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NASA’s Spitzer and Hubble Space Telescopes teamed up to expose the chaos that baby stars are creating 1,500 light years away in a cosmic cloud called the Orion nebula. This striking composite indicates that four monstrously massive stars, collectively called the “Trapezium,” at the center of the cloud may be the main culprits in the Orion constellation, a familiar sight in the fall and winter night sky in the northern hemisphere. Their community can be identified as the yellow smudge near the center of the image.

Swirls of green in Hubble’s ultraviolet and visible-light view reveal hydrogen and sulfur gas that have been heated and ionized by intense ultraviolet radiation from the Trapezium’s stars. Meanwhile, Spitzer’s infrared view exposes carbon-rich molecules called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in the cloud. These organic molecules have been illuminated by the Trapezium’s stars, and are shown in the composite as wisps of red and orange. On Earth, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are found on burnt toast and in automobile exhaust.

Image credit: NASA.

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669 comments
1 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:34:10pm

Simply gorgeous!

2 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:36:00pm

Beautiful!

3 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:36:23pm

God does good work. Amazing.

Does anyone else see arms and hands reaching out? The white? Or is it just me?

4 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:36:29pm

cool

5 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:36:41pm

I can see the finger of G-d making stars.
Well, figuratively.

Anyone who thinks science doesn't improve your view of G-d has a limited understanding of either science or religion.

6 Clemente  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:36:58pm

Looks a bit like the inside of my head!

7 Basho  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:36:59pm

Awesome! Another amazing discovery from the Discovery Institute!

8 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:37:27pm

MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS!

-David Bowman

9 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:37:41pm

re: #3 Crimsonfisted

God does good work. Amazing.

Does anyone else see arms and hands reaching out? The white? Or is it just me?

About 18 seconds later. See my #5

10 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:37:42pm

M42. One of the things that makes spending the extra bucks on a good telescope and astrophotography rig worth it.

11 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:38:06pm

Someone's burning a lot of toast up there.

12 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:38:08pm

Behold the primordial soup!

13 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:38:21pm

re: #3 Crimsonfisted

Does anyone else see arms and hands reaching out? The white? Or is it just me?

I see... two elephants, making love to a mens' glee club.


/hat tip: Woody Allen

14 bulwrk  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:39:14pm

I love burnt toast.

15 Basho  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:39:21pm

Whoa! I'm seeing a face in that cloud. SpaceJesus, is that you?

16 turn  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:39:22pm

Wow spectacular. If all the galaxies in the known universe were the size of a pea they would overflow a football stadium. And with that bit of trivia turn says have a great weekend, time to go walk the lab along the American.

17 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:39:28pm

The heavens proclaim the majesty of God.

18 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:39:44pm
NASA’s Spitzer and Hubble Space Telescopes

The Spitzer Telescope really gives us a V.I.P. Emperor's view of the Universe.

19 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:40:10pm

hurrah! A science thread..and astronomy to boot!
My favorite astronomy web site:
[Link: www.universetoday.com...]
my second:
[Link: www.starstryder.com...]
oh and bad astronomy blog is awesome also
Thanks Charles!

20 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:40:27pm

Photoshop!
No globular clusters!

21 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:40:47pm

Wow, just wow. Awesome. "How Great Thou Art" comes to mind.

22 freedombilly  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:40:51pm

I bet if we put every dollar in Obama's new budget end to end we could reach the Orion nebula.

23 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:41:15pm

Beautiful. Looks like sunlight on a light sweet crude oil spill.

24 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:41:25pm

re: #5 Kosh's Shadow

I can see the finger of G-d making stars.

I see a very different supernatural being. (Really.)

25 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:41:48pm

re: #16 turn

Wow spectacular. If all the galaxies in the known universe were the size of a pea they would overflow a football stadium. And with that bit of trivia turn says have a great weekend, time to go walk the lab along the American.

Universal Peas!

26 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:41:57pm

re: #21 rawmuse

Wow, just wow. Awesome. "How Great Thou Art" comes to mind.

Thanks.


(You're talking about my post #13, right?)

27 Kragarghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:42:05pm

Getting kicked out of the thread when I hit quote

28 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:42:18pm

Imagine $36,000,000 in 1978 for a space telescope?! How's that creating jobs for Americans?

/bobby jindal mode off

29 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:42:22pm

re: #24 Occasional Reader

I see a very different supernatural being. (Really.)

I'm surprised you don't see Adriana Lima. Oh, she's taken; maybe another Brazilian supermodel instead.

30 Roses  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:42:56pm

WOW! Just, WOW!

31 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:43:23pm

"Hubble?..........Unnecessary"

///B. Jindal

32 quickjustice  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:43:42pm

Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons = benzene rings. Great for getting that paint off, but don't inhale it!

33 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:43:49pm

re: #22 freedombilly

I bet if we put every dollar in Obama's new budget end to end we could reach the Orion nebula.

And back again.

34 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:44:11pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Getting kicked out of the thread when I hit quote

I was just bitching about this in the last thread.

And I had to clear the cache again just to get IN to this thread.

35 loppyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:44:53pm

re: #34 Occasional Reader

I was just bitching about this in the last thread.

And I had to clear the cache again just to get IN to this thread.

I had problems on the last thread too...

36 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:45:04pm

re: #29 Kosh's Shadow

I'm surprised you don't see Adriana Lima. Oh, she's taken; maybe another Brazilian supermodel instead.

She certainly is a heavenly body.

37 quickjustice  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:45:23pm

I've said on another thread that my cousin was an optical engineer on the Hubble project. He opposed the initial launch, warning that there was defect in the lensing. He later was on the engineering team that designed the fix.

38 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:45:25pm
Swirls of green in Hubble's ultraviolet and visible-light view reveal hydrogen and sulfur gas that have been heated and ionized by intense ultraviolet radiation from the Trapezium's stars. Meanwhile, Spitzer's infrared view exposes carbon-rich molecules called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in the cloud. These organic molecules have been illuminated by the Trapezium's stars, and are shown in the composite as wisps of red and orange. On Earth, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are found on burnt toast and in automobile exhaust.

You're talking some major carbon credits to offset that. Gore's mouth must be watering.

39 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:45:37pm

re: #34 Occasional Reader

I was just bitching about this in the last thread.

And I had to clear the cache again just to get IN to this thread.

That's because Obama is taxing your cache..

40 Empire1  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:45:38pm

Wow! Gorgeous!

41 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:46:20pm

Space Based Telescopes? Unproven technology.

/The One.

42 quickjustice  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:46:34pm

I see Jesus! ;-)

43 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:47:01pm

I see a unicorn.

44 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:47:11pm

re: #37 quickjustice

I've said on another thread that my cousin was an optical engineer on the Hubble project.

Yes, and we didn't believe you then, either.

///

45 formercorpsman  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:47:18pm

That is pretty wild.

46 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:47:35pm

I see Jesus riding a unicorn!

47 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:47:46pm

And to think that Obama's ego extends 17 light years beyond this. The universe is humbling, isn't it.

48 abolitionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:48:01pm

The Orion Nebula, along with the embedded stars that illuminate it, is among the youngest celestial objects visible to the unaided eye.

This nebula is currently visible to the unaided eye, yet oddly there is no mention of the nebulosity in the written astronomical records prior to the 17th century. In particular, neither Ptolemy in the Almagest nor Al Sufi in his Book of Fixed Stars noted this nebula, even though they both listed patches of nebulosity elsewhere in the night sky. Curiously this nebula was also not mentioned by Galileo, even though he made telescope observations of this part of the constellation in 1610 and 1617.[11] This has led to some speculation that a flare-up of the illuminating stars may have increased the brightness of the nebula.[12]
49 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:48:10pm

Hubble------------UP!
DOW--------------DOWN------------> -119.15

/when you wish upon a star..................
(stars make lousy presidents!)

50 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:48:11pm

re: #46 Occasional Reader

I see Jesus riding a unicorn!

It's 0bama on a Pegasus Unicorn.

51 loppyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:48:22pm
52 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:48:37pm

re: #38 HelloDare

You're talking some major carbon credits to offset that. Gore's mouth must be watering.

Sssshh. Don't give them any ideas. I can hear it now: "Our carbon footprint has been proven to affect the distant galaxies".

53 quickjustice  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:48:45pm

re: #44 Occasional Reader

Heh. If I'd said I was on the team, you'd have grounds for suspicion. He moved on to Kodak, and now is with a defense contractor in Dan Diego.

54 quickjustice  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:50:08pm

Er. . . San Diego. Must be the Sipping Whiskey kicking in! Burp!

55 BakaRanger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:50:30pm

Anyone here think that the collision between satellites from the US and Russia more that just an accident?

56 Rancher  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:51:10pm
Meanwhile, Spitzer’s infrared view exposes carbon-rich molecules called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in the cloud. These organic molecules have been illuminated by the Trapezium’s stars, and are shown in the composite as wisps of red and orange. On Earth, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are found on burnt toast and in automobile exhaust.

Proof of Intelligent Design!

57 snowcrash  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:51:18pm

Has anyone had any luck finding the greenish comet Lulin supposedly visible to the eye the last few nights? I looked a few times each night and saw nothing. Lots of light pollution.

58 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:51:21pm

re: #55 BakaRanger

Anyone here think that the collision between satellites from the US and Russia more that just an accident?

Maybe. Maybe not.

59 loppyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:51:25pm

I love how Paula Deen pronounces boil like bowl.

Just sayin'.

60 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:51:29pm

re: #54 quickjustice

Er. . . San Diego. Must be the Sipping Whiskey kicking in! Burp!

I thought you meant Dan Diego, Private Eye...

Later, folks.

61 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:51:30pm

$36,000,000 in 1978 is still a lot of money. Press on your eyeballs and you can see the same thing.

62 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:51:35pm

re: #51 loppyd

Some people, don't be generic friend.

63 formercorpsman  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:51:45pm

re: #55 BakaRanger

Do you have any links?

64 loppyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:52:12pm

re: #62 Thanos

Some people, don't be generic friend.

Fair enough.

65 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:52:29pm

re: #59 loppyd

I love how Paula Deen pronounces boil like bowl.

Just sayin'.

And each recipe starts with either:
1 stick a'butter
OR
! cup of may-yo-naize

66 wiffersnapper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:52:53pm

Puts mother nature's rainbows to shame

67 Clemente  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:53:00pm

re: #22 freedombilly

I bet if we put every dollar in Obama's new budget end to end we could reach the Orion nebula.

Naw, you'd need like 91 million, trillion dollars. Maybe next year, after the inflation kicks in...

68 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:53:04pm

re: #57 snowcrash

Has anyone had any luck finding the greenish comet Lulin supposedly visible to the eye the last few nights? I looked a few times each night and saw nothing. Lots of light pollution.

Same with me, and I tried with binoculars (10x50)

69 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:53:11pm

Look up tonight....
Catch Comet Lulin in the Evening


There's a dim green comet in the sky, and you can spot it with a pair of binoculars — even through moderate light pollution. But you'll have to know exactly where to look. The chart at right should get you there. It shows the starry scene at about 9 p.m. through March 1st.
70 formercorpsman  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:53:34pm

re: #65 Crimsonfisted

You know, I never thought of that before, but you are right.

I surf, and sometimes stop on that channel.

71 loppyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:53:48pm

re: #65 Crimsonfisted

And each recipe starts with either:
1 stick a'butter
OR
! cup of may-yo-naize

The BF calls her "stick a buttah" - LOL

She loves her cheese too!

72 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:53:50pm

re: #64 loppyd

Fair enough.

I do agree with you that it's sick and twisted, hope they throw the book at the guy.

73 loppyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:54:59pm

re: #72 Thanos

I do agree with you that it's sick and twisted, hope they throw the book at the guy.

Don't count on it. This is MA we're talking about here.

74 Bloodnok  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:55:15pm

Later, folkses. I hope I get the chance to log back in this weekend. I have no access to the interwebs at home. Apparently someone cancelled my phone and internet service. Nice security, Verizon. Either that or some clown there screwed up. And then make me waid "a few days" before turning my internet service back on (they had to treat it as an entirely new setup). Maybe I should break down and finally get a cell phone.

75 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:55:21pm

re: #55 BakaRanger

Anyone here think that the collision between satellites from the US and Russia more that just an accident?

Here is a web site that tracks the debris in real time..The thing is no one can understand how this accident happened with such powerful tracking tools..Hell they track f'n bolts in space..weird..
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

76 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:55:44pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Look up tonight....
Catch Comet Lulin in the Evening

Comet lulin... just here for the Lulz...

77 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:56:10pm
78 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:56:14pm

re: #57 snowcrash

Has anyone had any luck finding the greenish comet Lulin supposedly visible to the eye the last few nights? I looked a few times each night and saw nothing. Lots of light pollution.

It's almost impossible to see the comet with the naked eye..

79 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:56:15pm

re: #66 wiffersnapper

Puts mother nature's rainbows to shame

I thought we were looking at additional works by Mother Nature.

Perhaps this is the work of Father Time?

80 SummerSong  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:56:25pm

Star light, star bright...

It's beautiful.

81 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:56:34pm

re: #55 BakaRanger

Anyone here think that the collision between satellites from the US and Russia more that just an accident?

Iridium 33 and Cosmos 2251 where both comms satellites. Cosmos 2251 was launched in '93 and died in '95. Neither were steerable, so no, it's just accident in crowded skies.

82 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:57:16pm
Meanwhile, Spitzer’s infrared view exposes carbon-rich molecules called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in the cloud. These organic molecules have been illuminated by the Trapezium’s stars, and are shown in the composite as wisps of red and orange. On Earth, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are found on burnt toast and in automobile exhaust.

Hydrocarbons? What is their footprint?

Call Al Gore, call anyone you can think of - we've got to put a cap on this right now! Otherwise, within a few light years - Catastrophic Universal Warming!

83 loppyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:57:16pm

re: #74 Bloodnok

have a good weekend!

84 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:58:02pm

Time to head home.
BBL; back in a few hours

85 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:58:42pm

Very pretty! Amazing what goes on up there!

86 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:58:50pm
87 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:58:55pm
88 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:59:12pm

re: #15 Basho

You cant sell the nebula on E-Bay so no use reaching there.

89 loppyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:59:40pm

re: #87 ploome hineni

lol

have you seen the stove she has in her kitchen?

the big one on the bottom left

new set or old set? I love them both, btw.

90 BakaRanger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 2:59:47pm

re: #55 BakaRanger

Anyone here think that the collision between satellites from the US and Russia more that just an accident?

Iridium 33 and Cosmos 2251 where both comms satellites. Cosmos 2251 was launched in '93 and died in '95. Neither were steerable, so no, it's just accident in crowded skies.


I hope this is the case. I would hate to see Russia return to it's belligerent and provocative ways.

91 opnion  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:00:13pm

Bet that Congress woman, Sheila Jackson Lee can see the planted American Flag, just off to the right.

92 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:04:50pm

I can see Uranus!

93 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:05:20pm

re: #87 ploome hineni

lol

have you seen the stove she has in her kitchen?

the big one on the bottom left

Those are so awesome and extremely expensive. Also, not very reliable, seem to have a lot of service issues.

94 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:05:35pm

re: #92 Racer X

I can see Uranus!

If you have Klingon problem, please keep it to yourself.

95 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:06:15pm

re: #26 Occasional Reader

No, but it is one of your better ones!

96 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:07:24pm

re: #92 Racer X

I can see Uranus!

/stop tailgating

97 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:07:51pm

Beautiful photo! And thanks to the commenter who posted the link to the site showing where to look for the comet. I believe I can round up a pair of binoculars here somewhere, and, hopefully, watch the "show" from my little corner of the world.
Not to stir anything up, but... Since the speed of light has been determined, and we can tell, with considerable accuracy, how long the light from certain stars traveled before it became visible to us... How in the world can people still claim that the Universe is a mere 6000 years old? I am sorry, but it is absurd. Once again, apologies for bringing it up, but I am still kind of reeling from the post with the interview with that Young-Earther "scientist". What a crazy woman that was!

98 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:08:09pm
99 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:08:22pm
These organic molecules have been illuminated by the Trapezium’s stars, and are shown in the composite as wisps of red and orange. On Earth, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are found on burnt toast and in automobile exhaust.

There! That settles it. If there is burnt toast and automobile exhaust in those clouds, there must have been a toaster and an automobile. There is no caused thing without a cause!

/creationist

100 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:09:01pm

Purty!

101 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:09:09pm
On Earth, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are found on burnt toast and in automobile exhaust.

Nominated for a rotating title!

102 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:10:11pm

re: #96 Killian Bundy

/stop tailgating

CACKLE! SNORT! Great.... My computer keyboard is bathed in mango-flavored Finlandia vodka.

103 rightymouse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:11:28pm

re: #93 Russkilitlover

Those are so awesome and extremely expensive. Also, not very reliable, seem to have a lot of service issues.

That's too bad because they look wonderful!

104 Rancher  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:11:57pm

re: #86 taxfreekiller

Dennis Lery saw it first.

Timothy Leary saw it first.

105 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:12:41pm

re: #103 rightymouse

That's too bad because they look wonderful!

I agree, but the best food I get is when Mr Fisted cooks on fire. And that is all. Just a fire.

106 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:12:47pm

re: #97 Natasha

Beautiful photo! And thanks to the commenter who posted the link to the site showing where to look for the comet. I believe I can round up a pair of binoculars here somewhere, and, hopefully, watch the "show" from my little corner of the world.
Not to stir anything up, but... Since the speed of light has been determined, and we can tell, with considerable accuracy, how long the light from certain stars traveled before it became visible to us... How in the world can people still claim that the Universe is a mere 6000 years old? I am sorry, but it is absurd. Once again, apologies for bringing it up, but I am still kind of reeling from the post with the interview with that Young-Earther "scientist". What a crazy woman that was!

Of course, she's not in any clinical sense insane. She's quite functional. Beliefs, however out of whack with the facts, are "sane" if they get you ahead in the world. In a community of believers in flying toasters (see my previous post), a deep-seated belief in the winged toaster of aromatic hydrocarbon destiny is sane, because it serves to cement the bonds of loyalty with the other believers.

Since belief in flying toasters does not impair working knowledge (e.g. don't stick a knife into a plugged in toaster), it is consistent with sanity. The lady is bright, honest to a fault, and she's found both a job and a family life. She's sane.

107 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:13:51pm

I vote we turn the Hubble around and point it at D.C. to keep an one on the washington scum when they fill out there taxes.

108 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:14:16pm

Huckabee give stimulus a name....

Congressional Recovery Action Plan

109 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:14:49pm

re: #107 screaming_eagle

I vote we turn the Hubble around and point it at D.C. to keep an one on the washington scum when they fill out there taxes.

Why?

They don't do taxes.........

110 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:15:18pm

You sure this isn't from Starbuck's cabin on the Demetrius?

111 rightymouse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:15:21pm

re: #105 Crimsonfisted

I agree, but the best food I get is when Mr Fisted cooks on fire. And that is all. Just a fire.


Yummy!

112 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:18:28pm

re: #106 lostlakehiker

I should have made a clearer statement than that. To me, it is her claims that appear crazy.

113 imtoast  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:19:13pm

Wow.

114 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:19:15pm

So good news - my daughter just got accepted to Sweet Briar. Is there a Lizard Scholarship available? If not, can I take a collection?

115 loppyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:19:42pm

re: #114 ArmyWife

So good news - my daughter just got accepted to Sweet Briar. Is there a Lizard Scholarship available? If not, can I take a collection?

Congratulations!

116 Bobblehead  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:20:34pm

These photos never cease to amaze. Do you think humans will ever develop the technology necessary to travel among the stars?

117 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:20:44pm

re: #115 loppyd

Thank you. She is thrilled. I'm happy, too. I just now have to pay for it!

118 opnion  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:21:05pm

I am a little confused, McCain is publicly agreeing with Obama's timeline plan to get out of Iraq. This is the same McCain who distorted Romney's position to make it look like he supported timelines & then hammered him for it.
Is it a really good idea to broadcast to the enemy when you are leaving?

119 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:21:06pm

re: #116 Bobblehead

Yes.

120 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:21:12pm

re: #109 jcm

I have decided to send in my 1040 with a big X through it and a resume' for a cabinet postion.

121 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:21:44pm

re: #114 ArmyWife

So good news - my daughter just got accepted to Sweet Briar. Is there a Lizard Scholarship available? If not, can I take a collection?

So, what is Sweet Briar?

122 Bobblehead  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:21:57pm

re: #119 Crimsonfisted

Yes.

Oh to be alive when they do. Sigh.

123 loppyd  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:22:57pm

re: #117 ArmyWife

Thank you. She is thrilled. I'm happy, too. I just now have to pay for it!

You'll figure it out...there are a lot of options out there.

124 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:23:10pm

re: #118 opnion

no.

125 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:23:23pm

re: #116 Bobblehead

These photos never cease to amaze. Do you think humans will ever develop the technology necessary to travel among the stars?

They have Hollywood tours most every day.
/

126 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:23:42pm

re: #120 screaming_eagle

I have decided to send in my 1040 with a big X through it and a resume' for a cabinet postion.

The problem with tax protests is if too few take part, they go to jail. And if many join in, the leaders go to jail.

Tax reform comes when we run them out of DC in '10 with covered in tar and feathers.

127 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:23:46pm

re: #121 Soona'

A college.

[Link: www.about.sbc.edu...]

128 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:24:18pm

re: #116 Bobblehead

These photos never cease to amaze. Do you think humans will ever develop the technology necessary to travel among the stars?

