Biden To Sell Bankruptcy to the Coal Industry

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Joltin’ Joe Biden’s next job: making a case for carbon caps.

PHILADELPHIA – The Obama administration is hoping to convince struggling Rust Belt and coal country states that the cap on carbon emissions they have long resisted as a threat to their livelihoods is actually the key to their economic turnaround.

It’ll take some finesse.

No kidding. Especially after Obama told the San Francisco Chronicle he intends to “bankrupt” the coal industry.

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401 comments
1 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:25:43am

USA 1775 - 2009.

2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:25:45am

Nobody messes with Joe Biden!

3 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:26:22am
It’ll take some finesse.

Finesse? More like Vasoline.

4 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:02am

re: #2 Charles

Nobody messes with Joe Biden!

Least of all Joe Biden.

5 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:17am

It’ll take some finesse

So why is Biden in on it/ To provide some comic relief?

6 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:24am

I hope they tell Joe to Fuck off and ride him out on a rail.

7 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:38am

No Coal.
No domestic oil.
No Nuclear.

Energy independence on unicorn farts!

8 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:51am

In the meantime as China builds up the Coal industry is going to become one of the only profitable ones and he plans to bankrupt it?

9 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:59am

re: #7 jcm

No Coal.
No domestic oil.
No Nuclear.

Energy independence on unicorn farts!

Which they will tax by each emission.

10 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:28:34am

re: #7 jcm

No Coal.
No domestic oil.
No Nuclear.

Energy independence on unicorn farts!

I hear hippies (not engineers) at UC Berkeley are coming up with plans to harvest them. Zombie will have pictures.

11 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:29:03am

America is the Saudi Arabia of coal.

12 redheadredstate  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:29:30am

I am a confirmed card-carrying cynic (man that’s a lot of C’s) and even I am absolutely gobsmacked at how quickly this administration has moved on implementing it’s ruinous agenda. This carbon caps idea is just the tip of the iceberg. Tea Party here I come!

13 arielle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:29:34am

they’re going to install a bike attached to our meters at home and we’re to have to work for our electricity, literally.

14 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:29:44am

re: #3 Honorary Yooper

Finesse? More like Vasoline.

Does anyone smell astroglide?

15 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:29:46am

Oh, but the carbon-caps are “market-based”, doncha know, so it’s all good.

////

16 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:29:56am

I thought Joe wanted clean coal for China so we’re not breathing dirty Chinese air….

17 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:05am

re: #2 Charles

Nobody messes with Joe Biden!

Nobody wants to mess with ebola either.

18 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:19am

For a fool’s errand, always send a fool.

19 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:40am

Selling Carbon caps to the coal industry while watching over the stimulus spending. Now I need not worry, I’ll finally get a good nights sleep.

20 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:44am

re: #13 arielle

they’re going to install a bike attached to our meters at home and we’re to have to work for our electricity, literally.

Man, that’s a lot of potential carbon and methane emissions. Not to mention the water vapor produced.

21 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:47am

re: #2 Charles

Nobody messes with Joe The Biden!

It’s not very often where I fix things for especially you!

22 Osama Bin Porkchop  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:54am

Joe just keeps the hits coming…..

23 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:31:37am
“One of the primary motivators for doing this in the first place is to try to be able to demonstrate the job growth with the market based caps,”

Why not take that logic further? Let’s impose artificial, hobbling restrictions on ALL industries, so as to “create alternative jobs” when they fail. Genius!

24 dhg4  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:31:38am

re: #2 Charles

Nobody messes with Joe Biden!

Because they keep him far, far away from everyone else.

25 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:31:39am

re: #14 Idle Drifter

Does anyone smell astroglide?

That’s KY isn’t it? And I don’t think БХО likes KY, they didn’t vote for him!

26 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:31:56am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

Man, that’s a lot of potential carbon and methane emissions. Not to mention the water vapor produced.

They are going to start a tax on breathing, everyone is going to wear a moniter on their chest which will attach to your face so that the Government moniters the CO2 that comes out of your lungs.

27 JohnnyReb  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:31:59am

Come on, it isn’t like they didn’t tell everyone and their brothers exactly what they were going to do.

I mean why is anyone shocked at this?

And the best is yet to come when poor people can’t pay their electric bills and get cutoff and die from the cold and heat. Somehow that will all be Bush’s fault.

28 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:32:17am

Biden is attempting to carry carbon caps to Newcastle.

29 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:32:44am

I posted this to my Facebook page prior to the election and a screwy left-wing friend of mine, ah, ‘unfriended’ me….

America Unplugged!
Obama’s Cruel Tax on the Poor

Obama’s “ideological” energy plan would cripple U.S. economy

Obama isn’t cutting taxes for the poor, because they don’t pay any.

Instead, he’s planning to make it so expensive to generate electricity that only the rich can afford to use their appliances whenever they want.

Why? It’s all in the name of Obama’s True Belief in Global Warming. He says it himself — he’ll take coal off the table as an “ideological matter.” Even if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, he’s opposed to pursuing it.

He wants to put a huge penalty on companies that emit carbon — which means that starting up new coal-powered electrical plants will be prohibitively expensive. In Obama’s own words, “It will bankrupt them.”

“Cap and trade” plans have already been tried, and they don’t work — they cost too much, and people find ways to get around them. But Obama promises us that he’ll take that failed idea and be “as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s” plan.

In other words, if it doesn’t work, let’s do more of it!

Read the whole thing if you can spare a few minutes…

30 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:32:54am

Here’s their plan -
solar power from space

It will probably be available in 20-30 years if we spend even more money than the spendulus porkage.

31 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:33:29am

re: #27 JohnnyReb

Come on, it isn’t like they didn’t tell everyone and their brothers exactly what they were going to do.

I mean why is anyone shocked at this?

And the best is yet to come when poor people can’t pay their electric bills and get cutoff and die from the cold and heat. Somehow that will all be Bush’s fault.

Well duh, we know that. Can’t wait for the 2012 election when he continues to tell us about the problems he inherited.

32 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:33:31am

re: #10 Hengineer

I hear hippies (not engineers) at UC Berkeley are coming up with plans to harvest them. Zombie will have pictures.

Please zombie, don’t take pics of these publicly frakking hippies!

33 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:33:32am

re: #11 rawmuse

America is the Saudi Arabia of coal.

Oh, so you’ve been to West Virginia?
/

34 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:33:48am

Almost sounds like, “If we cut off your oxygen supply, you’ll breathe much better.”

Oh, Joe, go blow.

35 kynna  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:33:52am

re: #1 acwgusa

USA 1775 - 2009.

If you make a bumper sticker out of that, I’ll bet you make some money.

36 Sheepdogess  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:18am

Looks like he wants to thin the red state herd my freezing them to death.

37 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:26am

re: #1 acwgusa

USA 1775 - 2009.

You’re forgetting the Epitaph:

Yes We Can!

38 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:42am

re: #35 kynna

If you make a bumper sticker out of that, I’ll bet you make some money.

Barack Obama the father of our new country.///

39 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:43am

re: #27 JohnnyReb

Come on, it isn’t like they didn’t tell everyone and their brothers exactly what they were going to do.

I mean why is anyone shocked at this?

And the best is yet to come when poor people can’t pay their electric bills and get cutoff and die from the cold and heat. Somehow that will all be Bush’s fault.

I’m sure it will be clearly stated that Bush’s energy policy was written behind closed doors with these energy companies/poor-people killers.

40 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:44am

re: #30 Kosh’s Shadow

Here’s their plan -
solar power from space

It will probably be available in 20-30 years if we spend even more money than the spendulus porkage.

It is the long-term solution, but I haven’t the foggiest when it might actually happen on any large scale. After the shale oil is gone, I think.

41 kynna  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:45am

re: #30 Kosh’s Shadow

Here’s their plan -
solar power from space

It will probably be available in 20-30 years if we spend even more money than the spendulus porkage.

After all, it will be ten years before oil exploration will yield anything we can use!

///

42 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:35:14am
43 Rexatosis  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:35:20am

Do any of the Twits running the Obamination of an Administration understand what life without electricity will be like? “Hope and Change” doesn’t power my ‘fridge’ nor freezer, the A/C, the heat, electronic/digital communication. When the lights go off it will get ugly. These people are as psychotically deranged in their understanding of reality as Mr. Treadwell was when he went to live with the Grizzlies.

44 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:35:53am

Forcing unfunded mandates on business hurts employers, employees, and consumers. Far from sparking an economic turnaround, this will cause additional economic strain.

I hope all the morons that voted for these two fools are happy now.

45 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:05am

re: #33 itellu3times

Oh, so you’ve been to West Virginia?
/

There was a time when I could have walked there. Just for the record, rawmuse is descended from coal miners and steel workers and thanks G-d every day that I never set foot in a mine or a mill. I have some blue collar type experience, but not lately.

46 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:10am

re: #43 Rexatosis

Do any of the Twits running the Obamination of an Administration understand what life without electricity will be like? “Hope and Change” doesn’t power my ‘fridge’ nor freezer, the A/C, the heat, electronic/digital communication. When the lights go off it will get ugly. These people are as psychotically deranged in their understanding of reality as Mr. Treadwell was when he went to live with the Grizzlies.

If I lose my net connection due to this, and can’t get LGF, I’m leading the first riot.

47 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:21am

re: #37 Hengineer

You’re forgetting the Epitaph:

Yes We Can!

Don’t forget ¡Si, se puede!

48 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:23am

re: #43 Rexatosis

Do any of the Twits running the Obamination of an Administration understand what life without electricity will be like? “Hope and Change” doesn’t power my ‘fridge’ nor freezer, the A/C, the heat, electronic/digital communication. When the lights go off it will get ugly. These people are as psychotically deranged in their understanding of reality as Mr. Treadwell was when he went to live with the Grizzlies.


Only Treadwell didn’t inflict his derangement on us all.

49 Pyrocles  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:31am

Down with energy! Viva la stone age!

50 LionofDixon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:36am

Maybe, just maybe, we have to assume that this administration is purposely trying to ruin the country……..

51 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:47am

re: #42 MandyManners

Groups like the Sierra Club left reality a long, long time ago.

52 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:50am
53 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:02am
54 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:04am

Obama is going to bankrupt the coal industry?

Well, he is managing to bankrupt the whole country, and the coal industry is just a small part of it.

So finesse should come in handy.

55 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:18am

re: #50 LionofDixon

Maybe, just maybe, we have to assume that this administration is purposely trying to ruin the country……..

Assume nothing, that is the stated goal.

56 bigmoo  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:29am

Hell, who needs coal ? I mean, we’re gonna have wind power, solar power, ‘smart grids’ and other ‘renewable’ sources of green energy-and it’s all been proven to be commercially viable and ready to roll.

Hasn’t it ?

57 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:50am

re: #35 kynna

If you make a bumper sticker out of that, I’ll bet you make some money.

Which will then be taxed to death.

58 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:53am

I’m sure whenever the 0ne is on TV, there will be plenty of power.

59 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:54am

re: #50 LionofDixon

Maybe, just maybe, we have to assume that this administration is purposely trying to ruin the country……..

It’s the only way to achieve the success they have had so far.

60 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:56am

re: #47 Macker

Don’t forget ¡Si, se puede!

oops yes I forget.

61 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:38:39am
62 kynna  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:38:51am

re: #44 Sharmuta

Forcing unfunded mandates on business hurts employers, employees, and consumers. Far from sparking an economic turnaround, this will cause additional economic strain.

I hope all the morons that voted for these two fools are happy now.

They are. They still freaking believe in them! They still believe Bush is fully responsible for getting us into this mess. Some responsibility, yes, but the names Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Franklyn Raines … and on and on … don’t raise a single eyebrow with them.

Truly we live in bizarro world.

63 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:38:53am

re: #54 karmic_inquisitor

Obama is going to bankrupt the coal industry?

Well, he is managing to bankrupt the whole country, and the coal industry is just a small part of it.

So finesse Vasoline should come in handy.

FIFY.

64 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:18am

Helpful Joe Biden anagrams -

Jibed One
Jibed Eon
Be Joined
Jibe Node
Jibe Done
Be Ed Join
Jibe Ed On
Jibe Ed No
Jibe Do En
Jib Ed One
Jib Ed Eon
Jib Doe En
Jib Ode En
Jib Do Nee
Job Need I
Job Die En
Job Id Nee
Job Ed En I

I like Jibe Node the best.

65 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:18am

re: #58 Kosh’s Shadow

I’m sure whenever the 0ne is on TV, there will be plenty of power.

Not so sure about the power, but there’ll be plenty of hot air.

66 bigmoo  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:31am

‘Rocky Mountain News’ shut down today. My choices for toilet paper are becoming limited in Colorado.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of liberals…

67 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:36am

BTW, I believe coal supplies over half the power in the US.
No coal, and we WILL have blackouts, and whole industries will shut down.
Don’t bother bailing out the car companies; they need power and steel, which takes even more power.

As for the banks, are we going to go back to keeping records by hand?

68 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:37am
69 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:38am

Obama’s stimulus package for the coal industry:
A lump of coal in everyone’s Christmas stocking.

70 Rexatosis  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:40am

RE: #48 Redsoxfan4life

Just his idiotic girlfriend.

71 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:42am

re: #63 Honorary Yooper

FIFY.

Thanks!

72 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:43am

re: #43 Rexatosis

Do any of the Twits running the Obamination of an Administration understand what life without electricity will be like? “Hope and Change” doesn’t power my ‘fridge’ nor freezer, the A/C, the heat, electronic/digital communication. When the lights go off it will get ugly. These people are as psychotically deranged in their understanding of reality as Mr. Treadwell was when he went to live with the Grizzlies.

But don’t you see - they know that this won’t affect them!
It’ll affect only the peasants …

(Agree with your statement about their derangement …)

73 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:48am

OT.

