Shimon Peres Admits He Was Wrong

Israeli President Shimon Peres admits he was wrong about withdrawing from Gaza.

President Shimon Peres said Wednesday that he had erred in supporting Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from Gaza.

The revealing remarks come three years after Israel’s evacuation of the volatile coastal strip which has since been seized by Hamas.

“Whatever will happen in the future, we shall not repeat the mistakes we made in leaving Gaza,” Peres said in a question and answer session with a group of American Jewish leaders. “It should have been done otherwise. I was for leaving Gaza. I consider myself as one of the persons mistaken.”

This, of course, is not the first time Peres has been wrong, with disastrous results.

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130 comments
1 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:26pm

His mistake did not cost him anything.

2 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:38pm

maybe he should clench HIS fist

3 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:10:46pm

I wonder if this indicates which party he’ll ask first to form a coalition.

4 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:11:38pm

Fine, now go get your man out of Gaza and be ready to fight

5 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:11:59pm

Sounds to me like no more land for peace. All ‘land for peace” has gotten them is less land and more war.

6 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:12:28pm

Sell your own soul if you want, Mr. Peres, but these are not the days for selling your nation.

7 summergurl  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:13:07pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Sounds to me like no more land for peace. All ‘land for peace” has gotten them is less land and more war.

That’s what happens when you unclench your fist.

8 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:13:26pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Sounds to me like no more land for peace. All ‘land for peace” has gotten them is less land and more war.

Exactly.

This is going to be interesting, because I don’t think Israel has any friends left at the UN.

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:13:28pm

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

10 Adrenalyn  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:13:39pm

no, he did the right thing
the current regime needs to remind the “people” of Gaza that rocket and mortar attacks will not be tolerated
and more retaliation like recently will happen if the attacks continue

but that they will get more and more devastating each time

why be in a place that is so costly in kidnappings and suicide bombings ?

11 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:14:00pm
12 dhg4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:14:30pm

re: #3 Kosh’s Shadow

I wonder if this indicates which party he’ll ask first to form a coalition.

Actually that’s what David Hazony thinks. Good catch.

(Of course it’s possible he’ll still turn to Livni …)

13 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:14:38pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

Ouch!

14 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:14:44pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

And to cap it off, I bet you’re gonna get a bill!

15 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:15:12pm

Fine. Labor is no longer relevant in Israel, and Peres is an old Laborite. He does his best at ribbon cuttings. And that includes keeping silent on important issues. [rant off]

16 Shug  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:15:13pm

He’s still alive to admit he screwed up.

unfortunately, thanks to him, many Innocent Israelis aren’t

17 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:15:18pm

re: #9 Charles

an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

And we all know how much fun that is.

18 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:15:21pm

He was wrong. It cost Israel dearly. He admitted his mistake and has promised that he learned from it.

Do we know any American leaders who have done as much?

19 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:15:43pm

re: #14 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And to cap it off, I bet you’re gonna get a bill!

It should cost about 230.

20 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:16:10pm

re: #19 Bloodnok

It should cost about 230.

230 (tooth hurty).

I slay me.

21 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:17:14pm

re: #19 Bloodnok

It should cost about 230.

I hope the beans were filling.
/it’d cost less

22 ILoveIsrael  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:17:18pm

Hmm…he’s been in politics for the entire life of the state. He means well, but he is misguided.

23 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:17:19pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.


Yeah but it sure beats the Land-for-peace nuttiness.

24 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:17:27pm

re: #11 taxfreekiller

Obama upon leaving office early due to scandals, “I was wrong to take the lot and get involved in my Senate replacement and that stimulus package that was a mistake, and as I sit here in France in the house George Soros paid for I am truly sorry.”

Yours

O

You left out the part where he says “I’m sorry that my appeasement policy resulted in the nuclear destruction of Tel Aviv, New York, Los Angeles, and Washington, DC.”
/G-d forbid

25 WF Bach  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:18:16pm

I am the Sheik of Area B
This land belongs to me….

