‘Nirth Certifikit’ Kooks Get a Write-Up at Politico

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Ben Smith doesn’t quite get the name right; it’s “Nirthers” (after one of the conspiracy bloggers missed the ‘B’ key and hit ‘N’, then left the misspelling in the post’s title for at least a day): Culture of conspiracy: The Birthers.

And yes, these idiots are embarrassing — to themselves. LGF is on record blowing the whistle on this long-debunked rumor from very early on.

Bill Clinton had the Vince Foster “murder.” George W. Bush had 9/11 Truth. And the new administration has brought with it a new culture of conspiracy: The Birthers.

Out of the gaze of the mainstream and even the conservative media is a flourishing culture of advocates, theorists and lawyers, all devoted to proving that Barack Obama isn’t eligible to be president of the United States. Viewed as irrelevant by the White House, and as embarrassing by much of the Republican Party, the subculture still thrives from the conservative website WorldNetDaily, which claims that some 300,000 people have signed a petition demanding more information on Obama’s birth, to Cullman, Alabama, where Sen. Richard Shelby took a question on the subject at a town hall meeting last week.

Their confinement to the fringe hasn’t cooled the passion of believers; the obscure New York preacher James Manning turned up at a National Press Club session in December to declare the president “the most notorious criminal in the history not just of America, but of this entire planet.”

A quick reality check, before we dive in: The challenges to Obama’s eligibility have no grounding in evidence. Courts across the country have summarily rejected the movement’s theory — that Obama can’t be a citizen because his father wasn’t —as a misreading of U.S. law; and Hawaii officials, along with contemporary birth announcements, affirm that Obama was in fact born in Honolulu in 1961.

But belief in obscure, discredited theories is a constant in a country with a history of partisan division — a country in which, a recent survey showed, 34 percent of the public believes in UFOs and 24 percent believes in witches..

But the thriving birth-obsessed fringe also poses political risks and opportunities for the Obama White House, coming as it does after a campaign that devoted a substantial effort to rebutting another, now fading, myth — that Obama is a Muslim who would insist on being sworn in on the Koran.

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699 comments
1 zombie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:12:32pm

Their conspiracy was stillborn.

2 NonNativeTexan  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:12:40pm

12% of Americans still believe Elvis is alive as well.

3 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:13:35pm

I didn't want the Republicans to win any more elections anyway...
/

4 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:14:44pm

I have Proof!

////// Corsi

5 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:14:58pm

re: #2 NonNativeTexan

12% of Americans still believe Elvis is alive as well.

He's not?

6 Devil's Advocate  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:15:06pm

Hey Charles.

You'll love this one!

Learning to Live With Radical Islam
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

D.A
[Link: copiousdissent.blogspot.com...]

7 opnion  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:15:13pm

Later Gators

8 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:16:14pm

Whatever happened to that African news agency with the Michelle tape? That was by far the most hysterical of the hystericals!

9 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:16:23pm
10 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:16:41pm

re: #5 opnion

He has left the building.

11 snowcrash  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:18:22pm

The real conspiracy is by the Left and their MSM sympathizers to paint all Republicans as being crazy or dangerous. They do not need any more ammo.

12 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:18:27pm

LOL elephant seals are too cool!

13 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:19:27pm

Time for me to make like a banana and leave also...
///But I do really have to go...later.

14 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:20:13pm

re: #13 Oh no...Sand People!

Time for me to make like a banana and leave also...
///But I do really have to go...later.

Make like a tree and get outta here?

15 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:22:24pm

What do you do with an elephant seal?
Who needs to seal an elephant?
Can't be a big market for that sort of thing.

16 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:22:34pm

Nirthers, Troofers, IDiots, Conspiracists, Contactees, and Abduction Investigators.

All of them impervious to logic.

I guess we'll have to fall back on the Doug Piranha method of sarcasm, irony, etc.

I often wonder if any of this bunch, of all stripes, ever bother to listen to a tape, or watch a video, of themselves bloviating.

If they did, at some point either cognitive dissonance or acute nausea would set in.

/Mind you, sometimes I have difficulty figuring out which one I'm experiencing when confronted with this sort of thing.

cheers

eon

17 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:22:42pm
18 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:24:08pm

Not wanting to be outdone, the other side is crafting their own kookalicious conspiracy theories:

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

19 HelloDare  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:25:11pm

re: #6 Devil's Advocate

Both of those are Spinoff worthy.

20 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:26:09pm

Hey! I totally resemble being compared to Troofers and Nirthers.

Sincerely, #1 Fan
Vince Foster Murder Fan Club

21 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:26:15pm

re: #2 NonNativeTexan

12% of Americans still believe Elvis is alive as well.

Elvis is Dead!?
*faints*

22 Macker  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:26:56pm

re: #21 HoosierHoops

And here I thought he was still in Kalamazoo....

23 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:26:57pm

OMG, this is a magnificent Sunday Total and Complete Thread-O-Rama.

24 snowcrash  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:27:03pm

re: #17 Iron Fist
Did you by any chance see CNN's comment about Rush L's speech at CPAC. They called it "angry, sinister speech that crossed a line". (HotAir) Funny, I thought it was more of a rally the troops kind of thing.

25 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:27:11pm

re: #18 ArmyWife


This isn't as kooky as the DU guy that burned a rabbit cage to prove that metal doesn't melt. That is the all time DU classic

26 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:28:19pm

re: #18 ArmyWife

Not wanting to be outdone, the other side is crafting their own kookalicious conspiracy theories:

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

It's a stranger parallel universe than anything Philip K. Dick ever conceived.

OT but strangely related; Philip Jose' Farmer, author of the World of Tiers series, the Riverworld series, and fictional (?) biographies of Doc Savage and Tarzan of the Apes, passed away Friday at age 91.

Requiscat im Pace.

cheers

eon

27 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:28:37pm

re: #25 chicagodudewhotrades

Some things just go down in history as being fantastically absurd. That will be one of them!

28 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:28:59pm

re: #11 snowcrash

Yep.
Unfortunately, in a country of 300+ million people, with only two real political parties, there will always be ammo on both sides.

Of course, the MSM ignores or plays down the nuts on the left.

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:29:17pm

I have destroyed my birth certificate... In case I need to leave the country....

30 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:29:29pm

re: #2 NonNativeTexan

12% of Americans still believe Elvis is alive as well.

Elvis isn't dead, he just went home.

- Agent K, MIB

31 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:30:13pm

I don;t want to see Obama's Birth Certificate

I want to see his math and economics grades from school!

32 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:30:23pm

re: #6 Devil's Advocate

No longer, but only because the Pakistani government has agreed to some of the militants' key demands, chiefly that Islamic courts be established in the region. Fears abound that this means women's schools will be destroyed, movies will be banned and public beheadings will become a regular occurrence.


Hey, if we just give in to their demands, we can have peace! Hope, Change!

33 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:30:40pm

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You ate it, didn't you?

34 minuteman  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:30:45pm

Attention Birthers. There is nothing there. Think about it. If Obama had not been born in the US or as an American don't you think he'd have trotted that out for years before he'd ever hope to run for POTUS? Liberals would eat it up and liberals love to show how they aren't really american. Whether they be our domestics traitors who stick the maple leaf flag on their backpacks when they jet about Europe or the Europeans here who hate us and love socialism but can't get work in their dying economies. Obama would have bragged about it. Incessantly. To show he was superior. He hasn't, because he wasn't.

35 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:31:49pm

re: #28 wolfie

Yep.
Unfortunately, in a country of 300+ million people, with only two real political parties, there will always be ammo on both sides.

Of course, the MSM ignores or plays down the nuts on the left.

That's because they buy into the theory that in any situation, there has to be a "good" side. And they define "good" as whoever sounds the most like their profs in Journalism school.

/Said profs having never done anything but drop LSD and read Herbert Marcuse, and still somehow having managed to graduate from college.

cheers

eon

36 HelloDare  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:31:58pm

re: #2 NonNativeTexan

12% of Americans still believe Elvis is alive as well.

You mean he isn't living in Karl Rove's basement?

37 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:33:18pm

re: #2 NonNativeTexan

12% of Americans still believe Elvis is alive as well.

re: #36 HelloDare

You mean he isn't living in Karl Rove's basement?


[Link: www.elvissightingbulletinboard.com...]

hey ,,, facts are facts!

38 DEZes  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:33:39pm

re: #36 HelloDare

You mean he isn't living in Karl Rove's basement?

Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa share an appartment in Queens. /

39 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:33:40pm

re: #31 sattv4u2

I don;t want to see Obama's Birth Certificate

I want to see his math and economics grades from school!

I agree and I think he should be publically hounded about it, and his soire to Pakistan, and his status at HLR etc....all of it....we have a right to knowimo

40 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:34:50pm

re: #38 DEZes

Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa share an appartment in Queens. /

Elvis and Jimmy are Queens!?!?!

(NOT that there's anything wrong with that! )

41 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:35:32pm

re: #38 DEZes

Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa share an appartment in Queens. /

and they are sooo late w/my rent :(

42 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:36:19pm

First nirther lizard to appear in 10, 9, 8 ...

// I wish I was being sarcastic

43 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:37:00pm

We need people like this, keeping an eye on the government.

'Cuz you just never know what they might uncover.

44 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:37:00pm

"close encounters of the 3rd kind" is on TCM. The 'mashed potatoes' scene is on. I love how the wife and kids stop eating and watch dad carve the mountain shape.

45 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:37:14pm

Is A-Rod an American citizen? Can he be deported?

46 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:37:22pm

re: #31 sattv4u2

I don;t want to see Obama's Birth Certificate

I want to see his math and economics grades from school!

And what difference would that make now that he is POTUS ? Time to move on.

47 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:37:35pm

Can't wait until the Nirth Nuts descend on the thread. It should happen...oh, about 15 minutes after a new thread is posted.

48 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:38:09pm

re: #42 Lee Coller

First nirther lizard to appear in 10, 9, 8 ...

// I wish I was being sarcastic

heh?

49 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:38:19pm

Elvis would never hunker down in Queens or Kalamazoo!
Gotta be down South somewhere.
Sheesh.

50 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:38:32pm

re: #46 avanti

And what difference would that make now that he is POTUS ? Time to move on.

You must be a bundle of laughs at parties?

51 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:38:37pm

re: #45 Nevergiveup

I thought he was Puerto Rican?

52 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:38:49pm

re: #42 Lee Coller

Readying Lao Stinkus Maximus Laser Apparatchuk....

Bring it on!

53 DEZes  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:39:03pm

re: #49 wolfie

Elvis would never hunker down in Queens or Kalamazoo!
Gotta be down South somewhere.
Sheesh.


6 feet south I would think.

54 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:39:15pm

re: #45 Nevergiveup

Yes. No.

55 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:39:19pm

re: #50 Nevergiveup

You must be a bundle of laughs at parties?

Every party has a pooper that's why we invited you......party pooper.....pary pooper....

56 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:39:31pm

If there are enough people who believe something, it must be true. Of course that depends on your definition of "enough".

57 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:40:01pm

re: #50 Nevergiveup

You must be a bundle of laughs at parties?

Yea, actually I am, just more of a pain in the ass on the keyboard though.

58 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:40:04pm

re: #51 ArmyWife

I thought he was Puerto Rican?

Dominican. He is actually playing on their team for the World baseball Classic this spring.

59 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:40:07pm

re: #31 sattv4u2

I don;t want to see Obama's Birth Certificate

I want to see his math and economics grades from school!

I don't really care.

To judge by how far he got in the Navy, Jimmy Carter must have done at least somewhat above average in school. And Bill Clinton could come up with an analogy relating to ancient history (as related RE Waco in Unlimited Access) at the drop of a microphone.

Unfortunately, such erudition did not prevent either one of them from being little more than a highly-educated idiot in the Oval Office.

Einstein, OTOH, did very poorly in history, and Churchill often expressed his intense frustration at trying to master Latin. You couldn't tell by their real-world accomplishments.

cheers

eon

60 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:40:54pm

re: #58 Nevergiveup

Dominican. He is actually playing on their team for the World baseball Classic this spring.

I thought he was only on the Pharm team.

61 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:40:56pm

re: #51 ArmyWife

Dominican, but I believe he was born in here. (?) In any case, I'm positive he is a citizen.

62 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:41:48pm

What did the democrats do to squelch the even more disgusting "Troofer" movement?

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:42:07pm

re: #59 eon

Once I heard Clinton could work a NYT Sunday Crossword puzzle in a very short time...25 minutes (IIRC).

64 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:42:28pm

re: #58 Nevergiveup

I thought he played for the US last time around!
(Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.)

65 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:42:33pm
66 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:43:00pm

re: #60 Bloodnok

I thought he was only on the Pharm team.

I got that, watch it :)

67 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:43:06pm

re: #64 wolfie

I thought he played for the US last time around!
(Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.)

He did. But I guess he goes both ways? We know he dates old hags.

68 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:43:08pm

re: #59 eon

I don't really care.

To judge by how far he got in the Navy, Jimmy Carter must have done at least somewhat above average in school. And Bill Clinton could come up with an analogy relating to ancient history (as related RE Waco in Unlimited Access) at the drop of a microphone.

Unfortunately, such erudition did not prevent either one of them from being little more than a highly-educated idiot in the Oval Office.

Einstein, OTOH, did very poorly in history, and Churchill often expressed his intense frustration at trying to master Latin. You couldn't tell by their real-world accomplishments.

cheers

eon


Ok - I see what you're getting at here. Yes, I did poorly in history and I admit my Latin sucks but I just don't have any interest in politics. Thanks anyway.

/:>)

69 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:43:08pm

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

Charged them union printing rates for the T-shirts.

LOL. no kidding.

70 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:43:16pm

re: #59 eon

I never felt like Bill Clinton was dumb. I would bet Hillary Clinton is incredibly intelligent. They both have used this for bad, sadly. Barack Obama, on the other hand, makes me wonder. I think there is a reason his grades haven't been divulged - and I would bet it is because they were worse than W's and you know we can't have that little piece of information out there!

71 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:43:24pm

re: #59 eon

I don't really care.

You couldn't tell by their real-world accomplishments.

cheers

eon

Ben Stien is a true genus, but does not accept evolution, further making your point.

72 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:43:46pm

re: #60 Bloodnok

Very good.

73 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:44:10pm

re: #62 FrogMarch

What did the democrats do to squelch the even more disgusting "Troofer" movement?

Told them "We won, so shut up until Dennis Kucinich gets the impeachment papers ready?"

/We Buckeyes tend to groan whenever Dennis the Menace makes the newspapers, because it invariably means The Attack Poodle of the Radical Left has said something bizarre again.

cheers

eon

74 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:44:23pm

re: #71 avanti

Ben Stien is a true genus, but does not accept evolution, further making your point.

I think that is Ben Stein but who's counting?

75 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:46:25pm

re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Once I heard Clinton could work a NYT Sunday Crossword puzzle in a very short time...25 minutes (IIRC).

I used to average 20 minutes. That doesn't qualify me to be POTUS, I guarantee you.

cheers

eon

76 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:46:29pm
But belief in obscure, discredited theories is a constant in a country with a history of partisan division — a country in which, a recent survey showed, 34 percent of the public believes in UFOs and 24 percent believes in witches..

Among other things.

77 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:47:56pm

I didn't know that UFO's had been discredited! There goes my theory about my MIL.

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:48:56pm

re: #75 eon

Really? I can't lay a glove on the Sunday Crosswords... you averaged 20 minutes. Wow.

79 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:48:56pm

re: #70 ArmyWife

. I think there is a reason his grades haven't been divulged - and I would bet it is because they were worse than W's and you know we can't have that little piece of information out there!

Didn't BO graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law school ?

80 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:51:31pm

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

A picture of Actress Annette Bening in a shmatta. She's looked better.

81 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:52:12pm

re: #76 Sharmuta

Among other things.

Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, Champ, the Jersey Devil, El Chupacabra, etc.

Of course, they now think they've actually found out what El Chupacabra is due to some dead ones supplied by ranchers in Texas. It's apparently a feral cross between two breeds of domestic dog and maybe a jackal strain that somehow got imported from Africa, maybe on container ships. About terrier sized, with a big appetite and a real short fuse.

/Monsterquest on History Channel manages to be interesting at times.

cheers

eon

82 HelloDare  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:52:26pm

TIME is doing some tough investigative reporting on the Obama administration.
The Obama Team's Drink of Choice? Coke, Not Pepsi.

83 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:53:22pm

re: #79 avanti

No. He was voted president of the law review, which is a distinct honor.

84 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:53:27pm

I think it is a possibility that Obama tried to game the system by putting down either Kenya or Indonesia as his home country when he applied undergraduate. Law school, I am not sure. He is an American citizen unless he affirmed his citizenship elsewhere. If he affirmed it on his college apps, he could be in fairly deep trouble. If he used his Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan after age 18, that would have also done it. He could clear the air if he wanted to. Show his old passport with the stamps on it if he still has it or the record of his visa, and/or get his college app info into the public record. It would be best for him to do so. Given his total stonewall on the topic (not unusual from a lawyer on anything), it may be that he has something to hide. It also may be there is nothing there. But he does not seem to have learned the lesson that Saddam had to learn at the end of a rope. If you really do not have WMD, let people examine that and verify it. Otherwise things may come to a bad end. It was the cover up and obstruction of justice that got Nixon. Obama was a kid when Nixon was around, but I would have thought he would have been a better student of history. Grades is grades, no need to release them. The college apps and the Pakistan trip should see the light of day so this can be put behind him if nothing is there.

85 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:54:24pm

re: #80 Nevergiveup

Wow, not that's entertainment. Bening is Jackass 3rd class.

86 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:54:27pm

re: #78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Really? I can't lay a glove on the Sunday Crosswords... you averaged 20 minutes. Wow.

That was a long time ago, they may be (probably are) tougher now. Today, I keep busy with computer chess in my spare moments.

/Usually losing

cheers

eon

87 lost of earth  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:54:46pm

Didn't BO graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law school ?

That and his "way up there" IQ has been touted but no one has seen any proof of those claims. I recall Bush and McCain being attacked for their grades and class standing. Maybe Chairman 0's are at the same level or worse, which would have negated the leftist attacks on McCain.

By the way those "Birthers" aren't conservatives; the claim against Chairman 0's citizenship began with the HillBuzz group. [Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

88 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:54:47pm

re: #80 Nevergiveup

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

A picture of Actress Annette Bening in a shmatta. She's looked better.

What was the last movie she did? The Siege? That was 10 years ago.

89 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:55:35pm

re: #79 avanti

I've never heard that. Just that he was editor of the Law Review - but didn't publish a darn thing, which is very, very strange indeed.

90 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:55:40pm

re: #78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Really? I can't lay a glove on the Sunday Crosswords... you averaged 20 minutes. Wow.

It took me about 30 minutes this morning (then again, this mornings was easier than usual). But then again I am better qualified to be POTUS than the current office holder. That's not saying much though.

91 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:55:59pm
92 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:57:29pm

Another "Ruffy" is about to get swallowed whole I think?

93 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:57:32pm

re: #81 eon

We call my short haired chihuahua El Chubacabra. He answers to it now.

94 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:57:47pm

It took 45 minutes for the first nirther to show up.

95 jaunte  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:57:52pm

re: #91 ruffy
Maybe you missed this:
"Courts across the country have summarily rejected the movement’s theory — that Obama can’t be a citizen because his father wasn’t —as a misreading of U.S. law."

96 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:58:16pm

re: #84 Shr_Nfr

I should modify that as not "home country" but as citizenship. His home country was obviously the US. 18 year olds on drugs do not make the wisest choice for their future.

97 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:58:30pm

Karma: -31

ruffy

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98 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:59:08pm

re: #89 ArmyWife


"Hope, Change, and Unicorn Farts; the Future of American Liberties," was turned down for lack of actual substance.

99 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 3:59:53pm

re: #89 ArmyWife

It is basically unheard of that the president of a law review will not publish in it. Even regular members are expected to get one article out.

100 DEZes  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:00:46pm

re: #91 ruffy
I would say nice knowing you, but why should I lie?

101 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:01:18pm

re: #80 Nevergiveup

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

A picture of Actress Annette Bening in a shmatta. She's looked better.

That article is hilarious. It says that they are meeting with Iranians and giving seminars on acting, directing and movie making.

//...and the Golden Grenade goes to...Makmoud Moghadam for his outstanding work in the romantic comeday "And Then I Killed Your Daughter".

102 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:02:02pm

re: #84 Shr_Nfr

No need for him to "game the system." By being black, he already has the most desirable affirmative action profile.

103 DEZes  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:02:06pm

re: #101 monkeytime
LMAO!

104 Beach Lover  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:02:22pm

good evening, lizards. Its snowing in the Carolinas. where's realwest ?

105 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:03:01pm

re: #101 monkeytime

That article is hilarious. It says that they are meeting with Iranians and giving seminars on acting, directing and movie making.

//...and the Golden Grenade goes to...Makmoud Moghadam for his outstanding work in the romantic comeday "And Then I Killed Your Daughter".

You really can't make this stuff up? And when she gets back to Hollywood, she'll brag how misunderstood the Iranians are.

106 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:03:03pm
107 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:03:49pm

re: #104 Beach Lover

good evening, lizards. Its snowing in the Carolinas. where's realwest ?

I already canceled all my patients for tomorrow up here in NJ

108 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:04:05pm

re: #91 ruffy

And you're into baseless, unproven, whiny, sore-loser, easy-button, "mommy make the bad man go away" kookspiracy theories. As Funkadelic once said, "Everybody's got a thing" .

109 Lost of Earth  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:04:16pm

re: #89 ArmyWife

Here's a link to an article written by Obama for the Columbia newspaper "Sundial".

110 midwestgak  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:05:07pm

re: #107 Nevergiveup

I already canceled all my patients for tomorrow up here in NJ

How much snow has be forecast for your area?

111 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:05:37pm

re: #110 midwestgak

How much snow has be forecast for your area?

6-12 inches or more

112 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:05:48pm

re: #91 ruffy

You don't have anything better to to than be rude, huh?

113 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:05:51pm

re: #91 ruffy

Must be ruff to be a ruffy.

114 jaunte  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:06:28pm

re: #106 midwestgak

If the shoe fits . . .

...it's very pointy head.

115 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:07:16pm
116 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:07:50pm

My ISP's lead story on its home page is that Conservatives won't let this nirth shit go.

