British Students Required to Think Like Suicide Bombers

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What could possibly go wrong with this brilliant idea? Pupils told to think like a suicide bomber.

The exercise is part of a teaching pack aimed at secondary school pupils that has been adopted by the Department for Children, Schools and Families. It requires children to prepare a presentation on the July 7 atrocity – in which 52 innocent people died – “from the perspective of the bombers”.

They are asked to summarise the reasons why they thought the bombers wanted to carry out their attacks and even suggest some more.

It has been produced by Calderdale council in Halifax, West Yorks, which borders the area where two of the July 7 bombers lived, and has been adopted by schools and even police forces across the country. The pack, which is called “Things do Change”, is intended as a way of addressing issues such as terrorism and suicide bombing through the national curriculum.

But it was criticised yesterday by victims, educational experts and politicians, who feared it could be “dangerous” to ask children to adopt the mindset of a terrorist.

Ya think?

UPDATE at 2/20/09 2:50:34 pm:

The British government has now canceled this idiocy.

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488 comments
1 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:30:54am

Great nation, circling drain.

2 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:31:25am

So the textbook was the Qu'ran?

3 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:31:46am

Silly me, here I thought the purpose of government, any government, was to protect the people.

4 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:32:35am
The exercise is part of a teaching pack aimed at secondary school pupils that has been adopted by the Department for Children, Schools and Families. It requires children to prepare a presentation on the July 7 atrocity – in which 52 innocent people died – “from the perspective of the bombers”.

What next, an exercise on WWII "from the perspective of the Nazis"?

WTF?

5 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:33:31am

How old are these kids? Anyone know?

6 Lee Coller  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:34:10am

Because they're evil?

7 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:34:21am

Self [deleted]

8 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:34:47am

And what the f*&^ is the meaning of this program's name, "“Things do Change”? That name so totally exemplifies the limp, flaccid, washed-out, spineless kick-me passivity of the left and its outlook. "Oh dear me, life used to make sense and there once was a difference between evil and good, and in those days one fought for one's country and one's family and oneself. In those days one stood up and took risks for what was right because one knew what was right but ah well, you know, things DO change and whaddya know, poof, they've ... uh ... changed."

9 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:34:55am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

How old are these kids? Anyone know?

Don't know. But with teaching like this they aren't likely to get much older.

10 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:35:00am

The Brits have been heading off the deep end for a while now when it comes to the Muslim community in general. I lived there for a few years and some of the stuff that they "tolerate" is quite frightening.

11 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:35:01am

re: #4 Spiny Norman

What next, an exercise on WWII "from the perspective of the Nazis"?

WTF?

They already do that in Hamas schools where they wax eloquently about how life would have been if the Nazis had won.

12 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:35:01am
But it was criticized yesterday by victims, educational experts and politicians, who feared it could be “dangerous” to ask children to adopt the mindset of a terrorist.

Un-flippin-believable

13 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:35:07am

Every day I get the impression that I'm reading the Onion.

14 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:35:27am

What will next year's anniversary require? Making Martyrdom speeches and participating in a mock suicide bombing as a vest wearer?

15 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:35:38am

re: #3 Creeping Eruption

Silly me, here I thought the purpose of government, any government, was to protect the people.

For most of the world outside of the US (but maybe not for much longer), the purpose of the government is to protect the State from the people.

16 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:35:47am

You have GOT to be fucking kidding me.

Like I said last night, violence and civil unrest are just around the corner. The explosive social ingredients are mixing. It's inevitable.

17 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:35:48am

re: #13 debutaunt

Every day I get the impression that I'm reading the Onion.

The Onion has an air of respectability.

18 sngnsgt  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:36:05am

Geez, talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

19 Gretchen  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:36:25am
They are asked to summarise the reasons why they thought the bombers wanted to carry out their attacks and even suggest some more.

Would children be expelled for stating the obvious, or just re-educated?
1. They want everyone to be ruled by a Caliphate
2. They hate freedom
3. They are animals (monkeys with blue scrotums to be exact)

20 Izzy Dunne  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:36:37am

Wonder if they ever study the 1776 unpleasantness "from the perspective of the colonists" ...

21 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:37:00am

re: #4 Spiny Norman

What next, an exercise on WWII "from the perspective of the Nazis"?

WTF?

Exactly!
last one out of Brittan, turn off the lights.

22 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:37:09am

The thing that really concerns me is that GBR is just further down the same road that we are on right now.

BBIAW

23 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:37:10am

Maybe they should produce an instructional video using homicidal cartoon characters.

/

24 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:38:30am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

How old are these kids? Anyone know?

It says secondary school so I assume teenagers.

25 AMER1CAN  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:38:58am

What's wrong with teaching kids to become terrorists?

Signed,

Palestinians

/

26 Haole  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:39:00am

Think it all the way through little crumb crunchers. How's that ending?

27 Earth56  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:39:10am

"They are asked to summarise the reasons why they thought the bombers wanted to carry out their attacks and even suggest some more"


___________________________________________________________


and Johnny gets an --F-- if he does not answer correctly

28 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:39:22am
Tahir Alam, the education spokesman of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "This isn't any different from any educational tool people use all the time. Pupils imagine they're living in the 12th century. The important lesson is that these things are never morally justifiable."

Josef would be proud of the Big Lie being spouted here. Someone is using massive taqqiya on kuffirs hoping they accept it.

29 Rob with a mind  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:39:36am

it could be “dangerous” to ask children to adopt the mindset of a terrorist

Ya Think?.

30 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:39:57am

If I'd were in that school, I would tell the teacher to bugger off and go outside and get drunk or try to have sex with a coed while that course was taught.

31 thefallingman  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:40:00am

I guess this means that the next time someone drives a flaming SUV into an airport or sets off charges in the Tube they can thank the school administration.

32 jcm  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:40:49am

This presumes an external forces as the causal factor for which homicide bombing is a reaction secondary reaction. Typical leftist mindset.

33 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:41:19am

students should NOT be compelled to think like a terrorist.
this naturally implies learning to be sympathetic to them.
students should be taught that terrorists are evil barbarians and deserve no quarter.
the only people who should learn to think like a terrorist is perhaps law enforcement charged w/ taking these pos losers down.

34 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:41:23am

re: #31 thefallingman

I guess this means that the next time someone drives a flaming SUV into an airport or sets off charges in the Tube they can thank the school administration.

Those who can't teach, those who can't teach, administrate?

35 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:41:50am

Holy bomb vest, martyrs! We've got the infidels teaching their kids to sympathize with us.

Takbir!

36 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:41:51am

I think next semester they are instituting an ant-smoking class that requires students to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day

37 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:42:02am

re: #28 FurryOldGuyJeans

"Tahir Alam, the education spokesman of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "This isn't any different from any educational tool people use all the time. Pupils imagine they're living in the 12th century. The important lesson is that these things are never morally justifiable."

Josef would be proud of the Big Lie being spouted here. Someone is using massive taqqiya on kuffirs hoping they accept it.

So it's an exercise on what the 'Future Has in Store'?

Oh, from his 7th century standpoint...I finally get it!
/

38 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:42:02am

re: #32 jcm

This presumes an external forces as the causal factor for which homicide bombing is a reaction secondary reaction. Typical leftist mindset.

Remember for Leftoids it is never about thinking, it always about feelings.

39 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:42:20am

Mainstreaming fanaticism. Why?

40 MJ  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:42:31am

Israel critic is reported appointment to top intelligence post
By Eric Fingerhut · February 20, 2009

WASHINGTON (JTA) -- A former ambassador to Saudi Arabia with a history as a critic of Israel will reportedly be named to a top intelligence post in the Obama administration.

ForeignPolicy.com reported Thursday that Chas W Freeman Jr., who served as U.S. ambassador to the Saudi kingdom from 1989-1992 and is currently the president of the Middle East Policy Council, will be the chairman of the National Intelligence Council, which plays the leading role in producing national intelligence estimates. The publication reported Freeman has told associates that in the role, he would occasionally accompany director of national intelligence Adm. Dennis Blair to give the president his daily intelligence briefing.

In 2005 remarks to the National Council on U.S.-Arab Relations, Freeman said that "as long as the United States continues unconditionally to provide the subsidies and political protection that make the Israeli occupation and the high-handed and self-defeating policies it engenders possible, there is little, if any, reason to hope that anything resembling the former peace process can be resurrected. Israeli occupation and settlement of Arab lands is inherently violent."

He added, "And as long as such Israeli violence against Palestinians continues, it is utterly unrealistic to expect that Palestinians will stand down from violent resistance and retaliation against Israelis. Mr. Sharon is far from a stupid man; he understands this. So, when he sets the complete absence of Palestinian violence as a precondition for implementing the road map or any other negotiating process, he is deliberately setting a precondition he knows can never be met."

In 2008, in a speech to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Security Studies Program, he said, "We have reflexively supported the efforts of a series of right-wing Israeli governments to undo the Oslo accords and to pacify the Palestinians rather than make peace with them.

"The so-called 'two-state solution' is widely seen in the region as too late and too little. Too late, because so much land has been colonized by Israel that there is not enough left for a viable Palestinian state alongside Israel; too little, because what is on offer looks to Palestinians more like an Indian reservation than a country."

[Link: org2.democracyinaction.org...]

41 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:42:58am
42 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:44:06am

And what ISN'T being taught in the hours during which these kids are learning to think like terrorists? Algebra? Spelling? Art history?

43 perfectsense  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:44:08am

Imagine the outrage if they had to think like Jesus.

44 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:44:15am

The real purpose of this, of course, is to condition kids to think of "grievances" - and accept them as justification - every time some splodeydope goes kaboom in a public square. It won't turn the kids into splodeydopes, it'll turn them into apologists.

45 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:44:25am

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

The real question is whether bomb belts will now become part of the school uniform, along with the school tie and the cap and blazer with the school crest.

And people used to worry about Harry Potter and his evil magic unduly influencing students.

46 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:44:28am

Oh, those poor German guards! What they must have gone through. All that yelling and screaming coming from the gas chambers. And the smell. How could the poor dears cope with it all?

Oh, the poor Japanese troops, having to cope with hacking the heads off all those Chinese civilians. Did anyone get carpal tunnel?

Do I need to keep drawing the logical comparisons? The UK has truly become a nation of upper-class twits.

47 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:44:54am

I just posted this in the spin-offs...

ISLAM KIDS TAUGHT FORGET POTTER AND PREPARE FOR JIHAD

HARRY Potter books, cricket and Shakespeare have been banned at Muslim schools in the UK where pupils are being taught to hate Britain.

Teachers are also encouraging children to despise other classic British pastimes including chess, music and Monopoly.

Youngsters are ending up living separate lives in “Muslim enclaves” away from mainstream society, research from the Civitas think-tank has found.

And many Muslim parents have no idea that their kids’ lessons are so extreme.

I wonder what their homework looks like?

48 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:45:12am

re: #40 MJ

I sure hope all my liberal Jewish friends and relatives are feeling the love now!

49 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:45:12am

I have no problem with the assignment, but it depends on just what they are told the "right" answer is. If the lesson is that suicide bombers are twisted and bloodthirsty savages, then teach on!

50 Peacekeeper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:45:51am

Hey Teacher! Leave them kids alone!

51 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:45:59am

re: #49 itellu3times

I have no problem with the assignment, but it depends on just what they are told the "right" answer is. If the lesson is that suicide bombers are twisted and bloodthirsty savages, then teach on!

We hold these truths to be self evident

52 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:46:42am

re: #47 NJDhockeyfan

I just posted this in the spin-offs...

ISLAM KIDS TAUGHT FORGET POTTER AND PREPARE FOR JIHAD

I wonder what their homework looks like?

Blocks, wires, and a cellphone?

53 MJ  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:47:16am

re: #48 Nevergiveup

I sure hope all my liberal Jewish friends and relatives are feeling the love now!

They won't. Liberalism is their religion, or at least they think that Moses carried the the Democratic Party platform down from Mt. Sinai.

54 Shug  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:47:39am

What's next, teaching students to think like George Galloway?

55 Pyrocles  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:47:44am

I'm sure there was no mention of anything Islamic at all. The main focus of the "lesson" was probably to emphasize the role of "poverty" and "social alienation" in causing terrorism, rather than Islamic ideology.


re: #2 Oh no...Sand People!

So the textbook was the Qu'ran?

56 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:47:50am

Monty Python couldn't write this stuff.
I'm so glad I'm no longer a student.

57 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:48:29am
58 jcm  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:48:29am

re: #44 Cato the Elder

The real purpose of this, of course, is to condition kids to think of "grievances" - and accept them as justification - every time some splodeydope goes kaboom in a public square. It won't turn the kids into splodeydopes, it'll turn them into apologists.

DING!re: #38 FurryOldGuyJeans

Remember for Leftoids it is never about thinking, it always about feelings.

I remember leftoids on the evening of 9/11.

"We need to understand why they felt the need to attack us, if we react with violence we'll just be preputating more violence and not solving the underlying causes."

GAH!

I understand all too well the religious, cultural and political motivations of the splodyedopes. Group hugs and singing Kumbayah isn't an option with a high survival rate.

59 Ron Shaw  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:48:34am

Some words and results instantly come to mind from such an insane 'teaching pack':

rationalizations for murder

justification for violence

newly class found empathy for terrorists

the guilty become innocent in the process

the murdered and injured innocents become responsible, in essence guilty deserving what they received

juxtaposition of cause and effect

indoctrination of thought

'terrorist' becomes martyred oppressed

placate those who oppose us

appeasement saves lives even the innocent who are now seen as guilty

self preservation and personal safety becomes contingent on capitulation

might makes right

heartless might converts the weaker in society

60 zato  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:48:52am

In other words, they're being asked to think like their lefty, terrorist-sympathyzing teachers who're insensitive to the suffering of the innocent victims of suicide bombings- acts which really are inexcusable.

61 Shug  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:48:52am

and one more thing: If I was to stand in front of a radical mosque and peacefully protest radical islam, they would lock me in jail for "inciting racial hatred"

yet these FOOLS not only allow real racial hatred to be tolerated in the schools, they f'ing promote it!

62 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:50:03am

re: #47 NJDhockeyfan

I can see banning Cricket.

63 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:50:28am

re: #62 bulwrk

only joking

64 Pyrocles  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:51:01am

The object of the lesson is probably to convince kids that their own actions are causing other kids to become terrorists. If they can think like the terrorists, they can begin to see their own bigotry reflected back at them...or something.

re: #49 itellu3times

I have no problem with the assignment, but it depends on just what they are told the "right" answer is. If the lesson is that suicide bombers are twisted and bloodthirsty savages, then teach on!

65 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:51:02am

re: #52 Ward Cleaver

re: #47 NJDhockeyfan

I just posted this in the spin-offs...