Just as I hoped:

The Vatican said on Friday it was not satisfied by the apology issued by Holocaust-denying bishop Richard Williamson and called on him to “unequivocally and publicly” withdraw his comments.

British-born bishop Richard Williamson, whose denial of the scale of the Holocaust caused an international outcry, apologized this week for his recent comments about the Holocaust — but did not say whether he’s changed his views or that his comments had been erroneous.

The Vatican said on Friday, Feb. 27, that this is not enough to admit him into the church as a clergyman.

Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said Williamson “doesn’t seem to have respected the conditions” set by the Vatican on February 4, under which the bishop was to “distance himself absolutely and publicly” from his positions concerning the Holocaust if he wants to be admitted as a prelate in the church.

—from Deutsche Welle

The phony apology from yesterday (more “I’m sorry if you were offended” crap) can be seen here.

74 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:59am

You know, I am beginning to think the Joe Biden was actually a brilliant VP choice for Obama. After all, with the total travesty that Obama is making of our country, we need to have some comic relief.

/…not really though

75 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:01am

What makes no sense was this one Democrat on TV talking about the National healthcare from shifting the burden of paying for healthcare from business to the government.

Where does she think the money comes from from the Government, its not like Government has money trees! Its shifting the burden from the business owners to EVERYONE who pays taxes.

76 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:40am

The goal of a predator is to make it easier for them to hurt their victims, in fact, getting the victims to participate in their own capitulation, is ideal.

Biden is a political predators.

77 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:44am

Well, I can always get geothermal by shoving a tube in Babs Boxer. Hot Air FTW!

78 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:47am

re: #69 HelloDare

Obama’s stimulus package for the coal industry:
A lump of coal in everyone’s Christmas stocking.

That’s a good Stimulus for the Coal industry!

Considering where this economy is going its prob a good stimulus for the people too, they’ve got something to throw in the fire to keep their house warm.

79 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:41:12am

re: #64 karmic_inquisitor

Helpful Joe Biden anagrams -

I like Jibe Node the best.

The Hair Plug Jibe Node.

80 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:41:14am

re: #49 Pyrocles

Down with energy! Viva la stone age!

Start practising flint knapping, methinks …

81 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:41:18am
82 bigmoo  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:41:42am

re: #67 Kosh’s Shadow

Don’t fret…I’m sure Obama’s minions have already figured this ALL out for us.
Haven’t they ?

83 redheadredstate  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:41:51am

re: #45 rawmuse

There was a time when I could have walked there. Just for the record, rawmuse is descended from coal miners and steel workers and thanks G-d every day that I never set foot in a mine or a mill. I have some blue collar type experience, but not lately.

My grandfather Buchanan (no relationship to Pat, thank goodness) was a good Scottish-American coal miner who settled in America in the 20’s. He lost a lung to the black lung. He was pictured in a Life Magazine article in the 30’s but it was an anonymous picture since they didn’t ask his name. A harder working person I never met and all who knew him respected him. In W. VA. coal is a major employer. If you ruin the coal industry then Hollywood won’t need to send their money to the starving in 3rd world countries. They’ll have plenty of the starving in W VA. But somehow I don’t think this administration gives a damn. BTW aren’t some of the folks in Kentucky still waiting for their power to be turned on?

84 Power Armored Lizardoid  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:41:52am

In spite of being a Christian, I am about as pro science and technology as you can get…heh heh (I can use your flaming to warm my house :P)…In fact much like Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes, I wanna know where my flying car, laser pistol, and personal jet pack are…(It’s frakkin’ 2009 people! Let’s go!) But I know that solar power is far from being a viable alternative to fossil fuels, wind power (even Dune-style wind traps) will probably never be a good energy return, and Ethanol seems to have been a boondoggle from the start. So that leaves us with oil, coal, and nuclear. All of which the the Libs and The Annoying One are dead set against us using and developing…It like the Dems WANT us fail as a country…

Maybe the silver lining to all this is that when the middle east and Russia have used up all their oil supplies, WE’LL be the ones in the driver’s seat of oil sales….(Assuming the US of A is still around then…)

85 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:01am

re: #81 MandyManners

Will CBBHO do his bit and wear a cardigan and lower the thermostat in the White House?

No, he’s from Hawai’i, dontcha know?

86 kynna  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:03am

re: #57 acwgusa

One of the side effects of Obama’s style of governance is a thriving black market.

I’m not suggesting anything, I’m just pointing that out.

87 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:11am

re: #62 kynna

They are. They still freaking believe in them! They still believe Bush is fully responsible for getting us into this mess. Some responsibility, yes, but the names Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Franklyn Raines … and on and on … don’t raise a single eyebrow with them.

Truly we live in bizarro world.

This is what happens when the electorate neither knows nor cares about the results of democratic policies. They’re not held accountable when they fail, they’re just given more go-ahead to throw more money at the problem, all while pinning the blame on the republicans.

No one cares for facts- they want propaganda to confirm their pre-existing views.

88 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:16am

Some people, like Obama supporters in the coal industry, will only learn through blunt force trauma to their business.

89 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:22am

re: #68 MandyManners

Joe Biden makes more sense when he’s drunk.

90 Rexatosis  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:31am

RE# 66 Bigmoo

Sorry to hear about the Rock Mountain News. They ran Thomas Sowell’s column when I was in College (Go Buffs.) exposing me to Prof. Sowell’s work so I have always had a soft spot for that ol’ rag of a paper.

91 topazpilot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:34am

Didn’t Joey say something about not supporting the funding of clean coal technology in PA?

92 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:45am

re: #83 redheadredstate

My grandfather Buchanan (no relationship to Pat, thank goodness) was a good Scottish-American coal miner who settled in America in the 20’s. He lost a lung to the black lung. He was pictured in a Life Magazine article in the 30’s but it was an anonymous picture since they didn’t ask his name. A harder working person I never met and all who knew him respected him. In W. VA. coal is a major employer. If you ruin the coal industry then Hollywood won’t need to send their money to the starving in 3rd world countries. They’ll have plenty of the starving in W VA. But somehow I don’t think this administration gives a damn. BTW aren’t some of the folks in Kentucky still waiting for their power to be turned on?

Starving people in West Virginia doesn’t make for good TV or good PR.

93 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:54am

re: #85 Honorary Yooper

No, he’s from Hawai’i, dontcha know?

Or, he’s “flinty tough”, and from Chicago. Depends on which day you ask.

94 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:11am

re: #89 HelloDare

Joe Biden makes more sense when he’s drunk.

When he’s drunk or when we’re drunk?

95 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:34am

re: #89 HelloDare

Joe Biden makes more sense when he’s drunk.

But of course, anything multiplied by zero is still, well, zero.

96 Nadnerb  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:34am

Ol’ Joe and BHO. They wont be happy until everyone’s riding a donkey towing a cart made of papier mache.

97 Pyrocles  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:36am

Heh. My Obama-loving Father just put a coal pellet heating system into his house. Supposedly it’s “clean” coal, which makes it OK…

98 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:41am

re: #86 kynna

One of the side effects of Obama’s style of governance is a thriving black market.

I’m not suggesting anything, I’m just pointing that out.

Oooh! Black market bumperstickers!

/Sounds like a really bad rock band.

99 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:46am

re: #94 Leonidas Hoplite

When he’s drunk or when we’re drunk?

Both.

100 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:48am

re: #87 Sharmuta

This is what happens when the electorate neither knows nor cares about the results of democratic policies. They’re not held accountable when they fail, they’re just given more go-ahead to throw more money at the problem, all while pinning the blame on the republicans.

No one cares for facts- they want propaganda to confirm their pre-existing views.

Actually they will blame Repubs since after all, even in 2011 Obama INHERITED his problems…Bush never inherited problems..apparently.

101 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:52am

jibe - an aggressive remark directed at a person like a missile and intended to have a telling effect; “his parting shot was `drop dead’”; “she threw shafts of sarcasm”; “she takes a dig at me every chance she gets

Yep. Joe Biden is “The Jibe Node.”

We should hit him with jibes for the next 4 years, as his anagram begs us to.

102 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:08am

re: #86 kynna

One of the side effects of Obama’s style of governance is a thriving black market.

I’m not suggesting anything, I’m just pointing that out.

Barter effectively cuts out the middle man - government - but the requirement is that you report each and every personal transaction to the government.

We are a nation of tax slaves.

103 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:15am

re: #79 HelloDare

The Hair Plug Jibe Node.

Even better!

104 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:21am

re: #89 HelloDare

Joe Biden makes more sense when he’s drunk.

Joe Biden makes more sense when I’m drunk.

105 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #100 Hengineer

Actually they will blame Repubs since after all, even in 2011 Obama INHERITED his problems…Bush never inherited problems..apparently.

Especially not a major national security threat.

106 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #90 Rexatosis

RE# 66 Bigmoo

Sorry to hear about the Rock Mountain News. They ran Thomas Sowell’s column when I was in College (Go Buffs.) exposing me to Prof. Sowell’s work so I have always had a soft spot for that ol’ rag of a paper.

I’ll miss them a bit too. They had a good back-and-forth going in the mid-late 90s with the Free Press and the News when the Wings and the Avs were going at it.

107 bigmoo  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:32am

re: #62 kynna

They are. They still freaking believe in them! They still believe Bush is fully responsible for getting us into this mess. Some responsibility, yes, but the names Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Franklyn Raines … and on and on … don’t raise a single eyebrow with them.

Truly we live in bizarro world.

100 years ago, some of the people you mentioned would’ve been hanging from lamp posts by now for their actions in this mess.
Ain’t it great that we’re now so ‘enlightened’ ?

108 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:03am

re: #105 Sharmuta

Especially not a major national security threat.

Nor a falling economy at all from the Dot-Com Bust, oh no, not ever!

109 SteveC  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:07am

re: #39 CommonCents

I’m sure it will be clearly stated that Bush’s energy policy was written behind closed doors with these energy companies/poor-people killers.

Unlike Obama’s energy policy, which was written behind closed doors with these energy companies/poor-people killers.

/Wait a moment….

110 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:21am

re: #99 HelloDare

Both.

I’m going to be drinkng more beer over the next few years. Gonna have to home-brew to avoid paying sales tax and deposits.

111 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:23am

re: #86 kynna

One of the side effects of Obama’s style of governance is a thriving black market.

I’m not suggesting anything, I’m just pointing that out.

I fully expect the black market to explode in this country, unless Obama’s plans are turned back. He’ll create every economic incentive for a thriving underground economy. We’ll get to look more like the Third World… oh, joy.

112 Idle Drifter  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:28am

re: #43 Rexatosis

Too bad Treadwell failed to realize how dangerous bears were becoming when the grizzly sows began to cannibalize their cubs. He might have learned something about nature. Yes, I watched the video and muted it when Treadwell was talking. Great shots of the bears. The one bear Treadwell decided to get in the water pat on the ass had the “What the hell do you think you’re doing?” look on his face.

113 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:40am

re: #79 HelloDare

That’s Vice President Hair Plug Jibe Node to you.

114 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:54am

re: #108 Hengineer

Nor a falling economy at all from the Dot-Com Bust, oh no, not ever!

In fact, you could say the dot-com bust was directly attributed to (what I hear) Clinton lowering capital gains taxes…

115 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:59am

re: #100 Hengineer

Actually they will blame Repubs since after all, even in 2011 Obama INHERITED his problems…Bush never inherited problems..apparently.

But he keeps reminding us that his solutions will work. The Ameican people are not known for their patience. Remember 3 days into the Iraq war and the MSM were already calling it a quagmire.

This is Obama’s Financial Quagmire.

116 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:14am

re: #110 Leonidas Hoplite

I’m going to be drinkng more beer over the next few years. Gonna have to home-brew to avoid paying sales tax and deposits.

Time to set up the moonshine still in the basement, wouldn’t you say?

Oh wait, the price of corn is skyrocketing. Dangit, another plan foiled.

117 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:41am

re: #115 DistantThunder

But he keeps reminding us that his solutions will work. The Ameican people are not known for their patience. Remember 3 days into the Iraq war and the MSM were already calling it a quagmire.

This is Obama’s Financial Quagmire.

Obama claims the economy will rebound in 2011.

You think the Public will have the patience for that?

118 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:53am

re: #116 MrSilverDragon

Time to set up the moonshine still in the basement, wouldn’t you say?

Oh wait, the price of corn is skyrocketing. Dangit, another plan foiled.

Grow some potatoes!

119 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:59am

re: #111 Occasional Reader

I fully expect the black market to explode in this country, unless Obama’s plans are turned back. He’ll create every economic incentive for a thriving underground economy. We’ll get to look more like the Third World… oh, joy.

Racist. You can’t say black market.

120 Aviator  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:07am

re: #40 itellu3times

It is the long-term solution, but I haven’t the foggiest when it might actually happen on any large scale. After the shale oil is gone, I think.

Looks like shale oil is gone.

121 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:12am

re: #116 MrSilverDragon

Time to set up the moonshine still in the basement, wouldn’t you say?

Oh wait, the price of corn is skyrocketing. Dangit, another plan foiled.

That just means Jim Beam will be expensive, you can make your own and undercut his prices, right?

122 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:21am

re: #86 kynna

One of the side effects of Obama’s style of governance is a thriving black market.

I’m not suggesting anything, I’m just pointing that out.

The politically correct term is “undocumented transactions.”

123 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:26am

re: #116 MrSilverDragon

Make ethanol and then use your govt. subsidy to buy the beer or booze.

124 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:35am

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

Racist. You can’t say black market.

African American Market

125 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:36am

re: #108 Hengineer

Nor a falling economy at all from the Dot-Com Bust, oh no, not ever!

Indeed- everything in the entire world was rainbows and gumdrops when bill clinton left office!

126 Rexatosis  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:45am

re: #72 yma o hyd

That is exactly the attitude that lost Marie Antoinette her head (and many others their heads as well). Peasants tend to take such matters to “the pitchfork and torch” rather than having a “workshop” to discuss their complaints.

