Holocaust-Denying Bishop May Be Arrested in Germany

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The “Bishop” Richard Williamson Holocaust denial story is not going away: Bishop’s apology for Holocaust denial fails to placate Vatican and Germany.

BISHOP RICHARD Williamson, whose denial of the Holocaust provoked an international outcry, could face further problems in Germany and in his strained relations with the Holy See despite his apology on Thursday for those comments.

Yesterday the Vatican’s senior spokesman Fr Federico Lombardi appeared to reject the bishop’s apology and German justice minister Brigitte Zypries said Germany might issue an arrest warrant for the bishop on hate crime charges. Given that the ultra-traditionalist bishop made Holocaust-denial comments in a recent Swedish TV interview, recorded in Germany, he could be prosecuted in Germany where it is a crime to deny the Holocaust.

For much of the last two months, Pope Benedict XVI has struggled to contain the international outcry prompted by his decision to lift the 1988 excommunication of four “Lefebvre” bishops, including Bishop Williamson, all members of the ultra-traditionalist Society of Saint Pius X, founded in 1970 by French bishop Marcel Lefebrve. The Vatican claimed that Pope Benedict was unaware of the bishop’s controversial views when he lifted his excommunication.

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1186 comments
1 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:00:10pm

He really needs to be tossed under the bus.

2 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:00:22pm

Proverbially- of course!

3 Summer Seale  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:00:25pm

I read this on NPR earlier.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

4 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:00:38pm

Not to worry..If he gets arrested Mel Gibson will bail him out.
/

5 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:00:43pm

Ohhhh...goody!

He gives a bad name to Catholics.

6 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:00:56pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

He really needs to be tossed under the busPopemobile.

7 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:01:05pm

not sure this is a good idea....brings more attention to a bad situation that should have gone away a long time ago

8 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:01:09pm

re: #3 Summer

I read earlier the Vatican was rejecting the apology, and they should.

9 summergurl  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:02:46pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

I read earlier the Vatican was rejecting the apology, and they should.

Too bad they didn't reject Pelosi -

10 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:03:29pm

re: #9 summergurl

Too bad they didn't reject Pelosi -

Speaker Smirky.

11 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:04:03pm

How many Hail Mary's do you have to say as a penance for denying the Holocaust? The mind boggles.

12 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:05:40pm

re: #11 HelloDare

How many Hail Mary's do you have to say as a penance for denying the Holocaust? The mind boggles.

And does one bypass purgatory and go straight to Hell? After all. he's denying the slaughter of God's Chosen People! Isn't this the same as aligning yourself with Satan?

13 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:06:06pm

re: #7 albusteve

not sure this is a good idea....brings more attention to a bad situation that should have gone away a long time ago

I don't like it either, but for a different reason. I don't like laws that infringe upon freedom of speech. Richard Williamson should be free to deny the Holocaust. But other people should also be free to condemn him as liar and Jew-Hater. The answer to hateful speech is honest and honorable speech, nor censorship.

14 gettinby  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:07:51pm
The Vatican claimed that Pope Benedict was unaware of the bishop’s controversial views when he lifted his excommunication.

How could this be possible? Is the Vatican not "up to speed" on information or facts gathering?

15 Summer Seale  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:08:18pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

I read earlier the Vatican was rejecting the apology, and they should.

Yea to their credit, the Vatican basically slammed him for his non-apology "apology". I think they realize more and more what a disaster this asshole is for them.

There was an NPR story yesterday about somebody who was in seminary with him in the states, and how Williamson would mock Jews and make jokes about people with "Jewish sounding names" and tell them that they were late for the gas chambers etc.... horrific stuff.

16 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:08:28pm

Interesting and descriptive anagram for Richard Williamson:

A Shrill Mini Coward

17 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:08:49pm

re: #14 gettinby

How could this be possible? Is the Vatican not "up to speed" on information or facts gathering?

The TV interview where he said that had not yet been broadcast when the decision was made.

18 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:09:08pm

re: #16 karmic_inquisitor

Interesting and descriptive anagram for Richard Williamson:

A Shrill Mini Coward

I like it!

19 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:09:09pm

re: #11 HelloDare

How many Hail Mary's do you have to say as a penance for denying the Holocaust? The mind boggles.

There aren't enough Hail Mary's in the universe . . .

20 Drained Brain  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:11:02pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

I don't like it either, but for a different reason. I don't like laws that infringe upon freedom of speech. Richard Williamson should be free to deny the Holocaust. But other people should also be free to condemn him as liar and Jew-Hater. The answer to hateful speech is honest and honorable speech, nor censorship.

Well said!

21 summergurl  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:12:07pm

slow thread - I guess there isn't much more we can say - we all know the Bishop is an asshat

22 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:12:16pm

re: #14 gettinby

How could this be possible? Is the Vatican not "up to speed" on information or facts gathering?

I think there were some back room politics involved in this..Some connections to the Vatican..a new pope..Let the healing begin...
Honestly.. I don't think His Holiness had any idea he was about to touch an electric wire.. He got shocked...

23 gettinby  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:12:21pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

The TV interview where he said that had not yet been broadcast when the decision was made.

Thanks.

I just couldn't imagine that they wouldn't know this at some point.

24 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:12:25pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

I updinged you for that, but I still despise that POS.

25 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:12:45pm

Was he quiet about his beliefs until recently? People must have known. The guy's a bishop. He's been around. Promoted. But then, look at how many pedophiles hung around. The Roman Catholic Church needs a new Human Resources manager. A secular lesbian would be a nice fit.

26 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:12:46pm

Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?

27 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:12:49pm

Yes, but wife-beheading moslems go free in Germany.

Because it would be Hate Speech to point out "Honor Killings" are anything BUT honorable.

Way to go, chicken shits.

28 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:13:25pm

re: #24 brookly red

I updinged you for that, but I still despise that POS.

same brookly

29 jones  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:13:57pm

Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice and a boot in the ass for thee.

30 alegrias  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:14:08pm

re: #26 MandyManners

Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?

* * **
Wasn't that Martin Luther?

31 jones  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:14:48pm

How many Hail Marys? As many as you want, but the are useless until you are sorry for what you have done. Which he is apparently stumbling on.

32 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:15:02pm

re: #30 alegrias

* * **
Wasn't that Martin Luther?

No. Think England.

33 jones  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:15:10pm

30-
Thomas a Becket.

34 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:17:00pm

re: #30 alegrias

* * **
Wasn't that Martin Luther?

Becket.

35 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:17:01pm
Bishop Williamson, who returned to Britain this week after being expelled from Argentina, said: “I can truthfully say that I regret having made such remarks, and that if I had known beforehand the full harm and hurt to which they would give rise, especially to the church, but also to survivors and relatives of victims of injustice under the Third Reich, I would not have made them.”

I think there's something to be said here in the vein of european crypto-fascism. See- he's sorry he's said this publicly, not for the thoughts and opinions that he has. Like the crypto-fascists, he's learned that in his society it the speech not the ideology that's the issue and he must hide, all while ignoring the root source which is his very thinking. At least- that's what the fascists think is the issue. Hate speech laws help give rise to this. They try to gag the bigoted speech but it only helps bigots conceal their ugly nature. Because I could really give two shits about what this man says- it's what he thinks that's really offensive.

36 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:17:04pm

night lizards

37 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:17:24pm

re: #24 brookly red

I updinged you for that, but I still despise that POS.

So do I. But a law used to silence a asshat today, might just as easily be used to silence me a week from now. Better to not have such laws. But you are right to call Williamson a piece of shit. He's on the same level as fjordman and Gates of Vienna in supporting fascists.

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:17:31pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

He really needs to be tossed under the bus.

I think they're trying, but he is very sticky. Tar-bishop.

39 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:18:02pm

I am despise "hate crime laws", but I cannot think of a better application.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:18:57pm

re: #14 gettinby

How could this be possible? Is the Vatican not "up to speed" on information or facts gathering?

I can't imagine, knowing the history of the Vatican and SSPX, that they didn't do a full background.

41 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:19:29pm

It's of the utmost importance to not allow this evil crap to get mainstreamed by assholes like this bishop.

42 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:19:45pm

Oog, Huckabee is on Hannity. I'm going to watch Flashpoint instead.

43 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:20:23pm

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

They could have looked at their webpage. The Vatican knew, this wasn't a secret.

44 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:20:59pm

You pass a law that makes denying the Holocaust a crime and it's an easy step for some Muslims groups to lobby for making criticism of Islam a hate crime.

45 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:21:12pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

So do I. But a law used to silence a asshat today, might just as easily be used to silence me a week from now. Better to not have such laws. But you are right to call Williamson a piece of shit. He's on the same level as fjordman and Gates of Vienna in supporting fascists.

Skippy. AND I find laws restricting speech particularly creepy coming out of Germany.

46 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:21:38pm

I wonder if williamson's dined with filip yet.

47 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:22:46pm

re: #45 brookly red

Skippy. AND I find laws restricting speech particularly creepy coming out of Germany.

As do I. Hitler may have been defeated, but Germany still adheres to collectivism, to its immense disadvantage.

48 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:23:00pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

I wonder if williamson's dined with filip yet.

Seems they'd have plenty of points of agreement enough over a meal.....

49 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:23:05pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

I wonder if williamson's dined with filip yet.

filip?

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:23:14pm

re: #39 BatGuano

I am despise "hate crime laws", but I cannot think of a better application.

This isn't a 'hate crime', by U.S. standards. But for Germany this is a very specific and very hard issue. They've got stuff they're working out.

And no one affected by these laws has been anyone I could bother to run over if they were on fire...

51 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:23:24pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

filip dewinter

52 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:23:49pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

Oog, Huckabee is on Hannity. I'm going to watch Flashpoint instead.

I'm watching LOTR.

53 june_july  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:24:04pm

I think arresting the guy is wrong.

Those with a principled stand on free speech would argue he can say whatever he wants. I do not believe he has crossed the line to inciting violence. He may be an antisemitic POS, but that's not a crime, nor should it be. Better to let the racists and assholes reveal themselves publicly. People still have the right to be assholes, ignorant, or racist. And we have the right to marginalize them and mock them. It need go no further, and in the marketplace of ideas the truth always wins eventually.

This is an internal church matter - as their representative he has disgraced the church, and should be appropriately disciplined. But I do not believe it is a police matter. Any more than I believe "islamophobia" is a crime.

If we want to keep the free speech to criticize the enemies of the West, we have to give it to all. Or, as has occurred in Canada, our own rules will be used to block criticism of our enemies.

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:24:15pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

They could have looked at their webpage. The Vatican knew, this wasn't a secret.

So what was B16 THINKING?

55 pegcity  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:24:37pm

so the vatican lets him off the hook then decides to toss him under the bus?

must be taking lessons from Obama

56 Summer Seale  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:25:21pm

Here is the story about Williamson from yesterday's NPR:

[Link: www.npr.org...]

They interview somebody who knew him years ago and saw him being as anti-Semitic as ever.

57 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:25:30pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

As do I. Hitler may have been defeated, but Germany still adheres to collectivism, to its immense disadvantage.

Execpt when it comes to Muslims... funny that.

58 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:25:40pm

re: #51 Sharmuta

filip dewinter

Who's he again?

59 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:26:09pm

Last night while browsing the web for images on an unrelated topic my fell upon one of my interests: WWII. Life Magazine has an extensive collection of photographs from that era and soon I was viewing images of Nazi German prisoners of war which led to concentration camps.

It reminded me well again of what took place and man's inhumanity to man.

Bodies laid like chord wood one atop each other; side by side.

The seeming coldness to which the participants moved the dead.

The madness of Eichman.

The loss and the pain of both the dead, and the living.

The Third Reich came to an end in 1945. However, the suffering continued for decades and for many to this day. It is understandable in light of this that Germany would react to those such as Richard Williamson.

Should you click on the links above they will lead you to some of the Life images. Be forewarned that you may find them to be rather disturbing.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:26:23pm

re: #57 brookly red

Execpt when it comes to Muslims... funny that.

They won't give their foreign workers citizenship, last I heard.

61 gettinby  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:26:33pm

Well, to me, in a nutshell...

He believes this and got caught at it.

He's sorry he was caught.

The Vatican is sorry they got caught up in this awfulness by him getting caught.

The Vatican is now doing the right thing to correct their mistake.

With regard to Germany, making "hate speech" a crime is, actually (imho), a crime.

/I hate lots of things.
//Remind me not to move to Germany.

62 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:26:47pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

It was some theological/political move to consolidate some of the more "traditional" factions in the Vatican.

63 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:27:22pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:28:00pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

It was some theological/political move to consolidate some of the more "traditional" factions in the Vatican.

Feh. So they've got a million followers, and a bad attitude. Apparently, they're also not going to be bought off with being brought back into the fold.

65 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:28:22pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

filip?

Filip Wilson: The Devil made me do it.

66 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:29:08pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Right. Germany has a special burden in the that regard and has instituted laws which try to reform what occurred in 30's and 40's i.e., the holocaust.
I do not think the hate crime laws are right for America.

67 Syrah  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:29:28pm

OT: My Lizard Cook Book Arrived.

68 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:29:31pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thank you, ma'am.

69 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:29:43pm

re: #56 Summer


They interview somebody who knew him years ago and saw him being as anti-Semitic as ever.

There is something seriously wrong with the Catholic Church to let this guy fester so long.

70 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:30:19pm

good... these child molesting, holocaust denying priests are disgusting

71 legalpad  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:30:34pm

Europe seems to be drifting more into this "thought crime" business. I think that's a bigger problem than holocaust denial.

72 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:31:01pm
73 Truck Monkey  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:31:49pm

re: #39 BatGuano

I am despise "hate crime laws", but I cannot think of a better application.

The "hate crimes" are so much worse than the "love crimes" now aren't they?

74 stevieray  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:32:05pm

re: #67 Syrah

OT: My Lizard Cook Book Arrived.

Mine too.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:32:11pm

re: #71 legalpad

Europe seems to be drifting more into this "thought crime" business. I think that's a bigger problem than holocaust denial.

How drifting? Germany's had these laws on the books quite a long time.

76 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:32:15pm

Hudson River Plane Landing (US Airways 1549) Animation with Audio

77 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:32:35pm

It's amusing to watch Germans use Nazi tactics to stamp out Nazis.

Perhaps they are also familiar with the concept of "destroying the village to save it".

78 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:32:56pm

re: #70 winston06

good... these child molesting, holocaust denying priests are disgusting

What? The two groups over-lap?

79 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:33:28pm

re: #70 winston06

good... these child molesting, holocaust denying priests are disgusting

Winston, we have been down this road before, unless you have proof of child molestation, I respectfully ask you to stand down.

80 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:36:54pm

re: #76 Racer X

Hudson River Plane Landing (US Airways 1549) Animation with Audio

Did you see this right after it. Hilarious.

Christian Bale Helps Land the Hudson River Plane

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:36:58pm

re: #78 MandyManners

What? The two groups over-lap?

Without making any accusations, I'm going to go out on a limb here--if officials of the Church such as the Archbishop of Boston were knowingly covering up child abuse, I have NO faith in SSPX and their followers' dealing appropriately with such matters. None.

82 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:37:16pm

re: #70 winston06

Dude, you occasionally post interesting stuff here. And other times you are just an ass.

83 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:37:49pm

re: #76 Racer X

That's Spinoff worthy.

84 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:38:24pm

re: #80 HelloDare

LOL!

85 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:38:47pm

Send his denying ass to Aushwitz for a day or a week. Let him reflect on the total fool he is.

86 bse5150  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:40:03pm

If this guy wants to ramble on like an idiot, the Church should defrock him publicly and immediately and everyone should ignore him. But arresting him because he disagrees with others views on the Holocaust is wrong. People should be able to say what they want. We're beginning to lose that right here in America with the militant Left trying to shut down anyone they disagree with.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:40:29pm

re: #85 pingjockey

Send his denying ass to Aushwitz for a day or a week. Let him reflect on the total fool he is.

Or, Angela Merkel could ask President Bush to give him a backrub.

88 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:40:41pm

re: #16 karmic_inquisitor

Interesting and descriptive anagram for Richard Williamson:

A Shrill Mini Coward

Inelegant but accurate:

Wild R.C. Shoah Liar Min.

89 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:41:23pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist
Heh.

90 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:42:09pm

Later folks.

91 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:42:24pm

re: #84 Racer X

LOL!

That's the best laugh I've had in a week.

92 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:42:43pm

re: #85 pingjockey

Send his denying ass to Aushwitz for a day or a week. Let him reflect on the total fool he is.

He thinks the Jews murdered there were no more than few tens of thousands and they died of things like 'influenza'. Bastard would just work his Nazi brain around the truth keep ranting. Oswald Mosley would be proud.

93 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:42:54pm

OT: I see in the paper that a few local legislators are having a town hall meeting. Even though these are democrats, I think I'll go and see what I can learn about any potential "academic freedom" bills.

94 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:43:49pm

re: #80 HelloDare

The Hudson river landing would have been funnier if it was flock of seagulls.

95 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:44:42pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

Without making any accusations, I'm going to go out on a limb here--if officials of the Church such as the Archbishop of Boston were knowingly covering up child abuse, I have NO faith in SSPX and their followers' dealing appropriately with such matters. None.

This is above my pay-grade.

96 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:45:31pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

He thinks the Jews murdered there were no more than few tens of thousands and they died of things like 'influenza'. Bastard would just work his Nazi brain around the truth keep ranting. Oswald Mosley would be proud.

it's gone on way too long...a fucked up deal and the Pope didnt handle it properly

97 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:46:44pm

Is Obummer advising the Pope these days?

This is beyond stupid(but so much is these days), Benedict should just excommunicate the SoB and be done with it.

Way to many stupid pills are being prescribed.

98 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:47:17pm

Even as quite a bad Catholic, I would like to see Williamson very publicly booted out of the Church for good.

99 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:48:05pm

re: #94 BatGuano

Just Heard the Christian Bale thing.Funny as hell.

100 saberry0530  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:49:05pm

Appeasing cock suckers one and all.

101 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:49:18pm
102 summergurl  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:49:23pm

re: #67 Syrah

OT: My Lizard Cook Book Arrived.

I have yet to order mine - will do it tomorrow --- gotta try some of those recipes...

103 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:50:01pm

re: #98 Ojoe

Even as quite a bad Catholic, I would like to see Williamson very publicly booted out of the Church for good.

the Church inadvertently has made this guy a millionaire by the time he writes his memoirs and does the neonazi radio and book signings...there is no justice in prolonging this circus

104 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:50:01pm

I asked this on another thread already, but again:

Who else thinks if Williamson were to switch pro forma from Jew-hater to anti-jihadist that he would quickly be Pamz and Robertz new BFF?

105 legalpad  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:50:18pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

How drifting? Germany's had these laws on the books quite a long time.

Oh, I guess I'm just thinking of news I keep hearing out of Britain, and I suppose the Bridgette Bardot story regarding the Muslims. Germany - of course you're right.

106 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:50:27pm
107 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:50:31pm

Springtime for Williamson, and Germany!
don't be stupid be a Smarty, come and join the Nazi party.

108 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:51:34pm

I have mixed feelings. As a Catholic I am glad that the conservative offshoot is returning to the Catholic fold. I am pleased that they as a group ex-communicated an Italian priest for his holocaust-denial. It shows that the Catholics generally acknowledge truth. And I am not sorry that the Pope removed the excommunication of the group of bishops thus paving the way for a reunification with Rome. Also. somehow, now Williamson is referred to as a bishop, which is wrong, he is not even a priest and that irritates me.
But my libertarian gut just abhors making idiotic speech, a crime. That f*ckhead deserves every bit of ridicule that we can heap on him, but once you make it a crime to be an idiot and speak your mind, where do you stop. How long before some jackboot legislative body makes it a crime to speak against 'gun control,' etc.

109 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:51:34pm
The Vatican claimed that Pope Benedict was unaware of the bishop’s controversial views when he lifted his excommunication.

Does the pope not have access to the Internet?

110 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:52:19pm

re: #109 MandyManners

Doubt it.

111 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:52:27pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

I asked this on another thread already, but again:

Who else thinks if Williamson were to switch pro forma from Jew-hater to anti-jihadist that he would quickly be Pamz and Robertz new BFF?

I do. He's already their ideological kin. Pam and the two Roberts: Discrediting the term 'anti-jihad', one goose-step at a time.

112 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:52:57pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

I asked this on another thread already, but again:

Who else thinks if Williamson were to switch pro forma from Jew-hater to anti-jihadist that he would quickly be Pamz and Robertz new BFF?

Good question.

113 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:53:35pm
114 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:53:50pm

re: #107 BatGuano

Springtime for Williamson, and Germany!
don't be stupid be a Smarty, come and join the Nazi party.

Why Germany? I've not read where it's approving of Williamson.

115 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:54:19pm

re: #110 ConservatismNow!

Doubt it.

really don't think so?...access?...the Pope can have anything he wants

116 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:54:43pm

re: #110 ConservatismNow!

Doubt it.

With the kind of money the Vatican has, you'd think it'd be on top of the Internet.

117 venomx  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:55:03pm

History revisionism,and Holocaust denial are vile,and ignorant.But arresting someone for thinking that way is kinda..nazi.

118 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:55:31pm

re: #109 MandyManners

Does the pope not have access to the Internet?

I know he has an iPope.

119 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:56:43pm

re: #116 MandyManners

With the kind of money the Vatican has, you'd think it'd be on top of the Internet.

You miter think so.

120 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:56:47pm

re: #114 MandyManners

Quit right. Not well thought out . I retract. Germany is against Williamson.

121 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:57:19pm

re: #113 ploome hineni

which priest was excommunicated ?

I will need to get the source. It was first brought to my attention by our parish priest with whom I was discussing this general issue.

122 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:58:02pm

re: #109 MandyManners

This strikes me as funny - I seriously can't picture the Pope googling members of his flock in an attempt to research a potential sordid past. That said, I am sure there are people support him who no doubt have internet access.

123 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:58:51pm

re: #118 HelloDare

I know he has an iPope.

re: #119 Cato the Elder

You miter think so.

Oh, you two!

124 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:00:12pm

re: #114 MandyManners

Why Germany? I've not read where it's approving of Williamson.

It's a joke on a line from The Producers. He probably didn't remove the word "Germany" so people would get reference.

125 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:00:16pm

re: #122 ArmyWife

This strikes me as funny - I seriously can't picture the Pope googling members of his flock in an attempt to research a potential sordid past. That said, I am sure there are people support him who no doubt have internet access.

it's one of the most vast, complex 'entities' in the world...of course they access the net...they gotta pay their credit cards off

126 HelloDare  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:00:58pm

re: #109 MandyManners

Does the pope not have access to the Internet?

He's on Twitter. He just tweeted that he was kneeling.

127 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:01:09pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Thank you.

128 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:01:12pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Oh, you two!

saint a good thing to pun about

129 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:01:13pm

re: #118 HelloDare

I know he has an iPope.

Its a Cardinal tool of his.

130 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:01:16pm
131 Deseeded  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:01:29pm

Wouldn't it be kick ass if Germany also threatened to arrest every schmuck Islamist assbag that denies the holocaust and prays for a new one?

I won't hold my breath.

132 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:01:45pm

re: #120 BatGuano

Quit right. Not well thought out . I retract. Germany is against Williamson.

It must be hard for decent Germans to deal with the past.

133 summergurl  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:01:52pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Good question.

They should have done a better job at vetting him

134 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:02:02pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

It's a joke on a line from The Producers. He probably didn't remove the word "Germany" so people would get the reference.

PIMF

135 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:02:05pm
136 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:02:48pm
137 WhiteRasta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:03:12pm

re: #131 Deseeded

Hear, Hear! Well said.

138 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:03:19pm

re: #135 ploome hineni

no one was ever excommunicated for denying the Holocaust

no one

excommunication breakdown...it's always the same

139 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:03:27pm

re: #118 HelloDare

The Vatican has a very good website, here it is:

Basically, the real Catholic website.

You may say this is the Pope's website.

140 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:03:45pm

re: #131 Deseeded

Wouldn't it be kick ass if Germany also threatened to arrest every schmuck Islamist assbag that denies the holocaust and prays for a new one?

I won't hold my breath.

verdammen Sie es, wo alle Taxis sind!

141 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:04:01pm

re: #122 ArmyWife

This strikes me as funny - I seriously can't picture the Pope googling members of his flock in an attempt to research a potential sordid past. That said, I am sure there are people support him who no doubt have internet access.

If the Vatican can have the Swiss Guard in those funky uniforms, why not some computer geeks in robes?

142 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:04:21pm
143 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:04:23pm

re: #109 MandyManners

The Vatican claimed that Pope Benedict was unaware of the bishop’s controversial views when he lifted his excommunication.

Does the pope not have access to the Internet?

I doubt he would have looked. The move was a general one to pave the way for the offshoot to return to the Catholic fold. None of the Bishops retained any of their official priestly duties. All were required to go through a series of steps to return to their former priestly duties. I haven't heard anything of the 'other ex-bishops' so I hope all is going well with them. Williamson deserves to be ex-communicated again just for his non-apology.

144 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:04:37pm

re: #103 albusteve

There is actually a lot of damage in prolonging it.

145 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:04:45pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

It's a joke on a line from The Producers. He probably didn't remove the word "Germany" so people would get reference.

Oh, I got it without. I just get some strange feelings when discussing this topic.

146 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:04:46pm
147 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:05:12pm

re: #126 HelloDare

He's on Twitter. He just tweeted that he was kneeling.

*sigh*

148 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:05:48pm

re: #128 albusteve

saint a good thing to pun about

When has that ever stopped Lizards?

149 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:06:42pm
150 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:06:43pm

re: #144 Ojoe

There is actually a lot of damage in prolonging it.

seems to me...and I'm a hayseed....I just believe in swift efficiency and this guy is laughing in the face of the Pope, who seems like s decent fellow

151 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:07:10pm

re: #135 ploome hineni

no one was ever excommunicated for denying the Holocaust

no one

As I said I will get you the source. It was the offshoot group that did it, not the Vatican/Catholic Church.

152 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:07:35pm

re: #146 ploome hineni

not a joke for me

nor should it be....no offense intended

153 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:07:50pm

re: #133 summergurl

They should have done a better job at vetting him

Why didn't they?!

154 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:08:56pm

re: #148 MandyManners

When has that ever stopped Lizards?

when my betters ask me not to

155 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:09:04pm

re: #132 MandyManners

Yes, the Germans are trying to do penance for what they did. They can't undo it, so they do what they can.

156 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:09:16pm

re: #141 MandyManners

I can picture it now - The Pope banging on the keyboard while screaming "Mary and Joseph! I keep getting the Whirling Circle of Death!"

(do I need to go to confession now?)

157 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:10:03pm

re: #133 summergurl

They should have done a better job at vetting him

No joke, vetting seems to be the way of the future... how does one become a vetter? I bet it pays good.

158 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:10:09pm

found this in my email account:

The 23 Obama Psalms

OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST,

I SHALL ALWAYS WANT MORE.

HE LEADETH ME BESIDE STILL FACTORIES.

HE RESTORETH MY FAITH IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

HE GUIDETH ME IN THE PATH OF UNEMPLOYMENT.

YEA, THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF SOCIAL REFORM,

I SHALL NOT GO HUNGRY.

HIS STIMULUS PACKAGE WORKETH TO RUIN,

OBAMA HAS ANOINTED MY INCOME WITH TAXES,

MY EXPENSES RUNNETH OVER MY INCOME,

SURELY, POVERTY AND HARD LIVING WILL FOLLOW ME

ALL THE DAYS OF MY LIFE, AND I WILL LIVE FOREVER…

IN A RENTED HOME AND RIDE MASS TRANSIT.

159 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:10:58pm

re: #149 ploome hineni

how rediculous

do you know why these priests were excommunicated?

had nothing to do with Holocaust denial


The excommunication took place by the Vatican because of their schism. And had nothing to do with the holocaust. They rebelled against the church, and were 'cut off.'
But when the Pope says 'shut up' and 'recant' either you do that or you deserve to be excommunicated.

160 Elcid  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:11:05pm

Where's a good "Inquisition" when you need one?

161 Syrah  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:11:16pm

re: #157 brookly red

No joke, vetting seems to be the way of the future... how does one become a vetter? I bet it pays good.

I think they pay you in pixels.

I am a little uncertain about the exchange rate.

162 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:12:12pm

re: #136 ploome hineni

why?

you see Germans suffering?

where?

Now, where did I say I saw Germans suffering? I was just speculating that it must be hard for some to live with what their nation did.

163 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:12:47pm

re: #158 Steve

Oh, show some respect would you.

164 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:13:04pm

re: #138 albusteve

excommunication breakdown...it's always the same

I'm tempted but, not on this topic.

165 WhiteRasta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:13:21pm

re: #158 Steve

We had the same poem in Jamaica, about the Great Michael Manley. AKA Joshua.

166 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:13:27pm
167 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:13:38pm

re: #163 brookly red

Oh, show some respect would you.

I'm trying. Maybe I should ask the Pope for some penance.

168 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:14:37pm

re: #126 HelloDare

He's on Twitter. He just tweeted that he was kneeling.

Well, here's what we find at twitter:

thefuckingpope / Pope Benedict XVIThe Bishop of Rome, has 1,661 followers

whereas:

popebenedictxvi / Pope Benedict XVI*This is not an official Vatican service*. has 735 followers ·

Pope_Benedict / Pope Benedict XVI has 303 followers

Benedict_XVI / Pope Benedict XVI has 38 followers

Seems some folks don't much like the Pope, I guess.

169 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:14:49pm

re: #142 ploome hineni

more people still want to kill Jews than to kill Germans

how many millions have the Jews slaughtered, cremated, enslaved and marched into gas chambers?

Did I say that Jews were not still shat upon in this world? Did I say that Jews have committed genocide?

170 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:14:49pm

Lizardim -

Boy, oh boy did Williamson SCREW UP going to "DEUTCHLAND" - Her forgot that an anti-semite cold proffer any swill in Old Blighty. Germany is a different customer, Post - 1945. Ask any Dresdener. They learned their lesson - THE HARD WAY.

-S-

171 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:15:00pm

re: #164 MandyManners

I'm tempted but, not on this topic.

I think that's prudent

172 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:15:20pm
173 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:15:25pm

re: #167 Steve

I'm trying. Maybe I should ask the Pope for some penance.

or you could just grow up.

174 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:16:16pm

re: #160 Elcid

Where's a good "Inquisition" when you need one?

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

175 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:16:16pm

Actually the Vatican website is rather cool.

Which says nothing about how good they are at doing web searches themselves...

176 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:16:20pm

Gotta tell ya folks, I was born in a DP(Displaced Persons) camp right after WWII. My folks had the poor foresight to be both Jews, and Europeans in 1933. They were each the sole survivors of their extended families. It is my firm belief that everyone has the right to stand up, and make a complete ass of himself.
There are laws against incitement to riot, and violance, but other than that, I'd prefer to hear hate speech all day, than have anyone's right to speak, my own right to say whatever the hell I want to, abridged, curtailed, denied, what have you.

Freedom of expression is one of the most precious gifts that our founding fathers recognized...'twas G-d given.

