Terror Attack in Cairo

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An explosion in a tourist area in Cairo, Egypt, has killed at least one person and injured 12.

At least one person has been killed and 12 injured in a bomb explosion in the Egyptian capital Cairo, police say.

They say foreigners were among the victims after the blast outside a cafe in the historic Khan el-Kalili area popular with tourists. …

The explosion occurred near the Hussein mosque and a well-known bazaar which was crowded with shoppers.

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1 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:54:04am

Destroy the Egyptian economy (i.e. tourism) along with people's lives. Brilliant strategy.

Welcome to the Middle Ages. (Which is what they want, apparently.)

2 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:54:49am

Religion of Peace™!

3 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:55:31am
The explosion occurred near the Hussein mosque

Let's riot over this desecration of an Islamic holy site!

4 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:55:38am

Lurch is busy palling around with terror sponsors this weekend. Maybe he can go negotiate some peace.

5 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:55:39am

I wonder what group did the bombing?

/

6 Bloodnok  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:56:02am

Someone unclenched their fist, but it contained a live grenade.

7 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:56:20am

Sandmonkey says.....
Terrorist Attack In Cairo!

News reports are coming in: An explosion rocked the AlHussein touristy area in Cairo. An explosive device went off , injured at least 18 people, and killed at least 4, two of which are foreigners, and one of which is french. There are reports that a second, smaller bomb went off an hour later, and another bomb that was found by the police and was getting dismantled as we speak.

The timing of this highly unfortunate and suspect: the government is planning to vote on the Terrorism law- which is the emergency law, but rather permanent- on sunday, and nothing better to justify the passing of such a publically despised law than to have a nice explosion a few days before its passing.Also, a rather comical NDP MP just went on TV and accused the Taliban and Iranof being behind it. The government will of course use this to stick broomsticks up our asses for a long time to come. Fun times lie ahead, people. Fun times!

8 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:56:44am

re: #4 JammieWearingFool

Lurch is busy palling around with terror sponsors this weekend. Maybe he can go negotiate some peace pieces.

9 moonflower  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:57:27am

I have been right there, several times. I will never go back to Egypt again.
They were overtly hostile to Americans the last time I went in 2004. A big change from 5 years before that.

This is so sad - there is so much wonderful history and beautiful art there. All of it going to be destroyed, or at least off limits to Westerners.

10 debutaunt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:57:32am

re: #3 zombie

Let's riot over this desecration of an Islamic holy site!

Rage Boy really should come back from his self-imposed sabbatical.

11 ryannon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:57:48am

Damned Amish.

12 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:57:52am

Isn't tourism one of Egypt's main industries? A global financial crunch is probably not the best time to intentionally damage your own bread and butter.

13 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:58:14am

re: #8 MandyManners

Some of Lurch's policies have gotten people killed.

14 Bubbaman  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:59:40am

All of the so-called "peace loving", "moderate" muslims better wake up and police themselves before they all end up wearing burquas, stoning rape victims to death, destroying art pieces, and do nothing whatsoever other than bowing down to a stupid moon-god.

15 yma o hyd  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:59:49am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Thanks for that link/quote!

16 tradewind  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:00:16am

And just when I was thinking it would be safe to go there.

17 tradewind  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:01:02am

re: #9 moonflower

Can you imagine if the Taliban gets within range of the Pyramids?

18 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:01:03am

The Arab Muslims overran Egypt in 639, wiping out the ancient civilization and replacing the Coptic and Hellenistic culture with a new Sunni Islamic culture.

And though it has now been 1370 years since the conquest, for some reason the Arabs still feel insecure about their presence there. An uneasiness that they are still viewed, by the Copts and and foreign tourists (who know real history), as unwelcome intruders.

Hence the need by the Islamists to continually drive out the knowledgable and enforce a mindset of fear and compliance amongst the locals.

19 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:01:07am

re: #13 Perplexed

Some of Lurch's policies have gotten people killed.

