I do not like green eggs and sham.

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

nothing good can come of this...

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

yes

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

Neither. He knows what he's doing...

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

I am beginning to think he is neither, but he is evil.
20 years of sermons that said "G-d damn America! G-d damn Israel!"
Now, he thinks he's god and he's going to damn both countries.

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

All of the above.

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

Yes.

Abbas insist that any negotiations with hamas must be conducted in buildings with no more than one story.

re: #7 Kosh's Shadow

I am beginning to think he is neither, but he is evil.
20 years of sermons that said "G-d damn America! G-d damn Israel!"
Now, he thinks he's god and he's going to damn both countries.

I just can't fathom anyone doing the things he does. To me it's sheer insanity; I find it hard to believe he actually rationalizes his decisions. Good grief, partnering up with terrorists; it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that it's a bad f---ing idea.

Since Bibi is likely to form the next Israeli gov't, the PLO and Hamas are eager to form a string front not as much to combat Israel in a future war but to rally the Obama admin and the spineless Europeans to their cause and further isolate Israel. It might just work..

Hamas gets along really well with the Abbas government. Just as long as Abbas and his men STFU and get out of the way...

Obama is trying to spring Marwan Barghouti:

Truce deal could mean return of Palestinian leader

By BEN HUBBARD and MOHAMMED DARAGHMEH – 10 hours ago

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — While a possible Israeli-Palestinian prisoner swap focuses on a famous Israeli soldier, the prisoner most likely to affect the direction of Mideast peace is a brash and chubby Palestinian long seen as a potential successor to his people's aging president.
Marwan Barghouti is the most popular Palestinian leader since Yasser Arafat. He has spent the last seven years in an Israeli prison after being convicted of playing a role in attacks that killed four Israelis and a Greek monk.

[Link: www.google.com...]

PLO Hamas coalition? I'd sooner believe in Xenu.

Obama is living a dying hope. Hamas and Fatah are deadly enemies. Bloods and Crips have a better chance to unite than Hamas and Fatah.

So, we won't negotiate with terrorist groups. But a coalition of terrorist groups is okay.

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

Yes

re: #7 Kosh's Shadow

I am beginning to think he is neither, but he is evil.
20 years of sermons that said "G-d damn America! G-d damn Israel!"
Now, he thinks he's god and he's going to damn both countries.

You can't sit there for 20 years and not be affected by that kind of hate. He sat there and even more telling for me, he had his kids sitting there listening to that crap. Don't think for one minute he is not 100% onboard with that hate fest.

How did we end up with rank amateurs running America?

re: #21 Racer X

How did we end up with rank amateurs running America?

Rank amateurs voted in droves.

From the last line of the article:

Hamas does not recognise the authority of the PLO...

Seems we've hit a minor snag in the plan.

Welcome back Carter.
(I know this is not an original statement, but it fits here, very nicely)

re: #21 Racer X

Two words

American Idol.

re: #21 Racer X

Democracy, of course.

re: #20 JohnnyReb

You can't sit there for 20 years and not be affected by that kind of hate. He sat there and even more telling for me, he had his kids sitting there listening to that crap. Don't think for one minute he is not 100% onboard with that hate fest.

He has proven it, with the delegates to the Durban II meetings apologizing.

Hamas does not recognise the authority of the PLO...

Nor do they recognize Israel. Nor will they ever -- the most fundamental basis for the existence is Hamas is their explicit dedication to the destruction of Israel.

Obama administration support for a Palestinian government that includes Hamas is Obama administration support for the destruction of Israel. It's just that simple.

re: #21 Racer X

How did we end up with rank amateurs running America?

Hillary Clinton is not an amateur at being ineffective and wrong.

Well, President Obama is turning out to be just as naive and inexperienced as we all feared he was.

It's going to be a long four years.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

It's the Middle East Stupid.

re: #23 subsailor68

From the last line of the article:

Hamas does not recognise the authority of the PLO...

Seems we've hit a minor snag in the plan.

“We want to see the formation of a Palestinian national unity government or a government of national consensus —..."

And I wonder what that consensus, might be...

re: #25 bulwrk

Two words

American Idol.

American Idol

re: #29 Last Mohican

Nor do they recognize Israel. Nor will they ever -- the most fundamental basis for the existence is Hamas is their explicit dedication to the destruction of Israel.

Obama administration support for a Palestinian government that includes Hamas is Obama administration support for the destruction of Israel. It's just that simple.

At some point American Jews will make up to the fact that Barack Obama does not have their best interest at heart.

Anybody who knew the people surrounding Obama saw this coming a year ago. This is no surprise. It's disgusting and insulting, but no surprise. If anybody were to say they are surprised in my presence, I do and would rip em a new one. I just will not tolerate fools in this subject.

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

No. The people who voted for him were.

re: #10 bulwrk

Abbas insist that any negotiations with hamas must be conducted in buildings with no more than one story.

I was racking my brain trying to figure out how to work that in. Upding.

re: #33 Dustyvet

Heh, heh. Perfect. And I love the irony of Porky Pig sayin' it.

