I'll skip it. I'm a "last-adopter."

I always wait until they work out the kinks.

When I see the word "Beta" -- that's when I reach for my revolver.

I was this close to downloading it last night, but wanted to hear others' impressions first.

...or, "unlatch the safety mechanism on my Browning," to get the quote historically accurate.

When Apple puts out a public beta it's usually pretty far along the development curve.

I've been downloading occasional nightly builds -- this new version has undergone a lot of testing.

re: #3 zombie

When I see the word "Beta" -- that's when I reach for my revolver.

That quote format is so damn great (I use it myself a lot)... it's a pity it was invented by Hermann Goering!

Tried it. I like it. But it is very slow to load the page views on the Top Sites, and some never show up. Coverflow in the "show all history" feature seems faster and more practical.

re: #6 Charles

I've been downloading occasional nightly builds

Which means...?

re: #2 zombie

Beta's only a bummer in Windows. The mac ones have all worked fine for me, and I'm not very tech-ish.

re: #5 zombie

...or, "unlatch the safety mechanism on my Browning," to get the quote historically accurate.

Huh, the things I learn here.

Sure, I'll download it. After all, what is the worst that could hap^)©!=?

Safari, So goodie!

re: #5 zombie

...or, "unlatch the safety mechanism on my Browning," to get the quote historically accurate.

And now, naturally, being a gun nut, I'm wondering which Browning he was referring to.

But you CAN set the start up choices!

Pull up the Top Sites page, and in the lower left corner, click the Edit button. Boom.

I will have to trade in my coal burning steam powered PC and get one of them darn tootin' fancy-smancy Apples you all seem to have before I can download this software.

From what I can gather safari likes it.

I've been using it for about a day and half. No major issues. Me likey!

re: #15 vxbush

But you CAN set the start up choices!

Pull up the Top Sites page, and in the lower left corner, click the Edit button. Boom.

And a follow-up: enter an address in the address bar, but do NOT hit enter to actually go to that page. Drag it down to the Top Sites page that is active, and you can choose where the page goes.

From the review:

While I think the Top Sites feature looks fantastic, and enjoy opening sites from its interface, I question its underlying philosophy. Essentially, I want more control over determining what my Top Sites are, rather than having Safari tell me.

Charles has the same complaint.

Apple is not thinking clearly on this. Most people don't WANT their "most-visited sites" to be known to everyone.

For example, some business guy, if his real-and-honest top sites were revealed in a big browser window, they would be:

Wall Street Journal
Forbes.com
Dowjones.com
Foot Fetish Spectacular
New York Times
FoxNews.com
IHaveaCrushOnAshtonKutcher.com
Engineer Quarterly
Hemmorhoids -- the Ayurvedic Solution
MarketWatch

...etc.

C'mon, Apple: You should know that peoples' "most used sites" is a closely guarded secret!

Hang on--this just in---

Obama family chooses dog

Mrs. Obama said she took some advice from Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy, who owns two Portuguese water dogs and had lobbied the first family to choose the breed. But overall, she said found the level of excitement about the family’s dog “surprising.”

Why does it strike me as ironic that Ted Kennedy would own water dogs?

You should have seen Safari 3... I am really surprised they were willing to put money into yet ANOTHER sequal... the acting was horrible.
/

re: #14 Occasional Reader

And now, naturally, being a gun nut, I'm wondering which Browning he was referring to.

I'll take one of these. My grandpa said it could chop a tree down. Sure beats an axe.

I love it when Charles gets a technical and stuff.

I was hoping when I had kids that as they got older they would be able to teach me all this computer tech stuff so I could keep up. Unfortunately in our family I'm the geek. G-d help my little family!

re: #21 dentate

Hang on--this just in---

Obama family chooses dog

Why does it strike me as ironic that Ted Kennedy would own water dogs?

Well, you never know when you'll find yourself in a river and... uh...
/

re: #9 Occasional Reader

Which means...?

You can download development versions of Safari from here:

[Link: nightly.webkit.org...]

"Nightly builds" are development versions of the software.

re: #20 zombie

From the review:

Charles has the same complaint.

See my post above on how to set which pages are loaded...

re: #26 Oh no...Sand People!

The breed is also hypoallergenic — a must, given daughter Malia’s allergy to dogs.

OK, they got a dog even though their daughter is allergic? How's that for political expediency?

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

"All the gin-joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine."

"Riiick! You've got to hide me! Do something!"

"You can dish it out, Sam, but you can't take it."

...are those enough impressions for you?

Now that's Rich. Little did I imagine you'd be showing up on this thread.

re: #7 Occasional Reader

That quote format is so damn great (I use it myself a lot)... it's a pity it was invented by Hermann Goering!

No, it's from a Nazi play by Hanns Johst:

When the Nazis achieved power in 1933, Johst wrote the play Schlageter, an expression of Nazi ideology performed on Hitler's birthday to celebrate his victory. It was a heroic biography of the proto-Nazi martyr Albert Leo Schlageter. The line "when I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun", often associated with Nazi leaders, derives from this play. The original line is slightly different: "Wenn ich Kultur höre ... entsichere ich meinen Browning," "Whenever I hear of culture... I release the safety-catch of my Browning!" (Act 1, Scene 1). It is spoken by another character in conversation with the young Schlageter. In the scene Schlageter and his wartime comrade Friedrich Thiemann are studying for a college examination, but then start disputing whether it is worthwhile doing so when the nation is not free. Thiemann argues he would prefer to fight than to study.

SCHLAGETER: Good old Fritz! (Laughing.) No paradise will entice you out of your barbed wire entanglement!
THIEMANN: That's for damned sure! Barbed wire is barbed wire! I know what I'm up against... No rose without a thorn!... And the last thing I'll stand for is ideas to get the better of me! I know that rubbish from '18..., fraternity, equality, ..., freedom..., beauty and dignity! You gotta use the right bait to hook 'em. And then, you're right in the middle of a parley and they say: Hands up! You're disarmed..., you republican voting swine! — No, let 'em keep their good distance with their whole ideological kettle of fish... I shoot with live ammunition! When I hear the word culture..., I release the safety on my Browning!"
SCHLAGETER: What a thing to say!
THIEMANN: It hits the mark! You can be sure of that.
SCHLAGETER: You've got a hair trigger. [1]

The famous line is regularly misattributed, sometimes to Hermann Göring and sometimes to Heinrich Himmler.

re: #27 Charles

You can download development versions of Safari from here:

[Link: nightly.webkit.org...]

