Some Pro-Evolution Bloggers

ScienceFebruary 2009 • Views: 2,693

We weren’t intending to make a big thing of it, but we should have known that as soon as we offered to link to pro-evolution bloggers, the links would start pouring in through the hatches. Here’s the most current list, just to give ‘em all big plugs for standing up for science in their own ways. (Note: you can always find pro-evolution bloggers—if not always conservatives—at ScienceBlogs too.)

Defining “Creationism” Down

Instapundit

Noblesse Oblige » Which Controversy? Discovery Institute vs Science

Daimnation!: Darwin’s next fight

The Atheist Conservative : If I saw an angel or if man was made of brass

Chicago Boyz » Blog Archive » Happy 200th Birthday, Charles Darwin

Well That’s Just Dandy….: I Don’t Know Why This Is So Hard To Understand….

Kerplunk - Common sense from Down Under: The Discovery Institute’s willful destruction of Christian values

sisu: ‘Why can’t we get over our post-Marxist nostalgia?’

Blog Here Now

skepticlawyer » My Enemy’s Honour

Copious Dissent - Understanding Evolution Matters

Public Secrets: One more thing…

Ringo’s Pictures

Because No One Asked

Rite Wing TechnoPagan: creationism

Darwin Central

The Right Stuff

Buttle’s World

Science « Because No One Asked

Founding Bloggers

Granddaddy Long Legs: The Evolution Debate

CUANAS

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119 comments

_RememberTonyC Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:18:28pm

let's hear it for the knuckle draggers

Jetpilot1101 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:20:22pm

It's nice to know that there are some sane folks out there. Hey Lizards, we're not alone!

itellu3times Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:20:50pm

I'd better start my round earth blog, and beat the rush.

ArmyWife Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:21:38pm

re: #3 itellu3times

Cool! Can I guest blog about gravity and stuff?

acwgusa Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:21:49pm

re: #3 itellu3times

I'd better start my round earth blog, and beat the rush.

The Turtles All The Way Down Blog is sure to follow.

Shr_Nfr Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:23:07pm

re: #4 ArmyWife

Yeah, just say you are blogging about heavy metal and I am sure you will get a lot of hits.

Bloodnok Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:23:26pm

Where are the pro volcanologist blogs? Where?/

VioletTiger Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:25:55pm

So many links, so little time...thanks for listing these.

Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:28:16pm

re: #7 Bloodnok

Where are the pro volcanologist blogs? Where?/

You laugh, but ...

[Link: volcanism.wordpress.com...]

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:28:25pm

re: #3 itellu3times

I'd better start my round earth blog, and beat the rush.

No need for that. Just be ready to eat the trolls when they show up.

Charles Johnson Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:29:06pm

They're not too happy over there about Bobby J.'s little slam.

Bob Dillon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:29:53pm

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

It's nice to know that there are some sane folks out there. Hey Lizards, we're not alone!

Ha! My first thot as well.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:32:49pm

re: #9 Charles

You laugh, but ...

[Link: volcanism.wordpress.com...]

This letter says it all.

jaunte Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:33:50pm

Fact-checking: The $140 million was not just for volcano-monitoring:

The reference about volcanoes might have given Jindal an opening for an attempt at snark in his next sentence ("eruption of spending"), but it wasn't based in reality. Here's what the stimulus law actually has to say on the issue:

US Geological Survey

For an additional amount for ''Surveys, Investigations, and Research'', $140,000,000, for repair, construction and restoration of facilities; equipment replacement and upgrades including stream gages, and seismic and volcano monitoring systems; national map activities; and other critical deferred maintenance and improvement projects.

It's very hard to read that statement and honestly conclude that the law is spending $140 million on volcano monitoring. They do mention volcano monitoring, but it's clearly not the only thing that's being funded. Jindal was clearly ignoring the truth in his attempt to paint the bill in the worst light possible.

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

snowcrash Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:35:06pm

Copious Dissent link was good.

Sharmuta Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:35:07pm

re: #11 Charles

They're not too happy over there about Bobby J.'s little slam.

Seems not:

The Volcanism Blog does not do politics, any more than it does sport, religion or cookery. In particular, as a blog born and bred in Great Britain, it does not do U.S. politics. It is appropriate to say here, however, that anyone capable of talking glibly about ’something called “volcano monitoring”‘ as an example of ‘wasteful spending’ needs some education in the matter.

Perhaps a trip to Chile is in order for Mr Jindal.