;-)

What's in that video which the LA Times refuses to release?

re: #31 Ringo the Gringo

Well, President Obama is turning out to be just as naive and inexperienced as we all feared he was.

It's going to be a long four years.

Ringo, he is not naive, he knows exactly what he is doing.
Right out of the Saul Alinsky playbook.

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

Neither, I think. Obama has spent his whole adult life as a member of an anti-Jewish racist hate group, and affirming his affiliation and agreement with academics and politicians who favor the destruction of Israel.

Why should it come as any sort of surprise that, as president, his policy is the same as it was before he was president?

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No. The people who voted for him were.

Obama really has no idea what is going on in the Middle East. He is a fool. That doesn't forgive the fools who voted for him, but he is really ignorant of Middle East History and customs.

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

Both ... and ...

Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome each time is called insanity.

re: #41 subsailor68

Heh, heh. Perfect. And I love the irony of Porky Pig sayin' it.

;-)

Try this one...:)

re: #38 Nevergiveup

Anybody who knew the people surrounding Obama saw this coming a year ago. This is no surprise. It's disgusting and insulting, but no surprise. If anybody were to say they are surprised in my presence, I do and would rip em a new one. I just will not tolerate fools in this subject.

When a man tells you who he is, believe him.

re: #46 Bobibutu

Both ... and ...

Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome each time is called insanity.

And Democratic party Policy

re: #11 Jetpilot1101

I just can't fathom anyone doing the things he does. To me it's sheer insanity; I find it hard to believe he actually rationalizes his decisions. Good grief, partnering up with terrorists; it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that it's a bad f---ing idea.

LOL!

re: #43 smokefire

Ringo, he is not naive, he knows exactly what he is doing.
Right out of the Saul Alinsky playbook.

Regarding the economy I would agree. As for foreign policy, I think he truly is naive.

The PLO will want their part deposited into Swiss banks.

Can you say fat chance!

re: #44 Last Mohican

I cannot upding you enough.

re: #48 MandyManners

When a man tells you who he is, believe him.

Exactly! And you can also judge a man by who he hangs out with. Need I say more?

I always hate to reveal my own ignorance, but I don't understand something.
I thought the PLO encompassed BOTH Fatah and Hamas and in their "free, democratic elections" the Palestinians had elected Hamas to run the PLO.
Is Fatah the same as the PLO?

The old try and bribe them into liking you trick, eh?

Bad news President Agent 86, they will take your money and spend it on weapons and/or enrich themselves. It is not difficult to see this, is it?

re: #48 MandyManners

When a man tells you who he is, believe him.

Hitler did it in his book. He spelled everything right out and you know what? nobody believed him either. People can be pretty stupid can't they?

What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

Obama could easily blow his own political nuts off before his first term is over.

re: #55 Nevergiveup

Exactly! And you can also judge a man by who he hangs out with. Need I say more?

Nope.. I hang out with Brazilian Super Models and midgets..In no particular order..
/

I'm going long on smoke and mirrors! Buy, buy, buy! ;-)

re: #15 MJ

Obama is trying to spring Marwan Barghouti:

Truce deal could mean return of Palestinian leader

By BEN HUBBARD and MOHAMMED DARAGHMEH – 10 hours ago

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — While a possible Israeli-Palestinian prisoner swap focuses on a famous Israeli soldier, the prisoner most likely to affect the direction of Mideast peace is a brash and chubby Palestinian long seen as a potential successor to his people's aging president.
Marwan Barghouti is the most popular Palestinian leader since Yasser Arafat. He has spent the last seven years in an Israeli prison after being convicted of playing a role in attacks that killed four Israelis and a Greek monk.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Maybe Barghouti could have an accident in the shower?

/slip and fall?

re: #51 Ringo the Gringo

Regarding the economy I would agree. As for foreign policy, I think he truly is naive.

Ringo, we will agree to disagree. As posted by LastMohican, he has spent his adult life in a church that espouses Anti-Israel, Anti-Jewish policy, has cavorted with Bill Ahyers, who hates this country and would rather see it brought down. Nope Ringo, he knows exactly what he is doing re:foreign policy, and that is destroy this country.

re: #62 quickjustice

I'm going long on smoke and mirrors! Buy, buy, buy! ;-)

I'm shorting common sense, should make a killing.

re: #44 Last Mohican
Great comment. Wish I could give you more than one upding.

re: #11 Jetpilot1101

I just can't fathom anyone doing the things he does. To me it's sheer insanity; I find it hard to believe he actually rationalizes his decisions. Good grief, partnering up with terrorists; it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that it's a bad f---ing idea.

I think there's a strong possibility that he's delusional. Not in a clinically pathological way but similar to many Hollywood types who because of constant adoration, get a totally over-inflated view of themselves and their importance.
Think of it - Obama has really done nothing and while we conservatives lament that, I am sure that deep down he knows it. His rise to the highest pinnacle of power has to have had an influence on what was already an arrogant over inflated ego and fuels a sense of infallibility.
Not that I'm a shrink or anything like that but just my observation...

re: #56 realwest

I always hate to reveal my own ignorance, but I don't understand something.
I thought the PLO encompassed BOTH Fatah and Hamas and in their "free, democratic elections" the Palestinians had elected Hamas to run the PLO.
Is Fatah the same as the PLO?

