Overnight Open Thread

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Open • Sat Feb 28, 2009 at 11:11 pm PST • Views: 142

I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night.

W. H. Auden, September 1, 1939

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1 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:12:57pm

Good night.

2 Afrocity  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:15:44pm

Ah, 52nd Street.

3 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:15:47pm

Or perhaps I should say, "Goood day".

4 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:17:33pm

Good Morning Lizards

5 davinvalkri  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:19:03pm

re: #4 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards

Good morning? Do we mean morning in the technical sense of Sunday, O'dark thirty?

6 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:19:41pm

Green Acres

7 ggt  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:19:45pm

still forcing myself to watch CPAC.

Strangely, I've been spared of listening to Ron Paul until now. I managed to miss him when he was running for POTUS. Missing him was a good thing.

8 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:20:45pm

Coincidentally, I just read this poem this week.

9 BignJames  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:21:20pm
10 Colonel Panik  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:21:43pm

re: #7 ggt

still forcing myself to watch CPAC.

Strangely, I've been spared of listening to Ron Paul until now. I managed to miss him when he was running for POTUS. Missing him was a good thing.

I missed Newt. I'll have to check and see if it was posted on youtube.

11 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:23:09pm

52nd Street

12 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:23:55pm

The last stanza the best:

Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages;
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

now I really have to get some sleeps

13 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:25:48pm

Me, too.

14 rawmuse  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:26:41pm

This is the night
Of the expanding the man
I take one last drag
As I approach the stand
I cried when I wrote this song
Sue me if I play too long
This brother is free
Ill be what I want to be

15 NY Nana  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:27:26pm

re: #13 Noam Sayin'

Me three! (Not my age, honest!)

G'nite, all. Sweet dreams!

16 BignJames  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:28:09pm

re: #14 rawmuse

Learn to work the saxophone

17 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:29:53pm

re: #15 NY Nana

{NY Nana}

G'night, Nana.

G'night, Gracie.

G'night, Mrs. Kalabash, wherever you are.

Seeya, lizards.

18 BlueCanuck  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:30:59pm

Ah the overnight open thread. Been busy lurking. Catching up on my science shows.

19 BlueCanuck  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:31:18pm

Night N.Y. Nana.

20 rawmuse  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:31:37pm
21 Gus  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:35:44pm

"1st September 1939" by W.H. Auden

22 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:40:08pm

Mornin', lizards! Am I still supposed to be giving 0bama a chance?

23 Killian Bundy  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:40:13pm

re: #20 rawmuse

Spider Man musical planned for Broadway.

Pffft! You call that blasphemy?

/Red Dawn remake

24 SurferDoc  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:40:27pm

...drink scotch whiskey all night long...

25 Colonel Panik  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:41:04pm

re: #14 rawmuse

This is the night
Of the expanding the man
I take one last drag
As I approach the stand
I cried when I wrote this song
Sue me if I play too long
This brother is free
Ill be what I want to be

Learn to work
The Saxaphone
I'm gonna play what I feel
Drink Scotch whiskey
All night long
And die behind the wheel
They've got a name
For the winners in the world
I want a name when I lose
They call Alabama the Crimson Tide
They call me Deacon Blue

26 Killian Bundy  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:42:17pm

re: #24 SurferDoc

...drink scotch whiskey all night long...

/all '80s all the time

27 ggt  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:45:00pm
28 SurferDoc  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:45:05pm

I crawl like a viper through these suburban streets

Make love to these women so languid and bittersweet...

29 Killian Bundy  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:47:57pm

/with McDonald

30 rawmuse  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:48:09pm

Glad to know "Deacon Blues" has so many fans. That is one righteous song, with a righteous sax solo. Pete Christlieb, IIRC.

31 ggt  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:51:31pm

weet dreams honcos!

32 SurferDoc  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:53:51pm

Deacon Blues was a staple on "soft rock" FM stations during a period of my life that resonated with the lyrics. I'm glad to have that a long ago chapter but I will always remember the music.

33 Karagush  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:53:59pm

wow. threads movin slow.

34 lostlakehiker  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:56:48pm

Dang. Don't scare me. That poem should be kept back on the shelf unless something absolutely awful is at the top of the news.

For all the economic trouble the world has, the future ought to be bright. We're just so clever, we're bound to find a way around "peak oil", global warming, a brand of Islam so combative one is put in mind of Kzinti, the revanchist ambitions of Putin's Russia, etc.

There won't be any getting around the rise to major power status of China, then India. U.S. influence will remain potent but we will no longer be first-with-no-equals. Buck up, folks. Absent paralyzing fear, we'll get through this bad patch. We've bloody well got through far worse. That poem being a reminder.

35 BlueCanuck  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:57:27pm

re: #33 Karagush

wow. threads movin slow.

Sometimes it's a good thing. A nice slow Saturday night/Sunday morning. good people, good drinks, and good music. Me? I can still keep up lurking and going through some righteous science documentaries that I keep discovering on Youtube. Like the one on the Grand Canyon.

36 Karagush  Sat, Feb 28, 2009 11:59:37pm

re: #34 lostlakehiker

Dang. Don't scare me. That poem should be kept back on the shelf unless something absolutely awful is at the top of the news.

For all the economic trouble the world has, the future ought to be bright. We're just so clever, we're bound to find a way around "peak oil", global warming, a brand of Islam so combative one is put in mind of Kzinti, the revanchist ambitions of Putin's Russia, etc.

There won't be any getting around the rise to major power status of China, then India. U.S. influence will remain potent but we will no longer be first-with-no-equals. Buck up, folks. Absent paralyzing fear, we'll get through this bad patch. We've bloody well got through far worse. That poem being a reminder.

Lostlake props to you for referencing Kzinti. I love Larry Niven's Known World.

37 Boxy_brown  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:01:00am

re: #34 lostlakehiker

"Dang. Don't scare me. That poem should be kept back on the shelf unless something absolutely awful is at the top of the news. "

I remember it being sent around in the aftermath of 9/11/01.

September 1, 1939 W. H. Auden


I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night.

Accurate scholarship can
Unearth the whole offence
From Luther until now
That has driven a culture mad,
Find what occurred at Linz,
What huge imago made
A psychopathic god:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.

Into this neutral air
Where blind skyscrapers use
Their full height to proclaim
The strength of Collective Man,
Each language pours its vain
Competitive excuse:
But who can live for long
In an euphoric dream;
Out of the mirror they stare,
Imperialism's face
And the international wrong.

Faces along the bar
Cling to their average day:
The lights must never go out,
The music must always play,
All the conventions conspire
To make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we are,
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
Who have never been happy or good.

The windiest militant trash
Important Persons shout
Is not so crude as our wish:
What mad Nijinsky wrote
About Diaghilev
Is true of the normal heart;
For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.

From the conservative dark
Into the ethical life
The dense commuters come,
Repeating their morning vow;
"I will be true to the wife,
I'll concentrate more on my work,"
And helpless governors wake
To resume their compulsory game:
Who can release them now,
Who can reach the deaf,
Who can speak for the dumb?

All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die.

Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

38 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:01:16am

re: #36 Karagush

Wouldn't it be "Known Universe"?

39 Karagush  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:04:58am

re: #38 BlueCanuck

Wouldn't it be "Known Universe"?

duh yes. Now i think i should go to bed! i really should read before i hit send...

40 pbird  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:10:02am

For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.

***

Well, ain't that the startling truth.

41 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:11:35am

re: #32 SurferDoc

Deacon Blues was a staple on "soft rock" FM stations during a period of my life that resonated with the lyrics. I'm glad to have that a long ago chapter but I will always remember the music.


Moi aussi, as the French in France would say...lol.

The song "My Old School" is forever linked in my mind with Albert Hammond's "It Never Rains In Southern California" and the week we stayed in LA waiting to catch the ship to Honolulu when I moved there in 1972...it was overcast that whole week...I remember watching the airliners going in and out of LAX, and the terrorist attack at the Munich Olympics on the tube. For some reason "My Old School" is mixed in with those images in my mind although it wasn't released until the following summer. Age does odd things to your memories.

42 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:12:00am

re: #38 BlueCanuck

Wouldn't it be "Known Universe"?

Actually it "Known Space".

43 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:15:12am

Funny how things are so synchronistic. I was reading the auden poem in one tab and viewing clips of "In The Face of Evil" on youtube in another and the clip was about Hitler, Chamberlain and Churchill...

44 SurferDoc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:19:52am

re: #41 Colonel Panik

I'm out of work
I'm out of my head
I'm out of respect
I'm out of bread
I'm underloved
I'm underfed
I wanna go home...

Nice little lyric there.

45 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:22:26am

re: #42 Colonel Panik

Ugh, so you are right. :p

46 Karagush  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:23:42am

re: #45 BlueCanuck

Ugh, so you are right. :p

does that mean we should BOTH go to bed?

47 LynnfromNZ  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:24:13am

Auden, excellent choice. Underrated poet, probably the best in English since Yeats/Eliot.

48 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:28:00am

re: #46 Karagush

LOL, unfortunately I can't. Stuck at work, and my company frowns on sleeping on the job.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:29:23am

Speaking of Yeats, who I occasionally want to kill (don't bother me with the news that he's dead) for being a better writer than he deserved to be...

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:34:51am

Or Ahkmatova, who just gives me the deep Russian blues...

I drink to our ruined house,
to the dolor of my life,
to our loneliness together;
and to you I raise my glass,
to lying lips that have betrayed us,
to dead-cold, pitiless eyes,
and to the hard realities:
that the world is brutal and coarse,
that God in fact has not saved us.

51 Mardukhai  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:42:43am

There once was a lady of Orange
Who somehow got stuck on a door hinge
We mush leave her up there,
In all her despair,
For nothing else rhymes with Orange!

-- I wrote that one. Applause appreciated. (My father was a famous poet, made me listen to his stuff when I was in kindergarten. Have hated to read or listen to poetry ever since.)

52 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:45:11am

There once was a woman from Nantucket...

53 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:45:12am

that that is is that that is not is not that is it

/fill in the punc's

54 Mardukhai  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:50:56am

Fenway -- No applause?

Applesauce also works.

55 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:05:31am

re: #53 IslandLibertarian

that that is is that that is not is not that is it

/fill in the punc's

That that is, is. That that is not, is not. That is it.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:06:28am

re: #51 Mardukhai

There once was a lady of Orange
Who somehow got stuck on a door hinge
We mush leave her up there,
In all her despair,
For nothing else rhymes with Orange!

-- I wrote that one. Applause appreciated. (My father was a famous poet, made me listen to his stuff when I was in kindergarten. Have hated to read or listen to poetry ever since.)

(Clap, clap, clap, clap...)

57 Buster Bunny  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:06:33am

re: #55 gmsc

That that is, is. That that is not, is not. That is it.

So what is what? Is that which it is what it should be or what that it is not?

58 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:06:55am

re: #53 IslandLibertarian

that that is is that that is not is not that is it

/fill in the punc's

Or, to make it just a little harder: that that is is that that is not is not is that it it is

59 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:07:28am

Morning gmsc. Here's a documentary on youtube that I found and just thought of you.

60 Buster Bunny  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:08:52am

re: #58 gmsc

Or, to make it just a little harder: that that is is that that is not is not is that it it is

Ok . . . with that I think you took my mental milkshake you were making .. and turned into psychotic icecream.

61 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:09:14am

re: #59 BlueCanuck

Morning gmsc. Here's a documentary on youtube that I found and just thought of you.

Thanks! I've favorited it, and will watch it tomorrow.

62 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:09:45am

re: #58 gmsc

Or, to make it just a little harder: that that is is that that is not is not is that it it is

Quite.

63 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:10:28am

re: #58 gmsc

Or, to make it just a little harder: that that is is that that is not is not is that it it is

re: #60 Buster Bunny

Ok . . . with that I think you took my mental milkshake you were making .. and turned into psychotic icecream.

The second version is punctuated in this manner:

That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is.

64 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:12:54am

That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is.

ahhh, another twenty minutes of my life well spent...

/'least I ain't smokin' pot...

65 Buster Bunny  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:13:11am

re: #63 gmsc

The second version is punctuated in this manner:

That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is.

Ah it was so simple ! That that is always was and that that was not is not because if that is it and it is stated that it is then that that is always is not consistantly always and should not be !

Wow .. its so easy once u get it !

66 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:14:25am

Today in History, March 1:

67 capitalist piglet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:17:34am

re: #14 rawmuse

This is the night
Of the expanding the man
I take one last drag
As I approach the stand
I cried when I wrote this song
Sue me if I play too long
This brother is free
Ill be what I want to be

Coolest. Tune. Ever.

68 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:27:03am

gmsc's money tips #9:

Besides watching where the money is going out, how about making sure more money is coming in? The more you look for opportunities around you, the more you'll find.

One money making idea that's becoming more and more popular on the web is making your own on-demand items. There are numerous services that will let you create your own print or electronic items, as well as create custom designs on clothing, mugs, tiles, journals and almost anything else, in order to sell them to other people!

Often you can create simple stores at these sites for free, with more advanced options available for paid stores (see my CafePress store site for an example). Take a look at these sites, and see if they don't spark some ideas for your own original products and product designs:

CafePress

Zazzle

Lulu

Spreadshirt

CreateSpace

Perhaps you have an item you already create, but you'd like to promote and sell it to a wider audience? Try eBay (of course), or Etsy, if it's a handmade item!

Speaking of eBay, why not find inexpensive items that you can turn around and sell for a profit on there? I know some people who shop at places like Big Lots, and then turn around an sell the items they buy there. There have been a few times that I've bought discounted/refurbished items from the Apple Store, marked them up (but kept them less than the new price), and sold them.

Yes, many of the above sites and the economic opportunities have been on the internet for some time. However, there's another opportunity that is just getting started on the internet. I'll discuss that in my next money tip.

69 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:42:02am
70 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:42:42am

re: #68 gmsc

DISCUSS IT NOW!

/please!?

71 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:43:45am

re: #69 ploome hineni

Umm...give him a chance?

/MSM

72 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:49:39am

re: #68 gmsc

Anti-Obama merchandise?

73 capitalist piglet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:55:59am

Report: Iran Stole Marine One Specs

(CNET) An Internet security company claims that Iran has taken advantage of a computer security breach to obtain engineering and communications information about Marine One, President Barack Obama's helicopter, according to a report by WPXI, NBC's affiliate in Pittsburgh.

74 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:58:28am

Random question, but what if Joe the Plumber was actually Joe the Railway Engineer or Joe the Assembly Line Machinist and he got 0bama to let the mask slip a little like he did? How would the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers or International Association of Machinists react if one of their own made (what I assume was) their selection for president of the USA bad?

/Only union that I know of who endorsed McCain/Palin was the Fraternal Order of Police. 0bama chumming around with radicals and cop-killers probably had something to do with that...

75 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:00:06am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

76 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:00:18am

re: #74 Fenway_Nation

After they finished one of their no-work or no-show contracts with the boys in Jersey, they would have "taken care" of Joe.

77 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:00:31am

re: #72 ArchangelMichael

Anti-Obama merchandise?

Better make those quick- I'm sure they'll be banned under the new 'Fairness doctoring doctorine' which won't be the fairness doctorine like 0bama's non-state of the Union speech was a State of the Union speech...

78 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:00:37am

re: #70 littleoldlady

DISCUSS IT NOW!

/please!?

I'm getting there, but I do have to finish typing it up!

re: #71 Fenway_Nation

Umm...give him a chance?

/MSM

Thanks.

re: #72 ArchangelMichael

Anti-Obama merchandise?

No, that's not it - but I'm sure that will be a growth market over the next few years!
;)

79 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:00:51am

re: #75 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Yum, thanks! I'll eat and type!

80 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:02:37am

re: #78 gmsc

gmsc! :-)

Good!

/because I can't hang around much today... :-(

81 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:04:57am

re: #78 gmsc

No, that's not it - but I'm sure that will be a growth market over the next few years!
;)

That's a racket I was thinking about getting into but the tin-foil hat in me is afraid of getting visited by Obamasturmabteilung.

82 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:06:20am

re: #75 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!


Thank you littleoldlady!
My first fruitcup.

83 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:07:48am

VioletTiger! :-)

Bon appetit!

84 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:07:56am

re: #81 ArchangelMichael

That and I don't think that Shepard Fairey would be OK with me using his commie posters to make fun of or criticize his new God.

85 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:09:12am

I attended an initial meeting for an Armenian Social Committee in charge of gathering Armenian youth and throwing social events in the name of getting people together.

Hooray, I'm a community organizer too!

86 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:10:28am

re: #85 TheMatrix31

I play Civilization 4 and Galactic Civ 2. I like to think of myself as a community organizer too.

87 TheMadKing  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:12:07am

HOT NEWS ITEM!

PUNK'D AMPAS IN REAL PICKLE IN IRAN!

Sent info to Charles et al, this should be a hot item on the morning news circuit. Already at Breitbart, Nickki Finke and Drudge, spreading far and wide. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch :)

Here's the skinny as I forwarded it to every blog and news agency I could find.

---

Guys! Have you heard that the Iranians will not let AMPAS members now in Tehran (which includes Annette Bening and Acad prez Sid Ganis) to meet their Iranian film counterparts until and unless they confess to such cultural crimes as 300 and The Wrestler? HA HA HA!

IRAN WANTS APOLOGY FROM HOLLYWOOD TEAM, Drudge via Breitbart and AFP

AMPAS GETS PUNK'D BY IRAN GOVERNMENT, Nikki Finke's Deadline Hollywood Daily

This is where the drama REALLY starts!

What do they do? Ride the wire and hope an apologetic non-apology (blamed mostly on Bush, no doubt) will gain them access to Iranian filmmakers, MAYBE? What if they get double-crossed and ejected from the country for confessing to such horrific cultural crimes as the aforementioned films?

And confessing to us for a few others while they're at it, LOL!

But I digress.

SO, do they play contrite and prostrate to a regime responsible for an ocean of blood, including American through proxies Hezbollah and HAMAS, and slings up Harvey Milks and Matthew Shepherds by the dozen, thereby undermining all Penn and Black pleaded for at the Oscars, i.e. humane and civilized treatment of gays?

If so, they risk losing incredible face.

If not, they are denied access and return home shamed and a lot lighter of pocket.

Now THAT'S comedy!

Does it get any better? Not sure, but I LIKE IT!

By the way, I broke this story to Nikki Finke and Drudge. Have the email proof. Nikki even used my byline. I got a mofo-in' scoop!

Do what you will now. Happy to just watch the rockets fall.

I hope AMPAS has a bomb shelter, LOL!

88 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:14:00am

re: #76 ArchangelMichael

I remember a particularly nasty/bitter strike for Guilford Rail System (which was the parent company of the combined Delaware & Hudson, Boston & Maine and Maine Central Railways at the time) when I was a kid growing up back east. During the latter stages of the strike, someone took six idling locomotives and set them loose on the Boston & Maine mainline.

/Whaddaya know? The New York Times actually was useful to me. Way to earn that $4 a share stock price, pinchey!

89 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:18:26am

re: #87 TheMadKing

HOT NEWS ITEM!

/might even be believable with something resembling a linky

90 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:18:49am

gmsc's money tips #10:

One of the big things over the past few years has been social networking sites, with Facebook and Myspace getting the lion's share of the attention.

However, there's been another, quieter, but nonetheless powerful kind of social networking website going up - person to person lending, also known as social lending or P2P lending.

The easiest way to think of these sites is in a manner similar to eBay. However, instead of buyers, you have borrowers, and instead of sellers, you have lenders. Also, instead of bidding a price up, you're often bidding an interest rate down.

It starts with borrower(s) asking for an amount of money they need, and a maximum interest rate they're willing to pay. As part of the bid, not only are the reasons for their request given, and questions often answered, but information about their past credit history and other relevant and important details, as well.

At first, the borrower(s) have to wait and see if lenders will put up the fulll amount. Usually, dozens (or even hundreds) of lenders will offer up a small part of the amount (say, $50 to $100 when a loan of $1,000+ is requested), and at the maximum interest rate offered.

When enough loans are offered, lenders can still offer money, but they must be competitive by offering their newer money at lower interest rates. As newer money comes in at lower interest rates, lenders who offered money at higher interest rates get bumped off the list, and must offer their money at the same or lower rate to get a part of the loan.

There are already an amazing amount of social lending sites out there already, including these:

Community Lend

Fynanz

Globe Funder

Lending Club

Loan Back

Loanio

Prosper (my personal choice)

Virgin Money

(Note: Due to current market conditions, many of these companies are restructuring, and some of them may not be accepting new members at this time.)

Prosper (my choice, as mentioned above) has some great detailed introductions to the concept, and their site. Start by checking out the FAQ (this is the Prosper FAQ, but all of them should have a FAQ, as well), and consider it carefully.

91 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:19:36am

Good morning littleoldlady thanks for the fruitcup. Sorry about the delay. Work is really annoying this morning.

92 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:19:52am

re: #80 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

Good!

/because I can't hang around much today... :-(

If you're still here, I just posted it at #90.

93 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:22:41am

LOL

Someone down dinged my anti LHC-moonbat comments in the other thread. I guess I'm starting to piss off the anti-science crowd like the best of them. Either that or there some silent LGF lurking Lizard who has a PhD in Physics and takes objection to stating that a unit of Plank time is 5.34E-44 sec, when it's actually 5.39E-44 sec.

I think its probably not the latter.

94 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:25:22am

re: #93 ArchangelMichael

LOL

Someone down dinged my anti LHC-moonbat comments in the other thread. I guess I'm starting to piss off the anti-science crowd like the best of them. Either that or there some silent LGF lurking Lizard who has a PhD in Physics and takes objection to stating that a unit of Plank time is 5.34E-44 sec, when it's actually 5.39E-44 sec.

I think its probably not the latter.

Click on the number by the plus and minus sign, and a window will come up and show you the screenname of the person/people who downdinged you.

95 Ledger1  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:26:15am

If it has not been posted here is some economic humor from Iowahawk:

'The Dave Burge sector: leading America back to prosperity'

[Picture of large incomplete house with junk cars in front and inflatable gorilla marked with ‘Party Tonight’]

Thanks to the new housing bailout plan, happy days are here again for America's sub-prime borrowing community -- but Iowahawk's Dave Burge warns that national recovery is now threatened by deadbeat tax protesters who failed to understand the rules of the game

For many months now, I have been writing about how the national mortgage crisis has affected at-risk borrowers like myself. Lured in by devious plus-size lenders like Linda Mustaine, with their promises of low interest ARMs and free Igloo coolers, millions of us were tricked into purchasing houses we obviously could not afford. Worse, when the market turned south, we faced the nightmarish prospect of being relocated to homes that we arguably could afford.

But through all of it, some of us persevered. We made the hard economic choices. We fought off eviction by keeping Linda Mustaine juiced up with mai tais at Applebee's happy hour... We spent countless hours applying for the credit cards that would see us through... when the rainy day came, Washington would come to its senses and clear up the tab.

Happily, that day has finally arrived. Thanks to the new federal mortgage bailout bill, Americans like me are finally on track for housing security. Previously facing a $1.2 million debt from three mortgage on a home recently appraised at $43,500, less missing bathroom fixtures and windows, the President's plan allowed me to renegotiate my payments down to a level that will keep me solvent until at least mid June-ish.

...now that my mortgage worries are over, I was able to afford the down payment on a sweet new jet ski, directly creating jobs at Coralville Kawasaki. I also purchased a few items from my friend and local small business entrepreneur Randy Hansgard. Randy used that money to make high tech capital improvements in his business, like new grow-lights and an Ohaus 3-beam electronic scale. After I wrecked the jet ski, this created jobs at the Coralville Kawasaki service department. I also splurged by sending Linda a thoughtful Jenny Craig gift certificate with my partial January mortgage payment, because she's really been packing on the pounds lately...

...that small amount of money I originally spent now gets re-spent, and re-re-spent, snowballing through the economy, creating jobs and opportunities everywhere it goes. America's liquor stores and zip-lock bag makers and go-kart tracks hire millions of new workers. Eventually this tsunami of economic activity creates additional wealth for everyone, even the stupid tax protesters, resulting in more tax revenues to pay for my next round of job-creating bailout spending...

Iowa Hawk, Memo to Americ’s Irresponsible Tea Party Whiners STFU

96 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:27:38am

BlueCanuck! :-)

gmsc,

Yeah, I was waiting for you to type it out. Borrowing is not an option.

/Money Making Ideas 'R Us

Actually, I've got a million of them. My daughter calls me the World's Biggest Underachiever :-(

Do you make anything from your CafePress store?

97 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:29:05am

re: #94 gmsc

Yeah I know. It was the same guy in both. The only time I've ever been down-dinged here that I can remember besides this is when Salamantis and I had an argument in an atheism thread and I was not articulating my agnostic viewpoint very well.

Even times when I've torn a few Republican sacred cows a new a-hole in posts I didn't get down-dinged. I guess I'm starting to become a real Lizard now.

98 themadking  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:30:18am

Okay, Killian Red, too lazy to cut and paste?

That's okay. We aim to please.

Here ya go.

via Drudge, Brietbart and AFP:
Iran Wants Apology From Hollywood Team

Via Nikki Finke's Dealine Hollywood Daily:
AMPAS GETS PUNK'D BY IRAN GOVERNMENT

Happy now?

Hope they posted OK.

If not, you're on your own, son.

Regards, TMK.

99 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:30:29am

Siegfried and Roy take final bow for charity

The brief charity show saw Roy Horn and Siegfried Fischbacher side by side with Montecore, the massive white tiger that brutally mauled Horn during a 2003 performance.

Horn re-emerged Saturday dressed in black robes, his face covered with a skeletal mask. The dark stage was covered in smoke. Horn limped slowly onstage, often steadying himself on Fischbacher's shoulder.

The two slowly performed a signature illusion as Fischbacher, dressed in white robes and a mask, stood inside a cage, which was then cloaked in drapes. As Horn removed the curtain seconds later, Fischbacher appeared across stage, a hulking tiger in his place.

As the crowd took to its feet, the men removed their masks. Fischbacher standing between the tiger and Horn. They waved and blew kisses at the audience, but said nothing.

/it would have been more dramatic if . . .

100 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:31:55am

re: #98 themadking

Okay, Killian Red, too lazy to cut and paste?

/WTF are you talking about?

101 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:32:54am

That's a good question from littleoldlady there. Does your Cafepress store make any money gmsc?

102 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:34:55am

re: #96 littleoldlady

BlueCanuck! :-)

gmsc,

Yeah, I was waiting for you to type it out. Borrowing is not an option.

/Money Making Ideas 'R Us

Actually, I've got a million of them. My daughter calls me the World's Biggest Underachiever :-(

Do you make anything from your CafePress store?

Actually, borrowing is not what I was suggesting. I've never borrowed on Prosper. I'm only a lender! Of course, this goes along with the saving suggested in the The Richest Man in Babylon.

103 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:39:17am

re: #96 littleoldlady

Do you make anything from your CafePress store?

re: #101 ArchangelMichael

That's a good question from littleoldlady there. Does your Cafepress store make any money gmsc?

Yep! It's not a fortune, but in the 3 years I've been running it, I've made over $1,100 in profit from my Cafepress store.

104 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:42:09am

re: #103 gmsc

Yep! It's not a fortune, but in the 3 years I've been running it, I've made over $1,100 in profit from my Cafepress store.

