As I write, the Dow index is down more than 140 points, and the INDP is approaching 7,000. The market does not seem to be responding very well to the massive spending bill signed by Barack Obama.
Here’s a thread to discuss…
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beblebrox Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:50:53am |
the world weirdest rollercoaster. it only goes down!
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Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:51:47am |
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:52:11am |
Pretty soon "absolute zero" is going to have so many different meanings...
Long hair & spaghetti do not mix.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:52:32am |
OT, as usual.
Book Lovers' Alert:
The Nanny State goes mad and bans all children's books published before 1985.
Why?
Because they may contain miniscule and absolutely harmless traces of lead in the pigments.
Not. A. Joke.
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gregg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:52:43am |
As taxpayers, we are paying $12.50 a share for Citi while it's trading on the open market at $2.20. Obama drives a hard bargain.
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:52:53am |
Not surprised. My mom called me this weekend and she's pulling out of the market. She'd rather take the tax hit now and salvage something rather than wait.
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JohnnyReb Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:53:00am |
According to Fox, the One is giving a speech at an economic summit right now. Expect more downward movement.
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ctrlL Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:53:19am |
We can thank our dear leader for this ...
Who was it that said the Presidency is not a good place to learn on the job? Was it Hillary or Biden?
He is even too arrogant (at the moment) to listen or learn.
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:53:39am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
It really doesn't matter if you aren't allowed keep it anyway.
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Raven1 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:53:43am |
Here in Massachusetts, Deval Patrick, our governor has a plan. To destroy capitalism.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:07am |
re: #8 gregg
As taxpayers, we are paying $12.50 a share for Citi while it's trading on the open market at $2.20. Obama drives a hard bargain.
Hard on us.
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kynna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:23am |
re: #1 beblebrox
the world weirdest rollercoaster. it only goes down!
And if it only goes down, it eventually ends up ... where?
Not. Liking. These. Interesting. Times.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:30am |
re: #15 Raven1
Here in Massachusetts, Deval Patrick, our governor has a plan. To destroy capitalism.
Lets reach for that.
Greetings from the North Shore!
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NYCHardhat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:31am |
Talk about evil. The Dems tanked the economy so they can gain power to destroy everything we love.
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Gella Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:41am |
MSM is making it worse then it is, its lights even higher flame
MSM is scaring everybody therefor market is going down at this moment
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ilzito guacamolito Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:45am |
re: #15 Raven1
Here in New Jersey, Jon Corzine, our governor has a plan. To destroy capitalism.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:54:59am |
What I don't understand, and I'm the first to admit I don't get all this economic stuff, is that these wall street types voted for Obama?
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midwestgak Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:55:06am |
Obama is sending mixed messages
With the U.S. government racing toward $10 trillion in spending and loan guarantees to confront the recession, President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.
Huh?
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:55:09am |
So what will the MSM blame it on today? They've steadfastly avoided blaming any of the fall on Obama's actions.
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Kragar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:55:21am |
Posted this last thread, but works better in a business free fall thread:
Well, I just found out our team lead, whom we had dubbed "Nowhere Man", since he routinely ducked calls, never responded to emails, never offered guidance and delegated all his duties to team members on top of their regular workload will be moving on to a new contract. Apparently, his entire stint on our team was simply to build his resume while he looked for greener pastures and he is leaving us with a shit sandwich to deal with since he wasn't passing information effectively.
YAY!
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:55:52am |
re: #23 midwestgak
Obama is sending mixed messages
With the U.S. government racing toward $10 trillion in spending and loan guarantees to confront the recession, President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.
Huh?
He means the defense budget.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:56:12am |
re: #23 midwestgak
Obama is sending mixed messages
With the U.S. government racing toward $10 trillion in spending and loan guarantees to confront the recession, President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.
Huh?
Don't worry, he'll kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:56:13am |
re: #20 Gella
MSM is making it worse then it is, its lights even higher flame
MSM is scaring everybody therefor market is going down at this moment
If you held stock that was about to be even further diluted or wiped out by the fed, would you sit on it?
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Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:56:18am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
I have the same question. I mentioned this a few days ago. The Porktacular is likely to cause high levels of inflation, I think, which usually means that the Fed will increase interest rates, and repeatedly buying short-term bonds (as in a mutual fund dedicated to that purpose) yields good returns. But I don't think the Fed would raise interest rates with the economy shrinking, right?
I'm not trying to offer advice, because I don't know. I'm just asking too.
Maybe there's a mutual fund that only buys stock in companies that contributed to the Obama campaign, and therefore will get paid off by the Porkapalooza.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:56:19am |
re: #23 midwestgak
Obama is sending mixed messages
With the U.S. government racing toward $10 trillion in spending and loan guarantees to confront the recession, President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.
Huh?
He's going to raise taxes and he's going to use the deficit he helped to create as an excuse to do it.
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dentate Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:56:56am |
Don't worry, Biden will fix it. He has shown impeccable insight and judgment in the past. Frontal lobes? He don't need no stinkin' frontal lobes!
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:03am |
Am I the only optimist here!
/
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Gella Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:06am |
re: #28 Wendya
If you held stock that was about to be even further diluted or wiped out by the fed, would you sit on it?
no, i would not, but MSM is one to blame also
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walter l. newton Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:09am |
re: #20 Gella
MSM is making it worse then it is, its lights even higher flame. MSM is scaring everybody therefor market is going down at this moment
No, it is bad. And if the MSM would report it honestly, it would be worst.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:20am |
re: #30 loppyd
He's going to raise taxes and he's going to use the deficit he helped to create as an excuse to do it.
OK. Anyone who is surprised by this raise your hands... Anyone...Anyone...
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Raven1 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:43am |
re: #18 loppyd
Hi loppyd. Greetings from central Mass! I feel like I'm being tag-teamed between Deval and Obama. It is painful.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:57:57am |
Bus companies across Canada saw dip in ridership after beheading in Manitoba
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Ya think?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:03am |
As I write, the Dow index is down more than 140 points
Remember the good, old days when this would have attracted nothing more than a moment's pause?
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Gella Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:07am |
re: #34 walter l. newton
No, it is bad. And if the MSM would report it honestly, it would be worst.
I know its bad, MSM is making it worse by scaring everybody, they are playing one way game
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Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:20am |
re: #30 loppyd
President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.
After signing the largest federal expenditure bill in history?
Well, it's certainly not time to clamp down on irony.
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gregg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:24am |
re: #16 Ford_Prefect
Hard on us.
Citi's market cap is around $10 billion and the government wants to convert $45 billion in preferred stock into 40% of Citi's common stock. If you didn't attend an Ivy league school, you wouldn't understand how the government is getting a good deal.
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Kailen Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:29am |
Come on, everybody knows that Obama voters live in opposite land. They are celebrating the wonderful stock market news today.
And they are celebrating the report on Gitmo leaked today, saying how rotten and horrible Gitmo was, and that all the criticism of Bush was justified: [Link: www.newsmax.com...]
It must be nice to be an Obama supporter and live in opposite world.
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beens21 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:30am |
I think Obama was asked the question at his news conference if the stock market would be a measure of success of the stimulus, he dodged it and said 'jobs created or saved ' would be the measure. I really believe that O thinks the stock market is a rich white man's gamble, and he is not concerned about it.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:58:42am |
Thanks Timmy and O-Bambi!
(I looked at my last quarterly satement, those &^%$#@!@!'s)
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Golem Akbar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:59:07am |
I don't want BHO to fail. I want the economy to get better. It is still possible, even under the socialist state that the ONE™ wants for us. Highly unlikely, but still possible.
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walter l. newton Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:59:25am |
re: #40 Gella
I know its bad, MSM is making it worse by scaring everybody, they are playing one way game
Example. Link.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:19am |
I'm getting clobbered but I have to ride it out...I have no other choices....this whole friggin thing is contrived which is what sets off a burning rage...it didnt need to happen...but it is the plan...
Step 1 wreck the economy
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Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:24am |
Weird narcissism north bulletin:
Iggy does Broadway
Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff posts his picture with Obama up in Times Square
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Golem Akbar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:24am |
re: #44 beens21
I think Obama was asked the question at his news conference if the stock market would be a measure of success of the stimulus, he dodged it and said 'jobs created or saved ' would be the measure. I really believe that O thinks the stock market is a rich white man's gamble, and he is not concerned about it.
I believe he knows better and is trying to spin his way out of answering to the media.
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Gella Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:24am |
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NYCHardhat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:26am |
re: #22 Nevergiveup
What I don't understand, and I'm the first to admit I don't get all this economic stuff, is that these wall street types voted for Obama?
Those Wall Street types have insider information that they can use accordingly.
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snowcrash Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:34am |
re: #18 loppyd
My BFF (lol) lives in Lynnfield MA and she froths at the mouth when anyone mentions Devals name. She wants him in a cabinet position ASAP.
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rawmuse Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:36am |
Gee, I am so glad I worked my ass off for the last 20 years and bought stocks.
This year, hookers and crack. /s
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kansas Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:00:59am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
Sealy
Simmons
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Russkilitlover Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:00am |
And class envy is back with a vengence with the Obama admin. It's sad to hear so many of my acquaintances, peers, friends, colleagues, all state that maybe bank nationalization is a GOOD thing, and that "Wall Street" deserves to be falling, and that the government helping out the losers...er...victims of mortgage mayhem is just peachy.
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:23am |
re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Posted this last thread, but works better in a business free fall thread:
Well, I just found out our team lead, whom we had dubbed "Nowhere Man", since he routinely ducked calls, never responded to emails, never offered guidance and delegated all his duties to team members on top of their regular workload will be moving on to a new contract. Apparently, his entire stint on our team was simply to build his resume while he looked for greener pastures and he is leaving us with a shit sandwich to deal with since he wasn't passing information effectively.
YAY!
i didn't know you were on Ear Leader's transition team....
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:30am |
re: #47 Golem Akbar
I don't want BHO to fail. I want the economy to get better. It is still possible, even under the socialist state that the ONE™ wants for us. Highly unlikely, but still possible.
It's also possible that my bulldog might suddenly start walking on his hind legs and opening doors for himself.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:42am |
re: #36 Ford_Prefect
OK. Anyone who is surprised by this raise your hands... Anyone...Anyone...
He told us (well, Joe) that he iis going to spread the wealth.
I think that when some people on the fence voted for him they had no idea of the dire straits they would find themselves in and now they can't afford this clown.
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simonml Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:48am |
Spend more! That's it!
"I have not yet begun to spend." - BHO
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:01:48am |
re: #53 NYCHardhat
Those Wall Street types have insider information that they can use accordingly.
What I mean is they are getting killed also. Why would they vote for Obama when nothing he said he'll do or is doing makes any sense?
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:02:06am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
I have no freakin' clue.
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Russkilitlover Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:02:21am |
re: #30 loppyd
He's going to raise taxes and he's going to use the deficit he helped to create as an excuse to do it.
That's been the plan all along. Not to mention exponential increase is folks dependent upon government largess.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:02:40am |
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walter l. newton Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:02:59am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
Goldfish!
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NYCHardhat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:06am |
re: #63 Nevergiveup
What I mean is they are getting killed also. Why would they vote for Obama when nothing he said he'll do or is doing makes any sense?
The floor guys are getting killed. The big boys did the killing.
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midwestgak Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:07am |
There's a reason gold is over $1000 an ounce. There is a reason investors are fleeing into government bonds. There's a reason the stock market is tanking.
It's because no one knows what these revolutionaries are going to do next. And it doesn't help when Harry Reid decides to call a spade a heart and plays down a government takeover at Citigroup as just looking out for taxpayer's interests - as if the trillions already spent show how much Democrats care about taxpayers.
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walter l. newton Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:23am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
Cowbell. Can never have enough cowbell.
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yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:30am |
re: #57 Russkilitlover
And class envy is back with a vengence with the Obama admin. It's sad to hear so many of my acquaintances, peers, friends, colleagues, all state that maybe bank nationalization is a GOOD thing, and that "Wall Street" deserves to be falling, and that the government helping out the losers...er...victims of mortgage mayhem is just peachy.
Wait until they're being told by PB0 that the "rich" - are they themselves ... and will be taxed accordingly.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:35am |
Food for thought:
• Last time the stock market had a January as bad as January 2009, Henry Ford was still marketing quadricycles!
• Doug Ross' graph, Lower Lows Despite High Hopes, is interesting.
• If the current worldwide financial crisis started in, and was caused by, the US, why does the US GDP show the smallest decline of all of the affected countries?
• If the problem with the current recession is a credit crunch, why is consumer lending stronger than in any of the past 9 recessions?
• Two good articles on the financial troubles of California and New York:
-What If New York Goes Bust?
-Death of the California Dream
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kansas Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:42am |
So my Eddie Jones broker sends me this prospectus. Says buy Caterpillar. Big fucking buy recommendations. At 33. So I look and its at 25. I guess it's really a "bargain" now.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:47am |
They just played a clip of Obama saying we will cut the deficit he inherited by half by 2012.
Really? The day Barry took office the deficit was at least $800 BILLION less than what it is now.
Such a liar.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:49am |
re: #58 taxfreekiller
Markets do not like uncertainty, and Obama is uncertainty.
As always, you have just hit the nail on the head.
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:03:50am |
The daily trends can drive you crazy, but it's significant IMHO that between 20 January and 23 February, the Dow dropped almost 728 points (about 9.2%). Since the inauguration, nothing that has been done/proposed by the incoming administration has succeeded in slowing this trend.
And I don't believe it's over - or even close to being over.
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:05am |
re: #58 taxfreekiller
Markets do not like uncertainty, and Obama is uncertainty.
I must disagree, this is pretty freakin certain.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:16am |
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:35am |
All the warnings about stimulus where about the "4 hours" thing.
I don't remember warnings about "shrinkage."
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:45am |
re: #65 Russkilitlover
That's been the plan all along. Not to mention exponential increase is folks dependent upon government largess.
Definitely. He wants to expand the welfare state so more and more people will have no choice but to depend on government.
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simonml Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:47am |
re: #55 rawmuse
Gee, I am so glad I worked my ass off for the last 20 years and bought stocks.
This year, hookers and crack. /s
There's a good return on hookers and crack. Usually burning urination aplenty
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:04:49am |
re: #47 Golem Akbar
I don't want BHO to fail. I want the economy to get better. It is still possible, even under the socialist state that the ONE™ wants for us. Highly unlikely, but still possible.
I do want BHO to fail in his attempt to ruin the economy and the country. Fail at turning the country into the Weimar Republic or changing the national anthem to "L'Internationale." I want the economy to get better. The right way. These are not mutually exclusive desires.
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redseeped Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:02am |
It is logical.
How do you elevate someones confidence in their future if after you defrauded the person and you are offering to bail him out by spending more of his now nonexisting financial reserves?
And by the way, I see no Dems or Repubs here, just plain ignorant, stupid, self-important and corrupt politicians at work.
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:11am |
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:11am |
re: #44 beens21
I think Obama was asked the question at his news conference if the stock market would be a measure of success of the stimulus, he dodged it and said 'jobs created or saved ' would be the measure. I really believe that O thinks the stock market is a rich white man's gamble, and he is not concerned about it.
And, he seems to have the curious disconnect between the market and employment.
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Kragar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:12am |
Here is my video to represent todays current stock market news:
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phoenixgirl Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:30am |
re: #82 jcm
All the warnings about stimulus where about the "4 hours" thing.
I don't remember warnings about "shrinkage."
roflmao
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:32am |
re: #82 jcm
All the warnings about stimulus where about the "4 hours" thing.
I don't remember warnings about "shrinkage."
Hey, the market is really cold!
/
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:37am |
re: #76 subsailor68
The daily trends can drive you crazy, but it's significant IMHO that between 20 January and 23 February, the Dow dropped almost 728 points (about 9.2%). Since the inauguration, nothing that has been done/proposed by the incoming administration has succeeded in slowing this trend.
And I don't believe it's over - or even close to being over.
It isn't close to being over
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:42am |
re: #61 loppyd
He told us (well, Joe) that he iis going to spread the wealth.
I think that when some people on the fence voted for him they had no idea of the dire straits they would find themselves in and now they can't afford this clown.
The problem is, he doesn't realize that people stop creating wealth when the government is just going to take it away.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:05:47am |
re: #66 Nevergiveup
Then you know more than Obama.
It would be hard to know less! And at least I know it!
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joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:07am |
re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Think of it as practice for the Obama years.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:19am |
re: #60 Wendya
It's also possible that my bulldog might suddenly start walking on his hind legs and opening doors for himself.
Yeah, just about as likely [maybe more].
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phoenixgirl Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:24am |
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:44am |
re: #13 redc1c4
the market is responding exactly as predicted.
Anybody here watch Death Note?
"Just...as...planned!"
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Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:45am |
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ddd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:47am |
the market realizes he is an incompetent idiot. The market is down over 25% since election day.
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:48am |
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:06:54am |
re: #54 snowcrash
My BFF (lol) lives in Lynnfield MA and she froths at the mouth when anyone mentions Devals name. She wants him in a cabinet position ASAP.
Lynnfield is lovely. I have been known to froth over Cadillac Devaly myself!
He is a radical, incompetent fool so he would fit right in with the O crowd.
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NYCHardhat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:08am |
We need this to fail and fail fast. The cancer of Obama needs aggressive chemotherapy. That is the only way.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:13am |
I'm in for the ride. I lost so much the last four months today's losses aren't going to make much difference. Selling now would just lock the loss.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:16am |
re: #96 Dianna
It would be hard to know less! And at least I know it!
A man ( or girl ) should always know their limitations!
The Bard of SF
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gregg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:21am |
re: #58 taxfreekiller
Markets do not like uncertainty, and Obama is uncertainty.
I beg to differ, I think the market is certain he is clueless.
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:21am |
re: #95 Kosh's Shadow
The problem is, he doesn't realize that people stop creating wealth when the government is just going to take it away.
Actually he knows it & he is counting on it.
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:24am |
C'mon, you know this is all happening because Bush cut taxes for the wealthy.
It's Wealthy's fault.
Bad Wealth.
Bad, naughty Wealth.
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:28am |
re: #103 ddd
the market realizes he is an incompetent idiot. The market is down over 25% since election day.
...Over 25 percent. Okay...ah...where's the news about this? Or are we blaming Bush for this?
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:29am |
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:40am |
re: #69 midwestgak
We just dumped a Citi bond for about half its face value.
That should tell you how much our investment advisor trusts the government.
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:41am |
re: #93 Leonidas Hoplite
It isn't close to being over
You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:46am |
re: #30 loppyd
And don't forget...
He's going to raise taxes, cut defense spending, and he's going to use the deficit he helped to create as an excuse to do it.
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:47am |
re: #107 Thanos
I'm in for the ride. I lost so much the last four months today's losses aren't going to make much difference. Selling now would just lock the loss.
Same here.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:51am |
When there is no more money, we will still have ink and paper. This is the reality of the Obama Economy.
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Bob Dillon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:07:59am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
Kenneth - all due respect, this is like phoning a Doctor and asking for a Rx without a hands on diagnosis.
I would suggest to you this tho - read "The Pirates of Manhattan" as a starter.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:07am |
re: #107 Thanos
I'm in for the ride. I lost so much the last four months today's losses aren't going to make much difference. Selling now would just lock the loss.
That's how I feel. And pass that bottle please.
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Kronocide Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:13am |
That Flopping Aces link to the Fox/ACORN video is awesome.
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:23am |
This would be a great time to raise taxes.
Then everybody would go out and buy products and stock.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:28am |
The market does not seem to be responding very well to the massive spending bill signed by Barack Obama.
Actually, it is responding very well to what the spending bill will do to the economy.
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:37am |
re: #82 jcm
All the warnings about stimulus where about the "4 hours" thing.
I don't remember warnings about "shrinkage."
i 'member Plugs telling us that Ear Leader would make a decision, and we'd have to trust that it was the right one, even though it might not seem like it at the time.
i think we're there.
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phoenixgirl Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:42am |
re: #120 Nevergiveup
That's how I feel. And pass that bottle please.
how low can it go?! how low can it go?! gulp!
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:08:47am |
Soviet industry is building more tractors.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:05am |
re: #117 scottishbuzzsaw
Same here.
My biggest investment is my former retirement fund.
Welcome to Wal-Mart! Would you like a bag for your umbrella?
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Kragar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:06am |
re: #101 davinvalkri
Anybody here watch Death Note?
"Just...as...planned!"
First movie was good, second wasn't that great.
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notutopia Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:14am |
re: #107 Thanos
I'm in for the ride. I lost so much the last four months today's losses aren't going to make much difference. Selling now would just lock the loss.
Same here Thanos.
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:16am |
re: #122 Ben Hur
This would be a great time to raise taxes.
Then everybody would go out and buy products and stock.
And expand their business and hire new employees!
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simonml Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:26am |
re: #115 subsailor68
You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)
Price is Right rules? $1
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capitalist piglet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:28am |
re: #122 Ben Hur
This would be a great time to raise taxes.
Then everybody would go out and buy products and stock.
Indeed. Higher taxes will be the cherry on top.
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kafir lover Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:37am |
re: #64 Dianna
Timing - The market will come back, but a friend of mine doing a Harvard MBA says they are not anticipating a real recovery for 2 years. He has also taken all of his family money out of the market entirely - since October. There will be plenty of bargains around - personally, I plan to save as much as I can for now, pay down debt and keep an ear to the ground for when to start buying.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:45am |
Update on the litigious Mr. Spencer from Javazen....
Changes to the Blog Roll
It (Spencer's legal threat-ed) contains the same IP address as captured by Wordpress from the original email message sent via the contact form on JZ:TOL, namely, 72.71.205.239. This increases my confidence that the original email message was indeed from Mr. Spencer.
....
He definitely should know better and if he has been “careless” then his refutation should be commensurate with the magnitude of his “carelessness.”
...
I find Mr. Spencer’s explanation, at least so far, less than adequate. And I do hope that changes.
....
Mr. Spencer has positioned himself as an expert in Islam and jihad. The content and message of his web site is under his control....I removed the link to Ann Coulter’s site as well for similar reasons. She is in control of the content and message of her web site.
....
But as I said before, the ends do not justify the means.I can assure my readers, if any other individuals with sites are currently linked on the JZ:TOL blog roll cross such a line, they, too, will be unlinked.
It's really odd that Spencer is going to threaten legal action over the blogroll of a blog that has pretty much stopped posting. I guess that's just how petty he has become. Javazen is also receiving angry emails from Spencer's supporters.
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phoenixgirl Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:53am |
re: #130 Wendya
And expand their business and hire new employees!
and give the fiscally irresponsible more money!/
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Golem Akbar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:09:54am |
re: #85 ArchangelMichael
I do want BHO to fail in his attempt to ruin the economy and the country. Fail at turning the country into the Weimar Republic or changing the national anthem to "L'Internationale." I want the economy to get better. The right way. These are not mutually exclusive desires.
As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:00am |
re: #37 Raven1
Hi loppyd. Greetings from central Mass! I feel like I'm being tag-teamed between Deval and Obama. It is painful.
You feel like that because YOU ARE!
Luckily, I work 5 miles to the NH border and plan to do weekly fill ups. I'll stock up on Twizzlers if Deval gets his candy tax.
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capitalist piglet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:15am |
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:19am |
re: #111 Ben Hur
C'mon, you know this is all happening because Bush cut taxes for the wealthy.
It's Wealthy's fault.
Bad Wealth.
Bad, naughty Wealth.
Send it to the Time-Out Chair.
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mep481@gmail.com Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:20am |
At least we know now that nobody can do anything to stop the drop-off.
If our savior can't do it, no one can!
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walter l. newton Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:22am |
re: #104 Oh no...Sand People!
Oh man! I busted up on that one!
Thanks
I'm going to take a nap. Long week ahead, "hell" week, our new show opens friday, late nights a coming until opening.
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:22am |
re: #115 subsailor68
You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)
all of us?
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calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:29am |
You, Sportsman's Guide is having a sale on surplus MRE's and freeze-dried food. Just thought I mention it to anyone thinking of heading for the hills.
No, it;s not the end of the world. Fin de sicle, maybe.
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:42am |
re: #122 Ben Hur
This would be a great time to raise taxes.
Then everybody would go out and buy products and stock.
Yes, because we all know there's no correlation between consumer purchases and money in pocket!
/sarc sarc sarc!
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NYCHardhat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:10:54am |
re: #137 Golem Akbar
As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.
Clinto had Gingrich. Obama has Pelosi. Nuff said.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:06am |
re: #116 Leonidas Hoplite
And don't forget...
How's he going to square that with his surge in Afghanistan that nobody is talking about? Will John Kerry scream about fighting a war on the cheap?
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Anon 1:50 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:12am |
Well, it's obvious, isn't it?
It MUST be RAAAAAAAACISM!
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Nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:13am |
There was the "New Deal" and the "Great Society". What is this boondoggle gonna be called?
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doppelganglander Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:14am |
re: #115 subsailor68
You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)
It wasn't me, but I'll second that motion.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:14am |
re: #144 calcajun
You, Sportsman's Guide is having a sale on surplus MRE's and freeze-dried food. Just thought I mention it to anyone thinking of heading for the hills.
No, it;s not the end of the world. Fin de sicle, maybe.
Let's leave frozen fish on a stick out of this!
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IslandLibertarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:20am |
DEMOCRATS LIED!
MY 401K DIED!
But we have an "elegant man President".
Sean Penn
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:24am |
re: #124 redc1c4
i 'member Plugs telling us that Ear Leader would make a decision, and we'd have to trust that it was the right one, even though it might not seem like it at the time.
i think we're there.
This the domestic crisis.
Wait for the international one.
How much does a bomb shelter cost these days?
///
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Shug Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:27am |
Those were the days.
Boy, the way Glenn Miller played. Songs that made the Hit Parade.
Guys like us, we had it made. Those were the days.
Didn't need no welfare state. Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.
And you know who you were then. Girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent. Those were the days.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:39am |
re: #150 Nevergiveup
There was the "New Deal" and the "Great Society". What is this boondoggle gonna be called?
BOHICA
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:42am |
I wrote Tom Udall here in NM imploring him to vote against the spending bill...I just got a reply outling all the pork for our state...he said the feds are not spending the money, WE ARE! and I should be happy....fucking moron
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gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:11:53am |
re: #118 Kreuzueber Halbmond
When there is no more money, we will still have ink and paper. This is the reality of the Obama Economy.
The new economy under 0bama:
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Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:09am |
re: #124 redc1c4
i 'member Plugs telling us that Ear Leader would make a decision, and we'd have to trust that it was the right one, even though it might not seem like it at the time.
i think we're there.
Biggest spending bill in history, nobody's allowed to read it before it's signed into law, nobody even really knows where the money is going, and it seems like a colossal mistake to most people in America. But we must trust that it's the right thing to do, because Obama has that whole tingly leg thing going on.
Okay, good plan.
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mep481@gmail.com Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:09am |
re: #115 subsailor68
You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)
we should be so lucky
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:14am |
re: #113 loppyd
Are you in MA?
No, I live in NY but vacation in the North Shore (Rockport/Gloucester) every summer. Good Harbor Beach is awesome.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:17am |
re: #146 NYCHardhat
Clinto had Gingrich. Obama has Pelosi. Nuff said.
I agree. It's really up to us. The opposition right needs to step up and bail out the country. The dems can't do by themselves.
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Bob Dillon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:18am |
re: #64 Dianna
I have no freakin' clue.
Watched Patton last night - reminded of the scene when he takes over his new command - trips over a GI sleeping in a hallway. "What are you doing down there." "Trying to get some sleep, sir." Well, lay back down and continue - you're the only SOB who knows what their doing around here."
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Kronocide Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:19am |
(eyes glazed over in trance)
"there is no Hope except for Change.
"There is no Change except for Hope.
There is no Hope except for Change.
Wealth is Greed.
Tax is Hope.
Obama is Change."
"There is no Hope except Change...."
(eyes glazed over in trance)
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:23am |
re: #60 Wendya
It's also possible that my bulldog might suddenly start walking on his hind legs and opening doors for himself.
I have poodles. They are far more likely to walk on their hind legs and start opening doors than the Minus Man (new name for the 0) is to actually fix the economy.
Unless you use "fix" in the same sense as it is used with dogs.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:27am |
re: #154 IslandLibertarian
DEMOCRATS LIED!
MY 401K DIED!
But we have an "elegant man President".
Sean Penn
Listening to Sean Penn is akin to washing doen a handful of Xanax with cheap tequila.
/bad fer yer brain-cells
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:31am |
When do they start blaming the Joos?re: #140 MandyManners
Send it to the Time-Out Chair.
LOL!
He sent it to the electric chair!
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JohnAdams Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:33am |
re: #144 calcajun
You, Sportsman's Guide is having a sale on surplus MRE's and freeze-dried food. Just thought I mention it to anyone thinking of heading for the hills.
No, it;s not the end of the world. Fin de sicle, maybe.
Where can I get the best deal on a Remington 780 shotgun?
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:35am |
re: #148 joncelli
The floor is 6000.
/If we're lucky.
I'm going to go one better and say 5500.
But hey, maybe I'll catch the rebound!
I just hope there is a rebound!
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NYCHardhat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:50am |
re: #150 Nevergiveup
There was the "New Deal" and the "Great Society". What is this boondoggle gonna be called?
One
Big
Ass
Mistake,
America
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calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:51am |
re: #150 Nevergiveup
There was the "New Deal" and the "Great Society". What is this boondoggle gonna be called?
USA--under new management.
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:56am |
re: #137 Golem Akbar
As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.
So do I. First, your point about the Chinese wanting free enterprise to work is a good one. Second, Putin warned Obama that socialism doesn't work.
How messed up are things when the Chinese and the Russians are trying to tell us something about the system that built this great country?
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yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:09am |
re: #112 davinvalkri
...Over 25 percent. Okay...ah...where's the news about this? Or are we blaming Bush for this?
Course we are, whaddaya think!
////
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phoenixgirl Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:16am |
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Lincolntf Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:16am |
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midwestgak Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:19am |
re: #114 Dianna
We just dumped a Citi bond for about half its face value.
That should tell you how much our investment advisor trusts the government.
Now, the Obama White House will appoint a new internal "stimulus czar" to the Obama White House, to oversee the Obama White House. All is well. All is well. Keep repeating: All is well.
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:23am |
We had Reaganomics, when will that start calling it Oconomics
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:39am |
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:46am |
re: #168 Ben Hur
When do they start blaming the Joos?
LOL!He sent it to the electric chair!
When do they start blaming the Joos?
/Was supposed to be at the bottom
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:13:55am |
re: #162 Leonidas Hoplite
No, I live in NY but vacation in the North Shore (Rockport/Gloucester) every summer. Good Harbor Beach is awesome.
Big waves at Good Harbor - and warm water.
I'm a Crane Beach girl....but we tend to be on the boat and just end up where we end up.
So I guess you've eaten at the Lobster Pool?
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calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:07am |
re: #169 JohnAdams
Where can I get the best deal on a Remington 780 shotgun?
I'd suggest your local firearm stores (unless you're in NYC) for consignment/used sales.
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Shug Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:08am |
Hi Ho Ho Ho
It's off to work I go
To pay the rent for those who can't
Hi ho. Hi Ho
| 184 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:13am |
re: #38 Nevergiveup
Bus companies across Canada saw dip in ridership after beheading in Manitoba
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Ya think?