No, they are not the same, although they have been affiliated with each other over the years. They are deadly enemies. For starters, Fatah is secular/socialist and Hamas is Islamic. Hamas is a branch of the Egyptian Brotherhood, the half-brother of Al Queda. Fatah and the EB have been allies only out of necessity. Each fears the other.

re: #57 Desert Dog

The old try and bribe them into liking you trick, eh?

Bad news President Agent 86, they will take your money and spend it on weapons and/or enrich themselves. It is not difficult to see this, is it?

Not a problem. We will appoint a bribe Czar to follow the money and make sure they aren't turning their heat up or eating whatever they want. /

re: #56 realwest

I always hate to reveal my own ignorance, but I don't understand something.
I thought the PLO encompassed BOTH Fatah and Hamas and in their "free, democratic elections" the Palestinians had elected Hamas to run the PLO.
Is Fatah the same as the PLO?

No not really. Fatah is a part of what was the PLO. Hamas is another organization all together. The name for the "thing" that rules the Palestinians supposedly is called the "Palestinian Authority" or also called the "PA" . Hamas defeated Fatah in the elections to see who controls the "PA".

re: #57 Desert Dog

The old try and bribe them into liking you trick, eh?

Obama is under the impression that if you just give a whore enough money, she'll eventually come to respect you as a man. Um... doesn't work that way.

re: #59 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

Obama could easily blow his own political nuts off before his first term is over.

What nuts?

re: #67 LGoPs

I think there's a strong possibility that he's delusional. Not in a clinically pathological way but similar to many Hollywood types who because of constant adoration, get a totally over-inflated view of themselves and their importance.
Think of it - Obama has really done nothing and while we conservatives lament that, I am sure that deep down he knows it. His rise to the highest pinnacle of power has to have had an influence on what was already an arrogant over inflated ego and fuels a sense of infallibility.
Not that I'm a shrink or anything like that but just my observation...

He's a narcissist.

re: #71 Lizard by the Bay

Obama is under the impression that if you just give a whore enough money, she'll eventually come to respect you as a man. Um... doesn't work that way.

It doesn't? Ah Oh.
/

re: #72 pink freud

What nuts?

I assume the ones that Michelle carries around in her purse.

That dippo Bernanake says the recession may end this year. I think he's bloody delusional. Obama is doing what he can to prolong the recession to enact his power grab.

re: #61 HoosierHoops

Nope.. I hang out with Brazilian Super Models and midgets..In no particular order..
/

Munchkin Lover...:)

/S

re: #61 HoosierHoops

Nope.. I hang out with Brazilian Super Models and midgets..In no particular order..
/

Right. And you likely fall somewhere in the middle. So the theory works.

*runs to look for brain bleach after image of you in the middle of a bunch of Brazilian Super Models and midgets comes to mind.

re: #68 Golem Akbar
and
re: #70 Nevergiveup
Thank you both for the education!

This used to be Hollywood:

re: #70 Nevergiveup

hey it is easier now, than in the 70's
PLO, PLFP, Black September, there were more, were'nt there?

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

"But, he's black, and blacks and Jews were friendly during the Civil Rights Movement! OK, Obama was an infant then, but surely he feels the connection! And he has Rahm Emmanuel as his Chief of Staff, so what could go wrong? Samantha Power? Brzezinski? Reverend Wright? Rashid Khalidi? Bill Ayers? They're unimportant; he has Emmanuel on his staff! And he spoke nicely to AIPAC, too! The Democrats have always supported Israel, so everything will be fine!"

--liberal American Jews

People might think your kidding. Everything you said is dead on.

OT have you see this?

The box in the upper right corner. . .:) BINGO. . .

re: #72 pink freud

What nuts?

(-:
Please note that I used the word "nuts" ... not balls.
/not testicles, either

re: #82 smokefire

hey it is easier now, than in the 70's
PLO, PLFP, Black September, there were more, were'nt there?

PDFLP.

re: #69 Ford_Prefect

Not a problem. We will appoint a bribe Czar to follow the money and make sure they aren't turning their heat up or eating whatever they want. /

and...inflating the tires of their troops transports properly...oops, I mean Ambulances

re: #85 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(-:
Please note that I used the word "nuts" ... not balls.
/not testicles, either

Acorns? :)

Hamas may play along for a while, but the Islamists have no real interest in being partners with anyone.

And, of course, the PLO is an Islamist organization as well.

re: #80 realwest

and
re: #70 Nevergiveup
Thank you both for the education!

You could read this, also. But reading LGF is a good primer.

re: #71 Lizard by the Bay

Obama is under the impression that if you just give a whore enough money, she'll eventually come to respect you as a man. Um... doesn't work that way.

No, he and his ilk believe if you give them enough money, they can be like Eliza Doolittle. . .and become something other than what they are. . .