My main worry is getting out there .. finding an intelligent alien life form .. and having a Democrat to represent him in the Senate.

129 Bobblehead  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:24:32pm

re: #125 Soona'

They have Hollywood tours most every day.
/

Left myself open for that. LOL

130 Clemente  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:25:06pm

re: #109 jcm

Why?

They don't do taxes.........

Got my refund back. They shoulda just made the check out to "Sucka!"

131 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:25:14pm

re: #126 jcm

The problem with tax protests is if too few take part, they go to jail. And if many join in, the leaders go to jail.

Tax reform comes when we run them out of DC in '10 with covered in tar and feathers.


Fire the bums! The problem is, too many people forget that these DC schmucks are working for us, not the other way around. These DC schmucks are servants, not rulers.

132 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:25:53pm

re: #131 Natasha

Why shouldn't they forget it? We keep re-electing them!

133 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:26:28pm

re: #120 screaming_eagle

I have decided to send in my 1040 with a big X through it and a resume' for a cabinet postion.

That would be a great idea. Everyone pick up several 1040's at the post office, x them through, make a very dumb sounding resume' and send it to the WH.

134 Kragarghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:27:10pm

re: #130 Clemente

Got my refund back. They shoulda just made the check out to "Sucka!"

Refund? What? Aren't you a patriot?

/Biden

135 rightymouse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:27:19pm

re: #128 Buster Bunny

My main worry is getting out there .. finding an intelligent alien life form .. and having a Democrat to represent him in the Senate.

Would lend a whole new meaning perhaps to the 'Green' movement.

136 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:27:27pm

Hard to believe they were almost going to abandon the Hubble Space Telescope. Thank goodness they decided to repair it and the fruits of that decision are shown in this image.

NASA remains one of the best example of government investment for the benefit of mankind.

137 Yashmak  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:27:39pm

I'm proud to say that my company provides components for the shuttle STS missions, helping to prolong the telescope's life, so that we can continue to see these fantastic views of the reaches of our galaxy (and the distant past!).

I have no doubt that we'll leave our solar system one day. The foundations for all the technologies we'll need have already been laid. All we need is the societal will to get there, a century or two,. . .and a budget larger than a paltry $18.7 billion for NASA wouldn't hurt either. :)

138 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:28:01pm

re: #126 jcm

The problem with tax protests is if too few take part, they go to jail. And if many join in, the leaders go to jail.

Tax reform comes when we run them out of DC in '10 with covered in tar and feathers.

One can still do their taxes. 1040's can be picked up at tax stands at the post office.

139 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:28:03pm

re: #116 Bobblehead

These photos never cease to amaze. Do you think humans will ever develop the technology necessary to travel among the stars?

Fundamental problems. Time / space constraints, either FTL or multi-generational ships. And energy, (E=MV2) the amount of energy required to get even an Apollo size ship those distances is staggering, and as you add fuel, the energy required goes up.

Not to say it can't or won't be done, just some the problems will require significant break throughs.

140 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:28:57pm

OT, but my goodness, Mark Levin is on fire right now.

141 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:28:58pm

re: #131 Natasha

Fire the bums! The problem is, too many people forget that these DC schmucks are working for us, not the other way around. These DC schmucks are servants, not rulers.

When they have a ~95%+ re-election rate they lose sight of who they work for. We have met the neemy and he is us......

142 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:29:14pm

re: #128 Buster Bunny

My main worry is getting out there .. finding an intelligent alien life form .. and having a Democrat to represent him in the Senate.

We discover life on Mars and it is Keith Oberdork's lost brother..

Ahhhhhhhhhh

143 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:29:28pm

re: #141 LGoPs

When they have a ~95%+ re-election rate they lose sight of who they work for. We have met the neemy and he is us......

Enemy.....not neemy.....sheesh

144 opnion  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:29:47pm

re: #128 Buster Bunny

My main worry is getting out there .. finding an intelligent alien life form .. and having a Democrat to represent him in the Senate.

Space Aliens would just come here for a better life & to bet sub prime mortgages. Hey to complain would just be anti green people.

145 pink freud  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:29:56pm

re: #143 LGoPs

I like neemy.

146 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:30:10pm

Breathtakingly beautiful, thanks for posting this Charles. It lifted my spirits after a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day.

*Judith Viorst

147 Kragarghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:30:26pm

re: #139 jcm

Fundamental problems. Time / space constraints, either FTL or multi-generational ships. And energy, (E=MV2) the amount of energy required to get even an Apollo size ship those distances is staggering, and as you add fuel, the energy required goes up.

Not to say it can't or won't be done, just some the problems will require significant break throughs.

I'm of the opinion multi-generational ships are the way to go. Hollow out asteroids from the Belt and use those as the genesis.

148 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:30:53pm

re: #141 LGoPs

When they have a ~95%+ re-election rate they lose sight of who they work for. We have met the neemy and he is us......

Throw the Bastards Out movements fail consistently. Everyone counts on everyone else to throw their bastard out, 'cause my local bastard is okay and did bring home a library / bridge / or highway.

149 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:30:56pm

re: #116 Bobblehead

These photos never cease to amaze. Do you think humans will ever develop the technology necessary to travel among the stars?

Some are working on it

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

150 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:31:16pm

re: #132 ArmyWife

Why shouldn't they forget it? We keep re-electing them!

Well, the majority does. The rest of us keep having to hold our noses and vote for "lesser evil", or just stand by. Not really our fault, but it is alarming that those who really have something good to offer tend to shy away from elected government positions.

151 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:31:29pm

re: #143 LGoPs

Enemy.....not neemy.....sheesh

I guess I should tear up my neemy list, then. Damn!
/

152 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:32:13pm

re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm of the opinion multi-generational ships are the way to go. Hollow out asteroids from the Belt and use those as the genesis.

I elect everyone inside the Beltway to go on the first mission (OR can stay).

153 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:32:39pm

re: #148 jcm

Throw the Bastards Out movements fail consistently. Everyone counts on everyone else to throw their bastard out, 'cause my local bastard is okay and did bring home a library / bridge / or highway.

You're absolutely right. I honestly don't know any other solution although your previous suggestion about tarring and feathering has a great appeal. And then running them out of town on a rail.........

154 Kragarghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:33:00pm

re: #152 jcm

I elect everyone inside the Beltway to go on the first mission (OR can stay).

Too much dead weight

155 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:34:12pm

re: #150 Natasha

Well, the majority does. The rest of us keep having to hold our noses and vote for "lesser evil", or just stand by. Not really our fault, but it is alarming that those who really have something good to offer tend to shy away from elected government positions.

With the enema's that people have to take in order to run for a national office, who can blame them.

156 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:34:14pm

re: #118 opnion

I am a little confused, McCain is publicly agreeing with Obama's timeline plan to get out of Iraq. This is the same McCain who distorted Romney's position to make it look like he supported timelines & then hammered him for it.
Is it a really good idea to broadcast to the enemy when you are leaving?

Seems like McCain is searching for relevancy. It also seems like he reallyreallyreally wants some sort of posting in BHO's Admin.

157 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:34:21pm

re: #153 LGoPs

You're absolutely right. I honestly don't know any other solution although your previous suggestion about tarring and feathering has a great appeal. And then running them out of town on a rail.........

We need to bring back the old tradation of stocks and set them up on the Capital steps.

158 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:34:24pm

re: #144 opnion

Space Aliens would just come here for a better life & to bet sub prime mortgages. Hey to complain would just be anti green people.

My hope is that aliens can tell the difference between 'intelligent life' and Democrats.

159 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:35:53pm

re: #151 Soona'

I guess I should tear up my neemy list, then. Damn!
/

Oh no! I did not want to appear rude, and ignored the actually funny and cute typo. I love that one! I am in Officer Leader Course, part III, and next time I do a mission order briefing I am going to say: "Here's the neemy situation...." LOL..

160 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:36:27pm

re: #153 LGoPs

You're absolutely right. I honestly don't know any other solution although your previous suggestion about tarring and feathering has a great appeal. And then running them out of town on a rail.........

The Gingrich model. Pick an issue. Nationalize it. Everyone runs on the same page.

Steele needs to take it a step farther. Incumbents (R)s need to buy in or they will be opposed by the RNC, not funded and primary opponents will be supported. Then with a fresh slate of candidates run on a simple nationalized platform against Porkzilla.

IMHO, we could take both the houses in '10.

But it needs to start NOW! And be abundantly clear what's going on.

161 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:36:31pm

re: #148 jcm

Throw the Bastards Out movements fail consistently. Everyone counts on everyone else to throw their bastard out, 'cause my local bastard is okay and did bring home a library / bridge / or highway.

There is something inherently flawed in our system in that politicians have a perverse incentive to spend other people's (defined as our) money and by doing so increasing their chances of being re-elected.
We should have a law that forbids a politician from voting for goodies that benefit his own constituents and by definition himself.
Of course if we did, then they'd just all make back room deals with each other to vote for each other's projects..........

162 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:36:54pm

re: #157 screaming_eagle

We need to bring back the old tradation of stocks and set them up on the Capital steps.

They'd just get burned to the ground like all the other stocks.

163 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:37:38pm

re: #159 Natasha

Oh no! I did not want to appear rude, and ignored the actually funny and cute typo. I love that one! I am in Officer Leader Course, part III, and next time I do a mission order briefing I am going to say: "Here's the neemy situation...." LOL..

that's really funny! good one

164 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:37:42pm

re: #143 LGoPs

Enemy.....not neemy.....sheesh

Obama is a neemy of the People.

I like it. It makes fun of him and identifies him all at once!

165 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:38:46pm

Bussard's dead now, but his dreams will live on.

166 doppelganglander  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:38:55pm

What a gorgeous image. I have had the Crab Nebula as my wallpaper for several years. It may be time to put this up instead.

167 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:39:12pm

re: #164 jcm

Obama is a neemy of the People.

I like it. It makes fun of him and identifies him all at once!

We should start a crudase to get that term accepted......

168 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:39:18pm

re: #162 Soona'

They'd just get burned to the ground like all the other stocks.

Would Barne Fwank still be in his?

169 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:40:35pm

re: #156 Russkilitlover

He wants to be the token Republican. He'd be perfect, considering he is a Democrat.

170 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:40:46pm

re: #167 LGoPs

We should start a crudase to get that term accepted......

We need to do it first, so that we don't get pwned.

Out with Obama Neemy the First, and take the First Lady Neemy with you!

171 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:41:06pm

re: #167 LGoPs

We should start a crudase to get that term accepted......

And hire a French Taunter to hang out on the White House fence!

172 doppelganglander  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:41:12pm

re: #114 ArmyWife

So good news - my daughter just got accepted to Sweet Briar. Is there a Lizard Scholarship available? If not, can I take a collection?

Fantastic! Hopefully, you're poor enough to qualify for some financial aid. I hate to wish poverty on you, but you know what I mean. I'm halfway hoping for a lousy year so my daughter will get a better aid package in 2010.

173 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:42:42pm

re: #159 Natasha

Oh no! I did not want to appear rude, and ignored the actually funny and cute typo. I love that one! I am in Officer Leader Course, part III, and next time I do a mission order briefing I am going to say: "Here's the neemy situation...." LOL..

The when you get to Paragraph 2 you can brief the Fwendly Situation.....
:)

174 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:43:34pm

re: #173 LGoPs

The when you get to Paragraph 2 you can brief the Fwendly Situation.....
:)

Jeez, I've lost the ability to type coherently.

The should be Then.......

175 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:43:34pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops

that's really funny! good one

I wish I could claim the actual typo as mine. I just saw it and ran with it. The good CPT who is our instructor is gonna have some lulz with this one appearing on my orders. Good for me, he has a sense of humor.

176 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:44:46pm

re: #173 LGoPs

The when you get to Paragraph 2 you can brief the Fwendly Situation.....
:)

I meant subparagraph b. You're already in Paragraph 1........Situation.
I'm getting old......

177 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:44:55pm

re: #172 doppelganglander

My father just got off the phone with me and reminded me that I'm not going to qualify for need based aid, which was really helpful. I'm hoping that because the tuition is so high, and its a private school, that I will appear needy in comparison to the other parent's income.

178 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:45:07pm

re: #175 Natasha

I wish I could claim the actual typo as mine. I just saw it and ran with it. The good CPT who is our instructor is gonna have some lulz with this one appearing on my orders. Good for me, he has a sense of humor.

You must be military..Kind regards..
We have a son in the 3/5 Marines..

179 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:45:09pm

re: #174 LGoPs

Jeez, I've lost the ability to type coherently.

The should be Then.......

OMG.... LOL.... OK, more vodka just got snorted up... Ouch! You guys are killin' me, with your puns and your humor! In a good way.

180 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:45:30pm

re: #140 rawmuse

OT, but my goodness, Mark Levin is on fire right now.

What's he saying? ......or is he really on fire?

181 Twenglish  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:46:32pm

B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L .....

182 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:46:52pm

re: #161 LGoPs

Term limits would generally solve this, but it has to be ratified as an amendment to the constitution since the Supreme Court struck down Term Limits, inc. There's the rub. How do you ask someone to give up power?

183 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:47:20pm

re: #178 HoosierHoops

You must be military..Kind regards..
We have a son in the 3/5 Marines..

I am an Army National Guard Officer, going through some professional training as an Engineer, in Ft. Lost in The Woods. Having a grand old time, blowing stuff up, running missons, freezing my bum off, and being a clueless 2 LT, who will not be clueless when done.

184 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:47:28pm

re: #180 Russkilitlover

What's he saying? ......or is he really on fire?

Basically that Americans are going to massively reject all this socialist crap once they a) turn on the light switch and nothing happens b) drive up to the window and can't get a hamburger c) can't get gasoline at any price.

185 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:47:33pm

re: #181 Twenglish

B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L .....

B-e-a-utiful
~ Bruce Almighty

186 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:47:36pm

re: #182 ConservatismNow!

Term limits would generally solve this, but it has to be ratified as an amendment to the constitution since the Supreme Court struck down Term Limits, inc. There's the rub. How do you ask someone to give up power?

At the point of the Second Amendment? :)

187 Twenglish  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:47:48pm

Levin is calling for a revolution against Obama , thats what he's on fire about ....

The Great one is really cooking tonight ....lol

188 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:48:08pm

re: #182 ConservatismNow!

Term limits would generally solve this, but it has to be ratified as an amendment to the constitution since the Supreme Court struck down Term Limits, inc. There's the rub. How do you ask someone to give up power?

/you make them an offer that they can not refuse...

189 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:48:20pm

re: #182 ConservatismNow!

Term limits would generally solve this, but it has to be ratified as an amendment to the constitution since the Supreme Court struck down Term Limits, inc. There's the rub. How do you ask someone to give up power?

Well. I've got a few ways but they're not all that legal.
/

190 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:48:34pm

re: #186 Crimsonfisted

At the point of the Second Amendment? :)

Very true. And that part of the first amendment about freedom of assembly, eh?

191 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:49:03pm

re: #184 rawmuse

Basically that Americans are going to massively reject all this socialist crap once they a) turn on the light switch and nothing happens b) drive up to the window and can't get a hamburger c) can't get gasoline at any price.

and have to crap outside in a latrine.

192 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:49:20pm

Veee heff veeyz of mekking yuuu give up zeee powerrrr! Muahahahahahahaha!
/Yeah, I wish!

193 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:50:32pm

re: #184 rawmuse

Basically that Americans are going to massively reject all this socialist crap once they a) turn on the light switch and nothing happens b) drive up to the window and can't get a hamburger c) can't get gasoline at any price.

Not until then, huh? I'm hoping it's MUCH sooner than that!

194 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:50:44pm

re: #191 nyc redneck

and have to crap outside in a latrine.

...and be arrested for farting in public.

195 gmsc  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:50:47pm

OT: Flushing Financial Corp., of Lake Success, gets $70 million from TARP.

That says it all, doesn't it?

"What do you think of Flushing, New York?"
"I think it's a good idea."

"I used to be a journalist in Flushing. I wrote for the toilet paper."

196 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:50:53pm

re: #191 nyc redneck

and have to crap outside in a latrine.

OMG... Even in 1990s, a lot of Russians had to crap in outside latrines. The leftovers of wonderful communism we are now starting to have shoved down our throats.

197 snowcrash  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:51:29pm

re: #191 nyc redneck
And use the eco friendly toilet paper that feels like paperbags.

198 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:51:58pm

re: #197 snowcrash

And use the eco friendly toilet paper that feels like paperbags.

And only single-ply, and one square per visit to the loo.

199 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:52:16pm

re: #193 Russkilitlover

Not until then, huh? I'm hoping it's MUCH sooner than that!

the bad news is no, not till then, the good news is that then is much closer than you think.

200 doppelganglander  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:53:25pm

re: #177 ArmyWife

My father just got off the phone with me and reminded me that I'm not going to qualify for need based aid, which was really helpful. I'm hoping that because the tuition is so high, and its a private school, that I will appear needy in comparison to the other parent's income.

Apparently that's true. It's all about the cost of attendance vs. expected family contribution. If this is your first time around, you might think about attending a FAFSA seminar. Lots of high schools sponsor them. Otherwise, just make sure it's not sponsored by some rip-off outfit that claims they can find "hidden" scholarships for a mere $900 or whatever. Also, a lot of schools offer merit-based aid. That's how my older daughter was able to attend a nice private college for an amount we could (barely) afford.

201 Empire1  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:53:41pm

re: #158 Buster Bunny

My hope is that aliens can tell the difference between 'intelligent life' and Democrats.

Hmm, interesting survey. Given the option, how many of you would head for another -- obviously, habitable! -- planet?

I'm first!

202 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:53:58pm

re: #183 Natasha

I am an Army National Guard Officer, going through some professional training as an Engineer, in Ft. Lost in The Woods. Having a grand old time, blowing stuff up, running missons, freezing my bum off, and being a clueless 2 LT, who will not be clueless when done.

*Salutes*
We are proud of you...
I was never in the military.. But having a son in the Marines has been an eye opener.. Jeez after basic in San Diego he became a man...He had kind of some immature troubling issues in high school..Long story short..the consensus was maybe joining the marines might be a good out for you boy.
He spent 7 months in Iraq..Married his high school sweetheart and has a baby on the way..I am very very proud of him

203 Twenglish  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:54:30pm

re: #5 Kosh's Shadow

Talkin about the finger of God ?
Well , Have you seen the eye of God yet ?

It's the Helix nebula in the constelation of Aquarius , and it looks like a real eye ...

Heres the link : [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

204 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:55:50pm

re: #199 brookly red

the bad news is no, not till then, the good news is that then is much closer than you think.

Next week?

205 Rancher  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:56:20pm

Revolutions start small and snowball.

In about three hours from the time we went on board, we had thus broken and thrown overboard every tea chest to be found in the ship, while those in the other ships were disposing of the tea in the same way, at the same time. We were surrounded by British armed ships, but no attempt was made to resist us.
206 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:56:36pm

re: #183 Natasha

I am an Army National Guard Officer, going through some professional training as an Engineer, in Ft. Lost in The Woods. Having a grand old time, blowing stuff up, running missons, freezing my bum off, and being a clueless 2 LT, who will not be clueless when done.

Good for you! But get used to hearing "That's a nice medal, ma'am." Us Iraq vets used to rag on our new butter bar at my final Marine Corps Ball.

207 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:57:33pm

re: #177 ArmyWife

My father just got off the phone with me and reminded me that I'm not going to qualify for need based aid, which was really helpful. I'm hoping that because the tuition is so high, and its a private school, that I will appear needy in comparison to the other parent's income.

There's NEVER been a girl who couldn't go to Sweet Briar because she couldn't afford it. Fill out and file the forms--they'll make it happen with aid, on-campus jobs, and loans. They DO have merit scholarships--I was one of the ten Sweet Briar Scholars in my class, and there are other awards.

208 Twenglish  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:57:54pm

re: #201 Empire1

to me thats the same as "conservative life and moonbats"

lol

209 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:58:14pm

re: #205 Rancher

Revolutions start small and snowball.

Rancher..We are on a different schedule..always nice seeing you

210 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:58:19pm

In for just a minute, then I've gotta go ...

Does anyone know of a web site which has a map, or something, which shows where things like this ARE inside the galaxy?

Does anything like that even exist yet?

211 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:58:32pm

re: #204 screaming_eagle

Next week?

/mmmm, I am kinda booked up till the 15th... is the 15th good for you?

212 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:59:04pm

socialism is not going to look so good to a lot of spoiled leftist loons who put O on a pedestal.
people are going to get frustrated not getting what they want, when they want it.
O doesn't understand that.
socialism in conversation is nice at a cocktail party but when the actual hurting starts these losers are going to want their easy lives back.

213 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:59:14pm

re: #164 jcm

Obama is a neemy of the People.

I like it. It makes fun of him and identifies him all at once!

How 'bout Obama is the Enema of the People.

(Stole the thought from Soona')

214 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:59:27pm

We are eating Lamb Chops tonight.

/don't tell Shari

215 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:59:29pm

re: #210 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Latest version of Google Earth has something like that, although I have no experience with it. I did fool around with the under sea bit.

216 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 3:59:45pm

re: #210 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In for just a minute, then I've gotta go ...

Does anyone know of a web site which has a map, or something, which shows where things like this ARE inside the galaxy?

Does anything like that even exist yet?

Google has a great program for space...Google it

217 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:00:17pm

re: #213 LGoPs

How 'bout Obama is the Enema of the People.