One thing I like is that the items don't cost you anything to design. Once you offer the item for sale, only then does Cafepress take out their cut. As long as you've set a price at which people will buy the product and that gives you a profit over Cafepress' amount for creating it, it's a good way to make money.

105 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:45:05am

re: #104 gmsc

Does CafePress let you know what it costs to print?

106 TheMadKing  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:48:26am

RE Killian's WTF to TheMadKing:

re: #89 Killian Bundy

/might even be believable with something resembling a linky

Sound familiar now, Killian?

You wanted linkys, ya got 'em. WTF?

107 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:48:45am

BTW, in case anyone was wondering...it's not a good idea to put your cellphone in the washing machine.

:-(

108 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:50:45am

re: #107 littleoldlady

At least it's clean...or all the scattered components are...

109 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:51:34am

re: #107 littleoldlady

BTW, in case anyone was wondering...it's not a good idea to put your cellphone in the washing machine.

:-(

My Mom washed my little brother's pants today with his ITouch Ipod still in the pocket...

110 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:53:03am

re: #105 littleoldlady

Does CafePress let you know what it costs to print?

Of course! It wouldn't be very fair to do otherwise, would it?

Here are all the products you can customize at CafePress. The prices below them are what CafePress charges to make them.

Do you want to design a baseball jersey? Once you've set up your account, and created and uploaded your design, CafePress will print for you for $16.99. If you sell it for, say, $24.99, then when someone buys it, CafePress will take their $16.99, and the remaining $8 goes to you.

Keep in mind, too, that there are free shops, such as my 0bama Rules site (check out the shirt to understand the name), which are limited in capacity and customization, and paid sites, such as my site I linked to earlier.

All the free sites will tend to look the same (as they have the same design), but you can easily overcome the capacity limitations by creating as many of them as you want or need!

The real trick to success with a CafePress store is promoting it, as it would be with any other store. I use my blog to promote my store regularly, and that is what has helped the most!

111 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:54:09am

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

Fenway! :-)

I've discovered the secret to perpetual motion.

/the battery
//oy

Matrix! :-)

Yeah, that's exactly how I achieved my f'up du jour. :-(

112 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:55:39am

re: #110 gmsc

Okay! GREAT info/advice! Thanks very much! :-)

113 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 2:56:18am

re: #103 gmsc

Thanks for the posts and the links. I've been looking for supplementary income ideas that don't involve bending over backwards or going back to delivering pizzas part time during football season. I'm not expecting any huge raises at work for awhile and there are certain attributes at the place beyond the paycheck that keep me there. That and with 10+% unemployment in CA, I doubt there's anywhere I could go anyway.

The lending thing is interesting and I'm going to put it in my "look into this" pile. Has Prosper made you much money? Have you had any deadbeats?

114 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:02:27am

re: #111 littleoldlady

Fenway! :-)

I've discovered the secret to perpetual motion.

/the battery
//oy

Matrix! :-)

Yeah, that's exactly how I achieved my f'up du jour. :-(

It's exactly why I've been doing my own laundry since I was a kid ;)

But I've left things in there on more than one occasion. The most frequent offender? Paper towels/napkins.

115 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:04:26am

re: #113 ArchangelMichael

Thanks for the posts and the links. I've been looking for supplementary income ideas that don't involve bending over backwards or going back to delivering pizzas part time during football season. I'm not expecting any huge raises at work for awhile and there are certain attributes at the place beyond the paycheck that keep me there. That and with 10+% unemployment in CA, I doubt there's anywhere I could go anyway.

The lending thing is interesting and I'm going to put it in my "look into this" pile. Has Prosper made you much money? Have you had any deadbeats?

With the current economy? Of course there have been deadbeats!

However, the lending sites do employ collection companies to go after them. When they finally do pay, the lending site and/or the collection company does take a chunk out of it, but I see it as you're getting more than you would if they never paid.

Also, when there are deadbeats, I like to go back and look at the original bidding page and ask myself what signs were there that this person could have defaulted. What kinds of things should I look out for in future bidding?

Also, since I expected to have this money tied up on a scale of years, I'm not too upset if I can't get it back right away.

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss
-If, Rudyard Kipling

I've actually been more upset with the people who have paid their loans off early. Sure, it's good to have your money back and useful, but I'm loaning to make money on interest, and if you pay it all back too early, I'm cheated on interest! Oh, well - maybe I can use it to bid on people who will pay it back over time, and get me that interest I wanted in the first place.

116 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:06:18am

re: #114 TheMatrix31

There's been times when I've left $5 or $20 bills in my pants and they went round and round in the washer...but were still negotiable afterwards (albeit soggy and wrinkled).

I think the most agonizing thing I left in my pants while washing them was a starburst wrapper. When I was in high school, this sweet, curvaceous blonde that had been playing hard-to-get left me her phone # on the only available piece of paper at the time- a starburst wrapper...

117 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:07:18am

re: #112 littleoldlady

Okay! GREAT info/advice! Thanks very much! :-)

You're welcome.

Are you familiar with how to use various drawing programs? Most people design in Photoshop or similar programs, but anything that lets you design what you want, and control things like the resolution of the image, should be able to work.

There's some great help in creating your products here.

118 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:09:17am

re: #117 gmsc

Yeah well...I used to be a graphic artist, actually.

/people used to pay me, too

Always good to know the specs! Thanks again! :-)

119 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:10:17am

re: #115 gmsc

I've actually been more upset with the people who have paid their loans off early. Sure, it's good to have your money back and useful, but I'm loaning to make money on interest, and if you pay it all back too early, I'm cheated on interest! Oh, well - maybe I can use it to bid on people who will pay it back over time, and get me that interest I wanted in the first place.

Fucking deadbeats...paying off early- who the fuck do they think they are!?

The poor widdle dahlings at Visa are probably saying the same thing about me...

120 lynnfromnz  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:13:24am

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

The center cannot hold... how often have I thought that one of the most perceptive commentaries on contemporary American politics. Thanks for this, good quote.

121 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:14:00am

re: #113 ArchangelMichael

Thanks for the posts and the links. I've been looking for supplementary income ideas that don't involve bending over backwards or going back to delivering pizzas part time during football season.

I was just going through some financial sites, and I found one called 52 ways to make extra money.

I saw #1 and immediately thought back to your post above! It made me laugh!
;)

122 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:18:13am

re: #106 TheMadKing

Sound familiar now, Killian?

You wanted linkys, ya got 'em. WTF?

What does that have to do with cut and paste Mr. 25 comments?

/not my fault you're too retarded to link on the first try

123 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:20:06am

If I get a paper route somebody else is going to have to serve fruitcup every morning.

/Nah. Every local daily has declared bankruptcy this week!

;-)

Good day, ALL!™

Thanks again, gmsc! :-)

124 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:24:08am

Speaking of ingenious ways to make money, has anyone here ever read One Red Paperclip?

This guy started with one red paperclip (thus the name of the blog), which he traded for a fish-shaped pen. he traded the fish-shaped pen for...

• a doorknob, which he traded for

• a portable outdoor stove, which he traded for

• a power generator, which he traded for

• a neon Budweiser sign, which he traded for

• a snowmobile, which he traded for

• a trip to Yahk, British Columbia, which he traded for

• a truck, which he traded for

• a recording contract, which he traded for

• a one-year stay in Phoenix, which he traded for

• an afternoon with Alice Cooper, which he traded for

• a KISS snowglobe, which he traded for

• a minor role in a Hollwood movie, which he traded for

• a house!

That's right - by promoting his trading project, the guy was ultimately able to trade a red paperclip for a house!

125 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:24:39am

re: #123 littleoldlady

If I get a paper route somebody else is going to have to serve fruitcup every morning.

/Nah. Every local daily has declared bankruptcy this week!

;-)

Good day, ALL!™

Thanks again, gmsc! :-)

You're welcome. Good night/day to lol!

126 gmsc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:25:24am

I'd better say good night myself! I haven't been to bed yet!

Good night, all!

127 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:26:26am

...and here's little old me wide awake and sober.

128 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:26:53am

Night gmsc, bye littleoldlady. See you both tomorrow.

129 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:27:11am

re: #127 Fenway_Nation

That sucks, being sober that is.

130 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:31:18am

re: #129 BlueCanuck

Yea...it's not like I have to drive somewhere...

131 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:36:20am

Good Morning LGF.
It's (/a dangerously warm/) -21 (-6F) up here in the Great White North.
Screw you Gore!

132 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:37:38am

Morning all testing new Avatar how's everyone doing?

133 Buster Bunny  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:37:57am

re: #131 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
It's (/a dangerously warm/) -21 (-6F) up here in the Great White North.
Screw you Gore!

Shh .. the Democrat eating polar bears might hear you.

134 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:38:15am

Mornin' Spare! I wuz just lamenting my sobriety...

135 Buster Bunny  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:39:28am

re: #134 Fenway_Nation

Mornin' Spare! I wuz just lamenting my sobriety...

Thanks to O .. I'm learning to drink again.

136 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:41:21am

re: #135 Buster Bunny

I already knew how to drink, but I'm rediscovering talk radio on the right side of the dial ever since 0bama got elected.

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:45:49am

Snowy here. Just enough to be pretty but not enough to be a nuisance.

138 Buster Bunny  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:46:26am

re: #136 Fenway_Nation

I already knew how to drink, but I'm rediscovering talk radio on the right side of the dial ever since 0bama got elected.

Change HAS to come from the right. There are too many screwballs on the left to get anything done except splurge hard-earned cash on fake causes. We just need the right to stop siding with Nazis and creationists to get an end-result. And we might just get something done.

139 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:48:22am

re: #134 Fenway_Nation

Mornin' Spare! I wuz just lamenting my sobriety...

How dry I am,
How wet I'll be,
If I can't find,
The bathroom key.

Morning Fenway Nation, how about those Bruins? :D

140 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:48:51am

re: #138 Buster Bunny

Change HAS to come from the right. There are too many screwballs on the left to get anything done except splurge hard-earned cash on fake causes.

You'd think that in and of itself would be enough to catapult the GOP to a majority on both houses come 2010...

Then again, you'd think that 0bama being mentored by people who truly hate this country would've been off-putting to the general voting public...

141 Buster Bunny  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:51:24am

re: #140 Fenway_Nation

You'd think that in and of itself would be enough to catapult the GOP to a majority on both houses come 2010...

Then again, you'd think that 0bama being mentored by people who truly hate this country would've been off-putting to the general voting public...

Did you watch TV? He wasnt promoted as a candidate for the presidency of the United States .. he was promoted as super hero, democratic cowboy, and worst of all .. saviour !

There WILL be consequences from this presidency, and none of them nice.

142 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:51:28am

From two threads back.

re: #446 So?

Did they crawl through a tunnel? Too bad it didn't cave in.

/Why doesn't the US just send in a team of engineers and show Hamas how to build super-reinforced tunnels that Israel can't destroy.

Unless you have read every word in the Porkulus and scanned every Executive Order and CFR issuance and seen notice released at 4:15 PM on a Friday by placing a badly xeroxed copy in a staff cafeteria bulletin board do not assume that any plan no matter how outrageous is not in the works. They are playing rope-a-dope. Meeting with the Durban planners then announcing they are not attending the meeting and then brining Freeman onto the team. They are relentless and incremental.

143 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:54:15am

re: #139 Spare O'Lake

How dry I am,
How wet I'll be,
If I can't find,
The bathroom key.

Morning Fenway Nation, how about those Bruins? :D

Even when we lose in the most anti-climactic manner possible, we still come out with a point continue to gain ground...

144 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:55:58am

re: #135 Buster Bunny

Thanks to O .. I'm learning to drink again.

I have Kahlua in my coffee,
Tia Maria in my tea,
A little Bailey's on my bacon,
O that's good enough for me.

145 Buster Bunny  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:57:46am

re: #142 lifeofthemind

These guys specialise in what would be called in any other profession, the language of BS diplomacy. Its not just a matter of writing a lie and selling it to the public .. thats 20th century stuff. For a 21st century lie to be sold to the public the foundations for the lie must be laid beforehand to make it that extra bit more convincing. Durban II was accepted and withdrawn from so for the NEXT time they head to a similar affair .. it will look like they have had a change of mind AND that things are now better (which they wont be because nothing will have changed). Its the same thing they did with Arafat. Gave him a pseudo legitimacy by rephrasing his cause.

146 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:58:23am

re: #141 Buster Bunny

Did you watch TV? He wasnt promoted as a candidate for the presidency of the United States .. he was promoted as super hero, democratic cowboy, and worst of all .. saviour !

Cowboys are bad, mmm'kay?

Well, 0bama's done a bang-up job of saving my parent's 401(K) from all those nasty extra digits.

Truth be told, this is probably one of the best time to bargain hunt- I didn't even own any stocks until this month. However, as much as I like a good bargain, I'd rather it not be at the expense of everyone else's savings or retirement accounts...

147 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:03:54am

Haha this is a great LolCeleb. Even tho I have no clue who they are.

148 Buster Bunny  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:04:00am

re: #146 Fenway_Nation

Fenway .. cowboys arent bad .. conservatives arent bad .. entrepreneurs arent bad .. CEOs who work 18-20 hour days and do their tasking to keep companies working .. they arent bad.

People who lie to demonise honest hardworking people are bad, people who RUIN equitable and fair systems of commercial transaction on the basis of FAIRNESS are bad, people who parade themselves as fashion icons while the Empire burns .. are bad people.

149 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:07:13am

re: #146 Fenway_Nation

Cowboys are bad, mmm'kay?

Well, 0bama's done a bang-up job of saving my parent's 401(K) from all those nasty extra digits.

Truth be told, this is probably one of the best time to bargain hunt- I didn't even own any stocks until this month. However, as much as I like a good bargain, I'd rather it not be at the expense of everyone else's savings or retirement accounts...

The bargains are out there alright, but many can't get the credit to buy'em...which is why the bargains are out there.
In other words WE IS ROYALLY FUCKED.

150 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:08:50am

Some interesting infos here.

151 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:10:30am

Jeez...

Rush kicked ass yesterday.

152 Buster Bunny  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:13:20am

re: #151 TheMatrix31

Jeez...

Rush kicked ass yesterday.

Matrix .. i have the perfect icon image for you .. right here

Enjoy

153 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:14:38am

re: #151 TheMatrix31


I caught some of that on CNN...couldn't stick around to see the constipated look on the faces of the studio talking heads afterwards...

154 TheMatrix31  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:19:01am

re: #152 Buster Bunny

Matrix .. i have the perfect icon image for you .. right here

Enjoy

Heh, thanks! But my username isn't about the movie, it's my favorite basketball player's nickname and jersey number...Shawn Marion.

155 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:19:52am

Morning Lizards!

156 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:20:35am

re: #155 rightside
Morning RS

157 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:22:18am

re: #156 Rustler

Heynow! love that avatar!

158 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:23:51am

Quick question- a gold-backed ETF is going to Debut on Dubai's stock exchange this upcoming week. Do any lizards who trade in the markets or commodities know how- or if- this will affect the price of gold?

I thought for sure the nationalization news regarding Citibank and worse-than-anticipated GDP numbers would push gold back to the $1000 an ounce range, but it actually dropped to around $940 to close out the week.

159 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:24:54am

re: #157 rightside Thanks that is my Sea kitteh fluffy he eats 3 Peta members a day.

160 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:24:55am

re: #158 Fenway_Nation

You're speaking iron sulfide to me.

161 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:26:37am

re: #159 Rustler

That's abusive, cruel and unusual...

/to fluffy- god knows where the PETA people have been

162 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:26:53am

re: #159 Rustler

train him to eat more, lol!

163 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:27:48am

re: #161 Fenway_Nation But he stalks and eats them on his own. I've tryed telling him it's a dirty habit that will get him sick.

164 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:28:04am

re: #160 rightside

I think that Dubai exchange-traded fund for gold debuts Monday- and since they're several hours ahead, I figure I should get in the question before the markets open over there...

165 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:28:42am

re: #162 rightside
I see you have never tryed cleaning up leftover PETA in the Aquarium :P.

166 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:29:34am

Well...put myself to sleep with all this talk of the markets in Dubai, gold ETFs and the shrinking GDP.

'night, lizards and sea-kitties.

167 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:30:12am

re: #165 Rustler

You need to turn him into a landkitteh...you know, evolution!

168 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:30:28am

re: #166 Fenway_Nation

sleep well

169 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:33:48am

re: #167 rightside The whole evolving to a land creature tho will make him much smaller and less capable of continuing his membership in PETA.(Pet's Eatting Troublesome Activists)

170 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:37:11am

re: #169 Rustler

Well, then he would have to graduate from dining on sea sheperds and move on...

171 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:53:23am

re: #132 Rustler

Morning all testing new Avatar how's everyone doing?


LOL the new avatar!

172 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:55:24am

I don't know if anyone has pointed it out, but the title of Auden's poem refers to the day World War II erupted. But that's not nearly all it's about. A couple of crucial lines from the rest of the stanzas:

Accurate scholarship can
Unearth the whole offence
From Luther until now
That has driven a culture mad,
Find what occurred at Linz,
What huge imago made
A psychopathic god:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.

Into this neutral air
Where blind skyscrapers use
Their full height to proclaim
The strength of Collective Man
,
Each language pours its vain
Competitive excuse:
But who can live for long
In an euphoric dream;
Out of the mirror they stare,
Imperialism's face
And the international wrong.

Faces along the bar
Cling to their average day:
The lights must never go out,
The music must always play,

All the conventions conspire
To make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we are,
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
Who have never been happy or good.

The windiest militant trash
Important Persons shout
Is not so crude as our wish
:
What mad Nijinsky wrote
About Diaghilev
Is true of the normal heart;
For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.

From the conservative dark
Into the ethical life
The dense commuters come,
Repeating their morning vow;
'I will be true to the wife,
I'll concentrate more on my work,'
And helpless governors wake
To resume their compulsory game
:
Who can release them now,
Who can reach the dead,
Who can speak for the dumb?

All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die.

Defenseless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

Auden speaks of us, not some undefined "they".

And so far this has indeed been a low dishonest decade; it remains to be seen how it will finish. But every decade I've lived in (six and counting) has been low and dishonest in its own way, without exception. It's called la condition humaine.

Just as an aside, I find it a pity that the only poem by Yeats that most people are readily able to cite is "The Second Coming"; it's like popping out with to be or not to be every time someone mumbles Shakespeare's name.

173 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:57:58am

Apology coming in 5...4...3...

Iran Demands Hollywood Apology for Lies and Insults

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) — Hollywood should apologize to Iran for “insults and accusations against the Iranian nation,” a top aide to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a visiting Hollywood delegation Sunday.

Oscar-nominated “American Beauty” star Annette Bening was among the members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences to hear the remarks, Iran’s state-run ISNA news agency said.

“Representatives of Iran’s film industry should only have an official meeting with representatives of the Academy and Hollywood if they apologize for the insults and accusations against the Iranian nation during the past 30 years,” said Javad Shamghadri, Ahmadinejad’s advisor on the arts, ISNA reported.

He singled out the 1991 Sally Field thriller “Not Without My Daughter,” about an American woman who marries an Iranian and then tries to flee Iran with their child, and the comic-book-inspired action flick “300″ as “two clear examples of total lies.”

– CNN’s Reza Sayah contributed to this report.

174 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:02:23am

re: #173 monkeytime

Why didn't the reporters get comments from the Hollywood folks?

175 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:04:18am

re: #174 MandyManners

Why didn't the reporters get comments from the Hollywood folks?

They were probaby busy writing their apologies.
no sarc tag.

176 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:05:55am

Good morning, all.

177 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:08:01am

re: #172 Cato the Elder

Just as an aside, I find it a pity that the only poem by Yeats that most people are readily able to cite is "The Second Coming";...

Not everyone.

An Irish Airman Forsees His Death

I KNOW that I shall meet my fate
omewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate,
Those that I guard I do not love;
My country is Kiltartan Cross,
My countrymen Kiltartan's poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public men, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tummult in the clouds;
I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind
In balance with this life, this death.

178 right_wing2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:08:42am

re: #173 monkeytime

Iran can f-ck itself for all I care.

Someone put a book called 'Reel Arabs' a number of years ago, complaining about every negative portrayal of an Arab, no matter how slight that 'negative' might have been, and no matter how slight a truth about even one 'real' Arab it might have been. Any portrayal of ANY Arab as a terrorist, for example, was whined about.

179 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:08:43am

re: #176 Chicago Blonde

Happy March Day!

180 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:09:05am

re: #175 monkeytime

They were probaby busy writing their apologies.
no sarc tag.

I'd like to know who was in the delegation. Does the meeting's being held one week after the Oscars have any significance?

181 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:09:18am

I can't stand bill maher. UGGGH!

182 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:07am

re: #179 Sharmuta

Happy March Day!


Thanks, you too. I can't wait to kick winter out the door...

183 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:18am

Seriously, didn't they do some ground work before they went over there like big peacemaking wonders? Were they going to show us how Hollywood can solve our problems and WTF makes them experts at diplomacy? When did the American people decide that we wanted hollywood actors as diplomats to one of the most strained relationships we are dealing with. Typical arrogant "I play one so I am one" bullshit. I hope they get their nose wiped in it bigtime!

184 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:37am

A minister decided that a visual demonstration would add emphasis to his Sunday sermon.
Four worms were placed into four separate jars.
The first worm was put into a container of alcohol.
The second worm was put into a container of cigarette smoke.
The third worm was put into a container of chocolate syrup.
The fourth worm was put into a container of good clean soil.
At the conclusion of the sermon, the Minister reported the following results:
The first worm in alcohol - Dead
The second worm in cigarette smoke - Dead
Third worm in chocolate syrup - Dead
Fourth worm in good clean soil - Alive.
So the Minister asked the congregation -What did you learn from this demonstration?
Maxine was sitting in the back, quickly raised her hand and said,
'As long as you drink, smoke and eat chocolate, you won't have worms!'
That pretty much ended the service

185 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:11:33am

re: #181 rightside

I can't stand bill maher. UGGGH!

Morning Rightside. He drives me nuts and thankfully Mr. Blonde isn't a fan. Too bad he thinks The Daily Show is funny at times. :(

186 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:12:24am

re: #183 monkeytime

Seriously, didn't they do some ground work before they went over there like big peacemaking wonders? Were they going to show us how Hollywood can solve our problems and WTF makes them experts at diplomacy? When did the American people decide that we wanted hollywood actors as diplomats to one of the most strained relationships we are dealing with. Typical arrogant "I play one so I am one" bullshit. I hope they get their nose wiped in it bigtime!

Will it help CBBHO ramp up his diplomacy with ShortShit?

187 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:13:05am
188 abaleh  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:14:27am

Is there any psychological analysis about the Muslim World's constant need for apologies?

189 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:14:41am

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

Mornin', lizards! Am I still supposed to be giving 0bama a chance?

I'm hoping he spends the next 3½ years on vacation.

190 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:15:37am

re: #186 MandyManners

Will it help CBBHO ramp up his diplomacy with ShortShit?

I guess it depends on how good the apologies they all give are. I think they start every sentence with "We demand an apology for...". I have never seen such thin skinned people.

191 SurferDoc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:15:42am

Iran can kiss my Hollywood ass.

Good morning, Lizards!

192 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:16:26am

re: #187 monkeytime

Hi Monkeytime.
Have you ever noticed moonbats just sort of have a look to them, even without "peace scarves" etc? THAT is something I'm still trying to figure out. :)

193 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:17:57am

re: #191 SurferDoc

Iran can kiss my Hollywood ass.

Good morning, Lizards!

Good morning and Damn Right. I would have pelted my kids if they had cried and whined that much.
SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP!

194 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:19:03am

re: #192 Chicago Blonde It's gotta be that vacant stare that eminates from there nearly lifeless eyes. Well except when they get to start their fearmongering and complaining then life appears in their eyes.

195 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:19:37am

re: #185 Chicago Blonde

Good morning CB. I think maher recently said something about "offing" rich people a couple at a time. I'll leave it to your imagination who I would choose...

196 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:16am

Morning all!

Back on the road to Chicago today (this time to see grandma).

How is everyone?

197 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:18am

re: #195 rightside He realises he's rich and anyone advocating such should be at the top of the list.

198 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:28am

re: #192 Chicago Blonde

Hi Monkeytime.
Have you ever noticed moonbats just sort of have a look to them, even without "peace scarves" etc? THAT is something I'm still trying to figure out. :)

I just kind of figured that the look is a combo of anger, bitterness, self righteousness, and eyeballing every other liberal to make sure that they are wearing the same bracletes and such so they are spouting the cause of the moment and not last weeks cause.

199 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:21:08am

re: #188 abaleh

Is there any psychological analysis about the Muslim World's constant need for apologies?

I will apologize to them when they apologize for the Munich Olympic village, the bombing of the Beirut embassy, the high jacking of the cruise ship, the Lockerbie bombing, the attack on the U.S.S Cole . . .

200 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:21:49am

re: #198 monkeytime

I just kind of figured that the look is a combo of anger, bitterness, self righteousness, and eyeballing every other liberal to make sure that they are wearing the same bracletes and such so they are spouting the cause of the moment and not last weeks cause.

Great description of my moonbat sisters-in-law. Upding.

201 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:22:25am

re: #194 Rustler


Good morning Rustler! Love the sea kitteh!
You know, I think you're right - the eyes and a general look of...dippiness. I don't know how else to put my finger on it. They do get fired up in their self-righteous snits though, don't they?

202 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:23:20am

They've pushed ahead with anti-evolution legislation in Florida.

Senate Bill 2396 (PDF), filed on February 27, 2009, would, if enacted, amend a section of Florida law to require "[a] thorough presentation and critical analysis of the scientific theory of evolution." The bill is sponsored by Stephen R. Wise (R-District 5), who was in the news earlier in February when he announced his intention to introduce a bill requiring "intelligent design" to be taught in Florida's public schools. "If you're going to teach evolution, then you have to teach the other side so you can have critical thinking," he told the Jacksonville Times-Union (February 8, 2009). Wise acknowledged that his bill was likely to invite a legal challenge, but contended, "Someplace along the line you've got to be able to make a value judgment of what it is you think is the appropriate thing." Evidently he changed his mind about how to accomplish his goal, since "intelligent design" is not mentioned in the bill.

PDF of the bill

203 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:23:42am

re: #195 rightside

I don't listen to Maher (not a masochist) so I missed that.

What an idiot.

204 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:23:44am

re: #188 abaleh

Is there any psychological analysis about the Muslim World's constant need for apologies?

It's a matter of pack power politics.

The alpha doesn't apologize to the pack, ever, so if they have us apologizing, then they think they are the alpha.

"Don't apologize, it's a sign of weakness"
-- John Wayne

205 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:23:44am

re: #192 Chicago Blonde

Hi Monkeytime.
Have you ever noticed moonbats just sort of have a look to them, even without "peace scarves" etc? THAT is something I'm still trying to figure out. :)

Theres a chapter in Laura Ingrahams book "Shut Up And Sing" about how/where "stars" get their thought process from. I won;'t be able to do it justice here, but basically she theorizes because many of them had crappy paying jobs while they "worked on the craft" they would live 8-9 people in an apartment meant for 2 people in order to share expenses. This gave them their COMMUNE(ist) ideology. Also their contempt for those that could afford better at that time. They really think that they 'struggled' until they made it big

206 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:23:56am

re: #187 monkeytime

Hollywood idiots go to Iran

Leslie Unger, Annette Benning and Sid Ganis. Is that all? I've found no list.