For a capitalist hating jag- he sure does love the high life. . .arugala scarfing asshat. . .shesh

re: #88 Dustyvet

Acorns? :)

Interesting connection between metaphors, there.

re: #82 smokefire

hey it is easier now, than in the 70's
PLO, PLFP, Black September, there were more, were'nt there?

Yes and still are. Some just don't choose to participate in the Palestinian Authority. And Black September is the PLO.

re: #77 acwgusa

That dippo Bernanake says the recession may end this year. I think he's bloody delusional. Obama is doing what he can to prolong the recession to enact his power grab.

While I think you're right, I am at least glad to see one official take this position - if only to offset the fear and panic somewhat. If you only look at the MFM, and to a certain extent Drudge, you end up wanting to crawl under a blanket somewhere.

Thanks Ben Bernanke, for at least giving it a shot!

I've got to sign off but here is my parting shot (not my original work but the work of a Lizard whose name escapes me):

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

Adios

re: #88 Dustyvet

Acorns? :)

Good one.

Well y'all it's been grand and educational as usual, but I gotta go eat some lunch and etc.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road tonight.

re: #63 Ward Cleaver

Maybe Barghouti could have an accident in the shower?

/slip and fall?

I think it's becoming clear where we are headed with Obama:

I. Barghouti replaces Abbas

II. PLO and Hamas form coalition.

III. American aid money flows to new coalition government.

IV. American threaten new Israeli government with weapons cut-off under the guise of Human Rights Violation.

V. American Government re-establishes diplomatic relations with Iran.

VI. Iranians test nuclear weapon.

Why don't Jewish Democrats speak up?

1) The administration is participating in Durban II prepatory sessions.
2) The administration appointed Chas Freeman to a top intelligence post.
3) The administration is wants to give nearly $1 billion to Hamas. (It might not get to Hamas directly, but will get to Hamas some way.)

From what I can see the only prominent Jewish pro-Israel, pro-Obama supporter who is questioning the administration is Martin Peretz.

There is a disturbing pattern here. (Yes I know the Bush administration was much too accepting of Hamas.)

But how can you explain away all three things? Plus considering the rapproachment between Fatah and Hamas a positive step for peace.

re: #79 Ford_Prefect

Right. And you likely fall somewhere in the middle. So the theory works.

*runs to look for brain bleach after image of you in the middle of a bunch of Brazilian Super Models and midgets comes to mind.

I really should have layed off the coffee after lunch...
/

re: #98 MJ

I think it's becoming clear where we are headed with Obama:

I. Barghouti replaces Abbas

II. PLO and Hamas form coalition.

III. American aid money flows to new coalition government.

IV. American threaten new Israeli government with weapons cut-off under the guise of Human Rights Violation.

V. American Government re-establishes diplomatic relations with Iran.

VI. Iranians test nuclear weapon.

I'd like to ague with you, but it looks about right to me.

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Is Obama naive, stupid or both?

I don't think he's either. I think he subscribes to an extreme left wing ideology that includes the notion that there is no such thing as a bad terrorist, they're only misunderstood.

re: #99 dhg4

Why don't Jewish Democrats speak up?

1) The administration is participating in Durban II prepatory sessions.
2) The administration appointed Chas Freeman to a top intelligence post.
3) The administration is wants to give nearly $1 billion to Hamas. (It might not get to Hamas directly, but will get to Hamas some way.)

From what I can see the only prominent Jewish pro-Israel, pro-Obama supporter who is questioning the administration is Martin Peretz.

There is a disturbing pattern here. (Yes I know the Bush administration was much too accepting of Hamas.)

But how can you explain away all three things? Plus considering the rapproachment between Fatah and Hamas a positive step for peace.

How can Jewish Democrats justify voting for him in the first place?

re: #67 LGoPs

I think there's a strong possibility that he's delusional. Not in a clinically pathological way but similar to many Hollywood types who because of constant adoration, get a totally over-inflated view of themselves and their importance.
Think of it - Obama has really done nothing and while we conservatives lament that, I am sure that deep down he knows it. His rise to the highest pinnacle of power has to have had an influence on what was already an arrogant over inflated ego and fuels a sense of infallibility.
Not that I'm a shrink or anything like that but just my observation...

We can observe this syndrome in self important local and state employees we come across and particularly at airports ... ever innocently run afowl of a HS dropout TSA nutcake?

re: #91 DisturbedEma

For a capitalist hating jag- he sure does love the high life. . .arugala scarfing asshat. . .shesh

But that's not truly hypocritical of him. After all, Monarchs love the high life too, and they're not usually Capitalists.

Ever want to eves drop on Kieth Ellison and Brian Braird getting a UN tour of Gaza?

At about 8:20 he talks about the indiscriminate and needless destruction of infrastructure which he says is more barbaric than Iraq. Unfortunately the tape cuts off once he really gets rolling.

re: #103 Desert Dog

How can Jewish Democrats justify voting for him in the first place?

Self-delusion.

re: #102 dhg4

I don't think he's either. I think he subscribes to an extreme left wing ideology that includes the notion that there is no such thing as a bad terrorist, they're only misunderstood.

