YES Way past time.

Constitutionalists? Yep, all for them.

Do we have to hold our pinkies out?

It is time for a third IDEOLOGY (which I am working on), but not quite yet time for a Third Party.

Because there is no consensus on what this party should stand for.

First things first.

Left/Right is dead.

Help me come up with a new dichotomy, or at least an adjective to describe what we believe!

We currently have (and had) many "3rd parties". The question is, how to make one a viable and more importantly reasonable player on the national stage.

The last time one was viable was Ross Perots run in 1992. Problem was, it wasn't reasonable, IMHO

re: #4 zombie

The 'Not Insane' party?

The Republicans are leading us off the cliff and the Democrats are shoving us over the cliff.

It is time for some new options.

It all depends. Are they going to be a party of rationalists? A party of limited government, individual rights, fiscal responsibility, and strong national defense? One that will honor our alliance with Israel? And keep the religion out of my politics and leave it at Church and Temple where it belongs?

If so, then I would consider such a party.

re: #4 zombie

It is time for a third IDEOLOGY (which I am working on), but not quite yet time for a Third Party.

Because there is no consensus on what this party should stand for.

First things first.

Left/Right is dead.

Help me come up with a new dichotomy, or at least an adjective to describe what we believe!

Constitutionalists covers it.

I'll even sell cookie! (to myself)...I have a check ready when the time comes

The two major parties are crap.

re: #4 zombie

Help me come up with a new dichotomy, or at least an adjective to describe what we believe!

Thomas Sowell- the constrained vs. unconstrained mindsets.

re: #8 Sharmuta

It all depends. Are they going to be a party of rationalists? A party of limited government, individual rights, fiscal responsibility, and strong national defense? One that will honor our alliance with Israel? And keep the religion out of my politics and leave it at Church and Temple where it belongs?

If so, then I would consider such a party.

Sharmuta for President! That is the clearest platform I've heard yet.

I don't know about the ATP - but it's way past time for something other than D&R.

re: #5 sattv4u2

I concur. However even a smaller 3rd party that is at least capable of winning seats in the House and Senate would greatly improve the conditions in D.C.

re: #9 n in wi

Constitutionalists covers it.

agreed...it would take no more than a coupla paragraphs to set a platform...people are windy tho

re: #13 freedombilly

I'm not interested, but thank you for the endorsement.

I don't know. There are some comments (two) on that site, one proposing the possibility of civil disobedience and another mentioning war.

I'm serious about this. I am in fact struggling to write an essay about my personal political "orientation" (if you can call it that). While it may seem to some to be idiosyncratioc and a weird mishmash of "liberal" and "conservative" ideals, to me it makes perfect sense, and when I look at the currently existing political "poles," what I see is an incomprehensible agglomeration of mutually contradictory statements and ideals within each camp.

I have a feeling that, if a new ideology is very specifically spelled out, many people will agree with it. But my problem is, I have no word for it! Because I need to jettison the ol' left/right nonsense.

Any suggestions? Either an adjective or a noun would suffice.

Charles' neologism "anti-iditoarian" is the starting point, but I don't like the negative phraseology of that. Nor do I want to re-use an existing political term, all of which have been ruined.

re: #12 Sharmuta

Thomas Sowell- the constrained vs. unconstrained mindsets.

I don't care how old Thomas Sowell is - he's my candidate. I'm a Sowellist.

Speaking as someone who has clerked on the trading floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, I can say that floor traders are a pretty generous bunch. They willl pony up if it is a charity that does good work. But most of these folks are self made, they just don't like the idea of having to bail out folks who are freeloaders. Neither do the American people, which is why Santelli's comments have hit a mark.

A third party would hand the next few elections to the Democrats. Better to try and reform the Republican party first. But I'm not too optimistic about it.

re: #20 zombie
Common sense?!

Can our motto be: We elect a president not a pastor, politics in Washington, religion at home.

re: #20 zombie

CTP - The Critical Thinking Party

re: #6 Taqyia2Me

The 'Not Insane' party?

Very close to what I briefly entertainted: "The Sanity party."

However: What what I want is not a name for a political party but rather a philosophy, or set of ideologies. Very important distinction.

re: #22 chicagodudewhotrades

Speaking as someone who has clerked on the trading floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, I can say that floor traders are a pretty generous bunch. They willl pony up if it is a charity that does good work. But most of these folks are self made, they just don't like the idea of having to bail out folks who are freeloaders. Neither do the American people, which is why Santelli's comments have hit a mark.

Santellinist

re: #13 freedombilly

That is the clearest platform I've heard yet.

Also- it's what I thought I was signing up for when I became a republican. But what the party has morphed into is not something I'm real keen on, so they need to get back to what they should be, or they will suffer at the hands of an evolving electorate and go extinct.

re: #20 zombie

Any suggestions? Either an adjective or a noun would suffice.

Getthefuckoffmybackandoutofmywaydotcom

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re: #4 zombie

It is time for a third IDEOLOGY (which I am working on), but not quite yet time for a Third Party.

Because there is no consensus on what this party should stand for.

First things first.

Left/Right is dead.

Help me come up with a new dichotomy, or at least an adjective to describe what we believe!

Zombie, let me know. I'm there.

re: #8 Sharmuta

It all depends. Are they going to be a party of rationalists? A party of limited government, individual rights, fiscal responsibility, and strong national defense? One that will honor our alliance with Israel? And keep the religion out of my politics and leave it at Church and Temple where it belongs?

If so, then I would consider such a party.

What word would you use to describe your philosophy or political orientation?

re: #4 zombie

I would like the government out of my wallet, out of my bedroom, out of my doctor's office. I want a financially responsible government.

In theory these are libertarian values but most of the Libertarian candidates have been nutcases. Also, the Libertarian philosophy tends to be isolationist, they do not believe in overseas involvement which is delusional, now more than ever. When the enemy can fly your own airplanes into your own skyscrapers, you can't ignore what's going on outside your borders.

Libs are against environmental regulation as part of a pan-antiregulation position. But if one takes a minimalist attitude towards the Federal government: that it should be responsible at a minimum for currency, national defense, foreign relations, and interstate affairs, then surely environmental concerns such as pollution and water rights, which cross state lines, are concerns of the federal government.

re: #25 Jetpilot1101

Can our motto be: We elect a president not a pastor, politics in Washington, religion at home.

Not a pastor or a daddy or a messiah.

re: #32 zombie

What word would you use to describe your philosophy or political orientation?

Classical Liberalism.

Is youtube down or something? I can't access it.

re: #27 zombie
What? You want us to work? Sheesh.
Fiscal responsibility
Limited gov't per the Constituition
Now I need to think some more.

re: #9 n in wi

Constitutionalists covers it.

