Conservative Commentators Not Sold on Jindal

Here are some quotes from conservatives reviewing The Two Speeches.

On President Obama:

Sen. John McCain told a CBS Web cast: “The president gave a very effective speech. I think it was a balance between the size and enormity of the challenges we face, but also an expression of hope and confidence that America will get through this. And I think his delivery and the theme of his speech was excellent.”

Conservative commentator Charles Krauthammer sounded admiring even as he was critical. “He sure did a lot of sleight of hand tonight,” Krauthammer said on Fox News Channel. “He said, I just passed a stimulus with no earmarks and then he skips and says — and next year there will be no earmarks, in the budget — and leaving out the fact that the budget he’ll present in two days … has 8,000 in them. Now that’s chutzpah.”

No conservative politician is going to criticize Governor Bobby Jindal at this point, but the pundits aren’t so constrained:

Krauthammer: ”Jindal didn’t have a chance.“

Juan Williams: ”It just came off as amateurish. Even the tempo in which he spoke seemed like sing-song, and he was telling stories that seemed very simplistic and almost childish.“

Brit Hume: ”This was not Bobby Jindal’s greatest oratorical moment.”

(I know Juan Williams isn’t exactly a conservative, but compared to some of the left he’s relatively level-headed. And Krauthammer and Hume are two of the best rational conservatives.)

My take: I’m not a huge fan of President Obama, but he is a very effective speaker when he’s on his game, as he mostly was last night.

Bobby Jindal, however, seemed to be trying for the same “inspirey hopey changey” theme as the Big O, but came up with almost no specifics about anything at all.

As I wrote last night, the most specific point in his speech was the slam against volcano monitoring. And that came across as ignorant to me, and pandering to the anti-science far righties.

Evidence for this opinion: signing that Discovery Institute-inspired atrocity into law, which led to the canceling of a major scientific convention in New Orleans (with possibly more boycotts to come). It’s very telling that in the whole speech he couldn’t come up with anything more specific than a slam at a scientific program. There are much more worthy targets in the stimulus package than a relatively low cost science program with the potential to save a lot of human lives in a major volcanic event.

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413 comments

1 Pupdawg  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:51:25am

Jindal just might not be the One.

2 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:51:42am

Jindal is a non-starter with everyone but the creationist folks. He does not have the broad support to get elected. Put him away and find somebody else to run in 2012.

3 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:52:31am

Spinning head jokes. I can hear them now. I can see SNL now. No way is this guy going to be President.

4 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:53:24am

Jindal was someone i honestly had hope for, before I read about his creationism supporting actions here. He didn't impress me either last night. He seemed flat and syrupy.

5 Ziggy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:53:39am

Jindal was a Dud. Should have been Michael Steele

6 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:54:09am

Rule him out early or the dems will prop him up as the easiest to beat.

7 kansas  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:54:27am

re: #5 Ziggy

Jindal was a Dud. Should have been Michael Steele

I wonder if Jindal was a sacrifice. Too early for the real possibilities.

8 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:54:29am

Said this in the thread below:
I'd only seen a brief snippet of indal's speech, on the early-morning Beeb news programme.
My immediate impression was that he's a political lightweight.
That was the way he came across.
His stance on creationism didn't even come into it.

The GOP better look for someone else.

9 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:54:41am

Charles, like I said this morning, if Jindal keeps giving speeches like last night's, he won't be a factor in 2012.

10 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:54:42am

I hope McCain had his knee pads on.

11 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:54:56am

re: #1 Pupdawg

Jindal just might not be the One.

Yoda to Obiwan: There is another.

12 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:54:56am

McCain was also on Larry King Live last night. In addition to praising Obama's oratory, McCain also noted: " I have real questions about the spending, particularly since we're about to have a bill that has 9,247 pork barrel projects, earmarked on it before the Senate the day after tomorrow..."

13 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:55:02am

re: #5 Ziggy

Jindal was a Dud. Should have been Michael Steele

Amen!

14 calvin coolidge  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:55:15am

Side show Bob should have said: "You want the truth! You can't handle the truth! No truth handler you! Bah! I deride your truth handling abilities!"

/that would have spoke more to the masses that voted for BHO

15 KenJen  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:55:27am

Mitt Romney would have been a better choice.

16 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:55:35am

re: #2 Shr_Nfr

Jindal is a non-starter with everyone but the creationist folks. He does not have the broad support to get elected. Put him away and find somebody else to run in 2012.

That said, we still need to keep him in the public eye. Simply by being of Indian origin, he fulfills a useful role for the GOP. I know that doesn't sound good, but do need spokespeople for are not white.

17 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:55:45am

He was trying to go for the same "inspiring hope change" theme as the Big O. Almost no specifics about anything.

As I wrote last night, the most specific point in his speech was the slam against volcano monitoring. Came across as very ignorant to me, and pandering to the anti-science far righties.

18 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:56:00am

Regardless of what you think of him and the ID issue, Jindal is still very young... He's not ready in any way to run for a National office for another 10 years IMO...

The media is pushing him but he's nowhere near ready for primetime... Yet.

19 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:56:05am

I don't see the Republican party as being ready to effectively rebut 0bama just yet. I don't think anyone is ready to follow him and make rational points that the party can back up with its own past actions. Jindal mentioned cover R values but didn't specify them. To me it's just more evidence that the party needs to recommit to fiscal conservatism and back it up with action.

And the fact that this might harm Jindal's chances for consideration in 2012 is a silver lining.

20 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:56:07am

It was really too early for the GOP to trot Jindal out anyway.

21 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:56:19am

Mitt Romney is my top Repub right now. If he speaks up and offers solid financial analysis, he can get the nod in 2012.

22 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:56:20am

re: #15 KenJen

Mitt Romney would have been a better choice.

I agree; he has the business and financial chops to go head-to-head with Obama.

23 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:56:39am

re: #5 Ziggy

Jindal was a Dud. Should have been Michael Steele

I agree!

24 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:56:45am

re: #19 Bloodnok

cover=core (wtf?)

25 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:57:11am

I think Michael Steele would have been a good choice to 'introduce' himself to the American people as the new face of the GOP.

26 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:57:21am

re: #18 tfc3rid

Regardless of what you think of him and the ID issue, Jindal is still very young... He's not ready in any way to run for a National office for another 10 years IMO...

The media is pushing him but he's nowhere near ready for primetime... Yet.

You are right. The man is only 37 years old.

27 Ziggy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:57:27am

re: #7 kansas

I wonder if Jindal was a sacrifice. Too early for the real possibilities.

I think the GOP is putting too much in his basket. Charles had a good point the other day; the media will build him up for the general election because he will ultimately be unelectable. Michael Steele, is conservative, hip and an outsider. He is actually considering to giving RNC money to Spector, Snow and Collins for their next primary fights.

28 redheadredstate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:57:35am

re: #18 tfc3rid

Regardless of what you think of him and the ID issue, Jindal is still very young... He's not ready in any way to run for a National office for another 10 years IMO...

The media is pushing him but he's nowhere near ready for primetime... Yet.

True, but can't the same be said for BHO?

29 turn  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:57:45am

Let's face it, Jindal blew it.

30 notutopia  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:57:48am

Keep Searching, Jindal is Not the best candidate for the GOP in 2012.

Here is what MSNBC says, quoted on tape before Jindal begins his speech last night. "OH God" and laughter as he's approaching the podium microphone.


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

31 lennysquiggy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:58:10am

I can overlook alot of factors if I agree with a candidates economic and defense policies. I also don't think the GOP should be concerned with how the MSM or SNL is going to react to the pick. So I would keep an open mind on Jindal if he was the nominee.

But, my God... that speech last night was strictly amateur hour. He came off like a town supervisor. Let him hold the office of governor and maybe he'll make a decent GOP senator someday. But this guy has zero chance of winning the Presidency with those oratory skills.

Also, can the GOP find a microphone that works? I was watching on FoxNews and it seemed like his mic was periodically cutting off some of his words. I'm sure it wouldn't have made a difference but still...

32 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:58:10am

re: #22 Ward Cleaver

I agree; he has the business and financial chops to go head-to-head with Obama.

I think Romney has a gazillion times more business/economic ideas than anyone on the Left...

33 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:58:23am

re: #20 Afrocity

It was really too early for the GOP to trot Jindal out anyway.

The GOP needs to keep him in the public eye, but not as their spokesperson. I agree that we need more faces than just the WASPs, but anyone that supports ID will just hurt us in the long run.

34 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:58:47am

re: #27 Ziggy

I think the GOP is putting too much in his basket. Charles had a good point the other day; the media will build him up for the general election because he will ultimately be unelectable. Michael Steele, is conservative, hip and an outsider. He is actually considering to giving RNC money to Spector, Snow and Collins for their next primary fights.

I think those three should get a slap upside the head, and primary challengers.

35 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:58:48am

re: #32 tfc3rid

I think Romney has a gazillion times more business/economic ideas than anyone on the Left...

Not too mention experience.

36 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:58:55am

re: #28 redheadredstate

True, but can't the same be said for BHO?

Yes, but we are a bit more rational and don't fall for hero worship.

37 Ziggy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:59:18am

re: #27 Ziggy

I think the GOP is putting too much in his basket. Charles had a good point the other day; the media will build him up for the general election because he will ultimately be unelectable. Michael Steele, is conservative, hip and an outsider. He is actually considering to giving RNC money to Spector, Snow and Collins for their next primary fights.

I meant NOT giving money to these RINO's

38 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:59:18am

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

That said, we still need to keep him in the public eye. Simply by being of Indian origin, he fulfills a useful role for the GOP. I know that doesn't sound good, but do need spokespeople for are not white.

Nyah nyah. Our tent is bigger that your tent.

39 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:59:27am

re: #15 KenJen

Mitt is the same as Obama and Jindal in that he is always running for the next office after he gets elected to the present one. He left a mess behind in MA that Patrick is making worse. Mitt is another man without substance other than the love of his reflection in the mirror.

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:59:28am

Rudy probably isn't going to run again but they should have given him the rebuttal speech.

41 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:59:42am

re: #35 Leonidas Hoplite

Not too mention experience.

Executive experience... And not just in a Governor's office...

42 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:59:43am

re: #37 Ziggy

I meant NOT giving money to these RINO's

Okay, that's more like it. Like I said.

43 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:59:43am

From the tone of Jindal's voice last night you would think he was speaking to a class of fifth grade schools children.

I'm sure he a nice enough fellow, but he'll never be president...No a chance.

I wish Michael Steele would had given the speech.

44 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:59:44am
No conservative politician is going to criticize Governor Bobby Jindal at this point, but the pundits aren’t so constrained:

Whenever is a POLITICIAN going to speak directly and simply to the truth?

They never do, and I uniformly detest all politicians of any party.

We need a leader, and we have not had one in a long time, and I see no prospect of one in the familiar current crop of brain addled, mood enhanced politicians.

45 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:59:50am

You only get one chance in the court of public opinion -- not unlike ordinary first impressions. Bobby Jindal's performance last night was less than satisfactory and has thus created an irreversible impression on the public.

46 freedombilly  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:59:52am

If people like Krauthammer and Charles keep beating this drum we may have a chance to head this off at the pass. The alternative is Jindal gets a lot of momentum and we get steamrolled in '12.

47 Power Armored Lizardoid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:00:00am

I don't give a crap if Jindal (or any other Republican) is a smooth talker as long as he stands for the conservative ideals that I stand for...Hitler could make moving speeches that whipped the crowds up, but that doesn't mean I want another Hitler to lead our nation...

Of course, it's easy to be smooth and slick like President Hopenchange when you know the majority of the media is carrying water for you...

48 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:00:01am

Mitt Romney!

49 dragonladyalso  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:00:09am

People who would have given a better speech than Jindal even with zero prep:

1) Mitt Romney
2) Fred Thompson
3) Sarah Palin
4) my five year old grand son.

50 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:00:10am

That was my first-and hopefully last Jindal speech.

51 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:00:28am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Rudy probably isn't going to run again but they should have given him the rebuttal speech.

Zell Miller.

52 turn  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:00:28am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Rudy probably isn't going to run again but they should have given him the rebuttal speech.

Or Newt ...

53 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:00:33am

re: #31 lennysquiggy

Also, can the GOP find a microphone that works? I was watching on FoxNews and it seemed like his mic was periodically cutting off some of his words. I'm sure it wouldn't have made a difference but still...

That was the Fox feed. I watched it on HD broadcast in LA and the audio was fine.

54 KenJen  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:00:42am

re: #22 Ward Cleaver

I agree; he has the business and financial chops to go head-to-head with Obama.

Obama wouldn't know what hit him.

55 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:00:49am

re: #17 Charles

He was trying to go for the same "inspiring hope change" theme as the Big O. Almost no specifics about anything.

