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1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:59:16pm

All I want right now is some assurance he understands economics. Private-sector economics.

2 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:59:34pm

CBS setting up the 2012 GOP nomination.

3 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:59:57pm

I said last night...This segment is glowing for the MSM...

4 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:00:05pm

Ah, he's being featured.

Destructo ...

5 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:01:20pm

Jindal defends

speech.

6 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:01:21pm

Oh, ouch.

Jindal could easily survive a straight up attack, and maybe even come out ahead. But this -- dimunition by patronization -- is lethal.

7 whiterasta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:01:25pm

If he would just stop with the Creationist witchcraft thing.....

8 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:01:33pm

Sidestep this charade.

Modern Whig Party.

9 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:01:37pm

re: #1 EmmmieG

All I want right now is some assurance he understands economics. Private-sector economics.

And can at least spell "foreign affairs".

10 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:02:11pm

"A pat on the head, and off you go, Bobby.

Loved you in Slumdog."

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:02:50pm

re: #10 Cognito

Ohhhhh! Snap!

12 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:03:44pm

The media is just playing there own games.

13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:04:05pm

re: #10 Cognito

Really, Cog. That was excellent.

14 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:04:29pm

re: #12 screaming_eagle

"their". (channeling Goddessoftheclassroom).

15 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:04:38pm

re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do what I can.

16 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:05:03pm

BBL

17 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:05:12pm

re: #12 screaming_eagle

The media is just playing there own games.

Trying to nominate another John McCain to get Obama reelected in 2012. Let's hope Mitt Romney keeps his eye on the prize for asll of our sakes.

18 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:11:06pm
19 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:11:07pm

MSM is setting him up just like McCain.

20 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:11:27pm

Watching the market tumble, a stray thought entered unbidden into my mind: "Eh. Maybe it's time to look into getting a pistol."

Whaaat? Crazy talk.

(Anyone got a nice revolver?)

21 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:11:34pm
22 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:11:46pm

re: #18 ploome hineni

cognito slipped back in?

Slipped back from where?

23 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:07pm

re: #19 Alouette

MSM is setting him up just like McCain.

Propping him up. Only to drop him after he receives the nomination

24 PJ61  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:09pm

If Bobby J wants to win in 2012, I say leave the microphones in front of the DEMs and stop grabbing for them. The more they speak, the more they help the GOP.

25 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:24pm

The MSN is having a good time with the Rush/Steele battle. Basically, the spin.
on ABC News tonight.

Rush want Obama to fail
Steele does not
Rush insults Steele by saying he's more worried about Obama then the GOP.
The White House has no comment, but loves it. More here.

26 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:36pm
27 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:41pm

re: #21 ploome hineni

that racist comment was excellent?

yes...high standards eh?

28 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:42pm

re: #21 ploome hineni

that racist comment was excellent?

It wasn't racist, Ploome.

It' s actually a swipe at -- aw, forget it. You've made up your mind.

It's racist. Whatever. Boo.

29 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:03pm

re: #19 Alouette

MSM is setting him up just like McCain.

I agree. The campaign has restarted (if it stopped at all). I liked what Rush told Michael Steele today too.

30 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:14pm
31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:18pm

re: #21 ploome hineni

It wasn't. Was speaking as the MSM who is showing Bobby off as a "person of color".

Saying, "Okay, little buddy. You can go away now."

I thought it was well played.

32 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:25pm

Bobby Jindal is not Ronald Reagan. But his state isn't bleeding jobs like the others, why would that be? He has good points. I hope he figures out that creationism isn't the way to go nationally, but think about his constituents - we rail that WE elect politicians that speak for us. Could it be that in his state this is what they want? I'm sad if that is what they do want, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised.

Again, I do not want my tax dollars supporting Creationism. I just don't. But I won't write a politician off if they are a creationist - so long as they do not force the belief on me.

I joke about running for office, but to be perfectly honest, I do have political ambitions. I have skeletons like most "normal" people - I would hope people could separate some of my personal beliefs from what I would do as a politician (I pay my taxes, no worries there) should I really get there.

33 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:40pm

re: #14 Ojoe

"their". (channeling Goddessoftheclassroom).

there, their ,they're
I suck at grammer.

34 brookly red  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:45pm

re: #21 ploome hineni

that racist comment was excellent?

yup, that kinda irked me too...

35 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:53pm

@TheOnion: BREAKING: Bobby Jindal Killed In Baton Rouge Volcano Eruption

36 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:58pm
37 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:58pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It wasn't. Was speaking as the MSM who is showing Bobby off as a "person of color".

Saying, "Okay, little buddy. You can go away now."

I thought it was well played.

Thanks, FBV. Shouldn't be necessary, but thanks nonetheless.

38 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:14:08pm

re: #28 Cognito

It wasn't racist, Ploome.

It' s actually a swipe at -- aw, forget it. You've made up your mind.

It's racist. Whatever. Boo.

you were judgemental of my Wrath of Allah crack yesterday...now this?....pffft

39 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:14:17pm
40 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:14:41pm
41 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:15:12pm

Ah. And the brilliance shines through in the comments section, as ever.

42 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:16:27pm

re: #32 ArmyWife


Again, I do not want my tax dollars supporting Creationism. I just don't. But I won't write a politician off if they are a creationist - so long as they do not force the belief on me.

But there's the rub. He DID force his creationist beliefs on others. He signed into LAW and religious belief - you know, like the Mullahs do. I can't believe that the incorporation of creationism as science in LA was unanimously supported by the entire population.

43 rexatosis  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:16:31pm

Gov. Jindal is ready-made for the MSM to obliterate if he runs for POTUS in '12. He has creationist fossils in his closet, he's from one of the most politically disfunctional states in the Union (David Duke got elected to the state legislature, you better believe the spectre of the KKK will get raised if Jindal gets the nomination, POTUS or Veep), and he looks twelve (he makes our Metrosexual POTUS look like a lumberjack in comparison.) The MSM will build him up 'cause he will be so easy to tear down.

44 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:16:35pm
45 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:17:04pm

re: #34 brookly red

yup, that kinda irked me too...

You need to notice the quote marks. Will aid the whole context thingy.

46 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:17:57pm

re: #45 Russkilitlover

You need to notice the quote marks. Will aid the whole context thingy.

Also the set-up comment about "dimunition by patronization."

Although yes, I was hoping the comment would stand on its own.

47 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:18:21pm
48 WhiteRasta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:19:12pm

#44, #41,,,,Gentlemen, gentleman.....

49 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:19:57pm

re: #48 WhiteRasta

#44, #41,,,,Gentlemen, gentleman.....

drinks all around!

50 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:20:00pm
51 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:20:12pm

re: #42 Russkilitlover

It wouldn't have had to been unanimous. That isn't how our country worked. Would you feel differently if you knew the majority of the state DID want this? I honestly don't know if they do or don't, or even if we could find that out. Just asking for the sake of argument.

52 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:20:27pm
53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:20:45pm

re: #48 WhiteRasta

#44, #41,,,,Gentleman, gentleperson.....

54 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:20:53pm

re: #52 ploome hineni

cog is an asshole

and I am a lady

And so well-mannered.

55 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:20:54pm

re: #32 ArmyWife

Bobby Jindal is not Ronald Reagan. But his state isn't bleeding jobs like the others, why would that be? He has good points. I hope he figures out that creationism isn't the way to go nationally, but think about his constituents - we rail that WE elect politicians that speak for us. Could it be that in his state this is what they want? I'm sad if that is what they do want, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised.

Again, I do not want my tax dollars supporting Creationism. I just don't. But I won't write a politician off if they are a creationist - so long as they do not force the belief on me.

I joke about running for office, but to be perfectly honest, I do have political ambitions. I have skeletons like most "normal" people - I would hope people could separate some of my personal beliefs from what I would do as a politician (I pay my taxes, no worries there) should I really get there.

Louisiana was the only state that added jobs in December 2008, and actually had a net gain of 8,700 jobs since December 2007.

I don't think Jindal is ready for POTUS, and he may never be, time will tell.

One think I really do wish is that he were a tad more photogenic - he's not what you would call handsome, but in person, he's better looking than in photos or video.

56 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:21:00pm
57 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:21:28pm

The grand ole parties NEW YOUNG Savior?
Question: Are you going to be our next president?
Jindal: Oh, No. I need to fix my state!

58 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:21:39pm
59 WhiteRasta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:21:59pm

re: #50 ploome hineni

.....Oh....... Whoops. I'll just shut my mouth and mind my own business.

(This cockroach don't business in dat fowl coop...)

60 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:22:01pm

re: #10 Cognito

"A pat on the head, and off you go, Bobby.

Loved you in Slumdog."

You hit a new low with that comment Cog.

61 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:22:34pm

He doesn't drink, smoke, gamble,...
He just participates in exorcisms.

62 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:22:37pm

re: #51 ArmyWife

It wouldn't have had to been unanimous. That isn't how our country worked. Would you feel differently if you knew the majority of the state DID want this? I honestly don't know if they do or don't, or even if we could find that out. Just asking for the sake of argument.

It doesn't matter. There will be some who do NOT want it. Other faiths, other beliefs, etc. Government has no business enshrining any religious belief into law or as something to be taught in public schools - in science classes, no less.

63 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:22:44pm

re: #55 reine.de.tout

Creationism = Jobs!
Heh.

64 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:11pm

re: #60 Maximu§

You hit a new low with that comment Cog.

Well, I'm a racist.

Can't help myself.

65 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:17pm

re: #60 Maximu§

You hit a new low with that comment Cog.

you need to nuance it and find the context....it's very complicated

66 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:18pm

Israel to present Clinton with 'red lines' on talks with Iran

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Red Lines? I think someone over there is doing a few to many lines. Don't they get that there is a new sheriff in town and he'll sell anybody, including Israel, down the river to further his aims?

67 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:25pm

re: #57 notutopia

The grand ole parties NEW YOUNG Savior?
Question: Are you going to be our next president?
Jindal: Oh, No. I need to fix my state!

Well? He does.

68 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:41pm
69 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:23:42pm

old morely asked he newspaper editor "is he boring?"
the editor replied, 'one man's boring is another man's competence'

he seems like a very personable decent guy.
so much more genuine and trustworthy than O.
i liked him from the interview.
the i.d. thing is a problem.

70 snowcrash  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:24:12pm

IIRC Jindal was called slumdog millionaire by Helen Thomas. Michael Steel made some kind of "slumdog" jest after the rebuttal speech too.

71 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:24:31pm
72 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:24:44pm

re: #55 reine.de.tout

And as shallow as it is, looks mean something. People gravitate toward the better looking candidate - the taller the better. As I am really short, I'm pretty much screwed in that regard. I hope I can make up for it with brilliance. ;)

73 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:24:54pm

Buzzsaw - what rhymes with edgy?

74 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:25:22pm

re: #41 Cognito

Ah. And the brilliance shines through in the comments section, as ever.

Don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

75 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:25:38pm
76 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:25:41pm

re: #25 avanti

The MSN is having a good time with the Rush/Steele battle. Basically, the spin.
on ABC News tonight.

Rush want Obama to fail
Steele does not
Rush insults Steele by saying he's more worried about Obama then the GOP.
The White House has no comment, but loves it. More here.

Update, Coulter, Beck join the battle, Steele apologizes to Rush. White House's Emanuel comments.

77 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:25:46pm

re: #73 debutaunt

Veggie.

78 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:25:49pm

re: #60 Maximu§

You hit a new low with that comment Cog.

See #6 and then the quotes in #10. It was NOT a reflection of Cog's point of view. Isn't there enough bullshit charges of racism flying around the U.S. today, without taking time to look before you critisize?

79 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:26:11pm
80 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:26:14pm

re: #75 buzzsawmonkey

In what context?

This thread.

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:26:41pm

Trying to find a way to say this tactfully: How old is Morley Safer?

82 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:26:45pm

re: #74 Alouette

Don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

In what way? Considering the aim of that comment, I'm not sure what you mean.

83 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:03pm

re: #77 Cognito

Veggie.

Whoo hoo!

84 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:08pm

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

Hate to get involved, but anybody who didn't get the "Slumdog" reference as ironic/sardonic is a blithering idiot.
Learn the freakin' language, people. Sometimes there really is nuance...

85 Lee Coller  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:12pm

OT -- Another nirther has just popped up on the last nirther thread.

86 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:15pm

re: #80 debutaunt

This thread.

wedgie

87 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:30pm

re: #81 EmmmieG

Trying to find a way to say this tactfully: How old is Morley Safer?

Based on the young earth timetable?

88 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:33pm

re: #72 ArmyWife

And as shallow as it is, looks mean something. People gravitate toward the better looking candidate - the taller the better. As I am really short, I'm pretty much screwed in that regard. I hope I can make up for it with brilliance. ;)

Two words: 70's disco boots. :)

89 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:35pm

Report: Russia to send 50 armored vehicles to Palestinian Authority

By The Associated Press

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Moving targets?

90 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:27:35pm

re: #83 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whoo hoo!

BRILLIANT!