Problem with that is that it's too limiting. I want this word to apply not just to America, and not just to matters involving the Constitution.

While I may indeed consider myself a Constitutionalist, that is just one component of...

of...

of...

of...

Hell, what's the word?!?!?!?!?!?

"Obviousism"?

re: #4 zombie

It is time for a third IDEOLOGY (which I am working on), but not quite yet time for a Third Party.

Because there is no consensus on what this party should stand for.

First things first.

Left/Right is dead.

Help me come up with a new dichotomy, or at least an adjective to describe what we believe!

socially liberal, fiscally conservative.

re: #27 zombie

Very close to what I briefly entertainted: "The Sanity party."

However: What what I want is not a name for a political party but rather a philosophy, or set of ideologies. Very important distinction.

Objectivists.

How about a party that
takes the property of 49% of the people and redistributes it to the other 51%. That way the party could always stay in power because you could buy the vote of the 51% that is receiving that property.

Think it would work?

I'm surprised, Charles. I thought you didn't approve of advocating for violent revolution on this site. The symbolism of the Boston Tea Party is very, very serious, as this blog explains: [Link: www.thenewpamphleteers.blogspot.com...]

"Across the country, the "Tea Party" movement is spreading. Anti-stimulus protests in Arizona, Washington State, Kansas, Georgia, and elsewhere are popping up, and of course CNBC's Rick Santelli has become an instant folk hero after calling for a Chicago Tea Party. But if we're going to compare our actions to those brave Bostonians of 1773, we should really take a look at what their protest meant, and what happened afterwards. To simply compare ourselves to those men and women, without truly understanding what they did, at the least cheapens our shared history and could lead to consusion (sic) over the motives of this new "Tea Party" movement.

The decision to dump 45 tons of tea into Boston Harbor wasn't made at the spur of the moment. It had been carefully discussed and planned by the leaders of Boston's patriot community. They knew exactly what they were doing when they boarded those three ships and began breaking open the heavy chests filled with tea from the East India Trading Company. They were committing an act of insurrection, not political theater."

Are we prepared to declare an insurrection over these issues?

Tea Party movement seems to be growing

Time: February 27, 2009 from 12pm to 1pm
Location: Chicago, Washington DC, other cities

An email address with further information is located within the article.

is there something wrong with these guys?...what more is there to a platform?

[Link: modernwhig.org...]

I am in tell me how I can sell other Black Americans on it.
No leftist idiots need apply

re: #12 Sharmuta

Thomas Sowell- the constrained vs. unconstrained mindsets.

"Unconstrained?"

Eh...less than compelling, memorability-wise!

re: #27 zombie

Very close to what I briefly entertainted: "The Sanity party."

However: What what I want is not a name for a political party but rather a philosophy, or set of ideologies. Very important distinction.

See Walter's at post #26!

The rational center.

I am all for protesting taxes (a la No Answers. No Taxes), but I am annoyed by the historical misunderstanding of the Boston Tea Party.

It was NOT a protest against taxation. It was a protest FOR tariffs. The tea was thrown into the harbor because Britain had lifted the duties on the East India Company's tea (Tea Act of 1773).

I am not a proponent of economic protectionism, so I am not too keen on perpetuating this image.

re: #4 zombie

It is time for a third IDEOLOGY (which I am working on), but not quite yet time for a Third Party.

Because there is no consensus on what this party should stand for.

First things first.

Left/Right is dead.

Help me come up with a new dichotomy, or at least an adjective to describe what we believe!

Don't want a dichotomy.

Want something more cooperative, complementary.

But if you must, I think it's a matter of the freedom-of versus the freedom-from, freedom-of speech versus freedom-from hunger.

Or, in even more classic terms, whether the ends justify any means.

"T" Party.
Trustworthy.
Truthful.

Postdeluvians?

re: #27 zombie

However: What what I want is not a name for a political party but rather a philosophy, or set of ideologies. Very important distinction.

I suppose "personal responsibility" wouldn't be very popular.

re: #36 Jimmah

Nevermind, it's working again.

re: #35 Sharmuta

Classical Liberalism.

Laissez-Fairists

re: #20 zombie

I'm serious about this. I am in fact struggling to write an essay about my personal political "orientation" (if you can call it that). While it may seem to some to be idiosyncratioc and a weird mishmash of "liberal" and "conservative" ideals, to me it makes perfect sense, and when I look at the currently existing political "poles," what I see is an incomprehensible agglomeration of mutually contradictory statements and ideals within each camp.

I have a feeling that, if a new ideology is very specifically spelled out, many people will agree with it. But my problem is, I have no word for it! Because I need to jettison the ol' left/right nonsense.

Any suggestions? Either an adjective or a noun would suffice.

Charles' neologism "anti-iditoarian" is the starting point, but I don't like the negative phraseology of that. Nor do I want to re-use an existing political term, all of which have been ruined.

I'd suggest that you shelve thinking about a name for that new ideology for the moment and just write down what you ahve in mind.
Once you've formulated it to your satisfaction, a name will suggest itself.

How about The-Other-Two-Parties-Suck Party.

Via Tertians?

re: #41 n in wi

How about a party that
takes the property of 49% of the people and redistributes it to the other 51%. That way the party could always stay in power because you could buy the vote of the 51% that is receiving that property.

Think it would work?

Worked this last time around.

I'm a liberal in the mold our Founders were liberals. Meaning I believe in Liberty- individual rights, and all that those two words entail.

Don't tread on me.

Problem is, too many on the right want to tread on me- just in opposite ways the left does. They are the opposite sides of the same coin. Moral busybodies trying to tell everyone how best to live their lives. I've had enough from them both.

re: #27 zombie

Something along the lines of Traditionalist? Or is tradition to close to Conservative?

re: #4 zombie

I tend to agree. I looked through their material and it seems they might be falling into the same trap as the LLL. This is an opposition movement, they are opposing the stimulus bill without offering their own real world practical solution. They are complaining about the pork but how are they going to remove it from the legislative process? Is it even practical? Where are the economists with alternative stimulus ideas? It's fine to complain but if it's just complaining without solid or practical alternatives it's just pissing in the wind.

re: #24 pingjockey

Common sense?!

An accurate description, but I'm also looking for a word that isn't triumphalist or inherently dismissive of opposing views. Words like "sanity" and "common sense" will be perceived and smug and snooty, I think

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

CTP - The Critical Thinking Party

Sort of the same problem with "Critical Thinking." Also, as mentioned, I'm looking for a name of a philosophy or political stance -- not a party.

re: #46 zombie

No- we would be of the constrained mindset, but I would look into his books for guidance, Z. I think he'll help you get where you're trying to go.

re: #44 albusteve

They seem fine to me but they really don't have much of a track record to judge them by.

re: #60 Sharmuta

I'm a liberal in the mold our Founders were liberals. Meaning I believe in Liberty- individual rights, and all that those two words entail.

