I saw this last week, but it slipped through the cracks. A US Army soldier has some … special instructions for a group of Iraqi police, who apparently haven’t been sufficiently motivated.
(You might expect a language warning for something like this, and you’d be right.)
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rwmofo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 4:59:31pm |
Solid Gold! This guy should be Commander in Chief.
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rwmofo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:00:43pm |
Wonder why no kids are lining up to date his daughter? Oh, I get it.
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tackle Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:01:29pm |
re: #1 rwmofo
Solid Gold! This guy should be Commander in Chief.
Never mind that. I think he should give the Commander in Chief a motivational speech.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:05:50pm |
extremely sorry for the early OT, but I'm signing out, and this is important
All: LudwigVanQuixote just posted the latest, slimmed-down, version of his evolution troll hammer. Links below go to the two parts, on the Missouri Creationist Bill thread.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:06:21pm |
I think he speaks for a lot of us. "Man up or we're outta here."
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:06:32pm |
That's a great job the GI does!
I hope to hell the Iraqis got the message.
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gman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:07:10pm |
Hooah! Nothing like a motivational lecture courtesy of the US Army!
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Rev Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:07:46pm |
Wonderful! I would love to see some follow-up to this. I hope to all that is holy that he has not been removed. I especially liked the way he dealt with the leaders and the butthole who tried to make all the excuses. If someone can understand the Arabic the guy was shouting, I'd would love to get a transcript of what was said.
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Amer-I-Can Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:08:37pm |
Out FUCKING standing! Lazy Iraqis is an ongoing theme over there. I get quite a few first hand stories like this.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:09:27pm |
I wonder what the translator is really saying.
/they know it's Obama time . . . for us to be leaving
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:09:30pm |
Rough language? I saw the video and only wonder if the Iraqi translator was really doing a word for word translation and if he wasn't, I wonder how many of the Iraqis knew enough English to know what was being said to them. Over at defensetech.org several detractors said that the guy's tirade was demeaning to Iraqis. So which one hurts more, getting your legs blown off by an IED or having someone scream nasty things at you? I'll go for having a guy scream at me. You get over that. Legs blown off? You never get over that.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:10:46pm |
I'd love to have this guy come talk to some of my students.
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Confuzed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:11:56pm |
Give that soldier a f*cking promotion.
America needs more straight talkers like him.
H*ll, I don't know him from Adam, but he's getting a couple of hundred pushups and dozens of pull-ups from me today just on general principle.
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gman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:12:54pm |
I'm sure Lefties are going to whine about how the soldier is talking to the Iraqis, but then they aren't the ones who are going to protect the Iraqis when the US pulls out.
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:13:16pm |
re: #19 goddessoftheclassroom
I'd love to have this guy come talk to some of my students.
Your students would become incontinent after the first 30 seconds. I once had an English professor at SMU go off on the class. Several students were at the point of tears. I just grinned as it was considerably less abusive than what I experienced in basic training.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:13:22pm |
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itellu3times Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:13:50pm |
Maybe I didn't have the volume low enuf to listen to this at work ... oops.
Purty good, tho, as much as I got. More later.
Meanwhile, it's great to be here in Iowa!
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:14:55pm |
re: #9 Racer X
Dude sounds just a tad bit frustrated.
Yeah. He seems to get a bit out of control. Seems, at least.
It's tough to imagine a more dangerous thing to do in Iraq than show up at the police recruitment office. So at least they've taken that difficult step. But "I will not help people who will not help themselves" is an excellent sentiment. Iraq needs to start shouldering its own national load.
So those fellas may have deserved every word.
But for heaven's sake, when will we learn to stop videotaping ourselves and then letting it splash around on the Internet?
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:15:00pm |
re: #19 goddessoftheclassroom
I'd love to have this guy come talk to some of my students.
I've run hour long staff meetings like that.
/candid truth for shock value, it scares the scareable and establishes a "try me" baseline for the rest
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:15:03pm |
re: #22 Perplexed
Your students would become incontinent after the first 30 seconds. I once had an English professor at SMU go off on the class. Several students were at the point of tears. I just grinned as it was considerably less abusive than what I experienced in basic training.
I went ballistic yesterday because some kids were horsing around backstage. I don't swear, but the Wrath of the Goddess is terrible to behold.
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zombie Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:15:05pm |
Why couldn't I have voted for THIS guy for President?
Damn. I wish he could give the same speech to the crew in the White House.
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:15:11pm |
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Soona' Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:15:24pm |
Wouldn't ya' know it. A new thread and I've got to go. Later.
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quickjustice Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:15:56pm |
Calling all female lizards! We have identified a prospective mate for you! ;-)
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Yankee Division Son Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:16:13pm |
Holy crap. I wonder if this guy is related to Harry (give 'em hell*) Truman, or Gen George S. Patton Jr.. It reminds me so much of their "motivational speaking" techniques...
*Truman never actually said "give 'em hell" a reported coined the phrase, when he shouted out at a press conference "give 'em hell Harry", to which President Truman replied -
"I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:16:20pm |
Note the translator's mask.
I suspect he doesn't trust the police.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:16:34pm |
re: #34 quickjustice
Calling all female lizards! We have identified a prospective mate for you! ;-)
Don't I wish...I bet he's a real gentleman with ladies, too,
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:17:28pm |
re: #37 Cognito
Note the translator's mask.
I suspect he doesn't trust the police.
All the translators do that to protect their family.
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:17:28pm |
This is absolutely beautiful. It is the best foreign policy speech an American has made in my lifetime.
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:17:40pm |
Like I said on the last thread, I'll buy this soldier a steak and a beer if I ever get the chance.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:17:54pm |
Anyone know Arabic? I'd be curious to know how much of the cussin' is being translated for these boys...
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:18:36pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:18:50pm |
I normally do not watch any of the ubiquitous youslop videos posted, but I am glad I saw this one.
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Yankee Division Son Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:18:59pm |
Anyone know what date this was taped/filmed?
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itellu3times Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:19:03pm |
re: #27 quickjustice
Impressive. Did it work?
I guarawntee it worked, on someone listening, who might not have heard the like before. On some of the others, maybe not so much, but you do what you can.
I sat through three corporate departmental meetings today with bigwigs, little wigs, and nowigs, and I just wish I'd been dressed in full digital camoflage and body armor so I could have motivated a little more clear thought.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:19:03pm |
re: #28 Cognito
Yeah. He seems to get a bit out of control. Seems, at least.
It's tough to imagine a more dangerous thing to do in Iraq than show up at the police recruitment office. So at least they've taken that difficult step. But "I will not help people who will not help themselves" is an excellent sentiment. Iraq needs to start shouldering its own national load.
So those fellas may have deserved every word.
But for heaven's sake, when will we learn to stop videotaping ourselves and then letting it splash around on the Internet?
it's a war zone...good grief...out of control?...pffft!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:19:49pm |
re: #37 Cognito
Note the translator's mask.
I suspect he doesn't trust the police.
You'd be wrong, the mask is to protect him and his family from the media acceptable insurgents.
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itellu3times Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:20:05pm |
re: #43 Cato the Elder
Anyone know Arabic? I'd be curious to know how much of the cussin' is being translated for these boys...
Betcha they understood that part direct, for the most part, for any number of reasons.
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pocomoco Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:20:22pm |
Having been in the Army in the late 50s, this was like sweet music to my ears.
I dare anyone who was in the military to deny they ever heard a speech like this.
If they didn't it was probably because they were in the WACs.
Then too, the WACs, no doubt, had their own methods of motivation.
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calcajun Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:20:55pm |
They forgot to add:
Now go do that voodoo that you do so well!
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:21:15pm |
re: #28 Cognito
But for heaven's sake, when will we learn to stop videotaping ourselves and then letting it splash around on the Internet?
This is exactly what needs to splash around the world on the internet.
BBL
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:22:03pm |
re: #43 Cato the Elder
They already know the cuss words, you betcha.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:22:06pm |
re: #54 Ojoe
This is exactly what needs to splash around the world on the internet.
BBL
Cognito is a little girl...I woulda never thought
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pingjockey Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:22:15pm |
There is a lesson in this....Don't piss off NCOs. We'll rip yer guts out and give 'em to yer widow for garters!
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:22:31pm |
re: #50 FurryOldGuyJeans
You'd be wrong, the mask is to protect him and his family from the media acceptable insurgents.
How is does that make me wrong?
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SurferDoc Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:23:15pm |
re: #52 pocomoco
Having been in the Army in the late 50s, this was like sweet music to my ears.
I dare anyone who was in the military to deny they ever heard a speech like this.
If they didn't it was probably because they were in the WACs.
Then too, the WACs, no doubt, had their own methods of motivation.
Absolutely! This isn't unusual.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:23:50pm |
re: #43 Cato the Elder
Anyone know Arabic? I'd be curious to know how much of the cussin' is being translated for these boys...
I'm not hearing the handful of little curse words I know, but that doesn't mean much. Arabic curses are sorta contextual. And each dialect is different.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:24:08pm |
So, Drudge is now reporting that the Iranians have enough nuclear material for a nuclear weapon. Curious.
We've previously reported this fact. In November 2008. Indeed, even the NYT reported this at that time. So, why does Drudge now headline it now? Hmmm...
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Spiny Norman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:24:24pm |
re: #58 Cognito
How is does that make me wrong?
You claimed he didn't trust the police, Furry noted that it was more likely the Media* he doesn't trust.
*The local stringers, in particular.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:24:35pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:24:44pm |
*swoooooooooooooooooooooon*
Except for the gratuitous sexism, I like this guy.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:24:45pm |
American GI's...,
F---Yeah!
He may be crude, but he's correct.
I hope they send this same soldier to cross examine the (yes-it-is-a-bigoted-word).. so, okay... garanimal (you know, like the pj's) who beheaded his wife in NY. You know, the bridge builder.
' We wanted to do something to eliminate the negative stereotypes of Muslims in America, especially after 9-11'
Allah buncha huey, ach, barf.
And just saying, why do we get half an hour of chimp updates, and nada on this from NBC/CBS?
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Shug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:24:59pm |
I love technology. I am at work and youtube is blocked by the firewall, but I have LGF bookmarked on my iPhone so I was able to watch this video on my phone
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Old Tanker Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:25:06pm |
re: #7 rwmofo
I thought I read that he was a light bird, and I only ever heard one LTC talk like that before!
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:25:07pm |
re: #67 MandyManners
*swoooooooooooooooooooooon*
Except for the gratuitous sexism, I like this guy.
kilt worthy?
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:25:16pm |
Those guys are lucky Travis the chimp wasn't the motivator.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:25:17pm |
re: #58 Cognito
How is does that make me wrong?
You said he didn't trust the police. He only distrusts the sheep in police clothes media acceptable jihadi traitorous scum.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:25:20pm |
re: #43 Cato the Elder
Anyone know Arabic?
/come to think of it, in this economy, that's probably one of the few skills that will guarantee you instant employment
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:25:37pm |
re: #43 Cato the Elder
Anyone know Arabic? I'd be curious to know how much of the cussin' is being translated for these boys...
Somehow I think they understood everything he said.
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tackle Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:25:51pm |
re: #63 lawhawk
So, Drudge is now reporting that the Iranians have enough nuclear material for a nuclear weapon. Curious.
We've previously reported this fact. In November 2008. Indeed, even the NYT reported this at that time. So, why does Drudge now headline it now? Hmmm...
Seems like that with a lot of stories now. Read about it today on LGF. See it on Fox two days later. Watch it on your local news next week.
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jjmckay1216 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:25:53pm |
re: #63 lawhawk
So, Drudge is now reporting that the Iranians have enough nuclear material for a nuclear weapon. Curious.
We've previously reported this fact. In November 2008. Indeed, even the NYT reported this at that time. So, why does Drudge now headline it now? Hmmm...
cuz the UN just found out and they made it public. The UN just freaking found out. what a bunch of lame-asses
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:25:58pm |
Obama could not give that speech even with a teleprompter.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:26:14pm |
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:26:41pm |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:26:52pm |
re: #66 Cognito
Eh?
he sounds outa control....
don't tape this...
it's not a TV show, it's life and death...connect the dots Shirley
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:27:07pm |
re: #65 Spiny Norman
You claimed he didn't trust the police, Furry noted that it was more likely the Media* he doesn't trust.
*The local stringers, in particular.
Actually I meant the insurgents and militia assholes the media is so fond and proud of promoting, so it was a twofer.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:27:14pm |
President Obama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, is famous for talking like this guy does. F'n this, F'n that.
And Rahn Emanuel was a ballet dancer who wore tights, early in his F'n career.
The Clinton White House was apparently an F-bomb palace.
Sure hope this guy's rant helps Iraqis get more courage. This soldier appears to forget American men in the USA aren't in fear of being beheaded, or having our families beheaded, on a daily basis.
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:27:16pm |
re: #78 Ojoe
Obama could not give that speech even with a teleprompter.
Coming from the ONE it would be funny. Sort of like watching a two year old on a tirade against an older sibling.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:27:35pm |
"Ummmm....until you errrrrrrr...man ummmmm...up, errrrrrrr shut the ummmmmmm fuck er up."
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sngnsgt Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:28:23pm |
re: #78 Ojoe
Obama could not give that speech even with a teleprompter.
Obama could not give that speech even using someone else's mouth.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:28:26pm |
re: #79 MandyManners
I might let him eat go crackers in my bed.
Fixed that.
:)
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:28:41pm |
re: #84 alegrias
President Obama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, is famous for talking like this guy does. F'n this, F'n that.
And Rahn Emanuel was a ballet dancer who wore tights, early in his F'n career.
The Clinton White House was apparently an F-bomb palace.
Sure hope this guy's rant helps Iraqis get more courage. This soldier appears to forget American men in the USA aren't in fear of being beheaded, or having our families beheaded, on a daily basis.
Anyone can drop the f bomb. Dropping it with maximum effect takes skill. Raum does it only for the shock value and it quickly loses its effect.
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SurferDoc Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:29:03pm |
re: #84 alegrias
President Obama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, is famous for talking like this guy does. F'n this, F'n that.
And Rahn Emanuel was a ballet dancer who wore tights, early in his F'n career.
The Clinton White House was apparently an F-bomb palace.
Sure hope this guy's rant helps Iraqis get more courage. This soldier appears to forget American men in the USA aren't in fear of being beheaded, or having our families beheaded, on a daily basis.
If they did what the GI said, get their rifles and go down a few blocks and kick some butt, they would have a lot less to worry about.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:29:05pm |
re: #65 Spiny Norman
You claimed he didn't trust the police, Furry noted that it was more likely the Media* he doesn't trust.
*The local stringers, in particular.
Why -- again -- why are we taping this sort of thing? It's stupid.
To be clear: I'm not saying what the soldier says is stupid. I'm saying it's counterproductive for people in Iraq to see it. The average American has been pretty well broken in by R. Lee Ermey, so we get it. But this won't make sense to Iraqis. They'll just see their police -- who have risked their lives by merely showing up -- getting cursed and called women by an American in full gear.
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astronmr20 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:29:09pm |
re: #63 lawhawk
So, Drudge is now reporting that the Iranians have enough nuclear material for a nuclear weapon. Curious.
We've previously reported this fact. In November 2008. Indeed, even the NYT reported this at that time. So, why does Drudge now headline it now? Hmmm...
Well, Drudge isn't "reporting" it, per se. He's linking to another article, which is generally what he does. This one is more significant, though, because the IAEA actually admits it.
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looking closely Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:29:11pm |
I doubt that it had the intended effect, but it certainly was amusing to listen to.
Nice to hear that PC hasn't totally taken over everything.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:29:25pm |
re: #78 Ojoe
Obama could not give that speech even with a teleprompter.
"O" would wet his panties just being in the same room with this guy.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:29:44pm |
re: #67 MandyManners
*swoooooooooooooooooooooon*
Except for the gratuitous sexism, I like this guy.
I suspect -- I hope -- that was a calculated thing. He's insulting them in terms they'll understand.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:30:12pm |
Of course, a good military rant deserves a classic movie version
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:30:29pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:30:41pm |
re: #92 Cognito
Why -- again -- why are we taping this sort of thing? It's stupid.
To be clear: I'm not saying what the soldier says is stupid. I'm saying it's counterproductive for people in Iraq to see it. The average American has been pretty well broken in by R. Lee Ermey, so we get it. But this won't make sense to Iraqis. They'll just see their police -- who have risked their lives by merely showing up -- getting cursed and called women by an American in full gear.
You will never "get it" so don't even try, you are too mediafied to be redeemable.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:30:56pm |
re: #92 Cognito
Why -- again -- why are we taping this sort of thing? It's stupid.
To be clear: I'm not saying what the soldier says is stupid. I'm saying it's counterproductive for people in Iraq to see it. The average American has been pretty well broken in by R. Lee Ermey, so we get it. But this won't make sense to Iraqis. They'll just see their police -- who have risked their lives by merely showing up -- getting cursed and called women by an American in full gear.
I really don't think it was taped with the intention of being distributed as any sort of tool to change behaviors. There are a lot of things that should happen that shouldn't be taped.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:31:24pm |
re: #83 FurryOldGuyJeans
Actually I meant the insurgents and militia assholes the media is so fond and proud of promoting, so it was a twofer.
Exactly. I knew that's what you meant.
And again -- how does that make me wrong?
My point -- and the soldier's point in his speech -- is that some of the police are actually fighting for Muqtada al-Sadr.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:31:29pm |
re: #93 astronmr20
Well, technically true, but he's headlining it in a way just short of the flashing sirens hot story. He could have posted it simply by throwing in a regular link. Apparently now this is sufficient to get headline treatment.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:32:28pm |
re: #102 Cognito
Exactly. I knew that's what you meant.
And again -- how does that make me wrong?
My point -- and the soldier's point in his speech -- is that some of the police are actually fighting for Muqtada al-Sadr.
You said the interpreter was afraid of the police. I said it wasn't.
But why trying to explain anything to you since you only think in media terms.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:32:31pm |
re: #92 Cognito
Why -- again -- why are we taping this sort of thing? It's stupid.
To be clear: I'm not saying what the soldier says is stupid. I'm saying it's counterproductive for people in Iraq to see it. The average American has been pretty well broken in by R. Lee Ermey, so we get it. But this won't make sense to Iraqis. They'll just see their police -- who have risked their lives by merely showing up -- getting cursed and called women by an American in full gear.
so what?....if it motivates them then they will ultimately save lives...you miss the whole point and wonder why it's taped...typical...this gut is not out of control but exactly the opposite...who gives a fuck about a tape...perception works both ways
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:32:33pm |
re: #100 FurryOldGuyJeans
You will never "get it" so don't even try, you are too mediafied to be redeemable.
No offense, but that response is as lazy as the Iraqi police are accused of being.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:33:19pm |
re: #103 lawhawk
Well, technically true, but he's headlining it in a way just short of the flashing sirens hot story. He could have posted it simply by throwing in a regular link. Apparently now this is sufficient to get headline treatment.
I see the reason simply because the UN is finally admitting it.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:33:44pm |
re: #91 SurferDoc
If they did what the GI said, get their rifles and go down a few blocks and kick some butt, they would have a lot less to worry about.
* * * *
Can we agree it takes guts to sign up to be cop in Iraq? You remember how many have been blown up standing in line to BE cops in Iraq? Remember how many bus loads of Iraqi police recruits were hijacked & murdered?
Republic of Fear, was Iraq's name. Think how many antidepressants and tranquilizers Americans would take, if we lived in such a place.
We need Iraqis of good will to become courageous, but their fears are real, not imagined.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:34:32pm |
There are those who will see this video and whine about how in-fucking-sensitive American troops are.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:34:47pm |
re: #106 Cognito
No offense, but that response is as lazy as the Iraqi police are accused of being.
You master in media laziness. I shouldn't expect anything different.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:35:07pm |
re: #109 Racer X
There are those who will see this video and whine about how in-fucking-sensitive American troops are.
See the comments on YouTube. What a freakin' cesspool.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:35:19pm |
re: #109 Racer X
There are those who will see this video and whine about how in-fucking-sensitive American troops are.
those same people whine about that anyway.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:35:34pm |
re: #92 Cognito
* * *
Cognito, I agree with you.
President Bush had this "pep" talk with Maliki and others for 5 years in a row, according to Bob Woodward's book about the Iraq War & President Bush.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:36:07pm |
re: #106 Cognito
No offense, but that response is as lazy as the Iraqi police are accused of being.
instead of praising this man for taking it to a bunch of apparently misfit cops, Cognito picks on him for being out of control and he's worried about perception....kinda pisses me off a little...
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Shug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:36:14pm |
re: #109 Racer X
There are those who will see this video and whine about how in-fucking-sensitive American troops are.
war is Hell, but apparently these asshats don't know that
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van helsing Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:36:18pm |
re: #99 Killian Bundy
Report: Moscow freezes sale of S-300 to Iran
/red light/green light
That's interesting...
Russia reserving the right to 'slow down' Iran's enrichment program?
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:36:50pm |
A good speech, but did it bring "change"?
3 years from now will tell..............
/but God Bless American Military!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:37:13pm |
re: #114 albusteve
instead of praising this man for taking it to a bunch of apparently misfit cops, Cognito picks on him for being out of control and he's worried about perception....kinda pisses me off a little...
That is all the media is about....PERCEPTION. Reality is not even secondary or tertiary.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:37:20pm |
re: #105 albusteve
so what?....if it motivates them then they will ultimately save lives...you miss the whole point and wonder why it's taped...typical...this gut is not out of control but exactly the opposite...who gives a fuck about a tape...perception works both ways
Who gives a.... Are you serious? Do you not realize the massive, irreparable damage done by such leaked footage and photographs in Iraq? A series of photographs, I'll remind you, essentially hardened the whole world against America's mission in Iraq in the span of about 24 hours.
Sure, it's a big giggle for us here. "Hell yeah, he's givin' it to 'em good!"
But it's not about how we feel, here. And it's not just about motivating a handful of Iraqi police. It's about discretion. It's about persuading other people to fight on our behalf. "Hearts and minds" is a cliche for a reason.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:37:28pm |
re: #111 Fat Jolly Penguin
See the comments on YouTube. What a freakin' cesspool.
I rarely bother reading youtube comments. Cesspool indeed.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:37:29pm |
I have been told, by someone who has been in Iraq numerous times, that the men their are very lazy. He said the girls were just beautiful, but aged quickly since they are the ones that do all the real work. But as for these guys, what can you expect from a group of people who have been walking the planet like mindless idiots for the past days, weeks, months, years, centuries?