Thanks, Geller, Casada, Campfield, Nicely, Swafford and the rest of you fucking idiots!

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:07:57pm

re: #114 jaunte

...it's very pointy head.

Yes, but tinfoil is one size fits all.

Look, if Chief Justice Roberts has decided the case has no merits, that's it.

118 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:08:01pm

re: #101 monkeytime


//...and the Golden Grenade goes to...Makmoud Moghadam for his outstanding work in the romantic comeday "And Then I Killed Beheaded Your Daughter".

Got your back homey.

119 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:08:08pm

re: #83 wolfie

No. He was voted president of the law review, which is a distinct honor.

According to Harvard he did graduate magna cum laude, I just checked. It proves nothing more the he did well at Harvard though.

120 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:08:23pm

IF Obama has any reason not to want to make the nirth certif public, my own opinion is that it is purely personal. It is possible, e.g., that his parents were not actually married.
That's his business, IMO.

121 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:09:02pm

re: #109 Lost of Earth

Third Column, second page he misspells "Peace". A bit ironic, isn't it?

122 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:09:48pm

Ignoring Obama for the moment, one of the things that did disturb me over this whole thing was the process. You had a political insider certify that he met the qualifications for president. After that, no checking was done or possible. Berg was denied standing because no harm had yet been done since Obama had not been elected yet. After his election, it was up to the Electoral College to decide stuff, Berg had no standing, after the college vote, it was up to Congress, Berg had no standing. Basically, its a Catch 22. Before the election, you have no standing, after the election you can't have standing. Let us say that the Arnold gets nominated by the Kalifornia Moonbat party. Can't challenge him before, and if elected, you cannot challenge him afterwards. Obviously, the nature of Arnold's birth is well known and he won't run unless the Constitution is changed. But for somebody else of more opaque background, I find the rulings of the court a tad disturbing, Obama aside.

123 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:10:12pm

re: #91 ruffy

You're a nut.

124 kynna  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:10:16pm

Okay. The nirthers are nuts.

But did Politico ever do a write up like this exposing the troofers? In all the write ups I ever saw in the MSM about the troofers there was an element of ... "hey, it's not likely but, they might have a case, here."

Nuts are nuts, unless they help the MSM destroy a president and the US war effort.

Oh BTW -- I hate Politico. I really do. They can do nothing to please me. :D

125 Beach Lover  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:11:07pm

re: #107 Nevergiveup
they haven't said yet, but I'm sure we will be closed down as well. It doesn't take much. Our daughter has been driving from Charlotte to Atlanta in this mess. She's still not there and been on the road for 5 hours. I -85 a mess!

126 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:11:25pm

re: #119 avanti

Harvard, because not everyone can get into MIT.

127 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:11:59pm

OK, Sunday afternoon, nirthing my second glass of Balvenie, playing Portishead loud all by myself, on an LFG Nirther thread.

Sigh... giggle.... rubbing my hands together.....

128 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:11:59pm

re: #119 avanti

According to Harvard he did graduate magna cum laude, I just checked. It proves nothing more the he did well at Harvard though.

Got a link?

129 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:12:24pm

re: #119 avanti

I graduated Summa Cum Laude. Stand back in awe of my intelligence.

(This is where Jim in Virginia points out I graduated from Texas A&M and the jokes shall commence)

130 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:13:01pm

re: #125 Beach Lover

they haven't said yet, but I'm sure we will be closed down as well. It doesn't take much. Our daughter has been driving from Charlotte to Atlanta in this mess. She's still not there and been on the road for 5 hours. I -85 a mess!

The storm will hit nj/ny/ne not only tonight but also tomorrow right thru the day. If it hits as they say ain't nobody gonna be moving.

131 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:13:39pm

re: #110 midwestgak

How much snow has be forecast for your area?

re: #111 Nevergiveup

6-12 inches or more

In a related story, NASA climate guru James Hansen will be in Washington this week calling for "civil disobedience" to force the U.S. to "stop Anthropogenic Global Warming". Including a rally around a new power plant he wants to stop from going online. (Fox News had the story, but their link won't work now.)

Local weather forecasts in D.C. call for 3-5" of snow and wind chills in the single digits on the day of the rally.

/Gee, I guess it must be working, huh?

cheers

eon

132 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:13:56pm

re: #130 Nevergiveup

Which makes me very sad because I want my husband to come home tomorrow! He is in Virginia, and would have to drive straight up 95 to Maryland.

133 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:14:00pm

re: #117 EmmmieG

The court declined to hear anything and decided that Berg et al. had no standing. That is different than deciding the matters of fact in the case.

134 wolfie  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:14:25pm

re: #119 avanti

Interesting. I thought the cum laudes were undergraduate designations anyway. Didn't realize Harvard has them for law degrees.

You can't be a bozo and get through any Harvard graduate program.
(Unless you're GW Bush, of course! /)

135 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:15:03pm

re: #131 eon

In a related story, NASA climate guru James Hansen will be in Washington this week calling for "civil disobedience" to force the U.S. to "stop Anthropogenic Global Warming". Including a rally around a new power plant he wants to stop from going online. (Fox News had the story, but their link won't work now.)

Local weather forecasts in D.C. call for 3-5" of snow and wind chills in the single digits on the day of the rally.

/Gee, I guess it must be working, huh?

cheers

eon

Bush and Rove took the weather machine with them back to Texas. Obama is powerless!

BHAWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
////

136 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:15:18pm

re: #132 ArmyWife

Which makes me very sad because I want my husband to come home tomorrow! He is in Virginia, and would have to drive straight up 95 to Maryland.

That far south may be clear by early tomorrow? But I am not sure.

137 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:15:20pm

Speaking of nuts: Pamela has updated her post on the neo-nazi inspired conspiracy about China.. Now Obama is making the deal with China Sharia compliant.....

"Treasury officials confirmed that the Chancellor would decide whether to help fund the Government's public-spending programme by borrowing funds via Islamic law-compliant bonds, known as sukuk, within the next few weeks."

Because shariah requires "real" assets in shared equity arrangements, the UK was genuinely considering funding new investments in public infrastructure using shariah funds. It's not quite the same as using existing infrastructure as collateral for future Chinese purchases of U.S. debt (land, corporations - think all kinds of assets, not just real property), but it raises similar questions of national sovereignty. It's one thing for foreign countries to own assets in the country - lots of countries own US property and corporations (that's investment and it's generally thought to be a good thing). It's another for foreign countries to own federal properties or have federal properties offered as collateral. But logically - they're either collateralized with Fort Knox gold or with some other federal asset.


"Seeekrit geehadis r steeelin' mah kuntreee!"

138 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:15:44pm

re: #131 eon

Its one thing to write papers and talk on the topic, its another to urge breaking the law. He should get kicked out of NASA asap.

139 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:16:22pm

re: #134 wolfie

They are given out with graduate degrees, to include JDs.

140 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:16:44pm

Wesly Clark on FOX? Trying to rehab his image?

141 Beach Lover  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:17:22pm

re: #130 Nevergiveup
I also have a son who is trying to get back to NY from Colorado. He is now stuck in Cincinnati for the night. (no offense to Cincinnatians)
*It's a tough job being a mother hen...keeping track of her chicks regardless of their age!

142 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:17:29pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

"Seeekrit geehadis r steeelin' mah kuntreee!"

She even uses them as sources.

143 jarheadlifer  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:17:49pm

re: #5 opnion

He's not?

He is. He's living on a grassy knoll with a herd of bigfeet that have dedicated their lives to protecting Barry's "real" birth certificate. Get with it.

144 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:18:00pm

I'm in the 24% which believes in witc ... uh ... just a second ...
... he spelled it with a "W" ...
... ... ... oh, never mind

145 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:18:23pm

re: #141 Beach Lover

I also have a son who is trying to get back to NY from Colorado. He is now stuck in Cincinnati for the night. (no offense to Cincinnatians)
*It's a tough job being a mother hen...keeping track of her chicks regardless of their age!

If he doesn't get out tonight, I bet he is stuck in Cincinnati or a day or so

146 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:18:57pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Did she really spell program "Programme"? Or was she quoting another source?

147 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:19:39pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Wait, wait, wait.

She got called out for linking nazi bullshit and instead of deleting it, she updates it with a theory about shari'a finance? Who's going to believe that? She has no credibility left.

148 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:20:10pm

re: #128 MandyManners

Got a link?

Found one that shows the First lady did too, three years later.

link

149 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:20:31pm

re: #138 Shr_Nfr

Its one thing to write papers and talk on the topic, its another to urge breaking the law. He should get kicked out of NASA asap.

Strictly speaking, as a government official, by engaging in political advocacy, he's violating the Hatch Act. Except that our new DOJ gurus say (re Hansen) that it "only applies to the FBI, DEA, etc."

News to me.

I'm waiting for some of The One's minions to use the "no controlling legal authority" argument here.

Unless of course they just bypass it, swing for the bleachers, and go with "There is a higher morality than the law."

/I call the odds six-five and pick 'em.

cheers

eon

150 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:21:40pm

re: #144 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm in the 24% which believes in witc ... uh ... just a second ...
... he spelled it with a "W" ...
... ... ... oh, never mind

Not meant to offend those who believe that the End Times are nigh...

151 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:21:49pm

re: #133 Shr_Nfr

The court declined to hear anything and decided that Berg et al. had no standing. That is different than deciding the matters of fact in the case.

I for one find that all extremely interesting but we are in a very small minority here...and I have nothing to contribute but I really appreciate your posts...the whole foggy thing should be resolved

152 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:22:23pm

re: #121 ArmyWife

Third Column, second page he misspells "Peace". A bit ironic, isn't it?

Who the heck was the copy editor? That's inexcusable.

153 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:23:26pm

re: #152 MandyManners

I didn't read beyond that. Wonder what else we can discover?

154 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:23:52pm

re: #133 Shr_Nfr

The court declined to hear anything and decided that Berg et al. had no standing. That is different than deciding the matters of fact in the case.

that bothers me... the idea of standing that is.

155 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:24:05pm

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

Not meant to offend those who believe that the End Times are nigh...

But in the end the Turtle Stack defeats the Cats...

156 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:24:29pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Speaking of nuts: Pamela has updated her post on the neo-nazi inspired conspiracy about China.. Now Obama is making the deal with China Sharia compliant.....


"Seeekrit geehadis r steeelin' mah kuntreee!"

Wouldyoubelieve "It's not Sharia compliant, but the White House cafeteria serves hummus on Wednesdays".

/Pamela "Maxwell Smart" Geller's next retraction.
//I'm taking the "Lewinsky possibilities" off the table early here.

157 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:24:29pm

re: #147 Sharmuta

Yup, she's using the Obama=Muslim conspiracy theory to defend Nazi propaganda.

158 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:25:12pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Yup, she's using the Obama=Muslim conspiracy theory to defend Nazi propaganda.

My brain hurts trying to comprehend that.....

159 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:25:20pm

Clinton and Bush certainly had their share of ascribed conspiracies. This might be up their as the mother of all conspiracies considering the legal lengths these people insist on pursing. This in light of the birth announcement is absurd however you can't convince a pathological conspiracy theorist. To make matters worse the UFO kooks are claiming they saw a UFO at Obama's inaugural.

160 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:25:36pm

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

Not meant to offend those who believe that the End Times are nigh...

LOL!
Goddess is attic again!

161 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:26:03pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

It's....creative?

162 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:27:01pm

re: #155 jcm

But in the end the Turtle Stack defeats the Cats...



A turtle is a dog's best friend.

163 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:28:26pm

re: #148 avanti

Found one that shows the First lady did too, three years later.

link

She earned a BA cum laude in sociology and African American studies at Princeton.

BTW, he knew what he wanted.

He said he advised Obama to become a Supreme Court clerk. Obama recognized the honor in pursuing that post, Wilkins said, but quickly added that he wasn’t interested.

“He said that he wanted to write a book about his life and his father, go back to Chicago, get back into the community, and run for office there. He knew exactly what he wanted and went about getting it done,” Wilkins said.

SNIP

164 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:28:45pm

re: #159 Gus 802

I saw people who could have quite easily passed for aliens.

165 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:29:27pm

re: #163 MandyManners

I laughed at the 1 comment noting Michelle's thesis wasn't impressive. I'd be inclined to agree.

166 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:29:48pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Yup, she's using the Obama=Muslim conspiracy theory to defend Nazi propaganda.

I thought she'd go with the "I was too busy at CPAC to pay attention to what I was doing" defense. I'm not sure the "deflector shields at maximum" route is going to work this time.

167 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:30:02pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

You're a nut.

Did he crunch when he got the stick?

168 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:30:05pm

re: #164 ArmyWife

I saw people who could have quite easily passed for aliens.

Illegal, Martian, or Berkleyian?

//

169 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:30:09pm

re: #159 Gus 802

Clinton and Bush certainly had their share of ascribed conspiracies. This might be up their as the mother of all conspiracies considering the legal lengths these people insist on pursing. This in light of the birth announcement is absurd however you can't convince a pathological conspiracy theorist. To make matters worse the UFO kooks are claiming they saw a UFO at Obama's inaugural.

aside from an undisputed birth cert, how would you respond to Shr Nfr's #84?...does any of that bother you?

170 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:30:13pm

re: #164 ArmyWife

I saw people who could have quite easily passed for aliens.

come ride the A train someday...

171 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:30:32pm

re: #164 ArmyWife

I saw people who could have quite easily passed for aliens.

Leave Nancy Pelosi alone.

/

172 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:30:58pm

re: #167 MandyManners

Did he crunch when he got the stick?

Minus -43 in 4 comments......

173 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:31:13pm

re: #131 eon


Local weather forecasts in D.C. call for 3-5" of snow and wind chills in the single digits on the day of the rally.

/Gee, I guess it must be working, huh?

cheers

eon

When is he coming, we're expecting one inch tomorrow here nearby and nothing more a week out.

174 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:31:16pm

re: #172 jcm

Minus -43 in 4 comments......

That's efficiency.

175 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:31:33pm

re: #75 eon

I used to average 20 minutes. That doesn't qualify me to be POTUS, I guarantee you.

cheers

eon

Have you ever tried the London Times? Sunday?

That is a whole different language.

176 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:31:46pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Speaking of nuts: Pamela has updated her post on the neo-nazi inspired conspiracy about China.. Now Obama is making the deal with China Sharia compliant.....


"Seeekrit geehadis r steeelin' mah kuntreee!"

Suppose, just for one second, that she's right.

ROFLMAO! I couldn't even hold it for a second.

177 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:31:52pm

ruffy's not so friendly comment about our host is gone I see

178 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:32:34pm

re: #175 Naso Tang

Have you ever tried the London Times? Sunday?

That is a whole different language.

I'm crazy, not stupid.

cheers

eon

179 midwestgak  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:32:36pm

re: #163 MandyManners

She earned a BA cum laude in sociology and African American studies at Princeton.

What do you think was the subject matter in those studies?

180 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:32:40pm

re: #167 MandyManners

Did he crunch when he got the stick?

I came in too late to see the whack.
Was it exciting, or a yawner?

181 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:32:50pm

re: #169 albusteve

aside from an undisputed birth cert, how would you respond to Shr Nfr's #84?...does any of that bother you?

Bother me? No. I think it would be best to leave it to the courts. As far as I know this case has been resolved in a Federal court? I'd have to double check.

182 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:32:51pm

re: #176 MandyManners

You made me scare my cat! I really did laugh out loud!

183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:33:01pm

BTW, I was talking New York Times (yes, NYT sucks) Sunday Crossword Puzzles. I can work my local paper's in 20-30 minutes.

184 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:33:29pm

re: #177 Nevergiveup

ruffy's not so friendly comment about our host is gone I see

I wish they would mind their manners and argue their case....but they just walk to the edge and jump

185 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:33:41pm

re: #153 ArmyWife

I didn't read beyond that. Wonder what else we can discover?

That he confesses to being a secret Muslim who is the love child of Malcolm X and an alien who hangs out at the South Pole with Nazis?

186 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:34:18pm

re: #185 MandyManners

I KNEW IT!

187 jaunte  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:34:44pm

re: #163 MandyManners

From your link:

"Loeb University Professor Laurence H. Tribe ’62, who taught Obama and employed him as a research assistant, remembers him as a “brilliant, personable, and obviously unique” person. Tribe said that Obama’s theoretical perspective on applying modern physics to law was “very impressive.”

Curious; on searching further, Tribe uses the metaphor of curved space to describe the effect of law on society. Sounds very 'penumbra'-like. Does anyone here have an institutional JSTOR account?
[Link: www.jstor.org...]

188 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:34:46pm

re: #173 avanti

When is he coming, we're expecting one inch tomorrow here nearby and nothing more a week out.

I was going by what Drudge reported in linking.

/Goofed.

cheers

eon

189 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:34:54pm
190 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:35:12pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Bother me? No. I think it would be best to leave it to the courts. As far as I know this case has been resolved in a Federal court? I'd have to double check.

re: #181 Gus 802

Bother me? No. I think it would be best to leave it to the courts. As far as I know this case has been resolved in a Federal court? I'd have to double check.

what case are you referring to?

191 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:35:12pm

re: #185 MandyManners

That he confesses to being a secret Muslim who is the love child of Malcolm X and an alien who hangs out at the South Pole with Nazis?

The rest of that stuff is true, but I refuse to believe he hangs out at the South Pole!

//

192 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:35:22pm

re: #165 ArmyWife

I laughed at the 1 comment noting Michelle's thesis wasn't impressive. I'd be inclined to agree.

Is social studies a rigorous discipline in a place like Princeton?

193 Cathypop  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:35:27pm

re: #186 ArmyWife
And he has a unicorn in the back yard

194 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:35:36pm

re: #184 albusteve

I wish they would mind their manners and argue their case....but they just walk to the edge and jump

Curahee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee splat

195 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:35:47pm

re: #162 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A turtle is a dog's best friend.

Well, they're both a little slow...

196 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:36:07pm

re: #192 MandyManners

Is sociology social studies a rigorous discipline in a place like Princeton?

Oops.

197 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:36:34pm

re: #190 albusteve

what case are you referring to?

Berg vs. Obama

SCOTUS refused to review the case.

198 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:37:02pm

re: #172 jcm

Minus -43 in 4 comments......

Oh, my. That's impressive.

199 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:37:45pm
200 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:38:14pm

re: #179 midwestgak

What do you think was the subject matter in those studies?

How the Evil White Man is keeping her down?

201 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:38:21pm

Charles,

If you keep bringing up things like not believing the conspircay to hide that President Obama is not an American citizen, that ID is not a credible competing scientific theory (which unlike other theories is not "just a theory") and that the GOP is damaging itself by attaching itself more, and not less, to the more creepy elements of the Religious Right... you will damage certain well laid plans! And then you have the audacity to not want to assosciate with Neo - Nazis!

If you keep doing that in thread after thread, people might start thinking that being conservative does not mean being a close minded, racist, theocratic, frothing idiot. You are damaging the egos and the work of "true conservatives" and the leftists who want them to "be themselves" everywhere.

You really need to stop. My Zionist overlords at the one world comittee, (It's a subset of the General Elder Assembly) are getting annoyed with your seteadfast refusal to play yourself in your proper role. I have been told to warn you that your paycheck may be docked if you continue in this behavior.

Thanks for your attention...

ZOG

///////

202 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:38:29pm

re: #180 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I came in too late to see the whack.
Was it exciting, or a yawner?

I have no idea.

203 DEZes  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:38:34pm

re: #198 MandyManners

Oh, my. That's impressive.


About -20 in the last 10 minutes.

204 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:39:00pm

re: #172 jcm

Minus -43 in 4 comments......

That takes talent!
*salute*

205 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:39:06pm

re: #81 eon

Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, Champ, the Jersey Devil, El Chupacabra, etc.

You forgot ManBearPig. Al Gore is not pleased.

206 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:39:08pm

re: #182 ArmyWife

You made me scare my cat! I really did laugh out loud!

I try to be open-minded!

207 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:39:37pm

re: #186 ArmyWife

I KNEW IT!

I R SMARRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

208 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:39:44pm

60 minutes is doing a piece on Bobby Jindal

209 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:40:03pm

re: #199 pre-Boomer Marine brat

... and a moment later ...

LOL!

MWAH!

210 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:40:08pm

re: #187 jaunte

From your link:

Curious; on searching further, Tribe uses the metaphor of curved space to describe the effect of law on society. Sounds very 'penumbra'-like. Does anyone here have an institutional JSTOR account?
[Link: www.jstor.org...]

Physics is about repeatable results based on the mechanistic nature of matter and energy in a three-dimensional universe.

Law is based on argument, obfuscation, dissembling, and often outright falsification to convince a jury that when you drop a pencil in a gravity field, it only falls if in doing so it helps your client's case.

What's Tribe going to do for an encore? Send his resume to Hogwarts and apply for Dumbledore's job?

cheers

eon

211 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:40:10pm

Don't worry, there are still some diehards who kept posting to the bitter end of the last Nirther thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

212 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:40:24pm

re: #208 HoosierHoops

60 minutes is doing a piece on Bobby Jindal

Damage control? I'm sure he's their guy.

213 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:40:31pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Bother me? No. I think it would be best to leave it to the courts. As far as I know this case has been resolved in a Federal court? I'd have to double check.

I think it's a good example of great political instincts to not release a damn thing since the dust up only helps the left make the right look silly chasing all the conspiracies.

214 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:40:38pm

re: #185 MandyManners

That he confesses to being a secret Muslim who is the love child of Malcolm X and an alien who hangs out at the South Pole with Nazis?

And Bat Boy is his liaison to the Zionist Honco Headquarters where nefarious plotting and scheming to discredit certain bloggers takes place.

215 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:41:24pm

re: #202 MandyManners

I have no idea.

jcm's subsequent #172 gave me the general idea.
Must have been a spectacular cannonball into the deep end.
heh

216 jaunte  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:41:27pm

re: #210 eon

I'd love to see the whole paper, I'm sure there is a rich vein of bs just waiting to be publicized.

217 summergurl  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:41:42pm

re: #212 Bloodnok

Damage control? I'm sure he's their guy.

Wasn't McCain their guy too?

Tells us not to have as "our" guy.

218 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:42:00pm

re: #187 jaunte

From your link:


Curious; on searching further, Tribe uses the metaphor of curved space to describe the effect of law on society. Sounds very 'penumbra'-like. Does anyone here have an institutional JSTOR account?
[Link: www.jstor.org...]

