The results of a new poll of the Muslim world are highly disturbing. The CFQ (Clenched Fist Quotient) seems to be increasing in many areas.
Rusty at the Jawa Report breaks it all down: Poll of Muslim World Gives Few Reasons for Hope.
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Ojoe Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:11:20am |
The conflict of Islam vs. everyone else is far far from over.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:12:57am |
As usual, looks like the Palestinians lead the pack in sheer, hate-filled lunacy.
I know! Let's give 'em a billion bucks!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:12:59am |
Nonsense! The MSM has assured us that The One and his stable of talking unicorns will placate the Muslims!
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Pygmalienation Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:13:08am |
All the more reason to keep the Anti-Jihad movement house clean...
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:13:40am |
Don't worry. The 0 will keep apologizing until they unclench their fists.
/I wish this were sarc
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:14:12am |
Thank you, Barrack Hussearl Carter for Delivering the United States into this Grand Mess.
What a maroon!
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HelloDare Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:15:05am |
Still a lot of clenching, you say.
I guess the Obama Diazepam hasn't set in yet.
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Zimriel Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:15:42am |
By "strict Shari'a law in every country", they are talking about the Muslim equivalent to "the Rapture, Jesus's return and the New Jerusalem". They haven't thought through what Shari'a means. They're worshipping magic.
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Last Mohican Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:15:50am |
This just proves that we're not surrendering fast enough.
/Obama doctrine
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J.S. Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:16:10am |
hmmm...yes, so terrorist suicide bombers are a "defensive" tactic...(I wonder how many people in the UK, Canada, etc., also believe that -- it's one of the Media's on-going and long-standing "messages" in sympathy with terrorists.)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:17:47am |
These dirt bags can't even keep up with the opinion polls. If there is an increase in approval of attacking us, bring it on boys, you're not trying.
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Ojoe Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:18:04am |
re: #13 J.S.
That message is profoundly morally corrupt, it is one of the worst lies anyone could spread, it damages us.
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DistantThunder Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:19:08am |
Obama clearly gives off the bloody fish signal and the predators smell blood in the water. It's not a whole lot more complex than that. The real alphas are making their move.
In my opinion, one of President Bush's most influential attribures was communicating that alpha position and then ithe bad boys knew intuitively that Bush is an alpha and would fight hard. Even Saddam had said he wasn't afraid of the father (Bush Sr.) but he was afraid of the son, W.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:19:14am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:19:26am |
What should be clenching and spasming is their sphincters!
I'd vote for Dem ...if he was a "Speak softly but carry a big stick"
Kind of Dem....
With a few social differences........
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MikeAlv77 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:19:27am |
If I was a Muslim (after getting the mandatory labotomy to believe the Mo-man) I would be angry all the time too. All the women are covered, you always see other countries having everything while they have nothing..
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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:19:56am |
It is ironic that the very people we have spilt our blood and spent our treasure on over the past 10+ years are the ones that hate us the most. Look at all of our foreign entanglements since Clinton.....Somalia, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan....all of these endeavors were to help the local population (and our own interests many times as well). How much aid do we give the Egypt? Pakistan? The Palestinians? So, what do we get for all of this? Hatred x100. If there was a way to detach ourselves from this world and roll back inward....I'd say let's do it and let these ungrateful assholes get what they deserve. Unfortunately, there are elements within these societies that like to come over and kill us, and the Europeans, and Indians, and Balinese, etc, etc.
So, until that stops, we will be stuck dealing with a backwards, ignorant, racist and hate filled people who hate our guts.
So, to all of you in the Muslim world that hates our guts. I give you a hearty FOAD and GFYS
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wiffersnapper Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:19:56am |
Maybe we're approaching their clenched fists the wrong way. Maybe we need to tell them that clenching causes cancer, or makes their 9 year old wife not love them.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:20:17am |
The good news, of course is that large majorities in Muslim countries reject killing American civilians. But that's about where the good news begins and ends.
The large majority doesn't have the guns.
I keel you,too,apostate.
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Ojoe Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:20:18am |
re: #17 DistantThunder
We need a "primitive stinker" in the White House like you wouldn't believe.
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J.S. Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:20:18am |
re: #15 Ojoe
Yes. It is utterly hideous, yet repeatedly implied (at other times, stated outright). I detest/despise the BBC, the CBC, PBS, etc, etc, for promulgating these toxins...
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MandyManners Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:20:30am |
re: #10 HelloDare
Still a lot of clenching, you say.
I guess the Obama Diazepam hasn't set in yet.
Diazepam? CBBHO is the crack for these folks.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:20:52am |
re: #8 Kosh's Shadow
Don't worry. The 0 will keep apologizing until they unclench their fists.
/I wish this were sarc
Hey there.
Nice work by the Turnpike Authority yesterday, huh?
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MikeAlv77 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:21:11am |
re: #22 Desert Dog
Damned if you do, damned if you don't... wait... its because we are infidels so it doesn't matter how much we fall over and help...
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HelloDare Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:21:12am |
Got my mojo working but it just don't work on you.
Muddy Waters & James Cotton - Got My Mojo Working (1966)
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:21:14am |
Obama needs to work on more contrite apologies. Maybe he could wear a pair of horn-rimmed glasses with adhesive tape on them, a white shirt and high-water pants, and sport a pocket protector.
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pink freud Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:21:29am |
re: #17 DistantThunder
Pussy metrosexual: alpha males have gone the way of the dinosaur
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Indefatigable Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:21:29am |
So, President O, what exactly was your plan defeat terrorism and "unclench" the fists of the Middle East? Spooning? Nuzzling?
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jcm Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:21:35am |
re: #19 reloadingisnotahobby
What should be clenching and spasming is their sphincters!
I'd vote for Dem ...if he was a "Speak softly but carry a big stick"
Kind of Dem....
With a few social differences........
The last one of those was Henry M. (Scoop) Jackson.
Navy thought enough of him to name an Ohio class boomer after him.
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NukeAtomrod Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:21:36am |
I wonder why they didn't poll Iraq or Afghanistan.
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Zimriel Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:21:53am |
I'll give the Muslims credit for this much: they are right about the shared interest of non-Muslim people, to "weaken and divide Islam". A strong, united Umma isn't in anyone's interest: Christian, secular, Hindu, Buddhist...
... Ask a Parsi Zoroastrian about that some time.
Whether keeping Islam subdued is an actual stated goal is another matter. It should be US policy to weaken and divide Islam. I'd go so far to say that under Bush, this was our policy. I don't think it is anymore, because we are currently led by mountebanks and fools.
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Peacekeeper Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:22:32am |
To paraphrase PJ O'Rourke, here comes some guy with a clipboard to ask average arab joe for his opinion. Average Arab joe has no idea who this person really is but he does know he can be beaten, tortured and killed for expressing the wrong opinion in his backwards ass police state country.
Now what is that poll worth?
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:22:40am |
re: #25 Ojoe
I'm a "primitive stinker"....But I will never where a tie...
So I'm out!
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MandyManners Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:22:50am |
re: #23 wiffersnapper
Maybe we're approaching their clenched fists the wrong way. Maybe we need to tell them that clenching causes cancer, or makes their 9 year old wife not love them.
Or, it causes their penises to shrink.
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DistantThunder Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:23:45am |
re: #32 pink freud
Pussy metrosexual: alpha males have gone the way of the dinosaur
Srah Palin has more testosterone than Obama. Remember she pointed out that he never talked about winning in iraq or Afghanistan. The guy is a wimp.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:23:46am |
re: #32 pink freud
Pussy metrosexual: alpha males have gone the way of the dinosaur
Nope. We're all in Texas. (Well, maybe not Austin.)
;-)
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:24:09am |
re: #28 loppyd
Hey there.
Nice work by the Turnpike Authority yesterday, huh?
Watch us get the toll increase, and Deval(ue)'s gas tax increase, the tax that keeps growing and growing and growing.
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Ojoe Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:24:19am |
re: #26 J.S.
It infuriates me every time I hear it. I have had former friends justify suicide bombing to my face. I have nothing more to do with them ever. They make my skin crawl.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:24:21am |
re: #35 NukeAtomrod
I wonder why they didn't poll Iraq or Afghanistan.
Poll's are not Sharia. Allah has spoken.
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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:24:34am |
re: #37 Peacekeeper
To paraphrase PJ O'Rourke, here comes some guy with a clipboard to ask average arab joe for his opinion. Average Arab joe has no idea who this person really is but he does know he can be beaten, tortured and killed for expressing the wrong opinion in his backwards ass police state country.
Now what is that poll worth?
Well, Muslims are famous for their unwavering dedication to the truth.....an honest group, fer sure.
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MikeAlv77 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:24:52am |
re: #39 MandyManners
Or, it causes their penises to shrink.
You gave away the secret of the female hair rays of death... thats why they keep them covered up...
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zombie Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:25:11am |
These polls results may look bad -- but they'd look worse if they had polled the faculties at American universities.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:25:13am |
re: #37 Peacekeeper
To paraphrase PJ O'Rourke, here comes some guy with a clipboard to ask average arab joe for his opinion. Average Arab joe has no idea who this person really is but he does know he can be beaten, tortured and killed for expressing the wrong opinion in his backwards ass police state country.
Now what is that poll worth?
Good point.
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NukeAtomrod Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:25:25am |
Maybe we should send them a billion dollars for classes in Kegel exercises. Then, at least, they'd know how to clench and unclench their buttocks.
/
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Pyrocles Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:26:13am |
Well, Kosovo does love us, apparently. And at least the Iraqi Kurds are grateful for their liberation.
re: #22 Desert Dog
It is ironic that the very people we have spilt our blood and spent our treasure on over the past 10+ years are the ones that hate us the most. Look at all of our foreign entanglements since Clinton.....Somalia, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan....all of these endeavors were to help the local population (and our own interests many times as well). How much aid do we give the Egypt? Pakistan? The Palestinians? So, what do we get for all of this? Hatred x100. If there was a way to detach ourselves from this world and roll back inward....I'd say let's do it and let these ungrateful assholes get what they deserve. Unfortunately, there are elements within these societies that like to come over and kill us, and the Europeans, and Indians, and Balinese, etc, etc.
So, until that stops, we will be stuck dealing with a backwards, ignorant, racist and hate filled people who hate our guts.
So, to all of you in the Muslim world that hates our guts. I give you a hearty FOAD and GFYS
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ConservatismNow! Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:26:23am |
The scary part is that Egypt's breakdown could also be a Democrat breakdown.
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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:26:32am |
re: #49 NukeAtomrod
Maybe we should send them a billion dollars for classes in Kegel exercises. Then, at least, they'd know how to clench and unclench their buttocks.
/
Then they might be able to pull their heads out too.....it's a win-win
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doppelganglander Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:26:45am |
Those numbers don't exactly make me want to do the happy dance, but they're not nearly as bad as I would have expected. I would have thought there'd be 60-80% approval for attacks on civilians.
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pink freud Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:26:51am |
re: #43 Ojoe
It infuriates me every time I hear it. I have had former friends justify suicide bombing to my face. I have nothing more to do with them ever. They make my skin crawl.
I now have a bunch of those also. Some, for the same reason.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:26:59am |
re: #42 Kosh's Shadow
Watch us get the toll increase, and Deval(ue)'s gas tax increase, the tax that keeps growing and growing and growing.
But he promises he will rescind the toll increase if the gas tax passes. You don't believe him?
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Joan Not of Arc Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:27:45am |
Spain and Great Britain- in a race to become the next France- completely capitulated after Islamist terrorist attacks on their soil and nothing has been more humiliating and fear-inducing. The Chosen One extends his silken glove to them and I shudder to think what might happen next.
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acwgusa Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:27:57am |
But, but! Obama! Obama would make them love us!
/S
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Zimriel Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:28:18am |
Interesting graphic also: preventing the rise of extremist groups is not seen as a US goal. There is, I think, a cognitive dissonance here. The US is fighting Islam and we support Bin Laden; at the same time, the US goal is not to stop "terrorists".
I bet you they think "Shi'ites" when they are asked about extremist groups. Sunni extremist groups are given a pass. In particular I doubt they see the Ikhwan or even Hizbu'l-Tahrir as extremist.
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doppelganglander Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:28:27am |
re: #43 Ojoe
It infuriates me every time I hear it. I have had former friends justify suicide bombing to my face. I have nothing more to do with them ever. They make my skin crawl.
I can't imagine what it would be like to have a person you thought was a friend express an opinion like that. It would be like finding out your friend is a child molester.
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MandyManners Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:28:35am |
re: #46 MikeAlv77
You gave away the secret of the female hair rays of death... thats why they keep them covered up...
Oops. Don't tell anyone.
