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1 beblebrox  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:50:53am

the world weirdest rollercoaster. it only goes down!

2 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:51:40am

What is there to like?

3 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:51:47am

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

4 Raven1  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:51:50am

Obama has a plan. To destroy capitalism.

5 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:51:50am

We all saw this coming.

6 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:52:11am

Pretty soon "absolute zero" is going to have so many different meanings...

Long hair & spaghetti do not mix.

7 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:52:32am

OT, as usual.

Book Lovers' Alert:

The Nanny State goes mad and bans all children's books published before 1985.

Why?

Because they may contain miniscule and absolutely harmless traces of lead in the pigments.

Not. A. Joke.

8 gregg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:52:43am

As taxpayers, we are paying $12.50 a share for Citi while it's trading on the open market at $2.20. Obama drives a hard bargain.

9 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:52:44am
10 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:52:53am

Not surprised. My mom called me this weekend and she's pulling out of the market. She'd rather take the tax hit now and salvage something rather than wait.

11 JohnnyReb  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:53:00am

According to Fox, the One is giving a speech at an economic summit right now. Expect more downward movement.

12 ctrlL  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:53:19am

We can thank our dear leader for this ...

Who was it that said the Presidency is not a good place to learn on the job? Was it Hillary or Biden?

He is even too arrogant (at the moment) to listen or learn.

13 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:53:30am

the market is responding exactly as predicted.

14 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:53:39am

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

It really doesn't matter if you aren't allowed keep it anyway.

15 Raven1  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:53:43am

Here in Massachusetts, Deval Patrick, our governor has a plan. To destroy capitalism.

16 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:07am

re: #8 gregg

As taxpayers, we are paying $12.50 a share for Citi while it's trading on the open market at $2.20. Obama drives a hard bargain.

Hard on us.

17 kynna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:23am

re: #1 beblebrox

the world weirdest rollercoaster. it only goes down!

And if it only goes down, it eventually ends up ... where?

Not. Liking. These. Interesting. Times.

18 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:30am

re: #15 Raven1

Here in Massachusetts, Deval Patrick, our governor has a plan. To destroy capitalism.

Lets reach for that.

Greetings from the North Shore!

19 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:31am

Talk about evil. The Dems tanked the economy so they can gain power to destroy everything we love.

20 Gella  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:41am

MSM is making it worse then it is, its lights even higher flame
MSM is scaring everybody therefor market is going down at this moment

21 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:45am

re: #15 Raven1

Here in New Jersey, Jon Corzine, our governor has a plan. To destroy capitalism.

22 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:59am

What I don't understand, and I'm the first to admit I don't get all this economic stuff, is that these wall street types voted for Obama?

23 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:55:06am

Obama is sending mixed messages

With the U.S. government racing toward $10 trillion in spending and loan guarantees to confront the recession, President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.

Huh?

24 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:55:09am

So what will the MSM blame it on today? They've steadfastly avoided blaming any of the fall on Obama's actions.

25 Kragar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:55:21am

Posted this last thread, but works better in a business free fall thread:

Well, I just found out our team lead, whom we had dubbed "Nowhere Man", since he routinely ducked calls, never responded to emails, never offered guidance and delegated all his duties to team members on top of their regular workload will be moving on to a new contract. Apparently, his entire stint on our team was simply to build his resume while he looked for greener pastures and he is leaving us with a shit sandwich to deal with since he wasn't passing information effectively.

YAY!

26 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:55:52am

re: #23 midwestgak

Obama is sending mixed messages

With the U.S. government racing toward $10 trillion in spending and loan guarantees to confront the recession, President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.

Huh?

He means the defense budget.

27 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:56:12am

re: #23 midwestgak

Obama is sending mixed messages

With the U.S. government racing toward $10 trillion in spending and loan guarantees to confront the recession, President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.

Huh?

Don't worry, he'll kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

28 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:56:13am

re: #20 Gella

MSM is making it worse then it is, its lights even higher flame
MSM is scaring everybody therefor market is going down at this moment

If you held stock that was about to be even further diluted or wiped out by the fed, would you sit on it?

29 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:56:18am

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

I have the same question. I mentioned this a few days ago. The Porktacular is likely to cause high levels of inflation, I think, which usually means that the Fed will increase interest rates, and repeatedly buying short-term bonds (as in a mutual fund dedicated to that purpose) yields good returns. But I don't think the Fed would raise interest rates with the economy shrinking, right?

I'm not trying to offer advice, because I don't know. I'm just asking too.

Maybe there's a mutual fund that only buys stock in companies that contributed to the Obama campaign, and therefore will get paid off by the Porkapalooza.

30 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:56:19am

re: #23 midwestgak

Obama is sending mixed messages

With the U.S. government racing toward $10 trillion in spending and loan guarantees to confront the recession, President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.

Huh?

He's going to raise taxes and he's going to use the deficit he helped to create as an excuse to do it.

31 dentate  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:56:56am

Don't worry, Biden will fix it. He has shown impeccable insight and judgment in the past. Frontal lobes? He don't need no stinkin' frontal lobes!

32 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:03am

Am I the only optimist here!
/

33 Gella  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:06am

re: #28 Wendya

If you held stock that was about to be even further diluted or wiped out by the fed, would you sit on it?

no, i would not, but MSM is one to blame also

34 walter l. newton  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:09am

re: #20 Gella

MSM is making it worse then it is, its lights even higher flame. MSM is scaring everybody therefor market is going down at this moment

No, it is bad. And if the MSM would report it honestly, it would be worst.

35 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:19am

/Happy days are here again.

36 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:20am

re: #30 loppyd

He's going to raise taxes and he's going to use the deficit he helped to create as an excuse to do it.

OK. Anyone who is surprised by this raise your hands... Anyone...Anyone...

37 Raven1  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:43am

re: #18 loppyd

Hi loppyd. Greetings from central Mass! I feel like I'm being tag-teamed between Deval and Obama. It is painful.

38 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:57am

Bus companies across Canada saw dip in ridership after beheading in Manitoba

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Ya think?

39 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:03am
As I write, the Dow index is down more than 140 points

Remember the good, old days when this would have attracted nothing more than a moment's pause?

40 Gella  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:07am

re: #34 walter l. newton

No, it is bad. And if the MSM would report it honestly, it would be worst.

I know its bad, MSM is making it worse by scaring everybody, they are playing one way game

41 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:20am

re: #30 loppyd

President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.

After signing the largest federal expenditure bill in history?

Well, it's certainly not time to clamp down on irony.

42 gregg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:24am

re: #16 Ford_Prefect

Hard on us.

Citi's market cap is around $10 billion and the government wants to convert $45 billion in preferred stock into 40% of Citi's common stock. If you didn't attend an Ivy league school, you wouldn't understand how the government is getting a good deal.

43 Kailen  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:29am

Come on, everybody knows that Obama voters live in opposite land. They are celebrating the wonderful stock market news today.

And they are celebrating the report on Gitmo leaked today, saying how rotten and horrible Gitmo was, and that all the criticism of Bush was justified: [Link: www.newsmax.com...]

It must be nice to be an Obama supporter and live in opposite world.

44 beens21  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:30am

I think Obama was asked the question at his news conference if the stock market would be a measure of success of the stimulus, he dodged it and said 'jobs created or saved ' would be the measure. I really believe that O thinks the stock market is a rich white man's gamble, and he is not concerned about it.

45 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:39am

re: #32 Oh no...Sand People!

That hurt just to watch.

46 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:42am

Thanks Timmy and O-Bambi!
(I looked at my last quarterly satement, those &^%$#@!@!'s)

47 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:59:07am

I don't want BHO to fail. I want the economy to get better. It is still possible, even under the socialist state that the ONE™ wants for us. Highly unlikely, but still possible.

48 walter l. newton  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:59:25am

re: #40 Gella

I know its bad, MSM is making it worse by scaring everybody, they are playing one way game

Example. Link.

49 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:19am

I'm getting clobbered but I have to ride it out...I have no other choices....this whole friggin thing is contrived which is what sets off a burning rage...it didnt need to happen...but it is the plan...
Step 1 wreck the economy

50 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:24am

Weird narcissism north bulletin:

Iggy does Broadway

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff posts his picture with Obama up in Times Square

51 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:24am

re: #44 beens21

I think Obama was asked the question at his news conference if the stock market would be a measure of success of the stimulus, he dodged it and said 'jobs created or saved ' would be the measure. I really believe that O thinks the stock market is a rich white man's gamble, and he is not concerned about it.


I believe he knows better and is trying to spin his way out of answering to the media.

52 Gella  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:24am

re: #48 walter l. newton

Example. Link.


just open msnbc.com, or cnn

53 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:26am

re: #22 Nevergiveup

What I don't understand, and I'm the first to admit I don't get all this economic stuff, is that these wall street types voted for Obama?

Those Wall Street types have insider information that they can use accordingly.

54 snowcrash  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:34am

re: #18 loppyd
My BFF (lol) lives in Lynnfield MA and she froths at the mouth when anyone mentions Devals name. She wants him in a cabinet position ASAP.

55 rawmuse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:36am

Gee, I am so glad I worked my ass off for the last 20 years and bought stocks.
This year, hookers and crack. /s

56 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:59am

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

Sealy
Simmons

57 Russkilitlover  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:00am

And class envy is back with a vengence with the Obama admin. It's sad to hear so many of my acquaintances, peers, friends, colleagues, all state that maybe bank nationalization is a GOOD thing, and that "Wall Street" deserves to be falling, and that the government helping out the losers...er...victims of mortgage mayhem is just peachy.

58 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:23am
59 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:23am

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Posted this last thread, but works better in a business free fall thread:

Well, I just found out our team lead, whom we had dubbed "Nowhere Man", since he routinely ducked calls, never responded to emails, never offered guidance and delegated all his duties to team members on top of their regular workload will be moving on to a new contract. Apparently, his entire stint on our team was simply to build his resume while he looked for greener pastures and he is leaving us with a shit sandwich to deal with since he wasn't passing information effectively.

YAY!

i didn't know you were on Ear Leader's transition team....

60 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:30am

re: #47 Golem Akbar

I don't want BHO to fail. I want the economy to get better. It is still possible, even under the socialist state that the ONE™ wants for us. Highly unlikely, but still possible.

It's also possible that my bulldog might suddenly start walking on his hind legs and opening doors for himself.

61 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:42am

re: #36 Ford_Prefect

OK. Anyone who is surprised by this raise your hands... Anyone...Anyone...

He told us (well, Joe) that he iis going to spread the wealth.

I think that when some people on the fence voted for him they had no idea of the dire straits they would find themselves in and now they can't afford this clown.

62 simonml  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:48am

Spend more! That's it!

"I have not yet begun to spend." - BHO

63 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:48am

re: #53 NYCHardhat

Those Wall Street types have insider information that they can use accordingly.

What I mean is they are getting killed also. Why would they vote for Obama when nothing he said he'll do or is doing makes any sense?

64 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:02:06am

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

I have no freakin' clue.

65 Russkilitlover  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:02:21am

re: #30 loppyd

He's going to raise taxes and he's going to use the deficit he helped to create as an excuse to do it.

That's been the plan all along. Not to mention exponential increase is folks dependent upon government largess.

66 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:02:40am

re: #64 Dianna

I have no freakin' clue.

Then you know more than Obama.

67 walter l. newton  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:02:59am

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

Goldfish!

68 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:06am

re: #63 Nevergiveup

What I mean is they are getting killed also. Why would they vote for Obama when nothing he said he'll do or is doing makes any sense?

The floor guys are getting killed. The big boys did the killing.

69 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:07am

Rick Moran says,

There's a reason gold is over $1000 an ounce. There is a reason investors are fleeing into government bonds. There's a reason the stock market is tanking.

It's because no one knows what these revolutionaries are going to do next. And it doesn't help when Harry Reid decides to call a spade a heart and plays down a government takeover at Citigroup as just looking out for taxpayer's interests - as if the trillions already spent show how much Democrats care about taxpayers.

70 walter l. newton  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:23am

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

Cowbell. Can never have enough cowbell.

71 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:30am

re: #57 Russkilitlover

And class envy is back with a vengence with the Obama admin. It's sad to hear so many of my acquaintances, peers, friends, colleagues, all state that maybe bank nationalization is a GOOD thing, and that "Wall Street" deserves to be falling, and that the government helping out the losers...er...victims of mortgage mayhem is just peachy.

Wait until they're being told by PB0 that the "rich" - are they themselves ... and will be taxed accordingly.

72 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:35am

Food for thought:

• Last time the stock market had a January as bad as January 2009, Henry Ford was still marketing quadricycles!

• Doug Ross' graph, Lower Lows Despite High Hopes, is interesting.

• If the current worldwide financial crisis started in, and was caused by, the US, why does the US GDP show the smallest decline of all of the affected countries?

• If the problem with the current recession is a credit crunch, why is consumer lending stronger than in any of the past 9 recessions?

• Two good articles on the financial troubles of California and New York:
-What If New York Goes Bust?
-Death of the California Dream

73 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:42am

So my Eddie Jones broker sends me this prospectus. Says buy Caterpillar. Big fucking buy recommendations. At 33. So I look and its at 25. I guess it's really a "bargain" now.

74 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:47am

They just played a clip of Obama saying we will cut the deficit he inherited by half by 2012.

Really? The day Barry took office the deficit was at least $800 BILLION less than what it is now.

Such a liar.

75 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:49am

re: #58 taxfreekiller

Markets do not like uncertainty, and Obama is uncertainty.

As always, you have just hit the nail on the head.

76 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:50am

The daily trends can drive you crazy, but it's significant IMHO that between 20 January and 23 February, the Dow dropped almost 728 points (about 9.2%). Since the inauguration, nothing that has been done/proposed by the incoming administration has succeeded in slowing this trend.

And I don't believe it's over - or even close to being over.

77 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:58am

re: #7 Cato the Elder

"as usual".

LOL.

78 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:04am

We were the change we were waiting for?

79 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:05am

re: #58 taxfreekiller

Markets do not like uncertainty, and Obama is uncertainty.

I must disagree, this is pretty freakin certain.

80 phoenixgirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:08am

thank you president obama/

82 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:35am

All the warnings about stimulus where about the "4 hours" thing.

I don't remember warnings about "shrinkage."

83 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:45am

re: #65 Russkilitlover

That's been the plan all along. Not to mention exponential increase is folks dependent upon government largess.

Definitely. He wants to expand the welfare state so more and more people will have no choice but to depend on government.

84 simonml  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:47am

re: #55 rawmuse

Gee, I am so glad I worked my ass off for the last 20 years and bought stocks.
This year, hookers and crack. /s

There's a good return on hookers and crack. Usually burning urination aplenty

85 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:49am

re: #47 Golem Akbar

I don't want BHO to fail. I want the economy to get better. It is still possible, even under the socialist state that the ONE™ wants for us. Highly unlikely, but still possible.

I do want BHO to fail in his attempt to ruin the economy and the country. Fail at turning the country into the Weimar Republic or changing the national anthem to "L'Internationale." I want the economy to get better. The right way. These are not mutually exclusive desires.

86 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:51am
87 redseeped  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:02am

It is logical.
How do you elevate someones confidence in their future if after you defrauded the person and you are offering to bail him out by spending more of his now nonexisting financial reserves?
And by the way, I see no Dems or Repubs here, just plain ignorant, stupid, self-important and corrupt politicians at work.

88 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:11am

re: #18 loppyd

Lets reach for that.

Greetings from the North Shore!

I love the North Shore

89 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:11am

re: #44 beens21

I think Obama was asked the question at his news conference if the stock market would be a measure of success of the stimulus, he dodged it and said 'jobs created or saved ' would be the measure. I really believe that O thinks the stock market is a rich white man's gamble, and he is not concerned about it.

And, he seems to have the curious disconnect between the market and employment.

90 Kragar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:12am

Here is my video to represent todays current stock market news:

91 phoenixgirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:30am

re: #82 jcm

All the warnings about stimulus where about the "4 hours" thing.

I don't remember warnings about "shrinkage."

roflmao

92 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:32am

re: #82 jcm

All the warnings about stimulus where about the "4 hours" thing.

I don't remember warnings about "shrinkage."

Hey, the market is really cold!

/

93 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:37am

re: #76 subsailor68

The daily trends can drive you crazy, but it's significant IMHO that between 20 January and 23 February, the Dow dropped almost 728 points (about 9.2%). Since the inauguration, nothing that has been done/proposed by the incoming administration has succeeded in slowing this trend.

And I don't believe it's over - or even close to being over.

It isn't close to being over

94 Sheepdogess  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:42am

re: #7 Cato the Elder

Holy.
Shit.

95 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:42am

re: #61 loppyd

He told us (well, Joe) that he iis going to spread the wealth.

I think that when some people on the fence voted for him they had no idea of the dire straits they would find themselves in and now they can't afford this clown.

The problem is, he doesn't realize that people stop creating wealth when the government is just going to take it away.

96 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:47am

re: #66 Nevergiveup

Then you know more than Obama.

It would be hard to know less! And at least I know it!

97 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:01am

Hoping for Change...

98 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:07am

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Think of it as practice for the Obama years.

99 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:19am

re: #60 Wendya

It's also possible that my bulldog might suddenly start walking on his hind legs and opening doors for himself.


Yeah, just about as likely [maybe more].

100 phoenixgirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:24am

re: #97 BigPapa

Hoping for Change...

i'm just hoping to survive

101 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:44am

re: #13 redc1c4

the market is responding exactly as predicted.

Anybody here watch Death Note?

"Just...as...planned!"

102 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:45am

re: #70 walter l. newton

Cowbell. Can never have enough cowbell.

103 ddd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:47am

the market realizes he is an incompetent idiot. The market is down over 25% since election day.

104 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:48am

re: #70 walter l. newton

Cowbell. Can never have enough cowbell.

Oh man! I busted up on that one!

105 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:54am

re: #54 snowcrash

My BFF (lol) lives in Lynnfield MA and she froths at the mouth when anyone mentions Devals name. She wants him in a cabinet position ASAP.

Lynnfield is lovely. I have been known to froth over Cadillac Devaly myself!

He is a radical, incompetent fool so he would fit right in with the O crowd.

106 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:08am

We need this to fail and fail fast. The cancer of Obama needs aggressive chemotherapy. That is the only way.

107 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:13am

I'm in for the ride. I lost so much the last four months today's losses aren't going to make much difference. Selling now would just lock the loss.

108 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:16am

re: #96 Dianna

It would be hard to know less! And at least I know it!

A man ( or girl ) should always know their limitations!
The Bard of SF

109 gregg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:21am

re: #58 taxfreekiller

Markets do not like uncertainty, and Obama is uncertainty.

I beg to differ, I think the market is certain he is clueless.

110 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:21am

re: #95 Kosh's Shadow

The problem is, he doesn't realize that people stop creating wealth when the government is just going to take it away.

Actually he knows it & he is counting on it.

111 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:24am

C'mon, you know this is all happening because Bush cut taxes for the wealthy.

It's Wealthy's fault.

Bad Wealth.

Bad, naughty Wealth.

112 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:28am

re: #103 ddd

the market realizes he is an incompetent idiot. The market is down over 25% since election day.

...Over 25 percent. Okay...ah...where's the news about this? Or are we blaming Bush for this?

113 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:29am

re: #88 Leonidas Hoplite

I love the North Shore

Are you in MA?

114 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:40am

re: #69 midwestgak

We just dumped a Citi bond for about half its face value.

That should tell you how much our investment advisor trusts the government.

115 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:41am

re: #93 Leonidas Hoplite

It isn't close to being over

You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)

116 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:46am

re: #30 loppyd

And don't forget...

He's going to raise taxes, cut defense spending, and he's going to use the deficit he helped to create as an excuse to do it.

117 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:47am

re: #107 Thanos

I'm in for the ride. I lost so much the last four months today's losses aren't going to make much difference. Selling now would just lock the loss.

Same here.

118 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:51am

When there is no more money, we will still have ink and paper. This is the reality of the Obama Economy.

119 Bob Dillon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:59am

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

Kenneth - all due respect, this is like phoning a Doctor and asking for a Rx without a hands on diagnosis.

I would suggest to you this tho - read "The Pirates of Manhattan" as a starter.

120 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:07am

re: #107 Thanos

I'm in for the ride. I lost so much the last four months today's losses aren't going to make much difference. Selling now would just lock the loss.

That's how I feel. And pass that bottle please.

121 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:13am

That Flopping Aces link to the Fox/ACORN video is awesome.

122 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:23am

This would be a great time to raise taxes.

Then everybody would go out and buy products and stock.

123 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:28am
The market does not seem to be responding very well to the massive spending bill signed by Barack Obama.


Actually, it is responding very well to what the spending bill will do to the economy.

124 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:37am

re: #82 jcm

All the warnings about stimulus where about the "4 hours" thing.

I don't remember warnings about "shrinkage."

i 'member Plugs telling us that Ear Leader would make a decision, and we'd have to trust that it was the right one, even though it might not seem like it at the time.

i think we're there.

125 phoenixgirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:42am

re: #120 Nevergiveup

That's how I feel. And pass that bottle please.

how low can it go?! how low can it go?! gulp!

126 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:47am

Soviet industry is building more tractors.

127 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:05am

re: #117 scottishbuzzsaw

Same here.

My biggest investment is my former retirement fund.

Welcome to Wal-Mart! Would you like a bag for your umbrella?

128 Kragar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:06am

re: #101 davinvalkri

Anybody here watch Death Note?

"Just...as...planned!"

First movie was good, second wasn't that great.

129 notutopia  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:14am

re: #107 Thanos

I'm in for the ride. I lost so much the last four months today's losses aren't going to make much difference. Selling now would just lock the loss.

Same here Thanos.

130 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:16am

re: #122 Ben Hur

This would be a great time to raise taxes.

Then everybody would go out and buy products and stock.

And expand their business and hire new employees!

131 simonml  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:26am

re: #115 subsailor68

You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)

Price is Right rules? $1

132 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:28am

re: #122 Ben Hur

This would be a great time to raise taxes.

Then everybody would go out and buy products and stock.

Indeed. Higher taxes will be the cherry on top.

133 kafir lover  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:37am

re: #64 Dianna

Timing - The market will come back, but a friend of mine doing a Harvard MBA says they are not anticipating a real recovery for 2 years. He has also taken all of his family money out of the market entirely - since October. There will be plenty of bargains around - personally, I plan to save as much as I can for now, pay down debt and keep an ear to the ground for when to start buying.

134 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:42am
135 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:45am

Update on the litigious Mr. Spencer from Javazen....
Changes to the Blog Roll

It (Spencer's legal threat-ed) contains the same IP address as captured by Wordpress from the original email message sent via the contact form on JZ:TOL, namely, 72.71.205.239. This increases my confidence that the original email message was indeed from Mr. Spencer.
....
He definitely should know better and if he has been “careless” then his refutation should be commensurate with the magnitude of his “carelessness.”
...
I find Mr. Spencer’s explanation, at least so far, less than adequate. And I do hope that changes.
....
Mr. Spencer has positioned himself as an expert in Islam and jihad. The content and message of his web site is under his control.

...I removed the link to Ann Coulter’s site as well for similar reasons. She is in control of the content and message of her web site.
....
But as I said before, the ends do not justify the means.

I can assure my readers, if any other individuals with sites are currently linked on the JZ:TOL blog roll cross such a line, they, too, will be unlinked.

It's really odd that Spencer is going to threaten legal action over the blogroll of a blog that has pretty much stopped posting. I guess that's just how petty he has become. Javazen is also receiving angry emails from Spencer's supporters.

136 phoenixgirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:53am

re: #130 Wendya

And expand their business and hire new employees!

and give the fiscally irresponsible more money!/

137 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:54am

re: #85 ArchangelMichael

I do want BHO to fail in his attempt to ruin the economy and the country. Fail at turning the country into the Weimar Republic or changing the national anthem to "L'Internationale." I want the economy to get better. The right way. These are not mutually exclusive desires.

As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.

138 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:00am

re: #37 Raven1

Hi loppyd. Greetings from central Mass! I feel like I'm being tag-teamed between Deval and Obama. It is painful.

You feel like that because YOU ARE!

Luckily, I work 5 miles to the NH border and plan to do weekly fill ups. I'll stock up on Twizzlers if Deval gets his candy tax.

139 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:15am

re: #134 buzzsawmonkey

Owe-bama.

That's a bumper sticker.

140 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:19am

re: #111 Ben Hur

C'mon, you know this is all happening because Bush cut taxes for the wealthy.

It's Wealthy's fault.

Bad Wealth.

Bad, naughty Wealth.

Send it to the Time-Out Chair.

141 mep481@gmail.com  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:20am

At least we know now that nobody can do anything to stop the drop-off.

If our savior can't do it, no one can!

142 walter l. newton  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:22am

re: #104 Oh no...Sand People!

Oh man! I busted up on that one!

Thanks

I'm going to take a nap. Long week ahead, "hell" week, our new show opens friday, late nights a coming until opening.

143 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:22am

re: #115 subsailor68

You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)

all of us?

144 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:29am

You, Sportsman's Guide is having a sale on surplus MRE's and freeze-dried food. Just thought I mention it to anyone thinking of heading for the hills.

No, it;s not the end of the world. Fin de sicle, maybe.

145 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:42am

re: #122 Ben Hur

This would be a great time to raise taxes.

Then everybody would go out and buy products and stock.

Yes, because we all know there's no correlation between consumer purchases and money in pocket!
/sarc sarc sarc!

146 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:54am

re: #137 Golem Akbar

As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.

Clinto had Gingrich. Obama has Pelosi. Nuff said.

147 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:06am

re: #116 Leonidas Hoplite

And don't forget...

How's he going to square that with his surge in Afghanistan that nobody is talking about? Will John Kerry scream about fighting a war on the cheap?

148 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:07am

re: #93 Leonidas Hoplite

The floor is 6000.

/If we're lucky.

149 Anon 1:50  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:12am

Well, it's obvious, isn't it?

It MUST be RAAAAAAAACISM!

150 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:13am

There was the "New Deal" and the "Great Society". What is this boondoggle gonna be called?

151 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:13am

re: #143 redc1c4

all of us?

LOL! Yeah!

152 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:14am

re: #115 subsailor68

You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)

It wasn't me, but I'll second that motion.