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:37:53pm |
re: #102 Cognito
Exactly. I knew that's what you meant.
And again -- how does that make me wrong?
My point -- and the soldier's point in his speech -- is that some of the police are actually fighting for Muqtada al-Sadr.
* * * *
President Bush & his administration repeatedly told Maliki he had to go after the bad Mahdi army elements as well as bad Sunnis and bad Al Qaedans, to be credibly fair to all Iraqis.
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Shug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:38:15pm |
re: #119 Cognito
I blame the media scumbags for 99.999% of these problems
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:38:19pm |
re: #84 alegrias
And Rahn Emanuel was a ballet dancer ...
So was Baryshnikov. DIdn't mean he was a wuss.
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tackle Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:38:38pm |
re: #99 Killian Bundy
Report: Moscow freezes sale of S-300 to Iran
/red light/green light
Iran: Mother may I take two baby steps?
Russia: Yes you may.
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van helsing Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:38:54pm |
re: #109 Racer X
There are those who will see this video and whine about how in-fucking-sensitive American troops are.
That's the only beef I have with taping this stuff.
Not that I personally give a flying fuck what those limp-dicked metrosexual fellators think.
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mikalm Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:39:04pm |
Hard-assed, but absolutely necessary, given the circumstances. "Better to lose a pint of sweat now, than a pint of blood later."
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Dave the..... Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:39:05pm |
Reason #65 why the draft is bad. I know a lot of people in or veterans of our armed forces. Great people and real leaders. Would you rather have some loser who is there because he couldn't keep his grades up in his liberal arts school psychology major?
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:39:17pm |
re: #92 Cognito
Because our military is chock full of bad assed mother fuckers who have to teach these zombies how real men protect their families.
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esch Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:39:30pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:39:41pm |
re: #124 Shug
I blame the media scumbags for 99.999% of these problems
And he will NEVER understand that thinking, ever.
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SurferDoc Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:39:52pm |
re: #108 alegrias
* * * *
Can we agree it takes guts to sign up to be cop in Iraq? You remember how many have been blown up standing in line to BE cops in Iraq? Remember how many bus loads of Iraqi police recruits were hijacked & murdered?Republic of Fear, was Iraq's name. Think how many antidepressants and tranquilizers Americans would take, if we lived in such a place.
We need Iraqis of good will to become courageous, but their fears are real, not imagined.
Agreed. Can we agree the solution is to induce those brave men to kick some asses? Dead bad guys don't cut off heads.
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Shug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:40:03pm |
Cog, just be grateful he didn't throw a shoe at the president of the United States.
/
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:40:12pm |
re: #114 albusteve
instead of praising this man for taking it to a bunch of apparently misfit cops, Cognito picks on him for being out of control and he's worried about perception....kinda pisses me off a little...
I'm not picking on him for anything. I have no idea what he situation was, and I said so. Matter of fact, I said,
It's tough to imagine a more dangerous thing to do in Iraq than show up at the police recruitment office. So at least they've taken that difficult step. But "I will not help people who will not help themselves" is an excellent sentiment. Iraq needs to start shouldering its own national load.
So,
1) get your facts straight. And,
2) only an idiot, doomed to lose, believes propaganda doesn't matter.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:40:18pm |
re: #109 Racer X
Actually, that's the only problem with youtube, etc... the only people who should have heard that speech were the Iraqis he was addressing.
But that genii's out of the bottle, no going back now.
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gman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:40:26pm |
re: #92 Cognito
Why -- again -- why are we taping this sort of thing? It's stupid.
To be clear: I'm not saying what the soldier says is stupid. I'm saying it's counterproductive for people in Iraq to see it. The average American has been pretty well broken in by R. Lee Ermey, so we get it. But this won't make sense to Iraqis. They'll just see their police -- who have risked their lives by merely showing up -- getting cursed and called women by an American in full gear.
Welcome to the real world, Cog. It's messy.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:41:00pm |
re: #127 van helsing
That's the only beef I have with taping this stuff.
Not that I personally give a flying fuck what those limp-dicked metrosexual fellators think.
Exactly.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:41:02pm |
re: #124 Shug
I blame the media scumbags for 99.999% of these problems
absolutely. the media shapes perception any way they want. the bottom line is it doesn't matter. the media excels in gentle persuasion. leaking this and withholding that. brainwashing.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:41:10pm |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:41:39pm |
re: #119 Cognito
Who gives a.... Are you serious? Do you not realize the massive, irreparable damage done by such leaked footage and photographs in Iraq? A series of photographs, I'll remind you, essentially hardened the whole world against America's mission in Iraq in the span of about 24 hours.
Sure, it's a big giggle for us here. "Hell yeah, he's givin' it to 'em good!"
But it's not about how we feel, here. And it's not just about motivating a handful of Iraqi police. It's about discretion. It's about persuading other people to fight on our behalf. "Hearts and minds" is a cliche for a reason.
that's my point...worrying about perception gets the wrong people killed....what do you know about massive irreparable damage?....why don't you find something positive here instead of worrying about perception....the media really sucks when they try to butt in on this stuff
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:41:39pm |
re: #108 alegrias
Yeah it's dangerous. So? The message we are trying to send them is that we have their backs. We are training them in security. We are still there. We are not leaving anytime soon. Time to man up dammit.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:41:50pm |
re: #114 albusteve
instead of praising this man for taking it to a bunch of apparently misfit cops, Cognito picks on him for being out of control and he's worried about perception....kinda pisses me off a little...
* * **
Get a grip.
What you call the perception of Abu Ghraib's "silly frat antics" got hundreds more Americans killed, and cost us billions of dollars by prolonging this war and giving Americans a dirty name--though only a few rogue troops misbehaved in Abu Ghraib.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:42:19pm |
re: #107 FurryOldGuyJeans
I see the reason simply because the UN is finally admitting it.
Fair enough. It's only like four months after the fact.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:42:45pm |
re: #129 Dave the.....
I flew mac charters occasionally, and the group of soldiers who were drafted compared to those in Desert Storm.....
Well, there was no comparison. With the former, I used to worry about the people who were in charge of defending my country, and after I met the latter, I could not have been prouder.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:42:56pm |
re: #116 van helsing
That's interesting...
Russia reserving the right to 'slow down' Iran's enrichment program?
/either that or no Israeli drone deal
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:43:07pm |
re: #130 UberInfidel67
Because our military is chock full of bad assed mother fuckers who have to teach these zombies how real men protect their families.
I couldn't care any less about being bad asses.
I care about being winners.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:43:17pm |
re: #119 Cognito
Media leaked photos and video released at a time to maximize the damage done when another scandal was needed to further bash Bush or the military.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:43:37pm |
re: #119 Cognito
* * *
I agree with you again about the cost of perception. President Bush and the US paid billions & trillions more for this war, because of those Abu Ghraib idiots. And of course people died because of that incident.
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Shug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:43:43pm |
re: #147 Cognito
I couldn't care any less about being bad asses.
I care about being winners.
Wimps usually lose
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:44:01pm |
re: #143 alegrias
* * **
Get a grip.What you call the perception of Abu Ghraib's "silly frat antics" got hundreds more Americans killed, and cost us billions of dollars by prolonging this war and giving Americans a dirty name--though only a few rogue troops misbehaved in Abu Ghraib.
I recall front page headlines on the NYT about Abu Ghraib many many many times. There was damage, and it was done by the media. There is no such thing as a politically correct war.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:44:11pm |
re: #143 alegrias
* * **
Get a grip.What you call the perception of Abu Ghraib's "silly frat antics" got hundreds more Americans killed, and cost us billions of dollars by prolonging this war and giving Americans a dirty name--though only a few rogue troops misbehaved in Abu Ghraib.
thank the MSM for that....nobody asked their opinion at the time as I recall
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Racer X Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:44:18pm |
re: #143 alegrias
* * **What you call the perception of Abu Ghraib's "silly frat antics" got hundreds more Americans killed, and cost us billions of dollars by prolonging this war and giving Americans a dirty name--though only a few rogue troops misbehaved in Abu Ghraib.
I think this is the point Cognito is trying to make. He sure uses some odd tactics to make it though.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:45:00pm |
re: #147 Cognito
We're doing that too. AND trying to prepare them for when we leave. It is just like a kid, sometimes they need a firm hand.
Go hug a tree...you'll feel better.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:45:00pm |
re: #149 alegrias
* * *
I agree with you again about the cost of perception. President Bush and the US paid billions & trillions more for this war, because of those Abu Ghraib idiots. And of course people died because of that incident.
Exactly.
Obviously this little tape is no where near that scale, but the point stands.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:45:02pm |
re: #144 lawhawk
Fair enough. It's only like four months after the fact.
I see the admission by the UN to mean they have had enough nuclear material for at least one bomb for a considerable amount of time. This just adds onto the drubbing Bush got for maintaining pressure to prevent this.
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Perfectsense Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:45:27pm |
Hey Nancy Pelosi, I have somebody you need to talk to.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:46:23pm |
re: #152 bellamags
I recall front page headlines on the NYT about Abu Ghraib many many many times. There was damage, and it was done by the media. There is no such thing as a politically correct war.
Bull crap.
Heaving, steaming, reeking bull crap.
The people who hurt us were the morons at Abu Ghraib who decided to play Secret Agent Man without the faintest clue what they were doing. They -- they -- acted in a manner perpendicular to American ideals.
They.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:46:52pm |
re: #125 tradewind
So was Baryshnikov. DIdn't mean he was a wuss.
* * * *
Rahm Emanuel the foul mouthed Obama Chief of Staff, was a ballet dancer--no wuss--AND he is a lying sleazy sack of Illinois crap who made crooked millions, (16 million I believe) after working in the Clinton White House.
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calcajun Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:47:01pm |
re: #72 Perplexed
Those guys are lucky Travis the chimp wasn't the motivator.
I'm gonna rip off yer face and piss on yer brains!
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Racer X Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:47:24pm |
My first reaction to watching this video was "this guy is freakin' awesome!"
My second reaction was "oh shit, the liberal pussies are going to squeal like little girls over this one."
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oh_dude Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:47:26pm |
(With apologies to all the Lady Lizards)
This guy made me feel like a pussy from 10,000 miles away.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:47:30pm |
re: #156 Cognito
Exactly.
Obviously this little tape is no where near that scale, but the point stands.
then the media can just toss away this tape...problem solved eh?...the point that use seem to miss is that the media creates these perception problems and then blames it on others...pretty disingenuous but it make good rag
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:47:37pm |
re: #154 Racer X
I think this is the point Cognito is trying to make. He sure uses some odd tactics to make it though.
I've said nothing odd. Every single post I've made on the subject is simple and to the point.
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quickjustice Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:47:43pm |
I bet he'd never make this speech to a group of female Israeli soldiers! ;-)
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Shug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:48:05pm |
re: #166 quickjustice
I bet he'd never make this speech to a group of female Israeli soldiers! ;-)
He wouldn't have to
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:48:16pm |
re: #164 albusteve
then the media can just toss away this tape...problem solved eh?...the point that use seem to miss is that the media creates these perception problems and then blames it on others...pretty disingenuous but it make good rag
Why are you simpering about the media?
Where did you see this video?
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Confuzed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:48:25pm |
Comments over at youtube are priceless.
Is it too much to hope for that those who think this soldier is out of line, come face to face with those of us who think this soldier ROCKS?
Man, that soldier brought a smile to my face. Downloading it now for iPod:).
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:48:49pm |
re: #159 Cognito
The media had the evidence months before they released it. They released it when they did because a new excuse to denigrate Bush and the military was needed.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:48:58pm |
Cognito, why do you assume that dressing these cats down is counterproductive and won't make sense to Iraqis?
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:49:19pm |
re: #170 FurryOldGuyJeans
The media had the evidence months before they released it. They released it when they did because a new excuse to denigrate Bush and the military was needed.
So they should have released it sooner, you're saying?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:49:25pm |
re: #162 Racer X
My first reaction to watching this video was "this guy is freakin' awesome!"
My second reaction was "oh shit, the liberal pussies are going to squeal like little girls over this one."
The second part is coming true right here.
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MacGregor Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:49:41pm |
A warrior imbuing courage into a formerly kept people is a winner in my book.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:49:46pm |
re: #159 Cognito
Bull crap.
Heaving, steaming, reeking bull crap.
The people who hurt us were the morons at Abu Ghraib who decided to play Secret Agent Man without the faintest clue what they were doing. They -- they -- acted in a manner perpendicular to American ideals.
They.
you have got to be fucking kidding me. out of all of the military, we cannot expect each person to behave properly. there are going to be some bad things that happen. the media plays up on the bad things and plays down the good things because they have an agenda. end of story. we all know this. at the same time, i am not excusing the bad behavior of the morons at Abu Ghraib. I just wish you would accept the medias responsibility of blowing up the issue.
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oh_dude Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:50:04pm |
re: #23 Ojoe
Just got back from my weekly hike in the hills. Yes, a gorgeous day here in SoCal.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:50:06pm |
re: #133 SurferDoc
Agreed. Can we agree the solution is to induce those brave men to kick some asses? Dead bad guys don't cut off heads.
* * * *
Agree, yet it is clear Iraqis can't trust the guy to the left or right of them! ALLAH and Islam say it is ok to LIE, so some of them can be BOTH police by day and militia creeps by night.
Their habits of lying go back millenia.
They don't understand swearing to say the truth and nothing but the truth. So help them, Allah says it's permissible to LIE, especially to the infidel, or to your islamic brother.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:50:13pm |
re: #165 Cognito
I'm not the one who posts "sure is nice weather" and then gets 7 downdings for it.
There's a reason for that.
Figure it out.
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CapeCoddah Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:51:16pm |
Hello everyone!
Not so good news on drudge
Iran holds enough uranium for bomb
Iran has built up a stockpile of enough enriched uranium for one nuclear bomb, United Nations officials acknowledged on Thursday.
In a development that comes as the Obama administration is drawing up its policy on negotiations with Tehran over its nuclear programme, UN officials said Iran had produced more nuclear material than previously thought
They said Iran had accumulated more than one tonne of low enriched uranium hexafluoride at a facility in Natanz.
If such a quantity were further enriched it could produce more than 20kg of fissile material – enough for a bomb.
“It appears that Iran has walked right up to the threshold of having enough low enriched uranium to provide enough raw material for a single bomb,” said Peter Zimmerman, a former chief scientist of the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency
[Link: www.ft.com...]
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:51:25pm |
re: #171 The Shadow Do
Cognito, why do you assume that dressing these cats down is counterproductive and won't make sense to Iraqis?
I haven't said that. I think dressing them down may be very productive.
But don't be so naive, even for a moment, to think Arabs are going to watch other Arabs get reamed by a geared-up American and think, "Well that's darned peppy."
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:51:27pm |
re: #159 Cognito
Bull crap.
Heaving, steaming, reeking bull crap.
The people who hurt us were the morons at Abu Ghraib who decided to play Secret Agent Man without the faintest clue what they were doing. They -- they -- acted in a manner perpendicular to American ideals.
They.
They were already under investigation by the military for violating the UCMJ. The Times instead used the photos on the front page to direct anti-war anti-Bush rage against the US and undermined the mission.
The proximate cause of the problems were the soldiers of that unit at Abu Ghraib. The Times sought to maximize the rage by giving it incessant front page coverage.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:51:56pm |
re: #172 Cognito
So they should have released it sooner, you're saying?
Why sit on it at all? If it was so important when it was released why was it not equally important when they media was given the information? Timing is everything, and this was a media lynch job from start to finish.
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godfrey Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:52:10pm |
So Cog, give us your version of this speech. Some of these guys want to kill you and your men. Let's hear it.
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Shug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:52:28pm |
re: #159 Cognito
Bull crap.
Heaving, steaming, reeking bull crap.
The people who hurt us were the morons at Abu Ghraib who decided to play Secret Agent Man without the faintest clue what they were doing. They -- they -- acted in a manner perpendicular to American ideals.
They.
and it's a damn good thing the NY times reported it that way, right?
as an isolated incident by a few bad apples. and to make it clear that the US Military was full of good soldiers.
then let it go and move on to covering all of the positive things American soldiers were doing....so you know. not to tarnish the US military and create undue hostility towards American soldiers
///////////////////////////////////
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:52:52pm |
re: #168 Cognito
Why are you simpering about the media?
Where did you see this video?
I'm simpering because I hate the fucking media with every bone in my body....it and it's minions get people killed...it doesnt matter where I saw this vid...if I had my way there would be no media in a war zone...you people are poison...death and destruction follows your bullshit around like a shadow...the MSM appeals to the droolers and they will believe ant twisted lie you tell them...poison
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:52:56pm |
re: #178 Racer X
I'm not the one who posts "sure is nice weather" and then gets 7 downdings for it.
There's a reason for that.
Figure it out.
Nothing requires figuring, that I can see.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:53:30pm |
re: #174 MacGregor
A warrior imbuing courage into a formerly kept people is a winner in my book.
I'm not sure this little speech will have the desired effect. You can't "imbue courage" by haranguing people. These guys will probably go right back to what they were doing before, and their commanders will be worse, because they were humiliated in front of their men.
Basic psychology.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:54:01pm |
re: #183 godfrey
So Cog, give us your version of this speech. Some of these guys want to kill you and your men. Let's hear it.
Good grief.
Go back. Read my posts.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:54:27pm |
re: #111 Fat Jolly Penguin
See the comments on YouTube. What a freakin' cesspool.
John Gabriel's Greater Internet F**kwad Theory is proven yet again! (NSFW due to language)
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:54:35pm |
re: #186 albusteve
I'm simpering because I hate the fucking media with every bone in my body....it and it's minions get people killed...it doesnt matter where I saw this vid...if I had my way there would be no media in a war zone...you people are poison...death and destruction follows your bullshit around like a shadow...the MSM appeals to the droolers and they will believe ant twisted lie you tell them...poison
So should Charles not show this video?
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:54:47pm |
Saw the clip last night and don't really recall if any of the Iraqis were shown full face. If not, then they maintain their 'honor'.
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CapeCoddah Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:55:27pm |
re: #185 Chicago Blonde
Oh Lord.
Yeah, when the UN admits something like that, it is probably too late.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:56:06pm |
re: #183 godfrey
So Cog, give us your version of this speech. Some of these guys want to kill you and your men. Let's hear it.
* * * *
General Petraeus who knew something about fighting an insurgency, and some guy called McMaster who turned the Iraqi hell hole of Tall Afar around, probably gave this kind of speech only kinder & gentler.
Wonder what Petraeus thinks about this guy's approach to motivating moslems to fight jihadists & Mahdists amongst them.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:56:24pm |
re: #191 Cognito
You will never fucking "get it". You are a media shill through and through.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:57:17pm |
re: #180 Cognito
As for this video, it is done because those Iraqis aren't fully in the game. They haven't shown themselves to be fully into the mission of protecting Iraqis against the insurgency, against the Mahdi, etc.
He wants these recruits to know that they wont be fully trusted until they show their worth.
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twincitiesgirl Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:57:33pm |
Nice going soldier, you put the fear of God in some of those guys and earned their respect. Made me smile too.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:57:57pm |
re: #194 alegrias
* * * *
General Petraeus who knew something about fighting an insurgency, and some guy called McMaster who turned the Iraqi hell hole of Tall Afar around, probably gave this kind of speech only kinder & gentler.Wonder what Petraeus thinks about this guy's approach to motivating moslems to fight jihadists & Mahdists amongst them.
You have no proof of what was said, so ascribing PC bullshit is just that, bullshit.
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shane Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:58:01pm |
re# 159 Cognito
That's complete bullshit. They were going to find a reason, didn't matter if it was Abu Ghraib(were no one died) or a humvee that got in a wreck and killed someone in a civilian vehicle. The press was going to use something. If you want to blame Abu Ghraib instead of our MSM press for the propaganda war, then the MSM got what they wanted. A few stupid pranks didn't make the PR war, the MSM made a few pranks the PR war.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:58:09pm |
re: #191 Cognito
So should Charles not show this video?
I could care less and that's not the bigger point...you have an overinflated sense of importance....you have used the people of the world to push you own nefarious agenda...tear down Bush and tear down America...you can split hairs all you want, I could care less...you are part of the problem, not the solution...rag on about some tape...bloviate some more, I'm amused
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jaunte Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:58:22pm |
Salon Sells Out Troops To Boost SubscriptionsZ Bear at the Truth Laid Bear, once a subscriber himself, reports on the latest effort at luring former subscribers back to the fold -- by promising to run hundreds of additional photos of abuse at Abu Ghraib:
"Dear former Salon Premium member,
Three weeks ago, Salon released 18 photos from Abu Ghraib prison that had never been publicly available, along with documentation of the Army's own investigation into the disturbing images. Reaction was swift and strong; some accused us of undermining American interests, while others took us to task for not publishing every image in our possession. Most feedback praised our decision to highlight a scandal that's been largely underreported by the mainstream media.
We're planning to release hundreds more photos taken inside Abu Ghraib. Using information found in a U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID) report and other sources, our news team is cataloging each image so we may provide captions that offer critical context. Our goal is to publish newsworthy pictures that haven't been widely seen before, providing the best information that the CID investigation materials could offer."
[Link: www.captainsquartersblog.com...]
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godfrey Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:58:32pm |
re: #189 Cognito
Walk a mile, then talk.
Cato, you're right that results matter most. Maybe the result wanted here is to draw out the militia. They're the ones most likely to chafe.
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rumcrook Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:58:55pm |
re: #119 Cognito
we are not telling them to fight on our behalf.
we are telling them to fight for themselves.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:58:57pm |
Put yourself in this soldier's place.
He is standing in front of a group of Iraqis, and he knows there are several men right there who would gladly kill him given the chance. He is trying to motivate them to make better decisions about the future of their families and the future of their country.
Dayam.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:58:57pm |
re: #196 lawhawk
As for this video, it is done because those Iraqis aren't fully in the game. They haven't shown themselves to be fully into the mission of protecting Iraqis against the insurgency, against the Mahdi, etc.
He wants these recruits to know that they wont be fully trusted until they show their worth.
He won't understand that perspective, not now, not ever. Media all he sees.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:59:35pm |
re: #180 Cognito
I haven't said that. I think dressing them down may be very productive.
But don't be so naive, even for a moment, to think Arabs are going to watch other Arabs get reamed by a geared-up American and think, "Well that's darned peppy."
Your #92:
I'm saying it's counterproductive for people in Iraq to see it. The average American has been pretty well broken in by R. Lee Ermey, so we get it. But this won't make sense to Iraqis.
Seems you made an assumption here, I'm not too sure it's correct is all. My reading has led me to believe opinion in Iraq may be very consistent with this among a high percentage of Iraqis. But I could be wrong.