As I wrote last night, the most specific point in his speech was the slam against volcano monitoring. Came across as very ignorant to me, and pandering to the anti-science far righties.

Sad to say, i would have to say that Obama's delivery was much better. His tone was much better, and he conveyed emotion much better (though I knew him still to be a liar). If Jindal is going to get whipped by BHO like that, he'll be out of contention before the 2012 campaign gets started.

56 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:01:00am

I expected far more from Jindal...(in previous encounters with press people, etc., he sounded OK...for example, when answering questions, or repsonding "off the cuff", spontaneously, he sounded informed. He doesn't seem to do so well in prepared speeches...to put it mildly.)

57 Pianobuff  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:01:04am

Not sure his position on stimulus rejection is a differentiator anymore. Now a Dem governor may reject some of the funds.

[Link: www.tennessean.com...]

58 krisstingle  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:01:05am

I can NEVER and will Never vote for Jindal period

59 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:01:10am

re: #20 Afrocity

It was really too early for the GOP to trot Jindal out anyway.

You may be correct, since Jindal is such a non-starter, IMHO. They shouldn't even be wasting their time trotting him anywhere except off stage.

60 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:01:51am

re: #52 turn

Or Newt ...

Or Christopher Hitchens.

61 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:01:56am

Charles, I have to say that I am firmly opposed to warrantless volcano-monitoring. Your lack of respect for volcano civil liberties sickens me!

62 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:02:04am
63 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:02:20am

We need to quash it now.get involved with your local party.let them hear your voice.Lets stop wishing for hopeychange..lets do something.even something like some e-mails can have some effect.

64 VegasRick  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:02:29am

re: #52 turn

Or Newt ...

Or even

[Link: www.christianpf.com...]

65 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:02:29am

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

GOP has the trotting disorder.

66 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:02:37am

re: #27 Ziggy

I think the GOP is putting too much in his basket. Charles had a good point the other day; the media will build him up for the general election because he will ultimately be unelectable. Michael Steele, is conservative, hip and an outsider. He is actually considering to giving RNC money to Spector, Snow and Collins for their next primary fights.

No no no. Primary their asses out of the party, if for no other reason than as a lesson to any other weak-kneed rhinos.

67 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:02:37am
68 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:02:42am
Brit Hume: ”This was not Bobby Jindal’s greatest oratorical moment.”

Well, Brit, name any oratorical moment in Jindal's career? Geeessshhh.

69 yma o hyd  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:02:42am

It just occurred to me that having Jindal give that speech might ahve been a very clever tactical ploy by Steele:
Jindal has been 'gilded' by the MFM recently - so trot him out and save the heavyweights for when it matters.
Lets face it - anybody would have looked like poor seconds after PB0's very first speech, especially when most of the nation is still deepy into admiration mood.
Much better to roll out the heavies next time round - might catch the mood of the nation much better after one year of slashed hopenchange!

70 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:02:50am

the one time i was impressed with jindal was during the last hurricane mobilization effort. he seemed very comfortable giving orders ane handling a crisis effectively. but it was "strictly local" if you know what I mean. he can be effective as a regional presence, but he is not the man.

71 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:02:55am

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

Or Christopher Hitchens.

Er, no.

Hitch is great as an anti-jihadist, but he is by no stretch of the imagination a conservative.

72 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:03:10am

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Charles, I have to say that I am firmly opposed to warrantless volcano-monitoring. Your lack of respect for volcano civil liberties sickens me!

See, he doesn't even believe in that big bang.

73 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:03:11am

A rebuttal speech was probably a bad idea strategically speaking. They shoulda just let talk radio handle it.

74 Power Armored Lizardoid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:03:20am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

Missed Jindal last night, but there is little he could have done as the rebuttal voice. Obama spoke in strings of glittering generalities which cannot possibly have a nexus in reality; there is no way he can do everything he promised even if he had the entire Hogwarts Honor Roll helping him out.

But Obama does very well giving speeches like this; it's what he did all through the campaign, and indeed what he's been doing--all he's been doing--his whole life. And he did it this time before a Congress which is thoroughly in the bag for him, giving him thunderous applause, and before a media which is still not prepared to admit that they've sold themselves and the American people a pup.

Jindal could have brought out the eloquence of FDR and Churchill combined while spinning plates on sticks like an Ed Sullivan act, and he still would have gone over flat.

HEAR HEAR!

75 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:03:26am

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

You may be correct, since Jindal is such a non-starter, IMHO. They shouldn't even be wasting their time trotting him anywhere except off stage.

I will admit that before I read the thread about the issue here on LGF, I would have never thought that something like ID was really an issue... It certainly is not one in NY...

76 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:03:32am

re: #47 Power Armored Lizardoid

I don't give a crap if Jindal (or any other Republican) is a smooth talker as long as he stands for the conservative ideals that I stand for...Hitler could make moving speeches that whipped the crowds up, but that doesn't mean I want another Hitler to lead our nation...

Of course, it's easy to be smooth and slick like President Hopenchange when you know the majority of the media is carrying water for you...

To be successful, they'll have to pull a Reagan, and go over the heads of the MSM, directly to the people. Of course that's easier if you're already in the White House.

77 Pianobuff  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:03:33am

Oh well... if it's not meant to be, better getting through that now rather than later.

78 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:03:33am

This is a small list: Mitt Romney, Michael Steel, and...? We need someone who can speak well and deliver something of substance. Someone who can speak well, think on their feet, and do battle with the liberal/MSM.

79 johnnygriswold  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:03:34am

Please god, I hope Jindal is not the next One.

I frickin' miss Reagan.

80 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:03:38am

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

Go ahead; magma day.

First they came for the volcanoes, and I said nothing.

81 deymond  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:03:49am

re: #17 Charles

When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You view Jindal as anti-science, and you've given good reasons for your opinion, but don't make the mistake of assuming that Jindal considers himself anti-science (and would therefore be going out of his way to mock or criticize it).

BTW, note the dramatically less-Mr. Rogers speaking style in this: [Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

82 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:04:07am

re: #57 Pianobuff

Not sure his position on stimulus rejection is a differentiator anymore. Now a Dem governor may reject some of the funds.

[Link: www.tennessean.com...]

Phil Bredesen? Good job.

83 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:04:07am

re: #19 Bloodnok

I don't see the Republican party as being ready to effectively rebut 0bama just yet. I don't think anyone is ready to follow him and make rational points that the party can back up with its own past actions. Jindal mentioned cover R values but didn't specify them. To me it's just more evidence that the party needs to recommit to fiscal conservatism and back it up with action.

And the fact that this might harm Jindal's chances for consideration in 2012 is a silver lining.

right...it takes some floor trader up in Chicago to do it...such is the plight of the GOP

84 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:04:09am

re: #63 Boondock St. Bender

We need to quash it now.get involved with your local party.let them hear your voice.Lets stop wishing for hopeychange..lets do something.even something like some e-mails can have some effect.

There has got to be something bold from the GOP... Something akin to the Contract with America.

85 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:04:20am
86 Golem Akbar  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:04:21am

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

Go ahead; magma day.


Again this thread erupts into pundamania.

87 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:04:28am

re: #73 Peacekeeper

I could go for the office of National Jester, which person would have the floor for 15 minutes after any major political speech.

88 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:04:49am

re: #81 deymond

When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You view Jindal as anti-science, and you've given good reasons for your opinion, but don't make the mistake of assuming that Jindal considers himself anti-science (and would therefore be going out of his way to mock or criticize it).

BTW, note the dramatically less-Mr. Rogers speaking style in this: [Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

Huh?

89 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:04:51am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey
Then you point out that the emporer has no clothes.take it to him,politely but firmly.

90 Pianobuff  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:00am

re: #82 Ward Cleaver

Phil Bredesen? Good job.

Yup. How is this going to be spun? Or is it even going to get any attention...

91 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:01am

re: #80 Occasional Reader

First they came for the volcanoes, and I said nothing.

If an eruption lasts more than four hours, contact your president.

92 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:08am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Rudy probably isn't going to run again but they should have given him the rebuttal speech.

yes exactly

93 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:09am

re: #37 Ziggy

I meant NOT giving money to these RINO's

Thanks for clearing that up. I almost choked on my smoked salmon.

94 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:11am

UFPJ organizes national mobilization April 4th in NYC

We will march on April 4 filled with hope. Now is the time that our movements for racial justice and economic equality; our movements against the wars and occupations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and elsewhere; our movements for a new economy based on people's needs, green union jobs and sustainability will ALL come together to say YES WE CAN! Yes We Can move beyond war! Yes We Can build a new world of justice, equality and peace!

Because moonbats love their puppets and parades.

95 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:27am

re: #73 Peacekeeper

A rebuttal speech was probably a bad idea strategically speaking. They shoulda just let talk radio handle it.

That thought crossed my mind as well. No rebuttal but perhaps just a stern and curt statement. Further along those line would be a follow up advertising campaign.

96 Sheepdogess  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:33am

He may be the one.....in twenty years.

97 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:40am

re: #86 Golem Akbar

These volcano puns are much Lassen I expected.

98 turn  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:43am

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

Or Christopher Hitchens.

I was really hoping Newt would run last election, this is a guy who really has his act together. Really understands science, big on nanotechnology too. So is Instapundit BTW.

99 Ziggy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:45am

re: #42 Ward Cleaver

Okay, that's more like it. Like I said.


I heard an interview with Specter this morning and almost had a stroke. What a TOOL.

100 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:05:47am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

Missed Jindal last night, but there is little he could have done as the rebuttal voice. Obama spoke in strings of glittering generalities which cannot possibly have a nexus in reality; there is no way he can do everything he promised even if he had the entire Hogwarts Honor Roll helping him out.

Could the Hogwart's honor Roll make Obama disappear up his own asshole? That would help America out.

101 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:06:04am

re: #85 buzzsawmonkey

You should have erupted.

It would be inappropriate in the context of a presidential speech. Such events have a certain gravitas, and call for pompeii and circumstance.

102 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:06:04am
103 Mike from NY  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:06:04am

I agree that Jindal was flat and did not impress, and, his age (37) makes him too inexperienced (like our president) for the job in 4 years. I hope the GOP can get solidly behind Romney and put forward a platform that emphasizes the conservative base principles that elected Ronald Reagan. We can win the next election if the GOP returns to its roots and values.

104 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:06:09am

re: #75 tfc3rid

I will admit that before I read the thread about the issue here on LGF, I would have never thought that something like ID was really an issue... It certainly is not one in NY...

I'm not even talking about ID, Jindal is a lightweight, period. I really beat myself up debating these points, since I am so turned off by our current crop of criminals that are running this country, I have no faith in any of them.

105 Power Armored Lizardoid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:06:12am

re: #76 Ward Cleaver

To be successful, they'll have to pull a Reagan, and go over the heads of the MSM, directly to the people. Of course that's easier if you're already in the White House.

Yeah, that's true. Palin almost pulled it off, and I think she has some very Reaganesque qualities...but between the lib media assaulting her and McCain's people backstabbing her, she didn't have much of a chance...

106 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:06:16am

I already know who I am supporting. It may change but from the evidence I have before me I am pretty clear on it.

107 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:06:17am

re: #2 Shr_Nfr

Jindal is a non-starter with everyone but the creationist folks. He does not have the broad support to get elected. Put him away and find somebody else to run in 2012.

Tell that to the MFM.

108 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:06:37am
109 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:06:38am

re: #85 buzzsawmonkey

You should have erupted.

Then you would have pumiced me for spouting off.

110 Bloodnok  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:06:40am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

I agree with you. It'll be no-win in these situations for a little while. People still want to believe 0bama (not us, but most people) and dissenting voices are, on the whole going to go over flat. The time will come when people will be ready to listen to valid criticism of his vague generalities.

111 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:07:17am

re: #81 deymond

When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. You view Jindal as anti-science, and you've given good reasons for your opinion, but don't make the mistake of assuming that Jindal considers himself anti-science (and would therefore be going out of his way to mock or criticize it).

I didn't actually say he was "anti-science," but I think signing that Discovery Institute atrocity into law is pretty good support for that contention.

I don't know if he falls into that category, but it's very telling that in the whole speech he couldn't come up with anything more specific than a slam at a relatively low-cost scientific program.

112 rexatosis  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:07:18am

Jindal is done as a candidate for 2012. This was his chance at a "first impression" with the public-at-large and he did not even remotely seem "Presidential."

113 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:07:24am

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Obama spoke in strings of glittering generalities which cannot possibly have a nexus in reality;

Get him away from solar energy; it is a useful thing but he will oversell it and ruin its reputation for a decade or more.

114 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:07:29am

re: #106 Afrocity

I already know who I am supporting. It may change but from the evidence I have before me I am pretty clear on it.

Don't keep us in suspense. Who?