177 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:16:53pm

re: #143 Haverwilde

I doubt he would have looked. The move was a general one to pave the way for the offshoot to return to the Catholic fold. None of the Bishops retained any of their official priestly duties. All were required to go through a series of steps to return to their former priestly duties. I haven't heard anything of the 'other ex-bishops' so I hope all is going well with them. Williamson deserves to be ex-communicated again just for his non-apology.

Was he ever excommunicated? Or, was he just booted out of his position?

178 WhiteRasta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:18:15pm

re: #176 M. Bensson-Levi

I would like to buy you a beer or 6, sometime....

179 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:18:39pm
180 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:18:56pm

re: #166 ploome hineni

the Pope did not even need to google...all he needed was Wiki

Given the network the Pope has at his disposal he probably could have written a far more detailed version for wiki.

181 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:19:07pm

re: #109 MandyManners

Does the pope not have access to the Internet?

Nope he spends most evenings shining those little red shoes....:)


/S

182 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:19:22pm
183 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:19:39pm
184 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:19:50pm

re: #155 BatGuano

Yes, the Germans are trying to do penance for what they did. They can't undo it, so they do what they can.

A large part of me thinks that denying free speech about this is the wrong way to go but, the nature of what they and their parents/grandparents did is of such a horrific nature that they cannot tolerate any denial of it lest they become the same.

I don't know.

185 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:20:09pm

re: #183 ploome hineni

Prada

you little devil

186 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:20:10pm

Yet again, Germany takes the wrong route. Screw Germany.

As reprehensible as his beliefs and actions may be, this is the wrong way to deal with an ugly social issue.

187 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:20:11pm

re: #178 WhiteRasta

I would like to buy you a beer or 6, sometime....

Yer on. I'll bring the Jack Daniel's...no sense goin' off half crocked.

188 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:20:21pm

re: #156 ArmyWife

I can picture it now - The Pope banging on the keyboard while screaming "Mary and Joseph! I keep getting the Whirling Circle of Death!"

(do I need to go to confession now?)

Beats me.

189 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:20:36pm
190 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:20:41pm

re: #183 ploome hineni

Prada

I believe the are indeed Prada.

191 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:21:58pm

re: #179 ploome hineni

;-) 'ah'm hip.

192 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:22:30pm

re: #156 ArmyWife

I can picture it now - The Pope banging on the keyboard while screaming "Mary and Joseph! I keep getting the Whirling Circle of Death!"

(do I need to go to confession now?)


No, just do some penance and you will be okay.

193 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:22:46pm

re: #188 MandyManners

Having been raised Catholic, though I've not gone to Church in years, I can just about hear Father O'Malley saying "When in doubt, go to confession. It can't hurt". He was great, he had a great big Golden Retriever.

194 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:23:20pm
195 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:23:44pm
196 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:24:18pm

re: #172 ploome hineni

I am sure all the suffering Germans are happy with your concern for them

My concern for them is of no significance compared to my determination to do what I can to kick my elected representatives' butts to live up to this nation's alliance with the only democracy in Southwest Asia/the Middle East.

Now, would you please quit chewing my ass for the night, ploome? I don't believe I have ever earned such hostility from you. You know me. You know I'm not a Jew-hating asshole or a mis-guided moonbat. Please.

197 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:24:18pm

re: #177 MandyManners

Was he ever excommunicated? Or, was he just booted out of his position?

Hi Mandy,
I assume you are referring to the Italian priest. I believe the priest said excommunicated, but knowing that with my hearing loss I can at times make an error, but somehow 'defrocked' doesn't sound like 'excommunicated.' But I will report on what I find.
I did learn that that the schismatics did boot out Williamson from his seminary position after his holocaust-denial comments, so with out a job he got booted out of the country.

198 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:24:48pm

re: #193 ArmyWife

Having been raised Catholic, though I've not gone to Church in years, I can just about hear Father O'Malley saying "When in doubt, go to confession. It can't hurt". He was great, he had a great big Golden Retriever.

I am far from an expert, but Golden Rertrievers must be good for your soul.

199 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:24:56pm

Now, I'm gonna' take a walk around the house to clear my head.

200 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:25:59pm
201 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:26:34pm

re: #198 brookly red

I am far from an expert, but Golden Rertrievers must be good for your soul.

Dogs in general. Spell it backwards, there's a clue.

202 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:26:35pm

re: #176 M. Bensson-Levi

Gotta tell ya folks, I was born in a DP(Displaced Persons) camp right after WWII. My folks had the poor foresight to be both Jews, and Europeans in 1933. They were each the sole survivors of their extended families. It is my firm belief that everyone has the right to stand up, and make a complete ass of himself.
There are laws against incitement to riot, and violance, but other than that, I'd prefer to hear hate speech all day, than have anyone's right to speak, my own right to say whatever the hell I want to, abridged, curtailed, denied, what have you.

Freedom of expression is one of the most precious gifts that our founding fathers recognized...'twas G-d given.

Thank you, for your excellent words. I'm proud to have made your acquaintance. even if only online.

203 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:28:06pm

As a Roman Catholic, I have gone drinking with priests and clergy. (no nunses!) I don't know who this guy thinks he is dealing with. In catholic school, we were shown film of those actions. It made many students sick.
Be warned, you don't know who you are dealing with.

Youtube Video

Sorry, I just think everyone needs a laugh sometimes.
The 101st Screaming Eagles liberty a death camp.

204 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:28:41pm

Here is the video interview with Richard Williamson. This is the first time I watched this interview.

He refers to a "study" by Fred Leuchter, Jr. Mr. Leucter was also a witness for the defense of Canadian neo-Nazi Ernst Zundel.

Youtube Video
205 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:29:05pm

A guy from Tyson Foods arranges to visit the Pope. After receiving the papal blessing, he whispers, “Your Eminence, do we have a deal for you. If you change The Lord's Prayer from ‘give us this day our daily bread....’ to ‘give us this day our daily chicken....’ we will donate $500 million dollars to the Church.”

The Pope responds saying, “That is impossible. The Prayer is the Word of the Lord and it must not be changed.”

“Well,” says the Tyson man, “we are prepared to donate $1 billion to the Church if you change the Lord's Prayer from ‘give us this day our daily bread....’ to ‘give us this day our daily chicken....’”

Again, the Pope replies, “That is impossible. The Prayer is the Word of the Lord and it must not be changed.”

Finally, the Tyson guy says, “This is our last offer. We will donate $5 billion to the church if you change the Lord's Prayer
from ‘give us this day our daily bread...’ to ‘give us this day our daily chicken....’” and he leaves.

The next day, the Pope meets with the College of Cardinals to say that he has good news and bad news. “The good news is that the Church has come into $5 billion.”

“The bad news is that we are losing the Wonder Bread Account.”

206 WhiteRasta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:30:54pm

The Holocaust was an abstract thing I learned about in school and at home.

I never really thought about it in real terms until I met a man who had a tattoo on his arm.

I almost threw up and had to resist the urge to run away....

Anyone who denies this horror is deceiving themselves. And they know it, in their heart of hearts.

They know it.

207 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:31:56pm

re: #201 Cato the Elder

actually I find the term Dominicans interesting... Domini canines. How cool is that?

208 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:32:52pm

re: #182 ploome hineni

we were in VIenna camp, where were you?

Born in Austria, then to Italy, Rome. My mother told me that Mussolini's Palace had been made into a domicile to house refugees, and there we lived.

We were on our way to Israel, via Hagana/Histadrut, when my mother's uncle, who had emigrated to the US prewar, found her name in a published list of survivors, in the newspapers. He was overwhelmed that someone had survived. He treated me, to his dying day, like I was the Messiah. He was a good man, z"l.

209 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:33:09pm

re: #203 hous bin pharteen

As a Roman Catholic, I have gone drinking with priests and clergy. (no nunses!) I don't know who this guy thinks he is dealing with. In catholic school, we were shown film of those actions. It made many students sick.
Be warned, you don't know who you are dealing with.


Sorry, I just think everyone needs a laugh sometimes.
The 101st Screaming Eagles liberty a death camp.

Thanks I needed that;-)

210 WhiteRasta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:34:21pm

re: #208 M. Bensson-Levi

Oh.

211 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:34:46pm

Some Friday cuteness.....
Zoo babies

212 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:34:54pm

re: #200 ploome hineni

.........................and no one wants to discuss the real issue regarding WIlliamsons' disobedience

which the Pope was happy to overlook

I think I did. He didn't overlook it. The church has been talking with the schismatics for a while. The Pope wanted the church reunited. Many of the Schismatics wanted to return to the church. So he removed the excommunication which allows a step by step reunion of the priests and parishoners to the church. He clearly was not 'happy to overlook' the reasons.
HIs process is working with many of the 1,000,000 schismatics. Obviously it isn't working with all of them.

213 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:34:59pm

re: #184 MandyManners

As an American, I know the denial of free speech is wrong. This is Germany, which was a party to one of the most horrendous acts of genocide in recorded history. If they believe that without these laws will prevent them from becoming the same as their ancestors is a philosophical question.
As John Derbyshire at NRO as commented on, the Anglo sphere is the only one which do Democracy right. Germany, France and Japan are just waiting for a strong leader to lead them into despotism.

214 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:35:27pm
215 Pietr  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:36:01pm

re: #205 Dustyvet

I updinged your joke, DV (and I am a Catholic)-but some Catholics on this board are nasty to anyone denigrating Catholicism, or the Vatican (even with a joke). I've experienced it, been down dinged for it, and so I'm warning you. It seems some of US, have NO sense of humor-even on LGF......just sayin'....

216 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:36:11pm

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, for your excellent words. I'm proud to have made your acquaintance. even if only online.

Ya Have?!? And here I've been hittin' on her for months!, to no avail!

217 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:36:12pm

re: #208 M. Bensson-Levi


Born in Austria, then to Italy, Rome. My mother told me that Mussolini's Palace had been made into a domicile to house refugees, and there we lived.

We were on our way to Israel, via Hagana/Histadrut, when my mother's uncle, who had emigrated to the US prewar, found her name in a published list of survivors, in the newspapers. He was overwhelmed that someone had survived. He treated me, to his dying day, like I was the Messiah. He was a good man, z"l.

My mom and dad were married in Vienna after the war when he was stationed there. Several funny stories from them about there courtship and wedding.

218 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:36:55pm

CNN's moronic correspondent argues with Geert Wilders

Liveleak Video

The leftist American MSM is ill equipped to deal with Geert.

219 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:38:45pm

re: #207 brookly red

actually I find the term Dominicans interesting... Domini canines. How cool is that?

A folk etymology - Dominicus was the name of the founder, so his followers were Dominicani. The plural of canis, dog, is canes.

But I like the way you think!

220 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:39:14pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

True enough. Unfortunately, they're ill-equipped for reporting, too.

And the rightist media can only handle Geert's hairspray needs. Who writes these crappy questions?

221 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:39:51pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

A folk etymology - Dominicus was the name of the founder, so his followers were Dominicani. The plural of canis, dog, is canes.

But I like the way you think!

Those candy canes I bought at Christmas were mislabelled!

/

222 little boomer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:39:56pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

The interviewer has not read the vile Koran.

223 WhiteRasta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:40:38pm

re: #213 BatGuano

I wold normally, vehemently disagree with you.

I have an aunt who lives in Belgium and she is a dreadful anti-Semite. She would have been quite happy living in a Judenrien Belgium, to this day.

I have to bite my lips when I visit her. My daughter, on the other hand has had huge arguments with the woman.

224 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:40:44pm

re: #220 OldLineTexan

Who writes these crappy questions?


That was my thought too. It's like nobody researched Geert and bothered to come up with interesting or provocative questions.

225 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:40:54pm

re: #213 BatGuano

Germany, France and Japan are just waiting for a strong leader to lead them into despotism.

Bat guano.

226 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:41:22pm

re: #222 little boomer

The interviewer has not read the vile Koran.

He also doesn't know about Geert's version of "freedom". It's very unpleasant.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:41:31pm

re: #105 legalpad

Oh, I guess I'm just thinking of news I keep hearing out of Britain, and I suppose the Bridgette Bardot story regarding the Muslims. Germany - of course you're right.

Brigette Bardot? Oh dear, when I Google this I'm going to be hacked, aren't I?

228 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:42:26pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

The baby snakes weren't so cute.

229 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:42:27pm

Creator: First synthetic genetic system capable of Darwinian evolution


AEGIS is not self-sustaining, at least not yet, and with 12 DNA building blocks — as opposed to the usual four — there's little chance it will be confused with natural life. Still, Benner is encouraged by the results.

"It's evolving. It's doing what we designed it to do," said Benner, a biochemist with the Gainesville, Fla.-based Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution.

In addition to providing an example of how alien life might be cobbled together, synthetic biology has a broad array of uses on the home front.


Science!

230 saberry0530  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:42:30pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

Brigette Bardot? Oh dear, when I Google this I'm going to be hacked, aren't I?

Yep!

231 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:42:35pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

Thanks, but after all goldens are still good for the soul.

232 gmsc  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:42:37pm

re: #220 OldLineTexan

And the rightist media can only handle Geert's hairspray needs. Who writes these crappy questions?

"Who undoes your hair?"
-Bugs Bunny, Broomstick Bunny

233 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:42:38pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

That was my thought too. It's like nobody researched Geert and bothered to come up with interesting or provocative questions.

I watched an interview that was so boring, I'm not even sure who it was. IIRC, O'Reilly. Reminded me of Chris Matthews interviewing an Obama substitute ... you know, softballs, but no tingle.

234 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:42:38pm
235 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:43:10pm

re: #228 ArmyWife

The elephant was fantastic though.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:43:46pm

re: #122 ArmyWife

This strikes me as funny - I seriously can't picture the Pope googling members of his flock in an attempt to research a potential sordid past. That said, I am sure there are people support him who no doubt have internet access.

The Jesuits are up on it.

237 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:44:11pm

re: #228 ArmyWife

The baby snakes weren't so cute.

I was in the Arlington convention center while a reptile show was at the other end. I almost went and bought a snake, or some lizards.

238 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:44:15pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

The journalist got in what he thought were zingers, and to an average person watching they might be, but Geert played the journalist as a puppet to Geert's audience / fans.

239 stonemason  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:44:43pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Wow...how do they look themselves in the mirror?

240 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:44:47pm

re: #213 BatGuano

And as Charles has pointed out countless times, neo-nazis are on the rise all over Europe....they still have not 'caught on' to where these ideologies led to in the 1930's, but seem to walk the same road yet again.

Jew hate is on the rise each and every day...but also in Venezuela, and who knows where else? The U.S.A. is not lacking in Jew haters, either. Back to the 1930's?

And now we live under this abomination:

Youtube Video
241 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:44:58pm

re: #214 ploome hineni

My folks also, Eastern Europe. Each had fled to Russia, independently, from Poland. Led out by Hagana to Austria. Spooky.
Mother, and Father both gone now, so I can not ask more details from them.

242 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:45:11pm

re: #237 OldLineTexan

I was in the Arlington convention center while a reptile show was at the other end. I almost went and bought a snake, or some lizards.

what do lizards go for?

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:45:50pm

re: #242 brookly red

what do lizards go for?

Buttocks.

244 SummerSong  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:46:04pm

Doesn't matter to me one way or the other but..

No Prada for Pope
[Link: www.cathnews.com...]

245 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:46:33pm

re: #238 Thanos

I've watched enough of Geert's speeches to noticed he gives the same 5 minutes wherever he goes. The interviewer just let him give his usual speech.

246 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:46:46pm

re: #182 ploome hineni

we were in VIenna camp, where were you?

You were in a refugee camp, ploome?

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:46:48pm

re: #132 MandyManners

It must be hard for decent Germans to deal with the past.

I've known some people who have really suffered a great deal over their national or family histories. It's not an easy thing to come to terms with.

248 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:46:58pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Yes - and I love the Gorilla mommy holding her sleeping baby!

249 Sifty  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:47:22pm

Lock his ass up and make him break rocks.

250 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:47:49pm

re: #225 Cato the Elder

Yes?

251 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:47:58pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Buttocks.

may I assume human?

252 WhiteRasta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:48:08pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gamey buttocks......

253 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:48:19pm

re: #248 ArmyWife

I just found a hatchling

254 stonemason  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:48:53pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

When will an interviewer ask him about his desire to ban a book?
Oh, never mind, that would take thought and research on the part of the media.

255 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:48:56pm

re: #242 brookly red

what do lizards go for?

Some of the less-rare critters were a few bucks only.

The coolest lizard was some sort of leaf-tailed gecko (I may have that wrong). It had claws, not sticky feet, (its feet were flat, thin, and WEIRD) and it was like $50 if the kid didn't lie to me.

256 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:49:09pm

re: #251 brookly red

may I assume human?

Are trolls human?
heh

257 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:49:19pm

re: #223 WhiteRasta

Disagree with me about which part?

258 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:49:55pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

That was my thought too. It's like nobody researched Geert and bothered to come up with interesting or provocative questions.

An enlightened leftist debates a neanderthal knuckle dragging hate monger, what's to prepare for?

No contest.....

//////

259 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:50:05pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

I just found a hatchling

awwwwwwwwwww!

260 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:50:13pm

re: #250 BatGuano

Yes?

I was referring to your assertion re France, Germany and Japan. It's bat guano.

261 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:50:45pm

re: #240 NY Nana

And as Charles has pointed out countless times, neo-nazis are on the rise all over Europe....they still have not 'caught on' to where these ideologies led to in the 1930's, but seem to walk the same road yet again.

Jew hate is on the rise each and every day...but also in Venezuela, and who knows where else? The U.S.A. is not lacking in Jew haters, either. Back to the 1930's?

And now we live under this abomination:

Youtube Video

I beg to differ. I believe a number (many? some? most? few?) know EXACTLY where this path ended in the 30s and 40s.

262 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:50:49pm

re: #215 Pietr

I updinged your joke, DV (and I am a Catholic)-but some Catholics on this board are nasty to anyone denigrating Catholicism, or the Vatican (even with a joke). I've experienced it, been down dinged for it, and so I'm warning you. It seems some of US, have NO sense of humor-even on LGF......just sayin'....

re: #256 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are trolls human?
heh

Image: trolls.jpg

263 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:50:51pm

re: #254 stonemason
If you want to understand Geert's nuance on freedom watch this one.....

Liveleak Video
264 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:51:04pm

re: #82 Racer X

so r u

265 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:51:06pm

extremely rare baby picture of Charles....

[Link: www.boston.com...]

266 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:51:18pm

re: #79 brookly red

read the news....

267 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:51:35pm

re: #78 MandyManners

yes and no

268 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:52:14pm

Good night, all.

269 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:52:27pm

re: #265 albusteve

Live birth....

Liveleak Video
270 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:52:39pm

What happens when military procurement buys a pencil sharpener.

Liveleak Video
271 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:53:26pm

re: #255 OldLineTexan

Some of the less-rare critters were a few bucks only.

The coolest lizard was some sort of leaf-tailed gecko (I may have that wrong). It had claws, not sticky feet, (its feet were flat, thin, and WEIRD) and it was like $50 if the kid didn't lie to me.

Well I was being a sarcastic jerk, but come to think of it I could use a pet.

272 lifeofthemind  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:53:36pm

Evening,
Has it been mentioned that a Tea Party is planned for NYC tomorrow? 2PM at City Hall.

273 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:53:53pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

I've watched enough of Geert's speeches to noticed he gives the same 5 minutes wherever he goes. The interviewer just let him give his usual speech.

I noticed this a lot when I was a reporter. I'd read the clippings/transcripts and I would run into people who would just go on and on for a while. When I'd ask them questions about specific points they'd made, they'd go right back to the same words and phrases.

Crazy-making shit.

274 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:54:02pm

re: #270 jcm

What happens when military procurement buys a pencil sharpener.

Not another frigging training film...:P

275 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:54:15pm

re: #82 Racer X

your actions and actions by people like you who defend corrupt clergy here reminds me of the infamous "Ansar Al Hezbollah" thugs in Iran who react to people's criticism of corrupt mullahs the same way you and your likes do: calling them names at best and killing them at worst. Get a life and stop defending a corrupt entity!

276 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:54:41pm
277 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:54:53pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

That's a whole new dimension to the old insult about being dropped on your head at birth ...

278 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:55:17pm

re: #274 Dustyvet

Not another frigging training film...:P

Soldier! Are you trained in the proper use and maintenance of that pencil sharpener?

279 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:55:27pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Live birth....

[Video]

those eyes are amazing...pretty cool

280 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:55:32pm

re: #201 Cato the Elder

Dogs in general. Spell it backwards, there's a clue.


Sgod?

281 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:55:45pm

If they do arrest him, will he be held ex-communicando?

He miter be. He's disturbed the piece. The law pawns him. He's well and truly forked.

/shameless

282 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:55:58pm

re: #272 lifeofthemind

Evening,
Has it been mentioned that a Tea Party is planned for NYC tomorrow? 2PM at City Hall.

hey {life} i'll try to show up.
if i can get away.

283 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:55:59pm

re: #278 jcm

Soldier! Are you trained in the proper use and maintenance of that pencil sharpener?

You're lathing it on the line, aren't you.

284 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:56:06pm

re: #184 MandyManners

A large part of me thinks that denying free speech about this is the wrong way to go but, the nature of what they and their parents/grandparents did is of such a horrific nature that they cannot tolerate any denial of it lest they become the same.

I don't know.

I'm a First Amendment kind of gal, but as I said earlier, it's hard for me to tell Germany exactly how to deal with their situation.

When I was in high school, this kid who liked to be 'edgy' did a history project that was a Nazi propaganda poster (we all did posters, mine was Soviet). Big swastika.

One of the math teachers, German guy in his thirties then, so I guess born in the fifties, blew a fuse, since the projects were hung up in the room he taught in. Insisted it be taken down, because, and I quote "My father went to school with that #**%#&*& thing up on the wall, and I won't teach with it there."

The 'edgy' kid made a big fuss, but finally agreed to take it down.

285 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:56:12pm

re: #278 jcm

Soldier! Are you trained in the proper use and maintenance of that pencil sharpener?

no sir, I missed that block of training sir,,,:P

286 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:56:32pm

re: #271 brookly red

Well I was being a sarcastic jerk, but come to think of it I could use a pet.

I figured the lizard was cheap, but the accessories were expensive, so I passed.

287 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:57:25pm

re: #266 winston06

read the news....

No, do you have any proof that this individual is a child molester or are you just engaging in slander?

288 stonemason  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:57:32pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

rather a...not racist, but much the same... individual, I could have stopped at disliking him for calling for the koran to be banned, now I don't like him for the obvious feeling of superiority of his chosen religion.

289 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:57:41pm

re: #280 Jim in Virginia

Sgod?

rat-bastard literal Rice s.o.b. ;)

290 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:58:07pm

re: #240 NY Nana

NY Nana, I will not go into my family history but you are very perceptive on this. I hate to admit it but some Americans are susceptible to this cult; an eloquent leader who can lead us victory over our enemies without specifying who our enemies are. At least the Germans had Mein Kampf.

291 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:58:34pm

re: #264 winston06

Nice retort.

292 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:58:43pm

re: #283 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're lathing it on the line, aren't you.

Cut that out! I'm trying to make a point here!

293 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:58:59pm

re: #270 jcm

What happens when military procurement buys a pencil sharpener.



I bet Killgore can't do that with his lathe.

294 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:59:01pm

re: #215 Pietr

It may be from getting treated badly from people lately (like libs)
But with going through so much crap, a laugh helps.
Some of the most funny things I have experienced was from fellow grunts and ground pounders. Even the squids at VA beach were a riot. But I think with Government training, we have become nut balls.
[Link: www.videosift.com...]

295 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:59:14pm

re: #30 alegrias

* * **
Wasn't that Martin Luther?

Wasn't it Henry the 8th, asking a crowd of courtiers "idly" about Thomas More? Such idle speculations, uttered by princes, are a death sentence to the man in question.

Putin's polonium does the job nowadays. He needn't say anything. Just frown when the guy's name comes up in conversation.

296 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:59:34pm

re: #291 Racer X

Nice retort.

I'd say it was retorted.

/

297 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:59:36pm

re: #292 jcm

Cut that out! I'm trying to make a point here!

And one thing lead to another.

298 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:00:03pm

re: #290 BatGuano

NY Nana, I will not go into my family history but you are very perceptive on this. I hate to admit it but some Americans are susceptible to this cult; an eloquent leader who can lead us victory over our enemies without specifying who our enemies are. At least the Germans had Mein Kampf.

The enemy?

The Wealthy.

299 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:00:09pm

re: #260 Cato the Elder

That was John Derbyshire's assertion

300 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:00:22pm

re: #292 jcm

Cut that out! I'm trying to make a point here!

He's "Turning for the Troops"


/S

301 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:00:25pm

re: #292 jcm

Cut that out! I'm trying to make a point here!

I'm not allowed to make pointy things on the lathe at work.

Anymore.

/

302 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:00:26pm

re: #292 jcm

Get the lead out, then. We don't have all day!

303 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:00:42pm

re: #293 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I bet Killgore can't do that with his lathe.

there are no lathed parts to a cello...suddenly I'm an expert

304 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:00:59pm

re: #287 brookly red

his colleagues are

305 saberry0530  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:01:33pm

re: #297 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And one thing lead to another.

I've gotto go and do #2.

306 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:01:45pm

re: #261 MandyManners

I beg to differ. I believe a number (many? some? most? few?) know EXACTLY where this path ended in the 30s and 40s.

There is the part that most of the History books leave out, thats the bit that is most concerning. To fund the ideological war machine that was the Nazi party, it was deemed ok to conquer, confiscate and subjugate other people to enhance the war machine. And thats exactly what they did.

These people who idolise the Nazi party .. dont love the ideology, dont care about the jew mantra. They want to steal to enrich at other people's expense.

And in their sick minds .. the Jews hold all the wealth.

307 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:02:05pm

re: #301 OldLineTexan

I'm not allowed to make pointy things on the lathe at work.

Anymore.

/

do you need me to send you cigarettes?

308 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:02:10pm

re: #303 albusteve

there are no lathed parts to a cello...suddenly I'm an expert

Cello tuning peg?

309 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:02:10pm

re: #275 winston06

your actions and actions by people like you who defend corrupt clergy here reminds me of the infamous "Ansar Al Hezbollah" thugs in Iran who react to people's criticism of corrupt mullahs the same way you and your likes do: calling them names at best and killing them at worst. Get a life and stop defending a corrupt entity!

Fuck you asswipe. You have no idea who I am or what my beliefs are. Just like I have no idea who you are. You have on many occasions insulted those who are Catholic. It is for that reason I called you an ass. I stand by the comment.

310 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:02:56pm

re: #297 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And one thing lead to another.

Keep it up laughing boy, and you'll get the shaft!

311 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:02:59pm

re: #309 Racer X

Fuck you... get a life!

312 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:03:21pm

re: #298 jcm

Aren't the wealthy the Joooz? Let us see how he handles the middle east. Perhaps he will put pressure on the Joooz!

313 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:03:22pm

re: #307 brookly red

do you need me to send you cigarettes?

It's nice to have friends, but I don't smoke.

/

314 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:03:42pm

re: #303 albusteve

there are no lathed parts to a cello...suddenly I'm an expert

1) Killgore has a lathe
2) WTF does one use a lathe for in restoring violins and cellos?
3) WTF ELSE does Killgore do?!?!
4) Do I need to be worried if there's a sudden loud knocking on my door?

315 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:04:01pm

re: #308 jcm

Cello tuning peg?

I was thinking that but presumed they are hand made...maybe not...they are sizable

316 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:04:20pm

re: #314 pre-Boomer Marine brat

1) Killgore has a lathe
2) WTF does one use a lathe for in restoring violins and cellos?
3) WTF ELSE does Killgore do?!?!
4) Do I need to be worried if there's a sudden loud knocking on my door?

No need to work yourself into a lathe-r.

317 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:04:29pm

re: #275 winston06

Winston, that was over the line! The Catholic Church has done far, far, more good than evil. It is not the corrupt institution you imagine it to be.

318 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:05:00pm

re: #305 saberry0530

I've gotto go and do #2.

Boy, is it Eberhard to do someone a Faber around here!

319 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:05:13pm

re: #315 albusteve

I was thinking that but presumed they are hand made...maybe not...they are sizable

I have no idea, just it has a round part.

320 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:05:22pm

re: #139 Ojoe

The Vatican has a very good website, here it is:

Basically, the real Catholic website.

You may say this is the Pope's website.

Is he on Facebook?

321 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:05:31pm

re: #311 winston06

Both you guys make valid points on occasions and both of you have valid opinions. But dont bait and fight in here .. its a matter of disagreement and can be settled like gentlemen.

322 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:05:32pm

re: #209 Steve

Any time!

323 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:05:36pm

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

[Link: www.iconbusters.com...]

[Link: findarticles.com...]

324 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:05:36pm

re: #310 jcm

Keep it up laughing boy, and you'll get the shaft!

In some conifer forests, you can't cedar wood for the trees.

325 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:05:42pm

re: #295 lostlakehiker

Wasn't it Henry the 8th, asking a crowd of courtiers "idly" about Thomas More? Such idle speculations, uttered by princes, are a death sentence to the man in question.

Putin's polonium does the job nowadays. He needn't say anything. Just frown when the guy's name comes up in conversation.

Henry II, speaking of Thomas Becket. (You got the given names right!)

More was executed formally, IIRC. Becket was assassinated.

326 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:05:48pm

re: #314 pre-Boomer Marine brat

1) Killgore has a lathe
2) WTF does one use a lathe for in restoring violins and cellos?
3) WTF ELSE does Killgore do?!?!
4) Do I need to be worried if there's a sudden loud knocking on my door?

it was a setup...he has not spoken yet....be patient, he's probably scarfin some fish for a minute

327 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:05:50pm

re: #320 rawmuse

No.

Gracebook.

328 saberry0530  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:06:23pm

re: #318 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Boy, is it Eberhard to do someone a Faber around here!

Ya know, they make a little blue pill for that now!
////

329 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:06:24pm

An elderly man walks into a confessional. The following conversation ensues:

Man: 'I am 92 years old, have a wonderful wife of 70 years, many children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. Yesterday, I picked up two college girls, hitchhiking . We went to a motel, where I had sex with each of them three times.'

Priest: 'Are you sorry for your sins?'

Man: 'What sins? '

Priest: 'What kind of a Catholic are you?'

Man: 'I'm Jewish.'

Priest: 'Why are you telling me all this?'

Man: 'I'm 92 years old ... I'm telling everybody.'

330 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:06:26pm

re: #289 OldLineTexan

rat-bastard literal Rice s.o.b. ;)


You rang?

331 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:06:35pm

re: #326 albusteve

it was a setup...he has not spoken yet....be patient, he's probably scarfin some fish SEA KITTEN for a minute

332 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:06:57pm

re: #319 jcm

I have no idea, just it has a round part.

well now I'm curious...I work with wood too

333 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:06:59pm

re: #272 lifeofthemind

Evening,
Has it been mentioned that a Tea Party is planned for NYC tomorrow? 2PM at City Hall.

If it's as lame as the ones in Chicago and Washington today, well, you'll do better jerking off at home.

334 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:07:10pm

re: #330 Jim in Virginia

You rang?

Lurch? Just use your real name!

335 lifeofthemind  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:07:14pm

re: #283 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're lathing it on the line, aren't you.

The Lathe of Heaven

Youtube Video
336 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:07:15pm

re: #324 Dustyvet

In some conifer forests, you can't cedar wood for the trees.

