The Obama Administration and Durban II

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Middle East • Mon Feb 23, 2009 at 1:49 pm PST • Views: 281

Anyone who didn’t see this coming was not paying attention during the election to Barack Obama’s numerous ties to Palestinian activists and radical anti-Israel academics: The Obama Administration Sacrifices Israel.

The Obama administration’s decision to join the planning of the U.N.’s Durban II “anti-racism” conference has just taken a new twist: cover-up. On Friday, State Department officials and a member of the American Durban II delegation claimed the United States had worked actively to oppose efforts to brand Israel as racist in the committee drafting a Durban II declaration. The trouble is that they didn’t.

The Feb. 20 State Department press release says the U.S. delegation in Geneva “outline[d] our concerns with the current outcome document” and in particular “our strong reservations about the direction of the conference, as the draft document singles out Israel for criticism.” One member of the delegation told The Washington Post: “The administration is pushing back against efforts to brand Israel as racist in this conference.” In fact, tucked away in a Geneva hall with few observers, the U.S. had done just the opposite. The U.S. delegates had made no objection to a new proposal to nail Israel in an anti-racism manifesto that makes no other country-specific claims.

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1 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:49:36pm

Durban is poison . . and I don't mean the stuff some of you are thinking about.

2 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:50:36pm

0bama got a big bus and threw Israel under it.
I guess he was listening to the Rev. Wright curse Israel and Jews.

3 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:50:52pm

With friends like us who needs enemas?

4 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:51:07pm

What a shock!

The Obama administration lied to us? Next, you're going to tell me he hired a bunch of lobbyists.

5 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:51:51pm

So who is running the State Department? Hillary Clinton or Samantha Powers?

6 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:52:11pm

I still can't figure out if our diplomatic corps is conniving or just plain stupid. This really doesn't make sense to me on any level. Perhaps it is my naivete?

7 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:52:23pm

WOW! Who saw this one coming?

*LGF that's who*

8 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:52:38pm

re: #6 DaddyG

I still can't figure out if our diplomatic corps is conniving or just plain stupid. This really doesn't make sense to me on any level. Perhaps it is my naivete?

This is par for the course for the State Department

9 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:52:40pm

The big question is whether the US will sign the declaration or not.

10 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:52:50pm

re: #5 Kosh's Shadow

So who is running the State Department? Hillary Clinton or Samantha Powers?

the ghost of Edward Said.

11 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:53:03pm

And he had no idea that Wright had such beliefs . . .

12 Rednek  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:53:30pm

Under the bus with Israel.

13 LionofDixon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:53:49pm

It is hard to imagine a William Ayers administration, a Jeremiah Wright, or a Saul Alinsky administration having drastically different policies than the Obama administration. Marx, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mussolinin and the rest are now laughing in hell.

14 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:54:12pm

re: #6 DaddyG

I still can't figure out if our diplomatic corps is conniving or just plain stupid. This really doesn't make sense to me on any level. Perhaps it is my naivete?

No, the State Dept has been anti-Israel for a long time.
Compared with the rest of the department, Condi was pro-Israel!

15 yesandno  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:54:27pm

Genuflecting at the alter of political correctness, hate America first, and spread the wealth. Israel becomes expendable to the whine and crime crowd of the Middle East.

He will jump on board the moral equivalence bus of the UN and we will have to dig a great big hole to get down to that level.

/no principles

16 Idle Drifter  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:55:06pm

Spits.

We have a foreign policy that is beyond neck deep in the head to rectum ratio.

17 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:55:09pm

How long until the O' cuts all military support and bans helping Israel?

Conniving? Conniving infers some degree of intelligence...

18 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:55:09pm

Unlike most of the criticism of Obama this is indeed a change from the Bush years...
ADL Commends Bush Administration for Pullout at Durban Conference

19 LionOfDixon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:55:42pm

I guess this is Eric Holder's idea of courage in talking about racism. The rest of us are just cowards.

20 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:55:42pm

Taking for granted anti-semitism among some in the state department what possible benefit can the US derive from abandoning the only stable democratic nation in the middle east?

21 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:55:47pm

I'm sure, when imformed of this situation, that the world's neo-nazi's will rejoice at electing the POS zero. But it kind of puts them at odds with some of their other genetic hatreds.

22 dentate  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:56:08pm

And Rahm Emanuel stands there while his boss throws Israel under the bus...nice.

23 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:56:17pm

re: #17 anotherindyfilmguy

I don't think Obama is going to turn on Israel but he is going to try to sit on both sides of the fence.

24 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:56:19pm

No wonder the LA Times wouldn't release that videotape.

25 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:56:38pm

Speaking of Barry's old friend Bill, Drudge is reporting on Colmes interview of that failed terrorist on Hannity tonight. I didn't direct link it since it's one of Drudges flash links.

26 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:57:07pm

Durban II? 9/11 followed shortly after the first Durban conference. To quote Han Solo, I have a bad feeling about this...

27 mikeymom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:57:19pm

re: #24 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No wonder the LA Times wouldn't release that videotape.

that never did show up, did it? i was hopen, but nothing changes!

28 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:57:29pm

re: #6 DaddyG

I still can't figure out if our diplomatic corps is conniving or just plain stupid. This really doesn't make sense to me on any level. Perhaps it is my naivete?

Probably the latter, though I'm sure they think they are being conniving. What a bunch of losers... and HRC will drive the bus with glee.

29 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:57:38pm

I just have to say it one more time: "F*ck you Los Angeles Times for not releasing that video."

30 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:58:02pm

US Tennis Plays are Standing Up

Individual players agreed with the WTA decision, bravely protesting with actions and words. Defending champion Andy Roddick took the most courageous action, saying he won't attend because he doesn't agree with the United Arab Emirates' decision to deny Israeli Shahar Peer a visa to play in the women's tournament this week.

America's Venus Williams, who won her 40th singles title also bravely spoke out.

During the trophy presentation, Williams spoke about Shahar Peer, the Israeli player who was denied entry into the United Arab Emirates for the tournament because of what organizers called security concerns.

31 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:58:47pm

Are they going to invite Dick, or do they have enough this time around?

32 Gus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:58:53pm

===
Impeach Obama
===

33 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:59:08pm

re: #20 DaddyG

Taking for granted anti-semitism among some in the state department what possible benefit can the US derive from abandoning the only stable democratic nation in the middle east?

1) Oil.
2) "Maybe if we suck up to them, they'll stop hating us and blowing us up."

(1) at least has some rationality behind it, but it is a real "sell out your friends" move that isn't worth it.

(2) is the the typical leftist attitude of blaming the victim, and it only encourages more attacks.

34 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:59:26pm

And just what exactly did Obama do while he was in Pakistan as a young man?

35 callahan23  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:59:31pm

QUESTION: When is that horrid Geneva conference going to be held?
'cause I am planning on going there to protest them. Even if it's gonna cost me.

36 LionOfDixon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 1:59:51pm

re: #25 CyanSnowHawk

Alan who?

37 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:00:10pm

re: #28 Amer-I-Can

Probably the latter, though I'm sure they think they are being conniving. What a bunch of losers... and HRC will drive the bus with glee.

Can these fully grown adults really believe that placating bullies will bring peace? That alone is evidence that the 60's and 70's were responsible for vast amounts of drug related brain damage.

38 yesandno  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:00:59pm

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And just what exactly did Obama do while he was in Pakistan as a young man?

Wouldn't we love to know!

/know Pakistan would be one my list of vaction spots...not

39 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:01:04pm

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And just what exactly did Obama do while he was in Pakistan as a young man?

Lots of hash?

40 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:01:28pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Trying to sit on both sides of the fence and doing nothing in the face of evil can be seen as the same as betraying Israel. Of course we've been fence sitting with the Saudi's and most of the rest of the M.E. for way to long but that's a whole other topic...

41 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:01:32pm

Israel will decline to be sacrificed. Israel can not sustain a conflict with the United States indefinitely, because she needs parts sourced from US vendors and also because she has to few submarines, but she can say "No" to the US and I'd hate to be the 6th Fleet Commander if Obama and Powers try to push it. On the other hand the US would be in a similar supply position vis a vis China if it ever got ugly.

The Arabs thump their chests and talk Armageddon and existential threats, the Israelis live it.

42 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:01:35pm

re: #8 Creeping Eruption

This is par for the course for the State Department

State's antisemitism has been an open secret for at least 70 years if not longer. The only thing that's reigned it in has been a more or less pro-Israel WH in that time.

State's historical antisemitism now has a WH that's in agreement, and State's gonna' run with it.

43 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:02:23pm

re: #22 dentate

And Rahm Emanuel stands there while his boss throws Israel under the bus...nice.

He always was a Judas goat.

44 dhg4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:02:34pm

re: #7 jcm

WOW! Who saw this one coming?

*LGF that's who*

During the campaign a lot of people questioned Barack Obama's commitment to Israel. For our troubles, organizations like the NJDC and politicians like Robert Wexler would claim that we didn't know what we were talking about, or were racist for not trusting him.

At least Martin Peretz is starting to question the administration. Still I expect that most of the President's pro-Israel supporters are still in denial.

45 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:02:35pm

re: #33 Kosh's Shadow

1) Oil.
2) "Maybe if we suck up to them, they'll stop hating us and blowing us up."

(1) at least has some rationality behind it, but it is a real "sell out your friends" move that isn't worth it.

(2) is the the typical leftist attitude of blaming the victim, and it only encourages more attacks.


What we need now is automobiles that run on chicken soup. We can tell the mullahs to eat sand and Bubbies will rule the world by controlling the Matzo market. (One can dream)

46 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:02:37pm

re: #39 Dianna

Lots of hash?

With corned beef, of course.
/

47 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:02:40pm

I am seethingly angry. If this article is true, I can't imagine the fall out. We have exactly one democratic ally over there. Come to think of it, amongst our allies, how many actually like Americans? It ain't France or Saudi...

Israel is our bullwark. Even if I were not a Jew, I would have to wonder WTF.

48 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:02:49pm

re: #39 Dianna

Lots of hash?

If he tells me he didn't inhale, I am going to exhurl.

49 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:03:08pm

re: #37 DaddyG

Can these fully grown adults really believe that placating bullies will bring peace? That alone is evidence that the 60's and 70's were responsible for vast amounts of drug related brain damage.

It's the "Peace, Love, Dope" hippies with haircuts. The still cannot wrap their heads around the fact that Jihadis would just as soon see them dead as the rest of us. Oh well, as long as they start with them... hmmm...

50 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:04:29pm

re: #32 Gus 802

===
Impeach Obama
===

On what charge? Perjury doesn't meet the impeachment standard. Ergo the charge will have to be more egregious than perjury.

We're stuck till '12.

AND, we don't want to sound like the BDS crowd.

51 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:05:00pm

So let's say that the zero's admin. decides to cut military assistance to Israel. What other recourse would Israel have to keep aquiring arms, aircraft, etc.? Does anyone think another country would step up?

52 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:05:11pm

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And just what exactly did Obama do while he was in Pakistan as a young man?

Personally, I'd rather know how he got there, since it was illegal to travel to pakistan on a US passport at the time he went.

53 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:05:40pm

re: #47 LudwigVanQuixote

I am seethingly angry. If this article is true, I can't imagine the fall out. We have exactly one democratic ally over there. Come to think of it, amongst our allies, how many actually like Americans? It ain't France or Saudi...

Israel is our bullwark. Even if I were not a Jew, I would have to wonder WTF.

See my #20 - My WTF meter is way off the charts even for a gentile.

54 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:05:54pm

So how does this help Michelle's children?

55 kafir lover  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:06:03pm

I'm curious what a new survey of the American Jewish Community right now would reveal - however, I get the feeling that by and large they are still not getting the memo on this guy yet.

56 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:06:14pm

re: #41 lifeofthemind

Hell, Obama could attend personally and vote for every crappy anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian resolution and it still won't make a difference. The last Durban conference accomplished absolutely nothing. This one won't either.

57 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:06:17pm

re: #50 jcm

(up-dinged yours ... but still hoping we can get him on an inflated ergo.)

58 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:06:26pm

re: #5 Kosh's Shadow

So who is running the State Department? Hillary Clinton or Samantha Powers?

OBAMA

59 abaleh  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:06:37pm

It's not Anti-Semitism, it's a natural reaction to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands, much as Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara has made it a pariah state vilified throughout the World, and the same with French occupation of New Caledonia.

//

60 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:06:51pm

And this is only the beginning

61 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:07:03pm

re: #51 Soona'

I have no doubt the Israelis can fend for themselves. They are not a welfare state.

62 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:07:13pm

re: #53 DaddyG

See my #20 - My WTF meter is way off the charts even for a gentile.

With ya bro!

63 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:07:21pm

re: #50 jcm

On what charge? Perjury doesn't meet the impeachment standard. Ergo the charge will have to be more egregious than perjury.

We're stuck till '12.

AND, we don't want to sound like the BDS crowd.

We are not stuck until '12. We can neuter the guy in '10 with a decent congressional election. That is if he doesn't have ACORN rework the entire political process by then. (Sorry that last bit sounded a bit ODS)

64 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:07:51pm

re: #50 jcm

On what charge? Perjury doesn't meet the impeachment standard. Ergo the charge will have to be more egregious than perjury.

We're stuck till '12.

AND, we don't want to sound like the BDS crowd.

or in my case, worse...my lips are sealed

65 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:07:56pm

re: #51 Soona'

So let's say that the zero's admin. decides to cut military assistance to Israel. What other recourse would Israel have to keep aquiring arms, aircraft, etc.? Does anyone think another country would step up?

China probably would, but I don't think the Israelis would be too interested in anything they had to offer.

66 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:08:09pm

This was predictable. Unfortunately, I think that we will see a lot from this Administration that was predicted on LGF.

67 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:08:22pm

re: #32 Gus 802

Oh for crying out loud, let him do something illegal first, or produce some good solid evidence of said illegal actions. Failing that, we'll have to get him the old-fashioned way, and vote the bum out.

68 Silvergirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:09:02pm

From the look of the comments at the link, it's appalling that many are fine with the sacrifice.

69 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:09:17pm

re: #63 DaddyG

We are not stuck until '12. We can neuter the guy in '10 with a decent congressional election. That is if he doesn't have ACORN rework the entire political process by then. (Sorry that last bit sounded a bit ODS)

Tru Dat. He's just at 1600 till '12.

70 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:09:22pm

Things were bad for Israel under Bush '41 and bad under Carter but the prejudices of some staffers could not change the fundamental linkages between the US and Israel. Twenty years and vast sums have been expended to weaken that support.

Paradoxically there is a bright spot for Israel. The besieged Jews of Europe who would be expected to flee to America might choose to go to Israel instead. For a time Israel could benefit.

71 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:09:31pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Unlike most of the criticism of Obama this is indeed a change from the Bush years...
ADL Commends Bush Administration for Pullout at Durban Conference

Do you think ADL will come out against Obama on this one?

In my experience, ADL tries to oppose anti-Semitism whenever it's convenient, but its primary goal is to support left-wing political causes, and the Jews go under its bus whenever necessary.

72 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:09:39pm

re: #67 CyanSnowHawk

Oh for crying out loud, let him do something illegal first, or produce some good solid evidence of said illegal actions. Failing that, we'll have to get him the old-fashioned way, and vote the bum out.

impeaching presidents is a huge and embarrassing distraction America does not need...whoever is in office

73 Picayune  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:09:44pm

re: #25 CyanSnowHawk


yea, the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers - still has no regrets, even as he warns the O of a LBJ redo.

74 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:10:07pm

re: #67 CyanSnowHawk

Oh for crying out loud, let him do something illegal first, or produce some good solid evidence of said illegal actions. Failing that, we'll have to get him the old-fashioned way, and vote the bum out.

Actually, with the current makeup of the House and Senate, I doubt that you could impeach him if you had White House security camera video of him murdering someone in the Oval Office.

75 callahan23  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:10:46pm

re: #53 DaddyG

See my #20 - My WTF meter is way off the charts even for a gentile.

I am following this development since a while via UN Watch.
It's amazing this shit has been going on for way too long and one wonders, WTF?

76 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:11:04pm

re: #71 Last Mohican

Do you think ADL will come out against Obama on this one?

In my experience, ADL tries to oppose anti-Semitism whenever it's convenient, but its primary goal is to support left-wing political causes, and the Jews go under its bus whenever necessary.


I have to sadly agree.

77 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:11:25pm

re: #57 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(up-dinged yours ... but still hoping we can get him on an inflated ergo.)

If that was a crime, we could toss everyone in DC!

78 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:11:29pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Hell, Obama could attend personally and vote for every crappy anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian resolution and it still won't make a difference. The last Durban conference accomplished absolutely nothing. This one won't either.

They have bigger plans. Think Susan Powers.

79 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:11:36pm

Don't read the comments.

80 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:11:40pm

re: #51 Soona'

So let's say that the zero's admin. decides to cut military assistance to Israel. What other recourse would Israel have to keep acquiring arms, aircraft, etc.? Does anyone think another country would step up?

If Israel was denied American Assistance it would be disastrous. It's not that Israel could not defend it's self in the short run, but in the long term ( and that could be in as short a time as 6 months to a year ) things could get tricky depending upon the situation. And ultimately it means Israel might have to depend on it's ultimate weapon and that would be a sad day.

81 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:11:45pm

re: #59 abaleh

It's not Anti-Semitism, it's a natural reaction to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands, much as Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara has made it a pariah state vilified throughout the World, and the same with French occupation of New Caledonia.

//

Please tell me how Israel is occupying the Pali non-state. Israelis occupy Israel. Keep it simple and please sound informed, would you.

82 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:12:00pm

re: #63 DaddyG

That is if he doesn't have ACORN rework the entire political process by then. (Sorry that last bit sounded a bit ODS)

It did, kinda. But ACORN is going to get a hefty infusion of funding from the porkulus. And it now owns the services of a president whom it helped put into power. I'd expect them to push the envelope in 2010 and try to see just how much they can get away with.

83 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:12:03pm

re: #74 lobo91

Actually, with the current makeup of the House and Senate, I doubt that you could impeach him if you had White House security camera video of him murdering someone in the Oval Office.

The MSM would inform us that it was a rightous kill , done to benefit mankind. Check that 'Humankind"

84 dhg4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:12:23pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I don't think Obama is going to turn on Israel but he is going to try to sit on both sides of the fence.

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Hell, Obama could attend personally and vote for every crappy anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian resolution and it still won't make a difference. The last Durban conference accomplished absolutely nothing. This one won't either.

Perhaps not.

But then here was an American administration effectively affirming the Iranian view that the Holocaust is debatable.

And this Durban like the one 8 years ago was another effort to deny Israel's legitimacy. Back then it was Colin Powell who spoke up against the travesty. Now the man he recommended for President is playing along.

It may somewhat abstract, but I believe that there are diplomatic consequences to Israel when everyone teams up against it. It makes it harder for Israel to maneuver.

The Bush administration for all its mistakes understood this. The Obama administration either doesn't understand, doesn't care or really is hostile towards Israel.

85 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:12:29pm

re: #52 lobo91

Personally, I'd rather know how he got there, since it was illegal to travel to pakistan on a US passport at the time he went.

US Passport?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

86 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:12:47pm
87 Gus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:12:57pm

re: #67 CyanSnowHawk

I know that. It was just "a figure of speech." Kind of like a bumper sticker.

All of this is pretty sickening and it looked like the Obama administration is performing worst than expected on all fronts.

Have to wait and see what happens up to 2010 -- if we survive this first year under Mayor Obama. Than it's a matter of how much influence the MSM will have on a docile American public who's main interest is watching American Idol and getting drunk.

88 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:13:36pm

Oh Dear. Geert Wilders on Glenn Beck.

89 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:14:03pm

re: #82 Last Mohican

It did, kinda. But ACORN is going to get a hefty infusion of funding from the porkulus. And it now owns the services of a president whom it helped put into power. I'd expect them to push the envelope in 2010 and try to see just how much they can get away with.

This is what really disturbs me. I come up with a real conspiracy nut job theory about what is going on and within weeks the Odministration trots out something even more egregious. My paranoia just can't compete with their brazen politics.

90 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:14:07pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Hell, Obama could attend personally and vote for every crappy anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian resolution and it still won't make a difference. The last Durban conference accomplished absolutely nothing. This one won't either.

Yes, these things do "accomplish" something. They further mainstream the anti-Semitism of our time (thinly disguised, of course, as "criticism of Israel").

91 wiffersnapper  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:14:09pm

Goddamn ObAmerica!

92 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:14:33pm

re: #65 lobo91

China probably would, but I don't think the Israelis would be too interested in anything they had to offer.

Isn't China the country that has the "Long Dong" missile? Seems their technology is better and better. Thanks Bill.

93 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:14:48pm

re: #77 jcm

Ergo the charge will have to be more egregious than perjury.
(up-dinged yours ... but still hoping we can get him on an inflated ergo.)

If that was a crime, we could toss everyone in DC!

ergo ergo ergo ergo ergo !
heh .. gotcha!

94 Picayune  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:14:54pm

Geert Wilders is being interviewed by G. Beck, on Fox.

95 abaleh  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #81 Soona'

Please tell me how Israel is occupying the Pali non-state. Israelis occupy Israel. Keep it simple and please sound informed, would you.

Please notice the sarc tags.

96 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:15:20pm

I'm keeping my powder dry on this one until the actual conference happens - although I'm not holding my breath in anticipation of Obama doing the right thing.

97 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:15:31pm

re: #79 Ben Hur

Don't read the comments.

W*uldn't th*nk *f *t.

98 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:15:32pm

re: #89 DaddyG

This is what really disturbs me. I come up with a real conspiracy nut job theory about what is going on and within weeks the Odministration trots out something even more egregious. My paranoia just can't compete with their brazen politics.

Obama is impossible to underestimate.

99 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:15:33pm

re: #81 Soona'

Look for the sarc tags, look at the links.

100 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:15:48pm

re: #90 Occasional Reader

Yes, these things do "accomplish" something. They further mainstream the anti-Semitism of our time (thinly disguised, of course, as "criticism of Israel").

Exactly and further delegitimize Israel

101 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:15:51pm

re: #90 Occasional Reader

Yes, these things do "accomplish" something. They further mainstream the anti-Semitism of our time (thinly disguised, of course, as "criticism of Israel").

Right you are.

All part of the dehumanization process, now done as a de-statification.

If someone G-d forbid nukes Israel, more than half the world will justify it some way or another.

102 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:16:06pm

re: #81 Soona'

Please tell me how Israel is occupying the Pali non-state. Israelis occupy Israel. Keep it simple and please sound informed, would you.

Sorry. Didn't see your sarc tag. My bad.

103 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:16:21pm

Fine scudding clouds rip past the Towercam.

No good not to stand by Israel, there is that promise in Genesis; history bears it out IMHO.

104 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:16:31pm

re: #71 Last Mohican

It's possible. We'll have to wait and see.

105 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:17:05pm

re: #92 Soona'

Isn't China the country that has the "Long Dong" missile? Seems their technology is better and better. Thanks Bill.


We should never have given them access to viagra. Then they would only have the hang dong.

/

106 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:17:11pm

re: #101 Ben Hur

All part of the dehumanization process, now done as a de-statification.

"We hate you rootless cosmopolitans... for daring to have a country."

107 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:17:13pm

re: #88 tackle

what's he saying? Anything interesting?

108 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:17:18pm

re: #98 opnion

Obama is impossible to underestimate.


If W was misunderestimated is Obama hypo-overestimated?

109 abaleh  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:18:45pm

re: #102 Soona'

Sorry. Didn't see your sarc tag. My bad.

no problem

110 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:18:52pm

re: #108 jamgarr

If W was misunderestimated is Obama hypo-overestimated?

No, just proof that Americans will buy crap they see on TV infomercials.

/

111 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:18:55pm

re: #108 jamgarr

If W was misunderestimated is Obama hypo-overestimated?


Mis-underthebustimated

112 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:19:00pm

1.5 BILLION Muslims.
14 Million Jews.
6 Million in Israel.

Losers.

113 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:19:27pm

re: #92 Soona'

Isn't China the country that has the "Long Dong" missile? Seems their technology is better and better. Thanks Bill.

No, that's North Korea. And the Israelis have no real need for long-range missiles, anyway. As annoying as the French are, I doubt that they plan to nuke them.

In the short term, the main things the Israelis need to import are spare parts and ammunition for the US equipment they already have. They build their own tanks, and I haven't heard about any plans to massively purchase new aircraft from abroad.

114 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:19:34pm

re: #88 tackle

Is the segment over? He's talking some crap about values and principals and plugging a story about the border (I assume the Mexican border).