91 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:06pm

re: #86 albusteve

wedgie

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAA

92 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:06pm
93 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:10pm

re: #81 EmmmieG

Trying to find a way to say this tactfully: How old is Morley Safer?

103?

94 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:12pm

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

I thought it was funny, and quite apt; Cognito was commenting from the position of a patronizing media pretending to exalt, but actually dismissing, Jindal and his accomplishments.

Didn't the stench of patronization in that clip get to you?

Ah, I stand corrected then.

Move along folks.....nothing to see here.

95 ratherdashing  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:41pm

Morley Safer speaks with scare quotes. Saying "he's Republican" and "he's conservative" and "he's religious" and did we mention "he's conservative" (again). Jindal is being set up to knock down. It's clear.

They'll go after him when the time is right and they'll have plenty of Republicans on their side.

96 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:28:55pm

re: #81 EmmmieG

Trying to find a way to say this tactfully: How old is Morley Safer?

See those hills out yonder? Old.

97 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:29:09pm

re: #88 Soona'

I can make up for it if I wear disco boots from the 70s? Oh very cool. That is easier than brilliance!

98 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:29:46pm
99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:29:49pm

re: #81 EmmmieG

Trying to find a way to say this tactfully: How old is Morley Safer?

Born November 8, 1931.

100 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:30:02pm

re: #89 Nevergiveup

Report: Russia to send 50 armored vehicles to Palestinian Authority

By The Associated Press

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Moving targets?

cool!....the IDF gets to ply with some different toys next time....

101 ratherdashing  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:30:13pm

re: #81 EmmmieG

Older than dirt

[without tact]

102 PJ61  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:30:24pm

re: #95 ratherdashing

Morley Safer speaks with scare quotes. Saying "he's Republican" and "he's conservative" and "he's religious" and did we mention "he's conservative" (again). Jindal is being set up to knock down. It's clear.

They'll go after him when the time is right and they'll have plenty of Republicans on their side.

And they will ask him tough questions to which they will expect/demand answers. Would that they had done the same with then Senator Obama.

103 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:30:40pm
104 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:30:41pm
105 calcajun  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:31:06pm

re: #97 ArmyWife

I can make up for it if I wear disco boots from the 70s? Oh very cool. That is easier than brilliance!

Don't forget those low cut, short nylon dresses from them days. No one will care what you say.

106 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:31:23pm

Only 77? He seems older. Seriously.

107 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:31:37pm

re: #84 Lincolntf

Hate to get involved, but anybody who didn't get the "Slumdog" reference as ironic/sardonic is a blithering idiot.
Learn the freakin' language, people. Sometimes there really is nuance...

we got it...no need to patronize and call names

108 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:31:47pm

re: #92 ploome hineni

Off you go, ploome. Loved you in Yentl.

109 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:32:02pm

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

Tell you the truth, it's a tough rhyme. "Edge" is easy: hedge, sledge, sedge, pledge, ledge, dredge--cred(ulous) if you want to get fancy--but tacking that "y" on there narrows the possibilities dramatically.

Try dropping the "y" and filling in with an additional syllable earlier in the line.

Thanks - Only a few jumped out.

110 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:05pm
111 LemonJoose  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:08pm

OT:

I just had to say how glad I am that Michael Steele stood up to Rush Limbaugh. I agree with Rush on a lot of things, but I really disagree with the way he is trying to draw some fictional line in the sand to claim "conservative" ground only for himself and those who agree with him on every single issue. His cheap shot about John McCain "not being a conservative nominee" as the reason the Republicans lost the election was also dishonest and a declaration of civil war within the Republican party. Rush wants to distract people from the fact that he himself contributed to John McCain's defeat by undermining him during the primaries and then giving him only tepid support after he won the nomination. John McCain has been a better fiscal conservative than many Republicans that Rush has supported over the years, such as George W. Bush.

There really is no disagreement among conservatives over major issues such as keeping government spending down, lowering taxes to create economic growth, and maintaining a strong national defense. Rush is attempting to define Christian right views on social issues as necessary in order to be a "true" conservative. However, if William F. Buckley were alive today, he would take great issue with Rush on this. True conservatism is to keep the government out of one's private business such as whether or not you choose to own a gun, whether or not you choose to continue your pregnancy, whom one chooses to marry, whether or not you choose to drink alcohol, and whether or not you choose to smoke marijuana. The Christian right view on social issues is a Big Brother government view on social issues.

But more importantly, the Republican party needs to make room for both libertarian and Christian right views on social issues, avoid a civil war within its ranks over these issues, and try to concentrate on the issues where conservatives all agree, such as fiscal responsibility and maintaining a strong national defense.

Unfortunately, if there's a civil war coming in the Republican party, you can blame Rush for trying to appoint himself as the final arbiter of what conservatism is.

112 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:09pm

re: #89 Nevergiveup

Report: Russia to send 50 armored vehicles to Palestinian Authority

By The Associated Press

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Moving targets?

It depends whether Russia will decide to send crews with them also.

113 calcajun  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:15pm

And we see the Inuit people allowing their tribal elder to step forward and take the first swing at the helpless baby fur seal. Soon, the whole tribe will join in the mayhem with wild abandon.

114 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:39pm

re: #111 LemonJoose

You must have missed this:
[Link: www.politico.com...]

115 zombie  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:46pm

Hmmmm, let's add this up:

Bobby Jindal
60 Minutes

...what's not to like?

/

(I'll give this one a pass.)

116 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:56pm

re: #112 Soona'

It depends whether Russia will decide to send crews with them also.

a twofer!

117 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:57pm

re: #76 avanti

Update, Coulter, Beck join the battle, Steele apologizes to Rush. White House's Emanuel comments.

Alinsky rule #12 at working.

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

Obama picks the target.... meanwhile the GOP falls all over themselves choosing sides....

Rush is not the target.

The policies of Obama / Reid / Pelosi are the target.

Steele vs. Rush is want Obama wants, infighting on the right while he socialize the country, bankrupts the economy, and surrenders our security.

118 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:57pm

re: #106 EmmmieG

Only 77? He seems older. Seriously.

Maybe he could use this product to feel younger: For the hair down there!

[Link: www.bettybeauty.com...]

119 ratherdashing  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:59pm

re: #104 ploome hineni

hiya Charming.where have you been?

Just peachy. How are you and how's business?

120 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:34:15pm

re: #95 ratherdashing

Morley Safer speaks with scare quotes. Saying "he's Republican" and "he's conservative" and "he's religious" and did we mention "he's conservative" (again). Jindal is being set up to knock down. It's clear.

They'll go after him when the time is right and they'll have plenty of Republicans on their side.

yes, did you notice morley say to the editor "he downplays his background ."
this after jindal and his wife had said "we were raised as americans".
it was an ok interview but certainly not a fawning display of love and adoration like all the msm gives the grifter.
this will be the best type of treatment jindal will get and then the hatchet jobs will start at some point.

121 calcajun  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:34:17pm

re: #112 Soona'

It depends whether Russia will decide to send crews with them also.

And manuals
and spare parts
and starters
and valves
and tires
and roadside assistance protection.

122 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:34:43pm

re: #97 ArmyWife

I can make up for it if I wear disco boots from the 70s? Oh very cool. That is easier than brilliance!

Please don't tell me if you still have them laying around the house.

123 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:34:56pm
124 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:35:05pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

Maybe he could use this product to feel younger: For the hair down there!

[Link: www.bettybeauty.com...]

Okay, now I'm just plain grossed out.

125 Aviator  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:35:12pm

re: #60 Maximu§

You hit a new low with that comment Cog.

I thought it was a reference to this.

126 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:35:28pm

How can he have a scientist mother and engineer father and attack science like he does? I think that's unfortunate.

127 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:35:49pm

Here is the Towercam for today's sunset.

The San Gabriel Mountains, a great range.

BBL

128 opinionated  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:35:55pm

re: #66 Nevergiveup

Israel to present Clinton with 'red lines' on talks with Iran

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Red Lines? I think someone over there is doing a few to many lines. Don't they get that there is a new sheriff in town and he'll sell anybody, including Israel, down the river to further his aims?

All you need to know are in these two headlines, hours apart.

Gaza rocket hits Ashkelon

U.S. Pledges $300 Million in Gaza Aid

What the hell else does anyone need to see and know.

While the barbarians are firing rockets at Israel, the US -during a stock market and economic crash- pledges them $millions.

129 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:36:06pm

re: #124 EmmmieG

Okay, now I'm just plain grossed out.

Hey I only report, you decide

130 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:36:10pm

re: #89 Nevergiveup

Report: Russia to send 50 armored vehicles to Palestinian Authority

By The Associated Press

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Moving targets?

Armored vehicles aren't good for car bombs; the explosion stays inside.
So what do the Palis want them for?
/I know, to protect Hamassholes from Israel.
It just makes Israel use more expensive missiles.

131 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:36:10pm

Well it would have been nice to learn something new about him in the interview, that was somewhat lightweight in coverage.

132 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:36:36pm
133 Cathypop  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:37:05pm

re: #127 Ojoe

Beautiful. Thank you

134 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:37:18pm

re: #132 ploome hineni

USA helping prolong the war against Israel

cosmic man....

135 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:37:30pm
136 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:38:08pm

re: #63 Lincolntf

Creationism = Jobs!
Heh.

I don't really know what happens in Louisiana, but it seems like when the rest of the country is not doing well, we do OK. Of course, when the rest of the country is doing really WELL, we're still just doing OK.

137 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:38:18pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

How can he have a scientist mother and engineer father and attack science like he does? I think that's unfortunate.

Free agency. He's free to do that if he wants, right or wrong. Just as we're free to exercise ours when we vote.

/well, free for now...

138 opinionated  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:39:09pm

re: #132 ploome hineni

USA helping prolong the war against Israel

$Millions are fungible. Hamas will use it to buy weapons.

USA helping to murder Israelis.

139 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:39:15pm

re: #128 opinionated

All you need to know are in these two headlines, hours apart.

Gaza rocket hits Ashkelon

U.S. Pledges $300 Million in Gaza Aid

What the hell else does anyone need to see and know.

While the barbarians are firing rockets at Israel, the US -during a stock market and economic crash- pledges them $millions.

*bang*
*bang*
*bang*
You know
*bang*
I keep
*bang*
pounding my
*bang*
head on
*bang*
the desk
*bang*

It feels good when I stop.

GAH! How freaking hard is it.
Missiles = No money.

140 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:39:46pm

re: #122 Soona'

Ummm...no. I was born in the early 70s. But, I do have some neon left from middle school in the early 80s!

141 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:39:47pm

re: #93 nyc redneck

103?

That was about my guess, too.

142 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:40:23pm
143 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:40:28pm

re: #132 ploome hineni

The United States has made it possible for Israel to exist for 60 years, and we always will if I have anything to say about it.
But ultimately it's up to Israel to end the war against Israel.

144 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:41:38pm

re: #142 buzzsawmonkey

With a goat?

145 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:41:43pm

re: #136 reine.de.tout

Actually, I have a plant in LA, and thanks to the oil companies, the price for normal labor is crazy there - and the economy hasn't hit it like the other states. In fact, because LA offers such great tax incentives to build plants there, you guys have been growing - refineries are expanding in Lake Charles as we speak. Course, we we are all mandated to drive electric or wind up cars, it may be a different story all together...

146 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:41:48pm

re: #128 opinionated

All you need to know are in these two headlines, hours apart.

Gaza rocket hits Ashkelon

U.S. Pledges $300 Million in Gaza Aid

What the hell else does anyone need to see and know.

While the barbarians are firing rockets at Israel, the US -during a stock market and economic crash- pledges them $millions.

And Hillary lectures the Israelis to help more with rebuilding Gaza.

147 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:42:14pm

re: #111 LemonJoose

OT:

I just had to say how glad I am that Michael Steele stood up to Rush Limbaugh. I agree with Rush on a lot of things, but I really disagree with the way he is trying to draw some fictional line in the sand to claim "conservative" ground only for himself and those who agree with him on every single issue. His cheap shot about John McCain "not being a conservative nominee" as the reason the Republicans lost the election was also dishonest and a declaration of civil war within the Republican party. Rush wants to distract people from the fact that he himself contributed to John McCain's defeat by undermining him during the primaries and then giving him only tepid support after he won the nomination. John McCain has been a better fiscal conservative than many Republicans that Rush has supported over the years, such as George W. Bush.

There really is no disagreement among conservatives over major issues such as keeping government spending down, lowering taxes to create economic growth, and maintaining a strong national defense. Rush is attempting to define Christian right views on social issues as necessary in order to be a "true" conservative. However, if William F. Buckley were alive today, he would take great issue with Rush on this. True conservatism is to keep the government out of one's private business such as whether or not you choose to own a gun, whether or not you choose to continue your pregnancy, whom one chooses to marry, whether or not you choose to drink alcohol, and whether or not you choose to smoke marijuana. The Christian right view on social issues is a Big Brother government view on social issues.

But more importantly, the Republican party needs to make room for both libertarian and Christian right views on social issues, avoid a civil war within its ranks over these issues, and try to concentrate on the issues where conservatives all agree, such as fiscal responsibility and maintaining a strong national defense.