Now you're just needling me!

337 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:07:28pm

Can you imagine a tech support call from the Pope?

338 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:07:41pm

Another connection:

Alain De Benoist is an anti-capitalist Gramscian tied to the New Right in France (on the surface that might appear confusing, but scrape the veneer ideology away and you find not what he would call racism, but rather "cultural isolationism," - Weyrich has also toyed with these ideas, separating from "degenerate society",) he's kind of the mirror image of Filip De Winter on all things but immigration and cultural separation / racialism. That's whose book Filip was leafing through at the nazi bookfair in the video, he also contributes to "Chronicles", from the Paleo nexus Rockford institute. (Along with Srjda Trifkovic, Raimondo, and others of ill repute)
Alain's a Fjordian style writer, mostly quote mining and juxtaposing authoritarian but conflicting views from history to water down the meaning of terms like "traditionalist" and "racism", in order to make them meaningless instead of meaningful, and blur boundaries between good and evil.
Anyway I find it interesting that he writes on traditionalism, and the founder of SSPX gets a mention. Warning: NOT a friend See if you can pick out the key words, that's if it doesn't put you to sleep. This is one of his lighter works...

339 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:07:46pm

re: #304 winston06

his colleagues are

So freakin what. Do you want to live in a world where accusations equal guilt? or do you have proof that the individual in question committed the crime that you allege? or not?

340 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:07:51pm

re: #331 OldLineTexan

I swear he is part orca

341 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:08:23pm

re: #332 albusteve

well now I'm curious...I work with wood too

LOL! I'm am too. Can wood lathes do things as small as tuning pegs?

342 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:08:28pm

re: #333 Cato the Elder

If it's as lame as the ones in Chicago and Washington today, well, you'll do better jerking off at home.

Can't one do both and get an "A" for effort?

343 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:08:36pm

re: #311 winston06

Winston, the Catholic Church should be thought like a government. There have been times when its been a provider, a guide and a leader in the communities it serves. And there are other times when its just been an ass. Depending on where you are and at what times in history, its been a bit of both. Respect it for what it is .. a means of religion and an authority as such.

344 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:08:39pm

re: #339 brookly red

I was talking about child molesting, corrupt catholic clergy in general

345 ArmyWife  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:08:53pm

Ok group. I'm off to bed. Behave, please.

346 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:08:57pm

re: #323 winston06

You just linked to a site that compares the Roman Catholic church to Babylon. I've got no use for places such as that. I'm sorry but I cannot concur with your argument.

347 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:08:58pm

re: #240 NY Nana

A chilling video.

And check out the pose resemblance here: (Mussolini)
Mussolini

These times are becoming a nightmare

fewer people are worshiping G-d

348 topazpilot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:09:11pm

Way off topic, but it suddenly occurred to me that the media is now reporting that Obama is ready to shoot down and North Korean missile with the missile defense technology. Notice how they suddenly report it like it's a foregone conclusion that the technology is perfect and ready to be deployed, whereas not long ago they were still implying that it was a colossal failure and waste of money, not to mention potentially destabilizing. I wonder what changed? psh

349 saberry0530  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:09:16pm

re: #336 jcm

Now you're just needling me!

deciduous get along?

350 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:09:30pm

re: #343 Buster Bunny

I just wonder where Catholic church stands on the "Creation or Evolution" debate.

351 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:09:33pm

re: #337 RememberSekhmet?

Can you imagine a tech support call from the Pope?

The Pope's got his own customer service.

352 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:09:43pm

re: #314 pre-Boomer Marine brat


4) Do I need to be worried if there's a sudden loud knocking on my door?


It's just the NSA Pack your toothbrush, go quietly and no one will get hurt.
Much.
/

353 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:09:46pm

re: #341 jcm

LOL! I'm am too. Can wood lathes do things as small as tuning pegs?

yes..[Link: marz.20megsfree.com...]

354 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:09:52pm

re: #338 Thanos

I was quite serious when I asked if williamson's had dealings with filip. I wouldn't be surprised if there were, because Jew hate seems to trump all.

355 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:09:55pm

re: #348 topazpilot

Way off topic, but it suddenly occurred to me that the media is now reporting that Obama is ready to shoot down and North Korean missile with the missile defense technology. Notice how they suddenly report it like it's a foregone conclusion that the technology is perfect and ready to be deployed, whereas not long ago they were still implying that it was a colossal failure and waste of money, not to mention potentially destabilizing. I wonder what changed? psh

His access to classified information

356 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:10:04pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

You could open your eyes on the crimes of the church

357 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:10:22pm

re: #340 albusteve

I swear he is part orca

I have a coworker that pretty much lives on fish (that he catches) and salad.

358 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:10:43pm

re: #345 ArmyWife

Ok group. I'm off to bed. Behave, please.

Boots and saddles....sounding retreat...Nighters!

359 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:11:03pm

Dogbert nails it on the head.

360 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:11:06pm

re: #350 winston06

I just wonder where Catholic church stands on the "Creation or Evolution" debate.

Well .. according to the current mob in office, they stuck with Evolution. And went to the trouble of providing an official statement as to such. Its a big step for them to make an active gesture like that.

361 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:11:14pm

re: #348 topazpilot

Way off topic, but it suddenly occurred to me that the media is now reporting that Obama is ready to shoot down and North Korean missile with the missile defense technology. Notice how they suddenly report it like it's a foregone conclusion that the technology is perfect and ready to be deployed, whereas not long ago they were still implying that it was a colossal failure and waste of money, not to mention potentially destabilizing. I wonder what changed? psh

We killed that satellite and pissed off the Chinese. It was a two-fer.

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:11:16pm

re: #350 winston06

I just wonder where Catholic church stands on the "Creation or Evolution" debate.

The Catholic Church has accepted evolution as scientific fact for decades. My father was told that evolution was God's chosen method for creation when he was in Catholic elementary school in the 1950s.

363 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:11:16pm

anyway, i tried to go green today. we changed all the "gas guzzling' light bulbs to the energy saving "curly" bulbs. the electricians took all the 'bad' bulbs out and screwed in the florescent ones and then "hallelujah" we cut on the juice and it was like a dungeon in there.
a dim lit basement. wow.
it looked like gramma's house on a dark winter evening.
oh man, i said NO. i just can't sacrifice my light like an idiot to go green.
they changed all the bulbs back to the regular ones.
now if i go green i have to get the dimmer switch changed in order to get the next brightness, or the green bulbs will burn out. etc. whatever.
so that was a disappointment.
and it was just light bulbs.

364 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:11:21pm

[Link: www.poynter.org...]

Clergy Abuse Tracker

365 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:11:37pm

re: #350 winston06

I just wonder where Catholic church stands on the "Creation or Evolution" debate.

It accepts evolution and argues for a non-literal reading of the first part of Genesis.

366 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:11:46pm

re: #348 topazpilot

Way off topic, but it suddenly occurred to me that the media is now reporting that Obama is ready to shoot down and North Korean missile with the missile defense technology. Notice how they suddenly report it like it's a foregone conclusion that the technology is perfect and ready to be deployed, whereas not long ago they were still implying that it was a colossal failure and waste of money, not to mention potentially destabilizing. I wonder what changed? psh

Change!

367 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:11:50pm

re: #360 Buster Bunny

so they are hypocrites too beside being holocaust deniers?

368 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:12:13pm

re: #361 OldLineTexan

We killed that satellite and pissed off the Chinese. It was a two-fer.

/You mean it wasn't an accident?!

369 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:12:18pm

re: #350 winston06

I just wonder where Catholic church stands on the "Creation or Evolution" debate.

There was a front page post on this blog of the Church rejecting Intelligent Design!

370 Chip Designer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:12:39pm

A Navy guy said that he could shoot down the missile if ordered to do so by Obama.

I haven't heard anything from the Obama camp about taking such an action, or even acknowledging that we could.

371 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:12:44pm

re: #349 saberry0530

deciduous get along?

You'll never be very poplar with puns like that.

372 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:12:46pm

re: #357 OldLineTexan

I have a coworker that pretty much lives on fish (that he catches) and salad.

when I visit Jamaica I eat an ocean of fish...enough
(baracuda is flat out awsome tho)

373 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:12:49pm

re: #359 Racer X

Dogbert nails it on the head.

Loves it. Upding!

374 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:12:50pm

[Link: www.jesus-is-lord.com...]

Sexual Abuse by Catholic Priests

375 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:13:04pm

re: #353 albusteve

yes..[Link: marz.20megsfree.com...]

Cool!

376 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:13:17pm

re: #290 BatGuano

After living safely as a second-generation American through WWII? All I can do is thank G-d that I was born here and not in Lithuania. I have a photo album, with no names, nothing written, of my paternal Bubbe's zt"l family. Their clothing gave them away...

When I look at it? There is no way that I can express my rage, over 60 years later. And now? Seeing The One? I get chills, as his followers remind me of the Germans in the '30's. I realize that those who dared oppose *itler (may his name and memory be obliterated) also were killed....but what was done? I fear that there will be someday, a repeat.

The cult of Obama is a clear and present danger to our country.

377 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:13:19pm

re: #356 winston06

You could open your eyes on the crimes of the church

And you could stop assuming guilt by association.

378 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:13:43pm

re: #368 Creeping Eruption

/You mean it wasn't an accident?!

George Bush is a clever little monkey.

379 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:13:47pm

re: #371 Spare O'Lake

You'll never be very poplar with puns like that.

Let him go ahead and make an ash of himself.

380 little boomer  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:13:58pm

re: #359 Racer X

LOL!

381 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:14:07pm

re: #367 winston06

so they are hypocrites too beside being holocaust deniers?

Winston, you've gone off the rail on this one. I'm sorry to do this but:

GAZE

382 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:14:21pm

re: #288 stonemason

The real problem is that he doesn't want to apply freedom evenly. For Geert some people are more equal than others.

383 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:14:21pm

A linguistics professor was lecturing to his class one day.

"In English," he said, "A double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."


A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

384 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:14:27pm

re: #377 brookly red

can not... the whole institution makes me angry.

385 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:14:38pm

re: #344 winston06

Not all Caholic priests are child molesters.

386 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:14:48pm

re: #377 brookly red

And you could stop assuming guilt by association.

Dude has broad brush he loves to paint with.

387 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:14:49pm

re: #379 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Let him go ahead and make an ash of himself.

Although Nobelists tend to have dynamite personalities, Niels was a Bohr, and Linus was a Pauling.

388 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:14:54pm

re: #363 nyc redneck

anyway, i tried to go green today. we changed all the "gas guzzling' light bulbs to the energy saving "curly" bulbs. the electricians took all the 'bad' bulbs out and screwed in the florescent ones and then "hallelujah" we cut on the juice and it was like a dungeon in there.
a dim lit basement. wow.
it looked like gramma's house on a dark winter evening.
oh man, i said NO. i just can't sacrifice my light like an idiot to go green.
they changed all the bulbs back to the regular ones.
now if i go green i have to get the dimmer switch changed in order to get the next brightness, or the green bulbs will burn out. etc. whatever.
so that was a disappointment.
and it was just light bulbs.

There's better curly bulbs and worse curly bulbs. I can't figure it out exactly, but some of the ones I've bought seem to light just like the old ones, and some are awful.

I haven't noticed that they make any difference in power bills, but they do last basically forever. My mother has a bulb on a timer in the foyer of her apartment building, and they used to burn out every few weeks--the curly bulb in there now is on month eight or something.

389 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:15:18pm

re: #367 winston06

so they are hypocrites too beside being holocaust deniers?

I'd suggest their current treatment of this bishop suggests that they are well and truly not going to accept people speaking such nonsense IN THEIR NAME. This current pope has done a lot of setting the Catholic Church into a position for the 21st century. He's spoken out against whats happening in the Middle East. He's delisted priests who do the wrong thing in the name of the church. He's making sure that the Catholic Church remains on a consistant footing. And I for one respect him for that.

390 jcm  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:15:29pm

I've got to go.


Fortes et strenuos etiam contra fortunam insistere, timidos et ignoros ad desperationem formidine properare.

The brave and bold persist even against fortune; the timid and cowardly rush to despair through fear alone.

CAIUS CORNELIUS TACITUS

Brave! Bold! Lizards!

391 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:15:41pm

Pope Bashes Intelligent Design

Charles asks: Why does the Pope hate Christians?

392 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:15:43pm

Wikipedia is the least desirable source on anything but the pile of info/external links on sexual abuses by Catholic church is a must read

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

393 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:15:56pm

re: #363 nyc redneck

anyway, i tried to go green today. we changed all the "gas guzzling' light bulbs to the energy saving "curly" bulbs. the electricians took all the 'bad' bulbs out and screwed in the florescent ones and then "hallelujah" we cut on the juice and it was like a dungeon in there.
a dim lit basement. wow.
it looked like gramma's house on a dark winter evening.
oh man, i said NO. i just can't sacrifice my light like an idiot to go green.
they changed all the bulbs back to the regular ones.
now if i go green i have to get the dimmer switch changed in order to get the next brightness, or the green bulbs will burn out. etc. whatever.
so that was a disappointment.
and it was just light bulbs.

I believe that most fluorescent bulbs also have mercury in them.

Do CFLs contain mercury?
CFLs contain a very small amount of mercury sealed within the glass tubing – an average of 4 milligrams. By comparison, older thermometers contain about 500 milligrams of mercury – an amount equal to the mercury in 125 CFLs. Mercury is an essential part of CFLs; it allows the bulb to be an efficient light source. No mercury is released when the bulbs are intact (not broken) or in use.
Most makers of light bulbs have reduced mercury in their fluorescent lighting products. Thanks to technology advances and a commitment from members of the National Electrical Manufacturers Association, the average mercury content in CFLs has dropped at least 20 percent in the past year. Some manufacturers have even made further reductions, dropping mercury content to 1.4 – 2.5 milligrams per light bulb.

394 Lynn B.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:16:00pm

re: #101 ploome hineni

From your link:

When the victim of some particularly brutal assault seeks justice against the perpetrators or at least recognition of the enormities committed by them, the last thing she expects is indifference to or belittlement of her sufferings. Almost as painful as the wounds inflicted by cruel aggressors is an avowed disbelief or trivialization of their pain by insensitive, ill disposed or delusional bystanders. Holocaust denial is such moral blindness writ large.

Perversity of human judgment, however, is ubiquitous. Flat-earthers deny the evidence of their senses and turn a blind eye to the curvature of the horizon or the sphericity of the globe as observed by astronauts from outer space. Biblical literalists reject the fossil record of geological time and advocates of intelligent design look blank at enquiries about the creator of the primum mobile. These willfully obtuse individuals may elicit groans of frustration from the enlightened, but we do not hail them into court for their complacent ignorance, whether well-intentioned or malign.

Neither is there any point in criminalizing Holocaust-deniers. It is enough to stigmatize them as boors and fools. Documented history is in no danger from their nay-saying, and neither are the Jews. The welcome back into the Roman Catholic fold which Pope Benedict XVI has extended to the Holocaust-denying Bishop Richard Williamson, excommunicated by John Paul II as an adherent of a schismatic offshoot from the Church, does not justify the breast beating and gnashing of teeth with which prominent Jews and media personalities greeted the reunion.

395 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:16:08pm

re: #367 winston06

so they are hypocrites too beside being holocaust deniers?

Why hypocrites? For accepting science?

396 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:16:30pm

re: #385 Macker

probably!

397 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:16:31pm

re: #384 winston06

can not... the whole institution makes me angry.

There are hypocrites, liars, and criminals in every large organized group. Consolidated power attracts the power-hungry. Lay off the Catholics.

398 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:16:43pm

An old man goes into a drug store to buy some Viagra...
'Can I have 6 tablets, cut in quarters?'

'I can cut them for you' said Dan the pharmacist 'but a quarter tablet will not give you a full erection. '

'I'm 96' said the old man. 'I don't want an erection, I just want it sticking out far enough so I don't piss on my slippers.'

399 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:16:48pm

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

for abandoning their god's words. LOL

400 topazpilot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:17:20pm

re: #350 winston06

John Paul II stated that he saw no conflict between God and evolution, and my parish priest echoed that sentiment as well. I'm sure there are those in the Church who would deny evolution, but there are many who affirm that they believe that evolution is the process of God's creation. If you read the catechism you see that the official position is ambiguous. It more or less focuses on the meaning of creation rather than the physical act itself or the process involved.

401 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:17:30pm

re: #397 esch

there is my problem with organized religion

402 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:17:31pm

re: #387 Dustyvet

Although Nobelists tend to have dynamite personalities, Niels was a Bohr, and Linus was a Pauling.

I'm glad you explained that Fermi.

403 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:17:44pm

re: #384 winston06

can not... the whole institution makes me angry.

too freakin bad... get help.

404 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:17:49pm

re: #399 winston06

for abandoning their god's words. LOL

How do we know God's word wasn't "Evolve"?

405 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:17:53pm

re: #390 jcm

Good night!

406 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:18:06pm

re: #403 brookly red

no thanks

407 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:18:08pm

Go back, Sam. I'm going to Mordor alone.

408 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:18:13pm

re: #333 Cato the Elder

If it's as lame as the ones in Chicago and Washington today, well, you'll do better jerking off at home.

avalanches begin with the last snowflake. have to start somewhere

409 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:18:23pm

Catholic Charities help save my life- literally.

410 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:18:30pm

re: #404 Sharmuta

well one is either a believer in God or not.

411 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:18:43pm

The little green men told me it was the Dog Star. I told them they can't be Sirius.

412 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:18:49pm

re: #407 MandyManners

Go back, Sam. I'm going to Mordor alone.

Of course you are! And I'm coming with you!

413 yesandno  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:19:14pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

re: #222 little boomer

The interviewer has not read the vile Koran.

He also doesn't know about Geert's version of "freedom". It's very unpleasant.

Worse of all, he didn't care....

414 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:19:20pm

re: #410 winston06

Why can't you have both God and evolution?

415 pegcity  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:19:49pm

re: #348 topazpilot

I seem to recall a 52 second video of him saying missle defense was a waste of money

416 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:20:19pm

re: #369 Sharmuta

There was a front page post on this blog of the Church rejecting Intelligent Design!

Breakdown of acceptance of evolution in the USA by religion:

[Link: pewforum.org...]

Catholics aren't doing too badly, relatively speaking. Seems to be the proddies, muslims, mormons, jehovas witnesses that are the worst sinners. Buddhists and Hindus are putting everyone to shame.

417 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:20:30pm

re: #412 Sharmuta

Of course you are! And I'm coming with you!

I gets to carry the ring .. my precious !

418 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:20:49pm

re: #414 Sharmuta

It's hypocritical.

419 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:20:54pm

re: #374 winston06

re: #386 Racer X

Why don't you two just stop and let it go.
I was raised catholic and have had a run in with one of the child molesting priests when I was a kid and I also have several that are very good friends and are very apposed to those child molesters.

So just go sleep it off. Both of you

420 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:20:58pm

re: #407 MandyManners

Go back, Sam. I'm going to Mordor alone.

That scene speaks volumes about the decent side of human nature.

WE DECENT HUMANS WIL PERSEVERE AND PREVAIL.

NEVER FORGET *THIS*.

421 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:20:59pm

re: #414 Sharmuta

Why can't you have both God and evolution?

Some people see life as the Special Chinese Dinner for 4, and think they can have only one from Column A. Eventually, they end up with the Pu-Pu Platter.

/

422 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:21:02pm

re: #418 winston06

No it's not!

423 stonemason  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:21:06pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Yes, I noticed that. Can't stand it. Educate, illuminate, do not ban.

424 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:21:34pm

The Society of St. Pius has a page dedicated to some anti-evolution pseudo science.

[Link: www.sspx.org...]

It's an article filled with atheist paranoia and the usual associations of evolution-Darwin-communism. This one adds violence. The article is from 1997 and even rehashes punctuated equilibrium which would have been after the court case.

In 1947, Bishop O’Gara was imprisoned by the Chinese Communists and wrote from his prison cell regarding the Marxist indoctrination of his flock. A number of them were “hopeless” to the new regime and were executed. Those considered “salvageable” had to attend a week-long class as the new “People’s Republic” was born. His letter described the retraining classes. He does not refer to Marxist philosophy, redistribution of wealth, or even basic socialist principles, but rather Darwinian evolution. This was what was considered the first vital step towards a cooperative communist populace. Eliminate God the Creator, eliminate original sin, replace God with the State.

425 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:21:39pm

re: #396 winston06

probably!

Man, for some reason you sure have a gripe against the Catholic Church.

426 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:21:44pm

re: #418 winston06

It's hypocritical.

I usually stay out of these discussions, but I am curious how you arrive at that conclusion.

427 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:22:04pm

re: #422 Sharmuta

You either believe in god or not. cant have it both ways. hypocrisy and self delusion is a bad mix.

428 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:22:16pm

re: #401 winston06

there is my problem with organized religion

And everything else organized?

429 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:22:16pm

re: #425 Macker

Man, for some reason you sure have a gripe against the Catholic Church.

And if you look at his dinging, he's quite petty.

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:22:26pm

re: #385 Macker

Not all Caholic priests are child molesters.

One of my father's friends from church was attending Mass one Sunday, when Father told the congregation that he had an announcement to make--that there was scandal involving the parish, but the parish was cooperating with SFPD, and everything was being done in an appropriate way...

This was at the height of the sex abuse scandals, and my dad's friend was sitting in the pew, nearly sick with fear, trying to figure out which of the priests in the community we were talking about.

When she realized through the buzzing in her ears that Father was explaining that a parish employee had been accused of embezzling diocese funds, she said, she felt an incredible rush of relief. "Oh, well," she said later, "it's only embezzling!" She's an accountant, BTW.

It's been a tough decade for the faithful.

431 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:22:27pm

re: #388 SanFranciscoZionist

There's better curly bulbs and worse curly bulbs. I can't figure it out exactly, but some of the ones I've bought seem to light just like the old ones, and some are awful.

I haven't noticed that they make any difference in power bills, but they do last basically forever.

I don't see a difference in electric bills either. If they last five times as long it is worth paying five times more for them. I spend way too much time wandering around the house changing light bulbs; the less I have to do that the better.

432 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:22:37pm

re: #401 winston06

I wasn't just referring to religions.

433 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:22:44pm

1,2,3,4, winston declares a ding war

434 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:22:52pm

re: #412 Sharmuta

Of course you are! And I'm coming with you!

Don't talk. Not now.

435 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:22:58pm

re: #420 MandyManners

That scene speaks volumes about the decent side of human nature.
WE DECENT HUMANS WIL PERSEVERE AND PREVAIL.
NEVER FORGET *THIS*.

Wooden that be nice...

436 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:23:17pm

re: #426 Creeping Eruption

you either believe fully in god or you don't. that simple

437 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:23:23pm

re: #427 winston06

Who is to say God didn't use evolution? There are references in the Bible that could be interpreted as such.

438 topazpilot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:23:30pm

re: #415 pegcity

I wouldn't be surprised. Obama is a master of the 180. What I find funny is how blindly Obamanated is the media. During the Bush administration missile defense was a colossal failure and waste of money, now when Obama is in office they suddenly report that we'll shoot down the North Korean missile as if there won't be a single glitch, as if miraculously missile defense is a foregone conclusion and success. It's annoying.

439 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:23:31pm

re: #428 Steve

like organized crime? lol

440 WF Bach  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:23:38pm

re: #398 Racer X

An old man goes into a drug store to buy some Viagra...
'Can I have 6 tablets, cut in quarters?'

'I can cut them for you' said Dan the pharmacist 'but a quarter tablet will not give you a full erection. '

'I'm 96' said the old man. 'I don't want an erection, I just want it sticking out far enough so I don't piss on my slippers.'

Excellent, that's a keeper.

441 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:23:40pm

{Mandy}

442 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:23:54pm

re: #427 winston06

You either believe in god or not. cant have it both ways. hypocrisy and self delusion is a bad mix.

yes, and slander & libel are crimes.

443 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:23:55pm

re: #420 MandyManners

That scene speaks volumes about the decent side of human nature.

WE DECENT HUMANS WIL PERSEVERE AND PREVAIL.

NEVER FORGET *THIS*.

Frodo and Sam were Tolkin's everyday heroes. Men like them were one of the major reasons Britain was able to prevail twice against Germany. Another major reason was the Lee-Enfield Rifle. ;)

444 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:23:59pm

re: #436 winston06

you either believe fully in god or you don't. that simple

I get that, but why is belief in God and the theory of evolution incompatible?

445 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:24:04pm

re: #363 nyc redneck

...the electricians took all the 'bad' bulbs out and screwed in the florescent ones...

You need electricians to screw in a light bulb?

446 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:24:14pm

re: #419 Steve

No worries.

Gaze mode is fully engaged.

447 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:24:19pm

re: #437 Sharmuta

that's called Creation.

448 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:24:40pm

re: #442 brookly red

against religion? woohoo.....

449 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:24:44pm

re: #399 winston06

for abandoning their god's words. LOL

Eh? The Church were never literalists when it came to scripture.

450 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:24:51pm

re: #436 winston06

you either believe fully in god or you don't. that simple

what happens to people when they die, if they don't believe in God?

451 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:25:16pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

You need electricians to screw in a light bulb?

Maybe her building actually has maintenance.

I'm the whole crew, but I live in the 'burbs.

452 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:25:35pm

re: #433 OldLineTexan

I am merely responding to down dings of religious fanatics here.

453 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:25:36pm

Winston06:
I'm not sure what you have against Catholics but it sounds like there is some deep resentment and hatred in the tone of your comments. Sure there are problems in the church just like there are problems in every major organization. The Catholics happened to have a small percentage of molesters in their ranks, the protestants seem to gravitate toward hookers, gay sex and swindling. Both groups of people do their best to weed these people out but obviously can't get them all. The vast majority of people affiliated with these two entities do not engage in the aforementioned sins and certainly do not condone them. To bag on the Catholics because of a few incidents, albeit major ones, would be akin to me bagging on unbelievers because a few of them committed some heinous acts of murder or rape. Before you go painting a group with such a broad brush, I would suggest you take a look at your own affiliations and ask yourself if you want to be painted with that same brush just because a few of your members stepped off the beaten path.

454 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:25:42pm

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger

455 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:25:49pm

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

Frodo and Sam were Tolkin's everyday heroes. Men like them were one of the major reasons Britain was able to prevail twice against Germany. Another major reason was the Lee-Enfield Rifle. ;)

Frodo and Sam are ALIVE AND WELL in America.

456 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:25:50pm

re: #348 topazpilot

Way off topic, but it suddenly occurred to me that the media is now reporting that Obama is ready to shoot down and North Korean missile with the missile defense technology. Notice how they suddenly report it like it's a foregone conclusion that the technology is perfect and ready to be deployed, whereas not long ago they were still implying that it was a colossal failure and waste of money, not to mention potentially destabilizing. I wonder what changed? psh

"I will not weaponize space!"
BHO

457 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:25:53pm

re: #438 topazpilot

Its a crime. The reporting of news and media in the US as of the moment is depressing because there is no real news. Only what is deemed to be fit to be presented, and its all fluff and light. It might as well have come direct from a Hollywood bungalow.

458 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:26:04pm

re: #450 albusteve

no one has come from that so-called other world to tell us about it so I assume there is none.

459 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:26:11pm

re: #447 winston06

Cling to your false dichotomy and pettiness then and suit yourself. I pity you.

460 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:26:14pm

re: #446 Racer X

No worries.

Gaze mode is fully engaged.

Okay.

461 BatGuano  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:26:24pm

re: #376 NY Nana

I understand you rage ,as much as some one born in this country can. I was lucky, I knew one of my grandmothers. The lucky one. I see something going on in this country that I beliee some conservative's don't fully realize.

462 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:26:38pm

re: #453 Jetpilot1101

I hate religions in general. Have the same anger towards Islam too.

463 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:26:49pm

DING THIS POST

/Abby Hofflizard

464 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:26:50pm

re: #456 swamprat

"I will not weaponize space!"
BHO

Like I keep saying: every time he engages in hypocrisy, it is a good thing.

465 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:26:58pm

re: #436 winston06

you either believe fully in god or you don't. that simple

Are you a creationist?

466 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:27:02pm

re: #459 Sharmuta

dont need your pity. keep it to yourself.

467 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:27:17pm

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

are you?

468 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:27:27pm

re: #452 winston06

I am merely responding to down dings of religious fanatics here.

Which one am I?

469 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:27:31pm

re: #448 winston06

against religion? woohoo.....

no against individuals, in this case a pretty foul one, but again you have no proof. And you have no audience.

470 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:27:54pm

Methinks someone is drinking some booze.

471 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:28:02pm

re: #453 Jetpilot1101

and I belong to no specific group

472 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:28:24pm

re: #468 OldLineTexan

if you ding downed me then you got ding downed too. if not, then dont worry

473 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:28:24pm

re: #455 MandyManners

Frodo and Sam are ALIVE AND WELL in America.

Could you please upding my post? Winston downdinged me for an unrelated reason.

474 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:28:33pm

re: #452 winston06

I am merely responding to down dings of religious fanatics here.


Everyone who criticizes you is a religious fanatic?

475 topazpilot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:28:38pm

re: #436 winston06

You are what's wrong with the entire creation-evolution debate. People that say it has to be 100% this and it can't be any of that. Why couldn't God have used the process of evolution in the creation of man? Why does it have to be either evolution-no god or God-no evolution? Petty pseudo-intellectuals like yourself is what keeps people divided on minor issues and unwilling to join together on the major ones.

476 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:28:38pm

re: #471 winston06

and I belong to no specific group

I can think of a couple.

477 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:28:43pm

re: #469 brookly red

thats not up to you!

478 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:28:58pm

re: #436 winston06

you either believe fully in god or you don't. that simple

Absolutism is a poor defense for insanity. You live longer than 6 .. you are going to realise that the world never works in a strict black or white, it works with a mix of both. Yin and Yang create a balance .. not a determinant course of action.

479 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:29:03pm

re: #474 Jim in Virginia

no. every one defending religion could be a fanatic

480 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:29:03pm

re: #467 winston06

are you?

I am not.

481 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:29:07pm

re: #476 rawmuse

I can think of a couple.

Human comes to mind.

482 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:29:13pm

re: #466 winston06

Dude- you dinged down a hug completely unrelated to you. It speaks a lot about you. You've earned my pity.

483 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:29:35pm

re: #476 rawmuse

cool

484 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:29:35pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

You need electricians to screw in a light bulb?

LOL
you need a brain to understand i was trying to be part of a "green" initiative program in the city?

485 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:29:36pm

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

Probably because you may have said something to him which pissed him off.

486 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:29:43pm

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

good for u

487 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:29:52pm

re: #456 swamprat

"I will not weaponize space!"
BHO


All of BHO's promises have an expiration date.
All of them.

488 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:30:05pm

re: #482 Sharmuta

Like I said, I don't need yours. Keep it to yourself.

489 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:30:17pm

re: #318 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Boy, is it Eberhard to do someone a Faber around here!

Good grief. That was GOOOOOOOOOOOD !

490 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:30:29pm

re: #488 winston06

Like I said, I don't need yours. Keep it to yourself.

Make me.

491 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:30:38pm

Aliens are lovable because they're so spatial.

492 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:31:04pm

re: #472 winston06

if you ding downed me then you got ding downed too. if not, then dont worry

That is a childish and immature action.