Don't tread on me.

Problem is, too many on the right want to tread on me- just in opposite ways the left does. They are the opposite sides of the same coin. Moral busybodies trying to tell everyone how best to live their lives. I've had enough from them both.

Then maybe...

Individualism, Individualist, Rationalist...

I like "rationalism".

re: #60 Sharmuta

I'm a liberal in the mold our Founders were liberals. Meaning I believe in Liberty- individual rights, and all that those two words entail.

Don't tread on me.

Problem is, too many on the right want to tread on me- just in opposite ways the left does. They are the opposite sides of the same coin. Moral busybodies trying to tell everyone how best to live their lives. I've had enough from them both.

I have 'Don't Tread on Me' on a static sticker in my back window of my SUV:
[Link: www.gadsdenandculpeper.com...]

re: #63 zombie
I hear you, just drawing a blank right now.

re: #24 pingjockey

Common sense?!

Hey! Painesiasm

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

GMTA

re: #20 zombie

I'm a combination of libertarian, conservative, and neo-liberal. On economic matters, I favor small government and low taxes. (libertarian). On national security, I favor a strong national defense. (conservative). And to the extent we have government, I want it to work efficiently and effectively. (neo-liberal).

re: #70 katemaclaren

Hey! Painesiasm

It sound like you're hurting or something?

Producers versus consumers.

Growers versus eaters.

Technocrats versus Luddites.

Individualists versus Collectivists.

Intelligent life in the universe versus blue-green pond scum.

How about the "freedom party"

IMHO it is definitely 3rd, big, center party time.

With only two major parties, the nuts on the left and the right each take over a party and the sensible middle has no place to go.

The two main parties are each fatally compromised IMHO.

When, for instance, have you heard of a party expelling a member for corruption or dishonor?

And, one might investigate the Modern Whig party in the context of finding a center party.

There may be more possible parties, I'd like to see a list.

But the people need to have a sensible party.

Go with "Rationalism", zombie.

re: #71 Sharmuta

GMTA

Ok, I agree.

re: #70 katemaclaren
Hey. not bad.

The People's Party
No alliance to Washington or Wall street

Now is the seed-time of liberty, and the steps we take and the words we use will either be recalled triumphantly by our grandchildren, or seen as a sad charade conducted by children who could not muster the strength and conviction of their ancestors.

I'm guessing - the latter?

Now, back to your cucumber and watercress sandwiches. Tea is served!

re: #33 transient

I would like the government out of my wallet, out of my bedroom, out of my doctor's office. I want a financially responsible government.

In theory these are libertarian values but most of the Libertarian candidates have been nutcases. Also, the Libertarian philosophy tends to be isolationist, they do not believe in overseas involvement which is delusional, now more than ever. When the enemy can fly your own airplanes into your own skyscrapers, you can't ignore what's going on outside your borders.

Libs are against environmental regulation as part of a pan-antiregulation position. But if one takes a minimalist attitude towards the Federal government: that it should be responsible at a minimum for currency, national defense, foreign relations, and interstate affairs, then surely environmental concerns such as pollution and water rights, which cross state lines, are concerns of the federal government.

Very good points.

Imagine taking the best aspects of libertarianism, conservatism, and, yes, liberalism, and Constitutionalism, and forging a new "political pole" with which you would be proud to be associated. Simultaneously, jettisoned the nutty or distasteful aspects of contemporary libertarianism, conservativism and liberalism.

What adjective or noun would you use to describe such a viewpoint?

re: #4 zombie

The "Tea Party" looks to me like just another ideology. Problems don't go away just because people don't like to pay taxes.

By the way, the Boston Tea Party was not a protest about taxes, but against British policies that allowed a single company, the East India Company, a tax exemption that allowed it to undercut the market.

Ironically, it was a protest against low prices.

re: #82 zombie

Rationalism

re: #70 katemaclaren

Hey! Painesiasm

Is that some kind of french bread?

re: #80 n in wi

The People's Party
No alliance to Washington or Wall street

Much too strong a connection with communism, sadly.

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Rationalism

The enemy of romanticism?

re: #65 Killgore Trout

They seem fine to me but they really don't have much of a track record to judge them by.

ya gotta start somewhere...reducing corporate tax and federal payroll tax and capital gains tax would pump billions into the economy...fixing the banking system and freeing up money cannot be that difficult...let the 85 of failed morgages go down...I'm not sure this country needs some 2000 page idea to get our economy right...CUT SPENDING AND WASTE

re: #82 zombie

Very good points.

Imagine taking the best aspects of libertarianism, conservatism, and, yes, liberalism, and Constitutionalism, and forging a new "political pole" with which you would be proud to be associated. Simultaneously, jettisoned the nutty or distasteful aspects of contemporary libertarianism, conservativism and liberalism.

What adjective or noun would you use to describe such a viewpoint?

mine

re: #35 Sharmuta

Classical Liberalism.

Many people have suggested that to me, but I am resisting it, because it requires too much explanation. The word "liberalism" is too tainted, even with "classical" appended. I suspect 75% of conservatives will run away screaming from any ideology with "liberal" in the title, no matter how accurate.

how about we revive the Federalist Party? or if not, then I really like the Constitution Party or even better...

The Patriot Party

re: #23 HelloDare

A third party would hand the next few elections to the Democrats. Better to try and reform the Republican party first. But I'm not too optimistic about it.

With the curent crop what is the difference? Democrats and republicans both have spent like a college kid with their first credit card. Sorry but until they get rid of Specter,McCain, and the other old time Republicans there will be no reform.

anti-disestablishment-unicornism.

Since you're thinking of names for a party - what about Taxpayers' Party?

Its inclusive, hints at fiscal conservatism, and is beyond right or left.

re: #70 katemaclaren

Hey! Painesiasm

Bull Moose Party? Okay. I'm kidding. I know this is serious--and you know what? A goood idea. So what about:
The American Party

re: #20 zombie

Freedom/Liberty party

re: #39 bellamags

socially liberal, fiscally conservative.

Good, but... what word would you use to describe such a philsophy? A single, fresh word.

re: #86 debutaunt

Much too strong a connection with communism, sadly.

I see that now.
The Citizen's Party?

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

It sound like you're hurting or something?

hahaha! I am! Laughing.

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

Any new party name needs to be one word of no more than three, and preferably two, syllables.

Otherwise nobody will pay any attention to it.

To what?

re: #88 albusteve

8% of failed morgages that is...anyway the ideology is all there...it needs a new marketing structure

re: #92 soxfan4life

That Gov. Of Florida looks like a mess as well.

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

Any new party name needs to be one word of no more than three, and preferably two, syllables.

Otherwise nobody will pay any attention to it.

