Version 2 of Amazon’s excellent E-Book reader is now shipping: Kindle 2: Amazon’s New Wireless Reading Device (Latest Generation).
Mine is on the way. Yes, I couldn’t resist. I’ll post a review when it gets here.
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noshariaincanada Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:50:22pm |
if i buy one, i won't read "Guilty" on it
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:54:13pm |
I am still trying to decide if I will buy it. As a rare books person I am somewhat boycott-ish about it but it is tempting. I just don't know if I can justify spending the money when we are in a recession.
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Gramfan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:55:10pm |
Does it work internationally? Or is it area - specific?
Anyone?
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agom11 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:55:11pm |
Do you like using that instead of reading a book?
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:56:00pm |
re: #4 Afrocity
I am still trying to decide if I will buy it. As a rare books person I am somewhat boycott-ish about it but it is tempting. I just don't know if I can justify spending the money when we are in a recession.
I wonder if there will ever be a market for "rare" ebooks.
You know - ebooks no one ever downloaded.
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:58:32pm |
re: #8 karmic_inquisitor
I wonder if there will ever be a market for "rare" ebooks.
You know - ebooks no one ever downloaded.
I just want people to still enjoy the pleasure of turning the page, using a bookmark. There is something intimate about it.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:58:51pm |
re: #4 Afrocity
I am still trying to decide if I will buy it. As a rare books person I am somewhat boycott-ish about it but it is tempting. I just don't know if I can justify spending the money when we are in a recession.
Can you afford it? Do you want it? Is there something you want more?
These are the only questions that matter!
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Cato the Elder Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:58:53pm |
Hmm... I see the "American Tea Party" (pass the scones!) is advertising heavily on PJTV (it's in the sidebar here on LGF as I write) - or is the ATP sponsored by Pajamas?
"America is on the brink of another revolution..." - with Joe the Plumber among the leaders.
C'est à mourir de rire. That's French for LOL, more or less.
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:59:22pm |
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 6:59:46pm |
re: #8 karmic_inquisitor
That's a really interesting question.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:00:20pm |
re: #12 Cato the Elder
I think it was started by Malkin, Reynolds and the Plumber.
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nekama Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:00:55pm |
I ordered mine -partially on the strength of Charles' recommendation - on New Year's day and got an email yesterday saying it's on the way. Along the way they upgraded to Version 2.
I read a lot of blogs and am not that keen on paying $2 a month to read on a Kindle what I can read for free on my laptop. But I'm willing to give it a try.
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SteveC Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:00:59pm |
re: #6 Gramfan
Does it work internationally? Or is it area - specific?
Anyone?
I don't think K1 works internationally.
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:01:00pm |
re: #11 Dianna
Can you afford it? Do you want it? Is there something you want more?
These are the only questions that matter!
I can afford it. I grew up with nothing. It is still hard for me to be kind to myself. I only got an iPod last year. I am always the last to get something. When I was a kid we still had B&W TV when everyone had color.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:01:23pm |
I’ll post a review when it gets here.
Good...I made the mistake and let my wife use mine - hooked, I'm afraid.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:01:26pm |
BTW - on a completely unrelated topic.
Behold. I can now prove that all empty nesters are senile.
Follow me.
1) In the last hour I endured a variety of emotional outbursts originating from offspring ranging from 15 years old to 4 years old.
2) My mother just told me something that many empty nesters have told me: "When you are an empty nester, you will miss it."
3) For the assertion in step 2 to be true, all empty nesters must be senile.
Q.E.D.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:01:27pm |
re: #10 Afrocity
I just want people to still enjoy the pleasure of turning the page, using a bookmark. There is something intimate about it.
I don't think anything will ever change that pleasure. For me, anyway. But the thought of being able to just download the latest commute reading does appeal. Especially if it's cheaper, and I don't have to schedule a trip to the used book store to sell back my commute reading.
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:01:33pm |
re: #8 karmic_inquisitor
I wonder if there will ever be a market for "rare" ebooks.
You know - ebooks no one ever downloaded.
Hmm...well, if it were paper, I'd say "no chance in hell" because everything is of interest to someone.
But would that someone have the disposable income to buy an ebook reader? I dunno.
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YY Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:02:25pm |
Pretty nifty.
With the Earth rapidly going to hell in a hand basket, perhaps we should consider moving to Mars?
Or perhaps arranging a flight for some of our peers?
Just a thought.
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davinvalkri Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:02:37pm |
re: #20 karmic_inquisitor
BTW - on a completely unrelated topic.
Behold. I can now prove that all empty nesters are senile.
Follow me.
1) In the last hour I endured a variety of emotional outbursts originating from offspring ranging from 15 years old to 4 years old.
2) My mother just told me something that many empty nesters have told me: "When you are an empty nester, you will miss it."
3) For the assertion in step 2 to be true, all empty nesters must be senile.
Q.E.D.
That's either circular logic or begging the question...possibly both?
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:03:13pm |
re: #18 Afrocity
I can afford it. I grew up with nothing. It is still hard for me to be kind to myself. I only got an iPod last year. I am always the last to get something. When I was a kid we still had B&W TV when everyone had color.
I understand. The very thought of spam (the mystery meat) still makes me shudder in retrospect. But...well, it's reading material. I can always find a way to justify reading material.
Even when it means missing dinner.
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SteveC Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:03:29pm |
re: #21 Dianna
I don't think anything will ever change that pleasure. For me, anyway. But the thought of being able to just download the latest commute reading does appeal. Especially if it's cheaper, and I don't have to schedule a trip to the used book store to sell back my commute reading.
K1 (and I'm sure a K2) makes having reading material in an airport easier, that is a fact!
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:04:08pm |
re: #4 Afrocity
I am still trying to decide if I will buy it. As a rare books person I am somewhat boycott-ish about it but it is tempting. I just don't know if I can justify spending the money when we are in a recession.
I cannot recall if I've seen you post on this topic.
The problem is the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA), passed by Congress last summer after the panic over lead paint on toys from China. Among its other provisions, CPSIA imposed tough new limits on lead in any products intended for use by children aged 12 or under, and made those limits retroactive: that is, goods manufactured before the law passed cannot be sold on the used market (even in garage sales or on eBay) if they don’t conform. The law has hit thrift stores particularly hard, since many children’s products have long included lead-containing (if harmless) components: zippers, snaps, and clasps on garments and backpacks; skateboards, bicycles, and countless other products containing metal alloy; rhinestones and beads in decorations; and so forth. Combine this measure with a new ban (also retroactive) on playthings and child-care articles that contain plastic-softening chemicals known as phthalates, and suddenly tens of millions of commonly encountered children’s items have become unlawful to resell, presumably destined for landfills when their owners discard them. Penalties under the law are strict and can include $100,000 fines and prison time, regardless of whether any child is harmed.
SNIP
Hat-tip to Buzzsawmonkey.
Will it affect you?
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:04:46pm |
i have never bought books--ok-very rarely-- i'm an ex librarian asst- and my fav part of every week is going to the library with my book bag. i dont have a cell phone--so a kindle? dont think so! those that have, enjoy!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:04:46pm |
tomorrow's my birthday.
my Kindle is shipping, should be here on the 26th they say.
I've already ordered 2 titles for the Kindle.
Life is good.
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:05:04pm |
re: #25 Dianna
Are you saying that you are eating Spam because you bought a Kindle? /
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:05:17pm |
I'll buy a Kindle when they put out Henley's Dictionary or it. The damn thing is like 1,000 pages and I'm tired of lugging it around.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:05:25pm |
re: #29 reine.de.tout
tomorrow's my birthday.
my Kindle is shipping, should be here on the 26th they say.
I've already ordered 2 titles for the Kindle.
Life is good.
Charles and reine can have a read-off.
Happy pre-Birfday!
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godfrey Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:05:48pm |
E-readers will eventually rule for most purposes. Favorite books will be printed on demand in designer editions of luxe quality.
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David Simon Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:06:05pm |
The U.S. military's Guantanamo Bay prison camp currently complies with the Geneva Conventions' standards for humane treatment, a top U.S. Navy officer concluded on Monday in a review ordered by President Barack Obama.
Balanced reporting, Reuters-style:
Human rights groups disputed Walsh's findings that the camp was in full compliance with the requirement for humane treatment. They said most Guantanamo prisoners were still held in severe isolation and faced psychological and physical abuse and threats of violence from guards.
"They are caught in a vicious cycle where their isolation causes psychological damage
They believe that if they slaughter enough people they will be treated to a 72 virgin fuckfest in "paradise." And Reuters worries about the effect that "isolation" will have on their mental health.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:06:14pm |
re: #30 Afrocity
Are you saying that you are eating Spam because you bought a Kindle? /
*Snicker!*
Not quite. First, I'd have to buy a Kindle. Then, I'd have to finish the coq au vin, and all the other leftovers in the fridge!
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:06:44pm |
re: #31 Killgore Trout
That's the most practical thing I've heard suggested, yet.
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JacksonTn Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:06:51pm |
re: #29 reine.de.tout
tomorrow's my birthday.
my Kindle is shipping, should be here on the 26th they say.
I've already ordered 2 titles for the Kindle.
Life is good.
If I were there ...I would buy you a big ole chocolate doberge cake ...my favorite!
Happy Early Birthday Reine!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:07:16pm |
re: #30 Afrocity
Are you saying that you are eating Spam because you bought a Kindle? /
Spam's good eatin'. I'm sure when I retire on my 01K I'll wish I had some.
Spam grilled and baked on homemade mac and cheese. Mmmmmm. I could be eight again.
/
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:07:30pm |
re: #24 davinvalkri
That's either circular logic or begging the question...possibly both?
This is the internet - logical fallacies cancel each other out. Just gotta have an even number of them. As long as no one adds "tautology" to the pile, I'm good.
/
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traderjoe9 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:08:20pm |
Charles,
I've been thinking about purchasing the Kindle, but I have some reservations about it.
If the average book costs about $10 to purchase (on top of the initial payment for the device), is there any real great benefit to the kindle that would make it valuable enough when I can get books at the library for free? I would have no problems if I only had to pay for the first $350, but with the additional buckaroos for each book, it makes it a very expensive journey.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:09:18pm |
re: #28 mikeymom
i have never bought books--ok-very rarely-- i'm an ex librarian asst- and my fav part of every week is going to the library with my book bag. i dont have a cell phone--so a kindle? dont think so! those that have, enjoy!
Wow! How did you get your rock to place this comment?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:09:20pm |
Ugh. That fucking bigot fascist Geert Wilders is calling for an "international first amendment" (no link). This guy is a serious problem.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:10:07pm |
re: #37 Dianna
It's also a $500 book. I hope the e-version would cut costs.
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:10:35pm |
I'm trying to exhaust the small selection of books available for download (reading, not audio) on the iPod touch before I consider paying for a Kindle. They look extremely cool, though.
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:11:30pm |
re: #27 MandyManners
I heard about this. It won't really effect me and if it does it will be in a good way because any rare materials will come into a rare book library where they are not likely to be used by children. Princeton University has Cotsen Library which is a childrens rare book collection. They have original Aesop Fables, and Perrault's Mother Goose. I don't know how the curator there has been effected by this.
I like incunabula which is pre 1500, and printed. I also like illuminated manuscripts. So I see books as art and the Kindle is a little much for me to get used to.
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notutopia Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:11:35pm |
re: #38 JacksonTn
If I were there ...I would buy you a big ole chocolate doberge cake ...my favorite!
Happy Early Birthday Reine!
From me too Reine!
Only 1/2 Lemon and 1/2 Chocolate, Gambino's Doberge!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:11:45pm |
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Wishing Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:11:48pm |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:11:59pm |
re: #20 karmic_inquisitor
BTW - on a completely unrelated topic.
Behold. I can now prove that all empty nesters are senile.
Follow me.
1) In the last hour I endured a variety of emotional outbursts originating from offspring ranging from 15 years old to 4 years old.
2) My mother just told me something that many empty nesters have told me: "When you are an empty nester, you will miss it."
3) For the assertion in step 2 to be true, all empty nesters must be senile.
Q.E.D.
When my son brings his 6 kids for the weekend, suddenly I don't miss it any more. I like the quiet when they leave.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:12:39pm |
re: #46 Dianna
It goes to a Dianna West/Robert Spencer (Vlaams Belang supporters) site. I have an interview to tell what he means by an "American style" 1st amendment. Hold on...looking for link.....
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:12:49pm |
I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.
A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the sweet earth's flowing breast;
A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;
A tree that may in summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;
Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.
Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.
Joyce Kilmer
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JacksonTn Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:12:49pm |
re: #49 notutopia
From me too Reine!
Only 1/2 Lemon and 1/2 Chocolate, Gambino's Doberge!
OMG ...Gambino's and half and half ...my mother use to buy me one from Gambino's on my birthdays! ...delish ...yum yum ...
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:13:34pm |
re: #43 Killgore Trout
Ugh. That fucking bigot fascist Geert Wilders is calling for an "international first amendment" (no link). This guy is a serious problem.
What in the world?
Keep it up, Geert! Keep it up!
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godfrey Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:13:43pm |
I want 8x11 multi-point touch screen, everything ocr'd, and photo quality. Plus access to manuscript collections.
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Wishing Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:13:45pm |
re: #35 David Simon
They believe that if they slaughter enough people they will be treated to a 72 virgin fuckfest in "paradise." And Reuters worries about the effect that "isolation" will have on their mental health.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
From the article:
They are caught in a vicious cycle
Here we go again...
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:13:59pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:14:01pm |
re: #33 godfrey
E-readers will eventually rule for most purposes. Favorite books will be printed on demand in designer editions of luxe quality.
I think you're right.
I think it will be so much easier to carry and read this when I'm walking the dog, or at the gym on one of the mindless machines than it is to try to read a book and keep the pages open to the right page.
I'll be able to carry it anywhere. If I finish what I'm reading I'll have immediate access to the next thing; won't have to go home and put the finished book away and find the next one.
I think the convenience alone will see to it that these eventually "rule" as you say.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:15:12pm |
re: #43 Killgore Trout
They're promoting him as "the foremost defender of free speech in the modern age."
And ... uh ... he wants to ban the Koran and make Islam illegal.
Interesting definition of 'free speech' there.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:15:21pm |
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:15:26pm |
My new comments button is broke, even when I reload it's translucent like.
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notutopia Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:15:49pm |
re: #55 JacksonTn
My fav too! Choco-Food Orgasm!
They overnight ship you know.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:16:08pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:16:37pm |
re: #46 Dianna
Interview here
No religious or free speech protection for Muslims. He proposes including the "dominance" of Christian, Jewish and humanism. He doesn't go into if Hindus, Buddhists, or other religions will be protected but I'll guess that they probably aren't. He just doesn't understand American style freedom no matter how hard he tries.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:17:13pm |
re: #49 notutopia
From me too Reine!
Only 1/2 Lemon and 1/2 Chocolate, Gambino's Doberge!
Thanks!
Oh, no - has to be 100% choc for me LOL!
I hope somebody in my house remembers!
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godfrey Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:17:37pm |
re: #61 reine.de.tout
Library of America has good production values. I just want my choice of titles.
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Irish Rose Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:17:47pm |
I'm pretty sick right now, and it sure would have been nice to have one of these handy dandy devices for reading in bed. They're lightweight, and easy to read.
I did make it halfway through one of the latest King novels, though.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:18:02pm |
re: #16 nekama
I ordered mine -partially on the strength of Charles' recommendation - on New Year's day and got an email yesterday saying it's on the way. Along the way they upgraded to Version 2.
I read a lot of blogs and am not that keen on paying $2 a month to read on a Kindle what I can read for free on my laptop. But I'm willing to give it a try.
In case you weren't aware of it, you can't see the comments on blogs on a Kindle (at least not on the K1), or at least, you can't see the comments on this blog.
All you see is the posts themselves.
I still wouldn't give it up, though. I didn't buy it to read blogs, I bought it to read books.
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So? Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:18:04pm |
Maybe instead of featuring that Tommy guy on Friday nights, you can show this little guy.
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:18:11pm |
We Real Cool
THE POOL PLAYERS.
SEVEN AT THE GOLDEN SHOVEL.
We real cool. We
Left school. We
Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We
Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We
Jazz June. We
Die soon.
Gwendolyn Brooks
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:18:16pm |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
I see.
She still spells her name with only one "n", though.
/ignore me - I'm being silly.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:18:35pm |
re: #70 godfrey
Library of America has good production values. I just want my choice of titles.
Yes, I just found out that some things I would like do NOT have a kindle version. I think that will change.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:18:42pm |
re: #66 unrealizedviewpoint
sorry!
Actually, I've been told that the proper response is "Thank you. May I have another?"
ROFLMAO.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:19:22pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:19:31pm |
Unfortunately, the LGF Cookbook is not available for Kindle.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:19:33pm |
re: #71 Irish Rose
hope ypu feel better soon! which king book? havent liked any of his recent novels, but his last ss collectionwas good
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godfrey Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:19:42pm |
Thinning gin? (shudder) That's dying soon for sure.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:20:10pm |
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:20:19pm |
re: #71 Irish Rose
I'm pretty sick right now, and it sure would have been nice to have one of these handy dandy devices for reading in bed. They're lightweight, and easy to read.
