Open Oscar Thread

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I gotta be honest. My interest in the Academy Awards approaches absolute zero. But I know I’m in the minority, so here’s an open thread for the lizard army to dish…

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1 Timbre  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 8:58:23pm

Defiance!

2 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 8:58:46pm

I actually enjoyed 'em, to my own surprise. I like the new format, with previous winners giving a little address about current nominees.

3 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 8:59:39pm

My interest in the Academy Awards approaches absolute zero Obama.

4 So?  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:00:00pm

re: #1 Timbre

Defiance!

That movie was so Hollywoodized. It looked like the actor who plays James Bond walked off the James Bond set to do a scene here and there in this movie. The casting was terrible.

5 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:00:03pm

Has Al Gore or President Obama won anything yet?

6 Shug  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:00:06pm

I watched the last 10 minutes of it and I wish I could get them back

7 HelloDare  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:00:34pm

It's too long. That's the big problem.

8 Max Darkside  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:00:38pm

I got an Oscar once. Put it into a tank and fed it earthworms. Got pretty big. A lot more interesting to watch than them Holliwoodie elites stroken themselves on TV.

9 TheMatrix31  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:00:47pm

Do I have the go-ahead to repeat my comment here?

10 Jr ewing  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:00:57pm

Sean Penn won for best actor..

11 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:01:05pm

100% agree Charles.

12 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:01:16pm

re: #9 TheMatrix31

Do I have the go-ahead to repeat my comment here?

Go ahead.

13 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:01:24pm

re: #10 Jr ewing

Sean Penn won for best actor..

Puke.

14 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:01:29pm

I only look at red carpet pictures on the internet to see the gowns.

15 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:01:39pm

Gran Torino was the best movie I have seen this year. Slumdog is a good movie though.

16 Silvergirl  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:01:50pm

re: #5 Dar ul Harb

Has Al Gore or President Obama won anything yet?

They've won over the hearts of the crowd in attendance at the awards.

17 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:01:50pm

re: #2 Cognito

I actually enjoyed 'em, to my own surprise. I like the new format, with previous winners giving a little address about current nominees.

But how can you stand to watch all those shallow fawning people fawning over all of those shallow fawning people?

18 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:02:54pm

re: #17 pink freud

But how can you stand to watch all those shallow fawning people fawning over all of those shallow fawning people?

Sounds like the MSM on a daily basis.

19 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:02:58pm

Yay Slumdog!

20 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:03:10pm

re: #17 pink freud

But how can you stand to watch all those shallow fawning people fawning over all of those shallow fawning people?

I can't. It's annoying. But among them, there are scattered a handful of wonderfully talented people.

A handful, as I say.

21 So?  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:03:10pm

re: #6 Shug

I watched the last 10 minutes of it and I wish I could get them back

Don't sit on the toilet seat so long next time, that's should help you recoup your 10 minutes.

22 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:03:26pm

re: #17 pink freud

But how can you stand to watch all those shallow fawning people fawning over all of those shallow fawning people?

Don't forget the self-important, puffed up and pretentious people too

23 Lynn B.  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:03:29pm

re: #10 Jr ewing

Sean Penn won for best actor..

Yeeeuck.

24 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:03:30pm

The only reason I ever watch the Oscars is so I know which movies NOT to watch.

25 Max Darkside  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:03:30pm

My oscar looked like this:

Max's Oscar

26 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:03:37pm

Oscar ain't wearin' no pants.

/check it out

27 KingKenrod  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:03:37pm

I thought the long introductions with multiple presenters for the main awards were terrible. Totally unnecessary.

Jackman was a good host, but I like him and find Australian accents amusing, so I might be biased.

28 TheMatrix31  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:03:45pm

re: #12 Dar ul Harb

Go ahead.

...Fuck Sean Penn.

29 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:03:52pm

I celebrate the fact that I have not seen a single movie nominated for an Oscar. W00t!

30 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:04:12pm

re: #10 Jr ewing

Sean Penn won for best actor..

Wasn't he supposed to leave the United States if Bush got elected? I'm still waiting for the big move. LOL Bet Chavez would roll out the carpet for him.

31 Silvergirl  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:04:39pm

re: #17 pink freud

But how can you stand to watch all those shallow fawning people fawning over all of those shallow fawning people?

I don't know about Cognito, but I'm a people watcher. Shallow, fawning, whatever. It's just an awards show. C'mon.

32 So?  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:04:45pm

The thread is about the Oscars, not Sean Penn. Once is enough.

33 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:04:50pm

I couldn't watch Sean Penn. did he say something about Obama? Universal Health care? His love for communists? Our new brave world?

34 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:04:51pm

re: #27 KingKenrod

I thought the long introductions with multiple presenters for the main awards were terrible. Totally unnecessary.

Jackman was a good host, but I like him and find Australian accents amusing, so I might be biased.

He should have worn the Wolverine Outfit and threatened to slice up anyone that went on too long.

35 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:04:52pm

re: #30 Pvt Bin Jammin

Wasn't he supposed to leave the United States if Bush got elected? I'm still waiting for the big move. LOL Bet Chavez would roll out the carpet for him.

Typical hollywood, all talk, fake action.

36 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:05:08pm
I gotta be honest. My interest in the Academy Awards approaches absolute zero. But I know I’m in the minority, so here’s an open thread for the lizard army to dish...

I watched it only to bash it.

37 Lynn B.  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:05:20pm

re: #11 CynicalConservative

100% agree Charles.

Forgot all about it.

Except I am wondering what won the best "foreign language" film. Did the Israel-bashing Israeli film (which I understand is very good) make the cut?

38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:05:30pm

re: #2 Cognito

I actually enjoyed 'em, to my own surprise. I like the new format, with previous winners giving a little address about current nominees.

So did I. It gave more reasons to watch and it said more about acting in general.

39 Silvergirl  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:05:32pm

re: #26 Killian Bundy

Oscar ain't wearin' no pants.

/check it out

Well heck, that alone is why I watch.

40 USBeast  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:05:35pm

Hollywood continues to show it's complete and utter contempt for its public. I may get hammered for this comment but I believe that had Keith Ledger not died he would not have won.

41 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:05:35pm

re: #28 TheMatrix31

Maybe I should have searched the comments first...

(I'd like to re-order those remarks.)

42 rhythman  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:05:55pm

I loved Gran Torino. Clint Eastwood deserves so much recognition for his body of work.
Sean Penn, please. "Puke" is just too kind. Fuck Sean Penn is much better indeed.

43 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:05:56pm

Intercourse Spicoli!

44 Gus  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:06:03pm

The Oscars: the largest gathering of self congratulatory materialists patronizing each other with pandering rhetoric while pretending to be altruistic non-materialist demigods working for the greater good of mankind.

To that which the Americans respond with idol worship.

Sorry, can't watch.

45 oh_dude  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:06:04pm

I agree with Charles. Snooze-fest. Just a bunch of idealogs patting themselves on the back for three hours.

Remeber way back when these people would simply be court jesters?

46 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:06:08pm

re: #37 Lynn B.

Forgot all about it.

Except I am wondering what won the best "foreign language" film. Did the Israel-bashing Israeli film (which I understand is very good) make the cut?

I only know about it due to discussions here. No clue about specific details at that level.

47 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:06:10pm
48 stevieray  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:06:36pm

Hollywood is boring. They preach only to the choir nowadays. They aren't a force for good anymore, like back in the days of "To Kill A Mockingbird" or "Gentleman's Agreement"... heck, they can't even make good movies about anti-heroes like they did back in the seventies. Preachy PC enviro flapdoodle.

49 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:06:41pm

Favorite Oscar® moment - The Streaker


50 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:06:45pm

Speaking of movies, I watched 'Flight 93' on youtube tonight, powerful stuff.

51 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:06:47pm

re: #40 USBeast

Hollywood continues to show it's complete and utter contempt for its public. I may get hammered for this comment but I believe that had Keith Ledger not died he would not have won.

He gave a really good performance in Dark Knight. That was the creepiest bad guy since Hannibal Lector

52 6pat6  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:06:51pm

Was the annual Hollywood whine-and-cheese fest tonight?

Hollywood sucks.

53 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:07:10pm

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

Intercourse Spicoli!

Milk it for all it's worth.

54 Shug  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:07:12pm

Did Sean Penn go to Venezuala to do background research on politically motivated murders?

55 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:07:12pm

re: #31 Silvergirl

I don't know about Cognito, but I'm a people watcher. Shallow, fawning, whatever. It's just an awards show. C'mon.

I'm a people watcher also. That's just one population that didn't make the cut.

56 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:07:22pm
57 Silvergirl  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:07:24pm

re: #37 Lynn B.

Forgot all about it.

Except I am wondering what won the best "foreign language" film. Did the Israel-bashing Israeli film (which I understand is very good) make the cut?

Foreign language film
WINNER: "Departures," Japan

58 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:07:30pm

Open Oscar Thread

Whats next, an open Big Bird Thread?

//

59 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:08:02pm

re: #44 Gus 802

The Oscars: the largest gathering of self congratulatory materialists patronizing each other with pandering rhetoric while pretending to be altruistic non-materialist demigods working for the greater good of mankind.

To that which the Americans respond with idol worship.

Sorry, can't watch.

I think the media, especially the gossip shows, fuel the whole celebrity worship thing.

60 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:08:10pm

re: #58 sattv4u2

Open Oscar Thread

Whats next, an open Big Bird Thread?

//

copulate Big Bird!

61 jorline  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:08:11pm

Now I forgot what I wrote about Sean Penn that was deleted.

I think it had the word fuck in it.

Sorry about that Charles.

62 6pat6  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:08:11pm

Hollywood. Filled with people that think they matter. I'll pass, thanks.

63 Shug  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:08:16pm

Was Fitna nominated?

/

64 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:08:42pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

So did I. It gave more reasons to watch and it said more about acting in general.

Exactly. I don't care a whit for some actor's thoughts on health care.

But hey. I'm interested in what Philip Seymour Hoffman might have to say about acting.

65 USBeast  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:08:51pm

re: #51 Desert Dog

He gave a really good performance in Dark Knight. That was the creepiest bad guy since Hannibal Lector

Agreed, but would he have won had he not achieved martyr status?

66 Sheepdogess  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:08:51pm

Louis B. Mayor's Hollywood...RIP

67 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:08:58pm

re: #58 sattv4u2

Open Oscar Thread

Whats next, an open Big Bird Thread?

//

Hey Fred, get a look at the drum sticks on this one...:)


/S

68 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:09:04pm

another year of not contributing to HollyWad...feeling pretty good here..Josey Wales was on TV last night...I was glued

69 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:09:11pm

re: #56 ploome hineni

lol

it's called the movies

/fiction

Too bad some of them forget the line between their jobs and the real world.

70 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:09:30pm

re: #47 ploome hineni

cause most of them look really good

Looking good didn't make the cut either.

Good evening, ploome! Nice to see you. :-)

71 stevieray  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:09:36pm

re: #63 Shug

Was Fitna nominated?

/

Yeah... for "Best Heavy Metal Act".

/whoops. wrong waste of time award show.

72 So?  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:09:36pm

re: #44 Gus 802

The Oscars: the largest gathering of self congratulatory materialists patronizing each other with pandering rhetoric while pretending to be altruistic non-materialist demigods working for the greater good of mankind.

To that which the Americans respond with idol worship.

Sorry, can't watch.

It's like any other awards show given by any industry, advertising, magazines, architecture, horsehoe makers/ Ask anyone who HAS to attend those wonderful ceremonies and you'll get the same "puke" reaction. It's just self -masturbatory promotion and it goes on everywhere. Just Hollywood puts out movies that millions go watch. So they tune in.

73 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:09:37pm

re: #51 Desert Dog

He gave a really good performance in Dark Knight. That was the creepiest bad guy since Hannibal Lector

Indeed. For my money The Dark Knight got jipped. It was better than most of the Best Picture Nominees.

74 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:09:46pm

Back in my theatre days, right about now we'd be readying the snipes to add to the movie posters. We, of course, also made outtake snipes.

/winner of . . . awards for . . . best . . . [use your imagination]

75 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:09:47pm

Did Pineapple Express win for anything?

Best stoner movie?

76 Lynn B.  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:10:03pm

re: #46 CynicalConservative

I only know about it due to discussions here. No clue about specific details at that level.

Well, I see that it didn't win. Tough choice for the academy. On the one hand, it was anti-war and (from what I understand) blamed Israel for the Sabra and Shatilla massacres. OTOH, it was an Israeli film.

Not surprised that they just ducked.

77 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:10:05pm

re: #65 USBeast

Agreed, but would he have won had he not achieved martyr status?

I did not see the other movies, so I cannot tell. I know he was great in that role though...

78 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:10:08pm

dyin aint much of a livin boy...

79 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:10:14pm

re: #68 albusteve

another year of not contributing to HollyWad...feeling pretty good here..Josey Wales was on TV last night...I was glued

Hollywad!

Finally after years - it's spreading. ;-)

80 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:10:25pm

re: #63 Shug

In the Hollywood of the Star Trek Mirror Universe maybe.

81 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:10:26pm

re: #2 Cognito

I actually enjoyed 'em, to my own surprise. I like the new format, with previous winners giving a little address about current nominees.

I will agree. I watched the whole thing for the first time in years. Saw a couple of buds in the orchestra, too. As an aside, my house is visible in "Milk". I remember posting about the shoot when it was happening last year. Caught a nice rash about it from some flamers, too.