"I'd like a seat in the non-beheading section, please."
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:14am |
re: #158 albusteve
I wrote Tom Udall here in NM imploring him to vote against the spending bill...I just got a reply outling all the pork for our state...he said the feds are not spending the money, WE ARE! and I should be happy....fucking moron
I received the same response and sent a blistering letter back in response to that.
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mep481@gmail.com Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:16am |
re: #168 Ben Hur
they already have. check it out.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:19am |
Looks like a lot of the stock-owning yuppies who thought Our Messiah-King was better than McCain in being able to fix the economy are less charitable now that O has come out of the moderate closet and said the best way to fix the problem is to "raise taxes on the rich".
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:20am |
re: #162 Leonidas Hoplite
No, I live in NY but vacation in the North Shore (Rockport/Gloucester) every summer. Good Harbor Beach is awesome.
i hope you can afford it this year.....
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:33am |
re: #177 midwestgak
Now, the Obama White House will appoint a new internal "stimulus czar" to the Obama White House, to oversee the Obama White House. All is well. All is well. Keep repeating: All is well.
Bill Clinton is wondering why he didn't think of that.
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Russkilitlover Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:35am |
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:36am |
re: #178 Peacekeeper
We had Reaganomics, when will that start calling it Oconomics
Loconomics, maybe.
Obustonomics?
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phoenixgirl Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:37am |
re: #80 phoenixgirl
thank you
president obamaoprah/
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:48am |
re: #180 Ben Hur
When do they start blaming the Joos?
/Was supposed to be at the bottom
When you have to use a wheelbarrow for the marks dollars it takes to buy a loaf of bread.
I am guessing by May.
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gonecamping Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:14:57am |
re: #74 loppyd
What the teleprompter should have read...
They just played a clip of Obama sayingwehe willcutmultiply the deficit he inherited byhalfa factor of 4 by 2012.Really? The day Barry took office the deficit was at least $800 BILLION less than what it is now.
Such a liar.
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:07am |
re: #186 mep481@gmail.com
they already have. check it out.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Saw that. That's Europe, so it's no surprise.
I meant the Obamacons.
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Benthoven Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:15am |
Slightly OT - LIZARDS IN LAS VEGAS ALERT - Help reverse our "contribution" to this mess - DUMP HARRY REID RALLY
Re: Dump Harry Rally Wednesday
Some people left our Thursday meeting early so they did not get all the information on the rally against Harry Reid.
Where: 333 S. Las Vegas Blvd (In front of Federal Bld)
When: Wednesday, Feb. 25th (This Wed.)
Time: Start 5:30-6:00 pm. (Getting there early might be smart because of parking)
End : 7pm
Bring: A sign and some water
Signs: "Dump Harry"; Harry, Sendrickson earchlight needs you; Send Harry Back to Searchlight, etc.
Look forward to seeing everyone there.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:21am |
It isn't so much the spending plan. It's the seeming utter lack of any real plan that has the markets spooked. The Administration has showcased an apparently endless stream of imbeciles who have no idea how the money will be spent, why spending money in some ways rather than others might help the economy, and who are generally clueless about the causes of the current predicament as well as about any possible solutions to it.
Uncertainty and incompetence are what is driving the markets lower.
The Chief's jet-setting campaign appearances around the country aren't helping, either. The time for platitudes uttered to high school audiences is long past over. It's time for specifics, and specifics - along with any sort of understanding - seem to be sorely lacking.
Worse: the general public has now had time to ponder the rushed-through spending package, and they don't like what they're seeing. So add a great big dollop of consumer pessimism on top of everything else, ensuring that people are going to clutch onto their 17 dollar a week "stimulus" rather than spend it, and you've got the beginnings of a long, dark hunker.
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Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:26am |
Is Harpo Productions (Oprah's company) publicly traded? I have a feeling it's going to ride out the economic catastrophe quite well.
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:29am |
re: #193 OldLineTexan
When you have to use a wheelbarrow for the
marksdollars it takes to buy a loaf of bread.I am guessing by May.
...let's hope it never gets there.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:35am |
re: #173 subsailor68
So do I. First, your point about the Chinese wanting free enterprise to work is a good one. Second, Putin warned Obama that socialism doesn't work.
How messed up are things when the Chinese and the Russians are trying to tell us something about the system that built this great country?
The world depends on the US economy to be robust and healthy. Funny thing about that. If anyone says the US isn't the greatest country, all they have to do is just relive the last 2+ years, since the dems took control of congress.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:39am |
re: #137 Golem Akbar
As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.
They wont though. Socialism has been obviously failing all around the world for decades but they still push for it. They want it... BAD and they don't care how many jobs are lost, fortunes are pissed away, or lives are ruined in the process. The average idiot on the street thinks the purpose of government is to "solve problems" so they don't mind it. And the obvious.... Democrats, lefties, socialists do not understand economics, PERIOD. They don't "get it." If they did, they wouldn't be socialists in the first place.
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Raven1 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:41am |
re: #138 loppyd
You must be near Plum Island. I love that place. Maybe I shouldn't say that, Cadillac Deval will increase the admission fee!
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rumcrook Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:41am |
the market is going down becuase it is made up of people who regardless of thier personal politics actually make the market. meaning they value the market and if they determine as a hive that its not worth it to own the market at these prices, it will continue to fall untill more market makers beleive it is a bargain again than not.
no amount of slick sweet talk from the zero will change that.
the market has decided obama is the socialist scammer that he hid from view during the election and it wont stop dropping until it has reached a market value that accounts for the lack of leadership he displays and the negative forces and effects of the socialistic, fascistic crap he has foisted on the country.
then it will be worth buying into but only for the long haul which could be 10-20 years to repair the damage.
of course the damage may never be repaired, groups like the aclu and acorn may have thier hooks to deeply inbeded to right the ship. not to mention unforseen forces yet to come down the pike from outside our nation. the market doesnt like to see displays of absolute weakness trotted out as a "strength" it knows thats a recipe for disaster.
and it knows the cloths the king is wearing.
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Kronocide Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:15:47am |
re: #154 IslandLibertarian
That's awesome bruddah Libertarian. Need some signs made up with that showing Obama with bloody fangs.
(not seriously, just satirizing crazy photos from Zombietime)
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midwestgak Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:02am |
re: #120 Nevergiveup
That's how I feel. And pass that bottle please.
Let me know if you want a glass.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:05am |
re: #185 Wendya
I received the same response and sent a blistering letter back in response to that.
I will when I calm down....I'm gonna have a stroke if this market doesn't flatten out soon
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Ulpianus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:10am |
When you consume two trillion dollars of what would have otherwise been private capital, the market is sure to be harmed.
I would caution, however, against a doom and gloom mentality. We are not fallen and we can make some gain by actively advocating for right principles. Also, as Charles has done here, we must not only advocate right principles, but oppose those who pretend to them, being actually their greatest enemy, the religious enthusiasts and white supremacists.
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mep481@gmail.com Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:16am |
re: #180 Ben Hur
When do they start blaming the Joos?
/Was supposed to be at the bottom
We are always being blamed for everything...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:17am |
re: #158 albusteve
I wrote Tom Udall here in NM imploring him to vote against the spending bill...I just got a reply outling all the pork for our state...he said the feds are not spending the money, WE ARE! and I should be happy....fucking moron
That's akin to John Kerry and John Edwards traveling by train and there was a college town who waited 8 hours. Some as long as 3 days to see them come by. They drove right on by.
When asked how they felt, "We waited all this time to see them and to hear them..."
Then when J.K. and J.E. were asked about it, "Though they didn't hear us...that's ok, we heard them!" Pretending to do a G.W. bullhorn moment...
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yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:19am |
re: #117 scottishbuzzsaw
Same here.
Hiya {scotti]!
Its the same on this side of the Big Pond - and I'm just glad that I still have a roof over my head, enought to eat and to feed Madame Dog, and no debts.
Savings, stocks and shares - ah well ... can't do nothing about them except hang in there.
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:42am |
re: #177 midwestgak
Now, the Obama White House will appoint a new internal "stimulus czar" to the Obama White House, to oversee the Obama White House. All is well. All is well. Keep repeating: All is in the well.
FTFY!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:45am |
re: #137 Golem Akbar
As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.
Clinton was shanghaied into doing so by Newt and a newly minted Republican majority that had yet to learn they could spend like drunken sailors. O has a kindred Socialist spirit in Pelosi and Reid.
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calvin coolidge Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:47am |
Barack has announced that Joe Biden will be in charge of overseeing the stimulus package. Putting Biden in charge would be like putting Travis the chimpanzee in charge of the party guests at your home.
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So? Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:16:54am |
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JohnAdams Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:05am |
re: #182 calcajun
I'd suggest your local firearm stores (unless you're in NYC) for consignment/used sales.
Thanks. I'm told you can swap out the barrel for various uses?
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mep481@gmail.com Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:24am |
re: #196 Ben Hur
Saw that. That's Europe, so it's no surprise.
I meant the Obamacons.
Europe is more into Obama than us Americans
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:32am |
re: #213 redc1c4
FTFY!
One, how many czars of _____ do you frikken need?
And two, what does FTFY mean?
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Wilderstad Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:35am |
Who is this moron Obama, and why is he in charge? /s
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:47am |
Of course this is all because bank executives make more money than you.
(I've realized The One's politics is not being for something, but against something.)
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:17:57am |
re: #203 Raven1
You must be near Plum Island. I love that place. Maybe I shouldn't say that, Cadillac Deval will increase the admission fee!
My office is about 2 miles from PI.
I hate to tell you this, but there isn't a lot of PI left to love....
Report: Erosion Could Claim 26 Plum Island Homes
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Mr. Sandman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:24am |
People always try to find ways to interpret "market" drops for whatever political purpose they invent. But I've seen market volatility for no good reason at all many times over the past few months. And now, fundamentally, the reason of the drop is more fallout from the initial crashes, and more likely than the "market" reacting negatively to the stimulus is something else that has happened over the last week or so-- a growing convergence of economists saying that a temporary nationalization of some of the mega-banks will be necessary (even though the Obama administration is suggesting they don't want to do this, the banks are realizing more and more that it will happen at some point). So this drop is most likely an artifact of shareholders at the larger banks, realizing that they would be wiped out in a temporary nationalization, therefore panicking and bailing out. But this all highlights that a temporary nationalization, for toxic clean-up purposes, will be good once it is done--indeed, it really is the only hope of surviving this crisis.
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calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:29am |
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simonml Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:32am |
re: #198 SixDegrees
IMO the best Stimulus plan would have been to suspend withholding Social Security Tax from everyone's paycheck for 8-12 weeks or longer. Its a good chunk of change.
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joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:33am |
re: #207 midwestgak
I think most everybody will be swigging from the bottle before 2012 is over.
/Not me, but most everybody.
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mep481@gmail.com Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:47am |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:48am |
re: #137 Golem Akbar
As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.
Obama recognizes only one Epiphany - it's 12 days after his birth.
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:18:57am |
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:05am |
re: #112 davinvalkri
Well you can certainly bet that Obama is gonna blame Bush for this.
But sometimes facts get in the way of the Obama's message: The Community Reinvestment Act, as revised by Clinton and The Dems, punished banks for not making mortgage loans to people with no credit history or a bad credit history. Thus was created the SubPrime Mortgage.
Wall Street Investment "Banks" like Lehman, Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch saw an opportunity - buy Billions of dollars worth of these SubPrime Mortages, put them in a pool and then issue bonds at low rates because those bonds were "securitized" by those pools of mortgages. Then Fannie and Freddie got into the act with reducing "normal" requirements for down payments and a lot of folks were buying houses with 100% financing - no equity in the home that they purchased at all.
Then, either because of the buyer's greed (I HAVE to have a 3,000 sq ft. house and I HAVE to have granite countertops and I HAVE to have all stainless steel appliances) or Seller's greed (I want to make every penny I can off this house when I sell it) and the mortgage brokers and the realestate brokers actually helping people to buy and finance houses when those brokers KNEW that the buyers' wouldn't be able to afford the mortgage, real estate taxes, utilities FOOD and all, without MAJOR changes in their lifestyles and now WE'RE stuck paying off their mortgages as well as our own.
If Republicans can EVER get their message out over the MSM cover that Obama has, folks will realize what's happened here.
And then Buyer's (or Voters) Remorse will set in.
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:12am |
re: #182 calcajun
I'd suggest your local firearm stores (unless you're in NYC) for consignment/used sales.
and if you happen to be in NYC, there is a guy on Fulton st. that will take food stamps/
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:29am |
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Golem Akbar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:32am |
re: #202 ArchangelMichael
They wont though. Socialism has been obviously failing all around the world for decades but they still push for it. They want it... BAD and they don't care how many jobs are lost, fortunes are pissed away, or lives are ruined in the process. The average idiot on the street thinks the purpose of government is to "solve problems" so they don't mind it. And the obvious.... Democrats, lefties, socialists do not understand economics, PERIOD. They don't "get it." If they did, they wouldn't be socialists in the first place.
Which means the Republicans need to stage a counter-movement that will attract the disaffected (growing in numbers) of the Americans. I like Mitt Romney as the leader, but there are others..and are non-creationist, too. Gingrich did the job under Clinton, remember?
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:35am |
re: #220 davinvalkri
One, how many czars of _____ do you frikken need?
And two, what does FTFY mean?
I dunno, but it just bothers me that in our country, anyone would be named "czar" of anything. It just seems so inappropriate.
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:37am |
re: #223 loppyd
My office is about 2 miles from PI.
I hate to tell you this, but there isn't a lot of PI left to love....
Report: Erosion Could Claim 26 Plum Island Homes
Do they have a view, Clareace?
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wrenchwench Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:39am |
re: #158 albusteve
I wrote Tom Udall here in NM imploring him to vote against the spending bill...I just got a reply outling all the pork for our state...he said the feds are not spending the money, WE ARE! and I should be happy....fucking moron
I got my reply today too. He did not read what we wrote, did he?
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Sheepdogess Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:41am |
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:49am |
re: #184 Ward Cleaver
"I'd like a seat in the non-beheading section, please."
All Canuckistanians should ride the bus with large "gifts for grandma".
Things your Canadian granny needs:
* Hickory axe handle
* A new tire iron, extra long
* A complete set of Ginsu knives
* Ninja throwing stars
* 50 feet of stout rope
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simonml Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:57am |
re: #208 albusteve
I will when I calm down....I'm gonna have a stroke if this market doesn't flatten out soon
Careful what you wish for. It very well could flat line altogether...
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calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:58am |
re: #217 JohnAdams
Thanks. I'm told you can swap out the barrel for various uses?
You can also do that with most shotguns, including Mossberg.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:19:59am |
Well y'all I gotta go eat lunch and do more chores. I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:02am |
re: #212 yma o hyd
Hiya {scotti]!
Its the same on this side of the Big Pond - and I'm just glad that I still have a roof over my head, enought to eat and to feed Madame Dog, and no debts.
Savings, stocks and shares - ah well ... can't do nothing about them except hang in there.
Hiya, {yma}! Agreed. Please give Madame a scritch from me...
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:11am |
re: #115 subsailor68
You and I are on the same page for sure. Any guess on the bottom? (I think one lizard guessed 6000 or even lower - can't remember who that was though.)
I don't see any reason why it can't be irrational to the downside in the same manner it was irrational to the upside. Meaning, as much as I don't want to say it, that it could go down to 5,000, or lower, depending on what the government does (and so far all things point badly). After the 1929 crash the Dow continued lower until it was 90% below its peak 3 years later.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:16am |
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mep481@gmail.com Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:20am |
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:29am |
re: #218 mep481@gmail.com
Europe is more into Obama than us Americans
That's for sure.
With all their minority members of parliment, and all.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:30am |
re: #245 realwest
Well y'all I gotta go eat lunch and do more chores. I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
{real}
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baldeagle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:49am |
This is a bloodless[so far]revolution! These people have been planning this for years,,,,,,the O is not going to have any 'epiphany' . We are watching history being made right now,,,,and the only who is addressing it is Santelli .
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calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:50am |
re: #227 joncelli
I think most everybody will be swigging from the bottle before 2012 is over.
/Not me, but most everybody.
Hell, I'll be swigging by dark today.
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:20:54am |
re: #232 realwest
Well you can certainly bet that Obama is gonna blame Bush for this.
But sometimes facts get in the way of the Obama's message: The Community Reinvestment Act, as revised by Clinton and The Dems, punished banks for not making mortgage loans to people with no credit history or a bad credit history. Thus was created the SubPrime Mortgage.
Well yeah, I know that, you know that, everyone here and their grandma knows that! Too bad apparently nobody in power does!
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Raven1 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:21am |
President Obama, the people are starving! Obama: Let them send me their bread.
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yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:31am |
re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans
Looks like a lot of the stock-owning yuppies who thought Our Messiah-King was better than McCain in being able to fix the economy are less charitable now that O has come out of the moderate closet and said the best way to fix the problem is to "raise taxes on the rich".
Heh.
They don't understand that they're asking PB0 to tax them, because they are 'the rich'!
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:33am |
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bolivar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:34am |
re: #138 loppyd
You feel like that because YOU ARE!
Luckily, I work 5 miles to the NH border and plan to do weekly fill ups. I'll stock up on Twizzlers if Deval gets his candy tax.
Loppy, we live in Rhode Island and we have 7% sales and 8% restaurant taxes so your 5% is welcome. We spend our money in Mass. and save 2% on major purchases. We save any way we can.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:37am |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
What did I miss - in five sentences or less?
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:21:38am |
Is anyone else listening to Rush? Barry has the governors broken up into work groups like a bunch of 5th graders.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:02am |
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:04am |
re: #237 MrSilverDragon
I dunno, but it just bothers me that in our country, anyone would be named "czar" of anything. It just seems so inappropriate.
Welcome to the brave new world, comrade.
Did you buy your little blue book of Obama quotations yet?
Community organizers will be checking up on you soon.
/
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mep481@gmail.com Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:07am |
re: #250 Ben Hur
That's for sure.
With all their minority members of parliment, and all.
they don't actually want a minority member in their government.
they just want to look like they care about having minority groups in government
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:12am |
re: #249 mep481@gmail.com
i'm sorry. i didnt see it when it posted. i thought i forgot to push the post button. it's happened to me before...
Multiple posts can be a good thing.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:13am |
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Golem Akbar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:20am |
Slightly OT, Chicks becomes Dicks. I know it's sporting goods, but I like Chicks, not necessarily Dicks. (///)
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:21am |
re: #217 JohnAdams
Thanks. I'm told you can swap out the barrel for various uses?
a Remington 870? yes. keep an eye out on the receivers though: older models can only chamber 2.75" shells, newer models take those and 3" both.
not sure about the even newer models.
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Scion9 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:21am |
re: #252 baldeagle
It was a bloodless coup! All smotherings.
-The Simpsons
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:44am |
re: #258 bolivar
Loppy, we live in Rhode Island and we have 7% sales and 8% restaurant taxes so your 5% is welcome. We spend our money in Mass. and save 2% on major purchases. We save any way we can.
How sad is that when you think about it?
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:22:52am |
Just so we remember. When Obama speaks of inheriting this mess and blames GWB.
Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: September 30, 1999
In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.
Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.
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Wilderstad Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:04am |
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:12am |
re: #239 wrenchwench
I got my reply today too. He did not read what we wrote, did he?
he did not...he "looks forward to working with state and local officials" to spend the money...job security
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:24am |
re: #271 buzzsawmonkey
I hope they have safety scissors.
Will they be putting glitter on the Stimulus Bill with library paste?
Mmmmmm... library paste...
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:25am |
re: #247 Leonidas Hoplite
I don't see any reason why it can't be irrational to the downside in the same manner it was irrational to the upside. Meaning, as much as I don't want to say it, that it could go down to 5,000, or lower, depending on what the government does (and so far all things point badly). After the 1929 crash the Dow continued lower until it was 90% below its peak 3 years later.
Hmm...hadn't thought of the irrational on the upside, irrational on the downside aspect of it. Good point! And the irrationality resulting from government making bad decisions makes sense...although for the most part, when I worry about bad government decisions, I feel pretty rational recently.
;-)
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:34am |
re: #233 brookly red
and if you happen to be in NYC, there is a guy on Fulton st. that will take food stamps/
Is he the guy who sells the Kahr K9 to Jodie Foster in The Brave One?
(Gotta love Hollywood; her character has never handled a gun before, but after posing with the gun a couple of times and practicing pulling the slide release, she becomes an instant CQB expert)
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:45am |
The solution is to pump federal money into failed banks so that they buy up the banks that haven't failed yet. Then Democrat hacks can get cushy appointments to bank boards owned by Obama.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:50am |
re: #271 buzzsawmonkey
I hope they have safety scissors.
Will they be putting glitter on the Stimulus Bill with library paste?
yes, but not until after nap time.
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:52am |
re: #220 davinvalkri
One, how many czars of _____ do you frikken need?
And two, what does FTFY mean?
fixed that for ya!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:52am |
re: #259 Dianna
Some obscure blog removed Robert Spencer from its blogroll for his ties to extremist groups. Robert sent an email threatening to sick his lawyer on them.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:53am |
re: #236 Golem Akbar
If Romney is in reality the "fiscal conservative" he was made out to be (and I have my suspicion that he really wasn't), he might be the best best in 2012.
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:23:56am |
re: #260 loppyd
Is anyone else listening to Rush? Barry has the governors broken up into work groups like a bunch of 5th graders.
Bastards.
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mep481@gmail.com Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:05am |
re: #264 Ben Hur
Multiple posts can be a good thing.
maybe if we can get enough people we can protest against Europe
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:16am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:31am |
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gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:31am |
re: #178 Peacekeeper
We had Reaganomics, when will that start calling it Oconomics
I was thinking of "0bamanomics".
I've also started to use the word "0bamic" to describe anything huge and devastating. Example: "The economic crisis is reaching 0bamic proportions!"
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:34am |
re: #260 loppyd
Is anyone else listening to Rush? Barry has the governors broken up into work groups like a bunch of 5th graders.
that is what community organizers do... let us hope that some of them resent being treated like chumps.
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:36am |
re: #190 Russkilitlover
Of course, you mean Maui, right?
That's nice too but a bit far away for a yearly excursion! At least for me.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:24:58am |
re: #267 redc1c4
a Remington 870? yes. keep an eye out on the receivers though: older models can only chamber 2.75" shells, newer models take those and 3" both.
Of course, both is better, but no huge deal if a shotgun won't take magnum shells. They're not really recommended for self defense, anyway.
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NYCHardhat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:06am |
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JohnAdams Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:07am |
re: #232 realwest
Well you can certainly bet that Obama is gonna blame Bush for this.
But sometimes facts get in the way of the Obama's message: The Community Reinvestment Act, as revised by Clinton and The Dems, punished banks for not making mortgage loans to people with no credit history or a bad credit history. Thus was created the SubPrime Mortgage.
Wall Street Investment "Banks" like Lehman, Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch saw an opportunity - buy Billions of dollars worth of these SubPrime Mortages, put them in a pool and then issue bonds at low rates because those bonds were "securitized" by those pools of mortgages. Then Fannie and Freddie got into the act with reducing "normal" requirements for down payments and a lot of folks were buying houses with 100% financing - no equity in the home that they purchased at all.
Then, either because of the buyer's greed (I HAVE to have a 3,000 sq ft. house and I HAVE to have granite countertops and I HAVE to have all stainless steel appliances) or Seller's greed (I want to make every penny I can off this house when I sell it) and the mortgage brokers and the realestate brokers actually helping people to buy and finance houses when those brokers KNEW that the buyers' wouldn't be able to afford the mortgage, real estate taxes, utilities FOOD and all, without MAJOR changes in their lifestyles and now WE'RE stuck paying off their mortgages as well as our own.
If Republicans can EVER get their message out over the MSM cover that Obama has, folks will realize what's happened here.
And then Buyer's (or Voters) Remorse will set in.
Well said by the crafty veteran.
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mep481@gmail.com Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:22am |
re: #287 gmsc
I've also started to use the word "0bamic" to describe anything huge and devastating. Example: "The economic crisis is reaching 0bamic proportions!"
That's a great idea. Hopefully it'll catch on.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:36am |
re: #193 OldLineTexan
When you have to use a wheelbarrow for the
marksdollars it takes to buy a loaf of bread.I am guessing by May.
Pretty unlikely, actually. The economy has enormous deflationary pressures shoving it at the moment, and these aren't likely to abate. Home prices have not only plummeted - they've over-plummeted, and it will take a good long time for them to recover. On top of that you've got continuing unemployment increases, along with flat or dropping pay, along with gutted retirement accounts; there's no spending to drive prices higher.
Increases in commodities - like oil - are the only danger, but even these are being moderated by slack demand.
I agree that sooner or later we're going to have to pay the piper for all the money Congress has been busily printing. But I don't see inflation becoming an issue anytime soon.
For what it's worth, the Fed is in the perfect position to combat inflation in the event I'm wrong. All they have is upside to move interest rates into.
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:37am |
re: #252 baldeagle
This is a bloodless[so far]revolution! These people have been planning this for years,,,,,,the O is not going to have any 'epiphany' . We are watching history being made right now,,,,and the only who is addressing it is Santelli .
Sun Tzu:
"To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."
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yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:39am |
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Eric Cartman's Conscience Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:45am |
I don't think Obama and his guys really care if the market tanks. It almost seems they'd prefer it. What better way to wage a war on Wall Street than to send muted mixed messages and confusing, irresponsible spending proposals? It'd be better if they did nothing and stayed mum on the whole thing. Instead they do just enough to continue contributing to the markets decline. They want this to happen.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:25:50am |
re: #224 Mr. Sandman
The markets are nothing but a herd of people buying and selling. And as with any herd mentality when one steer gets "spooked" the rest follow and trample everything in the path.
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:03am |
re: #260 loppyd
Is anyone else listening to Rush? Barry has the governors broken up into work groups like a bunch of 5th graders.
Divide et impera?
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gonecamping Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:06am |
Just heard it, and he has them in 'break out, or break wind" sessions to come with with the ideas he is unable to think of.
re: #260 loppyd
Is anyone else listening to Rush? Barry has the governors broken up into work groups like a bunch of 5th graders.
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:19am |
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Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:20am |
re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans
Looks like a lot of the stock-owning yuppies who thought Our Messiah-King was better than McCain in being able to fix the economy are less charitable now that O has come out of the moderate closet and said the best way to fix the problem is to "raise taxes on the rich".
Oh, but it would have been far, far worse under McCain, because McCain was planning to simultaneously declare war on a hundred different countries as soon as he was inaugurated, thereby bankrupting the country instantly. He was even going to make Arkansas declare war on Oregon. Crazy stuff like that. The man just loves war. I have no idea why, it's just weird. Thank goodness we avoided that. Times are tough, but at least we have Hope!
We are the change that we have been waiting for! Today is the tomorrow of all our yesterdays! We must dare to dream, so that we can dream to dare!
/stock-owning Messiah-King-voting yuppie
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Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:26am |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
Some obscure blog removed Robert Spencer from its blogroll for his ties to extremist groups. Robert sent an email threatening to sick his lawyer on them.
I removed the Robert Spencer's book from my bookshelf, because of his ties to extremist groups & it was a crappy book anyway. So sue me.
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:29am |
re: #276 Occasional Reader
Is he the guy who sells the Kahr K9 to Jodie Foster in The Brave One?
(Gotta love Hollywood; her character has never handled a gun before, but after posing with the gun a couple of times and practicing pulling the slide release, she becomes an instant CQB expert)
uhhhh, no. this is for real.
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:36am |
it's a rally! the Dow is only down 120 right now.........
WOOT!
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:26:58am |
re: #302 gonecamping
Just heard it, and he has them in 'break out, or break wind" sessions to come with with the ideas he is unable to think of.
He'll say he's being bipartisan by taking the ideas of Ahnuld....
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Golem Akbar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:04am |
re: #281 ArchangelMichael
If Romney is in reality the "fiscal conservative" he was made out to be (and I have my suspicion that he really wasn't), he might be the best best in 2012.
I'll with hold judgement on Romney. I like him, but he or someone else needs to step up and declare a rational and patriotic loyal opposition, offering free-enterprise as the solution. Republkicans need to offer a positive program, not one that is just critical. Best-case scenario: free enterprise policy gets co-opted by the democrats.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:16am |
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:16am |
re: #215 calvin coolidge
Barack has announced that Joe Biden will be in charge of overseeing the stimulus package. Putting Biden in charge would be like putting Travis the chimpanzee in charge of the party guests at your home.
You clever monkey. Joe is pasty-complected, so it can't be racist. Updings are in order, IMO.
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SixDegrees Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:34am |
re: #226 simonml
IMO the best Stimulus plan would have been to suspend withholding Social Security Tax from everyone's paycheck for 8-12 weeks or longer. Its a good chunk of change.
That, or just run the government off the huge chunk of borrowed cash and eliminate Federal withholdings altogether for a quarter or two.
Ya wanna stimulate the economy? That would do it. A helluva a lot faster than the $17 a week I'll be getting as my cut of the trillion dollar "stimulus," which I'm just not finding very stimulating.
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gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:47am |
re: #270 jcm
Just so we remember. When Obama speaks of inheriting this mess and blames GWB.
Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: September 30, 1999
It's worse than you think:
Fannie Mae to Loosen Rules for Home-Loan Refinancing
Published: February 5, 2009
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:27:49am |
re: #288 brookly red
that is what community organizers do... let us hope that some of them resent being treated like chumps.
most of them *are* chumps..... the idiot from Austria California, for one.
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FrogMarch Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:00am |
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:00am |
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Dragonwolf Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:07am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
I'm not an expert, I can only pass on what I was told. Precious metals tend to negatively mirror the market. So I would say Gold.
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opnion Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:20am |
If you are a member of the 40% that do not pay taxes and/ or get some form of Public Assistance, chances are you will vote Democrat.
Obama is going to increase those numbers & that will really narrow the margin for error to elect a Republican President.
Everyone who has passed on the Kool Aid will need to get out & vote in 2012.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:33am |
The bright spot: my company is bucking the trend and our stock is going up. No, not going to name them.
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:33am |
re: #307 redc1c4
it's a rally! the Dow is only down 120 right now.........
WOOT!
New journalism rule: all increases in the stock market are to be labeled as "rallies" and to be attributed to The 0ne and his economic policies, especially the stimulus.
/really?
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MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:33am |
Bambi is holding his "Financial Responsibility Summit" this very moment. It's something like holding a chastity summit at a brothel, only more ironic.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:47am |
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:28:49am |
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:05am |
re: #150 Nevergiveup
There was the "New Deal" and the "Great Society". What is this boondoggle gonna be called?
The "Great Fuck Up".
/Sorry, had to.
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gonecamping Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:07am |
Not only is Obama and his minions waging war on the street, they are waging war on the middle class who has been investing in the market. Nothing like destroying 'our' investments to try and enslave us with their socialism.
re: #298 Eric Cartman's Conscience
I don't think Obama and his guys really care if the market tanks. It almost seems they'd prefer it. What better way to wage a war on Wall Street than to send muted mixed messages and confusing, irresponsible spending proposals? It'd be better if they did nothing and stayed mum on the whole thing. Instead they do just enough to continue contributing to the markets decline. They want this to happen.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:09am |
re: #238 Ben Hur
Do they have a view, Clareace?