I did make it halfway through one of the latest King novels, though.
I tend to fall asleep while reading in bed. I would hate to roll over on the Kindle and crack it.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:20:23pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
Interview here
No religious or free speech protection for Muslims. He proposes including the "dominance" of Christian, Jewish and humanism. He doesn't go into if Hindus, Buddhists, or other religions will be protected but I'll guess that they probably aren't. He just doesn't understand American style freedom no matter how hard he tries.
Why is that so? Is it because he was raised in Europe?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:20:26pm |
re: #62 Charles
I'm starting to think Geert is potentially a little more dangerous than I gave him credit for. I really can't imagine he would actually succeed at outlawing Islam but now I'm starting to wonder if it's possible. The real world implications of doing something like that are chilling: Do they arrest people for reciting a prayer or owning a Quran in their homes? Do they round people up for worshiping a banned religion? It gets spooky if you think about it.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:21:14pm |
re: #18 Afrocity
When I was a kid we still had B&W TV when everyone had color.
My family didn't get a color t.v. until about 1982. Not that we were poor; my parents just are still rather... hmm, tight with a dollar.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:21:17pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
Unfortunately, the LGF Cookbook is not available for Kindle.
If you can get it into PDF format, you can upload it to a Kindle.
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Irish Rose Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:21:31pm |
re: #81 mikeymom
hope ypu feel better soon! which king book? havent liked any of his recent novels, but his last ss collectionwas good
Currently reading "Cell".
It's not too bad... not up to his usual standard though IMO.
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:21:58pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
Unfortunately, the LGF Cookbook is not available for Kindle.
I wonder if Rules for Radicals is on Kindle?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:22:09pm |
re: #80 Sharmuta
Unfortunately, the LGF Cookbook is not available for Kindle.
I lahks mah daid treeze.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:22:15pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:22:42pm |
re: #86 Killgore Trout
It's the second coming of the Inquisition, it what it is.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:23:10pm |
re: #91 Irish Rose
that was --ok--couldnt get through lisies story at all-
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:23:11pm |
re: #86 Killgore Trout
I'm starting to think Geert is potentially a little more dangerous than I gave him credit for. I really can't imagine he would actually succeed at outlawing Islam but now I'm starting to wonder if it's possible. The real world implications of doing something like that are chilling: Do they arrest people for reciting a prayer or owning a Quran in their homes? Do they round people up for worshiping a banned religion? It gets spooky if you think about it.
Where will that law be introduced and how will it be implemented?
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:23:57pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:24:11pm |
re: #89 lobo91
If you can get it into PDF format, you can upload it to a Kindle.
The original files are in pdf.
But the cover is so special - that's one item that you have to have in book form.
Anyone looking to order - click my nic.
(shameless promotion).
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:24:16pm |
re: #94 Occasional Reader
It's been decades since I've seen that poem. Thanks for that.
...Hence the occasional reader /
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:24:17pm |
And we all know peaceful and *happy happy joy joy* the first Inquisition was.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:24:26pm |
bbiaw--having cig cravings and need kitty hugs-lol
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:25:03pm |
re: #85 MandyManners
I don't know. I think the Europeans have a harder time with it because they are raised in an environment without free speech. They are protected from "harmful" books and ideas. Even though Geert understands free speech on some level he doesn't have an American understanding of it. In this country people are allowed to say and believe all kinds of terrible things. Our courts protect KKK and neoNazi marches for good reason. I think that even in the McCarthy era communism was still legal. You might lose your job but you couldn't be arrested.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:25:09pm |
re: #102 Afrocity
...Hence the occasional reader /
I only awaken from my cryogenic slumber every 7 years. Give me a break, okay?
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:25:21pm |
re: #101 reine.de.tout
The original files are in pdf.
But the cover is so special - that's one item that you have to have in book form.Anyone looking to order - click my nic.
(shameless promotion).
Got my cookbooks today. Love it!
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:26:00pm |
I wonder if Obama will give every black kid a Kindle...
It is only fair. /
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:26:05pm |
Pamela Geller is the main contact for the Geert Wilders event, by the way.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:26:05pm |
re: #99 MandyManners
Where will that law be introduced and how will it be implemented?
That's a very good question. I don't know but all the scenarios I can think of are very bad.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:26:12pm |
re: #96 Afrocity
Yes, I answered you Mandy.
Oops! Yes, you did at No. 48.
Good to know that the destruction of thousands of books won't uspet some folks.
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Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:26:48pm |
Congrats, Kindlers. I'm sticking with my Sony Reader for now, since I already have it and like it and really can't justify having two readers. But it is cool.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:27:19pm |
re: #101 reine.de.tout
The original files are in pdf.
But the cover is so special - that's one item that you have to have in book form.Anyone looking to order - click my nic.
(shameless promotion).
The ability to upload PDF files is one of the reasons I wanted the Kindle in the first place. Most Army manuals are produced in PDF format these days, and I have what would amount to at least 50 pounds of them loaded onto an SD card in my Kindle, which fits in the cargo pocket of my uniform.
Very handy.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:27:26pm |
re: #29 reine.de.tout
Slightly OT, but my Lizard Cookbook arrived today!
It's beautiful, and shows how MUCH hard work went into it!
THANK YOU!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:27:28pm |
re: #110 Killgore Trout
That's a very good question. I don't know but all the scenarios I can think of are very bad.
Do you really see any chance of this in The Netherlands?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:27:46pm |
re: #108 Afrocity
I wonder if Obama will give every black kid a Kindle...
It is only fair. /
No. The Kindle is only available in racist-white color!
Amazon is white supremacist!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:28:46pm |
Version 2 of Amazon’s excellent E-Book reader is now shipping: Kindle 2: Amazon’s New Wireless Reading Device (Latest Generation).
Mine is on the way. Yes, I couldn’t resist. I’ll post a review when it gets here.
I got one of those free reading lights when I ordered my Dorky WTF Blanket!
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UberInfidel67 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:29:07pm |
re: #48 Afrocity What exactly do you mean by rare books? I may have a link for you.
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Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:29:48pm |
re: #109 Charles
Pamela Geller is the main contact for the Geert Wilders event, by the way.
Cherchez la femme.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:30:40pm |
re: #109 Charles
Pamela Geller is the main contact for the Geert Wilders event, by the way.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:30:57pm |
re: #116 OldLineTexan
Do you really see any chance of this in The Netherlands?
I sincerely hope not. But...one incident of the right kind, and all bets are off.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:31:14pm |
Over at stalker blog II, the banned freak 'song_and_dance_man' is advocating digging up the body of Aqsa Parvez, since the family won't let Pamela Geller exploit her in death:
I don’t know much about Canadian law, but here in America if parents abuse their children they can lose custody of them. Now this girl was murdered by her family, which in my mind is the ultimate abuse, and at that point all rights to the victim of the family should have been abolished and expunged. I don’t know if one can transfer custody of a corpse, but it might have been looked into. Or maybe the state should have marked the grave after confiscating custody from the family of murderers.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:31:26pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
I don't know. I think the Europeans have a harder time with it because they are raised in an environment without free speech. They are protected from "harmful" books and ideas. Even though Geert understands free speech on some level he doesn't have an American understanding of it. In this country people are allowed to say and believe all kinds of terrible things. Our courts protect KKK and neoNazi marches for good reason. I think that even in the McCarthy era communism was still legal. You might lose your job but you couldn't be arrested.
National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977)
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:32:03pm |
re: #109 Charles
Pamela Geller is the main contact for the Geert Wilders event, by the way.
Oh, good show!
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:32:39pm |
re: #125 Charles
What?!
That goes beyond bizarre, into ghoulish, and comes out somewhere around blasphemous.
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doppelganglander Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:32:48pm |
re: #20 karmic_inquisitor
BTW - on a completely unrelated topic.
Behold. I can now prove that all empty nesters are senile.
Follow me.
1) In the last hour I endured a variety of emotional outbursts originating from offspring ranging from 15 years old to 4 years old.
2) My mother just told me something that many empty nesters have told me: "When you are an empty nester, you will miss it."
3) For the assertion in step 2 to be true, all empty nesters must be senile.
Q.E.D.
Your mother is a liar. We are down to only one kid at home. She works part time so we get quite a lot of alone time. It's FANTASTIC!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:33:58pm |
re: #116 OldLineTexan
Do you really see any chance of this in The Netherlands?
I think it's a pretty remote chance but.....With the economy struggling, jobs getting scarce, maybe another terrorist attack or a really horrific religiously motivated murder and things could swing radically. I'd say it's possible but not probable.
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:34:02pm |
re: #120 UberInfidel67
What exactly do you mean by rare books? I may have a link for you.
Guttenberg Bible, first editions, first folio and bound manuscripts.
I collect 20th century books but some won't touch them. I like decorative bindings done in gold tooling, made of vellium, goatskin...
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:34:03pm |
re: #110 Killgore Trout
That's a very good question. I don't know but all the scenarios I can think of are very bad.
I could be wrong but, any scenario in my mind entails political conditions never before existing on this planet.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:34:06pm |
dramatic sea adventure....40' boat and couldnt free the rudder?...hmmm
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:34:06pm |
re: #123 sattv4u2
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
oopss ,,, how the hell did i do that !?!?!
BRB
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:35:31pm |
re: #118 Occasional Reader
No. The Kindle is only available in racist-white color!
Amazon is white supremacist!
i knew it i knew it i knew it /
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:35:37pm |
re: #124 Dianna
I sincerely hope not. But...one incident of the right kind, and all bets are off.
The Dutch are kind of off-the-chart "progressive", hence at least some of their problems. I'm just interested in how such a "liberal" society could be convinced to basically go that far back in time. That's a lot of genie to put back in the bottle.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:35:53pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:35:54pm |
re: #125 Charles
Over at stalker blog II, the banned freak 'song_and_dance_man' is advocating digging up the body of Aqsa Parvez, since the family won't let Pamela Geller exploit her in death:
Oh, Charles. GAG ME NOW.
I'm outta' here for a while.
| 143 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:36:00pm |
Obama Gets High Marks for 1st Month
Large majorities of Americans in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll support his $787 billion economic stimulus package and the recently unveiled $75 billion plan to stem mortgage foreclosures. Nearly seven in 10 poll respondents said Obama is delivering on his pledge to bring needed change to Washington, and about eight in 10 said he is meeting or exceeding their expectations. At the same time, however, the bipartisan support he enjoyed as he prepared to take office has eroded substantially amid stiff Republican opposition to his major economic initiatives.
/what planet are these people on?
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Cheeseland Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:36:05pm |
Does anyone have experience with converting .txt and .pdf files to Kindle format.
If that works easily does that mean the entire public domian library is open for reading on the machine?
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Elcid Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:36:30pm |
re: #16 nekama
If this is, who I believe it is...People, you are in the presence of greatness.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:36:36pm |
re: #131 doppelganglander
Your mother is a liar. We are down to only one kid at home. She works part time so we get quite a lot of alone time. It's FANTASTIC!
My youngest left home a year ago. Turns out my wife and I hate each other! Go figure.
Take my wife...please!
| 148 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:36:43pm |
re: #125 Charles
Over at stalker blog II, the banned freak 'song_and_dance_man' is advocating digging up the body of Aqsa Parvez, since the family won't let Pamela Geller exploit her in death:
Holy...are these people WELL?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:36:47pm |
| 150 |
Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:37:00pm |
The obsession with this poor young lady is morbid. Let her rest in peace, and save another girl from the same fate. That would be a more fitting tribute to Ms Parvez.
| 151 |
Archimedes Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:37:02pm |
| 152 |
JacksonTn Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:37:05pm |
re: #145 Afrocity
Where does one purchase a Kindle?
Through the Amazon link on the left of this site ...
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capitalist piglet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:37:08pm |
Charles, I don't know if you're aware of it (I just got here and haven't had a chance to read much), but AllahPundit finally said something to your anti-fan club on a Geert Wilders thread over there. His post is at 8:25PM.
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UberInfidel67 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:37:13pm |
Maybe you would find these interesting. Maybe not so much rare as obscure?
[Link: www.fordham.edu...]
[Link: www.sacred-texts.com...]
I can spend hours on these sites.
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FrogMarch Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:37:16pm |
re: #143 Killian Bundy
Obama Gets High Marks for 1st Month
/what planet are these people on?
Another poll here:
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
| 156 |
jaunte Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:37:27pm |
re: #144 Cheeseland
Here are some conversion methods:
[Link: ireaderreview.com...]
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:37:32pm |
re: #125 Charles
These are the people promoting Geert Wilders in America.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:37:46pm |
re: #125 Charles
Over at stalker blog II, the banned freak 'song_and_dance_man' is advocating digging up the body of Aqsa Parvez, since the family won't let Pamela Geller exploit her in death:
OOOOKKKK. A wee bit NUTSO are we?
| 161 |
Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:37:59pm |
re: #140 OldLineTexan
The Dutch are kind of off-the-chart "progressive", hence at least some of their problems. I'm just interested in how such a "liberal" society could be convinced to basically go that far back in time. That's a lot of genie to put back in the bottle.
I get that, and I don't disagree. But let times get tight, let there be a rash of ugly incidents, or even just one that particularly catches the public, and you've got a problem.
| 162 |
oh_dude Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:38:00pm |
No thanks. I decided to save my money for the...
Kindle 4
iPhone 5G
Sony 85" super-triple-plasma flat screen
Panasonic Purple-ray nano-DVD
I bought one of the first Sharp Wizards way back when. Remember those? I blew about $300 on it. It was obsolete the following year.
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doppelganglander Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:38:07pm |
re: #143 Killian Bundy
Obama Gets High Marks for 1st Month
/what planet are these people on?
I've got to say he is meeting my expectations. I expected him to destroy the economy, suck up to terrorist-sponsoring nations, gut national defense, and enlarge the dependent class to ensure a permanent Democrat majority. So far, I have not been disappointed.
| 164 |
Irish Rose Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:38:16pm |
re: #125 Charles
Over at stalker blog II, the banned freak 'song_and_dance_man' is advocating digging up the body of Aqsa Parvez, since the family won't let Pamela Geller exploit her in death:
I'm glad you posted this, Charles.
It's creepy and disturbing.
| 165 |
Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:38:26pm |
| 166 |
UberInfidel67 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:38:48pm |
Afrocity...try this out too:
[Link: www.bibliomania.com...]
| 167 |
kynna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:39:08pm |
I got the shipping notice -- mine will be here Thursday! I'm so excited. I've been holding off on buying a bunch of books and now ... wheeeeeee! :D
*happy*
| 168 |
solomonpanting Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:39:17pm |
re: #143 Killian Bundy
Obama Gets High Marks for 1st Month
/what planet are these people on?
Hisanus.
Now that he's solved the economic and foreclosure messes, Obama will have the health care mess tidied up by week's end.
| 169 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:39:43pm |
Also in the interview I linked to at #68 Geert is asked about the banning the burka. I think the burka is terribly opressive and isolating for women. It's a security risk in airports and a safety risk while driving but if someone wants to walk through the park I couldn't care less what they wear.
The interviewer asks Geert if he has consulted Muslim women and he says, "I don't care what they think."
Various arguments can be made against the burka but I really don't think a male politician should enact laws on what women should wear. It's very unAmerican.
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:39:51pm |
Okay I am warming up to the idea but:
1. I don't commute to work, so would it be useful to me
2. I like to underline and write annotations in the margins of my books. Does a Kindle let you do this...at least underline?
| 171 |
Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:39:53pm |
re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist
Holy...are these people WELL?
I don't think so.
Leave the poor girl's body alone. I cannot wrap my head around that suggestion without stepping off into bizzarro world.
| 172 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:40:08pm |
re: #141 albusteve
Yes, it's him. He posts there pretty frequently.
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doppelganglander Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:40:24pm |
re: #147 The Shadow Do
My youngest left home a year ago. Turns out my wife and I hate each other! Go figure.
Take my wife...please!
Well, thanks anyway, but I'm female and I don't swing that way. ;) Seriously, yeah, all that together time can get on my last nerve because I need my space. Plus, we recently started working together. At home. Now that you mention it, this might not end well...
| 174 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:40:55pm |
re: #162 oh_dude
I bought one of the first Sharp Wizards way back when.
"It's a tip calculator!"
-Jerry Seinfeld's dad
| 175 |
Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:40:55pm |
re: #150 Sharmuta
The obsession with this poor young lady is morbid. Let her rest in peace, and save another girl from the same fate. That would be a more fitting tribute to Ms Parvez.
Just to repeat - you're right, and articulating what I should have said!
| 176 |
Irish Rose Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:40:55pm |
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capitalist piglet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:40:57pm |
re: #170 Afrocity
Okay I am warming up to the idea but:
1. I don't commute to work, so would it be useful to me
2. I like to underline and write annotations in the margins of my books. Does a Kindle let you do this...at least underline?