82 TheMatrix31  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:10:34pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. For my money The Dark Knight got jipped. It was better than most of the Best Picture Nominees.

Which is why I didn't care about the Oscars except for Ledger, and Rourke.

83 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:10:57pm

re: #68 albusteve

another year of not contributing to HollyWad...feeling pretty good here..Josey Wales was on TV last night...I was glued

Now THAT is a movie...and, if I recall, it was nominated and won exactly ZERO academy awards...

84 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:11:02pm

The only thing I like about the Oscars lately is the snarky reviews of what the women wore to the event.

I make a point of not watching the awards telecast. I have also not seen any of the films mentioned in any category this year -- the last movie I saw in an actual theater was Starship Troopers (yuk). The last one before that was The Rocky Horror Picture Show, when they still did the midnight show in Riverside. I have the Audience Participation DVD. I'm happy.

Hollywood has not done anything I want to watch in a very long time.

They need a reminder that what plays in Peoria is more important than they realize.

85 cowbellallen  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:11:09pm

Highlights of the night:

Pineapple Express clip
Ben Stiller acting like Joaquin Phoenix on Letterman
Boob popping out during musical performance
Sean Penn ranting about people who voted against Prop 8
Sean Penn not thanking his super hot wife

86 Lynn B.  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:11:14pm

re: #57 Silvergirl

Foreign language film
WINNER: "Departures," Japan

Thanks, SG.

87 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:11:23pm

re: #68 albusteve

another year of not contributing to HollyWad...feeling pretty good here..Josey Wales was on TV last night...I was glued

I saw Beverly Hills Chihuahua in the theater last year, and that was it.

88 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:11:24pm

re: #79 FrogMarch

Hollywad!

Finally after years - it's spreading. ;-)

typically, I'm leading from behind!

89 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:11:27pm

re: #68 albusteve

another year of not contributing to HollyWad...feeling pretty good here..Josey Wales was on TV last night...I was glued

Sorry, but if it was on cable/ satellite/ you DID contribute to Hollywood. The distributors (owners of the films rights) are mostly studios or the compant that owns them ( i.e. Paramount Distributors, owned by Paramount Pictures)

90 Silvergirl  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:12:44pm

re: #85 cowbellallen

Highlights of the night:

Pineapple Express clip
Ben Stiller acting like Joaquin Phoenix on Letterman
Boob popping out during musical performance
Sean Penn ranting about people who voted against Prop 8
Sean Penn not thanking his super hot wife

See? Not aren't you naysayers all sorry?

91 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:04pm

Gran Torino was snubbed. Mo-F-Kars

92 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:04pm

re: #89 sattv4u2

Sorry, but if it was on cable/ satellite/ you DID contribute to Hollywood. The distributors (owners of the films rights) are mostly studios or the compant that owns them ( i.e. Paramount Distributors, owned by Paramount Pictures)

well I guess you missed the point...thanks for the tech skinny tho

93 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:04pm

re: #82 TheMatrix31

Which is why I didn't care about the Oscars except for Ledger, and Rourke.

I cared a little about Best Picture. I did so because for the first time since LotR the award actually went to a movie with public appeal. Slumdog Millionaire is a movie that may actually end up remembered.

94 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:39pm

I foolishly said on a previous thread that Milk was going to rack up the Oscars, because "gayness" has the highest priority rating among PC Oscar-magnet themes, surpassing "prostitute with a heart of gold" and "Nazis."

Well, someone just told me that "Slumdog Millionaire" has Muslim characters -- and it beat Milk for Best Picture!

So we now have a new champion in the PC sweepstakes!

The new hierarchical ranking of themes-that-guarantee-Oscars are:

Muslims
gayness
Nazis/Holocaust
prostitutes-with-a-heart-of-gold
anti-war
"gimps" and "the disabled"
actors that died the previous year or are on their death beds...

...help me out here. Any other PC categories for winning Academy Awards?

95 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:43pm

re: #87 Ward Cleaver

I saw Beverly Hills Chihuahua in the theater last year, and that was it.

I have a 9 year old, I see every kiddie movie that comes...Oh well, some of them turn out to be pretty good. And, some are unbearable.

96 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:43pm

re: #30 Pvt Bin Jammin

Wasn't he supposed to leave the United States if Bush got elected? I'm still waiting for the big move. LOL Bet Chavez would roll out the carpet for him.

That was Alec Baldwin. He wimped out, as usual.

You'd think at least one of those wusses would have the courage of their convictions.

We can dream, right?

97 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:44pm

re: #87 Ward Cleaver

I saw Beverly Hills Chihuahua in the theater last year, and that was it.

how much did you drop on that?

98 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:48pm

Plus, tonight I found out that Queen Latifa can really sing. I mean like a real standard ballad. She did a fine job.

99 Gus  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:55pm

re: #81 rawmuse

I will agree. I watched the whole thing for the first time in years. Saw a couple of buds in the orchestra, too. As an aside, my house is visible in "Milk". I remember posting about the shoot when it was happening last year. Caught a nice rash about it from some flamers, too.

That's cool. Sorry about the "rash." I can imagine how tough those MIT grads were.

100 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:55pm

A FUNNY MOMENT WITH ROBIN WILLIAMS AT THE OSCARS


101 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:58pm

re: #81 rawmuse

I will agree. I watched the whole thing for the first time in years. Saw a couple of buds in the orchestra, too. As an aside, my house is visible in "Milk". I remember posting about the shoot when it was happening last year. Caught a nice rash about it from some flamers, too.

I thought they were pretty good this year myself. Hope my background singer buddy got the gig again. He always has. You never see him, he has to wear a tux but sit in a little closet studio type thing offstage or underground somewhere.

102 darkster2400  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:13:58pm

i agree - who cares - spent the evening reading Power Faith & Fantasy by Michael Oren - much better use of time IMHO

103 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:14:05pm

I really don't care to watch Hollywood praise Hollywood. One movie I thought was surprisingly good and historically accurate was Valkyrie. Didn't even get a nomination.

104 So?  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:14:13pm

re: #82 TheMatrix31

Which is why I didn't care about the Oscars except for Ledger, and Rourke.

I think Ledger and Rourke sucked. Too cliché for me. Rourke sounded like Rocky Balboa. Ledger's act got tiresome after 10 minutes. Don't see what all the fuss was about. Seems death raises your Karma points a few notches. Reminds me of Jim Croce, the singer. Never heard of him, never knew anybody who liked his music. But after hus death he was #1 in the charts. Sheeeple.

105 Shug  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:14:34pm

re: #94 zombie

I foolishly said on a previous thread that Milk was going to rack up the Oscars, because "gayness" has the highest priority rating among PC Oscar-magnet themes, surpassing "prostitute with a heart of gold" and "Nazis."

Well, someone just told me that "Slumdog Millionaire" has Muslim characters -- and it beat Milk for Best Picture!

So we now have a new champion in the PC sweepstakes!

The new hierarchical ranking of themes-that-guarantee-Oscars are:

Muslims
gayness
Nazis/Holocaust
prostitutes-with-a-heart-of-gold
anti-war
"gimps" and "the disabled"
actors that died the previous year or are on their death beds...

...help me out here. Any other PC categories for winning Academy Awards?


dead people

106 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:14:42pm

re: #92 albusteve

well I guess you missed the point...thanks for the tech skinny tho

I got the point. But by thinking that NOT going to a movie theater and seeing a first run Hollywood film means you are somehow boycotting Hollywood is incorrect

107 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:14:47pm

re: #91 FrogMarch

Gran Torino was snubbed. Mo-F-Kars

No surprise. Clint Eastwood told truths in that movie that most of Hollywood does not want to hear. The idea that evil must be met with armed force is anathema to them.

108 USBeast  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:14:50pm

I'm out'a here. Gotta go vehicle shopping in the morning. Wish me luck.

109 Shug  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:15:02pm

re: #105 Shug

oops. never mind, missed it

110 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:15:31pm

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that we had a dowsing meltdown today.

111 traderjoe9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:15:31pm

re: #4 So?

That movie was so Hollywoodized. It looked like the actor who plays James Bond walked off the James Bond set to do a scene here and there in this movie. The casting was terrible.

That movie was excellent in one respect - it showed (for once) that the people living in the territories occupied by Germany were more than happy to capture and hunt Jews for the Nazis.

112 So?  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:15:38pm

re: #103 Yankee Division Son

I really don't care to watch Hollywood praise Hollywood. One movie I thought was surprisingly good and historically accurate was Valkyrie. Didn't even get a nomination.

I think cause its a Canadian movie. America likes to stroke its own.

113 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:15:39pm

This year, I managed to not see a SINGLE film that was nominated in any category. So I have absolutely no opinion about any of them.

114 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:15:40pm

re: #40 USBeast

Hollywood continues to show it's complete and utter contempt for its public. I may get hammered for this comment but I believe that had Heath Ledger not died he would not have won.

Well, his Joker went to a whole different place than Nicholson's. Would the performance have gotten the same attention if he hadn't died? I don't know, but in watching the movie I wasn't thinking about Heath Ledger. (Of course, I think the last role I saw him in before was in The Patriot.)

115 Gearhead  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:15:45pm

re: #85 cowbellallen


Boob popping out during musical performance

Right in the middle of the song, Alec Baldwin suddenly appeared...

116 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:15:58pm

re: #94 zombie

Kate Winslet won best actress for being a naked Nazi. She did double duty to hedge her bets.

117 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:16:02pm

re: #94 zombie

...help me out here. Any other PC categories for winning Academy Awards?

America bashers.

118 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:16:04pm

re: #84 Steffan

The only thing I like about the Oscars lately is the snarky reviews of what the women wore to the event.

The only thing I care about from the AAs really is which moonbats said what asinine remarks about Republicans, American Foreign Policy, or Corporations acting all "Corporationy". So I can point and laugh and make smart-ass comments about it here and elsewhere.

The last movie I watched in the theater was at least 3 years ago. I'm not too keen on giving those Blame-America-First commies any of my money. (They will figure out some way to steal it from me anyway)

119 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:16:43pm

re: #98 rawmuse

Plus, tonight I found out that Queen Latifa can really sing. I mean like a real standard ballad. She did a fine job.

OMG I have had her jazz standards CD for a couple of years. She's great. My husband didn't want to listen to it because he thought she was a rapper. I just turned it on one night in the car and he had to ask who the great singer was. LOL

120 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:17:06pm

re: #110 Charles

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that we had a dowsing meltdown today.

I just watched Randy's video moments ago. In awhile I'm going to read the thread for entertainment. To save me some time at around what post # do the meltdowns start?

121 Shug  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:17:11pm

re: #94 zombie

I foolishly said on a previous thread that Milk was going to rack up the Oscars, because "gayness" has the highest priority rating among PC Oscar-magnet themes, surpassing "prostitute with a heart of gold" and "Nazis."

Well, someone just told me that "Slumdog Millionaire" has Muslim characters -- and it beat Milk for Best Picture!

So we now have a new champion in the PC sweepstakes!

The new hierarchical ranking of themes-that-guarantee-Oscars are:

Muslims
gayness
Nazis/Holocaust
prostitutes-with-a-heart-of-gold
anti-war
"gimps" and "the disabled"
actors that died the previous year or are on their death beds...

...help me out here. Any other PC categories for winning Academy Awards?


I have a new blockbuster.
Sure to make us BILLIONS.

It's the story of a holocaust denying gay muslim prostitute with a heart of gold, who has a club foot and is slated for execution .

122 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:17:13pm

re: #37 Lynn B.

Departures (Japan) won. It is about an unemployed classical musician who goes to work at the morgue.

123 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:17:14pm

I watched "Dark Knight" at my home theater and the soundtrack blew out my sub woofer. Just got the new one. I was pissed about that. But, I upped the arms race to a nice Polk Audio sub woof. Try blowing THAT one out, Hollywood.

124 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:17:14pm

re: #106 sattv4u2

I got the point. But by thinking that NOT going to a movie theater and seeing a first run Hollywood film means you are somehow boycotting Hollywood is incorrect

I saw Josey at the theater...I go to a movie once in a while...not often tho..it's a passive boycott...I do what I want and don't make excuses for it

125 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:17:37pm

re: #110 Charles

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that we had a dowsing meltdown today.

Over/Under for the oscar meltdown?

126 Gus  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:17:56pm

re: #110 Charles

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that we had a dowsing meltdown today.

Probably because it kind of attached to farming fables and "practices" across the American landscape.

127 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:18:02pm

re: #116 Scion9

Kate Winslet won best actress for being a naked Nazi. She did double duty to hedge her bets.

Naked Nazi? Damn, no wonder she won.

So: The Reader was a remake of Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS?

128 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:18:07pm

The Dallas Morning News did a puff piece article on Kwame Kilpatrick's wife today. The commenters weren't buying it, especially the ones in Detroit.

129 Gozer the Carpathian  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:18:11pm

ZZZzzz *Snort* Wa? What? The Oscars were tonight? Oh darn I missed them.

ZZzzz

130 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:18:19pm

re: #113 zombie

This year, I managed to not see a SINGLE film that was nominated in any category. So I have absolutely no opinion about any of them.

This year I managed to not work on any of them. First time in about 12 years.

131 gwillie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:18:33pm

No! I'm not watching, period.

132 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:18:34pm

re: #125 CynicalConservative

Over/Under for the oscar meltdown?

around post 250 this will turn into either a Beck/ ID/ Jindal rant!