115 lennysquiggy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:07:43am

#53 Charles:

Ahh... Ok, thanks!

Also, what about Ken Blackwell? Solid speaker and straight shooter from what I've seen on the cable news networks. He may have been able to deliver a solid counterpunch last night.

116 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:07:46am

re: #17 Charles

He was trying to go for the same "inspiring hope change" theme as the Big O. Almost no specifics about anything.

As I wrote last night, the most specific point in his speech was the slam against volcano monitoring. Came across as very ignorant to me, and pandering to the anti-science far righties.

What's next? A bill in Louisiana that allows for the teaching of an alternative to plate tectonics?

117 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:07:48am

It would have been GREAT to hear from Sarah Palin. She has coontempt and derision down perfectly, but she does it in a funny endearing way.

She could have said: They want you to buy cars, but they haven't explained that with all this phony money, our dollar on the market will be worth much less so we'll be back to $140/bl oil and maybe even $400. We need to be SERIOUS about the energy needs of the grandmother trying to hear her home, and the pricfe of gas for the mother or father on their way to work. Obama promised you gas would be higher. he promised you that he would make coal cost skyrocket.

Democrats are setting up the country for failure.

let me write the talks.

118 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:07:59am

We have to be careful here too. If the press endears Jindal, we are back to them shoving him down our throats because they think he is the easiest candidate to beat. That is what happened, in my opinion, with McCain. Romney was a REAL threat, so McCain was the "Golden Boy". Once McCain got the nod, the press dried up and he became just another "Damn, Dirty Ape" Conservative.

The press are not our friends, and they will do everything they can to keep us under the buss.

119 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:08:01am

re: #76 Ward Cleaver
It's also easier if you have a reagan...lol.
The rep.need some new blood.new faces who can conjugate a little.

120 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:08:09am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

I'm not even talking about ID, Jindal is a lightweight, period. I really beat myself up debating these points, since I am so turned off by our current crop of criminals that are running this country, I have no faith in any of them.

No, there is no faith in any of them at all... Building the GOP up will have to happen from the Grassroots level... We, the diafffected must have more of a say and a pull in the direction we believe the party should go... We see the Dems being pulled far to the left by the netroots... We must retake the GOP in a sane, fiscally conservative manner.

121 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:08:13am

re: #44 Ojoe

Whenever is a POLITICIAN going to speak directly and simply to the truth?

They never do, and I uniformly detest all politicians of any party.

We need a leader, and we have not had one in a long time, and I see no prospect of one in the familiar current crop of brain addled, mood enhanced politicians.

I agree. We need a plain speaker. Remember the Perot phenomenon? I didn't care for him and certainly didn't vote for him but I'm convinced that the bulk of his appeal was his plain speaking. Even after he went batshit crazy he still got 19% (and gave us Clinton by the way) of the vote.
As politically in tune I am, I rarely actually listen to a politician being interviewed because I know that all I'm going to get is pablum, vetted to the point that it can be retracted the next day in case it polls badly, making all of it meaningless.

122 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:08:15am

re: #106 Afrocity

I already know who I am supporting. It may change but from the evidence I have before me I am pretty clear on it.

Who, if you don't mind my asking?

123 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:08:21am
124 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:08:30am

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Charles, I have to say that I am firmly opposed to warrantless volcano-monitoring. Your lack of respect for volcano civil liberties sickens me!


LOL
Honestly, is it stimulus? No, it is not.

125 Ziggy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:08:31am

re: #66 tommygum

No no no. Primary their asses out of the party, if for no other reason than as a lesson to any other weak-kneed rhinos.

I corrected my type-o. I meant Steele is leaning towards NOT supporting them in the primary. Out they must go.

126 SixDegrees  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:08:53am
[Obama] is a very effective speaker when he’s on his game, as he mostly was last night.

He gives good teleprompter.

127 Pianobuff  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:05am

re: #112 rexatosis

Jindal is done as a candidate for 2012. This was his chance at a "first impression" with the public-at-large and he did not even remotely seem "Presidential."

I think the media was pulling for him to be just ok, but not suck. Something feels like they would love to appoint him the nominee in 2012 and go on a shredding fest.

128 Kragar  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:08am

Jindal has not said or done anything to impress me. I'll stick with Romney

129 turn  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:10am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

"Jindal could have brought out the eloquence of FDR and Churchill combined while spinning plates on sticks like an Ed Sullivan act, and he still would have gone over flat."

LOL. Sounds like theme for IowaHawk to elaborate on buzz.

130 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:13am

re: #120 tfc3rid

No, there is no faith in any of them at all... Building the GOP up will have to happen from the Grassroots level... We, the diafffected must have more of a say and a pull in the direction we believe the party should go... We see the Dems being pulled far to the left by the netroots... We must retake the GOP in a sane, fiscally conservative manner.

The only real truth, and you said it.

131 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:26am

One need not even consider content, we had a well delivered speech by the talented speaker Obama, with applause and such, followed by a crappy speaker on something that looked like it was produced for local public access cable.

132 transient  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:30am

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

Go ahead; magma day.


I lava good pun thread.

133 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:30am

Obama's speech was great, just wish it reflected reality.

Reduce the debt/deficit? How? When they keep passing bills for spending in the hundreds of billions that the Government just doesn't have it boggles the mind.

134 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:31am

re: #86 Golem Akbar

Again this thread erupts into pundamania.

Lava buzzsawmonkey alone.

135 Pyrocles  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:36am

These nuts will be coming out the woodwork all over now. They rightly feel emboldened. Vomit bags for everyone...

re: #94 Who Watches the Watchmen?

UFPJ organizes national mobilization April 4th in NYC

Because moonbats love their puppets and parades.

136 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:37am

re: #78 Golem Akbar

This is a small list: Mitt Romney, Michael Steel, and...? We need someone who can speak well and deliver something of substance. Someone who can speak well, think on their feet, and do battle with the liberal/MSM.

I keep on seeing Eric Cantor mentioned here. I've Googled him and both creationism and evolution but I can find nothing.

137 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:39am

re: #106 Afrocity

Sasquatch? I think Sasquatch joined the Modern Whigs.

138 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:46am

re: #124 DistantThunder

LOL
Honestly, is it stimulus? No, it is not.

I think we've already established that there is one heck of a lot of "non-stimulus" in this "stimulus."

139 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:49am

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

Go ahead; magma day.

Lava and let lava......

140 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:52am

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

Maybe Pat Condell.

141 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:09:59am

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jindal has not said or done anything to impress me. I'll stick with Romney

maybe Duncan Hunter has a plan after his vacation

142 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:10:25am

re: #123 buzzsawmonkey

Jeff Dunham should have given the rebuttal. Whether he was assisted by Walter or by Achmed the Dead Terrorist or both, he would have done a great job.

I could have done it myself without Jeff's hand up my back. It's not that hard to rebuff a leftist.

143 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:10:35am

re: #126 SixDegrees

He gives good teleprompter.

Reagan had an excellent speech writer as well. That being said, you can teleprompt all you want, the content of the speech is his, and the delivery was almost Reagan-esque.

144 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:10:47am

re: #90 Pianobuff

Yup. How is this going to be spun? Or is it even going to get any attention...

Since it's a Dem, there won't be much public attention, but privately, maybe a rain of crap from the DNC.

145 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:10:55am

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

The only real truth, and you said it.

It's pretty clear that aisde from a very tiny minority, the change in the GOP will not come from Washington...

146 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:11:15am

Inflation will be stimulated.

147 brookly red  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:11:20am

re: #105 Power Armored Lizardoid

Yeah, that's true. Palin almost pulled it off, and I think she has some very Reaganesque qualities...but between the lib media assaulting her and McCain's people backstabbing her, she didn't have much of a chance...

Next time around the media assaults might just be an advantage given people's view of the media.

148 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:11:24am

re: #136 MandyManners

I keep on seeing Eric Cantor mentioned here. I've Googled him and both creationism and evolution but I can find nothing.

young lion in the House...I so wish some big time leadership would emerge from there and break the good old boys club racket

149 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:11:31am

re: #123 buzzsawmonkey

Jeff Dunham should have given the rebuttal. Whether he was assisted by Walter or by Achmed the Dead Terrorist or both, he would have done a great job.

I think a bunch of us should have given the rebuttal. Charles could have wired our seats and sent an electrical shock thru if one of us stepped out of line. It sure would have been spirited at least. Jindal seems like the kind of guy you would want at dinner ONLY if he picks up the check.

150 tokyobk  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:11:52am

Juan Williams is one of the few journalists left with integrity. Even where I disagree with him I don't question his motives and quite the opposite he makes me question my own process which is what writers/commentators did in the pre-infotainment era.

151 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:11:55am

re: #136 MandyManners

I keep on seeing Eric Cantor mentioned here. I've Googled him and both creationism and evolution but I can find nothing.

I like Eric Cantor... I also like Paul Ryan from WI... Too bad they are both simply Congressmen.

152 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:11:59am
153 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:10am

re: #82 Ward Cleaver

Phil Bredesen? Good job.

He is facing a Republican majority in the General Assembly for the first time since Reconstruction, and Democrats in general are running scared.

Hell, the new DNC treasurer gave gobs of money to the GOP when he was in private business.

154 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:12am

I also wonder about the timing for the GOP's "rebuttal" to The Zero's speech...why immediately following? did Jindal know what The Zero's speech was? (did Jindal have a chance/opportunity to review Obama's speech prior to his giving the rebuttal?) The proper moment (imo) would have been tonight or some time after....to give a proper rebuttal...

155 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:23am

re: #138 Charles

I think we've already established that there is one heck of a lot of "non-stimulus" in this "stimulus."

Can't wait for the Omnibus spending bill either!

156 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:24am

re: #133 Hengineer

Obama's speech was great, just wish it reflected reality.

Reduce the debt/deficit? How? When they keep passing bills for spending in the hundreds of billions that the Government just doesn't have it boggles the mind.

This is like the guy who pulls over and promises to give you a puppy. Maybe he really believes he has a puppy, maybe he really does have a puppy, but that's not why he pulled over.

Obama's motive is to control us and destroy the Repubicans.

157 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:26am

re: #47 Power Armored Lizardoid

I don't give a crap if Jindal (or any other Republican) is a smooth talker as long as he stands for the conservative ideals that I stand for...Hitler could make moving speeches that whipped the crowds up, but that doesn't mean I want another Hitler to lead our nation...

Of course, it's easy to be smooth and slick like President Hopenchange when you know the majority of the media is carrying water for you...

The American people want slick talkers. They want to be bullshitted and they lap it up. We need to groom some used car salesman to run for President.......
///////Sarc only on the last sentence.

158 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:36am

re: #105 Power Armored Lizardoid

Yeah, that's true. Palin almost pulled it off, and I think she has some very Reaganesque qualities...but between the lib media assaulting her and McCain's people backstabbing her, she didn't have much of a chance...

I didn't think she had very Reagan-esque qualities, especially not in the beginning. She showed that she was a little sheltered up in Alaska, and I don't remember Reagan even HAVING bad sound-byte moments in interviews, like they showed Palin having in her early interviews.

159 cronus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:38am

Last night was definitely not Jindal at his best, but a seriously doubt it has crippled his national prospects anymore than Bill Clinton's complete train wreck of a keynote speech at the 1988 convention stopped him from becoming President.

I'm saying this as someone who at this point would be perfectly happy if Jindal did in fact fade to the background. But 2012 is a long way off and most Americans were not watching either Obama's address and certainly not Jindal's response.

160 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:40am

re: #120 tfc3rid

IMHO both major parties are in the death grip of their own fringe extremists.

161 transient  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:41am

re: #111 Charles

I didn't actually say he was "anti-science," but I think signing that Discovery Institute atrocity into law is pretty good support for that contention.

I don't know if he falls into that category, but it's very telling that in the whole speech he couldn't come up with anything more specific than a slam at a relatively low-cost scientific program.


Making a trend of targeting the sciences is definitely not going to win him the centrist vote.

162 bulwrk  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:42am

I couldn't take my eyes off Pelosi it seems if Obama so much as farted she would jump up applauding with that freakishly creepy smile

163 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:45am

re: #141 albusteve

maybe Duncan Hunter has a plan after his vacation

Speaking of, I was glad to see that his son won his seat in CA.

164 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:50am

re: #138 Charles

I think we've already established that there is one heck of a lot of "non-stimulus" in this "stimulus."

But, however, nevertheless, irregardlessfully; while I agree with you that volcano monitoring is a good thing, and relatively cheap, it's also probably one of the more glaring, obvious examples of CLEAR decoupling from any idea of "economic stimulus". Even the Disney Maglev Train could arguably be called "stimulus", as it entails construction and infrastructure.

165 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:50am

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

But could you have drunk a glass of water while still explaining the flaws of the Stimulus and nationalized health care?