OMG - where have YOU been?

A lot of us come to LGF because it's an island of sanity in a world gone whacky. It's because we know that here, the rational and reasonable will win out. I think an ideology that can capture this sense of reason would be great. I like "rationalism". I can't think of a better name. People would see "rational" and give it a look, see that it is indeed based on reason and rationality and maybe sign up.

Go with "rationalism", zombie.

re: #40 katemaclaren

Objectivists.

Too tainted with Ayn Rand-isms. While I agree with her in some respects -- not all respects. And there are already people squatting on that ideological domain.

re: #94 yma o hyd

If you make less than a certain amount in this country you don't pay federal taxes, so "taxpayer's party" is already a division causing name, not good IMHO when the country needs to pull together.

Any party that grows large enough to contend for majority will wind up like one of the two major parties. Broad appeal means compromise. Far easier to reform the GOP than start fresh. The GOP needs leadership more than anything.

The real change needs to come to the Constitution. Revoke the income tax, force spending limits except for overwhelming votes in both houses, clarify the 2nd ammendment to state an individual right of gun ownership exists, and maybe balanced budget, term limit, and a campaign reform amendment that doesn't trample free.

re: #91 ghengis was a wuss

how about we revive the Federalist Party? or if not, then I really like the Constitution Party or even better...

The Patriot Party

I like the Patriot Party. However, lately, the word has been so bandied about by survivalists, it may not be good to go.

re: #19 Walter L. Newton

I don't know. There are some comments (two) on that site, one proposing the possibility of civil disobedience and another mentioning war.

I'm not advocating civil disobedience but is there any point at which YOU will say, "No more!"?

I'm sure as hell not going to criticize people who are brave enough to take a stand for what they believe in. We would not exist if it were not for people willing to put their ass on the line.

re: #98 zombie

Good, but... what word would you use to describe such a philsophy? A single, fresh word.

Solib fiscons

re: #44 albusteve

is there something wrong with these guys?...what more is there to a platform?

[Link: modernwhig.org...]

I agree with some of the Modern Whig platforms, but, frankly, their name is atrocious. No one will take the word "whig" seriously in this day and age.

re: #99 n in wi

I see that now.
The Citizen's Party?

Well, this sounds like the French Revolution, to me. Ouch. Off with their heads, citizens.

re: #109 katemaclaren

I like the Patriot Party. However, lately, the word has been so bandied about by survivalists, it may not be good to go.

That was my first thought.

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

Whig - one syllable.

Modern Whig - three syllables.

Original party of Lincoln - historic for a backward looking country, at this point.

There may be other outfits.

re: #81 Cato the Elder

Heh.

re: #99 n in wi

I see that now.
The Citizen's Party?

The Legals!

re: #114 katemaclaren

Well, this sounds like the French Revolution, to me. Ouch. Off with their heads, citizens.

Can we eat cake then?

The Lizard Party.

re: #108 KingKenrod

Any party that grows large enough to contend for majority will wind up like one of the two major parties. Broad appeal means compromise. Far easier to reform the GOP than start fresh. The GOP needs leadership more than anything.

The real change needs to come to the Constitution. Revoke the income tax, force spending limits except for overwhelming votes in both houses, clarify the 2nd ammendment to state an individual right of gun ownership exists, and maybe balanced budget, term limit, and a campaign reform amendment that doesn't trample free.

free speech.

re: #105 Sharmuta

A lot of us come to LGF because it's an island of sanity in a world gone whacky. It's because we know that here, the rational and reasonable will win out. I think an ideology that can capture this sense of reason would be great. I like "rationalism". I can't think of a better name. People would see "rational" and give it a look, see that it is indeed based on reason and rationality and maybe sign up.

Go with "rationalism", zombie.

I would agree. A rational ideology can be applied to many aspects of politics, social issues, finances etc.

It would also isolate the concept from anything that sounds like "conservative" which is similar to some people as saying "fundamentalist."

And it would certainly speak to all sides, all colors, all faiths.

Too soon for a name. What's needed is a platform. The name will come out of the platform.

re: #63 zombie

Ok, Zombie. Everything you have stated so far sounds to me like "The Freedom Party". Freedom from a large, oppressive government, for example

I think a "Classical Liberal" is someone who adores Mozart but hates Wagner.

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

I would agree. A rational ideology can be applied to many aspects of politics, social issues, finances etc.

It would also isolate the concept from anything that sounds like "conservative" which is similar to some people as saying "fundamentalist."

And it would certainly speak to all sides, all colors, all faiths.

I agree- I think it's appeal would be widespread.

re: #74 itellu3times

Producers versus consumers.

Growers versus eaters.

Technocrats versus Luddites.

Individualists versus Collectivists.

Intelligent life in the universe versus blue-green pond scum.

Because producers and growers and technocrats and individuals are better than consumers and eaters and Luddites (whatever that means today) and collectivists (ditto), right?

What's to produce if you have no consumers? What's to grow without someone to eat it? What good is techno-rule if there's no one to rule over? And how can an individual exist without a society?

Don't even get me started on intelligent life. The elitist, money-supremacist, pseudo-Nietzschean devotees of Ayn Rand like Alan Greenspan are largely responsible for the mess we're in.

Tea party! I'll bring the crumpets!

re: #110 Wendya

I'm not advocating civil disobedience but is there any point at which YOU will say, "No more!"?

I'm sure as hell not going to criticize people who are brave enough to take a stand for what they believe in. We would not exist if it were not for people willing to put their ass on the line.

My point being, Charles doesn't want any of that sort of talk here on LGF. I was only pointing out that the link above will bring you to some comments that Charles himself would not allow here.

re: #45 Afrocity

I am in tell me how I can sell other Black Americans on it.
No leftist idiots need apply

Please, yes! Once we have a name for this thing, I'd love to have you aboard, and to do whatever you can to bring in Black Americans -- and every other color as well!

One of my main planks will be anti-racism.

ok, if Patriot Party has been ruined, I like Freedom Party. But maybe we can re-spin Patriot Party and use that "HOLD THE LINE" scene from Mel Gibson's The Patriot? I actually love HOLD THE LINE as our version of the "Hope & change" mantra

re: #85 itellu3times

Is that some kind of french bread?

You guys are KILLING me, here! hahaha. okay, I surrender, no more allusions to Thomas Paine.

re: #123 HelloDare

Too soon for a name. What's needed is a platform. The name will come out of the platform.

Can we keep reproduction out of it?

re: #20 zombie

I'm serious about this. I am in fact struggling to write an essay about my personal political "orientation" (if you can call it that). While it may seem to some to be idiosyncratioc and a weird mishmash of "liberal" and "conservative" ideals, to me it makes perfect sense, and when I look at the currently existing political "poles," what I see is an incomprehensible agglomeration of mutually contradictory statements and ideals within each camp.