During the thread about funding science, I kept on having a niggling memory in the back of my mind about the use of science to order society. I am POSITIVE that I've read about it here. It's about either CBBHO or some of his associates.

No help on the JSTOR account.

219 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:42:13pm
220 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:42:29pm

re: #209 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL!

MWAH!

*grin*
I lucked into having an appropriate one OF A BULLDOG!

221 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:42:34pm

re: #189 buzzsawmonkey

I missed the meltdown. Was someone taken to nirthery school?

Yeah, he lost his account in the quickest way possible, insulting the host.

222 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:42:47pm

re: #200 MandyManners

Actually, it was.

[Link: obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.com...]

223 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:42:50pm

re: #213 avanti

I think it's a good example of great political instincts to not release a damn thing since the dust up only helps the left make the right look silly chasing all the conspiracies.

Sort of I suppose. Berg is a 911 Truther in fact and a Democrat.

224 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:43:02pm

re: #191 Bloodnok

The rest of that stuff is true, but I refuse to believe he hangs out at the South Pole!

//

If he can't work in the Oval Office without the thermostat being set at 78, I don't see it either.

225 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:43:21pm
226 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:43:34pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Berg vs. Obama

SCOTUS refused to review the case.

that's not what #84 was about.... it was about college admission and foreign travel

227 jaunte  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:43:54pm

re: #218 MandyManners

It sure fits the 'Master of the Universe' narcissistic personality that's been talked about.

228 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:43:59pm

Pizza guy is here. bbiab

229 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:44:25pm

re: #226 albusteve

that's not what #84 was about.... it was about college admission and foreign travel

Well, then take it to court on the grounds stipulated in #84.

Good luck.

230 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:44:41pm

re: #224 MandyManners

If he can't work in the Oval Office without the thermostat being set at 78, I don't see it either.

U R wun smrt koo-kie.

231 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:45:34pm
232 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:45:53pm

re: #146 ArmyWife

British spelling like colour and behaviour.

233 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:45:56pm

re: #185 MandyManners

That he confesses to being a secret Muslim who is the love child of Malcolm X and an alien who hangs out at the South Pole with Nazis?

OK OK, I admit it already... That's me... I never said being a Jewish agent of the one world zionist conspiracy was easy. Don't make fun of my mum ok, it hurts my feelings.

Don't talk about your Grey overlords that way!

Damnit... we need more flouide in the water!

////

234 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:46:34pm

re: #232 Shr_Nfr

Which only works if you are, in fact, British.

235 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:46:59pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Well, then take it to court on the grounds stipulated in #84.

Good luck.

do you think BO is hiding something embarrassing from those years?...that was the question more or less...not whether the truth can be sued for in court

236 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:47:15pm

re: #211 Charles

Don't worry, there are still some diehards who kept posting to the bitter end of the last Nirther thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And Biff is currently logged in, too.

*looking up* ... *waving hand* ... ... Hi, Biff !

237 gman  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:47:23pm

I have but one question to ask:
Are you a Young Nirth Creationist or not?

Young Nirth Creationism (YNC) is the religious belief that Obama's Nirth Certificate was created by direct acts of mass conspiracy during a short period, sometime between 6 and 10 years ago. Its adherents are those Troofers who believe that said mass conspiracists created the Nirth Certificate in six 24-hour days, taking the allegations fielded by Phillip Berg, Jerome Corsi, and Andy Martin as a literal account.

238 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:47:25pm

Snoop Dogg makes appearance at Nation of Islam convention in Chicago

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Not that I know who this dog is, but he was there.

239 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:47:26pm
240 DEZes  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:47:27pm

re: #233 LudwigVanQuixote
Did someone mention greys? ;)

241 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:47:32pm

re: #233 LudwigVanQuixote

OK OK, I admit it already... That's me... I never said being a Jewish agent of the one world zionist conspiracy was easy. Don't make fun of my mum ok, it hurts my feelings.

Don't talk about your Grey overlords that way!

Damnit... we need more flouide in the water!

////

With an increased government Contrail Program we can have more rain!

//

242 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:48:08pm

re: #236 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And Biff is currently logged in, too.

*looking up* ... *waving hand* ... ... Hi, Biff !

I just notice the same thing. Speak up Biff!

243 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:48:21pm

re: #214 Sharmuta

And Bat Boy is his liaison to the Zionist Honco Headquarters where nefarious plotting and scheming to discredit certain bloggers takes place.

Isn't Bat Boy the love child between David Icke and Cynthia McKinney?

244 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:49:01pm

re: #242 Lee Coller

I just notice the same thing. Speak up Biff!

heh heh heh ... we is waiting, Biff

245 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:49:37pm

re: #235 albusteve

do you think BO is hiding something embarrassing from those years?...that was the question more or less...not whether the truth can be sued for in court

I really don't give it much thought anymore. I have to admit I was almost sucked into this but once I saw the Honolulu Advertiser birth announcement I completely stopped pursuing and interest in this. It also reminded me of the "McCain was born in Panama and thus not a citizen" flap.

246 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:49:44pm

re: #222 ArmyWife

Actually, it was.

[Link: obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.com...]

Was this available before the election? Was CBBHO's article in the law review?

247 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:49:47pm

re: #241 Gus 802

With an increased government Contrail Program we can have more rain!

//

We're experimenting with new chemtrails, they'll never notice!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

248 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:50:04pm

re: #237 gman

I have but one question to ask:
Are you a Young Nirth Creationist or not?

Young Nirth Creationism (YNC) is the religious belief that Obama's Nirth Certificate was created by direct acts of mass conspiracy during a short period, sometime between 6 and 10 years ago. Its adherents are those Troofers who believe that said mass conspiracists created the Nirth Certificate in six 24-hour days, taking the allegations fielded by Phillip Berg, Jerome Corsi, and Andy Martin as a literal account.

It only appears to be older because the speed of light is slowing down and the amount of silt in the Mississippi Delta couldn't possibly account for it being 47 years old.

249 Beach Lover  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:50:23pm

re: #212 Bloodnok
The media said the family in India were reluctant to talk about him.
As opposed to the all out effort they made on Obama!
/

250 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:50:24pm

re: #247 jcm

We're experimenting with new chemtrails, they'll never notice!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Chemtrails Chemtrails!

Get thee to a nunnery!

//

251 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:50:39pm

re: #243 MandyManners

Isn't Bat Boy the love child between David Icke and Cynthia McKinney?

Look- I have said too much. Chances are, you won't see me much after this, because I have to go into hiding. They will try to silence me for speaking the truth about Honcos. If I should happen to not make it back just remember to follow the zionist checks.

252 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:50:55pm

re: #214 Sharmuta

And Bat Boy is his liaison to the Zionist Honco Headquarters where nefarious plotting and scheming to discredit certain bloggers takes place.

We do not have "Honchos," our shadowy overlords prefer the title

Ha Melech Ben Xenu...

Your refusal to recognize their proper title has gotten your paycheck docked.... I like you so I put in a word for you that there is no need for the pain amplifiers...

/////

253 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:50:57pm
254 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:51:05pm

re: #245 Gus 802

I really don't give it much thought anymore. I have to admit I was almost sucked into this but once I saw the Honolulu Advertiser birth announcement I completely stopped pursuing and interest in this. It also reminded me of the "McCain was born in Panama and thus not a citizen" flap.

the question has nothing to do with the existence of a legal birth cert....

255 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:51:31pm

re: #222 ArmyWife

Actually, it was.

[Link: obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.com...]

I would also like to thank my respondents, members of the
ABPA, who participated in my study. It is good to know that
Black Princeton students can count on the support of the Association.

Oh, for fuck's sake. I don't believe that shit.

256 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:51:40pm

re: #247 jcm

We're experimenting with new chemtrails, they'll never notice!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Isn't that the spaceship used in the Cocoon movies?

257 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:51:42pm

re: #247 jcm

Oooohhhh, lennies. I like those clouds.

258 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:51:52pm

re: #241 Gus 802

With an increased government Contrail Program we can have more rain!

//


SSHHHHHH!

259 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:51:58pm

re: #244 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh heh heh ... we is waiting, Biff

I remember him. He's the one that thought that BH0's grandparents planted the fake birth announcement in the Hawaii papers and organized an infiltration of the Hawaii government so that one day he could become president. How forward thinking of them!

260 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:52:13pm

re: #222 ArmyWife

Actually, it was.

[Link: obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.com...]

She might as well have acused them of eating puppies and stomping kittens.

261 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:52:31pm

re: #252 LudwigVanQuixote

We do not have "Honchos," our shadowy overlords prefer the title

Ha Melech Ben Xenu...

Your refusal to recognize their proper title has gotten your paycheck docked.... I like you so I put in a word for you that there is no need for the pain amplifiers...

/////

I knew I'd be punished for speaking the truth. Do your worst, you can't hurt me.

It's HONCOS and TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN, PEOPLE!

262 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:52:32pm
263 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:52:46pm

re: #254 albusteve

the question has nothing to do with the existence of a legal birth cert....

I plead the 5th. Yes, he's talking about declaration of citizenship.

264 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:53:10pm

re: #227 jaunte

It sure fits the 'Master of the Universe' narcissistic personality that's been talked about.

I don't recall CBBHO said it.

265 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:53:35pm

re: #263 Gus 802

I plead the 5th. Yes, he's talking about declaration of citizenship.

that's cool

266 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:53:47pm

re: #230 Bloodnok

U R wun smrt koo-kie.

U R SEW SWIT.

267 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:54:01pm

re: #265 albusteve

that's cool

Roger.

268 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:54:43pm
269 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:54:48pm

re: #257 BlueCanuck

Oooohhhh, lennies. I like those clouds.

Mount Rainier can be counted on for a good show.

270 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:54:53pm

re: #233 LudwigVanQuixote

OK OK, I admit it already... That's me... I never said being a Jewish agent of the one world zionist conspiracy was easy. Don't make fun of my mum ok, it hurts my feelings.

Don't talk about your Grey overlords that way!

Damnit... we need more flouide in the water!

////

You leave my bodily fluids alone, you shape-shifting reptile, you!

271 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:54:55pm

re: #251 Sharmuta

Look- I have said too much. Chances are, you won't see me much after this, because I have to go into hiding. They will try to silence me for speaking the truth about Honcos. If I should happen to not make it back just remember to follow the zionist checks.

Here is your martyr cookie. BE SAFE! I will tell the world your story!

/

272 jaunte  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:55:05pm

re: #264 MandyManners

I was thinking of this:

Loeb University Professor Laurence H. Tribe ’62, who taught Obama and employed him as a research assistant, remembers him as a “brilliant, personable, and obviously unique” person. Tribe said that Obama’s theoretical perspective on applying modern physics to law was “very impressive.”

“He is obviously a serious intellectual as well as a fantastic campaigner who can reach across boundaries,” Tribe said. “He will make an extraordinarily fine president.”[Link: www.thecrimson.com...]

273 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:55:16pm

re: #238 Nevergiveup

Snoop Dogg makes appearance at Nation of Islam convention in Chicago

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Not that I know who this dog is, but he was there.

He's quite the intellectual. Makes high brow movies.

Snopp Dogg Soul Plane

274 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:55:32pm

re: #259 Bloodnok

I remember him. He's the one that thought that BH0's grandparents planted the fake birth announcement in the Hawaii papers and organized an infiltration of the Hawaii government so that one day he could become president. How forward thinking of them!

Yeah, that's him. The stupid little shit threw out some extracts of Federal statutes which did not apply, then pontificated about how HE had the degreees and experience to understand those statutes.

Wow.

275 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:55:52pm

re: #102 wolfie

Ever hear the expression "too clever by half"? Again, I am not saying he did or did not. I am agnostic. But I present it as a possibility that should be dismissed by the evidence. His Indonesian "citizenship" on his school records in Indonesia means nothing in and of itself. However, if he were to affirm that afterwards through either his college apps or his travel on an Indonesian passport, it would stick. The same with his dual citizenship with Kenya as a minor. Means nothing unless you affirm it. At that point it means everything. There are two routes he might have plausibly gone that would make him a non-citizen. Did he go either of them? I have not seen the evidence that he did. But he could easily produce evidence that he didn't, and he declines to do so. Again, lawyers are notorious about battling to make sure even the most innocuous documents are not released, so just because he doesn't get them released does not mean that he really has to hide them. But it does raise the question as to why he guards them so closely, and why his Kenyan stuff is sealed. Maybe nothing, maybe something. Like I say, 18 year olds on coke do not always make wise choices.

276 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:55:55pm
277 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:55:59pm

re: #253 taxfreekiller

Obama budget ='s Dr. Hanens science


OK ok, I admit it Hansen is part of it too.... I just paid him to make another false report, and I just paid the respectable scientific community to believe it - even though they know it is wrong, scientists are easily swayed by their giant academic paychecks!

There is nothing to really worry about with climate change at all. We at ZOG just want more space to retire in Florida and we are trying to scare people away. The South pole gets cold ok?

278 alegrias  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:56:08pm

Why are these people spinning their wheels & wasting time & resources, when Pres. Obama has "accomplished" so much in his first month in office to keep us focused on the task of tipping Congress back in 2009, and crippling his ambitious agenda of destruction?

279 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:56:09pm

re: #109 Lost of Earth

Here's a link to an article written by Obama for the Columbia newspaper "Sundial".

[Link: www.scribd.com...]

I just finished watching "In The Face of Evil: Reagan's War in Word and Deed" on youtube. It was a sobering, and frankly, embarrassing reminder to me of how wrong I was about world events when I was in my 20's. Somehow, I don't think Obama learned the same lesson I did, and the thought fills me with absolute dread.

280 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:56:46pm

I think of Nirtherism as the ultimate disinformation campaign. 0bama's birth, etc is all completely hale, hearty, and sound. But he's gonna hold out on releasing anything unambiguous on that point until he can use it to discredit those who will look into his background.

As long as all the 0bama camp releases are bits of information that can go both ways, any Chicago dumpster-diver who wants to sell his magnum opus, "The REAL Obama," is forced to address the conspiracy theories surrounding 0bama's birth. If said dumpster-diver finds something of real interest, all His Incompetence has to do is release the original birth certificate, sandbagging the whole chapter on 0bama's birth, and shading anything else the author might have found.

281 Syrah  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:56:52pm

OT:

Well dang.

There is either something about Sundays or something about the poor telephone poles on my street.

Some poor kid just took out the telephone pole down the street.

Snapped it off at the bottom and halfway from the top.

Down line in the street.

Crazy.

That's the second one to get whacked on this block in a week.

282 midwestgak  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:57:55pm

re: #200 MandyManners

How the Evil White Man is keeping her down?

A former coworker recently purchased a painting of the underground railroad and the symbolism of it comforted her greatly.

Is there anyone you know who is systematically kept down aside from democratic oppression/ideas? or taxes, or disregard of the Constitution, or voter fraud, or bribing of elected officials, or pandering to constituencies, or lying under oath, or ignoring the truth or being given a pass from those who might otherwise hold to the fire the feet of those who otherwise would be held in check, or ejected from power? arg. Other than those who truly are lazy and don't even try?

Rant off.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:58:03pm

re: #185 MandyManners

That he confesses to being a secret Muslim who is the love child of Malcolm X and an alien who hangs out at the South Pole with Nazis?

I hate South Pole Nazis.

284 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:58:03pm

re: #274 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah, that's him. The stupid little shit threw out some extracts of Federal statutes which did not apply, then pontificated about how HE had the degreees and experience to understand those statutes.

Wow.

I just KNEW I was talking to my intellectual better. I bet he made me look pretty stupid, huh?

285 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:58:04pm

re: #239 taxfreekiller

GLOBAL WARMING CLIMATE CHANGE PROTEST CANCELED DUE TO 100 YEAR SNOW EVENT

You guys really need to stop confusing local weather events with climate change trends. It just makes it you look like you look like you don't understand the science. Snow fall may go up or down as temps rise or fall, and some days, weeks or months may be warmer or colder in certain areas, but it's world wide trends to watch. If it hits 10 degrees tomorrow in Atlanta it won't erase 100 years of climate change in 24 hours.

286 gman  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:58:32pm

Salon had a good article explaining the psychology behind the Nirthers:

Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."

Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit into the narrative; every new disclosure of something that should, by rights, end the controversy only opens up new questions, identifies new plotters. Perhaps the most common argument of those questioning Obama's eligibility is that he should just release his full, original birth certificate, rather than the shorter certification, which is a copy. His failure to do so only proves there is reason to be suspicious, they say, and if the document was released, the issue would go away. But that's unlikely. It was, after all, the Obama campaign's release of the certification this summer that stoked the fever of conspiracy mongers.

For believers, it works like this: So what if Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health, released a statement saying she has verified that the state has the original birth certificate on record? So what if she said separately that the certification looks identical to one she was issued for her own Hawaii birth certificate? Why didn't her statement specify Obama's birthplace? So what if a Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman later clarified that Fukino meant that Obama was born in Hawaii? So what if researchers for FactCheck.org actually saw the physical copy of the certification and debunked much of the key "evidence" supposedly proving that the image posted online is a forgery? They're not really independent. They're funded by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, and Obama once (with Bill Ayers, no less) ran an entirely unrelated program that happened to be paid for with money donated by Walter Annenberg. And on and on and on.

287 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:58:39pm

re: #247 jcm

We're experimenting with new chemtrails, they'll never notice!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's what happened to SpaceJesus!

288 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:58:51pm

re: #281 Syrah

Some poor kid just took out the telephone pole down the street.

Hit it in a car?
Did he survive?

289 alegrias  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:58:53pm

re: #255 MandyManners

I would also like to thank my respondents, members of the
ABPA, who participated in my study. It is good to know that
Black Princeton students can count on the support of the Association.

Oh, for fuck's sake. I don't believe that shit.

* * * *
There's tons more race based self segregation going on than just colleges--there's the National Bar Association and plenty of "Minority Partners" and "Minority Associates" race-based cliques just among lawyers!

290 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:59:04pm
291 gman  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:59:13pm

oops! forgot to give the link

292 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 4:59:40pm

re: #278 alegrias

Why are these people spinning their wheels & wasting time & resources, when Pres. Obama has "accomplished" so much in his first month in office to keep us focused on the task of tipping Congress back in 2009, and crippling his ambitious agenda of destruction?

they see it as a short cut. Of course, what Federal judge do they think will enforce such nonsense? That judge does not exist.

293 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:00:06pm

re: #285 avanti

You guys really need to stop confusing local weather events with climate change trends. It just makes it you look like you look like you don't understand the science. Snow fall may go up or down as temps rise or fall, and some days, weeks or months may be warmer or colder in certain areas, but it's world wide trends to watch. If it hits 10 degrees tomorrow in Atlanta it won't erase 100 years of climate change in 24 hours.

We know the difference. We're just a bunch of sarcastic, skeptics.

294 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:00:06pm
295 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:00:41pm

re: #285 avanti

You guys really need to stop confusing local weather events with climate change trends. It just makes it you look like you look like you don't understand the science. Snow fall may go up or down as temps rise or fall, and some days, weeks or months may be warmer or colder in certain areas, but it's world wide trends to watch. If it hits 10 degrees tomorrow in Atlanta it won't erase 100 years of climate change in 24 hours.


They cherry pick events and ding you down for having the audacity to challenge them.

296 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:01:15pm
297 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:01:18pm

re: #285 avanti

You guys really need to stop confusing local weather events with climate change trends. It just makes it you look like you look like you don't understand the science. Snow fall may go up or down as temps rise or fall, and some days, weeks or months may be warmer or colder in certain areas, but it's world wide trends to watch. If it hits 10 degrees tomorrow in Atlanta it won't erase 100 years of climate change in 24 hours.

Avanti: Please look up "irony." I have really worked on my kids to learn this lesson. The point people are making is that holding a global warming meeting during a snowstorm is somewhere between ironic and stupid. Hold it in August if you want people to listen.

298 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:01:19pm

re: #284 Bloodnok

I just KNEW I was talking to my intellectual better. I bet he made me look pretty stupid, huh?

I felt so inadequate, I went into the bathroom and tried to slash my wrists. Somehow, a Q-tip doesn't work well for that . Maybe Biff was right.

299 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:01:41pm

re: #296 taxfreekiller

Obama is not only a commie, he is and will be an ineffective commie.

One can only Hope™.

300 BlueCanuck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:02:12pm

re: #285 avanti

Yeah, but my problem with the whole AGW stuff is that the same people screaming about it now were screaming about the coming ice age in the late seventies. So pardon me if I don't believe a single word about what they say of the climate. Especially how we are supposed to influence it so horribly.

301 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:02:15pm

re: #286 gman

Gee, that sounds familiar. Like I've seen that tactic used elsewhere.

302 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:02:20pm

re: #251 Sharmuta

Look- I have said too much. Chances are, you won't see me much after this, because I have to go into hiding. They will try to silence me for speaking the truth about Honcos. If I should happen to not make it back just remember to follow the zionist checks.

The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.

303 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:02:28pm

re: #285 avanti

You guys really need to stop confusing local weather events with climate change trends. It just makes it you look like you look like you don't understand the science. Snow fall may go up or down as temps rise or fall, and some days, weeks or months may be warmer or colder in certain areas, but it's world wide trends to watch. If it hits 10 degrees tomorrow in Atlanta it won't erase 100 years of climate change in 24 hours.

where is the science that affirms global warming is a bad thing that will lead to catastrophe?....is this a fact?

304 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:02:37pm

re: #276 taxfreekiller

Snow storms result in warming says "nirther" climate change Dr. Hansen of NASA.

And for an encore, he'll prove that droughts cause excessive rainfall?

/Only in a J.G. Ballard novel from the early Sixties.

Question; How many people believe that Hansen uses Botox treatments to maintain a straight face when he say things like this?

/I can't think of any other explanation that isn't about as scary as Ahmadinutjob

cheers

eon

305 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:02:47pm

re: #285 avanti

Climate change is not a reason to elect Democrats, restrict American industry, tax our activities and resources, and hand out grant money to agenda driven scientists.

306 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:03:18pm

re: #269 jcm

Mount Rainier can be counted on for a good show.

So can the Front Range.

307 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:03:26pm

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hate South Pole Nazis.

They are just North Pole Nazi wannabes. Everyone knows that.