26 dhg4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:18:23pm

It’s also worth pointing out that Peres was unclear whether the disengagement was wrong, or that it was wrong that Israel had done it unilaterally.

And he unfortunately didn’t express any regret for the Jewish residents of Gaza who were displaced and still have not been accomodated.

27 Silhouette  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:18:31pm

I’ll never forget what a horrible time the removal was. Not only were Israelis against Israelis, but LGFers against LGFers. People losing their homes. The hope that the pain would be worth it.

They even had to dig up their dead and remove them because without a doubt, the remaining Gazans would have desecrated the dead.

28 SummerSong  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:18:34pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

I have never heard of a fried green bean!

29 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:19:03pm

re: #18 eschew_obfuscation

He was wrong. It cost Israel dearly. He admitted his mistake and has promised that he learned from it.

Do we know any American leaders who have done as much?

Reagan was a democrat before he took a right turn

30 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:19:04pm

re: #22 ILoveIsrael

Hmm…he’s been in politics for the entire life of the state. He means well, but he is misguided.

Yes, he is a patriot. No question about it. He’s very sincere. But very very misguided.

31 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:19:30pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

There has never been a recorded instance of a bacon explosion causing tooth damage. Just sayin’.

32 Shug  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:19:41pm

re: #28 SummerSong

I have never heard of a fried green bean!

I ate a fried pickle once in the Charlotte airport.

It was one of the best things I’ve ever eaten.

33 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:20:10pm

(from the article)

The President’s Office Orifice subsequently said that Peres meant that he was against the way the pullout was carried out, and the lack of political and security coordination with the Palestinians.

Translation mistake has been corrected.

34 midwestgak  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:20:26pm

We’ll See

Under Israeli law, the party regarded as the most likely to win majority support in the 120-seat parliament is asked to form a government, and pundits say Peres is certain to give the task to Netanyahu.

He wouldn’t be wrong in making that choice, IMHO.

35 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:20:30pm

Can’t have a trip to the dentist story without this

36 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:20:31pm

re: #31 Diamond Bullet

There has never been a recorded instance of a bacon explosion causing tooth damage. Just sayin’.

Everyone knows bacon can’t crack enamel. Never before in human history…..

37 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:20:46pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

And we all know how much fun that is.

there’s not enough nitrous in the world to make that fun

38 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:20:52pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

Ouch. You OK now?

39 Rednek  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:21:00pm

Disney is reorganizing it’s theme parks and announcing layoffs.

If you see Pluto or Goofy under a bridge, you know why.

40 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:21:08pm

The decision to leave Gaza was Ariel Sharon’s.
Peres supported the decision but did not make it.
For what it’s worth.

41 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:21:34pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

Is it safe?

42 varmint  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:21:42pm

it is depressing. israel lives so much closer to the edge. they should have had all their illusions burnt away long ago. yet each generation brings a new group of leaders who think they can make peace with terrorist monsters if the just compromise their values.

if they can’t learn from history, what are the chances that we ever will?

43 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:21:43pm

Charles,

Unfortunately, the President’s office has already backtracked on these remarks. They’re now saying that withdrawing from Gaza (and expelling all its Jews) was right, but it should have been done by consent with the ‘Palestinians.’ Of course, it was done unilaterally because no ‘consent’ could be reached.

More here.

44 Shug  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:22:06pm

re: #39 Rednek

Disney is reorganizing it’s theme parks and announcing layoffs.

If you see Pluto or Goofy under a bridge, Call John Edwards

fixed

45 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:23:24pm

re: #29 _RememberTonyC

Reagan was a democrat before he took a right turn


If the majority of Israelis are now thinking that Land-For-Peace is a bad idea, then any amount of mind-changing is a good thing. Unfortunately, too many Americans (and American Jews) still believe in that old and now-disproven idea.

46 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:23:39pm

re: #43 Carl in Jerusalem

Put the pig back in the hangar.

47 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:23:43pm

re: #39 Rednek

Disney is reorganizing it’s theme parks and announcing layoffs.