ISLAM KIDS TAUGHT FORGET POTTER AND PREPARE FOR JIHAD

I wonder what their homework looks like?

Blocks, wires, and a cellphone?

And the nuances of triacetone triperoxide (TATP), aka "The Mother of Satan".

66 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:51:04am

re: #52 Ward Cleaver

Blocks, wires, and a cellphone?

And how to pick clothes that are "slimming" so as to hide the suicide belts.

67 Earth56  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:51:17am

" I remember leftoids on the evening of 9/11."

jcm

I remember within the first hour on C-Span callers questioning why oh why ?..if only we kissed their ass blah blah blah

69 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:52:55am

re: #64 Pyrocles

Bingo.

70 Racer X  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:53:11am

"Obama took a step down to become president"
- Terry Moran
on Rush

71 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:53:21am

re: #68 fish

OT Illinois Governor Asks Burris to Resign, Calls for Special Election

And we are so lucky that Obama is the ONE politician that came out of Illinois clean. What are the chances of that?

72 MJ  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:53:30am

re: #68 fish

OT Illinois Governor Asks Burris to Resign, Calls for Special Election

Mark Kirk for Illinois Senate!

73 Adrenalyn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:53:46am

re: #14 FurryOldGuyJeans

What will next year's anniversary require? Making Martyrdom speeches and participating in a mock suicide bombing as a vest wearer?

you just found out what the most popular attire at the academy awards is going to be this year

shit, now the secret is out....


the designer is Vera Bang
sister of Vera Wang

74 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:53:50am

re: #40 MJ

Israel critic is reported appointment to top intelligence post
By Eric Fingerhut · February 20, 2009


[Link: org2.democracyinaction.org...]

At this point, I am no longer surprised by anything O! and his rabble do.

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:54:06am

re: #68 fish

OT Illinois Governor Asks Burris to Resign, Calls for Special Election

Burris resign? After he paid all that money for the seat? PUH-LEEZE!

The man's ego will never allow this to happen no matter what. The man who builds a pyramid complex monument to his political accomplishments is not someone who thinks they can ever do wrong.

76 CapeCoddah  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:54:08am

Hey all, Nothing like this at all surprises me in education, no matter the country any more. It angers the hell out of me, but, educators in general, (with, of course the many exceptions of fine educators trying to keep sanity afloat) went round the bend ages ago.
O/T, on a totally different topic, Senator Kennedy is apparently not doing well at all, and it appears his wife, Vicki, may be preparing to take over his remaining term.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

77 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:54:46am

re: #68 fish

OT Illinois Governor Asks Burris to Resign, Calls for Special Election

Will Republicans be allowed to participate, or is a Democrat-only gig?

78 Oxnuts  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:54:54am
But it was criticised yesterday by victims, educational experts and politicians, who feared it could be “dangerous” to ask children to adopt the mindset of a terrorist.

I would even argue that its more dangerous to possibly sympathize with the terrorist mindset. Terrorists are not right in the head to begin with and there is no point in trying to sympathize with their cause. I believe sympathy will only lead to acceptance rather than rejection.

79 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:55:01am

re: #74 Spiny Norman

At this point, I am no longer surprised by anything O! and his rabble do.

But it's like the slow drip torture. One piece of bad news every day.

80 wiffersnapper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:55:31am

And while we're at it, let's teach our kids how to properly cut someone's head off. BRILLIANT!

81 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:55:40am

re: #76 CapeCoddah

Hey all, Nothing like this at all surprises me in education, no matter the country any more. It angers the hell out of me, but, educators in general, (with, of course the many exceptions of fine educators trying to keep sanity afloat) went round the bend ages ago.
O/T, on a totally different topic, Senator Kennedy is apparently not doing well at all, and it appears his wife, Vicki, may be preparing to take over his remaining term.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

And I bet she is as qualified as Caroline was?

82 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:55:40am

I wonder how many of these teachers and lefties heard of Sayid Qtub.

83 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:55:56am

re: #76 CapeCoddah

Prayers for Mr. Kennedy.

84 Racer X  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:56:01am

re: #77 Spiny Norman

Will Republicans be allowed to participate, or is a Democrat-only gig?

Yes, but you are only allowed vote for them once.

85 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:56:12am

How about the article linked off that same page?

Muslim children are more likely to feel alienated than radicalised.

I'm not sure how to react to that one.

86 CapeCoddah  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:56:25am

re: #81 Nevergiveup

Nice lady, zero qualifications, as far as I know. But, she will fit right in with that resume.

87 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:56:27am

Illinois Governor Asks Burris to Resign
Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn asked Sen. Roland Burris to resign.


Blago the gift that keeps on giving...Right up the backsides of the people of Illinois.

88 Earth56  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:56:49am

re: #82 Chicago Blonde

I wonder how many of these teachers and lefties heard of Sayid Qtub.


Was he the Tidy Bowl Guy in Saudi Arabia ?

89 jpkoch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:57:31am

At least it may slow down thier copulating and lager drinking...bunch of soccer hooligans

90 Gearhead  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:57:50am

OK, sheep, take a look at the world from a wolf's perspective. Next time the wolf approaches, maybe you'll have a better understanding of why he does what he does. Just hold still. It will be over faster if you don't struggle....

91 Spiny Norman  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:57:58am

re: #81 Nevergiveup

And I bet she is as qualified as Caroline was?

What does that matter? That seat is hereditary.

92 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:58:26am

Police called to Desborough Mosque


A DOZEN police officers were called to a High Wycombe mosque this afternoon as a dispute spilled out onto the street.

The incident at the Wycombe Islamic Mission Mosque in Jubilee Road, Desborough, happened at the same time Friday Prayers were being said.

Several police officers and PCSOs descended on the scene to help ease tensions at around 2pm today.

93 Pyrocles  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:58:27am

"Dude, terrorists are the good guys! It's like V for Vendetta, man!" - Young indoctrinated gamer

re: #78 Oxnuts

I would even argue that its more dangerous to possibly sympathize with the terrorist mindset. Terrorists are not right in the head to begin with and there is no point in trying to sympathize with their cause. I believe sympathy will only lead to acceptance rather than rejection.

94 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:59:26am

re: #85 MrSilverDragon

But haven't the liberals been telling us for years that alienation is the main cause of radicalization?

95 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:59:39am
They are asked to summarise the reasons why they thought the bombers wanted to carry out their attacks and even suggest some more.

Of course the only answers that will be considered acceptable will be those which legitimize the usual litany of Muslim grievances.

I have no doubt that any student who suggests that religious fanaticism or the traditional Islamic call for jihad against the infidel will be reprimanded for his intolerance.

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:59:59am

re: #85 MrSilverDragon

How about the article linked off that same page?

Muslim children are more likely to feel alienated than radicalised.

I'm not sure how to react to that one.

Alienation and hatred of society one lives in is the first step on the path of radicalization. The article is an exercise in willful denial of facts.

97 1SG(ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:00:12am

re: #87 Dustyvet

Yet the people of Illinois just can't seem to let go of their ankles.

98 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:00:21am
99 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:00:52am

Can't say I am in the least bit surprised at the extent to which educationists can pervert their mission. The first step in recovery, however, is realizing you have a problem. If the British people summon sufficient outrage to stop this, then there is a hope. If not, then we will see the natural outcome which proceeds from unchecked addictive behavior.

100 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:01:07am

re: #68 fish

OT Illinois Governor Asks Burris to Resign, Calls for Special Election

They could use a different crooked politician.

101 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:01:09am

re: #97 1SG(ret)

Yet the people of Illinois just can't seem to let go of their ankles.

The Chicago Machine has 'em handcuffed.

102 EricWRN  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:01:54am

Well who better to dissect the moral and ethical ramifications of a suicide bombing than teenagers?!

Is it a coincidence the only person they cited lauding this as a great idea is Tahir Alam, the education spokesperson for the Muslim Council of Britain?

103 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:02:08am

re: #88 Earth56

LOL!

Did he come here in '48 or '49? Anyway, he got mad..when he saw couples dancing together. At a dance in a church basement. He also disliked the freedom women had here.

The fact that we....you know, exist...made him hate us.

104 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:02:18am

re: #57 taxfreekiller

AMERICAN TAX PAYERS ASKED TO THINK LIKE DUMB ASS'S

We're all running for political office?

105 JohnnyReb  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:02:32am

re: #33 nyc redneck

students should NOT be compelled to think like a terrorist.
this naturally implies learning to be sympathetic to them.students should be taught that terrorists are evil barbarians and deserve no quarter.
the only people who should learn to think like a terrorist is perhaps law enforcement charged w/ taking these pos losers down.

That is a nutshell is the whole point of this exercise. Get them young and get them thinking about the poor oppressed terrorists. That way they don't get too upset when the real ones go around blowing things up

106 Earth56  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:03:16am

re: #94 bulwrk

But haven't the liberals been telling us for years that alienation is the main cause of radicalization?

Interesting.....most of us would be alienated in Saudi Arabia or most of the radical Middle East if you wanted to wear, lets say a cross or star of David, but we don't put on a bomb vest...do we ?

107 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:03:51am

re: #105 JohnnyReb

That is a nutshell is the whole point of this exercise. Get them young and get them thinking about the poor oppressed terrorists. That way they don't get too upset when the real ones go around blowing things up

Education is no longer about teaching facts, its about indoctrination.

108 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:04:32am

Charles was then told of the legend that if the ravens ever leave the Tower of London, the White Tower, the monarchy, and the entire kingdom would fall (the London Stone has a similar legend).


The Ravens where seen packing this morning, and making reservations for a flight out of the United Kingdom.


/////S////

109 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:04:35am

re: #92 NJDhockeyfan

Police called to Desborough Mosque

It must be Friday.

110 pie22  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:05:07am

Bad news: "Mom, I got the part of Osama Bin Laden in the school play".
Good news: "Mom, I got an "F" in Intelligent Design class".

111 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:05:17am

re: #97 1SG(ret)

Yet the people of Illinois just can't seem to let go of their ankles.

Agreed...

112 Euler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:05:45am

The "teaching pack" has been withdrawn from the government website, according to Skynews. There is still hope for Britain.

113 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:05:48am

DOW below 7300. 7289.77 currently.

114 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:05:58am

Britain's Surrender to Islamists

This time, no fatwa was necessary. Two decades after Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called for Salman Rushdie's murder, U.K. authorities no longer need instructions in Shariah law. In pre-emptive submission to Islamist sensibilities, Britain barred Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders last Thursday from entering the country and speaking at the House of Lords.

His short anti-Islam video "Fitna," which juxtaposes Quranic verses calling for jihad with footage of Islamic terror, threatened "public security in the U.K," according to the Home Office. Since Mr. Wilder has never called for violence -- in his home country, the only life threatened as a result of his work is his own -- the imagined security threat could come only from people opposed to him, i.e. Muslim radicals. Britain is punishing Mr. Wilders not for his own actions but for the hypothetical actions of his adversaries.

What makes this surrender of free speech and fairness -- the most noble of British traditions -- particularly depressing is its totality. All main British parties support the Labour government's ban against Mr. Wilders -- the so-called Liberal Democrats just as eagerly as the Tories. Contrast this with the reaction in the Netherlands. All main Dutch parties -- although they too reject Mr. Wilders's unbalanced assault on Islam -- condemned the British decision.

It's a fitting coincidence that this suppression of free speech in the motherland of parliamentary democracy happened just two days before the 20th anniversary of the fatwa against Mr. Rushdie for penning "The Satanic Verses." Khomeini reportedly never read the book that so insulted him; rumors of its alleged offensiveness were enough for the leader of the Islamic Revolution. In an eerie parallel, rumors are also enough for the leaders of Britain. Foreign Minister David Miliband admitted on Friday to the BBC that he had not seen the film that he nevertheless found to be "hateful." It seems Britain has not only adopted Islamist standards of free speech but also Islamist standards of proof.

There is a direct line between Khomeini's 1989 death sentence against the British author and last week's detention of Mr. Wilders at Heathrow Airport. The "Rushdie Affair" was the first illustration of the West's conflict with Islamists who believe that the Quran is superior to any man-made law.

The protests in Britain sparked by "The Satanic Verses" contained all the elements of Islamist intimidation and Western appeasement with which we are now so familiar. British Muslims burned the book in the streets of Britain and called for Mr. Rushdie's murder, while the police looked on passively. Leftists began their defense of Muslim fanatics -- perfected today -- as the "real" victims who should not have been provoked. And radical Muslims and their apologists for the first time claimed to represent the British Muslim community, a questionable claim that the state made official by choosing them as their dialogue partners.

"Death, perhaps, is a bit too easy for him (Mr. Rushdie)," Iqbal Sacranie, founding secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said at the time. "His mind must be tormented for the rest of his life unless he asks for forgiveness to Almighty Allah." It is now "Sir Iqbal" as this "moderate" received a knighthood in 2005 "for services to the Muslim community, to charities and to community relations."

The Rushdie Affair was the first time Islamists not just ignored national and international law but acted, successfully, to supersede it. They didn't manage to stop the book's publication or to kill Mr. Rushdie -- although the Norwegian publisher and Italian translator were seriously wounded in separate attacks and the Japanese translator murdered.

...

115 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:06:10am

re: #73 Adrenalyn

I thought her name was Heara Bang...

116 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:06:22am

re: #99 Pullus Iulius

Can't say I am in the least bit surprised at the extent to which educationists can pervert their mission. The first step in recovery, however, is realizing you have a problem. If the British people summon sufficient outrage to stop this, then there is a hope. If not, then we will see the natural outcome which proceeds from unchecked addictive behavior.

Well, very often the first step before that is some kind of intervention. Conservatives need to do that on a societal level. It's like teaching teenagers. At some point you have to figuratively smack them upside the head and tell them to their face they're acting stupid. It doesn't matter that they'll hate/resent you for a while. It's necessary for THEIR and others' welfare.

Are conservatives willing to be hated and publicly reviled? I am. I've raised a teenager and she hates my guts right now. Too bad.

117 Adrenalyn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:07:06am

re: #115 ilzito guacamolito

I thought her name was Heara Bang...

dang !

someone always smarter or faster than me
glad gunfighting not a popular sport any more


good call !

118 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:07:11am

I wonder if I student would find himself in hot water if he were to offer as an answer to this little though experiment, verses from the Koran and the Hadiths which call for the slaying of non-believers?

119 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:07:59am

re: #118 Ringo the Gringo

I wonder if I student would find himself in hot water if he were to offer as an answer to this little though experiment, verses from the Koran and the Hadiths which call for the slaying of non-believers?

More than likely.