Unfortunately, if there's a civil war coming in the Republican party, you can blame Rush for trying to appoint himself as the final arbiter of what conservatism is.

Rush is right on this. Plus, McCain was no conservative. At best he was a left leaning moderate. We need to clean the Repub party "leadership" of all the people who think that pandering to democrats is what will get people elected. This last election should have been a wake-up call to you and everyone else that think Reaganism is a dead horse. Reaganism is alive and well with many, many Americans.

148 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:42:16pm

re: #141 reine.de.tout

That was about my guess, too.

LOL,
we're so mean.

149 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:42:24pm

I don't trust any politician who shows he wants to be my pal by using the diminutive form of a first name. Jimmy Carter, Jerry Brown, Teddy Kennedy, Bobby Jindal. I wouldn't be on a first-name basis with any of them.

150 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:42:47pm
151 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:06pm

Putting intelligent design issues to the side I found this to be a rather glowing and positive representation of Bobby Jindal. Of particular interest was the co-interview with the Louisiana journalist who seemed to have nothing but positive observations of the gubernatorial style of Mr. Jindal.

The two main highlights being hurricane Katrina and corruption: two issues that he's taken on in a very proactive style. Another his ability to garner support and votes from the Bubba electorate.

Morley Safer's introduction gave me a chuckle because it related to his performance on the previous Tuesday in response to the president's speech. Safer added a bit of fatherly commentary by suggesting that his awkwardness was due to Jindal's youth.

If I were to speak as a consultant I would say that this was a valuable piece of media exposure for Mr. Jindal.

152 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:13pm

re: #145 ArmyWife

See? Tonight's posts are going to come back to haunt me. "Do you see how dumb she is? Look at all the typos!" We= when.

(one of you will edit my letters to the populace, right?)

153 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:13pm

the GOP and CPAC are doing a grave injustice to make any issue at all out of Bobby...he is not worthy, period...it's not creationism or race...he is a second stringer the media is gassing up...nice guy, good hair and a friendly smile....so what?...he is not Prime Time

154 calcajun  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:18pm

re: #142 buzzsawmonkey

a wax doll of Ahmedinejad.

No. We need an article of clothing, some hair (gotta be some on his back) and some of his ....oh, never mind.

155 SummerSong  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:34pm

Sorry if it's been posted - haven't caught up with the thread.

Steele to Rush: "I'm sorry"

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

156 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:43:43pm

re: #143 Lincolntf

The United States has made it possible for Israel to exist for 60 years, and we always will if I have anything to say about it.
But ultimately it's up to Israel to end the war against Israel.

No it is not. It is up to peace loving countries to get shoulder to
shoulder with Israel by word and deed, making it known to Israel's
enemies that Israel will be supported and defended no matter what.

157 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:44:02pm

re: #121 calcajun

And manuals
and spare parts
and starters
and valves
and tires
and roadside assistance protection.

And "On Star and Sickle" protection.

158 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:44:12pm

re: #149 Cato the Elder

Just so long as Teddy Roosevelt is the exception that proves the rule.

159 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:44:17pm

I think Newt is out of his mind.

160 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:44:30pm

re: #149 Cato the Elder

Well then. I'll count your vote out, too. I have a southern name that ends in "i".

161 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:44:40pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

Maybe he could use this product to feel younger: For the hair down there!

[Link: www.bettybeauty.com...]

And for those who shave, someone should bring back the merkin.

162 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:02pm
163 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:14pm

re: #154 calcajun

No. We need an article of clothing, some hair (gotta be some on his back) and some of his ....oh, never mind.

Dinnerjacket Mo-Jo would do the trick.

164 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:32pm

re: #159 Sharmuta

Was it the commercials with him sitting on the couch smoozing with Pelosi that convinced you?

165 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:33pm
166 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:35pm

Charles had a thread about how the US is pulling out of Durban II.

Melanie Phillips on why it's not what is seems and Obama is screwing Israel.

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

167 calcajun  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:44pm

re: #157 Soona'

And "On Star and Sickle" protection.

"Oh, you can trust your car to the man who wears the star...?"

168 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:55pm
169 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:45:58pm

re: #159 Sharmuta

I think Newt is out of his mind.

Oh, oh. Now what?

170 calcajun  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:46:11pm

re: #163 debutaunt

Dinnerjacket Mo-Jo would do the trick.

I think I speak for all of us when I say, "Eww."

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:46:12pm

re: #149 Cato the Elder

Actually, read this yesterday. Bobby gave himself the name after Bobby Brady in the Brady Bunch.

He kept it.

172 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:46:44pm

re: #140 ArmyWife

Ummm...no. I was born in the early 70s. But, I do have some neon left from middle school in the early 80s!

I guess I missed that. The 70's and 80's were sort of my lost years.

173 calcajun  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:46:53pm

re: #168 buzzsawmonkey

"My fellow, uh, merkins..."

Sounds like a great name for an electric car. The GM "Merkin"

174 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:47:15pm
175 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:47:24pm

re: #149 Cato the Elder

I don't trust any politician who shows he wants to be my pal by using the diminutive form of a first name. Jimmy Carter, Jerry Brown, Teddy Kennedy, Bobby Jindal. I wouldn't be on a first-name basis with any of them.

Don't forget Bill Clinton.
William Jefferson...

176 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:47:43pm

re: #43 rexatosis

Gov. Jindal is ready-made for the MSM to obliterate if he runs for POTUS in '12. He has creationist fossils in his closet, he's from one of the most politically disfunctional states in the Union (David Duke got elected to the state legislature, you better believe the spectre of the KKK will get raised if Jindal gets the nomination, POTUS or Veep), and he looks twelve (he makes our Metrosexual POTUS look like a lumberjack in comparison.) The MSM will build him up 'cause he will be so easy to tear down.

I agree completely.

177 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:47:46pm

re: #173 calcajun

Sounds like a great name for an electric car. The GM "Merkin"

Is that a gherkin lurkin' in your Merkin?

Sorry. It's late and I'm tired.

178 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:47:50pm

re: #143 Lincolntf

The United States has made it possible for Israel to exist for 60 years, and we always will if I have anything to say about it.
But ultimately it's up to Israel to end the war against Israel.

The US plays a double game. Helping Israel while helping to sustain the Arab/Islamic war against her.

179 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:48:08pm

re: #156 NonNativeTexan

You wait for the "whole world to come together", and I'll wait for the Hale- Bopp comet to take me to Space Heaven.
See which happens first.
The reality is that in a year or two Israel could be a smoldering pile, and no appeals to some imaginary communal spirit of defense of the righteous will be able to prevent that. Only Israel can.

180 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:49:38pm

re: #179 Lincolntf

I don't believe I said the whole world. I said
peace loving countries...

181 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:49:49pm

re: #178 Opinionated

The US plays a double game. Helping Israel while helping to sustain the Arab/Islamic war against her.

with your money....think about that

182 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:50:04pm

re: #162 buzzsawmonkey

For the first time in history, fiery rhetoric has melted Steele!

Trooferist!
/

183 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:50:05pm

re: #175 notutopia

Don't forget Bill Clinton.
William Jefferson...

That's because so many Republicans really shouldn't go there.

Rushy? Georgy? Newty? (Gag.) Mitty? (although he could get some great day-dream viral videos out of that)

184 UberInfidel67  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:50:31pm

But ultimately it's up to Israel to end the war against Israel.
I hope you mean that as in "they can't rely on anyone helping them" as opposed to "it's their problem and not ours"?

185 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:50:40pm

re: #57 notutopia

The grand ole parties NEW YOUNG Savior?

I found that little display of projection particularly disgusting.

186 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:50:58pm

re: #166 Opinionated

Charles had a thread about how the US is pulling out of Durban II.

Melanie Phillips on why it's not what is seems and Obama is screwing Israel.

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. I think time will show "Honest broker" , "Moral Equivalence" surrendercrats are no friends of Israel!

187 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:51:31pm
188 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:51:58pm
189 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:52:11pm

re: #179 Lincolntf

You wait for the "whole world to come together", and I'll wait for the Hale- Bopp comet to take me to Space Heaven.
See which happens first.
The reality is that in a year or two Israel could be a smoldering pile, and no appeals to some imaginary communal spirit of defense of the righteous will be able to prevent that. Only Israel can.

That's a pile.

190 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:52:17pm
191 UberInfidel67  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:52:36pm

Merkin Muffley sounds like a male pron actor name.

192 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:52:46pm

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey

One of the jokes-upon-jokes in "Dr. Strangelove" is that US President Merkin Muffley is bald.

G-D I love that movie

193 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:52:58pm
194 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:53:20pm

re: #111 LemonJoose

Very well said, though I would argue it's Goldwater who would smack Rush right about now.

195 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:53:27pm

re: #185 Sharmuta

I found that little display of projection particularly disgusting.

combine it with the "not quite ready for prime time" line and the subtext is...this guy's not running in 2012 so whomever the R's put forward is cut from the same old cloth.

196 ratherdashing  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:53:47pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

His "creationists fossils" will be a big deficit here at LGF and over at Kos. Most mainstream voters won't decide based on that alone.

He separates Louisiana from the KKK/David Duke reputation because he's brown.

Young/metrosexual looking? I suppose. But, that doesn't mean he can't govern.

I do agree that the MSM will build him up to tear him down. But, that's the case for any GOP early leader.

197 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:53:53pm

re: #187 NYCHardhat

He is dangerously naive. Or stupid. Or both.

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:54:03pm

re: #187 NYCHardhat

Yes. Yes he is.

199 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:54:32pm

re: #131 Thanos

Well it would have been nice to learn something new about him in the interview, that was somewhat lightweight in coverage.

It was very fluffy and designed to get me to like him. I reject it utterly. It's msm BS.

200 jmmejzz  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:55:00pm

At least D'Amato learned quickly: only do a 60 Minutes interview LIVE otherwise refuse cuz you really have nothing to lose. It is an irrelevant news outlet.

201 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:55:53pm

re: #142 buzzsawmonkey

As far as Jindal's participation in an exorcism is concerned, I'd overlook it gladly if he could get some New Orleans voodoo priestess to do some interesting and effective things to a wax doll of Ahmedinejad.

Or wax Ears & do something about earmarks

[Link: news.yahoo.com...] Even though President Barack Obama has repeatedly pledged to ban congressional earmarks, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has 16 such projects, worth about $8.5 million , in the bill the Senate is scheduled to begin debating Tuesday.

// Did I use the term "Ears" in reference to Obama policy? How insensitive. How racist. How earist. My apologies!

202 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:56:38pm

re: #200 jmmejzz

At least D'Amato learned quickly: only do a 60 Minutes interview LIVE otherwise refuse cuz you really have nothing to lose. It is an irrelevant news outlet.

60 Minutes is trailer trash in a Brooks Brothers suit....

203 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:56:55pm

re: #180 NonNativeTexan

204 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:56:56pm

re: #199 Sharmuta

Does 60 Minutes do real news? I thought they were "news magazine" news. Now that I've typed that, I'm trying to figure out who does, in fact, report hard news anymore and I'm coming up blank.

205 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:56:57pm
206 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:56:57pm

re: #201 Gort

Or wax Ears & do something about earmarks

[Link: news.yahoo.com...] Even though President Barack Obama has repeatedly pledged to ban congressional earmarks, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has 16 such projects, worth about $8.5 million , in the bill the Senate is scheduled to begin debating Tuesday.

// Did I use the term "Ears" in reference to Obama policy? How insensitive. How racist. How earist. My apologies!

Obama has earmarks in this budget from when he was a part time senator

207 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:57:18pm

re: #201 Gort

The earmarket is truly overwhelming the stockmarket.

208 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:57:37pm

re: #199 Sharmuta

It was very fluffy and designed to get me to like him. I reject it utterly. It's msm BS.

Well I agree that this was designed to get Republicans to like him, there were enough coded messages to the rabid atheists on the left in the interview to let them know "watch this guy, start compiling the evidence". It was very slickly done - send the signal while pushing him forward. This is the left's choice for 2012.

209 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:58:05pm

re: #206 Nevergiveup

Obama has earmarks in this budget from when he was a part time senator

He's left his earmarks all over it.

210 LemonJoose  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:58:07pm

re #114 ArmyWife:

That's unfortunate, because the media are doing a successful job right now painting all conservatives and the Republican party as being disciples of Rush. What we need right now is someone to stand up and take Rush on in a public way to demonstrate that he's just one voice and conservatism is not defined by Rush. It's probably difficult for Steele to do it since in his role as RNC Chair he has to try and be diplomatic and keep the party coalition together. Maybe John McCain or someone like Rudy Giuliani can do it.

The Democrats and the media would like everyone to believe that Republicans are all like Rush and the far right on social issue, and if no prominent Republican is willing to stand up and take him on, then they'll succeed.

211 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:58:36pm

re: #187 NYCHardhat

Is he trying to destroy everything?

Building up to the trial of Bush / Cheney / Rove.

212 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:58:45pm
213 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:59:10pm

re: #41 Cognito

Ah. And the brilliance shines through in the comments section, as ever.