If you see Pluto or Goofy under a bridge, you know why.

With the current recession, it makes it harder to go to one of Disney’s overpriced parks. I think people will stay much closer to home this summer.

48 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:23:43pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

Thanks for filling in the blanks about your absence.

49 kansas  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:18pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

Jeez, how long did you fry them?

50 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:24pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

Is that recipe in the cookbook?

51 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:43pm

re: #26 dhg4

It’s also worth pointing out that Peres was unclear whether the disengagement was wrong, or that it was wrong that Israel had done it unilaterally.

And he unfortunately didn’t express any regret for the Jewish residents of Gaza who were displaced and still have not been accomodated.

He never will either.

During Operation Cast Lead, two columnists (Michael Freund of JPost - no surprise there - and Nadav Shragai of Haaretz - slightly more surprising) called for an apology to the Jews who were expelled from Gaza. Don’t hold your breath waiting for it to happen. Most of these people haven’t even been ‘re-settled’ in real homes yet - three and a half years later.

52 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:44pm

re: #32 Shug

I ate a fried pickle once in the Charlotte airport.

It was one of the best things I’ve ever eaten.

I once had a basket of fried jalapeno slivers at a backroad BBQ south of Charlottesville, VA. It was sort of like that Stephen King short story, “Word Processor of the Gods,” ‘cept with a fry-a-lator.

53 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:47pm

re: #42 varmint

it is depressing. israel lives so much closer to the edge. they should have had all their illusions burnt away long ago. yet each generation brings a new group of leaders who think they can make peace with terrorist monsters if the just compromise their values.

if they can’t learn from history, what are the chances that we ever will?


In defense of my fellow Jews, I will say that Jews are probably more idealistic than most if not all other groups. But I agree, they (we) need to learn from history. That is one verrrry important lesson.

54 HoosierHoops  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:24:47pm

re: #48 Amer-I-Can

Thanks for filling in the blanks about your absence.

Here today..Gum tomorrow..

55 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:25:32pm

re: #46 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Put the pig back in the hangar.

Any time an Israeli pol admits he was half wrong it’s a flying pig moment. This isn’t America and the chutzpa knows no bounds.

56 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:25:53pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

My sympathies.
As the Whale’s mother asked about Jonah: “What the heck was he doing in there for so long?”

57 midwestgak  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:26:41pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

Wow! You got your biscuspid fixed in one day?

— Canadian citizen./

58 jcm  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:27:08pm

re: #46 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Put the pig back in the hangar.

Porkzilla has flown…….


Oh, different pig…..

59 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:27:12pm

no one appreciated israel getting out of gaza.
that gesture should have made the world sit up and take notice that israel was trying to be fair. that they were the ones seeking peace.
the palis grabbed the land, destroyed what israel had left behind and immediately began to make war.

these animals don’t want peace. they just want to annihilate israel.
no more land, no more concessions.
now is the time to accept the ugly facts abt. these scum.
they are speaking loud and clear.

60 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:27:53pm

re: #58 jcm

Porkzilla has flown…….


Oh, different pig…..

Porkzilla couldn’t float, much less fly.

61 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:28:59pm

The thing that got me…. is if you were going to do this, why both WB and Gaza at once? Why not a couple years between? This was back in 05 or am I misremembering?

62 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:29:05pm

re: #55 Carl in Jerusalem

Any time an Israeli pol admits he was half wrong it’s a flying pig moment. This isn’t America and the chutzpa knows no bounds.

*Yankee bowing to indigenous experience*

heh … I guess you have a very good point there … spin th’ prop!

63 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:29:12pm

re: #59 nyc redneck

no one appreciated israel getting out of gaza.
that gesture should have made the world sit up and take notice that israel was trying to be fair. that they were the ones seeking peace.
the palis grabbed the land, destroyed what israel had left behind and immediately began to make war.

these animals don’t want peace. they just want to annihilate israel.
no more land, no more concessions.
now is the time to accept the ugly facts abt. these scum.
they are speaking loud and clear.