Opinion of Arabs outside of Iraq? Probably a little different, but frankly that may be a good thing or at least a what's new moment.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:59:41pm |
re: #199 shane
re# 159 Cognito
That's complete bullshit. They were going to find a reason, didn't matter if it was Abu Ghraib(were no one died) or a humvee that got in a wreck and killed someone in a civilian vehicle. The press was going to use something. If you want to blame Abu Ghraib instead of our MSM press for the propaganda war, then the MSM got what they wanted. A few stupid pranks didn't make the PR war, the MSM made a few pranks the PR war.
yeah. what he said.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 5:59:48pm |
re: #196 lawhawk
As for this video, it is done because those Iraqis aren't fully in the game. They haven't shown themselves to be fully into the mission of protecting Iraqis against the insurgency, against the Mahdi, etc.
He wants these recruits to know that they wont be fully trusted until they show their worth.
No. That's the reason for the speech. Not the published video.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:01:17pm |
Good night, Lizards.
God bless and keep our troops.
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naftali Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:01:35pm |
That was stupid. Was he really trying to talk treasonous infiltrators out of their loyalties. They should simply work to ferret out those who need 'talking' to. He wasn't winning any points with any of the other officers, either; He looked like an apoplectic teacher yelling at his out of control class who can't stand him.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:01:42pm |
re: #162 Racer X
My first reaction to watching this video was "this guy is freakin' awesome!"
My second reaction was "oh shit, the liberal pussies are going to squeal like little girls over this one."
How many of these Iraqi police even understand what he is saying? There is a translator, do you think he is automatically repeating every cuss word?
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Chicago Blonde Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:01:56pm |
re: #193 CapeCoddah
That's what so upsetting to me - the media would chatter on and on over this video -they peed themselves over Abu Ghraib - and deflect away from Amedinnerjacket having a potential nuke.
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HelloDare Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:02:27pm |
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:02:43pm |
re: #195 FurryOldGuyJeans
You will never fucking "get it". You are a media shill through and through.
* * *
Furry,
Cognito is right in this instance, and in pointing out how actions of a few out of control troops at Abu Ghraib TOTALLY POISONED world & American opinion. Words & actions have consequences and Americans are always on the world's stage.
We must be smarter, like General Petraeus is, to win this.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:02:43pm |
re: #97 Cognito
I suspect -- I hope -- that was a calculated thing. He's insulting them in terms they'll understand.
I understand that but, why not compare them to children, to infants? Is it really worse to be a woman than an infant when it comes to strength in that world?
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:03:03pm |
ot - I find this typical and appalling.
IT’S AS IF ALL THE KATRINA CONCERN WAS JUST POLITICAL FAKERY:
The economic stimulus signed by President Barack Obama will spread billions of dollars across the country to spruce up aging roads and bridges. But there’s not a dime specifically dedicated to fixing leftover damage from Hurricane Katrina.And there’s no outrage about it.
Democrats who routinely criticized President George W. Bush for not sending more money to the Gulf Coast appear to be giving Obama the benefit of the doubt in his first major spending initiative.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:03:09pm |
re: #215 MandyManners
I understand that but, why not compare them to children, to infants? Is it really worse to be a woman than an infant when it comes to strength in that world?
Yes.
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:03:28pm |
re: #215 MandyManners
I understand that but, why not compare them to children, to infants? Is it really worse to be a woman than an infant when it comes to strength in that world?
Yes.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:03:50pm |
re: #212 Chicago Blonde
That's what so upsetting to me - the media would chatter on and on over this video -they peed themselves over Abu Ghraib - and deflect away from Amedinnerjacket having a potential nuke.
Anything that promotes leftist causes is to be celebrated by the media.
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gman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:04:16pm |
The rest of the world perceived Bush to be an arrogant cowboy, while he proceeded to take care of problems that no other nation would confront.
Now we have a president who cares more about perception than the mission.
Trust me, the soldiers getting things done on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan are more mission- oriented than perception- oriented.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:04:49pm |
re: #188 Cato the Elder
I'm not sure this little speech will have the desired effect. You can't "imbue courage" by haranguing people. These guys will probably go right back to what they were doing before, and their commanders will be worse, because they were humiliated in front of their men.
Basic psychology.
My hat is off to the soldier for having the balls, but I tend to agree. The chances are pretty high that at least a few of the police not only felt humiliated, but were insulted. And we all know what can happen when the infidel doesn't show "respect" in the Arab world. This plays well to the Western audience, but maybe not so great in the Middle-East.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:04:52pm |
re: #215 MandyManners
Is it worse to be compared to a woman? To THEM I would have to say YEAH. These are people that use a shoe, a friggin' shoe as their biggest insult. And the way they treat their women? C'mon...being called a woman is a BIG insult to them.
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Elcid Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:05:14pm |
re: #188 Cato the Elder
Agree. The Iraqi's our brave, honorable and tough soldier was speaking (ahem) to, were raised in an atmosphere of total terror. The generation prior to these, were as well.
If you sneezed the wrong way, you could get tossed from a building, or have your tongue removed. Plain and simple, they have instilled fear that seems to be part of their genetic system. It's going to take the NEXT generation to make the attempt to overcome.
Do I agree with our soldier, hell yes. He, along with many, many others put their ass on the line, everyday.
Over 4000 paid with their lives. He's frustrated, that these guys don't get it.
They will have to, eventually.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:05:43pm |
re: #214 alegrias
* * *
Furry,
Cognito is right in this instance, and in pointing out how actions of a few out of control troops at Abu Ghraib TOTALLY POISONED world & American opinion. Words & actions have consequences and Americans are always on the world's stage.We must be smarter, like General Petraeus is, to win this.
relentlessly driven out of proportion by the MSM...you forgot that part
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:05:55pm |
" I refuse to help people who won't help themselves"...
My God, I'd like to see THIS guy run for Pres in a few years...God Bless 'em all.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:06:00pm |
re: #210 naftali
That was stupid. Was he really trying to talk treasonous infiltrators out of their loyalties. They should simply work to ferret out those who need 'talking' to. He wasn't winning any points with any of the other officers, either; He looked like an apoplectic teacher yelling at his out of control class who can't stand him.
Your encounter-group called. Their wussy is missing.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:06:07pm |
re: #198 FurryOldGuyJeans
You have no proof of what was said, so ascribing PC bullshit is just that, bullshit.
* * *
I said PROBABLY Petraeus gave a kindler gentler speech than this guy.
There is footage of Petraeus speaking arabic words and honoring his Iraqis with hand gestures they understand.
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quickjustice Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:06:41pm |
re: #215 MandyManners
Insulting them as "women" is cultural. Women are not warriors in that culture.
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godfrey Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:06:46pm |
The only safe assumption to make about reception of this video is that jihadis will see toughness. And Iraqi men who aren't gelded weaklings will say he's right. Don't project Western self-doubt on them.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:06:48pm |
re: #214 alegrias
* * *
Furry,
Cognito is right in this instance, and in pointing out how actions of a few out of control troops at Abu Ghraib TOTALLY POISONED world & American opinion. Words & actions have consequences and Americans are always on the world's stage.We must be smarter, like General Petraeus is, to win this.
I call bullshit. The media USED Abu Ghraib in a DELIBERATE manner to do a repeat of their successes during the Vietnam War.
And for you do raise the banner of Petraeus when you have NO clue as to what the man would do in this situation or what he thinks of what the officer in the video did is the height of ignorance and arrogance.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:06:50pm |
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:06:50pm |
Obama will have this guy getting more sensitivity training shortly.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:06:53pm |
re: #219 FurryOldGuyJeans
Anything that promotes leftist causes is to be celebrated by the media.
You're so eager to launch into a media-fixated -- and I do mean fixated -- screed that you've missed the point entirely. It's not about American media, dastardly as they may be. And it's not about the left, although I've got no love for that either. It's about the reaction Iraqis will have.
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:07:05pm |
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rumcrook Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:07:11pm |
I dont care what culture your from you know if you have been a stand up guy doing your job or shirking.
and sometimes if your lucky the end of that road is a speach like this.
not, the enemy killing you all with out mercy, becuase you didnt take the fight to the enemy and kill them without mercy.
deep down these guys know they have to step up to the plate. or no one will respect them, and worse than them not being respected by the american is thier enemy not respecting them.
im gonna side with them grudgingly realizing after this that they need to go kick ass if they want to have some self respect.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:07:32pm |
re: #220 gman
Trust me, the soldiers getting things done on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan are more mission- oriented than perception- oriented.
Sometimes perception-oriented is mission-oriented. That's the thing to bear in mind.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:07:33pm |
re: #226 MandyManners
Your encounter-group called. Their wussy is missing.
heh...no shit...wait til the lead starts flying and who do they run to
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gman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:08:42pm |
re: #237 Cognito
Sometimes perception-oriented is mission-oriented. That's the thing to bear in mind.
Wtf are you talking about?
Have you ever had boots on the ground, cog?
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:08:44pm |
re: #213 HelloDare
* * * *
THREAD WORTHY! VICTORY IS OURS!
Troops, we're killing the enemy NYT~! Godspeed!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:09:01pm |
re: #227 alegrias
* * *
I said PROBABLY Petraeus gave a kindler gentler speech than this guy.There is footage of Petraeus speaking arabic words and honoring his Iraqis with hand gestures they understand.
Different situation. So again I call bullshit on you trying to PC this.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:09:17pm |
re: #222 UberInfidel67
Is it worse to be compared to a woman? To THEM I would have to say YEAH. These are people that use a shoe, a friggin' shoe as their biggest insult. And the way they treat their women? C'mon...being called a woman is a BIG insult to them.
Until that culture learns to value its women, it's gonna' remain in the Dark Ages. The misogyny is directly tied to its violence and ignorance.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:09:43pm |
re: #227 alegrias
* * *
I said PROBABLY Petraeus gave a kindler gentler speech than this guy.There is footage of Petraeus speaking arabic words and honoring his Iraqis with hand gestures they understand.
oh fer gods sake....you get a grip...this guy is in the field trying to save lives...who gives a fuck what some general would say in a different time to a different audience
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:09:47pm |
re: #229 quickjustice
Insulting them as "women" is cultural. Women are not warriors in that culture.
Not yet.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:09:51pm |
re: #212 Chicago Blonde
That's what so upsetting to me - the media would chatter on and on over this video -they peed themselves over Abu Ghraib - and deflect away from Amedinnerjacket having a potential nuke.
I do not see how a group of men being cussed at in a language they don't even understand can even remotely approach a comparison to Abu Ghraib. This is like comparing Operation Cast Lead to the Holocaust World War II.
/
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:09:54pm |
re: #237 Cognito
Sometimes perception-oriented is mission-oriented. That's the thing to bear in mind.
That's bullshit.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, about what people's feelings are "in the world" matter when the one job you have is getting the job done and keeping your men alive.
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:10:22pm |
re: #240 alegrias
* * * *
THREAD WORTHY! VICTORY IS OURS!Troops, we're killing the enemy NYT~! Godspeed!
It has taken over 140 years, but General Sherman is able to laugh at the press.
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:10:23pm |
re: #240 alegrias
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.
When your product sucks...and you then strive to make it suck MORE, you deserve what you get-unless they get a bail-out from the Messiah.
Buh-Bye NYT.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:10:29pm |
re: #239 gman
Wtf are you talking about?
Have you ever had boots on the ground, cog?
I've not worn the boots of the military, which is one of my great regrets. But I have been alongside them, yes. And I promise you that certain important segments of the military are big into perception as mission.
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Chicago Blonde Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:10:32pm |
re: #219 FurryOldGuyJeans
I agree. The media bias is overwhelming. Every time I think about CNN's coverage of the 2008 election circus I get irritated. I just hate to see things twisted, taken out of context and gloated over by the Campbell Browns and Katie Courics of the world.
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Sloan Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:10:49pm |
I think that was the most awesome five minutes and 36 seconds I've seen in a long, long time.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:10:55pm |
re: #234 Cognito
Try reading my actual words sometimes. I was talking about Abu Ghraib being a media whorefest, not this tape.
But someone dissed your precious media so you have to mount an pro-forma attack.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:11:17pm |
re: #240 alegrias
* * * *
THREAD WORTHY! VICTORY IS OURS!Troops, we're killing the enemy NYT~! Godspeed!
Here comes the bailout... too big to fail.
You watch.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:11:18pm |
re: #224 albusteve
relentlessly driven out of proportion by the MSM...you forgot that part
* * *
Yes, the lousy traitorous MSM which is going bankrupt, with our help!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:11:27pm |
What I'd like to know is: After the U.S. guy ask for questions, there is a lengthy interjection by one of the Iraqi policemen. You can't hear the translator putting it into English.
So what is he saying?
In all fairness, it would be good to know.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:11:36pm |
re: #244 MandyManners
I've been saying for quite some time that a BIG shift will happen in the ME when the women get pissed off. In some places, they are trying. Keep at it sisters!
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:12:11pm |
re: #251 Cognito
I've not worn the boots of the military, which is one of my great regrets. But I have been alongside them, yes. And I promise you that certain important segments of the military are big into perception as mission.
big into?....time to run the media out of a war zone....you people are poison
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:12:25pm |
re: #251 Cognito
I've not worn the boots of the military, which is one of my great regrets. But I have been alongside them, yes. And I promise you that certain important segments of the military are big into perception as mission.
If this is accurate, we are in worse condition that I thought...
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:12:27pm |
re: #251 Cognito
I've not worn the boots of the military, which is one of my great regrets. But I have been alongside them, yes. And I promise you that certain important segments of the military are big into perception as mission.
If perception is mission, why does the media seem bent on fucking up the perception?
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:12:56pm |
If he's ever out of work, he could tape a new version of this.
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:13:00pm |
ot - this is from AP writer:
DEVLIN BARRETT
he says
"In a country founded by slave owners, race has bedeviled the nation throughout its history, with blacks denied the right to vote just a few decades ago. Obama's triumph last November as well as the nomination of Holder stand as historic achievements of two black Americans."
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:13:09pm |
re: #229 quickjustice
Insulting them as "women" is cultural. Women are not warriors in that culture.
Wanna bet?
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:13:24pm |
re: #254 FurryOldGuyJeans
Try reading my actual words sometimes. I was talking about Abu Ghraib being a media whorefest, not this tape.
But someone dissed your precious media so you have to mount an pro-forma attack.
This is getting old. You were responding to a comment about how "the media would chatter on and on over this video -they peed themselves over Abu Ghraib - and deflect away from Amedinnerjacket having a potential nuke."
Ergo my comment.
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:13:36pm |
re: #242 MandyManners
It's interesting, a good friend of mine has done two tours there, trying to train the Iraqi National Police on investigative techniques and basic western police tactics. He's been astounded at how cowardly the average Iraqi Police Officer is when it comes to use of force and confronting 'bad guys'-unless the bad guys are unarmed.
The video just validates what he'd been telling me.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:13:41pm |
re: #261 kansas
If perception is mission, why does the media seem bent on fucking up the perception?
exactly...the fucking media CREATES the perception...I hate the MSM
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:13:53pm |
re: #251 Cognito
I've not worn the boots of the military, which is one of my great regrets. But I have been alongside them, yes. And I promise you that certain important segments of the military are big into perception as mission.
The ones that are in battle on a routine basis?
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:13:59pm |
re: #261 kansas
If perception is mission, why does the media seem bent on fucking up the perception?
Good question.
But not relevant to the video at hand, unfortunately.
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gman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:14:03pm |
re: #251 Cognito
I've not worn the boots of the military, which is one of my great regrets. But I have been alongside them, yes. And I promise you that certain important segments of the military are big into perception as mission.
All of your hearsay doesn't mean shit when you've got soldiers being killed and the guys that were supposed to be helping you are not only possible traitors, but won't pony up when the going gets tough.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:14:14pm |
re: #260 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
If this is accurate, we are in worse condition that I thought...
When all one knows and understands is how to manipulate perception by media it colors everything. Media boy will never 'get it".
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:15:29pm |
re: #266 ploome hineni
lol
and you know their reaction because...............?
Because I'm a know-it-all. Right?
Right.
And so should I assume you suspect the Iraqis will have a different reaction?
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:15:29pm |
re: #263 FrogMarch
ot - this is from AP writer:
DEVLIN BARRETThe says
"In a country founded by slave owners, race has bedeviled the nation throughout its history, with blacks denied the right to vote just a few decades ago. Obama's triumph last November as well as the nomination of Holder stand as historic achievements of two black Americans."
WTF is he talking about? Blacks were given the right to vote long before women.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:15:57pm |
re: #269 MandyManners
The ones that are in battle on a routine basis?
The ones who are in battle pretty much all the time, yes.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:16:02pm |
re: #270 Cognito
Good question.
But not relevant to the video at hand, unfortunately.
fuck you and your video...don't make your videos relevant
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:16:17pm |
re: #265 Cognito
Yet you NEVER tire of being a booster boy for the media when they are not slavishly worshiped enough in your opinion. If it truly was getting old in your perception you would quit defending the indefensible.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:16:33pm |
re: #273 FurryOldGuyJeans
When all one knows and understands is how to manipulate perception by media it colors everything. Media boy will never 'get it".
I hate the whole perception is reality horseshit. Reality is reality.
/time to drink, more.
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godfrey Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:16:36pm |
These Iraqi police haven't been doing sh*t and expect the kufr soldiers to do their work and give them things and take all the risk.
F*ck that.
This is about turning the dhimmitude table, too.
Those Iraqi police were put on perfect notice.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:16:58pm |
re: #271 gman
All of your hearsay doesn't mean shit when you've got soldiers being killed and the guys that were supposed to be helping you are not only possible traitors, but won't pony up when the going gets tough.
Of course. And once again we're back to talking not about the video, but about the speech itself -- about which we agree.
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rumcrook Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:17:04pm |
re: #237 Cognito
heres a perception for you....
the bad guys down the road this soldier was refering too, at some point becuase they dont have respect for this unit of police decide to take the fight to thier lazy ass's becuase thier feelin froggy! killing many of the guys being yelled at in this video.
why did they do it?
they percieved that these guys were no threat and an easy target.
perception
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:17:09pm |
re: #270 Cognito
Good question.
But not relevant to the video at hand, unfortunately.
"Good question, so I will ignore it".
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:17:40pm |
Anyone else as sick as I am of hearing how the Abu Grahb business disclaims the mission? From all I have gathered it hardly raised a hackle in Iraq, yet the world sees this as proof of the hated American imperialist's sinister intent - flamed beyond all reason by the worthless, America hating NY Times and gobbled up by anti-Americans everywhere. Dangerous media madness in the extreme.
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Luigi Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:17:48pm |
Ollie North is trashing Obama's Afgh surge on Hannity. Obama did it with maximum arrogance and unconcern for the troops involved. Nothing was said to the troops or the public; no mission, no plan.
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:17:58pm |
re: #276 Alouette
WTF is he talking about? Blacks were given the right to vote long before women.
Yep, and the poll tax, the reading tests, voter intimidation, etc were creations of over active imagination on the part of the press? They may have been given the right to vote, but exercising that right got more than a few killed.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:18:03pm |
re: #282 ploome hineni
I don;t thnk you are a know it all
I think you are a asshole
haaaaaaaaaa ROFLMAO
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:18:13pm |
re: #278 ploome hineni
no.....just answer the FUCKING QUESTION
You're brilliant at demanding answers to questions by the hundred, Ploome, but not so handy at answering even one them.
Have you had time to consider your 'solution' to the influx of Muslim immigrants in Europe?
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:18:30pm |
re: #284 godfrey
These Iraqi police haven't been doing sh*t and expect the kufr soldiers to do their work and give them things and take all the risk.
F*ck that.
This is about turning the dhimmitude table, too.
Those Iraqi police were put on perfect notice.
Really what would be perfect notice to all of them is to see the American soldiers pack up and leave and give them all the big finger. I got a nephew shipping out to Turdcrapistan, and it makes me sick.
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Chicago Blonde Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:18:41pm |
re: #245 Alouette
Glad I saw the tag!
Yeah, I was at Border's and in the documentaries they had a couple movies about Abu Ghraib. You know, to keep going on and on and on about it.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:18:43pm |
re: #258 UberInfidel67
I've been saying for quite some time that a BIG shift will happen in the ME when the women get pissed off. In some places, they are trying. Keep at it sisters!
I don't know if you remember but, I started a blog and started collecting all kinds of links about Islam's misogyny. As strong as I am from as much as I've endured and overcome, I still had to stop. It was grinding me down. I still have the blog and the links in the hope that one day I'll be able to put it out there.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:18:55pm |
re: #232 MandyManners
re: #218 Perplexed
Now, that's seriously fucked-up.
Well, yes.
And it's not just a problem in Arabic culture. I can quote you speeches in Latin, German and English that make the same assumption.
"What are you guys, a bunch of little girls?" Easiest way to insult a manly man, Mandy, in any language, any time, any culture. Viz. Schwarzenegger.
Unfortunate, but universally true.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:18:56pm |
re: #288 The Shadow Do
Anyone else as sick as I am of hearing how the Abu Grahb business disclaims the mission? From all I have gathered it hardly raised a hackle in Iraq, yet the world sees this as proof of the hated American imperialist's sinister intent - flamed beyond all reason by the worthless, America hating NY Times and gobbled up by anti-Americans everywhere. Dangerous media madness in the extreme.
yes
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:19:07pm |
re: #288 The Shadow Do
Anyone else as sick as I am of hearing how the Abu Grahb business disclaims the mission? From all I have gathered it hardly raised a hackle in Iraq, yet the world sees this as proof of the hated American imperialist's sinister intent - flamed beyond all reason by the worthless, America hating NY Times and gobbled up by anti-Americans everywhere. Dangerous media madness in the extreme.
Oooh, you speak facts and reality. Some people here don't like that.
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Maximu§ Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:19:25pm |
Fuck'n-A! this soldier is squared away and the stupid, lazy Iraqi Police got an earful. Not that it will change anything, but it sure made my day to hear it.
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ryannon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:19:26pm |
re: #23 Ojoe
Now I will go listen to the soldier.
All good posts deserve favor.
Prettier and prettier: watch it all turn blue....
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:19:30pm |
re: #289 ploome hineni
when does the COGNOTROLL GET THE STINKY STICK
Fun to play with. Sort of the way a dog plays with a cricket.
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tntb Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:19:37pm |
Is it demeaning to Iraqis? I think dying for people who don't care to help is demeaning. Very demeaning.