133 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:18:44pm

Bob Hope, best movie line:

134 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:18:48pm

re: #110 Charles

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that we had a dowsing meltdown today.

Just don't touch my Faith Healing hobby...that'll be fightin' words...I may have to cast out some demons

135 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:19:09pm

re: #85 cowbellallen

Highlights of the night:

Pineapple Express clip
Ben Stiller acting like Joaquin Phoenix on Letterman
Boob popping out during musical performance
Sean Penn ranting about people who voted against Prop 8
Sean Penn not thanking his super hot wife

The boob shot will be on YouTube before midnight tonight, if it isn't there now.

The rest I can live without, especially Spicoli ranting about Prop 8.

Which boyfriend do you think he wanted to marry?

136 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:19:20pm

re: #134 Desert Dog

Just don't touch my Faith Healing hobby...that'll be fightin' words...I may have to cast out some demons

Matt Damons?

137 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:19:22pm

re: #10 Jr ewing

Sean Penn won for best actor..

Milk: It does a body good.

138 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:19:24pm

re: #132 sattv4u2

around post 250 this will turn into either a Beck/ ID/ Jindal rant!

Hope not to be awake that long.

139 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:19:29pm

re: #125 CynicalConservative

;) Yawn, this is sooo boring, blah blah yadda yadda. You really should be posting X instead of Y. The Oscars are only a theory!

/ Do I really need to?

140 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:19:36pm

I used to live in the Hollywierd Hills, just north of this "extravaganza". It was always marked on the callendar as a "get out of town" weekend. You wouldn't BELIEVE what the city goes through for this BS. Gridlock, is putting it mildly.

141 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:19:37pm
142 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:19:52pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

No surprise. Clint Eastwood told truths in that movie that most of Hollywood does not want to hear. The idea that evil must be met with armed force is anathema to them.

not to mention the entire film is non-PC. Equal opportunity non-PC. I loved it.
Plus - Clint Eastwood isn't a bleeding heart proggie.

143 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:19:55pm

re: #121 Shug

I have a new blockbuster.
Sure to make us BILLIONS.

It's the story of a holocaust denying gay muslim prostitute with a heart of gold, who has a club foot and is slated for execution .

Damn, I want to invest in the production of that movie. Where do I sign up?

144 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:20:02pm

re: #139 Dan G.

;) Yawn, this is sooo boring, blah blah yadda yadda. You really should be posting X instead of Y. The Oscars are only a theory!

/ Do I really need to?

Woot! +1

145 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:20:11pm

re: #136 sattv4u2

Matt Damons?

Sure, I can cast him out too, If you'd like

146 So?  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:20:25pm

re: #111 traderjoe9

That movie was excellent in one respect - it showed (for once) that the people living in the territories occupied by Germany were more than happy to capture and hunt Jews for the Nazis.

The extras were all realistic, but the main actors ruined the whole movie for me. One brother wore a tailored brown leather jacket, the other was an action superhero who was a perfect shot. Be nice if someone redid the movie with no-name actors. Even James Bond's (can't remember his real name) girlfriend looked like a supermodel. Pathetic casting. It can and does ruin a good movie.

147 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:20:48pm

re: #98 rawmuse

Plus, tonight I found out that Queen Latifa can really sing. I mean like a real standard ballad. She did a fine job.

Oh, I thought she was wonderful! I got a bit teary over Paul Scofield and Paul Newman, though.

148 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:20:57pm

Charles! Stop! This blog has nothing but Academy Award posts! You're obsessed! I hate you hate you hate you! Burn in hell! I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Demille!

149 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:20:58pm

Waiting for Pandora to play a song I don't like so I can check out and sleep. I will probably be here for a while.

150 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:21:13pm

re: #145 Desert Dog

Sure, I can cast him out too, If you'd like

great,, take ben AFLAC with him

151 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:21:39pm

re: #94 zombie

I foolishly said on a previous thread that Milk was going to rack up the Oscars, because "gayness" has the highest priority rating among PC Oscar-magnet themes, surpassing "prostitute with a heart of gold" and "Nazis."

Well, someone just told me that "Slumdog Millionaire" has Muslim characters -- and it beat Milk for Best Picture!

So we now have a new champion in the PC sweepstakes!

The new hierarchical ranking of themes-that-guarantee-Oscars are:

Muslims
gayness
Nazis/Holocaust
prostitutes-with-a-heart-of-gold
anti-war
"gimps" and "the disabled"
actors that died the previous year or are on their death beds...

...help me out here. Any other PC categories for winning Academy Awards?

Depends on the category. If you're talking about Best Picture, I think race, murder and suburban ennui head the pack.

If you're looking at the list for Best Documentary, the Holocaust pretty well dominates.

Cinematography? It's typically a movie set in some far-flung place or time.

My take, anyway.

152 Shug  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:21:39pm

I think they should teach The Academy Awards and the Golden Globes.

let the kids decide

153 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:21:41pm

re: #148 Charles

Charles! Stop! This blog has nothing but Academy Award posts! You're obsessed! I hate you hate you hate you! Burn in hell! I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Demille!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

154 Silvergirl  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:21:45pm

re: #148 Charles

Charles! Stop! This blog has nothing but Academy Award posts! You're obsessed! I hate you hate you hate you! Burn in hell! I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Demille!

LOL! What fun mail you get!

155 theheat  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:22:00pm

re: #98 rawmuse

She's always been a talented singer. Hand her a good song, and she can sing it. Unfortunately, a lot of the music she chooses to sing, the stuff she became famous for, doesn't float my boat. In spite of that, I really like her as a performer. (That, and she usually dresses well for big events.)

156 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:22:20pm

re: #133 pink freud

Bob Hope, best movie line:

Without watching...

"You mean Democrats?"

157 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:22:26pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

great,, take ben AFLAC with him

I am good, but not that good...I think you will need an old priest and a young priest and a 50 gallon drum of holy water to get rid of that one...

158 ErnieG  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:22:28pm

re: #26 Killian Bundy

Oscar ain't wearin' no pants.

/check it out

Like Donald Duck?

159 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:22:53pm

re: #145 Desert Dog

Sure, I can cast him out too, If you'd like

moonbat actors are castable

160 Sharmuta  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:23:00pm

re: #152 Shug

I think they should teach The Academy Awards and the Golden Globes.

let the kids decide

What are you?! Some sort of SAG Award denialist?!

161 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:23:03pm

re: #158 ErnieG

Like Donald Duck?

And Porky Pig?

162 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:23:18pm

'Night, all.

163 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:23:23pm

G'night, y'all.

164 DistantThunder  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:23:23pm

re: #146 So?

The extras were all realistic, but the main actors ruined the whole movie for me. One brother wore a tailored brown leather jacket, the other was an action superhero who was a perfect shot. Be nice if someone redid the movie with no-name actors. Even James Bond's (can't remember his real name) girlfriend looked like a supermodel. Pathetic casting. It can and does ruin a good movie.

The book is phenomenal. 50 times better than the movie and I enjoyed the movie. The book is Anne Frank on steroids.

165 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:23:36pm

re: #148 Charles

Charles! Stop! This blog has nothing but Academy Award posts! You're obsessed! I hate you hate you hate you! Burn in hell! I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Demille!

thats just funny,,,maybe it's me

166 Dan G.  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:23:39pm

I used to be a BIG fan of this blog, but now you're just catering to the Islamohollywooddarwinnazi's. What about improtatn things lik Zerobama's nirf certifictk

/ I'm having too much fun with this... I'm done ;)

167 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:23:45pm

re: #130 rawmuse

I saw all but Milk--even the animated films! My 11-year old and I love to see all the new kids' movies, too.
I refused to see Milk, though. Most depressing of these was Revolutionary Road. The Reader was good--but I didn't like the book, so I was surprised. Benjamin Button was good--and most especially the woman who played Benjamin's mother--she should have had that Oscar instead of Penelope.

168 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:23:57pm

I'm just mad that they had Aniston skip the red carpet, so that we missed our red-carpet slap down.

Really, panning on Brad & Angelina during her talk was too much.

169 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:24:03pm

re: #155 theheat

I can't chew the hip hop stuff, but I loved her in "Chicago".

170 FrogMarch  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:24:07pm

nightie.

171 capitalist piglet  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:24:21pm

re: #121 Shug

I have a new blockbuster.
Sure to make us BILLIONS.

It's the story of a holocaust denying gay muslim prostitute with a heart of gold, who has a club foot and is slated for execution .

Was this person ever homeless?

172 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:24:22pm

re: #161 Dustyvet

And Porky Pig?

173 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:24:23pm

re: #148 Charles

Charles! Stop! This blog has nothing but Academy Award posts! You're obsessed! I hate you hate you hate you! Burn in hell! I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Demille!

Are you having a meltdown? Hmmm?

174 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:24:40pm

re: #94 zombie

I've noticed lately that films that make out like bandits at the box office aren't even considered for the Academy Awards.

Oscar nominees tend to be films that don't even make enough to cover their production costs. That they are PC seems to be more important than if they made money.

Studios being businesses, after all, you'd think that they'd want to reward the films that allow them to remain in business...

175 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:24:52pm

re: #112 So?

I think cause its a Canadian movie. America likes to stroke its own.

United Artists/MGM is Canadian?

176 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:25:20pm

re: #171 capitalist piglet

Was this person ever homeless?

...and Meryl Streep can play this part perfectly--the goddess.

177 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:25:26pm

I liked "the Wrestler". and "Tropic Thunder" was too damn funny.

178 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:25:43pm

re: #173 katemaclaren

Are you having a meltdown? Hmmm?

Newsflash! Charles bans himself for posting oscar thread.

//

179 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:25:44pm
180 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:25:54pm

re: #148 Charles

Charles! Stop! This blog has nothing but Academy Award posts! You're obsessed! I hate you hate you hate you! Burn in hell! I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Demille!

LMAO!

181 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:25:57pm

re: #156 Noam Sayin'

Without watching...

"You mean Democrats?"

Oooh. You're good, Noam. ;P

183 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:26:09pm

re: #121 Shug

I have a new blockbuster.
Sure to make us BILLIONS.

It's the story of a holocaust denying gay muslim prostitute with a heart of gold, who has a club foot and is slated for execution .

This is probably already an episode of South Park.

184 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:26:09pm

re: #169 rawmuse

I can't chew the hip hop stuff, but I loved her in "Chicago".

I loved her in Kansas City...she gets around eh?

185 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:26:12pm

re: #110 Charles

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that we had a dowsing meltdown today.

Like the man said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."

186 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:26:13pm

re: #146 So?

The extras were all realistic, but the main actors ruined the whole movie for me. One brother wore a tailored brown leather jacket, the other was an action superhero who was a perfect shot. Be nice if someone redid the movie with no-name actors. Even James Bond's (can't remember his real name) girlfriend looked like a supermodel. Pathetic casting. It can and does ruin a good movie.

The most recently-made movie I saw was the remake of "The Mist" from a couple years ago, and it had the same actress -- Alexa Davalos. When I saw an ad for "Defiance," I said -- Hey, it's the checkout girl from "The Mist"! But you're right -- she was way too attractive for either role. It actually does undermine the performance and hence the film. "Decent-looking" is OK for a movie, but "supermodel" is just ridiculous.

187 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:26:19pm
188 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:26:39pm

re: #174 Steffan

I've noticed lately that films that make out like bandits at the box office aren't even considered for the Academy Awards.

Oscar nominees tend to be films that don't even make enough to cover their production costs. That they are PC seems to be more important than if they made money.

Studios being businesses, after all, you'd think that they'd want to reward the films that allow them to remain in business...

Actually the opposite is typically true. The Oscars overlook many fine works in favor of money-makers.

More popularity contest, too often, than commendation for actual merit.

189 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:26:43pm

re: #181 pink freud

Oooh. You're good, Noam. ;P

And when I'm bad, I'm even better.

190 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:27:23pm

re: #110 Charles

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that we had a dowsing meltdown today.

"You don't believe me? Truth is stranger than fiction.
We drive through there every day."

Jagger-Richards -Too Much Blood

191 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:27:59pm

re: #172 Dustyvet

[Video]

192 Colonel Panik  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:28:12pm

re: #115 Gearhead

Right in the middle of the song, Alec Baldwin suddenly appeared...

"Radies an genremen, Mistah Arec Baaahwin!"

193 Desert Dog  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:28:15pm

The Oscars have long been taken over and politicized by the left. Same as the Nobel Peace Prize. Even if someone who actually deserves to win, actually wins, it is cheapened by the entire process...

194 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:28:17pm

re: #152 Shug

I think they should teach The Academy Awards and the Golden Globes.

let the kids decide

F*ck you! What PROOF do you have that the Golden Globes exist? Have anybody ever seen a Golden Globe broadcast! Of course not! It's just a theory!

195 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:28:21pm

I haven't seen any of the nominated movies but I loved the musical score from "Defiance". Sorry it didn't win.

196 solomonpanting  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:28:33pm

I understand viewership had been down for previous Oscar shows. Did this one have a stimulus package?

197 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:28:36pm

re: #116 Scion9

Kate Winslet won best actress for being a naked Nazi. She did double duty to hedge her bets.

OK, I'll grant you that: Kate Winslet naked is worth paying to see.

198 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:28:39pm

Kate Winslet was more attractive when she was chunkier. There was an authenticity to her figure that really appealed to me.

Now she's just another gaunt, emaciated Hollywood scarecrow.

199 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:29:05pm

Not watching - or watched - is is over?

200 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:29:15pm

re: #189 Noam Sayin'

And when I'm bad, I'm even better.