/chills
When did you start sounding like Hannibal Lecter?
/
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:16am |
re: #314 redc1c4
most of them *are* chumps..... the idiot from
AustriaCalifornia, for one.
Don't blame me! I wanted McClintock!
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Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:18am |
re: #311 OldLineTexan
You clever monkey. Joe is pasty-complected, so it can't be racist. Updings are in order, IMO.
Nope, sorry, still racist. It criticizes Obama.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:28am |
The Dem's theme song.
Money, its a crime.
Share it fairly but dont take a slice of my pie.
Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today.
But if you ask for a raise its no surprise that theyre
Giving none away.
-Pink Floyd
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:34am |
re: #320 Thanos
The bright spot: my company is bucking the trend and our stock is going up. No, not going to name them.
So, what's it like to work for Smith & Wesson?
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:36am |
re: #291 Occasional Reader
Of course, both is better, but no huge deal if a shotgun won't take magnum shells. They're not really recommended for self defense, anyway.
yeah, but from the POV that it's better to be able to use whatever ammo you can get, versus not having any, i'd go with the have and not need philosophy.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:29:41am |
re: #303 Bloodnok
So 'yer tellin' me there's a chance....
/////Dumb and Dumber
I can't relate when people tell me that movie wasn't funny!
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:03am |
re: #181 loppyd
Big waves at Good Harbor - and warm water.
I'm a Crane Beach girl....but we tend to be on the boat and just end up where we end up.
So I guess you've eaten at the Lobster Pool?
I've eaten at the Lobster Pool more times than I can count. I gorge on the clam plate for a week to get my fix.
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:05am |
re: #273 albusteve
he did not...he "looks forward to working with state and local officials" to spend the money...job security
Bingaman wasn't any better.
Since he's claiming he's going to create or save 22,000 NM jobs, I asked him specifically how he is going to ensure than my business does not fail over the next year.
I loved the part about "repairing some of New Mexico's roads. How about paving some of our roads?
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:05am |
re: #332 Occasional Reader
I don't work for a gun company.
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Caboose Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:11am |
Is it too early to state
Worst. President. Ever.
?
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:13am |
re: #271 buzzsawmonkey
I hope they have safety scissors.
Will they be putting glitter on the Stimulus Bill with library paste?
No, they'll be using glitter glue. Trust me, it's even worse.
/i hate glitter glue
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:14am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:29am |
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:34am |
re: #313 gmsc
It's worse than you think:
Fannie Mae to Loosen Rules for Home-Loan Refinancing
Published: February 5, 2009Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Hey, we didn't have the The One to make sure it was done right last time!
////////////
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:39am |
re: #313 gmsc
It's worse than you think:
Fannie Mae to Loosen Rules for Home-Loan Refinancing
Published: February 5, 2009Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Can you say, "vicious cycle"?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:39am |
re: #307 redc1c4
it's a rally! the Dow is only down 120 right now.........
WOOT!
Obama style of economics, less contraction is good.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:40am |
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:44am |
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bolivar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:45am |
re: #269 loppyd
How sad is that when you think about it?
Pathetic I know but, given that democrats have killed this state we have to reach out at any life preserver we can. I am going to be out of work in 2 weeks and my wife's employment is not secure so our lots in Florida are looking more and more tempting all the time.
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:56am |
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:30:56am |
re: #334 loppyd
I can't relate when people tell me that movie wasn't funny!
What could be funnier than drinking pee from a beer bottle?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:00am |
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:02am |
re: #314 redc1c4
most of them *are* chumps..... the idiot from
AustriaCalifornia, for one.
yeah, that one make me feel good about living in NYC...
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:03am |
re: #338 Caboose
Is it too early to state
Worst. President. Ever.
?
Let's wait until he's out of office before we compare him to Harding.
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MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:05am |
re: #338 Caboose
Is it too early to state
Worst. President. Ever.
?
If you're jumping the gun, it isn't by much.
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:12am |
re: #341 Occasional Reader
I knew I recognized "Plum Island" from somewhere.
Good striper fishing off Plum Island. I miss it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:13am |
What if we all pitched in some money to send Thomas Sowell to the White House to explain economics to Obama?
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:15am |
re: #188 redc1c4
i hope you can afford it this year.....
I'll pitch a tent in a campground if I have too...and I just might.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:15am |
re: #324 brookly red
and I won't ask how you don't...
I've just never traded food stamps for firearms, I guess.
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:20am |
re: #337 Thanos
I don't work for a gun company.
I think OR was funnin' with ya. Pretty funny actually.
;-)
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:33am |
re: #328 OldLineTexan
/chills
When did you start sounding like Hannibal Lecter?
/
Plum Island!
ALl I have on my office walls are my sketches.
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:35am |
re: #348 Wendya
The governors for acting like a bunch of welfare recipients.
They are a bunch of welfare recipients. They will fare well, the rest of us are fucked.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:45am |
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:31:45am |
re: #338 Caboose
Is it too early to state
Worst. President. Ever.
?
He's giving Carter a run for his money, isn't he?
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splat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:05am |
I am shocked... shocked... the "No Pork Left Behind" bill didn't help ?
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:10am |
re: #319 Eric Cartman's Conscience
Where the hell IS Romney?
He's selling his house in Utah.
Can't imagine he'd be doing that to spend more time here in MA.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:18am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:21am |
re: #358 subsailor68
I think OR was funnin' with ya. Pretty funny actually.
;-)
I hadn't even read your post, and we both came up with "funnin' ya". Eerie, mon.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:31am |
re: #314 redc1c4
most of them *are* chumps..... the idiot from
AustriaCalifornia, for one.
There used to a be a push to see Ahnold elected POTUS. I wonder if people who wanted that are still willing to get it.
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:32am |
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:34am |
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:49am |
re: #338 Caboose
Is it too early to state
Worst. President. Ever.
?
Maybe not, but it should be coming along any time now.
Wait....
Wait....
Wait for it....
Wait.....
Okay. NOW it's official. Worst ever.
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MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:32:51am |
re: #363 Wendya
He's giving Carter a run for his money, isn't he?
He's giving Jimmuh a run for OUR money.
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cimom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:01am |
I told my husband to invest in rifles and shotguns before the democrats make any new buying restrictions. Seriously, I want all my kids to have shotguns of their own when they're old enough to go hunting. Naturally this ought to make anti-gunners lose their minds (not that that is hard to do), but I think this is one of the better investments right now.
My family was totally enraptured about the stock market. I had an old 401k which was rolled over into stock funds. I moved part of it (unfortunately, not all) into bonds. I was afraid to tell my mother about it because she'd be mad that it wasn't a good investment. Now I'm afraid she'll be mad at me because anyways. (I'm in one of those families where parents like to assume their children never do anything right).
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:01am |
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gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:04am |
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Bombarafat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:10am |
Sounds like a topic for certain Tom Petty song
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:10am |
re: #348 Wendya
The governors for acting like a bunch of welfare recipients.
Our governor, Rick Perry, bitched about it at first, then decided to accept the dough. Perry's one of those that Obama has knocked for not being "with the program", so to speak.
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Randall Gross Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:11am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:12am |
My Unicorn had his kidney stolen.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:18am |
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:35am |
re: #367 Occasional Reader
I hadn't even read your post, and we both came up with "funnin' ya". Eerie, mon.
OMG! Are you my long lost sibling?
:-)
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smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:38am |
Restored,and contrite, and vowing NEVER NEVER NEVER to get into any Creationism conversations EVERAGAIN.
Thank you again Charles.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:43am |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
Some obscure blog removed Robert Spencer from its blogroll for his ties to extremist groups. Robert sent an email threatening to sick his lawyer on them.
That is pathetic.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:33:45am |
re: #360 Ben Hur
ALl I have on my office walls are my sketches.
That one over there, that's the Duomo, seen from the Belvedere, isn't it?
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:01am |
re: #371 Bloodnok
Maybe not, but it should be coming along any time now.
Wait....
Wait....
Wait for it....
Wait.....
Okay. NOW it's official. Worst ever.
If they can claim "best ever" and compare him to Lincoln and FDR BEFORE he even took office, well.......yes, you can!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:09am |
re: #357 Occasional Reader
I've just never traded food stamps for firearms, I guess.
I felt sorry for myself because I had no firearms. Then I met a man with no foodstamps.
/
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JohnAdams Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:13am |
re: #309 Golem Akbar
I'll with hold judgement on Romney. I like him, but he or someone else needs to step up and declare a rational and patriotic loyal opposition, offering free-enterprise as the solution. Republkicans need to offer a positive program, not one that is just critical. Best-case scenario: free enterprise policy gets co-opted by the democrats.
I think Newt Gingrich sees things quickly imploding toward his Churchill moment. He will be a factor.
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Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:23am |
The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History
A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.
| 390 |
Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:26am |
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:44am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:34:54am |
re: #383 smokefire
Restored,and contrite, and vowing NEVER NEVER NEVER to get into any Creationism conversations EVERAGAIN.
Thank you again Charles.
WHY DO YOU HATE TRILOBITES?!?!
/
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:00am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:15am |
re: #363 Wendya
He's giving Carter a run for his money, isn't he?
He's outdistanced Carter within 20 days of being anointed and enthroned, making Jimmah VERY happy to have a rehabilitated Presidency.
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:18am |
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:23am |
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calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:28am |
re: #344 FurryOldGuyJeans
Obama style of economics, less contraction is good.
I think someone in the cabinet is a graduate from the Robert Mugabe School of Economics.
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:38am |
re: #374 cimom
I told my husband to invest in rifles and shotguns before the democrats make any new buying restrictions.
I never thought of firearms as an investment but when I was online checking prices recently, I found that my firearms have done a hell of a lot better than my investments in the stock market.
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joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:46am |
re: #359 twincitiesgirl
Don't tell that to any 11-year-old girls.
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Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:47am |
re: #385 Occasional Reader
That one over there, that's the Duomo, seen from the Belvedere, isn't it?
It's my GUN!
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Teacake! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:49am |
I've never understood why a company can't function on its own with just selling their products without having stocks and investors. How on earth did the entire world function before the invent of wall st and dow, jones?
I would think the simple way to prevent catastrophe would have been to let all the huge institutions die, give all the unemployed some "welfare" or what ever you want to call it until they find work or start a biz of their own.
Even with robbing the public of all this money to aid the failing companies, the problem still exists that the public will have even less money to spend, so what is the point in keeping the big guys going?
Streamline government. Low, flat tax. Less gov involvement in personal and business affairs.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:51am |
re: #378 Ward Cleaver
Our governor, Rick Perry, bitched about it at first, then decided to accept the dough. Perry's one of those that Obama has knocked for not being "with the program", so to speak.
Obama will start to see perfect hair as a threat. These things happen in threes ... Blago, Perry, ?
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:35:51am |
re: #347 bolivar
Pathetic I know but, given that democrats have killed this state we have to reach out at any life preserver we can. I am going to be out of work in 2 weeks and my wife's employment is not secure so our lots in Florida are looking more and more tempting all the time.
I'm very sorry to hear that about your job. No income tax in Florida....
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Dragonwolf Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:02am |
re: #49 albusteve
I'm getting clobbered but I have to ride it out...I have no other choices....this whole friggin thing is contrived which is what sets off a burning rage...it didnt need to happen...but it is the plan...
Step 1 wreck the economy
Step 2 blame the system that built the powerhouse economy you just wrecked.
| 408 |
Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:10am |
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Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:17am |
re: #383 smokefire
Restored,and contrite, and vowing NEVER NEVER NEVER to get into any Creationism conversations EVERAGAIN.
Thank you again Charles.
Whoa! A lizard resurrection! Hallelujah!
/St. Cognito approved.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:24am |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:29am |
re: #384 Dianna
It's downright odd. At first I thought the threatening email must have been a hoax but it checks out. I think Spencer is losing it. He's probably always been a little on the extreme side but something is going on with him. Maybe personal problems or something.
| 412 |
The Pulchritudinous Patriot Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:32am |
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Abu Al-Poopypants Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:40am |
re: #389 Kenneth
The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History
A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.
Where's the one from when my wife had our kitchen remodeled?
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Mike McDaniel Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:51am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Guns and ammunition, obviously.
Seriously, it's a good time to just hang on and ride it out. That's what I'm doing. Put money aside, let the market tank...and buy when it hits rock bottom sometime late this year.
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soccerdad Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:36:53am |
re: #47 Golem Akbar
I don't want BHO to fail. I want the economy to get better. It is still possible, even under the socialist state that the ONE™ wants for us. Highly unlikely, but still possible.
Call me about a bridge i have for sale.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:01am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
I wouldn't rate myself an expert, but the Gold train has already left the station. At over $1000 an ounce, it's overpriced. There are many mines that were abandoned because they could not be worked profitably at $300, but they can be reopened. If the price stays above $1000, they will be reopened. This new supply will nudge the price downward.
What's more, the circumstances of near economic meltdown needed for stocks to collapse while money-in-the-bank collapses due to inflation are circumstances so serious that gold is not much security. Gold can be confiscated.
If you're a complete pessimist, your best security is to have skills that will be necessary in almost any community and almost any economy. If you have a talent that can fit that occupational description, and an interest in such work, that might be something to think about. Possessions are not much of a protection in an economic meltdown.
If your job is stable, owning a modest home, free and clear, might be a good idea. Homes too can be confiscated, but most governments flinch from widespread confiscation of homes. The mob may resent people with gold, but everybody needs some sort of lodging.
Coping skills are also valuable. The more around-the-home stuff you can do for yourself, the better.
And friends are essential. Giving generously of your time and money, to a community that you'll be a part of for years to come, is maybe a better form of money in the bank, than money in the bank is.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:01am |
re: #389 Kenneth
The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History
A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.
That last photograph made me jump.
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:07am |
re: #357 Occasional Reader
I've just never traded food stamps for firearms, I guess.
yeah, it's a bit of a hassel, WIC checks are the gold standard...
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smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:10am |
re: #393 Occasional Reader
that's right trying to get me in the sh*ts again.
Sorry, that dog don't hunt.
Will not rise to that bait.
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FrogMarch Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:13am |
Remember - when the stock market tanks - it has nothing to do with Obama.
When the stock market goes up - It's an Obama stimulus miracle!
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fish Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:13am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
Canned goods and ammo.
| 423 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:14am |
I look at Mexico these days. Crushing poverty and unemployment. Drug gangs running the law out of town, replacing order with massacres and violence not even seen in the days of the wild West. I see our future there.
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:18am |
re: #400 Wendya
I never thought of firearms as an investment but when I was online checking prices recently, I found that my firearms have done a hell of a lot better than my investments in the stock market.
And wait till you check ammunition prices. Back in October a friend and I were talking and I said that - if we were smart - we'd liquidate everything and invest in 9mm, .38 cal., .45 cal., and .227 ammo. We had a good laugh.
Oops.
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snowcrash Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:31am |
re: #389 Kenneth
The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History
A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.
Wasn't expecting that! Good one.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:38am |
re: #389 Kenneth
The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History
A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.
Wow, today is the first anniversary of Number 8. I remember, it was a Saturday, and I was running around doing errands, when I heard about it on the radio.
| 427 |
davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:41am |
re: #399 calcajun
I think someone in the cabinet is a graduate from the Robert Mugabe School of Economics.
Oh hell. If it ever gets as far as Zimbabwe has, I going to throw myself off the roof.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:37:55am |
Anybody see the "Naked Gun" movie...he's sitting in the bar....lounge singer is singing, "Guess I've been screwed"...
Camera panning around the room... Photo's of famous disasters, Hindenburg - Titanic - San Francisco earthquake - final, Michael Dukakis.
Looks like time to add a new picture to the wall.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:07am |
re: #399 calcajun
I think someone in the cabinet is a graduate from the Robert Mugabe School of Economics.
There are stories Mugabe is wanting to leave the country now that he has sucked it dry of any and all wealth he can get. Just our luck if O pulls a Carter and give refuge to Mugabe here in the US.
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:15am |
re: #403 Teacake!
I've never understood why a company can't function on its own with just selling their products without having stocks and investors. How on earth did the entire world function before the invent of wall st and dow, jones?
Companies have always had investors. Before the stock market, they were private investors.
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nyc redneck Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:16am |
O has never had a real job in his life.
all he knows is ideology on paper,
no actual experience doing anything to make money.
he has no idea how to run a business.
it is so predictable that he would wreck the economy.
and on top of his lack of experience, he is a committed marxist.
he was a train wreck from the beginning and too many people refused to see it.
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JohnAdams Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:17am |
re: #389 Kenneth
The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History
A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.
So you're saying this is fascinating?
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:18am |
re: #389 Kenneth
The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History
A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.
It's not funny, but I'm LMAO.
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:28am |
re: #338 Caboose
Is it too early to state
Worst. President. Ever.
?
been doing that for awhile....... need any stickers?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:30am |
re: #414 Mike McDaniel
Seriously, it's a good time to just hang on and ride it out.
Also, quite possibly, it's a good time for real estate.
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FrogMarch Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:33am |
"You see, son, our economic crisis was, um, brought on by, um, people running up huge loads of debt to buy a bunch of, um, crap they didn't need. Which is why my 'stimulus' will, um, borrow trillions of dollars from the, um, Chinese to pay for, um, community organizers and um stuff."
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:36am |
re: #410 Occasional Reader
Breaking news: "Playtime is Fun"
Let's run with it!
Aren't you the guy who stepped in the sacred puddle of Machu Picchu?
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:41am |
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gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:51am |
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:38:58am |
re: #383 smokefire
Restored,and contrite, and vowing NEVER NEVER NEVER to get into any Creationism conversations EVERAGAIN.
Thank you again Charles.
Your departure scared the pith right out of me...:) Welcome back!
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rawmuse Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:39:16am |
When I first moved to my neighborhood, a lot of houses had iron bars over the window and doors, desperate relics from the 70's era crime wave. My house even had them at the time of my purchase. I took them all down. We all did.
Now, just last week, I saw some new ones going up. Nice new ones.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:39:31am |
re: #354 Bloodnok
Good striper fishing off Plum Island. I miss it.
It's been better on Cape Ann the last few years.
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:39:34am |
re: #399 calcajun
I think
someone in the cabinetthe entire Administration is a graduate from the Robert Mugabe School of Economics.
FTFY!
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:11am |
re: #433 JohnAdams
So you're saying this is fascinating?
In a massive train wreck schadenfreude kind of way, yes.
Remember Monty Python?
"For life's a piece of shit when you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke it's true...
You'll see it's all a show, keep them laughing as you go...
Just remember that the last laugh is on you!"
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gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:37am |
re: #421 FrogMarch
Remember - when the stock market tanks -
it has nothingyou're racist for suggesting it has something to do with Obama.
When the stock market goes up - It's an Obama stimulus miracle!
FTFY
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midwestgak Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:39am |
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Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:39am |
re: #338 Caboose
Is it too early to state
Worst. President. Ever.
?
Why not? Many in America had already labeled him the best president ever, before he even took office. I saw a poll of non-Americans, Europeans I think, in which Obama was rated ahead of the Dalai Lama as the most trusted world leader, even before he was a world leader.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:48am |
re: #438 Peacekeeper
Aren't you the guy who stepped in the sacred puddle of Machu Picchu?
No, I made the sacred puddle. (You really only just rent Cuzqueña beer, you know what I mean?)
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smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:50am |
OK, everyone, take your shots. I deserve them, but you all are going to have to be pretty good.
30+ years of sitting at fire house tables have prepared me for just about anything.
My final word on this matter is Charles is the most benevolent LIZARD MASTER.
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:53am |
re: #424 subsailor68
And wait till you check ammunition prices. Back in October a friend and I were talking and I said that - if we were smart - we'd liquidate everything and invest in 9mm, .38 cal., .45 cal., and .227 ammo. We had a good laugh.
Oops.
When prices started rising, I bought a few thousand rounds of .223. I've been picking up .45 and 9mm bit by bit.
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:40:57am |
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Scion9 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:41:16am |
re: #352 davinvalkri
Let's wait until he's out of office before we compare him to Harding.
Harding was a paragon of virtue in comparison to many that came before him, and practically everyone that came after. He was disgraced in the same way Nixon was; for engaging in unethical behavior that was official government policy funded by taxpayers, with the consent of Congress under FDR and Truman; and illicitly continued by Kennedy and Johnson. For the same reason as well; being hated by the press and the mugwump elites because of his political ideology not being sufficiently 'progressive'. Harding is nowhere close to being the worst President ever, even with his scandals, that basically amounted to no-bid contracts which are shamelessly mainstream policy now.
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:41:43am |
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:41:58am |
re: #443 rawmuse
When I first moved to my neighborhood, a lot of houses had iron bars over the window and doors, desperate relics from the 70's era crime wave. My house even had them at the time of my purchase. I took them all down. We all did.
Now, just last week, I saw some new ones going up. Nice new ones.
ya know, I live in a landmark hood & the older the bulding the thicker the iron... what did they know?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:21am |
re: #383 smokefire
Restored,and contrite, and vowing NEVER NEVER NEVER to get into any Creationism conversations EVERAGAIN.
Thank you again Charles.
Good to see you back.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:30am |
re: #442 buzzsawmonkey
You realize, of course, that you are the first person who has actually been renewed on Carousel.
Okay, I was motivated to see that movie when I was 13 or 14 entirely because of the brief cameo by Farrah Fawcett Majors. There, I said it.
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opnion Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:33am |
re: #423 MJBrutus
I look at Mexico these days. Crushing poverty and unemployment. Drug gangs running the law out of town, replacing order with massacres and violence not even seen in the days of the wild West. I see our future there.
Mad Max Time?
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:38am |
This is the Boston Globe story that Rush is referring to:
For now, laid off and loving it
Some are finding respite in a life without work
You would have a better chance of seeing Jesus Christ himself than reading such an article if George W. Bush were president.
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:49am |
re: #453 smokefire
OK, everyone, take your shots. I deserve them, but you all are going to have to be pretty good.
30+ years of sitting at fire house tables have prepared me for just about anything.
My final word on this matter is Charles is the most benevolent LIZARD MASTER.
Stop it.
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:52am |
re: #454 Wendya
When prices started rising, I bought a few thousand rounds of .223. I've been picking up .45 and 9mm bit by bit.
Check out local gun shows if you have 'em. Went to one here in the Texas Hill Country on Saturday, and there was a huge table of ammo for sale (although not as cheap as it used to be). Picked up 9mm, .38 cal, and 30-06 rounds at a fairly reasonable price.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:42:57am |
re: #389 Kenneth
The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History
A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.
While that was humorous, I would have one objection. Where is 9/11? I would say that was pretty catastrophic and had to cost more than the $150 million that is quoted for the Titanic.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:00am |
re: #320 Thanos
The bright spot: my company is bucking the trend and our stock is going up. No, not going to name them.
Give us a hint do they have "greeters" or a "dollar menu"?
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Dragonwolf Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:00am |
re: #92 OldLineTexan
Hey, the market is really cold!
/
But obviously not frigid...because we're still getting screwed
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LGoPs Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:25am |
re: #232 realwest
Well you can certainly bet that Obama is gonna blame Bush for this.
But sometimes facts get in the way of the Obama's message: The Community Reinvestment Act, as revised by Clinton and The Dems, punished banks for not making mortgage loans to people with no credit history or a bad credit history. Thus was created the SubPrime Mortgage.
Wall Street Investment "Banks" like Lehman, Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch saw an opportunity - buy Billions of dollars worth of these SubPrime Mortages, put them in a pool and then issue bonds at low rates because those bonds were "securitized" by those pools of mortgages. Then Fannie and Freddie got into the act with reducing "normal" requirements for down payments and a lot of folks were buying houses with 100% financing - no equity in the home that they purchased at all.
Then, either because of the buyer's greed (I HAVE to have a 3,000 sq ft. house and I HAVE to have granite countertops and I HAVE to have all stainless steel appliances) or Seller's greed (I want to make every penny I can off this house when I sell it) and the mortgage brokers and the realestate brokers actually helping people to buy and finance houses when those brokers KNEW that the buyers' wouldn't be able to afford the mortgage, real estate taxes, utilities FOOD and all, without MAJOR changes in their lifestyles and now WE'RE stuck paying off their mortgages as well as our own.
If Republicans can EVER get their message out over the MSM cover that Obama has, folks will realize what's happened here.
And then Buyer's (or Voters) Remorse will set in.
Well summarized. The Republicans need to chop this up into bite-size chunks and repeat it every time somebody sticks a microphone in their face.
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redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:31am |
above or below 7200 today at the close?
tiebreaker: where are we gonna be at COB friday?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:43:53am |
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:02am |
I'm just hoping my unicorn comes soon. Perhaps some hair from his mane will make a nice padding for the handbasket...
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Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:15am |
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:18am |
re: #436 Occasional Reader
Also, quite possibly, it's a good time for real estate.
Down 40 per cent in California.
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:22am |
re: #462 loppyd
This is the Boston Globe story that Rush is referring to:
For now, laid off and loving it
Some are finding respite in a life without workYou would have a better chance of seeing Jesus Christ himself than reading such an article if George W. Bush were president.
You have got to be kidding me.
"Unemployment! Everyone's doing it! Join the party!"
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mattm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:43am |
I just heard some MSM intro on how 0bama has a plan to cut the deficit in half but raising taxes and "fiscal responsibility." Hahahahaha......
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:43am |
re: #468 Dragonwolf
But obviously not frigid...because we're still getting screwed
Yep. How do ya think Eskimos reproduce?
;-)
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joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:56am |
re: #460 Occasional Reader
Jenny Agutter. Farah just didn't compare.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:44:59am |
So, is it just me, or would you rather have Voldemort as President then BO?
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smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:16am |
re: #444 loppyd
It's been better on Cape Ann the last few years.
..............whoooo, wait a minute PLUM ISLAND
That is where they conduct nefarious science experiments. There is a sign at the waters edge, that say's in so many words,
Stay the Hell away
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:16am |
re: #473 Chicago Blonde
I'm just hoping my unicorn comes soon. Perhaps some hair from his mane will make a nice padding for the handbasket...
Just be careful where you put the horn.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:22am |
re: #464 Peacekeeper
Stop it.
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?
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calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:29am |
re: #385 Occasional Reader
That one over there, that's the Duomo, seen from the Belvedere, isn't it?
Funny, these "Silence of the Lambs" cues are. I am inspired.
Letting BHO and the Dems run the economy is like letting Hannibal Lecter have access to a gourmet kitchen; they both mean to serve us--just not like how we imagine.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:35am |
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Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:39am |
re: #466 Ford_Prefect
9-11 was an intentional crime or act of war. The list included only accidents or screw-ups of some sort or another.
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:51am |
re: #481 smokefire
..............whoooo, wait a minute PLUM ISLAND
That is where they conduct nefarious science experiments. There is a sign at the waters edge, that say's in so many words,
Stay the Hell away
Different Plum Island
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Bob Dillon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:45:52am |
re: #423 MJBrutus
I look at Mexico these days. Crushing poverty and unemployment. Drug gangs running the law out of town, replacing order with massacres and violence not even seen in the days of the wild West. I see our future there.
Naw - you're just having flashbacks of when you watched Mad Max - Road Warrior.
/
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snowcrash Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:00am |
re: #432 nyc redneck
Hey redneck girl, If you watch the St. Patrick's Day parade in NYC, my son will be marching with his (TX) high school marching band, all 300 of them! I am not chaperoning so I can't suggest a meet up :( Could have been fun.
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Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:13am |
re: #480 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
So, is it just me, or would you rather have Voldemort as President then BO?
is that a trick question?
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gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:20am |
Gateway Pundit > Thanks Barry... Consumer Index Hits Record Lows- Stock Market Reaches Pre-Bush 1997 Levels
We are now officially looking at a Barry Market
Stock markets tanked today to pre-Bush levels.
Thanks Barry.Major stock market indexes fell to 1997 levels today.
Breitbart reported:Investors' sagging confidence has pulled the major stock market indexes to their lowest levels in nearly 12 years.
The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell to April 1997 levels Monday, while the Dow Jones industrial average reached its levels of October 1997 as investors succumbed to their growing worries about a recession that has no end in sight.
Most financial stocks were pounded even as government agencies led by the Treasury Department said they will launch a revamped bank rescue program that includes the option of increasing government ownership in financial institutions without having to pour more taxpayer money into them.
Also, the Rasmussen consumer index dropped to record lows today as well.
The Patriot Room reported:The Rasmussen Consumer Index, which measures consumer confidence on a daily basis, fell two points on Monday to 55.5. That’s the lowest level of confidence ever recorded in the seven-year history of the Consumer Index, and the fourth time a new low has been set this month.
The Rasmussen Investor Index fell nearly four points on Monday to 56.9, also a record low. For the Investor Index, the previous low had been established in mid-December.
But, don't worry... Joe Biden was just put in the role of stimulus czar.
Everything will be fine.
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MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:20am |
re: #477 mattm
I just heard some MSM intro on how 0bama has a plan to cut the deficit in half but raising taxes and "fiscal responsibility." Hahahahaha......
You bet. First he increases it five-fold above the atrocious level that Bush left it at after TARP and then promises to cut that level by 1/3.
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:28am |
re: #476 Bloodnok
So why didn't they embed a little loop of "Keep on the Sunny Side of Life" when you clicked on it?
Unbelievable.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:38am |
re: #466 Ford_Prefect
While that was humorous, I would have one objection. Where is 9/11? I would say that was pretty catastrophic and had to cost more than the $150 million that is quoted for the Titanic.
The September 11 attacks inflicted casualties and material damages on a far greater scale than any other terrorist aggression in recent history. Lower Manhattan lost approximately 30 percent of its office space and a number of businesses ceased to exist. Close to 200,000 jobs were destroyed or relocated out of New York City, at least temporarily. The destruction of physical assets was estimated in the national accounts to amount to $14 billion for private businesses, $1.5 billion for state and local government enterprises and $0.7 billion for federal enterprises. Rescue, cleanup and related costs have been estimated to amount to at least $11 billion for a total direct cost of $27.2 billion.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:39am |
re: #471 redc1c4
above or below 7200 today at the close?
tiebreaker: where are we gonna be at COB friday?
6500?
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Shug Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:42am |
re: #480 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
So, is it just me, or would you rather have Voldemort as President then BO?
No. I think she's doing a better job as first lady
/rimshot
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:43am |
re: #389 Kenneth
The 11 Most Expensive Catastrophes in History
A fascinating look at history's worst f*ck-ups.
Somehow... just somehow... I knew Obama was going to be #1 on the list.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:46:45am |
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deWildcats Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:10am |
re: #471 redc1c4
above or below 7200 today at the close?
tiebreaker: where are we gonna be at COB friday?
Can this be put on the website front page for all to play along with?
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:33am |
re: #486 Kenneth
9-11 was an intentional crime or act of war. The list included only accidents or screw-ups of some sort or another.
ummmm, letting a second attack happen dosen't count as a screw-up?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:34am |
re: #479 joncelli
Jenny Agutter. Farah just didn't compare.
Bah. How many adolescent boys had Jenny Agutter posters up on their bedroom walls in the 1970s? I rest my case.