And we still hear people asking Israel to make more concessions.
Can anyone name ONE concession the Paliterrorists have actually made, not just promised?

64 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:29:28pm

re: #44 Shug

65 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:31:06pm

so now what?

66 dhg4  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:31:20pm

re: #51 Carl in Jerusalem

He never will either.

During Operation Cast Lead, two columnists (Michael Freund of JPost - no surprise there - and Nadav Shragai of Haaretz - slightly more surprising) called for an apology to the Jews who were expelled from Gaza. Don’t hold your breath waiting for it to happen. Most of these people haven’t even been ‘re-settled’ in real homes yet - three and a half years later.

I’m not surprised about Shragai, he isn’t exactly a leftist. And I believe that Ari Shavit has also written about the neglect of those who were expelled.

One of the sick ironies of the expulsion is that a number of the Jews who lived in Gaza, had been expelled the Sinai. These were “settlers” who were expelled twice in the name of a non-existent “peace.” But somehow “settlers” are the biggest obstacle to peace according to much of the opinion making elite.

67 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:31:27pm

re: #44 Shug

Oops. Try again.

How would one channel Goofy ?
I can feel his presence, Gawrsh.

68 der_ich  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:31:35pm

The unilateral withdrawal was in retrospect a mistake. It was not wise to ask the Palestinians something in return. The withdrawal itself wasn’t a mistake. Many lives were spared by this decision: civilian and military.

69 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:31:41pm

re: #63 Kosh’s Shadow

And we still hear people asking Israel to make more concessions.
Can anyone name ONE concession the Paliterrorists have actually made, not just promised?

There are none.

70 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:32:25pm

re: #65 bellamags

so now what?

Precisely.

/thanks for nuthin’, Perez!

71 bj  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:33:35pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

Those were some right crispy fried green beans, Charles. Are you sure you didn’t chomp down on your bicycle wheel spokes by accident? My sympathies for being sooooo wrong .. you and Shimon both. What a bill of goods he bought. Feh!

72 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:33:48pm
“Whatever will happen in the future, we shall not repeat the mistakes we made in leaving Gaza,”


I have no doubt they’ll continue to make the same same in the future. It’s becoming a tradition.

73 gegenkritik  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:33:57pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

An hour and a half?
May I recommend you my dentist?

74 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:34:03pm

re: #68 der_ich

The unilateral withdrawal was in retrospect a mistake. It was not wise to ask the Palestinians something in return. The withdrawal itself wasn’t a mistake. Many lives were spared by this decision: civilian and military.

No.

If there had been no withdrawal, Gaza wouldn’t be an armed camp and there would have been no need for Operation Cast Lead. That’s 1300 Pali lives right there whether they are ‘civilian’ or terrorist.

And the ultimate battle there has yet to be fought - a battle that would not have been necessary had Israel stayed in Gaza.

And by the way, tell the people of Sderot and its environs that their lives were spared by the Gaza expulsion.

Please….

75 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:35:08pm

re: #68 der_ich

The unilateral withdrawal was in retrospect a mistake. It was not wise to ask the Palestinians something in return. The withdrawal itself wasn’t a mistake. Many lives were spared by this decision: civilian and military.


I kind of agree. I was against any withdrawal, but I understand the concept of living in an area that demographically is a loser. There should have been some kind of agreement that guaranteed security. Even if it had been nullified by the Hamasies at a later date.

76 CalBear84  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:35:12pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

Everyone knows bacon can’t crack enamel. Never before in human history…..

Yeah yeah…and fire can’t melt steel

/ channeling Rosie

77 ducktrapper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:35:27pm

Nevertheless, it’s refreshing when power speaks the truth to you. If only Jhimmy Carter could see things so clearly.

78 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:36:34pm

Actually, he only admits he was wrong about the “methods,” not that it was done at all.

“It should have been done otherwise.”

