That Dreaded T Word

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New York Times correspondent Michael Slackman is convinced he’s figured out the real problem in the Middle East, and pleads with the Obama administration to stop saying the ‘T’ word: Memo From Cairo - Disentangling Layers of a Loaded Term in Search of a Thread of Peace - NYTimes.com.

The perception gap, which grew wider when President George W. Bush declared his war on terror in 2001, was blown even further apart in Gaza, when most Arabs came away certain who the real terrorists were.

“Public opinion views what happened in Gaza as a kind of terrorism,” said Muhammad Shaker, a former Egyptian ambassador to Britain. “And on the other side, they see Hamas and other such organizations as groups who are trying to liberate their countries.”

Many here said they saw little distinction between Hamas’s shooting rockets into civilian areas of Israel and Israel’s shooting rockets into civilian areas of Gaza, even if Hamas militants were operating there or just hiding out.

His argument boils down to this: in order to achieve peace with people who lack clarity about the difference between firing missiles at random into a civilian population and using force to stop the firing of random missiles into a civilian population, it’s necessary for us to assume the ultimate relativist position—that murderers exist on the same moral plane as their victims. Abandon all principles, ye who enter here.

But the next question is: suppose we surrendered to the idea that there’s no real difference between terrorists and their victims, and erased the dreaded word from our diplomatic lexicon. Is that going to stop the firing of random morally relative missiles into the civilian population?

When you’re a New York Times correspondent, the solution to every problem looks like a word.

Eric Trager asks: Does foreign policy analysis get any lazier than this?

Soccer Dad comments:

Perhaps in the future he could go through the Arab world where Holocaust denial is prevalent and make the case that what really happened to the Jews is a matter of debate.

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976 comments
1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:40:01am

Is this really the best that moral relativism can do?

2 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:40:17am

How many more layoffs at the Times this quarter?

3 Irish Rose  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:40:22am

Oh, brother.

4 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:40:39am

And the NY Slimes wonders why their paper costs more than their stock.

Their paper can't even be used for bird cage liner or puppy crate liner, because it is already covered in shit.

5 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:40:39am

Appeasement.

We are reliving the 1930's in more ways than one. It will come full circle and end.

6 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:41:08am

re: #5 Leonidas Hoplite

Appeasement.

We are reliving the 1930's in more ways than one. It will come full circle and end badly.

Forgot a word...apologies.

7 VegasRick  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:41:21am

re: #2 Ward Cleaver

How many more layoffs at the Times this quarter?

Defeating liberalism one quarter at a time.

8 pink freud  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:42:03am

re: #1 thedopefishlives

Is this really the best that moral relativism can do?

Give them time. It's early yet.

9 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:42:32am

What's next? Calls for the decriminalization of acts of terror?

10 Randall Gross  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:43:13am

It's Fareed Zakaria's relativism from the Iraq war retreaded for Israel and Gaza.

11 Gella  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:43:27am

NYT lost their gray matter or never had it

12 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:43:41am

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

What's next? Calls for the decriminalization of acts of terror?

No, you will be prosecuted Canadian-style for your verbiage.

13 ilzito guacamolito  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:44:19am

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

What's next? Calls for the decriminalization of acts of terror?

Isn't that what he's saying?

14 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:44:27am

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

What's next? Calls for the decriminalization of acts of terror?

Only terror against those who deserve it, like Jews and Americans.
Israel defending itself against Palis will be called terror and be considered illegal.
/I wish it could be sarc, but this is probably how the UN would view it.

15 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:45:10am

Welcome to Bizarro World.

16 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:45:31am

re: #4 Kosh's Shadow

And the NY Slimes wonders why their paper costs more than their stock.

Their paper can't even be used for bird cage liner or puppy crate liner, because it is already covered in shit.

Agreed. The NYT is so bad its not even fit to wrap a fish with.

17 smokefire  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:45:46am

suppose we surrendered the idea that there’s no real difference between terrorists and their victims.

Let me get my mind around this. No real difference between terrorists and victims?

Then that would mean that there is no difference between right and wrong, good and evil?

My hair is starting to hurt

18 thefallingman  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:45:51am

Yes. And the woman who kills the rapist/murder assaulting her is just as guilty as her attacker. Sure. That's logical. Maybe the Slimes should start referring to terrorism as "anti-Islamic activity" much like the UK does. They could also call murder "anti-criminal" activity.

19 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:46:10am

re: #15 Ward Cleaver

Welcome to Bizarro World.

Hey, Bill Ayers has been a free man how long now?

We've been brought up to temperature slowly, like the frog in the pot.

20 Ben Hur  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:46:15am
“Public opinion views what happened in Gaza as a kind of terrorism,” said Muhammad Shaker, a former Egyptian ambassador to Britain. “And on the other side, they see Hamas and other such organizations as groups who are trying to liberate their countries.


Earth is a country?

21 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:46:40am

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

What's next? Calls for the decriminalization of acts of terror?

Acts of terror are a form of free speech.

/Ayers

22 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:47:02am

re: #15 Ward Cleaver

Welcome to Bizarro World.

Or the world as viewed by the UN.
Unfortunately, the 0bama administration seems to have the same viewpoint.
Will Charles have the chance to warn us when they come looking for the LGF membership list, so we can run for the hills?
/only partly sarc on the last line

23 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:47:23am

re: #5 Leonidas Hoplite

Appeasement.

We are reliving the 1930's in more ways than one. It will come full circle and end.

And we have no FDR, either. Flawed though he was, wrong though he was, he was a man with both physical and moral courage. Barack Obama is a grown-up child with neither.

24 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:48:06am

re: #18 thefallingman

Yes. And the woman who kills the rapist/murder assaulting her is just as guilty as her attacker. Sure. That's logical. Maybe the Slimes should start referring to terrorism as "anti-Islamic activity" much like the UK does. They could also call murder "anti-criminal" activity.

Speaking in rape parallels, this guy just seems to know that the Israelis and Americans were ASKING for it.

Sick and twisted thinking is required to justify murder and brutality. Unfortunately, it's easy to come by.

25 Ben Hur  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:48:09am
Many here said they saw little distinction between Hamas’s shooting rockets into civilian areas of Israel and Israel’s shooting rockets into civilian areas of Gaza, even if Hamas militants were operating there or just hiding out.

How 'bout this:

All here said they saw little distinction because all here get their information spoon fed to them by a totalitarian state controlled media that's rife with anti-Semitism because they know if they were to show their populace THE FRIGGIN TALKING DOLL, the whole shithouse would collapse.

26 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:48:10am

re: #18 thefallingman

Yes. And the woman who kills the rapist/murder assaulting her is just as guilty as her attacker. Sure. That's logical. Maybe the Slimes should start referring to terrorism as "anti-Islamic activity" much like the UK does. They could also call murder "anti-criminal" activity.


I believe that in Iran, the woman gets stoned for defending herself, or for getting raped.

27 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:48:16am
28 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:48:20am

Maybe they can use more accurate terms for them instead: "Jihadists who use terrorism as a tactic".

Oh wait... Jihad doesn't exist either /

29 danrudy  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:48:35am

NYT...fake and inaccurate

30 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:48:44am

re: #18 thefallingman

Yes. And the woman who kills the rapist/murder assaulting her is just as guilty as her attacker. Sure. That's logical. Maybe the Slimes should start referring to terrorism as "anti-Islamic activity" much like the UK does. They could also call murder "anti-criminal" activity.

Its worse than that. It seems to me that the raped woman is more guilty than the rapist, hence the despicable "honor" murders.

31 Rob with a mind  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:48:46am

The Times and their world view is upside down! "Frightening that Island has so many Sheep"

32 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:48:56am

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

And we have no FDR, either. Flawed though he was, wrong though he was, he was a man with both physical and moral courage. Barack Obama is a grown-up child with neither.

Exactly. That's why the blood-letting that's in store for the world will be worse than the 30's and 40's.

33 Ben Hur  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:48:58am

And for all their screaming of "end the occupation!" the haven't noticed that there isn't one.

34 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:49:21am

re: #17 smokefire

suppose we surrendered the idea that there’s no real difference between terrorists and their victims.

Let me get my mind around this. No real difference between terrorists and victims?

Then that would mean that there is no difference between right and wrong, good and evil?

My hair is starting to hurt

This is how the new groupthink goes these days. Right and wrong are all in the eye of the beholder. I have NO idea how they think it makes any logical sense, but to them, anything else is "intolerant".

35 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:49:23am
36 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:49:32am

re: #28 Pyrocles

Maybe they can use more accurate terms for them instead: "Jihadists who use terrorism as a tactic".

Oh wait... Jihad doesn't exist either /

Oh, no, they'll tell you it exists.

It's a peaceful inner struggle.

/

37 thefallingman  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:49:38am

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

And we have no FDR, either. Flawed though he was, wrong though he was, he was a man with both physical and moral courage. Barack Obama is a grown-up child with neither.


He has the "courage" of Charles Lindbergh.

38 pink freud  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:49:55am

Neo-morality.

39 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:49:58am

re: #33 Ben Hur

And for all their screaming of "end the occupation!" the haven't noticed that there isn't one.

I can't help but laugh in their faces when people tell me that Israel needs to end the occupation of Gaza.

40 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:49:59am

re: #33 Ben Hur

And for all their screaming of "end the occupation!" the haven't noticed that there isn't one.

Facts aren't an issue with these people.

41 smokefire  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:50:11am

Acts of terror are a form of free speech.

Free speech for some.
Free speech for Israel would be called terrorism...............but wait! There is no difference between terrorism and victims, so in effect Israel would not be a terrorist state?

Smokefire just ran himself into a stonewall, screaming, and babbling.

42 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:50:22am
43 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:50:36am

But the next question is: suppose we surrendered the idea that there’s no real difference between terrorists and their victims, and erased the dreaded word from our diplomatic lexicon. Is that going to stop the firing of random morally relative missiles into the civilian population?

In a single word. NO!

44 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:50:49am

Somebody compare the NY Times to Fox News and watch all the meltdowns.

45 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:50:52am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Like you get after eating felafel.

What's peaceful about that inner struggle?

46 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:50:59am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Like you get after eating felafel.

Sure. Talk food to me at lunch time. Evil bastidge.

/

47 pink freud  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:51:50am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

I swear I read that as "after getting fellated."

/time for a break

48 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:51:55am

re: #41 smokefire

Acts of terror are a form of free speech.

Free speech for some.
Free speech for Israel would be called terrorism...............but wait! There is no difference between terrorism and victims, so in effect Israel would not be a terrorist state?

Smokefire just ran himself into a stonewall, screaming, and babbling.

And you wonder why we call moonbats, moonbats!
;-)

49 robdouth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:52:00am

I know this is off topic and I couldn't get on yesterday, but I had to comment quickly on the Obama line:

"Nobody messes with Joe Biden."

He is probably right, because it's frowned upon to mess with the retarded.

50 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:52:01am

So shall we resurrect Ghandhi like some Japanese mammoth so that he can go back to imploring the Jews to lay down and die?

51 brookly red  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:52:02am

Hows about we just say "the enemy"... that works for me.

52 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:52:11am

Postmodernism; the first thing I was introduced to when entering college. Shapes the thoughts of all academics.

re: #34 thedopefishlives

This is how the new groupthink goes these days. Right and wrong are all in the eye of the beholder. I have NO idea how they think it makes any logical sense, but to them, anything else is "intolerant".

53 bolivar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:52:39am

re: #2 Ward Cleaver

How many more layoffs at the Times this quarter?

One can only hope this clown is one of them?

54 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:52:44am

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

And we have no FDR, either. Flawed though he was, wrong though he was, he was a man with both physical and moral courage. Barack Obama is a grown-up child with neither.

Obama has, thus far, never really tasted true failure in his career. It's always been either easy for him, or the path was made smooth before him. When he encounters real failure, it's not going to be pretty.

55 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:52:51am

The other day another New York Times Terror-apologist visted with a few of Iran's Jews sand said pronounced them happy little campers.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

James Taranto had a good piece about that column:
See No Evil
The Angry Right and Roger Cohen's contented Iranian Jews.

By JAMES TARANTO

Roger Cohen of the New York Times had a widely panned column the other day in which he touted the happy lives of Jews in Iran. Much of it was devoted to to-be-sure disclaimers: "I know, if many Jews left Iran, it was for a reason." By "many," he means about 75% of the population over the past 30 years, which Cohen accurately notes is smaller than the proportion of Jews who fled most Arab countries after the latter's vicious reaction to Israel's creation:

In Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Iraq--countries where more than 485,000 Jews lived before 1948--fewer than 2,000 remain. The Arab Jew has perished. The Persian Jew has fared better.In fact, by and large, "the Arab Jew" has not perished but has become an Israeli Jew. Both the Arab Jew and the Persian Jew have done better than the European Jew in 1938-45, who is likely to have perished. It is fatuous, however, to take comfort in the fact that the Iranian regime is merely threatening Jews with genocide and has not actually carried out its threat. Yet.

Cohen's column is an apologia for the mad mullahs who run Iran. Oops, he doesn't like when we call them that:

More here:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

56 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:53:24am

re: #51 brookly red

Hows about we just say "the enemy"... that works for me.

They are terrorists ... they mean to murder women and children to frighten soldiers and politicians.

They are scared to death of soldiers. Although you won't hear it from Eric Holder's piehole, they are a shadow nation of cowards.

57 danrudy  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:54:03am

re: #17 smokefire

suppose we surrendered the idea that there’s no real difference between terrorists and their victims.

Let me get my mind around this. No real difference between terrorists and victims?

Then that would mean that there is no difference between right and wrong, good and evil?

My hair is starting to hurt

Wait...then the wealthy aren't evil? those folks on Wall Street aren't evil? George Bush...apparently is not Hitler.

No need to twist your mind around it. It is another elitist "idea" that only works when it suits their narrative

58 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:54:05am

re: #52 Pyrocles

Postmodernism; the first thing I was introduced to when entering college. Shapes the thoughts of all academics.

"Post-modern." "Post-racist." Post-logical-thought is more like how I would put it.

59 thefallingman  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:54:15am

re: #30 Creeping Eruption
It's sad how quickly Western Civilization is eroding. We've gone from punishing evil men to being so afraid of "sinking to their level" that we place them on pedestals above good men. God help us if John Wayne Gacy was alive today. When people ask me why I refuse to have children, it's because I don't want them to live in the world I see coming.

60 Russkilitlover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:54:16am

No use of "Terrorism"
Climate Change
Economic Recovery Package
Bank Investment Plan
Auto Industry Stabilization

Just words. Nicely cleaned and sanitized to not only diminish meaning, but to disinform.

61 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:54:39am

re: #56 OldLineTexan

They are terrorists ... they mean to murder women and children to frighten soldiers and politicians.

They are scared to death of soldiers. Although you won't hear it from Eric Holder's piehole, they are a shadow nation of cowards.

Man, too bad I can't write to save my life ... there's two best-sellers right there ...

Nation of Cowards

Eric Holder's Piehole

62 Racer X  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:54:45am

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

What's next? Calls for the decriminalization of acts of terror?

*see Bill Ayers.

63 rawmuse  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:55:13am

re: #17 smokefire

suppose we surrendered the idea that there’s no real difference between terrorists and their victims.

Let me get my mind around this. No real difference between terrorists and victims?

Then that would mean that there is no difference between right and wrong, good and evil?

My hair is starting to hurt

It is called Nihilism.

64 Ben Hur  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:55:19am

Do you think the Egyptians he's talking about know that the Egyptian military opened fire and killed Palestinians "refugees" during the fighting>

Do you think this author knows that the Egyptians kill Black Sudanese refugees?

He's a usefull idiot because he willfully ignores the true problems of Egypt (too long to list here), he ignores the BS "state of emergency" of Egypt that the left tried to project on Bush, and props up a regime that opresses its own people (Coptics, especially) and uses Israel as an excuse to do so.

If there was no Israel, they'd blame some other state.

65 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:55:29am
When you’re a New York Times correspondent, the solution to every problem looks like a word.

That.

Is.

Bloody.

Brilliant.

I am so stealing it.

66 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:55:34am

re: #49 robdouth

You had 36 hours to run that one over and over again in the editing booth of your mind, and still decided to run with it?

67 brookly red  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:55:47am

re: #56 OldLineTexan

They are terrorists ... they mean to murder women and children to frighten soldiers and politicians.

They are scared to death of soldiers. Although you won't hear it from Eric Holder's piehole, they are a shadow nation of cowards.

Sounds like the enemy to me.

68 smokefire  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:55:51am

re: #48 jcm

And you wonder why we call moonbats, moonbats!
;-)

This is how the new groupthink goes these days. Right and wrong are all in the eye of the beholder.


Without becoming a lighting rod for using a Bible Reference, here
Isaiah says something like...
Up will be down, and wrong will be right.

Not specifically in those words, but in that vein, nonetheless.

69 Land Shark  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:56:10am

The New York Times is such a farce. Reality is a relative concept to them, so it's natural that the only civilized and democratic state in the Middle East is no better than Hamas and Hezbollah thugs who use women and children as shields and murder those who oppose them with impunity. Anyone who uses them or anyone in the MSM as a primary news source is being grossly misinformed. No wonder that rabble rousing putz we have for a President remains so popular!

70 bolivar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:56:19am

re: #54 Honorary Yooper

Obama has, thus far, never really tasted true failure in his career. It's always been either easy for him, or the path was made smooth before him. When he encounters real failure, it's not going to be pretty.

Problem is we are going down with this assclown and I don't want to go for the ride. Can I get off the bus?

71 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:56:29am

The NYT will be finished by the end of this year or next. Fuck them.

72 Ben Hur  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:56:49am
Mona el-Naggar contributed from Cairo, and Nadim Audi from Gaza.

I'm sure they did.

If they didn't, it would be Saidism, - cultural imperialism, because we can't have white europeans reporting on Arab affairs, can we now?

73 robdouth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:56:51am

re: #47 pink freud

Where is your mind?

74 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:56:55am

re: #37 thefallingman

He has the "courage" of Charles Lindbergh.

That's not fair to Lindbergh. Once to war actually began, he supported it. And when the squadron of P-38s he was with encountered Japanese Oscar fighters, he went after one and shot it down. Lucky Lindy was wrong to have cozied up to the Nazis but he displayed killer instinct when he needed to. Confronted by an armed enemy, I doubt Obama would do anything other than run away in panic or beg for mercy. He has no honor.

75 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:57:49am

re: #68 smokefire

This is how the new groupthink goes these days. Right and wrong are all in the eye of the beholder.

Without becoming a lighting rod for using a Bible Reference, here
Isaiah says something like...
Up will be down, and wrong will be right.

Not specifically in those words, but in that vein, nonetheless.

'zactly.... or in the words of The Gipper, "they know so much that isn't so."

76 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:58:07am

re: #39 Creeping Eruption

I can't help but laugh in their faces when people tell me that Israel needs to end the occupation of Gaza.

They do. It is currently occupied by Arabs who don't belong there. Tell them that.

77 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:58:13am

Can we call them Terroists instead......would that be better?

78 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:58:24am

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

That's not fair to Lindbergh. Once to war actually began, he supported it. And when the squadron of P-38s he was with encountered Japanese Oscar fighters, he went after one and shot it down. Lucky Lindy was wrong to have cozied up to the Nazis but he displayed killer instinct when he needed to. Confronted by an armed enemy, I doubt Obama would do anything other than run away in panic or beg for mercy. He has no honor.

Is there a fighter pilot anywhere that we can elect President? Someone with a miserly streak would work.

79 Lynn B.  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:58:32am

It's bad enough that hacks like Mr. Slackman live their lives in such a perverse and twisted distortion of reality but the fact that they use their position to daily drag so many others there right along with them makes me truly sick at heart.

80 Russkilitlover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:58:46am

re: #63 rawmuse

It is called Nihilism.

The necessary precurser to Totalitarianism.

81 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:59:06am

re: #76 Kosh's Shadow

They do. It is currently occupied by Arabs who don't belong there. Tell them that.

Bring an umbrella, or you'll get exploded head and spittle froth on your oxford shirt.

82 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:59:26am

re: #54 Honorary Yooper

Obama has, thus far, never really tasted true failure in his career. It's always been either easy for him, or the path was made smooth before him. When he encounters real failure, it's not going to be pretty.

You are right. FDR had beaten polio, won and lost elections, and helped run the Navy Department during WWI before he became president. Obama came in with no experience.

83 pink freud  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:59:34am

re: #73 robdouth

Where is your mind?

More importantly, where is yours?

84 calvin coolidge  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:59:44am

In related news, Helen Thomas has been appointed the new vocabulary "czar" for the Obama administration. She was quoted as saying "I may occasionally throw the "F" bomb, but I'll never use the "T" word to describe freedom fighters.

85 smokefire  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:59:50am

re: #71 acwgusa

The NYT will be finished by the end of this year or next. Fuck them.

Obituary:
The Old Grey Lady died today after lingering way too long.
Death was attributed to a total lack of clarity, accompanied with way too much left leanings.

There will be no calling hours.

86 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:00:10am

re: #83 pink freud

More importantly, where is yours?

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.

/

87 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:00:18am

Its again time to roll out what a German painter said in regard to the Nazis:
'I cannot eat as much as I want to puke'.

And these NYT writers are people who regard themselves as being on the pinnacle of intellectual enlightenment.

Gah.
See above!

88 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:01:00am

re: #78 OldLineTexan

Is there a fighter pilot anywhere that we can elect President? Someone with a miserly streak would work.

I'd settle for a Hollywood actor with a miserly streak, who tells silly stories about ponies and horse poop.

89 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:01:28am

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

That's not fair to Lindbergh. Once to war actually began, he supported it. And when the squadron of P-38s he was with encountered Japanese Oscar fighters, he went after one and shot it down. Lucky Lindy was wrong to have cozied up to the Nazis but he displayed killer instinct when he needed to. Confronted by an armed enemy, I doubt Obama would do anything other than run away in panic or beg for mercy. He has no honor.

0bama would apologize for making them want to kill him.
He is a disgusting worm, and I apologize to worms for that.
Unfortunately, he is now the symbol of the US.

90 thefallingman  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:01:32am

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

That's not fair to Lindbergh. Once to war actually began, he supported it. And when the squadron of P-38s he was with encountered Japanese Oscar fighters, he went after one and shot it down. Lucky Lindy was wrong to have cozied up to the Nazis but he displayed killer instinct when he needed to. Confronted by an armed enemy, I doubt Obama would do anything other than run away in panic or beg for mercy. He has no honor.


That's true. Lindbergh did man up when the time came. Perhaps Alger Hiss would be a better comparison? Or Noam Chumpsky?

91 Cognito  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:01:43am

Charles, I do think there's some legitimate work to be done, prying into the potency and perception of a word. Words are really only ideas. But Slackman insults his readers and his subjects at once with the final note of the story.


In Cairo, Wafaa Younis was seated on a curb, selling bread and green onions and mint leaves, as goats ate trash strewn across the street. She was asked what advice she would give Mr. Obama as he tried to repair the Arab perception that Washington was the enemy.

“You have to understand everyone’s opinions and demands, and negotiate,” she said. “There will be no peace without this.”

Ah, the noble savage. Selling bread on the curb. And assaying forth, ostensibly, with homegrown advice for America's president.

And there was a goat.

92 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:01:45am

OK,

Let's remove the "T" word and go to Moral Relativism.
Seems to me that leaves both sides with "Fighters" - even the term "Warrior" implies a certain Standard of Conduct.
At that point, we are back to a state of nature, red in tooth and claw.
Although the Hamasniks may wish to conduct themselves under that framework, were the Israelis to do so, it would be suicide for Hamas.

-S-

93 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:02:08am

re: #78 OldLineTexan

Is there a fighter pilot anywhere that we can elect President? Someone with a miserly streak would work.

There was one running, but he seemed to give up partway through the campaign.

94 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:02:12am

re: #78 OldLineTexan

Is there a fighter pilot anywhere that we can elect President? Someone with a miserly streak would work.

America had a chance to elect a fighter pilot last November and spurned that chance to elect the Zero (Obama, not the IJN fighter).

95 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:02:24am

re: #63 rawmuse

It is called Nihilism.

And it's what is destroying what's left of Europe

96 thefallingman  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:02:47am

re: #78 OldLineTexan

Is there a fighter pilot anywhere that we can elect President? Someone with a miserly streak would work.


As long as it's not Randall "Duke" Cunningham.

97 HelloDare  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:03:14am

Sounds like Michael Slackman is angling for a job as a journalism professor once the NYT goes bottoms up.

98 Cognito  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:03:17am

Addendum: Slackman's final scene, I should have said, indicates the intellectual rot that marbles the rest of his argument.

99 dhg4  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:03:33am

re: #55 MJ

The other day another New York Times Terror-apologist visted with a few of Iran's Jews sand said pronounced them happy little campers.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

James Taranto had a good piece about that column:
See No Evil
The Angry Right and Roger Cohen's contented Iranian Jews.

By JAMES TARANTO

At least Cohen's flacking for Iran appeared on the op-ed page, this appeared in the "news" section. (Maybe it appeared as an "analysis," which really means "An opinion dressed up as a news story.")

Despite that, Cohen's column is much, much worse.

100 tfc3rid  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:03:42am

OT:

Did you see the coming tax increases?

636 Billion personal increases over 10 years (including lapse of Bush tax cuts (allegedly for those making over $250K and increases in capital gains tax), 353 Billion for businesses over 10 years...

This man has no clue...

101 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:03:49am

re: #71 acwgusa

Current NYT Stock price. $4.09 (Updates automatically)

102 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

America had a chance to elect a fighter pilot last November and spurned that chance to elect the Zero (Obama, not the IJN fighter).

Fighter pilots haven't translated well domestically, foreign policy wise it works out. (Bush, Bush, McCain)

103 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #88 jcm

I'd settle for a Hollywood actor with a miserly streak, who tells silly stories about ponies and horse poop.

No, most actors are Hugo-hugging nihilist egoists.

The ones that do have American values have kept low profiles and do not have Reagan's political experience.

104 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:03:57am

re: #96 thefallingman

As long as it's not Randall "Duke" Cunningham.

Too bad he didn't have a D behind his name. He could have had a cabinet position by now

105 brookly red  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:04:15am

re: #85 smokefire

Obituary:
The Old Grey Lady died today after lingering way too long.
Death was attributed to a total lack of clarity, accompanied with way too much left leanings.

There will be no calling hours.

I would love it, but there is just too much money available, from too many F'ed up sources for that to happen.

106 pink freud  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:04:20am

Slightly OT:

"The Specialized De-Radicalization Intervention Program"

/Canadian 12-step program for budding terrorists

107 robdouth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:04:21am

re: #66 Noam Sayin'

Maybe I should hire a copy editor?

108 robdouth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:05:31am

re: #86 OldLineTexan

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.

/

A Mind is a Terrible thing to waste.

109 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:05:38am

re: #99 dhg4

At least Cohen's flacking for Iran appeared on the op-ed page, this appeared in the "news" section. (Maybe it appeared as an "analysis," which really means "An opinion dressed up as a news story.")

Despite that, Cohen's column is much, much worse.

Cohen's column reminded me of when the Red Cross visited Theresienstadt in Czechoslovakia at the invitation of the Nazis and said everything was fine. Theresienstadt was a way station for Jews and other prisoners headed to the death camp at Auschwitz.

110 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:06:03am

re: #91 Cognito

Charles, I do think there's some legitimate work to be done, prying into the potency and perception of a word. Words are really only ideas. But Slackman insults his readers and his subjects at once with the final note of the story.

Ah, the noble savage. Selling bread on the curb. And assaying forth, ostensibly, with homegrown advice for America's president.

And there was a goat.

I'd LOL but my throat is sore, so I'm keeping quiet. Thusly: [smiles] Great line, Cog. You brought in your perspective while putting down the doofus NYT reporter fool.

111 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:06:56am

More semantic deception from the left.
really - this is getting old.

112 thefallingman  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:07:11am

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It's a shame how the best fighter pilot in Vietnam fell so far. But he could only get a cabinet post by failing to pay taxes, not by taking bribes.

113 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:07:38am

re: #100 tfc3rid

You know, the Fed can only do so much to end any recession. It takes the President and Congress to lower taxes and cut spending as well. They are doing neither. All we need to add to this perfect storm is a trade war, and the Obama administration and Congress almost did exactly that. I wouldn't put it past them to touch one off by mistake. After that, Obama and the Congressional Democrats own any Depression because they will have failed to head it off.

114 Russkilitlover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:07:38am

"Slackman." Bummer of a last name, dude. And in this case it appears to be an accurate description of your mind.

115 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:06am

re: #106 pink freud

Slightly OT:

"The Specialized De-Radicalization Intervention Program"

/Canadian 12-step program for budding terrorists

Vs the American 1 step program of high speed lead?

116 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:08am

re: #96 thefallingman

As long as it's not Randall "Duke" Cunningham.

Id' rather Duke than the Zero as at least Duke got into a raging scrap against MiGs and won. Obama is Chamberlain.

117 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:10am

re: #106 pink freud

Slightly OT:

"The Specialized De-Radicalization Intervention Program"

/Canadian 12-step program for budding terrorists

I hope it works. I'd rather Islamists who have not become violent come to see the error of their ways peacefully.

118 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:25am

The idiotarian lefts 'logic' on terrorism: one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, ergo terrorists are best considered to be freedom fighters.

119 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:27am

re: #93 Kosh's Shadow

There was one running, but he seemed to give up partway through the campaign.

McCain did not strike me as miserly, and I believe he lost some of his fight while "reaching across the aisle". Age and fatigue, too, know doubt. I have never been abused like he was, and I cannot imaging the physical after-effects were pleasant or short-lived.

120 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:42am

See the hoop, 0bama?!

Jump!

Jump!

You can do it...

Jump!

Come on! Treat!..........Treat!

Jump!

Good Dog!

121 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:47am

Oops. I think that was over the top.

122 HelloDare  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:49am

re: #106 pink freud

That's Spinoff worthy.

123 smokefire  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:53am

I'd settle for a Hollywood actor with a miserly streak, who tells silly stories about ponies and horse poop.

How about a former Marine Drill Sargeant

124 formercorpsman  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:55am

We'll have at least 4 years of this collective mental orgasm.

125 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:09:10am

re: #120 Bloodnok

See the hoop, 0bama?!

Jump!

Jump!

You can do it...

Jump!

Come on! Treat!..........Treat!

Jump!

Good Dog!

Is this an actual transcript of Soros and Obama?
/

126 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:09:24am

re: #102 jcm

Fighter pilots haven't translated well domestically, foreign policy wise it works out. (Bush, Bush, McCain)

Bush the elder flew a torpedo bomber.

And he should have been aces at foreign policy, given his CIA experience.

127 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:09:32am

re: #118 Jimmah

The idiotarian lefts 'logic' on terrorism: one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, ergo terrorists are best considered to be freedom fighters.

For some reason, I just don't see George Washington sending in people with bombs strapped to their chests to blow up the Redcoats.

128 gonecamping  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:09:40am

"Words, just words"

Rewrite history, changes definitions, pander to Terrorists.

What a bunch of sorry sacks of fertilizer.

129 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:10:12am

re: #116 Leonidas Hoplite

Id' rather Duke than the Zero as at least Duke got into a raging scrap against MiGs and won. Obama is Chamberlain.

Don't insult Neville Chamberlain. He actually knew how to manage money. Obama is not Chamberlain or Lindbergh, he's appeasement combined with uselessness.