115 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:19:38pm

Very rarely in life is there a real black and white situation. This is one of those times. We shouldn't be dancing with the devil in Durban. Period!

116 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:19:38pm

re: #110 OldLineTexan

No, just proof that Americans will buy crap they see on TV infomercials.

/


"You know those community organizers make good stuff!"

117 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:19:48pm

I find it interesting that if I were to make a statement that I knew was false ahead of time to a federal official, I could get hauled in and convicted of obstruction of justice. But for the government and Obama and co to do it, its business as usual. Bah!

118 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:20:28pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Is the segment over? He's talking some crap about values and principals and plugging a story about the border (I assume the Mexican border).

We have to do something about those pesky Canadians.

/

119 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:20:33pm

re: #110 OldLineTexan

No, just proof that Americans will buy crap they see on TV infomercials.

/

Why do I feel like Sham-Wow Vince or Billy Mays just set me a big steamy?

120 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:21:13pm

re: #119 eschew_obfuscation

Why do I feel like Sham-Wow Vince or Billy Mays just set me a big steamy?

Big Steamy? Is that the one that presses your curtains?

121 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:21:26pm
122 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:21:32pm

re: #110 OldLineTexan

No, just proof that Americans will buy crap they see on TV infomercials.

/

Laugh all you want, but they sold 20 + million of those Snuggie things since October!

Windfall tax the Snuggie!

123 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:21:34pm

re: #113 lobo91

No, that's North Korea. And the Israelis have no real need for long-range missiles, anyway. As annoying as the French are, I doubt that they plan to nuke them.

In the short term, the main things the Israelis need to import are spare parts and ammunition for the US equipment they already have. They build their own tanks, and I haven't heard about any plans to massively purchase new aircraft from abroad.

Because they can't afford to many of the news ones. I know they have inquired about the F-35. I don't believe we are exporting the F-22 anyway and it's to expensive for Israel I think.

124 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:21:50pm

set = sent

(sheesh)

125 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:21:56pm

re: #119 eschew_obfuscation

Why do I feel like Sham-Wow Vince or Billy Mays just set me a big steamy?

Because every time Obama opens his mouth, market capitalization gets soaked up.

126 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:22:08pm

No love on 105 huh?

127 Teacake!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:22:18pm

Considering most of Os family are muslims and he had an islamic childhood, this was no surprise.

128 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:22:24pm

Did Beck just refer to himself as "Mr. HappyPants"?

129 Rexatosis  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:22:49pm

Weakness invites attack. Pres. Obama has shown little strength in foreign affairs so far. Attending this farce of a meeting sends a very bad signal to Iran, the Hezbos, Hamas, Syria, etc.

130 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:22:50pm

OMG, Mexican violence is spreading to the US!

131 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:22:53pm

re: #120 DaddyG

Big Steamy? Is that the one that presses your curtains?


... pile of bull excrement.

132 jaunte  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:22:54pm

re: #122 Ben Hur

Laugh all you want, but they sold 20 + million of those Snuggie things since October!

Windfall tax the Snuggie!

Who knew that blankets with sleeves was a hot concept.

133 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:23:00pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup

Because they can't afford to many of the news ones. I know they have inquired about the F-35. I don't believe we are exporting the F-22 anyway and it's to expensive for Israel I think.

If anyone need stealth strike aircraft, it's Israel.

134 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:23:14pm

Yah saw this over the weekend, oh joy.

135 mikeymom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:23:30pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

yes, yes he did ,the jerk!

136 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:23:45pm

re: #132 jaunte

Who knew that blankets with sleeves was a hot concept.


Monks.

137 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:23:46pm

re: #108 jamgarr

If W was misunderestimated is Obama hypo-overestimated?

No. This America-hating POS and his immediate advisors have been planning this for a long time. They're extremely conniving, manipulative, and calculating. Don't think for a moment that they're doing something just to see if it flys. They know their time is limited to about two years, until the next congressional election.

138 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:23:46pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup

Because they can't afford to many of the news ones. I know they have inquired about the F-35. I don't believe we are exporting the F-22 anyway and it's to expensive for Israel I think.

No export on F-22 and the production line is likely shutting down this year.
Israel has asked about the F-35s and IIRC, would like to buy in 2013 time frame.

139 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:23:51pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

OMG, Mexican violence is spreading to the US!

Actually true. Kidnapping as a cottage industry is on the rise in cities near the border. The major cartels are in a turf war.

140 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:23:51pm

re: #67 CyanSnowHawk

Can we please see his college apps so we can determine which country he affiliated with when applied to college? Thought not. /ducks and covers for being thought a nirther

141 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:24:21pm

re: #113 lobo91

No, that's North Korea. And the Israelis have no real need for long-range missiles, anyway. As annoying as the French are, I doubt that they plan to nuke them.

In the short term, the main things the Israelis need to import are spare parts and ammunition for the US equipment they already have. They build their own tanks, and I haven't heard about any plans to massively purchase new aircraft from abroad.

Israel probably has the capacity to assemble, transport and install a concealed nuclear device in every city of over half a million people in every country on the planet, with the probable exception of North Korea.

142 Athos  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:24:28pm

Carter Redux

That's all this is - and our current President is sure living up to his overachiever reputation...he's besting Carter in less than two months in office.

143 Teacake!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:24:30pm

At least Israel is no longer beholden to the wishes of the USA to cater to her own demise. Time to take off the velvet gloves.

144 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:24:39pm

re: #140 Shr_Nfr

Can we please see his college apps so we can determine which country he affiliated with when applied to college? Thought not. /ducks and covers for being thought a nirther

Is that you Billy?

145 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:24:51pm

re: #122 Ben Hur

Laugh all you want, but they sold 20 + million of those Snuggie things since October!

Windfall tax the Snuggie!

As a kid, a "snuggie" was just another term for "wedgie". They used to be FREE.

/

146 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:24:52pm

re: #138 CyanSnowHawk

No export on F-22 and the production line is likely shutting down this year.

This is truly f**king stupid.

We are dooming future US pilots to having to once again fight tooth and nail for air superiority.

147 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:25:08pm

re: #133 Occasional Reader

If anyone need stealth strike aircraft, it's Israel.

But the F-22 has to much sensitive secret stuff in it. I know they are looking at a stripped down version to export but that kinda defeats the whole purpose of the plane.

148 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:25:13pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

OMG, Mexican violence is spreading to the US!

Uh, yes, it is.

149 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:25:18pm

re: #108 jamgarr

If W was misunderestimated is Obama hypo-overestimated?

With your permission, I will use that.

150 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:25:37pm

re: #138 CyanSnowHawk

No export on F-22 and the production line is likely shutting down this year.
Israel has asked about the F-35s and IIRC, would like to buy in 2013 time frame.

why?...the F15 and 16s are far superior to anything in the mid east...are the airframes getting old?

151 Teacake!  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:25:40pm
36 Ben Hur -
re: #132 jaunte
Who knew that blankets with sleeves was a hot concept.
Monks.

LOL

152 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:25:42pm

re: #138 CyanSnowHawk

No export on F-22 and the production line is likely shutting down this year.
Israel has asked about the F-35s and IIRC, would like to buy in 2013 time frame.

I hear they are now just thinking about making 66 more?

153 LionOfDixon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:25:47pm

re: #142 Athos

At least Carter served in the Navy. Obama has has only let his nation serve him.

154 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:25:54pm

re: #138 CyanSnowHawk

No export on F-22 and the production line is likely shutting down this year.

I thought 60 more were going to be built? Will look for link...

155 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:25:55pm

I think this man is evil.

156 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:26:07pm

re: #129 Rexatosis

He has narcissistic personality disorder. He just wants to see his mug on the tube early and often like our amigo Hugo. Personally, I would prefer to see it on a wanted poster in the post office.

157 abaleh  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:26:07pm

re: #113 lobo91

No, that's North Korea. And the Israelis have no real need for long-range missiles, anyway. As annoying as the French are, I doubt that they plan to nuke them.

In the short term, the main things the Israelis need to import are spare parts and ammunition for the US equipment they already have. They build their own tanks, and I haven't heard about any plans to massively purchase new aircraft from abroad.

Israel has the capacity to develop and manufacture these spares and munitions, but it will be a great financial drain.
In addition, Israel does not have the capacity to maintain a long term state of war without resupply, so if the US "abandoned" Israel, I would expect that Israeli patience would be that much shorter. At any sign of provocation or perceived provocation, Israel would lash out without restrictions in order to safeguard itself. So in essence, appeasing the Arabs in this sense would actually endanger them.

158 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:26:09pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

If we don't have manned air superiority we certainly cannot deploy the drones we have been using.

159 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:26:17pm

Where the hell is the new "White House Dog"?

/yeah, I'm getting suspicious. So what.

160 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:26:36pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup

Because they can't afford to many of the news ones. I know they have inquired about the F-35. I don't believe we are exporting the F-22 anyway and it's to expensive for Israel I think.

Israel is part of the coalition that's working on the F-35, so it's presumed that they'll actually buy some of them. I don't think any are going to be delivered for several years, though (hence the reference to "short term" purchases).

I don't think the Israelis would be all that interested in the F-22, anyway. It's kind of overkill in their neighborhood.

161 Gitarzan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:26:45pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

This is truly f**king stupid.

We are dooming future US pilots to having to once again fight tooth and nail for air superiority.

I'm sure that if the libs/socialists (headed by Dear Leader) had their way, our military would be fighting with rocks and sticks...

162 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:26:57pm

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Feds reject imams' complaint against US Airways (via HotAir)

Hi News! hope today finds you well..Thanks for sending me those emails...Maxine one cracked me up

163 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:27:05pm

re: #150 albusteve

why?...the F15 and 16s are far superior to anything in the mid east...are the airframes getting old?

Yes. See here.

164 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:27:25pm

re: #159 IslandLibertarian

Where the hell is the new "White House Dog"?

/yeah, I'm getting suspicious. So what.

They already have a pit bull named Rahm - what else were you expecting?

165 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:27:39pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

OMG, Mexican violence is spreading to the US!

Wow. Who would have seen that coming?
///

166 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:27:56pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

This is truly f**king stupid.

We are dooming future US pilots to having to once again fight tooth and nail for air superiority.

it's too expensive...an F15 can kill anything that flies easily, it's never been defeated

167 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:27:58pm

re: #158 Ojoe

If we don't have manned air superiority we certainly cannot deploy the drones we have been using.

We have no current enemies with any real capacity.

Hence the short-sighted Harvard School of Business bottom-line mentality.

Plus the F-22 is EXPENSIVE. The F-35 will be produced in much greater numbers.

168 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:28:14pm

re: #161 talon_262

I'm sure that if the libs/socialists (headed by Dear Leader) had their way, our military would be fighting with rocks and sticksobsolete...

Fixed

169 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:28:20pm

re: #149 opnion

With your permission, I will use that.


With my blessing

170 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:28:28pm

re: #159 IslandLibertarian

Where the hell is the new "White House Dog"?

/yeah, I'm getting suspicious. So what.

Mi ... oh, nevermind.

171 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:28:31pm

re: #132 jaunte

Who knew that blankets with sleeves was a hot concept.

hey..Guess nobody has seen a sweater lately...

172 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:28:42pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Is the segment over? He's talking some crap about values and principals and plugging a story about the border (I assume the Mexican border).

Sorry - had to step out for a bit. I didn't see the whole segment, but they were discussion the free speech issue where Geert said some things (I don't think they discussed exactly what) and was consequently denied entry into the UK. It's too bad Beck didn't pursue any of Geert's racist leanings.

173 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:29:00pm

re: #139 OldLineTexan

I strongly suspect Beck is using bogus statistics. I'm pretty sure most kidnappings in the US are children and women in domestically/sexually motivated crimes.

174 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:29:23pm

re: #162 HoosierHoops

Hi News! hope today finds you well..Thanks for sending me those emails...Maxine one cracked me up


You are welcome. You doing ok in Hoosierland?

175 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:29:31pm

re: #160 lobo91

Israel is part of the coalition that's working on the F-35, so it's presumed that they'll actually buy some of them. I don't think any are going to be delivered for several years, though (hence the reference to "short term" purchases).

I don't think the Israelis would be all that interested in the F-22, anyway. It's kind of overkill in their neighborhood.


I am just concerned we are not going to build enough for ourselves. I know they are expensive but we will be stuck with maintaining both the new line and all our older lines of fighters.

176 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:29:33pm
177 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:29:39pm

re: #158 Ojoe

If we don't have manned air superiority we certainly cannot deploy the drones we have been using.

Oh, don't get me started on the imbeciles who say "these expensive fighter aircraft are irrelvant to fighting terrorists".

178 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:29:53pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Aluminum has a definite fatigue life.

179 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:29:55pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Yes. See here.

More proof of Racism in Amerikkka!

/Jeremiah "Dirty Sanchez" Wright

180 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:30:05pm

Like all his other policies, The One is never FOR something, he is always AGAINST something.

He is not FOR the Palestinians (neither are the Arabs or the rest of the leftists), He is AGAINST Israel.

181 Gitarzan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:30:28pm

re: #166 albusteve

it's too expensive...an F15 can kill anything that flies easily, it's never been defeated

Except by the F-22 in training exercises, IIRC.

182 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:30:35pm

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

test.


Are we the test-ees?

183 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:30:52pm
184 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:30:58pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Yes. See here.

thanks I booked it..I had no idea India has a better plane than an F15...what is it?

185 callahan23  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:31:08pm

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

test.

Working fine.

186 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:31:16pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect Beck is using bogus statistics. I'm pretty sure most kidnappings in the US are children and women in domestically/sexually motivated crimes.

I didn't hear what Beck said, but things are pretty hot in Phoenix.

187 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:31:16pm
188 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:31:40pm

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

test.

testicalibration?

189 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:31:47pm
"Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart."

-Anne Frank

Bullshit.

I mean no disrespect to this girl or her memory, but this is the sentiment of a child. People are short nasty and brutish. We've been that way since the first humans built more than two mud huts within spitting distance of each other and formed a village (soon followed by an HOA). If people were so damned good, we would not need social rules or laws. The first step to understand why humans do what they do is to accept human nature for what it is. To think otherwise will get you yanked out of the gene pool.

That being said, this isn't racism. It is dislike of other people groups that drives things like this. You dislike them because of petty differences, or they sit on land you want, or they have more toys. It's flesh that drives this kind of hate. It's our facility for rationalizing it that somehow legitimizes it.

What this is about is the same old story. The neighboring Arab states hate the concept of Israel on many levels going back ages. All we are doing is falling back into the same old pattern of tacit antisemitism. This is not about "race"--we're all humans. This is about trying to keep Israel from defending itself and ensuring its security.

190 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:31:51pm

re: #166 albusteve

it's too expensive...an F15 can kill anything that flies easily, it's never been defeated

Again, see my link above. The F-15 has been a history-making fighter aircraft, but it's an almost FORTY year old design. The latest generation MiG and Sukhois overmatch it.

191 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:32:01pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect Beck is using bogus statistics. I'm pretty sure most kidnappings in the US are children and women in domestically/sexually motivated crimes.

Agreed. I'm sure MOST kidnappings in the US are exactly as you describe.

192 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:32:24pm
193 Kragar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:32:26pm

I'm thinking of term that ryhmes with sockcuckers to describe these weasely little shits

194 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:32:46pm

re: #101 Ben Hur

Right you are.

All part of the dehumanization process, now done as a de-statification.

If someone G-d forbid nukes Israel, more than half the world will justify it some way or another.

If Iran nuked Tel Aviv and the Israelis retaliated by nuking Tehran, the UN and most of the rest of the world would criticize Israel's "disproportionate response".
Same if Israel attacked purely military targets in Iran and no cities.

195 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:32:47pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

I lived in Phoenix, it's not really anything new.

196 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:32:49pm

re: #92 Soona'

Isn't China the country that has the "Long Dong" missile? Seems their technology is better and better. Thanks Bill.


re: #113 lobo91

Israel has a much better missile of its own and it has been operational for many years.
Interestingly enough, the original version was based on French technology. Jericho rocket family

197 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:32:55pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect Beck is using bogus statistics. I'm pretty sure most kidnappings in the US are children and women in domestically/sexually motivated crimes.


Phoenix has second highest kidnapping rate in the world.
police received 366 kidnapping-for-ransom reports last year, and 359 in 2007. Police estimate twice that number go unreported.

198 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:33:08pm
199 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:33:19pm

re: #174 newsjunkie_ky

You are welcome. You doing ok in Hoosierland?

Doing wonderful..Little Winston is doing great also..I still can't stand the smell of dog food..I can smell it from here and his bowl is in the kitchen..
He needs to take up people food or something..I gag when i open a can of dog food...

200 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:33:26pm

re: #183 NYCHardhat

Obama: Do as I say, not do as I do.

Is the tide turning against Obama?

201 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:33:29pm

re: #188 pre-Boomer Marine brat

testicalibration?

You left off "supercalafragilistic"

202 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:33:40pm

re: #184 albusteve

thanks I booked it..I had no idea India has a better plane than an F15...what is it?

Su-30 (IIRC) with top of the line avionics suite.

203 phillygirl  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:33:50pm

re: #30 midwestgak

America's Venus Williams, who won her 40th singles title also bravely spoke out.

During the trophy presentation, Williams spoke about Shahar Peer, the Israeli player who was denied entry into the United Arab Emirates for the tournament because of what organizers called security concerns.

Following in the "Holder" tradition, the Williams sisters remained cowards and stayed in the tournament. If they had any guts they would have withdrawn, as Andy Roddick did. At the very least they should have signed over their winnings to Israeli charities. I guess if you are rich you can participate in discrimination. Jews marched with Blacks during the Civil Rights movement. When have black athletes recipricated?

204 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:34:14pm
205 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:34:22pm

Glenn Beck is a complete buffoon.

206 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:34:31pm

re: #189 calcajun

The first step to understand why humans do what they do is to accept human nature for what it is. To think otherwise will get you yanked out of the gene pool.

Nicely put. You can appleal to some very powerful positive human traits but being ignorant of the more brutish ones is deadly.

207 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:34:32pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

This is truly f**king stupid.

We are dooming future US pilots to having to once again fight tooth and nail for air superiority.

Talk to the Pentagon planners. Here are the contracted numbers from Wikipedia sourced from here.

The United States Air Force originally planned to order 750 ATFs, with production beginning in 1994; however, the 1990 Major Aircraft Review altered the plan to 648 aircraft beginning in 1996. The goal changed again in 1994, when it became 442 aircraft entering service in 2003 or 2004, but a 1997 Department of Defense report put the purchase at 339. In 2003, the Air Force said that the existing congressional cost cap limited the purchase to 277. By 2006, the Pentagon said it will buy 183 aircraft, which would save $15 billion but raise the cost of each aircraft, and this plan has been de facto approved by Congress in the form of a multi-year procurement plan, which still holds open the possibility for new orders past that point. The total cost of the program by 2006 was $62 billion.

208 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:34:35pm

re: #175 Nevergiveup

I am just concerned we are not going to build enough for ourselves. I know they are expensive but we will be stuck with maintaining both the new line and all our older lines of fighters.

We've done it many times before. Our military guys are up to it.

209 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:34:46pm

re: #201 jamgarr

You left off "supercalafragilistic"

Go easy on me.
I don't need to feel any chittier about myself.

210 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:34:48pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect Beck is using bogus statistics. I'm pretty sure most kidnappings in the US are children and women in domestically/sexually motivated crimes.

You realize that your second statement does not actually contradict what Beck is saying, right?

And do you really think the truly epoch-making drug violence happening in Mexico right now is just neatly stopping at the border?!

211 Kragar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:34:51pm

re: #204 buzzsawmonkey

Even if it does, we're stuck with him for another 3 years and 11 months minimum.

Barring meteor strikes

212 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:34:57pm

re: #202 Occasional Reader

Su-30 (IIRC) with top of the line avionics suite.

Yeah, but the pilot has to keep breaking radio silence to answer Microsoft Hotline calls, so it's a wash.

213 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:35:01pm

re: #205 Charles

Glenn Beck is a complete buffoon.

He is kinda doom and gloom isn't he?

214 Macker  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:35:09pm

re: #5 Kosh's Shadow

So who is running the State Department? Hillary Clinton or Samantha Powers?

Yes?

215 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:35:18pm

re: #208 Soona'

We've done it many times before. Our military guys are up to it.

I know that, but it gets kinda expensive

216 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:35:23pm

re: #205 Charles

Glenn Beck is a complete buffoon.

Not complete. His hair is terrible.

/

217 tackle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:35:24pm

OT, but was anyone else disgusted by the self-congratulatory, cozy, light-hearted discussion Obama and the media had after their little "we've decided to put a facade of responsiblity" summit? When will the press stop being yes-men and fawning at every damn thing he says?

218 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:35:35pm

re: #190 Occasional Reader

Again, see my link above. The F-15 has been a history-making fighter aircraft, but it's an almost FORTY year old design. The latest generation MiG and Sukhois overmatch it.

must mean the Mig 30 and 33s...

219 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:35:37pm

re: #150 albusteve

why?...the F15 and 16s are far superior to anything in the mid east...are the airframes getting old?

Actually, there are a number of aircraft out there that can equal or beat the F-15 or F-16. The real advantage the Israelis have there is in pilot quality and experience.

Airframe age is more of a factor in our own planes, which makes the decision to cut back procurement of the F-22 even dumber. The average age of our F-15 fleet is around 24 years.

220 Gus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:35:41pm

re: #50 jcm

See #87

221 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:35:59pm

re: #210 Occasional Reader

You realize that your second statement does not actually contradict what Beck is saying, right?

And do you really think the truly epoch-making drug violence happening in Mexico right now is just neatly stopping at the border?!

There's a very real problem. But people like Glenn Beck are pumping it up like demagogues on meth.

222 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:36:11pm

re: #203 phillygirl

Following in the "Holder" tradition, the Williams sisters remained cowards and stayed in the tournament. If they had any guts they would have withdrawn, as Andy Roddick did. At the very least they should have signed over their winnings to Israeli charities. I guess if you are rich you can participate in discrimination. Jews marched with Blacks during the Civil Rights movement. When have black athletes recipricated?

The Williams sisters are activists.

Born after the split between the Civil Rights movement founding Jews and the blacks who benefited from their activism.

I think they're radical, like Michelle.

223 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:36:15pm

re: #199 HoosierHoops

Doing wonderful..Little Winston is doing great also..I still can't stand the smell of dog food..I can smell it from here and his bowl is in the kitchen..
He needs to take up people food or something..I gag when i open a can of dog food...


I know what you mean. Izzy will eat anything she finds. Sometimes things that are really bad for her (outside) and then she pays for it and then I pay for it. If you get my drift.

224 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:36:19pm

Far too many were paying attention during the election. For far too many, their ignorance is entirely willful. I repeatedly remarked on the way I informed my own mother about this man's friends and what it forebode for his non-support of Israel. But she is a liberal. Specifically, she is a habitual D voter. When I was a kid, D meant people like Ed Koch in NY where I grew up. Or Joe Lieberman or any of several other respectable people. Sure, their economics were spread the welfare clap trap, but nothing as bad as today's looters. However, they were all loyal to this country, and wanted us and our allies to succeed (and knew who our friends were).

Time went on, and she just went along with the program, never stopping to look back at how far she'd been led down the primrose path to hell. So when Bambi stands up at AIPAC and makes promises about how much he intends to support and stand by Israel she was satisfied. Trust and don't verify, because he seems like such a nice, young, liberal man.

225 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:36:22pm

re: #133 Occasional Reader

If anyone need stealth strike aircraft, it's Israel.

The F-22 is primarily for air superiority. The Israeli's don't need it because none of the Arab countries have sufficiently advanced competition.
The F-35 is a strike aircraft, but it has limited weapons storage (internal only to preserve stealth), and the US won't let Israel modify it for their own uses.

226 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:36:39pm

re: #150 albusteve

why?...the F15 and 16s are far superior to anything in the mid east...are the airframes getting old?

That's part of it. You can't rely on what you've got when your adversaries might soon start fielding effective counter-measures.

227 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:36:48pm

re: #203 phillygirl

Following in the "Holder" tradition, the Williams sisters remained cowards and stayed in the tournament. If they had any guts they would have withdrawn, as Andy Roddick did. At the very least they should have signed over their winnings to Israeli charities. I guess if you are rich you can participate in discrimination. Jews marched with Blacks during the Civil Rights movement. When have black athletes reciprocated?

Excellent point.

228 Lee Coller  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:37:03pm

re: #32 Gus 802

===
Impeach Obama
===

Do we really have to lower ourselves to the level of the moonbats?

re: #50 jcm

On what charge? Perjury doesn't meet the impeachment standard. Ergo the charge will have to be more egregious than perjury.

We're stuck till '12.