I have a feeling that, if a new ideology is very specifically spelled out, many people will agree with it. But my problem is, I have no word for it! Because I need to jettison the ol' left/right nonsense.

Any suggestions? Either an adjective or a noun would suffice.

Charles' neologism "anti-iditoarian" is the starting point, but I don't like the negative phraseology of that. Nor do I want to re-use an existing political term, all of which have been ruined.

You might want to consider a name L. Neil Smith came up with in his book The Probability Broach: the Propertarian Party.

They have a poster that I'd like to get if it existed in real life: the Bill of Rights, overprinted in red with "Void where Prohibited by Law".

re: #27 zombie

Very close to what I briefly entertainted: "The Sanity party."

However: What what I want is not a name for a political party but rather a philosophy, or set of ideologies. Very important distinction.

Freedom

from government
to do as I please
to keep what I earn
to help who I choose

re: #112 zombie

Ah, people might just accept the name because it is historic, and it sidesteps any divisiveness which you might get from "who founded that party!" in this day and age when all "groups" have opposing groups.

What a mess there is right now.

The American Founders Party
- Limited government
- Limited taxes
- Unlimited potential

re: #124 jjmckay1216

Ok, Zombie. Everything you have stated so far sounds to me like "The Freedom Party". Freedom from a large, oppressive government, for example

The Peace and Freedom nuts ruined it.

re: #107 Ojoe

If you make less than a certain amount in this country you don't pay federal taxes, so "taxpayer's party" is already a division causing name, not good IMHO when the country needs to pull together.

But thats just it - people who don't pay taxes need to be reminded that the money they get is not growing on trees but comes through the hard work of their fellow citizens.
If you want to instill responsibility in people they need to be treated as responsible people and not as some idiots who just need another handout or two so that they go away.

I know its a thorny issue, but if its not addressed upfront and with honesty, you'll have everybody whining and moaning that you only want to take their (unearned) dosh away ...

Let me know when the Rationalist Party starts up- I'll run for chair.

re: #131 katemaclaren

You guys are KILLING me, here! hahaha. okay, I surrender, no more allusions to Thomas Paine.

Thomas Paine? I thought you were making some sort of odd satirical reference to window panes?

Big Difference - This is taxation WITH representation.

How about the creationists party? All the freaks can jump over there and we get the GOP Party back.

re: #98 zombie

Good, but... what word would you use to describe such a philsophy? A single, fresh word.

Centerist
Fiscal
Freedom
Libertarian would be cool, but taken already.
Independence

re: #137 buzzsawmonkey

"Whig" is too historical for today's history-challenged populace. And there needs to be a name that doesn't sound like it is looking backwards. "The Future Party" sounds stupid--but any name that will be successful will be something which sounds about that stupid, i.e., "forward-looking", "optimimistic," and above all, simple and pithy.

Whig 2.0 ?

re: #143 HoosierHoops

How about the creationists party? All the freaks can jump over there and we get the GOP Party back.

I've had that idea myself.

re: #130 ghengis was a wuss

ok, if Patriot Party has been ruined, I like Freedom Party. But maybe we can re-spin Patriot Party and use that "HOLD THE LINE" scene from Mel Gibson's The Patriot? I actually love HOLD THE LINE as our version of the "Hope & change" mantra

How about "Back to the future..." oh wait.

A third party historically very rarely succeeds. It's far easier to convert or turn an existing party to a different direction. The "Progressives" (socialists) were very successful in turning the democrat party.

re: #82 zombie

Centrist?

re: #86 debutaunt

re: #80 n in wi

The People's Party
No alliance to Washington or Wall street

Much too strong a connection with communism, sadly.

Folk's Party - that any better?

sorry - couldn't resist. Back to my dinner.

re: #48 HelloDare

The rational center.

The reason I reject anything involving the word "center" or "middle" in that either one acknowledges the reality of the "left/right" dichotomy. I am not in the "center" between left and right -- I am standing all alone off by myself, and I view both of those positions as out in la-la land.

Responsible Party?

re: #143 HoosierHoops

The GOP is gone. You should see the automatic hatred it engenders in the minds of the lefties around me. There are a lot of them, they'll never join.

Both parties are fatally compromised IMHO.

We're fed up with this shit party. Too long I know. But it's true.

0bama and the Democrats grab for unchecked partisan control over the conduct of the next census is criminal. Skillful manipulation of the census could make the decisive contribution to establishing an electorally unchallengeable party monopoly, which would then provide the basis for consolidating party dictatorship. If such dictatorship were not part of their agenda, the Obama faction would leave ultimate oversight of the census process where the Constitution places it, in the hands of the legislative branch. As it clearly is part of their agenda, only ignorance or willful stupidity blinds people to Obama's ambition to establish a better tailored version of Soviet-style government in the U.S.
Of course, there may be another name for what keeps some of the so-called Republicans from speaking out about it. Could it be cowardice?

/Alan Keyes

re: #127 Cato the Elder

And how can an individual exist without a society?

Did that just erupt from your keyboard or did you actually give it serious thought?

Good grief.

re: #148 Wendya

A third party historically very rarely succeeds. It's far easier to convert or turn an existing party to a different direction. The "Progressives" (socialists) were very successful in turning the democrat party.

What happens with third parties is they usually do have some success, and kill off an existing party to bring us back to the 2 party system. I think it's time for a party of rational, reasonable people to stand up to all this nonsense from the other 2 parties.

re: #83 Mardukhai

The "Tea Party" looks to me like just another ideology. Problems don't go away just because people don't like to pay taxes.

By the way, the Boston Tea Party was not a protest about taxes, but against British policies that allowed a single company, the East India Company, a tax exemption that allowed it to undercut the market.

Ironically, it was a protest against low prices.

IIRC, it was also a protest about the colonies being prohibited to trade with each other. Someone in New York who wanted to ship something to Virginia had to send the item by way of London. The shipping monopoly John Company had was a major sore point with the colonists.

re: #136 Racer X

The American Founders Party
- Limited government
- Limited taxes
- Unlimited potential

I like the American Founders Party--but it doesn't sound very attractive to a young person, I'll bet.

re: #120 MandyManners

The Lizard Party.

Too much like "Lemon Party"

re: #150 Jimmah

Folk's party = Volk = Auchtung, no good.

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Don't google it if you don't know what it means.

reclamation party

re: #138 debutaunt

yeah, u may be right.