*burp*

214 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:59:19pm

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

I think the proper spelling is ear-Marx, people.

good one...haha

215 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:00:40pm

re: #208 Thanos

I think that it's a given that any devout liberal will object to Jindal regardless of perceived media biases. Given his views on abortion, illegal aliens, and intelligent design. Thus it's not a winnable debate and that leaves Jindal or any other future Republican candidate with nothing to lose with regards to media exposure.

216 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:00:43pm

re: #196 ratherdashing

I just had a long conversation with my liberal cousin on taxes. I think I may have made some headway with her concerning why it is I'm a republican. She's not listened to me on this issue much before, but she listened tonight. Then we discussed Jindal. Now- she's a science fan. She wants to go into a science field for a career. She was appalled by Jindal's comments. Then I told her of his exorcism, and she said that was enough.

We have a chance here in the next two elections to state a clear, fiscally responsible message that will resonate with people in this economy. We're wasting that opportunity by looking to people with baggage that's sinking them already. This man will not appeal to a wavering independent, moderate or democrat- he'll scare them.

217 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:00:45pm

re: #210 LemonJoose

re #114 ArmyWife:

That's unfortunate, because the media are doing a successful job right now painting all conservatives and the Republican party as being disciples of Rush. What we need right now is someone to stand up and take Rush on in a public way to demonstrate that he's just one voice and conservatism is not defined by Rush. It's probably difficult for Steele to do it since in his role as RNC Chair he has to try and be diplomatic and keep the party coalition together. Maybe John McCain or someone like Rudy Giuliani can do it.

The Democrats and the media would like everyone to believe that Republicans are all like Rush and the far right on social issue, and if no prominent Republican is willing to stand up and take him on, then they'll succeed.

I was trying (and failing) to say this earlier. Thank you for putting it together in this way.

218 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:00:59pm

re: #117 jcm

re: #210 LemonJoose

re #114 ArmyWife:

That's unfortunate, because the media are doing a successful job right now painting all conservatives and the Republican party as being disciples of Rush. What we need right now is someone to stand up and take Rush on in a public way to demonstrate that he's just one voice and conservatism is not defined by Rush. It's probably difficult for Steele to do it since in his role as RNC Chair he has to try and be diplomatic and keep the party coalition together. Maybe John McCain or someone like Rudy Giuliani can do it.

The Democrats and the media would like everyone to believe that Republicans are all like Rush and the far right on social issue, and if no prominent Republican is willing to stand up and take him on, then they'll succeed.

I repeat my re: #117 jcm

Alinsky rule #12 at work.

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

Obama picks the target.... meanwhile the GOP falls all over themselves choosing sides....

Rush is not the target.

The policies of Obama / Reid / Pelosi are the target.

Steele vs. Rush is want Obama wants, infighting on the right while he socialize the country, bankrupts the economy, and surrenders our security.

219 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:01:29pm

Apollo 13 on now AMC. Houston we have a problem

220 Emperor Norton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:01:34pm

My favorite part of this 60 Minutes video is where Morley Safer's head does one complete 360-degree turn.

221 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:01:47pm

re: #204 ArmyWife

Does 60 Minutes do real news? I thought they were "news magazine" news. Now that I've typed that, I'm trying to figure out who does, in fact, report hard news anymore and I'm coming up blank.

I think there's a memo about that.

222 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:14pm

re: #216 Sharmuta

I just had a long conversation with my liberal cousin on taxes. I think I may have made some headway with her concerning why it is I'm a republican. She's not listened to me on this issue much before, but she listened tonight. Then we discussed Jindal. Now- she's a science fan. She wants to go into a science field for a career. She was appalled by Jindal's comments. Then I told her of his exorcism, and she said that was enough.

We have a chance here in the next two elections to state a clear, fiscally responsible message that will resonate with people in this economy. We're wasting that opportunity by looking to people with baggage that's sinking them already. This man will not appeal to a wavering independent, moderate or democrat- he'll scare them.

Amen.

223 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:15pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Apollo 13 on now AMC. Houston we have a problem

Hard to top Rudy, though...

224 UberInfidel67  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:17pm

re: #191 UberInfidel67 It does!

225 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:26pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Apollo 13 on now AMC. Houston we have a problem

Yeah, but we don't have any Steely Eyed Missile Men to get the country back home.

226 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:28pm
227 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:35pm

re: #210 LemonJoose

I think Rush was spot on - though I don't agree with 100% of what he says daily, his CPAC speech said what I expect Michael Steele to say. I wish we had a candidate who was as capable a public speaker as Rush, who was willing to speak as Rush does on the topics, and who was willing to call the Dems out for the idiots they are as Rush does.

McCain would take Rush on because McCain is moderate at best. This is one of the reasons we lost a very winnable election. We better learn from that or our clock will be cleaned again.

228 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:47pm

re: #210 LemonJoose

Is Rush really "far-right" on social issues? I assume he opposes gay marriage like most conservatives (and Obama) and I assume he opposes Fed. funding of abortions (like most conservatives), but otherwise is he really "far right?"
I watched his speech at CPAC and listened to his show after the inauguration and found him to be pretty centrist. He doesn't hide his contempt for Leftism, but he doesn't advocate anything "far-right" as far as I've ever seen.

229 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:02:48pm

SAAAAAAAAARAAAAAAHHHH!

230 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:03:10pm

I was uncomfortable watching that interview. They portrayed Jindal as a clumsy, dopey, wimpy nerd. (Oh yeah, he's Indian, did we mention that?) There was nothing flattering about that interview at all. Morley was condescending and almost reluctant. Even the clips they chose to use, bad angles, goofy laughing. I hate the MSM.

231 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:03:11pm

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

I think the proper spelling is ear-Marx, people.

It's quite the devilish shell game they have going:
Step 1) Run up the debt.
Step 2) Sell treasuries to finance debt.
Step 3) Enact policies that kill equities forcing people into treasuries

232 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:03:26pm
233 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:03:56pm

re: #128 opinionated

All you need to know are in these two headlines, hours apart.

Gaza rocket hits Ashkelon

U.S. Pledges $300 Million in Gaza Aid

What the hell else does anyone need to see and know.

While the barbarians are firing rockets at Israel, the US -during a stock market and economic crash- pledges them $millions.

Gaza doesn't want handouts, they want free access to kill Jews.

234 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:04:02pm

No jokes about Michelle's earmarks, please...

235 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:04:36pm

re: #28 Cognito

It wasn't racist, Ploome.

It' s actually a swipe at -- aw, forget it. You've made up your mind.

It's racist. Whatever. Boo.

ROFLMAO. Ding

236 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:04:39pm
237 kingkenrod  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:05:11pm

I keep hearing this idea that the MSM is setting Jindal up for 2012 so he can get beat by Obama.

Please.

The MSM is going to shit on ANY member of the GOP. Especially conservative members. And they're definitely not going to prop up a guy like Jindal who represents everything the GOP is not known for - young, ethnic, competent, a reformer. There's no way they are going to let the GOP remake their image.

The only reason they kissed up to McCain (before he won the nomination, anyway) was because he was so good at playing kissy-face with Democrats and MSM favorites like Hillary Clinton while combating his own party.

The NY Times brought up Jindal's unusual exorcism experience just last week:

Bobby Jindal, The Exorcist

All you have to do is a google search and read how badly Jindal is getting trashed in the MSM.

238 livefreeor die  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:05:26pm

re: #187 NYCHardhat

Is he trying to destroy everything?

It's hard to believe that this is all just pure incompetence.

239 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:05:32pm

re: #236 buzzsawmonkey

It'll be a stretch.

stretch marks too?

240 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:05:53pm

re: #228 Lincolntf

I agree, If you listen to Rush on a consistent basis, no way to
classify him as far right.

241 ratherdashing  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:06:42pm

re: #216 Sharmuta

This man will not appeal to a wavering independent, moderate or democrat- he'll scare them

I don't know if he's ready to be a candidate for President. I was excited that McCain considered him (and Palin) for the VP spot. He would have attracted Christian conservatives, moneyed Indians, and some rednecks. I can't think right now of a candidate that would appeal to the "wavering independent" and am not really sure we will ever be able to define what they want.

242 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:07:04pm
243 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:07:48pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Stretch Marx is the communist version of Silly Putty: you can pick up news stories with it, but get them backwards, then stretch them out of shape. And if you expose it to persistent sunlight it will melt away.

dude, you rock.

244 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:08:11pm

re: #232 buzzsawmonkey

Think of it! From "The Russians are coming!" to "The Rush-ians are coming!" in only 40 years.

Who says progress is dead?

The Russians Are Coming

245 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:08:22pm

re: #210 LemonJoose

re #114 ArmyWife:

That's unfortunate, because the media are doing a successful job right now painting all conservatives and the Republican party as being disciples of Rush. What we need right now is someone to stand up and take Rush on in a public way to demonstrate that he's just one voice and conservatism is not defined by Rush. It's probably difficult for Steele to do it since in his role as RNC Chair he has to try and be diplomatic and keep the party coalition together. Maybe John McCain or someone like Rudy Giuliani can do it.

The Democrats and the media would like everyone to believe that Republicans are all like Rush and the far right on social issue, and if no prominent Republican is willing to stand up and take him on, then they'll succeed.

Rudy would mostly agree with Rush. And McCain? Nobody gives a shit what he thinks anymore. If you would just look around and listen more closely, there are many conservatives, other than Rush, that are saying basically the same thing as Limbaugh is saying; radio heads, politicians, former polititions, people on consevative blogs, as well as myself. There are many "spokesmen" for Reaganism. More than you probably want to imagine.

246 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:08:25pm

re: #228 Lincolntf

He has noted support for creationism insofar as he has said evolutionists are not big tent because they are unwilling to accept the creationist views, though I couldn't state with certainty Rush Limbaugh himself is a creationist. Someone else may be able too.

I have also heard on his program that what 2 consenting adults do behind closed doors is no one's business. The issue is when the word "right" gets tossed around, and the lifestyle is forced upon others that it becomes problematic.

247 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:08:29pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Stretch Marx is the communist version of Silly Putty: you can pick up news stories with it, but get them backwards, then stretch them out of shape. And if you expose it to persistent sunlight it will melt away.

ha!...I'm staying for the lambchops...waiter!

248 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:09:09pm

re: #114 ArmyWife

You must have missed this:
[Link: www.politico.com...]

thanks. I have to say this whole dust-up is so silly. The dems are loving it and using it to get their minions to open up their wallets again. and march to the pay-to-play business killing union.

249 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:09:20pm

Okay, so there is a lot to pick on with the interview, but at least Mrs. Jindal looked nice.

Now if they could just stop talking about how she doesn't want her husband in politics...

250 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:09:23pm

re: #241 ratherdashing

The American people will want a sound, fiscal policy; some grown-ups; positive and meaningful solutions.

I believe we can deliver, but Bobby's not the guy.

251 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:09:57pm

re: #238 livefreeor die

It's hard to believe that this is all just pure incompetence.

It's not. It's planned and calculated. Obama only knows campaigning. He's running against Bush now. He has to discredited Bush any way he can to win.

He has ∅ experience actually running anything, or on his own performance, as a community organizer as a politician he has ALWAYS been against Big (fill in the blank) to pandering to his constituents.

252 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:10:06pm

re: #234 Spare O'Lake

No jokes about Michelle's earmarks, please...

No jokes, just the facts...

Madame Tussauds to unveil wax figure of first lady

253 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:10:17pm

re: #237 kingkenrod

You're right that any GOPer is going to be trashed by the media, regardless of who it is, how qualified they are, and how awful Obama turns out to be (and he's already off to a flying start with selecting cronies and tax cheats galore).

Romney has the executive experience and economics and policy background, but the media will harp on his religious background. They'll do the same to Jindal vis a vis the exorcism and his ID stance.

The problem is not that the media is focusing on them, but that the media was also ignoring all of the problems associated with Obama on those same lines. A GOP candidate will not get that kind of support, which means a GOPer has to try that much hard and do things that much better to overcome the built in advantages to the Democrats.

And so far, few GOPers are lighting the fire - but it's still early. It also gets late early and the GOP has to start figuring out who it wants to cater to, how it wants to win back the voters, and prepare for 2012 by working to retake the House in 2010.

254 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:11:49pm

re: #245 Soona'

Rudy would mostly agree with Rush. And McCain? Nobody gives a shit what he thinks anymore. If you would just look around and listen more closely, there are many conservatives, other than Rush, that are saying basically the same thing as Limbaugh is saying; radio heads, politicians, former polititions, people on consevative blogs, as well as myself. There are many "spokesmen" for Reaganism. More than you probably want to imagine.

WE may know who and what Rush is, but the other side does not. LemonJoose is correct when he/she says that to the left Rush is the figurehead for everything bad about the far right -fair or not.

255 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:11:54pm

re: #248 FrogMarch

thanks. I have to say this whole dust-up is so silly. The dems are loving it and using it to get their minions to open up their wallets again. and march to the pay-to-play business killing union.

I disagree. The DC republicans are so out of touch,
Rush needs to keep hammering them whether they listen or
not and let the chips fall where they may.

256 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:12:17pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ron Kirk is latest Cabinet pick hit by tax woes;

Add former Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk to the list of Obama Cabinet picks with tax problems.