Haven't you been listening. Walter gave up drinking?

166 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:12:58am

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Maybe Pat Condell.

General populace would not understand him.

By the way, no posts tonight on LOST. I have a dress rehearsal tonight, so I won't be able to watch it until tomorrow morning, on line, at ABC, since I don't have any of that fancy TIVO stuff. No spoilers please.

167 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:24am

re: #148 albusteve

young lion in the House...I so wish some big time leadership would emerge from there and break the good old boys club racket

So do I.

168 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:25am

I think it's too early to worry about GOP challengers in 2012. If given their head, Obama's inexperience and incompetence will conspire to run him out of town on their own. He gives a great teleprompted speech, but that is IT. The breathtaking errors he's trotted out in just the first month of his administration have already dropped his approval rating by double digits, and he hasn't even tried to actually fix anything yet. The more he talks and the longer his pleasant sounding but insubstantial speeches continue to diverge from reality the easier it will be to get someone elected in 2012 who isn't a radical socialist with no governing experience. Sweet jebus, we're talking about a guy who thinks having a tax cheat run the IRS is a good idea. If the country manages to survive the next four years, the GOP can pretty much win in 2012 with anybody. Fate graciously gave us Reagan after Carter, but the biggest asset the GOP had was Carter himself.

169 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:25am

re: #162 bulwrk

I couldn't take my eyes off Pelosi it seems if Obama so much as farted she would jump up applauding with that freakishly creepy smile

She opened Pandora's botox.

170 tackle  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:32am

re: #101 Occasional Reader

It would be inappropriate in the context of a presidential speech. Such events have a certain gravitas, and call for pompeii and circumstance.

Oh give it a Everest!

171 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:36am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

No spoilers please.


No problem.

172 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:47am

re: #162 bulwrk

Brain addled, mood enhanced, drugged. IMHO.

173 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:49am

Addendum: he took a slam at a relatively low cost scientific program that has the potential to save a lot of lives in a major volcanic event. There are much more worthy targets of scorn in that bill.

174 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:54am
175 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:56am

re: #160 Ojoe

IMHO both major parties are in the death grip of their own fringe extremists.


Updings to the max.

Bobby Jindal should not be the GOP's leader of tomorrow, too many skeletons.

176 turn  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:57am

re: #64 VegasRick

Or even

[Link: www.christianpf.com...]

With a post like that Vegas the LLL are going to rant it sounds like a gecko chamber in here.

177 Spartacus50  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:13:58am

The Big O is only an effective speaker when he is reading from prepared remarks or from the TelePrompter. He also looks like a ventriloquist's dummy in his tuxedo

178 Pianobuff  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:14:04am

re: #155 tfc3rid

Can't wait for the Omnibus spending bill either!

I'm hearing that R's account for 40% of the earmarks. That's bad news, especially considering that given current party split that equates to nearly identical earmarks per elected official on both sides of the aisle. The Rs are going to look really bad on this, sad to say.....

179 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:14:20am

re: #162 bulwrk

I couldn't take my eyes off Pelosi it seems if Obama so much as farted she would jump up applauding with that freakishly creepy smile

I'm aliitle confused. Was Pelosi on the left or right? Other than one had less hair than the other......

180 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:14:21am
181 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:14:27am

george soros ... i'm sure he is profiting during the downturn. someone needs to do the definitive george soros documentary ... and they should do it well before Nov 2010. think his politics might be of interest to the electorate?

182 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:14:29am

re: #163 tfc3rid

Speaking of, I was glad to see that his son won his seat in CA.

indeed...Duncan is a good conservative imo and I assume his son is as well

183 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:14:40am

re: #173 Charles

Addendum: he took a slam at a relatively low cost scientific program that has the potential to save a lot of lives in a major volcanic event. There are much more worthy targets of scorn in that bill.

Of this we are definitely in agreement.

184 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:14:40am

Look at the bright side Charles, he wants to monitor volcanoes, not throw virgins into them.

185 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:14:46am

re: #154 J.S.

I also wonder about the timing for the GOP's "rebuttal" to The Zero's speech...why immediately following? did Jindal know what The Zero's speech was? (did Jindal have a chance/opportunity to review Obama's speech prior to his giving the rebuttal?) The proper moment (imo) would have been tonight or some time after....to give a proper rebuttal...

That's how it is done from State of the Union Addresses.

186 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:15:03am

re: #151 tfc3rid

I like Eric Cantor... I also like Paul Ryan from WI... Too bad they are both simply Congressmen.

"Simply congressmen"? Maybe so but, that office has power.

187 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:15:03am

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

But could you have drunk a glass of water while still explaining the flaws of the Stimulus and nationalized health care?

Yea, and it's better than living in that box with Achmed. He smells like a goat.

188 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:15:09am

re: #149 Nevergiveup

I think a bunch of us should have given the rebuttal. Charles could have wired our seats and sent an electrical shock thru if one of us stepped out of line. It sure would have been spirited at least. Jindal seems like the kind of guy you would want at dinner ONLY if he picks up the check.

If the upgrades to the server go well, downdings WILL send an electrical shock. California has been the test environment for that. Why do you think they are having brown-outs?

189 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:15:09am

re: #170 tackle

Oh give it a Everest!

I have a chip on my shoulder about this topic, and I cal-dare-a you to knock it off.

190 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:15:24am
191 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:15:33am

re: #138 Charles

I think we've already established that there is one heck of a lot of "non-stimulus" in this "stimulus."

The last time I was this "stimulated", I was visiting my Proctologist.

192 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:15:53am

re: #173 Charles

Addendum: he took a slam at a relatively low cost scientific program that has the potential to save a lot of lives in a major volcanic event. There are much more worthy targets of scorn in that bill.

Like fruit fly research?
//////

193 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:00am

re: #185 tfc3rid

That's how it is done from State of the Union Addresses.

Despite the fact that this wasn't a true State of the Union Address. It will function as one but it wasn't advertised and press-released as the State of the Union address.

Once again it sounded like a campaign speech, although it did sound amazing.

194 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:08am

re: #160 Ojoe

IMHO both major parties are in the death grip of their own fringe extremists.

Quite possible but I think that the Dem fringe has more of a chance of sestorying us as and our way of life than the right fringe.

195 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:12am

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Don't keep us in suspense. Who?

Walter you thespian I love you. But my choice is not popular here.
I plead the 5th.

196 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:16am

re: #159 cronus

Last night was definitely not Jindal at his best, but a seriously doubt it has crippled his national prospects anymore than Bill Clinton's complete train wreck of a keynote speech at the 1988 convention stopped him from becoming President.

I'm saying this as someone who at this point would be perfectly happy if Jindal did in fact fade to the background. But 2012 is a long way off and most Americans were not watching either Obama's address and certainly not Jindal's response.

As much as I despise Clinton, he has a lot of charisma and is a great speaker. I haven't seen either from Jindal.

197 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:18am

Or maybe he does. Somebody should ask him.

198 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:20am
199 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:31am

re: #186 MandyManners

"Simply congressmen"? Maybe so but, that office has power.

I'm a little put off by that myself

200 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:41am

re: #192 Walter L. Newton

Like fruit fly research?
//////

Uh, hello, I think you mean GLBT flies.

Try to be a little more sensitive, wouldja?

201 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:42am

re: #165 Nevergiveup

Haven't you been listening. Walter gave up drinking?

WHAT?

202 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:44am

re: #173 Charles

Mt. St. Helens, Maybe we should ignore this?

I cannot believe the mind of a politician.

203 realwest  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:51am

Charles - you've mentioned the "anti-science far righties" and I'm sorta confused.
I certainly understand the creationism/ID as anti-science, but were you referring to other anti-science issues of the far righties? And if so, which anti-science stuff do you mean?

204 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:16:56am

re: #173 Charles

Addendum: he took a slam at a relatively low cost scientific program that has the potential to save a lot of lives in a major volcanic event. There are much more worthy targets of scorn in that bill.

Do we have any idea who wrote that speech?

205 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:17:12am

I don't think Republicans have adequately explained why spending on diseases and volcanos is not stimulus. Won't people be doing it? Isn't that a job? That's what I've read on liberal websites.

But when the money runs out the job goes away, or when the job is over, as in highway building, the job goes away, because the money didn't create demand in the larger economy. Fox figured that for one highway project in Baltimore, announced by some pol in front of an earth mover, that it would create 10,000 jobs. The money worked out so that 87% of the money went towards salaries, and 13% went towards material like concrete.

Obama et al. can count, but they are betting that the American people can't.

206 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:17:15am

re: #195 Afrocity

Walter you thespian I love you. But my choice is not popular here.
I plead the 5th.

You big tease.

COME ON! You can't leave us hanging like this.

207 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:17:15am

re: #201 MandyManners

WHAT?

He's on the wagon.

208 Pianobuff  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:17:19am

re: #196 MandyManners

As much as I despise Clinton, he has a lot of charisma and is a great speaker. I haven't seen either from Jindal.

Yup you gotta hand it to ole Bubba - he had his talents.

209 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:17:31am

re: #192 Walter L. Newton

Like fruit fly research?
//////

How about
"SAVE THE MOUSE" in San Fransisco.

210 transient  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:17:33am

re: #160 Ojoe

IMHO both major parties are in the death grip of their own fringe extremists.


And starting the primary campaign season a full two years before the national election cannot possibly improve this sorry situation.

211 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:17:45am
212 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:18:03am

re: #157 LGoPs

The American people want slick talkers. They want to be bullshitted and they lap it up. We need to groom some used car salesman to run for President.......
///////Sarc only on the last sentence.

The messenger is the message.

213 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:18:25am

re: #186 MandyManners

"Simply congressmen"? Maybe so but, that office has power.

Well, the media would always portray them as 'just Congressmen'... Especially since they are Republicans. See how Duncan Hunter weas treated...

214 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:18:26am

re: #211 ploome hineni

McCain is not a conservative, and Bobby Jinday was not authentic

sad state

Well ones from Arizona and one is from Louisiana. Just saying.

215 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:18:41am
216 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:18:48am

re: #112 rexatosis

Jindal is done as a candidate for 2012. This was his chance at a "first impression" with the public-at-large and he did not even remotely seem "Presidential."

Maybe the GOP selected Jindal so everyone else who appears later will look better.

217 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:18:49am

re: #196 MandyManners

As much as I despise Clinton, he has a lot of charisma and is a great speaker. I haven't seen either from Jindal.

That's what the pundits said, was that Clinton's rebuttal to Reagan's speech really set off his career as the Democratic front-runner in 1992.

218 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:19:03am

re: #193 Hengineer

Despite the fact that this wasn't a true State of the Union Address. It will function as one but it wasn't advertised and press-released as the State of the Union address.

Once again it sounded like a campaign speech, although it did sound amazing.

Is your leg tingling?

219 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:19:06am

re: #184 Peacekeeper

Look at the bright side Charles, he wants to monitor volcanoes, not throw virgins into them.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

220 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:19:13am

re: #173 Charles

Addendum: he took a slam at a relatively low cost scientific program that has the potential to save a lot of lives in a major volcanic event. There are much more worthy targets of scorn in that bill.

People like Jindal need to educate themselves more on what's useful research versus pointless research, so they don't come off sounding stupid.

221 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:19:21am

re: #206 Occasional Reader

You big tease.

COME ON! You can't leave us hanging like this.

It is not Mitt Romney or Jindal.

222 cronus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:19:31am

Starting to see how the otherside is playing the volcano reference.

Jindal Versus the Volcano

Such a strange thing for Jindal to say, especially since he hails from the state that was ravaged by Katrina. (Which, ironically, was the subject of its own equally awkward moment). The volcano monitoring program was on a list of Republican talking points at one stage, but virtually none of them ran with it, apparently figuring that there were much better scabs to pick at.

223 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:19:35am

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

Taking issue with volcano monitoring when there are huge giveaways going on not only to failed banks and automakers, but to idiots who bought houses they couldn't pay for, shows a real instinct for the capillary rather than the jugular.

He was so bad, he actually made Obama look better.

224 realwest  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:19:42am

re: #161 transient
"Making a trend of targeting the sciences is definitely not going to win him the centrist vote of intelligent people."
There, fixed that for ya!

225 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:19:48am
226 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:19:59am

re: #213 tfc3rid

Well, the media would always portray them as 'just Congressmen'... Especially since they are Republicans. See how Duncan Hunter weas treated...

Hunter was not combative enough...a very real problem for the GOP...they need to punch people OUT once in a while

227 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:08am

Morning all. Okay, I know John Stossel is a libertarian and all, but sometimes he writes an interesting column. And today's seems pretty timely to me:

Judging Obama

I really liked his final sentence:

If, through your perseverance, things begin looking up, credit belongs not to President Obama and Congress. It belongs to you.