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zombie Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:34am |
OK, question for the financial whizzes out there:
I occasionally help a senior citizen manage his finances (he is disabled and nearly blind, etc.).
He has several looooooongstanding IRAs and other investments, some of which are tied to the stock market. He's had these for decades.
Basically, his "portfolio" has gone up and down with the Dow over the years. And, needless to say, it has gone down down down over the last 12 months.
All of his investments are classified as "conservative" in nature -- i.e. the least risky kind of investment/IRA. So they don't fluctuate wildly -- just follow the general trend of the Dow.
Now, he's old enough the remember the Great Depression, and he's starting to worry that this downturn won't ever bounce back -- that the stock market will literally hit bottom, that all the financial institutions will go bankrupt, and he will lose all his money. So he's wondering: Should he take out his (diminished) money now, and put it into FDIC-insured banks? Or do what I have until now been recommending: ride it out. Things may go down, but surely, either in two years or five years or ten years, it will go back up.
Important note: All the financial institutions which are handling these investments are well-known, top-notch, non-flaky companies -- you've heard of them all.
I tell him that if he sells off his investments now, he'll be "locking in the losses," and it would be better to "ride it out." Because he doesn't need the cash now -- it's his nest egg. And he's comparatively healthy -- he'll be around for several more years, undoubtedly.
What would you advise?
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PISSED Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:47:45am |
Loppyd..... almost verbatim to one of the comments!
You've got to be kidding, Globe. If a Republican were in office, you'd NEVER print an article like this! If you can't be objective, you shouldn't be in journalism.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:00am |
re: #466 Ford_Prefect
While that was humorous, I would have one objection. Where is 9/11? I would say that was pretty catastrophic and had to cost more than the $150 million that is quoted for the Titanic.
I got the notion that the list is about accidents. Well, except for the last one.
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bolivar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:03am |
re: #405 loppyd
I'm very sorry to hear that about your job. No income tax in Florida....
There is so much to love around here - the seat of Liberty and the history you can just feel can be very intoxicating at times but then, I have an encounter with one of "them" and it just slips away and I get pissed and my blood pressure goes up and my wife tells me to shut my f^@%#* mouth and that brings things into focus.
Not always fun to be conservative in the liberal morass called New England - challenging but, not always fun.
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Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:04am |
re: #462 loppyd
The company my wife works for recently told their employees that if anyone wanted to take a voluntary layoff, it would be granted to them. It was a temporary offer in which, essentially, a person could quit and still collect unemployment. There were some takers. Some people would rather sit at home and collect instead of actually work for a living. Sad.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:06am |
re: #503 Occasional Reader
Bah. How many adolescent boys had Jenny Agutter posters up on their bedroom walls in the 1970s? I rest my case.
Who?
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mattm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:11am |
RCP Polling data
Direction of country 59.3 wrong direction/32.3 right direction
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gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:16am |
Come see Broadway's newest hit musical! It's the story of a man who was seen as the second coming of the messiah, before he turned the greatest nation in the world into a socialist disaster! It's . . .
JESUS CHRIST SUPER-CZAR
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Caboose Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:17am |
re: #350 MandyManners
I believed that on 11/20/08.
Well, I wanted to give the big Zer0 a chance to prove me wrong by not being the worst right away, but he wasted no time in proving me correct, damn him. And those that voted for this train wreck...
I think the W0rst. President. Ever needs to have the 0bama logo (stolen from the Real California cheese folks) in place of the '0'.
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Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:30am |
re: #492 gmsc
But, don't worry... Joe Biden was just put in the role of stimulus czar.
Everything will be fine.
Well, that's just freaking brilliant. What next? Al Sharpton as the racism czar?
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:31am |
re: #482 Ford_Prefect
Ew!
*smacking on nose*
Bad Ford, bad! :)
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cimom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:34am |
re: #416 yma o hyd
Who is basement cat? The cat in the picture is our pet (although my daughter considers her to be her precious baby). I put her next to a huge pumpkin that I grew for a Halloween picture.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:48am |
re: #476 Bloodnok
You have got to be kidding me.
"Unemployment! Everyone's doing it! Join the party!"
Gotta make Barry look good no matter what!
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joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:48:55am |
re: #503 Occasional Reader
Teenage boys have bad taste! [Sticks out tongue.]
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:23am |
re: #503 Occasional Reader
Bah. How many adolescent boys had Jenny Agutter posters up on their bedroom walls in the 1970s? I rest my case.
I had a burgundy t-shirt with the famous Farrah picture on it.
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kansas Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:30am |
Noted a little uptick then it went back down. What, some Democrat shithead go on TV?
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:34am |
For all lizards concerned about what's happening in Mexico, just consider this:
Lovely. Just freakin' lovely.
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:50am |
re: #503 Occasional Reader
Bah. How many adolescent boys had Jenny Agutter posters up on their bedroom walls in the 1970s? I rest my case.
IIRC she did show her rack...
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smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:49:53am |
re: #487 Leonidas Hoplite
Different Plum Island
oooops, my bad.
The Plum Island I was speaking of is between Fishers Island, NY, the eastern end of Long Island, aka the RACE
End of Thames River/Long Island Sound, open Atlantic
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Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:03am |
re: #500 MandyManners
Good point.
It would be very difficult to calcuylate the true cost of the Bhopal disaster.
# UCC offered US$ 350 million, the insurance sum.[1][2]
# The Government of India claimed US$ 350 billion from UCC.[1][2
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:05am |
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:25am |
re: #516 cimom
Awww!
*giving cute kitty an e-snuzzle*
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Racer X Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:41am |
re: #504 zombie
Ride it out.
We are no where near the great depression. Things will turn around in spite of what Obama does.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:48am |
re: #527 Occasional Reader
Exactly.
But Farrah in that red swimsuit.... hubbahubbahubba.
Now you are speaking my language! ;)
| 531 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:50am |
re: #519 Peacekeeper
What would you advise?
Take up smoking.
And, sniffing glue. Sky-diving. White-water rafting nekkid.
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FrogMarch Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:50:55am |
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brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:07am |
re: #476 Bloodnok
You have got to be kidding me.
"Unemployment! Everyone's doing it! Join the party!"
Hey, Zombie, we got the name for your 3rd party, & it seems to be getting more popular every day.
| 534 |
PISSED Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:11am |
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nyc redneck Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:23am |
re: #490 snowcrash
Hey redneck girl, If you watch the St. Patrick's Day parade in NYC, my son will be marching with his (TX) high school marching band, all 300 of them! I am not chaperoning so I can't suggest a meet up :( Could have been fun.
ok, i have a reason to go now. love the st. paddy's day parade.
love the guys in kilts, and knee socks w/ knives hanging off the side of their muscular calves.
(wish you were coming up)
| 536 |
Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:24am |
Maybe Charles could tally all the up and down dings daily. Sort of an LGF index?
| 537 |
Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:26am |
re: #522 subsailor68
For all lizards concerned about what's happening in Mexico, just consider this:
Lovely. Just freakin' lovely.
Humpf...I got drafted in Phoenix in 1967...I was gone for two years...:)
/S
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:40am |
re: #520 Ward Cleaver
I had a burgundy t-shirt with the famous Farrah picture on it.
I can still remember a kid on my school bus ceremoniously unfurling the Farrah poster one morning. We all just gaped. We were, hmm, 10 years old. We knew we liked it, we just weren't quite sure at that age why.
| 539 |
The Pulchritudinous Patriot Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:44am |
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:44am |
re: #522 subsailor68
For all lizards concerned about what's happening in Mexico, just consider this:
Lovely. Just freakin' lovely.
I watched a segment about that on 20/20 a couple of weeks ago. Drug dealers kidnapping other drug dealers, threatening to do things like cut their hands off.
| 541 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:51:48am |
re: #526 Kenneth
Good point.
It would be very difficult to calcuylate the true cost of the Bhopal disaster.
Look at the cost in human lives--up to 30,000 according to things I've heard over the years.
| 542 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:13am |
re: #520 Ward Cleaver
I had a burgundy t-shirt with the famous Farrah picture on it.
I had a poster with Albert Einstein sticking his tongue out....some pinup would have been classified as porn by my mother.
| 543 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:27am |
re: #504 zombie
First, I would advise him to keep a good friend. Good form, Zombie.
Financial side? If you ask ten finance guys, you'll get ten answers.
| 544 |
Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:34am |
re: #528 Chicago Blonde
Awww!
*giving cute kitty an e-snuzzle*
Mighty Litter kicker just got in line...great now I can sweep up his road project...:)
| 545 |
Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:49am |
Speaking of unicorns, there's too much negativity here. Can I offer anyone a little kool-aid to drink?
"Dawn of a New Era: What an incredible feeling to be proud to be an American!"
Nude Obama leaps from his unicorn to defeat the dreaded Wall Street bear
| 546 |
yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:58am |
re: #516 cimom
Who is basement cat? The cat in the picture is our pet (although my daughter considers her to be her precious baby). I put her next to a huge pumpkin that I grew for a Halloween picture.
Its a lovely cat!
'Basement Cat' is from Lolcats - its the baaad black cat living in the basement, and the fierce opponent of 'Ceiling Cat', which is, of course, white ...
| 547 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:52:58am |
re: #427 davinvalkri
Oh hell. If it ever gets as far as Zimbabwe has, I going to throw myself off the roof.
Before I go that far, I'm going to pay off my mortgages with one hours wages. Then I might have a burger with the other 7 from the day.
| 548 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:05am |
re: #509 Ford_Prefect
The company my wife works for recently told their employees that if anyone wanted to take a voluntary layoff, it would be granted to them. It was a temporary offer in which, essentially, a person could quit and still collect unemployment. There were some takers. Some people would rather sit at home and collect instead of actually work for a living. Sad.
I know someone who has been unemployed for over six months and has made no attempts at getting a job - and doesn't care.
| 549 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:12am |
re: #504 zombie
I tell him that if he sells off his investments now, he'll be "locking in the losses," and it would be better to "ride it out." Because he doesn't need the cash now -- it's his nest egg. And he's comparatively healthy -- he'll be around for several more years, undoubtedly.
What would you advise?
My completely uniformed opinion would be to stay put. 3wood could give you a more professional opinion.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:26am |
re: #403 Teacake!
I've never understood why a company can't function on its own with just selling their products without having stocks and investors. How on earth did the entire world function before the invent of wall st and dow, jones?
I would think the simple way to prevent catastrophe would have been to let all the huge institutions die, give all the unemployed some "welfare" or what ever you want to call it until they find work or start a biz of their own.
Even with robbing the public of all this money to aid the failing companies, the problem still exists that the public will have even less money to spend, so what is the point in keeping the big guys going?
Streamline government. Low, flat tax. Less gov involvement in personal and business affairs.
Some products cost too much money to develop for any one person to afford. That's one reason.
Another is that if the business goes bankrupt, the proprietor's personal assets can also be taken by creditors. The limited liability company was one of the greatest inventions to help the economy.
| 551 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:39am |
re: #515 Chicago Blonde
Ew!
*smacking on nose*
Bad Ford, bad! :)
I meant that you wouldn't want to sit on it. You're sick. ;-)
| 552 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:44am |
re: #523 Peacekeeper
IIRC she did show her rack...
And she wasn't too bad in "An American Werewolf in London" either.
| 553 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:53:51am |
re: #544 Dustyvet
I loved all our pets equally but cats are just so darn entertaining...
| 554 |
tackle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:01am |
Just curious, has anyone here cashed in their 401K? Been considering it but don't like the tax hit.
| 555 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:09am |
re: #540 Ward Cleaver
I watched a segment about that on 20/20 a couple of weeks ago. Drug dealers kidnapping other drug dealers, threatening to do things like cut their hands off.
If they start with that, they'll likely want to graduate to kidnapping as a large scale industry. People who do this must be crushed before that happens.
| 556 |
Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:23am |
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Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:24am |
re: #504 zombie
One idea:
Look at the individual investments and evaluate them by how they stand today. Some investments were more exposed to the risks & meltdown than others. Sell the shaky ones and hold the cash in bonds with varied maturities. When the market really does look like it's picking up again, buy back in.
| 559 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:34am |
re: #545 Last Mohican
Speaking of unicorns, there's too much negativity here. Can I offer anyone a little kool-aid to drink?
"Dawn of a New Era: What an incredible feeling to be proud to be an American!"
Nude Obama leaps from his unicorn to defeat the dreaded Wall Street bear
He's taller than depicted in the latter.
| 561 |
gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:54:53am |
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gman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:10am |
In these troubled times, I have found peace by listening to the chorus of the
Sing for Change™ video:
Yes we can, can, can
Yes we can, can, can
Yes we can, can, can
| 563 |
NYCHardhat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:11am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:14am |
re: #554 tackle
Just curious, has anyone here cashed in their 401K? Been considering it but don't like the tax hit.
Every pro I have heard is saying "do not cash in your 401K." Kind of makes me want to go and cash in my 401K,
| 565 |
Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:18am |
re: #553 Chicago Blonde
I loved all our pets equally but cats are just so darn entertaining...
I know...:) Oh God he's going to dynamite the bathtub...
| 567 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:50am |
re: #540 Ward Cleaver
I watched a segment about that on 20/20 a couple of weeks ago. Drug dealers kidnapping other drug dealers, threatening to do things like cut their hands off.
Yep, and it wouldn't be all that bad if it stayed that way. Unfortunately, it appears (at least in the border towns) that the new market is kidnapping tourists for ransom. And they're not just going after millionaires.
| 568 |
LGoPs Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:55:51am |
A thought comes to mind. I was one of those that applauded President Bush when early on in his first administration he tried doing something about social security and privatizing part of it. Of course he was pilloried for it and it came to nothing but in retrospect, based on what's happening to the markets, I'm wondering if maybe the intent, while good, was flawed.
I really don't know. I'm not smart enough economicallyto figure it out.
Just musing..........
| 569 |
Dasher Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:02am |
Unfortunately the current government solutions are not fixes. They are additions to the problem.
| 570 |
zombie Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:02am |
Not that anybody cares, but I very subtly re-jiggered the front page of zombietime: added a more prominent link to zomblog, reorganized some of the "current favorites" and other sidebar categories, and most importantly -- "disappeared" a couple of links. (I.e. the reports/essays are still online, I just removed the links to them.)
Why did I do that? Well, every now and then, some things just need to be "retired." Not trying to cover anything up -- the things are still there -- just feel that they no longer merit front-page inclusion.
For example, one of the ones I retired this time around is The Really Truly Hillary Gallery, which (as you can see) is still online, but there is no longer any link to it from the zombietime main page. Why? Because it was part of the presidential campaign, and now seems ridiculous and kind of petty and pointless, since she's no longer running for office.
Anyway, there are now quite a number of "hidden" zombietime pages like that, and I'm just going to leave you guessing as to what they all are!
| 571 |
FrogMarch Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:07am |
Joe Biden - Joe Biden?!? The Gaffe master doesn't even know what year it is...
| 572 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:07am |
re: #554 tackle
I have a neighbor who panicked and sold everything a few months ago. I feel bad for him. The time to sell was before the meltdown, not after. I do know someone who cashed out before the crash, I thought they were crazy at the time.
| 573 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:18am |
re: #551 Ford_Prefect
Hey! No projecting or I won't share my morning coffee! :)
Sheesh, a poor woman just tries to cushion the free-fall a little and look at you...
| 574 |
Shug Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:19am |
The Market Loves Barack Obama
( the resale, garage sale market)
| 575 |
Wilderstad Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:21am |
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]
Your T-Shirt
One, Big, Assed, Mistake, America
| 576 |
SummerSong Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:22am |
re: #475 MandyManners
Down 40 per cent in California.
Not everywhere...the coastal areas haven't dropped nearly that hard.
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gregg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:33am |
re: #504 zombie
It sure sounds like he is at the age where his money should have been mostly in fixed income, not equities.
| 578 |
PISSED Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:38am |
re: #559 MandyManners
Thanks Mandy for ruining my lunch with the nude obi-one... ewww
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:49am |
re: #552 subsailor68
And she wasn't too bad in "An American Werewolf in London" either.
IIRC she did show her rather formidable, uh, gifts in that movie.
The flick was also a great commercial for the virtues of an armed citzenry. Werewolve attacks people in a pr0n movie theatre, and they need to send for the SWAT team (which takes a while) before anyone with a gun can show up to deal with it? Reason #8,265 to support the 2nd Amendment: Rapid response to werewolves.
| 580 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:56:53am |
re: #554 tackle
Just curious, has anyone here cashed in their 401K? Been considering it but don't like the tax hit.
I'm wearing part of the BF's 401K on my left hand. So it worked out quite nicely for me. :)
Seriously, his accountant told him to bail last July when his company was bought out. The hit he took in taxes was still less than what he would have lost by now.
| 581 |
Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:17am |
re: #572 Killgore Trout
The time to sell was before the meltdown, not after.
Maybe right now is before the meltdown.
| 582 |
Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:20am |
re: #571 FrogMarch
Joe Biden - Joe Biden?!? The Gaffe master doesn't even know what year it is...
That explains why he was sent to the Special Olympics?
/S
| 583 |
baldeagle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:31am |
re 296 and 327.................Thats what I was trying to say
| 584 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:46am |
I've been shilling for the Bob Brinker show every weekend. I'll continue to do so, everybody should be listening to understand what's going on with the economy and personal finance. We should be live blogging it.
| 585 |
kansas Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:51am |
Plot the Dow since Jan 20th. When does O take the responsibility for this mess?
| 586 |
PISSED Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:57:56am |
re: #580 loppyd
Best to take it now, there was talk of the gov. taking the 401k's.
| 587 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:01am |
re: #558 ploome hineni
wonder why gold is not moving?
Gold IS moving, and has been since the economic problems were kick-started by Congress.
Gold charts (look toward the bottom of the page for the 30 and 60 day charts).
| 588 |
gregg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:01am |
Just when you think the government might have run out of money to give away:
AIG Is In Talks With Government To Secure Additional Funds to Keep Operating, CNBC Has Learned
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:07am |
re: #579 Occasional Reader
IIRC she did show her rather formidable, uh, gifts in that movie.
The flick was also a great commercial for the virtues of an armed citzenry. Werewolve attacks people in a pr0n movie theatre, and they need to send for the SWAT team (which takes a while) before anyone with a gun can show up to deal with it? Reason #8,265 to support the 2nd Amendment: Rapid response to werewolves.
ROTFLMAO! Send that to the NRA. STAT!
| 590 |
Dasher Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:17am |
re: #568 LGoPs
A thought comes to mind. I was one of those that applauded President Bush when early on in his first administration he tried doing something about social security and privatizing part of it. Of course he was pilloried for it and it came to nothing but in retrospect, based on what's happening to the markets, I'm wondering if maybe the intent, while good, was flawed.
I really don't know. I'm not smart enough economicallyto figure it out.
Just musing..........
There is a difference when the current administration is doing it damnedest to drive the market down. Have you heard one encouraging work from our POTUS - (You know, the socialist one.)
| 591 |
gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:26am |
re: #561 gmsc
...and it's a real good thing you're doing, Barry! It's a real good thing!
/0bama isn't so much throwing people into the bus as he is wishing them into the cornfield.
re: #563 NYCHardhat
You ever see that Twilight Zone episode?
GMTA!
Do you mean The Rip Van Winkle Caper?
| 592 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:27am |
re: #580 loppyd
Said it the other day, I'll say it again.
As someone who didn't scrimp and save and put every extra nickel into an IRA... I'm feelin' pretty damn smug.
| 593 |
MrSilverDragon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:30am |
re: #579 Occasional Reader
Reason #8,265 to support the 2nd Amendment: Rapid response to werewolves.
That made my day. Thanks. :)
| 594 |
Caliredst8r Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:41am |
re: #23 midwestgak
Obama is sending mixed messages
With the U.S. government racing toward $10 trillion in spending and loan guarantees to confront the recession, President Barack Obama on Monday will say it’s time to clamp down on federal expenditures.
Huh?
Sure, he's all for clamping down on federal expenditures, but not until sometime in the year 2025.
| 595 |
Racer X Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:58:52am |
re: #554 tackle
Just curious, has anyone here cashed in their 401K? Been considering it but don't like the tax hit.
Like zombie said above - cashing out now locks in your losses.
Look at the big picture - what changed in the past 6 months to initiate this financial collapse?
Did a major company stop producing goods?
Was there a catastrophic event that destroyed capital?
Did a major company admit to a glorious screw-up?
No.
This financial crisis was brought on by fear, and fear alone. Fear of what might happen IF all those bad loans went into default.
| 596 |
Dasher Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:04am |
re: #572 Killgore Trout
I have a neighbor who panicked and sold everything a few months ago. I feel bad for him. The time to sell was before the meltdown, not after. I do know someone who cashed out before the crash, I thought they were crazy at the time.
I panicked too, before the melt down... Am in cash and gold mostly now.
| 597 |
yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:17am |
re: #570 zombie
That looks excellent!
It really invites the visitor to delve in and peruse what all happened and what you worked on - very very good indeed!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:30am |
re: #585 kansas
Plot the Dow since Jan 20th. When does O take the responsibility for this mess?
20 January 2017.
| 599 |
Shug Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:36am |
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:38am |
The reason why Reagan won 2 landslide elections was not that he was pandering to the base or pandering to the moderates. It was because he laid out a plan to rescue America from Carter's road to ruin. He spelled it out, and sold it to Americans. He persuaded people. He brought people from both parties over to fiscal conservatism and a belief in American Exceptionalism.
We need someone who can lay out a plan, explain it in details that Americans can understand, both in heavy details, and in the MSMs stupid sound bytes designed to make lefty ideas seem like genius. We don't necessarily need to kick the religious whack-jobs, or the Country Club Blue Blood Big Government Spend like Drunken Sailor RINOs out of the party, but we do need to keep them off of the big stage for while.
The primary issue we are going to face is that we have spent and borrowed and entitled ourselves into oblivion. Serious fiscal conservatism and true non-watered-down free markets are the ONLY way to fix this that doesn't lead to collectivist serfdom and the downfall of the nation. It should be the ONLY issue on the table worth spending any significant amount of time and energy on in the 2010 and 2012 elections. Any republican who is yammering too much about "Academic Freedom" (ie: Creationism), abortion, gay marriage, or various social conservative "hill to die on" issues needs to be yanked off stage with a big hook. "It's the economy, stupid" needs to be our internal warcry. Let the So-cons deal with their pet issues locally or at the state level and STFU up about it at the national level where it's not helping.
Part of the reason (and I believe the main reason, although religious moonbattery in the party is scaring people away too) we have Comrade Chairman Obama in office is because he was good at bullshitting people into thinking he was the "economy candidate" with a lot of populist tripe. McCain didn't know jack shit about economics either, but was honest about it. So all we had really was Palin, who I liked, but she scared off as many people as she attracted and she never once mentioned the economy. Bam... Obama victory, and it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.
We cannot let the 2012 candidate be the 'economic idiot' in the race or we are doomed.
Who will be next "Great Communicator" of fiscal conservatism and real free market solutions? Will it be Romney? Will Palin educate herself on the issue? Is there anyone? Anyone?
| 602 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:51am |
re: #586 PISSED
Anything I can show Mr. Blonde so we can get what's left? He wants to leave it; I had a gut feeling that was a bad idea.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:59:57am |
re: #579 Occasional Reader
Werewolve attacks people in a pr0n movie theatre
"Werewolve" of course being the singular form of "werewolves".
[sigh]
| 604 |
LGoPs Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:00:03pm |
re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
First, I would advise him to keep a good friend. Good form, Zombie.
Financial side? If you ask ten finance guys, you'll get ten answers.
You trigger a thought. I've often thought that economics and market forces in general are like a force of nature, characterized by billons if not trillions of transactions daily. Any attempt to predict or control these forces of nature are as hopeless as trying to control the force of hurricanes in nature.
General principles certainly would apply but anything more specific than that is hopeless and as likely to do harm as good, IMHO.
Best course of action is to not f**k with Mother Nature.......
| 605 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:00:13pm |
Dow at 7160 as I type. At the rate it's dropping, it may well close under 7100 today. Crap.
| 606 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:00:32pm |
re: #581 Last Mohican
I don't think so. We may drop more but probably not a whole lot. Most of what we are seeing is people selling off financial stocks. Unless you're tied up in financials and you're concerned about the banks being nationalized I'd stay put.
| 607 |
brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:00:59pm |
re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Said it the other day, I'll say it again.
As someone who didn't scrimp and save and put every extra nickel into an IRA... I'm feelin' pretty damn smug.
uhhh, there is a guy here from the IRS & he wants to talk to you...
| 608 |
Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:14pm |
re: #550 Kosh's Shadow
The limited liability company was one of the greatest inventions to help the economy.
It certainly made a huge tax difference for us when we switched from a corporation to a LLC.
| 609 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:31pm |
re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Said it the other day, I'll say it again.
As someone who didn't scrimp and save and put every extra nickel into an IRA... I'm feelin' pretty damn smug.
Oh, you have no idea how hard it has been not to remind my fiscally responsible BF that I haven't lost a penny in the stock market. :~)
| 611 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:38pm |
re: #596 Dasher
I panicked too, before the melt down... Am in cash and gold mostly now.
Give me your gold!
-Barack Obama.
| 614 |
Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:40pm |
Dow down 211 now, to 7150.
7000 is withing striking distance... Go Joe, go!
| 615 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:01:56pm |
re: #603 Occasional Reader
"Werewolve" of course being the singular form of "werewolves".
[sigh]
Heh, heh.
"Werewolf?"
"There wolf. There castle."
| 616 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:07pm |
re: #569 Dasher
Unfortunately the current government solutions are not fixes. They are additions to the problem.
Yes. See this poster
And here is another one, I dedicate to the 0.
| 617 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:14pm |
re: #338 Caboose
Is it too early to state
Worst. President. Ever.
?
Call me an optimist, but I prefer to think of him as the 44th best.
| 618 |
kansas Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:31pm |
Wait, do these fuckers think the Dow is like golf? Low score wins? Somebody call them.
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:36pm |
re: #423 MJBrutus
I look at Mexico these days. Crushing poverty and unemployment. Drug gangs running the law out of town, replacing order with massacres and violence not even seen in the days of the wild West. I see our future there.
If by future you mean our Fourth Infantry ID then you may be correct I'm afraid.
| 622 |
zombie Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:42pm |
re: #597 yma o hyd
That looks excellent!
It really invites the visitor to delve in and peruse what all happened and what you worked on - very very good indeed!
Thank you.
And your payoff is: another secret zombietime link.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:44pm |
re: #586 PISSED
Best to take it now, there was talk of the gov. taking the 401k's.
Don't think that talk won't start back up again...
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:53pm |
re: #571 FrogMarch
Joe Biden - Joe Biden?!? The Gaffe master doesn't even know what year it is...
But he knows when his next appointment for plugs is........
| 626 |
nyc redneck Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:57pm |
i just heard a clip of O on the radio news.
he said "vunerable"
what next?
| 627 |
LGoPs Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:02:57pm |
re: #590 Dasher
There is a difference when the current administration is doing it damnedest to drive the market down. Have you heard one encouraging work from our POTUS - (You know, the socialist one.)
No, not a one. And I do understand that confidence is as important a factor as any other and this administration is doing its best to undermine it........
Either they're all incompetent bastards or they have an agenda. I vote for the latter......
| 628 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:06pm |
re: #611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I shall never, repeat NEVER, hand over my lupins!
| 629 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:23pm |
re: #621 DaddyG
If by future you mean our Fourth Infantry ID then you may be correct I'm afraid.
Huh?
| 630 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:26pm |
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tackle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:26pm |
re: #580 loppyd
I'm wearing part of the BF's 401K on my left hand. So it worked out quite nicely for me. :)
Seriously, his accountant told him to bail last July when his company was bought out. The hit he took in taxes was still less than what he would have lost by now.
Congratulations!
| 633 |
Dragonwolf Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:03:48pm |
re: #224 Mr. Sandman
You keep using the phrase 'temporary nationalization'. When has the government ever returned control of money it has taken back to the people?
Wasn't income tax a 'temporary wartime measure'?
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PISSED Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:04pm |
heres a link to one website... not sure of veracity...
google confiscate 401k's or something along those lines...
IMHO there isnt going to be any retirement if this continues...
[Link: www.jbs.org...]
| 636 |
Amer-I-Can Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:11pm |
This is obvious. “The One” is counting on the market crashing so that he can point to the incompetence of the traders… thus giving him a reason to take over Wall Street and put “Smokin’ Joe” in charge.
| 638 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:34pm |
re: #433 JohnAdams
So you're saying this is fascinating?
It's interesting in the Chinese curse sense of the word.
| 639 |
yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:43pm |
re: #622 zombie
Thank you.
And your payoff is: another secret zombietime link.
Cripes!
That was a jaw-hits-floor moment!
Thanks!
| 640 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:48pm |
re: #635 Ben Hur
I think he changed it to 6,000.
| 642 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:04:53pm |
| 643 |
Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:05:03pm |
re: #621 DaddyG
Mexico’s hillbilly drug smugglers have morphed into a raging insurgency. Violence claimed more lives there last year alone than all the Americans killed in the war in Iraq. And there’s no end in sight.
| 644 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:05:44pm |
re: #615 subsailor68
Carol Burnett show, IIRC..."Votch out for the verevolves and wampires".
| 645 |
PISSED Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:05:47pm |
re: #623 loppyd
I'm sure that they want to get there hands on everything,, like our fearless Deva.... Urkel.. here in mASSbackwards...
| 646 |
joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:01pm |
re: #629 Occasional Reader
I think he means that it might be necessary to intervene militarily in Mexico. I'd really, really rather not but I wish the border were more secure.
| 647 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:14pm |
| 648 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:18pm |
re: #634 PISSED
It's still ammo, thank you. You wouldn't think it could happen but you never know what stunt they'll pull next.
| 649 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:21pm |
I think we need some fresh air.
*looks around for an afternoon open thread
| 650 |
Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:22pm |
| 651 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:55pm |
re: #646 joncelli
I think he means that it might be necessary to intervene militarily in Mexico.
Ah.
Well, if so, I call "dibs" on Puerto Vallarta.
| 652 |
Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:06:55pm |
re: #642 Occasional Reader
"3Wood 3Wood 3Wood!"
-Jan Brady
Refund?!?
Refund?!?
REfund?!?
/name that one!
| 653 |
Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:07:04pm |
re: #603 Occasional Reader
"Werewolve" of course being the singular form of "werewolves".
[sigh]
Inga: Werewolf!
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Werewolf?
Igor: There.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: What?
Igor: There, wolf. There, castle.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Why are you talking that way?
Igor: I thought you wanted to.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No, I don't want to.
Igor: [shrugs] Suit yourself. I'm easy.
| 654 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:03pm |
Via Michelle Malkin Via Hot Air
Tell me how a bus driver thought she could afford an $800,000 house again?
| 655 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:11pm |
re: #634 PISSED
heres a link to one website... not sure of veracity...
google confiscate 401k's or something along those lines...
IMHO there isnt going to be any retirement if this continues...
[Link: www.jbs.org...]
While the John Birch Society is not an org I have any affection for, this is true. It began with testimony:
"The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration."