Did you hear that he's been to Viet Nam

20 yma o hyd  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:01:11am

re: #14 Bubbaman

All of the so-called "peace loving", "moderate" muslims better wake up and police themselves before they all end up wearing burquas, stoning rape victims to death, destroying art pieces, and do nothing whatsoever other than bowing down to a stupid moon-god.

You forgot the beheadings, mun - they're important!

21 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:01:59am

re: #15 yma o hyd

Sandmonkey used to be an excellent blogger but he's not that active anymore. It's too bad, he was really great.

22 tradewind  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:02:16am

re: #1 zombie

Some of them seem determined to bomb themselves back up to the Stone Age.

23 godfrey  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:02:20am

re: #12 Sharmuta

If Egypt isn't a brain-dead sh*thole run by a clerical mafia, it's underachieving. The umma has expectations!

24 itellu3times  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:02:26am

They named a mosque after Obama's middle name?

25 obscured by clouds  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:03:22am

I thought all this shit was supposed to stop if America just elected a grovelling, repentant, America bashing, enemy embracing, pseudo socialist, President. I guess I was wrong.

26 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:03:34am

re: #16 tradewind

I don't think it's safe to go anywhere except Australia, Canada, some nice warm islands, not Indonesia. Mexico is teetering, the ME is it's usual mess. Don't know about the EU.

27 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:03:40am

re: #18 zombie

This probably has a lot to do with the recent war in Gaza and Egypt's cooperation with closing down tunnels and keeping the border sealed. The Ummah was really pissed about it.

28 Bubbaman  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:03:58am

re: #20 yma o hyd

You forgot the beheadings, mun - they're important!

My bad. With all of these positive qualities like slavery, mistreatment of women, lack of protection for minorities, hatred for others, etc. I am bound to forget an attribute or two.

29 tradewind  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:04:01am

re: #25 obscured by clouds

Look on the bright side. Maybe this is the famous test that Joe the Senator spoke of.
Then again, probably not.

30 kay1212  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:04:19am

My son was in Cairo at Christmas. He works in Dubai. He was never fearful but said Cairo wasn't a pleasant place. He was escorted by a friend who was local and didn't notice any hostility to tourists or Americans. However, he said it was like rush hour all the time only with donkey carts instead of autos.

31 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:04:39am

re: #24 itellu3times

They named a mosque after Obama's middle name?

He's quite popular over there! Hell, if we can re-name elementnary schools in the US to "Barack Obama School," they can rename mosques and shrines all over the Islamic World, "The B. Hussein Mosque."

/

32 itellu3times  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:05:02am

re: #18 zombie

The Arab Muslims overran Egypt in 639, wiping out the ancient civilization and replacing the Coptic and Hellenistic culture with a new Sunni Islamic culture.

And though it has now been 1370 years since the conquest, for some reason the Arabs still feel insecure about their presence there. An uneasiness that they are still viewed, by the Copts and and foreign tourists (who know real history), as unwelcome intruders.

Hence the need by the Islamists to continually drive out the knowledgable and enforce a mindset of fear and compliance amongst the locals.

Don't the mullahs still preach against the "pharoahs"? And the Egyptians wore (invented? too lazy to Google) the fez, damned reformers. Mubarak doesn't have a beard to this day, or wear so much as a yarmulke!

33 Bobblehead  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:05:35am

I've always dreamed of taking one of those cruises up the Nile river. Not so much anymore. What happens when those loonies start targeting the ancient monuments in an attempt to slaughter innocent tourists?

34 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:05:50am

Ought to be interesting to see who Egypt blames for it.

This may or may not be OT: it's either a flying pig moment, or we won the GWOT.

Sayyid Imam al-Sharif, who goes by the nom de guerre Dr Fadl, helped bin Laden create al-Qaeda and then led an Islamist insurgency in Egypt in the 1990s.

But in a book written from inside an Egyptian prison, he has launched a frontal attack on al-Qaeda's ideology and the personal failings of bin Laden and particularly his Egyptian deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Twenty years ago, Dr Fadl became al-Qaeda's intellectual figurehead with a crucial book setting out the rationale for global jihad against the West.