228 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:08am

re: #203 realwest

Charles - you've mentioned the "anti-science far righties" and I'm sorta confused.
I certainly understand the creationism/ID as anti-science, but were you referring to other anti-science issues of the far righties? And if so, which anti-science stuff do you mean?

Er, example, volcano monitoring.

229 Pianobuff  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:13am

re: #216 tommygum

Maybe the GOP selected Jindal so everyone else who appears later will look better.

I'm hoping they windmill a lot of different people into these kinds of settings. In my mind, nobody clearly stands out and it would be nice to throw a bunch against the wall and see if anybody sticks.

230 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:15am

re: #199 albusteve

I'm a little put off by that myself

Huh?

231 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:16am

re: #218 tfc3rid

Is your leg tingling?

I almost felt an Obamagasm.

232 tackle  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:27am

re: #189 Occasional Reader

I have a chip on my shoulder about this topic, and I cal-dare-a you to knock it off.

Fuji whiz, excuse me while a blow off a little steam. Since you clearly have the mantle of pun czar, I'll try not to make a rift.

233 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:28am
234 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:42am

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

Taking issue with volcano monitoring when there are huge giveaways going on not only to failed banks and automakers, but to idiots who bought houses they couldn't pay for, shows a real instinct for the capillary rather than the jugular.

well put

235 Power Armored Lizardoid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:43am

re: #157 LGoPs

The American people want slick talkers. They want to be bullshitted and they lap it up. We need to groom some used car salesman to run for President.......
///////Sarc only on the last sentence.

I really think you don't need the sarc tag...Unfortunately, for the majority of Americans (who get their news from The Daily Show and Keith Olberdouche) what you said was dead-on...

re: #158 Hengineer

I didn't think she had very Reagan-esque qualities, especially not in the beginning. She showed that she was a little sheltered up in Alaska, and I don't remember Reagan even HAVING bad sound-byte moments in interviews, like they showed Palin having in her early interviews.

Au contraire...I think she definitely can connect with Joe SixPack like Reagan did...And she seems like a real person like Reagan was... Which is what scared the absolute bajeebers out of the Liberal Mediots...

As an aside, does me being a born-again Christian make me an anti-science right-winger? (Says the man that is a computer tech by trade, and who is considering going back to school to get a nanotechnology degree...) ;)

236 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:44am

re: #203 realwest

Charles - you've mentioned the "anti-science far righties" and I'm sorta confused.
I certainly understand the creationism/ID as anti-science, but were you referring to other anti-science issues of the far righties? And if so, which anti-science stuff do you mean?

There are some who doubt plate tectonics.

237 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:20:50am

re: #199 albusteve

I think that was a commentary on how relatively unknown most congressmen are(some even in their own districts)unless they have years of service,and sit on high profile commitees.

238 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:03am

re: #219 MandyManners

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Of course nobody really knows how many virgins we might need if yellowstone blows. We need a Federal virgin registry, Bill Clinton could head it up (pun intended).

239 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:05am

re: #185 tfc3rid

Oh, I see, so now it's a "State of the Union Address?" lol, wasn't aware of that...(anyway, I wouldn't even call Jindal's speech a "rebuttal", especially when/if the rebuttal person is not even aware of the contents of the original speech...strikes me as problematic...it's all this "instant" stuff, snap responses, etc.)

240 deymond  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:10am

re: #173 Charles

It's a great example of what doesn't belong in a stimulus bill. Now maybe you heard the debate on whether we needed more funding for volcano monitoring, and maybe we do, but we all know that it doesn't belong in a stimulus bill (which should be focused on investments with high multipliers).

241 freeus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:14am

As I said on another thread, I have seen Jindal perform tons better and I think the teleprompter was a bad idea.

I am a Creation believer and pro-life, but I would never let either one of those ideologies dictate how I vote. For example, I would have voted for Guilianni or Romney either one and been thrilled to do so. Until this last GOP primary in all honesty I kept wondering what the heck a far right person was; I had never encountered such a thing until the moves that were made by some that gave us McCain, and then when faced with McCain or Obama some in our party either stayed at home or voted for Obama just to stick it to the GOP. I guess what I am trying to say is that I hope most here realize there are some of us that would not blindly support Jindal just because he is a Creationists.

I agree Romney would have been a great choice to respond. He gets this economy and the importance of all that is capitalism. I am afraid because his wife was reported to be ill again that this might not allow him to be more out front and the far right might have indeed tossed enough cold water on him ever running again. Since the far right could not understand why McCain needed to win over Obama, it might be a good idea to disregard some of what they have to say in the future. These people just do not seem to think in big picture terms. I am not suggesting we ignore the Base because I am in that group, but far righties need to expand their viewmasters capabilities. They were so in a wad over Romney and Rudy's stance of pro-life that they could realize what would happen to the unborn if Obama got elected. So, how do you far right members like the first week of Obama's policies on the unborn, hmmmmm? Somehow I do not see Rudy or Mitt funding abortions worldwide. You guys enjoying all of our rights being flushed down the toilet? I would like to take this opportunity to mega, triple trillion ditto Mandy Manners comments to those who stayed at home and did not vote for McCain. I hope your houses are the first the brown shirts visit!

As to Jindal's bedtime story manner, at some point during the election there was a story that ran saying many folks across the fruited plains read or receive info on a level as low as a 7th grader. No kidding! I think one thing to remember is that most of us waiting for Jindal wanted someone with pistols strapped across his chest saying something akin to, "You are not going to kill this nation without one hell of a fight from us!" Well maybe not, but it seems most people did want more passion and calling out of the Left in a demonstrative manner. Jindal is no Heston and that is really what I wanted. We wanted a "from my cold dead hands!" speech and we got "Goldilocks". God help us! If anyone from the GOP is reading this thread, get your stuff together folks or our nation is toast! Get someone ASAP that has the proverbial fire in the belly STAT!

242 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:15am

re: #207 Nevergiveup

He's on the wagon.

WHAT?

243 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:20am

re: #184 Peacekeeper

Look at the bright side Charles, he wants to monitor volcanoes, not throw virgins into them.

Okay, but is he against exorcising the devil in the mountain?

244 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:30am

re: #218 tfc3rid

Is your leg tingling?

No, but my brain hurts.

245 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:32am

re: #229 Pianobuff

I'm hoping they windmill a lot of different people into these kinds of settings. In my mind, nobody clearly stands out and it would be nice to throw a bunch against the wall and see if anybody sticks.

Jindal was chosen as the counterpart to Obama.

Young minority male who looks pretty and can sound good on TV.

246 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:32am

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

but to idiots who bought houses they couldn't pay for

But none of those "irresponsible" people will get bailouts. Obama said so, so it must be true.

(Speaking of which, fellow NPR masochist, I was pleasantly surprised when NPR this morning did a fairly blunt "fact check" on The One's speech, including (but not limited to) pointing out that he's proposed nothing concrete to distinguish the "responsible" from the "irresponsible" on this point, and that any attempt to do so would get very expensive, very quickly.)

247 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:41am

re: #208 Pianobuff

Yup you gotta hand it to ole Bubba - he had his talents.

I'm just gonna' refrain at this point.

248 aggieann  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:50am

re: #196 MandyManners

As much as I despise Clinton, he has a lot of charisma and is a great speaker. I haven't seen either from Jindal.

I agree. I lived in Arkansas when he was governor, and since it's small state you'd see him and/or Hillary out and about occasionally. In the airport, for example, they'd walk by and you simply couldn't take your eyes off of them. He radiates a confidence and compelling-ness that is is almost supernatural. There are few people whom I despise more, however.

249 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:21:52am

re: #184 Peacekeeper

Look at the bright side Charles, he wants to monitor volcanoes, not throw virgins into them.

Hmmm. Maybe if we did throw virgins into the volcanoes all the islamo-terrorists would jump in after them. Just a thought.

250 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:22:00am

Ultimately nothing FDR did pulled us out of the "depression". It took a real WAR to do that. Food for thought.

251 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:22:08am

re: #230 MandyManners

Huh?

that mere Congressmen are implied as not fit for national leadership

252 realwest  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:22:08am

re: #221 Afrocity
Aw heck, ok it's not Jindal or Romney - who is it or who else isn't it?!

253 turn  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:22:10am

re: #162 bulwrk

I couldn't take my eyes off Pelosi it seems if Obama so much as farted she would jump up applauding with that freakishly creepy smile

The turnwife said she must have had a spring on her ass, cracked me up.

254 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:22:34am

re: #202 Ojoe

Mt. St. Helens, Maybe we should ignore this?

I cannot believe the mind of a politician.

Right, imagine something like that near a major city. Not far-fetched at all in the Pacific Northwest.

255 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:22:42am

I didn't like the way CNN introduced Jindal on the Lou Dobbs show Candy Crowley said basically the GOP was known as the party of old white people and Jindal was their answer to that. I found her statements to be racist, then she called Jindal an American Indian. She later corrected herself.

This so reminds me of the Obama supporter in my building who I caught yelling the "N" word at the TV screen in our lobby when the Chicago Cubs lost the playoffs. Hypocrites.

256 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:22:43am

re: #213 tfc3rid

Well, the media would always portray them as 'just Congressmen'... Especially since they are Republicans. See how Duncan Hunter weas treated...

The GOP needs to figure out how to hire some good PR people who will take the MFM by their throats and get their attention.

257 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:22:43am

re: #226 albusteve

Hunter was not combative enough...a very real problem for the GOP...they need to punch people OUT once in a while

I can not agree more... Too congenial...

258 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:23:10am

re: #235 Power Armored Lizardoid

Au contraire...I think she definitely can connect with Joe SixPack like Reagan did...And she seems like a real person like Reagan was... Which is what scared the absolute bajeebers out of the Liberal Mediots...

As an aside, does me being a born-again Christian make me an anti-science right-winger? (Says the man that is a computer tech by trade, and who is considering going back to school to get a nanotechnology degree...) ;)

I do agree that she connected VERY well with "Joe Six-Pack", her public speaking with a teleprompter was good, she couldn't reach Reagan in his public speaking abilities, nor his smoothness when dealing with fast-talking reporters.

259 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:23:18am

re: #231 Hengineer

I almost felt an Obamagasm.

Why is it that Dems always seem to cause those?

260 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:23:19am

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

Taking issue with volcano monitoring when there are huge giveaways going on not only to failed banks and automakers, but to idiots who bought houses they couldn't pay for, shows a real instinct for the capillary rather than the jugular.

Something along that vein.

261 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:23:30am

re: #232 tackle

Fuji whiz, excuse me while a blow off a little steam. Since you clearly have the mantle of pun czar, I'll try not to make a rift.

And what kind of crack-atoa is that supposed to be?

262 lennysquiggy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:23:32am

OT: I realized something today...

Whenever the Dems go after the private sector, the debate is framed in the same way:

DEMS: "We have to regulate and bring the fat cat CEOs under control!"
GOP: "No, we shouldn't do that."

Over time, the GOP will always lose because they are always on the defensive - always saying "no." The best case scenario is a slippery slope of increasing regulation through compromise and capitulation. That's how we got to this point with the health care industry.

There has to be a way to get CEOs from large corporations and small businesses into the country's consciousness by laying out the case against increased nationalization of the private sector. Maybe that is where we will find the next great GOP voice. I don't know... I'm just venting. But I think there's something to it.

/ugh

263 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:23:32am
264 bulwrk  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:23:45am

Jindal was clownish he might as well have come out and given his rebuttal in a Mardi Gras costume.

265 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:23:50am

Mt. Redoubt and monitoring

Jindal wants to cut this monitoring while NOAA is probably spending a half Billion or more on Hurricane monitoring for his region. Think again Hypocrite.

266 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:23:58am

re: #217 Hengineer

That's what the pundits said, was that Clinton's rebuttal to Reagan's speech really set off his career as the Democratic front-runner in 1992.

I don't think they can say so about Jindal's speech last night.

267 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:24:03am

re: #250 Nevergiveup

Ultimately nothing FDR did pulled us out of the "depression". It took a real WAR to do that. Food for thought.

But he got credit for pulling us out of the depression. Obama's policies could postpone a recovery for three years -- just in time to get credit for a recovery when he's up for reelection. You know the media will continue to blame the past administration for the bad economy. .

268 Pianobuff  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:24:09am

re: #255 Afrocity

I didn't like the way CNN introduced Jindal on the Lou Dobbs show Candy Crowley said basically the GOP was known as the party of old white people and Jindal was their answer to that. I found her statements to be racist, then she called Jindal an American Indian. She later corrected herself.

This so reminds me of the Obama supporter in my building who I caught yelling the "N" word at the TV screen in our lobby when the Chicago Cubs lost the playoffs. Hypocrites.

Matthews said that the rebuttal was "outsourced" to Jindal. Cringeworthy, indeed.