Not sure where it stands at this point.
| 656 |
Pupdawg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:35pm |
re: #1 beblebrox
the world weirdest rollercoaster. it only goes down!
...but for the delusional Dems down is up!
| 657 |
DeafDog Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:40pm |
Want "Hope and Change"? Buy a Goat
...
{The bunch line is that you'll then be happier when you sell the goat, like the country will be happier when we get rid of Zero}
| 658 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:46pm |
re: #650 Ben Hur
Crikey.
When I see a drop of close to 200 so far today, I have to remind myself of how large that is. It's the equivalent of 400 points 6 months ago when the market was twice its current value.
| 659 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:51pm |
re: #630 Kosh's Shadow
What knockers!
Well if this is going to turn into a boob thread, I just have to say Adrienne Barbeau and Mimi Rogers.
| 660 |
Ojoe Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:52pm |
"Down" with politicians and crooked financiers.
I hope there's lots of food in the food banks.
| 661 |
day734380 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:57pm |
Brown and BO joined at the hip... Take a look at Great Britain today... This is your immediate future... It also appears that BO camp had to stimulate Biden to do what the Republicans refused... (Thumpty, thump)
| 662 |
jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:58pm |
re: #618 kansas
Wait, do these fuckers think the Dow is like golf? Low score wins? Somebody call them.
Only rich people have stocks.
This brings them down a peg.
Besides economics is constructed by the bourgeoisie to keep the proletariat down.
////
| 663 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:08:58pm |
re: #654 loppyd
Via Michelle Malkin Via Hot Air
Tell me how a bus driver thought she could afford an $800,000 house again?
Maybe his was the bus 0bama threw everyone under. Extra pay for that.
/do I need to?
| 664 |
Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:19pm |
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
| 665 |
Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:26pm |
re: #647 Occasional Reader
Who are we to crticize their richly diverse cultural practices?
I think the Mex government is intentionally letting the situation get as bad as it can possibly get so that WE will pay for the helicopters, etc, training etc, to take on the cartels.
Just like in Colombia.
| 666 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:43pm |
| 668 |
Pupdawg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:52pm |
re: #4 Raven1
Obama has a plan. To destroy capitalism.
...and it's going rather nicely in Wharp Drive speed, too.
| 669 |
gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:52pm |
Coyote Blog > Good News, Really
Believe it or not, I think this picture is actually good news:
[see article for graph]
This is a little flawed, since we would expect a constant trend to be a constant percent increase each year, which would be upward curving on this chart, not a straight line trend (it would be straight on a log scale). Never-the-less, it makes a point (by the way, it is interesting the 1980’s are considered the decade of greed on Wall Street rather than the 1990s, from this chart).
Here is a better way to make my point. We get a similar chart if we look at PE ratios for the S&P500 (the chart below is on trailing 10 year average earnings).
[see article for graph]
Why is this anything but depressing? Because I get the sense that many people, without any other general indicator of how bad things are in the financial markets, are using the steep drops in the stock market as a proxy measure. The stock market looks like a disaster, so everything else must be a disaster.
But in a large sense, at least so far, all the stock market has done in the last 2 weeks is return to historical norms. This tells me that there is nothing about the current level of the stock market that is screaming disaster signals. In fact, the current level of the stock market is screaming normalcy.
Of course, this does not mean the drop will stop here. PE’s in the worst of times have headed on down to 5 (which would be about DOW 3000, yuk). And corrections seldom stop at the mean - they usually over-correct on below the mean. But seen on these charts, this recent move looks more like the completion of the correction to the late 1990’s bubble rather than necessarily an indicator of current financial disaster.
| 670 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:09:55pm |
7100 looks like it will stand for today at least.
Dems sold the American Dream to people who could not afford the payments, and now they want to impoverish us all.
| 671 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:10:08pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
Given your description why am I not surprised that your paid for the lunch?
| 672 |
A Kiwi Infidel Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:10:14pm |
OT, was catching up on the baby Gorilla thread and I see a late post #416 that suggests that the wee fella should be named after a certain POTUS. I suspect is was not meant in jest. May I suggest a clean up?
| 674 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:14pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
He let you pay?
| 675 |
Oh no...Sand People! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:17pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
You should write a book about your dates. It would be a good read. Painful...yet entertaining in a painful sort of way....
| 676 |
Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:26pm |
re: #649 Ford_Prefect
I think we need some fresh air.
*looks around for an afternoon open thread
Did someone say fresh air?
Set up to price pollution out of existence, carbon trading is pricing it back in. Europe's carbon markets are in collapse.
Yet the hiss of escaping gas is almost inaudible. There's no big news headline, nothing sensational for TV viewers to watch; no queues outside banks or missing Texan showmen. You can't see or hear a market for a pollutant tumble. But at stake is what was supposed to be a central lever in the world's effort to turn back climate change. Intended to price fossil fuels out of the market, the system is instead turning them into the rational economic choice.
| 677 |
rightwinger3 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:30pm |
re: #585 kansas
Plot the Dow since Jan 20th. When does O take the responsibility for this mess?
Yeah, that will happen.
| 678 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:33pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
Did you know that he was an Obama supporter before you agreed to meet him?
| 679 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:48pm |
re: #654 loppyd
*shakes head*
You could add our starter house, our current house and Mother Blonde's house and we wouldn't hit $800k! If I couldn't afford a house, Mr. Blonde, the Blonde kittehs and puppy and I would pile in an apartment! It would be hard but there it is!
When did this start?
| 680 |
tackle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:51pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
You paid? Loser.
| 681 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:11:58pm |
re: #629 Occasional Reader
Huh?
The only people winning against the cartels in Mexico are the Mexican military.
If Mexico continues to slide downhill, you will see American troops on the border at some point. There will be no other choice. Kidnapping as a cottage industry has spread from Mexico and is on the rise in Phoenix and El Paso.
| 682 |
Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:07pm |
| 683 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:10pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
Did you know this before the date?
| 684 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:12pm |
re: #554 tackle
Just curious, has anyone here cashed in their 401K? Been considering it but don't like the tax hit.
I have heard that it is better to roll it into an IRA and then take just what you need. I'm not an investment adviser myself, so take that for what its worth.
| 685 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:22pm |
re: #663 Kosh's Shadow
Maybe his was the bus 0bama threw everyone under. Extra pay for that.
/do I need to?
Did you see the kitchen with the high end cabinets and stainless appliances?
Makes me crazy.
| 687 |
Empire1 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:34pm |
re: #480 The Pulchritudinous Patriot
So, is it just me, or would you rather have Voldemort as President then BO?
After judicious consideration -- yes, I believe so.
| 688 |
brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:44pm |
re: #658 MJBrutus
When I see a drop of close to 200 so far today, I have to remind myself of how large that is. It's the equivalent of 400 points 6 months ago when the market was twice its current value.
Well, it might just be time to admit what is really happening.
| 689 |
Ojoe Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:12:44pm |
re: #676 Leonidas Hoplite
Since methane contains carbon and farts contain methane get ready for them to tax your ass.
| 690 |
yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:07pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
Hiya, {Afrocity}!
Sorry to hear about that lunch - perhaps you need to throw out some bait questions re PB0 when next you meet someone online, and ebfore you meet him for lunch?
Sorta like separating sheep from goats ...
| 691 |
Pupdawg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:10pm |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
Take what you have left and head to New Zealand...they're looking for new citizens.
| 692 |
gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:14pm |
re: #654 loppyd
Via Michelle Malkin Via Hot Air
Tell me how a bus driver thought she could afford an $800,000 house again?
OK, this video is going right in my special archives, along with Peggy Joseph, and the "We Not Rich" lady:
| 693 |
Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:14pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
Did you know he was an Obama supporter before you met him?
| 694 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:16pm |
| 695 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:19pm |
re: #679 Chicago Blonde
*shakes head*
You could add our starter house, our current house and Mother Blonde's house and we wouldn't hit $800k! If I couldn't afford a house, Mr. Blonde, the Blonde kittehs and puppy and I would pile in an apartment! It would be hard but there it is!When did this start?
Community Reinvestment Act under Carter, strengthened by Clinton.
| 696 |
tackle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:19pm |
re: #684 Creeping Eruption
I have heard that it is better to roll it into an IRA and then take just what you need. I'm not an investment adviser myself, so take that for what its worth.
Thanks. I wonder if I could do that and still count in on last year's taxes (I haven't filed yet.) Got to call my accountant.
| 697 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:21pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
Hey City! Four out of the five people I have spoken of, regarding the apparent "gayness" (NTTAWWT) of Mathis.
We've been pretty shocked.
| 698 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:22pm |
re: #689 Ojoe
Does Biden get a hit for bloviating or is he exempt/spayshul?
| 699 |
joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:25pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
Should have made him pay the bill. He's the one that wants to redistribute the wealth.
| 700 |
NukeAtomrod Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:31pm |
re: #570 zombie
You do good work, Zombie. Your photo essays are eye-opening.
I really wish I had taken your advice (multiple warnings) about the Up Your Alley Fair page... Now that I've seen it, I can't unsee it.
You've helped me realize that the overall monster of politics is the Activist. Once someone becomes an activist, the truth takes a back seat to the cause (whatever it may be.)
Keep it up!
| 701 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:39pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
I'm so sorry..How did you get talking about politics your first date?
You'll find a good guy..I know it..
| 702 |
midwestgak Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:44pm |
| 703 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:13:53pm |
re: #665 Ben Hur
I think the Mex government is intentionally letting the situation get as bad as it can possibly get so that WE will pay for the helicopters, etc, training etc, to take on the cartels.
Just like in Colombia.
I think you believe too much in the ability of the Mexican government to control the situation. I doubt "let" is the operative verb here, any more than it was in Colombia.
| 704 |
jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:03pm |
re: #689 Ojoe
Since methane contains carbon and farts contain methane get ready for them to tax your ass.
They'll have to capture it for measurement. Human version undergoing trials.
| 705 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:26pm |
re: #655 subsailor68
One other observation on the GRA proposals, get a load of this idea:
Analysts point to another disturbing part of the plan. With a GRA, workers could bequeath only half of their account balances to their heirs, unlike full balances from existing 401(k) and IRA accounts. For workers who die after retiring, they could bequeath just their own contributions plus the interest but minus any benefits received and minus the employer contributions.
| 706 |
tackle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:26pm |
re: #694 CyanSnowHawk
That's rough tackle. Sometimes it's worth it to pay and go home.
Sorry - should have been more specific. Afrocity was not the loser on this date :)
| 707 |
Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:38pm |
re: #666 Occasional Reader
Nope. Ya got me.
Breaking Away.
Father is used car salesman and takes his bike riding weird son on to work.
Car gets pushed back onto the lot, the father says, "No refunds" and his kid says that if you gave your word, you have to take the car back.
The next scene is the father in bed with a doctor sitting over him and he wakes up saying over and over, Refund!?! Refund>!>!
Some funny sh*t.
| 709 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:53pm |
re: #699 joncelli
Should have made him pay the bill. He's the one that wants to redistribute the wealth.
Remember, they only want to redistribute other people's wealth.
| 710 |
Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:14:54pm |
re: #678 Ford_Prefect
Did you know that he was an Obama supporter before you agreed to meet him?
No. Our match percentage was 76% which is good. During the date he said he was self employed but had not had any work come through. So I figured do my part for the economy and pay...
He said America owed him an education.
| 711 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:04pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
*wishing she could share her Almond Roca through the computer*
I'm sorry.
| 712 |
FrogMarch Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:07pm |
I just heard on the radio that Obama is now going to attempt a "Pay as we go" fiscal plan? More mental gymnastics and rhetorical deception.
How is that possible after singing into LAW a $800-Billion dollar pork bill?
What a pant load.
| 713 |
brookly red Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:10pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
Well, your probably paying for a lot more than his lunch...
| 714 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:39pm |
re: #692 gmsc
OK, this video is going right in my special archives, along with Peggy Joseph, and the "We Not Rich" lady:
I had never heard the whole "We not rich" clip! I had no idea it was over her massive SUV being repossessed.
| 715 |
nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:42pm |
re: #701 HoosierHoops
I'm so sorry..How did you get talking about politics your first date?
You'll find a good guy..I know it..
Yeah, every woman deserves to. Every time my wife swears she is gonna meet one eventually, I wish her good luck.
| 716 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:44pm |
re: #705 subsailor68
One other observation on the GRA proposals, get a load of this idea:
Analysts point to another disturbing part of the plan. With a GRA, workers could bequeath only half of their account balances to their heirs, unlike full balances from existing 401(k) and IRA accounts. For workers who die after retiring, they could bequeath just their own contributions plus the interest but minus any benefits received and minus the employer contributions.
Complete confiscation of wealth.
| 717 |
onslow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:15:59pm |
re: #504 zombie
I assume the market will rebound within your friend's lifetime. I also agree that selling now would be a mistake and would reduce his investable assets.
He might even consider reinvesting his dividends in currently cheap shares, anticipating a rise in share prices in the future.
That's my strategy.
(But I could be wrong.)
| 719 |
cimom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:11pm |
re: #546 yma o hyd
My daughter thinks her cat could beat up basement kitty. She's a very tough little cat who hasn't quite figured out that she's the smallest member of the household, and she'd be nasty if she hadn't been loved to death while she was growing up.
| 720 |
jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:23pm |
re: #708 Ojoe
I don't think I want to click on that ...
It's the article about capturing methane from cows. Cow has a huge pink plastic bag on it back.
| 721 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:29pm |
re: #707 Ben Hur
GREAT MOVIE... Dennis Quaid, what twenty years old?
And I still think Mooch looks like Steve Nash.
| 722 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:37pm |
re: #712 FrogMarch
I just heard on the radio that Obama is now going to attempt a "Pay as we go" fiscal plan? More mental gymnastics and rhetorical deception.
How is that possible after singing into LAW a $800-Billion dollar pork bill?
What a pant load.
You must have forgotten to look up what that means on your liberal decoder ring. PAYGO never means spend less, it means we have to raise your taxes!
| 723 |
Irenike Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:38pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
Why did you have to pay for lunch? Why didn't he pay for it? Unless, of course, you just wanted to get out of there as fast as possible . . .
| 724 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:16:53pm |
re: #701 HoosierHoops
How did you get talking about politics your first date?
To Obamaniacs, talking about The One isn't really "talking about politics". It's more like... they just want to share their joyful, narcotically happy spiritual life with you.
| 725 |
Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:03pm |
re: #680 tackle
You paid? Loser.
That wasn't very nice.
There are lots of reasons to pay the check on a date. One of the most appealing, especially in a case like this, is that it's often the fastest way to get the hell out of there.
| 726 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:09pm |
re: #718 Chicago Blonde
///But she neeeeeeeeeeeds an SUV...
and I think I heard her say she was only a couple thousand behind so what's the big deal?
| 727 |
Dragonwolf Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:40pm |
re: #332 Occasional Reader
So, what's it like to work for Smith & Wesson?
I was guessing Jack Daniels
| 728 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:45pm |
re: #725 Last Mohican
Obama supporter. Probably forgot his wallet anyway.
| 729 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:56pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
Ouch, talked to death and had to pay for the pleasure.
{Afrocity}
| 730 |
tackle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:56pm |
re: #725 Last Mohican
That wasn't very nice.
There are lots of reasons to pay the check on a date. One of the most appealing, especially in a case like this, is that it's often the fastest way to get the hell out of there.
Ug. Again, I'm sorry. It came out wrong. Was referring to the other guy.
| 731 |
yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:17:59pm |
re: #705 subsailor68
One other observation on the GRA proposals, get a load of this idea:
Analysts point to another disturbing part of the plan. With a GRA, workers could bequeath only half of their account balances to their heirs, unlike full balances from existing 401(k) and IRA accounts. For workers who die after retiring, they could bequeath just their own contributions plus the interest but minus any benefits received and minus the employer contributions.
At least they can still bequeath something ...
Here, people are forced to buy annuities after they're 75 - which pay out very badly now, and they cannot bequeath anything from that sum.
| 732 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:01pm |
re: #710 Afrocity
OK. Let me get this straight. He is not a US citizen, but America owes him an education? What America 'owes him' is a swift kick in the *ss right back to where he came from.
What sight are you networking on anyway? Jerks 'R' Us?
| 733 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:02pm |
re: #716 MandyManners
Complete confiscation of wealth.
That's my take too. Tank the market, confiscate 401(k)'s and IRA's. Put the money in a fund managed by the SSA. Borrow the money from SSA for additional "program" funding - replacing them with the ever-popular treasury bills (e.g. IOU's) and keep on truckin'.
Very bad.
| 734 |
quickjustice Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:05pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
He made assumptions about you based on your race. That's insulting.
| 735 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:12pm |
re: #725 Last Mohican
That wasn't very nice.
There are lots of reasons to pay the check on a date. One of the most appealing, especially in a case like this, is that it's often the fastest way to get the hell out of there.
The poster already apologized for the misunderstanding. He was referring to the "free lunch" date as the loser.
| 736 |
joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:17pm |
re: #710 Afrocity
He said America owed him an education.
I take back my original statement; you were right to do whatever it took to get away.
| 739 |
Irenike Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:22pm |
re: #712 FrogMarch
I just heard on the radio that Obama is now going to attempt a "Pay as we go" fiscal plan? More mental gymnastics and rhetorical deception.
Isn't this exactly the kind of monkey business Matoff got arrested for? Seriously. I don't see the difference. It's a crime either way.
| 740 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:34pm |
re: #725 Last Mohican
That wasn't very nice.
There are lots of reasons to pay the check on a date. One of the most appealing, especially in a case like this, is that it's often the fastest way to get the hell out of there.
tackle explained the comment, pointing out that the guy that didn't pay was the loser.
| 741 |
A Kiwi Infidel Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:42pm |
re: #691 Pupdawg
Take what you have left and head to New Zealand...they're looking for new citizens.
Are we? We might be and I know we take in our "fair" share of some of the more less desireables. Certainly, now is the time to buy property and at reasonable prices combined with an exchange rate that gives 2 NZ$
for every $US
Job markets are getting shaky however, especially in the finance and services sectors. The rural sector is screaming out for farm managers down to hands.
| 742 |
DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:18:54pm |
re: #522 subsailor68
For all lizards concerned about what's happening in Mexico, just consider this:
Lovely. Just freakin' lovely.
Suddenly I'm hoping my kid gets his mission call to Bogota rather than Mesa. Interesting times indeed.
| 744 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:17pm |
re: #710 Afrocity
No. Our match percentage was 76% which is good. During the date he said he was self employed but had not had any work come through. So I figured do my part for the economy and pay...
He said America owed him an education.
Ewwww, keeps getting worse and worse. I feel for ya, big time.
| 745 |
FrogMarch Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:24pm |
re: #722 MJBrutus
You must have forgotten to look up what that means on your liberal decoder ring. PAYGO never means spend less, it means we have to raise your taxes!
Oh I know - that's why I said "What a pant load."
and raising taxes on those evil rich is such a great way to stimulate the economy!
////// the left's economic myopia
| 746 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:34pm |
re: #731 yma o hyd
At least they can still bequeath something ...
Here, people are forced to buy annuities after they're 75 - which pay out very badly now, and they cannot bequeath anything from that sum.
Shh! yma, let's keep that between us. Don't want to give them any ideas.
;-)
| 747 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:35pm |
re: #726 loppyd
We're going to be entitled to death, aren't we?
| 748 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:38pm |
| 749 |
Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:44pm |
re: #724 Occasional Reader
To Obamaniacs, talking about The One isn't really "talking about politics". It's more like... they just want to share their joyful, narcotically happy spiritual life with you.
Right, It was not a political conversation. I have a tote that says "shop local" so we talked about my support of mom and pop stores. he went on praising Obama and how fortunate my country is to have him. I did not agree. To me silence would have been a lie.
| 750 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:50pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
Sorry to hear it. Don't give up on our gender quite yet.
Regarding the online thing, don't a lot of date sites have you specify political leanings? If so, avoid the ones that self-identify as "liberal". Problem solved... or ameliorated, anyway.
| 751 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:54pm |
re: #738 Dustyvet
Mentioned him earlier.... heh.
| 752 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:19:56pm |
re: #704 jcm
They'll have to capture it for measurement. Human version undergoing trials.
| 753 |
Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:00pm |
re: #730 tackle
Ug. Again, I'm sorry. It came out wrong. Was referring to the other guy.
Oops, didn't see the above explanation.
I'm sorry for my misunderstanding.
| 754 |
J.S. Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:05pm |
re: #570 zombie
about investments, etc. (I'm not an expert by any means, but here are my thoughts)... If all of your money is tied up in stocks, then clearly, your portfolio is not diversified...that's not good.
There was a program on PBS a couple of months ago which discussed "Functional Asset Allocation Theory." (it's actually, in a way, connected to what the Talmud recommends).. So, imagine a bell curve (or a normal distribution). Now, on the left-hand side is when the economy is in recession (how do you protect yourself from deflation?), on the right-hand side is when the economy is in inflation (how do you protect yourself from inflation?), and the middle portion is when the economy is "just right" (prosperous times) ...The trick is to buffer yourself on all three flanks. Thus, the Talmud advises, invest 1/3 in land, invest 1/3 in a business, and have 1/3 stashed in reserves. With regard to the fellow who is tied up in the stock market, perhaps take some of it out (that's some, not all) and go to a more secure investment -- which would be U.S. treasury bonds...at least the return is guaranteed.
| 755 |
Logic Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:12pm |
I think we're going below 5000 in 2009 - and then maybe even lower after that.
Scary times indeed.
| 756 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:29pm |
re: #725 Last Mohican
That wasn't very nice.
There are lots of reasons to pay the check on a date. One of the most appealing, especially in a case like this, is that it's often the fastest way to get the hell out of there.
Tackle clariffied he was talking about the guy on the date..
| 757 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:53pm |
re: #749 Afrocity
Right, It was not a political conversation. I have a tote that says "shop local" so we talked about my support of mom and pop stores. he went on praising Obama and how fortunate my country is to have him. I did not agree. To me silence would have been a lie.
Good for you.
| 760 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:20:58pm |
| 761 |
PISSED Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:03pm |
re: #752 MandyManners
Mandy I think they should put a HUGE one of those over the senate and house... tons of emissions there!
| 762 |
gmsc Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:10pm |
| 763 |
yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:12pm |
re: #719 cimom
Aww - trust your daughter to know about basement cat!
Yep - upbringing, with lots of love and patience, is as important for our pets as it is for our children.
Did I say that thats one very beautiful kitteh?
| 764 |
Salem Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:15pm |
Well, I've had to give up on Rush. He's clearly hitched his wagon to the Jindal train. You just screwed the pooch, Rush.
| 765 |
jordash1212 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:16pm |
Anyone know why when I try to join the 'lounge' I get the message 'Disconnected' before I even join. I've tried on I.E., Firefox, and Opera all getting the same error.
| 766 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:32pm |
re: #749 Afrocity
Right, It was not a political conversation. I have a tote that says "shop local" so we talked about my support of mom and pop stores. he went on praising Obama and how fortunate my country is to have him. I did not agree. To me silence would have been a lie.
Glad you stuck up for your principles.
| 768 |
doppelganglander Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:21:57pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
I just had a bad lunch date. I met this guy on line and he was an Obama supporter. He was not a US citizen but talked up Obama. I paid for the lunch and left.
I feel for you. Stories like this make me so happy to be married.
| 769 |
A Kiwi Infidel Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:05pm |
re: #720 jcm
It's the article about capturing methane from cows. Cow has a huge pink plastic bag on it back.
The methane atually comes more from the belching than the other end.
| 770 |
quickjustice Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:08pm |
re: #749 Afrocity
I've date Democrats (I'm in NYC) who were very pleasant. If they're committed ideologues for whom politics is really important, it doesn't bode well for the relationship.
| 771 |
jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:29pm |
“If we agree on 90 percent of this stuff, and we're spending all our time on television arguing about 1, 2, 3 percent of the spending in this thing … that starts sounding more like politics,” Obama said, adding: “There's going to be ample time for campaigns down the road.”
I disagree with it 100%
It is politics, that where you argue about this stuff.
You were elected President, not Captain of the Enterprise. Just because you say "Make it so!" and wave your hand doesn't mead diddly squat.
| 772 |
DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:39pm |
re: #629 Occasional Reader
Huh?
If the Mexican border becomes too violent and we continue to have incursions we may have to put more troops on the border. Even before we head that direction we will have to deal with that mess one way or another. Of course the current administration will welcome our harmless fuzzy and warm neighbors to march right in and set up housekeeping. We already have a growing gang problem in the rural and suburban counties north of Atlanta. Two guesses who they are and the first one doesn't count.
| 773 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:42pm |
re: #733 subsailor68
That's my take too. Tank the market, confiscate 401(k)'s and IRA's. Put the money in a fund managed by the SSA. Borrow the money from SSA for additional "program" funding - replacing them with the ever-popular treasury bills (e.g. IOU's) and keep on truckin'.
Very bad.
I hope everyone who refused to vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.
| 774 |
tackle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:22:49pm |
re: #764 Salem
Well, I've had to give up on Rush. He's clearly hitched his wagon to the Jindal train. You just screwed the pooch, Rush.
Really? Maybe I don't listen to Rush enough, but he doesn't strike me as a hardcore social conservative. Interesting.
| 776 |
Pupdawg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:04pm |
re: #24 Ward Cleaver
So what will the MSM blame it on today? They've steadfastly avoided blaming any of the fall on Obama's actions.
The old MSM tried and true 'failed policies of Bush' would be my first guess 'cause you know who can never be you know what or called out on any feasance mal or otherwise...to ever do so would be what some are calling any and all criticism of the stimulus bill....racially motivated...Americans, cowards one and all!
| 777 |
doppelganglander Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:30pm |
re: #758 Wendya
You're going to get that deleted because I got deleted. If it was for language, I apologize.
| 778 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:31pm |
re: #759 Afrocity
Okay Cupid, E-harmony
I've always suspected that E-Harmony's supposed "system" was a load of cowflops.
| 779 |
Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:37pm |
re: #760 Occasional Reader
Good lord. Did he explain why?
Well because American has the resources to provide an education to all. This is my fault because he said during the conversation physical year when he meant "fiscal year" and I corrected him. So he said I have not been afforded your education.
| 780 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:23:42pm |
re: #755 Logic
I think we're going below 5000 in 2009 - and then maybe even lower after that.
Scary times indeed.
I think we'll see 5000 too, but not this year. Pumping trillions in to the economy will keep it breathing while the money is flowing. The worst times will come the morning after the big bucks are no longer providing artificial life support.
| 784 |
nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:24pm |
U.S. plans to pledge $900 million for Gaza'
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
The Idiocy of this is almost unexplainable.
"The money will be channeled through UN"---And that's suppose to make me feel better?
| 786 |
DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:27pm |
re: #769 A Kiwi Infidel
The methane atually comes more from the belching than the other end.
Just bag the whole cow - no more methane emissions - problem solved.
/moonbat global warming cooling change scientist
| 787 |
latingent Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:30pm |
Buy tangible gold (coins that represent weight only, as numismatic value will go out the window very soon) silver (bars and coin), ammo, non perishable food, storable water and an RV. The fan is spinning and Barry has his butt pointed right at it.
| 788 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:35pm |
re: #759 Afrocity
Well, hang in there Afro. We aren't all bad.
| 790 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:55pm |
re: #777 doppelganglander
You're going to get that deleted because I got deleted. If it was for language, I apologize.
Quite a cascade I am afraid
| 791 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:24:59pm |
re: #779 Afrocity
Did he walk funny with the chip on his shoulder and all?
| 792 |
nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:04pm |
Somebody is trying to make a statement I think?
| 793 |
DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:05pm |
re: #773 MandyManners
I hope everyone who refused to vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.
That will never get old.
| 795 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:13pm |
re: #773 MandyManners
I hope everyone who refused to vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.
Don't look at me. I even campaigned for the guy....in the rain and the sleet and freezing cold. :~)
| 796 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:15pm |
re: #754 J.S.
There's wisdom in the Talmud for sure (although I'm no expert). But I'm a little iffy on Treasury Bonds right now...given that someone (hmm...the taxpayers) end up covering the payments/interest. At some point, I think we need to get away from putting private capital into government "investments". Whether it's taxes, government bonds, whatever, it is money leaving the private sector - never to return.
(Just my take on it.)
| 798 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:23pm |
2 more deletions, and the market is down 7100.
NOT ME THIS TIME
| 799 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:27pm |
I am sensing a disturbance in the force.
| 800 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:42pm |
re: #779 Afrocity
Well because American has the resources to provide an education to all. This is my fault because he said during the conversation physical year when he meant "fiscal year" and I corrected him. So he said I have not been afforded your education.
What in the world? Does he think college degrees fall from trees?
| 801 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:25:59pm |
re: #777 doppelganglander
You're going to get that deleted because I got deleted. If it was for language, I apologize.
The T-word is frowned upon by Stinky.
| 802 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:03pm |
re: #773 MandyManners
Glad I can finally upding that...
| 803 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:19pm |
re: #779 Afrocity
Well because American has the resources to provide an education to all. This is my fault because he said during the conversation physical year when he meant "fiscal year" and I corrected him. So he said I have not been afforded your education.
It's good of him to be so generous with other people's money.
And how terribly rude of you to show off your fancy education to him!
/
| 804 |
yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:27pm |
re: #746 subsailor68
Shh! yma, let's keep that between us. Don't want to give them any ideas.
;-)
I think PB0's 'advisers' are in close contact with Gord's NuLab regime anyway.
So far they've done just as Gord would have them do - and just as he's been doing since 1997.
Worked out so well for us ...
| 805 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:27pm |
re: #773 MandyManners
I hope everyone who refused to vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now.
Amen!
| 808 |
doppelganglander Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:26:58pm |
re: #790 Creeping Eruption
Quite a cascade I am afraid
So I guess not everyone was offended, but if Stinky says no, there's no appeal.
But I will say, I'll bet Louis Berry's preschool teacher did not teach him you can't just grab other people's toys.
| 809 |
Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:27:02pm |
re: #791 Chicago Blonde
LOL. I should have known when his byline said:
Even tho I consider my self an atheist most of the time Im gone quote the bible if there are things that you want to know about me "Ask and you shall receive"
| 810 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:27:27pm |
re: #765 jordash1212
Anyone know why when I try to join the 'lounge' I get the message 'Disconnected' before I even join. I've tried on I.E., Firefox, and Opera all getting the same error.
You might want to see if there is an update for java available. Most connection problems are due to java issues.
| 811 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:27:30pm |
| 812 |
Harry Tuttle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:27:56pm |
re: #655 subsailor68
While the John Birch Society is not an org I have any affection for, this is true. It began with testimony:
"The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration."
Not sure where it stands at this point.
Mark Levin had her on his show back in Late Nov I think.
They are very serious about this, no it's not on the hot plate right now... Just wait.
| 813 |
NukeAtomrod Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:27:57pm |
re: #710 Afrocity
No. Our match percentage was 76% which is good. During the date he said he was self employed but had not had any work come through. So I figured do my part for the economy and pay...
He said America owed him an education.
Sounds like a "Wait right here. I'm just going to run out to the car and get something to show you. - (And then don't come back.)" moment.
| 814 |
nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:01pm |
With a half hour to go, what are the odds we break thru 7100?
| 815 |
Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:05pm |
re: #808 doppelganglander
So I guess not everyone was offended, but if Stinky says no, there's no appeal.