Today, however, he believes the murder of innocent people is both contrary to Islam and a strategic error. "Every drop of blood that was shed or is being shed in Afghanistan and Iraq is the responsibility of bin Laden and Zawahiri and their followers," writes Dr Fadl.

The terrorist attacks on September 11 were both immoral and counterproductive, he writes. "Ramming America has become the shortest road to fame and leadership among the Arabs and Muslims. But what good is it if you destroy one of your enemy's buildings, and he destroys one of your countries? What good is it if you kill one of his people, and he kills a thousand of yours?" asks Dr Fadl. "That, in short, is my evaluation of 9/11."

He is equally unsparing about Muslims who move to the West and then take up terrorism. "If they gave you permission to enter their homes and live with them, and if they gave you security for yourself and your money, and if they gave you the opportunity to work or study, or they granted you political asylum," writes Dr Fadl, then it is "not honourable" to "betray them, through killing and destruction".

I saw that on Don Surber's blog and had to go read the original. It's a keeper.

35 yma o hyd  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:05:56am

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Sandmonkey used to be an excellent blogger but he's not that active anymore. It's too bad, he was really great.

Yep - I recall his blog, good stuff there.
He's probably got to be extra careful, especially in view of what he writes about this new anti-terror legislation being passed.

36 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:06:17am

Damn Lutherans!

37 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:06:17am

re: #30 kay1212

My son was in Cairo at Christmas. He works in Dubai. He was never fearful but said Cairo wasn't a pleasant place. He was escorted by a friend who was local and didn't notice any hostility to tourists or Americans. However, he said it was like rush hour all the time only with donkey carts instead of autos.

I'd love to see that.

38 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:06:26am

Anybody remember the big terror attack against tourists that happened at the Temple of Luxor historical site over a decade ago? I think AQ or whoever is doing this has always known that attacking Egypt's economy is a good way to go.

39 yma o hyd  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:06:57am

re: #26 pingjockey

I don't think it's safe to go anywhere except Australia, Canada, some nice warm islands, not Indonesia. Mexico is teetering, the ME is it's usual mess. Don't know about the EU.

Wales is pretty good ...

;-)

40 screaming_eagle  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:06:58am

They just need help paying their home loans. That's all they are asking for.

41 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:07:06am

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Sandmonkey used to be an excellent blogger but he's not that active anymore. It's too bad, he was really great.

IIRC Sandmonkey was picked up by the Egyptian government, given a rather brutal tuneup and was set free.

42 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:07:12am
43 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:07:41am

re: #34 Steffan

taqiyya

44 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:09:08am

re: #37 MandyManners
It is the craziest stuff you ever saw. Donkey carts, ox carts, buses, taxis. You can spend a very entertaining afternoon watching the street go by.

45 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:09:30am

re: #31 zombie

He's quite popular over there! Hell, if we can re-name elementnary schools in the US to "Barack Obama School," they can rename mosques and shrines all over the Islamic World, "The B. Hussein Mosque."

/

zombie -

If it is translated as the "BLESSED Hussein" Mosque - It is already named that.

-S-

46 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:10:23am

re: #39 yma o hyd
I know that! Do you think my better half ever lets me forget that? I have to add a yard arm to my flag pole,We now have a Welsh flag!

47 Bobblehead  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:10:23am

re: #41 Perplexed

IIRC Sandmonkey was picked up by the Egyptian government, given a rather brutal tuneup and was set free.

I wondered about that. The last time I read him with any regularity he suspected he was being watched.

48 debutaunt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:10:24am

re: #24 itellu3times

They named a mosque after Obama's middle name?

What? The frickin' mosque?

49 yma o hyd  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:10:25am

re: #34 Steffan

Its been mentioned here in the UK as well - the opinion was that one ought to keep in mind that he's languishing in an Egyptian prison, which might make his turn around a bit questionable ...

50 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:11:09am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Closer to home, we are going back to the Middle Ages at a great rate ourselves--this time led by Congress:

Pre-1985 Books Banned by Congress Because of Ink Content.