493 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:31:20pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

go away dear...

494 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:31:33pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

Can we stop with the puffed up chests in here? I feel like i'm about to watch a cock fight and not be able to bet on the winner!

495 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:31:38pm

re: #462 winston06

I hate religions in general. Have the same anger towards Islam too.

Then you are basing your worldview on rage and hate. The problem with that is it rapidly becomes an addiction and you need to go further and further afield into conspiracy theories to keep fueling the same 'rush' of anger. This is the same kind of obsession that drives radical islamists, anti-semites, troofers, etc.

496 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:31:56pm

re: #492 Steve

yes... yes... ask those who did it

497 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:31:59pm

re: #489 wolfie

Good grief. That was GOOOOOOOOOOOD !

heh ... I was (honestly) coming up with a blank on Ticonderoga ...
... then suddenly ...

498 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:32:01pm

re: #472 winston06

if you ding downed me then you got ding downed too. if not, then dont worry

I didn't downding you, pal. I've seen you have this exact same meltdown here before. Bo-RING.

But I'll call you an asshole.

499 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:32:09pm

This seems to be a late Friday night drill for Winston. Are you in your cups? If so perhaps you ought to consider the Ironfist rule.

500 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:32:14pm

Now would be a good time for a new thread!

Hey, how about Noa and Mira going to Eurovision?

501 topazpilot  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:32:17pm

re: #472 winston06

You're downdinging for petty childish reasons, whereas those who downdinged you did it based upon fundamental disagreements. You made it personal because your intellectual argument was vapid and empty.

502 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:32:21pm

re: #494 Buster Bunny

Sorry. Although, I'm laughing.

503 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:32:41pm

re: #495 esch

don't need to. Evidence that is in plain view will not make me cling to conspiracy theories.

504 jaunte  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:32:57pm

More about Alain de Benoist:

The editor of Nouvelle Ecole is Alain de Benoist, who also publishes under the pseudonym of Fabrice Laroche. Perhaps Benoist is more predisposed to the Nordic nonsense of Riger et al than many of his French colleagues on Nouvelle Ecole. He is in fact on the Advisory Board of Neue Anthropologie and in 1976 contributed a lengthy article on 'The misfortunes of the highly-gifted'. Moreover the French edition of Who's Who lists de Benoist as a member of the Society of Friends of Bayreuth.

De Benoist is one of the leading members of the French intellectual movement 'Groupement de Reserche et d'Etudes pour la Civilisation Européenne' (GRECE), whose meetings are advertised in Nouvelle Ecole. GRECE represents an amalgam of French Right-wing intellectuals. Foremost among the ideas propagated by GRECE is the notion that different races have different sorts of intelligence; it also promotes an interest in eugenics.

GRECE has some extremely influential supporters in France. For instance the director and editor of the national newspaper, Figaro Dimanche - Louis Pauwels and Patrice de Plunkett - are supporters; they are also on the editorial committee of Nouvelle Ecole. GRECE actively disseminates the ideas of Jensen and Eysenck; its publishing company, Copernicus, has recently brought out French editions of Eysenck's books The Inequality of Man and Race, Intelligence and Education.


[Link: www.ferris.edu...]

Searching mentions of GRECE brought up this posting about Quebec fascists, which mentions Williamson's 'virulently racist sermon'. It also has a list of other people who spoke to meetings of the "Cercle d'etudes des jeunes catholiques traditionalistes."
[Link: www.hartford-hwp.com...]

505 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:00pm

re: #498 OldLineTexan

I call you an asshole too! Happy?

506 Steve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:11pm

re: #496 winston06

yes... yes... ask those who did it

No, the fact that you do it out of revenge for having it done. Go home and take you meds.

507 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:21pm

re: #470 Gus 802

Methinks someone is drinking some booze.

I just finished a Guinness.

Me likey.

508 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:22pm

re: #488 winston06

Like I said, I don't need yours. Keep it to yourself.

I'm going to stop posting for a short time to help this situation cool off. All the people arguing here are valued posters (RacerX, winston06, Sharmuta, all of you) and so I'm going to back off to try to de-escalate the situation.

509 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:43pm

re: #447 winston06

that's called Creation.

And, many would say that we call you "ASSHOLE".

510 stonemason  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:48pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

Make me.

LOL...I'm gonna pray for him!

511 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:50pm

if I ever become vapid and empty someone please kill me...thanks

512 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:52pm

re: #376 NY Nana

Obama chills me & the fawning of his followers chills me even more.

513 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:58pm

re: #506 Steve

I am home...

514 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:33:59pm

re: #497 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh ... I was (honestly) coming up with a blank on Ticonderoga ...
... then suddenly ...

On organic farms they till it like it is.

515 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:34:01pm

re: #503 winston06

don't need to. Evidence that is in plain view will not make me cling to conspiracy theories.

Thanks for proving my point.

GAZE

516 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:34:21pm

Good Night All.

517 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:34:21pm

re: #509 MandyManners

You're the chief asshole for sure

518 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:35:19pm

re: #517 winston06

You're the chief asshole for sure

There is a heirarchy ?

519 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:35:22pm

re: #502 Sharmuta

Sorry. Although, I'm laughing.

Yeah, he said cockfight.

Heh heh. Heh.

520 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:35:39pm

re: #518 Buster Bunny

I guess... I see one here. don't you?

521 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:35:42pm

re: #519 OldLineTexan

Yeah, he said cockfight.

Heh heh. Heh.

LMAO!

522 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:35:47pm

re: #511 albusteve

if I ever become vapid and empty someone please kill me...thanks

Careful - it will downding you for that.

523 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:35:49pm

re: #454 Racer X

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger

No doubt.

524 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:35:50pm

When the plums dry on your tree, it's time to prune.

525 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:36:21pm

re: #505 winston06

I call you an asshole too! Happy?

Of course I'm happy. Unlike you.

526 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:36:33pm

[Link: www.npr.org...]

The Catholic Church and Sex Abuse

527 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:36:45pm

re: #525 OldLineTexan

I am very happy

528 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:37:08pm
Youtube Video
529 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:37:14pm

re: #523 MandyManners

Would a Lady Lizard please negate the downding?

530 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:37:27pm

re: #522 Racer X

Careful - it will downding you for that.

it's hard to be relevant here....but vapid is a consideration....be careful bro

531 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:37:34pm

re: #518 Buster Bunny

There is a heirarchy ?

Who knew?

532 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:38:02pm

re: #527 winston06

I am very happy

Hence the public fit. I see.

533 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:38:03pm

re: #531 OldLineTexan

no one knew there are self appointed assholes

534 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:38:26pm

re: #514 Dustyvet

On organic farms they till it like it is.

... rotating crops with crap ...
/that glass of wine has taken hold ---- cheap Iron fISt roole hear *hic*

535 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:38:41pm

re: #532 OldLineTexan

It can be misleading ;-) but I am as happy as one can be

536 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:38:47pm

Winston .. stop with the hammering of people with dinging them down. Its not nice and it wasnt ever designated as a personal grudge hammer.

537 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:38:49pm

re: #347 Ojoe

A chilling video.

And check out the pose resemblance here: (Mussolini)
Mussolini

These times are becoming a nightmare

fewer people are worshiping G-d

I did not make the connection, but there is a scary resemblance in the pose. And The One looks soooooo full of himself. That video was actually done during the election, and I was dumb enough to think that anyone who saw it would be frightened out of their wits at the dead eyes in those brainwashed innocent children.

Now? The alleged adults are the ones who are in a stupor. They will have a very rude awakening, if they do, indeed, awaken in time.

Youtube Video
538 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:38:49pm

Beer Bottle Symphony Orchestra

539 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:38:52pm

Some music for the cockfights:

Youtube Video
540 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:39:15pm

OK, I am ready to call the Catholic bashing hate speech... anyone care to second.

541 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:39:15pm

Notsniw?

542 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:39:18pm

re: #509 MandyManners

And, many would say that we call you "ASSHOLE".

Winston, get a fucking grip. Again. Please.

543 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:39:29pm

re: #536 Buster Bunny

I am not at fault for it

544 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:39:56pm

re: #524 Dustyvet

When the plums dry on your tree, it's time to prune.

That metaphor's PAINFUL!
(-: up-ding!

545 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:39:57pm

Winston...I'm sorry you've got such a hair up your ass tonight.

546 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:40:05pm

re: #542 MandyManners

who has appointed you to be the chief of assholes here?

547 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:40:22pm

re: #534 pre-Boomer Marine brat

... rotating crops with crap ...
/that glass of wine has taken hold ---- cheap Iron fISt roole hear *hic*

I'm having a glass of that new wine from Iraq...White Infadel...:)

548 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:40:53pm

re: #528 swamprat

Well, everybody liked dinging so much...

549 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:41:00pm

re: #513 winston06

I am home...

Pardon my impertinence but, IIRC, you're a fucking pup.

550 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:41:04pm

re: #533 winston06

no one knew there are self appointed assholes

winston, pal, that's the most common kind!

I myself am self-trained. Never took a lesson.

/

551 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:41:27pm

re: #549 MandyManners

And you are a fucking moron.

552 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:41:47pm

re: #516 Ojoe

Good Night All.

Sweet dreams, Ojoe!

553 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:41:50pm

re: #550 OldLineTexan

I have to agree ;-)

554 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:41:52pm

re: #547 Dustyvet

I'm having a glass of that new wine from Iraq...White Infadel...:)

how do you describe it?
could i have a sip?

555 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:41:55pm

re: #540 brookly red

OK, I am ready to call the Catholic bashing hate speech... anyone care to second.

I'd say he's crossing the line.

556 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:42:18pm

re: #551 winston06

And you are a fucking moron.

Umm you kiss your mum with that mouth?

557 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:42:23pm

re: #555 Thanos

I'd say he's crossing the line.

Second!

558 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:42:28pm

re: #555 Thanos

whose line? LOL...

559 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:42:30pm

re: #551 winston06

And you are a fucking moron.

you are over the line sir.

560 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:42:46pm

re: #556 Dustyvet

LOL.. no grandpa!

561 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:42:59pm

A Spot of Math.............
What Makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%. How about achieving 103%? What makes up 100% in life?

Here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions:

If:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

is represented as:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.

Then:

H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K
8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%


and


K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E
11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

But ,

A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E
1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

And,

B-U-L-L-S -H-I-T
2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

AND, look how far ass kissing will take you.

A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G
1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty, that While Hard work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, its Bullshit and Ass kissing that will put you over the top.

562 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:43:09pm

re: #559 brookly red

I merely defended myself. That chief A**hole was over the line way before I was.

563 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:43:10pm

Stinky's line.

564 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:43:47pm

re: #517 winston06

You're the chief asshole for sure

WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I AM NO. 1!

Finally!

565 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:43:54pm

re: #560 winston06

LOL.. no grandpa!

Thought not...

566 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:44:13pm
567 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:44:27pm

re: #564 MandyManners

You're Number One!
You're Number One!
You're Number One!
You're Number One!

568 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:44:31pm

re: #560 winston06

winston,
you are doing this again. you are going to get yourself in trouble.
can you try to settle down? at all.

569 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:44:37pm

winston...I'd like to de-escalte here....you seem like a decent guy, why don't you not find new names to call people...take the high ground and back off?

570 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:44:49pm

re: #561 Racer X

Actually the asshole who ask for giving more than a 100% is probably stealing from someone else.

Still a good mathematical representation.

571 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:45:06pm

Ima gonna go get a stick.

572 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:45:11pm

re: #562 winston06

I merely defended myself. That chief A**hole was over the line way before I was.

Go sleep it off chum.

573 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:45:15pm

re: #551 winston06

Petty insults make you sound petulant and childish and certainly won't help you convince others you are right. Well reasoned arguments and intelligent discourse would be your best friend; crawling into the gutter and insulting well respected posters is no way to win hearts and minds.

574 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:45:21pm

re: #562 winston06

I merely defended myself. That chief A**hole was over the line way before I was.

me thinks not...

575 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:45:25pm

re: #452 winston06

I am merely responding to down dings of religious fanatics here.

I didn't want you to think that you were getting ganged up on by "religious fanatics", so I down dinged you for no reason at all. As Jackson, the Indian said in "Cat Ballou", "I got rights too!" :-)

576 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:45:35pm

So I am checking in on the thread, asking myself -

"Wonder what we are drinking tonight?"

One thing for sure - it ain't Sacramental Wine.

577 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:45:48pm

re: #568 nyc redneck

I am completely willing to settle it down... ;-) but defending myself against bunch of hypocrites is fun

578 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:45:59pm

re: #564 MandyManners

WIth honors.

I think you can retire now and be an Asshole Emeritus.

579 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:46:10pm

re: #562 winston06

Winston, please ... I value things you contribute here.
Please back off.
Let it go.
/otherwise, staying out of it

580 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:46:25pm

re: #569 albusteve

winston...I'd like to de-escalte here....you seem like a decent guy, why don't you not find new names to call people...take the high ground and back off?

I vote for de-escalation. Everyone. Please. Yeesh.

581 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:46:31pm

re: #578 unclassifiable

WIth honors.

I think you can retire now and be an Asshole Emeritus.

Sphinctus Emeritus

582 itellu3times  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:46:35pm

can't he just be persecuted for stupidity?

gawd, imagine the prisons you'd need if that were the case.

583 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:46:40pm

re: #574 brookly red

me thinks not...

it was...there is never a reason to call someone an asshole first...it always goes downhill from there...

584 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:46:41pm

re: #569 albusteve

I didn't start it. People seem to be hairy if any one called the catholic church a corrupt and abusive entity.

585 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:47:14pm

re: #543 winston06

I am not at fault for it

Who is holding a gun to your head?

Winston, it's time to get a grip. YOU HAVE THE POWER.

586 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:47:36pm

re: #574 brookly red

me thinks YES

587 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:47:41pm

Just popped in to see what's up with the world, and...

Hey Winston, what's this whole "hate" thing all about? Good grief what a load of poison to carry about my friend. Are you okay?

588 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:47:41pm

re: #504 jaunte

More about Alain de Benoist:

[Link: www.ferris.edu...]

Searching mentions of GRECE brought up this posting about Quebec fascists, which mentions Williamson's 'virulently racist sermon'. It also has a list of other people who spoke to meetings of the "Cercle d'etudes des jeunes catholiques traditionalistes."
[Link: www.hartford-hwp.com...]

And then there's the guy mentioned in Medaura's latest essay:

[...] Philippe Rushton, the “scientific” racialist who believes that white intellectual superiority over blacks can be inversely correlated to size of genitalia [...]

One really tends to underestimate these people. I thought I had heard every sick variant by now, but no. "Small dick = high IQ"! Now there's a correlation that I would have thought even these racist idiots would be too proud to make. But no - anything to prove your point.

Cheese dicks. Mini ones.

589 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:48:01pm

re: #577 winston06

So please point to all of us, each one, where we're all hypocrites.

/chirping_crickets

590 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:48:07pm

re: #577 winston06

It is you who is the fanatic here. Those of us accepting evolution as a mechanism both true and Divine are not hypocrites because you think we should read the Bible literally. The Torah and Bible are not science books. All you've done is paint yourself as an ass.

591 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:48:11pm

re: #580 SanFranciscoZionist

I vote for de-escalation. Everyone. Please. Yeesh.

this is not the first time.

592 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:48:18pm

I think Charles really needs to add an ignore button.

593 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:48:25pm

re: #585 MandyManners

and you have the power to cease being the self appointed moral police here. Just stop being an asshole and every thing is gonna be fine.

594 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:48:39pm

re: #559 brookly red

you are over the line sir.

Agreed. Winston, please stop. I am sorry if I was harsh, but I would ask you to please respect my views on the Catholic Church. I for my part will respect yours. Does that suffice as an apology?

595 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:48:55pm

re: #592 Dustyvet

yep

596 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:49:05pm

re: #584 winston06

I didn't start it. People seem to be hairy if any one called the catholic church a corrupt and abusive entity.

I know...I've been here...I'm just asking to drop it...I didn't think it was fair either but it's gone far enough...do yourself a favor that's all

597 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:49:26pm

re: #593 winston06

and you have the power to cease being the self appointed moral police here. Just stop being an asshole and every thing is gonna be fine.

Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black.

598 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:49:48pm
599 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:50:06pm

re: #597 Jetpilot1101

maybe

600 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:50:12pm

re: #578 unclassifiable

WIth honors.

I think you can retire now and be an Asshole Emeritus.

Never.

601 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:50:26pm

re: #348 topazpilot

Way off topic, but it suddenly occurred to me that the media is now reporting that Obama is ready to shoot down and North Korean missile with the missile defense technology. Notice how they suddenly report it like it's a foregone conclusion that the technology is perfect and ready to be deployed, whereas not long ago they were still implying that it was a colossal failure and waste of money, not to mention potentially destabilizing. I wonder what changed? psh

Maybe nothing. We'll find out if the missile is launched and shot at. But consider: if you're going to mutter about shooting it down, it might be a good idea to mutter in a confident tone. The NKs would have no real way to distinguish between confidence founded in reality, and projected confidence.

602 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:50:38pm

re: #592 Dustyvet

I think Charles really needs to add an ignore button.

but what abt. the white infadel wine?
could i try that stuff?

603 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:50:41pm

re: #588 Cato the Elder

One really tends to underestimate these people. I thought I had heard every sick variant by now, but no. "Small dick = high IQ"! Now there's a correlation that I would have thought even these racist idiots would be too proud to make. But no - anything to prove your point.

Cheese dicks. Mini ones.

Well, given that racists have long a. insisted that whites were smarter than blacks and b. feared that blacks had bigger penises than whites, it makes sense that sooner or later they would unite the two theories.

604 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:50:57pm

re: #598 winston06

Every ding you got from me is from an atheist.

605 jaunte  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:50:58pm

re: #588 Cato the Elder

It's the "Cercle des pénis d'oiseau."

606 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:51:04pm

re: #587 The Shadow Do

I am fine man.

607 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:51:14pm

re: #602 nyc redneck

but what abt. the white infadel wine?
could i try that stuff?

Sure...wink...:)

608 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:51:15pm

re: #593 winston06

and you have the power to cease being the self appointed moral police here. Just stop being an asshole and every thing is gonna be fine.

/if you had to live in Bedrock, which Flintstones character would you be?

609 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:51:15pm

Theo Spark

Lots of good stuff on this guy's site, however some of it is questionable / NSFW.

Click at your own risk.

610 Lynn B.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:51:28pm

winston has ... issues. He gets a lot of slack here, probably because of his background.

But this isn't the first time he's melted down and he's an equal opportunity hater.

winston, I'm truly sorry for whatever you went through in Iran that turned you this way but you need to try to get over it. You're turning your friends here into enemies. It almost seems like that's what you're trying to do to reinforce your own cynicism about the world and particularly the role that religion of any sort plays in it.

Sad.

611 AndyMacOP  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:51:29pm

This winston06 fella kinda makes me not want to get ordained to the priesthood this May.
/

612 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:51:42pm

re: #604 Thanos

Could you take them back now? don't need them... thnx

613 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:51:50pm

re: #598 winston06

You guess?

You don't know yourself well enough to know?re: #600 MandyManners

Never.

Hah -- got tenure and won't quit.

614 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:51:58pm

BTW -

I am a Catholic, former catechist, and someone who is not as regular a parishoner as I used to be.

And guess what - the molestation issue pissed me off and put a wedge between me and the Church. Frankly, the Church never showed the deep felt regret and contrition that we, the faithful, are supposed to when we have wronged God, ourselves and our community.

So when people get cynical about Catholicism, I give them a little space. Outright hate? No. But skepticism towards a hierarchy that makes claims of infallibility? I won't get in the way of such arguments.

As for cynicism toward religion in general? I differentiate religion from belief. Religion is ultimately a social institution whereas belief is between a person and his/her creator.

JMO.

615 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:52:01pm

re: #580 SanFranciscoZionist

I vote for de-escalation. Everyone. Please. Yeesh.

Hey! Who da fuck asked you! Huh?!?

:-)

616 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:52:09pm

re: #608 Killian Bundy

/if you had to live in Bedrock, which Flintstones character would you be?

Normally I'd say Barney Rubble, but I don't want to end up in the sack with Rosie O'Donnell!

617 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:52:10pm

re: #458 winston06

Uhhmm, I hate to tell you this, but I have. It has been a long trip back, but no one has to believe me. They just have to talk with the emergency and hospital personnel. I have been constantly told by them there is some reason I came back from the dead. It is very weird, but I have known the helicopter crew that took me to the hospital. And the ambulance crew who gave me CPR.
If you are worried about catholics, don't be. I know the church has had problems before, I can name names if I had to. Child molesters, alcoholics, etc. But they were not angels, they were real people who committed sins, and even crimes. But the church tries to handle things themselves. Not government help. They have done allot of good things. I have no complaints about religious people here in the states I have known.
I am off to sleep, since I have the race car to work on tomorrow, and if you have a comment or question, I will answer back tomorrow.
Night all.

618 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:52:25pm

re: #410 winston06

Our son in law is an atheist, yet we adore him, and he does everything possible, and then some, to make sure that our nearly 2 1/2 year old grandson (no 29th of Feb. this year) gets a Jewish education. He goes to a Chabad Gan. (pre-school).

It just has not been a problem, as he is respectful of religions, but is just not a believer, since he was 10.

To try and force anyone to believe? It is an insult, IMHO.

619 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:52:52pm

re: #563 Thanos

Stinky's line.

Man, that was psychic.

620 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:52:54pm

re: #613 unclassifiable

Wow -- a run on comment I haven't even been drinking.

621 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:53:24pm
622 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:53:51pm

re: #608 Killian Bundy

Mr. Slate.

623 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:54:10pm

re: #598 winston06

I guess. I have problems with religious fanatics be it catholics, muslims or whatever. And boy we've a lot of them here.

With all due respect, we don't. Things just got hostile and harsh words got spoken. I understand how you feel, but I am asking you to please take my word that Mandy and Sharmuta are not fanatics.

624 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:54:39pm

re: #593 winston06

and you have the power to cease being the self appointed moral police here. Just stop being an asshole and every thing is gonna be fine.

You have the power to check reality.

That said, GO FUCK YOURSELF.

625 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:54:44pm

re: #623 Dark_Falcon

they act like one though. Hard to believe when they act like idiots.

626 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:55:09pm

re: #621 winston06

why don't you get in the sauna for a few minutes and then get out and roll in the snow?
it's fun.

627 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:55:21pm

Charles Joseph Watters (January 17, 1927 – November 19, 1967) was a Chaplain (Major) in the United States Army. He was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for bravery exhibited while rescuing wounded men in the Battle of Dak To. He was killed in the battle in a friendly fire incident when a 500-pound bomb was dropped on American paratroopers near the triage area where he was working.

Chaplain Watters is one of seven chaplains to receive the Medal of Honor.[1]

Charles Joseph Watters was born on January 17, 1927 in Jersey City, New Jersey. Watters attended Seton Hall Preparatory School and went on to graduate from Seton Hall University. He was ordained as a Catholic priest[2] in 1953 and served in parishes in Jersey City, Rutherford, Paramus, and Cranford, New Jersey.

628 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:55:29pm

re: #601 lostlakehiker

Maybe nothing. We'll find out if the missile is launched and shot at. But consider: if you're going to mutter about shooting it down, it might be a good idea to mutter in a confident tone. The NKs would have no real way to distinguish between confidence founded in reality, and projected confidence.

See your point. My own sense is that Obama is covering himself in case an attempt to shoot it down fails - some guy at the Pentagon can be blamed. If Obama were to say "We'll shoot it down" then he would be on the hook if it failed.

I expect to see a lot of that from this administration, which leaves space for thugs, tyrants and terrorists to exploit.

629 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:56:14pm

re: #624 MandyManners

you know what best suits your stupidity: Ignoring you and your lunatic pals on this thread. Now you go F yourself. asshole

630 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:56:29pm

re: #625 winston06

they act like one though. Hard to believe when they act like idiots.

Fuck you.

631 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:56:51pm

re: #630 Sharmuta

Go away moron!

632 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:57:43pm

/So . . .how about that local sports team, huh?

633 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:57:44pm

So much for benefit of the doubt.

634 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:57:56pm

re: #507 Racer X

Just rub it in. I am not alowed to drink beer................yet.

635 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:58:03pm

re: #546 winston06

Mandy? Of all people here...not Mandy. Not ever.

636 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:58:07pm

“Silence is the best answer to the stupid”

637 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:58:20pm

re: #615 M. Bensson-Levi



Hey! Who da fuck asked you! Huh?!?

:-)


OH, izzat how it's gonna be? Yeah?

;)

638 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:58:39pm

My goodness.

639 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:59:00pm

re: #636 winston06

“Silence is the best answer to the stupid”

take your own advice amigo...

640 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:59:11pm

re: #638 Cognito

My goodness.

Indeed

641 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:59:12pm

re: #635 NY Nana

I think she/he is an asshole of supreme quality. Yep!

642 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:59:12pm

re: #638 Cognito

My goodness.

Painful to watch.

643 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:59:29pm

re: #639 albusteve

I am exercising...

644 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 8:59:32pm

re: #638 Cognito

My goodness.

It's enough to put one off one's tea. Care for a scone? They're fresh this morning!

645 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:00:03pm

re: #631 winston06

Go away moron!

/are you a lumberjack?

646 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:00:09pm

re: #632 Creeping Eruption

/So . . .how about that local sports team, huh?

Now that's abusive!
(Leafs/Raptors)

647 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:00:13pm

re: #636 winston06

“Silence is the best answer to the stupid”

As long as you shut the frak up, so will we.

648 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:00:13pm

Please stop all the cursing. Its turned a good thread into a sewer. Charles, new thread please!

649 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:00:30pm

re: #647 Macker

you can start yourself

650 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:00:53pm

re: #631 winston06

Sharmuta, too? I cannot believe what I am seeing. Please read your own posts on this thread tonight, please.

651 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:00:58pm

I'm a fanatic Theistic evolutionist. Booga booga!

652 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:00:58pm

re: #638 Cognito

Golly!

653 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:01:05pm

So.

I guess I will drink beer then.

654 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:01:10pm

re: #644 OldLineTexan

It's enough to put one off one's tea. Care for a scone? They're fresh this morning!

Got a glazed doughnut? I could use one of those.

655 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:01:18pm

The Crevasse - Making of 3D Street Art

656 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:01:23pm

axman....

Youtube Video
657 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:01:33pm

re: #638 Cognito

My goodness.

How dare you try to claim this "goodness" for your own?

*snicker*

658 wee fury  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:01:54pm

Static cling is an irritating phenomenon.

659 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:02:06pm

re: #653 karmic_inquisitor

So.

I guess I will drink beer then.

Gonna join you. Micro brew close by just released their Mai Bock.

660 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:02:17pm

re: #650 NY Nana

I am. Nothing to see there.

661 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:02:38pm

re: #641 winston06

winston, most people here are not religious fanatics, one way or the other.
they are very tolerant. you do not have to be so defensive.

662 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:03:00pm

re: #636 winston06

“Silence is the best answer to the stupid”

So why don't you give it a try?

663 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:03:08pm

re: #659 Creeping Eruption

Gonna join you. Micro brew close by just released their Mai Bock.

In the almost 3 weeks I've been off work for this frakked-up back injury, there was something missing from my recovery. Now I grabbed it.
Green Tea. AHHHHHHHH....

664 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:03:29pm

re: #654 Dark_Falcon

Got a glazed doughnut? I could use one of those.

You can get anything you want at a virtual restaurant.

And lucky you, because in local real time you have six hours to wait for doughnuts.

/

665 Lynn B.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:03:41pm

re: #621 winston06

what melt down? what a load of crap... My grudge against Islamism has nothing to do with my grudge against totalitarian nature of the Catholic church. Catholic church is a shameful entity for all the crimes it has done to mankind.

No, it's been on previous threads about Williamson. It's clear that this topic makes you very very angry and I'm sure there's a good reason. I know you don't want to hear this but the people you're lashing out against here are really not your enemies winston. In spite of minor differences, they're really on your side. I wish you could understand that and stop trying to push them away.

666 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:03:42pm

re: #654 Dark_Falcon

Got a glazed doughnut? I could use one of those.

I know a joke with a punch line along those lines. Not sure I am going to pull it out at this moment though.

667 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:03:52pm

Pinhead

Youtube Video
668 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:04:05pm

re: #661 nyc redneck

No I don't have to be defensive. I just respond to their offensive language. Who knew LGF allowed morons to use foul language here. Mind you, I didnt start cursing at them. But they seem to be using it at will.

669 jorline  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:04:13pm

re: #641 winston06

I think she/he is an asshole of supreme quality. Yep!

Is this the reason for your karma getting smaller?

670 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:04:43pm
671 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:04:55pm

re: #664 OldLineTexan

You can get anything you want at a virtual restaurant.

And lucky you, because in local real time you have six hours to wait for doughnuts.

/

Youtube Video
672 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:04:56pm

re: #637 SanFranciscoZionist

OH, izzat how it's gonna be? Yeah?

;)

Some stuff, huh? Looks like we may be the only ones here who brought our sense of humor along...good humor, that is.

So, San Francisco Zionist, is it? I guess that you've got no social life, huh?

673 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:04:57pm

Steve Morse Band - Runaway Train

Some great electric flat picking...

Youtube Video
674 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:05:20pm

re: #670 MikeySDCA

My canon law is a bit shaky, but doesn't it take three bishops to make a new bishop?

No, no. That's "to change a light bulb."

675 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:05:28pm

re: #665 Lynn B.

I have no personal quarrel with Christianity, unlike Islam and I don't think these idiots who easily say "Fuck You" here are on my side. I think they have been given free reign here for really no reason at all.

676 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:05:33pm

re: #655 Racer X

Lord, that'd freak out a trucker doing 75 hauling a big rig.

677 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:05:38pm

re: #670 MikeySDCA

My canon law is a bit shaky, but doesn't it take three bishops to make a new bishop?

kINkY!

678 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:05:43pm

re: #670 MikeySDCA

My canon law is a bit shaky, but doesn't it take three bishops to make a new bishop?

/I thought it was just two . . oh that's checkers. . .forget it.

679 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:05:53pm

WINSTON, GET A GRIP.

GET A GRIP NOW.

680 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:05:56pm

re: #669 jorline

I don't give a ... about that

681 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:06:14pm

re: #670 MikeySDCA

My canon law is a bit shaky, but doesn't it take three bishops to make a new bishop?

They didn't cover that at artillery school...:)


/S

682 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:06:45pm

re: #679 MandyManners

Take your meds and go to bed. it's so late for you...

683 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:07:11pm

re: #664 OldLineTexan

You can get anything you want at a virtual restaurant.

And lucky you, because in local real time you have six hours to wait for doughnuts.

/

In actuality, It'll be even longer. I ate a doughnut today, so I'm not allowing my self another till Monday.

684 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:07:47pm

re: #641 winston06

Cut this out, damn it. You do not even know Mandy and what a good person and spectacualr mother she is. I only pray my granddaughters will have a mother in law like Mandy or Sharm.

Please take a time out. Please. You are too bright and too good a person to do this. Damn, it hurts so much to see someone like you, who I truly like and respect do something like this, and you are doing it to people I like, who, like you, I consider friends.

After all you have been through, you are one of the very last people I would expect this from.

Take it out on me...email me, and let it all out. But please stop this crap.