"Nightly builds" are development versions of the software.

You can always wind up with some fun surprises in a nightly build however. Some developer checks in one little change and nothing works right anymore.

/Not that I've ever done anything like that on any project I've worked on.

re: #20 zombie

Apple is not thinking clearly on this. Most people don't WANT their "most-visited sites" to be known to everyone.

I'm already working on my "honey, I can explain" excuses.

(E.g.; I'm researching a paper on Japanese secondary school education)

re: #31 zombie

Wow.
I never knew that!
LGF + zombie = extracurricular university studies!

re: #31 zombie

I already gave you props for that upthread (with the same wiki link).

re: #33 Occasional Reader

I'm already working on my "honey, I can explain" excuses.

(E.g.; I'm researching a paper on Japanese secondary school education)

I have shown the way, and yet no one reads. *sniff*

Hopefully this signals the imminent release of Snow Leopard, which hopefully will herald the unveiling of new iMacs with quad-core chips, which means I'll soon have a new machine for the first time in four years. So tired of waiting...

re: #33 Occasional Reader

I'm already working on my "honey, I can explain" excuses.

(E.g.; I'm researching a paper on Japanese secondary school education)

"I'm taking up sewing as a hobby, and I just wanted to inspect how well-made those Japanese school uniforms are!"

re: #34 yma o hyd

Wow.
I never knew that!
LGF + zombie = extracurricular testicular... university studies!

Still shuddering over *up your alley*...shudder...shudder...

re: #35 Occasional Reader

I already gave you props for that upthread (with the same wiki link).

I just noticed that!

re: #36 vxbush

I have shown the way, and yet no one reads. *sniff*

Yes, I saw that, and saw it in the link. Of course, it means being careful and all that.

re: #9 Occasional Reader

Which means...?

At the end of the work day they compile the software incorporating all the changes made that day and post it for download.

re: #27 Charles

There are also extensions I use which will have to be tweaked in order to work again under Safari 4. For example, SafariStand.

This seems like a fairly interesting browser, I've been using it some, not to an extended amount, but so far it's pretty good. The only complaint I would have is that I can't seem to find how to allow popups from certain sites, while still blocking others. So, I guess Firefox may remain as my main browser. Ahh well.

re: #21 dentate

Hang on--this just in---

Obama family chooses dog

Why does it strike me as ironic that Ted Kennedy would own water dogs?

I was just talking about those dogs here the other day. The man I got my lab Luke from told me breeders introduced the Portuguese water dog in the lab breed years ago. Luke has a really curly back something like the PWD which is unusual in a lab. Oh and I found out these dogs have been domesticated since 700BC. I think that was a good choice for the Obamas.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #34 yma o hyd

Wow.
I never knew that!
LGF + zombie = extracurricular university studies!

Zombie University is now in session!

re: #38 zombie

"I'm taking up sewing as a hobby, and I just wanted to inspect how well-made those Japanese school uniforms are!"

Or, "zombie put this up to show us degraded, decadent San Fran culture".

Yeah, that's the ticket!

I was on safari.
One day, I shot an elephant in my pajamas.
What he was doing in my pajamas, I'll never know.
/Capt. Spaulding

No thanks. I am still recovereing from Firefox 3.0.5

re: #46 zombie

Zombie University is now in session!

That makes me want to create a logo for that...

re: #46 zombie

Zombie University is now in session!

Free to All Lizards, I would assume?

re: #29 Ford_Prefect

OK, they got a dog even though their daughter is allergic? How's that for political expediency?

The Portuguese water dogs are largely non-allergenic, like poodles.

re: #31 zombie

So "entsichere" means "to release the safety catch of"... damn, that is one compact language!

re: #46 zombie

Zombie University is now in session!

As long as we don't have to hand in essays by next week, I'm all for it!

:-)

re: #52 Kosh's Shadow

The Portuguese water dogs are largely non-allergenic, like poodles.

Or Labradoodles (so I'm told).

Charles, Market down again! Time for a Financial Crisis thread again, no?

re: #52 Kosh's Shadow

The Portuguese water dogs are largely non-allergenic, like poodles.

And certain terriers.

re: #46 zombie

Zombie University is now in session!

You have a PhD in 'mob mentality' and 'photography'.

But are you accredited?
/

re: #21 dentate

Hang on--this just in---

Obama family chooses dog

Why does it strike me as ironic that Ted Kennedy would own water dogs?

21,000 breeds of AMERICAN Dogs, and they pick a Portugese model!

// (well , a little)

I downloaded it right after it appeared on CNET yesterday. Very nice! Looking at your history with Cover Flow is wicked cool, but I'm still getting used to the tabs being at the top of the window versus the top of the page field: I keep switching tabs when I grab the window to move it.

Haven't had to report a single bug yet, and I'm still on the original boot up of it.

re: #56 Occasional Reader

Or Labradoodles (so I'm told).

Labradoodles are pretty huge, and they need to be clipped ever so often.
Sweet dogs, though.

re: #53 buzzsawmonkey

"Portuguese water dog?"

Pretty fancy name to disguise that, given the chance, they all drink from the toilet.

I like to think of it as "If I could lick myself, I'd drink from the toilet too!"
///

re: #56 Occasional Reader

Or Labradoodles (so I'm told).

Ran across a boxer/lab mix on one of our walks the other day, talk about a cool dog.

re: #41 Occasional Reader

Yes, I saw that, and saw it in the link. Of course, it means being careful and all that.

Well, everyone's complaining about not being able to do this, and in fact you can. Of course, you should already be careful on the internet, or else you type in a main site incorrectly and then you invariably end up at a pr0n site.

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

California is a veritable garden of unaccredited universities.

Oh, my, but that's an understatement!

re: #66 turn

Ran across a boxer/lab mix on one of our walks the other day, talk about a cool dog.