FrogMarch Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:35:12pm

but do you believe in the innerweb tubes?

Bloodnok Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:35:28pm

re: #9 Charles

You laugh, but ...

[Link: volcanism.wordpress.com...]

They link to a pretty good "Open Letter" to Jindal on another blog.

Bloodnok Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:35:49pm

re: #13 avanti

This letter says it all.

Beat me to it!

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:36:38pm

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

It's nice to know that there are some sane folks out there. Hey Lizards, we're not alone!

Speak for yourself, John.

/I earned my insanity, and I intend to be delightfully mad

lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:37:27pm

re: #14 jaunte

Fact-checking: The $140 million was not just for volcano-monitoring:

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

That's nice. How many jobs will it create?

funky chicken Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:38:00pm

OT, but this comment just got me banned at hotair. I'm no longer allowed to leave comments. LOL

mauipundit, that whole “Hillary is more conservative than McCain” canard that Coulter and Limbaugh fed you is pure, unadulterated BS.
When did McCain ever say he was 100% for socialized medicine? When did McCain every say he was pro-choice? McCain didn’t take any earmarks; Hillary was the earmark queen.

etc, etc, etc

The Coulters and Limbaughs lost this last election for the GOP by supressing turnout for their own side. And now Limbaugh wants to kick anybody to the curb who thought Jindal’s speech was lame?

pathetic

funky chicken on February 25, 2009 at 8:21 PM

oh well...

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:38:26pm

re: #21 lobo91

That's nice. How many jobs will it ~~create~~evolve?

Just helpin' you keep it science-y.

swamprat Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:38:59pm

175

itellu3times Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:39:01pm

re: #4 ArmyWife

Cool! Can I guest blog about gravity and stuff?

Gravity, whazzat?

The Earth makes its own gravity, just add water, right?

Sharmuta Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:39:01pm

You, and anyone who thought that including that comment in the Republican rebuttal was a good idea, are guilty of the dangerous and pervasive attitude of willful ignorance about science that has sadly pervaded the government of this country in the past eight years. It is extremely frightening that you, the governor of a state that recently experienced a major natural disaster, think that the paltry amounts spent on volcano monitoring in our country are a waste of money.

Wow!

FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:39:16pm

Oh horrors! Even more people deluded into thinking that science is good.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:39:23pm

re: #19 Bloodnok

Beat me to it!

Someone is pissed, but you can see they jumped to the anti-science stereotype by inserting some politics in the rant. .

Bloodnok Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:40:09pm

re: #26 Sharmuta

Wow!

I have to say that paragraph really grabbed me too.

Sharmuta Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:40:21pm

Lack of monitoring and communication caused the needless deaths of 23,000 people in the 1985 eruption of Nevado Del Ruiz volcano in Columbia. Would you prefer that we, a technologically rich country with the expertise and resources to prevent such a disaster, should eliminate the very monitoring programs that enable us to do so just because politicians like you can't be troubled to learn about why they're so important?

That's a serious bitchslap.

funky chicken Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:40:36pm

Young Earth Creationists hate geologists as much as they hate evolutionary biologists. Geologists teach that the earth is, well, more than 6,000 years old.

Jindal's slam on vulcanologists may have tipped his hand .... better learn to hold those cards a little closer to the chest, GOP "stars."

jaunte Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:40:37pm

re: #21 lobo91

I don't know precisely, but

"...repair, construction and restoration of facilities; equipment replacement and upgrades including stream gages, and seismic and volcano monitoring systems; national map activities; and other critical deferred maintenance and improvement projects..."

will have to be done by someone, presumably those employed to repair an construct facilities, make steam gauges, create maps, etc.

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:40:37pm

re: #24 swamprat

~~175~~35

IF Obama opens his mouth, numbers drop.

itellu3times Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:41:08pm

Volcanoes are shovel-ready.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:41:28pm

re: #22 funky chicken

OT, but this comment just got me banned at hotair. I'm no longer allowed to leave comments. LOL

oh well...

Nice to see it's not just left wing blogs banning decedenting lefties. :)

Bloodnok Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:42:13pm

re: #28 avanti

Someone is pissed, but you can see they jumped to the anti-science stereotype by inserting some politics in the rant. .

I can forgive that. She is right.