That's what they all say.

201 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:29:33pm

re: #199 Cattt

Not watching - or watched - is is over?

We can only hope.

202 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:29:58pm
203 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:30:35pm

re: #202 ploome hineni

I think he has references

I think you're right.

204 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:30:37pm

re: #199 Cattt

Not watching - or watched - is is over?

The main event is over but the Barbara WaWa post oscar show is still on I believe...changed the channel.

205 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:30:41pm

re: #133 pink freud

Bob Hope, best movie line:


Definitely a keeper.

206 xango annie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:30:48pm

#104 OK those are fightin' words...I loved Jim Croce...still do...
Glad SlumDog won..wonderful film...hated that the Red Diaper Baby won...knew he would have to snark into Mr. Scold...I was rooting for Mickey...he is a very talented guy and stood up for President Bush recently..Altho, I cannot stand BWalters, I did watch her show tonite..because I wanted to see Hugh Jackman and Mickey...Mickey was actually quite touching...and anyone that loves animals that much is ok with me..his little dog, Loki.(18yrs old) just died this week...

207 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:31:04pm

Steffan,

OK, I'll grant you that: Kate Winslet naked is worth paying to see.



Why pay? Just Google images for the movie Jude.

208 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:31:05pm

re: #110 Charles

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that we had a dowsing meltdown today.

That gives me a sinking feeling. In fact, it's all wet. /

209 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:31:10pm

Hollywood reminds me of today's GOP, replete with tunnel vision and endless preaching to the choir.

210 Shug  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:31:33pm

re: #194 zombie

F*ck you! What PROOF do you have that the Golden Globes exist? Have anybody ever seen a Golden Globe broadcast! Of course not! It's just a theory!

I'm a young globe creationist. I admit it.

211 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:31:49pm

my kids were here for a visit...they dragged me to see 'Wild Pigs" or some such movie because it was made in NM and I should support the economy here...it was a movie about a bunch of over the hill suburban bikers...I dropped like a ton of money on that awful piece of shit...I still resent that day...just an awful movie

212 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:31:49pm

re: #164 DistantThunder

The book is phenomenal. 50 times better than the movie and I enjoyed the movie. The book is Anne Frank on steroids.

One the one hand, I view stories like Defiance as true inspirational stories about fighting evil. However, my love of said stories is tempered by the fact that, given my German ethnic background and personality, had I lived in those places in those days I would have likely been one of the SS sent to murder the Jews. Hitler would have lied and ranted, and I would have believed him and followed him all the way to hell. Thus my cardinal reaction to such stories is to thank God for sending my soul to a place and time where I have been able to be a better man.

213 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:31:54pm

re: #104 So?

I think Ledger and Rourke sucked. Too cliché for me. Rourke sounded like Rocky Balboa. Ledger's act got tiresome after 10 minutes. Don't see what all the fuss was about. Seems death raises your Karma points a few notches. Reminds me of Jim Croce, the singer. Never heard of him, never knew anybody who liked his music. But after hus death he was #1 in the charts. Sheeeple.

I thought Rourke should have won. He was really that good.

By the way, everyone O/T: My MSM newspaper has just made the late news: The Philadelphia Inquirer has declared bankruptcy.

214 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:32:00pm

...but have they given the award for the
"Film With the Smallest Carbon Footprint"?

215 DistantThunder  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:32:11pm

Was the reader based on a true story? It has a very unappealing theme of child rape.

216 Colonel Panik  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:32:19pm

You come up with all the theories you like about why Obama beat McCain...the base didn't turn out, moderates were alienated by the Christian Right, whatever.
I'm firmly convinced McCain lost because Trey and Matt didn't do a sequel to "Team America" for this election year..."Team America 2: Dirka Dirka Ahamdinejad" or "Team America 2: Rise of the Obamination".

217 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:32:26pm

re: #148 Charles

Somebody in desperate need of a life, maybe?

218 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:32:31pm

re: #178 CynicalConservative

Oh, funny! Charles, where are you...Charles? Come back! Curtain call, please.

219 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:32:46pm

re: #188 Cognito

Yes. There are apparently a lot of politics involved as well, and films actually have to be put up for consideration in the first place. There are 'lobbyists' for studios trying to win the awards for their films. I'm sure money changes hands as well.

220 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:33:04pm

re: #215 DistantThunder

The Reader is a novel.

221 CynicalConservative  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:33:42pm

re: #218 katemaclaren

Oh, funny! Charles, where are you...Charles? Come back! Curtain call, please.

I'm telling ya, he's gone. This blog will self destruct in 5..4..3...

222 DistantThunder  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:34:15pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

One the one hand, I view stories like Defiance as true inspirational stories about fighting evil. However, my love of said stories is tempered by the fact that, given my German ethnic background and personality, had I lived in those places in those days I would have likely been one of the SS sent to murder the Jews. Hitler would have lied and ranted, and I would have believed him and followed him all the way to hell. Thus my cardinal reaction to such stories is to thank God for sending my soul to a place and time where I have been able to be a better man.

You would have been one of the young ones that surrendered to the allied forces. I just know it.

223 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:34:17pm

re: #218 katemaclaren

Oh, funny! Charles, where are you...Charles? Come back! Curtain call, please.

you're begging...

224 jaunte  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:34:37pm

re: #214 IslandLibertarian

...but have they given the award for the
"Film With the Smallest Carbon Footprint"?

(sshhh. wouldn't be union)

225 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:34:46pm

re: #221 CynicalConservative

Well, in that case, I'm running for cover--
my bed. Goodnight all!

226 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:34:48pm

re: #223 albusteve

you're begging...

What's wrong with begging!?

227 DistantThunder  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:35:13pm

re: #220 katemaclaren

The Reader is a novel.

I know that, but since it uses a real event of the war, I wondered if it was based on a true story.

228 freetoken  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:35:15pm

re: #110 Charles

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that we had a dowsing meltdown today.

Really? Practicing dowsers? Guess I'll go downstairs and check it out.

Next thing you know, Charles will be dissing the Raelians.

229 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:35:49pm

re: #152 Shug

I think they should teach The Academy Awards and the Golden Globes.

let the kids decide

Oh, right. Teach the popular awards - totally ignore the Tonys.

230 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:36:05pm

re: #226 pink freud

What's wrong with begging!?

it's small...

231 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:36:23pm

re: #227 DistantThunder

I don't know for sure, but I read the book and don't remember reading any blurb that said "based on a true story..." but I could have missed it.

232 MJ  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:36:36pm

Capo column of the month:

What Iran’s Jews Say

What a fucking tool this Cohen is.
Like the Jews of Iran are free to speak their minds without fear of reprisals.
I hate the fucking NYT!

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

233 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:36:46pm

re: #190 IslandLibertarian

"You don't believe me? Truth is stranger than fiction.
We drive through there every day."

Jagger-Richards -Too Much Blood

AKA "You can't make this shit up."

234 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:37:06pm

re: #215 DistantThunder

Was the reader based on a true story? It has a very unappealing theme of child rape.

No it is not based on a true story. The author is from the generation of the main character; the young boy. The story is an allegory for that generations upbringing under the Nazis, and dealing with the aftermath as adults. The inappropriate relationship between the simpleton Nazi and the bright young man was metaphorical.

235 Shug  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:37:09pm

re: #229 Cattt

Oh, right. Teach the popular awards - totally ignore the Tonys.

If you allow the Tonys in your Childs classroom, the next thing you know they will be teaching your child about the Espys.

Will you be OK with that?

236 katemaclaren  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:37:19pm

Okay, I really mean it this time.
Night Night, everyone.

237 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:37:44pm

re: #230 albusteve

it's small...

Waaay TMI, steve :-)

238 ErnieG  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:38:03pm

re: #121 Shug

I have a new blockbuster.
Sure to make us BILLIONS.

It's the story of a holocaust denying gay muslim prostitute with a heart of gold, who has a club foot and is slated for execution .

And she's being hunted by an evil [pick one][ oil corporation, pharmaceutical corporation, Zionist cabal, rogue Army squad, Christian fundamentalist group, American intelligence organization] but she's saved by oppressed militant youths who are really the good guys.

Did I say pick one? Go ahead and pick two or three.

239 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:38:08pm

re: #232 MJ

Capo column of the month:

What Iran’s Jews Say

What a fucking tool this Cohen is.
Like the Jews of Iran are free to speak their minds without fear of reprisals.
I hate the fucking NYT!

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The NYT is run by a bunch of kapos who helped hide what was going on in the concentration camps.
I will not mourn the paper's loss.

240 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:38:13pm

re: #235 Shug

If you allow the Tonys in your Childs classroom, the next thing you know they will be teaching your child about the Espys.

Will you be OK with that?

Some of my best friends won Espys.

241 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:38:18pm

re: #228 freetoken

Really? Practicing dowsers? Guess I'll go downstairs and check it out.

Next thing you know, Charles will be dissing the Raelians.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

LOL

242 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:38:56pm

re: #237 pink freud

Waaay TMI, steve :-)

what's TMI?

243 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:38:58pm
244 Steffan  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:39:15pm

re: #207 Dirk Diggler

Steffan,



Why pay? Just Google images for the movie Jude.

Well, we do want her to get the royalties, right?

If she's gonna show her all for the cause, she should at least see some of the money from it.

245 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:39:27pm

re: #242 albusteve

what's TMI?

too much information

246 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:39:28pm

re: #242 albusteve

what's TMI?

Let me! Let me! Let me!

Too much information.

247 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:40:01pm

re: #222 DistantThunder

You would have been one of the young ones that surrendered to the allied forces. I just know it.

Maybe. But I would have been made into a monster before that or at least someone who worshiped monsters. It just something I think about at times. What would do in such-and-such a place and time, knowing what was known then. Sometimes I don't like what the answers say about me, but that just makes thinking about what drives me all the more important. I work to know myself and not fall prey to the snares that have trapped others. Because I can and have learned from the mistakes in the past. And that is why I am the anti-totalitarian I am today.

248 ErnieG  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:40:25pm

re: #243 ploome hineni

104 So?

you think Ledger was acting?

I found him very disturbing..too real

"It's called acting, dear boy."

249 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:40:33pm

re: #218 katemaclaren

Oh, funny! Charles, where are you...Charles? Come back! Curtain call, please.

Shane...Shane...Come back Shane!


/S

250 wee fury  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:40:52pm

I read "The Reader" a few years ago. I didn't like the main character -- which I believe to be the whole point of the book.

251 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:41:20pm

re: #246 Cattt

Let me! Let me! Let me!

Too much information.

well beat me with a noodle...no offense...hey I like Charles too!

252 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:41:50pm

re: #135 Steffan

The rest I can live without, especially Spicoli ranting about Prop 8.

Oh, puke. A pretend homosexual lecturing America about the terminology that Californians should use for real homosexual couples. (Mind you, even after Prop 8, same-sex couples in California continue to have the same state-level rights as married heterosexual couples, only under a different name; while in most other states, same-sex couples get zip, zilch, nada, under any name.)

I'll bet the Obligatory Applause was deafening; no one wanted to be caught "not clapping for gay marriage rights" on camera.

253 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:41:58pm

re: #249 Dustyvet

Shane...Shane...Come back Shane!

/S


[Video]

nice snag...

254 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:42:43pm
255 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:42:48pm

re: #251 albusteve

Just yanking your chain, ALBUsteve! I hope you have forgiven me for the Phelps thread.

256 Lib Wingnut  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:44:07pm

OT:

The classiness continues:

[Link: www.courier-journal.com...]

No matter which side of the fence you're on, this is just plain uncouth.

257 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:44:45pm
258 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:45:01pm

Judging by the amount of posts, academy awards are not important.

259 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:45:26pm

re: #257 ploome hineni

like I said, I don;t think he was acting

and his death shortly after may explain his disturbing 'acting'

I'm on the same page with you on this, ploome. I've read several articles speculating the same ...

260 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:45:27pm

Two young play writes are walking down Broadway when they see a window-washer accidentally fall from his scaffold, fall 15 stories until miraculously glancing off a large American flag on the building front. land on the entry awning and bounce harmlessly to the ground.
One play-write says, "Boy, was that guy lucky."
The other replies, "No, Andrew Lloyd Weber was lucky."

261 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:45:29pm

re: #256 Lib Wingnut

OT:

The classiness continues:

[Link: www.courier-journal.com...]

No matter which side of the fence you're on, this is just plain uncouth.

Good grief. Way to go, Bunning.

262 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:45:32pm
263 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:45:39pm

re: #255 pink freud

Just yanking your chain, ALBUsteve! I hope you have forgiven me for the Phelps thread.

I hold no grudges ever...not with anyone

264 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:45:53pm

Steffan,

Well, we do want her to get the royalties, right?

If she's gonna show her all for the cause, she should at least see some of the money from it.

Hey I'm just trying to help a brother out. These are hard economic times. For all I know $7.50 might be too much for you to to pony up right now.

265 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:46:02pm

Wow, had to go back and check out the dowsing thread. Too funny.
Speaking of water, we are really getting it right now, coming down in torrents, which is a real blessing.

266 Shug  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:46:02pm

re: #256 Lib Wingnut

ghoul

267 zombie  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:46:20pm

re: #252 Throbert McGee

On my "list of things that matter to me one way or the other," gay marriage ranks somewhere between "Is Pluto a planet?" and "Paper or plastic?".

268 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:46:28pm

re: #239 Kosh's Shadow

The NYT is run by a bunch of kapos who helped hide what was going on in the concentration camps.
I will not mourn the paper's loss.