153 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:14am

re: #144 calcajun

You, Sportsman's Guide is having a sale on surplus MRE's and freeze-dried food. Just thought I mention it to anyone thinking of heading for the hills.

No, it;s not the end of the world. Fin de sicle, maybe.

Let's leave frozen fish on a stick out of this!

154 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:20am

DEMOCRATS LIED!
MY 401K DIED!

But we have an "elegant man President".
Sean Penn

155 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:24am

re: #124 redc1c4

i 'member Plugs telling us that Ear Leader would make a decision, and we'd have to trust that it was the right one, even though it might not seem like it at the time.

i think we're there.

This the domestic crisis.

Wait for the international one.

How much does a bomb shelter cost these days?
///

156 Shug  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:27am

Those were the days.


Boy, the way Glenn Miller played. Songs that made the Hit Parade.
Guys like us, we had it made. Those were the days.
Didn't need no welfare state. Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.
And you know who you were then. Girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent. Those were the days.

157 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:39am

re: #150 Nevergiveup

There was the "New Deal" and the "Great Society". What is this boondoggle gonna be called?

BOHICA

158 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:42am

I wrote Tom Udall here in NM imploring him to vote against the spending bill...I just got a reply outling all the pork for our state...he said the feds are not spending the money, WE ARE! and I should be happy....fucking moron

159 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:53am

re: #118 Kreuzueber Halbmond

When there is no more money, we will still have ink and paper. This is the reality of the Obama Economy.

The new economy under 0bama:

160 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:09am

re: #124 redc1c4

i 'member Plugs telling us that Ear Leader would make a decision, and we'd have to trust that it was the right one, even though it might not seem like it at the time.

i think we're there.

Biggest spending bill in history, nobody's allowed to read it before it's signed into law, nobody even really knows where the money is going, and it seems like a colossal mistake to most people in America. But we must trust that it's the right thing to do, because Obama has that whole tingly leg thing going on.

Okay, good plan.

161 mep481@gmail.com  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:09am

re: #115 subsailor68

You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)

we should be so lucky

162 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:14am

re: #113 loppyd

Are you in MA?


No, I live in NY but vacation in the North Shore (Rockport/Gloucester) every summer. Good Harbor Beach is awesome.

163 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:17am

re: #146 NYCHardhat

Clinto had Gingrich. Obama has Pelosi. Nuff said.

I agree. It's really up to us. The opposition right needs to step up and bail out the country. The dems can't do by themselves.

164 Bob Dillon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:18am

re: #64 Dianna

I have no freakin' clue.

Watched Patton last night - reminded of the scene when he takes over his new command - trips over a GI sleeping in a hallway. "What are you doing down there." "Trying to get some sleep, sir." Well, lay back down and continue - you're the only SOB who knows what their doing around here."

165 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:19am

(eyes glazed over in trance)

"there is no Hope except for Change.
"There is no Change except for Hope.
There is no Hope except for Change.
Wealth is Greed.
Tax is Hope.
Obama is Change."

"There is no Hope except Change...."

(eyes glazed over in trance)

166 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:23am

re: #60 Wendya

It's also possible that my bulldog might suddenly start walking on his hind legs and opening doors for himself.

I have poodles. They are far more likely to walk on their hind legs and start opening doors than the Minus Man (new name for the 0) is to actually fix the economy.
Unless you use "fix" in the same sense as it is used with dogs.

167 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:27am

re: #154 IslandLibertarian

DEMOCRATS LIED!
MY 401K DIED!

But we have an "elegant man President".
Sean Penn

Listening to Sean Penn is akin to washing doen a handful of Xanax with cheap tequila.

/bad fer yer brain-cells

168 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:31am

When do they start blaming the Joos?re: #140 MandyManners

Send it to the Time-Out Chair.

LOL!

He sent it to the electric chair!

169 JohnAdams  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:33am

re: #144 calcajun

You, Sportsman's Guide is having a sale on surplus MRE's and freeze-dried food. Just thought I mention it to anyone thinking of heading for the hills.

No, it;s not the end of the world. Fin de sicle, maybe.

Where can I get the best deal on a Remington 780 shotgun?

170 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:35am

re: #148 joncelli

The floor is 6000.

/If we're lucky.

I'm going to go one better and say 5500.
But hey, maybe I'll catch the rebound!
I just hope there is a rebound!

171 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:50am

re: #150 Nevergiveup

There was the "New Deal" and the "Great Society". What is this boondoggle gonna be called?

One
Big
Ass
Mistake,
America

172 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:51am

re: #150 Nevergiveup

There was the "New Deal" and the "Great Society". What is this boondoggle gonna be called?

USA--under new management.

173 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:56am

re: #137 Golem Akbar

As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.

So do I. First, your point about the Chinese wanting free enterprise to work is a good one. Second, Putin warned Obama that socialism doesn't work.

How messed up are things when the Chinese and the Russians are trying to tell us something about the system that built this great country?

174 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:09am

re: #112 davinvalkri

...Over 25 percent. Okay...ah...where's the news about this? Or are we blaming Bush for this?

Course we are, whaddaya think!

////

175 phoenixgirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:16am

re: #171 NYCHardhat

One
Big
Ass
Mistake,
America

that should be a shirt

176 Lincolntf  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:16am

re: #158 albusteve

"...he said the feds are not spending the money, WE ARE! ..."

That's hilarious.

177 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:19am

re: #114 Dianna

We just dumped a Citi bond for about half its face value.

That should tell you how much our investment advisor trusts the government.

Here's some comfort/

Now, the Obama White House will appoint a new internal "stimulus czar" to the Obama White House, to oversee the Obama White House. All is well. All is well. Keep repeating: All is well.

178 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:23am

We had Reaganomics, when will that start calling it Oconomics

179 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:39am
180 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:46am

re: #168 Ben Hur

When do they start blaming the Joos?


LOL!

He sent it to the electric chair!

When do they start blaming the Joos?

/Was supposed to be at the bottom

181 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:55am

re: #162 Leonidas Hoplite

No, I live in NY but vacation in the North Shore (Rockport/Gloucester) every summer. Good Harbor Beach is awesome.

Big waves at Good Harbor - and warm water.

I'm a Crane Beach girl....but we tend to be on the boat and just end up where we end up.

So I guess you've eaten at the Lobster Pool?

182 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:07am

re: #169 JohnAdams

Where can I get the best deal on a Remington 780 shotgun?

I'd suggest your local firearm stores (unless you're in NYC) for consignment/used sales.

183 Shug  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:08am

Hi Ho Ho Ho
It's off to work I go
To pay the rent for those who can't
Hi ho. Hi Ho

184 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:13am

re: #38 Nevergiveup

Bus companies across Canada saw dip in ridership after beheading in Manitoba

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Ya think?

"I'd like a seat in the non-beheading section, please."

185 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:14am

re: #158 albusteve

I wrote Tom Udall here in NM imploring him to vote against the spending bill...I just got a reply outling all the pork for our state...he said the feds are not spending the money, WE ARE! and I should be happy....fucking moron

I received the same response and sent a blistering letter back in response to that.

186 mep481@gmail.com  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:16am

re: #168 Ben Hur

they already have. check it out.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:19am

Looks like a lot of the stock-owning yuppies who thought Our Messiah-King was better than McCain in being able to fix the economy are less charitable now that O has come out of the moderate closet and said the best way to fix the problem is to "raise taxes on the rich".

188 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:20am

re: #162 Leonidas Hoplite

No, I live in NY but vacation in the North Shore (Rockport/Gloucester) every summer. Good Harbor Beach is awesome.

i hope you can afford it this year.....

189 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:33am

re: #177 midwestgak

Here's some comfort/

Now, the Obama White House will appoint a new internal "stimulus czar" to the Obama White House, to oversee the Obama White House. All is well. All is well. Keep repeating: All is well.

Bill Clinton is wondering why he didn't think of that.

190 Russkilitlover  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:35am

re: #88 Leonidas Hoplite

I love the North Shore


Of course, you mean Maui, right?

191 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:36am

re: #178 Peacekeeper

We had Reaganomics, when will that start calling it Oconomics

Loconomics, maybe.
Obustonomics?

192 phoenixgirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:37am

re: #80 phoenixgirl

thank you president obama oprah/

193 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:48am

re: #180 Ben Hur

When do they start blaming the Joos?

/Was supposed to be at the bottom

When you have to use a wheelbarrow for the marks dollars it takes to buy a loaf of bread.

I am guessing by May.

194 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:53am
195 gonecamping  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:57am

re: #74 loppyd
What the teleprompter should have read...

They just played a clip of Obama saying we he will cut multiply the deficit he inherited by half a factor of 4 by 2012.

Really? The day Barry took office the deficit was at least $800 BILLION less than what it is now.

Such a liar.

196 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:07am

re: #186 mep481@gmail.com

they already have. check it out.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Saw that. That's Europe, so it's no surprise.

I meant the Obamacons.

197 Benthoven  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:15am

Slightly OT - LIZARDS IN LAS VEGAS ALERT - Help reverse our "contribution" to this mess - DUMP HARRY REID RALLY

Re: Dump Harry Rally Wednesday
Some people left our Thursday meeting early so they did not get all the information on the rally against Harry Reid.
Where: 333 S. Las Vegas Blvd (In front of Federal Bld)
When: Wednesday, Feb. 25th (This Wed.)
Time: Start 5:30-6:00 pm. (Getting there early might be smart because of parking)
End : 7pm
Bring: A sign and some water
Signs: "Dump Harry"; Harry, Sendrickson earchlight needs you; Send Harry Back to Searchlight, etc.
Look forward to seeing everyone there.

198 SixDegrees  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:21am

It isn't so much the spending plan. It's the seeming utter lack of any real plan that has the markets spooked. The Administration has showcased an apparently endless stream of imbeciles who have no idea how the money will be spent, why spending money in some ways rather than others might help the economy, and who are generally clueless about the causes of the current predicament as well as about any possible solutions to it.

Uncertainty and incompetence are what is driving the markets lower.

The Chief's jet-setting campaign appearances around the country aren't helping, either. The time for platitudes uttered to high school audiences is long past over. It's time for specifics, and specifics - along with any sort of understanding - seem to be sorely lacking.

Worse: the general public has now had time to ponder the rushed-through spending package, and they don't like what they're seeing. So add a great big dollop of consumer pessimism on top of everything else, ensuring that people are going to clutch onto their 17 dollar a week "stimulus" rather than spend it, and you've got the beginnings of a long, dark hunker.

199 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:26am

Is Harpo Productions (Oprah's company) publicly traded? I have a feeling it's going to ride out the economic catastrophe quite well.

200 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:29am

re: #193 OldLineTexan

When you have to use a wheelbarrow for the marks dollars it takes to buy a loaf of bread.

I am guessing by May.

...let's hope it never gets there.

201 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:35am

re: #173 subsailor68

So do I. First, your point about the Chinese wanting free enterprise to work is a good one. Second, Putin warned Obama that socialism doesn't work.

How messed up are things when the Chinese and the Russians are trying to tell us something about the system that built this great country?


The world depends on the US economy to be robust and healthy. Funny thing about that. If anyone says the US isn't the greatest country, all they have to do is just relive the last 2+ years, since the dems took control of congress.

202 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:39am

re: #137 Golem Akbar

As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.

They wont though. Socialism has been obviously failing all around the world for decades but they still push for it. They want it... BAD and they don't care how many jobs are lost, fortunes are pissed away, or lives are ruined in the process. The average idiot on the street thinks the purpose of government is to "solve problems" so they don't mind it. And the obvious.... Democrats, lefties, socialists do not understand economics, PERIOD. They don't "get it." If they did, they wouldn't be socialists in the first place.

203 Raven1  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:41am

re: #138 loppyd

You must be near Plum Island. I love that place. Maybe I shouldn't say that, Cadillac Deval will increase the admission fee!

204 rumcrook  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:41am

the market is going down becuase it is made up of people who regardless of thier personal politics actually make the market. meaning they value the market and if they determine as a hive that its not worth it to own the market at these prices, it will continue to fall untill more market makers beleive it is a bargain again than not.

no amount of slick sweet talk from the zero will change that.

the market has decided obama is the socialist scammer that he hid from view during the election and it wont stop dropping until it has reached a market value that accounts for the lack of leadership he displays and the negative forces and effects of the socialistic, fascistic crap he has foisted on the country.

then it will be worth buying into but only for the long haul which could be 10-20 years to repair the damage.

of course the damage may never be repaired, groups like the aclu and acorn may have thier hooks to deeply inbeded to right the ship. not to mention unforseen forces yet to come down the pike from outside our nation. the market doesnt like to see displays of absolute weakness trotted out as a "strength" it knows thats a recipe for disaster.

and it knows the cloths the king is wearing.

205 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:47am

re: #154 IslandLibertarian

That's awesome bruddah Libertarian. Need some signs made up with that showing Obama with bloody fangs.

(not seriously, just satirizing crazy photos from Zombietime)

206 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:00am

re: #175 phoenixgirl

that should be a shirt

and a sticker, and a billboard, and......

207 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:02am

re: #120 Nevergiveup

That's how I feel. And pass that bottle please.

You'll need more than one

Let me know if you want a glass.

208 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:05am

re: #185 Wendya

I received the same response and sent a blistering letter back in response to that.

I will when I calm down....I'm gonna have a stroke if this market doesn't flatten out soon

209 Ulpianus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:10am

When you consume two trillion dollars of what would have otherwise been private capital, the market is sure to be harmed.

I would caution, however, against a doom and gloom mentality. We are not fallen and we can make some gain by actively advocating for right principles. Also, as Charles has done here, we must not only advocate right principles, but oppose those who pretend to them, being actually their greatest enemy, the religious enthusiasts and white supremacists.

210 mep481@gmail.com  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:16am

re: #180 Ben Hur

When do they start blaming the Joos?

/Was supposed to be at the bottom

We are always being blamed for everything...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

211 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:17am

re: #158 albusteve

I wrote Tom Udall here in NM imploring him to vote against the spending bill...I just got a reply outling all the pork for our state...he said the feds are not spending the money, WE ARE! and I should be happy....fucking moron

That's akin to John Kerry and John Edwards traveling by train and there was a college town who waited 8 hours. Some as long as 3 days to see them come by. They drove right on by.

When asked how they felt, "We waited all this time to see them and to hear them..."

Then when J.K. and J.E. were asked about it, "Though they didn't hear us...that's ok, we heard them!" Pretending to do a G.W. bullhorn moment...

212 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:19am

re: #117 scottishbuzzsaw

Same here.

Hiya {scotti]!
Its the same on this side of the Big Pond - and I'm just glad that I still have a roof over my head, enought to eat and to feed Madame Dog, and no debts.
Savings, stocks and shares - ah well ... can't do nothing about them except hang in there.

213 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:42am

re: #177 midwestgak

Here's some comfort/

Now, the Obama White House will appoint a new internal "stimulus czar" to the Obama White House, to oversee the Obama White House. All is well. All is well. Keep repeating: All is in the well.

FTFY!

214 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:45am

re: #137 Golem Akbar

As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.

Clinton was shanghaied into doing so by Newt and a newly minted Republican majority that had yet to learn they could spend like drunken sailors. O has a kindred Socialist spirit in Pelosi and Reid.

215 calvin coolidge  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:47am

Barack has announced that Joe Biden will be in charge of overseeing the stimulus package. Putting Biden in charge would be like putting Travis the chimpanzee in charge of the party guests at your home.

216 So?  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:54am

This song is dedicated to Barack Hussein Obama.

WARNING: Adult content 18+

217 JohnAdams  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:05am

re: #182 calcajun

I'd suggest your local firearm stores (unless you're in NYC) for consignment/used sales.

Thanks. I'm told you can swap out the barrel for various uses?

218 mep481@gmail.com  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:24am

re: #196 Ben Hur

Saw that. That's Europe, so it's no surprise.

I meant the Obamacons.

Europe is more into Obama than us Americans

219 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:27am
220 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:32am

re: #213 redc1c4

FTFY!

One, how many czars of _____ do you frikken need?
And two, what does FTFY mean?

221 Wilderstad  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:35am

Who is this moron Obama, and why is he in charge? /s

222 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:47am

Of course this is all because bank executives make more money than you.

(I've realized The One's politics is not being for something, but against something.)

223 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:57am

re: #203 Raven1

You must be near Plum Island. I love that place. Maybe I shouldn't say that, Cadillac Deval will increase the admission fee!

My office is about 2 miles from PI.

I hate to tell you this, but there isn't a lot of PI left to love....

Report: Erosion Could Claim 26 Plum Island Homes

224 Mr. Sandman  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:24am

People always try to find ways to interpret "market" drops for whatever political purpose they invent. But I've seen market volatility for no good reason at all many times over the past few months. And now, fundamentally, the reason of the drop is more fallout from the initial crashes, and more likely than the "market" reacting negatively to the stimulus is something else that has happened over the last week or so-- a growing convergence of economists saying that a temporary nationalization of some of the mega-banks will be necessary (even though the Obama administration is suggesting they don't want to do this, the banks are realizing more and more that it will happen at some point). So this drop is most likely an artifact of shareholders at the larger banks, realizing that they would be wiped out in a temporary nationalization, therefore panicking and bailing out. But this all highlights that a temporary nationalization, for toxic clean-up purposes, will be good once it is done--indeed, it really is the only hope of surviving this crisis.

225 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:29am

re: #153 OldLineTexan

Let's leave frozen fish on a stick out of this!

Let's fish dance--"WHAP"

226 simonml  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:32am

re: #198 SixDegrees

IMO the best Stimulus plan would have been to suspend withholding Social Security Tax from everyone's paycheck for 8-12 weeks or longer. Its a good chunk of change.

227 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:33am

re: #207 midwestgak

I think most everybody will be swigging from the bottle before 2012 is over.

/Not me, but most everybody.

228 Raven1  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:33am

re: #197 Benthoven

I'll be there in spirit. Good luck!

229 mep481@gmail.com  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:47am

re: #221 Wilderstad

Who is this moron Obama, and why is he in charge? /s

Because he's soooo pretty

230 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:48am

re: #137 Golem Akbar

As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.

Obama recognizes only one Epiphany - it's 12 days after his birth.

231 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:57am

re: #186 mep481@gmail.com

re: #210 mep481@gmail.com

I've gotta go get the papers, get the papers.

232 realwest  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:05am

re: #112 davinvalkri
Well you can certainly bet that Obama is gonna blame Bush for this.
But sometimes facts get in the way of the Obama's message: The Community Reinvestment Act, as revised by Clinton and The Dems, punished banks for not making mortgage loans to people with no credit history or a bad credit history. Thus was created the SubPrime Mortgage.
Wall Street Investment "Banks" like Lehman, Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch saw an opportunity - buy Billions of dollars worth of these SubPrime Mortages, put them in a pool and then issue bonds at low rates because those bonds were "securitized" by those pools of mortgages. Then Fannie and Freddie got into the act with reducing "normal" requirements for down payments and a lot of folks were buying houses with 100% financing - no equity in the home that they purchased at all.
Then, either because of the buyer's greed (I HAVE to have a 3,000 sq ft. house and I HAVE to have granite countertops and I HAVE to have all stainless steel appliances) or Seller's greed (I want to make every penny I can off this house when I sell it) and the mortgage brokers and the realestate brokers actually helping people to buy and finance houses when those brokers KNEW that the buyers' wouldn't be able to afford the mortgage, real estate taxes, utilities FOOD and all, without MAJOR changes in their lifestyles and now WE'RE stuck paying off their mortgages as well as our own.
If Republicans can EVER get their message out over the MSM cover that Obama has, folks will realize what's happened here.
And then Buyer's (or Voters) Remorse will set in.

233 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:12am

re: #182 calcajun

I'd suggest your local firearm stores (unless you're in NYC) for consignment/used sales.

and if you happen to be in NYC, there is a guy on Fulton st. that will take food stamps/

234 mikeymom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:18am

re: #171 NYCHardhat

another good bumper sticker!

235 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:29am

re: #231 Ben Hur

re: #210 mep481@gmail.com

I've gotta go get the papers, get the papers.

I'm stirring it!

236 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:32am

re: #202 ArchangelMichael

They wont though. Socialism has been obviously failing all around the world for decades but they still push for it. They want it... BAD and they don't care how many jobs are lost, fortunes are pissed away, or lives are ruined in the process. The average idiot on the street thinks the purpose of government is to "solve problems" so they don't mind it. And the obvious.... Democrats, lefties, socialists do not understand economics, PERIOD. They don't "get it." If they did, they wouldn't be socialists in the first place.


Which means the Republicans need to stage a counter-movement that will attract the disaffected (growing in numbers) of the Americans. I like Mitt Romney as the leader, but there are others..and are non-creationist, too. Gingrich did the job under Clinton, remember?

237 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:35am

re: #220 davinvalkri

One, how many czars of _____ do you frikken need?
And two, what does FTFY mean?

I dunno, but it just bothers me that in our country, anyone would be named "czar" of anything. It just seems so inappropriate.

238 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:37am

re: #223 loppyd

My office is about 2 miles from PI.

I hate to tell you this, but there isn't a lot of PI left to love....

Report: Erosion Could Claim 26 Plum Island Homes

Do they have a view, Clareace?

239 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:39am

re: #158 albusteve

I wrote Tom Udall here in NM imploring him to vote against the spending bill...I just got a reply outling all the pork for our state...he said the feds are not spending the money, WE ARE! and I should be happy....fucking moron

I got my reply today too. He did not read what we wrote, did he?

240 Sheepdogess  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:41am

Check this out...

Why Rahm Emanuel Doesn't Pay Property Taxes

[Link: www.sodahead.com...]

241 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:49am

re: #184 Ward Cleaver

"I'd like a seat in the non-beheading section, please."

All Canuckistanians should ride the bus with large "gifts for grandma".

Things your Canadian granny needs:
* Hickory axe handle
* A new tire iron, extra long
* A complete set of Ginsu knives
* Ninja throwing stars
* 50 feet of stout rope

242 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:56am
243 simonml  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:57am

re: #208 albusteve

I will when I calm down....I'm gonna have a stroke if this market doesn't flatten out soon

Careful what you wish for. It very well could flat line altogether...

244 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:58am

re: #217 JohnAdams

Thanks. I'm told you can swap out the barrel for various uses?

You can also do that with most shotguns, including Mossberg.

245 realwest  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:59am

Well y'all I gotta go eat lunch and do more chores. I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

246 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:02am

re: #212 yma o hyd

Hiya {scotti]!
Its the same on this side of the Big Pond - and I'm just glad that I still have a roof over my head, enought to eat and to feed Madame Dog, and no debts.
Savings, stocks and shares - ah well ... can't do nothing about them except hang in there.

Hiya, {yma}! Agreed. Please give Madame a scritch from me...

247 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:11am

re: #115 subsailor68

You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)

I don't see any reason why it can't be irrational to the downside in the same manner it was irrational to the upside. Meaning, as much as I don't want to say it, that it could go down to 5,000, or lower, depending on what the government does (and so far all things point badly). After the 1929 crash the Dow continued lower until it was 90% below its peak 3 years later.

248 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:16am

re: #238 Ben Hur

Do they have a view, Clareace?

Yes, Miiggs.

249 mep481@gmail.com  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:20am

re: #231 Ben Hur

re: #210 mep481@gmail.com

I've gotta go get the papers, get the papers.

i'm sorry. i didnt see it when it posted. i thought i forgot to push the post button. it's happened to me before...

250 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:29am

re: #218 mep481@gmail.com

Europe is more into Obama than us Americans

That's for sure.

With all their minority members of parliment, and all.

251 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:30am

re: #245 realwest

Well y'all I gotta go eat lunch and do more chores. I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

{real}

252 baldeagle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:49am

This is a bloodless[so far]revolution! These people have been planning this for years,,,,,,the O is not going to have any 'epiphany' . We are watching history being made right now,,,,and the only who is addressing it is Santelli .

253 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:50am

re: #227 joncelli

I think most everybody will be swigging from the bottle before 2012 is over.

/Not me, but most everybody.

Hell, I'll be swigging by dark today.

254 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:54am

re: #232 realwest

Well you can certainly bet that Obama is gonna blame Bush for this.
But sometimes facts get in the way of the Obama's message: The Community Reinvestment Act, as revised by Clinton and The Dems, punished banks for not making mortgage loans to people with no credit history or a bad credit history. Thus was created the SubPrime Mortgage.

Well yeah, I know that, you know that, everyone here and their grandma knows that! Too bad apparently nobody in power does!

255 Raven1  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:21am

President Obama, the people are starving! Obama: Let them send me their bread.

256 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:31am

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

Looks like a lot of the stock-owning yuppies who thought Our Messiah-King was better than McCain in being able to fix the economy are less charitable now that O has come out of the moderate closet and said the best way to fix the problem is to "raise taxes on the rich".

Heh.
They don't understand that they're asking PB0 to tax them, because they are 'the rich'!

257 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:33am

re: #235 loppyd

I'm stirring it!

Are you married yet, or can I still talk to you?

258 bolivar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:34am

re: #138 loppyd

You feel like that because YOU ARE!

Luckily, I work 5 miles to the NH border and plan to do weekly fill ups. I'll stock up on Twizzlers if Deval gets his candy tax.

Loppy, we live in Rhode Island and we have 7% sales and 8% restaurant taxes so your 5% is welcome. We spend our money in Mass. and save 2% on major purchases. We save any way we can.

259 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:37am

re: #135 Killgore Trout

What did I miss - in five sentences or less?

260 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:38am

Is anyone else listening to Rush? Barry has the governors broken up into work groups like a bunch of 5th graders.

261 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:02am

re: #257 Ben Hur

Are you married yet, or can I still talk to you?

not yet!

262 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:04am

re: #237 MrSilverDragon

I dunno, but it just bothers me that in our country, anyone would be named "czar" of anything. It just seems so inappropriate.

Welcome to the brave new world, comrade.
Did you buy your little blue book of Obama quotations yet?
Community organizers will be checking up on you soon.
/

263 mep481@gmail.com  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:07am

re: #250 Ben Hur

That's for sure.

With all their minority members of parliment, and all.

they don't actually want a minority member in their government.
they just want to look like they care about having minority groups in government

264 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:12am

re: #249 mep481@gmail.com

i'm sorry. i didnt see it when it posted. i thought i forgot to push the post button. it's happened to me before...

Multiple posts can be a good thing.