(Stole the thought from Soona')

Are you being a stool pidgeon ... on yourself?

218 Empire1  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:00:29pm

re: #208 Twenglish

to me thats the same as "conservative life and moonbats"

lol

Uh, that wasn't me -- I'm the one doing the informal survey of who'd want to move to another planet, given the chance.

219 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:00:59pm

re: #215 rawmuse

re: #216 HoosierHoops

Thanks, I'll make a note of that and check it out.

220 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:01:38pm

re: #202 HoosierHoops

*Salutes*
We are proud of you...
I was never in the military.. But having a son in the Marines has been an eye opener.. Jeez after basic in San Diego he became a man...He had kind of some immature troubling issues in high school..Long story short..the consensus was maybe joining the marines might be a good out for you boy.
He spent 7 months in Iraq..Married his high school sweetheart and has a baby on the way..I am very very proud of him

As you should be. Prayers for his continued safety.
:)

221 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:01:53pm

re: #219 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #216 HoosierHoops

Thanks, I'll make a note of that and check it out.

Have a great friday evening boomer
regards

222 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:02:32pm

re: #221 HoosierHoops

Have a great friday evening boomer
regards

Thanks, you too.
Shutting down and running out the door in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

223 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:02:59pm

re: #206 ConservatismNow!

Good for you! But get used to hearing "That's a nice medal, ma'am." Us Iraq vets used to rag on our new butter bar at my final Marine Corps Ball.

's OK... I am pretty much prepared for being picked on as a butter-bar. I have a heck of a sense of humor, and I am not totally clueless. I also treat the NCOs well, and have tremendous respect for them. That helps a whole lot. Besides, looks like my unit at home gets a lot of deployment time, and it is only a matter of "when", not "if" for me to go where the action is. I expect being picked on as a n00b, and it's all good.

224 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:03:03pm

Anyone play around on nationstates.net?

225 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:04:28pm

re: #218 Empire1

Uh, that wasn't me -- I'm the one doing the informal survey of who'd want to move to another planet, given the chance.

I'd do it if the only reason was to procreate with as many and varied female partners as possible. (To have a population with a solid genetic base, of course.)

226 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:04:57pm

re: #202 HoosierHoops

awwww! The military has a way of doing that to you. When I was in Vermont, we stopped in to see a high school buddy of my husbands - they enlisted together, though the buddy got out in 4 years. They had this video of them in the Barracks in Germany right after boot camp. They looked so young! That would have been 1990.

227 doppelganglander  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:05:22pm

re: #207 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess, can I ask you to put my sister on the prayer list? She's fighting breast cancer and not doing so well. She had surgery this week to relieve fluid build-up, but she appears to have permanent nerve damage affecting her left arm (she's left-handed). Thanks a bunch.

228 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:05:25pm

re: #222 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks, you too.
Shutting down and running out the door in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

Me too soon..We are clubbing and dancing tonight in a couple of hours.
We are going out with several other couples and it will be fun.

229 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:05:31pm

re: #183 Natasha

I am an Army National Guard Officer, going through some professional training as an Engineer, in Ft. Lost in The Woods. Having a grand old time, blowing stuff up, running missons, freezing my bum off, and being a clueless 2 LT, who will not be clueless when done.

Essayons!

OBC? I did mine at Belvoir (back before the Generals and Admirals in the beltway took over the post - we Engineers made it too nice of a place to live).

230 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:05:38pm

re: #223 Natasha

's OK... I am pretty much prepared for being picked on as a butter-bar. I have a heck of a sense of humor, and I am not totally clueless. I also treat the NCOs well, and have tremendous respect for them. That helps a whole lot. Besides, looks like my unit at home gets a lot of deployment time, and it is only a matter of "when", not "if" for me to go where the action is. I expect being picked on as a n00b, and it's all good.

That's a good attitiude you have there and will will serve you well, as well as your soldiers.
When I was a brand new 2LT I kept reminding myself that I barely knew how to salute and that the aggregate experience of my NCO's dwarfed anything I had. And that I'd be a fool not to listen to them. I made the decisions but I sought their counsel.......
Good luck to you.

231 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:05:57pm

Hoosier Hoops! My thoughts go out to your son. He is kicking ass. And thanks to him for it. Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force can pick on each other all day, but at the end of the day, EVERYONE works to get the job done.

232 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:06:34pm

re: #212 nyc redneck

socialism is not going to look so good to a lot of spoiled leftist loons who put O on a pedestal.
people are going to get frustrated not getting what they want, when they want it.
O doesn't understand that.
socialism in conversation is nice at a cocktail party but when the actual hurting starts these losers are going to want their easy lives back.

those of whom you speak are inconsequential, it is those that have been working hard, & now find out that it was for nothing, or worse yet, for others that will be the problem for O.

233 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:06:49pm

re: #207 goddessoftheclassroom

Thank you! For a lot. You have mail, if you didn't see it all ready. She is so excited!

234 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:07:05pm

re: #227 doppelganglander

Goddess, can I ask you to put my sister on the prayer list? She's fighting breast cancer and not doing so well. She had surgery this week to relieve fluid build-up, but she appears to have permanent nerve damage affecting her left arm (she's left-handed). Thanks a bunch.

{doppelganglander}
Done. I'm praying for her--and you--right now.

235 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:07:13pm

re: #225 Soona'

I'd do it if the only reason was to procreate with as many and varied female partners as possible. (To have a population with a solid genetic base, of course.)

Cap'n Kirk is that you?

236 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:07:40pm

re: #230 LGoPs

That's a good attitiude you have there and will will serve you well, as well as your soldiers.
When I was a brand new 2LT I kept reminding myself that I barely knew how to salute and that the aggregate experience of my NCO's dwarfed anything I had. And that I'd be a fool not to listen to them. I made the decisions but I sought their counsel.......
Good luck to you.

Good advice.

237 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:08:22pm

re: #233 ArmyWife

Thank you! For a lot. You have mail, if you didn't see it all ready. She is so excited!

I did see it, and I've answered, There is no prouder Lizard than I right now--well, maybe except for you!

238 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:08:53pm

re: #237 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey did you ever get my e-mail?

239 doppelganglander  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:09:33pm

re: #234 goddessoftheclassroom

{doppelganglander}
Done. I'm praying for her--and you--right now.

You're the best.

240 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:09:50pm

re: #212 nyc redneck

socialism is not going to look so good to a lot of spoiled leftist loons who put O on a pedestal.
people are going to get frustrated not getting what they want, when they want it.
O doesn't understand that.
socialism in conversation is nice at a cocktail party but when the actual hurting starts these losers are going to want their easy lives back.

I think a lot of them will be the new apparatchiks and commisars. That will be their reward. And many of the others, who see no personal result, will take comfort in the downfall and hurt of others. Bitter resentment and envy drives much of the left and they will be satisfied with that.
They are truly hateful people.

241 HypnoToad  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:10:10pm

Photos like this one are beautiful, but there is nothing like looking at the real thing through a good sized telescope under a dark sky. Even better is using one that you ground and polished yourself, that really connects you with the universe. BTW, this year is the 400th anniversary of the first astronomical telescope used by Galileo. I'll be doing a lot of public starparties this year!

242 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:10:21pm

re: #229 karmic_inquisitor

Essayons!

OBC? I did mine at Belvoir (back before the Generals and Admirals in the beltway took over the post - we Engineers made it too nice of a place to live).



Essayons
! When everyone else failed, let us try, I bet we can get the $#1t done! I am at Ft. Lost in the Woods, and while people love to bitch about it, I actually like it here. Sure, we got MPs and Chems (is OK, my several "bros" from OCS are Chem and MP), but we all know who the real king of the playground is!

243 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:10:52pm

re: #230 LGoPs

Said same butter bar had a HILARIOUS way of commanding. Half our platoon of roughly 30 guys was full of Iraq vets, the other half, new guys. Basically the 3 sergeants ran everything. When our lieutenant was asked what his leadership style was, he said "I let em do whatever the hell the want." Still cracks me up to this day. I mean, when you have THAT much experience in a platoon, plus a staff NCO who's been on 2 tours and multiple floats, you don't have much to do except make an appearance every now and then.

244 BigAl  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:10:56pm

Despite the unimaginable distance in miles, the photo we are looking at is 1500 years old. Somebody help me. What was going on in 509 AD?

245 Empire1  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:11:07pm

re: #225 Soona'

I'd do it if the only reason was to procreate with as many and varied female partners as possible. (To have a population with a solid genetic base, of course.)

With a whole new world to explore? ::sigh:: You must be young enough to still be testosterone-controlled. No sense of adventure.

246 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:11:23pm

re: #240 LGoPs

I think a lot of them will be the new apparatchiks and commisars. That will be their reward. And many of the others, who see no personal result, will take comfort in the downfall and hurt of others. Bitter resentment and envy drives much of the left and they will be satisfied with that.
They are truly hateful people.

I agree, that's how it went in the Soviet Union. Everyone else is just enslaved.

247 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:11:45pm

re: #238 Macker

Hey did you ever get my e-mail?

Macker, I am SO sorry--I swear I wrote a reply, but it seems I didn't hit "send." Yes, I did, and I'm replying now.

248 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:12:56pm

re: #244 BigAl

Despite the unimaginable distance in miles, the photo we are looking at is 1500 years old. Somebody help me. What was going on in 509 AD?

Dark Ages were getting underway - just like now.

249 rightymouse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:13:39pm

re: #244 BigAl

Despite the unimaginable distance in miles, the photo we are looking at is 1500 years old. Somebody help me. What was going on in 509 AD?

The Visigoths were in deep doo-doo.

250 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:14:25pm

re: #244 BigAl

Despite the unimaginable distance in miles, the photo we are looking at is 1500 years old. Somebody help me. What was going on in 509 AD?


A big Volcano on the equator was building up in preparation for a massive pyroclastic explosion 24 yrs later. Debris at both poles, very cold winters followed.

251 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:14:42pm

re: #244 BigAl

Despite the unimaginable distance in miles, the photo we are looking at is 1500 years old. Somebody help me. What was going on in 509 AD?

the Lions were looking for a coach and a QB if I recall

252 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:15:46pm

re: #232 brookly red

those of whom you speak are inconsequential, it is those that have been working hard, & now find out that it was for nothing, or worse yet, for others that will be the problem for O.

i think many different groups of people are going to be a problem for O.
the point i was trying to make is the group of dumb libs who have no real survival experience, they are really going to squeal and pout.
i think lots of us can get tuff and survive.

253 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:16:04pm

re: #241 HypnoToad

Photos like this one are beautiful, but there is nothing like looking at the real thing through a good sized telescope under a dark sky. Even better is using one that you ground and polished yourself, that really connects you with the universe. BTW, this year is the 400th anniversary of the first astronomical telescope used by Galileo. I'll be doing a lot of public starparties this year!

Sorry, but I'm now spoiled, and I like the color pictures only accessible via 8-meter mirrors and active optics or space telescopes and CCD sensors and lots of digital processing.

Though I suppose, a nice eight-meter mirror scope with a purely optical light path and maybe a six-inch eyepiece, would probably hold my attention for a while! But I'm afraid I'm not up to grinding one of those on my own!

254 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:16:19pm

re: #240 LGoPs

I think a lot of them will be the new apparatchiks and commisars. That will be their reward. And many of the others, who see no personal result, will take comfort in the downfall and hurt of others. Bitter resentment and envy drives much of the left and they will be satisfied with that.
They are truly hateful people.

If all of this gets too bad, I think many of the moneyed people in the country will start looking for places overseas to move. Even though so many other countries have socialist leanings, there will be someplace (like Thailand) where it's not as bad as it might get in the US. Especially if the zero starts to blatantly home in on their wealth.

255 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:16:21pm

re: #244 BigAl

Despite the unimaginable distance in miles, the photo we are looking at is 1500 years old. Somebody help me. What was going on in 509 AD?

The Chicago Cubs were still pennant-less, IIRC.....
:)

256 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:16:31pm

re: #251 albusteve

the Lions were looking for a coach and a QB if I recall

Zing! Though their O-Line problems didn't start until about 1512.

257 BigAl  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:16:56pm

re: #248 Russkilitlover

Dark Ages were getting underway - just like now.

No kidding!

258 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:17:07pm

re: #251 albusteve

the Lions were looking for eatinga coach and a QB if I recall

Fixed.

259 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:17:36pm

re: #210 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In for just a minute, then I've gotta go ...

Does anyone know of a web site which has a map, or something, which shows where things like this ARE inside the galaxy?

Does anything like that even exist yet?

Milkyway Galaxy as observed from above.

260 stevieray  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:17:47pm

Starz In Their Eyes

261 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:17:57pm

re: #243 ConservatismNow!

My husband's commander (a CPT) is always saying "umm..let me ask 1SG, hang on" As my husband has had 6 Middle East excursions, 3 of them in the Iraqi conflict, plus his Special Ops and Dustoff time, the CPT is better off with this response. ;)

262 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:18:16pm

re: #251 albusteve

the Lions were looking for a coach and a QB if I recall

Hey steve..what do you think about the free agents that signed today?

263 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:18:46pm

re: #254 Soona'

If all of this gets too bad, I think many of the moneyed people in the country will start looking for places overseas to move. Even though so many other countries have socialist leanings, there will be someplace (like Thailand) where it's not as bad as it might get in the US. Especially if the zero starts to blatantly home in on their wealth.

I have a couple of options...it's real and it's happening....my ex wife and best friend for 22 yrs just told me she was leaving the country...maybe for ever...people are pissed

264 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:19:08pm

re: #253 itellu3times

Sorry, but I'm now spoiled, and I like the color pictures only accessible via 8-meter mirrors and active optics or space telescopes and CCD sensors and lots of digital processing.

Though I suppose, a nice eight-meter mirror scope with a purely optical light path and maybe a six-inch eyepiece, would probably hold my attention for a while! But I'm afraid I'm not up to grinding one of those on my own!

I like your attitude!

265 wiffersnapper  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:19:56pm

re: #79 Crimsonfisted

Yeah I suppose. I meant Earthly rainbows being put to shame, but who cares, this pic looks awesome.

266 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:20:10pm

re: #263 albusteve

I have a couple of options...it's real and it's happening....my ex wife and best friend for 22 yrs just told me she was leaving the country...maybe for ever...people are pissed

whoa..do you have children?

267 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:20:28pm

re: #256 ConservatismNow!

Zing! Though their O-Line problems didn't start until about 1512.

somewhere in there....even in his early years Ford didnt care so much for good left tackles....

268 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:20:35pm

re: #245 Empire1

With a whole new world to explore? ::sigh:: You must be young enough to still be testosterone-controlled. No sense of adventure.

It could all be done in the back of the "ground transport and terrain exploration vehicle".

269 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:21:04pm

re: #240 LGoPs

I think a lot of them will be the new apparatchiks and commisars. That will be their reward. And many of the others, who see no personal result, will take comfort in the downfall and hurt of others. Bitter resentment and envy drives much of the left and they will be satisfied with that.
They are truly hateful people.

The things with apparatchiks and commissars is, they tend to fall out of favor with the Big Guy, then get whacked in inventive and secretive ways... Their "reward" is not going to last. All the little ankle-nibblers are going to fall all over themselves snitching on each other and effectively wiping themselves and their kind out of existence...
It is at the same time ironic and sickening to see the replay of the USSR, only with so much more to loot and destroy, here. I never loved the USSR, even though I was born and grew up there. I do love, selectively, some aspects of actual Russia (as well as Estonia)...
I have this painful, all-consuming love for "My America", the ideal I pretty much carried in my heart since my Grandfather explained to me the concept of individual liberty and that we are all BORN free, we just have to re-affirm it once we are big enough. He fought for Russia in WWII, as a bomber pilot. Trained with Americans, hung out with American Officers, picked up some great English along the way... He was really impressed by those guys... And always was in love with the concept of "America" being possible... I'd rather not get any more maudlin and long-winded. But I've seen both, USSR, and USA... Please, for the love of all that is good, do not let the USA turn into the USSR! We have too much to lose!

270 HypnoToad  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:21:25pm

re: #250 Thanos

A
big Volcano on the equator was building up in preparation for a massive
pyroclastic explosion 24 yrs later. Debris at both poles, very cold
winters followed.

Krakatoa was probably the final push that toppled the Roman empire. One estimate that I read said rocks may have been propelled to eighty miles up by the blast. Biggest blast since (or including) Thira several thousand years ago.

271 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:22:17pm

BTW - since this is a sort of open thread with a science twist, anyone interested in the George Will controversy should look at 2 things -

1) The Cryosphere Today, which is commonly referenced as the one stop shop for seeing what current Sea Ice extents are.

2) The pdf that Cryosphere Today went to the trouble of creating in order to address the claim made by Daily Tech.

From the PDF -

Observed global sea ice area, defined here as a sum of N. Hemisphere and S. Hemisphere sea ice areas, is near or slightly lower than those observed in late 1979, as noted in the Daily Tech article.

Factually, Daily Tech and George Will are not wrong. Will did not lie. There is no failure to fact check.

However, the authors at Cryosphere Today make an effort to make an important point:

One important detail about the article in the Daily Tech is that the author is comparing the GLOBAL sea ice area from December 31, 2008 to same variable for December 31, 1979. In the context of climate change, GLOBAL sea ice area may not be the most relevant indicator. Almost all global climate models project a decrease in the Northern Hemisphere sea ice area over the next several decades under increasing greenhouse gas scenarios. But, the same model responses of the Southern Hemisphere sea ice are less certain. In fact, there have been some recent studies suggesting the amount of sea ice in the Southern Hemisphere may initially increase as a response to atmospheric warming through increased evaporation and subsequent snowfall onto the sea ice.

This is an important caveat - they are saying that, while the ice levels may be nearly the same, the fact that the ice has been redistributed between the poles in non-trivial and is considered by many as supportive of global climate change.

As for Carl Zimmer, he had this information available to him at the time of his response to Will. He chose to ignore it and continue ad hominem attacks on Will and Daily Tech despite that the thrust of his prior criticism was essentially dismantled by a 3rd party - Cryosphere Today. Had Cryosphere Today come out and said "This is utterly wrong" then you certainly would have heard about it - Cryosphere Today points out that they were contacted by many in the media for such a quote, which was why they produced the PDF.

Point is, the controversy was supposed to be about arguing honestly. Zimmer et al have been clearly and indisputably dishonest in this latest round.

272 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:22:35pm

re: #263 albusteve

I have a couple of options...it's real and it's happening....my ex wife and best friend for 22 yrs just told me she was leaving the country...maybe for ever...people are pissed

Yeah, but where can you really go? My parents (and me as an infant) struggled to get here and away from the Soviets. And my parents fought before they left...God Bless them.
I don't want my country fundamentally changed...goddamn it.

273 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:23:35pm

re: #114 ArmyWife

Congratulations! I actually taught there once and loved it. Had a hard time leaving the beautiful campus everyday!

274 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:23:45pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

whoa..do you have children?

two grown...my heart is just broken....she needs to do this...she is as fed up as I am but she's a runner whereas I'll probably go down right here where I stand...my finances are just getting hammered right now and it does not bode well for me...I can live cheaper elsewhere but I'm the D Crockett type you know?

275 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:23:48pm

re: #242 Natasha


Essayons
! When everyone else failed, let us try, I bet we can get the $#1t done! I am at Ft. Lost in the Woods, and while people love to bitch about it, I actually like it here. Sure, we got MPs and Chems (is OK, my several "bros" from OCS are Chem and MP), but we all know who the real king of the playground is!

Every time they hear a boom from the pit, they will know!

Played much with C4 yet?

276 Kostya Lotz  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:23:57pm

re: #270 HypnoToad

Maybe you're thinking of Mt. Vesuvius? Krakatoa is a little bit ahead of the Roman Empire. Wrong sea also.

277 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:24:30pm

re: #241 HypnoToad

Impressive, grinding your own lenses. I know a fellow who sews his own suits, and that impressed me.

278 acwgusa  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:24:31pm

Charles, did your Kindle 2 show up yet?

279 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:24:32pm

re: #269 Natasha

Very well said.

280 Kostya Lotz  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:24:51pm

ooooo. pretty picture. likie lots!

281 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:24:55pm

re: #272 LGoPs

Me either. I want to take back my party and protect my country.

282 Gozer the Carpathian  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:24:57pm

Just a quick FYI for you guys. Spitzer will be taking fewer cool pictures here in a month or so as it runs out of super condensed nitrogen. We'll be moving the spacecraft into a "Warm" phase of the mission where I believe only one of the main instruments will be able to work with two of them too warm to work.

The coolest thing I found out about spacecraft while working here at Goldstone was how they evolve due to damage, known wear, and just plain old age. :)

283 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:25:09pm

DUI suspect couldn't have picked a worse driveway

Trooper Trevor Downey first noticed the car Tuesday going 30 mph in a 50 mph zone. As Downey approached, the driver pulled into Downey's driveway and parked in the trooper's garage.
284 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:25:16pm

re: #273 wolfie

Congratulations! I actually taught there once and loved it. Had a hard time leaving the beautiful campus everyday!

What years and what subject?

285 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:25:17pm

re: #270 HypnoToad

Krakatoa was probably the final push that toppled the Roman empire. One estimate that I read said rocks may have been propelled to eighty miles up by the blast. Biggest blast since (or including) Thira several thousand years ago.

In 509 Anastasius ruled the Byzantine empire, and the western Empire had already lost it's last Emperor in 476.

286 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:25:25pm

re: #273 wolfie

Thanks!