This is real; this is insane; this is here and now.

Read, and tremble.

Hold up on that. The jury is still out on pre 1985 books being disposed of. The ban is in on ATVs and kiddie motorcycles, but they lifted the ban on books and toys.

51 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:11:56am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Closer to home, we are going back to the Middle Ages at a great rate ourselves--this time led by Congress:

Pre-1985 Books Banned by Congress Because of Ink Content.

This is real; this is insane; this is here and now.

Read, and tremble.

I am seriously sick to my stomach.

This is how it will go. The Historical Revisionists and the Cultural Revolutionaries will impose their ideology using all sorts of cockeyed excuses, but the end result will be the same: They will expunge any memory of How Things Used To Be®,and replace it with CorrectThink.

I am afraid.

52 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:12:14am

re: #48 debutaunt
No. Hussein was some medieval buddy/disciple of the prophet. Beanie be upon him.

53 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:12:34am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Closer to home, we are going back to the Middle Ages at a great rate ourselves--this time led by Congress:

Pre-1985 Books Banned by Congress Because of Ink Content.

This is real; this is insane; this is here and now.

Read, and tremble.

Freakin' totalitarian busybodies.

54 kay1212  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:12:37am

re: #44 pingjockey

It is the craziest stuff you ever saw. Donkey carts, ox carts, buses, taxis. You can spend a very entertaining afternoon watching the street go by.

And very smelly according to my son. Still, I'd love to go. The pyramids were amazing, he said, and well worth the trip.

55 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:12:55am
56 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:14:07am

re: #54 kay1212
The smell in some places is not to be believed.
Karachi Pakistan sticks in my mind as the smelliest place I ever visited.

57 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:15:18am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Closer to home, we are going back to the Middle Ages at a great rate ourselves--this time led by Congress:

Pre-1985 Books Banned by Congress Because of Ink Content.

This is real; this is insane; this is here and now.

Read, and tremble.

re: #50 Perplexed

Hold up on that. The jury is still out on pre 1985 books being disposed of. The ban is in on ATVs and kiddie motorcycles, but they lifted the ban on books and toys.

It’s hard to believe, but true: under a law Congress passed last year aimed at regulating hazards in children’s products, the federal government has now advised that children’s books published before 1985 should not be considered safe and may in many cases be unlawful to sell or distribute.

58 yma o hyd  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:15:37am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Closer to home, we are going back to the Middle Ages at a great rate ourselves--this time led by Congress:

Pre-1985 Books Banned by Congress Because of Ink Content.

This is real; this is insane; this is here and now.

Read, and tremble.

Weep and waail, rather, than just tremble.

That is terrible, utterly unbelievable!

59 itellu3times  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:17:11am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Closer to home, we are going back to the Middle Ages at a great rate ourselves--this time led by Congress:

Pre-1985 Books Banned by Congress Because of Ink Content.

This is real; this is insane; this is here and now.

Read, and tremble.

We have always been at war with East Asia.

60 Karagush  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:17:13am

re: #56 pingjockey

The smell in some places is not to be believed.
Karachi Pakistan sticks in my mind as the smelliest place I ever visited.

worse than seoul Korea?

61 yma o hyd  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:17:29am

re: #46 pingjockey

I know that! Do you think my better half ever lets me forget that? I have to add a yard arm to my flag pole,We now have a Welsh flag!

Good for you!
I knew your wife wouldn't let you forget that! Keep fingers and everything crossed for our Six Nations match on Friday evening - its against the Fwench, in Paris ...

62 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:17:47am

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

taqiyya

Considering where he is, it's entirely possible.

Maybe he thinks toeing the party line will earn himself some good-behavior time, if Egypt offers it to their "guests."

63 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:18:45am

Confirming earlier reports, the document advised that only “ordinary” children’s books (that is, made entirely of paper, with no toylike plastic or metal elements) printed after 1985 could be placed in the safe category. Older books were pointedly left off the safe list; the commission did allow an exception for vintage collectibles whose age, price, or rarity suggested that they would most likely be used by adult collectors, rather than given to children.