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NukeAtomrod Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:28:48am |
re: #55 loppyd
But he promises he will rescind the toll increase if the gas tax passes. You don't believe him?
Next they'll tax you for passing gas!
/ Nailed it!
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:28:53am |
BTW, alpha males here in Texas tip their hats while opening the door for a lady.
Metrosexuals wait for someone to open the door for them...
and they think hats don't go with the Izod sweaters tied around their wastes.
They're right.
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bolivar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:29:00am |
re: #25 Ojoe
We need a "primitive stinker" in the White House like you wouldn't believe.
Would this be an "old fart"?
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KenJen Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:29:22am |
re: #47 zombie
These polls results may look bad -- but they'd look worse if they had polled the faculties at American universities.
Or France-or Sweden.
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:29:24am |
re: #26 J.S.
J.S., have you seen The Power of Nightmares? Idiotic movie that postulates there is no real terrorism and it's a conservative ploy to keep us proles good 'n' fearful. The only thing I did get out of it was learning about Sayid Qtub.
/I do love it when the Left gives me ammunition.
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Elcid Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:29:26am |
re: #53 doppelganglander
Those numbers don't exactly make me want to do the happy dance, but they're not nearly as bad as I would have expected. I would have thought there'd be 60-80% approval for attacks on civilians.
Agree. Honestly thought, that on a scale of 1-10 the approval would be around 19.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:29:35am |
re: #55 loppyd
But he promises he will rescind the toll increase if the gas tax passes. You don't believe him?
How can you tell if a politician is lying?
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Zimriel Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:29:47am |
'The US is fighting Islam and we support Bin Laden; at the same time, the US goal is not to stop "terrorists".' - that was supposed to be the mindset of the left-hand, black-flagged, Islamist percents in the histograms. PIMF
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HelloDare Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:30:01am |
re: #57 acwgusa
But, but! Obama! Obama would make them love us!
/S
Maybe if we humiliated ourselves just a little more. When's the next UN conference?/
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brookly red Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:30:23am |
re: #57 acwgusa
But, but! Obama! Obama would make them love us!
/S
money can't buy ya love... especially other peoples money.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:30:28am |
It's seemingly been a very very long time, weeks, maybe months since good news has been presented from anywhere.
I gonna need meds soon.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:30:45am |
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:30:50am |
re: #43 Ojoe
How much winechocolate did you need to take some of the sting of that away? (Note I said some.)
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:31:30am |
re: #61 NukeAtomrod
Next they'll tax you for passing gas!
/ Nailed it!
If they could find a way to that they would.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:31:32am |
I still remember a bunch of Paleos dancing in the streets after 9/11.
That one lady, Piss Be Upon Her.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:32:37am |
re: #61 NukeAtomrod
Next they'll tax you for passing gas!
/ Nailed it!
With some of the greens in the Democrat party, that wouldn't shock me right now.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:32:56am |
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bolivar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:33:00am |
re: #75 loppyd
If they could find a way to that they would.
gosh, if they do that I will be bankrupt in a week.....not fair - thought this was supposed to be a fairer administration - pshaw!
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Pygmalienation Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:33:07am |
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Silhouette Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:33:23am |
Remember, if they hate us, it is our fault.
And if a similar poll showed that even 1/4th of those numbers of Americans disapproved of their countries, it would be our fault too and prove how "racist" we are.
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Wild Knight Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:33:30am |
seems relatively low actually. Try asking those questions in some countries in the EU, say, oh, the UK and/or Spain. See what figures you get...
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:33:56am |
Hey , hey, we are all alike, we are all carbon based life forms.
It is just that some carbon based life forms either support or are murderous thugs.
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pink freud Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:34:05am |
Rush giving words of support for Jindal. ~~"Give him a chance folks, he's a good guy." No surprise.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:34:20am |
re: #81 bolivar
gosh, if they do that I will be bankrupt in a week.....not fair - thought this was supposed to be a fairer administration - pshaw!
The Patrick administration has been a failure of epic proportions....and a preview of the Obama administration.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:34:25am |
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chicagodudewhotrades Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:34:26am |
re: #56 Joan Not of Arc
A couple weeks ago the Iranian Foreign Minister made a comment about Bahrain being the "16 province" of Iran. It turns out that he walked back from that comment and the rest of the Gulf has made it more of a story than the Iranians have. But that comment got me thinking about Iran actually invading the place. Their economy is in the toilet due to low oil prices and they got elections coming up this summer. Nothing like a invasion to get the folks to 'rally around the flag' and get their minds off economic issues. My idea probably isn't going to happen, but this could be that 'test' that Biden talked about. If something like this did go down, I do wonder how Zero would deal with it?
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:34:26am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:35:07am |
re: #80 loppyd
What are we to make of that?
What an Idiot!
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:35:14am |
re: #87 pink freud
Rush giving words of support for Jindal. ~~"Give him a chance folks, he's a good guy." No surprise.
What do you want him to say? He gave one bad speech so we should write him off and shun him forever?
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:35:19am |
re: #83 Silhouette
Yeah, I've just decided that no matter what it'll somehow be twisted to blame us. *sigh*
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jcm Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:35:19am |
re: #61 NukeAtomrod
Next they'll tax you for passing gas!
/ Nailed it!
You been schedule for a gas meter to be installed by your neighborhood National Health Care Service Community Organizer.
A substantial fine will be assessed if you miss this appointment.
Remember Gas Metering, it's the Patriotic Thing To Do!
Long Live The One!
Sincerely,
You local Health Care Service Committee.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:35:56am |
re: #96 MikeAlv77
I dare say you were not alone in your sentiments on that day.
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doppelganglander Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:36:06am |
re: #83 Silhouette
Remember, if they hate us, it is our fault.
And if a similar poll showed that even 1/4th of those numbers of Americans disapproved of their countries, it would be our fault too and prove how "racist" we are.
That is such demented reasoning. It's like the abusive husband telling his wife that she made him hit her. And yet millions of people in the West buy into it.
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:36:14am |
re: #76 SasquatchOnSteroids
I still remember a bunch of Paleos dancing in the streets after 9/11.
That one lady, Piss Be Upon Her.
According to a friend of mine, that were dancing in the streets in Patterson NJ.
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Pyrocles Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:36:47am |
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bolivar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:37:04am |
re: #87 pink freud
Rush giving words of support for Jindal. ~~"Give him a chance folks, he's a good guy." No surprise.
He is a good guy - the attacks here notwithstanding. The ID malarkey is just that - malarkey. He may not be a good speaker - I am not either and I wish that were different. Big o is a good speaker and look at what he says - empty promises and fallacious rhetoric. Jindal speaks truth to power and is crucified. The masses are led by morons and that is the ultimate pity.
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HelloDare Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:37:05am |
re: #87 pink freud
Rush giving words of support for Jindal. ~~"Give him a chance folks, he's a good guy." No surprise.
Nobody will remember this tape. It will be destroyed. Nobody will bring up creationism, or exorcism and the media will reform and treat both parties equally. Yowza.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:37:07am |
re: #87 pink freud
Rush giving words of support for Jindal. ~~"Give him a chance folks, he's a good guy." No surprise.
This just arrived in my inbox from Michael Steel:
Tonight, President Obama gave his first speech to a joint session of Congress. The President reiterated many of the talking points he has given the American people the past few weeks about the recently passed stimulus bill and what we must do to get our economy back on track.
The Republican Response was just offered by Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, a rising star in our Party. If you did not get an opportunity to see Governor Jindal tonight after the President's speech, click here now to watch it.
I guess he was happy with his response.
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:37:16am |
re: #87 pink freud
Rush giving words of support for Jindal. ~~"Give him a chance folks, he's a good guy." No surprise.
I don't want him nominated, but he does seem like a good guy.
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acwgusa Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:37:16am |
re: #95 jcm
You been schedule for a gas meter to be installed by your neighborhood National Health Care Service Community Organizer.
A substantial fine will be assessed if you miss this appointment.
Remember Gas Metering, it's the Patriotic Thing To Do!
Long Live The One!
Sincerely,
You local Health Care Service Committee.
That would be the Federal Air Resources Tax.
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ConservatismNow! Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:37:31am |
re: #79 ploome hineni
If it wasn't for Oil, no one would care about the Middle East.
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MikeAlv77 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:37:37am |
re: #100 opnion
According to a friend of mine, that were dancing in the streets in Patterson NJ.
And according to my brother, they were dancing in Brooklyn also.. He knew of some "gentlemen" who said if they didn't stop they would do it for them.. Seems the gangs in have some american patriotic sentiments...
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:37:57am |
re: #101 Pyrocles
Moonbats? Then I can't even look, just ate and don't want to be ill.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:38:30am |
I'll bet when Bush sent attacked Iraq and later Afghanistan, and when Reagan bombed Libya, there was PLENTY of CLENCHING going on in the Muslim world!
ummm,, what? clenched FISTS you say? Oh, well,,, I prefer what Bush and Reagan made them clench !
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bolivar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:38:32am |
re: #88 loppyd
The Patrick administration has been a failure of epic proportions....and a preview of the Obama administration.
Cannot argue with that - I live in RI and we have our own problems to deal with. I buy all my gas in Mass cuz it is almost 10 cents cheaper a gallon.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:38:54am |
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HelloDare Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:39:20am |
re: #104 unrealizedviewpoint
Email Steele back for me and ask him to return my email asking him about his and the republican party's position on creationism.
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pink freud Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:40:02am |
re: #93 loppyd
What do you want him to say? He gave one bad speech so we should write him off and shun him forever?
Loppy, I am IN Louisiana. I campaigned for the man, for pete's sake. I am also infuriated by his stance on ID and the fact that he signed that creationist bill into law (among other things). The one bad speech is not the reason we should write him off; the reason is that he is not the one we are looking for. Running him as our candidate would be as disastrous as McCain.
Someone said it earlier: we need an alpha male, and Bobby Jindal is NOT. Sorry, but that's how I see it now.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:40:07am |
re: #111 bolivar
Cannot argue with that - I live in RI and we have our own problems to deal with. I buy all my gas in Mass cuz it is almost 10 cents cheaper a gallon.
Don't blame you! I go to NH. We all do what we need to do.
I was in Quincy earlier and it was only $1.73 at two different stations.
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J.S. Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:40:24am |
re: #66 Chicago Blonde
I haven't seen The Power of Nightmares...(I do recall hearing a professor exclaim that the Abu Sayef was a non-existent group, a figment of the imagination, created by Americans --a CIA? iirc creation -- in the Philippines...that would be because Amerikkkans want to dominate and control the Philippines, hence the creation of a non-existent terrorist group, so then Amerikkans can torture innocent civilians...etc. yeah, that was broadcast on CBC several years ago...On different topics I also recall reading an academic, he was a well respected criminologist, who maintained that the Mafia did not exist, but the Mafia was (once again) the figment of someone's imagination, Hollywood script writers?, etc.)
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Silhouette Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:40:34am |
re: #110 sattv4u2
I'll bet when Bush sent attacked Iraq and later Afghanistan, and when Reagan bombed Libya, there was PLENTY of CLENCHING going on in the Muslim world!
ummm,, what? clenched FISTS you say? Oh, well,,, I prefer what Bush and Reagan made them clench !
Indeed. Even when Bush bombed Iraq there was clenching in Libya, because Kaddaffi surrendered his nukes before we could even ask.
"Oh, you mean this gate key."
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:40:35am |
re: #30 HelloDare
I'm a blues harmonica player and Cotton is one of my favorite living players.
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:40:37am |
re: #108 MikeAlv77
And according to my brother, they were dancing in Brooklyn also.. He knew of some "gentlemen" who said if they didn't stop they would do it for them.. Seems the gangs in have some american patriotic sentiments...
It was galling that some people right here were celebrating the slaughter of innocent lives. I know that all Muslims did not celebrate, but way too many.
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Amer-I-Can Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:41:07am |
And how many tax dollars do we dump into that bottomless pit? Enough is enough.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:41:10am |
re: #107 ConservatismNow!
If it wasn't for Oil, no one would care about the Middle East.
I'd still care deeply for the safety of Israel.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:41:11am |
re: #108 MikeAlv77
Thank G-d I live in the boondocks.....
If I had witnessed anything like first hand I'd be on death row!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:41:32am |
re: #115 pink freud
Loppy, I am IN Louisiana. I campaigned for the man, for pete's sake. I am also infuriated by his stance on ID and the fact that he signed that creationist bill into law (among other things). The one bad speech is not the reason we should write him off; the reason is that he is not the one we are looking for. Running him as our candidate would be as disastrous as McCain.
Someone said it earlier: we need an alpha male, and Bobby Jindal is NOT. Sorry, but that's how I see it now.