265 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:13am
266 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:20am

Slightly OT, Chicks becomes Dicks. I know it's sporting goods, but I like Chicks, not necessarily Dicks. (///)

267 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:21am

re: #217 JohnAdams

Thanks. I'm told you can swap out the barrel for various uses?

a Remington 870? yes. keep an eye out on the receivers though: older models can only chamber 2.75" shells, newer models take those and 3" both.

not sure about the even newer models.

268 Scion9  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:21am

re: #252 baldeagle

It was a bloodless coup! All smotherings.
-The Simpsons

269 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:44am

re: #258 bolivar

Loppy, we live in Rhode Island and we have 7% sales and 8% restaurant taxes so your 5% is welcome. We spend our money in Mass. and save 2% on major purchases. We save any way we can.

How sad is that when you think about it?

270 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:52am

Just so we remember. When Obama speaks of inheriting this mess and blames GWB.

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: September 30, 1999

In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.

The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

271 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:54am
272 Wilderstad  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:04am

re: #175 phoenixgirl

that should be a shirt

Cafe Press.

273 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:12am

re: #239 wrenchwench

I got my reply today too. He did not read what we wrote, did he?

he did not...he "looks forward to working with state and local officials" to spend the money...job security

274 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:24am

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

I hope they have safety scissors.

Will they be putting glitter on the Stimulus Bill with library paste?

Mmmmmm... library paste...

275 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:25am

re: #247 Leonidas Hoplite

I don't see any reason why it can't be irrational to the downside in the same manner it was irrational to the upside. Meaning, as much as I don't want to say it, that it could go down to 5,000, or lower, depending on what the government does (and so far all things point badly). After the 1929 crash the Dow continued lower until it was 90% below its peak 3 years later.

Hmm...hadn't thought of the irrational on the upside, irrational on the downside aspect of it. Good point! And the irrationality resulting from government making bad decisions makes sense...although for the most part, when I worry about bad government decisions, I feel pretty rational recently.

;-)

276 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:34am

re: #233 brookly red

and if you happen to be in NYC, there is a guy on Fulton st. that will take food stamps/

Is he the guy who sells the Kahr K9 to Jodie Foster in The Brave One?

(Gotta love Hollywood; her character has never handled a gun before, but after posing with the gun a couple of times and practicing pulling the slide release, she becomes an instant CQB expert)

277 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:45am

The solution is to pump federal money into failed banks so that they buy up the banks that haven't failed yet. Then Democrat hacks can get cushy appointments to bank boards owned by Obama.

278 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:50am

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

I hope they have safety scissors.

Will they be putting glitter on the Stimulus Bill with library paste?

yes, but not until after nap time.

279 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:52am

re: #220 davinvalkri

One, how many czars of _____ do you frikken need?
And two, what does FTFY mean?

fixed that for ya!

280 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:52am

re: #259 Dianna

Some obscure blog removed Robert Spencer from its blogroll for his ties to extremist groups. Robert sent an email threatening to sick his lawyer on them.

281 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:53am

re: #236 Golem Akbar

If Romney is in reality the "fiscal conservative" he was made out to be (and I have my suspicion that he really wasn't), he might be the best best in 2012.

282 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:56am

re: #260 loppyd

Is anyone else listening to Rush? Barry has the governors broken up into work groups like a bunch of 5th graders.

Bastards.

283 mep481@gmail.com  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:05am

re: #264 Ben Hur

Multiple posts can be a good thing.

maybe if we can get enough people we can protest against Europe

284 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:16am

re: #242 Kenneth

The Next One Hundred Years

Good stuff, I put it in Book Links a couple of weeks ago.

285 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:26am

re: #261 loppyd

not yet!

Sweeeeeet.

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:31am

re: #282 Wendya

Bastards.

Huh?

287 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:31am

re: #178 Peacekeeper

We had Reaganomics, when will that start calling it Oconomics

I was thinking of "0bamanomics".

I've also started to use the word "0bamic" to describe anything huge and devastating. Example: "The economic crisis is reaching 0bamic proportions!"

288 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:34am

re: #260 loppyd

Is anyone else listening to Rush? Barry has the governors broken up into work groups like a bunch of 5th graders.

that is what community organizers do... let us hope that some of them resent being treated like chumps.

289 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:36am

re: #190 Russkilitlover

Of course, you mean Maui, right?

That's nice too but a bit far away for a yearly excursion! At least for me.

290 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:53am

re: #277 Peacekeeper

Timmy, is that you?

291 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:58am

re: #267 redc1c4

a Remington 870? yes. keep an eye out on the receivers though: older models can only chamber 2.75" shells, newer models take those and 3" both.

Of course, both is better, but no huge deal if a shotgun won't take magnum shells. They're not really recommended for self defense, anyway.

292 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:06am

re: #175 phoenixgirl

that should be a shirt

As much as I would love to be original. I'm not.

293 JohnAdams  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:07am

re: #232 realwest

Well you can certainly bet that Obama is gonna blame Bush for this.
But sometimes facts get in the way of the Obama's message: The Community Reinvestment Act, as revised by Clinton and The Dems, punished banks for not making mortgage loans to people with no credit history or a bad credit history. Thus was created the SubPrime Mortgage.
Wall Street Investment "Banks" like Lehman, Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch saw an opportunity - buy Billions of dollars worth of these SubPrime Mortages, put them in a pool and then issue bonds at low rates because those bonds were "securitized" by those pools of mortgages. Then Fannie and Freddie got into the act with reducing "normal" requirements for down payments and a lot of folks were buying houses with 100% financing - no equity in the home that they purchased at all.
Then, either because of the buyer's greed (I HAVE to have a 3,000 sq ft. house and I HAVE to have granite countertops and I HAVE to have all stainless steel appliances) or Seller's greed (I want to make every penny I can off this house when I sell it) and the mortgage brokers and the realestate brokers actually helping people to buy and finance houses when those brokers KNEW that the buyers' wouldn't be able to afford the mortgage, real estate taxes, utilities FOOD and all, without MAJOR changes in their lifestyles and now WE'RE stuck paying off their mortgages as well as our own.
If Republicans can EVER get their message out over the MSM cover that Obama has, folks will realize what's happened here.
And then Buyer's (or Voters) Remorse will set in.

Well said by the crafty veteran.

294 mep481@gmail.com  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:22am

re: #287 gmsc

I've also started to use the word "0bamic" to describe anything huge and devastating. Example: "The economic crisis is reaching 0bamic proportions!"

That's a great idea. Hopefully it'll catch on.

295 SixDegrees  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:36am

re: #193 OldLineTexan

When you have to use a wheelbarrow for the marks dollars it takes to buy a loaf of bread.

I am guessing by May.

Pretty unlikely, actually. The economy has enormous deflationary pressures shoving it at the moment, and these aren't likely to abate. Home prices have not only plummeted - they've over-plummeted, and it will take a good long time for them to recover. On top of that you've got continuing unemployment increases, along with flat or dropping pay, along with gutted retirement accounts; there's no spending to drive prices higher.

Increases in commodities - like oil - are the only danger, but even these are being moderated by slack demand.

I agree that sooner or later we're going to have to pay the piper for all the money Congress has been busily printing. But I don't see inflation becoming an issue anytime soon.

For what it's worth, the Fed is in the perfect position to combat inflation in the event I'm wrong. All they have is upside to move interest rates into.

296 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:37am

re: #252 baldeagle

This is a bloodless[so far]revolution! These people have been planning this for years,,,,,,the O is not going to have any 'epiphany' . We are watching history being made right now,,,,and the only who is addressing it is Santelli .

Sun Tzu:

"To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."

297 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:39am

re: #246 scottishbuzzsaw

Hiya, {yma}! Agreed. Please give Madame a scritch from me...

Will do!

:-)

298 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:45am

I don't think Obama and his guys really care if the market tanks. It almost seems they'd prefer it. What better way to wage a war on Wall Street than to send muted mixed messages and confusing, irresponsible spending proposals? It'd be better if they did nothing and stayed mum on the whole thing. Instead they do just enough to continue contributing to the markets decline. They want this to happen.

299 snowcrash  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:47am

NYC REDNECK are you lurking?

300 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:50am

re: #224 Mr. Sandman

The markets are nothing but a herd of people buying and selling. And as with any herd mentality when one steer gets "spooked" the rest follow and trample everything in the path.

301 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:03am

re: #260 loppyd

Is anyone else listening to Rush? Barry has the governors broken up into work groups like a bunch of 5th graders.

Divide et impera?

302 gonecamping  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:06am

Just heard it, and he has them in 'break out, or break wind" sessions to come with with the ideas he is unable to think of.

re: #260 loppyd

Is anyone else listening to Rush? Barry has the governors broken up into work groups like a bunch of 5th graders.

303 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:19am

re: #261 loppyd

not yet!

So 'yer tellin' me there's a chance....

/////Dumb and Dumber

304 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:20am

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

Looks like a lot of the stock-owning yuppies who thought Our Messiah-King was better than McCain in being able to fix the economy are less charitable now that O has come out of the moderate closet and said the best way to fix the problem is to "raise taxes on the rich".

Oh, but it would have been far, far worse under McCain, because McCain was planning to simultaneously declare war on a hundred different countries as soon as he was inaugurated, thereby bankrupting the country instantly. He was even going to make Arkansas declare war on Oregon. Crazy stuff like that. The man just loves war. I have no idea why, it's just weird. Thank goodness we avoided that. Times are tough, but at least we have Hope!

We are the change that we have been waiting for! Today is the tomorrow of all our yesterdays! We must dare to dream, so that we can dream to dare!

/stock-owning Messiah-King-voting yuppie

305 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:26am

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Some obscure blog removed Robert Spencer from its blogroll for his ties to extremist groups. Robert sent an email threatening to sick his lawyer on them.

I removed the Robert Spencer's book from my bookshelf, because of his ties to extremist groups & it was a crappy book anyway. So sue me.

306 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:29am

re: #276 Occasional Reader

Is he the guy who sells the Kahr K9 to Jodie Foster in The Brave One?

(Gotta love Hollywood; her character has never handled a gun before, but after posing with the gun a couple of times and practicing pulling the slide release, she becomes an instant CQB expert)

uhhhh, no. this is for real.

307 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:36am

it's a rally! the Dow is only down 120 right now.........

WOOT!

308 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:58am

re: #302 gonecamping

Just heard it, and he has them in 'break out, or break wind" sessions to come with with the ideas he is unable to think of.

He'll say he's being bipartisan by taking the ideas of Ahnuld....

309 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:04am

re: #281 ArchangelMichael

If Romney is in reality the "fiscal conservative" he was made out to be (and I have my suspicion that he really wasn't), he might be the best best in 2012.


I'll with hold judgement on Romney. I like him, but he or someone else needs to step up and declare a rational and patriotic loyal opposition, offering free-enterprise as the solution. Republkicans need to offer a positive program, not one that is just critical. Best-case scenario: free enterprise policy gets co-opted by the democrats.

310 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:16am

re: #306 brookly red

uhhhh, no. this is for real.

I won't ask how you know this!

311 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:16am

re: #215 calvin coolidge

Barack has announced that Joe Biden will be in charge of overseeing the stimulus package. Putting Biden in charge would be like putting Travis the chimpanzee in charge of the party guests at your home.

You clever monkey. Joe is pasty-complected, so it can't be racist. Updings are in order, IMO.

312 SixDegrees  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:34am

re: #226 simonml

IMO the best Stimulus plan would have been to suspend withholding Social Security Tax from everyone's paycheck for 8-12 weeks or longer. Its a good chunk of change.

That, or just run the government off the huge chunk of borrowed cash and eliminate Federal withholdings altogether for a quarter or two.

Ya wanna stimulate the economy? That would do it. A helluva a lot faster than the $17 a week I'll be getting as my cut of the trillion dollar "stimulus," which I'm just not finding very stimulating.

313 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:47am

re: #270 jcm

Just so we remember. When Obama speaks of inheriting this mess and blames GWB.

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: September 30, 1999

It's worse than you think:

Fannie Mae to Loosen Rules for Home-Loan Refinancing
Published: February 5, 2009

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

314 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:49am

re: #288 brookly red

that is what community organizers do... let us hope that some of them resent being treated like chumps.

most of them *are* chumps..... the idiot from Austria California, for one.

315 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #4 Raven1

Obama has a plan. To destroy capitalism.

Soros has that same plan. Coincidence?

316 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #290 Kenneth

Timmy, is that you?

We can raise income taxes to 90%. Its not like Democrats will have to pay them anyway.

317 Dragonwolf  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:07am

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

I'm not an expert, I can only pass on what I was told. Precious metals tend to negatively mirror the market. So I would say Gold.

318 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:20am

If you are a member of the 40% that do not pay taxes and/ or get some form of Public Assistance, chances are you will vote Democrat.
Obama is going to increase those numbers & that will really narrow the margin for error to elect a Republican President.
Everyone who has passed on the Kool Aid will need to get out & vote in 2012.

319 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:31am

Where the hell IS Romney?

320 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:33am

The bright spot: my company is bucking the trend and our stock is going up. No, not going to name them.

321 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:33am

re: #307 redc1c4

it's a rally! the Dow is only down 120 right now.........

WOOT!

New journalism rule: all increases in the stock market are to be labeled as "rallies" and to be attributed to The 0ne and his economic policies, especially the stimulus.
/really?

322 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:33am

Bambi is holding his "Financial Responsibility Summit" this very moment. It's something like holding a chastity summit at a brothel, only more ironic.

323 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:47am

re: #225 calcajun

Let's fish dance--"WHAP"

It's a hell of a lot more fun with sea kittens...:)

/S

324 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:49am

re: #310 Occasional Reader

I won't ask how you know this!

and I won't ask how you don't...

325 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:05am
326 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:05am

re: #150 Nevergiveup

There was the "New Deal" and the "Great Society". What is this boondoggle gonna be called?

The "Great Fuck Up".
/Sorry, had to.

327 gonecamping  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:07am

Not only is Obama and his minions waging war on the street, they are waging war on the middle class who has been investing in the market. Nothing like destroying 'our' investments to try and enslave us with their socialism.


re: #298 Eric Cartman's Conscience

I don't think Obama and his guys really care if the market tanks. It almost seems they'd prefer it. What better way to wage a war on Wall Street than to send muted mixed messages and confusing, irresponsible spending proposals? It'd be better if they did nothing and stayed mum on the whole thing. Instead they do just enough to continue contributing to the markets decline. They want this to happen.

328 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:09am

re: #238 Ben Hur

Do they have a view, Clareace?

/chills

When did you start sounding like Hannibal Lecter?

/

329 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:16am

re: #314 redc1c4

most of them *are* chumps..... the idiot from Austria California, for one.

Don't blame me! I wanted McClintock!

330 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:18am

re: #311 OldLineTexan

You clever monkey. Joe is pasty-complected, so it can't be racist. Updings are in order, IMO.

Nope, sorry, still racist. It criticizes Obama.

331 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:28am

The Dem's theme song.

Money, its a crime.
Share it fairly but dont take a slice of my pie.
Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today.
But if you ask for a raise its no surprise that theyre
Giving none away.
-Pink Floyd

332 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:34am

re: #320 Thanos

The bright spot: my company is bucking the trend and our stock is going up. No, not going to name them.

So, what's it like to work for Smith & Wesson?

333 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:36am

re: #291 Occasional Reader

Of course, both is better, but no huge deal if a shotgun won't take magnum shells. They're not really recommended for self defense, anyway.

yeah, but from the POV that it's better to be able to use whatever ammo you can get, versus not having any, i'd go with the have and not need philosophy.

334 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:41am

re: #303 Bloodnok

So 'yer tellin' me there's a chance....

/////Dumb and Dumber

I can't relate when people tell me that movie wasn't funny!

335 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:03am

re: #181 loppyd

Big waves at Good Harbor - and warm water.

I'm a Crane Beach girl....but we tend to be on the boat and just end up where we end up.

So I guess you've eaten at the Lobster Pool?

I've eaten at the Lobster Pool more times than I can count. I gorge on the clam plate for a week to get my fix.

336 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:05am

re: #273 albusteve

he did not...he "looks forward to working with state and local officials" to spend the money...job security

Bingaman wasn't any better.

Since he's claiming he's going to create or save 22,000 NM jobs, I asked him specifically how he is going to ensure than my business does not fail over the next year.

I loved the part about "repairing some of New Mexico's roads. How about paving some of our roads?

337 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:05am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I don't work for a gun company.

338 Caboose  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:11am

Is it too early to state

Worst. President. Ever.

?

339 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:13am

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

I hope they have safety scissors.

Will they be putting glitter on the Stimulus Bill with library paste?

No, they'll be using glitter glue. Trust me, it's even worse.

/i hate glitter glue

340 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:14am
341 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:29am

re: #238 Ben Hur

Do they have a view, Clareace?

I knew I recognized "Plum Island" from somewhere.

342 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:34am

re: #313 gmsc

It's worse than you think:

Fannie Mae to Loosen Rules for Home-Loan Refinancing
Published: February 5, 2009

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Hey, we didn't have the The One to make sure it was done right last time!
////////////

343 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:39am

re: #313 gmsc

It's worse than you think:

Fannie Mae to Loosen Rules for Home-Loan Refinancing
Published: February 5, 2009

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Can you say, "vicious cycle"?

344 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:39am

re: #307 redc1c4

it's a rally! the Dow is only down 120 right now.........

WOOT!

Obama style of economics, less contraction is good.

345 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:40am

re: #301 subsailor68

Divide et impera?

Vini, vidi, Whack-off.

346 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:44am

re: #338 Caboose

Is it too early to state

Worst. President. Ever.

?

Nope, not at all.

347 bolivar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:45am

re: #269 loppyd

How sad is that when you think about it?

Pathetic I know but, given that democrats have killed this state we have to reach out at any life preserver we can. I am going to be out of work in 2 weeks and my wife's employment is not secure so our lots in Florida are looking more and more tempting all the time.

348 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:56am

re: #286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Huh?

The governors for acting like a bunch of welfare recipients.

349 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:56am

re: #334 loppyd

I can't relate when people tell me that movie wasn't funny!

What could be funnier than drinking pee from a beer bottle?

350 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:00am

re: #338 Caboose

Is it too early to state

Worst. President. Ever.

?

I believed that on 11/20/08.

351 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:02am

re: #314 redc1c4

most of them *are* chumps..... the idiot from Austria California, for one.

yeah, that one make me feel good about living in NYC...

352 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:03am

re: #338 Caboose

Is it too early to state

Worst. President. Ever.

?

Let's wait until he's out of office before we compare him to Harding.

353 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:05am

re: #338 Caboose

Is it too early to state

Worst. President. Ever.

?

If you're jumping the gun, it isn't by much.

354 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:12am

re: #341 Occasional Reader

I knew I recognized "Plum Island" from somewhere.

Good striper fishing off Plum Island. I miss it.

355 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:13am

What if we all pitched in some money to send Thomas Sowell to the White House to explain economics to Obama?

356 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:15am

re: #188 redc1c4

i hope you can afford it this year.....

I'll pitch a tent in a campground if I have too...and I just might.

357 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:15am

re: #324 brookly red

and I won't ask how you don't...

I've just never traded food stamps for firearms, I guess.

358 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:20am

re: #337 Thanos

I don't work for a gun company.

I think OR was funnin' with ya. Pretty funny actually.

;-)

359 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:21am

My unicorn just died.

360 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:33am

re: #328 OldLineTexan

/chills

When did you start sounding like Hannibal Lecter?

/


Plum Island!

ALl I have on my office walls are my sketches.

361 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:35am

re: #348 Wendya

The governors for acting like a bunch of welfare recipients.

They are a bunch of welfare recipients. They will fare well, the rest of us are fucked.

362 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:45am

re: #337 Thanos

I don't work for a gun company.

I'm just funnin' ya.

363 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:45am

re: #338 Caboose

Is it too early to state

Worst. President. Ever.

?

He's giving Carter a run for his money, isn't he?

364 splat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:05am

I am shocked... shocked... the "No Pork Left Behind" bill didn't help ?

365 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:10am

re: #319 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Where the hell IS Romney?

He's selling his house in Utah.

Can't imagine he'd be doing that to spend more time here in MA.

366 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:18am

re: #358 subsailor68

I think OR was funnin' with ya. Pretty funny actually.

;-)

I know it :)

367 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:21am

re: #358 subsailor68

I think OR was funnin' with ya. Pretty funny actually.

;-)

I hadn't even read your post, and we both came up with "funnin' ya". Eerie, mon.

368 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:31am

re: #314 redc1c4

most of them *are* chumps..... the idiot from Austria California, for one.

There used to a be a push to see Ahnold elected POTUS. I wonder if people who wanted that are still willing to get it.

369 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:32am

re: #345 OldLineTexan

Vini, vidi, Whack-off.

LOL! Now that should be this administration's motto.

370 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:34am

re: #362 Occasional Reader

I'm just funnin' ya.

He was just funnin ya.

371 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:49am

re: #338 Caboose

Is it too early to state

Worst. President. Ever.

?

Maybe not, but it should be coming along any time now.

Wait....

Wait....

Wait for it....

Wait.....

Okay. NOW it's official. Worst ever.

372 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:51am

re: #363 Wendya

He's giving Carter a run for his money, isn't he?

He's giving Jimmuh a run for OUR money.

373 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:53am

The Great Messiahty.

374 cimom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:01am

I told my husband to invest in rifles and shotguns before the democrats make any new buying restrictions. Seriously, I want all my kids to have shotguns of their own when they're old enough to go hunting. Naturally this ought to make anti-gunners lose their minds (not that that is hard to do), but I think this is one of the better investments right now.

My family was totally enraptured about the stock market. I had an old 401k which was rolled over into stock funds. I moved part of it (unfortunately, not all) into bonds. I was afraid to tell my mother about it because she'd be mad that it wasn't a good investment. Now I'm afraid she'll be mad at me because anyways. (I'm in one of those families where parents like to assume their children never do anything right).

375 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:01am

re: #364 splat

I am shocked... shocked... the "No Pork Left Behind" bill didn't help ?

LOL!

376 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:04am

re: #342 jcm

Hey, we didn't have the The One to make sure it was done right last time!
////////////

So this time, we'll be screwed over properly?
;)

re: #343 Ward Cleaver

Can you say, "vicious cycle"?

Yes, I can!

377 Bombarafat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:10am

Sounds like a topic for certain Tom Petty song

378 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:10am

re: #348 Wendya

The governors for acting like a bunch of welfare recipients.

Our governor, Rick Perry, bitched about it at first, then decided to accept the dough. Perry's one of those that Obama has knocked for not being "with the program", so to speak.

379 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:11am

re: #370 Peacekeeper

He was just funnin ya.

Yes, he was funnin me .

380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:12am

My Unicorn had his kidney stolen.

381 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:18am

re: #146 NYCHardhat

Clinto had Gingrich. Obama has Pelosi. Nuff said.

That can be fixed in '10

382 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:35am

re: #367 Occasional Reader

I hadn't even read your post, and we both came up with "funnin' ya". Eerie, mon.

OMG! Are you my long lost sibling?

:-)

383 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:38am

Restored,and contrite, and vowing NEVER NEVER NEVER to get into any Creationism conversations EVERAGAIN.

Thank you again Charles.

384 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:43am

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Some obscure blog removed Robert Spencer from its blogroll for his ties to extremist groups. Robert sent an email threatening to sick his lawyer on them.

That is pathetic.

385 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:45am

re: #360 Ben Hur

ALl I have on my office walls are my sketches.

That one over there, that's the Duomo, seen from the Belvedere, isn't it?

386 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:01am

re: #371 Bloodnok

Maybe not, but it should be coming along any time now.

Wait....

Wait....

Wait for it....

Wait.....

Okay. NOW it's official. Worst ever.

If they can claim "best ever" and compare him to Lincoln and FDR BEFORE he even took office, well.......yes, you can!

387 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:09am

re: #357 Occasional Reader

I've just never traded food stamps for firearms, I guess.

I felt sorry for myself because I had no firearms. Then I met a man with no foodstamps.

/

388 JohnAdams  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:13am

re: #309 Golem Akbar

I'll with hold judgement on Romney. I like him, but he or someone else needs to step up and declare a rational and patriotic loyal opposition, offering free-enterprise as the solution. Republkicans need to offer a positive program, not one that is just critical. Best-case scenario: free enterprise policy gets co-opted by the democrats.

I think Newt Gingrich sees things quickly imploding toward his Churchill moment. He will be a factor.

389 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:23am

The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History

A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.

390 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:26am

re: #379 Thanos

He was just funnin ya.


Yes, he was funnin me .

All in good fun, ya?

391 notutopia  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:39am

re: #383 smokefire

: )

392 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:44am

re: #350 MandyManners

I believed that on 11/20/08.

11/04/08 for me...

/S

393 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:54am

re: #383 smokefire

Restored,and contrite, and vowing NEVER NEVER NEVER to get into any Creationism conversations EVERAGAIN.

Thank you again Charles.

WHY DO YOU HATE TRILOBITES?!?!

/

394 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:00am

re: #384 Dianna

That is pathetic.

And Obama-level self-importance. Scary.

395 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:15am

re: #363 Wendya

He's giving Carter a run for his money, isn't he?

He's outdistanced Carter within 20 days of being anointed and enthroned, making Jimmah VERY happy to have a rehabilitated Presidency.

396 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:16am

re: #383 smokefire

Welcome back.

397 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:18am

re: #383 smokefire

Glad to see ya back!

:-)

398 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:23am

re: #377 Bombarafat

Sounds like a topic for certain Tom Petty song

Or this one?

/r.e.m.

399 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:28am

re: #344 FurryOldGuyJeans

Obama style of economics, less contraction is good.

I think someone in the cabinet is a graduate from the Robert Mugabe School of Economics.

400 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:38am

re: #374 cimom

I told my husband to invest in rifles and shotguns before the democrats make any new buying restrictions.

I never thought of firearms as an investment but when I was online checking prices recently, I found that my firearms have done a hell of a lot better than my investments in the stock market.

401 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:46am

re: #359 twincitiesgirl

Don't tell that to any 11-year-old girls.

402 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:47am

re: #385 Occasional Reader

That one over there, that's the Duomo, seen from the Belvedere, isn't it?

It's my GUN!