But I will say, I'll bet Louis Berry's preschool teacher did not teach him you can't just grab other people's toys.
Clean it up and repost.
| 816 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:11pm |
| 817 |
Pupdawg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:18pm |
re: #741 A Kiwi Infidel
Are we? We might be and I know we take in our "fair" share of some of the more less desireables. Certainly, now is the time to buy property and at reasonable prices combined with an exchange rate that gives 2 NZ$
for every $USJob markets are getting shaky however, especially in the finance and services sectors. The rural sector is screaming out for farm managers down to hands.
What's the 'open arms' climate in Australia like these days?
BTW, dig the Kiwi Infidel name!
| 818 |
Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:31pm |
re: #801 CyanSnowHawk
The T-word is frowned upon by Stinky.
Hmm. I didn't see it before it got deleted. Hope I don't accidentally type it sometime.
| 819 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:31pm |
I totally missed the cascading deletions. "T-word"... hmm. Tyrannosaurus? Transsexual? Transsexual Tyrannosaurus?
| 821 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:42pm |
| 822 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:45pm |
| 823 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:48pm |
re: #779 Afrocity
Well because American has the resources to provide an education to all. This is my fault because he said during the conversation physical year when he meant "fiscal year" and I corrected him. So he said I have not been afforded your education.
Sometimes I just wish that all the "entitled" people in this country would just get together some day in a big room and come up with a list of what they think we "owe" them, with a dollar amount that would cover it all. I think it would be cheaper to just write a check (which would probably be less than the Porkulus bill) and send them on their way.
| 824 |
DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:51pm |
re: #799 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am sensing a disturbance in the force.
...like millions of 401k accounts were suddenly silenced.
| 825 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:28:54pm |
Via JWF:
Sorry if this is a repeat from earlier today, but it's so great it's a worth a re-post!
Awesome! UConn Coach Jim Calhoun Goes Nuclear on Activist Reporter
| 827 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:00pm |
re: #784 nevergiveup
U.S. plans to pledge $900 million for Gaza'
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
The Idiocy of this is almost unexplainable.
"The money will be channeled through UN"---And that's suppose to make me feel better?
I wrote to my rep, Tsongas, and my senators, John F*ing Kerry, and Teddy (I can swim) Kennedy, saying that Israel should be able to get compensation for terrorist attacks from all money given to the Paliterrorists.
I got back typical trying to please everyone responses from Tsongas and Kennedy; nothing from Kerry. Doesn't surprise me he's sucking up to Assad.
But I still think that is a good idea. Actually, I'd go further. The US gives NO money to the palis until they accept Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.
Then, we allow Israel to sue in US courts any entity with presence in the US that gives anything to the Palis, for all terrorist damages.
And this would include allowing Israel to sue the UN.
| 828 |
Salem Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:02pm |
re: #774 tackle
Really? Maybe I don't listen to Rush enough, but he doesn't strike me as a hardcore social conservative. Interesting.
Well, he has a long time to wise up, I guess. But it's just too sad to hear him talking Jindal up as the shining hope of the party. Someone needs to ask him what happens to a presidential candidate that believes in exorcism. It would really be interesting to hear him address it. But I'm not tuning in to him for awhile.
| 829 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:11pm |
re: #817 Pupdawg
What's the 'open arms' climate in Australia like these days?
BTW, dig the Kiwi Infidel name!
If you bring arms, they ain't open.
| 830 |
Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:11pm |
re: #814 nevergiveup
With a half hour to go, what are the odds we break thru 7100?
Probably not today. But one the "Biden as Stimulus Czar" sinks in.....
| 831 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:15pm |
re: #819 Occasional Reader
I totally missed the cascading deletions. "T-word"... hmm. Tyrannosaurus? Transsexual? Transsexual Tyrannosaurus?
Are we that gullible? Does it show?
| 833 |
DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:19pm |
| 834 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:27pm |
re: #809 Afrocity
....must...fight...rising...gorge....
| 835 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:32pm |
re: #812 Harry Tuttle
Mark Levin had her on his show back in Late Nov I think.
They are very serious about this, no it's not on the hot plate right now... Just wait.
Thanks! Yeah, from what I looked for, it does seem to be sitting in the background just percolating away for now. But you're right - just wait.
| 836 |
Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:36pm |
re: #795 loppyd
Don't look at me. I even campaigned for the guy....in the rain and the sleet and freezing cold. :~)
and in Massachusetts no less.
| 837 |
kansas Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:40pm |
re: #670 FurryOldGuyJeans
7100 looks like it will stand for today at least.
Dems sold the American Dream to people who could not afford the payments, and now they want to impoverish us all.
Got 30 minutes left, why so optimistic?
| 838 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:56pm |
| 839 |
Unakite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:29:57pm |
DOW down 237.83. Another 128 and the DOW will break 7000. I may be wrong, but I don't think this is the barrier that the "stimulus" was supposed to be breaking.
| 840 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:05pm |
re: #795 loppyd
Absolutely!
Who would borrow money from companies named Freddie
an Fanny anyway!
Might well have named them Huey and Louie!
Or Tito...
Or..........etc........
| 841 |
J.S. Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:08pm |
re: #796 subsailor68
Yes. You need something 100 percent "safe." Keeping something "in reserve" would be the equivalent of having food stored up in the pantry...(even money kept under a mattress wouldn't necessarily be "safe" if rampant inflation took place.)
| 843 |
nyc redneck Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:23pm |
re: #808 doppelganglander
So I guess not everyone was offended, but if Stinky says no, there's no appeal.
But I will say, I'll bet Louis Berry's preschool teacher did not teach him you can't just grab other people's toys.
what happened?
| 844 |
yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:27pm |
| 845 |
Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:29pm |
| 846 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:34pm |
re: #827 Kosh's Shadow
Are you on a special list? I swear I am.
| 847 |
Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:35pm |
re: #811 Occasional Reader
So it's at about zero?
/
Oh. We got us a smarty mouth here folks. What do we do with smarty mouths?
| 848 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:30:38pm |
re: #814 nevergiveup
With a half hour to go, what are the odds we break thru 7100?
It was at 7142 moments ago. I'd say pretty good for that unless there's some bargain shopping to close the day.
| 851 |
SunshineGirl Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:00pm |
What President Obama doesn't know-- because he doesn't read history-- is that a President's term in office is defined by how he handles the unexpected, and the unforeseen consequences. The market's meltdown is a defining moment for this President. His failure to lead, and his choice to remain in 'campaign' mode says more about him than he will ever admit.
| 852 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:07pm |
re: #825 loppyd
Oh yes Loppy, this is all over the news in CT. Uconn sports boards, the papers, you name it it is on it.
| 854 |
Dragonwolf Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:15pm |
re: #442 buzzsawmonkey
You realize, of course, that you are the first person who has actually been renewed on Carousel.
So his crystal is now clear?
| 855 |
gregg Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:20pm |
I just got back from Denny's where they are offering the "Octomom Special", where you get 14 eggs, no sausage and the guy at the next table picks up the check.
| 856 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:33pm |
| 857 |
JacksonTn Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:31:48pm |
re: #838 OldLineTexan
Tsongas?
Teddy?/checking for the T-word
LOL ...me too ...I always miss what is deleted ...
| 859 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:03pm |
| 860 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:06pm |
re: #819 Occasional Reader
I totally missed the cascading deletions. "T-word"... hmm. Tyrannosaurus? Transsexual? Transsexual Tyrannosaurus?
A four letter euphemism for a woman's privates.
| 862 |
Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:08pm |
re: #825 loppyd
Via JWF:
Sorry if this is a repeat from earlier today, but it's so great it's a worth a re-post!
Awesome! UConn Coach Jim Calhoun Goes Nuclear on Activist Reporter
Well alright then! I graduated UConn in 96. Loved Calhoun.
| 863 |
babes Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:20pm |
Schedule of Tea Party protests linky:
[Link: www.pjtv.com...]
Sorry if this is a repeat but don't have time to read all the comments.
| 864 |
Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:29pm |
re: #839 Unakite
DOW down 237.83. Another 128 and the DOW will break 7000. I may be wrong, but I don't think this is the barrier that the "stimulus" was supposed to be breaking.
Gosh... I hope someone tells Harry Reid. Just this morning he said things were started to turn around.
| 865 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:30pm |
| 866 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:34pm |
re: #846 loppyd
Are you on a special list? I swear I am.
I'm not sure what list the congresscritters have, but I think I'm on the Boston Globe's "delete any letters from this guy, we won't publish his pro-Israel letters" list. I don't even get confirmation any more that I submitted a letter to the editor.
| 868 |
samhein Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:37pm |
You're right. It is true. It doesn't actually say all books in the bill, but what it does say is bad enough. Toys, clothes, it is unreal and obviously another "passed before thinking" (or maybe even reading) bill. It is even affecting people who craft things today for kids up to age 12.
If you're a crafter and you think or know people purchase your
product(s) for kids, you might want to check up on the "Consumer Protection Safety Improvement Act".
re: #7 Cato the Elder
OT, as usual.
Book Lovers' Alert:
The Nanny State goes mad and bans all children's books published before 1985.
Why?
Because they may contain miniscule and absolutely harmless traces of lead in the pigments.
Not. A. Joke.
| 869 |
cimom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:38pm |
re: #763 yma o hyd
Thank you. She is cute. When she and her brother were kittens I was supposed to limit my exposure to them because of allergies. Then I thought that they ought to get a little bowl of milk every day, and after that both cats adopted me. It's good for kids to have pets to dote on.
| 871 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:32:45pm |
re: #841 J.S.
Yes. You need something 100 percent "safe." Keeping something "in reserve" would be the equivalent of having food stored up in the pantry...(even money kept under a mattress wouldn't necessarily be "safe" if rampant inflation took place.)
I liked that part about something in reserve. That's such good advice. And I sure agree that cash (where I am right now) isn't safe if the Fed starts printing money 24/7.
Just not sure about anything right now. Sigh.
| 872 |
Ruebacca Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:02pm |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Stocks?
Bonds?
Gold?
Canned Food and Ammo.
| 873 |
tackle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:07pm |
re: #828 Salem
Well, he has a long time to wise up, I guess. But it's just too sad to hear him talking Jindal up as the shining hope of the party. Someone needs to ask him what happens to a presidential candidate that believes in exorcism. It would really be interesting to hear him address it. But I'm not tuning in to him for awhile.
Speaking of a "disturbance in the force", what are the odds that this rift in the GOP will become permanent?
| 874 |
Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:18pm |
re: #855 gregg
I just got back from Denny's where they are offering the "Octomom Special", where you get 14 eggs, no sausage and the guy at the next table picks up the check.
Should've took my date there. "octomom with a side of baloney"
| 875 |
jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:26pm |
| 876 |
jamgarr Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:34pm |
| 877 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:36pm |
re: #860 CyanSnowHawk
A four letter euphemism for a woman's privates.
Crikey, I thought that was the "c" word.
I AM getting behind. Do I have to watch rap videos? How do I keep up?
| 878 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:38pm |
re: #665 Ben Hur
Did you see that the Mexican chief of police quit his job due to threats of a police officer being murdered every 24 hours till he quit? The gangsters run that country.
| 879 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:41pm |
| 880 |
Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:45pm |
| 881 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:33:51pm |
re: #837 kansas
Got 30 minutes left, why so optimistic?
I was flat out wrong. I am not a prophet that is good at predicting the future, ok? ;)
| 882 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:15pm |
| 883 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:16pm |
re: #860 CyanSnowHawk
A four letter euphemism for a woman's privates.
Ah.
I always think of the "c" word as being the worst one for that. (In spite of it having rather deep historical roots; it's used by Chaucer, although in his usage it begins with a "q". Really.)
| 884 |
Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:19pm |
re: #865 smokefire
Inquiring minds want to know.................................
How's the kitty?
He's doing well, he hates his special diet, but he's much better. Thanks for asking...:)
| 885 |
Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:28pm |
re: #863 babes
Schedule of Tea Party protests linky:
[Link: www.pjtv.com...]
Sorry if this is a repeat but don't have time to read all the comments.
Is that a spinoff link somewhere? If not, you wanna do the honors?
| 886 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:32pm |
re: #825 loppyd
Via JWF:
Sorry if this is a repeat from earlier today, but it's so great it's a worth a re-post!
Awesome! UConn Coach Jim Calhoun Goes Nuclear on Activist Reporter
I had heard about that but hadn't seen it. Great!
| 887 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:34pm |
re: #847 Peacekeeper
Oh. We got us a smarty mouth here folks. What do we do with smarty mouths?
Tie their shoe-laces to their desks.
| 888 |
Salem Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:34:37pm |
re: #873 tackle
Speaking of a "disturbance in the force", what are the odds that this rift in the GOP will become permanent?
Got me.
| 889 |
Cheechako Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:01pm |
re: #312 SixDegrees
That, or just run the government off the huge chunk of borrowed cash and eliminate Federal withholdings altogether for a quarter or two.
Ya wanna stimulate the economy? That would do it. A helluva a lot faster than the $17 a week I'll be getting as my cut of the trillion dollar "stimulus," which I'm just not finding very stimulating.
As I mentioned once before, that "$17 Tax Cut" is NOT a tax cut. It's just a readjustment of the With-holding Tables! Some tax payers will get a big surprise on April 15, 2010 when the find out they will owe more taxes because not enough was withheld from their pay!
| 890 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:01pm |
| 891 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:05pm |
re: #870 joncelli
Dow at 7168.68, down 197 and change.
/It's a rally!
That will be the Hopey-Changey mantra, down slightly is GOOOD!
| 892 |
wrenchwench Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:13pm |
re: #828 Salem
Well, he has a long time to wise up, I guess. But it's just too sad to hear him talking Jindal up as the shining hope of the party. Someone needs to ask him what happens to a presidential candidate that believes in exorcism. It would really be interesting to hear him address it. But I'm not tuning in to him for awhile.
It's not just Jindal, Rush is also a big fan of Ben Stein and his movie.
| 893 |
Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:13pm |
re: #882 WriterMom
Ohhhh-tunt. LOL.
/hope that doesn't get deleted
GASP! You poisoned my fwagile widdle mind! /
| 895 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:36pm |
re: #863 babes
Schedule of Tea Party protests linky:
[Link: www.pjtv.com...]
Sorry if this is a repeat but don't have time to read all the comments.
It cannot be posted enough.
| 896 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:41pm |
re: #886 Ford_Prefect
I had heard about that but hadn't seen it. Great!
Welcome to class warfare 2009 style. Thanks Barry.
| 897 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:48pm |
re: #859 WriterMom
..............return with me Mom, to the cartoon in National Lampoon, years ago.
Volkswagon ad. Remember the one which the beetle went into the water and floated.
The caption was If Teddy Kennedy was driving this car, he would be President today.
Never forgot that one
| 898 |
yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:35:54pm |
re: #869 cimom
Thank you. She is cute. When she and her brother were kittens I was supposed to limit my exposure to them because of allergies. Then I thought that they ought to get a little bowl of milk every day, and after that both cats adopted me. It's good for kids to have pets to dote on.
Definitely!
And I think its wise to have cats or dogs because a) parents can do the responsible stuff, and b) they do live longer than gerbils, hamsters or pet mice. Their demise always causes great heartbreaks.
| 899 |
VioletTiger Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:36:03pm |
re: #198 SixDegrees
I think the burning reality came through when he made it clear that he intends to try to pay for all this nonsense with more taxes.
Watch the $250K bench mark fall faster than the stock market.
| 900 |
Ruebacca Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:36:12pm |
re: #864 Wendya
Gosh... I hope someone tells Harry Reid. Just this morning he said things were started to turn around.
ohh were done. Mr "this war is lost" has spoken.
| 901 |
babes Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:36:12pm |
re: #885 Last Mohican
Is that a spinoff link somewhere? If not, you wanna do the honors?
Please feel free to go ahead and post this anywhere and as often as you want. That goes for any Lizard also.
| 904 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:36:54pm |
re: #897 smokefire
..............return with me Mom, to the cartoon in National Lampoon, years ago.
Volkswagon ad. Remember the one which the beetle went into the water and floated.
The caption was If Teddy Kennedy was driving this car, he would be President today.
Never forgot that one
| 905 |
Andopolis Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:07pm |
headline: Barack Obama promises to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.
BHO: "Did I say deficit? Oops... I meant stock market"
| 906 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:10pm |
| 907 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:13pm |
| 908 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:28pm |
re: #877 OldLineTexan
Crikey, I thought that was the "c" word.
I AM getting behind. Do I have to watch rap videos? How do I keep up?
That word would likely get you banned right quick, not just deleted.
| 909 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:49pm |
re: #866 Kosh's Shadow
I'm not sure what list the congresscritters have, but I think I'm on the Boston Globe's "delete any letters from this guy, we won't publish his pro-Israel letters" list. I don't even get confirmation any more that I submitted a letter to the editor.
Oh it's going into a special file fo sho.
| 910 |
Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:37:57pm |
re: #703 Occasional Reader
I think you believe too much in the ability of the Mexican government to control the situation. I doubt "let" is the operative verb here, any more than it was in Colombia.
Good point.
Replace "let" with "don't give a sh*t".
| 913 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:38:28pm |
re: #905 Andopolis
headline: Barack Obama promises to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.
BHO: "Did I say deficit? Oops... I meant stock market"
Love it!
| 914 |
jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:38:28pm |
re: #889 Cheechako
As I mentioned once before, that "$17 Tax Cut" is NOT a tax cut. It's just a readjustment of the With-holding Tables! Some tax payers will get a big surprise on April 15, 2010 when the find out they will owe more taxes because not enough was withheld from their pay!
I HATE REFUND CHECKS! Why loan the feds money for the whole year and not get interest?
I try to tweak things so I owe under $1000 at tax time. I've been thrown off the last few years because of how foster kids and related expenses get tallied. It changes every damn year!
Last year two different sections had two different contradictory calculations. I took the one that was the most personally advantageous. And put a copy of the section I used in with my return.
| 915 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:38:44pm |
re: #879 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Language. Sheesh. There are vegetarians here.
The biggest bunch of vegetarians I know of have holy cows.
So NYAH.
/
| 917 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:08pm |
re: #914 jcm
I'm with you. Refunds means you have given the government an interest-free loan.
| 918 |
Harry Tuttle Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:13pm |
re: #835 subsailor68
Thanks! Yeah, from what I looked for, it does seem to be sitting in the background just percolating away for now. But you're right - just wait.
I still have the clip handy, I could upload it somewhere if people want to hear it. Mark does let her have it pretty good.
| 919 |
Buffoon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:23pm |
There's almost a strange beauty to starting this whole thing off broke in the first place... now for the rest of the republic, I weep....
| 920 |
LGoPs Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:31pm |
re: #801 CyanSnowHawk
The T-word is frowned upon by Stinky.
T-word? Can't think of one. I know you probably can't answer. Just scratching my head at all the deletions......
| 921 |
Kenneth Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:41pm |
Gen. Barry McCaffrey, was in Mexico not long ago, and this is what he found:
The outgunned Mexican law enforcement authorities face armed criminal attacks from platoon-sized units employing night vision goggles, electronic intercept collection, encrypted communications, fairly sophisticated information operations, sea-going submersibles, helicopters and modern transport aviation, automatic weapons, RPG’s, Anti-Tank 66 mm rockets, mines and booby traps, heavy machine guns, 50 [caliber] sniper rifles, massive use of military hand grenades, and the most modern models of 40mm grenade machine guns.
These are the weapons the drug gangs are now turning against the Mexican government as Calderón escalates the war against the cartels.
| 922 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:43pm |
re: #910 Ben Hur
You're so, like, polite and stuff. Using *stars*.
| 923 |
Salem Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:45pm |
re: #892 wrenchwench
It's not just Jindal, Rush is also a big fan of Ben Stein and his movie.
Aw, really? I missed that.
| 924 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:47pm |
re: #904 loppyd
Memories, thank you Loppy.
Was in your neighborhood over weekend.
Antique show in Holliston, Ma.
| 925 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:49pm |
re: #905 Andopolis
headline: Barack Obama promises to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.
BHO: "Did I say deficit? Oops... I meant stock market"
To him any money in the stock market is a deficit. That is all money that should have gone to Washington.
| 926 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:39:59pm |
OK, I have to nap.
Can someone please wake me up at 5:00? Thanks. :~)
| 927 |
Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:06pm |
re: #907 smokefire
better half and I were wondering.
Our Kitty sends his best wishes
Thanks, Tiger wants to know if your cats want to trade a nice bag of special diet for a few cans of Friskies?
| 928 |
Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:19pm |
The market has fallen so much that starting tomorrow the Standard and Poor's 500 will just be the Poor 500.
Wakka wakka!
| 929 |
rawmuse Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:33pm |
re: #504 zombie
It depends what stocks are in his portfolio. Some stocks will go all the down to zero and never come back. For instance B of A, Citigroup, possibly GM.
| 930 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:38pm |
re: #910 Ben Hur
Good point.
Replace "let" with "don't give a sh*t".
Actually, I don't think that's true, either. Even the power elite in Mexico are threatened by this. They live like pampered prisoners; constant fear of kidnapping.
| 931 |
MrSoCal Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:38pm |
Cash is king until inflation kicks in. The best stimulus is for oil to drop to $10.
Dow: 7,146.00 Down 219.67 (2.98%)
> Lowest point since 5/8/1997
| 932 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:40pm |
re: #883 Occasional Reader
Ah.
I always think of the "c" word as being the worst one for that. (In spite of it having rather deep historical roots; it's used by Chaucer, although in his usage it begins with a "q". Really.)
Oh no, was Chaucer one of those idiots that think it's clever to spell America with a K or use caps EvErY oThEr letter?
/
| 933 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:41pm |
re: #924 smokefire
Memories, thank you Loppy.
Was in your neighborhood over weekend.
Antique show in Holliston, Ma.
Where is Holliston?
Not my neighborhood! :~)
| 934 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:49pm |
| 935 |
Ford_Prefect Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:40:54pm |
re: #926 loppyd
OK, I have to nap.
Can someone please wake me up at 5:00? Thanks. :~)
That reminds me. It is 5:00 somewhere! Gotta go. Later Lizards!
| 936 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:41:13pm |
re: #899 VioletTiger
I think the burning reality came through when he made it clear that he intends to try to pay for all this nonsense with more taxes.
Watch the $250K bench mark fall faster than the stock market.
Oh my. Sounds like a trip to the urologist.
| 938 |
VioletTiger Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:42:19pm |
re: #864 Wendya
Gosh... I hope someone tells Harry Reid. Just this morning he said things were started to turn around.
And around and around and around. This happen when the economy goes in the toilet...
| 939 |
Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:42:22pm |
re: #932 CyanSnowHawk
Oh no, was Chaucer one of those idiots that think it's clever to spell America with a K or use caps EvErY oThEr letter?
/
He died in 1400.
| 941 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:42:42pm |
re: #922 WriterMom
You're so, like, polite and stuff. Using *stars*.
And I just remembered the T word!
Yay! Brain cell just lost, not dead!
| 942 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:07pm |
re: #932 CyanSnowHawk
Oh no, was Chaucer one of those idiots that think it's clever to spell America with a K or use caps EvErY oThEr letter?
/
His text messages were particularly annoying.
| 943 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:11pm |
| 944 |
babes Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:26pm |
More information on the nationwide Tea Party Protests here:
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
| 945 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:28pm |
| 946 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:28pm |
re: #909 loppyd
Oh it's going into a special file fo sho.
They have space reserved for me on the cattle cars?
| 948 |
jamgarr Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:34pm |
re: #883 Occasional Reader
Ah.
I always think of the "c" word as being the worst one for that. (In spite of it having rather deep historical roots; it's used by Chaucer, although in his usage it begins with a "q". Really.)
I will NEVER forget my college freashman rhetoric T.A. reading us some Chauser (She wanted us to know that she could read Old English). Something about a woman stisking "er ole" out the window.
| 949 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:43pm |
re: #937 WriterMom
Or the proctologist.
Heh. I already posted BOHICA earlier today, and I've seen it at least once in this thread.
Jokey: What's a proctoscope?
Answer: A 10-foot long ice cold aluminum tube with an asshole at both ends.
| 950 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:43:56pm |
re: #927 Dustyvet
......sorry Tiger, you are out of luck. Chedda is also on a special diet, for his teeth.
| 951 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:44:08pm |
re: #940 ploome hineni
No-they are in other lines of work.
| 953 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:44:19pm |
| 955 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:44:34pm |
re: #946 Kosh's Shadow
They have space reserved for me on the cattle cars?
Don't even say that. Please.
| 957 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:45:13pm |
re: #947 taxfreekiller
Open Borders.
Open Markets.
China loans.
Obama for leader.
Two Party Evil Money Cult.
John F. Kerry
Bill Clinton
Reid, Pelosi, Schummer, Wachman, Maxie Waters, ACOR, A.C.L.U.
ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/CNN/NYT
[Chorus]
We didn't start the fire
it was always burning since the world was turning...
-Billy Joel
| 959 |
kansas Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:45:44pm |
Headline reads "Down tumbles to 11 year low on fear about banks". How about "Dow tumbles to 11 year low on fear of Obama/Biden."
| 960 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:45:47pm |
Down -227, SPX -42, Compx -46.
SDS +6.03 on the day :)
| 961 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:01pm |
There he goes again, DJing his way back to the 80s and early 90s. Gaaaaaaaaaa.
| 962 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:01pm |
| 965 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:15pm |
| 966 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:17pm |
re: #948 jamgarr
She wanted us to know that she could read Old English
Actually, Middle English. (Old English is almost entirely unreadable to a Modern English speaker.)
| 967 |
nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:38pm |
Apparently there was a Prison Break in Mississippi? With the economy as it is, where were they going?
| 969 |
calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:46:59pm |
| 971 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:06pm |
re: #955 loppyd
Don't even say that. Please.
OK.
I do wonder if my record of support for Israel made a difference when I was rejected for a job that would have required a security clearance. However, I hadn't sent the letters to the politicians yet, just the Globe, and at least one of those was published.
(It was just after Sharon was elected, and people were calling him a "terrorist". I pointed out how people also called Arafat a terrorist.)
| 972 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:09pm |
re: #966 Occasional Reader
Actually, Middle English. (Old English is almost entirely unreadable to a Modern English speaker.)
Sure. Furniture polish is dark!
| 974 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:26pm |
re: #967 nevergiveup
Apparently there was a Prison Break in Mississippi? With the economy as it is, where were they going?
We have lizards down there. Hope everyone is safe.
| 975 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:30pm |
re: #967 nevergiveup
Perhaps to take up cabinet posts in the new administration?
| 976 |
joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:39pm |
re: #931 MrSoCal
Price at the pump is inching up, at least on the East Coast. So, no good news there either.
| 977 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:40pm |
| 978 |
callahan23 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:44pm |
| 979 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:50pm |
re: #961 WriterMom
There he goes again, DJing his way back to the 80s and early 90s. Gaaaaaaaaaa.
Anything for your very special bat mitvah. Mazel tov!
| 980 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:54pm |
re: #966 Occasional Reader
Actually, Middle English. (Old English is almost entirely unreadable to a Modern English speaker.)
And Olde English malt Liquor is almost entirely undrinkable to the modern drinker.
| 981 |
jamgarr Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:47:55pm |
re: #966 Occasional Reader
Actually, Middle English. (Old English is almost entirely unreadable to a Modern English speaker.)
I stand corrected - well, sit corrected
| 982 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:02pm |
re: #959 kansas
And yet, the media is trying to sugarcoat it for the O. Did you see #476?
| 983 |
nyc redneck Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:07pm |
re: #963 subsailor68
15 minutes to go. Does it hit 7100?
soros is somewhere w/ a bottle of champagne.
| 984 |
wiffersnapper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:07pm |
Change you can believe in! I BELIEVE the market will CHANGE for the worse tomorrow!
| 985 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:09pm |
re: #967 nevergiveup
Apparently there was a Prison Break in Mississippi? With the economy as it is, where were they going?
My guess? ACORN.
| 986 |
nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:11pm |
| 987 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:20pm |
| 988 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:23pm |
re: #976 joncelli
Price at the pump is inching up, at least on the East Coast. So, no good news there either.
Highest price in the country is Alaska. Hmmmm?
| 989 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:24pm |
re: #971 Kosh's Shadow
For sure it made a difference. If it was on the on-line version all they would have had to do was Google your name.
| 990 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:41pm |
| 991 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:41pm |
re: #978 callahan23
It's a carnival wagon, I'm not entirely sure of its meaning, but then everybody is partying here...
| 992 |
jamgarr Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:44pm |
re: #966 Occasional Reader
Actually, Middle English. (Old English is almost entirely unreadable to a Modern English speaker.)
Is that what Bilbo speaks?
| 993 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:49pm |
re: #961 WriterMom
belated hello MOM.
Your son was a very BAD BOY today.
Restored and contrite, and keeping his mouth shut, and his foot out of it.
| 994 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:48:54pm |
re: #971 Kosh's Shadow
OK.
I do wonder if my record of support for Israel made a difference when I was rejected for a job that would have required a security clearance. However, I hadn't sent the letters to the politicians yet, just the Globe, and at least one of those was published.
(It was just after Sharon was elected, and people were calling him a "terrorist". I pointed out how people also called Arafat a terrorist.)
Depends on how detailed their search was. What year was Sharon elected? Were internet searches commonplace then?
| 995 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:05pm |
| 996 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:20pm |
re: #967 nevergiveup
Apparently there was a Prison Break in Mississippi? With the economy as it is, where were they going?
| 998 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:35pm |
re: #988 Walter L. Newton
Highest price in the country is Alaska. Hmmmm?
A large portion of gasoline pricing is refining and transportation.
| 999 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:40pm |
| 1000 |
pat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:49:59pm |
Maybe Obama can help by talking the economy and the country down again. It has had an effect so far. And begging the commmies to buy bonds was a brilliant stroke. closing offshore drilling and continental exploration of minerals and petroleum products was certainly useful. As was the talk of nationalization of the banks and auto industry. and raising taxes on businesses and wage earners! Wow. A totally original attack plan on a recession. These people are geniuses. I know because the MSM said so.
| 1001 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:07pm |
re: #993 smokefire
You? My long lost son? I think I'm too young for that, daddy-o.
| 1002 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:09pm |
re: #969 calcajun
Appreciate your perspective--but not funny.
(do keep trying, though)
Well, with seeing how the 0bama administration is going along with the Durban II anti-Israel and anti-Jew hatefest, I might be more cynical than usual.
And despite the State Dept protests, other sources say the US representatives did absolutely nothing; no protests when worse language was added.
I guess 0bama was listening to Rev. Wright say how bad Israel and the Jews are, after all.
| 1003 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:37pm |
re: #939 Wendya
He died in 1400.
I know, but I couldn't think of an annoying spelling of a 15th Century country to use for my example.
Makes you wonder though, did some people find the colorful illuminations in manuscripts from that time to be the period equivalent of the annoying twists on styles we see today?
| 1004 |
Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:40pm |
re: #901 babes
Please feel free to go ahead and post this anywhere and as often as you want. That goes for any Lizard also.