120 Adrenalyn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:08:39am

re: #113 midwestgak

DOW below 7300. 7289.77 currently.

once it hits 6,000
it will start rebounding
and I agree with Jimmah, 6 months is all

but I only agree with Jimmah because 0bama is fucking up so bad
that in six months, everyone will ignore him and go about making a living again and things will get "better"

but that will be relative
we'll be so far down that it won't matter much

121 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:09:13am

re: #92 NJDhockeyfan

Police called to Desborough Mosque

I lived in High Wycombe for a couple of years. Unfortunately, this really isn't news. The Muslims there have been known for sporadic violence on a regular basis, especially the young male population.

122 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:10:56am
123 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:11:11am

The chilling and cowardly words of Eric Holder

Attorney General Eric Holder thinks Americans are “a nation of cowards” on matters of race. This is the same Holder who kowtowed to Bill Clinton to help secure Clinton’s pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich. And the same Holder who prostrated himself to Hillary Clinton’s political ambitions by helping arrange pardons for 16 Puerto Rican terrorists. Now, he has the nerve to call the rest of us cowards, even as he speaks as the man who controls the entire federal law-enforcement apparatus? Quite simply, Holder has insulted all Americans, regardless of age or ethnicity.

Not only were Holder’s comments morally bankrupt, demonstrably untrue, and compelling proof of his own outlandish hubris; they also carried distinctly chilling undertones of government coercion. It is not the province of law enforcement chiefs to be judges and chief scolds of what their countrymen discuss. The current generation of Americans have spent half a century grappling with – and transcending – deeply rooted racial problems more extensively than any other nation in the world. President Barack Obama’s administration, with Holder its attorney general, is itself proof that Americans have more than discussed racial issues, they have voted their convictions. The glaring hubris of a man who would deem himself fit to pronounce such moral judgments on his fellow citizens is astonishing.

The context of Holder’s remarks, meanwhile, was chilling. He spoke on Wednesday not in some philosophical setting like a college graduation but in his official capacity as attorney general, to the employees at the Department of Justice. He talked of using DoJ to “creat[e] … artificial opportunities to engage one another” in conversations about race. Yet Holder also seeks to define what sorts of “conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us” are acceptable. For instance, regarding affirmative action, he castigated those who, according to his own Olympian discernment, are “on the extremes [and] who … advance nothing more than their own, narrow self interest.”

Bizarrely, Holder criticized “the alternative [which] is to allow to continue the polite, restrained mixing that now passes as meaningful interaction.” Who is he to decide what private interactions should be “allowed”?


Amen.

124 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:11:16am

Britain says sorry for 'think like bombers' school pack

125 fish  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:11:58am

re: #71 Nevergiveup

And we are so lucky that Obama is the ONE politician that came out of Illinois clean. What are the chances of that?

I KNOW! Can you hardly believe how lucky we are! The odds must be one in 787 billion!

/

126 Carl B  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:12:02am

re: #55 Pyrocles

I'm sure there was no mention of anything Islamic at all. The main focus of the "lesson" was probably to emphasize the role of "poverty" and "social alienation" in causing terrorism, rather than Islamic ideology.

I have no doubt that you are correct. Wouldn't it be great if kids quoted the koran and islamic leaders to present a clear justification for their obligation to kill Western infidels, spread lies and usurp our institutions in an attempt to re-establish the caliphate and make islam the universal religion?

127 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:12:34am

re: #117 Adrenalyn

No way, Toots! Kudos to you. That was a funny!

128 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:13:10am
129 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:15:42am

Clinton to Obama: Talk optimistically on economy
Smartest thing Bill ever said.

130 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:16:51am

Cannabis grower caught by police after posting video of crop on YouTube

131 justabill  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:16:55am

re: #98 taxfreekiller

Collin County Texas

One of the richest counties in Texas
Plano Texas in Collin County.

Plano Independent School Dist. one of the (former richest school dist in Texas).

10 years of illegal immigrates moving into the school dist.

Result:

$17,000,000.00 negative budget,
School dist thinks it can not raise the taxes in this down economy,,

so,,,,

they announce tonight,

double the class room load from the current 14 students per class to 24 per class

The borders are open, Obama will open them more and "comprehensive immigration reform " more.

Not one person will talk about the illegals, the msm will not, the teachers unions will not, the ones they elect to the school board will not, but mean old mr facts and History will make a note,,,,,,,

Any where in the U.S.A. is next, is it your school that is next.?

It is your country current, for how long is the question.

And decrease class time spent on math so as to have more time for liberal indoctrination...

132 deWildcats  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:16:59am

Anti-terrorist Tactic ... learn to fight back

133 horse  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:17:03am

In the modern UK, isn't the action of having a child envision and relate to the motives of a terrorist or war criminal child abuse?

134 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:17:17am

re: #50 Peacekeeper

Hey Teacher! Leave them kids alone!

"All in all, it's just a-nother brick in the wall."

135 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:18:02am

The world and Europe is FUBAR

136 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:18:07am

re: #129 J.D.

Clinton to Obama: Talk optimistically on economy
Smartest thing Bill ever said.

LMAO

Looks like Bill is having a 'What have we done' forehead slap moment if he's daring to 'advise' the Øne.

137 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:18:41am

re: #132 deWildcats

Anti-terrorist Tactic ... learn to fight back

In today's Britain self-defense is illegal and men have been jailed for defending their wives from thugs.

138 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:18:57am
139 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:19:09am
They are asked to summarise the reasons why they thought the bombers wanted to carry out their attacks and even suggest some more.

Maybe some pupil will say they carried out the attacks at the prompting of Satan, who finds islam a portal direct to the human heart.

If they say this, they might be arrested?

All madness.

140 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:19:22am

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

Cannabis grower caught by police after posting video of crop on YouTube

"The man made his arrest even easier after using his real name as his "internet handle"."

I just love it that some criminals are so stupid.

141 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:20:02am

re: #138 taxfreekiller

Yes, how could the O love America? If he did, he would have walked out on "Rev." Wright.

142 JohnnyReb  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:20:30am

re: #136 esch

LMAO

Looks like Bill is having a 'What have we done' forehead slap moment if he's daring to 'advise' the Øne.

Buyers remorse setting in really really quick!

143 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:20:36am
144 Cognito  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:20:40am

Up is down. Black is white. And apparently ignorance is education.

145 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:21:43am

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

Further proof that pot rots the brain.

Life is tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid, and even tougher if you're stupid and toking up.

146 rockman  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:21:53am

That's not teaching; it's machine-tooling young minds. I'd rather see them
asked to imagine themselves as Winston Churchill fighting the mahdist
zealots at Omdurman under General Kitchener. Now THAT would be a teachable moment...

147 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:21:54am

re: #144 Cognito

Up is down. Black is white. And apparently ignorance is education.

Were you posting you job description? :)

148 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:22:14am

Another down day for the Dow. This stimulus thing isn't going so well.

149 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:22:35am

The Brits used to be made of sterner stuff.

150 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:23:42am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Another down day for the Dow. This stimulus thing isn't going so well.

Ever been skydiving? Freefall can be quite stimulating.

151 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:24:06am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Another down day for the Dow. This stimulus thing isn't going so well.

About as good as Mexican Viagra///

152 mattm  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:24:10am

What next? A 9/11 Simulator where you can pretend to be a box-cutter welding terrorist, storm the cock pit ans scream "Allah ackhbar" while you drive a plane into a building?

Idiots.

153 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:24:23am

re: #87 Dustyvet

Illinois Governor Asks Burris to Resign
Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn asked Sen. Roland Burris to resign.

Blago the gift that keeps on giving...Right up the backsides of the people of Illinois.

Blago did the Machine no favors either. He had Pat Quinn for a Lt. Gov. That was a major poison pill the Machine had to swallow. He then chose Burris as Senator. That's another wonderful favor for both us and the Machine. For us, he sucks now. For the Machine, they know he will lose in 2010.

I'm busy popping the corn now. This'll be good entertainment.

154 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:24:40am

re: #142 JohnnyReb

Buyers remorse setting in really really quick!

My pipe dream is that Shrill gets fed up with having given up a Senate seat only to be sidelined and neutered, defects, and they both go on the attack against the Ø trainwreck in motion to line her up for '16.

I know, impossible, but it sure sounds good and would be SUCH FUN to watch.

155 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:24:40am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Another down day for the Dow. This stimulus thing isn't going so well.

You know, I really don't want to see anyone get hurt, financially or otherwise.

But I really feel so helpless right now, in regards to the politicians that we have running the country, that at this point, I want to see a lot of this fail, because I believe that it will be the only way that real change is going to happen.

The change when Joe Citizen finally get off their asses and does something about all of this.

156 Teacake!  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:25:04am

As much as I hate 2 of my neighbors for ruining my life, I could never send a child of mine to die just for the pleasure of killing them. So they want to teach their children how to be irrational and bitter?

157 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:25:12am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Another down day for the Dow. This stimulus thing isn't going so well.

Now there's an understatement.

Desc Last Change (%)
Dow 7,270.49 -195.46 (-2.62%)
Nasdaq 1,419.34 -23.48 (-1.63%)
S&P 500 756.71 -22.23 (-2.85%)
NYSE Comp 4,726.81 -154.35 (-3.16%)
Amex Comp 1,313.64 -37.89 (-2.80%)
Russell 2000 403.56 -13.15 (-3.16%)
CBOE Volatility 51.95 4.87 (10.34%)
10 Yr T-Note 2.692 -0.165 (-5.78%)
30 Yr Bond 3.503 -0.185 (-5.02%)
Crude Oil 37.92 -1.56 (-3.95%)
158 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:25:42am

*snort* Teacher, here's my essay!

They did not like my way of life,
They did not like my working wife.
They didn't like my ice-cold beer
As I let out a football cheer...


/I wouldn't last long in that class, would I?

159 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:26:21am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Another down day for the Dow. This stimulus thing isn't going so well.

Surely no one thought that it would. There is very little in the actual bill that could be described as "stimulus". I will admit that there are some commendable items in the Bill, but they should have been brought to the floor on their own merit, and not packaged in with this steaming pile of manure.

160 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:26:30am

re: #158 Chicago Blonde

*snort* Teacher, here's my essay!

They did not like my way of life,
They did not like my working wife.
They didn't like my ice-cold beer
As I let out a football cheer...

/I wouldn't last long in that class, would I?

In my class, you'd get a star on your forehead for that one! LOL

161 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:26:53am

re: #159 rawmuse

If your stimulus lasts longer than 4 years ...

162 Pyrocles  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:26:57am

I wonder if Obama would know how to do that? He's one of the worst "doom and gloomers" I've ever heard. It's his whole schtick.

re: #129 J.D.

Clinton to Obama: Talk optimistically on economy
Smartest thing Bill ever said.

163 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:27:26am

re: #157 J.D.

In other words, it sucks in the markets today.

164 mattm  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:27:29am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Another down day for the Dow. This stimulus thing isn't going so well.

I'm sure the MSM will get right on reporting this
/s

165 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:27:52am

re: #161 Ojoe

If your stimulus lasts longer than 4 years ...

... call Warren Buffet.

166 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:28:06am

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

I think part of the problem is that economics is very complicated and most people don't understand it. The other problem is that nobody has an alternate plan that we can point to and say, "this would have worked."

167 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:28:12am

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

Sadly, most people can only learn hard lessons the hard way.

I feel zero sympathy for the fools who voted for this glorified fool. Let 'em starve for a while then go work at McD's or WalMart. Good for 'em.

168 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:28:27am

re: #129 J.D.

Clinton to Obama: Talk optimistically on economy
Smartest thing Bill ever said.


You know were in deep doodoo when Clinton is giving advice on the economy.

169 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:28:38am

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

He has grocery money enough.

170 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:28:46am

re: #146 rockman

That's not teaching; it's machine-tooling young minds. I'd rather see them
asked to imagine themselves as Winston Churchill fighting the mahdist
zealots at Omdurman under General Kitchener. Now THAT would be a teachable moment...

To the Leftist mind, Churchill was evil for being there. Sudan should have left to its own devices. Never mind that those devices included (then as now) slavery, jihad, and mass murder. Britain is bad because it tried to assert better norms, because it insisted on the idea of truth, as compared to the "many truths" multi-culti ideal. When I try to explain the thoughts of such lefties to my father, he cannot believe that people could be so stupid. I still have trouble with the idea myself.

171 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:29:03am
British Students Required to Think Like Suicide Bombers

Sadly, too many of them already do.

172 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:29:04am
173 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:29:15am

re: #167 esch

The mess is affecting those who did not vote for him also.

174 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:29:48am

re: #160 J.D.

Thank you! I shall wear my virtual star with pride!

175 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:30:02am

re: #167 esch

Sadly, most people can only learn hard lessons the hard way.

I feel zero sympathy for the fools who voted for this glorified fool. Let 'em starve for a while then go work at McD's or WalMart. Good for 'em.

I think you misread my comment. I'm blaming this on ALL the politicians in DC (and state and local).

176 Gella  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:30:27am

re: #172 taxfreekiller

Pravda lives.

Pravda killed Russia.

Pravda is alive in the U.S.A. today.

Will you also succumb to the Pravda scum?

funny thing is, Pravda never did honest or truthful reporting

177 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:30:48am
178 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:31:01am

Oh, Canada!

Is Macleans like our American Spectator, etc?

179 Cognito  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:31:02am

re: #166 Killgore Trout

I think part of the problem is that economics is very complicated and most people don't understand it. The other problem is that nobody has an alternate plan that we can point to and say, "this would have worked."

Not only do most people not understand it, nobody empirically grasps it. The very best economic minds in the country are looking at the same set of data, and reaching opposite conclusions. And the chosen model -- good old Keynes -- is untested.

So. We'll see.

180 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:31:59am

Man jailed for using girl as sex object

A married man who used a 15-year-old schoolgirl as a sex object was jailed for 21 months today.

Amjid Raj, 31, of Swallow Street, Keighley, pleaded guilty to sexual activity with a child in September 2007.

Prosecutor Timothy Capstick told Bradford Crown Court the single offence took place at the girl’s home.

She confided in her school friends about what had happened. Two months later, her mother found out and the police were alerted.

In September 2008, Raj was charged with rape. His guilty plea to the less serious offence was accepted by the Crown.

Mr Capstick said Raj was imprisoned for five years in 1999 for supplying Class A drugs.

181 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #173 Ojoe

Yes. But don't forget that plenty of so called conservatives threw a tantrum and didn't vote against him. In my book that's a vote for all of this.

Survive. That's all that matters at this point. Let the fools starve.

182 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:33:13am

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

The male had been videoing the growth of the plant over a number of months and uploading his horticultural endeavours onto the site to document it – providing us with fairly conclusive evidence.

I guess inviting the cops to his place for the taping would have been absolutely conclusive.

