Hillary Throws Human Rights Under the Bus

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Imagine if this had been said by a Bush administration official: Activists ‘shocked’ at Clinton stance on China rights.

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Amnesty International and a pro-Tibet group voiced shock Friday after US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton vowed not to let human rights concerns hinder cooperation with China.

Paying her first visit to Asia as the top US diplomat, Clinton said the United States would continue to press China on long-standing US concerns over human rights such as its rule over Tibet.

“But our pressing on those issues can’t interfere on the global economic crisis, the global climate change crisis and the security crisis,” Clinton told reporters in Seoul just before leaving for Beijing.

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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:17:40am

Ruling is different from running.

2 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:18:48am

No surprise from this direction.

3 solomonpanting  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:19:09am
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton vowed not to let human rights concerns hinder cooperation with China.

No wonder Carter dispises the Cleantons.

4 itellu3times  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:19:29am

Hillary brings new meaning to "tin ear".

Secretary of State for the Obamanation, perfectamundo.

5 Fast Eddie  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:19:48am

We better not make the Chinese mad or they'll stop buying our Treasury Bonds.

6 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:20:15am

"Crises" provide cover for whatever was really your agenda all along.

7 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:20:24am

re: #5 Fast Eddie

We better not make the Chinese mad or they'll stop buying our Treasury Bonds.

Pst, I think they already have.

8 kynna  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:20:32am

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ruling is different from running.

I agree. And her statement is ham-handed at best. Not one player in this administration seems ready for prime time. Ugh!

9 itellu3times  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:20:36am

re: #5 Fast Eddie

We better not make the Chinese mad or they'll stop buying our Treasury Bonds.

Yeah, but then we'd stop buying their fortune cookies.

10 Shug  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:21:05am

Johnny Chung, Charlie Trie and John Huang could not be reached for comment

11 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:21:14am

libs never put people first.
they seek power.
human beings are expendable.
no wonder the dali lama admires pres. bush.

12 vapig  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:22:10am

This isn't surprising considering the only thing that concerns libs is the curbing of human rights.

13 mikalm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:22:19am

Were we really expecting otherwise? If the U.S. can't stand up to Mexico's blatant disrespect for our territorial sovereignty, or Saudi Arabia's sponsorship of terrorism and its generally awful human-rights record, did we think that this economic and political powerhouse would be confronted about its treatment of the Tibetans and other religious and ethnic minorities?

/in a cynical mood this morning

14 Shug  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:22:27am

re: #11 nyc redneck

libs never put people first.
they seek power.
human beings are expendable.
no wonder the dali lama admires pres. bush.

1000000000000 updings

15 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:22:33am

Shovel load.
oh wait- wrong subject. oh well - still works.

16 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:22:50am

Despite some hollow rhetoric Bush ignored it too...
Why has the Bush administration stopped fighting Beijing's human rights abuses?

....the Bush administration's March 11 decision to forgo a resolution condemning China at the U.N. Human Rights Commission. This was the first time since 1998, and only the second time since the Tiananmen crackdown in 1989, that a U.S. administration had gone to Geneva as a member of the commission and failed to take the Chinese to task.

Bush gives relations a boost

Sino-U.S. ties got a boost last Friday, when U.S. President George W. Bush announced he would support renewing China's normal trade relations status for another year. Congress will debate that this summer.

The status has to be renewed each year until China joins the WTO. APEC officials said this weekend that they favor that happening this year.

17 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:23:03am

re: #9 itellu3times

Yeah, but then we'd stop buying their fortune cookies.

Opening cookie...unfolding fortune...reading...

"YOUR MORALLY BANKRUPT, AND EMOTIONALLY EXHAUSTED"

/s

18 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:23:07am

Here's a good reason to make nice with China right now:

China Seeks Explanation Over Ship's Sinking
20 February 2009
BEIJING — China asked Russia on Thursday to explain how a Chinese cargo ship sank in Russian waters after reports that it was fired upon by the Russian military.

Seven Chinese sailors are missing after the New Star sank Saturday in stormy seas off Vladivostok after a Russian warship shot at least 500 rounds into it, the official China Daily newspaper said, quoting a Chinese-language paper, which in turn quoted Kommersant.

The New Star was held at the Russian port of Nakhodka earlier this month on suspicion of involvement in smuggling.

It left without permission last week, the China Daily said.

"China has made representations to the Russian side. We hope they continue with the search-and-rescue operations for the missing sailors and clarify the reason [for the incident] as soon as possible," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said at a news conference.

China said three Chinese crew members were rescued and seven are missing.

Kommersant reported Thursday that the ship's crew consisted of 10 Chinese nationals and six Indonesians, including the captain.

In video footage of the incident broadcast on Russian television, gunfire could be heard. Authorities said the ship was given adequate warning.

"The New Star captain was called by radio, border guard boats sent light signals, a special flag demanding to stop was raised and a warning shot was fired," Alexander Selentsov, a prosecutor in Nakhodka, told Interfax.

aboohoohoo has it linked up above....

and frankly, what do these "activists" want us to do about China? they bitched for years about the plight of women in Afghanistan. Bush sends in the military, and suddenly "activists" don't give a damn. Good for Hillary, and hopefully The Obamassiah won't step on his peepee by criticizing her.

19 Kragar  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:23:14am

Ah "Pragmatism"

/spit

20 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:23:23am

re: #14 Shug

1000000000000 updings

:D

21 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:23:44am

The Clinton's are masters and straddling semantic gymnastics.
Problem for them is, it's getting old.

22 LC HOGHEAD  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:24:07am

Id still rather have her theighness as Prez than Zer0.

23 Watcher  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:24:40am

It's called the "progressive" way of thinking.

24 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:24:48am

re: #21 FrogMarch

The Clinton's are masters and straddling semantic gymnastics.
Problem for them is, it's getting old.


And, as the Chinese can tell them, "old" has no place in gymnastics.

25 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:25:33am

The Clinton's have always had a suspicious relationship with the Chinese.

26 vapig  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:25:44am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Despite some hollow rhetoric Bush ignored it too...
Why has the Bush administration stopped fighting Beijing's human rights abuses?

We've been put in this position through our own folly of allowing China to buy up our debt rather than balancing our own budget. The stranglehold they have on us will only get tighter with the porkulous bill.

27 itellu3times  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:25:59am

re: #22 LC HOGHEAD

Id still rather have her theighness as Prez than Zer0.

I'd prefer a garden gnome to either of them.

28 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:26:44am

For Hillary, it's all about the simplest expedient; the efficiency of the grinding machine. Mere humanity is but an obstacle to her goal, which is Power.

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:26:55am

It's sad, but I am truly going to enjoy watching the Amnesty Internationals, Code Pinko's and the like going after the Obama administration.

They honestly did not understand how truly complicated our widdle pwanet is.

30 Ay, Caramba  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:27:13am

Nothing says Human Rights like forced abortions.

31 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:27:25am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

nobody else remembers Bush going to the Olympics? The Chinese screwed with Bush from day one at the UN...but still, off he went to visit his "good friends" in China for the Olympics.

shrug

32 esch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:27:36am

Didn't you know? Economic troubles trump human rights. It's a pattern for the Democrats. I'm only astounded that they're coming fully out into the open now:

Abortion: Euthanize those who will probably need public assistance. Before they're a PR problem.
Health care rationing: Euthanize those who are just too darned costly to keep alive.
Now tacit support of the ChiCom's (political) criminal=>organ donor program. We can't upset those who are financing the D spending spree.

Socialist radicals have always supported slaughtering the annoying and inconvenient. It's not a surprise they have no problem with what the ChiCom's are doing.

33 LC HOGHEAD  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:27:49am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's sad, but I am truly going to enjoy watching the Amnesty Internationals, Code Pinko's and the like going after the Obama administration.

They honestly did not understand how truly complicated our widdle pwanet is.

NOT gonna happen. They will look the other way. Always have.

34 yma o hyd  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:28:18am

From Charle's quote:

'“But our pressing on those issues can’t interfere on the global economic crisis, the global climate change crisis and the security crisis,” Clinton told reporters in Seoul just before leaving for Beijing.'

Looks to me as if Hillary, like all lefties, just cannot live if there isn't a crisis somewhere. And she's made out three!