What the first 3 didn't teach them to check the appointees taxes?

257 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:12:45pm

re: #218 jcm

re: #210 LemonJoose


Obama picks the target.... meanwhile the GOP falls all over themselves choosing sides....

Rush is not the target.

The policies of Obama / Reid / Pelosi are the target.

Steele vs. Rush is want Obama wants, infighting on the right while he socialize the country, bankrupts the economy, and surrenders our security.

But even you have to admit, I hope, that there has to be some moderate/democrat-appeasing deadwood that needs to be cut out of the Repub leadership.

258 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:12:49pm

Think Fiscal Conservative for a 2012 candidate. This is what we NEED and also what will WIN the majority of the republican party, and many independent conservative leaning Democrats and Libertarians! We have got to take back this country of ours, shore up this pork spending and stop this slide into social fascism!

259 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:12:57pm

re: #250 Sharmuta

I completely agree. But Bobby isn't the anti-Christ either. We don't need to settle, I am confident our candidate exists - so long as we don't expect one person to embody all that we've deemed perfect. We all have a variation on "perfect" though there are core values we seem to agree. That ought to be the clear focus.

260 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:14:15pm

re: #255 NonNativeTexan

I disagree. The DC republicans are so out of touch,
Rush needs to keep hammering them whether they listen or
not and let the chips fall where they may.

The dust-up comes at a time when top Democrats are trying to make Limbaugh the face of the Republican Party, in part by using ads funded by labor. Americans United for Change sent a fund-raising e-mail Monday that begins: “The Republican Party has turned into the Rush Limbaugh Party.”

from the Politico article.
[Link: www.politico.com...]

261 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:14:28pm

re: #254 Bloodnok

But they would say I am everything bad about the Right if they spent 5 minutes with me. What they mean is "Rush doesn't think like us liberals which means he is evil!"

262 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:15:09pm

Russia
Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

[Link: en.rian.ru...]

It's usually better not to make it know you were gonna shit can the missile defense system anyway before you try and bluff Putin. Ever play an poker Obama?

263 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:15:15pm

re: #257 Soona'

But even you have to admit, I hope, that there has to be some moderate/democrat-appeasing deadwood that needs to be cut out of the Repub leadership.

Absolutely.

Right now we're playing into Obama's hands.

re: #255 NonNativeTexan

I disagree. The DC republicans are so out of touch,
Rush needs to keep hammering them whether they listen or
not and let the chips fall where they may.

Yep, it's the Beltway RNC that's the problem. Rush is closer to the core than anyone in the beltway.

We need to clean house on our terms. Not because we are provoked by Obama et. al.

264 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:15:56pm

re: #254 Bloodnok

WE may know who and what Rush is, but the other side does not. LemonJoose is correct when he/she says that to the left Rush is the figurehead for everything bad about the far right -fair or not.

let me try again:

from the Politico
[Link: www.politico.com...]

The dust-up comes at a time when top Democrats are trying to make Limbaugh the face of the Republican Party, in part by using ads funded by labor. Americans United for Change sent a fund-raising e-mail Monday that begins: “The Republican Party has turned into the Rush Limbaugh Party.”

(better layout)

265 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:16:07pm

re: #257 Soona'

But even you have to admit, I hope, that there has to be some moderate/democrat-appeasing deadwood that needs to be cut out of the Repub leadership.

who in the current leadership is causing you heartburn?

266 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:16:13pm

re: #262 Nevergiveup

Russia
Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

[Link: en.rian.ru...]

It's usually better not to make it know you were gonna shit can the missile defense system anyway before you try and bluff Putin. Ever play an poker Obama?

What a fool!

267 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:16:28pm

re: #259 ArmyWife

I'm not trying to paint him as the anti-Christ. I don't subscribe to that notion. I just think he's not nationally viable so we should move on and keep looking.

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:16:35pm

Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.

Fuckstick.

269 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:17:09pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Stretch Marx is the communist version of Silly Putty: you can pick up news stories with it, but get them backwards, then stretch them out of shape. And if you expose it to persistent sunlight it will melt away.

ROTFL

Shares in Unilever up sharply in after-hours trading after analysts predict increased demand for laundry detergent to remove skid-marx resulting from the market's drop earlier in the day.

270 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:17:22pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.

Fuckstick.

Link?

271 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:17:25pm

re: #260 FrogMarch

I'd rather be the Rush Limbaugh party than what they are now.
If we ever got a straight talking politician that wasn't PC and
could articulate conservative values, people would listen.

272 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:17:26pm

re: #244 Nevergiveup

The Russians Are Coming

One of my favorite movies!

273 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:18pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.

Fuckstick.


OBAMA 'READY TO DROP MISSILE SHIELD PLANS FOR RUSSIAN HELP ON IRAN'

Putin is playing right into our trap.
/

274 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:29pm

re: #270 notutopia

Link?

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

275 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:34pm
276 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:37pm

re: #267 Sharmuta

I think we are in the same camp with this one.

277 ratherdashing  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:50pm
278 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:54pm

re: #262 Nevergiveup

Russia
Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'

[Link: en.rian.ru...]

It's usually better not to make it know you were gonna shit can the missile defense system anyway before you try and bluff Putin. Ever play an poker Obama?

I knew the MSN was on the left, but a link to the Russian press ?

279 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:18:55pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.

Fuckstick.

BEYOND STUPID!

280 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:19:02pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.

Fuckstick.

Poland, under the bus.

281 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:19:03pm

re: #273 Walter L. Newton

And this should be our bigger concern than Bobby Jindal at the moment.

282 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:19:46pm

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ah, fer Pete's sake... look at the booming headline on Drudge.

Fuckstick.

That wink from Putin is, however, priceless. That wink says he's got Barry right where he wants him and by the balls, too.

283 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:20:00pm

re: #258 notutopia

Think Fiscal Conservative for a 2012 candidate. This is what we NEED and also what will WIN the majority of the republican party, and many independent conservative leaning Democrats and Libertarians! We have got to take back this country of ours, shore up this pork spending and stop this slide into social fascism!

who?....
Romney is a Mormon
Huntsman is a Mormon
Jindal is an idiot
Palin is a girl
Rudy is Rudy
Huckaby is a redneck
Jon Sanford is a creationist
Mitch McConnell ?
John Boehner ?

284 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:20:54pm

re: #278 avanti

I knew the MSN was on the left, but a link to the Russian press ?

And that's different than a link to the NYT's how?

285 calcajun  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:21:00pm

re: #177 Russkilitlover

Is that a gherkin lurkin' in your Merkin?

Sorry. It's late and I'm tired.

Don't be jerking the Merkin to get to the gherkin. That kind of thing is a might irking.

286 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:21:04pm

OBAMA 'READY TO DROP MISSILE SHIELD PLANS FOR RUSSIAN HELP ON IRAN'

Mr. President, quick foreign policy quiz. No trick questions, just a quick reality check.

Who has been Iran's patron in nuclear developement?

287 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:21:18pm

Jindal, Palin or any other fresh face of the GOP best be prepared to step back for a while. One month into the Obama experience and the shape of things (the pain) to come is becoming ever more apparent. Given the current pace of change, there will be a very high premium on competence and experience in future elections.

Romney is well positioned. If he can sustain the counter argument to bloated government he, or someone else demonstrably competent, may well sweep to office in '12 over the dead body of our failed Utopian induced economy. A happy ending to a horror story I suppose. I'll probably be too old and too broke to care at that point however.

288 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:21:25pm

re: #283 albusteve

who?....
Romney is a Mormon
Huntsman is a Mormon
Jindal is an idiot
Palin is a girl
Rudy is Rudy
Huckaby is a redneck
Jon Sanford is a creationist
Mitch McConnell ?
John Boehner ?

Stephen Hawking

289 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:21:39pm

Surprise Asteroid Makes Near-Miss of Earth

The rock, estimated to be no more than 200 feet wide, zoomed past our planet at an altitude of 40,000 miles at 1:44 p.m. universal time — or 8:44 EST.

Dubbed 2009 DD45, it was discovered only on Friday by Australian astronomers.

Forty thousand miles may sound like a lot, but it's only about one-seventh of the way to the moon, and less than twice as far out as many telecommunications satellites.

Had 2009 DD45 hit the Earth, it would have exploded on or near the surface with the force of a large nuclear blast — not very reassuring when you consider humanity had only about three days' notice.

/it's just a matter of time

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:22:01pm

re: #282 Russkilitlover

That wink from Putin is, however, priceless. That wink says he's got Barry right where he wants him and by the balls, too.

So much for the Kumbahyah commie types you've met so far President Obama. Here's a stone cold Stalin type to mentor you.....

291 calcajun  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:22:49pm

re: #192 Nevergiveup

G-D I love that movie

It's a sight you outta see! A big plane like a 52! Jet exhaust fryin' chickens in the barnyard!

292 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:22:55pm

Obama pushes centers as one focus of health reform

As he announced the nominations of his two top health executives, Obama highlighted the allocation of $155 million to 126 community health centers as part of the $787 billion economic stimulus package.

I hope they are going to have really big waiting rooms.

293 Syrah  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:23:11pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Apollo 13 on now AMC. Houston we have a problem

Are you sure that's not on the financial channel?

294 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:23:17pm

re: #254 Bloodnok

WE may know who and what Rush is, but the other side does not. LemonJoose is correct when he/she says that to the left Rush is the figurehead for everything bad about the far right -fair or not.

Rush's opinion is not "far right". Neither are most Reagan conservatives. All Rush has advocated is that the government abide by what is allowed by the US Constitution.

295 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:23:21pm

re: #289 Killian Bundy

There is opportunity here! QUICK! Let's certify each other as meteor watchers and get our bill for $8 katrillion up to the White House RIGHT NOW!

296 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:23:27pm

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So much for the Kumbahyah commie types you've met so far President Obama. Here's a stone cold Stalin type to mentor you.....

generally commies work well together...no surprise here

297 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:24:03pm

re: #289 Killian Bundy

Surprise Asteroid Makes Near-Miss of Earth

/it's just a matter of time

Wouldn't a near-miss be a hit? Wouldn't a near-hit be a miss?

/I'm sure we have more important things to worry about

//

298 livefreeor die  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:24:07pm

re: #286 jcm

OBAMA 'READY TO DROP MISSILE SHIELD PLANS FOR RUSSIAN HELP ON IRAN'

Mr. President, quick foreign policy quiz. No trick questions, just a quick reality check.

Who has been Iran's patron in nuclear developement?

Can a president be recalled?

299 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:24:09pm

But for Obama's race, Jindal would be nowhere, man.

300 calcajun  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:24:19pm

re: #220 Emperor Norton

My favorite part of this 60 Minutes video is where Morley Safer's head does one complete 360-degree turn.

Mother, make it stop!

301 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:24:59pm

re: #292 jcm

Obama pushes centers as one focus of health reform


I hope they are going to have really big waiting rooms.

In other news, Tuesday's trading saw pharmaceuticals and health care shares plunge to new lows.....

302 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:02pm

re: #288 Walter L. Newton

Stephen Hawking

Well, he can split atoms with his mind.

303 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:13pm

re: #288 Walter L. Newton

Stephen Hawking

Who is, regrettably...not an American. Not even with a nirth certifikit.

304 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:26pm

re: #294 Soona'

Rush's opinion is not "far right". Neither are most Reagan conservatives. All Rush has advocated is that the government abide by what is allowed by the US Constitution.

I'm not suggesting it is. But ask someone on the left who Rush is. See what they say.

305 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:31pm

re: #296 albusteve

generally commies work well together...no surprise here

Obama is a cold stone Stalinist in Kumbaya clothing.

306 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:35pm

re: #298 livefreeor die

Can a president be recalled?

Just like an ICBM.

;)

307 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:43pm

re: #298 livefreeor die

It's called impeachment. There is a way to do so for incompetence, however, based on what happened with Nixon, removal is near impossible.

308 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:25:46pm

re: #298 livefreeor die

Can a president be recalled?

only if he's worthy enough for some reason...

309 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:26:23pm

re: #284 Nevergiveup

The only difference is that the Russian press actually turns a profit.

310 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:26:29pm

'Nite all. Sweet dreams.

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:26:37pm

re: #289 Killian Bundy

Crazy as hell. I posted this at noon (Eastern) today...

3/02/2009 9:00:16 am PST


I have a very bad thing to admit.

If I heard an asteroid was coming toward earth and was going to destroy everything tomorrow....I'd be okay with it. I'd be leaving nobody behind, everyone would be facing the same fate

312 livefreeor die  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:26:41pm

re: #306 OldLineTexan

Just like an ICBM.

;)

The way things are going, the ICBM would be less of a threat to our country.

313 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:26:50pm

re: #293 Syrah

Are you sure that's not on the financial channel?

Deep Impact is on tomorrow...

314 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:01pm

I recall James Polk....but I don't know why

315 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:11pm

re: #307 ArmyWife

It's called impeachment. There is a way to do so for incompetence, however, based on what happened with Nixon, removal is near impossible.

We know felonies are enough.