287 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:25:36pm

re: #276 Kostya Lotz

Maybe you're thinking of Mt. Vesuvius? Krakatoa is a little bit ahead of the Roman Empire. Wrong sea also.

No he's right ... Krakatoa has had at least two major explosions in recent history .. one in the 19th century and one in the sixth .. and if you think the 19th century one was bad .. the 6th century one was worse.

288 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:26:01pm

re: #269 Natasha

re: #279 Russkilitlover

Very well said.

Ditto

289 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:26:02pm

Very OT: I just revisited the Overnight thread-updinged a lot of posts I liked (after my last post). lifeofthemind put me at 400 Karma points-TFK put me at 401. I thank you all for the Pluses I received-and I took my down dings in consideration of what I post. However, I won't let down dings control what I post, nor updings-Charles LGF Board is too special for that. If I feel something needs said, I'll do so-but will observe Charles PROTOCLOS and hope Stinky has mercy. My apologies for going off topic, but I felt a need to vent-I've been avoiding to much news because I can no longer listen to the BH0 Crap-and have so now stated. Apologies and Kudos to the Lizard Nation; I've always loved this place. let me pull a Render....

Luv
This
Place

Pietr

290 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:26:44pm

re: #271 karmic_inquisitor

Whoa! There is a perfectly round hole in the ice at the North Pole!
Freaky!

/////////

291 Kostya Lotz  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:26:58pm

re: #285 Thanos

Hey a double eagle fan! I'm not alone!

292 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:27:23pm

re: #269 Natasha

great post

293 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:27:55pm

re: #285 Thanos

In 509 Anastasius ruled the Byzantine empire, and the western Empire had already lost it's last Emperor in 476.

I watched a History Channel show about the Dark Ages. Tragic. King Charlemagne finally pulls them half way back to civilization, just in time for the Vikings to set them back to chattel status. A thousand years of troubles.

294 Kostya Lotz  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:28:29pm

re: #293 rawmuse

pesky global warming!

295 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:28:32pm

re: #284 goddessoftheclassroom

History (European).... mid 90's

296 doppelganglander  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:28:32pm

re: #274 albusteve

two grown...my heart is just broken....she needs to do this...she is as fed up as I am but she's a runner whereas I'll probably go down right here where I stand...my finances are just getting hammered right now and it does not bode well for me...I can live cheaper elsewhere but I'm the D Crockett type you know?

Can you say where she's going?

297 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:28:55pm

re: #274 albusteve

Steve..What can I say? that is pain..
My Nic is blue..email me..You need lots of lizard friends right now..

298 HypnoToad  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:29:01pm

re: #253 itellu3times

Sorry, but I'm
now spoiled, and I like the color pictures only accessible via 8-meter
mirrors and active optics or space telescopes and CCD sensors and lots
of digital processing.

Though I suppose, a nice eight-meter
mirror scope with a purely optical light path and maybe a six-inch
eyepiece, would probably hold my attention for a while! But I'm afraid
I'm not up to grinding one of those on my own!

I've built CCd cameras for several major observatories, but I still like looking at the real photons through a scope. I've got a mil surplus eyepiece with a three inch dia field lens that I've used with an 18" scope on the Orion nebula. I can see a lot of the features seen in the posted photo above. (only faint colors)

299 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:29:01pm

re: #270 HypnoToad

Krakatoa was probably the final push that toppled the Roman empire. One estimate that I read said rocks may have been propelled to eighty miles up by the blast. Biggest blast since (or including) Thira several thousand years ago.

Wait to Yellowstone goes off!

300 Catttt  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:29:09pm

Just posting to let you all know I'm around. My cable is out. I just rolled my laptop nearer the router to get more bars.

301 BigAl  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:29:23pm

More grist for the mill>

Obama Signs Presidential Determination Allowing Palestinians Loyal to Hamas to Resettle In US

President Barack Obama has signed an executive order presidential determination allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to resettle in the United States. Sure, what can go wrong when we allow hundreds of thousands of people who have been, as Mark Steyn memorably described, "marinated" in a "sick death cult," who voted for Hamas, and 55% of whom support suicide bombings live here and at the American taxpayers' expense:

[Link: www.thefederalregister.com...]

302 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:29:40pm

re: #272 LGoPs

Yeah, but where can you really go? My parents (and me as an infant) struggled to get here and away from the Soviets. And my parents fought before they left...God Bless them.
I don't want my country fundamentally changed...goddamn it.

I have quite a bit of cash and some gold buried down in Jamaica on my land down there but I have no clue how to convert it to make it spendable...I need to find out... 1oz Krugarrands from 1974

303 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:29:48pm

re: #275 karmic_inquisitor

Every time they hear a boom from the pit, they will know!

Played much with C4 yet?

Luvz my C4. Because I scored very high on the Demolitions theory test, I was, among other high-scorers, allowed to set the actual charges up, then set them off. Loved the ever-living heck out of it! Improvised Bangalores were a hit, with the rest of the peepz... But the cratering sharges took the cake. It was raining dirt for several minutes after... And we made it so that there were two blasts on either sides of the field, almost "in stereo".... Man, was it a BLAST! (literally)
I actually preferred the one that blows a human-shaped hole through the roof, with just enough det-cord.....Just because of the precision. Ribbon charges fascinated me as well...

304 kynna  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:29:58pm

Has anyone linked this bit of Obama PR from AP, yet?

So pathetic. A Slobbering Love Affair'*, indeed.

BTW -- pretty picture. Ooooooh. Colors....

-------

*nod to Bernard Goldberg. Buy the book!

305 doppelganglander  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:30:46pm

re: #301 BigAl

More grist for the mill>

Obama Signs Presidential Determination Allowing Palestinians Loyal to Hamas to Resettle In US

President Barack Obama has signed an executive order presidential determination allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to resettle in the United States. Sure, what can go wrong when we allow hundreds of thousands of people who have been, as Mark Steyn memorably described, "marinated" in a "sick death cult," who voted for Hamas, and 55% of whom support suicide bombings live here and at the American taxpayers' expense:

[Link: www.thefederalregister.com...]

Obama is going to reap the whirlwind when one of them goes off.

306 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:30:51pm

re: #301 BigAl

More grist for the mill>

Obama Signs Presidential Determination Allowing Palestinians Loyal to Hamas to Resettle In US

President Barack Obama has signed an executive order presidential determination allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to resettle in the United States. Sure, what can go wrong when we allow hundreds of thousands of people who have been, as Mark Steyn memorably described, "marinated" in a "sick death cult," who voted for Hamas, and 55% of whom support suicide bombings live here and at the American taxpayers' expense:

[Link: www.thefederalregister.com...]

In New York City the Pali neighborhood will fire rockets at the Jewish neighborhood, just another day in the hood!

////

307 thefallingman  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:31:02pm

Truly one of God's works of art. It reminds me how small we are in the grand scheme of things.

And I can't help but wonder, what pictures will they find when they team up the Spitzer and Dupree telescopes?

308 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:31:58pm

re: #295 wolfie

History (European).... mid 90's

We just missed each other. I moved to PA in 1995. My EH was an adjunct professor in English there.

309 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:32:19pm

re: #272 LGoPs

Yeah, but where can you really go? My parents (and me as an infant) struggled to get here and away from the Soviets. And my parents fought before they left...God Bless them.
I don't want my country fundamentally changed...goddamn it.

I have enough faith,still, in the American population, that this will not be tolerated for very long. We'll get this country back one way or another. It's happened before. What we must pray for is courage to take the action that I know it will require.

310 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:32:24pm

re: #293 rawmuse

I watched a History Channel show about the Dark Ages. Tragic. King Charlemagne finally pulls them half way back to civilization, just in time for the Vikings to set them back to chattel status. A thousand years of troubles.

The irony I see is that as much as we like to think of ourselves as educated and sohpisticated, the mob can be whipped into a frenzy and mislead as easily as the crowd that wanted to burn the witch in Monty Python's Holy Grail.......
Not all of us of course, but enough to make a difference. And we're paying for that difference right now.....

311 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:32:47pm

re: #296 doppelganglander

Can you say where she's going?

she won't even tell me....she's gonna walk away from her platonic husband, a house in Rio Rancho and just split....sometime before summer....she is visiting Sweden in May but not coming back

312 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:33:07pm

re: #307 thefallingman

Truly one of God's works of art. It reminds me how small we are in the grand scheme of things.

And I can't help but wonder, what pictures will they find when they team up the Spitzer and Dupree telescopes?

Just beautiful...

313 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:33:11pm

re: #272 LGoPs

Yeah, but where can you really go? My parents (and me as an infant) struggled to get here and away from the Soviets. And my parents fought before they left...God Bless them.
I don't want my country fundamentally changed...goddamn it.

You're someone whom the Soviets at one time viewed as their subject? Where and how you got away? Just generalities, I am not prying, just trying to relate. We left the Soviet scum-hole too, but I was a kind of grown kid, by them.

314 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:33:23pm

re: #277 rawmuse

Impressive, grinding your own lenses. I know a fellow who sews his own suits, and that impressed me.

I used to drink my own drinks. :)

315 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:34:11pm

re: #303 Natasha

Luvz my C4. Because I scored very high on the Demolitions theory test, I was, among other high-scorers, allowed to set the actual charges up, then set them off. Loved the ever-living heck out of it! Improvised Bangalores were a hit, with the rest of the peepz... But the cratering sharges took the cake. It was raining dirt for several minutes after... And we made it so that there were two blasts on either sides of the field, almost "in stereo".... Man, was it a BLAST! (literally)
I actually preferred the one that blows a human-shaped hole through the roof, with just enough det-cord.....Just because of the precision. Ribbon charges fascinated me as well...

Back in the late 70's Fire Departments played with a shaped charge forcible entry tool called the Jet Axe.

It was deemed to dangerous for us nozzle heads.

:-(

316 doppelganglander  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:34:39pm

re: #311 albusteve

she won't even tell me....she's gonna walk away from her platonic husband, a house in Rio Rancho and just split....sometime before summer....she is visiting Sweden in May but not coming back

That's pretty extreme. I can understand how hard it must be for you, not to mention your kids. Even grown kids need their mom sometimes.

317 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:34:39pm

re: #314 Soona'

I used to drink my own drinks. :)

I can microwave dinner!

318 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:34:50pm

re: #311 albusteve

she won't even tell me....she's gonna walk away from her platonic husband, a house in Rio Rancho and just split....sometime before summer....she is visiting Sweden in May but not coming back

She'll be back..
I've seen it time and again with people..
/be strong

319 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:35:12pm

re: #297 HoosierHoops

Steve..What can I say? that is pain..
My Nic is blue..email me..You need lots of lizard friends right now..

thanks I'm fine....somewhat in shock tho....I am very close to this woman...she does not want anybody to know what's up or where she is and I gave her my word...

320 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:35:13pm

re: #308 goddessoftheclassroom

Small world. Wow! :)

321 thefallingman  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:35:35pm

re: #314 Soona'

I used to drink my own drinks. :)


Occasionally, I even pour my own. But then the bartenders start screaming at me.

322 KansasMom  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:35:38pm

My husband's Kindle came today!
I ordered it for him for Christmas.....it was backordered because Oprah featured it on her show. But they nicely upgraded to a Kindle 2 for the trouble. He has already downloaded the WSJ and will be playing with it for the rest of the evening.
Thanks Charles, he really likes it and I wouldn't have thought of it if I hadn't read your review.

323 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:35:47pm

Every time I see a picture of Orion it saddens me a bit, reminding me of the death of our faithful little Nipper.

324 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:36:31pm

re: #304 kynna

Has anyone linked this bit of Obama PR from AP, yet?

So pathetic. A Slobbering Love Affair'*, indeed.

BTW -- pretty picture. Ooooooh. Colors....


I keep thinking that if I were really wealthy, I would be sending my money out of the country right now. Do you suppose that is what is happening to the stock market right now?

Has anyone currently in government actually looked at how the Soviet people lived? Actually, I'm guessing that they have looked--at how the party faithful lived.

325 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:36:56pm

re: #306 jcm

In New York City the Pali neighborhood will fire rockets at the Jewish neighborhood, just another day in the hood!

////

// Ha Ha Ha, NYC is blue... the Pali's are going to red neighborhoods, did you think he was THAT stupid?

326 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:37:01pm

re: #323 Thanos

Heh.

327 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:37:06pm
Presidential Determination No. 2009-15 of January 27, 2009

Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To Gaza
Memorandum for the Secretary of State
By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the ``Act''), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.
You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.


(Presidential Sig.)

328 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:37:37pm

re: #289 Pietr

PIMF-PROTOCOLS-crap, I almost misspelled it again.....ARGGHH.....

329 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:37:52pm

re: #265 wiffersnapper

Yeah I suppose. I meant Earthly rainbows being put to shame, but who cares, this pic looks awesome.

I know, hence my :) Of course, there is always the Northern Lights, but still, nothing like this cosmic show.

330 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:38:23pm

re: #317 jcm

I can microwave dinner!

I love to try making stuff from scratch--I have quilted, sewn my children's clothes, made cheese, made mayonnaise, made paper, made soap--it' s a lot of fun.

I drew the line at chocolate, though. Making chocolate from beans is an uhnbelievable amount of work. I'll stick with buying mine.

331 Catttt  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:38:31pm

OT, in case you were not aware of this (especially if you smoke):

Beginning April 1, the per-pack federal excise tax on manufactured cigarettes will rise to $1 from 39 cents, raising retail cigarette prices about 20 percent nationwide. Part of the The State Children’s Health Insurance Program bill. This will raise prices of all cig packs, including those Indian Res smoke shops.

Expect more sin taxes - many more. And expect success taxes. President O said he wanted to share the wealth, after all. /humph

332 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:38:40pm

re: #327 Thanos

Payoff for ditching Durban II?

333 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:39:19pm

re: #322 KansasMom

I ordered Missus CN's Kindle 2 today for her birfday. Should be here in a few weeks.

334 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:39:21pm

re: #303 Natasha

Luvz my C4. Because I scored very high on the Demolitions theory test, I was, among other high-scorers, allowed to set the actual charges up, then set them off. Loved the ever-living heck out of it! Improvised Bangalores were a hit, with the rest of the peepz... But the cratering sharges took the cake. It was raining dirt for several minutes after... And we made it so that there were two blasts on either sides of the field, almost "in stereo".... Man, was it a BLAST! (literally)
I actually preferred the one that blows a human-shaped hole through the roof, with just enough det-cord.....Just because of the precision. Ribbon charges fascinated me as well...

I loved cutting I beams with ribbon charges. You tweak that little offset and get a clean cut or a good bend.

Did you get to do any improvised explosives? C4 primed fertilizer and diesel? Makes a fine "rain o' dirt" shoving charge.

335 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:39:35pm

re: #330 EmmmieG

I love to try making stuff from scratch--I have quilted, sewn my children's clothes, made cheese, made mayonnaise, made paper, made soap--it' s a lot of fun.

I drew the line at chocolate, though. Making chocolate from beans is an uhnbelievable amount of work. I'll stick with buying mine.

I have been thinking about making my own money.

336 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:39:53pm

This looks fucking awesome:

Inglourious Basterds - Official HD Trailer - Quentin Tarantino, Brad Pitt

337 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:40:00pm

re: #318 HoosierHoops

She'll be back..
I've seen it time and again with people..
/be strong

she's had it with the rampant greed drove the system under, and the emergence of BO blew her away...she is very independent and knows how to get around...as for coming back, maybe...and thanks...I only brought it up in context to some posts here

338 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:40:02pm

re: #330 EmmmieG

I love to try making stuff from scratch--I have quilted, sewn my children's clothes, made cheese, made mayonnaise, made paper, made soap--it' s a lot of fun.

I drew the line at chocolate, though. Making chocolate from beans is an uhnbelievable amount of work. I'll stick with buying mine.

In truth we do everything from scratch. Food sensitivities. So it's easier and better control over ingredients. I do most of the cooking.

339 Mirage  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:40:12pm

re: #201 Empire1

Hmm, interesting survey. Given the option, how many of you would head for another -- obviously, habitable! -- planet?

I'm first!

I'm would sign up with the assumption that the technology is sound and the risk is acceptable.

340 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:40:47pm

re: #330 EmmmieG

I love to try making stuff from scratch--I have quilted, sewn my children's clothes, made cheese, made mayonnaise, made paper, made soap--it' s a lot of fun.

I drew the line at chocolate, though. Making chocolate from beans is an uhnbelievable amount of work. I'll stick with buying mine.

I want to try to make my own mozzarella and ricotta.

341 Catttt  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:41:12pm

...but because I make under $250k, my taxes aren't going up. Liar liar pants on fire.

342 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:41:17pm

re: #325 brookly red

// Ha Ha Ha, NYC is blue... the Pali's are going to red neighborhoods, did you think he was THAT stupid?

Red Country is ARMED. I don't think the Palis can immigrate with AK's........

Too bad for them.

////////

343 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:41:37pm

re: #330 EmmmieG

Ghirardelli does it well enough anyways

344 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:41:41pm

re: #308 goddessoftheclassroom

BTW----I wish we HAD crossed paths!

345 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:42:13pm

re: #340 Crimsonfisted

I want to try to make my own mozzarella and ricotta.

Sounds fun, but a word of advice from my own go-round with cheese. They aren't kidding about not using aluminum. Really, really not kidding. It will change the taste.

346 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:42:57pm

re: #341 Catttt

...but because I make under $250k, my taxes aren't going up. Liar liar pants on fire.

They have only just begun.. .. ..

347 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:43:07pm

re: #339 Mirage

I'm would sign up with the assumption that the technology is sound and the risk is acceptable.

And that we were not meant to, ah, SERVE.

348 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:43:19pm

re: #337 albusteve

she's had it with the rampant greed drove the system under, and the emergence of BO blew her away...she is very independent and knows how to get around...as for coming back, maybe...and thanks...I only brought it up in context to some posts here

And you can always visit her..And if by then she has a bunch of swedish girlfriends what could go wrong?
/

349 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:43:44pm

We all better enjoy this sight before the One places his "viewing" taxes on all governmental produced pictures, videos etc.

350 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:43:52pm

re: #345 EmmmieG

Thanks for the tip! We haven't tried yet, but hopefully soon!

351 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:43:53pm

re: #327 Thanos

Just noticed, that's a web site that's not .gov...
real fed register is here:

[Link: www.gpoaccess.gov...]

352 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:43:58pm

re: #340 Crimsonfisted

I want to try to make my own mozzarella and ricotta.

Very easy to do and truly wonderful. Just remember that you must use whole milk, no reduced fat milk.

353 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:44:36pm

re: #331 Catttt

OT, in case you were not aware of this (especially if you smoke):

Beginning April 1, the per-pack federal excise tax on manufactured cigarettes will rise to $1 from 39 cents, raising retail cigarette prices about 20 percent nationwide. Part of the The State Children’s Health Insurance Program bill. This will raise prices of all cig packs, including those Indian Res smoke shops.

Expect more sin taxes - many more. And expect success taxes. President O said he wanted to share the wealth, after all. /humph

All this does is feed the black market, cigarettes in a store: $9. Cigarettes behind the store: $4.50. Keeping your mouth shut: priceless.

354 rain of lead  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:45:00pm

hey ya'll
wanna make a liberal's head explode?
thank them for raising their own taxes.....? huh wha...
obama is going to let the bush tax cuts expire
those were ACROSS THE BOARD rate cuts when they expire all rates go up
see this chart from the tax foundation
wow look at the rate in 1916 top rate 7%
we've come a long way baby

355 Empire1  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:45:13pm

re: #339 Mirage

I'm would sign up with the assumption that the technology is sound and the risk is acceptable.

If I'm going, and I am given half a chance, you can believe that both are true. I'm crazy, not stupid!

356 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:45:18pm

re: #315 jcm

Back in the late 70's Fire Departments played with a shaped charge forcible entry tool called the Jet Axe.

It was deemed to dangerous for us nozzle heads.

:-(

Well, an explosive tends to be set off by heat and pressure, so it may have been a concern, for fire-fighting sake, to not aggravate the destruction any more than it already happened.

357 KansasMom  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:46:15pm

re: #340 Crimsonfisted

I want to try to make my own mozzarella and ricotta.

Me too! Its supposed to be cold this weekend, maybe a good time to stay home and try it out.
We tried making our own beer once.....beer turned out nasty but we did learn how to mop the ceiling.

358 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:46:17pm

re: #348 HoosierHoops

And you can always visit her..And if by then she has a bunch of swedish girlfriends what could go wrong?
/

from Sweden she's moving on...I don't know to where...it is very sureal

359 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:46:30pm

re: #331 Catttt

OT, in case you were not aware of this (especially if you smoke):

Beginning April 1, the per-pack federal excise tax on manufactured cigarettes will rise to $1 from 39 cents, raising retail cigarette prices about 20 percent nationwide. Part of the The State Children’s Health Insurance Program bill. This will raise prices of all cig packs, including those Indian Res smoke shop. Expect more sin taxes - many more. And expect success taxes. President O said he wanted to share the wealth, after all. /humph

Guess I'll have to quit now-Texas raised it $1 a PACK almost 2 yrs ago. I'm AF retired, and the Missus just retired as a Teacher Aide-we are on a very fixed income, with MORE outgo than Income......:>((

360 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:46:48pm

re: #341 Catttt

He said "families" What is the cut off for individuals? Has he said yet?