Cripes - I'm soo frightened!

/

35 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:28:56am
China has greeted President Barack Obama's administration nervously, believing he would press Beijing harder on human rights and trade issues than former president George W. Bush.

Huh? Apparently, China hasn't been notified of our new "Kick-Me" foreign policy.

And regarding Tibet: "Ask not for whom the bus rolls...it rolls for thee..."

Thanks to our dear leader--and our Democrat Socialist Congress--we literally can't afford to take a stand on anything.

We're beggars now--does that make you happy, Mr. President? Is that your strategy for improving our image in the world?

/spit

36 vapig  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:28:59am

re: #18 funky chicken

Wow! So much for a united Russia/China front. Although in the spirit of cooperation they probably will just overlook it.

37 Raven1  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:29:28am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Funny, but Amnesty International and Code Pink never get worked up about what is going on regarding human rights in any of the muslim nations.

38 Kragar  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:29:28am

Of course they're not going to saying anything about the Chinese practices. They're biding their time until they can get away with setting up the same rules over here.

39 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:30:46am

re: #30 Ay, Caramba

Nothing says Human Rights like forced abortions.

Nothing says human rights like signing huge oil contracts with the regime in Khartoum, Sudan. Who cares if the oil is in the Southern part of the nation? The Khartoum guys already killed 2 million folks down there. It shouldn't take them all that long to finish the job.

//same as it ever was

40 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:30:51am

Looking into my alms cup...


Geeze, it's full of Chinese washers...:(

/s

41 Emperor Norton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:31:08am

The irony is that the bus that Hillary threw human rights under, and the bus that Obama throws his friends, relatives, and appointees under, were both made by Toyota.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:31:08am

re: #33 LC HOGHEAD

We'll have to just sit back and watch and see who's right.

(I am really hoping I'm right;)

43 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:31:10am

re: #10 Shug

Johnny Chung, Charlie Trie and John Huang could not be reached for comment


* * * *

Exactly! Likewise, the Clintons gladly took Chinese cash, encouraged the US to let cheating China into the World Trade Organization, and never cared what China or its North Korean puppet did to its own billions of people in gulags--either now or during the VIETNAM WAR.

Remember these 60s relics protested on our streets, FOR Communist China's right to kill Americans and Vietnamese.

44 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:31:11am

OT - some amazing music! Polovetsian Dances n' chorus n' singin'.

Youtube Video
45 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:31:20am

Human Rights anywhere are pretty much defunct if the financial situation doesn't improve.

46 jorline  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:32:09am
“But our pressing on those issues can’t interfere on the global economic crisis, the global climate change crisis and the security crisis,” Clinton told reporters in Seoul just before leaving for Beijing.

Hillary...we'll kiss their ass because we need them to continue buying our debt.

Good afternoon, Lizards.

47 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:32:42am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Other than promoting and encouraging capitalism to take root (which is better, but certainly not perfect) no administration has ever done much of anything in any country to push for improved human rights. The isolationists (Ron Paul folks) don't care, but plenty of people on both sides of the political spectrum feel that we, as the freest of nations, should push for human rights improvements, even if we get nothing out of it.

The point now is that during W, the political left took advantage and whacked him. Now, Hillary says this? Standard operating procedure for from the Clintons.

48 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:33:05am

re: #24 wrenchwench

And, as the Chinese can tell them, "old" has no place in gymnastics.

true!

49 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:33:17am

re: #30 Ay, Caramba

Nothing says Human Rights like forced abortions.

* * * *
Chinese "Planned Parenthood" means one for you if & when we say so.

50 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:33:46am

Democrats are essentially unprincipled.

The party of Machiavelli.

51 vapig  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:33:46am

re: #37 Raven1

Funny, but Amnesty International and Code Pink never get worked up about what is going on regarding human rights in any of the muslim nations.

It's that soft bigotry of low expectations. They truly believe the muslims just can't help themselves and must be excused. It's their culture, after all.

*spit*

52 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:33:48am

re: #31 funky chicken

Yeah, I don't think we are seeing anything new here.

53 jcm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:34:14am

Hillary has other problems too.....

North Korea accuses U.S. of war-mongering

North Korea kept up its tough rhetoric against the United States and South Korea on Saturday, accusing Washington of preparing for war on the Korean peninsula.

It also continued to target South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, calling him a traitor, a day after U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that ties with Pyongyang could not improve if it continued insulting South Korea.

54 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:34:17am

I now can see why even Slick Willy would choose anything else with a warm blooded pulse to cozy up to. Frigid...

/I could before this also... but who's counting.

55 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:34:43am

re: #49 alegrias

Chinese can have more than one child. They are taxed heavily for additional children which makes it more than unaffordable for most of the population.

56 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:34:43am

re: #32 esch

Didn't you know? Economic troubles trump human rights. It's a pattern for the Democrats. I'm only astounded that they're coming fully out into the open now:

Abortion: Euthanize those who will probably need public assistance. Before they're a PR problem.
Health care rationing: Euthanize those who are just too darned costly to keep alive.
Now tacit support of the ChiCom's (political) criminal=>organ donor program. We can't upset those who are financing the D spending spree.

For 6 of the last 8 years it was an R spending spree. The problem won't be fixed if it's only a problem when the other guy does it....

57 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:35:13am

re: #51 vapig

American Moonbat Arrogance.

58 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:35:19am

Execution Van, so much for Human Rights eh?


Image: chinese-execution-van.jpg

59 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:36:02am

re: #58 Dustyvet

Execution Van, so much for Human Rights eh?

[Link: www.timboucher.com...]

Is that legitimate? Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

60 Shug  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:36:08am

re: #55 ggt

Chinese can have more than one child. They are taxed heavily for additional children which makes it more than unaffordable for most of the population.

just the opposite of California

61 edge  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:36:15am

The Dems only care about human rights when the appearance of caring brings them political benefit.

62 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:36:30am

re: #53 jcm

Hillary has other problems too.....

North Korea accuses U.S. of war-mongering

LOL...You think Obama ever thought he would be accused of being a warmonger so soon?

63 Last Mohican  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:36:39am

For a supposed diplomat, she really didn't come up with a very diplomatic phrase to express her opinion on this matter.

Charles is right. If Condoleeza Rice had said that human rights can't interfere with economic issues. The entire media would be up in arms, hundreds would be demonstrating in the streets all over America, and the Kos Kids would be literally demanding to have her executed.

64 descolada9  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:36:46am

Well, so far the Obama administration has been making a total mess of foreign policy and the MSM refuses to call them on it. EU threatens a trade war, India tells OBama to shut the eff up, Indonesia doesn't want anythin to do with Hillary and Hillary tells political prisoners in China and Tibet to go hang. And this is only the tip of the iceberg! This admin is going to make Carter look good by the end of the day and I already want to cry after only a month of Barry in office.

65 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:36:53am

re: #56 funky chicken

I was just checking back on the history of China's admission to the WTO in 2001. The main disagreements were copyright protection and tariffs/subsidies. Human rights were not even on the table.

66 esch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:37:16am

re: #56 funky chicken

For 6 of the last 8 years it was an R spending spree. The problem won't be fixed if it's only a problem when the other guy does it....

Yes. 'Compassionate Conservatism' was a bad idea. One I opposed the entire time.

However, $4-500 billion budget deficits are nothing compared to what's coming now. They're planning on spending another 500 billion we don't have, next week alone.

67 vapig  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:37:18am

re: #53 jcm

Hillary has other problems too.....

North Korea accuses U.S. of war-mongering

Right - until she follows in Albright's shoes and brings the dude porn and dances the funky chicken with him.

68 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:37:35am

re: #59 Oh no...Sand People!

Is that legitimate? Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

Specially equipped “execution trucks,” produced in Nanjing, China by Iveco, Italy-based Fiat's trucking arm, should be used nationwide to execute criminals immediately after sentencing, the country’s highest court has recommended, according to a report by Agence France-Presse.


[Link: fleetowner.com...]

69 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:37:44am

re: #64 descolada9

Well, so far the Obama administration has been making a total mess of foreign policy and the MSM refuses to call them on it. EU threatens a trade war, India tells OBama to shut the eff up, Indonesia doesn't want anythin to do with Hillary and Hillary tells political prisoners in China and Tibet to go hang. And this is only the tip of the iceberg! This admin is going to make Carter look good by the end of the day and I already want to cry after only a month of Barry in office.