Guess we're all even.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:19:42pm |
Cognito is MSM...MSM gets people killed...Cognito gets people killed
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:20:03pm |
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:20:39pm |
re: #289 ploome hineni
when does the COGNOTROLL GET THE STINKY STICK
Quite possibly when I start reacting with the same lack of consideration that you've shown.
And for what it's worth, "That's a good question" is a figure of speech. It means "I dunno."
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:20:49pm |
re: #251 Cognito
Perception? Perception of what? My husband was embedded in the Iraqi Army his last tour to teach combat medicine. They were quite content to have him shoulder the heavy load - until he went off on them and told them it was their f'n country, their f'n friends bleeding, basically poop or get off the pot. It wasn't a "perception" that he was mad - he was pissed and he meant every last word of it. He told them if they didn't think this was worth fighting for, then dammit, neither did he. It went on and on - I've saved the email he sent right after it happened. It was a turning point - it wasn't perception, it was reality. I'm going to go watch the video now, I bet there are a lot of the same sentiments being spread.
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horse Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:21:00pm |
Yep, we still make men in this country. And it drives the leftists insane.
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naftali Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:21:03pm |
"Your encounter-group called. Their wussy is missing."
Sorry, what I meant to say was rather than calling out the misbehaving police officer to a fight and spending the next or twenty seconds regaining the floor, the soldier should have hauled off and rammed that guy's face with the but of his rifle. Would have cleaned that smirk right off.
Hoorah!
On a serious note: what makes you think that this soldier's performance exemplifies military training doctrine. What exactly do you think he accomplished with his speech.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:21:11pm |
re: #290 Luigi
Ollie North is trashing Obama's Afgh surge on Hannity. Obama did it with maximum arrogance and unconcern for the troops involved. Nothing was said to the troops or the public; no mission, no plan.
Hmmmm....Where have I heard that before? It sounds soooo familiar. I've been so occupied watching the moonbats slowly transformed into hawks that I forgot that conservatives are going to become whiny backseat drivers. I guess it's all part of the circle of life.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:21:14pm |
re: #267 BigMoo
It's interesting, a good friend of mine has done two tours there, trying to train the Iraqi National Police on investigative techniques and basic western police tactics. He's been astounded at how cowardly the average Iraqi Police Officer is when it comes to use of force and confronting 'bad guys'-unless the bad guys are unarmed.
The video just validates what he'd been telling me.
Their society does not have a history of the need for personal valor and bravery. With time, that might be able to change. I have no idea.
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:21:59pm |
re: #288 The Shadow Do
Copy That.
It's saddened me how a whiney American (and global) media depends on the American soldier for its freedom of the press (and freedom in general), yet will at the same time try to stick a shiv in their backs, given the opportunity.
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:22:09pm |
re: #288 The Shadow Do
Anyone else as sick as I am of hearing how the Abu Grahb business disclaims the mission? From all I have gathered it hardly raised a hackle in Iraq, yet the world sees this as proof of the hated American imperialist's sinister intent - flamed beyond all reason by the worthless, America hating NY Times and gobbled up by anti-Americans everywhere. Dangerous media madness in the extreme.
No media no problem.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:22:26pm |
re: #243 albusteve
oh fer gods sake....you get a grip...this guy is in the field trying to save lives...who gives a fuck what some general would say in a different time to a different audience
* * *
Petraeus is NOT just SOME general, he's the General who turned the Iraqi war around because he UNDERSTOOD his audience(s).
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:22:28pm |
re: #313 naftali
And YOUR expertise is what? You talk a lot of bullshit and have shown nothing to back up what you spew.
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gman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:22:35pm |
re: #285 Cognito
Of course. And once again we're back to talking not about the video, but about the speech itself -- about which we agree.
Wait until the moonbats get a copy of Iraqi soldiers and police in boot camp. I'm sure they will claim physical and verbal abuse as well.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:22:47pm |
re: #282 ploome hineni
I don;t thnk you are a know it all
I think you are a asshole
Back on my GAZE Roster.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:23:01pm |
re: #307 albusteve
Cognito is MSM...MSM gets people killed...Cognito gets people killed
I take language seriously. I reserve strong language for instances that call for it.
And you, here, have fairly well demanded the name of "idiot."
Congratulations.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:23:01pm |
re: #298 MandyManners I would be interested in seeing what you got. I am shocked at the brutality woman put up with. Maybe I am just a nasty bitch, but...with GOD as my witness, I will crush the skull of any man that ever tried that shit with me. I would kill him in his sleep. Maybe I have just seen to many women put up with it and it makes me violent.
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:23:40pm |
re: #302 Maximu§
I wish he'd come home and talk to some Obama supporters like that. A total lack of balls with that crowd.
But...they'd just go complain to their therapists....
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:23:49pm |
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godfrey Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:23:56pm |
And it's not just the police put on notice. Releasing this video to the world says American troops are not f*king Janissaries. THAT is the perception at issue, Cog, not this waaaah American soldier has hurt my feewings bullsh*t.
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:24:03pm |
re: #313 naftali
Man to man, the words don't do permanent damage. Insulting, yes, but they don't either kill or maim. It might get a guy motivated enough to do something about the sunni on shitte violence and thereby improve his own country.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:24:18pm |
re: #276 Alouette
WTF is he talking about? Blacks were given the right to vote long before women.
::cough::
Ever heard of Jim Crow?
Having a right and being allowed to exercise it are two different things.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:24:21pm |
re: #302 Maximu§
Fuck'n-A! this soldier is squared away and the stupid, lazy Iraqi Police got an earful. Not that it will change anything, but it sure made my day to hear it.
I'm a nut, your a nut too. Can we at least sing along?
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:24:25pm |
re: #325 Cognito
I take language seriously. I reserve strong language for instances that call for it.
And you, here, have fairly well demanded the name of "idiot."
Congratulations.
my pleasure
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JacksonTn Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:24:37pm |
re: #106 Cognito
No offense, but that response is as lazy as the Iraqi police are accused of being.
When someone starts off with "No offense" ...I usually stop listening ...
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:24:40pm |
Just when I was starting to wonder where he was, and maybe even miss him a bit, here comes Cognito to piss all over a perfectly good thread.
Nice one, bitch.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:24:49pm |
re: #299 Cato the Elder
Well, yes.
And it's not just a problem in Arabic culture. I can quote you speeches in Latin, German and English that make the same assumption.
"What are you guys, a bunch of little girls?" Easiest way to insult a manly man, Mandy, in any language, any time, any culture. Viz. Schwarzenegger.
Unfortunate, but universally true.
Any man who has to step on the back of a woman in order to feel superior to another man is no man in my book.
And, with that, I gotta' take a break 'cause I'm getting mighty pissed.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:24:55pm |
re: #325 Cognito
Coming from you, being called an idiot would be a badge of honor.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:25:02pm |
re: #291 Perplexed
Yep, and the poll tax, the reading tests, voter intimidation, etc were creations of over active imagination on the part of the press? They may have been given the right to vote, but exercising that right got more than a few killed.
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Maximu§ Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:25:08pm |
re: #328 BigMoo
I wish he'd come home and talk to some Obama supporters like that. A total lack of balls with that crowd.
But...they'd just go complain to their therapists....
Yeah, they would Piss their pants if confronted by a real American combat soldier.
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avanti Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:25:12pm |
re: #119 Cognito
But it's not about how we feel, here. And it's not just about motivating a handful of Iraqi police. It's about discretion. It's about persuading other people to fight on our behalf. "Hearts and minds" is a cliche for a reason.
I see a few Iraq's that at least stepped up to the plate to help their country being dressed down and called liars. Even if a few were bad guy infiltrators, others were lazy or less brave then the US soldier, the "perception" will be a insult to the Iraq in the street if it gets to them.
Appeal to their pride for trying to serve, not insult it on video for not meeting expectations.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:25:18pm |
re: #311 ArmyWife
Perception? Perception of what? My husband was embedded in the Iraqi Army his last tour to teach combat medicine. They were quite content to have him shoulder the heavy load - until he went off on them and told them it was their f'n country, their f'n friends bleeding, basically poop or get off the pot. It wasn't a "perception" that he was mad - he was pissed and he meant every last word of it. He told them if they didn't think this was worth fighting for, then dammit, neither did he. It went on and on - I've saved the email he sent right after it happened. It was a turning point - it wasn't perception, it was reality. I'm going to go watch the video now, I bet there are a lot of the same sentiments being spread.
That's a fine sentiment, a worthy sentiment for sure, but it's got nothing to do with what I've talked about here.
I'll say again:
"I will not help people who will not help themselves" is an excellent sentiment. Iraq needs to start shouldering its own national load.
So those fellas may have deserved every word.
But for heaven's sake, when will we learn to stop videotaping ourselves and then letting it splash around on the Internet?
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:25:27pm |
Ah- another lovely thread devoted to cog's attention needs.
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:25:30pm |
On a serious note: what makes you think that this soldier's performance exemplifies military training doctrine. What exactly do you think he accomplished with his speech.
Well all of us that saw it are reassured that our soldiers haven't yet been turned into Democrat Liberal whackjobs. I certainly feel inspired. I'm ready to march down to where the guy said and kick some ass.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:25:46pm |
re: #258 UberInfidel67
I've been saying for quite some time that a BIG shift will happen in the ME when the women get pissed off. In some places, they are trying. Keep at it sisters!
* * * *
Ironically, Iraq was one of the countries where women had the highest education and were an important part of the workforce outside the home.
(Like Iran was during the Shah's rule, when women were encouraged to study & become professionals in the Western sense)
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:26:09pm |
re: #344 Sharmuta
Ah- another lovely thread devoted to cog's attention needs.
I'm out of it and sorry I ever opened my mouth
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:26:28pm |
re: #315 MandyManners
Let's hope-so our troops can some day come home.
Interesting side story, he also used to tell me about an Iraqi 'tribe' that wore special camo uniforms that had become the 'fire brigade' for the Iraqi Army- incredible fighters-and feared by everyone. So there's some backbone to work with.
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Arby Dwiar Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:26:46pm |
re: #304 Perplexed
He is being intellectually squashed like an ugly, miserable bug on the sidewalk of life.
For ol' Cog
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:27:13pm |
re: #328 BigMoo
I wish he'd come home and talk to some Obama supporters like that. A total lack of balls with that crowd.
But...they'd just go complain to their therapists....
The ones our tax dollars are paying with Medicaid?
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:27:31pm |
re: #333 Cato the Elder
::cough::
Ever heard of Jim Crow?
Having a right and being allowed to exercise it are two different things.
I have heard of it, just like I have heard of slavery, so what? Is that an excuse to vote more than once? To claim perpetual victimhood for stuff that happened before you were born?
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:27:36pm |
re: #308 ploome hineni
thanks
let him answer ONE FUCKING QUESTION
/at least
lol
Please. I answer your endless questions with what is, I think, some measure of patience.
You can't even answer one of your own questions: What's your 'solution' to Muslim immigration in Europe?
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gman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:27:37pm |
re: #345 kansas
On a serious note: what makes you think that this soldier's performance exemplifies military training doctrine. What exactly do you think he accomplished with his speech.
Well all of us that saw it are reassured that our soldiers haven't yet been turned into Democrat Liberal whackjobs. I certainly feel inspired. I'm ready to march down to where the guy said and kick some ass.
I want to hear Cog's motivational speech to the Iraqi Police.
"Please, guys, would you please.......?"
"I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings."
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:27:38pm |
re: #320 alegrias
And your knowledge of all the man did is what? You take ONE media canned speech and ASSUME that is the entirety of the approach used.
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The Other Les Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:27:48pm |
Not advocacy, empathy.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:28:08pm |
"Goddamnit, I'm not running for the Shah of Persia. There are no practice games in life. It's eat or be eaten, kill or be killed. I want my bunch to be in there first, to be the 'fustest with the mostest'. They won't do it if I ask them nicely."
-- George S. Patton
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:28:17pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:28:25pm |
re: #314 Killgore Trout
Hmmmm....Where have I heard that before? It sounds soooo familiar. I've been so occupied watching the moonbats slowly transformed into hawks that I forgot that conservatives are going to become whiny backseat drivers. I guess it's all part of the circle of
lifepoo.
All we're missing is Mr. Hankey.
The floor is open for nominations.
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:28:41pm |
re: #340 Alouette
Knew what you linked to even before I clicked on it. Black panthers aren't local law enforcement and local law enforcement were used to prevent blacks from voting in some precincts.
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tsionguy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:28:44pm |
re: #313 naftali
Naftali, I have no doubt he gained their respect. Every time my father went on patrol with the Tzahal, the troup commander always lead at the front of the patrol. Nobody whined, slacked off, or questioned the commander.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:28:51pm |
re: #217 Cognito
Yes.
Cognito, I just got in. You are right about the meaning of calling them women. That said, I think you are wrong about its impact. We are on a clock in Iraq, given the Status of Forces Agreement if nothing else. Moreover, these police have likely been given nicer speechs several times before. They need some blunt truth to make the point that they are failing.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:28:56pm |
hmmmmmmmmm..............perception..........hmmmmmmmm.............Abu Grahib..........hmmmm.................woodchippers..............rape rooms........WATERBOARDING!..........hmmmmm............perception..........scolding lazy/possible traitorous policemen.....hmmmmm........yeah, we gotta watch our image...........
/twit....
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:29:09pm |
re: #330 ArmyWife
It's sad that there are still people in this country who don't "get" the sacrifice you and your family make on their behalf.
I don't understand those that do not appreciate what their country does for them in general or what military families give in particular.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:29:11pm |
If this IS - THE WAY IT IS - they will soon have "Sadaam Lite" ruling their (Rump) Nation - AND - KURDISTAN will be a free Nation. Worse results could happen.
-S-
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:29:42pm |
re: #352 Alouette
Sorry, but I grew up in the 50s and 60s while that crap was still going on.
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nyc redneck Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:29:57pm |
re: #290 Luigi
Ollie North is trashing Obama's Afgh surge on Hannity. Obama did it with maximum arrogance and unconcern for the troops involved. Nothing was said to the troops or the public; no mission, no plan.
where are the libs marching and protesting in the street.
oh, this is o's surge. so war is fine, now.
fcking idiots.
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Kaymad Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:30:03pm |
Demeaning to the Iraqi's? The soldier was Fucking (I really don't use that word enough) brilliant by playing to the status of these guys manhood.
Having been a soldier myself and on the receiving end of a critique by a SFC such as this (and that was only over office work...not life or death) and married to a soldier with 20 years of service this isn't unusual. My husband was always brilliant at playing the hard-ass, cuss em out, make them do the same job over and over (such as loading and unloading a conex), but the moment the soldier had a problem or needed something he was all over it. Probably the same with this guy and I'd bet half those Iraqi's (if they are anything like the US soldiers) respect him for it.
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Chicago Blonde Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:30:15pm |
re: #346 Iron Fist
That's exactly it - the media was all too happy to use it as a stick to bash us over the head. There was a spiteful, vindictive, quality to it.
Media/Democrat axis - I love it!
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jjmckay1216 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:30:30pm |
re: #313 naftali
i think his point was made and taken by the Iraqi commanders that were standing there in the way he wanted to make the point. shit or gett off the pot. wake the hell up and do something. My old football coach would go off on someone to make a point to the guys who were not getting it. That shit works wonders. we'll have to see how this does
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:30:48pm |
re: #341 Maximu§
Makes for an interesting psychological discussion... they hate the military, yet depend on the military for their freedom and protection.
Maybe a guy (or gal) with a gun and the balls to use it just flat intimidates them...or shames them.
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:30:51pm |
re: #356 Iron Fist
The Media are the Enemy.
No shit. Can you even imagine the outcome of WWII with today's media? I'm sure you've seen the satires on what D Day would have been with CNN broadcasting the whole thing. Shit, today's media is like having Tokyo Rose on our screens day in and day out.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:31:08pm |
re: #343 Cognito
It's war. War isn't polite. This was nothing.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:31:14pm |
re: #335 albusteve
my pleasure
Idiot.
Does it make you feel like a big boy to say, "Cognito gets people killed"?
Does it make you feel like you've graduated from plastic pull-up underwear to elasticized pants?
Does it make you feel like you can, being a big straaaapin' fellow on the Internet, finally offer some glimpse of pleasure to a woman for the first time in your life?
Does saying, "Cognito gets people killed" make you feel, even for an instant, like something other than a loser?
I hope you can answer 'yes' to each of those. Because otherwise you're not only wrong, you're wasting your own time.
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alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:31:15pm |
re: #290 Luigi
Ollie North is trashing Obama's Afgh surge on Hannity. Obama did it with maximum arrogance and unconcern for the troops involved. Nothing was said to the troops or the public; no mission, no plan.
* * *
Col. North pointed out President Bush visited the TROOPS first, before visiting any foreign country.
Obama didn't have the class to address in person the troops he was sending to Afghanistan. Obama doesn't want his leftists to find out Afghanistan is Obama's War, now. He has to fight his Tah-lee-bahn! Oh no!
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:31:32pm |
re: #351 kansas
'Xactly-and I'd be for more Medicaid spending if THAT soldier was their therapist.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:32:24pm |
re: #314 Killgore Trout
Hmmmm....Where have I heard that before? It sounds soooo familiar. I've been so occupied watching the moonbats slowly transformed into hawks that I forgot that conservatives are going to become whiny backseat drivers. I guess it's all part of the circle of life.
Heh
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:32:25pm |
re: #361 OldLineTexan
I expect Fox News to start making exaggerated claims about civilian casualties and screaming "Quagmire!" withing 6 months.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:32:26pm |
re: #378 Cognito
Idiot.
Does it make you feel like a big boy to say, "Cognito gets people killed"?
Does it make you feel like you've graduated from plastic pull-up underwear to elasticized pants?
Does it make you feel like you can, being a big straaaapin' fellow on the Internet, finally offer some glimpse of pleasure to a woman for the first time in your life?
Does saying, "Cognito gets people killed" make you feel, even for an instant, like something other than a loser?
I hope you can answer 'yes' to each of those. Because otherwise you're not only wrong, you're wasting your own time.
you've lost your temper it seems...have a cookie amigo
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:32:41pm |
re: #353 Cognito
What's your 'solution' to Muslim immigration in Europe?
And what exactly does that have to do with the video that is the subject of the thread? The video you keep trying to use as a bludgeon on anyone that goes "off topic" even in the slightest in your perception.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:32:56pm |
re: #251 Cognito
I've not worn the boots of the military, which is one of my great regrets. But I have been alongside them, yes. And I promise you that certain important segments of the military are big into perception as mission.
And perception is important, Cog. But in this case, I think it was overridden byy the fact that nothing short of a verbal smackdown would suffice to get those men's attention. Sometimes you need to throw perceptions to the wind and get on the job. Then you need to deal with the blowback, and you are right that there will be some.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:33:22pm |
re: #354 gman
I want to hear Cog's motivational speech to the Iraqi Police.
"Please, guys, would you please.......?"
"I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings."
Once again. For those apparently unable to read along apace.
We agree on the guy's speech. Where we disagree -- apparently, although it's hard to tell -- is on the indiscretion of taping the speech, and then watching it zing around the internet.
It's stupid. It's bad propaganda.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:33:27pm |
NCO Creed
No one is more professional than I. I am a Noncommissioned Officer, a leader of soldiers. As a Noncommissioned Officer, I realize that I am a member of a time honored corps, which is known as "The Backbone of the Army". I am proud of the Corps of Noncommissioned Officers and will at all times conduct myself so as to bring credit upon the Corps, the Military Service and my country regardless of the situation in which I find myself. I will not use my grade or position to attain pleasure, profit, or personal safety.
Competence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be uppermost in my mind -- accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of my soldiers. I will strive to remain tactically and technically proficient. I am aware of my role as a Noncommissioned Officer. I will fulfill my responsibilities inherent in that role. All soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will provide that leadership. I know my soldiers and I will always place their needs above my own. I will communicate consistently with my soldiers and never leave them uninformed. I will be fair and impartial when recommending both rewards and punishment.
Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties; they will not have to accomplish mine. I will earn their respect and confidence as well as that of my soldiers. I will be loyal to those with whom I serve; seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. I will exercise initiative by taking appropriate action in the absence of orders. I will not compromise my integrity, nor my moral courage. I will not forget, nor will I allow my comrades to forget that we are professionals, Noncommissioned Officers, leaders!
| 388 |
kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:33:52pm |
re: #380 BigMoo
'Xactly-and I'd be for more Medicaid spending if THAT soldier was their therapist.
I might even kick in for that.
| 389 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:33:54pm |
re: #377 ArmyWife
It's war. War isn't polite. This was nothing.
Again.
Again.
Again.
It's not the speech. It's the 'record' button.
| 390 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:34:08pm |
re: #384 FurryOldGuyJeans
And what exactly does that have to do with the video that is the subject of the thread? The video you keep trying to use as a bludgeon on anyone that goes "off topic" even in the slightest in your perception.
That would be a "banned account" booby trap... and not a very good one at that.
| 391 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:34:13pm |
re: #386 Cognito
Once again. For those apparently unable to read along apace.
We agree on the guy's speech. Where we disagree -- apparently, although it's hard to tell -- is on the indiscretion of taping the speech, and then watching it zing around the internet.
It's stupid. It's bad propaganda.
and so are you...have another cookie
| 393 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:34:38pm |
re: #313 naftali
"Your encounter-group called. Their wussy is missing."
Sorry, what I meant to say was rather than calling out the misbehaving police officer to a fight and spending the next or twenty seconds regaining the floor, the soldier should have hauled off and rammed that guy's face with the but of his rifle. Would have cleaned that smirk right off.
Hoorah!
On a serious note: what makes you think that this soldier's performance exemplifies military training doctrine. What exactly do you think he accomplished with his speech.
You remind me of guys I knew in the Army that would completely miss the reason of a dressing down like this because they got their feelings hurt.
| 394 |
Lazarus Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:34:39pm |
Good for him, but the fact that he'd have to do this almost six years after Saddam was ousted shows that we're wasting our time with these animals. What kind of culture lets a two-bit tyrant run them into the ground, fights against its liberator, and immediately runs to another Stone Age tyrant like al-Sadr for another round of Perpetual Tribal Warfare?
We should have left them to hack each other to death, but instead we'll keep throwing our brave fighting men into a meatgrinder for God knows how long.
| 396 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:34:54pm |
re: #377 ArmyWife
It's war. War isn't polite. This was nothing.
The media goes all atwitter about things that have no real meaning on a battlefield except to distract from the mission at hand.