Your fleur-de-lise avatar is a giveaway. Do you live near NO?
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ThinkRight Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:41:43am |
Are you trying to tell me that they lied when we were told the world would love us and Bush was the problem ?
/no sarc
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bolivar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:42:14am |
re: #116 loppyd
Don't blame you! I go to NH. We all do what we need to do.
I was in Quincy earlier and it was only $1.73 at two different stations.
In Bellingham this morning it was $1.79. Still less than $1.89 in Cumberland RI.
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:42:29am |
Notice the highest % is in the palestinian territories. Let's give them another billion.
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realwest Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:43:06am |
re: #91 Leonidas Hoplite
That line is still funny because it's true of Most politicians most of the time.
But it was never true of Barry Goldwater and while a lot of us look back at Reagan with great fondness, it was Goldwater who best articulated the "conservative message" for America: [Link: liberalslikechrist.org...]
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pink freud Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:43:22am |
re: #104 unrealizedviewpoint
I guess he was happy with his response.
So was Frank Luntz's post-show panel. I don't get it.
As a Louisianian, I was embarassed.
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abaleh Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:43:24am |
re: #90 chicagodudewhotrades
A couple weeks ago the Iranian Foreign Minister made a comment about Bahrain being the "16 province" of Iran. It turns out that he walked back from that comment and the rest of the Gulf has made it more of a story than the Iranians have. But that comment got me thinking about Iran actually invading the place. Their economy is in the toilet due to low oil prices and they got elections coming up this summer. Nothing like a invasion to get the folks to 'rally around the flag' and get their minds off economic issues. My idea probably isn't going to happen, but this could be that 'test' that Biden talked about. If something like this did go down, I do wonder how Zero would deal with it?
Considering that the US Fifth fleet is based in Bahrain, I would venture that even the Mullahs aren't that stupid.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:43:29am |
re: #115 pink freud
Loppy, I am IN Louisiana. I campaigned for the man, for pete's sake. I am also infuriated by his stance on ID and the fact that he signed that creationist bill into law (among other things). The one bad speech is not the reason we should write him off; the reason is that he is not the one we are looking for. Running him as our candidate would be as disastrous as McCain.
Someone said it earlier: we need an alpha male, and Bobby Jindal is NOT. Sorry, but that's how I see it now.
I'm not sure he's the one we're looking for either. I was just wondering...
Other than his position on ID, are you happy with how he has governed your state?
Are you infuriated that he is not taking some of the stimulus money?
I live in MA so I am infuriated at everything my governor does.
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WriterMom Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:43:42am |
re: #43 Ojoe
Sounds like you were doin some pretty big beeeyotches.
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Suzette Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:43:47am |
re: #79 ploome hineni
They have become emboldened. Not to mention with our new president they are even more emboldened.
They are sure to ramp up more attacks ......it is the way Islam is...emboldened they feel strong. In defeat or weakness they feel they retreat.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:44:20am |
re: #117 buzzsawmonkey
I would while away the hours
Building my nuclear powers
Though it's financial strain
But when I've got fission
I will have achieved my mission
If I only had Bahrain--from "The Wizard of Teheran"
"Oh, we're off to bomb the Wizard,
the evil Wizard of Tehran.
He'll turn into a mist, a mist, once our bombs get done."
IAF verse of the same song
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:44:23am |
re: #128 bolivar
In Bellingham this morning it was $1.79. Still less than $1.89 in Cumberland RI.
Nice! Middleton, MA is always cheap too and that is on my Saturday errands route.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:44:32am |
re: #108 MikeAlv77
And according to my brother, they were dancing in Brooklyn also.. He knew of some "gentlemen" who said if they didn't stop they would do it for them.. Seems the gangs in have some american patriotic sentiments...
your brother was right. they were.
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:44:38am |
re: #118 J.S.
He said the Mafia and terrorists didn't exist? Moron. At least he saved you time - that's the hypothesis of the movie, that Al Queda (hope it's spelled right, don't want to look the scumbags up) and the like are bugagoos created by right-wingers to keep us in line and the war machine alive. OTOH, I did learn Qtub hated us for our lifestyle, in the "raunchy" Cleaver-esque 1950s. When a moonbat snivels we're all at fault I trot that little morsel out to shut 'em up.
And BTW, your avatar is adorable.
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ThinkRight Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:44:46am |
Obama might have to face the fact that the rest of the world is not as naive as the dems here.
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Zimriel Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:45:04am |
re: #104 unrealizedviewpoint
I guess [Steele] was happy with [Jindal']s response.
The RNC put Jindal up for their response. Steele doesn't want to "speak ill of a fellow Republican".
But yeah, the fact that the RNC has settled on Jindal, shows that the GOP has settled on being a creationist and regional party.
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pink freud Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:45:09am |
re: #125 Dark_Falcon
Your fleur-de-lise avatar is a giveaway. Do you live near NO?
Lafayette, heart of cajun country. About 120 miles due west of New Orleans.
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HelloDare Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:45:43am |
re: #120 Mad Al-Jaffee
I remembered that song by Waters but not that version. Glad I found it. They were great together.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:46:03am |
re: #116 loppyd
Don't blame you! I go to NH. We all do what we need to do.
I was in Quincy earlier and it was only $1.73 at two different stations.
That's much better than $2.19 near me in NY
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captdiggs Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:46:06am |
Maybe if we give the Hamas $100 billion, instead of $1 billion, we can get those numbers down a point or 2.
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:46:08am |
re: #114 HelloDare
Email Steele back for me and ask him to return my email asking him about his and the republican party's position on creationism.
Why would the Republican Party take a position on Creationism?
Why would the Democrat's for that matter?
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WriterMom Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:46:15am |
re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
They need serious clenching done to their brains.
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avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:46:16am |
As a car collector,I wondered if the MSN would pick up on this Obama goof the got a lot of applause. We did not invent the automobile.
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Suzette Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:46:23am |
re: #115 pink freud
Indeed Pink...as I am from Louisiana also; as you know. We need an alpha male that will make our enemies quiver.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:46:39am |
re: #142 Zimriel
the fact that the RNC has settled on Jindal, shows that the GOP has settled on being a creationist and regional party
yeah ,,, because there are SO many strong Northern Republican alternatives!
//
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WriterMom Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:46:42am |
re: #129 Ziggy
Sure, you just gave them some fine cash already this week-what's another billion?
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Unakite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:46:46am |
re: #107 ConservatismNow!
If it wasn't for Oil, no one would care about the Middle East.
If it wasn't for oil, they wouldn't have the money to cause the trouble they're causing now or pursue nuclear weapons (and cause a lot more trouble).
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Kragar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:47:03am |
re: #137 Dark_Falcon
"Oh, we're off to bomb the Wizard,
the evil Wizard of Tehran.
He'll turn into a mist, a mist, once our bombs get done."IAF verse of the same song
Obama represents the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:47:09am |
re: #143 pink freud
Lafayette, heart of cajun country. About 120 miles due west of New Orleans.
Cool.
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Pullus Iulius Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:47:20am |
re: #130 realwest
As an old Barry and Bill (Miller, that is) guy, I'd just like to add: "In your heart, you know he's still right."
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:47:29am |
re: #145 HelloDare
I can't watch the video you posted since I'm at work, but I'm sure I've seen it before. I love the recordings Waters and Cotton did with Johnny Winter. Jerry Portnoy was also on harp on some of them.
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Silhouette Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:47:36am |
re: #121 opnion
I know that all Muslims did not celebrate, but way too many.
And we had some 911 celebrants who look decidedly home-grown.
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jcm Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:47:50am |
re: #150 avanti
As a car collector,I wondered if the MSN would pick up on this Obama goof the got a lot of applause. We did not invent the automobile.
The One spoke, history books shall be revised!
//////////
He meant to say, "automobile assembly line." That's the story this morning.
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WriterMom Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:47:57am |
re: #76 SasquatchOnSteroids
They celebrate our deaths and the deaths of our children. The death cult is irredeemable.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:48:02am |
re: #146 Leonidas Hoplite
That's much better than $2.19 near me in NY
Ouch.
We have a 19 cent gas tax coming our way so the party won't last very long.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:48:03am |
re: #154 Unakite
If it wasn't for oil, they wouldn't have the money to cause the trouble they're causing now or pursue nuclear weapons (and cause a lot more trouble).
The "Palastinians" have neither money NOR oil. Doesn't seem to deter them!
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:48:03am |
re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I just got this image of Pelosi as Dorothy, blinking her way down the yellow brick road.
/Thanks a lot...
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bolivar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:48:32am |
re: #138 loppyd
Nice! Middleton, MA is always cheap too and that is on my Saturday errands route.
Our legislature's answer for everything has been to raise taxes - well the well is running dry. Our Governor Carcieri is hopelessly overrun by the %85 democrapic legislature but he still fights and has actually won a few. They are listening - cuz the people are telling them they have to. Even though this state is hopelessly dhimmie (look at idjit Kennedy) they see that the tax level is out of control. They chase business out so fast they don't have time to shut the door on the way out. My feeling is that if my wife and I are put out of work we are outta here. There is just not enough to keep us here anymore.
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godfrey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:48:46am |
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Kragar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:48:54am |
re: #166 Chicago Blonde
I just got this image of Pelosi as Dorothy, blinking her way down the yellow brick road.
/Thanks a lot...
Biden can be the Cowardly Lion with a mane of hair plugs
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:48:56am |
re: #150 avanti
Correct!
It was Benz..............
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:48:59am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:49:17am |
re: #150 avanti
The media actually dissing their creation? Hardly.
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:49:19am |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:49:43am |
re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Obama represents the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild
And the MSM represents the Lullaby League: Putting America to sleep (in both senses) with their lies. Except for Helen Thomas. Bill O'Reilly is right about her: She's the Wicked Witch of the East.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:49:55am |
re: #172 brookly red
Re #160, I don't know why that happens?
you do have it down to a science though!
/
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abaleh Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:49:57am |
re: #140 Chicago Blonde
He said the Mafia and terrorists didn't exist? Moron. At least he saved you time - that's the hypothesis of the movie, that Al Queda (hope it's spelled right, don't want to look the scumbags up) and the like are bugagoos created by right-wingers to keep us in line and the war machine alive. OTOH, I did learn Qtub hated us for our lifestyle, in the "raunchy" Cleaver-esque 1950s. When a moonbat snivels we're all at fault I trot that little morsel out to shut 'em up.
And BTW, your avatar is adorable.
Here is why he hated Americans:
the American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs — and she shows all this and does not hide it.
The guy could have been a pulp fiction writer, this description reads right out of a crappy romance novel.
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WriterMom Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:49:58am |
re: #5 Occasional Reader
Are you broken hearted today, your sweetheart got married.
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capitalist piglet Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:50:08am |
re: #5 Occasional Reader
As usual, looks like the Palestinians lead the pack in sheer, hate-filled lunacy.
I know! Let's give 'em a billion bucks!
Exactly. They have made the connection between their behavior and our response. Now if we could just do the same.
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Elcid Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:50:37am |
re: #67 Elcid
In fact, what pisses me off more then ever IS, that the ovewhelming majority "against" doesn't DO SOMETHING about the underwhelming "for".
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Silhouette Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:50:46am |
re: #129 Ziggy
Notice the highest % is in the palestinian territories. Let's give them another billion.
From what I see, the highest approval (24%) and corresponding lowest disapproval is in the PA. Yeah, the line is longer, but that is a measure of responses.
The highest disapproval percentage is in Egypt, where we send 2 billion/yr.
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WriterMom Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:50:52am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:51:00am |
re: #148 opnion
Why would the Republican Party take a position on Creationism?
Why would the Democrat's for that matter?
So taking a stand on science shouldn't be part of the platform? Hello political wilderness!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:51:07am |
re: #166 Chicago Blonde
I just got this image of Pelosi as Dorothy, blinking her way down the yellow brick road.
/Thanks a lot...
No, Pelosi is Toto's sister.
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:51:21am |
re: #153 WriterMom
Sure, you just gave them some fine cash already this week-what's another billion?
Believe me, it makes me sick. But don't worry, the UN will see to it that Hamas doesn't get the money.
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MandyManners Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:51:25am |
re: #102 bolivar
He is a good guy - the attacks here notwithstanding. The ID malarkey is just that - malarkey. He may not be a good speaker - I am not either and I wish that were different. Big o is a good speaker and look at what he says - empty promises and fallacious rhetoric. Jindal speaks truth to power and is crucified. The masses are led by morons and that is the ultimate pity.
How will you feel when CAIR demands that the Koran be taught in science classes?