I would mourn it. I hope that Sultzbuger gets bounced out on his ass, and the paper gets put under new, competent, management. I want the NYT reformed if possible, folded if necessary.

269 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:46:36pm

re: #254 ploome hineni

I'm not following?

270 wee fury  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:46:41pm

re: #254 ploome hineni

and what was the message?

the nazi would kill him, but he was a good fk anyway?

The message was: The woman was bad. What she did was bad during the War. What she did after the war was bad. Her sense of morality was seriously skewed and lacking.

271 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:46:50pm

re: #263 albusteve

I hold no grudges ever...not with anyone

Merci beaucoup :-)

272 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:47:24pm
273 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:47:28pm

re: #252 Throbert McGee

Sean Penn, pretend homosexual.

/he's come a long way from his leaky "boat" in New Orleans

274 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:47:40pm

re: #110 Charles

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that we had a dowsing meltdown today.

You're just so intolerant and insensitive. Why, I bet you even scoff at ear-candling.

/heartless skeptical cynic-dog!

275 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:48:03pm

zombie,

On my "list of things that matter to me one way or the other," gay marriage ranks somewhere between "Is Pluto a planet?" and "Paper or plastic?".

Plastic. F#@k the environment.

276 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:48:24pm

re: #272 ploome hineni

I would hold a grudge...but I can't remember nics

lol

SMACK!...what's for dinner?

277 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:48:40pm

re: #258 BigPapa

Judging by the amount of posts, academy awards are not important.

They sure as hell are.

/theatre business for the winners will now pick up substantially

278 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:49:09pm

re: #256 Lib Wingnut

OT:

The classiness continues:

[Link: www.courier-journal.com...]

No matter which side of the fence you're on, this is just plain uncouth.

That's terrible!

Did you make note of the last sentence?

"Meanwhile, Bunning noted that the committee is helping moderate senators Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Olympia Snowe of Maine." Two of the republicans who voted for the stimulus package. Spit.

279 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:49:25pm

re: #216 Colonel Panik

I'm firmly convinced McCain lost because Trey and Matt didn't do a sequel to "Team America" for this election year..."Team America 2: Dirka Dirka Ahamdinejad" or "Team America 2: Rise of the Obamination".

A Team America sequel would be like a Citizen Kane remake: one dare not try to replicate sheer perfection.

(Besides, Trey and Matt said that a feature-length marionette movie was just too much of a gigantic PITA, and they never wanted to do it again.)

280 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:49:42pm
281 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:50:34pm

re: #256 Lib Wingnut

OT:

The classiness continues:

[Link: www.courier-journal.com...]

No matter which side of the fence you're on, this is just plain uncouth.

If people get banned from LGF for lines like that (and they do), I don't think its too much to ask from Bunning to get banned from the GOP. Wishing death on another person like that is just plain vile.

282 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:51:00pm

re: #273 Killian Bundy

Sean Penn, pretend homosexual.

"Straggot" is my preference -- it's shorter.

283 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:51:17pm

This year's Oscars had Sean Penn pretending to be a homosexual and Robert Downey pretending to be a white Australian playing the part of a black American, in black face.

284 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:51:41pm
285 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:52:00pm

re: #283 rawmuse

This year's Oscars had Sean Penn pretending to be a homosexual and Robert Downey pretending to be a white Australian playing the part of a black American, in black face.

Thanks for clearing that up...:)


/S

286 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:52:16pm

re: #283 rawmuse

Too bad someone didn't pretend to be retarded. That's a guaranteed Oscar.

287 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:53:09pm

TRIVIA QUESTION
How does the orchestra know which theme song to play when the winner is announced? Do they know the winners in advance?

288 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:53:54pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Too bad someone didn't pretend to be retarded. That's a guaranteed Oscar.

That was in "Tropic Thunder", Ben Stiller playing "Simple Jack"

289 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:54:06pm

re: #284 ploome hineni

whatever you are buying

:D

Buck's Burgers down the road is all I can afford anymore...hell of a taco for 1.50 tho...

290 Cato the Elder  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:54:14pm

I'm just so out of the loop. The only MMP I saw in the last 12 months was "Gran Torino". And it's not even in the running.

Now, if they had Oscar night for books, I might be able to muster an over-under...

291 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:55:29pm
292 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:56:03pm

re: #287 rawmuse

TRIVIA QUESTION
How does the orchestra know which theme song to play when the winner is announced? Do they know the winners in advance?

My guess would be that they get the word a few minutes in advance. My singer friend got the word that he had to sing "It's Hard Out There For a Pimp" and said he almost fell over. He didn't think it would win at all.

293 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:56:25pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Too bad someone didn't pretend to be retarded. That's a guaranteed Oscar.

No no.

You're forgetting the rule clarified by Downey (in blackface) about 'going full retard': It never, ever wins.

294 albusteve  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:56:37pm

re: #291 ploome hineni

not tonight

I have to wash my hair

thanks

:D

/or i have a headache..forget which

I forget witch myself :)
I'm outski

295 lifeofthemind  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:56:59pm

The Oscars as a celebration of a doomed business model are slightly less interesting than a documentary on the 1967 Detroit Auto show. Future anthropologists may get a laugh out of this.

296 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:57:15pm

I'm going to leave now, before the Very Important Name the Uber Cute Gorilla thread is still winning over the Oscars thread. I might try to find the transcript of Penn's no doubt moving speech tonight though Mrs BigPapa has told me the street lights are on.

Honco out. Be nice to the dowsers!

297 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:57:44pm

re: #283 rawmuse

Pretending is sort of the point, though, wouldn't you say?

298 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:57:48pm
299 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:58:13pm

re: #287 rawmuse

TRIVIA QUESTION
How does the orchestra know which theme song to play when the winner is announced? Do they know the winners in advance?

In that they only play a few bars of the song, my guess is that they have practiced the opening to each (not that many considering most movies are up for multiple awards) and just as the winner is announced they cue up that one

300 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:58:27pm

re: #283 rawmuse

This year's Oscars had Sean Penn pretending to be a homosexual and Robert Downey pretending to be a white Australian playing the part of a black American, in black face.

/two men enter, one man leaves

301 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:59:27pm

re: #292 Pvt Bin Jammin

No, the orchestra does not get advance notice of the winners. They have music in front of them with all of the nominees, numbered, just a short bit, like 8-16 measures. When the winner is announced, they read the music that corresponds to the winner, not the others.

re: #299 sattv4u2

You got very close, I would say you won this one!

302 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:59:27pm

re: #298 ploome hineni

I am having a huge problem

a 21lb dog...and she is only 14 weeks old

I feel awful about locking her into a crate..so she sleepson the bed

and I have no room to turn

what to do?

At 14 weeks a puppy often feels more secure inside a crate than outside. It'll whine and whimper for your company, but it won't mind the enclosed space.

303 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 9:59:57pm

I haven't been watching and so far, I think I have avoided torture.
Thank you for taking fire for me.

304 HelloDare  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:00:17pm

re: #94 zombie

People who are struggling with or who have conquered drug abuse.

305 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:00:44pm

re: #288 rawmuse

Was it? I wanted to see that one but never got around to it. I hear Tom Cruise was really good in it.

306 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:00:54pm

re: #298 ploome hineni

I am having a huge problem

a 21lb dog...and she is only 14 weeks old

I feel awful about locking her into a crate..so she sleepson the bed

and I have no room to turn

what to do?

I used to just kinda grab my litte 24 lb. dog and roll with him in my arms. LOL A little scary at fourteen weeks though.

307 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:01:06pm
308 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:01:49pm
309 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:02:01pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

You should see it. Wet-your-pants funny, especially "Simple Jack"

310 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:02:33pm

re: #298 ploome hineni

re: #302 Cognito

At 14 weeks a puppy often feels more secure inside a crate than outside. It'll whine and whimper for your company, but it won't mind the enclosed space.

Not really. You 1st have to make the crate the place the dog wants to be in, not feeling as if it's in there as banishment. You'll have to place the dog in the crate a few times without the door being closed (place some of his/her toys and or blanket in there) so it will feel as if thats where he/she's SUPPOSED to be!

311 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:03:38pm

re: #308 ploome hineni

needle like baby teeth

Ouch. Those hurt.

Have you considered a king size bed? Sounds like he/she is going to be a big one.

312 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:03:58pm

re: #307 ploome hineni

she is very comfortable on the bed...spreadeagled

her paws are the size of my palm

At 14 weeks?

/well, good luck with whatever that's going to turn into

313 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:05:46pm
314 calcajun  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:05:46pm

Just saw this thread and thought I'd share. Watching Renoir's "Grand Illusion" with my Francophone missus. Better than the freak show on ABC.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:05:47pm

re: #94 zombie

I foolishly said on a previous thread that Milk was going to rack up the Oscars, because "gayness" has the highest priority rating among PC Oscar-magnet themes, surpassing "prostitute with a heart of gold" and "Nazis."

Well, someone just told me that "Slumdog Millionaire" has Muslim characters -- and it beat Milk for Best Picture!

So we now have a new champion in the PC sweepstakes!

The new hierarchical ranking of themes-that-guarantee-Oscars are:

Muslims
gayness
Nazis/Holocaust
prostitutes-with-a-heart-of-gold
anti-war
"gimps" and "the disabled"
actors that died the previous year or are on their death beds...

...help me out here. Any other PC categories for winning Academy Awards?

OK, so what I need to do is make a film about a gay, disabled Muslim, devastated by war, who moves in with a hooker with a heart of gold, haunted by the memory of her late grandfather who was a Nazi. Then I need to kill one or both lead actors.

That actually sounds like a pretty good movie.

316 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:05:57pm
317 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:06:12pm

re: #307 ploome hineni

she is very comfortable on the bed...spreadeagled

her paws are the size of my palm

Uh oh. As the owner of a 100+ pound dog, I warn you that if you let it on the bed as a puppy, you can't say no later, when it's huge. Better to train it to sleep on the floor (like mine on a large dog bed/pad) or in a crate.

318 lifeofthemind  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:06:30pm

re: #298 ploome hineni

I am having a huge problem

a 21lb dog...and she is only 14 weeks old

I feel awful about locking her into a crate..so she sleepson the bed

and I have no room to turn

what to do?

Your problem will get a whole lot bigger if you don't start to seriously think about what makes a dog well or ill behaved. A dog is ... a dog. It is a pack animal in its furry little brain, right now it is deciding who is the top wolf. It is not a human and doesn't think you are. You must convince the animal you are in charge, that is much more important than where it sleeps. For now that means it sleeps in the crate with a blanket and maybe a ticking clock.

BTW my hairy friend often does get on my bed but there is no doubt who is boss. And as soon as get permission I'm signing off,

Enjoy the beastie but do remember to think Wolf=Woof as you stare into those eyes.

319 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:06:30pm
320 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:07:20pm

re: #310 sattv4u2

re: #302 Cognito

Not really. You 1st have to make the crate the place the dog wants to be in, not feeling as if it's in there as banishment. You'll have to place the dog in the crate a few times without the door being closed (place some of his/her toys and or blanket in there) so it will feel as if thats where he/she's SUPPOSED to be!

Dogs normally very happy with their dog house will want to come in when all the oak trees drop acorns (sign of a harsh winter, they say). On the other hand, it makes the squirrels happy. /Aunt Cattt, Pioneer Woman

321 lifeofthemind  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:08:08pm

re: #313 Cognito

Ploome's pup.

The problem with real big dogs os that they die to young. Like the replicants in Blade Runner.
"The light that burns the brightest..."

322 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:08:12pm

re: #316 ploome hineni

lol

I have a california king..3 dogs

/I think I have to move

With cats, it doesn't matter how big the bed is, if you are a cat magnet (and I am).

323 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:08:20pm

re: #96 Steffan

That was Alec Baldwin. He wimped out, as usual.

You'd think at least one of those wusses would have the courage of their convictions.

We can dream, right?

Hilariously, after all the "I'm going to move to Canada if Bush wins" that I sat through, someone I knew finally moved to Canada. He didn't do it for political reasons, he left a good friend of mine, and moved to Toronto to live with a woman he met on the Internet.

He'd been bitching about the Massachusetts winter. So, of course, he moves to Toronto.

Sorry, Canada.

324 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:08:25pm
325 Cognito  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:10:10pm

re: #324 ploome hineni

gak

She hasn't locked her doors in years.

326 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:11:10pm

re: #317 Yankee Division Son

Uh oh. As the owner of a 100+ pound dog, I warn you that if you let it on the bed as a puppy, you can't say no later, when it's huge. Better to train it to sleep on the floor (like mine on a large dog bed/pad) or in a crate.

What kind of dog do you have? I used to have St. Bernards but have downsized to little terrier types.

327 Dustyvet  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:11:33pm

re: #322 Cattt

With cats, it doesn't matter how big the bed is, if you are a cat magnet (and I am).

When I stay up late on the computer, Tiger will go into the bed room and lay down right in the middle of my bed. When I go in later, Tiger looks up and gives me this "The futons in the living room" look.

328 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:11:42pm

re: #280 ploome hineni

metaphorical in what way? what was the metaphor?

The two main characters in the book represent something than just the literal figures that they are. The adolescent boy is a stand in for that entire generation of youths that grew up under the tutelage of the Nazis, that would find themselves in control of German society as adults. The story is about his attempt at comprehending that era of his youth and the motives of those people that forged Germany into the Third Reich; and more importantly his own level of guilt in being involved even tangentially as a youth.