This video was mild compared to some of the speeches I heard when I was in the Navy.
| 397 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:35:01pm |
re: #390 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
That would be a "banned account" booby trap... and not a very good one at that.
Hi LT...:)
| 399 |
IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:35:22pm |
"Does it make you feel..........blah blah blah..............
/twit..........
| 400 |
Euler Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:35:25pm |
Jonah Goldberg linked to this "motivational speech" this morning. Great minds think alike!
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godfrey Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:35:39pm |
So Lefties will wring their hands in mock concern and Cog will don another hairshirt. How edifying. Cog, I hope you go to bat for this guy as readily as you worry about this video's release.
| 402 |
kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:35:47pm |
re: #389 Cognito
Again.
Again.
Again.
It's not the speech. It's the 'record' button.
OK. I get it. Then the first thing that should have been on the video is the butt of that soldier's rifle hitting the camera lens before it smashed the skull of the operator. I get it now. Thanks.
| 403 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:35:53pm |
re: #383 albusteve
you've lost your temper it seems...have a cookie amigo
Oh, ha -- this is just conversation, man. There's no temper here. I'm just giving you a sip of your own absurd medicine.
| 404 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:35:57pm |
re: #382 Killgore Trout
I expect Fox News to start making exaggerated claims about civilian casualties and screaming "Quagmire!" withing 6 months.
Fox? I'll take that bet.
In six months they will be on their knees just like the rest of the "news".
Fairness Doctrine, or just the whiff of it, plus plain old-fashioned opportunism.
Fox News was created to fill a perceived niche in a market, and it did so. The dufuses screaming "right wing" and "Faux News" just padded Murdoch's wallet.
It's the US of A. "News" is about King Dollar.
| 405 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:36:03pm |
re: #389 Cognito
Again.
Again.
Again.
It's not the speech. It's the 'record' button.
Cog is most worried that someday his crap will be caught by the "record" button.
| 406 |
Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:36:10pm |
re: #386 Cognito
How do you know it's bad propaganda?
Have you seen reports somewhere - somewhere us knuckle-draggin neanderthals might not have access - that this little snippet is somehow demoralizing the Iraqi police, the citizenry?
Please. Tell us, oh wise one, how you know it's bad propaganda?
(That's Noam Wise-Ass Speak for "Got a link?")
| 407 |
van helsing Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:36:10pm |
re: #365 IslandLibertarian
hmmmmmmmmm..............perception..........hmmmmm mmm.............Abu Grahib..........hmmmm.................woodchippers ..............rape rooms........WATERBOARDING!..........hmmmmm....... .....perception..........scolding lazy/possible traitorous policemen.....hmmmmm........yeah, we gotta watch our image...........
/twit....
Like that asshole Eason Jordan that admitted he didn't report any of the vile shit going on with Saddam (dead) and his sons (also dead) because he didn't want to lose 'access'. WTF did he need ACCESS for if he wasn't going to report anything anyway?
| 408 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:36:20pm |
| 409 |
JacksonTn Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:36:57pm |
re: #405 Walter L. Newton
Cog is most worried that someday his crap will be caught by the "record" button.
Woot Woot ! I think you hit it on the head there ...
| 410 |
Scorch Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:37:12pm |
Sometimes everyone needs a wake up call. Hell does not sound any worse than some of the locker room butt chewings from our coaches when we were down at half time. Of course this is probably considered torture to some in todays touchy, feely world.
| 411 |
abolitionist Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:37:15pm |
I think he could learn a thing or two from Patton's famous speech.
| 412 |
Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:37:26pm |
So war isn't supposed to be ugly? We're not to say ugly things and mean what we say? So ugly trash talk to folks isn't allowed?
PC will get us killed.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:37:30pm |
re: #379 alegrias
* * *
Col. North pointed out President Bush visited the TROOPS first, before visiting any foreign country.Obama didn't have the class to address in person the troops he was sending to Afghanistan. Obama doesn't want his leftists to find out Afghanistan is Obama's War, now. He has to fight his Tah-lee-bahn! Oh no!
Alegrias -
To Pres. Obama, the troops are numbers, mere ciphers. Need I say more?
-S-
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:37:43pm |
re: #406 Noam Sayin'
How do you know it's bad propaganda?
Have you seen reports somewhere - somewhere us knuckle-draggin neanderthals might not have access - that this little snippet is somehow demoralizing the Iraqi police, the citizenry?
Please. Tell us, oh wise one, how you know it's bad propaganda?
(That's Noam Wise-Ass Speak for "Got a link?")
Haven't you learned by now that what he says is bad propaganda is so simply because he says it? Media boy knows propaganda inside and out.
| 416 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:37:47pm |
re: #403 Cognito
Oh, ha -- this is just conversation, man. There's no temper here. I'm just giving you a sip of your own absurd medicine.
another cookie?....
| 417 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:38:00pm |
re: #397 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty!
Ya know your NCO creed thing made me think of my last official act as a Commissioned Officer before I got hurt.
We were waiting for the mortar tube to cool before doing the round extraction procedure. Standing around in a little, cold, cluster in the rain on a road.
I took a piss on the gun squad leader's leg. (He was wearing rain pants).
It was funny as hell. We were a close unit. The MSM would never had understood.
| 418 |
Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:38:01pm |
re: #368 Perplexed
Sorry, but I grew up in the 50s and 60s while that crap was still going on.
So what, I know people who are Holocaust survivors.
| 419 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:38:17pm |
re: #389 Cognito
Again.
Again.
Again.
It's not the speech. It's the 'record' button.
Nobody's wife, son, or daughter was raped. No ones head was cut off. No one was shot. No one had his arms or legs broken. No one was thrown off a roof. No one was hacked to death. No one had his hands cut off. It was a speech. Deal with it.
| 420 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:38:28pm |
re: #389 Cognito
Again.
Again.
Again.
It's not the speech. It's the 'record' button.
You have a point, I have agreed. And I'll be honest myself: I would never give a speech like that in front of a camera, no matter what was at stake.
| 421 |
Render Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:38:43pm |
I heard this same kind of speech, on a regular basis (almost daily), when I was a teenager. From Dad.
I heard the same kind of speech, usually at halftime, from almost every single winning coach I played organized football for.
Looked and sounded like standard DI/halftime "pep talk" stuff to me...
"WakeTF up! Take the Fing trash to the Fing street! Fing block that Fing linebacker!"
===
Sources that I trust tell me from what they could hear, the translator was repeating word for word, with the exception of the curse words.
One of those sources said he thought it seemed like the translator and the American had practiced the speech before it was filmed, or at least given it before.
===
Cognito: Of course the combat translators are wearing masks. They have what may be the very most dangerous job in Iraq, for them and for their families. Of course they fear potentially disloyal members of the Iraqi security services, such disloyalty is practically a tradition in that region. Lemme know when you start posting under your real name...
Uh-huh...
===
Embarrassing to the US? Not hardly, I'm proud of that man. I'm proud and damn glad that that man is on my side. Men like him are the strength of this nation personified.
Like a blogger friend said, "I'd hire him." In a heartbeat, he doesn't even need a resume, that video alone will more then suffice.
RED WHITE
AND BRUISED,
R
| 422 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:38:57pm |
re: #417 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Hey Dusty!
Ya know your NCO creed thing made me think of my last official act as a Commissioned Officer before I got hurt.
We were waiting for the mortar tube to cool before doing the round extraction procedure. Standing around in a little, cold, cluster in the rain on a road.
I took a piss on the gun squad leader's leg. (He was wearing rain pants).
It was funny as hell. We were a close unit. The MSM would never had understood.
ROFLMAO...:)
| 423 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:39:03pm |
re: #384 FurryOldGuyJeans
And what exactly does that have to do with the video that is the subject of the thread? The video you keep trying to use as a bludgeon on anyone that goes "off topic" even in the slightest in your perception.
It made sense to the person I was addressing. Who wasn't, note, you.
| 424 |
bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:39:11pm |
re: #386 Cognito
Once again. For those apparently unable to read along apace.
We agree on the guy's speech. Where we disagree -- apparently, although it's hard to tell -- is on the indiscretion of taping the speech, and then watching it zing around the internet.
It's stupid. It's bad propaganda.
prop⋅a⋅gan⋅da
/ˌprɒpəˈgændə/ [prop-uh-gan-duh]
–noun
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely (by the media) to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc., (by the media)
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement (such as the media)
there is no such thing as good propaganda
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:39:39pm |
re: #419 Nevergiveup
Nobody's wife, son, or daughter was raped. No ones head was cut off. No one was shot. No one had his arms or legs broken. No one was thrown off a roof. No one was hacked to death. No one had his hands cut off. It was a speech. Deal with it.
But, but, Muslim sensibilities are most hurt by words...that other shit not so much.
| 428 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:40:09pm |
Oh lord, grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls, the courage to debate with honest opponents, and the wisdom to know the difference.
| 429 |
Bloodnok Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:40:10pm |
After watching this allI have to say is:
If That's What It Takes.
/good 'nuf for me
| 430 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:40:23pm |
re: #425 ploome hineni
if we give him the bag of cookies, will he go away?
I'm the Cookie Monster....lotsa cookies
| 431 |
IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:40:23pm |
Put this on the front page or film at 11:00 or YouTube:
WE'RE MAD AS HELL AND WE'RE NOT GUNNA' TAKE IT ANYMORE!
What they think of us is none of our business!
| 432 |
godfrey Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:40:29pm |
I've heard a lot worse than what this soldier dished out, good as it was.
| 433 |
Dan G. Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:40:43pm |
For those worried about the potential that this will be used as propaganda, how so, and why would it necessarily be bad? I'll bet this vid was shown to everyone these Iraqi police knew (subtitled, of course). How better to get them off of their ass? Shame is anathema to the proud.
| 434 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:40:45pm |
re: #423 Cognito
So YOU can go off topic when it suits YOU, but you won't ever allow anyone else ever?
Oh, forgive me for usurping YOUR authority here at lgf.
/s
| 435 |
naftali Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:40:54pm |
re: #363 tsionguy
For sure.
I just thought it weird to hear a soldier wasting time 'talking' an enemy into being a patriot. Or talking cowards into bravery. It's easier to sit and criticize than it is to solve the problem, and I mean no disrespect to the soldier.
Maybe the problem is the character of the security force itself, or at least that part of it being berated by the soldier. But I've cannot imagine the cowardice or treason being corrected by a stern talking to. Jewish soldiers, lehavdil, are not cowards to begin with.
And i could care less about arab shame. that wasn't my point.
| 437 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:41:12pm |
re: #417 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
VET - MP -
You are right on "they don't get it." - Problem is - THEY NEVER WILL!
-S-
| 438 |
alegrias Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:41:23pm |
re: #413 Dr. Shalit
Alegrias -
To Pres. Obama, the troops are numbers, mere ciphers. Need I say more?
-S-
* ***
You're right, to Obama, they're not quite up to his high "community organizing" standards, so our MILITARY will take budget CUTS, unlike Obama's ACORN, SEIU, United Auto Workers and other union cultists.
Meanwhile Obama congratulated that socialist solar company, NAMASTE, where all the workers are paid the same wage and get 6 weeks vacation & a federal bailout!
| 439 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:41:26pm |
re: #421 Render
Cognito: Of course the combat translators are wearing masks. They have what may be the very most dangerous job in Iraq, for them and for their families. Of course they fear potentially disloyal members of the Iraqi security services, such disloyalty is practically a tradition in that region. Lemme know when you start posting under your real name...Uh-huh...
Yes, Render. That was my point.
| 440 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:41:40pm |
re: #436 UberInfidel67
From my cookbook! lol
Yes- I rewrote the old LGF prayer to reflect a feast for the cookbook. Hope it's enjoyed.
| 441 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:42:25pm |
re: #424 bellamags
there is no such thing as good propaganda
Oh, man. Are you being seriou
-- this is useless.
Ah well.
| 442 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:42:38pm |
re: #428 Sharmuta
Oh lord, grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls, the courage to debate with honest opponents, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Well, Cog is no troll. He is mostly wrong on this, but he is honest and sincere in this matter.
| 443 |
UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:42:39pm |
re: #440 Sharmuta
I have been checking the book out all day. Some really good food in there.
| 444 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:42:51pm |
I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and member of a team. I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined,. physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier.
| 445 |
Arby Dwiar Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:42:56pm |
re: #414 Iron Fist
The New York Times would have broken a story telling when and where we were going to hit Normandy with the unspoke admonition to the Nazis to fuckin' kick American ass.
And they would have been calling for warcrimes trials for Truman and MacAuthur after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
You're right -
| 446 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:43:26pm |
| 447 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:43:33pm |
re: #442 Dark_Falcon
Well, Cog is no troll.
That's debatable, but you and I can just agree to disagree.
| 448 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:43:37pm |
re: #439 Cognito
Yes, Render. That was my point.
Like I said, you're just worried that someday you silly-assed crap will be exposed on a video, and blow your cover. MSM tool.
| 449 |
unclassifiable Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:43:41pm |
re: #386 Cognito
I am so fucking tired of keeping my mouth shut because the truth I have to say may be viewed as "bad propaganda".
Fuck
that
shit.
We just had the attorney general of the United States call everyone in the country he serves cowards.
Why?
Because we won't speak about race because it's "bad propaganda".
You're full of shit Cognito and I am calling you on it.
| 450 |
Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:43:43pm |
re: #441 Cognito
Ah well.
Oh, you're leaving so soon? Let me get your coat.
Bye, bye. Nice to see you again. Come again when you can't stay so long.
| 451 |
tsionguy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:43:43pm |
re: #386 Cognito
I think it's great propaganda. It shows a soldier who really gives a sh_t.
| 452 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:44:40pm |
re: #386 Cognito
I thought it was great. I think people should see this. I think people should understand war sucks and it calls for a different set of behaviors than you'd see in an office. It takes special people to do this kind of work. This guy stood in front of a crowd that could have revolted and caused serious harm. That never stopped him because he had a mission to accomplish. This, for those unable to recognize it, is called bravery.
The Army isn't the girl scouts. People DIE out there. Respect for working as a cohesive unit, respect for the chain of command, respect for lawful orders, respect for the position of superiors is essential to survival. It's not about self esteem out there, it's about killing the bad guy, and keeping the good guys safe. When liberal do gooders come in and get all wrapped up over trying to PC the Army, we lose soldiers. That is not acceptable.
| 453 |
FrogMarch Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:45:12pm |
re: #276 Alouette
WTF is he talking about? Blacks were given the right to vote long before women.
Indeed they were.
| 454 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:45:37pm |
| 455 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:45:40pm |
re: #396 FurryOldGuyJeans
It's mild compared to what I've seen my husband do to some PFC at an airport with his uniform on incorrectly.
| 456 |
avanti Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:45:40pm |
re: #385 Dark_Falcon
And perception is important, Cog. But in this case, I think it was overridden byy the fact that nothing short of a verbal smackdown would suffice to get those men's attention. Sometimes you need to throw perceptions to the wind and get on the job. Then you need to deal with the blowback, and you are right that there will be some.
That may well be true, but I think Cog's main point was that the video floating around may well do more damage than the verbal ass kicking speech did good. I think one of the reasons for the success of the surge was Petraus's knowledge of the culture how to deal with the Iraq's. I'd love to see how much Petraus would love the video, i suspect, not so much..
| 457 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:45:47pm |
If D-day happened today...
June 6, 1944. -NORMANDY- Three hundred French civilians were killed and
thousands more wounded today in the first hours of America's invasion of
continental Europe. Casualties were heaviest among women and children. Most
of the French casualties were the result of artillery fire from American
ships attempting to knock out German fortifications prior to the landing of
hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops. Reports from a makeshift hospital in
the French town of St. Mere Eglise said the carnage was far worse than the
French had anticipated and reaction against the American invasion was
running high. "We are dying for no reason," said a Frenchman speaking on
condition of anonymity. "Americans can't even shoot straight. I never
thought I'd say this, but life was better under Adolph Hitler."
The invasion also caused severe environmental damage. American troops,
tanks, trucks and machinery destroyed miles of pristine shoreline and
thousands of acres of ecologically sensitive wetlands. It was believed that
the habitat of the spineless French crab was completely wiped out,
threatening the species with extinction.
A representative of Greenpeace said his organization, which had tried to
stall the invasion for over a year, was appalled at the destruction, but not
surprised.
"This is just another example of how the military destroys the environment
without a second thought, " said Christine Moanmore. "And it's all about
corporate greed."
Contacted at his Manhattan home, a member of the French government-in-exile
who abandoned Paris when Hitler invaded, said the invasion was based solely
on American financial interests. "Everyone knows that President Roosevelt
has ties to big beer," said Pierre LeWimp. "Once the German beer industry is
conquered, Roosevelt's beer cronies will control the world market and make a
fortune."
Administration supporters said America's aggressive actions were based in
part on the assertions of controversial scientist Albert Einstein, who sent
a letter to Roosevelt speculating that the Germans were developing a secret
weapon, a so-called "atomic bomb." Such a weapon could produce casualties on
a scale never seen before and cause environmental damage that could last for
thousands of years.
Hitler has denied having such a weapon and international inspectors were
unable to locate such weapons even after spending two long weekends in
Germany. Shortly after the invasion began reports surfaced that German
prisoners had been abused by Americans. Mistreatment of Jews by Germans at
so-called "concentration camps" has been rumored but, so far, remains
unproven.
Several thousand Americans died during the first hours of the invasion and
French officials are concerned that uncollected corpses pose a public health
risk. "The Americans should have planned for this in advance," they said.
"It's their mess and we don't intend to clean it up."
| 458 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:46:16pm |
Last update - 01:49 20/02/2009
Black September terrorist who plotted to attack Golda Meir released from U.S. prison
By The Associated Press
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
And the world just got a little more dangerous again. Thank G-D there are men like that soldier to protect us.
| 459 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:46:27pm |
re: #449 unclassifiable
unclassifiable -
DO YOU REALIZE - That If Reparations were adopted in the late 1990's - the COST Would Have Been LESS than the "Bailout?"
-S-
| 461 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:46:49pm |
| 462 |
Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:46:59pm |
| 463 |
bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:47:12pm |
| 464 |
BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:47:15pm |
re: #386 Cognito
I disagree-it's GREAT propaganda.
It's a demonstration of an American Warrior (accustomed to kicking ass) verbally kicking the asses of some less than enthusiastic locals. I want the world to see that we're serious about securing that nation and hopefully getting the hell out of there.
Obviously, you've never been down by three touchdowns at halftime and had to bear the wrath of your coach...pity, it's a character building experience.
| 465 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:47:25pm |
| 466 |
Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:48:02pm |
"And my existence, while grotesque to you, saves lives! But deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, - you want me on that wall - you need me on that wall.
We use words like honour, code, loyalty.
They're the backbone of our lives.
You use them as a punchline!
I haven't the time or inclination to explain myself to a man who needs my protection - but questions the way in which I provide it.
Better just to thank me.
Or pick up a gun and stand a post.
You fucking people have no idea how to defend a nation."
Never thought much of the film, but I always liked the speech.
| 467 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:48:03pm |
| 468 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:48:12pm |
Interesting argument.
"The internet is indiscreet. Uncensored videos zip around, hurting the perception of America in the world....
... So ...
Maybe some group of authorized professionals had better get control of this internet thing, for the sake of our image in the world."
/
| 469 |
bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:48:18pm |
re: #464 BigMoo
I disagree-it's GREAT propaganda.
It's a demonstration of an American Warrior (accustomed to kicking ass) verbally kicking the asses of some less than enthusiastic locals. I want the world to see that we're serious about securing that nation and hopefully getting the hell out of there.Obviously, you've never been down by three touchdowns at halftime and had to bear the wrath of your coach...pity, it's a character building experience.
good analogy, i would hate to be on the receiving end of an angry NFL coach.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:48:20pm |
re: #428 Sharmuta
And please. Pray for me that I don't haul off and say something I may regret, as some of these comments hit very, very close to home.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:48:31pm |
re: #449 unclassifiable
I am so fucking tired of keeping my mouth shut because the truth I have to say may be viewed as "bad propaganda".
Fuck
that
shit.
We just had the attorney general of the United States call everyone in the country he serves cowards.
Why?
Because we won't speak about race because it's "bad propaganda".
You're full of shit Cognito and I am calling you on it.
And let me give you a prediction. The AG said this because he is going to set the table for reparations.
Watch!
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:49:04pm |
re: #469 bellamags
good analogy, i would hate to be on the receiving end of an angry NFL coach.
for their wages I would in a heartbeat...jus sayin
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naftali Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:49:26pm |
re: #393 CyanSnowHawk
You were never dressed down for being a traitor and people who join the army are not likely cowards.
This dressing down was pointless. at least as far as i can tell.
If we 'dress down' your silly ad-hom to an argument, it would seek to compare what we see on the video to an american military dress down.
Fine. Why don't you just state your point.
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:49:43pm |
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godfrey Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:49:49pm |
Cog, you don't seem to get that the only people who will be upset by this video are like the cowardly Iraqi police or the pompous Muslim supremacists. Why does that bother you?
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:49:57pm |
re: #469 bellamags
good analogy, i would hate to be on the receiving end of an angry NFL coach.
And they've got a Union !
lol
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rightwinger3 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:50:00pm |
re: #387 Dustyvet
Wow, Dusty that's a mouthful. Here's mine
I am an NCO dedicated to training new Marines and influencing the old. I am forever conscious of each Marine under my charge, and by example will inspire him to the highest standards possible. I will strive to be patient, understanding, just, and firm. I will commend the deserving and encourage the wayward.
I will never forget that I am responsible to my Commanding Officer for the morale, discipline, and efficiency of my men. Their performance will reflect an image of me.
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:50:13pm |
re: #468 jaunte
Interesting argument.
"The internet is indiscreet. Uncensored videos zip around, hurting the perception of America in the world....
... So ...
Maybe some group of authorized professionals had better get control of this internet thing, for the sake of our image in the world."
/
I'd like to get back to the perception of America in the world of if you don't like it, tough shit.
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unclassifiable Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:50:39pm |
re: #459 Dr. Shalit
unclassifiable -
DO YOU REALIZE - That If Reparations were adopted in the late 1990's - the COST Would Have Been LESS than the "Bailout?"
-S-
Do you have any guarantee that passing that would have stopped anymore racial requisitions, equalizations, or other settlements?
Would that settlement have been enough to "buy" an absolute statement of equality with the ending of any future claims?
Would that really help us achieve racial equality or racial resentment.