403 Teacake!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:49am

I've never understood why a company can't function on its own with just selling their products without having stocks and investors. How on earth did the entire world function before the invent of wall st and dow, jones?

I would think the simple way to prevent catastrophe would have been to let all the huge institutions die, give all the unemployed some "welfare" or what ever you want to call it until they find work or start a biz of their own.

Even with robbing the public of all this money to aid the failing companies, the problem still exists that the public will have even less money to spend, so what is the point in keeping the big guys going?

Streamline government. Low, flat tax. Less gov involvement in personal and business affairs.

404 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:51am

re: #378 Ward Cleaver

Our governor, Rick Perry, bitched about it at first, then decided to accept the dough. Perry's one of those that Obama has knocked for not being "with the program", so to speak.

Obama will start to see perfect hair as a threat. These things happen in threes ... Blago, Perry, ?

405 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:51am

re: #347 bolivar

Pathetic I know but, given that democrats have killed this state we have to reach out at any life preserver we can. I am going to be out of work in 2 weeks and my wife's employment is not secure so our lots in Florida are looking more and more tempting all the time.

I'm very sorry to hear that about your job. No income tax in Florida....

406 Dragonwolf  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:02am

re: #49 albusteve

I'm getting clobbered but I have to ride it out...I have no other choices....this whole friggin thing is contrived which is what sets off a burning rage...it didnt need to happen...but it is the plan...
Step 1 wreck the economy

Step 2 blame the system that built the powerhouse economy you just wrecked.

407 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:09am
408 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:10am

re: #393 Occasional Reader

WHY DO YOU HATE TRILOBITES?!?!

/


Big Johnson is ripping us off.

409 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:17am

re: #383 smokefire

Restored,and contrite, and vowing NEVER NEVER NEVER to get into any Creationism conversations EVERAGAIN.

Thank you again Charles.

Whoa! A lizard resurrection! Hallelujah!

/St. Cognito approved.

410 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:24am

re: #390 Peacekeeper

All in good fun, ya?

Breaking news: "Playtime is Fun"

Let's run with it!

411 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:29am

re: #384 Dianna

It's downright odd. At first I thought the threatening email must have been a hoax but it checks out. I think Spencer is losing it. He's probably always been a little on the extreme side but something is going on with him. Maybe personal problems or something.

412 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:32am

re: #359 twincitiesgirl

My unicorn just died.

I still haven't gotten my damn unicorn.

413 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:40am

re: #389 Kenneth

The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History

A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.

Where's the one from when my wife had our kitchen remodeled?

414 Mike McDaniel  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:51am

re: #3 Kenneth

Guns and ammunition, obviously.

Seriously, it's a good time to just hang on and ride it out. That's what I'm doing. Put money aside, let the market tank...and buy when it hits rock bottom sometime late this year.

415 soccerdad  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:53am

re: #47 Golem Akbar

I don't want BHO to fail. I want the economy to get better. It is still possible, even under the socialist state that the ONE™ wants for us. Highly unlikely, but still possible.

Call me about a bridge i have for sale.

416 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:54am

re: #374 cimom

OT - is that Basement Cat in your av?

417 lostlakehiker  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:01am

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

I wouldn't rate myself an expert, but the Gold train has already left the station. At over $1000 an ounce, it's overpriced. There are many mines that were abandoned because they could not be worked profitably at $300, but they can be reopened. If the price stays above $1000, they will be reopened. This new supply will nudge the price downward.

What's more, the circumstances of near economic meltdown needed for stocks to collapse while money-in-the-bank collapses due to inflation are circumstances so serious that gold is not much security. Gold can be confiscated.

If you're a complete pessimist, your best security is to have skills that will be necessary in almost any community and almost any economy. If you have a talent that can fit that occupational description, and an interest in such work, that might be something to think about. Possessions are not much of a protection in an economic meltdown.

If your job is stable, owning a modest home, free and clear, might be a good idea. Homes too can be confiscated, but most governments flinch from widespread confiscation of homes. The mob may resent people with gold, but everybody needs some sort of lodging.

Coping skills are also valuable. The more around-the-home stuff you can do for yourself, the better.

And friends are essential. Giving generously of your time and money, to a community that you'll be a part of for years to come, is maybe a better form of money in the bank, than money in the bank is.

418 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:01am

re: #389 Kenneth

The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History

A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.

That last photograph made me jump.

419 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:07am

re: #357 Occasional Reader

I've just never traded food stamps for firearms, I guess.

yeah, it's a bit of a hassel, WIC checks are the gold standard...

420 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:10am

re: #393 Occasional Reader

that's right trying to get me in the sh*ts again.

Sorry, that dog don't hunt.

Will not rise to that bait.

421 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:13am

Remember - when the stock market tanks - it has nothing to do with Obama.
When the stock market goes up - It's an Obama stimulus miracle!

422 fish  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:13am

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

Canned goods and ammo.

423 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:14am

I look at Mexico these days. Crushing poverty and unemployment. Drug gangs running the law out of town, replacing order with massacres and violence not even seen in the days of the wild West. I see our future there.

424 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:18am

re: #400 Wendya

I never thought of firearms as an investment but when I was online checking prices recently, I found that my firearms have done a hell of a lot better than my investments in the stock market.

And wait till you check ammunition prices. Back in October a friend and I were talking and I said that - if we were smart - we'd liquidate everything and invest in 9mm, .38 cal., .45 cal., and .227 ammo. We had a good laugh.

Oops.

425 snowcrash  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:31am

re: #389 Kenneth

The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History

A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.


Wasn't expecting that! Good one.

426 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:38am

re: #389 Kenneth

The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History

A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.

Wow, today is the first anniversary of Number 8. I remember, it was a Saturday, and I was running around doing errands, when I heard about it on the radio.

427 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:41am

re: #399 calcajun

I think someone in the cabinet is a graduate from the Robert Mugabe School of Economics.

Oh hell. If it ever gets as far as Zimbabwe has, I going to throw myself off the roof.

428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:55am

Anybody see the "Naked Gun" movie...he's sitting in the bar....lounge singer is singing, "Guess I've been screwed"...

Camera panning around the room... Photo's of famous disasters, Hindenburg - Titanic - San Francisco earthquake - final, Michael Dukakis.

Looks like time to add a new picture to the wall.

429 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:00am
430 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:07am

re: #399 calcajun

I think someone in the cabinet is a graduate from the Robert Mugabe School of Economics.

There are stories Mugabe is wanting to leave the country now that he has sucked it dry of any and all wealth he can get. Just our luck if O pulls a Carter and give refuge to Mugabe here in the US.

431 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:15am

re: #403 Teacake!

I've never understood why a company can't function on its own with just selling their products without having stocks and investors. How on earth did the entire world function before the invent of wall st and dow, jones?

Companies have always had investors. Before the stock market, they were private investors.

432 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:16am

O has never had a real job in his life.
all he knows is ideology on paper,
no actual experience doing anything to make money.
he has no idea how to run a business.
it is so predictable that he would wreck the economy.
and on top of his lack of experience, he is a committed marxist.
he was a train wreck from the beginning and too many people refused to see it.

433 JohnAdams  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:17am

re: #389 Kenneth

The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History

A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.

So you're saying this is fascinating?

434 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:18am

re: #389 Kenneth

The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History

A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.

It's not funny, but I'm LMAO.

435 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:28am

re: #338 Caboose

Is it too early to state

Worst. President. Ever.

?

been doing that for awhile....... need any stickers?

436 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:30am

re: #414 Mike McDaniel

Seriously, it's a good time to just hang on and ride it out.

Also, quite possibly, it's a good time for real estate.

437 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:33am

"You see, son, our economic crisis was, um, brought on by, um, people running up huge loads of debt to buy a bunch of, um, crap they didn't need. Which is why my 'stimulus' will, um, borrow trillions of dollars from the, um, Chinese to pay for, um, community organizers and um stuff."

Must. adhere. blindly. to. my. plastic. love.

438 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:36am

re: #410 Occasional Reader

Breaking news: "Playtime is Fun"

Let's run with it!

Aren't you the guy who stepped in the sacred puddle of Machu Picchu?

439 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:41am

re: #390 Peacekeeper

All in good fun, ya?

Was somebody funnin' someone else? Did I miss it?

440 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:51am

re: #413 Abu Al-Poopypants

Where's the one from when my wife had our kitchen remodeled?

Here.

441 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:58am

re: #383 smokefire

Restored,and contrite, and vowing NEVER NEVER NEVER to get into any Creationism conversations EVERAGAIN.

Thank you again Charles.

Your departure scared the pith right out of me...:) Welcome back!

442 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:39:07am
443 rawmuse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:39:16am

When I first moved to my neighborhood, a lot of houses had iron bars over the window and doors, desperate relics from the 70's era crime wave. My house even had them at the time of my purchase. I took them all down. We all did.

Now, just last week, I saw some new ones going up. Nice new ones.

444 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:39:31am

re: #354 Bloodnok

Good striper fishing off Plum Island. I miss it.

It's been better on Cape Ann the last few years.

445 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:39:34am

re: #399 calcajun

I think someone in the cabinet the entire Administration is a graduate from the Robert Mugabe School of Economics.

FTFY!

446 davinvalkri  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:11am

re: #433 JohnAdams

So you're saying this is fascinating?

In a massive train wreck schadenfreude kind of way, yes.
Remember Monty Python?
"For life's a piece of shit when you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke it's true...
You'll see it's all a show, keep them laughing as you go...
Just remember that the last laugh is on you!"

447 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:37am

re: #421 FrogMarch

Remember - when the stock market tanks - it has nothing you're racist for suggesting it has something to do with Obama.
When the stock market goes up - It's an Obama stimulus miracle!

FTFY

448 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:39am

re: #418 MandyManners

That was pretty scary, wasn't it.

449 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:39am

re: #359 twincitiesgirl

Replacement Unicorn

Hope this helps.

450 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:39am

i despise the msm.

451 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:39am

re: #338 Caboose

Is it too early to state

Worst. President. Ever.

?

Why not? Many in America had already labeled him the best president ever, before he even took office. I saw a poll of non-Americans, Europeans I think, in which Obama was rated ahead of the Dalai Lama as the most trusted world leader, even before he was a world leader.

452 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:48am

re: #438 Peacekeeper

Aren't you the guy who stepped in the sacred puddle of Machu Picchu?

No, I made the sacred puddle. (You really only just rent Cuzqueña beer, you know what I mean?)

453 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:50am

OK, everyone, take your shots. I deserve them, but you all are going to have to be pretty good.

30+ years of sitting at fire house tables have prepared me for just about anything.

My final word on this matter is Charles is the most benevolent LIZARD MASTER.

454 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:53am

re: #424 subsailor68

And wait till you check ammunition prices. Back in October a friend and I were talking and I said that - if we were smart - we'd liquidate everything and invest in 9mm, .38 cal., .45 cal., and .227 ammo. We had a good laugh.

Oops.

When prices started rising, I bought a few thousand rounds of .223. I've been picking up .45 and 9mm bit by bit.

455 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:57am

re: #439 Bloodnok

Was somebody funnin' someone else? Did I miss it?

Big fun. The funnest.

456 Scion9  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:41:16am

re: #352 davinvalkri

Let's wait until he's out of office before we compare him to Harding.

Harding was a paragon of virtue in comparison to many that came before him, and practically everyone that came after. He was disgraced in the same way Nixon was; for engaging in unethical behavior that was official government policy funded by taxpayers, with the consent of Congress under FDR and Truman; and illicitly continued by Kennedy and Johnson. For the same reason as well; being hated by the press and the mugwump elites because of his political ideology not being sufficiently 'progressive'. Harding is nowhere close to being the worst President ever, even with his scandals, that basically amounted to no-bid contracts which are shamelessly mainstream policy now.

457 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:41:43am

re: #455 Peacekeeper

Big fun. The funnest.

I like fun.

458 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:41:58am

re: #443 rawmuse

When I first moved to my neighborhood, a lot of houses had iron bars over the window and doors, desperate relics from the 70's era crime wave. My house even had them at the time of my purchase. I took them all down. We all did.

Now, just last week, I saw some new ones going up. Nice new ones.


ya know, I live in a landmark hood & the older the bulding the thicker the iron... what did they know?

459 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:21am

re: #383 smokefire

Restored,and contrite, and vowing NEVER NEVER NEVER to get into any Creationism conversations EVERAGAIN.

Thank you again Charles.

Good to see you back.

460 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:30am

re: #442 buzzsawmonkey

You realize, of course, that you are the first person who has actually been renewed on Carousel.

Okay, I was motivated to see that movie when I was 13 or 14 entirely because of the brief cameo by Farrah Fawcett Majors. There, I said it.

461 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:33am

re: #423 MJBrutus

I look at Mexico these days. Crushing poverty and unemployment. Drug gangs running the law out of town, replacing order with massacres and violence not even seen in the days of the wild West. I see our future there.

Mad Max Time?

462 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:38am

This is the Boston Globe story that Rush is referring to:

For now, laid off and loving it
Some are finding respite in a life without work

You would have a better chance of seeing Jesus Christ himself than reading such an article if George W. Bush were president.

463 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:47am
464 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:49am

re: #453 smokefire

OK, everyone, take your shots. I deserve them, but you all are going to have to be pretty good.

30+ years of sitting at fire house tables have prepared me for just about anything.

My final word on this matter is Charles is the most benevolent LIZARD MASTER.

Stop it.

465 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:52am

re: #454 Wendya

When prices started rising, I bought a few thousand rounds of .223. I've been picking up .45 and 9mm bit by bit.

Check out local gun shows if you have 'em. Went to one here in the Texas Hill Country on Saturday, and there was a huge table of ammo for sale (although not as cheap as it used to be). Picked up 9mm, .38 cal, and 30-06 rounds at a fairly reasonable price.

466 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:57am

re: #389 Kenneth

The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History

A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.

While that was humorous, I would have one objection. Where is 9/11? I would say that was pretty catastrophic and had to cost more than the $150 million that is quoted for the Titanic.

467 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:00am

re: #320 Thanos

The bright spot: my company is bucking the trend and our stock is going up. No, not going to name them.

Give us a hint do they have "greeters" or a "dollar menu"?

468 Dragonwolf  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:00am

re: #92 OldLineTexan

Hey, the market is really cold!

/

But obviously not frigid...because we're still getting screwed

469 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:25am

re: #232 realwest

Well you can certainly bet that Obama is gonna blame Bush for this.
But sometimes facts get in the way of the Obama's message: The Community Reinvestment Act, as revised by Clinton and The Dems, punished banks for not making mortgage loans to people with no credit history or a bad credit history. Thus was created the SubPrime Mortgage.
Wall Street Investment "Banks" like Lehman, Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch saw an opportunity - buy Billions of dollars worth of these SubPrime Mortages, put them in a pool and then issue bonds at low rates because those bonds were "securitized" by those pools of mortgages. Then Fannie and Freddie got into the act with reducing "normal" requirements for down payments and a lot of folks were buying houses with 100% financing - no equity in the home that they purchased at all.
Then, either because of the buyer's greed (I HAVE to have a 3,000 sq ft. house and I HAVE to have granite countertops and I HAVE to have all stainless steel appliances) or Seller's greed (I want to make every penny I can off this house when I sell it) and the mortgage brokers and the realestate brokers actually helping people to buy and finance houses when those brokers KNEW that the buyers' wouldn't be able to afford the mortgage, real estate taxes, utilities FOOD and all, without MAJOR changes in their lifestyles and now WE'RE stuck paying off their mortgages as well as our own.
If Republicans can EVER get their message out over the MSM cover that Obama has, folks will realize what's happened here.
And then Buyer's (or Voters) Remorse will set in.

Well summarized. The Republicans need to chop this up into bite-size chunks and repeat it every time somebody sticks a microphone in their face.

470 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:27am

Unicorn recipes

may come in handy soon...

471 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:31am

above or below 7200 today at the close?

tiebreaker: where are we gonna be at COB friday?

472 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:53am

re: #457 Bloodnok

I like fun.

Me, too. It's... fun.

473 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:02am

I'm just hoping my unicorn comes soon. Perhaps some hair from his mane will make a nice padding for the handbasket...

474 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:15am

re: #457 Bloodnok

I like fun.

It's all fun & games until somebody loses an eye.

475 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:18am

re: #436 Occasional Reader

Also, quite possibly, it's a good time for real estate.

Down 40 per cent in California.

476 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:22am

re: #462 loppyd

This is the Boston Globe story that Rush is referring to:

For now, laid off and loving it
Some are finding respite in a life without work

You would have a better chance of seeing Jesus Christ himself than reading such an article if George W. Bush were president.

You have got to be kidding me.

"Unemployment! Everyone's doing it! Join the party!"

477 mattm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:43am

I just heard some MSM intro on how 0bama has a plan to cut the deficit in half but raising taxes and "fiscal responsibility." Hahahahaha......

478 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:43am

re: #468 Dragonwolf

But obviously not frigid...because we're still getting screwed

Yep. How do ya think Eskimos reproduce?

;-)

479 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:56am

re: #460 Occasional Reader

Jenny Agutter. Farah just didn't compare.

480 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:59am

So, is it just me, or would you rather have Voldemort as President then BO?

481 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:16am

re: #444 loppyd

It's been better on Cape Ann the last few years.

..............whoooo, wait a minute PLUM ISLAND

That is where they conduct nefarious science experiments. There is a sign at the waters edge, that say's in so many words,

Stay the Hell away

482 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:16am

re: #473 Chicago Blonde

I'm just hoping my unicorn comes soon. Perhaps some hair from his mane will make a nice padding for the handbasket...

Just be careful where you put the horn.

483 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:22am

re: #464 Peacekeeper

Stop it.

Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?

484 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:29am

re: #385 Occasional Reader

That one over there, that's the Duomo, seen from the Belvedere, isn't it?

Funny, these "Silence of the Lambs" cues are. I am inspired.

Letting BHO and the Dems run the economy is like letting Hannibal Lecter have access to a gourmet kitchen; they both mean to serve us--just not like how we imagine.

485 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:35am

re: #461 opnion

Mad Max Time?

If it's awl the same to yew, oi'll droive that tankeh.

486 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:39am

re: #466 Ford_Prefect

9-11 was an intentional crime or act of war. The list included only accidents or screw-ups of some sort or another.

487 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:51am

re: #481 smokefire

..............whoooo, wait a minute PLUM ISLAND

That is where they conduct nefarious science experiments. There is a sign at the waters edge, that say's in so many words,

Stay the Hell away

Different Plum Island

488 Bob Dillon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:52am

re: #423 MJBrutus

I look at Mexico these days. Crushing poverty and unemployment. Drug gangs running the law out of town, replacing order with massacres and violence not even seen in the days of the wild West. I see our future there.

Naw - you're just having flashbacks of when you watched Mad Max - Road Warrior.

/

489 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:59am

For Sharmuta

I wish they were Repubs.

490 snowcrash  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:00am

re: #432 nyc redneck
Hey redneck girl, If you watch the St. Patrick's Day parade in NYC, my son will be marching with his (TX) high school marching band, all 300 of them! I am not chaperoning so I can't suggest a meet up :( Could have been fun.

491 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:13am

re: #480 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

So, is it just me, or would you rather have Voldemort as President then BO?

is that a trick question?

492 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:20am

Gateway Pundit > Thanks Barry... Consumer Index Hits Record Lows- Stock Market Reaches Pre-Bush 1997 Levels

We are now officially looking at a Barry Market

Stock markets tanked today to pre-Bush levels.
Thanks Barry.

Major stock market indexes fell to 1997 levels today.
Breitbart reported:

Investors' sagging confidence has pulled the major stock market indexes to their lowest levels in nearly 12 years.

The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell to April 1997 levels Monday, while the Dow Jones industrial average reached its levels of October 1997 as investors succumbed to their growing worries about a recession that has no end in sight.

Most financial stocks were pounded even as government agencies led by the Treasury Department said they will launch a revamped bank rescue program that includes the option of increasing government ownership in financial institutions without having to pour more taxpayer money into them.

Also, the Rasmussen consumer index dropped to record lows today as well.
The Patriot Room reported:

The Rasmussen Consumer Index, which measures consumer confidence on a daily basis, fell two points on Monday to 55.5. That’s the lowest level of confidence ever recorded in the seven-year history of the Consumer Index, and the fourth time a new low has been set this month.

The Rasmussen Investor Index fell nearly four points on Monday to 56.9, also a record low. For the Investor Index, the previous low had been established in mid-December.

But, don't worry... Joe Biden was just put in the role of stimulus czar.
Everything will be fine.

493 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:20am

re: #477 mattm

I just heard some MSM intro on how 0bama has a plan to cut the deficit in half but raising taxes and "fiscal responsibility." Hahahahaha......

You bet. First he increases it five-fold above the atrocious level that Bush left it at after TARP and then promises to cut that level by 1/3.

494 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:28am

re: #476 Bloodnok

So why didn't they embed a little loop of "Keep on the Sunny Side of Life" when you clicked on it?

Unbelievable.

495 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:35am

re: #475 MandyManners

Down 40 per cent in California.

and yet still over valued

496 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:38am

re: #466 Ford_Prefect

While that was humorous, I would have one objection. Where is 9/11? I would say that was pretty catastrophic and had to cost more than the $150 million that is quoted for the Titanic.

The Economic Costs of 9/11:

The September 11 attacks inflicted casualties and material damages on a far greater scale than any other terrorist aggression in recent history. Lower Manhattan lost approximately 30 percent of its office space and a number of businesses ceased to exist. Close to 200,000 jobs were destroyed or relocated out of New York City, at least temporarily. The destruction of physical assets was estimated in the national accounts to amount to $14 billion for private businesses, $1.5 billion for state and local government enterprises and $0.7 billion for federal enterprises. Rescue, cleanup and related costs have been estimated to amount to at least $11 billion for a total direct cost of $27.2 billion.

497 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:39am

re: #471 redc1c4

above or below 7200 today at the close?

tiebreaker: where are we gonna be at COB friday?

6500?

498 Shug  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:42am

re: #480 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

So, is it just me, or would you rather have Voldemort as President then BO?

No. I think she's doing a better job as first lady


/rimshot

499 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:43am

re: #389 Kenneth

The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History

A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.

Somehow... just somehow... I knew Obama was going to be #1 on the list.

500 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:45am

re: #448 Kenneth

That was pretty scary, wasn't it.

I wonder about Bhopal.

501 deWildcats  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:10am

re: #471 redc1c4

above or below 7200 today at the close?

tiebreaker: where are we gonna be at COB friday?

Can this be put on the website front page for all to play along with?

502 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:33am

re: #486 Kenneth

9-11 was an intentional crime or act of war. The list included only accidents or screw-ups of some sort or another.

ummmm, letting a second attack happen dosen't count as a screw-up?

503 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:34am

re: #479 joncelli

Jenny Agutter. Farah just didn't compare.

Bah. How many adolescent boys had Jenny Agutter posters up on their bedroom walls in the 1970s? I rest my case.

504 zombie  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:34am

OK, question for the financial whizzes out there:

I occasionally help a senior citizen manage his finances (he is disabled and nearly blind, etc.).

He has several looooooongstanding IRAs and other investments, some of which are tied to the stock market. He's had these for decades.

Basically, his "portfolio" has gone up and down with the Dow over the years. And, needless to say, it has gone down down down over the last 12 months.

All of his investments are classified as "conservative" in nature -- i.e. the least risky kind of investment/IRA. So they don't fluctuate wildly -- just follow the general trend of the Dow.

Now, he's old enough the remember the Great Depression, and he's starting to worry that this downturn won't ever bounce back -- that the stock market will literally hit bottom, that all the financial institutions will go bankrupt, and he will lose all his money. So he's wondering: Should he take out his (diminished) money now, and put it into FDIC-insured banks? Or do what I have until now been recommending: ride it out. Things may go down, but surely, either in two years or five years or ten years, it will go back up.

Important note: All the financial institutions which are handling these investments are well-known, top-notch, non-flaky companies -- you've heard of them all.

I tell him that if he sells off his investments now, he'll be "locking in the losses," and it would be better to "ride it out." Because he doesn't need the cash now -- it's his nest egg. And he's comparatively healthy -- he'll be around for several more years, undoubtedly.

What would you advise?

505 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:44am
506 PISSED  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:45am

Loppyd..... almost verbatim to one of the comments!

You've got to be kidding, Globe. If a Republican were in office, you'd NEVER print an article like this! If you can't be objective, you shouldn't be in journalism.

507 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:00am

re: #466 Ford_Prefect

While that was humorous, I would have one objection. Where is 9/11? I would say that was pretty catastrophic and had to cost more than the $150 million that is quoted for the Titanic.

I got the notion that the list is about accidents. Well, except for the last one.

508 bolivar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:03am

re: #405 loppyd

I'm very sorry to hear that about your job. No income tax in Florida....

There is so much to love around here - the seat of Liberty and the history you can just feel can be very intoxicating at times but then, I have an encounter with one of "them" and it just slips away and I get pissed and my blood pressure goes up and my wife tells me to shut my f^@%#* mouth and that brings things into focus.

Not always fun to be conservative in the liberal morass called New England - challenging but, not always fun.

509 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:04am

re: #462 loppyd

The company my wife works for recently told their employees that if anyone wanted to take a voluntary layoff, it would be granted to them. It was a temporary offer in which, essentially, a person could quit and still collect unemployment. There were some takers. Some people would rather sit at home and collect instead of actually work for a living. Sad.

510 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:06am

re: #503 Occasional Reader

Bah. How many adolescent boys had Jenny Agutter posters up on their bedroom walls in the 1970s? I rest my case.

Who?

511 mattm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:11am

RCP Polling data

Direction of country 59.3 wrong direction/32.3 right direction

512 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:16am

Come see Broadway's newest hit musical! It's the story of a man who was seen as the second coming of the messiah, before he turned the greatest nation in the world into a socialist disaster! It's . . .

JESUS CHRIST SUPER-CZAR

513 Caboose  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:17am

re: #350 MandyManners

I believed that on 11/20/08.

Well, I wanted to give the big Zer0 a chance to prove me wrong by not being the worst right away, but he wasted no time in proving me correct, damn him. And those that voted for this train wreck...

I think the W0rst. President. Ever needs to have the 0bama logo (stolen from the Real California cheese folks) in place of the '0'.

514 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:30am

re: #492 gmsc

But, don't worry... Joe Biden was just put in the role of stimulus czar.
Everything will be fine.