316 so.cal.swede  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:27pm

Jindal could easily survive a straight up attack, and maybe even come out ahead. But this -- dimunition by patronization -- is lethal.

re: #10 Cognito

"A pat on the head, and off you go, Bobby.

Loved you in Slumdog."


Reading your first and second comment together, the second makes sense. Reading your second comment alone, makes the reader believe that it was YOUR opinion of Jindal. not "what the MSM would say" about him.

It was still a bad comment though. Why would you assume that MSM would say that?

317 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:29pm

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crazy as hell. I posted this at noon (Eastern) today...

3/02/2009 9:00:16 am PST

I have a very bad thing to admit.

If I heard an asteroid was coming toward earth and was going to destroy everything tomorrow....I'd be okay with it. I'd be leaving nobody behind, everyone would be facing the same fate

I would be pissed if I couldn't get a piece of it for my meteorite collection.

318 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:30pm

re: #315 jcm

We know felonies are enough.

PIMF aren't

319 Aviator  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:37pm

re: #282 Russkilitlover

That wink from Putin is, however, priceless. That wink says he's got Barry right where he wants him and by the balls, too.

Where did he find them? Michelle's purse?

320 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:27:48pm

Scientists make HIV strain that can infect monkeys

[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

I think I saw this movie. What could possibly go wrong?

321 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:28:05pm
322 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:28:09pm

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crazy as hell. I posted this at noon (Eastern) today...

3/02/2009 9:00:16 am PST


I have a very bad thing to admit.

If I heard an asteroid was coming toward earth and was going to destroy everything tomorrow....I'd be okay with it. I'd be leaving nobody behind, everyone would be facing the same fate

Imagine the skyrocketing booze prices ...

323 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:28:18pm

re: #292 jcm

Health clinics reduce pressure on emergency rooms. They also operate at a lower cost and billing is typically more affordable for those that use them.

155 million is marked for 126 clinics. That comes out to 1.2 million per clinic on average which isn't very much in this day and age.

324 midwestgak  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:28:36pm

Charles - Morley Safer suppports your view.

325 ratherdashing  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:28:42pm

re: #294 Soona'

All Rush has advocated is that the government abide by what is allowed by the US Constitution.


We've gotten so, so far away from that.

326 livefreeor die  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:29:04pm

re: #319 Aviator

Where did he find them? Michelle's purse?

I thought she kept them in a sparkling, hand cut crystal jar.

327 Syrah  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:29:56pm

re: #313 lawhawk

Deep Impact is on tomorrow...

Will Larry Kudlow or Jim Cramer be offering commentary? If so, that might be interesting.

328 lobo91  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:30:39pm

re: #294 Soona'

Rush's opinion is not "far right". Neither are most Reagan conservatives. All Rush has advocated is that the government abide by what is allowed by the US Constitution.

By the left's definition, that makes him a dangerous right-wing radical.

329 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:30:41pm

re: #321 buzzsawmonkey

Very good! Maybe we are looking in obvious places for our next candidate rather than the BEST place to find him/her. We want a politician that doesn't behave like a politician. It would seem to me our best course would be to pick someone with executive experience, but perhaps not in the political arena. Open our horizons, throw some names around that wouldn't be traditionally discussed.

330 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:31:28pm

re: #304 Bloodnok

I'm not suggesting it is. But ask someone on the left who Rush is. See what they say.

He is the poster boy for the far right to the middle and the left. Steele seems pretty moderate, thus he's doomed.

331 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:32:31pm

re: #328 lobo91

Yes, but why do we care so much about what the left thinks? They certainly aren't concerned with how we feel about them! Let's focus on what WE think, the left can come along or not, it really doesn't matter.

332 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:33:13pm

re: #327 Syrah

Will Larry Kudlow or Jim Cramer be offering commentary? If so, that might be interesting.

/any day now, if this keeps up, I expect Cramer to douse himself with gasoline and immolate himself on the TV

333 Buster Bunny  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:33:38pm

re: #313 lawhawk

Deep Impact is on tomorrow...

Oh good .. another Hollywood 'WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE' movie.

I have another scary movie they can make.

OBAMA.

Based on a real life story.

334 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:02pm

re: #330 avanti

He is the poster boy for the far right to the middle and the left. Steele seems pretty moderate, thus he's doomed.

Wait, wait, wait... doomed for what? Your statement makes no sense. Steele is doomed NOT to be a poster boy, or what, what... in the least you are very confusing.

335 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:10pm

flat out lying about YOUR money...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

336 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:12pm

re: #265 cronus

who in the current leadership is causing you heartburn?

Let's see. Start with the RNC. I still haven't seen anything of a winning way with them. 3-4 senators (you know who they are). All the repubs who thought they could get away with the earmarks they have in the present budget bill. Several repub governers who've fallen for the zero's budget giveaway. Repub. pundits and reporters in DC whose noses are already scarred brown from being up the zero's ass. I'm sure there's more to the list, but I'm getting myself ready to leave work now.

337 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:16pm

re: #304 Bloodnok

We're hearing some tough talk because they know the "hostages" are getting restless.

338 lobo91  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:31pm

re: #331 ArmyWife

Yes, but why do we care so much about what the left thinks? They certainly aren't concerned with how we feel about them! Let's focus on what WE think, the left can come along or not, it really doesn't matter.

Mostly because they control the media and the education system. Like it or not, the left gets to define our candidates for the majority of the electorate.

339 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:34:33pm

re: #333 Buster Bunny

Oh good .. another Hollywood 'WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE' movie.

I have another scary movie they can make.

OBAMA.

Based on a real life story.

Is this the one where the protagonist drives the biggest economy in the world over a cliff?
And that is at the beginning of the movie.

340 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:35:03pm

I feel this story is an important read for those less aware of the stalwart conservative that Canada's Stephen Harper really is.

By the Wall Street Journal. Harper is a Conservative, the strongest supporter of the State of Israel that I have seen in the West, and his government has been a champion of Democracy and Democratic Values.

341 Syrah  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:35:06pm

re: #332 Killian Bundy

/any day now, if this keeps up, I expect Cramer to douse himself with gasoline and immolate himself on the TV

His is one of the few shows that make me almost want to get a TV.

I can only imagine the conniption fits he must be having on a nightly basis now.

342 Afrocity  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:35:37pm

OT.

I am watching the O'Reilly Factor. Did anyone see Juan admit to Bill that he is becoming more conservative due to their friendship?

343 Insufficiently Sensitive  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:35:42pm

Morley Safer, dripping condescention and cynicism, is just the last guy I want to bring me the 'news'. He does his very best - and I admit he's good at the backhand, the brushoff, the sneer, and pissing in the soup - to pour scorn on Governor Jindal. Safer serves as a stalwart of the MSM 'making a difference', in the Democrats favor. His opinion piece is clearly a component of the MSM's pre-emptive attack on any and all upcoming Republicans who might grow to be serious contenders for future White House residency - it echoes the 180 degree turn the MSM made from liking Governor Palin, when she upset the good ol' Republican boys in Alaska, to hating her and doing their utmost to slander her when she appeared beside John McCain in opposition to their own preferred Obama.

Spare us these 'news' anchors, guard your remaining valuables, and if this viciously biased Safer character comes to town, prepare the tar and feathers.

344 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:35:59pm

re: #336 Soona'

Let's see. Start with the RNC. I still haven't seen anything of a winning way with them. 3-4 senators (you know who they are). All the repubs who thought they could get away with the earmarks they have in the present budget bill. Several repub governers who've fallen for the zero's budget giveaway. Repub. pundits and reporters in DC whose noses are already scarred brown from being up the zero's ass. I'm sure there's more to the list, but I'm getting myself ready to leave work now.

So- they're RINOs in your opinion because they're not toeing the fiscal line?

345 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:36:23pm

re: #342 Afrocity

OT.

I am watching the O'Reilly Factor. Did anyone see Juan admit to Bill that he is becoming more conservative due to their friendship?

Juan is a tolerable democrat.

346 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:36:34pm

France: We'll quit UN conference if anti-Israel remarks made
Published: 03.03.09, 00:34 / Israel News
French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said his country would not hesitate to withdraw from the UN's anti-racism conference, scheduled to be held in April in Geneva, should any remarks be made against Israel or Jews. (AFP)

He has got to fuckin kidding? Nobody can be that stupid?

347 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:36:38pm
348 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:36:45pm

re: #304 Bloodnok

I'm not suggesting it is. But ask someone on the left who Rush is. See what they say.

But you don't get it. I could give a flying shit what the left thinks of Rush.

349 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:37:09pm

re: #323 Gus 802

Health clinics reduce pressure on emergency rooms. They also operate at a lower cost and billing is typically more affordable for those that use them.

155 million is marked for 126 clinics. That comes out to 1.2 million per clinic on average which isn't very much in this day and age.

Once it starts, it won't end.

350 Buster Bunny  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:37:41pm

re: #339 Kosh's Shadow

Is this the one where the protagonist drives the biggest economy in the world over a cliff?
And that is at the beginning of the movie.

They can have a cast of good quality stars in this movie.

Paul Newman, Michael Hutchence, Heath Ledger, Mahatma Ghandi, Benazir Bhutto, John F Kennedy and of course Marilyn Monroe.

Yes they are all dead, but he needs someone to make him look good.

351 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:37:56pm

re: #331 ArmyWife

Yes, but why do we care so much about what the left thinks? They certainly aren't concerned with how we feel about them! Let's focus on what WE think, the left can come along or not, it really doesn't matter.

I believe it matters because we are after 5-10 percentage points worth of people who voted for Obama in the last election (more if we can get it).

352 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:38:13pm

re: #341 Syrah

His is one of the few shows that make me almost want to get a TV.

I can only imagine the conniption fits he must be having on a nightly basis now.

/I watch the show and it's getting hard to watch, he's totally turned on everything Obama

353 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:38:13pm

re: #342 Afrocity

OT.

I am watching the O'Reilly Factor. Did anyone see Juan admit to Bill that he is becoming more conservative due to their friendship?

Then he should become friends with us here and complete the transformation

354 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:38:40pm

re: #331 ArmyWife

Yes, but why do we care so much about what the left thinks? They certainly aren't concerned with how we feel about them! Let's focus on what WE think, the left can come along or not, it really doesn't matter.

you are exactly right.
we shouldn't give any consideration to what the left thinks.
when mccain tried to appease or relate to them, he was used, manipulated and
then kicked in the teeth.
the left can not be trusted and can not be looked to for respect and acceptance.

they are the enemy, thru ignorance or design, as is the msm.

355 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:38:43pm

re: #331 ArmyWife

Yes, but why do we care so much about what the left thinks? They certainly aren't concerned with how we feel about them! Let's focus on what WE think, the left can come along or not, it really doesn't matter.

It only matters if you want to win elections and you can't do that with the shrinking base.

356 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:02pm

If Republicans were smart they would stop the petty bickereing and start showcasing real people - real people can make the case that Obama is a disaster.


Dr. Sharon Poczatek, who runs her own dental practice in Boulder, Colo., said that she too is trying to figure out ways to get out of paying the taxes proposed in Obama’s plan.

“I’ve put thought into how to get under $250,000,” said Poczatek. “It would mean working fewer days which means having fewer employees, seeing fewer patients and taking time off.”

Generally it means being less productive,” she said.

“The motivation for a lot of people like me – dentists, entrepreneurs, lawyers – is that the more you work the more money you make,” said Poczatek. “But if I’m going to be working just to give it back to the government — it’s de-motivating and demoralizing.”

Pretty much sums it up.

via insta

357 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:07pm

By 2012 I am pretty sure we can run the Shamwow guy and have a fair chance of winning.

358 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:09pm
359 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:12pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

We're hearing some tough talk because they know the "hostages" are getting restless.

Thou rocketh. Good to see you tonight! :-)

360 Afrocity  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:41pm

re: #353 Nevergiveup

Then he should become friends with us here and complete the transformation

I agree. I knew there was hope for Juan. How can anyone work for Fox and not see things differently? Unless you are Alan Colmes or that ditz Kirsten Powers.

361 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:50pm

re: #357 unclassifiable

By 2012 I am pretty sure we can run the Shamwow guy and have a fair chance of winning.

I love that guy.

362 Buster Bunny  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:40:16pm

re: #355 avanti

It only matters if you want to win elections and you can't do that with the shrinking base.

If Obama's election was penile and he's dealing with a shrinking base of supporters .. even Viagra wont get him across the line in two years .. let alone four.

363 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:40:51pm

re: #361 bellamags

I love that guy.

you're gonna love his nuts

364 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:40:55pm

re: #360 Afrocity

I agree. I knew there was hope for Juan. How can anyone work for Fox and not see things differently? Unless you are Alan Colmes or that ditz Kirsten Powers.

GAG. she is clue by four worthy.

365 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:41:18pm

re: #351 Bloodnok

We won't get the far left. Ever. If we could, McCain would have been our guy. Instead, we need to focus on protecting and defending the Constitution, and not spending like drunken sailors. With that, we will get our base, and those in the center. The loons can vote for Kucinich. Oh, and we can give them all the Ron Paulians, too. As a parting gift.

366 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:41:19pm

re: #363 albusteve

you're gonna love his nuts

LOL. wtf are you talking about?