Sharmuta Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:42:31pm

Your attitude toward volcano monitoring as a representative of our country's government is irresponsible and potentially deadly. If you suggest that we should discontinue volcano monitoring simply because you refuse to make the effort to understand it, then you are making yourself personally accountable for the lives, property and money that will be lost in volcanic eruptions. I am sure you will be happy to explain to the American citizens who will suffer from your recommendations why your state deserves funding to monitor and mitigate the hazards associated with flooding and hurricanes, but their homes and lives are unworthy of protection.

And another.

Bloodnok Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:43:29pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

And another.

She is an excellent writer.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:43:39pm

re: #31 funky chicken

Young Earth Creationists hate geologists as much as they hate evolutionary biologists. Geologists teach that the earth is, well, more than 6,000 years old.

Jindal's slam on vulcanologists may have tipped his hand .... better learn to hold those cards a little closer to the chest, GOP "stars."

The levitation comment was off the wall too. We are way behind in high speed train technology.

Bob Dillon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:43:47pm

re: #22 funky chicken

WOW! Ya think they might have their braids tied a bit tight?

saberry0530 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:44:14pm

re: #11 Charles

They're not too happy over there about Bobby J.'s little slam.

BUt CHarles, you have to remember that a mountain in Louisiana is 568 ft above sea level!

////

calcajun Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:44:15pm

re: #11 Charles

They're not too happy over there about Bobby J.'s little slam.

Does that include the Scientologists, too?

I don't like evolution--not one bit. I like being able to scratch my knees without bending over.///

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:44:20pm

re: #35 avanti

Nice to see it's not just left wing blogs banning decedenting lefties. :)

Sorry, I'm a stoopid righty. What does that word mean?

FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:44:23pm

re: #26 Sharmuta

Wow!

Having lived through the 1980 Mt. St. Helens eruption, and living near enough to Mount Rainier to be a potential casualty if the thing does erupt, Governor Jindal's pervasive promotion of religious creed over science is at best criminal and a very poor stewardship of the public trust.

lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:44:46pm

re: #32 jaunte

I don't know precisely, but

"...repair, construction and restoration of facilities; equipment replacement and upgrades including stream gages, and seismic and volcano monitoring systems; national map activities; and other critical deferred maintenance and improvement projects..."

will have to be done by someone, presumably those employed to repair an construct facilities, make steam gauges, create maps, etc.

I imagine so, but I'm sure it's a fairly small number. I've never met a single person who works in the volcano steam gauge manufacturing industry.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:45:35pm

re: #40 Bobibutu

WOW! Ya think they might have their braids tied a bit tight?

You don't screw with someone that walks around near lava flows to get their science jollies.

Sharmuta Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:45:42pm

re: #38 Bloodnok

That was one heck of a rant!

FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:46:12pm

re: #31 funky chicken

Young Earth Creationists hate geologists as much as they hate evolutionary biologists. Geologists teach that the earth is, well, more than 6,000 years old.

Jindal's slam on vulcanologists may have tipped his hand .... better learn to hold those cards a little closer to the chest, GOP "stars."

I am glad he showed his true allegiance with his porking of science. We don't need stealth candidates.

bbuck Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:46:47pm

You can add Founding Bloggers to the list. Creationism should be taught in private religious schools if they choose. Not publicly funded institutions.

itellu3times Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:47:14pm

re: #41 saberry0530

BUt CHarles, you have to remember that a mountain in Louisiana is 568 ft above sea level!

////

With federal aid, maybe they can buy a volcano and raise that up a bit.

Or at least boil a few crawdads in place.

jaunte Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:47:36pm

re: #45 lobo91

I imagine so, but I'm sure it's a fairly small number. I've never met a single person who works in the volcano steam gauge manufacturing industry.

I'm not sure what point you're making. Do you think the money is being wasted?

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:47:36pm

re: #39 avanti

The levitation comment was off the wall too. We are way behind in high speed train technology.

Is that the Vegas to Disneyland boondoggle?

Isn't there someplace for a train that would be useful?

How about this: I propose that the high-speed MAGLEV train be built heading NORTH and UPHILL out of New Orleans.

There's a spot where you need some speed, and we can throw in some Katrina/GWBush hates black people to make it palatable to Obama's loony left base.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:47:58pm

re: #43 OldLineTexan

Sorry, I'm a stoopid righty. What does that word mean?

Sorry for the confusion, I was the booted leftie from a liberal blog. I survive on here, while going for record negitive Karma.

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:49:30pm

re: #53 avanti

Sorry for the confusion, I was the booted leftie from a liberal blog. I survive on here, while going for record negitive Karma.