AND, we don't want to sound like the BDS crowd.

1000 updings. Though this technically isn't perjury.

229 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:37:50pm

re: #200 Ben Hur

Is the tide turning against Obama?

Unfortunately, not yet. Still 60% approval.

230 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:37:59pm

The State Department is nicknamed "Foggy Bottom".
I've always figured there was some sort of quadruple-meaning in that.

/and obscene

231 pat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:38:00pm

The F-22 may not be exported by law. Nevertheless, 3 countries have applied for an exemption that can only be given by both Houses, Australia, Israel, and Japan. Of these, Japan has sold tech to the Russians, and Israel to the Chinese. Both of these countries sold American tech that they promised by treaty not too. Japan is thought to be the most likely candidate, and the only one that could actually pay for the aircraft.

232 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:38:03pm

re: #141 lifeofthemind

Israel probably has the capacity to assemble, transport and install a concealed nuclear device in every city of over half a million people in every country on the planet, with the probable exception of North Korea.

And that doesn't frighten me.
But if Al Qaeda had even one nuke, it would. Or Iran for that matter.

233 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:38:07pm

re: #121 newsjunkie_ky

Feds reject imams' complaint against US Airways (via HotAir)

great news.
now we just need some smart citizens on the jury.
to stop their roper gravy train in its tracks.

234 Gus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:38:18pm

re: #228 Lee Coller

OK already. Three comments on that "Impeach Obama" post.

235 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:38:29pm

re: #152 Nevergiveup

I hear they are now just thinking about making 66 more?

That would be nice. Bush punted the line shutdown decision to the O-dministration. He funded the production at a minimum level for the '09 defense budget.

236 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:38:49pm

re: #197 newsjunkie_ky

I skimmed the article but I didn't see where they got the statistics from. More kidnappings than Baghdad? Columbia? Brazil? Yemen? I seriously doubt it.

237 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:39:20pm

re: #229 Soona'

Unfortunately, not yet. Still 60% approval.

40% that saw it as American Idol.

I mean amongst the pundits and politically active observers.

238 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:39:27pm

re: #221 Charles

Demagogues on Meth.

Rotating Title Candidate.

239 Irenike  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:39:54pm

I'd love to see what John Bolton has to say about this.

And I'd also love to get into some discussion with Obama voters at my synagogue. Sadly, Comrade President is going to have to be more blatant in his anti-Semitism before it makes any impression on liberal Jews. Many that I have talked to already think he is going to do great things, and they can't believe everybody doesn't share their enthusiasm.

240 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:39:56pm

re: #221 Charles

Demagogues on Meth.


Great band name.

241 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:39:57pm

BBL.

242 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:40:01pm

re: #225 Kosh's Shadow

The F-22 is primarily for air superiority. The Israeli's don't need it because none of the Arab countries have sufficiently advanced competition.
The F-35 is a strike aircraft, but it has limited weapons storage (internal only to preserve stealth), and the US won't let Israel modify it for their own uses.

The F-22 is designed to be multi-role. And while the current playing field in the middle east is still heavily tilted toward IAF pilots, that is an asset that needs constant investment to protect, as newer generation Russian planes increasingly come on line in hostile countries. Also consider that IAF pilots will doubtless be called upon to fly highly risky missions... like, oh, say, penetrating deep into Iran to hit nuke sites. If you have to do that, it's awfully nice to be in a plane that's invisible, and one that can take out any other fighter aircraft in the sky before the hostile pilot even knows that the fight has started.

Maybe the F-35 can fill that role, I sure as hell hope so.

243 pat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:40:04pm

re: #178 Ojoe

Aluminum has a definite fatigue life.

Aloha 243
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

244 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:40:43pm

re: #229 Soona'

Unfortunately, not yet. Still 60% approval.


They must be polling a lot more dems and indys than republicans. And they will stick with him even when the ship is under the water.

245 dhg4  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:41:06pm

re: #203 phillygirl

Following in the "Holder" tradition, the Williams sisters remained cowards and stayed in the tournament. If they had any guts they would have withdrawn, as Andy Roddick did. At the very least they should have signed over their winnings to Israeli charities. I guess if you are rich you can participate in discrimination. Jews marched with Blacks during the Civil Rights movement. When have black athletes recipricated?

The Washington Post also criticized Dubai in an editorial but did not withdraw its support for the tournament, unlike the WSJ, which backed up its commitment to freedom with action.

In other words there were others who said the right thing, but couldn't bring themselves to do the right thing.

246 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:41:25pm

This is really shameful to all Americans, and I am one, if true. I would feel more strongly about it if it was sourced.

"We are the ones (Jew haters) that we've been waiting for"?

247 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:41:32pm

re: #221 Charles

There's a very real problem. But people like Glenn Beck are pumping it up like demagogues on meth.

There are definitely bad uses that can be made with the information, I agree.

248 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:41:33pm

re: #232 Kosh's Shadow

And that doesn't frighten me.
But if Al Qaeda had even one nuke, it would. Or Iran for that matter.

Concur, the reference was to how many IR/ICBMs they need.

249 pat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:41:33pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

I skimmed the article but I didn't see where they got the statistics from. More kidnappings than Baghdad? Columbia? Brazil? Yemen? I seriously doubt it.

The Economist reported the same thing.

250 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:41:56pm

re: #200 Ben Hur

Is the tide turning against Obama?

He thinks he'll succeed where King Canute failed.

251 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:42:07pm

build the damned F 22!...I really hate being second best...BUILD IT!

252 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:42:43pm

re: #249 pat

The Economist reported the same thing.

Maybe we should use the clarification from the article ... kidnappings for ransom.

253 Lee Coller  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:42:52pm

re: #205 Charles

Glenn Beck is a complete buffoon.

But who is the bigger buffoon. The buffoon himself or the ones that promote him? Are you listening Fox News?

254 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:43:06pm

re: #251 albusteve

build the damned F 22!...I really hate being second best...BUILD IT!

That is one of the first thing Obama is cutting

255 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:43:32pm

re: #160 lobo91

Israel is part of the coalition that's working on the F-35, so it's presumed that they'll actually buy some of them. I don't think any are going to be delivered for several years, though (hence the reference to "short term" purchases).

I don't think the Israelis would be all that interested in the F-22, anyway. It's kind of overkill in their neighborhood.

Israel is not part of that coalition. The participating countries, in order of the money they contributed to the development costs, are the US, Great Britain, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark, and Norway. Other countries are welcome to buy after the initial commitments to the coalition partners are met.

256 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:43:39pm

re: #251 albusteve

build the damned F 22!...I really hate being second best...BUILD IT!

They've been deployed since 2003.

257 bulwrk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:43:48pm

re: #254 Nevergiveup

How many thousands of people will that put out of work?

258 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:44:13pm
259 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:44:23pm

Still looking for statistics but use your BS detectors folks. Phoenix is probably not even in the top 50 cities for kidnapping risk.

260 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:44:26pm
261 MJBrutus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:44:35pm

re: #257 bulwrk

How many thousands of people will that put out of work?

But they're shovel-ready!

262 pat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:45:26pm

India: Su-30 Flanker Fighter
[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

263 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:45:29pm

re: #231 pat

The F-22 may not be exported by law. Nevertheless, 3 countries have applied for an exemption that can only be given by both Houses, Australia, Israel, and Japan. Of these, Japan has sold tech to the Russians, and Israel to the Chinese. Both of these countries sold American tech that they promised by treaty not too. Japan is thought to be the most likely candidate, and the only one that could actually pay for the aircraft.

I thought the stuff that Israel sold to the Chinese had been approved by the US, even if the approval was rescinded later, like with the radar aircraft. That was approved, but by the time the work was done, conditions had changed, and the US didn't want it exported.

264 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:45:47pm

re: #258 buzzsawmonkey

Local 2010 of the Interstellar Meteors Union has banned all meteor strikes for the foreseeable future.

Their motto "Meteors are our Metier."

265 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:46:00pm

re: #249 pat

I saw a lot of people have reported the story but I'm just wondering where the statistics come from. It doesn't pass the sniff test.

266 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:46:07pm

re: #258 buzzsawmonkey

Local 2010 of the Interstellar Meteors Union has banned all meteor strikes for the foreseeable future.

That was meteor than your usual, low-protein, posts.

267 bulwrk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:46:19pm

re: #255 CyanSnowHawk

There is a problem with Israel wanting too use their own radar systems in the F-35 and the manufacturer is balking.

268 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:46:22pm
269 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:46:36pm

re: #256 OldLineTexan

They've been deployed since 2003.

I know there are a few of them around...saw them on TV do some amazing stuff...BO doesnt dig cool hardware tho

270 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:46:51pm

re: #239 Irenike

I'd love to see what John Bolton has to say about this.

And I'd also love to get into some discussion with Obama voters at my synagogue. Sadly, Comrade President is going to have to be more blatant in his anti-Semitism before it makes any impression on liberal Jews. Many that I have talked to already think he is going to do great things, and they can't believe everybody doesn't share their enthusiasm.

Great things all right.
Great things. Terrible things.
(Now what was that line from?)

271 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:47:00pm
272 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:47:29pm

re: #250 MandyManners

He thinks he'll succeed where King Canute failed.

Hey, don't bash Canute! He gets a bum rap from history. He was trying to prove exactly the opposite of what he's accused of.

(And in a similar vein, Hitchens points out in the current Atlantic Monthly that Samuel Johnson's quote "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" originally meant almost exactly the opposite of what it's understood to mean today. Johnson was referring to a particular political faction called the "Patriots", whom he believed to be seditious... that is, unpatriotic.)

273 abaleh  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:47:51pm

re: #255 CyanSnowHawk

Israel is not part of that coalition. The participating countries, in order of the money they contributed to the development costs, are the US, Great Britain, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark, and Norway. Other countries are welcome to buy after the initial commitments to the coalition partners are met.

Isreal is a "Security Cooperative Participant", and Israeli firm Elbit is codeveloper of the helmet mounted display unit.

274 Lee Coller  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:47:57pm

re: #197 newsjunkie_ky

Phoenix has second highest kidnapping rate in the world.
police received 366 kidnapping-for-ransom reports last year, and 359 in 2007. Police estimate twice that number go unreported.

I suspect the other commentators on this are right. Kidnapping for ransom is extremely rare in the US, I doubt there were that many in the US as a whole.

275 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:48:04pm

re: #255 CyanSnowHawk

Israel is not part of that coalition. The participating countries, in order of the money they contributed to the development costs, are the US, Great Britain, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark, and Norway. Other countries are welcome to buy after the initial commitments to the coalition partners are met.

I'm so relieved that we'll have cutting-edge Turkish technology in that plane.

276 pat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:48:05pm

re: #252 OldLineTexan

Maybe we should use the clarification from the article ... kidnappings for ransom.

Yes, these are discussed as such in The Economist, although many are never seen again. The article also pointed out that the Phoenix police are convinced this is half the number.
There are also a disturbing amount of young American girls that are taken prisoner in Mexico while visiting friends or family and sold as sex slaves or as gifts to drug lords.

278 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:48:13pm

re: #244 newsjunkie_ky

They must be polling a lot more dems and indys than republicans. And they will stick with him even when the ship is under the water.

You're right. Some people wouldn't believe it's a turd even though you're rubbing it into their faces. It's a national mental illness methinks. Whatever, it is mystifying.

279 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:48:22pm

re: #271 buzzsawmonkey

It's a tofu room today.

Ramen home another one?

280 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:48:26pm
281 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:48:58pm

These 10 countries are the locations for 90 percent of all kidnappings


Colombia
Italy
India
Mexico
Pakistan
Peru
Philippines
Spain
Brazil
Venezuela


Phoenix not on the list.

282 Kragar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:49:04pm

re: #258 buzzsawmonkey

Local 2010 of the Interstellar Meteors Union has banned all meteor strikes for the foreseeable future.

I can find a good rate on some under the table day meteors to do the job cheap

283 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:49:08pm
284 esch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:49:24pm

re: #182 DaddyG

Are we the test-ees?

Blue Scrotum Monkey approves.

285 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:49:28pm

re: #247 Occasional Reader

There are definitely bad uses that can be made with the information, I agree.


Don't blame the messenger for the message.

286 pat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:49:34pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

I was very surprised. Total news to me. The Economist did mention Columbia etc. I have since seen the Police Chief of Phoenix confirm the story on TV.

287 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:49:37pm

I'm not confident the F-35 is going to be such a hot plane. It is just designed to be to many things to too many people.

288 jamgarr  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:49:49pm

re: #258 buzzsawmonkey

Local 2010 of the Interstellar Meteors Union has banned all meteor strikes for the foreseeable future.


Informational orbiting is, however, expected to continue.

289 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:50:24pm

re: #281 Killgore Trout

These 10 countries are the locations for 90 percent of all kidnappings


Phoenix not on the list.

Er, Phoenix is not a "country".

290 pat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:50:30pm

BTW< i recently talked to a California relative that says middle class Sad Diegoans are terrified that their kids will be kidnapped.

291 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:50:45pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

Still looking for statistics but use your BS detectors folks. Phoenix is probably not even in the top 50 cities for kidnapping risk.

We forgot, you know everything.

292 Jim708  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:51:13pm

So, it's Canada and Israel against the rest of the world eh?

For once us Canucks are on the right side!

293 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:51:18pm

re: #289 Occasional Reader

Er, Phoenix is not a "country".

That said, I would find it suprising, to say the least, if Phoenix (or any American city) beats, say, Bogotá in kidnappings.

294 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:51:21pm

re: #269 albusteve

I know there are a few of them around...saw them on TV do some amazing stuff...BO doesnt dig cool hardware tho

He likes technology, just not military technology.

295 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:51:32pm

I wonder how many of these kidnappings are moms or dads taking the kids and running back to Mexico, or simply abandonment situations. I'm in Dallas and there is a lot that gets misreported - after all they are in the shadows, no?

296 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:51:58pm
297 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:52:20pm

re: #274 Lee Coller

I suspect the other commentators on this are right. Kidnapping for ransom is extremely rare in the US, I doubt there were that many in the US as a whole.

Really?

Phoenix Ranked #2 in the world

Phoenix has become the second-worst city in the world for kidnappings, right behind Mexico City, with brutal dismemberments for those abductees who do not get ransomed quickly enough:

298 Irenike  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:52:34pm

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

If Iran nuked Tel Aviv and the Israelis retaliated by nuking Tehran, the UN and most of the rest of the world would criticize Israel's "disproportionate response".
Same if Israel attacked purely military targets in Iran and no cities.

Reminds me of a joke. Three foreigners got stranded in the desert: An American, a Brit and an Israeli. A band of hostile nomads found them and decided they'd boil them alive and eat them. The tribal leader was willing to grant one wish to each captive before he tortured and killed them. The American pulled off his wedding ring and said: "Please send this back to my wife and tell her I love her." The tribal leader took the ring and promised to send it.

The Brit said: "Let me sing 'God Save the Queen.'" The tribal leader allowed him to sing.

Then the Israeli said to the tribal leader: "I want you to give me a good, hard kick in the ass."

The tribal leader gleefully kicked the Israeli in the ass, at which point the Israeli whipped out a semi-automatic gun, and shot the tribal leader and all the nomads, killing them cold.

The Brit and the American looked at him in disbelief. "Why didn't you do that right away?" they asked.

The Israeli replied: "I didn't want to be accused of displaying disproportionate aggression."

299 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:52:53pm

re: #277 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks, I've never heard of "Project America" before. I have no idea who they are.

300 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:53:08pm

re: #290 pat

BTW< i recently talked to a California relative that says middle class Sad Diegoans are terrified that their kids will be kidnapped.

there is no denying the threat...murder will be routine before the feds care if they ever do...Americans are ripped off all the time in Mexico, stealing cars and money, home invasions, stealing airplanes right off the runway...

301 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:54:16pm

re: #296 buzzsawmonkey

Blame the medium for the message. Or his crystal ball.

Carol Burnett [with hokey Gypsy accent and enormous booze-um]: "I am a medium."

Harvey Korman: "You look more like an extra large."

302 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:54:17pm

re: #294 Soona'

He likes technology, just not military technology.

iPOD ground attack, Blackberry air to air

303 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:55:54pm

re: #289 Occasional Reader

The statistics are complete bullshit. The more I think about it the more it stinks.

304 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:55:54pm

re: #221 Charles

Yesterday, you insulted parrots; today, meth users. Have you no decency?//

305 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:55:55pm

re: #281 Killgore Trout

These 10 countries are the locations for 90 percent of all kidnappings


Phoenix not on the list.


Cities, cities, cities.

306 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:55:58pm

re: #298 Irenike

Or this joke:

What happens when a fly falls into a coffee cup?

The Italian - throws the cup and walks away in a fit of rage.

The Frenchman - takes out the fly, and drinks the coffee.

The Chinese - eats the fly and throws away the coffee.

The Russian - drinks the coffee with the fly, since it was extra with no charge.

The Israeli - sells the coffee to the Frenchman, the fly to the Chinese, Buys himself a new cup of coffee and uses the extra money to invent a Device that prevents flies from falling into coffee.

The Palestinian - blames the Israeli for the fly falling in his coffee, Protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives And then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, The Chinese, and the Russian are all trying to explain to the Israeli that He should give away his cup of coffee to the Palestinian.

307 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:56:23pm
308 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:56:39pm

re: #300 albusteve

there is no denying the threat...murder will be routine before the feds care if they ever do...Americans are ripped off all the time in Mexico, stealing cars and money, home invasions, stealing airplanes right off the runway...

I've spent time in Mexico twice in last ten years, once a shooting in a disco, the second a man shot in the head in a restaurant I was in.

Two for two, I think it may be kind of bad down there.

309 Kragar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:57:22pm

re: #300 albusteve

there is no denying the threat...murder will be routine before the feds care if they ever do...Americans are ripped off all the time in Mexico, stealing cars and money, home invasions, stealing airplanes right off the runway...

If anyone in San Diego recommends you visit Mexico, either they're a tourist who doesn't know any better or they're setting you up. I've been down here 7 years and there is nothing on Earth that could induce me to go there willingly

310 bulwrk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:57:55pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

The F-111 kind of turned people sour on the idea of a JSF but this bird looks more than capable,and just to make sure Lockheed dusted off the old lightning moniker.

311 DisturbedEma  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:58:07pm

re: #224 MJBrutus

Far too many were paying attention during the election. For far too many, their ignorance is entirely willful. I repeatedly remarked on the way I informed my own mother about this man's friends and what it forebode for his non-support of Israel. But she is a liberal. Specifically, she is a habitual D voter. When I was a kid, D meant people like Ed Koch in NY where I grew up. Or Joe Lieberman or any of several other respectable people. Sure, their economics were spread the welfare clap trap, but nothing as bad as today's looters. However, they were all loyal to this country, and wanted us and our allies to succeed (and knew who our friends were).

Time went on, and she just went along with the program, never stopping to look back at how far she'd been led down the primrose path to hell. So when Bambi stands up at AIPAC and makes promises about how much he intends to support and stand by Israel she was satisfied. Trust and don't verify, because he seems like such a nice, young, liberal man.


And because you risked being called a racist, at the very least, if you questioned ANYTHING. . .

312 DisturbedEma  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:58:25pm

re: #292 Jim708

So, it's Canada and Israel against the rest of the world eh?

For once us Canucks are on the right side!

:)

313 MJ  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:58:27pm

Here's the question and answer from Friday's State Dept briefing. There were no questions asked about in today's briefing:

QUESTION: Anything more on the – any achievements by our advance team to the Durban racism conference? There’s some reporting that they made some headway in watering and – you know, preventing some kind of language on slavery reparations and that they were able to stop, you know, alteration of language on anti-Semitism.
MR. DUGUID: I believe the meetings have ended now in Geneva. Part of our delegation is – of course, is based in Geneva and part of the delegation is on its way back to the U.S. So I haven’t had a full briefing on their views of what happened. We went into this meeting – excuse me – we went into this meeting with grave concerns about the document that was being produced. And we engaged with other countries in an effort to have the conference produce a document that actually did address racism around the world in a way that could achieve some results.
Our intervention was welcomed by many countries. We had extensive meetings with all of the other representatives there to present our viewpoints on this document and on this process. I can’t predict any success for you at this point, first not having had a read-out from the group. But as I said, there were many things we disagreed with in the document. The document began as a very lengthy piece of work and got longer during the conference itself. The intention was to engage and to try and make something that was flawed better. We did not predict success, and I can’t do that for you now. But we are on – you know, on the record with our international partners as to where we stand on these issues.
QUESTION: So bottom – you haven’t walked away from the process yet.
MR. DUGUID: Well, those decisions will be made once we have a full review and when the team returns and they’ve had a chance to sort of write up, you know, their thoughts and present them to the Secretary. The – it will be a verbal briefing and they will give their advice on where they think the process is going, and whether or not we can affect what is going to happen in the full session. As you know, we’ve had grave doubts about the effectiveness of these conferences in the past.

Both Italy and the UK have said they will probably boycott:

Britain and Italy could join Canada and Israel in refusing to attend the Durban II Review Conference in April unless they receive cast-iron guarantees that it will not turn into an anti-Semitic, anti-Israel arena of hate. Britain's Foreign Office Minister Lord Malloch-Brown said on Tuesday: "I was at the first conference. I have never seen such a disgraceful event in quite a long international life...We are not going to stand idly by and allow this racist stuff to get through and be seen as acceptable. We are not going to have it." On Monday, Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said: "We will not send an Italian delegation [if it is the same as Durban 2001], but we will try to harmonize our position with other countries who are the friends of Jews."

314 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:59:23pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If anyone in San Diego recommends you visit Mexico, either they're a tourist who doesn't know any better or they're setting you up. I've been down here 7 years and there is nothing on Earth that could induce me to go there willingly

I've lived in San Diego for 34 years, and have never once stepped foot in Mexico and have zero remorse about it. There was never anything down there worth going for, even before it turned into Dodge City.

315 pat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:59:25pm
Phoenix has become the kidnapping capital of the United States, because of illegal immigration and human smuggling, according to the head of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association.

In the past year, there were 359 kidnappings in Phoenix, and not one was legitimate involving a truly innocent victim, said Mark Spencer, head of the union which represents more than 2,500 Phoenix police officers. He said all the kidnappings were connected to illegal immigration and the numbers may represent just the tip of the iceberg.

[Link: ktar.com...]

316 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 2:59:52pm

re: #310 bulwrk

The F-111 kind of turned people sour on the idea of a JSF but this bird looks more than capable,and just to make sure Lockheed dusted off the old lightning moniker.

We'll see. We'll see.

317 Irenike  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:00:38pm

re: #306 Kosh's Shadow

That's a good one! Thanks for sharing.

318 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:00:46pm

re: #234 Gus 802

OK already. Three comments on that "Impeach Obama" post.

Sarc or even semi sarc tags are your friend.
Prevents unwanted and unwarranted *whacks*.

;-)

319 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:00:55pm

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If anyone in San Diego recommends you visit Mexico, either they're a tourist who doesn't know any better or they're setting you up. I've been down here 7 years and there is nothing on Earth that could induce me to go there willingly

a coupla times a year I'd go down to Palomas, population like 5-10k, dusty little town to drink and flirt...it is literally nowhere...last year they found 12 corpses laying in the streets all at once...I've not been back to quiet, dusty Palomas since

320 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:00:56pm
321 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:00:58pm

re: #305 newsjunkie_ky

Hey, you find me a list of worldwide kidnapping danger by city. It ain't that easy. But since America is not in the top 10 countries I seriously doubt we have the #2 city. C'mon, people. Use your brains! Not everything some think tank puts on their webpage is true. Just because Glenn Beck and the MSM repeat it doesn't make it any truer.

322 Sheepdogess  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:01:00pm

re: #17 anotherindyfilmguy

How long until the O' cuts all military support and bans helping Israel?

Conniving? Conniving infers some degree of intelligence...

Don't be surprised if the US military is in Gaza within a year.

Part three of Ayers evil plan.

323 Caboose  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:01:21pm

"No Israel; For Oil!" (modifying the m00nbats mantra). 0bama and the traitors in power may throw Israel under the bus, but this American goyim never will. I have been a friend to Israel and that I will remain!

Ironically, iTunes just served up "Time Is Running Out" from the first Steve Winwood eponymous solo release.

324 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:01:38pm

Andy Roddick is my new hero..He pulled out of the Dubai tennis match as a political statement.. what a stud..
I'm not sure what happened to all the other players.. I think they are self-centered cowards...Wish they would prove me wrong..

325 Town Of Rock Ridge  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:01:42pm

Can't wait for the slobberfest that the MSM will call "His First 100 Days...a look back"

What a wasteland. It'll look like Mad Max 3 minus Master & Blaster.