So well said and tragic at the same time...

70 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:37:46am

How much money did the Chinese give her husband?

71 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:39:24am

OMG. Chicago Tea Party

72 jcm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:39:28am

re: #68 Dustyvet

Specially equipped “execution trucks,” produced in Nanjing, China by Iveco, Italy-based Fiat's trucking arm, should be used nationwide to execute criminals immediately after sentencing, the country’s highest court has recommended, according to a report by Agence France-Presse.

[Link: fleetowner.com...]

What shooting them at the back door isn't good enough anymore?

73 Bloodnok  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:39:39am

re: #70 MandyManners

How much money did the Chinese give her husband?

Careful now, or they'll Hsu.

/

74 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:39:59am

Hillary, either you are honorable or you are not. Either you care about other people or you do not. On some things there is no middle, and you cannot always hide who you are.

Get around to the good side & let the chips fall where they may, that is what the USA is all about.

Otherwise you are dragging us all down.

75 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:40:09am

re: #68 Dustyvet

Specially equipped “execution trucks,” produced in Nanjing, China by Iveco, Italy-based Fiat's trucking arm, should be used nationwide to execute criminals immediately after sentencing, the country’s highest court has recommended, according to a report by Agence France-Presse.

[Link: fleetowner.com...]

Kee-ripes. Let me guess, they are now building a 'drive-thru' to all their courthouses.
/

76 esch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:40:31am

re: #72 jcm

Gotta execute them in a way you can immediately harvest all the viable organs.

I'm. Not. Kidding.

Niven foresaw this decades ago.

77 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:40:53am

re: #72 jcm

What shooting them at the back door isn't good enough anymore?

The magazine Beijing Today in March reported that the special trucks were equipped with technology to carry out executions by lethal injection, a drastic change from China's traditional method of firing a bullet into the back of the head. Seventeen intermediate courts in Yunnan province in the southwest have already purchased execution trucks.

According to Amnesty International, China executed more than 1,000 people last year but other groups suggested the actual number is much higher, perhaps as many as 3,000.

78 lincolntf  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:41:25am

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but the quid pro quo here seems pretty obvious. I will resist Manchurian Candidate references lest I go all tin-foil hat, but WTF? The millions (I will have to go find a reliable source for hard numbers) that the Clinton's rec'd from Chinese sources are well documented, right? Did she really sell out the United States' position as a champion for human dignity in exchange for "speaking fees"?
Now I remember why I used to think "anyone but Clinton".

79 Hengineer  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:41:35am

Since most of the Chinese uber-military technology was leaked during the Clinton administration, this should come as no surprise.

80 eon  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:42:15am

Under Carter, the U.S. made "Human Rights" the centerpiece of its foreign policy- but only to the extent of criticizing our allies' policies toward people who were determined to harm them; Israel re the PLO, Great Britain re the IRA, the Shah re the Islamists, and of course every ally we had facing a Marxist guerrilla campaign everywhere.

On the human rights records of people who didn't like us, anywhere, the Carterites were conspicuously silent until the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Their "reasoning" (and I use the term loosely) seems to have been that anyone who was being abused in a Marxist/Communist/Socialist /etc. country obviously didn't understand when they were well off, and so probably brought it down on themselves. (Rather like Bernie Sanders of Vermont's belief that "If people really understood Communism, they would beg to live under it." Ask the former WARPAC countries how they feel about that one, Bernie.) IOW, if you were thrown in Lubyanka by the Kah Gey Bey, you probably had it coming, in their estimation. (Don't forget, this was the same bunch who were determined to "cure" us of our "inordinate fear" of Communism.)

It looks like, once more, the new Obama Administration is determined to be Carter's second term. And I seriously doubt that SecState Clinton, with her long history of romantic attachment to left wing collectivism going back to the Alinsky days, has any problem with that.

I suspect we will next see a similar "policy" applied to radical Islamist countries. Just in the name of "fairness", of course.

cheers

eon

81 Kragar  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:42:21am

re: #77 Dustyvet

The magazine Beijing Today in March reported that the special trucks were equipped with technology to carry out executions by lethal injection, a drastic change from China's traditional method of firing a bullet into the back of the head. Seventeen intermediate courts in Yunnan province in the southwest have already purchased execution trucks.

According to Amnesty International, China executed more than 1,000 people last year but other groups suggested the actual number is much higher, perhaps as many as 3,000.

Woudn't lethal injection ruin the organs?

82 LionofDixon  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:42:22am

In other news, FDR today declared that he would not let Hitler's final solution for Jews, continued bombing of England, quest for world domination, and overall vileness stand in the way of American diplomacy. "My God, Man, we need those Volkswagons and beer, and I won't let petty grievances stand in the way" the President said as he sipped a a cold Beck's from his wheelchair.

83 obscured by clouds  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:43:00am
“But our pressing on those issues can’t interfere on the global economic crisis, the global climate change crisis and the security crisis,” Clinton told reporters

"Climate change." These people are such dolts. My head hurts.

84 Hengineer  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:43:07am

re: #80 eon

Under Carter, the U.S. made "Human Rights" the centerpiece of its foreign policy- but only to the extent of criticizing our allies' policies toward people who were determined to harm them; Israel re the PLO, Great Britain re the IRA, the Shah re the Islamists, and of course every ally we had facing a Marxist guerrilla campaign everywhere.

On the human rights records of people who didn't like us, anywhere, the Carterites were conspicuously silent until the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Their "reasoning" (and I use the term loosely) seems to have been that anyone who was being abused in a Marxist/Communist/Socialist /etc. country obviously didn't understand when they were well off, and so probably brought it down on themselves. (Rather like Bernie Sanders of Vermont's belief that "If people really understood Communism, they would beg to live under it." Ask the former WARPAC countries how they feel about that one, Bernie.) IOW, if you were thrown in Lubyanka by the Kah Gey Bey, you probably had it coming, in their estimation. (Don't forget, this was the same bunch who were determined to "cure" us of our "inordinate fear" of Communism.)

It looks like, once more, the new Obama Administration is determined to be Carter's second term. And I seriously doubt that SecState Clinton, with her long history of romantic attachment to left wing collectivism going back to the Alinsky days, has any problem with that.

I suspect we will next see a similar "policy" applied to radical Islamist countries. Just in the name of "fairness", of course.

cheers

eon

He should've read Natan Sharansky like Bush did

85 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:43:26am

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Woudn't lethal injection ruin the organs?

I would thinks so...but I'm not sure.

86 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:43:39am

re: #50 karmic_inquisitor

No, the party of someone else.

Machiavelli was a realist in terms of human nature and he laid out a program for governing human beings as they are, which would result in good government.


Whatever the Democrats are, they are not that.

87 Kragar  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:44:13am

re: #83 obscured by clouds

"Climate change." These people are such dolts. My head hurts.

Whenever you see "Climate Change" or "Global Warming" substitute in the word weather and you can see how insane these people really are.

88 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:44:16am

re: #31 funky chicken

nobody else remembers Bush going to the Olympics? The Chinese screwed with Bush from day one at the UN...but still, off he went to visit his "good friends" in China for the Olympics.

shrug

* * *
Ever since Nixon went to China in 1972, we have been buying gazillions of inexpensively made goods of all kinds made by Chinese. So in some ways, if you think about it, Chinese factory workers working for pennies have been very good to us. The computer you're using was probably made there, along with your shoes, clothes, some pharmaceuticals, childrens' toys, etc.

89 esch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:44:16am

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Woudn't lethal injection ruin the organs?

I think that's political cover. Knock them out with standard anesthetics and start cutting.

90 Steffan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:44:29am

re: #3 solomonpanting

No wonder Carter dispises the Cleantons.

Carter despises everybody.... except his best buds in Hamas and Hezbollah.

Obama and his gang are disillusioning all but his most moonbat supporters more than I thought possible in just four weeks. Any bets that he'll lose even the moonbats before summer?

91 Spiny Norman  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:45:29am

re: #53 jcm

Hillary has other problems too.....