207 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:24:28am

re: #196 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning all!

Back on the road to Chicago today (this time to see grandma).

How is everyone?

Over the meadow and through the woods to Grandmothers house we go ,,,

208 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:24:47am

re: #188 abaleh

Is there any psychological analysis about the Muslim World's constant need for apologies?

A serious case of Spayshul Flakism.

209 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:25:01am

re: #194 Rustler

That guy is the height of arrogance and hypocrisy! Karma is a bitch!

210 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:25:59am

re: #200 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Great description of my moonbat sisters-in-law.

Good morning Vet! Sorry you have moonbat SILs. :( Do you grit your teeth at holidays, self-medicate with brandy, or are you a snot like me and casually say stuff to get under their skin when they start? :)

211 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:26:28am

re: #205 sattv4u2

Theres a chapter in Laura Ingrahams book "Shut Up And Sing" about how/where "stars" get their thought process from. I won;'t be able to do it justice here, but basically she theorizes because many of them had crappy paying jobs while they "worked on the craft" they would live 8-9 people in an apartment meant for 2 people in order to share expenses. This gave them their COMMUNE(ist) ideology. Also their contempt for those that could afford better at that time. They really think that they 'struggled' until they made it big

Yeah, and none of the rest of us "struggled" when getting started. When I started my little company, I could afford to pay myself $100 a month... I was motivated to grow out of that as fast as I possibly could.

Jackasses.

212 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:26:41am

BBIAB - refilling coffee.

213 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:26:42am

re: #209 rightside
Supposed to be replying to my 197 about Maher? Not my 194 about lifeless Moonbat eyes?

214 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:26:43am

re: #190 monkeytime

I guess it depends on how good the apologies they all give are. I think they start every sentence with "We demand an apology for...". I have never seen such thin skinned people.

What if they don't apologize?

BTW, if you've ever dealt with domestic violence, you'd notice that many abusers have incredibly thin skin and are preoccupied by what they see as their victimhood.

215 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:26:52am

re: #203 Chicago Blonde

I don't watch him, or anyone else for that matter. I did read about it here.

216 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:27:02am

re: #205 sattv4u2

Also explains that whole old school "sell out" concept of bands that make it big when they signed on to one of the big music labels.

217 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:27:38am

re: #207 sattv4u2

Over the meadow and through the woods to Grandmothers house we go ,,,

Exactly. Except she lives in the frozen suburbs, not a bucolic gradma house in the forest.

218 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:28:40am

I'll apologize to iran- just as soon as they apologize about our Embassy.

219 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:30:10am

re: #217 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Exactly. Except she lives in the frozen suburbs, not a bucolic gradma house in the forest.

Regardless, have a great visit. When my fathers mother was still with us, we would vistit her. I always walked out with a new crisp dollar in my pocket

(NOTE ,,, at the time I was in my mid 20's ,,,! )

220 right_wing2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:30:23am

Need coffee, fruitcup and a danish.

221 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:31:28am

re: #218 Sharmuta Lol I'll wait til they stop demanding apologies for justified actions. 300 tho not entirely accurate historically probably does a better job portraying history than many of the other films made in hte last 10-15 years. I wonder if the Iranians get this Irrate over the movie "The 300 Spartans."

222 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:31:29am

re: #210 Chicago Blonde

Good morning Vet! Sorry you have moonbat SILs. :( Do you grit your teeth at holidays, self-medicate with brandy, or are you a snot like me and casually say stuff to get under their skin when they start? :)

Rule 1: I never mention politics.

Rule 2: I never mention politics.

Rule 3: See rule 1.

It's not worth it, it really isn't. One is an old school lesbian (living with her WW2 era "partner" who thinks the New Deal is God's work on earth and even though born in 1936 thinks she knows everything about the depression as she "lived it").

The other is a bitter washed up actress living in NYC working as a secretary at a school and hates every minute of it.

223 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:31:32am

re: #215 rightside

Thank you for the link. Can you imagine the whining if Rush had said that?

224 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:32:17am

re: #219 sattv4u2

Regardless, have a great visit. When my fathers mother was still with us, we would vistit her. I always walked out with a new crisp dollar in my pocket

(NOTE ,,, at the time I was in my mid 20's ,,,! )

Yeah, they have a way of doing that... I'm almost 48 and she still treats me like I'm 12.

225 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:33:11am

RE: Irans demand for an apology to the visiting "stars".

Expect a spring movie depicted a "Heroic Iranian" saving the world from some disaster a la James Bond

226 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:33:33am

re: #222 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

*offers coffee*
That has to be rough.

227 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:33:58am

re: #218 Sharmuta

Did you read "Guests of the Ayatollah"?

228 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:34:50am

Remember that Jewish American who went missing in the last year or so? IIRC, he was consulting for security for some movie being shot in the southern part of Iran.

229 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:35:29am

Why Hair Goes Gray

Scientists may have figured out why hair turns gray, and their finding may open the door to new anti-graying strategies.

New research shows that hair turns gray as a result of a chemical chain reaction that causes hair to bleach itself from the inside out.

230 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:35:50am

re: #227 Chicago Blonde

Did you read "Guests of the Ayatollah"?

Yes.

231 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:37:06am

My favorite quote out of the Old 1962 300 spartans.

Samos: Who can understand the way of the gods? They create lovely girls and then turn them into wives.
232 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:37:57am

re: #223 Chicago Blonde

Hell, they excoriated him for hoping cbbho's policies fail, and are still playing that meme. The drive bys would have organized a boycott of all advertisers on his show. Advocacy journalism. This is how bad they have gotten. Now ClintonNewsNetwork is doing stories on how WAB's arms are toned.

233 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:39:35am

re: #230 Sharmuta

It was hard to read for me; I had to take frequent hug-Mr.-Blonde and pet-the-kitty breaks to get through it. I almost died when I read that the one really obnoxious female hostage-taker opened a resort and couldn't understand why we wouldn't visit.

/I know people are that stupid but reading it puts it in a whole new light...

234 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:39:52am

re: #231 Rustler

My wife and I were happy for 20 years...then we met! click me

235 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:39:54am

re: #226 Chicago Blonde

*offers coffee*
That has to be rough.

I have the scars to prove it. :-)

Just listening though, is an amazing experience. Great reinforcement of self-discipline and control.

For example, the older "partner" is a doctor (the sis-i-law is a nurse), they both hate HMOs because they make decisions that they don't agree with on what treatment is worth it and so on.

But are just in love with the government doing that job (because health care is a right, damnit!).

They can't grasp the concept that the federal government would be making decisions they don't agree with _and_ has a red tape system that will put any private business to shame.

"But they'll care about us."

Yeah, right... just like the DMV.

236 freetoken  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:40:43am

re: #172 Cato the Elder

Thanks for the stanzas... and the thoughts about the human condition, which doesn't seem to change very much per century.

237 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:40:53am

re: #232 rightside

Don't forget teh ticker at the bottom still reads Rush try's to justify comments. Or has that finally dropped off was on there about 20 minutes straight earlier as I was prepping lobby for breakfast.

238 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:41:06am

re: #221 Rustler

Lol I'll wait til they stop demanding apologies for justified actions. 300 tho not entirely accurate historically probably does a better job portraying history than many of the other films made in hte last 10-15 years. I wonder if the Iranians get this Irrate over the movie "The 300 Spartans."

Well- my apology is conditionally based on something I know they won't apologize for. It's my polite way of telling them to GFT.

239 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:42:02am

re: #232 rightside

I know that nothing positive the ConservativesRepublicans do will be reported; nor anything negative appear about The One. I email links to all my friends and family of the things that the MSM ignores.

240 notutopia  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:42:18am

"We must love one another or die."

--W. H. Auden, September 1, 1939


Philosophy of W.H.Auden
[Link: www.johnharle.com...]

241 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:42:27am

re: #237 Rustler
NM looks like its shifting now at least.

242 freetoken  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:43:29am

re: #240 notutopia

See post #172 upstream.

243 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:43:55am

Hehe probably the most insulting quote to Iran in the olden movie tho would be from this Conversation.

Agathon the Spartan Spy: Leonidas! The barbarians have sent an emissary to talk with you. It is Hydarnes himself.
Leonidas, Spartan King: Hydarnes? Good, get me a clean cloak.
Agathon the Spartan Spy: How many men do you want for an escort?
Leonidas, Spartan King: [Scornfully] When has a Spartan king needed an escort to talk to a mere Persian?
244 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:44:13am

re: #233 Chicago Blonde

It was hard to read for me; I had to take frequent hug-Mr.-Blonde and pet-the-kitty breaks to get through it. I almost died when I read that the one really obnoxious female hostage-taker opened a resort and couldn't understand why we wouldn't visit.

/I know people are that stupid but reading it puts it in a whole new light...

I took breaks too Just think... our new president wants to have a chat with those lovely people... I think I'll spike my coffee now.

245 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:45:00am

The president of the AMPAS, Sid Ganis, is a Jew so, what was he doing in Tehran? I thought ShortShit forbade entry to Jews.

246 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:45:04am

re: #239 Chicago Blonde

Good for you, but isn't that like preaching to the choir? I don't even bother associating with libs.

247 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:45:36am

re: #235 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ah, so you sort of pretend to be an anthropologist, learning how their clan thinks (while quietly gritting your teeth).

I still can't figure out people thinking the government cares or that the feds would provide good healthcare.

248 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:45:45am

re: #245 MandyManners

Like gays, there are no Jews in Iran.

249 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:45:53am
Leonidas, Spartan King: The council must act quickly
Xenathon, Spartan Isolationist: Why?
Leonidas, Spartan King: In order that we Spartans may reach the first line of defense in time.
Xenathon, Spartan Isolationist: And where might that be?
Leonidas, Spartan King: The Pass of Thermopylae.
Xenathon, Spartan Isolationist: Thermopylae, of course. That's the pass that protects Athens.
Leonidas, Spartan King: No! It's the pass that protects GREECE! Mere cities don't matter now. It is Greece that counts! Only by being united can we hope to avoid slavery. Now, I am no politician, but I will plead this cause with you until the moon wanes and the night brings forth a new day!

See they even had problems with nationalist libtards back then too.

250 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:46:07am

Hollywood team in Iran on cultural exchange


[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

251 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:46:14am

re: #248 rightside

Like gays, there are no Jews in Iran.

He was there.

252 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:50:59am

re: #246 rightside

Not really - my friends are IndysRepubs that are either:

1) Lizards in training that haven't heard whatever I sent because the MSM ignores it, or
2) Full-blown Lizard types stuck with Lib cow-orkers that want ammmo.

I try not to send it to anyone that wouldn't want it. When I'm stuck talking to a Lib it's at a party I'll hold my own though.

253 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:51:25am

Lizard Prayer List 3/1/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates

Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Community issues:

Blessing and protection over all of us during these times.
Blessing on the POTUS and his cabinet for their safety, protection, and that they be given wisdom and discernment in their decisions concerning their governance.
Our troops
Israel
Australia fighting wild fires
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

Thanksgivings
knitwit: mother’s peaceful passing after long illness
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
BaseballMom57: husband recovering at home
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans

Health issues:
doppelganglander: sister battling breast cancer but not doing so well.
Macker: health issues and treatment
bbuddha: mother-in-law not eating or drinking
Hoppes: has sick children, lost her MIL, and is very stressed
Kenneth: mom diagnosed with cancer and has been told she has a matter of weeks left.
UberInfidel67: brothers health after polyps removal
Aussiemagpie: children with health issues
Walter Cronanty: son with recurrence of leukemia & recovering from bone marrow transplant.
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
Dublin(CA)Dude – extensive cancer
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Yochanan: d-i-l (ronite bas golda) undergoing surgery.
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
Typicalwhitey: father’s undergoing tests for pancreatic cancer
MNsnowlizard: Had open heart surgery in February (35 years old) and could be facing another one
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
mikeymom: sister suffered a stroke
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
loppyd: step-father back in the hospital
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
/cont’d

254 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:51:41am

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
US Beast: passing of mother
Lizards in need of particular career opportunities.
Vxbush: two Lizard friends dealing with big issues
Army Green since '92: post has lost three soldiers in Afghanistan; friends deploying there next week.
yma o hyd: ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
laZardo: strength of purpose
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom home from the hospital but may be regressing
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
neocon hippie: grieving for big black kitty, Ripple
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: previous foster daughters going back with families; new 5-week-old foster daughter.
Pvt Bin Jammin: best friend’s passing
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: strength for kids and her dealing with EH.
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

255 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:52:54am

re: #252 Chicago Blonde

Indys OR Repubs

*sorry*

256 ayatollah ghilmeini  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:53:24am

Quotes for today:

From Telegraph

"He is an intelligent man, an independent thinker who has done the math on the Holocaust, but was naive and did not realise the danger of talking to the press."

Last week Mr Irving sent Mr Williamson a long email, via an intermediary, advising him on what he should and should not say to the media.

In the email, which has been passed to The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Irving advises "His Excellency" to accept that there were "organised mass killings from the spring of 1942 to October 1943 at Himmler's three sites on the Bug River - Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec."

Bishop Williamson seems to only be able to find shelter in the most nebulous places and he is not getting good advice. He just got pimp slapped by the Pope (bless him!) and worse yet is coming his way. Like a bad puppy that defecated on the rug, the church is taking this wayward dog and shoving his nose in his mess. His advisor? David Irving the "historian" (how can he be that when he lies about the past, note his attempt to deflect blame from Hitler in the quote above, as if Himmler the chicken farmer had the authority on his own to appropriate millions of people and use Reich resources in wartime for a private vendetta against the Jews)! As if the Einsatzgruppen did not gun down the inhabitants of 5000 villages and more in the Ukraine and Russia as if the birth records for 80% of the Netherland's pre-war Jews no longer corresponded to anyone on earth after 1945.

Enjoy the smell of your mess, Bishop Williamson, I hope the fury drives you to that most uncatholic of acts, suicide. You will be excommunicated or recant. Either way, you will break.

In even more appalling news, let's talk about al Qaeda, imagine courage it must have taken to order some goon to shoot a defenseless woman in Mumabi- "shoot her!" What a brave Jihad warrior! What a man! What a powerful Muslim hero you are for saying that. I could crush bugs in my garden and be as brave. You claim you love Allah, yet you sent a men to murder others and ordered a man a man to destroy one of Allah's creations and never did you once consider that your own Koran calls the destruction of a single life equal to destroying the world. "Shoot her." no mercy, just death. For all you knew she could have been thinking of converting to Islam (although why anyone would want anything to do with a faith whose greatest proponents order defenseless women to be killed and a faith whose followers were universally silent at the outrage committed in the name of the Allah they claim they worship). So you made yourself a little Allah, and without seeing her, judged her and sentenced her to death. With the exception of Liberia, Central Africa and Haiti (which had the misfortune of being ruled briefly by the French and) what do the worst places to live on this earth have in common? That's right Afghanistan, Sudan, Bangladesh, Somalia, Pakistan, Gaza, Yemen and Southern Egypt are all governed by Extreme Sharia Law (which we will now and evermore refer to ESL).

There is so little worth doing in lands of ESL you might as well put together some other useless idiots and tell them it is their religious DUTY to murder some neighbors. Just pick up the phone and say "Shoot her." Failure builds on failure with hatred and ignorance as its mortar.

And where am I going with my comment about the Bishop and those who say "Shoot her?" Why, where it was always going to go. We must look at these events as linked not by the thread of their common anti-semites, but of the larger cord of intertwined ignorance and hatred that are, and always will be, the greatest threat to mankind and the ultimate enemies which we must defeat to build a better world.

257 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:54:44am

re: #250 Dustyvet

Hollywood team in Iran on cultural exchange


[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Frank Pierson? He directed Conspiracy, a film about the Wannsee Conference. Why would Iran invite him?

258 formercorpsman  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:55:15am

re: #248 rightside

Actually, IIRC, the retort was "they don't have that problem in Iran"

Insidious.

259 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:56:14am

re: #247 Chicago Blonde

Ah, so you sort of pretend to be an anthropologist, learning how their clan thinks (while quietly gritting your teeth).

I still can't figure out people thinking the government cares or that the feds would provide good healthcare.

Yes. ;-)

Argument is impossible... all you can manage is get a bunch of "that's just selflish" emotions and so on.

I was once taken to their local health food co-op (nifty store actually, had a lot of neat stuff). It had all kinds of pro-commie signs about how everyone can become an owner and all that.

Walking out, I made an off-hand snark about that (oops) and sis-in-law stopped dead in her tracks and announced" "Yeah, but in regular companies the people at the top make a hell of a lot more than the people at the botton". (She was under the impression all those signs meant that any profit the company makes is split evenly among the "owners".

I looked up the store and its "ownership" plan on-line when I got home.

Once you become an "owner" at the end of the year you get some absurd percentage of the profit which is divided up among the owners based on their portion of the purchases they made at the store is of the total sales.

At BestBuy they call that a "rebate", but they are not holier than thou communists.

It was absurd, I did the math, the "rebate" was tiny.

260 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:56:55am

re: #252 Chicago Blonde

Coming from Chitown, I am sure you can hold your own!

261 notutopia  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:56:55am

Were the Americans who seized on Auden's 1939 poem careless readers? Or were they right to find there personal and even historical truths about the nation's trauma that transcended any of the poem's debatable lines? Poetry demands both rigor of intellect and generosity of spirit. So, it seems, do perilous times.

re: #240 notutopia

"We must love one another or die."

--W. H. Auden, September 1, 1939

Philosophy of W.H.Auden
[Link: www.johnharle.com...]

*snip*...Would The New Republic, which first published Auden's poem in October 1939, today cite it in the "Idiocy Watch," the feature where the editors skewer what they consider egregiously softheaded responses to the war against terrorism?

This mini-controversy may say something about the post-September moral, intellectual and political climate. There is a new demand that ideas and language, especially about war and peace but also about religion and moral obligation, be precise and explicit. A pronouncement like "Those to whom evil is done/Do evil in return" might once have earned a passing nod; now it is put under pressure: Is it true? How true? Exactly what is it suggesting in the present circumstances?

In many respects, this heightened scrutiny is healthy. It wrings out sentimentality. It questions conventional wisdom, well-meaning phrases and opinions certified to generate applause.

But that greater scrutiny can also be dangerous and stultifying. It can be applied selectively. It can filter out valuable insights that unfortunately come crusted with clichés or inflated with exaggerations. It can dismiss intuitions that fly beneath the radar of clear and distinct propositions, even perhaps on the wings of a poem's multivalent images.

262 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:58:14am

re: #256 ayatollah ghilmeini

Bishop Williamson seems to only be able to find shelter in the most nebulous places and he is not getting good advice. He just got pimp slapped by the Pope (bless him!) and worse yet is coming his way. Like a bad puppy that defecated on the rug, the church is taking this wayward dog and shoving his nose in his mess. His advisor? David Irving the "historian" (how can he be that when he lies about the past, note his attempt to deflect blame from Hitler in the quote above, as if Himmler the chicken farmer had the authority on his own to appropriate millions of people and use Reich resources in wartime for a private vendetta against the Jews)! As if the Einsatzgruppen did not gun down the inhabitants of 5000 villages and more in the Ukraine and Russia as if the birth records for 80% of the Netherland's pre-war Jews no longer corresponded to anyone on earth after 1945.

Irving and Williamson: a match made in Hell.

263 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:58:30am

re: #259 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You are a patient, patient man. :)

264 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:58:41am

Not made in going to :P.

re: #262 MandyManners

265 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:00:28am

re: #260 rightside

I do my best. Thanks to you guys I was able to tell a friend at a party last night about Cloward-Piven. (He is a non-moonbat that hadn't heard about that little tidbit.)

266 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:00:31am

re: #259 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I love my best buy Memeber rebates. Think I got 50 bucks from them last year mostly because i picked up my laptop from them but the gift certificate rebates are nice since you don't need to wait til the end of the year.

267 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:00:42am

re: #256 ayatollah ghilmeini

Bishop Williamson seems to only be able to find shelter in the most nebulous places and he is not getting good advice. He just got pimp slapped by the Pope (bless him!) and worse yet is coming his way. Like a bad puppy that defecated on the rug, the church is taking this wayward dog and shoving his nose in his mess. His advisor? David Irving the "historian" (how can he be that when he lies about the past, note his attempt to deflect blame from Hitler in the quote above, as if Himmler the chicken farmer had the authority on his own to appropriate millions of people and use Reich resources in wartime for a private vendetta against the Jews)! As if the Einsatzgruppen did not gun down the inhabitants of 5000 villages and more in the Ukraine and Russia as if the birth records for 80% of the Netherland's pre-war Jews no longer corresponded to anyone on earth after 1945.

For anyone who wants to know more about David Irving

268 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:01:23am

re: #263 Chicago Blonde

You are a patient, patient man. :)

Not really... but it does help when it's funny.

That and I had to deal with my in-laws for years before they died. Serious pre-Moonbat libs dating to the 30's.

269 Rustler  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:03:41am

Later all relief here so I can go home.

270 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:04:37am

re: #268 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
That and I had to deal with my in-laws for years before they died. Serious pre-Moonbat libs dating to the 30's.

My MIL just made me lasagna.
*realizing how lucky she is*

271 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:05:04am

I was looking around a little and found this story from Sweden:

A Svensson in the palace? Pass the smelling salts

The engagement of Crown Princess Victoria and Daniel Westling has underlined, rather surprisingly, that Sweden is still a society that divides along class lines.

A royal wedding is the perfect chance, you would think, for royalists to drag out the bunting and warm up for a bit of patriotic ceremonial. But the idea of the princess marrying a middle-class gym owner from northern Sweden has had both über-conservative royalists and metropolitan liberals reaching for the smelling salts.

Dick Erixon, a leading centre-right commentator, argued on his blog that "for a Svensson family to sit on the throne breaks the principles of the monarchy." He declared that the princess’s decision to marry a man of the people had put him off the royals.

I found it an interesting insight into the mentality of euro-elites.

272 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:05:07am

re: #267 Sharmuta

For anyone who wants to know more about David Irving

Asghar Bukhari, a founder member of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPAC), which describes itself as Britain’s largest Muslim civil rights group, sent money to Irving and urged Islamic websites to ask visitors to make donations to his fighting fund.

Bukhari contacted the discredited historian, sentenced this year to three years in an Austrian prison for Holocaust denial, after reading his website. He headed his mail to Irving with a quotation attributed to the philosopher John Locke: ‘All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good people to stand idle.’

In one email Bukhari tells Irving: ‘You may feel like you are on your own but rest assured many people are with you in your fight for the Truth.’ Bukhari pledges to make a donation of £60 to Irving’s fighting fund and says that he has asked ‘a few of my colleagues to send some in too’. He also offers to send Irving a book, They Dare to Speak Out, by Paul Findley, a former US Senator, who has attacked his country’s close relationship with Israel. Bukhari says Findley ‘has suffered like you in trying to expose certain falsehoods perpetrated by the Jews’.

Funny thing for me about Irving: long before I had ever heard about LGF, I knew about Irving. LGF really helped flesh him out in my mind.

I wonder what VB and its ilk think about Holocaust deniers.

273 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:05:11am

re: #269 Rustler

Bye Rustler. Have a good one. Don't let the Sea Kittehs bite!

274 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:07:05am

re: #270 Chicago Blonde

That and I had to deal with my in-laws for years before they died. Serious pre-Moonbat libs dating to the 30's.

My MIL just made me lasagna.
*realizing how lucky she is*

Oh, that's the thing that taught me to hold my tongue around them... they _were_ great and generous people. Both extremely well cultured and educated.

They were from another era and worthy of respect. I actually miss them.

275 SurferDoc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:07:26am

Cheney/Cthulu 2012

276 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:08:08am

re: #275 SurferDoc

Cheney/Cthulu 2012

Why settle for a lesser evil?!?

277 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:09:32am

re: #271 Sharmuta

I was looking around a little and found this story from Sweden:

A Svensson in the palace? Pass the smelling salts


I found it an interesting insight into the mentality of euro-elites.

Is it that they WANT to be ruled by those they consider their betters? Do they still believe in the Divine Right of kings?

278 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:09:47am

re: #272 MandyManners

I wonder what VB and its ilk think about Holocaust deniers.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

279 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:10:47am

re: #275 SurferDoc

But what about Cthulu & Nyarlathotep ticket?

280 rightside  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:11:10am

re: #275 SurferDoc

He's the devil!

281 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:11:29am

re: #272 MandyManners

For anyone who wants to know more about David Irving

Asghar Bukhari, a founder member of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPAC), which describes itself as Britain’s largest Muslim civil rights group, sent money to Irving and urged Islamic websites to ask visitors to make donations to his fighting fund.

Bukhari contacted the discredited historian, sentenced this year to three years in an Austrian prison for Holocaust denial, after reading his website. He headed his mail to Irving with a quotation attributed to the philosopher John Locke: ‘All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good people to stand idle.’

In one email Bukhari tells Irving: ‘You may feel like you are on your own but rest assured many people are with you in your fight for the Truth.’ Bukhari pledges to make a donation of £60 to Irving’s fighting fund and says that he has asked ‘a few of my colleagues to send some in too’. He also offers to send Irving a book, They Dare to Speak Out, by Paul Findley, a former US Senator, who has attacked his country’s close relationship with Israel. Bukhari says Findley ‘has suffered like you in trying to expose certain falsehoods perpetrated by the Jews’.

Funny thing for me about Irving: long before I had ever heard about LGF, I knew about Irving. LGF really helped flesh him out in my mind.

I wonder what VB and its ilk think about Holocaust deniers.

282 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:13:16am

re: #278 Sharmuta

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I couldn't find anything about Irving in the OP, only bios of the creeps in the photograph.

283 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:13:27am

re: #281 MandyManners

I learned everything I needed to know about David Irving from his book "Hitler's War".

Hitler was just misunderstood and a tool of his subordinates.

Uh-huh.

284 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:15:07am

re: #274 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

My MIL was no moonbat but 2 of my SILs were somewhat. I could tease my SILs (they sure teased me) but my MIL, I didn't want to go there so I'm thankful.

It sounds like the IL parents respected you too. That's good (but sadly rare in marriages).

285 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:16:18am

re: #283 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I learned everything I needed to know about David Irving from his book "Hitler's War".

Hitler was just misunderstood and a tool of his subordinates.

Uh-huh.

The Fuhrer was just a tool? Now, that's rich. Was Mein Kampf ghost-written?

286 SurferDoc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:16:41am

re: #279 Chicago Blonde

But what about Cthulu & Nyarlathotep ticket?

Bring 'em on! The fouler the better!

287 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:17:07am

re: #285 MandyManners

The Fuhrer was just a tool? Now, that's rich. Was Mein Kampf ghost-written?

Yes, by Bill Ayers. :-)

289 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:18:05am

Damn... time to hit the road to Grandmas.

Later all!

290 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:18:29am

re: #205 sattv4u2

Theres a chapter in Laura Ingrahams book "Shut Up And Sing" about how/where "stars" get their thought process from. I won;'t be able to do it justice here, but basically she theorizes because many of them had crappy paying jobs while they "worked on the craft" they would live 8-9 people in an apartment meant for 2 people in order to share expenses. This gave them their COMMUNE(ist) ideology. Also their contempt for those that could afford better at that time. They really think that they 'struggled' until they made it big

I'm sorry I missed that earlier sattv4u2, thank you. That explains some of it doesn't it?

291 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:18:51am

re: #289 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Have a safe trip!