326 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:02:25pm

re: #307 taxfreekiller

The drug war between the drug cartels is in many large American cities now, and the single most used method of the war is kidnapping.

If you do not pay for the "coyote" these days, it being the drug cartels now control the illegal crossing routes, the drug cartel "takes a hostage" some times known as "kidnapping" and if you do not pay the coyote,
they kill the person, then they take some one else, same demand.

TFK ...to the person who is down dinging you for your comments on this ...

YOU HAVE NO FRIGGIN CLUE about the realities of mexicans crossing the border ...I work with many mexicans who come here through the H2A program but they all network ...they tell me all the stories of "coyotes" and you are exactly right ...a couple of years ago being a coyotes was a private enterprise ...today it is almost totally operated by the narcotic gangs ...they do kill people and they do kidnap people ...especially if they believe that the family on the other side of the border in America has any money they can get from them ...

327 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:02:39pm

Why does Sarah Silverman talk like an illiterate mental defective?

I mean, other than the fact that she is one.

328 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:02:43pm

re: #313 MJ

Forbes calls the State Department comments that they

engaged with other countries in an effort to have the conference produce a document that actually did address racism around the world in a way that could achieve some results.

According to Forbes,

The U.S. delegates had made no objection to a new proposal to nail Israel in an anti-racism manifesto that makes no other country-specific claims.
329 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:02:44pm

re: #277 newsjunkie_ky

here and a few other places.
go ahead and doubt it.
In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now.

It's not just Phoenix. A coworker of mine lives in Chula Vista, a suburb community of San Diego very close the border, and one of his neighbors was kidnapped in a home invasion about a block away from him. This was some time last year.
There are a significant number of Mexican nationals that move their families North of the border for the safety it provides. As a result, the gangs are targeting inside the US.

330 transient  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:02:46pm
Anyone who didn’t see this coming was not paying attention...


This sort of thing is the single most important reason I voted the way I did. I will take no pleasure in the vindication of my assessment.

331 Bobblehead  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:03:01pm

re: #301 Occasional Reader

Carol Burnett [with hokey Gypsy accent and enormous booze-um]: "I am a medium."

Harvey Korman: "You look more like an extra large."

How I miss that show.

332 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:03:43pm

re: #89 DaddyG

This is what really disturbs me. I come up with a real conspiracy nut job theory about what is going on and within weeks the Odministration trots out something even more egregious. My paranoia just can't compete with their brazen politics.

That has been my experience with the entire Obama experience, beginning with his declaration of candidacy, and continuing through the present. Every new development breaks new ground for awful. I wasn't very pleased about the seemingly likely prospect of eight years of President Hillary, but I never believed that anything this terrifyingly horrible could happen to my country.

333 mirage  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:04:11pm

re: #301 Occasional Reader

Carol Burnett [with hokey Gypsy accent and enormous booze-um]: "I am a medium."

Harvey Korman: "You look more like an extra large."

Wasn't Harvey Korman the one dressed up as the psychic in this skit, As the Stomach Turns? Mother Marcus I think was the character's name. Funny as hell.

334 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:05:29pm

re: #333 mirage

Wasn't Harvey Korman the one dressed up as the psychic in this skit, As the Stomach Turns? Mother Marcus I think was the character's name. Funny as hell.

Hm. Might be right.

335 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:05:52pm

I guess nobody should really be surprised, Obama is being who he is.
"...I will stand with the Muslims." Sitting in a pew for 20 years at least twice a month listeneing to a bigoted Reverend spew anti Ameicanism, racism & some serious anti Semicism. Toss in being pals with Farakhan & none of this is surprising.

336 Viking6  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:06:07pm

Does anyone that has a shred of intelligence believe that Israel will not hesitate to turn the middle east into a smoking hole if they are under attack and we have abandoned them. The One is on the edge of insanity with this kind of thinking.

337 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:06:14pm

re: #281 Killgore Trout

These 10 countries are the locations for 90 percent of all kidnappings

Phoenix not on the list.

The article you posted was created by a firm that provides kidnapping insurance and seems to contain dated information:

"The authors and publishers assume no liability nor do they encourage you to do, see, visit or try any of the activities or actions discussed in this site. This site is intended for background information only. ©1998 Fielding Worldwide, Inc. All rights reserved. This material is not to be reproduced or transmitted without the written permission of Fielding Worldwide, Inc."

338 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:06:49pm

re: #329 CyanSnowHawk

It's not just Phoenix. A coworker of mine lives in Chula Vista, a suburb community of San Diego very close the border, and one of his neighbors was kidnapped in a home invasion about a block away from him. This was some time last year.
There are a significant number of Mexican nationals that move their families North of the border for the safety it provides. As a result, the gangs are targeting inside the US.

it won't happen to Killgore...

339 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:07:51pm

re: #314 ArchangelMichael

I've lived in San Diego for 34 years, and have never once stepped foot in Mexico and have zero remorse about it. There was never anything down there worth going for, even before it turned into Dodge City.

I went down there once in the 80s and saw Mutants of GWAR at Iguana's. Only time there. I got back across the border after playing some live action Frogger with the taxis and said that was enough. Never been back.

340 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:07:54pm

Hasta luego.

341 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:09:06pm
342 bulwrk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:10:29pm

re: #314 ArchangelMichael

Really good fishing in those parts but that's about it.

343 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:10:51pm

re: #308 The Shadow Do

I've spent time in Mexico twice in last ten years, once a shooting in a disco, the second a man shot in the head in a restaurant I was in.

Two for two, I think it may be kind of bad down there.

Remind me never to travel with you. :p

344 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:11:54pm

re: #327 Alouette

Why does Sarah Silverman talk like an illiterate mental defective?

I mean, other than the fact that she is one.

Please--Jewish Lizards. Help me out here. Why do so many liberal Jewish types -- I know of a few--are not on board with standing behind Israel? To me, that is like not condemning Hitler in the 1930's.

345 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:12:01pm

re: #315 pat

[Link: ktar.com...]

Apparently what happens is the Mexican drug mules steal goods from each other. The mules are told that under no circumstances are they to lose their cargo, or else.
When they are stolen from, they simply do a kidnapping for ransom to recoup the value of the lost merchandise.
Quite often if the ransom is not paid they will amputate a limb of their victim.
But hey as McCain pointed out .,"we are all God's children."

346 MJ  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:12:59pm

re: #328 Kosh's Shadow

Forbes calls the State Department comments that they

We're gonna have to wait till the report is issued to find out for sure but my money is on Anne Bayefsky's sources.
Sec. of State Clinton will in Israel fairly soon too so the issue isn't settled yet since no one in Israel will keep quiet about US participation in Durban II.
I don't see how even a Jew-hating administration such as Obama's could remain if Canada, the UK and Italy all withdrawal though it's always possible.

347 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:13:07pm

re: #345 opnion

Apparently what happens is the Mexican drug mules steal goods from each other. The mules are told that under no circumstances are they to lose their cargo, or else.
When they are stolen from, they simply do a kidnapping for ransom to recoup the value of the lost merchandise.
Quite often if the ransom is not paid they will amputate a limb of their victim.
But hey as McCain pointed out .,"we are all God's children."

wonder what a US senator is worth?...

348 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:13:28pm

re: #342 bulwrk

Really good fishing in those parts but that's about it.

Some of the best scuba diving in the world is in Cozumel.

349 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:13:55pm

re: #308 The Shadow Do

I've spent time in Mexico twice in last ten years, once a shooting in a disco, the second a man shot in the head in a restaurant I was in.

Two for two, I think it may be kind of bad down there.

Gee, I thought it was illegal to take guns down there.

/

350 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:14:22pm
351 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:14:30pm
352 Biff  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:14:33pm

Why did Hillary take this job? It does not make political sense, except from Obama's point of view.

353 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:14:35pm

re: #343 Soona'

Remind me never to travel with you. :p

LOL! How about an all expense paid trip to Juarez? Bring yer shootin irons!

354 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:14:53pm

Here is what the US said at the Durban II racism planning conference:

"I hate to be the cause of unhappiness in the room... I have to suggest [amendments] and I offer my sincere apologies."

Translation: We're bending over, come on and kick us in the ass. This is what you say after you are defeated.
0bama is surrendering.

Read more here.

355 The Optimist  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:14:54pm

Mark my word, if the US does not withdraw from this frickin conference, I will protest in front of Obama's house every day screaming racist for the duration of the conference. I am three blocks from the White House with my commuting costs covered by the Federal Government.

People looked at the color of Obama and assumed he would stop racism and support minority rights. In reality, Obama is full of vengence and could be the most racist president since the Civil War.

356 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:15:11pm

re: #338 albusteve

it won't happen to Killgore...

No, Killgore is just on about the sloppy reporting. He has a point that the #1 city for kidnapping in the US is likely not the #2 in the world if the US doesn't even break the top #10 for kidnappings by country.
Unless the majority of kidnappings happen outside of cities that is.
Twain was right about statistics.

357 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:15:38pm

re: #329 CyanSnowHawk

It's not just Phoenix. A coworker of mine lives in Chula Vista, a suburb community of San Diego very close the border, and one of his neighbors was kidnapped in a home invasion about a block away from him. This was some time last year.
There are a significant number of Mexican nationals that move their families North of the border for the safety it provides. As a result, the gangs are targeting inside the US.

One of the officers in my unit is a detective with the Colorado Springs PD gang unit. Yesterday, he told us that their intelligence people warned them that one of the Mexican drug cartels was supposedly sending a hit team to start assassinating cops in Denver.

358 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:15:41pm

re: #347 albusteve

wonder what a US senator is worth?...

Scary thought. I am no McCain fan, but I want him to be defeated for reelection & live out his years in peace.

359 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:15:46pm

re: #325 Town Of Rock Ridge

Can't wait for the slobberfest that the MSM will call "His First 100 Days...a look back"

What a wasteland. It'll look like Mad Max 3 minus Master & Blaster.

Welcome! One post - what took you so long (ten months)?

360 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:15:46pm

re: #339 CyanSnowHawk

I went down there once in the 80s and saw Mutants of GWAR at Iguana's. Only time there. I got back across the border after playing some live action Frogger with the taxis and said that was enough. Never been back.

When I was in high school I had a few friends who got beat up, robbed, and in situations they had to bribe their way out of just trying to get to/from Ave Revolucion and the border. I always filed that under "I have enough problems with idiots up here, no thanks."

361 USBeast  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:16:36pm

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Depends on the Senator, and the prevailing price per pound.

You still have to ask: Are they honest? Do they stay bought?

362 bulwrk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:16:47pm

re: #355 venezuela lover

I will protest in front of Obama's house every day screaming racist for the duration of the conference.


That's not his house.

363 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:16:52pm

re: #349 Ward Cleaver

Gee, I thought it was illegal to take guns down there.

/

It is. Amazing how well those gun control laws waork, isn't it?

364 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:17:35pm

re: #358 opnion

Scary thought. I am no McCain fan, but I want him to be defeated for reelection & live out his years in peace.

I jest of course...so how much do you think he weighs?

365 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:17:59pm

Good evening, Lizards.

The president is turning out to be even worse for America than I feared.

366 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:19:12pm

re: #365 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.


The president is turning out to be even worse for America than I feared.


Good Evening Goddess.Hope today finds you well

367 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:19:41pm

re: #364 albusteve

I jest of course...so how much do you think he weighs?

Yeah , I know that. I was more or less thinking out loud. I really do not like McCain. I'd say that he goes , what 175 lbs?

368 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:19:46pm

re: #362 bulwrk

I will protest in front of Obama's house every day screaming racist for the duration of the conference.


That's not his house.

His presidency isn't over yet.

369 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:19:54pm

re: #281 Killgore Trout

These 10 countries are the locations for 90 percent of all kidnappings


Phoenix not on the list.

I think the point is that Phoenix, AZ, has gone from practically non-existent in kidnapping terms to fairly dangerous.

At least, if you're Mexican, or of Mexican descent. The drug cartels are not joking.

370 Kragar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:20:13pm

re: #365 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

The president is turning out to be even worse for America than I feared.

Hell, Bill Ayers thinks he's doing a bad job even

371 bulwrk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:20:25pm

re: #368 Soona'

But its still the peoples house.

372 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:20:37pm

re: #359 Ward Cleaver

Welcome! One post - what took you so long (ten months)?

The Town of Rock Ridge wasn't sure if they were posting as the real Rock Ridge or the fake Rock Ridge, and the lizards thought they were the real Rock Ridge, but didn't know they were the fake Rock Ridge, but that they just looked like the real Rock Ridge.

373 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:20:39pm

Gotta another internet date. Wish me luck.

374 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:20:56pm

re: #365 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

The president is turning out to be even worse for America than I feared.

Goddess, he's just getting started. The war on the Middle Class is going to be brutal.

375 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:21:09pm

OT -

I just read that Obama is going to name former WA governor Gary Locke as Commerce Secy. Holy shit, that's guy's an idiot!

376 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:21:13pm

re: #369 Dianna

I think the point is that Phoenix, AZ, has gone from practically non-existent in kidnapping terms to fairly dangerous.

At least, if you're Mexican, or of Mexican descent. The drug cartels are not joking.

From some of the video I've seen, they don't seem to be all that careful about their aim, either.

377 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:21:36pm

re: #372 CyanSnowHawk

The Town of Rock Ridge wasn't sure if they were posting as the real Rock Ridge or the fake Rock Ridge, and the lizards thought they were the real Rock Ridge, but didn't know they were the fake Rock Ridge, but that they just looked like the real Rock Ridge.

Or maybe it took him a long time to get the dimes to get through the Wm Lepetomaine Toll Road.

378 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:21:38pm

re: #372 CyanSnowHawk

The Town of Rock Ridge wasn't sure if they were posting as the real Rock Ridge or the fake Rock Ridge, and the lizards thought they were the real Rock Ridge, but didn't know they were the fake Rock Ridge, but that they just looked like the real Rock Ridge.

The new sheriff is a...!

379 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:21:46pm

Near!

380 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:21:51pm
381 USBeast  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:21:55pm

re: #373 Afrocity

Gotta another internet date. Wish me luck.

Done. I wish your date luck too. ;)

382 Kragar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:21:55pm

re: #375 Ward Cleaver

OT -

I just read that Obama is going to name former WA governor Gary Locke as Commerce Secy. Holy shit, that's guy's an idiot!

Why else would he accept the nomination?

383 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:22:02pm

re: #356 CyanSnowHawk

No, Killgore is just on about the sloppy reporting. He has a point that the #1 city for kidnapping in the US is likely not the #2 in the world if the US doesn't even break the top #10 for kidnappings by country.
Unless the majority of kidnappings happen outside of cities that is.
Twain was right about statistics.

I know...he's a good guy doing some footwork here and of course everybody benefits from the effort

384 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:22:40pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why else would he accept the nomination?

jcm and some others here can tell us more about Locke.

385 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:22:48pm

re: #375 Ward Cleaver

OT -

I just read that Obama is going to name former WA governor Gary Locke as Commerce Secy. Holy shit, that's guy's an idiot!

I'm not sure which is worse, the idiot Democrats (Pelosi and Reid, for example), or the really smart ones (Rahm Emanuel).

386 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:22:50pm

re: #331 Bobblehead

How I miss that show.

It was even funnier when Korman played the gypsy.

387 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:22:54pm

re: #373 Afrocity

Gotta another internet date. Wish me luck.

I'll wish you the good kind.

388 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:22:57pm

I see Hot Air fell for the story...
Mexican drug cartels make Phoenix #2 in world for kidnappings

I like Ed but I think he might be a little bit gullible.

389 MJ  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:23:03pm

re: #352 Biff

Why did Hillary take this job? It does not make political sense, except from Obama's point of view.

Hillary was already outmaneuvered. The question at this point will be whether she will be able to reassert any control over foreign policy. Jones is the key figure and Jones is no fan of Israel despite what one poster on this site believes. Powers has already filled a vacuum created by Hillary's being unfamiliar with the bureaucracy at State. Biden is the public face of foreign policy at this stage which would be funny if it weren't so dangerous.
The CIA is now filled by Israel bashers.
There is absolutely no one in this administration who is a hawk on Israel.

390 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:23:19pm

re: #344 calcajun

Please--Jewish Lizards. Help me out here. Why do so many liberal Jewish types -- I know of a few--are not on board with standing behind Israel? To me, that is like not condemning Hitler in the 1930's.

Too many are liberal politically and ambivalent when it comes to Israel. You alone can make a difference. Have been working on my Dem boss for years on this issue and he FINALLY ordered some books for his Kindle to read. I had him start with Bernard Lewis, then we talked a bit about what is going on in Europe with the acceptance of neo-Nazi nationalist types into the anti-jihad political tents. He visibly recoiled at that and agreed that their 'support' of Israel now was nothing but political expediency.

391 Shug  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:23:33pm

re: #373 Afrocity

Gotta another internet date. Wish me luck.

Do you chat or use a webcam?

how do I say this: How do you work the goodnight kiss ?

392 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:23:39pm

re: #372 CyanSnowHawk

The Town of Rock Ridge wasn't sure if they were posting as the real Rock Ridge or the fake Rock Ridge, and the lizards thought they were the real Rock Ridge, but didn't know they were the fake Rock Ridge, but that they just looked like the real Rock Ridge.

"Right down to the Orange Roof on Howard Johnson's outhouse!"

393 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:23:57pm
394 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:24:07pm

re: #370 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hell, Bill Ayers thinks he's doing a bad job even


That insipid little punk! "Go home & kill your parents man. Thats where it's at."

395 Kragar  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:24:09pm

re: #392 ArchangelMichael

"Right down to the Orange Roof on Howard Johnson's outhouse!"

Excuse me while I whip this out.

396 I heart the USA  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:25:04pm

What is all this talk about violence related to drug and human trafficking-related crime on our southern border? That isn't possible! Our politicians and liberal MSM have been assuring us that the only people crossing our border illegally are poor, honest peasants seeking a better life for their families. And even if they have no skills whatsoever with which to support said family, they are a boon to our economy, not a drag. Are you all saying that the polls and MSM have been lying?
///

397 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:25:39pm

re: #391 Shug

Do you chat or use a webcam?

how do I say this: How do you work the goodnight kiss ?

It is e-harmony. This guy has about 62% compatibility with me. They say we are extroverts.

398 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:26:24pm

re: #395 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Excuse me while I whip this out.

We need a sheriff to send a candygram to Ahmadinejad.
Remember those red candies, the atomic fire ball? It should contain some of those.

399 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:26:43pm

re: #357 lobo91

One of the officers in my unit is a detective with the Colorado Springs PD gang unit. Yesterday, he told us that their intelligence people warned them that one of the Mexican drug cartels was supposedly sending a hit team to start assassinating cops in Denver.

They are going to wish they had not done that, if it turns out to be true.

400 Shug  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:26:44pm

re: #397 Afrocity

It is e-harmony. This guy has about 62% compatibility with me. They say we are extroverts.

Oh. I'm stupid.

I didn't know you got to meet. I thought the date was on-line.

is 62% a pretty good match percentage?

401 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:26:46pm

re: #371 bulwrk

But its still the peoples house.

By the time he ends his term, he, Bawney Fwank, Chris Dodd, and Soros will pull the deal and the zero will get to keep the WH. If not the MFMSM headlines will read: "Nation Kicks Black Man Out Onto The Street".

402 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:27:25pm

re: #381 USBeast

Done. I wish your date luck too. ;)

hahaahha - don't get her started on Obama!

403 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:27:51pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I don't think Obama is going to turn on Israel but he is going to try to sit on both sides of the fence.

Stradling the fence is the most uncomfortable place to be.

404 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:28:30pm

re: #373 Afrocity

Gotta another internet date. Wish me luck.

Good luck!

Make sure three different people know where you're going and who with.

/paranoia.

405 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:29:10pm

re: #401 Soona'

By the time he ends his term, he, Bawney Fwank, Chris Dodd, and Soros will pull the deal and the zero will get to keep the WH. If not the MFMSM headlines will read: "Nation Kicks Black Man Out Onto The Street".

You owe me a cough drop.

/Warning: Spit-takes with solid objects can be dangerous.

406 USBeast  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:29:11pm

re: #397 Afrocity

It is e-harmony. This guy has about 62% compatibility with me. They say we are extroverts.

Let us know how it works out. I'm in the middle of a divorce and enjoying solitude for the time being, but that may change.

407 I heart the USA  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:29:28pm

re: #396 I heart the USA

Oops! polls = pols

408 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:29:31pm

re: #321 Killgore Trout

Hey, you find me a list of worldwide kidnapping danger by city. It ain't that easy. But since America is not in the top 10 countries I seriously doubt we have the #2 city. C'mon, people. Use your brains! Not everything some think tank puts on their webpage is true. Just because Glenn Beck and the MSM repeat it doesn't make it any truer.

re: #337 midwestgak

The article you posted was created by a firm that provides kidnapping insurance and seems to contain dated information:

"The authors and publishers assume no liability nor do they encourage you to do, see, visit or try any of the activities or actions discussed in this site. This site is intended for background information only. ©1998 Fielding Worldwide, Inc. All rights reserved. This material is not to be reproduced or transmitted without the written permission of Fielding Worldwide, Inc."

Take your own advice.

409 Dianna  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:29:35pm

Well, I'm out.

Take care!

410 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:30:05pm

re: #397 Afrocity

It is e-harmony. This guy has about 62% compatibility with me. They say we are extroverts.

My daughter carefully screened and ended up with a perfect choice.

411 acwgusa  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:30:23pm

Charles, you mentioned a while back you went through a third party domain name registrar who maintained your privacy through whois. Who were they again?

412 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:30:34pm

re: #401 Soona'

By the time he ends his term, he, Bawney Fwank, Chris Dodd, and Soros will pull the deal and the zero will get to keep the WH. If not the MFMSM headlines will read: "Nation Kicks Black Man Out Onto The Street".

Why would they not say that ...they already said during the campaign that if you DID NOT vote for Obama you were just trying to keep a black man out of the White House ... never mind that he was unqualified ...he was black! you better vote for him or as Holder says ...COWARD ...F*ck them ...all of them ...

413 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:31:13pm

re: #373 Afrocity

Gotta another internet date. Wish me luck.

I was gonna ask what a virtual date is like but then I thought about it and its been so long, I need to remember what ANY date is like.

414 Biff  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:31:26pm

re: #389 MJ

How was Hillary maneuvered out of the Senate? Just because they told her she couldn't be majority leader? She had a stage from which she could be critical of O if he was faltering. From the Senate she was the logical airif Obama became unelectable in three years. She would have to quit State to run for President, and then she would still be painted with O's foreign policy. There was something very strange behind the scene in Hillary's appointment and acceptance of the State position. Maybe it was just a good excuse to get away from Bill.

415 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:31:26pm

re: #406 USBeast

Let us know how it works out. I'm in the middle of a divorce and enjoying solitude for the time being, but that may change.

I have three friends who have married or who are engaged to people they've met through online dating services. Unfortunately (but understandably) eHamrony doesn't accept a client whose status is "separated."

416 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:31:48pm

re: #401 Soona'

By the time he ends his term, he, Bawney Fwank, Chris Dodd, and Soros will pull the deal and the zero will get to keep the WH. If not the MFMSM headlines will read: "Nation Kicks Black Man Out Onto The Street".

How about, "Obama removed from Public Housing that he & his family have occupied for four years, by racist voters!"

417 calcajun  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:32:53pm

re: #398 Kosh's Shadow

We need a sheriff to send a candygram to Ahmadinejad.
Remember those red candies, the atomic fire ball? It should contain some of those.

If only we had Bart for our Sheriff.

418 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:33:30pm

re: #411 acwgusa

I think even the big ones do this now. Verisign does it for mine.

419 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:33:44pm

re: #397 Afrocity

It is e-harmony. This guy has about 62% compatibility with me. They say we are extroverts.

Be careful. google him. I tried that once and the guy was a registered sex offender. Reported him and eharmony said they don't do background checks but refunded my money and will never do that again.
Just be careful.
I'm outta here.

420 USBeast  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:34:01pm

re: #415 goddessoftheclassroom

I have three friends who have married or who are engaged to people they've met through online dating services. Unfortunately (but understandably) eHamrony doesn't accept a client whose status is "separated."

I'm in no hurry. "Solitude: Heaven or Hell depending on the company." Paul Greenberg.

421 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:34:09pm

Sold Out in Less that 40 Days

All the unkind things I had to say about Obama in October and November are coming true.

Start with the obvious: John Sidney McCain would go back to being a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton before he ever did something this stupid.

On April 20th, Hitler's birthday, Durban II will kick off. The process was poisoned before Obama blessed it and it will get no better. Spraying air freshener into a sewer always has negligible results.