I feel like crying.

685 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:08:27pm

re: #684 NY Nana

well tell the granny Mandy to cut it out.

686 yesandno  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:08:29pm

Good night all...

It's been real, it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun....

/call me in the morning.

687 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:08:52pm

re: #681 Dustyvet

They didn't cover that at artillery school...:)

/S

They didn't?

688 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:09:28pm

So- the NASA picture earlier reminded me I was still getting through "Journey To The Edge of The Universe" on youtube. Pretty cool stuff from National Geographic for those Lizards interested.

689 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:09:35pm

re: #673 Gus 802

Dixie Dregs!

690 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:09:39pm

re: #665 Lynn B.

Thanks, Lynn.

You did a much better job than I did.

691 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:09:56pm

re: #687 pre-Boomer Marine brat

They didn't?

Shot over-Shot Out...ding...:)

692 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:09:56pm

re: #684 NY Nana

I love you {Nana}!

693 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:10:02pm

re: #689 Racer X

Dixie Dregs!

Yes indeed! Saw them 5 times many moons ago.

694 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:10:30pm

re: #686 yesandno

Good night all...

It's been real, it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun....

/call me in the morning.

Goodnight, YN. Sleep well.

695 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:10:33pm

Heh.

Looks like some real cognitive dissonance over in the "We must recover our moral standing in the world" camp.

[Link: jonathanturley.org...]

Read the comments. Priceless.

These people should have asked for prison construction to be part of the Stimulus Plan - where else will they put all of us?

696 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:11:22pm

How many women with MENOPAUSE does it take to change a light bulb?
One!
ONLY ONE!

And do you know WHY?
Because no one else in this House knows HOW to change a light bulb!
They don't even know that the bulb is burned out!
They would sit in the dark for THREE DAYS before they figured it out.
And, once they figured it out, they wouldn't be able to find the friggen light bulbs despite the fact that they've been in the SAME CABINET for the past 17 YEARS!
But if they did, by some miracle of God, actually find them, 2 DAYS LATER, the chair they dragged to stand on to change the STUPID light bulb would STILL BE IN THE SAME SPOT!
AND UNDERNEATH IT WOULD BE THE WRAPPER THE FREAKING LIGHT BULBS CAME IN!
BECAUSE NO ONE EVER PICKS UP OR CARRIES OUT THE GARBAGE!
IT'S A WONDER WE HAVEN'T ALL SUFFOCATED FROM THE PILES OF GARBAGE THAT ARE A FOOT DEEP THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE HOUSE!
IT WOULD TAKE AN ARMY TO CLEAN THIS PLACE!
AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON WHO CHANGES THE TOILET PAPER ROLL!

I'm sorry. What was the question?

697 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:11:23pm

re: #691 Dustyvet

Shot over-Shot Out...ding...:)

There was one nicknamed the "Bishop", but I couldn't quickly find a simple link to it.

698 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:11:25pm

re: #695 karmic_inquisitor

Heh.

Looks like some real cognitive dissonance over in the "We must recover our moral standing in the world" camp.

[Link: jonathanturley.org...]

Read the comments. Priceless.

These people should have asked for prison construction to be part of the Stimulus Plan - where else will they put all of us?

Bail out GM and make more buses?

699 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:11:26pm

re: #685 winston06

I give up.

700 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:11:56pm

re: #699 NY Nana

dont. tell her to stop the bs

701 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:12:20pm

re: #669 jorline

Is this the reason for your karma getting smaller?

I can't see him without hearing

"I'm just an imp. A gay imp!"

702 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:12:20pm

Howdy. Just back from seeing Waltz With Bashir. Anyone here seen it? Impressions?

703 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:12:21pm

:

704 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:12:30pm

re: #697 pre-Boomer Marine brat

There was one nicknamed the "Bishop", but I couldn't quickly find a simple link to it.

When you do, please let me know...thanks...:)

705 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:12:41pm

re: #697 pre-Boomer Marine brat

There was one nicknamed the "Bishop", but I couldn't quickly find a simple link to it.

Bishop

706 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:12:42pm

re: #702 Occasional Reader

bad reviews on that out there...

707 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:12:48pm

re: #695 karmic_inquisitor

Heh.

Looks like some real cognitive dissonance over in the "We must recover our moral standing in the world" camp.

[Link: jonathanturley.org...]

Read the comments. Priceless.

These people should have asked for prison construction to be part of the Stimulus Plan - where else will they put all of us?

Turley's sig line:

Res ipsa loquitur (”The thing itself speaks”)

The thing in question is his ass.

708 wee fury  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:13:08pm

re: #673 Gus 802
Now added to one of my 1,645,369 favorites. :-)

709 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:13:09pm

re: #703 realwest
Just looking around to see if it's safe to come on thread now?

710 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:13:16pm

I'm eating a bowl of leftover Chinese food reading this melodrama unfold. Jeesh.

711 brookly red  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:13:34pm

re: #699 NY Nana

I give up.

pearls & swine.

712 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:13:44pm

re: #704 Dustyvet

When you do, please let me know...thanks...:)

Ask and thou shalt receive

713 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:13:59pm

re: #702 Occasional Reader

[Link: nymag.com...]

714 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:14:13pm

re: #685 winston06

well tell the granny Mandy to cut it out.

what the hell? she's not the granny mandy. she has a young son.

whoa, sometimes you are like something that got loose from the zoo,
and you need to be caught and covered w/ a blanket to calm you down.
i wish you would stop it. because if you get banned i'll miss you in spite of the trouble you occasionally cause.

715 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:14:25pm

re: #711 brookly red

pearls & swine.

Is that what's in his bowl in #710?

716 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:14:30pm

re: #696 Racer X

I dinged you up a few times on this thread, and THIS is how you repay me? :(

717 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:14:30pm

re: #709 realwest

Just looking around to see if it's safe to come on thread now?

Go get your flack jacket and steal pot...:)

718 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:14:53pm

re: #709 realwest

Howdy RW!

You must have previously pissed off the punk. He downdinged you right outta the gate.

719 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:14:55pm

re: #708 wee fury

Now added to one of my 1,645,369 favorites. :-)

Awesome. Steve Morse plays with Deep Purple now or does solo gigs. He's been around for a while now. At one point he earned a commercial pilots license. Dixie Dregs was the first band which later was renamed to The Dregs.

720 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:15:08pm

re: #672 M. Bensson-Levi


Some stuff, huh? Looks like we may be the only ones here who brought our sense of humor along...good humor, that is.

So, San Francisco Zionist, is it? I guess that you've got no social life, huh?

We few, we happy few...there's nothing quite like waving an Israeli flag on Montgomery Street, praying that none of your college friends are going to come out of the mob of Hamas groupies across the street. (I've seen this happen to people. It is not a good moment.)

721 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:15:10pm

re: #711 brookly red

pearls & swine.

Did someone say Audioslave?

722 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:15:15pm

re: #714 nyc redneck

wtf?

723 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:15:32pm

re: #695 karmic_inquisitor


These people should have asked for prison construction to be part of the Stimulus Plan - where else will they put all of us?

You sure it's not in there? No one has read the whole thing, last time I checked.

724 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:15:37pm

re: #710 Mich-again

Nothing mellow about it man.

725 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:15:43pm

re: #702 Occasional Reader

Howdy. Just back from seeing Waltz With Bashir. Anyone here seen it? Impressions?

I was thinking about seeing it, but I can't quite come around to the idea of a documentary that's animated. Those two things seem antithetical to me.

726 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:15:53pm

re: #717 Dustyvet

Go get your flack jacket and steal pot...:)

rw, you PAY for your pot like everyone else, young man, or I'm telling your Granny!

/

727 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:16:15pm

*wanders in*

Whoah! What a mess.

728 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:16:17pm

re: #696 Racer X
"And, once they figured it out, they wouldn't be able to find the friggen light bulbs despite the fact that they've been in the SAME CABINET for the past 17 YEARS!"
Uh, house been on the market a while, has it?

729 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:16:20pm

re: #715 OldLineTexan

Is that what's in his bowl in #710?

No I said I was eating Chinese Food OLT!

730 jorline  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:16:33pm

re: #709 realwest

Just looking around to see if it's safe to come on thread now?

Hey, RW...hope you are well tonight.

Did you ever get my second email?

731 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:16:41pm

re: #722 winston06

wtf?

yes, that's the question.

732 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:16:58pm

The comments on that Turley thread are just priceless.

Here is an excerpt of one (which rivals a fjordman dissertation in length):

I was right about a concerted effort to remove our liberties under the guise of fighting terrorism, real or manufactured, almost ten years before Bush. I was right about Bush before he took office in saying, “This is the guy to watch.” I was right about Iraq on the day of invasion. I am right about who really attacked us on 9/11, Saudi Arabia and about Bush being their boy. I’ve opened a lot of minds. I’ve beaten every Neocon troll, both the paid and the brainwashed variety, I’ve ever faced.

How? Because I READ ALMOST EVERYTHING, I PAY ATTENTION AND I HAVE EXCELLENT LOGIC AND ANALYTICAL SKILLS. Better than yours by a long shot, Mr. Average Politician. Because I can leave my ego out of it. You’ve demonstrated you are 100% incapable of taking “you” out of your analysis. That’s not a sign of good leadership. That’s a sign of mental illness.

Such finely woven contradiction and irony, tightly packed and ironed with great care.

Proclaiming logic skills in all caps.

Proclaiming one's superiority in all areas, including not having an ego.

Proclaiming an open mind by condemning all who disagree.

Wonderful stuff.

733 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:17:00pm

Say what?

Youtube Video
734 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:17:00pm

re: #726 OldLineTexan

rw, you PAY for your pot like everyone else, young man, or I'm telling your Granny!

/

Oh God, the Military Police....:)

735 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:17:16pm

Winston, I think you go too far. It is possible to believe in a God who created a naturalistic universe. End of story. How a person tries to make sense of that in terms of their scriptures - assuming they even bother - is their problem.

736 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:17:21pm

re: #718 Racer X
Who downdinged me right outta the gate and where?

737 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:17:22pm

re: #725 Cognito

I was thinking about seeing it, but I can't quite come around to the idea of a documentary that's animated. Those two things seem antithetical to me.

Concur.

738 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:17:45pm

re: #702 Occasional Reader

Howdy. Just back from seeing Waltz With Bashir. Anyone here seen it? Impressions?

I haven't seen it, haven't seen anything in the theater for the longest. Is it worth bothering?

739 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:17:48pm
Youtube Video

skip head about a minute.

740 Syrah  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:17:56pm

Goodnight friends.

I have been having fun thumbing through the Lizard Cook book.

If you haven't bought one, you should give it some thought. Don't let poverty stop you. I didn't. I think it is worth the week or two of canned soup that I will have to endure at work to afford the purchase.

I will be scrounging up a few of the family recipes of my own for the second volume. An ersatz "Al Pastor" that I have used with beef, pork and lamb that is very good. A Salmon Patty recipe that is as tasty as it is simple and easy to fix. I may even offer to explain how to cook a tri-tip that is worth fighting over. (I have the bruises to prove it.)

Such fun

Goodnight friends.

Be forgiving. It is good for the soul.

741 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:18:28pm

re: #706 winston06

bad reviews on that out there...

I've read mostly good ones. E.g., Peter Travers, here.

To my mind, without question it is a very powerful, well-made movie. It also portrays Israel in a very bad light, at least on a basic level. And on the third hand, Sabra/Shatila was not exactly the finest moment for the IDF. So I'm still digesting the whole thing.

742 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:18:40pm

re: #735 Jimmah

thats not the problem here. Personal opinion is personal opinion. Some here get hairy if someone talked about the catholic church's crimes.

743 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:18:40pm

re: #732 karmic_inquisitor

The fruit bowl is full there.

744 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:18:52pm

re: #734 Dustyvet

Oh God, the Military Police....:)

I have a deuce-and-a-half, a medic, and a list of EVERY bar in Dresden.

I vill find you, und take you back to base!

745 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:18:54pm

re: #628 karmic_inquisitor

There is not a snowballs chance in hell that Obama will ever defend, deflect, or even retaliate against any aggressive action against the United States. None. And the world knows it. The really hard part is that public knowledge of this weakness does not bother him, not in the least. Does anyone seriously believe that in the event of a serious attack that he would do anything meaningful at all?

There is not 10 cents difference between our President and Hugo Chavez. The only difference (9 cents) is one of degree and opportunity.

There will be no push back against the NORKS nor the Mullahs, nor Hamas, nor Hezbollah, none, whatsoever,ever.

We have America's first metrosexual CIC. Amazing.

746 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:18:55pm

re: #684 NY Nana

{ }

747 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:19:10pm

re: #723 rawmuse

You sure it's not in there? No one has read the whole thing, last time I checked.

True. Maybe they were slipped in as "reeducation centers" in the Education budget.

748 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:19:11pm

re: #725 Cognito

I was thinking about seeing it, but I can't quite come around to the idea of a documentary that's animated. Those two things seem antithetical to me.

In that regard... it "works". Really. The thing just knocks the wind out of you.

749 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:19:11pm

re: #741 Occasional Reader

John Podhoretz slammed it as an anti-Semitic movie though

750 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:19:19pm

re: #736 realwest

Who downdinged me right outta the gate and where?

Check your #703.

751 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:19:20pm

re: #736 realwest

Who downdinged me right outta the gate and where?

Nobody did. If winston06 did so, he has since reversed it.

752 Lynn B.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:19:46pm

re: #735 Jimmah

Winston, I think you go too far. It is possible to believe in a God who created a naturalistic universe. End of story. How a person tries to make sense of that in terms of their scriptures - assuming they even bother - is their problem.

I think Winston's problem is with organized religion (which he has reason to suspect) not evolution. But it's hard to tell.

753 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:19:57pm

re: #729 Mich-again

No I said I was eating Chinese Food OLT!

Pearls and swine. That's Combo 14. Very nice, you order more.

754 jorline  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:20:17pm

re: #727 Noam Sayin'

*wanders in*

Whoah! What a mess.

Hi, Norm...just be careful where you step.

755 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:20:20pm

re: #744 OldLineTexan

I have a deuce-and-a-half, a medic, and a list of EVERY bar in Dresden.

I vill find you, und take you back to base!

Hee, hee, hee...he'll never look in Duseldorf...:)

756 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:20:36pm

re: #748 Occasional Reader

In that regard... it "works". Really. The thing just knocks the wind out of you.

And there's a reason why it works in this particular format; the whole thrust of the movie has to do with the nature of memories about war. And those memories are portrayed as being both fickle, and surreal. So animation actually helps get that point across.

757 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:20:38pm

re: #736 realwest

Probably Winston.

758 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:20:42pm

re: #751 Dark_Falcon

Nobody did. If winston06 did so, he has since reversed it.

Nope.

759 Lynn B.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:21:09pm

re: #702 Occasional Reader

Howdy. Just back from seeing Waltz With Bashir. Anyone here seen it? Impressions?

I haven't seen it. But from what I hear this is pretty accurate. And brutal.

760 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:21:41pm

re: #730 jorline
Hi Jorline! Uh, I'm not sure! What was the date of it?
Sorry, spent the whole day with doctors and all and am REALLY medicated now!

761 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:21:50pm

re: #751 Dark_Falcon

Nobody did. If winston06 did so, he has since reversed it.

OK, I'm wrong. As of this post's time, he did down-ding number 703.

762 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:22:44pm

Winston, I don't know you well, but I've noticed over time that you're keen on updinging my spinoffs quite frequently, so I'm not inclined to quarrel with you. But I have to say, from reading through the posts on this thread, you're riding the gain on your asshole channel a little high.

Might explain the feedback.

763 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:22:50pm

re: #739 Sharmuta

Youtube Video
764 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:23:25pm

re: #753 OldLineTexan

Pearls and swine. That's Combo 14. Very nice, you order more.

i like N5.
they recognize my voice now and don't even ask me what i want.
or where i live.

765 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:23:27pm

In honor of the mother of the octuplets, Denny's is offering a new breakfast meal:

You get fourteen eggs, no sausage, and the guy next to you has to pay the bill!

766 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:24:04pm

re: #753 OldLineTexan

Pearls and swine. That's Combo 14. Very nice, you order more.

I like #4 Almond Chicken.

767 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:24:09pm

re: #754 jorline

Hi, Norm...just be careful where you step.

Heh, "Norm." Here we go again.

768 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:24:28pm

re: #762 Noam Sayin'

I think a few assholes here can't take any criticism and I don't know what the hell they are doing in a discussion forum/thread. goodness they are not in power.

769 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:24:32pm

re: #764 nyc redneck

i like N5.
they recognize my voice now and don't even ask me what i want.
or where i live.

Combo Number 5

770 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:24:50pm

I just wish there were more movies and novels and such out there in the U.S. public sphere about conflict and political maneuvering in the Middle East that doesn't involve either Israel or the U.S. Well-intentioned people have this extraordinarily skewed idea of the region, simply based on what they see.

Just about the only thing I can think of is Marjane Satrapi's work.

771 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:25:11pm

re: #745 The Shadow Do

There is not a snowballs chance in hell that Obama will ever defend, deflect, or even retaliate against any aggressive action against the United States. None. And the world knows it. The really hard part is that public knowledge of this weakness does not bother him, not in the least. Does anyone seriously believe that in the event of a serious attack that he would do anything meaningful at all?

There is not 10 cents difference between our President and Hugo Chavez. The only difference (9 cents) is one of degree and opportunity.

There will be no push back against the NORKS nor the Mullahs, nor Hamas, nor Hezbollah, none, whatsoever,ever.

We have America's first metrosexual CIC. Amazing.

I agree that he is a worthless POS.

But he is greatly concerned about how history sees him. So he will do some John Wayne imitation of some sort when he is first challenged. Gotta shoot a missile at something to show that he is a man to be reckoned with.

Not that the true enemies of this country will do anything but laugh.

Obama is most concerned with Obama. He will feel the need to play the part, and his VP will be advising him to act tough.

Dukakis in a tank.

772 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:25:33pm

re: #759 Lynn B.

I haven't seen it. But from what I hear this is pretty accurate. And brutal.

Interesting review, thanks.

773 Anna  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:25:42pm

For something almost completely different: Depeche Mode and Witch Hunter Robin.

Youtube Video
774 jorline  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:25:59pm

re: #760 realwest

Hi Jorline! Uh, I'm not sure! What was the date of it?
Sorry, spent the whole day with doctors and all and am REALLY medicated now!

Sent on 2/25.

Send me an update tomorrow.

775 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:26:05pm

re: #770 SanFranciscoZionist

I just wish there were more movies and novels and such out there in the U.S. public sphere about conflict and political maneuvering in the Middle East that doesn't involve either Israel or the U.S. Well-intentioned people have this extraordinarily skewed idea of the region, simply based on what they see.

Just about the only thing I can think of is Marjane Satrapi's work.

The Seven Pillars of Wisdom

776 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:26:13pm

re: #750 Racer X
and
re: #751 Dark_Falcon
Nope, he downdinged me, for a comment that was, in sum total, this ":"
Interesting fella or woman this Winston 06 is.

777 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:26:15pm

re: #771 karmic_inquisitor

Gotta shoot a missile at something to show that he is a man to be reckoned with.

Stay away from Baby Milk factories.

778 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:05pm

re: #769 OldLineTexan

Combo Number 5

LOL,
that sums it up.

779 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:13pm

re: #771 karmic_inquisitor

I'll bet Dukakis is having a massive orgasm over БХО right about now....

780 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:27pm

re: #742 winston06

thats not the problem here. Personal opinion is personal opinion. Some here get hairy if someone talked about the catholic church's crimes.

Okay Winston, gotta ask...did someone in a reverse collar f**k you in the butt? You seem to have a lot of 'passion' on this topic.

781 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:29pm

re: #776 realwest

and
re: #751 Dark_Falcon
Nope, he downdinged me, for a comment that was, in sum total, this ":"
Interesting fella or woman this Winston 06 is.

Yeah well, a number of us updinged you...:)

782 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:30pm

Now winston's going back and dinging everything Mandy and I have said on this thread.

783 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:27:32pm

re: #768 winston06

I think a few assholes here can't take any criticism and I don't know what the hell they are doing in a discussion forum/thread. goodness they are not in power.

Probably looking for a discussion; not having their spirituality insulted.

784 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:28:02pm

re: #777 Mich-again

Stay away from Baby Milk factories.

We've got to get La Leche League to Iraq.

785 wolfie  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:28:06pm

re: #759 Lynn B.

Good grief. A "documentary?"

786 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:28:24pm

re: #774 jorline
Huh - I did respond to you on 2/25!
Maybe we should start it over again?!?

787 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:28:28pm

re: #782 Sharmuta

Now winston's going back and dinging everything Mandy and I have said on this thread.

kids like fancy little toys...big whoop

788 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:28:53pm

re: #780 The Shadow Do

Apparently you know it in detail so I take it that they have done it to YOU and thats why you are familiar about it.

789 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:29:16pm

re: #759 Lynn B.

I haven't seen it. But from what I hear this is pretty accurate. And brutal.

I do agree with the review that there are some highly questionable "events" portrayed in the movie; e.g. an Israeli APC crew driving "all night" while "firing continually" with a Ma Deuce and other machine guns at everything they pass. Not only would they have run out of ammo, but the M2's barrel would have melted. Also, the "we played the part of the Nazis" stuff re: Sabra/Shatila... bleh.

790 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:29:45pm

re: #746 swamprat

Thanks. I honestly feel like crying, damn it.

Winston is both bright and braver than a lot of us here...what kind of stress causes this meltdown? He has very good reasons to be upset, but taking it out on all of us?

So help me, if I were living closer, I would go over and turn off his computer for the next 24 hours, until he was the Winston we know.

There are a number of lizards who we could not wait to see gone, but for me, Winston is not one of them.

All we can do is just hope he calms down.

Please read his blog. It really is worth it.

For anyone who does not or has not read it? Please do.

791 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:29:49pm

re: #462 winston06

I hate religions in general. Have the same anger towards Islam too.

God, the Divine, or Whatever you want to call it transcends religion. Religion is how the limited try to touch the eternal . As religions are composed of human beings, they will of necessity be imperfect. You can hold your breath in anticipation of perfection, but you would only turn blue and pass out. You can focus on what pisses you off, or you can let go and let God.

That's the way I see it.

792 jorline  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:29:55pm

re: #767 Noam Sayin'

Heh, "Norm." Here we go again.

lol...it's late and the Ambian is kicking in, Noam.
It was a natural key stroke...honest.

793 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:05pm

re: #783 Noam Sayin'

Since when personal spirituality equals discussing the crimes of an infamous church or religious group?

794 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:22pm

re: #768 winston06

I think a few assholes here can't take any criticism and I don't know what the hell they are doing in a discussion forum/thread. goodness they are not in power.

IRON FIST.

Grow the fuck up.

795 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:25pm

Take a break, Winston.

796 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:45pm

re: #763 swamprat

Winston. You OK, man?

797 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:30:57pm

re: #783 Noam Sayin'
HEY NOAM! How are you doing tonight my friend?

798 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:31:04pm

re: #765 Racer X

In honor of the mother of the octuplets, Denny's is offering a new breakfast meal:

You get fourteen eggs, no sausage, and the guy next to you has to pay the bill!

Nannerpus will be all over that.

Youtube Video
799 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:31:13pm

re: #795 Killgore Trout

I am on a break

800 Lynn B.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:31:27pm

re: #782 Sharmuta

Now winston's going back and dinging everything Mandy and I have said on this thread.

That's what he does. It seems like a knee jerk reaction every time he feels attacked. I'm starting to think that maybe this is a catharsis he's been denied too many times in his past in the face of real threats and maybe he just needs to get it out. Dunno....

801 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:31:45pm

Doesn't look like there's even a way of reasoning with him.

802 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:31:48pm

re: #794 MandyManners

look granny, take your meds and go to bed

803 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:32:13pm

re: #790 NY Nana

This isn't the first time, it's like a Friday ritual with him, which was probably the old day he prayed upon.

804 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:32:28pm

re: #788 winston06

Apparently you know it in detail so I take it that they have done it to YOU and thats why you are familiar about it.

actually I was homosexually raped, so yes, I am familiar with your feeling here.

805 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:32:39pm

re: #801 Gus 802

I am open to debate but not to name calling... I doubt "Fuck You" is a way of reasoning.

806 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:32:56pm

why comment on it...let it go

807 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:33:06pm

re: #804 The Shadow Do

a new low for you

808 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:33:24pm

re: #792 jorline

Just bustin' your chops, jorline. Several years ago, Dustoff 507 started a running gag of "Noam!" every time I entered the room by making the same mistake. It got to the point that I had to keep a bookmark of Norm Peterson quotes handy.

809 wee fury  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:33:30pm

I thought my 'static cling' comment would take this thread in an entirely new direction. Foiled again.

810 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:33:44pm

re: #801 Gus 802

Doesn't look like there's even a way of reasoning with him.

Which is why it might be a good idea if Stinky can put in an Ignore This User button. I think it'd save a lot of up/downding war.

811 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:33:47pm

re: #768 winston06


I got a judy garland vid on comment 528 you can down ding. Go for it , guy!

We're all in this together.

812 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:05pm

We all believe something.

Youtube Video
Youtube Video

Even monkeys!

813 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:06pm

Well, looks like I picked the wrong thread for film criticism. Crikey.

814 Lynn B.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:08pm

re: #690 NY Nana

Thanks, Lynn.

You did a much better job than I did.

Thanks Nana but I don't think so. winston's wounds are apparently too deep.

815 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:11pm

What the...?

Things are taking a big swervy left turn, I think.

816 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:13pm

re: #752 Lynn B.

Could be. In this case I was addressing his point about belief in god and evolution being necessarily hypocritical etc.

I can see how someone who has lived under an Islamic authority could be so embittered against organised religion. And it's certainly true that the catholic church messed up badly in the way it dealt with the issue of child molestation by priests. Unfortunately his comments seems to take the form of a broad brush tarring all priests, which is just silly.

817 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:23pm

re: #811 swamprat

You down ding me, I down ding you. It's just fair!

818 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:30pm

Hey Real West!

How's tricks?

We've got a budding Demolitions expert on the board.

She said she might drop in later - thought you might tell her some good killmore stories.

819 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:50pm

re: #809 wee fury

I thought my 'static cling' comment would take this thread in an entirely new direction. Foiled again.

Unfortunately it will take a collision of epic proportions to derail this crap.

820 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:56pm

re: #809 wee fury

I thought my 'static cling' comment would take this thread in an entirely new direction. Foiled again.

You can try out Mr. Holland's Opus, if you want.

821 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:34:57pm

re: #810 Macker

Which is why it might be a good idea if Stinky can put in an Ignore This User button. I think it'd save a lot of up/downding war.

you don't need a fucking button...what is a button?...move on

822 jorline  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:35:16pm

re: #786 realwest

Huh - I did respond to you on 2/25!
Maybe we should start it over again?!?

lol...update about today when you can.

823 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:35:21pm

re: #805 winston06

I am open to debate but not to name calling... I doubt "Fuck You" is a way of reasoning.

You're a liar. When I said God used evolution, it was you calling me names like "hypocrite". You're not open to debate at all and you call me the fanatic.

824 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:35:30pm

re: #807 winston06

a new low for you

Thank you

825 winston06  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:35:33pm

re: #816 Jimmah

Well burning scientists and philosophers should be added to their history

826 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:35:39pm

re: #781 Dustyvet
And I thank all of you very much!
How are ya tonight Dusty (he says, strapping on chin strap on #&$^%*#(@ steel pot)?

827 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:35:58pm

winston06 is now having a timeout.

828 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:01pm

re: #818 karmic_inquisitor

We've got a budding Demolitions expert on the board.

Excellent! We need one, since our previous one left LGF quite some time ago.

829 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:11pm

re: #810 Macker

Which is why it might be a good idea if Stinky can put in an Ignore This User button. I think it'd save a lot of up/downding war.

That's a typical feature in chat room of course. I think I've seen them in groups such as this before. It's rather difficult to keep focused when it degrades to child like thread wars of nonsense and ding wars as it's called.

830 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:12pm

re: #809 wee fury

I thought my 'static cling' comment would take this thread in an entirely new direction. Foiled again.

It was nylon impossible to do it at that moment

831 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:56pm

re: #827 Charles

winston06 is now having a timeout.

Thanks

832 Panhandler  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:58pm

re: #827 Charles

Tanks Boss.

833 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:36:58pm

So. Anyway.

How about that troop withdrawal?

834 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:15pm

re: #828 Occasional Reader

Excellent! We need one, since our previous one left LGF quite some time ago.

okay...back to John Wayne...you were sayin?

835 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:24pm

re: #806 albusteve

why comment on it...let it go

let it ride

836 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:36pm

re: #797 realwest

HEY NOAM! How are you doing tonight my friend?

I'm doing a lot better than winston. Dude got into some bad booze or something.

Thinking about buying a plasma tv, but I'm wondering if I might just be pissing my money away since I don't get HD cable. I got a decent bonus this year, and was going to take a trip to Puerto Rico. But a co-worker took a position in a different division and now I'm the only one marketing our product.

Any thoughts on this, folks? I have digital cable, and I found a deal on a 50" plasma tv. I recently upgraded my sound system to 5.1 discrete audio and it now seems kind of weirod watching movies on a 36" tv with this awesome sound package I have going on.

837 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:37:51pm

re: #809 wee fury

I thought my 'static cling' comment would take this thread in an entirely new direction. Foiled again.

I got a charge out of it.

838 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:38:06pm

Boy oh boy that was something. Folks, please don't use that as an example of atheists.

839 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:38:27pm

re: #833 Cognito

So. Anyway.

How about that troop withdrawal?

Set for Aug. 31, 2010. Sept. 1 will be an interesting day.

840 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:38:29pm

re: #827 Charles

winston06 is now having a timeout.

Is this not his second?

841 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:38:33pm

re: #833 Cognito

So. Anyway.

How about that troop withdrawal?

Notice the bulk come out at the end. Which means that we will have combat troops there for as long as he is in office.

842 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:38:51pm

re: #816 Jimmah

Could be. In this case I was addressing his point about belief in god and evolution being necessarily hypocritical etc.

I can see how someone who has lived under an Islamic authority could be so embittered against organised religion. And it's certainly true that the catholic church messed up badly in the way it dealt with the issue of child molestation by priests. Unfortunately his comments seems to take the form of a broad brush tarring all priests, which is just silly.

And his brush also taints all religions, not just Roman Catholicism and Islam. I tried to reason with Winston, but apparently he isn't listening tonight.

I'm walking away from this fellow. At least for tonight.

843 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:38:53pm

re: #826 realwest

And I thank all of you very much!
How are ya tonight Dusty (he says, strapping on chin strap on #&$^%*#(@ steel pot)?

Doing well, sorry to hear that your having problems, just fave Tiger an ear scratch in your name, he's doing a lot better. >^..^< I am not, he won't let me have a 32 ounce steak...Somebody call the ASPCA!

844 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:38:59pm

re: #835 OldLineTexan

let it ride

right...nice

845 Panhandler  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:00pm

re: #836 Noam Sayin'

Heck, get the thing and a Blue Ray, you'll be set.

846 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:20pm

Hello Night Honcos! It has decided to be cold again in Near Iowa.