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J.S. Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:51:28am |
re: #140 Chicago Blonde
Those were two different "experts" -- one a criminologist (claiming no Mafia); the other a professor of X (not sure) claiming no terrorist group in Philippines...(maybe some "experts" spend far too much time in their ivory towers and they've lost touch with reality)...(the avatar is a pic of my cat, he's getting on in years now...)
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astronmr20 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:51:39am |
Does anyone actually know how this poll was conducted?
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:51:42am |
re: #164 loppyd
Ouch.
We have a 19 cent gas tax coming our way so the party won't last very long.
I think we pay 42¢ per gallon in taxes, including federal. Is the 19¢ coming your way a state levy?
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:51:50am |
re: #167 bolivar
Being a Republican governor in a Democrat controlled state is a thankless job. Mitt gave them a run for their money here in MA, but it was a drop in the barrel.
I can't say I blame you for considering moving. I'd move to NH tomorrow, but the BF is opposed. He wants to go south if we go anywhere.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:51:54am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:52:01am |
re: #162 jcm
The One spoke, history books shall be revised!
//////////
He meant to say, "automobile assembly line." That's the story this morning.
Even the assembly line is not an America innovation, was just refined here.
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hellosnackbar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:52:26am |
I read an essay some time ago entitled"the terrifying memeplex of Islam" very well written but possibly a little exagerated.
This poll demonstrates that there was no exageration but possibly understatement.
The website is:I think, [Link: www.haltterrorism.com...] and the author "citizen warrior".
This poll is important.
I wonder if I shall read this in the MSM.
I somehow doubt it.
Thanks LGF
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avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:52:44am |
re: #162 jcm
The One spoke, history books shall be revised!
//////////
He meant to say, "automobile assembly line." That's the story this morning.
His proof reader screwed up big time, and I was a bit put off by the error. It's like when I watch a movie and the cowboy shoots 8 rounds from his sixshooter.
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doppelganglander Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:53:13am |
re: #142 Zimriel
The RNC put Jindal up for their response. Steele doesn't want to "speak ill of a fellow Republican".
But yeah, the fact that the RNC has settled on Jindal, shows that the GOP has settled on being a creationist and regional party.
I don't think giving Jindal the rebuttal indicates the GOP has settled on him. I see it as more of an audition. If he'd knocked it out of the park, he would have risen in the ranks of contenders. As it is, he didn't do well, and it may be a long while, if ever, until he's given a similar high-profile spot. Meanwhile, the search goes on.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:53:23am |
re: #183 FurryOldGuyJeans
So taking a stand on science shouldn't be part of the platform? Hello political wilderness!
science should be apolitical, IMHO. Isn't that how we got into this Global Warming mess in the 1st place? Scientists accepting political tainted "grant monies" to produce studies that support the grantors pre-concieved notion?
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:53:31am |
re: #190 Leonidas Hoplite
I think we pay 42¢ per gallon in taxes, including federal. Is the 19¢ coming your way a state levy?
Yep. It is currently 25 cents and will bring us to 44.
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:53:40am |
re: #177 abaleh
RIGHT? Oh, and we were too free, and according to TPON, we were selfish pigs who spent too much time watering our lawns. No I'm not kidding, it made him mad to see us shaking out the weed 'n' feed. Oh, and we suck because some of salt our watermelon. I know it's one example but it seems to be one few moonbats know and I love using it.
/Our fault. Riiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.
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pink freud Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:54:10am |
re: #133 loppyd
I'm not sure he's the one we're looking for either. I was just wondering...
Other than his position on ID, are you happy with how he has governed your state?
Are you infuriated that he is not taking some of the stimulus money?
I live in MA so I am infuriated at everything my governor does.
When he ran against Kathleen Blanco the first time, he lost. She epitomized the good-old-boy network here, the old way, and she needed to go. He lost. When he ran again we were determined that he would win this time and he did. Support was phenomenal. (This was post-Katrina, which played a large role.)
Since his election, he seems like a balloon that is slowly deflating. The soaring rhetoric, the words of a "new Louisiana" ....have not borne fruit. Yet. He nearly had a revolt on his hands with the whole congressional pay raise issue. He seems to be still trying to get his feet underneath him and figure out where to put his energy.
OTOH, TFK made a post yesterday that was dead on, about our ports and special interests/corruption from north to south, from New Orleans to the Texas border, casinos, big oil, etc ...and how Jindal has managed to remain untouched by any taint of corruption (that has ALWAYS managed to attach itself to our Governor).
As for the stimulus money, I admire him for rejecting it, although I will believe that when I see it. Haley Barbour, Gov of Mississippi is making the same noises, as is the Gov of Tennessee. We will see on that one.
The ID think is what infuriates me. The state of the schools and the power of the teacher unions piss me off.
Other than that, how are you feeling? I know you've been under the weather for quite a while. :-)
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:54:13am |
re: #184 Dark_Falcon
Don't be insulting poor Toto! :)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:54:15am |
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MandyManners Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:54:15am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:54:21am |
re: #197 avanti
His proof reader screwed up big time, and I was a bit put off by the error. It's like when I watch a movie and the cowboy shoots 8 rounds from his sixshooter.
Just shows for me the man only reads the words put in front of him. Has no grasp of the reality beyond the teleprompter.
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godfrey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:54:50am |
re: #178 WriterMom
Adriana Lima married a Serbian basketball player.
Their first round of nuptials took place in a private civil ceremony Feb. 14 in Jackson Hole, Wyo. No further details were available, but Lima did once tell GQ, "Sex is for marriage."
This would seem to be surprising.
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ThinkRight Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:55:08am |
The only muslims that love us is CAIR
Money can buy you love
/
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:55:12am |
re: #201 loppyd
Yep. It is currently 25 cents and will bring us to 44.
Yikes! Given that I'm sure ours will be going up to...NY won't go down to Taxachusetts without a fight!
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:55:30am |
re: #186 Ziggy
Believe me, it makes me sick. But don't worry, the UN will see to it that Hamas doesn't get the money.
You mean the UN will spend it on themselves before it gets within stealing distance of Hamas?
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:55:42am |
re: #183 FurryOldGuyJeans
So taking a stand on science shouldn't be part of the platform? Hello political wilderness!
No I am not suggesting that at all, if your alluding to a denunciation of Evolution. I see no gain for either political party to take some kind of stand, like what in the platform?
What is important is that the nominee be rational & embrace evolution.
But tell ya what, if a Creationist runs against Obama I am no sitting it out.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:55:43am |
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jcm Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:55:48am |
re: #197 avanti
His proof reader screwed up big time, and I was a bit put off by the error. It's like when I watch a movie and the cowboy shoots 8 rounds from his sixshooter.
I love 8 shot 6 shooters! The old John Wayne movies, running gun battle for 10 minutes and no one reloads!
The one I like (/s) is cop shows. The cop enters a building looking for an armed bad guy.... then when they hear something, yank the slide back and load a round!
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abaleh Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:56:06am |
re: #202 Chicago Blonde
RIGHT? Oh, and we were too free, and according to TPON, we were selfish pigs who spent too much time watering our lawns. No I'm not kidding, it made him mad to see us shaking out the weed 'n' feed. Oh, and we suck because some of salt our watermelon. I know it's one example but it seems to be one few moonbats know and I love using it.
/Our fault. Riiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.
Not to mention drinking unsweetened tea and poor choice of haircuts - morally corrupt.
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WriterMom Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:56:07am |
re: #209 godfrey
Which part suprises you? The Serbian, the basketball, the Wyoming wedding or the sex/marriage stuff?
LOL.
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:56:14am |
re: #181 Silhouette
From what I see, the highest approval (24%) and corresponding lowest disapproval is in the PA. Yeah, the line is longer, but that is a measure of responses.
The highest disapproval percentage is in Egypt, where we send 2 billion/yr.
But they have the highest disapproval rating, which is a good thing...kind of. The smaller approval number is still a shit load of people. Egypt certainly has it's jihad problem, but as arab dictatorships go, they are better than most. That's not saying much though.
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godfrey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:56:36am |
re: #203 pink freud
The ID think is what infuriates me. The state of the schools and the power of the teacher unions piss me off.
Did the BESE Board sign off on the idea? I can't imagine the BOR would do so, but I don't see Clausen making a stand.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:56:38am |
re: #200 sattv4u2
science should be apolitical, IMHO. Isn't that how we got into this Global Warming mess in the 1st place? Scientists accepting political tainted "grant monies" to produce studies that support the grantors pre-concieved notion?
Science itself should be apolitical, but promotion of science shouldn't be ignored either. The benefits of a political promotion of science, landing man on the moon, are near immeasurable.
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:56:39am |
re: #188 J.S.
Sorry, I missed that. Two idiots huh? Yeah, I'd say they had Ivory Tower Syndrome.
Give your kitty a hug for me.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:57:08am |
re: #202 Chicago Blonde
RIGHT? Oh, and we were too free, and according to TPON, we were selfish pigs who spent too much time watering our lawns. No I'm not kidding, it made him mad to see us shaking out the weed 'n' feed. Oh, and we suck because some of salt our watermelon. I know it's one example but it seems to be one few moonbats know and I love using it.
/Our fault. Riiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.
I completely forgot about that one.
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bolivar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:57:34am |
re: #191 loppyd
Being a Republican governor in a Democrat controlled state is a thankless job. Mitt gave them a run for their money here in MA, but it was a drop in the barrel.
I can't say I blame you for considering moving. I'd move to NH tomorrow, but the BF is opposed. He wants to go south if we go anywhere.
Ditto here. We have lots in Florida and are just waiting to build on them. If the whole thing here does not go to hell....might happen sooner than we had thought. The economy does not look too rosy right now and the messiah is doing nothing to help it. My kids and grandkids will be paying for this mess and that is unconscionable.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:57:50am |
re: #216 jcm
I love 8 shot 6 shooters! The old John Wayne movies, running gun battle for 10 minutes and no one reloads!
The one I like (/s) is cop shows. The cop enters a building looking for an armed bad guy.... then when they hear something, yank the slide back and load a round!
It isn't even relegated to the old John Wayne movies (my favorites). Check out Kevin Kostner's shootout in the alley in Open Range. Single action Colt, and I think I counted 10 shots.
;-)
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:58:06am |
re: #213 Kosh's Shadow
You mean the UN will spend it on themselves before it gets within stealing distance of Hamas?
The irony is that there are no non-hamas UN employees in gaza. UN is Hamas there.
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chicagodudewhotrades Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:58:08am |
re: #132 abaleh
I thought about 5th fleet being there, yes that is a Huge issue, But that is a admin command, not a 'forces based there' command. I don't believe we have any combat forces permanently based in Bahrain. If Iran used precision munitions and were very careful not to hit any US facilities (Granted , that is a HUGE 'if') I wonder if Zero would do anything about it? After all , he is the one who wants to 'talk' to Iran. And if the Iranians made some "Sudetenland' type statement = 'We promise our Territorial ambitions stop here at Bahrain" I wonder if they could sell it to Zero and the rest of the gulf? Yes . a Iranian invasion of Bahrain is unlikely, but bad economics times can cause national leadership to engage in decisions that aren't rational.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:58:31am |
re: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/#217 abaleh
Not to mention drinking unsweetened tea and - morally corrupt.
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Silhouette Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:58:33am |
re: #219 Ziggy
I didn't read the header. I thought it was approval or disapproval of the US. I was wondering why the PA seemed so tolerant.
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ConservatismNow! Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:59:05am |
re: #165 sattv4u2
Their money comes from the UN and Iran. Iran is an oil producing country.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:59:05am |
re: #221 FurryOldGuyJeans
Science itself should be apolitical, but promotion of science shouldn't be ignored either. The benefits of a political promotion of science, landing man on the moon, are near immeasurable.
That wasn't done for political purposes. Both parties embraced that effort.
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:59:11am |
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godfrey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:59:12am |
re: #221 FurryOldGuyJeans
Some dust, some rocks, and a few footprints. Pffth. The moon landing was such a letdown. All that colonialist expense and energy, and for what? I pray to Gaia that we don't colonize Mars. When we will ever evolve? I mean, going to Mars? Shouldn't we be, like, investing in our future?
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:59:12am |
re: #203 pink freud
I hope he is wildly successful because it will benefit you and the citizens of Louisiana.
I don't hold a strong opinion on the ID debate, but I respect your view. However, I will always be the first to stand up and bash the teacher's unions!
I am feeling better. Finally! It's been a looong month.
Thank you for asking...
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abaleh Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:59:32am |
re: #219 Ziggy
But they have the highest disapproval rating, which is a good thing...kind of. The smaller approval number is still a shit load of people. Egypt certainly has it's jihad problem, but as arab dictatorships go, they are better than most. That's not saying much though.