292 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:19:22am

re: #287 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, by Bill Ayers. :-)

SPEW

293 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:19:56am

re: #286 SurferDoc

*thinking of slogan*
Fear no evil...be it instead!

294 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:22:56am

re: #282 MandyManners

Charles posted some of these pictures too, though I can't remember what article.

Image: 20071106DillenDegrelle1.jpg
Image: 20071106DillenDegrelle2.jpg

It's interesting you can find these images on google being credited to other blogs, but they got them from LGF.

That's Koen Dillen, Karl Dillen's son and Leon Degrelle

295 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:24:29am

re: #294 Sharmuta

Hmmm- they didn't hyperlink.

Pic 1
Pic 2

296 SurferDoc  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:24:49am

re: #293 Chicago Blonde

*thinking of slogan*
Fear no evil...be it instead!

Fear the Evil? Be the Evil!

297 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:25:04am
298 Cathypop  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:25:15am

re: #288 Elcid
Great pictures.

299 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:26:30am

re: #290 Chicago Blonde

I'm sorry I missed that earlier sattv4u2, thank you. That explains some of it doesn't it?

n/p ,, great book, btw.

300 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:26:40am

re: #296 SurferDoc

Fear the Evil? Be the Evil!

Better. Now we need a t-shirt.

301 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:27:28am

re: #294 Sharmuta

Charles posted some of these pictures too, though I can't remember what article.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] 071106DillenDegrelle1.jpg
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] 071106DillenDegrelle2.jpg

It's interesting you can find these images on google being credited to other blogs, but they got them from LGF.

That's Koen Dillen, Karl Dillen's son and Leon Degrelle

Alessandra Mussolini is in like-minded company.

302 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:28:32am

re: #295 Sharmuta

Hmmm- they didn't hyperlink.

Pic 1
Pic 2

I wish such people had horns so that others could figure them out easily.

303 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:28:48am

Good morning y'all - from a cold (34 degrees, going up to 39 degrees) very rainy Charlotte! We are now supposedly gonna get something like FOUR to SEVEN inches of global warming this afternoon, through tonight into tomorrow morning! 4-7 inches is quite a bit of snow even "up North" but for down here it's gonna be real misery - folks (and government and Duke Power) aren't prepared for snow storms like this one. In the 3 years we've been down here, we've had, respectively 2", 0" and 2" of snow each winter and lost our power (and therefore heat, hot water, cooking, Internet and cable TV for some 6 hours or so. GAAAH!
But there's hope; this coming Thursday and Friday we'll have high temps in the mid to upper 60's!

How are you all doing?

304 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:29:07am

re: #302 MandyManners

I wish such people had horns so that others could figure them out easily.

They probably do but just file 'em down before walking among us.

305 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:30:11am

re: #288 Elcid

Another reason to join the Tea Party...Pic is from New York, this site indicates

thank you so much for posting this.
i really wanted to attend yesterday but i had to work.
i know a few people who did go and they said it was great.
i think 150 people showed up.

306 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:31:04am

Meanwhile - up in New England...

SNOWFALL RATES OF 2 TO 3 INCHES PER HOUR ARE EXPECTED FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS NEAR OR JUST AFTER MIDNIGHT... THUNDER MAY ALSO BE HEARD.
10 TO 15 INCHES WILL PILE UP BETWEEN 10 PM TONIGHT AND 10 AM MONDAY.
TEMPERATURES WILL BE IN THE TEENS TO LOWER 20S WITH GUSTY NORTHERLY WINDS CAUSING BLOWING AND DRIFTING OF THE SNOW AND WIND CHILLS IN THE 5 TO 15 DEGREE RANGE.


*sigh*

307 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:31:16am

re: #303 realwest

Morning Realwest! I'm sorry you're going to get global warming and hope you don't lose power.

308 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:31:30am

re: #302 MandyManners

I wish such people had horns so that others could figure them out easily.

It was interesting, because when I was reading The Anatomy of Fascism, Degrelle came up, and I knew I knew the name somehow. I searched LGF first, and then it became clear- it was because of ties to VB.

309 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:32:16am

re: #306 Killer Tomato

Morning, KT!
*holds her mug of coffee tighter reading that, happy it's just cold and sunny here*

310 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:32:47am

re: #303 realwest

We (Atlanta) were supposed to get 2-3 inches from midnight till now. The temp never got low enough (they predicted it was going down to 27-28 degrees). We've been having sporadic torrential downpours since about 1 a.m.

311 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:33:06am

re: #309 Chicago Blonde

Hey CB!
*holds out mug*
Spare a cup?

312 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:33:48am

re: #304 Chicago Blonde

They probably do but just file 'em down before walking among us.

True. Deception is a primary tool of Evil.

313 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:33:56am

re: #306 Killer Tomato
Well that's what y'all get for living in New England! LOL!
BTW - the snow you're gonna be getting is from the same storm we're having - and we had so much rain yesterday (although the weatherheads on TV said it was only an inch) that we DID have thunder and lightning storms around 3:00Am - so don't be surprised if you get 'em too!

314 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:33:57am

re: #306 Killer Tomato

Hey could be worse, you could be dealing with sub zero temps like we are. It dropped 25 degrees celsius on Friday, from 9 to -16. Our forcast lows for the next couple of days will be in the same range.

315 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:34:15am

re: #303 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a cold (34 degrees, going up to 39 degrees) very rainy Charlotte! We are now supposedly gonna get something like FOUR to SEVEN inches of global warming this afternoon, through tonight into tomorrow morning! 4-7 inches is quite a bit of snow even "up North" but for down here it's gonna be real misery - folks (and government and Duke Power) aren't prepared for snow storms like this one. In the 3 years we've been down here, we've had, respectively 2", 0" and 2" of snow each winter and lost our power (and therefore heat, hot water, cooking, Internet and cable TV for some 6 hours or so. GAAAH!
But there's hope; this coming Thursday and Friday we'll have high temps in the mid to upper 60's!

How are you all doing?

Good Morning Realwest...Hang in there buddy..
Also you have mail.

316 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:34:58am

re: #307 Chicago Blonde
Thanks Chicago Blonde! I hope we don't lose power either - been there, done that, and got the t-shirt too!
How are you doing?

317 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:35:09am

re: #311 Killer Tomato

Sure! *extends mug of hot fresh java*

It's going to be bitter cold and sunny here, then we usually get one weekend or 3-day span of 65-70 degree weather late in March. This is to torment us before the final whomp of snow in early April.

318 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:36:20am

re: #310 sattv4u2 Huh? According to our TV weather, some county to the south of Atlanta (Montgomery?) got 4" of snow last night! How did y'all miss that?!

319 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:36:38am

re: #314 BlueCanuck

I guess we all should consider ourselves lucky - if it wasn't for globalwarming we'd really be cold!
/

320 Elcid  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:36:50am

You may have seen this one but...This one could leave a mark.

New York City, no less...Where the hell where all of you, election day?

Lemme' guess...mezmerized.

321 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:36:56am

re: #312 MandyManners

True. Deception is a primary tool of Evil.

Not to mention the MSM...

322 abaleh  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:37:34am

re: #302 MandyManners

I wish such people had horns so that others could figure them out easily.

who are those?

323 abaleh  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:38:07am

re: #322 abaleh

who are those?

those=they

324 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:38:40am

re: #316 realwest

Aw, I'm fine. Freezing here but sunny, and so far it looks like it's going to be that way until Friday. Just sipping my coffee, listening to tunes and greeting everyone as I wake up.

325 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:38:46am

re: #315 HoosierHoops
Hi ya Hoops! Uh, I got ONE e-mail from you and I replied to it late last night! Did you not receive the reply or do I have a second e-mail coming my way today?!

326 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:39:36am

re: #319 Killer Tomato
ROTF!

327 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:40:46am

re: #325 realwest

Hi ya Hoops! Uh, I got ONE e-mail from you and I replied to it late last night! Did you not receive the reply or do I have a second e-mail coming my way today?!

Whoops..I left my Blackberry in the other room on the charger..
BRB

328 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:40:56am

re: #321 Chicago Blonde

Not to mention the MSM...

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.

Adolf Hitler

329 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:41:39am

re: #318 realwest

Huh? According to our TV weather, some county to the south of Atlanta (Montgomery?) got 4" of snow last night! How did y'all miss that?!

Must be some other county. Montgomery (county) is in the southeasterly corner of the state. They're up near 50 degrees today. There may have been some (snow) up in the mountains near Helen GA. Nothing south of Atlanta though

330 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:42:52am

re: #328 Dustyvet

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.

Adolf Hitler

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

Adolf Hitler

331 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:43:04am

re: #328 Dustyvet

And when all else fails, they focus on trivium to distract the masses.

332 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:43:13am

re: #308 Sharmuta

It was interesting, because when I was reading The Anatomy of Fascism, Degrelle came up, and I knew I knew the name somehow. I searched LGF first, and then it became clear- it was because of ties to VB.

Is there any current monarch who appears--if not friendly but--not antagonistic to VB and its ilk?

333 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:43:31am

BBIAB - getting something to snack on.

334 Elcid  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:45:45am

re: #305 nyc redneck

Welcome. I'm just tickled to see it. Hope Schumer likes TEA. WE really DO need to load Washington with tea.

They'll get the message...won't do anything, 'cause they think they are immune to the will of THE people.

BUT...if these bozo's and bozette's receive TEA regularly, who knows.

What are they going to do...OUTLAW tea?

Arrest me for sending it?

Give that one a whack, 'Rulers of The people, By the people and For the people' (Gettysburg address, I know, still a valid concept). Don't work that way, "Rulers"...NOT for long, at any rate.

335 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:45:48am

re: #321 Chicago Blonde

Not to mention the MSM...

Helen Thomas comes to mind.

336 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:45:56am

re: #329 sattv4u2 AHA! I thought Montgomery was the county immediately south of Atlanta? What's the name of the county immediately West of Atlanta/Fulton County? I know I saw that on our TV weather cause they were explaining where all our snow is gonna be coming from!

337 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:46:28am

re: #322 abaleh

who are those?

The new faces of fascism.

338 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:47:15am

re: #288 Elcid

Another reason to join the Tea Party...Pic is from New York, this site indicates

She was lovely, her friend was lovely, the girl in the plaid with the couture book was lovely and others were lovely. PJ O'Rourke was right, this gives hope that we are on the winning side. I decline to reveal which of the 65 images is of me.

339 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:47:23am

Good morning. We had a dusting of snow and I have a terrible cold. Time to see what's happening in the world, and then go clean some bathrooms.

If I'm so rich, Obama, where is my help?

340 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:47:49am

re: #336 realwest

[Link: www.censusfinder.com...]

341 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:48:44am

re: #320 Elcid

You may have seen this one but...This one could leave a mark.

New York City, no less...Where the hell where all of you, election day?

Lemme' guess...mezmerized.

Actually she was wacky.

342 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:49:18am

re: #338 lifeofthemind

She was lovely, her friend was lovely, the girl in the plaid with the couture book was lovely and others were lovely. PJ O'Rourke was right, this gives hope that we are on the winning side. I decline to reveal which of the 65 images is of me.

ahhh heck..come on..which picture is you?
:)
good morning btw

343 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:50:07am

THE PERKS OF BEING 50+

1. Kidnappers are not very interested in you.
2. In a hostage situation you are likely to be released first.
3. No one expects you to run - anywhere.
4. People call at 9 PM and ask, "Did I wake you?"
5. People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.
6. There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
7. Things you buy now won't wear out.
8. You can eat dinner at 4 P.M.
9. You enjoy hearing about other peoples' operations.
10. You get into heated arguments about pension plans.
11. You have a party and the neighbors don't even realize it.
12. You no longer think of speed limits as a challenge.
13. You quit trying to hold your stomach in, no matter who walks into the room.
14. You sing along with elevator music.
15. Your eyes won't get much worse.
16. Your investment in health insurance is finally beginning to pay off.
17. Your joints are more accurate meteorologists than the national weather service.
18. Your secrets are safe with your friends, because they can't remember them either.
19. Your supply of brain cells is finally down to manageable size.
20. You can't remember who sent you this list.

344 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:50:21am

re: #328 Dustyvet

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.

Adolf Hitler

One way to do it is to make people believe that liberty is the same as fairness.

345 Elcid  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:51:26am

re: #341 lifeofthemind

We need whackies, too...LOL. The Left is loaded with 'em.

Great that you attended and thank you. No doubt it was colder then I hear a well diggers ass is.

346 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:52:31am

re: #342 HoosierHoops

ahhh heck..come on..which picture is you?
:)
good morning btw

Would you believe?
Image: Maca1.gif

347 Elcid  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:53:33am

re: #346 lifeofthemind

Nice try...lol.

348 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:53:40am

re: #346 lifeofthemind

Would you believe?
[Link: www.hermes-press.com...]

You need a new pipe my friend

349 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:53:49am
350 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:55:27am

re: #328 Dustyvet

By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.

Adolf Hitler

The workers' paradise.

351 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:59:16am

re: #87 TheMadKing

I posted that story yesterday on the "bolt" thread ... I agree with you. I hope those hollywood pus-bags DO apologize to the iranians.

352 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:59:36am

re: #344 MandyManners

One way to do it is to make people believe that liberty is the same as fairness.

"Fair" is another term up there with "it's for the chillldrennn" that makes me cringe.

353 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:59:42am

re: #343 Dustyvet
Good morning Dusty! Uh, that list was just a touch to accurate to be really funny, but it was worth a chuckle and an upding!
How are you this morning?

354 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:59:43am

re: #349 ploome hineni

...the continuing saga of Judah Pearl


this man is so deluded as to be dangerous

It sounds as if he's apologetic about being a Jew, about the whole notion of Jewishness.

355 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:00:27am

re: #352 Chicago Blonde

"Fair" is another term up there with "it's for the chillldrennn" that makes me cringe.

When I hear that phrase, I hide my wallet.

356 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:00:44am

re: #348 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! Didja check your Blackberry?!

357 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:00:45am

re: #349 ploome hineni

...the continuing saga of Judah Pearl


this man is so deluded as to be dangerous

Anti Zionism and Anti Semitism are the exact same thing. If this gentleman doesn't understand that, he really IS deluded. Even Dr martin Luther King realized this more than 40 years ago.

358 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:01:37am

re: #355 MandyManners

You and me both.

359 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:01:38am

re: #345 Elcid

We need whackies, too...LOL. The Left is loaded with 'em.

Great that you attended and thank you. No doubt it was colder then I hear a well diggers ass is.

The Village Voice did a hatchet job on it, they should be experts on asses.

360 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:01:55am
361 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:03:36am

re: #353 realwest

Good morning Dusty! Uh, that list was just a touch to accurate to be really funny, but it was worth a chuckle and an upding!
How are you this morning?

Doing well here, colder then hell in this apartment, and the Mighty Litter Kicker is in the latrine building another road. How things with you and your Mom?

362 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:03:56am

re: #360 ploome hineni

yes

a few thousand years of continuing contempt does that

He seems to think that Zionism is some alien concept that has no relation to Jews. I wonder why he thinks Israel was founded.

363 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:05:42am

re: #361 Dustyvet

...and the Mighty Litter Kicker is in the latrine building another road.

You know, if you taught that little booger how to salt roads and hired him out, he could build you quite a slush fund. :)

364 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:05:45am

re: #358 Chicago Blonde

You and me both.

Has the AGW movement used kids as spokespeople on a large scale? I know that its backers are shoving it down kids' throats in public schools.

365 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:06:27am

re: #361 Dustyvet
Mom's doing ok, I could be better, thanks. How come it's so cold in your apartment?!
Why don't you just build a fire in your fireplace?!

366 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:06:59am

re: #361 Dustyvet

Doing well here, colder then hell in this apartment, and the Mighty Litter Kicker is in the latrine building another road. How things with you and your Mom?

Hey! I have one of those! Maybe he's related to yours. I've tried repetitively to explain the concept, but he seems to think it's a litter room, not a litter box.

367 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:07:47am

re: #262 MandyManners

Irving and Williamson: a match made in Hell.

And here's another one getting into bed with them:

‘What Holocaust?’– as the beauty said to the bishop

Makes for sickening reading.
One especially sad point in that article: the survivors of the Holocaust are dying. This, apaprently gives the deniers hope to finally turn the table.

We must not allow this to happen!

Hiya Lizard Nation!

368 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:08:32am

Rush Limbaugh really hit it out of the park yesterday. I used to listen to him, but have listened much less in recent years. But someone said on the thread yesterday that he is more resonant when the Republicans are out of power, and I think they're right. Over the next 4-8 years, his voice will be more important than ever. He won me back as a regular listener yesterday.

369 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:08:33am

re: #366 Killer Tomato
Uh, KT - is your cat an "older cat" - cause if so, maybe spreading out the litter box is your cat's way of coping without Depends?!

370 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:09:04am

re: #363 Chicago Blonde

You know, if you taught that little booger how to salt roads and hired him out, he could build you quite a slush fund. :)

Hmmm, signing him on with Chicago Public Works Department has possibilities...:)

371 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:09:35am

re: #367 yma o hyd
Good afternoon to you {yma} - how are you doing today?

372 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:10:05am

re: #356 realwest

Hey Hoops! Didja check your Blackberry?!

yes..thanks so much for the reply /cough Mandy!
You have a great idea about the carb listings for the cookbook recipes..I'll let Reine know for cookbookII.
I have a story to tell you Real...

373 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:10:06am

re: #364 MandyManners

Has the AGW movement used kids as spokespeople on a large scale? I know that its backers are shoving it down kids' throats in public schools.

The Greenies? I don't know how many kids they used as spokespeople, but I know that you can't escape it and yes, it's being touted in schools (instead of "useless" stuff like history). *snarl*

Mr. Blonde and I went to the Museum of Science & Industry a couple weeks ago and they had tons of green stuff there. It's turning into something of a cult.

374 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:10:28am

Some relaxing music with a cool Jupiter video to go with our coffee.

375 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:10:43am

re: #365 realwest

Mom's doing ok, I could be better, thanks. How come it's so cold in your apartment?!
Why don't you just build a fire in your fireplace?!

It keeps setting off the smoke detector...:)

376 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:11:13am

re: #370 Dustyvet

He'd probably be a better worker and more personable too.

377 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:11:26am

re: #372 HoosierHoops
"cough Mandy"?!?
Well tell away while I still got the internet!
And I already e-mailed reine!

378 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:11:54am

re: #367 yma o hyd

And here's another one getting into bed with them:

‘What Holocaust?’– as the beauty said to the bishop

Makes for sickening reading.
One especially sad point in that article: the survivors of the Holocaust are dying. This, apaprently gives the deniers hope to finally turn the table.

We must not allow this to happen!

Hiya Lizard Nation!

"sickening" is precisely the right word for that "beyotch."

379 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:12:36am

re: #376 Chicago Blonde

He'd probably be a better worker and more personable too.

Yeah...:)

380 Miss Trixie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:12:45am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

A very frozen-solid day in the valley, it's very cold but there is plenty of sinshine. In like a lion ...

C'mon Spring! :D

{realwest} Morning hunnie! *smoochie-smooch* Wow! You gots sneaux alla the way down there? Al Gore's in the neighborhood, I presume. :D

381 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:12:50am

re: #375 Dustyvet
Can't ya take the battery out of the smoke detector or is it one of those "hard wired" suckers?!

382 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:14:30am

re: #369 realwest

He's only 5. I don't know anything about his early 'training' - he was an inner-city stray. He's always been a bit exuberant.

383 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:14:41am

re: #366 Killer Tomato

Hey! I have one of those! Maybe he's related to yours. I've tried repetitively to explain the concept, but he seems to think it's a litter room, not a litter box.

I tried one of those covered litter boxes, he discovered that with a covered box he can aim the stuff...:)

384 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:15:13am

re: #349 ploome hineni

...the continuing saga of Judah Pearl

this man is so deluded as to be dangerous

Gah - why tie yourself into knots, why not call it what it is: Jew Hate!

385 Elcid  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:15:19am

re: #359 lifeofthemind

Of course the would.

There was also a black guy.

No shit! They LOVE the race thingy, get's them pumped.

These people are such losers... 250 to 300 people in New York City. Sad. Pretty sure if Obama did a speech in Central Park he'd pack it with supporters. It's people like these 300 that turned your great country into two Americas. Rich America, and the poor America. These people waged war on middle class Americans for the last 8 years. Where were these protests when your country fought an illegal war and wasted trillions on it with no WMD's? Oh that's right, Bush isn't Hitler, Obama is after one month. Wake up my American friends, don't listen to these losers.

Posted by: Amused Canadian at February 28, 2009 8:35 PM

Stay in Canada, "Amused" one.

Tea Party?

Remind me again -- was the Boston Tea Party a protest against a government act that gave 95% of the colonists a tax cut?

And wasn't their some kind of complaint about taxation without representation involved there? Didn't Congress vote on this? You know -- our representatives?

Get a clue, conservatives. You claim to love America, but you seem to know nothing about its history and show nothing but contempt for the democratic process.

Posted by: Brian at February 28, 2009 8:47 PM

Hey "Brain" (spelled the way I chose)...Did Congress READ what they voted on?..."You know-- our representatives"?

386 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:15:42am
387 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:15:50am

re: #378 _RememberTonyC

What is WRONG with these people? How can you deny this horrible thing? I'm going to loudly and rudely correct any idiot who denies the Holocaust in my presence, I'll tell you that.

388 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:16:21am

re: #381 realwest

Can't ya take the battery out of the smoke detector or is it one of those "hard wired" suckers?!

Hard wired, and when I set it off I get 4 or 5 guys who dress funny and are carrying axes...:)

389 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:16:31am

re: #377 realwest

"cough Mandy"?!?
Well tell away while I still got the internet!
And I already e-mailed reine!


All that matters is that Mandy knows about the cough...
/My Son the marine giving candy to kids in Iraq..He is a stud isn't he Mandy? Go ahead just say it...

390 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:16:45am

Mornin' all. From a chilly 23 degrees, Wenatchee Valley.

391 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:16:45am

re: #380 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous! *smooches* back to you. Yes we have sneaux predicted for later today through tomorrow!
And shoot, Al Gore's home state is right next door to ours so we're in trouble anytime he's in his mansion!
And I see you've changed your avatar - goes so much better with your shoes!
:)

392 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:16:56am

re: #360 ploome hineni

Martin Luther King on Anti Zionism:

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

393 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:18:40am

FNC running cuts of Rushs speech at CPAC.

394 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:18:48am

re: #383 Dustyvet

Dusty and KT - I had a hooded litterbox, until one cat decided it was fun to creep onto the hood while the other kitty was using it and ambush the poor thing as she came out.

What's that punchline? And then the fight started...

395 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:18:56am

re: #387 Chicago Blonde

What is WRONG with these people? How can you deny this horrible thing? I'm going to loudly and rudely correct any idiot who denies the Holocaust in my presence, I'll tell you that.

What is wrong with them? They hate Jews. There is so much documentation of what the nazis did that there can be NO question that it happened. In Germany they know it, but still people try and deny it. There can be no other explanation than simply Jew hatred.

396 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:19:28am

re: #387 Chicago Blonde

I hate nazis of any stripe!

397 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:20:34am

re: #393 pingjockey

FNC running cuts of Rushs speech at CPAC.

I'm watching it right now. It's great.

398 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:20:41am

re: #385 Elcid

Americas. Rich America, and the poor America. These people waged war on middle class Americans


Whoops! That'd be three Americas...
Dipshit. Like half of us live in mansions with gold fixtures, yachts, and hot and cold running servants and the other half live in mud huts.

399 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:21:02am

re: #395 _RememberTonyC

I know what it is, sorry, rhetorical. (If I'd just started screaming I'd have woken Mr. Blonde up.)

Hatred of the Jews makes me sick. Anti-Semites are vile.

400 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:21:08am

re: #389 HoosierHoops

All that matters is that Mandy knows about the cough...
/My Son the marine giving candy to kids in Iraq..He is a stud isn't he Mandy? Go ahead just say it...

While I was in Vietnam, that was one of my favorite things was giving candy to the kids, when we went out on MEDCAP duty once a week.

401 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:21:18am

Good morning lizards.
I'm guessing hollywood (Annette Benning and crew) will be shielded from this:

402 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:21:50am

re: #371 realwest

Good afternoon to you {yma} - how are you doing today?

Hiya {rw}!
We're fine - its St David's Day today, celebrating the Patron Saint of Wales.
Daffodils are flowering, out in force, in his honour - and today I found four crocus flowering in my back mud patch, a.k.a 'lawn'.

403 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:22:13am

re: #396 pingjockey

You and me both, Pingjockey.

404 Miss Trixie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:23:00am

re: #388 Dustyvet

Hard wired, and when I set it off I get 4 or 5 guys who dress funny and are carrying axes...:)

.o0 (hmmm... could work ...)
:P

405 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:23:13am

re: #399 Chicago Blonde

I know what it is, sorry, rhetorical. (If I'd just started screaming I'd have woken Mr. Blonde up.)

Hatred of the Jews makes me sick. Anti-Semites are vile.

Understood :)
But I hope you never have to "correct" any holocaust deniers in your presence. Because if you do, you'll really have to reassess the people you allow in your personal space!

406 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:23:26am

re: #367 yma o hyd

And here's another one getting into bed with them:

‘What Holocaust?’– as the beauty said to the bishop

Makes for sickening reading.
One especially sad point in that article: the survivors of the Holocaust are dying. This, apaprently gives the deniers hope to finally turn the table.

We must not allow this to happen!

Hiya Lizard Nation!

Renouf isn’t a professional academic. She is a campaigning antiZionist, who explains, in calm tones, that practising Jews are, “antigentile in their spirit and completely deceitful in their intention”.

She also believes they are responsible for most of society’s ills – “vanity”, “lack of empathy” and, of course, “greed”. “The Holocaust is utterly key to world Zionist control over us and our governments,” she says, matter-of-factly.

Ah. The Big Jews allowed the murder of millions of their relatives and co-religionists in order to found an itty-bitty nation that has been constantly under attack since 1948.

She skids further from reality when I ask about the company she has been keeping, such as Ernst Zündel, the German-born neo-Nazi. Zündel once published a book suggesting that after the second world war Hitler decamped to live at the South Pole and dispatches UFOs to spy on mankind.

“If he wants to believe in UFOs I see no harm in that,” she says. “For all I know UFOs might exist.” There’s probably more evidence to support the Holocaust than UFOs, though. “Only because we have not concentrated our media machine on UFOs.”

I wonder if she's buddies with David Icke.

As witnesses to the Holocaust die, Renouf and her semi-organised gang of doubters are keen to change how it is taught in schools. On the net and at conferences around the world, seeds of doubt are being placed, feeding off a resurgent antisemitism, much of it fuelled, disturbingly, by orthodox Islamic teaching.

The survivors will die but, the records will live on.

Williamson, for example, has regaled his young South American church with tales that the twin towers were detonated in an inside job to kick-start a Jewish-influenced war on terror.

I wonder if she's Troofer, too.

She's a nasty bit of work.

407 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:23:46am

Btw, in olden days, Google honoured us with lots of daffs and leeks on its UK homepage, today we only got one leek!

Isn't that mean!

408 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:23:50am

re: #394 Chicago Blonde

What's really fun is when he stands outside and pulls on the lip of the box. Picks it up and drops it. Picks it up and drops it. If you're downstairs it sounds like someone's stomping on the floor overhead.
sheesh!