BTW, greetings fellow Devs fan. They are one of the only things worth anything in this damned state. Which brother is your avatar? I cannot remember.

183 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:33:13am
184 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:33:14am

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

Ah, my apologies W.

I agree. It's time for a complete turn-over of our representation.

185 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:33:17am

re: #179 Cognito

The Amish, the Hutterites & the Mennonites, they understand economy.

I am sure their way of life is running merrily along without so much as a hiccough.

186 Mirage  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:33:37am

re: #71 Nevergiveup

And we are so lucky that Obama is the ONE politician that came out of Illinois clean. What are the chances of that?

About as probable as it is for me to fly to the moon under my own power.

187 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:34:52am

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

There's an individual who is a candidate for "lock 'em up and throw away the key."

188 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:34:56am
189 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:34:56am

re: #184 esch

Ah, my apologies W.

I agree. It's time for a complete turn-over of our representation.

Argh. Let me rephrase that. I agree with your assessment of cause, and I THINK it's time for a complete turn-over of our representation. Didn't mean to put words in your post.

190 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:35:00am

The more I read the topic above, the madder I get. Don't they realize that tacitly, they are admitting some fault of the innocent victims an community by even suggesting that there is a rational or legitimate reason for ANY suicide bombing.

191 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:35:02am

re: #168 VioletTiger

You know were in deep doodoo when Clinton is giving advice on the economy.

Clinton is giving Obama advice on how to talk about an issue. Obama never did that during the campaign (and the MSM never made him do it), so now he is learning on the job how to speak about a specific issue and failing at it.

BHO = Fail

192 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:35:03am

re: #184 esch

Ah, my apologies W.

I agree. It's time for a complete turn-over of our representation.

And, to tag on your original statement, we could start with the Big O.

193 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:35:08am

re: #179 Cognito

Not only do most people not understand it, nobody empirically grasps it. The very best economic minds in the country are looking at the same set of data, and reaching opposite conclusions. And the chosen model -- good old Keynes -- is untested.

So. We'll see.

"We have taken what works and replaced it with what doesn't work. - Thomas Sowell

194 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:35:45am

re: #185 Ojoe

The Amish, the Hutterites & the Mennonites, they understand economy.

I am sure their way of life is running merrily along without so much as a hiccough.


I found it odd one time to be behind an Amish person in the grocery store buying Pampers. You'd think they'd use cloth baby diapers.

195 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:35:48am

re: #173 Ojoe

The mess is affecting those who did not vote for him also.

And that is what bothers me when I try to drift off to sleep.

196 razorbacker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:36:20am

ABC radio news had the audacity, the unmitigated gall to report that the Obamanation is 'going to hold cities acountable' for spending their pork pie.

One example of so-called wasteful spending was a million-dollar waterpark for Pine Bluff, AR.

Somebody better watch it. Pine Bluff is the largest 'majority minority' city in Arkansas. It is the crucible of ACORN, the fountainhead from which all else has flowed. Not to mention, this thing is 'for the children'.

What do you mean, "How is this going to help the economy?" Why do you hate poor children?

197 Racer X  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:36:40am

I watched a Frontline / PBS show last night, Inside The Meltdown, on the financial crisis.

They placed the blame squarely on Bernanke and Paulson. Tim Geitner was portrayed as a genius. Chris Dodd and Barney Frank were portrayed as heroes sounding the alarm.

I almost puked.

No mention of the CRA.
No mention of Franklin Raines.
No mention of Jim Johnson.

They laid the blame squarely at the feet of Republicans and their "buddies" on Wall Street.

198 NYCHardhat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:36:52am

A WOMAN'S POEM

He didn't like the casserole
And he didn't like my cake.
He said my biscuits were too hard...
Not like his mother used to make.
I didn't perk the coffee right
He didn't like the stew,
I didn't mend his socks
The way his mother used to do.
I pondered for an answer
I was looking for a clue.
Then I turned around and
smacked the shit out of him...
Like his mother used to do.

199 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:36:55am

re: #194 redstateredneck

Funny! Maybe they have some other use for them.

200 barry the baptist  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:37:17am

How about this for a pickle:

Have Muslim students think like Christians living in the UK.

Does such assignment provoke a fatwa of death? Hmmm......

201 JohnnyReb  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:37:27am

re: #194 redstateredneck

I found it odd one time to be behind an Amish person in the grocery store buying Pampers. You'd think they'd use cloth baby diapers.


We go to Lancaster, PA every summer and the first time there, I found it extremely odd that there were horse and buggy parking stalls at the WalMart.

202 vxbush  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:37:43am

re: #194 redstateredneck

I found it odd one time to be behind an Amish person in the grocery store buying Pampers. You'd think they'd use cloth baby diapers.

I would think that is obvious, especially if you've had a child. :-)

203 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:37:49am

"Every Single Day"

Youtube Video
204 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:37:51am

re: #196 razorbacker

ABC radio news had the audacity, the unmitigated gall to report that the Obamanation is 'going to hold cities acountable' for spending their pork pie.

One example of so-called wasteful spending was a million-dollar waterpark for Pine Bluff, AR.

Somebody better watch it. Pine Bluff is the largest 'majority minority' city in Arkansas. It is the crucible of ACORN, the fountainhead from which all else has flowed. Not to mention, this thing is 'for the children'.

What do you mean, "How is this going to help the economy?" Why do you hate poor children?

Until ACORN is identified as one of the major sources of the problem, how can it be solved?

205 Gella  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:38:01am

re: #200 barry the baptist

How about this for a pickle:

Have Muslim students think like Christians living in the UK.

Does such assignment provoke a fatwa of death? Hmmm......

i think u just might be punished by them for saying that

206 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:38:01am

re: #199 Ojoe

Funny! Maybe they have some other use for them.

Could have been for the horse parked outside. Like the carriage horses in New Orleans!

207 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:38:45am
208 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:38:49am

We can bitch and moan as much as we like about the DOW and the Market. I live in S Africa atm and I can tell you that the US will come out of this fucking mess first. We are still and will always be the strongest, proudest and loudest nation in the world.

No nation has the balls, ingenuity, and work ethic like we do.

Be strong free people. Save your hard earned $ and fight this stimulus/pork spend.

God Bless The U.S.A

209 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:38:58am

re: #202 vxbush

I would think that is obvious, especially if you've had a child. :-)

Haha! I was going to be all natural and use cloth diapers for my first. That lasted about a day and a half! When those things are wet, they're really wet!

210 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:39:15am

re: #198 NYCHardhat

A WOMAN'S POEM

He didn't like the casserole
And he didn't like my cake.
He said my biscuits were too hard...
Not like his mother used to make.
I didn't perk the coffee right
He didn't like the stew,
I didn't mend his socks
The way his mother used to do.
I pondered for an answer
I was looking for a clue.
Then I turned around and
smacked the shit out of him...
Like his mother used to do.

DING. THIS IS A KEEPER...:)

211 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:39:27am

re: #198 NYCHardhat

Bwa hahaha! UPDING!

212 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:40:10am

re: #208 Erik The Red

We can bitch and moan as much as we like about the DOW and the Market. I live in S Africa atm and I can tell you that the US will come out of this fucking mess first. We are still and will always be the strongest, proudest and loudest nation in the world.

No nation has the balls, ingenuity, and work ethic like we do.

Be strong free people. Save your hard earned $ and fight this stimulus/pork spend.

God Bless The U.S.A

Obama should take a cue from you on how to boost morale!

213 vxbush  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:41:31am

re: #209 redstateredneck

Haha! I was going to be all natural and use cloth diapers for my first. That lasted about a day and a half! When those things are wet, they're really wet!

And if you are dealing with incontinent adults, as I have to, NO ONE even thinks of cloth....

Trash hauling is the one of the best modern inventions.

214 fish  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:41:43am

re: #194 redstateredneck

I found it odd one time to be behind an Amish person in the grocery store buying Pampers. You'd think they'd use cloth baby diapers.

I was bound and determined that I would use cloth diapers for my children. "Save Money, help the environment" I thought. Bought a pack of cloth diapers and used one of them exactly once. It was disposables from that moment on.

215 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:42:07am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Clinton is giving Obama advice on how to talk about an issue. Obama never did that during the campaign (and the MSM never made him do it), so now he is learning on the job how to speak about a specific issue and failing at it.

BHO = Fail


And so ironic that Mr Hopenchange needs lessons on 'giving hope'.

216 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:43:13am

re: #203 Dustyvet

In that vain...

Michelle Malkin has a good idea on her site. I plan to attend on Saturday.

217 Diamond Bullet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:43:26am

It's already paid off pretty well, but the bulk of my ancestors leaving Britain in the 1700s for America is continuing to look like one of the greatest acts of familial foresight imaginable. Never going back, not even for the funeral.

218 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:43:49am

Iran in 'backroom offers' to West


Iran offered to stop attacking British troops in Iraq to try to get the West to drop objections to Tehran's uranium enrichment project, a UK official says.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

219 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:44:01am

re: #212 redstateredneck

I have been here for 26 years. There is not one person that would not kill/give a arm to immigrate to the US.

44 want's to bring us down to the world level.
FUCK THAT. Bring the world up to the US's level.

220 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:44:48am

re: #214 fish

I was bound and determined that I would use cloth diapers for my children. "Save Money, help the environment" I thought. Bought a pack of cloth diapers and used one of them exactly once. It was disposables from that moment on.

They do make dandy dust rags, though, don't they?

221 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:45:14am

re: #200 barry the baptist

How about this for a pickle:

Have Muslim students think like Christians living in the UK.

Does such assignment provoke a fatwa of death? Hmmm......


Better - have them think what it is like to be Jews, or Israelis under the threat of rocket attacks.

222 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:45:28am

re: #213 vxbush

Trash hauling is the one of the best modern inventions.

And someday those landfills are going to be resource gold mines. Recycling of them WILL happen once we have the technology and incentive to exploit it. Don't worry about throwing stuff away.

223 vxbush  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:46:27am

re: #222 esch

And someday those landfills are going to be resource gold mines. Recycling of them WILL happen once we have the technology and incentive to exploit it. Don't worry about throwing stuff away.

Yup. Someday Mr. Fusion reactor will be attached to my house and my car....

224 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:46:29am

re: #219 Erik The Red

I have been here for 26 years. There is not one person that would not kill/give a arm to immigrate to the US.

44 want's to bring us down to the world level.
FUCK THAT. Bring the world up to the US's level.

But Erik, the 7th Century has so much to offer...um, wait a sec I need to go think about this some more and get back with you...:)


/S

225 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:46:37am

re: #222 esch

And someday those landfills are going to be resource gold mines. Recycling of them WILL happen once we have the technology and incentive to exploit it. Don't worry about throwing stuff away.

Or the economy gets so bad people go to the landfills to find stuff to use and sell.

226 Barry the Baptist  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:46:38am

re: #221 Kosh's Shadow

That's a good lesson idea as well. Certainly, that would precipitate a fatwa of some type.

227 kansas  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:46:56am

re: #13 debutaunt

Every day I get the impression that I'm reading the Onion.

You like the onion, this is really inspirational.
[Link: www.theonion.com...]

228 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:47:08am

Iggy & Barack... BFF!

229 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:47:11am

re: #219 Erik The Red

FUCK THAT. Bring the world up to the US's level.

*rolls eyes*

Typical rude, bourgeois American.

////

230 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:47:12am

re: #216 Amer-I-Can

In that vain...

Michelle Malkin has a good idea on her site. I plan to attend on Saturday.

Excellent! People like us have got to take to the streets and demand fiscal responsibility!

231 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:47:32am

re: #223 vxbush

Yup. Someday Mr. Fusion reactor will be attached to my house and my car....

Don't worry. Practical fusion reactors will be around in 20 years or less.
And I've been hearing that since the 1960's.

232 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:47:34am

re: #225 Kosh's Shadow

Italy mined the iron slag heaps of the Etruscans during WW2.

233 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:48:10am

re: #219 Erik The Red

I have been here for 26 years. There is not one person that would not kill/give a arm to immigrate to the US.

44 want's to bring us down to the world level.
FUCK THAT. Bring the world up to the US's level.

All part of the redistribution of wealth, the global edition.

234 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:48:53am

re: #222 esch

And someday those landfills are going to be resource gold mines. Recycling of them WILL happen once we have the technology and incentive to exploit it. Don't worry about throwing stuff away.

And now you don't even ahve to worry about throwing disposable nappies away!

Relief for parents' disposable nappy guilt

From that report:

'A scheme to recycle thousands of tonnes of used disposable nappies into everything from tiles to bicycle helmets and, eventually, to extract methane from them to generate energy is about to start.
The first of five plants designed to reclaim the plastic and fibres used to make nappies and incontinence pads will open in Birmingham, with four others planned by 2014 for cities such as Manchester, Liverpool and London. '

There ye go, ten ...

235 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:48:55am

re: #222 esch

And someday those landfills are going to be resource gold mines. Recycling of them WILL happen once we have the technology and incentive to exploit it. Don't worry about throwing stuff away.

So I don't have to feel guilty whenever I see one of those forever in a landfill commercials? Great!

236 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:49:05am

A Florida Court's 'Rocket Docket' Blasts Through Foreclosure Cases
2 Questions, 15 Seconds, 45 Days to Get Out; 'What's to Talk About?' Says a Judge

...Two years ago, the Lee County court system had about 1,900 foreclosure cases on the books. That number swelled to 24,000 by the beginning of this year. ...
237 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:49:23am

re: #209 redstateredneck

Haha! I was going to be all natural and use cloth diapers for my first. That lasted about a day and a half! When those things are wet, they're really wet!

* * *
My mother was hit by a frozen diaper she'd hung up to dry on the clothesline in winter, leaving a scar on her face! She had two children in cloth diapers. I can never repay her devotion, handwashing poopy diapers in the dark ages, when America was great! (this was Ann Arbor, Michigan)

238 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:49:27am

re: #182 ilzito guacamolito

The male had been videoing the growth of the plant over a number of months and uploading his horticultural endeavours onto the site to document it – providing us with fairly conclusive evidence.

I guess inviting the cops to his place for the taping would have been absolutely conclusive.

BTW, greetings fellow Devs fan. They are one of the only things worth anything in this damned state. Which brother is your avatar? I cannot remember.

Hey there...that would be Steve Hanson. I love that movie.

"Hi Ogie. Buy you a soda after the game?"

239 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:49:46am

re: #225 Kosh's Shadow

Or the economy gets so bad people go to the landfills to find stuff to use and sell.

And then take it back to Bartertown.

240 godfrey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:49:58am

re: #162 Pyrocles

The O's doom and gloom is his attempt to project the gravitas he doesn't have.