Since the law became effective the very next day, there was no time to waste in putting this advice into practice. A commenter at Etsy, the large handicrafts and vintage-goods site, observed how things worked at one store:

I just came back from my local thrift store with tears in my eyes! I watched as boxes and boxes of children’s books were thrown into the garbage! Today was the deadline and I just can’t believe it! Every book they had on the shelves prior to 1985 was destroyed! I managed to grab a 1967 edition of “The Outsiders” from the top of the box, but so many!

Jacobsen also worries that any temporary forbearance on the part of the CPSC, which has said that it does not plan a reseller crackdown any time soon in the absence of evidence of risk, could be abrogated without notice in the future. For one thing, new commissioners appointed by the Obama administration are expected to show less sympathy in regulating business than the current commission. In addition, the 50 state attorneys general have been empowered to enforce the law on their own, and frequently take much more aggressive legal positions than those of the federal government, sometimes teaming with private lawyers who capture a share of fines imposed.

SNIP

64 Karagush  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:19:55am

re: #51 zombie

I am seriously sick to my stomach.

This is how it will go. The Historical Revisionists and the Cultural Revolutionaries will impose their ideology using all sorts of cockeyed excuses, but the end result will be the same: They will expunge any memory of How Things Used To Be®,and replace it with CorrectThink.

I am afraid.

read the whole article. This is freaking me out. I collect kids books that go back to early early 20th century. I love them. They totally informed my worldview. I think this is a way to impose a huge censorship without having to call it by its unspeakable name.
AND ITS FOR THE CHILDREN

65 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:20:43am
66 DEZes  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:20:56am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey I just found a new use for my snow shovel, I can use it to get my jaw off the floor.

67 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:20:58am

The threat to old books has surfaced so quickly in recent weeks that the elite press still seems unaware of it. The wider pattern of CPSIA’s disruptive irrationality and threat to small businesses has been covered reasonably well by the local press around the country. Some papers have investigated particular aspects of the law—the Los Angeles Times has tracked its menace to the garment industry, and the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal the general plight of thrift stores—but almost no one has cared to consider the law’s broad array of unintended consequences, let alone ask what went wrong in the near-unanimous rush to passage of this feel-good law.

68 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:22:01am

re: #57 MandyManners

It’s hard to believe, but true: under a law Congress passed last year aimed at regulating hazards in children’s products, the federal government has now advised that children’s books published before 1985 should not be considered safe and may in many cases be unlawful to sell or distribute.

I read that thrift stores, used-kids'-clothing stores, and charities like Goodwill and the Salvation Army are taking a major hit because of it. Anything that has lead in it, in any concentration whatever. This includes zippers and metal buttons. Some thrift stores are going out of business because of it.

Public libraries are also taking a major hit and many may opt to close their children's sections.

Nanny-state Unintended Consequences strike again!

69 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:23:05am

“We cannot simply discard a wealth of our culture’s nineteenth and twentieth children’s literature over this,”re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Closer to home, we are going back to the Middle Ages at a great rate ourselves--this time led by Congress:

Pre-1985 Books Banned by Congress Because of Ink Content.

This is real; this is insane; this is here and now.

Read, and tremble.

How else do you ban poisonous ideas?
/activist

70 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:23:38am

re: #68 Steffan

I read that thrift stores, used-kids'-clothing stores, and charities like Goodwill and the Salvation Army are taking a major hit because of it. Anything that has lead in it, in any concentration whatever. This includes zippers and metal buttons. Some thrift stores are going out of business because of it.

Public libraries are also taking a major hit and many may opt to close their children's sections.

Nanny-state Unintended Consequences strike again!

I do not trust this Commie administration to do the right thing.

71 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:24:32am

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

It's Farhenheit 451 starting at the kiddie level. Time to run out and start acquiring and hoarding anything covered by the ban.

I'm gonna' check out the local thriftstores for books.