127 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:46am

re: #74 Ford_Prefect

You know, I am beginning to think the Joe Biden was actually a brilliant VP choice for Obama. After all, with the total travesty that Obama is making of our country, we need to have some comic relief.

/…not really though

I think of Joe The Biden™ as the Demo☭rats’ version of Spiro Agnew.

128 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:05am

re: #125 Sharmuta

Indeed- everything in the entire world was rainbows and gumdrops when bill clinton left office!

Even Iraq, which had honey rivers and gumdrop fields!

129 bigmoo  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:11am

re: #90 Rexatosis

It’s hard, I’m gloating at the MSM losing another ‘minion’ -but truly feel bad for the workers that are affected by this shut down.
It’s always been amazing to me, the MSM are much more ‘collaborative’ with each other than competitive…when Coke stumbles, Pepsi goes for its throat. When ‘New Republic’ stumbles (repeatedly), they all circle the wagons around it to perform ‘damage control’…

130 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:26am
131 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:40am

re: #127 Macker

I think of Joe The Biden™ as the Demo☭rats’ version of Spiro Agnew.

Was he ever able to find that website number?

132 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:49am

Walt Zimmerman at IPAC said the economy low point will be in 2012 - and then we will start to recover. This is part of a 60 year boom-bust cycle -and it will take 8-10 years to recover. Zimmerman, a data researcher, said they told all their client companies to SELL in October 2007. No way will there be a recovery before 2014-18 when more people have built up cash reserves.

133 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:55am

re: #112 Idle Drifter

Too bad Treadwell failed to realize how dangerous bears were becoming when the grizzly sows began to cannibalize their cubs. He might have learned something about nature. Yes, I watched the video and muted it when Treadwell was talking. Great shots of the bears. The one bear Treadwell decided to get in the water pat on the ass had the “What the hell do you think you’re doing?” look on his face.

It was an interesting film. Quite powerful when Herzog listens to the audio recording of Treadwell’s last moments via headphone, then implores his ex-girlfriend, who gave him the recording, “you must never listen to this… never.”

Treadwell actually accomplished something remarkable in managing to live with the grizzlies for as many seasons as he did. But he failed to understand that to a wild animal, you’re either food, or a threat, or nothing. For many years, he managed to simply be nothing to them. And then, that ended one day.

134 So?  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:13am

You have to admit coal is an antiquated form of energy. We have the technology to create incredible new energy technologies. One came out this week, balloons in space (stratosphere) that would capture sunlight with their uniquely coated surface and transmit the energy to Earth. The coating for these ballons cost pennies. I’m just giving this as an example, nothing more. What we truly need is a Manhattan-type Project to develop new ways of collecting thermal, solar and oceanic energy: 3 limitless sources of energy. But like the oil industry, the coal industry is big and powerful and has its own agenda. So nothing new will ever be done, till we’re all wearing face masks like they do right now in China. Pollution is the killer. Not global warming, not climate change. Pollution.

135 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:26am

re: #131 soxfan4life

Damfino.

136 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:54am

Ooooo Oooo Oooooo …..

Barack Obama anagrams:

Maraca Kabob
Baa Karma Cob
Baa Back Roam
Baa Crab Amok
Baa Bark Coma
Aback Boa Ram
Aback Boa Arm
Aback Boa Mar
Aback Boar Am
Aback Boar Ma
Karma Cab Boa
A Baa Bar Mock
A Baa Bra Mock
A Baa Rack Mob
A Baa Mark Cob
A Baa Ark Comb
A Baa Ram Bock
A Baa Arm Bock
A Baa Mar Bock
A Aback Bar Om
A Aback Bra Om
A Aback Am Rob
A Aback Am Orb
A Aback Am Bro
A Aback Ma Rob
A Aback Ma Orb
A Aback Ma Bro
A Kabob Car Am
A Kabob Car Ma
A Kabob Arc Am
A Kabob Arc Ma
A Barb Mac Oak
A Barb Cam Oak
A Cab Boa Mark
A Cab Bar Amok
A Cab Bra Amok
A Back Boa Ram
A Back Boa Arm
A Back Boa Mar
A Back Boar Am
A Back Boar Ma
A Bark Boa Mac
A Bark Boa Cam
Baa Cab Ark Om
Baa Back Am Or
Baa Back Ma Or
Baa Ark Am Cob
Baa Ark Ma Cob
Cab Boa Ark Am
Cab Boa Ark Ma
Cab Bar Oak Am
Cab Bar Oak Ma
Cab Bra Oak Am
Cab Bra Oak Ma

137 topazpilot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:57am

re: #128 Hengineer

According to Michael Moore it was wonka’s chocolate factory!

138 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:03am

re: #128 Hengineer

Even Iraq, which had honey rivers and gumdrop fields!

“Last year I went to Iraq. Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles. “

139 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:04am
140 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:48am

re: #134 So?

You have to admit coal is an antiquated form of energy. We have the technology to create incredible new energy technologies. One came out this week, balloons in space (stratosphere) that would capture sunlight with their uniquely coated surface and transmit the energy to Earth. The coating for these ballons cost pennies. I’m just giving this as an example, nothing more. What we truly need is a Manhattan-type Project to develop new ways of collecting thermal, solar and oceanic energy: 3 limitless sources of energy. But like the oil industry, the coal industry is big and powerful and has its own agenda. So nothing new will ever be done, till we’re all wearing face masks like they do right now in China. Pollution is the killer. Not global warming, not climate change. Pollution.

To use your username, So?

Even if we have technologies the actual production of such energy isn’t here yet, and needs to be widely available to wean ourselves off of coal and ordinary hydrocarbons. Until then we’ll have to make do with Coal, oil, and Gas being the Main producers of Energy.

141 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:56am

re: #110 Leonidas Hoplite

I’m going to be drinkng more beer over the next few years. Gonna have to home-brew to avoid paying sales tax and deposits.

Obama’s youth brigades will have elite units of revenuers to deal with the likes of you.

142 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:57am

Vatican and the RoP issue joint statement slamming Israel, opposing free speech….
Catholic-Muslim commission calls for respect of human rights

At the conclusion of the meeting, participants agreed upon the following:

1. “Peace and security are much needed in our present world marked by many conflicts and a feeling of insecurity.

2. “No true and lasting peace can be achieved without justice and equality among persons and communities.
….
4. “A culture of peace should permeate all aspects of life: religious formation, education, interpersonal relations and the arts in their diverse forms. To this end, scholastic books should be revised in order not to contain material which may offend the religious sentiments of other believers, at times through the erroneous presentation of dogmas, morals or history of other religions.

5. “The media have a major role and responsibility in the promotion of positive and respectful relations among the faithful of various religions.
….
8. “Mindful of the suffering endured by the peoples of the Middle East due to unresolved conflicts, the participants, in respect of the competence of political leaders, ask to make use, through dialogue, of the resources of international law to solve the problems at stake in truth and justice.”

143 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:11am

re: #126 Rexatosis

re: #72 yma o hyd

That is exactly the attitude that lost Marie Antoinette her head (and many others their heads as well). Peasants tend to take such matters to “the pitchfork and torch” rather than having a “workshop” to discuss their complaints.

Lets hope this episode from history is not lost on the voters, when they see where their ‘choice’ is leading them.

144 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:17am
145 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:21am

re: #117 Hengineer

Obama claims the economy will rebound in 2011.

You think the Public will have the patience for that?

They did for FDR’s schemes, but not so much for Hoover’s. The question is, is BHO FDR or Hoover?

I would say he is more in line with Hoover. BHO inherited a shakey, but not impossible situation. Could’ve been fixed PDQ by rolling back “mark to market”, cutting taxes, and controlling government spending. However, he decided to spend, spend, spend. He wants to raise taxes, and he has done zilch to fix the market. Now, he wants to add in more, expensive schemes like this.

I say he’s out in 2012 as a massive failure if this shit keeps up. Welcome to the Obamadepression.

146 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:22am

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

“And if you don’t let me join you, I’ll put a jihad on you too.”

147 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:26am

re: #130 MandyManners

By way of New York, Massachusetts and Chicago for quite a few years.

I bet he was like every other Dad and yelled at his kids for turning the thermostat past 66 when he paid the bills. On the taxpayers’ dime he’s got the Oval Office nice and toasty.

148 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:35am

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

“Last year I went to Iraq. Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles. “

I meant to used the Team America Quote I just was too lazy to look it up ;)

149 Dave the.....  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:54am

On the same day Obama says we are only going to use “science” in making gov’t decisions (in a speach to the EPA), we begins the process to reverse the Yuca mountain project.

150 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:58am

re: #136 karmic_inquisitor

Another way to say Barack Obama is Communist America hating son of a bitch piece of shit.

151 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:52:01am

re: #127 Macker

I think of Joe The Biden™ as the Demo☭rats’ version of Spiro Agnew.

And you’ve all seen this video of Biden drunk. What Republican could have been elected with a drunken video on Youtube?

152 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:52:06am

re: #132 DistantThunder

Walt Zimmerman at IPAC said the economy low point will be in 2012 - and then we will start to recover. This is part of a 60 year boom-bust cycle -and it will take 8-10 years to recover. Zimmerman, a data researcher, said they told all their client companies to SELL in October 2007. No way will there be a recovery before 2014-18 when more people have built up cash reserves.

Unless the 0 extends the depression by his attempts to “help”.

153 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:52:41am

Having witnessed first hand the demise of the hard rock mining industry and the timber industry, I can now witness the demise of the coal industry in this state. Its okay though. We can all become tourist guides and hotel maids. Lets promote the high paying service industry jobs (nothing against service industry jobs - been there, done that - they just don’t have the ability to sustain the people or the state government.)

154 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:52:45am

re: #132 DistantThunder

Walt Zimmerman at IPAC said the economy low point will be in 2012 - and then we will start to recover. This is part of a 60 year boom-bust cycle -and it will take 8-10 years to recover. Zimmerman, a data researcher, said they told all their client companies to SELL in October 2007. No way will there be a recovery before 2014-18 when more people have built up cash reserves.

In other words, 2012 is 1932 all over again, but this time, the Dems are in the White House and control Congress, and Barack Obama gets to play the part of Herbert Hoover.

155 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:52:53am

re: #147 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I bet he was like every other Dad and yelled at his kids for turning the thermostat past 66 when he paid the bills. On the taxpayers’ dime he’s got the Oval Office nice and toasty.

Too bad Dhimmi Carter can’t persuade him to wear a frakkin’ sweater!

156 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:14am

re: #145 Honorary Yooper

They did for FDR’s schemes, but not so much for Hoover’s. The question is, is BHO FDR or Hoover?

I would say he is more in line with Hoover. BHO inherited a shakey, but not impossible situation. Could’ve been fixed PDQ by rolling back “mark to market”, cutting taxes, and controlling government spending. However, he decided to spend, spend, spend. He wants to raise taxes, and he has done zilch to fix the market. Now, he wants to add in more, expensive schemes like this.

I say he’s out in 2012 as a massive failure if this shit keeps up. Welcome to the Obamadepression.

You know I think he does plan to be the Next FDR, keep us in a depression for 20 years while talking to the people directly so they “forget” and “hope”, while enacting policies that do keep us in the depression. While getting relected for 4 terms. I think he plans to beat FDR’s record! Constitution be damned!

157 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:26am

Maraca Kabob and Jibe Node.

Appropriate.

158 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:32am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I don’t like what’s happening under Herr Ratzinger’s watch.

159 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:43am

re: #134 So?

You have to admit coal is an antiquated form of energy. We have the technology to create incredible new energy technologies. One came out this week, balloons in space (stratosphere) that would capture sunlight with their uniquely coated surface and transmit the energy to Earth. The coating for these ballons cost pennies. I’m just giving this as an example, nothing more. What we truly need is a Manhattan-type Project to develop new ways of collecting thermal, solar and oceanic energy: 3 limitless sources of energy. But like the oil industry, the coal industry is big and powerful and has its own agenda. So nothing new will ever be done, till we’re all wearing face masks like they do right now in China. Pollution is the killer. Not global warming, not climate change. Pollution.

Can’t we scrub the coal emissions? Can’t we build more nookyouler power plants (even the effin’ FRENCH do this better then us)? Can’t we use more natural gas (that has been locked up by the enviro-whackos)?

All the ‘renewable’ and ‘limitless’ energy sources you speak of are technologically and economically unviable at this time. Just like oil used to be. That will change and be in part driven by market forces but until the technology exists and the return on investment exists your sources are pie in the sky.

160 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:43am

Oh, brother. Dennis Prager just lumped in Athropogenic Global Warming with Scientific Atheism. Those wacky leftist scientific atheists will believe anything it seems. Science is fast becoming an antonym for religion.

161 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:44am

re: #144 MandyManners

The Revenooers are gonna’ gitcha’.

You want to talk about classic tax revolts, that one goes back to the Whiskey Rebellion.

162 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:51am

re: #156 Hengineer

You know I think he does plan to be the Next FDR, keep us in a depression for 20 years while talking to the people directly so they “forget” and “hope”, while enacting policies that do keep us in the depression. While getting relected for 4 terms. I think he plans to beat FDR’s record! Constitution be damned!

Four Terms? He wants Life! King Obama!

163 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:52am

re: #157 karmic_inquisitor

Maraca Kabob and Jibe Node.

Appropriate.

Macaca

/s

164 Aviator  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:52am

re: #134 So?

You have to admit coal is an antiquated form of energy. We have the technology to create incredible new energy technologies. One came out this week, balloons in space (stratosphere) that would capture sunlight with their uniquely coated surface and transmit the energy to Earth. The coating for these ballons cost pennies. I’m just giving this as an example, nothing more. What we truly need is a Manhattan-type Project to develop new ways of collecting thermal, solar and oceanic energy: 3 limitless sources of energy. But like the oil industry, the coal industry is big and powerful and has its own agenda. So nothing new will ever be done, till we’re all wearing face masks like they do right now in China. Pollution is the killer. Not global warming, not climate change. Pollution.