If I was a black man I would be very hesitant to be beholden to anyone but my self for my pride.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:50:43pm |
re: #394 Lazarus
Good for him, but the fact that he'd have to do this almost six years after Saddam was ousted shows that we're wasting our time with these animals. What kind of culture lets a two-bit tyrant run them into the ground, fights against its liberator, and immediately runs to another Stone Age tyrant like al-Sadr for another round of Perpetual Tribal Warfare?
We should have left them to hack each other to death, but instead we'll keep throwing our brave fighting men into a meatgrinder for God knows how long.
Well now, are you a defeatist or just don't much like Arabs? Let them alone to hack each other to death? Meatgrinder? Ron Paul?
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bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:50:43pm |
re: #476 godfrey
Cog, you don't seem to get that the only people who will be upset by this video are like the cowardly Iraqi police or the pompous Muslim supremacists. Why does that bother you?
wow. that's pretty much the bottom line on this whole thing.
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:51:05pm |
re: #466 Killer Tomato
What film? that's a great speech.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:51:25pm |
re: #455 ArmyWife
It's mild compared to what I've seen my husband do to some PFC at an airport with his uniform on incorrectly.
Eeeep!
/ dives for cover! ;)
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rumcrook Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:51:35pm |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
im in agreement. speaches like this dont come out of the blue.
there had to be some softer sell speaches leading up to this. they failed and this guy had enough and read them the riot act.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:51:42pm |
re: #458 Nevergiveup
Israel was hit by more kassams a few hours ago...
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Perplexed Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:52:00pm |
'Night all. Got some paperwork to finish up on before traveling tomorrow.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:52:11pm |
re: #469 bellamags
bellmags -
Put it like this, It shows the US Marines as a NO B.S. OUTFIT. This IS a message to send to the rest of the "Kumbaya World." They NEED it, respect it, and most importantly FEAR IT! That is all.
-S-
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:52:30pm |
re: #459 Dr. Shalit
unclassifiable -
DO YOU REALIZE - That If Reparations were adopted in the late 1990's - the COST Would Have Been LESS than the "Bailout?"
-S-
By all means, give reparations to anyone who has actually been a slave and take it out of the hide of anyone who owned one.
Leave the rest of us alone. We are no more responsible for slavery now than black folks are for their ancestors in Africa that owned slaves themselves.
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:52:41pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:53:17pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:53:28pm |
re: #338 MandyManners
Any man who has to step on the back of a woman in order to feel superior to another man is no man in my book.
And, with that, I gotta' take a break 'cause I'm getting mighty pissed.
Believe me, I agree. And I'm pissed about it too.
The one thing that really gets misogynists where they live is a snappy answer from a woman who is plainly smarter than they are. (I wish I could find a clip of it, there's that great scene in "Gran Torino" where the Asian girl takes the piss out of the gang-bangers who are giving her sexist shit.)
Unfortunately, this is where they tend to use their generally superior upper-body strength to "prove" they're better by beating the crap out of her.
Be quick-witted, and carry a big stick!
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JacksonTn Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:53:30pm |
re: #471 Walter L. Newton
And let me give you a prediction. The AG said this because he is going to set the table for reparations.
Watch!
I cannot stand the guy ...
I am on business trip again so I am in motel and turned on the news ...I caught some of the crap about ACORN setting up demonstrations to keep people who are behind in their mortgages in their houses ...they are asking for civil disobedience from their members ...they are masters of this crap ...and who was one of the their biggest instructors ...F*CKING OBAMA ...
What will be the incentive for people to pay their bills if this crap continues ...only proud people will continue to pay their bills and take responsibility for their own lives ...I don't even want to say what I think about these ACORN people ...
Reparations? ...I can't even type how I feel about that ...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:53:33pm |
re: #456 avanti
And playing all the PC nice games only encourages terrorists and jihadis America really is a paper tiger, weak enough to attack with impunity.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:53:37pm |
re: #487 lawhawk
Israel was hit by more kassams a few hours ago...
/So that would be Israel breaking the "cease fire" again? [msm off]
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Chicago Blonde Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:53:54pm |
Goodnight Lizards. I hate to go but my eyelids are getting heavy and I need to get up in the morning.
| 501 |
bellamags Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:54:00pm |
my dachshund is bossily begging for a bone. bye bye.
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unclassifiable Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:54:02pm |
re: #487 lawhawk
Israel was hit by more kassams a few hours ago...
Yeah Israel better not do anything because it may be bad propaganda.
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Bloodnok Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:54:13pm |
These are a people that have only known how to defend their country with a sword at their backs. They are now free.
They have very little experience defending their countrymen without fear of their lives and their family's lives.
They are now being asked to do so out of love for country, not fear of it.
If this DIDN'T happen on a daily basis I'd be pissed. We can't expect people who have never enforced the rule of law out of civic duty and love for country to make the right decisions all of the time. This is a work in progress. This HAS to happen. I know 0bama wants them to take care of themselves and for us to leave, but it is not unreasonable for them to simply not be ready yet. And I would hope that when this soldier leaves Iraq there is an Iraqi who is prepared to talk to his force in exactly the same manner.
My two cents.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:54:35pm |
re: #491 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
By all means, give reparations to anyone who has actually been a slave and take it out of the hide of anyone who owned one.
Leave the rest of us alone. We are no more responsible for slavery now than black folks are for their ancestors in Africa that owned slaves themselves.
the American tax payer has already trillions on 'reparations'....it's all in the words and perception that the MSM creates...I hate the MSM
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iLikeCandy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:55:04pm |
I'm logging on at post #490 so this is probably redundant, BUT --
I'm downloading that clip to play over the coming years. Somewhere, somehow, we've still got it.
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:55:31pm |
re: #488 Killer Tomato
I'll have to watch that movie some time.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:55:48pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:55:54pm |
re: #492 kansas
Isn't John Kerry there?
OK, point taken. I agree with the Israelis. I would pick the Kassams over Kerry, too.
/
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:56:16pm |
re: #461 Walter L. Newton
That's the way Cognito would report it.
I'll be honest, Walter, he wouldn't do that. In my (non-humble) opinion Cognito tends, by profession, to focus on the media aspects of a situation. He focuses on how it looks and that is important. His error is that sometimes he focuses on PR too much and doesn't see that sometimes PR blowback just has to be accepted.
Cog, I like you and respect you as a commentator, but you need to broaden your focus when it come to matters relating to media and public relations.
| 510 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:56:31pm |
re: #504 albusteve
the American tax payer has already trillions on 'reparations'....it's all in the words and perception that the MSM creates...I hate the MSM
Reparations were paid in full with the blood of 600,000 young Americans, north _and_ south in the 1860's.
Time to freaking move on... it worked, Americans don't give a crap what color your damn skin is. Grow up.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:57:01pm |
re: #507 albusteve
J Kerry couldn't order a pizza and get it right
I ordered thin-crust pepperoni BEFORE I changed my mind and got Margherita.
| 512 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:57:09pm |
Iran holds enough uranium for bomb
By Daniel Dombey in Washington
Published: February 19 2009 21:18 %P% Last updated: February 20 2009 00:51
Iran has built up a stockpile of enough enriched uranium for one nuclear bomb, United Nations officials acknowledged on Thursday.
[Link: www.ft.com...]
I'd feel alot safer tonight if that Soldier had been in charge of our Nuclear negotiating team. So it seems PC negotiations by the Europeans didn't work out so well. What's next?
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:57:11pm |
re: #508 OldLineTexan
OK, point taken. I agree with the Israelis. I would pick the Kassams over Kerry, too.
/
Yeah that, but no shit I though I read he was in Southern Israel. I wouldn't wish him hurt or anything, but some film of him ducking into a shelter while Hamas pumped some rockets in...would that be sweet?
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:57:31pm |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:57:39pm |
re: #511 OldLineTexan
I ordered thin-crust pepperoni BEFORE I changed my mind and got Margherita.
ha!....
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Lazarus Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:57:44pm |
re: #482 The Shadow Do
Well now, are you a defeatist or just don't much like Arabs? Let them alone to hack each other to death? Meatgrinder? Ron Paul?
I don't like sacrificing our soldiers for ungrateful savages. Sorry if that doesn't fit your false alternative box of defeatist/racist. I want to live in country that doesn't dick around with the enemy. I like freedom, not compromise. Call me crazy.
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tsionguy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:57:49pm |
re: #492 kansas
"Senator Kerry, when you hear 'Tzevah Adom' it means 'All clear.' "
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:57:54pm |
I wonder how "pussie" translates in Iraqi speak?
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:58:17pm |
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:58:23pm |
re: #506 Noam Sayin'
You probably won't like it.
I watched it once and it was all I could do to keep from throwing my shoe at the TV.
Plot:Neo military lawyer defends Marines accused of murder; they contend they were acting under orders.
Tom Cruise, Jack Nicholson, Demi Moore
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:58:25pm |
re: #491 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
VET - MP -
The "Folks" that had the MOST to do with the "Slave Trade" were Black (Muslim) Africans - of that there was little doubt.
My Point Is that in the late 1990's the "PRICE" would have been about $25,000 per family of about 15 % of the population.
What do you think the "PRICE" is NOW?
-S-
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:58:52pm |
re: #510 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Reparations were paid in full with the blood of 600,000 young Americans, north _and_ south in the 1860's.
Time to freaking move on... it worked, Americans don't give a crap what color your damn skin is. Grow up.
true enough...but keep your eye on the rags and TV news...they may have more planned for you yet
| 525 |
BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:59:17pm |
re: #510 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
If it was only that simple. Race baiting is a multi-million dollar industry and a huge source of power for those who feel 'aggrieved'. It ain't about race anymore, it's about power and money...
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 6:59:20pm |
re: #523 Dr. Shalit
VET - MP -
The "Folks" that had the MOST to do with the "Slave Trade" were Black (Muslim) Africans - of that there was little doubt.
My Point Is that in the late 1990's the "PRICE" would have been about $25,000 per family of about 15 % of the population.
What do you think the "PRICE" is NOW?-S-
789 billion dollars?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:00:02pm |
re: #522 Killer Tomato
You probably won't like it.
I watched it once and it was all I could do to keep from throwing my shoe at the TV.Plot:Neo military lawyer defends Marines accused of murder; they contend they were acting under orders.
Tom Cruise, Jack Nicholson, Demi Moore
KT, I didn't know you were a Iraqi reporter.
/kidding
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:00:31pm |
re: #521 kansas
Barackobama
oh - funny - I didn't hear that exactly. ;-)
I wonder how the F word sounds in Arabic?
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:00:43pm |
re: #525 BigMoo
If it was only that simple. Race baiting is a multi-million dollar industry and a huge source of power for those who feel 'aggrieved'. It ain't about race anymore, it's about power and money...
Big Moo -
Like DUH!
-S-
| 531 |
Kreuzueber Halbmond Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:00:48pm |
This video will get played in some Paki madrassa as a tool to turn young minds against the West. It is good, but what is motivating to some is, alas, insulting to others. Be prepared to kick ass when the inevitable raging Muslim and Leftist sissy blowback arrives.
| 532 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:00:50pm |
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:00:51pm |
re: #521 kansas
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFT- me spitting diet pepsi onto screen. LMAO
| 534 |
tsionguy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:01:15pm |
re: #529 FrogMarch
Something along the lines of 'coos emeck'.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:01:17pm |
re: #525 BigMoo
If it was only that simple. Race baiting is a multi-million dollar industry and a huge source of power for those who feel 'aggrieved'. It ain't about race anymore, it's about power and money...
From the start it was about power and money, only a few actually wanted to change the situation to make this a color-blind society.
| 536 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:01:18pm |
re: #528 Iron Fist
Holy fuckin' shit, man! That has to suck at board meetings. Maybe they should bring along a sword. There once was a time when a man who failed as badly as you did fail, that he would fall on his sword....
/hands CEO a large knife, and a plastic sheet
You know the only honorable thing to do.
/leaves room
| 537 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:01:19pm |
re: #523 Dr. Shalit
VET - MP -
The "Folks" that had the MOST to do with the "Slave Trade" were Black (Muslim) Africans - of that there was little doubt.
My Point Is that in the late 1990's the "PRICE" would have been about $25,000 per family of about 15 % of the population.
What do you think the "PRICE" is NOW?-S-
Where did the $25,000 figure come from?
/I'm thinking about a trillion (billion is so 90's) now, divided over 15% of the population. Johnson should have given them their 40 acres and a mule back in 1865.
| 538 |
kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:01:29pm |
re: #529 FrogMarch
oh - funny - I didn't hear that exactly. ;-)
I wonder how the F word sounds in Arabic?
Jimmahcarter
| 539 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:01:35pm |
Found! Accused Scammer Stanford Turns in Passport in Washington
"Stanford is "very depressed," according to Barnes and sought to end a federal manhunt for him by directly approaching officials at the Justice Department, Barnes said."
[Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]
Oh, like I give a fuck!
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avanti Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:02:10pm |
re: #498 FurryOldGuyJeans
And playing all the PC nice games only encourages terrorists and jihadis America really is a paper tiger, weak enough to attack with impunity.
I wish he'd have found a Iraq NCO to do the ass kicking, that and the video taping are my only real issue. Think of a group of American Marines being dressed down for a fuck up, by say a French NCO in a joint operation. Then video tape it for Americans to watch.
| 542 |
Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:03:05pm |
re: #522 Killer Tomato
Okay, I hate two of those three actors, so I'll probably pass.
| 543 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:03:16pm |
Hope And Change...US Silent About Defending Israel (And The Truth) At UN "Human Rights" Scam Conference
—DrewM.
[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
It's gonna be a big shit burger and we're all gonna have to take a bite! These people are going to get us killed!
| 544 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:03:25pm |
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BigMoo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:03:28pm |
re: #535 FurryOldGuyJeans
So much for 'rainbow's and lollipops'.
"Hopenchange" say it over and over and it don't hurt so much.
| 546 |
opnion Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:03:33pm |
re: #491 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
By all means, give reparations to anyone who has actually been a slave and take it out of the hide of anyone who owned one.
Leave the rest of us alone. We are no more responsible for slavery now than black folks are for their ancestors in Africa that owned slaves themselves.
If we are going to do reparations, let Obama go first. He had slave owners on his father's side & maybe his mother's as well.
| 547 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:04:01pm |
re: #493 ploome hineni
lol
Snapping fingers...damn they missed him...
//////////////////////HEAVEY SARCASAM////////////////////////
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:04:07pm |
re: #540 avanti
I wish he'd have found a Iraq NCO to do the ass kicking, that and the video taping are my only real issue. Think of a group of American Marines being dressed down for a fuck up, by say a French NCO in a joint operation. Then video tape it for Americans to watch.
Do the French actually have an army now?
| 549 |
Render Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:04:13pm |
ahem.
The Iraqi unit being addressed in this video is NOT regular army. They are a local police unit, raised from Shia militia members, to deal with Sunni militia attacks. Some of those men may very well be former Mahdi Army members.
Facts are relevant.
GET
IN
LINE,
R
| 550 |
Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:04:14pm |
re: #540 avanti
I wish he'd have found a Iraq NCO to do the ass kicking, that and the video taping are my only real issue. Think of a group of American Marines being dressed down for a fuck up, by say a French NCO in a joint operation. Then video tape it for Americans to watch.
Did you mean videotape it for French to watch? Or maybe Canadians?
The point it, people tend to tune out when they are being cussed out in a language they don't understand.
| 551 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:04:15pm |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
Obama begins repairing America's image abroad
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
After screwing it up at home.
reverse hypnosis?
| 552 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:04:20pm |
re: #494 Walter L. Newton
CAn you explain the mysticism in Lost to me? I was a little bit disappointed in last night episode; Too much Jack and Kate and the whole series is now revolving around the necessity for them to go back to the island. How does Faraday's mom know they have to go back? And how does she know that jack has to give lock some shoes? Even more important why are these things necessary?
It seems they are using the mysticism as a crutch to move the story in desired directions (and add sentimental value) without explaining it. Somebody just says "you must do this, it's necessary" and people just do it. No explanation of how mysticism in the world of Lost works. That was my big complaint about the Desmond story line; if her didn't contact his chick his head would explode. It's just stupid.
| 553 |
gmsc Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:04:36pm |
OT: Questioning 0bama? Down the memory hole!
Original story: Dobson students question Obama's plan (Google cache - You may have to scroll down a bit to see the story itself)
Current story: Dobson students question Obama's plan (Note that the student quotes have disappeared, and now the only reaction is over the excitement of having 0bama in town.)
(h/t Instapundit)
| 554 |
tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:04:58pm |
re: #119 Cognito
Discretion
.... is that thing in which the anti-military, leftist wing of the US Congress....not the GI.... badly needs a crash course.... not that it'll happen.
Let the soldier do his thing.
| 555 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:05:02pm |
re: #539 Walter L. Newton
Found! Accused Scammer Stanford Turns in Passport in Washington
Oh, like I give a fuck!
Cue the Strads! (No regular, ol' violins for this thief.)
| 556 |
kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:05:02pm |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
Obama begins repairing America's image abroad
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
After screwing it up at home.
I hope his repair of our image works better than his repair of the fucking stock market.
| 557 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:05:12pm |
re: #546 opnion
If we are going to do reparations, let Obama go first. He had slave owners on his father's side & maybe his mother's as well.
This is America, the son is not supposed to be responsible for the crimes of his father.
Some people are trying to change that, tho'
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:05:37pm |
re: #539 Walter L. Newton
I'm glad he surrendered, couldn't give a rat's ass how he's feeling.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:05:38pm |
re: #540 avanti
I wish he'd have found a Iraq NCO to do the ass kicking, that and the video taping are my only real issue. Think of a group of American Marines being dressed down for a fuck up, by say a French NCO in a joint operation. Then video tape it for Americans to watch.
That's impossible to imagine, avanti. The USMC has never pussied out like those police were doing. There would be no reason for them to get such a tongue-lashing. Moreover, our officers would call their own men out for failures as, for that matter, would French officers. An American gave this dressing-down because no Iraqi could or would.
| 560 |
Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:05:58pm |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
Obama begins repairing America's image abroad
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
After screwing it up at home.
Is he going to give them a Stimulus Plan too?
| 561 |
gmsc Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:05:59pm |
Trivia: In 1956, H.G. Wells' classic book, The War of the Worlds, was first translated into Arabic. The translated title? Al-Qaeda.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:06:00pm |
re: #541 lawhawk
Dont' hold back now...
Does ANYONE in the media read what they write and how they report something? This guy is accused of scamming 8 billion dollars from his investors and some jerk wad at ABC thinks I want to know that he's depressed?
| 563 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:06:27pm |
re: #452 ArmyWife
This guy stood in front of a crowd that could have revolted and caused serious harm.
I'm sure he was well covered.
/obviously, these "police" weren't trustworthy
| 564 |
Scion9 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:06:32pm |
re: #552 Killgore Trout
Somebody just says "you must do this, it's necessary" and people just do it.
It's a metaphor for the financial crisis.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:06:43pm |
re: #511 OldLineTexan
Cheer up... at least you didn't get Theresa.
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unclassifiable Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:06:44pm |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
Holy crap Walter.
How was the reporter for that article able to write that while on his knees in adoration?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:06:59pm |
re: #540 avanti
If they WERE fuck-ups, they would deserve what they get.
Playing PC won't cut it, period.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:07:07pm |
re: #562 Walter L. Newton
Does ANYONE in the media read what they write and how they report something? This guy is accused of scamming 8 billion dollars from his investors and some jerk wad at ABC thinks I want to know that he's depressed?
I wondered how he was able to hire such an expensive attorney
(assuming all his money is stolen money).
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Gus Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:07:18pm |
Someone said that he looked out of control. Seems to my like he was in control and holding back from what I've seen in the past. They probably deserved some PT after that -- like a 30 mile hike with a full pack.
The behavior shown by these Iraqi police is probably the reason Saddam was able to have such a stronghold on the population. Not much has changed within that culture and it would not surprise me to see them under a dictatorship once again.
| 570 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:07:19pm |
I'm out. Play nice Lizards.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:07:47pm |
re: #568 jaunte
I wondered how he was able to hire such an expensive attorney
(assuming all his money is stolen money).
book deal....
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:07:50pm |
re: #539 Walter L. Newton
Not nearly as depressed as the teacher I know who just lost all of her investments, which were in Stanford.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:07:52pm |
re: #539 Walter L. Newton
Found! Accused Scammer Stanford Turns in Passport in Washington
Oh, like I give a fuck!
/apparently you don't have any money invested in Latin America, they're panicking
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:07:57pm |
re: #566 unclassifiable
Holy crap Walter.
How was the reporter for that article able to write that while on his knees in adoration?
re: #568 jaunte
I wondered how he was able to hire such an expensive attorney
(assuming all his money is stolen money).
Attorney? Stolen money? Hello...............McFly.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:08:15pm |
re: #561 gmsc
Trivia: In 1956, H.G. Wells' classic book, The War of the Worlds, was first translated into Arabic. The translated title? Al-Qaeda.
True?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:08:18pm |
re: #549 Render
ahem.
The Iraqi unit being addressed in this video is NOT regular army. They are a local police unit, raised from Shia militia members, to deal with Sunni militia attacks. Some of those men may very well be former Mahdi Army members.
Facts are relevant.
GET
IN
LINE,
R
Facts don't matter to the media and PC ass-fuck types.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:08:54pm |
re: #501 bellamags
my dachshund is bossily begging for a bone. bye bye.
Labrador licking livertreat lazily.
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:09:14pm |
re: #576 FurryOldGuyJeans
Facts don't matter to the media and PC ass-fuck types.
Leave Barney Frank out of this.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:09:20pm |
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jaunte Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:09:43pm |
re: #578 tradewind
Maybe he hired on for a small key to a bank box in Grand Cayman.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:10:00pm |
re: #562 Walter L. Newton
Does ANYONE in the media read what they write and how they report something? This guy is accused of scamming 8 billion dollars from his investors and some jerk wad at ABC thinks I want to know that he's depressed?
Media are incestuous types so they don't see the disconnect involved in ignoring the facts of the crime and focusing on the feelings of the perpetrator.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:10:23pm |
re: #561 gmsc
Trivia: In 1956, H.G. Wells' classic book, The War of the Worlds, was first translated into Arabic. The translated title? Al-Qaeda.
Keep Digging and please let me know what "Forbidden Planet" translates too....:)
Mental picture of Robby The Robot yelling "Allah Achbar!"
Priceless...:)
/S
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:10:37pm |
re: #565 tradewind
Cheer up... at least you didn't get Theresa.
Dry, wrinkly crust with ketchup and pickles?
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:10:51pm |
re: #562 Walter L. Newton
Does ANYONE in the media read what they write and how they report something? This guy is accused of scamming 8 billion dollars from his investors and some jerk wad at ABC thinks I want to know that he's depressed?