You can save little snips of text and make notes with it. And that's just with the old version.
| 178 |
The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:41:34pm |
Speaking of polls, where is that one that is the favorite every pre-election when an R is in the Whitehouse? You know, the one that goes "do you think the country is heading in the right direction?" That one.
| 179 |
Archimedes Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:41:38pm |
re: #170 Afrocity
Okay I am warming up to the idea but:
1. I don't commute to work, so would it be useful to me
2. I like to underline and write annotations in the margins of my books. Does a Kindle let you do this...at least underline?
I've never owned one, but I hear that the latest version will read to you. Albeit with a synthesized voice, which for me won't work for novel length stories.
| 180 |
acwgusa Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:41:38pm |
I'm waiting for color, the keyboard to go away, and a multi-touch coverflow like page flip.
I guess I'm waiting for a hard-back sized Apple E-reader! The iBook!
| 181 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:41:51pm |
re: #172 Killgore Trout
Yes, it's him. He posts there pretty frequently.
bummer...he could be alot of fun but had this creepy way of turning...you recall of course...too bad
| 182 |
Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:42:08pm |
re: #125 Charles
That guy is a complete lunatic. I still remember that insane babbling e-mail he sent you that you posted. It was the ramblings of a psychopath. This is more of the same.
| 183 |
albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:42:41pm |
| 184 |
The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:43:08pm |
re: #173 doppelganglander
Well, thanks anyway, but I'm female and I don't swing that way. ;) Seriously, yeah, all that together time can get on my last nerve because I need my space. Plus, we recently started working together. At home. Now that you mention it, this might not end well...
I say leave him and lets talk...
/kidding
| 185 |
lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:43:09pm |
re: #144 Cheeseland
Does anyone have experience with converting .txt and .pdf files to Kindle format.
If that works easily does that mean the entire public domian library is open for reading on the machine?
Basically, all you have to do is email the file to your Kindle account at Amazon, and the conversion is automatic. If you have it sent back to your regular email account and upload the converted file using the Kindle's USB cable, it's free. If you have it sent to the Kindle using the wireless system, it costs 10 cents.
| 186 |
Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:43:43pm |
re: #181 albusteve
bummer...he could be alot of fun but had this creepy way of turning...you recall of course...too bad
Yeah, I do recall that turning thing - happened to me only once - kind of a Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde experience.
| 187 |
Bobblehead Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:43:48pm |
I want it bad but I think I'll wait until Christmas. Well, maybe my birthday. Ok, maybe Mother's Day.
| 188 |
lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:44:32pm |
re: #170 Afrocity
Okay I am warming up to the idea but:
1. I don't commute to work, so would it be useful to me
2. I like to underline and write annotations in the margins of my books. Does a Kindle let you do this...at least underline?
Yes, and yes.
You can highlight passages, and you can attach notes.
| 189 |
Bobblehead Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:44:56pm |
re: #180 acwgusa
I'm waiting for color, the keyboard to go away, and a multi-touch coverflow like page flip.
I guess I'm waiting for a hard-back sized Apple E-reader! The iBook!
I'm surprised Apple hasn't jumped in yet.
| 190 |
UberInfidel67 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:44:58pm |
Well, I am out folks. Catch you all tomorrow. Peace
| 191 |
Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:45:04pm |
Located in Chicago, they work to meet the needs of abused muslim women.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:45:15pm |
re: #125 Charles
Over at stalker blog II, the banned freak 'song_and_dance_man' is advocating digging up the body of Aqsa Parvez, since the family won't let Pamela Geller exploit her in death:
That is major necrophiliac creepy
| 194 |
Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:45:50pm |
re: #170 Afrocity
Okay I am warming up to the idea but:
1. I don't commute to work, so would it be useful to me
2. I like to underline and write annotations in the margins of my books. Does a Kindle let you do this...at least underline?
You might click the link and see what Amazon claims it'll do. Or wait for the reviews from lizards, I guess.
| 195 |
Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:45:56pm |
re: #185 lobo91
Basically, all you have to do is email the file to your Kindle account at Amazon, and the conversion is automatic. If you have it sent back to your regular email account and upload the converted file using the Kindle's USB cable, it's free. If you have it sent to the Kindle using the wireless system, it costs 10 cents.
That's cool. I actually posted a Sony Reader review on Amazon with information on software, conversions, etc., because God knows Sony was not helping those people. It's my most popular review.
| 196 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:46:15pm |
Love note for the evening, from an admirer in Canada:
Boy, you're one fucking moron. If you think creationism is going to sink our chances then why don't you leave the Republican Party and find out. And btw anybody who uses Google search numbers to argue that Palin's 'creationism' affected the election is someone looking for a reason to expel once again the religious nuts of the party. I'll tell you what. You and Barnett can join the Democrats while we take all the religious Hispanics. Oh and go fuck yourself.
Praise the lord!
| 197 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:46:18pm |
re: #191 Sharmuta
They'd be shut down if Geert had his way. I'll bet the even have Qurans in the building.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:46:33pm |
re: #161 Dianna
I get that, and I don't disagree. But let times get tight, let there be a rash of ugly incidents, or even just one that particularly catches the public, and you've got a problem.
Why wouldn't the overboard threats and shooting of Theo Van Gogh have been exactly that? I see no overall uprising of the Dutch people. How big is Wilders' following? Wiki shows VVD to be a small although considerable presence in their gov't. Does he have enough allies to make something other than a minority bloc?
| 199 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:46:46pm |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
Also in the interview I linked to at #68 Geert is asked about the banning the burka. I think the burka is terribly opressive and isolating for women. It's a security risk in airports and a safety risk while driving but if someone wants to walk through the park I couldn't care less what they wear.
The interviewer asks Geert if he has consulted Muslim women and he says, "I don't care what they think."
Various arguments can be made against the burka but I really don't think a male politician should enact laws on what women should wear. It's very unAmerican.
How does he feel about Orthodox Jewish women who cover their hair? How does he feel about headscarves in general? How does he feel about payess? How does he feel about Sikhs who wear the turban? How does he feel about Mennonite ladies in prayer caps? How does he feel about Indian ladies in saris? How does he feel about women who wear four-inch heels? And who does he think he is again?
How would he feel if
| 201 |
Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:47:30pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:47:33pm |
re: #196 Charles
Love note for the evening, from an admirer in Canada:
Praise the lord!
And pass the Bong
| 203 |
doppelganglander Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:47:59pm |
re: #184 The Shadow Do
I say leave him and lets talk...
/kidding
I don't think so, but I do enjoy a little e-flirting. Hey, for all you know, I'm fatter than your wife and twice as bitchy.
| 204 |
Irish Rose Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:48:24pm |
| 205 |
acwgusa Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:48:33pm |
re: #189 Bobblehead
I'm surprised Apple hasn't jumped in yet.
Steve Jobs is out for 6 months, and Tim Cook is in charge. I'm not expecting much creativity from Apple for the time being.
/Says he from behind a custom built PC.
/What? My Mac Mini G4 is down for replacement!
| 206 |
Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:48:33pm |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
They'd be shut down if Geert had his way. I'll bet the even have Qurans in the building.
I'm going to call them in the morning, and make a donation in Ms Parvez's name to be used to help a woman in a similar situation.
| 207 |
The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:48:45pm |
Was gonna get one for the wife. Then I realized, as much as she reads, it is mostly in the bathtub. Yup she falls asleep hence most of the books she buys are used and yellow/curled up when she is done with them. May be a problem with a kindle, but I'm not sure. Do they come in a waterproof, floaty type configuration?
| 209 |
Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:49:07pm |
OT
One thing about Russian neighbors. Never assume they're fighting, just because they're yelling.
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WindHorse Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:49:17pm |
Looks like we're all goin' to MacDonald's this month...
[Link: www.tri-cityherald.com...]
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acwgusa Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:49:20pm |
re: #196 Charles
Love note for the evening, from an admirer in Canada:
Praise the lord!
Now that's quality analysis right there, that is.
/When did we export our loons to Canada?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:49:33pm |
re: #201 Dianna
?
Oh. That's...I don't know what to say.
I'm safe...I liked the guy you know?...I like everyone
| 213 |
Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:50:00pm |
re: #211 acwgusa
Now that's quality analysis right there, that is.
/When did we export our loons to Canada?
2000. Then once again in 2004.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:50:00pm |
re: #196 Charles
Love note for the evening, from an admirer in Canada:
Praise the lord!
Dang, Charles, you need to change your cologne or something... the nuts find you like homing pigeons.
| 215 |
Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:50:01pm |
[Link: www.hamdardcenter.org...]
And I ask my fellow LGFers to join me in contributing to do something to really help these abused women, and donate what you can in Ms. Parvez's name with me.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:50:13pm |
re: #198 OldLineTexan
Why wouldn't the overboard threats and shooting of Theo Van Gogh have been exactly that? I see no overall uprising of the Dutch people. How big is Wilders' following? Wiki shows VVD to be a small although considerable presence in their gov't. Does he have enough allies to make something other than a minority bloc?
I'm no authority, so I'm going off general observations. I've noticed that large groups of people can be inspired by drama, and they don't always react well.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:50:20pm |
re: #196 Charles
Love note for the evening, from an admirer in Canada:
Praise the lord!
and pass the ammunition.
/sorry
I thought all Canadians were polite (except Bob and Doug). Hmm.
/
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:50:27pm |
re: #191 Sharmuta
Located in Chicago, they work to meet the needs of abused muslim women.
Bless your heart!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:50:48pm |
re: #125 Charles
Over at stalker blog II, the banned freak 'song_and_dance_man' is advocating digging up the body of Aqsa Parvez, since the family won't let Pamela Geller exploit her in death:
Unreal.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:50:59pm |
re: #204 Irish Rose
Take out a restraining order.
his beef was with Charles...I had nothing to do with it (?)
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:51:16pm |
a Kindle is like Barbarella sex but for a book.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:51:21pm |
re: #203 doppelganglander
I don't think so, but I do enjoy a little e-flirting. Hey, for all you know, I'm fatter than your wife and twice as bitchy.
I like em kinda fat and sassy. Just sayin
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newsjunkie_ky Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:51:35pm |
re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist
How does he feel about Orthodox Jewish women who cover their hair? How does he feel about headscarves in general? How does he feel about payess? How does he feel about Sikhs who wear the turban? How does he feel about Mennonite ladies in prayer caps? How does he feel about Indian ladies in saris? How does he feel about women who wear four-inch heels? And who does he think he is again?
How would he feel if
I seem to remember an awful lot of anti/ban/oppressive the hijab comments here.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:52:00pm |
re: #217 OldLineTexan
and pass the ammunition.
/sorry
I thought all Canadians were polite (except Bob and Doug). Hmm.
/
wrong...Joni Mitchell can be a real asshole
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:52:04pm |
The new kindle will make you lazy, Charles... it can actually read to you when you don't feel like it.
:)
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:52:15pm |
re: #207 The Shadow Do
Was gonna get one for the wife. Then I realized, as much as she reads, it is mostly in the bathtub. Yup she falls asleep hence most of the books she buys are used and yellow/curled up when she is done with them. May be a problem with a kindle, but I'm not sure. Do they come in a waterproof, floaty type configuration?
Business opportunity.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:52:20pm |
re: #207 The Shadow Do
Was gonna get one for the wife. Then I realized, as much as she reads, it is mostly in the bathtub. Yup she falls asleep hence most of the books she buys are used and yellow/curled up when she is done with them. May be a problem with a kindle, but I'm not sure. Do they come in a waterproof, floaty type configuration?
I suspect that might be a problem. The manual doesn't address it specifically as I recall, but it doesn't look like it would be waterproof or float. Not much chance of electrocution or anything, since it runs on a small cell phone-type battery, but I can't imagine water being good for it.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:52:46pm |
re: #217 OldLineTexan
and pass the ammunition.
/sorry
I thought all Canadians were polite (except Bob and Doug). Hmm.
/
You forget Terrence & Philip, too, you uncle-f**ker.
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doppelganglander Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:52:51pm |
re: #212 albusteve
I think S&DM has/had real mental problems. I remember him as a perfectly nice poster who was quite entertaining, and then he started posting these odd mystical ramblings. Of course I don't know how close you are to him, but I think he could use a friend.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:52:55pm |
re: #212 albusteve
I'm safe...I liked the guy you know?...I like everyone
I liked him, too, and I'm very, very upset by the fact that I seem to have missed all the signs that there was something wrong with him. That post...it just curdles my blood. It's useless, and ugly, and disgusting.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:52:59pm |
re: #196 Charles
Love note for the evening, from an admirer in Canada:
Praise the lord!
Which "lord"?
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:53:07pm |
re: #212 albusteve
I'm safe...I liked the guy you know?...I like everyone
Ohhhhhhkaaaaaayyyyy ... avanti?
/BSEG
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:53:12pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:53:21pm |
re: #224 newsjunkie_ky
I seem to remember an awful lot of anti/ban/oppressive the hijab comments here.
Please quote one post where I advocated banning the hijab.
Is it oppressive? Yes. Have I criticized it? Yes.
Have I advocated BANNING it? Not once.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:54:24pm |
re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist
Exactly. I'm very cautious of the "slippery slope" arguments but restricting the freedoms of one segment of the population always ends up spreading.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:54:47pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:54:48pm |
re: #224 newsjunkie_ky
I seem to remember an awful lot of anti/ban/oppressive the hijab comments here.
That is, on this site? I've seen a few, yes.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:54:49pm |
re:lgf cookbook--for personal reasons, i would like to send cash. is this a payment option at the cookbook website?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:54:49pm |
re: #230 doppelganglander
I think S&DM has/had real mental problems. I remember him as a perfectly nice poster who was quite entertaining, and then he started posting these odd mystical ramblings. Of course I don't know how close you are to him, but I think he could use a friend.
I don't know where he lives...I had a phone number once but lost it...he's around
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:54:52pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:54:54pm |
re: #206 Sharmuta
That's a damn fine idea.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:55:11pm |
re: #224 newsjunkie_ky
I seem to remember an awful lot of anti/ban/oppressive the hijab comments here.
I am not fond of the hijab. But I don't even allow myself to glare.
No, to be honest, I detest the hijab, and all the rest of it. But this is a free country, and I am going to keep reminding myself of that.
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:55:39pm |
re: #189 Bobblehead
There are reader apps you can download for your iphone. Not as satisfying as kindle, but they do the job, without extra hardware. Lots of free titles, and you can download almost anything.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:56:44pm |
re: #236 Killgore Trout
Exactly. I'm very cautious of the "slippery slope" arguments but restricting the freedoms of one segment of the population always ends up spreading.
This isn't 'slippery slope', by me, it's basic common sense. Religious freedom should not be infronged upon. Period.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:56:44pm |
re: #233 OldLineTexan
Ohhhhhhkaaaaaayyyyy ... avanti?
/BSEG
avanti is okay...just a commie kook...it's a matter of timing, and at the moment I'm particularly lovable
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doppelganglander Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:56:50pm |
re: #223 The Shadow Do
I like em kinda fat and sassy. Just sayin
Now you're assuming I'm fat. Never tell a woman she's fat.
/not fat
//well, kinda round
///up past my bedtime, g'night, all!
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:56:54pm |
re: #215 Sharmuta
[Link: www.hamdardcenter.org...]
And I ask my fellow LGFers to join me in contributing to do something to really help these abused women, and donate what you can in Ms. Parvez's name with me.
You are the best Sharmuta. I know of their good work.
Women should help women especially. I belong to "Sister to Sister" which is African American professional women who mentor other young Black teenage women. We have the No sex line. They can call us if they feel like ...well you know. We talk them out of it or if they insist we tell them to use protection. The pregnancy rate among unwed AA moms is like 70%.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:56:54pm |
re: #244 tradewind
There are reader apps you can download for your iphone. Not as satisfying as kindle, but they do the job, without extra hardware. Lots of free titles, and you can download almost anything.
Apparently the big difference is the backlighting, which is not good for the eyes.
Kindle does the e-paper thing, which is supposed to be much better.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:57:00pm |
re: #224 newsjunkie_ky
I seem to remember an awful lot of anti/ban/oppressive the hijab comments here.
I've lampooned it (saying the women are "in the bag",,,, saying they look like Detroit Lions fans,,,, ) I've never seen Charles do it though, even in jest
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:57:02pm |
re: #235 Charles
You never have, but I'm willing to bet a bunch of us minions were something less than temperate in our remarks on several occasions. Including me.
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Unakite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:57:09pm |
re: #147 The Shadow Do
My youngest left home a year ago. Turns out my wife and I hate each other! Go figure.
Take my wife...please!
Our kids haven't left home yet (they're too young), and my wife and I have already figured out...oh, well, never mind.
/s (sort of).
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:57:27pm |
re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist
This isn't 'slippery slope', by me, it's basic common sense. Religious freedom should not be infronged upon. Period.
infringed. I have no idea what it means to 'infronge'.
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:57:36pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
Even if someone could only give a little money- the power of LGFers working together could give the shelter quite a nice sum by the time we were all done.