130 Dave the.....  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:10:30am

Tim McVeigh kills some gov't types, gov't types kill Tim McViegh. I urge both sides to stop the violence (moral equivalence sarc)

131 realwest  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:10:34am

Well there it is folks: moral relativism. The Palestinians have built NOTHING in their "territory" in the way of schools, hospitals, industry or even agricultre and have, instead, devoted themselves entirely to the destruction of the Israeli's and the State of Israel.
Israel, OTOH, has done the opposite: they have built world class learning institutions, industry, agriculture so well that they EXPORT food and resort to violence against the Palestinians only when forced to do so, but according to the times Israel and the Palestinians are equal.
IF this wasn't from the NY Times I'd find it more disturbing, but even coming from the NYTimes it's absoultely astounding and disgusting.
And I have NOT forgotten the Palestinians dancing in the street to celebrate 9/11 and the murder of over 3,000 Americans.
I won't allow the NYTimes to temporize about terrorism. Terrorism in the form of deliberating murdering civilians is EVIL. Period.
Fuck the NY Times.

132 robdouth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:10:48am

re: #119 OldLineTexan

McCain did not strike me as miserly, and I believe he lost some of his fight while "reaching across the aisle". Age and fatigue, too, know doubt. I have never been abused like he was, and I cannot imaging the physical after-effects were pleasant or short-lived.

You raise a good point that probably gets ignored when dealing with his motivations as a politician. Lord knows everyone in public life is psycho-analyzed to death, but this is something in his life that was truly traumatizing and formative. Unlike the trumped up traumas within everyones mind of how tough there life is/was, this man has been through hell on earth, it's amazing he has had as much fight as he has after the fact.

133 jaunte  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:11:06am

The postmodern practice of redefining terms like terrorism and pushing for a relativistic understanding of reality is simply a tactic to get one's opponent off-balance and distracted while you focus pragmatically on your political goals.

Slackman is apparently suggesting that we dismantle the precedents of international relations and try to make sure that non-state actors who have no compunction about killing civilians to get attention be awarded the status of nation-states.

Terrorism has a definition, and Hamas and Hezbollah fit within it, no matter what misperceptions the NYT encourages.

134 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:11:10am

I'd wager he got a lot of "2 for flinching" arm bruises in middle school.

135 Racer X  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:11:31am

re: #113 Honorary Yooper

You know, the Fed can only do so much to end any recession.

They are trying to "print" our way out of this one.

136 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:11:44am

Question: Does this have to happen BEFORE or AFTER we give them 900 Billion? /Just checking

137 smokefire  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:11:47am

re: #131 realwest

..........wonder what they would call another attack on NYC.

138 Ben Hur  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:11:50am

re: #91 Cognito

In Cairo, Wafaa Younis was seated on a curb, selling bread and green onions and mint leaves, as goats ate trash strewn across the street.

THIS Wafaa they listen to.

Wafaa Sultan, not so much.

BBL.

139 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:11:54am

re: #115 acwgusa

Vs the American 1 step program of high speed lead?

The Canadian Army regularly administers that treatment in Afghanistan. The program is an attempt to avoid the need for such a drastic remedy.

140 pink freud  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:12:03am

re: #122 HelloDare

Done.

141 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:12:16am

re: #136 Bloodnok

Question: Does this have to happen BEFORE or AFTER we give them 900 Billion? /Just checking


million PIMF

142 robdouth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:12:32am

re: #135 Racer X

They are trying to "print" our way out of this one.

Upding LOL

143 brookly red  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:12:38am

re: #106 pink freud

Slightly OT:

"The Specialized De-Radicalization Intervention Program"

/Canadian 12-step program for budding terrorists

/ A Clockwork Orange Green?

144 Rancher  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:12:48am

If beheading ones wife because its the only way to restore the family's honor is "domestic violence" then of course defending your sovereign soil from attack is "terrorism". George Orwell would understand.

145 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:12:55am

re: #131 realwest

Well there it is folks: moral relativism. The Palestinians have built NOTHING in their "territory" in the way of schools, hospitals, industry or even agricultre and have, instead, devoted themselves entirely to the destruction of the Israeli's and the State of Israel.
Israel, OTOH, has done the opposite: they have built world class learning institutions, industry, agriculture so well that they EXPORT food and resort to violence against the Palestinians only when forced to do so, but according to the times Israel and the Palestinians are equal.
IF this wasn't from the NY Times I'd find it more disturbing, but even coming from the NYTimes it's absoultely astounding and disgusting.
And I have NOT forgotten the Palestinians dancing in the street to celebrate 9/11 and the murder of over 3,000 Americans.
I won't allow the NYTimes to temporize about terrorism. Terrorism in the form of deliberating murdering civilians is EVIL. Period.
Fuck the NY Times.

With a railroad spike.

146 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:13:23am

re: #141 Bloodnok

million PIMF

Give Obama time. He'll get it up there yet.

147 brookly red  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:13:35am

re: #137 smokefire

..........wonder what they would call another attack on NYC.

/ a protest?

148 HelloDare  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:13:51am

re: #140 pink freud

You put the web address as the title.

149 robdouth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:13:56am

re: #142 robdouth

Meant for that to be on #134...

150 Gretchen  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:14:11am

re: #100 tfc3rid

I heard on the news they are planning to get rid of mortgage interest deductions. And deductions on property tax. That will do wonders for the housing market, especially in high priced areas or areas where people bought second homes.

We. Are. Screwed.

151 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:14:20am

re: #146 MJ

Give Obama time. He'll get it up there yet.

Yeah. I'm thinking about the aid in "2011 dollars".

152 WestTexas  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:14:59am

re: #49 robdouth

That was added to the favorites. I just got coffee on the monitor.

153 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:15:06am

Bill Ayers protege should be called "Babbling Bankrupter" because that is all he's going to do for the next four years... babble while trying to bankrupt the US for it's eventual self prophetic (by libs and marxists and commies etc) decline and downfall...
Unless of course the rest of the Nation wakes up really fast and puts some serious brakes on this moron...

What was the saying something like "because well meaning idiots don't know the meaning of slow down before you hit something"?

154 robdouth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:15:10am

re: #137 smokefire

..........wonder what they would call another attack on NYC.

A second plea from the Arab world for Peace?

155 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:15:12am

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Don't insult Neville Chamberlain. He actually knew how to manage money. Obama is not Chamberlain or Lindbergh, he's appeasement combined with uselessness.

Agreed on your point about Obama but Neville Chamberlain's money management capabilities were meaningless since his delusional ideas regarding appeasement were utter failures.

156 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:15:20am

re: #137 smokefire

..........wonder what they would call another attack on NYC.

Inherited.

157 VegasRick  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:15:38am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

With a railroad spike tie.

Better fit.

158 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:15:50am

re: #113 Honorary Yooper

You know, we would be so much better off as a world if we removed currency and just bartered for goods and services. 2 chickens for a haircut? A bag of corn to pay the rent! And no more evil cars! Bicycles for everyone because riding horses is wrong and degrading to the beautiful animal. amidoinitrite?

/moonbat

159 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:15:58am

re: #150 Gretchen

I heard on the news they are planning to get rid of mortgage interest deductions. And deductions on property tax. That will do wonders for the housing market, especially in high priced areas or areas where people bought second homes.

We. Are. Screwed.

This fits. Obama is continuing the misery to expand government's power grab.

160 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #151 Bloodnok

Yeah. I'm thinking about the aid in "2011 dollars".

Oh. In that case, the deficit will be about 1700 2009 dollars.
/

161 thefallingman  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:16:23am

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Don't insult Neville Chamberlain. He actually knew how to manage money. Obama is not Chamberlain or Lindbergh, he's appeasement combined with uselessness.


Maybe the left is correct. Maybe Obama is truly unique to the world: a man who cannot accurately be compared to the worst we can think of.

162 smokefire  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:16:24am

The following is a list of the 12 steps in the Masjid el Noor Mosque's Specialized De-Radicalization Intervention Program, a "detox" program designed to stop would-be terrorists:

1. Who is Allah: His Mercy to all.
2. Using verses from the Holy Koran that speak of peace and good conduct.
3. Who is Muhammad: His mercy, kind manner, humble attitude, wisdom, patience.
4. Using hadith: Commentaries that provide ethics and other moral training.
5. Using stories of Comapanions: A knowledge-based pursuit.
6. Stories from history: Contexts and underlying factors, not always glory of God.
7. Islamic scholarship: What it seeks for the individual to know, and how.
8. Abrahamic Faith: The interconnectedness of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
9. Other faiths: common ground, not fighting ground.
10. Open Society of Canada: What it means for the majority (how to reconcile dogmatic idealism with pragmatic realism)
11. Seeing the whole as one: Global challenges affecting us all.
12. Advocacy: Actively countering extremist ideology through education, public speaking and writing.

You want DETOX no no no, I will not go there, I promised Charles I would behave

163 Beach Lover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:16:38am

OT but thought this interesting...
check out all the spending projects in your state, people!

164 VegasRick  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:16:55am

re: #137 smokefire

..........wonder what they would call another attack on NYC.

Bush's fault. And Cheney as well.

165 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:17:03am

re: #150 Gretchen

I heard on the news they are planning to get rid of mortgage interest deductions. And deductions on property tax. That will do wonders for the housing market, especially in high priced areas or areas where people bought second homes.

We. Are. Screwed.

Komrade, you don't need interest and tax deductions when you rent your home from the People's Republic.

166 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:17:04am

re: #116 Leonidas Hoplite

Id' rather Duke than the Zero as at least Duke got into a raging scrap against MiGs and won. Obama is Chamberlain.

Chamberlain later realized what he had done and worked to fix it. I don't give Obama the credit to ever make that leap.

167 smokefire  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:17:20am

re: #156 SasquatchOnSteroids

our fault

168 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:17:55am

re: #158 ConservatismNow!

You know, we would be so much better off as a world if we removed currency and just bartered for goods and services. 2 chickens for a haircut? A bag of corn to pay the rent! And no more evil cars! Bicycles for everyone because riding horses is wrong and degrading to the beautiful animal. amidoinitrite?

/moonbat

Let your hair grow really long instead and have sweetheart cut it... it can be used to make rope that will help hold the government issued plastic shelters together...

169 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:18:13am

re: #162 smokefire

The following is a list of the 12 steps in the Masjid el Noor Mosque's Specialized De-Radicalization Intervention Program, a "detox" program designed to stop would-be terrorists:

1. Who is Allah: His Mercy to all.
2. Using verses from the Holy Koran that speak of peace and good conduct.
3. Who is Muhammad: His mercy, kind manner, humble attitude, wisdom, patience.
4. Using hadith: Commentaries that provide ethics and other moral training.
5. Using stories of Comapanions: A knowledge-based pursuit.
6. Stories from history: Contexts and underlying factors, not always glory of God.
7. Islamic scholarship: What it seeks for the individual to know, and how.
8. Abrahamic Faith: The interconnectedness of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
9. Other faiths: common ground, not fighting ground.
10. Open Society of Canada: What it means for the majority (how to reconcile dogmatic idealism with pragmatic realism)
11. Seeing the whole as one: Global challenges affecting us all.
12. Advocacy: Actively countering extremist ideology through education, public speaking and writing.

You want DETOX no no no, I will not go there, I promised Charles I would behave

And they left out step 0
0) How to use taqqiya, so the infidel doesn't know what is going to happen until it is too late.

170 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:18:24am

re: #163 Beach Lover

OT but thought this interesting...
check out all the spending projects in your state, people!

Damn. WV has only 1 project ?
Wonder who they'll name that after ?

171 smokefire  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:18:34am

bbiaw

Be Safe

172 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:19:23am

re: #170 SasquatchOnSteroids

Damn. WV has only 1 project ?
Wonder who they'll name that after ?

A little byrdie.

173 WestTexas  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:19:38am

re: #168 anotherindyfilmguy

HAHAHA

174 dhg4  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:19:42am

In short this "news" article is roughly 1100 words saying, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

(Both Eric Trager and I made that observation.)

175 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:20:03am

re: #163 Beach Lover

OT but thought this interesting...
check out all the spending projects in your state, people!

Look at the size of that thing...

176 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #163 Beach Lover

OT but thought this interesting...
check out all the spending projects in your state, people!

Who did New Hampshire piss off? They're not on there.

177 lobo91  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:20:27am
Many here said they saw little distinction between Hamas’s shooting rockets into civilian areas of Israel and Israel’s shooting rockets into civilian areas of Gaza, even if Hamas militants were operating there or just hiding out.

Israelis often focus on intent in drawing a distinction between Israel and Hamas — saying their forces kill civilians only as an unfortunate consequence of war while Hamas aims attacks at civilians. “The Israeli military effort is to neutralize the forces of aggression that have been used against its civilians, and there sometimes can be collateral damage,” said Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations. “That happens in every war and every conflict.”
That argument convinces no one here, where the public is outraged that Hamas is labeled a terrorist organization by the United States, while Israel is treated as a close friend.

I wonder if the author of this piece truly understands what he's saying here?

Negotiations are conducted using words. If the two parties in a negotiation can't even agree on the meaning of the terms involved, there's not much hope of a settlement.

178 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:20:54am

OT:

BURRIS' SON GOT STATE JOB FROM BLAGO

The son of embattled Sen. Roland Burris is a federal tax deadbeat who landed a $75,000-a-year state job under former Gov. Rod Blagojevich five months ago, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.

Blagojevich's administration hired Roland W. Burris II as a senior counsel for the state's housing authority Sept. 10 -- about six weeks after the Internal Revenue Service slapped a $34,163 tax lien on Burris II and three weeks after a mortgage company filed a foreclosure suit on his South Side house...


[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

179 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:21:21am

re: #176 Bloodnok

Who did New Hampshire piss off? They're not on there.

Didn't they vote for Hillary in the primary, and not The One?

180 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:21:42am

re: #155 Leonidas Hoplite

Agreed on your point about Obama but Neville Chamberlain's money management capabilities were meaningless since his delusional ideas regarding appeasement were utter failures.

Good point, and I agree. I was just trying to say what thefallingman said in agreeing with me:

re: #161 thefallingman

Maybe the left is correct. Maybe Obama is truly unique to the world: a man who cannot accurately be compared to the worst we can think of.

181 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:22:22am

New York Times is now $4.11 a share.

182 realwest  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:23:02am

re: #137 smokefire Well if there was another WMD type of attack on NYC, I'm quite sure the NYTimes would say we got what was coming to us (only they'd dress up the language a bit).
Regretfully, I'm afraid that's what Obama would think, too.

183 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:23:06am

re: #174 dhg4

In short this "news" article is roughly 1100 words saying, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

(Both Eric Trager and I made that observation.)

Well then it also follows that:
- one mans robber is another man's breadwinner, and
- one man's journalist is another man's person who meaninglessly links words together

184 WestTexas  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:23:32am

re: #178 MJ

Good Lord, the media actually did something right. They investigated a Demonrat. Where were they during the election?

185 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:23:49am

re: #178 MJ

OT:

BURRIS' SON GOT STATE JOB FROM BLAGO


[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Good bye, Burris. When both the Chicago papers and the Machine turn on you, you are toast. Needless to say, I'm loving the IL Dems self-immolation. GOP in Obama's old Senate seat and the Governor's Mansion in 2010, baby.

186 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:24:33am

re: #179 Honorary Yooper

Didn't they vote for Hillary in the primary, and not The One?

GAH. Payback!

187 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:24:51am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

Good bye, Burris. When both the Chicago papers and the Machine turn on you, you are toast. Needless to say, I'm loving the IL Dems self-immolation. GOP in Obama's old Senate seat and the Governor's Mansion in 2010, baby.

Mark Kirk for Senate!

188 lobo91  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:25:21am

re: #184 WestTexas

Good Lord, the media actually did something right. They investigated a Demonrat. Where were they during the election?

I believe most of them were digging through trash cans in Wasilla, Alaska.

189 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:26:14am

re: #163 Beach Lover

Idaho has 348 projects.

Hangs head in shame

But it is good to see that Twin Falls isn't listed on the Idaho page.

190 WestTexas  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:26:53am

re: #188 lobo91

While true, it makes me mad that they would rather ruin a good suit than favor a conservative than a liberal.

191 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:27:17am

re: #178 MJ

OT:

BURRIS' SON GOT STATE JOB FROM BLAGO


[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

How do things work in Chicago for Democrats?

"Burris II built his home in the booming Bronzeville neighborhood on land he bought from the City of Chicago in 2000. City records show he paid $1 for the lot as part of an effort to clean up his once-blighted block."

192 WestTexas  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:27:26am

re: #190 WestTexas

While true, it makes me mad that they would rather ruin a good suit than favor a conservative thanover a liberal.

193 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:27:50am

re: #176 Bloodnok

Who did New Hampshire piss off? They're not on there.

Wow! Skateparks for everyone!

/Allahu Slackbar!

194 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:27:51am

re: #187 MJ

Mark Kirk for Senate!

Yes, please! He's done very well in his district, he's a Navy Reservist, and he speaks well (I've heard him several times). Mark Kirk would make an excellent senator.

195 bulwrk  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:27:57am

re: #163 Beach Lover

Shocking Illinois and California get the lions share of projects,wonder what the connection is?

/

196 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:28:05am

California's spendulus request - $23,194,447,831.

197 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:28:11am

the contortions these idiots go thru to justify their vile beliefs is getting ridiculous.
they need to drop the charade and be honest.
why don't they just say they love terrorists. this is their message.

any civilized people around the world who are now threatened w/ jihad are
not feeling comfortable, w/ this caving in of america.

198 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:28:24am

re: #163 Beach Lover

OT but thought this interesting...
check out all the spending projects in your state, people!

I'm handing copies of this shit out. Ridiculous.
Thanks for posting.

199 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:28:31am

re: #163 Beach Lover

OT but thought this interesting...
check out all the spending projects in your state, people!

1971 projects for my state

200 Ojoe  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:28:39am

If we cannot see that some moral systems are better than others, we will all descend to the worst level;

and we will be reading the New York Times in hell, printed on asbestos;

and we will be savoring our existential angst;

and our wads of derisory spit will sizzle on the hot stone floor.

201 Racer X  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:29:17am

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1971 projects for my state

Woo-hoo!

We scored!

202 LindaMarie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:29:25am

re: #150 Gretchen

I heard on the news they are planning to get rid of mortgage interest deductions. And deductions on property tax. That will do wonders for the housing market, especially in high priced areas or areas where people bought second homes.

We. Are. Screwed.

The plan (at this time) is to reduce the credit against taxes from about 39 cents on the dollar to maybe 25. Same for chairity donations etc.

I just doubled up my mortgage payment.

203 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:29:26am

Obama Likely to Announce Iraq Pullout This Week, Official Says

President Obama will likely announce a pullout of U.S. troops from Iraq later this week, according to a Defense Department official.

Obama has been given three plans by the current top U.S. commander in Iraq, Ray Odierno, for troop withdrawal -- 16 months, 19 months or 23 months. The official said it appears Obama is "trending" toward 19 months, although the decision is coming form Obama, not the Pentagon, the official said.

I guess Obama's the decider now.

204 Ojoe  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:30:12am

re: #196 acwgusa

Can I have some more please Mister?

— Dickens

205 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:30:57am

re: #203 Kenneth

Obama Likely to Announce Iraq Pullout This Week, Official Says

I guess Obama's the decider now.

When does 0bama announce the new US flag? The one with white stripes on a white background, and white stars on a white background?

206 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:31:24am

re: #204 Ojoe

Can I have some more please Mister?

— Dickens

Gruel and slop for the People!

207 WestTexas  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:31:26am

Well it's bed time folks.(I work the night shift.) Have fun.

208 Russkilitlover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:31:38am

re: #163 Beach Lover

OT but thought this interesting...
check out all the spending projects in your state, people!

Woo Hoo, California! We're #1! We're #1! .......Oh, wait, we're actually quite pathetic.

209 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:31:56am

re: #150 Gretchen

In Canada, we have never been able to deduct mortgage interest or property taxes from our income tax.

210 brookly red  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:32:27am

re: #205 Kosh's Shadow

When does 0bama announce the new US flag? The one with white stripes on a white background, and white stars on a white background?

/ 57 White stars?

211 bulwrk  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:32:32am

Wow West Virgina gets screwed all they get is one crappy little town hall.

212 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:32:35am

re: #205 Kosh's Shadow

When does 0bama announce the new US flag? The one with white stripes on a white background, and white stars on a white background?

He's in negotiations with the French about that already.

213 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:32:57am

re: #163 Beach Lover

OT but thought this interesting...
check out all the spending projects in your state, people!

I'm just looking at the most negatively rated ones for each state. For Arizona I love: "Clean Up On 4th Street - $3,000,000"

/positively nauseating

214 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:33:16am

re: #184 WestTexas

Good Lord, the media actually did something right. They investigated a Demonrat. Where were they during the election?

Some of them were doing the dishes, others had to wash their hair. They were busy, dammit!
///

215 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:33:33am

re: #208 Russkilitlover

Woo Hoo, California! We're #1! We're #1! .......Oh, wait, we're actually quite pathetic.

Our new state motto - "California - We're number #1 in Suckage."

216 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:33:39am

re: #201 Racer X

Woo-hoo!

We scored!

Someone has been having fun, from one of the projects for San Diego:

Bus Pads
$500,000.00 - 0 jobs - Transit Program

Is this project critical? or

22% voted critical - 78% voted not critical - 54 votes cast

Wiki Description
Whoopie cushions will be located underneath each seat for extra support and entertainment.

Cushions that make noises depending on what color pants you are wearing.

217 Russkilitlover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:33:48am

re: #196 acwgusa

California's spendulus request - $23,194,447,831.

That's so they could sell their absurd budget to the rest of us citizen-chumps. It was basically, "Yeah, i know average $1,500 increase per person was a "difficult choice" but we're not screwing you as hard as we could, we're getting $24 Billion from the Feds."

218 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:33:48am

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1971 projects for my state

223 projects in my state. I'm kind of ashamed of it, but I have to admit that we are in DIRE need of the roadwork. I can see that most of the projects are devoted to improving what Oklahoma has been severely lacking: quality roads.

219 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:34:04am

Money quote from the Burris story:

Blagojevich's administration hired Roland W. Burris II as a senior counsel for the state's housing authority Sept. 10 -- about six weeks after the Internal Revenue Service slapped a $34,163 tax lien on Burris II and three weeks after a mortgage company filed a foreclosure suit on his South Side house.

A spokeswoman for the Illinois Housing Development Authority indicated Wednesday there was nothing improper about Burris II's employment by the agency, whose mission includes overseeing mortgage programs for low-income home buyers and anti-foreclosure initiatives.

[Dark_Falcon bangs his head against the wall]

220 HelloDare  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:34:26am

re: #205 Kosh's Shadow

When does 0bama announce the new US flag? The one with white stripes on a white background, and white stars on a white background?

I hope you repost this when more people are around.

221 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:34:39am

re: #195 bulwrk

Shocking Illinois and California get the lions share of projects,wonder what the connection is?

/

What's more telling is the lack of projects in Central Illinois vs. NE Illinois and Metro East.

222 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:34:45am

re: #216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Its a F***king Road!"

I cracked up.

223 realwest  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:34:48am

Well y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta go eat some lunch and what not!
Hope you all have a GREAT day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

224 lobo91  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:35:10am

I love this one, in nearby Boulder, CO:

Provide funding to convert 60 hybrid electric vehicles to Plug-in Hyrbrid Vehicles with Vehicle to Grid technology. The cars are part of the City of Boulder, Boulder County and the University of Colorado fleets. A mix of onboard V2G technology and smart

Cost: $6,000,000

Jobs created: 0

Wow...for only $100,000 apiece, we can convert some hybrid cars so that they run on straight battery power. Which will then be charged using what, windmills? Unicorn farts?

225 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:35:25am

It reminds me of the Simpsons when people were making requests for the Elementary School's oil money:

Otto: I want one of those guitars which are, like, two guitars?....

stamp: APPROVED

226 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:35:36am

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

Money quote from the Burris story:


[Dark_Falcon bangs his head against the wall]

BWAHAHAHA! God, I love this state!

227 thefallingman  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:35:47am

re: #176 Bloodnok

Who did New Hampshire piss off? They're not on there.


For those who don't know, Rev. Lowery (who gave the "benediction" at the Annointment) is from Huntsville, AL, and the area around Huntsville looks to be getting about 43% of the state's stimulus allocation. Just kind of interesting to me.

228 LindaMarie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:36:17am

re: #208 Russkilitlover

Woo Hoo, California! We're #1! We're #1! .......Oh, wait, we're actually quite pathetic.

I have not yet clicked on your link, I will.
Bet ya, since Richardson (Gov of New Mexcio) decided not to be Sec of Commerce - the state is at the bottom.

...to be continued

229 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:36:50am

re: #226 Honorary Yooper

BWAHAHAHA! God, I love this state!

India is less corrupt.

230 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:37:34am

re: #224 lobo91

I love this one, in nearby Boulder, CO:

Wow...for only $100,000 apiece, we can convert some hybrid cars so that they run on straight battery power. Which will then be charged using what, windmills? Unicorn farts?

Nuclear power. Obama has indicated some support for it. I hope he holds to that. More nuclear power would reduce pollution, and reduce our energy dependence.

231 mikeymom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:37:46am

re: #224 lobo91

laughed at that one too--that is SOOOO Boulder, is it not?

232 bulwrk  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:38:15am

re: #221 Honorary Yooper

I take it those areas are Republican strongholds.

233 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:38:19am

re: #206 acwgusa

Gruel and slop for the People!


Food, Glorious Food

234 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:38:22am

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

Nuclear power. Obama has indicated some support for it. I hope he holds to that. More nuclear power would reduce pollution, and reduce our energy dependence.

His only support for nuclear power is for Iran, apparently.

235 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:38:56am

I'm surprised Tesla didn't get any handouts.

236 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:39:00am

I just got here. Had to actually do some work. Can we use the dreaded C..Sucker word for this reporter and others like him?

237 HelloDare  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:39:10am

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

Nuclear power. Obama has indicated some support for it. I hope he holds to that. More nuclear power would reduce pollution, and reduce our energy dependence.

I believe he said he is for it if they can get over the waste disposal problems. So ultimately he is probably not for it.

238 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:39:15am

I can't believe that I actually agree with Robert Bryd about something:

Sen. Byrd questions Obama's use of policy 'czars'

"..."Too often, I have seen these lines of authority and responsibility become tangled and blurred, sometimes purposely, to shield information and to obscure the decision-making process," Byrd wrote.

Remember that Obama line about "transparency"

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

239 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:39:28am

re: #163 Beach Lover

OT but thought this interesting...
check out all the spending projects in your state, people!

Washington (368 projects) $1,713,748,676.

WA has some neat tricks for public works projects. Massive EIS studies, prevailing wage (high end of union scale), and State projects pay State sales taxes on materials.

End result?

Only about half that money actually goes directly into the project.

240 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:39:32am

re: #229 MJ

India is less corrupt.

Zimbabwe and the Palestinian Authority also have nothing on us either when it comes to sheer corruption.

241 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:39:34am

re: #229 MJ

India is less corrupt.

A lot less. This story stinks to high heaven. Burris' fellow senators should throw him out on his ear. He is the product of a Stygian mire of corruption and graft.

242 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:39:35am

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

Nuclear power. Obama has indicated some support for it. I hope he holds to that. More nuclear power would reduce pollution, and reduce our energy dependence.

He's cutting money for Yuma Mountain.

243 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:39:37am
244 brookly red  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:39:45am

re: #234 acwgusa

His only support for nuclear power is for Iran, apparently.

upding.

245 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:40:25am

re: #237 HelloDare

I believe he said he is for it if they can get over the waste disposal problems. So ultimately he is probably not for it.

That's simple enough: Rocket the waste into the Sun.

246 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:41:45am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

That's simple enough: Rocket the waste into the Sun.

Or cram it down Schumer's throat. God knows there is enough empty space in his head for it to fit.

247 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:41:52am

I don't freakin' care what the Arab Street thinks. They're all screwed up in the head, and fed propaganda and lies, and are members of a hate-fuelled triumphalist culture.

Actually, I take that back: I do care what the Arab Street thinks, because I use it as a barometer to tell me exactly what not to think.

Seriously, this NY Times buffoon lacks even a whiff of critical thinking skills.

Imagine Michael Slackman is a benchwarmer on your football team. Someone gets injured and the coach decides to send him onto the field.

"Slackman! Get out there! Hold the line!"

After a couple of plays, Slackman, bruised and out of breath, speaks up in the huddle.

Quarterback: "OK buttonhook down the middle seam with a 10-42 --"

Slackman: "Excuse, can I make an observation? I've noticed that is another team on the playing field. And, for reasons unknown to me, they seem to want to stomp me and all of us into the dirt. Here we are, striving to make a touchdown, but can't you see? From their point of view, a touchdown for our team would be disastrous. Every yard we move forward, they see as a setback! And who's to say which point of view is correct? Perhaps the fair thing to do is to resolve this game amicably, taking into account both points of view. So, what I propose for the next play, is that after hiking the ball, we all sit down on the field and invite the other team to have some constructive discussions after the nature of conflict, and to ask them what kind of game score would make them happy. Who's with me on this?"

It was the first time in football history that a team received 15-yard "Personal Foul" penalty for bodily throwing their own teammate off the field.

248 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:41:53am

re: #242 Kosh's Shadow

He's cutting money for Yuca Mountain.

I hadn't heard that. The facility is close to done so they may not need as much money. And it would be almost impossible to open anyway, while Reid is Senate Majority Leader.

249 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:42:14am

re: #240 Honorary Yooper

Zimbabwe and the Palestinian Authority also have nothing on us either when it comes to sheer corruption.

That's true.
The Senate needs to start hearings on Burris, now.

250 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:42:38am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

That's simple enough: Rocket the waste into the Sun.

Bad idea. Did you see Superman IV? We could create a nuclear powered trash monster! How would you fight such a thing?

251 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:42:50am

re: #176 Bloodnok

Who did New Hampshire piss off? They're not on there.

Judd Gregg pissed off Obama, I imagine.

252 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:42:50am

Downtown Quiet Zone in San Diego - $20 million.

Love it.

253 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:43:05am

I've noticed that is another team = I've noticed there is another team

254 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:43:16am

re: #17 smokefire

suppose we surrendered the idea that there’s no real difference between terrorists and their victims.

Let me get my mind around this. No real difference between terrorists and victims?

Then that would mean that there is no difference between right and wrong, good and evil?

My hair is starting to hurt

most of the jerks who would espouse this b.s. are cowards and in no danger themselves. they won't advocate for evil when it is coming for them.

255 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:43:27am

re: #247 zombie

I don't freakin' care what the Arab Street thinks. They're all screwed up in the head, and fed propaganda and lies, and are members of a hate-fuelled triumphalist culture.

Actually, I take that back: I do care what the Arab Street thinks, because I use it as a barometer to tell me exactly what not to think.

Seriously, this NY Times buffoon lacks even a whiff of critical thinking skills.

Imagine Michael Slackman is a benchwarmer on your football team. Someone gets injured and the coach decides to send him onto the field.

"Slackman! Get out there! Hold the line!"

After a couple of plays, Slackman, bruised and out of breath, speaks up in the huddle.

Quarterback: "OK buttonhook down the middle seam with a 10-42 --"

Slackman: "Excuse, can I make an observation? I've noticed that is another team on the playing field. And, for reasons unknown to me, they seem to want to stomp me and all of us into the dirt. Here we are, striving to make a touchdown, but can't you see? From their point of view, a touchdown for our team would be disastrous. Every yard we move forward, they see as a setback! And who's to say which point of view is correct? Perhaps the fair thing to do is to resolve this game amicably, taking into account both points of view. So, what I propose for the next play, is that after hiking the ball, we all sit down on the field and invite the other team to have some constructive discussions after the nature of conflict, and to ask them what kind of game score would make them happy. Who's with me on this?"