72 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:25:24am

re: #68 Steffan

A further question is what to do about public libraries, which daily expose children under 12 to pre-1985 editions of Anne of Green Gables, Beatrix Potter, Baden-Powell’s scouting guides, and other deadly hazards. The blogger Design Loft carefully examines some of the costs of CPSIA-proofing pre-1985 library holdings; they are, not surprisingly, utterly prohibitive. The American Library Association spent months warning about the law’s implications, but its concerns fell on deaf ears in Congress (which, in this week’s stimulus bill, refused to consider an amendment by Republican senator Jim DeMint to reform CPSIA). The ALA now apparently intends to take the position that the law does not apply to libraries unless it hears otherwise. One can hardly blame it for this stance, but it’s far from clear that it will prevail. For one thing, the law bans the “distribution” of forbidden items, whether or not for profit. In addition, most libraries regularly raise money through book sales, and will now need to consider excluding older children’s titles from those sales. One CPSC commissioner, Thomas Moore, has already called for libraries to “sequester” some undefinedly large fraction of pre-1985 books until more is known about their risks.

73 DEZes  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:25:32am

re: #68 Steffan
"Nanny-state Unintended Consequences strike again!"

I am not so sure about the unintended part.

74 Karagush  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:26:05am

re: #69 lostlakehiker

“We cannot simply discard a wealth of our culture’s nineteenth and twentieth children’s literature over this,”

How else do you ban poisonous ideas?
/activist

im crying. I love books. especially all the wonderful things i read as a kids. I learned to read at 3-4 and was voracious by 6-7. This freaks me out. My family's women have been educators for generations-- I have my Great grammas schoolbooks. They are afraid of the concepts taught. I am sure of it.
even the childrens stories for tykes were soaked in good ethic.

75 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:26:12am

re: #73 DEZes

"Nanny-state Unintended Consequences strike again!"

I am not so sure about the unintended part.

Neither am I.

76 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:26:41am
77 Karagush  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:27:08am

re: #71 MandyManners

I'm gonna' check out the local thriftstores for books.

check the dumpsters
seriously. Do it and take big boxes with you you will be glad of them.
might also check library dumpsters.

78 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:29:33am

re: #76 buzzsawmonkey

Note, by the way, the brilliance of creating a censorship which has nothing to do with substantive content, but merely with materials--materials that cannot be shown to have damaged anybody in the past.

I wonder if someone devised it for this purpose.

79 DEZes  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:29:40am

re: #75 MandyManners

Neither am I.

Sad, but any time I hear a politician say its for the children, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

80 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:29:41am

re: #70 MandyManners

I do not trust this Commie administration to do the right thing.

I think we can very well trust them to do the wrong thing.

Such as the ban on personal weapons in national parks because of the lead in ammunition. This, of course, may lead them to ban any ammunition with lead in it.

It's for the environment, right? And it's for the children!

81 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:29:50am

re: #77 Karagush

check the dumpsters
seriously. Do it and take big boxes with you you will be glad of them.
might also check library dumpsters.

I'll just toss them into my trunk.

82 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:30:31am

re: #79 DEZes

Sad, but any time I hear a politician say its for the children, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

When I hear someone say "it's for the chiilllllllllldrennnnnnnnn" I hide my wallet.

83 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:31:03am

re: #80 Steffan

I think we can very well trust them to do the wrong thing.

Such as the ban on personal weapons in national parks because of the lead in ammunition. This, of course, may lead them to ban any ammunition with lead in it.

It's for the environment, right? And it's for the children!

By hook or by crook, these bastards intend to destroy our freedoms.

84 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:32:19am
85 DEZes  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:32:34am

re: #82 MandyManners

When I hear someone say "it's for the chiilllllllllldrennnnnnnnn" I hide my wallet.

Ditto that.

86 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:34:00am

I'm not paranoid. They really are out to get us.

87 pingjockey  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:36:22am

re: #61 yma o hyd
Kick that froggie ass!

88 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:39:11am

For public domain works there is something for it. Anyone hear of Project Gutenberg? It scans and saves thousands of works a year for posterity and then releases them by the internet in different formats.