Okay, I spun off a spinoff link. Here it is.
| 1005 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:42pm |
re: #965 hans ze beeman
WHOA Hans-long time no see. Real life interfering with LGF time?
| 1006 |
calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:50:48pm |
| 1007 |
Ojoe Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:00pm |
re: #664 Afrocity
You might try getting involved with Scouting & there you may find someone with the "square" virtues: Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, reverent.
I'm just saying.
| 1008 |
callahan23 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:10pm |
| 1009 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:12pm |
Dow down 249. We will hit 7100 at this rate.
| 1010 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:23pm |
re: #967 nevergiveup
Apparently there was a Prison Break in Mississippi? With the economy as it is, where were they going?
Obama's cabinet? The Justice Department? The FBI?
After all, in his administration, the best qualification for running a department seems to be breaking the laws it enforces.
| 1011 |
joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:28pm |
re: #988 Walter L. Newton
The refineries are in the lower 48. We need new refineries NOW, but it ain't gonna happen under the messiah.
| 1012 |
nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:30pm |
re: #1002 Kosh's Shadow
Well, with seeing how the 0bama administration is going along with the Durban II anti-Israel and anti-Jew hatefest, I might be more cynical than usual.
And despite the State Dept protests, other sources say the US representatives did absolutely nothing; no protests when worse language was added.
I guess 0bama was listening to Rev. Wright say how bad Israel and the Jews are, after all.
I hope all my Jewish Liberal Friends and Relatives are feeling the Love!
| 1014 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:40pm |
Smokefire is leaving the building, and completing his barbecuing of tonights dinner, keeping his mouth shut, and fingers off the keyboard.
| 1015 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:51:59pm |
re: #980 Wyatt Earp
And then, you had to watch what was inside your drink; concernig Isaac Newton,
Born prematurely, he was a small child; his mother Hannah Ayscough reportedly said that he could have fit inside a quart mug.
| 1017 |
nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:07pm |
re: #1009 subsailor68
Dow down 249. We will hit 7100 at this rate.
Very appropriate coming from a subsailor?
| 1019 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:32pm |
re: #1001 WriterMom
ok the son from another mother then, or how about the brother from another mother.
Shalom.
| 1020 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:39pm |
re: #801 CyanSnowHawk
The T-word is frowned upon by Stinky.
Is that a synonym for the c-word?
/rayra's favorite
| 1021 |
Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:40pm |
re: #968 jcm
So? He had access to an IBM Selectric.
/Dan Rather
Hey.... that's my 21x Great Grandfather you're talking about.....
| 1022 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:45pm |
re: #994 loppyd
Depends on how detailed their search was. What year was Sharon elected? Were internet searches commonplace then?
It was several years ago, but the job was a few months ago. I got a different one quickly enough, though.
| 1024 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:49pm |
re: #1018 Peacekeeper
The market's going down like Lewinsky.
At least with Lewinsky somebody came back.
| 1025 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:52:57pm |
re: #1007 Ojoe
You might try getting involved with Scouting & there you may find someone with the "square" virtues:
You want Afrocity to start hitting on Boy Scouts? Pervert!
/
| 1027 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:09pm |
| 1028 |
ArchangelMichael Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:11pm |
re: #980 Wyatt Earp
And Olde English malt Liquor is almost entirely undrinkable to the modern drinker.
I'm sure hit byrigt swa scitte (That's the best I can do in OE, English profs go easy on me)
| 1029 |
Ojoe Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:26pm |
re: #1015 hans ze beeman
My Irish grandma fit in a cigar box when she was brand new.
| 1030 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:29pm |
re: #1023 subsailor68
7109 with 8 minutes to go.
Boy oh boy, Bush left Obama with a mess. I feel sorry for him.
/
| 1031 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:33pm |
From Bloomberg:
U.S. Stocks Fall, Sending Market Below Lowest Close Since 1997
Feb. 23 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks fell, sending the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index below its lowest close in 12 years, as concern that the deepening recession will erode earnings offset the government’s pledge to give more capital to banks.Hewlett-Packard Co. and Intel Corp. slid at least 4.6 percent as Morgan Stanley said technology stocks are the most vulnerable among economically sensitive industries. Nucor Corp. helped lead a decline in steelmakers after UBS AG said the group has increased output too quickly. Bank of America Corp. rose 9.5 percent and Citigroup Inc. climbed 19 percent as concern eased that the U.S. government will seize control of the lenders.
The S&P 500 lost 2.9 percent to 747.64 at 3:34 p.m. in New York, below its lowest close since April 1997. The six-day losing streak in the U.S. stock benchmark ranks as the longest since October. The Dow Jones Industrial Average decreased 207.48 points, or 2.8 percent, to 7,158.19, below its lowest close since October 1997. The Russell 2000 Index lost 3.1 percent
| 1032 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:43pm |
BTW, shouldn't Europa be RIDING a BULL, not hanging on to the BULLSHIT?
| 1033 |
smokefire Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:44pm |
re: #1016 Chicago Blonde
And what are we cooking?
Seasoned chicken breast. Get the cookbook, I have 4 recipes in there.
| 1036 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:53:59pm |
I'm watching The Weather Channel 'cause I have as much control over the weather it as I do over the markets.
| 1038 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:02pm |
re: #973 smokefire
Dow now at 11 year low from MSNBC
Oh great, now they're going to compare him to Clinton on his economic policies.
/Never mind that the general trend was up 11 years ago.
| 1040 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:13pm |
re: #1029 Ojoe
My Irish grandma fit in a cigar box when she was brand new.
I got my whole family in some hourglasses.
| 1041 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:18pm |
re: #1013 taxfreekiller
-265 will be about 7099
only 50% more to go down
the "O" hole way.
Dropping faster than Joan Rivers' face.
| 1042 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:19pm |
re: #999 hans ze beeman
Whenever I see your avatar, I want to make a zizzing sound, like a bee. Is that picture from some cartoon show, or...?
| 1044 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:35pm |
re: #1025 Occasional Reader
You want Afrocity to start hitting on Boy Scouts? Pervert!
/
/Runs for his old Eagle Scout uniform, straightens neckerchief
| 1045 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:36pm |
re: #1032 OldLineTexan
BTW, shouldn't Europa be RIDING a BULL, not hanging on to the BULLSHIT?
It depends. Is that BS they're hanging on to shovel-ready?
| 1046 |
VioletTiger Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:40pm |
Is there any possibility that Obama/Biden will look at the market and think 'was it something we said?'/
| 1047 |
subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:41pm |
re: #1030 Walter L. Newton
Boy oh boy, Bush left Obama with a mess. I feel sorry for him.
/
Me too. Poor, poor man. How could Bush have done this to him. Sob.
////
| 1048 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:46pm |
| 1049 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:54:49pm |
re: #1005 WriterMom
Indeed, PhD thesis is drawing to its end. I'm trying to provide an overview of allowing creationism in the science classroom. Dos anyone have some literature on social life in Afghanistan in 2000? /kidding
Hope you are fine too!
| 1050 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:13pm |
| 1051 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:16pm |
re: #1036 MandyManners
I'm watching The Weather Channel 'cause I have as much control over the weather it as I do over the markets.
I think the temperature will go back up to summer weather long before the stock market goes back up to the Bush levels.
| 1052 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:19pm |
re: #1022 Kosh's Shadow
It was several years ago, but the job was a few months ago. I got a different one quickly enough, though.
Happy to hear it. I read CORI reports all the time....you wouldn't believe the stuff I see!
| 1053 |
MrSilverDragon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:23pm |
re: #1018 Peacekeeper
The market's going down like Lewinsky.
Perhaps, but I don't forsee a happy ending.
| 1054 |
Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:30pm |
| 1055 |
SixDegrees Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:32pm |
re: #894 ploome hineni
I am afraid Nobama WANTS this meltdown, to make it easier to slip it in
slip in his steath agenda
Unfortunately, I'm beginning to doubt that there is a stealth agenda. Increasingly, it seems as though there isn't any agenda at all.
That's what's spooking the markets more than anything else - the stench of clueless incompetence emanating from the White House these days.
"The stimulus plan - it's got electrolytes!"
| 1056 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:39pm |
re: #1040 Walter L. Newton
I got my whole family in some hourglasses.
so are the days of our lives ...
| 1057 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:44pm |
| 1058 |
Digital Display Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:50pm |
re: #989 WriterMom
For sure it made a difference. If it was on the on-line version all they would have had to do was Google your name.
Good Afternoon Writermom...I had security clearance for 20 years working for the DOD.. Had lots of jewish friends, atheists, Catholics ect..If Kosh can't get clearance it's not because of his religion or political letters to the editor.
/Well unless the letter was wacked out and delutional..but they generally don't print those.
| 1059 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:55:59pm |
re: #1044 OldLineTexan
/Runs for his old Eagle Scout uniform,
If it still fits, you're either doing something really, really right, or you're terribly, terribly ill.
| 1060 |
callahan23 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:00pm |
re: #1032 OldLineTexan
BTW, shouldn't Europa be RIDING a BULL, not hanging on to the BULLSHIT?
The time that Europe rode a bull are long past, the return of the bear is well reported.
| 1061 |
Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:03pm |
re: #721 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
GREAT MOVIE... Dennis Quaid, what twenty years old?
And I still think Mooch looks like Steve Nash.
TOTALLY!
LOL!
| 1062 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:05pm |
| 1063 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:06pm |
| 1064 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:06pm |
| 1065 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:14pm |
re: #1002 Kosh's Shadow
Well, with seeing how the 0bama administration is going along with the Durban II anti-Israel and anti-Jew hatefest, I might be more cynical than usual.
And despite the State Dept protests, other sources say the US representatives did absolutely nothing; no protests when worse language was added.
I guess 0bama was listening to Rev. Wright say how bad Israel and the Jews are, after all.
I hope this douchnozzle is freaking happy now!
| 1066 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:23pm |
| 1068 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:56:49pm |
| 1069 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:57:13pm |
re: #1052 loppyd
Happy to hear it. I read CORI reports all the time....you wouldn't believe the stuff I see!
I don't think letters to the editor go in CORI reports.
| 1071 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:57:32pm |
| 1072 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:57:33pm |
re: #1059 Occasional Reader
If it still fits, you're either doing something really, really right, or you're terribly, terribly ill.
The shirt fits, but don't stand in button range!
| 1073 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:57:45pm |
re: #1049 hans ze beeman
Indeed, PhD thesis is drawing to its end.
Excellent. With that out of the way, you can start your new job as a Starbucks "barista".
/kidding
//I hope
| 1074 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:58:01pm |
Could this nugget have something to do with the free fall?
In Latest Plan for Banks, U.S. Could Demand a Voting Stake
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration put the nation’s biggest banks on notice Monday that the government could become their biggest shareholder if regulators decide they are not strong enough to weather a deeper-than-expected downturn in the economy.In an unexpectedly assertive joint statement, the Treasury Department, Federal Reserve and federal bank regulatory agencies announced that the government might end up demanding a direct ownership stake in major banks after they undergo a tough evaluation of their strength, which is to begin shortly.
| 1075 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:58:12pm |
re: #1058 HoosierHoops
I don't think you have to be wacky to have a publication considered a bad thing for certain positions. I can't go into detail, but I have had personal experience with this.
| 1076 |
Honorary Yooper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:58:24pm |
re: #383 smokefire
Welcome back. There are threads some us just stay away from. I usually stay away from any of the iPhone and iPod ones. ;-)
Seriously though, welcome back. Charles is a nice guy, but don't piss him off too much.
| 1077 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:58:35pm |
| 1078 |
nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:58:38pm |
If we would have ignored the problem and let the banks go under, could it have been any worse? Serious question. If we had just picked up the pieces after the firms that should have failed, failed?
| 1079 |
Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:58:54pm |
re: #1023 subsailor68
7109 with 8 minutes to go.
Quick! Pass more stimulus! Spend some money on something! Anything! Hurry!
| 1080 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:58:56pm |
re: #1069 Kosh's Shadow
I don't think letters to the editor go in CORI reports.
Oh, I know. I was saying that I read CORI reports and they are a lot worse than a tersely worded letter to the Bow-Tie Bum Kissers on Morrissey Boulevard!
| 1081 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:59:13pm |
| 1082 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:59:26pm |
re: #1036 MandyManners
I'm watching The Weather Channel 'cause I have as much control over the weather it as I do over the markets.
You listen to alGore and his alcolytes and they will prophesy that you have more influence on the weather.
| 1084 |
MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:59:32pm |
I'm outta' here. The Kid was a half-way civilized barbarian this morning so he gets to play his PSP on the way home which in turn will make him happy which in turn will make me happy. I'm teaching him about consequences, about cause and effect.
WHY DOESN'T CBBHO KNOW THIS ALREADY?
| 1085 |
jamgarr Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:59:35pm |
Come to think of it - I guess that the last "Blame-Bush" day will be 9-10-09.
| 1086 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:59:35pm |
re: #1058 HoosierHoops
Good Afternoon Writermom...I had security clearance for 20 years working for the DOD.. Had lots of jewish friends, atheists, Catholics ect..If Kosh can't get clearance it's not because of his religion or political letters to the editor.
/Well unless the letter was wacked out and delutional..but they generally don't print those.
And I write those more carefully than I write here. Here, I am willing to say that I don't think the Palis want peace with Israel; they want all the land and no Israel. In my letters to the editor, I will say they need to act like they want peace, but I won't say that they don't.
| 1087 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:59:36pm |
Once I had a dream. Had taken a job. Was a job I really would like to have. Great pay, benefits, etc.
Started my first day, had no idea what I was doing, realized I had no earthly idea why I had been given the job.
Woke up petrified.
I fear that there are those whom the same dream would not bother a bit.
| 1088 |
WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:59:44pm |
re: #1049 hans ze beeman
Oh gawd. LOL. Great topic. I'm good.
| 1089 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 12:59:56pm |
re: #1042 Ward Cleaver
Heh, it's from an old classic Atals comic, the bee-man had some mutant bee hordes that helped him, had antennas that can foes with a sonic buzz, and lived in a big hive. Totally ridiculous, but you cannot choose your name, can ya?
| 1090 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:00:06pm |
re: #1077 Ward Cleaver
Doing a Bai Ling impersonation?
/look it up
She definitely revs my motor. I guess that means I'm Bai-sexual.
| 1091 |
AuntAcid Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:00:15pm |
Dow, schmow....I'm "in" Cabbage Patch dolls...who's laughing now?
| 1092 |
NukeAtomrod Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:00:18pm |
re: #1018 Peacekeeper
The market's going down like Lewinsky.
With a cigar in its genitals?
/ Couldn't help myself.
| 1093 |
bill-tb Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:00:21pm |
Acting President Obama is going to get his reparations for the lowlifes, regardless.
Best defense weapon, for those who know little about guns, is the good old tried and tested short barreled riot shotguns. In a pinch, as the Koreans during the Rodney King riots proved, any shotgun chases the rioters away. Get yours early.
| 1094 |
DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:00:26pm |
Hey the creationist thread is stuck on 666. Its a sign!
| 1095 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:00:29pm |
re: #1073 Occasional Reader
I'm working on my cab license.
| 1096 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:00:34pm |
| 1098 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:00:45pm |
re: #1046 VioletTiger
Is there any possibility that Obama/Biden will look at the market and think 'was it something we said?'/
Seriously, I was just thinking this morning with an egotist such as Chuck Shumer (as well as Obama and Biden) I can just see them glowing at the thought that something they said can have such an immediate affect on somethinmg important)
| 1099 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:01:04pm |
re: #1087 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Once I had a dream. Had taken a job. Was a job I really would like to have. Great pay, benefits, etc.
Started my first day, had no idea what I was doing, realized I had no earthly idea why I had been given the job.
Woke up petrified.
I fear that there are those whom the same dream would not bother a bit.
Barack, is that you?
| 1100 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:01:07pm |
re: #1089 hans ze beeman
Heh, it's from an old classic Atals comic, the bee-man had some mutant bee hordes that helped him, had antennas that can foes with a sonic buzz, and lived in a big hive. Totally ridiculous, but you cannot choose your name, can ya?
Cool.
| 1102 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:01:26pm |
| 1104 |
Nom de boom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:01:33pm |
Greetings, Lizards! Any predictions on the dollar to British pound exchange rate? Brit-lizards, feel free to chime in with any credible information you've heard from your media. I'm thinking of doing a PhD in the UK. I don't want to be too hasty in exchanging my Obama Bux, but it looks like the rate hit bottom in January and is now creeping back up.
| 1105 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:01:35pm |
| 1107 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:01:47pm |
re: #1088 WriterMom
In reality, I'm doing applied mathematics, i.e. developing specific statistical models for the behavioral sciences (psychology, etc.).
| 1108 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:01:47pm |
| 1110 |
kansas Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:00pm |
re: #982 Chicago Blonde
And yet, the media is trying to sugarcoat it for the O. Did you see #476?
I hadn't seen it. Jeez. I mean seriously. Just chart it since Jan 20th. Straight down. But you know, that's really what he wants.
| 1111 |
Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:05pm |
re: #1087 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Once I had a dream. Had taken a job. Was a job I really would like to have. Great pay, benefits, etc.
Started my first day, had no idea what I was doing, realized I had no earthly idea why I had been given the job.
Woke up petrified.
I fear that there are those whom the same dream would not bother a bit.
Leon Panetta, is that you?
| 1112 |
Dragonwolf Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:07pm |
re: #606 Killgore Trout
I don't think so. We may drop more but probably not a whole lot. Most of what we are seeing is people selling off financial stocks. Unless you're tied up in financials and you're concerned about the banks being nationalized I'd stay put.
Unless there's a single drop, even if temporary, that triggers the auto-sell threshold that many investors have set in their market watch software.
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Christophermdavis Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:21pm |
Ah, I saw Smilin' Barry Obama coming a mile away. My money has been in DOG and SDS (both ETFs shorting the DOW) for several months now. I don't know whether to feel bad for my country, or spend the thousands of dollars I've made ...
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snowcrash Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:23pm |
Have to see what Cavuto has to say about this mess. Obama to speak shortly on fiscal responsibility. lol
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:28pm |
re: #1081 Wyatt Earp
I dig Bai Ling. A lot.
She's quite the exhibitionist. Has she made any real movies, or is she a Chinese Paris Hilton?
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:30pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:34pm |
re: #1101 midwestgak
DOW closes at 7114.22 -251.45
So we can say goodbye to 7000 tomorrow then, as we go plummeting right on by?
| 1118 |
Ben Hur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:38pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:41pm |
re: #1093 bill-tb
is the good old tried and tested short barreled riot shotguns
But not too short-barrelled. Under 18", and Uncle Sam gets awfully grouchy.
| 1120 |
NukeAtomrod Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:43pm |
re: #1029 Ojoe
My Irish grandma fit in a cigar box when she was brand new.
[Insert another Monica Lewinsky joke here.]
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WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:44pm |
re: #1107 hans ze beeman
Oh-excellent. Have you got any formulas that can get my nutty, zaftig boss off my back? I'd really love to psych her out.
| 1122 |
joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:02:44pm |
re: #1101 midwestgak
Well, give the market time to absorb Obama's new statements and policies. Then they can panic in a more informed fashion.
| 1123 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:03:15pm |
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subsailor68 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:03:27pm |
Well all, must go. I predicted a market close at 7100, and am so utterly relieved that I was wrong....by a whole 15 points or so.
:-(
Have a great evening all!
| 1127 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:03:38pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:03:44pm |
re: #1103 jcm
7114.30 -251.37 (-3.41%) Feb 23 4:00pm ET
Just doing the last minute dead cat bounce. Still will be above 7100 at least until tomorrow.
| 1129 |
calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:03:57pm |
re: #1002 Kosh's Shadow
Well, with seeing how the 0bama administration is going along with the Durban II anti-Israel and anti-Jew hatefest, I might be more cynical than usual.
And despite the State Dept protests, other sources say the US representatives did absolutely nothing; no protests when worse language was added.
I guess 0bama was listening to Rev. Wright say how bad Israel and the Jews are, after all.
Interesting times indeed. In "Hannah & Her Sisters", Max von Sydow's character responded to the question of how could the Holocaust have happened with, "I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often."
A pitfall of history is to somehow explain as anomalous any catastrophic event such as the Holocaust. The overly simplistic way of looking at it is that Hitler was evil incarnate, as though the Third Reich was some fluke or aberration of history that cannot happen again. Unfortunately, human nature has not changed, either in the actions we commit or in the way we look at the past.
The movie "Downfall" was criticized for "humanizing" Hitler. I think we need to look at Hitler as a human being. The Holocaust was perpetrated by human beings. And human beings will repeat their sins--if they think that their prior sins were due to some external force. The fault is not in our stars---it is in ourselves.
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kansas Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:04:02pm |
re: #1126 subsailor68
Well all, must go. I predicted a market close at 7100, and am so utterly relieved that I was wrong....by a whole 15 points or so.
:-(
Have a great evening all!
Well, there's always after hours and then tomorrow.
| 1131 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:04:03pm |
re: #1116 loppyd
I'm guessing a horny, hot Asian chick.
She's a Chinese actress who gets off on flashing her boobs in public.
| 1132 |
Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:04:04pm |
| 1133 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:04:06pm |
re: #1121 WriterMom
Give him an introduction to Bayesian statistics and he'll fall asleep. That's my experience with students, anyway :)
| 1134 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:04:20pm |
re: #1110 kansas
Yeah, I know its what he wants. I'm going to practice my gardening skills, etc.
| 1135 |
joncelli Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:04:21pm |
re: #1113 Christophermdavis
Got a used Mac Mini. Only several thousand dollars!
/Well, I upgraded the memory...
| 1136 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:04:25pm |
re: #1115 Ward Cleaver
She's quite the exhibitionist. Has she made any real movies, or is she a Chinese Paris Hilton?
She was reasonably good in Red Corner, with Richard Gere.
| 1137 |
midwestgak Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:04:37pm |
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Ojoe Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:04:44pm |
re: #1112 Dragonwolf
Why should such automatic electronic disaster fuzes even be allowed?
If I were in a position of power I'd outlaw them.
| 1139 |
ArchangelMichael Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:04:51pm |
re: #1113 Christophermdavis
SDS double-shorts the S&P 500. You should have done DXD instead of DOG though, you'd have double those thousands.
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loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:05:06pm |
re: #1131 Ward Cleaver
She's a Chinese actress who gets off on flashing her boobs in public.
Her father must have ignored her as a child.
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WriterMom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:05:10pm |
re: #1131 Ward Cleaver
Ahh. OK. It's a boobie thing. I get it.
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jorline Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:05:25pm |
I was forced on to this circus freak show ride.
Mr. President, when is this roller coaster ride going to make an upward turn. It's been nothing but a downward plunge this you took the helm.
I'm ready to move on to Space Mountain.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:05:29pm |
re: #1119 Occasional Reader
But not too short-barrelled. Under 18", and Uncle Sam gets awfully grouchy.
With the budget cuts, they don't send the FBI out to shoot your wife in the head over that any more.
They just tell the Mexican cartels that you are skimmimg off the top.
It's a form of outsourcing.
/
| 1144 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:05:42pm |
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:05:51pm |
re: #1087 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Once I had a dream. Had taken a job. Was a job I really would like to have. Great pay, benefits, etc.
Started my first day, had no idea what I was doing, realized I had no earthly idea why I had been given the job.
Woke up petrified.
I fear that there are those whom the same dream would not bother a bit.
Obama is living the dream.
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yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:06:01pm |
re: #1104 Nom de boom
Greetings, Lizards! Any predictions on the dollar to British pound exchange rate? Brit-lizards, feel free to chime in with any credible information you've heard from your media. I'm thinking of doing a PhD in the UK. I don't want to be too hasty in exchanging my Obama Bux, but it looks like the rate hit bottom in January and is now creeping back up.
Hold yer horses - ££ will fall again, because the Bank of England is being given the green light to print money.
If you can wait with a decision until aprol, do so. Budget will be out then, and we'll all know better how abdly off we really are, excahnge rate included.
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:06:07pm |
re: #1136 Occasional Reader
She was reasonably good in Red Corner, with Richard Gere.
She was red hot in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
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midwestgak Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:06:32pm |
Obama speaking at Summit on Fiscal Responsibility.
Responsibility - I don't think that word means what he thinks it means.
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Digital Display Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:06:43pm |
re: #1075 WriterMom
I don't think you have to be wacky to have a publication considered a bad thing for certain positions. I can't go into detail, but I have had personal experience with this.
If I recall it took 4 or 5 months to get my FBI clearance...I knew they went back to my schools, my records, coaches, friends and neighbors..
I remember thinking..If they go back to my old Catholic school I am so F*cked..The Nuns and I were like water and oil. The Interview is extensive..They asked if I ever had sex with animals and a million other questions..
But not one about what religion I belonged too.
| 1154 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:06:56pm |
I really must go...totally overdid it today.
Have a good night in case I don't make it back.
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callahan23 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:07:09pm |
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:07:23pm |
re: #1122 joncelli
Well, give the market time to absorb Obama's new statements and policies. Then they can panic in a more informed fashion.
Obama strikes me as having the same philosophy regarding the economy as FDR. I think he will be inconsistent, and make many attempts to experiment. The stock market responded very poorly to this, and stayed below its 1929 high for the duration of FDR's administration. Obama has already expressed an admiration for FDR, so I suspect that is the route he will take. It'll be a bumpy four or eight years, folks.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:07:37pm |
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MrSoCal Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:07:45pm |
I think it is because originally pump prices were dropping faster than crude prices, causing refiners to lose money.
re: #976 joncelli
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:07:50pm |
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:07:57pm |
re: #1131 Ward Cleaver
She's a Chinese actress who gets off on flashing her boobs in public.
Boob thread in 3... 2... 1...
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Peacekeeper Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:08:14pm |
"I just want to spread the wealth around"
Wealth left town, dumbass.
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yma o hyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:08:25pm |
re: #1129 calcajun
Very good post - and I happen to share your POV.
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hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:08:43pm |
Bad news for the ecocalypticians:
These new “secondary” forests are emerging in Latin America, Asia and other tropical regions at such a fast pace that the trend has set off a serious debate about whether saving primeval rain forest — an iconic environmental cause — may be less urgent than once thought. By one estimate, for every acre of rain forest cut down each year, more than 50 acres of new forest are growing in the tropics on land that was once farmed, logged or ravaged by natural disaster.
There is far more forest here than there was 30 years ago,” said Ms. Ortega de Wing, 64, who remembers fields of mango trees and banana plants.
The new forests, the scientists argue, could blunt the effects of rain forest destruction by absorbing carbon dioxide, the leading heat-trapping gas linked to global warming, one crucial role that rain forests play. They could also, to a lesser extent, provide habitat for endangered species.
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nevergiveup Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:08:53pm |
re: #1152 HoosierHoops
If I recall it took 4 or 5 months to get my FBI clearance...I knew they went back to my schools, my records, coaches, friends and neighbors..
I remember thinking..If they go back to my old Catholic school I am so F*cked..The Nuns and I were like water and oil. The Interview is extensive..They asked if I ever had sex with animals and a million other questions..
But not one about what religion I belonged too.
Same here, but they did want to know in detail why I had been in Israel 25 times.
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Dragonwolf Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:09:04pm |
re: #653 Dustyvet
Inga: Werewolf!
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Werewolf?
Igor: There.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: What?
Igor: There, wolf. There, castle.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Why are you talking that way?
Igor: I thought you wanted to.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No, I don't want to.
Igor: [shrugs] Suit yourself. I'm easy.
Wasn't it Froderick Frankenstein?
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:09:07pm |
re: #1157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is Gus her brother?
Does her brother Quis work for the US Government?
| 1168 |
loppyd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:09:12pm |
My parting gift via Hot Air
Video: Fox News host rips ACORN chief over reclaiming foreclosed homes
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:09:16pm |
re: #1149 Wyatt Earp
She was red hot in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
How could anyone tell who that was, with the mask she wore.
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snowcrash Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:10:04pm |
Here come the planned comments. John McCain up on deck.
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NukeAtomrod Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:10:07pm |
re: #1109 WriterMom
Yuck.
I didn't mean to offend... It's just that that is a part of American history now. I find it just as repulsive as you do. (And obviously a bit more humorous.)
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DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:10:14pm |
re: #1151 pat
BaiLingGal
If she were a clever American actress would she be known as CunningLingUs?
/anticipating smack down in 3... 2... 1...
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:10:15pm |
re: #1164 hans ze beeman
By one estimate, for every acre of rain forest cut down each year, more than 50 acres of new forest are growing
Fookin' Ents.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:10:34pm |
re: #1169 FurryOldGuyJeans
How could anyone tell who that was, with the mask she wore.
Apparently her nipples are well-known.
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MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:10:50pm |
The ONE is talking about his wonderful "Fiscal Responsibility" team building exercise. It all sounds so nice, just like the stuff you hear in one of those time-share or work at home commercials. I wonder if anybody out there is really buying this crapola. I mean besides the idiots who work at those camps where you force people to fall backwards and have their team mates catch them.
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calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:11:12pm |
re: #1172 DaddyG
If she were a clever American actress would she be known as CunningLingUs?
/anticipating smack down in 3... 2... 1...
"Whappity whapppity whappity whap whap whap." Is it dead yet?
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:11:21pm |
1. Barack Obama
2. Jesus Christ
3. Martin Luther King
4. Ronald Reagan
5. George W. Bush
6. Abraham Lincoln
7. John McCain
8. John F. Kennedy
9. Chesley Sullenberger
10. Mother Teresa.
| 1178 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:11:26pm |
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:11:42pm |
re: #1150 midwestgak
WTF is he yaking there to begin with?
The good news: We're all still breathing and kicking.
The bad news: We haven't come close to seeing the 'Biden Test.'
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:11:46pm |
re: #1176 calcajun
"Whappity whapppity whappity whap whap whap." Is it dead yet?
Are you trouncing him with a sea kitten?
| 1181 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:11:50pm |
re: #1168 loppyd
That made me feel better, thanks Loppy.
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LGoPs Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:11:54pm |
re: #1129 calcajun
Interesting times indeed. In "Hannah & Her Sisters", Max von Sydow's character responded to the question of how could the Holocaust have happened with, "I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often."
A pitfall of history is to somehow explain as anomalous any catastrophic event such as the Holocaust. The overly simplistic way of looking at it is that Hitler was evil incarnate, as though the Third Reich was some fluke or aberration of history that cannot happen again. Unfortunately, human nature has not changed, either in the actions we commit or in the way we look at the past.
The movie "Downfall" was criticized for "humanizing" Hitler. I think we need to look at Hitler as a human being. The Holocaust was perpetrated by human beings. And human beings will repeat their sins--if they think that their prior sins were due to some external force. The fault is not in our stars---it is in ourselves.
You hit on an interesting point. The great perpetrators of evil in our history did not get up every morning and go "Bwahahaha" into the mirror, IMO. Much of the evil they committed was exceedingly banal.
I don't know the antidote to this type of evil other than to be ever questioning of yourself. I think that trait is missing in the truly evil. Nothing more scary than a convinced, self-righteous idealogue......
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Wyatt Earp Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:12:00pm |
re: #1169 FurryOldGuyJeans
How could anyone tell who that was, with the mask she wore.