I will call them in the morning and report back the best way to make sure the money is going to help these women under the threat Ms Parvez was unable to avoid.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:57:53pm |
re: #247 doppelganglander
Now you're assuming I'm fat. Never tell a woman she's fat.
/not fat
//well, kinda round
///up past my bedtime, g'night, all!
Damn, I blew it again
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:58:02pm |
re: #232 MandyManners
Maybe he forgot to add ' of the dance '.
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Kragar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:58:26pm |
re: #243 Dianna
I am not fond of the hijab. But I don't even allow myself to glare.
No, to be honest, I detest the hijab, and all the rest of it. But this is a free country, and I am going to keep reminding myself of that.
First thing I always think of when I see the hijab is slavery. Might as well collar and brand them. I feel sorry for the women I see wearing them.
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Bloodnok Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:58:33pm |
re: #254 Sharmuta
Even if someone could only give a little money- the power of LGFers working together could give the shelter quite a nice sum by the time we were all done.
I will call them in the morning and report back the best way to make sure the money is going to help these women under the threat Ms Parvez was unable to avoid.
You rock. I'll do what I can.
:-)
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notutopia Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:58:33pm |
re: #219 Elcid
16 nekama
2/23/2009 7:00:55 pm PST
Nekama's Troll Hammer? That Nekama?
[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:58:33pm |
re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist
How does he feel about Orthodox Jewish women who cover their hair? How does he feel about headscarves in general? How does he feel about payess? How does he feel about Sikhs who wear the turban? How does he feel about Mennonite ladies in prayer caps? How does he feel about Indian ladies in saris? How does he feel about women who wear four-inch heels? And who does he think he is again?
How would he feel if
I never really cared if women want to wear the hijab or not, let 'em wear it if they want to.
BUT, at DTW airport there is a hijab-wearing TSA bitch who is very nasty about feeling up people. She is just plain freaking creepy. This is the same gestapo bitch whose picture wanding an elderly nun made the world wide news.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:58:41pm |
re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm sure I've entertained the idea before. There can be a good case made against the burka but America is a free country. We can do whatever we want (within reason). You could walk around in a bear suit all day every day if you wanted. You might get thrown out of the bank, they might not let you on a bus but if that's how you want to live your life the state shouldn't force you to stop.
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capitalist piglet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:58:45pm |
re: #196 Charles
Love note for the evening, from an admirer in Canada:
Praise the lord!
One of my friends loves to tell the story of a mutual friend of ours, a Christian who did very well in the music industry, who once screamed at a guy she was breaking up with, "IN THE NAME OF JESUS, GET OFF OF MY F__KING LAWN!"
I wonder if these people ever reflect on their behavior.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:58:56pm |
re: #243 Dianna
I am not fond of the hijab. But I don't even allow myself to glare.
No, to be honest, I detest the hijab, and all the rest of it. But this is a free country, and I am going to keep reminding myself of that.
I would consider supporting a ban on the burqa or the niqab, for the same reason a nmber of cities ban the wearing of masks in public. It's a security issue when you have people walking around who can't be identified.
As for the hijab, if they want to wear it, fine.
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swamprat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 7:59:06pm |
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notutopia Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:00:03pm |
re: #239 mikeymom
You can send them a money order. Get their address from Reine.
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:00:06pm |
re: #248 Afrocity
You're awesome too. It's important we women help and care for each other. Thanks for what you do.
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Elcid Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:00:14pm |
re: #259 notutopia
Nekama's Troll Hammer? That Nekama?
[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]
Believe so...Doubt Charles would allow anyone other than, to use that Nic.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:00:19pm |
re: #257 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
First thing I always think of when I see the hijab is slavery. Might as well collar and brand them. I feel sorry for the women I see wearing them.
Rawhide!...move em out!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:00:29pm |
re: #216 Dianna
I'm no authority, so I'm going off general observations. I've noticed that large groups of people can be inspired by drama, and they don't always react well.
Well, I suppose we do have plenty of examples of that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:00:51pm |
re: #257 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
First thing I always think of when I see the hijab is slavery. Might as well collar and brand them. I feel sorry for the women I see wearing them.
Women wearing headscarves? Do you feel that way when you see Jewish women covering their hair? If so, why?
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:00:56pm |
re: #249 Occasional Reader
I haven't found anything yet that I was willing to hold and read for any length of time other than a book/newspaper/magazine. Must be the ADD thing.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:01:13pm |
re: #260 Alouette
I never really cared if women want to wear the hijab or not, let 'em wear it if they want to.
BUT, at DTW airport there is a hijab-wearing TSA bitch who is very nasty about feeling up people. She is just plain freaking creepy. This is the same gestapo bitch whose picture wanding an elderly nun made the world wide news.
I have encountered that nasty thing! Not just creepy, really creepy!
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:02:10pm |
re: #249 Occasional Reader
Apparently the big difference is the backlighting, which is not good for the eyes.
Kindle does the e-paper thing, which is supposed to be much better.
It really is much easier on the eyes. As a life-long reading addict, I am totally hooked on this device. I fall asleep reading on it every night.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:02:20pm |
re: #262 capitalist piglet
One of my friends loves to tell the story of a mutual friend of ours, a Christian who did very well in the music industry, who once screamed at a guy she was breaking up with, "IN THE NAME OF JESUS, GET OFF OF MY F__KING LAWN!"
I wonder if these people ever reflect on their behavior.
Well, I can add that to a delightful list I once saw of "Ways a Christian Woman Ends A Relationship".
My favorite was "Of course I love you, but it's just agape between us now."
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Kragar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:02:31pm |
re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist
Women wearing headscarves? Do you feel that way when you see Jewish women covering their hair? If so, why?
I see a woman who isn't afraid of an honor killing if she takes it off.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:02:43pm |
re: #249 Occasional Reader
Apparently the big difference is the backlighting, which is not good for the eyes.
Kindle does the e-paper thing, which is supposed to be much better.
Also uses less battery power. Once the text is formed for a page, it supposedly requires no power to maintain it, unlike an LCD screen.
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Afrocity Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:03:02pm |
I will be back later. It is time for my snack.
Ice cream or chips...
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:03:22pm |
re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist
Women wearing headscarves? Do you feel that way when you see Jewish women covering their hair? If so, why?
Please let me know when TSA, or UKPD makes a special tichel just for Orthodox female employees like they have designed "official" hijab for their Muslim female employees.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:03:47pm |
re: #260 Alouette
I never really cared if women want to wear the hijab or not, let 'em wear it if they want to.
BUT, at DTW airport there is a hijab-wearing TSA bitch who is very nasty about feeling up people. She is just plain freaking creepy. This is the same gestapo bitch whose picture wanding an elderly nun made the world wide news.
re: #272 The Shadow Do
I have encountered that nasty thing! Not just creepy, really creepy!
Why don't either/the both of you DO SOMETHING about it?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:03:59pm |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:04:20pm |
re: #280 MandyManners
Why don't either/the both of you DO SOMETHING about it?
What do you suggest that we do, other than get slapped up by TSA and miss our flight?
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Bobblehead Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:04:22pm |
re: #244 tradewind
There are reader apps you can download for your iphone. Not as satisfying as kindle, but they do the job, without extra hardware. Lots of free titles, and you can download almost anything.
Haven't made the jump to an iphone. I'm one of those "carry a cell for emergency purposes only" gals. Having said that though, I looked at my son's iphone and thought it was quite nifty.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:04:32pm |
fat bastard--if you are still on--what it your wife that had the sound wave thingy done on kidney stones? if so, my nic is blue--i have a few questions about the procedure-my hubby may need it--thanks in advance!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:05:02pm |
re: #275 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I see a woman who isn't afraid of an honor killing if she takes it off.
Not gonna argue, there, although the stakes have gotten much higher and nastier in some of the more extreme communities.
Should a woman not cover her hair for religious reasons, though, because her religion includes some real psychos?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:05:02pm |
re: #278 Afrocity
I will be back later. It is time for my snack.
Ice cream or chips...
Ice cream ON chips!
OR ,
Chocolate CHIPS on Ice cream !
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Cheeseland Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:05:19pm |
re: #185 lobo91
Basically, all you have to do is email the file to your Kindle account at Amazon, and the conversion is automatic. If you have it sent back to your regular email account and upload the converted file using the Kindle's USB cable, it's free. If you have it sent to the Kindle using the wireless system, it costs 10 cents.
Is it easy to download with the USB?
Does it work if the pdf is a journal article with two columns?
What happens to tables/pictures/artwork when you do the conversion?
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Throbert McGee Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:05:34pm |
My parents Mr. and Mrs. Santa gave me an iPod for Christmas; annoyingly, despite its 80Gb of memory, and an ability to display text files, there is a 4Kb size limit on the text files!
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:05:36pm |
re: #280 MandyManners
Why don't either/the both of you DO SOMETHING about it?
what can you do?...the TSA can really mess you up...not a good fight to pick
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:06:31pm |
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The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:06:32pm |
re: #280 MandyManners
Why don't either/the both of you DO SOMETHING about it?
When flying there is no complaint department these days. Submit or accept the third degree. Sad but true department. I suspect anyone filing a complaint about this woman would be in for a whole new world of hurt. And she knows it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:06:36pm |
re: #279 Alouette
Please let me know when TSA, or UKPD makes a special tichel just for Orthodox female employees like they have designed "official" hijab for their Muslim female employees.
Well, they won't.
But then again, if they did, wouldn't there ever be a halachic fistfight over whether it was the right kind before sundown?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:07:03pm |
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Kragar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:07:10pm |
re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist
Not gonna argue, there, although the stakes have gotten much higher and nastier in some of the more extreme communities.
Should a woman not cover her hair for religious reasons, though, because her religion includes some real psychos?
I think there is a distinct difference between doing something for spiritual reasons and doing something because you hope your own family wont hunt you down and butcher you.
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Mich-again Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:07:13pm |
Women who wear a burka have a high probability of having a Vitamin D deficiency unless they take supplements or have a special diet that addresses that deficiency. (Fat chance of that happening) Now if those Burka wearing women are nursing babies, they are very likely passing that Vitamin D deficiency along to their child.
It could be construed as child abuse and under more politically correct circumstances, I'm sure some activist would trumpeting that charge.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:07:25pm |
re: #280 MandyManners
Why don't either/the both of you DO SOMETHING about it?
BTW, I am already on some kind of "watch" list because I always get pulled over for "special processing." I think it may have something to do with the FSU visa in my passport, that always freaks people out.
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kynna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:07:51pm |
re: #260 Alouette
I never really cared if women want to wear the hijab or not, let 'em wear it if they want to.
BUT, at DTW airport there is a hijab-wearing TSA bitch who is very nasty about feeling up people. She is just plain freaking creepy. This is the same gestapo bitch whose picture wanding an elderly nun made the world wide news.
My parents have been harassed so badly by the TSA that I won't let them fly anymore. We pay for first class on the train or everyone comes to them. They don't need their blood pressures raised anymore than they already are.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:08:32pm |
re: #298 Mich-again
Women who wear a burka have a high probability of having a Vitamin D deficiency
why?
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:08:42pm |
re: #284 Alouette
What do you suggest that we do, other than get slapped up by TSA and miss our flight?
Form a group?
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Cheeseland Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:09:09pm |
re: #228 lobo91
I suspect that might be a problem. The manual doesn't address it specifically as I recall, but it doesn't look like it would be waterproof or float. Not much chance of electrocution or anything, since it runs on a small cell phone-type battery, but I can't imagine water being good for it.
Ziplock makes a nice quart size freezerbag.
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Kragar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:09:25pm |
re: #301 sattv4u2
Women who wear a burka have a high probability of having a Vitamin D deficiency
why?
Sunlight is a major source of vitamin D
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:09:42pm |
re: #294 The Shadow Do
When flying there is no complaint department these days. Submit or accept the third degree. Sad but true department. I suspect anyone filing a complaint about this woman would be in for a whole new world of hurt. And she knows it.
pretty much...I've mixed it up with Customs at Detroit International...bad rabbit, you simply cannot win..they will fuck you over beyond belief...I hate the feds
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:09:55pm |
re: #297 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I think there is a distinct difference between doing something for spiritual reasons and doing something because you hope your own family wont hunt you down and butcher you.
No argument. But even though I know women have been threatened and attacked in Jerusalem for being 'inappropriately' dressed, I still assume that most women who put on a tichel or a shaytl do it for religion's sake. I do extend that assumption to the Muslim world, while realizing that there are a number of other possible reasons that are less savory.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:10:02pm |
re: #300 kynna
My parents have been harassed so badly by the TSA that I won't let them fly anymore. We pay for first class on the train or everyone comes to them. They don't need their blood pressures raised anymore than they already are.
We also get pulled over for "special processing" when we go to Canada by car.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:10:23pm |
re: #292 albusteve
what can you do?...the TSA can really mess you up...not a good fight to pick
Tips?
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:10:29pm |
re: #300 kynna
My parents have been harassed so badly by the TSA that I won't let them fly anymore. We pay for first class on the train or everyone comes to them. They don't need their blood pressures raised anymore than they already are.
If anyone has a story that beats this one, I'd like to hear it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:10:46pm |
re: #301 sattv4u2
Women who wear a burka have a high probability of having a Vitamin D deficiency
why?
I assume, no sun exposure.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:10:48pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:11:03pm |
re: #298 Mich-again
What if a woman doesn't eat enough calcium? Should the state force feed her? I think it's real bad to get government involved in the personal choices people make.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:11:16pm |
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slokat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:11:49pm |
re: #131 doppelganglander
Your mother is a liar. We are down to only one kid at home. She works part time so we get quite a lot of alone time. It's FANTASTIC!
Maybe she's just heading off the "what do you do with your extra time" inquiries so she doesn't have to admit to anything?
Rule number one of empty nest, don't admit there is an empty nest.
Rule number two of empty nest, don't admit what you do in the nest....
;)
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:12:31pm |
re: #309 MandyManners
Tips?
bribery? you must be joking...they will simply gun you down if you tried that...no shit
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:12:46pm |
re: #301 sattv4u2
Women who wear a burka have a high probability of having a Vitamin D deficiency
why?
Little exposure to sunlight.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:13:05pm |
re: #290 Cheeseland
Is it easy to download with the USB?
No harder than transferring a file from one computer to another with a USB drive or downloading from a digital camera. Same concept.
Does it work if the pdf is a journal article with two columns?
It won't look the same, but all the text will be there. It's sort of like what would happen if you copied the text into a word document.
What happens to tables/pictures/artwork when you do the conversion?
That's the one downside to uploading PDF files. No pictures or tables. Text only. I suspect that their conversion software is basically just an OCR program.
There are other ways to convert files to Kindle format, though. I'm not sure how they work. The Kindle can show illustrations, if they're formatted properly (for example, a map that appears on the inside cover pages of a book)
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Mich-again Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:13:22pm |
re: #260 Alouette
BUT, at DTW airport there is a hijab-wearing TSA bitch who is very nasty about feeling up people. She is just plain freaking creepy.
I like to give the hijab wearing women the elevator eyes treatment and a flirty blink. Ha. Why not.
They allegedly wear that Halloween costume every day to distract attention. Yeah right. They put on an outfit that screams out to the world "Hey Everyone! LOOK AT ME!" all in the name of "modesty".
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:14:04pm |
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:14:12pm |
re: #273 Charles
It really is much easier on the eyes. As a life-long reading addict, I am totally hooked on this device. I fall asleep reading on it every night.
Charles,
I ordered one for my one for my wife...a voracious reader.
You say you fall asleep with it. I noticed that it doesn't have a built in reading light. Do you find this to be a design flaw? I would have thought a more Intelligent Design would be to have had a built in light. Hopefully as the product Evolves the next incarnation of it will include a built in light
/s
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:14:21pm |
re: #317 Occasional Reader
Little exposure to sunlight.
People who live in far Northern regions (Alaska, Scandinavia, Russia) have that same problem. They have UV lights installed in their homes. Remember the uproar over Sarah Palin's tanning bed?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:14:41pm |
re: #316 albusteve
bribery? you must be joking...they will simply gun you down if you tried that...no shit
Um, no, they won't gun you down, they'll arrest you. Please.
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avspatti Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:15:00pm |
re: #143 Killian Bundy
Yeah, but it was only a couple of thousand people . .. if I remember correctly.
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Kragar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:15:02pm |
As long as the topic is advanced orders, got my Stormlord super heavy tank model on order, 2 weeks to go
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:15:11pm |
re: #322 danrudy
Charles,
I ordered one for my one for my wife...a voracious reader.
You say you fall asleep with it. I noticed that it doesn't have a built in reading light. Do you find this to be a design flaw? I would have thought a more Intelligent Design would be to have had a built in light. Hopefully as the product Evolves the next incarnation of it will include a built in light/s
You get a free book Kindle light when you order a Snuggie!
/////////
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Mich-again Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:15:19pm |
re: #313 Killgore Trout
What if a woman doesn't eat enough calcium? Should the state force feed her? I think it's real bad to get government involved in the personal choices people make.