367 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:41:43pm

re: #355 avanti

The "shrinking base" is about to be joined by millions of Americans who counted on their "tax-cut calculators" to figure out how much new money they'd get under Obama. When those windfalls turn into bills, as they inevitably must, then the new "base" will be slapping Romney stickers over their Pepsi logos. Count on it.

368 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:41:46pm

re: #336 Soona'

I think that leaves like 5 people...but I guess it would be a fresh start.

369 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:07pm

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

I would suggest that people thrashing around for a new leader are making a mistake. "Great white hopes" never work out.

The current lack of some kind of standard-bearer is a gift, to the extent people can spend their energies not on looking for a guy on horseback, but trying to look at and support/encourage the local talent that will be necessary to build an alternative from the ground up.

Rush said it today (am I allowed to quote Rush?)

Paraphrase from memory
We don't need a leader. We the people need to tell the RNC what we want, we need to tell all the elected (R)s want we want, and if they don't perform. Toss them.

370 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:12pm

BBL

371 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:34pm

re: #355 avanti

It only matters if you want to win elections and you can't do that with the shrinking base.

If we quit trying to be all things to all people and stick to true conservatism then the base might grow instead of shrink.

/Are you saying we can't win elections unless we care about what the left thinks?)

372 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:36pm

re: #366 bellamags

LOL. wtf are you talking about?

he does a food chopper thing too....and that's what he says

373 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:43pm

re: #349 jcm

Once it starts, it won't end.

What's the alternative? OK, there could be state funding. But the other alternative would be to close down clinics. That would result in astronomical catastrophic emergency care for many citizens. The budget of course could be seen as a balancing act in this matter. 155 million can be made up by reducing or ending foreign aid to most countries. We send 100 million to singles nations yearly. While that could be seen as a humanitarian issue I think that American citizens should be first in line for humanitarian aid.

Of course they won't reduce or stop foreign aid or other wasteful or non-American related projects. That's the crux of the problem with Democrats in which they want to have it all taking things to a utopian extreme. In this case health clinics in America should have priority over international aid.

374 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:52pm

re: #366 bellamags

He says that in the commercial. Someone cue the tape!

375 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:42:58pm

re: #351 Bloodnok

I believe it matters because we are after 5-10 percentage points worth of people who voted for Obama in the last election (more if we can get it).

No we're not. We're focusing on getting all the repubs who didn't vote this last time because we, for all practical purposes, fielded a left leaning/democrat appeasing moderate.

376 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:43:22pm

re: #346 Nevergiveup

France: We'll quit UN conference if anti-Israel remarks made
Published: 03.03.09, 00:34 / Israel News
French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said his country would not hesitate to withdraw from the UN's anti-racism conference, scheduled to be held in April in Geneva, should any remarks be made against Israel or Jews. (AFP)

He has got to fuckin kidding? Nobody can be that stupid?

Meanwhile, the 0bamanation administration is staying on as observers.
And they're re-joining the (lack of) Human Rights Council.

Who'd have thunk it? The French administration less anti-Semitic than the American one.

377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:43:46pm

re: #361 bellamags

Could you please explain your nic? If I'm not being too nosy.

378 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:43:48pm

re: #361 bellamags

Billy Mays would kick his ass. Kaboom baby!

379 Buster Bunny  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:43:59pm

re: #376 Kosh's Shadow

Meanwhile, the 0bamanation administration is staying on as observers.
And they're re-joining the (lack of) Human Rights Council.

Who'd have thunk it? The French administration less anti-Semitic than the American one.

I dont think about the French ..

No. Really.

380 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:44:23pm

re: #350 Buster Bunny

They can have a cast of good quality stars in this movie.

Paul Newman, Michael Hutchence, Heath Ledger, Mahatma Ghandi, Benazir Bhutto, John F Kennedy and of course Marilyn Monroe.

Yes they are all dead, but he needs someone to make him look good.

That's OK; they can do great things with technology nowadays.
Besides, the all vote in Chicago elections.

381 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:44:24pm

What a crappy day. Thank God I have Jack Bauer to make me feel better with a little bit of old school coercion.

382 Arby Dwiar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:44:26pm

re: #111 LemonJoose

OT:

I just had to say how glad I am that Michael Steele stood up to Rush Limbaugh. I agree with Rush on a lot of things, but I really disagree with the way he is trying to draw some fictional line in the sand to claim "conservative" ground only for himself and those who agree with him on every single issue. His cheap shot about John McCain "not being a conservative nominee" as the reason the Republicans lost the election was also dishonest and a declaration of civil war within the Republican party. Rush wants to distract people from the fact that he himself contributed to John McCain's defeat by undermining him during the primaries and then giving him only tepid support after he won the nomination. John McCain has been a better fiscal conservative than many Republicans that Rush has supported over the years, such as George W. Bush.

There really is no disagreement among conservatives over major issues such as keeping government spending down, lowering taxes to create economic growth, and maintaining a strong national defense. Rush is attempting to define Christian right views on social issues as necessary in order to be a "true" conservative. However, if William F. Buckley were alive today, he would take great issue with Rush on this. True conservatism is to keep the government out of one's private business such as whether or not you choose to own a gun, whether or not you choose to continue your pregnancy, whom one chooses to marry, whether or not you choose to drink alcohol, and whether or not you choose to smoke marijuana. The Christian right view on social issues is a Big Brother government view on social issues.

But more importantly, the Republican party needs to make room for both libertarian and Christian right views on social issues, avoid a civil war within its ranks over these issues, and try to concentrate on the issues where conservatives all agree, such as fiscal responsibility and maintaining a strong national defense.

Unfortunately, if there's a civil war coming in the Republican party, you can blame Rush for trying to appoint himself as the final arbiter of what conservatism is.

OK - I get it - saw this post a few times.

Thanks. Will take it under advisement.

...

383 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:45:04pm
384 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:45:24pm

I still don't understand why everyone thinks Mr. Teleprompter is such a genius orator.

385 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:45:25pm

re: #372 albusteve

re: #374 ArmyWife

386 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:45:32pm

re: #378 lawhawk

Billy Mays would kick his ass. Kaboom baby!

Billy Mays has lost a step...it would be close...ShamWow guy has pointed hair too

387 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:45:43pm

re: #357 unclassifiable

By 2012 I am pretty sure we can run the Shamwow guy and have a fair chance of winning.

The stuff he sells works better than the stuff the 0bama administration is pushing. If the ShamWow worked the same as the administration, it would make what you were trying to dry even wetter.

388 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:03pm

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Could you please explain your nic? If I'm not being too nosy.

Its a combo of the names of the two dogs I had at the time, Bella and Maggie

389 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:08pm

Morely Saffer mentions corruption - but not any of the massive corruption taking place on the Democrat side. (gee - I wonder why?)

390 Buster Bunny  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:08pm

re: #384 FrogMarch

I still don't understand why everyone thinks Mr. Teleprompter is such a genius orator.

What .. you dont get an orgasm when he speaks? Apparently CNN does.

391 Gordon Marock  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:11pm

McCain was a pathetic loser. Furthermore, if Jindal is the future of the Republican party, count me the fuck out.

392 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:34pm

re: #384 FrogMarch

I still don't understand why everyone thinks Mr. Teleprompter is such a genius orator.

uh-um-mmmm-uh-uh-mm-yes-mmmm-uh. It's simple.

393 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:38pm

re: #362 Buster Bunny

If Obama's election was penile and he's dealing with a shrinking base of supporters .. even Viagra wont get him across the line in two years .. let alone four.

Ok, if you really believe that, it will be a cake walk. Just relax, pick anyone you like and it's a slam dunk. Just remember, many of you are still confused as to why BO won and is still popular, so you might want to prepare for the unexpected.

394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:44pm

re: #388 bellamags

Thanks. Always wondered. Don't see you around so much anymore.

395 capitalist piglet  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:49pm

I heard on the radio today (on Rush or Michael Medved's program) that the one department whose budget Obama has proposed to gradually decrease is...guess what, guys.

The Department of Homeland Security.

396 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:53pm

Morely Saffer is a DNC hack.

397 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:46:59pm

re: #391 Gordon Marock

McCain was a pathetic loser. Furthermore, if Jindal is the future of the Republican party, count me the fuck out.

Jindal has no chance. We need a Reaganite.

398 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:47:37pm

re: #384 FrogMarch

Because we said he was. Do not question this again or there will be regrettable consequences.

/

399 Arby Dwiar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:47:40pm

re: #159 Sharmuta

I think Newt is out of his mind.

No - he just needed a lint brush for the interview...

400 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:47:41pm

re: #375 Soona'

When the GOP pisses off fiscal conservatives, fisc-cons stay home or vote 3rd party. It is a fisc-con who can get us in the WH, fisc-cons who can recapture Congress, fisc-cons who will have a willing audience willing to listen to a positive fiscal policy that will end this crisis and start America's recovery. And it is fisc-cons who will appeal to the middle electorate we DO need to win. Poo-poo the "undecideds" if you want, but they're needed on election night. No campaign would tell you otherwise.

401 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:47:48pm

I'm outta here, folks.

402 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:00pm

re: #394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks. Always wondered. Don't see you around so much anymore.

Its busy season at the salon. No time in the morning anymore to have fun on lgf.

403 Gordon Marock  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:04pm

re: #397 NYCHardhat

Jindal has no chance. We need a Reaganite.

I'll second that!

404 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:04pm

re: #373 Gus 802

What's the alternative? OK, there could be state funding. But the other alternative would be to close down clinics. That would result in astronomical catastrophic emergency care for many citizens. The budget of course could be seen as a balancing act in this matter. 155 million can be made up by reducing or ending foreign aid to most countries. We send 100 million to singles nations yearly. While that could be seen as a humanitarian issue I think that American citizens should be first in line for humanitarian aid.

Of course they won't reduce or stop foreign aid or other wasteful or non-American related projects. That's the crux of the problem with Democrats in which they want to have it all taking things to a utopian extreme. In this case health clinics in America should have priority over international aid.

The alternative is not not government health care. See re: #356 FrogMarch. There is a lot to been done to dial back health care costs, taxes, regulations, tort reform, etc...

Once a government run clinic opens, it won't be but a few years and we'll make Britain's health care look good.

405 UberInfidel67  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:09pm

re: #388 bellamagsAwww how sweet is that. Now if I can only combine the names of my cats, Angel, Buffy and Foodstamp...what kind of nic could I come up with?

406 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:16pm

re: #401 Soona'

ciao!

407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:25pm

re: #401 Soona'

Me too. Gonna lurk fer a minute then crash. I'm tarred.

408 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:41pm

re: #405 UberInfidel67

abuffstamp

409 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:43pm

re: #383 buzzsawmonkey

Ha! I may be less corpulent, less well-known, and infinitely less solvent than Rush Limbaugh, but I agree with him.

OTOH, to my delight you are a linguistically lucid lizard.

410 Buster Bunny  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:52pm

re: #393 avanti

Ok, if you really believe that, it will be a cake walk. Just relax, pick anyone you like and it's a slam dunk. Just remember, many of you are still confused as to why BO won and is still popular, so you might want to prepare for the unexpected.

I'm not confused as to why he won. Democrats were pissed at more of the same and not getting someone in, so they took a real different approach. They changed the game. Republicans didnt catch on to that and they are still playing the old game. Its a new era in politics after Obama and the game has changed.

411 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:48:57pm

re: #384 FrogMarch

I still don't understand why everyone thinks Mr. Teleprompter is such a genius orator.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King.

/i.e., most of his adulants cannot read

412 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:49:07pm

re: #365 ArmyWife

We won't get the far left. Ever. If we could, McCain would have been our guy. Instead, we need to focus on protecting and defending the Constitution, and not spending like drunken sailors. With that, we will get our base, and those in the center. The loons can vote for Kucinich. Oh, and we can give them all the Ron Paulians, too. As a parting gift.

I agree with everything except the first sentence. I didn't suggest we get the far left. Just 5-10 in the middle. That's all it takes. And IMO we're only a few outdated and unpopular SoCon ideas away from doing that (ideas which happen to run against the whole "defend the Constitution" thing, like Creationism and anti-Gay marriage amendments).

413 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:49:22pm
414 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:49:28pm

re: #397 NYCHardhat

hi there cutie pie.

415 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:49:55pm
416 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:50:02pm

re: #414 bellamags

hi there cutie pie.

There she is.

417 lobo91  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:50:03pm

re: #395 capitalist piglet

I heard on the radio today (on Rush or Michael Medved's program) that the one department whose budget Obama has proposed to gradually decrease is...guess what, guys.

The Department of Homeland Security.

That's not the only one. He's also planning to cut defense spending.

418 UberInfidel67  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:50:11pm

re: #408 ArmyWife
ROFLMAO****** Now when I have to yell at them all at once, it will be Abuffstamp! lol

419 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:50:23pm

Gotta run......

420 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:50:55pm

re: #416 NYCHardhat

How are you doing?

421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:50:57pm

re: #416 NYCHardhat

Bellamags is a *gasp* she?