Ever notice how Mubarak always holds official conferences in Sharm al Sheikh and not in Cairo? He hates his own country and doesn't feel comfortable in it. Egypt is a heart attack away from an Islamic revolution.
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avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 10:59:46am |
re: #200 sattv4u2
science should be apolitical, IMHO. Isn't that how we got into this Global Warming mess in the 1st place? Scientists accepting political tainted "grant monies" to produce studies that support the grantors pre-concieved notion?
That's a straw man argument since many of the anti global warming studies are funded by agenda driven sources. On the other hand, it's NASA, the EPA, NOAA and the like representing the science. Many on the right are now at least accepting most of the science including GW, Newt and others.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:00:30am |
re: #211 Leonidas Hoplite
Yikes! Given that I'm sure ours will be going up to...NY won't go down to Taxachusetts without a fight!
We may be getting a fat tax just like Patterson has proposed so there! :~)
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:00:33am |
re: #227 subsailor68
It isn't even relegated to the old John Wayne movies (my favorites). Check out Kevin Kostner's shootout in the alley in Open Range. Single action Colt, and I think I counted 10 shots.
;-)
I like when people use rocket launchers like handguns in movies - Death Wish 3 ends with Bronson blowing away the gang leader with a LAW in his apartment! LOL!
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pink freud Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:00:35am |
re: #220 godfrey
I don't know Godfrey, but I will make an effort to get some information on that.
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Unakite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:00:45am |
re: #146 Leonidas Hoplite
That's much better than $2.19 near me in NY
$1.71 at a 7-11 here in VA (not NOVA).
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MandyManners Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:00:55am |
re: #238 avanti
That's a straw man argument since many of the anti global warming studies are funded by agenda driven sources. On the other hand, it's NASA, the EPA, NOAA and the like representing the science. Many on the right are now at least accepting most of the science including GW, Newt and others.
NASA has been infiltrated by a Sorosbot, Hansen.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:01:15am |
re: #232 ConservatismNow!
Their money comes from the UN and Iran. Iran is an oil producing country.
They get a lot more from the UN (and the USA, BTW) than they do from Iran. Iran runs them some covert guns/ "martyrs/ cash. But even without Irans funds, they would still be blowing up Pizza Parlors in Sderot
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blangwort Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:01:28am |
They polled the cities in Iran:
Do you agree with the plan?
If you don't, we'll shoot
If you do, we'll scoot
And we'll publish it in Teheran
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:02:03am |
re: #229 chicagodudewhotrades
I thought about 5th fleet being there, yes that is a Huge issue, But that is a admin command, not a 'forces based there' command. I don't believe we have any combat forces permanently based in Bahrain. If Iran used precision munitions and were very careful not to hit any US facilities (Granted , that is a HUGE 'if') I wonder if Zero would do anything about it? After all , he is the one who wants to 'talk' to Iran. And if the Iranians made some "Sudetenland' type statement = 'We promise our Territorial ambitions stop here at Bahrain" I wonder if they could sell it to Zero and the rest of the gulf? Yes . a Iranian invasion of Bahrain is unlikely, but bad economics times can cause national leadership to engage in decisions that aren't rational.
No, he'd have to do something. The outcry if he did not would see him bounced out on his butt in 2012 even if it was Jindal running against him.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:02:14am |
re: #239 loppyd
We may be getting a fat tax just like Patterson has proposed so there! :~)
Touché but at least you have delicious Lobster Pool fried clams!
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Pastorius Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:02:46am |
With numbers like this, it is clear we need an Anti-Jihad movement.
I will not be weakened by those who choose fascist leanings in this fight.
Jihad/Sharia is anti-Western and anti-Human Rights.
There is no question about that.
I will not allow my antipathy to Jihad/Sharia, and any Islamic advocates for such ideas, to be thwarted by idiots who want to turn the fight into an Ethnic Nationalist endeavor.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:02:52am |
re: #240 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I like when people use rocket launchers like handguns in movies - Death Wish 3 ends with Bronson blowing away the gang leader with a LAW in his apartment! LOL!
LOL! Or the ultimate - the scene in Shoot Em Up where Clive Owen puts the shells between his fingers and then sticks his hand in the fire.
I love that kind of accuracy in movies.
:-)
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:02:53am |
re: #231 Silhouette
I didn't read the header. I thought it was approval or disapproval of the US. I was wondering why the PA seemed so tolerant.
The palestinians are very tolerant....of murder, intimidation, genocide, extortion and perpetual victimhood. But not of freedom, democracy, Americans or Jews. I know that's a broad brush and doesn't apply to all of them, but I believe it's thevast majority. I am truely sorry for the peace loving palestinians that are victims of their own leaders, but that's their problem. Gaza should disappear.
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:03:11am |
re: #221 FurryOldGuyJeans
Science itself should be apolitical, but promotion of science shouldn't be ignored either. The benefits of a political promotion of science, landing man on the moon, are near immeasurable.
Ok, so put in the Republican platform that Creatinism is lunacy & Creationists should leave the Republican Party post haste?
I don't buy into it, but having Creationists vote Republican is not a bad thing. Less is not more.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:03:34am |
re: #237 abaleh
Ever notice how Mubarak always holds official conferences in Sharm al Sheikh and not in Cairo? He hates his own country and doesn't feel comfortable in it. Egypt is a heart attack away from an Islamic revolution.
I'm not sure that's why he does not. Cairo is overcrowded and dirty, while Sharm el Sheikh is a nice resort town. I think he's just protecting his image.
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JohnAdams Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:03:37am |
re: #13 J.S.
hmmm...yes, so terrorist suicide bombers are a "defensive" tactic...(I wonder how many people in the UK, Canada, etc., also believe that -- it's one of the Media's on-going and long-standing "messages" in sympathy with terrorists.)
"They are freedom fighters" shrieked Helen Thomas, right before the farmhouse fell on her.
//Dream over.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:04:11am |
re: #214 opnion
No I am not suggesting that at all, if your alluding to a denunciation of Evolution. I see no gain for either political party to take some kind of stand, like what in the platform?
What is important is that the nominee be rational & embrace evolution.
But tell ya what, if a Creationist runs against Obama I am no sitting it out.
Rational promotion of all of science as a plank is a start, not embracing a singular facet.
I have never been one to petulantly sit out a vote no matter how wrong I feel the candidates are.
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Unakite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:04:20am |
re: #165 sattv4u2
The "Palastinians" have neither money NOR oil. Doesn't seem to deter them!
Yes, but they are backed, at least to some extent, by Iranian money and oil (not that Iran will have a lot of money if oil prices stay low).
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realwest Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:04:22am |
re: #238 avanti
"That's a straw man argument since many of the anti global warming studies are funded by agenda driven sources." That's EXACTLY what sattv4u2 was saying.
And if you don't think that NASA, the EPA, NOAA are agenda driven as well, then I think you've drunk too much Kool aid.
Without that issue, how do they truly justify their funding to continue their work in this field?
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:05:07am |
re: #237 abaleh
Ever notice how Mubarak always holds official conferences in Sharm al Sheikh and not in Cairo? He hates his own country and doesn't feel comfortable in it. Egypt is a heart attack away from an Islamic revolution.
I hear you. sometimes a friendly dictator is the way to go. If they went islamist, the world would suffer (understatement)
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realwest Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:05:08am |
Well it's been interesting y'all but I gotta go eat some lunch now.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:05:10am |
re: #247 Leonidas Hoplite
Touché but at least you have delicious Lobster Pool fried clams!
Mmmmmm! Yes we do! They open in April. Maybe I'll have the BF take me there for my birthday. :)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:05:12am |
re: #255 Unakite
Yes, but they are backed, at least to some extent, by Iranian money and oil (not that Iran will have a lot of money if oil prices stay low).
please see my #244
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:05:17am |
re: #246 Dark_Falcon
No, he'd have to do something. The outcry if he did not would see him bounced out on his butt in 2012 even if it was Jindal running against him.
That's assuming that the 5th Fleet remains stationed at Bahrain. I would not be surprised if Barry pulls the fleet out as a "Goodwill jester" (pun intended)
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:05:22am |
re: #258 realwest
Well it's been interesting y'all but I gotta go eat some lunch now.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
{real}
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:05:30am |
re: #240 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I like when people use rocket launchers like handguns in movies - Death Wish 3 ends with Bronson blowing away the gang leader with a LAW in his apartment! LOL!
You're right. The backblast would have killed him......LoL
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:06:05am |
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:06:14am |
re: #258 realwest
Well it's been interesting y'all but I gotta go eat some lunch now.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Have a wonderful evening!
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SummerSong Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:06:45am |
OT- Just got a call from the police -
Seems they found my stuff and the guy who stole it!
Now that is some damn fine police work!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:06:51am |
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:06:55am |
re: #229 chicagodudewhotrades
I thought about 5th fleet being there, yes that is a Huge issue, But that is a admin command, not a 'forces based there' command. I don't believe we have any combat forces permanently based in Bahrain. If Iran used precision munitions and were very careful not to hit any US facilities (Granted , that is a HUGE 'if') I wonder if Zero would do anything about it? After all , he is the one who wants to 'talk' to Iran. And if the Iranians made some "Sudetenland' type statement = 'We promise our Territorial ambitions stop here at Bahrain" I wonder if they could sell it to Zero and the rest of the gulf? Yes . a Iranian invasion of Bahrain is unlikely, but bad economics times can cause national leadership to engage in decisions that aren't rational.
The 0 might sell out Bahrain as well; I'm not sure.
He'd negotiate, apologize, and then promise "peace in our time".
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:07:07am |
re: #233 sattv4u2
That wasn't done for political purposes. Both parties embraced that effort.
It was at its core pure American propaganda and politics against the Soviet system. JFK promoted it such that there were other non-political considerations to be considered, and he was right.
Politics does extend beyond the narrow confines of both American political parties.
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:07:11am |
re: #254 FurryOldGuyJeans
Rational promotion of all of science as a plank is a start, not embracing a singular facet.
I have never been one to petulantly sit out a vote no matter how wrong I feel the candidates are.
Ok, now see what you're saying & that I agree with.
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Bloodnok Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:07:27am |
OT - So finally 0bama is getting a Portuguese Water Dog (possible names Frank or Moose). I can't wait to see pictures of him walking that dog. You think he looked uncomfortable with a bicycle?
(btw, same breed as Teddy Kennedy's dog, Splash)
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bolivar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:07:53am |
Mandy, I don't have the strong opinion on ID that a lot have on this site. I ignore the posts on it to avoid saying something I will regret. My contention is there are so many more pressing issues to argue about. Some of these may actually do somebody some good. This whole subject is going nowhere anytime soon. Nothing more. Will not bring it up again as it just inflames too many to no avail.
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abaleh Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:08:12am |
re: #229 chicagodudewhotrades
I thought about 5th fleet being there, yes that is a Huge issue, But that is a admin command, not a 'forces based there' command. I don't believe we have any combat forces permanently based in Bahrain. If Iran used precision munitions and were very careful not to hit any US facilities (Granted , that is a HUGE 'if') I wonder if Zero would do anything about it? After all , he is the one who wants to 'talk' to Iran. And if the Iranians made some "Sudetenland' type statement = 'We promise our Territorial ambitions stop here at Bahrain" I wonder if they could sell it to Zero and the rest of the gulf? Yes . a Iranian invasion of Bahrain is unlikely, but bad economics times can cause national leadership to engage in decisions that aren't rational.
Regarding the 0's response, I have no idea.
Regarding precision munitions, there are none in Iran, despite their best claims, and I doubt their raggedy air-force could get within launch range with US Navy, Air Force, and superior Arab planes all over the Persian Gulf.
Besides, they couldn't hold Bahrain, it is nestled nicely between Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The one thing you can count on more than the Arabs' hate of the West, is their hate of Persians. Besides, they couldn't keep such an occupation force supplied across the Gulf.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:08:18am |
re: #266 SummerSong
OT- Just got a call from the police -
Seems they found my stuff and the guy who stole it!
Now that is some damn fine police work!
Sorry you were robbed, but happy they got your stuff and the thug who stole it!
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:08:29am |
re: #272 Bloodnok
OT - So finally 0bama is getting a Portuguese Water Dog (possible names Frank or Moose). I can't wait to see pictures of him walking that dog. You think he looked uncomfortable with a bicycle?
(btw, same breed as Teddy Kennedy's dog, Splash)
I hope that he doesn't, they are great dogs.
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HelloDare Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:08:38am |
re: #148 opnion
Why would the Republican Party take a position on Creationism?
Why would the Democrat's for that matter?
They won't take an outright stand on creationism, but they might phrase something about academic freedom that will be code for it.