This whole UK "think like a suicide bomber" is the educational analog to the international media's attempt "to portray all sides."

241 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:50:25am

I guess we should declare once and for all that the British WANT to be destroyed from within.

242 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:50:30am

re: #239 redstateredneck

And then take it back to Bartertown.

Master Blaster rule Bartertown!

243 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:50:41am

re: #239 redstateredneck

And then take it back to Bartertown.

"Who runs Bartertown?"

244 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:50:43am

re: #237 alegrias

I used to hang diapers on the clothesline that froze.
Ahhhhhh...the good old days...

245 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:51:02am

Awww, my Unicorn just arrived

Wait, while I open the gift box....

HOLY SH**!


Image: funny_animals_37.jpg

246 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:51:06am

Chicago Sun-Times:
Obama beats out Jesus as America's hero

247 leww37334  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:51:28am

One of the first step in brain washing is to try to establish an empathy for the torturer in the victim's minds.

Thank God for the founding father's efforts that got us away from those insane people.

248 fish  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:51:44am

re: #220 redstateredneck

They do make dandy dust rags, though, don't they?

Yes they do!

249 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:51:47am

re: #243 scottishbuzzsaw

Black Bart.

250 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:51:48am

re: #242 Kosh's Shadow

Master Blaster rule Bartertown!

re: #243 scottishbuzzsaw

"Who runs Bartertown?"

I can't help it, I love that movie.

251 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:51:55am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

Chicago Sun-Times:
Obama beats out Jesus as America's hero

But is he more popular than the Beatles?

252 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:52:00am

Al Gore to get a fatwa?
Cleric: Biofuel may be sinful for Muslims

An Islamic scholar in Saudi Arabia said using ethanol or other alcohol-derived fuels in vehicles may be a sin for Muslims.

Sheik Mohamed al-Najimi of the Saudi Islamic Jurisprudence Academy told Saudi newspaper Shams that the prophet Mohammed banned alcohol for all uses -- including buying, selling, carrying and manufacturing, Al-Arabiya reported Friday.

Najimi said Muslims who use biofuel, which is made from fermented plants, in their cars are violating the ban since the substance "is basically made up of alcohol."

The cleric, who said his statements represented only his personal opinion and not an official fatwa, called for further study of the issue by Islamic religious bodies.

253 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:52:20am

re: #227 kansas

You like the onion, this is really inspirational.
[Link: www.theonion.com...]

Those hospitals are negative places.

254 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:52:26am

re: #250 redstateredneck

I can't help it, I love that movie.

I'd buy it but I'm not sure I want to give Mel Gibson any of my money.

255 quickjustice  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:52:43am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

Jesus of Nazareth, a First Century Jewish rabbi, is way, way better than Obama!

256 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:52:45am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Oh brother.

257 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:52:49am

I am not great at typing. Better with my mouth.

I would like to sponsor ACORN/ and all the Dems in the house and senate to a all expenses paid vacation to the deepest part of Africa. If they can come back and say that they think that the USA would be better in the third world my bad.

The poorest of the poor in the USA and Europe have no FUCKING IDEA.

258 Clemente  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:52:50am

re: #149 Ojoe

The Brits used to be made of sterner stuff.

Not any more, not at all:

Police crack down on anti-social behaviour

“Anyone caught drinking under-age will have their alcohol confiscated and will be educated about the issues of drinking.

“Anti-social behaviour will be dealt with in a similar way – by trying to get to the bottom of the causes and offering help to young people.”

259 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:53:03am

re: #235 redstateredneck

So I don't have to feel guilty whenever I see one of those forever in a landfill commercials? Great!

If there's a legitimate problem or a need, someone will make a profit by fixing it.

Whenever someone is trying to make me feel guilty about something beyond my immediate family/friends/neighbors, I laugh at them.

260 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:53:08am

(Black Bart was a white guy)

261 Amer-I-Can  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:53:12am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

Chicago Sun-Times:
Obama beats out Jesus as America's hero

I just makes you want to cry... or punch a liberal, whichever comes first...

262 Barry the Baptist  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:53:55am

re: #240 godfrey

I agree with you. I think that someone needs to play this game with the kids after discussing the terrorism issue with them:

What would Edward I, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, William I, & Henry III have done to these terrorists?

263 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:53:57am

re: #247 leww37334

One of the first step in brain washing is to try to establish an empathy for the torturer in the victim's minds.

Thank God for the founding father's efforts that got us away from those insane people.

Similar to the Stockholm syndrome.

264 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:54:04am

re: #251 Kosh's Shadow

But is he more popular than the Beatles?

Good point there. The Beatles probably weren't on the list of choices.

265 NYCHardhat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:54:27am

The poorest of the poor in the USA and Europe have no FUCKING IDEA.

Effing-A Cotton, effing-A

*Dodgeball reference turned off*

266 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:54:56am

re: #255 quickjustice

Jesus of Nazareth, a First Century Jewish rabbi, is way, way better than Obama!

Jesus used to win this poll.

267 brookly red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:55:06am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I guess it should be OK unless they try to siphon it, ick!

268 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:55:08am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

Chicago Sun-Times:
Obama beats out Jesus as America's hero

I thought it was hard to type while you were giving someone head, but it seems that the Sun-Times has managed it just fine.

/puke

269 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:55:13am

re: #254 Kosh's Shadow

I'd buy it but I'm not sure I want to give Mel Gibson any of my money.

* * *
Don't want you throwing your money away, but if you had to throw money at someone, before a Hollywood leftists gets your hard earned money, better to encourage someone like Mel Gibson who at least LIKES America, and is unapologetic about it and his pro-Western faith.

270 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:55:29am

re: #233 VioletTiger

All part of the redistribution of wealth, the global edition.

Redistribution my ass. I sweat and bleed for my family. And 22 others who don't give a shit half the time because we can not fire them.

Yes Lizards I have had a SHIT day today. Sorry to rant.

271 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:55:29am

re: #254 Kosh's Shadow

I'd buy it but I'm not sure I want to give Mel Gibson any of my money.

Just record it if you can catch it playing on tv, then it's a freebie.

272 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:55:31am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

Chicago Sun-Times:
Obama beats out Jesus as America's hero

John Lennon got pilloried for pointing out just such a fact.

273 Gella  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:55:36am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

Chicago Sun-Times:
Obama beats out Jesus as America's hero

its too much

274 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:55:38am

re: #245 Dustyvet

Awww, my Unicorn just arrived

Wait, while I open the gift box....

HOLY SH**!


[Link: api.ning.com...]

Now there's a face only a mother could love.

275 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:55:39am

Get ready to party ...

Like it's 1773, that is:
[...]
Grassroots tax protests are springing up all over -- Mesa, AZ, Hoboken, NJ, Denver, CO, and Seattle, WA. And in Pennsylvania, Sen. Arlen Specter was jeered by angry constituents at a press conference.

Right about now, the Obama White House has got to be eating a lot of Rolaids. They've severely "misunderestimated" the American people, so to speak. Maybe you thought you had us at "hope and change," Mr. President, but when your policies threaten the financial security of our nation, cheap promises aren't enough. Instead, you have awakened the ghost of Howard Beale:

276 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:56:12am

re: #264 capitalist piglet

Good point there. The Beatles probably weren't on the list of choices.

I hope at least some lizards remember that the Beatles got into trouble because John Lennon said they were more popular than Jesus.
And I don't think he was saying that was appropriate, just that it seemed to be the case.
Churches burnt their records, there were protests, etc.

277 Gella  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:56:28am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

Chicago Sun-Times:
Obama beats out Jesus as America's hero

Kim Jong Ill mist be seriously upset by this :)
\\

278 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:56:33am

Oh goody!
I got an email from my congressional crapweasel!

As a public service to all of you, I've removed references to my state, allowing you to fill in the name of yours. This way, if you are not the fortunate recipient of personal correspondence from your elected official, you can be the first on your block to pretend you are.

Thank you for contacting me about H.R. 1, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. I truly appreciate hearing from you, and I am working hard to stand up for {your state} interests in Congress.
H.R. 1 is an important piece of legislation that will create over {some large number} new jobs for {your state}. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act will rebuild our schools, our roads, and invest in economic infrastructure around our state.
I will remain vigilant in monitoring the use of taxpayer money to make sure it is invested to create jobs, help middle class families who are struggling, and help rebuild our roads, bridges, and schools.
This legislation requires transparency to ensure that the funds are used as effectively as possible. As part of this bill, all announcements of contract and grant competitions and awards, and formula grant allocations must be posted on a special website created by the President. The website must also include the names of agency personnel to contact with concerns about infrastructure projects.
While this legislation is not perfect, it will invest in getting our economy moving. It is the necessary and right step toward stabilizing our economy and creating millions of jobs for Americans sitting around the kitchen table worried about how they will make it through this economic crisis. Perhaps just as important, it is the down payment on rebuilding the American Dream.
On February 17, 2009, H.R. 1 was signed into law. Please know that I will continue to work in Congress to help {your state} during this difficult economic time.
I encourage you to continue to contact me about the issues that are important to you. Please feel free to visit my website where you can share your ideas with me, learn about the services I can provide to you, and sign up for my periodic e-mail updates on what I am doing to help {your state}.

279 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:56:46am

re: #257 Erik The Red

The poorest of the poor in the USA and Europe have no FUCKING IDEA.
The poorest of the poor in the USA and Europe have at least one fucking television. No, they have no idea.

280 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:56:55am

re: #255 quickjustice

Jesus of Nazareth, a First Century Jewish rabbi, is way, way better than Obama!

* * * *
Joseph the Plumber, a twenty first century American, is way way better than Obama.

(At least Joe the Plumber had Obama's game plan figured out)

281 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:57:15am

re: #258 Clemente

Well at least they are trying to preserve young livers. Dying of the drink is tragic.

BBL.

282 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:57:23am

re: #275 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Get ready to party ...


in Pennsylvania, Sen. Arlen Specter was jeered by angry constituents at a press conference.

All right!

283 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:57:31am

re: #272 Bloodnok

John Lennon got pilloried for pointing out just such a fact.

See my 251 and 276.

284 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:57:40am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Al Gore to get a fatwa?
Cleric: Biofuel may be sinful for Muslims

The sell OIL to the rest of the world! No shit that bio-fuels would be sinful.

285 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:57:59am

re: #168 VioletTiger

You know were in deep doodoo when Clinton is giving advice on the economy.

clinton looks almost like a patriot compared to O.
i never got the feeling he was actively trying to destroy america,

286 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:58:20am

re: #270 Erik The Red

Redistribution my ass. I sweat and bleed for my family. And 22 others who don't give a shit half the time because we can not fire them.

Yes Lizards I have had a SHIT day today. Sorry to rant.


The Hoopster slides a glass of fine scotch..neat..over to Erik.

287 fish  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:58:24am

re: #239 redstateredneck

And then take it back to Bartertown.

2 men enter one man leaves!

288 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:58:31am

re: #241 Pawn of the Oppressor

I guess we should declare once and for all that the British WANT to be destroyed from within.

Sorry - but you're wrong.
The NuLab government has shown and is showing the same disregard for our country which you have spotted being shown by PB0.
Its a leftist, moonbat thing - and in the same way as you'd be very upset if I would ascribe moonbat attitudes to you, in one fell swoop, because PB0 is now your president, so I'm upset when you speak of 'The British' like that.

Also - same as in your country, the MFM here have been in the tank for NuLab, for the last ten years. They have not and are still not reporting how ordinary people feel. You can get an impression if you look at some of the comments on the Beeb, for example - which are very ehavily moderated.
Change is coming here - and the next government will work very ahrd to get rid of all we all have been complaining about, from your side of the Big Pond as well as here.

So obituaries for the demise of Great Britain are a bit premature.

289 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:58:35am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Al Gore to get a fatwa?
Cleric: Biofuel may be sinful for Muslims

This proves these clerics are uneducated ignoramuses. Notice anything funny about the word "alcohol"? It's from the Arabic "al-kuhl". Medieval Arab alchemists developed the process of distillation and used it to produce perfumes & medicines. Using alcohol is not banned, only drinking it is.

290 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:58:38am

re: #279 redstateredneck

The poorest of the poor in the USA and Europe have no FUCKING IDEA.
The poorest of the poor in the USA and Europe have at least one fucking television. No, they have no idea.

What 42 inch or bigger?

291 Barry the Baptist  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:58:49am

re: #282 J.D.

Tar and feathers anyone?

292 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:58:50am

For those of you who fell for the Atlantis hoax that's making the rounds today....
Hopes dashed as Google Ocean image of 'lost city of Atlantis' proves to be nothing of the sort

There were just two problems.

First, the grid of streets, walls and ancient buildings turned out to be the size of Wales.

Even given the supposedly advanced technology, that meant Altantis was 20 times the size of Greater London.

And second, the grid of lines doesn't actually exist on the sea floor.

According to Google, the pattern is an "artifact" of its map making process.

Details for the ocean maps on Google Earth come from sonar measurements of the sea floor recorded by boats - and the area around the Canaries was mapped by boats travelling in a series of straight lines.

293 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:58:52am

re: #285 nyc redneck

clinton looks almost like a patriot compared to O.
i never got the feeling he was actively trying to destroy america,

You know, I kinda miss Bubba now.

294 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:58:53am

re: #266 capitalist piglet

Jesus used to win this poll.

Mother Teresa got bumped from #5 to #10, too.

295 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:59:03am

re: #282 J.D.

I think he'll get the hint.

296 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:59:04am

re: #261 Amer-I-Can

I just makes you want to cry... or punch a liberal, whichever comes first...

Better yet, punch a liberal and make him cry!

297 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:59:18am

re: #275 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

That's an excellent post. This is my favorite part:

Progressives love to describe everyone opposed to wealth redistribution as "greedy," but the truth is that socialism itself is founded primarily on greed: the idea that one man can get something for free by using the power of the government to take it away from someone else. Socialism becomes totalitarianism when the haves have been sucked dry, and yet the have-nots are still restless. At that point, the state must resort to false propaganda and violence in order to keep the restless masses under control. We have seen the pattern over and over again, and we don't want it here in America, period.

298 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:59:43am

re: #270 Erik The Red
{Eric}
Hang in there. All is not lost.

299 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 10:59:58am

re: #286 HoosierHoops

The Hoopster slides a glass of fine scotch..neat..over to Erik.

{Man hug} greatly appreciated.

300 MPH  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:00:20am

Is the person behind this deranged or pure evil? I wish I knew...

301 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:00:27am

re: #278 Killer Tomato

Oh goody!
I got an email from my congressional crapweasel!

As a public service to all of you, I've removed references to my state, allowing you to fill in the name of yours. This way, if you are not the fortunate recipient of personal correspondence from your elected official, you can be the first on your block to pretend you are.