Sounds like we're entering the CoDominium US

The United States of the CoDominium Era is a welfare state divided into two classes: Citizens and Taxpayers. "Citizens" are welfare dependents who are required to live in walled sections of cities called "Welfare Islands." People are given whatever they need, including the drugs like Borloi to keep them pacified. There are no limits to how long they can stay on welfare, except that they must live in a Welfare Island. Although people are free to gain an education and work or become a colonist, many citizens did not, preferring to live their whole lives supported by the government. Generally citizens are uneducated and illiterate. Some BuReLoc involuntary colonists are Citizens. By the late CD era, the Welfare Islands were three generations old. "Taxpayers" are the working, educated, and privileged upper class. They carry identification cards to separate them from Citizens.

re: #50 itellu3times

Don't want a dichotomy.

Want something more cooperative, complementary.

But if you must, I think it's a matter of the freedom-of versus the freedom-from, freedom-of speech versus freedom-from hunger.

Or, in even more classic terms, whether the ends justify any means.

The word "freedom" is indeed very tempting, but everywhere I turn, it's been co-opted by so many groups, again I feel the word is tainted. (Not the concept -- the word.) Both extreme leftists and extreme rightists have parties and ideologies and NGOs using the word "Freedom." It's annoying, but I can't escape the contamination of the word!

re: #164 bellamags

Not bad, but reminds me of water reclamation with connotation of sewer.

How about the "If the house is a-rocking, don't bother knocking" Party?

What is needed is for people to get involved in their local party organization, to serve on district committees and run for local offices, we do not need more parties and we know the worst thing in so-called finance reform was that it weakened the parties and empowered outside money agents or such.

We call it the 'Gunga Din' party in deference to Rick Santelli's accurate description of the 'water carriers' and 'water drinkers' who populate this nation.

Thanks again, Rick.

hopenchange party

re: #168 Ojoe

Not bad, but reminds me of water reclamation with connotation of sewer.

LOL (thats a bunch of crap)

The United Party

re: #164 bellamags

reclamation party

Will be associated with 'recycling', 'green', eco-friendly' ...

Hiya, {bellamags}!

re: #53 transient

I suppose "personal responsibility" wouldn't be very popular.

Responsibiltyism?

I like the concept -- but the word is not ringing my bell.

re: #151 zombie

The reason I reject anything involving the word "center" or "middle" in that either one acknowledges the reality of the "left/right" dichotomy. I am not in the "center" between left and right -- I am standing all alone off by myself, and I view both of those positions as out in la-la land.

Excellent! We either have individual rights or we don't - the mushy centrist view wants to bargain with them.

re: #167 zombie

Whig may be funny but I believe it is untainted.

Plus, humor is good right now.

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

The BYO Party.

Bring your own thoughts, and be your own person.

well, at last! I LOVE this one, Zombie. ...but doesn't it sound a little like, BHO party, Buzzsaw? Yes, I know you're kidding!

An anthem?

All this talk of a party is making me thirsty. Does anyone have rolling papers?

re: #148 Wendya

A third party historically very rarely succeeds. It's far easier to convert or turn an existing party to a different direction. The "Progressives" (socialists) were very successful in turning the democrat party.

That's another good point I've been meaning to bring up. I don't want to be too much of a wet blanket but the electoral college does not work well with 3rd parties. It's virtually impossible.

The Partisans?

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Too much like "Lemon Party"

How about the Nonbloodsuckingcorrupttheivingliarbunchofscumbagasshatsintheworld" Party?

re: #151 zombie

The reason I reject anything involving the word "center" or "middle" in that either one acknowledges the reality of the "left/right" dichotomy. I am not in the "center" between left and right -- I am standing all alone off by myself, and I view both of those positions as out in la-la land.

Yes, but polls show that most people consider themselves in the center. But I see your point. If you want people to think differently about politics, it would be best to ditch the left/right business. Still, a word modifying some form of the word center could do that. So for that reason, I wouldn't rule it out. But again, it's too soon for a name. A platform is needed.

re: #83 Mardukhai

Umm. Not exactly. Read this: [Link: www.thenewpamphleteers.blogspot.com...]

The Boston Tea Party was an act of deliberate defiance of the laws enacted by the British Parliament. The Port of Boston was shut down as a consequence. British troops were quartered in American homes without the consent of Americans. The British response, cruel and oppressive as it was, led directly to the American Revolution.

Are we made of such stuff? What are we prepared to do?

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Don't google it if you don't know what it means.

Hint?

re: #175 yma o hyd

Will be associated with 'recycling', 'green', eco-friendly' ...

Hiya, {bellamags}!

HEY {yma}. it seems every existing word has a negative connotation. We need a new word.

re: #172 bellamags

hopenchange party

I've heard enough of that crap to last a hundred lifetimes. Bellamags, that was too far over the top for me to not down ding you. Sorry.

BBL

My political philosophy starts with "Don't overlook the bleeping obvious."
You can't spend more than you earn.
Save for a rainy day 'cause it will eventually rain.
We all die in the end.
Your gravestone should read "Good Son/Daughter, Good Brother/Sister, Good Father/Mother, Good Friend." (anything else is irrelevent crap)

Let's ruin the Dems...
Toga Party!

re: #182 Killgore Trout

That's another good point I've been meaning to bring up. I don't want to be too much of a wet blanket but the electoral college does not work well with 3rd parties. It's virtually impossible.

Party Pooper.

re: #184 VegasRick

How about the Nonbloodsuckingcorrupttheivingliarbunchofscumbagas shatsintheworld" Party?

Leavemethefuckalone Party.

re: #188 MandyManners

It's one of those innocuous looking links that leads to something shocking. Think "Rick Roll" times 10.

Bachelor Party?

re: #194 Racer X

Party Pooper.

How about the Pooper Party?

re: #189 bellamags

HEY {yma}. it seems every existing word has a negative connotation. We need a new word.

Or a good old one ... Federalists?

Liberty Party
(oh, maybe the Libertarians would be confused).

Liberty Bell party--no. Just thinking aloud.

How about the Philadelphia Party?

re: #190 Perplexed

re: #172 bellamags

hopenchange party

I gave you one back, bella. Some people have no sense of humor.

Good Afternoon Lizards!

re: #199 yma o hyd

Federalist sounds good to me.

Are Collins, Snowe and Specter invited?

re: #198 Killgore Trout

How about the Pooper Party?

The Dems own that.

re: #4 zombie

It is time for a third IDEOLOGY (which I am working on), but not quite yet time for a Third Party.

Because there is no consensus on what this party should stand for.

First things first.

Left/Right is dead.

Help me come up with a new dichotomy, or at least an adjective to describe what we believe!

Virginia would call it Stasism vs. Dynamism, but it didn't catch on at the time of her book.
"The Future and its Enemies"

"Libertarian" and thus by association "Liberty" has forever been tainted as a party name by Rothbard, Raimondo, and Rockwell so that won't work.

Republican Renaissance is too much of a mouthful. Let me think on it.