409 Miss Trixie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:23:54am

re: #391 realwest

Hey there gorgeous! *smooches* back to you. Yes we have sneaux predicted for later today through tomorrow!
And shoot, Al Gore's home state is right next door to ours so we're in trouble anytime he's in his mansion!
And I see you've changed your avatar - goes so much better with your shoes!
:)

Why, thankee for noticing! *hug* :D

410 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:24:16am

re: #404 Miss Trixie

.o0 (hmmm... could work ...)
:P

Good Morning Trixie! I hope today finds you well...

411 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:25:08am

re: #405 _RememberTonyC

But I hope you never have to "correct" any holocaust deniers in your presence. Because if you do, you'll really have to reassess the people you allow in your personal space!

Oh, trust me - such idiots wouldn't be allowed. Or readmitted.

412 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:25:47am

re: #400 Dustyvet

While I was in Vietnam, that was one of my favorite things was giving candy to the kids, when we went out on MEDCAP duty once a week.

Good Morning sir...what kind of coffee are we drinking today?

413 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:26:29am

re: #411 Chicago Blonde

Oh, trust me - such idiots wouldn't be allowed. Or readmitted.


you go girl ...

414 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:27:33am
415 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:27:42am

re: #412 HoosierHoops

Good Morning sir...what kind of coffee are we drinking today?

Drinking something called Green River soda pop. Label reads "Caffeine Free Since 1919"...:P

416 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:28:04am

re: #399 Chicago Blonde

I know what it is, sorry, rhetorical. (If I'd just started screaming I'd have woken Mr. Blonde up.)

Hatred of the Jews makes me sick. Anti-Semites are vile.

I am constantly amazed by the cognitive dissonace exhibited by moonbats and LLL who are rabid (is no other word for it!) anti semites, i.e. Jew haters, but wail about racism at the slightest opportunity.

Doesn't it ever dawn on them that they're worse racists themselves?

But as the old saying has it - point at someone, and four fingers point right back at yourself.

417 lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:28:09am

Morning all.
What's shakin'?

418 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:28:10am

re: #408 Killer Tomato

Oh man - you brought back a memory. Mr. Blonde was out of town and it was just the cats and I. One was just declawed and kept in a spare room with shredded paper in her litter pan.

In the middle of the night I hear what sounds like a doorknob turning, and I almost pass out...until I realize it's the cat, leaping up and rattling the doorknob.

/Glad I have a strong heart...

419 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:28:22am

re: #402 yma o hyd
Surprised the better half. Got her daffodils. But of course, here in the states couldn't find a card.

420 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:29:10am

re: #413 _RememberTonyC

you go girl ...

Hey Tony! I see that Bill Simmons is getting some Ad time for ESPN.com on TV.
Did you read his book 'now I can die' about the 2004 Sox Championship?
Bill''s mailbag is the best on the web

421 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:29:37am

re: #373 Chicago Blonde

The Greenies? I don't know how many kids they used as spokespeople, but I know that you can't escape it and yes, it's being touted in schools (instead of "useless" stuff like history). *snarl*

Mr. Blonde and I went to the Museum of Science & Industry a couple weeks ago and they had tons of green stuff there. It's turning into something of a cult.

This is all the more reason to make sure that science--not theology--is taught in science classes.

422 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:30:28am

re: #372 HoosierHoops

yes..thanks so much for the reply /cough Mandy!
You have a great idea about the carb listings for the cookbook recipes..I'll let Reine know for cookbookII.
I have a story to tell you Real...

Excuse me?

423 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:30:31am

re: #419 pingjockey

Surprised the better half. Got her daffodils. But of course, here in the states couldn't find a card.

Oh well done you!
Thats extra kudos for a whole year!
Happy St Davids Day to her from me, tell her the daffs are out in force, just as they ought to!

424 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:30:49am

re: #416 yma o hyd

I am constantly amazed by the cognitive dissonace exhibited by moonbats and LLL who are rabid (is no other word for it!) anti semites, i.e. Jew haters, but wail about racism at the slightest opportunity.

You and me both.

425 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:31:42am

re: #422 MandyManners

Excuse me?

*wink* you haven't replied to my email yet..just teasing you

426 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:31:57am

A silver lining in this "down" economy:

[Link: www.boston.com...]

I wish the new administration would promote the military as a great career path for many young men and women. But sadly, the Dems' contempt for our fighting forces will prevent that from happening. But the awesome young men and women who are choosing the military in spite of that contempt are a large part of why this country is so great.

427 Irish Rose  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:32:02am

Good morning lizards, I'm late coming in today... had my first night of good sleep in over a week.

Feels good to finally be on the mend.

428 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:32:17am

re: #423 yma o hyd
I will do that. How went the rugger match? We had the US championships on ESPN last week. Sad really, they were playing in San Diego and the stadium was maybe a quarter full.

429 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:32:22am

Good morning all! I've already been to the office to get my schedule for tomorrow so I can cancel everyone from home ( snow-ice storm here in the North East tomorrow ). I brought home lox and bagels. My cats love the lox, the spoiled bastards.

430 3 wood  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:32:22am

Good morning.

Well the Messiah has quite a legacy built up already. The S&P declined 11% in February, the second worst such drop in a February, beaten only the 18.4% drop in 1933.

So far the market is giving the Messiah the big thumbs down.

Watch carefully what happens on monday. If we have another close below 740 on the S&P, many technicians/chartists will see that as a sign of a new bottom needing to be found and there will likely be another large sell off occur.

But, if the market rallies, you might see a rebuild to the 800 level on the S&P.

I think a large part of it depends on whether or not Obama shuts up for a couple days and stops his "catastrophe" talk and gives the market a chance to get over the shell shock.

By the way, Obama's buddy Warren Buffett thinks the economy will be in a shambles for the rest of 2009.

431 Elcid  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:32:27am

re: #398 Killer Tomato

These kinds of people, make we want to barf...well, other things to...but typing them, would be lead to a deletion.

432 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:32:34am

re: #414 FrogMarch

the parade of Hollywad neo-Marxists.

overwhelming hypocricy...the only explanation can be is they see themselves as elitisits...well monied

433 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:33:05am

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

Mornin', lizards! Am I still supposed to be giving 0bama a chance?

Just as much as he gave us.

434 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:33:16am

re: #426 _RememberTonyC

A silver lining in this "down" economy:

[Link: www.boston.com...]

I wish the new administration would promote the military as a great career path for many young men and women. But sadly, the Dems' contempt for our fighting forces will prevent that from happening. But the awesome young men and women who are choosing the military in spite of that contempt are a large part of why this country is so great.

I keep trying to make that pitch to my 2 daughters.

435 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:33:24am

re: #429 Nevergiveup
Feeding the cats salmon? are you mad?

436 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:33:43am

re: #418 Chicago Blonde

LOL

Had a cat years ago that learned how to operate stuff in the house. One night I was in bed and saw the bathroom light was on. Sat up and the light went out. Then it went on. Then it went out. What the heck? I got out of bed and walked down the hall while the light went on and off. It was the cat sitting on the vanity and flicking the light switch.
:D
He used to turn the stereo on - I'd come home from work and all the overhead lights in the house were on and the stereo'd be blasting - it was like he was throwing parties while I was away.

437 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:33:46am

re: #420 HoosierHoops

Hey Tony! I see that Bill Simmons is getting some Ad time for ESPN.com on TV.
Did you read his book 'now I can die' about the 2004 Sox Championship?
Bill''s mailbag is the best on the web


I love Bill Simmons and email him occasionally. You didn't hear this from me, but don't be shocked if you see him doing more TV in the future.

438 Irish Rose  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:34:13am

re: #435 pingjockey

Feeding the cats salmon? are you mad?


My Jack Russell eats canned salmon... loves it.

439 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:34:35am

re: #430 3 wood

I think a large part of it depends on whether or not Obama shuts up for a couple days and stops his "catastrophe" talk and gives the market a chance to get over the shell shock.

I don't think he wants the market to improve.

440 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:34:36am

re: #435 pingjockey

Feeding the cats salmon? are you mad?

If the cat ain't happy, ain't nobody happy

441 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:34:48am

re: #421 MandyManners

This is all the more reason to make sure that science--not theology--is taught in science classes.

I'm a Christian and I agree 100%. I know this isn't a special effect and that cave children didn't ride her...

442 BaseballMom57  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:34:56am

re: #229 Sharmuta

I'll go to the link in a sec, but at 52 years young I do not color my hair to cover my gray. My friends have threatened to get me drunk and "wash that grey right outta your hair" (which would be a really good trick since I no longer drink). I just cannot justify paying good money every 4-6 weeks to do such a thing. Hereabouts it can cost $60+ for a competent "weave" or whatever it's called these days. Yes, I realize one can get it from a bottle/box, but I have NEVER seen anything out of a bottle that looked natural, so I'm very happy with my silvery salt-n-pepper, TYVM. I have actually had women (and men!) comment on how "beautiful" my hair is in check out lines and in store aisles. A few have asked where I have it done because the "weave" is so "well done". :-)

443 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:35:07am

re: #438 Irish Rose
Mad as in, the salmon goes into me! Not the critters! :)

444 Irish Rose  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:35:08am

re: #436 Killer Tomato

Just too damned funny :).

445 Miss Trixie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:35:39am

re: #410 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Trixie! I hope today finds you well...

Good morning and the same to you. :) It's much too cold to go out and terrorize the 'hood with Lil Miss so we'll have to wait a few days for the warm wether to finally arrive.

*crosses fingers and chilly toes*

:D

446 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:35:47am

re: #439 MandyManners

I don't think he wants the market to improve.

of course not...he needs failure to advance his commie agenda...I thought that was common knowlege

447 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:36:15am

re: #434 Nevergiveup

I keep trying to make that pitch to my 2 daughters.

I suppose their motivation will have to come from within. But I think you are giving them good advice.

448 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:36:35am

re: #430 3 wood
Hey good morning my friend! Obama's gonna save the economy in 2010, in time for the off-year congressonal elections! I thought you knew that?!? LOL!
BTW, kindly check your e-mail!

449 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:36:43am
450 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:36:44am

re: #435 pingjockey

Feeding the cats salmon? are you mad?

"He hates those cats!"
-Blanche Bickerson

451 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:36:57am

re: #436 Killer Tomato

That is hilarious! Once Mr. Blonde came home from work before I did and saw a cat settled on the couch, watching TV. Apparently she walked across a remote and turned it on. We started leaving either the TV or a good classic rock station on for the pets when we left.

452 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:36:58am

I wonder if our glittering Hollywood stars asked about this woman...Somehow I doubt it.

Iran being Iran

453 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:37:21am

re: #440 Nevergiveup
Cats aren't pets, they tolerate us, and occasionally will get up on your lap and lower your blood pressure. We have a zoo, puppy, cat, and a ferret. The 9 year old want a gerbil! Last week it was a turtle.

454 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:37:24am

re: #437 _RememberTonyC

I love Bill Simmons and email him occasionally. You didn't hear this from me, but don't be shocked if you see him doing more TV in the future.

I do the podcasts..
But his mailbag is great..esp when he ends each one with a total wacked out email saying' Yup..those are my readers'..Can you imagine a Charles email bag Thread? The server would crash

455 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:37:36am

re: #441 Chicago Blonde

I'm a Christian and I agree 100%. I know this isn't a special effect and that cave children didn't ride her...

I wouldn't be shocked if the DI ilk started praising The Flintstones.

456 Miss Trixie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:37:48am

Gotta go nosh - a cheddar and bacon omelette is calling my name. BBIAB.

457 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:38:11am

re: #436 Killer Tomato

LOL

Had a cat years ago that learned how to operate stuff in the house. One night I was in bed and saw the bathroom light was on. Sat up and the light went out. Then it went on. Then it went out. What the heck? I got out of bed and walked down the hall while the light went on and off. It was the cat sitting on the vanity and flicking the light switch.
:D
He used to turn the stereo on - I'd come home from work and all the overhead lights in the house were on and the stereo'd be blasting - it was like he was throwing parties while I was away.

hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaaa

458 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:38:14am

re: #455 MandyManners

You know, I was just thinking about that as I posted my link... :)

459 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:38:25am

re: #446 albusteve

of course not...he needs failure to advance his commie agenda...I thought that was common knowlege


I STILL want to know how george soros' portfolio is doing as markets around the world go into the dumper. That evil former concentration camp kapo very well could be behind some of our misery.

460 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:38:52am

re: #428 pingjockey

I will do that. How went the rugger match? We had the US championships on ESPN last week. Sad really, they were playing in San Diego and the stadium was maybe a quarter full.

Gawd - blydi Frogs beat us by five points. No Grand Slam for us, and the championship looks iffy now as well.
Blydi Irish look to be on a roll, we have to hope the Scots, who look better every game, will rough them up for us.

We're trying very hard to forget and forgive. Thing is, the Welsh are bi-polar when it comes to Rugby. So, we're deeply depressed right now.

461 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:38:52am

U.S. Army chief: Iran has enough nuclear material to make bomb


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

This and the dow is in deep retreat. Oh Happy days?

Elvis lives!

462 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:39:33am
463 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:39:49am

re: #446 albusteve

of course not...he needs failure to advance his commie agenda...I thought that was common knowlege

Cognito thinks Cloward-Piven Strategy is a bunch of hooey, a conspiracy theory.

464 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:40:02am

re: #454 HoosierHoops

I do the podcasts..
But his mailbag is great..esp when he ends each one with a total wacked out email saying' Yup..those are my readers'..Can you imagine a Charles email bag Thread? The server would crash


Bill shares my passion for the Boston Celtics. Reading his material about the Larry Bird ( the best Hoosier Hoopster ever) years resonates with me like nothing else.

465 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:40:02am

re: #460 yma o hyd
Damn, my condolences. How in hell did the froggies beat y'all?

466 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:40:48am

re: #451 Chicago Blonde

The stereo turned on with a push button. You had to pull the TV button to turn it on, and he couldn't. He'd stand in front of the TV and smash at the button while making cranky noises.
I'd turn it on and he'd sit and watch it.

bbiab - the box is being slammed again.

467 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:41:31am

re: #464 _RememberTonyC

I think it's great that in pretty much EVERY article he writes for the Mag, no matter what the topic, he mentions the Celts.
Fans of other teams must be annoyed by it.

468 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:41:35am

re: #452 Lincolntf

I wonder if our glittering Hollywood stars asked about this woman...Somehow I doubt it.

Iran being Iran

I think that's the first I've heard of her.

469 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:41:48am

re: #463 MandyManners
Sounds EXACTLY like what the obambi is doing.

470 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:42:14am

re: #459 _RememberTonyC

I STILL want to know how george soros' portfolio is doing as markets around the world go into the dumper. That evil former concentration camp kapo very well could be behind some of our misery.

it's the one conspiracy that I believe...there are alot of people in on it and they know exactly what they are doing...there is simply no other reasonable explanation for it...there are a couple of very simple options to pump billions into the economy almost instantly...ask 3Wood

471 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:42:28am

re: #458 Chicago Blonde

You know, I was just thinking about that as I posted my link... :)

Yeah, a real forward-thinking cartoon.

472 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:42:50am

re: #464 _RememberTonyC

Bill shares my passion for the Boston Celtics. Reading his material about the Larry Bird ( the best Hoosier Hoopster ever) years resonates with me like nothing else.

I love the Celtics mainly because of Larry Legend...It looks like the Starburry pickup just might work..Shades of an old Oakland Raider's move.

473 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:43:13am

re: #432 albusteve

overwhelming hypocricy...the only explanation can be is they see themselves as elitisits...well monied

I suspect liberal guilt makes these ivory tower elites feel like they are appropriate. The holy hollywad leftist really cares for "the little people". yeah - the poorest Cubans and Venezuelans are sooo happy.
Especially the jailed ones. No freedom, and cradle to grave government control - that's hollywad's idea of "caring".

474 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:43:17am

re: #439 MandyManners

I don't think he wants the market to improve.

Not yet anyway. This manufactured crisis is playing out just as planned. He needs to keep people scared so they'll accept his socialism without much of a fight.

475 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:43:35am

re: #465 pingjockey
Good morning ping! "How in hell did the froggies beat y'all?"
Cheated.

476 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:43:35am

re: #459 _RememberTonyC

I STILL want to know how george soros' portfolio is doing as markets around the world go into the dumper. That evil former concentration camp kapo very well could be behind some of our misery.

Soros was not a kapo in the camps. He did his bit outside.

That said, he has enough money to weather anything.

477 irish rose  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:44:04am

re: #474 ciaospirit

Not yet anyway. This manufactured crisis is playing out just as planned. He needs to keep people scared so they'll accept his socialism without much of a fight.

Bingo.

478 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:44:04am

re: #468 MandyManners
Me too.

The Hollywood loons are still over there, right?

479 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:44:05am

re: #463 MandyManners

Cognito thinks Cloward-Piven Strategy is a bunch of hooey, a conspiracy theory.

last night he was waiting and hoping to see if BO can "right the ship"...he's out of it and obviously cannot believe his own eyes and ears...

480 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:44:34am

re: #463 MandyManners

Cognito thinks Cloward-Piven Strategy is a bunch of hooey, a conspiracy theory.

To call it a conspiracy theory would be giving it way too much credit. It could be the next nirther theme to waste time and energy on though.

481 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:45:06am

re: #469 pingjockey

Sounds EXACTLY like what the obambi is doing.

It worked on voting and welfare, and it appears to be working on the housing market thanks to the CRA.

482 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:45:15am

re: #467 Lincolntf

I think it's great that in pretty much EVERY article he writes for the Mag, no matter what the topic, he mentions the Celts.
Fans of other teams must be annoyed by it.

Yeah :)
And America gets another dose of the Green on ABC today at 1:00pm ET. What a great way to get ready for tonight's New England Nor'Easter!

483 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:45:21am

re: #472 HoosierHoops

They're on national TV today. I no longer live in the broadcast area, so this will be my first chance to see them with Marbury. Looking forward to it.

484 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:45:41am

re: #474 ciaospirit
Exactly!

485 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:45:49am

re: #474 ciaospirit

Not yet anyway. This manufactured crisis is playing out just as planned. He needs to keep people scared so they'll accept his socialism without much of a fight.

Cognito would say your tin-foil hat looks loverly on you.

486 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:45:50am

re: #453 pingjockey

Cats aren't pets, they tolerate us, and occasionally will get up on your lap and lower your blood pressure. We have a zoo, puppy, cat, and a ferret. The 9 year old want a gerbil! Last week it was a turtle.

Dogs have masters. Cats have staff.

487 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:45:51am

re: #475 realwest
More than likely.

488 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:45:52am

re: #426 _RememberTonyC

A silver lining in this "down" economy:

[Link: www.boston.com...]

I wish the new administration would promote the military as a great career path for many young men and women. But sadly, the Dems' contempt for our fighting forces will prevent that from happening. But the awesome young men and women who are choosing the military in spite of that contempt are a large part of why this country is so great.

i agree
last week,i was talking w/ a young woman who attends west point.
i was very impressed w/ her. she carried herself like a soldier. her posture, her body language. tho she was very petite. she had confidence and pride and poise.
when i mentioned O, she became very serious. she didn't say anything disparaging abt. him but her emphasis was on serving her COUNTRY.
it was her way of being respectful but it told me everything.

489 BaseballMom57  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:46:17am

re: #253 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess (and all those who pray), thank you very much for all your prayers. Hubby is okay, but has gained back all the water weight he lost in the hospital. They've put him on a sodium-free diet (grocery shopping is HELL - I have been baking our own bread because there is no such thing as salt-free bread, at least in these parts), but he is still retaining the water. He's now on three different water pills. His nephrologist is baffled, and has ordered a 24-hr urine catch. If they don't figure it out here, we are thinking of heading down to Mayo in Scottsdale, but we're going to need the okie dokie from our insurance co., since last I checked, Mayo does not accept our plan. So please pray the doc(s) will figure out what is causing his water retention.

Thank you!

490 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:46:20am

re: #461 Nevergiveup

U.S. Army chief: Iran has enough nuclear material to make bomb

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

This and the dow is in deep retreat. Oh Happy days?


[Video]Elvis lives!

Elvis lives indeed!

491 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:46:31am

re: #478 Lincolntf

Me too.

The Hollywood loons are still over there, right?

The articles I've read this morning say that they're there Saturday and today.

492 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:46:55am

re: #481 MandyManners
I like how Rush went after Franks and Dodd on that mess.

493 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:47:42am

re: #479 albusteve

last night he was waiting and hoping to see if BO can "right the ship"...he's out of it and obviously cannot believe his own eyes and ears...

He must be one of those who want CBBHO "to succeed". I wonder if he has microphone-envy toward Rush.

494 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:47:54am

re: #483 Lincolntf

They're on national TV today. I no longer live in the broadcast area, so this will be my first chance to see them with Marbury. Looking forward to it.

And today is March 1st.. My favorite month of the year! I NEED MY BRACKETS!
LOL

495 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:48:20am

re: #486 VioletTiger
Or as our good friend Chirtherprofessor would say "To a cat you are staff, to a dog you are family."

496 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:48:22am

Report: Pennsylvania Company Discovers Marine One Security Breach

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Well that's a change, usually it's the NY Times?

497 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:48:24am

re: #463 MandyManners

Cognito thinks Cloward-Piven Strategy is a bunch of hooey, a conspiracy theory.

Cognito is in love with his own metro-scepticism, methinks.

(Not saying anything more - don't wanna get Stinky's wrench on me head!)

498 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:48:26am

Say a prayer for our Aussie lizards, Down Under is on fire again.

499 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:48:27am

re: #480 avanti

To call it a conspiracy theory would be giving it way too much credit. It could be the next nirther theme to waste time and energy on though.

That nirther shit is just that: shit. The Cloward-Piven Strategy has been operating since the 1970s. READ THE FUCKING LINK.

500 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:48:57am

re: #489 BaseballMom57

Goddess (and all those who pray), thank you very much for all your prayers. Hubby is okay, but has gained back all the water weight he lost in the hospital. They've put him on a sodium-free diet (grocery shopping is HELL - I have been baking our own bread because there is no such thing as salt-free bread, at least in these parts), but he is still retaining the water. He's now on three different water pills. His nephrologist is baffled, and has ordered a 24-hr urine catch. If they don't figure it out here, we are thinking of heading down to Mayo in Scottsdale, but we're going to need the okie dokie from our insurance co., since last I checked, Mayo does not accept our plan. So please pray the doc(s) will figure out what is causing his water retention.

Thank you!

I've added that to the list.

501 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:49:28am

re: #488 nyc redneck

i agree
last week,i was talking w/ a young woman who attends west point.
i was very impressed w/ her. she carried herself like a soldier. her posture, her body language. tho she was very petite. she had confidence and pride and poise.when i mentioned O, she became very serious. she didn't say anything disparaging abt. him but her emphasis was on serving her COUNTRY.
it was her way of being respectful but it told me everything.

aaarrrggghhh

502 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:49:58am

re: #476 MandyManners

Soros was not a kapo in the camps. He did his bit outside.

That said, he has enough money to weather anything.

thanks for the correction, Mandy. but he is still a scumbag

503 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:50:11am

re: #489 BaseballMom57

May God grant you strength and Grace in this hour...
keep us updated..

504 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:50:46am

re: #485 MandyManners

Cognito would say your tin-foil hat looks loverly on you.

Which might mean something if I respected his opinions. He's right up there with JMV and Avanti.

505 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:50:53am

re: #492 pingjockey

I like how Rush went after Franks and Dodd on that mess.

Did he mention Countrywide Loans? (I was having puking issues yesterday so I missed a few things.)

506 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:51:14am

re: #499 MandyManners

How transparent is avanti being with the immediate comparison to "nirther" crap in order to marginalize without examination the C-P strategy?
I've only scanned a couple links, so my mind is not made up yet, but there's something telling about the fact that a Liberal wants to prevent discussion of it.

507 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:51:28am

re: #497 yma o hyd

Cognito is in love with his own metro-scepticism, methinks.

(Not saying anything more - don't wanna get Stinky's wrench on me head!)

Ooooh. Good one.

508 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:51:45am

re: #501 MandyManners

aaarrrggghhh

what happened?

509 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:51:56am

re: #502 _RememberTonyC

thanks for the correction, Mandy. but he is still a scumbag

One with no conscience, too!

510 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:51:59am

re: #493 MandyManners

He must be one of those who want CBBHO "to succeed". I wonder if he has microphone-envy toward Rush.

not sure...but he always uses a bunch of windy verbage to make it sound like I'm stupid...maybe I am but I'm taking his word for it...he pretends so see in between...master of nuance and it's really just bullshit imo

511 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:52:16am

re: #493 MandyManners
Hey Mandy, if Soros helped the nazis outside the camps, why in hell hasn't anyone got him busted for aiding and abetting in genocide? Lock his happy ass up and see how well his puppet strings work.

512 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:52:31am

re: #465 pingjockey

Damn, my condolences. How in hell did the froggies beat y'all?

Too many unforced errors by our lads - dropped balls, that sort of thing.
The Frogs got their last try in the dying minutes of the match.
Gah.
We hates them!

Mind - the players will be really really sorry, because they've had to face a very angry Shaun Edwards, who takes a defeat personally, and will take it out on them on the training paddock. Believe you me - an angry Shaun Edwards is not someone you want to meet!
The Italians will be very sorry we got beaten by the Frogs, because the lads know they have to make amends, big time amends!

513 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:52:34am

re: #504 ciaospirit

Which might mean something if I respected his opinions. He's right up there with JMV and Avanti.

Check out the latter's No. 480.

514 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:52:55am

ELBOW SORENESS PUSHES BACK HIS SPRING SCHEDULE

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Good Morning Flushing!

515 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:52:57am

re: #480 avanti

To call it a conspiracy theory would be giving it way too much credit. It could be the next nirther theme to waste time and energy on though.


It should be pretty obvious by now that Obama is going head-long into his socialist agenda. His budget makes this plain. He will not govern from the 'middle'. It's not even close. You could debate whether he is going for a 'tear it down and rebuild' strategy, but it is pretty hard to deny that he wants a socialist America. He is a full-on assault on capitalism.

516 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:53:20am

re: #505 MandyManners
Not specifically, but he did talk about how Fwank and Dodd acted like they were as pure as wind driven snow in this whole CRA mess.

517 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:53:24am

re: #506 Lincolntf

How transparent is avanti being with the immediate comparison to "nirther" crap in order to marginalize without examination the C-P strategy?
I've only scanned a couple links, so my mind is not made up yet, but there's something telling about the fact that a Liberal wants to prevent discussion of it.

I've a few links. I'll post them a bit later.

518 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:53:25am

later lizards ... have a good one

519 Chicago Blonde  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:53:28am

Be back later, everyone - need to do some laundry.

520 UncleRancher  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:53:40am

re: #510 albusteve

not sure...but he always uses a bunch of windy verbage to make it sound like I'm stupid...maybe I am but I'm taking his word for it...he pretends so see in between...master of nuance and it's really just bullshit imo

b.s. with a little whipped cream. Makes it go down easier for some.

521 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:54:03am

re: #500 goddessoftheclassroom Hey good morning {goddess} how are you doing today?

522 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:54:08am

re: #489 BaseballMom57


Sending prayers your way.

523 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:54:54am

re: #498 pingjockey

Say a prayer for our Aussie lizards, Down Under is on fire again.

Done - they were afraid this would happen again.

524 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:55:03am
525 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:55:07am

re: #512 yma o hyd
Unforced errors in any sport will do you in. Sounds like my high school football coach. Screw up in the game, the practice field turned into a little slice of hell!