It was the first time in football history that a team received 15-yard "Personal Foul" penalty for bodily throwing their own teammate off the field.

Would be LOL, if not for illness.

256 saberry0530  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:43:32am

Just looked at the Louisiana Spend-a-lust listings. Just so happens that Lake Charles and Lafayette have exactly 0 projects. HUMMMMM Could these be the only major metro areas in the state that voted Republican?
Yes, I think so.

257 bulwrk  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:43:59am
258 Russkilitlover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:44:04am

re: #216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And not one job created in San Diego from all this.

259 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:44:51am

re: #209 Kenneth

In Canada, we have never been able to deduct mortgage interest or property taxes from our income tax.

And IIRC, Canada has always required a minimum downpayment of 20%? Interesting how there doens't seem to be a housing bubble problem north of the border, eh?

260 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:44:54am

re: #232 bulwrk

I take it those areas are Republican strongholds.

Yes. Illinois can be divided as follows:

*Chicago/Cook County: Mostly Democrat. Some in western and NW Cook tend to vote anti-Chicago.
*Collar Counties: A mix, but weigh more Republican than Democrat. Tends to vote anti-Chicago.
*Central & Northern Illinois (outside the six county area): Mostly Republican. Votes anti-Chicago.
*Metro East (St Louis's eastern 'burbs): Mostly Democrat. Tends to vote lock step with Chicago.
*Southern Illinois (south of US-50): Mostly old-time Democrat (even pre-Civil War). Votes its own way, but will side with the city for party reasons.

Then there are exceptions:

*Peoria: Union and pro-gun Democrats. Again, vote their own way.
*Champaign-Urbana: College Democrats. Votes somewhat like Madison, Wisconsin.

261 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:44:55am

re: #250 ConservatismNow!

Bad idea. Did you see Superman IV? We could create a nuclear powered trash monster! How would you fight such a thing?

I'd give Obama and Pelosi to eat. They're so toxic it would die.

262 Beach Lover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:45:01am

re: #238 MJ
/even a blind squirrel.....

263 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:45:12am

re: #257 bulwrk

Yucca Mountain toxic dump project to be scaled back

So how much money will we have wasted on this after Obama cancels it? Maybe I can live there?

264 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:45:27am

re: #252 Bloodnok

Downtown Quiet Zone in San Diego - $20 million.

Love it.

Airport, trains, cars, boats and people. Not possible. Pure waste. Idiots.

265 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:46:04am

re: #250 ConservatismNow!

Bad idea. Did you see Superman IV? We could create a nuclear powered trash monster! How would you fight such a thing?

Nothing to worry about, "The One" will talk to it, and tell the Monster all about Hope and Change. And the Monster will die a slow death of boredom.
/S

266 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:46:48am

re: #247 zombie
One of my favorite quotes ever.

From the South Park episode Osama bin Laden has Farty Pants:
Stan: America is your team. If you don't root for your team, then get the hell out of the stadium!

267 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:47:28am

re: #247 zombie

I don't freakin' care what the Arab Street thinks.

Beware the reporter or politician who claims to be telling you what the "Arab street" thinks. First of all, there is no democracy in the Arab world (aside from the nascent one in Iraq), secondly, the Arab newspapers all work under the censorship of the gov't, and the Western papers work under a heavy domestic political agenda. Finally, what any given Arab says thinks is entirely dependent on who is asking.

"What the Arab Street thinks" is merely a form of argument by lack of authority.

268 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:47:30am

re: #257 bulwrk

Yucca Mountain toxic dump project to be scaled back

By extension, that will rule out expansion of nuclear energy production.

269 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:48:12am

re: #260 Honorary Yooper

Yes. Illinois can be divided as follows:

*Chicago/Cook County: Mostly Democrat. Some in western and NW Cook tend to vote anti-Chicago.
*Collar Counties: A mix, but weigh more Republican than Democrat. Tends to vote anti-Chicago.
*Central & Northern Illinois (outside the six county area): Mostly Republican. Votes anti-Chicago.
*Metro East (St Louis's eastern 'burbs): Mostly Democrat. Tends to vote lock step with Chicago.
*Southern Illinois (south of US-50): Mostly old-time Democrat (even pre-Civil War). Votes its own way, but will side with the city for party reasons.

Then there are exceptions:

*Peoria: Union and pro-gun Democrats. Again, vote their own way.
*Champaign-Urbana: College Democrats. Votes somewhat like Madison, Wisconsin.

Yes, but in this stimulus plan, I saw no listing for Champaign, Urbana, or Bloomington. Only Normal had projects on the list for stimulus money.

Just FYI.

270 HelloDare  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:48:23am

The French reprocess nuclear waste on site.

271 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:48:46am

re: #265 Dustyvet

((Dustyvet))

Perrier in bottle = good.
Perrier out nose = not good.

272 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:48:51am

re: #260 Honorary Yooper

To go a bit futher, Obama and Burris are Chicago Democrats, and Durbin is an example of a Metro East Democrat.

273 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:48:54am

re: #268 jcm

By extension, that will rule out expansion of nuclear energy production.

With 2 kids in college I could use alittle extra. They can dump what ever they want in my back yard.

274 J.S.  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:49:03am

This kind of extreme relativism (seeing no distinction between terrorists and the victims of terrorists) seems to me to be the forerunner to nihilism...(a state in which everything is permissible.)

275 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:49:56am

re: #274 J.S.

This kind of extreme relativism (seeing no distinction between terrorists and the victims of terrorists) seems to me to be the forerunner to nihilism...(a state in which everything is permissible.)

Exactly. It results in no guilt, which is the point of all this.

276 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:50:08am

re: #269 vxbush

Yes, but in this stimulus plan, I saw no listing for Champaign, Urbana, or Bloomington. Only Normal had projects on the list for stimulus money.

Just FYI.

Not a shocker. Most of that "stimulus" money is going to Chicagoland or Metro East. Guess where Obama's supporters in Illinois are?

277 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:50:09am

re: #268 jcm

By extension, that will rule out expansion of nuclear energy production.

Not necessarily. The talk is of using Government facilities for temporary storage. We have to do something. Again, I'm for solar disposal. It's not cheap but it would remove the waste permanently.

278 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:50:48am

re: #273 Nevergiveup

With 2 kids in college I could use alittle extra. They can dump what ever they want in my back yard.

Save on back yard lighting! The grass will have a pleasant green glow!

///

279 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:50:53am

re: #270 HelloDare

The French reprocess nuclear waste on site.

Yes, but that makes sense!

Here in San Diego, we had a chance to build a desalination plant that would have provided fresh water to about a million homes, but we turned it down, for fear it might harm fish. FISH! FISH, for bloody sake!

280 Beach Lover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:02am

you all know your state and where the dem reps are. That explains alot. But, what I want to know is where they are getting the # of jobs created for all this. and how many will be illegal immigrants? How many of those you know you have lost their white collar jobs will be working on these road construction projects? Certainly none of the minorities in our area are willing to give up on umemployment to go out there and sweat in 90 degree heat!
And when did this become a National issue and not a state one?! What are they gonna do with our state taxes?

281 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:19am

re: #276 Honorary Yooper

Not a shocker. Most of that "stimulus" money is going to Chicagoland or Metro East. Guess where Obama's supporters in Illinois are?

Oh, I know. It's completely obvious.

And then, when all the building projects and road work are going on, everyone will be complaining about how hard it is to get around town, or on the interstates. This will not generate good attitudes and will probably increase road rage.

282 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:21am

re: #163 Beach Lover

OT but thought this interesting...
check out all the spending projects in your state, people!

That is a fascinating list. I'm from Wisconsin, but I live in Washington state. The Wisconsin list is totally urban. Unless I missed it or it's structured inside the city grants, there is not one item for a small town like the one I grew up in. Not one. I didn't even see La Crosse on the list.

Washington's is spread out all over the place. There is a bunch for Seattle, but I heard the mayor is angry and feels like he's entitled to more.

283 rawmuse  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:34am

re: #279 acwgusa

Hey, fish are people too.

284 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:34am

re: #278 jcm

Save on back yard lighting! The grass will have a pleasant green glow!

///

Well it's not like with the housing market the way it is, that I can sell anyway?

285 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:38am

re: #274 J.S.

This kind of extreme relativism (seeing no distinction between terrorists and the victims of terrorists) seems to me to be the forerunner to nihilism...(a state in which everything is permissible.)

A forerunner to nihilism?

No, it is the result of nihilism, which is jackahmmered into students' brains for their entire college careers -- especially in journalism school.

286 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:57am

re: #279 acwgusa

Yes, but that makes sense!

Here in San Diego, we had a chance to build a desalination plant that would have provided fresh water to about a million homes, but we turned it down, for fear it might harm fish. FISH! FISH, for bloody sake!

Aww - those are not fish - they're sea kittehs!

Who'd want to harm them?

///

287 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:52:07am

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

Not necessarily. The talk is of using Government facilities for temporary storage. We have to do something. Again, I'm for solar disposal. It's not cheap but it would remove the waste permanently.

Problem with solar disposal is a accident in the first couple minutes of the flight........

Maybe we should just launch from DC, no damage that way......
////

288 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:52:28am

re: #282 capitalist piglet

Illinois apparently IS a project.

289 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:52:31am

re: #270 HelloDare

The French reprocess nuclear waste on site.

That's some of what little good news there is. Obama's energy secretary expressed support for breeder reactors that can do just that. Hopefully they get around to building some of them.

290 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:52:34am

re: #279 acwgusa

Don't you mean Sea Kittens?

291 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:52:39am

re: #284 Nevergiveup

Well it's not like with the housing market the way it is, that I can sell anyway?

LOL!

292 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:52:54am

re: #271 Chicago Blonde

((Dustyvet))

Perrier in bottle = good.
Perrier out nose = not good.

Sending "The Mighty Litter Kicker" over with a nice fluffy towel...:)

293 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:52:58am

re: #286 yma o hyd

Aww - those are not fish - they're sea kittehs!

Who'd want to harm them?

///

My three real kittens ( or cats by now, but still)

294 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:53:02am

re: #283 rawmuse

Hey, fish are people too.

I thought they were kittens of the sea.

295 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:53:56am

re: #293 Nevergiveup

My three real kittens ( or cats by now, but still)

I wonder what PETA would have to say about that - heads exploding?

296 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:53:59am

re: #286 yma o hyd

Aww - those are not fish - they're sea kittehs!

Who'd want to harm them?

///

Yum, sea kitten, gulp! Burp!

297 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:54:27am

re: #283 rawmuse

Hey, fish are people too.

Oh the humanity of it...Sea Kittens with seven legs...and 10 eyes...

/s

298 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:54:30am

re: #296 acwgusa

Yum, sea kitten, gulp! Burp!

My attitude precisely!

299 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:54:40am

re: #259 Leonidas Hoplite

You can buy a house for with less than 20% down payment, but you will need to convince the bank you can make the higher payments. In other words, you need to be in better financial shape, not less, to get a mortgage on 10% down. We did not have the gov't obligation on banks to give sub-prime loans to people who couldn't keep up the payments. So while we have had small local housing bubbles in hot markets like Vancouver, Calgary or Toronto, they were driven by local economic growth, not artificial conditions.

300 rawmuse  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:54:43am

re: #294 acwgusa

I got that idea from a drummer pal of mine. He has a bumper sticker that says "Drum machines are people, too"

301 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:55:06am

re: #292 Dustyvet

Thanks!

I have a very literal imagination. I got this mental image of a fanged drooling creature, suddenly stopping and keeling over as it's being bloviated to death.

302 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:55:21am

re: #299 Kenneth

Or you just get a VA loan. One of the nice benefits of serving your country.

303 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:55:38am

re: #294 acwgusa

I thought they were kittens of the sea.

Charlie the Sea Kitten?


/S

304 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:55:39am

Obama's Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Read my Lips....ah wrong President- never mind

305 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:55:59am

Unbelievable, in re the stimulus package. Little Elk Grove, CA is getting one of these:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

306 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:11am

astounding...one man comes out of nowhere and with his minion droolers imposes his extreme socialist govt down our throats, defying all laws of economics and reason, knowingly making us vulnerable to our enemies and reducing our childrens future to govt servitude...and there is almost nothing free people can do to stop him....I'm near panic

307 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:21am

re: #296 acwgusa

Mmm, pan-fried sea kitten with a crunchy beer batter...

308 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:24am
309 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:25am

re: #301 Chicago Blonde

Thanks!

I have a very literal imagination. I got this mental image of a fanged drooling creature, suddenly stopping and keeling over as it's being bloviated to death.

ROFMYAO...YUP, THAT'S WHAT i WAS THINKING...:)

310 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:31am

re: #304 Nevergiveup

Obama's Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Read my Lips....ah wrong President- never mind

So, where are all the people who listened to Obama say he was going to reduce the taxes? WHERE ARE THEY? I want them to yell and scream and cry about how Obama let them down!

311 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:37am

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

Not necessarily. The talk is of using Government facilities for temporary storage. We have to do something. Again, I'm for solar disposal. It's not cheap but it would remove the waste permanently.

If we had some containers that could withstand a launch mishap, we might as well bury the waste in them and save launch costs.
Best place on Earth for the waste are the subduction zones. By the time the containers fail, the stuff is so deep it won't come back up until it has decayed.

312 Beach Lover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:39am

I don't know, but I had some nice "sea kitttens'' last night breaded with panko bread crumds and sauted!
Yummmm

313 brookly red  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:42am

re: #300 rawmuse

I got that idea from a drummer pal of mine. He has a bumper sticker that says "Drum machines are people, too"

/ I think you pal may have borrowed that from ACORN.

314 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:44am

re: #279 acwgusa

Yes, but that makes sense!

Here in San Diego, we had a chance to build a desalination plant that would have provided fresh water to about a million homes, but we turned it down, for fear it might harm fish. FISH! FISHsea kittens! Sea kittens, for bloody sake!

FTFY

315 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:49am

re: #304 Nevergiveup

Obama's Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Read my Lips....ah wrong President- never mind

The market seems to like it - DOW is still up by about 25 points.

316 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:53am

re: #300 rawmuse

I got that idea from a drummer pal of mine. He has a bumper sticker that says "Drum machines are people, too"

I have an older bumper sticker, it's says "beat boxes are people too!"

Arcane reference for Raw's sake.

317 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:57:58am

re: #315 yma o hyd

The market seems to like it - DOW is still up by about 25 points.

The Dow is like a Bipolar Roller coaster this week.

318 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:57:59am

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

Art of Noise fan?

319 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:58:20am

re: #305 Pvt Bin Jammin

Unbelievable, in re the stimulus package. Little Elk Grove, CA is getting one of these:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

So, Obama said there was not pork or earmarks in the stimulus bill. Hmmmm, so I guess they moved it to the new budget?

Who the fuck is he trying to fool?

320 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:58:26am

re: #302 ConservatismNow!

I don't know if they have a similar programme up in Canada. We should.

321 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:58:31am
322 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:58:32am

re: #307 Chicago Blonde

Mmm, pan-fried sea kitten with a crunchy beer batter...

That don't work well, when you put pepper on them, the little things sneeze their socks off...:)

323 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:58:47am

re: #318 Chicago Blonde

Art of Noise fan?

I have no idea what your reference is too?

324 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:58:54am

re: #317 acwgusa

The Dow is like a Bipolar Roller coaster this week.

Good image.
Looking at the ups and downs can make one feel quite sea-sick.

325 bulwrk  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:59:19am

re: #305 Pvt Bin Jammin

I've been through Elk Grove many times its mostly farmland and a state correctional facility.

326 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:59:29am

re: #281 vxbush

I took a look at the list. It looks like one Roger Claar of Bolingbrook, Illinois, made out like a bandit. For those who don't know, he's the corrupt mayor of Bolingbrook, and is well connected to the Combine (he's got an R after his name, but that doesn't mean much in Illinois).

327 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:59:34am

re: #321 Killgore Trout

Land Kitten who ate too many Sea Kittens

OT - (well, we already are)

Input, last night? I watched it this morning.

328 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:59:39am

re: #282 capitalist piglet

That is a fascinating list. I'm from Wisconsin, but I live in Washington state. The Wisconsin list is totally urban. Unless I missed it or it's structured inside the city grants, there is not one item for a small town like the one I grew up in. Not one. I didn't even see La Crosse on the list.

Washington's is spread out all over the place. There is a bunch for Seattle, but I heard the mayor is angry and feels like he's entitled to more.

Nickels feels he's entitled to anything and every. Nickels is a dweeb of the first order. Any jackass who tells kids Santa will drown if they don't get their parents to switch to CFL bulbs deserves to be toss of the next ferry out of town.

329 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:00:24am

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

Art of Noise was an 80s group - they did a single called Beat Box.

/Just wondered. :)

330 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:00:32am
331 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:00:40am

re: #283 rawmuse

Hey, fish are people too.

Mmmmmmm, sea kitten.....

332 J.S.  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:00:42am

re: #285 zombie

I think the mindset creeps in gradually...over time morals are eroded (I watched this process for a long time now, following CBC news, etc....first, they don't call terrorists "terrorists", and it grows increasingly worse, until as others have pointed out, there can be actual moral reversals -- terrorists lauded, victims vilified -- but, I don't think this could have been "accomplished" right off the bat...20, 30 years ago, there was shock and horror with terrorist acts, plane hijackings, etc.)

333 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:00:46am

re: #299 Kenneth

You mean the Canadian system requires you to have better financial stability to get a bigger mortgage? Wow, what a concept!
/

334 Mithrax  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:01:10am

re: #329 Chicago Blonde

Art of Noise was an 80s group - they did a single called Beat Box.

/Just wondered. :)

Hmmm, the only ARt of Noise lyric I can remember is "the Art of Noise is Wierd, the Art of Noise is Powerful"

Well, that and "oh yeah" from Ferris Bueller's Day Off

335 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:01:33am

re: #326 Honorary Yooper

I took a look at the list. It looks like one Roger Claar of Bolingbrook, Illinois, made out like a bandit. For those who don't know, he's the corrupt mayor of Bolingbrook, and is well connected to the Combine (he's got an R after his name, but that doesn't mean much in Illinois).

No, it doesn't, alas. And yet, I expected there to be at least a few items for Springfield, and there are *zero*. Surely the folks in Springfield were willing to bend over in order to get some money.

336 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:01:35am

re: #286 yma o hyd

Aww - those are not fish - they're sea kittehs!

Who'd want to harm them?

///

I would. They're delicious!

337 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:02:00am

re: #319 Walter L. Newton

So, Obama said there was not pork or earmarks in the stimulus bill. Hmmmm, so I guess they moved it to the new budget?

Who the fuck is he trying to fool?

He sure as hell hasn't fooled me but, then again, I'm sure he doesn't give a sh*t. I'll bet there are a lot more little projects like the one I found. I just looked up that town because my brother lives near there.

338 BatGuano  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:02:13am

re: #330 taxfreekiller

Common Knowledge among sentient beings.

339 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:02:17am

re: #322 Dustyvet

LOL! Seriously though, a nicely fried catfish is one of life's joys.

340 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:02:36am

re: #328 jcm

Nickels feels he's entitled to anything and every. Nickels is a dweeb of the first order. Any jackass who tells kids Santa will drown if they don't get their parents to switch to CFL bulbs deserves to be toss of the next ferry out of town.

The stories I miss! He did that?

341 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:03:03am

Holy Mother of God, Obama just released his budget, and it's a mind-boggling catastrophe.

Welcome to the Second Great Depression:

President Barack Obama unveiled a multi-trillion-dollar spending plan Thursday that would boost taxes on the wealthy, curtail Medicare, lay the groundwork for universal health care and leave a string of deficits dwarfing any in the nation's history.

In addition to sending Congress his $3.55 trillion budget plan for 2010, Obama proposed more immediate changes that would push spending to $3.94 trillion in the current year. That would result in a record deficit Obama projects will hit $1.75 trillion, reflecting the massive spending being undertaken to battle a severe recession and the worst financial crisis in seven decades.

That's it. He just hammered the final nail in our economy's coffin.

342 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:03:26am

re: #334 Mithrax

They did Paranomia too - that Max Headroom thing.

343 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:03:31am

re: #324 yma o hyd

Good image.
Looking at the ups and downs can make one feel quite sea-sick.

Anyone know if sea kittens cough up scaleballs?

344 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:03:34am

he phrase “war on terror,” a hallmark of President George W. Bush’s White House, is rarely used in the Obama administration, but Panetta that “there’s no question this is a war.”

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Of course there is a war. A war on capitalism. A war on freedom. A war on Republicans. A war on the right to bear arms. A war on the Fetus. Ah I could go on and on, but it's my turn to stand guard.

345 Dave the.....  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:03:34am

re: #282 capitalist piglet

That is a fascinating list. I'm from Wisconsin, but I live in Washington state. The Wisconsin list is totally urban. Unless I missed it or it's structured inside the city grants, there is not one item for a small town like the one I grew up in. Not one. I didn't even see La Crosse on the list.

A while back I looked at the wish list for Duluth and Superior (I used to live in Superior). Superior, conservative Democrat (always voted for Tommy Thompson) was asking for free money for basic infrastructure....road and sewer repairs mostly.

Left wing Duluth (think Herb Bergson), wanted to blow it's money on things like a downtown trolley...a real one with tracks and overhead wire.

346 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:03:36am

re: #321 Killgore Trout

Land Kitten who ate too many Sea Kittens

Sad to see, that. I hope the owners have changed the cat's diet.

347 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:03:48am

re: #336 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I would. They're delicious!

Staple diet here in the UK.
Where would we be without out Fishsea-kittens'n Chips-shops!

348 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:04:16am

re: #329 Chicago Blonde

Art of Noise was an 80s group - they did a single called Beat Box.

/Just wondered. :)

Ok. No, when analog electronic drum machine's appeared (I think in the 60's, that's when I got my first one), they were sometimes called "beat boxes."

349 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:04:17am

re: #341 zombie

Holy Mother of God, Obama just released his budget, and it's a mind-boggling catastrophe.

Welcome to the Second Great Depression:

That's it. He just hammered the final nail in our economy's coffin.

He just hammered the final nail in our COUNTRY'S coffin.

350 Mithrax  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:04:31am

re: #342 Chicago Blonde

They did Paranomia too - that Max Headroom thing.

Oh thats right, they did. Funny this was, up here in Canada, we had to import their album, and it took a few months. My brother was the collest kid for a while because he had an -import-.

351 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:04:40am

re: #341 zombie

Dear G-d. He superglued the coffin lid as well, apparently.

352 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:04:47am

re: #339 Chicago Blonde

LOL! Seriously though, a nicely fried catfish is one of life's joys.

Fried catfish!...I'll be right over...:)

/s

353 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:04:54am

Looks like the Hollyweird types as well a John F'in Kerry are getting a sweetheart deal in Ketchum, Id.

$105,366,000 of our tax dollars to this resort town for the Rich and Famous. $36K of it is for Town wide WiFi. But this is the largest.

Community Core Streetscaping Phase 4- Infill sidewalks, pedestrian lighting, and landscaping. Ketchum ID 5900 $59,000,000 CDBG -51

From the comment section.

A property-rich resort town gets most of Idaho's money for downtown revitalization? Who benefits here, the celebs from Hollywood? As John Stossell would say, "Give me a break!"

and

KETCHUM? - - - - KETCHUM IDAHO ?
I've been to Ketchum as recently as last summer. It needs new sidewalks and/or street lighting like Vegas needs a casino upgrade. And besides, Ketchum ain't NEARLY big enough to absorb $59 million, even if you replaced every square yard of sidewalk and every streetlight in the whole town.

Nope - some one or more of the Congresscritters that have houses there (Heinz/Kerry that I know about, but there must be others) must have a friend who will turn a bunch of this $$ back into campaign funding.

354 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:04:55am

re: #340 capitalist piglet

The stories I miss! He did that?



He did, includes image of actually letter......

355 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:04:57am

re: #330 taxfreekiller

Obama is a commie, and hates America, inside he dislikes himself, he knows he is a liar, he knows he is full of shit, he will blame all others and all other things around him for his failures, and he is failing , big time,

when it starts to come undone, do not get near the back draft, he will
demand others fall with him.

Even the MSM are pissing their pants in fear over this new budget.

There's no way he will be able to obfuscate his way out of this one. Two years from now, when we've officially entered a major economic depression, Obama will have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

356 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:05:14am

re: #331 jcm

Mmmmmmm, sea kitten.....

Great tasting, if its de-boned right. I'm always finding small bones in mine.

357 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:06:10am

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

Great tasting, if its de-boned right. I'm always finding small bones in mine.

If fish are sea kittens, do cats mind the cannibalism?
(Anyone remember the Cat in Red Dwarf when he learned to ask the food machine for fish and overate?)

358 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:06:30am

what will the moral relativism be when iran hits Israel with a nuke?

359 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:06:38am

re: #353 Bubblehead II

Looks like the Hollyweird types as well a John F'in Kerry are getting a sweetheart deal in Ketchum, Id.

$105,366,000 of our tax dollars to this resort town for the Rich and Famous. $36K of it is for Town wide WiFi. But this is the largest.

Community Core Streetscaping Phase 4- Infill sidewalks, pedestrian lighting, and landscaping. Ketchum ID 5900 $59,000,000 CDBG -51

From the comment section.

A property-rich resort town gets most of Idaho's money for downtown revitalization? Who benefits here, the celebs from Hollywood? As John Stossell would say, "Give me a break!"

and

KETCHUM? - - - - KETCHUM IDAHO ?
I've been to Ketchum as recently as last summer. It needs new sidewalks and/or street lighting like Vegas needs a casino upgrade. And besides, Ketchum ain't NEARLY big enough to absorb $59 million, even if you replaced every square yard of sidewalk and every streetlight in the whole town.

Nope - some one or more of the Congresscritters that have houses there (Heinz/Kerry that I know about, but there must be others) must have a friend who will turn a bunch of this $$ back into campaign funding.

That second comment is priceless,

360 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:06:43am

re: #341 zombie

Holy Mother of God, Obama just released his budget, and it's a mind-boggling catastrophe.

Welcome to the Second Great Depression:

That's it. He just hammered the final nail in our economy's coffin.

Does he follow the plan he laid out during the election of just hitting the top 5% of the wage earners?

361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:06:44am

Sad business in Albuquerque.

362 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:06:48am

Could we redefine terrorist as "Toe sucking, pig f#cking, child murdering anti-freedom fighting cowards"?

Just Askin'

363 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:06:53am

re: #345 Dave the.....

re: #282 capitalist piglet


A while back I looked at the wish list for Duluth and Superior (I used to live in Superior). Superior, conservative Democrat (always voted for Tommy Thompson) was asking for free money for basic infrastructure....road and sewer repairs mostly.

Left wing Duluth (think Herb Bergson), wanted to blow it's money on things like a downtown trolley...a real one with tracks and overhead wire.

Superior was about the only place on that list that wasn't in the Milwaukee/Madison corridor, or close to it.

Nothing for La Crosse, Wausau, Eau Claire...oops, I forgot to see if Eau Claire was listed as a state.

364 Dave the.....  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:07:04am

It's funny how Democrats and MSM are reminding us nonstop about Bush's deficits, and saying Republicans cannot comment on Barry's deficit spending because of that.

Bush deficits (which we condemned)...about $250 Billion

The One's...about $1.25 trillion per year and growing.

Moral equivalence.

365 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:07:07am

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

I didn't know they came out in the 60s. Cool. Thanks.

366 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:07:12am

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

Great tasting, if its de-boned right. I'm always finding small bones in mine.

Proper salmon filet won't have bones, a salmon steak will.

367 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:07:26am

re: #353 Bubblehead II

Looks like the Hollyweird types as well a John F'in Kerry are getting a sweetheart deal in Ketchum, Id.

$105,366,000 of our tax dollars to this resort town for the Rich and Famous. $36K of it is for Town wide WiFi. But this is the largest.

Community Core Streetscaping Phase 4- Infill sidewalks, pedestrian lighting, and landscaping. Ketchum ID 5900 $59,000,000 CDBG -51

From the comment section.

A property-rich resort town gets most of Idaho's money for downtown revitalization? Who benefits here, the celebs from Hollywood? As John Stossell would say, "Give me a break!"

and

KETCHUM? - - - - KETCHUM IDAHO ?
I've been to Ketchum as recently as last summer. It needs new sidewalks and/or street lighting like Vegas needs a casino upgrade. And besides, Ketchum ain't NEARLY big enough to absorb $59 million, even if you replaced every square yard of sidewalk and every streetlight in the whole town.

Nope - some one or more of the Congresscritters that have houses there (Heinz/Kerry that I know about, but there must be others) must have a friend who will turn a bunch of this $$ back into campaign funding.

Sure.
Thats how they did it under FDR as well - nothing new, no surprise ...

368 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:07:28am

re: #349 acwgusa

He just hammered the final nail in our COUNTRY'S coffin.

From the SanFran Gate article...

"The other half of the money for expanding health care — $318 billion — would come from curtailing payments to hospitals and insurance companies under Medicare and drug payments under Medicaid."

So, in general, he will be forcing Medicare/Medicaid out of the picture and require nationalized health care.

369 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:07:44am

re: #355 zombie

Even the MSM are pissing their pants in fear over this new budget.

There's no way he will be able to obfuscate his way out of this one. Two years from now, when we've officially entered a major economic depression, Obama will have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

That assumes he'll be able to pass his budget. There is a chance that if he's overreached badly, the budget can be partially fixed in the Senate. Not a good chance, but a semi-realistic one.

370 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:07:48am

re: #341 zombie

Holy Mother of God, Obama just released his budget, and it's a mind-boggling catastrophe.

Welcome to the Second Great Depression:

That's it. He just hammered the final nail in our economy's coffin.

The market responds by going down.

371 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:07:51am

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

I thought it was a great episode. Lots of story development. I'm bracing myself for next week, it looks like a crappy episode about the Jack, Kate, Sawyer love triangle.

I was really surprised Linus killed Locke last night. Ben hasn't been as evil lately, I'm glad he's back in form. Do you have a theory why he killed Locke after he mentioned Faraday's mom?

I'm also enjoying the hierarchy of knowledge that has developed. Faraday's mom seems to be the top, Linus and Faraday are the next tier, and the rest are more or less pawns. Very interesting.

372 J.S.  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:08:01am

re: #355 zombie

Or, then again, the MSM will be in paroxysms of utter delight and will be giving rousing standing ovations and fainting at the mere thought of a "depression" which they'll all eagerly welcome as the best news yet!

/nihilism mode on

373 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:08:03am

re: #357 Kosh's Shadow

If fish are sea kittens, do cats mind the cannibalism?
(Anyone remember the Cat in Red Dwarf when he learned to ask the food machine for fish and overate?)

374 lobo91  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:08:17am

re: #280 Beach Lover

what I want to know is where they are getting the # of jobs created for all this.

These projects were all vetted at the local level. Whoever dreamed them up also dreamed up the number of jobs "created."

In other words, it was done by MSU (make sh*t up).

375 UberInfidel67  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:08:31am

In honor of the mother of the octuplets, Denny's is offering a new
breakfast meal: The Octo-Slam. You get fourteen eggs, no sausage, and
the guy next to you has to pay the bill.

376 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:08:42am

re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sad business in Albuquerque.

What happened?

377 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:08:54am
378 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:09:00am

re: #341 zombie

Holy Mother of God, Obama just released his budget, and it's a mind-boggling catastrophe.

Welcome to the Second Great Depression:

That's it. He just hammered the final nail in our economy's coffin.

From the same article...

"The administration called the request for additional bailout resources a "placeholder" in advance of a determination by the Treasury Department of what will actually be needed."