The Nazi that he had an affair with is a stand in for the rank and file that made up the Party. Her illiteracy, and idiocy are basically a testament in not ever being able to rationalize the irrationality of the Nazis themselves, even when confronted with the real thing.

Their relationship specifically is everything that it was to be a young German in those days. Indoctrinated in school, shuffled off into the Hitler Youth and its precursors, bombarded with propaganda by the media. It is likening the phenomena to that of an inappropriately young virgin being taken advantage of by an alluring seductress; and despite the betrayal not being able to fully break that emotional choke hold.

329 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:12:41pm

re: #323 SanFranciscoZionist

He'd been bitching about the Massachusetts winter. So, of course, he moves to Toronto.

Sorry, Canada.

Hey, the winters here arent' that bad on average. He could have taken leave of his senses and moved to Quebec City, or North Bay even.

/Just 60 miles north of Toronto there can be about a ten degree celsius difference in temperature.

330 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:14:19pm

re: #326 Pvt Bin Jammin

Labrador Retriever. Smart dogs, I swear they speak English.

331 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:15:05pm
332 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:15:26pm

re: #330 Yankee Division Son

I love them! Beautiful and smart. Didn't realize they got quite that big.

333 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:15:33pm

re: #321 lifeofthemind

The problem with real big dogs os that they die to young. Like the replicants in Blade Runner.
"The light that burns the brightest..."

Sad but true. Usually they have to be put down because of hip displasia. Their hips can't take their weight as they age.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:15:45pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

One the one hand, I view stories like Defiance as true inspirational stories about fighting evil. However, my love of said stories is tempered by the fact that, given my German ethnic background and personality, had I lived in those places in those days I would have likely been one of the SS sent to murder the Jews. Hitler would have lied and ranted, and I would have believed him and followed him all the way to hell. Thus my cardinal reaction to such stories is to thank God for sending my soul to a place and time where I have been able to be a better man.

Can I just say that I really appreciate this post? I spend so much time on the Internet hearing from people who imagine that they would have been heroes during the Shoah.

A little realism, and humility, is a rare thing. Thank you.

335 DistantThunder  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:15:54pm

re: #328 Scion9

The two main characters in the book represent something than just the literal figures that they are. The adolescent boy is a stand in for that entire generation of youths that grew up under the tutelage of the Nazis, that would find themselves in control of German society as adults. The story is about his attempt at comprehending that era of his youth and the motives of those people that forged Germany into the Third Reich; and more importantly his own level of guilt in being involved even tangentially as a youth.

The Nazi that he had an affair with is a stand in for the rank and file that made up the Party. Her illiteracy, and idiocy are basically a testament in not ever being able to rationalize the irrationality of the Nazis themselves, even when confronted with the real thing.

Their relationship specifically is everything that it was to be a young German in those days. Indoctrinated in school, shuffled off into the Hitler Youth and its precursors, bombarded with propaganda by the media. It is likening the phenomena to that of an inappropriately young virgin being taken advantage of by an alluring seductress; and despite the betrayal not being able to fully break that emotional choke hold.

It's starting to feel like America. i feel so violated.

336 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:16:43pm

re: #214 IslandLibertarian

...but have they given the award for the
"Film With the Smallest Carbon Footprint"?

The SF Chronicle asked some people to propose a new Oscar award. Amy Tan says she wants one for 'best animal'.

337 lifeofthemind  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:17:43pm

re: #319 ploome hineni

standard poodle

gorgeous dog

BTW for teething get a Booda&Trade; rope, soak it in water put n paper bag and place in freezer, dog looks up at you as it chews and the pain goes away, makes it more submissive.

Standard Eh? a dog that does not shed?

must go talk to someone

338 jackfetch  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:17:48pm

I sooo wanted Mickey Roarke to win and go on a rant at the podium again. Sean Penn is far too predictable.

339 DistantThunder  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:18:23pm

The Philly Inquirer just filed for bankrupty today, along with with it's sister paper - I forget the name.

340 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:18:52pm

re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist

Can I just say that I really appreciate this post? I spend so much time on the Internet hearing from people who imagine that they would have been heroes during the Shoah.

A little realism, and humility, is a rare thing. Thank you.

Thank you, for reading it and knowing what I was trying to say. It wasn't an easy thing to write but I wanted to be honest.

341 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:19:24pm

re: #332 Pvt Bin Jammin

Usually they don't, females usually average 50-70 pounds, but I've had two, and both turned out to be quite large, but not fat, dogs. Just lucky I guess...

342 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:21:21pm

re: #331 ploome hineni

No. Michael is an affluent German. There is a Jewish character, a survivor of Auschwitz, whose story is presented in a diary, to Michael. I also apparently misremembered entire swaths of the Novel, according to someone over my shoulder; but close enough anyway.

343 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:21:22pm

re: #337 lifeofthemind

Standard Eh?

/those are the large ones, as poodles go

344 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:23:15pm
345 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:23:52pm

re: #341 Yankee Division Son

Usually they don't, females usually average 50-70 pounds, but I've had two, and both turned out to be quite large, but not fat, dogs. Just lucky I guess...

I have a fat dog now. A little Jack Russell Terrier/Beagle mix. I don't really feed him that much and have cut back on the food. He is about 37 lbs. I think my hubby is giving him too many treats.

346 dapperdave  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:25:18pm

I remember I watched the Oscars years ago, all they did was talk about saving the whales, that was the last time I watched the Oscars.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:25:59pm

re: #345 Pvt Bin Jammin

I have a fat dog now. A little Jack Russell Terrier/Beagle mix. I don't really feed him that much and have cut back on the food. He is about 37 lbs. I think my hubby is giving him too many treats.

Both of those breeds love to eat, though, and they do put on weight easily.

And they're so cute that I can hardly imagine not giving them too many treats!

348 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:26:09pm

re: #344 ploome hineni

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

/not all nazis were bad

not all nazis killed Jews because they hated Jews. Some nazis killed Jews because they were illiterate

Oskar Schindler was a Nazi party member.

349 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:26:24pm
350 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:26:53pm

Zorba, really big English Mastiff

He was was over 343 pounds, measured 8 feet 3 inches long from his nose to his tail and stood 37 inches at the shoulder.

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:27:01pm

re: #346 dapperdave

I remember I watched the Oscars years ago, all they did was talk about saving the whales, that was the last time I watched the Oscars.


Must have been some time ago. Whales are, for some reason, no longer all that fashionable.

352 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:27:57pm
353 lifeofthemind  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:28:08pm

re: #349 ploome hineni

where do you get those?

Booda brand ropes? any good pet store should stock them, sorry my good citizen trade mark thingy didn't work

354 dapperdave  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:28:14pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I was around 12.

355 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:28:42pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

Both of those breeds love to eat, though, and they do put on weight easily.

And they're so cute that I can hardly imagine not giving them too many treats!

I know. They are adorable. He looks like a large Jack Russell but once in awhile he bays. LOL We mostly give him the baby carrots for treats. I guess they probably have sugar in them.

356 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:28:52pm

re: #348 Yankee Division Son

Wernher von Braun was also a Party member. We naturalized him in 1955.

357 lifeofthemind  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:29:14pm

Just saw the cute baby animal thread degenerated into massive comment deletions. G'night ladies.

358 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:29:26pm

re: #327 Dustyvet

When I stay up late on the computer, Tiger will go into the bed room and lay down right in the middle of my bed. When I go in later, Tiger looks up and gives me this "The futons in the living room" look.

Heh. My cats yell at me if I don't go to bed when they want to. They seem to be attached to me with strings. Sometimes they cry when I shut the bathroom door (they think there is an exit in there somewhere - not exactly rocket scientists).

359 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:29:35pm

re: #348 Yankee Division Son

Oskar Schindler was a Nazi party member.

Next quarter, I am supposed to teach a novel to my freshman that's set in a suburb of Munich during the war. One of the ongoing plotlines has to do with the main character's foster father's never-accepted application to the party.

It's going to be interesting teaching this to the kids. It's a good book, but very long, and with a lot of moral ambiguity.

360 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:30:00pm

re: #349 ploome hineni

where do you get those?

My daughter has a pup who's teething also. I'd not heard of the Booda line ...here's what I found, ploome:

[Link: www.ablackhorse.com...]

361 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:30:18pm

re: #319 ploome hineni

standard poodle

gorgeous dog

Oh, cool. They are wonderful dogs. And beautiful.

362 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:30:34pm

Booda Colored Rope Bone - Large

/if Amazon doesn't sell it, it's crap and you don't need it anyway

363 pat  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:31:31pm

Waste of air. Let them die.

364 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:32:03pm

re: #356 rawmuse

Wernher von Braun was also a Party member. We naturalized him in 1955.

Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun,
A man whose allegiance
Is ruled by expedience.
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown.
"Ha, Nazi Schmazi," says Wernher von Braun.

Don't say that he's hypocritical,
Say rather that he's apolitical.
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun.

Some have harsh words for this man of renown,
But some think our attitude
Should be one of gratitude,
Like the widows and cripples in old London town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.

You too may be a big hero,
Once you've learned to count backwards to zero.
"In German oder English I know how to count down,
Und I'm learning Chinese," says Wernher von Braun.

God bless Tom Lehrer

365 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:32:12pm

re: #358 Cattt

Closed doors are a bane to a cats existence.

/used to have two of the terrors darlings.

366 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:32:40pm

re: #362 Killian Bundy

Booda Colored Rope Bone - Large

/if Amazon doesn't sell it, it's crap and you don't need it anyway

If my dog gets any fatter he's going to start looking like a "Booda". LOL

367 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:33:41pm
368 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:34:29pm

re: #358 Cattt

My cats yell at me

/ditch the Siamese, go Exotic/Persian, they're quiet, won't make a sound even if they get mistakenly shut in a cupboard or closet for hours

369 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:34:58pm

all i can say is: no one at this house had any time for an organization that didn't think "Gran Torino" was worthy of consideration.

/and they wonder why no one goes to the movies any more...

370 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:34:59pm

re: #365 BlueCanuck

Closed doors are a bane to a cats existence.

/used to have two of the terrors darlings.

I once watched for about ten minutes as a coworker's cat desperately flailed around with one arm, trying to get out of a bedroom with a door mostly blocked shut.

'Should I go let him out?' I asked. My math teacher colleague shook his head. 'He'll figure it out,' he said serenely.

Eventually, something gave on the other side, and the cat shot out of the room.

371 Efoster  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:35:18pm

I stopped caring about anything that has to do with Hollywood when the actors started handing out their political "opinions."

372 [deleted]  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:35:25pm
373 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:35:40pm

re: #356 rawmuse

Wernher von Braun was also a Party member. We naturalized him in 1955.

Yes, and he was also a member of the SS. His role in using concentration camp labor to build V2 rockets makes me ill, frankly. More people died building the V2's than were killed by them.

374 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:35:58pm

re: #368 Killian Bundy

/ditch the Siamese, go Exotic/Persian, they're quiet, won't make a sound even if they get mistakenly shut in a cupboard or closet for hours

Siamese mixes often keep the pretty Siamese coloring, but have nicer voices.

375 pink freud  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:36:07pm

re: #372 ploome hineni

Goodnite, ploome.

376 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:36:21pm

re: #372 ploome hineni

...I am out

:D

/gonna push the dog over

LOL

Goodnight, Ploome. Have a good sleep.

377 Catttt  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:39:38pm

re: #368 Killian Bundy

/ditch the Siamese, go Exotic/Persian, they're quiet, won't make a sound even if they get mistakenly shut in a cupboard or closet for hours

OK, he's a wee bit loud. However, he makes up for it by leaping onto my shoulder and sinking his claws in. :D

378 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:39:58pm

re: #372 ploome hineni

...I am out

:D

/gonna push the dog over

Mine is already up in her little (er) bed on the floor sleeping. They are creatures of habit.

379 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:40:40pm

Now I'm in a Lehrer mood...

We are the folk song army.
Everyone of us cares.
We all hate poverty, war, and injustice,
Unlike the rest of you squares.

380 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:41:27pm

Hello my friends!

I love the Oscars. I am happy for Kate Winslet but I really wanted Mickey Rourke to win. Sean Penn is a bonehead.

381 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:42:35pm

re: #368 Killian Bundy

/ditch the Siamese, go Exotic/Persian, they're quiet, won't make a sound even if they get mistakenly shut in a cupboard or closet for hours

we have a Siamese that doesn't meow at all... in fact, he only makes a loud noise when he gets too far under foot and is stepped on.

382 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:44:25pm

re: #380 Afrocity

I was for Mickey too, though I didn't see the movie.

Sean Penn? I am still waiting for him to make good on his promise that if Bush was elected he would leave the United States.

383 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:45:22pm

re: #381 redc1c4

we have a Siamese that doesn't meow at all... in fact, he only makes a loud noise when he gets too far under foot and is stepped on.

Is it a purebred?

/in any case, good for you, that breed is known for being the most vocal

384 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:45:39pm

slumdog millionaire won most of the awards, yet less than it deserved. This is the best movie made in several years.

After what Mumbai's been through, there's a sort of karma-type justice here too.

385 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:45:48pm

By the way, who was the host this year?

386 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:46:40pm

re: #385 Throbert McGee

By the way, who was the host this year?

Hugh Jackman, I think.

387 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:46:55pm

re: #344 ploome hineni

I don't know how the movie plays out, but in the Novel she is pretty repugnant and abusive. Her illiteracy isn't meant to paint a sympathetic picture.