"Moral equivalence" and "Honest Broker" here we come! Or here we are!

re: #69 Ford_Prefect

Not a problem. We will appoint a bribe Czar to follow the money and make sure they aren't turning their heat up or eating whatever they want. /

Carter would be suitable to send to Gaza.

re: #59 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Obama could easily blow his own political nuts off before his first term is over.

He'll have to find out where Michelle has hidden them first.

re: #110 Kosh's Shadow

Carter would be suitable to send to Gaza.

With suitcases full of cash.

re: #104 Bobibutu

We can observe this syndrome in self important local and state employees we come across and particularly at airports ... ever innocently run afowl of a HS dropout TSA nutcake?

I am in the Air Freight biz and I deal with the TSA on a daily basis and face weekly audits...the agents I deal with are pretty good, it's their bosses in Washington that scare the hell out of me...not the Barney Fife's manning the xray machines.

re: #98 MJ

I think it's becoming clear where we are headed with Obama:

I. Barghouti replaces Abbas

II. PLO and Hamas form coalition.

III. American aid money flows to new coalition government.

IV. American threaten new Israeli government with weapons cut-off under the guise of Human Rights Violation.

V. American Government re-establishes diplomatic relations with Iran.

VI. Iranians test nuclear weapon.

VII. PLO and Hamas have falling out

VIII. Israel smokes Iran's nuke

IX. Bibi tells Obama to get fu*ked

re: #111 bulwrk

Obama could easily blow his own political nuts off before his first term is over.

He'll have to find out where Michelle has hidden them first.

I think she used the Slapchop on them.

re: #111 bulwrk

Obama could easily blow his own political nuts off before his first term is over.

He'll have to find out where Michelle has hidden them first.

Try the Lincoln bedroom, in the sock drawer...

/S

re: #99 dhg4

Why don't Jewish Democrats speak up?

1) The administration is participating in Durban II prepatory sessions.
2) The administration appointed Chas Freeman to a top intelligence post.
3) The administration is wants to give nearly $1 billion to Hamas. (It might not get to Hamas directly, but will get to Hamas some way.)

From what I can see the only prominent Jewish pro-Israel, pro-Obama supporter who is questioning the administration is Martin Peretz.

There is a disturbing pattern here. (Yes I know the Bush administration was much too accepting of Hamas.)

But how can you explain away all three things? Plus considering the rapproachment between Fatah and Hamas a positive step for peace.

You need to add the recent appointment of Bruce Reidel:

President Obama named Bruce Riedel, a former CIA official and Brooking Institution scholar, to head up a review team for overhauling U.S. policy toward Afghanistan and Pakistan. Riedel sees the Palestinian issue as the cure-all for all problems in the Middle East:

An Obama Adviser's Not-So-Bright Idea for Winning in Afghanistan

Ultimately, the solution in Afghanistan may involve solving the age-old conflict between the Arab states and Israel, says administration adviser Riedel in a book published by the Brookings Institution, a foreign-policy think tank, last year. Al Qaeda, and the Taliban to some extent, continue to be motivated by the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians, Riedel argues. If that conflict is resolved, Al Qaeda may go away.
"If Palestinians choose to make peace with Israel, the most fundamental point of Al Qaeda's narrative becomes irrelevant," Riedel writes. "In other words, making peace between Israelis and Arabs is not only wise policy in its own right, but also an extremely useful strategy for pulling the rug out from under Al Qaeda."

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

re: #98 MJ

I think it's becoming clear where we are headed with Obama:

I. Barghouti replaces Abbas

II. PLO and Hamas form coalition.

III. American aid money flows to new coalition government.

IV. American threaten new Israeli government with weapons cut-off under the guise of Human Rights Violation.

V. American Government re-establishes diplomatic relations with Iran.

VI. Iranians test nuclear weapon.

You stopped too soon:

VII. Israel attacks Iran to save themselves.

VIII. UN condemns Israel, throws it out, and recognizes "Palestine". The 0bama administration votes "yes" to this resolution.

re: #114 smokefire

VII. PLO and Hamas have falling out

VIII. Israel smokes Iran's nuke

IX. Bibi tells Obama to get fu*ked

I'm hoping Step IX happens before some of the others.

re: #103 Desert Dog

How can Jewish Democrats justify voting for him in the first place?

I can only speak for myself, but I have lost most of my liberal Jewish friends. Personally I can't stand being around them. I mention Liberal Jewish Friends first since I am Jewish and that was your question, but I can't stand to be around my other past liberal non Jewish friends either. I'm an equal opportunity hater.

re: #103 Desert Dog

How can Jewish Democrats justify voting for him in the first place?

They pointed to his condemnation of Hezbollah in 2006 or his speech at AIPAC and ignored everything else. Anyway, if you're interested, here's the now doubtful Peretz from Jan 2008.

If you ask me, he was fooling himself and I think you'd agree.

re: #99 dhg4

Chas has some interesting friends.

The Council of National Interest is run by Paul Findley, former Congressman and long-time anti-Israel activist. The CNI sponsors full-page ads replete with anti-Semitic imagery, sponsors rallies against Israel, and lobbies Congressmen to not support the American-Israeli relationship.