Gee, could you send me 20,000 as a placeholder, that will work for me for the rest of the year.

379 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:09:03am

re: #358 Eowyn2

what will the moral relativism be when iran hits Israel with a nuke?

'They (Isreal) asked for it!'
Same as for women who get themselves raped.

/Do i need to?

380 UberInfidel67  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:09:11am

Three contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the White House. One is from Chicago, another is from Tennessee, and the third is from Minnesota.
All three go with a White House official to examine the fence. The Minnesota contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring, then works some figures with a pencil. "Well," he says, "I figure the job will run about $900: $400 for materials, $400 for my crew and $100 profit for me."
The Tennessee contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then says, "I can do this job for $700: $300 for materials, $300 for my crew and $100 profit for me."
The Chicago contractor doesn't measure or figure, but leans over to the White House official and whispers, "$2,700." The official, incredulous, says, "You didn't even measure like the other guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?"
The Chicago contractor whispers back, "$1000 for me, $1000 for you, and we hire the guy from Tennessee to fix the fence."
"Done!" replies the government official.
And that is how the new stimulus plan will work.

381 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:09:16am

re: #368 Walter L. Newton

From the SanFran Gate article...

"The other half of the money for expanding health care — $318 billion — would come from curtailing payments to hospitals and insurance companies under Medicare and drug payments under Medicaid."

So, in general, he will be forcing Medicare/Medicaid out of the picture and require nationalized health care.

Physicians will just stop seeing Medicare patients because the reimbursements are so ridiculously low.

382 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:09:21am

re: #368 Walter L. Newton

From the SanFran Gate article...

"The other half of the money for expanding health care — $318 billion — would come from curtailing payments to hospitals and insurance companies under Medicare and drug payments under Medicaid."

So, in general, he will be forcing Medicare/Medicaid out of the picture and require nationalized health care.

It sounds worse - cut Medicare because health care for the elderly is not cost effective.
At 65, you get a new doctor, a graduate of the Kevorkian school of medicine.
Soylent green anyone?

383 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:09:31am
384 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:09:48am

re: #360 vxbush

Does he follow the plan he laid out during the election of just hitting the top 5% of the wage earners?

The article says,

The $634 billion down payment on expanding health care coverage would come from a $318 billion increase over 10 years in taxes on the wealthy, defined as couples making more than $250,000 per year and individuals making more than $200,000

This is EXACTLY what McCain warned against. All "small business owners" will get slammed, layoffs will increase, unemployment will skyrocket, and the total tax revenue will DECREASE.

385 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:09:53am

re: #350 Mithrax

My older brother was the one with the cool music. :)

386 Racer X  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:09:57am

re: #355 zombie

Even the MSM are pissing their pants in fear over this new budget.

There's no way he will be able to obfuscate his way out of this one. Two years from now, when we've officially entered a major economic depression, Obama will have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

They.
Will.
Blame.
Bush.

No repercussions whatsoever.

387 Dave the.....  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:10:00am

Capitalist.......looks like the big Democratic cities in Wisc want, and are getting, free money. The moderate or Republican ones are taking a pass.

388 brookly red  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:10:20am

re: #368 Walter L. Newton

From the SanFran Gate article...

"The other half of the money for expanding health care — $318 billion — would come from curtailing payments to hospitals and insurance companies under Medicare and drug payments under Medicaid."

So, in general, he will be forcing Medicare/Medicaid out of the picture and require nationalized health care.

Yup, Rush is talking to this right now...

389 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:10:24am

re: #322 Dustyvet

That don't work well, when you put pepper on them, the little things sneeze their socks off...:)


Good! I didn't want to eat their socks anyway.

390 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:10:25am

re: #364 Dave the.....

It's funny how Democrats and MSM are reminding us nonstop about Bush's deficits, and saying Republicans cannot comment on Barry's deficit spending because of that.

Bush deficits (which we condemned)...about $250 Billion

The One's...about $1.25 trillion per year and growing.

Moral equivalence.

Exactly!

391 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:10:58am

re: #380 UberInfidel67

I don't know whether to upding you for the laugh or downding you for the sober truth...

392 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:11:23am

re: #375 UberInfidel67

In honor of the mother of the octuplets, Denny's is offering a new
breakfast meal: The Octo-Slam. You get fourteen eggs, no sausage, and
the guy next to you has to pay the bill.

I hear they give out a coupon for plastic surgery with every purchase too. A giant over-sized unnecessary breakfast followed up with some rhinoplasty!

393 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:11:31am

re: #384 zombie

This is EXACTLY what McCain warned against. All "small business owners" will get slammed, layoffs will increase, unemployment will skyrocket, and the total tax revenue will DECREASE.

So I say again: WHERE ARE THE FOLKS SCREAMING ABOUT HOW OBAMA DIDN'T KEEP HIS WORD!?

394 Tom Taylor  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:11:35am

re: #137 smokefire

..........wonder what they would call another attack on NYC.

Bush's fault!

395 Dianna  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:12:09am

re: #360 vxbush

Does he follow the plan he laid out during the election of just hitting the top 5% of the wage earners?

No, no! It's only the top 2%!

396 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:12:21am

re: #393 vxbush

So I say again: WHERE ARE THE FOLKS SCREAMING ABOUT HOW OBAMA DIDN'T KEEP HIS WORD!?

Those aren't the small business owners. He kept his word and everyone has their hand out for my money.

397 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:12:38am

re: #392 Desert Dog

And fish sea-kitten lips...

398 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:13:16am

re: #355 zombie

Even the MSM are pissing their pants in fear over this new budget.

There's no way he will be able to obfuscate his way out of this one. Two years from now, when we've officially entered a major economic depression, Obama will have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

It will be interesting to see if the unprofessional slobbering leg tingle media will still carry Obama's water.

399 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:13:17am

re: #396 Creeping Eruption

Those aren't the small business owners. He kept his word and everyone has their hand out for my money.

But it can't stay like this. You know after we have a record deficit for another year he's going to have to increase taxes on everyone so that "everyone will pay his fair share of the deficit."

You know it's coming.

400 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:13:40am

re: #398 FrogMarch

I predict they will until the bitter end.

401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:13:52am

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

What happened?

They found 11 bodies out in the desert. Appears to be hookers and other drug users.

402 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:13:56am

re: #395 Dianna

No, no! It's only the top 2%!

And with the economy 0bama is creating, that percentage will get smaller and smaller, as fewer people make as much money.
Either that, or inflation will bring most salaries over $200,000 and a loaf of bread will be $100.

403 Mithrax  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:13:57am

re: #385 Chicago Blonde

My older brother was the one with the cool music. :)

We had the same brother? Man, he always looked at me as if I were a dork.

Oh wait, I was! Am! and Will be!

Huzzah!

I wonder if I start an interest group if I can get money from the US Gov't.

404 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:14:04am

Hi all. Back from serving lunch to seniors. Man, can those folks eat! (Especially the desserts.)

On the economy, and Obama's current approach, only one comment:

Hey! I read Amity Schlaes' book "The Forgotten Man."

Mr. Obama, you're doing everything wrong. Not just some things....

EVERYTHING.

Thanks.

405 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:14:13am

re: #399 vxbush

But it can't stay like this. You know after we have a record deficit for another year he's going to have to increase taxes on everyone so that "everyone will pay his fair share of the deficit."

You know it's coming.

Something is coming and whatever it is, it ain't pretty.

406 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:14:15am

re: #397 Chicago Blonde

And fish sea-kitten lips...

RC in bottle good

RC through nose bad!


/S

407 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:14:44am

NPR will be all over that! They already love to play "Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?" and other Depression-era folk songs during transitions between stories... Need to constantly pound the "crisis" into their listeners.

re: #372 J.S.

Or, then again, the MSM will be in paroxysms of utter delight and will be giving rousing standing ovations and fainting at the mere thought of a "depression" which they'll all eagerly welcome as the best news yet!

/nihilism mode on

408 gonecamping  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:14:47am

We shall discover there was a typo in a previous release....he wants to limit it to the top 50.00% not 5%

re: #360 vxbush

Does he follow the plan he laid out during the election of just hitting the top 5% of the wage earners?

409 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:14:51am

re: #368 Walter L. Newton

From the SanFran Gate article...

"The other half of the money for expanding health care — $318 billion — would come from curtailing payments to hospitals and insurance companies under Medicare and drug payments under Medicaid."

So, in general, he will be forcing Medicare/Medicaid out of the picture and require nationalized health care.

The transition from our current health care system to communist-style "universal" health care will be disastrous: Obama is actually CUTTING payments to hospitals and insurance companies BEFORE any national system is in place. So, during that years-long phase of transitioning, health care expenses borne by the patient will go through the roof, as hospitals and inncurance companies will have to jack up prices.

This proves beyond any doubt that Obama is doing what all clever revolutionaries do: They intentionally make things WORSE so that the public calls for a solution -- any solution -- to solve the crisis. And then the Great Leader steps in, offers socialism as the cure, and the people grab at it in desperation.

Obama truly is following the Gramscian playbook.

410 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:14:56am

re: #384 zombie

This is EXACTLY what McCain warned against. All "small business owners" will get slammed, layoffs will increase, unemployment will skyrocket, and the total tax revenue will DECREASE.

Heh.
The shortfall in tax revenue will be made up by other, new taxes. He's only got to ask Gord how to do it, when that man comes to visit him next month.

411 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:15:11am

re: #384 zombie

This is EXACTLY what McCain warned against. All "small business owners" will get slammed, layoffs will increase, unemployment will skyrocket, and the total tax revenue will DECREASE.

I wish he had followed that logic to its conclusion and hit Obama harder. He was too worried about being nice, and was not the fierce man he needed to be. So he lost, and we will all suffer because of that.

412 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:15:20am

re: #406 Dustyvet

Welcome to my world. :)

413 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:15:54am

re: #412 Chicago Blonde

Welcome to my world. :)

LOL...:)

414 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:16:09am

Officials: Pentagon OKs media photos of war dead

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

415 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:16:23am

re: #401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They found 11 bodies out in the desert. Appears to be hookers and other drug users.

Sounds cartel related. Things are getting bad down there.

416 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:16:29am

Is anyone else actually frightened? I'm starting to feel overwhelmed by everything they are doing and all the money they are spending...and they are just getting warmed up.

417 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:16:41am

re: #409 zombie

The transition from our current health care system to communist-style "universal" health care will be disastrous: Obama is actually CUTTING payments to hospitals and insurance companies BEFORE any national system is in place. So, during that years-long phase of transitioning, health care expenses borne by the patient will go through the roof, as hospitals and inncurance companies will have to jack up prices.

This proves beyond any doubt that Obama is doing what all clever revolutionaries do: They intentionally make things WORSE so that the public calls for a solution -- any solution -- to solve the crisis. And then the Great Leader steps in, offers socialism as the cure, and the people grab at it in desperation.

Obama truly is following the Gramscian playbook.

But how will this affect private insurance? Is he doing anything to force that down? Granted, private insurance will follow what Medicare/Medicaid do, so they will reduce their expenditures as a matter of course, because most follow whatever the government calls "usual and customary".

418 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:16:47am
419 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:17:14am

re: #407 Pyrocles

NPR will be all over that! They already love to play "Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?" and other Depression-era folk songs during transitions between stories... Need to constantly pound the "crisis" into their listeners.


420 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:17:22am

re: #403 Mithrax

Why on earth not? They seem to be handing it out for every other group. We need a name though.
Depressed
Or
Repressed
Kid sibling.

/Heck, we deserve it more than the idiots that buy $800k homes...

421 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:17:29am

re: #333 lurking faith

I know, it's crazy, eh?

422 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:17:50am
423 Beach Lover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:17:51am

Now he's reversed the practice so that we will be taking pictures of dead soldiers' coffins as they return from war.
This man is evil....he cannot be doing all this by himself. Someone is driving all this crap that is being forced down our throats in supersonic speed. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

424 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:17:59am

re: #409 zombie

The transition from our current health care system to communist-style "universal" health care will be disastrous: Obama is actually CUTTING payments to hospitals and insurance companies BEFORE any national system is in place. So, during that years-long phase of transitioning, health care expenses borne by the patient will go through the roof, as hospitals and inncurance companies will have to jack up prices.

This proves beyond any doubt that Obama is doing what all clever revolutionaries do: They intentionally make things WORSE so that the public calls for a solution -- any solution -- to solve the crisis. And then the Great Leader steps in, offers socialism as the cure, and the people grab at it in desperation.

Obama truly is following the Gramscian playbook.

As taxfreekiller is wont to point out, It's called Cloward - Piven. And its what Obama was trained in. Things will be bad.

425 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:18:07am

re: #415 Dark_Falcon

Sounds cartel related. Things are getting bad down there.

That's so true. Phoenix is now the #2 kidnapping city in the world, and now this in NM. California and Texas are next - although that's already starting as well.

It's time to put an end to this.

426 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:18:09am
427 BatGuano  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:18:12am

re: #406 Dustyvet

You have RC? I haven't seen RC in years. I'm in California.

428 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:18:33am

re: #368 Walter L. Newton

From the SanFran Gate article...

"The other half of the money for expanding health care — $318 billion — would come from curtailing payments to hospitals and insurance companies under Medicare and drug payments under Medicaid."

So, in general, he will be forcing Medicare/Medicaid out of the picture and require nationalized health care.

Bloody whoopdy doo. He wouldn't be cutting any costs, just replacing Medicare and Medicaid with Universal Health care and shifting costs.

Btw, Medicaid only pays 30 cents for every dollar spent.

Goodbye Biotech industry. Goodbye entire job sector.

429 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:18:51am

re: #416 capitalist piglet

Yes, I am actually. That's why I'm joking about sea kittens etc. It's a coping mechanism. I should be trying to write something but at this point I'm kind of stuck any way.

You're not the only one sweetie.

430 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:19:04am

re: #360 vxbush

Does he follow the plan he laid out during the election of just hitting the top 5% of the wage earners?

Hahahahahaha. You silly voters, you thought he meant it?
/this probably deserves a tag, but I'm not sure which kind

431 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:19:43am

re: #423 Beach Lover

Now he's reversed the practice so that we will be taking pictures of dead soldiers' coffins as they return from war.
This man is evil....he cannot be doing all this by himself. Someone is driving all this crap that is being forced down our throats in supersonic speed. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

I think people right now are simply too stunned to give voice to their outrage.

432 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:19:57am

re: #414 MJ

Officials: Pentagon OKs media photos of war dead

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Look for more heroism-free, soldier-as-victim stories, coming to an MSM outlet near you. Bastards.

433 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:20:13am

re: #341 zombie

$3.55 trillion? That's one shit-load of greenbacks.

How soon till hyperinflation kicks in?

434 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:20:15am

re: #398 FrogMarch

It will be interesting to see if the unprofessional slobbering leg tingle media will still carry Obama's water.

The media will absolutely carry Obama's water. They have invested far too much in getting him elected president to turn on him now.

435 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:20:19am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

I thought it was a great episode. Lots of story development. I'm bracing myself for next week, it looks like a crappy episode about the Jack, Kate, Sawyer love triangle.

I was really surprised Linus killed Locke last night. Ben hasn't been as evil lately, I'm glad he's back in form. Do you have a theory why he killed Locke after he mentioned Faraday's mom?

I'm also enjoying the hierarchy of knowledge that has developed. Faraday's mom seems to be the top, Linus and Faraday are the next tier, and the rest are more or less pawns. Very interesting.

Some interesting "facts" from, the episode, and my input.

1) The plane has landed on Hydra Island, the small companion Island where some of the survivors were taken prisoner in season 3. That's where Sawyer and Kate were locked in the polar bear cages. Do you remember that some of the "others," working on the Hydra Island, were trying to clear a runway? Plane was almost in one piece in last nights episode. Another proof that these damn writers had a lot of this plotted out.

2) Eloise Hawking is not working for Widmore. Yes, Widmore knows she is the head "time tender," but she is not working for him. It's probably his ex-wife no less and they are Daniel's parents. Widmore is still the bad guy. He needed an "in" to Mrs. Hawking and John is that in.

3) John needed to die, but Ben needed to find out as much as Ben could about what John was up to. When he got the info he needed, he killed him, because John needed to die. Going on the theme of point 4 below, ben is still doing good, for the overall benefit of "man." Sort of the Judas, who by some has been looked at as the one who helped Jesus fulfill his mission.

4) John was given the name "Jeremy Bentham," who felt that the utilitarian need of a group matters more than the need of a single person, just the opposite of "John Locke," both who were English contemporaries of each other.

436 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:20:24am

re: #420 Chicago Blonde

Why on earth not? They seem to be handing it out for every other group. We need a name though.
Depressed
Or
Repressed
Kid sibling.

/Heck, we deserve it more than the idiots that buy $800k homes...

"All I want is a room somewhere..."


437 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:20:26am
438 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:20:42am

re: #430 lurking faith

Hahahahahaha. You silly voters, you thought he meant it?
/this probably deserves a tag, but I'm not sure which kind

No, I know he's not. I'm trying to point out how obviously he was LYING and purposefully so during the election. Then, once in office, he didn't' give a sh!t what he said on the trail. Now we find out what he really wants: everything.

439 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:20:48am

OT: After 10 years of happy coexistence, my two cats (females,same litter) have fallen out. They started fighting a few days ago, and it has been escalating since. Now if they are in the same room for as much as one second they just fly at each other like bullets. It's pure hatred. I just separated them a few minutes ago(wasn't easy - like walking into a small tornado of claws, fur and blood). One is locked in my bedroom, screaming to get out and back into it. The other is sitting outside the door waiting for when the door opens.

440 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:21:13am

re: #359 Pvt Bin Jammin

And unfortunately, probably true. The Ketchum/Sun Valley area is pure moonbat territory. Not enough affordable housing for the working class. They have to be bussed in from Twin Falls and the surrounding area and the elitists want to keep it that way.

441 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:21:15am

re: #409 zombie

The transition from our current health care system to communist-style "universal" health care will be disastrous: Obama is actually CUTTING payments to hospitals and insurance companies BEFORE any national system is in place. So, during that years-long phase of transitioning, health care expenses borne by the patient will go through the roof, as hospitals and inncurance companies will have to jack up prices.

This proves beyond any doubt that Obama is doing what all clever revolutionaries do: They intentionally make things WORSE so that the public calls for a solution -- any solution -- to solve the crisis. And then the Great Leader steps in, offers socialism as the cure, and the people grab at it in desperation.

Obama truly is following the Gramscian playbook.

Cloward-Piven.

442 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:21:52am

re: #427 BatGuano

You have RC? I haven't seen RC in years. I'm in California.

They sell it here in two litre bottles for 99 cents...:)

443 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:05am

Seeing Obamas "Stimulus Plan" and now the things coming out about his "Budget", I don''t want to see his Nirth Certifikat, I want to see his math and economics grades from school !

444 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:10am

re: #439 Jimmah

I never really heard of that happening? What's going on?

445 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:16am

re: #379 yma o hyd

'They (Isreal) asked for it!'
Same as for women who get themselves raped.

/Do i need to?

no you dont need to. There is no sarcasm in truth.

446 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:29am

re: #441 MandyManners

Cloward-Piven.

Thank you for the link, Mandy. I've read this article, and it will scare you.

447 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:36am

re: #415 Dark_Falcon

Sounds cartel related. Things are getting bad down there.

one drug addicted hooker was "getting clean"....always a bad thing when you are of no use to your drug dealing pimp

448 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:39am

re: #439 Jimmah

I'd call the vet. Maybe they need a check up.

449 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:42am

re: #436 Dustyvet

Great bit. The mood I'm in I think Sweeney Todd fits better though.

450 Mithrax  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:43am

re: #420 Chicago Blonde

Ok, now I'm gonna have to think of a cool acronym.

451 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:45am

re: #426 ploome hineni

I hate McCain

yeah ,, cause this is SO much better !
///

452 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:48am

re: #417 vxbush

But how will this affect private insurance? Is he doing anything to force that down? Granted, private insurance will follow what Medicare/Medicaid do, so they will reduce their expenditures as a matter of course, because most follow whatever the government calls "usual and customary".

I presume the final picture will be like what they have in England:

You can have private medical care if you so choose, but it will be outrageously expensive -- at least double or triple what it costs today. Your only alternative will be to wait 72 hours in line in a miasmic emergency room reeking of TB and vomit.

453 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:22:51am

re: #439 Jimmah

OT: After 10 years of happy coexistence, my two cats (females,same litter) have fallen out. They started fighting a few days ago, and it has been escalating since. Now if they are in the same room for as much as one second they just fly at each other like bullets. It's pure hatred. I just separated them a few minutes ago(wasn't easy - like walking into a small tornado of claws, fur and blood). One is locked in my bedroom, screaming to get out and back into it. The other is sitting outside the door waiting for when the door opens.

OMG - how dreadful!
Could it be something hormonal?
Best to see the vet about this.

454 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:23:14am

re: #440 Bubblehead II

And unfortunately, probably true. The Ketchum/Sun Valley area is pure moonbat territory. Not enough affordable housing for the working class. They have to be bussed in from Twin Falls and the surrounding area and the elitists want to keep it that way.

We had friends who owned a home in Naples, Florida a few years back. They got out in time, because they saw the same problem: no housing for the folks who worked in all the service industry areas that made life "nice" for the upper end. Hours to get to and from work on buses, etc.

Communities must have a balance to prosper.

455 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:23:35am

re: #384 zombie

This is EXACTLY what McCain warned against. All "small business owners" will get slammed, layoffs will increase, unemployment will skyrocket, and the total tax revenue will DECREASE.

Just like every other time they've done it.

But don't worry, its sure to work this time!

/

456 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:23:35am

re: #427 BatGuano

re: #442 Dustyvet

They sell it here in two litre bottles for 99 cents...:)

Same here in Atlanta. BATGUANO ,, try Wal Mart

457 vxbush  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:23:44am

re: #441 MandyManners

Cloward-Piven.

Okay, I need to move my family to Israel. Now. Otherwise, I don't like the idea of what will happen to my son.

458 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:23:59am

re: #450 Mithrax

Forgot to highlight the first letter of each word going down...D.O.R.K.

459 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:24:01am

re: #452 zombie

I presume the final picture will be like what they have in England:

You can have private medical care if you so choose, but it will be outrageously expensive -- at least double or triple what it costs today. Your only alternative will be to wait 72 hours in line in a miasmic emergency room reeking of TB and vomit.

That's happening now in portions of CA thanks to Medi-Cal. Envision that on a national scale.

460 pupdawg  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:24:31am

The newly suggested 'war on freedom fighters' just doesn't have the same zing.

461 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:24:33am

re: #444 Nevergiveup

I've never seen this before either. The ferocity is quite scary - it's definitely not a normal cat fight, they are actually trying to kill each other.

462 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:24:36am

re: #420 Chicago Blonde

800k on a busdriver's salary. Why weren't they laughed out the door big time?

463 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:24:37am

re: #440 Bubblehead II

Unreal, isn't it. Sometimes I feel like I'm in the "Twilight Zone" these days.

464 lobo91  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:24:49am

re: #386 Racer X

They.
Will.
Blame.
Bush.

No repercussions whatsoever.

Hell, he did that in his little speech this morning. He talked about the "$1 trillion deficit we inherited from Bush," right before unveiling his plan to fix it with a $1.7 trillion deficit.

I also like the part about how the previous administration did stuff "off budget" so it made the true deficit look smaller. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the $700 billion TARP fund was in the budget, and neither was the almost $900 billion he just spent on the porkulus bill.

He's starting to remind me of the Joe Isuzu character from the old car ads.

465 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:24:58am

re: #417 vxbush

But how will this affect private insurance? Is he doing anything to force that down? Granted, private insurance will follow what Medicare/Medicaid do, so they will reduce their expenditures as a matter of course, because most follow whatever the government calls "usual and customary".

What will happen is that the hospitals will want more money so they can stay open. They'll either ask the governments or the insurance companies.
They will certainly jack up the prices for those without insurance, so the uninsured will be crying for "help".
If the hospitals have the clout (like in Massachusetts), the insurances will be forced to raise their payments and thus their rates.
More companies will drop health insurance, making more uninsured crying for help.
If the hospitals can't raise enough to cover the medicare and medicaid patients, they'll either refuse to take them, or they'll go out of business.

I'm just elaborating on the mechanism behind what Zombie said will happen.

466 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:25:09am

re: #400 Chicago Blonde

I predict they will until the bitter end.

I think so too. Rome will be burning, and the MSM will be blaming everyone but the untouchable One.

However, the voters will throw Obama out in 2012. I can feel it.

467 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:25:11am

re: #452 zombie

I presume the final picture will be like what they have in England:

You can have private medical care if you so choose, but it will be outrageously expensive -- at least double or triple what it costs today. Your only alternative will be to wait 72 hours in line in a miasmic emergency room reeking of TB and vomit.

For some reason I fell confident that we won't have the private insurance option.

Unless you are a member of congress.

468 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:25:11am

re: #393 vxbush

So I say again: WHERE ARE THE FOLKS SCREAMING ABOUT HOW OBAMA DIDN'T KEEP HIS WORD!?


Most of his constituency is probably angrier about his pre-empting American Idol than about his budget plan.

469 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:25:12am

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for the link, Mandy. I've read this article, and it will scare you.

Hey! Look a free mortgage!

/how to distract the masses.

470 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:25:23am

re: #341 zombie

Holy Mother of God, Obama just released his budget, and it's a mind-boggling catastrophe.

Welcome to the Second Great Depression:


That's it. He just hammered the final nail in our economy's coffin.

It's the Obamadepression. Make him own it.

471 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:25:30am

re: #449 Chicago Blonde

Great bit. The mood I'm in I think Sweeney Todd fits better though.

Now your talking...:)


472 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:25:40am

re: #448 MandyManners

They seem fine otherwise, but I'll keep a close eye on them.

473 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:25:44am

re: #465 Kosh's Shadow

What will happen is that the hospitals will want more money so they can stay open. They'll either ask the governments or the insurance companies.
They will certainly jack up the prices for those without insurance, so the uninsured will be crying for "help".
If the hospitals have the clout (like in Massachusetts), the insurances will be forced to raise their payments and thus their rates.
More companies will drop health insurance, making more uninsured crying for help.
If the hospitals can't raise enough to cover the medicare and medicaid patients, they'll either refuse to take them, or they'll go out of business.

I'm just elaborating on the mechanism behind what Zombie said will happen.

Private insurance will most likely be banned outright. Full stop.

474 Doda McCheesle  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:25:48am

Terrorism? Terrorism ain't nothin' but a word. And if I'm gonna die for a word, that word's gonna be....


poontang

475 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:26:29am

The War on America has now moved within our Borders. By our own President, no less.

476 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:26:37am

re: #452 zombie

I presume the final picture will be like what they have in England:

You can have private medical care if you so choose, but it will be outrageously expensive -- at least double or triple what it costs today. Your only alternative will be to wait 72 hours in line in a miasmic emergency room reeking of TB and vomit.

Och - TB and vomit aren't the worst. Its when you have the waiting room full of falling-over, bleeding, fighting obnoxious drunks when the true depth of State Medical care hits you ...

In its defense, I have to say that once you're in the actual system, the care for really bad illnesses and diseases is outstanding.
For minor, every-day stuff - not so much ...

477 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:26:40am

re: #474 Doda McCheesle

Terrorism? Terrorism ain't nothin' but a word. And if I'm gonna die for a word, that word's gonna be....


poontang

Remind me never to date the same women you do!

478 Lee Coller  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:26:44am

re: #78 OldLineTexan

Is there a fighter pilot anywhere that we can elect President? Someone with a miserly streak would work.

Actually we elected one in 2000, and again in 2004. In 1988 we had elected a former bomber pilot.

479 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:26:57am

re: #441 MandyManners

From your link:


First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

Sounds exactly like Obama's current agenda...

In their 1966 article, Cloward and Piven charged that the ruling classes used welfare to weaken the poor; that by providing a social safety net, the rich doused the fires of rebellion. Poor people can advance only when "the rest of society is afraid of them," Cloward told The New York Times on September 27, 1970. Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation; poor people would rise in revolt; only then would "the rest of society" accept their demands.

The key to sparking this rebellion would be to expose the inadequacy of the welfare state. Cloward-Piven's early promoters cited radical organizer Saul Alinsky as their inspiration. "Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1972 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one.

3.55 Trillian updings for that, Mandy. One for every fucking dollar Obama is spending.

480 godfrey  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:27:32am

re: #341 zombie

Tapper has this breakdown on the O's new taxes:

1) On people making more than $250,000.

$338 billion - Bush tax cuts expire
$179 billlion - eliminate itemized deduction
$118 billion - capital gains tax hike

Total: $636 billion/10 years

2) Businesses:

$17 billion - Reinstate Superfund taxes
$24 billion - tax carried-interest as income
$5 billion - codify "economic substance doctrine"
$61 billion - repeal LIFO
$210 billion - international enforcement, reform deferral, other tax reform
$4 billion - information reporting for rental payments
$5.3 billion - excise tax on Gulf of Mexico oil and gas
$3.4 billion - repeal expensing of tangible drilling costs
$62 million - repeal deduction for tertiary injectants
$49 million - repeal passive loss exception for working interests in oil and natural gas properties
$13 billion - repeal manufacturing tax deduction for oil and natural gas companies
$1 billion - increase to 7 years geological and geophysical amortization period for independent producers
$882 million - eliminate advanced earned income tax credit

Total: $353 billion/10 years

A pro-business guy, clearly. Just what we need to get the economy cooking again is crushing taxes.

Obama and his pals are just bent on destruction, plain and simple. There's no other explanation. If you want to construct massive disincentives for business, here's your plan.

481 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:27:36am

re: #462 Eowyn2

/Because they caaaaaaaaare.

Some of the comments on MM's website about that and the OctoMom enraged me - a couple trolls saying we were heartless for being upset about that. Nobody said they had to live in the freaking streets! Just don't buy more house than you can afford! What's so hard about that?

482 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:27:45am

re: #475 acwgusa

The War on America has now moved within our Borders. By our own President, no less.

soon the 2nd will be under pressure again...I hate to fear monger but I'm really nervous

483 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:27:47am

re: #453 yma o hyd

Ah...that sounds plausible. I'll ask the vet.

484 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:27:53am

re: #470 Honorary Yooper

It's the Obamadepression. Make him own it.

Good idea. Upding and favorited.

485 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:28:01am

There is not a doubt in my mind that when the shit really hits the fan, the "We can't win in Iraq, cant fight terrorism" crowd will have no qualms about ordering troops to attack their fellow citizens.

486 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:28:14am
487 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:28:17am

re: #479 Kenneth

From your link:

3.55 Trillian updings for that, Mandy. One for every fucking dollar Obama is spending.

The disarmament of general society would have to come into play before that happens. As I have said, imaginative people will still have weaponry.

488 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:28:35am

re: #433 Kenneth

$3.55 trillion? That's one shit-load of greenbacks.

How soon till hyperinflation kicks in?

In 5.... 4.... 3.... 2.......

489 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:28:43am

re: #480 godfrey

Obama is a pro-business as Hoover and FDR were. That is to say, he is anti-business.

It'll be a long four years of the Obamadepression.

490 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:28:48am

re: #474 Doda McCheesle

This lizardoid's name does not seem to exist in the LGF repository.

491 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:29:05am

A Russian man died after guzzling a bottle of Viagra to keep him going for a 12-hour orgy with two female pals.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

If you gotta go!

492 Doda McCheesle  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:29:05am

re: #247 zombie

Perhaps said imaginary player would have asked for "consensus"... "Can we just a moment for consensus"...

(ala NYU)

493 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:29:10am

re: #486 Iron Fist

Don't beat around the bush. Try to get in touch with your feelings... what are you really thinking?