388 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:46:56pm

re: #385 Throbert McGee

By the way, who was the host this year?

I think they passed it off from one to another, and even had groups of previous years winners serving in unison.

389 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:47:12pm

re: #385 Throbert McGee

By the way, who was the host this year?

I watched the whole show (kinda) and I didn't notice. LOL

390 rawmuse  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:48:04pm

the bit with the Pineapple Express dudes and the Milk cast was so funny, I still hurt. And with that, goodnight, Lizards!

391 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:48:15pm

re: #384 lostlakehiker

After what Mumbai's been through, there's a sort of karma-type justice here too.

/not sure if this impacts life there much at all

392 wiffersnapper  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:49:59pm

LOLscars

393 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:50:24pm

re: #390 rawmuse

the bit with the Pineapple Express dudes and the Milk cast was so funny, I still hurt. And with that, goodnight, Lizards!

Nite. Have a great day tomorrow.

394 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:51:09pm

re: #370 SanFranciscoZionist

I once watched for about ten minutes as a coworker's cat desperately flailed around with one arm, trying to get out of a bedroom with a door mostly blocked shut.

And what were you doing in your cow orker's bedroom in the first place, you naughty thing?

395 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:51:44pm

I feel sorry for Jennifer Aniston.

396 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:52:27pm

re: #348 Yankee Division Son

Oskar Schindler was a Nazi party member.

Oskar Schindler was a Nazi party member but not a Nazi. Emphatically not a Nazi.

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:52:35pm

re: #394 Throbert McGee

And what were you doing in your cow orker's bedroom in the first place, you naughty thing?

I was in the living room, playing cards with him and his wife. The CAT was in the bedroom. Filthy mind!

398 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:52:49pm

re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist

Hugh Jackman, I think.

For real? Normally it's a stand-up comic -- although not necessarily a comedian whose act you'd actually pay money to see.

399 Throbert McGee  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:54:09pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

I was in the living room, playing cards with him and his wife.

Oh, I getcha -- "cards."

400 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:55:04pm

re: #399 Throbert McGee

"Strip poker, maybe?"

401 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:55:18pm

re: #383 Killian Bundy

Is it a purebred?

/in any case, good for you, that breed is known for being the most vocal

He's a Balinese Siamese, and, AFAWK, purebred. the secret is that he's a rescue at 4 days old when his mom was killed. he was raised by hand in the part of the house where they kept all the dogs, and he imprinted canine.

since he moved in with us, he's learned some cat behavior from the resident Persian, but they're not the best teachers, and even picked up a few traits from watching the neighborhood cats through the windows...

he still can't meow though, although he occasionally squeezes out a bit of one: sounds more like a bark though.

402 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:56:18pm

re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist

Hugh Jackman, I think.

i thought it was Hugh Jerection... %-)

/white smoke

403 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:56:39pm

re: #395 Afrocity

I feel sorry for Jennifer Aniston.

/I can think of a lot of more deserving people to feel sorry for, mostly nameless, but that doesn't help anyone

404 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:56:50pm

re: #395 Afrocity

I feel sorry for Jennifer Aniston.

I am so out of it with regard to what's going on in Hollywood. What's going on with Jennifer?

405 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:56:59pm

re: #399 Throbert McGee

Oh, I getcha -- "cards."

Groaaan.

406 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:57:38pm

re: #395 Afrocity

I feel sorry for Jennifer Aniston.

with as much money as she has, i'm a little short in the sympathy dept for her.

/or any of them

407 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:58:13pm

re: #404 Pvt Bin Jammin

I am so out of it with regard to what's going on in Hollywood. What's going on with Jennifer?

Just the whole Brad Pitt leaving her for Angelina Jolie thing.

408 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 10:59:26pm

re: #407 Afrocity

Just the whole Brad Pitt leaving her for Angelina Jolie thing.

hers to keep or lose... she lost.

409 BatGuano  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:01:09pm

I'm relatively new. I dropped into the Lizard Lounge for 7 minutes. What is that all about?

410 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:01:48pm

re: #407 Afrocity

Just the whole Brad Pitt leaving her for Angelina Jolie thing.

Ahh. That was too bad yet so common with the Hollywood set. I always admire the one's who have stuck it out with their original spouses. They are few and far between.

411 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:02:05pm

Life isn't that simple.

Goodnight.

Champagne Kool Aid wishes and Caviar Sardine Dreams

412 Athens Runaway  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:03:10pm
413 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:03:16pm

re: #127 zombie

Naked Nazi? Damn, no wonder she won.

So: The Reader was a remake of Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS?

The Reader is a story of penance and shame. Be fair.

414 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:03:34pm

Nite Afrocity, stay warm and scaly.

415 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:03:35pm

re: #411 Afrocity

Nite, sweet dreams.

416 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:03:43pm

re: #411 Afrocity

Life isn't that simple.

Goodnight.

Champagne Kool Aid wishes and Caviar Sardine Dreams

kool Ade and value rite vodka: you can keep the fish.

417 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:04:17pm

re: #396 lostlakehiker

Oskar Schindler was a Nazi party member but not a Nazi. Emphatically not a Nazi.

I believe you ate arguing semantics. He was a Nazi party member, therefore he was a Nazi. He may have hated them, and what they were doing, and certainly did everything he could to fight against it, but he was a Nazi.

418 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:06:46pm

re: #416 redc1c4

kool Ade and value rite vodka: you can keep the fish.

Are you old enough to remember the Fedco stores. They had "Old FedCal" whiskey. I think we had a bottle around the house somewhere. LOL

419 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:06:59pm

re: #415 Pvt Bin Jammin

Nite, sweet dreams.

FTFY!

420 Afrocity  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:08:10pm

re: #414 BlueCanuck

Nite Afrocity, stay warm and scaly.

Nothing scaly about this sweet cocoa brown skin

(as she slips into her 300 thread count Egyptian Cotton sheets)

Nite lizards

421 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:08:25pm

re: #418 Pvt Bin Jammin

Are you old enough to remember the Fedco stores. They had "Old FedCal" whiskey. I think we had a bottle around the house somewhere. LOL

i may still have my Fedco card somewhere... let's see: there was one in E Pasadena, and one in Cerritos: where else?

422 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:08:39pm

re: #419 redc1c4

FTFY!

You're right. Did that little gal get banned that used to say that? I think her nic was "Beach Katie".

423 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:09:13pm

re: #420 Afrocity

Nothing scaly about this sweet cocoa brown skin

(as she slips into her 300 thread count Egyptian Cotton sheets)

Nite lizards

it's a lizard thing.

424 BlueCanuck  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:09:16pm

re: #420 Afrocity

Not slandering your skin, but as a lizard one must be scaly to withstand the slings, arrows, and flames.

425 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:09:21pm

re: #387 Scion9

I don't know how the movie plays out, but in the Novel she is pretty repugnant and abusive. Her illiteracy isn't meant to paint a sympathetic picture.

It's Lolita, really. Sexual abuse of a minor, roles reversed. But she eventually understands that what she did was wrong, and takes the fall for a crime she did not commit, to pay for the ones she did.

426 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:10:00pm

re: #420 Afrocity

Nothing scaly about this sweet cocoa brown skin

(as she slips into her 300 thread count Egyptian Cotton sheets)

Nite lizards

And, having caused a restless night for many a male Lizard, Afrocity retires for the night.

Sleep well!

427 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:10:06pm

re: #421 redc1c4

We just went to east Pasadena. Never saw another one. There is a Target on that property now.

428 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:10:13pm

re: #412 Athens Runaway

GiGi?

429 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:10:20pm

re: #422 Pvt Bin Jammin

You're right. Did that little gal get banned that used to say that? I think her nic was "Beach Katie".

banning is a sensitive subject with me... the welt hasn't begun to go down yet. %-)

430 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:11:47pm

re: #417 Yankee Division Son

I believe you ate arguing semantics. He was a Nazi party member, therefore he was a Nazi. He may have hated them, and what they were doing, and certainly did everything he could to fight against it, but he was a Nazi.

Having a party card doesn't make you a Nazi, or a Communist. You are not what the card says you are, any more than you are what you eat. You are what you do. Schindler did the right thing, while engulfed in the perfect storm of evil.

432 Athens Runaway  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:13:48pm

re: #428 Scion9

GiGi?


Glenn Greenwald. Salon.com writer, liberal buffoon, and all-around mental midget. Enemy of the Lizard State.

433 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:13:48pm

re: #429 redc1c4

banning is a sensitive subject with me... the welt hasn't begun to go down yet. %-)

LOL

434 Wendya  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:14:13pm

re: #14 Sharmuta

I only look at red carpet pictures on the internet to see the gowns.

I haven't been very impressed the last couple of years. I think things were better when the studios dressed them.

435 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:14:22pm

re: #401 redc1c4

He's a Balinese Siamese, and, AFAWK, purebred. the secret is that he's a rescue at 4 days old when his mom was killed. he was raised by hand in the part of the house where they kept all the dogs, and he imprinted canine.

since he moved in with us, he's learned some cat behavior from the resident Persian, but they're not the best teachers, and even picked up a few traits from watching the neighborhood cats through the windows...

he still can't meow though, although he occasionally squeezes out a bit of one: sounds more like a bark though.

You have to be one or the other to be purebred. Exotic/Persians don't teach. they're "stoic".

Almost eleven month old Bill has the awkward "bark" too, and he likes to talk so his voice will probably evolve once his head finally catches up with the rest of his body. He's going to be a very large adult cat.

/he's 3/4 Exotic, one of his grandfathers "jumped the fence" with some serious orange tabby genes of domestic blur unknown origin

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:17:53pm

re: #435 Killian Bundy

one of his grandfathers "jumped the fence" with some serious orange tabby genes of domestic blur unknown origin

Cats have no ideas about pure breeding. Cats just mate with other cats, as and when they feel like it. ;)

437 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:18:13pm

re: #430 lostlakehiker

Having a party card doesn't make you a Nazi, or a Communist. You are not what the card says you are, any more than you are what you eat. You are what you do. Schindler did the right thing, while engulfed in the perfect storm of evil.

I understand and agree with your sentiment, totally. But factually he was a party member. That's all I'm saying. I was once asked "Is there such a thing as a good Nazi?" and after some thought, I remembered Oskar Schindler.

438 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:20:24pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

Cats have no ideas about pure breeding. Cats just mate with other cats, as and when they feel like it. ;)

/unless you're a professional breeder, and then it's a huge hit in your pocketbook that you failed to prevent that

439 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:23:41pm

re: #432 Athens Runaway

I know who Greenwald is; but I don't see how anyone here agrees with him in principle or otherwise. His entire article is a paranoid rant. That doesn't make Glenn Beck not a jackass.

From your link:

If we should scold Glenn Beck for his crazy bed time story about civil wars, we can equally scold Glenn Greenwald for claiming that angry white men are forming militias all across the country to lynch the new black president. Neither exists, both are wild-eyed in nature. It’s pretty hard to tell any difference between either Glenns at this point, at least on this issue.

That seems much more in line with has been posted her, and I doubt that Greenwald agrees with it one whit.

440 EaterOfFood  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:25:23pm

re: #252 Throbert McGee

Oh, puke. A pretend homosexual

Yeah, he wins an Oscar playing a gay man who outed the officer who saved President Ford's life without his permission and had nice things to say about Rev. Jim Jones.

Meanwhile, the nations run by those dictators he's buddies have gay rights policies that make rural Alabama look like West Hollywood.

And the host won a Tony playing Liza Minnelli's gay ex-husband, Peter Allen (was he gay before they were married?).

441 redc1c4  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:26:49pm

re: #435 Killian Bundy

You have to be one or the other to be purebred. Exotic/Persians don't teach. they're "stoic".

Almost eleven month old Bill has the awkward "bark" too, and he likes to talk so his voice will probably evolve once his head finally catches up with the rest of his body. He's going to be a very large adult cat.

/he's 3/4 Exotic, one of his grandfathers "jumped the fence" with some serious orange tabby genes of domestic blur unknown origin

you and the hair splitting: he's Balinese, he's going on 5 or so: we picked him up the day of the Cedar fires in San Diego a few years back: met them at the evac point to get him, which is why we call him Smokey. he watches his brother, who isn't normal for a Persian, and has learned many cat mannerisms from him... as far as Hairy Callahan knows cat manerisims

442 lostlakehiker  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:30:49pm

re: #17 pink freud

But how can you stand to watch all those shallow fawning people fawning over all of those shallow fawning people?

They're not all shallow. And even the shallow ones are superb in their own realm.

443 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:30:58pm

re: #440 EaterOfFood

I wonder when they will make a biopic about McCarthy aide Roy Cohn; whom was basically destroyed by the Democrats, because after all it is better to be a Communist, than to be a "fag".

444 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:37:24pm

re: #441 redc1c4

you and the hair splitting: he's Balinese

I'm not splitting hairs, I've had to fill out the CFA cat show entry forms, they need to be registered to win ribbons and rosettes.

/and no, I have never attended a cat show, Champion Kadiska's Not So Raggedy Andy had a professional wrangler, and no, I just supplied the disposable camera, didn't take the pictures

445 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:39:16pm

re: #443 Scion9

I wonder when they will make a biopic about McCarthy aide Roy Cohn; whom was basically destroyed by the Democrats, because after all it is better to be a Communist, than to be a "fag".

/you mean besides Citizen Cohn?