But if I am angry at Obama, I forgive him to the extent I never expected more of him. By contrast, the reports of a members of name national Jewish organizations attending the planning sessions with the US delegation and remaining silent nearly saw me break my monitor with rage. So starry eyed with their beloved Barack, they forgot they are supposed to defend the Jewish people and you can't do that when Iranian and Palestinians deny the Holocaust and accuse Israel of being an apartheid state.

I sent off a blistering letter to a group reported to have been there demanding an explanation. But the damage is done, antisemites all over saw a Jewish group stand aside and do nothing while Israel was vilified, this will only encourage the least well meaning of our enemies. Obama is pumping lethal doses of liberal stupification into liberal Jewish bloodstreams primed to receive their dose. It fits in with a National Security cabinet chock full of people who don't like Israel.

Regardless of whether you like Israel or not, our nation has labored too hard and too long in the fight against bigotry to just sit there and do nothing when the world's oldest hatred is broadcast by an organization that is supposed to advance human reconciliation and peace.

422 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:35:17pm

re: #415 goddessoftheclassroom

I have three friends who have married or who are engaged to people they've met through online dating services. Unfortunately (but understandably) eHamrony doesn't accept a client whose status is "separated."

my son met his wife on-line. They dont discuss politics.

423 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:35:30pm

re: #319 albusteve

a coupla times a year I'd go down to Palomas, population like 5-10k, dusty little town to drink and flirt...it is literally nowhere...last year they found 12 corpses laying in the streets all at once...I've not been back to quiet, dusty Palomas since

LA Times last Thursday:

But less than three miles south, in the once-quaint Mexican town of Palomas, a war is being waged. Over the last year, a drug feud that has killed more than 1,350 people in sprawling Ciudad Juarez has spread to tiny Palomas, 70 miles west, where more than 40 people have been gunned down, a dozen within a baseball toss of the border. More -- no one knows how many -- have been kidnapped, and the Palomas police chief fled across the border last year and has asked for political asylum.

...

But another, newer brand of cross-border activity has fed the town's paranoia. Several residents of Palomas have bought property in Columbus recently, paying cash.

Skinner, the B&B owner who's also the town's lone real estate agent, had her best sales year in 2008, even with the market nationwide in a nose-dive. New Cadillac Escalades, and cars with thousand-dollar chrome rims, have appeared suddenly, in a town without a single traffic light.

Columbus residents think they know what those trends mean: The men who traffic drugs in Mexico are moving their families to Columbus for sanctuary. And where the drug lords go, residents assume, violence is sure to follow.

...

424 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:35:48pm
425 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:36:01pm

re: #421 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

It is so ironic to me that I, a conservative Christian, care more deeply about Israel and the Jews of the world than some Liberal Jews do.

426 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:36:41pm

Cost of a share of GE less than the cost of a light bulb.
Cost of a share of GM less than the cost of a gallon of gas.
Cost of a share of NY Times less than a Sunday paper.


Go Obama Go.

427 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:37:02pm

re: #414 Biff

How was Hillary maneuvered out of the Senate? Just because they told her she couldn't be majority leader? She had a stage from which she could be critical of O if he was faltering. From the Senate she was the logical airif Obama became unelectable in three years. She would have to quit State to run for President, and then she would still be painted with O's foreign policy. There was something very strange behind the scene in Hillary's appointment and acceptance of the State position. Maybe it was just a good excuse to get away from Bill.

That was either some good maneuvering on the part of Team Obama, or she has reached the end of her political ambition and took the 'end with dignity' route. The Presidential campaign must have made it abundantly clear that the bloom was off the Clinton Rose, and that it was Bill that was the popular one.

428 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:37:15pm

Global Market Share of Kidnappings (pdf)

Nigeria

Angola

Darfur

Kenya

Somalia

South Africa

Zimbabwe

Buenos Aires

Sao Paulo

Colombia

Ecuador

El Salvador

Guatemala

Honduras

Mexico

Nicaragua

Venezuela

China

India

Indonesia

Pakistan

Philippines

Haiti

Trinidad and Tobago

Georgia (not that one)

Russian Federation

Afghanistan

Iraq

Israel and Palestinian Territories

Yemen

429 acwgusa  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:38:00pm

Domains by Proxy. Found it.

430 mikeymom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:38:35pm

re: #397 Afrocity

my younger (28 then) son met a gal on that site- i NEVER would have guessed he would do that sort of thing--they've been together now for 15 months- kind of a shaky relationship in a few ways--good in others--who am i to judge

431 MJ  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:38:42pm

re: #414 Biff

How was Hillary maneuvered out of the Senate? Just because they told her she couldn't be majority leader? She had a stage from which she could be critical of O if he was faltering. From the Senate she was the logical airif Obama became unelectable in three years. She would have to quit State to run for President, and then she would still be painted with O's foreign policy. There was something very strange behind the scene in Hillary's appointment and acceptance of the State position. Maybe it was just a good excuse to get away from Bill.

Didn't say Hillary was " maneuvered out of the Senate". I said she has been outmaneuvered at State.
From Hillary's point of view, State probably looked like a good move at the time. She was, after all, just the Junior Senator from NY. While she might have taken the lead in the Senate on the health care issue, she might have figured she was already burned once on that issue so why return to it? Besides, Ted Kennedy is the go-to guy on that issue and she would never out-rank Teddy when it came to that issue...even in Teddy's current declining health.
I don't expect Hillary to run against Obama in 4 years. I don't expect any Democrat of note to run against him. Hillary isn't positioning herself for 2012 but 2016.

432 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:38:51pm

re: #421 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

May God help Israel. Please try to remember there are many of us who are aghast at some of the actions of the governement and others.

Will the majority of Israelis fight for their right to live?

433 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:39:41pm
434 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:40:01pm

re: #408 newsjunkie_ky

ABC doesn't say where they got the statistic from. The American Poject has a graph up that has nothing to do with Phoenix, the link for their source goes to a government document that also doesn't mention Phoenix.
What happened to the fact checking lizard army? Have they all gone to lunch?

435 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:40:12pm
436 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:40:16pm

re: #384 Ward Cleaver

jcm and some others here can tell us more about Locke.

Gary Locke. Actually not a complete disaster like the current Gov. Former King Co. executive then Gov. Mainstream Liberal democrat, before move.org, not a lefty loony.

437 vagabond trader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:40:16pm

re: #352 Biff

A multimillion dollar campaign debt.

438 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:40:21pm

re: #432 Eowyn2

May God help Israel. Please try to remember there are many of us who are aghast at some of the actions of the governement and others.

Will the majority of Israelis fight for their right to live?

Israelis, yes. Look at the election results.

439 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:41:05pm

Heading out for a while.
BBL

440 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:41:23pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

This is truly f**king stupid.

We are dooming future US pilots to having to once again fight tooth and nail for air superiority.

They are hoping the current F-22s (plus old aircraft) will do the job for the five years or so until the first UCAVs are operational. This is not exactly a secret, but apparently it's not aggressively discussed, either.

441 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:41:37pm

re: #438 Kosh's Shadow

Israelis, yes. Look at the election results.

Yeah but, Lieberman bothers me. The man is a freaking fascist!

442 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:41:38pm

Hysteria is only possible with an audience. - Chuck Palahniuk

443 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:41:39pm

re: #431 MJ

Didn't say Hillary was " maneuvered out of the Senate". I said she has been outmaneuvered at State.
From Hillary's point of view, State probably looked like a good move at the time. She was, after all, just the Junior Senator from NY. While she might have taken the lead in the Senate on the health care issue, she might have figured she was already burned once on that issue so why return to it? Besides, Ted Kennedy is the go-to guy on that issue and she would never out-rank Teddy when it came to that issue...even in Teddy's current declining health.
I don't expect Hillary to run against Obama in 4 years. I don't expect any Democrat of note to run against him. Hillary isn't positioning herself for 2012 but 2016.

The thing is; Teddy is dying.

444 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:41:44pm

re: #423 wrenchwench

...

there you have it...me and Palomas have parted ways...nice snag

445 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:41:48pm

re: #430 mikeymom

my younger (28 then) son met a gal on that site- i NEVER would have guessed he would do that sort of thing--they've been together now for 15 months- kind of a shaky relationship in a few ways--good in others--who am i to judge

I met a girl online that wound up introducing me to the activity (Society of Creative Anachronism) through which I found Mrs. Hawk.

446 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:41:56pm

re: #438 Kosh's Shadow

Israelis, yes. Look at the election results.

those are the only election results that I found uplifting in the past 3 years.

447 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:42:01pm

re: #243 pat

" I just flew in on Aloha & my hair is a mess."

448 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:42:58pm

re: #421 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

What a great post.
The world's oldest hatred is far more ancient than most people realize. It sure is making an ugly, frightening surge lately. Kill, steal, destroy: what the Originator of this hatred has always desired to do. That and convince the world he doesn't exist. Author of Taqiyya, hater of God's own.

449 Shug  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:43:17pm

re: #426 screaming_eagle

Cost of a share of GE less than the cost of a light bulb.
Cost of a share of GM less than the cost of a gallon of gas.
Cost of a share of NY Times less than a Sunday paper.


Go Obama Go.


and you can buy a Chicago politician for a lot less these days too

450 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:43:47pm

re: #434 Killgore Trout

ABC doesn't say where they got the statistic from. The American Poject has a graph up that has nothing to do with Phoenix, the link for their source goes to a government document that also doesn't mention Phoenix.
What happened to the fact checking lizard army? Have they all gone to lunch?

My first question is, what does "#2 in kidnappings" even mean?

Are they talking about total numbers, or rate per 100,000 population (the typical way crime stats are reported), or what?

451 vagabond trader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:44:32pm

re: #421 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

On H*tler's birthday? THAT is no coincidence. Great post.

452 Biff  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:46:00pm

re: #431 MJ

I don't expect Hillary to run against Obama in 4 years. I don't expect any Democrat of note to run against him. Hillary isn't positioning herself for 2012 but 2016.


The way things are going, Hillary could be a Republican by then.

453 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:46:37pm

re: #436 jcm

Gary Locke. Actually not a complete disaster like the current Gov. Former King Co. executive then Gov. Mainstream Liberal democrat, before move.org, not a lefty loony.

On commerce. He was "surprised" Boeing moved corporate HQ to Chicago from Seattle. Boeing was born and grew up in Seattle. Seattle old timers still say Boeing's. As in personal possessive, it's Bill Boeing's company.

Boeing and written a letter to Locke saying the tax structure in WA was becoming untenable. He did during the budget crises during his tenure sign on to the (R)s no new taxes budget designed by Dino Rossi who lost the last two rounds to Gregoire.

Given the current crop Obama has picked Locke is best of the bunch. But no great shakes in the commerce field lawyer and politician, not a businessman.

454 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:46:54pm

re: #450 lobo91

My first question is, what does "#2 in kidnappings" even mean?

Are they talking about total numbers, or rate per 100,000 population (the typical way crime stats are reported), or what?

It seems to me that if Phoenix is averaging almost a kidnapping a day, that is a hell of a lot & that is the treal issue.

455 USBeast  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:47:29pm

re: #452 Biff

The way things are going, Hillary could be a Republican by then.

In the immortal words of John Wayne: "That'll be the day."

456 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:47:35pm
457 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:47:46pm

re: #434 Killgore Trout

ABC doesn't say where they got the statistic from. The American Poject has a graph up that has nothing to do with Phoenix, the link for their source goes to a government document that also doesn't mention Phoenix.
What happened to the fact checking lizard army? Have they all gone to lunch?

I've spent the last couple hours trying to find kidnapping statistics. They aren't separated out by the FBI or Phoenix's police department. Now I must go to lunch (or dinner...)

458 Biff  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:48:18pm

re: #442 Killgore Trout

Biff, night timer, party crasher.

459 solomonpanting  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:49:05pm
The paragraph includes: "Calls for ... the international protection of the Palestinian people throughout the occupied Palestinian territory."

That would go along way towards protecting Gazan inhabitants from Gazan murderers.

460 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:49:11pm

re: #452 Biff

The way things are going, Hillary could be a Republican by then.

God help us!

461 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:49:17pm

re: #425 goddessoftheclassroom

It is so ironic to me that I, a conservative Christian, care more deeply about Israel and the Jews of the world than some Liberal Jews do.

Tell me to pipe down as you weren't addressing me, but I do not think that's accurate to say. Many Jews, particularly reformed, have a long history of liberalism and that mean that they are Democrats. It does not follow that they don't care about Israel, however.

My father in law, celebrating his 85th birthday next month, voted for the first time in his life for a Republican president. You could not stop his outrage over the demonetization of Israel and Mr. Farrakhan's association with Obama in particular. It was actually kind of fun to see the old boy so worked up. He is truly the nicest man I have ever known and had never seen him like that.

462 Empire1  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:50:59pm

re: #217 tackle

OT, but was anyone else disgusted by the self-congratulatory, cozy, light-hearted discussion Obama and the media had after their little "we've decided to put a facade of responsiblity" summit? When will the press stop being yes-men and fawning at every damn thing he says?

Yes.

Never.

463 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:51:02pm

re: #454 opnion

It seems to me that if Phoenix is averaging almost a kidnapping a day, that is a hell of a lot & that is the treal issue.

I don't disagree. I'm just curious about what the claimed ranking means.

It's like the crap that's been reported in the MSM about how we currently have the "highest unemployment since 1945."

It's actually true, if all you're looking at is the total number of people who are unemployed (as opposed to the unemployment rate, which is nowhere near any sort of record level).

People forget that there are about twice as many Americans today as there were in 1945.

464 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:51:12pm

re: #460 Soona'
...re: #452 Biff
... The way things are going, Hillary could be a Republican by then.

God help us!

Ironically, given that she's not a creationist...
;-)

465 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:51:31pm

re: #452 Biff

The way things are going, Hillary could be a Republican by then.

yeah and I'll be Pope Stevenus I...not!

466 wordsworth  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:51:34pm

Obama heard there was a race card involve, and couldn't help but play it.

Mind you, neither Israelis, nor Arabs are a race.

467 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:51:56pm

re: #461 The Shadow Do

Tell me to pipe down as you weren't addressing me, but I do not think that's accurate to say. Many Jews, particularly reformed, have a long history of liberalism and that mean that they are Democrats. It does not follow that they don't care about Israel, however.

My father in law, celebrating his 85th birthday next month, voted for the first time in his life for a Republican president. You could not stop his outrage over the demonetization of Israel and Mr. Farrakhan's association with Obama in particular. It was actually kind of fun to see the old boy so worked up. He is truly the nicest man I have ever known and had never seen him like that.

Oh, I completely agree with you: hence the all-important "SOME" Liberal Jews."

I tend to think people of your father-in-law's generation remember the past far better having lived through it,

468 pegcity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:52:24pm

im sorry but the JSF does not cut it. It does not have the thrust, climb or range capabilities to be a truly successful multi role fighter.

Imo it's nothing more than a fancier F16 with stealth.

Nothing wrong with the F16 but i wouldn't want to have to dogfight a Sukhoi 27 with one engine.

469 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:53:01pm

re: #461 The Shadow Do

demonetization

PINMF !

Demonize dammit.

470 vagabond trader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:53:10pm

re: #463 lobo91

It prolly means that accurate stats will not be forthcoming due to the fact that AZ is particuarly interested in keeping its tourism numbers up.

471 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:53:46pm

re: #461 The Shadow Do

Tell me to pipe down as you weren't addressing me, but I do not think that's accurate to say. Many Jews, particularly reformed, have a long history of liberalism and that mean that they are Democrats. It does not follow that they don't care about Israel, however.

My father in law, celebrating his 85th birthday next month, voted for the first time in his life for a Republican president. You could not stop his outrage over the demonetization of Israel and Mr. Farrakhan's association with Obama in particular. It was actually kind of fun to see the old boy so worked up. He is truly the nicest man I have ever known and had never seen him like that.

But there just weren't enough liberal Jews like your dad n' law. I know some liberal Jews that knew exactly what the zero's attitude was toward Israel, and they voted for him anyway.

472 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:54:05pm

re: #463 lobo91

I don't disagree. I'm just curious about what the claimed ranking means.

It's like the crap that's been reported in the MSM about how we currently have the "highest unemployment since 1945."

It's actually true, if all you're looking at is the total number of people who are unemployed (as opposed to the unemployment rate, which is nowhere near any sort of record level).

People forget that there are about twice as many Americans today as there were in 1945.


Right, I understood your point. Stats can be really misleading. Is it in real numers or per 100,000. Either way though it does seem like a lot of kidnapping.

473 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:54:07pm

re: #456 buzzsawmonkey

Surrender Soda™ is served cowardice cold.

Bottled in France?

474 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:54:42pm

re: #467 goddessoftheclassroom

Oh, I completely agree with you: hence the all-important "SOME" Liberal Jews."

I tend to think people of your father-in-law's generation remember the past far better having lived through it,

Yes, yes they do.

475 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:54:58pm
476 vagabond trader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:55:04pm

re: #471 Soona'

Willful ignorance explains it for me.

477 opnion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:55:17pm

Buenos Noches, Los Lizards Grande!

478 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:55:26pm

re: #450 lobo91

I don't care how they slice it, per capita, average per square mile, average per hour, etc. There is absolutely no way that statistic is correct. Not even close. In fact I'd be willing to bet Phoenix is in the top 10% safest cities in the world. Think about how many cities in Asia, South America, Africa and the Middle East are more dangerous than Phoenix. It's complete stupidity and the fact that nobody can even find the source of that statistic demonstrates that it's completely fictitious.

479 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:55:42pm

re: #468 pegcity

im sorry but the JSF does not cut it. It does not have the thrust, climb or range capabilities to be a truly successful multi role fighter.

Imo it's nothing more than a fancier F16 with stealth.

Nothing wrong with the F16 but i wouldn't want to have to dogfight a Sukhoi 27 with one engine.

I would think an F/A18 would still be superior to the Su27...no?

480 Gus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:56:33pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

I was looking into this and from what I gathered Columbia is still the leader in world kidnappings. Seems as though their numbers are in decline. I also saw that the kidnapping reported in Phoenix includes called in cases and not necessarily full fledged kidnappings.

Also from a Reuters report regarding Virtual Kidnappings:

Agents have also recorded a growing number of "virtual kidnappings," in which abductors cold-call an immigrant's family falsely claiming that they are holding them hostage. The tactic is used frequently Mexico, where abduction is a lucrative and sophisticated industry.

I'd say you are correct in your summary regarding this potential inflation of statistics. Kidnappings are also lumped in with missing persons and parental kidnappings. Overall though Phoenix is number 1 in the United States and not the world.

Keep in mind too that certain government agencies will inflate statistics in order to obtain increased funding.

481 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:56:33pm

re: #468 pegcity

im sorry but the JSF does not cut it. It does not have the thrust, climb or range capabilities to be a truly successful multi role fighter.

Imo it's nothing more than a fancier F16 with stealth.

Nothing wrong with the F16 but i wouldn't want to have to dogfight a Sukhoi 27 with one engine.

That's why the F-22 is the Air Superiority Fighter and the F-35 is the one with "Affordable" as one of it's attributes. It's even on the patch.

482 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:57:22pm
483 pegcity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:58:33pm

re: #479 albusteve

from a manuvering standpoint no, the 27 has thrust vectoring which allows for 0 stall capability.

The F18 was never intended for dogfighting, its more of a bomber, its fast and has lots of thrust but would be no match for a more maneuverable plane in a close air dogfight with a 27.

484 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:59:02pm
485 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 3:59:40pm

re: #479 albusteve

I would think an F/A18 would still be superior to the Su27...no?

If the Su27 is on the ground a B-2 is superior.

486 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:00:07pm

The trial was the second for David Ahenakew, 75, who told a local newspaper in the western province of Saskatchewan that Jews were a "disease" that Hitler was trying to "clean up" when he "fried six million of those guys".

nothing like giving the lunatics air time and exposure...he should be shunned rather than prosecuted...nice going Canada ya boob

487 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:01:01pm

re: #480 Gus 802

Keep in mind too that certain government agencies will inflate statistics in order to obtain increased funding.


That's what I'm thinking. Although the ABC story doesn't come out and say it, I think the story is coming from the Phoenix police department. If that's the case I'll go further to suspect that the shrill panic and hysteria is because they are hopping to get some of that fine free stimulus money that chairman Obama is throwing around. The good Republicans of Arizona are probably too embarrassed to ask for it outright so they just made up a bogus news story instead.
I have no doubt that they have a rising problem with kidnapping but it's nothing near what they are claiming.

488 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:01:22pm

re: #483 pegcity

from a manuvering standpoint no, the 27 has thrust vectoring which allows for 0 stall capability.

The F18 was never intended for dogfighting, its more of a bomber, its fast and has lots of thrust but would be no match for a more maneuverable plane in a close air dogfight with a 27.

I didnt realize dog fight were close these days...I'm just scooping up the skinny here

489 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:02:15pm

re: #479 albusteve

I would think an F/A18 would still be superior to the Su27...no?

No matter what modern fighter (F15,F22,F35,F18) we may be flying against the Russians, we still have a very wide advantage in target radar, and air to air missile technology.

490 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:03:18pm

re: #485 screaming_eagle

If the Su27 is on the ground a B-2 is superior.

saw one fly by at the air show in Kalamazoo one year...simply awsome...I got all choked up when that beast floated by

491 vagabond trader  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:03:20pm

I can't post the link, but there are a number of attorney's in Phoenix offering specialty service in kidnap defense. Seems rather peculiar if business was not booming. Not a one kidnap defense attorney in my area,lol.

492 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:03:46pm
493 CapeCoddah  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:04:00pm

Hey all,
You will not believe who FOX is now getting opinions on troop movement from.
Bill Ayers. I kid you not.
Hannity is the jackass having him on tonight. I know Hannity hates him, but, it seems to my tiny mind that giving this asshole 1 second of airtime is well, indescribable, horrendous.


[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

494 Empire1  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:04:12pm

re: #425 goddessoftheclassroom

It is so ironic to me that I, a conservative Christian, care more deeply about Israel and the Jews of the world than some Liberal Jews do.

As do I, a Pagan. The incredible courage of the Israelis demands respect and honor; I don't see how anyone can disparage them.

495 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:04:27pm

re: #467 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!
You look GREAT this evening!

496 Gus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:04:49pm

re: #487 Killgore Trout

No doubt. I don't know how the Phoenix PD runs things but their sheriff's department is notoriously political.

Here's a general search on Google for "Virtual Kidnappings."

This is on the rise which may account for the increase of kidnapping cases.

497 CapeCoddah  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:05:24pm

re: #493 CapeCoddah

Hey all,
You will not believe who FOX is now getting opinions on troop movement from.
Bill Ayers. I kid you not.
Hannity is the jackass having him on tonight. I know Hannity hates him, but, it seems to my tiny mind that giving this asshole 1 second of airtime is well, indescribable, horrendous.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Correction. it is Colmes interviewing him on Hannity's show.

498 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:05:31pm

re: #490 albusteve

saw one fly by at the air show in Kalamazoo one year...simply awsome...I got all choked up when that beast floated by

Couple years ago at the Pocona 500 they flew one overhead rather low. Glad they are ours!

499 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:05:44pm

re: #472 opnion

Right, I understood your point. Stats can be really misleading. Is it in real numers or per 100,000. Either way though it does seem like a lot of kidnapping.

It does, but it also seems to be almost exclusively limited to relatives of people involved in either drug running or illegal immigration in Phoenix. neither group is too likely to go to the police for help, which is precisely why it works as a tactic.

Unless you're part of one of those two groups, I doubt that you'd be in any more danger in Phoenix than you would be in any other similar-sized US city. The problems in Mexico, of course, are completely different. Down there, Americans are actually deliberately targeted, because the kidnappers know their families actually have the money to pay them.

500 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:05:59pm

re: #495 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!
You look GREAT this evening!

MWAH!

501 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:06:06pm

re: Durban II ...

Has anyone coined OBAMIAN WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE yet?
Is it too over-the-top?

502 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:06:46pm

re: #489 Soona'

No matter what modern fighter (F15,F22,F35,F18) we may be flying against the Russians, we still have a very wide advantage in target radar, and air to air missile technology.

we bad...I would love to see the F22 be our air superiority plane of choice...it's an incredible piece of technology to waste...I've heard both sides of the argument but it doesnt look good for a large deployment...time will tell

503 jayzee  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:06:58pm

Read the comments on Charles' linked Forbes article. I think they are horrifying.

504 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:07:01pm

re: #500 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

ROFLMAO!

505 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:07:52pm

re: #504 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ROFLMAO!

That was my reaction to yours!

I wonder whether people sit staring at their pets all day with a camera ready just in case...