The same way the Democrats might take a pro-science position. It will also be code.
I'm trying to find out what Steele thinks. If he and the Republican leadership are creationists, it's pretty much the same thing as being in the republican platform. You know the media will carry the water on the issue. Remember that video from French TV on the Creation Museum that was posted here. Stuff like that will be everywhere. Saturday Night Live will have the republican candidate riding a dinosaur.
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Randall Gross Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:09:20am |
re: #248 Pastorius
We need an anti-qods, anti-deoband, anti-wahabbist movement. If you pay particular attention to the charts you see where the roots are. Almost every major non-SJS terror attack can be directly tracked back to Pakistan, Palestinian areas, or Iran. Almost every one. Pakistan's frontiers are leading the hunt in extra-territorial attacks, which is why I focus there so much. We aren't going to change that demographic by agreeing with Zawahiri either. I wish the chart had Yemen as well since those are headed markedly south the past year, and there's definite uptick in AQ activity and support there.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:09:24am |
re: #272 Bloodnok
OT - So finally 0bama is getting a Portuguese Water Dog (possible names Frank or Moose). I can't wait to see pictures of him walking that dog. You think he looked uncomfortable with a bicycle?
(btw, same breed as Teddy Kennedy's dog, Splash)
/ I think they should name it Board.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:09:26am |
re: #272 Bloodnok
OT - So finally 0bama is getting a Portuguese Water Dog (possible names Frank or Moose). I can't wait to see pictures of him walking that dog. You think he looked uncomfortable with a bicycle?
(btw, same breed as Teddy Kennedy's dog, Splash)
Ten bucks say they have a web site up where Americans can vote on the dog's name.
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:09:30am |
re: #200 sattv4u2
science should be apolitical, IMHO. Isn't that how we got into this Global Warming mess in the 1st place? Scientists accepting political tainted "grant monies" to produce studies that support the grantors pre-concieved notion?
I agree. IIRC the EPA studies on second hand smoke were similarly agenda driven. Draw your conclusion and then manipulate the data to back up the conclusion.
That's not science. It's politics and shame on any scientist who does act politically.
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bolivar Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:09:42am |
re: #256 realwest
"That's a straw man argument since many of the anti global warming studies are funded by agenda driven sources." That's EXACTLY what sattv4u2 was saying.
And if you don't think that NASA, the EPA, NOAA are agenda driven as well, then I think you've drunk too much Kool aid.
Without that issue, how do they truly justify their funding to continue their work in this field?
Lost cause Realwest, this guy buys everything the left is selling. I have argued with him and it is like talking to a wall.
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avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:10:08am |
re: #256 realwest
"That's a straw man argument since many of the anti global warming studies are funded by agenda driven sources." That's EXACTLY what sattv4u2 was saying.
And if you don't think that NASA, the EPA, NOAA are agenda driven as well, then I think you've drunk too much Kool aid.
Without that issue, how do they truly justify their funding to continue their work in this field?
If the party takes that stand, you'll need to explain how you can reject the main stream science without being anti science. Just like the ID'ers, you can't just reject the science you don't like without looking silly.
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formercorpsman Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:10:09am |
Do I not see a sampling of Iraq there?
Just curious.
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pink freud Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:10:36am |
re: #276 opnion
I hope that he doesn't, they are great dogs.
Can you imagine that poor pup facing the wrath of WAB?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:10:39am |
re: #238 avanti
NASA, which had to recently retract a large chunk of its AGW/ACC supporting data as bad, is as agenda driven as any of the government supported entities. They are all hands-out looking for renewed and increased funding.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:11:05am |
Islamists Gain Ground in Sarajevo
Radical Muslim imams and nationalist politicians from all camps are threatening Sarajevo's multicultural legacy. With the help of Arab benefactors, the deeply devout are acquiring new recruits. In the "Jerusalem of the Balkans," Islamists are on the rise.
Uh oh.
Sarajevo
Candyman.
Candyman.
Candyman.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:11:07am |
re: #272 Bloodnok
OT - So finally 0bama is getting a Portuguese Water Dog (possible names Frank or Moose). I can't wait to see pictures of him walking that dog. You think he looked uncomfortable with a bicycle?
(btw, same breed as Teddy Kennedy's dog, Splash)
AP:
Sheik Mohammed Ben-Cainari declares Portuguese Water Dogs evolved from sheep.
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:11:18am |
re: #272 Bloodnok
I have to say I'm glad he's keeping his promise to his daughters. And I hope that dog is loved and spoiled.
/Total softy pet lover. Those commercials with the sick animals and Sarah McLaughlin singing make me sniffle...
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doppelganglander Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:11:44am |
re: #251 opnion
Ok, so put in the Republican platform that Creatinism is lunacy & Creationists should leave the Republican Party post haste?
I don't buy into it, but having Creationists vote Republican is not a bad thing. Less is not more.
IMO, the GOP allowed the fundamentalist tail to wag the dog and it's been detrimental to the party. The Evangelicals became very politicized beginning in the 70s, where they had been apolitical previously, particularly surrounding the abortion issue. (This is another reason why Roe v. Wade is a terrible decision. If it had been left to the states and legalized gradually, it would never have become the radioactive issue it is today.) It's gotten to the point where politicians don't dare oppose them, leading to stupid statements like "creationism and evolution should both be taught and let kids decide for themselves." It's a weaselly position and indicates a failure of leadership. If the GOP continues to be identified as anti-science and beholden to a small religious minority, it will never be more than a regional party.
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chicagodudewhotrades Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:11:49am |
re: #246 Dark_Falcon
But if the Iranians did something this summer,and if the MSM swept any stories about a invasion under a rug/downplayed them, by 2012 or maybe even 2010, it may not be a election issue? Another possibility to throw out there is a Iran-backed palace coup that puts a Iran-friendly leader in charge of Bahrain.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:11:53am |
re: #240 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I like when people use rocket launchers like handguns in movies - Death Wish 3 ends with Bronson blowing away the gang leader with a LAW in his apartment! LOL!
That would blow away the gang leader all right.
And Bronson, and the apartment, and a few other apartments.
And that's just from the rocket motor.
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:11:57am |
BTW, this poll had to have been taken before Obama's inauguration. Everyone is supposed to love us now.
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:12:13am |
re: #277 HelloDare
They won't take an outright stand on creationism, but they might phrase something about academic freedom that will be code for it.
The same way the Democrats might take a pro-science position. It will also be code.
I'm trying to find out what Steele thinks. If he and the Republican leadership are creationists, it's pretty much the same thing as being in the republican platform. You know the media will carry the water on the issue. Remember that video from French TV on the Creation Museum that was posted here. Stuff like that will be everywhere. Saturday Night Live will have the republican candidate riding a dinosaur.
Now, I get ya. Be of good cheer , Romney is not a creationist & I can't imagine that Rudy is. But if it is Obama or a Creationist, it would not be a tough call for me,.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:12:39am |
A little glimpse of our future if Obama supporters get their way?
Greeks shut airports, services to protest economy
From the article:
...hundreds of workers marched to parliament with banners reading "No to pension reforms, privatisations and job cuts".
Do what you must, but don't you dare try to gore my ox! Idiots.
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formercorpsman Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:12:50am |
re: #238 avanti
Avanti, I have a cousin who works for NASA. He is employed within a discipline you would think should absolutely apolitical.
Educated to the hilt.
Total left ideologue.
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HelloDare Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:12:53am |
re: #288 Walter L. Newton
(btw, same breed as Teddy Kennedy's dog, Splash)
A dog that's a good swimmer. Jeez. Is there a dog that can drive a car?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:13:01am |
re: #272 Bloodnok
OT - So finally 0bama is getting a Portuguese Water Dog (possible names Frank or Moose). I can't wait to see pictures of him walking that dog. You think he looked uncomfortable with a bicycle?
(btw, same breed as Teddy Kennedy's dog, Splash)
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rawmuse Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:13:09am |
Their fists are not the only ones that can clench.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:13:20am |
re: #249 subsailor68
LOL! Or the ultimate - the scene in Shoot Em Up where Clive Owen puts the shells between his fingers and then sticks his hand in the fire.
I love that kind of accuracy in movies.
:-)
Suggest Mythbusters test these. I love to see movie myths blown up.
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bulwrk Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:13:31am |
re: #238 avanti
Oh please,now there's a mountain of crap that's shovel ready.The "science" behind GW is nothing but driven by big money.Here's a clue for you when a majority of world politicians start to jump on your bandwagon its because they smell easy money,like sharks smell blood.
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abaleh Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:13:42am |
re: #291 chicagodudewhotrades
But if the Iranians did something this summer,and if the MSM swept any stories about a invasion under a rug/downplayed them, by 2012 or maybe even 2010, it may not be a election issue? Another possibility to throw out there is a Iran-backed palace coup that puts a Iran-friendly leader in charge of Bahrain.
That sounds more plausible.
Bahrain has a Shiite majority but is ruled by a Sunni royal family.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:14:22am |
re: #268 Kosh's Shadow
The 0 might sell out Bahrain as well; I'm not sure.
He'd negotiate, apologize, and then promise "peace in our time".
Will he be holding up a scrap of paper while standing on a tarmac in a wind-blown rain? How priceless would that be?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:14:42am |
re: #272 Bloodnok
OT - So finally 0bama is getting a Portuguese Water Dog (possible names Frank or Moose). I can't wait to see pictures of him walking that dog. You think he looked uncomfortable with a bicycle?
(btw, same breed as Teddy Kennedy's dog, Splash)
Arriving April 1st, eh? Why do I see this as a potential practical joke?
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:15:12am |
OT how do any of you get work done? I swear LGF cuts my productivity by more than half and insures late nights of playing catch up.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:15:21am |
On topic:
Not one of those countries in the poll are free countries.
I gather there were a lot of respondents who figured that the regime was listening or would know who was answering what.
Not many are going to say, Oh yeah! when the Egyptian regime will hear you.
Love to see the poll about supporting attacks on the Juden.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:15:25am |
re: #300 Kosh's Shadow
Suggest Mythbusters test these. I love to see movie myths blown up.
Hmmm....good idea.
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Unakite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:15:26am |
re: #229 chicagodudewhotrades
I thought about 5th fleet being there, yes that is a Huge issue, But that is a admin command, not a 'forces based there' command. I don't believe we have any combat forces permanently based in Bahrain. If Iran used precision munitions and were very careful not to hit any US facilities (Granted , that is a HUGE 'if') I wonder if Zero would do anything about it? After all , he is the one who wants to 'talk' to Iran. And if the Iranians made some "Sudetenland' type statement = 'We promise our Territorial ambitions stop here at Bahrain" I wonder if they could sell it to Zero and the rest of the gulf? Yes . a Iranian invasion of Bahrain is unlikely, but bad economics times can cause national leadership to engage in decisions that aren't rational.
It would be tough not to hit any US facilities. Bahrain for the most part is a small, desert Island with one main city (Manama, the capital). The US base is in Manama. There's not much left to target in Bahrain.
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avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:16:03am |
re: #281 LGoPs
I agree. IIRC the EPA studies on second hand smoke were similarly agenda driven. Draw your conclusion and then manipulate the data to back up the conclusion.
That's not science. It's politics and shame on any scientist who does act politically.
I think you can reject the sky is falling arguments from the likes of Al Gore without rejecting the science that shows the earth warming and that man is part of it.
BTW, do I take your post to indicate you don't believe the science behind the health dangers of second hand smoke too ?
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:16:31am |
re: #285 pink freud
Can you imagine that poor pup facing the wrath of WAB?
No dog deserves that & Water Dogs are particularly non-agressive.
But come on , just one bite, Grrrr, good dog.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:16:31am |
re: #305 Ziggy
OT how do any of you get work done? I swear LGF cuts my productivity by more than half and insures late nights of playing catch up.
We're conservatives. We are all wealthy and have nothing else to do while the poor people are working for us and putting money into our pockets.
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capitalist piglet Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:16:36am |
re: #289 Chicago Blonde
I have to say I'm glad he's keeping his promise to his daughters. And I hope that dog is loved and spoiled.
/Total softy pet lover. Those commercials with the sick animals and Sarah McLaughlin singing make me sniffle...
Me too! I am a shameless dog lover. I don't like seeing anyone get hurt in a movie, but if it's an animal, especially a dog, I can't even watch. I have no doubt I would die for mine, if it came to it.
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SummerSong Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:16:41am |
re: #275 loppyd
Thank you! Me, too. I am hugely impressed with my police department!
They knew it was my stuff because the GPS had my address in it.
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:17:07am |
re: #306 Ben Hur
On topic:
Not one of those countries in the poll are free countries.