Because now, everybody knows what an EPIC FAIL the “disengagement” was, and it will be much tougher to remove 100x that many Jews from Yesha.

79 Erik The Red  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:36:41pm

re: #28 SummerSong

I have never heard of a fried green bean!

Stating to sound like Rachel Lukis//

80 bellamags  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:36:46pm

OT - messed up story on Glenn Beck right now about some illegals.

81 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:37:03pm

re: #77 ducktrapper

Nevertheless, it’s refreshing when power speaks the truth to you. If only Jhimmy Carter could see things so clearly.


Yes. If the lessons are learned, Labor could actually someday be an important and useful party to helping Israel achieve some kind of peace. I won’t hold my breath.

82 tappin52  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:37:16pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

Just how long did you fry them?

83 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:37:48pm

re: #9 Charles

I admit I was wrong too — about eating those fried green beans that cracked my bicuspid and led to an hour and a half in the dentist’s chair today.

That sucks. I cracked a molar on an unpopped popcorn kernel. What sucked even more, I didn’t have dental insurance.

84 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:39:13pm

re: #73 gegenkritik

An hour and a half?
May I recommend you my dentist?



Oh ouch!

85 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:39:18pm

re: #45 Golem Akbar

If the majority of Israelis are now thinking that Land-For-Peace is a bad idea, then any amount of mind-changing is a good thing. Unfortunately, too many Americans (and American Jews) still believe in that old and now-disproven idea.

There will never be peace between the arab/muslim world and Israel. Never.

86 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:39:34pm

Hitchens gets into bar fight…..
Report: Hitchens beaten by Syrian thugs in Beirut?

87 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:39:36pm

And considering how much the Palestinians love their children, even this is a threat.

88 opinionated  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:40:11pm

What is the point of admitting you were wrong if in the very next breath you insist on an even more disastrous plan?

…… considerations still necessitate the creation of a Palestinian state.

89 HoosierHoops  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:40:47pm

re: #83 Alouette

That sucks. I cracked a molar on an unpopped popcorn kernel. What sucked even more, I didn’t have dental insurance.

The good news: By next year dental insurance will be free
the bad news: You’ll need to be on a waiting list for 10 months.

90 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:40:51pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Hitchens gets into bar fight…..
Report: Hitchens beaten by Syrian thugs in Beirut?

Update: Belated exit question three: Is it time for me to organize a mighty atheist army and lead it on a march to Damascus for justice? Yes.

LOL @ Allahp.

91 Kragar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:42:09pm

re: #87 SasquatchOnSteroids

And considering how much the Palestinians love their children, even this is a threat.

“Hey guy, Did we mean to leave this hole in the wall?”

92 calcajun  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:42:14pm

re: #73 gegenkritik

Or this one:

93 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:42:14pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Hitchens gets into bar fight…..
Report: Hitchens beaten by Syrian thugs in Beirut?

Per the story, his leg is definitely tingling.

94 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:42:39pm
95 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:43:06pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Oops, you beat me. Sorry for the redundancy.

96 capitalist piglet  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:44:11pm

re: #90 Sharmuta

LOL @ Allahp.

He is hilarious. Boy, did he mix it up with some folks today…people there are so rude to him, I can’t believe it. It’s such a drag.

97 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:44:38pm

re: #85 _RememberTonyC

There will never be peace between the arab/muslim world and Israel. Never.


You may be right. I don’t know. I can’t see the future too clearly. I have hope (tikva) for peace, but until then, Israel has to remain strong, vigilant, and needs our support.

98 Prince of Dorkness  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:45:45pm

Israeli President Shimon Peres admits he was wrong about withdrawing from Gaza.

I hope he’s learned his lesson. It kinda reminds me of that saying about compromising with evil and evil winning.

99 CalBear84  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:45:54pm

re: #89 HoosierHoops

The good news: By next year dental insurance will be free
the bad news: You’ll need to be on a waiting list for 10 months.

and then when you finally get in to see the dentist…he’ll be the guy who sat in the back row of dental school and got a C- average!