446 Scion9  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:40:08pm

re: #445 Killian Bundy

Tagline: He was McCarthy's loyal partner. The Kennedys' worst enemy. The F.B.I.'s best friend. The country's greatest nightmare.

Yeah. Definitely besides that one.

447 Killian Bundy  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:42:34pm

re: #446 Scion9

Yeah. Definitely besides that one.

/two words, Sean Penn

448 theheat  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 11:54:15pm

re: #443 Scion9

If I recall, James Woods played Roy Cohn in a movie title "Citizen Cohn". And, no, they sure didn't glam him up as a character.

FWIW, I find Sean Penn pretty much repulsive in anything he plays. He's always the same, except sometimes I tries an accent, and sounds precisely like Sean Penn plus an obvious and contrived accent (Mystic River). He's usually sullen, and holds his mouth like a pissed off bass that just grabbed a fly. For as deep and versatile as he's often credited, I find him the same ole Sean Penn every time out of the gate. Not a fan.

Rock Hudson played a straight guy for, like, 30 years or so. Where's his award?

449 day734380  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:05:05am

Looks like the 30's-40's was the dress theme...
How completely dreadful...

450 SixDegrees  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:29am

re: #40 USBeast

Hollywood continues to show it's complete and utter contempt for its public. I may get hammered for this comment but I believe that had Keith Ledger not died he would not have won.

Totally agree. Ledger's performance was absolutely excreable and forgettable, consisting of three lines muttered almost incomprehensibly over and over and over again. Which made his performance totally match the entire movie.

Compared to Michael Caine, who owns the camera whenever it even strays across him, Ledger - and everyone else in this film - are pathetic, overpaid amateurs whose presence serves only to prop up a lame, overlong special effects extravaganza entirely lacking in substance, drama or plot.

451 tai-pan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:05:39am

I'm in that same minority Charles. Proud to be!

452 tai-pan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:07:35am

re: #450 SixDegrees

But other than that, how'd you like it?

453 yesandno  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:41:17am

Does anybody think they will be humming that catchy best song of the year?


/

454 guitarguy  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:55:56am

re: #450 SixDegrees

Totally agree. Ledger's performance was absolutely excreable and forgettable, consisting of three lines muttered almost incomprehensibly over and over and over again. Which made his performance totally match the entire movie.

Compared to Michael Caine, who owns the camera whenever it even strays across him, Ledger - and everyone else in this film - are pathetic, overpaid amateurs whose presence serves only to prop up a lame, overlong special effects extravaganza entirely lacking in substance, drama or plot.


Michael Caine: "The worry going in was The Joker. Jack Nicholson was the greatest Joker so, you know, how do you top that? Well, Heath Ledger's done it and he's extraordinary. He's gone in a completely different direction to Jack. Jack was like a clown figure, benign but wicked, maybe a killer old uncle. He could be funny and make you laugh. Heath is like a really scary psychopath. I did one scene with him and he was ready to go and had to come up in a lift and raid our place. I didn't see him for rehearsal and when he came out of the lift he was so incredible I forgot my lines. He frightened the life out of me. I'd never met him before. He's a lovely guy and his Joker is going to be a hell of a revelation in this picture."

455 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:06:49am

re: #94 zombie

I foolishly said on a previous thread that Milk was going to rack up the Oscars, because "gayness" has the highest priority rating among PC Oscar-magnet themes, surpassing "prostitute with a heart of gold" and "Nazis."

Well, someone just told me that "Slumdog Millionaire" has Muslim characters -- and it beat Milk for Best Picture!

So we now have a new champion in the PC sweepstakes!

The new hierarchical ranking of themes-that-guarantee-Oscars are:

Muslims
gayness
Nazis/Holocaust
prostitutes-with-a-heart-of-gold
anti-war
"gimps" and "the disabled"
actors that died the previous year or are on their death beds...

...help me out here. Any other PC categories for winning Academy Awards?

As a sub-category of the disabled, mentally ill/retarded is Oscar gold. Russell Crowe in "A Beautiful Mind" and Geoffrey Rush in "Shine" are good examples. Kate Winslet in "The Reader" hits a twofer -- she's a Nazi and she's illiterate. For a full explanation of the phenomenon, see Robert Downey Jr. as Kirk Lazarus as Sgt. Osiris in "Tropic Thunder."

456 DrCruel  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:16:05am

Of course the actors in movies are good at what they do. They had better be good - they are paid a gadzillion dollars per picture. But why do we have to have a show about how good they are at what they're being overpaid to be good at, where they exchange gold statues in a fancy hall as they berate the rest of us for being insensitive to the poor? And why do films that no one watches get Oscars - why are we being told that films that promote the political messages of Hollywood, rather than films that exhibit technical proficiency or are popular with the public, are the ones deserving of the highest awards?

You're not in the minority. Few people watch the Oscars anymore since they became elitist propaganda. Some still take a look for the occasional film clip, or to see the actors and actresses in their suits and gowns - they do look good, as this is part of the qualifications for their profession, and thus people like to look at them. But then they open their mouths, and even the most dense amongst us has an uncontrollable urge to change the channel to something less vapid and deliberately annoying - say, like a reality show.

What a wretched business. Long ago I used to watch this, but nowadays I just occasionally check the winners on the news and have myself a laugh.

457 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:30:43am

re: #412 Athens Runaway

OT:
How weird is it when LGF agrees (in principle) with GiGi?

Heh.

Greenwald is as insane as Beck.

But, in an effort to scold Fox News for airing Glenn Beck's recent "War Room" segments, Greenwald indulged in precisely the same sort of behavior he claims Beck does, namely that of making wild, unsubstantiated claims about the "other" side.

458 Colonel Panik  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:40:41am

Nothing for Eastwood.
Silence for Heston.

"Take your stinking paws off me you damn dirty apes moonbats!"

459 Colonel Panik  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:47:07am

re: #432 Athens Runaway

Glenn Greenwald. Salon.com writer, liberal buffoon, and all-around mental midget. Enemy of the Lizard State.

Otherwise known as "Socky Sockpuppet".

460 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:47:11am

re: #52 6pat6

Was the annual Hollywood whine-and-cheese fest tonight?

Hollywood sucks.

I watched the NASCAR race, a much more entertaining event in Californica... DVRs are the bomb!

461 Mike Nargizian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:51:33am

RE: DEFIANCE -
I saw the movie and read Tec's book. I am about to go out and buy Duffy's book written 6 years later in 93 based on newly, at the time, uncovered personal notes from Tuvia Bielski and further information.

I thought the movie was good but not as good as I thought and I thought Craig played the role the same way he plays every role, same personality. Yes, he was sordove dissappointing I thought, but Schreiber brought something to the role. Criag was also in Munich and other movies that same director made.

The book provided some more detail but also fell short of telling you some things I wanted to know such as more details after the war in Bela Russa, Israel and the US... only very brief broad details.
The main thing the book shows in my opinion is how amazing it was what Tuvia did... he was juggling so many things and did them with deft and ease while saving any and every Jew he could.

1) Germans coming at any time into the forest and killing some of his people.
2) Negotiating dangerous food missions and where to go to get it.
3) Building a community with at the end was 1200 people.
4) Dealing with the Russian partisan Generals and groups and how they dealt with Jews, him and his group... they were not high on the idea of protecting anyone that was a burden, non fighters... there was anti-semitism among their ranks and some escaping ghetto dwellers were murdered not by Germans but by Russian partisans... different Russian Generals 2 of whom respected and admired him and some who were against him.
5) Dissension among his ranks. In particular she talks about an autonomous group within whose leader went to a Russian general and tried to undercut Bielski and say he was bilking recepits etc... Tuvia handles it with his right hand people with straightfowardness and charisma.
6) Farmers who would blame the Jews for the fact they had nothing to give to Russian groups... in 1 instance Tuvia arranged for a setup and caught the Bela Russia farmer lying with the Russians... only given a shot bcs the Russian General was enamored with Tuvia.
7) Building a community a few times and running it alone in the woods is amazing... they had a tannery, bakery, gun repair shop all famous in the woods and won the group brownie points with the Russians... and school etc... these helped Tuvia hold off Russian partisan complaints about the number of non fighters in his group in the forest...About 70-80% of his group were elderly, women or very young and non fighters "malbusha" or "former elite upper class"... the Russians took about 50% of their fighters as part of the compromise to help or look the other way at their group's makeup... and the Russians were impressed with their fighters...
8) After the war he had to organize 1200 people and lead them out of the forest and to town some 15-20 miles away and make sure everyone had papers etc...

The book talks about how his next closest brother in age, Assael was much beloved by the fighters and regular people in the group and how he may have been the best fighter 'general' of the group but that he nor Zus had the charisma and wisdom to always handle all these situations with so many different people within the Otriad and more importantly outside to be able to think in the person's shoes he was speaking to... as Tuvia... The book only briefly speaks about how Tuvia was let down in the rest of his life... perhaps bcs of how underappreciated the partisans were for most of his life in Israel and the US but also due of the fact that he was a King for a few years... a King the way you read tales about them hundreds of years ago & once you are that the rest of your life can't measure up to that feeling of accomplishment and importance.

462 Mike Nargizian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:58:22am

FINALLY -
I think Tec and the partisans wanted to forget some of the controversial things and unpleasant things that likely occured in those years within the group and outside of it... reading it I guess that there are some things Tec doesn't really touch on or not in great detail... and I think this may have played a role in the underappreciation, especially in comparison to other Holocaust era stories and "heroes" of the Tuvia and his group...

Tec estimates that Bielski saved some 1200 people and only lost some 5-10% whereas most other partisan groups, and there was another all fighter well know Jewish partisan group in the forest as well as Jews who fought with Russian partisan groups... lost somewhere between 50-80% of their people... this fact she surmises at the end is testament to Tuvia's skills and obssession to save as many Jews as possible... and I believe while tangentally touching on some of the controversy in many spots... speaks to the absolute HEROIC skills and bravery of Bielski and what predominately matters most in the history books at the end of the day.

463 Mike Nargizian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:02:29am

I'm stating at the end that that is what I feel Tec is trying to convey at the end of the book... touching very briefly on only some of the controversies that occured during and after the forest in BelaRussia but focusing in like a laser at the truly AMAZING things Tuvia did and showing/proving that with the aid of some valiant people within but with his King/General leadership sills accomplished.

464 topazpilot  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:05:59am

My take on the Oscars:

The Hugh Jackman intro nearly made me turn the channel, though I must admit it was better than some lame comedian performing a yawn inducing stand up routine for half an hour.

The intros from previous Academy Award winners was annoying and overly fawning. I hope that is an idea that will not be repeated in the future.

The two best films of last year were not even nominated, the Dark Knight and Wall E. It's too bad that the Academy Awards routinely ignore scifi/fantasy movies in favor of melancholic pseudo dramas that make me want to slice and dice my wrists.

Sean Penn won for Best Actor and he should have. Spicoli is truly an amazing actor, one of the best in the business. It's too bad that he can be such a loon when off the set. His acceptance speech started on a humorous note and then turned boorish by the end.

I guess Kate Winslet was good, she is a pretty good actress, but what Anne Hathaway did with her character, both funny and tragic at the same time, a woman in search of redemption, was truly amazing. Hathaway should have won.

Heath Ledger should have won and I'm glad he did. I just hope people don't think he got it solely based upon sympathy and not on the amazing job he did in turning a sadistic clown into the architect of a modern moralist play on the nature of humanity. It was breathtaking.

I don't agree with the Penelope Cruz selection. I've never been impressed by her acting chops and I'm still not. Marisa Tomei was a true wonder in the Wrestler and she should have won her second Oscar.

I guess out of the movies nominated Slumdog was the best of the bunch, see above to see which two I thought were the actual best movies of the year. I find it funny that the Academy always seems like it tries to make up for not nominating or giving the prize to a scifi action type of film by giving it all the second tier technical awards. The Dark Knight cleaned up, in some respects, with those. It's cold comfort. I wouldn't have had a problem if Milk had won, it is a great movie even with extreme liberal political bent of its message. Sometimes I just have to ignore the politics and appreciate a good movie or good music.

Something I found interesting was during the obligatory obituary tribute. Polite applause, some more enthusiastic, for all except one. Charlton Heston. Total graveyard silence. Disappointing that because of his politics liberal Hollywood could not appreciate one of the tranformative actors in movie history, whose movies are considered some of the great classics of film. He deserved just as much, if not more, applause than that which was given to Paul Newman. Shame on all of those tinhat "actors" in attendance.

465 topazpilot  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:11:14am

Oh, forgot to mention. Maybe one day the Academy will recognize that comedy is the hardest discipline in all moviedom and that actors who truly are able to accomplish a true, original comedic performance should be recognized because comedy is more difficult to achieve than drama. In that, one of the best acting jobs of last year was that of Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder and he should have been nominated for that performance.

466 gegenkritik  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:45:44am

I assume "The Reader" is as bad as the book was.
Ron Rosenbaum about the movie:

[Link: www.slate.com...]

467 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:38am

This one's for Zombie and SFZionist:

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

468 Pickles  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:05pm

I agree with TopazPilot above in that the overwhelming silence given to Charlton Heston speaks volumes about this group of people. Yes Paul Newman was a fantastic actor. So was Heston. The fact that they couldn't bring themselves to give any applause at all shows how classless they are.


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We haven't got'em whipped on this one yet. You got a bear by the tail here, uh? Jeezis! -- Bill of Rights ground into 'hoopla' by a woman (presumably a senator's wife). from sleeve MOP -1985.