Well, I missed a whole two days (nearly) of LGF. I'm not sorry I missed Ayers/Dorn in SF --my condolences to zombie. I am currently TOTALLY enjoying Joe Bonamassa. I know escapism is a sad thing, yet I may need to immerse myself in more of of the latter to get thru the next 4 years.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

847 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:28pm

re: #841 karmic_inquisitor

Notice the bulk come out at the end. Which means that we will have combat troops there for as long as he is in office.

Really? Aren't they all supposed to be out in 18 months?

848 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:33pm

re: #836 Noam Sayin'

If you have cable I'd go for it. Surf the higher channels to see if they have a mix of non-for pay HD channels. You might need to swap your converter out.

849 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:39:38pm

re: #827 Charles

winston06 is now having a timeout.

Thank you, Charles. Please do let back in in a few days if you think it wise. Normally Winston is good sort, he just got on tilt tonight.

850 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:00pm

re: #836 Noam Sayin'

I like 5.1 a lot. I watched a movie with a boxing scene in it, the sub woofers were kickin' in with every blow. Sweet.

851 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:12pm

re: #813 Occasional Reader
LOL! Here I thought you were being a gentleman and trying to change the direction of the thread; ya know, pull it out of it's death spiral so to speak!

852 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:16pm

re: #833 Cognito

So. Anyway.

How about that troop withdrawal?

I think it's great. Now all the leftover "freedom fighters" can go on furlough until September 2010, IIRC.

/

853 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:25pm

re: #849 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, Charles. Please do let back in in a few days if you think it wise. Normally Winston is good sort, he just got on tilt tonight.

I agree.

854 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:27pm

re: #803 Thanos

I know. He has gone through, I have a feeling, experiences we never had, nor could imagine, and was able to leave Iran, but without his family. It cannot be easy. And he is a good person. I am just saddened, and hope Winston will take a time out on his own tonight.

Winston, please? I am the Grammy here tonight. Mandy has a young son, who she adores. He is her life.

855 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:42pm

re: #837 esch

I got a charge out of it.

did somebody flat line?

856 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:40:56pm

re: #827 Charles

Thanks Charles, its a rare time when I feel I have to step back from chatting. But even after calling for a little peace in the chat, it was just wild.

857 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:41:02pm

re: #845 Panhandler

Heck, get the thing and a Blue Ray, you'll be set.

Thanks. I was thinking about that. Right now I just watch DVDs through my Xbox.

I'm also looking forward to playing video games in 16:9 format on a 50" screen.

858 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:41:08pm

re: #847 Cognito

Really? Aren't they all supposed to be out in 18 months?

Expiration date goes into effect the moment violence escalates. He's hedging his bets.

859 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:41:31pm

re: #838 Gus 802

Boy oh boy that was something. Folks, please don't use that as an example of atheists.

The only thing worse than a whacked-out religious zealot is a whacked-out atheist zealot.

860 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:41:38pm

re: #839 rawmuse

Set for Aug. 31, 2010. Sept. 1 will be an interesting day.

I'm actually fairly sanguine about the "date" aspect. Not all troops are actually planned to be withdrawn even by that date; I think it's up to 50K that would be left as trainers and rapid response. And as things are going now, we're probably on track (thanks to Bush NOT LISTENING to people like Obama) to Iraq being able to step up to the plate. It's certainly a far cry from Senator Obama's "all troops out by March 2008!" tantrum.

861 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:00pm

re: #817 winston06

Well. knock yourself out. You got the power.

862 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:06pm

re: #836 Noam Sayin'


Don't go with plasma. Go with a straight up LCD screen. I think you can get 50 inch.

863 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:07pm

re: #851 realwest

LOL! Here I thought you were being a gentleman and trying to change the direction of the thread; ya know, pull it out of it's death spiral so to speak!

RW! How you doin'?

864 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:10pm

re: #855 ggt

did somebody flat line?

Almost.

That's what happens when you don't stay grounded. I think it's just a phase.

865 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:18pm

re: #852 OldLineTexan

I think it's great. Now all the leftover "freedom fighters" can go on furlough until September 2010, IIRC.

/

Hmm. Yes. Wouldn't surprise me if we see an unprecedented period of peace and love, for the next 18 months in Iraq.

Or -- and I think this is likely -- they'll gear up for a big screw-you assault toward the end, in an effort to sow discord in the US.

866 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:25pm

re: #847 Cognito

Really? Aren't they all supposed to be out in 18 months?

Nope he plans to keep about 50,00 in place till 2011. And as KI noted, truly major withdrawals will not happen till after the parliamentary elections later this year. Which is good since those will be the vital test for Iraq.

867 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:29pm

re: #836 Noam Sayin'

I'm doing a lot better than winston. Dude got into some bad booze or something.

Thinking about buying a plasma tv, but I'm wondering if I might just be pissing my money away since I don't get HD cable. I got a decent bonus this year, and was going to take a trip to Puerto Rico. But a co-worker took a position in a different division and now I'm the only one marketing our product.

Any thoughts on this, folks? I have digital cable, and I found a deal on a 50" plasma tv. I recently upgraded my sound system to 5.1 discrete audio and it now seems kind of weirod watching movies on a 36" tv with this awesome sound package I have going on.

Get the Panasonic higher-end and you have a highly-rated TV. Maybe you could splurge on a hi-def box, but I can tell you I have one hi-def TV (a 32" Vizio) to play XBox on, and the difference in the game and my DVDs (with a cheap upconverting player) is amazing.

868 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:41pm

re: #853 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I agree.

I don't get it either. Normally Winston doesn't behave like this. Someone said this has been a Friday routine. Anyway, takes all kinds I suppose.

869 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:42:56pm

Winston is now in my permanent scroll-over file.

870 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:00pm

re: #861 swamprat

Well. knock yourself out. You got the power.

I think he finally did :)

871 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:02pm

re: #825 winston06

Well burning scientists and philosophers should be added to their history

I know that winston. Believe me, I'm no apologist for religion! But you have to avoid these broad brush generalisations you've been chucking around.

872 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:41pm

re: #868 Gus 802

I don't get it either. Normally Winston doesn't behave like this. Someone said this has been a Friday routine. Anyway, takes all kinds I suppose.

for gods sake move on....wtf?

873 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:47pm

Sorry Charles, got my goat.

874 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:52pm

re: #818 karmic_inquisitor
Hey Karmic! I didn't know Natasha was a demolitions pro! She in the service or demolition business, do you know?
I'm feeling too good from these INCREDIBLlY great pain meds they gave me today!
How're you doing?

875 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:43:52pm

Equal time for bass players.

Jerry Was A Racecar Driver

Youtube Video
876 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:08pm

re: #864 esch

Almost.

That's what happens when you don't stay grounded. I think it's just a phase.

But I wanna know Y!

877 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:17pm

re: #844 albusteve

right...nice

My oldest girl and her musician husband gave me his Cold Roses album for Christmas ... how cool is that?

878 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:24pm

re: #872 albusteve

for gods sake move on....wtf?

And I'm the only one? Are you reading the rest of what's being said here Steve?

879 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:30pm

re: #850 rawmuse

I like 5.1 a lot. I watched a movie with a boxing scene in it, the sub woofers were kickin' in with every blow. Sweet.

I know, right? I got the whole Kenwood sound system from a co-worker for $100. I ran my audio from the cable box through it and now just use my tv as a monitor.

I find I'm watching a lot more action movies, now - even if I'm not that interested in them.

880 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:37pm

re: #869 Cato the Elder

Cato .. he comes from Iran .. and he's very emotional at times which can get overboard. He's not a bad guy .. its just when he explodes .. bits go everywhere. And he's also got a lot to contribute.

881 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:39pm

re: #875 unclassifiable

Primus sucks.

882 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:41pm

re: #865 Cognito

Hmm. Yes. Wouldn't surprise me if we see an unprecedented period of peace and love, for the next 18 months in Iraq.

Or -- and I think this is likely -- they'll gear up for a big screw-you assault toward the end, in an effort to sow discord in the US.

The key to thwarting that will be good intel gathering, making sure the Iraqi Army is ready for such a challenge and having a rapid reaction force that can go back for a short time if needed.

883 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:45pm

re: #868 Gus 802

I don't get it either. Normally Winston doesn't behave like this. Someone said this has been a Friday routine. Anyway, takes all kinds I suppose.

See NY Nana's just up-thread.

884 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:44:47pm

Hang in there winston. I really am on your side.

885 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:03pm

re: #876 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But I wanna know Y!

That's revolting, but I'm polorized...:)

886 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:13pm

re: #878 Gus 802

And I'm the only one? Are you reading the rest of what's being said here Steve?

yes...let it go for cryin out loud...it's over

887 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:45:36pm

re: #864 esch

Almost.

That's what happens when you don't stay grounded. I think it's just a phase.

IT IS important to stay grounded. A loose wire can cause a meltdown.

888 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:00pm

re: #877 OldLineTexan

My oldest girl and her musician husband gave me his Cold Roses album for Christmas ... how cool is that?

it means they have good taste...how'd that happen? :)

889 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:01pm

re: #881 Sharmuta

Primus sucks. !

/fixed

LOL!

890 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:17pm

re: #857 Noam Sayin'

Thanks. I was thinking about that. Right now I just watch DVDs through my Xbox.

I'm also looking forward to playing video games in 16:9 format on a 50" screen.

I guarantee that rocks. Especially with the surround sound.

891 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:18pm

re: #885 Dustyvet

That's revolting, but I'm polorized...:)

Nah too nasty outside for me to care.

I'm going to wait for a faraday.

892 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:21pm

re: #868 Gus 802

I don't get it either. Normally Winston doesn't behave like this. Someone said this has been a Friday routine. Anyway, takes all kinds I suppose.

Perhaps he only drinks on Friday night?

893 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:24pm

re: #881 Sharmuta

Primus sucks.

Saw them open for Rush years back. Les Claypool is a great Bass player.

894 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:38pm

re: #879 Noam Sayin'

I picked up a Polk Audio sub woofer, rebuilt on Amazon. PW10 I think. That little bugger pumps, for less than a $100. I put on Patitucci's "Heart of the Bass" the other day. Delightful.

895 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:46:40pm

re: #867 OldLineTexan

Get the Panasonic

Well, domo arigato, Mr. Pissing on the Arizona's Grave.

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896 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:03pm

re: #880 Buster Bunny

Cato .. he comes from Iran .. and he's very emotional at times which can get overboard. He's not a bad guy .. its just when he explodes .. bits go everywhere. And he's also got a lot to contribute.

Maybe. I haven't seen much to impress, but I'll keep an open mind.

897 Macker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:16pm

How about an Overnight Open Thread, Charles? This one got shot up pretty bad.

898 Lynn B.  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:19pm

re: #849 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, Charles. Please do let back in in a few days if you think it wise. Normally Winston is good sort, he just got on tilt tonight.

Normally being the operative word there DF. This is the second thread I've seen him hijack this way and while I do have sympathy for whatever it is that's pushing his buttons he can be immensely hurtful, rude and disruptive when he gets in this mode. Last time I was sure a child had logged in to his account, especially after looking at his blog, but that proved not to be the case.

899 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:50pm

re: #789 Occasional Reader

I do agree with the review that there are some highly questionable "events" portrayed in the movie; e.g. an Israeli APC crew driving "all night" while "firing continually" with a Ma Deuce and other machine guns at everything they pass. Not only would they have run out of ammo, but the M2's barrel would have melted. Also, the "we played the part of the Nazis" stuff re: Sabra/Shatila... bleh.

That one's hard for me. The Israelis screwed up at Sabra/Shatila. There were reasons, but basically they totally screwed up. It's a lasting shame.

At the same time, the people who actually carried out the killing have been completely absolved by those in the West who throw Sabra and Shatila at Israel again and again.

So how the hell should I feel about it? I just don't know.

900 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:47:55pm
Youtube Video
901 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:01pm

re: #885 Dustyvet

That's revolting, but I'm polorized...:)

I'm neutral.

902 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:09pm

re: #847 Cognito

Really? Aren't they all supposed to be out in 18 months?

18 months, but a residual force of 50,000 infantry. Ostensibly there to train and assist Iraqis, but also to go on anti-terror missions and provide their own force protection.

If you look at the force structure there now, much of it is logistical. So you could pull out 100,000 and leave 50,000 that are mainly combat troops. Resupply via air and Kuwait, and you have a paper withdrawal when , in fact, you have a significant force in place. Reid and Pelosi aren't happy.

903 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:10pm

re: #836 Noam Sayin'
Uh, well I have to tell ya Noam, but I THINK plasma screens don't last as long as do LCD's. And if I'm right I'd go for it - HD or no HD!
Course if I'm wrong I'd still go for it, but try to get it at a Sam's Club or Costco or someplace like that.
And I gotta tell ya, for a 50" set y'all need to be able to sit at least 12 feet away - can ya spare the room and relocate the speakers?!

904 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:12pm

re: #887 ggt

IT IS important to stay grounded. A loose wire can cause a meltdown.

Sure hope this Guys "GROUNDED"


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905 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:12pm

re: #862 Racer X

Don't go with plasma. Go with a straight up LCD screen. I think you can get 50 inch.

Plasma and LCD are pretty much evenly priced. Trouble with LCD is that there's a slight lag in screen refresh, so video games tend to get blurry. Plasma TVs are also known for producing darker blacks, and providing better shades of gray.

906 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:25pm

re: #893 Creeping Eruption

Saw them open for Rush years back. Les Claypool is a great Bass player.

I saw them headline from the floor. Great show.

907 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:29pm

re: #888 albusteve

it means they have good taste...how'd that happen? :)

He toured for a year, put out one album, didn't make it ... I like to hear him play, though, and he has a good voice for some styles.

908 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:44pm
909 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:48:59pm

re: #894 rawmuse

I picked up a Polk Audio sub woofer, rebuilt on Amazon. PW10 I think. That little bugger pumps, for less than a $100. I put on Patitucci's "Heart of the Bass" the other day. Delightful.

I've semi-decided that when it comes time to replace my very nice, but quite old Rotel system, it's time to drop the big bucks and get Bang & Olufsen.

I haven't quite run this idea by the wife yet, but...

910 jorline  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:04pm

re: #846 ggt

Hello Night Honcos! It has decided to be cold again in Near Iowa.

Well, I missed a whole two days (nearly) of LGF. I'm not sorry I missed Ayers/Dorn in SF --my condolences to zombie. I am currently TOTALLY enjoying Joe Bonamassa. I know escapism is a sad thing, yet I may need to immerse myself in more of of the latter to get thru the next 4 years.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Hi, ggt. We hit 90 in south Texas today...Sundays low is predicted to be 35.
wth?

911 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:14pm

re: #901 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm neutral.

Oh Swiss eh...:)

/S

912 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:21pm

re: #874 realwest

Hey Karmic! I didn't know Natasha was a demolitions pro! She in the service or demolition business, do you know?
I'm feeling too good from these INCREDIBLlY great pain meds they gave me today!
How're you doing?

Doing fine.

She is at OBC for the Corps of Engineers at Ft. Leonard Wood. Learning how to have fun with C4 and det cord.

913 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:22pm

I am thoroughly enjoying The Ballad of John Henry.

Charles, is there a way to add to the tip jar thru iTunes the way there is thru Amazon.com? You'd make some money from my purchases.

914 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:41pm

re: #905 Noam Sayin'

Plasma and LCD are pretty much evenly priced. Trouble with LCD is that there's a slight lag in screen refresh, so video games tend to get blurry. Plasma TVs are also known for producing darker blacks, and providing better shades of gray.

Plasma refresh @ 480Hz, LCD just making it to 120Hz for bigger money.

915 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:42pm

re: #896 Cato the Elder

Maybe. I haven't seen much to impress, but I'll keep an open mind.

Well just remember I was applauding Charles for silencing him for the moment .. and in the next entry sticking up for what he does right. That takes knowing a guy for both his strengths and his weaknesses.

Just remember .. some LGF topics are able to bring out intense emotions in people. They are also some of the best debates, but people can go to both extremes and yes .. burn out in chat too.

916 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:44pm

re: #899 SanFranciscoZionist

That one's hard for me. The Israelis screwed up at Sabra/Shatila. There were reasons, but basically they totally screwed up. It's a lasting shame.

At the same time, the people who actually carried out the killing have been completely absolved by those in the West who throw Sabra and Shatila at Israel again and again.

So how the hell should I feel about it? I just don't know.

I wish Caton still posted here, who was in the 1982 invasion. I'd be very curious to hear his opinion.

917 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:57pm

re: #904 Dustyvet

Sure hope this Guys "GROUNDED"

[Link: i.dailymail.co.uk...]

OMG!

918 Panhandler  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:49:58pm

re: #895 Occasional Reader
Japanese tourist to Marine gate guard at Pearl Harbor - "Excuse please, where is Arizona?" --- "Right whaere you B********* left it."

919 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:08pm

re: #839 rawmuse
Yeah, but if IIRC, the Obama is gonna leave 50,000 "support" troops there afterwards.
Maybe he's not quite as enamored of Iran and Syrai as we first thought!

920 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:13pm

re: #909 Occasional Reader

I've semi-decided that when it comes time to replace my very nice, but quite old Rotel system, it's time to drop the big bucks and get Bang & Olufsen.

I haven't quite run this idea by the wife yet, but...

B & O is more than just great sound - It is art. Tell her its a two-fer.

I still have an old pair of form one headphones I just refuse to ditch.

921 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:19pm

re: #913 ggt

I am thoroughly enjoying The Ballad of John Henry.

Charles, is there a way to add to the tip jar thru iTunes the way there is thru Amazon.com? You'd make some money from my purchases.

Try the last link in the "Tools" flippy triangle on the left sidebar.

922 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:24pm

re: #907 OldLineTexan

He toured for a year, put out one album, didn't make it ... I like to hear him play, though, and he has a good voice for some styles.

I love watching a guy play a guitar...home grown is the best way...you're lucky....guitars fascinate me

923 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:39pm

re: #898 Lynn B.

Normally being the operative word there DF. This is the second thread I've seen him hijack this way and while I do have sympathy for whatever it is that's pushing his buttons he can be immensely hurtful, rude and disruptive when he gets in this mode. Last time I was sure a child had logged in to his account, especially after looking at his blog, but that proved not to be the case.

Agreed. I'd give him one more chance, but if he has another freak-out like he just had, I'd have to recommend a permanent ban. We can't have people going crazy and turning threads into flame wars.

924 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:50:41pm

re: #910 jorline

El Nino?

:0

925 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:10pm

re: #902 karmic_inquisitor

18 months, but a residual force of 50,000 infantry. Ostensibly there to train and assist Iraqis, but also to go on anti-terror missions and provide their own force protection.

If you look at the force structure there now, much of it is logistical. So you could pull out 100,000 and leave 50,000 that are mainly combat troops. Resupply via air and Kuwait, and you have a paper withdrawal when , in fact, you have a significant force in place. Reid and Pelosi aren't happy.

They need the residual there a bit not because of unrest in Iraq, but because of who they have for Neighbors. (note the plural) I think Iraq is proceeding well on the line needed for internal security, but they aren't quite there yet on facing an external military threat. We don't want to leave a house of cards to blow down.

926 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:18pm

re: #920 Creeping Eruption

B & O is more than just great sound - It is art. Tell her its a two-fer.

I still have an old pair of form one headphones I just refuse to ditch.

Plus, by buying it, I'm fighting against the jihadists. Well, in a way.

927 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:27pm

re: #860 Occasional Reader

Hey Occasional:

I saw Waltz. Thought it was a very good anti-war film that pretty accurately conveyed the way most Israelis feel about that time in their history, which is remembered as their "Vietnam".

Wouldn't say it is anti-Semitic like some people have suggested. Obviously, it's message is pacifist and the Holoocaust/Shatila comparison that is conveyed through images is kind of a stretch. The lack of context is a bit irksome, as well. AS I'm sure you know, the Phlanigsts were paying back the Palestinians in kind for previous massacres...which doesn't make it right.

I don't think the film is anti-Israel, but I do think it's heavy with Jewish guilt, like many such films, which is a bit familiar and cliche.

Still worth seeing, though.

928 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:35pm

re: #926 Occasional Reader

Plus, by buying it, I'm fighting against the jihadists. Well, in a way.

In what way?

929 Cheechako  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:46pm

re: #768 winston06

I think a few assholes here can't take any criticism and I don't know what the hell they are doing in a discussion forum/thread. goodness they are not in power.


From a spectator in the top of the bleachers it looks to me like you're treading water in the deep end of the pool and refusing the offers of lifelines everyone's tossing your way.

930 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:51:57pm

re: #909 Occasional Reader

I've semi-decided that when it comes time to replace my very nice, but quite old Rotel system, it's time to drop the big bucks and get Bang & Olufsen.

I haven't quite run this idea by the wife yet, but...

My problem is that a B and O system would not match my own personal auditory perception devices, which are definitely retreads. 30 years of sitting in front of trumpet sections and drummers have taken their toll. And, the scary part is that I know exactly what that toll is, having subjected myself to a good hearing test. I have whole swaths of frequency ranges in which I am basically deaf. Money spent on tweeters is a waste for me.

931 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:52:03pm

re: #914 OldLineTexan

Plasma refresh @ 480Hz, LCD just making it to 120Hz for bigger money.

I say if you are in the market for a high end TV, skip the TV and get a nice Projector. About 1800 lumens will give you a really nice 120" screen. Throw in the Blu-Ray and you won't ever be lonely. For about $2K.

932 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:52:05pm

re: #804 The Shadow Do

actually I was homosexually raped, so yes, I am familiar with your feeling here.

Just sayin', I know this is a sort of crazy place to put out deeply personal stuff--thanks for trying to connect w/Winston, OK?

933 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:52:56pm

re: #905 Noam Sayin'

Plasma and LCD are pretty much evenly priced. Trouble with LCD is that there's a slight lag in screen refresh, so video games tend to get blurry. Plasma TVs are also known for producing darker blacks, and providing better shades of gray.

I have heard that about plasma ( better black / grey) . I don't play video games much so not an issue there. I have several friends who went with plasma 3-4 yrs ago and have already had to replace.

934 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:52:58pm

re: #928 Creeping Eruption

In what way?

It's Danish. And we're supposed to boycott them, because of their terrible cartoons about You Know Who...

935 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:02pm

re: #932 SanFranciscoZionist

Textbook example of TMI.

936 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:18pm

re: #908 Iron Fist

Excuse me?

She was invoking the Iron Fist rule. She thought winston was drunk.

937 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:38pm

Well, I guess that knocked the wind out of me. Apparently a certain person in this room thinks it's OK for everyone to talk about numb nuts except for me.

938 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:44pm

re: #827 Charles

Thank you so much, Charles. It hurt seeing Winston go spare like that, especially to such good lizards.

He is not a bad guy, and that somehow makes it worse, but something has to be getting to him in the past few weeks. The time out should give him time to think things over.

939 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:44pm

re: #921 Sharmuta

Try the last link in the "Tools" flippy triangle on the left sidebar.

It doesn't show iTunes.

940 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:45pm

re: #934 Occasional Reader

Ahh . . yes.

941 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:46pm

re: #934 Occasional Reader

It's Danish. And we're supposed to boycott them, because of their terrible cartoons about You Know Who...

what?...tell me Mo

942 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:53:52pm

re: #890 OldLineTexan

I guarantee that rocks. Especially with the surround sound.

Yeah. Played Halo in surround once. It's frickin cool.

re: #903 realwest

Actually, plasma and LCD screens now last about 60,000 hours, which is about 20 years if I would watch 8 hours a day (which I don't).

I sit about 12' away from my tele right now, so I'm in good shape for distance.

943 jorline  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:01pm

re: #903 realwest

Uh, well I have to tell ya Noam, but I THINK plasma screens don't last as long as do LCD's. And if I'm right I'd go for it - HD or no HD!
Course if I'm wrong I'd still go for it, but try to get it at a Sam's Club or Costco or someplace like that.
And I gotta tell ya, for a 50" set y'all need to be able to sit at least 12 feet away - can ya spare the room and relocate the speakers?!

This isn't going to turn into one of those HD threads is it?

Good night, Lizards.

944 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:04pm

re: #932 SanFranciscoZionist

Just sayin', I know this is a sort of crazy place to put out deeply personal stuff--thanks for trying to connect w/Winston, OK?

I think you may have misinterpreted that exchange.

Or I did.

And honestly, it's a bit weird either way.

945 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:08pm

re: #922 albusteve

I love watching a guy play a guitar...home grown is the best way...you're lucky....guitars fascinate me

You know what else? He seems to be a good husband and father.

946 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:54:21pm

re: #939 ggt

There's an Amazon link

947 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:02pm

re: #911 Dustyvet

Oh Swiss eh...:)

/S

I'm about to rectify the problem -- transform it -- bridge it -- filter out the negative -- ... uh ... den run off and try t' find a fuse mor ov des things.

948 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:22pm

re: #930 rawmuse

My problem is that a B and O system would not match my own personal auditory perception devices, which are definitely retreads. 30 years of sitting in front of trumpet sections and drummers have taken their toll. And, the scary part is that I know exactly what that toll is, having subjected myself to a good hearing test. I have whole swaths of frequency ranges in which I am basically deaf. Money spent on tweeters is a waste for me.

Ah. Sorry to hear that (no pun intended). Me, I have tinnitus, but (so far) excellent hearing, so not an issue. As noted above, though, B&O are also just beautiful pieces of industrial design, so you could justify it that way. Or pick up one of their t.v.'s. I was in a B&O store a while back; they had this high def t.v. on... people were just gaping at it, the picture was so perfect.

949 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:33pm

re: #945 OldLineTexan

You know what else? He seems to be a good husband and father.

TRIFECTA!...there you have it....guitar palyers are just good people

950 jorline  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:55:42pm

re: #924 ggt

El Nino?

:0

Algoreberism.

951 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:25pm

re: #946 Sharmuta

Yes, I know, AND any purchase made from Amazon from an LGF link counts towards the tip jar. I was just wondering if there was a similar option for iTunes Charles could implement.

952 Haverwilde  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:29pm

Since things have gone off topic a bit I just want to vent for a moment. I just got home from D.C. good G-d what a world we live in.
I work for the local municipality. We urgently need a new Ferry. The marine architect said it should cost about $5.7 million. But since it is State project the bid comes in at $7.8 million, and the State adds a contingency that put it at $9.4 million (why there needed to be a contingency on an airtight bid, Lord only knows).
Well the State in their wisdom puts it in the Federal Stimulus package because it is ‘shovel ready.’ However, because of additional limitations under the stimulus package, and because of the required Federal oversight the Ferry is now estimated to cost $14.5 million.
I believe Obama has now created a new economic program. It is turning Reagan’s ‘trickle down’ idea on its head a bit. Arrange to hire enough Federal Bureaucrats at high salaries and the whole economy will improve through the trickling down from them.

Did I mention that I really hate Government?

953 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:45pm

re: #720 SanFranciscoZionist

We few, we happy few...there's nothing quite like waving an Israeli flag on Montgomery Street, praying that none of your college friends are going to come out of the mob of Hamas groupies across the street. (I've seen this happen to people. It is not a good moment.)

Gotta make ya sick to see someone you've been friends with, revealed as such an ultrash*t.

Reminds me of when I was younger, on the move, meeting lots of new people, and every now and then I'd meet someone, get to like them, and soon hear them talk about "kikes". "I don't mean you! You're different. You're a regular guy."
"You're right, I am different. I'm the kind of a Jew that is perfectly willing, and quite able, to write the word "kike" on the pavement...with your face. *sshole"
Course I'm much more mellow these days...weaker, and slower, and not as young. I've transformed my youthful, rash, angry propensity for violence into a concealed carry permit.
And I make sure that everyone I meet knows that I'm a Jew, so there won't be any mistaken surprises...just willful, direct insults. Had a guy, within the past year, in a frothing, impotent rage, screaming JEW! at me, repeatedly...but he dared not approach within 20' of me, and Smith, and Wesson. Scary moment. For 5 or 10 seconds, I thought that I was going to shoot him. I would dearly have liked to. A clear case of commendable homicide.

954 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:56:48pm

re: #927 davesax

Sorry davesax, its just another deconstructionist fantasy written up for the big screen. There is too much of this anti-war sentiment flushed through the media. No-one fights a war because they like it .. and LOTS of soldiers come back with unhappy memories of the events of war. But thats war, you dont have to like it. But you dont glorify Nazis that cant read, or demonize IDF forces that had to go in where they really didnt WANT to go.

Deconstructionist fantasies are there just to take down a peg, what your father and my father built up over time so they can crap on it.

I have no time for that.

955 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:10pm

re: #930 rawmuse

By the way, if you haven't already done so, get yourself some good earplugs, to avoid further damage. Check out Surefire's "EarPro" plugs; very comfortable, low profile, and they stay in place.

956 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:43pm

re: #918 Panhandler

Japanese tourist to Marine gate guard at Pearl Harbor - "Excuse please, where is Arizona?" --- "Right whaere you B********* left it."

Whoa...:) Semper-Fi Marine...Outstanding!

957 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:44pm

re: #944 Cognito

I think you may have misinterpreted that exchange.

Or I did.

And honestly, it's a bit weird either way.

You know, I think yoy may be right.

958 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:57:45pm

re: #950 jorline

Algoreberism.

the HORROR!

959 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:58:22pm

re: #941 albusteve

what?...tell me Mo

The jihadists, they've got volleyball and ping-pong and lots of dandy games. But what ain't they got? They ain't got Danes.

960 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:58:42pm

re: #948 Occasional Reader

The only time I ever saw a B and O rig was at Sharper Image, I think. And they went toes up recently.

961 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:58:56pm

B & O

962 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:58:58pm

re: #951 ggt

Yes, I know, AND any purchase made from Amazon from an LGF link counts towards the tip jar. I was just wondering if there was a similar option for iTunes Charles could implement.

I don't think Itunes has an affiliate program like Amazon does, if they do someone let me know.

963 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:59:08pm
964 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:59:27pm

re: #932 SanFranciscoZionist

Just sayin', I know this is a sort of crazy place to put out deeply personal stuff--thanks for trying to connect w/Winston, OK?

Spontaneous stupid on my part.

965 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:59:51pm

re: #962 Thanos

I don't think Itunes has an affiliate program like Amazon does, if they do someone let me know.

Thank you for answering my question.

966 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 9:59:53pm

re: #933 Racer X

I have heard that about plasma ( better black / grey) . I don't play video games much so not an issue there. I have several friends who went with plasma 3-4 yrs ago and have already had to replace.

The older ones had that issue - LCDs too, for that matter. Newer sets (made in the last year or so) have had that problem worked out.

Something I've also discovered. If you're weighing the difference between 720p and 1080p (pixels, in vertical resolution), don't bother with 1080 unless you're going larger than 50". The difference is not largely detectable to the human eye on screens smaller than 50.

967 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:00:32pm

re: #955 Occasional Reader

I have some custom made jobs, molded to my particular ears.
Did I mention that I played with Buddy Rich? He considered it an insult if he saw you with ear plugs.

968 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:00:40pm

re: #930 rawmuse

Me too. And I used to hear in the rarer ranges.

969 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:00:57pm

re: #960 rawmuse

The only time I ever saw a B and O rig was at Sharper Image, I think. And they went toes up recently.

Oh, they have stores, so they do. Kind of a playground for grownups. Well, a fantasy playground, given their prices!