I like you just fine. Were you reaching for dissenting, perhaps? Or can you tell me what decedenting means?

funky chicken Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:49:37pm

re: #30 Sharmuta

How about the tsunami that devastated Indonesia and Thailand? That was caused by an earthquake, but the same types of tectonic plate movements cause earthquakes and volcanoes. If there had been better monitoring of the faults under the Indian Ocean, there would have been better (or at least some?) warning of the tsunami.

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:51:37pm

re: #54 OldLineTexan

I like you just fine. Were you reaching for dissenting, perhaps? Or can you tell me what decedenting means?

I think he meant to say dissenting.

Truck Monkey Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:52:26pm

re: #53 avanti

upding

Sharmuta Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:52:51pm

re: #55 funky chicken

Exactly! If volcanos go under the bus- what other natural disaster is next on the hit list?

Buffoon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:53:18pm

wow, missed this list too... I guess I just pretty much suck.... I'm gonna go back to creationism, at least I was told Jesus on a dino loved me.....

funky chicken Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:53:47pm

re: #31 funky chicken

Young Earth Creationists hate geologists as much as they hate evolutionary biologists. Geologists teach that the earth is, well, more than 6,000 years old.

Jindal's slam on vulcanologists may have tipped his hand .... better learn to hold those cards a little closer to the chest, GOP "stars."

If you guys doubt that, imagine a YEC parent at a teacher conference...and the subject being taught in earth science is the formation of the Great Lakes in a Great Ice Age....well over 6,000 years ago.

Yes, I'm speaking from personal experience. They don't just have their eyes on "Darwinism." These folks are after the whole banana.

Bob Dillon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:53:59pm

re: #46 avanti

You don't screw with someone that walks around near lava flows to get their science jollies.

RGR - I was referring to the mod at HotAir.

A Polish Ph.D acquaintance of mine, installs, monitors, maintains and crunches the numbers for the seismic recorders in the SF Bay Area. Do not screw with his funding. We take that stuff seriously here.

lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:55:43pm

re: #51 jaunte

I'm not sure what point you're making. Do you think the money is being wasted?

Not at all. They can monitor all the volcanoes they want.

Is it an emergency that's so dire that it should be funded with a bill the members of Congress aren't even given time to read?

I don't think so.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:56:40pm

re: #52 OldLineTexan

Is that the Vegas to Disneyland boondoggle?

Isn't there someplace for a train that would be useful?

How about this: I propose that the high-speed MAGLEV train be built heading NORTH and UPHILL out of New Orleans.

There's a spot where you need some speed, and we can throw in some Katrina/GWBush hates black people to make it palatable to Obama's loony left base.

It is not a Vegas to Disneyland boondoggle. Yes, that line is under consideration as are others, but even that link has many stops along the way that will take cars off the road. The money could also go to other trains and deny funding to the long planned California line.link.

lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:59:15pm

re: #63 avanti

It is not a Vegas to Disneyland boondoggle. Yes, that line is under consideration as are others, but even that link has many stops along the way that will take cars off the road. The money could also go to other trains and deny funding to the long planned California line.link.

If it has "many stops along the way," then there's probably not much point in building a train that can go 300 mph for it.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:59:41pm

re: #54 OldLineTexan

I like you just fine. Were you reaching for dissenting, perhaps? Or can you tell me what decedenting means?

Damn spell checkers fault. :)

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:02:41pm

re: #63 avanti

It is not a Vegas to Disneyland boondoggle. Yes, that line is under consideration as are others, but even that link has many stops along the way that will take cars off the road. The money could also go to other trains and deny funding to the long planned California line.link.

Have you ever reseached what the Shanghai high-speed rail line (a simple run from the city to the airport) cost? $80bn isn't going to go far with MAGLEV.

I've ridden the thing, and I'll say it's impressive. But it's 19 miles.

jaunte Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:03:01pm

re: #62 lobo91

Not at all. They can monitor all the volcanoes they want.

Is it an emergency that's so dire that it should be funded with a bill the members of Congress aren't even given time to read?

I don't think so.

I agree with you that the whole bill was too much spending, too fast.
Jindal just picked out the wrong bit to disparage, and ruined his chance for a positive moment.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:03:10pm

re: #64 lobo91

If it has "many stops along the way," then there's probably not much point in building a train that can go 300 mph for it.