494 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:29:12am

re: #474 Doda McCheesle

*whack*

495 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:29:38am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

As taxfreekiller is wont to point out, It's called Cloward - Piven. And its what Obama was trained in. Things will be bad.

Just reading about the Cloward-Pliven Strategy. Very very scary. Yes, that is exactly what Obama is doing and Cloward-Pliven is a concrete specific example of how Gramscianism works. (Or is supposed to work.)

But as we witnessed in the Soviet Union from 1923 to 1989, that system ultimately collapses because there is no underlying generation of wealth, once you have destroyed the middle and upper classes.

Obama is taking down a road that we already know leads off of a cliff.

We may just have to take a swan dive, hit bottom, and spend a century climbing up again.

496 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:29:39am

BBIAB

497 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:29:47am

re: #494 MandyManners

*whack*

*brick*

498 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:29:48am

re: #490 MandyManners

This lizardoid's name does not seem to exist in the LGF repository.

But on a positive note, it CAN be downdinged!

499 gonecamping  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:29:48am

No, he will have to be carried out. He plans on staying and will probably cling to the furniture with both arms like a recalcitrant child refusing to go to bed at bedtime.

re: #466 FrogMarch

I think so too. Rome will be burning, and the MSM will be blaming everyone but the untouchable One.

However, the voters will throw Obama out in 2012. I can feel it.

500 Walahi  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:29:53am

re: #265 Dustyvet

Nothing to worry about, "The One" will talk to it, and tell the Monster all about Hope and Change. And the Monster will die a slow death of boredom.
/S

sorry, i was playing catch up and read that...made me laugh outloud and now everyone's looking at me!

501 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:30:15am

re: #491 Nevergiveup

A Russian man died after guzzling a bottle of Viagra to keep him going for a 12-hour orgy with two female pals.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

If you gotta go!

Well, one cannot accuse him of not dying happy.

502 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:30:21am
503 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:30:27am

re: #485 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is not a doubt in my mind that when the shit really hits the fan, the "We can't win in Iraq, cant fight terrorism" crowd will have no qualms about ordering troops to attack their fellow citizens.

they are already a violent bunch willing to disregard the law whenever it fits their agenda...ACORN squatting for example

504 transient  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:30:28am

I'm already starting to wonder whether, in 4 years, when Obama is still trying to blame the ongoing economic crisis on Bush, people will still believe him.

(The only number I'm really interested in is whether it would be enough to reelect him.)

505 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:30:36am

re: #452 zombie

I presume the final picture will be like what they have in England:

You can have private medical care if you so choose, but it will be outrageously expensive -- at least double or triple what it costs today. Your only alternative will be to wait 72 hours in line in a miasmic emergency room reeking of TB and vomit.

Precisely.

The socialist/fascist democrats will never consider what we do need:
A Private health care industry with open competitive insurance options.

506 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:30:43am

re: #491 Nevergiveup

A Russian man died after guzzling a bottle of Viagra to keep him going for a 12-hour orgy with two female pals.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

If you gotta go!

One of the questions the Paramedics asked me last week was if I had taken any male enhancement drugs

507 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:31:04am

Has anyone (with a stronger stomach than mine) looked at the market lately?

508 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:31:13am

re: #500 Walahi

sorry, i was playing catch up and read that...made me laugh outloud and now everyone's looking at me!

Lower the cone of silence...:)

509 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:31:14am

re: #435 Walter L. Newton


Sort of the Judas, who by some has been looked at as the one who helped Jesus fulfill his mission.


Interesting.

510 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:31:28am

re: #495 zombie


Obama is taking down a road that we already know leads off of a cliff.

We may just have to take a swan dive, hit bottom, and spend a century climbing up again.

A century? More like a millenium.
The new Dark Ages.

511 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:31:42am

re: #507 capitalist piglet

Has anyone (with a stronger stomach than mine) looked at the market lately?

DOW up 22.0

512 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:31:44am

re: #431 yma o hyd

I think people right now are simply too stunned to give voice to their outrage.

i think you're right. people are sitting w/ the fact that they are not going to be rewarded for all their hard work, but rather they will be penalized for being responsible. this is stopping people in their tracks. it is so counter to the philosophy that has made america great. it is almost impossible to believe.
and it is so shocking to watch lazy malcontents beg for free stuff from O, who we know will provide it w/ our taxes.
it really is overwhelming.
(how many people are feeling like fools for working 24/7 to pay their mortgages off)

513 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:31:47am

re: #507 capitalist piglet

Has anyone (with a stronger stomach than mine) looked at the market lately?

Dow up 20 nasdq down 9

514 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:31:51am

re: #485 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is not a doubt in my mind that when the shit really hits the fan, the "We can't win in Iraq, cant fight terrorism" crowd will have no qualms about ordering troops to attack their fellow citizens.

They can't really do that, can they?
Troops wouldn't stand for it, I'm sure!

515 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:31:55am
516 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:32:06am

re: #504 transient

I'm already starting to wonder whether, in 4 years, when Obama is still trying to blame the ongoing economic crisis on Bush, people will still believe him.

(The only number I'm really interested in is whether it would be enough to reelect him.)

I am already starting to wonder whether, in four years, America will exist. Seriously.

517 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:32:24am

re: #441 MandyManners

Cloward-Piven.

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for the link, Mandy. I've read this article, and it will scare you.

I am afraid.

518 pupdawg  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:32:31am

re: #4 Kosh's Shadow

And the NY Slimes wonders why their paper costs more than their stock.

Their paper can't even be used for bird cage liner or puppy crate liner, because it is already covered in shit.

Take a step back and see the big picture...the soon-to-be Socialist States of America will need a state-run, printed-media outlet for the government's propaganda and unbelievably, the NYT already fills that bill...so, with the billions to come for their continuing allegiance what matter the NYT value or worth today. Stock holders of yore will find other areas to serve the state and the czar.

519 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:32:41am

re: #415 Dark_Falcon

Sounds cartel related. Things are getting bad down there.

That is common here in Phoenix. Every year they find people that have been executed in the desert. They find 100's of illegals each year in the desert that die from the heat too.

Last year, there were over 300 kidnappings in Phoenix that the cops are positive are a result of Mexican drug cartels. We have to do something about Mexico or it is going to get worse here and even worse down there. Right now, they are buying off all the officals and killing off the ones that do not take the bribes. It is a mess.

520 Doda McCheesle  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:32:42am

re: #490 MandyManners

This lizardoid's name does not seem to exist in the LGF repository.

Huh? Repository? I guess that's better than if I appeared in a suppository...

BTW- #474 was paraphrasing a scene from the movie "Full Metal Jacket"...

521 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:32:52am
522 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:32:53am

re: #490 MandyManners

This lizardoid's name does not seem to exist in the LGF repository.

Yeah...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

523 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:32:56am
524 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:33:01am

re: #513 Nevergiveup

Dow up 20 nasdq down 9

The Dow's fallen from its high today. Expect it to close in negative territory.

525 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:33:15am

re: #421 Kenneth

LOL

The system for "non-disadvantaged" home buyers in the US is sort of similar - if you buy a house with less than 20% down, you have to pay mortgage insurance until you reach 20% equity. So you need a better income to make up for the lack of a proper down payment, even beyond the higher mortgage amount.

526 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:33:35am

re: #479 Kenneth

From your link:

3.55 Trillian updings for that, Mandy. One for every fucking dollar Obama is spending.

The worst thing is that I can't fully talk about counters to that strategy. The most I can say here is to assemble cadre of people who know what is going on and can reassure their friends and neighbors and thus see to it that they stand firm. Other than the usual advice about electing the right people, I need to say that some counter-tactics would carry a certainty of violent confrontation and thus talking about them might risk violating the forum rules. Thus I am going to stop here.

527 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:33:39am

re: #384 zombie

This is EXACTLY what McCain warned against. All "small business owners" will get slammed, layoffs will increase, unemployment will skyrocket, and the total tax revenue will DECREASE.

I expect a Nationalization of certain small (and large) businesses.
The Universal Health Care is just the pre-amble. If we do not stop this then there will be Universal Heat & Power followed by Universal Housing Equality (with construction workers being forced into a nationwide union) a Food Care program with the base of the food industry being nationalized - farms, orchards, etc becoming national properties. Once the housing and food industries are nationalized, nothing will be left.

528 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:33:52am

re: #501 Honorary Yooper

Well, one cannot accuse him of not dying happy.

[Link: www.oz-q.com...]

Image: i-eated-a-viagra.jpg

529 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:34:00am

re: #441 MandyManners

Cloward-Piven.

Rham admitted this crisis was an opportunity.

530 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:34:05am

re: #504 transient

I'm already starting to wonder whether, in 4 years, when Obama is still trying to blame the ongoing economic crisis on Bush, people will still believe him.

(The only number I'm really interested in is whether it would be enough to reelect him.)

There won't be anyone else to vote for. Or at least, the MFMSM won't cover anyone who isn't completely loony, just for entertainment value.

We're already down to 1 1/2 parties; in a couple more years, there will be nothing but a token opposition, kept around to give the illusion of choice of government.

I'm feeling cheery today. I guess I already have the 0bamadepression.

531 Racer X  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:34:14am

The government encourages banks to loan money to people who cannot afford to buy a house. Banks collapse when loans are not paid. Government bails out the banks.

The government decides the way to fix this is to spend money it does not have on projects we do not need.

See the pattern?

532 Rancher  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:34:36am

re: #165 Honorary Yooper

Komrade, you don't need interest and tax deductions when you rent your home from the People's Republic.

You talking about China? Chinese Scoop Up SoCal Foreclosures

533 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:34:40am

re: #529 FrogMarch

Rham admitted this crisis was an opportunity.

*shiver*

534 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:34:50am

re: #517 zombie

I am afraid.

It's come true on voting.

535 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:35:09am

re: #504 transient

I'm already starting to wonder whether, in 4 years, when Obama is still trying to blame the ongoing economic crisis on Bush, people will still believe him.

(The only number I'm really interested in is whether it would be enough to reelect him.)

Some people will definitely believe him! Not all, but certainly some.
After all, some people here in the UK are still blaming Maggie for everything - and she resigned in 1992 ...

536 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:35:26am

re: #521 taxfreekiller

Of something of a cheers note:

Obama will have fewer liars a lying soon.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Not a financial guy, but the article talks about cutting dividends. Okay, doesn't that just lead folks to a) get out of Gannett and look for better investments, or b) just not invest in Gannett?

In other words, just creating a downward spiral?

537 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:35:48am
538 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:35:56am

re: #485 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is not a doubt in my mind that when the shit really hits the fan, the "We can't win in Iraq, cant fight terrorism" crowd will have no qualms about ordering troops to attack their fellow citizens.

Our troops would mutiny before that happens

539 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:35:58am

re: #527 Eowyn2

I expect a Nationalization of certain small (and large) businesses.
The Universal Health Care is just the pre-amble. If we do not stop this then there will be Universal Heat & Power followed by Universal Housing Equality (with construction workers being forced into a nationwide union) a Food Care program with the base of the food industry being nationalized - farms, orchards, etc becoming national properties. Once the housing and food industries are nationalized, nothing will be left.

And we go down the same tubes as Zimbabwe and North Korea.
Complete with leader worship.

540 J.S.  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:36:20am

BTW, some Swedes are setting fires to supermarkets (they're arsonists)...and Why? 'Cause they hate Amerikkkans...(Where's all that Obama love, eh?) article here...

541 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:36:30am

re: #527 Eowyn2

I expect a Nationalization of certain small (and large) businesses.
The Universal Health Care is just the pre-amble. If we do not stop this then there will be Universal Heat & Power followed by Universal Housing Equality (with construction workers being forced into a nationwide union) a Food Care program with the base of the food industry being nationalized - farms, orchards, etc becoming national properties. Once the housing and food industries are nationalized, nothing will be left.

I think there would be a riotous uprising in this county before that happened.

542 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:36:58am

Taliban immune to hopenchange.....
Taliban killed spy as gift to Barack Obama, say Pakistani police

A note found on the body of the man, identified as Shafiq Gul, said he was "spying for the US".

"Whoever spies for the US will face the same fate. This is a gift to (US President Barack) Obama," the note said.

543 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:36:58am

re: #439 Jimmah

OT: After 10 years of happy coexistence, my two cats (females,same litter) have fallen out. They started fighting a few days ago, and it has been escalating since. Now if they are in the same room for as much as one second they just fly at each other like bullets. It's pure hatred. I just separated them a few minutes ago(wasn't easy - like walking into a small tornado of claws, fur and blood). One is locked in my bedroom, screaming to get out and back into it. The other is sitting outside the door waiting for when the door opens.

take them in and have them declawed. Is there a new tom in the neighborhood?

544 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:37:08am

re: #504 transient

I'm already starting to wonder whether, in 4 years, when Obama is still trying to blame the ongoing economic crisis on Bush, people will still believe him.

(The only number I'm really interested in is whether it would be enough to reelect him.)

He will say that enough hasn't been done, more vigorous action needs to be take.

545 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:37:20am

re: #529 FrogMarch

Very ironically this is exactly the sort of strategy Naomi Klein wrote about in her book paranoid screed "Shock Doctrine", only she accused the dreaded neo-cons of taking advantage of crises (9-11 & Hurricane Katrina) and using shock & awe tactics to push through their nefarious plots.

546 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:37:24am

re: #485 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is not a doubt in my mind that when the shit really hits the fan, the "We can't win in Iraq, cant fight terrorism" crowd will have no qualms about ordering troops to attack their fellow citizens.

And those same troops will say NO.

547 DisturbedEma  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:38:06am

re: #540 J.S.

BTW, some Swedes are setting fires to supermarkets (they're arsonists)...and Why? 'Cause they hate Amerikkkans...(Where's all that Obama love, eh?) article here...


Yeah, and the Jewish Medicare Bubbes are getting their benefits cut as well. . .CHANGE!

548 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:38:17am
549 godfrey  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:38:25am

re: #533 Chicago Blonde

All crises are opportunities.

550 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:38:50am

re: #539 Kosh's Shadow

And we go down the same tubes as Zimbabwe and North Korea.
Complete with leader worship.

Robert Mugabe for secretary of Agriculture!

551 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:39:02am

re: #512 nyc redneck

i think you're right. people are sitting w/ the fact that they are not going to be rewarded for all their hard work, but rather they will be penalized for being responsible. this is stopping people in their tracks. it is so counter to the philosophy that has made america great. it is almost impossible to believe.
and it is so shocking to watch lazy malcontents beg for free stuff from O, who we know will provide it w/ our taxes.
it really is overwhelming.
(how many people are feeling like fools for working 24/7 to pay their mortgages off)

It is - and many, like the ederly, are too tired to fight. They see what is going on, they know they are robbed of everything while feckless layabouts get for free, for what they have had to work hard for all their lives.

Here, we can't wait for the next election. Unfortunately its up to Gord to fix the date.
You have the advantage that you can start fighting back right now, working for a change in 20210 and 2012.

552 krisstingle  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:39:03am

re: #150 Gretchen

I heard on the news they are planning to get rid of mortgage interest deductions. And deductions on property tax. That will do wonders for the housing market, especially in high priced areas or areas where people bought second homes.

We. Are. Screwed.


Bet ya that would have a big impact on the next election. He'll probably do that in his second term, if THAT happens.

553 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:39:13am

re: #538 Leonidas Hoplite

Our troops would mutiny before that happens

Here's the oath folks take (except the National Guard - theirs is a bit different):

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

The primary focus - i.e. first requirement - is to support and defend the Constitution. Of course you swear to obey the orders of the Commander in Chief, but the primary duty is to the Constitution.

Thank God.

554 DisturbedEma  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:39:18am

re: #542 Killgore Trout

Taliban immune to hopenchange.....
Taliban killed spy as gift to Barack Obama, say Pakistani police

Whoa. . .just wow, how sick. . .

555 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:39:30am

re: #549 godfrey

All crises are opportunities.


Crises are opportunities for the public as well, not just governments.

556 Beach Lover  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:39:46am

re: #503 albusteve

oh...but did you hear O'Reilly last night?! he's gonna be all over the first indication that any stimulis $$ is used for ACORN.
/what a jerk ...I'm sure the messiah is shaking in his boots that O'Reilly might be watching over his shoulder

557 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:39:51am

re: #514 yma o hyd

They can't really do that, can they?
Troops wouldn't stand for it, I'm sure!

Mechanisms were put in place during Bush's term allowing the Federal Government to deploy armed troops inside the US due to events like 9/11 or to assist security after Katerina.

558 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:40:10am

re: #512 nyc redneck

(how many people are feeling like fools for working 24/7 to pay their mortgages off)

Me.

559 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:40:15am

re: #544 Leonidas Hoplite

He will say that enough hasn't been done, more vigorous action needs to be take.

There are huge reserves of KoolAid for the MSM and the LooneyLeftBlogs and 527's all ready for 2012. Even if Obama proves himself to be the worst President since Jimmah....who will the Republicans run against him?

560 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:40:19am

re: #543 Eowyn2

take them in and have them declawed. Is there a new tom in the neighborhood?

I wouldn't have cats that old declawed. It would too traumatic. I'd look for a specialist. They have people know who might be able to help. Failing that, I'd have to say give one cat to a friend for a time.

561 JustABill  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:40:25am

re: #70 bolivar

Problem is we are going down with this assclown and I don't want to go for the ride. Can I get off the bus?

Not off, only under...

562 DisturbedEma  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:40:32am

re: #543 Eowyn2

take them in and have them declawed. Is there a new tom in the neighborhood?

My thoughs too. . .or some new situation that would bring about a turf battle?

563 godfrey  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:40:36am

re: #555 acwgusa

Sure, but the public is always harder to mobilize. With administrative units, you issue a few directives, restructure funding priorities, and you're cooking.

564 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:40:43am

re: #560 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn't have cats that old declawed. It would too traumatic. I'd look for a specialist. They have people know who might be able to help. Failing that, I'd have to say give one cat to a friend for a time.

Kitty Prozac!

565 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:40:58am

re: #537 Iron Fist

Oh, that is clearly Israel's fault. They have provoked the poor Iranians into a radical expression of the Peace of Islam. Now if Israel launches a counterstrike then that is evil.

unfortunately, you are correct.

566 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:41:02am

OT: Yo Charles... Walter Mossberg at Wall Street Journal Online is favorably impressed with your new toy (Kindle 2). I'd link to the piece, but for some reason it keeps hanging up when I try to.

567 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:41:14am

re: #549 godfrey

They're using it as an opportunity to filet us.

I've sent info on Cloward-Piven to my friends, and heard nothing from them. I suspect they think it's too crazy. And I wonder how much of this mess got started with too many people thinking "oh, they could never do thaaaaaat to uuuuuusssssss."

568 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:41:15am

re: #515 ploome hineni

Nobama and the Dems will be voted out in 2 years

Nice dream, Won't happen

Too many people will owe the dems too many paybacks from this stimulus package for them to be ousted in 2 years. Also, it will take the Republicans longer than that to re-establish under Steele.

569 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:41:19am

re: #546 ConservatismNow!

And those same troops will say NO.

Wont stop them trying it.

570 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:41:40am

re: #560 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn't have cats that old declawed. It would too traumatic. I'd look for a specialist. They have people know who might be able to help. Failing that, I'd have to say give one cat to a friend for a time.

Tendonectomies are not as traumatic as traditional de-clawing.

571 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:41:48am

re: #545 Kenneth

Very ironically this is exactly the sort of strategy Naomi Klein wrote about in her book paranoid screed "Shock Doctrine", only she accused the dreaded neo-cons of taking advantage of crises (9-11 & Hurricane Katrina) and using shock & awe tactics to push through their nefarious plots.

the left suffer major projection issues. Everything they fear about the dreaded "neo-con right" is nothing compared to the reality perpetrated by their own neo-fascist left.

572 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:42:08am

re: #454 subsailor68

Or a large chunk of free Federal (Taxpayer) funds. :-(

573 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:42:20am

re: #540 J.S.

From your link:

The group 'Global Intifada' has previously claimed responsibility for smaller fires at two other stores in Sodertalje and has urged people to set fire to stores selling American goods.

Swedish youts?

574 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:42:29am

re: #564 acwgusa

Kitty Prozac!

I hope its that simple. Probably not though.

575 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:42:36am

re: #563 godfrey

Sure, but the public is always harder to mobilize. With administrative units, you issue a few directives, restructure funding priorities, and you're cooking.

Yeah, I wish. Bureaucracy is its own worst enemy. Ask me how I know!

/Put this request for funds in triplicate, have it signed off by three managers, then it will go into the queue for director approval and review.

/Argggh!

576 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:42:37am

The NASA nutjob James Hansen has stepped in it again:

NASA's Chief Climate Scientist Stirs Controversy With Call for Civil Disobedience

577 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:43:08am

re: #542 Killgore Trout

Taliban immune to hopenchange.....
Taliban killed spy as gift to Barack Obama, say Pakistani police

Aww - PB0 hasn't had time yet amongst all those crisis to address them properly.
He will send them some $$$, for sure - and then they'll stop ...


////

578 Wishing  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:43:38am

Well, from now on I will be referring to the current president as Czar. Or Tzar? or heck, how about der Fuhrer?>

579 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:43:41am

Report: Bishop who had denied Holocaust apologizes

"...Observing these consequences I can truthfully say that I regret having made such remarks," Williamson was quoted as saying in a statement carried by the Zenit Catholic news agency.
"If I had known beforehand the full harm and hurt to which they would give rise, especially to the church, but also to survivors and relatives of victims of injustice under the Third Reich, I would not have made them," Williamson added, according to Zenit.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Anyone believe him?

580 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:43:44am

"The future's comin', and there's no place to hide!"

581 DisturbedEma  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:43:52am

re: #576 Ward Cleaver

The NASA nutjob James Hansen has stepped in it again:

NASA's Chief Climate Scientist Stirs Controversy With Call for Civil Disobedience

CHANGE you can beat people for not believing. . .

582 OldLineTexan  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:43:53am

re: #566 Occasional Reader

OT: Yo Charles... Walter Mossberg at Wall Street Journal Online is favorably impressed with your new toy (Kindle 2). I'd link to the piece, but for some reason it keeps hanging up when I try to.

SHOOT YER MOSSBERG!

/good last name

583 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:44:43am

re: #573 Kenneth

From your link:

Swedish youts?

With a name like "Global Intifada" I'd say so. Either Muslims or useful idiots.

584 zombie  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:44:44am

re: #573 Kenneth

re: #540 J.S.

From your link:

The group 'Global Intifada' has previously claimed responsibility for smaller fires at two other stores in Sodertalje and has urged people to set fire to stores selling American goods.


Swedish youts?

Globalze the Intifada!

585 DisturbedEma  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:44:45am

re: #579 MJ

Report: Bishop who had denied Holocaust apologizes


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Anyone believe him?


Yes, the CHURCH is truly the victim. . .fucking a!

586 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:44:48am

re: #548 taxfreekiller

Desert Dog

to find the stats on the kidnappings

do not search for kidnappings

the Justice Dept. and the F.B.I. , Homeland Security, even the BP now
use

hostage
hostages
hostage takers

they also only count it as one hostage taking when there are 30
hostages,,, you see the wage slaves do not rate a full use of the
big words ,, like kidnapping....

The Government lies with a foul intent.

They are all usually extortion related. People that got smuggled over the border and now the Coyotes want more. They threaten to kill the people here unless the people back in Mexico pay more. And, they will kill or maim without hesitation. Or, they find a rich "mark" and grab the guy for cash too. The police here are certain there were probably double the reported amount of kidnappings like this last year. They do not talk to the cops, because the drug cartels will KILL them if they do.

Phoenix Kidnapping Capitol

587 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:45:06am

re: #467 Leonidas Hoplite

For some reason I fell confident that we won't have the private insurance option.
Unless you are a member of congress.

I seem to recall that under Hillary's failed attempt back in the '90's, getting supplemental private insurance was going to be illegal.
If that was the thinking back then, there is no reason to believe that the current bunch would be any less draconian.......
Totalitarians willl always be totalitarian.

588 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:45:40am

"Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But, there they are."

589 DisturbedEma  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:45:52am

BTW- Adara and Adira are now over a month old. . .6 weeks to be exact, and over the weekend they both smiled for the first time:)

590 tfc3rid  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:46:09am

According to Sen. DeMint, a backdoor Fairness Doctrine legislation passes the Senate a little while ago...

Calls for 'the contents of media should reflect the diversity of America." Durbin Amendment

Sen. DeMint offered a piece of legislation to officiall ban the 'Fairness Doctrine'... He says it looks like it will pass...

591 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:46:12am

I'm trying to figure out what I, personally, can do about any of this. I think I'll call the Washington State Republican Party today, and get involved. I'm tired of merely expressing my fear. I have to start fighting for my country with more than just my money and my vote.

592 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:46:39am

Anyone I mentioned Cloward-Piven to would refuse to talk to me ever again, thinking I've gone completely insane.

I want that to be nothing but a crazy conspiracy theory, myself... But, heh, it looks pretty damn plausible knowing Obama's factual background.

re: #567 Chicago Blonde

They're using it as an opportunity to filet us.

I've sent info on Cloward-Piven to my friends, and heard nothing from them. I suspect they think it's too crazy. And I wonder how much of this mess got started with too many people thinking "oh, they could never do thaaaaaat to uuuuuusssssss."

593 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:46:42am

re: #579 MJ

Report: Bishop who had denied Holocaust apologizes

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Anyone believe him?

I don't believe him.

594 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:46:46am

re: #495 zombie

Just reading about the Cloward-Pliven Strategy. Very very scary. Yes, that is exactly what Obama is doing and Cloward-Pliven is a concrete specific example of how Gramscianism works. (Or is supposed to work.)

But as we witnessed in the Soviet Union from 1923 to 1989, that system ultimately collapses because there is no underlying generation of wealth, once you have destroyed the middle and upper classes.

Obama is taking down a road that we already know leads off of a cliff.

We may just have to take a swan dive, hit bottom, and spend a century climbing up again.

If we had an education system that was worth a shit we wouldn't have to be re-inventing the wheel here. And I shudder to think what the cost of this new history lesson will be.

595 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:47:00am

re: #581 DisturbedEma

CHANGE you can beat people for not believing. . .

Cloward - Piven at work and this time from inside the halls of power. Words fail to capture my feelings now.

596 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:47:04am

re: #560 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn't have cats that old declawed. It would too traumatic. I'd look for a specialist. They have people know who might be able to help. Failing that, I'd have to say give one cat to a friend for a time.

Or give them both to an enemy?

597 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:47:10am

re: #480 godfrey

And you notice that some of his very favorite business targets for higher taxes are in energy. He said he wants to make energy prohibitively expensive, and he's already working on it.

598 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:47:11am

re: #587 LGoPs

Probably.

But some animals will certainly be more equal than others...

599 J.S.  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:47:13am

re: #573 Kenneth

Yeah, one has to wonder -- could it be those Quakers up to no good again?

600 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:47:17am

re: #463 Pvt Bin Jammin

I don't even stop there anymore. If you aren't well heeled they look at you like you are some sort of alien. But once you get over Galena Summit the people return to normal

601 Rancher  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:47:21am

re: #538 Leonidas Hoplite

Our troops would mutiny before that happens

True, the left will never own the military.

602 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:47:35am

OC Man Discussed Jihad, Domestic Terror: CAIR Angered

Special Agent Thomas J. Ropel III testified at a bail hearing for Niazi that the defendant had been secretly recorded by an informant while initiating jihadist rhetoric and threatening to blow up abandoned buildings.

[And] attacks on Orange County shopping centers, military installations and court buildings.


...
But this is CAIR, so you're pretty much already prepared to learn that their outrage had nothing to do with an alleged terror sympathizer among them. What outraged CAIR?

Ayloush said he was "100% sure" that Monteilh was the informant in question and expressed anger and disappointment that the FBI would infiltrate mosques.

603 godfrey  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:47:37am

re: #591 capitalist piglet

I'm signing up, too. Get the House back in 2010, and kick out Obama in '12. First things first.

604 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:47:57am

re: #598 Chicago Blonde

Probably.

But some animals will certainly be more equal than others...

You're not my daughter are you...?

:)

605 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:48:14am

re: #566 Occasional Reader

OT: Yo Charles... Walter Mossberg at Wall Street Journal Online is favorably impressed with your new toy (Kindle 2). I'd link to the piece, but for some reason it keeps hanging up when I try to.

Is this it?

606 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:48:22am

re: #597 lurking faith

And you notice that some of his very favorite business targets for higher taxes are in energy. He said he wants to make energy prohibitively expensive, and he's already working on it.

We'll all be living like the Beverly Hillbillies before they struck oil soon?

607 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:48:24am

re: #576 Ward Cleaver

The NASA nutjob James Hansen has stepped in it again:

NASA's Chief Climate Scientist Stirs Controversy With Call for Civil Disobedience

[Link: www.capitolclimateaction.com...]

I wouldn't be shocked to find out that this group is funded by Soros.

In 2006, Hansen accused the Bush Administration of attempting to censor him. The issue stemmed from an email sent by a 23-year old NASA public affairs intern. It warned Hansen over repeated violations of NASA's official press policy, which requires the agency be notified prior to interviews. Hansen claimed he was being "silenced," despite delivering over 1,400 interviews in recent years, including 15 the very month he made the claim. While he admits to violating the NASA press policy, Hansen states he had a "constitutional right" to grant interviews. Hansen then began a barrage of public appearances on TV, radio and in lecture halls decrying the politicization of climate science.

Turns out he was right. Science was being politicized. By him.

A report revealed just this week, shows the 'Open Society Institute' funded Hansen to the tune of $720,000, carefully orchestrating his entire media campaign. OSI, a political group which spent $74 million in 2006 to "shape public policy," is funded by billionaire George Soros, the largest backer of Kerry's 2004 Presidential Campaign. Soros, who once declared that "removing Bush from office was the "central focus" of his life, has also given tens of millions of dollars to MoveOn.Org and other political action groups.

SNIP

608 krisstingle  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:48:26am

re: #579 MJ

Report: Bishop who had denied Holocaust apologizes


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Anyone believe him?


Yes he's sorry for himself !

609 DisturbedEma  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:48:36am

re: #596 Nevergiveup

Or give them both to an enemy?

He's set on a dog, but nice try. . .:)

610 Racer X  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:48:37am

re: #576 Ward Cleaver

The NASA nutjob James Hansen has stepped in it again:

NASA's Chief Climate Scientist Stirs Controversy With Call for Civil Disobedience

These are the same assholes who got us into this mess - by vehemently protesting nuclear power.

No Nukes!
No Coal!
No Cars!

=

No civilized society.

611 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:48:39am

re: #601 Rancher

True, the left will never own the military.

Hence the need for the Obama private security force to match the Army as he has previously suggested we need.

Whats your pledge?

/spit

612 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #576 Ward Cleaver

The NASA nutjob James Hansen has stepped in it again:

NASA's Chief Climate Scientist Stirs Controversy With Call for Civil Disobedience

From that article:
'Former Vice President Al Gore, who toured with Hansen while promoting "An Inconvenient Truth," did not return repeated requests for comment for this article.'

Aww - got cold feet, has Albore?

613 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:48:52am

re: #570 MandyManners

Tendonectomies are not as traumatic as traditional de-clawing.

What is that applied to cats?

614 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:48:57am

re: #592 Pyrocles

I'm luckier in that mine didn't shut me out, but yeah, they thought it was nuts, they'd never do that, it can't happen here etc. I think it would in fact be very dangerous to rule the CPS out.