308 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:04:11pm

re: #285 avanti

You guys really need to stop confusing local weather events with climate change trends. It just makes it you look like you look like you don't understand the science. Snow fall may go up or down as temps rise or fall, and some days, weeks or months may be warmer or colder in certain areas, but it's world wide trends to watch. If it hits 10 degrees tomorrow in Atlanta it won't erase 100 years of climate change in 24 hours.

Were making fun of Hansen.

In October, two independent monitors at Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, performed their own detailed analysis of Hansen's reported data. What they found should disturb us all. They discovered that the GISS readings from across a swathe of Russia that appeared to reveal a warming of 10 degrees above average were not readings for October at all. They were a repeat of September's readings.

Hansen then attacked those who found the problems with his data saying they would confuse the people about the real issue.

309 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:04:33pm

re: #272 jaunte

I was thinking of this:

My (tiny) memory is that it's about using science to order society but, this might be it. I dont' think so, though.

310 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:05:23pm

re: #278 alegrias

Why are these people spinning their wheels & wasting time & resources, when Pres. Obama has "accomplished" so much in his first month in office to keep us focused on the task of tipping Congress back in 2009, and crippling his ambitious agenda of destruction?

AMEN.

311 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:05:24pm

re: #270 MandyManners

You leave my bodily fluids alone, you shape-shifting reptile, you!


lol! Ahemmm..... getting serious again... Booming voice...

Didn't you just see that my mum is a GREY!
and I am the love child of Malcom X?

312 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:05:33pm

re: #308 jcm

Hansen then attacked those who found the problems with his data saying they would confuse the people about the real issue.

Hanson lied...people hide

313 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:05:46pm
314 gman  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:05:48pm

re: #301 Sharmuta

Gee, that sounds familiar. Like I've seen that tactic used elsewhere.

Yeah, it applies to all of these mass conspiracy theorists.
They like to cling to their Special knowledge that only they have.
It reminds me of a child clinging to a teddy bear.

315 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:06:18pm

re: #238 Nevergiveup

Snoop Dogg makes appearance at Nation of Islam convention in Chicago

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Not that I know who this dog is, but he was there.

I thought doggs were haram.

316 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:06:43pm

re: #246 MandyManners

I think so - but I'd have to check. I don't believe they've publish jack taco from Obama.

317 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:06:49pm

re: #282 midwestgak

A former coworker recently purchased a painting of the underground railroad and the symbolism of it comforted her greatly.

Is there anyone you know who is systematically kept down aside from democratic oppression/ideas? or taxes, or disregard of the Constitution, or voter fraud, or bribing of elected officials, or pandering to constituencies, or lying under oath, or ignoring the truth or being given a pass from those who might otherwise hold to the fire the feet of those who otherwise would be held in check, or ejected from power? arg. Other than those who truly are lazy and don't even try?

Rant off.

No one here in the U.S. of A..

318 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:07:05pm
319 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:07:24pm

Two Players Reportedly on Missing Boat

Two NFL players, defensive end Corey Smith of the Detroit Lions and linebacker Marquis Cooper of the Oakland Raiders, are among four people on a fishing boat reported missing off the Gulf Coast of Florida, according to broadcast and print reports in the Tampa area.
320 capitalist piglet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:07:26pm

re: #300 BlueCanuck

Yeah, but my problem with the whole AGW stuff is that the same people screaming about it now were screaming about the coming ice age in the late seventies. So pardon me if I don't believe a single word about what they say of the climate. Especially how we are supposed to influence it so horribly.

I am related to a scientist with a PhD, and his opinion is that the entire thing is little more than hysterical leftist tripe. And maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I'm pretty sure he "understands the science".

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:07:36pm

re: #310 MandyManners

Thanks for pointing out 278 Mandy.

322 Syrah  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:07:40pm

re: #288 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hit it in a car?
Did he survive?

He is fine. His dad's truck looks totaled.

323 alegrias  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:07:56pm

re: #305 rawmuse

Climate change is not a reason to elect Democrats, restrict American industry, tax our activities and resources, and hand out grant money to agenda driven scientists.

* * * *
Also, climate change is near the bottom of regular Americans' concerns right now--when keeping their job, home, and savings is job number one.

324 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:08:07pm

Hansen's kind of a strange bird.

325 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:08:17pm

re: #302 MandyManners

The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.

The crow flies at 11:34. Viva La Resistance.

326 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:08:28pm

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hate South Pole Nazis.

They ain't got the guts to come to the North Pole where Santa would unleash a 55-gallon drum of whoop-ass on them.

327 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:08:33pm

re: #315 Colonel Panik

I thought doggs were haram.

And I thought Farrakanh killed Malchom X

328 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:08:53pm

re: #296 taxfreekiller

Obama is not only a commie, he is and will be an ineffective commie.


Let's HOPE so.

329 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:09:01pm

re: #322 Syrah

He is fine. His dad's truck looks totaled.

He's lucky!
/or was he fine until his dad got hold of him?

330 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:09:04pm

re: #326 MandyManners

Beware the Elf 13 gang.

331 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:09:37pm

re: #322 Syrah

He is fine. His dad's truck looks totaled.

Till he tells dad........

332 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:09:38pm

The Climate is not static. It never has been, except in the pea sized brains of Democrats.

333 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:03pm

re: #330 ArmyWife

Beware the Elf 13 gang.

If you flash the Van Buren Boys gang sign they will let you by.

334 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:21pm

re: #319 jcm

Two Players Reportedly on Missing Boat

21' boat....wow...I wouldn't venture more than a coupla miles out at most in something that small...if even that

335 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:23pm
336 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:28pm

re: #330 ArmyWife

Beware the Elf 13 gang.

I dunno. I see names like Santa "Klaus", "Rudolf" and "Blitzen" and I don't know what to believe...

337 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:38pm
338 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:39pm

The thesis was released before the election.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

339 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:45pm

re: #289 alegrias

* * * *
There's tons more race based self segregation going on than just colleges--there's the National Bar Association and plenty of "Minority Partners" and "Minority Associates" race-based cliques just among lawyers!

I understand the older associations when African Americans could not get a fair shake in society and government.

340 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:48pm

re: #309 MandyManners

My (tiny) memory is that it's about using science to order society but, this might be it. I dont' think so, though.

It sounds a lot like this bunch;

Technocracy Movement

They were so far out in left field that they couldn't even make headway under the New Deal.

cheers

eon

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:10:55pm

The movie "10,000 B.C." is on. These civilizations appear to be really advanced, if you ask me.

342 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:11:13pm

True story: A woman I worked with back in LA (over a decade a go) wore the wrong color clothing into the wrong part of town. She barely got back to her car in time.

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:11:32pm

re: #336 Bloodnok

Clever.

344 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:11:50pm

re: #323 alegrias

* * * *
Also, climate change is near the bottom of regular Americans' concerns right now--when keeping their job, home, and savings is job number one.

Very true, and less important to me since I'll be dead in the ground by the time it really starts kicking in.

345 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:11:58pm

re: #311 LudwigVanQuixote

lol! Ahemmm..... getting serious again... Booming voice...

Didn't you just see that my mum is a GREY!
and I am the love child of Malcom X?

Ummmm...what's a "GREY"?

346 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:11:58pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The movie "10,000 B.C." is on. These civilizations appear to be really advanced, if you ask me.

Any giant bugs? You have to have giant bugs in a futuristic movie.

347 Nevergiveup  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:12:00pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The movie "10,000 B.C." is on. These civilizations appear to be really advanced, if you ask me.

They were and then they elected a socialist as leader and the rest is history!

348 snowcrash  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:12:04pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Talladega Nights is on TBS. Ricky Bobby is the man...shake and bake! lol

349 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:12:32pm

re: #337 buzzsawmonkey

But wasn't the marriage not legal anyway? A little issue of a few other wives?

350 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:12:34pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The movie "10,000 B.C." is on. These civilizations appear to be really advanced, if you ask me.

Oops, never mind. There I go again.

BC

351 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:12:36pm
352 alegrias  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:12:51pm

re: #313 ploome hineni

not when he is POTUS

* * *
C'mon, Ploome, uptight conventions such as marriage may not have mattered to Obama's mother Miss Stanley Ann the radical groupie--nor to Obama's worshipful followers who will no doubt tell you Jesus' parents were only "betrothed", not married.

353 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:13:01pm

re: #345 MandyManners
GREY= Bad aliens. And not the south of the border kind.

354 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:13:23pm

re: #316 ArmyWife

I think so - but I'd have to check. I don't believe they've publish jack taco from Obama.

I remember a bunch of us searched high and low for his law review stuff before the election. I think I would've remembered reading "peac".

355 Syrah  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:13:27pm

re: #329 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He's lucky!
/or was he fine until his dad got hold of him?

He said his dad is out of town.

I am sure he is not looking forward to telling him.

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:13:41pm

re: #350 Gus 802

(from the title, silly)

357 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:13:44pm

The Moon is Red, The Moon is Red!

China's Lunar Probe Lands on Moon

China says its first lunar probe has landed on the moon, marking a significant step forward in its space exploration program.

It didn't exactly land.... it was an impact probe.

358 Syrah  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:14:06pm

re: #331 jcm

Till he tells dad........

He said his Dad is out of town.

359 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:14:26pm

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See #350

360 capitalist piglet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:14:28pm

re: #319 jcm

Two Players Reportedly on Missing Boat

Uh oh. That doesn't sound good.

361 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:14:53pm

re: #324 Gus 802

Hansen's kind of a strange bird.

He's in Soros' pocket. Have you read that article?

362 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:14:59pm

re: #354 MandyManners

Peac in our time is nothing to laugh about.

363 DEZes  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:15:00pm

re: #345 MandyManners

Ummmm...what's a "GREY"?


Look at my avitar. ;)

364 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:15:31pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

The crow flies at 11:34. Viva La Resistance.

But, is he named John?

365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:15:37pm

Very hot chicks in 10,000 B.C.

366 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:15:38pm

re: #362 ArmyWife

Peacs in our time is nothing to laugh about.

I hate peas.

367 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:15:41pm

re: #360 capitalist piglet

Uh oh. That doesn't sound good.

21 footer, small craft advisory, 20 knot winds...

Nope.

368 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:15:42pm

re: #346 Gus 802

Any giant bugs? You have to have giant bugs in a futuristic movie.

And electronically-controlled humanoid slaves (android, organic, or mechanical) to revolt against their evil, stupid, and decadent overlords.

Which begs the question- if they're evil, stupid, and decadent, how in the H**l did they manage to become Overlords in the first place?

/I'll buy "evil", it's the other two I have problems with in the context.

cheers

eon

369 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:15:51pm

re: #361 MandyManners

He's in Soros' pocket. Have you read that article?

No, I haven't. Do you have a link? Guess I can just search Hansen Soros.

370 alegrias  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:15:52pm

re: #332 rawmuse

The Climate is not static. It never has been, except in the pea sized brains of Democrats.

* * * *
Democrats voted for change, but can't handle the concept of climate change.

371 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:16:09pm
372 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:16:13pm

re: #178 eon

I'm crazy, not stupid.

cheers

eon

I once knew some people who could do it in 10m minutes. They were crazy.

373 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:16:17pm

re: #366 Lee Coller

I hate peas.

War monger!

Whirled peas now!

;-P

374 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:16:18pm

re: #355 Syrah

He said his dad is out of town.

I am sure he is not looking forward to telling him.

heh

375 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:16:45pm

re: #365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Very hot chicks in 10,000 B.C.

Why do I have the feeling that they were actually a lot shorter, and stouter, and hairier, and smellier, than the supermodels you are watching?

376 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:17:02pm

re: #330 ArmyWife

Beware the Elf 13 gang.

I've heard they make MS-13 look like buncha' candy-asses.

377 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:17:02pm

re: #367 jcm

21 footer, small craft advisory, 20 knot winds...

Nope.

I used to sail a 25 footer to Catalina Island, but that was a sailboat, they tend to be built to handle rougher conditions than a trailerable power boat.

378 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:17:29pm

re: #375 EmmmieG

Why do I have the feeling that they were actually a lot shorter, and stouter, and hairier, and smellier, than the supermodels you are watching?

Don't forget the unibrow.

379 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:17:53pm

re: #338 ArmyWife

The thesis was released before the election.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Thanks!

380 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:17:54pm
381 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:18:12pm

re: #345 MandyManners

Ummmm...what's a "GREY"?

The little alien rectal probers from Zeta Reticuli.

382 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:18:20pm

re: #375 EmmmieG


Who ever invented waxing and deodorant, WE LOVE YOU!

383 Macker  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:18:24pm

re: #357 jcm

No, that's Under The Light of a ☭ommunist Moon!

384 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:18:34pm

re: #373 jcm

War monger!

Whirled peas now!

;-P

Can I appease your violent instincts?

385 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:18:53pm

re: #340 eon

It sounds a lot like this bunch;

Technocracy Movement

They were so far out in left field that they couldn't even make headway under the New Deal.

cheers

eon

What I'm trying to recall was recent.

386 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:19:04pm

re: #375 EmmmieG

Why do I have the feeling that they were actually a lot shorter, and stouter, and hairier, and smellier, than the supermodels you are watching?

You are harshing Veggies Buzz

387 TedStriker  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:19:12pm

re: #280 RememberSekhmet?

I think of Nirtherism as the ultimate disinformation campaign. 0bama's birth, etc is all completely hale, hearty, and sound. But he's gonna hold out on releasing anything unambiguous on that point until he can use it to discredit those who will look into his background.

As long as all the 0bama camp releases are bits of information that can go both ways, any Chicago dumpster-diver who wants to sell his magnum opus, "The REAL Obama," is forced to address the conspiracy theories surrounding 0bama's birth. If said dumpster-diver finds something of real interest, all His Incompetence has to do is release the original birth certificate, sandbagging the whole chapter on 0bama's birth, and shading anything else the author might have found.

Good theory...Dear Leader keeps his history intentionally vague so that people trying to get some real dirt on him have to step through the kook minefield (Nirthers, etc.), running the risk of getting tarred as kooks themselves and later discredited by Dear Leader and his minions as they dribble out the information they want to American people to know.

In this regard, he's much in the same vein as Slick Willie and Her Thighness, but much more devious and cunning...and dangerous.

388 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:19:17pm

re: #377 Lee Coller

I used to sail a 25 footer to Catalina Island, but that was a sailboat, they tend to be built to handle rougher conditions than a trailerable power boat.

if they went below the horizon they are dead....very stupid if they in fact went out that far

389 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:19:26pm

re: #365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Very hot chicks in 10,000 B.C.

Like Raquel Welch in fur?

390 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:19:37pm

re: #332 rawmuse

The Climate is not static. It never has been, except in the pea sized brains of Democrats.

Yea, it's all those pin headed, intellectual elitists on the left trusting the Commie scientists conspiracy to destroy the earth. We all know the earth climate has been static for the 6000 years it's been here. All the temp rise data in in ice cores and tree ring data was just put there by the Lord to confuse the lefties. Just ask Joe the Plumber, he'll set us straight on the science.

391 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:19:45pm

re: #352 alegrias

[Link: lashawnbarber.com...]

They weren't married, apparently.

392 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:05pm

re: #362 ArmyWife

Peac in our time is nothing to laugh about.

It got me going.

393 snowcrash  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:06pm

re: #365 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Don't tease us, its on HBO. That's a premium channel dude.:(

394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:09pm

re: #372 Naso Tang

Seriously? A crossword, to be enjoyable (for me) has to be something that takes me about an hour... just enough struggle to make it interesting but not frustrating.

Today, too easy...

395 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:10pm
396 monkeytime  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:10pm

re: #380 taxfreekiller

How about this, we agree to climate change and CO2 controls,
all they have to do in return is vote Republican for 20 years.

Can you make it 30 years? I don't want to be part of their Soylent Green retirement plan.

397 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:34pm

re: #363 DEZes

Look at my avitar. ;)

Resident of Roswell?

398 esch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:48pm

re: #389 Colonel Panik

Like Raquel Welch in fur?

Well, tan my hide!

399 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:20:59pm

re: #366 Lee Coller

I hate peas.

Even whirled peas?

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:21:13pm

re: #311 LudwigVanQuixote

lol! Ahemmm..... getting serious again... Booming voice...

Didn't you just see that my mum is a GREY!
and I am the love child of Malcom X?

So you're biracial. Black and Grey. Do you identify more with one racial identity?

/oh God, I might need to

401 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:21:16pm

re: #369 Gus 802

No, I haven't. Do you have a link? Guess I can just search Hansen Soros.

Hold on!

402 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:21:40pm

re: #399 MandyManners

Even whirled peas?

I can't even visualize them!

403 eon  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:21:48pm

re: #361 MandyManners

He's in Soros' pocket. Have you read that article?

I'm not sure about that, but I've got a pretty good idea where his head is.


Maybe that's where he thinks his promotion is.

- Inspector Harry Callahan (Clint Eastwood), Magnum Force, (1973)


////

cheers

eon

404 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:22:31pm

re: #229 Gus 802

That gets at my fundamental issue with this that transcends Obama. Lets forget about Obama entirely. The way the courts have been dealing with this, there is no way you can ever mount a challenge to the fitness of a candidate to serve as POTUS or if he is elected his fitness to serve. Maybe Barry is American Pie. Again, I am agnostic here. But the fact that the courts have ruled that a voter can not challenge a candidate as ruled in Hollander v. McCain on the topic of his fitness to serve I find troubling. Its a fine point perhaps, but one that I think we should address as a country at some point. There was a candidate on the NJ ballot (if I remember the state correctly) that was certainly not eligible because they were foreign born. The secretary of state was supposed to certify the eligibility and certainly did not. As with all candidates of the fourth order of the nutroot moonbat party they only got a hand full of votes. With Congress assuming to itself things that are not in the Constitution (like giving DC a representative) I am concerned with the attack on the Constitution here more than with the person elected. No, I don't like him, but that is not the main point. The main point is that there is no way to challenge a bogus candidate. You do not have standing before and cannot have standing after given the way the court has ruled.

All of this said, I would hope that Obama would put it to bed. The longer he leaves it hanging out there, the more of these that will pop up and the greater the damage to the country if it is indeed found out that he was ineligible. I am not enough of a legal scholar to know the answer to the question, but if he is ineligible, are the bills, etc. that he signed now void? Barry, get it out and lets move on if you are able to serve. But for me, there is enough smell of garbage under the cologne that I think he ought to come clean here. It would be for his benefit.

405 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:22:38pm

Pardon a repost. However, I have seen a lot of AGW stuff here that is anything but a scientific discussion.

As soon as one starts going into one world government conspiracy theory, particularly from the scientific community on AGW, they seriously damage your credibility as a "level headed scientific type." It is hard enough hanging with the Elders of Zion to keep appeasing my masters at the APS...

Respectfully, "I hate Al Gore" is not a scientific statement. I am not his biggest fan, but please consider that he is not a scientist and he does not really represent the community. He is a politician. The political circus around him is not science either. I hat any politcal group is not a scientific starement either.

Science is not funded by communists who want to destroy America. Scientists do not make all that much money either. In fact, given that any of them could have been a nice respectable MD or attorney with ease academically, it is a pretty good bet that the typical scientist is not primarily driven by money. Most scientists do their work because they love science.

To really get at what is going on with AGW you need to know something about non linear systems. Non-linear dynamics is my field.

If you wish to get into this I will be glad to. However, I wish that you keep the tone respectful.

CO2 really is a greenhouse gas. We know this for a fact from the absorption spectra and we can even calculate said spectra using QM. This is not in debate.

Many point out a lot about carbon from other sources, but they neglect many other facets of the system. For one thing, many different forms of pollution have deeply depleted ocean algae and there has been massive deforestation in the last century. This is caused by man, and it means that there is much less of a carbon sink.

Further, if it were just a matter of natural volcanic cycles, blah, blah, blah, we would not see the steady increases in CO2 from Keeling curves that we do. This is not the hockey stick, but rather direct optical measurement of concentrations in the atmosphere. The rate of eruptions has not been increasing dramatically in the last fifty years. So it must be something else.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Another issue that is rarely taken into account is methane from vastly increased farm industrial farming operations. This is dismissed smugly as "cow farts" but the problem is not just cow farts at all. Consider a CAFO. A pig produces per day, as much feces as eight adult humans. That means one CAFO in Texas, with two million swine (and there are many CAFOs, and not just in Texas) produces as much feces as the New York metro area. What happens to all of that fecal matter? For one thing legislation was passed to ease regulation on cleaning it up so, unlike New York, there is no waste management or sewage treatment. In fact, there are giant lakes of feces. This releases vast amounts of methane. Methane is a worse greenhouse gas than CO2.

There is also a conversation about water vapor and us silly scientists not noticing it. Again, like the creationists, that like to misquote the Second Law, do people really think that they figured out something really basic, that somehow the whole scientific community missed? Do consider that if it gets warmer for other reasons, there will be more water vapor in the air and now you have a feedback loop.

There are those who love to cherry pick facts. On a cold day they gloat that "Aha, there is no global warming." It is supposed to be cold in winter. What is more accurate is to look at all of the trends and notice a lot of warm days too.

Then there are those who want to say "how can warming possibly cause cooling?" They then smugly discredit anything that might follow. The answer to that question is in most people's kitchen - and once again goes to not understanding Thermodynamics. How does a refrigerator work?

I also ask that this not turn into a childish ding fest or some sort of bluster fest. Let's keep it respectful.

406 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:23:13pm

re: #389 Colonel Panik

Like Raquel Welch in fur?

A million updings. Thank you sir.

407 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:23:46pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

So you're biracial. Black and Grey. Do you identify more with one racial identity?

/oh God, I might need to

Well I'm not really black and grey, Malcom was a shape shifting lizard...

I actually am proud of both of my heritages.

408 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:23:49pm

re: #337 buzzsawmonkey

In which case, the expense of re-calling all those copies of "Dreams of My Father" and replacing their covers and title pages with new ones reading "Dreams of My Baby Daddy" would be cripplingly expensive.

The man is still his father, regardless. A lousy one, but a father.

Also, he would be Obama's

mother's

baby daddy in the scenario proposed.

409 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:23:49pm

re: #369 Gus 802

Hansen then began a barrage of public appearances on TV, radio and in lecture halls decrying the politicization of climate science.

Turns out he was right. Science was being politicized. By him.