526 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:55:08am

re: #520 UncleRancher

b.s. with a little whipped cream. Makes it go down easier for some.

then washed away with koolaid

527 UncleRancher  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:56:06am

re: #526 albusteve

then washed away with koolaid

That's the ticket.

528 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:56:31am

re: #521 realwest

Hey good morning {goddess} how are you doing today?

Good morning, Realwest!
Check your e-mails.

529 3 wood  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:56:56am

re: #439 MandyManners

I'm starting to think you are correct. I think he might actually want to destroy wealth in order to make everyone dependent on him.

530 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:57:00am

Does anybody have a link to the Rush talk from CPAC on podcast? We are driving up to see our daughter at college (between the snow storms) and I wanted to listen to it on the way. I have the video clips, but couldn't get them on my pod.

531 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:57:04am

re: #523 yma o hyd
There was a sattelite shot of the current fire, about 400k acres, next to it was a burned area from the previous fire. It looked to be about 4x the size!

532 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:57:30am
533 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:57:41am

Iran angered over films 'The Wrestler' and '300'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

So I guess if their Nuclear Power plant Suddenly were to blow up, they'd really be pissed?

534 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:58:02am

re: #530 VioletTiger

Does anybody have a link to the Rush talk from CPAC on podcast? We are driving up to see our daughter at college (between the snow storms) and I wanted to listen to it on the way. I have the video clips, but couldn't get them on my pod.

There is a clip on Drudge

535 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:58:30am

re: #524 taxfreekiller

So, any one seen the news on CBS about Al Gore giving his plane to an African county to use for emergency medical flights?

EXTREME SARCASM

I hear Al gore is going to cap and trade one day of energy usage at his House.
It should supply the energy to run a small African Country for one year..
/Isn't Al great?

536 DisgustingOratory  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:58:59am

#463 MandyManners

Thats the most interesing thing I've read for a while. Thank you for sharing (unable to up-ding).

537 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:59:10am

re: #528 reine.de.tout

Good morning, Realwest!
Check your e-mails.

{Reine} Hope today finds you well.

538 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:59:12am

re: #528 reine.de.tout
Good morning to you, too reine! Will do so shortly!
Hope you're doing well today!

539 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:00:03am

BBIAB, gotta take the kid to the ski bus.

540 UncleRancher  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:00:07am

re: #530 VioletTiger

Does anybody have a link to the Rush talk from CPAC on podcast? We are driving up to see our daughter at college (between the snow storms) and I wanted to listen to it on the way. I have the video clips, but couldn't get them on my pod.

They ran it again last night on CSPAN, and you can pick it up at [Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

541 3 wood  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:00:14am

re: #448 realwest

Read and replied. Sorry for the delay but I was working on the dulcimer I'm building in my basement workshop. I screwed something up on it last night and figured out a repair for it this morning and I could not wait to try it.

542 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:01:33am

re: #525 pingjockey

Unforced errors in any sport will do you in. Sounds like my high school football coach. Screw up in the game, the practice field turned into a little slice of hell!

Personally, I think they lost their composure.
The Frogs had done their homework, some of our players had an off-day, but I also think Gatland will have to rethink his strategy for the next games.
Big changes in the team to play Italy, thats for sure.
He usually removes those from the team sheet who done badly, and gives the next ones in line a chance.
Competition for the red jersey is very fierce, the training sessions will be pure hell.
Serves them right!

543 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:01:50am

snow storms?
ski bus?

ahhhaa!
sorry

544 mamashawna  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:02:21am

Got this from another website, have not checked the accuracy, but the point is made as regards to CBBHO:

Josef Stalin had a conference of Soviet Leaders at the Kremlin in the mid 1930's. In a cage at the end of the conference table was a single chicken, and none of the other leaders could imagine the point the eccentric, all powerful Stalin was trying to make. After keeping his senior leaders waiting for his arrival the "Man of Steel" Stalin had a quick announcement: "Comrades, I am going to give a demonstration of how to treat the Russian People." With that, Stalin went to the cage and plucked the bird clean while it was alive. The bird hysterically squealed and squirmed as Stalin plucked its feathers away and let them fall to the floor. He began a tirade of complaints against each of his ministers as he did this which left each man scared to death for his own survival. The leaders could not believe their eyes although none of them were strangers to cruelty, that the bird could long survive this. Once plucked, Stalin released the bloodied, fear ridden animal, reached into his greatcoat and threw a few kernels of corn on the floor that the bird slowly and quietly ate at the feet of its torturer. Stalin proceeded to the rest of his demands of his leaders. Frequently he stood and paced as he walked describing which food rations would be cut, the number of people who were to be arrested in his purges, and the instructions how they were to be slaughtered, tortured, or merely sent to Siberia to be worked to death. As he walked, following him closely was the chicken. The message was clear. Strip people of all health, prosperity, security, humanity and keep them fearful, and they will follow you.

545 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:03:07am

re: #543 albusteve

snow storms?
ski bus?

ahhhaa!
sorry

Hey Steve..Hope today finds you well..Gonna watch any Ball today?

546 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:03:33am

re: #510 albusteve

not sure...but he always uses a bunch of windy verbage to make it sound like I'm stupid...maybe I am but I'm taking his word for it...he pretends so see in between...master of nuance and it's really just bullshit imo

Oh, yeah. He's really into "nuance" and trying to lord if over us.

547 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:03:47am

re: #531 pingjockey

There was a sattelite shot of the current fire, about 400k acres, next to it was a burned area from the previous fire. It looked to be about 4x the size!

They have been preparing for this - advice has been given and warnings were spelt out for the last three days or so.
Still, its a horrendous situation, I hope they can get things under control. I understand the danger comes mainly from flying embers, vbown on by the strong winds.

548 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:04:11am

re: #511 pingjockey

Hey Mandy, if Soros helped the nazis outside the camps, why in hell hasn't anyone got him busted for aiding and abetting in genocide? Lock his happy ass up and see how well his puppet strings work.

Good question.

549 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:04:33am

re: #533 Nevergiveup

Iran angered over films 'The Wrestler' and '300'

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

So I guess if their Nuclear Power plant Suddenly were to blow up, they'd really be pissed?

of course they are angered over "300"
a hand full of hunky greeks kicking a multitude of puny persian asses.
and their bejeweled hapless flustered 7 ft. god/king only good for pouting.

550 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:04:33am

re: #541 3 wood Got it and replied, thanx!

551 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:04:48am

re: #544 mamashawna

When you got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow!

552 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:05:38am

re: #515 VioletTiger

It should be pretty obvious by now that Obama is going head-long into his socialist agenda. His budget makes this plain. He will not govern from the 'middle'. It's not even close. You could debate whether he is going for a 'tear it down and rebuild' strategy, but it is pretty hard to deny that he wants a socialist America. He is a full-on assault on capitalism.

He's told us who he is so I believe him. I never gave him one iota of the benefit of the doubt once I figured out who/what he is.

553 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:06:10am

re: #545 HoosierHoops

Hey Steve..Hope today finds you well..Gonna watch any Ball today?

next September!...I'm recovering from surgery and am just now out and about the ranchito in 70deg temps...as for BB I'll check in when the tourny starts

554 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:06:22am

re: #551 Nevergiveup

When you got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow!

I don't know about my heart..But I'm pretty sure my mind will follow..

555 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:07:03am

Found this on the Beeb:

Missiles 'kill seven' in Pakistan

'Missiles said to have been fired by US unmanned aircraft have killed seven people close to Pakistan's border with Afghanistan, Pakistani sources say.'

Any news of Code Pink protests yet?
///

556 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:08:28am
557 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:08:38am

re: #529 3 wood

I'm starting to think you are correct. I think he might actually want to destroy wealth in order to make everyone dependent on him.

Have you checked out Cloward-Piven?

Links.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: www.law01.net...]

558 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:08:56am

if they prosecuted Soros for aiding and abetting then by that reason they could prosecute the entire UN...nobody knows what that even means anymore...imo

559 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:09:11am

From the C-P article...
"Most Americans to this day have never heard of Cloward and Piven. But New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani attempted to expose them in the late 1990s. As his drive for welfare reform gained momentum, Giuliani accused the militant scholars by name, citing their 1966 manifesto as evidence that they had engaged in deliberate economic sabotage. "This wasn't an accident," Giuliani charged in a 1997 speech. "It wasn't an atmospheric thing, it wasn't supernatural. This is the result of policies and programs designed to have the maximum number of people get on welfare."

Giuliani isn't a sucker and he seems (seemed?) to think there was something to it.

560 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:09:12am

re: #549 nyc redneck

of course they are angered over "300"
a hand full of hunky greeks kicking a multitude of puny persian asses.
and their bejeweled hapless flustered 7 ft. god/king only good for pouting.

Pity, innit, like, that it actually happened in real life!

Ok, was some time ago - but as Mo and the RoP wasn't even a faint glimmer on the horizon for another few hundred years, why are they so annoyed? It happend to Persian kaffirs, didn't it?

561 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:09:14am

re: #506 Lincolntf

See No. 557 for some links.

562 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:09:21am

Peter Orszag, the Obamanation's director of OMB, on ABC this morning, refusing to answer any question, spouting agitprop garbage. Stupid little twerp three giant steps above his level of incompetence.

563 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:09:24am

New York Mets ace Johan Santana will return to New York on Monday for tests on his tender left elbow, general manager Omar Minaya said Sunday.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Ah Oh!

564 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:10:21am

re: #532 taxfreekiller

NOTICE


Be in on the slow ground floor.

ELECTRIC CAR COLLECTORS CLUB FORMING

contact poster

Avanti

on the littlegreenfootballs blog...

*snicker*

565 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:10:54am

re: #536 DisgustingOratory

#463 MandyManners

Thats the most interesing thing I've read for a while. Thank you for sharing (unable to up-ding).

I got it here ages ago.

566 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:11:37am
567 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:11:40am

re: #534 Nevergiveup


Thanks.
This also on Drudge:

'Largest public protest of global warming' ever in USA faces DC March snowstorm!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

LOL! Why does it snow every time they protest global warming?/

568 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:12:25am

re: #567 VioletTiger

Thanks.
This also on Drudge:

'Largest public protest of global warming' ever in USA faces DC March snowstorm!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

LOL! Why does it snow every time they protest global warming?/

Karma?

569 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:12:46am

re: #567 VioletTiger

Because the idiots always do it in the winter. You'd think they'd learn.

570 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:12:47am

re: #499 MandyManners

That nirther shit is just that: shit. The Cloward-Piven Strategy has been operating since the 1970s. READ THE FUCKING LINK.

Some of you can find a Commie conspiracy where ever you look. To have suddenly discovered a plan hatched 40 years ago to destroy capitalism and embrace it as a fact is just a hoot.
It's circular reasoning, decide BO is a Commie, then attach him to some obscure, 40 year old strategy. At some point, serious conservatives will need to take the wheel and look forward for solutions and not back to assign blame for their recent failures to conspiracies and the like.

571 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:13:06am

Our fearless leader creating unity...

Acknowledging that "tough times for America often mean tougher times for African-Americans," US President Barack Obama on Saturday called for more local and national engagement by fellow blacks.
"You know that tough times for America often mean tougher times for African Americans. This recession has been no exception," Obama told the 10th annual "State of the Black Union" gathering, noting that the unemployment rate among African-Americans is five points higher than the national average.


here

572 3 wood  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:13:16am

Expect to see the unemployment numbers for February jump when they come out. For any Obama defenders out there, your guy now owns this mess.

His irresponsible "catastrophe" talk all last month in order to drum up political support for his socialist take over of a major chunk of the economy contributed greatly to the economic train wreck. OK, he got what he wanted, huge amounts of deficit spending. Now what?

Here's what.

We will watch as massive amounts of private capital dries up, inflation heats up, and we have a rerun of Carters 1970's stagflation. You are going to see unemployment of 10% and inflation of 15%. You will see tax rates jump and the definition of "wealthy" get defined down to pay for all this. No to mention all the indirect taxes like Cap and Trade.

Obama wants to make fossil fuels much more expensive so that alternate sources become more affordable by comparison.

573 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:13:24am

re: #544 mamashawna

Got this from another website, have not checked the accuracy, but the point is made as regards to CBBHO:

Josef Stalin had a conference of Soviet Leaders at the Kremlin in the mid 1930's. In a cage at the end of the conference table was a single chicken, and none of the other leaders could imagine the point the eccentric, all powerful Stalin was trying to make. After keeping his senior leaders waiting for his arrival the "Man of Steel" Stalin had a quick announcement: "Comrades, I am going to give a demonstration of how to treat the Russian People." With that, Stalin went to the cage and plucked the bird clean while it was alive. The bird hysterically squealed and squirmed as Stalin plucked its feathers away and let them fall to the floor. He began a tirade of complaints against each of his ministers as he did this which left each man scared to death for his own survival. The leaders could not believe their eyes although none of them were strangers to cruelty, that the bird could long survive this. Once plucked, Stalin released the bloodied, fear ridden animal, reached into his greatcoat and threw a few kernels of corn on the floor that the bird slowly and quietly ate at the feet of its torturer. Stalin proceeded to the rest of his demands of his leaders. Frequently he stood and paced as he walked describing which food rations would be cut, the number of people who were to be arrested in his purges, and the instructions how they were to be slaughtered, tortured, or merely sent to Siberia to be worked to death. As he walked, following him closely was the chicken. The message was clear. Strip people of all health, prosperity, security, humanity and keep them fearful, and they will follow you.

WE ARE PLUCKED!

574 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:13:30am

re: #567 VioletTiger

Thanks.
This also on Drudge:

'Largest public protest of global warming' ever in USA faces DC March snowstorm!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

LOL! Why does it snow every time they protest global warming?/

proof there is a God...

575 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:14:18am

re: #570 avanti

Some of you can find a Commie conspiracy where ever you look. To have suddenly discovered a plan hatched 40 years ago to destroy capitalism and embrace it as a fact is just a hoot.
It's circular reasoning, decide BO is a Commie, then attach him to some obscure, 40 year old strategy. At some point, serious conservatives will need to take the wheel and look forward for solutions and not back to assign blame for their recent failures to conspiracies and the like.

what makes you think BO is NOT a commie?

576 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:14:28am
577 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:14:36am

re: #566 mamashawna
Excellent retort!
And it doesn't need to go from my lips to God's ears; Americans WILL figure out Obama in time - in spite of his "phased in to time with elections" stimulus plan and budget. We didn't come all this way, accomplish so much, help so many in need here and around the globe to let a little pissah like him screw us over like that.

578 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:14:44am

re: #569 Lincolntf

Because the idiots always do it in the winter. You'd think they'd learn.


You are right about that.
A few years back, we had global warming people show up at our door, wanting to talk to us and give us literature. It was January and 10F. My husband told them to come back when it was warmer.

579 3 wood  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:14:55am

re: #557 MandyManners

Some. I'm wary of conspiracy theories when it comes to economics, but this crew has been doing everything they can to wreck our economy.

580 mamashawna  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:14:57am

re: #573 MandyManners

LOL! Plucked indeed!

581 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:15:19am

re: #559 Lincolntf

From the C-P article...
"Most Americans to this day have never heard of Cloward and Piven. But New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani attempted to expose them in the late 1990s. As his drive for welfare reform gained momentum, Giuliani accused the militant scholars by name, citing their 1966 manifesto as evidence that they had engaged in deliberate economic sabotage. "This wasn't an accident," Giuliani charged in a 1997 speech. "It wasn't an atmospheric thing, it wasn't supernatural. This is the result of policies and programs designed to have the maximum number of people get on welfare."

Giuliani isn't a sucker and he seems (seemed?) to think there was something to it.

He lived in the belly of that beast.

582 3 wood  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:15:33am

Got to get ready for church.

Later.

583 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:16:39am

re: #566 mamashawna

My stepmom got REALLY pissed when I emailed them a recap of Obama's first month (found right here at LGF), she emailed back and said the person who compiled this had way too much time on their hands and to please not sent them any more of this garbage. I emailed one line back: Truth hurts, huh?

How did she respond?

584 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:16:41am

re: #570 avanti

May I respectfull suggest that you look into the LGF archives - you'll find that this ahs been slowly become clear to all of us here who've followed the election campaign.
It is not us who put a label on PB0 and then look for evidence - its precisely the other way round.

I'm sure you'll also find an excuse for Alinski and Ayers ...

585 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:16:45am

re: #570 avanti

Some of you can find a Commie conspiracy where ever you look. To have suddenly discovered a plan hatched 40 years ago to destroy capitalism and embrace it as a fact is just a hoot.
It's circular reasoning, decide BO is a Commie, then attach him to some obscure, 40 year old strategy. At some point, serious conservatives will need to take the wheel and look forward for solutions and not back to assign blame for their recent failures to conspiracies and the like.

where did you ever conceive a notion like this?...

586 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:17:07am

re: #570 avanti
Obambi is not a commie, yet. He is a goddamn socialist though, Just like FDR. Nationalize everything he can and make everyone dependent on the gov't.

587 mamashawna  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:17:09am

re: #583 MandyManners

How did she respond?

She didn't.

588 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:17:11am

re: #570 avanti

It doesn't seem all that "sudden". 12 years ago, Giuliani discussed it on the campaign trail. Prior to that (after the '66 article that spawned the notion), many writers, analysts and officials had made note of it, as evidenced by subsequent news articles, editorials, etc. available in the links from MM. Just read the links and see what you think.
I'm still looking for the original article from The Nation. I'd like to read that rather than someone else's explanation of it, if possible. Going to look for a link...

589 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:17:16am

re: #571 Killer Tomato
Wonder if there's such a thing as a State of the White Union or would that be racist?!
/

590 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:17:30am

re: #570 avanti

Some of you can find a Commie conspiracy where ever you look. To have suddenly discovered a plan hatched 40 years ago to destroy capitalism and embrace it as a fact is just a hoot.
It's circular reasoning, decide BO is a Commie, then attach him to some obscure, 40 year old strategy. At some point, serious conservatives will need to take the wheel and look forward for solutions and not back to assign blame for their recent failures to conspiracies and the like.


Nobody is looking for Commie links from 40 years ago you dumb F*ck
The Calls from the left from the last 2 years are clear and exact..
And really..you are an expert in circular reasoning...
you feeling me?

591 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:17:51am

re: #570 avanti

Some of you can find a Commie conspiracy where ever you look. To have suddenly discovered a plan hatched 40 years ago to destroy capitalism and embrace it as a fact is just a hoot.
It's circular reasoning, decide BO is a Commie, then attach him to some obscure, 40 year old strategy. At some point, serious conservatives will need to take the wheel and look forward for solutions and not back to assign blame for their recent failures to conspiracies and the like.

This is not the first time people have noticed what has happened.

592 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:18:04am

re: #570 avanti

Some of you can find a Commie conspiracy where ever you look. To have suddenly discovered a plan hatched 40 years ago to destroy capitalism and embrace it as a fact is just a hoot.
It's circular reasoning, decide BO is a Commie, then attach him to some obscure, 40 year old strategy. At some point, serious conservatives will need to take the wheel and look forward for solutions and not back to assign blame for their recent failures to conspiracies and the like.

So what do YOU think BHO is doing? Do you not see the foundations going in for a socialist America, or perhaps you see and you like?

593 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:18:34am

re: #500 goddessoftheclassroom

One of the articles I read on Paul Harvey said that at the age of 14 a teacher helped him get started because she saw the talent in him. May not have been a Paul Harvey if it weren't for that teacher. The story made me think of you.

594 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:18:51am

re: #572 3 wood

Obama wants to make fossil fuels much more expensive so that alternate sources become more affordable by comparison.

That would be counterproductive to say the least. I think it would make more sense to flood the market with cheap energy try to give the economy a kick start.

595 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:18:54am

re: #589 realwest
If you have to ask...

596 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:19:51am

re: #579 3 wood

Some. I'm wary of conspiracy theories when it comes to economics, but this crew has been doing everything they can to wreck our economy.

I don't see it as a conspiracy theory at all.

597 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:20:00am

re: #586 pingjockey

Obambi is not a commie, yet. He is a goddamn socialist though, Just like FDR. Nationalize everything he can and make everyone dependent on the gov't.

I don't think FDR hated America

598 KansasMom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:20:01am

re: #566 mamashawna

This is exactly the problem. Too many people seem to like getting plucked.

599 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:20:14am

avanti..describe BOs political ideology to me

600 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:20:40am

re: #594 Mich-again
They were showing some gov't buildings here in Wa. state. Using 'green' materials. IIRC, they cost almost 4x as much as using conventional materials.

601 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:21:03am

re: #589 realwest

Divide and conquer

602 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:21:04am

re: #587 mamashawna

She didn't.

Angry or tongue-tied over embarassment?

603 mamashawna  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:21:41am

re: #598 KansasMom

This is exactly the problem. Too many people seem to like getting plucked.

Especially if they take down a couple of 'the rich' in the process...makes 'em feel better while they're running around in the cold with no feathers...

Dumbasses...

604 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:21:52am

re: #588 Lincolntf

It doesn't seem all that "sudden". 12 years ago, Giuliani discussed it on the campaign trail. Prior to that (after the '66 article that spawned the notion), many writers, analysts and officials had made note of it, as evidenced by subsequent news articles, editorials, etc. available in the links from MM. Just read the links and see what you think.
I'm still looking for the original article from The Nation. I'd like to read that rather than someone else's explanation of it, if possible. Going to look for a link...

I know you'll share.

605 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:21:59am

re: #597 Nevergiveup
I don't either. FDR believed that bigger gov't was the answer. It isn't and never has been. Just get out of the way and let the American spirit work.

606 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:22:15am

re: #598 KansasMom

This is exactly the problem. Too many people seem to like getting plucked.

“Feather by feather the goose is plucked”

Scottish Proverb

607 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:22:24am

Here's an interesting tidbit.

His five-minute "The Rest of the Story" broadcasts featured historical vignettes with surprise endings like the story of the 13-year-old boy who receives a cash gift from Franklin Roosevelt and turns out to be Fidel Castro.

608 LC LaWedgie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:22:46am

Get yer $12,000 grant from Obama.

Hurry while it lasts!

lol

609 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:23:11am

Guess what has happened to Iraq hostile casualty numbers since Obama took office.

They are up.

In October, November and December we incurred 7 hostile deaths each month. January went up to 8. February ended with 12.

Obama's Terrorism Stimulus Package shows results.

610 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:23:29am

re: #603 mamashawna

Especially if they take down a couple of 'the rich' in the process...makes 'em feel better while they're running around in the cold with no feathers...

Dumbasses...

We are reaping the fruits of the seeds of class warfare waged by the DNC for years.

611 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:23:47am

re: #594 Mich-again
Hi Mich! But your comment assumes that Obama wants to give the economy a kick start. Many of us see a failing economy working to Obama's advantage right now (he can get away, with the MSM's complicity, on blaming Bush for another year or so, then he THINKS he can jump start the economy in time for the 2010 elections). The man may or may not be a communist, but he is a socialist and a narcissist through and through.

612 mamashawna  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:24:12am

re: #602 MandyManners

Angry or tongue-tied over embarassment?

She probably broke the computer! Either that or my Dad convinced her not to say anything. He's probably glad he's totally deaf and can turn his hearing aids off! I had to put up with a lot of Sarah bashing from her, and to be honest I kinda enjoy tweaking her now! Like Rush said to the caller the other day...Why do I tweak liberals? BECAUSE I CAN AND IT'S FUN!

613 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:24:13am

re: #607 ciaospirit

Here's an interesting tidbit.

nice read...thanks

614 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:24:28am

re: #594 Mich-again

That would be counterproductive to say the least. I think it would make more sense to flood the market with cheap energy try to give the economy a kick start.

Just think where many of us would be if the gasoline prices hadn't fallen. During the Bush Administration.

615 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:24:47am
616 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:24:56am

re: #609 karmic_inquisitor

Guess what has happened to Iraq hostile casualty numbers since Obama took office.

They are up.

In October, November and December we incurred 7 hostile deaths each month. January went up to 8. February ended with 12.

Obama's Terrorism Stimulus Package shows results.

As much as I hate to see it happen, I bet they will continue to mount. The enemy is always emboldened by cowardice at the top of its adversary.

617 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:24:59am

I would like to see these hollywad idiots stand and fight with the Iranian students who want FREEDOM.


COME ON HOLLYWAD - TAKE A STAB WOUND FOR FREEDOM!

618 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:25:12am

re: #610 MandyManners

We are reaping the fruits of the seeds of class warfare waged by the DNC for years.

Amen.

619 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:25:12am
620 abolitionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:26:13am

re: #107 littleoldlady

BTW, in case anyone was wondering...it's not a good idea to put your cellphone in the washing machine.

:-(

If have or can get some 90% isopropyl alcohol, you may be able make it work again. (Avoid the 70%.) Put cellphone into a Ziplock&trade baggie, along with about a cup of the 90% alcohol, close, and leave it for several hours. It may help to remove the battery pack, but it should go into the baggie too.

Optionally, you can include a clean just-dried cotton or wool sock, preferably still warm, to soak up some of that 10% water. A sock that has been at room temp for a while won't be very effective.

After soaking for several hours (or tens of hours) retrieve the cellphone (and battery), drain as much liquid as you can, and place in a warm spot to dry. The heat vent on top of computer case is good, and the airflow may help. Near a light bulb may work too, but not too close. (Microwave oven is a big no-no.) Leave it to dry for several days before you even think about turning it on again.

This has worked for me, more than once. YMMV.

621 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:26:19am

re: #609 karmic_inquisitor
This could be the terrorists feeling their oats because the one is now the CinC.

622 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:26:23am

re: #612 mamashawna

She probably broke the computer! Either that or my Dad convinced her not to say anything. He's probably glad he's totally deaf and can turn his hearing aids off! I had to put up with a lot of Sarah bashing from her, and to be honest I kinda enjoy tweaking her now! Like Rush said to the caller the other day...Why do I tweak liberals? BECAUSE I CAN AND IT'S FUN!

How has the whole relationship been between the two of you?

623 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:26:33am

18:07 On visit to Gaza, Blair calls for viable truce with Israel, end to blockade (Reuters

Did he bring his sister in law?

624 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:26:44am

re: #617 FrogMarch

I would like to see these hollywad idiots stand and fight with the Iranian students who want FREEDOM.

COME ON HOLLYWAD - TAKE A STAB WOUND FOR FREEDOM!

They only like taking stands for freedom when it's a situation no one's likely to act upon- like Tibet.

625 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:26:51am

Good morning Lizards.
Interesting blurb in the paper this morning. In Zimabwe, Mugabe is promising to continue the "land redistribution."
He said, "The few remaining White Farmers should quickly vacate their farms as they have no place here."
Uh, ya think that maybe he is racist? Justasking

626 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:27:10am
627 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:27:29am

re: #615 buzzsawmonkey

People have been complaining about Communist conspiracies for decades--and other people, equally, have been doing their best to impeded the exposure of conspiracies, to minimize the significance of those conspiracies that were actually uncovered, and to forgive the existence of such conspiracies when they happened to coincide, for the moment, with genuinely worthy goals.

Through it all, the objectives of the conspirators has never wavered--any more than the objective of the Arab world to destroy Israel has wavered in 60 years, any more than the objectives of jihadists has wavered (though it has waxed and waned in strength, which is not the same thing) for the last 1400 years.

