

re: #12 capitalist piglet

This administration is just unbelievable. Can you believe it's only been a month?

It will be a miracle if we're here in four years.

Obama has NO control over his Cabinet or his intimates. Maybe a good thing--it's all right out there, isn't it.

1288 Joan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:06:45pm

re: #338 winston06

They have already started it. Next is "Fairness Doctrine" and then re-training camps for coward-racist Americans.
Frogmarch: We must be cleansed of impure words, thoughts and expressions. We are lowly cowardly racists. Corruptocrats know what's best.

I love Big Brother.

"Brother gonna' work it out," the placard says

1289 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:11:42pm

re: #1284 wltzacrsstxs

1,000 updings sir.

1290 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:18:43pm

re: #1286 Sosigado

He can backpedal all he wants. I am not going to forget what I have been called.

I cannot believe what is happening in my country.

1291 kywrite  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:28:45pm

I'm sitting here going over opening conversational lines in my head.

"So, what's it like being black? Do you really have great rhythm?"

"Are you completely black, or do you have white rapist ancestors?"

"When was the last time you were put in jail because you are black?"

I mean, get real. I don't talk about it because it's rude and, frankly, I stop noticing someone's color after the first few words come out of their mouths. After that, I classify them as "idiot -- don't want to know them -- abort conversation!" or "hm -- someone with something interesting to say." Taking into account racial proportions, I'd say no race really has more idiots or interesting people, at least in my experience. So -- am I racist because I just don't notice? Of course this isn't about conversations -- it's about reparations, cold hard cash William Jefferson style.

Oh, and speaking of that -- what are they going to do with reparations for people like the Melungeons? We have no idea of how many tri-racial isolates there are in the country -- most of us don't know it if we have that ancestry, or that it even exists. (I only learned about them last year, but it sure explained my family's tendency toward dark skin and curly hair -- and that remarkably African-looking "Indian" ancestor of mine. )

So, if I'm, like, one/thirty-second black, do I get reparations? Or do I get excused from paying them, at least? Help me out here -- how does this work?

/jeez.

1292 Joan  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:38:08pm

re: #428 FrogMarch

The democrats will not allow us to be a color-blind society. They are married to grievance theater, identity politics and race baiting.

I find it offensive to fill out check-box race questions on government forms. At what point will we be allowed to move on?

NEVER.

Not ever. The payoffs are just too good for the Left. A match made in Utopia: socialism, racialism, tribalism, environmentalism, multiculturalism, globalism.

Living as a conservative, a Catholic, a patriot among these Marxist ingrates, constantly exposed to this bilge, feels like a never ending case of the flu.

1293 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:41:51pm
1294 onepistoffyid  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:52:15pm

re: #369 DistantThunder

This is a shot across of the bow of White Americans to goad us into conversation, any piece or portion of which will then be construed as racist.

When I was in graduate school at Seton Hall, which school I do not recommend, we had a black, lesbian teacher, who wore some kind of african clothing. Fine. We had a discussion about race and I said I was raised not to talk about or even pay attention to a person's skin color, and she replied:

Oh, we want you to pay attention to our skin color because it is an important part of who we are.

I had been re- and Mis-educated.

Holder's statement is an outrage and affront to all that America stands for. As the highest law enforcement officer in the land, how dare he denigrate the country that fought a bloody civil war to liberate his ancestors. Were the white troops who fought at Gettysburg cowards? And you are right, this comments was directed at Whites, not blacks.

The Obamites are intent on dividing this country by race even more than it is, because race is their political trump card, and they know it.

1295 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:56:54pm

Obama is president. This is part of the race pimp stimulus package. Fuck him.

1296 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:18:34pm
1297 tradewind  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:23:11pm

My lawyer-laden family has been disturbed more by the Holder appointment more than by any thing else BHO has done.
He will be a disaster.

1298 The Undead Buddy Holly  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:29:43pm

One need only to look at two hundred years of immigration debate to reach that, not unwarranted conclusion.

OMG! They'll take our jobz!

1299 wiffersnapper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:32:30pm

It's cowardly to not give preferential treatment to minorites, but to rather treat them as equals? Thanks for letting me know!

1300 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:40:02pm

re: #953 calcajun

Exactly--which is why the whole issue of reparations should be tossed into history's dustbin.

Excellent. You and I are in agreement then.

1301 dragondirt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:47:09pm

Holder is freakin pathetic! The country just elected a black man to the most powerful position in the world and we are still having this conversation?