506 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:09:21pm

re: #484 buzzsawmonkey

One of the reasons I left the supposedly-Conservative synagogue I used to attend was the rabbi's reference, shortly after the Al-Dura incident, to "people being murdered" in Israel. Not killed; "murdered." And it wasn't Israelis that she was referring to.

I would guess that if you were to take a poll in that congregation regarding the relative importance of legalizing same-sex marriage, fretting about Darfur, and supporting Israel, supporting Israel would come in dead last.

Holy cow.

507 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:09:31pm

re: #499 lobo91

It does, but it also seems to be almost exclusively limited to relatives of people involved in either drug running or illegal immigration in Phoenix. neither group is too likely to go to the police for help, which is precisely why it works as a tactic.

Unless you're part of one of those two groups, I doubt that you'd be in any more danger in Phoenix than you would be in any other similar-sized US city. The problems in Mexico, of course, are completely different. Down there, Americans are actually deliberately targeted, because the kidnappers know their families actually have the money to pay them.

When I'm in Mexico, and they decide to kidnap me for ransom, their's going to be some really, really, really disappointed kidnappers.

508 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:09:59pm

re: #498 screaming_eagle

Couple years ago at the Pocona 500 they flew one overhead rather low. Glad they are ours!

I got to see an F-22 demo at an airshow at Nellis AFB in late 2007.

Makes an F-15 look like a dogsled.

509 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:10:13pm

re: #498 screaming_eagle

Couple years ago at the Pocona 500 they flew one overhead rather low. Glad they are ours!

every once inna while I'll see a couple of F16s and a tanker or C130 drive down the river right over my place here in ABQ headed for Kirtland...low and slow and screaming loud...I love it

510 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:10:23pm
511 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:10:42pm

re: #505 goddessoftheclassroom

That was my reaction to yours!

I wonder whether people sit staring at their pets all day with a camera ready just in case...

:D
Some probably do.

512 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:11:05pm

re: #425 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess, its complicated. I know many liberal Jews and most of them support Israel. The problem is their support is powered by their liberalism. This means that when Israel concludes a peace treaty with Jordan, they positively swoon. They genuinely thought Oslo and Camp David II could work.

The problem is they think the Arab world is just like us and wants peace. They think anything can be negotiated. THEY MEAN WELL! But the problem is reality. The signs of Oslo going bad were there for all to see, I warned them and so did others. They were begged to draw lines and demand performance. But the voices further to their left, the whispers they listen to far more than the right, said a little more land, give Arafat weapons so he can fight terror (and all that).

The criminally tragic part of this who mess is they have learned nothing. I thought Clinton was foolish but never dangerous; never went to bed wondering if Israel was doomed under Clinton. Our new President is showing he is Carter on steroids. Carter was a disaster; the Golden Child is just frightening to me. He is already doing things that are going to get some Jews killed and he looks like he is going to do something really stupid and get a whole lot of Jews killed.

Once upon a time, classic libneralism was a ticket out of the Ghetto and 130 years later, it still captivates Jewish minds. The problem is that the world has changed. We got out of the Ghetto in Europe and into the country clubs in the 1970s but that did not save us from Hitler's iron boot or from far left antisemitism that has grown to become, in my opinion, almost as dangerous Hitler. FDR and HST may have saved the world but they did not save the Jews. Liberalism in national security affairs is a luxury for Swedish minds.

Fast forward to today, Jew hatred is exploding and the Liberal first instinct is conciliation but there is nothing to talk about with Iran and Libya, you have to confront them with principled strength and unyielding determination. And Jewish pride. I am never ashamed to be Jewish. Liberals can be turned because they refuse to see the world as a jungle. Its not a jungle in the upper west side, how dangerous can the world be? This false sense of security is what lets them think Swedish.

This brings us to the central danger of Obama, if he is only indifferent to Israel, he can do a lot of damage. All the initial signs point to my worst fears about Obama, he lied his way to the top and he, like most far leftists, hates Israel. And the Jews helped put him over the top.

513 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:11:24pm
514 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:12:29pm

re: #507 Soona'

When I'm in Mexico, and they decide to kidnap me for ransom, their's going to be some really, really, really disappointed kidnappers.

From what I've read, they typically don't demand all that much money when they kidnap foreigners down there. Certainly not millions, or anything.

Since the goal is to make money, there's not much point in demanding something they have no hope of getting.

515 sabradom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:12:31pm

I'll be honest regarding how I felt about Obama and what would become of US-Israel relations under his watch. I was wary but remained hopeful - of course I didn't have a choice. I'll admit I wasn't sure what to make of him. I will be so utterly disappointed and disillusioned if the Obama team doesn't take a stand at any point and it will confirm my suspicions that we will have Jimmy 'Dhimmi' Carter II in the white house for the next 4 years at least. Let me say that I didn't agree with Bush's lack of diplomacy. I'm a strong believer in 'speak softly and carry a big stick'. He didn't understand the speak softly part but at least he knew well enough to oppose the ridiculous and cynical U.N. Arab bloc's anti-Israel obsession. I'm trying really hard to look at the silver lining in regards to having a president that believes the world of fanatical Islam will stop hating us if we stop opposing them. Here it is; after 4 years of Obama/U.S. being stepped on by our enemies who are emboldened by inaction and spinelessness America will elect the anti-dhimmi. America might have to suffer for 4 years, as will Israel, but Americans will realize that being nice to our enemies isn't helping and that in dealing with an enemy the only option on the table is to defeat them. So let Obama demonstrate to Americans and the world the effectiveness of extending tyrants an olive branch. Let it serve as exhibit A and be a catalyst for America to elect a president that reserves the olive branches for peace loving people and offers our enemies the choice of defeat or surrender.

516 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:13:00pm

re: #512 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Very well said. Meaning well means nothing.

517 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:13:13pm
518 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:13:14pm

BBIAM

519 dcclxx  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:13:33pm

This stuff is really interest-mont

520 Tigger2005  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:13:35pm

Britain and Italy are threatening to pull out of Durban II. Wouldn't surprise me if Canada did too. Oh, well, maybe there's a faint silver lining to America's failure to provide moral leadership ... a few other countries might step up to the plate.

521 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:14:11pm
522 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:15:49pm

If only the U.S. had 50 members in the UN, like the Ummah do. One nation out of many, vs. 57 out of one. Good gravy.

523 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:16:28pm

re: #508 lobo91

I got to see an F-22 demo at an airshow at Nellis AFB in late 2007.

Makes an F-15 look like a dogsled.

the year the Russions brought their Mig29 to the states we saw them in Kazoo again (only 6 or 8 shows if I recall)...the damned thing cound stand on it's tail motionless...course you've probably seen that...amazing...and the support crews unis did not match...weird sneakers and dirty clothes...their cargo plane was filthy...really a bunch of unkempt drunks...compare that to our Blue Angels..speaks volumes

524 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:17:05pm

re: #513 buzzsawmonkey

That's not how I would have referred to that particular rabbi, but now that you mention it...

LOL, big chortle here. I made a funny and didn't know it.

525 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:17:29pm

re: #508 lobo91

I got to see an F-22 demo at an airshow at Nellis AFB in late 2007.

Makes an F-15 look like a dogsled.

I can't watch live fighter demos. I get too sexually aroused.
//:)

526 BlueCanuck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:18:19pm

re: #520 Tigger2005

I thought Canada already did?

527 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:18:20pm

re: #522 Taqiyyotomist

If only the U.S. had 50 members in the UN, like the Ummah do. One nation out of many, vs. 57 out of one. Good gravy.

the UN is a disgrace...did you know that?...they get people killed

528 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:18:44pm

Turning Ceiling fan falls on muji's head !


529 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:19:00pm

re: #484 buzzsawmonkey

One of the reasons I left the supposedly-Conservative synagogue I used to attend was the rabbi's reference, shortly after the Al-Dura incident, to "people being murdered" in Israel. Not killed; "murdered." And it wasn't Israelis that she was referring to.

Oy

530 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:19:23pm

re: #482 ploome hineni

meanwhile

Bahrain crown prince: UK too pro-Israel

Prince al-Khalifa says Arab-Israeli conflict can only be solved if both sides are approached objectively

Jews are so picky!

Oh noes, Bahrain Prince's friend is wearing a Jew Bracelet!

531 Aviator  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:21:37pm

I fully believe the O plans on cutting defense spending to the bone and then some. The military guys are going to be saving their junk mail to use for toilet paper since real toilet paper will just be a pleasant memory. Carter on steroids - and meth.

532 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:22:00pm

re: #527 albusteve

Oh, I know, too well. It would be nice though, to see the world's reaction if we all of a sudden declared that we were now, only for the purposes of the general assembly, just like the Ummah, a buncha separate nations, and we'd make sure that all 50 vote the same...you know, just like the Ummah does. We'll call our "loose confederation" the Organization of the American Conference, yeah!

533 Sheepdogess  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:22:27pm

re: #421 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I remember reading an article about Israel after 9/11 that was written in the 60's. It could have been written on 9/12. I don't recall the name of the author, but I remember the punchline went something like this...

As goes Israel, so goes the US.

I wish I could remember the author.

534 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:23:32pm

The 50 nations of the Organization of the Kuffar Conference.

Better YET...the O.I.C. Redux. The Organization of the Infidel Conference.

535 Cathypop  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:24:36pm

re: #528 Dustyvet

PRICELESS!

536 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:24:45pm

re: #533 Sheepdogess

I remember reading an article about Israel after 9/11 that was written in the 60's. It could have been written on 9/12. I don't recall the name of the author, but I remember the punchline went something like this...


I wish I could remember the author.

Kissinger?

537 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:24:54pm

I have a question. Work with me here. Where did the Jews come from?

538 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:25:38pm

re: #537 UberInfidel67

I have a question. Work with me here. Where did the Jews come from?

Jews are from Jewpiter.

Muslims are from Uranus.

539 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:25:54pm

re: #537 UberInfidel67

I have a question. Work with me here. Where did the Jews come from?

Well, according to the Muslims, not from the real estate we now call Israel...

540 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:26:20pm

i didn't watch the oscars.
but mark levin just played some clips of sean penn's acceptance speech.
does this fcking jerk have any idea what happens to gay people in m.e. countries?
surely he must, at this point. and of course he says nothing abt. gays being buried alive, hung by the neck from cranes , and bull dozed into the ground etc.
he prefers to bemoan on how bad america is doing in recognizing the rights of the the gay community. what a crock.

these hollywoofers are such self centered, self-promoters.
sean penn does not care abt. gay people
or he wouldn't have missed a perfect opportunity to get the word out there.

541 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:26:31pm
542 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:26:34pm

re: #538 Alouette

Jews are from Jewpiter.

Muslims are from Uranus.

rofl!

543 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:26:46pm

re: #539 lobo91
OK...then who made up this group of people called Jews? I am trying to look at this like someone who has NOOO clue what is going on. As i said, work with me here.

544 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:27:20pm
545 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:27:39pm

re: #537 UberInfidel67

I have a question. Work with me here. Where did the Jews come from?

The Bible says Abraham left the city of Ur.

546 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:27:40pm
547 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:27:48pm

re: #537 UberInfidel67

I have a question. Work with me here. Where did the Jews come from?

Well you see, in the spring, when the birds and the bees start flying...//

548 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:28:16pm

re: #544 ploome hineni

which Jews?

how far back?

where did Christians come from?

Jews.

549 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:28:19pm

So everything I read in the bible as a child and was taught in church is bullshit? There was never a country called "Israel" before? The moes were here (there and everywhere, according to them) before the Jews?

550 CapeCoddah  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:28:59pm

re: #515 sabradom
"Here it is; after 4 years of Obama/U.S. being stepped on by our enemies who are emboldened by inaction and spinelessness America will elect the anti-dhimmi. America might have to suffer for 4 years, as will Israel, but Americans will realize that being nice to our enemies isn't helping and that in dealing with an enemy the only option on the table is to defeat them."

At what price do we allow Obama to weaken us in the eyes of terrorists? Which of our cities is expendable? Who among our children, neighbors, friends are expendable become the next victims of an attack on America? That is one hell of a price to pay for a lesson needed. If an attack happens and Americans die after what Obama has done to weaken this country in one short month, after 7 years of being kept safe by an unpopular president, who was unfairly villified for the way he kept us safe, villified by the very people he kept safe, then anyone, especially Obama, who had a hand in weakening us, should be charged in the murders of those Americans our president is condemning to death with his dangerous policies. President Bush, who will always have my support and undying thanks, made mistakes. But, he kept us safe. That is the ultimate job of POTUS, to protect and defend this country and it's citizens. President Bush did a damned fine job keeping us safe.

551 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:29:19pm

re: #512 Ayatollah Ghilmeini


Very well said. I am beyond pissed off, but why should I be? I knew this was going to happen sooner or later, but The One has managed to begin to accomplish his Middle East goals in just over a month. How do the liberal Jews who voted for him and support Israel feel now? Is the honeymoon over? I cannot read any more comments, bcz I am going to blow it. Damn it! I just logged on, but now I have to go and do some work before I write something really stupid.
Good evening!

552 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:29:28pm

re: #544 ploome hineni

which Jews?

how far back?

where did Christians come from?

Oklahoma.

553 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:29:54pm

re: #540 nyc redneck

i didn't watch the oscars.
but mark levin just played some clips of sean penn's acceptance speech.
does this fcking jerk have any idea what happens to gay people in m.e. countries?
surely he must, at this point. and of course he says nothing abt. gays being buried alive, hung by the neck from cranes , and bull dozed into the ground etc.
he prefers to bemoan on how bad america is doing in recognizing the rights of the the gay community. what a crock.

these hollywoofers are such self centered, self-promoters.
sean penn does not care abt. gay people
or he wouldn't have missed a perfect opportunity to get the word out there.

From what I saw, he was the only idiot to do that. Everybody else stuck with the Thank You's and stayed on topic for an awards show. Not having Bush to piss and moan about in acceptance speeches must be driving these guys nuts.

554 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:29:58pm

re: #544 ploome hineni
Ploome, do not take this as a personal insult. I mean no offense. I am just wondering where the hell wackos think the Jews came from and where the hell they think they should go. It really pisses me off. You have these formerly Christian nations being split into little autonomous "countries" because the moes want to rule themselves. Why are the Jew denied this?

555 lobo91  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:30:07pm

re: #549 UberInfidel67

So everything I read in the bible as a child and was taught in church is bullshit? There was never a country called "Israel" before? The moes were here (there and everywhere, according to them) before the Jews?

According to the Muslims, yes.

Nobody said it was true.

556 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:30:24pm
557 dkorta  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:30:58pm

> On April 20th, Hitler's birthday, Durban II will kick off.


That is f*cking precious. These clowns are to be laughed at.

558 Gus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:31:20pm

re: #523 albusteve

You know the Russians. They'll let their pilots push the envelope even if it puts the air show crowd in danger. The Blue Angels revised their routine to remove any positive energy maneuvers towards the crowds. The USAF will of course limit maneuvers to extend air frame life and prevent injury and death. The Russians have a careless attitude on this which of course makes their air demos more thrilling.

If you add the effect of smoke to the air demos it also amplifies the maneuvers. The current F-22 demos do no employ smoke. Max Moga was the prime demo pilot for a duration and displayed the F-22 capabilities within a specified program including zero airspeed maneuvers.

And another video of Max and the Raptor.

559 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:31:34pm

re: #545 OldLineTexan

The Bible says Abraham left the city of Ur.

heh ... Edessa has a way of popping up, doesn't it!
/obscure reference

560 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:31:42pm

re: #555 lobo91
I KNOW it isn't true. But is this the way the world is supposed to see it? What a fucking crock!

561 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:32:19pm

Back from my date. That was okay.

562 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:32:25pm

And one more thing- Israelis have voted in several left of center governments over the last 30 years.

The Israeli left got clobbered in the recent election, they now hold less than 25 seats, the rest went centrist or right. US Jews may have their illusions but Hamas' Grad rockets created a second premiership for Netanyahu- Israelis wanted someone who sees the situation correctly. The folks who screwed up things the last four years are out of power with no prospects of their return any time soon. Part of this sea change was also from Obama, Israelis are very worried that Obama will toss Israel to the wolves to placate Iran and the Islamists.

I think Israel's best shot is to push hard and far with its tacit alliance with the Saudis and the Egyptians. The theory is their regimes are as threatened by the radicals as is Israel's existence. The Saudis deeply fear Iran (and they should!), they always trusted Bush but Obama's reach out to Iran is seen by the Saudis as very dangerous. In fact, Israel could fly over Saudi airspace to get to Iran and not even need a "Green Light" from Obama; the Saudis are so scared of Iran, they might even let Israeli pilots take off and land from their bases! Wouldn't that be wild? All Israel would have to do is repaint their planes with Saudi and Egyptian markings... solves the refueling problem too. So long as the Saudis were sure the Iranians would be well and truly stomped all things would be possible.

563 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:32:36pm

re: #561 Afrocity
That was quick

564 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:32:51pm
565 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:32:56pm

re: #556 ploome hineni

what's for dinner?

LOL!

566 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:33:14pm

re: #561 Afrocity

Back from my date. That was okay.

Much politics discussed?

567 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:33:16pm

re: #561 Afrocity

Back from my date. That was okay.

That was quick

568 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:33:25pm

re: #549 UberInfidel67

So everything I read in the bible as a child and was taught in church is bullshit? There was never a country called "Israel" before? The moes were here (there and everywhere, according to them) before the Jews?

UberInfidel - Islam came into being after Christianity, and Christianity after Judaism.
from wiki:

Islam (Arabic: الإسلام; al-'islām (help·info); pronounced [ɪs.ˈlæːm][note 1]) is a monotheistic, Abrahamic religion originating with the teachings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, a 7th century Arab religious and political figure.

Israel comes from:

According to the Bible, the Israelites were the descendants of the Biblical patriarch Jacob. They were divided into twelve tribes, each descended from one of twelve sons or grandsons of Jacob.
The term Israelite derives from Israel (Hebrew: ישראל (Standard Yisraʾel Tiberian Yiśrāʾēl)), the name given to Jacob after the death of Isaac. (Genesis 32:28-29). His descendants are called the House of Jacob, the Children of Israel, the People of Israel, or the Israelites.
569 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:33:51pm

re: #556 ploome hineni

what's for dinner?

Pizza. We have 1/2 "Margherita", 1/2 "Mediterranean", and a 1/2Pepperoni, 1/2 Cheese for the short folk.

Tomorrow is frozen chicken nugget night, because I have a meeting at 6:30pm that is about 45 minutes away by mommy-van.

570 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:33:55pm

re: #564 ploome hineni
How can most people even TRY to dispute the evidence? Are people really that fucking stupid? Arghhh

571 Cathypop  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:34:15pm

re: #550 CapeCoddah
I hope it never happens. If it does I will be VERY happy to rub it in the face of every asswipe that adores the Oshit. President Bush kept us safe and I will not let them forget it.

572 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:34:50pm
573 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:34:59pm
574 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:35:34pm

re: #561 Afrocity

Back from my date. That was okay.

Man, you kids are fast daters these days!

/

575 Code Red 21  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:35:34pm

Can we label the BO administration as antisemitic now?

576 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:35:36pm
577 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:35:42pm

re: #568 reine.de.tout
Really, I DO know the history and the timelines. I just want to know how ANYONE can think otherwise. Has the world gone nuts? It frustrates the hell out of me and I ain't even Jewish! I am a Catholic with the greatest love and respect for the Jewish faith...without them, we wouldn't be here. How can someone try to deny these people a homeland?

578 Gus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:35:47pm

Ah, change that video reference about the crazy Russian pilots. Same principles.

579 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:36:20pm

re: #561 Afrocity

Back from my date. That was okay.

That was one long-lasting, serious relationship. ;)

580 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:36:27pm

here are the numbers that make me uncomfortable:

1.5 billion moslems

14 million jews.

(where's the humanity?)

581 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:36:31pm

re: #576 ploome hineni

so I hear your man came back to town

you want to tell us how it went?

Are you out of your mind?

582 least  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:36:45pm

Listen to what we say . . . don't even think about what we do.

Wow. The O team is digging the pit deeper and deeper.

Proverbs 26:27

583 Cathypop  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:36:49pm

re: #577 UberInfidel67

Really, I DO know the history and the timelines. I just want to know how ANYONE can think otherwise. Has the world gone nuts? It frustrates the hell out of me and I ain't even Jewish! I am a Catholic with the greatest love and respect for the Jewish faith...without them, we wouldn't be here. How can someone try to deny these people a homeland?

Hateful people can deny anything that gets in their way

584 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:37:03pm

re: #573 buzzsawmonkey
I really do know that. I guess I am trying to wrap my mind around to the lefty jew-hating way of thinking. It's not working. They are still lefty jew-haters.

585 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:37:12pm

re: #567 screaming_eagle

That was quick

The evening date I keep it lite and down to 30 minutes. Get a drink or some coffee. That way if they are a bore I don't have to sit through dinner- which can linger. He was older than 44. I just know he was.

586 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:37:36pm

re: #577 UberInfidel67

I'm with you all the way, there.

587 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:38:14pm

re: #585 Afrocity

The evening date I keep it lite and down to 30 minutes. Get a drink or some coffee. That way if they are a bore I don't have to sit through dinner- which can linger. He was older than 44. I just know he was.

Saw him in half and count his rings. ;)

588 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:38:41pm

re: #585 Afrocity

Long enough to check out vibes huh?

589 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:38:43pm
590 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:38:59pm

re: #585 Afrocity

The evening date I keep it lite and down to 30 minutes. Get a drink or some coffee. That way if they are a bore I don't have to sit through dinner- which can linger. He was older than 44. I just know he was.

So...?

591 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:39:03pm

re: #586 reine.de.tout
I swear I need a soapbox...or a friggin' pulpit. There are a lot of folks that need a good straightening out and I am in themood to give them one!

592 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:39:26pm

re: #589 ploome hineni

I probably am

/hehehehe

:-)

593 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:39:30pm
594 Gus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:39:56pm

Correction:

You know the Russians Ukranians. They'll let their pilots push the envelope even if it puts the air show crowd in danger. The Blue Angels revised their routine to remove any positive energy maneuvers towards the crowds...

Guess I'm still stuck in a Warsaw Pact mentality. Ironically, seems as though they might be too.

595 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:40:11pm

re: #587 OldLineTexan

Nah, there was something "damaged goods-ish" about him.

I hate it when they talk about their ex on a date.

He was an independent in terms of politics, he voted for Nader.

596 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:40:13pm
597 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:40:15pm

re: #589 ploome hineni

ROTFLMAO.

I am glad you went "hehehehehe" instead of "MUWHAHAHAHAHA!" 'cuz now I know you're not eeevil.

/

598 opinionated  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:40:58pm

re: #354 Kosh's Shadow

Here is what the US said at the Durban II racism planning conference:

"I hate to be the cause of unhappiness in the room... I have to suggest [amendments] and I offer my sincere apologies."

Translation: We're bending over, come on and kick us in the ass. This is what you say after you are defeated.
0bama is surrendering.

Read more here.

I'm sorry, but that is not how I read that remarkable statement. I see it as very sinister toward Israel.

In a room full of vitriolic Israel haters, the American representative is apologizing that he can not join in the bashing festivities but must pretend to seek to tone down the hatred. [wink, wink]

599 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:41:00pm
600 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:41:15pm

re: #595 Afrocity

Nah, there was something "damaged goods-ish" about him.

I hate it when they talk about their ex on a date.

He was an independent in terms of politics, he voted for Nader.

Oof. Hold out for a Luap Nor supporter, minimum.

/

601 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:41:18pm

re: #593 ploome hineni

you sure you are not Bubble Girl?

who the hell is bubble girl? Is she having more fun than I am?

602 CapeCoddah  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:41:20pm

re: #571 Cathypop

I hope it never happens. If it does I will be VERY happy to rub it in the face of every asswipe that adores the Oshit. President Bush kept us safe and I will not let them forget it.

Here is what pisses me off no end...It WILL happen. It already has. This idiot "president" is playing craps with American lives. The house always has the edge.
(I do NOT mean the White House)
Look around you, folks, is it YOUR home that will be targeted next, mine, maybe?
For the first time in the history of this nation, it's citizens need to live in fear for their lives, because of direct action taken by the president who swore on a bible to protect us.

603 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:41:20pm

,,,

604 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:42:06pm

re: #595 Afrocity

Nah, there was something "damaged goods-ish" about him.

I hate it when they talk about their ex on a date.

He was an independent in terms of politics, he voted for Nader.

It's good that you dumped the dumb SOB!

605 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:42:23pm

re: #599 ploome hineni

(did she wear the push up bra?)

Will this thread turn into "Days of Our Lives" or "Search for Tomorrow"?

/should I duck and run like hell?