Here's the thing: maybe the reporter had the exact same reaction as you (and, many others I'm sure) so he thought it might be interesting to get this tidbit out there to let us know what a fucking punk Standford is.
I could be wrong but, it is food for thought.
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Scion9 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:11:04pm |
re: #561 gmsc
Trivia: In 1956, H.G. Wells' classic book, The War of the Worlds, was first translated into Arabic. The translated title? Al-Qaeda.
I don't see how War of the Worlds = Al Qaeda, which means roughly The Base. Allegedly Isaac Asimov's Foundation series was translated as Al Qaeda, with foundation being synonymous with base (although having a different connotation in English in the context of the actual story), that would make a lot more sense.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:11:24pm |
re: #583 Dustyvet
Keep Digging and please let me know what "Forbidden Planet" translates too....:)
Mental picture of Robby The Robot yelling "Allah Achbar!"
Priceless...:)
/S
Mecca
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:11:41pm |
re: #581 jaunte
Maybe. But I meant he probably had a big Stanford investment and is hoping he'll get one of those Madoff-to-family type letters before the loot is all gone.
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Wishing Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:11:44pm |
re: #540 avanti
I wish he'd have found a Iraq NCO to do the ass kicking, that and the video taping are my only real issue. Think of a group of American Marines being dressed down for a fuck up, by say a French NCO in a joint operation. Then video tape it for Americans to watch.
French NCO? Such a thing does not exist.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:11:54pm |
re: #575 MandyManners
True?
Yep - because that's what Al-Qaeda means when translated from the Arabic.
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opnion Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:12:11pm |
re: #540 avanti
I wish he'd have found a Iraq NCO to do the ass kicking, that and the video taping are my only real issue. Think of a group of American Marines being dressed down for a fuck up, by say a French NCO in a joint operation. Then video tape it for Americans to watch.
Your kidding, tell me you kidding. A French NCO dressing down US Marines?
Please, the French did not just liberate us.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:12:29pm |
Stanford Financial
Hard Work. Clear Vision. Some Feelings of Depression After Getting Caught.
[Link: www.stanfordfinancial.com...]
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Gus Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:12:42pm |
RE: Stanford
It's good that he's depressed. Makes it all the easier for him to commit suicide.
/insensitive
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Bob Dillon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:12:43pm |
re: #562 Walter L. Newton
Does ANYONE in the media read what they write and how they report something? This guy is accused of scamming 8 billion dollars from his investors and some jerk wad at ABC thinks I want to know that he's depressed?
Full disclosure ... and hey, Cog would probably find that piece vital and expand on it.
/
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:12:49pm |
re: #591 gmsc
Yep - because that's what Al-Qaeda means when translated from the Arabic.
Man, I can't let that go.
Or were you kiddin'?
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Wishing Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:13:02pm |
re: #544 Walter L. Newton
Obama begins repairing America's image abroad
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
After screwing it up at home.
But he forgot he was in Ottawa, and said, I am happy to be in Iowa.
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Gus Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:13:32pm |
"Evening Mr. Stanford. Would like anything to eat? Rope? How about some coffee. Pills?"
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:13:35pm |
re: #587 Noam Sayin'
OT
Didn't know Imanutjob was a Crip.
Well, he sure wants lots of Blood on his hands.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:13:35pm |
re: #590 Wishing
French NCO? Such a thing does not exist.
Plus why berate troops when this was a video of an American officer dressing down POLICE RECRUITS.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:13:55pm |
re: #584 OldLineTexan
Ham, lots of lettuce, and heavy on the sauce.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:14:12pm |
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fuseman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:14:14pm |
this is close to a month old. he was calling out the Mahdi spies in the crowd. it worked. several days later a "suicide bomber" rammed a us car with 4 us soldiers and an Iraq translator. all killed. it was done near a group of Iraq cops and very likely that at least one of them relayed the intel needed to the psycho arabs who live to kill.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:14:23pm |
re: #518 Lazarus
I don't like sacrificing our soldiers for ungrateful savages. Sorry if that doesn't fit your false alternative box of defeatist/racist. I want to live in country that doesn't dick around with the enemy. I like freedom, not compromise. Call me crazy.
I don't like the losses either. However, whether Iraq votes itself into a savage theocracy or into the second coming of Thomas Jefferson the important thing ultimately is that America committed and saw that commitment through. Short of that we are faced with enormous pressure from every enemy we have everywhere and , yes, that will mess with your freedom.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:14:35pm |
re: #596 Bobibutu
Full disclosure ... and hey, Cog would probably find that piece vital and expand on it.
/
Oh, yeah? Well Cog would prolly...
I bet Cognito would say...
Can't you just hear Cog now?...
Coggity Cogger Cog....
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:14:57pm |
re: #591 gmsc
Yep - because that's what Al-Qaeda means when translated from the Arabic.
I thought Al-Qaeda meant "The Base".
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:15:12pm |
re: #590 Wishing
French NCO? Such a thing does not exist.
Yes, they do, at least in some units. If properly supported politically, there are some French units that could prove useful for COIN work. The key is to get France to accept reality, which is often impossible because its hostility to the Anglosphere.
Dropping back a little now. I need to do something so won't be able to follow the thread as closely.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:15:13pm |
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Bloodnok Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:15:26pm |
re: #394 Lazarus
Good for him, but the fact that he'd have to do this almost six years after Saddam was ousted shows that we're wasting our time with these animals. What kind of culture lets a two-bit tyrant run them into the ground, fights against its liberator, and immediately runs to another Stone Age tyrant like al-Sadr for another round of Perpetual Tribal Warfare?
We should have left them to hack each other to death, but instead we'll keep throwing our brave fighting men into a meatgrinder for God knows how long.
You are an absolute, unmitigated fool.
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opnion Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:15:28pm |
re: #557 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
This is America, the son is not supposed to be responsible for the crimes of his father.
Some people are trying to change that, tho'
Absolutely, we are not liable for the sins of the past.
How many died in the Civil War? Debt paid.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:15:33pm |
re: #595 Gus 802
RE: Stanford
It's good that he's depressed. Makes it all the easier for him to commit suicide.
/insensitive
He's under Federal protection.
/as an exposed money launderer for the Gulf Cartel, he is surely contracted for death, who's scarier, the FBI or the most violent drug gang in Mexico?
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:15:33pm |
re: #595 Gus 802
RE: Stanford
It's good that he's depressed. Makes it all the easier for him to commit suicide.
/insensitive
Might it not be easier to find the money with him alive?
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CynicalConservative Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:15:46pm |
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sprucepinehollow Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:16:31pm |
Winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people./
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avanti Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:16:31pm |
re: #559 Dark_Falcon
That's impossible to imagine, avanti. The USMC has never pussied out like those police were doing. There would be no reason for them to get such a tongue-lashing. Moreover, our officers would call their own men out for failures as, for that matter, would French officers. An American gave this dressing-down because no Iraqi could or would.
It was a flawed analogy, the French dude would not have made it though the first minute of that rant to a Marine.
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barry the baptist Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:16:40pm |
I saw this a few weeks ago.
AWESOME.
This should be shown to all high school students.
'I don't see any of you guys in my hometown.'
Classic and spot on!
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:16:42pm |
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Gus Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:16:53pm |
re: #614 Killian Bundy
He's under Federal protection.
/as an exposed money launderer for the Gulf Cartel, he is surely contracted for death, who's scarier, the FBI or the most violent drug gang in Mexico?
Answer: the most violent drug gang in Mexico. All it takes is one.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:17:00pm |
re: #611 Cognito
I suppose it would be ungracious of me to ask if I was talking to *you* so, I won't ask that.
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kansas Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:17:07pm |
re: #619 avanti
It was a flawed analogy, the French dude would not have made it though the first minute of that rant to a Marine.
Yeah, I was thinking, "Lots of luck with that, Pierre".
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:17:10pm |
re: #537 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Where did the $25,000 figure come from?
/I'm thinking about a trillion (billion is so 90's) now, divided over 15% of the population. Johnson should have given them their 40 acres and a mule back in 1865.
Vet - MP -
I am sure that the "JOHNSON" you refer to is Andrew, not Lyndon - AND - perhaps that WAS a problem. Andrew would have given them NOTHING. Andrew Johnson was the ONLY US Senator from a seceeding/Confederate State to remain in the US Senate during the Civil War. As such, he was a perfect running mate for Lincoln in the (18) '64 election rather than Hannibal Hamlin of Indiana, Pres. Lincoln's First Vice President.
Both Lincoln AND Johnson were "Bottom Line" Unionists. Lincoln "grew" beyond that - Johnson never did. An HONEST 40 Acres and a MULE was something he would and did NEVER give up to the FREEDMEN.
-S-
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:17:12pm |
re: #607 Cognito
Oh, yeah? Well Cog would prolly...
I bet Cognito would say...
Can't you just hear Cog now?...
Coggity Cogger Cog....
That's what I like about you, Cog. Your comebacks are clever and witty. It makes you fun to read.
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Gus Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:17:34pm |
re: #615 MandyManners
Might it not be easier to find the money with him alive?
I know. I wasn't being literal. It was just an idea that crossed my mind. So, after we find the money...
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:17:35pm |
re: #598 Wishing
But he forgot he was in Ottawa, and said, I am happy to be in Iowa.
If George W. Bush said such a thing, we would never hear the end of it. Not to mention the endless, mindless double-entendre jokes about "beaver tails"
Gah.
| 630 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:17:41pm |
re: #624 MandyManners
I suppose it would be ungracious of me to ask if I was talking to *you* so, I won't ask that.
Sorry. I thought it was a general comment.
| 631 |
lawhawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:18:32pm |
re: #607 Cognito
Oh, yeah? Well Cog would prolly...
I bet Cognito would say...
Can't you just hear Cog now?...
Coggity Cogger Cog....
Hmmm... first thing I thought when I read that....
You're really that Verizon bastard. /can you hear me now!
But, you've got a better sense of humor. It serves you well here.
| 632 |
Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:18:37pm |
re: #598 Wishing
But he forgot he was in Ottawa, and said, I am happy to be in Iowa.
Too bad we couldn't have bolted the door after he left.
*knock, knock, knock*
"Who is it?"
"Its Obama!"
"Who?"
"Obama man, open up!"
"Obama?"
"Yeah Obama, come on open up!"
"Obama's not here!"
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Nevergiveup Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:19:51pm |
re: #632 Killer Tomato
Too bad we couldn't have bolted the door after he left.
*knock, knock, knock*
"Who is it?"
"Its Obama!"
"Who?"
"Obama man, open up!"
"Obama?"
"Yeah Obama, come on open up!"
"Obama's not here!"
What's the password?
| 634 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:19:56pm |
re: #552 Killgore Trout
CAn you explain the mysticism in Lost to me? I was a little bit disappointed in last night episode; Too much Jack and Kate and the whole series is now revolving around the necessity for them to go back to the island. How does Faraday's mom know they have to go back? And how does she know that jack has to give lock some shoes? Even more important why are these things necessary?
It seems they are using the mysticism as a crutch to move the story in desired directions (and add sentimental value) without explaining it. Somebody just says "you must do this, it's necessary" and people just do it. No explanation of how mysticism in the world of Lost works. That was my big complaint about the Desmond story line; if her didn't contact his chick his head would explode. It's just stupid.
Ok, you're not paying attention closely. I will try to address some of your questions, using canon of the show, and not my opinions.
The major plot arc of the show is "man of science, man of faith" which was also the name of episode 1, season 2.
Jack, man of science, Locke, man of faith. For almost 3 seasons, there was a lot of mysticism, and mostly "seen" by Locke, and how he perceived the Island and it's mysteries. For all that time, Jack only tackled things from a rational direction.
Season 4 started to "explain" the mysteries by showing us what "science" could be behind the mysticism (ie: time travel).
When Jack saw the Island vanish, that was the first time he considered that there may be more to life than science.
And now, Jack has come from that man of science to a man of faith, he is basing his decision to continue purely on the faith he has in what he is being told, and the desire to "save" his friends.
Every question you ask above has been "justified" by the scripts over the years. This is a very carefully plotted show, and they don't play around with "red herrings."
My best recommendation to you is you spend a few hours searching Lostpedia for answers to some of your deeper questions.
[Link: lostpedia.wikia.com...]
For the sake of your sanity, stay off the "theory" pages, stick to articles about actual show points.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:20:12pm |
re: #626 Dr. Shalit
Vet - MP -
I am sure that the "JOHNSON" you refer to is Andrew, not Lyndon - AND - perhaps that WAS a problem. Andrew would have given them NOTHING. Andrew Johnson was the ONLY US Senator from a seceeding/Confederate State to remain in the US Senate during the Civil War. As such, he was a perfect running mate for Lincoln in the (18) '64 election rather than Hannibal Hamlin of Indiana, Pres. Lincoln's First Vice President.
Both Lincoln AND Johnson were "Bottom Line" Unionists. Lincoln "grew" beyond that - Johnson never did. An HONEST 40 Acres and a MULE was something he would and did NEVER give up to the FREEDMEN.-S-
"49 acres and a mule" was a suggestion made by General Sherman for a small group of freed slaves in (I believe) South Carolina. It was never mentioned as official policy for all freed slaves.
| 636 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:20:18pm |
re: #548 kansas
Do the French actually have an army now?
KS -
Yes they DO - AND - it is Quite Good for it's size. See - Afghanistan, 2001 - Present. Their AIR FORCE is even better. Where you see a Devil, give him/her their due.
-S-
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:20:18pm |
re: #628 Gus 802
I know. I wasn't being literal. It was just an idea that crossed my mind. So, after we find the money...
Nah. I hope he lives a long life so that he will have plenty of time to contemplate the error of his ways and to be scared shitless about who's coming after him.
| 638 |
avanti Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:20:22pm |
re: #625 kansas
Yeah, I was thinking, "Lots of luck with that, Pierre".
Would have been a better video in the end though. :)
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:20:45pm |
re: #540 avanti
Avanti - we are embedded in these units. That is our current mission. We take charge and slowly hand it over. It's working. My husband's troop is currently training other Iraqi troops. They needed their asses kicked - sometimes American soldiers need this "encouragement" too.
I don't care about the video taping, I saw nothing wrong with this. If this is offensive to people, they need to get some thicker skin, and stay the heck out of the military. It is unwise and unfair to think a Military can be run like corporation or typical business. It's not typical.
Sheesh, do you think it's horrific when the 1SG tells a SPC to drop? Chew on this - my husband stopped a soldier because he carried his weapon improperly (it was a change of command ceremony, I believe). The guy got snotty - BIG mistake. He had all 6'3 of my husband in his face screaming, followed by serious push ups. The guy told my husband he was reporting him. My husband's response? He spelled out his last name for him letter by letter and told him to make sure he got it f'n right on the complaint. It's the ARMY. By the way - the guy had to do more push ups for wasting the Commander's time for complaining over nothing.
| 640 |
lawhawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:21:40pm |
Anyways... there's this food co-op in Brooklyn that is contemplating boycotting Israeli goods over the Gaza fight. Yeah, that's fine.
You can't boycott Palestinian goods because the only thing they're producing these days are kassams and bombs. Not food. These holier than thou types at this food coop can sit back and think how righteous they are by boycotting Israeli goods because the Israelis aren't sitting back and taking terrorist attacks lying down. [deleted]
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:21:44pm |
I wanna' know when Michael, Sam and Fiona are gonna' take on Hizballah.
| 642 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:21:50pm |
I have an uncomfortable feeling that this guy may very well be ordered to take some cultural sensitivity training one Pelosi sees this.
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Bloodnok Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:21:56pm |
re: #639 ArmyWife
You rock and your husband rocks even harder.
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Gus Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:22:02pm |
re: #637 MandyManners
Nah. I hope he lives a long life so that he will have plenty of time to contemplate the error of his ways and to be scared shitless about who's coming after him.
That of course is the worst punishment. As well as that he may very well end up spending the rest of his life in prison.
It's amazing that we got two of these billion dollar scammers in a row: Madoff and Stanford.
| 645 |
Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:22:03pm |
re: #626 Dr. Shalit
Actually, Mr. Hamlin was from Maine.
| 646 |
Wishing Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:22:49pm |
re: #639 ArmyWife
I would ding you and your husband a zillion times if I could!
| 647 |
nccanuck Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:23:13pm |
Obama, Pelosi & Reid need a motivational speech from this guy! Frikkin awesome brother!
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gmsc Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:23:22pm |
re: #609 MandyManners
I thought Al-Qaeda meant "The Base".
Let me make this a bit clearer - what does the English word "run" mean? Does it mean to propel one's self in a step faster than walking? Does it mean to campaign for president? Does it mean that tear in the back of a stocking? Does it mean a continuous series? Does it mean to execute a computer program?
Yes.
Words can have more than one meaning. When War of the Worlds was translated, they simply found Al-Qaeda to be the title that meant the closest to what they were trying to project in the title.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:23:29pm |
Hi, ya'll.
I've been busy and so I've been in and out of here today.
Thus far 64 cookbooks have been sold for a total of $320 that will be split between LGF and Soldier's Angels. lulu.com will post the February $ to the fund's paypal account on April 1st and I will disburse it.
SHAMELESS PROMOTION TIME
Click my nic if you haven't purchased your copy and would like one. I know everybody wants a permanent reminder of Mandy Manner's guide to the proper way to fill your car's gas tank.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:23:55pm |
re: #639 ArmyWife
Avanti - we are embedded in these units. That is our current mission. We take charge and slowly hand it over. It's working. My husband's troop is currently training other Iraqi troops. They needed their asses kicked - sometimes American soldiers need this "encouragement" too.
I don't care about the video taping, I saw nothing wrong with this. If this is offensive to people, they need to get some thicker skin, and stay the heck out of the military. It is unwise and unfair to think a Military can be run like corporation or typical business. It's not typical.
Sheesh, do you think it's horrific when the 1SG tells a SPC to drop? Chew on this - my husband stopped a soldier because he carried his weapon improperly (it was a change of command ceremony, I believe). The guy got snotty - BIG mistake. He had all 6'3 of my husband in his face screaming, followed by serious push ups. The guy told my husband he was reporting him. My husband's response? He spelled out his last name for him letter by letter and told him to make sure he got it f'n right on the complaint. It's the ARMY. By the way - the guy had to do more push ups for wasting the Commander's time for complaining over nothing.
Bet he tried to use the stress card...A Pvt tried that one on one of our NCO's and he ate it right in front of the lad...:)
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:23:57pm |
re: #639 ArmyWife
Avanti - we are embedded in these units. That is our current mission. We take charge and slowly hand it over. It's working. My husband's troop is currently training other Iraqi troops. They needed their asses kicked - sometimes American soldiers need this "encouragement" too.
I don't care about the video taping, I saw nothing wrong with this. If this is offensive to people, they need to get some thicker skin, and stay the heck out of the military. It is unwise and unfair to think a Military can be run like corporation or typical business. It's not typical.
Sheesh, do you think it's horrific when the 1SG tells a SPC to drop? Chew on this - my husband stopped a soldier because he carried his weapon improperly (it was a change of command ceremony, I believe). The guy got snotty - BIG mistake. He had all 6'3 of my husband in his face screaming, followed by serious push ups. The guy told my husband he was reporting him. My husband's response? He spelled out his last name for him letter by letter and told him to make sure he got it f'n right on the complaint. It's the ARMY. By the way - the guy had to do more push ups for wasting the Commander's time for complaining over nothing.
How much you wanna' bet that that puke's elementary school emphasized self-esteem and non-violent conflict resolution?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:24:19pm |
re: #649 reine.de.tout
And the recipes, too, of course!
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:24:41pm |
re: #644 Gus 802
That of course is the worst punishment. As well as that he may very well end up spending the rest of his life in prison.
It's amazing that we got two of these billion dollar scammers in a row: Madoff and Stanford.
Is there enough pox to go on both their houses?
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:24:43pm |
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:24:56pm |
re: #640 lawhawk
Anyways... there's this food co-op in Brooklyn that is contemplating boycotting Israeli goods over the Gaza fight. Yeah, that's fine.
You can't boycott Palestinian goods because the only thing they're producing these days are kassams and bombs. Not food. These holier than thou types at this food coop can sit back and think how righteous they are by boycotting Israeli goods because the Israelis aren't sitting back and taking terrorist attacks lying down. [deleted]
Get this: the food coop is located in one of the most heavily Jewish areas in Brooklyn. A little gentrified yuppie liberal ghetto stuffed between Flatbush, Boro Park, and Crown Heights.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:25:25pm |
re: #648 gmsc
Let me make this a bit clearer - what does the English word "run" mean? Does it mean to propel one's self in a step faster than walking? Does it mean to campaign for president? Does it mean that tear in the back of a stocking? Does it mean a continuous series? Does it mean to execute a computer program?
Yes.
Words can have more than one meaning. When War of the Worlds was translated, they simply found Al-Qaeda to be the title that meant the closest to what they were trying to project in the title.
I'm cool with that, and I apologize for doubting you.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:25:51pm |
re: #651 MandyManners
How much you wanna' bet that that puke's elementary school emphasized self-esteem and non-violent conflict resolution?
How much you wanna bet his CiC's did too?
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:25:59pm |
re: #650 Dustyvet
Bet he tried to use the stress card...A Pvt tried that one on one of our NCO's and he ate it right in front of the lad...:)
Fiber!
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Gus Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:26:03pm |
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Bloodnok Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:26:11pm |
re: #649 reine.de.tout
Hi, ya'll.
I've been busy and so I've been in and out of here today.Thus far 64 cookbooks have been sold for a total of $320 that will be split between LGF and Soldier's Angels. lulu.com will post the February $ to the fund's paypal account on April 1st and I will disburse it.
SHAMELESS PROMOTION TIME
Click my nic if you haven't purchased your copy and would like one. I know everybody wants a permanent reminder of Mandy Manner's guide to the proper way to fill your car's gas tank.
Can't WAIT to receive my two (went the cheap shipping route), I haven't thanked you, Jaunte, FlakMusic, ploome, Sharm and all of the other people whose ideas and talents made this possible.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:26:18pm |
re: #649 reine.de.tout
Hi, ya'll.
I've been busy and so I've been in and out of here today.Thus far 64 cookbooks have been sold for a total of $320 that will be split between LGF and Soldier's Angels. lulu.com will post the February $ to the fund's paypal account on April 1st and I will disburse it.
SHAMELESS PROMOTION TIME
Click my nic if you haven't purchased your copy and would like one. I know everybody wants a permanent reminder of Mandy Manner's guide to the proper way to fill your car's gas tank.