Well, that's just freaking brilliant. What next? Al Sharpton as the racism czar?

515 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:31am

re: #482 Ford_Prefect

Ew!
*smacking on nose*
Bad Ford, bad! :)

516 cimom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:34am

re: #416 yma o hyd
Who is basement cat? The cat in the picture is our pet (although my daughter considers her to be her precious baby). I put her next to a huge pumpkin that I grew for a Halloween picture.

517 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:48am

re: #476 Bloodnok

You have got to be kidding me.

"Unemployment! Everyone's doing it! Join the party!"

Gotta make Barry look good no matter what!

518 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:55am

re: #503 Occasional Reader

Teenage boys have bad taste! [Sticks out tongue.]

519 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:14am

What would you advise?

Take up smoking.

520 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:23am

re: #503 Occasional Reader

Bah. How many adolescent boys had Jenny Agutter posters up on their bedroom walls in the 1970s? I rest my case.

I had a burgundy t-shirt with the famous Farrah picture on it.

521 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:30am

Noted a little uptick then it went back down. What, some Democrat shithead go on TV?

522 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:34am
523 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:50am

re: #503 Occasional Reader

Bah. How many adolescent boys had Jenny Agutter posters up on their bedroom walls in the 1970s? I rest my case.

IIRC she did show her rack...

524 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:50am
525 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:53am

re: #487 Leonidas Hoplite

Different Plum Island

oooops, my bad.

The Plum Island I was speaking of is between Fishers Island, NY, the eastern end of Long Island, aka the RACE

End of Thames River/Long Island Sound, open Atlantic

526 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:03am

re: #500 MandyManners

Good point.

It would be very difficult to calcuylate the true cost of the Bhopal disaster.

# UCC offered US$ 350 million, the insurance sum.[1][2]
# The Government of India claimed US$ 350 billion from UCC.[1][2

527 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:05am

re: #510 FurryOldGuyJeans

Who?

Exactly.

But Farrah in that red swimsuit.... hubbahubbahubba.

528 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:25am

re: #516 cimom

Awww!
*giving cute kitty an e-snuzzle*

529 Racer X  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:41am

re: #504 zombie

Ride it out.

We are no where near the great depression. Things will turn around in spite of what Obama does.

530 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:48am

re: #527 Occasional Reader

Exactly.

But Farrah in that red swimsuit.... hubbahubbahubba.

Now you are speaking my language! ;)

531 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:50am

re: #519 Peacekeeper

What would you advise?

Take up smoking.

And, sniffing glue. Sky-diving. White-water rafting nekkid.

532 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:55am

re: #447 gmsc

FTFY

I'm just a horrid racist for not cooperating. mInd crime. *Guards - seize me.*

533 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:07am

re: #476 Bloodnok

You have got to be kidding me.

"Unemployment! Everyone's doing it! Join the party!"

Hey, Zombie, we got the name for your 3rd party, & it seems to be getting more popular every day.

534 PISSED  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:11am

re: #527 Occasional Reader

ahhhhh the memories : )

[Link: www.cybertown.com...]

535 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:23am

re: #490 snowcrash

Hey redneck girl, If you watch the St. Patrick's Day parade in NYC, my son will be marching with his (TX) high school marching band, all 300 of them! I am not chaperoning so I can't suggest a meet up :( Could have been fun.

ok, i have a reason to go now. love the st. paddy's day parade.
love the guys in kilts, and knee socks w/ knives hanging off the side of their muscular calves.
(wish you were coming up)

536 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:24am

Maybe Charles could tally all the up and down dings daily. Sort of an LGF index?

537 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:26am

re: #522 subsailor68

For all lizards concerned about what's happening in Mexico, just consider this:

Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone.

Lovely. Just freakin' lovely.

Humpf...I got drafted in Phoenix in 1967...I was gone for two years...:)

/S

538 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:40am

re: #520 Ward Cleaver

I had a burgundy t-shirt with the famous Farrah picture on it.

I can still remember a kid on my school bus ceremoniously unfurling the Farrah poster one morning. We all just gaped. We were, hmm, 10 years old. We knew we liked it, we just weren't quite sure at that age why.

539 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:44am

re: #491 Kenneth

is that a trick question?

Have you ever compared their pictures?

540 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:44am

re: #522 subsailor68

For all lizards concerned about what's happening in Mexico, just consider this:

Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone.

Lovely. Just freakin' lovely.

I watched a segment about that on 20/20 a couple of weeks ago. Drug dealers kidnapping other drug dealers, threatening to do things like cut their hands off.

541 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:48am

re: #526 Kenneth

Good point.

It would be very difficult to calcuylate the true cost of the Bhopal disaster.

Look at the cost in human lives--up to 30,000 according to things I've heard over the years.

542 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #520 Ward Cleaver

I had a burgundy t-shirt with the famous Farrah picture on it.

I had a poster with Albert Einstein sticking his tongue out....some pinup would have been classified as porn by my mother.

543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:27am

re: #504 zombie

First, I would advise him to keep a good friend. Good form, Zombie.

Financial side? If you ask ten finance guys, you'll get ten answers.

544 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:34am

re: #528 Chicago Blonde

Awww!
*giving cute kitty an e-snuzzle*

Mighty Litter kicker just got in line...great now I can sweep up his road project...:)

545 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:49am

Speaking of unicorns, there's too much negativity here. Can I offer anyone a little kool-aid to drink?

"Dawn of a New Era: What an incredible feeling to be proud to be an American!"

Nude Obama leaps from his unicorn to defeat the dreaded Wall Street bear

546 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:58am

re: #516 cimom

Who is basement cat? The cat in the picture is our pet (although my daughter considers her to be her precious baby). I put her next to a huge pumpkin that I grew for a Halloween picture.

Its a lovely cat!

'Basement Cat' is from Lolcats - its the baaad black cat living in the basement, and the fierce opponent of 'Ceiling Cat', which is, of course, white ...

547 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:58am

re: #427 davinvalkri

Oh hell. If it ever gets as far as Zimbabwe has, I going to throw myself off the roof.

Before I go that far, I'm going to pay off my mortgages with one hours wages. Then I might have a burger with the other 7 from the day.

548 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:05am

re: #509 Ford_Prefect

The company my wife works for recently told their employees that if anyone wanted to take a voluntary layoff, it would be granted to them. It was a temporary offer in which, essentially, a person could quit and still collect unemployment. There were some takers. Some people would rather sit at home and collect instead of actually work for a living. Sad.

I know someone who has been unemployed for over six months and has made no attempts at getting a job - and doesn't care.

549 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:12am

re: #504 zombie

I tell him that if he sells off his investments now, he'll be "locking in the losses," and it would be better to "ride it out." Because he doesn't need the cash now -- it's his nest egg. And he's comparatively healthy -- he'll be around for several more years, undoubtedly.

What would you advise?


My completely uniformed opinion would be to stay put. 3wood could give you a more professional opinion.

550 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:26am

re: #403 Teacake!

I've never understood why a company can't function on its own with just selling their products without having stocks and investors. How on earth did the entire world function before the invent of wall st and dow, jones?

I would think the simple way to prevent catastrophe would have been to let all the huge institutions die, give all the unemployed some "welfare" or what ever you want to call it until they find work or start a biz of their own.

Even with robbing the public of all this money to aid the failing companies, the problem still exists that the public will have even less money to spend, so what is the point in keeping the big guys going?

Streamline government. Low, flat tax. Less gov involvement in personal and business affairs.

Some products cost too much money to develop for any one person to afford. That's one reason.
Another is that if the business goes bankrupt, the proprietor's personal assets can also be taken by creditors. The limited liability company was one of the greatest inventions to help the economy.

551 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:39am

re: #515 Chicago Blonde

Ew!
*smacking on nose*
Bad Ford, bad! :)

I meant that you wouldn't want to sit on it. You're sick. ;-)

552 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:44am

re: #523 Peacekeeper

IIRC she did show her rack...

And she wasn't too bad in "An American Werewolf in London" either.

553 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:51am

re: #544 Dustyvet

I loved all our pets equally but cats are just so darn entertaining...

554 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:01am

Just curious, has anyone here cashed in their 401K? Been considering it but don't like the tax hit.

555 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:09am

re: #540 Ward Cleaver

I watched a segment about that on 20/20 a couple of weeks ago. Drug dealers kidnapping other drug dealers, threatening to do things like cut their hands off.

If they start with that, they'll likely want to graduate to kidnapping as a large scale industry. People who do this must be crushed before that happens.

556 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:23am

re: #552 subsailor68

And she wasn't too bad in "An American Werewolf in London" either.


Awoooooo!

557 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:24am

re: #504 zombie

One idea:

Look at the individual investments and evaluate them by how they stand today. Some investments were more exposed to the risks & meltdown than others. Sell the shaky ones and hold the cash in bonds with varied maturities. When the market really does look like it's picking up again, buy back in.

558 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:34am
559 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:34am

re: #545 Last Mohican

Speaking of unicorns, there's too much negativity here. Can I offer anyone a little kool-aid to drink?

"Dawn of a New Era: What an incredible feeling to be proud to be an American!"

Nude Obama leaps from his unicorn to defeat the dreaded Wall Street bear

He's taller than depicted in the latter.

560 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:36am

Down 200

561 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:53am

re: #517 loppyd

Gotta make Barry look good no matter what!

...and it's a real good thing you're doing, Barry! It's a real good thing!


/0bama isn't so much throwing people into the bus as he is wishing them into the cornfield.

"It's a Good Life":
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5

562 gman  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:10am

In these troubled times, I have found peace by listening to the chorus of the
Sing for Change™ video:

Yes we can, can, can
Yes we can, can, can
Yes we can, can, can

563 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:11am

re: #558 ploome hineni

wonder why gold is not moving?

You ever see that Twilight Zone episode?

564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:14am

re: #554 tackle

Just curious, has anyone here cashed in their 401K? Been considering it but don't like the tax hit.

Every pro I have heard is saying "do not cash in your 401K." Kind of makes me want to go and cash in my 401K,

565 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:18am

re: #553 Chicago Blonde

I loved all our pets equally but cats are just so darn entertaining...

I know...:) Oh God he's going to dynamite the bathtub...

566 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:37am

Down 203

567 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:50am

re: #540 Ward Cleaver

I watched a segment about that on 20/20 a couple of weeks ago. Drug dealers kidnapping other drug dealers, threatening to do things like cut their hands off.

Yep, and it wouldn't be all that bad if it stayed that way. Unfortunately, it appears (at least in the border towns) that the new market is kidnapping tourists for ransom. And they're not just going after millionaires.

568 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:51am

A thought comes to mind. I was one of those that applauded President Bush when early on in his first administration he tried doing something about social security and privatizing part of it. Of course he was pilloried for it and it came to nothing but in retrospect, based on what's happening to the markets, I'm wondering if maybe the intent, while good, was flawed.
I really don't know. I'm not smart enough economicallyto figure it out.
Just musing..........

569 Dasher  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:02am

Unfortunately the current government solutions are not fixes. They are additions to the problem.

570 zombie  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:02am

Not that anybody cares, but I very subtly re-jiggered the front page of zombietime: added a more prominent link to zomblog, reorganized some of the "current favorites" and other sidebar categories, and most importantly -- "disappeared" a couple of links. (I.e. the reports/essays are still online, I just removed the links to them.)

Why did I do that? Well, every now and then, some things just need to be "retired." Not trying to cover anything up -- the things are still there -- just feel that they no longer merit front-page inclusion.

For example, one of the ones I retired this time around is The Really Truly Hillary Gallery, which (as you can see) is still online, but there is no longer any link to it from the zombietime main page. Why? Because it was part of the presidential campaign, and now seems ridiculous and kind of petty and pointless, since she's no longer running for office.

Anyway, there are now quite a number of "hidden" zombietime pages like that, and I'm just going to leave you guessing as to what they all are!

571 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:07am

Joe Biden - Joe Biden?!? The Gaffe master doesn't even know what year it is...

572 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:07am

re: #554 tackle

I have a neighbor who panicked and sold everything a few months ago. I feel bad for him. The time to sell was before the meltdown, not after. I do know someone who cashed out before the crash, I thought they were crazy at the time.

573 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:18am

re: #551 Ford_Prefect

Hey! No projecting or I won't share my morning coffee! :)

Sheesh, a poor woman just tries to cushion the free-fall a little and look at you...

574 Shug  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:19am

The Market Loves Barack Obama

( the resale, garage sale market)

575 Wilderstad  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:21am

[Link: www.cafepress.com...]

Your T-Shirt
One, Big, Assed, Mistake, America

576 SummerSong  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:22am

re: #475 MandyManners

Down 40 per cent in California.

Not everywhere...the coastal areas haven't dropped nearly that hard.

577 gregg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:33am

re: #504 zombie

It sure sounds like he is at the age where his money should have been mostly in fixed income, not equities.

578 PISSED  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:38am

re: #559 MandyManners

Thanks Mandy for ruining my lunch with the nude obi-one... ewww

579 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:49am

re: #552 subsailor68

And she wasn't too bad in "An American Werewolf in London" either.

IIRC she did show her rather formidable, uh, gifts in that movie.

The flick was also a great commercial for the virtues of an armed citzenry. Werewolve attacks people in a pr0n movie theatre, and they need to send for the SWAT team (which takes a while) before anyone with a gun can show up to deal with it? Reason #8,265 to support the 2nd Amendment: Rapid response to werewolves.

580 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:53am

re: #554 tackle

Just curious, has anyone here cashed in their 401K? Been considering it but don't like the tax hit.

I'm wearing part of the BF's 401K on my left hand. So it worked out quite nicely for me. :)

Seriously, his accountant told him to bail last July when his company was bought out. The hit he took in taxes was still less than what he would have lost by now.

581 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:17am

re: #572 Killgore Trout

The time to sell was before the meltdown, not after.

Maybe right now is before the meltdown.

582 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:20am

re: #571 FrogMarch

Joe Biden - Joe Biden?!? The Gaffe master doesn't even know what year it is...

That explains why he was sent to the Special Olympics?


/S

583 baldeagle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:31am

re 296 and 327.................Thats what I was trying to say

584 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:46am

I've been shilling for the Bob Brinker show every weekend. I'll continue to do so, everybody should be listening to understand what's going on with the economy and personal finance. We should be live blogging it.

585 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:51am

Plot the Dow since Jan 20th. When does O take the responsibility for this mess?

586 PISSED  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:56am

re: #580 loppyd

Best to take it now, there was talk of the gov. taking the 401k's.

587 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:01am

re: #558 ploome hineni

wonder why gold is not moving?

Gold IS moving, and has been since the economic problems were kick-started by Congress.

Gold charts (look toward the bottom of the page for the 30 and 60 day charts).

588 gregg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:01am

Just when you think the government might have run out of money to give away:

AIG Is In Talks With Government To Secure Additional Funds to Keep Operating, CNBC Has Learned

589 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:07am

re: #579 Occasional Reader

IIRC she did show her rather formidable, uh, gifts in that movie.

The flick was also a great commercial for the virtues of an armed citzenry. Werewolve attacks people in a pr0n movie theatre, and they need to send for the SWAT team (which takes a while) before anyone with a gun can show up to deal with it? Reason #8,265 to support the 2nd Amendment: Rapid response to werewolves.

ROTFLMAO! Send that to the NRA. STAT!

590 Dasher  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:17am

re: #568 LGoPs

A thought comes to mind. I was one of those that applauded President Bush when early on in his first administration he tried doing something about social security and privatizing part of it. Of course he was pilloried for it and it came to nothing but in retrospect, based on what's happening to the markets, I'm wondering if maybe the intent, while good, was flawed.
I really don't know. I'm not smart enough economicallyto figure it out.
Just musing..........

There is a difference when the current administration is doing it damnedest to drive the market down. Have you heard one encouraging work from our POTUS - (You know, the socialist one.)

591 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:26am

re: #561 gmsc

...and it's a real good thing you're doing, Barry! It's a real good thing!

/0bama isn't so much throwing people into the bus as he is wishing them into the cornfield.

"It's a Good Life":
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5

re: #563 NYCHardhat

You ever see that Twilight Zone episode?

GMTA!

Do you mean The Rip Van Winkle Caper?

592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:27am

re: #580 loppyd

Said it the other day, I'll say it again.

As someone who didn't scrimp and save and put every extra nickel into an IRA... I'm feelin' pretty damn smug.

593 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:30am

re: #579 Occasional Reader

Reason #8,265 to support the 2nd Amendment: Rapid response to werewolves.

That made my day. Thanks. :)

594 Caliredst8r  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:41am

re: #23 midwestgak

Obama is sending mixed messages

With the U.S. government racing toward $10 trillion in spending and loan guarantees to confront the recession, President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.

Huh?

Sure, he's all for clamping down on federal expenditures, but not until sometime in the year 2025.

595 Racer X  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:52am

re: #554 tackle

Just curious, has anyone here cashed in their 401K? Been considering it but don't like the tax hit.

Like zombie said above - cashing out now locks in your losses.

Look at the big picture - what changed in the past 6 months to initiate this financial collapse?
Did a major company stop producing goods?
Was there a catastrophic event that destroyed capital?
Did a major company admit to a glorious screw-up?

No.

This financial crisis was brought on by fear, and fear alone. Fear of what might happen IF all those bad loans went into default.

596 Dasher  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:04am

re: #572 Killgore Trout

I have a neighbor who panicked and sold everything a few months ago. I feel bad for him. The time to sell was before the meltdown, not after. I do know someone who cashed out before the crash, I thought they were crazy at the time.

I panicked too, before the melt down... Am in cash and gold mostly now.

597 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:17am

re: #570 zombie

That looks excellent!
It really invites the visitor to delve in and peruse what all happened and what you worked on - very very good indeed!

598 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:30am

re: #585 kansas

Plot the Dow since Jan 20th. When does O take the responsibility for this mess?

20 January 2017.

599 Shug  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:36am

re: #562 gman

In these troubled times, I have found peace by listening to the chorus of the
Sing for Change™ video:

Yes we can, can, can
Yes we can, can, can
Yes we can, can, can

I like this version better

600 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:38am

The reason why Reagan won 2 landslide elections was not that he was pandering to the base or pandering to the moderates. It was because he laid out a plan to rescue America from Carter's road to ruin. He spelled it out, and sold it to Americans. He persuaded people. He brought people from both parties over to fiscal conservatism and a belief in American Exceptionalism.

We need someone who can lay out a plan, explain it in details that Americans can understand, both in heavy details, and in the MSMs stupid sound bytes designed to make lefty ideas seem like genius. We don't necessarily need to kick the religious whack-jobs, or the Country Club Blue Blood Big Government Spend like Drunken Sailor RINOs out of the party, but we do need to keep them off of the big stage for while.

The primary issue we are going to face is that we have spent and borrowed and entitled ourselves into oblivion. Serious fiscal conservatism and true non-watered-down free markets are the ONLY way to fix this that doesn't lead to collectivist serfdom and the downfall of the nation. It should be the ONLY issue on the table worth spending any significant amount of time and energy on in the 2010 and 2012 elections. Any republican who is yammering too much about "Academic Freedom" (ie: Creationism), abortion, gay marriage, or various social conservative "hill to die on" issues needs to be yanked off stage with a big hook. "It's the economy, stupid" needs to be our internal warcry. Let the So-cons deal with their pet issues locally or at the state level and STFU up about it at the national level where it's not helping.

Part of the reason (and I believe the main reason, although religious moonbattery in the party is scaring people away too) we have Comrade Chairman Obama in office is because he was good at bullshitting people into thinking he was the "economy candidate" with a lot of populist tripe. McCain didn't know jack shit about economics either, but was honest about it. So all we had really was Palin, who I liked, but she scared off as many people as she attracted and she never once mentioned the economy. Bam... Obama victory, and it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.

We cannot let the 2012 candidate be the 'economic idiot' in the race or we are doomed.

Who will be next "Great Communicator" of fiscal conservatism and real free market solutions? Will it be Romney? Will Palin educate herself on the issue? Is there anyone? Anyone?

601 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:43am

Goodbye 7000?

602 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:51am

re: #586 PISSED

Anything I can show Mr. Blonde so we can get what's left? He wants to leave it; I had a gut feeling that was a bad idea.

603 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:57am

re: #579 Occasional Reader

Werewolve attacks people in a pr0n movie theatre

"Werewolve" of course being the singular form of "werewolves".

[sigh]

604 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:00:03pm

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

First, I would advise him to keep a good friend. Good form, Zombie.

Financial side? If you ask ten finance guys, you'll get ten answers.

You trigger a thought. I've often thought that economics and market forces in general are like a force of nature, characterized by billons if not trillions of transactions daily. Any attempt to predict or control these forces of nature are as hopeless as trying to control the force of hurricanes in nature.
General principles certainly would apply but anything more specific than that is hopeless and as likely to do harm as good, IMHO.
Best course of action is to not f**k with Mother Nature.......

605 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:00:13pm

Dow at 7160 as I type. At the rate it's dropping, it may well close under 7100 today. Crap.

606 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:00:32pm

re: #581 Last Mohican

I don't think so. We may drop more but probably not a whole lot. Most of what we are seeing is people selling off financial stocks. Unless you're tied up in financials and you're concerned about the banks being nationalized I'd stay put.

607 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:00:59pm

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Said it the other day, I'll say it again.

As someone who didn't scrimp and save and put every extra nickel into an IRA... I'm feelin' pretty damn smug.

uhhh, there is a guy here from the IRS & he wants to talk to you...

608 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:14pm

re: #550 Kosh's Shadow

The limited liability company was one of the greatest inventions to help the economy.

It certainly made a huge tax difference for us when we switched from a corporation to a LLC.

609 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:31pm

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Said it the other day, I'll say it again.

As someone who didn't scrimp and save and put every extra nickel into an IRA... I'm feelin' pretty damn smug.

Oh, you have no idea how hard it has been not to remind my fiscally responsible BF that I haven't lost a penny in the stock market. :~)

610 PISSED  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:34pm

re: #602 Chicago Blonde

Give me a couple minutes.... : )

611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:38pm

re: #596 Dasher

I panicked too, before the melt down... Am in cash and gold mostly now.

Give me your gold!
-Barack Obama.

612 Racer X  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:38pm

I Blame Obama™

613 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:39pm

The Flex-Fool Economy.

614 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:40pm

Dow down 211 now, to 7150.

7000 is withing striking distance... Go Joe, go!

615 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:56pm

re: #603 Occasional Reader

"Werewolve" of course being the singular form of "werewolves".

[sigh]

Heh, heh.

"Werewolf?"

"There wolf. There castle."

616 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:07pm

re: #569 Dasher

Unfortunately the current government solutions are not fixes. They are additions to the problem.

Yes. See this poster

And here is another one, I dedicate to the 0.

617 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:14pm

re: #338 Caboose

Is it too early to state

Worst. President. Ever.

?

Call me an optimist, but I prefer to think of him as the 44th best.

618 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:31pm

Wait, do these fuckers think the Dow is like golf? Low score wins? Somebody call them.

619 Bob Dillon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:34pm

re: #504 zombie

Check your in box.

620 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:34pm

re: #610 PISSED

Thank you.

621 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:36pm

re: #423 MJBrutus

I look at Mexico these days. Crushing poverty and unemployment. Drug gangs running the law out of town, replacing order with massacres and violence not even seen in the days of the wild West. I see our future there.

If by future you mean our Fourth Infantry ID then you may be correct I'm afraid.

622 zombie  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:42pm

re: #597 yma o hyd

That looks excellent!
It really invites the visitor to delve in and peruse what all happened and what you worked on - very very good indeed!

Thank you.

And your payoff is: another secret zombietime link.

623 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:44pm

re: #586 PISSED

Best to take it now, there was talk of the gov. taking the 401k's.

Don't think that talk won't start back up again...

624 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:46pm

Down -215.53

625 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:53pm

re: #571 FrogMarch

Joe Biden - Joe Biden?!? The Gaffe master doesn't even know what year it is...


But he knows when his next appointment for plugs is........

626 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:57pm

i just heard a clip of O on the radio news.
he said "vunerable"
what next?

627 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:57pm

re: #590 Dasher

There is a difference when the current administration is doing it damnedest to drive the market down. Have you heard one encouraging work from our POTUS - (You know, the socialist one.)

No, not a one. And I do understand that confidence is as important a factor as any other and this administration is doing its best to undermine it........
Either they're all incompetent bastards or they have an agenda. I vote for the latter......

628 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:06pm

re: #611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I shall never, repeat NEVER, hand over my lupins!

629 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:23pm

re: #621 DaddyG

If by future you mean our Fourth Infantry ID then you may be correct I'm afraid.

Huh?

630 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:26pm

re: #615 subsailor68

Heh, heh.

"Werewolf?"

"There wolf. There castle."

What knockers!

631 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:26pm

re: #580 loppyd

I'm wearing part of the BF's 401K on my left hand. So it worked out quite nicely for me. :)

Seriously, his accountant told him to bail last July when his company was bought out. The hit he took in taxes was still less than what he would have lost by now.

Congratulations!

632 zombie  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:47pm

re: #619 Bobibutu

Check your in box.

Will do.

633 Dragonwolf  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:48pm

re: #224 Mr. Sandman

You keep using the phrase 'temporary nationalization'. When has the government ever returned control of money it has taken back to the people?

Wasn't income tax a 'temporary wartime measure'?

634 PISSED  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:04pm

heres a link to one website... not sure of veracity...

google confiscate 401k's or something along those lines...

IMHO there isnt going to be any retirement if this continues...

[Link: www.jbs.org...]

635 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:09pm

I do recall 3Wood predicting a 7000 floor.

636 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:11pm

This is obvious. “The One” is counting on the market crashing so that he can point to the incompetence of the traders… thus giving him a reason to take over Wall Street and put “Smokin’ Joe” in charge.

637 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:23pm

re: #631 tackle

Congratulations!

Thank you!

638 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:34pm

re: #433 JohnAdams

So you're saying this is fascinating?

It's interesting in the Chinese curse sense of the word.

639 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:43pm

re: #622 zombie

Thank you.

And your payoff is: another secret zombietime link.

Cripes!
That was a jaw-hits-floor moment!

Thanks!

640 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:48pm

re: #635 Ben Hur

I think he changed it to 6,000.

641 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:50pm

Dead cat late afternoon bounce. Better buy.