269 Mikey_Dallas  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:24:21am

Seems to me that whole Juan William "sing-song" comment is awfully close to being an anti-Indian slur.......

270 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:24:23am

re: #173 Charles

It's not just volcanoes. Earthquakes and floods too.

271 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:24:25am

re: #217 Hengineer

That's what the pundits said, was that Clinton's rebuttal to Reagan's speech really set off his career as the Democratic front-runner in 1992.

But these things are dangerous because one of the attributes of sociopaths especially "socialized sociopaths" is that they are highly charismatic. The charisma allows the speaker more easily cajole the listeners into dropping their defenses. That's why "Nice" is not a virtue, it is a social strategy, so says Gavin Debecker, protection specialist, and consultant on predators and stalkers.

272 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:24:28am

re: #233 ploome hineni

so, lets have frybread with the gumbo

/hungry now

Why would you make a snide stereotypical remark? Go ahead and trash LA. and Az., Cajuns and American Indians, everybody in those states are munching on the old gumbo or fry bread.

IMHO, not nice.

273 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:24:32am
274 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:24:47am

re: #250 Nevergiveup

Ultimately nothing FDR did pulled us out of the "depression". It took a real WAR to do that. Food for thought.

With the 0 in charge, if war comes, he gives me the feeling he'll surrender and apologize for using up the other side's ammo.
Arugula eating surrender monkey.

275 transient  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:24:48am

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

Taking issue with volcano monitoring when there are huge giveaways going on not only to failed banks and automakers, but to idiots who bought houses they couldn't pay for, shows a real instinct for the capillary rather than the jugular.

Are you suggesting Jindal isn't worth his basalt?

276 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:24:56am
277 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:01am

re: #259 tfc3rid

Why is it that Dems always seem to cause those?

Not just any Democrat though.

Hillary just causes sphincter puckers.

278 yesandno  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:11am

I like Jindal...but the creationist stuff makes him a no go.

Jindal was given the nod because he is the face of the 'new' Republican party....as they define it:
1. He did a great job in the hurricane preparations of this past year.
2. He is 'of' color..in sight if not in reality.
3. He believes in Conservatism and acts that way.
4. He is young.
5. He is a Governor.
6. He relates to the immigrant.
7. He can appeal to the religious right.
Most of all, he bears a lot of the background checklist of someone who could go against the present President...poor, up from the bottom, hard working, good mind, etc.

Problem is, they have yet to define what a Republican should be. And they are going to loose until they figure that out.

Jindal is not the one.....not sure who is just yet.

279 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:15am

re: #254 Charles

Right, imagine something like that near a major city. Not far-fetched at all in the Pacific Northwest.

If God wants to punish some sinful liberal city with a volcano, who are we to "monitor" His plans or stand in His way?

/need I

280 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:16am

re: #246 Occasional Reader

But none of those "irresponsible" people will get bailouts. Obama said so, so it must be true.

HA HA HA HA HA

281 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:23am

re: #238 Peacekeeper

Of course nobody really knows how many virgins we might need if yellowstone blows. We need a Federal virgin registry, Bill Clinton could head it up (pun intended).

Oh, goodness. We're doomed if he knows where they live.

282 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:23am

re: #233 ploome hineni

so, lets have frybread with the gumbo

/hungry now

I'll bring the beer.

283 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:24am
284 Zimriel  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:48am

Volcano monitoring falls under the "pollution prevention" heading of federal control. When volcanoes blow up, their ash drifts across state lines. Even states-rights ideologues ought to support a united front on this. Especially while the volcanoes in Alaska are acting up.

I agree that environmental spending ought not to be part of the stimulus bill, as this Depression is not an environmental emergency. But that much can be hashed out on the floor of Congress. The response to an Obama speech is not the place for it.

Jindal is pandering to the anti-science fringe, and (I think) baiting Palin. He's an immature little dweeb and deserves his wedgie from Krauthammer.

285 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:48am

I thought about running for public office for a while. I still do occasionally, what with the whole "Put your money where your mouth is" thing. I just prefer my privacy too much and I don't want my life to be laid out for the world to see.

286 tackle  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:51am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

And what kind of crack-atoa is that supposed to be?

You know me, I gotta go with the flow. Gotta run. Have a great day OR!

287 Power Armored Lizardoid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:53am

re: #258 Hengineer

I do agree that she connected VERY well with "Joe Six-Pack", her public speaking with a teleprompter was good, she couldn't reach Reagan in his public speaking abilities, nor his smoothness when dealing with fast-talking reporters.

Yeah, that's true. The man could think fast on his feet...he could take someone down a notch in that charming 'aww shucks' sort of way that he had. Dang, we need another Reagan...

288 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:25:54am
289 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:08am

re: #255 Afrocity

then she called Jindal an American Indian

Oh, dear.

290 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:13am

re: #242 MandyManners

WHAT?

It was a joke and play on words. But Walter has said in the past he does not drink Booze any more.

291 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:14am

re: #279 Occasional Reader

If God wants to punish some sinful liberal city with a volcano, who are we to "monitor" His plans or stand in His way?

/need I

Heh. We need a /falwell tag.

292 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:14am

re: #251 albusteve

that mere Congressmen are implied as not fit for national leadership

I think they certainly are, as they are already leaders on the National stage...

It's just that the media (kingmakers in it) don't see it that way...

293 realwest  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:15am

re: #236 MandyManners
"There are some who doubt plate tectonics." What?
Getoutofhere! Who the hell can doubt plate tectonics (and I hope none of 'em is in California or anywhere on the West Coast or parts of the Southwest cause their doubts could be rudely erased!)?

294 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:24am

re: #203 realwest

Charles - you've mentioned the "anti-science far righties" and I'm sorta confused.
I certainly understand the creationism/ID as anti-science, but were you referring to other anti-science issues of the far righties? And if so, which anti-science stuff do you mean?

Young Earth Creationists are by definition at war with most of science. Their beliefs, by definition, are at odds with physics (plate tectonics and the speed of light) and biology. Those examples are just off the top of my head.

295 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:45am
296 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:48am

re: #256 MandyManners

The GOP needs to figure out how to hire some good PR people who will take the MFM by their throats and get their attention.

The MFMSM would die before helping Republicans.
The newspapers are on their way out. TV will become all "reality", and they can be controlled because they need an FCC license.

297 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:53am

Right, Jindal crossed off the list, who's next on the roster?

298 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:56am

re: #246 Occasional Reader

But none of those "irresponsible" people will get bailouts. Obama said so, so it must be true.

(Speaking of which, fellow NPR masochist, I was pleasantly surprised when NPR this morning did a fairly blunt "fact check" on The One's speech, including (but not limited to) pointing out that he's proposed nothing concrete to distinguish the "responsible" from the "irresponsible" on this point, and that any attempt to do so would get very expensive, very quickly.)

Is your windshield peppered wiith pig poop?

299 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:26:57am

re: #275 transient

Are you suggesting Jindal isn't worth his basalt?

What an igneousorant remark.

300 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:27:01am

re: #256 MandyManners

The GOP needs to figure out how to hire some good PR people who will take the MFM by their throats and get their attention.

Amen!

301 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:27:07am

re: #202 Ojoe

Mt. St. Helens, Maybe we should ignore this?

I cannot believe the mind of a politician.

Mt. Rainier could be much worse.

302 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:27:18am

re: #276 buzzsawmonkey

"Hey, I'm a bozo. Would you like to squeeze my nose? Many people like to. Go on, squeeze the wheeze."

--Firesign Theater, "I Think We're All Bozos on This Bus"

All bozos clone under the big blue bee, up against the Wall of Science.

303 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:27:29am

Why is it that we have come to a cul de sac in history?

Why is it that so many people who have benefited for so long from a prosperity engine unrivaled in history now reject that engine?

They reject it as "irresponsible".

They reject it as "greedy".

They reject it as "destructive to the earth's resources".

This engine was built by a simple, radical idea - allow free men and women to use their creative talents freely, so as to do more with less. So as to create more productive means of delivering goods and services. So as to create new products and services that their parents could not have imagined. So as to create waves and waves of new, interesting jobs that remove us further and further from the toil and drudgery of simply working the land to survive.

And that same engine - that engine of the free - consumes resources wisely, because where there is waste a competitor finds an opportunity. And by doing so, forces other players to be more responsible with the economy's resources.

So why is this rejected?

Because that very prosperity, as it was shared with the world, caused those in the US to resent it. To take it for granted and only see the costs, and none of the benefits.

So they are dismantling it. At the world's peril.

304 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:27:31am

re: #218 tfc3rid

Is your leg tingling?

Listening to Jindal, my leg went numb.

305 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:27:32am

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

Young Earth Creationists are by definition at war with most of science. Their beliefs, by definition, are at odds with physics (plate tectonics and the speed of light) and biology. Those examples are just off the top of my head.

Let's not forget Christian Scientists.

Oh my baby has cancer! I must not be faithful enough, I must pray harder!

306 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:27:42am

re: #248 aggieann

I agree. I lived in Arkansas when he was governor, and since it's small state you'd see him and/or Hillary out and about occasionally. In the airport, for example, they'd walk by and you simply couldn't take your eyes off of them. He radiates a confidence and compelling-ness that is is almost supernatural. There are few people whom I despise more, however.

Does he strut?

307 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:27:53am
308 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:28:19am

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

Young Earth Creationists are by definition at war with most of science. Their beliefs, by definition, are at odds with physics (plate tectonics and the speed of light) and biology. Those examples are just off the top of my head.

You got plate tectonics and biology on your head? Yucch.

309 Pianobuff  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:28:22am

Today's Headlines

Movie Page: Bobby vs. the Volcano
Music Page: You Don't Mess Around with Joe

310 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:28:30am

re: #268 Pianobuff

Matthews said that the rebuttal was "outsourced" to Jindal. Cringeworthy, indeed.

I had the displeasure of having breakfast with Chris Matthews.

He is a pompus asshat.

311 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:28:33am

re: #292 tfc3rid

I think they certainly are, as they are already leaders on the National stage...

It's just that the media (kingmakers in it) don't see it that way...

the MSM is my dire enemy...this is why

312 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:28:41am

re: #256 MandyManners

Can't hire someone to do that,you gotta have it in you already.you need killer instinct,with class.(kinda like some one we all know.)

313 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:28:45am

re: #251 albusteve

that mere Congressmen are implied as not fit for national leadership

I didn't say it. I was quoting.

314 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:28:50am

re: #250 Nevergiveup

Ultimately nothing FDR did pulled us out of the "depression". It took a real WAR to do that. Food for thought.

Also, it's debatable whether the war really "ended" the Depression, or merely transformed it into something worse.

315 realwest  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:29:07am

re: #173 Charles
Uh, respectfully Charles, I don't think that it's worthy of scorn at all - even if there are more scorn worthy matters.
And I can't figure out how the hell Jindal came up with that in the first place!

316 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:29:15am

re: #261 Occasional Reader

And what kind of crack-atoa is that supposed to be?

I lava a good pun thread.

317 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:29:15am

re: #293 realwest

"There are some who doubt plate tectonics." What?
Getoutofhere! Who the hell can doubt plate tectonics (and I hope none of 'em is in California or anywhere on the West Coast or parts of the Southwest cause their doubts could be rudely erased!)?

just paper plate tectonics to them

318 turn  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:29:23am

re: #231 Hengineer

I almost felt an Obamagasm.

Clean up on isle 5 ...

319 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:29:25am
320 Peacekeeper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:29:26am

Obama's gonna cure cancer. Cancer must be scared.

321 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:29:48am

re: #248 aggieann

I agree. I lived in Arkansas when he was governor, and since it's small state you'd see him and/or Hillary out and about occasionally. In the airport, for example, they'd walk by and you simply couldn't take your eyes off of them. He radiates a confidence and compelling-ness that is is almost supernatural. There are few people whom I despise more, however.

Part of that is his build, and his very strong masculine facial features, those signal an alpha male, which our brains are conditioned to respond to. Did you hear Dick Morris' story about having an argument with Bill, and when he turned to leave and walked towards the door, Bill tackled Morris' from behind? Hillary help pick up Morris' and apologized profusely for Bill saying, "You know how he gets." Bill had walked off furious. Morris' was outraged.

That is sociopathic behavior.

322 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:29:49am

re: #298 MandyManners

Is your windshield peppered wiith pig poop?

I commute by Metro, to reduce my carbon footprint. Therefore, I'm better than you.

323 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:29:54am

re: #313 MandyManners

I didn't say it. I was quoting.

I know that...bad fu is all

324 Ziggy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:30:00am

re: #250 Nevergiveup

Ultimately nothing FDR did pulled us out of the "depression". It took a real WAR to do that. Food for thought.