Can you say “nuclear”? I thought not.

165 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:09am

re: #111 Occasional Reader

I fully expect the black market to explode in this country, unless Obama’s plans are turned back. He’ll create every economic incentive for a thriving underground economy. We’ll get to look more like the Third World… oh, joy.

Most people will not like the black market but I foresee a huge upswing in Bartering goods and services.

166 Wendya  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:10am

re: #23 Occasional Reader

Why not take that logic further? Let’s impose artificial, hobbling restrictions on ALL industries, so as to “create alternative jobs” when they fail. Genius!

The majority of which will be government jobs.

167 Elcid  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:12am

Biden, couldn’t make a condom booth in a house of ill repute, work….BUT with strong arm tactics, from Obama’s Gang of Thugs helping, his efforts just may toss more Americans, out of work.

But hey…with “illegals” now being protected by Janet “the babe” Napolitano, THEY will take the jobs. That means more votes for the Left/Dem overlord’s.

168 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:14am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Vatican and the RoP issue joint statement slamming Israel, opposing free speech….
Catholic-Muslim commission calls for respect of human rights

What a bunch of (papal) bull.

Unbelievable.

169 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:21am
170 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:21am

re: #150 soxfan4life

Another way to say Barack Obama is Communist America hating son of a bitch piece of shit.

Unfortunately, due to some strange reason, I am unable to post my Russian utterances of his name…other strange characters keep popping up in certain locations.
Charles, could you please have Stinky take a look at that?

171 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:24am

re: #141 bulwrk

Obama’s youth brigades will have elite units of revenuers to deal with the likes of you.

As long as they don’t mind a 9mm in the face that’s ok with me.

172 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:24am

re: #158 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I’m not impressed either.

173 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:41am

re: #164 Aviator

Can you say “nuclear”? I thought not.

What about nucular?

174 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:44am

re: #128 Hengineer

Even Iraq, which had honey rivers and gumdrop fields!

And Afghanistan was sugar and spice and everything nice.

175 pat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:52am

Corrupt cretin.

176 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:05am

re: #134 So?

You have to admit coal is an antiquated form of energy. We have the technology to create incredible new energy technologies. One came out this week, balloons in space (stratosphere) that would capture sunlight with their uniquely coated surface and transmit the energy to Earth. The coating for these ballons cost pennies. I’m just giving this as an example, nothing more. What we truly need is a Manhattan-type Project to develop new ways of collecting thermal, solar and oceanic energy: 3 limitless sources of energy. But like the oil industry, the coal industry is big and powerful and has its own agenda. So nothing new will ever be done, till we’re all wearing face masks like they do right now in China. Pollution is the killer. Not global warming, not climate change. Pollution.

All the alternatives are more expensive than the actual cost of oil and coal, especially when the development costs are included. Maybe someday, some of them will be cheaper, especially as fossil fuels become scarcer and cost more to retrieve.

And the environmentalists would still stop alternatives, like the wind farm off Cape Cod. Ground-based solar takes a lot of space; space-based and even balloon solar (if that is practical; I wonder about the winds at altitude) requires some way to get the power to the ground.

177 SteveC  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:14am

re: #94 Leonidas Hoplite

When he’s drunk or when we’re drunk?

A Senator from South Carolina in the 1920’s, “Cotton Ed” Smith was a laid back country gentleman. He was once accused of “Sitting on his front porch drinking Mint Julips all day” rather than conducting the people’s business.

“After having a few Mint Julips,” Smith replied, “the safest thing you can do is sit on the porch.”

178 turn  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:28am

re: #134 So?

I wouldn’t call an energy source that is abundant here in the US, relatively cheap, and on line right now “antiquated”. The other possibilities you mentioned aren’t cost effective with oil, so wishing for them will just put more money in the Saudis pockets.

179 Dave the.....  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:33am

The Hoover FDR thing is interesting, One IDENTICAL parrallel to Bush-Obama.

Know one way Democrats attacked Hoover in 1930-32? They said he was spending too much money and increasing gov’t by way too much.
Of course, we all know what happened with Roosevelt.

180 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:48am

re: #156 Hengineer

You know I think he does plan to be the Next FDR, keep us in a depression for 20 years while talking to the people directly so they “forget” and “hope”, while enacting policies that do keep us in the depression. While getting relected for 4 terms. I think he plans to beat FDR’s record! Constitution be damned!

I think we’ve been too prosperous and free for too long, and with the internet we can connect, organize and protest and resist Big Bad Bully Government. (Forget Big Brother.) this is not you grandfather’s depression.

181 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:57am

re: #168 Occasional Reader

I think he has a trip planed to “The Holy Land” soon. He’ll show up and kiss Israeli butts to make up for it. He’s playing both sides of the fence.

182 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:59am

re: #167 Elcid

Biden, couldn’t make a condom booth in a house of ill repute, work….BUT with strong arm tactics, from Obama’s Gang of Thugs helping, his efforts just may toss more Americans, out of work.

But hey…with “illegals” now being protected by Janet “the babe” Napolitano Crappy Nappy, THEY will take the jobs. That means more votes for the Left/Dem overlord’s.

There, fixed that for ya!

183 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:06am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Vatican and the RoP issue joint statement slamming Israel, opposing free speech….
Catholic-Muslim commission calls for respect of human rights

Well, it looks like the Catholic Church has become sharia compliant. Scratch them off my Christmas card list.

184 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:17am
185 Aviator  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:20am

re: #173 soxfan4life

What about nucular?

That works too.

186 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:22am

re: #180 DistantThunder

I think we’ve been too prosperous and free for too long, and with the internet we can connect, organize and protest and resist Big Bad Bully Government. (Forget Big Brother.) this is not you grandfather’s depression.

I agree (Grandmother actually, I have no living grandfather)

187 Rancher  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:32am

Are the folks there that voted for Obama “shocked” that this is going to happen, kinda like Jewish liberals are “shocked” that Obama isn’t as pro Israel as he let on?

188 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:42am
189 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:42am

Has anyone else noticed how well Biden does his impression of Jar-jar Binks as he proposed legislation to corrupt the Galactic Republic into the Galactic Empire?

190 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:49am

I’m not yet too disgusted to be able to eat lunch, so off I go.

191 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:59am
192 Elcid  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:01am

re: #182 Macker
Thanks…knew I missed something…lol.

193 So?  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:01am

re: #140 Hengineer

To use your username, So?

Even if we have technologies the actual production of such energy isn’t here yet, and needs to be widely available to wean ourselves off of coal and ordinary hydrocarbons. Until then we’ll have to make do with Coal, oil, and Gas being the Main producers of Energy.

The nee “forms” of energy will never be here if we don’t put in a 200% effort into creating them. Right now, all that goes on is dabbling. Like nursery school kids, they (scientists) dabble. Yes, I agree transition is needed, it cannot be accomplished overnight, but I really don’t see a PLAN, like when Kennedy said, we will have a man on the moon before the decade is out. We need a plan and we need the smartest and the brightest to get together and link their brains and come up with some realistic kick-ass alternatives.

194 Kragar  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:09am

Biden couldn’t sell beer to an alcoholic.

195 theheat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:14am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Oh, please. I need to go throw up. Ick.

196 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:14am
197 The_Vig  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:20am

My question is, will land owners be able to get carbon credits for the plants on their land that are carbon sinks. It might make farming worth while. I wonder how much I will be able to sell mine for?

198 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:21am

re: #189 FurryOldGuyJeans

Has anyone else noticed how well Biden does his impression of Jar-jar Binks as he proposed legislation to corrupt the Galactic Republic into the Galactic Empire?

Me-sa gonna look for ku-rupt Repubs!

199 beens21  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:45am

the author refers to ’ carbon dioxide pollution’ and mentions that a report from the eco crazies EDF is the starting point for debate.There is no science in GW, just leftist politics.

200 gymmom  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:46am

re: #29 Leonidas Hoplite

Another open-minded liberal
//

201 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:59am

Next in line for the Presidency: Hair Plug Jibe Node.

202 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:58:07am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Vatican and the RoP issue joint statement slamming Israel, opposing free speech….
Catholic-Muslim commission calls for respect of human rights

2. “
No true and lasting peace can be achieved without justice and equality among persons and communities

.
….
4. “A culture of peace should permeate all aspects of life: religious formation, education, interpersonal relations and the arts in their diverse forms. To this end, scholastic books should be revised in order not to contain material which may offend the religious sentiments of other believers, at times through the erroneous presentation of dogmas, morals or history of other religions.


So, when will Saudi Arabia allow all religions equal rights in their country?
And when will the madrassas stop teaching that Jews and Christians are evil?

203 theheat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:58:14am

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

“They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles. “

And unicorns. You forgot the unicorns.

204 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:58:18am

re: #187 Rancher

Are the folks there that voted for Obama “shocked” that this is going to happen, kinda like Jewish liberals are “shocked” that Obama isn’t as pro Israel as he let on?

My idiot freakin neighbor just told me that yesterday. He said the amount of spending is scaring the shiot out of him, but he just hates Bush so much that everything Obama does is justified.

205 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:58:29am

re: #193 So?

The nee “forms” of energy will never be here if we don’t put in a 200% effort into creating them. Right now, all that goes on is dabbling. Like nursery school kids, they (scientists) dabble. Yes, I agree transition is needed, it cannot be accomplished overnight, but I really don’t see a PLAN, like when Kennedy said, we will have a man on the moon before the decade is out. We need a plan and we need the smartest and the brightest to get together and link their brains and come up with some realistic kick-ass alternatives.

Follow the money my friend, until the prices of coal and oil go up, we will see only a half-hearted dispirited effort to look into other sources of energy. I’m completely on your side, but until we can completely wean ourselves off of foreign oil (let alone oil altogether!), all we can do is keep going.

206 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:58:52am

re: #203 theheat

And unicorns. You forgot the unicorns.

No I didn’t. That dialog was from the movie “Team America.” The word “unicorn” doesn’t appear there.

207 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:59:07am

re: #193 So?

The nee “forms” of energy will never be here if we don’t put in a 200% effort into creating them. Right now, all that goes on is dabbling. Like nursery school kids, they (scientists) dabble. Yes, I agree transition is needed, it cannot be accomplished overnight, but I really don’t see a PLAN, like when Kennedy said, we will have a man on the moon before the decade is out. We need a plan and we need the smartest and the brightest to get together and link their brains and come up with some realistic kick-ass alternatives.

Well, our “best and brightest”, as you say, have brought us to where we are right now. Not sure they deserve more unlimited power and blank checks.

208 SteveC  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:59:30am

re: #131 soxfan4life

Was he ever able to find that website number?

1-800-NO-NOT-JOE

209 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:59:35am

re: #181 Killgore Trout

I think he has a trip planed to “The Holy Land” soon. He’ll show up and kiss Israeli butts to make up for it. He’s playing both sides of the fence.

Isn’t this what men do with their mistresses? Lie to them about how they will leave their wife - any day now - stringing them along?

210 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:59:40am
211 Dave the.....  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:59:45am

Krager

Biden couldn’t sell beer to an alcoholic.

Actually we need a massive gov’t program to provide barley-based beverages to the poor and other minorities. I’m announcing today, a $900,000,000 program that will do said task. I am funding it by taxing the wealthy.

212 theheat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:00:08am

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

My apologies. In that case, the screenwriter forgot to include the unicorns. An obvious oversight.

213 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:00:13am
214 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:00:15am

re: #176 Kosh’s Shadow

All the alternatives are more expensive than the actual cost of oil and coal, especially when the development costs are included. Maybe someday, some of them will be cheaper, especially as fossil fuels become scarcer and cost more to retrieve.

And the environmentalists would still stop alternatives, like the wind farm off Cape Cod. Ground-based solar takes a lot of space; space-based and even balloon solar (if that is practical; I wonder about the winds at altitude) requires some way to get the power to the ground.

Another thing they keep forgetting is that thigns like wind turbines, solar panels etc etc, all need to be manufactured. Which uses, ahem, energy! in the process.
But hey, facts like these are so easy to overlook …

215 Wishing  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:00:33am

Dowding Industries owner, Jeff Metts, is among those who will be recognized at the task force meeting, where Biden will host a series of panels on why the administration believes green jobs will result in a resurgence of the middle class.

uh huh….

216 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:01:20am

re: #204 soxfan4life

My idiot freakin neighbor just told me that yesterday. He said the amount of spending is scaring the shiot out of him, but he just hates Bush so much that everything Obama does is justified.

This is why Germany embraced Hitler. Even the early footage gives me the creeps, and the chanting crowds are terrifying. These Obama voters deserve what they get - but we don’t.

217 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:01:21am

re: #161 rawmuse

You want to talk about classic tax revolts, that one goes back to the Whiskey Rebellion.

That event right there could be considered the beginning of southern hostility toward northerners. At the sad part is that it happened just a few years into the new republic’s history

218 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:01:35am

re: #211 Dave the…..

Krager

Actually we need a massive gov’t program to provide barley-based beverages to the poor and other minorities. I’m announcing today, a $900,000,000 program that will do said task. I am funding it by taxing the wealthy.

It will never work. You will need a lot more money than that. Try adding three more zeroes.

219 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:01:36am
220 redheadredstate  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:01:52am

re: #215 Wishing

Dowding Downding Industries owner, Jeff Metts, is among those who will be recognized at the task force meeting, where Biden will host a series of panels on why the administration believes green jobs will result in a resurgence of the middle class.

uh huh….

Fixed that for ya.

221 wiffersnapper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:03:01am

Joe: “Don’t worry, you won’t feel a thing!” *cocks gun*

222 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:03:09am

re: #184 MandyManners

Hic.