100 Rexatosis  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:49:24pm

I am not sure if I agree with Peres’ reassessment of the Israeli withdrawl from Gaza. At the time of the withdrawl I had a conversation on the topic with a colleague (a poli-sci prof. who is definitely to the left) and we both agreed it was probably the prudent move to make for Israel. Not because it would bring peace but because Israel was overextended into a territory where Jews were a miniscule minority, was a desolate geographic rat-hole with little economic promise (and I am being way kind by giving it any economic promise), and a massive drain on Israel’s economy and defense budget. Also Gaza is isolated in such a way that Israel can raid the territory if necessary with impunity should the situation warrant it (as it just did.) In retrospect I believe my colleague and I were right though the situation still “sucks”: Israel is in a much stronger defensive position without over-extended lines, can raid Gaza whenever the need arises, and does not have the headache of actually trying to govern the mess that is Gaza. I would not however apply the approach Peres used for Gaza to the West Bank and absolutely disagree with any loss of the Golan Heights (do not cede the higher ground).

101 Pietr  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:49:59pm

OT, But I got this Email-not sure if it’s true, or how to research it. Can anyone verify this. somehow? If not, then maybe I can get Charles to delete it:

Thanks Congress.

I wondered why they bailed out AIG, since its not a bank. I don’t know. Remember when this economic crisis hit, and Congress let Bear Sterns go under, and then pushed a bunch of Forced Marriages between Banks, etc.?

Then they bailed out AIG. At the time, I thought: “That’s strange. What does an insurance company have to do with this crisis?”
I think I just found the answer: AIG INSURES THE PENSION TRUST OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS ! No wonder they got bailed out right away! Our Senators and Congressmen said by their
actions, “To hell with the people, let’s protect our future”.

ISN’T IT NICE TO SEE WHERE THEIR LOYALTIES LIE !

102 Prince of Dorkness  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:52:04pm

re: #101 Pietr

Wouldn’t be surprised.

103 amateurpundit  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:52:32pm

Israeli politicians never admit they’re wrong. There is something terribly wrong here.

104 Prince of Dorkness  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:53:26pm

re: #103 amateurpundit

Does any politician?

105 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 2:56:11pm

He’ll be wrong again.

106 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:00:43pm
107 ilzito guacamolito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:07:15pm

re: #9 Charles

Ouchy Mama!

On topic, can anyone explain how Tzipi Longstocking got so many votes in the first place? Did the DNC loan her some voters from their rolls (deceased and otherwise)? Give up half the land? That is crazy talk.

108 itellu3times  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:20:03pm

Very glad to see Peres gaining some wisdom in his old age.

Contra, say, Jimmah Cartah.

But then, at least some who supported the Gaza pullout, did so with the expectation that it would fail and by (negative) example save them from pressure to pull out from the West Bank.

Though strictly speaking, I suppose one can draw other lessons and find other errors in the events that transpired, o lordy yes other errors. Well, any distance made good, is progress.

109 SFGoth  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:21:46pm

Shimon, time to move to Leisure World, bubbi

110 Defector01  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:29:29pm

if i had a shekhel for every time this happened i’d be too big to fail

111 kynna  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:35:34pm

How many more of Peres’s ‘learning experiences’ can Israel survive?

No such thing as a do-over here, buddy.

112 JWill  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 3:42:19pm

This guy and Jimmy Carter both have been terrible failures, with death and misery following in their wakes.

113 ilzito guacamolito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:00:37pm

re: #9 Charles


re: #9 Charles

Ouchy Mama!
(Sorry! Did the old copy and paste the first time.)

But, seriously…
On topic, can anyone explain how Tzipi Longstocking got so many votes in the first place? Did the DNC loan her some voters from their rolls (deceased and otherwise)? Give up half the land? That is crazy talk.