A report revealed just this week, shows the 'Open Society Institute' funded Hansen to the tune of $720,000, carefully orchestrating his entire media campaign. OSI, a political group which spent $74 million in 2006 to "shape public policy," is funded by billionaire George Soros, the largest backer of Kerry's 2004 Presidential Campaign. Soros, who once declared that "removing Bush from office was the "central focus" of his life, has also given tens of millions of dollars to MoveOn.Org and other political action groups.

Certainly Soros has a right to spend his own money. But NASA officials have a responsibility to accurate, unbiased, nonpartisan science. For Hansen to secretly receive a large check from Soros, then begin making unsubstantiated claims about administrative influence on climate science is more than suspicious -- it's a clear conflict of interest.

SNIP

410 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:24:32pm
411 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:25:18pm

re: #402 Lee Coller

I can't even visualize them!

I useta' eat cornbread covered with smashed peas and pea juice when I was a wee child.

412 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:25:22pm

re: #406 Jim in Virginia

A million updings. Thank you sir.

she want's my wooly mammoth

413 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:25:36pm

I was always told Mexican immigrants wanted to have their children in a US hospital as that would make them instant citizens. (the child not the parent). I never really questioned it. But I would assume it would be the same for Obama. I don't even know if this is true. But it seems as reliable as the nirther approach.

Paulians, Troofers, Nirthers, yecr's. The list grows of people who get their common sense from Saturday morning cartoons.

414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:25:49pm

Yes siree! Nubile young people back in 10,000 B.C. Men very muscular. Wemmens be smokin'!

415 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:25:56pm

re: #403 eon

I'm not sure about that, but I've got a pretty good idea where his head is.


Maybe that's where he thinks his promotion is.

- Inspector Harry Callahan (Clint Eastwood), Magnum Force, (1973)


////

cheers

eon

AMC had a Dirty Hair marathon this week.

416 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:26:01pm

re: #390 avanti

You don't get it. I just agreed with you that the climate changes. It always has changed. Chicago itself once under 2 miles of ice, not all that long ago.

Big deal. It is not a reason to shut down American industry, institute a cap and trade policy and cripple the economy. As a matter of fact, the people that want to do all of those things are criminal opportunists who should be hung, in effigy, of course.

You know, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but lately you have gone out of your way to convince me that you really are a complete moron.

417 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:26:22pm

re: #412 albusteve

she want's my wooly mammoth


Oh my......

418 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:26:43pm

re: #409 MandyManners

$720,000!? Wow, that's a lot of money. No doubt then that he is playing to his masters sponsors.

Seems odd that he's doing this under the title of NASA since his more radical views are not endorsed by NASA. I'm sure he's a member of union as well.

419 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:27:08pm

re: #397 MandyManners

Resident of Roswell?

Only illegally. Gray aliens are here from Zeta Reticuli to do the dirty jobs humans won't do.

Like endoscopy.

420 alegrias  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:27:11pm

re: #391 ArmyWife

[Link: lashawnbarber.com...]

They weren't married, apparently.

* * *
Maybe President Obama's married state will in future be considered cool and emulated by Americans who procreate without a married partner.

Single parents cost US society & taxpayers gazillions.

421 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:27:16pm
422 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:27:17pm

re: #416 rawmuse

You don't get it. I just agreed with you that the climate changes. It always has changed. Chicago itself once under 2 miles of ice, not all that long ago.

Big deal. It is not a reason to shut down American industry, institute a cap and trade policy and cripple the economy. As a matter of fact, the people that want to do all of those things are criminal opportunists who should be hung, in effigy, of course.

You know, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but lately you have gone out of your way to convince me that you really are a complete moron.

SNORT.

423 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:27:54pm

re: #418 Gus 802

$720,000!? Wow, that's a lot of money. No doubt then that he is playing to his masters sponsors.

Seems odd that he's doing this under the title of NASA since his more radical views are not endorsed by NASA. I'm sure he's a member of union as well.

The following paragraphs look at his association with Teresa Heinz Kerry and Gore.

424 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:28:02pm

re: #419 Colonel Panik

Only illegally. Gray aliens are here from Zeta Reticuli to do the dirty jobs humans won't do.

Like endoscopy.

I did those as a rad tech....whatchu mean?

425 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:29:00pm

re: #181 Gus 802
Again, what was resolved was the lack of standing. Once you do not have standing to bring the case, the rest is mooted, and they will not rule on its merits.

The Supreme Court in some other countries, France and Germany if I remember correctly, will rule on hypotheticals if brought by the legislature. [If we pass this bill is it constitutional sort of thing.] Our system is such that you can only bring a case if there is concrete harm and have standing to do so. I cannot sue because my neighbor has been harmed if I have not been. I can not sue if I might be harmed. I can only bring a case before the court and have standing if I have been harmed. It purges the docket in the US from a lot of what if sort of cases, and that is probably the best. But the impossibility of getting standing under Hollander v. McCain bothers me.

426 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:29:07pm

re: #418 Gus 802

$720,000!? Wow, that's a lot of money. No doubt then that he is playing to his masters sponsors.

Seems odd that he's doing this under the title of NASA since his more radical views are not endorsed by NASA. I'm sure he's a member of union as well.

As TFK has pointed out, isn't it a violation of various laws to accept that money and advocate for a particular political position?

427 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:29:15pm

re: #413 hazzyday

I was always told Mexican immigrants wanted to have their children in a US hospital as that would make them instant citizens. (the child not the parent). I never really questioned it. But I would assume it would be the same for Obama. I don't even know if this is true. But it seems as reliable as the nirther approach.

Paulians, Troofers, Nirthers, yecr's. The list grows of people who get their common sense from Saturday morning cartoons.

Obama would be a U.S. citizen regardless of where he was born, through his mother.

428 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:29:20pm

re: #423 MandyManners

Right. Heinz usually means a connection to the Tides Foundation. Soros also funds them from time to time.

429 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:29:35pm

re: #419 Colonel Panik

Only illegally. Gray aliens are here from Zeta Reticuli to do the dirty jobs humans won't do.

Like endoscopy.

And, Cartman's anal probe?

430 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:29:47pm

re: #404 Shr_Nfr

If Pres Obama was a good guy he would just release it on TV at the records center. I would. But it probably wouldn't effect the nirthers. You would actually have to build a time machine and send them back to the delivery room. And even then a few of them would complain of sleight of hand by the doctor. They would move the debate to which parallel universe they were sent back to.

I think the rule of order is called "Convention." Civilization needs sincere acceptance of some conventions to work. To question this much further becomes uncivilized.

431 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:30:52pm

ot

Michelle's first lady portrait has been released.

Say it aint so

432 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:31:00pm

re: #420 alegrias

* * *
Maybe President Obama's married state will in future be considered cool and emulated by Americans who procreate without a married partner.

Single parents cost US society & taxpayers gazillions.

It has actually been seriously suggested that he and Michelle will inspire more young black couples to get married.

I don't know that a social trend can be undone simply by one example, but what the heck--if it happens that way, nice.

433 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:31:14pm

re: #428 Gus 802

Right. Heinz usually means a connection to the Tides Foundation. Soros also funds them from time to time.

I recently saw the Tides Foundation mentioned in a link here. Talk about linkages....

434 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:31:50pm

re: #429 MandyManners

And, Cartman's anal probe?

After 50 years of anal probes, even with science capable of bridging light years in cosmic jumps, the best we Greys have been able to determine is that one in ten of you kind of likes the probe.

435 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:32:04pm

re: #431 Afrocity

ot

Michelle's first lady portrait has been released.

Say it aint so

I saw that at Wiki about an hour ago. I think she looks MARVELOUS.

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:32:11pm

re: #421 buzzsawmonkey

I guess I'm just not hep to the jive these days.

I teach high school. I can define 'baby daddy', 'baby mama drama', 'chillax', and many other phrases that make me laugh like a hyena.

437 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:32:45pm

re: #425 Shr_Nfr

OK, what would we accomplish at this point? Getting Obama removed from office? Disrupting the country in a time of extreme global economic uncertainty? Start congressional hearings at this time? Lawsuits? More Hearings? Then wind up with Biden (hypothetically) as president and Nancy Pelosi as VP? Then what follows after that?

438 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:32:50pm

re: #434 LudwigVanQuixote

After 50 years of anal probes, even with science capable of bridging light years in cosmic jumps, the best we Greys have been able to determine is that one in ten of you kind of likes the probe.

I suppose there are Cartmans all over the place.

440 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:33:20pm

re: #435 MandyManners

I think she needs to put some clothes on.
Geeze hate to see what she wears in the summer.

441 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:33:44pm

re: #433 MandyManners

I recently saw the Tides Foundation mentioned in a link here. Talk about linkages....

Some new study came out recently regarding climate change. From Japan and it's counter to the AGW studies.

442 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:34:06pm

re: #424 albusteve

I did those as a rad tech....whatchu mean?

According to "abductees" the Zeta Reticulans are very interested in the human digestive system, but they do their investigation through the out door, not the in door, if you get my drift.

South Park did a whole episode about it.

443 esch  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:34:06pm

re: #435 MandyManners

I saw that at Wiki about an hour ago. I think she looks MARVELOUS.

As much as I dislike her. I have to agree. She looks pretty good there.

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:34:07pm

re: #431 Afrocity

ot

Michelle's first lady portrait has been released.

Say it aint so

She has nice arms, but I wish she would wear something with sleeves one in a while. I kind of like that 'Republican matron' look in a first lady, although I realize not everyone wants to dress like Abigail Adams in this day and age.

445 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:34:47pm

re: #440 Afrocity

I think she needs to put some clothes on.
Geeze hate to see what she wears in the summer.

What's wrong with what she's wearing? It's the classic little black dress with a double string of pearls!

446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:34:49pm

Found this comment in a review on RottenTomatoes.com regarding 10,000 B.C.

"crap, and more crap in a crap bucket"

447 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:34:53pm

re: #437 Gus 802

OK, what would we accomplish at this point? Getting Obama removed from office? Disrupting the country in a time of extreme global economic uncertainty? Start congressional hearings at this time? Lawsuits? More Hearings? Then wind up with Biden (hypothetically) as president and Nancy Pelosi as VP? Then what follows after that?

it's respect for the law....we are a country of laws and not even presidential candidates are above the law...it applies to you and should apply to everyone else

448 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:35:20pm

re: #441 Gus 802

Some new study came out recently regarding climate change. From Japan and it's counter to the AGW studies.

This was in a story with Moveon.org and the like.

449 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:35:30pm
450 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:35:51pm

Tax, rather than dinging me for respectfully bringing up facts that argue against you, how about we talk science like actual adults. You will note that I have not dinged a single one of your rants.

Let's talk science. Here I am, I am an actual scientist. Convince me from the evidence that I have said something false.

Either that or stop the bluster.

451 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:35:59pm

Elizabeth Dushku is an alien that eats ice cream. My TV tells me so.

452 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:36:04pm

re: #448 MandyManners

This was in a story with Moveon.org and the like.

OK Would have to look to the validity of such news.

453 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:36:15pm

re: #442 Colonel Panik

According to "abductees" the Zeta Reticulans are very interested in the human digestive system, but they do their investigation through the out door, not the in door, if you get my drift.

South Park did a whole episode about it.

have never seen South Park...maybe a commercial

454 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:36:23pm

re: #443 esch

As much as I dislike her. I have to agree. She looks pretty good there.

If she just thinks a little, she can look great. I loved the stuff Maria Pinto put her in.

455 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:36:50pm

re: #420 alegrias

I'm not willing to demonize all single parents. There are many who have quite legitimate reasons to be there. That said, I'm no advocate of continuing to procreate outside of marriage, and strongly feel that divorce is an option all too easily reached.

456 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:37:04pm

Dryer buzzer's going again. bbl

457 alegrias  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:37:33pm

re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist

It has actually been seriously suggested that he and Michelle will inspire more young black couples to get married.

I don't know that a social trend can be undone simply by one example, but what the heck--if it happens that way, nice.

* * *
If President Obama makes it cool to be married & care for your kids (among our Americans who don't), it could lessen many of our budget & social problems.

It takes parents, not the village, to raise your kids. (Wasn't it cheesy of Hillary Clinton to co-opt what Hillary claimed was an African proverb, to push socialist agendas on childrearing?)

458 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:37:55pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

She has nice arms, but I wish she would wear something with sleeves one in a while. I kind of like that 'Republican matron' look in a first lady, although I realize not everyone wants to dress like Abigail Adams in this day and age.

I am sick of her arms. I was at the grocery store tonight every magazine she was showing those arms. One one mag you could see her armpits. I guess she thinks that is all she has going for herself and I think it is equivalent to a woman with large breasts wearing low cleavage blouses. Like at the Congressional talk, sleeveless was inappropriate in that setting.

459 snowcrash  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:38:03pm

re: #435 MandyManners
She looks good. The hip to the side is pretty casual pose for the portrait though. I have no problem with the bare arms.

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:38:05pm

re: #454 MandyManners

If she just thinks a little, she can look great. I loved the stuff Maria Pinto put her in.

She really has a super body. I'm jealous. Still didn't like the white floofy ball gown.

461 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:38:22pm

re: #405 LudwigVanQuixote

I would like to see climate models that reproduce the past from the historical data with reasonable accuracy. Alas, they do not. Until they do, I have a hard time betting the house on them.

I say this as somebody who has worked at one point in their life on the problem of remote sensing of temperature profiles, been a member of the AGU and the AMS. Is it possible that we can modify the climate? Well, maybe. Again, if you can give me a model that is something more than a thing that burns up cpu cycles doing your finite mesh differential equation solver that produces the wrong result for the K-27 grid, I'll start to buy it.

They used to think there were witches. A lot of folks got hanged over that one. I just want more than a hand wave and a batch of dubious observations before I commit to bankrupting the country over stuff.

No problem with solar panels, wood stoves, high mileage cars and all the rest. But I want harder models before we ram everything down everyone's throat.

462 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:38:26pm

I'm interested in the background of the portrait. We have half of a lovely arrangement, Thomas Jefferson (why Jefferson?" and a blue curtain placed directly behind her head (to divide the picture in two?), and a window.

Symbolism? The future: window? The past: Jefferson? Or does it just make her tushy look thinner?

463 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:39:23pm

re: #445 MandyManners

Sleeveless in the dead of winter is not appropriate - great arms notwithstanding. Michelle has a lot to learn about what is and is not appropriate (hence her grandmother's living room drapes masquerading as a jacket during the inauguration). Her look will change as she grows into her position, handlers will see to it. Heck, even Hillary got the hang of it!

464 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:39:45pm

re: #457 alegrias

* * *
If President Obama makes it cool to be married & care for your kids (among our Americans who don't), it could lessen many of our budget & social problems.

It takes parents, not the village, to raise your kids. (Wasn't it cheesy of Hillary Clinton to co-opt what Hillary claimed was an African proverb, to push socialist agendas on childrearing?)

I believe it does take a village. The parents are first and most essential, of course, but I've seen how much better my friends who have an extensive support network cope than those who don't.

465 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:41:03pm
466 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:41:07pm

re: #464 SanFranciscoZionist

I believe it does take a village. The parents are first and most essential, of course, but I've seen how much better my friends who have an extensive support network cope than those who don't.

Yes, but I pick who is part of my children's village. I think that was the chief sticking point for many conservatives--the idea that someone else (Hilary) had the right to influence your children above your objections.

467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:41:59pm

re: #461 Shr_Nfr

I simply do not like the people shoving this down my throat.

468 alegrias  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:42:19pm

re: #440 Afrocity

I think she needs to put some clothes on.
Geeze hate to see what she wears in the summer.

* * *
Relax, taxpayers are paying to keep temperature set at Hawaii Tropical Beach levels in the old White House! So far, this is the only difference between the Obamas and the Carters, who truly practiced energy miserliness!

469 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:42:27pm

re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist

It has actually been seriously suggested that he and Michelle will inspire more young black couples to get married.

I don't know that a social trend can be undone simply by one example, but what the heck--if it happens that way, nice.

Why should more young black couples get married?
You mean the 16 year old that knocked up the 18 year old. Rhianna and Chris Brown?

470 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:42:59pm

re: #449 taxfreekiller

#405
Hansen lies about the facts.

You and avanti do not accept that fact.

If the source of the whole thing lies and presents false data, why give credit where none is due.

it is a free ding down, avanti did the tattle tale thing to daddy , be my guest, Charles is reading every post..

OK, lets assume you think Hansen is committing fraud, how do you explain the rest of NASA, the EPA, and NOAA. Are the vast majorirty of climate scientists in on conspiracy, and to what end ?

471 Colonel Panik  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:43:10pm

re: #443 esch

As much as I dislike her. I have to agree. She looks pretty good there.

She actually looks halfway decent when she SMILES.

Otherwise, while we are on the subject of aliens, with her normal grimace she she looks like a Klingon.

Qapla'!

472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:43:35pm

re: #469 Afrocity

Rhianna and Chris Brown?

Heard today they were reconciled. If true?

She. Is. An. Idiot.

473 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:43:45pm

re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist

Depends on how old she was at the time of the birth. Regardless, I don't doubt that President Obama is a citizen. We've got bigger things to worry about with this guy.

474 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:44:35pm

re: #465 taxfreekiller

....and, you could say.... cult of personality..... except that Algore has none.....

(Mr. Cardboard.... stiffly reciting memorized lies...)

475 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:44:37pm
476 Gus  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:44:44pm

re: #468 alegrias

Apparently it's warm enough to grow orchids. Celine Dion likes to keep things warm and humid for her vocal chords. Not unlike Dion, Obama talks so much that perhaps that's one of the reason he keeps the White House hot and humid.

477 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:45:04pm

re: #463 ArmyWife

Sleeveless in the dead of winter is not appropriate - great arms notwithstanding. Michelle has a lot to learn about what is and is not appropriate (hence her grandmother's living room drapes masquerading as a jacket during the inauguration). Her look will change as she grows into her position, handlers will see to it. Heck, even Hillary got the hang of it!

I agree and it is not appropriate to have your armpits showing on a magazine cover. I don't want to see that. She obviously feels that this is her "trademark" look and I hope she gets a new look real soon.

478 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:45:09pm

re: #469 Afrocity

Why should more young black couples get married?
You mean the 16 year old that knocked up the 18 year old. Rhianna and Chris Brown?

I don't think Rihanna and Chris Brown should get married. Therapy, yes. Married, no.

That made me sad. A couple years ago, Chris Brown was this wholesome sweet-faced teenage boy on all my seventh-grade girl's binders. I hope he gets some help, and she takes good care of herself.

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:46:07pm

re: #473 ArmyWife

Depends on how old she was at the time of the birth. Regardless, I don't doubt that President Obama is a citizen. We've got bigger things to worry about with this guy.

Why would it be relevent how old she was?

480 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:46:46pm

re: #472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heard today they were reconciled. If true?

She. Is. An. Idiot.

I know she has refused to press charges.
I think the black music patriarchy talked her into not doing anything to him.
She is an idiot with low self esteem.

481 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:46:57pm

why don't the Democrats go out and get jobs? Oh yeah, that's right.... they don't know anything! They can't *do* anything....All they can do is take pot shots at those of us who actually are doing something.... and regulate us for our own good.....

losers.

482 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:47:07pm

re: #405 LudwigVanQuixote


I also ask that this not turn into a childish ding fest or some sort of bluster fest. Let's keep it respectful

Now, why end by spoiling the fun, potentially?

;=)

483 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:47:25pm

re: #461 Shr_Nfr

I would like to see climate models that reproduce the past from the historical data with reasonable accuracy. Alas, they do not. Until they do, I have a hard time betting the house on them.

I say this as somebody who has worked at one point in their life on the problem of remote sensing of temperature profiles, been a member of the AGU and the AMS. Is it possible that we can modify the climate? Well, maybe. Again, if you can give me a model that is something more than a thing that burns up cpu cycles doing your finite mesh differential equation solver that produces the wrong result for the K-27 grid, I'll start to buy it.

They used to think there were witches. A lot of folks got hanged over that one. I just want more than a hand wave and a batch of dubious observations before I commit to bankrupting the country over stuff.

No problem with solar panels, wood stoves, high mileage cars and all the rest. But I want harder models before we ram everything down everyone's throat.

You are correct in what you have said if you take an overly strict view of the use of modeling. I feel that you take things to far.

How close to the trends do you need to be before you start thinking there might be something to a model? There have been successes that reproduce events from historical data already. To be fair, if we could accurately reproduce all historical results from all intitial conditions we could reproduce the weather exactly. Given the non-liearity of the system, that would be required, not to mention computational techniques with infinite precision. Since both of those feats are impossible, perhaps that is too strict a standard. So I ask again, what is good enough?

Further, I am not saying that we need to bet the farm on anything. I'm opposed to politicization. However, even if AGW were not the issue, don't you think it might be a good thing to reduce our dependence on oil anyway? I mean I acatually don't like being dependant on the Saudis. Why is reducing our oil consumption a bad thing?

484 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:48:04pm

re: #481 Windhorse

why don't the Democrats go out and get jobs? Oh yeah, that's right.... they don't know anything! They can't *do* anything....All they can do is take pot shots at those of us who actually are doing something.... and regulate us for our own good.....

losers.

I'm a Democrat, and I have two jobs. Nor do I 'take pot shots' if I can help it.

485 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:48:45pm

re: #481 Windhorse

why don't the Democrats go out and get jobs? Oh yeah, that's right.... they don't know anything! They can't *do* anything....All they can do is take pot shots at those of us who actually are doing something.... and regulate us for our own good.....

losers.

That is a sweeping generalization. I don't see a sarc tag there.

486 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:49:41pm

re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist

Why would it be relevent how old she was?

I think (and no I am not a lawyer) that one must be of age to transfer citizenship, I could be wrong, but that is what I have heard.

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:49:44pm

re: #483 LudwigVanQuixote

Hence his last paragraph, Ludwig.

488 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:49:48pm
489 alegrias  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:49:53pm

re: #455 ArmyWife

I'm not willing to demonize all single parents. There are many who have quite legitimate reasons to be there. That said, I'm no advocate of continuing to procreate outside of marriage, and strongly feel that divorce is an option all too easily reached.

* * * *
YOU were the one going on about Obama's unmarried mother.

All I'm saying is, if more people follow Obama's example of marrying, it's generally better for the children and society. Democrats claim to care so much about "the children," but they won't advocate the easy traditional cheap healthy solution to social problems: FAMILY FORMATION.

490 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:50:26pm

re: #485 Afrocity

Alright..... maybe I am being a bit too absolute......... I'm in a bad mood...