970 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:01:01pm

re: #960 rawmuse

The only time I ever saw a B and O rig was at Sharper Image, I think. And they went toes up recently.

B & O is the closest thing i get to an audio orgasm. They produce sleek bits of hardware that respond effortlessly when you amp it up. And it also looks the part.

I walked into a B&O store once and asked for a demo. He stuck on a substandard version of Diana Krall that was badly recorded. I sat there and admonished him for 20 mins for sticking on a bad recording to show off good speakers.

I bought them later that day :)

971 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:01:19pm

I watched a bit of the CPAC broadcast on C-SPAN today. I wasn't impressed. What I did notice is that there were quite a few empty seats and the rest were full of white people.

That's not going to work if the GOP is serious about reviving itself.

972 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:01:48pm

Chris Potter has tenitis...as a matter of fact, I think he's nearly deaf in one ear.

STill a great horn player, though.

973 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:01:56pm

re: #836 Noam Sayin'

I'm doing a lot better than winston. Dude got into some bad booze or something.

Thinking about buying a plasma tv, but I'm wondering if I might just be pissing my money away since I don't get HD cable. I got a decent bonus this year, and was going to take a trip to Puerto Rico. But a co-worker took a position in a different division and now I'm the only one marketing our product.

Any thoughts on this, folks? I have digital cable, and I found a deal on a 50" plasma tv. I recently upgraded my sound system to 5.1 discrete audio and it now seems kind of weirod watching movies on a 36" tv with this awesome sound package I have going on.

Noam -

If the set is a PIONEER - Buy It - They are Great and will NOT be around NEW for long. Second place by a NOSE is Panasonic/a/k/a Matsushita/ a/k/a National. Have a 37" LCD Olevia (Now Bankrupt) Myself, with Kenwood HT in a Box setup driving (almost) real speakers. Love it, AND, not quite as much as my 17" Trinitron "Hi-Boy" providing the picture for my Pioneer QX-8000 setup back in 1974/5 during "SIMULCASTS" - the TEAC 450 preserving the FM Radio Audio Tracks for posterity.

-S-

974 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:01:57pm

Cognito -

I know you like links.

Here is a source on the "backloaded" plan

[Link: www.google.com...]

WASHINGTON (AP) — A substantial number of the roughly 100,000 U.S. combat troops to be pulled out of Iraq by Aug. 31, 2010, will remain in the war zone through at least the end of this year to ensure national elections there go smoothly, senior Obama administration officials say.

That pacing suggests that although Obama's promised withdrawal will start soon, it will be backloaded, with larger numbers of troops returning later in the 18-month time frame.

Here is one on why Harry and Nancy are "concerned."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

What Candidate Obama promised and President Obama delivered has many of his most ardent supporters on the left -- from members of Congress down to grassroots anti-war activists -- wondering whether he can be counted on to advance the liberal agenda.

The president, speaking to Marines in Camp Lejeune, N.C, on Friday, announced that the U.S. will end the Iraq war over the next 18 months, ordering the immediate drawdown of the 142,000 troops in Iraq. The war will officially end on Aug. 31, 2010.

But Obama's withdrawal plan will take three months longer than he promised on the campaign trail, and it will leave a residual force of between 35,000 and 50,000 troops in Iraq, which many Democrats view as too high.

"When they talk about 50,000, that's a little higher number than I had anticipated," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said before a briefing at the White House on Thursday. Other top Democrats who expressed concern about the troop levels were House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Sen. Charles Schumer, Sen. Patty Murray and Sen. Russell Feingold.

975 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:02:41pm

re: #863 ggt Hey ggt! I'm doing ok, but fading fast here. How are you doing?

976 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:02:55pm

re: #967 rawmuse

I have some custom made jobs, molded to my particular ears.
Did I mention that I played with Buddy Rich? He considered it an insult if he saw you with ear plugs.

Once heard two guys discussing who played the first double bass drum on their trap set. One through out Buddy Rich. I didn't think he played a double bass. Do you recall?

977 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:03:07pm

re: #970 Buster Bunny

They produce sleek bits of hardware that respond effortlessly when you amp it up.

Not to mention that it's astonishingly TINY hardware... really would cut down the footprint in the living room.

So which speakers did you get?

978 swamprat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:03:09pm

re: #901 pre-Boomer Marine brat

that hertz

979 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:03:21pm

re: #959 Occasional Reader

The jihadists, they've got volleyball and ping-pong and lots of dandy games. But what ain't they got? They ain't got Danes.

they always reminded me of Tolkeins Men of Rohan....The Mark!...jihad does not have the Danes yet

980 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:03:22pm

re: #975 realwest

Hey ggt! I'm doing ok, but fading fast here. How are you doing?

had a good day, thanks for askin'! Glad your new pain meds are working.

981 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:04pm

re: #969 Occasional Reader

Raw, were you playing when Don Menza was in the band?

982 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:09pm

re: #974 karmic_inquisitor

Cognito -

I know you like links.

Here is a source on the "backloaded" plan

[Link: www.google.com...]

I think you might be confirming my point there... You'd said the troops will be there throughout Obama's time in office. But pretty clearly they'll be withdrawn long before that...

983 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:33pm

re: #971 ggt

I watched a bit of the CPAC broadcast on C-SPAN today. I wasn't impressed. What I did notice is that there were quite a few empty seats and the rest were full of white people.

That's not going to work if the GOP is serious about reviving itself.

No that certainly won't. To top that off they had a video which featured Jesse Helms as one of the honorees. Honoring Jesse Helms of course is no way to endear oneself to the African-American community.

984 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:45pm

Hey Occasional,

Check out my response to you on Waltz. Curious if you agree...

985 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:04:52pm

re: #975 realwest

Hey ggt! I'm doing ok, but fading fast here. How are you doing?

I'm fading too. Talk to you all tomorrow.

986 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:05:02pm

In my personal music studio (admittedly small) I have these monitors.
They sound great to me.

987 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:05:22pm

Mr. Bean - Hell

988 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:05:32pm

re: #977 Occasional Reader

I got a full kit in the end. A beosound 9000 with beolab 8000 speakers.

Worth EVERY penny .. even the sales tax.

989 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:05:53pm

re: #986 rawmuse


Raw, did you play with Buddy when Don Menza was in the band? Or is that before your time?

990 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:06:11pm

re: #909 Occasional Reader

I've semi-decided that when it comes time to replace my very nice, but quite old Rotel system, it's time to drop the big bucks and get Bang & Olufsen.

I haven't quite run this idea by the wife yet, but...

"O-R" -

OMG! - ROTEL - a/k/a Roland Electronics. Rarity almost on par with Luxman. Good stuff back in the day.

-S-

991 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:06:41pm

re: #976 Creeping Eruption

Once heard two guys discussing who played the first double bass drum on their trap set. One through out Buddy Rich. I didn't think he played a double bass. Do you recall?

He did occasionally, but the real guy that started that was Louis Bellson.
You did not have to have 2 actual bass drums, just two kick pedals on the same drums.

992 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:06:46pm

re: #976 Creeping Eruption

Once heard two guys discussing who played the first double bass drum on their trap set. One through out Buddy Rich. I didn't think he played a double bass. Do you recall?

Ginger Baker used them at one point...jus sayin...and there were others too

993 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:15pm

re: #989 davesax

Before me. Don is a little older than I am. Not much.

994 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:27pm

re: #953 M. Bensson-Levi

Had a guy, within the past year, in a frothing, impotent rage, screaming JEW! at me, repeatedly...but he dared not approach within 20' of me, and Smith, and Wesson. Scary moment. For 5 or 10 seconds, I thought that I was going to shoot him. I would dearly have liked to. A clear case of commendable homicide.

As Kinky Friedman once sang, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore.

Glad you didn't have to shoot--glad you had the means, should it have proved necessary.

995 Bignjames  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:31pm

Any PRS guitar owners here?

996 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:43pm

re: #984 davesax

Hey Occasional,

Check out my response to you on Waltz. Curious if you agree...

Pretty much, but I also admit I don't know enough about the Lebanon War to make up my mind on some points.

997 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:43pm

re: #992 albusteve

double pedals that is...raw said it

998 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:51pm

re: #987 Racer X

The French.....!

999 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:07:59pm

re: #912 karmic_inquisitor
Cool - she probably knows way more than me, I mostly know about improvised mines and other sorts of non-exposive booby-traps!

1000 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:08:08pm

New Emotion

Youtube Video

Feel the enRG!

1001 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:08:51pm

re: #983 Gus 802

No that certainly won't. To top that off they had a video which featured Jesse Helms as one of the honorees. Honoring Jesse Helms of course is no way to endear oneself to the African-American community.

The country music in the background "God Bless Texas" with lyrics that sounded as though they came from Genesis? WTF --to whom are these people pandering?

1002 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:10:21pm

re: #992 albusteve

Ginger Baker used them at one point...jus sayin...and there were others too

I thought Ginger Baker or Billy Cobham. Raw Says Louis Bellson.

1003 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:10:32pm

re: #992 albusteve

Ginger Baker used them at one point...jus sayin...and there were others too

Baker is the first I ever heard, but probably not the first.

1004 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:10:55pm

re: #983 Gus 802

No that certainly won't. To top that off they had a video which featured Jesse Helms as one of the honorees. Honoring Jesse Helms of course is no way to endear oneself to the African-American community.

Bloom County, mid-Eighties: the Meadow Party attempts to choose a presidential candidate.

"Jesse Jackson!"

"Naw, we'll alienate half the country."

"Jesse Helms!"

"Then we'll alienate the other half."

"Jesse and Jesse! Let's alienate everyone!"

1005 unclassifiable  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:11:09pm

I leave you with something nice.

Tangerine Dream -- Hyperborea

Youtube Video

Good night.

1006 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:11:38pm

re: #1001 ggt

The country music in the background "God Bless Texas" with lyrics that sounded as though they came from Genesis? WTF --to whom are these people pandering?

I didn't notice that. It is CPAC of course so it's not necessarily a full blown RNC event. CPAC is more of an event based on World Net Daily, Human Events. Not exactly the mainstream. I think they may trying to appeal to the old base again.

1007 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:11:52pm

re: #1002 Creeping Eruption

I thought Ginger Baker or Billy Cobham. Raw Says Louis Bellson.

I think he was the first...Kieth Moon used dbl pedals too...I don't argue drums with rawmuse tho...he knows the skinny

1008 Flavia  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:11:52pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

I don't like it either, but for a different reason. I don't like laws that infringe upon freedom of speech. Richard Williamson should be free to deny the Holocaust. But other people should also be free to condemn him as liar and Jew-Hater. The answer to hateful speech is honest and honorable speech, nor censorship.

Normally, I would agree with you.

However:

a) The Church is not a democracy, & it is supposed to be ruled by morality, as opposed to mere justice. Also, if the Pope decides that the Catholic religion now includes belief in historical facts such as the Holocaust, it's not for non-Catholics to protest.

b) Holocaust denial is more sinister than the usual "hate speech." For formal entities (such as countries, or the Church, or universities, or what have you) to say they will not tolerate Holocaust denial is a way of making sure everyone knows what they stand for.

c) I've always classed Holocaust denial in with fraud when it's peddled for money, but I'm sure that's just me.

d) How stupid do you have to be to deny the Holocaust in such a way that you are known THE WORLD OVER - & then GO TO GERMANY? (okay, I'm only throwing that in because it makes me laugh hysterically. And, to be completely honest, only the 1st remark of mine has any true weight, here.)

1009 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:12:07pm

re: #1004 SanFranciscoZionist

Bloom County, mid-Eighties: the Meadow Party attempts to choose a presidential candidate.

"Jesse Jackson!"

"Naw, we'll alienate half the country."

"Jesse Helms!"

"Then we'll alienate the other half."

"Jesse and Jesse! Let's alienate everyone!"

I have that cartoon in a book somewhere ... Toons for Our Times or Penguin Dreams

1010 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:12:14pm

re: #990 Dr. Shalit

"O-R" -

OMG! - ROTEL - a/k/a Roland Electronics. Rarity almost on par with Luxman. Good stuff back in the day.

-S-

They're still around... google 'em, they have a website.

My system dates to about 1992. I tend to hang on to such things until they die.

1011 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:12:26pm
Holocaust-Denying Bishop May Be Arrested in Germany

The system works.

1012 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:12:34pm

re: #993 rawmuse

Raw, cool.

I heard the infamous "bus" tapes.

Buddy was a crazy mother fucker.

1013 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:12:49pm

re: #1004 SanFranciscoZionist

Bloom County, mid-Eighties: the Meadow Party attempts to choose a presidential candidate.

"Jesse Jackson!"

"Naw, we'll alienate half the country."

"Jesse Helms!"

"Then we'll alienate the other half."

"Jesse and Jesse! Let's alienate everyone!"

There you go! That's correct. Helms could be studied in history but they might want to reconsider bringing him out for these public events.

1014 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:05pm

re: #942 Noam Sayin'
Hmmm - please see #933 - and those nimbers do seem a trifle high for plasma to me.

1015 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:13pm

Raw, you a horn player? Shit...I might know you by name! I went to UM and play sax!

1016 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:22pm

re: #1006 Gus 802

I didn't notice that. It is CPAC of course so it's not necessarily a full blown RNC event. CPAC is more of an event based on World Net Daily, Human Events. Not exactly the mainstream. I think they may trying to appeal to the old base again.

Ugh.

There truly is no place for me.

1017 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:26pm

re: #1012 davesax

He was also a Black Belt. Yes, sir, Mr. Rich, sir.

1018 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:27pm

re: #973 Dr. Shalit

I hear Pioneer and Samsung are the leaders in plasma TVs right now, from what I've read. But many people tell me that there are just a few companies making the actual screens, that you're probably going to be okay with nearly any brand. The one I'm looking at is a Samsung PN50A450. At $1,000, it's a bit off my price-point of $900, but since I can't go to Puerto Rico this year, I'll spend the extra $100.

Damn. I might order this thing tomorrow.

Got some looking around to do, first.

1019 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:35pm

re: #1006 Gus 802

I didn't notice that. It is CPAC of course so it's not necessarily a full blown RNC event. CPAC is more of an event based on World Net Daily, Human Events. Not exactly the mainstream. I think they may trying to appeal to the old base again.

Sad, that base is quickly shrinking.

1020 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:40pm

re: #1004 SanFranciscoZionist

Bloom County, mid-Eighties: the Meadow Party attempts to choose a presidential candidate.

"Jesse Jackson!"

"Naw, we'll alienate half the country."

"Jesse Helms!"

"Then we'll alienate the other half."

"Jesse and Jesse! Let's alienate everyone!"

Life imitates art: Those "global warming" commercials that featured Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson sitting on a couch on the beach. If you want to turn me completely off of ANY cause, get both those guys to vouch for it.

1021 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:42pm

re: #982 Cognito

I think you might be confirming my point there... You'd said the troops will be there throughout Obama's time in office. But pretty clearly they'll be withdrawn long before that...

Read it carefully.

50,000 stay. Indefinitely. Beyond the 18 months.

The Status of Forces agreement with Iraq allows us to keep a force of unspecified size there for training assistance and picking off terrorists.

50,000 combat tested troops will serve as a deterrent to Iran and Muqtada al Sadr. Not that they won't try to test what that force can do and make it painfully obvious that these troops aren't just there to do training. Anything to get the ant-war crowd here brewing they will try, IMO.

So "withdrawal" is really "recomposition".

Those 50,000 will be there well after BHO has waved goodbye from the door of Marine One (can't wait for that day).

1022 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:47pm

re: #977 Occasional Reader

You can tell when you have a good set of speakers .. when you can listen to a violin .. without adjusting the volume to a high setting, and pick up the subtleties and nuances of the music. It was a revelation while listening to a certain piece of music .. that I was able to distinguish the harp from the harpsichord. And able to work out where in the orchestra .. they were playing from. Thats how you determine a good speaker kit.

1023 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:13:47pm

re: #1015 davesax

Trombone

1024 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:14:04pm

bass drums...scroll down to the dbl

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1025 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:14:05pm

re: #741 Occasional Reader

I've read mostly good ones. E.g., Peter Travers, here.

To my mind, without question it is a very powerful, well-made movie. It also portrays Israel in a very bad light, at least on a basic level. And on the third hand, Sabra/Shatila was not exactly the finest moment for the IDF. So I'm still digesting the whole thing.

Sabra/Shatila were atrocities committed by ARABS, Maronite Christians, against ARABS, PLO Muslims. That's how they deal with each other! Insult by vendetta! They slaughter each other's wives and children, and thereby say, "F*CK YOU!". Israel's sole fault was believing that the Christian Arabs would not do anything like that. They were wrong, but Israel was NOT the perpetrator , nor the abettor of these atrocities. Sabra/Shatila, was strictly an Arab to Arab affair.

1026 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:14:29pm

re: #1019 ggt

Sad, that base is quickly shrinking.

It shrank a long time ago IMO. Not only that but that base is close to being a single issue electorate.

1027 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:15:06pm

re: #1023 rawmuse

Raw! You still playing?

1028 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:15:47pm

re: #1024 albusteve

bass drums...scroll down to the dbl

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Nice pic of Simon Phillips kit there.

1029 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:15:55pm

re: #1026 Gus 802

It shrank a long time ago IMO. Not only that but that base is close to being a single issue electorate.

Agreed.

1030 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:15:59pm

re: #1022 Buster Bunny

Put on a good piece of classical music with a large dynamic range. I suggest Aaron Copland's "Appalachian Spring".

1031 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:16:06pm

re: #995 Bignjames

Any PRS guitar owners here?

I owned one for a short while. I let a neighbor pawn it to me for just a couple hundred bucks. Damned if he didn't come up with the money shortly before he moved away.

Those guitars are sweet.

1032 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:16:21pm

re: #999 realwest

Cool - she probably knows way more than me, I mostly know about improvised mines and other sorts of non-exposive booby-traps!

When I was talking to her on the thread, it sounds like they don't cover "field expedient" and "improvised" explosives training. I'm not sure if they are leaving it out or that she hasn't gotten the training yet. Hope they haven't cut that stuff out of the training. Wonder if they did because of McVeigh.

1033 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:16:30pm

re: #1027 davesax

Pretty quiet lately, but I have some jobs coming up. I run my own production scene now.

1034 OldLineTexan  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:17:04pm

re: #1023 rawmuse

Trombone

Hey, if I had been any good at all we could have played together. Baritone sax!

1035 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:17:04pm

re: #1025 M. Bensson-Levi


Bensoon,

The film makes it clear that the Phlangists committed the massacres.

Believe me, it could have been much worse. The Israeli soldiers are, for the most part, portrayed as introspective young kids, lost in the fog of war.

It's not nearly as bad as it could have been.

1036 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:17:07pm

re: #1014 realwest

Hmmm - please see #933 - and those nimbers do seem a trifle high for plasma to me.

I can't have a plasma TV, besides I'd never be able to locate where I plug the IV line in for the plasma...:)

1037 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:17:23pm

re: #1025 M. Bensson-Levi

I have no time for any harping on that particular massacre. The Sabra and Shatilla camps were a training outfit for the worlds terror outfits. It was well known within intelligence circles that the same techniques were being used by the IRA in England and the Spanish groups that were being engineered in Lebanon. This was a WAR camp .. and it got what it had coming to it.

1038 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:17:28pm

re: #1029 ggt

The other night I was coming up with some ideas for loosening them up a little bit. Perhaps send a bus load to "Burning Man" for a week. Of course there's policy but they need to work on the delivery and stop being so corny as well.

1039 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:17:38pm

re: #1025 M. Bensson-Levi

but Israel was NOT the perpetrator

I know, I know, I know.
But the IDF, in retrospect, should have known better than to let them in, or at least responded faster once the massacre began.

1040 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:17:46pm

re: #1021 karmic_inquisitor

Ah. Gotcha. I thought your position was that the bulk -- the majority -- of the soldiers would be staying.

I wish I had a better understanding of Iraq's readiness. I'm hearing conflicting reports. But for better or worse -- I hope they realize it's happenin'.

1041 albusteve  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:18:03pm

re: #1028 Creeping Eruption

Nice pic of Simon Phillips kit there.

yes...overkill tho

1042 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:18:43pm

re: #1033 rawmuse

Raw, cool. Do you know...Tom...damn...forget his name. WEnt to school with him. Lead Maynards band for years. Great bone player in Chicago. Damn...I wish I could remember.

1043 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:19:03pm

re: #1042 davesax

Malone.

1044 Bignjames  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:19:12pm

re: #1031 Noam Sayin'


Do you play or were you just "holding it"?

1045 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:19:33pm

re: #995 Bignjames

Any PRS guitar owners here?

I'm a Strat/Nez guy but PRS is next on my list. I really want a Vigier as well. Gotta get these taxes worked out first, though.

1046 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:19:52pm

Just got home from work... WTF

The Vatican claimed that Pope Benedict was unaware of the bishop’s controversial views when he lifted his excommunication.

Did NOBODY know anything about this jerk. Come on. You really can't trust anyone anymore. This sounds just like the shit that comes out of Washington.

I would scream, but this late at night it would probably scare Maisey the Parrot. She's kind of tranced out right now. I come home, she wakes up, shits and then kind of stares.

1047 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:20:03pm

I'm in the mood for a good documentary, and I've been interested to try out the iTunes movie rental feature.

Anyone have a particular favorite documentary to recommend?

1048 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:20:08pm

re: #1037 Buster Bunny

Buster, well, it's not about you. The filmmaker was there and witnessed it, so, I guess it's his story.

It's a very well done film. It's not anti-Israel.

1049 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:20:53pm

re: #1023 rawmuse

Trombone

keyboards (is this a test?)

1050 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:03pm

re: #1038 Gus 802

The other night I was coming up with some ideas for loosening them up a little bit. Perhaps send a bus load to "Burning Man" for a week. Of course there's policy but they need to work on the delivery and stop being so corny as well.

I have some ideas, but they aren't appropriate in any way. Perhaps a trip to Jamacia. . . .

1051 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:03pm

re: #1039 Occasional Reader

I know, I know, I know.
But the IDF, in retrospect, should have known better than to let them in, or at least responded faster once the massacre began.

The IDF was admonished for not doing anything. But it didnt have to do anything. What played out was an internal struggle and the IDF didnt have any reason to interfere.

Think along the lines of Star Trek. What is it about not interefering in other civilisations to change their histories .. and why?

1052 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:12pm

re: #1044 Bignjames

Do you play or were you just "holding it"?

I owned one for a while until I need to raise some cash. Player. IMO the PRS is satisfied my every requirement for a solid body. Of course they're rather pricey now and I think a Custom 22 goes for about 3000 dollars. Get the one with the bird inlays.

1053 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:33pm

re: #1043 rawmuse

Raw: Garling. Tom Garling.

1054 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:33pm

re: #1047 Cognito

I'm in the mood for a good documentary, and I've been interested to try out the iTunes movie rental feature.

Anyone have a particular favorite documentary to recommend?

Walk Hard.

1055 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:34pm

re: #1047 Cognito

History Channel, The Dark Ages.

1056 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:47pm

At hearings this week, Congress asked the CEO’s of the eight largest banks to explain how they squandered away billions of taxpayer money.

To which the CEO’s said, “You go first.”

1057 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:47pm

re: #1050 ggt

I have some ideas, but they aren't appropriate in any way. Perhaps a trip to Jamacia. . . .

Yes mon! Does that entail listening to some Peter Tosh?

1058 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:21:59pm

re: #1047 Cognito

I'm in the mood for a good documentary, and I've been interested to try out the iTunes movie rental feature.

Anyone have a particular favorite documentary to recommend?

Fahrenheit 911

/////

1059 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:22:30pm

re: #1058 Occasional Reader

Fahrenheit 911

/////

I said "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story"

1060 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:22:50pm

re: #1047 Cognito

I'm in the mood for a good documentary, and I've been interested to try out the iTunes movie rental feature.

Anyone have a particular favorite documentary to recommend?

Not quite a documentary, but see "God on Trial" if you can. It's awesomely good.

1061 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:22:57pm

re: #1056 Racer X

At hearings this week, Congress asked the CEO’s of the eight largest banks to explain how they squandered away billions of taxpayer money.

To which the CEO’s said, “You go first.”


And I heard that all the auto execs were a day late for their hearings. They had to drive.

1062 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:23:08pm

re: #1053 davesax

Don't know Mr. Garling. Malone got prolly the best gig ever, namely 'bone player for the "Blues Brothers" movie. Beauxcoup residuals.

1063 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:23:10pm

re: #1057 Gus 802

Yes mon! Does that entail listening to some Peter Tosh?

Hey, anything that comes around, you know? Jimmy Buffet?

1064 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:23:17pm

re: #1014 realwest

Hmmm - please see #933 - and those nimbers do seem a trifle high for plasma to me.

Just going by what I've read. This isn't from the source I originally found, but maybe backs me up?

Misconception #1: Plasma TVs need to be "serviced,"
or have their plasma changed out, every couple years or so.

Perhaps the only compelling thing about this idea is that it resonates with good auto maintenance know how. To many people, plasma displays are like cars: You know how to use them, but you don't know a whole lot about how they work. Which is surely how this Urban Legend gained its foothold in the popular imagination in the first place. It has certainly been utilized by any number of unscrupulous TV salespeople to push extended warranties on otherwise unknowing "marks" -- people who have already spent $5000 on a new TV and would have no compunction about shelling out another $250 more, provided it will help safeguard their investment. While purchasing some additional "insurance" against mechanical defects might be worthwhile, especially when you are buying something this expensive, using scare tactics to ring up extended-warranty sales is unethical.

Not to mention bogus: The idea that the ionized gases inside plasma displays either (a) need to be replenished periodically or (b) can be refilled is patently untrue. You simply cannot change out these phosphors every 3,000 (viewing) miles. However, with a current rating of 60,000 hours to half life on some of the top tier plasma brands, it this really an issue any more? If you watch the plasma television for 4 hours a day on a medium contrast setting, that's 41 years of use. Well enough.

1065 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:23:22pm

re: #1051 Buster Bunny

Think along the lines of Star Trek. What is it about not interefering in other civilisations to change their histories .

Kind of hard to run with that parallel, after the IDF had already invaded, I think. (And yes, I think the invasion was fully justified... but it's a bit thin to then say, "non-interference, that's our motto!")

1066 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:23:49pm

re: #990 Dr. Shalit
ROTEL?! How about the Wharfdale speakers (the ones packe with sand/silica in the base)? Fabulous for rock!

1067 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:23:56pm

re: #1051 Buster Bunny

The IDF was admonished for not doing anything. But it didnt have to do anything. What played out was an internal struggle and the IDF didnt have any reason to interfere.

Think along the lines of Star Trek. What is it about not interefering in other civilisations to change their histories .. and why?

I'm not sure the Prime Directive can be invoked once you've actually sent tanks into a neighboring country.

1068 davesax  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:24:01pm

re: #1039 Occasional Reader

Occasional, agreed. It happened on their watch.

Israel is better than that. And most Israelis do not defend the actions of that time.

I don't know why anyone would when Israelis themselves don't, and the majority of them consider the Lebanon war a huge mistake. They lost a lot of people in that war. It was a disaster.

1069 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:24:03pm

re: #1059 Walter L. Newton

I said "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story"

That was a funny flick!

1070 Bignjames  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:24:04pm

re: #1045 esch


I've got a line on a Korean made PRS for a sweet price....never played a PRS...but all reviews are positive. Only owned Gibson/Fender....have a Korean made Tele thats very nice....Seymour Duncan pups....hot.

1071 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:24:27pm

re: #1063 ggt

Hey, anything that comes around, you know? Jimmy Buffet?

He could be a good alternative. They actually played U2 before Mitt Romney came out. I think. Was somewhere around that time.

1072 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:24:29pm

re: #1046 Walter L. Newton

I come home, she wakes up, shits and then kind of stares.

I should restrain myself ...
DAMN, I should restrain myself!
OUCH, my ribs are hurting from this laughing!

*gasp* ... Hi, Walter! ... *wheeze*

1073 NY Nana  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:24:46pm

re: #896 Cato the Elder

Maybe. I haven't seen much to impress, but I'll keep an open mind.

Try reading his blog, and see the real Winston.

1074 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:25:26pm

I wish I hadn't see Christopher Guest's 'documentaries' so I could watch them again with fresh eyes. Funny, funny, funny.

1075 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:25:28pm

re: #1047 Cognito

I'm in the mood for a good documentary, and I've been interested to try out the iTunes movie rental feature.

Anyone have a particular favorite documentary to recommend?

I like Trembling Before God, but I don't know how interested you are in gay and lesbian Orthodox Jews.

1076 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:25:36pm

re: #1018 Noam Sayin'
Hey Noam - BEFORE you go out and buy, at least check out LG best quality picture I've ever seen - at an audio/vidophile convention!

1077 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:25:51pm

re: #1069 rawmuse

That was a funny flick!

I never heard of it until a few months ago, and a friend brought it over and I've watch it at least 4 times. It doesn't hit spot on with every scene (like some of the Guest mockumentries), but when it does, it's wonderful.

1078 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:25:53pm

re: #1067 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure the Prime Directive can be invoked once you've actually sent tanks into a neighboring country.

The Prime Directive

1079 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:26:00pm

Seen, that is.

1080 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:26:01pm

re: #1070 Bignjames

I've got a line on a Korean made PRS for a sweet price....never played a PRS...but all reviews are positive. Only owned Gibson/Fender....have a Korean made Tele thats very nice....Seymour Duncan pups....hot.

I have played them and they are well worth the price. Great tone and lively action.

1081 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:26:38pm

See if iTunes has "Little Deiter Needs to Fly" by Werner Herzog.
I loved that one.

1082 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:26:51pm

re: #1044 Bignjames

Do you play or were you just "holding it"?

I play, though anyone who has heard me would stand in firm debate. ;)

I've played for nearly 20 years, now. Never really got to be good, but I still enjoy playing.

1083 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:26:52pm

re: #1040 Cognito

Ah. Gotcha. I thought your position was that the bulk -- the majority -- of the soldiers would be staying.

I wish I had a better understanding of Iraq's readiness. I'm hearing conflicting reports. But for better or worse -- I hope they realize it's happenin'.

My fear is that the different factions within the security forces are assembling to mete out who will get what when the American's leave. And as we hand more security over to the Iraqis we have less power to prevent such factionalization. Neither the Philippines or Korea went straight to democracy after liberation by Americans - strong men came in via the military. Can't see why Iraq will be an exception without a large force there (like we had in Japan and Germany).

1084 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:26:55pm

re: #1067 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure the Prime Directive can be invoked once you've actually sent tanks into a neighboring country.

The IDF had only one thing to do when they went into Lebanon. Stop the Hizbollah outfits and censor any future means of attack from Hizbollah. It did not have to stop internal conflicts or setup a defensive presence from within Lebanon. It just had to do what was required to prevent attacks on its citizens.

Therefore an internal conflict within lebanon that it is not an active participant in, is just interfering in internal Lebanese politics. Thats not Israels responsibility.

1085 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:27:33pm

Anyone in LA County having major issues with Time Warner's Internet?

1086 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:27:42pm

re: #1047 Cognito

I'm in the mood for a good documentary, and I've been interested to try out the iTunes movie rental feature.

Anyone have a particular favorite documentary to recommend?

Ah, we were discussing this earlier today; Grizzly Man is actually pretty interesting, and well made. Rather sad, of course.