642 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:53pm

re: #635 Ben Hur

I do recall 3Wood predicting a 7000 floor.

"3Wood 3Wood 3Wood!"

-Jan Brady

643 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:05:03pm

re: #621 DaddyG

State of War


Mexico’s hillbilly drug smugglers have morphed into a raging insurgency. Violence claimed more lives there last year alone than all the Americans killed in the war in Iraq. And there’s no end in sight.
644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:05:44pm

re: #615 subsailor68

Carol Burnett show, IIRC..."Votch out for the verevolves and wampires".

645 PISSED  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:05:47pm

re: #623 loppyd

I'm sure that they want to get there hands on everything,, like our fearless Deva.... Urkel.. here in mASSbackwards...

646 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:01pm

re: #629 Occasional Reader

I think he means that it might be necessary to intervene militarily in Mexico. I'd really, really rather not but I wish the border were more secure.

647 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:14pm

re: #643 Kenneth

State of War

Who are we to crticize their richly diverse cultural practices?

648 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:18pm

re: #634 PISSED

It's still ammo, thank you. You wouldn't think it could happen but you never know what stunt they'll pull next.

649 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:21pm

I think we need some fresh air.

*looks around for an afternoon open thread

650 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:22pm

re: #640 Killgore Trout

I think he changed it to 6,000.

Crikey.

651 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:55pm

re: #646 joncelli

I think he means that it might be necessary to intervene militarily in Mexico.

Ah.

Well, if so, I call "dibs" on Puerto Vallarta.

652 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:55pm

re: #642 Occasional Reader

"3Wood 3Wood 3Wood!"

-Jan Brady


Refund?!?

Refund?!?

REfund?!?

/name that one!

653 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:07:04pm

re: #603 Occasional Reader

"Werewolve" of course being the singular form of "werewolves".

[sigh]

Inga: Werewolf!
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Werewolf?
Igor: There.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: What?
Igor: There, wolf. There, castle.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Why are you talking that way?
Igor: I thought you wanted to.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No, I don't want to.
Igor: [shrugs] Suit yourself. I'm easy.

654 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:03pm

Via Michelle Malkin Via Hot Air

Video: Bail me out, Obama!

Tell me how a bus driver thought she could afford an $800,000 house again?

655 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:11pm

re: #634 PISSED

heres a link to one website... not sure of veracity...

google confiscate 401k's or something along those lines...

IMHO there isnt going to be any retirement if this continues...

[Link: www.jbs.org...]

While the John Birch Society is not an org I have any affection for, this is true. It began with testimony:

"The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration."

Link

Not sure where it stands at this point.

656 Pupdawg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:35pm

re: #1 beblebrox

the world weirdest rollercoaster. it only goes down!

...but for the delusional Dems down is up!

657 DeafDog  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:40pm

Want "Hope and Change"? Buy a Goat
...

{The bunch line is that you'll then be happier when you sell the goat, like the country will be happier when we get rid of Zero}

658 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:46pm

re: #650 Ben Hur

Crikey.

When I see a drop of close to 200 so far today, I have to remind myself of how large that is. It's the equivalent of 400 points 6 months ago when the market was twice its current value.

659 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:51pm

re: #630 Kosh's Shadow

What knockers!

Well if this is going to turn into a boob thread, I just have to say Adrienne Barbeau and Mimi Rogers.

660 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:52pm

"Down" with politicians and crooked financiers.

I hope there's lots of food in the food banks.

661 day734380  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:57pm

Brown and BO joined at the hip... Take a look at Great Britain today... This is your immediate future... It also appears that BO camp had to stimulate Biden to do what the Republicans refused... (Thumpty, thump)

662 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:58pm

re: #618 kansas

Wait, do these fuckers think the Dow is like golf? Low score wins? Somebody call them.

Only rich people have stocks.
This brings them down a peg.
Besides economics is constructed by the bourgeoisie to keep the proletariat down.

////

663 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:58pm

re: #654 loppyd

Via Michelle Malkin Via Hot Air

Video: Bail me out, Obama!

Tell me how a bus driver thought she could afford an $800,000 house again?

Maybe his was the bus 0bama threw everyone under. Extra pay for that.
/do I need to?

664 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:19pm

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

665 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:26pm

re: #647 Occasional Reader

Who are we to crticize their richly diverse cultural practices?

I think the Mex government is intentionally letting the situation get as bad as it can possibly get so that WE will pay for the helicopters, etc, training etc, to take on the cartels.

Just like in Colombia.

666 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:43pm

re: #652 Ben Hur

Refund?!?

Refund?!?

REfund?!?

/name that one!

Nope. Ya got me.

667 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:50pm
668 Pupdawg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:52pm

re: #4 Raven1

Obama has a plan. To destroy capitalism.

...and it's going rather nicely in Wharp Drive speed, too.

669 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:52pm

Coyote Blog > Good News, Really

Believe it or not, I think this picture is actually good news:

[see article for graph]

This is a little flawed, since we would expect a constant trend to be a constant percent increase each year, which would be upward curving on this chart, not a straight line trend (it would be straight on a log scale). Never-the-less, it makes a point (by the way, it is interesting the 1980’s are considered the decade of greed on Wall Street rather than the 1990s, from this chart).

Here is a better way to make my point. We get a similar chart if we look at PE ratios for the S&P500 (the chart below is on trailing 10 year average earnings).

[see article for graph]

Why is this anything but depressing? Because I get the sense that many people, without any other general indicator of how bad things are in the financial markets, are using the steep drops in the stock market as a proxy measure. The stock market looks like a disaster, so everything else must be a disaster.

But in a large sense, at least so far, all the stock market has done in the last 2 weeks is return to historical norms. This tells me that there is nothing about the current level of the stock market that is screaming disaster signals. In fact, the current level of the stock market is screaming normalcy.

Of course, this does not mean the drop will stop here. PE’s in the worst of times have headed on down to 5 (which would be about DOW 3000, yuk). And corrections seldom stop at the mean - they usually over-correct on below the mean. But seen on these charts, this recent move looks more like the completion of the correction to the late 1990’s bubble rather than necessarily an indicator of current financial disaster.

670 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:55pm

7100 looks like it will stand for today at least.

Dems sold the American Dream to people who could not afford the payments, and now they want to impoverish us all.

671 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:10:08pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

Given your description why am I not surprised that your paid for the lunch?

672 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:10:14pm

OT, was catching up on the baby Gorilla thread and I see a late post #416 that suggests that the wee fella should be named after a certain POTUS. I suspect is was not meant in jest. May I suggest a clean up?

673 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:10:19pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I hope you find a really good guy.

674 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:14pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

He let you pay?

675 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:17pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

You should write a book about your dates. It would be a good read. Painful...yet entertaining in a painful sort of way....

676 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:26pm

re: #649 Ford_Prefect

I think we need some fresh air.

*looks around for an afternoon open thread

Did someone say fresh air?

Set up to price pollution out of existence, carbon trading is pricing it back in. Europe's carbon markets are in collapse.

Yet the hiss of escaping gas is almost inaudible. There's no big news headline, nothing sensational for TV viewers to watch; no queues outside banks or missing Texan showmen. You can't see or hear a market for a pollutant tumble. But at stake is what was supposed to be a central lever in the world's effort to turn back climate change. Intended to price fossil fuels out of the market, the system is instead turning them into the rational economic choice.

677 rightwinger3  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:30pm

re: #585 kansas

Plot the Dow since Jan 20th. When does O take the responsibility for this mess?

Yeah, that will happen.

678 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:33pm

re: #664 Afrocity

Did you know that he was an Obama supporter before you agreed to meet him?

679 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:48pm

re: #654 loppyd

*shakes head*
You could add our starter house, our current house and Mother Blonde's house and we wouldn't hit $800k! If I couldn't afford a house, Mr. Blonde, the Blonde kittehs and puppy and I would pile in an apartment! It would be hard but there it is!

When did this start?

680 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:51pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

You paid? Loser.

681 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:58pm

re: #629 Occasional Reader

Huh?

The only people winning against the cartels in Mexico are the Mexican military.

If Mexico continues to slide downhill, you will see American troops on the border at some point. There will be no other choice. Kidnapping as a cottage industry has spread from Mexico and is on the rise in Phoenix and El Paso.

682 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:07pm

re: #674 loppyd

He let you pay?

Was the the Gummi Bear tosser?

683 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:10pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.


Did you know this before the date?

684 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:12pm

re: #554 tackle

Just curious, has anyone here cashed in their 401K? Been considering it but don't like the tax hit.

I have heard that it is better to roll it into an IRA and then take just what you need. I'm not an investment adviser myself, so take that for what its worth.

685 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:22pm

re: #663 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe his was the bus 0bama threw everyone under. Extra pay for that.
/do I need to?

Did you see the kitchen with the high end cabinets and stainless appliances?

Makes me crazy.

686 So?  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:23pm

test

687 Empire1  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:34pm

re: #480 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

So, is it just me, or would you rather have Voldemort as President then BO?

After judicious consideration -- yes, I believe so.

688 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:44pm

re: #658 MJBrutus

When I see a drop of close to 200 so far today, I have to remind myself of how large that is. It's the equivalent of 400 points 6 months ago when the market was twice its current value.

Well, it might just be time to admit what is really happening.

689 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:44pm

re: #676 Leonidas Hoplite

Since methane contains carbon and farts contain methane get ready for them to tax your ass.

690 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:07pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

Hiya, {Afrocity}!
Sorry to hear about that lunch - perhaps you need to throw out some bait questions re PB0 when next you meet someone online, and ebfore you meet him for lunch?
Sorta like separating sheep from goats ...

691 Pupdawg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:10pm

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

Take what you have left and head to New Zealand...they're looking for new citizens.

692 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:14pm

re: #654 loppyd

Via Michelle Malkin Via Hot Air

Video: Bail me out, Obama!

Tell me how a bus driver thought she could afford an $800,000 house again?

OK, this video is going right in my special archives, along with Peggy Joseph, and the "We Not Rich" lady:

693 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:14pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

Did you know he was an Obama supporter before you met him?

694 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:16pm

re: #680 tackle

You paid? Loser.

That's rough tackle. Sometimes it's worth it to pay and go home.

695 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:19pm

re: #679 Chicago Blonde

*shakes head*
You could add our starter house, our current house and Mother Blonde's house and we wouldn't hit $800k! If I couldn't afford a house, Mr. Blonde, the Blonde kittehs and puppy and I would pile in an apartment! It would be hard but there it is!

When did this start?

Community Reinvestment Act under Carter, strengthened by Clinton.

696 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:19pm

re: #684 Creeping Eruption

I have heard that it is better to roll it into an IRA and then take just what you need. I'm not an investment adviser myself, so take that for what its worth.

Thanks. I wonder if I could do that and still count in on last year's taxes (I haven't filed yet.) Got to call my accountant.

697 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:21pm

re: #664 Afrocity

Hey City! Four out of the five people I have spoken of, regarding the apparent "gayness" (NTTAWWT) of Mathis.

We've been pretty shocked.

698 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:22pm

re: #689 Ojoe

Does Biden get a hit for bloviating or is he exempt/spayshul?

699 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:25pm

re: #664 Afrocity

Should have made him pay the bill. He's the one that wants to redistribute the wealth.

700 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:31pm

re: #570 zombie

You do good work, Zombie. Your photo essays are eye-opening.
I really wish I had taken your advice (multiple warnings) about the Up Your Alley Fair page... Now that I've seen it, I can't unsee it.

You've helped me realize that the overall monster of politics is the Activist. Once someone becomes an activist, the truth takes a back seat to the cause (whatever it may be.)

Keep it up!

701 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:39pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.


I'm so sorry..How did you get talking about politics your first date?
You'll find a good guy..I know it..

702 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:44pm

re: #686 So?

test

Pop quiz? Seesh, I didn't study.

703 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:53pm

re: #665 Ben Hur

I think the Mex government is intentionally letting the situation get as bad as it can possibly get so that WE will pay for the helicopters, etc, training etc, to take on the cartels.

Just like in Colombia.

I think you believe too much in the ability of the Mexican government to control the situation. I doubt "let" is the operative verb here, any more than it was in Colombia.

704 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:03pm

re: #689 Ojoe

Since methane contains carbon and farts contain methane get ready for them to tax your ass.

They'll have to capture it for measurement. Human version undergoing trials.

705 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:26pm

re: #655 subsailor68

One other observation on the GRA proposals, get a load of this idea:

Analysts point to another disturbing part of the plan. With a GRA, workers could bequeath only half of their account balances to their heirs, unlike full balances from existing 401(k) and IRA accounts. For workers who die after retiring, they could bequeath just their own contributions plus the interest but minus any benefits received and minus the employer contributions.

706 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:26pm

re: #694 CyanSnowHawk

That's rough tackle. Sometimes it's worth it to pay and go home.

Sorry - should have been more specific. Afrocity was not the loser on this date :)

707 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:38pm

re: #666 Occasional Reader

Nope. Ya got me.


Breaking Away.

Father is used car salesman and takes his bike riding weird son on to work.

Car gets pushed back onto the lot, the father says, "No refunds" and his kid says that if you gave your word, you have to take the car back.

The next scene is the father in bed with a doctor sitting over him and he wakes up saying over and over, Refund!?! Refund>!>!

Some funny sh*t.

708 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:39pm

re: #704 jcm

I don't think I want to click on that ...

709 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:53pm

re: #699 joncelli

Should have made him pay the bill. He's the one that wants to redistribute the wealth.

Remember, they only want to redistribute other people's wealth.

710 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:54pm

re: #678 Ford_Prefect

Did you know that he was an Obama supporter before you agreed to meet him?

No. Our match percentage was 76% which is good. During the date he said he was self employed but had not had any work come through. So I figured do my part for the economy and pay...
He said America owed him an education.

711 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:04pm

re: #664 Afrocity

*wishing she could share her Almond Roca through the computer*
I'm sorry.

712 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:07pm

I just heard on the radio that Obama is now going to attempt a "Pay as we go" fiscal plan? More mental gymnastics and rhetorical deception.

How is that possible after singing into LAW a $800-Billion dollar pork bill?

What a pant load.

713 brookly red  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:10pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

Well, your probably paying for a lot more than his lunch...

714 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:39pm

re: #692 gmsc

OK, this video is going right in my special archives, along with Peggy Joseph, and the "We Not Rich" lady:


I had never heard the whole "We not rich" clip! I had no idea it was over her massive SUV being repossessed.

715 nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:42pm

re: #701 HoosierHoops

I'm so sorry..How did you get talking about politics your first date?
You'll find a good guy..I know it..

Yeah, every woman deserves to. Every time my wife swears she is gonna meet one eventually, I wish her good luck.

716 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:44pm

re: #705 subsailor68

One other observation on the GRA proposals, get a load of this idea:

Analysts point to another disturbing part of the plan. With a GRA, workers could bequeath only half of their account balances to their heirs, unlike full balances from existing 401(k) and IRA accounts. For workers who die after retiring, they could bequeath just their own contributions plus the interest but minus any benefits received and minus the employer contributions.

Complete confiscation of wealth.

717 onslow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:59pm

re: #504 zombie

I assume the market will rebound within your friend's lifetime. I also agree that selling now would be a mistake and would reduce his investable assets.

He might even consider reinvesting his dividends in currently cheap shares, anticipating a rise in share prices in the future.

That's my strategy.

(But I could be wrong.)

718 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:05pm

re: #714 loppyd

///But she neeeeeeeeeeeds an SUV...

719 cimom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:11pm

re: #546 yma o hyd
My daughter thinks her cat could beat up basement kitty. She's a very tough little cat who hasn't quite figured out that she's the smallest member of the household, and she'd be nasty if she hadn't been loved to death while she was growing up.

720 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:23pm

re: #708 Ojoe

I don't think I want to click on that ...

It's the article about capturing methane from cows. Cow has a huge pink plastic bag on it back.

721 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:29pm

re: #707 Ben Hur

GREAT MOVIE... Dennis Quaid, what twenty years old?

And I still think Mooch looks like Steve Nash.

722 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:37pm

re: #712 FrogMarch

I just heard on the radio that Obama is now going to attempt a "Pay as we go" fiscal plan? More mental gymnastics and rhetorical deception.

How is that possible after singing into LAW a $800-Billion dollar pork bill?

What a pant load.

You must have forgotten to look up what that means on your liberal decoder ring. PAYGO never means spend less, it means we have to raise your taxes!

723 Irenike  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:38pm

re: #664 Afrocity

Why did you have to pay for lunch? Why didn't he pay for it? Unless, of course, you just wanted to get out of there as fast as possible . . .

724 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:53pm

re: #701 HoosierHoops

How did you get talking about politics your first date?

To Obamaniacs, talking about The One isn't really "talking about politics". It's more like... they just want to share their joyful, narcotically happy spiritual life with you.

725 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:03pm

re: #680 tackle

You paid? Loser.

That wasn't very nice.

There are lots of reasons to pay the check on a date. One of the most appealing, especially in a case like this, is that it's often the fastest way to get the hell out of there.

726 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:09pm

re: #718 Chicago Blonde

///But she neeeeeeeeeeeds an SUV...

and I think I heard her say she was only a couple thousand behind so what's the big deal?

727 Dragonwolf  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:40pm

re: #332 Occasional Reader

So, what's it like to work for Smith & Wesson?

I was guessing Jack Daniels

728 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:45pm

re: #725 Last Mohican

Obama supporter. Probably forgot his wallet anyway.

729 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:56pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

Ouch, talked to death and had to pay for the pleasure.

{Afrocity}

730 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:56pm

re: #725 Last Mohican

That wasn't very nice.

There are lots of reasons to pay the check on a date. One of the most appealing, especially in a case like this, is that it's often the fastest way to get the hell out of there.

Ug. Again, I'm sorry. It came out wrong. Was referring to the other guy.

731 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:59pm

re: #705 subsailor68

One other observation on the GRA proposals, get a load of this idea:

Analysts point to another disturbing part of the plan. With a GRA, workers could bequeath only half of their account balances to their heirs, unlike full balances from existing 401(k) and IRA accounts. For workers who die after retiring, they could bequeath just their own contributions plus the interest but minus any benefits received and minus the employer contributions.

At least they can still bequeath something ...
Here, people are forced to buy annuities after they're 75 - which pay out very badly now, and they cannot bequeath anything from that sum.

732 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:01pm

re: #710 Afrocity

OK. Let me get this straight. He is not a US citizen, but America owes him an education? What America 'owes him' is a swift kick in the *ss right back to where he came from.

What sight are you networking on anyway? Jerks 'R' Us?

733 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:02pm

re: #716 MandyManners

Complete confiscation of wealth.

That's my take too. Tank the market, confiscate 401(k)'s and IRA's. Put the money in a fund managed by the SSA. Borrow the money from SSA for additional "program" funding - replacing them with the ever-popular treasury bills (e.g. IOU's) and keep on truckin'.

Very bad.

734 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:05pm

re: #664 Afrocity

He made assumptions about you based on your race. That's insulting.

735 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:12pm

re: #725 Last Mohican

That wasn't very nice.

There are lots of reasons to pay the check on a date. One of the most appealing, especially in a case like this, is that it's often the fastest way to get the hell out of there.

The poster already apologized for the misunderstanding. He was referring to the "free lunch" date as the loser.

736 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:17pm

re: #710 Afrocity

He said America owed him an education.

I take back my original statement; you were right to do whatever it took to get away.

737 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:19pm
738 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:21pm

Charlie The Unicorn


739 Irenike  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:22pm

re: #712 FrogMarch

I just heard on the radio that Obama is now going to attempt a "Pay as we go" fiscal plan? More mental gymnastics and rhetorical deception.

Isn't this exactly the kind of monkey business Matoff got arrested for? Seriously. I don't see the difference. It's a crime either way.

740 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:34pm

re: #725 Last Mohican

That wasn't very nice.

There are lots of reasons to pay the check on a date. One of the most appealing, especially in a case like this, is that it's often the fastest way to get the hell out of there.

tackle explained the comment, pointing out that the guy that didn't pay was the loser.

741 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:42pm

re: #691 Pupdawg

Take what you have left and head to New Zealand...they're looking for new citizens.


Are we? We might be and I know we take in our "fair" share of some of the more less desireables. Certainly, now is the time to buy property and at reasonable prices combined with an exchange rate that gives 2 NZ$
for every $US

Job markets are getting shaky however, especially in the finance and services sectors. The rural sector is screaming out for farm managers down to hands.

742 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:54pm

re: #522 subsailor68

For all lizards concerned about what's happening in Mexico, just consider this:

Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone.

Lovely. Just freakin' lovely.

Suddenly I'm hoping my kid gets his mission call to Bogota rather than Mesa. Interesting times indeed.

743 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:14pm
744 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:17pm

re: #710 Afrocity

No. Our match percentage was 76% which is good. During the date he said he was self employed but had not had any work come through. So I figured do my part for the economy and pay...
He said America owed him an education.

Ewwww, keeps getting worse and worse. I feel for ya, big time.

745 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:24pm

re: #722 MJBrutus

You must have forgotten to look up what that means on your liberal decoder ring. PAYGO never means spend less, it means we have to raise your taxes!

Oh I know - that's why I said "What a pant load."

and raising taxes on those evil rich is such a great way to stimulate the economy!
////// the left's economic myopia

746 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:34pm

re: #731 yma o hyd

At least they can still bequeath something ...
Here, people are forced to buy annuities after they're 75 - which pay out very badly now, and they cannot bequeath anything from that sum.

Shh! yma, let's keep that between us. Don't want to give them any ideas.

;-)

747 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:35pm

re: #726 loppyd

We're going to be entitled to death, aren't we?

748 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:38pm

re: #652 Ben Hur

Refund?!?

Refund?!?

REfund?!?

/name that one!

Mr. Krabs?

749 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:44pm

re: #724 Occasional Reader

To Obamaniacs, talking about The One isn't really "talking about politics". It's more like... they just want to share their joyful, narcotically happy spiritual life with you.

Right, It was not a political conversation. I have a tote that says "shop local" so we talked about my support of mom and pop stores. he went on praising Obama and how fortunate my country is to have him. I did not agree. To me silence would have been a lie.

750 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:50pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

Sorry to hear it. Don't give up on our gender quite yet.

Regarding the online thing, don't a lot of date sites have you specify political leanings? If so, avoid the ones that self-identify as "liberal". Problem solved... or ameliorated, anyway.

751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:54pm

re: #738 Dustyvet

Mentioned him earlier.... heh.

752 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:56pm

re: #704 jcm

They'll have to capture it for measurement. Human version undergoing trials.

753 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:00pm

re: #730 tackle

Ug. Again, I'm sorry. It came out wrong. Was referring to the other guy.

Oops, didn't see the above explanation.

I'm sorry for my misunderstanding.

754 J.S.  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:05pm

re: #570 zombie

about investments, etc. (I'm not an expert by any means, but here are my thoughts)... If all of your money is tied up in stocks, then clearly, your portfolio is not diversified...that's not good.

There was a program on PBS a couple of months ago which discussed "Functional Asset Allocation Theory." (it's actually, in a way, connected to what the Talmud recommends).. So, imagine a bell curve (or a normal distribution). Now, on the left-hand side is when the economy is in recession (how do you protect yourself from deflation?), on the right-hand side is when the economy is in inflation (how do you protect yourself from inflation?), and the middle portion is when the economy is "just right" (prosperous times) ...The trick is to buffer yourself on all three flanks. Thus, the Talmud advises, invest 1/3 in land, invest 1/3 in a business, and have 1/3 stashed in reserves. With regard to the fellow who is tied up in the stock market, perhaps take some of it out (that's some, not all) and go to a more secure investment -- which would be U.S. treasury bonds...at least the return is guaranteed.

755 Logic  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:12pm

I think we're going below 5000 in 2009 - and then maybe even lower after that.

Scary times indeed.

756 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:29pm

re: #725 Last Mohican

That wasn't very nice.

There are lots of reasons to pay the check on a date. One of the most appealing, especially in a case like this, is that it's often the fastest way to get the hell out of there.


Tackle clariffied he was talking about the guy on the date..

757 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:53pm

re: #749 Afrocity

Right, It was not a political conversation. I have a tote that says "shop local" so we talked about my support of mom and pop stores. he went on praising Obama and how fortunate my country is to have him. I did not agree. To me silence would have been a lie.

Good for you.

758 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:55pm
759 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:58pm

re: #732 Ford_Prefect

Okay Cupid, E-harmony

760 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:58pm

re: #710 Afrocity

He said America owed him an education.

Good lord. Did he explain why?

761 PISSED  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:03pm

re: #752 MandyManners

Mandy I think they should put a HUGE one of those over the senate and house... tons of emissions there!

762 gmsc  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:10pm

re: #737 ploome hineni

no, which one?

I think he's talking about The Rip Van Winkle Caper.

763 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:12pm

re: #719 cimom

Aww - trust your daughter to know about basement cat!

Yep - upbringing, with lots of love and patience, is as important for our pets as it is for our children.
Did I say that thats one very beautiful kitteh?

764 Salem  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:15pm

Well, I've had to give up on Rush. He's clearly hitched his wagon to the Jindal train. You just screwed the pooch, Rush.

765 jordash1212  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:16pm

Anyone know why when I try to join the 'lounge' I get the message 'Disconnected' before I even join. I've tried on I.E., Firefox, and Opera all getting the same error.

766 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:32pm

re: #749 Afrocity

Right, It was not a political conversation. I have a tote that says "shop local" so we talked about my support of mom and pop stores. he went on praising Obama and how fortunate my country is to have him. I did not agree. To me silence would have been a lie.

Glad you stuck up for your principles.

767 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:51pm
768 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:57pm

re: #664 Afrocity

I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.

I feel for you. Stories like this make me so happy to be married.

769 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:05pm

re: #720 jcm

It's the article about capturing methane from cows. Cow has a huge pink plastic bag on it back.


The methane atually comes more from the belching than the other end.

770 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:08pm

re: #749 Afrocity

I've date Democrats (I'm in NYC) who were very pleasant. If they're committed ideologues for whom politics is really important, it doesn't bode well for the relationship.

771 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:29pm

Do not question The One!

“If we agree on 90 percent of this stuff, and we're spending all our time on television arguing about 1, 2, 3 percent of the spending in this thing … that starts sounding more like politics,” Obama said, adding: “There's going to be ample time for campaigns down the road.”