The conspirators have progressively refined their propaganda techniques, extended their hold upon the universities which feed both the government and the media, and have been extraordinarily successful in presenting nefarious objectives as reasonable, and purveying them as the proper default position.

In this, they have been, and continue to be, materially aided by the willfully blind, who refuse to look at connections clearly made and results clearly traced to their origins.

GREAT GALLOPING GRAMSCIAN WHORES!

628 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:27:33am

re: #615 buzzsawmonkey

They've also been aided by those who keep saying that these are just bad conspiracy theories put up by people of ill will ...

Excellent post, buzzsawmonkey!

629 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:28:17am

re: #625 opnion

Good morning Lizards.
Interesting blurb in the paper this morning. In Zimabwe, Mugabe is promising to continue the "land redistribution."
He said, "The few remaining White Farmers should quickly vacate their farms as they have no place here."
Uh, ya think that maybe he is racist? Justasking

I saw that. I thought Jimmah convinced him to leave and like go live in Switzerland or something?

630 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:28:22am

re: #625 opnion

Good morning Lizards.
Interesting blurb in the paper this morning. In Zimabwe, Mugabe is promising to continue the "land redistribution."
He said, "The few remaining White Farmers should quickly vacate their farms as they have no place here."
Uh, ya think that maybe he is racist? Justasking

Good morning..Hope today finds you well...It's cold today isn't it?

631 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:28:33am

re: #570 avanti

This is the logic I see from BHO regarding the economy.

The medicine isn't working, in fact the patient is getting sicker. So we need to increase the dosage fast.

That is always where Democrats end up when they try to explain failure. Never that they did the wrong things to solve a problem, just that they didn't go far enough. I look for more of this from Obama.

632 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:28:54am

re: #618 ciaospirit

Amen.

And, the Gramscian attack on our society.

Oh, wait. Gramsci died a long time ago. Gotta' go adjust my tin-foil hat.

633 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:29:25am

re: #624 Sharmuta

They only like taking stands for freedom when it's a situation no one's likely to act upon- like Tibet.


The hollywad left only care about their own feelings and their own good intentions. Forget reality. If they really gave a crap about something worth giving a crap about - they would fight with the students of Iran. (or die in some lonely prison with a Tibetan monk)

634 mamashawna  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:29:42am

re: #622 MandyManners

How has the whole relationship been between the two of you?

I hated her when I was growing up...luckily I didn't need to spend much time with her, I lived with my Mom. I very distinctly remember telling her in so many words to go 'f'' herself when I was about 27 and we were on our way to my Grandfathers funeral. She said something about haha Shawna's gonna have to wear a dress (I hate dresses...always been a tomboy) and I basically told her haha Shawna is 27 years old now and will wear whatever she damn well pleases! Got along fine after that. She's not gonna guilt trip me the way she'd done my stepsister and half brother.

635 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:29:46am

re: #532 taxfreekiller

NOTICE

Be in on the slow ground floor.

ELECTRIC CAR COLLECTORS CLUB FORMING

contact poster

Avanti

on the littlegreenfootballs blog...

You can reduce our use of fossil fuels and still have collector cars, NASCAR and yes, private jets. One nuke power plant would reduce our carbon footprint by way more then eliminating all the collector cars and NASCAR for example.

636 Macker  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:29:55am

re: #625 opnion

Good morning Lizards.
Interesting blurb in the paper this morning. In Zimabwe, Mugabe is promising to continue the "land redistribution."
He said, "The few remaining White Farmers should quickly vacate their farms as they have no place here."
Uh, ya think that maybe he is racist? Justasking

Well we can't say "Ethnic Cleansing" can we? Only the JOOOs are assigned that task. By the UN of course.

Oh, and Good Morning Lizards!

637 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:30:01am

re: #624 Sharmuta

They only like taking stands for freedom when it's a situation no one's likely to act upon- like Tibet.

Is that because they secretly know that they have no real power?

638 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:30:22am
639 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:30:34am

Rep. Eric Cantor on ABC responds for the Republicans, gets his star turn. Eh. Newt, he ain't.

640 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:30:51am

re: #617 FrogMarch

I would like to see these hollywad idiots stand and fight with the Iranian students who want FREEDOM.

COME ON HOLLYWAD - TAKE A STAB WOUND FOR FREEDOM!

Mark Levin made a great comment about Sean Penn and his Academy Award "commie homo loving" comments. And how everybody said he had such courage to say it on national TV. Levin said it's easy to trash Americans when you're among hundreds of like minded Hollywooders. That takes no courage. How about speaking out in support of gays while in Iran? That would be real courage.

641 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:30:55am

re: #626 buzzsawmonkey

A stiff cold drink of reality with a lot of cowardice clinking in the glass is a really nasty thing.

You're the master of the puns.

642 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:31:24am

re: #635 avanti
Except we can't build nuke plants because the greens/leftists/algoreists won't let us!

643 Macker  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:31:46am

re: #639 itellu3times

Rep. Eric Cantor on ABC responds for the Republicans, gets his star turn. Eh. Newt, he ain't.

Expecting Instant Results, are we? Cut the guy some slack, please!

644 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:32:08am

re: #640 ciaospirit

Mark Levin made a great comment about Sean Penn and his Academy Award "commie homo loving" comments. And how everybody said he had such courage to say it on national TV. Levin said it's easy to trash Americans when you're among hundreds of like minded Hollywooders. That takes no courage. How about speaking out in support of gays while in Iran? That would be real courage.

Indeed.
Sean Penn is a child. He doesn't have a drop of real courage in him.

645 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:32:28am
646 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:32:34am

re: #639 itellu3times

Rep. Eric Cantor on ABC responds for the Republicans, gets his star turn. Eh. Newt, he ain't.

bummer...he is a Newtisti tho...maybe he will catch on

647 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:32:40am

re: #634 mamashawna

I hated her when I was growing up...luckily I didn't need to spend much time with her, I lived with my Mom. I very distinctly remember telling her in so many words to go 'f'' herself when I was about 27 and we were on our way to my Grandfathers funeral. She said something about haha Shawna's gonna have to wear a dress (I hate dresses...always been a tomboy) and I basically told her haha Shawna is 27 years old now and will wear whatever she damn well pleases! Got along fine after that. She's not gonna guilt trip me the way she'd done my stepsister and half brother.

Good for you! Oftentimes telling a bully to STFU backs 'em down.

648 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:33:20am

Katrina Vanden Heuvel says there's a ferocious urgency, so Obama should remake the universe.

649 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:33:23am

re: #625 opnion

Good morning Lizards.
Interesting blurb in the paper this morning. In Zimabwe, Mugabe is promising to continue the "land redistribution."
He said, "The few remaining White Farmers should quickly vacate their farms as they have no place here."
Uh, ya think that maybe he is racist? Justasking

and there goes the last hope and last stalk of wheat that will ever be grown in that country. "spreading misery around"
fck mugabe.

650 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:33:26am
651 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:33:38am

re: #644 FrogMarch
Please don't insult children. Penn is an asshat and a moonbat.

652 Killer Tomato  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:34:17am

re: Cloward-Piven
If you don't want to read a summary on the internet, Amazon has their books - I know there are people here who have a Kindle. (and I checked - there's no Cliff Notes version - sorry)

653 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:34:21am

re: #638 buzzsawmonkey

We need someone who can discuss tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories with the public in a way they will understand.

We need a Reynolds Rapper.

LOL!

Does Sylvia Spankhurts quality?

654 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:34:26am

re: #629 Nevergiveup

I saw that. I thought Jimmah convinced him to leave and like go live in Switzerland or something?

Now that we have a Deity/ President I am sure thet Mugabe will have a change of heart.

655 mamashawna  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:34:47am

Ok, it's been fun, but I need to get out in our shop and get some work done while we actually HAVE some work in our shop. Have a great day, Lizards, and thanks for the chat Mandy, I always love reading your posts! Especially if the clue bat is in heavy use :)

656 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:34:51am

re: #611 realwest

Hey RW. Whats up bro.

Many of us see a failing economy working to Obama's advantage right now

He better be careful playing with those matches. Wildfires spread fast and they're hard to put out.

657 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:34:54am

re: #651 pingjockey

Hmmm...asshat + moonbat = assbat, moonhat.

658 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:35:07am

re: #639 itellu3times

Rep. Eric Cantor on ABC responds for the Republicans, gets his star turn. Eh. Newt, he ain't.

He's young still. How old was Newt when he took the public stage?

659 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:35:46am

re: #630 HoosierHoops

Good morning..Hope today finds you well...It's cold today isn't it?

Right back at ya Hoops. Yes indeed it is cold, but we should get a warm up during the week.

660 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:35:52am

re: #648 itellu3times

Katrina Vanden Heuvel says there's a ferocious urgency, so Obama should remake the universe.

Who? Link?

661 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:35:59am
662 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:37:08am

Obambi "special interests and lobbyists", but not one word about unions.

663 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:37:18am

re: #650 taxfreekiller

avanti

Then your going to help us get Harry Reid and Nancy out of office.

They are the two main reasons we have no nuke plants now.

fool

check Harry Reid's vote record and who gives him re-election money.


Good point. The libs appear to hate nuclear energy almost as much as fossil fuels.

664 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:37:46am

re: #643 Macker

Rep. Eric Cantor on ABC responds for the Republicans, gets his star turn. Eh. Newt, he ain't.

Expecting Instant Results, are we? Cut the guy some slack, please!

Sorry, no can do.

There is a tide in the affairs of men. Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; ...

He already has more experience than Obama, and nobody cut him any slack.

665 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:37:48am

re: #645 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, you masters of words
You that make the bad puns...

--Bob Dylan, "Masters of Words"

My favorite Dylan.

666 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:37:56am

re: #652 Killer Tomato

Yeah, I've looked all over for a copy of the 1966 article, but "The Nation" website has it locked up tight. I'm not sure what they charge for archived articles, but once I saw "add-to-cart" and "$"on the page I went looking elsewhere. Someone must have it posted somewhere, maybe I'll try Kos/HuffPo.

667 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:38:05am

re: #630 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! Y'all said you wanted to tell me a story - what happened, Blackberry not recharged yet?!? LOL!

668 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:38:33am

re: #584 yma o hyd

May I respectfull suggest that you look into the LGF archives - you'll find that this ahs been slowly become clear to all of us here who've followed the election campaign.
It is not us who put a label on PB0 and then look for evidence - its precisely the other way round.

I'm sure you'll also find an excuse for Alinski and Ayers ...

One problem the right has is you are becoming the "blame" party. You are convinced the voters elected a Commie because of the MSN, ACORN and the anything else external to your own cause. The GOP has been losing voters since the Reagan revolution and you need to look inward for solutions at some point.

669 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:38:51am

re: #663 VioletTiger
The navy has been running reactors for 50 years with no accidents. A reactor from a carrier would run a town of 10k quite easily.

670 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:38:55am

re: #655 mamashawna

Have a great day!

671 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:38:58am

Avanti -

Take it from a former Democrat pro. There are two forces in your party - the coast liberal elites, and the midwestern populists.

You take every observation made about the liberals as an attack on you, a midwestern populist.

Well guess what? The midwestern populists have absolutely no power whatsoever. You're expected to wave to colors and come out and vote, and spend time accusing your conservative friends of being close minded and unfair.

The coastal liberals - the ones with all of the power - have a plan for this country. And, yes, it is based in Marxism. Not the variety that the world saw in the 1930's, or even in the 80's.

These liberals follow the ideology of Herbert Marcuse, a German Marxist who settled in La Jolla and gained a hug following in the 1960s and inspired people like Billy Ayers and Angela Davis.

Read Marcuse. His son has published Marcuse's works for free on the web. Then you will know what your superiors have planned for you. Marcusian thinking about post-industrial social engineering has you being more "authentically free" by removing many choices from your life. Their version of freedom requires your subjugation.

Don't believe me? Read Marcuse's comments on sports in One Dimensional Man and how he invokes Heidegger's metaphysics to demonstrate that watching sports is an inauthentic experience designed by an industrial culture intended to make you a consumer of industrial products. So he sees you and me as improperly engaged in self destructive behavior by consuming what they pedal, and that we can only be free of our "One Dimensional" lives by having the Left destroy those options.

Destroying a consumer culture is vital to Marcusian social engineering. Look around you and look at what Obama talks about and what is happening to the economy.

The consumer economy is being destroyed. Choices removed. And the government will come through and decide what choices will become available to you.

That is what is going on. It isn't an attack on the populists in the Democratic party. It is a focused attack on the totalitarian, elitist left.

Get out of the way or get crushed.

672 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:39:01am

re: #665 MandyManners

My favorite Dylan.


[Video]

heh...nice

673 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:39:05am

re: #636 Macker

Well we can't say "Ethnic Cleansing" can we? Only the JOOOs are assigned that task. By the UN of course.

Oh, and Good Morning Lizards!

re: #649 nyc redneck

and there goes the last hope and last stalk of wheat that will ever be grown in that country. "spreading misery around"
fck mugabe.


As the White farmers have left or been mudered the economy has tanked in Zimbawe. Food is not being produced & hyper-inflation is outt of control.
I look for Obama to ride to the rescue with our money.

674 itellu3times  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:39:27am

re: #660 MandyManners

Who? Link?

Queen of the libtards, known and loved from many talking head appearances.

675 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:39:41am

re: #617 FrogMarch

I would like to see these hollywad idiots stand and fight with the Iranian students who want FREEDOM.

COME ON HOLLYWAD - TAKE A STAB WOUND FOR FREEDOM!

Frank Miller and such of Hollywood as would stand with him should answer Iranian demands for an apology for '300' with these words: "Tyrants you were and tyrants you remain. We do not apologize for loving liberty and despising oppression. Give up totalitarianism and we shall have no quarrel."

676 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:40:04am

Two old men, one a retired professor of psychology and the other a retired professor of history, were sitting around on the porch of the hotel watching the sun to set.

The history professor said to the psychology professor, "Have you read Marx?"

To which the professor of psychology said, "Yes. I think they're from the wicker chairs."

677 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:41:30am

re: #635 avanti
Yep, but Obama will never build any more nuclear plants. Seriously. Read all of his pronouncements about alternative energy and you'll see no mention of Nuclear Power - moreover, he just agreed to not use Ycca Flats, Nevada (Dingy Harry Reids constitutents) for storage of nuclear waste even though it was UNANIMOUSLY recommended as the best place in the US to store such waste by a non-partisan committee of scientists.

678 KansasMom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:42:07am

re: #620 abolitionist
Awesome -- its bound to happen to me sooner or later (if not the washing machine, then the toilet or sink). I'm going to put your directions in my favorites.

679 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:42:07am

re: #668 avanti

Oh for crying out loud. I don't want to pile-on while you're already looking defensive and foolish, but the "blame" party?
You and yours blamed GW Bush for everything from 9/11 to the freaking weather and everything in between!
And your Messiah continues to do it this very day. Give it up.

680 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:42:09am

re: #650 taxfreekiller

avanti

Then your going to help us get Harry Reid and Nancy out of office.

They are the two main reasons we have no nuke plants now.

fool

check Harry Reid's vote record and who gives him re-election money.

I'll help you marginalize there far left agenda. They have already become upset with BO for not being left enough.

681 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:43:14am

re: #671 karmic_inquisitor

The consumer economy is being destroyed. Choices removed. And the government will come through and decide what choices will become available to you.

Two recent examples: light bulbs and on a smaller scale (for now) smart grids.

682 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:43:45am

BBIAB. As far as renewable energy, some leftist feel that hydroelectric power is not a "renewable" energy source. That ells me all I need to know about their agenda. Neo-Luddites.

683 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:44:25am

re: #668 avanti

One problem the right has is you are becoming the "blame" party. You are convinced the voters elected a Commie because of the MSN, ACORN and the anything else external to your own cause. The GOP has been losing voters since the Reagan revolution and you need to look inward for solutions at some point.

The sentence I emphasised is straight out of the propaganda manual of the neo-communist parties - Dems in your case, NuLab in mine.
It doesn't say anything, nor does it bring anything to the debate.

For the rest of your post - yes, conservative parties do have to look how to engage with a changed world, but so does every other party, Dems included.

As for us blaming the MFM and ACORN, gawd, where were you during the election campaing? On the Moon?

684 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:44:27am

re: #645 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, you masters of words
You that make the bad puns...

--Bob Dylan, "Masters of Words"

And finally, there was a man who sent ten different puns to friends, with the hope that at least one of the puns would make them laugh. Unfortunately, no pun in ten did.

685 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:44:35am

re: #673 opnion

As the White farmers have left or been mudered the economy has tanked in Zimbawe. Food is not being produced & hyper-inflation is outt of control.
I look for Obama to ride to the rescue with our money.

And I'll call him the fucking racist that he is.

686 DisgustingOratory  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:45:04am

#615 buzzsawmonkey

I wouldn't believe it myself if I didn't hear so many libs crying about "Neo-McCarthyism". Since most people are scared of using the 'C' word (not that 'C' word!), I believe they're getting it out there preemptively.

687 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:45:17am

re: #680 avanti

I'll help you marginalize there far left agenda. They have already become upset with BO for not being left enough.

if one believes in and votes in favor of communists doctrine, is that person a communist?

688 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:45:53am

re: #673 opnion

As the White farmers have left or been mudered the economy has tanked in Zimbawe. Food is not being produced & hyper-inflation is outt of control.
I look for Obama to ride to the rescue with our money.

And Zimbabweans are dying of Cholera ...

689 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:46:09am

re: #177 MandyManners

Not everyone.

An Irish Airman Forsees His Death

I KNOW that I shall meet my fate
omewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate,
Those that I guard I do not love;
My country is Kiltartan Cross,
My countrymen Kiltartan's poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public men, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tummult in the clouds;
I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind
In balance with this life, this death.

Thanks, Mandy. One of my favorites. "A lonely impulse of delight" - that's what I felt in my motorcycle-riding days. Bliss, and existing totally in the now.

690 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:46:23am

re: #685 ciaospirit

And I'll call him the fucking racist that he is.

He & the lovely Michelle.

691 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:46:34am

re: #675 Dark_Falcon

Frank Miller and such of Hollywood as would stand with him should answer Iranian demands for an apology for '300' with these words: "Tyrants you were and tyrants you remain. We do not apologize for loving liberty and despising oppression. Give up totalitarianism and we shall have no quarrel."

that would take courage. As established - hollywad is devoid of real courage.

692 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:46:44am

re: #685 ciaospirit

And I'll call him the fucking racist that he is.

he should be hunted down and put in chains...he is a murderer and has the UN in his pocket...so what does that make them?

693 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:48:02am

re: #688 yma o hyd

And Zimbabweans are dying of Cholera ...

A workers paradise without jobs!

694 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:48:25am

re: #667 realwest

Hey Hoops! Y'all said you wanted to tell me a story - what happened, Blackberry not recharged yet?!? LOL!

Back when I was a poor college grad..just got married..Had not been offered a government job working on Naval Nuclear reactors...We had a baby on the way..Realwest..We were really poor..A friend offered us some cash we really really needed.. I told him no..This is what he told me..
You know what is hard? Do you? You think me offering you this is hard? Do you?
No..What is hard is you accepting it..Your pride makes this the hardest thing you'll ever do.. That is what is hard..
You need to humble yourself right now and learn how to receive a gift before you learn how to give one..
That's my story to you my friend...

695 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:48:31am

re: #692 albusteve

he should be hunted down and put in chains...he is a murderer and has the UN in his pocket...so what does that make them?

Mugabe that is...bad fu

696 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:49:10am

re: #691 FrogMarch

that would take courage. As established - hollywad is devoid of real courage.

Most of it is but not all. I only seek a small number of people to say that. A counter message needs to be sent to Iran: Not all of us are weak and flacid as our "leader".

697 realwest  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:49:46am

re: #694 HoosierHoops
Woulda been better in an e-mail Hoops. Seriously. I won't answer on an open forum.

698 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:50:14am

re: #671 karmic_inquisitor

Avanti -

Take it from a former Democrat pro. There are two forces in your party - the coast liberal elites, and the midwestern populists.

You take every observation made about the liberals as an attack on you, a midwestern populist.

Well guess what? The midwestern populists have absolutely no power whatsoever. .


I won't disagree that there are those two factions in the party. I can only hope that the "midwestern populists" as you call them our not as powerless as you think. It's the job of both the moderate left and the right to restrain the far left.
The GOP has a similar power struggle going on, with the religious right wielding the power.

699 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:51:33am

re: #692 albusteve

he should be hunted down and put in chains...he is a murderer and has the UN in his pocket...so what does that make them?

That too. But I was referring to BHO if he supports that pig.

700 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:51:41am

re: #463 MandyManners

Cognito thinks Cloward-Piven Strategy is a bunch of hooey, a conspiracy theory.

You'd think that people would be curious enough to open the link and make a huge discovery.

701 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:52:00am

re: #687 albusteve

if one believes in and votes in favor of communists doctrine, is that person a communist?

Tsk Tsk, Marx was just progressive, he wasn't a Marxist.

702 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:52:02am

re: #694 HoosierHoops

Good morning... yes?

703 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:52:11am

re: #668 avanti

avanti,
You still haven't said what you think BHO is trying to do with the country. Do you think he is driving it toward socialism? If not, why do you see it otherwise?

704 KansasMom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:52:20am

re: #635 avanti

You can reduce our use of fossil fuels and still have collector cars, NASCAR and yes, private jets. One nuke power plant would reduce our carbon footprint by way more then eliminating all the collector cars and NASCAR for example.

The whole electric/hybrid car craze cracks me up.
I don't understand how its more 'green' and less wasteful to offload an older car because it uses more fuel than a newer one. Think of all the energy and materials used to produce a Prius. (A car which doesn't have half the expected life span of a gasoline guzzler.)
And the demonization of private jets is a sore spot. It is single-handedly destroying the economy of Wichita KS, a city that produces more aircraft than anywhere else in the world. Combined. At least it used to be before our government decided to make business jets a pariah.

705 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:52:29am

re: #689 Cato the Elder

Thanks, Mandy. One of my favorites. "A lonely impulse of delight" - that's what I felt in my motorcycle-riding days. Bliss, and existing totally in the now.

I first discovered the poem when dating a future Marine chopper pilot in college.

706 irongrampa  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:52:56am

re: #700 debutaunt

Theory? It's a STRATEGY!

707 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:53:34am

re: #674 itellu3times

Queen of the libtards, known and loved from many talking head appearances.

It seems she was born into her position.

708 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:54:03am

Tenn. sheriff looks to serve 80-year-old warrant

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

709 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:54:07am

re: #681 ciaospirit

Two recent examples: light bulbs and on a smaller scale (for now) smart grids.

Don't forget low-pressure toilets!

710 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:54:51am

re: #698 avanti

I won't disagree that there are those two factions in the party. I can only hope that the "midwestern populists" as you call them our not as powerless as you think. It's the job of both the moderate left and the right to restrain the far left.
The GOP has a similar power struggle going on, with the religious right wielding the power.

very odd comment since you yourself clearly represent the far left

711 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:55:19am

re: #674 itellu3times

Queen of the libtards, known and loved from many talking head appearances.

She makes me want to heuvel.

712 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:55:43am
713 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:56:14am

re: #683 yma o hyd

The sentence I emphasised is straight out of the propaganda manual of the neo-communist parties - Dems in your case, NuLab in mine.
It doesn't say anything, nor does it bring anything to the debate.

For the rest of your post - yes, conservative parties do have to look how to engage with a changed world, but so does every other party, Dems included.

As for us blaming the MFM and ACORN, gawd, where were you during the election campaing? On the Moon?

Sure the MSN was a factor, ACORN not so much since the margin of victory was much larger then any possible fraud. I'm talking about the critical self analysis on how to engage like this.

714 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:56:17am

Avanti -

I am handing you the clue phone.

Look up recent articles on Kirsten Gillibrand.

She is the gun owning, blue dog Democrat that was the representative for New York's 20th congressional district. She was moved up to Hillary Clinton's Senate seat a month ago.

She was loved and championed by Democrats prior to joining the Senate because she was a populist that beat a Republican incumbent in a Republican district 4 years ago.

Now she is being crucified by the same Democrats. They hate her.

Why?

She is pro gun and therefore "out of step" with "the rest" of the party.

National Democrats, helped by Chuck Schumer, are working to find a Democrat to take her out in the next election. She fails the strict and overbearing ideology test that exists in the Democratic party.

That should get you thinking about what populists are expected to contribute to the Democrats.

Short answer - "vote and shut up" - that is what the Coast liberals expect from you.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

715 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:56:39am

re: #700 debutaunt

You'd think that people would be curious enough to open the link and make a huge discovery.

I have no idea if he has or if he got his opinion from the link to one article I posted the other day and that Kenneth posted yesterday.

716 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:56:40am

re: #697 realwest

Woulda been better in an e-mail Hoops. Seriously. I won't answer on an open forum.

LOL You have always been a man of principle...Sorry

717 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:56:48am

re: #701 opnion

Tsk Tsk, Marx was just progressive, he wasn't a Marxist.

who wouldn't want to be 'progressive'?...so clever eh?

718 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:57:17am

Cradle to Grave - Obama and co want the world in a cradle.

A huge and complicated new tax on energy, which is essentially a tax on all economic activity, will not spur those vigorous growth rates, and neither will the new federal health insurance regulatory scheme—directed as it is toward creating the conditions for basically putting the entire country on Medicare. These are not only bad ideas, they are bad ideas suited to a time of plenty. In this lean time, they seem astonishingly counterproductive.

719 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:57:51am

re: #704 KansasMom

The whole electric/hybrid car craze cracks me up.
I don't understand how its more 'green' and less wasteful to offload an older car because it uses more fuel than a newer one. Think of all the energy and materials used to produce a Prius. (A car which doesn't have half the expected life span of a gasoline guzzler.)
And the demonization of private jets is a sore spot. It is single-handedly destroying the economy of Wichita KS, a city that produces more aircraft than anywhere else in the world. Combined. At least it used to be before our government decided to make business jets a pariah.

Just one of the eggs to be broken for the omelet.

720 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:58:48am

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."

So said White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in November, and Democrats in Congress are certainly taking his advice to heart.

721 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:59:50am

re: #698 avanti

I won't disagree that there are those two factions in the party. I can only hope that the "midwestern populists" as you call them our not as powerless as you think. It's the job of both the moderate left and the right to restrain the far left.
The GOP has a similar power struggle going on, with the religious right wielding the power.

You see plenty of that struggle going on here.

And look at the Gillibrand link I just posted. Read other stories written about her in the last week.

She is being destroyed. The media is helping (branding her "inexperienced," when she has more experience than Obama did when he entered the Senate) .You can watch it in slow motion.

Populists have no power in the Democratic party. None. Just show up and vote.

722 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:00:02am
723 J.S.  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:00:37am

re: #570 avanti

O a plague on both your houses! (imo, to suggest it's all about a "Commie" thing and/or it's about smearing Obama as a "communist" -- that's a straw man argument. On the other hand, to suggest some secret conspiracy to ruin the U.S. economy -- well, no. One need not resort to a "conspiracy" (or some secret goings-on) when everything's out in the open. Just take a look at Obama's policies, and it's not a "secret" that a massive U-turn is underway. But the crux of the matter is not about "Communism", rather it's about the creation of a European-style cradle to grave welfare state. That is a state which looks after all risk for its citizens -- provides everything. The exchange, of course, involves (eventually) a massive bureaucracy to "weed out the cheater" (look at Obama's mortgage assistance plans). Here's a quote from Wiki on Welfare States:

...the state is primarily concerned with directing the resources to “the people most in need”. This requires a tight bureaucratic control over the people concerned, with a maximum of interference in their lives to establish who are "in need" and minimize cheating. The unintended result is that there is a sharp divide between the receivers and the producers of social welfare, between "us" and "them", the producers tending to dismiss the whole idea of social welfare because they will not receive anything of it. This model is dominant in the US.
724 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:01:13am
725 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:01:18am

re: #720 ciaospirit

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."