The source of most of the woe in my life, that right there. ;)

223 DistantThunder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:03:10am

re: #215 Wishing

Dowding Industries owner, Jeff Metts, is among those who will be recognized at the task force meeting, where Biden will host a series of panels on why the administration believes green jobs will result in a resurgence of the middle class.

uh huh….

Predator: “And we’ll get married, and I’ll buy you a big diamond, and I’ll buy you a big house if only you let me have what I want right now.”

Gullible Greedy Bimbo: Sure!

224 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:03:14am

re: #211 Dave the…..

Krager


Actually we need a massive gov’t program to provide barley-based beverages to the poor and other minorities. I’m announcing today, a $900,000,000 program that will do said task. I am funding it by taxing the wealthy.

Wouldn’t that be redundant cause of ACORN and all?

225 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:03:27am

re: #217 ConservatismNow!

That event right there could be considered the beginning of southern hostility toward northerners. At the sad part is that it happened just a few years into the new republic’s history

OK, considering that it was a southerner, George Washington, who put down a tax revolt by northerners, western Pennsylvanians, I fail to see your point.

226 SteveC  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:03:31am

re: #191 Iron Fist

Damn, but that was a mental image I could have lived my entire life without ever having to confront it, and considered my life made richer by the “lack”. Damn, but you know how to really creep a person out on a Friday afternoon.

*Takes smelling salts and brain bleach to Iron Fist*

227 Wishing  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:02am

re: #221 wiffersnapper

Joe: “Don’t worry, you won’t feel a thing!” *cocks gun solar slingshot*

228 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:09am

re: #120 Aviator

Looks like shale oil is gone.

Yeah I know, the unicorns ate it.

But other than that, it’s about 300 years worth, so don’t hold your breath on that space solar.

229 yesandno  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:27am

STOP EVERYTHING until we find an alternative source of power….

never find another alternative source of power while we have STOPPED EVERYTHING.

/Catch 44 President….

230 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:27am

re: #205 Hengineer

Follow the money my friend, until the prices of coal and oil go up, we will see only a half-hearted dispirited effort to look into other sources of energy. I’m completely on your side, but until we can completely wean ourselves off of foreign oil (let alone oil altogether!), all we can do is keep going.

And when oil prices go up, we see investment in alternatives. Then the oil spigots open and oil prices fall, the companies can’t compete and go out of business, and the investors shy away from energy for another 20-30 years. Meanwhile, the Saudis rake in more money.

231 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:31am

re: #217 ConservatismNow!

That event right there could be considered the beginning of southern hostility toward northerners. At the sad part is that it happened just a few years into the new republic’s history

Phrases we got from that event “bootleg”, “a tinker’s damn”.

232 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:39am

OT here, just heard on the radio McCain endorsed the Presidents troop withdrawal plan for Iraq. Sad, truly sad that a man who has accomplished so much and served this country so honorably has to agree with a communist and Americas hater.

233 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:56am

“By the way, gentlemen (oh and you ladies in the back - my goodness - especially you!) if you have any questions on Carbon Caps and the joys of bankruptcy and sewing your own clothes, we have set up a web site. Just call my office and ask for the number of the web site.”

- Jibe Node

234 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:58am

re: #202 Kosh’s Shadow

Multiculturalism only goes one way. Those rules are intended for the West.

235 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:58am

re: #109 SteveC

Unlike Obama’s energy policy, which was written behind closed doors with these energy companies/poor-people killers.

/Wait a moment….

That’s COMPLETELY different. C’mon!

236 wiffersnapper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:05:21am

re: #3 Honorary Yooper

Perfect

237 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:05:27am

With the Porkulus Package getting so much attention, now would be a good tiime for McDonald’s to bring back the McRib.

238 lobo91  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:05:40am

re: #214 yma o hyd

Another thing they keep forgetting is that thigns like wind turbines, solar panels etc etc, all need to be manufactured. Which uses, ahem, energy! in the process.
But hey, facts like these are so easy to overlook …

Sort of like when they refer to electric cars as “zero emission” vehicles, without accounting for the emissions from wherever the electricity to charge their batteries came from.

Bureaucrats should not be in charge of scientific or technological decisions. It never ends well.

239 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:05:50am

re: #233 karmic_inquisitor

What’s the phone number? ….

240 Dave the.....  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:05:53am

ACORN is administering my beer-aid program. We will pay them $20,000,000 a year, plus whatever they can skim from the supply.

It is directed at poor, females, gay-Ameicans, people of color, differently abled, undocumented workers, etc

241 looking closely  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:05:57am

re: #205 Hengineer

Follow the money my friend, until the prices of coal and oil go up, we will see only a half-hearted dispirited effort to look into other sources of energy.


Its nothing to do with “half assed”, and everything to do with simple economics.

There are plenty of non-petroleum based energy techologies already available.

When non-petroleum energy sources are CHEAPER or more effective, they’ll be widely adopted. Until they are, they won’t, and its really that simple.

That’s how ANY technology works, and no amount of hand-waving is going to change that. You can artificially add to the costs of certain energy sources by taxing the s@#$ out of them (like Obama and Biden want to do), but that both distorts the energy markets AND damages the economy.

Also, solar and wind-based energy may be “clean” but they’re not all that reliable.

The truly “greenest” cheap energy source is nuclear fuel, but the same greenies that hate petroleum are also peaceniks to whom anything nuclear is only a quarter-step away from a thermonuclear weapon, so these are political non-starters.

242 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:06:06am
243 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:06:37am

re: #232 soxfan4life

OT here, just heard on the radio McCain endorsed the Presidents troop withdrawal plan for Iraq. Sad, truly sad that a man who has accomplished so much and served this country so honorably has to agree with a communist and Americas hater.

Honestly, after what happened to Sarah Palin after the campaign, which he didn’t put a stop to, fuck John McCain. I admire him for his service, but shun him for his RINOness.

244 Kragar  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:06:42am

re: #219 MandyManners

Oh, yes he can with the force of the law on his side.

Remembering a line from Venture Bros

“The numbers for attendence at the Pit of Despair have gone up dramatically since we’ve made it mandatory.”

245 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:06:56am

re: #223 DistantThunder

Predator: “And we’ll get married, and I’ll buy you a big diamond, and I’ll buy you a big house if only you let me have what I want right now.”

Gullible Greedy Bimbo: Sure!

This goes back to Roman times, if we can trust Monty Python:
Mandy (not our Mandy):
Nortius Maximus his name was. Promised me the known world. House by the Forum. Slaves. Ass’s milk. As much gold as I could eat.
And then, having his way with me, VOOM - like a rat out of an aqueduct.

246 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:06:59am

re: #238 lobo91

Sort of like when they refer to electric cars as “zero emission” vehicles, without accounting for the emissions from wherever the electricity to charge their batteries came from.

Bureaucrats should not be in charge of scientific or technological decisions. It never ends well.

True, dat!

247 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:20am

re: #242 taxfreekiller

D for Dumb
D for Democrats
D***h for you.

Dhimmi

It all goes together.

248 SteveC  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:36am

re: #239 CommonCents

What’s the phone number? [Link: www……..]

You’ve got the wrong number, call 912!

249 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:46am
250 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:48am

re: #233 karmic_inquisitor

“By the way, gentlemen (oh and you ladies in the back - my goodness - especially you!) if you have any questions on Carbon Caps and the joys of bankruptcy and sewing your own clothes, we have set up a web site. Just call my office and ask for the number of the web site.”

- Jibe Node


I keep hearing “Hand Jive” when I see Jibe Node.

How low can you go?
How low can you go?
251 So?  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:55am

re: #205 Hengineer

Follow the money my friend, until the prices of coal and oil go up, we will see only a half-hearted dispirited effort to look into other sources of energy. I’m completely on your side, but until we can completely wean ourselves off of foreign oil (let alone oil altogether!), all we can do is keep going.

I agree with you completely. However, it’s time the American public demanded action. We are being held hostage by foreign oil just like the Jihadists hold Islam hostage. It’s funny how a trillion dollars is going to bail out every Tom, Dick & Harry INC. Now imagine that money used to develop new energy sources. Who knows what new idea would pop out. Could you have predicted the iPod or iPhone 10 years ago? Where there is a will, there’s a way. If you wait till the prices of coal and oil go up, the entire economy will collapse. I personally don’t want to pay $10 for a loaf of bread. Is that what you are all waiting for?

252 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:08:06am

re: #247 CommonCents

Dhimmi

It all goes together.

Add “Depression” to the pile.

253 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:08:07am

re: #238 lobo91

Bureaucrats should not be in charge of scientific or technological decisions. It never ends well.

fixed.

254 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:08:08am

Ed Morrissey interviews the nutty conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi at CPAC….
CPAC Interview: Jerome Corsi

255 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:08:15am

re: #232 soxfan4life

OT here, just heard on the radio McCain endorsed the Presidents troop withdrawal plan for Iraq. Sad, truly sad that a man who has accomplished so much and served this country so honorably has to agree with a communist and Americas hater.

I think McCain endorsed 0bama sometime during the campaign.

256 redheadredstate  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:08:26am

re: #245 Kosh’s Shadow

This goes back to Roman times, if we can trust Monty Python:
Mandy (not our Mandy):
Nortius Maximus his name was. Promised me the known world. House by the Forum. Slaves. Ass’s milk. As much gold as I could eat.
And then, having his way with me, VOOM - like a rat out of an aqueduct.

I adore Monty Python! I’ve even turned my 19 yr old son into a Pythoner. Thanks for the laugh!

257 So?  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:08:42am

Got to go…doctor’s appt. I’m late.

258 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:08:56am

re: #134 So?

You have to admit coal is an antiquated form of energy. We have the technology to create incredible new energy technologies. One came out this week, balloons in space (stratosphere) that would capture sunlight with their uniquely coated surface and transmit the energy to Earth. The coating for these ballons cost pennies. I’m just giving this as an example, nothing more. What we truly need is a Manhattan-type Project to develop new ways of collecting thermal, solar and oceanic energy: 3 limitless sources of energy. But like the oil industry, the coal industry is big and powerful and has its own agenda. So nothing new will ever be done, till we’re all wearing face masks like they do right now in China. Pollution is the killer. Not global warming, not climate change. Pollution.

1) How many of these wonderful balloons are needed to produce enough energy for NYC? You would currently need a collector the size of Arizona.

2) How much energy would be needed to launch all of these balloons?
3) Mainenance on balloons. Space station?

Coal is actually a clean energy. If you should ever come to MT you wouldnt be able to tell where the strip mines have been. Yes it is dirty when you get mucking around in it but it can burn clean.

Blaming one industry because another industry is not self sufficient is not the answer.

259 CommonCents  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:09:07am

re: #248 SteveC

You’ve got the wrong number, call 912!

I thought that was the website :)

260 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:09:28am

re: #230 Kosh’s Shadow

And when oil prices go up, we see investment in alternatives. Then the oil spigots open and oil prices fall, the companies can’t compete and go out of business, and the investors shy away from energy for another 20-30 years. Meanwhile, the Saudis rake in more money.

This is why Peak Oil is a bunch of hooey currently. When the price of oil goes up, less economical sources of varying sizes suddenly become economically viable to produce. Once they are able to be in production, that has a downward pressure on prices, causing some sources to be less economically viable again. Technology, as always, plays a major factor in this. As cheaper technology for these less economically viable sources of oil becomes available, they become more economically viable to produce.

261 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:09:49am

re: #237 HelloDare

With the Porkulus Package getting so much attention, now would be a good tiime for McDonald’s to bring back the McRib.

Faux-Q. Ick.

262 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:10:22am

re: #245 Kosh’s Shadow

This goes back to Roman times, if we can trust Monty Python:
Mandy (not our Mandy):
Nortius Maximus his name was. Promised me the known world. House by the Forum. Slaves. Ass’s milk. As much gold as I could eat.
And then, having his way with me, VOOM - like a rat out of an aqueduct.

“I had a very good friend named Biggus Dikus.”

263 simonml  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:10:53am

OT but just submitted into links form. Not sure if anyone else had yet.

Texas Claims Sovereignty in State Legislature bill

Its in Committee now, but sends a message to the government for sure.

264 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:11:30am

re: #164 Aviator

Can you say “nuclear”? I thought not.

But but what about Chernobyl? I mean, just because the Ruskies were experimenting and were down to like 9 cooling rods is no reason to believe that it couldnt happen here.

265 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:11:45am

re: #239 CommonCents

What’s the phone number? [Link: www……..]

“Need my phone number? Awww jeez - just call my office - they’ll give it to you.”

- Jibe Node

266 looking closely  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:11:47am

re: #238 lobo91

Sort of like when they refer to electric cars as “zero emission” vehicles, without accounting for the emissions from wherever the electricity to charge their batteries came from.

Bureaucrats should not be in charge of scientific or technological decisions. It never ends well.

Well, the VEHICLES are zero-emission, so that’s not “wrong”, even though the concept of zero-emission vehicles is itself intrinsically flawed. (Plus at the current time most of these vehicles just “suck” in terms of cost, safety, and/or capacity, but that’s a separate issue).

In theory the electricity used to charge them could be obtained from clean nuclear fuel, or other sources, but again, why would anyone want to use other sources when they are so cost-inefficient?

267 Maximu§  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:11:47am

Looks like the Obama Administration wants to almost legalize Pot (aka Chronic, weed, Herb, sweet-stuff), so perhaps we’ll be so stoned we will forget…..whoa, headrush.

What were we talking about again?

U.S. to yield marijuana jurisdiction to states

268 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:11:48am

I just realized, I’d better start losing weight if I expect to be covered under ObamaCare, and not written off to be Soylent Green.

269 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:11:50am

re: #256 redheadredstate

I adore Monty Python! I’ve even turned my 19 yr old son into a Pythoner. Thanks for the laugh!