What about babies born addicted to crack cocaine? Is that OK? Heck it was just mom's personal choice.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:15:44pm |
re: #303 Cheeseland
Ziplock makes a nice quart size freezerbag.
That would actually work, as far as waterproofing it. Not sure that I'd wantto read a book through it, though. I've done that with older portable GPS receivers, before they started making them waterproof.
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JacksonTn Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:15:47pm |
re: #326 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
As long as the topic is advanced orders, got my Stormlord super heavy tank model on order, 2 weeks to go
PTBK ...what is that? ...
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:16:27pm |
re: #327 OldLineTexan
You get a free
bookKindle light when you order a Snuggie!/////////
I don't even have a clue what that means....LOL
Snuggie?
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:16:45pm |
I wonder what they mathematical probability of getting 911 hijackers once again. And what the probability be of a TSA agent stopping them.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:16:47pm |
re: #326 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
As long as the topic is advanced orders, got my Stormlord super heavy tank model on order, 2 weeks to go
Your what?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:16:48pm |
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babes Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:16:51pm |
re: #328 Mich-again
What about babies born addicted to crack cocaine? Is that OK? Heck it was just mom's personal choice.
please - if you ever saw a newborn going through withdrawal - it rips your heart out
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:17:24pm |
just wondering--isn't a hijab, or hajib ot whatever, just a head covering scarf vs. a full bodybag, burka? the former is not as offensive to me as the later
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:17:26pm |
re: #327 OldLineTexan
You get a free
bookKindle light when you order a Snuggie!/////////
ok...googled snuggie and saw the light....LOL thanks
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Mich-again Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:17:29pm |
I wonder what airport security lines would be like these days if Richard Reid had tried to sneak the bomb in his underwear instead of in his shoe.
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Kragar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:17:39pm |
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newsjunkie_ky Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:17:53pm |
re: #235 Charles
Please quote one post where I advocated banning the hijab.
Is it oppressive? Yes. Have I criticized it? Yes.
Have I advocated BANNING it? Not once.
Didn't say you had, I said 'comments'.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:18:01pm |
re: #324 Occasional Reader
Um, no, they won't gun you down, they'll arrest you. Please.
Well he shot four men
in an airplane deal
And he left them
lyin' in an open field
Full of old Cessnas
with bullet holes
in the mirrors.
He tried to do his best
but he could not.
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Soccermom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:18:06pm |
Me, too, Charles & Dianna. I should receive my K2 on March 2, although it shipped yesterday.
I can't wait. When I travel, I'm always carting around a lot of books; this will be so much more convenient!
I read a lot and buy a lot of books, most of which aren't keepers. Books are my spending weakness, so I expect the K2 will pay for itself by the end of the year, easily. I pass on most of the paperbacks I read to others or to the library. I keep the serious books I read. This will also help my book shelves.
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:18:08pm |
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Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:18:11pm |
In a previous thread, I wondered aloud if the ADL would condemn the Messiah/King's decision to participate in the UN's Durban II Anti-Jewish Hate Conference. On the one hand, they oppose anti-Semitism. But on the other hand, their top priority is supporting left-wing causes and politicians.
I haven't found an answer. But I did find something that will make the ADL big fat hypocrites if they don't condemn Obama:
ADL Calls on Responsible Nations To Withdraw from Tainted U.N. Durban II Conference
The latest round of negotiations have proven that the so-called 'Durban II' Conference will inevitably promote the agenda of those governments who want to single out Israel for condemnation, prevent Holocaust remembrance, and establish a global blasphemy code for Islam. Now is the time for responsible nations to get up and walk out.
It is unmistakably clear that we are headed for a repeat of the overheated anti-Israel hatefest of the original 2001 Durban conference. The Syrian delegation's attempt to question whether a third of the Jewish people were murdered in the Holocaust -- and to delete language referring to that fact -- is another sign that the follow-up conference will be as tainted as the first. If that is the kind of debate occurring at a so-called 'anti-racism' conference, no self-respecting country should participate.
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JacksonTn Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:18:25pm |
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J.S. Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:18:32pm |
re: #217 OldLineTexan
there are a lot of nutty people living in Canada...and, many don't really have an American-style understanding of "free speech"...(tend to have radicals on both the left and the right -- real radicals -- as in extremists -- but, of course, they don't see themselves as "extreme", yet they always want to shut the other side up, and will resort to violence at the drop of a hat, etc. The Leftist radicals -- Naomi Klein, Avi Lewis, etc., are reminscent of al-Jazeera types; then, of course, we've got, on the other side, the ultra right-wingers -- the Ernst Zundel types...I really dislike both groups and view them as equally dangerous and disturbed..."moderates" seem to be an ever shrinking minority...)
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:18:39pm |
re: #338 Mich-again
I wonder what airport security lines would be like these days if Richard Reid had tried to sneak the bomb in his underwear instead of in his shoe.
Would have to add another reason to wear clean underwear.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:18:54pm |
re: #338 Mich-again
I wonder what airport security lines would be like these days if Richard Reid had tried to sneak the bomb in his underwear instead of in his shoe.
"Everyone must change their underwear on the hour. Underwear must be worn on the outside, so we can check."
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:19:17pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:19:32pm |
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:19:39pm |
re: #331 danrudy
I don't even have a clue what that means....LOL
Snuggie?
It's a blanket with sleeves advertised ad nauseum on cable TV and highly mocked at teh LFG...
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CapeCoddah Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:20:03pm |
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Kragar Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:20:12pm |
re: #345 JacksonTn
Sweet ...do you put it together? ...
Yup. 200+ pieces. Going with an urban combat camo pattern to fit in with the rest of my models.
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wee fury Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:20:16pm |
TSA Agents are doing their job. Altho, some of them tend to be 'badge heavy'.
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Cognito Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:20:16pm |
re: #4 Afrocity
I am still trying to decide if I will buy it. As a rare books person I am somewhat boycott-ish about it but it is tempting. I just don't know if I can justify spending the money when we are in a recession.
I like books. Actual, real-life books with real-life pages. They're tactile, they have heft, they operate by candlelight, and with age they even smell wonderful.
Plus man-handling a criminal into the courtroom and then crying out to the judge, "Throw the Kindle mobile reading device at him!" just doesn't have the same ring.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:20:16pm |
re: #336 mikeymom
just wondering--isn't a hijab, or hajib ot whatever, just a head covering scarf vs. a full bodybag, burka? the former is not as offensive to me as the later
Yes, the hijab is a headscarf. The veil that's often worn with it is the niqab. A burqa is a one-piece full body covering with a mesh eyeslit.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:20:35pm |
re: #324 Occasional Reader
Um, no, they won't gun you down, they'll arrest you. Please.
they shot me 201 times for offering to split a Snickers bar! (with almonds)...you have no clue you pampered sissy
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:20:56pm |
re: #351 OldLineTexan
It's a blanket with sleeves advertised ad nauseum on cable TV and highly mocked at teh LFG...
Makes you look like a monk in a primary-colored fleece robe. Apparently popular with people who don't understand how a bathrobe works.
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Mich-again Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:21:18pm |
re: #346 J.S.
there are a lot of nutty people living in Canada...and, many don't really have an American-style understanding of "free speech"...(tend to have radicals on both the left and the right -- real radicals -- as in extremists -- but, of course, they don't see themselves as "extreme", yet they always want to shut the other side up, and will resort to violence at the drop of a hat, etc.
I have made the point here before. The 2-Party system forces candidates to pull from the middle. The Multi-party system forces candidates to pull from the edges.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:21:44pm |
re: #319 Mich-again
They put on an outfit that screams out to the world "Hey Everyone! LOOK AT ME!"
In all fairness, it might scream "Hey everyone, LOOK AT ME" but it doesn't say "hey everyone, check out my legs, ass and cleavage"
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Unakite Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:21:57pm |
re: #332 Gus 802
I wonder what they mathematical probability of getting 911 hijackers once again. And what the probability be of a TSA agent stopping them.
Zero. They're all dead.
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Cheeseland Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:22:07pm |
re: #318 lobo91
That's the one downside to uploading PDF files. No pictures or tables. Text only. I suspect that their conversion software is basically just an OCR program.
There are other ways to convert files to Kindle format, though. I'm not sure how they work. The Kindle can show illustrations, if they're formatted properly (for example, a map that appears on the inside cover pages of a book)
I am in for a 2.0. Wish me luck. I have also heard that at least on the 1.0 there was a functional web browser and a built in dictionary. I have my fingers crossed.
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Bobblehead Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:22:20pm |
re: #306 albusteve
pretty much...I've mixed it up with Customs at Detroit International...bad rabbit, you simply cannot win..they will fuck you over beyond belief...I hate the feds
My husband and I ran into a real sob TSA agent at the Phoenix airport a couple of years ago. He was so nasty to the passengers filing past him the other agents were telling him to shut his pie hole. My husband had to pull me away before I got myself detained and gently lectured me on the futility of pointing out to said agent what a bad attitude he had.
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swamprat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:22:23pm |
re: #341 OldLineTexan
Well he shot four men
in an airplane deal
And he left them
lyin' in an open field
Full of old Cessnas
with bullet holes
in the mirrors.
He tried to do his best
but he could not.
song please?
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newsjunkie_ky Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:23:12pm |
re: #243 Dianna
I am not fond of the hijab. But I don't even allow myself to glare.
No, to be honest, I detest the hijab, and all the rest of it. But this is a free country, and I am going to keep reminding myself of that.
It is easy for me not to stare, I don't see that well and only if I'm within a few feet would I see a woman wearing one. I don't mind them, I don't mind that Orthodox Jews wear hats or wigs or devout Catholics wear head scarves. I remember when Laura Bush wore a head scarf while in Saudia Arabia and many thought that was horrible. She was in their country and should respect their customs.
No one better ever try to force me to wear one though.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:23:15pm |
re: #355 Cognito
i said earlier-as an ex-librarian asst--i never buy books-only go to the library--my fav day of the week--love the feel of books and yes the smell-call me an old fuddy-duddy! i cant sleep at night w/o reading a few chapters-and if its really good-reading all night!
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BIG Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:23:33pm |
My girlfriend ordered me one for Valentines Day. It is suppose to arrive on the 26th and I have a small list that I am going to download. I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon's site crashes because of the activity. But I am looking forward to using it.
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:23:39pm |
re: #285 Bobblehead
I was the same way, until I figured out it would save me so much time and baggage. It really un-tethers you from a computer, ipod/music player, pda, and now I bank on it (literally)... and even the photo software has gotten decent. Even the edge wifi has sped up some to the point that you never have to worry about connecting to a network away.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:23:57pm |
re: #363 Bobblehead
My husband and I ran into a real sob TSA agent at the Phoenix airport a couple of years ago. He was so nasty to the passengers filing past him the other agents were telling him to shut his pie hole. My husband had to pull me away before I got myself detained and gently lectured me on the futility of pointing out to said agent what a bad attitude he had.
yes...this is the disgrace of internal travel in America...keep your mouth shut....a monumental task for me
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:23:58pm |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:24:10pm |
re: #332 Gus 802
I wonder what they mathematical probability of getting 911 hijackers once again. And what the probability be of a TSA agent stopping them.
TSA = Turds Standing Around
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:24:30pm |
re: #356 lobo91
Yes, the hijab is a headscarf. The veil that's often worn with it is the niqab. A burqa is a one-piece full body covering with a mesh eyeslit.
Speaking of Snuggies, I once saw a photo of an Afghani woman's outdoor clothes, circa 1900. Imagine, if you will, a white cotton HazMat suit. It has sleeves, with mitten hands, legs with feetsies, and a whole-head hood with a lace-work eye panel.
It makes what we refer to as a burqa look like beachwear.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:24:51pm |
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Mich-again Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:25:10pm |
re: #360 sattv4u2
In all fairness, it might scream "Hey everyone, LOOK AT ME" but it doesn't say "hey everyone, check out my legs, ass and cleavage"
Umm, whats the difference?
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:25:13pm |
re: #358 SanFranciscoZionist
Makes you look like a monk in a primary-colored fleece robe. Apparently popular with people who don't understand how a bathrobe works.
The bathrobe doesn't cover the toes. I assume the "snuggie", like the snug-sack of yore, does.
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:26:02pm |
in all fairness there are plenty of TSA people that are good, humble servants of the system...few are around when I fly tho...I hear about them
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:26:19pm |
re: #363 Bobblehead
My husband and I ran into a real sob TSA agent at the Phoenix airport a couple of years ago. He was so nasty to the passengers filing past him the other agents were telling him to shut his pie hole. My husband had to pull me away before I got myself detained and gently lectured me on the futility of pointing out to said agent what a bad attitude he had.
Maybe someone should start a "TSA Watch" blog for people to share their airport horror stories.
/not that I would do anything like that.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:27:01pm |
They're trying to be PC and do it randomly which decreases the probability. The way to increase that probability is to profile.
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avspatti Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:27:06pm |
re: #196 Charles
Love note for the evening, from an admirer in Canada:
Praise the lord!
Pass the ammunition! ;)
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:27:08pm |
re: #376 Dianna
The bathrobe doesn't cover the toes. I assume the "snuggie", like the snug-sack of yore, does.
ummm-that new invention--SOCKS?
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albusteve Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:27:22pm |
re: #378 Alouette
Maybe someone should start a "TSA Watch" blog for people to share their airport horror stories.
/not that I would do anything like that.
horror stories are all over the net when you look
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newsjunkie_ky Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:27:55pm |
re: #328 Mich-again
What about babies born addicted to crack cocaine? Is that OK? Heck it was just mom's personal choice.
So, I didn't feed my kids for days or kept them locked in a cage, he11, it was my personal choice.
/////////
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:28:00pm |
re: #382 mikeymom
ummm-that new invention--SOCKS?
I have patented something I call "slippers". I will soon be fabulously wealthy.
/
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:28:02pm |
re: #362 Cheeseland
I am in for a 2.0. Wish me luck. I have also heard that at least on the 1.0 there was a functional web browser and a built in dictionary. I have my fingers crossed.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
The web browser's not the most useful thing ever, but the dictionary works well. If there's a word you don't know, you highlight that lie, select dictionary from the menu, and it opens in a new window with the definition. When you're done with it, you click it again and you're back to where you left off in your book.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:28:28pm |
re: #362 Cheeseland
I am in for a 2.0. Wish me luck. I have also heard that at least on the 1.0 there was a functional web browser and a built in dictionary. I have my fingers crossed.
Yes, the version 1 Kindle has a built-in dictionary, and a web browser. The browser is text-only though -- it looks like a modified version of the Lynx browser.
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Boondock St. Bender Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:28:29pm |
re: #196 Charles
lotta good christian love right there!
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MandyManners Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:28:34pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:28:34pm |
re: #385 OldLineTexan
I have patented something I call "slippers". I will soon be fabulously wealthy.
/
Only if you advertise on late-night TV.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:28:57pm |
re: #385 OldLineTexan
I have patented something I call "slippers". I will soon be fabulously wealthy.
/
nope--hate slippers--love SOCKS (RIP) btw
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Throbert McGee Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:29:53pm |
re: #263 lobo91
I would consider supporting a ban on the burqa or the niqab, for the same reason a number of cities ban the wearing of masks in public. It's a security issue when you have people walking around who can't be identified.
As for the hijab, if they want to wear it, fine.
Upding for reminding people about the difference between the hijab (which covers the hair and neck, but not the face) and the more extreme forms of Islamic veils that obscure the face.
Echoing what others have said, I'm not crazy about the whole concept of the hijab, but I acknowledge that in and of itself, the hijab doesn't obscure a woman's individual identity as a person, and is not a security risk. (I have two relatives who wear hijab -- soon to be three, I expect, because my Muslim cousin's older daughter is "getting to be that age," poor kid.)
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:30:55pm |
re: #388 Boondock St. Bender
lotta good christian love right there!
They left out the "you're gonna' burn in hell" part. They're immortal soul is at risk for not preaching the gospel!
//////
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:31:07pm |
re: #382 mikeymom
ummm-that new invention--SOCKS?
It's not always enough - my feet can turn to blocks of ice even in wool socks and fleece slippers.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:31:50pm |
re: #30 Afrocity
Are you saying that you are eating Spam because you bought a Kindle? /
If'n you don't want that there spam just give it to me. I can do some wonderful things with the Hormel meat product.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:32:54pm |
re: #393 Throbert McGee
Echoing what others have said, I'm not crazy about the whole concept of the hijab, but I acknowledge that in and of itself, the hijab doesn't obscure a woman's individual identity as a person, and is not a security risk.
The security risk isn't just an imaginary issue, either. There have been documented instances of male terorists using them as disguises, either to attempt to smuggle a bomb into somewhere or to facilitate their own escape.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:33:08pm |
re: #391 mikeymom
nope--hate slippers--love SOCKS (RIP) btw
Then you would be interested in my crossover product, "slipper socks".
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:33:11pm |
re: #398 Dianna
It's not always enough - my feet can turn to blocks of ice even in wool socks and fleece slippers.
whoa--poor circ! your fiance must love you when you snuggle and put your feeet on his legs and back!