Sorry everyone.

491 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:51:33pm

re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist

It has actually been seriously suggested that he and Michelle will inspire more young black couples to get married.

I don't know that a social trend can be undone simply by one example, but what the heck--if it happens that way, nice.

That's such a nice thought, but ask Afrocity why more black women just get horny now and then and don't want to get married.

Do you think the women don't get married because they think they don't deserve the men they know?

(obviously I think higher of women than men, in this context)

492 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:51:39pm
493 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:52:09pm

re: #490 Windhorse

Alright..... maybe I am being a bit too absolute......... I'm in a bad mood...

Sorry everyone.

Hey, no problem. Thanks.

I'm going to the store, will be checking out the Florida Creationism bill next.

494 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:52:24pm

re: #490 Windhorse

Have some Absolut.

495 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:52:56pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Kitteh got into da 'nip, big tiem.

496 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:52:56pm

re: #409 MandyManners

Hansen then began a barrage of public appearances on TV, radio and in lecture halls decrying the politicization of climate science.


SNIP

Climate change activists planned a sit in at the Capitol Power plant tomorrow. Hansen said he would be there and be arrested.
Celebrity protests a la South Africa in apartheid days.

497 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:53:00pm

re: #475 taxfreekiller

The EPA, thats a f'n commie joke,the whole thing is full of shit head commies.

OK, so the answer to every argument we pose, is that it's a Commie plot to falsify the data. Is there any any peer reviewed science on climate change which is not part of a vast Commie conspiracy that we could discuss ?

498 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:53:00pm

re: #493 SanFranciscoZionist

sorry SF Zionist...... I think you should be a Repub.....

:)

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:53:11pm

re: #491 Naso Tang

That's such a nice thought, but ask Afrocity why more black women just get horny now and then and don't want to get married.

Do you think the women don't get married because they think they don't deserve the men they know?

(obviously I think higher of women than men, in this context)

You've GOT to be kidding me.

500 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:53:22pm

re: #488 taxfreekiller

NOAA

Want your job, better toe the commie line.
Want a promotion better toe the commie line.

Want to get re-election money from Chuck Schummer and Pelosi, better
vote the Obama commie budget if your in the Senate or Congress.

Want to be the Chair of the NASA sub committee in Congress, better toe the commie Obama line.
Want to be NASA Administrator and have any budget, better toe the line with the commie Democrat who heads the committee.

ya, there are people who are weak and lie for money, that is not new
and the R's do the same thing,

that is why tfk calls it the "two party evil money cult"

Most of those "commies" that are there now were there under the Bush administration too. You do realise that the strength of your bile makes you sound unreasonable?

501 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:53:23pm

Any nirthers making the transition from solid to liquid yet?

502 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:53:37pm

re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist

Until 1952, if a child was born to a U.S. Citizen and an alien parent, the citizen parent had to have resided in the US or its outlying possessions for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after attaining the age of 16 (so the parent had to be 21).

After 1952, a child born to a U.S. Citizen and an alien parent, the citizen parent had to be physically present in the US (or outlying possessions) prior to the child's birth for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after the age of 14 (so the parent had to be 19).

503 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:53:46pm

re: #491 Naso Tang

That's such a nice thought, but ask Afrocity why more black women just get horny now and then and don't want to get married.

Do you think the women don't get married because they think they don't deserve the men they know?

(obviously I think higher of women than men, in this context)

Huh?

504 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:53:49pm

re: #465 taxfreekiller

Its a cult, not much more.

Facts do not mean a thing to the supporters of man made global warming, or when the facts prove man has not one thing to do with it, a new
way to blame comes into the deal, the subject gets changed, the whole issue is re-made, new data sets arrive, new lies of ice come, the data gets edited to fit the lie, and on and on. Ice age, global warming every 20 or 30 years, facts do not matter, it is a cult.

Oh, now I get it. TFK is the oracle (the real one).

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:54:21pm

re: #498 Windhorse

sorry SF Zionist...... I think you should be a Repub.....

:)

Ahhh, if I hang around here long enough, who knows?

;)

506 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:54:35pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

You've GOT to be kidding me.

Which part?

507 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:55:05pm

re: #494 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

no can diddly do..... I cannot stomach booze...... cold beer? Definitely.... but, I am working now so........

;)

508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:55:27pm

Naso?

Nah. Just gonna watch.

509 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:55:53pm

re: #502 ArmyWife

Until 1952, if a child was born to a U.S. Citizen and an alien parent, the citizen parent had to have resided in the US or its outlying possessions for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after attaining the age of 16 (so the parent had to be 21).

After 1952, a child born to a U.S. Citizen and an alien parent, the citizen parent had to be physically present in the US (or outlying possessions) prior to the child's birth for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after the age of 14 (so the parent had to be 19).

I've seen that, but I'm not sure whether that's the correct interpretation, or whether the point is to prevent people from claiming citizenship for their children, based solely on having spent their childhoods in the U.S.

Would have to ask someone who really get the law.

510 FloridaAnole  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:56:03pm

Tell these nirthers that Obama was born in Hell, and he's taking us all back there at a scorching pace. Aeiouhhhh -- though forty long days have passed since the coronation, it seems like a mere forty years.

511 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:56:32pm
512 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:56:37pm

re: #489 alegrias

what? I was going on about Obama's unmarried mother? Where? Someone mentioned Obama might be embarrassed that his parents weren't actually married, and I noted the marriage would've been null to begin with as his father was a bigamist - I certainly wasn't railing about single parenthood.

513 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:56:42pm

re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist

I have a bunch of Democrats in my family..... and they all either DON'T work, or work as little as possible.... you say you have two jobs..... it just doesn't add up.......

514 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:56:49pm

re: #235 albusteve

I think he might be but I do not know. We will not know unless somebody "leaks" his college stuff. I am not holding my breath for the NYT to do it.

I find his trip to Pakistan to be the most interesting event. "In 1981, Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia and then travelled to Pakistan. According to Obama, he was in Karachi for about three weeks and then visited Hyderabad in India." “Before traveling to Pakistan, American Citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time per visa. Tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. Any traveler coming into Pakistan overland from India must repeat must have a valid visa, as 30 day visas are not repeat not issued at the overland border crossing point at Wagha.” US State Department Travel Advisory for Pakistan in 1981, No. 81-33A, Zia was still running the show before he was blown up.

So hypothetically he might have perhaps been able to do so on his American passport. It would have been easier on his Indonesian passport. A technicality, but one that goes to the heart of one of the big problems I have with Obama. He has been shown to be willing to violate anything he has ever said. I have no confidence that he did not do something here. The bond between America and its president is something of a contract. The contractors submit bids and the American people evaluate those bids in the election. If the contractor submits a bid and says that they will use a certain grade of material, and then they don't, they violate their contract. I just want the contract aka the Constitution to remain in force, no more, no less.

515 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:57:17pm

Really going to store now. Need bread. Need shredded mozzarella. Need to go before the skies open again.

516 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:57:24pm

re: #509 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: www.americanlaw.com...]

517 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:58:15pm

re: #513 Windhorse

I have a bunch of Democrats in my family..... and they all either DON'T work, or work as little as possible.... you say you have two jobs..... it just doesn't add up.......

Maybe I have one of theirs....

//

Mozzarella! Going!

518 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:58:19pm
519 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:58:40pm

re: #515 SanFranciscoZionist

so why do you come here? Just curious

520 jcm  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:59:34pm
521 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 5:59:46pm

Tax, one of the issues with modelling a non linear system is that non linear systems require infinite precision of the initial conditions to exactly reproduce results. This is an impossibility. It puts a limitation on what the models can do and is a valid mathematical statement.

Therefore if the person I was responding to demands perfect reproducability in a model before he believes it has any validity, he is demanding a mathematical impossibility, which is an unfair restriction.

Would you care to tell me why mathematics is getting dinged?

522 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:00:10pm

re: #503 Afrocity

Huh?

I thought you would have more insight. Perhaps you have led a more sheltered life than I.

Do you not have an opinion on why 70+ % of black children are born out of wedlock?

My personal experience is based on being a landlord. 90% of the women, African American, that I come in contact with or rent to or talk to about renting to are single mothers. Some I know well enough to chat with and if I ask why they didn't get married they look at me like I am a real dumb ass, and sometimes say something I don't want to repeat this evening.

And all you can say is "huh".

523 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:00:28pm

re: #488 taxfreekiller

NOAA

Want your job, better toe the commie line.
Want a promotion better toe the commie line.

Want to get re-election money from Chuck Schummer and Pelosi, better
vote the Obama commie budget if your in the Senate or Congress.

Want to be the Chair of the NASA sub committee in Congress, better toe the commie Obama line.
Want to be NASA Administrator and have any budget, better toe the line with the commie Democrat who heads the committee.

ya, there are people who are weak and lie for money, that is not new
and the R's do the same thing,

that is why tfk calls it the "two party evil money cult"

Again. as I asked yesterday, why did they piss off the last administration for the last 8 years by pushing climate change on a unreceptive administration. It defies logic if they were trying to get funding.

524 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:01:06pm

re: #480 Afrocity

She'll get beat again. She needed to press charges and walk away. The pattern is so common.

525 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:01:49pm
526 alegrias  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:02:25pm

re: #512 ArmyWife

what? I was going on about Obama's unmarried mother? Where? Someone mentioned Obama might be embarrassed that his parents weren't actually married, and I noted the marriage would've been null to begin with as his father was a bigamist - I certainly wasn't railing about single parenthood.

* * *
sorry, my apologies, thought you had linked in a previous post to some proof of Obama's mother's unmarried status. Yes, I do believe Obama has said he was born to an unwed mother.

I'm very glad he has chosen a conventional marriage for himself.

527 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:04:22pm
528 albusteve  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:04:41pm

re: #514 Shr_Nfr

I think he might be but I do not know. We will not know unless somebody "leaks" his college stuff. I am not holding my breath for the NYT to do it.

I find his trip to Pakistan to be the most interesting event. "In 1981, Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia and then travelled to Pakistan. According to Obama, he was in Karachi for about three weeks and then visited Hyderabad in India." “Before traveling to Pakistan, American Citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time per visa. Tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. Any traveler coming into Pakistan overland from India must repeat must have a valid visa, as 30 day visas are not repeat not issued at the overland border crossing point at Wagha.” US State Department Travel Advisory for Pakistan in 1981, No. 81-33A, Zia was still running the show before he was blown up.

So hypothetically he might have perhaps been able to do so on his American passport. It would have been easier on his Indonesian passport. A technicality, but one that goes to the heart of one of the big problems I have with Obama. He has been shown to be willing to violate anything he has ever said. I have no confidence that he did not do something here. The bond between America and its president is something of a contract. The contractors submit bids and the American people evaluate those bids in the election. If the contractor submits a bid and says that they will use a certain grade of material, and then they don't, they violate their contract. I just want the contract aka the Constitution to remain in force, no more, no less.

well said...you speak for me...seems like a good subject to invoke his heralded transparency...

529 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:08:08pm

re: #522 Naso Tang

I thought you would have more insight. Perhaps you have led a more sheltered life than I.

Do you not have an opinion on why 70+ % of black children are born out of wedlock?

My personal experience is based on being a landlord. 90% of the women, African American, that I come in contact with or rent to or talk to about renting to are single mothers. Some I know well enough to chat with and if I ask why they didn't get married they look at me like I am a real dumb ass, and sometimes say something I don't want to repeat this evening.

And all you can say is "huh".

I can't speak for all black women and why should you expect me to?
If marriage would solve all the problems of the black race, I think someone brighter than you would have thought about that.

By the way, I am not a single mother. Work, educated all that good stuff. But if you ever really want the answer to your question I suggest you come to Chicago and go to the Englewood neighborhood on the southside and put a walking billboard on with your question. I am sure you will have your answer in record time.

530 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:09:36pm

re: #516 ArmyWife

[Link: www.americanlaw.com...]

That seems to say it clearly.

531 ArmyWife  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:09:52pm

re: #526 alegrias

No big thing - and I am a strong advocate for children being in a 2 parent household. It is what is best, assuming no abuse/drug issues.

532 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:10:13pm

re: #527 taxfreekiller

logic means nothing to cultist like Schummer and Pelosi

#521

because you are attempting to find the solution of infinity

"The solution to infinity" HUH? What are you saying? Is this some reference to the continuum hypothesis?

Are you perhaps angry at the notion of a Lyaponov Exponent?

Are you actually trying to say something mathematical or is "the solution to infinity" the kind of thing that you think someone might take seriously with if you just say it loud and cryptically enough? You are starting to seem to me like someone who does not know mathematics enough to say the things he is saying.

533 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:12:14pm

re: #527 taxfreekiller

logic means nothing to cultist like Schummer and Pelosi

#521

because you are attempting to find the solution of infinity

In fact, let me be clear. I am now calling you out. Make some mathematical sense out of your last comment or be exposed as a complete fraud yourself.

534 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:13:54pm

re: #521 LudwigVanQuixote


Would you care to tell me why mathematics is getting dinged?

Once you've disagreed with TFK, he'll ding down a good morning post from you. You make 20 posts, 20 ding downs, it's a hobby of his, the content of your post does not matter. Like you, I refuse to respond in kind.

535 dkorta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:14:41pm

re: #300 BlueCanuck

Yeah, but my problem with the whole AGW stuff is that the same people screaming about it now were screaming about the coming ice age in the late seventies. So pardon me if I don't believe a single word about what they say of the climate. Especially how we are supposed to influence it so horribly.

This article tracks media driven climate change hysteria over the course of a century, during which time they go from cooling to warming to cooling and finally back to warming.

[Link: www.businessandmedia.org...]

536 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:15:31pm

re: #529 Afrocity

I can't speak for all black women and why should you expect me to?
If marriage would solve all the problems of the black race, I think someone brighter than you would have thought about that.

By the way, I am not a single mother. Work, educated all that good stuff. But if you ever really want the answer to your question I suggest you come to Chicago and go to the Englewood neighborhood on the southside and put a walking billboard on with your question. I am sure you will have your answer in record time.

In cases of single moms regardless of race. Extended families supplant the father. Assessment of welfare income negates the immediate need for a father. Teenagers are unrealistic about life til life hits them. The MTV culture doesn't understand fatherhood and it's responsibilities. Drugs are SO prevalent everywhere it makes it difficult for a young father or young mother to be emotionally responsible.

Legalize Marijuana and then ship heroin/crack dealers to Singapore and kids will be off to a better start.

537 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:16:07pm

re: #529 Afrocity

I can't speak for all black women and why should you expect me to?
If marriage would solve all the problems of the black race, I think someone brighter than you would have thought about that.

By the way, I am not a single mother. Work, educated all that good stuff. But if you ever really want the answer to your question I suggest you come to Chicago and go to the Englewood neighborhood on the southside and put a walking billboard on with your question. I am sure you will have your answer in record time.

It is not matter of race. I thought you would have recognized that I meant that.

It is a matter of culture.

I have read enough of your posts to know that you know what I mean and I hope that you don't think I mean disrespect to you, but the fact that you seem defensive when I state a fact of everyday life surprises me.

538 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:16:21pm

re: #534 avanti

Once you've disagreed with TFK, he'll ding down a good morning post from you. You make 20 posts, 20 ding downs, it's a hobby of his, the content of your post does not matter. Like you, I refuse to respond in kind.

How childish!

I have honestly just put a test to him. There are some mathematically sophisicated lizards here besides just me. Either he makes some sense of his last statement or we will all know he is simply putting on airs he does not have.

539 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:17:04pm

re: #534 avanti

Once you've disagreed with TFK, he'll ding down a good morning post from you. You make 20 posts, 20 ding downs, it's a hobby of his, the content of your post does not matter. Like you, I refuse to respond in kind.

Take the dingage in stride. It's just someone that disagrees with you.

540 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:18:22pm

re: #483 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, it then matters what dependence you want. We do not have lithium in this country and we get our nickel from either Canada or Russia. Only a small number of folks make solar panels in this country. Evergreen in Marlboro, MA is probably the only large manufacturer of efficient ones. Aten makes panels, but they only make sense if you can devote a lot of real estate to them. GE makes some wind turbines, but most of them are made by an Indian firm. If you want a big lead-acid battery bank, you will deal with Rolls-Shurette from Canada. They used to be in MA, but moved a while back to get nearer the source of raw materials. Also probably to get away from the ratty tax environment. Most of our yellowcake is imported these days. Bottom line, except for coal and to a lesser extent ng, most of our energy supplies have a foreign country in the critical path.

At present, the climate models are still in the preliminary stage from my viewpoint. Jamming solar and wind on people instead of using coal only increases the cost of energy and does an transfer of wealth between the interior of the country and other places. Since energy is a prime input to almost everything, an increase in the cost of energy will result in a decrease in productivity for the final products expressed in dollars in per unit of output.

I have a reasonably large solar panel array and a 50KWH/100KWH 20/100 hour discharge rate battery bank, charge controllers, inverters, distribution panels and the whole mess. This machine is being powered off of it as I type. I have been in the trenches with solar power. Not all is neat and clean as people would have you believe. It is not install and forget either with the battery bank. Feeding electricity from a residence back into a net meter is not a done deal. 50% of the time during the day, the grid is outside of IEEE spec. My inverter does not consider that stable enough to sell back into. Bottom line there is that I may put a secondary panel in and run more of the in-house circuits off the inverter. I was hoping that I could use the net metering as a large "battery", but I can't. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt. Its a hobby or a government's sinkhole. Not much else.

541 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:18:46pm

i'm not going to buy into man made global warming.
this newly created phenomenon that is being pushed by people like algore as an
immediate major threat to our existence is ridiculous. it's hysteria,
just a few decades ago, the big fear was global cooling. literally we were told we would be freezing to death in the coming yrs.
i see the whole thing as a means to to frighten and control people.
the earth has cooled and warmed for 5 billion yrs.
and now in the last 15 it is of imminent concern to the extent that we must bankrupt our economy.
i call bull shit on that. because of the timing and the nature of the power grab and the money involved going to make the adherents to the idea very wealthy people.

542 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:19:14pm

Speaking of NOAA.... I had to call them a week or so ago to inquire about the tide extremes at a remote spot in Alaska that didn't show up on the NOAA website. I spoke with a person there who, upon hearing my inquiry, told me that she didn't know anything about tides.... that I should look at the National Weather Service website.....

ahhh.... our tax dollars at work......

543 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:19:16pm

re: #539 hazzyday

Take the dingage in stride. It's just someone that disagrees with you.


Yeah that doesn't seem right to me. I reserve dings only for truly offensive remarks. I'm not sure howmany I have made, but it is quite few. I personally don't think we should ding just for making a polite argument to the contrary. We are not a theocracy or a playground.

544 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:20:11pm

re: #535 dkorta

This article tracks media driven climate change hysteria over the course of a century, during which time they go from cooling to warming to cooling and finally back to warming.

[Link: www.businessandmedia.org...]

The media loves a good story, no one should rely on the media or Al Gore's hype for that matter for the best science on climate change.

545 reign of witches  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:20:34pm

Barak Obama is an idiot.
Barak Obama is a socialist idiot
Barak Obama is a spend-happy socialist idiot
Barak Obama is a tax-your-ass spend-happy socialist idiot
Barak Obama is a tax-your-ass spend-happy apologist socialist idiot
But...
Barak Obama is an American idiot.

Sorry, guys. He's one of ours, just like that smelly uncle with the police record that none of your extended family invites to Thanksgiving.

546 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:21:37pm

re: #539 hazzyday

Take the dingage in stride. It's just someone that disagrees with you.

In stride hell, I'm going for the LGF ding down record.:)

547 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:21:37pm

re: #537 Naso Tang

It is not matter of race. I thought you would have recognized that I meant that.

It is a matter of culture.

I have read enough of your posts to know that you know what I mean and I hope that you don't think I mean disrespect to you, but the fact that you seem defensive when I state a fact of everyday life surprises me.

Again what is disrespectful about your question to me is that I can't speak for the black race or culture. It sounds like you understand it more than I do since you implied that my life is sheltered and you obviously rent to suchj women. So why not "take it to the streets" and ask them or better yet for the sake of your real estate endeavors maybe you would want to hold off on that because if they became educated and married you might just lose your best tennants.

548 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:23:04pm

re: #539 hazzyday

Take the dingage in stride. It's just someone that disagrees with you.

In my opinion, down dings are reserved for a post that is so damn dumb that a reply is not worth the effort.

On the other hand it could also mean that the down dinger doesn't have anything intelligent to say except "ding", so use it at your peril.

549 Macker  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:23:06pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

So you're biracial. Black and Grey. Do you identify more with one racial identity?

/oh God, I might need to

And I thought we are all Cylons.

550 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:25:09pm

re: #522 Naso Tang

I thought you would have more insight. Perhaps you have led a more sheltered life than I.

Do you not have an opinion on why 70+ % of black children are born out of wedlock?

My personal experience is based on being a landlord. 90% of the women, African American, that I come in contact with or rent to or talk to about renting to are single mothers. Some I know well enough to chat with and if I ask why they didn't get married they look at me like I am a real dumb ass, and sometimes say something I don't want to repeat this evening.

And all you can say is "huh".

For the kids of my single mom tenants. I always tried to define core values.

1. Would do a handshake with them
2. I always had jobs for them
3. Tell them how drugs made my life hard.
4. How drinking and driving was bad.
5. Be polite and honest with the police.

I got a lot of late rents from that I think. Made life tough. Bank were not so accommodating.

551 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:26:58pm

re: #540 Shr_Nfr

Well, it then matters what dependence you want. We do not have lithium in this country and we get our nickel from either Canada or Russia. Only a small number of folks make solar panels in this country...

We seem to be talking at cross purposes. At no point was I really trying to get into differnt energy sources per se. Personally, the only thing we have on the shelf now that makes the numbers work out is fission. We can build fission reactors that can't melt down today. But that is another discussion.

As to the models themselves, no-one claims that they are complete or that they are perfect. One of the legitimate limitations of the models comes from computation itself and the nature of non-linear equations. I was specificly asking what your standard of good enough is, when the only thing we will ever be able to really calculate over the long term are statistics.

That said, there have been great successes between the hstorical data and many models in terms of the large scale trends. So I am asking what constitutes "good enough" for you given the mathematical realities of the situation?

552 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:27:46pm

re: #549 Macker

And I thought we are all Cylons.