Then you missed #193 re: “The nee “forms” of energy”… the forms that say “nee” was my first thought :)

270 redheadredstate  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:12:11am

re: #263 simonml

OT but just submitted into links form. Not sure if anyone else had yet.

Texas Claims Sovereignty in State Legislature bill

Its in Committee now, but sends a message to the government for sure.

About time! We should have been the first state to do this as far as I’m concerned. Texas is truly a whole nother country. BTW linky not linky.

271 SteveC  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:12:41am

re: #252 karmic_inquisitor

Add “Depression” to the pile.

“Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep dark depression, excessive misery;
If it weren’t for bad luck,
I’d have no luck at all:
Gloom, despair and agony on me.”

272 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:12:58am

re: #251 So?

Could you have predicted the iPod or iPhone 10 years ago? Where there is a will money to be made, there’s a way.

That’s why the iPod and iPhone were made, there was gold in dem dar electronics. That’s also what test any “green” source of power has to pass.

273 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:19am
274 lobo91  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:48am

re: #251 So?

It’s funny how a trillion dollars is going to bail out every Tom, Dick & Harry INC. Now imagine that money used to develop new energy sources. Who knows what new idea would pop out. Could you have predicted the iPod or iPhone 10 years ago?

The iPod and iPhone were developed by private industry, with the intention of making a profit, just like most things that we use today were.

Where there is a will, there’s a way. If you wait till the prices of coal and oil go up, the entire economy will collapse. I personally don’t want to pay $10 for a loaf of bread. Is that what you are all waiting for?

There are food shortages and riots taking place in a number of countries right now as a result of stupid mandates from our government (ethanol subsidies).

275 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:14:17am

re: #225 Honorary Yooper

OK, considering that it was a southerner, George Washington, who put down a tax revolt by northerners, western Pennsylvanians, I fail to see your point.


What is the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794?

Whiskey Boys made violent protests in Kentucky, Maryland, Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia, the Ohio Territory, and the Northwest, and their more powerful cousins, the large distillers in the Eastern cities were also against the tax. Yet only the Western Pennsylvanians had to deal with an army.
276 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:14:17am
277 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #269 brookly red

Then you missed #193 re: “The nee “forms” of energy”… the forms that say “nee” was my first thought :)

Its only a flesh wound.

278 yesandno  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:14:56am

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Vatican and the RoP issue joint statement slamming Israel, opposing free speech….
Catholic-Muslim commission calls for respect of human rights

Well, it looks like the Catholic Church has become sharia compliant. Scratch them off my Christmas card list.

These two others are important.

6. “Recognizing the strong link between peace and human rights, special attention was given to the defense of the dignity of the human person and his or her rights, especially regarding freedom of conscience and of religion.

7. “Youth, the future of all religions and of humanity itself, need special care in order to be protected from fanaticism and violence, and to become peace builders for a better world.

279 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:14:57am

re: #263 simonml

OT but just submitted into links form. Not sure if anyone else had yet.

Texas Claims Sovereignty in State Legislature bill

Its in Committee now, but sends a message to the government for sure.

Uh-oh, down to 56 states.

But that’s OK, California wants to split in two anyway.

280 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:15:02am

re: #276 MandyManners

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.

Dammit, stoners on the front steps again. Here, have some Doritos.

281 Maximu§  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:15:20am

re: #273 taxfreekiller

Every one who wants a self propelled peddle car should have one, in fact they should invest in the deal, you know like Obama says, put some skin in the deal.

Or if you f’n want to walk, be my guest, in fact,, take a f’n hike.

Fred Flintstone had a self propelled car, it seemed to work very well for him and Wilma in Bedrock.

282 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:15:21am

re: #258 Eowyn2

You left out the most important drawback,how would we protect these balloons from attack.

283 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:15:25am

re: #263 simonml

OT but just submitted into links form. Not sure if anyone else had yet.

Texas Claims Sovereignty in State Legislature bill

Its in Committee now, but sends a message to the government for sure.

Brilliant!

284 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:16:26am
285 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:17:05am

it is such a fcked up plan to bankrupt such an important vital industry.
we are truly witnessing insanity.
and what is more insane is that the coal industry knew O as going to do this
and they still got behind him for potus.

286 Maximu§  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:17:18am

re: #280 acwgusa

Dammit, stoners on the front steps again. Here, have some Doritos.

C’mon Bro, you need to break out the Ding-Dongs, don’t be a Hater DOOOOOOODD.

287 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:17:37am

re: #284 MandyManners

Like, I want some like DingDongs fer shure and some like Cheetos. Where’s my Mountain Dew, doooooooooood?

Don’t you know the filling in DingDongs will kill you faster then cigarettes? That’s some stuff, I use it for spackle.

288 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:18:19am

re: #284 MandyManners

Like, I want some like DingDongs fer shure and some like Cheetos. Where’s my Mountain Dew, doooooooooood?

Why they are right over here… by the wood chipper ;)

289 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:18:39am

re: #276 MandyManners

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.

On a serious note, I’m quite sure the DEA is kinda pissed that their work is for naught.

290 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:18:45am
291 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:18:59am

Just noticed that Jibed One has another anagram.

I Need Job.


An anagram for the rest of America.

292 wiffersnapper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:18:59am

Worst. Administration. Ever.

293 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:19:17am

re: #264 Eowyn2

But but what about Chernobyl? I mean, just because the Ruskies were experimenting and were down to like 9 cooling rods is no reason to believe that it couldnt happen here.

Did you forget the sarc tag?
Chernobyl had no containment, and was a graphite reactor. Those have a “positive temperature coefficient” - when they heat up, the reaction speeds up as well.
Most reactors are much safer.
Water cooled reactors have a negative temperature coefficient. When they heat, the water doesn’t moderate (slow down) the neutrons as well, and the reaction slows.
In the late 1950s or early 1960s, they built a reactor with a “fast negative temperature coefficient”. They drained the water, and the reactor shut down immediately without overheating.

And we’ve done tests of reactors similar to the current designs, simulating a loss of cooling accident. The result was not as bad as predicted.

294 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:20:10am

re: #251 So?

I agree with you completely. However, it’s time the American public demanded action. We are being held hostage by foreign oil just like the Jihadists hold Islam hostage. It’s funny how a trillion dollars is going to bail out every Tom, Dick & Harry INC. Now imagine that money used to develop new energy sources. Who knows what new idea would pop out. Could you have predicted the iPod or iPhone 10 years ago? Where there is a will, there’s a way. If you wait till the prices of coal and oil go up, the entire economy will collapse. I personally don’t want to pay $10 for a loaf of bread. Is that what you are all waiting for?

You keep saying coal and oil.

What about
Hydro-electric
Nuclear
Natural Gas

295 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:20:40am

re: #289 acwgusa

On a serious note, I’m quite sure the DEA is kinda pissed that their work is for naught.

Yes, but what better way to lower the crime rate then by legalizing the crime?

///

296 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:15am

re: #279 itellu3times

Uh-oh, down to 56 states.

But that’s OK, California wants to split in two anyway.

north/south
or
east/west

297 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:27am

re: #295 Ford_Prefect

Yes, but what better way to lower the crime rate then by legalizing the crime?

///

Like on Hot Fuzz? The crime rate was so low because everyone was having “accidents”

298 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:41am

re: #294 Eowyn2

You keep saying coal and oil.

What about
Hydro-electric
Nuclear
Natural Gas

I have Natural Gas. Musta been those beans I ate for lunch. :-0

299 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:22:09am

re: #273 taxfreekiller

Every one who wants a self propelled peddle car should have one, in fact they should invest in the deal, you know like Obama says, put some skin in the deal.

Or if you f’n want to walk, be my guest, in fact,, take a f’n hike.

You heard about the new car the government is asking the car companies to make?
Here is the picture of the prototype.

300 DaddyG  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:22:20am

re: #263 simonml

OT but just submitted into links form. Not sure if anyone else had yet.

Texas Claims Sovereignty in State Legislature bill

Its in Committee now, but sends a message to the government for sure.

It will really send a message if they are followed by a loose confederation of states including South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi…

/

301 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:23:21am

re: #2 Charles

Nobody messes with Joe Biden!

We might not mess with him - but we shall laugh at him.

*whew* - and the let thought GWB was stupid?

302 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:23:47am
303 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:23:51am

re: #297 ConservatismNow!

Like on Hot Fuzz? The crime rate was so low because everyone was having “accidents”

Don’t know the show, but that is the basic idea. How good would it look for a Senator or Governator to be able to say “Look how low our crime rate is now.” while completely ignoring the fact that it is only the result of legalizing the crime.

304 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:24:42am

re: #301 FrogMarch

We might not mess with him - but we shall laugh at him.

*whew* - and the let thought GWB was stupid?

Let alone what they thought of Dan Quayle. Thank God we have an intelligent man like Joe Biden in office./////

305 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:24:46am

re: #296 Eowyn2

north/south
or
east/west

More like AC/DC!

A number of divisions have actually been discussed, but just yesterday they were talking about breaking out the coastal (leftmost!) counties from LA to Marin as Blue California, with 80% of the population, leaving the rural parts as Red California.

Two more senators that way, but no more representatives.

306 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:24:58am

re: #303 Ford_Prefect

Don’t know the show, but that is the basic idea. How good would it look for a Senator or Governator to be able to say “Look how low our crime rate is now.” while completely ignoring the fact that it is only the result of legalizing the crime.

“Wow. Your accidental shootings is through the roof! And so are your car insurance claims!”

307 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:25:23am

re: #300 DaddyG

It will really send a message if they are followed by a loose confederation of states including South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi…

/

didn’t we go that way once already?

308 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:25:26am

re: #7 jcm

No Coal.
No domestic oil.
No Nuclear.

Energy independence on unicorn farts!

We shall lead the way! Once the US is clean - then the rest of the world will follow? I’m thinking they won’t.

309 gonecamping  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:25:26am

Perhaps the Vets will be allowed to expire, but I’m sure Obambi has a plan to assess a ‘surcharge’ on the productive members of society to ensure that the poor get subsidized electric.

The number of deadbeats on your street will dictate the monthly assessment on your bill.

As Joe Momma Biden says, ” C’mon and pony up, it’s time for everyone to pitch in”

yure: #27 JohnnyReb

Come on, it isn’t like they didn’t tell everyone and their brothers exactly what they were going to do.

I mean why is anyone shocked at this?

And the best is yet to come when poor people can’t pay their electric bills and get cutoff and die from the cold and heat. Somehow that will all be Bush’s fault.

310 Wendya  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:25:27am

You’ve got to admit, it does take balls for the administration to tell workers in coal states he’s going to bankrupt their industry and they’re going to be impoverished and lose everything they own but if they just keep voting for him and be patient, green jobs will come and all will be well.

311 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:25:46am

re: #293 Kosh’s Shadow

Did you forget the sarc tag?
Chernobyl had no containment, and was a graphite reactor. Those have a “positive temperature coefficient” - when they heat up, the reaction speeds up as well.
Most reactors are much safer.
Water cooled reactors have a negative temperature coefficient. When they heat, the water doesn’t moderate (slow down) the neutrons as well, and the reaction slows.
In the late 1950s or early 1960s, they built a reactor with a “fast negative temperature coefficient”. They drained the water, and the reactor shut down immediately without overheating.

And we’ve done tests of reactors similar to the current designs, simulating a loss of cooling accident. The result was not as bad as predicted.


I didnt figure I would need a sarc tag. You’re getting way to technical for me. Seriously though, they were experimenting and had only 9 cooling rods in place and they were taking the 9th one out when it went. The US DOT finally got the report a couple months after the fact and when Hanaford held a press conference, only a half dozen newsies showed up because it was all ‘old news’ and therefore not really important. The only thing the newspeople wanted were the death stats.

312 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:26:25am

re: #306 ConservatismNow!

“Wow. Your accidental shootings is through the roof! And so are your car insurance claims!”

And Twinkies sales would go be huge.

313 DaddyG  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:26:35am

re: #249 taxfreekiller

McCain is going to co-sponsor the new Amnesty in the Senate with Harry Reid.

Dark Side wins some over.

Whaddya mean the dark side wins some over. McCain was always a sith pretending to be emperor.

/maybe

314 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:26:37am

re: #67 Kosh’s Shadow

BTW, I believe coal supplies over half the power in the US.
No coal, and we WILL have blackouts, and whole industries will shut down.
Don’t bother bailing out the car companies; they need power and steel, which takes even more power.

As for the banks, are we going to go back to keeping records by hand?

There must be secret luddite meetings going on somewhere.

315 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:26:55am

re: #300 DaddyG

It will really send a message if they are followed by a loose confederation of states including South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi…

/

guys - this has been going on for awhile now…
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html

316 Eowyn2  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:27:32am

re: #299 Kosh’s Shadow

You heard about the new car the government is asking the car companies to make?
Here is the picture of the prototype.

I like homer’s car better. That bamboo thingie looks just like a golf cart.

317 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:27:32am

re: #301 FrogMarch

We might not mess with him - but we shall laugh at him.

*whew* - and the left thought GWB was stupid?

fixed

318 DaddyG  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:28:00am

re: #307 brookly red

didn’t we go that way once already?

Yeah but the uppity Yankees got their panties in a knot, invaded Virginia and all hell broke loose…

//

319 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:28:21am

re: #300 DaddyG

It will really send a message if they are followed by a loose confederation of states including South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi…

/

They aren’t talking about cessation, they are merely asserting their authority according to the Constitution. Every state should join them in this.

320 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:28:29am

re: #311 Eowyn2

I didnt figure I would need a sarc tag. You’re getting way to technical for me. Seriously though, they were experimenting and had only 9 cooling rods in place and they were taking the 9th one out when it went. The US DOT finally got the report a couple months after the fact and when Hanaford held a press conference, only a half dozen newsies showed up because it was all ‘old news’ and therefore not really important. The only thing the newspeople wanted were the death stats.