Here's California's pitch:

"Secondly, Anaheim, Las Vegas and everything between on the proposed train route is not some playground for the SoCal and Sin City heathens--these are working cities with real people who need jobs and transit options. Speaking from a regional commuter train perspective, a trip from Anaheim or Palmdale to Union Station in downtown Los Angeles would be minutes compared to the hours it currently takes on the freeways today."

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:04:38pm

re: #64 lobo91

If it has "many stops along the way," then there's probably not much point in building a train that can go 300 mph for it.

High-speed trains are not for taking cars off the road. They're efficient alternatives to short-hop air travel. Houston to Dallas, as an example.

HOWEVER, unlike airlines IN MOST CASES, these trains are all "showpiece" government projects that never ever break even.

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:06:09pm

re: #68 avanti

Here's California's pitch:

"Secondly, Anaheim, Las Vegas and everything between on the proposed train route is not some playground for the SoCal and Sin City heathens--these are working cities with real people who need jobs and transit options. Speaking from a regional commuter train perspective, a trip from Anaheim or Palmdale to Union Station in downtown Los Angeles would be minutes compared to the hours it currently takes on the freeways today."

Palmdale has a commuter train to LA. I've ridden it. My brother-in-law's neighborhood is just uphill from the "station".

lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:07:35pm

re: #68 avanti

Here's California's pitch:

"Secondly, Anaheim, Las Vegas and everything between on the proposed train route is not some playground for the SoCal and Sin City heathens--these are working cities with real people who need jobs and transit options. Speaking from a regional commuter train perspective, a trip from Anaheim or Palmdale to Union Station in downtown Los Angeles would be minutes compared to the hours it currently takes on the freeways today."

My Mustang will top 150 mph, but not if I have to stop at every red light along the way.

And I'm going to have to reserve just a bit of skepticism for any claim coming from a state that just noticed it had a $42 billion budget deficit.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:09:20pm

re: #69 OldLineTexan

High-speed trains are not for taking cars off the road. They're efficient alternatives to short-hop air travel. Houston to Dallas, as an example.

HOWEVER, unlike airlines IN MOST CASES, these trains are all "showpiece" government projects that never ever break even.

I disagree, much of the world leads us in high speed train technology,but even slow trains take a lot of commuters off the roads here in the NYC DC corridor. I agree they need to be made more profitable, but I'd pay to save lot of hours on a commute.
They just opened a NYC to Atlantic City express run, and it's doing well.

Empire1 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:10:32pm

re: #53 avanti

Sorry for the confusion, I was the booted leftie from a liberal blog. I survive on here, while going for record negitive Karma.

Actually, while I may not agree with you too often, I do enjoy your posts, and even upding you on (rare) occasion.

lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:11:02pm

re: #69 OldLineTexan

High-speed trains are not for taking cars off the road. They're efficient alternatives to short-hop air travel. Houston to Dallas, as an example.

HOWEVER, unlike airlines IN MOST CASES, these trains are all "showpiece" government projects that never ever break even.

The biggest waste I've seen lately in that area is the stupid monorail they built in Vegas. Nobody rides it excet tourists using 2 for 1 coupons.

They could have at least built it so it started at the airport. If it did that, I'd take it every time I go there, because it stops right at the hotel where I usually stay.

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:14:57pm

re: #72 avanti

I disagree, much of the world leads us in high speed train technology,but even slow trains take a lot of commuters off the roads here in the NYC DC corridor. I agree they need to be made more profitable, but I'd pay to save lot of hours on a commute.
They just opened a NYC to Atlantic City express run, and it's doing well.

You disagree, and then go off on a tangent. Is the line you mention MAGLEV? Does it need to be? Or would a less sexy train suffice?

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:15:04pm

re: #71 lobo91

My Mustang will top 150 mph, but not if I have to stop at every red light along the way.

And I'm going to have to reserve just a bit of skepticism for any claim coming from a state that just noticed it had a $42 billion budget deficit.

I don't think they'd stop every few miles, maybe 20-30 or more and they get up to speed in a hurry. Under five minutes at a stop is typical. I think the idea is to spend money on projects that have been on the books for a bit to make jobs on infrastructure that will last. There were probably less worthy projects Jindal could have attached.

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:16:57pm

re: #74 lobo91

The biggest waste I've seen lately in that area is the stupid monorail they built in Vegas. Nobody rides it excet tourists using 2 for 1 coupons.