114 odorlesspaintthinner  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:12:33pm

At heart it is people like Peres who disrespect the “Palestinians,” and people like Netanyahu who give them their due. Hamas has consistently stated it will not recognize Israel. They haven’t wavered, haven’t played diplomatic games, they haven’t done anything that should cause anyone to think they aren’t serious about their goal of taking over ALL of ISRAEL. Vilify him if you will, but Meyer Kahane stated this clearly- he never thought of the Arabs in Israel has subhuman. He took them seriously. They view the Jews as interlopers, and they want “their” land back. It was because of this basic respect for their opinion that Kahane wanted them out of Israel, because the conflict between the Jewish and Arab views of Holy Land ownership made them bitter enemies and he foresaw endless conflict. It’s a hard argument to pierce. Modern Israelis may not have the stomach for mass deportation, but that doesn’t mean they have to give up land for empty promises, or any promises. You don’t give up land. Begin was wrong to give back the Sinai, Moshe Dayan never should have backed off the Temple Mount, and we can only hope Israel will retain the Golan. And yes this is empty talk from an American who lives his safe, know-it-all existence, a little wiser after 9/11 but not acquainted with the daily troubles of the Israeli.

115 notutopia  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:23:58pm

re: #28 SummerSong

I have never heard of a fried green bean!


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116 kingkenrod  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:27:24pm

I have always thought the goal in withdrawing from Gaza was to show the Palestinians were not capable of governing themselves AND had little interest in the two-state solution. Mission accomplished, although the anti-semites of the world will not admit it. Ever.

117 tsionguy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 4:48:43pm

In 1979 Israel tried to convince Egypt to take back Gaza, and they refused. They believed the Palestinians were ungovernable.

118 wiffersnapper  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:30:21pm

See I told you so.

119 ilzito guacamolito  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:31:07pm

re: #113 ilzito guacamolito

Someone..anyone…please help me. I really want to understand how this election could have ended with Livni getting so many votes in light of recent events. Is there ‘buyer’s remorse’ in Israel after her comments of giving up half of Israeli land? Is this what the populace really wants? Have they not learned that land for peace doesn’t work with these ‘people’ who have made their objective clear?

120 yy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 5:43:43pm

It is truly pathetic watching Peres—a man who pushed socialism and national suicide for so many years. When most Israelis were yelling that Arafat was a terrorist, Peres ran to make peace. When everyone yelled that “you can’t make peace with terrorists,” Peres ran to make peace with them. When people yelled “you can’t give land for peace,” Peres ran to give land away to make peace. Now, as he is well into his 80’s, he sees that his life’s work may be “all for naught.” Truly pathetic.

Even more pathetic, however, is the fact that America has elected an American version of Shimon Peres: a man who pushes socialism and national suicide. While many Americans are yelling that you can’t make peace with terrorists, our President is offering to “negotiate” with hamas, the syrians, hezbollah, iran, etc. etc. etc.

I can only pray that innocent Americans will not pay with their blood as so many innocent Israelis have over the years thanks to Peres and his ilk.

121 EE  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:10:36pm

I wonder if Shimon Peres understands that there are people who are mortal enemies of Israel. If he thinks that if Israel will only be nice to everyone, then everyone will be nice to Israel, then he has a serious misunderstanding of the state of affairs.

Peres said that he could not understand why, after Israel left the Gaza Strip — “disengaged” was the illusionary word used at the time — why there was an escalation of rocket fire against Israel from the Gaza Strip. We left, he said. We removed all of the Jewish residents and all of the soldiers from there. So why did they react in this way.

Let me explain this to him as simply as possible. There are people who want to eliminate the existence of Israel. What limits their behavior in doing this is only their capability to inflict harm against Israel. Their underlying intentions do not change one iota. Certainly if Israel gives them more capability to inflict harm on Israel, they will use it. The attempt to appease them, the attempt to change their intentions by showing weakness and giving them more capability to inflict harm will always fail. Did Peres think that by Israel showing weakness and giving in, providing Israel’s enemies with more capability to inflict harm against Israel, in some way a feeling of guilt would fall all over people who are mortal enemies of Israel, and who live in an honor/shame society and not a guilt society? The feeling of guilt just does not exist among the mortal enemies of Israel living in an honor/shame society.