I disagree with it 100%
It is politics, that where you argue about this stuff.
You were elected President, not Captain of the Enterprise. Just because you say "Make it so!" and wave your hand doesn't mead diddly squat.

772 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:39pm

re: #629 Occasional Reader

Huh?

If the Mexican border becomes too violent and we continue to have incursions we may have to put more troops on the border. Even before we head that direction we will have to deal with that mess one way or another. Of course the current administration will welcome our harmless fuzzy and warm neighbors to march right in and set up housekeeping. We already have a growing gang problem in the rural and suburban counties north of Atlanta. Two guesses who they are and the first one doesn't count.

773 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #733 subsailor68

That's my take too. Tank the market, confiscate 401(k)'s and IRA's. Put the money in a fund managed by the SSA. Borrow the money from SSA for additional "program" funding - replacing them with the ever-popular treasury bills (e.g. IOU's) and keep on truckin'.

Very bad.

I hope everyone who refused to vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

774 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:49pm

re: #764 Salem

Well, I've had to give up on Rush. He's clearly hitched his wagon to the Jindal train. You just screwed the pooch, Rush.

Really? Maybe I don't listen to Rush enough, but he doesn't strike me as a hardcore social conservative. Interesting.

775 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:00pm
776 Pupdawg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:04pm

re: #24 Ward Cleaver

So what will the MSM blame it on today? They've steadfastly avoided blaming any of the fall on Obama's actions.

The old MSM tried and true 'failed policies of Bush' would be my first guess 'cause you know who can never be you know what or called out on any feasance mal or otherwise...to ever do so would be what some are calling any and all criticism of the stimulus bill....racially motivated...Americans, cowards one and all!

777 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:30pm

re: #758 Wendya

You're going to get that deleted because I got deleted. If it was for language, I apologize.

778 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:31pm

re: #759 Afrocity

Okay Cupid, E-harmony

I've always suspected that E-Harmony's supposed "system" was a load of cowflops.

779 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:37pm

re: #760 Occasional Reader

Good lord. Did he explain why?

Well because American has the resources to provide an education to all. This is my fault because he said during the conversation physical year when he meant "fiscal year" and I corrected him. So he said I have not been afforded your education.

780 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:42pm

re: #755 Logic

I think we're going below 5000 in 2009 - and then maybe even lower after that.

Scary times indeed.

I think we'll see 5000 too, but not this year. Pumping trillions in to the economy will keep it breathing while the money is flowing. The worst times will come the morning after the big bucks are no longer providing artificial life support.

781 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:49pm
782 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:11pm
783 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:13pm
784 nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:24pm

U.S. plans to pledge $900 million for Gaza'

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

The Idiocy of this is almost unexplainable.

"The money will be channeled through UN"---And that's suppose to make me feel better?

785 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:24pm
786 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:27pm

re: #769 A Kiwi Infidel

The methane atually comes more from the belching than the other end.


Just bag the whole cow - no more methane emissions - problem solved.

/moonbat global warming cooling change scientist

787 latingent  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:30pm

Buy tangible gold (coins that represent weight only, as numismatic value will go out the window very soon) silver (bars and coin), ammo, non perishable food, storable water and an RV. The fan is spinning and Barry has his butt pointed right at it.

788 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:35pm

re: #759 Afrocity

Well, hang in there Afro. We aren't all bad.

789 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:41pm

re: #652 Ben Hur

Yo Hur!

790 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:55pm

re: #777 doppelganglander

You're going to get that deleted because I got deleted. If it was for language, I apologize.

Quite a cascade I am afraid

791 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:59pm

re: #779 Afrocity

Did he walk funny with the chip on his shoulder and all?

792 nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:04pm

Somebody is trying to make a statement I think?

793 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:05pm

re: #773 MandyManners

I hope everyone who refused to vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

That will never get old.

794 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:07pm

Whoa. DELETE DELETE DELETE

795 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:13pm

re: #773 MandyManners

I hope everyone who refused to vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

Don't look at me. I even campaigned for the guy....in the rain and the sleet and freezing cold. :~)

796 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:15pm

re: #754 J.S.

There's wisdom in the Talmud for sure (although I'm no expert). But I'm a little iffy on Treasury Bonds right now...given that someone (hmm...the taxpayers) end up covering the payments/interest. At some point, I think we need to get away from putting private capital into government "investments". Whether it's taxes, government bonds, whatever, it is money leaving the private sector - never to return.

(Just my take on it.)

797 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:15pm

uh oh - stinky has the stick out.

798 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:23pm

2 more deletions, and the market is down 7100.

NOT ME THIS TIME

799 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:27pm

I am sensing a disturbance in the force.

800 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:42pm

re: #779 Afrocity

Well because American has the resources to provide an education to all. This is my fault because he said during the conversation physical year when he meant "fiscal year" and I corrected him. So he said I have not been afforded your education.

What in the world? Does he think college degrees fall from trees?

801 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:59pm

re: #777 doppelganglander

You're going to get that deleted because I got deleted. If it was for language, I apologize.

The T-word is frowned upon by Stinky.

802 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:03pm

re: #773 MandyManners

Glad I can finally upding that...

803 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:19pm

re: #779 Afrocity

Well because American has the resources to provide an education to all. This is my fault because he said during the conversation physical year when he meant "fiscal year" and I corrected him. So he said I have not been afforded your education.

It's good of him to be so generous with other people's money.

And how terribly rude of you to show off your fancy education to him!

/

804 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:27pm

re: #746 subsailor68

Shh! yma, let's keep that between us. Don't want to give them any ideas.

;-)

I think PB0's 'advisers' are in close contact with Gord's NuLab regime anyway.
So far they've done just as Gord would have them do - and just as he's been doing since 1997.
Worked out so well for us ...

805 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:27pm

re: #773 MandyManners

I hope everyone who refused to vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.

Amen!

806 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:46pm

re: #786 DaddyG

Cow condom!

/Just let that image sink in for a while. Or, maybe not.

807 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:57pm

re: #801 CyanSnowHawk

The T-word is frowned upon by Stinky.

T-word?

*will he take the bait?*

;-P

808 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:58pm

re: #790 Creeping Eruption

Quite a cascade I am afraid

So I guess not everyone was offended, but if Stinky says no, there's no appeal.

But I will say, I'll bet Louis Berry's preschool teacher did not teach him you can't just grab other people's toys.

809 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:27:02pm

re: #791 Chicago Blonde

LOL. I should have known when his byline said:

Even tho I consider my self an atheist most of the time Im gone quote the bible if there are things that you want to know about me "Ask and you shall receive"

810 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:27:27pm

re: #765 jordash1212

Anyone know why when I try to join the 'lounge' I get the message 'Disconnected' before I even join. I've tried on I.E., Firefox, and Opera all getting the same error.

You might want to see if there is an update for java available. Most connection problems are due to java issues.

811 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:27:30pm

re: #798 smokefire

the market is down 7100

So it's at about zero?

/

812 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:27:56pm

re: #655 subsailor68

While the John Birch Society is not an org I have any affection for, this is true. It began with testimony:

"The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration."

Link

Not sure where it stands at this point.

Mark Levin had her on his show back in Late Nov I think.

They are very serious about this, no it's not on the hot plate right now... Just wait.

813 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:27:57pm

re: #710 Afrocity

No. Our match percentage was 76% which is good. During the date he said he was self employed but had not had any work come through. So I figured do my part for the economy and pay...
He said America owed him an education.

Sounds like a "Wait right here. I'm just going to run out to the car and get something to show you. - (And then don't come back.)" moment.

814 nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:01pm

With a half hour to go, what are the odds we break thru 7100?

815 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:05pm

re: #808 doppelganglander

So I guess not everyone was offended, but if Stinky says no, there's no appeal.

But I will say, I'll bet Louis Berry's preschool teacher did not teach him you can't just grab other people's toys.

Clean it up and repost.

816 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:11pm

re: #791 Chicago Blonde

Did he walk funny with the chip on his shoulder and all?

Walk This Way

817 Pupdawg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:18pm

re: #741 A Kiwi Infidel

Are we? We might be and I know we take in our "fair" share of some of the more less desireables. Certainly, now is the time to buy property and at reasonable prices combined with an exchange rate that gives 2 NZ$
for every $US

Job markets are getting shaky however, especially in the finance and services sectors. The rural sector is screaming out for farm managers down to hands.

What's the 'open arms' climate in Australia like these days?

BTW, dig the Kiwi Infidel name!

818 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:31pm

re: #801 CyanSnowHawk

The T-word is frowned upon by Stinky.

Hmm. I didn't see it before it got deleted. Hope I don't accidentally type it sometime.

819 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:31pm

I totally missed the cascading deletions. "T-word"... hmm. Tyrannosaurus? Transsexual? Transsexual Tyrannosaurus?

820 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:40pm
821 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:42pm

re: #807 jcm

T-word?

*will he take the bait?*

;-P

There's a bad word I don't know?

Holy cow.

822 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:45pm

re: #811 Occasional Reader

oops, no, all FUBARED again. Dow down TOO 7100

823 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:48pm

re: #779 Afrocity

Well because American has the resources to provide an education to all. This is my fault because he said during the conversation physical year when he meant "fiscal year" and I corrected him. So he said I have not been afforded your education.

Sometimes I just wish that all the "entitled" people in this country would just get together some day in a big room and come up with a list of what they think we "owe" them, with a dollar amount that would cover it all. I think it would be cheaper to just write a check (which would probably be less than the Porkulus bill) and send them on their way.

824 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:51pm

re: #799 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am sensing a disturbance in the force.

...like millions of 401k accounts were suddenly silenced.

825 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:54pm

Via JWF:

Sorry if this is a repeat from earlier today, but it's so great it's a worth a re-post!

Awesome! UConn Coach Jim Calhoun Goes Nuclear on Activist Reporter

826 zombie  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:58pm

re: #717 onslow

re: #754 J.S.

Thanks for the advice.

He does in fact have other assets besides the stock market stuff. One-third/one-third/one-third is already his structure, essentially.

827 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:00pm

re: #784 nevergiveup

U.S. plans to pledge $900 million for Gaza'

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

The Idiocy of this is almost unexplainable.

"The money will be channeled through UN"---And that's suppose to make me feel better?

I wrote to my rep, Tsongas, and my senators, John F*ing Kerry, and Teddy (I can swim) Kennedy, saying that Israel should be able to get compensation for terrorist attacks from all money given to the Paliterrorists.
I got back typical trying to please everyone responses from Tsongas and Kennedy; nothing from Kerry. Doesn't surprise me he's sucking up to Assad.

But I still think that is a good idea. Actually, I'd go further. The US gives NO money to the palis until they accept Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.
Then, we allow Israel to sue in US courts any entity with presence in the US that gives anything to the Palis, for all terrorist damages.
And this would include allowing Israel to sue the UN.

828 Salem  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:02pm

re: #774 tackle

Really? Maybe I don't listen to Rush enough, but he doesn't strike me as a hardcore social conservative. Interesting.

Well, he has a long time to wise up, I guess. But it's just too sad to hear him talking Jindal up as the shining hope of the party. Someone needs to ask him what happens to a presidential candidate that believes in exorcism. It would really be interesting to hear him address it. But I'm not tuning in to him for awhile.

829 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:11pm

re: #817 Pupdawg

What's the 'open arms' climate in Australia like these days?

BTW, dig the Kiwi Infidel name!

If you bring arms, they ain't open.

830 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:11pm

re: #814 nevergiveup

With a half hour to go, what are the odds we break thru 7100?

Probably not today. But one the "Biden as Stimulus Czar" sinks in.....

831 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:15pm

re: #819 Occasional Reader

I totally missed the cascading deletions. "T-word"... hmm. Tyrannosaurus? Transsexual? Transsexual Tyrannosaurus?

Are we that gullible? Does it show?

832 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:18pm

Wow. Down 230.
Free Fallin

833 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:19pm

re: #811 Occasional Reader

So it's at all about zero?

/


Fixed it for ya!

834 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:27pm

re: #809 Afrocity

....must...fight...rising...gorge....

835 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:32pm

re: #812 Harry Tuttle

Mark Levin had her on his show back in Late Nov I think.

They are very serious about this, no it's not on the hot plate right now... Just wait.

Thanks! Yeah, from what I looked for, it does seem to be sitting in the background just percolating away for now. But you're right - just wait.

836 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:36pm

re: #795 loppyd

Don't look at me. I even campaigned for the guy....in the rain and the sleet and freezing cold. :~)


and in Massachusetts no less.

837 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:40pm

re: #670 FurryOldGuyJeans

7100 looks like it will stand for today at least.

Dems sold the American Dream to people who could not afford the payments, and now they want to impoverish us all.

Got 30 minutes left, why so optimistic?

838 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:56pm

re: #827 Kosh's Shadow

Tsongas?
Teddy?

/checking for the T-word

839 Unakite  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:57pm

DOW down 237.83. Another 128 and the DOW will break 7000. I may be wrong, but I don't think this is the barrier that the "stimulus" was supposed to be breaking.

840 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:05pm

re: #795 loppyd
Absolutely!
Who would borrow money from companies named Freddie
an Fanny anyway!
Might well have named them Huey and Louie!
Or Tito...
Or..........etc........

841 J.S.  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:08pm

re: #796 subsailor68

Yes. You need something 100 percent "safe." Keeping something "in reserve" would be the equivalent of having food stored up in the pantry...(even money kept under a mattress wouldn't necessarily be "safe" if rampant inflation took place.)

842 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:21pm

re: #819 Occasional Reader

Tuke Tecca?

843 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:23pm

re: #808 doppelganglander

So I guess not everyone was offended, but if Stinky says no, there's no appeal.

But I will say, I'll bet Louis Berry's preschool teacher did not teach him you can't just grab other people's toys.

what happened?

844 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:27pm

re: #790 Creeping Eruption

Yeah, me too - and I have no idea why!

(Senior moment ...)

845 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:29pm

re: #822 smokefire

oops, no, all FUBARED again. Dow down TOO 7100


BOHICA!

846 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:34pm

re: #827 Kosh's Shadow

Are you on a special list? I swear I am.

847 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:35pm

re: #811 Occasional Reader

So it's at about zero?

/

Oh. We got us a smarty mouth here folks. What do we do with smarty mouths?

848 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:38pm

re: #814 nevergiveup

With a half hour to go, what are the odds we break thru 7100?

It was at 7142 moments ago. I'd say pretty good for that unless there's some bargain shopping to close the day.

849 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:40pm

re: #825 loppyd

LOPPAH!

850 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:45pm

re: #816 Ford_Prefect

Never gets old, does it?

851 SunshineGirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:00pm

What President Obama doesn't know-- because he doesn't read history-- is that a President's term in office is defined by how he handles the unexpected, and the unforeseen consequences. The market's meltdown is a defining moment for this President. His failure to lead, and his choice to remain in 'campaign' mode says more about him than he will ever admit.

852 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:07pm

re: #825 loppyd

Oh yes Loppy, this is all over the news in CT. Uconn sports boards, the papers, you name it it is on it.

853 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:07pm

re: #847 Peacekeeper

SUPER ATOMIC INTRANET WEDGIE!

854 Dragonwolf  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:15pm

re: #442 buzzsawmonkey

You realize, of course, that you are the first person who has actually been renewed on Carousel.

So his crystal is now clear?

855 gregg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:20pm

I just got back from Denny's where they are offering the "Octomom Special", where you get 14 eggs, no sausage and the guy at the next table picks up the check.

856 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:33pm

re: #836 Peacekeeper

and in Massachusetts no less.

I'm not a total idiot. It was in NH.

857 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:48pm

re: #838 OldLineTexan

Tsongas?
Teddy?

/checking for the T-word

LOL ...me too ...I always miss what is deleted ...

858 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:50pm

re: #849 WriterMom

LOPPAH!

{Mothaaah}

859 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:03pm

re: #827 Kosh's Shadow

Teddy (I can swim) Kennedy

OMG ROFL hahahahaha

860 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:06pm

re: #819 Occasional Reader

I totally missed the cascading deletions. "T-word"... hmm. Tyrannosaurus? Transsexual? Transsexual Tyrannosaurus?

A four letter euphemism for a woman's privates.

861 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:06pm
862 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:08pm

re: #825 loppyd

Via JWF:

Sorry if this is a repeat from earlier today, but it's so great it's a worth a re-post!

Awesome! UConn Coach Jim Calhoun Goes Nuclear on Activist Reporter

Well alright then! I graduated UConn in 96. Loved Calhoun.

863 babes  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:20pm

Schedule of Tea Party protests linky:

[Link: www.pjtv.com...]

Sorry if this is a repeat but don't have time to read all the comments.

864 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:29pm

re: #839 Unakite

DOW down 237.83. Another 128 and the DOW will break 7000. I may be wrong, but I don't think this is the barrier that the "stimulus" was supposed to be breaking.

Gosh... I hope someone tells Harry Reid. Just this morning he said things were started to turn around.

865 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:30pm

re: #845 Dustyvet

Inquiring minds want to know.................................

How's the kitty?

866 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:34pm

re: #846 loppyd

Are you on a special list? I swear I am.

I'm not sure what list the congresscritters have, but I think I'm on the Boston Globe's "delete any letters from this guy, we won't publish his pro-Israel letters" list. I don't even get confirmation any more that I submitted a letter to the editor.

867 Salem  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:35pm

re: #854 Dragonwolf

So his crystal is now clear?

No he was blown to smithereens and reborn.

868 samhein  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:37pm

You're right. It is true. It doesn't actually say all books in the bill, but what it does say is bad enough. Toys, clothes, it is unreal and obviously another "passed before thinking" (or maybe even reading) bill. It is even affecting people who craft things today for kids up to age 12.
If you're a crafter and you think or know people purchase your
product(s) for kids, you might want to check up on the "Consumer Protection Safety Improvement Act".

re: #7 Cato the Elder

OT, as usual.

Book Lovers' Alert:

The Nanny State goes mad and bans all children's books published before 1985.

Why?

Because they may contain miniscule and absolutely harmless traces of lead in the pigments.

Not. A. Joke.

869 cimom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:38pm

re: #763 yma o hyd
Thank you. She is cute. When she and her brother were kittens I was supposed to limit my exposure to them because of allergies. Then I thought that they ought to get a little bowl of milk every day, and after that both cats adopted me. It's good for kids to have pets to dote on.

870 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:40pm

Dow at 7168.68, down 197 and change.

/It's a rally!

871 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:45pm

re: #841 J.S.

Yes. You need something 100 percent "safe." Keeping something "in reserve" would be the equivalent of having food stored up in the pantry...(even money kept under a mattress wouldn't necessarily be "safe" if rampant inflation took place.)

I liked that part about something in reserve. That's such good advice. And I sure agree that cash (where I am right now) isn't safe if the Fed starts printing money 24/7.

Just not sure about anything right now. Sigh.

872 Ruebacca  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:02pm

re: #3 Kenneth

Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?

Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?

Canned Food and Ammo.

873 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:07pm

re: #828 Salem

Well, he has a long time to wise up, I guess. But it's just too sad to hear him talking Jindal up as the shining hope of the party. Someone needs to ask him what happens to a presidential candidate that believes in exorcism. It would really be interesting to hear him address it. But I'm not tuning in to him for awhile.

Speaking of a "disturbance in the force", what are the odds that this rift in the GOP will become permanent?

874 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:18pm

re: #855 gregg

I just got back from Denny's where they are offering the "Octomom Special", where you get 14 eggs, no sausage and the guy at the next table picks up the check.

Should've took my date there. "octomom with a side of baloney"

875 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:26pm

re: #857 JacksonTn

LOL ...me too ...I always miss what is deleted ...

One of seven words...... ?

876 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:34pm

re: #811 Occasional Reader

So it's at about zero?

/

BUY!

877 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:36pm

re: #860 CyanSnowHawk

A four letter euphemism for a woman's privates.

Crikey, I thought that was the "c" word.

I AM getting behind. Do I have to watch rap videos? How do I keep up?

878 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:38pm

re: #665 Ben Hur

Did you see that the Mexican chief of police quit his job due to threats of a police officer being murdered every 24 hours till he quit? The gangsters run that country.

879 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:41pm

re: #821 OldLineTexan


Holy cow.

Language. Sheesh. There are vegetarians here.

880 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:45pm

re: #856 loppyd

I'm not a total idiot. It was in NH.


Back to partial idiot status then.

881 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:51pm

re: #837 kansas

Got 30 minutes left, why so optimistic?

I was flat out wrong. I am not a prophet that is good at predicting the future, ok? ;)

882 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:15pm

re: #860 CyanSnowHawk

Ohhhh-tunt. LOL.

/hope that doesn't get deleted

883 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:16pm

re: #860 CyanSnowHawk

A four letter euphemism for a woman's privates.

Ah.

I always think of the "c" word as being the worst one for that. (In spite of it having rather deep historical roots; it's used by Chaucer, although in his usage it begins with a "q". Really.)

884 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:19pm

re: #865 smokefire

Inquiring minds want to know.................................

How's the kitty?


He's doing well, he hates his special diet, but he's much better. Thanks for asking...:)

885 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:28pm

re: #863 babes

Schedule of Tea Party protests linky:

[Link: www.pjtv.com...]

Sorry if this is a repeat but don't have time to read all the comments.

Is that a spinoff link somewhere? If not, you wanna do the honors?

886 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:32pm

re: #825 loppyd

Via JWF:

Sorry if this is a repeat from earlier today, but it's so great it's a worth a re-post!

Awesome! UConn Coach Jim Calhoun Goes Nuclear on Activist Reporter

I had heard about that but hadn't seen it. Great!

887 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:34pm

re: #847 Peacekeeper

Oh. We got us a smarty mouth here folks. What do we do with smarty mouths?

Tie their shoe-laces to their desks.

888 Salem  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:37pm

re: #873 tackle

Speaking of a "disturbance in the force", what are the odds that this rift in the GOP will become permanent?

Got me.

889 Cheechako  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:01pm

re: #312 SixDegrees

That, or just run the government off the huge chunk of borrowed cash and eliminate Federal withholdings altogether for a quarter or two.

Ya wanna stimulate the economy? That would do it. A helluva a lot faster than the $17 a week I'll be getting as my cut of the trillion dollar "stimulus," which I'm just not finding very stimulating.


As I mentioned once before, that "$17 Tax Cut" is NOT a tax cut. It's just a readjustment of the With-holding Tables! Some tax payers will get a big surprise on April 15, 2010 when the find out they will owe more taxes because not enough was withheld from their pay!

890 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:01pm

re: #880 Peacekeeper

Back to partial idiot status then.

That's useful partial idiot to you, sir.

891 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:05pm

re: #870 joncelli

Dow at 7168.68, down 197 and change.

/It's a rally!

That will be the Hopey-Changey mantra, down slightly is GOOOD!

892 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:13pm

re: #828 Salem

Well, he has a long time to wise up, I guess. But it's just too sad to hear him talking Jindal up as the shining hope of the party. Someone needs to ask him what happens to a presidential candidate that believes in exorcism. It would really be interesting to hear him address it. But I'm not tuning in to him for awhile.


It's not just Jindal, Rush is also a big fan of Ben Stein and his movie.

893 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:13pm

re: #882 WriterMom

Ohhhh-tunt. LOL.

/hope that doesn't get deleted

GASP! You poisoned my fwagile widdle mind! /

894 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:14pm
895 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:36pm

re: #863 babes

Schedule of Tea Party protests linky:

[Link: www.pjtv.com...]

Sorry if this is a repeat but don't have time to read all the comments.

It cannot be posted enough.

896 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:41pm

re: #886 Ford_Prefect

I had heard about that but hadn't seen it. Great!

Welcome to class warfare 2009 style. Thanks Barry.

897 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:48pm

re: #859 WriterMom

..............return with me Mom, to the cartoon in National Lampoon, years ago.

Volkswagon ad. Remember the one which the beetle went into the water and floated.

The caption was If Teddy Kennedy was driving this car, he would be President today.

Never forgot that one

898 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:54pm

re: #869 cimom

Thank you. She is cute. When she and her brother were kittens I was supposed to limit my exposure to them because of allergies. Then I thought that they ought to get a little bowl of milk every day, and after that both cats adopted me. It's good for kids to have pets to dote on.

Definitely!
And I think its wise to have cats or dogs because a) parents can do the responsible stuff, and b) they do live longer than gerbils, hamsters or pet mice. Their demise always causes great heartbreaks.

899 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:36:03pm

re: #198 SixDegrees
I think the burning reality came through when he made it clear that he intends to try to pay for all this nonsense with more taxes.
Watch the $250K bench mark fall faster than the stock market.

900 Ruebacca  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:36:12pm

re: #864 Wendya

Gosh... I hope someone tells Harry Reid. Just this morning he said things were started to turn around.

ohh were done. Mr "this war is lost" has spoken.

901 babes  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:36:12pm

re: #885 Last Mohican

Is that a spinoff link somewhere? If not, you wanna do the honors?

Please feel free to go ahead and post this anywhere and as often as you want. That goes for any Lizard also.

902 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:36:20pm

re: #897 smokefire

I remember that thing!

903 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:36:22pm
904 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:36:54pm

re: #897 smokefire

..............return with me Mom, to the cartoon in National Lampoon, years ago.

Volkswagon ad. Remember the one which the beetle went into the water and floated.

The caption was If Teddy Kennedy was driving this car, he would be President today.

Never forgot that one

You mean this one?

905 Andopolis  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:07pm

headline: Barack Obama promises to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.


BHO: "Did I say deficit? Oops... I meant stock market"

906 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:10pm

re: #850 Chicago Blonde

Never gets old, does it?

Never.

907 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:13pm

re: #884 Dustyvet

better half and I were wondering.

Our Kitty sends his best wishes

908 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:28pm

re: #877 OldLineTexan

Crikey, I thought that was the "c" word.

I AM getting behind. Do I have to watch rap videos? How do I keep up?

That word would likely get you banned right quick, not just deleted.

909 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:49pm

re: #866 Kosh's Shadow

I'm not sure what list the congresscritters have, but I think I'm on the Boston Globe's "delete any letters from this guy, we won't publish his pro-Israel letters" list. I don't even get confirmation any more that I submitted a letter to the editor.

Oh it's going into a special file fo sho.

910 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:57pm

re: #703 Occasional Reader

I think you believe too much in the ability of the Mexican government to control the situation. I doubt "let" is the operative verb here, any more than it was in Colombia.