#199 I agree I already suggested that...I know The Fred would be on board...

re: #56 yma o hyd

I'd suggest that you shelve thinking about a name for that new ideology for the moment and just write down what you ahve in mind.
Once you've formulated it to your satisfaction, a name will suggest itself.

I'm actually already at that point. I have formulated it -- but the name is still elusive.

That's why I asked for suggestions. I don't want to publish an essay while still lacking a name to describe what I'm talking about.

However, as you say, I may end up doing that. Because I may never find a name. I'll let the "marketplace of neologisms" come up with a name for me.

Problem is, I fear that my political opponents will take the opportunity to name my ideology for me, and thereby gain the upper hand, by appending a discrediting word to my ideals.

I just got wind that CUPE (Canadian Union of Public Employees) Ontario has passed their anti-Israel motion in Windsor... Israeli's must denounce Israel or they will not be permitted to teach.

Anybody have more details?

re: #6 Taqyia2Me

The 'Not Insane' party?

[Link: www.firesigntheatre.com...]

Not Responsible!

Something against the status quo from both parties...

No more business as usual...

New beginning(s)?

Fresh start?

connections?

just throwing stuff out there...

re: #180 MandyManners

feeling like just another brick in the wall?

Everyone who is dinging me down for #172 needs to lighten up. Sheesh.

re: #57 HelloDare

How about The-Other-Two-Parties-Suck Party.

Now we're getting somewhere!

re: #203 pat

Are Collins, Snowe and Specter invited?

Are they bringing their own rope?

re: #201 Ford_Prefect

re: #172 bellamags

I gave you one back, bella. Some people have no sense of humor.

Good Afternoon Lizards!

Thanks.

re: #200 katemaclaren

Liberty Party
(oh, maybe the Libertarians would be confused).

Liberty Bell party--no. Just thinking aloud.

How about the Philadelphia Party?

The Philadelphia Story was funnier.

Rationalist.

No one has hijacked the term yet! And it's easy enough for people to understand where we're coming from without looking much deeper, yet when they do look deeper the rationality would shine through.

When that party comes along, I'll know I have a new home politically.

If it hasn't been suggested yet, I have always liked the Constitution Party. Get back to basics.

I'm coming up empty on a name, but may I suggest a plank in the platform regarding immigration? Strict enforcement at the employment level, fast-track deportation of criminals, speedy resolution of all deportation cases, improved border security. At the same time, make a policy of favoring educated immigrants and those who have money to invest here, reduce chain migration to spouse and children only, and streamline the legal immigration process so it doesn't take 5 years for a qualified immigrant to get a visa. A five-year moratorium on certain classes of visa, such as H1-B and especially H2-B, might not be a bad idea in the current economic climate.

re: #203 pat

Not only no, but HELL NO!

re: #151 zombie

Gingrich actually says that the conventional left/right dichotomy isn't working for Americans. He says, for example, that the U.S. government can't find 12 million illegal aliens, but that FedEx can. The U.S. government is failing to serve the citizens. It isn't effective.

re: #212 bellamags

Everyone who is dinging me down for #172 needs to lighten up. Sheesh.

I took it back. It's just that everytime I hear that phrase I want to puke.

re: #208 Joo-LiZ

I just got wind that CUPE (Canadian Union of Public Employees) Ontario has passed their anti-Israel motion in Windsor... Israeli's must denounce Israel or they will not be permitted to teach.

Anybody have more details?

Good lord. Did they come out in favor of beheadings?

Something that brings back our frontier days.
How about the If-They're-Corrupt-We'll-Shoot-Them Party.

How about the "Common sense' party? It is simple but yet it covers a lot of ground. And it markets itself :) I mean the advertising would work something like this: "if you believe in common sense, then why vote for the other parties?"

re: #219 doppelganglander

I'm coming up empty on a name, but may I suggest a plank in the platform regarding immigration? Strict enforcement at the employment level, fast-track deportation of criminals, speedy resolution of all deportation cases, improved border security. At the same time, make a policy of favoring educated immigrants and those who have money to invest here, reduce chain migration to spouse and children only, and streamline the legal immigration process so it doesn't take 5 years for a qualified immigrant to get a visa. A five-year moratorium on certain classes of visa, such as H1-B and especially H2-B, might not be a bad idea in the current economic climate.

wow (and how are you?) you seem to have that topic handled. You can be the immigration secretary.

The Plough Jogger Party

"I have been greatly abused, have been obliged to do more than my part in the war; been loaded with class rates, town rates, province rates, Continental rates and all rates...been pulled and hauled by sheriffs, constables and collectors, and had my cattle sold for less than they were worth...The great men are going to get all we have and I think it is time for us to rise and put a stop to it, and have no more courts, nor sheriffs, nor collectors nor lawyers."

re: #60 Sharmuta

I'm a liberal in the mold our Founders were liberals. Meaning I believe in Liberty- individual rights, and all that those two words entail.

Don't tread on me.

Problem is, too many on the right want to tread on me- just in opposite ways the left does. They are the opposite sides of the same coin. Moral busybodies trying to tell everyone how best to live their lives. I've had enough from them both.

So correct. And there is so much invested in their worldviews, I feel there will be great opposition to any attempt (such as among the lizard nation) to interfere with their little two-person game.

Which is exactly why we need to name ourselves, and not let others give us a slur as a name.

The Constitution Party? Did someone already suggest this?

Another pitfall of the Tea Party idea: What happens if the stimulus package works? I know that is unthinkable to many but there is a possibility/probability that the economy will recover in the next two year. What then?
The anti-war moonbats never thought that Iraq would be a free and peaceful democracy. It wasn't even within their realm of imagination. They offered to concrete alternative and now they look like idiots.

re: #201 Ford_Prefect

re: #172 bellamags

I gave you one back, bella. Some people have no sense of humor.

Good Afternoon Lizards!

Hi Ford...Good afternoon..I gave Bella an upding also..We need one more lizard to bring her back to neutral..

re: #221 quickjustice

Gingrich actually says that the conventional left/right dichotomy isn't working for Americans. He says, for example, that the U.S. government can't find 12 million illegal aliens, but that FedEx can. The U.S. government is failing to serve the citizens. It isn't effective.

the Fed-Ex Party
Or may be the Ex-Fed Party

Sooner or later a third party will errr, evolve on to the political scene. My concern is that when it does it will not actually be a true alternative party but merely a well funded ploy by one party to play divide & conquer with the other. Time will tell.

It may be time. Trying to get the GOP to divest itself of the Christian Right will be nigh impossible, harder perhaps than the Democrats ditching the unions.

re: #207 zombie

I'm actually already at that point. I have formulated it -- but the name is still elusive.

That's why I asked for suggestions. I don't want to publish an essay while still lacking a name to describe what I'm talking about.

However, as you say, I may end up doing that. Because I may never find a name. I'll let the "marketplace of neologisms" come up with a name for me.