I figured you were being sarcastic, but the actual information is useful when discussing this with sane people who have only heard the other side from the news media.
And the media is clearly against nuclear power. Maybe we should require the reporters and editors use treadmills to run the presses. That won’t be too much work, given how circulations are declining.

321 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:28:42am

re: #304 soxfan4life

Let alone what they thought of Dan Quayle. Thank God we have an intelligent man like Joe Biden in office./////

With Biden it’s a Gaffe or a lie - each and every day.

ksla.com

322 Wendya  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:28:55am

re: #134 So?

You have to admit coal is an antiquated form of energy. We have the technology to create incredible new energy technologies.


If they were cost effective and generated enough energy to meet our needs, we would already be using them.

323 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:29:23am

re: #318 DaddyG

Yeah but the uppity Yankees got their panties in a knot, invaded Virginia and all hell broke loose…

//

I knew that sounded familiar.

324 gonecamping  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:29:27am

Quiz Time:

How come most of the folks telling me I need ‘clean energy’ look and smell like they don’t know what clean is?

Are Hippies dirty and smelly because they protest the ‘dirty energy’ used to produce clean hot water, and ‘nasty’ factories produce the soap and shampoo?

325 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:29:34am
326 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:29:45am

re: #316 Eowyn2

I like homer’s car better. That bamboo thingie looks just like a golf cart.

Well, that’s just the prototype. They’ll have real designers give it some style. Maybe some tail fins will make it look fast.

327 DaddyG  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:30:20am

re: #314 debutaunt

There must be secret luddite meetings going on somewhere.


Secret nothing. Their openly serving on the President’s Cabinet.

328 DaddyG  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:31:07am

re: #319 Ford_Prefect

They aren’t talking about cessation, they are merely asserting their authority according to the Constitution. Every state should join them in this.

I agree. But I also couldn’t resist having a bit of fun with the notion.

329 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:31:36am
330 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:32:08am
331 looking closely  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:32:42am

re: #310 Wendya

You’ve got to admit, it does take balls for the administration to tell workers in coal states he’s going to bankrupt their industry and they’re going to be impoverished and lose everything they own but if they just keep voting for him and be patient, green jobs will come and all will be well.

Well, he said it BEFORE the election, just nobody seemed to notice or care.

332 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:33:07am
333 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:33:43am

re: #42 MandyManners

If the NRDC is involved it’s junk science.

334 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:33:46am

re: #66 bigmoo

‘Rocky Mountain News’ shut down today. My choices for toilet paper are becoming limited in Colorado.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of liberals…

huh? Between The Denver Post and The Rocky - The Rocky was more balanced. (especially in the editorial pages)

335 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:34:37am

re: #329 Iron Fist

My Uncle is a nuclear engineer. He works down at Savannah River now, and has worked at other facilities during his carreer. He’s said that Chernobyl simply couldn’t happen with our reactors, and I believe him. I look at how successful nuclear power has been in the Navy. If nothing else, we could build the same kind of plant they use on a sub on land and use it to generate power.

Frankly, if someone blathers on about Gorebul Warming, and they aren’t pro-nuke I have a hard time taking them seriously. If Obama is serious abou getting rid of coal (and he appears to be) then we have to bring nuclear power on line to make up for it.

Or, I guess, we can go back to burning whale oil in lamps to light our homes. Of course, the environazis don’t like whaling, either…

A couple of years ago, we discussed making hippies into biodiesel. I think the smell would be pretty bad, though.
/Yes, it is sarc.

336 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:36:07am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Sick.

337 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:36:50am
338 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:38:07am

re: #335 Kosh’s Shadow

/awwww man, I already had a brand name registered, HipGo.

339 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:40:40am

re: #321 FrogMarch

With Biden it’s a Gaffe or a lie - each and every day.

[Link: www.ksla.com…]

Imagine if Quayle had said “Stand up Chuck” we would still be hearing about it and all the lawsuits filed on behalf of handicapped people everywhere.

340 BLBfootballs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:40:45am

re: #329 Iron Fist

My Uncle is a nuclear engineer. He works down at Savannah River now, and has worked at other facilities during his carreer. He’s said that Chernobyl simply couldn’t happen with our reactors, and I believe him. I look at how successful nuclear power has been in the Navy. If nothing else, we could build the same kind of plant they use on a sub on land and use it to generate power.

Frankly, if someone blathers on about Gorebul Warming, and they aren’t pro-nuke I have a hard time taking them seriously. If Obama is serious abou getting rid of coal (and he appears to be) then we have to bring nuclear power on line to make up for it.

Or, I guess, we can go back to burning whale oil in lamps to light our homes. Of course, the environazis don’t like whaling, either…

That is absolutely correct. The Chernobyl reactor design was an antiquated, uniquely Soviet monstrosity featuring a graphite-moderated core and no containment vessel! It was an atrocious design and the meltdown was prompted by its design and horribly dysfunctional operators. In-service American, French and Western nuclear reactors, thorium reactors, and the upcoming PBMR and HTR reactors have none of these issues.

341 BLBfootballs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:44:26am

re: #329 Iron Fist

If the “environmentalist” goal was clean electricity they would embrace nuclear reactors wholeheartedly, as has France. But hardcore environmentalists (and the eco-fundamentalists who really drive the movement) have a very different agenda fueled by a very different set of beliefs.

342 Peacekeeper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:45:57am

re: #340 BLBfootballs

That is absolutely correct. The Chernobyl reactor design was an antiquated, uniquely Soviet monstrosity featuring a graphite-moderated core and no containment vessel! It was an atrocious design and the meltdown was prompted by its design and horribly dysfunctional operators. In-service American, French and Western nuclear reactors, thorium reactors, and the upcoming PBMR and HTR reactors have none of these issues.


You’re conveniently overlooking nuclear powers terrible safety record creating giant ants, spiders, grasshoppers and 50 foot women in the American southwest.

343 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:46:25am

re: #332 Iron Fist

If you really split the state in two like that, the Red California would get at least one Representative. One is the minimum you can have no matter how low your population is.

I think even Red California would have several, actually.

344 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:46:33am

re: #341 BLBfootballs

And Zombie has covered that quite extensively on the blog.

345 Aviator  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:46:42am

re: #335 Kosh’s Shadow

A couple of years ago, we discussed making hippies into biodiesel. I think the smell would be pretty bad, though.
/Yes, it is sarc.

Patchouli green is hippies!

346 blue_like_jazz  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:46:53am

This whole thing is SO STUPID!

As I type, Duke Energy is retrofitting coal burning plants all across the southeast so that their emissions are 99% pure STEAM.

You heard me… nothing but WATER comes from the smokestacks.

All of the byproducts of the coal-burning process are processed and turned into USABLE products, such as wall board and cinder blocks.

Coal-burning is becoming one of the very cleanest ways to produce power. The retrofitting and plans for new plants are all configured to be VERY VERY GREEN.

Obama is an idiot and a fool.

347 lookingup  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:48:30am

Mr. Biden and current administration, may I introduce you to the law of unintended consequences.

348 gonecamping  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:49:37am

By their nature, Hippies avoid work, therefore contain almost zero potential energy. Logical extrapolation would indicate that at best one would get no useful energy from Hippie fuel, and at worst your engine would go on a ‘sit in’ protest leaving you stranded on the way to work.


re: #335 Kosh’s Shadow

A couple of years ago, we discussed making hippies into biodiesel. I think the smell would be pretty bad, though.
/Yes, it is sarc.

349 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:49:39am

re: #342 Peacekeeper

You’re conveniently overlooking nuclear powers terrible safety record creating giant ants, spiders, grasshoppers and 50 foot women in the American southwest.

50 foot women? Wow they must have huuuugggeee…….tracks of land.

350 debutaunt  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:50:18am

re: #347 lookingup

Mr. Biden and current administration, may I introduce you to the law of unintended consequences.

Gee - they never mean for bad things to happen.

351 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:50:34am
352 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:50:35am

re: #347 lookingup

Mr. Biden and current administration, may I introduce you to the law of unintended consequences.

/laws are of no consequence, it seems.

353 Peacekeeper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:50:56am

re: #348 gonecamping

By their nature, Hippies avoid work, therefore contain almost zero potential energy. Logical extrapolation would indicate that at best one would get no useful energy from Hippie fuel, and at worst your engine would go on a ‘sit in’ protest leaving you stranded on the way to work.

They would also smoke a lot.

354 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:51:17am
355 gonecamping  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:51:43am

If it wasn’t for nuclear energy we would have no late night movies!


re: #342 Peacekeeper

You’re conveniently overlooking nuclear powers terrible safety record creating giant ants, spiders, grasshoppers and 50 foot women in the American southwest.

356 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:53:07am

re: #346 blue_like_jazz

This whole thing is SO STUPID!

As I type, Duke Energy is retrofitting coal burning plants all across the southeast so that their emissions are 99% pure STEAM.

You heard me… nothing but WATER comes from the smokestacks.

All of the byproducts of the coal-burning process are processed and turned into USABLE products, such as wall board and cinder blocks.

Coal-burning is becoming one of the very cleanest ways to produce power. The retrofitting and plans for new plants are all configured to be VERY VERY GREEN.

Obama is an idiot and a fool.

Oh no! Dihydrogen monoxide gas! That is dangerous!
/

357 Colonel Panik  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:53:37am

So, Joe, this is really going to go over well with the folks in Scranton.

My mom’s folks were from the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton area. When my maternal great-grandfathers came over from Poland, in the early 1900’s, they worked in the coal mines there. Coal is still a big industry there AFAIK. Seems like Joe wants to shoot himself in the foot.

358 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:54:40am

via Instapundit, a quick look at Tea Party gatherings around the country…

IT’S COLD AND RAINY, but the Tea Party pictures are coming in via cellphone already. Here are a couple.
More Chicago pictures here. Plus this summary: “The Chicago Tea Party was an unqualified success. I’m not an expert at judging crowd sizes, but there could’ve been as many as 500 to 1000 people there. In cold weather, in the middle of February, without paid organizers like the left has.”

Plus Bill Rickords emails from Wichita, Kansas: “About 3-400 folks showed up in 25 degree weather. Don’t know what these things would be in Spring weather. But we had a pig show up anyway.” I thought they were all in D.C.!

And Bradley Ems emails from St. Louis: “I don’t know if you’ve gotten any pictures from St. Louis (I’m too swamped at work to have attended), but KMOX just reported that the tea party here was expected to draw a small group of 50…over 1,000 showed up. There is something brwing in the
heartland.”

And Joe Fairbanks emails from Oklahoma City: “I’ll be sending you pictures from the ‘Tea Party’ in Oklahoma City soon. I wanted to let you know that we had an amazing turnout of 400 people. This is amazing for multiple reasons, but mostly because this rally was organized in less than 48 hours and it took place at 11 am and the temperature was below freezing with the wind blowing quite strongly. Simply put: people are mad as hell. Obama and Congress won’t be able to ignore this anger much longer if they hope to survive 2010 or 2012. I can also tell you the crowd did take a lot of pride in the fact that our Senators, Tom Coburn and Jim Inhofe, are two of the leaders against all this irresponsible spending. I’ll get those pictures to you as soon as I get them back.”

359 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:55:28am

re: #342 Peacekeeper

You’re conveniently overlooking nuclear powers terrible safety record creating giant ants, spiders, grasshoppers and 50 foot women in the American southwest.

she was only 40 feet in flats…

360 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:55:39am

re: #30 Kosh’s Shadow

Here’s their plan -
solar power from space

It will probably be available in 20-30 years if we spend even more money than the spendulus porkage.

Actually, space solar power may be feasible. In the meantime, we have this problem: cap and trade gets the economics all wrong. If for whatever reason, even be it purely political, we’re going to limit our use of fossil fuels, there’s a right way to implement the policy, so as to minimize the net cost. That right way is to tax fuels by their carbon content. Then the market can sort out satellite solar, nuclear, wind, efficiency savings on the consumption end, biofuels, ground solar photoelectric, ground solar thermal, geothermal, etc.

Cap and trade is the wrong approach. It’s not really market based, because who gets the indulgences that may then be traded is political, and because “offsets”, mostly phony, will be available from politically connected players.

A further advantage of doing it honestly and above board, with a tax, is that it’s honest and above board. Everybody can see what it costs. That puts a cap on how high the tax can go, and lets people trade in the administration it it goes over that cap.

On second thought, maybe honest and above board is not in the interest of this administration. Ya think?

361 Colonel Panik  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:55:40am

re: #335 Kosh’s Shadow

A couple of years ago, we discussed making hippies into biodiesel. I think the smell would be pretty bad, though.
/Yes, it is sarc.

One of the reasons I bought a Jeep Liberty with the 2.8 Liter TurboDiesel is the capability of running it with biodiesel. However, I think I’ll pass on biodiesel made from hippies. I don’t want the smell of b.o. and patchouli coming out of my tailpipe. I think the EPA would classify it as a noxious emission.

362 NYCHardhat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:55:41am

I’ve given up all hope. (no pun intended) It seems one day he knows what he is doing (marxist agenda), then the next day it seems like he is winging everything. This guys is THE. WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.

363 Wendya  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:57:09am

re: #346 blue_like_jazz


Obama is an idiot and a fool.

As are his supporters.

364 gonecamping  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:58:48am

Did you say STEAM? No particulates or pollutants?Look out, PETA will be on them for burning birds out of the sky. They will be ‘forced’ to add in some ‘coloring agent’ so the birds can see the plume.

On a more serious not, what the H do they want? Those idgits will carp about anything to fight progress and foist their own agenda on the world.


re: #346 blue_like_jazz

This whole thing is SO STUPID!

As I type, Duke Energy is retrofitting coal burning plants all across the southeast so that their emissions are 99% pure STEAM.

You heard me… nothing but WATER comes from the smokestacks.