SO SAY WE ALL!

553 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:28:15pm

re: #548 Naso Tang

In my opinion, down dings are reserved for a post that is so damn dumb that a reply is not worth the effort.

On the other hand it could also mean that the down dinger doesn't have anything intelligent to say except "ding", so use it at your peril.

Thanks for the tip (as I down ding your #491 and #522)/

554 cousin it  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:29:42pm

You know there are UFOs, they are an everyday occurrence...they are just "unidentified flying objects" which doesn't mean they are from outer space. As for witches, well why don't you ask Laurie her opinion? [Link: www.lauriecabot.com...] I'm nitpicking of course but these are two bad examples as both actually do exist. I wonder how many Americans believe in Santa Claus or God...neither of which can be proved to exist. Hmm....

555 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:29:42pm

re: #548 Naso Tang

In my opinion, down dings are reserved for a post that is so damn dumb that a reply is not worth the effort.

On the other hand it could also mean that the down dinger doesn't have anything intelligent to say except "ding", so use it at your peril.

I'll upding anything that makes me laugh or seems real smart. But I don't read all threads. Some are like a book takes a long time to think through them.

I will down ding in rare occasions. But I think here to each their own.

556 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:30:30pm
557 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:30:44pm

re: #541 nyc redneck

i'm not going to buy into man made global warming.
this newly created phenomenon that is being pushed by people like algore as an
immediate major threat to our existence is ridiculous. it's hysteria,
just a few decades ago, the big fear was global cooling. literally we were told we would be freezing to death in the coming yrs.
i see the whole thing as a means to to frighten and control people.
the earth has cooled and warmed for 5 billion yrs.
and now in the last 15 it is of imminent concern to the extent that we must bankrupt our economy.
i call bull shit on that. because of the timing and the nature of the power grab and the money involved going to make the adherents to the idea very wealthy people.


There are two things to separate out in your argument.

Moonbats who cry "the world will end tomorrow" are nothing more than political hysteria. Thai is not the science and they do not help the cause of science.

However, the counter reaction, that since the loonies are frothing over this, there must be nothing to it is equally false.

558 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:31:06pm

re: #553 Afrocity
hang in their kid.

559 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:31:14pm

re: #547 Afrocity

Again what is disrespectful about your question to me is that I can't speak for the black race or culture. It sounds like you understand it more than I do since you implied that my life is sheltered and you obviously rent to suchj women. So why not "take it to the streets" and ask them or better yet for the sake of your real estate endeavors maybe you would want to hold off on that because if they became educated and married you might just lose your best tennants.

I apologize for bringing you into a discussion without your assent. I should not have done so assuming that you would simply know my mind and affirm what I was trying to say.

You should however be aware that it is you who have labeled yourself as an African American woman in this forum, presumably because you see that as a part of your identity worth publicizing, as opposed to simply being another American.

I too have an ethnic background, which might be mentioned from time to time, but I prefer to call myself by a fish I like. Take that as you will.

560 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:31:50pm

re: #556 taxfreekiller

Its not a "nerth" snow storm

[Link:

561 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:33:03pm

re: #556 taxfreekiller

Its not a "nerth" snow storm

But you are a nirth mathematician. Explain your infinity comment or stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

562 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:35:20pm

re: #556 taxfreekiller

Its not a "nerth" snow storm

[Link:

563 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:35:27pm

re: #519 Afrocity

so why do you come here? Just curious

I like talking to like-minded people about issues having to do with Israel and the Middle East, and I actually like the evolution threads. I also like hearing about events from a perspective I don't usually get in my immediate family and neighorhood. Often I disagree, sometimes I find out new things.

People here are funny, and generally smart, and anti-Semites get kicked to the curb.

That's basically it.

564 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:35:40pm

re: #550 hazzyday

Where was your sarc tag?

565 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:35:48pm

re: #559 Naso Tang

I apologize for bringing you into a discussion without your assent. I should not have done so assuming that you would simply know my mind and affirm what I was trying to say.

You should however be aware that it is you who have labeled yourself as an African American woman in this forum, presumably because you see that as a part of your identity worth publicizing, as opposed to simply being another American.

I too have an ethnic background, which might be mentioned from time to time, but I prefer to call myself by a fish I like. Take that as you will.

Your comments to me might have been more effective had you omitted the sentence:

but ask Afrocity why more black women just get horny now and then

Yeah....that was a real winner there.

566 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:36:11pm

re: #5 opnion

He's not?

He was seen just last week buying gas in, oh wait a second that was Jimmy Hoffa...sorry!


/S

567 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:37:15pm

re: #563 SanFranciscoZionist

....meanwhile, back at the ranch..... why not a Repub? You are cut from rare cloth my friend...

568 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:38:36pm

re: #565 Afrocity

Yeah....that was a real winner there.

Yes, that was crude. I apologize again; on the other hand I said it knowing that exactly the same thing happens to other women too.

569 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:38:41pm

I am having some difficulty with the quote posting... I am not sure why. I am certainly doing something silly.

So let me respond to TFK and all the dinging once again.

Explain the infinity comment, or admit you don't know enough math to argue like you are.

I susoect that you are a fraud but giving you a chance to defend yourself. Since you have made a whole bunch of posts with out answering, and managed only to froth angrily some more and the go on a ding fest, I have to conclude that you actually have no clue.

570 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:39:03pm

re: #563 SanFranciscoZionist

You should try the place I left. THE CONFLUENCE. They would like you there.
Tell em Afrocity sent you.

571 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:39:48pm

re: #564 Naso Tang

Where was your sarc tag?

I'm not smart enough to remember one, although I will note to people who forget theirs. Sarcasm escapes me if it has one degree of nuance in it.

572 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:40:49pm

Tax free killer - why did you downding my comment on #501 about the nirthers. Are you an offended nirther? Or just extremely petty?

573 dkorta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:40:52pm

re: #544 avanti

The media loves a good story, no one should rely on the media or Al Gore's hype for that matter for the best science on climate change.

The question remains what the "best science" is, or should I say, what the "best computer models" are. Especially when the sun is modeled approximately as a constant by the IPCC, or at least was when this article was written.

[Link: www.john-daly.com...]

574 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:41:20pm
575 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:42:35pm

re: #572 Jimmah

Tax free killer - why did you downding my comment on #501 about the nirthers. Are you an offended nirther? Or just extremely petty?


How is it that you can tell who up/down dings you ?

576 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:43:10pm

re: #571 hazzyday

I'm not smart enough to remember one, although I will note to people who forget theirs. Sarcasm escapes me if it has one degree of nuance in it.

Yes, I like to think that my comments sometimes include an implied one. So much more effective that way. On the other hand it can backfire. I just pissed off Afrocity when I might have said essentially the same thing with a suitably placed sarc, and she would just have thought I was an ass instead of a royal ass.

/

577 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:43:31pm

I don't know why Avanti comes here. His karma is in the toilet in hell.
I think he/she would like a moderate DEM blog better than here.

578 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:44:32pm

re: #572 Jimmah

I dinged you up, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. :)

579 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:45:30pm

re: #574 taxfreekiller

you will debate this issue to infinity

facts, do not count,

the end game is as avanti put it,

"I'll be gone when the truth is known, so the facts current or in the future do not matter"

The only thing that does count is your need to believe.
So you attack me, rather than find facts that are real.

Congratulations, my first ding. I ask you which of the facts in my first post on the topic - or any of the facts I have discussed are not real. Further, this started with you didnging a mathematical statement. Was the mathematics not real either?

From your reply it is obvious that you don't know the math, so where do you get off calling mathematics you do not understand not real? You would not know the difference either way.

580 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:45:37pm
581 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:46:07pm

Hazzyday - re your downding - it doesn't seem reasonable to you to question tfk's petty downdinging and pull him up for it?

582 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:46:25pm
583 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:47:03pm

re: #575 brookly red

How is it that you can tell who up/down dings you ?

Click on the ding number on your post - it will pop up.

584 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:47:17pm

OK guys I have to go AFK for a few....

I'll be back later...

585 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:47:43pm

re: #578 avanti

Thanks avanti :)

586 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:47:46pm

re: #576 Naso Tang

Yes, I like to think that my comments sometimes include an implied one. So much more effective that way. On the other hand it can backfire. I just pissed off Afrocity when I might have said essentially the same thing with a suitably placed sarc, and she would just have thought I was an ass instead of a royal ass.

/

Your statement played into every stereotype of black women. Those that describe us as possessing unquestionable moral character, and defined as immoral and sinful, horny. Just as black men are seen as Mandingo types with large penises. You could have got you point across with out the sexual connotations.

587 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:48:15pm

re: #581 Jimmah

Hazzyday - re your downding - it doesn't seem reasonable to you to question tfk's petty downdinging and pull him up for it?

I don't down ding much. It was spontaneous amusement to me. ignore it. thanks.

588 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:49:03pm

re: #580 taxfreekiller

I have my old ID card from Sandia Lab.

I have my old ID card from the high energy micro wave research and development dept. at General Dynamics Ft. Worth.

I have my ID card from Operation Igloo White Vietnam 1966-1969

I have my EE degree from U.T. Arlington, in Texas.

and I have this, special for you,,,, screw you


And none the less, with all of that experience, you have proven that you don't know the math I was talking about when you decided it was false and started being rude.

589 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:49:17pm

re: #577 Afrocity

awwww, come on... it's all good.

590 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:49:46pm

re: #557 LudwigVanQuixote

There are two things to separate out in your argument.

Moonbats who cry "the world will end tomorrow" are nothing more than political hysteria. Thai is not the science and they do not help the cause of science.

However, the counter reaction, that since the loonies are frothing over this, there must be nothing to it is equally false.

i understand that. i also know that in such a short time as 15 to 20 yrs.
nothing that drastic could have happened to make the condition of the earth such an emergency.
all the doom and gloom for the future is based on unknowns.
these speculative global models of what is to come are really just astrology.
so i look to who is gaining from the alleged crisis. and that is who i distrust.
follow the money.
i think we need slow down and stop the madness abt. global warming.

591 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:50:29pm

re: #578 avanti

I dinged you up, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. :)

I see you got updinged. Only 716 more to go to get to zero.

592 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:51:24pm

re: #577 Afrocity

I don't know why Avanti comes here. His karma is in the toilet in hell.
I think he/she would like a moderate DEM blog better than here.

I haven't followed that in detail, except to note that I know to watch my ding back for TFK. He can sneak up on you.

593 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:51:35pm

re: #583 Jimmah

Click on the ding number on your post - it will pop up.

OK, if I ever say anything important I will try that :)

594 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:52:33pm

re: #587 hazzyday

I don't down ding much. It was spontaneous amusement to me. ignore it. thanks.

Cool. I spontaneously amused myself on your post there in reciprocation. Be sure and ignore that too.

595 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:53:25pm

I have no problems with Avanti for the record.
I can't remember if Avanti voted for Obama or not.
All I know is his karma takes hits like a battleship.

596 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:53:32pm

re: #580 taxfreekiller

I have my old ID card from Sandia Lab.

I have my old ID card from the high energy micro wave research and development dept. at General Dynamics Ft. Worth.

I have my ID card from Operation Igloo White Vietnam 1966-1969

I have my EE degree from U.T. Arlington, in Texas.

and I have this, special for you,,,, screw you

What valid card do you have, other than the last one?

597 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:53:44pm

re: #577 Afrocity

I don't know why Avanti comes here. His karma is in the toilet in hell.
I think he/she would like a moderate DEM blog better than here.

Not that it matters, but my Karma was over a plus 100 before I ticked off taxfreekiller. I still get up dings but I'll never see positive territory again. I don't like hanging out with the choir, I learn more from different opinions rather the "right is full of stupid religious wacko's " talk all day. Charles will boot me off if he feels I step over the line. In the mean time, I'll try to keep a coaster under my beer in his living room.:)

598 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:53:46pm

re: #567 Windhorse

....meanwhile, back at the ranch..... why not a Repub? You are cut from rare cloth my friend...

Not so much--I'm pretty ordinary for where I live.

I generally avoid trying to define my liberalism on this fortum, but what the heck--basically, raised Democrat, in a very deep blue area, socially very liberal, fiscally a bit middle-of-the road. Strong on defense and crime issues, but not convinced that national Republican candidates have done as well with these as they believe. Very alienated by the religious right and aggressive social conservatives, pro gay marriage, pro-choice, easily offended by stunts like Sarah Palin's 'small town values' shtick.

I considered voting for McCain. I was a staunch Hillary supporter, and have some serious doubts about Obama, although I do not agree with some of the folks here that he is a world-government promoting communist from the depths of hell. McCain lost my vote, I think, basically over three things--Palin, his lack of a focused response to the financial meltdown, and a moment in one of the debates when he did little 'quotes' with his hands about the 'health of the mother'.

I could potentially vote for a Republican presidential candidate--God forbid my mother should see this--and I may, in fact, vote for a Republican governor for California, depending on who comes out of the pack. On a fundamental level, though, the Republican platform does not draw me in enough to lure me much, and I haven't seen any signs that they really want me.

I believe in freedom, quasi-traditional living, self-reliance, and not trying to make people do things my way. I also believe that a strong, multi-faceted safety net is necessary to a society like ours, and that with my taxes, as Oliver Wendell Holmes put it, I buy civilization.

I write this with great nervousness, because honestly, I don't want to spend all evening defending every detail of my political views--but basically, that's why.

599 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:54:18pm

re: #570 Afrocity

You should try the place I left. THE CONFLUENCE. They would like you there.
Tell em Afrocity sent you.

Sure. What is it?

600 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:55:12pm

re: #597 avanti

I see you registered on Thanksgiving, 2008. Hmmm

601 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:55:52pm

re: #575 brookly red

How is it that you can tell who up/down dings you ?

Click on the post's number. A breakdown of who dinged up and down comes up.

602 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:58:07pm
603 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:59:06pm

re: #600 Afrocity

mean is not becoming.

604 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:59:18pm

re: #582 Iron Fist

Funding ultimately comes from congress, but you knew that. Administrations come and go, but the powers in Congress tend to stay there. Many of the Bureaucrats, while technically part of the Executive branch, owe their fortunes to patronage in the Legislature. Either patronage if the issue or patronage of the person themselves. It is just a guess, but I'd suspect that the former is the most common.

Anyway, you want to turn out results that your patron wants to hear. The whole controversy of "climate change" came into being late in the Clinton Administration. For the most part, those bureaucrats have been there since them. We are talking about career bureaucrats, not the titular head(s) that are actually appointed by the various administrations. Their interest (and that of their appointed leadership, for the most part) is in continuing their funding. None of them are going to report results that make their position look like a waste of money that should be cut.

So it is no real surprise that the Gorebull Warmists in various departments that are studying Global Climate Change with Federal funding found that what they were studying existed, and that it was a real priority when time came to fund it, because without their efforts the World would End!

So our budgetary requirements require a 50% increase in our funding, of course. Then when the Republican Congress gave them a 10% increase in budgets, it was reported as a 40% decrease in funding.

These are simply the games career bureaucrats play.

The long time bureaucrat argument you make is actually pretty good, but it does not explain the world wide bias toward AGW.

605 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 6:59:22pm

re: #599 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure. What is it?

The Confluence

606 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:00:29pm

re: #577 Afrocity

I don't know why Avanti comes here. His karma is in the toilet in hell.
I think he/she would like a moderate DEM blog better than here.

I like reading avanti's posts, I find him to be very reasonable even though I don't always agree with him. A person's karma doesn't always mean they are an asshole. Sometimes, as in avanti's situation, it's because of the actions of one or two obsessive stalkers - specifically tfk in this instance - who spend long hours systematically downdinging their target's posts regardless of their content.

607 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:01:04pm

re: #603 brookly red

mean is not becoming.

Hey brooklyn don't get your Park Slope all caught in a rope. I actually meant that in an interesting way.

608 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:01:17pm

re: #600 Afrocity

I see you registered on Thanksgiving, 2008. Hmmm

Hmmm, are you trying to make a point ?

609 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:02:49pm

re: #598 SanFranciscoZionist

I respect your point of view. There are a number of things that we might argue about..... but nevertheless, I respect your opinions because you did such a good job of stating them...

I am basically against lazy sons a bitches who refuse to work for anything and expect everything given to them..... as a matter of course.....

by the way.... has Obama ever worked an honest day in his life? you know, like.... where he broke a sweat and wondered at the end of the week whether he was gonna make it..... where he could stand with his head up, looking at the work he had done that week and could be proud of it?

610 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:03:51pm

re: #586 Afrocity

Your statement played into every stereotype of black women. Those that describe us as possessing unquestionable moral character, and defined as immoral and sinful, horny. Just as black men are seen as Mandingo types with large penises. You could have got you point across with out the sexual connotations.

Give me a break. You are sounding like the PC people you pretend to want to get away from.

There is a specifically definite problem with black culture in this country and if you want to call it stereotyping you should go to Daily Kos, not here.

I've apologized enough to your personal sensitivities already. If you don't want to be assumed to know more than others in that area, then call yourself AmericanCity. I don't know what the hell Afro has to do with America anymore.

Have I got your attention now?

611 brookly red  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:05:08pm

re: #607 Afrocity

Hey brooklyn don't get your Park Slope all caught in a rope. I actually meant that in an interesting way.

Fort Greene/Bed Stuy actually... and I was juss sayin take it easy. ight?

612 dkorta  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:05:16pm

re: #598 SanFranciscoZionist

... easily offended by stunts like Sarah Palin's 'small town values' shtick.....

.


So you consider Wasilla, Alaska to be something other than a small town?

Perhaps you're really from White, South Dakota. /

613 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:08:12pm

re: #612 dkorta

I agree..... Sarah Palin is from a small town, and is as real as they come.... Please, anyone who has a problem with Sarah Palin, do me a favor..... go get elected Governor of Alaska and then drop me a line.

614 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:08:38pm

re: #610 Naso Tang

And what does your use of the word horny have to do with any of that? That is what I object to.
And if you assumed that I knew more than you did about the so called in your own words "horny" black women that you rent to in your multi-household dwelling than that was pretty damned ignorant on your part.

By the way Afro does not EVEN mean what you think it does in terms of my screen name.

615 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:09:18pm
616 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:09:36pm

re: #606 Jimmah

I like reading avanti's posts, I find him to be very reasonable even though I don't always agree with him. A person's karma doesn't always mean they are an asshole. Sometimes, as in avanti's situation, it's because of the actions of one or two obsessive stalkers - specifically tfk in this instance - who spend long hours systematically downdinging their target's posts regardless of their content.

Until I came here, I had a pretty typical leftie view of the right. There are a few of the stereotypical types, but lots of bright open minded posters too. I never expected to find many atheists, blacks or gays on the right for example. I bought all the the standard hype about the right.

617 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:14:16pm

re: #604 avanti

The long time bureaucrat argument you make is actually pretty good, but it does not explain the world wide bias toward AGW.

we are "biased" toward AGW because it is just a step removed from the practice
of sacrificing virgins because the sun was 'lost' in a solar eclipse.
there is too much hysteria abt. it. and too quickly from out of no where.
and too much money going to the ones who force the agenda and benefit from it.

snake oil salesmen have been around forever, and rational people are naturally uneasy around of them.

618 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:14:56pm
619 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:15:15pm
620 tommylotto  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:15:27pm
A quick reality check, before we dive in: The challenges to Obama’s eligibility have no grounding in evidence. Courts across the country have summarily rejected the movement’s theory — that Obama can’t be a citizen because his father wasn’t —as a misreading of U.S. law; and Hawaii officials, along with contemporary birth announcements, affirm that Obama was in fact born in Honolulu in 1961.

1) None of the Obama cases have been decided on their merits. They have had requests for preliminary extraordinary relief denied (not a final finding on the merits) or have been dismissed on legal technicalities such as standing. If there is a case out there that has made a legal finding that Obama is a natural born citizen, cite it to me.

2) There is no law whatsoever on the meaning of “natural born citizen” as used in the Constitution. That term of art is used only in the Presidential qualification language, and does not necessarily mean just a citizen at the time of birth. It is a meritorious legal argument that a dual citizen with dual loyalties is not a natural born citizen. That question has never been addressed by the Courts in the context of a Presidential qualification contest. We just do not know how the court will rule on that question, because it has never been addressed. So, anyone who claims this “conspiracy” is based on a misreading of the law — what law? Point me to the authority that says a dual citizen at birth is a natural born citizen (as that term is used in the Constitution).

3) I agree that Obama has a BC that says he was born in Hawaii. That merely creates a rebuttable presumption. Such a presumption can be overcome by other evidence. The plaintiffs claim to have a grandmother that says he saw him born in Kenya. It sounds kooky to me, but it is enough in my mind to allow them discovery. If all they find is the hearsay statement of a confused old lady, then we can laugh at them, but first we need to give them the opportunity to take discovery, deposition and issue subpoenas.

Laughing at the conspiracy theorists is premature at this point, because there has never been an orthodoxy established on any of these points - JUST ASSUMPTIONS OF ORTHODOXY by the pliant.

I would have no problem with this issue going away for ever. All we need to do is have a Court specifically find that Obama is a natural born citizen in spite of the fact that at the time of his birth he was a dual US Citizen / British subject. I think Thomas Paine would roll over in his grave, but whatever. That issue will be resolved. Then we need to allow the plaintiff’s to conduct their discovery, maybe the original vault copy of the BC is viewed in camera by the judge and counsel and not disclosed publicly. Then after it is established that there is insufficient evidence to overcome the presumption created by his valid BC, then we can set this issue aside and laugh at all the nutz still following it. However, that time has not yet come!

621 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:15:34pm

re: #615 taxfreekiller

avanti makes my Navy look bad, so screw him

do not like it,,, so what

Democrats are killing my country, the lies of the global warming, climate change are killing my county, also,,

so I and others fight back and it pisses off the liars is all I can do the math on....

Hate to break it to you fella, it's not your Navy, it's the United States Navy OUR Navy. It may come as a shock to you, but Democrats are allowed to serve and there was no check mark saying "do you support Commie climate change" on my security clearance form.

622 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:17:39pm
623 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:18:25pm

re: #614 Afrocity

And what does your use of the word horny have to do with any of that? That is what I object to.
And if you assumed that I knew more than you did about the so called in your own words "horny" black women that you rent to in your multi-household dwelling than that was pretty damned ignorant on your part.

By the way Afro does not EVEN mean what you think it does in terms of my screen name.