I saw an English, Dutch, Irish, Welsh, Swedish, and Native American mix the other day...in the mirror...way cool dude. Yes. Yes I am.
/

re: #62 Hucbald

I downloaded it right after it appeared on CNET yesterday. Very nice! Looking at your history with Cover Flow is wicked cool, but I'm still getting used to the tabs being at the top of the window versus the top of the page field: I keep switching tabs when I grab the window to move it.

Haven't had to report a single bug yet, and I'm still on the original boot up of it.

Wah, I'm so out of the loop. Is this English you are speaking? Now I know how my grandma felt whenever I tried to explain how to program the tv remote.

re: #63 yma o hyd

Labradoodles are pretty huge, and they need to be clipped ever so often.

I hope you don't mean that in the Mafia sense of the word.

/

CNET reports Safari 4 is 42 times faster than IE7.

re: #68 Dianna

Let's see...Universidad de La Raza, Universidad de la MS13...

/bastards

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

I saw a Lab/dachshund mix today. Dachshund body, mini-Lab head, dead black fur. Beautiful.

Aahhh!

re: #67 vxbush

Well, everyone's complaining about not being able to do this, and in fact you can. Of course, you should already be careful on the internet, or else you type in a main site incorrectly and then you invariably end up at a pr0n site.

Hey vx, you got the number for that prOn site? Biden, what a doofus.

re: #57 acwgusa

Charles, Market down again! Time for a Financial Crisis thread again, no?

Off 80 today.

re: #9 Occasional Reader
I've been downloading occasional nightly builds

Which means...?

He'll never get a security clearance.

re: #62 Hucbald

I downloaded it right after it appeared on CNET yesterday. Very nice! Looking at your history with Cover Flow is wicked cool, but I'm still getting used to the tabs being at the top of the window versus the top of the page field: I keep switching tabs when I grab the window to move it.

Haven't had to report a single bug yet, and I'm still on the original boot up of it.

If you want to, you can change that so tabs show up as they did in Safari 3.

Read how here.

Let us not forget the Bulldog-Shitzu mixes

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

I saw a Lab/dachshund mix today. Dachshund body, mini-Lab head, dead black fur. Beautiful.

Reminds me of my old girlfriend, who was melancholy.

She had a head like a melon, and a face like a collie.

/

re: #72 Occasional Reader

I hope you don't mean that in the Mafia sense of the word.

/

Teeheehee!
Naw - its just a poodle thing!

re: #77 debutaunt

Off 80 today.

My IRA cries!

/Oh, and if they float that seizure of private IRA's and 401(k)s again, so help me.

re: #53 buzzsawmonkey

Indeed.

re: #76 turn

Hey vx, you got the number for that prOn site? Biden, what a doofus.

My jaw just kind of hung open when I heard about that. Of course, I just met with a hardware rep and I said something about testing a piece of software to see if it could handle working across a subnet, and his eyes just glazed over, big time.

re: #81 Occasional Reader

Reminds me of my old girlfriend, who was melancholy.

She had a head like a melon, and a face like a collie.

/

Her?

re: #81 Occasional Reader

At least she wasn't a "butterface".

(Nice body, butterface...)

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

I saw a Lab/dachshund mix today. Dachshund body, mini-Lab head, dead black fur. Beautiful.

Wow, that would be a site. Boxers and Labs, I can't think of two better dogs to get along with family and kids. Luke and he really hit it off.

re: #88 hans ze beeman

AAACK. The math geek is here. Everyone behave.

re: #73 Izzy Dunne

CNET reports Safari 4 is 42 times faster than IE7.

Day-um!

Okay, I guess I'm willing to buy that for a dollar. I mean, for nothing.

re: #81 Occasional Reader

Reminds me of my old girlfriend, who was melancholy.

She had a head like a melon, and a face like a collie.

/

Collies have beautiful faces ...

re: #73 Izzy Dunne

CNET reports Safari 4 is 42 times faster than IE7.

Charles, that merits an update.

Has this thread gone to the dogs already?

re: #70 Oh no...Sand People!

I saw an English, Dutch, Irish, Welsh, Swedish, and Native American mix the other day...in the mirror...way cool dude. Yes. Yes I am.
/

Heinze 47 you are, me too.

re: #82 yma o hyd

Teeheehee!
Naw - its just a poodle thing!

Good. Because we've never had to "clip" any animal yet, except for one pig (he threatened to squeal).

re: #88 hans ze beeman

Her?

No collie ever had a face like that!

re: #95 godfrey

WOOF? Wooof woofy woof bark bark!

re: #94 zombie

Charles, that merits an update.

If he's updating, he can add my tip about how to specify which sites to list. And how to set the tabs back to the version 3 way.

re: #95 godfrey

Has this thread gone to the dogs already?

Just taking a paws from the tech talk...

re: #91 WriterMom

AAACK. The math geek is here. Everyone behavebee-hive.

Fixed that for you

re: #103 hans ze beeman

HA!

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Let us not forget the Bulldog-Shitzu mixes

Now that's a dog for politicians.

re: #91 WriterMom

AAACK. The math geek is here. Everyone behave.

But I don't have my ruler with me today.

re: #98 yma o hyd

No collie ever had a face like that!

You've seen all? The eyes are colliesque, however

re: #97 Occasional Reader

Good. Because we've never had to "clip" any animal yet, except for one pig (he threatened to squeal).

Cripes - good old English language, always good for an elegant misunderstanding!

re: #101 buzzsawmonkey

I like Shar-Peis. And their Shar-Pei Image catalog is pretty good, too.

I prefer shopping at Bed, Basset, and Beyond.

I'm having Inbox Anxiety. I keep looking at the same messages over and over. I don't want to deal with anything.

re: #87 vxbush

My jaw just kind of hung open when I heard about that. Of course, I just met with a hardware rep and I said something about testing a piece of software to see if it could handle working across a subnet, and his eyes just glazed over, big time.

My eyes glaze over talking about poooters too. Gave up trying to keep up with the technology way back in the IRQ days.

re: #109 Occasional Reader

I prefer shopping at Bed, Basset, and Beyond.

I shop exclusively at American Beagle

I used Safari when I got my Macbook, but then later switched to FireFox. Haven't look back since.