361 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:46:49pm

Hey! If any of you guys are serious about leaving the US, can my Bolivian relatives, who are desperate to get here, take your place? :)

362 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:46:53pm

Looking at the Obama tax plan, I have one question: Why do we limit deductions on charitable giving for the wealthy? I'm not wealthy, and I think they should be able to deduct it all, as long as it is genuine charity, and not a political cause. Why shouldn't we encourage the wealthy to give their money to the poor, voluntarily, and where they choose?

/Yes, I know, it should go involuntarily, and where The One chooses.

363 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:46:57pm

Browsing the real fed register I'm not finding anything about Gaza refugees.

[Link: www.gpoaccess.gov...]

364 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:47:20pm
365 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:47:26pm

"Don't Blame Me, I Voted McCain-Palin"

(Buttons seen on two attractive college boys riding DC Metro today)

And they were two young California Catholic college students.
Onward Christian Soldiers, I wanted to sing.


PS, did anyone hear Obama speak to our troops today announcing pullout from Iraq, and not mention the words:

win
victory
democracy
surge?

What a mean assed piss ant who doesn't care about our troops' having WON a VICTORY and created a DEMOCRACY in a shitty neighborhood.

366 LynnfromNZ  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:47:45pm

Nice music choice, the Copland/Bernstein. I have Bernstein conducting Appalachian Spring, great version.

367 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:48:10pm

re: #334 karmic_inquisitor

I loved cutting I beams with ribbon charges. You tweak that little offset and get a clean cut or a good bend.

Did you get to do any improvised explosives? C4 primed fertilizer and diesel? Makes a fine "rain o' dirt" shoving charge.

They are yet to teach us about "improvements" and homemade stuff. I cannot wait, since my Grandfather already showed me most of that stuff when I was little.

368 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:48:15pm

re: #362 EmmmieG

Looking at the Obama tax plan, I have one question: Why do we limit deductions on charitable giving for the wealthy? I'm not wealthy, and I think they should be able to deduct it all, as long as it is genuine charity, and not a political cause. Why shouldn't we encourage the wealthy to give their money to the poor, voluntarily, and where they choose?

/Yes, I know, it should go involuntarily, and where The One chooses.

Heh. On the upside, though, that could have a real impact on the arts.

369 Catttt  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:48:36pm

re: #359 Pietr

Yeah - the Dems raised the per pack tax in Md. last year by a dollar - to two bucks per pack (tied for highest in the country).

370 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:49:19pm

re: #361 wolfie


Well the majority of my evening last night was a serious discussion with Mrs Viking6 as to where we should flee to. She wanted to go to New Zealand, talked her out of that or Canada, talked her out of that too. Maybe Bolivia wouldn't be to bad a choice I'll bring that up over cocktails tonight.

371 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:49:24pm

re: #364 OldLineTexan

albusteve, here's one for your best girl.

heh...thanks for that

372 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:49:35pm

re: #353 brookly red

All this does is feed the black market, cigarettes in a store: $9. Cigarettes behind the store: $4.50. Keeping your mouth shut: priceless.

BINGO! It will not raise revenue much, if any. It may actually decrease it. Consumption will go down and, as you point out, the black market will siphon off even more tax revenues.

373 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:49:59pm

re: #301 BigAl

More grist for the mill>

Obama Signs Presidential Determination Allowing Palestinians Loyal to Hamas to Resettle In US

President Barack Obama has signed an executive order presidential determination allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to resettle in the United States. Sure, what can go wrong when we allow hundreds of thousands of people who have been, as Mark Steyn memorably described, "marinated" in a "sick death cult," who voted for Hamas, and 55% of whom support suicide bombings live here and at the American taxpayers' expense:

[Link: www.thefederalregister.com...]

Er, no. This was floated here several days ago. It refers to giving the Palis assistance as "refugees", NOT about bringing them here.

374 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:50:02pm

re: #362 EmmmieG

Looking at the Obama tax plan, I have one question: Why do we limit deductions on charitable giving for the wealthy? I'm not wealthy, and I think they should be able to deduct it all, as long as it is genuine charity, and not a political cause. Why shouldn't we encourage the wealthy to give their money to the poor, voluntarily, and where they choose?

/Yes, I know, it should go involuntarily, and where The One chooses.

Like to the good folks at ACORN.
//////

375 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:50:03pm

re: #370 Viking6

Well the majority of my evening last night was a serious discussion with Mrs Viking6 as to where we should flee to. She wanted to go to New Zealand, talked her out of that or Canada, talked her out of that too. Maybe Bolivia wouldn't be to bad a choice I'll bring that up over cocktails tonight.

I dunno.....Butch and Sundance didn't find it too hospitable.

376 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:50:06pm

re: #362 EmmmieG

Looking at the Obama tax plan, I have one question: Why do we limit deductions on charitable giving for the wealthy? I'm not wealthy, and I think they should be able to deduct it all, as long as it is genuine charity, and not a political cause. Why shouldn't we encourage the wealthy to give their money to the poor, voluntarily, and where they choose?

/Yes, I know, it should go involuntarily, and where The One chooses.


Private charities have no place in socialism.

377 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:50:13pm

re: #348 HoosierHoops

And you can always visit her..And if by then she has a bunch of swedish girlfriends what could go wrong?
/

Old Benny Hill skit ... "Naked Lust in Sinful Sweden" ... a retelling of Bo Peep.

Oh no! Er raint! Vir kannot looken fur die schippen in die rainen!
Vot can ve du in die rainen?
Folde nookie?
Ja, ja!

378 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:50:16pm

re: #364 OldLineTexan

albusteve, here's one for your best girl.

Just don't make the mistake of shaking her hand if you ever meet her.

379 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:50:43pm

Speaking of music... I am listening to punk rock, and now, with the wannabe dictator in charge, it actually makes sense, yet again, like it did in Russia, and probably should do, there, still.

380 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:50:45pm

re: #370 Viking6

Well the majority of my evening last night was a serious discussion with Mrs Viking6 as to where we should flee to. She wanted to go to New Zealand, talked her out of that or Canada, talked her out of that too. Maybe Bolivia wouldn't be to bad a choice I'll bring that up over cocktails tonight.


Ok so I started a little early on the cocktails. Fixed

381 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:50:46pm

re: #373 Occasional Reader

Er, no. This was floated here several days ago. It refers to giving the Palis assistance as "refugees", NOT about bringing them here.

On top of that, that's not the real fed register?

382 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:50:47pm

re: #356 Natasha

Well, an explosive tends to be set off by heat and pressure, so it may have been a concern, for fire-fighting sake, to not aggravate the destruction any more than it already happened.

Be careful there ...

Military explosives are set off by heat and pressure.

Some explosives are set off by one or the other. Terrorists don't make home made Nitro for example, because it has the tendency to destroy the home in which it is made. Anything that adds energy will set it off - heat or pressure. A little shaking is enough.

Just thought I should remind you of the distinction.

383 Bobblehead  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:50:59pm

Here's an interesting little story about the surprises Mother Nature provides for us sometimes. The octopus that could.

384 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:51:10pm

re: #369 Catttt

Ohio raised ours a couple years ago also. People use to come here from Michigan and Indiana to buy cartoons. No Longer. Now we have Ohioans driving to West Virginia and Kentucky to buy cigs. You may find this hard to believe but they admitted that the projections never materialized.

385 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:51:21pm

re: #359 Pietr

Guess I'll have to quit now-Texas raised it $1 a PACK almost 2 yrs ago. I'm AF retired, and the Missus just retired as a Teacher Aide-we are on a very fixed income, with MORE outgo than Income......:>((

* **
Congratulations if you do kick the addiction. Lizards must stay strong & keep healthy before nationalized health care kills us.

Plus I'd hate to see your dollars go to support Hamas/Hezbollah, whose cronies in the US buy cigarettes cheap in one state, sell them illegally in a high tax state, then send the proceeds to jihadists.

386 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:51:28pm

Blue-ribbon panel endorses road pricing, shift from gas tax A blue-ribbon federal transportation panel called today for a temporary gas-tax hike followed by a move toward charging drivers directly for every mile they travel -- two ideas that have been soundly rejected by the White House in the past week.

The controversial road-pricing scheme would become the dominant funding mechanism for road construction and maintenance by 2020, with drivers being charged an average of 2 cents per mile, according to the report released by the 15-member panel created by Congress in the last highway bill authorization.

[snip]

To avoid the need for a similar transfer in the short term, the commissions calls for a temporary 10-cent increase to the federal gas tax, along with a 15-cent bump for diesel. The report estimates that the increases would generate $20 billion annually, which would close less than half of the federal funding gap but would enable current spending levels to continue.

First a increase in the tax, then tracking us and taxing us.

387 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:51:38pm

re: #376 brookly red

Private charities have no place in socialism.

Yeah, they demand actual results.

388 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:51:55pm

re: #372 wolfie

BINGO! It will not raise revenue much, if any. It may actually decrease it. Consumption will go down and, as you point out, the black market will siphon off even more tax revenues.

Three words: Indian smoke shops.

389 kingkenrod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:51:57pm

re: #362 EmmmieG

Looking at the Obama tax plan, I have one question: Why do we limit deductions on charitable giving for the wealthy? I'm not wealthy, and I think they should be able to deduct it all, as long as it is genuine charity, and not a political cause. Why shouldn't we encourage the wealthy to give their money to the poor, voluntarily, and where they choose?

/Yes, I know, it should go involuntarily, and where The One chooses.

Socialists see private charity as competition - it's money going to private organizations for them to control, rather than going to government to increase the size and reach of government. Also private charities can be far more discriminatory about who they give aid to, and government doesn't like any form of private choice.

390 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:52:20pm

re: #375 Russkilitlover

Well thats what happens to those who are not situationally orientated or observant. I am...Always have plan B, C, D etc.

/

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:52:29pm

re: #370 Viking6

Well the majority of my evening last night was a serious discussion with Mrs Viking6 as to where we should flee to. She wanted to go to New Zealand, talked her out of that or Canada, talked her out of that too. Maybe Bolivia wouldn't be to bad a choice I'll bring that up over cocktails tonight.

Both NZ and Canada seem like nice places. If I were going to leave the country, I'd go to Ireland, or maybe Vancouver.

392 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:52:31pm

Back on topic..sort of..
***********
On Earth, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are found on burnt toast and in automobile exhaust.

So Ok you are saying that nobody in space can fix toast and the key to universal warming is automobile exhaust?
***********
Seriously I read a report about spacewalks and when they came inside..the smell of the space suits smells like frying steaks.. I'm serious
Outer space smells like frying steaks...I need to find that link cause there is a hundred jokes just waiting to be posted

393 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:52:34pm

re: #386 jcm

www.nytimes.com...]>

First a increase in the tax, then tracking us and taxing us.



Link fixed.......

394 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:52:49pm

re: #369 Catttt

Yep - and then a bunch of people quit, or drove to PA or VA to buy them, so Maryland didn't even get near the revenue they expected. The Big Tobacco Teach Kids Not To Smoke program has worked - less smokers, less purchasing, less tax revenues.

395 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:53:07pm

re: #361 wolfie

Hey! If any of you guys are serious about leaving the US, can my Bolivian relatives, who are desperate to get here, take your place? :)

I may leave the US, but I'm not leaving Texas.

/

396 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:53:21pm

re: #392 HoosierHoops

Back on topic..sort of..
***********
On Earth, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are found on burnt toast and in automobile exhaust.

So Ok you are saying that nobody in space can fix toast and the key to universal warming is automobile exhaust?
***********
Seriously I read a report about spacewalks and when they came inside..the smell of the space suits smells like frying steaks.. I'm serious
Outer space smells like frying steaks...I need to find that link cause there is a hundred jokes just waiting to be posted

Mmmmmmm, steaks!
*Homer voice*

397 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:53:34pm
398 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:53:42pm

re: #372 wolfie

BINGO! It will not raise revenue much, if any. It may actually decrease it. Consumption will go down and, as you point out, the black market will siphon off even more tax revenues.

/can i intrest you in an i-phone? or perhaps some dvds?

399 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:53:51pm

re: #382 karmic_inquisitor

Be careful there ...

Military explosives are set off by heat and pressure.

Some explosives are set off by one or the other. Terrorists don't make home made Nitro for example, because it has the tendency to destroy the home in which it is made. Anything that adds energy will set it off - heat or pressure. A little shaking is enough.

Just thought I should remind you of the distinction.

Oh, gotcha... I just figured the reason they banned some explosives for firefighting was some sort of excuse like that... I also wish terrorists DID make homemade nitro. I wonder if we can arrange some sort of an ad campaign to get them to do so.... Would be totally fantastic!

400 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:53:55pm

re: #377 OldLineTexan

I can't translate-but watched Benny Hill religiously for 7 years/2 tours in England. Any Benny Hill quote gets an upding.....LOL.

401 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:53:58pm

re: #313 Natasha

You're someone whom the Soviets at one time viewed as their subject? Where and how you got away? Just generalities, I am not prying, just trying to relate. We left the Soviet scum-hole too, but I was a kind of grown kid, by them.

I was born in Eastern Europe but I was 9 months old when my mom and dad escaped with me. All my relatives stayed behind and I learned of the horrors of communism through my parents. I will never forget those lessons and I can smell one of them a mile away, whatever the fuck he calls himself, liberal, progressive, socialist. They're all fellow travelers.

402 Cathypop  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:54:00pm

re: #361 wolfie

Hey! If any of you guys are serious about leaving the US, can my Bolivian relatives, who are desperate to get here, take your place? :)


Hell No! Lived in Mexico from 81 to 91 and this is the best place to live.

403 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:54:08pm

re: #370 Viking6

LOL! It would have been a great pick 20 years ago, but w/ Hugo Chavez's buddy Morales there now, I don't think so!

404 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:55:00pm

re: #370 Viking6

Well the majority of my evening last night was a serious discussion with Mrs Viking6 as to where we should flee to. She wanted to go to New Zealand, talked her out of that or Canada, talked her out of that too. Maybe Bolivia wouldn't be to bad a choice I'll bring that up over cocktails tonight.

****
Ehhh, amigo, not so fast--Hugo Chavez' best buddy the idiotic coca-growing Evo Morales is Obamamizing Bolivia as we speak. Chavez & Morales are nationalizing/confiscating foreign investment & property as we speak.

At least in the US, we can flip Congress in 2010, if we get busy & turn out the voters sick of this leftist U-turn already.

405 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:55:04pm

re: #367 Natasha

They are yet to teach us about "improvements" and homemade stuff. I cannot wait, since my Grandfather already showed me most of that stuff when I was little.

When I was in "improvised" was used a lot in instruction because there were wartime scenarios where you'd get stuck behind a Russian advance. You were expected to "improvise" weapons. I always enjoyed those courses. You can make a decent shaped charge with a champagne bottle. And molotov cocktails are always fun, especially when you add a little detergent to make the burning fuel a little "sticky".

Ahhhhh ...... memories!

406 thefallingman  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:55:16pm

re: #360 ArmyWife

He said "families" What is the cut off for individuals? Has he said yet?


No. Which as a bachelor for life has me deeply concerned.

407 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:56:16pm

re: #357 KansasMom

Me too! Its supposed to be cold this weekend, maybe a good time to stay home and try it out.
We tried making our own beer once.....beer turned out nasty but we did learn how to mop the ceiling.

HOW did that happen? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Explosion?

I recall my uncle making beer successfully, but the ceiling?

408 rain of lead  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:56:19pm

re: #394 ArmyWife

Yep - and then a bunch of people quit, or drove to PA or VA to buy them, so Maryland didn't even get near the revenue they expected. The Big Tobacco Teach Kids Not To Smoke program has worked - less smokers, less purchasing, less tax revenues.

here in tennesse they raised cig taxes and then when people went to ky to buy they posted tax officers at the convience stores along the boarder
and busted people for tax evaison

409 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:56:52pm

re: #401 LGoPs

I was born in Eastern Europe but I was 9 months old when my mom and dad escaped with me. All my relatives stayed behind and I learned of the horrors of communism through my parents. I will never forget those lessons and I can smell one of them a mile away, whatever the fuck he calls himself, liberal, progressive, socialist. They're all fellow travelers.

Yep... They are also big bloody disgusting bastards. I am so glad your family got you out of there so early! No baby deserves to grow up in hell. Then again, nor does any adult deserve to live in hell. However, some choose to do so, because either they don't know better, or they enjoy putting others through it....Either way, it is sick.

410 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:57:15pm

re: #370 Viking6

Well the majority of my evening last night was a serious discussion with Mrs Viking6 as to where we should flee to. She wanted to go to New Zealand, talked her out of that or Canada, talked her out of that too. Maybe Bolivia wouldn't be to bad a choice I'll bring that up over cocktails tonight.

NOT Bolivia! Nutso leftist government there (Evo Morales), close ally of Hugo Chavez.

411 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:57:22pm

re: #407 Crimsonfisted

HOW did that happen? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Explosion?

I recall my uncle making beer successfully, but the ceiling?

Amateur beermaking can be, uh, explosive.

412 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:57:24pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

Both countries are nice if you are going for a visit. I believe that the level of Socialism in NZ even surpasses that of the EU. Canada is great but just a little to cold for my old bones. I love Ireland but again just not the right climate. Our consensus was Australia. I love the Aussies and have a few friends 'down under'. Don't know how serious the Mrs. is but she is certainly extremely distressed over the One and his policies. Mrs. helped count chads in Flordia during the 2000 election and she is slightly right of Atila the Hun.

413 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:57:41pm

re: #369 Catttt

Bzzzzztttt, you lose! NYC=$10.00/pack! ;)

OK, anyone want to try and beat that?

414 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:57:45pm

re: #398 brookly red

Get back to me in a few months when the full impact of the big O plan starts kicking in! We can talk!

415 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:58:03pm

re: #405 karmic_inquisitor

When I was in "improvised" was used a lot in instruction because there were wartime scenarios where you'd get stuck behind a Russian advance. You were expected to "improvise" weapons. I always enjoyed those courses. You can make a decent shaped charge with a champagne bottle. And molotov cocktails are always fun, especially when you add a little detergent to make the burning fuel a little "sticky".

Ahhhhh ...... memories!

We still have scenarios where OPFOR is based on Russians. I cannot wait for these classes, though! I am a creative person!

416 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:58:18pm

re: #395 OldLineTexan

I may leave the US, but I'm not leaving Texas.

/

awsome...your forefathers are smiling upon you

417 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:58:47pm

re: #408 rain of lead

nice.

418 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:59:03pm
419 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:59:05pm

re: #370 Viking6

Your most solid option in South America, in terms of stable government that won't try to rob you blind, is Chile.

That said, I think fleeing the country is a BIT of an overreaction...

420 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:59:06pm

re: #386 jcm

www.nytimes.com...]>

First a increase in the tax, then tracking us and taxing us.

Ironically, such taxes affect the poor more than the rich in terms of % of income.

Which is probably why Obama opposes it.

421 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:59:17pm

re: #378 Jimmah

Just don't make the mistake of shaking her hand if you ever meet her.

Heh. I'm sure she has a bottle of hand sanitizer or something, LOL.

422 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:59:19pm

re: #404 alegrias

****
Ehhh, amigo, not so fast--Hugo Chavez' best buddy the idiotic coca-growing Evo Morales is Obamamizing Bolivia as we speak. Chavez & Morales are nationalizing/confiscating foreign investment & property as we speak.

At least in the US, we can flip Congress in 2010, if we get busy & turn out the voters sick of this leftist U-turn already.

That sounds good, but it all depends on how many people the gubmint has on the dole by then.

423 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:59:22pm

re: #409 Natasha

Yep... They are also big bloody disgusting bastards. I am so glad your family got you out of there so early! No baby deserves to grow up in hell. Then again, nor does any adult deserve to live in hell. However, some choose to do so, because either they don't know better, or they enjoy putting others through it....Either way, it is sick.

I'm glad you got out and thank you for honoring us with your military service. Did you read my # 230? It's about your great miltary attitude.....
:)

424 gmsc  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:59:25pm

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425 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:59:25pm

re: #408 rain of lead

here in tennesse they raised cig taxes and then when people went to ky to buy they posted tax officers at the convience stores along the boarder
and busted people for tax evaison

My ex-wife lives in Tenn. She told me about that. We meet in Lousiville Ky for kid pick-up. She saw me buying $150 worth of cigs and started bitching about it.

426 Cathypop  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:59:36pm

re: #416 albusteve

awsome...your forefathers are smiling upon you


I agree with oldlinetexas.

427 Cicero05  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 4:59:37pm

re: #395 OldLineTexan

I may leave the US, but I'm not leaving Texas.

/

Beta males like Obama have no use for a place like Texas anyway.

428 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:00:16pm

re: #413 NY Nana

Bzzzzztttt, you lose! NYC=$10.00/pack! ;)

OK, anyone want to try and beat that?

A neighbor of mine was recently mugged for a pack of cigarettes...

429 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:00:17pm

Well, I am going to go out and raise Hades for a while. Luckily the All (read: upper NCO and O)rank club is right across the parking lot. Stagger in later!

430 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:00:23pm

re: #410 Occasional Reader


So I see from the other posts. I also thought Argentina would be nice. I was there about 18 months ago and it was great.

431 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:00:26pm

re: #401 LGoPs

I was born in Eastern Europe but I was 9 months old when my mom and dad escaped with me. All my relatives stayed behind and I learned of the horrors of communism through my parents. I will never forget those lessons and I can smell one of them a mile away, whatever the fuck he calls himself, liberal, progressive, socialist. They're all fellow travelers.