They could have at least built it so it started at the airport. If it did that, I'd take it every time I go there, because it stops right at the hotel where I usually stay.

Everytime anyone in Houston talks about trains, they ALWAYS ignore the three routes we needed twenty years ago ... Hobby airport to Bush Intercontinental and from each airport to downtown.

Instead, we have an 8-mile or so run on Main that goes through downtown.

itellu3times Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:17:47pm

re: #72 avanti

It would cost more to make a limited-access, high-speed route from Anaheim to LA downtown, than it would cost to run it out to Vegas. IOW, it isn't part of the plan. The existing Metrolink is actually pretty good, except it leaves you off miles from anywhere in Irvine.

Huh, it goes out to San Berdo already ...

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:18:01pm

re: #74 lobo91

The biggest waste I've seen lately in that area is the stupid monorail they built in Vegas. Nobody rides it excet tourists using 2 for 1 coupons.

They could have at least built it so it started at the airport. If it did that, I'd take it every time I go there, because it stops right at the hotel where I usually stay.

I think that was the plan, but they did not have the funding, but I may be wrong.

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:20:12pm

re: #73 Empire1

Actually, while I may not agree with you too often, I do enjoy your posts, and even upding you on (rare) occasion.

I'm the devil advocate. You keep me on my toes while I enjoy the discussion.

theatheistjew Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:20:23pm

You can probably add almost all of the blogs on the Atheist Blogroll to the pro-evolution list:
[Link: atheistblogroll.blogspot.com...]

I'll be first to admit that many of my atheist brethren are far to the left when it comes to recognizing the fact that Islam is the number one problem on this planet. Many too, have a problem when it comes to recognizing that Israel is the victim of Arab terrorism, not the other way around.

ConservatismNow! Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:23:40pm

Hey what's that quote that Charles always uses about science and religion? Science and religion are not incompatible or something like that?

lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:24:37pm

re: #79 avanti

I think that was the plan, but they did not have the funding, but I may be wrong.

The ultimate plan was to build it in 3 sections, with it evenually running from the airport to Fremont Street downtown. They built the center section first.

If they'd built the south section first, going from the airport to the south end of the Strip, at least it would go somewhere. What they have now runs parallel to the Strip, mostly along Paradise, and accesses the hotels from the back. Not even remotely practical for someone going there to check in, because you end up walking 1/4 to 1/2 mile to get to the lobby.

They should have built it so it ran right down the center of the Strip. It's an elevated monorail, so it wouldn't disrupt traffic (other than during construction, of course).

avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:26:19pm

re: #75 OldLineTexan

You disagree, and then go off on a tangent. Is the line you mention MAGLEV? Does it need to be? Or would a less sexy train suffice?

The lines that are shovel ready are MAGLEV and you could be correct, and maybe that's why the funding is non specific to MAGLEV. If the project could be converted to old fashioned rail, maybe it will be. I still vote for sexy, it's time we caught up with the rest of the world IMHO.
In a perfect world, we'd learn how to build them in the USA.

Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:27:21pm

If we want to discuss trains, Boston has a commuter rail. It is only good for people who work in Boston or Cambridge and live in the suburbs. A lot of jobs are outside the city, and commuter rail doesn't work well for that.
I had two jobs where I could take the train; I did so for one, because the schedule wasn't any good for going home from the other.
They had trains leaving Boston at 4:40, 4:50, 5:20, 6:15, 7:35
Great for people who could leave work at 4; in high tech, getting out at 6 was early. One job let me out at 4:55 so I could get the 5:20, and then I'd work some more from home. The other, forget it. It would require perfect connections to make the 6:15, and if I missed it, I'd get home at 9PM, after leaving home at 6:35 AM. Forget it.
They have since added a 5:40, but they need a 6:40 and 7:10 as well.
BTW, I can walk to the commuter rail station from home in 10 minutes, and sleep on the train. It was great, when it worked.
However, there were a LOT of problems, and I'd get trains where I had to hunt for the one car out of 6 with working air conditioning.
One day, I was late going home because the FRA (Federal Railroad Agency) inspected and took three trainsets out of service.
I think I had more breakdowns per month than I have bad traffic jams now.
No wonder most of the people on the train seemed to work for the state.

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:27:56pm

re: #84 avanti

The lines that are shovel ready are MAGLEV and you could be correct, and maybe that's why the funding is non specific to MAGLEV. If the project could be converted to old fashioned rail, maybe it will be. I still vote for sexy, it's time we caught up with the rest of the world IMHO.
In a perfect world, we'd learn how to build them in the USA.