Actually, yesterday I heard an interview with a libertarian economist on the Dennis Prager Show (I forget his name) and he said that WW2 only solved the unemployment problem. The depression ended after the war when government spending was dramatically cut. The more the government spends the worse the economy is. (over simplified of course)

Now that could be wrong too, what do I know, but it made sense tome.

325 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:30:04am
326 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:30:06am

re: #256 MandyManners

The GOP needs to figure out how to hire some good PR people who will take the MFM by their throats and get their attention.

I agree but do all the PR people work for the left?

327 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:30:22am

Iraqi professor asks Israel for shipment of Hebrew books

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

When this professor has to run for his life and settle in Israel, he'll have no trouble getting all the books he needs.

328 transient  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:30:35am

re: #299 Occasional Reader

What an igneousorant remark.


That's not very gneiss.
Aa am extremely offended.

329 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:30:36am

re: #314 Occasional Reader

Also, it's debatable whether the war really "ended" the Depression, or merely transformed it into something worse.

I really doubt it transformed it. Right after the War we benefited that Europe and Japan were both completely destroyed more or less, and we had our industries pumping out all sorts of weapons and tanks and stuff, and it was just a matter of course to transform our manufacturing into consumer products. As the sole supplier, we basically took off and didn't look back until crazy inflation caused by fighting both the Vietnam war and LBJ's "War on Poverty" destroyed us again.

330 Last Mohican  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:30:38am

Via Drudge:

Governor Phil Bredesen (D-TN) is considering rejecting porkulus aid.

Senator Robert Byrd (D-KKK) says Obama's appointment of "czars" is a power grab.

331 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:30:47am

re: #270 Killgore Trout

It's not just volcanoes. Earthquakes and floods too.

Folks from Chicago to New Orleans will suffer when--not if--the New Madrid Fault goes BOOM again.

332 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:31:04am

re: #302 Kosh's Shadow

All bozos clone under the big blue bee, up against the Wall of Science.

Please restate that in the form of a question. Thank you, [BARNEY!].

333 freedombilly  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:31:11am

Rush is going to address why the criticism of Jindal was off base after this commercial break.

334 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:31:21am

re: #271 DistantThunder

But these things are dangerous because one of the attributes of sociopaths especially "socialized sociopaths" is that they are highly charismatic. The charisma allows the speaker more easily cajole the listeners into dropping their defenses. That's why "Nice" is not a virtue, it is a social strategy, so says Gavin Debecker, protection specialist, and consultant on predators and stalkers.

Same with narcissists.

335 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:31:36am

re: #315 realwest

Uh, respectfully Charles, I don't think that it's worthy of scorn at all - even if there are more scorn worthy matters.
And I can't figure out how the hell Jindal came up with that in the first place!

Which is why I'd like to know who wrote that damn speech for him... If that came from someone within the GOP hierarchy, they should be canned...

336 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:31:37am

re: #274 Kosh's Shadow

With the 0 in charge, if war comes, he gives me the feeling he'll surrender and apologize for using up the other side's ammo.
Arugula eating surrender monkey.

And it took a war because it dramatically increased demand for consumable items. Tanks, uniforms, bullets, etc. We have nothing similiar to increase demand now in this economy. EXCEPT the increase in the number of people who can now afford homes, and the huge surge in the re-fi business. And the gun and ammo business.

337 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:31:41am

re: #208 Pianobuff

Yup you gotta hand it to ole Bubba - he had his talents.

Yeah, like diddling the hired help instead of doing his job.......although I seem to recall that he kept pointedly reminding us of how hard he was working for the American people.
POS

338 Pianobuff  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:31:56am

re: #316 Kosh's Shadow

I lava a good pun thread.

Ahhh... taken in by the subduction of a good pun thread, are you?

339 deymond  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:32:05am

re: #284 Zimriel

Maybe you didn't follow the way things were being hashed out in congress. Republicans aren't going to have leverage to negotiate in congress unless we take our case to the public.

340 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:32:10am

re: #291 Charles
gotcha covered: /$

341 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:32:34am

re: #320 Peacekeeper

Obama's gonna cure cancer. Cancer must be scared.

Did he really say that?

I guess by sacrificing those who have cancer we will learn more and be able to research it under the new socialized healthcare for all (except the infirmed)...

342 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:32:58am

re: #293 realwest

"There are some who doubt plate tectonics." What?
Getoutofhere! Who the hell can doubt plate tectonics (and I hope none of 'em is in California or anywhere on the West Coast or parts of the Southwest cause their doubts could be rudely erased!)?

Oh, yes. They exist. Just Google Plate Tectonics and Doubters. Maybe Plate Tectonics and Young Earth Ceationists.

343 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:33:06am

re: #177 Spartacus50

The Big O is only an effective speaker when he is reading from prepared remarks or from the TelePrompter. He also looks like a ventriloquist's dummy in his tuxedo

With Soro's hand up his ass.

344 Mikey_Dallas  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:33:44am

re: #316 Kosh's Shadow

Stop pumicing me with these puns !

345 DistantThunder  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:33:52am

re: #331 MandyManners

Folks from Chicago to New Orleans will suffer when--not if--the New Madrid Fault goes BOOM again.

OK, now I'm going to have nightmares again after I saw this on Discovery Channel. I live 40 miles from the shore in South Jersey.

346 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:33:57am

re: #263 buzzsawmonkey

If we do get rid of volcano monitoring, populations in at-risk areas will just have to go with the flow.

And they will all be pumiced for the poor decision making of a few......

347 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:34:02am

re: #296 Kosh's Shadow

The MFMSM would die before helping Republicans.
The newspapers are on their way out. TV will become all "reality", and they can be controlled because they need an FCC license.

I'm not saying that the MFM will help. I'm saying that the GOP needs to hire some PR folks who know how to stomp ass.

348 Dan G.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:34:08am

re: #254 Charles

Volcanoes dangerous... bah! Vesuvius what?

/

349 Power Armored Lizardoid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:34:15am

re: #337 LGoPs

Yeah, like diddling the hired help instead of doing his job.......although I seem to recall that he kept pointedly reminding us of how hard he was working for the American people.
POS

Yeah, he was always 'polling' the electorate... lol

350 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:34:26am

re: #329 Hengineer

Right after the War we benefited that Europe and Japan were both completely destroyed more or less, and we had our industries pumping out all sorts of weapons and tanks and stuff

Oh, after the War, certainly. And, perhaps, in the period between 9/1/39 and 12/7/41, when we could sell to others, but weren't in the War ourselves. But the War period itself (for us) entailed rationing, mass conscription, hundreds of thousands killed, etc. I have trouble thinking of that as a "cure" for the Depression.

351 bulwrk  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:34:36am

re: #333 freedombilly

Rush is going to address why the criticism of Jindal was off base after this commercial break.

Rush can put a happy face on it if he wants,but that won't change what I saw last night he was horrible.

352 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:34:51am

re: #181 _RememberTonyC

george soros ... i'm sure he is profiting during the downturn. someone needs to do the definitive george soros documentary ... and they should do it well before Nov 2010. think his politics might be of interest to the electorate?

Soros is a fucking Kapo.

353 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:34:54am

So far the shouldn't run Republicans have the attention from the media. The only good thing is there is nearly 2 years to build a strong fiscal case for conservatism.

Jindal only looked good in comparison to what were his predecessors.

354 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:34:55am

I think you can make a case that volcano monitoring is a form of "stimulus." If one of these babies lets go right next to a city, a lot of folks won't be worrying about their mortgages any more.

355 subsailor68  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:35:00am

If we want to separate "responsible" from "irresponsible" borrowers, how about a few simple questions:

1. Did you know that your income/qualifications were being inflated during your loan application process? If not, why not?

2. Did you go for a no-money down, adjustable rate mortgage on a home that was at or above your ability to pay? If so, why?

3. Did you take one or more equity loans against your home as the perceived value rose? If so, why? And what did you do with the money?

4. Did you take a mortgage on a house that you really couldn't afford, because you watched those shows that told you how to "flip" real estate? (You know, those same people who are now "showing" you how to buy foreclosed properties on the cheap?) If so, what were you thinking?

5. Did you take these "easy money" loans to buy a second or third home? If so, did you put your primary home at risk as well? Why?

If the answer to any of the above questions is Yes. You were a) irresponsible, and b) not eligible for assistance. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Thanks.

356 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:35:15am

re: #338 Pianobuff

Ahhh... taken in by the subduction of a good pun thread, are you?

And whose fault is that?

357 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:35:38am

Volcanoes and Superquakes: Living with Geologic Hazards in the Pacific Northwest

About 7,700 years ago, Mazama -- which then towered more than 12,000 feet above sea level -- erupted so large a volume of material -- perhaps forty cubic miles of frothy volcanic glass called pumice -- that its former summit collapsed, forming the basin, five by six miles in diameter, that now holds the azure waters of Crater Lake. In the first phase of its suicidal paroxysm, Mazama ejected a column of ash that rose 30 miles into the air, showering orange-colored pumice over 500,000 square miles in eight western states and southern Canada. As new vents encircling the entire cone opened during the eruption's second stage, roiling avalanches of incandescent pumice swept down all sides of the mountain, some traveling as far as 35 miles from the volcano. With its internal storehouse of molten rock rapidly emptied, the volcano's upper cone subsided to fill the void, transforming a towering peak into a vast hole in the ground. As geologists observe, a comparable eruption today would create a regional disaster...

Mazama and St. Helens are but two in a chain of geologically youthful volcanoes in the Cascade Range, which extends for 700 miles from Lassen Peak in northern California through Oregon and Washington to Mounts Garibaldi and Meager in British Columbia. During the last 350 years, at least eight have erupted: Baker, Glacier Peak, Rainier, and St. Helens in Washington; Mount Hood in Oregon; and Mount Shasta, Lassen Peak, and Cinder Cone in California . Geologists are particularly worried about future eruptions at Mount Rainer (14,411 feet), which supports a cubic mile of glacial ice, the nation's largest single-peak glacier system south of Alaska. Hot rock ejected onto the volcano's ice fields causes rapid melting, producing enormous lahars that rush at speeds of twenty-five to forty miles an hour downvalley before spreading out into the eastern Puget Sound lowland. About 150,000 people now live atop Rainier's recent lahar deposits -- directly in the path of future mudflows -- but many more of the area's 2.5 million inhabitants are likely to be affected when the volcano next erupts. Extensive deforestation of the Puget Sound lowlands has removed barriers that previously restricted a mudflow's lateral extent, ensuring that future lahars will travel faster and farther than ever before. Even in locations untouched by lahars, the loss of crucial highways, bridges, businesses, residential developments, and shopping centers will disrupt innumerable lives.

358 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:35:53am

re: #312 Boondock St. Bender

Can't hire someone to do that,you gotta have it in you already.you need killer instinct,with class.(kinda like some one we all know.)

They don't grow on trees but, they ARE out there. They might not be in the GOP circle which means they might have to go to Madison Avenue.

359 realwest  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:36:02am

re: #294 Dark_Falcon
Well I don't know if Young Earth Creationists are at "War" with science, they just seem to not want to believe what their eyes and ears are telling 'em.
Besides which, I don't know if Charles was specifically targetting YEC's with his anti-science righties (or, as Mandy has advised me, apparently plate tectonics as well).

360 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:36:55am

re: #191 Amer-I-Can

The last time I was this "stimulated", I was visiting my Proctologist.

Were his hands on your shoulders?

361 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:36:57am

re: #322 Occasional Reader

I commute by Metro, to reduce my carbon footprint. Therefore, I'm better than you.

I DON'T COMMUTE AT ALL.

Nyah. Nyah. Neener. Neener.

362 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:37:01am

re: #293 realwest

"There are some who doubt plate tectonics." What?
Getoutofhere! Who the hell can doubt plate tectonics (and I hope none of 'em is in California or anywhere on the West Coast or parts of the Southwest cause their doubts could be rudely erased!)?

They believe that the Bible should be taken literally. Hence anything that contradicts it (other than another Bible passage, since some passages specifically replace others) must be wrong and sinful. "Doesn't matter what the science says, God has already spoken so the scientist must be an agent of Satan." Fools.

363 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:37:12am

re: #323 albusteve

I know that...bad fu is all

'Sokay.

364 deymond  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:37:21am

re: #354 Charles

I hope that was said tongue-in-cheek.

365 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:37:25am

re: #221 Afrocity

It is not Mitt Romney or Jindal.

You might be surprised with more than a few people supporting your choice if you were to reveal it.

Not that I am one saying you should. ;)

366 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:38:10am

re: #326 Afrocity

I agree but do all the PR people work for the left?

I don't know but, money is powerful. Hire the right one, and she/he will give a great bang for the buck.

367 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:38:30am

re: #308 Peacekeeper

You got plate tectonics and biology on your head? Yucch.

SMACK!