Look, we are getting into a cat fight here that I don't want, since I'm not a cat. The fact is that I apologized for using the word horny. You used a lot more words that seemed to pop into your mind.

The truth is that when I see a woman in her 20's or 30's, black or white or whatever, with 2,3,4 kids and never married, then I figure they got horny 1,2,3,4 times, at least. Is that hard to understand.

We have a problem in this country, and your apparent denial, or ignorance of it is part of the problem.

No more apologies my dear, you've had your quota.

624 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:20:21pm

re: #618 Iron Fist

Iron Fist, my issue was with his use of the word horny which lowered my respect for him. Who phrases a question like that and that is why I said Huh? because I thought is he for real? Is is also stupid to think that I am more able to speak on those issues than anyone else. He obviously interacts with these women on the monthly basis at least. Perhaps he should invite them to a focus group and give them 5% off of their rent as an incentive. He might have a dissertation come out of it or something.

625 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:22:11pm
626 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:28:43pm
627 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:28:50pm

re: #625 Iron Fist

With respect, paranoia doesn't help the case. Kyoto was a classic case of wimps getting what they thought was something better than nothing and maybe tomorrow they could get more. I don't think it was an economic war conspiracy, since obviously that would fail simply by the fact that the US didn't comply. Now we will have to see how Obama & Co. address this, but at the risk of offending some, I suspect they may be smart enough to know what some of the potential costs will be.

As to AGW and your arguments, did you see an response I made to the "lagging" graph you posted some threads back?

628 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:29:56pm

re: #626 taxfreekiller

Keep in mind, facts do not count ........

Lost me right about there. No need to read further.

629 Afrocity  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:31:07pm

I am taking off I am hungry and my sushi delivery is here and I want to watch this Red Sands DVD about some US soldiers being haunted in Afghanistan in 2006.

Goodnight, all.

((((Iron Fist)))))

..and I did say hungry and not horny/

630 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:35:47pm

re: #619 taxfreekiller

ps

John F. Kerry supports Al Gore and global warming/climate change,
thats thee strikes before the pitcher gets to the mound and picks up
the base ball.

Brilliant!

Next thing you will say is that you will support or oppose an issue just based on whatever movie actors' opinions are.

Hey, throw in baseball player opinions too (pitch in).

Asinine.

631 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:36:36pm
632 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:39:24pm

re: #631 taxfreekiller

Now I get it, the world is insane, has accepted the lie of global warming by man and all this hockey therefore all others must jump off the boat just because others believe bull shit.

just because the cult is large does not make it not a cult

I thought you previously said it was a cult?

You know what?

I think you are smashed stupider than usual this evening. Take a handful of aspirins and pass out. You'll feel better by next week, I'm sure.

633 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:41:34pm
634 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:42:01pm
635 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:43:30pm

Algore is a phony piece of shit..... Anyone who believes his BS is either extremely naive, or just stupid.

636 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:47:48pm

re: #605 Afrocity

The Confluence

Cool, I'll check 'em out.

637 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:49:47pm
638 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:50:38pm

re: #609 Windhorse

I respect your point of view. There are a number of things that we might argue about..... but nevertheless, I respect your opinions because you did such a good job of stating them...

I am basically against lazy sons a bitches who refuse to work for anything and expect everything given to them..... as a matter of course.....

Thank you for the respect. I'm also against lazy sons of bitches!

639 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:50:43pm

re: #620 tommylotto

The problem is, it will never be settled to a conspiracy theorist's satisfaction. This is the way these kookspiracy theories work. If a court decides against it: Moonbat/biased judge. If someone produces a document (which, by the way has happened at the state level): It's either a fake, or "Lemme see a different one". If BH0 or his family says something: They're lying. If birth announcements in Hawaiin newspapers are found (which has also happened): They're faked.

Kookspiracy theorists reject everything except that which validates their own predetermined outcome. It's usually not the case at hand that is the big problem for them, it's usually a bigger fear of tyranny and government from the side in power. We all have it when "the other side" is in, but some choose better outlets for dealing with it than debunked conspiracy theories. It is the political equivalent of a get rich quick scheme.

640 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:52:54pm

re: #612 dkorta

So you consider Wasilla, Alaska to be something other than a small town?

Perhaps you're really from White, South Dakota. /

No, Wasilla is a small town. I was offended by the repeated implication that people from small towns are better and different than other Americans.

641 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:55:12pm

Listen TFK, you pretend to debate but really are a little ding stalker here. One thing that pisses me off more than anything is an asshole like you who doesn't have the courage to address a direct response to a post, except by down dinging it.

Lost your tongue, along with your little diitto heads like that nyc redneck and windhorse sidekicks who follow you?

642 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:56:57pm

who is implying this? If you are an American with American values..... who cares where you live?

And there are a lot of people (my family included) who don't understand this at all......

(and the answer is, they want everything handed to them and do not understand the concept of "work ethic")

643 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:57:26pm

re: #635 Windhorse

Algore is a phony piece of shit..... Anyone who believes his BS is either extremely naive, or just stupid.

Another moron pretending to debate an issue by naming a name that they don't like.

644 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:58:52pm

re: #641 Naso Tang

Naso Tang.... maybe we just understand the world more accurately, and more realistically, than though....

(excuse me while I kick you to the side)

645 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:59:27pm

re: #643 Naso Tang

pick one..... your choice.....

646 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 7:59:58pm

re: #631 taxfreekiller


just because the cult is large does not make it not a cult


When the "cult" is manned by the scientists in the field and the deniers are a small minority, which is the real cult ?

647 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:01:21pm

re: #635 Windhorse

Algore is a phony piece of shit..... Anyone who believes his BS is either extremely naive, or just stupid.

Al Gore is not climate science. Al Gore is just a self promotong bandwagon jumper. His existence is not relevant to this debate.

648 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:01:51pm
649 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:02:04pm
650 Basho  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:02:12pm

re: #647 Jimmah

His existence is not relevant to this debate.

Does not compute...
//

651 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:02:36pm

re: #643 Naso Tang

Another moron pretending to debate an issue by naming a name that they don't like.

Al Gore no more represents the science of climate change the Anne Coulter is the voice of the right.

652 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:02:40pm

re: #646 avanti

the Lion's Share of those (so called) scientists that *believe* in AGW do so because they need more funding for the next big lie...

(as one of my relatives so stated.... Gramps, if we don't get our money from grants, where would we get it?)

653 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:02:47pm

re: #644 Windhorse

Naso Tang.... maybe we just understand the world more accurately, and more realistically, than though....

(excuse me while I kick you to the side)

Another boring response alluding to what you pretend to be thinking but are unable to express.

654 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:03:25pm

re: #652 Windhorse

the answer would be "Go get a job loser."

655 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:04:02pm
656 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:04:30pm

re: #646 avanti

When the "cult" is manned by the scientists in the field and the deniers are a small minority, which is the real cult ?

Those "scientists in the field" just got a HUGE sum of money handed to them a couple of weeks ago in the stimulus package. They're not stupid. They know where the money is coming from.

I won't pretend to have the answers here, but given the amount of grant money being thrown around I do reserve a grain of salt for those scientists that agree with the folks that are handing it out.

657 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:05:33pm
658 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:06:11pm

re: #641 Naso Tang

Listen TFK, you pretend to debate but really are a little ding stalker here. One thing that pisses me off more than anything is an asshole like you who doesn't have the courage to address a direct response to a post, except by down dinging it.

Lost your tongue, along with your little diitto heads like that nyc redneck and windhorse sidekicks who follow you?

oh no you don't.
i'm NOT a little ditto head.
i dinged you down because you sounded so rude.

659 Basho  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:06:15pm

re: #652 Windhorse

the Lion's Share of those (so called) scientists that *believe* in AGW do so because they need more funding for the next big lie...

Yeah... Climate Scientists are counting their mountains of precious metals. And it wouldn't be a hell of a lot easier to simply buy them off if they were in it for the money.
/

660 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:06:41pm

re: #655 taxfreekiller

I am sure I will be able to get four down dings here any moment,
got avanti, basho, jummy and Nato Tusing all ready to ding..

go,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

You just don't get it, do you? Take my advice and take the aspirins.

661 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:07:03pm
662 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:08:26pm

re: #659 Basho

that funny.....

663 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:08:31pm

re: #652 Windhorse

the Lion's Share of those (so called) scientists that *believe* in AGW do so because they need more funding for the next big lie...

(as one of my relatives so stated.... Gramps, if we don't get our money from grants, where would we get it?)

That's a very big conspiracy theory to swallow. You would think that one country, some where would like to think they need not address the issue of climate change. If anyone came up with a valid, peer reviewed ,counter AGW argument, it would seem they'd be buried in money for future research by the fossil fuel guys for example.

664 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:08:40pm

re: #658 nyc redneck

oh no you don't.
i'm NOT a little ditto head.
i dinged you down because you sounded so rude.

Wow. 10,000 some posts and you ding down because your sensibilities are ruffled? And you do it supporting a serial down dinger?

Get a life.

665 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:10:01pm
666 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:14:16pm
667 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:16:31pm

re: #649 Iron Fist

I appreciate some of what you say, but I also have an imprinted, one could say, faith in science. That is not to say that it is clear cut in my mind either, but a part of my perspective, (I'm in my 60's now) is the changes I have seen in my lifetime by people alone. There were half as many on the planet when I was a kid, and I "know" we have an effect.

But on the science part, you used a specific scientific example for your case. The graph you posted and the interpretation you made from it.

I have several specific issues with your interpretation of that data. They are not conclusive in the other direction, but I believe they are conclusive in denying your conclusion.

If you want to go into that specific we can do so, but I think it will have to be after tonight, as I'm about to call it quits.

668 Basho  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:18:01pm

re: #663 avanti

That's a very big conspiracy theory to swallow.

Nah, not really. It's all documented here:
[Link: frankbi.wordpress.com...]

669 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:18:53pm

re: #655 taxfreekiller

I am sure I will be able to get four down dings here any moment,
got avanti, basho, jummy and Nato Tusing all ready to ding..

go,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Just a reminder - you are the ding stalker tfk, as several of us here can testify. Wear your crown - you earned it.

670 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:22:04pm

re: #666 taxfreekiller

So, how long do we "little people" have to do without , 50 years, 100 years, how long , can we live in tents, that takes lots of cotton and all those tractors to get it harvested and all that energy to make the canvas, or should we just go back to the caves now like good little mice.

This is another mistake that anti-AGW hysterics make all the time. They assume that being convinced of the central argument that man is contributing significantly to global warming automatically entails being comitted to the agendas of the most extreme luddite wing of the environmentalist movement. NEWSFLASH: It soesn't.

671 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:22:08pm

OK, gotta go.

Good night all, except for the stalkers and ditto heads.

672 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:22:32pm
673 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:23:34pm
674 Basho  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:23:57pm

re: #665 taxfreekiller

Nor did he say Republican Senators:
[Link: frankbi.wordpress.com...]

675 Windhorse  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:24:16pm

re: #672 buzzsawmonkey

a dozen, statistically distributed updings on that.....

676 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:25:23pm

re: #675 Windhorse

a dozen, statistically distributed updings on that.....

Ditto!

/:-p

677 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:26:10pm

re: #668 Basho

Nah, not really. It's all documented here:
[Link: frankbi.wordpress.com...]

As with all paranoid conspiracy theories, it's when you set it all out as a positive proposition that you really see how crazy it is.

678 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:28:10pm

re: #664 Naso Tang

Wow. 10,000 some posts and you ding down because your sensibilities are ruffled? And you do it supporting a serial down dinger?

Get a life.


LOL
quite worrying abt. down dings, already.

679 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:32:30pm

re: #672 buzzsawmonkey

It's not quite that simple. For one thing, people like to have the approval of their peers. Scientists are not immune to this emotion. For another, as someone noted upthread somewhere, scientists do not in general make a lot of money; however, they can--do--live well by being invited to international conferences and getting fellowships or other invitations to do research or to teach in other locales.

Surely you know how peer review works. One scientist might come up with data that goes against the grain and it is then reviewed by his/her peers. If the peer review holds up, the entire direction of science can change.I recall that happening when plate tectonics was first proposed.

680 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:38:31pm
681 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:39:21pm

re: #679 avanti

Not to mention other revolutions like relativity, quantum physics etc, which went from crazy idea in someones head to scientific orthodoxy in an astonishingly short space of time. The scientific world seems to be able to accept new ideas - even those that are extremely disturbing to the current body of thinking - very readily as long as they stand up to the criticism and tests that scientists put them to.

682 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:40:46pm

re: #672 buzzsawmonkey

It's not quite that simple. For one thing, people like to have the approval of their peers. Scientists are not immune to this emotion. For another, as someone noted upthread somewhere, scientists do not in general make a lot of money; however, they can--do--live well by being invited to international conferences and getting fellowships or other invitations to do research or to teach in other locales.

If there is a general consensus about a certain theory among the people who hand out these goodies, there is every likelihood that the vocal contrarian will not even make the long list, let alone the short one--and certainly will not get any of the available plums. Thus, there need not be total consensus in a profession to ensure that the profession toes a particular line. Think that's farfetched? Try getting a job, let alone tenure, in a Middle East Studies department anywhere in the United States after publishing a paper suggesting that the "Palestinians'" situation is composed of equal parts self-infliction and UN meddling. Don't hold your breath waiting for the appointment.

The same dynamic holds true in the world of science. I am not suggesting that most scientists engage in conscious lying--and clearly there are some who are secure enough to be able to take a stance contrary to the established orthodoxy. But it is the rare person even in the sciences who is unable to convince himself at least part of the time that two and two make five when his career is at stake, particularly in a field of science which involves a lot of projected models and guesswork, rather than requiring hard results.

With respect Buzz, there was once a young physicist who was certain he was right about an idea that was considered completely crazy by the most prominent physicist of his day.

He was Neils Bohr, The one who thought he was crazy was Albert Einstein. The science in question was Quantum Mechanics. At the end of the day, in science, peer review means that the facts will out.

I am not saying that there have never been hiccups, but the system works vastly better than you are giving it credit for. The universe does what it does wehter we like it or not. Darwin was not so popular in his day either. Neither were any number of scientists. The whole point of the independent observers though is to take the very bias you are talking about out of the process as much as possible.

683 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:45:04pm
684 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:47:23pm
685 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:47:34pm
686 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:47:39pm

Well, that's bedtime for me. Have a good one folks :)

687 avanti  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:48:59pm

re: #686 Jimmah

Well, that's bedtime for me. Have a good one folks :)

Me too. it's been fun.

688 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:50:54pm

re: #683 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, I know full well how peer review works. My father told me of fudging certain of the figures in the papers he published on his helium-3 research for national security reasons; had he reported the figures a different way, the Russians would have been able to guess, from the amount of helium-3 involved, what the size of our H-bomb arsenal was. I don't pretend to understand exactly how he did this and still publish a valid paper, but this is not something he would have made up. But there is an example of a peer-reviewed paper that was knowingly and intentionally falsified on certain grounds. They may have been good grounds, but the fact remains that falsification was involved--and the papers still got published.

By the same token, there are papers which are not accepted for publication; there can also be selectivity in who gets to do the peer review. And once again, in a field of science which relies on projections and models and which does not require hard data, there can be a great deal of fudging. It is one thing to say that helium-3 behaves a certain way when you get it down to minus-400 Kelvin; it does, or it doesn't. It is quite another to say that based on a certain projected model we believe that such and such a thing may happen over the long term based on certain selected data; it may, or it may not, and you're not held to the same standard of yes or no. If you were, all the scientists who were yelling about the coming Ice Age fifteen or so years ago who are now talking about anthropogenic warming would be standing on street corners holding handlettered cardboard signs reading, "Will Project For Food."

I hear your story Buzz and I believe it. I would say though that defencce related research "behind the fence" is a different thing entirely then what goes into the internationally read and reviewed journals on the academic side.

Behind the fence journals are read by a different crowd. It is likely that whatever your dad did with his Helium three numbers was something of an "inside reference" for those with the clearance to read that paper in the first place.

It's just a different world in places like the big national labs, particularly at the height of the cold war.

689 Basho  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:53:50pm

re: #686 Jimmah

re: #687 avanti

Same. Good night all.

690 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 8:56:12pm
691 J.S.  Sun, Mar 1, 2009 9:12:06pm

re: #690 taxfreekiller

wiki article here...

692 tommylotto  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:11am

re: #639 Bloodnok

The problem is, it will never be settled to a conspiracy theorist's satisfaction. This is the way these kookspiracy theories work. If a court decides against it: Moonbat/biased judge. If someone produces a document (which, by the way has happened at the state level): It's either a fake, or "Lemme see a different one". If BH0 or his family says something: They're lying. If birth announcements in Hawaiin newspapers are found (which has also happened): They're faked.

Kookspiracy theorists reject everything except that which validates their own predetermined outcome. It's usually not the case at hand that is the big problem for them, it's usually a bigger fear of tyranny and government from the side in power. We all have it when "the other side" is in, but some choose better outlets for dealing with it than debunked conspiracy theories. It is the political equivalent of a get rich quick scheme.

I think you are attributing the kookiness of some to many. A person is not a kook merely because they interpret the Constitution to say that a child born in the US to a non-citizen father and born with dual citizenship and dual loyalties may be a US citizen at birth but is not a "natural born citizen" as that term is defined in the Constitution. That question has never been decided. It is a legitimate position to hold, and one that was held by may of the Constitution's drafters. At least this element of these lawsuits is legitimate. The BC portion of the lawsuit is more difficult to justify. It is a fact that Obama has a Hawaii BC that says he was born in Hawaii, but as I said that only creates a presumption. The original vault copy might have been a "late" BC given to his parents months after the actual birth. The BC might have been amended to change the place of birth and that amendment would be reflected on the vault copy. None of this would change the presumption of a Hawaii birth, but it could be combined with other evidence yet to be discovered to overcome the presumption. Obama's parents would not be the first to falsify a BC to give their child the franchise of US citizenship. It happens every day in East LA. I think it is unlikely to be successful, but it bothers me that this issue is being poo-pooed even before they have had their day in court. As a plaintiff's lawyer, I believe the process is important. They have made allegations, if true, would disqualify Obama as POTUS. To me that is sufficient to allow them to conduct discovery. Until they are afforded that right, I will feel the process of law has somehow been cheated.

693 Zimriel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:35am

I was recently introduced to a website run by one Pat Dollard. He seems to be popular among the Right.

Dollard supports mutiny on the grounds of the nirth theory. He is also a major fan of Vlaams Belang (and the Sweden Democrats):

1 Nov 2008:

the Establishment-reviled conservative political party that ... opposes the Islamization of European culture which Left-wing elites in both Belgium and elsewhere in Europe actually encourage in part to help increase their own constituencies.


22 Sept 2008:

Of the parties dedicated to resisting Islamization that I examined in Europe last summer, the most promising range from the sizeable Vlaams Belang in Belgium to the tiny Sweden Democrats, and include the Lega Nord in Italy, the Party for Freedom of Geert Wilders in Holland, the Danish People’s Party, the Swiss People’s Party and the Austrian Freedom Party. Such parties are unknown here, or ignored. Worse, they are shunned. Why? I believe it’s because their respective political opponents — the leftist media and governing establishments that are increasingly dependent on Islamic support, by the way — have successfully slandered these parties as “extremists,” “racists,” “fascists” and “Nazis.”

But beyond that, Dollard is a Coulter supporter. He cites Limbaugh, too, quite frequently.

One saving grace for Dollard is that he hasn't staked his reputation on Intelligent Design; his guests link to relevant articles sometimes but without comment. Sometimes ID is linked to conservatism at large (although not so as to promote it as integral). Last May he linked to an aside which dismissed the movement. He's also not a Ronulan, and displays contempt for Alex Jones. And he used to be a LGF fan, in email contact with Charles March 2008.

Dollard is writing for a pro-military audience, and veterans of the Gulf Wars in particular. That worries me. Even if you're so far right as to support a mutiny or coup (and you shouldn't be, unless you like civil war), if it comes from a core of supporters of European fascist groups who take cues from conspiracy theories, that should worry you too.

694 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:24:07am
695 Sceptic Tank  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:49:19am

Its a mute point certainly, but just where is, with all due respect, the President's nirth certificate.

696 Lee Coller  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:30:37am

re: #695 Sceptic Tank

Its a mute point certainly, but just where is, with all due respect, the President's nirth certificate.

Did you forget the SARC tag? I started to ding you down, then couldn't decide whether or not this was an attempt at sarcasm.

697 Yashmak  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 11:51:58am

re: #695 Sceptic Tank

Its a mute point certainly, but just where is, with all due respect, the President's nirth certificate.

On file with the State of Hawaii, just like it has been.

This whole issue is ridiculous. I can't imagine what these "Nirthers" hope to gain by making an issue of it. If the reality turned on its head, and they got their wildest dreams to come true, and magically Obama was deemed inelligible, we get WHAT?

Biden as President. . .one of few people likely to do an even worse job than Obama.

698 RomanceWritr  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:16:59pm

I'm glad that you take pride in "debunking" Obama's presidential eligibility problem. I just have 3 questions:

1. Why has Obama spent millions of dollars to prevent the release of his "vault copy" Birth Certificate?

2. Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, isn't it true that if he was adopted by his mother's Indonesian husband later on that he became an Indonesian citizen?

3. When a child is adopted, isn't it true that its birth Certificate is amended to show the adoptive father as the natural father? And wouldn't the "vault" copy show this?

Don't bother trying to answer Nos. 2 and 3 above unless you have a logical answer for No. 1

699 Lee Coller  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:25:50pm

re: #698 RomanceWritr

I'm glad that you take pride in "debunking" Obama's presidential eligibility problem. I just have 3 questions:

1. Why has Obama spent millions of dollars to prevent the release of his "vault copy" Birth Certificate?


As has been pointed out numerous times before, it simply makes conservatives look bad. I also question that he's actually spend "millions of dollars" on this.


2. Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, isn't it true that if he was adopted by his mother's Indonesian husband later on that he became an Indonesian citizen?


No its not true.


3. When a child is adopted, isn't it true that its birth Certificate is amended to show the adoptive father as the natural father? And wouldn't the "vault" copy show this?


Its not true, and even if it was, what difference does it make, it doesn't change his citizenship?

If there had been anything to all of this, Hillary Clinton would certainly have spent "millions of dollars" to bring this to light during the primaries.


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