When I was 11 and living in Iran a Jewish family came across the border into Iran they ended up with us for awhile. The Mother of the family had survived the Nazi camps and was liberated by the Soviet Army. She later ended up in the Gulags.

I learned the horrors of communism and Nazism listening to her tell her story.

432 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:00:52pm

re: #392 HoosierHoops

Back on topic..sort of..
***********
On Earth, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are found on burnt toast and in automobile exhaust.

So Ok you are saying that nobody in space can fix toast and the key to universal warming is automobile exhaust?
***********
Seriously I read a report about spacewalks and when they came inside..the smell of the space suits smells like frying steaks.. I'm serious
Outer space smells like frying steaks...I need to find that link cause there is a hundred jokes just waiting to be posted

It's all that grease from the aliens Xenu fried in Earth's volcanos.

/Scientology - ID

433 monkeytime  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:00:57pm

re: #293 rawmuse

I watched a History Channel show about the Dark Ages. Tragic. King Charlemagne finally pulls them half way back to civilization, just in time for the Vikings to set them back to chattel status. A thousand years of troubles.

I saw that show - it was really good. Love the History Channel.

434 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:01:00pm

It's a space volcano!

435 rain of lead  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:01:04pm

re: #417 ArmyWife

actualy not so much, they stopped after a few months because the folks were getting pissed and it was making the admin look really bad

436 Cathypop  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:01:10pm

re: #427 Cicero05

Beta males like Obama have no use for a place like Texas anyway.

Good because I love it here

437 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:01:45pm

re: #408 rain of lead

here in tennesse they raised cig taxes and then when people went to ky to buy they posted tax officers at the convience stores along the boarder
and busted people for tax evaison

If they ever tried that along the Oregon/Washington border, they could arrest half the population of the border counties (the other half would hear about it and turn back.)

It's not cigarettes. It's everything. We have no sales tax. In fact, I can use my Oregon DL in Washington and get out of paying taxes.

The price for this is a highly progressive tax system that goes berserk anytime the economy goes south, like right about...now.

438 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:01:48pm

re: #345 EmmmieG

Sounds fun, but a word of advice from my own go-round with cheese. They aren't kidding about not using aluminum. Really, really not kidding. It will change the taste.

That's not all it will do. Be extremely careful.

439 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:02:09pm

re: #434 SFGoth

It's a space volcano!

Do not... I repeat.. Do not monitor it!

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:02:10pm

re: #419 Occasional Reader

Your most solid option in South America, in terms of stable government that won't try to rob you blind, is Chile.

That said, I think fleeing the country is a BIT of an overreaction...

I tend to agree.

But I hear Costa Rica is nice this time of year.

441 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:02:20pm

re: #431 jcm

When I was 11 and living in Iran a Jewish family came across the border into Iran they ended up with us for awhile. The Mother of the family had survived the Nazi camps and was liberated by the Soviet Army. She later ended up in the Gulags.

I learned the horrors of communism and Nazism listening to her tell her story.

What a tragedy. To escape the Nazi's just to run into the Soviets.......
I hope there's a special place in the afterlife for her where she can be at peace for eternity......

442 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:02:21pm

re: #428 brookly red

I'm glad Mr. Armywife quit. For a lot of reasons!

443 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:02:33pm

re: #419 Occasional Reader

I always do what the Mrs wants. That why we are still married. She will eventually tire of yelling at the tv, most of this am relative to the trillion dollar budget, and decide we still have a pretty good life here.

444 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:03:14pm

re: #412 Viking6

* * *
Bless you wife for counting chads in 2000!

Beating Gore by a hair was the beginning of the leftists' mental massive problems, but thank God George W. Bush was president on September 11, 2001 and not Al Gore, who with his President Bill Clinton, slept through the first attacks on our country by Al Qaeda 16 years ago yesterday in New York (Feb. 26, 1993 World Trade Center)

Liberals had 8 years to plot revenge.
We have 2 years to throw them out of Congress & cripple Pres. Obama's leftist U-turn.

445 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:03:21pm

re: #416 albusteve

awsome...your forefathers are smiling upon you

Heh. Not that I may not in up in Mexico del Norte by default, but that will just be a circle of life thing.

;)

446 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:03:50pm

re: #442 ArmyWife

I'm glad Mr. Armywife quit. For a lot of reasons!

good for him (you) :)

447 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:04:17pm

re: #433 monkeytime

Thats why my people are considered the orignal 'party animals.'

/

448 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:04:22pm

re: #425 screaming_eagle

My ex-wife lives in Tenn. She told me about that. We meet in Lousiville Ky for kid pick-up. She saw me buying $150 worth of cigs and started bitching about it.

None of her business I say.

Sounds like the revolution is going to over cigs! Glad Mr Fisted quit two years ago, we could not have afforded it.

449 Natasha  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:04:24pm

I do hope Charles provides us with a drinking thread, because by the time I get back, Bacchus will be in charge....

450 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:04:25pm

BBIAW

451 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:05:10pm

How can the democrats tax it? or turn it into an entitlement?

452 monkeytime  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:05:16pm

re: #431 jcm

When I was 11 and living in Iran a Jewish family came across the border into Iran they ended up with us for awhile. The Mother of the family had survived the Nazi camps and was liberated by the Soviet Army. She later ended up in the Gulags.

I learned the horrors of communism and Nazism listening to her tell her story.

I'm so sad reading the story of the Mother. I'm sure she would be happy that you learned from her story and carry on the spirit of freedom that she did not find in this life, but the next.

453 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:05:16pm

re: #421 OldLineTexan

Heh. I'm sure she has a bottle of hand sanitizer or something, LOL.

Wishful thinking, I fear ;)

454 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:05:17pm

re: #440 SanFranciscoZionist

I tend to agree.

But I hear Costa Rica is nice this time of year.

If we extend the search to Central America, CR is nice (so I'm told, haven't been there yet), Panama is a good option, too.

Back south... Uruguay is good. Argentina has a lot of great points, but is probably headed for trouble soon.

455 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:05:28pm

re: #448 Crimsonfisted

None of her business I say.

Sounds like the revolution is going to over cigs! Glad Mr Fisted quit two years ago, we could not have afforded it.

smoke & booze, bring it on...

456 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:05:34pm

re: #395 OldLineTexan

According to our articles of incorporation-we can leave the USA-as an Independent state-or become 5 STATES now, and affect the 2010 elections, majorly. I favor the latter, but will go with the former, if given no better choice...

Texas

has

Rules....

Pietr

457 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:05:47pm

re: #430 Viking6

So I see from the other posts. I also thought Argentina would be nice. I was there about 18 months ago and it was great.

* * * *
Not so fast, amigo! Hugo Chavez sent suitcases of crooked cash to elect Argentina's sleazy President Christina Kirchner.

458 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:05:57pm

re: #441 LGoPs

What a tragedy. To escape the Nazi's just to run into the Soviets.......
I hope there's a special place in the afterlife for her where she can be at peace for eternity......

She was amazingly at peace and without bitterness. She'd live a brutally hard life, most of it at the hands of others, deliberately persecuted. She received asylum to the US, and was so thankful for that.

459 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:06:05pm
460 monkeytime  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:06:13pm

re: #447 Viking6

Thats why my people are considered the orignal 'party animals.'

/

LOL! I'd party at your place!

461 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:06:44pm

re: #444 alegrias


Thanks. We belonged to the Broward County Republicans and she did what I couldn't. I would have lost my temper and someone would be counting teeth on the floor. I agree that we need to take back control and hopefully we will in the next election cycle.

462 jorline  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:07:01pm

Good evening. Lizards.

I just saw this bumper sticker.
*Barark in 08*
*Broke in 09*

463 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:07:04pm

re: #431 jcm

When I was 11 and living in Iran a Jewish family came across the border into Iran they ended up with us for awhile. The Mother of the family had survived the Nazi camps and was liberated by the Soviet Army. She later ended up in the Gulags.

I learned the horrors of communism and Nazism listening to her tell her story.

My mom has a cousin who survived Auschwitz. She never talked about it much. I met my former Bulgarian girlfriend father couple years ago. He's about 50 or so, lived all his life in Sofia. Offered me a cup of his best Nescafe' and proudly showed me his collection of Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, etc., all taped off the air (BBC). What a wonderful standard of living communism provided. You betcha the politburo kids had the real records.

464 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:07:17pm

re: #454 Occasional Reader

If we extend the search to Central America, CR is nice (so I'm told, haven't been there yet), Panama is a good option, too.

Back south... Uruguay is good. Argentina has a lot of great points, but is probably headed for trouble soon.

I have family in Argentina, but we're long out of touch. I hear you need to like steak, or they won't let you in the country.

465 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:07:23pm

re: #15 Basho

Whoa! I'm seeing a face in that cloud. SpaceJesus, is that you?

This thread needs more SpaceJesus.

466 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:07:25pm
467 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:07:43pm

re: #453 Jimmah

Wishful thinking, I fear ;)

OK, mebbe she'd settle for a sloppy kiss instead, LOL.

468 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:08:11pm

re: #454 Occasional Reader

My vote is to move to Texas. I have always admired the folks that live there.

469 Cheechako  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:08:12pm

re: #303 Natasha

Do you still have the spinal meningitis problem at Ft Wood?

Here a true story about the Army's attempt to cure spinal meningitis;

I took my basic training at Ft Dix in New Jersey in March/April, 1965. At the time there were several dozen cases of spinal meningitis on the Post. Some genius in the Army Medical Corp thought he had a brilliant idea for a cure using urine!. So, every morning everyone had to pee into a very clean garbage can. Heaven forbid if anyone tossed a cigarette butt or paper towel in that special P-can. Two trainees then carried the can to the curbside and stood "guard" waiting for the collection truck. Very important duty guarding a can of pee!

I swear on my little pinky the story is true....hey, it's the Army!

470 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:08:15pm

re: #456 Pietr

According to our articles of incorporation-we can leave the USA-as an Independent state-or become 5 STATES now, and affect the 2010 elections, majorly. I favor the latter, but will go with the former, if given no better choice...

Texas

has

Rules....

Pietr

Umm... how come they couldn't apply that in the Civil War to say their leaving the Union was "legal"?

471 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:08:15pm

I Think the ad for LULU.com With Axis Baldwin is pure genius..Just totally cool.
Whoever thought of that one is looking for a flat on the upper east side right now..
/cause that's how they roll

472 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:08:27pm

re: #452 monkeytime

I'm so sad reading the story of the Mother. I'm sure she would be happy that you learned from her story and carry on the spirit of freedom that she did not find in this life, but the next.

I talk to Chumpskites who pull the moral equivalence crap, and I seethe. To them Nazism and Communism are political theories and no different from any other.

I had the honor and privilege of meeting the face of those theories.

473 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:08:33pm

re: #451 FrogMarch

How can the democrats tax it? or turn it into an entitlement?

Maybe we could start a rumor and claim they want to tax e-mail and text messages.

WAIT
Nevermind, they already floated that balloon.

474 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:08:52pm

re: #456 Pietr

According to our articles of incorporation-we can leave the USA-as an Independent state-or become 5 STATES now, and affect the 2010 elections, majorly. I favor the latter, but will go with the former, if given no better choice...

Texas

has

Rules....

Pietr

Pietr, the American Civil War rewrote and replaced the treaty of 1845.

475 JimInMN  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:09:13pm

SOT does anyone know if that is a star or a planet next to the moon tonight to those with clear skies? My Dad always said if it blinks its a star if it is solid it is a planet. This appears from my angle to be a solid light.

476 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:09:16pm

re: #467 OldLineTexan

Again, avoid kissing the hand.

477 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:09:20pm

re: #466 Iron Fist

He doesn['t want the troops to have won a victory. If the troops have won a victory, then everything he and the rest of the Democrats have done since about the third week of the invasion has been wrong.

The Democrat Party is very heavily invested in America's defeat. Not just in Iraq, but in Afghanistan and, really, the whole War on Terror concept going all the way back to 9-11, although curiously enough, not much before that. What could have changed between 1999 and 2001? It is a mystery.

In truth, I blame the Republicans. They have been the enabler in the abusive relationship between the Democrats and the rest of America. When they let the Democrats get away with cheering the terrorist enemy as "Freedom Fighters" and American troops as "Nazis", the Republicans should have stepped up and said "What? Would you care to repeat that?"

And then stuck it in them and broke it off at the hilt. Damn right we question your patriotism when you are cheering on al Qaeda and vilifying the troops. What fucking planet were these traitors on? the Republicans tried to patch it up by echoing the "Dissent is Patriotism" bullshit, and just not saying anything about the Democrats no matter how far out of line they got.

This was not, as Martha Stewart would say, a good thing. Water under the bridge, I guess, but so many of us here harped on how bad a mistake this was for so long that the only conclusion that I can reach is that the Inside-the-Beltway Republicans are woefully (even dangerously) out of touch.

And now those same Democrats, the ones who cheered al Qaeda or backed those who cheered al Qaeda, are now in almost absolute control of our government. This does not bode well. Obama has already begun to appease and embolden our enemy, and he has only been President for a month.

much truth there as usual...you speak for me

478 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:09:26pm

re: #460 monkeytime


Probably why I live in Sin City. All LGF'ers are welcome anytime.

479 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:09:34pm

re: #474 OldLineTexan

Pietr, the American Civil War rewrote and replaced the treaty of 1845.

That answers my question... thanks!

480 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:09:46pm

re: #428 brookly red

Yipes! Are you serious? My daughter and her family live in Williamsburg. The 2 year old does not smoke;) And daughter and son in law don't either. Daughter quit about 10-15 years ago.

481 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:09:58pm

re: #470 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Umm... how come they couldn't apply that in the Civil War to say their leaving the Union was "legal"?

/forehead slap

DAMMIT!

/

482 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:10:32pm

re: #458 jcm

She was amazingly at peace and without bitterness. She'd live a brutally hard life, most of it at the hands of others, deliberately persecuted. She received asylum to the US, and was so thankful for that.

* * * *
Sounds like the mother who endured Communism until she couldn't take it anymore, climbed into a boat with her son, and died attempting to give little Elian Gonzalez freedom--and whose heroic death Obama's attorney general ERIC HOLDER the coward cowering communist bootlicking toadie caused to be wasted when he sent her son back to Fidel Castro's icky lap.

483 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:10:57pm

re: #478 Viking6

Probably why I live in Sin City. All LGF'ers are welcome anytime.

But The One said we shouldn't go there!

/////////////

484 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:10:58pm

re: #464 SanFranciscoZionist

I have family in Argentina, but we're long out of touch. I hear you need to like steak, or they won't let you in the country.

You're well advised to like steak... although I do know Argetinian vegetarians, believe it or not.

But their current government makes Obama look like Reagan, and they are headed for trouble.

Peru actually has its ducks in a row during the last several years, but I'd want to give it a little more time to make sure they keep their act together.

485 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:11:08pm

re: #475 JimInMN

SOT does anyone know if that is a star or a planet next to the moon tonight to those with clear skies? My Dad always said if it blinks its a star if it is solid it is a planet. This appears from my angle to be a solid light.

Seems it is Venus... see here

486 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:11:13pm

re: #476 Jimmah

Again, avoid kissing the hand.

LOL. Too Fwench, anyway. Tell you what, I'll just slap her on the ass and growl "Heyagalhowzaboutit?" and go from there!

//////////////

487 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:11:32pm

re: #472 jcm

I talk to Chumpskites who pull the moral equivalence crap, and I seethe. To them Nazism and Communism are political theories and no different from any other.

I had the honor and privilege of meeting the face of those theories.

The irony is that both those systems had in common the all powerful state. It is the state that is the true threat........
And our state sure ain't getting any smaller.

488 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:12:27pm

Really BBIAW this time......

489 SFGoth  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:12:56pm

re: #466 Iron Fist

I blame the feckless Repubs too. They got fat, dumb, and happy in the majority in Congress and nominated a guy who was nobody's conservative (well, no conservative's conservative). We all damn well know that bringing libs and conservs together means having the libs play moyell with the conservs. It's going to be a long time before redemption.

490 monkeytime  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:13:03pm

re: #468 Viking6

My vote is to move to Texas. I have always admired the folks that live there.

Everyone come on down to Texas it's great. The weather's nice. Property is cheap. Gas price low. However, tomorrow in liberal Dallas, they are having people bring any gun to Reunion Arena and turn it in for a $50 Kroger Grocery card. Seriously, I can't believe it. If anyone wants a gun cheap - take $60 cash to the arena tomorrow. Good grief.

491 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:13:09pm

re: #454 Occasional Reader

If we extend the search to Central America, CR is nice (so I'm told, haven't been there yet), Panama is a good option, too.

Back south... Uruguay is good. Argentina has a lot of great points, but is probably headed for trouble soon.

Guatamala, Honduras, Belize. All good candidates. And they'd love the capital that we'd bring with us.

492 JimInMN  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:13:14pm

re: #485 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
cool thanks

493 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:13:16pm

re: #483 jcm

As we use to say at briefing lets give him a hymn,

FUCK HIM
FUCK HIM

/

494 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:13:17pm

There's definitely a 'cats of war' thing in the zeitgeist just now. First this, (which is still on-going, btw) then this is released earlier today:

495 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:14:06pm

re: #487 LGoPs

The irony is that both those systems had in common the all powerful state. It is the state that is the true threat........
And our state sure ain't getting any smaller.

We sure seem to be bound and determined to try it again, don't we?

*spit*

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”

496 monkeytime  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:14:23pm

re: #478 Viking6

Probably why I live in Sin City. All LGF'ers are welcome anytime.

We need to have a LGF conference there and do our share to stimulate the economy!

497 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:15:01pm

re: #392 HoosierHoops

Outer space smells like frying steaks...I need to find that link cause there is a hundred jokes just waiting to be posted

/space smell steak

498 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:15:20pm

re: #490 monkeytime

Oklahoma is still a bastion of conservatism. The only state in the Union to have every county vote Republican in the last election. And the housing is nice.

499 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:15:55pm

re: #490 monkeytime

I really enjoy the Western part of the state.

500 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:15:56pm

re: #486 OldLineTexan

LOL. Too Fwench, anyway. Tell you what, I'll just slap her on the ass and growl "Heyagalhowzaboutit?" and go from there!

//////////////

lol. To be honest, I'd wear gloves if I was thinking about putting my hand anywhere near her ass.

501 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:16:08pm

re: #490 monkeytime

Everyone come on down to Texas it's great. The weather's nice. Property is cheap. Gas price low. However, tomorrow in liberal Dallas, they are having people bring any gun to Reunion Arena and turn it in for a $50 Kroger Grocery card. Seriously, I can't believe it. If anyone wants a gun cheap - take $60 cash to the arena tomorrow. Good grief.

They should have asked Houston how great that worked.

You want to hear a "no shit" story? A friend of mine was an out-of-business gun dealer with a half a crate of beaten Russian Mosin-Nagant M91 long rifles ... he was happy to get the $50 each!

No more drive-bys with 29" of rifle barrel hanging out the windows.

/

502 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:16:12pm

re: #495 jcm

We sure seem to be bound and determined to try it again, don't we?

*spit*

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”


...what if history is teaching them the wrong lessons?

503 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:16:23pm

re: #495 jcm

We sure seem to be bound and determined to try it again, don't we?

*spit*

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”

Way back when in college, I had a history of South America class. My textbook was written by a man I knew to be very left-wing. (I had seen other articles by him.) It was unintentionally hilarious. Every time a left-wing attempt at "restructuring" an economy failed, the book would explain that it was just that they didn't go far enough. Every time a right-wing economy worked, the book would laboriously explain how it was just luck, just coincidence. Repeatedly.

504 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:16:29pm

re: #474 OldLineTexan

Did it? It has never been tested by the SCOTUS! The agreement was made-Lincoln used War Powers....any Law types wanna take this on.....:>)). Texas has WRITTEN Proof.....just so ya' know.....

505 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:16:53pm

re: #480 NY Nana

Yipes! Are you serious? My daughter and her family live in Williamsburg. The 2 year old does not smoke;) And daughter and son in law don't either. Daughter quit about 10-15 years ago.

Yes, very serious. But don't worry too much about it, you don't flash cash in public, you don't flash jewelery in public, & now you don't smoke in public.

506 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:17:06pm

re: #496 monkeytime

Well I believe that there are several that already live here and those that are in the SoCal area are only 4.5 hrs or so away. It could be fun.

507 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:17:51pm

re: #466 Iron Fist

* * *
You have many good points. Republicans could have acted differently these last years, but at least they didn't call for total withdrawal & defeat in Iraq. On the homefront, the pro-jihadists had the media advantage, no question about it.

I just saw Katherine Herridge on Fox earlier reporting the ACLU is defending Al Marri the Jihadist who was held for 5 years.

Yes, it's clear democrats believe jihadist "dissent" is patriotic--plotting to blow up Americans is cool. But should Americans blow up jihadists, that's very very wrong.
Democrats believed jihadists should attack us for 8 eight years straight, and democrats invited jihadists/terrorists to sleep in Lincoln's bedroom for 8 years straight.

Hillary's back in bed with Hamas, who knew? And Obama approves this message!

508 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:17:52pm

re: #502 ConservatismNow!

...what if history is teaching them the wrong lessons?

Right lesson. "F" students!

509 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:18:32pm

re: #502 ConservatismNow!

...what if history is teaching them the wrong lessons?

Yeah, they've learned.

They didn't do it right last time.... just a few more eggs, and we'll figure it out.