The Safari browser on my iPod Touch is OK, but GF takes a while to load. It goes about 3/4 of the way then hangs.

re: #110 WriterMom

I've been there. The best remedy is to fire up your browser and start LGF'in.

I had to get away from that previous thread. The freakin bazouki player was driving me nuts.

re: #110 WriterMom

I'm having Inbox Anxiety.

Sounds terribly Freudian.

re: #112 redheadredstate

I shop exclusively at American Beagle

Well, I got my sheep dog from Lamb's End.

re: #109 Occasional Reader

And here I thought it was Beds, Butts and Beyond...

re: #116 Occasional Reader

LOL. I don't have that kind of plumbing.

re: #116 Occasional Reader

Well, if she's using "Safari," that has "totem and taboo" written all over it.

re: #107 hans ze beeman

You've seen all? The eyes are colliesque, however

Heh. I've seen more collies than you could shake your slide-ruler at.

Nope - these're not collie eyes, check my av!

re: #114 godfrey

Just what the doctor ordered! More goof off time!

YAYAYAYAYYAYAYAAY

re: #111 turn

My eyes glaze over talking about poooters too. Gave up trying to keep up with the technology way back in the IRQ days.

I went to a meeting today (before the hardware rep meeting) and a different guy was talking about servers and what they're doing now. The fundamental technology under the hood has changed a little, but the marketing speak has proliferated to the point where you need a marketing dictionary. Oy.

re: #110 WriterMom

I'm having Inbox Anxiety. I keep looking at the same messages over and over. I don't want to deal with anything.

Highlight all messages and hit the big X button, that always works for turn.

We mastiff done something to deserve a dog pun thread.

WriterMom

This is what I have to deal with:

Elle témoigne d’un intérêt marqué pour l’inter-disciplinarité et se situe, d’un point de vue épistémologique, aux carrefours de l’anthropologie politique, de la sémiologie, de l’histoire des idées dans un domaine particulier qui est celui de la sinologie.

Hence, I am here.

re: #118 Macker

And here I thought it was Beds, Butts and Beyond...

No, that turned out to be a movie I rented one time.

re: #115 Killer Tomato

I had to get away from that previous thread. The freakin bazouki player was driving me nuts.

"Shut that bloody thing up!"

Yeah I was pumped up about the new version as well, I use a windows machine. I do run Safari 3 but the new version crashes on launch. Trying to find the problem aside from being on a windows machine.

re: #126 godfrey

zzz

Sorry, did you say something?

:P

re: #15 vxbush

But you CAN set the start up choices!

Pull up the Top Sites page, and in the lower left corner, click the Edit button. Boom.

Yeah, but it doesn't let you specify which sites go in which slots; it selects them out of the history.

re: #124 turn

Great idea! I'll just have to also pack up all my stuff in a little shoebox on my way out, but that won't take long.

re: #125 Occasional Reader

We mastiff done something to deserve a dog pun thread.

Bulldogging your way through tech speak will do that ...

I posted this in the links section -

May as well post it here, as well -

How to Get a Kindle on the Cheap

[Link: www.smartmoney.com...]

re: #121 yma o hyd

Heh. I've seen more collies than you could shake your slide-ruler at.

Nope - these're not collie eyes, check my av!

My Border Collie used to freak out several of my friends..."You're dog is staring at me again!" Their gaze is so penetrating and hypnotizing. But their intensity stare (as when waiting for me to toss frisbee) can rattle the most cool and collected.

whoa!...speedy to say the least

re: #123 vxbush

Recently I had the terrifying experience of talking to some CFO's who must've tossed their Strunk & White's into the trashbin decades ago. No sentence had fewer than ten nominalizations and at least six subordinate clauses. I had to transliterate their words in my head, and the terrifying thing was that they were saying excruciatingly banal, obvious things. It sure sounded good, but it was 86.5% filler.

re: #131 Charles

Yeah, but it doesn't let you specify which sites go in which slots; it selects them out of the history.

In time, I'm sure they'll allow users to define their "favorite sites" page in the same manner as the Top Sites are now.

And now my little house wolf, my pocket collie, tells me its time for her to visit the back garden, like, right now!

Seeya tomorrow, all being well.

re: #135 buzzsawmonkey

What have you got against Bouzouki Joe and his pals?

Without googling (or equivalent) describe the origin of the word "bazooka".

re: #131 Charles

Yeah, but it doesn't let you specify which sites go in which slots; it selects them out of the history.

See my second posting...#19. It allows you to specify which your current selection goes. The pages do re-arrange, so you have to be careful how to build up the page of sites. Probably you need to delete a bunch and then start building from the top down, adding in links one by one until you have the entire page of sites set up.

Update to the article to reflect this, please?

re: #123 vxbush

I went to a meeting today (before the hardware rep meeting) and a different guy was talking about servers and what they're doing now. The fundamental technology under the hood has changed a little, but the marketing speak has proliferated to the point where you need a marketing dictionary. Oy.

I happened to stay in a hotel a few weeks ago where they were having some sort of networking convention. I overheard a young guy talking on his cell phone and I couldn't understand a single word he was saying, I can believe you.

I will admit safari has gotten much better but I will stick with FF for the time being.

Hey, what happened to accesskeys?

Amazon Kindling looks like a waste of money

re: #136 Russkilitlover

But their intensity stare (as when waiting for me to toss frisbee) can rattle the most cool and collected.

But I've found that that "rattling" stare effect is completely broken when you say "hi" to them, and they promptly sprawl on their backs, thump their tails, and beg to be petted.

re: #136 Russkilitlover

My Border Collie used to freak out several of my friends..."You're dog is staring at me again!" Their gaze is so penetrating and hypnotizing. But their intensity stare (as when waiting for me to toss frisbee) can rattle the most cool and collected.

Gotta answer this quickly (or else!): yep, the 'Collie stare' is famous. They use it to subdue the sheep they herd.
Works very well on humans, very well indeed!
Now I'm really outta here (being given the Collie stare for the last few minutes!)

CNET UK has run the numbers, and Safari 4 is now the fastest browser on the planet: Safari 4 benchmarked: 42x faster than IE 7, 3.5x faster than Firefox 3.

LOL. Poor Microsoft.