Who else was at this conference? None other than Ali Abunimah-Chicago’s resident pro-Palestinian activist and one of Barack Obama’s friends in the pro-Palestinian community of America.

Another luminary present was John Mearsheimer, who spills out his venom towards Israel and towards American Jewish supporters of the American-Israel relationship. His views can certainly verge on outright anti-Semitism. He also takes potshots at Christian supporters of our ally.

CNI cartoon.

All that's missing is a depiction of Jews as rats.

re: #83 Nevergiveup

People might think your kidding. Everything you said is dead on.

Yup. I know American Jews. I am an American Jew. He wasn't kidding. I'm proud to be American Jew, in many ways. But I am deeply ashamed of the fact that, as a group, there may be no other set of people in the world who are so utterly moronic about their own survival.

re: #123 Last Mohican

Yup. I know American Jews. I am an American Jew. He wasn't kidding. I'm proud to be American Jew, in many ways. But I am deeply ashamed of the fact that, as a group, there may be no other set of people in the world who are so utterly moronic about their own survival.

See my 120--oh how I know that!

re: #118 Kosh's Shadow

You stopped too soon:

VII. Israel attacks Iran to save themselves.

VIII. UN condemns Israel, throws it out, and recognizes "Palestine". The 0bama administration votes "yes" to this resolution.

I still don't see where Israel will attack Iran.
However, I can see the US not using it's veto in the UN's Security Council votes.

re: #118 Kosh's Shadow

You stopped too soon:

VII. Israel attacks Iran to save themselves.

VIII. UN condemns Israel, throws it out, and recognizes "Palestine". The 0bama administration votes "yes" to this resolution.

IX. Israel (and possibly Australia) become the last two places on Earth where Western-style economic and social freedom are still championed (and they begin turning away everyone fleeing Western Europe and US at the door).

X. I take what little I have left to go live on a boat somewhere in Micronesia to get away from all the bullshit.

Okay, that last one may not have significance to anyone but me. :-)

re: #105 Lizard by the Bay

But that's not truly hypocritical of him. After all, Monarchs love the high life too, and they're not usually Capitalists.

Marx was a mooch on his buddy the capitalist Engels. . .so yeah, guess as long as it is other people's money. . .arugala for all. . .let them eat arugala. . .:)

re: #122 MandyManners

Chas has some interesting friends.

The Council of National Interest is run by Paul Findley, former Congressman and long-time anti-Israel activist. The CNI sponsors full-page ads replete with anti-Semitic imagery, sponsors rallies against Israel, and lobbies Congressmen to not support the American-Israeli relationship.

CNI cartoon.

All that's missing is a depiction of Jews as rats.

I am well aware of them. They're also somehow affiliated with the American Educational Trust and WRMEA. And when news organizations quote them, they never mention that they're funded by Saudi Arabia or virulently antisemitic.

re: #123 Last Mohican

Yup. I know American Jews. I am an American Jew. He wasn't kidding. I'm proud to be American Jew, in many ways. But I am deeply ashamed of the fact that, as a group, there may be no other set of people in the world who are so utterly moronic about their own survival.

I agree, it is "wear the yellow star with pride" 2.0. . .

re: #129 dhg4

I am well aware of them. They're also somehow affiliated with the American Educational Trust and WRMEA. And when news organizations quote them, they never mention that they're funded by Saudi Arabia or virulently antisemitic.

Well, as soon as the Jewish people find this out they will be so angry that they will. . .keep quiet. . .

re: #1 Peacekeeper

I do not like green eggs flags and sham Stan.

There, fixed that for ya!

re: #129 dhg4

I am well aware of them. They're also somehow affiliated with the American Educational Trust and WRMEA. And when news organizations quote them, they never mention that they're funded by Saudi Arabia or virulently antisemitic.

Big Oil, especially Exxon Mobil where big donors to these groups at one time. They still might be. It's been a while since I've checked.

The only precedent set in the past decade from the US regarding Hamas/PLO was basically lip service, and empty threats, followed by aid money. Now and again the US would wag its finger at Israel, usually when Israel kicked some ass to protect itself, but there has never been a rational approach to the conflict.

I think this is precisely why Israel is changing its political direction. It knows there is no country in the world it can count on. For all our posturing, it sure isn't us, nor has it been - not when it truly mattered.

re: #94 subsailor68

While I think you're right, I am at least glad to see one official take this position - if only to offset the fear and panic somewhat. If you only look at the MFM, and to a certain extent Drudge, you end up wanting to crawl under a blanket somewhere.

Thanks Ben Bernanke, for at least giving it a shot!

I do agree with you on that. Obama could do the economy a favor by having a big cup of STFU.

re: #113 Desert Dog

I am in the Air Freight biz and I deal with the TSA on a daily basis and face weekly audits...the agents I deal with are pretty good, it's their bosses in Washington that scare the hell out of me...not the Barney Fife's manning the xray machines.

Glad to hear you are having good experiences.

I have had more than my share of run-ins at the security cross over point.