As far as I'm concerned, the race issue is a closed case. Yes, there still is racism out there, but there always will be. And to say we are still acting like we are in the 1950's, leads me to believe that Holder is not only smoking something, he is also living on a completely different planet! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. This REALLY makes me angry! [note to self, dragondirt...think happy thoughts] :)

www.dragondirt.org (shameless plug) :)

1302 leereyno  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:47:38pm

Someone should really take the time to educate this man.

Race does not exist. It, unlike gender, is purely a social construct.

Geographic isolation resulted in genetic drift, which over thousands of years resulted in the inheritable physiological distinctions that most people interpret as race. But these distinctions are no more significant that the color of paint on a car. Cars are not categorized based on paint color, but upon substantive differences between makes and models.

But because human beings are so fundamentally the same, we hallucinate differences between people based upon genetic idiosyncrasies that are an accident of genetic isolation.

The good news is that race will not always be a concept that anyone believes in. The genetic isolation which resulted in these genetic distinctions is quickly becoming a think of the past. Human beings are migrating all over the world. More importantly they are marrying each other and blending these bloodlines back together. In the future someone like Halley Berry, who manifests the physical characteristics of two distinct bloodlines, will be the rule, not the exception.

Concepts like "Black", "White", "Asian", etc will no longer make much sense because everyone will simultaneously be some or all of the above.

1303 leereyno  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:53:20pm

re: #1301 dragondirt

And to say we are still acting like we are in the 1950's, leads me to believe that Holder is not only smoking something, he is also living on a completely different planet!

He's from the town of racecard on the planet tribalism in the galaxy grievancetheater.

1304 leereyno  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:57:45pm

re: #1294 onepistoffyid


The Obamites are intent on dividing this country by race even more than it is, because race is their political trump card, and they know it.

It is Gramscian Marxism 101. You can't divide a country by wealth when there is economic opportunity, so you fall back on tribalism in order to destroy the country.

They don't want things to get better, they want to make things worse.

1305 huckfunn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:20:51pm

The arrogance of the Obama administration should become an on ongoing, open thread. This goon has the gall to collectively call the nation that just hired him, cowards!?!?! Now that is real brass. And this bunch hasn't been in office for a month! What's next?

1306 Lasd02  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:33:02pm

My comments to USDOJ:
Dear Mr. Holder,

How dare you call us, "a nation of cowards."! I am offended and angered. This great nation has done more to help people of all races than any other on earth. I'm fairly certain that after the public outcry from your hurtful comment, your office will follow up with some statement about how you were misunderstood and/or misquoted but it's clear to me how you feel about this country and her people. I am not a coward but I am fearful for what the next 4 years holds in store for America if it is to be led by ignorant people such as you. Let's see, Elian Gonzalez, Marc Rich, Boricua Popular Army...yes Mr. Holder, I'm fearful.

1307 dragondirt  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:39:39pm

re: #1306 Lasd02

You're right. I expect their to be some public outcry from SOMEWHERE.

I bet right now he is hoping his statements go overlooked. What he said was inexcusable and I am outraged!

1308 theadmiral  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:44:30pm

We need to all get familiar with these 11 points. It's their playbook. It's completely unprecedented for a modern AG to give a speech on race, esp. one as inflammatory as this one. It's all part of their plan.

Alinksy's 11 rules straight from Rules for Radicals.

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”

Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage.”

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O’Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city’s reputation.

Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?”

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

This is nothing more than an attempt to divide us, to polarize the two sides, shore up their support, continue the chaos and serve as a distraction for something else being planned. It's bait pure and simple.

In a perverse way, yea we are cowards...... for being too scared to call out Sharpton, Jackson, Wright, Obama, et al for the race baiting hustlers they are. They are the racists. They are the cowards for not being truthful with blacks, for not wanting to create an environment for their success which would mean greater success for all of us. It's always been about power and it's clear that's all that matters to this regime.

I truly wonder how we're going to survive the next 4 years. Read the rules again....think about how exhausted we all are from the daily barrage of shit coming out of this regime. At some point, and I think some point soon, the American people will quickly tire of the doom and gloom and pessimism and chaos and drama and look somewhere for real hope. And we'll see this regime fail gloriously.

1309 Kronocide  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:48:18pm

I wonder if anybody else thinks this guy is an asshole.

Oh.... ohhh... that's a good case of foot in mouth you got there buddy.

1310 winston06  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:01:53pm

re: #1288 Joan

Big Brother is gonna get us all

1311 Sensible Remnant  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:30:40pm

Considering the fact that angry mobs with torches and pitchforks have not drug Holder and his handler Obama out of their perch of power and righteously beaten them, metaphorically speaking of course,
perhaps he is right.
You wonder what it will take for Americans to turn on these quislings.