North Korea accuses U.S. of war-mongering

The Hermit Kingdom seems to accuse everyone of "warmongering" at some point. Once they get around to accusing China, L'il Kim Jong Il will get squashed like a bug.

92 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:45:50am

re: #83 obscured by clouds

As if the climate has not always changed through time !

93 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:46:47am
94 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:46:55am

re: #88 alegrias

* * *
Ever since Nixon went to China in 1972, we have been buying gazillions of inexpensively made goods of all kinds made by Chinese. So in some ways, if you think about it, Chinese factory workers working for pennies have been very good to us. The computer you're using was probably made there, along with your shoes, clothes, some pharmaceuticals, childrens' toys, etc.

It seems like everything I see in the stores say "Made in China" on the package. It's hard to find "Made in USA" anymore.

95 jcm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:47:14am

re: #92 Ojoe

As if the climate has not always changed through time !

But the climate on June 8, 1993 at 1530 UTC was perfect and we've gone and spoiled it!
/////////////////

96 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:47:30am

re: #51 vapig

It's that soft bigotry of low expectations. They truly believe the muslims just can't help themselves and must be excused. It's their culture, after all.

*spit*

* * * *
That Buffalo, New Yorker who beheaded his wife was one of Hillary's constituents! Don't criticize his Diversity!

97 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:47:35am

re: #73 Bloodnok

Careful now, or they'll Hsu.

/

I didn't Ming to imply anything bad!

98 smokefire  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:47:48am

Chris Dodd, scaring the SH*T out of Banking Community, with this comment, yesterday

[Link: www.courant.com...]

99 Last Mohican  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:48:04am

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Woudn't lethal injection ruin the organs?

Not right away. It would stop the heart, but the organs would live on for some hours.

But seriously, are they really executing people and then harvesting their organs?

100 smokefire  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:48:31am

re: #90 Steffan

He does like fuzzy bunnies though............unless they are out to flip over his canoe

101 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:48:37am

re: #94 NJDhockeyfan

The coffee mug I got at scout camp last year (Camp Lassen) said made in China.

It's pretty bad ...

102 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #94 NJDhockeyfan

I think it's more "assembled" in China. Parts come from all over the world, including America.

103 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:48:43am
104 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:48:46am

Speaking of human rights: The Koskidz are struggling with Obama's Gitmo/Geneva Convention position.....
Obama Has Done Something Terrible

Take a scroll through the comments.

105 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #95 jcm

What special day is that?

106 Racer X  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #95 jcm

I'd bet money that some of those 500 million people who lost their jobs last month (Pelosi) could give a rats ass about Global Warming right about now.

107 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:49:33am

re: #55 ggt

Chinese can have more than one child. They are taxed heavily for additional children which makes it more than unaffordable for most of the population.

* * **
You're right, and if your only child is killed when the school roof collapses like they did on thousands of Chinese children last year, you can petition your Community Organizer for permission to have another child.

108 jcm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:49:53am

re: #103 jcm

Don't quote the dipsticks
*self applies Mandy's clueby4 to own head*

109 vapig  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:49:53am

re: #71 ggt

OMG. Chicago Tea Party

Pretty great! That's what we need - more outrage over the porkulous!

110 Ay, Caramba  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:49:54am

re: #99 Last Mohican

It used to be that you could go on a trip to China and wait around for an organ to become available. Lots of Americans on long donor waiting lists used to make that trip. Good prices.

111 pat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:49:58am

This is a surprise? She received over a million dollars in as yet untraced Chinese donations.

112 Kragar  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:50:15am

re: #99 Last Mohican

Not right away. It would stop the heart, but the organs would live on for some hours.

But seriously, are they really executing people and then harvesting their organs?

Only for a decade or so at the least

113 Spiny Norman  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:50:19am

re: #93 Ay, Caramba

I think you forgot the /sarc tag.

114 debutaunt  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:50:22am

re: #106 Racer X

I'd bet money that some of those 500 million people who lost their jobs last month (Pelosi) could give a rats ass about Global Warming right about now.

And she said that more than once!

115 jcm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:50:27am

re: #105 Ojoe

What special day is that?

Clinton / Gore was in office the climate was perfect!

116 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:50:33am

OT: Compare these two maps:

1) State-by-state foreclosure map
(Click the link above, then click the foreclosure tab.)

2) State=by-state 2008 electoral college result map

See any similarities?
;)

117 Racer X  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:50:34am

re: #98 smokefire

Chris Dodd, scaring the SH*T out of Banking Community, with this comment, yesterday

[Link: www.courant.com...]

Fuck.

And these morons have the balls to criticize Paulson.

118 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:50:39am

re: #56 funky chicken

For 6 of the last 8 years it was an R spending spree. The problem won't be fixed if it's only a problem when the other guy does it....

* * * *
You must admit we "blew" a lot of the budget FIGHTING abroad & DEFENDING at home, the last 7 years.

119 Shug  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:51:13am

re: #85 Dustyvet

I would thinks so...but I'm not sure.

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Woudn't lethal injection ruin the organs?

no.
if they do it the same as in America the cocktain consists of a sedative,to put the "patient" to sleep, a muscle relaxer so the witness can't see any gasping, etc, and a dose of potassium chloride which causes a lethal cardiac arrhythmia.

so they can still sell kidneys to oil sheikhs and russian mobsters

120 eon  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:51:20am

re: #90 Steffan

Carter despises everybody.... except his best buds in Hamas and Hezbollah.

Obama and his gang are disillusioning all but his most moonbat supporters more than I thought possible in just four weeks. Any bets that he'll lose even the moonbats before summer?

If they actually criticized a Communist country, that would disillusion the tinfoil-hat crowd. Rational people often forget that before the moonbats became obsessed with being anti-Israel, they were equally obsessed with "McCarthyism". Criticizing a Communist state= criticizing an Islamist one= morally wrong either way, in moonbat "reasoning".

If anything, this will probably make the Obamatrons more popular with their "base".

Have to run. Later, Lizards.

cheers

eon

121 Spiny Norman  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:51:55am

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Speaking of human rights: The Koskidz are struggling with Obama's Gitmo/Geneva Convention position.....
Obama Has Done Something Terrible

Take a scroll through the comments.

Cognitive Dissonance in action?

122 Ay, Caramba  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:52:06am

re: #103 jcm

Wow, take it easy there cowboy. No need for insults. You sound like one of those Kos kids.

123 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:52:29am

Any comment from self-styled "human rights" activist and former President Jimmy Carter?

This is Change™ isn't it?

124 Racer X  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:52:40am

re: #110 Ay, Caramba

Sick bastard.

125 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:52:57am

re: #60 Shug

just the opposite of California

* * * *
Silly Shug, 14 embryos and IVF treatments are FREE in California. In California, taxpayers GIVE you your children & the means to incubate & raise them.

126 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:53:08am

re: #121 Spiny Norman

Have they said anything about his decision on the Afgan POW's?

127 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:53:32am

re: #108 jcm

Don't quote the dipsticks
*self applies Mandy's clueby4 to own head*

Y'all be careful with that thing...it's loaded...:)

128 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:53:38am

re: #125 alegrias

* * * *
Silly Shug, 14 embryos and IVF treatments are FREE in California. In California, taxpayers GIVE you your children & the means to incubate & raise them.

No....surely not....

129 smokefire  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:53:39am

re: #117 Racer X

Fuck.

And these morons have the balls to criticize Paulson.

....................he was in Bush administration.
Once again BDS strikes.

But OIS is alive and well, and no one reports it.
[that is Obama Ineptitude Syndrome]

130 katemaclaren  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:53:41am

re: #88 alegrias

* * *
Ever since Nixon went to China in 1972, we have been buying gazillions of inexpensively made goods of all kinds made by Chinese. So in some ways, if you think about it, Chinese factory workers working for pennies have been very good to us. The computer you're using was probably made there, along with your shoes, clothes, some pharmaceuticals, childrens' toys, etc.

Geez. I have a MAC--I sure hope it wasn't made in China. When I was a kid (the earth's crust was still cooling..), there used to be a lot of interesting stuff made in Japan (Nippon--silly me?!)...like these little porcelain incense burners with dragons painted on them and raised globules of gold paint of some sort. I had absolutely NO idea what an incense burner was but I liked this stuff! However, when I saved up my money and bought my mother one for Christmas, she put it away forever after thanking me. I asked her about it long afterwards--and she told me. Her brother (the uncle I never knew) was killed fighting the Japanese in the Pacific. Ooops.