I got something like that from Kennedy, after I emailed saying he should vote against it because of the health care cost effectiveness provision. That provision could destroy the biotech industry in Mass.
I got back email saying how important it was to pass.
Asshole.

(I can feel sorry for him as a human with brain cancer, but I wish he'd just retire. Oh well, this is Moonbattachusetts; we'll get someone else as leftist.)

302 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:00:39am

Gotta run. BBL.

303 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:01:03am

re: #300 MPH

Is the person behind this deranged or pure evil? I wish I knew...

I'm guessing stuck on stupid.

304 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:01:04am

re: #285 nyc redneck

clinton looks almost like a patriot compared to O.
i never got the feeling he was actively trying to destroy america,

* * * *
You're right, Clinton was asleep or taking a blow job while he LET Al Qaeda plot to destroy America. What a patriot that Clinton was, taking a blow job for America, while Al Qaeda lap danced all around Clinton.

305 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:01:07am

re: #265 NYCHardhat

The poorest of the poor in the USA and Europe have no FUCKING IDEA.

Effing-A Cotton, effing-A

*Dodgeball reference turned off*

Barack Obama is Wight Goodman and his inner circle are the Purple Cobras.

306 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:01:18am

re: #296 Kenneth

Better yet, punch a liberal and make him cry!

No calls for violence, please.

It will come naturally by itself.

A riot is an UGLY TING---and I think it is about time that we had one!

-Inspector Kemp--"Young Frankenstein"

307 kansas  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:01:25am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

Chicago Sun-Times:
Obama beats out Jesus as America's hero

[Link: www.google.com...]

308 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:01:29am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

*barf*
Awww! Waste of a perfectly good lunch.

309 astronmr20  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:01:32am

re: #98 taxfreekiller

Collin County Texas

One of the richest counties in Texas
Plano Texas in Collin County.

Plano Independent School Dist. one of the (former richest school dist in Texas).

10 years of illegal immigrates moving into the school dist.

Result:

$17,000,000.00 negative budget,
School dist thinks it can not raise the taxes in this down economy,,

so,,,,

they announce tonight,

double the class room load from the current 14 students per class to 24 per class

The borders are open, Obama will open them more and "comprehensive immigration reform " more.

Not one person will talk about the illegals, the msm will not, the teachers unions will not, the ones they elect to the school board will not, but mean old mr facts and History will make a note,,,,,,,

Any where in the U.S.A. is next, is it your school that is next.?

It is your country current, for how long is the question.

The problem is, right now O can blame literally anything on "the economy." It will be a smokescreen for every bad policy he can come up with, as is of course with the trillion-dollar burnt offering we have laid at His holy feet.

310 nikis-knight  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:01:32am

Unsaid in the article is just how many of those students exposed to this program are "asian" students, usually meaning muslim in British PC parlance, who likely know all too well what the bombers motives are, for they could hear it if they went to the wrong mosque or listened closely to any of the arabic stations on the tele, but who rarely if ever hear a full-throated condemnation of such vile tactics, even in schools run by the white imperialist "oppressor" that is too busy genuflecting to its new Islamic overlords to state clearly that some actions will not be tolerated and cannot be justified. Ever.

311 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:01:34am

re: #299 Erik The Red

{Man hug} greatly appreciated.

It's cool..when you are done I'm pushing you into the swimming pool..
That's just the kind of guy I am.
/Ya gotta catch me Erik :)

312 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:09am

re: #289 Kenneth

This proves these clerics are uneducated ignoramuses. Notice anything funny about the word "alcohol"? It's from the Arabic "al-kuhl". Medieval Arab alchemists developed the process of distillation and used it to produce perfumes & medicines. Using alcohol is not banned, only drinking it is.

I'm pretty sure that wine drinking used to be permissible. The ban on drinking is relatively recent.

313 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:10am

"Who's afraid of the big wolf, big bad wolf..."

Image: cute-animals-02_20070430.jpg

314 fish  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:21am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

Chicago Sun-Times:
Obama beats out Jesus as America's hero

I am amazed that GWB made the top 5. And sickened that O beat Jesus.

315 Cognito  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:23am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Hmm... I wonder what could possibly influence a cleric in Saudi Arabia to ban alcohol-based ga$oline?

316 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:26am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

For those of you who fell for the Atlantis hoax that's making the rounds today....
Hopes dashed as Google Ocean image of 'lost city of Atlantis' proves to be nothing of the sort

I thought Atlantis just came back from the Pegasus galaxy.
/for those who don't watch Stargate Atlantis.

317 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:42am

Ha - more proof America is running fast to the left of socialist countries.

Saab in Sweden files for Bankruptcy - says "NO" to GM's request to ask for a government bailout.

Canada says "NO" to Bill Ayers, CU says - "Yeah cool".

318 NYCHardhat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:45am

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

Barack Obama is Wight Goodman and his inner circle are the Purple Cobras.

I love that movie.

319 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:46am

re: #306 calcajun

Youtube Video
320 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:51am

re: #298 VioletTiger

{Eric}
Hang in there. All is not lost.

Thanks I am good. I am back in the US by the end of May/June. Odds and ends here to finish up. The stress will get worse before it gets better. :)

321 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:56am

re: #285 nyc redneck

clinton looks almost like a patriot compared to O.
i never got the feeling he was actively trying to destroy america,

* * * *
Oh, New Yorker Redneck, Clinton was our president in Feb 1993 when Al Qaeda try to take down your New York World Trade Center towers during his first two months in office.

Remind me what Clinton did to "actively" stop Al Qaeda?

322 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:02:58am

re: #245 Dustyvet

I didn't get a unicorn, but there's another stray cat in my yeard looking for a handout.

323 kansas  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:03:14am

re: #309 astronmr20

The problem is, right now O can blame literally anything on "the economy." It will be a smokescreen for every bad policy he can come up with, as is of course with the trillion-dollar burnt offering we have laid at His holy feet.

Well not to be negative but I taught school in the 70's we had 30 plus morons in each class.

324 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:03:45am

re: #316 Kosh's Shadow

I thought Atlantis just came back from the Pegasus galaxy.
/for those who don't watch Stargate Atlantis.

Upding for the reference. :D

325 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:04:05am

re: #296 Kenneth

Better yet, punch a liberal and make him cry!

Better yet delay his welfare check by three days...


/s

326 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:04:47am

re: #311 HoosierHoops

It's cool..when you are done I'm pushing you into the swimming pool..
That's just the kind of guy I am.
/Ya gotta catch me Erik :)

ROTFLMAO got out about 20 minutes ago hair still wet.

327 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:06:13am

re: #301 Kosh's Shadow

You suggested he vote against it?! Wow - you're pushy.
;-)
I just asked mine to read the damn thing before he voted on it.

328 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:06:17am

re: #326 Erik The Red

ROTFLMAO got out about 20 minutes ago hair still wet.

Where are you moving in the states upon return?

329 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:06:47am

re: #246 capitalist piglet

That's just freaking scary.

330 Cathypop  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:07:19am

re: #322 VioletTiger

I didn't get a unicorn, but there's another stray cat in my yeard looking for a handout.


I'll take a feral cat over one of the O's unicorns

331 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:07:45am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure that wine drinking used to be permissible. The ban on drinking is relatively recent.

It has evolved into a ban on touching bottles of mouthwash.

332 KenJen  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:07:45am

re: #296 Kenneth

Better yet, punch a liberal and make him cry!

You dont even have to punch them. Just break a sapling in half and they bawl.

333 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:07:47am

re: #319 Kenneth

Who knew Frank Barrone could dance.

334 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:07:54am

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this stock market.

335 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:08:07am

re: #328 HoosierHoops

Where are you moving in the states upon return?

Orlando area. About 2 minutes north. I was born in Cleveland. I HATE SHOW. I would rather melt than freeze.

336 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:08:33am
337 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:08:40am

re: #329 Chicago Blonde

Gorgeous avatar!

338 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:08:56am

re: #335 Erik The Red

Orlando area. About 2 minutes north. I was born in Cleveland. I HATE SHOW. I would rather melt than freeze.

You're moving into the shadow of the Mouse?

339 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:09:01am

re: #335 Erik The Red

Orlando area. About 2 minutes north. I was born in Cleveland. I HATE SHOW. I would rather melt than freeze.


20
PIMF

340 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:09:15am

re: #321 alegrias

Oh, New Yorker Redneck, Clinton was our president in Feb 1993 when Al Qaeda try to take down your New York World Trade Center towers during his first two months in office.

Remind me what Clinton did to "actively" stop Al Qaeda?

That's one thing that has me worried. Clinton was tested a little over a month after he was innagurated. It's been almost the same amount of time for Obama. Of course, they waited over eight months to test GW Bush.

341 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:09:24am

re: #317 FrogMarch

Ha - more proof America is running fast to the left of socialist countries.

Saab in Sweden files for Bankruptcy - says "NO" to GM's request to ask for a government bailout.

Canada says "NO" to Bill Ayers, CU says - "Yeah cool".

Hello world! This is what capitalism is not.

342 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:09:24am

re: #330 Cathypop

I'll take a feral cat over one of the O's unicorns


They always seem to know the house where the person most likely to feed them resides.......

343 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:09:33am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

Actually, the ban came & went. For some the ban is not against drinking, only against drunkenness. So a glass or 2 is ok...

BTW, the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia was well known for his love of Johnny Walker, Blue Label of course.

344 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:09:50am

re: #338 calcajun

You're moving into the shadow of the Mouse?

Minny and the Mermaid.

345 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:10:38am

re: #322 VioletTiger

Put a fish in your pocket and you're guaranteed to get a tingle running up your leg.

346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:10:49am

Did they teach them the little song?

Oh, I wish I were a Muslim Jihad bomber
That is what I'd truly like to be ee ee.
And if I were a Muslim Jihad bomber
Everyone would be afraid of me.

347 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:10:54am

Network is getting a little wacky..BBL lizards!
And don't forget to order the Lizard Cookbook

348 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:10:57am

re: #315 Cognito

Hmm... I wonder what could possibly influence a cleric in Saudi Arabia to ban alcohol-based ga$oline?

re: #289 Kenneth

This proves these clerics are uneducated ignoramuses. Notice anything funny about the word "alcohol"? It's from the Arabic "al-kuhl". Medieval Arab alchemists developed the process of distillation and used it to produce perfumes & medicines. Using alcohol is not banned, only drinking it is.

349 nikis-knight  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:11:03am

And after this class they can try to understand why mother Earth hates people and we should all just die off anyway to save to poor polar bears.

350 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:11:31am

re: #337 MandyManners

Thank you! I'm a sucker for flowers.

351 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:11:57am

re: #344 Erik The Red

Minny and the Mermaid.

It's a company town ruled rule by a ruthless rodent that would make Montgomery Burns look like George Bailey.

352 brookly red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:11:59am

re: #340 Honorary Yooper

That's one thing that has me worried. Clinton was tested a little over a month after he was innagurated. It's been almost the same amount of time for Obama. Of course, they waited over eight months to test GW Bush.

Why rock the boat when you are getting everything you want?

353 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:12:04am

re: #342 VioletTiger

They always seem to know the house where the person most likely to feed them resides.......

Cats also have the grace BHO can only dream about.

354 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:12:06am

re: #342 VioletTiger

They always seem to know the house where the person most likely to feed them resides.......

If he looks anything like this one, for God's sake feed it, while you still have an arm...:)


Image: funny%2Banimals1.jpg

355 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:12:14am

re: #334 TheMatrix31

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this stock market.


Tears in our beers tonight for sure.

356 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:12:19am
357 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:12:45am

re: #352 brookly red

Why rock the boat when you are getting everything you want?

Have they ever been patient enough to do so? I sincerely doubt it.

358 Cathypop  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:13:35am

re: #342 VioletTiger

They always seem to know the house where the person most likely to feed them resides.......


I'm that sucker that falls for the homeless animal

359 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:13:36am

"Five Guys Named Moe"

...no, it's not the latest plot uncovered.

Youtube Video
360 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:13:44am

re: #345 Kenneth

Put a fish in your pocket and you're guaranteed to get a tingle running up your leg.

I think I'll just open a can of tuna instead.

361 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:14:02am

re: #351 calcajun

It's a company town ruled rule by a ruthless rodent that would make Montgomery Burns look like George Bailey.

Bite your tongue! C. Montgomery Burn is a well known GOP benefactor! You're biting the hand that feeds us!

/kidding

362 Barry the Baptist  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:14:22am

re: #309 astronmr20

This is true. Plano ISD has student high school populations of 5000 plus all ready. The class sizes are probably all ready 24 and rising to the low to mid 30's.

I work in the next district over from them. We are smaller but I have 30+ in all of my classes (1/3+ are Hispanic). PISD is getting ready to start laying off employees after this school year and I am sure that our district might do the same.

363 Rancher  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:14:45am

Think like a suicide bomber. This sounds like a good idea. For law enforcement. What next, examine the feelings of the Columbine murderers and come up with a plan for your school?

364 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:14:45am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

re: #315 Cognito


Hmm... I wonder what could possibly influence a cleric in Saudi Arabia to ban alcohol-based ga$oline?

I think cog hit that nail on the head.

365 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:14:45am
366 Cygnus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:14:50am

re: #4 Spiny Norman

What next, an exercise on WWII "from the perspective of the Nazis"?

WTF?

They could do a unit on the Holocaust from the perspective of the Nazi guards! They could even build their own Lego Auchwitz and pretend to gas Jews. How wonderful and educational that would be!
// X 10,000

367 yesandno  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:14:56am

The exercise is part of a teaching pack aimed at secondary school pupils that has been adopted by the Department for Children, Schools and Families. It requires children to prepare a presentation on the July 7 atrocity – in which 52 innocent people died – “from the perspective of the bombers”.

They are asked to summarise the reasons why they thought the bombers wanted to carry out their attacks and even suggest some more.

Might be that this society, which apparently puts a lot of stock in being childlike rather then adult, is looking to 12 year olds to come up with solutions to problems they are either unable to solve or simply don't want to face. The young being the risk takers might actually come up with something.

That said, this has to be the most stupid idea I have seen since the stimulus package. As if suicide bombers are capable of rational thought...willing to die for a cause or another human is one thing....taking a whole bunch of innocents with you is murder...murder....murder...

Nothing heroic about it. And nothing justifies it.

/Glad I don't live there...

368 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:15:17am

re: #345 Kenneth

Put a fish in your pocket and you're guaranteed to get a tingle running up your leg.

I know someone whose ex put a fish in the trunk of his expensive imported sports car. That one tingled his nose before he found it.

369 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:15:34am

re: #350 Chicago Blonde

Thank you! I'm a sucker for flowers.