Agreed. I'd also like some money spend on modernizing the railroad crossing in and around Chicago. It would make the movement of freight far more efficient.

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:33:40pm

re: #87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Get lost, you troll!

GAZE

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avanti Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:35:51pm

re: #75 OldLineTexan

You disagree, and then go off on a tangent. Is the line you mention MAGLEV? Does it need to be? Or would a less sexy train suffice?

Turns out you are right:

Although the mention of a magnetically levitating train outside of US borders won't grab too much attention, saying that phrase here most definitely perks up ears. Sure enough, a maglev project that would shuttle folks from Disneyland to Las Vegas at up to 300 miles-per-hour is now jousting with a cheaper diesel-electric alternative (dubbed DesertXpress) for support. Reportedly, the latter would cost "just" $3- to $5 billion to construct -- compared to $12 billion for the former -- but rather than escorting folks from Anaheim or even Los Angeles, its origin would be planted in Victorville, California. Still, the trip from there to Vegas would only take three to four hours including the 1.5 hour drive to Victorville, but that still doesn't sound nearly as nice as "well under two hours" for the maglev. As it stands, there's quite a bit of red tape to wade through before either option goes forward, but kicking back on a whizzing train sounds an awful lot better than staring at pavement and blasting the air conditioner for five or so hours.

lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:36:38pm

Poof!

Perplexed Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:37:19pm

re: #87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Looks like you're going out with all your guns blazing. Wish you well and hope that you learn some manners.

jaunte Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:37:32pm

re: #89 shambug

It's a big internet. How did you get stuck in one spot?

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:38:10pm

re: #90 avanti

Turns out you are right:

Although the mention of a magnetically levitating train outside of US borders won't grab too much attention, saying that phrase here most definitely perks up ears. Sure enough, a maglev project that would shuttle folks from Disneyland to Las Vegas at up to 300 miles-per-hour is now jousting with a cheaper diesel-electric alternative (dubbed DesertXpress) for support. Reportedly, the latter would cost "just" $3- to $5 billion to construct -- compared to $12 billion for the former -- but rather than escorting folks from Anaheim or even Los Angeles, its origin would be planted in Victorville, California. Still, the trip from there to Vegas would only take three to four hours including the 1.5 hour drive to Victorville, but that still doesn't sound nearly as nice as "well under two hours" for the maglev. As it stands, there's quite a bit of red tape to wade through before either option goes forward, but kicking back on a whizzing train sounds an awful lot better than staring at pavement and blasting the air conditioner for five or so hours.

Did you read my link to the Shanghai MAGLEV? Did you see the CHINESE cost per mile?

Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:38:53pm

re: #92 Perplexed

Looks like you're going out with all your guns blazing. Wish you well and hope that you learn some manners.

I'm shocked, though. Karma of 1751 and then he goes nutcase all of a sudden. It's very strange.

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:40:10pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

I'm shocked, though. Karma of 1751 and then he goes nutcase all of a sudden. It's very strange.

I've seen him around often. Missed that, so I don't know what his beef was, but I'm surprised. Not a troll, IMO.

lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:40:37pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

I'm shocked, though. Karma of 1751 and then he goes nutcase all of a sudden. It's very strange.

Maybe he was a sleeper waiting to hear the code word "mag lev."

OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:41:30pm

re: #97 lobo91

Maybe he was a sleeper waiting to hear the code word "mag lev."

Hmmm, when you separate it like that it looks like transliterated Hebrew ... could be a Zionist honco conspiracy, methinks.

Cato the Elder Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:43:15pm

What the heck did Ozark say?

Ozark Mountain Daredevil
This user is blocked.
Registered since: Jul 24, 2008 at 6:45 pm
No. of comments posted: 3,962
No. of links posted: 141

Four thousand posts in half a year? And then...what, a stealth creationist?

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lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:43:28pm

re: #98 OldLineTexan

Hmmm, when you separate it like that it looks like transliterated Hebrew ... could be a Zionist honco conspiracy, methinks.

/

There you go. Mystery solved.

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Perplexed Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:44:56pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

Look to see much more of that in the near future. People are stressed and some of them only need a little trigger to send them over the edge. Not good for anyone.

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:47:35pm

re: #99 Cato the Elder

What the heck did Ozark say?