615 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:49:10am

re: #558 Leonidas Hoplite

Me.

me too. i paid mine off in 5 yrs. it was a priority.
and now rather than feel a big sense of pride at my accomplishment,
i kind of feel ridiculous.
duh?
*shakes head and throws both hands in the air, palms up*

616 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:49:17am

re: #590 tfc3rid

According to Sen. DeMint, a backdoor Fairness Doctrine legislation passes the Senate a little while ago...

Calls for 'the contents of media should reflect the diversity of America." Durbin Amendment

Sen. DeMint offered a piece of legislation to officiall ban the 'Fairness Doctrine'... He says it looks like it will pass...

I just heard a snip of Durbin saying (paraphrasing): "It's not communistic, it's not socialistic...it's already in the law, so what I'm proposing isn't that much of a departure."

He knows exactly what it is.

617 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:49:19am

re: #556 Beach Lover

oh...but did you hear O'Reilly last night?! he's gonna be all over the first indication that any stimulis $$ is used for ACORN.
/what a jerk ...I'm sure the messiah is shaking in his boots that O'Reilly might be watching over his shoulder

I do not Hear O'Riley but ACORN is an enormous and growing syndicate...it's very depressing that nobody has exposed their bad ethics enough to slow them down...these are the thugs taking BOs business to the street...ACORN is very dangerous

618 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:49:36am

re: #604 LGoPs

Are you a short, sarcastic blonde? :)

619 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:49:38am

re: #609 DisturbedEma

He's set on a dog, but nice try. . .:)

I'm slow on the uptake today. That took me a minute to get. Good one.

620 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:49:38am

re: #579 MJ

Report: Bishop who had denied Holocaust apologizes

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Anyone believe him?

Hope not - he's staying with Irving, iirc ...

621 acwgusa  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:50:00am

re: #611 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hence the need for the Obama private security force to match the Army as he has previously suggested we need.

Whats your pledge?

/spit

I'd join his Security force, then mutiny.

622 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:50:12am

re: #596 Nevergiveup

Or give them both to an enemy?

No, the objective is to keep the cats from killing each other. I like cats and don't want to hurt them.

623 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:50:29am

re: #616 capitalist piglet

I just heard a snip of Durbin saying (paraphrasing): "It's not communistic, it's not socialistic...it's already in the law, so what I'm proposing isn't that much of a departure."

He knows exactly what it is.

Just a quick question for Durbin - from a rather dumb guy:

If it's already in the law, WTF are you wasting time on passing it again you brain-dead doofus?

624 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:50:31am

re: #621 acwgusa

I'd join his Security force, then mutiny.

That thought had crossed my mind

625 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:50:32am

re: #531 Racer X

The government encourages banks to loan money to people who cannot afford to buy a house. Banks collapse when loans are not paid. Government bails out the banks.

I would rather say that the CRA forced banks to loan money to risky lendees. They couldn't qualify for FDIC insurance unless they made their CRA numbers.

626 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:50:39am

re: #605 Fat Jolly Penguin

Is this it?

I think so. (Won't click on the link, because then I'll probably just have to force-quit again... pain in the ass.)

627 DisturbedEma  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:50:41am

re: #619 Nevergiveup

I'm slow on the uptake today. That took me a minute to get. Good one.


:)

628 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:50:45am

re: #622 Dark_Falcon

No, the objective is to keep the cats from killing each other. I like cats and don't want to hurt them.

I have three myself. I was just kidding.

629 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:51:15am

re: #613 Dark_Falcon

What is that applied to cats?

The vet snips the tendons that allow cats to extend their claws. The only downside that I've dealt with is having to cut the cat's claws on a regular basis.

630 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:51:26am

re: #618 Chicago Blonde

Are you a short, sarcastic blonde? :)

LoL.....Short - yes. Blonde no.... My daughter had the good fortune of getting her mother's looks......

631 Picayune  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:51:33am

OT: Fox News reporting - "Pro Fairness Bill" passes US Senate. Sen DeMint (R) claims victory that will table attempt to push through a new Fairness Doc that will limit free speech via "diversity of ownership" as proposed by Sen Durbin (D). breaking..

632 Racer X  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:51:47am

re: #625 Silhouette

I would rather say that the CRA forced banks to loan money to risky lendees. They couldn't qualify for FDIC insurance unless they made their CRA numbers.

Ed Zactly.

633 mikeymom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:52:08am

re: #543 Eowyn2

NOOOOO! declawing is mulilating! would you like your fingers cut off at the first knuckle? they need an exam by the vet--something is not right!

634 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:52:21am

re: #576 Ward Cleaver

The NASA nutjob James Hansen has stepped in it again:

NASA's Chief Climate Scientist Stirs Controversy With Call for Civil Disobedience

A government official calling for widespreak lawbreaking... he should be shitcanned, ASAP.

635 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:52:38am

re: #607 MandyManners

SNIP

What would make you think Soros was involve Mandy?
////

OPEN SOCIETY INSTITUTE

Established in 1993, the Open Society Institute (OSI) is the most prominent of the numerous foundations belonging to the international billionaire financier George Soros, its founder and Chairman.
636 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:52:39am

For people who don't believe Clowar-Piven Strategy is possible, remind them of Motor Voter and fraud, and the current economic collapse caused by CRA.

637 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:52:45am

re: #612 yma o hyd

From that article:
'Former Vice President Al Gore, who toured with Hansen while promoting "An Inconvenient Truth," did not return repeated requests for comment for this article.'

Aww - got cold feet, has Albore?

LOL - when I read that, I was thinking "Hanson".

638 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:53:04am

re: #632 Racer X

Ed Zactly.

But, it's still the fault of "the market", right? I mean, the government had nothing to do with this sub-prime mess. It was all greedy banks and lenders, right?

/Barney and Chris

639 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:53:05am

I majored in Anthropology. My professors universally believed that the worst thing that ever happened to humanity was the Agricultural Revolution, which paved the way for large sedentary communities; social stratification and inequality; and ultimately world-polluting technology.

re: #610 Racer X

These are the same assholes who got us into this mess - by vehemently protesting nuclear power.

No Nukes!
No Coal!
No Cars!

=

No civilized society.

640 tfc3rid  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:53:13am

re: #631 Picayune

I was following DeMint's updates on this via Twitter... Backdoor is open for Fairness Doctrine but it won't be called 'Fairness Doctrine'...

641 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:53:30am

re: #631 Picayune

OT: Fox News reporting - "Pro Fairness Bill" passes US Senate. Sen DeMint (R) claims victory that will table attempt to push through a new Fairness Doc that will limit free speech via "diversity of ownership" as proposed by Sen Durbin (D). breaking..

Still needs to get through the House. It'll need good PR to force Pelosi aaside.

642 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:53:39am

re: #630 LGoPs

Aw, we're Lizards, we're all family. We all seem to have the common sense gene...

643 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:53:40am

re: #490 MandyManners

Karma: 22

Doda McCheesle

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644 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:53:50am

re: #579 MJ

No.

645 tfc3rid  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:53:56am

'Diversity of ownership' are basically enacting localism rules...

646 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:53:59am

re: #635 jcm

I didn't know Open Society supported ACORN. Wow.

647 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:54:08am

OT: A Radical President
READ READ READ

648 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:54:16am

re: #603 godfrey

I'm signing up, too. Get the House back in 2010, and kick out Obama in '12. First things first.

OPERATION CLEAN SWEEP PHASE ONE 2010

OPERATION CLEAN SWEEP PHASE TWO 2012


Sweepers. Man your brooms. Clean sweepdown, fore and aft.

649 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:54:51am

re: #639 Pyrocles

So, I guess all your professors live in mud huts here in North America and grow their own food, right?

650 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:54:57am

re: #607 MandyManners

While he admits to violating the NASA press policy, Hansen states he had a "constitutional right" to grant interviews.

Uh, no, buddy, you have a constitutional right to free speech. You don't have a constitutional right to your current (government) job, idiot, not if you're violating clearly-established policy.

651 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:55:03am

re: #628 Nevergiveup

I have three myself. I was just kidding.

re: #629 MandyManners

The vet snips the tendons that allow cats to extend their claws. The only downside that I've dealt with is having to cut the cat's claws on a regular basis.

re: #633 mikeymom

NOOOOO! declawing is mulilating! would you like your fingers cut off at the first knuckle? they need an exam by the vet--something is not right!

I'm going to agree with mikeymom, but thank you for the info Mandy.

652 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:55:29am

re: #579 MJ

nope

653 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:55:43am

People laugh in my face when I mention the CRA causing the economic mess... It's the fault of Bush and his illegal war...

re: #636 MandyManners

For people who don't believe Clowar-Piven Strategy is possible, remind them of Motor Voter and fraud, and the current economic collapse caused by CRA.

654 rawmuse  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:55:51am

re: #636 MandyManners

For people who don't believe Clowar-Piven Strategy is possible, remind them of Motor Voter and fraud, and the current economic collapse caused by CRA.

Not only is it possible, it is unfolding before our very eyes, with breathtaking speed.

655 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:55:55am

re: #649 WriterMom

So, I guess all your professors live in mud huts here in North America and grow their own food, right?

Hey, it's do as I say, not as I do....remember....

656 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:55:57am

re: #639 Pyrocles

I majored in Anthropology. My professors universally believed that the worst thing that ever happened to humanity was the Agricultural Revolution, which paved the way for large sedentary communities; social stratification and inequality; and ultimately world-polluting technology.

Did you ask your female professor if the idea of being clubbed on the head and dragged by her hair back to a dominant males cave sounded appealing?

I did, and was called a sexist.

657 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:56:16am

re: #647 WriterMom

OT: A Radical President
READ READ READ

My head hurts.

658 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:56:28am

re: #639 Pyrocles

I majored in Anthropology. My professors universally believed that the worst thing that ever happened to humanity was the Agricultural Revolution, which paved the way for large sedentary communities; social stratification and inequality; and ultimately world-polluting technology.

Yeah, we'd all be better off if there were no humans around!

Btw - if those professors think that the stone age was so wonderful, they sure can't have tried their hands at flint knapping ...

659 Empire1  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:56:38am

re: #416 capitalist piglet

Is anyone else actually frightened? I'm starting to feel overwhelmed by everything they are doing and all the money they are spending...and they are just getting warmed up.

Yes, I am.

660 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:56:40am

re: #506 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A 28 year old having to take Viagra? Gimme a break (hopefully). That's awful.

661 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:56:41am

re: #636 MandyManners

For people who don't believe Clowar-Piven Strategy is possible, remind them of Motor Voter and fraud, and the current economic collapse caused by CRA.

I can't think of any word to describe bastards like Cloward and Piven other than evil.
They go far beyond looking out for the poor. They seek the destruction of the most successful, benevolent country in history to satisfy their sick, twisted resentful bile. They're using our country as their fucking therapy couch.
Goddamn them to hell.

662 pupdawg  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:56:42am

re: #131 realwest

Well there it is folks: moral relativism. The Palestinians have built NOTHING in their "territory" in the way of schools, hospitals, industry or even agricultre and have, instead, devoted themselves entirely to the destruction of the Israeli's and the State of Israel.
Israel, OTOH, has done the opposite: they have built world class learning institutions, industry, agriculture so well that they EXPORT food and resort to violence against the Palestinians only when forced to do so, but according to the times Israel and the Palestinians are equal.
IF this wasn't from the NY Times I'd find it more disturbing, but even coming from the NYTimes it's absoultely astounding and disgusting.
And I have NOT forgotten the Palestinians dancing in the street to celebrate 9/11 and the murder of over 3,000 Americans.
I won't allow the NYTimes to temporize about terrorism. Terrorism in the form of deliberating murdering civilians is EVIL. Period.
Fuck the NY Times.

...and; their other business holdings or affiliations, their stock holders, the total sum of their supporters, their delusional subscription zombies, their splinter network of newspaper feeders throughout the country who daily drink and serve their cauldron mix of kool-aid, their continued influence over this country, their total liberal bias, their advertisers who prosper from their venomous quills, their huge Big Foot-like carbon footprint on the Earth, their hatred of nature in general and trees in particular, their apparent legally blind vision, their union employees and their nons working the serving line dishing out the poison, their totality of being and the trojan horse they rode in on! May they only exist under the strict Clintonion definition of what 'is' is. To 'be,' hell no! The non-REM hampered dream that they 'be' no more. Fuck the NYT!

663 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:56:48am

re: #648 Dustyvet

OPERATION CLEAN SWEEP PHASE ONE 2010

OPERATION CLEAN SWEEP PHASE TWO 2012

Sweepers. Man your brooms. Clean sweepdown, fore and aft.

Brooms?

Shit! I've been stock up on tar, feathers, pitchforks and torches!

664 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:56:57am

re: #626 Occasional Reader

I think so. (Won't click on the link, because then I'll probably just have to force-quit again... pain in the ass.)

That link doesn't go to the WSJ, it's a tech blog. This is the WSJ link. :)

665 hazzyday  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:57:04am

If Slackman is so convinced Hamas is not a terrorist organization ask him to emulate them. Give him a Hamas membership card, a suicide belt, and ask him to go find the most acceptable martyr that he can equips with the suicide belt. Whose shoes would he prefer to walk in?

Quote mining the Arab street is crap work. People educated with outdated USSR textbooks and then listening to Friday Imans. The credibility factor is pretty low.

Adjusting US foreign policy to kowtow to the Arab street is foolish beyond belief. Foreign Policy needs to be centered around US interests. Giving 1 billion to Gaza is not in our interests. It's throwing money into weapons used badly.

The tough love solution is to convince the Arab world and Gaza to live in peace with Israel. Taking modern leftist values and grafting them with 40's Arab values of hate about Jews is just a way to carry on anti semitism and have a convienent place to hide.

The Arab world needs to turn the page into the modern world.

666 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:57:16am

re: #647 WriterMom

That was horrible but we need to face it. Thank you for posting that.

667 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:57:19am

re: #656 jcm

I bet they love Islamic culture though-all those university radicals.

668 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:57:32am

Of course not! But they're filled with self-loathing for owning such luxuries.

re: #649 WriterMom

So, I guess all your professors live in mud huts here in North America and grow their own food, right?

669 UFO TOFU  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:57:56am

re: #441 MandyManners

Cloward-Piven.

That's chilling.

670 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:57:58am

re: #647 WriterMom

OT: A Radical President
READ READ READ

Barack Obama is proposing that the U.S. alter the relationship between the national government and private sector that was put in place by Ronald Reagan and largely continued by the presidencies of Bill Clinton and the Bushes. Then, the private sector led the economy. Now Washington will chart its course.

671 Picayune  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:57:58am

re: #640 tfc3rid

True, DeMint sez he believes Durbin will not prevail.

672 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:58:20am

re: #668 Pyrocles

Of course not! But they're filled with self-loathing for owning such luxuries.

They shop at Whole Foods, close enough!
///

673 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:58:40am

re: #638 Desert Dog

But, it's still the fault of "the market", right? I mean, the government had nothing to do with this sub-prime mess. It was all greedy banks and lenders, right?

/Barney and Chris

There is absolutely no hope of solving the problem unless you first correctly identify the cause of the problem. Not only have we not identified it, we have put the original problem in charge of fixing it......
Fuck.

674 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:58:42am

re: #614 Chicago Blonde

I'm luckier in that mine didn't shut me out, but yeah, they thought it was nuts, they'd never do that, it can't happen here etc. I think it would in fact be very dangerous to rule the CPS out.

They say "never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity", but that would require such an enormous amount of stupidity that it boggles the mind that people that stupid could get into the positions of power they have.

675 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:58:50am

re: #667 WriterMom

I bet they love Islamic culture though-all those university radicals.

Only from a distance. I'd like to give them all a season-long "Holiday in Gaza" and then see how they feel about sharia.

676 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:59:16am

re: #670 FrogMarch

That worked out real well when the Politburo was charting Russia's course?

677 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:59:28am
678 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #651 Dark_Falcon

I'm going to agree with mikeymom, but thank you for the info Mandy.

Snipping the tendons is NOT the same as traditional declawing. Call your vet.

679 Dianna  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:59:41am

re: #658 yma o hyd

Yeah, we'd all be better off if there were no humans around!

Btw - if those professors think that the stone age was so wonderful, they sure can't have tried their hands at flint knapping ...

Ooooh, yes!

I have a deep respect for those early hominids after my first experiments in knapping!

My poor, skinned, barked fingers and knuckles! Ow!

680 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:03pm

re: #652 WriterMom

nope

I found this interesting:
"If I had known beforehand the full harm and hurt to which they would give rise, especially to the church, but also to survivors and relatives of victims of injustice under the Third Reich, I would not have made them," Williamson added...

He places the Church ahead of the survivors and relatives of the victims ( assuming those relatives weren't killed ).

What of restitution? And not restitution to the Church but to those survivors and others who actually suffered? Words don't mean a damn thing here. How does he plan atone for his life of lies?

681 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:03pm

re: #675 Dark_Falcon

My fantasy is that they all get "I love the IDF" or "I'm a Jew" tatooed on their foreheads and dropped into downtown Nablus or Ramallah. Then we'll see how much they like it. A one way ticket to Shitistan though is also a good idea.

682 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:05pm

No, that never happened! Stone-age humans were completely egalitarian and free of violence! Anyone who believes otherwise will fail this course! /

re: #656 jcm

Did you ask your female professor if the idea of being clubbed on the head and dragged by her hair back to a dominant males cave sounded appealing?

I did, and was called a sexist.

683 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:05pm

re: #670 FrogMarch

I believe that's called "central planning." We saw how spectacularly that worked out in the USSR.

684 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:05pm

re: #650 Occasional Reader

Uh, no, buddy, you have a constitutional right to free speech. You don't have a constitutional right to your current (government) job, idiot, not if you're violating clearly-established policy.

Hansen is a Spayshul Snowfwake.

685 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:08pm

today is the anniversary of the 1st wtc bombing.
feb. 26, 1993.
( we must not forget how committed these TERRORISTS are)

686 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:25pm

re: #639 Pyrocles

I majored in Anthropology. My professors universally believed that the worst thing that ever happened to humanity was the Agricultural Revolution, which paved the way for large sedentary communities; social stratification and inequality; and ultimately world-polluting technology.

You should've asked them if they want to give up their cars, homes, etc, and go live like nomads. They could start tomorrow.

687 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:32pm

re: #676 Nevergiveup

GMTA...

688 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:43pm

re: #669 UFO TOFU

That's chilling.

I wonder what BO did and what he studied in college....and why he hides it

689 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:48pm

re: #654 rawmuse

Not only is it possible, it is unfolding before our very eyes, with breathtaking speed.

You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you.

690 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:54pm

re: #678 MandyManners

Snipping the tendons is NOT the same as traditional declawing. Call your vet.

Do what we did. Rather than de-claw the cats, we de-valued the furniture and carpet.

691 Picayune  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:55pm

re: #641 Dark_Falcon

Right, but Senate passed it 87 - 11, so lets hope the cry goes out and up and Jumpin Bean Nancy will get hopping mad, again.

692 mattm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:00:59pm

Well if the "victims" were not where the "victims' fired their "peaceful" missiles no one would be killed.

/moonbat off

693 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:01:16pm

re: #416 capitalist piglet

Is anyone else actually frightened? I'm starting to feel overwhelmed by everything they are doing and all the money they are spending...and they are just getting warmed up.


Me too.

694 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:01:25pm

re: #668 Pyrocles

Of course not! But they're filled with self-loathing for owning such luxuries.

Self-loathing is a cheap emotion if one doesn't do anything about it except loathe ...

Instilling crap in young, impressionable minds however, now thats a real crime.

695 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:01:32pm

re: #680 MJ

Clearly, he believes his 'questioning' of the Holocaust is service to G-d. So, in that context, his comments make a lot of sense. Sorry to have hurt the Church for what I said-sorry I hurt your feelings, etc..but screw you all anyway.

696 tfc3rid  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:01:35pm

re: #685 nyc redneck

today is the anniversary of the 1st wtc bombing.
feb. 26, 1993.
( we must not forget how committed these TERRORISTS are)

It's great to see it was forgotten in the press today...

697 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:01:54pm

re: #678 MandyManners

Snipping the tendons is NOT the same as traditional declawing. Call your vet.

I understand. It's not my mom's cat that are having the problem and in any case, they were de-clawed long ago. I was simply agreeing that the two cats in question should be taken to the vet to see what's wrong. Your point was taken and accepted.

698 hazzyday  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:01:59pm

re: #653 Pyrocles

People laugh in my face when I mention the CRA causing the economic mess... It's the fault of Bush and his illegal war...

I'm not reading you as speaking precisely, it seems like you are attributing overly broadly. One person? One professor?

699 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:02:05pm

re: #542 Killgore Trout

Taliban Freedom Fighters, no doubt.

700 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:02:10pm

re: #661 LGoPs

I can't think of any word to describe bastards like Cloward and Piven other than evil.
They go far beyond looking out for the poor. They seek the destruction of the most successful, benevolent country in history to satisfy their sick, twisted resentful bile. They're using our country as their fucking therapy couch.
Goddamn them to hell.

From the DTN link:

The Cloward-Piven strategy depended on surprise. Once society recovered from the initial shock, the backlash began. New York's welfare crisis horrified America, giving rise to a reform movement which culminated in "the end of welfare as we know it" -- the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which imposed time limits on federal welfare, along with strict eligibility and work requirements. Both Cloward and Piven attended the White House signing of the bill as guests of President Clinton.

701 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:02:13pm

re: #647 WriterMom

OT: A Radical President
READ READ READ

Unless the GOP can discover a radical message of its own to distinguish it from the president's, it should prepare to live under Mr. Obama's radicalism for at least a generation.

702 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:02:13pm

re: #685 nyc redneck

Next week, IIRC March 6th is the anniversary of the Rav Kook Yeshiva terrorist attack in Jerusalem.

703 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:02:15pm

re: #674 Kosh's Shadow

I've learned to rule nothing out. I have to say I am leaning towards evil though.

704 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:02:19pm

re: #674 Kosh's Shadow

They say "never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity", but that would require such an enormous amount of stupidity that it boggles the mind that people that stupid could get into the positions of power they have.

'American Idol' all the way down ...

705 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:02:23pm

re: #673 LGoPs

There is absolutely no hope of solving the problem unless you first correctly identify the cause of the problem. Not only have we not identified it, we have put the original problem in charge of fixing it......
Fuck.

the problem has been IDd....nobody can fix it until '10 at the earliest

706 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:02:25pm

re: #638 Desert Dog

It was all greedy banks and lenders, right?

/Barney and Chris

To believe as LLL do that corporate greed is responsible for the mortgage crisis, one has to believe that businesses just developed greed in 1995.

In the graphic, you see housing prices rose with inflation for 100 years, then suddenly, around 1995, housing prices rose much, much faster than inflation.

707 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:02:42pm

re: #669 UFO TOFU

That's chilling.

It's happening.

708 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:03:45pm

re: #669 UFO TOFU

That's chilling.

Between Cloward-Piven and Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, you have the Obama campaign strategy mapped out perfectly.

Everything he's done and said, the tactics, the policies, it's all there.

709 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:03:54pm

re: #688 albusteve

I wonder what BO did and what he studied in college....and why he hides it

Don't forget he was an attorney for ACORN.

710 Wishing  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:03:59pm

re: #611 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hence the need for the Obama private security force to match the Army as he has previously suggested we need.

Whats your pledge?

/spit

He will wait for the appropriate *crisis* to initiate his stormtroopers.

711 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:04:03pm

re: #679 Dianna

Ooooh, yes!

I have a deep respect for those early hominids after my first experiments in knapping!

My poor, skinned, barked fingers and knuckles! Ow!

It does take a lot of pracice, to be sure. I didn't apply meself, but my husband loved to knap anything knap-worthy, just for the fun of it.
Well, ok, he was an archaeologist ...

712 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:04:04pm

re: #690 Desert Dog

Do what we did. Rather than de-claw the cats, we de-valued the furniture and carpet.

The problem is that in the case in question the cats are clawing each other. Jimmah is worried about them killing each other.

713 mikeymom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:04:07pm

re: #690 Desert Dog

Do what we did. Rather than de-claw the cats, we de-valued the furniture and carpet.

upding! even snipping the tendons sounds terrible. cats CAN be trained not to scratch the furniture.

714 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:04:24pm

re: #679 Dianna

Ooooh, yes!

I have a deep respect for those early hominids after my first experiments in knapping!

My poor, skinned, barked fingers and knuckles! Ow!

So we're unlikely to ever again catch you knapping?

715 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:04:46pm

re: #690 Desert Dog

Do what we did. Rather than de-claw the cats, we de-valued the furniture and carpet.

Can't always do that.

716 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:04:50pm

re: #688 albusteve

You know, that's another thing that bothers me. We know all about the other POTUSes and POTUS candidates. He's still n enigma. That doesn't mesh with the rest of the media worship.

717 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:05:20pm

re: #695 WriterMom

Clearly, he believes his 'questioning' of the Holocaust is service to G-d. So, in that context, his comments make a lot of sense. Sorry to have hurt the Church for what I said-sorry I hurt your feelings, etc..but screw you all anyway.

That guy deserves a fan club wherever he goes.

/meaning protesters

718 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:05:20pm

re: #697 Dark_Falcon

I suggested he take them both to the vet for a check-up.

719 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:05:22pm

A little under an hour to go and the Dow is down about 57 points again.

720 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:05:23pm

re: #682 Pyrocles

No, that never happened! Stone-age humans were completely egalitarian and free of violence! Anyone who believes otherwise will fail this course! /

ROFL!

721 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:05:29pm

re: #505 FrogMarch

Precisely.

The socialist/fascist democrats will never consider what we do need:
A Private health care industry with open competitive insurance options.

Yes, yes, yes. We wound up with our current, very silly, employment-based health insurance system because of the frickin' Democrats. During World War II, companies couldn't raise wages, so they offered valuable benefits instead. Also, employer-paid insurance premiums were not taxed as income, so that made them even more popular. Then unions were allowed to negotiate for insurance benefits, and the entitlement mentality set in.

McCain's suggested tax deduction for people to buy health insurance themselves, instead of through their employers, would open up a lot of options for people. Imagine not being at the mercy of your employer for what doctors you can go to! (Your company changes plans; you have to change doctors. You want a new job? You probably have to find a new doctor. The system is INSANE.)

722 J.S.  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:05:35pm

re: #647 WriterMom

Excellent article. (that was one of the problems, btw, I found with that text, "The Case Against Obama" -- the author, David Freddoso, repeatedly stated that Obama was "not a radical." That's the one point I most disagreed with...I think Obama is, very much, a radical...and Freddoso was wrong to suggest otherwise...)

723 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:05:37pm

re: #660 WriterMom

A 28 year old having to take Viagra? Gimme a break (hopefully). That's awful.

He was trying to keep it up for 12 hours

724 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:06:00pm
He's still an enigma


Sorry.

725 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:06:00pm

re: #700 MandyManners

From the DTN link:

The Cloward-Piven strategy depended on surprise. Once society recovered from the initial shock, the backlash began. New York's welfare crisis horrified America, giving rise to a reform movement which culminated in "the end of welfare as we know it" -- the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which imposed time limits on federal welfare, along with strict eligibility and work requirements. Both Cloward and Piven attended the White House signing of the bill as guests of President Clinton.

Surprise happens in the minds of the target. Thus it is our duty to see that people are not surprised. That is the best and most peaceful way to fight Cloward-Piven.

726 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:06:11pm

re: #719 subsailor68

A little under an hour to go and the Dow is down about 57 points again.

Trim the boat! Damn it, Trim the boat!

727 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:06:14pm
728 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:06:39pm

re: #718 MandyManners

I suggested he take them both to the vet for a check-up.

Please forgive me, I did not see that post.

729 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:06:41pm

re: #708 jcm

Between Cloward-Piven and Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, you have the Obama campaign strategy mapped out perfectly.

Everything he's done and said, the tactics, the policies, it's all there.

Setting fire to the house, so he can put it out.

730 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:06:41pm

re: #705 albusteve

the problem has been IDd....nobody can fix it until '10 at the earliest

It's been identified by us....but my worry is that the large majority of half asleep sheep out there will continue to be spoon fed by the media into accepting the fact that democrats are their saviors........

731 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:06:53pm

re: #723 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I saw. Insane. What goes up, must come down forcryingoutloud.

732 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:07:04pm

re: #726 jcm

Trim the boat! Damn it, Trim the boat!

Can't. Obama cut military spending and we can't afford a new trim and drain pump.

733 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:07:09pm

re: #726 jcm

Trim the boat! Damn it, Trim the boat!

Where going to need more tinsel...:)


/S

734 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:07:16pm

re: #601 Rancher

True, the left will never own the military.

I read somewhere a few years back about the disturbing (according to the article writer) shift of the military to the right. It got me to thinking. Did the military shift right or did the country shift left? It seems that modern American culture has abandoned many of the values espoused by the military.

735 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:07:22pm

The Shoe Fits! 1.5 Million-Year-Old Human Footprints Found

Early humans had feet like ours and left lasting impressions in the form of 1.5 million-year-old footprints, some of which were made by feet that could wear a size 9 men's shoe.

Were they Bruno Magli?

736 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:07:27pm

re: #708 jcm

Between Cloward-Piven and Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, you have the Obama campaign strategy mapped out perfectly.

Everything he's done and said, the tactics, the policies, it's all there.

Whats worse is that we talked about it here so many times, and now we can see it happening in action.
Lizards gotta be a bunch of Cassandras ...
:-)

737 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:07:43pm

re: #714 Occasional Reader

So we're unlikely to ever again catch you knapping?

You know I use stone knives to knap. I kneel and hold the knives against my knee. Evel Kneivel taught me that.

738 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:07:50pm

re: #709 MandyManners

Don't forget he was an attorney for ACORN.

we all wondered months ago if it could be true....I always believed the worst myself but it's kinda of embarrassing to support some wild conspiracy...what else can it be?....they are taking down America, lock, stock and barrel

739 MJ  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:07:58pm

re: #735 MJ

The Shoe Fits! 1.5 Million-Year-Old Human Footprints Found

Were they Bruno Magli?

Link:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

740 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:08:02pm

re: #696 tfc3rid

It's great to see it was forgotten in the press today...

i heard it on the radio this morning.
6 people were killed and 1000 injured.
they almost succeeded the first time.

we have to keep calling them terrorists.
they are as committed to evil as ever.

741 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:08:03pm

re: #706 Silhouette

To believe as LLL do that corporate greed is responsible for the mortgage crisis, one has to believe that businesses just developed greed in 1995.

In the graphic, you see housing prices rose with inflation for 100 years, then suddenly, around 1995, housing prices rose much, much faster than inflation.

The fact that Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Charles Rangell, et al are still sitting in Congress rather than a prison cell or at least out of office is amazing. Yet, they all sit there with smug looks on their faces and spout off about greedy banks and lenders. Never a word about the pissing and moaning and procedural blocks they all put up any time someone dared to question the CRA, FannieMae or FreddyMac. How those people sleep at night is beyond me.

742 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:08:04pm

re: #725 Dark_Falcon

Surprise happens in the minds of the target. Thus it is our duty to see that people are not surprised. That is the best and most peaceful way to fight Cloward-Piven.

But, will people pay attention? Will they believe it?

743 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:08:08pm

I am speaking pretty tongue-in-cheek and broadly about my academic experiences. The overall gist of knowledge received from various professors, whose beliefs were similar in lots of ways, regardless of their fields.

re: #698 hazzyday

I'm not reading you as speaking precisely, it seems like you are attributing overly broadly. One person? One professor?

744 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:08:19pm
745 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:08:28pm

re: #729 Ward Cleaver

Save the village by destroying it?