89 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:39:41am

re: #86 MandyManners

I'm not paranoid. They really are out to get us.

But as one door shuts several open...

90 Perplexed  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:41:01am
91 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:41:14am

re: #51 zombie

I am seriously sick to my stomach.

This is how it will go. The Historical Revisionists and the Cultural Revolutionaries will impose their ideology using all sorts of cockeyed excuses, but the end result will be the same: They will expunge any memory of How Things Used To Be®,and replace it with CorrectThink.

I am afraid.

Yes, and notice that this takes out lots of classic children's books. Copywrite owners need to get in gear and get online and kindle versions out or some will dissappear forever.

92 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:42:43am

re: #89 BlueCanuck

But as one door shuts several open...

What kind of door opens when hunderds of thousands--even millions--of children's books are destroyed?

Wait! What about adult's books that were published before 1985? Will the government say it cannot trust that kids will be kept away from them?

93 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:43:28am

re: #91 Thanos

Yes, and notice that this takes out lots of classic children's books. Copywrite owners need to get in gear and get online and kindle versions out or some will dissappear forever.

I want REAL books available to kids.

94 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:44:20am

re: #92 MandyManners

See my link at #88. That organization has been working at it since at least 1999. The amount of books they have is amazing. Speaking of which, I think I will go make a donation to help them out.

95 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:44:35am
96 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:45:56am
97 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:46:09am

re: #93 MandyManners

Oh, and Project Gutenberg? Can be printed as well. Public domain, go nuts.

98 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:47:25am

re: #73 DEZes

Who was it that said that this sort of stuff would be started as a way to also limit bartering/flea markets etc., since it's harder to tax that sort of thing?

/Housework can wait.

99 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:47:56am

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

It's an organization set up to keep things alive. You can download to your hearts content with out any worries and spread the love. The only downside is you have to keep the OPL in the electronic file and maybe in the hardcopy as well. Big whoop.

/have used it many times myself.

100 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:49:14am

Need nicotine. bbl

101 DEZes  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:49:20am

re: #98 Chicago Blonde
I really wont venture a guess.

102 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:51:18am

re: #101 DEZes

Nothing would surprise me any more. Either way, I still have a thirty-year-old boxed set of the Chronicles of Narnia that I will treasure until a niece or nephew claims it. (I'll tell 'em to hide it now.)

103 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:52:10am

re: #102 Chicago Blonde

Keep it your self. :)

/have a boxed set myself. Third one actually...

104 DEZes  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:55:40am

re: #102 Chicago Blonde
Never read those books, I better get on it before they are burned.

105 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:57:34am

re: #103 BlueCanuck

Wonderful stuff, isn't it? Passing on an old book is kind of a family tradition. My brother gave me his old beat-up copy of The Hobbit when I was a kid. Now I want to share the love.

106 DEZes  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 12:03:20pm

re: #105 Chicago Blonde
I bought the Chronicles Movie, I must admit disappointment, But I have seen many very good books trashed by halfwitted directors in the past.
Is that the case with this movie?

107 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 12:15:58pm

re: #106 DEZes

It seemed well-handled for what it was - I saw part of it on a plane - but the books are amazing. There was so much in the book that it just couldn't (IMHO) be squeezed well into a 2 or 2.5 hour movie.

Start with Lion, Witch & the Wardrobe - I think you'll like it.

108 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 12:50:07pm

re: #106 DEZes

And I've seen that too, and I hate it also.

BBIAB all.

109 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 12:58:55pm

re: #107 Chicago Blonde

Nah, start with "The Magicians Nephew". That's the real start of the Chronicles of Narnia.

/Have I mentioned that I am a real book geek?

110 Maui Girl  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 1:00:33pm

I was there way back in 1988. I bought some perfume oil. Was still using it 10 years later!

111 Maui Girl  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 1:08:03pm

re: #44 pingjockey

It is the craziest stuff you ever saw. Donkey carts, ox carts, buses, taxis. You can spend a very entertaining afternoon watching the street go by.