Objecting as to how my personal property was handled - their panic mode when I wore a partial elbow brace ... I could go on ad nauseum.

re: #120 Nevergiveup

I can only speak for myself, but I have lost most of my liberal Jewish friends. Personally I can't stand being around them. I mention Liberal Jewish Friends first since I am Jewish and that was your question, but I can't stand to be around my other past liberal non Jewish friends either. I'm an equal opportunity hater.

Maybe a lot of us are idiots.

Dear President Obama,

Gaza is a society where Muslims like to kill other Muslims (that is, when they aren't busy trying to kill Jews.) Back when Bush was Commander-in-Chief of the war in Iraq, you and your Democrat comrades were screaming about how it was a bloody civil war. It is true that in Iraq, Muslims were killing Muslims (even though a lot of terrorists were not Iraqis). But now look at Iraq. It is much better than it used to be. Shiites and Sunnis are cooperating, not ripping each other's throats out. They have formed a coalition government. Civilians can vote, and they are not being attacked by terrorists all the time. It is not perfect, but it is a damn sight better than Gaza. So, Mr. President, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and do in Gaza what Bush did in Iraq? No? Then you're deluding yourself. All the bad guys in the world will see once again that you are all whistle and no steam.

re: #126 Iron Fist

So? The Democrats have never had the Blacks best interests a heart. The Democrats were the Ku Klux Klan. They were the authors and enforcers for Jim Crow. They were the ones standing in the schoolhouse door, the ones with the water cannon and the police dogs. Hell, they were pro-Confederacy during the Civil War!

None of that keeps the Blacks from voting for them in one big solid monolithic block. Why should the Donks being anti-Israel matter to American Jews any more than supporting slavery does the Blacks.

That said, I don't see how anyone who looks at the real issues, and looks at what the two parties have done on the issues, can possibly vote Democrat. Yeah, the Republicans suck. They suck a lot less than the Democrats do.

It's just that the Democrats own all the PR.

The support from this population came out of the 60s of course, where in an interesting turn of events, democrats were able to convice voters that up was down and water was dry, sand was wet. . .shit even with Wyman's well documented history showing the scorn and hostility FDR had for Jews they stay loyal. . .fucking A, I am no poet, but blessed be if I can be another match. . .to shed light on this whole stinking mess. . .

re: #129 dhg4

I am well aware of them. They're also somehow affiliated with the American Educational Trust and WRMEA. And when news organizations quote them, they never mention that they're funded by Saudi Arabia or virulently antisemitic.

Yet, when the MFM quotes someone from the Heritage Foundation, the phrase "right-wing organization" is invariably attached.

re: #139 ploome hineni

I HOPE ALL THE JEWS WHO FUNDED AND VOTED FOR THE NOBAMA

ARE HAPPY

again, American Jews will survive

BUT WILL THE OTHERS?

Sigh. . .word. . .and all of you Jewish moms, who saw moxie as something to scorn and dismiss, who alowed for the wholesale attack on children from the bimah no less. . .SHANDA FOR THE GOYIM VA YISROEL!

re: #133 MJ

Big Oil, especially Exxon Mobil where big donors to these groups at one time. They still might be. It's been a while since I've checked.

It could be. In the early 80's Steven Emerson - now of the Invesetigative Project - wrote a book "The American House of Saud." He said that he had intended to write a book that was critical of AIPAC for having too much influence. But as he researched AIPAC he discovered that AIPAC was working against corporate efforts to influence American policy in the Middle East. In the end he saw AIPAC as a corrective to the corporate world that was doing the Saudi's bidding.

re: #135 acwgusa

I do agree with you on that. Obama could do the economy a favor by having a big cup of STFU.

From your lips to God's ear!

re: #138 Irenike

Remember the Iraq Study Group report which insisted the war in Iraq could not be solved until the "Palestinian problem" was solved? We guess what? Iraq is doing fine, but the Palis are still causing trouble.

Now Obama's newest expert adviser is saying the Afghanistan war won't be solved until the Palestinian problem is addressed. Nuts.

re: #144 subsailor68

From your lips to God's ear!

Word. . .

re: #145 Kenneth

Remember the Iraq Study Group report which insisted the war in Iraq could not be solved until the "Palestinian problem" was solved? We guess what? Iraq is doing fine, but the Palis are still causing trouble.

Now Obama's newest expert adviser is saying the Afghanistan war won't be solved until the Palestinian problem is addressed. Nuts.

Which one of his "experts" said that

re: #147 Nevergiveup

It was in the main document, they all signed it.

re: #37 Golem Akbar

At some point All Americans Jews will make up to the fact that Barack Obama does not have their best interest at heart.

Fixed that for you.

re: #149 Kenneth

It was in the main document, they all signed it.

No I know that. I mean the expert who said that about Afghanistan?

re: #104 Bobibutu

We can observe this syndrome in self important local and state employees we come across and particularly at airports ... ever innocently run afowl of a HS dropout TSA nutcake?

I agree. They're called petty tyrants and being the small people that they are, they relish the little bit of authority they get and overuse and abuse it. Bunch of bastards.

re: #145 Kenneth

Remember the Iraq Study Group report which insisted the war in Iraq could not be solved until the "Palestinian problem" was solved? We guess what? Iraq is doing fine, but the Palis are still causing trouble.