I gather there were a lot of respondents who figured that the regime was listening or would know who was answering what.
Not many are going to say, Oh yeah! when the Egyptian regime will hear you.
Love to see the poll about supporting attacks on the Juden.
Are you suggesting that a higher % approve of civilian attacks or less?
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steve Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:17:18am |
re: #305 Ziggy
OT how do any of you get work done? I swear LGF cuts my productivity by more than half and insures late nights of playing catch up.
What does it pay and how can I help pick up your slack? ;-)
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Harry Tuttle Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:17:18am |
re: #280 loppyd
Ten bucks say they have a web site up where Americans can vote on the dog's name.
They will name the dog taxes.
Then they are going to raise taxes...
(yes I had to).
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gregb Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:17:21am |
Wow, that would mean--according to my cheetoh's science and excel spreadsheet--there are 43,489,165 people who agree with attacking civilians in our country.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:17:43am |
Wait until they hear about France's military base in the United Arab Emirates.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:18:17am |
re: #309 avanti
I think you can reject the sky is falling arguments from the likes of Al Gore without rejecting the science that shows the earth warming and that man is part of it.
BTW, do I take your post to indicate you don't believe the science behind the health dangers of second hand smoke too ?
When a large chunk of the the very data being promoted to support AGW/ACC has been shown to be bad and distorted is not a time to not question the entire construct.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:18:28am |
re: #306 Ben Hur
Love to see the poll about supporting attacks on the Juden.
That wouldn't be very cost effective.
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:18:32am |
re: #311 Walter L. Newton
We're conservatives. We are all wealthy and have nothing else to do while the poor people are working for us and putting money into our pockets.
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Good for you. I have to get into that club. Actually, I understand that paying taxes and mortgages are now optional.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:18:52am |
re: #314 Ziggy
Are you suggesting that a higher % approve of civilian attacks or less?
Higher.
And even higher that would justify it, or would be in denial after the fact.
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:19:32am |
re: #312 capitalist piglet
I know, Mr. Blonde knows when I try to watch Animal Precinct because he hears the snuffling and the tissues rattling.
I love my varmints. One of our cats was abused before we got him, and this is the affectionate one that just wants a lap to crawl into. Heartless inhuman scum.
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:19:36am |
re: #315 steve
What does it pay and how can I help pick up your slack? ;-)
Your awesome. I thought conservatives were supposed to be heartless.
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dhg4 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:20:01am |
And subverting American values in deference to Islamic sensitivities, hiring a Saudi shill and providing nearly $1 billion for Hamas will obviously help open those unclenched fists.
Not.
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Unakite Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:20:44am |
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:20:46am |
re: #322 Ben Hur
Higher.
And even higher that would justify it, or would be in denial after the fact.
Comforting thought. I hope you're wrong, but you make sense.
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itellu3times Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:21:19am |
Disturbing? Why disturbing, who disturbing?
It's same as it ever was.
The 80% against numbers - mean nothing. Islam has always been effectively run by its craziest minority. Under sharia, the majority means nothing at all, the word of Allah dominates.
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loppyd Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:21:25am |
re: #316 Harry Tuttle
They will name the dog taxes.
Then they are going to raise taxes...
(yes I had to).
They are kind of cute. Not my style for a dog, but cute.
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MandyManners Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:21:26am |
re: #283 avanti
If the party takes that stand, you'll need to explain how you can reject the main stream science without being anti science. Just like the ID'ers, you can't just reject the science you don't like without looking silly.
WTF? A political party gets to decide what is science? Fucking nuts, man. Just fucking nuts.
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Pyrocles Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:21:47am |
I have a big long-haired cat named Moose... That name's taken, damnit! :)
re: #272 Bloodnok
OT - So finally 0bama is getting a Portuguese Water Dog (possible names Frank or Moose). I can't wait to see pictures of him walking that dog. You think he looked uncomfortable with a bicycle?
(btw, same breed as Teddy Kennedy's dog, Splash)
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dhg4 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:23:37am |
re: #306 Ben Hur
On topic:
Not one of those countries in the poll are free countries.
I gather there were a lot of respondents who figured that the regime was listening or would know who was answering what.
Not many are going to say, Oh yeah! when the Egyptian regime will hear you.
Love to see the poll about supporting attacks on the Juden.
I love it when the media reports on polls conducted by Zogby and Shibley Telhami that tell us that the Muslim world doesn't respect us because we support Israel too much. And we're supposed to take those results to heart and feel ashamed that we don't pay proper attention to those sensibilities.
But of course, as you point out, would any of the respondents dare to tell the pollsters, "Well yes, I wish my government was more like Israel's where we can throw the bums out every few years."
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ConservatismNow! Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:23:48am |
re: #289 Chicago Blonde
I have to say I'm glad he's keeping his promise to his daughters. And I hope that dog is loved and spoiled.
/Total softy pet lover. Those commercials with the sick animals and Sarah McLaughlin singing make me sniffle...
I know! I already have 4 cats, all of them strays or litters from strays. I wish I could get more.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:24:18am |
re: #272 Bloodnok
OT - So finally 0bama is getting a Portuguese Water Dog (possible names Frank or Moose). I can't wait to see pictures of him walking that dog. You think he looked uncomfortable with a bicycle?
(btw, same breed as Teddy Kennedy's dog, Splash)
Kennedy named his dog "Splash"!? Did he name his car that, too?
/bad, bad, bad
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avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:24:39am |
re: #296 formercorpsman
Avanti, I have a cousin who works for NASA. He is employed within a discipline you would think should absolutely apolitical.
Educated to the hilt.
Total left ideologue.
Most scientists are liberals, those with post graduate degrees even more so. Since more are also atheists, they tend to be less socially conservative. Thus the disdain by some on the right for pin head intellectuals and the anti science bias.
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Last Mohican Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:25:08am |
re: #120 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm a blues harmonica player and Cotton is one of my favorite living players.
In the late 80's, I once saw him play with his own band, in an empty club. Just me and and my two three friends in the audience, and we watched the show from about five feet away from the man. He still didn't hold anything back.
At one point, his microphone cut out completely, and he didn't miss a beat. The band quieted down a bit, and he kept right on playing. We leaned in a little closer so we could still hear him.
One of the greatest shows I've ever seen. I had no idea who I was even watching until I went and asked the sound man.
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opnion Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:25:26am |
re: #319 FurryOldGuyJeans
When a large chunk of the the very data being promoted to support AGW/ACC has been shown to be bad and distorted is not a time to not question the entire construct.
Excellent point. I can imagine that the Earth is warming, but I do not buy that humans are a significant cause.
Interesting though, that the same Newsweek that is know helping to spread the Global Warming hysteria was warning of a new Ice Age about 30 years ago.
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steve Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:25:32am |
re: #324 Ziggy
Your awesome. I thought conservatives were supposed to be heartless.
No I am just unemployed. Trying to make a living and support my family. As long as it is not immoral, unethical (my choice) or illegal I will do it.
Trying to convince the interviewers that I am trustworthy, teachable, and task-oriented and I know what I can do.
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:25:40am |
re: #333 ConservatismNow!
Bless your heart. Our critters were all adoptedstrays too.
Pets. Wine. Good food. Lizards.
Life can be very good, can't it?
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gegenkritik Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:26:04am |
What somewhat surprised me is the approval-rate in Morocco. So far, I always had the impression that Moroccans are relatively friendly towards the U.S.
It's no problem to walk with a shirt with American symbols in the streets of moroccan cities (while you could get into serious trouble for this in other countries). A few hundred US-Soldiers are stationed there, helping the goverment to fight terrorist groups, and Morocco really benefits from being a major-Non NATO-Ally.
...
Maybe Obama should apologize even more for being an American and send more cheques to unclench fists worldwide.
/sarcasm
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:26:13am |
re: #309 avanti
I think you can reject the sky is falling arguments from the likes of Al Gore without rejecting the science that shows the earth warming and that man is part of it.
BTW, do I take your post to indicate you don't believe the science behind the health dangers of second hand smoke too ?
I can certainly reject the fact that "the argument is over". I can reject the fact that my government is moving out and getting ready to enact draconian policies that will have a direct impact on all of us economically - as if the argument was over.
And yes, I question the second hand smoke studies. I am an ex-smoker but I still object to the nazi tactics being used against smokers. And the tactics took root once the studies 'found' that the smoke hurt others. Prior to that the health police were finding that their arguments were losing ground when the only one hurt was the smoker himself. Much easier to put the jackboot down when you can accuse the smoker of endangering others...even if they're hundreds of yards....or miles away.
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bulwrk Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:27:13am |
re: #330 MandyManners
A political party gets to decide what is science?
That would be the death of science.
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scion9 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:27:14am |
re: #335 avanti
I assume you have data that proves 'most scientists are liberals'.
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Last Mohican Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:27:21am |
re: #332 dhg4
I love it when the media reports on polls conducted by Zogby and Shibley Telhami that tell us that the Muslim world doesn't respect us because we support Israel too much.
That's what the media says, but it's not what the polls say. The polls say that the Muslim world doesn't respect us, and (not because) we support Israel too much. They wouldn't respect us one iota more than we do now if we stopped supporting Israel.
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avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:27:26am |
re: #330 MandyManners
WTF? A political party gets to decide what is science? Fucking nuts, man. Just fucking nuts.
They should not, but when you take a anti-science position they are making just that sort of choice. `
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Mad Mullah Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:27:46am |
I've always felt that winning the "hearts & minds" strategy was pure crap and totally unrealistic. Those people do not hold the same values as people in the western, civilized world do. Look at the Palestinians, the second they hold free elections, they turn around and elect a bunch of terrorist scum. Democracy doesn't work when significant numbers of the population has totally warped and uncivilized beliefs. I believe in winning by huge amounts of enemy casualties and superior firepower.
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godfrey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:30:32am |
re: #336 Last Mohican
I hear ya. I once saw Hubert Sumlin and Pinetop Perkins in a tiny bar in Albany, NY. Absolutely killin'.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:30:57am |
re: #311 Walter L. Newton
We're conservatives. We are all wealthy and have nothing else to do while the poor people are working for us and putting money into our pockets.
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How many "WASPs" does it take to change a lightbulb?
Two. One to call the help, and the other to mix the drinks.
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:32:16am |
re: #346 Mad Mullah
I always felt the people that could be "won over" never really needed it in the first place.
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Ziggy Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:32:52am |
re: #338 steve
No I am just unemployed. Trying to make a living and support my family. As long as it is not immoral, unethical (my choice) or illegal I will do it.
Trying to convince the interviewers that I am trustworthy, teachable, and task-oriented and I know what I can do.
Lots of luck with that. My wife and I work from home and our business has been cut in half over the last year. I've been broke plenty of times in my life, but never with kids. That's the hard part. I wish I could afford to sub work out. We've already had to stop that. We burn our candle at both ends because we need it all to pay our nut. My best wishes to you. I was talking to a vendor who had 150 resumes for a receptionist job, some applicants with advanced post grad degrees.
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scion9 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:33:48am |
re: #341 LGoPs
Don't look now, but you should also be worrying about Third Hand Smoke.
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meeshlr Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:38:05am |
Why did so many people in Pakistan not answer the question?
Is "no answer" the same as "approval"?
I guess that depend on who is asking the question.
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Chicago Blonde Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:42:49am |
re: #351 scion9
My friend read that and about died. I am a grade-A worrier about being healthy but geeeez....
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guest77 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:52:46am |
Almost half of the Pals think it's a good idea to attack us. And, by the way, aren't these the same people who cheered the 9/11 attack? So let's cheer President Hussein Obama's pledge of close to billion dollars to these chaps. After all, they need the money to buy all those US and Israeli flags to burn and desicrate.
It's no wonder that most Muslims sees Obama as part of their flock or umma as they say. [Link: www.forbes.com...]
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justabill Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:54:32am |
re: #43 Ojoe
It infuriates me every time I hear it. I have had former friends justify suicide bombing to my face. I have nothing more to do with them ever. They make my skin crawl.
Honestly, I am perfectly OK with the suicide part of it. Its their life and if they choose to give it to their cause, I am fine with that. The part that makes it unjustifiable is target selection. If they are attacking military targets as part of a recognized conflict and they choose to die, so be it...
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meeshlr Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:11:29pm |
re: #351 scion9
"Third hand smoke" isn't even a real health risk and the study was a joke. The study in question surveyed people about their knowledge of the dangers of third hand smoke without even establishing that such a thing existed or was even associated with risks.
Aaaaagh. Don't get me started about the health headline hyperbole!
What those researchers are really best at is self promotion.