I run Firefox and my connection is fast enough that three-and-a-half times faster doesn't usually mean much. But I'll grab the upgrade since I also have Safari, and some applications open it by default. (Never could be bothered to customize all of them.)

Memento homo, quia pulvis es, et in pulverem reverteris.

re: #132 WriterMom

Ha! Don't let the door hit you on the way out :.)

re: #138 godfrey

Recently I had the terrifying experience of talking to some CFO's who must've tossed their Strunk & White's into the trashbin decades ago. No sentence had fewer than ten nominalizations and at least six subordinate clauses. I had to transliterate their words in my head, and the terrifying thing was that they were saying excruciatingly banal, obvious things. It sure sounded good, but it was 86.5% filler.

My worst experience with this: hubby had a book where the first page had a sentence that covered 12 lines of text. When you removed all the extraneous clauses and adjectives, the whole sentence boiled down to two words.

Blah.

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

Not a clue.

LOL u suk!

/

(Musical instrument invented by an American jazz musician in the 30s; the antitank weapon was so named because of a resemblance to it.)

Favorite post regarding the Kindle: XKCD

re: #46 zombie

Zombie University is now in session!

Are you going to be sending recruiting materials to my daughter?

Are colleges/universities having a hard time these days getting students?

I figured we'd get stuff from Louisiana and Mississippi area places, but she's getting stuff from all over the place - 21 thus far.

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

Son of Double Bubble...?

re: #152 vxbush

My worst experience with this: hubby had a book where the first page had a sentence that covered 12 lines of text. When you removed all the extraneous clauses and adjectives, the whole sentence boiled down to two words.

Blah.

But, but...I love Faulkner!

;-)

Kindling get it? Oh you guys suck.

re: #145 Charles

Hey, what happened to accesskeys?

Have they moved into the System Preferences > Keyboard and Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts? Or are you talking about something else?

re: #145 Charles

Hey, what happened to accesskeys?

Accessia Keys? Didn't she win a Grammy or something?

re: #126 godfrey

WriterMom

This is what I have to deal with:

Hence, I am here.

That sounds like salamantis.

re: #160 Occasional Reader

Is Charles telling lizardettes they need to accessorize?

re: #147 Peacekeeper

You are always trying to stir things up, aren't you?

re: #136 Russkilitlover

My Border Collie used to freak out several of my friends..."You're dog is staring at me again!" Their gaze is so penetrating and hypnotizing. But their intensity stare (as when waiting for me to toss frisbee) can rattle the most cool and collected.

Turnwife's sister raises Kelpies, talk about a dog with "eye". Oh, and they climb trees too.

re: #155 reine.de.tout

Are you going to be sending recruiting materials to my daughter?

Are colleges/universities having a hard time these days getting students?

I figured we'd get stuff from Louisiana and Mississippi area places, but she's getting stuff from all over the place - 21 thus far.

Times must have changed. I was not contacted by a single college or university when I graduated from high school. (Not that I could have afforded any of them anyway.) And I had a sufficient academic record to get into any school in the country. I just chose the cheapest one I could find!

re: #153 Occasional Reader

LOL u suk!

/

(Musical instrument invented by an American jazz musician in the 30s; the antitank weapon was so named because of a resemblance to it.)

Now, for extra (or remedial) credit; where did the word "jeep" come from.

I love Firefox because of all the great add-on's. Just added Foxmarks yesterday. It synchronizes bookmarks between all your computers no matter where they are. I'm running maybe 10 enhancements so far.

re: #148 Occasional Reader

But I've found that that "rattling" stare effect is completely broken when you say "hi" to them, and they promptly sprawl on their backs, thump their tails, and beg to be petted.

Actually, nothing would break my dog's rattling stare if he was waiting for another frisbee toss. Other dogs would come up to him to say "hi" and he'd just maneuver away from them and keep poised for the toss. Most. Intense. Dog. Ever.

re: #163 godfrey

He wouldn't! That remains the exclusive territory of me and zulubaby-no matter where she is!

Kelpie? Those would be water dogs, yes?

Godfrey: A tuna is caught in the kelp offshore! After him, Kelpie!
Kelpie: BARK BARK!
Godfrey: Good boy!

re: #164 WriterMom

You are always trying to stir things up, aren't you?

You know I love it when you ding me.

I use Safari and FireFox. Safari about 99% of the time, but FireFox is better for pr0n certain sites. For some reason, Safari has been having a hard time with my SmugMug account since the last update, and v4.0beta has the same issues.

re: #166 zombie

Times must have changed. I was not contacted by a single college or university when I graduated from high school. (Not that I could have afforded any of them anyway.) And I had a sufficient academic record to get into any school in the country. I just chose the cheapest one I could find!

Well, that was my experience too.
That's why I've been surprised to see what's coming her way.

re: #167 Occasional Reader

Now, for extra (or remedial) credit; where did the word "jeep" come from.

Roadrunner? Jeep! Jeep!

re: #167 Occasional Reader

Now, for extra (or remedial) credit; where did the word "jeep" come from.

That's easy: General Purpose vehicle..

re: #173 Peacekeeper

Is it getting hot in here?

re: #172 buzzsawmonkey

Probably the character in Segar's "Thimble Theatre" (i.e., Popeye) strip.

Correctimundo.

OT

Just heard about the Obama watermelon patch story. Personally I think it is a funny picture. This calling people racists business is beginning to look like the Salem Witch Hunt trials.

Whitehouse watermelon patch

re: #175 taxfreekiller

RICO ees not so suave anymore, amigos!

re: #180 Occasional Reader

FONZIE!

re: #172 buzzsawmonkey

Probably the character in Segar's "Thimble Theatre" (i.e., Popeye) strip.

Some government acronym from GEAP or the like ?

re: #178 zombie

That's easy: General Purpose vehicle..

Discredited theory, if I'm not mistaken. It was never so designated.

Never had the occassion to use Safari, but I have used both FireFox and IE. After having used FireFox at home for several months now, I cannot say that I am a fan of IE. Haven't seen a site yet that FireFox can't handle, and handle with ease and speed.

re: #152 vxbush

My worst experience with this: hubby had a book where the first page had a sentence that covered 12 lines of text. When you removed all the extraneous clauses and adjectives, the whole sentence boiled down to two words.