I hope that Peres understands that if Iran acquires nuclear weapons, there is no feeling of guilt that is going to stop it from using them. It just doesn’t work that way.

122 redseeped  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 6:33:12pm

I wish peace would brake out in the ME. But, peace can only be achieved once war is over. War, can only be over once someone wins.
Israel needs to allow herself to win first and not be yanked around by Europeans and others for the sake of their misguided benevolence to Hamas thugs. Even Shimon Peres knows this.

123 WF Bach  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:23:06pm

re: #122 redseeped

Yep. Peace-But-Not-Now, that’s the ticket. Shalom Matan.

124 Mr Spiffy  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:09:29pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

Everyone knows bacon can’t crack enamel. Never before in human history…..

virtual down-ding for channeling Rosie O’Donnel

125 redseeped  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 8:21:54pm

re: #124 Mr Spiffy

Rosie the Metallurgist?

126 zulubaby  Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:54:04pm

Between him and Jimmy Carter, I don’t know who I loathe more. What’s the ETD on the two of them?

127 der_ich  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 12:30:04am

re: #74 Carl in Jerusalem

And by the way, tell the people of Sderot and its environs that their lives were spared by the Gaza expulsion.

And with the occupation of Gaza there wouldn’t have been rockets, terror attacks on settlers, or the soldiers who were forced to protect them?

I am a bit annoyed by this Peres bashing here at lgf - he is a hero not only of Dimona but Entebbe. The dis-engagement was, after all, the idea of the Likudnik Sharon, that it was unilateral even more so. In any case: The same way as it makes sense to have control over the Jordan Valley, it makes sense to go to defensible borders at Gaza.

128 RaiderDan  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 8:45:35am

#92. Dammit. You beat me to it. CalCajun.

You go to Cal? Or reside in the Democratic People’s Republic of Califas?

129 Nature  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:58:54am

Can You Pronounce the Name of Your Own Nation?

Palestine, Palestinians, the right to return to Palestine; The Arab inhabitants in both, Israel and the Palestinian territories call themselves Palestinians and call their homeland Palestine. The world has fallen into a trap believing the existence of a fabricated Arab Palestinian nation. The evidence for the biggest hoax in history- so called Arab Palestinian nation- has been in front of our ears for decades and we were deaf to hear it. The evidence has been pronounced thousand of times, day after day, hours after hours by the Arabs themselves. They have been shouting out loud that they are a fabricated nation, and no one was willing to listen. Have you got no idea at all what I am taking about? Want a hint? Listen again, Palestine. Palestinian. No, still not? OK, fair enough, let me explain.

A name of a nation is a name that is rooted in history, a name of a nation is proudly transferred from father to son generation after generation. A name of a nation is rooted within the language of your own people, a language that you are proud of, a language that you can actually pronounce to the letter. But just by listening to an Arabic speech you will shortly realize that the letter/sound ‘P’ does not exist in Arabic. Arabs pronounce ‘B’ instead of ‘P’, for example, the word ‘people’ will be pronounced as ‘beoble’. The question is, if ‘P’ does not exist in Arabic, then why an Arab will use a letter that does not exist in his alphabet for a name, and more so for the name of his own nation, and a name for his own people (beoble)? The name Palestine or Palestinian cannot be pronounced phonetically by any man whose mother tongue is Arabic, including Arabs who so call themselves Palestinians.

How a nation can truly exist when their proclaimed ‘beoble’ cannot pronounce it correctly? The fallacy of a native Arab Palestinian nation has been absorbed and accepted for decades without questioning if they really ever existed. An Arab ‘Balestinian’ nation is the biggest hoax in the human history.

130 RC51  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 1:13:49pm

Since he forcibly removed Jewish settlers from their homes in Gaza, now that he has admitted his mistake, will he forcibly put them back? Also didn’t those Jewish settlers sue the Israeli govt?


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