131 Bob Dillon  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:53:46am

OT

LGF Cookbook just arrived. Special Kitchen Stimulus Edition ...

Howl!

Blatant plug for it.

132 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:53:59am

Meanwhile, CiJ over at Israel Matzav has a great post revealing more of BO's diplomatic backflips regarding Israel.

So far, the Obama administration has green-lit a Hamas Palestinian government and joined in the Durban II planning with no sign of changing the course of the document.

133 pink freud  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:54:21am

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Speaking of human rights: The Koskidz are struggling with Obama's Gitmo/Geneva Convention position.....
Obama Has Done Something Terrible

Take a scroll through the comments.

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

134 katemaclaren  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:54:29am

re: #93 Ay, Caramba

I believe the Chinese stopped harvesting organs from executed prisoners due to world outcry. Too bad, those are some good parts going to waste.

Ayyyeee Caramba! That was a little sci-fi, Hannibal Lector, don't you think?

135 Spiny Norman  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:54:35am

re: #98 smokefire

Chris Dodd, scaring the SH*T out of Banking Community, with this comment, yesterday

[Link: www.courant.com...]

Just taking a page outta Chucky Schumer's playbook...

136 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:54:52am

Oh, I see Peanut Jimmy's name has already been invoked earlier.

137 katemaclaren  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:55:09am

re: #131 Bobibutu

OT

LGF Cookbook just arrived. Special Kitchen Stimulus Edition ...

Howl!

Blatant plug for it.

Is this real? I just thought it was a gag!

138 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:55:47am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I was just checking back on the history of China's admission to the WTO in 2001. The main disagreements were copyright protection and tariffs/subsidies. Human rights were not even on the table.

* * * *
The Chinese have cheated on every provision! Who knows how much of "our" economical meltdown is due to their manipulating their currency for so long.

On the other hand, it's good China will have to spend more of their own money to feed & clothe all their unemployed billions, instead of undercutting our manufacturers. Maybe Americans can manufacture & sell products again, if China isn't cheating & undercutting.

139 Steffan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:56:26am

re: #93 Ay, Caramba

Sorry, no. They're still doing it.

They don't give a shit about gwai lo (foreign devil) world outcry.

140 Racer X  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:56:34am

re: #129 smokefire

You really wanna get an idea on who the left blames for this crisis?

Watch this.

141 Spiny Norman  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:56:51am

re: #126 ggt

re: #121 Spiny Norman Have they said anything about his decision on the Afgan POW's?

Don't know. Killgore's the one wading through that fetid swamp.

:^þ

142 Ay, Caramba  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:56:53am

re: #134 katemaclaren

The documentary was pretty disturbing. Everyone interviewed had no guilty feeling about how the Chinese were acquiring the organs. You just wait in the nice hotel room and maybe do a little sight seeing until they call.

143 smokefire  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:57:54am

re: #132 Joo-LiZ

JOO, and this surprises you.
All the members of his cabinet, his hangers on, his former minister.
HELLO, He is what he is, a closet Anti-Semite. And will come out of the closet more as time goes on.

I hope all the American Jews, who voted for this man, are fucking happy now.

144 Spiny Norman  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:57:57am

re: #142 Ay, Caramba

The documentary was pretty disturbing. Everyone interviewed had no guilty feeling about how the Chinese were acquiring the organs. You just wait in the nice hotel room and maybe do a little sight seeing until they call.

Desperation has its own morals.

145 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:58:28am

re: #98 smokefire

Chris Dodd, scaring the SH*T out of Banking Community, with this comment, yesterday

[Link: www.courant.com...]


Stocks Bounce Sharply Higher On White House Comments About Banks - U.S. Commentary

(RTTNews) - Stocks have shown a substantial move to the upside in recent trading on Friday, with the major averages moving well off their worst levels of the day. The rebound was partly due to comments from the White House easing concerns about the outlook for the financial sector.

Asked about speculation that the Obama administration may seek to nationalize Citigroup (C) and Bank of America (BAC), White House press secretary Robert Gibbs noted that the president strongly believes that "a privately held banking system is the correct way to go."

Banking stocks have shown an astonishing turnaround following Gibbs' comments as well as reports that Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner will provide some details on the administration's financial rescue plan next week. ...

146 Racer X  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:58:50am

re: #143 smokefire

I hope all the Americans, who voted for this man, are fucking happy now.

fixed.

147 Spiny Norman  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:59:17am

re: #140 Racer X

You really wanna get an idea on who the left blames for this crisis?

Watch this.

Democrat propaganda on PBS, who'dda thunk it?

148 esch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:59:26am

re: #144 Spiny Norman

Desperation has its own morals.

No. It does not.

I am very sick and would go willingly to my grave than see an innocent person slaughtered to give me another few years of life.

149 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:59:59am

re: #146 Racer X

fixed.

I personally know of one who has been oh-so-surprised.
Duh.

150 NelsFree  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:00:33pm

re: #68 Dustyvet

Specially equipped “execution trucks,” produced in Nanjing, China by Iveco, Italy-based Fiat's trucking arm, should be used nationwide to execute criminals immediately after sentencing, the country’s highest court has recommended, according to a report by Agence France-Presse.


[Link: fleetowner.com...]


That is beyond scary.

151 smokefire  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:01:04pm

re: #146 Racer X

..........am calling out the American Jews for falling for this bullsh*t coming out of his mouth.

But thank you anyway.

152 Racer X  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:01:26pm

re: #147 Spiny Norman

Democrat propaganda on PBS, who'dda thunk it?

Good thing I was watching that show on a new TV. Otherwise I would have put my beer through the screen. No mention of Franklin Raines or Jim Johnson or the CRA. They made Chris Dodd and Barney Frank look like heroes - not the inept assholes they really are.

153 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:01:33pm

re: #110 Ay, Caramba

It used to be that you could go on a trip to China and wait around for an organ to become available. Lots of Americans on long donor waiting lists used to make that trip. Good prices.

* * *
Too bad DC ex mayor Marion Barry got some American sucker to give him a healthy kidney yesterday, while 3600 Americans died last year waiting for a new kidney or organ.

I was hoping the good Lord would take Marion Barry "home", and get him off the taxpayers' backs, now that he finally paid his delinquent taxes. Mind you he's still on the DC payroll as a DC Council Member....

154 Ay, Caramba  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:02:46pm

re: #153 alegrias

I'm surprised he doesn't need a liver.

155 Racer X  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:03:17pm

re: #151 smokefire

Agreed - but it wasn't just the Jews.

There are a lot of Americans thinking "what the hell have we done?"

156 smokefire  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:03:30pm

re: #152 Racer X

Good thing I was watching that show on a new TV. Otherwise I would have put my beer through the screen. No mention of Franklin Raines or Jim Johnson or the CRA. They made Chris Dodd and Barney Frank look like heroes - not the inept assholes they really are.

.................As a resident of CT, Chris, the son has now surpassed the father in sleaziness, corruption and over all dirty politics

157 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:03:56pm

re: #154 Ay, Caramba

I'm surprised he doesn't need a liver.

That's next week I think...


///////////////////////////SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS////////////////////////////////

158 Spiny Norman  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:04:10pm

re: #145 J.D.

re: #98 smokefire

Chris Dodd, scaring the SH*T out of Banking Community, with this comment, yesterday

[Link: [Link: www.courant.com...]...]

Stocks Bounce Sharply Higher On White House Comments About Banks - U.S. Commentary

Stocks have shown a substantial move to the upside in recent trading on Friday, with the major averages moving well off their worst levels of the day. The rebound was partly due to comments from the White House easing concerns about the outlook for the financial sector.

Asked about speculation that the Obama administration may seek to nationalize Citigroup (C) and Bank of America (BAC), White House press secretary Robert Gibbs noted that the president strongly believes that "a privately held banking system is the correct way to go."

Everyday, Barry has a new "Oh f*ck, now what?" moment.

I think it would be easier to count the number of days he doesn't have to "clarify" something someone in Congress, or in his own Administration, said the day before.