It is beautiful, CB...unfortunately, I've always been a sucker for knitting chickens.

370 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:16:19am

re: #368 Creeping Eruption

Pee-yoo... Sometimes, revenge is a dish best served two weeks old.

371 brookly red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:16:29am

re: #357 Honorary Yooper

Have they ever been patient enough to do so? I sincerely doubt it.

You may be right, but I think we are watching it... the pen is mightier than the bomb too.

372 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:16:43am

If you are a member of Face Book go join LGF Face Book Group.

If you are not a member of Face Book go join. It is safe and only the peeps you want to be friends with can see you.

373 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:16:51am

re: #340 Honorary Yooper

That's one thing that has me worried. Clinton was tested a little over a month after he was innagurated. It's been almost the same amount of time for Obama. Of course, they waited over eight months to test GW Bush.

I think they're waiting for the 0ne to read the da'wa letter.
I can just imagine it:

Barack Hussein Obama
President of the US

You have said that you consider the Islamic call to prayer one of the greatest sounds. You now have the chance to hear that sound more often.
You should know that Islam will rule the world. Return to your heritage and take the United States into the fold of Islam.
Those who refuse to convert should be taxed and given dhimmi status.
Let us know by having a muzzein make the call to prayer from the top of the Washington Monument Mosque.

Mahmoud Ahmaniejad

PS. We have several nuclear bombs, and if we do not hear the call to prayer by 5 PM Friday, we will set them off in several of your largest cities.

374 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:17:12am

re: #368 Creeping Eruption

I know someone whose ex put a fish in the trunk of his expensive imported sports car. That one tingled his nose before he found it.


Woo, that was mean. Must have been a heck of a split-up.

375 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:17:46am

re: #369 scottishbuzzsaw

Thank you! I love Chicken Run, it's a favorite!

I fell in love with Scotland when we visited it - so green and pretty.

376 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:17:50am

Next month's essay will be entitled "Hitler: A Misunderstood Philanthropist".

/

377 razorbacker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:18:03am

re: #214 fish

I was bound and determined that I would use cloth diapers for my children. "Save Money, help the environment" I thought. Bought a pack of cloth diapers and used one of them exactly once. It was disposables from that moment on.

The problem wasn't the cloth. The problem was the sheer impossiblity of immeadiately washing the used cloth clean. Hence the 'diaper pail'.

Now I've got a strong stomach. Not much makes me gag. But the thought of that pail makes my gorge rise even today.

*And no, my diapers did not stink. My diapers smelled of roses and fresh baked bread, thank you very much.*

378 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:18:55am

re: #288 yma o hyd

i meet a lot of brits, in the city on holiday. such great people.
charming, intelligent, informed.
they know what is going on. they will get their footing.
the tipping point is coming.
i think it is coming everywhere that we have this surge of primitive barbaric thinking.

379 nikis-knight  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:19:39am

re: #214 fish

I was bound and determined that I would use cloth diapers for my children. "Save Money, help the environment" I thought. Bought a pack of cloth diapers and used one of them exactly once. It was disposables from that moment on.

Different strokes. My wife is into cloth diapers, except for the unfortunate side effect that strangers think she's some sort of hippy.

380 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:20:02am

re: #374 VioletTiger

Woo, that was mean. Must have been a heck of a split-up.

I met him afterwards. Lets see . . . the only guy in the office to have a lock on his office door to prevent it from being ransacked . . .again, and as I understand it, the expensive car with the fish problem actually ended up in a large body of fresh water . . courtesy of the ex. I'd say it was a bit contentious in a "War of the Roses" kind of way.

381 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:21:11am
382 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:21:16am

.......or they could imagine the mind set of a people whose culture and economy are being disassembled by diversity, their standard of living being degraded by social justice, their very lives endangered by fanatical religious zealots that contribute nothing but hate to the world order.

/wake the fuck up!

383 NYCHardhat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:21:32am

re: #376 OldLineTexan

Next month's essay will be entitled "Hitler: A Misunderstood Philanthropist".

/

"McVeigh: A Cry for Help"

////

384 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:21:32am

re: #354 Dustyvet

If he looks anything like this one, for God's sake feed it, while you still have an arm...:)


[Link: 2.bp.blogspot.com...]

That's called 'cattitude'

385 Racer X  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:22:00am

re: #372 Erik The Red

If you are a member of Face Book go join LGF Face Book Group.

If you are not a member of Face Book go join. It is safe and only the peeps you want to be friends with can see you.

ANY member of facebook can see the posts. I just checked again. I now know several Lizards real names. I'm cool, but there are really bad people checking this site.

Use caution.

386 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:22:36am

re: #376 OldLineTexan

Next month's essay will be entitled "Hitler: A Misunderstood Philanthropist".

/

This month it was "Hitler: A Misunderstood Flatulist".

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:22:38am

re: #385 Racer X

S'what's keeping me away.

388 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:22:50am

re: #376 OldLineTexan

Next month's essay will be entitled "Hitler: A Misunderstood Philanthropist".

/

Franz Liebkind: Hitler... there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in ONE afternoon! TWO coats!

/S

389 brookly red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:22:51am

re: #378 nyc redneck

i meet a lot of brits, in the city on holiday. such great people.
charming, intelligent, informed.
they know what is going on. they will get their footing.
the tipping point is coming.
i think it is coming everywhere that we have this surge of primitive barbaric thinking.

Oooops, I first read that as preemptive barbaric thinking... need new glasses huh?

390 yesandno  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:23:02am

re: #214 fish

I was bound and determined that I would use cloth diapers for my children. "Save Money, help the environment" I thought. Bought a pack of cloth diapers and used one of them exactly once. It was disposables from that moment on.

I could have written that comment...length of time as well!

Not one instance of diaper rash and I ended up with some great cleaning rags!

391 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:23:15am

re: #379 nikis-knight

Different strokes. My wife is into cloth diapers, except for the unfortunate side effect that strangers think she's some sort of hippy.

* * *
My grandmother was into horse manure--well-rotted horse manure--supposedly the BEST thing for gardening, back in the all-natural era.

Today's hippies and leftists pay hefty bucks for elephant poop the National Zoo sells as Zoo Doo!

Sometimes the real natural thing is the best.

392 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:23:25am
393 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:23:25am

re: #378 nyc redneck

i meet a lot of brits, in the city on holiday. such great people.
charming, intelligent, informed.
they know what is going on. they will get their footing.
the tipping point is coming.
i think it is coming everywhere that we have this surge of primitive barbaric thinking.

The question is: How brave will they be when they realize that taking a stand will get some of them killed? I pray that they have the strength to pay the price of freedom. I know that the Islamists will not back down without bloodshed, and I hope those who oppose them are prepared for that fact.

394 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:23:33am

But there is a silver lining to all this.

Islamic terror bombers are being understood.

So there is a hope for a final, despised being to be redeemed.

After Spring Break, students will present an interpretive dance with a George W. Bush Admiration theme.

/don't hold yer breath

395 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:24:03am

re: #385 Racer X

ANY member of facebook can see the posts. I just checked again. I now know several Lizards real names. I'm cool, but there are really bad people checking this site.

Use caution.

Holy shit. Charles really is a alien Lizard.
/

396 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:24:08am

re: #379 nikis-knight

Different strokes. My wife is into cloth diapers, except for the unfortunate side effect that strangers think she's some sort of hippy.

Sounds more kinky than hippy, but different strokes and all ...

//////

397 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:24:11am

re: #356 buzzsawmonkey

Did you ever know that you're my hero?
Do whatever you might like to me
Don't care if it's wrong, or if it's evil
If you break wind, it's my favorite thing...

Did you ever know that you're my hero?
I'd sell my own kid to watch you pee
I'd turn my own mother out to meet you
I'd die for a chance to kiss your ring

398 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:24:30am

re: #378 nyc redneck

i meet a lot of brits, in the city on holiday. such great people.
charming, intelligent, informed.
they know what is going on. they will get their footing.
the tipping point is coming.
i think it is coming everywhere that we have this surge of primitive barbaric thinking.

I think this surge is precipitated by LLL politicians, who are now seeing the fruits of their multi-culti attitude. They've tried to sweep all dissent - even in kindergarded - under the carpet, but people can only be fooled for a certain amount of time.
Here, they've started comparing their real lives with what they're being told by the politicians and the MFM - and they see that things don't add up.
The groundswell for a Tory govenrment is rising every day.
But don't expect to hear much from the TOries quite yet, the daily harrassemnt of Gord excluded.
They ahve learned the hard way that any of their proposals will be stolen by NuLab immediately and used for the benefit of Gord.
Still, they are 12 points ahead of Labour right now ...

399 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:24:49am
400 nikis-knight  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:24:56am

re: #391 alegrias

* * *
My grandmother was into horse manure--well-rotted horse manure--supposedly the BEST thing for gardening, back in the all-natural era.

Today's hippies and leftists pay hefty bucks for elephant poop the National Zoo sells as Zoo Doo!

Sometimes the real natural thing is the best.


Are you suggesting a convergence here, because right now we're just throwing the stuff out, and our little one is quite productive lately.

401 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:25:14am

re: #386 CyanSnowHawk

This month it was "Hitler: A Misunderstood Flatulist".

Next week... "Hitler: Shaping the Donut Industry."

402 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:25:40am

re: #393 Dark_Falcon

I really think they will be brave and strong enough. I just literally hope to G-d it never comes to that.

403 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:26:47am

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

Next week... "Hitler: Shaping the Donut Industry."

Roger De Bris: Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We are only seeing singing Hitlers.

404 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:26:52am

re: #385 Racer X

ANY member of facebook can see the posts. I just checked again. I now know several Lizards real names. I'm cool, but there are really bad people checking this site.

Use caution.

Mine is easy to work out. I have not outed myself but my first name is my nic. I have said nothing here that I feel I have to hide. I can understand if some peeps are not comfortable joining.

You can see the wall and names not the profiles.

405 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:26:54am
406 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:26:54am

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

OW! Walter, that was my nose water came out of!

407 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:27:20am

re: #369 scottishbuzzsaw

It is beautiful, CB...unfortunately, I've always been a sucker for knitting chickens.

:-D

408 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:27:28am

re: #368 Creeping Eruption

I know someone whose ex put a fish in the trunk of his expensive imported sports car. That one tingled his nose before he found it.

That's nothing. I knew a girl who threw Limburger down the AC vents of her ex's car. Foot Cheese + New Orleans in August=trashed car.

409 esch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:10am

re: #372 Erik The Red

If you are a member of Face Book go join LGF Face Book Group.

If you are not a member of Face Book go join. It is safe and only the peeps you want to be friends with can see you.

Went to sign up basically anon. Don't feel like reading the EULA. Maybe later.

Amusingly enough, part of the security code was
'Gelderland' LMAO

410 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:13am

re: #408 calcajun

That's chemical warfare! :)

411 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:17am

re: #406 Chicago Blonde

OW! Walter, that was my nose water came out of!

Er, glad to help?

412 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:19am

re: #408 calcajun

That's nothing. I knew a girl who threw Limburger down the AC vents of her ex's car. Foot Cheese + New Orleans in August=trashed car.

Ok- thats just downright mean.

413 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:27am

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

Holy shit. Charles really is a alien Lizard.
/

Hey Walter your name is out there already join the group.

414 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:34am
415 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #411 Walter L. Newton

The laugh was much appreciated, thank you.

416 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:53am

re: #403 Dustyvet

Roger De Bris: Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We are only seeing singing Hitlers.

Hitler on Ice!

Youtube Video
417 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:29:16am

re: #393 Dark_Falcon

The question is: How brave will they be when they realize that taking a stand will get some of them killed? I pray that they have the strength to pay the price of freedom. I know that the Islamists will not back down without bloodshed, and I hope those who oppose them are prepared for that fact.

Ahem.
Mainland Britain stood up against IRA bomb, for quite a number of years, as did the people in Northern Ireland.
If the government is actually on the side of the people, and isn't trying to re-make them into something according to their leftist ideas and ideologies, then people will not mind paying the price.

418 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:29:26am

re: #394 OldLineTexan

But there is a silver lining to all this.

Islamic terror bombers are being understood.

So there is a hope for a final, despised being to be redeemed.

After Spring Break, students will present an interpretive dance with a George W. Bush Admiration theme.

/don't hold yer breath

Oh, I'm sure they were merely trying to get to the bottom of that "age-old question":

Why do they hate us?
419 godfrey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:29:30am

Seriously, what is the point of this exercise? The author says this:

"We're looking at why people become extreme. Why do young people go out and do what the bombers did? Was it pressure from individuals they were hanging out with?

These are empirical questions about the bombers, you insufferable moron! There's plenty of evidence about why they did what they did. Just collect it and present it.

Hopefully, we'll encourage pupils to stay away from those individuals."

"Hopefully." Yes. The brainlessness of this word hopefully speaks volumes about the quality of educational "theory" pushed on UK school systems.

The education department withdrew the pack from the teachernet website yesterday.

But they wouldn't have done so had there not been an outcry. Thank God there are still functional brains in the UK. Let's hope they reproduce enough to keep the UK from falling into complete dhimmitude. I'm not holding my breath.

420 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:29:54am

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

Holy shit. Charles really is a alien Lizard.
/

Walter, you've Gorn where everyone has Gorn before.///

421 Cygnus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:30:25am

re: #383 NYCHardhat

"McVeigh: A Cry for Help"

////

"Emperor Nero: A True Performance Artist"

"The Inqusition: They Just Wanted to Combat Heresy in the Church"

ETC ETC....

422 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:30:44am

re: #413 Erik The Red

Hey Walter your name is out there already join the group.

Not interested. I have an account there, and I already get enough email from there, can't stand it. And the only damn reason i signed up is because someone who is like a sister to me, who dropped out of sight for a while, emailed me to join her group, and I wanted to answer her.

423 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:30:48am

re: #405 Iron Fist

That's a big reason why you won't see me there. I love going to the meetups and parties 'n shit, but I have some slight concern about just letting every whack-job on the internet know who I am. You may find this hard to believe, but some people out there really don't like me. I'm crushed.

Only if you accept someone as your friend can the see your profile and page. If you do not accept them they can only see your name.

424 J.D.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:31:10am

re: #405 Iron Fist

It happens to the best of us.

Charles can attest.

425 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:31:13am

re: #420 calcajun

Walter, you've Gorn where everyone has Gorn before.///

and Boldly as well...:)

426 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:31:27am

re: #412 Creeping Eruption

Ok- thats just downright mean.

Who do you think gave the idea? I'm such a stinker.

427 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:31:56am

re: #419 godfrey

419 godfrey 2/20/09 11:29:30 am reply quote


Seriously, what is the point of this exercise? The author says this:

"We're looking at why people become extreme. Why do young people go out and do what the bombers did? Was it pressure from individuals they were hanging out with?