//

746 Cathypop  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:08:53pm

re: #647 WriterMom
Scarey and true. This dirt bag is going to drag this country into ruin.

747 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:09:05pm

re: #719 subsailor68

A little under an hour to go and the Dow is down about 57 points again.

Well, looks like the facts of PB0's budget are finally sinking in into the minds of the traders ...

748 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:09:11pm

re: #683 Fat Jolly Penguin

I believe that's called "central planning." We saw how spectacularly that worked out in the USSR.


Centralized government control is actually the definition of fascism. Obama seems to admire to all of the world's failed religions ideologies.

A gift from Soros to Obama. the beginning of the Cloward -Piven strategy.

749 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:09:11pm

re: #734 ConservatismNow!

I read somewhere a few years back about the disturbing (according to the article writer) shift of the military to the right. It got me to thinking. Did the military shift right or did the country shift left? It seems that modern American culture has abandoned many of the values espoused by the military.

It's just my take, but I think - particularly in an all-volunteer force - that the folks who are willing to take the oath I posted up-thread are those who believe in the Constitution, the United States, and antiquated values like honor, courage, duty, and service.

The leftists stay home.

750 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:09:12pm

re: #740 nyc redneck

People killed and the motivation IGNORED, paving the way for 9/11.

751 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:09:15pm

re: #685 nyc redneck

( we must not forget how committed these TERRORISTS are)

The first Arabic siege of Constantinople was in 674. It fell in 1453. They are very committed.

752 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:09:16pm

Responding to this: My Father, Mother, and wife think this stuff is nuts!

re: #698 hazzyday

I'm not reading you as speaking precisely, it seems like you are attributing overly broadly. One person? One professor?

753 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:09:51pm

re: #751 Silhouette

You mean Istanbul, right?

:P

754 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:09:51pm

re: #712 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that in the case in question the cats are clawing each other. Jimmah is worried about them killing each other.

Sounds like the position of Top Cat has yet to be filled. We have three cats. The little one sometimes thinks its time for him to be the boss, but the current BossCat puts him in his place.....

Are they both males? Females?

755 hazzyday  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:09:58pm

re: #708 jcm

Between Cloward-Piven and Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, you have the Obama campaign strategy mapped out perfectly.

Everything he's done and said, the tactics, the policies, it's all there.

That's who Obama is to the core. He can't divorce himself from his training. And we see he is of his own opinion. He throws the person under the bus, then opens up the back door for them to climb aboard when no one is looking.

Eric Holders "coward" lines are community organizing. It is setting up people to accept social justice talk where white=oppressor, color=victim. It is the Marxist failed class struggle moved into American society via race. Pres.Obama won't be able to help himself. They are sitting in the Oval Office think tanking on how best to implement this with the least amount of blowback. And government bureaucrats typically will want to do this in a way that is forced onto people with no room for dissent. "It's the law"

756 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:10:05pm

re: #682 Pyrocles

No, that never happened! Stone-age humans were completely egalitarian and free of violence! Anyone who believes otherwise will fail this course! /

I don't agree with Jared Diamond on everything, but he did make a very telling point in one chapter of Guns, Germs & Steel, to lay to rest the idea that primitive people (I know, very un-PC) live in this peaceful state of nature. He describes how, among the basically Stone Age tribes living in the forests of Borneo (at least they were Stone Age until recently), if two hunters came upon each other in the forest, it was the custom to sit down and ask each other "do you know so and so". This seems very sweet and nice... except for the fact that the purpose of this ritual was essentially to establish "do we have enough kin ties so as to warrant not feeling compelled to kill each other". And to the best anyone could measure it, effective homicide rates among these people are SHOCKINGLY high, approaching WARTIME rates in the Western world.

757 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:10:13pm

re: #730 LGoPs

It's been identified by us....but my worry is that the large majority of half asleep sheep out there will continue to be spoon fed by the media into accepting the fact that democrats are their saviors........

of course they will...it's working perfectly so far

758 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:10:26pm

re: #736 yma o hyd

Whats worse is that we talked about it here so many times, and now we can see it happening in action.
Lizards gotta be a bunch of Cassandras ...
:-)

No kidding. How long ago did the Lizard Nation dig up all the commie / marxist ties BHO had? What did we say when we say it all? He'll govern according to his life's training and background.

Sometimes I hate being right.

759 LGoPs  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:10:43pm

re: #727 buzzsawmonkey

Without triggering Godwin's Law, I would like to nonetheless observe that history teaches it is a mistake to ignore people when they start doing what they say they are going to do if they get a chance.

That applies to the current administration, to Iran, and to the "Palestinians."

The tricky part is to figure out what the trigger point will be that acts as a catalyst for action...........
Will there really be one. Will there be an action taken where the majority stands up and says 'not one step further'.
I don't know and I'm pessimistic. I'm afraid we're frogs in slowly heating water.

760 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:10:45pm

re: #541 acwgusa

I think there would be a riotous uprising in this county before that happened.

Thats why they've started with the medical field. Once it falls, the utilities (already half way under the government thumb) will be the next to fall. It only makes sense. They are already talking about the whole 'meds or heat' delimna of the elderly (including 40-50 yr olds) so once they've got the medical and utilities, they will wait until there is another crisis. Too many homeless who have lost jobs, too many starving peoples. It doesnt take much to get a housing riot going when the gvmt starts foreclosing on the bad debt of the banking institution and if they can pull of a major freight strike, how long before bread lines form in NYC? Its not like a lot of grain or fruit is grown in Queens or the Bronx. If they can get NYC, Chicago, San Fran, Denver, LA, Seattle, Houson, and Dallas to all do food riots, the government will HAVE to step in.

I dont foresee this actually all taking place in my lifetime but I do see it over the next 30-40 yrs if it isn't stopped now.

761 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:10:57pm

re: #722 J.S.

He studied radicals, was groomed by radicals, quotes radicals, has dinner with radicals, had a radical pastor, radical friends and mentors. He's quite radical.

762 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:10:59pm

re: #575 acwgusa

"Did you get that memo? ... Yeah... It's just we're putting new coversheets on all the TPS reports before they go out now. So if you could go ahead and try to remember to do that from now on, that'd be great."

763 J.S.  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:11:03pm

re: #713 mikeymom

snipping tendons does sound awful (as does de-clawing)...my cat enjoys clawing up the carpet on the stairs -- it's completely shredded on a number of steps -- but he works on the carpet during the night (can hear him sometimes)...so he hasn't been trained...(I should have used a carpet runner on the stairs, now it's too late...)

764 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:11:13pm

re: #614 Chicago Blonde

I'm luckier in that mine didn't shut me out, but yeah, they thought it was nuts, they'd never do that, it can't happen here etc. I think it would in fact be very dangerous to rule the CPS out.

There is an excellent book by security expert Gavin de Becker, called "The Gift of Fear". In it, he describes the methods of people who intend to do you harm. One of the things they do is attempt to get you to override your sense of fear, by ridiculing it or minimizing it: "Do I look like a bad guy to you? Why are you so paranoid? Just let me in to use the phone - I'll only be here a minute."

I think Democrats do this. It's all sell, sell, sell - and if you express fear or concern, they tell you that there's nothing to worry about. This is America, right? We all believe in the American dream, no? Then before you know it, we're where we are today.

765 hazzyday  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:11:28pm

re: #743 Pyrocles

I am speaking pretty tongue-in-cheek and broadly about my academic experiences. The overall gist of knowledge received from various professors, whose beliefs were similar in lots of ways, regardless of their fields.

I am slow. lol understood.

766 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:11:28pm

re: #749 subsailor68

Unless they're Scott Thomas Beauchamp. Then they join the military so nobody can question them when they spout America-hating drivel.

767 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:11:37pm

re: #738 albusteve

we all wondered months ago if it could be true....I always believed the worst myself but it's kinda of embarrassing to support some wild conspiracy...what else can it be?....they are taking down America, lock, stock and barrel

When a man tells you who he is, believe him.

I cannot tell you amused I am when I hear people say that they tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.

768 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:12:05pm

re: #702 WriterMom

Next week, IIRC March 6th is the anniversary of the Rav Kook Yeshiva terrorist attack in Jerusalem.

was this when the jihadi went in and killed 8 young students?

769 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:12:08pm

re: #744 buzzsawmonkey

The curse of Cassandra, of course, was that she always told the truth and was never believed.

Yeah - same as Lizards talking about Alinsky, Clovard-Piven ... about a year ago!

770 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:12:08pm

re: #761 WriterMom

He studied radicals, was groomed by radicals, quotes radicals, has dinner with radicals, had a radical pastor, radical friends and mentors. He's quite radical.

We all knew this months before he was elected. How long before you think this fact dons on the lemmings that elected him?

771 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:12:27pm

re: #423 Beach Lover

Now he's reversed the practice so that we will be taking pictures of dead soldiers' coffins as they return from war.
This man is evil....he cannot be doing all this by himself. Someone is driving all this crap that is being forced down our throats in supersonic speed. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

Beach Lover -

Be careful, very careful of what you want - someday you might get it. Pres. Obama seems to be ramping up operations in Afghanistan. Posit that the Taliban gets lucky and pulls of a surprise attack like the Beirut Barracks with a couple of hundred KIA, let your mind roam free...

-S-

772 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:12:27pm

re: #766 ConservatismNow!

Unless they're Scott Thomas Beauchamp. Then they join the military so nobody can question them when they spout America-hating drivel.

I'd forgotten about that POS. Glad to see his 15 minutes of infamy are over.

773 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:12:41pm

re: #756 Occasional Reader

For sure. Primitive societies are idealized in a very untruthful and utopian way. Like Aboriginal culture for example. The different warring tribes slaughtered each other way before the European colonists arrived in North America. But all we hear about is healing circles and feasts and nature..Feh.

774 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:12:49pm

re: #753 WriterMom

Every gal in Constantinople lives in Istanbul

775 hazzyday  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:12:51pm

re: #761 WriterMom

He studied radicals, was groomed by radicals, quotes radicals, has dinner with radicals, had a radical pastor, radical friends and mentors. He's quite radical.

This should be a commercial somewhere, just in case he might get elected.

776 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:12:59pm

re: #742 MandyManners

But, will people pay attention? Will they believe it?

I pray so. We can start by pointing out the obvious and go from there. They only have to stand and resist, not accept the whole truth of what Obama is up to. Find what the people you are trying to reach will fear about Obama's objectives and then use those fears to turn them against him.

777 FrogMarch  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:13:04pm

re: #721 lurking faith

Yes, yes, yes. We wound up with our current, very silly, employment-based health insurance system because of the frickin' Democrats. During World War II, companies couldn't raise wages, so they offered valuable benefits instead. Also, employer-paid insurance premiums were not taxed as income, so that made them even more popular. Then unions were allowed to negotiate for insurance benefits, and the entitlement mentality set in.

McCain's suggested tax deduction for people to buy health insurance themselves, instead of through their employers, would open up a lot of options for people. Imagine not being at the mercy of your employer for what doctors you can go to! (Your company changes plans; you have to change doctors. You want a new job? You probably have to find a new doctor. The system is INSANE.)

The democrats ruin everything they touch. But we all know that is their strategy. With each new failure the democrats have an opportunity to further us down the road to socialism and government controlled "single payer" health care. Which of course will be an a disaster of epic proportions.

778 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:13:11pm

re: #768 nyc redneck

Yes.

779 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:13:16pm

re: #767 MandyManners

When a man tells you who he is, believe him.

I cannot tell you amused I am when I hear people say that they tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.

"Maybe he will govern from the center". "His appointments have impressed me".

Hahahahaa! Still gets me every time!

780 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:13:36pm

re: #761 WriterMom

He studied radicals, was groomed by radicals, quotes radicals, has dinner with radicals, had a radical pastor, radical friends and mentors.

What's your point?

////

781 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:14:07pm

re: #752 Pyrocles

Responding to this: My Father, Mother, and wife think this stuff is nuts!

My mother thought I was nuts when I told her about ACORN, Soros, Cloward-Piven and Saul Alinsky many moons ago, Now, she believes me. Sometimes validation sucks.

782 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:14:15pm

re: #633 mikeymom

NOOOOO! declawing is mulilating! would you like your fingers cut off at the first knuckle? they need an exam by the vet--something is not right!

I agree. I think this is likely an emotional/hormonal problem anyway. I remember a couple of months back they seemed to 'fall in love' for a week or so, during which time they spent 95% of their day snuggled up in a box together purring and making those 'cat talk' noises they normally only make when eyeing up a pigeon outside the window. The current 'war' is starting to look like a flipside to that. I'll see what the vet has to say anyway.

783 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:14:16pm

re: #770 Desert Dog

It's taking less time than I thought for the cracks to appear in his image. You know the MSM rant by the guy from Chicago's trading pit-who would have thunk? There are little signs of resistance, but ultimately-"HE WON".

784 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:14:20pm

re: #764 capitalist piglet

I've read that! Great book!

Nobody ever died from being laughed at.

785 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:14:47pm

re: #748 FrogMarch

Centralized government control is actually the definition of fascism. Obama seems to admire to all of the world's failed religions ideologies.

A gift from Soros to Obama. the beginning of the Cloward -Piven strategy.

I can't comment on that article due to forum rules.

786 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:15:05pm
787 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:15:07pm

re: #690 Desert Dog

Do what we did. Rather than de-claw the cats, we de-valued the furniture and carpet.

Get Sticky Paws. It comes in rolls or strip of double sided tape. Put it on furniture and cats hate the feeling on their aws. It is a good training or protecting tool. Works like a charm.

788 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:15:17pm

re: #755 hazzyday

That's who Obama is to the core. He can't divorce himself from his training. And we see he is of his own opinion. He throws the person under the bus, then opens up the back door for them to climb aboard when no one is looking.

Eric Holders "coward" lines are community organizing. It is setting up people to accept social justice talk where white=oppressor, color=victim. It is the Marxist failed class struggle moved into American society via race. Pres.Obama won't be able to help himself. They are sitting in the Oval Office think tanking on how best to implement this with the least amount of blowback. And government bureaucrats typically will want to do this in a way that is forced onto people with no room for dissent. "It's the law"

DINGDINGDING

Don't forget AGW.

789 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:15:22pm

Dick Morris: It’s Obama spreading panic

Ultimately, all recessions and depressions resolve themselves into crises of confidence. The instant, global, 24/7 communications of today make them ever more so. President Obama, in his pursuit of liberal big-government spending, has totally neglected the role of the president of the United States in reversing global panic. To the contrary, his every remark and the constant preoccupation of his Cabinet is to heighten the sense of crisis and to escalate the predictions of doom if we do not do as they tell us and raise spending now and taxes later.

Instead of being a firewall, reassuring Main Street even as Wall Street crashed, he has become a conduit of panic, spreading the mood of desperation from the stock exchange floor to kitchen tables across the world.

790 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:15:24pm

re: #758 jcm

No kidding. How long ago did the Lizard Nation dig up all the commie / marxist ties BHO had? What did we say when we say it all? He'll govern according to his life's training and background.

Sometimes I hate being right.

It must be nearly a year ago now - I remember Mandy linking to this again and again, all through Spring, and then we really got cracking after his acceptance speech.
Unbelievable.

791 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:15:27pm

re: #780 Occasional Reader

Point? ME DON'T NEED NO STEENKING POINT.

792 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:15:46pm

Napoleon Chagnon received a lot of flak for properly describing the Yanomamo people of the Amazon as "warlike" and violent. They are, according to their own description of themselves.

re: #756 Occasional Reader

I don't agree with Jared Diamond on everything, but he did make a very telling point in one chapter of Guns, Germs & Steel, to lay to rest the idea that primitive people (I know, very un-PC) live in this peaceful state of nature. He describes how, among the basically Stone Age tribes living in the forests of Borneo (at least they were Stone Age until recently), if two hunters came upon each other in the forest, it was the custom to sit down and ask each other "do you know so and so". This seems very sweet and nice... except for the fact that the purpose of this ritual was essentially to establish "do we have enough kin ties so as to warrant not feeling compelled to kill each other". And to the best anyone could measure it, effective homicide rates among these people are SHOCKINGLY high, approaching WARTIME rates in the Western world.

793 J.S.  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:15:54pm

re: #761 WriterMom

I agree...yet Freddoso would state (in his book) over and over that Obama was in no way a "radical" -- and that the only people who'd claim that Obama was a radical were his wild-eyed detractors (like that Jerome Corsi fellow)...

794 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:16:00pm

re: #786 buzzsawmonkey

DHUMB DHIMMI JOOOOOOOS.

795 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:16:03pm

re: #722 J.S.

Excellent article. (that was one of the problems, btw, I found with that text, "The Case Against Obama" -- the author, David Freddoso, repeatedly stated that Obama was "not a radical." That's the one point I most disagreed with...I think Obama is, very much, a radical...and Freddoso was wrong to suggest otherwise...)

His mom was a radical. Her friends called her anarchist Annie, she hung out with anarchist high school teachers, she attended with her parents a Unitarian church know as "The Little Red Church."

His mentor on Hawaii, was Frank Marshall Davis a proud and radical member of CPUSA.

He met his father at 10, his father his a Marxist who believes in 100% taxation. His first book, "Dreams of My Father"

He has sought out and associated with radical after radical, Alinsky, Ayers, Wright.

Obama's entire upbringing and history is steeped in radical Marxist ideology.

796 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:16:05pm

re: #760 Eowyn2

Thats why they've started with the medical field. Once it falls, the utilities (already half way under the government thumb) will be the next to fall. It only makes sense. They are already talking about the whole 'meds or heat' delimna of the elderly (including 40-50 yr olds) so once they've got the medical and utilities, they will wait until there is another crisis. Too many homeless who have lost jobs, too many starving peoples. It doesnt take much to get a housing riot going when the gvmt starts foreclosing on the bad debt of the banking institution and if they can pull of a major freight strike, how long before bread lines form in NYC? Its not like a lot of grain or fruit is grown in Queens or the Bronx. If they can get NYC, Chicago, San Fran, Denver, LA, Seattle, Houson, and Dallas to all do food riots, the government will HAVE to step in.

I dont foresee this actually all taking place in my lifetime but I do see it over the next 30-40 yrs if it isn't stopped now.

A plausible scenario though I beleive the country might split down red/blue lines instead of eveyone opting to live in a socialistic/communistic state.

797 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:16:06pm

re: #786 buzzsawmonkey

The number of Jews who have attempted to reassure me about Obama's intentions towards Israel by citing his AIPAC address during the campaign (backed off from by him the next day) and his appointment of Rahm Emmanuel as chief of staff is depressing indeed.

Unconscionable.

798 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:16:14pm

re: #633 mikeymom

NOOOOO! declawing is mulilating! would you like your fingers cut off at the first knuckle? they need an exam by the vet--something is not right!

hey, I dont know nuthing bout no cats claws. I'm a puppy person.

799 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:16:27pm

re: #793 J.S.

"If it looks like a duck, yadda yadda yadda."

800 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:16:41pm

re: #791 WriterMom

Point? ME DON'T NEED NO STEENKING POINT.

You're just trying to distract us from His message of Hope and Change, you racist.

801 Killian Bundy  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:16:49pm

How He Did It: A Diagrammatic Analysis of the Obama Campaign

Anyone hoping to launch a successful counterattack must first analyze Obama's campaign and assess the factors that contributed to its success. To assist in such efforts, I have constructed a block diagram [1] of the post-nomination campaign's components, interactions, and successive stages [2]. A study of this diagram will, I think, reveal interactions that are too complex to be sorted out and comprehended from a verbal description alone.

/check it out checker outers

802 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:17:12pm

re: #764 capitalist piglet

There is an excellent book by security expert Gavin de Becker, called "The Gift of Fear". In it, he describes the methods of people who intend to do you harm. One of the things they do is attempt to get you to override your sense of fear, by ridiculing it or minimizing it: "Do I look like a bad guy to you? Why are you so paranoid? Just let me in to use the phone - I'll only be here a minute."

I think Democrats do this. It's all sell, sell, sell - and if you express fear or concern, they tell you that there's nothing to worry about. This is America, right? We all believe in the American dream, no? Then before you know it, we're where we are today.

DINGDINGDING

803 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:17:13pm

re: #647 WriterMom

OT: A Radical President
READ READ READ

He told Congress he does not believe in bigger government. I don't believe that. It's becoming clear that the private sector is going to be demoted into a secondary role in the U.S. system. This isn't socialism, but it is not the system we've had since the early 1980s. It would be a reordered economic system, its direction chosen and guided by Mr. Obama and his inner circle.

Correct. It's the gentle form of radical leftism, liberal fascism.

804 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:17:17pm

re: #779 Bloodnok

"Maybe he will govern from the center". "His appointments have impressed me".

Hahahahaa! Still gets me every time!

and, don't forget:

"....mmmmm, this KoolAid tastes good!"

805 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:17:17pm

re: #781 MandyManners

My mother thought I was nuts when I told her about ACORN, Soros, Cloward-Piven and Saul Alinsky many moons ago, Now, she believes me. Sometimes validation sucks.

Bruce Wayne: I guess you get to say I told you so now, Alfred
Alfred: I don't want to.
(walking away with Bruce)
Alfred: but I did bloody well tell you.

806 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:17:29pm

re: #800 Occasional Reader

Oh shut up, honkey.

807 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:17:32pm
808 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:17:38pm

re: #674 Kosh's Shadow

They say "never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity", but that would require such an enormous amount of stupidity that it boggles the mind that people that stupid could get into the positions of power they have.

I think the evil and the stupid are working hand-in-hand.

809 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:17:46pm

re: #761 WriterMom

He studied radicals, was groomed by radicals, quotes radicals, has dinner with radicals, had a radical pastor, radical friends and mentors. He's quite radical.

Born & raised by radicals.

810 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:18:21pm

re: #792 Pyrocles

Napoleon Chagnon received a lot of flak for properly describing the Yanomamo people of the Amazon as "warlike" and violent. They are, according to their own description of themselves.

[gets down on knees]

I'd run a million yards
to dodge your poison-tipped darts
my Yano-maaaaaamiiiii

-Al Jolson


[I never miss a chance to post this... shut up, OldLineTexan]

811 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:18:42pm

re: #776 Dark_Falcon

I pray so. We can start by pointing out the obvious and go from there. They only have to stand and resist, not accept the whole truth of what Obama is up to. Find what the people you are trying to reach will fear about Obama's objectives and then use those fears to turn them against him.

Why not adopt Alinsky's Rules?!

812 opnion  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:18:52pm

re: #767 MandyManners

When a man tells you who he is, believe him.

I cannot tell you amused I am when I hear people say that they tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I wonder how much buyers remorse is out there.

813 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:19:19pm

re: #812 opnion

I doubt they ever cop to it.

814 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:19:22pm

re: #789 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dick Morris: It’s Obama spreading panic

Exactly!
And the DOW is down by 84 points as I type.

815 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:19:23pm

re: #779 Bloodnok

"Maybe he will govern from the center". "His appointments have impressed me".

Hahahahaa! Still gets me every time!

MFM.

816 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:19:37pm

re: #792 Pyrocles

Ya, imagine that, the Yanomami not describing themselves as gentle souls, interested in setting up seances and knitting circles and book clubs.

817 hazzyday  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:19:46pm

re: #782 Jimmah

I agree. I think this is likely an emotional/hormonal problem anyway. I remember a couple of months back they seemed to 'fall in love' for a week or so, during which time they spent 95% of their day snuggled up in a box together purring and making those 'cat talk' noises they normally only make when eyeing up a pigeon outside the window. The current 'war' is starting to look like a flipside to that. I'll see what the vet has to say anyway.

Relatives have 17 rescued cats and three dogs. All in the house at once. All with personalites, special areas, friends and enemies. In general the dogs behave and listen well, but will eat any catfood in sight.

The cats play, fight. The worst one has his place in the garage. The relatives interact with these cats deeply. They get hugged, disciplined, fed constantly. "no more kids at home" A couple of these cats seem to respond to voice commands.

nothing scarier than waking up in the am and finding 5-6 cats perched over you looking hungry.

Fighting cats gets intervention, separation, and black marks on their score cards.

818 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:20:20pm

re: #543 Eowyn2

Is there a new tom in the neighborhood?

They are housecats.

819 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:20:24pm

re: #807 buzzsawmonkey

After the first ten or fifteen, I started saying that I now understood why the Jews of Germany could not see the handwriting on the wall.

Stop being such a gloomy Gus! The dance band is just starting to play on the aft deck. "Autumn", I think that's the piece...

820 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:20:33pm

re: #812 opnion

I wonder how much buyers remorse is out there.

From what I can tell a sizeable chunk have been given their easy answer (Bush did it all) and are sleeping comfortably with a wakeup call scheduled for November, 2012.

821 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:20:33pm

re: #812 opnion

I wonder how much buyers remorse is out there.

Not till 20/20/20*

*Unemployment/Inflation/Interest

822 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:20:40pm
"I hope whoever decided not to vote for McCain is f&cking happy now."

-Mandy Manners, PhD.

823 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:21:07pm

re: #792 Pyrocles

I read about the same subject in Victor Davis Hanson's History of War. He was also talking about the tribes in Borneo.

824 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:21:20pm
825 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:21:26pm

re: #774 Silhouette

Every gal in Constantinople lives in Istanbul

So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbulkilled by her family to preserve their honor

826 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:21:34pm

re: #819 Occasional Reader

Stop being such a gloomy Gus! The dance band is just starting to play on the aft deck. "Autumn", I think that's the piece...

Will you hold my sheet music in place? It keeps sliding away from me.

827 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:21:45pm

re: #784 Chicago Blonde

I've read that! Great book!

Nobody ever died from being laughed at.

It IS a great book.

I once had a guy in my house who was here to drop off one of those storage boxes that you pack and they then take back to a facility. He did this to me - he made an excuse to use the phone inside. He didn't look like a creep...he was handsome, and built like a pro football player. Something didn't seem right, but I let him in anyway, and he made a fake telephone call. Then he asked me what I do "for fun", and said he didn't need to be anywhere for a couple of hours.

It scared the hell out of me. I walked right to the front door, opened it, and walked outside. I told him to get out of my house. He did. A few minutes later, he was back, knocking on the front door - but by then, my very large-sounding Corgi was going nuts in front of it (he hadn't seen the dog when he was in here).

I learned a lesson that day, let me tell ya.

828 Picayune  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:21:46pm

re: #677 Iron Fist

Thanks for your "tune-up" on Durbin.

829 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:22:00pm

The new triple wammy coming to the rich successful:
For family incomes >$250K, individual >$200K
Raise the tax rate
Raise the capital gains rate
Reduce or eliminate itemized tax deductions

But the math says even this will not cover the debt Obama will generate. Look out below.

830 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:22:02pm

re: #811 MandyManners

Why not adopt Alinsky's Rules?!

Because we are honest people. We are different form Alinsky in that we don't try to create a crisis. We won't lie to the people we are trying to reach. But we have have to use people's fear to get them on our side. That's how politics works.

831 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:22:06pm

re: #824 buzzsawmonkey

And turn in that old unicorn for a new one!

832 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:22:07pm

re: #812 opnion

I wonder how much buyers remorse is out there.

There is some. I know a liberal who is increasingly unhappy with The One.

833 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:22:23pm
834 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:22:38pm

re: #816 WriterMom

Ya, imagine that, the Yanomami not describing themselves as gentle souls, interested in setting up seances and knitting circles and book clubs.

Penis-collecting clubs!

835 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:22:59pm

Projection at its best.

They convince themselves that the Jews would dehumanize them as much as they dehumanize the Jews. Listen to their language clearly and all you hear are dead Jews don't count except as a good thing.

We Jews are a little tired of that.

836 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:23:34pm

re: #805 ConservatismNow!

Bruce Wayne: I guess you get to say I told you so now, Alfred
Alfred: I don't want to.
(walking away with Bruce)
Alfred: but I did bloody well tell you.

Sometimes it's best to not say it, to just let the idiots twist in the wind.

837 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:23:41pm

Fucking unicorns.

838 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:23:44pm
839 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:24:03pm

The Yanomami eventually had their compeuppance when they ran into an even more lethal tribe, the Yurnosdaisi.

840 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:24:05pm

My wife and I have 37 cats in our small house, all of which we rescued. Some were about to be put to sleep for not using their litterbox... My wife's a huge bleeding-heart animal-lover Leftist! I do my best to suck it up and take care of the herd...

re: #817 hazzyday

Relatives have 17 rescued cats and three dogs. All in the house at once. All with personalites, special areas, friends and enemies. In general the dogs behave and listen well, but will eat any catfood in sight.

The cats play, fight. The worst one has his place in the garage. The relatives interact with these cats deeply. They get hugged, disciplined, fed constantly. "no more kids at home" A couple of these cats seem to respond to voice commands.

nothing scarier than waking up in the am and finding 5-6 cats perched over you looking hungry.

Fighting cats gets intervention, separation, and black marks on their score cards.

841 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:24:18pm

re: #812 opnion

I wonder how much buyers remorse is out there.

It'll really come to a head next April 15.

842 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:24:19pm

re: #829 VioletTiger

The new triple wammy coming to the rich successful:
For family incomes >$250K, individual >$200K
Raise the tax rate
Raise the capital gains rate
Reduce or eliminate itemized tax deductions

But the math says even this will not cover the debt Obama will generate. Look out below.


Don't forget the reduction of tax write offs to charities. I wonder whoi Obama thinks donates to good causes,,,HOMELESS/ JOBELSS/ POOR/ Welfare recipients!?!?!

843 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:24:20pm
Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this Bullshit


- Tool, Aenema

844 Irenike  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:24:45pm

re: #661 LGoPs

I can't think of any word to describe bastards like Cloward and Piven other than evil.
They go far beyond looking out for the poor. They seek the destruction of the most successful, benevolent country in history to satisfy their sick, twisted resentful bile. They're using our country as their fucking therapy couch.
Goddamn them to hell.

You are so right about their desire to destroy. They want the country to be more than a therapy couch. They want it to be their own kingdom, with them and their cronies in charge.

Dennis Prager was interviewing Robert Bork this morning. Bork said his "critical legal theory" students use to argue for the destruction of the US justice system, on the grounds that it was terrible and unjust. Bork would ask them what they proposed to put in its place. They said they didn't know. They wanted to destroy it first, and then figure out the minor detail of what to put in its place later. Kind of like destroying your ship before you figure out how you're going to keep sailing on once the ship is sunk.

Didn't Comrade President O teach critical legal theory at U Chicago? What a comforting thought.

845 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:24:46pm

re: #838 buzzsawmonkey

Mix 'em! Match 'em! Collect the whole set!

You're foreskin me to jump in here.

846 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:24:50pm

re: #826 Bloodnok

Will you hold my sheet music in place? It keeps sliding away from me.

Certainly. More ice for your drink?

847 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:24:50pm

re: #827 capitalist piglet

(((((Capitalist Piglet))))

Thank G-d you got out ok. And for noisy Corgis!

I don't care if someone thinks I am overreacting or if I do hurt some guy's feelings in a situation like that. Nobody died from that either.

You know what's ironic? Putting DeBecker on her show is a worthwhile thing Oprah did.

848 the_flying_pig  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:25:12pm

If there are Michael Slackmans in the world of journalism, God helps us all.

849 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:25:29pm

re: #840 Pyrocles

My wife and I have 37 cats in our small house,


naahh ,,,, too easy !

//

850 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:25:34pm

re: #829 VioletTiger

The new triple wammy coming to the rich successful:
For family incomes >$250K, individual >$200K
Raise the tax rate
Raise the capital gains rate
Reduce or eliminate itemized tax deductions

But the math says even this will not cover the debt Obama will generate. Look out below.

If Obama taxes income above $500,000 at 100% it will only raise $1.3B, once.