159 Last Mohican  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:04:46pm

re: #143 smokefire

JOO, and this surprises you.
All the members of his cabinet, his hangers on, his former minister.
HELLO, He is what he is, a closet Anti-Semite. And will come out of the closet more as time goes on.

I hope all the American Jews, who voted for this man, are fucking happy now.

I don't think I'd call BHO a closet Anti-Semite. He hasn't been particularly closeted about it. He spent his entire adult life bragging about his membership in an anti-Jewish hate group.

160 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:04:58pm

OT: Glenn Beck is an idiot.....
Glenn Beck scares Fox host into hiding under table

Beck's greatest fear -- which he suggests is shared by his friends in the military and the FBI -- is clearly not the prospect of widespread poverty, hunger, or homelessness. Rather, it appears to be thenotion that worldwide civil unrest could precipitate a civil war between what he calls the "bubbas" and the United States government.

Laying out a convoluted scenario, Beck suggested that the military is preparing for a situation where "something happens down on the border. You've got the rancher who is protecting his land, people are starting to come over ... there's a shot fired, it ignites things. ATF, FBI come in and arrest that rancher. How many people are going to say, 'Wait a minute. ... You people knew this was going on and you did nothing to protect us.'"

161 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:05:15pm

re: #128 J.D.

No....surely not....

* * * *
Yes, Californians paid for the hormone treatment & harvesting of this "Octomom's" eggs, the insemination with her sperm donor's 14 "doses", the incubation of the embryos until the blastocyst stage, the implantation of 14 embryos, the scary pregnancy, the birth, now the millions of dollars in neonatal intensive care, plus the medical disability for nearly 25% of her test-tube babies.

162 smokefire  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:05:31pm

re: #155 Racer X

agreed, but for them to support him after everything that has come out about his history, is really sad. But you are correct. People are now getting the hangover of a lifetime.

163 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:06:27pm

re: #133 pink freud

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

Reality is peeking through...that's gotta hurt.

Heh.

164 Spiny Norman  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:07:05pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

OT: Glenn Beck is an idiot.....
Glenn Beck scares Fox host into hiding under table

Hasn't he always been part of the "black helicopter" CT crowd?

165 smokefire  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:07:08pm

re: #159 Last Mohican

point taken. Was just trying to be fair and balanced

166 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:07:41pm

re: #130 katemaclaren

Geez. I have a MAC--I sure hope it wasn't made in China. When I was a kid (the earth's crust was still cooling..), there used to be a lot of interesting stuff made in Japan (Nippon--silly me?!)...like these little porcelain incense burners with dragons painted on them and raised globules of gold paint of some sort. I had absolutely NO idea what an incense burner was but I liked this stuff! However, when I saved up my money and bought my mother one for Christmas, she put it away forever after thanking me. I asked her about it long afterwards--and she told me. Her brother (the uncle I never knew) was killed fighting the Japanese in the Pacific. Ooops.

* * * *
You were so sweet & naive! Because of his Pearl Harbor/World War II memories, my father likewise took decades before he would consider buying a Japanese car. Forgiving and forgetting was hard.

167 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:07:49pm

re: #158 Spiny Norman

Everyday, Barry has a new "Oh f*ck, now what?" moment.

I think it would be easier to count the number of days he doesn't have to "clarify" something someone in Congress, or in his own Administration, said the day before.

No kiddin'.

It might have helped if he had ever really done anything...at all...of value...before he got there.

168 Last Mohican  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:08:03pm

re: #162 smokefire

agreed, but for them to support him after everything that has come out about his history, is really sad. But you are correct. People are now getting the hangover of a lifetime.

Do you think? I don't know, where I am, people are still wearing their Obama t-shirts every other day, buying their commemorative "yes we did" pen-and-pencil sets, and generally floating on a cloud of righteous euphoria. American Jews included. American Jews especially.

169 LionOfDixon  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:08:34pm

Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright are probably laughing their asses off right about now.....

Which reminds me....if they want to close down Gitmo, why not house the prisoners in Hyde Park in Obama's neighborhood...they feel very comfortable with terrorists living among them. Plus, it has a nice ring to it, don't you think?...."The Hyde Park Detainees..."

170 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:08:37pm

I got chores to do.

Have a great afternoon all!

171 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:08:47pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Speaking of human rights: The Koskidz are struggling with Obama's Gitmo/Geneva Convention position.....
Obama Has Done Something Terrible

Take a scroll through the comments.

Killgore Trout -

Just file this one under "Even a Broken Watch is Right Twice Per Day." Truth be known, until the Hamdan series of cases, Gitmo=Bagram which is why Gitmo was used in the first place.

-S-

172 LC HOGHEAD  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:08:49pm

re: #99 Last Mohican


But seriously, are they really executing people and then harvesting their organs?

Organ sales 'thriving' in China

Chinese officials say the prisoners volunteer to donate their organs

The sale of organs taken from executed prisoners appears to be thriving in China, an undercover investigation by the BBC has found.
Organs from death row inmates are sold to foreigners who need transplants.

One hospital said it could provide a liver at a cost of £50,000 ($94,400), with the chief surgeon confirming an executed prisoner could be the donor.

China's health ministry did not deny the practice, but said it was reviewing the system and regulations.

'Present to society'

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes visited No 1 Central Hospital in Tianjin, ostensibly seeking a liver for his sick father.

Officials there told him that a matching liver could be available in three weeks.

One official said that the prisoners volunteered to give their organs as a "present to society".

He said there was currently an organ surplus because of an increase in executions ahead of the 1 October National Day.

China executes more prisoners than any other country in the world. In 2005, at least 1,770 people were executed, although true figures were believed to be much higher, a report by human rights group Amnesty International said.

In March, China's foreign ministry admitted that organs from prisoners were used, but said that it was only in "a very few cases".

Spokesman Qin Gang said that the organs were not taken forcibly, but only with the express permission of the convict.

But whether prisoners really are free to make up their own minds on organ donation just before they are executed is not at all clear, our correspondent says.

In April 2006, top British transplant surgeons condemned the practice as unacceptable and a breach of human rights.

But the No 1 Central Hospital carried out 600 liver transplants last year, our correspondent says, and the organ transplant industry has become big business.

173 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:09:06pm

re: #161 alegrias

Good grief.
I saw a billboard there where they'll pay to remove tattoos, and I thought that was bad.

174 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:09:57pm

re: #168 Last Mohican

Do you think? I don't know, where I am, people are still wearing their Obama t-shirts every other day, buying their commemorative "yes we did" pen-and-pencil sets, and generally floating on a cloud of righteous euphoria. American Jews included. American Jews especially.

Chicago Police Department has sure been booking a lot of folks in Obama T-Shirts...:)


/S

175 Last Mohican  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:10:49pm

re: #165 smokefire

point taken. Was just trying to be fair and balanced

It was a noble effort.

176 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:11:11pm

re: #174 Dustyvet

Chicago Police Department has sure been booking a lot of folks in Obama T-Shirts...:)

/S

Isn't that hilarious?
Well, in a perverse way...

177 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:11:41pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

OT: Glenn Beck is an idiot.....
Glenn Beck scares Fox host into hiding under table

* * * *
Beck is kind of like Jay Leno--clownish--but his subject matter is more serious. I enjoy someone trying to find the humour in our predicaments right now.

178 Perplexed  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:13:45pm

re: #94 NJDhockeyfan

It seems like everything I see in the stores say "Made in China" on the package. It's hard to find "Made in USA" anymore.

Little is made in the US today and as the number of manufacturers drops so does our ability to do what we did to win WWII.

179 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:15:14pm

New Directer of Home Land Security?


Image: imagesfearless-fife-small.jpg

180 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:15:56pm

Hmmm....terrorist at GITMO have their religion insulted and the liberals cry torture. Christians,and others who simply want to live in a free society,in China are butchered like cattle and the liberals say,"oh well,we can make a lot of money if we go along with the murdering thugs running the country". Why is proven human rights abuses of innocent civilians no big deal with the same people who raise hell about the treatment of terrorists? Is it just me or does this seem 180 degrees from where an sane society would be headed?

181 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:16:06pm

This whole business of China harvesting convicted criminals organs is like something I read in a Larry Niven book. People were sent to the organ banks for too many traffic tickets and other trivial offences to keep the masses alive and well. The ChiComs have got George Orwell beat all to hell.