Or dead horses lying in the canal that runs alongside the main road to the Giza pyramids. Yuk!

112 Maui Girl  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 1:11:28pm

re: #102 Chicago Blonde

Nothing would surprise me any more. Either way, I still have a thirty-year-old boxed set of the Chronicles of Narnia that I will treasure until a niece or nephew claims it. (I'll tell 'em to hide it now.)

I have that same Narnia book set. .

113 Wishbone  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 1:13:20pm

re: #109 BlueCanuck

There are, of course, two schools of thought as to which order the books should be read in. Order of Narnian chronology, or by publishing date.

I'm in the 'start with Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe first' camp.

Yer not the only book geek ;)

114 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 1:15:29pm

re: #113 Wishbone

Ah, I have read the series more often then TLOTR's. And I believe that story chronology trumps publishing. :)

/I try to be orderly in certain areas.

115 Wishbone  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 1:24:10pm

re: #114 BlueCanuck

LOL

I first read 'em thirty years ago.... a dusty old, complete set of hardbacks that were ancient even then and they were in order of publishing so that how I read them and that's how the tales unfolded for me.

It's a curiosity that, whichever order they're read in, the stories and their histories work perfectly well either way. Though I doubt Lewis really intended it as such, he's managed to put his Narnia fans into two distinctly separate categories.

116 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 1:34:48pm

re: #115 Wishbone

My parents were Christian, so I was raised on Lewis. I haven't read all of his works but what I haven't is on my list. I am currently agnostic, with pagan leanings. After all my readings, studies, and pondering, I won't throw away my core beliefs. The Chronicles are still a part of my core beliefs. You should know what I mean if you have read them often enough. The sledgehammer is definitely in "The Last Battle".

117 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 1:48:53pm
118 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 1:51:37pm

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

Damn. It is good though. Most of the corrections are done by volunteer work. It is pure open liscence as you can get. I believe that they are trying to get as much as is public domain as possible. Did you check out what they have available?

119 MarineMomSue  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 2:43:27pm

re: #105 Chicago Blonde

"Wonderful stuff, isn't it? Passing on an old book is kind of a family tradition. My brother gave me his old beat-up copy of The Hobbit when I was a kid. Now I want to share the love."

I've passed along some old books from my childhood to my grandkids. Several with my name written inside the cover in my childish handwriting... Five Little Peppers and How They Grew, Bobbsey Twins, Nancy Drew and Black Beauty... The grandkids are avid readers and they love 'em.

120 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 2:56:06pm

re: #119 MarineMomSue

I'm a book geek too so I had to hop in one last time before I go start dinner & hop off for the night. I think it's so cool you are passing those on - the name written inside is going to make it mean that much more to them. I loved Nancy Drew.

And BlueCanuck, you're right - The Last Battle is the sledgehammer. When I was a kid the stuff with Tash made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. How 'bout you guys?

OK, now I really do need to do some work. Goodnight all, I'll see you tomorrow!

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 3:04:24pm

re: #30 kay1212

My son was in Cairo at Christmas. He works in Dubai. He was never fearful but said Cairo wasn't a pleasant place. He was escorted by a friend who was local and didn't notice any hostility to tourists or Americans. However, he said it was like rush hour all the time only with donkey carts instead of autos.

I read an interview once with an Egyptian imam who now lives in New York. He said that one of the things he loved about New York was the careful and courteous drivers--people paid attention to the traffic laws, unlike folks at home.

122 mindy1  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 5:29:00pm

How sad.. egypt has so much intersting history and is so dependent on tourist dollars, that this could really hurt them.

123 Doda McCheesle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:41:52am

It's BUSH's fault!

oh, waitaminnit...


It's cause of the war in Iraq!


oh, hang on...

It's cause of Gitmo!

Oh yeah, sorry...

Ah, it must be because of Afghanistan!

Hmmm.... uh....

WAIT! I GOT IT!


It's the JOOOOOOOOS FAULT!

Yeah! That'll stick!


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