1312 LauraO  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:39:33pm

To quote my avie
"how about a nice cup of shut the fuck up"

I can't belive this Dream Team has only been in place for a month. This is going to be a very long 4 years.

1313 Integritymatters  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:05:47pm

Does this mean that we now have permission to discuss the black crime rate, the black illegitimacy rate, the black drop-out rate and other highly inconvenient truths that we may generally not discuss for being labeled "racists"? Will the apologists for antisocial behavior now admit that they are a large part of the problem? Can we discuss the interesting behavior of the following people: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Charles Rangel, Kwame Kilpatrick, et al? Great!

1314 Timbre  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:07:10pm

My retirement day can't come soon enough. I may stay if it looks like rationale people will win in 2012. Otherwise, I'm putting in paperwork. And if I get in trouble for posting this, I'll let you know.

1315 huckfunn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:08:04pm
Office of the Attorney General

Here's how you can contact AG Holder... if you're not too much of a coward.

1316 Colonel Panik  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:49:01pm

re: #151 zombie

Never thought I'd say this, but I pine for the days of Edwin Meese and John Ashcroft.

John Ashcroft was the best friend the Second Amendment ever had in the Attorney Generals office. At least in modern times.

1317 Jim C.  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:01:47pm

Goddamned bastard. He's the attorney general, not the fucking supreme judge of America.

Put your money where your mouth is. Publish a list of topic/questions and I presume supposed answers that have been developed. Or go fuck yourself.

1318 redseeped  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 9:41:18pm

re: #1317 Jim C.

I sorta agree with the man: sensible people should step up more often and tell these race baiting mofo's to fuck off.

1319 rhythman  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:34:56pm

I'd like to personally say to the Attorney General of the United States, fuck you asshole. (I had to say it folks. I'm mad and frustrated. What have we elected to run the country? Not "who", but "what".

1320 bubbasbbq  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 2:24:58am

How sad that a person who has gained such a high position should come out and say such stupid things that do nothing but racebait. The net result is that crap like this will serve no purpose except drive decent fair minded people TOWARDS racism. Noone wants to be beat over the head or be sent on a guilt trip for things THEY HAVE NEVER DONE. With that I'll like to tell this half wit to go blow it out his ass.

1321 EricWRN  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 2:26:17am

I'm going out on a limb here but when I read the paragraph that phrase was taken out of I agreed. I took it to mean that on a personal level we don't discuss racial issues enough. The ironic part is that when you listen to the speech, he's clearly a coward himself because he refuses to make any concise points. So MY point is that this guy is clearly a grandstanding idiot BUT I think that phrase is being taken out of context.

P.S. - Is anyone else getting seriously creeped out by the almost MANDATORY invocation of Honest Abe in every speech by every democrat lately?

1322 Tricky Dick  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:34:45am

Maybe he's talking about the cowards who elected a man to the highest office in the land merely because of the color of his skin because they were afraid that voting for someone else would be perceived as racist.

1323 Throbert McGee  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:06:20am

re: #920 Guanxi88

It was in the fresh air
And we went as were
And we stated as we were,
Which was Hell!

I'd never heard Noel Coward's "Marvelous Party," but it immediately reminded me of Cole Porter's "Well, Did You Evah?":

(This clip is from De-Lovely with Kevin Kline as Porter -- the song was made famous by Sinatra and Crosby in High Society, but I prefer the faster tempo of the De-Lovely version.)

1324 Marlin925  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:35:03am

re: #1013 Scion9

One word, Quinine. Quinine wasn't around during the African importation phase of the slave trade. Euros couldn't go inland due to malaria. 99.9% of slaves were captured & sold by other Africans to Euro slave traders.

1325 Ron Shaw  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 12:46:06pm

More music for the ears and mouths of our enemies from the administration of hope and change...maybe, we are in need of some fist clenching...Obama and his fellow 'haters' are quickly becoming justification for such on the homefront! Newly minted self-loathing Americans. How much longer before the world loves us? My fists are cramping!

1326 Acesover8ts  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:25:25pm

I was thinking about this the other day when I read this. I have worked with black people and have absolutely no problem. They seem to think that when we are together that that is all we do is talk about them. Hell, the only time color registers in my mind is when they bring it up. Another point, I live in a city of over 100k and surrounded by whites people. I know one neighbors first and last name and no one else. If you think about it, if a neighbor was black and since we did not know his name or occupation then he would jump to the conclusion that we are racist. Since all my neighbors are white they do not have to jump to the conclusion that I am a racist. Personally I think they are just to unselfconscious but who am I to say since I have no idea of their personal life outside of work.


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