182 z9z99  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:16:22pm

The upshot:

The "global financial crisis" is more important than the human rights of those being abused by the government of China;

The "global climate change crisis" (which is progressive folklore) is more important than human rights;

The "security crisis," whatever the hell that is, is more improtant than the abuse of human rights, so...

If abuse of human rights is an acceptable price to pay in the face of such bogeymen, Americans will just have to learn to accept that some of their rights will also be sacrificed on the altar of "crisis."

183 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:16:50pm

How Chinagate Led to 9/11
...for anyone who hasn't read about it...

184 esch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:18:33pm

re: #76 esch

Niven foresaw this decades ago.

re: #181 pingjockey

This whole business of China harvesting convicted criminals organs is like something I read in a Larry Niven book. People were sent to the organ banks for too many traffic tickets and other trivial offences to keep the masses alive and well. The ChiComs have got George Orwell beat all to hell.

GMTA lol.

185 Syrah  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:18:52pm

re: #181 pingjockey

This whole business of China harvesting convicted criminals organs is like something I read in a Larry Niven book. People were sent to the organ banks for too many traffic tickets and other trivial offences to keep the masses alive and well. The ChiComs have got George Orwell beat all to hell.

It creates a amazing incentive to be diagnosed with some type of disease that would make you ineligible for being an organ donor.

186 Kragar  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:19:40pm

re: #184 esch

GMTA lol.

Next we'll have the Birthright lottery

187 katemaclaren  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:19:46pm

re: #166 alegrias

None of my "Greatest generation" relatives will buy Japanese cars. One was very angry when I bought a VW beetle in 1980! Got a lecture on Hitler's car for ordinary folks. Since they're driving GMs and Fords, they're probably fortunate that they don't drive that much any more--those cars of theirs are kept in pristine condition, though. They should last! My Aunt, 90, has a 1995 Chevy--with 32,000 miles on the clock! She bought it new--keeps it in the garage.

188 jcm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:19:55pm

re: #185 Syrah

It creates a amazing incentive to be diagnosed with some type of disease that would make you ineligible for being an organ donor.

I'm a Leper! I'm a Leper!

189 Perplexed  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:21:26pm

re: #188 jcm

I'm a Leper! I'm a Leper!

Curable. Ebola on the other hand....

190 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:21:30pm

re: #188 jcm

I'm a Leper! I'm a Leper!

I know I shouldn't laugh but, I did.

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:21:59pm

IIRC, Last year (or a couple years ago) the Chinese executed the executive in charge of the factory that poisoned all those pets.

Those people are serious executioners.

192 Syrah  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:22:21pm

re: #188 jcm

I'm a Leper! I'm a Leper!

(Cringe.)
Exactly.

I was thinking more along the lines of hepatitis, but Leprosy would do it.

193 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:22:47pm

re: #188 jcm

I'm a Leper! I'm a Leper!

You just had to do that while I'm drinking a Dr. Pepper...:)


"I'm a Leaper, your a Leaper..."_


/S

194 esch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:23:15pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Next we'll have the Birthright lottery

*sigh*

You're closer than you know. I predict that universal healthcare will end up mandating reversible sterilization to participate.

We'll probably lead the ChiCom's just because with less than 1/3rd the population it will be easier to implement. And conservatives will buy into it with the promise that it'll 'end' abortion.

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:23:24pm

re: #188 jcm

I'm a Leper! I'm a Leper!

Live Organ Trasnplants...

196 itellu3times  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:23:57pm

re: #107 alegrias

* * **
You're right, and if your only child is killed when the school roof collapses like they did on thousands of Chinese children last year, you can petition your Community Organizer for permission to have another child.

Or maybe adopt one from the USA where they make them eight at a time.

197 itellu3times  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:24:44pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Next we'll have the Birthright lottery

... of which part was gladiatorial contests to the death for additional birthrights!

198 LionOfDixon  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:26:01pm

Funny......Obama's Attorney General just told us Americans that we are all cowards for not discussing "race issues" enough.....and then Obama's Secretary of State says "human rights issues" are not that important.

Who are the cowards?

199 Syrah  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:26:06pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Next we'll have the Birthright lottery

Breeding for luck?

200 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:26:08pm

re: #189 Perplexed

Curable. Ebola on the other hand....

Well, how about SLE?

201 jcm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:26:48pm

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Live Organ Trasnplants...

I'm not using it right now anyway.......

202 esch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:27:17pm

re: #198 LionOfDixon

Doesn't matter.

Liberals are always right. Period. No matter what.

/do I need to?

203 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:27:37pm

re: #173 J.D.

Good grief.
I saw a billboard there where they'll pay to remove tattoos, and I thought that was bad.

The tattoo removal policy is a good one, as it helps ex-gang members to make a clean cut from...
My understanding is that much of the equipment and Dr's time is donated. but the other.. geez!

204 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:28:20pm

re: #196 itellu3times

Or maybe adopt one from the USA where they make them eight at a time.

Hence the TV show "Eight is Enough"


/s

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:28:22pm

Well, guess I'll go see what Georgie did... ------>

206 esch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:29:13pm

Ok, gotta take the kids swimming.

Thanks for the wonderfully stimulating conversation (and opportunity to vent).

Later!

207 Perplexed  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:29:17pm

re: #200 Dar ul Harb

SLE? Bad disease for the victims, difficult to diagnose, harder to treat, masquerades as other illnesses, etc. Might be a good contender.

208 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:29:40pm

re: #118 alegrias

* * * *
You must admit we "blew" a lot of the budget FIGHTING abroad & DEFENDING at home, the last 7 years.

Nope. Husband's military....budgets did not increase nearly as much as domestic spending.

Sickening but true. The GOP screwed the military and the country while they were in charge. Don't you remember Limbaugh talking about how running a deficit wasn't a big deal during the Bush admin? He kept poo-poohing the deficit complaints coming from democrats.

Now the dems are in the executive branch, and Limbaugh's all about screaming about the deficit and the democrats don't care about it any more.

It's just a joke on both sides.

209 esch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:32:02pm

Whoa, just passed 1k!

Woot! And later for real this time.

210 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:35:19pm

Holy Sci-Fi. One little allusion and look out, we're up to our navels in Puppeteers!

211 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:35:51pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I was just checking back on the history of China's admission to the WTO in 2001. The main disagreements were copyright protection and tariffs/subsidies. Human rights were not even on the table.

Huh. Who was president in 2001?

Guys, Hillary isn't any different from GWB here. Of course I'm not a GWB fan.....but for those of you who were/are, really, there's no CHANGE here. It's kinda fun to watch the lefties sob while their dreams are crushed, I suppose.

But that will only be fun until Obama throws Hillary under the bus with the rest of them so Soros and Dohrn can call all the shots.

212 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:38:40pm

re: #99 Last Mohican

Not right away. It would stop the heart, but the organs would live on for some hours.

But seriously, are they really executing people and then harvesting their organs?

Yes. I thought the single bullet to the back of the skull was the preferred method though.

If they need the organs I assume they would harvest all of them first then just don't revive the patient.

Yay socialized medicine in the worker's paradise!

213 jcm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:40:25pm

Is this the Chinese infrastructure that Obama admired during the Olympics?

Liveleak Video
214 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:41:03pm

re: #74 Ojoe

Hillary, either you are honorable or you are not. Either you care about other people or you do not. On some things there is no middle, and you cannot always hide who you are.

Get around to the good side & let the chips fall where they may, that is what the USA is all about.

Otherwise you are dragging us all down.

Did you say the same about GW Bush? He and his Sec Treas Bernanke have been thick as thieves with the PRC.

215 voirdire  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:41:07pm

How else do you treat the one to whom you owe the vig?

216 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:41:41pm

U.S. Officials Outraged at U.N. Over Hamas Letter to Obama
Sen. John Kerry will not be visiting Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal during his trip to Syria Saturday and U.S. officials in Jerusalem are furious at the United Nations Relief and Works agency for its handling of the letter.


Exit question: Did Kerry take Moe and Curly on the trip, or is he traveling alone?