Problem is, I fear that my political opponents will take the opportunity to name my ideology for me, and thereby gain the upper hand, by appending a discrediting word to my ideals.

Yes - that is the danger, that political opponents will define for you, with all that entails.
I think its got to be two-pronged:
* a name for your ideology - and 'Rationalist' would be perfect;
and
* a name for a party based on that - for which 'Rationalist' may be too off-putting.

Gonna think some more ...

re: #61 n in wi

Something along the lines of Traditionalist? Or is tradition to close to Conservative?

Yes, I think it is too close. Because I am not a 'traditionalist," since there is no pre-existing tradition I am hewing to.

re: #178 Ojoe

Whig may be funny but I believe it is untainted.

Plus, humor is good right now.

it's also a real, viable party

re: #167 zombie

The word "freedom" is indeed very tempting, but everywhere I turn, it's been co-opted by so many groups, again I feel the word is tainted.

The definition has been subtly changed. Now, we have "freedom from hunger", "freedom from poverty". etc... "Freedom from oppression" has become freedom from paying your mortgage.

I suggested Via Tertius, but maybe plain English would help: The Third Way, doesn't that sound very zen? That's to go with Z for Zombie. I'm trying, I'm really trying, here.

re: #231 HoosierHoops

Hi Ford...Good afternoon..I gave Bella an upding also..We need one more lizard to bring her back to neutral..

Did my part, see 222.

re: #176 zombie

Self-determination party but I realize it doesn't have a ring to it.

Stupidity Alert.

Beheading of Wife Poses Another Test for U.S. Muslims
The killing and its aftermath raise hard questions for Muslims — about gender issues, about distinctions between cultural and religious practices, and about differing interpretations of Islamic texts regarding the treatment of women.

"Muslims don't want to talk about this for good reason," said Saleemah Abdul-Ghafur, a Muslim author and activist. "There is so much negativity about Muslims, and it sort of perpetuates it. The right wing is going to run with it and misuse it. But we've got to shine a light on this issue so we can transform it."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Now isn't that interesting. Here a Muslim explains that only the "right wing" is concerned about the plight of Muslim women.

And the reporter writes with a straight face that Islam has "different" interpretations about the "treatment" of women. Hmmm "To behead or stone? Such a quandry."

re: #225 chicagodudewhotrades

Shades of Tom Paine. "These are the times that try men's souls." Indeed.

re: #234 rawmuse

It may be time. Trying to get the GOP to divest itself of the Christian Right will be nigh impossible, harder perhaps than the Democrats ditching the unions.

Both parties have unions, one is labor, one is religious.

re: #229 katemaclaren

The Constitution Party? Did someone already suggest this?

I just did at #218. That makes at least 2 of us.

Independence party. ?

Actually, I don't think most of you guys get it.

You're mainly looking for a new take on Libertarianism. Most people are centrists and are concerned with different issues.

If you use the call the party Federalist - most certainly the party leaders would have to explain what Federalist principles are and how much the laws have deviated from the original intent of the Founders.

The name unto itself is an education process.

That's why I think it is the best so far. I would love to hear the questions on the Sunday morning talk shows and from the left.

re: #182 Killgore Trout

That's another good point I've been meaning to bring up. I don't want to be too much of a wet blanket but the electoral college does not work well with 3rd parties. It's virtually impossible.

Good point.

What is needed is a takeover of one of the current parties. Remember the saying "I didn't leave the Democrat party - it left me"? Well it could be a good time to take it back. Or it could be a good time to take back the Republican party.

Either move would have to adhere to the notion of sticking to what's already in the constitution, and the guideline of LESS government.

re: #176 zombie

Responsibiltyism?

I like the concept -- but the word is not ringing my bell.

Have to agree "responsibility" doesn't have a ring to it. "Accountability" is a slightly better. Still not very musical (and too many syllables!) but can bring in idea of fiscal responsibility as well as the idea that the govt is, or at least should be, accountable to its citizens.

Of the other words offered above I think the best are Individualist (although among the center and left that may sound too "survivalist" or right wing) and Rationalist (although that can sound a little smug).

I agree that a lot of the other options--Freedom/Patriot/Liberty have either been used or have political baggage.

I still like the "Classical Liberal" label. I occassionally throw it at my European friends when they try to pigeon-hole Neocons as right-wing zeolots, and I like the way it reclaims the "liberal" term from the anti-liberal socialist usurpers.

re: #228 zombie

So correct. And there is so much invested in their worldviews, I feel there will be great opposition to any attempt (such as among the lizard nation) to interfere with their little two-person game.

Which is exactly why we need to name ourselves, and not let others give us a slur as a name.

Let them try to slur "rational".

re: #234 rawmuse

It may be time. Trying to get the GOP to divest itself of the Christian Right will be nigh impossible, harder perhaps than the Democrats ditching the unions.

Well if the Christian Right would go create their own party - (the creationists party?) - then we could have ours back.

...reaching, reaching..
The Federalists

re: #217 Sharmuta

Rationalist.

No one has hijacked the term yet! And it's easy enough for people to understand where we're coming from without looking much deeper, yet when they do look deeper the rationality would shine through.

When that party comes along, I'll know I have a new home politically.

Its a brilliant name for Zombie's ideology - but as a party name it sounds dry, academic, fuddy-duddy.
Sorry about that - but you know yourself that anything which seems to even hint at making people feel small will not win elections.

re: #226 bellamags

wow (and how are you?) you seem to have that topic handled. You can be the immigration secretary.

Thanks! I'm doing fine. You?

Oh, and I did think of something. The Restoration Party.

re: #45 Afrocity

I am in tell me how I can sell other Black Americans on it.
No leftist idiots need apply

The naturally conservative aspects of the Black Church.

re: #252 Sharmuta

Let them try to slur "rational".

I like that Sharm. Rational party. Can't screw with that.

..although, the Fed-Ex...appeals to my bad to the bone, heart of stone.

re: #230 Killgore Trout

That depends on your definition of "works". If by "works", you mean line the pockets of the labor unions and ACORN, for example, and enlarge the federal bureaucracy at the expense of the private sector, it'll work.

re: #256 doppelganglander

Thanks! I'm doing fine. You?

Oh, and I did think of something. The Restoration Party.

Good one.

re: #212 bellamags

Everyone who is dinging me down for #172 needs to lighten up. Sheesh.

FWIW -Earlier I tried to up-ding a post but it showed up as a down-ding. Using backward logic, I hit the down-ding and ended up giving someone 2 unintentional down-dings. am sorry

re: #239 katemaclaren

I suggested Via Tertius, but maybe plain English would help: The Third Way, doesn't that sound very zen? That's to go with Z for Zombie. I'm trying, I'm really trying, here.

I think that one's already being used.

The Zombie's Party