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Oh no...Sand People! Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:24:52pm |
Now the moonbat will say, "SEE how small a percentage think we are bad! It's not that big of a deal...we should change and understand what we did to offend them! It's our fault!"
Let's do the analysis.
So our outlier, being 'teh palis', is skewing the average to a nice 9.5% 'Clenching Quotient'. So if we just push them out of the equation and bring it down to a good ol' consistent 6% still keeping Azerbaijan to 'moderate' the numbers some. Then we will make the assumption, yes I know what happens when we assume, that this is a consistent trend for all of the 1.4 'Gadztazilliotrillionbillion' Islamists, that gives us roughly.... hmmmm.
Hey, only 84,000,000 MILLION want to see us killed... versus the 9.2% (again..not even equating 'teh Palis' in the equation) 'moderately clenched' / or 'undecideds if beheading is REALLY all that bad'... then we have another 126,000,000 MILLION that I am sure will have a sudden change of heart and see the error of stoning, FGM, and all other barbaric Islamic practices...
Obama has hung the 'Kick me sign' on the White House door for all to see...what could go wrong.
/
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J.S. Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:26:21pm |
re: #346 Mad Mullah
In Canada (recently) and in other NATO nations there has been an on-going belief (becoming louder now that Obama has become President) that the war in Afghanistan cannot be won by the military. It is a "lost war." (I also heard, last week or so, that the "Democracy Project" for the Middle East or the efforts to "democratize" Afghanistan is no longer the "objective" of NATO forces -- no one is working towards the establishment of a safe and secure "democracy" -- that whole "democracy thing" was Bush's idea and is now dead.)
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J.S. Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:29:13pm |
re: #356 justabill
Are you suggesting that a variation on the old adage: "the end justifies the means?" (in other words, if one's target is a "military" one, then one can employ any means necessary to eradicate it? Personally, i don't buy into that way of thinking.)
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blangwort Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:29:37pm |
The interesting thing about this poll is that if these people knew who World Public Opinion is, they may well have salted the poll with BS. They include the following advisors:
Chairman, I.M. Destler, University of Maryland
Gloria Duffy, Commonwealth Club
William Frenzel, Brookings Institution
Alan Kay, Americans Talk Issues Foundation
Catherine Kelleher, University of Maryland
Anthony Lake, Georgetown University
Benjamin Page, Northwestern University
Robert Shapiro, Columbia University
Frederick Steeper, Market Strategies
Daniel Yankelovich, Public Agenda Foundation
And if they didn't know, they'd assume it was probably some government plant. Frankly, I feed BS to pollsters all the time. I don't see why the man on the street in Cairo would be any different.
I give this bunch as much credibility as I give any other poll. That said, they could all think the moon is made of green cheese for all I care. It's what they do that matters.
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Pupdawg Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:34:15pm |
re: #5 Occasional Reader
As usual, looks like the Palestinians lead the pack in sheer, hate-filled lunacy.
I know! Let's give 'em a billion bucks!
C'mon let's be honest. That billion will be going through the Palestinian back door. The front entrance is reserved for the new missles, other various and asundry weapons and ammunition for which it will pay.
An additional billion might help export bodily harm and death to US citizens from the region...and some still believe terrorists export no products, goods or services.
Barack knows we get exactly that for which we pay.
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Pupdawg Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:37:51pm |
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nikis-knight Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:51:28pm |
re: #238 avanti
That's a straw man argument since many of the anti global warming studies are funded by agenda driven sources. On the other hand, it's NASA, the EPA, NOAA and the like representing the science. Many on the right are now at least accepting most of the science including GW, Newt and others.
Ha ha! you implied that the EPA was not agenda driven! Buncha hippy beurocrats, I'll wager.
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J.S. Wed, Feb 25, 2009 12:55:15pm |
re: #361 blangwort
I've been reading an excellent book ("HAMAS vs Fatah") by Jonathan Schanzer. Schanzer writes about how HAMAS came into power through that disastrous election in January, 2006...Schanzer: "America's decision to back the Palestinian elections was a calculated one. It was due, in no small part, to polling data that all but guaranteed a Fatah victory over Hamas, falsely affirming the popularity of the U.S.-backed government in the West Bank and Gaza Strip" (p. 98). The author suggests also several possible reasons for the delusional poll results putting Fatah in the lead over HAMAS...(just some additional considerations about taking seriously any "polls" conducted in Arab/Muslim states...I really don't consider them valid or reliable indicators of "public opinion" in the Arab/Muslim world...far too many politicizing factors operating...so, I don't put trust in them..)
(btw, also just saw a report from a MSM source about how Gaza has now appointed (first time evah! in the Muslim world) female Shariah judges -- all right! Chalk one up to "feminism" Sharia style! as they'll be ordering one their "sistahs" to a stonin'...
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JustABill Wed, Feb 25, 2009 1:39:51pm |
re: #360 J.S.
Are you suggesting that a variation on the old adage: "the end justifies the means?" (in other words, if one's target is a "military" one, then one can employ any means necessary to eradicate it? Personally, i don't buy into that way of thinking.)
No, I am saying that if someone chooses to die for a cause, its their choice, not mine. Would you object to a marine jumping on a grenade to save his buddies? What if he could have dove instead for cover and saved his life own life? Would you object to a Japanese pilot choosing to sacrifice his life to defend his nation and family?
I draw a distinction between the fighting to the death/suicide aspects of war, which as near as I can tell are legal under the laws of war, and the other aspects(targeting civilians, not wearing a uniform/hiding among civilians, murdering prisoners ect) which are explicitly against the laws of war.
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medaura18586 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:34:42pm |
re: #50 Pyrocles
Well, Kosovo does love us, apparently. And at least the Iraqi Kurds are grateful for their liberation.
[Link: extranet.gallup-international.com...]
Eastern and Central Europe is a region where opinions divide with large majorities in several countries assessing the US contribution as positive whilst others are less enthusiastic. Positive countries include Albania (69%), Kosovo (67%), Romania (59%), Moldova (58%), Poland (58%), Russia (52%) and Czech Republic (52%) whilst amongst others, Croatia (62%) and especially Turkey (77%) are less enthusiastic.
The distribution is not so uniform...
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medaura18586 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:36:08pm |
[Link: www.informationclearinghouse.info...]
New Gallup International Post War Iraq Poll:
Global Opinion from 45 countries
05/16/03: Gallup International Association (GIA) is releasing a new global public opinion survey conducted after the fall of Saddam Hussein™s regime in Iraq (interviews between 16 th April and 8th May) in 45 countries.
Key Findings from the survey:
Only in the USA itself, in Albania, and in UN administered Kosovo do citizens feel the world is a safer place since the recent military action (48%, 64% and 59% respectively).
Majorities in all other countries think that as a result of recent military action in Afghanistan and Iraq, the world is a more dangerous place. It is not a surprise then that in almost all countries included in the survey, majorities also disagree that the threat of terrorism has been significantly reduced by the war.
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medaura18586 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:38:38pm |
From the same poll:
Most countries agree that the US is too keen to use military force, notably highest in Russia (87%) and France (87%), But agreement is also high in Finland (81%), Switzerland (80%), Serbia (former Yugoslavia 84%) and Turkey (75%).
Highest disagreement levels are found in the USA (51%), Philippines (52%); with disagreement also in Germany (32%), Portugal (31%), Albania (37%), Malaysia (40%),Cameroon (41%) and Nigeria (46%).
...
Large majorities in all countries agree there can be no peace in the region without a settlement of the Israel/Palestine issue.
In Israel itself, seven out of ten people agree (70%). It follows that in most countries, the majority of the population does not agree that the war will result in greater peace and stability in the Middle East. The exceptions are again the USA itself, Albania and UN-administered Kosovo.
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pingjockey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:41:57pm |
re: #371 ploome hineni
Yep. Eunchstan really hates our guts, until we try to close bases over there! Then they whine like hell.
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medaura18586 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:45:19pm |
I have to say, none of this data on the attitudes of "the Muslim World" is very helpful unless compared to a "control group." The most anti-American countries in the world seem to be European, from the last data I've seen.
[Link: www.gallup.co.kr...]
It's pretty interesting...
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J.S. Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:10:32pm |
re: #367 JustABill
In your earlier post you stated: "The part that makes it [suicide bombing]unjustifiable is target selection. If they are attacking military targets as part of a recognized conflict and they choose to die, so be it." Thus, you appear to be arguing that it is acceptable that a bomber who identifies a "military" target and blows himself up (along with the target) is non-problematic. In other words, in such a situation, the "end justifies the means." Now, however, it seems you've added some additional qualifications (perfectly ok as far as i'm concerned, but I trust you'll acknowledge these added qualifications) of (I'm quoting): "targeting civilians, not wearing a uniform/hiding among civilians, murdering prisoners" which you then (correctly) identify as war crimes. I'm assuming that I've accurately summarized your thoughts here? I'm actually astounded that you'd wish to draw a comparison between someone who gives up his/her own life to save others (such as throwing oneself on a grenade) and a homicide/suicide bomber...(surely you haven't thought this one through?) Also, because I'm not interested in a lengthy debate here, I'll just note that the U.S. military/Marines didn't (don't) think too highly of a certain suicide/homicide bomber who rammed a truck loaded with explosives into a barracks in Beirut, Lebanon in 1983, murdering 241 Americans while they slept. If you figure this was an A-Ok deed in the annals of warfare, then I have nothing further to say to you. Understood?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:36:29pm |
I wonder if these types of reports make it to the president's desk, or even Clinton's?
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JustABill Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:26:08pm |
re: #378 J.S.
You are correct, I did add qualifications, hopefully clarifying my position.
The only point I was really trying to make, is that I don't mind the "Suicide"
aspect of the attack. I do like you use of "suicide/homicide". Homicide gets me a whole lot more worked up than suicide...
As far as the Marine Barracks attack. In my book it is more similar to Pearl Harbor than say 9/11. The suicide part of it does not figure much in my opinion of the attack. If the bomber had managed to rig the truck to drive straight to its target while he jumped to out safely, it would not add or detract from the act, in my opinion.
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pst314 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:31:48pm |
Note that numerous news items over the years that have reported Muslim disaffection with terrorist attacks NOT because they are inherently immoral BUT RATHER because they harm Muslims. (Either because Muslims are also killed in attacks on infidels, or because terror attacks harm the reputation of Islam.) I am waiting for a morally based repudiation of terrorism, not to mention Sharia law and the concept of dhimmitude, and so on.
(Sorry if my comment repeats something said in the previoius 378 comments.)
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J.S. Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:09:52pm |
re: #380 JustABill
One of the many (many) myths (a widespread one) about the military is that (one finds this idea promulgated by the MSM types) the goal of a military engagement is to kill the enemy -- as if killing were the ultimate goal of a military engagement. Ok? Now (I'm assuming most people posting at lgf know better, including you) with modern warfare killing is not the "objective" of warfare -- the objective is to weaken one's opponent, "The objective of combat is to reduce the enemy’s ability to wage war and thereby hasten the defeat of his political leadership". Now, if you go about with the intent of maximizing the number of deaths of your opponent -- then you are straying into the area of "war crimes." Then, you're becoming homicidal. (again, this is NOT the "goal" of any modern-day military unit.) Are you with me thus far? Now do you think that suicide/homicide bombers have similar concerns? do you think that suicide bombers act "spontaneously", on the spur of the moment -- or do you believe that they are recruited, trained, then used by their "handlers"? ie, their actions are premeditated and designed to inflict the maximum number of deaths/injuries as possible? I believe it is the latter. And, I also believe that a solid, strong case can be made that homicide/suicide bombers are committing war crimes -- even if the target is an alleged "military" one. (and it becomes even worse if the selected targets are civilians -- then, there's virtually no question in my mind that they are homicidal monsters and their crimes are way beyond the pale in terms of "warfare." There is NO excuse, and their "handlers" should be treated accordingly, ie, as war criminals.) (Finally, I will just note also that with respect to 9/11 there are any number of terrorist apologists who will insist -- through the MSM -- that the attack on the Pentagon was somehow "justified" since it was a "military target." Needless to say, I do not share that peculiar, heinous, and morally warped/execrable opinion.)
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justabill Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:36:20am |
re: #383 J.S.
Lets use two examples where the only real difference is the "Suicide" aspect.
First, a US Navy dive bomber drops a bomb on a Japanese warship in WW2, destroying it. This prevents it from being used against the US in the future. The act also kills many enemy sailors, potentially lowering enemy moral.
In the second act, a Japanese pilot rams his plane into a US Warship, destroying it. This prevents it from being used against the Empire of Japan in the future. The act also kills many enemy sailors, potentially lowering enemy moral.
Are either of these a war crime? Are they morally equivalent?
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