So said White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in November, and Democrats in Congress are certainly taking his advice to heart.

it's hard...I was proud of my ignorance here at LGF...now I have to pass my seat on to someone else...not that I'm have moved up...amazing

726 Lincolntf  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:01:30am

re: #720 ciaospirit

Rahm, Obama's alpha weasel, was on TV this morning blaming Bush and defending hundreds of billions in earmarks.
When I look at him, I see a resignation in disgrace somewhere in his future. He lives to manipulate and deceive, you can tell.

727 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:01:35am

re: #704 KansasMom

The demonization of private jests is part of the demonization of capitalism. It is a symbol of wealth that the left uses to demean business leaders. Everything they are doing is designed to give capitalism a black eye.

728 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:02:12am

re: #720 ciaospirit

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."

So said White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in November, and Democrats in Congress are certainly taking his advice to heart.

Forty years, eh?

729 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:02:26am

re: #713 avanti

Sure the MSN was a factor, ACORN not so much since the margin of victory was much larger then any possible fraud. I'm talking about the critical self analysis on how to engage like this.

I see that a lot of the debates during the election campaign seems to have passed you by.
Did you agree with the way PB0's nomination came about? Ever heard of PUMAs?
It is not the case that there was massive local voter registration fraud going on? That can be overlooked now, in your opinion, because PB0 won by such a large margin?
I'm not even going to mention the way the MFM, who delved into Palin's rubibsh bins, were incapable of fidning out anything which might have taken the gloss of their preferred candidate, thus depriving the American people of the cahnce of making up their own minds.

As for that link - yes, sure, that has to happen. But that is for the present and future, we're talking about the past few months here. Mixing them up, like you do, is intellectually dishonest.

730 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:02:31am

re: #703 VioletTiger

avanti,
You still haven't said what you think BHO is trying to do with the country. Do you think he is driving it toward socialism? If not, why do you see it otherwise?

No question we a headed that way, GW started it with TARP 1, and Obama has accelerated it. My hope is that they both felt some temporary socialism is better than a collapse of the economy. i.e., we might need to take temporary control of some banks at some point, even some conservatives are suggesting as much. I don't like it, you don't like it, but it may be necessary.

731 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:03:35am
732 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:04:04am

re: #717 albusteve

who wouldn't want to be 'progressive'?...so clever eh?

It is Orwellian with the language. Call far left ideas 'Progressive"
Call censorship, "The Fairness Doctrine"
Call the removal of Secret Ballots, 'Card Check"
It goes on.

733 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:04:57am

re: #710 albusteve

very odd comment since you yourself clearly represent the far left

To you, I may seem to be, but I can assure you I'm as far right of Polisi as I'm to the left of you.

734 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:05:29am

re: #724 buzzsawmonkey

We're going to turn your society to sh*t--but no pressure.

Isn't it now illegal to install an older toilet in new homes now? How soon before incandescent bulbs are outlawed?

735 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:06:12am

re: #726 Lincolntf

Rahm, Obama's alpha weasel, was on TV this morning blaming Bush and defending hundreds of billions in earmarks.
When I look at him, I see a resignation in disgrace somewhere in his future. He lives to manipulate and deceive, you can tell.

"Thug in Tights" Rahm does Ballet dancing for exercise.

736 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:06:45am

re: #733 avanti

To you, I may seem to be, but I can assure you I'm as far right of Polisi as I'm to the left of you.

How far from JMV?

737 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:07:31am

re: #731 buzzsawmonkey

Me, I like this one.

He made angst pretty.

738 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:07:37am

re: #731 buzzsawmonkey

Me, I like this one.

pissed off to perfection...

739 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:07:49am
740 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:08:22am

re: #737 MandyManners

He made angst pretty.

yes, exactly...

741 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:08:38am

re: #734 MandyManners

Isn't it now illegal to install an older toilet in new homes now? How soon before incandescent bulbs are outlawed?

Here ya go.

The incandescent light bulb, one of the most venerable inventions of its era but deemed too inefficient for our own, will be phased off the U.S. market beginning in 2012 under the new energy law just approved by Congress.

742 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:09:14am

Gone upstairs!

743 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:09:15am

re: #732 opnion

It is Orwellian with the language. Call far left ideas 'Progressive"
Call censorship, "The Fairness Doctrine"
Call the removal of Secret Ballots, 'Card Check"
It goes on.

Isn't the notion of carbon credits Orwellian in that it's okay to use a lot of fuel as long as you pay for it?

744 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:10:21am

re: #741 ciaospirit

What next will be shoved down our throats for our own good?

Pluck away. Pluck away.

745 KansasMom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:10:31am

re: #727 VioletTiger

The demonization of private jests is part of the demonization of capitalism. It is a symbol of wealth that the left uses to demean business leaders. Everything they are doing is designed to give capitalism a black eye.

Yes, it is. The only thing is there are a lot of hard-working, democrat-supporting union members that build those planes. I would hope that all the layoffs in town would open their eyes. But oddly, it doesn't look that way. More like the chicken getting plucked.
Scary times, these.

746 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:11:04am

re: #730 avanti

No question we a headed that way, GW started it with TARP 1, and Obama has accelerated it. My hope is that they both felt some temporary socialism is better than a collapse of the economy. i.e., we might need to take temporary control of some banks at some point, even some conservatives are suggesting as much. I don't like it, you don't like it, but it may be necessary.


The bank issue is just a small part of it.
The new health care proposals, the new tax proposals, education, etc ate all driving toward socialism. Business is painted as evil, and business leaders are vilified. These programs have never worked before, and they will not work now. You can't keep taking away from the producers and giving to the non-producers. It is not sustainable.

747 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:11:09am
748 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:11:21am
749 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:12:22am

re: #748 buzzsawmonkey

See my #741.

750 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:12:31am

re: #743 MandyManners

Isn't the notion of carbon credits Orwellian in that it's okay to use a lot of fuel as long as you pay for it?


Oh yeah & particularly if you are Al Gore. The faux Cassandra creates hysteria & then leaves a huge Carbon footprint.
Then he buys Carbon Credits, you know plant a tree, but he buys them from himself, it's his company.

751 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:12:37am
752 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:12:53am

re: #741 ciaospirit

There's that "gradual" and "phased" idea again. Gramscism surely is an elastic concept.

753 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:13:07am

re: #741 ciaospirit

Those twisty lightbulbs suck! They don't last worth a dam, at least not in my house.

754 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:13:25am
755 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:14:00am

re: #729 yma o hyd

As for that link - yes, sure, that has to happen. But that is for the present and future, we're talking about the past few months here. Mixing them up, like you do, is intellectually dishonest.

OK, I should let you bitch about the past with but one comment. The past is just that, the future is your only hope. I may be the only one that noticed Coulters entires speech was directed at ridiculing every Democratic President back to FDR. A feel good moment for the faithful, but not much more. Hell, she spent more time beating up yet again on Clinton then offering alternatives. Then Rush comes on to say the GOP needs to look back for inspiration, not forward. If Rush is the new leader of the GOP, you guys are screwed IMHO. You may well earn the majority of your base, but if the base is less then 40% of the electorate, what's the point ?

756 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:14:54am

re: #753 VioletTiger

Those twisty lightbulbs suck! They don't last worth a dam, at least not in my house.

Not only that. Do you think people are going to dispose of those MERCURY bulbs responsibly? That's the next mess we'll have to clean up.

757 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:15:34am

re: #746 VioletTiger

The bank issue is just a small part of it.
The new health care proposals, the new tax proposals, education, etc ate all driving toward socialism. Business is painted as evil, and business leaders are vilified. These programs have never worked before, and they will not work now. You can't keep taking away from the producers and giving to the non-producers. It is not sustainable.

The collapse will be used by CBBHO to demand more trashing of business.

758 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:16:49am

re: #747 taxfreekiller

better use of your posting and time would be to go back within the commie cult at Kos Kids Kommie Kult and detour that bunch of loons

little your mind games will do here, heads work here within lgf's

or did the borg cast you out like they intend to cast out the U.S. Constitution?

tfk, I agree avanti is often wrong but give some credit: He served our nation honorable in the Vietnam War and he is no moonbat. Ultimately, our nation needs moderate Dems like him, if for nothing else than to act as a counter weight to us.

759 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:17:22am
760 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:17:28am

re: #751 buzzsawmonkey

Yet the banning of incandescent light bulbs says exactly the opposite.

Excellent point. I'm going to keep buying incandescents hopefully from Japan. They banned mercury in all products. Besides I like incandescent bulbs!

761 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:18:19am

re: #755 avanti
Good morning Avanti. Where were we? Do you now concede that Obama actually did criticise the Constitution for not having an "Economic Justice" provision during an NPR interview when he was in the Illinois Senate?

762 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:18:26am

re: #757 MandyManners

The collapse will be used by CBBHO to demand more trashing of business.

I wish there were a way to let more people see that.

763 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:18:41am

re: #748 buzzsawmonkey

I believe there is at least a state law in NY that has outlawed incandescent bulbs beginning in a year or two. Certainly there have been initiatives for this purpose already at the state and federal levels.

The notion that I cannot burn electricity I can afford to pay for in the manner I wish to burn it is deeply offensive. And a government that can regulate my f*cking light bulbs can regulate anything. But this is the sort of thing which can be sold to a populace prepared to docility for the sake of "the environment" which creates a precedent most people don't consider. I regard it as of a piece with the current law banning the sale of children's books printed prior to 1985 on the grounds that there are trace elements of lead in the printing ink; a complete erosion of individual choice and a total interference in human lives for no good reason, justified on spurious grounds of public safety or bogus social responsibility.

Don't forget the proposal that was floated in California to take control of a home's thermostat away from the owner.

The thermostat and light bulb, though, pale in comparison to the removal of children's books published before 1985. I will not be surprised if there's a demand that we do the same for adult books published before then based on the notion that adults cannot be trusted to keep their dangerous books away from kids.

764 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:18:55am

re: #755 avanti

OK, I should let you bitch about the past with but one comment. The past is just that, the future is your only hope. I may be the only one that noticed Coulters entires speech was directed at ridiculing every Democratic President back to FDR. A feel good moment for the faithful, but not much more. Hell, she spent more time beating up yet again on Clinton then offering alternatives. Then Rush comes on to say the GOP needs to look back for inspiration, not forward. If Rush is the new leader of the GOP, you guys are screwed IMHO. You may well earn the majority of your base, but if the base is less then 40% of the electorate, what's the point ?

Agreed. We must grow our base or fail. How would you suggest we do so, sir?

765 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:19:16am

re: #746 VioletTiger

The bank issue is just a small part of it.
The new health care proposals, the new tax proposals, education, etc ate all driving toward socialism. Business is painted as evil, and business leaders are vilified. These programs have never worked before, and they will not work now. You can't keep taking away from the producers and giving to the non-producers. It is not sustainable.

I can't disagree with any of the above except the part about it not working, that still remains to be seen. As with every cycle, if we swing to far left or right, the voters will correct.

766 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:20:27am

re: #750 opnion

Oh yeah & particularly if you are Al Gore. The faux Cassandra creates hysteria & then leaves a huge Carbon footprint.
Then he buys Carbon Credits, you know plant a tree, but he buys them from himself, it's his company.

re: #751 buzzsawmonkey

Yet the banning of incandescent light bulbs says exactly the opposite.

Are there new companies out there manufacturing and selling the new light bulbs or, is it restricted to GE and Westinghouse?

767 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:21:20am
768 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:21:22am

re: #762 VioletTiger

I wish there were a way to let more people see that.

everybody like a party...the tea parties have potential

769 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:21:44am

re: #756 ciaospirit

Not only that. Do you think people are going to dispose of those MERCURY bulbs responsibly? That's the next mess we'll have to clean up.

You are right. The majority of them will be in the regular trash.
I grow hundreds of plants under fluorescent bulbs and twice a year make a trek to a facility that collects them. They are not something for the regular trash, but I'll bet many people don't know that.

770 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:21:52am

re: #756 ciaospirit

Not only that. Do you think people are going to dispose of those MERCURY bulbs responsibly? That's the next mess we'll have to clean up.

Don't be surprised when the price goes up to pay for their disposal. Or, a hike in our regular garbage-removal rates. Or, a hike in our property taxes.

771 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:22:22am
772 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:22:58am

re: #770 MandyManners

Don't be surprised when the price goes up to pay for their disposal. Or, a hike in our regular garbage-removal rates. Or, a hike in our property taxes.

there will a 'light tax'

773 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:22:59am

re: #762 VioletTiger

I wish there were a way to let more people see that.

Rush seems to be a good voice about that. Thanks to CBBHO, his audience is growing.

774 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:23:23am

I'm out for the day. Back tonight.

775 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:23:32am

re: #758 Dark_Falcon

tfk, I agree avanti is often wrong but give some credit: He served our nation honorable in the Vietnam War and he is no moonbat. Ultimately, our nation needs moderate Dems like him, if for nothing else than to act as a counter weight to us.

And we need the right to do the same to restrain the left, well said.

776 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:23:48am
777 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:25:51am

re: #765 avanti

I can't disagree with any of the above except the part about it not working, that still remains to be seen. As with every cycle, if we swing to far left or right, the voters will correct.


These programs have never worked before, and they will not work now. You can't keep taking away from the producers and giving to the non-producers. It is not sustainable.

What part about taxing the shit out of producers and giving to those who produce nothing do you think needs to be given the benefit of the doubt?

778 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:26:25am

re: #765 avanti

I can't disagree with any of the above except the part about it not working, that still remains to be seen. As with every cycle, if we swing to far left or right, the voters will correct.

What could possibly work? What possible good things can come out of this agenda? I am really trying to understand your POV. What do you think will work and why?

779 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:26:27am

re: #776 buzzsawmonkey

A heavy light tax.

when light beams escape outside your residence there will a light pollution tax...there will be dirty light, light noise, usable light credits...etc

780 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:26:28am
781 KansasMom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:26:40am

re: #769 VioletTiger

You are right. The majority of them will be in the regular trash.
I grow hundreds of plants under fluorescent bulbs and twice a year make a trek to a facility that collects them. They are not something for the regular trash, but I'll bet many people don't know that.

I didn't know that...wouldn't know where to take them now that I do know. And yes, I have pitched them in the regular trash.

782 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:27:15am

re: #771 buzzsawmonkey

One of the things that really gets me about the book ban is that there appears to be no exception for selling such books with a hazardous warning label--as, for example, is done with packs of cigarettes.

In other words, books which have absolutely no record of harming anyone physically are apparently more dangerous to traffick in--despite the fact that anyone currently of voting age surely came in contact with them without sustaining physical harm--than the tobacco products routinely decried as packages of death.

It's a part of the full-on destruction of our heritage.

783 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:28:00am

re: #772 albusteve

there will a 'light tax'

I think it'll be hidden in the prices/taxes we already pay.

784 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:28:43am

re: #782 MandyManners

It's a part of the full-on destruction of our heritage.

Little Black Sambo
Brier Rabbit

785 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:28:52am

re: #776 buzzsawmonkey

A heavy light tax.

But, we might be kept in the dark about it, per my No. 783.

786 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:29:13am

re: #764 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. We must grow our base or fail. How would you suggest we do so, sir?

Oh shit, now I'm in for some flack. For me, give me a fiscally conservative candidate that is not beholden to the far right social conservatives. I can deal with a pro life party if a constitutional amendment is not part of the platform, the same with gay marriage. Give me a ID'er or someone that wants prayer in public schools and I'll run to the left.

787 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:29:25am
788 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:29:30am

re: #785 MandyManners

But, we might be kept in the dark about it, per my No. 783.

yes, dark light tax

789 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:30:24am
790 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:30:43am

re: #784 albusteve

Little Black Sambo
Brier Rabbit

It's not that at all. It is the confiscation and destruction of ALL children's books printed before 1985. ALL.

BTW, Briar Rabbit is not a book. It's a character in Song of the South.

791 jaunte  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:30:57am

re: #778 VioletTiger

What could possibly work? What possible good things can come out of this agenda? I am really trying to understand your POV. What do you think will work and why?

Keep asking that.

792 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:31:06am

re: #786 avanti

Oh shit, now I'm in for some flack. For me, give me a fiscally conservative candidate that is not beholden to the far right social conservatives. I can deal with a pro life party if a constitutional amendment is not part of the platform, the same with gay marriage. Give me a ID'er or someone that wants prayer in public schools and I'll run to the left.

it'd good that you disagree with Roe vs Wade

793 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:31:51am

re: #773 MandyManners

Rush seems to be a good voice about that. Thanks to CBBHO, his audience is growing.


You are right about that. I read a comment last night that said something about BHO 'awaking the sleeping dragon' by calling out Rush.

794 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:32:12am

re: #789 buzzsawmonkey

Yes.

BTW, I spoke to a fellow-congregant at my synagogue yesterday--hip young photographer, lovely daughter a few years old--and in the process quoted Groucho Marx.

This hip young guy had never seen a Marx Brothers movie. Knew they existed, had never thought to view one. I mentioned this to another congregant about my age, and he mentioned that he has a nephew who simply refuses to watch any film in black and white. He cannot process it.

They never seen a Marx Brothers movie?! Oh, the brain...it hurts.

795 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:32:52am

re: #790 MandyManners

It's not that at all. It is the confiscation and destruction of ALL children's books printed before 1985. ALL.

BTW, Briar Rabbit is not a book. It's a character in Song of the South.

right...my point is that it's an erasure from the minds and memories...veiled such as it is nothing is safe

796 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:33:14am

re: #793 VioletTiger

You are right about that. I read a comment last night that said something about BHO 'awaking the sleeping dragon' by calling out Rush.

I trust Rush is keeping track of the new Fairness Doctrine, whatever name it comes under.

797 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:33:43am
798 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:34:08am

re: #795 albusteve

right...my point is that it's an erasure from the minds and memories...veiled such as it is nothing is safe

I wish this story would be picked up by Rush and Hannity.

799 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:34:08am

Have a great day all. Off to visit my wonderful daughter up in college and take her out for a good meal.

800 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:34:11am

re: #777 MandyManners

These programs have never worked before, and they will not work now. You can't keep taking away from the producers and giving to the non-producers. It is not sustainable.

What part about taxing the shit out of producers and giving to those who produce nothing do you think needs to be given the benefit of the doubt?

I don't agree with Rush's speech that a CEO is paid millions so he can buy a $5000 trash can while his company lost money should be cool with me. We've always had a regressive tax, and allowing the BUSH tax cuts to expire does not concern me. Marginal rates were much higher under Reagan and no one was screaming wealth redistribution.

801 lostlakehiker  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:36:14am

re: #53 IslandLibertarian

that that is is that that is not is not that is it

/fill in the punc's

That that is, is. That that is not, is not. That is it.

that that is is not that that is not that is if that that is not is not that that is

your move

802 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:36:29am

re: #797 buzzsawmonkey

No, Br'er Rabbit is a character in The Tales of Uncle Remus by Joel Chandler Harris, on which Song of the South is based.

Uncle Remus is an ex-slave who tells folktales, in dialect, to the young white son of the family for whom he works. The book came out in the 1880s (there is a story about the book's popularity in Kipling's boarding school; "The United Idolaters," which is one of the Stalky & Co. stories).

Eeks! In one dusty corner of my mind I knew it was based on a book
but I couldn't dredge it up in time to post. Thanks for setting me straight.

I had a cat named Remus. His nose looked like someone had smeared tar on it so I thought about naming him Tar Baby but, Remus was easier and quicker to say.

803 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:37:55am

re: #750 opnion

Oh yeah & particularly if you are Al Gore. The faux Cassandra creates hysteria & then leaves a huge Carbon footprint.
Then he buys Carbon Credits, you know plant a tree, but he buys them from himself, it's his company.

Sorry but I must jump in here to defend the honor of poor Cassandra.

Everybody uses the name "Cassandra" as a type of Chicken Little or false doomsayer. This is completely wrong.

Cassandra, sister of Hector, daughter of Priam and Hecuba of Troy, was given the gift of prophecy by Apollo; when she spurned his love, he let her keep the gift, but cursed her so that no one would believe the truth when she said it. She foresaw the fall of Troy and the doom of the Wooden Horse, but no one listened. After the city fell, she was forcibly taken by Ajax the Lesser from the temple of Apollo, where she had sought refuge, raped, and then given as a concubine to Agamemnon. She foretold Agamemnon's death at the hands of his faithless wife Clytemnestra, but he didn't believe her either. She was murdered along with Agamemnon.

She is the model for true prophecy disregarded, not someone who wrongly claims the sky is falling. If Cassandra says that, you'd better seek shelter.

Of course I doubt anyone will believe this.

804 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:37:58am

re: #778 VioletTiger

What could possibly work? What possible good things can come out of this agenda? I am really trying to understand your POV. What do you think will work and why?

OK, one simple example. If we let the tax cuts on the top brackets expire and use that money to partially fund universal health care, that health care expense will be lifted from businesses, helping the economy.

805 KansasMom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:39:21am

re: #790 MandyManners

The story of Brer Rabbit (as first published) came from slaves on Laura Plantation, in Louisiana.

806 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:40:31am

re: #760 ciaospirit

Excellent point. I'm going to keep buying incandescents hopefully from Japan. They banned mercury in all products. Besides I like incandescent bulbs!

Japan is limiting mercury in computers and large home appliances, but they have largely gone to florescent bulbs so Japan will not have incandescent either.

807 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:42:57am

re: #805 KansasMom

The story of Brer Rabbit (as first published) came from slaves on Laura Plantation, in Louisiana.

Thanks for correcting my spelling of Brer Rabbit. I was posting fast and furious.

808 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:45:49am

re: #806 avanti

Japan is limiting mercury in computers and large home appliances, but they have largely gone to florescent bulbs so Japan will not have incandescent either.

That's not what my engineer friends recently here from Japan tell me. They said mercury has been banned. You have a link? Or is that too much to ask.

809 jaunte  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:47:27am

The problems with socialized health care:

1) Reduces patient incentives to find the best possible prices for the best possible services/products available.
2) Reduces physician incentives to provide competitive care and reduces drug companies' incentives to provide new drugs and treatments.
3) Steals from your wallet to pay for my health care.
4) The quality of "free" health care will deteriorate and the average citizen will get sicker.
5) Destroys your privacy.
6) Destroys your liberty.
(The power of government will be used against you as you are forced to use medicines or accept treatments from well-connected health care companies.)


[Link: www.angelfire.com...]

810 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:47:57am

re: #803 Cato the Elder

Sorry but I must jump in here to defend the honor of poor Cassandra.

Everybody uses the name "Cassandra" as a type of Chicken Little or false doomsayer. This is completely wrong.

Cassandra, sister of Hector, daughter of Priam and Hecuba of Troy, was given the gift of prophecy by Apollo; when she spurned his love, he let her keep the gift, but cursed her so that no one would believe the truth when she said it. She foresaw the fall of Troy and the doom of the Wooden Horse, but no one listened. After the city fell, she was forcibly taken by Ajax the Lesser from the temple of Apollo, where she had sought refuge, raped, and then given as a concubine to Agamemnon. She foretold Agamemnon's death at the hands of his faithless wife Clytemnestra, but he didn't believe her either. She was murdered along with Agamemnon.

She is the model for true prophecy disregarded, not someone who wrongly claims the sky is falling. If Cassandra says that, you'd better seek shelter.

Of course I doubt anyone will believe this.

I wrote 'FAUX" Cassandra

811 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:51:19am
812 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 10:05:29am
813 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 10:10:07am

re: #810 opnion

I wrote 'FAUX" Cassandra

Pardon me! So you did. [hangs head, blushes]

814 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 10:22:06am

re: #806 avanti

Japan is limiting mercury in computers and large home appliances, but they have largely gone to florescent bulbs so Japan will not have incandescent either.

Fact check for taxfreekiller, aka my personal ding down master.

link.

815 abolitionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 10:24:54am

re: #570 avanti

Some of you can find a Commie conspiracy where ever you look. To have suddenly discovered a plan hatched 40 years ago to destroy capitalism and embrace it as a fact is just a hoot.
[snip]

Please, look yourself: Prairie Fire, from 1974.

Do you believe Ayers was just "a guy in the neigborhood" when Axelrod (BHO's publicist) downplayed their relationship, saying they were "friends" and that their children attended the same school? Clue: Ayers/Dohrn's children are grownups.

Do you believe Ayers (and implicitly, BHO's) goals in the field of education were benign in the years they worked together, and since? Another clue, from 2006. Notice the CHE-zy decor?

Any thoughts on why BHO was Alice Palmer's hand-picked replacement for her seat in the Illinois Senate? Or why his campaign for that seat began in Ayers' and Dohrn's home? Or why Ayers recruited BHO as chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge? My thoughts on why involves ideology.

Ayers recently said Down with capitalism. Can you find anything BHO has ever said or written in favor of capitalism?

816 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 10:25:40am

re: #814 avanti

Fact check for taxfreekiller, aka my personal ding down master.

link.

Fact-check: ciaospirit asked for the link in No. 808.

817 jaunte  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 10:29:15am

Next light source to be targeted by obsessive controllers: candles.
[Link: www.google.com...]

818 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 10:33:43am

re: #816 MandyManners

Fact-check: ciaospirit asked for the link in No. 808.

I know, just killing two birds with one post, but thanks.

819 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 10:34:52am
820 jaunte  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 10:37:29am

re: #819 buzzsawmonkey

within that google search was a link to this Volokh.cpm posting:

Bringing Per Capita Carbon Emissions Down to Below 1700s Levels.

The most dangerous proposal in the new budget is the institution of a cap-and-trade system for carbon emissions. Indeed, the single largest source of new tax revenue in the budget going forward are these payments to be made by businesses for the right to emit excess carbon.

The goal is an 83% reduction in carbon emissions by 2050 compared to 2005 levels.

That would bring US per capita emissions of CO2 down to a level below what we had in the 1700s.
(snip)
If Obama succeeds in his quest to reduce carbon emissions by 83% by 2050, American business will be destroyed. Manufacturing in the US will essentially disappear to countries that do not have anti-business, anti-growth policies, mostly in the Far East.

It would be hard to imagine a government policy that is likely to be more destructive of jobs and economic growth than this one.
[Link: volokh.com...]

821 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 10:46:34am
822 capitalist piglet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 11:58:29am

re: #815 abolitionist

Another suggestion for those who don't believe communists have a base in this country: Read Radical Son.

823 abolitionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:17:02pm

re: #822 capitalist piglet

Thanks for the recommendation. I have Unholy Alliance; like it but have yet to finish.

824 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 12:51:41pm

re: #818 avanti

I know, just killing two birds with one post, but thanks.

Your link says Japan is going to use fluorescents by 2012. Doesn't say that those bulbs contain mercury. Got a link that says they contain mercury?

825 directorblue  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 1:52:08pm

re: #824 ciaospirit

[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...]

826 ronsfi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:07:53pm

Ha! That W. H. Auden, what a pollyanna!


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