1087 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:28:27pm

I used to think the Prime Directive would be good basic Foreign Policy for any nation. Then I realized that "pre-warp" civilizations can still attack "warp" civilizations when they are on the same planet.

:0

1088 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:28:33pm

re: #1072 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I should restrain myself ...
DAMN, I should restrain myself!
OUCH, my ribs are hurting from this laughing!

*gasp* ... Hi, Walter! ... *wheeze*

I know it sounds funny, but it's true. I don't even have to pay attention to her. She is in the living room, which in a 525 square foot apartment it's also the dining room and almost part of the kitchen.

I can cross into the apartment and head for my desk/dining table/computer station and I'll hear "plop" as it hit the bottom of the cage.

She loves so much.

1089 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:28:43pm

re: #1047 Cognito

This is Spinal Tap

1090 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:28:50pm

re: #1081 rawmuse

See if iTunes has "Little Deiter Needs to Fly" by Werner Herzog.
I loved that one.

Yeah, I saw that. Good stuff.

1091 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:28:54pm

"The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill" is a local favorite.

1092 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:29:59pm

Natural living” advocates unveil their latest planet-saving invention - the reusable toilet wipe.

Surely it’s time global warming believers marked their houses with some sign, a green pentacle or something, as a warning to visitors to enter at their own risk.

[Link: blogs.news.com.au...]

1093 Flavia  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:30:07pm

re: #206 WhiteRasta

Anyone who denies this horror is deceiving themselves. And they know it, in their heart of hearts.

They know it.

It's the essence of being a bigot - deceiving oneself, & then turning it outward. They do it because they truly hate only themselves, and can't deal with it, so they throw it off onto convenient scapegoats.

1094 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:30:22pm

re: #1082 Noam Sayin'

I play, though anyone who has heard me would stand in firm debate. ;)

I've played for nearly 20 years, now. Never really got to be good, but I still enjoy playing.

I'm rusty. Too busy these days to keep sharp.

Enjoying it is what it's all about. 'Good' is a relative term.

1095 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:30:28pm

re: #1086 Occasional Reader

Ah, we were discussing this earlier today; Grizzly Man is actually pretty interesting, and well made. Rather sad, of course.

Yes, unfortunately I've seen that as well. Several times. My favorite documentary, I think.

1096 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:31:00pm

Anyone seen winston06 tonight?

1097 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:31:13pm

re: #1084 Buster Bunny

The IDF had only one thing to do when they went into Lebanon. Stop the Hizbollah outfits and censor any future means of attack from Hizbollah

If I'm not mistaken, Hizballah (as such) did not yet exist when Israel went into Lebanon in 1982, but was rather founded shortly thereafter "in response to" the invasion. (I put that in scare quotes, since we all know that various stripes of jihadists long had Israel in their sights and needed no "provocation"... but that particular organization did not yet exist when the IDF first went in, I believe.)

1098 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:31:26pm

Obama's Elf

1099 Bignjames  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:31:35pm

re: #1080 esch


The action is what everyone comments positively on....we'll see.

1100 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:31:55pm

re: #1092 Walter L. Newton

Natural living” advocates unveil their latest planet-saving invention - the reusable toilet wipe.

[Link: blogs.news.com.au...]

Oh that's just...

What will they think of next!

1101 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:32:09pm

re: #1096 Walter L. Newton

Anyone seen winston06 tonight?

LOL

1102 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:32:22pm

re: #1095 Cognito

I liked "Winged Migration" so much I bought a copy.
I put it on my large TV and my cats just sit and stare at it, pining away.
The music is good, the cinematography is breathtaking.

1103 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:33:11pm

re: #1101 karmic_inquisitor

LOL

Well, I'm glad I could make you laugh. Er, why did I make you laugh?

1104 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:33:29pm

re: #1099 Bignjames

That's why I want a Vigier. The action is supposed to be just insane, especially on the Lane model. Basically just touch the string.

Impossible to find one in my part of teh country to try out, though.

1105 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:33:39pm

re: #1096 Walter L. Newton

Anyone seen winston06 tonight?

He's gone to bed for the night. #827

1106 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:33:41pm

re: #1102 rawmuse

I put it on my large TV and my cats just sit and stare at it, pining away.

Ha!

When I was a kid, we had a cat who liked to watch hockey games. He'd bat at the players on the screen.

I second you on Winged Migration, excellent film.

1107 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:34:16pm

re: #1076 realwest

Still in the research mode right now. The money's doing nothing but sitting in my savings account, earning interest, so I can spend it next month as well as this month.

1108 Occasional Reader  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:34:22pm

Good night.

1109 realwest  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:35:29pm

Well y'all I gotta get some sleep. Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night,all.

1110 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:35:36pm

We become them, they become us....
Sad, Irrelevant People: "Tea Parties" Fizzle

Poor conservatives. Challenged with attempting to draw the sort of popular support enjoyed by Barack Obama and progressives in general, and using the media establishment's favorite tools like Santelli as their crutch, they can only manage a pittance of loonies to show up for their protests. Forced to match the support of enthusiasm so evident at Obama's inauguration, they can't even manage to compete with a local barbeque in one of their own red redoubts.

It's kinda funny if you think about it.

1111 Bignjames  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:35:41pm

re: #1104 esch

Buying this one on line.......never done that before.

1112 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:35:58pm

re: #1105 Buster Bunny

He's gone to bed for the night. #827

Oh, well, I was wondering why he was sleeping on my door mat when I came home.

1113 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:36:02pm

re: #1103 Walter L. Newton

Well, I'm glad I could make you laugh. Er, why did I make you laugh?

Now you are making me laugh harder.

Sorry - scan upthread a few hundred posts. Remember the end of "The Untouchables?" Or "Scarface?" It kinda looks like that.

1114 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:36:06pm

re: #1084 Buster Bunny

The IDF had only one thing to do when they went into Lebanon. Stop the Hizbollah outfits and censor any future means of attack from Hizbollah. It did not have to stop internal conflicts or setup a defensive presence from within Lebanon. It just had to do what was required to prevent attacks on its citizens.

Therefore an internal conflict within lebanon that it is not an active participant in, is just interfering in internal Lebanese politics. Thats not Israels responsibility.

They were in control of the area. I see a moral responsibility attached to that, albeit not a sole one. So did the Kahan Commission.

1115 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:36:40pm

re: #1094 esch


Enjoying it is what it's all about. 'Good' is a relative term.

So is 'suck.' I think I fall somewhere in between, but probably lean more towards 'suck' since most of my friends are musicians.

1116 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:37:14pm

re: #1111 Bignjames

Good luck.

1117 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:37:37pm

re: #1110 Killgore Trout

We become them, they become us....
Sad, Irrelevant People: "Tea Parties" Fizzle

It's kinda funny if you think about it.

Yes, no doubt. This side of the line was never good at mobilizing. However, on the home front I was talking to some family members that voted for Obama and the results aren't exactly glowing for el presidente.

1118 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:37:39pm

Time for me to pee on the campfires and mosey on down the trail. Later, Lizards.

1119 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:38:03pm

re: #1103 Walter L. Newton

Well, I'm glad I could make you laugh. Er, why did I make you laugh?


There was the meltdown. With the melting, and the glowing hot magma. Winston is now, please God, resting quietly.

1120 Flavia  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:39:24pm

re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist

When I was in high school, this kid who liked to be 'edgy' did a history project that was a Nazi propaganda poster (we all did posters, mine was Soviet). Big swastika.

One of the math teachers, German guy in his thirties then, so I guess born in the fifties, blew a fuse, since the projects were hung up in the room he taught in. Insisted it be taken down, because, and I quote "My father went to school with that #**%#&*& thing up on the wall, and I won't teach with it there."

One of the most uncomfortable moments in my undergrad says was a professor who had been born under Hitler. He would grow apoplectic at the thought of him, and actually cursed in our presence at the mention of his name - and topped it off by apologizing to ME, because I was Jewish (I won't remember if anyone else was, but my name is so very obviously Jewish that he latched right onto it). I was only glad I had enough presence of mind to tell him that it's always the ones who did nothing to need forgiveness who ask for it.

1121 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:39:25pm

The Eleven Most Expensive Disasters.....

Do not peek at #1.

1122 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:39:48pm

re: #1088 Walter L. Newton

I know it sounds funny, but it's true. I don't even have to pay attention to her. She is in the living room, which in a 525 square foot apartment it's also the dining room and almost part of the kitchen.

I can cross into the apartment and head for my desk/dining table/computer station and I'll hear "plop" as it hit the bottom of the cage.

She loves so much.

Sounds like it.
You should give her the keyboard sometime, let her make a few such "comments" here.

/DAMN it's late, I've got to get to bed.

1123 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:40:17pm

re: #1114 SanFranciscoZionist

They were in control of the area. I see a moral responsibility attached to that, albeit not a sole one. So did the Kahan Commission.

Morals dont go out the window. In the 1973 war Israel rounded up Egypts infantries and captured them alive. On the Arab side the favour wasnt returned during that war.

All Israel did is hold back from doing anything. To implement a societal grip over a country implies a right of governance. And Israel despite all accounts does not want anything to do with Lebanese politics.

1124 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:40:20pm

re: #1115 Noam Sayin'

So is 'suck.' I think I fall somewhere in between, but probably lean more towards 'suck' since most of my friends are musicians.

LOL. Yeah about the same here.

I went to music school and did pretty well. Had to choose regular work to stay alive.
I now make about 5 times what my 'musician' father makes annually, so I'm not ashamed.

1125 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:41:57pm

Good night, all.

1126 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:43:26pm

re: #1096 Walter L. Newton

Anyone seen winston06 tonight?

Yeah. He left a note for you.

Let's see. I got it here somewhere.

*fishes around in pockets*

Ah, yes. Here we are.

To Walter L. Newton:
F*ck off, you f*cking f*ck.

Then there was a bunch of other incomprehensible scribbling, which got blurred out by something that smells like cheap booze.

1127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:44:40pm

weet dreams honcos!

1128 Racer X  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:44:46pm

Canuck Humour....

Seamus and Jimmy, two Newfoundlanders, got a pilot to fly them in to Labrador to hunt moose. They had great luck, and managed to bag six.

As they were loading the plane to return, the pilot said the plane could take only four moose. The two lads objected strongly.

"Last year we shot six.

The pilot let us take them all and he had the same plane as yours."

Reluctantly, the pilot gave in and all six moose were loaded. However, even on full power, the little plane couldn't handle the load and went down. Somehow, surrounded by the moose bodies, Seamus and Jimmy survived the crash.

After climbing out of the wreckage, Seamus asked Jimmy, "Any idea where we are?"

Jimmy replied, "I think we're pretty close to where we crashed last year."

1129 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:45:04pm

re: #1126 Noam Sayin'

Boone's Farm or Muscatel?

1130 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:45:04pm

re: #1037 Buster Bunny

My point was that it was NEVER an IDF affair. Whether they got what they deserved or not, is moot.

1131 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:45:41pm

re: #1117 Gus 802

The Republicans I know who voted for Obama are still pretty agnostic. The Moonbats I know don't really care what he does as long as he's in the White house. They're pretty oblivious.

1132 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:46:18pm

re: #1130 M. Bensson-Levi


My point was that it was NEVER an IDF affair. Whether they got what they deserved or not, is moot.

Agreed. End of discussion.

1133 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:46:37pm

re: #1124 esch

LOL. Yeah about the same here.

I went to music school and did pretty well. Had to choose regular work to stay alive.
I now make about 5 times what my 'musician' father makes annually, so I'm not ashamed.

Hah! Me too. Earned a degree in music, with a concentration in the business side.

Then lost all my money in the music business. They didn't have a class that covered that.

Fortunately, I also majored in marketing.

1134 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:47:29pm

re: #1126 Noam Sayin'

Funny.

1135 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:47:52pm

re: #1131 Killgore Trout

The Republicans I know who voted for Obama are still pretty agnostic. The Moonbats I know don't really care what he does as long as he's in the White house. They're pretty oblivious.

That might explain things. The relatives I spoke with are rather agnostic in every sense of the word. OK, specifically my mother is worried about the Medicare reimbursements to her doctor(s) which may drive the cost of her insurance co-pays. However that works.

1136 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:49:22pm

re: #1133 Noam Sayin'

Hah! Me too. Earned a degree in music, with a concentration in the business side.

Then lost all my money in the music business. They didn't have a class that covered that.

Fortunately, I also majored in marketing.

That happens a LOT. Sorry to hear it. I know lots of people with music/related degrees. None of them work in the industry.

1137 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:49:39pm

re: #363 nyc redneck

anyway, i tried to go green today. we changed all the "gas guzzling' light bulbs to the energy saving "curly" bulbs. the electricians took all the 'bad' bulbs out and screwed in the florescent ones and then "hallelujah" we cut on the juice and it was like a dungeon in there.
a dim lit basement. wow.
it looked like gramma's house on a dark winter evening.
oh man, i said NO. i just can't sacrifice my light like an idiot to go green.
they changed all the bulbs back to the regular ones.
now if i go green i have to get the dimmer switch changed in order to get the next brightness, or the green bulbs will burn out. etc. whatever.
so that was a disappointment.
and it was just light bulbs.


CF's are a bit slow to reach full brightness. You could have up-powered the bulbs to 100-equivalents where you used 60's, and still been using less electricity. To round out the equation, try keeping a few conventional bulbs in places where you want instant full brightness.

I use CF's throughout my house and though it can be dim for the first 30 seconds, it's nicely lit after that. We don't need to run the AC as much in summer, and that's a nice side effect.

1138 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:50:04pm

re: #1134 Cognito

Thanks.

1139 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:50:38pm

re: #1123 Buster Bunny

Morals dont go out the window. In the 1973 war Israel rounded up Egypts infantries and captured them alive. On the Arab side the favour wasnt returned during that war.

All Israel did is hold back from doing anything. To implement a societal grip over a country implies a right of governance. And Israel despite all accounts does not want anything to do with Lebanese politics.

I will argue passionately that Israel's moral conduct in warfare has been superlative. (And not only unreturned, but maligned for its very superlativeness--the paper on how Israeli troops express their racism by not commiting rape was perhaps the funniest example.)

However at Sabra/Shatila, the IDF permitted the Phalangists to enter the camps, and ordered them out. They controlled the area, and they made a mistake.

1140 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:50:40pm

Well, it's not like the Koskidz have gone completely sane....
The GOP and the Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat

Unfortunately for the American people, the GOP this week has again displayed it continued devolution into the Party of Hate. Increasingly, the conservative movement seems to find its strongest support at the dark nexus inhabited by gun rights advocates, religious zealots, white supremacists, anti-immigrant xenophobes, pro-life activists and anti-government crusaders. To be sure, the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995, the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil prior to 9/11, wasn't the product of the liberal media. And thanks to the unintended encouragement of the likes of Joe Wurzelbacher, John Bolton, Sean Hannity and their fellow travelers, Al Qaeda isn't the only terror threat to facing the United States.

What the Koskidz are missing is "Don't interrupt when your enemy is making a mistake." CPAC is a disaster for Republicans but the Koskidz want to overplay their hand and turn it into a national threat.

1141 Bignjames  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:51:47pm

re: #1116 esch

Good luck.

I know a good tech.

1142 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:53:33pm

re: #1140 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it's not like Kos to be alarmist is it. ///

I looked over at the Huffington Post before at a post regarding Richard Williamson and found a lot of commentators defending him.

1143 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:53:40pm

re: #1136 esch

It's okay. On the business side, you sometimes have to be an absolute asshole to succeed, and I didn't really like the person I was becoming. It's one thing to be a successful asshole, but if you're broke and still an asshole, something's gotta change.

Glad I'm a talented asshole.

1144 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:54:00pm

re: #1137 lostlakehiker

CF's are a bit slow to reach full brightness. You could have up-powered the bulbs to 100-equivalents where you used 60's, and still been using less electricity. To round out the equation, try keeping a few conventional bulbs in places where you want instant full brightness.

I use CF's throughout my house and though it can be dim for the first 30 seconds, it's nicely lit after that. We don't need to run the AC as much in summer, and that's a nice side effect.

We recently switched to the fancy bulbs at my house, and I agree with everything you've said -- I'm particularly excited that that they'll save me on electricity over time, since I am a skinflint -- but I've never heard that they help with the AC.... How so? Just less heat emanating from the bulbs themselves? If so I can't imagine that's more than marginal, really...

1145 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:54:28pm

re: #1018 Noam Sayin'

I hear Pioneer and Samsung are the leaders in plasma TVs right now, from what I've read. But many people tell me that there are just a few companies making the actual screens, that you're probably going to be okay with nearly any brand. The one I'm looking at is a Samsung PN50A450. At $1,000, it's a bit off my price-point of $900, but since I can't go to Puerto Rico this year, I'll spend the extra $100.

Damn. I might order this thing tomorrow.

Got some looking around to do, first.

Plasma is obsolete.

1146 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:57:13pm

re: #1145 lostlakehiker

Plasma is obsolete.

Really? What has replaced it? Dilithium crystals?

1147 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:58:46pm

re: #1139 SanFranciscoZionist

To me this is like arguing over the massacres in Rwanda, Bosnia, and finally Darfur. To be debating liability more than 10 years after the event is pretty pointless. 20 years after the event anyone involved has grown up .. had a set of kids .. married twice .. divorced once .. and moved on.

The argument over intrinsic liability is something best fought over in a text book. Outside of that it now belongs to history.

1148 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:58:49pm

re: #1039 Occasional Reader

I know, I know, I know.
But the IDF, in retrospect, should have known better than to let them in, or at least responded faster once the massacre began.

In retrospect, I shoulda gone for the big bucks! It's easy to work out all things...in retrospect. And this canard about "should have responded sooner". Sooner than what? How? A staff officer in an APC, with a few guys to give this murderous, rampaging mob a stern talking to. Took time to get and confirm the word, and time to muster a force sufficient to take control of the situation.
You're one of the last people that I would expect to swallow that crap without questioning, and analyzing the given "facts".

1149 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 10:58:51pm

re: #1146 Noam Sayin'

I hear Pioneer and Samsung are the leaders in plasma TVs right now, from what I've read. But many people tell me that there are just a few companies making the actual screens, that you're probably going to be okay with nearly any brand. The one I'm looking at is a Samsung PN50A450. At $1,000, it's a bit off my price-point of $900, but since I can't go to Puerto Rico this year, I'll spend the extra $100.

Damn. I might order this thing tomorrow.

Got some looking around to do, first.


Plasma is obsolete.


Really? What has replaced it? Dilithium crystals?

Bose-Einstein condensates. And in TV, LCDs.

1150 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:01:00pm

re: #1147 Buster Bunny

To me this is like arguing over the massacres in Rwanda, Bosnia, and finally Darfur. To be debating liability more than 10 years after the event is pretty pointless. 20 years after the event anyone involved has grown up .. had a set of kids .. married twice .. divorced once .. and moved on.

The argument over intrinsic liability is something best fought over in a text book. Outside of that it now belongs to history.

Have to say I agree.

But still, the nerve of those IDF guys! Not raping anyone!

//

1151 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:01:36pm

re: #1143 Noam Sayin'

It's okay. On the business side, you sometimes have to be an absolute asshole to succeed, and I didn't really like the person I was becoming. It's one thing to be a successful asshole, but if you're broke and still an asshole, something's gotta change.

Glad I'm a talented asshole.

Sad but true. All the degreed people I referred to are 'Minnesota Nice', so it's no surprise they couldn't really hack it.

Strangely enough, one of my uncles, working pro (worship music director) recently remarked to me that I absolutely had to pursue vocals, after hearing me singing and 'screaming' at a concert we went to.

Kind of freaked me out. Really? I did some vocals in school, and they did go over pretty well, come to think of it.

So I've been seriously considering taking a trip to Seattle

1152 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:03:37pm

re: #1149 lostlakehiker

Bose-Einstein condensates. And in TV, LCDs.

Well, as was noted up-thread, the refresh rate on LCD is about 1/4 that of plasma, at a still higher cost. This makes gaming a problem, which I occasionally still do.

And as for Bose-Einstein condensates, I have no desire, nor the ability to keep a television screen at a temperature of near absolute zero just so I can watch a movie. Let me know when they have that particular marketing challenge worked out and I'll consider it.

1153 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:04:23pm

re: #1144 Cognito

We recently switched to the fancy bulbs at my house, and I agree with everything you've said -- I'm particularly excited that that they'll save me on electricity over time, since I am a skinflint -- but I've never heard that they help with the AC.... How so? Just less heat emanating from the bulbs themselves? If so I can't imagine that's more than marginal, really...

The extra energy that incandescents use to produce the same lumens as a CF is turned into heat. So it is a lot of heat if you have all of the lights on.

Most skyscrapers run air conditioning even in the winter - waste heat from lights and computers is significant.

1154 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:06:17pm

re: #1151 esch

Funny you should mention "Minnesota Nice." Are you from Minnesota? That's where I went to school - MSU Moorhead. It's a fine program, but there's little chance of success with a music business degree from there. I know of a few still working in the business, just the same.

1155 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:07:42pm

re: #1153 karmic_inquisitor

The extra energy that incandescents use to produce the same lumens as a CF is turned into heat. So it is a lot of heat if you have all of the lights on.

Most skyscrapers run air conditioning even in the winter - waste heat from lights and computers is significant.

How interesting. I've always been (inexplicably, maybe) interested in efficiency measures used in skyscrapers and the like. It's one area where the 'green' stuff really seems to translate into common sense. I believe I remember reading something about a tall building that... what was it... somehow funneled exterior wind up through a central shaft to moderate interior temperatures?

Ah, well, memory fails. But I'm always fascinated by that sort of thing.

1156 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:08:08pm

re: #1154 Noam Sayin'

Yeppers. Born and defrosted.

1157 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:11:51pm

I've recently purchased large quantities of incandescent bulbs whenever I find a good sale on them. It's not so much an anti-green measure as it is a 'tell the government to f*ck off measure" (you know it's coming).

Then again, I largely light my house with candles and LED Christmas lights, so I'm not really burning that much energy. I figure the 4 or so dozen incandescent bulbs I currently own will last me a couple decades.

Might even turn a profit selling them on the black market in a few years.

1158 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:12:51pm

re: #1156 esch

Where you living now? I'm still in Minneapolis - where I lost all my money.

1159 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:13:23pm

re: #1097 Occasional Reader

If I'm not mistaken, Hizballah (as such) did not yet exist when Israel went into Lebanon in 1982, but was rather founded shortly thereafter "in response to" the invasion. (I put that in scare quotes, since we all know that various stripes of jihadists long had Israel in their sights and needed no "provocation"... but that particular organization did not yet exist when the IDF first went in, I believe.)

Correcto, correcto! Begin, was after Arafat, and the PLO, that had set up shop in Lebanon after the Little King, Hussein, of Jordan, had slaughtered thousands of them for being extremely impolite guests, and threw the rest out...or rather, all that were able to, Arafat first amongst them, fled for their lives to Lebanon.

Hez b allah, did not yet exist.

1160 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:15:04pm

re: #1158 Noam Sayin'

A Minneapolis suburb.

1161 Cognito  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:15:15pm

re: #1157 Noam Sayin'

Why would you want the incandescents, though? We've been using the fancy ones for a couple of years now -- and recently made a full-on conversion -- and I've got to tell you: I can't see a drawback. Those suckers last forever.

1162 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:17:23pm

re: #1155 Cognito

How interesting. I've always been (inexplicably, maybe) interested in efficiency measures used in skyscrapers and the like. It's one area where the 'green' stuff really seems to translate into common sense. I believe I remember reading something about a tall building that... what was it... somehow funneled exterior wind up through a central shaft to moderate interior temperatures?

Ah, well, memory fails. But I'm always fascinated by that sort of thing.

There is a bunch of work going on regarding "green" skyscrapers.

The BofA building in NYC is supposed to be green. I am a bit of a skeptic - the energy it takes to build and maintain them, and to operate elevators, have them occupied only 1/3 of the day, the commutes - altogether I doubt they are greener than folks showing up at different suburban industrial parks that have offices tied into a network. The facilities costs are lower which implies a lower total energy consumption.

1163 esch  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:19:03pm

re: #1160 esch

I'm sorry Noam I'm falling asleep here. Gotta hit the sack.

Love to chat another time, though. Us one-eyed conservatives in the deep blue land of blind liberals have to stick together, ya know.

1164 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:19:16pm

re: #1161 Cognito

I forgot how I started using those but it didn't require a mandate. After buying 1 and seeing how much cooler they are and that it just kept burning I bought about 7 more. They do last forever and the first one blew out after a year. Before that I was replacing the incandescents every 3 months or so -- I'm not a big fan of interior sunlight.

Another thing is that they're rugged. You can tip over a light fixture and they won't break as easily.

1165 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:21:24pm

re: #1150 SanFranciscoZionist


But still, the nerve of those IDF guys! Not raping anyone!

//

That's because they are racists and believe arab women to be sub human. Aren't you up on this stuff?

1166 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:27:27pm

Okay. I flipped on Comedy Central, thinking I could watch an uncut movie. There's this guy running around on a stage with a microphone in his hand yelling stuff and kind of acting like an idiot; goes by the name, Dane Cook. Is he supposed to be a stand-up comic?

They don't make them like they used to.

Youtube Video
1167 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:28:59pm

re: #1166 Noam Sayin'

Don Rickles rules!

1168 Gus  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:31:51pm

Watch this when you have the time. It's 1 hour and 30 minute movie over at Hulu.

Mr. Warmth - The Don Rickles Project

1169 Buster Bunny  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:33:49pm

re: #1152 Noam Sayin'

Well, as was noted up-thread, the refresh rate on LCD is about 1/4 that of plasma, at a still higher cost. This makes gaming a problem, which I occasionally still do.

And as for Bose-Einstein condensates, I have no desire, nor the ability to keep a television screen at a temperature of near absolute zero just so I can watch a movie. Let me know when they have that particular marketing challenge worked out and I'll consider it.

You are right .. thats such a cool idea ! Not only can you watch TV but you save heaps on air conditioning !

1170 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:34:07pm

re: #1161 Cognito

Why would you want the incandescents, though? We've been using the fancy ones for a couple of years now -- and recently made a full-on conversion -- and I've got to tell you: I can't see a drawback. Those suckers last forever.

I bought some incandescent bulbs six years ago when I bought my house. I've replaced two from the previous ownership in that entire time. Like I said, I don't turn lights on all that much, so I'm not using a lot of energy through bulbs.

I have one CF bulb, and frankly hated the extreme white color of it. Meanwhile, I bought a lamp on clearance a few weeks back that has a specialized, two-prong CF bulb. When that bulb goes, I'll probably replace the socket, so at least I won't have to buy that specialized bulb, or just recycle the lamp into something else of use (heavy gauge, brushed steel).

It's not about the energy savings of it - I already do that in spades. It's about pushing back on the constant pressure we get on using CF bulbs.

1171 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:36:23pm

re: #1165 M. Bensson-Levi

That's because they are racists and believe arab women to be sub human. Aren't you up on this stuff?

I just find it so disturbing, that people could dehumanize their enemy to such a degree...

////////

1172 leap  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 11:41:16pm

Ah new thread up.

Re: The banning stick, for a needed time out.
It's PTSD folks.
Winston I do hope you realize it as well.
Contain it before it ruins you.
You're turning this into your grievance theater, not good.

1173 tyree  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 3:50:47am

Charles, I note you put "Bishop" in quotes.

If he is not a Bishop then he doesn't speak for the Church and you have no reason to be displeased at the Church for his opinions. In any organization of a billion people or so or are going to find nuts. We Catholics try to keep ours under control, but we do try. Give us some time and we will sort this out. It took us a while with Galileo, remember? Whatever his sins, Bishop Williams is still a Bishop. We can't change that by putting his title in quotes, although sometimes it would make things a lot easier. Believe me, being a Catholic is not about making life easier.

1174 Rustler  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 4:35:33am

re: #1173 tyree He is not a bishop he was raised falsely and excommunicated for it. His Excommunication was lifted by the Pope, but the pope had asked him to recant his statements about Jews just killing themselves in WW2 Germany and downplaying Concentration camps. His refusal to do so and continued denials of the Holocaust require any man of faith to denounce him. Charles can be disappointed in the church for "Bishop" Williamson's views because knowing some of his ideals they still sought to reinstate him in the church.

1175 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 6:12:55am

Denying the holocaust is stupid and disgusting and should not be rewarded with a place at any table - but it is also free speech - free thought.

The whole "hate crime" is not good.
In this case it's more like "mind crime".

1176 Teacake!  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 6:21:34am

Funny how this thread that people mentioned freedom of speech and start attacking someone for their opinions. I know what its like to be attacked here at lgf and when it happens, of course you get flustered and then others beging ganging up on you and things get out of control.

Winston was obviously ganged up on and to single him out for making an opinion that a few others didn't like - then blame him for being an asshole and should be banned is such bullshit. People could have ignored his original comment and a flame war would not have occurred.

There are a few very rude individuals here who go on the personal attack for comments they don't like. THese gangs never attack the comments but attack the person making the comments in a very sanctimonious fashion. And, twist things to mean something other than what was being stated. Basically, there are bullies here that should ignore comments rather than make things into a war. I side with WInston on this only because he was ganged up on and they made it into a war rather than just asking for facts, and by attacking him personally.

1177 Teacake!  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 6:24:47am

But FrogMarch, Germany is a different case all together. They have very strict laws concerning all things nazi. Trying to do what they can to repair all the damage they did and no other country has such a burden to bear. I imagine part of that law is to prevent a lot of bad shit from taking on a life of its own and they are very serious about nipping it in the bud.

1178 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 7:10:34am
1179 KipAllen  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 7:15:44am

As vile as expressing holocaust denial sentiments may be, it should not be subject to arrest.

1180 pupdawg  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 7:59:39am

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

I don't like it either, but for a different reason. I don't like laws that infringe upon freedom of speech. Richard Williamson should be free to deny the Holocaust. But other people should also be free to condemn him as liar and Jew-Hater. The answer to hateful speech is honest and honorable speech, nor censorship.

Excellent!

1181 hous bin pharteen  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 8:09:15am

re: #1140 Killgore Trout

The Kos Kommies and their friends are a bigger threat. They want to open the borders more, which will give violent street gangs and drug smugglers better access, give this country more threats with downing military budget, while at the same time showing this country's weakness and giving our enemies propaganda to promote their next on going attacks. With their stupid asshole economic plans, there is going to be many people out of work looking for government help without the government having the resources to help.
Its like the 70's, only worse, all over again. Drug use and prostitution is going to go way up, unemployment, homeless people, etc.

WELCOME BACK CARTER!

1182 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 8:17:14am
1183 Pupdawg  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 9:00:12am

re: #1182 ploome hineni

and we are all free to redicule the orginization that embraces a nutjob like Williamson?

Also an excellent addition!

1184 krisstingle  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 9:54:45am

re: #135 ploome hineni

no one was ever excommunicated for denying the Holocaust

no one

With all due respect, could you supply me with other Catholic names who
denied the Holocaust.

1185 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 10:46:01am
1186 tradewind  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:42:53am

He should be stripped of his priesthood for sure, but arresting someone for disgusting speech and idiotic ideology is not the answer. It could just as easily be turned around and directed against anyone who displeased the government.
I hope the BHO administration doesn't get too starry-eyed about the Euros and their way of governing.


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