510 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:18:37pm

re: #491 Soona'

Guatamala, Honduras, Belize. All good candidates. And they'd love the capital that we'd bring with us.

All three are VERY poor, of course. And at least the first two have very serious crime/violence problems (I don't know about Belize).

511 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:19:39pm

re: #498 ConservatismNow!

Oklahoma is still a bastion of conservatism. The only state in the Union to have every county vote Republican in the last election. And the housing is nice.

Now if we can only get rid of our shivering little democrat governor.

512 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:19:40pm

re: #497 Killian Bundy

/space smell steak

LOL
Thanks Killian..I'll bookmark that..But i can think of alot of jokes about BBQ's and outerspace...
LOL
/seriously that smell..of hot metals,steaks,car exhaust..That's just what is left over from one hell of an explosion...The big Boom!

513 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:19:52pm

Speaking of astronomical things - for those of you in North America who have sunset time, go outside and look west RIGHT NOW. There is a conjunction between crescent Venus at maximum brightness and the crescent moon. They are very close together in the sky.

Take binoculars. Even through my consumer-grade Nikons you can see that Venus is a crescent. I caught some glimpses between cloud bands here in DFW.

514 monkeytime  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:20:31pm

re: #498 ConservatismNow!

Oklahoma is still a bastion of conservatism. The only state in the Union to have every county vote Republican in the last election. And the housing is nice.

Well I might have to move there after all the terrorist and gang bangers arm up in the parking lot of the arena tomorrow where guns are cheap.

515 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:20:50pm

re: #512 HoosierHoops

LOL
Thanks Killian..I'll bookmark that..But i can think of alot of jokes about BBQ's and outerspace...
LOL
/seriously that smell..of hot metals,steaks,car exhaust..That's just what is left over from one hell of an explosion...The big Boom!

God had an accident with the BBQ, and here we are.

516 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:20:52pm

Guatemala.

/btw, I love this entire album

517 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:21:13pm

re: #510 Occasional Reader

All three are VERY poor, of course. And at least the first two have very serious crime/violence problems (I don't know about Belize).

Lady roommate's aunt and uncle just got back from Belize. They had to be wary, and some Canadians they met while travelling were robbed by a gang of gun-toting thugs when they went over the border into Guatemala (?) to see a waterfall.

518 gmsc  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:21:28pm

re: #451 FrogMarch

How can the democrats tax it? or turn it into an entitlement?

Democrat philosophy:
If it moves, tax it.
If it keeps moving, regulate it.
If it stops moving, subsidize it.

519 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:21:55pm

re: #491 Soona'

Guatamala, Honduras, Belize. All good candidates. And they'd love the capital that we'd bring with us.

I sponser a foster kid in Guatamala, the average family income is under $900/year... how long do you think you would last?

520 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:22:03pm

re: #510 Occasional Reader

All three are VERY poor, of course. And at least the first two have very serious crime/violence problems (I don't know about Belize).

And every major city in the US doesn't have a crime/violence problem?

521 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:22:39pm

re: #520 Soona'

And every major city in the US doesn't have a crime/violence problem?

Not anymore. Obama is president.

522 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:23:20pm

re: #491 Soona'

Guatamala, Honduras, Belize. All good candidates. And they'd love the capital that we'd bring with us.

* * * *
Awww, come on people. Let's grow some balls & declare a new REVOLUCION!

Let's invade Cuba. I'm dying to frolic on the beaches like the Guantanamera of Gitmo!

Next Stop, Camp Gitmo for me.

(Why should Europeons who luv Castro 'n' Communism get to have all the fun)

This time, let's really sic the Mafia on Castro.

523 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:23:30pm

re: #521 screaming_eagle

Not anymore. Obama is president.

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

524 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:24:24pm

re: #509 jcm

Yeah, they've learned.

They didn't do it right last time.... just a few more eggs, and we'll figure it out.

I just had a funny thought. An analogy to commies resurfacing again. What if someone tried to invade Rome again via Iberia and the Pyranees? I mean, Hannibal didn't do it right the first time. I KNOW I can conquer Rome.

525 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:24:40pm

re: #519 brookly red

I sponser a foster kid in Guatamala, the average family income is under $900/year... how long do you think you would last?

On $900 a year? If I just increase that by $2000, I could last a long, long time.

526 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:24:59pm

re: #517 Pawn of the Oppressor

Lady roommate's aunt and uncle just got back from Belize. They had to be wary, and some Canadians they met while travelling were robbed by a gang of gun-toting thugs when they went over the border into Guatemala (?) to see a waterfall.

Lots of very weird shit happens in Guatemala, especially in the hinterlands. Gangs who murder women for being "uppity", for instance.

527 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:25:22pm

re: #523 OldLineTexan

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

Thank you Kent Brockman!

528 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:25:23pm

re: #520 Soona'

And every major city in the US doesn't have a crime/violence problem?

Cities with liberal concealed carry laws not so much.

4. States that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons have lower crime rates than those that don't.

True. The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated

529 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:25:54pm

re: #521 screaming_eagle

Not anymore. Obama is president.

Oh yeah. I forgot. Forgive me, please. :(

530 Orangutan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:25:58pm

re: #104 Rancher

Timothy Leary saw it first.


Looks like something from Mrs. O'Leary's cow.

I know, I'm reaching.

Maybe its gas chromatograph is similr to that of our Chief Executive's breath.

531 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:26:04pm

re: #520 Soona'

And every major city in the US doesn't have a crime/violence problem?

Um, not on this scale, no.

We are a very, very safe country, by hemispheric standards.

532 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:26:19pm

re: #524 ConservatismNow!

I just had a funny thought. An analogy to commies resurfacing again. What if someone tried to invade Rome again via Iberia and the Pyranees? I mean, Hannibal didn't do it right the first time. I KNOW I can conquer Rome.

Damn, right!

I'm gonna' buy a bunch of lead and make gold! I'll be rich!

533 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:26:30pm

re: #498 ConservatismNow!

Oklahoma is still a bastion of conservatism. The only state in the Union to have every county vote Republican in the last election. And the housing is nice.

* * * *
John McCain's 96 year old mother is originally an Okie from Muskogee, Oklahoma! Perhaps that's where McCain gets some of his conservatism.

Her parents moved to Beverly Hills like the Beverly Hillbillies, so McCain's sometime love affair with Hollywood is familial.

534 Viking6  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:27:01pm

Time to bail , Mrs. is home desiring a cool adult beverage. Me need more too...May be stay drunk for the next 3 plus years. Hey maybe that could be a new advertisement for our friends in the beverage industry.

"Drink until it stops hurting, the room starts to spin or 3 years passes; which ever comes first."

535 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:27:20pm

re: #525 Soona'

On $900 a year? If I just increase that by $2000, I could last a long, long time.

uhhh, you don't get it... they roll up the streets in the capital at sun down. You and your money would disappear quickly, very quickly.

536 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:27:41pm

Gotta run.......

537 Jr ewing  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:28:13pm

I apologize if this has been posted.

surreal mini-British civil war

MI5 has estimated that up to 4,000 British Muslims had travelled to Pakistan and, before the fall of the Taliban, to Afghanistan for military training. The main concern until now has been about the parts some of them had played in terrorist plots in the UK. Now there are signs that they are mounting missions against British and Western targets abroad. "We are now involved in a kind of surreal mini-British civil war a few thousand miles away,"

This is truly shocking.

538 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:28:19pm

re: #515 jcm

God had an accident with the BBQ, and here we are.

I imagine when God throws a BBQ it's pretty awesome..Best in the Universe is what I hear..

539 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:28:22pm
540 JimInMN  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:29:00pm

re: #513 Pawn of the Oppressor

The kids and I have been checking it out from MN Venus is so bright people are calling me from all over town taking cell pics. No need for the Nikons from here.

541 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:29:01pm

re: #528 jcm

Cities with liberal concealed carry laws not so much.

4. States that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons have lower crime rates than those that don't.

True. The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated

I'm sure the zero will put a stop to lowering crime rates.

542 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:29:24pm

re: #530 Orangutan

Looks like something from Mrs. O'Leary's cow.

I know, I'm reaching.

Maybe its gas chromatograph is similr to that of our Chief Executive's breath.

Only because he has head up his a**....What, I decided to post nicely, for a change.....:>))

543 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:29:32pm

re: #524 ConservatismNow!

Nah. Hannibal actually did get over the Alps and laid waste to a whole lot of Italy for a few months. Not a total failure.
I've got a better idea! Let's invade Russia in the fall!

544 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:30:00pm

re: #537 Jr ewing

I apologize if this has been posted.

surreal mini-British civil war

MI5 has estimated that up to 4,000 British Muslims had travelled to Pakistan and, before the fall of the Taliban, to Afghanistan for military training. The main concern until now has been about the parts some of them had played in terrorist plots in the UK. Now there are signs that they are mounting missions against British and Western targets abroad. "We are now involved in a kind of surreal mini-British civil war a few thousand miles away,"

This is truly shocking.

No, it is not shocking. Not shocking at all.

545 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:30:07pm

re: #537 Jr ewing

I apologize if this has been posted.

surreal mini-British civil war

MI5 has estimated that up to 4,000 British Muslims had travelled to Pakistan and, before the fall of the Taliban, to Afghanistan for military training. The main concern until now has been about the parts some of them had played in terrorist plots in the UK. Now there are signs that they are mounting missions against British and Western targets abroad. "We are now involved in a kind of surreal mini-British civil war a few thousand miles away,"

This is truly shocking.

* * *
No shit, British Sherlocks. There are DIRECT flights from Pakistan to Yorkshire, England!

546 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:30:57pm

re: #533 alegrias

Interesting. I did not know that

re: #511 Soona'

A do-nothing Dem guv is better than what some other states have. As long as he's doing nothing, he's not screwing something up.

547 thefallingman  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:31:11pm

re: #538 HoosierHoops

I imagine when God throws a BBQ it's pretty awesome..Best in the Universe is what I hear..


And Ol' Scratch's isn't worth anything. He cooks the meat too long and the beer is always warm.

548 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:31:35pm

re: #537 Jr ewing

This is truly shocking.

How dare you attempt to "judge" their richly diverse folkways!

/

549 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:32:27pm
550 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:32:51pm

re: #548 Occasional Reader

How dare you attempt to "judge" their richly diverse folkways!

/

Feh. Folk 'em sideways if they don't like it.

/

551 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:32:57pm

re: #466 Iron Fist

In truth, I blame the Republicans. They have been the enabler in the abusive relationship between the Democrats and the rest of America. When they let the Democrats get away with cheering the terrorist enemy as "Freedom Fighters" and American troops as "Nazis", the Republicans should have stepped up and said "What? Would you care to repeat that?"

And then stuck it in them and broke it off at the hilt. Damn right we question your patriotism when you are cheering on al Qaeda and vilifying the troops. What fucking planet were these traitors on? the Republicans tried to patch it up by echoing the "Dissent is Patriotism" bullshit, and just not saying anything about the Democrats no matter how far out of line they got.

Every time the Republicans let one of these treasonous bastards get away with thier lies and accusations, they were silently endorsing it.
Of course I'm sure the Republicans were cowed from replying so that they could maintain their good standing with the MFM. That worked out reeeeeal well....
///////// Fucking idiots

552 monkeytime  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:33:12pm

re: #534 Viking6

Time to bail , Mrs. is home desiring a cool adult beverage. Me need more too...May be stay drunk for the next 3 plus years. Hey maybe that could be a new advertisement for our friends in the beverage industry.

"Drink until it stops hurting, the room starts to spin or 3 years passes; which ever comes first."

Have a good one!

553 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:34:04pm

re: #535 brookly red

uhhh, you don't get it... they roll up the streets in the capital at sun down. You and your money would disappear quickly, very quickly.

Then I'll take a vacation to St. Thomas. So there.
//sulking

554 thefallingman  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:34:39pm

re: #549 Iron Fist

He's about 6'5" and a third degree black belt. Very, very skilled and highly trained martial artist.


Easily overcome by an ounce of copper and lead.

555 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:35:17pm

re: #553 Soona'

Then I'll take a vacation to St. Thomas. So there.
//sulking

better, much better.

556 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:35:46pm

re: #539 Iron Fist

when I see that the ACLU is backing something, I know to pay special attention to it. It usually means that "it" (whatever "it" may be) is probably wrong. It is certainly no surprise to see them supporting a Jihadi. An innocent gun owner charged for violating so obscure and possibly unconstitutional law, OTOH, is much to radical for them to take notice of.

Have you ever stopped to think how this country if the Right to Keep and Bear Arms was as broadly protected in American law as the right to abortion is? That, of course, is a right that the ACLU doesn't approve of, and therefore doesn't mind when the government tramples all over it.

How is the ACLU actually funded? I really don't know. If I find out it's in any way through taxpayer dollars, I'll have a meltdown......

557 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:36:13pm

I'm outta here folks. Have a good weekend.

558 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:36:32pm

re: #557 Soona'

I'm outta here folks. Have a good weekend.

You too.....
:)

559 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:37:17pm

re: #556 LGoPs

How is the ACLU actually funded? I really don't know. If I find out it's in any way through taxpayer dollars, I'll have a meltdown......

Start haveing a melt down. Plus donations, and lawsuits.

560 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:37:35pm

re: #549 Iron Fist

Not on the scale of the Third World. From what I hear, South Africa is the absolute worst place on the globe. I had a friend go down there several years ago for a summer law internship, and he lasted about a month until the constant fear wore him out and he returned to the US.

What is remarkable isn't so much that he was worried about crime as that he was worried about crime. He's about 6'5" and a third degree black belt. Very, very skilled and highly trained martial artist.

When I lived in Lima, Peru, for a while I knew a South African who was living there. Now, Lima (both now and at the time) has a pretty significant crime problem, by U.S. standards. Stuff you don't really worry about in the US... like being mugged, kidnapped, or (for a woman) raped by your taxi driver.

But she found Lima absolutely delightful compared to Johannesburg, because she could do previously unthinkable things; like walk down the street after dark (in a good neighborhood).

561 Soona'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:37:46pm

re: #556 LGoPs

How is the ACLU actually funded? I really don't know. If I find out it's in any way through taxpayer dollars, I'll have a meltdown......

It is partially funded by US taxpayers. I'm really really outta here now.

562 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:39:19pm

The Colonel

(Don't watch if Mel Gibson offends you)

563 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:40:05pm

Record number of Peace Prize contenders this year, says Nobel Institute

A RECORD 205 candidates are in the running for this year's Nobel Peace Prize, the Nobel Institute says, with US President Barack Obama and France's Nicolas Sarkozy known to be on the list.

/there are other candidates besides Obama?

564 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:40:37pm

re: #551 LGoPs

This reminds me of Desiderius Erasmus. He was a moderate Dutch Humanist during the Reformation who wrote a book called The Praise of Folly which is considered to be his most famous work. His book was a friendly poke at all the major players in Europe at that time from the Protestants and the Catholics to lawyers and nobles. The Catholics thought he stabbed them in the back and the Protestants thought he didn't go too far. As such, he was reviled by both groups at the time.

565 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:41:40pm

re: #563 Killian Bundy

What has Obama done to promote Peace, exactly?

566 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:41:48pm

Anyone watching Beck melt down on O'Reilly?

567 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:41:51pm

re: #547 thefallingman

And Ol' Scratch's isn't worth anything. He cooks the meat too long and the beer is always warm.

Menu from old Scratch BBQ..
Gamey troll meat on the grill
moby salad
beer that makes the brown derby taste like a micro brewery
The only thing on tv is the Detroit Lions or Campbell Brown
You have 57 unread text messages from your mother-in-law
His Dog is Cujo
All your Ex's aren't in Texas
No matter what happens..you don't want to crash there

568 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:42:04pm

re: #559 screaming_eagle

Start haveing a melt down. Plus donations, and lawsuits.

I don't know what to say. I am truly flummoxed. I'll get kicked out of here permanently if I say a 10th of what I'm thinking.
This is truly Lenin's rope that he said we'd hang ourselves with. And we're paying for it........
Fuck.

569 monkeytime  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:42:27pm

re: #551 LGoPs

Every time the Republicans let one of these treasonous bastards get away with thier lies and accusations, they were silently endorsing it.
Of course I'm sure the Republicans were cowed from replying so that they could maintain their good standing with the MFM. That worked out reeeeeal well....
///////// Fucking idiots

How true. The Republicans were so busy being the over top "tolerant" spineless dumbasses all the while the Dems screamed "Nazi's" at them. The louder they screamed "NAZI" and harrassed our soldiers and behaved like spoiled 3 year olds, the more the GOP's caved and restrained and set out to prove how tolerant they could be. The libs were the horrid, intolerant bullies that they accused the Republicans of being. The old hippies and peace loving ex terrorists took the country for ride and it ain't over.

570 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:42:36pm

re: #565 ArmyWife

What has Obama done to promote Peace, exactly?

What did Arafat do?

571 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:42:45pm

re: #562 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

The Colonel

(Don't watch if Mel Gibson offends you)

thanks for that...very funny!

572 screaming_eagle  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:43:00pm

re: #565 ArmyWife

What has Obama done to promote Peace, exactly?

He was born. Do you really need him to do more?

/
//

573 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:43:05pm

re: #565 ArmyWife

What has Obama done to promote Peace, exactly?

He descended from Heaven to be the Prince of Peace, and walk among us. What more do you need?

574 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:44:30pm

I'm off to the movies. Later.

575 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:44:31pm

re: #571 albusteve

thanks for that...very funny!

"We're gonna need a bigger bucket."

/words to live by.

576 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:46:06pm

re: #569 monkeytime

How true. The Republicans were so busy being the over top "tolerant" spineless dumbasses all the while the Dems screamed "Nazi's" at them. The louder they screamed "NAZI" and harrassed our soldiers and behaved like spoiled 3 year olds, the more the GOP's caved and restrained and set out to prove how tolerant they could be. The libs were the horrid, intolerant bullies that they accused the Republicans of being. The old hippies and peace loving ex terrorists took the country for ride and it ain't over.

You sure got that right. Just proves that you have to confront lies, every goddammed place you meet them. If you don't, they really do become the truth.
Goddammed Republicans need to stop being such a bunch of Pollyannas. Somebody sneak in and spike their water with some testosterone......

577 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:46:31pm

re: #563 Killian Bundy

Good grief.
What the hell has Obama done for world peace.....or for anything?
Are they trying to make the Nobel Peace Prize a laughing stock?
Why don't they just pick somebody like Arafat then?


.............oh, wait.......

578 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:47:23pm

Hey is Francisco Franco still dead?

579 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:47:55pm

re: #5 Kosh's Shadow

I can see the finger of G-d making stars.
Well, figuratively.

Anyone who thinks science doesn't improve your view of G-d has a limited understanding of either science or religion.

Galileo said it better than I ever could:

"Mathematics is alphabet is which God has written the universe."

Simple, pious, and loving science as well as God.

580 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:48:45pm

re: #578 ConservatismNow!

No more than Robert Byrd, really. :)
But then, who could be deader?

581 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:49:02pm

Later lizaaards. Gotta run. Keep your powder dry.

582 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:49:30pm

re: #566 Charles

Is he still predicting civil war?

583 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:49:36pm

Gorgeous!

Evening all!

584 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:50:00pm

re: #562 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

The Colonel

(Don't watch if Mel Gibson offends you)

I've got to kill all the geese!
Capt. Sully Sullenberger

Great stuff!

585 thefallingman  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:50:15pm

re: #567 HoosierHoops
Who's a goodboy, Cujo? Who's a goodboy? Is it Cujo? Is it Cujo? Is it...shit my arm!

586 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:50:26pm

re: #578 ConservatismNow!

Hey is Francisco Franco still dead?

I believe yes, he is valiantly holding on in is fight to remain dead.

587 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:50:59pm

Am too lazy to read the thread...what have I missed? Is this the FNDT?

588 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:51:21pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

Killgore, what the heck is your avatar? It's kind of frightening, yet I can't stop staring at it.

589 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:52:05pm
590 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:52:12pm

re: #588 ConservatismNow!

Hitchens' head on Buddha's body.

591 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:52:18pm

re: #588 ConservatismNow!

Killgore, what the heck is your avatar? It's kind of frightening, yet I can't stop staring at it.

hahaha!....freaky eh?...I love it

592 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:52:46pm

re: #579 Dark_Falcon

Galileo said it better than I ever could:

"Mathematics is alphabet is which God has written the universe."

Simple, pious, and loving science as well as God.

Yea you try saying that and having the Catholic church bust down your door and threaten to F'n kill you if you didn't take it all back..
I guess having a scientist/Astronomer job title in those days pretty much sucked

593 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:52:59pm

re: #566 Charles

Anyone watching Beck melt down on O'Reilly?

Huh, sorry I missed it. I got to see the Mouseketiers!

594 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:53:25pm

re: #587 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Am too lazy to read the thread...what have I missed? Is this the FNDT?

If it isn't we're drinking for nothing.

595 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:53:25pm

re: #563 Killian Bundy

Record number of Peace Prize contenders this year, says Nobel Institute

/there are other candidates besides Obama?

I'm sure every member of Hamas, or at least their leaders, have been nominated; all their Jew-hating animals from their kid's show; probably Hugo Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Mugabe, but I doubt if they'd accept the nomination of a single Israeli.

596 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:53:42pm

re: #589 Iron Fist

Burn Notice taught me that it takes roughly 5 seconds to pull a concealed firearm.

597 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:54:02pm

re: #594 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

If it isn't we're drinking for nothing.