Oh, I could tell. Well, parts of me could.
| 1186 |
calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:12:09pm |
re: #1169 FurryOldGuyJeans
How could anyone tell who that was, with the mask she wore.
Sometimes, masks help things out. Oops--sharing too much again.
| 1187 |
DaddyG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:12:44pm |
re: #1176 calcajun
"Whappity whapppity whappity whap whap whap." Is it dead yet?
Quite. I'm sure MommyG will thank you for saving her the effort.
| 1188 |
Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:12:48pm |
| 1189 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:13:10pm |
re: #1174 OldLineTexan
Apparently her nipples are well-known.
The rest of the costume she wore was padded latex and body paint.
| 1190 |
sonar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:13:49pm |
The Dow's all time high close is 14,164.53 on 9 Oct '07.
When it drops to 7082, that'll be half of that Bush era record.
See if any of the press notices.
| 1191 |
callahan23 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:13:56pm |
re: #1164 hans ze beeman
Are you, by any chance reading 'Die Achse des Guten'?
| 1192 |
calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:13:57pm |
re: #1182 LGoPs
You hit on an interesting point. The great perpetrators of evil in our history did not get up every morning and go "Bwahahaha" into the mirror, IMO. Much of the evil they committed was exceedingly banal.
I don't know the antidote to this type of evil other than to be ever questioning of yourself. I think that trait is missing in the truly evil. Nothing more scary than a convinced, self-righteous idealogue......
Show me a political revolutionary that didn't think along the lines of "if you want to make an omelet, ya gotta break a few eggs."
| 1193 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:14:08pm |
| 1194 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:14:13pm |
re: #1184 Wyatt Earp
Oh, I could tell. Well, parts of me could.
Just a few days ago, I was sitting at an outdoor cafe with my wife, who was saying that she didn't understand why do many men find Asian women attractive, "I don't see what's so hot about them." Just then, an absolutely stunning Asian woman went jogging by, wearing Spandex. I wisely said... nothing.
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Nom de boom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:15:19pm |
re: #1148 yma o hyd
Hold yer horses - ££ will fall again, because the Bank of England is being given the green light to print money.
If you can wait with a decision until aprol, do so. Budget will be out then, and we'll all know better how abdly off we really are, excahnge rate included.
Sweet! Well, not for you guys, but for me anyway. I always feel guilty checking the exchange rate and seeing it a bit more in the dollar's favor. I know that translates into real-life consequences for millions.
| 1196 |
Amer-I-Can Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:15:22pm |
re: #652 Ben Hur
Refund?!?
Refund?!?
REfund?!?
/name that one!
Would that be the "lower class" who didn't pay any taxes? Just askin'
| 1197 |
snowcrash Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:16:07pm |
"The path to sustainability is health care reform". Sure wish I knew what was said in that break out group.
| 1198 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:16:21pm |
re: #1194 Occasional Reader
As Mr. Blonde always taught me, never volunteer information.
And with that, I need to leave. Goodbye all.
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jamgarr Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:16:23pm |
re: #1177 jcm
1. Barack Obama
2. Jesus Christ
3. Martin Luther King
4. Ronald Reagan
5. George W. Bush
6. Abraham Lincoln
7. John McCain
8. John F. Kennedy
9. Chesley Sullenberger
10. Mother Teresa.
Chronologically? By height?
Need more info
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hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:16:59pm |
re: #1191 callahan23
Yes, I do, ever since it was created (as well as Lizas Welt etc.) - are you located in Germany?
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sjm_888 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:18:27pm |
Stimulus my ass.
When is this clown in the White House going to do something meaningful to stop the fricken bleeding on Wall Street? How many drops like today can we put up with before he does something? Very frustrated.
| 1202 |
redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:19:03pm |
re: #1046 VioletTiger
Is there any possibility that Obama/Biden will look at the market and think?
'was it something we said?'/
not a hope in hell of that happening.
(FTFY, btw...... %-)
| 1203 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:19:12pm |
re: #1152 HoosierHoops
If I recall it took 4 or 5 months to get my FBI clearance...I knew they went back to my schools, my records, coaches, friends and neighbors..
I remember thinking..If they go back to my old Catholic school I am so F*cked..The Nuns and I were like water and oil. The Interview is extensive..They asked if I ever had sex with animals and a million other questions..
But not one about what religion I belonged too.
I did have a clearance back around 1983, and that took about 1 month to get. (Secret clearance) No one told me they were asked anything, but I did have references from people who had clearances in the past.
That ended when I left the job to go work at what was then a large computer company. Not that I regret leaving; I was a contractor and stuck in a project that was heading down.
| 1204 |
lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:20:23pm |
re: #1178 Cato the Elder
Get ready to start coughing up money to feed Zimbabwe - forever.
More than half Zimbabwe's population is in need of food aid and inflation - estimated by some economists at 10 sextillion per cent - has left its currency almost worthless.
I'm not even sure how many zeroes that is...
| 1205 |
callahan23 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:20:33pm |
re: #1200 hans ze beeman
Yes, I do, ever since it was created (as well as Lizas Welt etc.) - are you located in Germany?
As well as 'Spirit of Entebbe', I even have their superb t-shirt.
What a ball two lizards are also achgute Menschen. How very fitting.
| 1206 |
callahan23 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:23:39pm |
re: #1200 hans ze beeman
And of course I am a Pro-Israel, Pro-America and Neocon German.
| 1207 |
hans ze beeman Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:25:27pm |
re: #1206 callahan23
The evidence for that was overwhelming! :)
| 1208 |
Florida Lady Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:25:44pm |
I only pop in here from time to time when I think I have something noteworthy to say that hasn't already been said by the fine posters here.
But here is an exception:
The One is ruining our country and our futures, and he's doing it on purpose so he can remake America according to what Soros', Ayers', and his idea of the US should be. He wants all of us enslaved by and indebted to the government. Jerk.
Did I mention how much I can't stand him?
Thanks for letting me rant.
Now back to preparing tax returns for clients who are losing their shirts in business and the market.
| 1209 |
SixDegrees Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:26:01pm |
re: #1201 sjm_888
Stimulus my ass.
When is this clown in the White House going to do something meaningful to stop the fricken bleeding on Wall Street? How many drops like today can we put up with before he does something? Very frustrated.
Hopefully, never. Trying to nudge the markets is something Washington has no business even thinking about. The minute they start futzing with the market is the minute I cash out and buy gold.
The government's concern should be enabling a self-sustaining economy, not trying to play the ponies.
| 1210 |
calcajun Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:26:26pm |
re: #1204 lobo91
I'm not even sure how many zeroes that is...
Maybe we should just send Sally Struthers over there.
| 1211 |
petefreans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:26:29pm |
Little has been done to allay investor fears and I'm afraid this continuous talk about revolutionizing our economy without any substantive input from Wall Street will keep this market bearish. In between your mattress, figuratively and literally, is the safest play right now.
| 1212 |
Mike in Boulder Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:27:07pm |
Interesting plan that is being discussed for the housing crisis and as economic stimulus.
This was in Time magazine and has been discussed by Roubini and others.
| 1213 |
NukeAtomrod Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:27:15pm |
re: #1194 Occasional Reader
Just a few days ago, I was sitting at an outdoor cafe with my wife, who was saying that she didn't understand why do many men find Asian women attractive, "I don't see what's so hot about them." Just then, an absolutely stunning Asian woman went jogging by, wearing Spandex. I wisely said... nothing.
Asians get a +1 Charisma Bonus, just like Elves.
/ R.I.P. Gary Gygax
| 1214 |
Dragonwolf Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:27:41pm |
re: #780 MJBrutus
I think we'll see 5000 too, but not this year. Pumping trillions in to the economy will keep it breathing while the money is flowing. The worst times will come the morning after the big bucks are no longer providing artificial life support.
But doesn't most of the money come out in 2-3 years in areas that usually don't directly impact the economy?
| 1215 |
snowcrash Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:28:02pm |
Who is watching Obamas briefing. Not getting any facts just politicians swearing allegiance to Obama. lol What a briefing full of nothing.
| 1217 |
redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:28:41pm |
re: #1210 calcajun
Maybe we should just send Sally Struthers over there.
i don't think she's big enough to feed them all......
/white smoke
| 1218 |
Wendya Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:29:48pm |
re: #1214 Dragonwolf
But doesn't most of the money come out in 2-3 years in areas that usually don't directly impact the economy?
Telecommunications and construction related industry will be the big winners. The rest of us are screwed.
| 1219 |
redc1c4 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:31:05pm |
re: #1201 sjm_888
Stimulus my ass.
When is this clown in the White House going to do something meaningful to stop the fricken bleeding on Wall Street? How many drops like today can we put up with before he does something? Very frustrated.
what makes you think that this *isn't* what he wants?
| 1220 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:31:11pm |
re: #1214 Dragonwolf
But doesn't most of the money come out in 2-3 years in areas that usually don't directly impact the economy?
Yep, it's mostly transfer payments to deadbeats. But the fraction that is actually going to build real assets is still staggeringly huge.
| 1221 |
callahan23 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:31:42pm |
re: #1207 hans ze beeman
Are you still in Aachen? As your website has it's latest date set at March 02, 2004.
I'm living in Saarbruecken.
| 1222 |
SixDegrees Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:33:57pm |
re: #1204 lobo91
I'm not even sure how many zeroes that is...
Just a very few years ago, Zimbabwe was an African success story. It was the breadbasket of Africa, producing enough food to feed the entire continent, and had a thriving, self-sufficient economy as a result.
Now - cholera epidemics, no medical care at all, massive starvation, horrendous violence. All thanks to one insane megalomaniac, who is currently greasing the skids to flee to country and settle down in a multi-hundred-million dollar resort he's built for himself in Hong Kong. It makes the most stoic weep.
China could do the world a huge favor when Bob arrives in a few months. It will be interesting to see what they do.
Chirac actively abetted this insanity. Why aren't the Hollywood crowd yelling for his head?
| 1223 |
IslandLibertarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:35:32pm |
re: #1145 jcm
7,114.78
-250.89 (-3.41%)
Feb 23 - Close
When you've depended on welfare and handouts ALL YOUR LIFE, and the "0" (pronounced zero) tells you you're getting FREE STUFF, you don't give a rats ass about no stinkin' DOW.
Hell no, you pick "0" as better than Jesus!
/we are soooooooooooo screwed!
| 1224 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:35:48pm |
So I'm watching this silly pantomime going on in DC right now. I am so embarrassed by the thought that these people were elected (R's and D's) to represent us. Truly depressing.
| 1225 |
Cheechako Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:37:18pm |
re: #1011 joncelli
The refineries are in the lower 48. We need new refineries NOW, but it ain't gonna happen under the messiah.
No, we have 2 refineries in Alaska. Just not too much incentive to keep prices down.
| 1226 |
snowcrash Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:38:52pm |
re: #1224 MJBrutus
Me too. I can just imagine what they will do behind closed doors in the coming weeks.
| 1228 |
WoodstockDave Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:41:42pm |
Obama's stock market disaster has less to do with his wasteful, earmark-laden waste of $800 billion than with his failed leadership. He and his Treasury secretary haven't a clue about what to do to get out of this financial and economic mess. Even worse, they do things that anyone familiar with basic economics or market workings would know not do do. At every turn, they create fear, uncertainty, and doubt about what their plans are. They're creating an environment where businesses have no idea what's coming next. We don't even know what income and capital gains tax rates will be in the next year or two. How the f*ck are businesses supposed to plan with these incompetent, opaque idiots pulling the levers of government?
It's poetic justice that the young, who voted for this goon in droves, will be the ones to pay for this mess. Too bad the rest of us unwilling victims have to go along for the ride.
| 1229 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:42:09pm |
re: #1227 taxfreekiller
Is there a penalty for ,"unnecessarily stupid President", like this Obama thingey.?
Yes there is, and we're paying it!
| 1233 |
Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:45:32pm |
Here we have a president and a congress that just approved 800 billion dollars in what can be described, at best, that largest piece of pork legislation to come from DC since the dawn of man. Called a stimulus package, the market did not respond even an inch and instead continued it's downward path. All indications are that the DJI will continue downwards since it was revealed today that the credit and overall economy will be "locked" for the reminder of this year. There is no doubt that at this rate we will see it drop to well below 6000.
The reaction from this man, Obama, will be to return to his campaign styled rhetoric and essentially blame everything on the previous administration. This is odd considering the new administration was advertised as having near magical powers and was to employ the best of the best that Harvard, MIT and Yale can provide us. Instead, we have seen that their attempts have not reversed this downward spiral one iota and have in fact put into place legislation that will only accelerate the fall of the economy to end with a corkscrew into the ground.
| 1234 |
NukeAtomrod Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:46:19pm |
FoxNews Alert: Obama says the Stimulus Package was not ideologically driven...
I guess if Reid and Pelosi write legislation, then force a vote before is can be read, it's bi-partisan?
1984 arrived a bit late.
| 1235 |
Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:49:09pm |
Just a little piece of information. Amongst the many other bag of tricks awaiting us from Mayor Obama is to DOUBLE foreign aid.
| 1237 |
jimzinsocal Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:53:28pm |
The most interesting thing I read today was a joint statement from various FED's explaining options for Bank problems. Were inching our way[in my head] to Nationalized Banks. Not all but some.
From what Ive read any future capital injections will be in the form [this is new]
of convertible preferred shares.
If I understood correctly this option will also apply to preferred shares
during TARP I.
Convertible to common stock. Which means ownership of sorts.
| 1238 |
sandspur Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:56:44pm |
re: #584 Killgore Trout
I've been shilling for the Bob Brinker show every weekend. I'll continue to do so, everybody should be listening to understand what's going on with the economy and personal finance. We should be live blogging it.
I like Brinker, too. I have learned much from his show.
| 1239 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:58:12pm |
the stim package is bull$hit and people are increasingly understanding it. of course, the MSM will try and spin things in obama's favor. but they can't spin my 401k statements or the DJIA numbers. I just pray that we stick together as a people and do not allow our society to break down. we can always make our statement in the midterm election and vote for "change" that works. But I think all of us can play a role in making sure that we soften the economic blow for our friends who may be hurting. one thing I did last year was increase my charitable donations even though I took a financial beating in many ways. But I still have a job and want to be a good neighbor and friend to those who are truly hurting. And if all of us think of ways to help each other, we will come out OK ... eventually.
| 1240 |
SixDegrees Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:59:12pm |
re: #1228 WoodstockDave
Obama's stock market disaster has less to do with his wasteful, earmark-laden waste of $800 billion than with his failed leadership. He and his Treasury secretary haven't a clue about what to do to get out of this financial and economic mess. Even worse, they do things that anyone familiar with basic economics or market workings would know not do do. At every turn, they create fear, uncertainty, and doubt about what their plans are. They're creating an environment where businesses have no idea what's coming next. We don't even know what income and capital gains tax rates will be in the next year or two. How the f*ck are businesses supposed to plan with these incompetent, opaque idiots pulling the levers of government?
It's poetic justice that the young, who voted for this goon in droves, will be the ones to pay for this mess. Too bad the rest of us unwilling victims have to go along for the ride.
Exactly. The markets loathe uncertainty. They'll respond positively even to a stupid - but detailed and forcefully argued - plan. But even a whiff of incompetence at the top sends them into a panic. And we've gotten a whole lot more than a whiff.
Rather than running around trying to "stimulate" things, Congress and the Administration ought to be putting in place fixes for some of the things that went wrong. Mandatory, significant down payments for mortgages; mandatory credit and financial background checks for mortgage borrowers; mandatory income to debt ratios; outlawing of interest-only (or even worse) loans. Over on the banking side, an examination of these bizarre credit instruments with a highly leveraged mortgage wrapped in layer upon layer of additional borrowing needs to be done, and these and similar instruments need to be outlawed, much as leveraged stock purchases were severely curtailed following the 1929 crash.
So far, I have seen nothing whatsoever done to fix any of the structural problems that lie at the root of today's various crises. Just a lot of hand-waving, and a frenzied tossing of wads of increasingly devalued dollars at every problem, real or imagined.
It's just this sort of ignorance and inaction that has spooked Wall Street.
| 1241 |
WoodstockDave Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:01:31pm |
Obama urges spending curbs, hands out $15 billion
WASHINGTON – Urging future restraint even as current spending soars, President Barack Obama pledged on Monday to dramatically slash the skyrocketing annual budget deficit as he started to dole out the record $787 billion economic stimulus package he signed last week.
"If we confront this crisis without also confronting the deficits that helped cause it we risk sinking into another crisis down the road," the president warned. "We cannot simply spend as we please and defer the consequences to the next budget, the next administration or the next generation."
*****************
I don't think the Idiot Messiah can remember what he's done from one week to the next. Or is he exploding the deficit so it's easier to cut it in half, to a mere $500 billion?
| 1242 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:02:04pm |
re: #1240 SixDegrees
Exactly. The markets loathe uncertainty. They'll respond positively even to a stupid - but detailed and forcefully argued - plan. But even a whiff of incompetence at the top sends them into a panic. And we've gotten a whole lot more than a whiff.
Rather than running around trying to "stimulate" things, Congress and the Administration ought to be putting in place fixes for some of the things that went wrong. Mandatory, significant down payments for mortgages; mandatory credit and financial background checks for mortgage borrowers; mandatory income to debt ratios; outlawing of interest-only (or even worse) loans. Over on the banking side, an examination of these bizarre credit instruments with a highly leveraged mortgage wrapped in layer upon layer of additional borrowing needs to be done, and these and similar instruments need to be outlawed, much as leveraged stock purchases were severely curtailed following the 1929 crash.
So far, I have seen nothing whatsoever done to fix any of the structural problems that lie at the root of today's various crises. Just a lot of hand-waving, and a frenzied tossing of wads of increasingly devalued dollars at every problem, real or imagined.
It's just this sort of ignorance and inaction that has spooked Wall Street.
You mean like the day the ONE promised us that Tim "Turbo Tax" Geithner was give us all the details about TARP Part Deux and all we heard from TTTG was a bunch of hemming and hawing about why he couldn't tell us?
| 1243 |
Drider Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:06:47pm |
Not only do I want the O's plan to fail but if he keeps on his march to full fledged Socialism, I am leaning to a hope for a full fledged Civil War.
The only way the United States can survive is for the O's plan to fail unless someone can point out one molecule of sense,reason or logic in anything the Democrats have done to help revive the economy.
Better dead than red still applies.
| 1244 |
SixDegrees Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:07:55pm |
re: #1242 MJBrutus
You mean like the day the ONE promised us that Tim "Turbo Tax" Geithner was give us all the details about TARP Part Deux and all we heard from TTTG was a bunch of hemming and hawing about why he couldn't tell us?
Yeah. Like that day.
And there have been a lot of days like that lately.
| 1245 |
MJBrutus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:08:47pm |
Blast from the past. Everyone here remember, w-a-a--a-y back to last year when Hildebeast went on a rant, mocking Bush for going hat in hand to beg for oil from the Saudis?
Yeah, well pride goeth before the economic free fall. This week the biatch is begging the Chi-coms to buy more of our increasingly worthless T-bills to help finance their grand social experiment. Oh and don't worry about that human rights noise we were making, it was all just for domestic political consumption.
| 1246 |
WoodstockDave Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:09:05pm |
re: #1240 SixDegrees
Exactly. The markets loathe uncertainty. They'll respond positively even to a stupid - but detailed and forcefully argued - plan.
You just nailed it right there.
The GOP, if they had a pair, would be nailing the Idiot Messiah by appealing to the 90% of folks who are going to be paying their own mortgage plus some other idiot's, and appealing to the young who are going to have this huge debt piled on them at the same time that their Social Security and Medicare are disappearing.
| 1247 |
SixDegrees Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:09:10pm |
re: #1243 Drider
The only way the United States can survive is for the O's plan to fail
What plan? I'm increasingly convinced he doesn't have one.
| 1249 |
Drider Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:20:26pm |
re: #1247 SixDegrees
What plan? I'm increasingly convinced he doesn't have one.
The porkulus plan had his rubber stamp on it, ergo it is his.
The foreclosure bailout is totally his, increasing taxes on anyone at this time is his with his drool all over it.
I'll be honest, when the O won, I had vague hopes that he would do an "actual" stimulus that would jump start the economy and the news media would fall in line and tell everyone how things are peachy and we could get out from under all of this gloom that has been beaten into everyone and maybe instill a bit more consumer confidence, albeit a ruse but no.
We have this idiot defying every historically known, logical way of actually stimulating the economy and instead trudging ahead on a Marxist agenda from hell along with his fellow cohorts in the house and senate and to top it off he cant get off the mantra of how we are dead in the water, just to seal his deal for a Socialist America.
His plan in a nutshell is to create as much chaos as possible, put us in as much debt as possible to make it so achievers are brought down to the level of the losers as even as possible, thats it, no need to try and make it anymore complicated than that.
| 1250 |
jimzinsocal Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:07:34pm |
re: #1249 Drider
The porkulus plan had his rubber stamp on it, ergo it is his.
The foreclosure bailout is totally his, increasing taxes on anyone at this time is his with his drool all over it.I'll be honest, when the O won, I had vague hopes that he would do an "actual" stimulus that would jump start the economy and the news media would fall in line and tell everyone how things are peachy and we could get out from under all of this gloom that has been beaten into everyone and maybe instill a bit more consumer confidence, albeit a ruse but no.
We have this idiot defying every historically known, logical way of actually stimulating the economy and instead trudging ahead on a Marxist agenda from hell along with his fellow cohorts in the house and senate and to top it off he cant get off the mantra of how we are dead in the water, just to seal his deal for a Socialist America.
His plan in a nutshell is to create as much chaos as possible, put us in as much debt as possible to make it so achievers are brought down to the level of the losers as even as possible, thats it, no need to try and make it anymore complicated than that.
Indeed. I think alot of us had at least some hope that perhaps he'd turn around people's heads with some positive message. Thats an important part of getting out from under any recession.
But no.
Obama played campaign politics and continued with the "depression scenario"
So here we are/
He's still a community organizer with local thinking and fails to grasp
that "this aint Chicago"
| 1251 |
jimzinsocal Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:20:27pm |
And here. A link about what I mentioned earlier about the new Fed direction.....with some banks.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Obviously Harry Reid is playing word games.
Maybe in another life he'll get by Accounting 101/102 and
perhaps take an Econ course or two.
| 1252 |
luddite's bane Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:27:16pm |
Thoughts:
The best way to disguise a deflation in the the cost of goods and services (which would lock up the economy instantly) is to create in inflation in currency. The problem here is that it's like balancing a drop of mercury on a beach ball. It's a very dangerous game.
What many people seem to forget is that a recession doesn't need to be "fixed;" a recession IS the fix. When left to its own devices an economy can right itself. It's painful for many (I'm out if work because of it) but it is a necessary part of economic realignment. I must retrain, acquire new marketable skills, to survive.
Government regulation to keep a level a playing field is critical; regulation to alter the playing field to provide an advantage to one group or another can lead to skewing things so badly that recovery (returning to a level playing field) may be difficult if not sometimes impossible without severe social disruption. Did the federal government think that mortgage lenders didn't want as much (legitimate) business as they could get? While home ownership is (was?) the American dream, did the federal government stop to ask why certain people were unable to achieve the dream?
| 1253 |
lostlakehiker Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:28:51pm |
re: #504 zombie
OK, question for the financial whizzes out there:
I occasionally help a senior citizen manage his finances (he is disabled and nearly blind, etc.).
He has several looooooongstanding IRAs and other investments, some of which are tied to the stock market. He's had these for decades.
Basically, his "portfolio" has gone up and down with the Dow over the years. And, needless to say, it has gone down down down over the last 12 months.
All of his investments are classified as "conservative" in nature -- i.e. the least risky kind of investment/IRA. So they don't fluctuate wildly -- just follow the general trend of the Dow.
Now, he's old enough the remember the Great Depression, and he's starting to worry that this downturn won't ever bounce back -- that the stock market will literally hit bottom, that all the financial institutions will go bankrupt, and he will lose all his money. So he's wondering: Should he take out his (diminished) money now, and put it into FDIC-insured banks? Or do what I have until now been recommending: ride it out. Things may go down, but surely, either in two years or five years or ten years, it will go back up.
Important note: All the financial institutions which are handling these investments are well-known, top-notch, non-flaky companies -- you've heard of them all.
I tell him that if he sells off his investments now, he'll be "locking in the losses," and it would be better to "ride it out." Because he doesn't need the cash now -- it's his nest egg. And he's comparatively healthy -- he'll be around for several more years, undoubtedly.
What would you advise?
Not all in cash. Remember the Carter years. 15% inflation and more. Three years of that will wipe out a nest egg as thoroughly as this crash. Six years, and it's effectively all gone. And we're looking at 8 years of Obama, potentially.
Just as long as those non-flaky companies are not a dinosaur-list. I shouldn't name names, but there are some famous companies that stand on the brink of bankruptcy. Holding stock in those is a high-beta proposition.
He has to have nerves of steel, though. If he's going to hold on until 4000 (if it should come to that) and then sell everything instead of judging that there has to be a bottom somewhere, he risks selling just as inflation kicks in and the market panic abates, then holding his already drubbed funds in bank accounts that erode at 15 or 20% a year. Stocks are subject to panics, but they offer some protection from inflation.
| 1254 |
fredphd Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:35:00pm |
Maybe he's really not that stupid and naive. Maybe he and his cronies WANT to destroy wealth to make more people dependent on the government. What will be the government solution for people's failed retirement programs? -- nationalization of 401k, pensions and IRA accounts, replacing them with fixed
(low) growth investments. That idea has been around the beltway in the past but now there is an administration that may try to do it. The key "benefit" for the government is that they get to dole out the money to business the way they see fit, instead of private investors doing so based on their expectations about corporate profits.
| 1255 |
SixDegrees Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:42:51pm |
re: #1250 jimzinsocal
He's still a community organizer with local thinking and fails to grasp
that "this aint Chicago"
I believe that's the core of the problem. He's completely out of his depth, he has no plan, and he doesn't have the resources, knowledge or gumption to pull together a team to come up with one.
I don't buy the stealth Marxist argument. I think he's an incompetent empty suit who simply doesn't have a clue what he's gotten himself into or how to turn it around.
It also looks as though he's pulled a classic trick employed by incompetent managers everywhere - he's surrounded himself with people even less competent than he is, so he can bask in his relative superiority and not be threatened by someone doing a better job.
What's needed now more than ever is real leadership. There certainly doesn't seem to be any in the White House.
Pity that the GOP seems unable to fill that vacuum.
| 1256 |
jimzinsocal Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:57:19pm |
I will never give financial advice in any forum or space like this.
But if it were me...and in some ways the above example with the guy with conservative stocks in decline?....that is me?
Id consider splitting the difference.
Sell some perhaps and jam the cash into something more secure of late...like bonds.
Example. I own a pile of 3M. All shares purchased during the early 70's.
Via splits over the years I own 4X's what I bought back then which was 1000 shares.
But I still hedge as the stock value slides.
In my head? Better to take a one year ride up at say 4%
than see it all go south to the tune of 80 per share to around 45 today.
So sometimes for me? Ill sell some on the ride down and hopefully
do better % wise than letting it all go down to wherever.
But thats just opinion. Not advice.
| 1257 |
LC LaWedgie Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:10:43pm |
Well, Hollywood just had a $1B month - how about a "salary cap" of $500,000 on entertainers, just like they want for evil CEOs - anything above that amount they pay a 50% windfall profits tax?
Maybe that'll tone down the Oscar speeches to a dull whine.
| 1258 |
leww37334 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:49:09pm |
You didn't like today's market? Now that Obama has officially announced his plans to raise capital gains tax, just wait until tomorrow.
There should be no doubt in anyone's mind now that Obama intends to destroy capitalism, starting with the stock market.
As for those people who want to blame Bush, remember that Democrats have been making the laws since 2007. Also on 3 June, when Obama was officially recognized as the Democrat nominee the market was at 12,500.
It's been downhill ever since.
| 1259 |
neomexicon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:54:36pm |
no, I think obama is right.
when I am in debt, I usually just borrow vasts amount of money to get out of it.../sarc
| 1260 |
Mashiki Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:58:21pm |
I've heard more then once in the last month that this is starting to strongly mirror the 1880 crash more-so then the 1930 crash, I really hope it's not because if that's the case it'll be a lot worse. Time will tell, but it's sure not fun looking at all of this and wondering exactly 'what' is going to happen next when you've got loose bolts and nuts at the helm.
/slips back into the shadows.
| 1261 |
pittrader1988 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:06:29pm |
Since Obama overtook McCain for good, the S+P has dropped from slightly over 12000, to today's settlement. That's over 35% for people keeping score at home.
I am a professional trader. Tomorrow, there may be a bear market rally. Things can't go straight down. But, the Dow will see 5400 this year. Obama's budget address on Thursday will not be a breath of fresh air for the market.
The tax increases were begun to be priced into the market today.
| 1262 |
code red 21 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:10:27pm |
re: #137 Golem Akbar
As POTUS, Clinton tried and failed to remake the economy. He succeeded once he adopted the Republican model of free-enterprise and stimulus. Dems can win this one by realizing that socialism doesn't work in the 21st century. I mean, even the Chinese want free enterprise to work. President Obama can have the same kind of epiphany as did Clinton. And I hope it's soon.
It won't happen because BO isn't as smart as Clinton. My guess is that BO only thinks socialism hasn't worked in other countries because they didn't do it the way he is implementing it now in the US. He's got too fat a head to think he could ever possibly be wrong and that's what makes this time in our history so dangerous.
| 1263 |
JCW Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:54:40pm |
The Senate members could help with the stock market by committing to voting against cloture of any bill that includes President Obama's promised increase in the capital gains tax.
| 1264 |
Sacred Plants Tue, Feb 24, 2009 5:23:31am |
re: #3 Kenneth
Any experts out there, what should I do with my investments to protect them form the meltdown?
Sponsoring good ideas.
| 1265 |
Right Brain Tue, Feb 24, 2009 5:53:17am |
President Obama is speaking tonight, my guess is that he is still running for POTUS and will not mention the 22% drop in the stock market since he got elected. These prices are plummeting simply because people who still have money are fleeing the USA securities, where the money is going its hard to tell, if he thinks he's going to shuck and jive his way out of this, think again.
| 1266 |
3putt Tue, Feb 24, 2009 7:47:13am |
Hi all, I'm a new hatchling. Lots of good comments on this thread. As usual. However: I think it misses the most important point: What are you doing to protect your assets (asses?). As a point of reference: I spent 20 years in the Air Force and am AVID investor. Bottom line: Interest rates are going up. I don't know when but when the market is willing to accept negative interest for protection; that simply can't last. Hillary so much as acknowledge this as she begged China to continue buying our T-notes. They will be happy to oblige at higher rates.
I'm not generally a conspiracy nut but, as several others have noted, it appears Obama is determined to drive this market into the ground to advance his socialist agenda. His actions are below Econ 101. Incomprehensible.
I propose an overnight open thread for ideas on asset protection and investing.
I'll start: Buy TBT ETF Double short Treasuries: Buy USO: Oil MUST return to nominal production costs; buy UNG Ditto for Nat Gas, As protection of current assets sell covered calls or buy puts against existing positions.
Cash is always king. All bull markets end badly and all commodity markets end disastrously.
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