Blah.

I take it you don't enjoy reading people like, say, Gibbon?

re: #171 godfrey

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #185 Occasional Reader

Discredited theory, if I'm not mistaken. It was never so designated.

According to the dictionary, both the General Purpose theory and the Popeye theory are listed:

1935–40, Americanism; alter. of G.P. (for General Purpose) Vehicle, or special use of Eugene the Jeep, name of fabulous animal in comic strip “Popeye” by E. C. Segar

re: #159 vxbush

Have they moved into the System Preferences > Keyboard and Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts? Or are you talking about something else?

No, this is something in the HTML that lets you set a key that works with Control as a hot key for the item. Like this, for our search form at top left:

<input type="text" name="searchString" id="searchString" class="stxt exam" title="Search LGF..." accesskey="S">

re: #181 Afrocity

OT

Just heard about the Obama watermelon patch story. Personally I think it is a funny picture. This calling people racists business is beginning to look like the Salem Witch Hunt trials.

Whitehouse watermelon patch

It is racist, and hope anyone could see that.

re: #187 Cato the Elder

I take it you don't enjoy reading people like, say, Gibbon?

No. And I don't enjoy professors who talk that way, either. I have a coworker who has this annoying habit of repeating what he says two or three ways and always adding in all sorts of excessive adjectives. I just want to have a red pen that I can use to edit his words as they leave his mouth.

re: #166 zombie

Times must have changed. I was not contacted by a single college or university when I graduated from high school. (Not that I could have afforded any of them anyway.) And I had a sufficient academic record to get into any school in the country. I just chose the cheapest one I could find!

I actually was contacted by West Point. Apparently, they can admit some students without a congressional nomination.
I was flattered.

re: #187 Cato the Elder

I take it you don't enjoy reading people like, say, Gibbon?

How can anyone not enjoy Gibbon? If nothing else, read for the footnotes!

re: #192 Iron Fist

IIRC, Kennedy's dog is named "Splash". Classy man, that Kennedy.

Did he name the dog after his car?
/Bad Kosh

That accesskey feature worked fine in v3. In fact, it still works for the formatting buttons in this comment form. Hmm. What changed? Not my code.

re: #189 taxfreekiller

I'm in the South right at the start of the Delta, and we've had more than a few Mexican ' enforcers' arrested up here who were sent to either silence federal witnesses or retaliate against local dealers they thought had cheated them. It's not just in Mexico anymore.

JEEP
Jews Earn Every Penny
Source: Al Jazeera.

re: #196 Dianna

Footnotes are candid snark territory. For that reason alone, I always read them first. There's time enough for content later.

re: #187 Cato the Elder

I take it you don't enjoy reading people like, say, Gibbon?

Well, I like Gibbon. My favorite work of his is Planet of the Apes.

;-)

re: #21 dentate

I hope they have exercisers standing by... those Porties are really high energy animals that require lots of letting off steam. A walk or two with the girls is not going to get it.

Off topic but, whats up with Debbie Schluseel hatred of Palin. [Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]
Don't get me wrong I don't see Palin as a messiah and I am not afraid to criticize her but to hate her blindly is a little over the top. Plus to think that Jindal would win the 2012 election while failing to knowledge his radical stance on I.D (which the liberals will use as anti-science and he will lose because of it!) is naive.

re: #202 subsailor68

Well, I like Gibbon. My favorite work of his is Planet of the Apes.

;-)

I like the song in that movie, "Gorilla my dreams"

Gibbon's Decline and Fall with footnotes.

re: #195 Kosh's Shadow

I actually was contacted by West Point. Apparently, they can admit some students without a congressional nomination.
I was flattered.

My question is: How in the world do these colleges know that graduating students even exist? Sppoky to think one's name can be in invasive databases, even at such a young age. Luckily for me, I think I fell through the cracks. I never was in a database. I doubt even the federal government knows I exist!

re: #191 Charles

No, this is something in the HTML that lets you set a key that works with Control as a hot key for the item. Like this, for our search form at top left:

<input type="text" name="searchString" id="searchString" class="stxt exam" title="Search LGF..." accesskey="S">

Ah. I have no idea. There is a page that lists all the defaults written to the systems database, but I doubt it would have anything for accesskeys. A quick search of the page shows nothing.

re: #190 zombie

According to the dictionary,

Not "the" dictionary... "a" dictionary, a free online one... take with grain of salt!

Now, turning to a real dictionary (the OED)... well, dang. They kind of split the baby:

[f. the initials G.P. (di pi) ‘general purpose’, prob. influenced by the name ‘Eugene the Jeep’, a creature of amazing resource and power, first introduced into the cartoon strip ‘Popeye’ on 16 March 1936 by his creator E. C. Segar.]

re: #201 godfrey

Footnotes are candid snark territory. For that reason alone, I always read them first. There's time enough for content later.

In academic prose, it's where the cut-and-thrust really takes place. There's just nothing like reading the words, "Pace Professor so-and-so" and knowing you are reading what the writer believes to be a death-blow.

re: #207 zombie

I never was in a database. I doubt even the federal government knows I exist!

You can't check "Undead" on your tax return?

re: #210 Dianna

Oy vey. The words 'academic cut and thrust' just make me shudder.

re: #193 avanti

It is racist, and hope anyone could see that.

I agree.

re: #207 zombie

My question is: How in the world do these colleges know that graduating students even exist? Sppoky to think one's name can be in invasive databases, even at such a young age. Luckily for me, I think I fell through the cracks. I never was in a database. I doubt even the federal government knows I exist!

I believe it was from the SATs or PSATs, the College Board sells names. I could have checked a box asking them not to, but didn't mind.

And I believe the government is interested in the living and dead (if they can vote in Illinois) but not the undead.

re: #194 vxbush

No. And I don't enjoy professors who talk that way, either. I have a coworker who has this annoying habit of repeating what he says two or three ways and always adding in all sorts of excessive adjectives. I just want to have a red pen that I can use to edit his words as they leave his mouth.

Well, de gustibus non est dispudandum, as they say.

Gibbon does not repeat himself. That is slander. Gibbon does not repeat himself.