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:33:25pm |
re: #332 Gus 802
The probability of terrorists attempting to use our airlines to create terror is pretty high. The chance that a few hijackers trying to recreate aircraft takeovers in the style of 9-11 would succeed is almost nil. The crew procedures and passenger/crew mindsets that allowed those attacks to succeed are no longer there. Never again would a hundred plus people allow a few to control a flight, because the myth that the hijackers want to live is gone. The theory has already been tested in real life... for example, the shoe bomber. The guy was jumped immediately.
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Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:33:57pm |
re: #322 danrudy
Charles,
I ordered one for my one for my wife...a voracious reader.
You say you fall asleep with it. I noticed that it doesn't have a built in reading light. Do you find this to be a design flaw? I would have thought a more Intelligent Design would be to have had a built in light. Hopefully as the product Evolves the next incarnation of it will include a built in light/s
Sony Reader and Kindle are meant to be electronic books. The pages are designed to replicate a page of print as closely as possible and to be easy on the eyes. There are no plans to backlight them. This is not a design flaw, because backlighting is hard on the eyes and uses power very quickly. My Reader lasts a long time and charges back up very quickly. Also, reading on a little TV screen was never my cup of tea - I was delighted when the Reader came out, because it is so book-like.
For people who want to read in the dark, say at night, Reader has a well-designed cover with light. I do know of several Kindle-compatible clip on lights, and they may make some device themselves.
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Bobblehead Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:34:13pm |
re: #378 Alouette
Maybe someone should start a "TSA Watch" blog for people to share their airport horror stories.
/not that I would do anything like that.
That would probably be a useful tool for frequent flyers.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:34:36pm |
re: #403 OldLineTexan
Then you would be interested in my crossover product, "slipper socks".
upding!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:34:43pm |
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pink freud Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:34:57pm |
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:35:09pm |
re: #404 mikeymom
whoa--poor circ! your fiance must love you when you snuggle and put your feeet on his legs and back!
He once damn near achieved vertical lift-off when I slipped into bed late, and he (most kindly) snuggled up to me.
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jorline Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:35:36pm |
Simple fact.
If Obama had a LGF account and his karma was a reflection of the stock market since taking office...
1. Mandy would have whacked him several times.
2. Stinky would have taken the stick to him.
3. Charles would blocked his ass!
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Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:35:39pm |
Oops - I accidentally slipped into Reader Helper mode.
These things are so awesome that I can't help myself.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:35:44pm |
re: #405 tradewind
So the probability of someone trying it is still high but of it succeeding would have been reduced.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:36:37pm |
Top 10 Worst TSA Employees of 2008
Surprisingly, the DTW hijabi nun abuser is not mentioned.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:36:40pm |
Well, goodnight everyone, I drank too much and my nose is hitting the keyboard.
Gotta go to bed, if I can get upstairs.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:37:15pm |
re: #393 Throbert McGee
Upding for reminding people about the difference between the hijab (which covers the hair and neck, but not the face) and the more extreme forms of Islamic veils that obscure the face.
Echoing what others have said, I'm not crazy about the whole concept of the hijab, but I acknowledge that in and of itself, the hijab doesn't obscure a woman's individual identity as a person, and is not a security risk. (I have two relatives who wear hijab -- soon to be three, I expect, because my Muslim cousin's older daughter is "getting to be that age," poor kid.)
What age is that, 6?
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:37:23pm |
re: #379 Sharmuta
Psst- you're mask is slipping again.
I thought it was pretty funny
did you not see the /s? Last time you had issues with the Dildo comment because of the lack of an /s so I tried to make it easier for you to decipher
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Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:37:31pm |
re: #418 CapeCoddah
Well, goodnight everyone, I drank too much and my nose is hitting the keyboard.
Gotta go to bed, if I can get upstairs.
Hold onto the banister!
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:37:41pm |
So, one would have to ask. Are there aircraft fueled and ready with live AA missiles on the pad as it were? Say near NYC. Would have to have at least two pilots and two aircraft ready 24/7.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:38:27pm |
re: #408 Bobblehead
That would probably be a useful tool for frequent flyers.
I Googled "TSA travel horror" and came up with some interesting sites.
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:39:04pm |
re: #394 CapeCoddah
Ass.
I wonder if the kindle also has a thesaurus so I can say F@#$ You several different ways
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J.S. Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:39:06pm |
re: #393 Throbert McGee
...because my Muslim cousin's older daughter is "getting to be that age," poor kid.
In Canada there are zillions of 6-year-olds (elementary school age) girls wearing a hijab...(lots of Islamist Imams on tv cable channels which insist that 6-year-olds wear a hijab, long before puberty, etc.)...
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:39:45pm |
re: #422 Catttt
Hold onto the banister!
Crawl. That way, your nose just hurts when you do a face plant.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:40:04pm |
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:40:26pm |
re: #424 Alouette
I Googled "TSA travel horror" and came up with some interesting sites.
I knew for sure TSA was a joke when they tried to confiscate Joe Foss' Medal of Honor.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:41:22pm |
re: #328 Mich-again
What about babies born addicted to crack cocaine? Is that OK? Heck it was just mom's personal choice.
I've read that the "crack baby epidemic" was a media-created myth, or at least a semi-myth. (Short version: Most crack-using pregnant women also drink a lot of alcohol, and the "crack babies" were actually Fetal Alcohol Syndrome babies.)
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:41:26pm |
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:41:32pm |
re: #430 jcm
I knew for sure TSA was a joke when they tried to confiscate Joe Foss' Medal of Honor.
TSA: EOE Central
Uh, duhee.
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Scion9 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:42:42pm |
re: #432 Charles
I think he is in the Constitution Party now.
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:43:58pm |
re: #407 Catttt
Sony Reader and Kindle are meant to be electronic books. The pages are designed to replicate a page of print as closely as possible and to be easy on the eyes. There are no plans to backlight them. This is not a design flaw, because backlighting is hard on the eyes and uses power very quickly. My Reader lasts a long time and charges back up very quickly. Also, reading on a little TV screen was never my cup of tea - I was delighted when the Reader came out, because it is so book-like.
For people who want to read in the dark, say at night, Reader has a well-designed cover with light. I do know of several Kindle-compatible clip on lights, and they may make some device themselves.
Thanks....I would like to get her a light so she can read at night in the dark. Sometimes our kids climb into bed and she has trouble falling asleep and turning on a light to read only wakes the kids back up.
If you could recommend one that would be great. I didn't really love the ones that I saw linked to the Kindle on the Amazon site.
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Cognito Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:44:44pm |
Er... Some mighty ugly language here, over the Kindle... I had no idea alternative reading devices were so hotly contested.
Wait till I tell you guys how to make your own pinhole camera.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:44:57pm |
re: #405 tradewind
The probability of terrorists attempting to use our airlines to create terror is pretty high. The chance that a few hijackers trying to recreate aircraft takeovers in the style of 9-11 would succeed is almost nil. The crew procedures and passenger/crew mindsets that allowed those attacks to succeed are no longer there. Never again would a hundred plus people allow a few to control a flight, because the myth that the hijackers want to live is gone. The theory has already been tested in real life... for example, the shoe bomber. The guy was jumped immediately.
You know, I wonder about that. Would people today react as they did then? The wound is not so fresh now. I think we become more vulnerable by the day.
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Last Mohican Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:45:49pm |
re: #426 J.S.
In Canada there are zillions of 6-year-olds (elementary school age) girls wearing a hijab...(lots of Islamist Imams on tv cable channels which insist that 6-year-olds wear a hijab, long before puberty, etc.)...
What do you mean, "long before puberty"? Mohammed married Aisha when she was six.
Of course, he didn't have sex with her until she was nine, when it was appropriate to do so.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:46:13pm |
re: #439 The Shadow Do
You know, I wonder about that. Would people today react as they did then? The wound is not so fresh now. I think we become more vulnerable by the day.
The jump from "someone ought to do something" and "that someone is me" will always remain large.
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J.S. Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:46:41pm |
re: #432 Charles
wow. "Is he President of the United States?" "an alleged usurper."
lol...now that's a lunatic...
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Cheeseland Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:46:43pm |
re: #387 Charles
Yes, the version 1 Kindle has a built-in dictionary, and a web browser. The browser is text-only though -- it looks like a modified version of the Lynx browser.
Can you see LGF comments in its text? Up above someone mentioned that if you subscribe to the blog itself you cannot see any comments.
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:46:44pm |
re: #433 Gus 802
TSA: EOE Central
Uh, duhee.
I flew right after 9/11. Poor National Guard guys had M-16s, and no ammo in sight.
Are they gonna' club a terrorist to death? WTF?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:46:45pm |
re: #415 Gus 802
So the probability of someone trying it is still high but of it succeeding would have been reduced.
A fairly key element of the success of the 9/11 attacks was that for about thirty years previous, it was understood that the best survival strategy in a hijacking was to cooperate with the hijackers. Those days are no more. Once a hijacking has taken place, correct me if I'm wrong, folks with more experience, but I think now you have to assume everyone on the plane is dead regardless, and take the Flight 93 option.
Has anyone else ever been on an international flight, eying the young man next to you, and weighing a vague uneasy sensation when his wife, in sari, with toddler and giant diaper bag, plus Times of London, arrives?
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:47:03pm |
re: #434 CapeCoddah
Fuck you right back, asshole.
Oh yeah...I know you are but what am I?
wait, wait....let me think ....ok ok ok ...I got one...
Double F@#$ You right back.
Your turn.
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:48:04pm |
re: #421 danrudy
For someone who is so concerned that Charles is posting on topics other than ID, you sure have a funny way of showing your support.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:48:34pm |
re: #426 J.S.
In Canada there are zillions of 6-year-olds (elementary school age) girls wearing a hijab...(lots of Islamist Imams on tv cable channels which insist that 6-year-olds wear a hijab, long before puberty, etc.)...
The little Pakistani girls in London, back when I lived there, didn't cover until puberty or so. Times may have changed.
They also wore cute homemade shalwar-kameez outfits made out of cartoon-character sheeting.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:49:03pm |
re: #432 Charles
Alan Keyes: Nirther.
[Video]Completely insane.
Alan Keyes, goof de la goof, nut de la nut, putz de la putz, etc.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:49:24pm |
re: #444 jcm
I flew right after 9/11. Poor National Guard guys had M-16s, and no ammo in sight.
Are they gonna' club a terrorist to death? WTF?
No ammo? I can see that. That's why I was wondering if there are a couple of cocked F-15s or F-16s on a hot pad near NYC. I'm betting no.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:49:26pm |
re: #430 jcm
I knew for sure TSA was a joke when they tried to confiscate Joe Foss' Medal of Honor.
I got into it with the TSA supervisor in El Paso once, when one of their drones decided to "randomly select" me for additional screening while I was travelling in uniform, on orders, on a governement-purchased ticket.
TSA is the short bus of federal law enforcement.
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Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:49:39pm |
re: #437 danrudy
Sony is awesome at design. At support and communication - not so much.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:49:40pm |
re: #430 jcm
I knew for sure TSA was a joke when they tried to confiscate Joe Foss' Medal of Honor.
Well they do set off metal detectors, according NCIS, anyway.
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Bobblehead Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:50:18pm |
re: #439 The Shadow Do
You know, I wonder about that. Would people today react as they did then? The wound is not so fresh now. I think we become more vulnerable by the day.
Before 9/11 i noticed people tended to keep their eyes to themselves, so to speak. However, since then I've noticed pretty active scanning of the other people flying with you. It is particularly obvious to me in the waiting areas preflight. I look at everyone.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:50:31pm |
re: #328 Mich-again
What about babies born addicted to crack cocaine? Is that OK? Heck it was just mom's personal choice.
Interesting point. As far as I know pregnant crack addicts aren't forced into detox centers by the state.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:50:50pm |
re: #446 danrudy
I rarely waste my time on idiots. Actually, I never waste my time on idiots. You would be a case in point.
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Boondock St. Bender Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:51:04pm |
re: #449 The Shadow Do
wasn't he somewhat rational at some point in the distant past?sad.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:51:08pm |
re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist
I haven't flown in years. I assume it would depend on the passengers on the flight in how they would react.
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ConservatismNow! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:51:33pm |
re: #326 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
As long as the topic is advanced orders, got my Stormlord super heavy tank model on order, 2 weeks to go
Ahh. A fellow 40k player I see. I still have a Baneblade sitting in the box in my closet. I'm sure I'll put it together someday.
As to the topic at hand, Missus CN is getting a Kindle for her birfday next month. She's excited! I'm interested to see your review on it, Charles.
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Dustyvet Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:52:08pm |
re: #444 jcm
I flew right after 9/11. Poor National Guard guys had M-16s, and no ammo in sight.
Are they gonna' club a terrorist to death? WTF?
I have memories of being put out on "Guard Duty" with a pick axe handle...God I miss the the army...:P
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Scion9 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:52:15pm |
re: #456 Killgore Trout
Interesting point. As far as I know pregnant crack addicts aren't forced into detox centers by the state.
No; they might take her kid from her though.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:52:35pm |
re: #457 CapeCoddah
I rarely waste my time on idiots. Actually, I never waste my time on idiots. You would be a case in point.
thought you were going to bed cape? maybe you should GAZE--get some sleep!
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:53:59pm |
Hi all. How's the LGF world tonight?
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:54:16pm |
re: #415 Gus 802
They have a particular fascination with aircraft, probably because of the high media value.....the seeds of the 9-11 hijackings were born in the failed plot to explode twelve US carriers over the ocean in one day( a plan foiled, btw, by a female cop in the Philippines who stumbled on it accidentally). Since people who should know feel that either the WH or the Capitol was the failed target of United 93,and since Al Q' seems to try to wrap up unfinished business (see WTC bombing #1) , airlines are very aware that they will keep testing and trying.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:54:16pm |
re: #463 mikeymom
thought you were going to bed cape? maybe you should GAZE--get some sleep!
Going. Trying to get the energy to stand up. Easier to keep hitting the new comments button. This darned blog is too addictive.
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:54:44pm |
re: #452 lobo91
I got into it with the TSA supervisor in El Paso once, when one of their drones decided to "randomly select" me for additional screening while I was travelling in uniform, on orders, on a governement-purchased ticket.
TSA is the short bus of federal law enforcement.
The TSA in Seattle took a Marine honor guard into a back room and stripped them to their shorts. All those medals, brass buttons and what not keep setting off the detectors. They where escorting a fallen Marine and family to Arlington.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:55:04pm |
re: #459 Gus 802
I haven't flown in years. I assume it would depend on the passengers on the flight in how they would react.
I can't imagine a planeful of Americans not at least trying to take the plane down. I think people understand the score pretty clearly, at least when it comes to hijackings.
Other types of security--well, let me just say that my faith in BART went downhill a couple years ago...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:55:35pm |
re: #462 Scion9
That's pretty difficult during pregnancy.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:55:47pm |
Good evening y'all - hope everyone is doing ok tonight!
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:55:54pm |
re: #464 CynicalConservative
Hi all. How's the LGF world tonight?
I'm calling a women's abuse center in Chicago in the morning to see about making donations to them in Asqa Parvez's name. Other than that- just the usual stuff here.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:56:16pm |
re: #467 jcm
WTF? are you serious? that is outrageous, those bastids!
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Scion9 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:56:44pm |
re: #471 Killgore Trout
Well, I'm not expert on prenatal care, so I'll take your word for it.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:56:46pm |
re: #468 mikeymom
good cc-hows your back?
Not too bad lately, thanks for asking. Minor aches and tweaks but better eating habits and light exercise has been helping.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:56:59pm |
re: #467 jcm
The TSA in Seattle took a Marine honor guard into a back room and stripped them to their shorts. All those medals, brass buttons and what not keep setting off the detectors. They where escorting a fallen Marine and family to Arlington.
I heard about that incident.
I despise the TSA.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:57:01pm |
re: #467 jcm
The TSA in Seattle took a Marine honor guard into a back room and stripped them to their shorts. All those medals, brass buttons and what not keep setting off the detectors. They where escorting a fallen Marine and family to Arlington.
Heathrow Airport once kept a friend of mine in custody for two hours, before it occurred to them to ask the two obvious questions:
"Do American bras come with metal underwires?" and
"Would you remove your bra and hand it to me?"
And this was in the early nineties.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:57:40pm |
re: #473 Sharmuta
I'm calling a women's abuse center in Chicago in the morning to see about making donations to them in Asqa Parvez's name. Other than that- just the usual stuff here.
Have to read up on that, unsure of the details. Previous threads?
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Bobblehead Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:58:20pm |
re: #472 realwest
Good evening y'all - hope everyone is doing ok tonight!
Hi real! How's the weather in lovely NC?
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:58:57pm |
re: #482 mikeymom
good to hear.