606 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:42:24pm

re: #603 EmmmieG

,,, ,,, ,,,

Wa that preceeded by a thud?

607 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:42:27pm

re: #600 OldLineTexan

Oof. Hold out for a Luap Nor supporter, minimum.

/

These are the jokes, EmmmieG. ;)

608 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:42:28pm
609 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:42:31pm

re: #603 EmmmieG

,,, ,,, ,,,

I don't belive you.

610 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:43:20pm

That and the left are desperate - even willing to devastate our entire economy - to prove Reagan wrong.


[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

611 Racer X  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:43:42pm

re: #561 Afrocity

Back from my date. That was okay.

Two in one day?

*raises one eyebrow*

612 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:43:54pm

re: #608 ploome hineni

ploomie, are "we" in the cooking sherry tonite? Because you are on a ROLL, BABY!

/

613 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:43:59pm

re: #604 Soona'

He felt that Obama and Nader are both proponents of the corrupt machine that is politics. The two party system is inherently unconstitutional he said. I told him I voted for McCain and he said that was like voting for Obama.

614 least  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:44:22pm

re: #570 UberInfidel67

How can most people even TRY to dispute the evidence? Are people really that fucking stupid? Arghhh


Reality doesn't fit into their thinking.

615 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:44:42pm
616 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:45:23pm

re: #613 Afrocity

He felt that Obama and Nader are both proponents of the corrupt machine that is politics. The two party system is inherently unconstitutional he said. I told him I voted for McCain and he said that was like voting for Obama.

Ouch. Headache.

617 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:45:29pm

re: #610 FrogMarch

That and the left are desperate - even willing to devastate our entire economy - to prove Reagan wrong.


[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

Very succinctly and correctly put.

618 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:46:09pm

re: #611 Racer X

I date on Mondays and Wednesdays. Friday dates are usually guys who are desperate so NEVER take a Friday date and Monday dates are great because usually if they go well you will get a Friday date...but that is okay because it will be your 2nd date.

619 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:46:15pm
620 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:46:17pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Hell, Obama could attend personally and vote for every crappy anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian resolution and it still won't make a difference. The last Durban conference accomplished absolutely nothing. This one won't either.

Maybe not ...but it would be nice if Obama would do something to show his real support of Israel ...if he has any ...so far he has done the bare minimum ...

621 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:46:28pm

re: #603 EmmmieG

,,, ,,, ,,,

I am so sorry. Three year-old got left in the room with the computer. Won't happen again.

622 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:47:04pm

re: #618 Afrocity

I date on Mondays and Wednesdays. Friday dates are usually guys who are desperate so NEVER take a Friday date and Monday dates are great because usually if they go well you will get a Friday date...but that is okay because it will be your 2nd date.

Dates. In the plural.

Sigh.

623 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:47:16pm

re: #595 Afrocity

I hate it when they talk about their ex on a date.

Bad, bad move. My father transferred all the old family movies to DVD, and we watched a few. My one former significant other (ex-fiancee) appeared for a few seconds in a few family gathering films. You could see my wife's eyes narrow. Note that this girl dumped me in 1985, married a Lebanese Christian minister, became a missionary, and had five kids! LOL.

624 Biff  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:47:20pm

Jack is on tonight to rest our government back from the Muslim controlled left wing extremist economic incompetents. Oh ... something about a two bit African dictator. Never mind.

625 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:47:25pm

The Left doesn't need Durban II

On Monday, Amnesty International, the world's premier "human rights" brand, called for the destruction of Israel.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

626 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:47:29pm

re: #621 EmmmieG

I am so sorry. Three year-old got left in the room with the computer. Won't happen again.

Comma-menting.

627 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:47:50pm

re: #621 EmmmieG

I am so sorry. Three year-old got left in the room with the computer. Won't happen again.

A likely story.
You obviously went into a coma back up there.

628 Luigi  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:48:25pm

More Obama hagiography from the Associated press. This one suitable for framing...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

629 Gus  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:48:25pm

Somehow I get the feeling that these products of the leftist academia never got the memo. You can't finance a socialist welfare state without a vibrant free market economy.

630 Biff  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:48:28pm

re: #537 UberInfidel67

Only if you believe the Bible.

631 CapeCoddah  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:49:00pm

re: #621 EmmmieG

I am so sorry. Three year-old got left in the room with the computer. Won't happen again.

LOL, makes more sense than the young earthers who slip in and post.

632 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:49:02pm

re: #615 ploome hineni

well she thought this was a place to pick up men, married and not

whoever

you know

LOL. Okay in case you haven't noticed I am African American. Ummm I think the chances of my finding a date on a Republican blog are about as likely as Sean Hannity giving a donation to Trinty Baptist Church.

633 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:49:14pm

re: #619 ploome hineni

not that I stay on thread...but maybe we can show her the lounge?

I can't keep up in there.

I can't keep up in here, actually.

634 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:49:50pm

re: #615 ploome hineni

well she thought this was a place to pick up men, married and not

whoever

you know

Is Bubbles/Amalie still around da joint?

635 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:49:56pm

re: #623 OldLineTexan

Bad, bad move. My father transferred all the old family movies to DVD, and we watched a few. My one former significant other (ex-fiancee) appeared for a few seconds in a few family gathering films. You could see my wife's eyes narrow. Note that this girl dumped me in 1985, married a Lebanese Christian minister, became a missionary, and had five kids! LOL.

I'm with your wife. I know exactly where she's coming from . . .

636 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:50:27pm

re: #621 EmmmieG

I am so sorry. Three year-old got left in the room with the computer. Won't happen again.

Oh, that is so funny!

637 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:50:30pm

re: #624 Biff

Jack is on tonight to rest our government back from the Muslim controlled left wing extremist economic incompetents. Oh ... something about a two bit African dictator. Never mind.

I can't wait for the episode where Jack tries to stop an evil plot to destroy everyone's wealth.

It seems that there is a new President and every time he opens his mouth - or his minions do- the stock market tanks.

How will Jack get his guy to keep his mouth shut?

638 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:50:37pm

re: #440 itellu3times

They are hoping the current F-22s (plus old aircraft) will do the job for the five years or so until the first UCAVs are operational. This is not exactly a secret, but apparently it's not aggressively discussed, either.

That seems to be a short timeline for deploying the UCAVs.

639 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:51:03pm

re: #630 Biff
I DO believe the history it espouses.

640 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:51:10pm

re: #622 goddessoftheclassroom

Dates. In the plural.

Sigh.

If I weren't so old, bald, and so damned MARRIED, lots of Lizard ladies would need some new Reeboks. ;)

/You ladies still like dimestore cowboys, right?
/

641 jjmckay1216  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:51:10pm

afrocity? talked about ex on date? wow. that is dumb

642 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:51:43pm
643 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:51:44pm
644 Sheepdogess  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:51:46pm

re: #536 Soona'

It wasn't Kissinger. It was someone I had never heard of.

645 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:52:01pm

re: #561 Afrocity

Back from my date. That was okay.

Wan't one of these guys was it?

/backing towards the exit

646 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:52:07pm

re: #621 EmmmieG

I am so sorry. Three year-old got left in the room with the computer. Won't happen again.

He/she downdinged me too!

/

647 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:52:09pm

"Rosner's Blog" on JPost rejects my comments but approves this Scheissmerde:

What is currently taking place in Gaza is a war crime. Locking these people down and then after they start using animal feed to grind to make bread and the rockets start flying use that as justification to go in and slaughter off unarmed women and children. Then take bulldozers and wipe out the chicken farms and orange groves of the Palestinians. These bloodthirsty animals make the Nazis look like good guys.

648 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:52:21pm
649 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:52:32pm

re: #641 jjmckay1216

afrocity? talked about ex on date? wow. that is dumb

His actual age seemed questionable, too.

650 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:52:44pm

re: #632 Afrocity

LOL. Okay in case you haven't noticed I am African American. Ummm I think the chances of my finding a date on a Republican blog are about as likely as Sean Hannity giving a donation to Trinty Baptist Church.

Which means what?

651 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:53:06pm

re: #642 NYCHardhat

Anger kills. I am sooo screwed.

I don't buy it. Why aren't all the seething Muslims all over the world dropping dead of strokes and heart attacks?

652 dentate  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:53:25pm

re: #632 Afrocity

LOL. Okay in case you haven't noticed I am African American. Ummm I think the chances of my finding a date on a Republican blog are about as likely as Sean Hannity giving a donation to Trinty Baptist Church.

Hmmm. Odd thing to say, and vaguely hurtful. Seems to me that quite a few guys have been flirting with you here the last few days.

653 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:53:29pm

re: #617 Soona'

Thanks. When I read the link, I thought - yep. That is exactly what they are doing.

654 CapeCoddah  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:53:33pm

re: #651 Alouette

I don't buy it. Why aren't all the seething Muslims all over the world dropping dead of strokes and heart attacks?

Don't forget liberals.

655 screaming_eagle  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:53:49pm

re: #646 OldLineTexan

He/she downdinged me too!

/

LMAO. You belived the kid comment eh?

/

656 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:53:51pm
657 Thor-Zone  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:53:55pm

Let me see if I have this right...Isreal is racist, Saudi is not racist.

My head is exploding

658 least  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:54:00pm

re: #630 Biff

Only if you believe the Bible.


and this answers UI67's question, how?

659 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:54:06pm

re: #651 Alouette
Because they cut each others heads off before a heart attack happens?

660 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:54:15pm

re: #615 ploome hineni

well she thought this was a place to pick up men, married and not

whoever

you know

Really? I thought she was a nice girl. Wasn't she a doctor (pediatrics)? Last I heard, she was in Colorado (I think).

661 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:54:26pm

good lord...we need a new thread...the Dating Game can stay here

662 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:54:38pm

re: #651 Alouette

I don't buy it. Why aren't all the seething Muslims all over the world dropping dead of strokes and heart attacks?

Low-fat diets? Lots of seething and exercise?

663 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:54:43pm

re: #648 ploome hineni

afrocity?

lol

/who knows what that poster really is

Posters are lizards, unless they are trolls or mobys, of course.

664 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:54:52pm

re: #643 ploome hineni

honey, to me you are little letters typed in a box

you could be Alan COlmes for all I know

there is no color on the internet

we see what you really are

Well there is color here.

(the brush stroker. interesting)

665 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:55:18pm

re: #632 Afrocity

LOL. Okay in case you haven't noticed I am African American. Ummm I think the chances of my finding a date on a Republican blog are about as likely as Sean Hannity giving a donation to Trinty Baptist Church.

Are you kidding? You're stunningly beautiful, and you should be beating the men off with a stick.

666 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:55:21pm

re: #655 screaming_eagle

LMAO. You belived the kid comment eh?

/

Note the sarc tag. I didn't fall off the watermelon truck from Hempstead yestiddy ya know. ;)

667 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:55:37pm

re: #595 Afrocity

Nah, there was something "damaged goods-ish" about him.

I hate it when they talk about their ex on a date.

He was an independent in terms of politics, he voted for Nader.

You know what sucks Afrocity? We live so far apart..I have 2 great friends here in Indy in their early 30's that are Afro-American..Very good friends..But they are total studs and have the nicest personality...I would trust my life with either of my buds here..
I wish you luck..But lay back..relax...Life is good...
I'll send you some pics..But you are going to be so pissed off...My one bud..we golf during the summer and he won the Amateur State Championship last year..Total fun guy and a stud that cannot find a woman that isn't whacked out...
kind regards..You'll do fine..

668 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:55:46pm

re: #595 Afrocity

I hate it when they talk about their ex on a date.

Rather inconsiderate of him. That's a verboten topic on a first date, and a 'to be avoided' one after that.

669 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:55:50pm

re: #665 Ward Cleaver

Please rephrase that.

;)

670 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:55:51pm

Don't look now, but Obama just pledged almost a Billion to rebuild Gaza.

In other words, he will send Hamas a $900 Million dollar check.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States plans to offer more than $900 million to help rebuild Gaza after Israel's invasion and to strengthen the Western-backed Palestinian Authority, U.S. officials said on Monday.

The money, which needs U.S. congressional approval, will be distributed through U.N. and other bodies and not via the militant group Hamas, which rules Gaza, said one official.

"This money is for Gaza and to help strengthen the Palestinian Authority. It is not going to go to Hamas," said the official, who asked not to be named as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton planned to announce the funding at a donors' conference in Egypt next week.



Distributing the money through the UN and NGOs is the same as sending it to Hamas.

I miss GWB.

I miss capitalism.

671 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:56:06pm
672 jjmckay1216  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:56:21pm

re: #632 Afrocity

LOL. Okay in case you haven't noticed I am African American. Ummm I think the chances of my finding a date on a Republican blog are about as likely as Sean Hannity giving a donation to Trinty Baptist Church.

girl. we are all americans

673 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:56:26pm

re: #669 OldLineTexan

Please rephrase that.

;)

She knows what I mean. In the old fashioned way.

674 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:56:55pm

re: #632 Afrocity

LOL. Okay in case you haven't noticed I am African American. Ummm I think the chances of my finding a date on a Republican blog are about as likely as Sean Hannity giving a donation to Trinty Baptist Church.

Ya' never know! ;)

675 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:56:57pm

re: #657 Thor-Zone

Let me see if I have this right...Isreal is racist, Saudi is not racist.

My head is exploding

Saudi can not be racist because woman is not a race, and Muslim is not a race (unless they want it to be in order to complain about racism, then it's a race, but not as far as Durban is concerned)

/my brain hurts

676 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:57:01pm
677 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:57:11pm

re: #603 EmmmieG

,,, ,,, ,,,

You're too possessive.

678 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:57:14pm

re: #670 karmic_inquisitor

Don't look now, but Obama just pledged almost a Billion to rebuild Gaza.

In other words, he will send Hamas a $900 Million dollar check.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]



Distributing the money through the UN and NGOs is the same as sending it to Hamas.

I miss GWB.

I miss capitalism.

I refuse...they can jail me...I simply refuse

679 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:57:23pm

I have extracted a confession from the nine year-old. (I realized the 3 year-old cannot find the post button.) I have fixed the down-dings.

I shall leave now to administer appropriate discipline. (I will not post under my mom's name. I will not post under my mom's name...)

680 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:57:41pm

re: #652 dentate

not meant to hurt, while I love the GOP it is not the party of racial diversity. I wish that were the case. And the guys here that flirt are married or live 3,000 miles away. I have met lots of nice people here but everyone is like a brother or sister.

681 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:57:55pm

re: #632 Afrocity

LOL. Okay in case you haven't noticed I am African American. Ummm I think the chances of my finding a date on a Republican blog are about as likely as Sean Hannity giving a donation to Trinty Baptist Church.

As an FYI, I am a white guy who dated an African American girl in high school. And my mother introduced us.

Ya never know ...

682 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:58:08pm

Another Obama with a halo picture.

683 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:58:25pm

re: #670 karmic_inquisitor

Don't look now, but Obama just pledged almost a Billion to rebuild Gaza.

In other words, he will send Hamas a $900 Million dollar check.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]



Distributing the money through the UN and NGOs is the same as sending it to Hamas.

I miss GWB.

I miss capitalism.

That'll buy a helluva lot of weapons.

684 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:58:31pm

re: #676 ploome hineni

does she know about the lounge?

don't know...this hysteria is sort of embarrassing tho

685 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:58:51pm

re: #671 ploome hineni

she told a lot of different stories, and a few nics

who knows what was true?

Sounds like my first wife.
/

686 theheat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:58:56pm

re: #344 calcajun

Other than being a mildly humorous, overly crude, Hollywood snot, out of touch with reality, I have no idea why Silverman isn't as supportive of Israel than - say - many atheists.

687 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:59:08pm

re: #682 Ringo the Gringo

Another Obama with a halo picture.

They just wait for a shot like that. Assholes.

688 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:59:09pm

re: #677 CyanSnowHawk

You're too possessive.

But punctual

689 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:59:18pm

re: #673 Ward Cleaver

OK, I'll just have to control my urges by myself. Thanks a lot!

///

690 least  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:59:30pm

re: #670 karmic_inquisitor

Don't look now, but Obama just pledged almost a Billion to rebuild Gaza . . . Distributing the money through the UN and NGOs is the same as sending it to Hamas.

I miss GWB.

I miss capitalism.


Haven't got your unicorn yet, huh?

691 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 4:59:55pm

re: #680 Afrocity

not meant to hurt, while I love the GOP it is not the party of racial diversity. I wish that were the case. And the guys here that flirt are married or live 3,000 miles away. I have met lots of nice people here but everyone is like a brother or sister.

You say the republican party is not the party of diversity ...that is the perception ...minorities have been brainwashed into a "victim" mentality and they believe only the "good democrats" will help them ...as a former democrat ...I can tell you that there is more acceptance on conservative blogs than I EVER saw on democrat/liberal blogs ...

692 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:00:18pm

re: #676 ploome hineni

does she know about the lounge?

Aw, he's just grouchy 'cuz there's no boobs or guns yet.

693 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:00:28pm

re: #640 OldLineTexan

If I weren't so old, bald, and so damned MARRIED, lots of Lizard ladies would need some new Reeboks. ;)

/You ladies still like dimestore cowboys, right?
/

You're a sweetie!

694 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:00:53pm

re: #687 Ward Cleaver

They just wait for a shot like that. Assholes.

Assholes wait for a shot like this.

695 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:01:14pm

re: #684 albusteve

don't know...this hysteria is sort of embarrassing tho

snicker...(loosens your tie) You guys are one in a million.

696 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:01:18pm

re: #691 JacksonTn
What is with all this talk about race? We elected The One...the Obamessiah! Unicorns are shitting out rainbows all across the skies. Get over it people. There is no more racism!

///

697 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:01:27pm
698 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:01:28pm

re: #692 OldLineTexan

Aw, he's just grouchy 'cuz there's no boobs or guns yet.

I need an Old Crow or two...maybe a cigar

699 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:01:47pm

re: #690 least

Haven't got your unicorn yet, huh?

If the Unicorn is in the form of a blunt horn that the government is shoving up my posterior, then I have gotten my Unicorn. Along with every other taxpayer and future taxpayer.

And that Unicorn keeps reminding me it is there.

700 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:02:17pm

re: #648 ploome hineni

afrocity?

lol

/who knows what that poster really is

I thought Bubbles/Amalie was of Hispanic origin and had some story about being a Dr. in size 4 dresses with spiked heels.

701 CapeCoddah  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:02:36pm

re: #694 Alouette

Assholes wait for a shot like this.

You KNOW that jeans ALWAYS make that creatures behind look huge!

702 pink freud  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:02:43pm

re: #664 Afrocity

Well there is color here.

(the brush stroker. interesting)

The color here is the one you've interjected since your very first post.

703 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:03:27pm

re: #682 Ringo the Gringo

Another Obama with a halo picture.

Creepy. Third Reichish. IMO.

704 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:03:29pm

re: #693 goddessoftheclassroom

You're a sweetie!

100% of the women I have been married to for the last twenty years think I'm an asshole. But I guess there are degrees ... besides, I have a soft spot for teachers. My mother taught 7th and 8th grade math.

705 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:03:39pm

re: #693 goddessoftheclassroom

You're a sweetie!

So yu' likes th' guys, huh?

706 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:03:41pm

re: #665 Ward Cleaver

Are you kidding? You're stunningly beautiful, and you should be beating the men off with a stick.

Nicely phrased Ward. Not really sure how that works with a stick though.

/

707 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:03:44pm

re: #691 JacksonTn

You say the republican party is not the party of diversity ...that is the perception ...minorities have been brainwashed into a "victim" mentality and they believe only the "good democrats" will help them ...as a former democrat ...I can tell you that there is more acceptance on conservative blogs than I EVER saw on democrat/liberal blogs ...

True. I don't know how to bring more minorities to the GOP. I think it will take good men like Michael Steele to set an example. It goes both way and I have not really seen the black GOP reach out to black communities.

708 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:03:52pm

re: #698 albusteve

I need an Old Crow or two...maybe a cigar

Now we are talking, bro.

709 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:03:57pm

re: #680 Afrocity

while I love the GOP it is not the party of racial diversity. I wish that were the case.

You need to pay a little more attention to the GOP than what you hear on the MFMSM or NPR. Listen to Rush Limbaugh for two or three months.

710 jorline  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:04:21pm

U.S. plans "substantial" pledge at Gaza meeting

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States plans to offer more than $900 million to help rebuild Gaza after Israel's invasion and to strengthen the Western-backed Palestinian Authority, U.S. officials said on Monday.

The money, which needs U.S. congressional approval, will be distributed through U.N. and other bodies and not via the militant group Hamas, which rules Gaza, said one official.

Not just no, but HELL NO! The UN and Palestinian's will not get one penny from me...they voted for Hamas, we're not providing any money.

This administration gives out money like it's candy on Halloween.

Hey Nancy, add another billion on the tax payers tab!

711 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:05:02pm
712 UberInfidel67  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:05:19pm

This is for all of you who haven't gotten their unicorns NSFW:

Image: Fuckmetshirt.jpg

713 Luigi  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:05:47pm

re: #32 Gus 802

===
Impeach Obama
===

714 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:05:47pm

re: #695 Afrocity

snicker...(loosens your tie) You guys are one in a million.

GASP!
*blows whistle*
enter stage left: thundering horde of morality police

/ ... :D ... teasing

715 Thor-Zone  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:05:49pm

re: #620 JacksonTn

...it would be nice if Obama would do something to show his real support of Israel ...if he has any ...so far he has done the bare minimum ...

He IS showing his support for Israel. Basically, he has nothing to give.

716 CharlieBravo  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:06:12pm

And - on another note - well, maybe the same note - Drudge has this: The United States plans to offer more than $900 million to help rebuild Gaza.

717 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:06:22pm

re: #705 pre-Boomer Marine brat

So yu' likes th' guys, huh?

LOL!

Better than this one...

718 Aviator  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:06:31pm

re: #700 rightymouse

I thought Bubbles/Amalie was of Hispanic origin and had some story about being a Dr. in size 4 dresses with spiked heels.

You never know on the internet.

719 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:06:55pm

A stimulus for terrorists.

'U.S. plans to pledge $900 million for Gaza'

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

720 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:07:18pm

re: #707 Afrocity

True. I don't know how to bring more minorities to the GOP. I think it will take good men like Michael Steele to set an example. It goes both way and I have not really seen the black GOP reach out to black communities.

Reach out ...if reaching out means more entitlement programs than I doubt that will happen ...I have worked and sweat beside people of every color ...a days work is an honest day ...when people accept responsibility for their own lives that is when we are equal ...democrats want to keep blacks and other minorities down ...that creates their base ...they say they want to pull them up but YOU CANNOT PULL SOMEONE UP WITH AN ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM ...

721 sabradom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:07:25pm

re: #550 CapeCoddah

I am by no means saying this is acceptable. This is my search for the silver lining. I also think that this is a possible outcome. Kind of like making the argument that pearl harbor, as tragic as it was, averted more American deaths because it jarred us into action. This is the silver lining of when spineless or indifferent people allow tragedies to occur - people wake up and take a stand.

722 least  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:07:31pm

re: #699 karmic_inquisitor

eeewww! :)

723 Sheepdogess  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:07:36pm
ISRAEL'S PECULIAR POSITION

By Eric Hoffer (LA Times 5/26/68)

The Jews are a peculiar people: things permitted to other nations areforbidden to the Jews.

Other nations drive out thousands, even millions of people and there is norefugee problem. Russian did it, Poland and Czechoslovakia did it, Turkey threw out a million Greeks, and Algeria a million Frenchman. Indonesia threw out heaven knows how many Chinese-and no one says a word about refugees. But in the case of Israel the displaced Arabs have become eternal refugees.

Everyone insists that Israel must take back every single Arab. Arnold Toynbee calls the displacement of the Arabs an atrocity greater than any committed by the Nazis.

Other nations when victorious on the battlefield dictate peace terms. But when Israel is victorious it must sue for peace. Everyone expects the Jewsto be the only real Christians in this world.

Other nations when they are defeated survive and recover but should Israelbe defeated it would be destroyed. Had Nasser triumphed last June he would have wiped Israel off the map, and no one would have lifted a finger to save the Jews.

No commitment to the Jews by any government, including our own, is worth the paper it is written on. There is a cry of outrage all over the world when people die in Vietnam or when two Negroes are executed in Rhodesia. But when Hitler slaughtered Jews no one remonstrated with him.

The Swedes, who are ready to break of diplomatic relations with America because of what we do in Vietnam, did not let out a peep when Hitler was slaughtering Jews. They sent Hitler choice iron ore, and ball bearings, and serviced his troop trains to Norway.