The 2% Illusion
Take everything they earn, and it still won't be enough.

Consider the IRS data for 2006, the most recent year that such tax data are available and a good year for the economy and "the wealthiest 2%." Roughly 3.8 million filers had adjusted gross incomes above $200,000 in 2006. (That's about 7% of all returns; the data aren't broken down at the $250,000 point.) These people paid about $522 billion in income taxes, or roughly 62% of all federal individual income receipts. The richest 1% -- about 1.65 million filers making above $388,806 -- paid some $408 billion, or 39.9% of all income tax revenues, while earning about 22% of all reported U.S. income.

[snip]

But let's not stop at a 42% top rate; as a thought experiment, let's go all the way. A tax policy that confiscated 100% of the taxable income of everyone in America earning over $500,000 in 2006 would only have given Congress an extra $1.3 trillion in revenue. That's less than half the 2006 federal budget of $2.7 trillion and looks tiny compared to the more than $4 trillion Congress will spend in fiscal 2010. Even taking every taxable "dime" of everyone earning more than $75,000 in 2006 would have barely yielded enough to cover that $4 trillion.
851 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:25:45pm

re: #830 Dark_Falcon

Because we are honest people. We are different form Alinsky in that we don't try to create a crisis. We won't lie to the people we are trying to reach. But we have have to use people's fear to get them on our side. That's how politics works.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

852 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:25:49pm

re: #842 sattv4u2

Don't forget the reduction of tax write offs to charities. I wonder whoi Obama thinks donates to good causes,,,HOMELESS/ JOBELSS/ POOR/ Welfare recipients!?!?!

That is not just to raise taxes, but to discourage private funding of charities.

The State must be to only one left to be relied upon to help all.

853 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:25:54pm

The Left thinks that the Republicans are using fear when they talk about terrorism, etc. They believe that the Right is using some of their own tricks, when the Right is usually clueless about those tactics in reality. The Right sometimes seems like blundering goody-goodies.

re: #830 Dark_Falcon

Because we are honest people. We are different form Alinsky in that we don't try to create a crisis. We won't lie to the people we are trying to reach. But we have have to use people's fear to get them on our side. That's how politics works.

854 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:26:01pm
855 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:26:04pm

re: #845 Ford_Prefect

You're foreskin me to jump in here.


My mohel is a cut above the rest!

856 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:26:06pm

re: #834 MandyManners

Penis-collecting clubs!

*curls into fetal position and whimpers*

857 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:26:07pm

re: #843 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Love Tool. Love them.

858 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:26:07pm

re: #840 Pyrocles

My wife and I have 37 cats in our small house, all of which we rescued. Some were about to be put to sleep for not using their litterbox... My wife's a huge bleeding-heart animal-lover Leftist! I do my best to suck it up and take care of the herd...

You're one of those crazy cat people!

/kidding

859 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:26:12pm

re: #827 capitalist piglet

WHOA. Glad you are OK.

860 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:26:19pm

re: #838 buzzsawmonkey

Mix 'em! Match 'em! Collect the whole set!

*snort*

861 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:02pm

re: #808 lurking faith

I think the evil and the stupid are working hand-in-hand.

the evil use the stupid.

862 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:08pm

re: #855 LudwigVanQuixote

My mohel is a cut above the rest!

I don't like the derection this is going...

863 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:19pm

Obama solution begets crises

Mr. Obama's agenda actually threatens to plunge America into new crises, while extending the current crises.

Profoundly anti-market and anti-capitalist themes and tones run through Mr. Obama's speech. Nowhere in the world has a country risen to prosperity by blowing up markets (in energy, for example) and turning to massive state intervention (banking) to solve problems, especially problems that do not even exist (oil dependence).

RTWFT!

864 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:19pm

re: #850 jcm

If Obama taxes income above $500,000 at 100% it will only raise $1.3B, once.

In my humble opinion, the key word in that sentence.

865 opnion  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:21pm

re: #841 MandyManners

It'll really come to a head next April 15.

Yeah, but you know I don't want to hear, "But, I didn't know." It was all out there.

866 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:28pm

re: #854 buzzsawmonkey

re: #855 LudwigVanQuixote

I am erecting a defense now.

867 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:29pm

re: #833 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sorry, I have to arrange these deck chairs. They keep falling into each other for some reason.

haha!...I need a laugh

868 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:39pm

We are! Or at least my wife is, and I'm too weak to say "no" :(

re: #858 Dark_Falcon

You're one of those crazy cat people!

/kidding

869 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:43pm

re: #839 Occasional Reader

The Yanomami eventually had their compeuppance when they ran into an even more lethal tribe, the Yurnosdaisi.

Not even ONE measly upding for that inspired witticism? Sheesh, tough room.

870 J.S.  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:45pm

re: #795 jcm

I got the impression that David Freddoso was so adamant about Obama not being a "radical" was because Freddoso was anxious to distance himself from people like Corsi...(so, the easy way was to allege that Obama wasn't a radical, and wasn't what Corsi claimed...Freddoso wanted to dampen down the rhetoric...I wonder if Freddoso has regrets now? or does he still believe that Obama "isn't a radical?")

871 Bloodnok  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:27:45pm

re: #857 Chicago Blonde

Love Tool. Love them.

So do the Yanomami.

872 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:28:01pm

re: #782 Jimmah

I agree. I think this is likely an emotional/hormonal problem anyway. I remember a couple of months back they seemed to 'fall in love' for a week or so, during which time they spent 95% of their day snuggled up in a box together purring and making those 'cat talk' noises they normally only make when eyeing up a pigeon outside the window. The current 'war' is starting to look like a flipside to that. I'll see what the vet has to say anyway.

Jimmah have you ever tried Feliway? It is a spray for the room, even comes in one of those auto spray things. It has pheremones that calm the kitties and preventing fighting, scratching, etc. Dr. Foster and Smith carry it. Works great. I've used this for all cat fight problems.

873 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:28:07pm

re: #862 Leonidas Hoplite

Oh don't make a mountain out of a mohel-hill.

874 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:28:07pm

re: #846 Occasional Reader

Certainly. More ice for your drink?

I think I'll go for a swim. Care to join me?

875 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:28:22pm

re: #840 Pyrocles

My wife and I have 37 cats in our small house, all of which we rescued. Some were about to be put to sleep for not using their litterbox... My wife's a huge bleeding-heart animal-lover Leftist! I do my best to suck it up and take care of the herd...

As I was going to St Ives, I met a man with seven wives, each wife had siven bags, each bag had seven cats. How many were going to St Ives?

876 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:28:43pm
When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?


- The Clash, Guns of Brixton

877 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:28:44pm

re: #734 ConservatismNow!

I read somewhere a few years back about the disturbing (according to the article writer) shift of the military to the right. It got me to thinking. Did the military shift right or did the country shift left? It seems that modern American culture has abandoned many of the values espoused by the military.

The left despises the military; why would they join it? And the elitist left won't do any kind of work that would require them to wash their hands afterward, or break a sweat.

878 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:28:50pm

re: #871 Bloodnok

/Ah, but do they appreciate Pink Floyd? :)

879 Desert Dog  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:28:57pm

re: #869 Occasional Reader

Not even ONE measly upding for that inspired witticism? Sheesh, tough room.

Nobody wants to be your Huckleberry today, I guess

880 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:29:05pm

re: #827 capitalist piglet

I've heard WAY too many stories from women living along about weirdly inappopriate behavior by the Cable Guy, furniture delivery guy, etc.

Ladies, if you have to let a strange man into your home for any reason, HAVE A PLAN.

881 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:29:08pm

re: #817 hazzyday

nothing scarier than waking up in the am and finding 5-6 cats perched over you looking hungry.

Warning: the following post has been rated GROSS.

I dunno. One morning I woke up with just one hungry cat sitting on my chest purring, and salivating freely into my mouth. I remember tightly pursing my lips and letting out a muffled scream, then the horrible sensation of cat saliva escaping from the corners of my mouth and running down my jaw and neck. Not a great start to the day.

882 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:29:11pm

re: #851 MandyManners

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

I intend to bring a Thompson SMG. I'm going to fire for effect on what Obama's plan will do to the people I talk to. I'm going to tell my co-workers about what his "taxes on the wealthy" will increase the withholding on their commission checks for a start. Nothing like telling people about the direct costs to them to get their attention.

883 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:29:19pm

re: #862 Leonidas Hoplite

I don't like the derection this is going...

You mean like the Mohel who had a great big sailing ship poster in his office?

It was after all a Yankee Clipper!

884 nyc redneck  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:29:38pm

re: #827 capitalist piglet


never be afraid to offend a stranger (or even some one you know) if your gut instincts tell you to beware..

885 Nevergiveup  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:29:41pm

re: #734 ConservatismNow!

I read somewhere a few years back about the disturbing (according to the article writer) shift of the military to the right. It got me to thinking. Did the military shift right or did the country shift left? It seems that modern American culture has abandoned many of the values espoused by the military.

I don't know anything about the article you are referencing but although the Military may be to the right of the general populace, it ain't that much to the right.

886 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:29:41pm

re: #865 opnion

Yeah, but you know I don't want to hear, "But, I didn't know." It was all out there.

Ask them if they paid attention.

887 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:29:52pm

re: #847 Chicago Blonde

(((((Capitalist Piglet))))

Thank G-d you got out ok. And for noisy Corgis!

I don't care if someone thinks I am overreacting or if I do hurt some guy's feelings in a situation like that. Nobody died from that either.

You know what's ironic? Putting DeBecker on her show is a worthwhile thing Oprah did.

I remember that. It is ironic. The well-groomed, "clean, articulate" < /stupidjoe > man just talked his way into the White House, and he's going to make some big changes. Bad ones.

(Thank you for the e-hug...and I do believe that G-d, and my Corgi, saved me from something bad that day.)

888 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:30:02pm

re: #850 jcm

I wonder how all those Hollywood liberals will feel about "paying their fair share" now?

/bet they flee the country

889 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:30:15pm

re: #875 Eowyn2

As a kid, that one always bothered me because you can meet people at a fork in the road who are going where you are going. So technically, the kits, cats, sacks, and wives could also be going to St. Ives.

890 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:30:29pm

re: #873 WriterMom

Thanks for the tip.

891 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:30:48pm

re: #880 Occasional Reader

I always do and I'm not shy about using it.

I hope in my earlier post is was clear I meant no guy ever died from having hurt feelings. Sometimes I get ahead of myself.

892 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:30:55pm

BEST CARTOON EVAH !

Image: image.jpg

893 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:30:56pm

re: #869 Occasional Reader

Not even ONE measly upding for that inspired witticism? Sheesh, tough room.

Sorry I didn't get it.

894 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:30:57pm

re: #857 Chicago Blonde

Love Tool. Love them.

Met Maynard once. Me and a buddy had backstage passes to a show they did in NC. Nice guy. Took the time to talk to everyone there and was very approachable.

895 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:31:11pm

re: #839 Occasional Reader

The Yanomami eventually had their compeuppance when they ran into an even more lethal tribe, the Yurnosdaisi.

I guess it would have helped if I hadn't typoed it:

Yurnodaisi

There! Now upding away!

896 Killian Bundy  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:31:16pm

BURRIS' SON GOT STATE JOB FROM BLAGO

The son of embattled Sen. Roland Burris is a federal tax deadbeat who landed a $75,000-a-year state job under former Gov. Rod Blagojevich five months ago, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.

Blagojevich's administration hired Roland W. Burris II as a senior counsel for the state's housing authority Sept. 10 -- about six weeks after the Internal Revenue Service slapped a $34,163 tax lien on Burris II and three weeks after a mortgage company filed a foreclosure suit on his South Side house.

/it's the Chicago way

897 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:31:20pm

re: #884 nyc redneck

Last week, I changed subway seats because the man next to me was acting very strange, he kind of glared at me in an offended/'hurt' way but I couldn't have cared less. He set off my crazy radar.

898 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:31:40pm

re: #890 Kenneth

Thanks for the tip.

That's what the mohel said...


Ducking and returning to physics....

899 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:31:59pm

It's very frustrating to read this. Hamas fires rockets into civilian centers purposefully, in order to murder innocent Israeli's. The IDF fires rockets (usually in response to Hamas' aggression) into civilian areas not to target civilians, but because Hamas hides among said population. Yet this is the propaganda war that Israel has to combat on a daily basis, both at home and in the world arena. It angers me to no end but it's also one of many things that keeps me going as a pro-Israel activist, *especially here in the SF Bay Area*.

900 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:32:05pm

re: #880 Occasional Reader

I've heard WAY too many stories from women living along about weirdly inappopriate behavior by the Cable Guy, furniture delivery guy, etc.

Ladies, if you have to let a strange man into your home for any reason, HAVE A PLAN.

Mine is written in lead.

901 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:32:10pm

re: #880 Occasional Reader

I've heard WAY too many stories from women living along about weirdly inappopriate behavior by the Cable Guy, furniture delivery guy, etc.

Ladies, if you have to let a strange man into your home for any reason, HAVE A PLAN.

"alone"... sheesh... time for a coffee, apparently

902 jcm  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:32:15pm

re: #888 Ward Cleaver

I wonder how all those Hollywood liberals will feel about "paying their fair share" now?

/bet they flee the country

Can you imagine living on ONLY $500,000 a year!

THE HORROR!

903 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:32:15pm

re: #895 Occasional Reader

Fishing for a sympathy ding?

904 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:32:17pm

re: #859 WriterMom

WHOA. Glad you are OK.

Thank you. Me too. He wasn't what you'd expect a bad person to be. He looked good, sounded good, and had a reason to be there.

It's so important to listen to your gut, and not be talked into something simply because someone who seems benign on the surface is telling you it's all right.

905 yma o hyd  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:32:26pm

re: #863 Kenneth

Obama solution begets crises

RTWFT!

From that article:

'The Wall Street Journal's Holman Jenkins wrote yesterday that the idea of energy independence was "a favourite of Tojo and Hitler" but "was debunked by Churchill, who reasoned that true energy security came from a diversity of suppliers, not the foolish pursuit of self-sufficiency."

Interesting, very interesting!

906 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:32:36pm

re: #894 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Met Maynard once. Me and a buddy had backstage passes to a show they did in NC. Nice guy. Took the time to talk to everyone there and was very approachable.

I had breakfast once with.......oh never mind

907 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:32:45pm

re: #869 Occasional Reader

Not even ONE measly upding for that inspired witticism? Sheesh, tough room.

Val Kilmers greatest role.

908 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:33:07pm

re: #861 Eowyn2

the evil use the stupid.

That, too.

909 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:33:11pm

re: #900 MandyManners

Mine is written in lead.

"Friend, we deal in lead."

-Steve McQueen, The Magnificent Seven

910 capitalist piglet  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:33:27pm

re: #880 Occasional Reader

Absolutely.

911 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:33:39pm

re: #907 Eowyn2

Val Kilmers greatest role.

our next gov here in NM

912 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:33:46pm

re: #907 Eowyn2

I thought he was hot in Top Gun.

913 opnion  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:33:58pm

re: #886 MandyManners

Ask them if they paid attention.

They'll swear that they paid strict attention, but nobody mentioned that he was a you know , Marxist!

914 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:34:32pm

re: #882 Dark_Falcon

I intend to bring a Thompson SMG. I'm going to fire for effect on what Obama's plan will do to the people I talk to. I'm going to tell my co-workers about what his "taxes on the wealthy" will increase the withholding on their commission checks for a start. Nothing like telling people about the direct costs to them to get their attention.

That usually does the trick.

915 albusteve  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:34:36pm

re: #912 WriterMom

I thought he was hot in Top Gun.

he was an awsome Doc Holliday

916 Pyrocles  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:34:37pm

Rich liberal celebrities will just do what U2's been doing.

re: #902 jcm

Can you imagine living on ONLY $500,000 a year!

THE HORROR!

917 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:34:57pm

re: #903 WriterMom

Fishing for a sympathy ding?

You'd have updinged buzzsawmonkey!

Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!

[sulk]

918 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:35:05pm

re: #889 Silhouette

it always bugged me too.

If you shoot a blue elephant with a blue elephant gun, what do use to shoot a pink elephant?

you hold its trunk till it turns blue then use your blue elephant gun

919 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:35:12pm

re: #912 WriterMom

I thought he was hot in Top Gun.

I still think Real Genius was his best work.

"Sometimes, you need to take a step back. Nope, forward. Ok, back, forward, back, forward. AND NOW WE DO THE CHACHA!"

920 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:35:33pm

re: #887 capitalist piglet

I believe they saved you too.

I listen to that little voice. It told me Mr. Blonde is a good guy, it screamed in pain (and I ignored it like a fool) the first day I drove to the workplace of a nasty, belittling man. Should've kept driving.

921 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:35:34pm

re: #891 Chicago Blonde

I always do and I'm not shy about using it.

I hope in my earlier post is was clear I meant no guy ever died from having hurt feelings. Sometimes I get ahead of myself.

Nor from an elbow to the throat, a stomp to the instep and a punch to the crotch.

922 quickjustice  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:35:46pm

Moral relativism? The N.Y. Times? Charles, the N.Y. Times abandoned any notions of conventional morality decades ago. Serial adultery is a career goal for many senior N.Y. Times reporters and managers. They define the term "metrosexual" as themselves. They have nothing in common with normal people. By their definitions, the only people capable of sexual immorality, or of any other kind of immorality, are Republicans, Israelis, and anyone who doesn't fawn over the "oppressed" masses.

Expect these sorts of arguments to continue, and to grow worse.

923 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:35:48pm

re: #872 VioletTiger

Jimmah have you ever tried Feliway? It is a spray for the room, even comes in one of those auto spray things. It has pheremones that calm the kitties and preventing fighting, scratching, etc. Dr. Foster and Smith carry it. Works great. I've used this for all cat fight problems.

And this really works? I'll look into it. I'm just hoping they just snap out of it soon and go back to normal.

924 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:35:59pm

re: #917 Occasional Reader

You'd have updinged buzzsawmonkey!

Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!

[sulk]

The problem is we only occasionally read your posts.

/

925 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:36:02pm

re: #912 WriterMom

I thought he was hot in Top Gun.

Do you think he calls up Tom Cruise and tells him he's still dangerous?

926 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:36:12pm

re: #818 Jimmah

They are housecats.


Eowyn is right. Even if they are in the house, if there are cats outside, they can react--protecting their territory in their minds.

927 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:36:35pm

re: #912 WriterMom

I thought he was hot in Top Gun.

*drool*

928 Killer Tomato  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:36:57pm

re: #880 Occasional Reader

I've heard WAY too many stories from women living along about weirdly inappopriate behavior by the Cable Guy, furniture delivery guy, etc.

Ladies, if you have to let a strange man into your home for any reason, HAVE A PLAN.

I usually answer the door with a gun in my hand, but I'm weird that way.

929 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:37:09pm

re: #894 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WOW! Good deal!

930 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:37:32pm

re: #909 Occasional Reader

"Friend, we deal in lead."

-Steve McQueen, The Magnificent Seven

I'm busy drooling.

931 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:37:38pm

Can't get the new thread to load up, something keeps hanging

932 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:37:45pm

re: #927 MandyManners

They are all babbling about acting! I'm talking hotness.

933 WriterMom  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:38:11pm

re: #931 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just don't do like that Russian kid did! It's not worth it, Kragar!

934 VioletTiger  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:38:16pm

re: #923 Jimmah

And this really works? I'll look into it. I'm just hoping they just snap out of it soon and go back to normal.


Works great.
You can get it at a pet store but also online.

935 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:38:21pm

re: #921 MandyManners

True, true.

936 quickjustice  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:38:43pm

re: #905 yma o hyd

Churchill "reasoned" about energy independence? Churchill divided up the Ottoman Empire after the First World War, ensuring that British Navy had a plentiful oil supply from Iran and Iraq, among other places.

937 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:38:53pm

re: #905 yma o hyd

Iran, Venezuela and Nigeria are all "energy independent". How's that working out for them?

938 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:39:27pm

re: #933 WriterMom

Just don't do like that Russian kid did! It's not worth it, Kragar!

Sucker tried to use drugs to make up for lack of skills. I've never had that problem.

939 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:40:29pm

re: #915 albusteve

he was an awsome Doc Holliday

Yes indeed. He really conveyed Holliday's sense of "southern gentleman with nothing to lose".

940 Silhouette  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:40:33pm

re: #884 nyc redneck

never be afraid to offend a stranger (or even some one you know) if your gut instincts tell you to beware..

Every stranger I've had to "offend" in that way has completely understood when I explained to them. I imagine the only ones you would really offend need offending.

A nurse at the hospital wanted to take my newborn to the nursery, but didn't have her badge on. I said not without a badge. She complimented me. Never in years of nursing had anyone questioned her. People were just handing over their babies to strangers in scrubs.

941 Aye Pod  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:40:34pm

Dinner time for me folks. Thanks for the help with the 'cats of war'.

942 quickjustice  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:41:20pm

re: #933 WriterMom

And on the subway, a 30-something female stranger sat down next to me, and began rubbing up against me. I'm male, but it was weird, not flattering. Maybe she was trying to drum up some business! ;-)

943 Chicago Blonde  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:41:58pm

re: #941 Jimmah

the 'cats of war'.

Sounds like a Simpsons title.

Bye guys, I'll see you Lizards tomorrow.

944 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:42:19pm

re: #912 WriterMom

I thought he was hot in Top Gun.

And Willow; awesome as Mad Mardigan

945 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:42:50pm

And now to relax some;

I was once out strolling one very hot summer's day
When I thought I'd lay myself down to rest
In a big field of tall grass
I laid there in the sun and felt it carressing my face
As I fell asleep and dreamed
I dreamed I was in a hollywood movie
And that I was the star of the movie
This really blew my mind
The fact that me an overfed long haired leaping gnome
Should be the star of a hollywood movie, hmmm

- Eric Burdon, Spill the Wine

946 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:43:16pm

re: #936 quickjustice

Iran was never part of the Ottoman Empire.

947 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:43:54pm

re: #880 Occasional Reader

I've heard WAY too many stories from women living along about weirdly inappopriate behavior by the Cable Guy, furniture delivery guy, etc.

Ladies, if you have to let a strange man into your home for any reason, HAVE A PLAN.

I call Mr. faith to tell them they've arrived, and let them hear me telling him I will call him again as soon as they leave.

I also make sure I am between the strange man and at least one of the following: the front door, the kitchen (big sharp knives in easy reach), a Maglite (sometimes I'll actually carry one "in case we need extra light"), or fireplace tools. I have a planned weapon of some kind in every room.

948 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:45:04pm

re: #884 nyc redneck

never be afraid to offend a stranger (or even some one you know) if your gut instincts tell you to beware..

I completely agree. What's your home address? I'd like to drop by and discuss this with you further.

/////

949 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:46:50pm

I seem to be stuck on this thread. Can't get the main page or the new thread to load

950 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:48:02pm

re: #947 lurking faith

I call Mr. faith to tell them they've arrived, and let them hear me telling him I will call him again as soon as they leave.

I also make sure I am between the strange man and at least one of the following: the front door, the kitchen (big sharp knives in easy reach), a Maglite (sometimes I'll actually carry one "in case we need extra light"), or fireplace tools. I have a planned weapon of some kind in every room.

And frankly, I see nothing inappropriate or odd about being sure you have, say, a good folding knife in your pocket, just in case.

I do like the "extra light" Maglite. I keep one in my car. A couple years back, my car was (very lightly) rear-ended by a car containing 3 young guys. I pulled over, got out with my Maglite "to inspect the damage". They were VERY apologetic.

951 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:48:41pm

re: #949 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I seem to be stuck on this thread. Can't get the main page or the new thread to load

Do not attempt to adjust your browser. We control the vertical. We also control the horizontal.

952 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:50:01pm

re: #946 Kenneth

Iran was never part of the Ottoman Empire.

Well, no wonder they're so ornery. They haven't been able to put their feet up for like 8 centuries!

953 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:50:24pm

re: #951 Occasional Reader

Do not attempt to adjust your browser. We control the vertical. We also control the horizontal.

And the degauss, should you be working on a CRT monitor. Do not attempt to remove magnetic buildup from your monitor.

954 Kenneth  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:50:55pm

re: #952 Occasional Reader

That was sofa-nny!

955 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:52:27pm
956 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:52:59pm

re: #953 ConservatismNow!

And the degauss, should you be working on a CRT monitor. Do not attempt to remove magnetic buildup from your monitor.

I've gone straight to percussive maintenance. I'm hitting it till it works

957 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:58:09pm

re: #954 Kenneth

You're divan to the bottom of the barrel now.

958 Digital Display  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 12:58:18pm

re: #912 WriterMom

I thought he was hot in Top Gun.


Yes..But he sure has gone to hell in a handbasket lately..Overweight and frumpy looking last i saw him..
/Good afternoon Writermom!

959 lurking faith  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:05:05pm

re: #889 Silhouette

But if you "meet" someone in the road, usually it's because you're going in opposite directions. Otherwise, you'd be passing them, or they you. Meeting at a fork or intersection is possible, but there is a lot more straight road than intersection-crossed road, and even at an intersection those you meet could be proceeding therefrom in a different direction than you are.

Thus, the man with kits, cats, sacks, and wives is much more likely to be heading away from St. Ives than towards it, so the most likely answer is "one."

If you feel you just have to say "probably one, but just possibly it could be 2 plus 7 plus 49 plus 343 plus 2401, which equals 2802," be my guest. :)

960 DistantThunder  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:05:42pm

re: #802 MandyManners

DINGDINGDING

Mr DT has spoken to GAvin DeBecker several time in the course of his work. The other quality of predators is that they are usually "nice." so Mr DeBecker warns that "nice" or "cool" isn't a characteristic, it's a social strategy to get people to drop their defenses.

Democrats pretend to benefit the public while hurting them. My suggestion for a bumpersticker is:

Democrats Torture Taxpayers.

961 Kragar  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:14:16pm

Is anyone else having problems loading the other threads?

962 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:15:02pm
963 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:17:57pm
964 Occasional Reader  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:26:08pm

re: #961 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is anyone else having problems loading the other threads?

Not I. They load fine.

965 mardukhai  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:28:40pm

This thread is way too slow... Can't really participate.

966 Earth56  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:41:20pm

The New York Time right now is 4:41 PM EST

future use of the NYT

967 Irenike  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:51:20pm

The opening line of Eric Tragar's article is this:

In his latest “Memo from Cairo,” New York Times correspondent Michael Slackman virtually begs the Obama administration to avoid using the word “terrorist” in reference to Hamas and Hezbollah.

Um, since when has President O ever used the dreaded t-word? He didn't talk about terrorists, Hamas or Hezbollah during the primary debates, and, correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't heard him mention them since he's been in office. He's too busy with wind turbines to bother with those little ol' disgruntled folks way over there in the Middle East somewhere.

968 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:55:12pm

re: #880 Occasional Reader

I've heard WAY too many stories from women living along about weirdly inappopriate behavior by the Cable Guy, furniture delivery guy, etc.

Ladies, if you have to let a strange man into your home for any reason, HAVE A PLAN.

Whenever I moved into a new place, I made sure all the neighbors saw me unload rifles galore.

969 Eowyn2  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 1:56:46pm

re: #958 HoosierHoops

Yes..But he sure has gone to hell in a handbasket lately..Overweight and frumpy looking last i saw him..
/Good afternoon Writermom!

I heard he was fighting some kind of cancer.

970 wiffersnapper  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 2:36:57pm

Terrorist Terrorist Terrorist!

Just getting my fill before this word gets banned.

971 transient  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 2:46:11pm

Jeez, I feel bad about drive-by posting.

re: #516 capitalist piglet

I am already starting to wonder whether, in four years, America will exist. Seriously.


I think America is more resilient than that. I don't know what things are going to look like in 4 years. The situation probably won't be pretty. Given the economic situation at the moment you'd think there isn't much farther down we can go and as long as we stay a (mostly) free market, the cycle will turn around--irrespective of who's in the White House.

re: #530 Kosh's Shadow

There won't be anyone else to vote for. Or at least, the MFMSM won't cover anyone who isn't completely loony, just for entertainment value.

We're already down to 1 1/2 parties; in a couple more years, there will be nothing but a token opposition, kept around to give the illusion of choice of government.


Whether there's anyone else to vote for depends primarily on the Rep party. The MSM is a handicap, but they're not insurmountable. I think people here are overestimating their importance.

re: #535 yma o hyd

Some people will definitely believe him! Not all, but certainly some. After all, some people here in the UK are still blaming Maggie for everything - and she resigned in 1992 ...


Those people probably never voted for her in the first place...we just need enough people to come out of the trance to get him out of office. The country can survive 4 years of this. 8 years would be very ugly.

972 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 3:59:24pm

I'm coming in late, again, but I have to say that is a great commentary by Trager.

973 Zeus66  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:57:10pm

Yet another example of why it's a fool's game to apply logic and reason to the average Muslim's analysis of anything. Many of them (not all, of course, but I would argue a majority) simply do not think at a fundamental level like most of us. Thinking they will be swayed by reasoned arguments or the iteration of facts that are unassailable is folly. It's a waste of our energies. To the extent possible, the West simply must ignore Muslims and allow them to self-segregate, as they seem to desire. How often do you think about Africa or anything African? Probably very infrequently, unless you have some interest there. It's just a shame so many of the oil reserves are where they are. Just our luck they're under Arab Muslim soil instead of our own (or Canada's, Western Europe's, etc.). We're forced to deal with people who are incapable/unwilling to think/live rationally. Oh well.

974 rick1313  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:13:21pm

re: #133 jaunte

What we are observing is an irrational hatred of western civilization on display for all to see. I have no idea where the individual comes to this sickness; brain-washing the mush heads at most college campuses, radical idiot parents from the 60 or just plain old garden variety peer pressure from the degenerate culture we now find ourselves mired in. The culture in this country is sick and symptomatic of the costs associated with progressive influence. I thought that 9/11 was going to be enough to wake up the ignorant and the willful but I guess I was wrong. Give the knuckleheads in Washington a little more time and they will effectively dismantle the defenses of this country. This sort of thinking will spell the doom of this country. I often wonder just what the HELL these idiots think will happen if the other side gets the upper hand in this war. Do they not realize that they will first in line at the beheading party as the maniacs will consider them apostates and heretics? Just a little to consider for our brain-damaged friend's on the left.

975 AreaMan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:49:04am

Michael Slackman has been covering the Middle East for the NYT since the middle of 2005. He has been covering mainly Egypt for a year or so.

I think the article was written to explain Egyptian attitudes to clueless Americans. And possibly to ingratiate Slackman with radical Egyptians to get close enough for a story.

We do have a problem in that we have never precisely defined what we mean by terrorism. It is a hard word to define. Try to write down a definition.

Most people make the mistake of defining terrorism as attacks on civilians. That doesn't wash with history. On the one hand, we have the strategic bombing of WWII. On the other hand we have the attacks on the USS Cole and the Pentagon. I think it is much closer to the truth to say terrorism is an attack by civilians, or at least by those not wearing uniforms. Perhaps terrorism is "An act of war by an NGO".

Since we were never clear in defining terrorism, we left the door open for our enemies to use it back on us. Our vulnerability is our own mistake.

976 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:46am

re: #975 AreaMan

Michael Slackman has been covering the Middle East for the NYT since the middle of 2005. He has been covering mainly Egypt for a year or so.

I think the article was written to explain Egyptian attitudes to clueless Americans. And possibly to ingratiate Slackman with radical Egyptians to get close enough for a story.

Have you considered that you might be looking at the problem from the wrong angle? Maybe Americans do understand "Egyptian attitudes" better than you think -- and maybe Americans don't accept those attitudes, and don't think they deserve sympathy.


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