Do you have to become a member of LuLu? I don't want another internet site with my information.
I know Lulu sells on Amazon. Is this already available on Amazon? I have an Amazon account.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:27:02pm |
re: #658 Killer Tomato
How much you wanna bet his CiC's did too?
Should I bet my X's left nut on that one?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:28:05pm |
re: #664 MandyManners
Should I bet my X's left nut on that one?
Boy, you don't hold your "ex's" nuts in very high esteem.
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Gus Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:28:10pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:28:33pm |
re: #663 Walter L. Newton
Do you have to become a member of LuLu? I don't want another internet site with my information.
I know Lulu sells on Amazon. Is this already available on Amazon? I have an Amazon account.
Walter check your e-mails in a minute or two.
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avanti Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:29:18pm |
re: #639 ArmyWife
Avanti - we are embedded in these units. That is our current mission. We take charge and slowly hand it over. It's working. My husband's troop is currently training other Iraqi troops. They needed their asses kicked - sometimes American soldiers need this "encouragement" too.
.
Again, the video taping could well come back to bite that solider in the ass if it goes viral and his superiors see it. I've given a few ass chewings in my day, but never thought to tape any to show what a hard ass I was. Praise in public, criticize in private.
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eprn1n2 Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:29:38pm |
Kick'n ass and taking names. Nothing like a little pep talk for the boys.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:29:43pm |
re: #643 Bloodnok
The cooler thing about him? He is incredible with babies. Seriously. Babies love him. Crying, screaming ones calm right down when he holds them. He is so big, and he has these little baby creatures in his arms, and he just talks to them - they are mesmerized. The man should have had 120 kids.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:29:48pm |
re: #667 Walter L. Newton
Boy, you don't hold your "ex's" nuts in very high esteem.
She never bets the right one.
She must kick best with her right leg.
/
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:30:38pm |
re: #634 Walter L. Newton
Ok, before I start reading you link: I can dig to whole mysticism vs. faith thing. Locke pushing the button, trusting Linus, etc. Mr. Echo was a great faith character but they killed him off. All of that made sense. Their faith based actions and even the smoke monster, etc. My problem is that they do kinda explain the science (time travel, etc) but they don't explain the mysticism. Why does the Island care if Locke is wearing the right shoes? What difference does it make. Faraday's mom explained that things need to be as close to their original landing on the Island as possible but I didn't catch a hint of why that's important. Why would the Island care?
Take Star Wars for example; there was plenty of mysticism but they explained how that spirituality worked. We knew what the Jedis were all about and we knew their motication and their powers. Lost seems to be using the mysticism as a lazy plot tool to direct the story. I'm hoping there will be more explanaitions next week with Locke's resurrection. They really need explain how the mysticism works.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:31:11pm |
re: #670 avanti
Again, the video taping could well come back to bite that solider in the ass if it goes viral and his superiors see it. I've given a few ass chewings in my day, but never thought to tape any to show what a hard ass I was. Praise in public, criticize in private.
Bull, I suspect he'll get a medal for doing it!
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Bloodnok Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:31:57pm |
re: #673 ArmyWife
The cooler thing about him? He is incredible with babies. Seriously. Babies love him. Crying, screaming ones calm right down when he holds them. He is so big, and he has these little baby creatures in his arms, and he just talks to them - they are mesmerized. The man should have had 120 kids.
I just remember the the story you told about him taking your daughter's door off the hinges and think, "this is a guy I'd be honored to have a beer with".
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moonstone Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:32:18pm |
re: #648 gmsc
Excellent point. Your example reminds me of my high school Latin teacher who once had us spend a class listing all the different meanings of the English word "take." I think we got close to 300 in that hour.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:33:01pm |
re: #676 Dustyvet
Bull, I suspect he'll get a medal for doing it!
When an Army captain asked him for the direction of the line of retreat,
Col Puller called his Tank Commander, gave them the Army position, and ordered:
"If they start to pull back from that line, even one foot, I want you to open fire on them."
Turning to the captain, he replied "Does that answer your question?
We're here to fight." At Koto-ri in Korea
- Chesty Puller at Koto-ri in Korea
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:33:50pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:34:23pm |
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:34:44pm |
re: #677 Bloodnok
That was so funny. Maybe we will have a meet up and you can. He is really a great guy. I know I'm biased and all, but he really is.
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ghost ryder Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:35:54pm |
That guy has more f'in balls in his little pinky toe than the Obamessiah has in his entire blessed being....
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:36:16pm |
re: #1082 Naso Tang
reine.de.tout needs to sell more cookbooks or she may be banned. All new Lizards are required to check it out, old ones too.
We have the lowest prices on viagra, cialis, and other sex drugs
(got your attention yet?)
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pinecone Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:36:55pm |
This is the type of motivational speech that takes place every day in a myriad of military settings. I have given a few such speeches myself. Some folks are motivated, some ignore the challenge, some get pissed off or offended, and some get their feelings hurt. But, if just one person is motivated to take up the challenge then it is worth it.
De Oppresso Liber
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walter l. newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:37:46pm |
re: #675 Killgore Trout
Well, your questions above is about the SCIENCE, not faith. Mrs. Hawkings explains the "science..."
Jack... the binder in your hands shows all the air routes that fly over the coordinates where I believe the Island will be in little more than a day from now. There's a commercial airliner flying from L.A. to Guam. It's going to go right through our window. Ajira Airways, Flight 316. If you have any hope of the Island bringing you back, it must be that plane. You all need to be on it. It must be that flight. [Sighs] If you... want to return, you need to recreate as best you can the circumstances that brought you there in the first place. That means as many of the same people as you are able to bring with you.
(later in private)
ELOISE: Jack... who do you think? You need to, as best you can, recreate the conditions of the original flight... which is why you need to give John something of your father's. You have to get something that belonged to your father, and you need to give it to John.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:37:49pm |
re: #632 Killer Tomato
Too bad we couldn't have bolted the door after he left.
*knock, knock, knock*
"Who is it?"
"Its Obama!"
"Who?"
"Obama man, open up!"
"Obama?"
"Yeah Obama, come on open up!"
"Obama's not here!"
Killer Tomato -
For better or worse Barack Hussein Obama is the "POTUS" - wish it were not so - Nevertheless HE IS. I will support him when I agree with him. I SHALL Oppose him when I disagree with him as I did with "W."
My problem is that with "W" it was about 90% support, 10% oppose. With Pres. Obama, I FEAR the reverse is true.
-S-
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:38:39pm |
re: #684 Naso Tang
LOLOLOLOL!
You are so funny!
geez, I hope I don't get banned!
It's all for two great causes, ya know!
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:39:24pm |
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devil in baggy pants Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:39:47pm |
re: #342 avanti
I see a few Iraq's that at least stepped up to the plate to help their country being dressed down and called liars. Even if a few were bad guy infiltrators, others were lazy or less brave then the US soldier, the "perception" will be a insult to the Iraq in the street if it gets to them.
Appeal to their pride for trying to serve, not insult it on video for not meeting expectations.
So they signed up... so the fuck what?!? If they aren't stepping up and doing their job, they deserve this speech. You have NO idea how patient our soldiers have been, working with these ass-backwards people. He might have given them the "Way to go... great that you volunteered!" motivational speech 800 times and was tired of trying to positively motivate them.
You have no idea what the hell you're talking about... this isn't a class of children that he's trying to get to behave for an assembly.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:41:08pm |
re: #210 naftali
That was stupid. Was he really trying to talk treasonous infiltrators out of their loyalties. They should simply work to ferret out those who need 'talking' to. He wasn't winning any points with any of the other officers, either; He looked like an apoplectic teacher yelling at his out of control class who can't stand him.
You never were in the Army, were you? Running an operation like this is deadly serious business, not some fucking Six Sigma project. This "talking to" is meant to have an effect on every single one of those Iraqi policemen. To the slackers it has one meaning, to those that are doing their part it has quite another. Shame of the group for the actions of some of that group works on many levels. This needed to be said open and publicly like this.
re: #313 naftali
Sorry, what I meant to say was rather than calling out the misbehaving police officer to a fight and spending the next or twenty seconds regaining the floor, the soldier should have hauled off and rammed that guy's face with the but of his rifle. Would have cleaned that smirk right off.
Hoorah!
On a serious note: what makes you think that this soldier's performance exemplifies military training doctrine. What exactly do you think he accomplished with his speech.
The first part should have been marked with a sarc tag, if you did not mean it as sarcasm, you are a fool.
On your serious note, you fail to realize that a talk like this is sometimes necessary. What he intends to accomplish is to galvanize those that want a better Iraq into actions that will provide that better Iraq.
re: #435 naftali
For sure.
I just thought it weird to hear a soldier wasting time 'talking' an enemy into being a patriot. Or talking cowards into bravery. It's easier to sit and criticize than it is to solve the problem, and I mean no disrespect to the soldier.
Maybe the problem is the character of the security force itself, or at least that part of it being berated by the soldier. But I've cannot imagine the cowardice or treason being corrected by a stern talking to. Jewish soldiers, lehavdil, are not cowards to begin with.
And i could care less about arab shame. that wasn't my point.
You've been doing nothing but complaining about the conduct of this Soldier since your first post on this topic. How is that not disrespect? BTW Soldier is capitalized, like Sailor and Marine.
It is not the stern talking to that will correct the cowardice or treason, it is the raised expectations of those that want a free Iraq and are ready to fight for it that will correct it. This talk was as much for the cowards among them as the brave.
re: #474 naftali
You were never dressed down for being a traitor and people who join the army are not likely cowards.
This dressing down was pointless. at least as far as i can tell.
If we 'dress down' your silly ad-hom to an argument, it would seek to compare what we see on the video to an american military dress down.
Fine. Why don't you just state your point.
This dressing down was very much like what many experienced in an "American military dress down" and in fact came from the same place. This Soldier was addressing, in no uncertain terms, failings within this unit. These failings were deadly serious and needed to be addressed in a deadly serious manner. Is that point fine enough for you?
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:41:17pm |
re: #691 devil in baggy pants
So they signed up... so the fuck what?!? If they aren't stepping up and doing their job, they deserve this speech. You have NO idea how patient our soldiers have been, working with these ass-backwards people. He might have given them the "Way to go... great that you volunteered!" motivational speech 800 times and was tired of trying to positively motivate them.
You have no idea what the hell you're talking about... this isn't a class of children that he's trying to get to behave for an assembly.
OUTSTANDING!
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opnion Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:41:28pm |
re: #676 Dustyvet
Bull, I suspect he'll get a medal for doing it!
At least a promotion. This officer was justified. Our troops are dying for Iraq. They need to step up & it is pretty clear that some of these ungrateful cretins support the Mhadi Army.
This guy cares about American lives. Me too.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:42:33pm |
re: #691 devil in baggy pants
devil -
Suspect that your "Bottom Line" is that IRAQ shapes up as a nation OR ships out.
-S-
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Lib Wingnut Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:43:11pm |
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:44:39pm |
re: #696 Lib Wingnut
OT:
Charles, as a biker you might appreciate this:
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Bad cop.
No Doughnut!
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TedStriker Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:44:53pm |
re: #220 gman
The rest of the world perceived Bush to be an arrogant cowboy, while he proceeded to take care of problems that no other nation would confront.
Now we have a president who cares more about perception than the mission.
Trust me, the soldiers getting things done on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan are more mission- oriented than perception- oriented.
And Dear Leader has the power to leave our soldiers (and the people they protect, here and abroad) twisting in the wind....
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:50:59pm |
re: #686 walter l. newton
You need to, as best you can, recreate the conditions of the original flight... which is why you need to give John something of your father's. You have to get something that belonged to your father, and you need to give it to John.
That's what I'm getting at. The shoes aren't part of the science, it's part of the mysticism. When jack is putting them on Locke he even jokes about how silly it is and that Locke would be laughing at him. The shoes were an act of faith by a man of science.
Faraday's mom has the Dahrma station under the church that tells her about the fight path but they never explain how she know about the shoes (or recreating the circumstances). They don't explain how she knows it and how it fits into the mysticism/faith world of Lost.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:58:50pm |
re: #700 Killgore Trout
That's what I'm getting at. The shoes aren't part of the science, it's part of the mysticism. When jack is putting them on Locke he even jokes about how silly it is and that Locke would be laughing at him. The shoes were an act of faith by a man of science.
Faraday's mom has the Dahrma station under the church that tells her about the fight path but they never explain how she know about the shoes (or recreating the circumstances). They don't explain how she knows it and how it fits into the mysticism/faith world of Lost.
But there are a lot of similar connections. For example on the island physical items that are in contact with the people are also transported with them, like the rope from the well for example. There would have been identifiable DNA in those shoes......
I'm guessing here, but I wouldn't start calling it all mysticism yet.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 7:59:14pm |
re: #213 HelloDare
The Sunday edition of the NYT is now more expensive than one share of NYT, Inc.
No sarc.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 19, 2009 8:00:03pm |
re: #699 gemchick
This why our military rocks
gemchick -
AND why most OTHER nations Militarys DO NOT.
-S-
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 8:03:44pm |
re: #700 Killgore Trout
She never tells him it's shoes, or what to use, period. Just something. What I find interesting, I accept this as part of the "science" of the show. Locke has to have something on him that belonged to Christian Shephard. I see that as some sort of "cosmic" balance, you see it as some sort of "mystic" balance. Yet, you yourself, Killgore, the atheist, is the man of science, and see that scene as talking about faith. I, and atheist, see that as science.
Gee, maybe point made, by the producers.
See transcript of episode...
[Link: lostpedia.wikia.com...]
And read the first 3 pages of Foucaults Pendulum.
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Maximu§ Thu, Feb 19, 2009 8:05:13pm |
re: #540 avanti
I wish he'd have found a Iraq NCO to do the ass kicking, that and the video taping are my only real issue. Think of a group of American Marines being dressed down for a fuck up, by say a French NCO in a joint operation. Then video tape it for Americans to watch.
Spoken like a true Squid.
You don't know Jacks**t about how the Army is run in the field! We don't cruise around in air conditioned hotels like you did...lolly-gagging from one port to the next. This Commander probably lost some good soldiers partially because the incompetence of these Iraqi Goof-Offs wearing Police uniforms.
He's the one that has to write to the parents and tell them what happened to their boys, so he has a good reason to be angry.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 19, 2009 8:09:44pm |
re: #704 Walter L. Newton
(I'm just glad to finally know that it wasn't some clueless wardrobe person who had Christian rocking Keds with his Armani).
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devil in baggy pants Thu, Feb 19, 2009 8:10:47pm |
re: #693 Dustyvet
Thanks. Nothing pisses me off more than people who haven't been there and done that criticizing those who have done it and are still doing it. He might have been looking at a guy that he knows got one of his men killed for all we know... I actually think he's pretty restrained!
(Can you tell I got out before Clinton PC'd the Army?)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 19, 2009 8:17:13pm |
re: #707 tradewind
(I'm just glad to finally know that it wasn't some clueless wardrobe person who had Christian rocking Keds with his Armani).
The producers said that there was something in the very first scene of the show that will prove that they had this thing thought out from the beginning.
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 19, 2009 8:19:06pm |
What an awesome video. Unfortunately, I see that Cognito character crapped all over the thread. I don't believe that's the first time that's happened, either.
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 19, 2009 8:22:49pm |
Never mind Cognito. That Avanti is a first-class douchebag.
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fuseman Thu, Feb 19, 2009 9:01:25pm |
re: #616 kansas
Your point?
a smackdown is the only way to end it. calling out for a showdown begins that. seeing the response to a callout proves the need for a smackdown. anything else only results in higher damage and losses. the guy was right to call out the mahdi. now is not the time for a shy response.
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RebelDebater Thu, Feb 19, 2009 9:17:19pm |
Wow WHAT A BAD ASS MOFO!
This is the kinda shit we need to motivate them! They need to get slapped around a bit b/c right now they are being every bit as lazy as this soldier is saying...
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Timbre Thu, Feb 19, 2009 9:18:51pm |
re: #183 godfrey
So Cog, give us your version of this speech. Some of these guys want to kill you and your men. Let's hear it.
I'm in agreement with Cognito on this matter. Yes, I have heard and read that many Iraqi police are Mahdi Militia and want to kill Americans. But telling them to shape up or f--- off is not going to magically change their minds. As Alegrias and many others have pointed out, the Jihadis are true believers who will do anything to advance the cause of Jihad. Warfare is the only way to deal with them.
I have no idea who filmed this incident. The soldier may have been completely accurate about the Iraqi police standing around him. But having what he said taped and transmitted worldwide will not help us defeat the Jihadis. Only when our military tactics and strategy undermines Jihadi theology and makes them doubt the "will of Allah" will we begin to make real gains in the War Against Terrorism. And I realize this is just my amateur opinion.
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Age Of Freedom Thu, Feb 19, 2009 9:25:43pm |
This soldier is trying to change a whole culture, not just a squad of Iraqi pseudo-police. This is what Israel has been facing for many decades, and the world doesn't have a clue about this crap thinking Israel is bullying them into victimhood.
Good luck with that, dear officer. In the arab world, military discipline comes by murderous force, not values and professionalism. Welcome to the mid-east, where laziness and constant crying is the driving force of life.
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So? Thu, Feb 19, 2009 9:44:41pm |
I would have sent this guy to talk to Bush, Rumsfeld & Cheney about wanting to start a war in Iraq.
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So? Thu, Feb 19, 2009 9:46:05pm |
This soldier proves this war was a waste. Wasted on people who will never ever understand what living in a democracy is.
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MARedneck Thu, Feb 19, 2009 10:13:15pm |
#717
Seems to be going well enough now with Petraeus and Odierno.
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koedo Thu, Feb 19, 2009 10:24:16pm |
The part where the US soldier says, 'when the Sunnis come down here to cut your f*cking heads off, I'm not going to do a goddamn thing' is pure gold.
Love it.
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NY Nana Thu, Feb 19, 2009 10:33:13pm |
G-d bless him. He is a hero! And those who serve with him? Hussein does not have the decency, love of country and courage that is in the tip of a fingernail of one American soldier.
Here is something from the Brits who were serving in Iraq....a bit more in a lighter vein...
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wiffersnapper Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:18:41pm |
If this guy said "Yes We Can" I'd actually believe him.
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theheat Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:08:12am |
Two questions:
1.) Who the hell is this guy?
2.) Can he run for POTUS in 2012?
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Macker Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:56:56am |
re: #6 HelloDare
If only he were Speaker of the House.
'Cept for one thing: he'd have to be a Demo☭rat.
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hellosnackbar Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:04:37am |
Is it me or do I get the impression that this soldier lad is a tad doubtful of the
general calibre of these upstanding recruits?
I seriously doubt that the translation is accurate due to the fact that Arab men
take being labelled "women"as a most serious insult; yet they stand there like
a bunch of herded sheep.
Brain damaged liberals would say that he should have respect however dishonest he would feel that to be.
Instead they get it"straight from the shoulder" as if to say I think you're shit
but my greatest pleasure would be for you to prove me wrong.
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ilzito guacamolito Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:40:17am |
Good morning.
Woo! I got a Chris Matthews-like tingle in my loins watching that video again. The only difference is that mine was a result of a real man.
re: #5 tackle
The problem with that is it would take twice as long, bcz the translator would have to insert a bunch of 'errs', 'uhhs' and 'umms' for The One to understand.
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PamZ Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:56:16am |
re: #34 quickjustice
Calling all female lizards! We have identified a prospective mate for you! ;-)
Usually I eat my mates soon after the mating ritual is over. However, this one sounds like a keeper.
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RC51 Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:32:28am |
WOW - That speech brings back some memories of my time in the Army!
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RickatLandstuhl Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:50:11am |
re: #119 Cognito
You have obviously never served in the military, have been scared to death, and were then motivated to do something dangerous. I motivated many soldiers just this way, and then lead them from the FRONT.
As many others have said, war is hell and no one wants to get killed. Motivation takes many means, this is one of them...cookies and milk is another. In context, which do you think would work here, in this place, at this time!
Man thanks to all Lizards who have served, as I have, and to their families, like mine.
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mindy1 Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:55:11am |
What a real Man-I hope he does not get reprimanded for this;)
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gunner3160 Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:52:43pm |
This reminds me of the "motivational" talks I received and gave during my Marine years. One way or another, people WILL BE MOTIVATED.
I think that this guy MUST be a US Marine, not a soldier. Although maybe the Army has a few motivated people as well.......
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Code Red 21 Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:56:22pm |
Hell I'm ready to fight for Iraq. Wonder when they'll send him for sensitivity training? There has to be a few hurt feelings in the crowd.
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lrsshadow Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:09:28pm |
That was the best, brings back some memories.
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baconeatingkaffir Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:45:34pm |
I just hope the media doesnt wet their pants and have massive tantrums over this one. This guy talked just like my MTIs at lackland in the early '90s did. We had a female TI who would just about reduce a man to tears and often did. "Sergeant., why are you always yelling and cursing at us?".... "Well, I aint shootin' at your ass am I .....? hehehe. If a man is too sensitive to deal with that kind of language he doesnt need to be in the military or the police. My brother worked some with the Iraqi police. He took footage of a group of them jumping up and down and shouting "dirka dirka dirka" like team america. heheeh. The media would love that I'm sure!
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DesertSage Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:39:15am |
Yeah, I posted this in the spinoff links a few weeks ago.
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ShanghaiRay Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:31:08am |
Anybody commenting negatively about this soldier or his harsh but true words and not standing next to this solider in his daily battle to keep himself, his men and the Iraqis alive why don't you just shut the f*ck up. Don't second guess him unless you're walking in his boots right now. How was your Friday night? Saturday night? Have fun watching TV, walking down a relatively safe street or going out for a few brewskies with your friends? That's what I thought. This guy has a lonely lonely, unthankful job and is hated or at least looked down upon by almost half of the population of his own country.
I also don't know if any of you neigh sayers have noticed but this guy is not a politician and probably doesn't have the time or inclination to worry about hurt feelings. His job is not to be a diplomat or representative of some lofty ideals that don't even work well in our own country but to do his duty - to protect his country and his men and as far as I can tell he's doing an out-fing-standing job.
America is being prevented from kicking ass and taking names in Iraq and Afghanistan by people who want to second guess what our soldiers need to do to get the job done. I'm 100% sure we would have lost WWI and WWII under the same conditions that our poor soldiers have to live through today.
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Sifty Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:36:16pm |
I love this guy. I want this guy to marry my sister. No joke.
His money is no good in any bar, any time.
I hope this dude gets home safe and becomes President.
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