Oh good...I'm drinking too. The usual merlot.

How are ya, Vet?

598 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:54:34pm

re: #475 JimInMN

SOT does anyone know if that is a star or a planet next to the moon tonight to those with clear skies? My Dad always said if it blinks its a star if it is solid it is a planet. This appears from my angle to be a solid light.

Comet Lunin. Google it.

599 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:54:56pm

re: #595 Kosh's Shadow

I'm sure every member of Hamas, or at least their leaders, have been nominated; all their Jew-hating animals from their kid's show; probably Hugo Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Mugabe, but I doubt if they'd accept the nomination of a single Israeli.

Well if Teh One isn't nominated, there will be hell to pay!
/

600 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:54:58pm

re: #590 Killgore Trout

Hitchens' head on Buddha's body.

I thought it was Hitchens when he did that spa article for Vanity Fair.

601 HypnoToad  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:55:37pm

Venus and the Moon are a beautiful pair in a pink sky here in So Cal at the moment. They fit nicely into the field of a 1000mm lens.

Last tuesday, I was showing Venus to a crowd at an elementary school science night, It was amazing how many thought it was the Moon. :( "Well, its moon shaped" ... "I didn't realize the Moon was so small" .... Wonder what they are thinking tonight.

602 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:55:46pm

re: #599 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Well if Teh One isn't nominated, there will be hell to pay!
/

I'm sure he was nominated. I was just giving some others.
Watch him get the award, just as the US is attacked.
/I hope not - to both

603 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:55:47pm

re: #597 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Oh good...I'm drinking too. The usual merlot.

How are ya, Vet?

Doing well... got my sea legs back after driving back and forth to try to go to the Chicago Tea Party. Long story short, had to abort due to icy roads.

604 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:56:33pm

re: #601 HypnoToad

Venus and the Moon are a beautiful pair in a pink sky here in So Cal at the moment. They fit nicely into the field of a 1000mm lens.

Last tuesday, I was showing Venus to a crowd at an elementary school science night, It was amazing how many thought it was the Moon. :( "Well, its moon shaped" ... "I didn't realize the Moon was so small" .... Wonder what they are thinking tonight.

And Venus goes through phases, like the Moon. That was Galileo's confirming evidence that the planets orbit the Sun, not the Earth.

605 monkeytime  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:56:53pm

re: #595 Kosh's Shadow

I'm sure every member of Hamas, or at least their leaders, have been nominated; all their Jew-hating animals from their kid's show; probably Hugo Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Mugabe, but I doubt if they'd accept the nomination of a single Israeli.


Don't forget Bill Ayers and Rev Wright.

606 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:57:12pm

re: #601 HypnoToad

Venus and the Moon are a beautiful pair in a pink sky here in So Cal at the moment. They fit nicely into the field of a 1000mm lens.

Last tuesday, I was showing Venus to a crowd at an elementary school science night, It was amazing how many thought it was the Moon. :( "Well, its moon shaped" ... "I didn't realize the Moon was so small" .... Wonder what they are thinking tonight.

I just came in from looking at it...lovely.

607 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:57:21pm

re: #589 Iron Fist

thats why we do drive bys, sheeesh.

608 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:57:24pm

re: #566 Charles

Anyone watching Beck melt down on O'Reilly?

* * *
Do Tell! I switched to watch Charles Krauthammer disembowel Nina Totenheimer on PBS--calling Obama's speech "Obama's Manifesto" the other night before Congress.

Touche, Krauthammer.

609 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:57:26pm

re: #605 monkeytime

Don't forget Bill Ayers and Rev Wright.

You're right! G-d damn! How could I forget those?

610 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:57:27pm

Niall Ferguson Lecture: ‘There will be blood’

Niall Ferguson, noted economic historian, author, and Harvard Professor outlined the next steps in the current “Great Recession” to a packed Canada 2020 Speakers Series crowd on Monday 23 February.

He coins the term, "the Wiley Coyote Effect".

611 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:57:56pm

re: #602 Kosh's Shadow

I'm sure he was nominated. I was just giving some others.
Watch him get the award, just as the US is attacked.
/I hope not - to both

Dittos.

Sadly I think the latter is inevitable.

612 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:58:02pm
613 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:58:40pm

re: #603 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Doing well... got my sea legs back after driving back and forth to try to go to the Chicago Tea Party. Long story short, had to abort due to icy roads.

I'm sorry to hear you missed it, but we'd rather you stay safe. Looks like there was a nice turn out, though!

614 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:59:02pm

re: #22 freedombilly

I bet if we put every dollar in Obama's new budget end to end we could reach the Orion nebula.

Well, not quite. The budget is 3.55 trillion, though there may be an odd trillion here and there that got left out by accident. We could only get 1/twenty-millionth of the way to Orion, stringing dollar bills end to end.

Now, to be optimistic, if we only had Zimbabwe's Zimdollar budget in 1 zimdollar banknotes, we could reach Orion. Shoot for the stars, Obama!

615 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:59:48pm

re: #612 Iron Fist

He ended the awful Chimpy McHalliburton Bushitler totalitarian dictatorship that has been stifling dissent across the benighted States of Amer-i-KKKa, and freed the unicorns from Darkness. In addition to walking on the water, curing the diseased, and making the blind to see.

Freed the unicorns? I still haven't gotten my frickin unicorn!

616 summergurl  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:00:18pm

re: #608 alegrias

* * *
Do Tell! I switched to watch Charles Krauthammer disembowel Nina Totenheimer on PBS--calling Obama's speech "Obama's Manifesto" the other night before Congress.

Touche, Krauthammer.

Beck, it seems, is melting down every time I hear him these days

617 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:00:23pm

re: #615 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Freed the unicorns? I still haven't gotten my frickin unicorn!

I got mine. It was delicious. I'll give Reine the recipe for the next lizard cookbook.
/do I need to?

618 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:00:28pm

re: #613 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm sorry to hear you missed it, but we'd rather you stay safe. Looks like there was a nice turn out, though!

Well, we were going slow enough that there was no safety problem, but sitting in the ditch waiting for a tow truck didn't sound like a good use of valuable time.

619 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:00:46pm

re: #576 LGoPs

You sure got that right. Just proves that you have to confront lies, every goddammed place you meet them. If you don't, they really do become the truth.
Goddammed Republicans need to stop being such a bunch of Pollyannas. Somebody sneak in and spike their water with some testosterone......

* * * *
The electorate stopped buying the New York Times and other lying liars' B.S., how's that for testosterone? Hit libs in their wallets, make them bankrupt.

620 JimInMN  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:01:05pm

re: #598 rawmuse

Wrong it is venus other side of the sky from the comet.

621 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:01:22pm

re: #592 HoosierHoops

Yea you try saying that and having the Catholic church bust down your door and threaten to F'n kill you if you didn't take it all back..
I guess having a scientist/Astronomer job title in those days pretty much sucked

Actually, that's a bit simplistic. The Church was actually divided about what to do about him. He had friends in the clergy which why he was not tortured and why his books were not proscribed. No one thought Galileo a real heretic either, it was more a matter of his works embarrassing high-ranking clergy.

622 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:02:31pm

re: #616 summergurl

Beck, it seems, is melting down every time I hear him these days

Well he has a point in as far as it's better to be prepared for the worst. If the worst happens then you aren't taken by surprise and you don't panic.

623 thefallingman  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:02:59pm

re: #589 Iron Fist
A cop, yes. But a criminal might walk up behind you and pop you in the back from 30 feet. I'm just saying your friend had good reason to be nervous despite who he is.

624 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:03:13pm

re: #592 HoosierHoops

Yea you try saying that and having the Catholic church bust down your door and threaten to F'n kill you if you didn't take it all back..
I guess having a scientist/Astronomer job title in those days pretty much sucked

* ** *
Remember Christopher Columbus' applied astronomy & math -- with funding from the Catholic Monarchs of Spain-- to voyage to the New World for "research"!

625 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:03:22pm

re: #618 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Well, we were going slow enough that there was no safety problem, but sitting in the ditch waiting for a tow truck didn't sound like a good use of valuable time.

Sounds like a waste of time to me too...

626 HypnoToad  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:04:29pm

re: #604 Kosh's Shadow

And Venus goes
through phases, like the Moon. That was Galileo's confirming evidence
that the planets orbit the Sun, not the Earth.

400 years later, and most people do not understand that on a gut level. I have taught astronomy for thirty years and have learned to never be surprized by the scientific ignorance of the general public.

627 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:05:40pm
628 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:05:46pm

re: #621 Dark_Falcon

Nevertheless he was put under house arrest till the end of his days, which must have pretty much sucked!

629 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:07:34pm

re: #628 Jimmah

Nevertheless he was put under house arrest till the end of his days, which must have pretty much sucked!

True, he was still treated unjustly.

630 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:08:02pm

test

631 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:09:43pm
Beck, it seems, is melting down every time I hear him these days

* * * *
He is VOCALIZING our angst like an actor on the stage or on a tightrope wire in the circus. I don't mind his theatrics, they are therapeutic.

Beck pointed out yesterday that Obama had earmarks larded into this latest budget, from when he was a Senator Obama from Chicago! Minutes later Beck got a note saying Obama's name would be struck from the earmarks Obama made as a Senator. The porkbarrel Obama earmarks would stay, however.

Sometimes people who point out the Emperor has no clothes are like the voice crying out in the wilderness. I don't mind, but respect their courage. We need whistleblowers.

632 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:10:28pm

re: #627 Iron Fist

Knife fights are nasty anyways. You have to be incredibly well trained AND experienced to come away from a knife fight without a wound of some kind. I'd much rather plug someone from 10 yards.

633 psyop  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:10:30pm

Our galaxy freakin' rules.

634 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:11:20pm

re: #504 Pietr

Did it? It has never been tested by the SCOTUS! The agreement was made-Lincoln used War Powers....any Law types wanna take this on.....:>)). Texas has WRITTEN Proof.....just so ya' know.....

I'll bring this back up again-because ABE L. used the constitution to stop "Seccessionist States"-States wirh no legal rights to seccede-Texas was LEGAL, and ole Abe over-rode our state rights, with war powers and FORCE! Our Constitution-our joining the Union-was violated in the Civil War! We had those RIGHTS then-and still have them. I still invite any Legal Eagles to weigh in. Texas has Rights that are still valid-DESPITE illegal actions in the "War between the States".....read up on that, please... I'd still rather subdivide into 5 states, as allowed, and take the Senate back befor 2010.....Any help here?

635 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:12:19pm

re: #632 ConservatismNow!

Knife fights are nasty anyways. You have to be incredibly well trained AND experienced to come away from a knife fight without a wound of some kind. I'd much rather plug someone from 10 yards.

Knives are a weapon that if you pull one and aren't an expert, you have a 50% chance you'll be the one that gets stuck.

Being an expert doesn't change that probability as much as you might hope.

636 psyop  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:12:27pm

re: #632 ConservatismNow!

Knife fights are nasty anyways. You have to be incredibly well trained AND experienced to come away from a knife fight without a wound of some kind. I'd much rather plug someone from 10 yards.

"First rule of a knife fight: You will be cut, accept it, move on, and fight to win."

-An NCO of mine (no further explanation).

637 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:12:44pm

re: #579 Dark_Falcon

Galileo said it better than I ever could:

"Mathematics is the alphabet is which God has written the universe."

Simple, pious, and loving science as well as God.

PIMF

638 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:14:28pm

re: #631 alegrias

Seemed to me more like a youtube rant than a serious television commentary. And - "Shakespeare would do it!" - what the hell was that about? Did that actually relate to anything or was it as random as it seemed?

639 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:19:26pm

re: #638 Jimmah

Seemed to me more like a youtube rant than a serious television commentary. And - "Shakespeare would do it!" - what the hell was that about? Did that actually relate to anything or was it as random as it seemed?

* * *
Sorry I may not have heard the exchange to which you refer.

But is Beck supposed to be a serious tv commentator, instead of an entertaining, stream-of-consciousness performance artist with opinions & ideas?

640 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:21:35pm

re: #639 alegrias

* * *
Sorry I may not have heard the exchange to which you refer.

But is Beck supposed to be a serious tv commentator, instead of an entertaining, stream-of-consciousness performance artist with opinions & ideas?

He's pretty good at the latter. Much more interesting to listen to than Hannity.

/at first, I thought his schtick was over the top, but it's grown on me.

641 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:22:27pm

re: #626 HypnoToad

400 years later, and most people do not understand that on a gut level. I have taught astronomy for thirty years and have learned to never be surprized by the scientific ignorance of the general public.

I only teach part-time at an online university, but I have the same experience.

642 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:23:27pm
643 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:25:24pm

re: #505 brookly red

Yes, very serious. But don't worry too much about it, you don't flash cash in public, you don't flash jewelery in public, & now you don't smoke in public.

When we get out of the car, in front of the building where the kids live? We keep looking out of the window (they are on the first floor of a 3-story walkup, over 100 years old) to see if the car is still there. And my husband is from Brooklyn while I am from Boston. I studied at a hospital in Brooklyn for my RN, and now? We really feel like we are in a foreign country, it has changed so much.

There are areas we would not go to in the daytime! Midwood still seems OK, but we see a lot of members of the cult of Islam there when we go to a kosher butcher there. They seem to think that the whole sidewalk belongs to them.

644 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:25:53pm

re: #596 ConservatismNow!

Burn Notice taught me that it takes roughly 5 seconds to pull a concealed firearm.

Where the hell is it concealed? Somewhere in the backyard. Your underwear?
You're obviously inexperienced with concealed firearms carry. A serious concealed weapon carrier dresses for concealment of, and access to, his or her weapon. Stephen Hawking can pull a concealed firearm in less than 5 seconds.

645 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:28:07pm

re: #644 M. Bensson-Levi

Stephen Hawking can pull a concealed firearm in less than 5 seconds.

Making for one hell of a lot of PPV throw down action!

646 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:33:13pm

re: #642 Iron Fist

As a practical matter, when I hear that someone is an experienced knife fighter my antennea come up. You don't get in a terribly lot of knife fights no matter how good you are. If you get in enough knife fights, someone will kill you in one. I was always taught to see myself as the under-dog. Everyone I'd fight would be faster than me, stronger than me, better armed than me, just plain better than me.

So I'd best start cheating early, and cheat often. I never want to fight a fair fight. That may have its place in MMA cage fights, but it has no place on the street.

My martial Arts instructor taught me that everyone gets hurt in a knife fight. Just depends on who bleeds out first.

647 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:35:36pm

Greenhouse Gas!

648 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:37:00pm

How can any one who sees the pics from the Hubble and still thinks this little ball of rock and dirt and water we call home is the only place in the universe that has life?

649 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:41:56pm
650 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:42:49pm

re: #644 M. Bensson-Levi

Stephen Hawking has laser cannons built into his wheelchair. Bad example. And did I say I was experienced with concealed carry? Didn't I JUST say that I saw that on a tv show in what you quoted me?

651 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:44:00pm

I still want some response-and won't intrude on the next thread. Anyone with Legal Knowledge?

re: #456 Pietr

According to our articles of incorporation-we can leave the USA-as an Independent state-or become 5 STATES now, and affect the 2010 elections, majorly. I favor the latter, but will go with the former, if given no better choice...

Texas

has

Rules....

Pietr

re: #474 OldLineTexan

Pietr, the American Civil War rewrote and replaced the treaty of 1845.

re: #504 Pietr

Did it? It has never been tested by the SCOTUS! The agreement was made-Lincoln used War Powers....any Law types wanna take this on.....:>)). Texas has WRITTEN Proof.....just so ya' know.....

re: #634 Pietr

I'll bring this back up again-because ABE L. used the Constitution to stop "Seccessionist States"-States wirh no legal rights to seccede-Texas was LEGAL, and ole Abe over-rode our state rights, with war powers and FORCE! Our Constitution-our joining the Union-was violated in the Civil War! We had those RIGHTS then-and still have them. I still invite any Legal Eagles to weigh in. Texas has Rights that are still valid-DESPITE illegal actions in the "War between the States".....read up on that, please... I'd still rather subdivide into 5 states, as allowed, and take the Senate back befor 2010.....Any help here?

652 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:52:31pm

re: #639 alegrias

But is Beck supposed to be a serious tv commentator, instead of an entertaining, stream-of-consciousness performance artist with opinions & ideas?

Let's hope not, I guess.

653 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:54:17pm

re: #649 Iron Fist

That's the most practical mindset to have. It isn't necessarily always true, though. You've got people like Angel Cabales and Remy Presas out there (well, they are no longer out there, but you get my point). I'm certainly not there, though.

Knives are one thing to watch out for. I love these little pocket clip knives that have become popular in the last ten or fifteen years, but, once you start looking for them, they seem to be just about everywhere.

It is best to just assume that anyone you mix it up with is going to have a knife and/or a gun. It'll be true often enouogh.

Correct. I learned that with a 2.5 inch blade one can do a lot of damage.

654 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:54:20pm

re: #642 Iron Fist

Funny how things happen. When I was a young man, I studied fencing under a 3 time, 3 weapon (foil, epee, and saber) gold medal Olympic champion. I was young, quick, agile, and pretty damned good. Never been in a knife fight in my life. Been stabbed twice. Both straight penetrations about 3" - 3 1/2". The one in my thigh caused absolutely no pain at all, didn't even know I had been stabbed. All it felt like was like a cup of coffee had been spilled on my leg, the heat of my blood. I didn't react, except in puzzlement, until I saw the blood.

The second time was in the upper right chest. Broke a rib. Hurt like hell. Partially collapsed a lung before the wound could be sealed (sucking chest wound...it really did suck). The actual wound healed faster, and gave me less trouble than the broken rib.
Both were surprise attacks. Both times I made out better than the knife wielder.

These days I never close distance unless I absolutely have to, and never, NEVER, do so casually. 'Course my days of mixin' it up are pretty much over...I hope.

655 Aye Pod  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:56:40pm

re: #639 alegrias

Sorry I may not have heard the exchange to which you refer.

It was this one here:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

656 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:57:25pm

re: #645 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hey guy,

PPV? Pay Per View? Not Know PPV. 'Splain please.

657 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:58:31pm

re: #649 Iron Fist

I remember reading about an Oregon State Trooper that had a run in with a man the had two knives. Seems the OST got cut pretty bad before he finally shot the guy.

Oh, another thought. If it takes 2.5 seconds to pull from concealed, how much distance can a man with a knife, baseball bat, crowbar, etc etc cover?

658 stevieray  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:58:36pm

re: #610 Kenneth

Niall Ferguson Lecture: ‘There will be blood’

Niall Ferguson, noted economic historian, author, and Harvard Professor outlined the next steps in the current “Great Recession” to a packed Canada 2020 Speakers Series crowd on Monday 23 February.

He coins the term, "the Wiley Coyote Effect".

Thanks for the link. I generally agree with much of what he says.

I'm halfway through the video now... he is right about the coming crisis of Eastern Europe, and it will likely bring down the Austrian and German banks.

659 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:07:13pm

re: #649 Iron Fist

Iron fist, check out this martial arts site.

[Link: www.fightingstyles.com...]

660 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:12:00pm

re: #657 Steve

I remember reading about an Oregon State Trooper that had a run in with a man the had two knives. Seems the OST got cut pretty bad before he finally shot the guy.

Oh, another thought. If it takes 2.5 seconds to pull from concealed, how much distance can a man with a knife, baseball bat, crowbar, etc etc cover?

I have to stand still, like an idiot?

661 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:24:10pm

re: #660 OldLineTexan

I have to stand still, like an idiot?

I've been cut-and had no weapon in that fight-the cutter dropped his switch blade and ran away! My blood, squirting in his face, scared him! I gave the switchblade to my younger sister, a few days later. I've faced a few knives, and come off healthy-but I always called it luck. I was a GREAT knife thrower-but never did so in a fight-I was taught to never give an enemy a weapon......true fact.....and I obeyed my teaching and instinct...I'll be 62 this year.

662 Caboose  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:02:00pm

I am an electronic music aficionado and there is a beautiful piece of music by Nemesis, a couple of Finnish electronic wizards, from their hard-to-get masterpiece GIGAHERZ that goes marvelously with stargazing and watching fireworks. The song is called "Nautilus" and I have been trying to find a link to the tune, but all I have found is a short sample at CDBaby linked to above (I'm surprised that they have the CD in stock; price is a bit high but I paid more than what they are asking for, so this is a deal!). The brief sample certainly doesn't do the tune justice, but the music and these images go so well together that if you like this sort of music, check these fine musicians out. The title track is a winner, too; a spritely piece of electronic music that is just joyful to listen to. Enjoy!

663 LGoPs  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:15:44pm

re: #642 Iron Fist

As a practical matter, when I hear that someone is an experienced knife fighter my antennea come up. You don't get in a terribly lot of knife fights no matter how good you are. If you get in enough knife fights, someone will kill you in one. I was always taught to see myself as the under-dog. Everyone I'd fight would be faster than me, stronger than me, better armed than me, just plain better than me.

So I'd best start cheating early, and cheat often. I never want to fight a fair fight. That may have its place in MMA cage fights, but it has no place on the street.

''There ain't no rules in a knife fight''
- Harvey Logan

664 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:24:21pm
665 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:17pm
666 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:50:54pm
667 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:58:24pm

Ahh -- its the nice thread.

668 Alone in NY  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 5:25:43am

If I am reading this correctly, Elliot Spitzer is responsible for burnt toast and auto exhaust.

669 pupdawg  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 12:19:51pm

...I think I see a star space angel in flight.


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