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

217 LionOfDixon  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:41:51pm

I guess "Hope and Change" is now "Cope in Chains"

218 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:47:19pm

re: #216 Dustyvet

LOL; US officials upset that the UN let the unwashed masses know that Obama [hearts] Hamas and the feeling is mutual, huh?

219 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:48:28pm

I am no fan of Hilary. However-In the world of Realpolitik, its all about strength and momentum. 20 million Chinese are out of jobs and could starve. The next year or two is a very dangerous time as no nation can starve without a fight, even if its internal.

In times of crisis the "niceties" like human rights are second rate issues. Hillary is just working within the possible at this time.

220 funky chicken  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:59:05pm

Wasn't it Jimmy Carter who came up with the "brilliant" idea that we can't deal with people whose human rights records are suspect? That whole idea did us a world of good in Iran, right? I believe it caused problems in Latin America too.

We cannot be responsible for human rights abused around the globe.

Of course we shouldn't have outsourced/offshored most of our manufacturing. I'd rather go back to the way things were when I was a kid--one set of sheets per bed, only a few towels, only a few changes of clothing, etc...not houses full of piles of useless crap that people bought because it was so cheap.

but that's a totally different discussion, and thanks to WJC and GWB, that horse has already left the barn, probably

221 Bob Dillon  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:00:04pm

re: #137 katemaclaren

Is this real? I just thought it was a gag!

Real ... been worked on for months!

Now good to go

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

222 LionOfDixon  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:04:38pm

Well....at least we know she will eat well on her trip...hope she tries out sum yung gi.

223 jcm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:09:22pm

COOOOOL!

KC-10 and C-5 refueling...

Liveleak Video
224 jones  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:11:03pm

I remember in 1992 the Clinton Mob attacked Bush 41 for dealing with China despite Human Rights violations. (A critque I agree with).

Of course the second they were elected we all know what happened.

225 MJBrutus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:13:10pm

That's right. We're too busy dealing with all the crises we're facing! We have a security crisis, after all (who knew?). The earth is on fire, the earth is on fire! We have to stop the earth from burning from the global warming crisis!

If we run out of those crises, we'll have to invent some more just so everyone knows that we can't do squat about our future, because we have to deal with all the crises we have today!

Oh thank goodness we have such smart, competent people in office to save us from this crisis and that crisis and the other crisis.

Crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, Crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, ...

226 Mirage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:22:42pm

Disgusting as this attitude is... it comes as no surprise given who it is and the agenda.

227 Mirage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:25:01pm

re: #222 LionOfDixon

Well....at least we know she will eat well on her trip...hope she tries out sum yung gi.

I'd feel sorry for the "gi" scarred for life by the troglodyte.

228 AuntAcid  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:26:49pm

!re: #225 MJBrutus

Jesus Crisis!

229 Dragonwolf  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:33:48pm

re: #26 vapig

We've been put in this position through our own folly of allowing China to buy up our debt rather than balancing our own budget. The stranglehold they have on us will only get tighter with the porkulous bill.

Part of the problem is we can't see past the next election, barely four years. China's policies are based on an expectation of conquering us through financial means, in about three hundred years. (I read that figure somewhere and can't for the life of me remember where).

From our side we have no time to deal with trivialities, the crises must be dealt with now.

They have no problem waiting for us to drown in the trivialities while dangling 'crises cures' in front of us.

Just a thought on the power of perspective

-DWolf

230 Dragonwolf  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:38:22pm

re: #50 karmic_inquisitor

Democrats are essentially unprincipled.

The party of Machiavelli.

That would imply cunning intelligence and planning. Didn't you mean to say Mickey Mouse?

231 Natasha  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:39:35pm

Rights? What rights? Avoid individual rights and the role of the individual in shaping society at your own peril... Collectivists: screwing up the world since who the heck cares when.

232 Natasha  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:40:56pm

re: #230 Dragonwolf

That would imply cunning intelligence and planning. Didn't you mean to say Mickey Mouse?

You are giving these assclowns way too much credit. Mickey was at least funny. He was also a cartoon character. We now have "characters" trying to run our lives....

233 ladycatnip  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:45:30pm

Joseph Stalin:One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic. He would be proud of Hillary.

234 conservatismnow!  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:50:45pm

re: #9 itellu3times

Yeah, but then we'd stop buying their fortune cookies.

Fortune cookies are either Japanese or were invented in Los Angeles, depending on who you ask. Not Chinese at all, oddly enough. Just a thought.

235 Suzette  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:14:20pm

re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IIRC, Last year (or a couple years ago) the Chinese executed the executive in charge of the factory that poisoned all those pets.

Those people are serious executioners.


Yep and they said "committed suicide".
/not likely.

236 Sifty  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:40:51pm

Hillzebub is just there to collect some more cash in exchange for selling them some more secret tech.

237 phillygirl  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:43:33pm

Please wake me when the Obama administration is over. With Hillary and State and Holder at Justice, the stench is becoming overwhelming. I'd love to get a job in Australia for a few years, just to sit out this fiasco.

238 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:47:31pm
239 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:49:31pm
240 right_in_canada  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:51:58pm

re: #15 FrogMarch


LOL ! Readin' it loud and clear FM! :-)

241 DFG JR  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:39:14pm

re: #234 conservatismnow!

Fortune cookies are either Japanese or were invented in Los Angeles, depending on who you ask. Not Chinese at all, oddly enough. Just a thought.

Fortune cookies were invented in San Francisco.

242 So?  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:39:43pm

Hillary Clinton will turn out to be the worst US Secretary of State ever.

Did I say EVER! Yes I did.

243 So?  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:44:05pm

Hillary thought the world would embrace her as lovingly as they did her husband, but once again, she miscalculated.

244 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:49:08pm

re: #241 DFG JR

oh right. forgot about the court decision.

245 katemaclaren  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:02:35pm

re: #221 Bobibutu

Well, what do you know! I went to LuLu and bought a copy. Now, I'll have to cook (oh no).

246 hazzyday  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:24:44pm

The new Obama. Human rights less important than China Cheater Trade.

247 tradewind  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:38:42pm

re: #219 Rightwingconspirator

Hillary as SecState has impressed me way more than BHO as President. In fact, I'm sorry now that the stop Hillary movement succeeded... she'd have been better on so many levels.

248 zosthrowin  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:45:59pm

It's not like we should expect a reaction based on principle from either of the Clintons...

249 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:58:48pm

re: #50 karmic_inquisitor

Democrats are essentially unprincipled.

The party of Machiavelli.

Have to disagree with you there. Machiavelli was open about his advice to the "Prince"; those are just not the principles you agree with.
On the other hand I agree that the Democrats have no principles.
Slight semantic difference.

250 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:03:26pm

re: #74 Ojoe

Hillary, either you are honorable or you are not.

Get around to the good side & let the chips fall where they may, that is what the USA is all about.

The Hildebeast doesn't have a good side.

251 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:07:48pm

re: #86 Ojoe

No, the party of someone else.

Machiavelli was a realist in terms of human nature and he laid out a program for governing human beings as they are, which would result in good government.

Whatever the Democrats are, they are not that.

That's what I meant to say ...uhh... farther down the thread

252 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:10:55pm

re: #250 Mr Spiffy

The Hildebeast doesn't have a good side.

* * *
Hey! Hillary put up a good fight against Obama during the democrats' primaries; she called him out on his bullshiite better than McCain did during the final contest for the White House!

I give Hillary credit for fighting Obama's celestial Hopen'Changey approach.

253 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:00:55pm

re: #225 MJBrutus

That's right. We're too busy dealing with all the crises we're facing! We have a security crisis, after all (who knew?). The earth is on fire, the earth is on fire! We have to stop the earth from burning from the global warming crisis!

If we run out of those crises, we'll have to invent some more just so everyone knows that we can't do squat about our future, because we have to deal with all the crises we have today!

Oh thank goodness we have such smart, competent people in office to save us from this crisis and that crisis and the other crisis.

Crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, Crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, ...

and here I thought Infinite Crisis was a DC Comics marketing scheme
or was that 52 ...
or "Countdown" ?

254 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:08:10pm

re: #237 phillygirl

There is no sitting out; there is nowhere to escape
adopting the fetal position is the liberal way of facing trouble. That's why we are all here
For some this is all we can do...
for now


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