Good point.

Replace "let" with "don't give a sh*t".

911 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:57pm

re: #897 smokefire

Ga!

912 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:38:01pm
913 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:38:28pm

re: #905 Andopolis

headline: Barack Obama promises to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.

BHO: "Did I say deficit? Oops... I meant stock market"

Love it!

914 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:38:28pm

re: #889 Cheechako

As I mentioned once before, that "$17 Tax Cut" is NOT a tax cut. It's just a readjustment of the With-holding Tables! Some tax payers will get a big surprise on April 15, 2010 when the find out they will owe more taxes because not enough was withheld from their pay!

I HATE REFUND CHECKS! Why loan the feds money for the whole year and not get interest?

I try to tweak things so I owe under $1000 at tax time. I've been thrown off the last few years because of how foster kids and related expenses get tallied. It changes every damn year!

Last year two different sections had two different contradictory calculations. I took the one that was the most personally advantageous. And put a copy of the section I used in with my return.

915 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:38:44pm

re: #879 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Language. Sheesh. There are vegetarians here.

The biggest bunch of vegetarians I know of have holy cows.

So NYAH.

/

916 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:06pm
917 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:08pm

re: #914 jcm

I'm with you. Refunds means you have given the government an interest-free loan.

918 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:13pm

re: #835 subsailor68

Thanks! Yeah, from what I looked for, it does seem to be sitting in the background just percolating away for now. But you're right - just wait.

I still have the clip handy, I could upload it somewhere if people want to hear it. Mark does let her have it pretty good.

919 Buffoon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:23pm

There's almost a strange beauty to starting this whole thing off broke in the first place... now for the rest of the republic, I weep....

920 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:31pm

re: #801 CyanSnowHawk

The T-word is frowned upon by Stinky.

T-word? Can't think of one. I know you probably can't answer. Just scratching my head at all the deletions......

921 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:41pm

Gen. Barry McCaffrey, was in Mexico not long ago, and this is what he found:

The outgunned Mexican law enforcement authorities face armed criminal attacks from platoon-sized units employing night vision goggles, electronic intercept collection, encrypted communications, fairly sophisticated information operations, sea-going submersibles, helicopters and modern transport aviation, automatic weapons, RPG’s, Anti-Tank 66 mm rockets, mines and booby traps, heavy machine guns, 50 [caliber] sniper rifles, massive use of military hand grenades, and the most modern models of 40mm grenade machine guns.

These are the weapons the drug gangs are now turning against the Mexican government as Calderón escalates the war against the cartels.

922 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:43pm

re: #910 Ben Hur

You're so, like, polite and stuff. Using *stars*.

923 Salem  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:45pm

re: #892 wrenchwench

It's not just Jindal, Rush is also a big fan of Ben Stein and his movie.

Aw, really? I missed that.

924 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:47pm

re: #904 loppyd

Memories, thank you Loppy.

Was in your neighborhood over weekend.
Antique show in Holliston, Ma.

925 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:49pm

re: #905 Andopolis

headline: Barack Obama promises to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.

BHO: "Did I say deficit? Oops... I meant stock market"

To him any money in the stock market is a deficit. That is all money that should have gone to Washington.

926 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:59pm

OK, I have to nap.

Can someone please wake me up at 5:00? Thanks. :~)

927 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:06pm

re: #907 smokefire

better half and I were wondering.

Our Kitty sends his best wishes

Thanks, Tiger wants to know if your cats want to trade a nice bag of special diet for a few cans of Friskies?

928 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:19pm

The market has fallen so much that starting tomorrow the Standard and Poor's 500 will just be the Poor 500.


Wakka wakka!

929 rawmuse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:33pm

re: #504 zombie

It depends what stocks are in his portfolio. Some stocks will go all the down to zero and never come back. For instance B of A, Citigroup, possibly GM.

930 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:38pm

re: #910 Ben Hur

Good point.

Replace "let" with "don't give a sh*t".

Actually, I don't think that's true, either. Even the power elite in Mexico are threatened by this. They live like pampered prisoners; constant fear of kidnapping.

931 MrSoCal  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:38pm

Cash is king until inflation kicks in. The best stimulus is for oil to drop to $10.

Dow: 7,146.00 Down 219.67 (2.98%)
> Lowest point since 5/8/1997

932 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:40pm

re: #883 Occasional Reader

Ah.

I always think of the "c" word as being the worst one for that. (In spite of it having rather deep historical roots; it's used by Chaucer, although in his usage it begins with a "q". Really.)

Oh no, was Chaucer one of those idiots that think it's clever to spell America with a K or use caps EvErY oThEr letter?
/

933 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:41pm

re: #924 smokefire

Memories, thank you Loppy.

Was in your neighborhood over weekend.
Antique show in Holliston, Ma.

Where is Holliston?

Not my neighborhood! :~)

934 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #916 taxfreekiller

-207

WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO! A RALLY!

935 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:54pm

re: #926 loppyd

OK, I have to nap.

Can someone please wake me up at 5:00? Thanks. :~)

That reminds me. It is 5:00 somewhere! Gotta go. Later Lizards!

936 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:41:13pm

re: #899 VioletTiger

I think the burning reality came through when he made it clear that he intends to try to pay for all this nonsense with more taxes.
Watch the $250K bench mark fall faster than the stock market.

Oh my. Sounds like a trip to the urologist.

937 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:42:03pm

re: #936 OldLineTexan

Or the proctologist.

938 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:42:19pm

re: #864 Wendya

Gosh... I hope someone tells Harry Reid. Just this morning he said things were started to turn around.


And around and around and around. This happen when the economy goes in the toilet...

939 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:42:22pm

re: #932 CyanSnowHawk

Oh no, was Chaucer one of those idiots that think it's clever to spell America with a K or use caps EvErY oThEr letter?
/

He died in 1400.

940 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:42:40pm
941 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:42:42pm

re: #922 WriterMom

You're so, like, polite and stuff. Using *stars*.

And I just remembered the T word!

Yay! Brain cell just lost, not dead!

942 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:07pm

re: #932 CyanSnowHawk

Oh no, was Chaucer one of those idiots that think it's clever to spell America with a K or use caps EvErY oThEr letter?
/

His text messages were particularly annoying.

943 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:11pm

re: #937 WriterMom

Or the proctologist.

(Insert sound of snapping palstic gloves.)

944 babes  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:26pm

More information on the nationwide Tea Party Protests here:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

945 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:28pm

re: #943 Wyatt Earp

(Insert sound of snapping palstic gloves.)

"plastic" PIMF!

946 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:28pm

re: #909 loppyd

Oh it's going into a special file fo sho.

They have space reserved for me on the cattle cars?

947 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:29pm
948 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:34pm

re: #883 Occasional Reader

Ah.

I always think of the "c" word as being the worst one for that. (In spite of it having rather deep historical roots; it's used by Chaucer, although in his usage it begins with a "q". Really.)

I will NEVER forget my college freashman rhetoric T.A. reading us some Chauser (She wanted us to know that she could read Old English). Something about a woman stisking "er ole" out the window.

949 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:43pm

re: #937 WriterMom

Or the proctologist.

Heh. I already posted BOHICA earlier today, and I've seen it at least once in this thread.

Jokey: What's a proctoscope?

Answer: A 10-foot long ice cold aluminum tube with an asshole at both ends.

950 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:56pm

re: #927 Dustyvet

......sorry Tiger, you are out of luck. Chedda is also on a special diet, for his teeth.

951 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:44:08pm

re: #940 ploome hineni

No-they are in other lines of work.

952 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:44:16pm

sticking

953 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:44:19pm

re: #939 Wendya

He died in 1400.

I get the idea a lot of people are going to die around 6,000.

/

954 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:44:32pm
955 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:44:34pm

re: #946 Kosh's Shadow

They have space reserved for me on the cattle cars?

Don't even say that. Please.

956 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:44:54pm

re: #954 taxfreekiller

Now

-227

-230

957 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:45:13pm

re: #947 taxfreekiller

Open Borders.
Open Markets.
China loans.
Obama for leader.
Two Party Evil Money Cult.
John F. Kerry
Bill Clinton
Reid, Pelosi, Schummer, Wachman, Maxie Waters, ACOR, A.C.L.U.
ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/CNN/NYT

[Chorus]

We didn't start the fire
it was always burning since the world was turning...

-Billy Joel

958 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:45:24pm

re: #955 loppyd

Agreed-over the top.

959 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:45:44pm

Headline reads "Down tumbles to 11 year low on fear about banks". How about "Dow tumbles to 11 year low on fear of Obama/Biden."

960 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:45:47pm

Down -227, SPX -42, Compx -46.

SDS +6.03 on the day :)

961 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:01pm

There he goes again, DJing his way back to the 80s and early 90s. Gaaaaaaaaaa.

962 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:01pm

re: #956 loppyd

-230

Keep that man away from the damned television!

963 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:05pm

15 minutes to go. Does it hit 7100?

964 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:10pm

-223

965 hans ze beeman  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:15pm
966 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:17pm

re: #948 jamgarr

She wanted us to know that she could read Old English

Actually, Middle English. (Old English is almost entirely unreadable to a Modern English speaker.)

967 nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:38pm

Apparently there was a Prison Break in Mississippi? With the economy as it is, where were they going?

968 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:58pm

re: #939 Wendya

He died in 1400.

So? He had access to an IBM Selectric.

/Dan Rather

969 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:59pm

re: #946 Kosh's Shadow

Appreciate your perspective--but not funny.

(do keep trying, though)

970 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:03pm

SPX -24 woops.

971 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:06pm

re: #955 loppyd

Don't even say that. Please.

OK.

I do wonder if my record of support for Israel made a difference when I was rejected for a job that would have required a security clearance. However, I hadn't sent the letters to the politicians yet, just the Globe, and at least one of those was published.
(It was just after Sharon was elected, and people were calling him a "terrorist". I pointed out how people also called Arafat a terrorist.)

972 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:09pm

re: #966 Occasional Reader

Actually, Middle English. (Old English is almost entirely unreadable to a Modern English speaker.)

Sure. Furniture polish is dark!

973 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:17pm

Dow now at 11 year low from MSNBC

974 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:26pm

re: #967 nevergiveup

Apparently there was a Prison Break in Mississippi? With the economy as it is, where were they going?

We have lizards down there. Hope everyone is safe.

975 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:30pm

re: #967 nevergiveup

Perhaps to take up cabinet posts in the new administration?

976 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:39pm

re: #931 MrSoCal

Price at the pump is inching up, at least on the East Coast. So, no good news there either.

977 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:40pm

re: #962 Wyatt Earp

Keep that man away from the damned television!

And the windows.

978 callahan23  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:44pm

re: #965 hans ze beeman

Yes we can - we too

What's the EU doin' between is legs?

979 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:50pm

re: #961 WriterMom

There he goes again, DJing his way back to the 80s and early 90s. Gaaaaaaaaaa.

Anything for your very special bat mitvah. Mazel tov!

980 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:54pm

re: #966 Occasional Reader

Actually, Middle English. (Old English is almost entirely unreadable to a Modern English speaker.)

And Olde English malt Liquor is almost entirely undrinkable to the modern drinker.

981 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:55pm

re: #966 Occasional Reader

Actually, Middle English. (Old English is almost entirely unreadable to a Modern English speaker.)


I stand corrected - well, sit corrected

982 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:02pm

re: #959 kansas

And yet, the media is trying to sugarcoat it for the O. Did you see #476?

983 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:07pm

re: #963 subsailor68

15 minutes to go. Does it hit 7100?

soros is somewhere w/ a bottle of champagne.

984 wiffersnapper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:07pm

Change you can believe in! I BELIEVE the market will CHANGE for the worse tomorrow!

985 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:09pm

re: #967 nevergiveup

Apparently there was a Prison Break in Mississippi? With the economy as it is, where were they going?

My guess? ACORN.

986 nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:11pm

re: #975 WriterMom

Perhaps to take up cabinet posts in the new administration?

Good point.

987 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:20pm

re: #977 OldLineTexan

And the windows.


No, Obama can jump out the window.

988 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:23pm

re: #976 joncelli

Price at the pump is inching up, at least on the East Coast. So, no good news there either.

Highest price in the country is Alaska. Hmmmm?

989 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:24pm

re: #971 Kosh's Shadow

For sure it made a difference. If it was on the on-line version all they would have had to do was Google your name.

990 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:41pm

re: #978 callahan23

What's the EU doin' between is legs?

The ROPE, Jane! THE ROPE!

/

991 hans ze beeman  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:41pm

re: #978 callahan23

It's a carnival wagon, I'm not entirely sure of its meaning, but then everybody is partying here...

992 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:44pm

re: #966 Occasional Reader

Actually, Middle English. (Old English is almost entirely unreadable to a Modern English speaker.)


Is that what Bilbo speaks?

993 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:49pm

re: #961 WriterMom

belated hello MOM.

Your son was a very BAD BOY today.

Restored and contrite, and keeping his mouth shut, and his foot out of it.

994 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:54pm

re: #971 Kosh's Shadow

OK.

I do wonder if my record of support for Israel made a difference when I was rejected for a job that would have required a security clearance. However, I hadn't sent the letters to the politicians yet, just the Globe, and at least one of those was published.
(It was just after Sharon was elected, and people were calling him a "terrorist". I pointed out how people also called Arafat a terrorist.)

Depends on how detailed their search was. What year was Sharon elected? Were internet searches commonplace then?

995 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:05pm

re: #979 Occasional Reader

"Today, I am a woman".

Hahahahaha

996 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:20pm

re: #967 nevergiveup

Apparently there was a Prison Break in Mississippi? With the economy as it is, where were they going?

997 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:33pm

-234

998 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:35pm

re: #988 Walter L. Newton

Highest price in the country is Alaska. Hmmmm?

A large portion of gasoline pricing is refining and transportation.

999 hans ze beeman  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:40pm
1000 pat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:59pm

Maybe Obama can help by talking the economy and the country down again. It has had an effect so far. And begging the commmies to buy bonds was a brilliant stroke. closing offshore drilling and continental exploration of minerals and petroleum products was certainly useful. As was the talk of nationalization of the banks and auto industry. and raising taxes on businesses and wage earners! Wow. A totally original attack plan on a recession. These people are geniuses. I know because the MSM said so.

1001 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:07pm

re: #993 smokefire

You? My long lost son? I think I'm too young for that, daddy-o.

1002 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:09pm

re: #969 calcajun

Appreciate your perspective--but not funny.

(do keep trying, though)

Well, with seeing how the 0bama administration is going along with the Durban II anti-Israel and anti-Jew hatefest, I might be more cynical than usual.
And despite the State Dept protests, other sources say the US representatives did absolutely nothing; no protests when worse language was added.
I guess 0bama was listening to Rev. Wright say how bad Israel and the Jews are, after all.

1003 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:37pm

re: #939 Wendya

He died in 1400.

I know, but I couldn't think of an annoying spelling of a 15th Century country to use for my example.

Makes you wonder though, did some people find the colorful illuminations in manuscripts from that time to be the period equivalent of the annoying twists on styles we see today?

1004 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:40pm

re: #901 babes

Please feel free to go ahead and post this anywhere and as often as you want. That goes for any Lizard also.

Okay, I spun off a spinoff link. Here it is.

1005 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:42pm

re: #965 hans ze beeman

WHOA Hans-long time no see. Real life interfering with LGF time?

1006 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:48pm

re: #943 Wyatt Earp

(Insert sound of snapping palstic gloves.)

Moon River!

1007 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:00pm

re: #664 Afrocity

You might try getting involved with Scouting & there you may find someone with the "square" virtues: Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, reverent.

I'm just saying.

1008 callahan23  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:10pm

re: #990 OldLineTexan

The ROPE, Jane! THE ROPE!

/

Aaaayyyyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiiii

1009 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:12pm

Dow down 249. We will hit 7100 at this rate.

1010 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:23pm

re: #967 nevergiveup

Apparently there was a Prison Break in Mississippi? With the economy as it is, where were they going?

Obama's cabinet? The Justice Department? The FBI?
After all, in his administration, the best qualification for running a department seems to be breaking the laws it enforces.

1011 joncelli  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:28pm

re: #988 Walter L. Newton

The refineries are in the lower 48. We need new refineries NOW, but it ain't gonna happen under the messiah.

1012 nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:30pm

re: #1002 Kosh's Shadow

Well, with seeing how the 0bama administration is going along with the Durban II anti-Israel and anti-Jew hatefest, I might be more cynical than usual.
And despite the State Dept protests, other sources say the US representatives did absolutely nothing; no protests when worse language was added.
I guess 0bama was listening to Rev. Wright say how bad Israel and the Jews are, after all.

I hope all my Jewish Liberal Friends and Relatives are feeling the Love!

1013 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:37pm
1014 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:40pm

Smokefire is leaving the building, and completing his barbecuing of tonights dinner, keeping his mouth shut, and fingers off the keyboard.

1015 hans ze beeman  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:59pm

re: #980 Wyatt Earp

And then, you had to watch what was inside your drink; concernig Isaac Newton,

Born prematurely, he was a small child; his mother Hannah Ayscough reportedly said that he could have fit inside a quart mug.

1016 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:01pm

re: #1014 smokefire

And what are we cooking?

1017 nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:07pm

re: #1009 subsailor68

Dow down 249. We will hit 7100 at this rate.

Very appropriate coming from a subsailor?

1018 Peacekeeper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:17pm

The market's going down like Lewinsky.

1019 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:32pm

re: #1001 WriterMom

ok the son from another mother then, or how about the brother from another mother.

Shalom.

1020 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:39pm

re: #801 CyanSnowHawk

The T-word is frowned upon by Stinky.

Is that a synonym for the c-word?

/rayra's favorite

1021 Wendya  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:40pm

re: #968 jcm

So? He had access to an IBM Selectric.

/Dan Rather

Hey.... that's my 21x Great Grandfather you're talking about.....

1022 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:45pm

re: #994 loppyd

Depends on how detailed their search was. What year was Sharon elected? Were internet searches commonplace then?

It was several years ago, but the job was a few months ago. I got a different one quickly enough, though.

1023 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:45pm

7109 with 8 minutes to go.

1024 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:49pm

re: #1018 Peacekeeper

The market's going down like Lewinsky.

At least with Lewinsky somebody came back.

1025 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:57pm

re: #1007 Ojoe

You might try getting involved with Scouting & there you may find someone with the "square" virtues:

You want Afrocity to start hitting on Boy Scouts? Pervert!

/

1026 nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:05pm

6 points away

1027 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:09pm

re: #1018 Peacekeeper

The market's going down like Lewinsky.

ACK!

1028 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:11pm

re: #980 Wyatt Earp

And Olde English malt Liquor is almost entirely undrinkable to the modern drinker.

I'm sure hit byrigt swa scitte (That's the best I can do in OE, English profs go easy on me)

1029 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:26pm

re: #1015 hans ze beeman

My Irish grandma fit in a cigar box when she was brand new.

1030 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:29pm

re: #1023 subsailor68

7109 with 8 minutes to go.

Boy oh boy, Bush left Obama with a mess. I feel sorry for him.
/

1031 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:33pm

From Bloomberg:

U.S. Stocks Fall, Sending Market Below Lowest Close Since 1997


Feb. 23 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks fell, sending the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index below its lowest close in 12 years, as concern that the deepening recession will erode earnings offset the government’s pledge to give more capital to banks.

Hewlett-Packard Co. and Intel Corp. slid at least 4.6 percent as Morgan Stanley said technology stocks are the most vulnerable among economically sensitive industries. Nucor Corp. helped lead a decline in steelmakers after UBS AG said the group has increased output too quickly. Bank of America Corp. rose 9.5 percent and Citigroup Inc. climbed 19 percent as concern eased that the U.S. government will seize control of the lenders.

The S&P 500 lost 2.9 percent to 747.64 at 3:34 p.m. in New York, below its lowest close since April 1997. The six-day losing streak in the U.S. stock benchmark ranks as the longest since October. The Dow Jones Industrial Average decreased 207.48 points, or 2.8 percent, to 7,158.19, below its lowest close since October 1997. The Russell 2000 Index lost 3.1 percent

1032 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:43pm

BTW, shouldn't Europa be RIDING a BULL, not hanging on to the BULLSHIT?

1033 smokefire  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:44pm

re: #1016 Chicago Blonde

And what are we cooking?

Seasoned chicken breast. Get the cookbook, I have 4 recipes in there.

1034 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:48pm

re: #1021 Wendya

Hey.... that's my 21x Great Grandfather you're talking about.....

LOL!

1035 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:57pm

-255 with a dead cat bounce.

1036 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:59pm

I'm watching The Weather Channel 'cause I have as much control over the weather it as I do over the markets.

1037 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:02pm

-257

1038 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:02pm

re: #973 smokefire

Dow now at 11 year low from MSNBC

Oh great, now they're going to compare him to Clinton on his economic policies.

/Never mind that the general trend was up 11 years ago.

1039 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:09pm

re: #1033 smokefire

I think I need to now...

1040 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:13pm

re: #1029 Ojoe

My Irish grandma fit in a cigar box when she was brand new.

I got my whole family in some hourglasses.

1041 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:18pm

re: #1013 taxfreekiller

-265 will be about 7099
only 50% more to go down
the "O" hole way.

Dropping faster than Joan Rivers' face.

1042 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:19pm

re: #999 hans ze beeman

Another one (Ratzinger & Williamson)

Whenever I see your avatar, I want to make a zizzing sound, like a bee. Is that picture from some cartoon show, or...?

1043 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:33pm
1044 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:35pm

re: #1025 Occasional Reader

You want Afrocity to start hitting on Boy Scouts? Pervert!

/

/Runs for his old Eagle Scout uniform, straightens neckerchief

1045 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:36pm

re: #1032 OldLineTexan

BTW, shouldn't Europa be RIDING a BULL, not hanging on to the BULLSHIT?

It depends. Is that BS they're hanging on to shovel-ready?

1046 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:40pm

Is there any possibility that Obama/Biden will look at the market and think 'was it something we said?'/

1047 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:41pm

re: #1030 Walter L. Newton

Boy oh boy, Bush left Obama with a mess. I feel sorry for him.
/

Me too. Poor, poor man. How could Bush have done this to him. Sob.

////

1048 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:46pm

re: #1027 MandyManners

ACK!

That's what she said.

1049 hans ze beeman  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:49pm

re: #1005 WriterMom

Indeed, PhD thesis is drawing to its end. I'm trying to provide an overview of allowing creationism in the science classroom. Dos anyone have some literature on social life in Afghanistan in 2000? /kidding

Hope you are fine too!

1050 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:13pm

re: #1044 OldLineTexan

/Runs for his old Eagle Scout uniform, straightens neckerchief

Be Prepared.

1051 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:16pm

re: #1036 MandyManners

I'm watching The Weather Channel 'cause I have as much control over the weather it as I do over the markets.

I think the temperature will go back up to summer weather long before the stock market goes back up to the Bush levels.

1052 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:19pm

re: #1022 Kosh's Shadow

It was several years ago, but the job was a few months ago. I got a different one quickly enough, though.

Happy to hear it. I read CORI reports all the time....you wouldn't believe the stuff I see!

1053 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:23pm

re: #1018 Peacekeeper

The market's going down like Lewinsky.

Perhaps, but I don't forsee a happy ending.

1054 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:30pm

re: #1048 Ward Cleaver

That's what she said.

Duck.

1055 SixDegrees  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:32pm

re: #894 ploome hineni

I am afraid Nobama WANTS this meltdown, to make it easier to slip it in

slip in his steath agenda

Unfortunately, I'm beginning to doubt that there is a stealth agenda. Increasingly, it seems as though there isn't any agenda at all.

That's what's spooking the markets more than anything else - the stench of clueless incompetence emanating from the White House these days.

"The stimulus plan - it's got electrolytes!"

1056 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:39pm

re: #1040 Walter L. Newton

I got my whole family in some hourglasses.

so are the days of our lives ...

1057 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:44pm

re: #1031 loppyd

IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

/wait for it.

1058 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:50pm

re: #989 WriterMom

For sure it made a difference. If it was on the on-line version all they would have had to do was Google your name.


Good Afternoon Writermom...I had security clearance for 20 years working for the DOD.. Had lots of jewish friends, atheists, Catholics ect..If Kosh can't get clearance it's not because of his religion or political letters to the editor.
/Well unless the letter was wacked out and delutional..but they generally don't print those.

1059 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:59pm

re: #1044 OldLineTexan

/Runs for his old Eagle Scout uniform,

If it still fits, you're either doing something really, really right, or you're terribly, terribly ill.

1060 callahan23  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:00pm

re: #1032 OldLineTexan

BTW, shouldn't Europa be RIDING a BULL, not hanging on to the BULLSHIT?

The time that Europe rode a bull are long past, the return of the bear is well reported.

1061 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:03pm

re: #721 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

GREAT MOVIE... Dennis Quaid, what twenty years old?

And I still think Mooch looks like Steve Nash.


TOTALLY!

LOL!

1062 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:05pm

re: #1035 FurryOldGuyJeans

-255 with a dead cat bounce.

Rowr!

/thump

1063 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:06pm

re: #1053 MrSilverDragon

Perhaps, but I don't forsee a happy ending.

Me so horny!

1064 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:06pm

re: #1018 Peacekeeper

You are so gross.

I like it.

1065 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:14pm

re: #1002 Kosh's Shadow

Well, with seeing how the 0bama administration is going along with the Durban II anti-Israel and anti-Jew hatefest, I might be more cynical than usual.
And despite the State Dept protests, other sources say the US representatives did absolutely nothing; no protests when worse language was added.
I guess 0bama was listening to Rev. Wright say how bad Israel and the Jews are, after all.

I hope this douchnozzle is freaking happy now!

1066 loppyd  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:23pm

re: #1057 WriterMom

IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

/wait for it.

Natch. It's tediously predictable.

1067 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:31pm

re: #1054 Bloodnok

Duck.

RABBIT!

1068 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:49pm

re: #1020 Ward Cleaver

Is that a synonym for the c-word?

/rayra's favorite

Yes.

1069 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:57:13pm

re: #1052 loppyd

Happy to hear it. I read CORI reports all the time....you wouldn't believe the stuff I see!

I don't think letters to the editor go in CORI reports.

1070 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:57:17pm