All of the byproducts of the coal-burning process are processed and turned into USABLE products, such as wall board and cinder blocks.

Coal-burning is becoming one of the very cleanest ways to produce power. The retrofitting and plans for new plants are all configured to be VERY VERY GREEN.

Obama is an idiot and a fool.

365 Colonel Panik  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:59:28am

re: #342 Peacekeeper

You’re conveniently overlooking nuclear powers terrible safety record creating giant ants, spiders, grasshoppers and 50 foot women in the American southwest.

MANT!

366 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:00:59am

re: #346 blue_like_jazz

This whole thing is SO STUPID!

As I type, Duke Energy is retrofitting coal burning plants all across the southeast so that their emissions are 99% pure STEAM.

You heard me… nothing but WATER comes from the smokestacks.

All of the byproducts of the coal-burning process are processed and turned into USABLE products, such as wall board and cinder blocks.

Coal-burning is becoming one of the very cleanest ways to produce power. The retrofitting and plans for new plants are all configured to be VERY VERY GREEN.

Obama is an idiot and a fool.

Wallboard made of carbon dioxide? What have you been smoking? When you say Obama’s a fool, it’s important to not give factually impossible nonsense as supporting evidence for that opinion.

It may just barely be possible to sequester CO2 from coal fired plants underground. While that would make the coal “green”, it doesn’t make the CO2 usable.

367 gonecamping  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:01:04am

Not to mention the pot fumes….driving past a school could be a felony if the kids are in the playground and exposed to the exhaust.


re: #361 Colonel Panik

One of the reasons I bought a Jeep Liberty with the 2.8 Liter TurboDiesel is the capability of running it with biodiesel. However, I think I’ll pass on biodiesel made from hippies. I don’t want the smell of b.o. and patchouli coming out of my tailpipe. I think the EPA would classify it as a noxious emission.

368 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:01:15am

re: #365 Colonel Panik

MANT!

You get an upding for a great avatar and a hilarious quote.

369 looking closely  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:01:21am

re: #346 blue_like_jazz

This whole thing is SO STUPID!

As I type, Duke Energy is retrofitting coal burning plants all across the southeast so that their emissions are 99% pure STEAM.

You heard me… nothing but WATER comes from the smokestacks.

All of the byproducts of the coal-burning process are processed and turned into USABLE products, such as wall board and cinder blocks.

Coal-burning is becoming one of the very cleanest ways to produce power. The retrofitting and plans for new plants are all configured to be VERY VERY GREEN.

Obama is an idiot and a fool.


I think he knows exactly what he is doing.

This is what happens when you put Marxists and leftists in charge of things. Everywhere it happens it eventually leads to economic ruin.

370 turn  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:01:55am

re: #340 BLBfootballs

PBMR - right on. We should be putting these things in like there is no tomorrow.

pbmr.com

371 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:03:05am
372 Colonel Panik  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:03:40am

re: #368 Leonidas Hoplite

You get an upding for a great avatar and a hilarious quote.

“MANT” is the spoof of 1950s “nuclear mutant” movies that is a film within a film of John Goodman’s “Matinee” about a teenager in Florida during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

373 abolitionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:04:27am

re: #30 Kosh’s Shadow

Here’s their plan -
solar power from space

It will probably be available in 20-30 years if we spend even more money than the spendulus porkage.

This is a really crappy idea in several respects. For one, how the heck can you expect to keep a space-based microwave transmitter aimed at an earth-based receiver? Remember, the transmitter is part of a friggin’ satellite. It moves! And what percentage of the time can it be “over the target”? Near-zero, unless it’s always over the equator, but then it’s only slightly better. Ok, one could consider a geosynchronous orbit, but in that case it would be 1000s of miles away, and beam dispersion gets to be a big issue.

374 Colonel Panik  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:04:36am

re: #367 gonecamping

Not to mention the pot fumes….driving past a school could be a felony if the kids are in the playground and exposed to the exhaust.

LOL!

375 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:04:49am

re: #329 Iron Fist

If is a great option for stationary power plants. It is mostly the misinformed who oppose it.

And if the French can handle it, we certainly can./

376 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:06:08am

Another day, another salvo fired against business and industry from the Obama administration. In his attempt to “Europeanize” America (something I predicted 1 year ago) he and his henchmen will stop at nothing to achieve that goal.

Our worst case scenarios of an Obama administration are evolving before our very eyes and in fact the reality of this administration has proven these scenarios not only to be correct but perhaps worse than we expected. Adding to this downward pressure from this maniacal president is the unrealistic schedule he seems to have created from out of thin air.

It is true that President Obama is a narcissist which was evident when he first hit the national scene in 2006. Since then I believe that he has displayed another pathology which is that of a obsessed maniacal mad man.

377 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:06:34am

re: #361 Colonel Panik

One of the reasons I bought a Jeep Liberty with the 2.8 Liter TurboDiesel is the capability of running it with biodiesel.


You might want to run that thought by your local injection pump rebuilder first. Mine won’t warranty any rebuilds running anymore than 5% biodiesel.

378 Wendya  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:07:23am

re: #361 Colonel Panik

One of the reasons I bought a Jeep Liberty with the 2.8 Liter TurboDiesel is the capability of running it with biodiesel. However, I think I’ll pass on biodiesel made from hippies. I don’t want the smell of b.o. and patchouli coming out of my tailpipe. I think the EPA would classify it as a noxious emission.

I have two CJ’s from the early 80’s and I’m seriously leaning towards replacing the straight sixes with diesel. I’m going to let my mechanic (used to work for Jeep) have the ‘83 this summer and we’ll see if we can get a suitable engine at a decent price.

379 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:08:29am
380 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:09:12am

re: #375 VioletTiger

Merde ! what’ ; s avec toutes ces lumières rouges !

381 Colonel Panik  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:12:28am

re: #377 UFO TOFU

You might want to run that thought by your local injection pump rebuilder first. Mine won’t warranty any rebuilds running anymore than 5% biodiesel.

Interesting.
Is this with vehicles built after 2000 or earlier? From what I’ve heard it is only prior to 2000 model vehicles that need mods to run biodiesel…rubber hoses need to be replaced with plastic or steel, hadn’t heard about the injection pump issue. I’ve talked to some folks at a local biodiesel producer and they are running a 2005 Liberty and post 2000 VW TDI’s without any mods as those vehicles do not have rubber fuel lines.

Thanks for the tip.

382 VioletTiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:13:36am

re: #380 brookly red

Merde ! what’ ; s avec toutes ces lumières rouges !

Did you just say shit, what’s with all the red lights? I used to know some french but I think I forgot most of it.

383 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:15:40am

re: #382 VioletTiger

Did you just say shit, what’s with all the red lights? I used to know some french but I think I forgot most of it.

all these red light, but yes pretty spot on, at least according to babel fish ;)

384 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:18:29am

re: #381 Colonel Panik

It’s not year-specific; it’s because of all the crap from the fuel that builds up pump. Here in CA they’ve outlawed any cleaner strong enough to remove the gunk from the passage ways; you no longer rebuild a pump/nozzle, you replace it. It may be different where you live.

385 gonecamping  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:20:28am

I didn’t read the article, but IF there was a viable space station power plant and it could beam down the energy for use on Earth (that is if Biden doesn’t propose extension cords).

What happens if ‘an accident’ knocks the aim of the satellite off? Could the energy beam take out a highly sensitive location? It would be one thing to merely eliminate the power supply to the USA, but imagine if it could be used as a weapon against us.

Space is the next frontier and one would have to be naive to think that China and others have no plans to militarize it


re: #30 Kosh’s Shadow

Here’s their plan -
solar power from space

It will probably be available in 20-30 years if we spend even more money than the spendulus porkage.

386 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:20:43am

re: #384 UFO TOFU
Aw crap.

It’s not year-specific; it’s because of all the crap from the fuel that builds up pump. Here in CA they’ve outlawed any cleaner strong enough to remove the gunk from the passage ways; you no longer rebuild a pump/nozzle running biodiesel, you replace it. It may be different where you live.
387 gonecamping  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:25:35am

You mean you can’t pop a cholesterol; pill in the tank to keep the lines clean?

re: #386 UFO TOFU

Aw crap.

re: #384 UFO TOFU

It’s not year-specific; it’s because of all the crap from the fuel that builds up pump. Here in CA they’ve outlawed any cleaner strong enough to remove the gunk from the passage ways; you no longer rebuild a pump/nozzle, you replace it. It may be different where you live.

388 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:32:34am

re: #385 gonecamping

I didn’t read the article, but IF there was a viable space station power plant and it could beam down the energy for use on Earth (that is if Biden doesn’t propose extension cords).

What happens if ‘an accident’ knocks the aim of the satellite off? Could the energy beam take out a highly sensitive location? It would be one thing to merely eliminate the power supply to the USA, but imagine if it could be used as a weapon against us.

Space is the next frontier and one would have to be naive to think that China and others have no plans to militarize it

They have designed antennas that require some of the beam to be reflected back to keep the transmitting modules in phase. Lose track, and the modules drift, causing the beam to spread to where it is no longer dangerous.

389 Annar  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:34:13am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Vatican and the RoP issue joint statement slamming Israel, opposing free speech….
Catholic-Muslim commission calls for respect of human rights

I guess this means Catholic support for the U.N.’s proposed (binding) anti-blasphemy proposal.

390 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:35:08am

re: #387 gonecamping

You mean you can’t pop a cholesterol; pill in the tank to keep the lines clean?

I wish. As it is, I have to add close to $300 worth of additive every time I get a load of fuel to compensate for the lack of sulfur in the new diesel formulation.

391 iChef  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:36:13am

Same thing for the Oil Industry folks, but unlike coal, oil is used in EVERYTHING from making it to getting it to you.
Obama’s budget hits oil hard

392 Gretchen  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:36:33am

Biden is mentally challenged. Lick the windows mentally challenged.

Is that politically correct?

393 HippieforLife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:47:45am

re: #346 blue_like_jazz

The O is a fool and so is the MSM. They just are not getting the true story out.

But Michelle is sure a fine looking gal and his kids are so cute. That is what passes for news in the MSM.

394 HippieforLife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:53:27am

re: #348 gonecamping

I don’t think that there are any true hippies left. I guess it depends on the definition. Some of these latter day hippies are just dirty and grouchy.

I remeber when I did my student teaching that the classroom teacher thought I was a hippie because I wore wire rim glasses, and leather jacket and had long, straight blond hair. She didn’t like me at all and I bathed and everything! :)

395 miggle's ghost  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:55:25am

What a fine selection for Veep: a Jerry Brown lookalike and almost as sane.

396 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:55:31am

re: #241 looking closely

Its nothing to do with “half assed”, and everything to do with simple economics.

There are plenty of non-petroleum based energy techologies already available.

When non-petroleum energy sources are CHEAPER or more effective, they’ll be widely adopted. Until they are, they won’t, and its really that simple.

That’s how ANY technology works, and no amount of hand-waving is going to change that. You can artificially add to the costs of certain energy sources by taxing the s@#$ out of them (like Obama and Biden want to do), but that both distorts the energy markets AND damages the economy.

Also, solar and wind-based energy may be “clean” but they’re not all that reliable.

The truly “greenest” cheap energy source is nuclear fuel, but the same greenies that hate petroleum are also peaceniks to whom anything nuclear is only a quarter-step away from a thermonuclear weapon, so these are political non-starters.

That’s what I said, until oil prices and coal prices go back up the only people investing in “green” energy are the true believers and politicians making claims of doing so to look like they are true believers.

397 SixDegrees  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 12:54:27pm

Welcome to the age where “bad” is “good.”

Sort of like claiming you’re going to slash the deficit in half - after you quadruple it.

398 BLBfootballs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 1:17:28pm

re: #342 Peacekeeper

You’re conveniently overlooking nuclear powers terrible safety record creating giant ants, spiders, grasshoppers and 50 foot women in the American southwest.

Lol. I confess!

399 blue_like_jazz  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:30:54pm

re: #366 lostlakehiker

Wallboard made of carbon dioxide? What have you been smoking? When you say Obama’s a fool, it’s important to not give factually impossible nonsense as supporting evidence for that opinion.

It may just barely be possible to sequester CO2 from coal fired plants underground. While that would make the coal “green”, it doesn’t make the CO2 usable.


You have no idea what you’re talking about yourself. My husband helped retrofit one of their coal-burners so I actually have experience with this process.

At the new stations, the flue gas that used to go straight out of the smokestack is captured into an absorber and sprayed down with a mixture of water and limestone. The combination of the sulfur in the flue gas and the limestone makes an inert mixture which is turned into synthetic gypsum. This is what is used to make wall board, etc.

The carbon dioxide is destroyed in the process.

Moron.

400 SixDegrees  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:19:50pm
The carbon dioxide is destroyed in the process.

Not exactly. It’s sequestered in the resulting wallboard, trapped there in a relatively inert form where it will remain unless exposed to conditions - an acidic environment, for example, like a landfill - that allow it’s release.

But you are correct that this is one way to capture CO2 and remove it from the atmosphere, or at least divert what’s normally discharged to the atmosphere to another destination.

Pinheaded environmental Luddites being what they are, it isn’t certain whether such recapture would be considered as a reduction in their eyes. They have a habit of inflating CO2 production measures by counting only sources, ignoring sinks such as this one that can reduce total emissions significantly.

401 big L  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:15:28pm

Well joe, in your state,Delaware, they spent $250,000,000 that’s a quarter of a billion dollars, to preserve 44,000 acres of open space.Read about what Joe’s state is doing to private property owners.
tinyurl.com
this was also dnrec.delaware.gov site in a pdf file.
department of natural resources.
VEry scary to read property owners begging to read the documents and they were not ready, and how one is the only one that is blocked from using his property.
This is what happens, I guess in Delaware. So it sounds familiar and this taking of property is to be worked across the USA—no?


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