Still gotta get my but to a doc and get some scans. No excuses, just haven't done it.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:59:12pm |
re: #465 tradewind
Yes. Since the 1960s. My thinking on this is that if one wanted to attack again that the logical answer would be not to use an airliner. The options would be other forms of transportation either through container, ship, boat, tanker, etc. So we have to be careful in how many eggs we put into the airline security basket and not avoid funding other potential holes in security.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:59:22pm |
re: #480 mikeymom
Hi ya {mikeymom} Cute as always! Sure glad you don't have such good eysight, too!
I'm doing ok, just really COLD here already.
How are you doing?
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 8:59:47pm |
re: #470 SanFranciscoZionist
I can't imagine a planeful of Americans not at least trying to take the plane down. I think people understand the score pretty clearly, at least when it comes to hijackings.
Other types of security--well, let me just say that my faith in BART went downhill a couple years ago...
What happened on BART?
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Throbert McGee Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:00:00pm |
re: #426 J.S.
In Canada there are zillions of 6-year-olds (elementary school age) girls wearing a hijab...(lots of Islamist Imams on tv cable channels which insist that 6-year-olds wear a hijab, long before puberty, etc.)...
Well, when I visited them in March 2008, my cousin was wearing a "hijab proper" -- that is, with the scarf arranged so that the hair and neck were completely covered -- while her elder daughter, who's around 10, had a kerchief that partly covered her hair but left her (adorable) bangs exposed. But the younger daughter, who's 7 or so, didn't have any head covering at all.
Also, I'm pretty sure that my cousin had to wear her hijab in front of me (because I'm an unmarried male -- notwithstanding the fact that I'm her first cousin, and a homo), but was free to expose her hair in front of my father and my sister's husband when they'd visited a few days earlier.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:00:04pm |
re: #484 CynicalConservative
hope you dont reach that point, but when you are in enuf pain, you will!
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ConservatismNow! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:00:18pm |
re: #485 Gus 802
the ports are still woefully unsecure.
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:00:38pm |
re: #439 The Shadow Do
People wouldn't sit still for being driven into a crash again. More importantly, the crew no longer thinks that cooperating with hijackers is SOP, or even an option, and this is what allowed 9-11. Couldn't happen that way today.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:00:39pm |
re: #483 Bobblehead
Hi Bobblehead! It's COLD - no snow but it's currently 27 and supposedly will be 20 degrees when I wake up in the morning! How are you doing tonight?
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:00:44pm |
re: #472 realwest
Good evening y'all - hope everyone is doing ok tonight!
Hey RW!
We are all coming to realize that those Unicorns the government provided are in fact cleverly disguised suppository delivery systems, as we all seem to wake up to news everyday that Obama has decided to stick something new up our posteriors.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:01:00pm |
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:01:20pm |
re: #462 Scion9
We have had them incarcerated for the duration by judges in my state.
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J.S. Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:01:28pm |
re: #456 Killgore Trout
There was a case in Canada where a pregnant woman (native I believe) who was addicted to solvent sniffing (?) -- anyway, she was arrested for inhaling some junk, judge noticed that she was also pregnant, and the judge ordered her to be jailed for the duration of her pregnancy...(no more glue for you!)..I believe it set a precedent...
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:02:00pm |
re: #486 realwest
i'm doing good--5 days off cigs-using gum this time and seem to be ok-except i need to go to bed soon cause i'm shoving chips in mouth like crazy! hope you and mom are well-prayers up every night for you two!
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:02:05pm |
re: #473 Sharmuta
I'm calling a women's abuse center in Chicago in the morning to see about making donations to them in Asqa Parvez's name. Other than that- just the usual stuff here.
My idea this morning was:
If a father abuses a 16 year and the mother knows about it and does nothing. The 16 can be removed from the home and parental rights terminated.
Why not posthumously?
In the culture that would be a huge loss of face and honor. To add to it a appropriate inscription could then go on the headstone.
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ConservatismNow! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:02:13pm |
re: #495 Gus 802
and Amtrak and commuter trains, though they couldn't necessarily do a lot of damage like a plane would. It'd be mostly an attack on the train itself.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:02:53pm |
re: #472 realwest
Good evening, realwest!
Nice to see you, however briefly. I'm probably headed for bed very soon.
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:03:17pm |
re: #447 Sharmuta
For someone who is so concerned that Charles is posting on topics other than ID, you sure have a funny way of showing your support.
Actually...I really bought the Kindle earlier in the day for my wife. I was bothered by the lack of some internal lighting. When I saw this was a topic I wanted to see what folks had to say about it...Of course topics go off topic and I saw that this and other topics were introduced.
I thought it was a funny way to make my point about the internal lighting...don't ya think?
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:04:06pm |
re: #474 mikeymom
WTF? are you serious? that is outrageous, those bastids!
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:04:14pm |
re: #500 ConservatismNow!
and Amtrak and commuter trains, though they couldn't necessarily do a lot of damage like a plane would. It'd be mostly an attack on the train itself.
True. Would have to be a compact device. Otherwise the alternative would be freight -- gas being one. Or concealing a weapon in an empty box car.
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Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:04:24pm |
re: #450 jcm
Thanks, Wernher von Braun. And thanks, Americans, for being the good guys so that Mr. von Braun and his team surrendered to us rather than the USSR.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:04:45pm |
re: #489 mikeymom
hope you dont reach that point, but when you are in enuf pain, you will!
The trick is talking myself into it before it becomes acute.
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:05:03pm |
re: #499 jcm
Umm- one of the weirdos at lgf2 wants to confiscate the remains of this poor girl.
There is nothing but prayer that can do anything for that poor young woman's soul, but we can try to help others in a similar predicament in her memory, and I think that's a more noble route to take.
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:05:10pm |
re: #453 Catttt
Sony is awesome at design. At support and communication - not so much.
I am Sony'd up in the rest of the house...but I bought the Kindle earlier today...despite my beef about the lighting. I figured , there would be an easy work around
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lostlakehiker Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:05:16pm |
re: #441 Dianna
The jump from "someone ought to do something" and "that someone is me" will always remain large.
On a plane? It's not like you can just stand aside and let it happen and not be involved. If the shoe bomber manages to light the fuse, you DIE.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:05:18pm |
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:05:21pm |
re: #491 tradewind
That is absolutely true. Pre 9/11 when an airliner was highjacked, it was usually with the intention of making the pilot fly to say Cuba or Libya. 9/11 was the first time that airliners were deliberately used to murder innocent civilians or unarmed troops (at the Pentagon).
I can't imagine anyone today not trying to do something to take down the hijacker(s) today on the theory that if you get killed trying, well you were gonna die anyway, at least you TRIED to do something.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:05:36pm |
re: #505 Catttt
Thanks, Wernher von Braun. And thanks, Americans, for being the good guys so that Mr. von Braun and his team surrendered to us rather than the USSR.
They RAN to the American side. Russians killed most of the German soldiers or incarcerated them well into the 1950s.
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Macker Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:05:36pm |
Charles: I heard about some gripe the Authors' Guild has with this device. What's your take on that?
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Bobblehead Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:05:44pm |
re: #492 realwest
Hi Bobblehead! It's COLD - no snow but it's currently 27 and supposedly will be 20 degrees when I wake up in the morning! How are you doing tonight?
Quite well. Off to sleepy land before I succumb to the itch in my finger to hit my Amazon bookmark and order a Kindle. Stay warm. Spring is just around the corner.
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Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:05:51pm |
re: #457 CapeCoddah
I rarely waste my time on idiots. Actually, I never waste my time on idiots. You would be a case in point.
Go to bed. Banister on the stairs - hold onto it. Off you go. Sweet dreams.
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twincitiesgirl Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:05:57pm |
OT-This is very good news, something to take your mind off the relentless stream of bad news aka the big 0.
Antibodies protect against bird flu and more
/so when Barry destroys the world, you will still be around to enjoy the chaos.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:06:12pm |
re: #513 Macker
Charles: I heard about some gripe the Authors' Guild has with this device. What's your take on that?
Not Charles, but linky?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:06:29pm |
re: #485 Gus 802
Yes. Since the 1960s. My thinking on this is that if one wanted to attack again that the logical answer would be not to use an airliner. The options would be other forms of transportation either through container, ship, boat, tanker, etc. So we have to be careful in how many eggs we put into the airline security basket and not avoid funding other potential holes in security.
Law enforcement is expecting "swarm attacks" in which several high-profile targets are all hit at once, like in Mumbai.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:06:48pm |
re: #514 Bobblehead
Quite well. Off to sleepy land before I succumb to the itch in my finger to hit my Amazon bookmark and order a Kindle. Stay warm. Spring is just around the corner.
Garden calling, but too much mud.
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:07:01pm |
re: #510 CynicalConservative
Well- I'm calling in the morning, and I'll report back. I'm hoping they'd be willing to establish a fund in Ms Parvez's name that we could all give to that would go to help muslim women under threat. That shelter helps people from all walks of life, but I found them because they cater to the needs of the growing muslim population in Chicago.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:07:22pm |
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:07:54pm |
re: #485 Gus 802
Who knows what they will try? One thing though, the bastards do love maximum media effect, and so I'm just surprised they haven't made a run at the Super Bowl, or something like that.
Huddled around in those caves, the tapes of 9-11 are played over and over, reliving the glory days. They probably don't want to go for much less.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:08:01pm |
re: #518 Alouette
Law enforcement is expecting "swarm attacks" in which several high-profile targets are all hit at once, like in Mumbai.
Good to know. Important to keep track of the chatter, and retain FISA for the time being.
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Dianna Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:08:22pm |
re: #509 lostlakehiker
On a plane? It's not like you can just stand aside and let it happen and not be involved. If the shoe bomber manages to light the fuse, you DIE.
I agree. But people will freeze, even then.
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ConservatismNow! Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:08:29pm |
re: #513 Macker
Also not Charles, but there's been no ruling for this sort of thing in court, but most likely it'd be ruled in favor of the Kindle makers. It's a text to speech feature, not an audiobook.
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:08:31pm |
re: #457 CapeCoddah
I rarely waste my time on idiots. Actually, I never waste my time on idiots. You would be a case in point.
Very clever...very clever...except....you already wasted your time. And, you called me an Ass. Did you not expect a reply to your annonymous and bullying web presence?
Were you defending the honor of the kindle when I questioned its design flaw or was there something in my statement that bothered you? please elaborate....and feel free to waste time calling me other nasty little words....
your turn....
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:08:52pm |
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:09:14pm |
re: #493 karmic_inquisitor
Hah! Speaketh for thineownself - I sleep on my back!
:)
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Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:09:41pm |
re: #512 Gus 802
They RAN to the American side. Russians killed most of the German soldiers or incarcerated them well into the 1950s.
Oh, yes. That is one of our biggest selling points, you see. We are the good guys.
Via Wiki:
On May 2, 1945, upon finding an American private from the U.S. 44th Infantry Division, von Braun's brother and fellow rocket engineer, Magnus, approached the soldier on a bicycle, calling out in broken English: "My name is Magnus von Braun. My brother invented the V-2. We want to surrender."The American high command was well aware of how important their catch was: von Braun had been at the top of the Black List, the code name for the list of German scientists and engineers targeted for immediate interrogation by U.S. military experts. On June 19, 1945, two days before the scheduled handover of the area to the Soviets, US Army Major Robert B. Staver, Chief of the Jet Propulsion Section of the Research and Intelligence Branch of the US Army Ordnance in London, and Lt Col R. L. Williams took von Braun and his department chiefs by jeep from Garmisch to Munich. The group was flown to Nordhausen, and was evacuated 40 miles (64 km) southwest to Witzenhausen, a small town in the American Zone, the next day.[24] Von Braun was subsequently recruited to the U.S. under Operation Overcast.
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Macker Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:10:00pm |
re: #528 CynicalConservative
My bad because I forgot the link in the first place.
/BUT! YOUR HONOR! I FORGOT Armed Robbery was Illegal
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:10:12pm |
re: #525 Dianna
I agree. But people will freeze, even then.
I'd like to think I wouldn't freeze, but under pressure in a real situation, one never knows. Hopefully I never have to pass that test.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:10:47pm |
re: #498 mikeymom
Well thank you kindly for the prayers and good luck with quitting cigs - chewing gum or stuffing yourself with chips, whatever actually works for you!
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:11:25pm |
re: #527 danrudy
settle down dan--with your karma, i'd just settle down-on to other topics
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jorline Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:11:30pm |
Poll: Politicians trusted more than business leaders on economy
Call it a sign of the times. A new national poll indicates that when it comes to dealing with the economy, Americans have more confidence in the White House and Congress than Wall Street, the banks or auto executives.
"You know times are tough when Republicans have more confidence in a Democratic president than they do in bankers or Wall Street investors, but that's what the poll is showing now," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Among Republicans, 37 percent say they are confident in Obama's ability to make the right economic decisions, but only 31 percent of Republicans feel that way about Wall Street."
Isn't this saying I'd rather have the crabs than the clap?
/
Another round of Cool-Aid on the house.
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J.S. Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:11:46pm |
re: #488 Throbert McGee
Personally, I am bothered by having young girls covering up their hair (it's almost as if they're being sexualized -- having prepubescent youngsters turned into sexual objects...but then, other than rolling my eyes, there's not much that can be done...I wouldn't want to see dictates laid down about the wearing (or not wearing) of scarves...(it's a different story about the full-face covering -- we had problems with that one during voting here -- how to establish one's identity with full face covering, etc.)
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Syrah Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:11:57pm |
Anybody working on an over/under?
I am going to guess within the next 100. Say before #550.
Anyone else?
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:12:06pm |
re: #531 Macker
My bad because I forgot the link in the first place.
/BUT! YOUR HONOR! I FORGOT Armed Robbery was Illegal
To the back of the starbucks line with you! (even if there's nobody else in line).
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:12:07pm |
re: #530 Catttt
Nice. And the rest is history. All the way to the moon.
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:12:27pm |
re: #507 Sharmuta
Umm- one of the weirdos at lgf2 wants to confiscate the remains of this poor girl.
There is nothing but prayer that can do anything for that poor young woman's soul, but we can try to help others in a similar predicament in her memory, and I think that's a more noble route to take.
I understand that.
I'm just thinking, it's very intrusive on the state's part to take a child. After death, it's still intrusive.
I'm also thinking in a cultural context. The prison term is acceptable, the price of family honor. Terminating parental rights, now theirs a loss of face. Which is something that will be understood in a cultural context.
A whole range of laws etc... would have to be enacted. I'm not thinking of grave robbing. I'm thinking of things to do for future cases, things to get the message across cultural lines.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:12:51pm |
re: #501 Dianna
Hi there {Dianna} It's good to see you again - even if it's only briefly cause you gotta get some sleep soon!
How is everything going for you? Well, I hope!
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OldLineTexan Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:13:03pm |
The Kindle 2 page has a high-speed video of a drop test. That's the kind of thing I do for a living. Finally, some relevance!
/
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:13:05pm |
re: #518 Alouette
Law enforcement is expecting "swarm attacks" in which several high-profile targets are all hit at once, like in Mumbai.
I suspect that something like that would go badly for the terrorists in most US cities.
Unlike the police in Mumbai, American cops actually practice regularly with their weapons, wear body armor on duty, and have access to modern communications equipment.
Not to mention the fact that several million Americans have concealed carry permits.
The terrorists would undoubtedly manage to kill a few unarmed people, but the chance of it turning into a multi-day shootout with hundreds of casualties is about zero.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:13:28pm |
re: #529 realwest
Hah! Speaketh for thineownself - I sleep on my back!
:)
LOL. Reminds me of my Platoon Sergeant when I was a butter bar. I complained to him one morning that I had to bunk with the XO and that he snored like a bear.
"That one is easy to fix, sir" he said.
"Really?" I asked.
"Real simple. Just go over to his bunk when you guys put the lights out and give him a big, wet smooch on the cheek and say 'sweet dreams'. He won't sleep a wink."
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:13:30pm |
re: #531 Macker
My bad because I forgot the link in the first place.
/BUT! YOUR HONOR! I FORGOT Armed Robbery was Illegal
You have to elected first. Then it's okey-dokey!
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rawmuse Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:13:34pm |
Believe it or not, I just spent the better part of a day dealing with books, packing them in boxes, and vacuuming the dust bunnies. The Kindle is starting to look appealing.
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jorline Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:13:43pm |
re: #511 realwest
Good evening, RW. Thanks for the email, I will reply tomorrow.
I'm hitting the sack.
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Scion9 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:13:44pm |
re: #512 Gus 802
They RAN to the American side. Russians killed most of the German soldiers or incarcerated them well into the 1950s.
For incarcerated, read: Inducted into slave labor camps.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:14:03pm |
re: #537 Syrah
Anybody working on an over/under?
I am going to guess within the next 100. Say before #550.
Anyone else?
617.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:14:45pm |
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:15:02pm |
re: #503 jcm
Hey jcm! Hope you're well - I noted the date on that was TODAY - or yesterday Eastern Time.
WTH has happened? Anyone from TSA apologize or disciplined yet?
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:15:07pm |
re: #535 jorline
Poll: Politicians trusted more than business leaders on economy
Isn't this saying I'd rather have the crabs than the clap?