Now Obama's newest expert adviser is saying the Afghanistan war won't be solved until the Palestinian problem is addressed. Nuts.

Obama could do a lot of good if he just called their bluff and told them to quit using the existence of the Jews as an excuse to be terrorists.

re: #143 dhg4

It could be. In the early 80's Steven Emerson - now of the Invesetigative Project - wrote a book "The American House of Saud." He said that he had intended to write a book that was critical of AIPAC for having too much influence. But as he researched AIPAC he discovered that AIPAC was working against corporate efforts to influence American policy in the Middle East. In the end he saw AIPAC as a corrective to the corporate world that was doing the Saudi's bidding.

I'm not going to add to the conspiracy theory atmosphere to suggest that we now have the Riyadhian candidate elected.

re: #103 Desert Dog

How can Jewish Democrats justify voting for him in the first place?

They justify it with the rallying cry "Bush is a moron" and "Obama is a genius". I live in a very Jewish area (I am Jewish) and I was and am astonished by the blinders people put on their eyes. They thought they were voting for FDR again.

No matter how much I pointed out all of his associations to my friends they were unswayed and downplayed. " You worry to much. America would never abandon their best friend in the middle east."
AS someone said above. When someone tells shows you who they are with their associations you ought to look. When they tell you who they are with their words you ought to listen.

--- thanks Charles

re: #148 ploome hineni

every time I get additional screening, I tell them how much I appreciate the work they do

horrible job, everyone is rushed, uncomfortable and tired

we have to get angry at the dreck that caused this situation , not at these people doing the work

When they grab your laptop without a word ... balance it like a waiter does a serving tray .. on their fingertips ... and take it away weaving back and forth while going to some unknown destination out of your field of vision - you would thank them?

Not me - I enter a translunar trajectory.

And I have expressed thanks when it was appropriate.

This is great. Next we should broker a Sunni-Shia rapprochement with al Qaeda and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Unite and conquer. Can't fail.

re: #143 dhg4

It could be. In the early 80's Steven Emerson - now of the Invesetigative Project - wrote a book "The American House of Saud." He said that he had intended to write a book that was critical of AIPAC for having too much influence. But as he researched AIPAC he discovered that AIPAC was working against corporate efforts to influence American policy in the Middle East. In the end he saw AIPAC as a corrective to the corporate world that was doing the Saudi's bidding.

It's been sitting on the bookshelf since I read it in the 1980's.

An irony is that Leftists who hate Big Business are in bed with Big Oil when they parrot the same policies that Big Oil supports and which Big Oil has spent a fortune promoting.

re: #148 ploome hineni

horrible job, everyone is rushed, uncomfortable and tired

This is validation and an excuse for unprofessional, arrogant behavior?

But hey, it's government service - so it's ok?

Would last a heartbeat in the real world - civilian and military.

Try running that one in Boot Camp ...

Again with the Gastro distress. My bowels thank you...

Meaning that news like this makes my bowels dance with "happiness."

Considering that both Fatah and Hamas call in their charters for the destruction of Israel by means of armed conflict, I don't see any problem in principle with their forming a unity government.

The real question is why the U.S. and the Quartet want anything to do with the Palestinian Authority in the first place. Ditto for Israel. The Abbas administration's opposition to the very idea of peaceful coexistence with a Jewish state is evident to even the most casual observer.

The "peace process," depending on the perspective of any given party, is either a program for the dismantling of the Zionist entity, a tactic for short-term conflict management, a strategy for long-term conflict management, or a delusion. The only real question is identifying the perspective held by any particular participant.

Yosef Bodansky's twelve-year old analysis still holds true today.
Like The Wings Of A Bird: The Myths And Reality In PLO-HAMAS Relationship. FATAH and HAMAS are rivals for political power and have different tactical approaches to "resistance" against the "occupation," but their goals vis-à-vis Israel are the same.

re: #152 LGoPs

I agree. They're called petty tyrants and being the small people that they are, they relish the little bit of authority they get and overuse and abuse it. Bunch of bastards.

Yeppers!

re: #44 Last Mohican

Neither, I think. Obama has spent his whole adult life as a member of an anti-Jewish racist hate group, and affirming his affiliation and agreement with academics and politicians who favor the destruction of Israel.

Why should it come as any sort of surprise that, as president, his policy is the same as it was before he was president?

Does anyone doubt that the Israelis will refuse to cooperate with Obama in his efforts to neuter them? If so, let's hear your doubts.

re: #165 ploome hineni

that seems very unusual behavior

Fly thru Oakland, CA - OAK - sometime ... not that they are the only ones - just some of the worst.

re: #58 JohnnyReb

Hitler did it in his book. He spelled everything right out and you know what? nobody believed him either. People can be pretty stupid can't they?

Yes they can be pretty stupid! Even if you try and tell them were to look they deny the facts. More like blooming idiots to me.
"He's young! He's different! We needed a change!"
Is their mantra. And in less than two months "this change" is showing his colors which were already there for the whole world to see. Yet they refused to see. It disgusts me.