He's the opposite of Hemingway, and of Strunk and White, but then Strunk and White make a fetish out of avoiding the passive voice, for instance. I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone named "Strunk" tell me what voice to use!

;^)

re: #212 WriterMom

Oy vey. The words 'academic cut and thrust' just make me shudder.

I understand.

re: #193 avanti

It's also juvenile, inappropriate, and totally uncalled for.

re: #209 Occasional Reader

[f. the initials G.P. (di pi) ‘general purpose’, prob. influenced by the name ‘Eugene the Jeep’, a creature of amazing resource and power, first introduced into the cartoon strip ‘Popeye’ on 16 March 1936 by his creator E. C. Segar

Ah HA! The OED says the origin of the word Jeep was originally from General Purpose, but was influenced by Popeye.

Zombie University remains in session!

re: #207 zombie

I never was in a database. I doubt even the federal government knows I exist!

Um... if you've never filed a federal tax return... well, how shall I put this delicately...

Back on topic: Some of my pages on the top sites page have a blue star in the upper right corner. Is that indicating that it's a favorite that I've manually placed? I think so, but I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing this behavior.

The name "Safari" is clearly offensive and is obviously intended as a slur on Obama.

/

Must go all. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening!

re: #219 Occasional Reader

Um... if you've never filed a federal tax return... well, how shall I put this delicately...

We should look forward to reading zombie's notes from the underground?

re: #220 vxbush

Back on topic: Some of my pages on the top sites page have a blue star in the upper right corner. Is that indicating that it's a favorite that I've manually placed? I think so, but I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing this behavior.

They have stars on thars?

/paging Dr. Suess to the mental ward

Works like a charm on LGF and all other sites, except for stupid Yahoo mail, which doesn't let you switch between accounts on Safari.
Like the cover flow and topsites features.
thanks for the link, Charles

re: #223 Dianna

We should look forward to reading zombie's notes from the underground?

die Unterbus.

re: #215 Cato the Elder

Well, de gustibus non est dispudandum, as they say.

Gibbon does not repeat himself. That is slander. Gibbon does not repeat himself.

He's the opposite of Hemingway, and of Strunk and White, but then Strunk and White make a fetish out of avoiding the passive voice, for instance. I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone named "Strunk" tell me what voice to use!

;^)

There is a place for the passive voice, and in verbal communication it happens as a result of the lips trying to catch up to where the brain is. But I get really annoyed with people who just love to hear themselves talk and want to impress you with their erudite language.

re: #215 Cato the Elder

Some people make the subordinate clause worth it.

My pet peeve is academics who use "sort of" to qualify anything and everything.

re: #218 zombie

Ah HA! The OED says the origin of the word Jeep was originally from General Purpose, but was influenced by Popeye.

Zombie University remains in session!

What do those limey bastards know, anyway?

The lack of extensions make this browser not even better then the competition. Usually when you release something, you would like it to be better then what is available. Safari fails with this release by not letting developers develop extensions like you can with Firefox.

And if you don't know what extensions are for browsers then you are missing out. I know Charles uses the web developer extension for Firefox! I just know it! You won't get that with Safari, Charles. Sorry!

re: #207 zombie

When you take the ACT/SAT's, you put several choices of university or college down to receive the scores.

re: #214 Kosh's Shadow

I believe it was from the SATs or PSATs, the College Board sells names. I could have checked a box asking them not to, but didn't mind.

Huh. I probably checked that box. That'd be just like me.

I found out years and years after the fact that the top schools would have given free tuition to people like me. Sigh. C'est la vie.

Just installed it. I like the shiny user interface.

re: #229 Occasional Reader

What about "jeepers"?

re: #228 godfrey

Some people make the subordinate clause worth it.

LOL.

re: #232 zombie

Huh. I probably checked that box. That'd be just like me.

I found out years and years after the fact that the top schools would have given free tuition to people like me. Sigh. C'est la vie.

Zombie entitlements!?

re: #232 zombie

zombfirmative action?

re: #237 pink freud

Ha GMTA

re: #219 Occasional Reader

Um... if you've never filed a federal tax return... well, how shall I put this delicately...

I've filed a tax return, but never once have I even been contacted by the government for any reason. For all I know, my tax returns go straight into a big shredding machine at the post office.

3.5 x faster than what I'm using now...that's an offer I can't refuse.

re: #194 vxbush

Proust you should probably avoid, then, too:

Those high white curtains which hid from the eyes the bed placed as if in the rear of a sanctuary; the scattering of light silk counterpanes, of quilts with flowers, of embroidered bedspreads, of linen pillowcases, this scattering under which it disappeared in the daytime, as an altar in the month of Mary under festoons and flowers, and which, in the evening, in order to go to bed, I would place cautiously on an armchair where they consented to spend the night; by the bed, the trinity of the glass with blue patterns, the matching sugar bowl, and the decanter (always empty, since the day after my arrival, by order of my aunt who was afraid to see it "spill"), these instruments, as it were, of the cult-almost as sacred as the precious orange blossom liqueur placed near them in a glass phial-,which I would no more have thought of profaning nor even of possibly using for myself than if they had been consecrated ciboria, but which I would examine a long time before undressing, for fear of upsetting them by a false motion; those little crocheted open-work stoles which threw on the backs of the armchair a mantel of white roses that must not have been without thorns since every time I was through reading and wanted to I noticed I remained caught in them; that glass bell on which, isolated from vulgar contacts, the clock was babbling privately for shells come from far away and for an old sentimental flower, but which was so heavy to lift that when the clock stopped, nobody but the clock-maker would have been foolhardy enough to undertake to wind it up; that very white guipure tablecloth which, thrown as an altar runner across the chest of drawers adorned with two vases, a picture of the Savior, and a twig of blessed boxwood made it resemble the Lord's Table (of which a priedieu, placed there every day, when the room war "done," finished evoking the idea), but whose frayings always catching in the chinks of the drawers stopped their movement so completely that I could never take out a handkerchief without at once knocking down the picture of the Savior, the sacred vases, the twig of blessed boxwood, and without stumbling and catching hold of the priedieu; finally, that triple layer of little bolting-cloth curtains, of large muslin curtains, and of larger dimity curtains always smiling in their often sunny hawthorn whiteness, but in reality very irritating in their awkwardness and stubbornness in playing around the parallel wooden bars and tangling in one another and getting all in the window as soon as I wanted to open or close it, -a second one being always ready if I succeeded in extricating the first to come to take its place immediately in the cracks as perfectly plugged by them as they would have been by a real hawthorn bush or by nests of swallows that might have had the fancy to settle there, so that this operation, in appearance so simple, of opening or closing my window, I never succeeded in doing without the help of someone in the house; all those things which not only could not answer any of my needs, but were even an impediment however slight, to their satisfaction, which evidently had never been placed there for someone's use, peopled my room with thoughts somehow personal, with that air of predilection, of having chosen to live there and delighting in it, which, often the trees in a clearing and the flowers on the road side or on old walls have.