The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts. And Jewish resources. Yet at this moment Israel is our only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more on Israel than Israel can rely on us. And one has only to imagine what would have happened last summer had the Arabs and their Russian backers won the war to realize how vital the survival of Israel is toAmerica and the West in general.

I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us. Should Israel perish the holocaust will be upon us.


[Link: www.netanyahu.org...]

724 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:07:37pm

re: #709 Soona'

You need to pay a little more attention to the GOP than what you hear on the MFMSM or NPR. Listen to Rush Limbaugh for two or three months.

Soona, I don't listen to either of those stations and actually I listen to Rush everyday. There is a difference in what the GOP perceives and what blacks perceive. I has this very same talk with Laura Bush in 1995. I was in college and we were talking about race and politics. She was very interested in why more blacks were not in the GOP.

725 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:07:43pm
726 TheMatrix31  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:07:47pm

I say we just give Jimmy Carter the money in order to make sure that it gets to Palestine and NOT Hamas.

/

727 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:08:16pm

re: #719 Opinionated

A stimulus for terrorists.

'U.S. plans to pledge $900 million for Gaza'

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

A stimulus for the restofus?

728 Caliredst8r  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:09:16pm

My wife just informed me that in Russia they are calling Obama "Baran Obmanov" which means lying (as in liar) sheep.

729 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:09:26pm
730 CapeCoddah  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:09:28pm

re: #718 Aviator

You never know on the internet.

Yipes! Aren't we supposed to put warnings on pics like that! Damn, she needs chains to hold that on. I thought I was fat. I guess not.

731 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:09:39pm
732 jorline  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:09:51pm

re: #719 Opinionated

A stimulus for terrorists.

'U.S. plans to pledge $900 million for Gaza'

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

See my #710 Opinionated.

I'll feed the Rooster...that's it!

733 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:09:58pm

re: #714 pre-Boomer Marine brat

GASP!
*blows whistle*
enter stage left: thundering horde of morality police

/ ... :D ... teasing

When they say "What's in your wallet", they ain't talkin' about credit cards.

734 pink freud  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:10:07pm

re: #729 ploome hineni

and is that her picture?

with no visable clothing

what kind of site did she think this was?

gak

My thoughts also.

735 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:10:09pm

re: #710 jorline

U.S. plans "substantial" pledge at Gaza meeting

Not just no, but HELL NO! The UN and Palestinian's will not get one penny from me...they voted for Hamas, we're not providing any money.

This administration gives out money like it's candy on Halloween.

Hey Nancy, add another billion on the tax payers tab!

BTW - Nancy is working right now on an Omnibus Spending Bill for another $410 Billion. It has over 9,000 earmarks in it (you know - the earmarks that Obama was going to do away with).

[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

So don't expect the economic crisis to end anytime soon. The Democrats have learned that the more they work to destroy the economy and undermine confidence the more money they get to spend.

I think it will take massive street protests for them to stop the spending binge and actually look at the economy.

736 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:10:25pm

re: #717 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!

Better than this one...

LOL!
That feline will be another Ceiling Cat in a couple of hours
... ... ... "Let there be light"

737 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:10:36pm

22:30 Republican Jewish Coalition blasts U.S. involvement in Durban II planning (Haaretz)

About time!

738 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:10:37pm

re: #720 JacksonTn

Reach out ...if reaching out means more entitlement programs than I doubt that will happen ...I have worked and sweat beside people of every color ...a days work is an honest day ...when people accept responsibility for their own lives that is when we are equal ...democrats want to keep blacks and other minorities down ...that creates their base ...they say they want to pull them up but YOU CANNOT PULL SOMEONE UP WITH AN ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM ...

Exactly, I don't mean a program. Maybe a public relations Outreach program. How many blacks know that MLK was a Republican. Show them their politica roots. Also all blacks do not need "help" and that it not the majority of blacks that I am speaking of. I am educated two masters degrees, Ivy education. There are many like me that contribute to society.

739 theheat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:10:56pm

re: #710 jorline

Not just no, but HELL NO! The UN and Palestinian's will not get one penny from me...they voted for Hamas, we're not providing any money.

Our previous administration, that being Bush's, pledged millions upon millions (up to $86 million, depending on the source) of dollars to Abbas and his Fatah minions. Naturally, nobody ever really knows where that aid money goes, or who gets it.

So, we're already paying. This would fall under the heading of paying more.

740 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:11:19pm
741 BlueCanuck  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:11:36pm

re: #707 Afrocity

True. I don't know how to bring more minorities to the GOP. I think it will take good men like Michael Steele to set an example. It goes both way and I have not really seen the black GOP reach out to black communities.

Ever hear of this guy?

742 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:11:41pm

re: #713 Luigi

This is getting old. Unlike Benjamin Button/

743 Aviator  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:12:18pm

re: #740 Iron Fist

Yeah, after that I need to take my brain out and soak it in some Everclear.

Nah, just soak it in place with Everclear.

744 notutopia  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:12:19pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup

Because they can't afford to many of the news ones. I know they have inquired about the F-35. I don't believe we are exporting the F-22 anyway and it's to expensive for Israel I think.


The Israeli F-35's delivery are postponed till after the 2014 date.
Did you see this last week?
US refusing to let Israeli systems into F-35
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

745 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:12:41pm

re: #718 Aviator

You never know on the internet.

New keyboard time.

746 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:13:24pm

re: #699 karmic_inquisitor

If the Unicorn is in the form of a blunt horn that the government is shoving up my posterior, then I have gotten my Unicorn. Along with every other taxpayer and future taxpayer.

And that Unicorn keeps reminding me it is there.

Wait a minute. You mean unicorn horns don't look like this? (Sort of NSFW)

747 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:13:24pm

re: #718 Aviator

You never know on the internet.

um, nice bikini/ Why bother?

748 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:13:28pm

re: #745 rightymouse

New keyboard time.

Brain bleach time.

749 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:13:47pm
750 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:14:00pm

re: #707 Afrocity

True. I don't know how to bring more minorities to the GOP. I think it will take good men like Michael Steele to set an example. It goes both way and I have not really seen the black GOP reach out to black communities.

The Republican party is not know as the "stupid party" for nothing. A lot of talk about being inclusive. Zero action, that would require vision and hard work. I see a bunch of guys rolling with the tide, smiling for the cameras, and feathering their nest. Same as it ever was.

751 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:14:15pm

re: #732 jorline

Just remember to not check the box on you tax return asking if you want $3 to go to genocidal Islamic terrorists.

752 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:14:33pm

re: #736 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!
That feline will be another Ceiling Cat in a couple of hours
... ... ... "Let there be light"

We need a new religion.

In the beginning was the Ceiling Cat...

753 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:14:39pm
754 jorline  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:15:10pm

re: #735 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - Nancy is working right now on an Omnibus Spending Bill for another $410 Billion. It has over 9,000 earmarks in it (you know - the earmarks that Obama was going to do away with).

[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

So don't expect the economic crisis to end anytime soon. The Democrats have learned that the more they work to destroy the economy and undermine confidence the more money they get to spend.

I think it will take massive street protests for them to stop the spending binge and actually look at the economy.

Fuck the lot of them...I'm so pissed I could spit!

I work my ass off seven day a week with my business and these assholes sit around and think about what terrorist group they want to fund next. The Palestinians will have new missile launchers by the end of next month.

It's my money and I want this shit to end!

755 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:15:20pm

re: #752 jcm

We need a new religion.

In the beginning was the Ceiling Cat...

Y'mean Goddess hasn't gotten to you yet?

756 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:15:40pm

re: #744 notutopia

The Israeli F-35's delivery are postponed till after the 2014 date.
Did you see this last week?
US refusing to let Israeli systems into F-35
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

I hope they can work things out along the way. They usually do.

757 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:16:21pm

re: #747 midwestgak

um, nice bikini/ Why bother?


Nice bikini? How can you tell?

758 jorline  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:16:55pm

re: #739 theheat

Our previous administration, that being Bush's, pledged millions upon millions (up to $86 million, depending on the source) of dollars to Abbas and his Fatah minions. Naturally, nobody ever really knows where that aid money goes, or who gets it.

So, we're already paying. This would fall under the heading of paying more.

Screw them all...Bush had his head up his ass at that time also.

759 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:17:16pm

re: #738 Afrocity

Exactly, I don't mean a program. Maybe a public relations Outreach program. How many blacks know that MLK was a Republican. Show them their politica roots. Also all blacks do not need "help" and that it not the majority of blacks that I am speaking of. I am educated two masters degrees, Ivy education. There are many like me that contribute to society.

If you are thinking I am saying blacks are lazy you would be WRONG ...if blacks don't know MLK was a republican ...then maybe people like ACORN are not really "educating" their members in politics ...maybe they are just "educating" them in what they want them to believe ...maybe our educational system is not telling students the truth about MLK ...VICTIM mentality is what the democrats thrive on ...I am sure you are more book educated than I ...no doubt ...but book education is not all that there is to life ...all children are not college material ...there are many jobs available for trade skills ...there is nothing wrong with being a plumber or in my case a farmer ...

Was it MTV and cribs that makes children think they have to have all material things to be successful ...I am very successful if you determine success by money ...but I never been afraid to get my hands dirty ...

Maybe if ACORN spent more time trying to get their members into trades instead of hijacking homes that are not paid for ...their members would not need to be bailed out from "cribs" they could not afford ...

I have been called racist during the whole campaign so I really am not worried about it now ...

760 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:17:53pm

re: #750 The Shadow Do

But that goes both ways. Blacks have to also empower themselves and open their minds to something other than the DNC, rather than being monolithic sheep. The same goes for women. Identity politics is bad for the parties and the people. I would like to see a conversation about this in a panel format. Not a debate but maybe Michael Steele and other prominent black republicans somehow having a forum to speak to Black Americans.

761 midwestgak  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:18:00pm

re: #757 rightymouse

Nice bikini? How can you tell?

Okay, nice swatches of cloth./

762 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:18:23pm

re: #724 Afrocity

Soona, I don't listen to either of those stations and actually I listen to Rush everyday. There is a difference in what the GOP perceives and what blacks perceive. I has this very same talk with Laura Bush in 1995. I was in college and we were talking about race and politics. She was very interested in why more blacks were not in the GOP.

I've never heard Rush on the Radio..people swear by him..whatever..
Rush got a job doing NFL pregame about 4-5years ago..It was purely a ratings ploy..In the few weeks he lasted before he got fired.I hated his opinions and thought he came across as an ill-informed analysis..
and a few other things that are not fair to bring up in a public blog...
But I don't like Rush...He maybe great in politics..I really don't know..So I don't judge him..But sports? LOL

763 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:18:33pm

Gaza is shovel-ready.

764 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:20:58pm
765 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:21:11pm

re: #725 ploome hineni

and she dated a black football player, and she kept horses

/don;t ask about a connection there

I DON'T KNOW

and who knows what was true


And when a horse kicked her and broke a rib she didn't seem to know what to do about that, IIRC.

Hmmm...welp...one never knows.

/I stop now.

766 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:21:35pm

re: #755 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Y'mean Goddess hasn't gotten to you yet?

I'm still a commited turtlist. We need a religion to discriminate against. What would be better than a the catists?

767 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:21:42pm

re: #761 midwestgak

Okay, nice swatches of cloth./


lol!

768 kansas  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:21:52pm

re: #763 itellu3times

Gaza is shovel-ready.

So is a pile of shit...but I repeat myself.

769 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:22:59pm

re: #752 jcm

We need a new religion.

In the beginning was the Ceiling Cat...

They're ahead of you...

770 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:23:20pm

re: #759 JacksonTn

I did not think you were saying blacks are lazy. they are lazy people in every race. I was just pointing out that a good part of the AA base in the DNC are made up of people that would likely embrace conservative values perhaps fiscally if not socially.

I think it is up to an individual to educate themselves beyond the classroom. You are correct, the truth about MLK or slavery is not told-- not fully and what a text book renders is a sanitized version of an often liberal narrative. They are not told that Africans sold Africans into slavery and so on.

771 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:23:51pm

re: #757 rightymouse

Nice bikini? How can you tell?

Because it covers nothing atoll.

772 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:24:43pm

re: #771 OldLineTexan

Because it covers nothing atoll.

**groan**

773 notutopia  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:26:18pm

re: #629 Gus 802

Somehow I get the feeling that these products of the leftist academia never got the memo. You can't finance a socialist welfare state without a vibrant free market economy.

But, they're financing it with our money anyway Gus.

774 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:26:27pm

re: #760 Afrocity

But that goes both ways. Blacks have to also empower themselves and open their minds to something other than the DNC, rather than being monolithic sheep. The same goes for women. Identity politics is bad for the parties and the people. I would like to see a conversation about this in a panel format. Not a debate but maybe Michael Steele and other prominent black republicans somehow having a forum to speak to Black Americans.

I think a lot of us pigment impaired conservatives would appreciate that as well. I hope it happens.

775 Soona'  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:26:44pm

re: #724 Afrocity

Soona, I don't listen to either of those stations and actually I listen to Rush everyday. There is a difference in what the GOP perceives and what blacks perceive. I has this very same talk with Laura Bush in 1995. I was in college and we were talking about race and politics. She was very interested in why more blacks were not in the GOP.

What bothers me about diversity is it's singling out of groups of people for political purposes. When I think diversity, I truly think of the American "melting pot" that labels every cititzen of this country as an American first. We've been so inundated by the appartheid policies of the left, seperating rather than uniting, that a mentality has set in which says we must always look for the differences rather than what we all have in common. Most conservatives don't look at race, creed, color, national origin because most feel we're all Americans anyway, so let's quit talking about how we should be not getting along and go about our daily lives enjoying our freedoms, and working to fulfill our dreams.

776 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:26:44pm

re: #772 rightymouse

**groan**

Give that nine year old kid a quarter to downding me!

/

777 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:27:24pm

re: #764 Iron Fist

I wouldn't exactly call it zero action. George Bush put more African Americans in higher positions of power than any other Administration in History. So of course the people who he appointed are all "Uncle Toms" while Bush himself clearly hates black people. After all, he conjured Hurricain Katrina up from the depths of hell to destroy black people in New Orleans. He even arranged for NO to have one of the most incompetant Mayors of any city in the Union, well, about ever. And that governor he made the people of Louisana vote into office. That proves Bush hates black people.

He's probably burned more crosses on people's lawns than Robert C. Byrd, and that is saying something.

Iron First, very accurate analysis. Colin, Condi, Clarence were all branded as sell outs. Bush was the first to give African Americans such high positions and did more for Africa than any other president. Somehow there was a disconnect between his message of change in this regard and what the blacks were seeing. These individuals should have receievd accolades no matter what their party affiliation was.

778 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:27:42pm

re: #769 goddessoftheclassroom

They're ahead of you...

ROFL!

779 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:28:15pm

re: #29 Pvt Bin Jammin

I just have to say it one more time: "F*ck you Los Angeles Times for not releasing that video."

I feel the same way Jammin ...but I swear with the voters who were and are IN LOVE with Obama ...I am not sure it would have even mattered ...SAD ...

780 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:29:03pm

re: #766 jcm

I'm still a commited turtlist. We need a religion to discriminate against. What would be better than a the catists?

LO!
My kind of turtle!

781 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:29:05pm

re: #776 OldLineTexan

Give that nine year old kid a quarter to downding me!

/


What 9 year old kid?

782 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:29:48pm

re: #776 OldLineTexan

Give that nine year old kid a quarter to downding me!

/

You'd have to come up with a joke 10 times worse than that for me to down ding you...
Now Spacejesus..He could come up with the theory of everything and knock Hawkings out the Nobel..And I'd still down ding him..

783 albusteve  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:30:27pm

re: #754 jorline

Fuck the lot of them...I'm so pissed I could spit!

I work my ass off seven day a week with my business and these assholes sit around and think about what terrorist group they want to fund next. The Palestinians will have new missile launchers by the end of next month.

It's my money and I want this shit to end!

take a stand...refuse to pony up...that's what I do

784 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:30:39pm
785 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:30:43pm

re: #781 rightymouse

What 9 year old kid?

EmmmieG's upthread. ;)

786 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:31:13pm

I'm out for the evening
Good night all!

787 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:31:19pm

re: #784 goddessoftheclassroom

This is one of the best on that theme...

Now that is pretty close to priceless.

788 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:31:38pm

Geert on O'Reilly.

789 Pupdawg  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:31:50pm

Sometimes 'the obvious' is, well, too obvious.

Iran should forget all the cloak and dagger stuff with their nuclear weapons program and simply ask their pal Obama for a few nukes. Then they can get on with wiping Israel from the face of the earth with more material US assistance...for free!

790 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:32:08pm

re: #764 Iron Fist

I hear you. Problem is that the party has not made even the most feeble attempt either promote itself nor educate an audience. Did they think that the appointments alone would somehow break the chains of perception? If so, they were and remain stupid. Bush performed admirably in this area but no one really knows or cares.

Stupid.

791 CapeCoddah  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:32:18pm

re: #751 Opinionated

Just remember to not check the box on you tax return asking if you want $3 to go to genocidal Islamic terrorists.

Does anyone check that box? I never have. Especially not now.

792 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:32:30pm

re: #775 Soona'

What bothers me about diversity is it's singling out of groups of people for political purposes. When I think diversity, I truly think of the American "melting pot" that labels every cititzen of this country as an American first. We've been so inundated by the appartheid policies of the left, seperating rather than uniting, that a mentality has set in which says we must always look for the differences rather than what we all have in common. Most conservatives don't look at race, creed, color, national origin because most feel we're all Americans anyway, so let's quit talking about how we should be not getting along and go about our daily lives enjoying our freedoms, and working to fulfill our dreams.

I think that Sarah Palin was a "diverse" candidate in terms of her background. She was not the IVY status quo that Biden and Obama were. But what did people see, Obama ...wow the first AA president.

I see your reasoning totally and I have said that racism will be gone when we don't have to say "there is a black, or Indian or woman" running for office.

However race matters to African Americans and if the GOP wants to be inclusive, i feel there should be a conversation about why the GOP would be good for minorities. I asked my mom at 7 yoa why were all black democrats. It seemed strange to me as a child that we would all think alike just because of our color.

793 jcm  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:32:45pm

re: #784 goddessoftheclassroom

This is one of the best on that theme...

LOL! Have you been pawed?

Do you believe in a Cateator?

794 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:32:48pm

re: #782 HoosierHoops

That boy ain't right.

I stood him on his pointy head one night ... clueless said he didn't denigrate anyone's religion ... went right over his noggin.

795 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:32:52pm

re: #785 OldLineTexan

EmmmieG's upthread. ;)

Ohhh...

796 rightymouse  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:34:05pm

Time to venture into the cavern and watch a bit of telly with my testosterone units. Later!

797 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:34:37pm

OOOPS, Geert's back on the "halt immigration of Muslims" bandwagon.

798 hazzyday  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:36:29pm

re: #213 NYCHardhat

He is kinda doom and gloom isn't he?

End Times thought lines are a form of vanity. Very self absorbed. These are people who are unwilling to invest in a future which they are not part of. It's as close to a cult as you can get and not be in one. They like to time the world's end to time when they have lived most of their lives. Genesis literalist's are essentially perturbed because history has made them look stupid. They've been conned and left holding a bag with nothing in it.

799 dkorta  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:36:46pm

re: #602 CapeCoddah

For the first time in the history of this nation, it's citizens need to live in fear for their lives, because of direct action taken by the president who swore on a bible to protect us.

Didn't you notice he had his fingers crossed during that swearing-in ceremony? Besides, they were just words, and words coming out of Dear Leader's mouth mean exactly what he wants them to mean. No more and no less.

800 Natasha  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:40:32pm

re: #728 Caliredst8r

My wife just informed me that in Russia they are calling Obama "Baran Obmanov" which means lying (as in liar) sheep.

Oh my! I love it. However, allow me a minor correction. The word "baran" translates as "ram" (the animal, not the tool to breach doors) and is used as a name to call a very dumb, obtuse individual. So, Dumbass Liar is more accurate.

801 descolada9  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:41:08pm

I'd say that Obama and his crew disgust me, but I've said that quite a few times already.

802 pingjockey  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:41:33pm

You know what I hate about getting home late? Missed Geert Wilders on O'Reilly. Did Wilders have a chance to get a word in?

803 OldLineTexan  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:43:30pm

re: #802 pingjockey

You know what I hate about getting home late? Missed Geert Wilders on O'Reilly. Did Wilders have a chance to get a word in?

Oddly enough, yes. But no mention that I caught of his possible or real ties to neoNazi groups.

804 ryannon  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:43:35pm

re: #521 Ojoe

Excellent striped sunlight on the Towercam.


I just love it, ojoe!

Thanks for doing it : -)

805 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:49:16pm

re: #761 midwestgak

Okay, nice swatches of cloth./

Those are queen-size sheets.

806 Throbert McGee  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:49:27pm

re: #632 Afrocity

LOL. Okay in case you haven't noticed I am African American. Ummm I think the chances of my finding a date on a Republican blog are about as likely as Sean Hannity giving a donation to Trinity Baptist Church.

Heh. Afrocity thinks the pickings are slim for her --I'm definitely not here for the dates!

807 caligal  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 5:58:09pm

I am so glad that you follow all this and spotlight what is going on behind the scenes. I would have missed this. thank you!

808 mirage  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:07:13pm

re: #766 jcm

I'm still a commited turtlist. We need a religion to discriminate against. What would be better than a the catists?

Ok, that turtle is awesome. There's something to be said for body armor. :)

809 Throbert McGee  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:07:56pm

re: #728 Caliredst8r

My wife just informed me that in Russia they are calling Obama "Baran Obmanov" which means lying (as in liar) sheep.

The root obman- is more specific than just "liar"; it implies "trickery" or "swindler" -- thus it fits perfectly.

But I think your wife must've "cleaned it up" a bit for you -- since BHO's middle name suggests such an obvious dirty joke in Russian that I can't believe they would've missed the opportunity to make it: The first syllable of Hussein sounds like the Russian word for "cock; dick; prick," which is huy.

So I imagine they're actually calling him Baran Huyssein Obmanov, and thus turning each name into an insult.

810 avanti  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:41:11pm

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

The big question is whether the US will sign the declaration or not.

According to this update, if the language is unchanged, the US wll boycott the April meeting again.

link

811 Biff  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:54:20pm

re: #639 UberInfidel67

re: #630 Biff
I DO believe the history it espouses.

That's was my point.

812 tradewind  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:49:41pm

This is unsurprising, given Obama's ' I was for it until I was against it' position on Jerusalem . Addressing AIPAC, he was all for the city remaining as it is... the next day, after Pal protest, he took it back.
He has no clue how to govern, only how to campaign... and that's not going to work for him much longer.

813 Throbert McGee  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:51:03pm

re: #275 Occasional Reader

I'm so relieved that we'll have cutting-edge Turkish technology in that plane.

The F-35 will have the world's most sophisticated hot-towelette-dispenser -- capable of dispensing over 3,000 refreshing, steaming-hot, rosewater-scented terrycloth hand towels per minute!

Plus, of course, a little beadwork Maşallah amulet to hang from the plane's rearview mirror.

/Turkey in-jokes

814 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:56:31pm

Which fighter was it that Boyd helped design?

815 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:02:43pm

re: #804 ryannon

The Towercam is my default browser opening page. I keep an eye on it for the Lizards.

Good Night All.

816 uptight  Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:35:21pm

Unable to fight convention battles in conventional ways the Palestinians resort to two main tactics 1) terrorism and 2) mobilising the huge international army of well-meaning idiots.

The latter is achieved through careful propaganda that brands themselves victims of quasi-American state of Israel.

They saw the success that international pressure brought upon South Africa, and so their main strategy in demonising Israel is to brand Israel an "apartheid state". The term appears in nearly every broadcast made by a Palestinian spokesan or one of their Western apologists.

"Apartheid State" is more ubiquitous in Palestinian propaganda than "Hope & Change" were in Obamas campaign.

They have a point too. Israel IS an apartheid state - in all, but the following areas:

1. Israel is governed by indiginous people
2. Israel has a democracy that is open to full participation by all races & religions
3. Israel has no racial segregation
4. Israel has full freedom of speech
5. Israel has full freedom of religion
6. Israel has a free press where one can freely criticise the government
7. Israel allows multiracial marriage
8. Gay rights are respected in Israel
9. Israel has no death penalty
10. Israel gives full autonomy to people that want to attack Israel in the disputed territories.

Aside from those key defining areas of apartheid, Israel is exactly an apartheid state.

It must be because it has a big wall. Other countries don't have big walls at borders or to protect citizens from elements that want to kill them.

Israel only offered the Palestinians 99% of what they wanted at Oslo

So next time you question someone branding Israel and apartheid state - remember that big wall and the 1% that Israel didn't concede on.


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