/Another round of Cool-Aid on the house.
I miss capitalism.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:15:23pm |
re: #547 rawmuse
Believe it or not, I just spent the better part of a day dealing with books, packing them in boxes, and vacuuming the dust bunnies. The Kindle is starting to look appealing.
Ship those to me, I'm a hardback junkie, need a bigger house to hold my books.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:15:47pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:15:49pm |
re: #540 jcm
I don't disagree that it's sad this young woman is being disrespected in death, but nothing will come of this grave stone matter. I feel it's better to remember her by helping someone like her, and that's my goal in calling this shelter tomorrow.
Other shelters around the country in cities with growing muslim populations may of may not have programs to help these women. Where they exist, they should be supported; where they don't exist, someone should make it point to help the shelter create programs to help.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:16:19pm |
re: #536 J.S.
i think i'd rather see a young girl with a head scarf---than one in low-rider jeans with their belly buttons and naval piercings exposed-jmo
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Sharmuta Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:16:31pm |
re: #537 Syrah
Anybody working on an over/under?
I am going to guess within the next 100. Say before #550.
Anyone else?
#666.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:16:56pm |
re: #549 Scion9
Yes. I read the book by Von Luck. Millions died even ordinary "cooks and runners." the Soviets were very vengeful for decades.
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Syrah Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:17:24pm |
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Macker Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:18:27pm |
re: #546 jcm
You have to elected first. Then it's okey-dokey!
Not if it's Steve Martin from 30 years ago...
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:20:09pm |
re: #534 mikeymom
settle down dan--with your karma, i'd just settle down-on to other topics
re: #544 CynicalConservative
Valium my friend, valium.
Sorry....but I don't take lightly to bullies or hit and runs. Be they in the real world or in virtual space. If Cape wants to spew venom then Cape should expect venom back.
That's all I am saying.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:20:10pm |
re: #525 Dianna Well people might freeze, initially, but I'd bet money that someone(s) would try to jump the hijackers (see my #
511 and see Flight 93).
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:20:57pm |
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:21:03pm |
re: #511 realwest
Well, not the first time, but the first time by an organized terrorist group.
I flew for a major airline until April of 2000, and I promise you that our hijacking protocols, which were developed and implemented with the FBI, were all about pacifying the hijacker re destination, taking them anywhere, and letting the feds handle everything once we got on the ground. There were some veiled references to terrorists who may not fit the profile, but nothing practical.
All that changed completely, and the training did a 180.
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:21:38pm |
re: #525 Dianna
They won't freeze. Maybe one or two, but as a group, not going to happen again.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:21:57pm |
re: #565 danrudy
and pissing contests are soooo much fun and sooo productive!
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jaunte Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:22:00pm |
Reading accessory, for ebooks or conventional:
[Link: www.hogwildtoys.com...]
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:22:04pm |
re: #566 realwest
I had a Twilight Zone thought before. What if the passengers respond and end up crashing the jet. However, it wasn't a hijacking with the intent of crashing into a building or killing the passengers. Just of the "Take this airplane to Cuba" variety.
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:22:10pm |
re: #553 realwest
Hey jcm! Hope you're well - I noted the date on that was TODAY - or yesterday Eastern Time.
WTH has happened? Anyone from TSA apologize or disciplined yet?
Happened Dec. '07. TSA apologized, and "reviewed" the case. Apology contained the usual we have a job to do etc...
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swamprat Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:22:18pm |
re: #567 CynicalConservative
I was told there would be no math!
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:22:19pm |
re: #542 OldLineTexan
Good evening to you OLT! Uh, what is a drop test?!
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:22:23pm |
re: #565 danrudy
Sorry....but I don't take lightly to bullies or hit and runs. Be they in the real world or in virtual space. If Cape wants to spew venom then Cape should expect venom back.
That's all I am saying.
No worries, just jumping in late thread and being snarky, haven't read the back-story. If that's problematic, refer to previous comment.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:22:54pm |
re: #567 CynicalConservative
I'll raise you 23.
/Didn't know there was a math test, didja?
i was told there was NOO math here! (I'm doomed)
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:23:55pm |
re: #545 karmic_inquisitor
ROTLMAO! Unless, of course, he takes umbrage at your smooch on the cheek and beats the snot outta ya!
:)
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danrudy Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:23:59pm |
re: #570 mikeymom
and pissing contests are soooo much fun and sooo productive!
No... they are not. Which is why I don't like to get into them. But, if you piss on me expect some urine back in your direction
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:24:10pm |
re: #574 swamprat
I was told there would be no math!
There is always math! You cannot escape! Your maths are belong to us.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:24:54pm |
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:25:06pm |
re: #548 jorline Hey jorline, my pleasure - get a great night's sleep for a change and write me when you can!
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Charles Johnson Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:25:49pm |
re: #580 danrudy
You've pissed all over this thread enough.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:26:11pm |
re: #580 danrudy
No... they are not. Which is why I don't like to get into them. But, if you piss on me expect some urine back in your direction
how mature of you! (stepping back-far away- i have a handicap--only pee downward)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:27:40pm |
re: #487 Gus 802
What happened on BART?
A woman in hijab and a long skirt put a small package on the car I was on, and walked away.
Someone got up and put the package off the car.
Woman noted this, and came running back, but did not get the item back into the car before the door closed.
For the ride under the Bay, we ring repeatedly for the driver. No go. Someone tries to call the station. No go.
Once in San Francisco, I and another passenger go stamping upstairs, and try to explain the situation to the most clueless BART official and eventually her boss that I have ever dealt with.
I finally have to say "Look, we're fine. My concern is that this thing, whatever it is, doesn't get on another train."
When I describe what the woman was wearing, the BART lady says 'Like a burqa.'
I say, "No, with only her hair covered."
BART lady says, "But that kind of an outfit?"
"Sure."
"Well, that makes it more frightening, doesn't it?" And all I can think is, lady, if I want therapy, I'll buy it myself...
We left names, numbers. They just seemed...clueless.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:28:13pm |
re: #584 Charles
You've pissed all over this thread enough.
Guess my snark was on-target. Have to read the rest of the up-thread.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:28:54pm |
re: #584 Charles
You've pissed all over this thread enough.
Hope I didn't quote any deletable spew, if so, apologies.
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:28:55pm |
re: #572 Gus 802
The passengers won't have to take the lead, because the crew is already going to have them motivated and working . Just as flight attendants have always picked out 'crash buddies' from boarding passengers (people to go to and re-seat at exits in a planned emergency because they appear capable and able bodied/experienced), they now are making mental notes of passengers to contact first in a hijacking emergency to use as quasi ' block captains'. And while the only actual weapons are in the cockpit, cabin crews now are aware of what they can use as weapons from normal equipment.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:29:27pm |
re: #587 SanFranciscoZionist
Ouch. Bet your heart was going 100 mph. Unfortunately they are clueless sometimes. Almost like they just got up from a nap.
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:29:44pm |
re: #587 SanFranciscoZionist
Remember, you were dealing with employees of the same organization that hires cops who can't tell the difference between a taser and a Glock.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:31:35pm |
re: #590 tradewind
The passengers won't have to take the lead, because the crew is already going to have them motivated and working . Just as flight attendants have always picked out 'crash buddies' from boarding passengers (people to go to and re-seat at exits in a planned emergency because they appear capable and able bodied/experienced), they now are making mental notes of passengers to contact first in a hijacking emergency to use as quasi ' block captains'. And while the only actual weapons are in the cockpit, cabin crews now are aware of what they can use as weapons from normal equipment.
plastic forks? peanut bags? ////////////?
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:32:06pm |
re: #571 jaunte Hi Juante!
Hey thanks for that link - not so much for the book pillows, but they've got some cool pens: one-arm bandit pens, watergun pens! LOL!
How are you doing tonight my friend?
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lobo91 Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:33:10pm |
re: #593 mikeymom
plastic forks? peanut bags? ////////////?
Ever been hit over the head with a full soft drink can in a plastic bag, so it can be swung like a club?
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:33:20pm |
re: #590 tradewind
OK, been a while since I've flown. I used to make a mental note of the emergency exit. For standard purposes they suggest you be able to count the seats from yours to the nearest exit. Of course that depends if the seats survive the impact.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:33:24pm |
re: #573 jcm Ah, I thought the date on top said February 23, 2009! My bad.
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rawmuse Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:33:34pm |
re: #556 CynicalConservative
Ship those to me, I'm a hardback junkie, need a bigger house to hold my books.
Could I interest you in my college alumni directory from 1981? It has scarcely been cracked. The condition is as new.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:34:15pm |
re: #499 jcm
My idea this morning was:
If a father abuses a 16 year and the mother knows about it and does nothing. The 16 can be removed from the home and parental rights terminated.
Why not posthumously?
In the culture that would be a huge loss of face and honor. To add to it a appropriate inscription could then go on the headstone.
Great, I can have dead foster children. They're so much easier to care for than the living ones. Quiet, too.
What would the justification for such an action be? In the case of a living child, it's to protect the child. That is clearly now beyond the court's jurisdiction.
We do not do things through the courts simply to shame people, based on some idea of 'culture'.
And I assume that if the body were in the custody of the court, the court would still not permit a monument to be erected by strangers with a political interest in the case, particularly since I believe the murder trial of the girl's father is still pending.
That's why not.
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:35:06pm |
re: #598 rawmuse
Could I interest you in my college alumni directory from 1981? It has scarcely been cracked. The condition is as new.
Hmmm, might have to qualify my interests there a bit.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:35:11pm |
re: #595 lobo91
Ever been hit over the head with a full soft drink can in a plastic bag, so it can be swung like a club?
mikeydad did that last week-barely left a bruise--now a half gallon boubon bottle--thats a weapon!//////////
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:35:47pm |
re: #593 mikeymom
plastic forks? peanut bags? ////////////?
Lots of things.
Shoelaces, belts, pens, pencils, keys, or anything that can be thrown to get you on top of the 'jacker, then get a thumb in the eye.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:36:01pm |
re: #572 Gus 802 Well, "Twilight Zone" thought or not, I have a feeling that the hijackings of old (pre-9/11) are a thing of the past. And ya know, if I was on the plane and had the chance to kill or disable the hijacker I would. If it turned out he was just trying to get to Cuba, no problem, plane doesn't crash at all.
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:37:28pm |
re: #599 SanFranciscoZionist
Great, I can have dead foster children. They're so much easier to care for than the living ones. Quiet, too.
What would the justification for such an action be? In the case of a living child, it's to protect the child. That is clearly now beyond the court's jurisdiction.
We do not do things through the courts simply to shame people, based on some idea of 'culture'.
And I assume that if the body were in the custody of the court, the court would still not permit a monument to be erected by strangers with a political interest in the case, particularly since I believe the murder trial of the girl's father is still pending.
That's why not.
Good points.
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mikeymom Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:38:10pm |
goodnight friends--lack o'nicotine is befuddeling my brain--bless you good folks and see ya soon!
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:38:16pm |
re: #603 realwest
Well, "Twilight Zone" thought or not, I have a feeling that the hijackings of old (pre-9/11) are a thing of the past. And ya know, if I was on the plane and had the chance to kill or disable the hijacker I would. If it turned out he was just trying to get to Cuba, no problem, plane doesn't crash at all.
'zactly.
Next 'jacker's gonna' be lucky to survive the attempt.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:39:11pm |
re: #591 Gus 802
Ouch. Bet your heart was going 100 mph. Unfortunately they are clueless sometimes. Almost like they just got up from a nap.
re: #592 lobo91
Remember, you were dealing with employees of the same organization that hires cops who can't tell the difference between a taser and a Glock.
Too true.
It was definately an interesting afternoon.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:39:14pm |
re: #593 mikeymom
Oh heck, a pen or pencil would do - if you even needed a weapon!
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rawmuse Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:39:15pm |
re: #603 realwest
Heck, the way things are headed, you won't have to hijack a plane to Cuba. We're already there.
BTW, can somebody tell me what happened, where if you want to be a free market capitalist today, you have to go to China?
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CynicalConservative Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:39:16pm |
re: #605 mikeymom
goodnight friends--lack o'nicotine is befuddeling my brain--bless you good folks and see ya soon!
Still gotta work on that one too. Good onYa!
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:39:23pm |
re: #603 realwest
True. Think I heard the other day that the probability of falling victim to a terrorist attack is equal to that of being hit by a meteorite so I think I'll be OK.
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:41:46pm |
OK, I better start looking at the sky and see if there is a meteorite heading my way.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:42:17pm |
re: #609 rawmuse
Hi rawmuse! Well first there was the CRA, then - fast forwarding here - Obama got elected! Simple.
But nice irony there!
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:43:11pm |
re: #612 Gus 802
Nah, just get a really BIG golf type umbrella, you'll be fine!
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:43:27pm |
re: #593 mikeymom
I could tell you but then I'd have to hit you with a _______. (JK)
A little more substantial than the plastic cutlery. Actually, some of it is stuff we used to get hurt with occasionally and complain about as being ' lethal'.
Seriously, don't worry about this when thinking about flying. My husband was flying an Amsterdam trip on 9-11 that turned into a ten day stuck-there, and before they were even cleared to fly back to the states, the airline had briefings on new security procedures shared by a secure feed to AMS ops.
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Cheeseland Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:43:53pm |
re: #596 Gus 802
OK, been a while since I've flown. I used to make a mental note of the emergency exit. For standard purposes they suggest you be able to count the seats from yours to the nearest exit. Of course that depends if the seats survive the impact.
If the seats do not survive, It is going to be hard to remember how to count.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:44:37pm |
re: #616 Cheeseland
Hate to say it, but if the plane crashes I'm not so sure I'd remember the number of seat rows!
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:45:19pm |
re: #616 Cheeseland
I could always pop open a golf sized umbrella and levitate myself away from the debris.
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:45:55pm |
re: #602 jcm
Think bigger/heavier also.
There's heavy artillery in the galley.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:49:42pm |
re: #620 Gus 802 Quite possibly. But since he can no longer post, I'd suggest we stop talking about him; not defending what he said or Charles blocking him, just that he can't answer any questions or comments we might make.
BTW, do you know if blocking is the same as banning?
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:50:26pm |
re: #619 tradewind
Think bigger/heavier also.
There's heavy artillery in the galley.
Nice pot of hot coffee couldn't hurt either........
;-)
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:51:00pm |
re: #621 realwest
Quite possibly. But since he can no longer post, I'd suggest we stop talking about him; not defending what he said or Charles blocking him, just that he can't answer any questions or comments we might make.
BTW, do you know if blocking is the same as banning?
Yep Blocked / Banned same thing.
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realwest Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:51:29pm |
re: #622 jcm All good ideas, but all you really need is a pen or pencil. And those you can bring on board!
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Gus Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:52:07pm |
re: #621 realwest
Quite possibly. But since he can no longer post, I'd suggest we stop talking about him; not defending what he said or Charles blocking him, just that he can't answer any questions or comments we might make.
BTW, do you know if blocking is the same as banning?
I think banning shows up with deleted posts. Blocking might be temporary? I really don't know.
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Archimedes Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:55:24pm |
re: #578 jcm
Reporters are smart enough to tell us what the news is right?
Amazing, so reality oriented even a train barreling down on her isn't noticed until the last second. Weird.
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jcm Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:56:31pm |
re: #625 Gus 802
I think banning shows up with deleted posts. Blocking might be temporary? I really don't know.
Depending on the infraction, a nice email to Charles has resurrected a few.
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Catttt Mon, Feb 23, 2009 9:57:08pm |
re: #539 Gus 802
Nice. And the rest is history. All the way to the moon.
I admit it - I'm a space geek. I joined the National Space Institute in junior high - we got a space pen engraved with Mr. von Braun's signature.
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:06:12pm |
re: #616 Cheeseland
You don't need to know how many rows..... likely you'll either see the exit (day) or if it's night, the emergency lights come on automatically independent of power or conditions on the airplane, and they'll point to them. You do need to have a general orientation of where you are in relation to all the exits, and know that usually, you won't be heading for the door from which you boarded.
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tradewind Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:07:10pm |
re: #622 jcm
You betcha. And the damn pot weighs a freaking ton.
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Cheeseland Mon, Feb 23, 2009 10:09:37pm |
re: #630 tradewind
I completely agree. I just think that if the airplane is no longer intact, I am going to need a lot of help moving anywhere.
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RandyinWash Mon, Feb 23, 2009 11:12:42pm |
Mine is supposed to be here this week, the 26th. I'm out of town so I figure my wife will load the thing up. I hope it works as well as I've heard. There are a number of classics that I want to put on it that I haven't read or read a long time ago. I'm a bit bummed that new books are $10 when the paperback versions are $14 - $16. Classics are cheap, though! It would also be nice if I could "beam" a book from me to someone else and the kindle would take it out of my account and put in theirs. Sort of like lending someone a paperback.
I have a friend of the family that has a budding business putting older books that are out of copyright into electronic format. I'll see if they've seen this and what their thoughts are for publishing to this format. They've done it mostly for historical texts and early US history texts. Very interesting stuff.
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