I find it hypnotic, beautiful, un-put-downable. But to each his own.

However, if you can find one useless word there, I'll buy you a drink!

re: #232 zombie

Huh. I probably checked that box. That'd be just like me.

I found out years and years after the fact that the top schools would have given free tuition to people like me. Sigh. C'est la vie.

In my case, I had the grades, but I had a grandmother that I just could not leave to the winds. I felt like I had to stay with her and go to a local commuter school. I just didn't want to leave her alone with no one to help her.

re: #235 WriterMom

Footnotes are also places for making pals. Here is Gibbon in Vol. I (linked to above):

Footnote 51: In particular, the first book of the Tusculan Questions, and the treatise De Senectute, and the Somnium Scipionis, contain, in the most beautiful language, every thing that Grecian philosophy, on Roman good sense, could possibly suggest on this dark but important object.

You see? If you read footnotes first, the act of reading becomes an exciting mystery.

re: #217 godfrey

It's also juvenile, inappropriate, and totally uncalled for.

Some may not be aware the watermelon/black connection was the origin of the racist picaninny caricatures from many years ago.

re: #231 tradewind

When you take the ACT/SAT's, you put several choices of university or college down to receive the scores.

They must have instituted that after I took them. I never wrote down my choice of schools.

re: #217 godfrey

It's also juvenile, inappropriate, and totally uncalled for.

Agreed.

re: #233 Fat Jolly Penguin

Well, I'm using Safari to post this comment. I like it a lot more than I did version 3.0.

re: #242 Cato the Elder

Proust you should probably avoid, then, too:

I find it hypnotic, beautiful, un-put-downable. But to each his own.

However, if you can find one useless word there, I'll buy you a drink!

I think my brains just fell out of the back of my head into a slimey congealed mass. That kind of prose just puts me to sleep.

re: #238 WriterMom

zombfirmative action?

re: #237 pink freud

Zombie entitlements!?

No, quite the opposite: I mean people with perfect scores and zero money.

re: #193 avanti

It is racist, and hope anyone could see that.

It didn't bother me. I don't find it any different from the pictures of cows and horses around the White House when Bush was in office. I didn't here about the picture until a colleague of mine who is black told me it was just on MSNBC. Then they brought up the monkey cartoon and said that was racist too which I don't think so. It is a political cartoon.

Then again I was told I was a traitor to other blacks by those who supported Obama, so maybe my race-dar is off.

re: #251 zombie

No, quite the opposite: I mean people with perfect scores and zero money.

I had teachers that will attest to the fact that I was a PERFECT ZERO in school! Does that count ?

re: #251 zombie

You're my hero, Zombie. I admire the heck out of you, and now ...even more.

re: #251 zombie

No, quite the opposite: I mean people with perfect scores and zero money.

Ah. No perfect scores for me.

One question, Charles: Would it be worth it for someone with a Windows OS to get Safari, or is it really an advantage just if you're running a Mac OS?

re: #246 zombie

They must have instituted that after I took them. I never wrote down my choice of schools.

I suspect I'm older than you, and I received bagloads of college brochures after getting my PSAT scores. So even back in the Dark Ages, there must have been some system for doing this.

Ah, Proust. The nineteenth century's precursor to Ambien.

(kidding)

Cato the Elder, then you must like late Henry James? Here is a famously fastidious opening:

She waited, Kate Croy, for her father to come in, but he kept her unconscionably, and there were moments at which she showed herself, in the glass over the mantel, a face positively pale with the irritation that had brought her to the point of going away without sight of him.

re: #251 zombie

No, quite the opposite: I mean people with perfect scores and zero money.

You had perfect SAT scores?! 800 + 800?

re: #227 vxbush

There is a place for the passive voice, and in verbal communication it happens as a result of the lips trying to catch up to where the brain is. But I get really annoyed with people who just love to hear themselves talk and want to impress you with their erudite language.

All communication by words is verbal. ;^)

People who love to hear themselves talk and people who can write a meaningful periodic sentence are two different kinds of animal.

re: #243 vxbush

In my case, I had the grades, but I had a grandmother that I just could not leave to the winds. I felt like I had to stay with her and go to a local commuter school. I just didn't want to leave her alone with no one to help her.

That's a good reason not to go anywhere. Me, I didn't have one red cent to go anywhere. Luckily, my "local school" just happened to have a world-class reputation.

re: #228 godfrey

Some people make the subordinate clause worth it.

My pet peeve is academics who use "sort of" to qualify anything and everything.

Not very good "academics", are they? "Sort of" is the long version of "like".

re: #201 godfrey

You must looove David Foster Wallace. He took footnotes to a literary art form. Try his "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again."

re: #247 Iron Fist

If that's the worst thing Obama faces, then I'd say he's in for a pretty sedate Presidency. By this time into Bush's first term, liberals were posting "Sniper's Wanted" signs with his face on it.

I don't expect that we will see that done to Obama. If it were, I expect that someone would go to jail.

The excesses of the loony left are not a excuse for racism, sorry. I was a race relations facilitator in the Navy for a few years, and abhor even subtle racism. A watermelon patch in front of the White House is overt racism, not subtle and will not serve either wing.

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

I saw a Lab/dachshund mix today. Dachshund body, mini-Lab head, dead black fur. Beautiful.

Sounds gorgeous! (Not that I'm in love with dachshunds or anything ... )