Actually, they don't really want to find out what really motivates these people to become extremists. The answer is clear enough.

428 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:32:18am

re: #425 Dustyvet

I refuse to risk splitting an infinitive.

429 Rancher  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:32:34am

re: #365 Iron Fist

I've always suspected that al Qaeda expected the Democrats to attempt a coup immediately following 9-11. They didn't go that far, at least.

You need the military for a coup, something the left will never have.

430 razorbacker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:32:46am

Re: Facebook, MySpace, and the like.

I have a fairly common name. It's not John Smith, but it is common enough that I've never lived in a metro area of the United States without having at least two others listed in the books with 'my' name.

As a matter of fact, my MIL once called in semi-hysterics because she'd read in the paper that my wife and I were getting a divorce (Dude had not only my name, but was married to a woman with my wife's name).

So I'd hate to use my real name. It seems so unfair to have some innocent crystal-holding, mantra-chanting, long-haired dope smoker unfaired tarred with my incorrect world view.

431 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:33:04am

re: #321 alegrias

* * * *
Oh, New Yorker Redneck, Clinton was our president in Feb 1993 when Al Qaeda try to take down your New York World Trade Center towers during his first two months in office.

Remind me what Clinton did to "actively" stop Al Qaeda?

clinton just does not appear to be fueled w/ such anti-american hatred like O does. that is my point. by comparison to O, clinton looks far better, despite his dereliction of duty. given all the evidence and info abt. O, he seems to be hell bent on destroying our country. clinton made mistakes because he was a coward and a skirt chaser. O seems to be a sinister maniacal purpose driven man, out to "remake" this country. remake to me means destroy.

btw, i was downtown when the first attempt was made on the wtc and 6 people were killed. i noted he did not even show up to look at the damage.

432 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:33:06am

re: #419 godfrey

Hey Godfrey tell them. Your picture is a hat and we are friends. You know more about me than I do you.

433 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:33:38am

re: #420 calcajun

Walter, you've Gorn where everyone has Gorn before.///

Youtube Video
434 Racer X  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:33:55am

I find Facebook annoying as hell.

I have friends and family that don't take crap without announcing it on Facebook.

Ugh.

435 Cygnus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:34:22am

re: #425 Dustyvet

and Boldly as well...:)

Star Trek puns today? Well, you can go Sulu with that.

436 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:34:24am

re: #419 godfrey

These are empirical questions about the bombers, you insufferable moron! There's plenty of evidence about why they did what they did. Just collect it and present it.

It's in the Koran.

437 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:34:32am

re: #429 Rancher

And where are you Rancher on the LGF Face Book page? Go join.

438 abolitionist  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:35:15am

Found via JihadWatch: UK withdraws controversial terrorism lesson plan

By RAPHAEL G. SATTER – 15 hours ago

LONDON (AP) — Britain's government apologized Thursday for endorsing a lesson plan which asked students to think like suicide bombers.
[snip]

439 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:35:39am

re: #435 Cygnus

Star Trek puns today? Well, you can go Sulu with that.

Well, we can Checkov that list pretty quickly, can't we.

440 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:35:40am

re: #435 Cygnus

Star Trek puns today? Well, you can go Sulu with that.

"I canna do it Captain, I don't have enough power"


Scotty

441 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:35:44am
442 razorbacker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:35:45am

re: #405 Iron Fist

Fist, in what state do you live? Reason I ask, I was reading your post re: ammo and WallyWorld and was surprised to hear that supplies were low.

It's probably a feature of being within 45 miles of the home office, but I'm not seeing any problem with availability of any calibers that they have on the modular.

Price, now price is another subject.

443 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:36:10am

re: #435 Cygnus

Star Trek puns today? Well, you can go Sulu with that.

That was an enterprising answer.
I hope the flow of the thread doesn't get warped.

444 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:36:47am

re: #402 Chicago Blonde

I really think they will be brave and strong enough. I just literally hope to G-d it never comes to that.

re: #417 yma o hyd

Ahem.
Mainland Britain stood up against IRA bomb, for quite a number of years, as did the people in Northern Ireland.
If the government is actually on the side of the people, and isn't trying to re-make them into something according to their leftist ideas and ideologies, then people will not mind paying the price.

The people could prove able to stand up to the risks, but they first need to know what is at stake, and they are not being told that. Islamist terror tactics have also scared many who would speak out into silence. As I always point out: I don't want or advocate bloodshed. My fear is that the Islamists are numerous and resolute enough that it is likely unavoidable, at least at a low level.

445 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:36:59am

self dhimmification on a mass scale ...

jim jones had nothing on those crazy brits

446 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:37:01am

re: #439 calcajun

Well, we can Checkov that list pretty quickly, can't we.

Damn it Jim, I'm a Lizard not a Liberal...

McCoy

447 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:38:10am

re: #435 Cygnus

Oh c'mon guys, that's too much tribble for a Friday!

448 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:38:15am
449 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:38:16am

re: #443 Kosh's Shadow

That was an enterprising answer.
I hope the flow of the thread doesn't get warped.

There's a new thread posted. This one's dead, Jim.

450 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:39:20am

re: #448 buzzsawmonkey

It's Uhurable idea.

yes, but it's all we have to Spock a conversation.

451 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:39:38am

re: #449 Dark_Falcon

There's a new thread posted. This one's dead, Jim.

It just might Kilingon for a while...

452 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:39:56am

re: #440 Dustyvet

"I canna do it Captain, I don't have enough power"


Scotty

You rang? ;>)

453 razorbacker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:40:17am

re: #450 calcajun

yes, but it's all we have to Spock a conversation.

I can't believe that y'all would boldly go there.

454 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:41:33am

re: #453 razorbacker

I can't believe that y'all would boldly go there.

Where very Enterprising in that regard, or we can shuttle it later...

455 Cygnus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:41:43am

re: #255 quickjustice

Jesus of Nazareth, a First Century Jewish rabbi, is way, way better than Obama!

And if He does return in our time, He'll show Obama who's really #1!

456 Rancher  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:42:12am

re: #437 Erik The Red

And where are you Rancher on the LGF Face Book page? Go join.

I can barely find time to come here. Also, I've given out enough info in my comments that an amateur sleuth should be able to track me down, Face Book would only make it easier. Not that anyone would want to, I haven't even got the attention of LGF Watch, but you never know.

457 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:42:51am

re: #452 scottishbuzzsaw

I need to get back to work, I'll see you Lizards later.

Scottishbuzzsaw, on this Friday could you please have a glass of Balblair for me? That stuff is hard to find here and I love the taste of it, just love it.

458 fish  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:44:58am

re: #399 Iron Fist

Put in four blacksnakes and leave a smiley note telling them that you put four non-poisonous snakes and one poisonous snake in their car. That can be fun for weeks and weeks :-)

And I thought MY mind was twisted! Upding just because.

459 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:45:42am

re: #457 Chicago Blonde

I need to get back to work, I'll see you Lizards later.

Scottishbuzzsaw, on this Friday could you please have a glass of Balblair for me? That stuff is hard to find here and I love the taste of it, just love it.

I'd love to, CB, but I'm a Scottish-American with a bad temper, currently living in the Midwest...

460 The_Vig  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:45:48am

We should do something like that over here. You could have a class that puts themselves in the mind frame of Timothy McViegh, The Columbine shooters, the beltway sniper, Jeffry Dahmer, Jimmy Carter, etc....

There is nothing that screams Ethical Relativism like trying to understand the enemy.

I am not talking about knowing your enemy to defeat him, that is sound.

461 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:46:42am

re: #434 Racer X

I find Facebook annoying as hell.

I have friends and family that don't take crap without announcing it on Facebook.

Ugh.

I finally sent out a mass e-mail to family and friends telling them that I discard all facebook invitations - regardless who they came from.

462 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:48:58am

re: #459 scottishbuzzsaw

*blush* I'm sorry, my bad. Well, it's Friday! Slainte Mhath to us anyway!

/OK, now I really gotta get back to work...bye all

463 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:50:10am

re: #457 Chicago Blonde

I need to get back to work, I'll see you Lizards later.

Scottishbuzzsaw, on this Friday could you please have a glass of Balblair for me? That stuff is hard to find here and I love the taste of it, just love it.

Might I recommend some Strathisla---very very fine, but pricey. Speyburn is OK. I'm kinda partial to Auchentoshan --fairly mellow

464 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:50:32am
465 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:51:56am
466 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:54:17am

re: #463 calcajun

I'm kinda partial to Auchentoshan --fairly mellow

That was the first thing I thought of when you said lowland single-malt. Don't drink it myself, but have a bottle for my parents when they come over. Any others you would recommend?

467 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:55:35am

re: #465 Iron Fist

My mother taught me that one. Really :-)

God bless cool moms. Mine taught my brothers and me the dog shit in a flaming bag one. Talk about cover if you are busted!

468 NCusTranshumanist  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:05:09pm

Actually, there are people for whom it's a good thing to think like suicide bombers.

The good guys trying to catch them. Read your John Douglas. Getting into the monster's head is the way to stop him, even though you feel filthy later.

469 EE  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:12:08pm

This seems like a good way to grow suicide bomber jihadis, and to grow support for suicide bomber jihadis. That IS what they are trying to do, isn't it?

470 Pupdawg  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:22:27pm

re: #1 Chicken Kiev

Great nation, circling drain.

Rejoice, you do have front row seats to America's Event Horizon as we spiral faster and faster into the Black Hole of nothingness...not even the speed of light will extricate us from the blackness. What lies on the other side of total darkness? We will see.

471 GCPSteve  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:22:44pm

I just jumped on here and subsequently have not had time to read all of the previous posts, so forgive me if someone has (I'm sure) already said this but...........

THIS IS INSANE!

As Charles said "What could possibly go wrong?"

472 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:23:31pm

re: #33 nyc redneck

students should NOT be compelled to think like a terrorist.
this naturally implies learning to be sympathetic to them.
students should be taught that terrorists are evil barbarians and deserve no quarter.
the only people who should learn to think like a terrorist is perhaps law enforcement charged w/ taking these pos losers down.

Agreed.* To think like someone else is in a sense to come to love them, to be them. If not wholly, then in one carefully walled off corner of the mind.

It's terribly difficult to think like a madman, as Heath Ledger discovered. It's terribly difficult to be an undercover cop, and some go bad. The stress on spies is incredible. You have to compartmentalize like crazy to stay sane.

This kind of thinking is an occupational duty for a valiant few. To ask it of anyone else is to ask much too much. To ask it of children is insane and abusive. The psychologically easiest path for a child would be to just go the whole mile and not pretend. To think like a suicide bomber by feeling martyred and plotting vengeance against the whole world. Look for arson, assaults, assaults with knives, and so on, from a disturbingly large if numerically small fraction of the children given this instruction.

* As to the "no quarter", that's a mistake. He who never takes prisoners, never has anyone to interrogate and never wins over defectors, counterspies, or just quitters looking for a way out. Even if one cared nothing for public opinion, it would be bad policy to always play the deguello and hoist the black flag before beginning an attack---and to put to the sword all those who raised their hands at the end of the fight. "no quarter" is cruel, excessive, and counterproductive.

473 arromdee  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:31:24pm

I wonder what would happen if a student responded to this assignment by saying "I've been taught all my life that the West and Jews are evil and deserve to be killed, so I'm supporting the honor of our village by giving my life to kill some" or some similar reason which is unflattering to the terrorists.

474 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:31:40pm

re: #466 Creeping Eruption

That was the first thing I thought of when you said lowland single-malt. Don't drink it myself, but have a bottle for my parents when they come over. Any others you would recommend?

Not really. Those are the three I like the best. I am trying others, though.

475 anotherindyfilmguy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:32:26pm

Next on the curriculum:

"Suicide and why it's not just for individuals anymore..."
476 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:33:43pm

re: #474 calcajun

Thanks

477 Mauser  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:46:07pm

Just wait, in Sex Ed the boys will be asked to think like Rapists. And the girls like prostitutes.

478 godfrey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:54:40pm

re: #432 Erik The Red

Hola Erik.

Ok, my hat size is 7 1/4. Other than that, I'm fairly nondescript.

Sorry for remaining cryptic. I've had my credit card numbers lifted, so I'm pretty careful about what I put online.

479 Basho  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:59:23pm

"I'm a lonely loser who is so cowardly that not only do I attack civilians, but make sure I off myself in the process so that I don't have to actually face them, or defend myself from any type of prosecution. My hope is that a bunch of crazy, unimportant idiots treat me as a hero for this."

There. Done.

480 Haunted Man  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:01:09pm

I can just picture an enterprising student, after having done some research, returning to class and reporting, "Well who wouldn't want to go straight to paradise and sleep with 72 dark-eyed virgins?"

481 Da Coyote  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:19:46pm

Excellent training for what those students are going to have to do to their own govt sooner or later.

482 Walahi  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:40:25pm

Actually this story needs to be updated....

Thank G-d people, the pack is scrapped!

There is hope for us yet here in Blighty...

483 deWildcats  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:50:18pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

In today's Britain self-defense is illegal and men have been jailed for defending their wives from thugs.

Dark Falcon - I am so very sorry to hear that.
I am just learning about the fall of the British Empire - my prays are for your full recovery

484 eaglewingz08  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:21:51pm

Mindset of terrorist. Hate democracy, hate gays, hate liquor, hate women being equal or superior to men, hate having to work for living, hate not being able to beat wife in public, hate hollywood movies, hate gays, hate separation of mosque and state, hate sausages and pork being sold openly, hate girls not having cliterodectemies, hate kaffirs, hate kaffirs being more powerful than mullahs, hate that the Caliphate hasn't arrived yet, but MOST of all HATE JOOOOOOOS and anyone who helps or supports them.

485 Shanimal1918  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:45:41pm

Walk Like an Egyptian....

Think like a jihadist....

it's kinda catchy ;)

486 DoesNotMatter  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:12:49pm

Back then I was not big enough of an asshole to do this - and in the wrong country and all that - but today ?

Full on target analysis, bomb spread pattern, other incidents, maximum casaulity yields - the works*.

Someone asks a foolish question he gets an answer. And if I can swing it one that horrifies him while being perfectly factual.

*That or 100+ pages of variations of "Hurr durr I'm gonna get me virgins" and other associated ethnic and religious offense. It's a coin toss, really.

487 hurricane567  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:04:38am

"British Students Required to Think Like Suicide Bombers"

I can't drink beer
I can't chase women
I can't eat bacon
Why go on living?
POOF

488 bubbasbbq  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:19:44am

Bye Bye Britain. you were once great, now a shell of your former self. It is still not to late to turn it around but you won't.


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