Four thousand posts in half a year? And then...what, a stealth creationist?

No, a rant attacking Charles. I cannot for the life of me figure out why he did that.

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swamprat Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:47:36pm

re: #33 OldLineTexan

re: #24 swamprat

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

shambug
This user is blocked

Shambug, you couldn't wait 88 more posts? I got 50% close?
Man, a little more patience would have been appreciated!

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Cato the Elder Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:48:03pm

re: #98 OldLineTexan

Hmmm, when you separate it like that it looks like transliterated Hebrew ... could be a Zionist honco conspiracy, methinks.

You talking about krav maga?

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lobo91 Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:49:03pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

No, a rant attacking Charles. I cannot for the life of me figure out why he did that.

Probably because he couldn't find a volcano to throw himself into.

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swamprat Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:49:41pm

re: #103 swamprat

Oh.
Ozark AND Shambug.
Do I get it on the combo?

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Cato the Elder Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:50:14pm

Mooph!

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OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:50:25pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

You talking about krav maga?

Heh. Stuff like that, exactly.

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OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:50:41pm

re: #106 swamprat

Oh.
Ozark AND Shambug.
Do I get it on the combo?

Add the two post numbers together?

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OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:51:10pm

re: #105 lobo91

Probably because he couldn't find a volcano to throw himself into.

If only we had some volcano monitoring devices ...

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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:51:44pm

re: #105 lobo91

Probably because he couldn't find a volcano to throw himself into.

Well, he got roasted all the same. Still, I'm tempted to think that someone hijacked his computer to post that rant. It seemed so badly out of character.

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swamprat Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:51:57pm

re: #109 OldLineTexan

Gets real close that way.

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OldLineTexan Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:54:32pm

re: #112 swamprat

Gets real close that way.

GO FOR IT

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swamprat Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:57:34pm

Lets see 87 and 89..carry the 11....
cosine Pi....
minus taxes...

This might take awhile.

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Olderthandirt Wed, Feb 25, 2009 7:46:05pm

OK, OK, is this a Pro-Evolution blog or is it an anti-creationist blog? Seriously, why not spill the beans and confess which it is? Well, the world is waiting!

On the other hand, since a pro-evolution blog would also tend to be an anti-creationist blog, it might not make a difference! The semantics confuse me, however, as I'm easily confused by arguments over how many angels fit on the head of a pin!

On the other hand, I could go out and start a fight over which is better, being pro-conservative or being anti-socialist or being anti-authoritarian or being pro-American or being a pro-representative government kind of guy! Labels might matter yet are they really important? Of course they matter for that is how we kind of identify ourselves to ourselves and to others.

Anyone have a cool Black and Tan handy?

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Salamantis Wed, Feb 25, 2009 9:14:14pm

re: #115 Olderthandirt

OK, OK, is this a Pro-Evolution blog or is it an anti-creationist blog? Seriously, why not spill the beans and confess which it is? Well, the world is waiting!

On the other hand, since a pro-evolution blog would also tend to be an anti-creationist blog, it might not make a difference! The semantics confuse me, however, as I'm easily confused by arguments over how many angels fit on the head of a pin!

On the other hand, I could go out and start a fight over which is better, being pro-conservative or being anti-socialist or being anti-authoritarian or being pro-American or being a pro-representative government kind of guy! Labels might matter yet are they really important? Of course they matter for that is how we kind of identify ourselves to ourselves and to others.

Anyone have a cool Black and Tan handy?

This is an anti-idiotarian blog; it does not discriminate between the different types of idiotarians it holds up to the antiseptic sunlight of public exposure. It's an equal opportunity sanitizer, and goes after them all with equal gusto.

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Pastorius Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:31:22am

You can count me in as a "Pro-Evolution Blogger". However, you will not find me posting on the issue because it would be like posting on the existence of water.

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Granddaddy Long Legs Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:03:05am

Charles, you can add Granddaddy Long Legs to the Pro-evolution blogroll. Here are my bonafides:

The Evolution Debate

Giving Ammunition to One's Opponents

We Don't Need No Education, Part II

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suitepotato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:54:48pm

My own blog Tr1v14l Pursuits is pro-evolution, but ALSO pro-G-d.

As I've said before, evolution, physics, astronomy, they only strengthen my belief in a creator who is a genius. Four little molecules arranged one way and you get Obama. Arranged another, you get Reagan. Still another, you get Dan Rather. Nice range of variation.

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