368 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:39:21am

re: #345 DistantThunder

OK, now I'm going to have nightmares again after I saw this on Discovery Channel. I live 40 miles from the shore in South Jersey.

I doubt you'll be affected. However, church bells in Boston were rung the last time there was an earthquake on that fault.

369 deymond  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:39:23am

re: #359 realwest

There are some people who devote their lives to being anti-science, but I think most anti-evolution folks don't find it terribly interesting (therefore I consider them more apathetic than at war).

370 realwest  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:40:05am

re: #304 Silvergirl
Funny - Listening to Jindal, my mind went numb!

371 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:40:29am

re: #342 MandyManners

Snakes on a plane... apparently they have not heard of Occam's Razor.

372 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:40:39am

New thread?

373 Zimriel  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:40:45am

re: #319 taxfreekiller

There is the thing about choices.

The whole of the American west coast has made bad choices now for
50 to 60 years. I for one and speaking for millions and millions of others
who have made correct choices are tired as hell of the bailing out of
the commie loon, environmental wacko, earth first, death to reason, liberal
Democrats on the west coast.

tfk, in context of the downdinging you just meted out to my pro-monitoring post, it sounds like you're saying that we should just let Mount Ranier go boom, because the region is full of liberals not deserving of life. Sneeze, and good-bye Seattle, as it were.

Obama and Pelosi have brought it to a boil, and shit will happen now.

Do tell. What "shit" are you predicting?

374 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:41:12am

re: #371 ConservatismNow!

Snakes on a plane... apparently they have not heard of Occam's Razor.

Since they doubt so much about science, how do they trust a plane?

375 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:41:24am

re: #341 tfc3rid

Obama said: "It [the recovery plan] will launch a new effort to conquer a disease that has touched the life of nearly every American by seeking a cure for cancer in our time."

376 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:41:31am

re: #221 Afrocity

It is not Mitt Romney or Jindal.

I think I know......

377 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:41:48am

re: #364 deymond

I hope that was said tongue-in-cheek.

Of course, but the more important point is what would happen to the economy if/when a major volcanic event happens. Ports destroyed, transportation systems, massive casualties, that sort of thing. How much would that cost, compared to the investment needed to get some kind of warning system?

378 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:42:01am

re: #324 Ziggy

Actually, yesterday I heard an interview with a libertarian economist on the Dennis Prager Show (I forget his name) and he said that WW2 only solved the unemployment problem. The depression ended after the war when government spending was dramatically cut. The more the government spends the worse the economy is. (over simplified of course)

Now that could be wrong too, what do I know, but it made sense tome.

No I can see that. After all Government spending and Government jobs do nothing to produce a profit, after all TAXES ON GOVERNMENT JOBS DON'T PAY FOR GOVERNMENT SALARIES.

I'd be the first to admit, that the taxes on my salary doesn't pay for my salary. Its the private sector jobs that pay for themselves AND for the government jobs.

379 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:42:01am

re: #366 MandyManners

I don't know but, money is powerful. Hire the right one, and she/he will give a great bang for the buck.

I wish you could turn on the TV and watch the Newt and Rudy Show every night

380 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:42:06am

re: #326 Afrocity

I agree but do all the PR people work for the left?

Quite a number do since the entire thrust of the Dem message is to emphasize style over substance, feelings over actions, and with Dems more than willing to spend money on style it is not hard to figure out how PR people lean politically.

381 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:43:24am

re: #361 MandyManners

I DON'T COMMUTE AT ALL.

Nyah. Nyah. Neener. Neener.

Neither do I, I live on the same ship I work on

/high five.

382 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:43:34am

re: #229 Pianobuff

I'm hoping they windmill a lot of different people into these kinds of settings. In my mind, nobody clearly stands out and it would be nice to throw a bunch against the wall and see if anybody sticks.

Don't windmill if your axe has a whammy bar.

Pete Townsend.

383 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:43:52am

I don't know if we can count Jindal out just yet. Sure, he gave a bad speech and his pandering to the creationists is troubling. But, he does seem to be able to govern a state and handle a crisis well.

Four years is a long time. The average voter probably won't remember who he is in a month... if they even watched him this time.

I don't know if this is a good thing or bad. I don't think there's enough information to judge Jindal at this point.

Maybe "The Big O" will last four years and the GOP will need a sacrificial lamb...

384 realwest  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:43:57am

re: #366 MandyManners
Uh, " Hire the right one, and she/he will give a great bang for the buck." You mighta expressed that idea a little more, ah, reisitant to some inevitable bad comments.
Just sayin..................!

385 Hengineer  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:45:56am

re: #384 realwest

Uh, " Hire the right one, and she/he will give a great bang for the buck." You mighta expressed that idea a little more, ah, reisitant to some inevitable bad comments.
Just sayin..................!

What's on YOUR mind?

386 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:46:14am

re: #382 tommygum

good advice

387 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:46:40am

re: #384 realwest

Uh, " Hire the right one, and she/he will give a great bang for the buck." You mighta expressed that idea a little more, ah, reisitant to some inevitable bad comments.
Just sayin..................!

Well, speaking of bangs for bucks, politicians are like whores.
Pay them and get screwed.

388 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:48:36am

re: #255 Afrocity

I didn't like the way CNN introduced Jindal on the Lou Dobbs show Candy Crowley said basically the GOP was known as the party of old white people and Jindal was their answer to that. I found her statements to be racist, then she called Jindal an American Indian. She later corrected herself.

This so reminds me of the Obama supporter in my building who I caught yelling the "N" word at the TV screen in our lobby when the Chicago Cubs lost the playoffs. Hypocrites.

But...but...liberals cant be rascist.

/

389 ladycatnip  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:49:49am

If this is who the GOP is putting forward as a 2012 hopeful, then we're doomed. The party just isn't grand anymore.

390 deymond  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:50:22am

re: #377 Charles

You are right, at least theoretically (the real question is how much improvement in monitoring and disaster prevention do we get for the new spending; I'm not optimistic on this), but the problem is that you can say that any government spending has some effect. Paying people to sit and do nothing at their office puts money into the economy, because those people will buy cars and houses, etc. Even if you're going to burn a trillion dollars on the whitehouse lawn, you need to pay people to push the wheelbarrows.

391 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:51:03am

re: #293 realwest

"There are some who doubt plate tectonics." What?
Getoutofhere! Who the hell can doubt plate tectonics (and I hope none of 'em is in California or anywhere on the West Coast or parts of the Southwest cause their doubts could be rudely erased!)?

Be suprised, real. Be very suprised. If you ask a typical YEC about plate tectonics, they'll flat out doubt it. According to the YECs, all of the current layers of the Earth were deposited during Noah's Flood. Also, according to them, the same flood cut the massive canyons out west. Some of them, I kid you not, believe earthquakes are little more than devine retribution. And yes, real, even the ones on the West Coast believe this crap.

392 ladycatnip  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:52:53am

#383 NukeAtomRod

I don't know if we can count Jindal out just yet. Sure, he gave a bad speech and his pandering to the creationists is troubling. But, he does seem to be able to govern a state and handle a crisis well.

Living in a telegenic culture, Jindal could never hold a candle to the O. He may be able to govern a state, but running for prez you've got to have something more. It's just not there for Jindal.

393 Sheepdogess  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:54:04am

Scientists came from all over the world to monitor Mt. St. Helens. I lived in Portland during that time. We knew she was going to blow as she warned us with a couple of very impressive ash plumes that could be seen for miles. The state closed off the area and evacuated those people at risk. The smart people in the area got the hell out of there and natural selection took care of the rest.

What the states (WA and OR) needed were more ash removal engineers (heavy equipment operators) and dust masks.

We need more medical doctors, they are leaving here in droves.

394 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:57:13am

re: #360 tommygum

Were his hands on your shoulders?

LOL, that's the kind of comment I would expect from a "squid"...

ESSAYONS!

395 wiffersnapper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:57:50am

Leave Bobby in Louisiana. I'm glad he's there, but I don't want him to move on to president.

396 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:08:42am

re: #301 wrenchwench

Mt. Ranier is only about 40 miles from Tacoma Washington.

397 Olderthandirt  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:18:45am

While Jindal can learn to be a more effective speaker, for me the issue is what he believes in and how conservative he is in fact! Gov. Jindal is a strange mix of creationist, fiscal conservative, and social conservative(I think so at least regarding the SC believe!), however, I don't want someone in high office who believes that evolution should be replaced by creationism so-called intelligent design.

Also, President Obama has a highly pleasing voice, a strong timbre but his extemporaneous speaking style is most ineffective. Without a teleprompter, President Obama is not an effective speaker. When in his audience, push him off planned topic and he'll sound as he did several times on the campaign trail; halting and unsure.

398 kansas  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:36:34am

re: #354 Charles

I think you can make a case that volcano monitoring is a form of "stimulus." If one of these babies lets go right next to a city, a lot of folks won't be worrying about their mortgages any more.

Maybe some ACORN types could use the work. Just build them some houses right around the volcano, let em sit on the porch and let us know what's going on. Such as that woman who was explaining to Stuart Varney why it was her right to stay in a house she wasn't pay for. Sorry if I offend.

399 tommygum  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:56:10am

re: #310 Afrocity

I had the displeasure of having breakfast with Chris Matthews.

He is a pompus asshat.

You poor thing.

400 gonecamping  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:00:17am

If all the layers of the Earth was deposited during Noahs flood, what was it deposited on? (scratching head).


re: #391 Honorary Yooper

Be suprised, real. Be very suprised. If you ask a typical YEC about plate tectonics, they'll flat out doubt it. According to the YECs, all of the current layers of the Earth were deposited during Noah's Flood. Also, according to them, the same flood cut the massive canyons out west. Some of them, I kid you not, believe earthquakes are little more than devine retribution. And yes, real, even the ones on the West Coast believe this crap.

401 Noam Chumpski  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:16:06am

I was so excited about Jindal one year ago and then I read here about his Creationist stuff and I just didn't believe it at first, but Charles showed the pudding and I was really disappointed.

Last night sealed the deal for me on Jindal. I wish him the best with his work on LA, but I would suggest that he stay away from the national stage from now on and forget about the 2012 thing.

We could have put anyone up against the ridiculousness of Obama and we... well... there you go. Point goes to Obama.

402 gcpsteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:36:37am

How about a slam at the $500 Mil for the National Endowment of the Arts? How the heck does that stimulate the economy or create jobs?

403 gcpsteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:40:41am

re: #402 gcpsteve

How about a slam at the $500 Mil for the National Endowment of the Arts? How the heck does that stimulate the economy or create jobs?

My bad. I believe it's only $50 Mil. Still unneccessary from my point of view.

404 Pupdawg  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:10:18pm

re: #11 Afrocity

Yoda to Obiwan: There is another.

May the Schwartz be with him!

405 Dasher  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:15:55pm

I had a great advantage over many who watched Bobby Jindal's speech last night. Except for the fact that his wireless microphone was cutting out on beginning syllables occasionally, it was well delivered and the message was spot on.

What was my special advantage. I didn't watch Obama's speech. I have re-instituted my Bill Clinton methodology with Obama - Obama on TV means TV goes off. This method is necessary to maintain ones sanity, when dealing with habitual liars, or shall I say messengers of deceit. Too many are being sucked in by "the one's" ability to read a teleprompter.

406 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 1:14:03pm

re: #43 Ringo the Gringo

From the tone of Jindal's voice last night you would think he was speaking to a class of fifth grade schools children.

That's how it struck me as well. Juan Williams' assessment also rang true for me.

407 yosemite Bill  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:01:49pm

Given the vast theological gulf between Gov J and our host I am not going to look for any favorable critiques here.
One less than fabulous speech does not end a career.
Obummer has a long way to go to get reelected in '12.
The GOP must be purged of the gutless....... . The US Constitution and the concept of LIMITED government must be at the front of any return of the GOP to majority status.
McCain, Snow, Spector, Crying George, etc must be shown the door.

408 Basho  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:12:11pm

Why monitor volcanoes when competing scientific theories says goat sacrifices prevent eruptions? You are all so close minded. Teach the controversy!

409 jordash1212  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:24:22pm

It sounded like he hadn't even listened to the speech. It sounded written before the State of the Union and didn't have much of a response towards Obama's main points.

410 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:47:48pm

re: #188 ConservatismNow!

If the upgrades to the server go well, downdings WILL send an electrical shock. California has been the test environment for that. Why do you think they are having brown-outs?

We are?

411 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:49:24pm

re: #209 Hengineer

How about
"SAVE THE MOUSE" in San Fransisco.

The mice don't live in San Francisco.

412 Yashmak  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:08:53am

I sure hope Jindal isn't what we end up with as a candidate for the Republican party in 4 years. It'll be a disaster.

413 TezDhaar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:10:13pm

re: #355 subsailor68

Perfect!


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