422 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:51:00pm

re: #375 Soona'

No we're not. We're focusing on getting all the repubs who didn't vote this last time because we, for all practical purposes, fielded a left leaning/democrat appeasing moderate.

Keep telling yourself that.

423 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:51:36pm

re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bellamags is a *gasp* she?

you thought i was a guy?

424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:02pm

re: #423 bellamags

/

425 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:03pm

OT: I just saved this story to mht since i'm not sure when, if ever, I'll see anything like it again:

Clinton doubtful Iran will respond to US diplomacy

Sounds like a wise doubt to have, yet she won't confirm she said it, and it starts to go down the memory-hole:

Clinton reiterates desire to engage with Iran
(Original link title: Clinton doubts Iran will respond to US overtures)

""As President (Barack) Obama says, we are willing to extend a hand if the other side unclenches its fist in order to have some process of engagement but it will only be done in close consultation with our friends," she said at a press conference after an international donor conference on aid to Gaza.
Clinton however, declined to elaborate on remarks by a US official who quoted her as saying that she doubted Iran would respond to overtures by Obama."

426 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:03pm

re: #417 lobo91

That's not the only one. He's also planning to cut defense spending.

Yeah I found it funny that the MSM reported that he will increase defense 2.9%. Well, that is the raise to the military pay that is by law, he will cut spending on the important things like, you know, weapons/defense.

427 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:13pm

Is there a Republican that anyone here actually likes? Just curious.

Anyone have anything against congressman Jeff Flake from AZ? You want fiscally conservative, he's the man.

How about Pete Hoekstra of MI? I'd vote for him 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

How about Mark Souder from IN?

I'm interested in your opinions. Seriously.

428 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:30pm

re: #10 Cognito

"A pat on the head, and off you go, Bobby.

Loved you in Slumdog."

Great line, Cog, and with the biggest split I've even seem here (as of this post). 7 seven updings, 7 downdings. I liked it though.

429 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:33pm

re: #424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

/

whew. I just checked to see if i grew an adam's apple.

430 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:52:55pm

re: #420 bellamags

How are you doing?

To tell you the truth, punch-drunk from Obama.

431 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:11pm

OT :
From a Dutch interview Filip De Winter gave on his new book:

Is his book Filip Dewinter aims not at Muslims, but at Islam as an ideology. "The moderate Muslims are many but they are not relevant. The radical Muslims who have the mosques in their power are," he said tonight on Terzake (Canvas). He also spoke on Nieuws of VTM.

Dewinter wants to cut off the Muslims by pursuing a strict policy concerning antenna dishes, internet and other digital communications. The Flemish and local governments should conduct a stricter study of mosques for recognition and subsidies. They must be subjected to permanent security supervision. The buildings that Islam is expanding in Flanders and Europe should be cut back.

Filip Dewinter wrote his book under his own name, but had his party administration read it. It seems that the points of view correspond to a large degree with those of Vlaams Belang. Dewinter thinks that the debate about Islam should be conducted during the upcoming elections campaign.

432 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:16pm

re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bellamags is a *gasp* she?

She is gorgeous too.

433 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:22pm
434 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:24pm

re: #427 CommonCents

Is there a Republican that anyone here actually likes? Just curious.

Anyone have anything against congressman Jeff Flake from AZ? You want fiscally conservative, he's the man.

How about Pete Hoekstra of MI? I'd vote for him 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

How about Mark Souder from IN?

I'm interested in your opinions. Seriously.

all smoke and no fire here....

435 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:32pm

re: #430 NYCHardhat

To tell you the truth, punch-drunk from Obama.

I understand. The idiocy is overwhelming. I just walk around in a daze.

436 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:40pm

re: #400 Sharmuta

Furthermore- name a republican who won't vote for a staunch fisc-con this next Presidential election? Not likely to happen after 4 years of this socialist BS.

The fisc-cons need to step up for 2010- they'll help pave the way for 2012.

437 jim in virginia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:53:55pm

re: #397 NYCHardhat An honest question- not picking a fight. Define a Reaganite, either as a person or as an approach to politics and governing.

I agree, Jindal isn't the solution. I'm not sure who or what is.

438 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:54:02pm

re: #432 NYCHardhat

oh my word (blush)

439 Arby Dwiar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:54:06pm

re: #427 CommonCents

Is there a Republican that anyone here actually likes? Just curious.

Anyone have anything against congressman Jeff Flake from AZ? You want fiscally conservative, he's the man.

How about Pete Hoekstra of MI? I'd vote for him 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

How about Mark Souder from IN?

I'm interested in your opinions. Seriously.

See comment #17.

440 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:54:07pm

re: #427 CommonCents

I'm a big fan of Romney. He was my Governor and did his darndest to fight the tide of corruption/Leftism in MA. He didn't always succeed, but I'd trust that guy with my principles more than anyone else in the field.

441 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:54:41pm

re: #433 buzzsawmonkey

I've decided to grow coal plants on my windowsill.

I'm cultivating blame bushes in my greenhouse as we speak.

442 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:54:52pm

re: #412 Bloodnok

Because I am a SoCon, this is lost on me. I will a goner if we run a candidate that isn't willing to defend and protect the Constitution, which doesn't mean Creationism is now science, btw.

443 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:55:04pm

re: #427 CommonCents

There's lots of Republicans I like, I'm not willing to talk about any of them for president yet. Doing that draws focus from the 2010 elections, which are really more important.

444 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:55:10pm

re: #437 jim in virginia

An honest question- not picking a fight. Define a Reaganite, either as a person or as an approach to politics and governing.

I agree, Jindal isn't the solution. I'm not sure who or what is.

Fiscal conservative with a strong defense/military minded budget with a badass haircut.

445 stevieray  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:55:53pm

The Republican party had its best showing in 1994, when they drew up a conservative platform based on fiscal responsibility and smaller government. They recruited a bunch of fresh faces, DC outsiders, who actually believed in the promises of the platform, and ran on them.

Over time, they lost their way... DC has that seductive power. Watching billions of dollars flow through their hands was too much for them... they began believing in silly things, like "compassionate conservatism", and "conservative social welfare programs". Those things do not exist... government is a knife that only cuts to the left.

To regain power, they need to start over again with new, fresh faces... people from outside government, who will apply conservative principles when elected -- at least, for a while. Spend too much time in DC, and even the staunchest conservative will be seduced by the money, the power, the fantasy that government largesse can somehow be "conservative".

In short, liberalism is served by creating a DC based machine... conservatism only lives outside of Washington, and as such, will need to be renewed from the hinterlands every single generation. There will never be a DC conservative establishment.

446 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:55:56pm

re: #441 bellamags

I'm cultivating blame bushes in my greenhouse as we speak.

I'm going to just grow grass.

447 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:01pm

re: #381 CommonCents

What a crappy day. Thank God I have Jack Bauer to make me feel better with a little bit of old school coercion.

Agreed. Check out 24 tonight. It's very good.

448 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:28pm

re: #425 Gort

OT: I just saved this story to mht since i'm not sure when, if ever, I'll see anything like it again:

Clinton doubtful Iran will respond to US diplomacy

Sounds like a wise doubt to have, yet she won't confirm she said it, and it starts to go down the memory-hole:

Clinton reiterates desire to engage with Iran
(Original link title: Clinton doubts Iran will respond to US overtures)

""As President (Barack) Obama says, we are willing to extend a hand if the other side unclenches its fist in order to have some process of engagement but it will only be done in close consultation with our friends," she said at a press conference after an international donor conference on aid to Gaza.
Clinton however, declined to elaborate on remarks by a US official who quoted her as saying that she doubted Iran would respond to overtures by Obama."


Iran will respond once they have a nuke.
/I wish this were sarc.

449 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:32pm

re: #444 NYCHardhat

Fiscal conservative with a strong defense/military minded budget with a badass haircut.

You are right. Someone who is charismatic enough that the MSM will have a hard time making them look weak or inept.

450 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:39pm

Gulf TV in Hebrew seeks to educate Israelis on Islam

Leaders of the Support Prophet Mohammed Organization, based in the Gulf state Bahrain, stressed on Sunday the need to establish a TV channel in Hebrew to teach Israelis about Islam's values, the Dubai-based newspaper Gulf News reported.

The organization hopes that with the help of television, which they consider to be the most effective medium, and by using people familiar with Israeli society, they can present explanations about Islam to Jews and help them better appreciate the religion, the paper reported.

/I'm pretty sure that Israel gets all they need to know about Islam flying randomly out of Gaza in a daily basis

451 Buster Bunny  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:41pm

re: #437 jim in virginia

An honest question- not picking a fight. Define a Reaganite, either as a person or as an approach to politics and governing.

I agree, Jindal isn't the solution. I'm not sure who or what is.

A man who has acted with a monkey, governed a Democratic State, and laughed at the actual idea of becoming president.

452 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:56:50pm

re: #371 pink freud

If we quit trying to be all things to all people and stick to true conservatism then the base might grow instead of shrink.

/Are you saying we can't win elections unless we care about what the left thinks?)

Well, yes. You've become the party of older white folks, and that demographic is shrinking. Most of the voters are moderates on gay rights and Roe-Wade and being a Republican is no longer cool with the youth. Steele might move you in the right direction though, but BO has become the rock star you need to beat.

453 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:57:04pm

re: #449 bellamags

You are right. Someone who is charismatic enough that the MSM will have a hard time making them look weak or inept.

Thats where the hair comes in.

454 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:57:23pm

re: #413 Iron Fist

That does pretty well sum things up. Me, I'd like to have that problem, though. So would a lot of people. Which is, of course, what makes taxing the "wealthy" appealing. Of course, by "wealthy" the Democrats never mean the truly wealthy trust-fund gazillionairs like, I dunno, Ted Kennedy or John Kerry. They really mean the upper middle class. There goal is to keep them from becoming truly wealthy, because then their children would be able to compete with the Democrats living off of Daddy's (or Grandpappy's) hard work, dangerous trades, or risk of going to Prison (or all of the above).

That could never be allowed to happen. Thus the desire to tax these people out of existance.

yes - and the democrats never think about the dental assistant, who makes considerably less per year, who will soon be out of a job.
Of course according to KOS fascists - the dentist is "greedy".
How dare she want to work hard and keep what she earns.
and never mind that the dentist already pays high taxes.
Payroll tax, income tax, property tax, various sales tax, etc... etc...
The democrats live and breathe to hike taxes, and as such, they are going to kill-off regular every-day business - the heart and soul of this nation.

The democrats do not believe in trickle down. Which is just like not believing in gravity.

455 Gordon Marock  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:58:01pm

re: #451 Buster Bunny

A man who has acted with a monkey, governed a Democratic State, and laughed at the actual idea of becoming president.

A man who has acted with a monkey and not had his face ripped off.

456 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:58:33pm

Remember this quote by Valerie Jarrett of Obama's transition team?

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Based on how he has spent his first 6 weeks as President, it sure looks like he wants to "rule" instead of "govern." I hope the Repubs are ready to "cue up" this bite when things start to collapse.

457 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:58:37pm

re: #455 Gordon Marock

A man who has acted with a monkey and not had his face ripped off.

Bonzo was an ape!

458 UberInfidel67  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:58:54pm

re: #452 avanti
It may seem that way OVERALL, but rest assured, there are pockets of young conservatives who know what the deal is. I have seen and talked with many of them myself. Just don't be suprised........

459 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:59:05pm

re: #417 lobo91

He's also planning to cut defense spending.

/just keeping his campaign promises, it's not like this is a surprise

460 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:59:19pm

re: #445 stevieray

Exactly, if we want to stop the O we better concentrate on congress first. That takes a platform and initiatives that Americans will buy into, like Newt's contract.

461 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:59:52pm

re: #453 NYCHardhat

Thats where the hair comes in.

who can it be? it needs to be someone already in the public eye, someone vetted and able to withstand and rise above all the MFMSM BS.

462 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:00:41pm

re: #445 stevieray

It's another reason I've been asking Lizards to get involved locally. It's a grass roots issue. We can't sit and home and think others will fight for our principles- we have to do it ourselves. More involvement means a larger pool of talent.

463 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:01:23pm

Jack Bauer's best line ever (delivered to Kurtwood Smith's pompous Senator): "And you sir are weak! Unable and unwilling to look evil in the eye and deal with it!" Sadly, that describes the majority of the Senate, of both parties.

464 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:01:35pm

IMHO

OK

IMRHO

The GOP has allowed themselves to get distracted on some petty and destructive tangents. Part of this is self inflicted. Part of this is allowing the left to define us.

First and foremost we have to understand that everything we stand for is based on the frailty fo the human character. Liberals would have you believe that humans can be perfected. That given enough training, indoctrination, guidance, education, self-reflection, etc. that it is possible to build perfect human being and, ergo, a perfect society. The first and foremost thing we as conservatives need to point out is how much fallacy there is in this belief.

Now the left is going to say that we have constructed a straw man but how else does one explain their continual insistence on the concentration of power and collectivism. Inevitably there has to be a belief that the people to which power is concentrated, by there education, upbringing, titles, or whatever are infallible.

The next fall back position of the left will be to say, well they are not infallible -- mistakes will be made...

Well if that is the case then why do we want those mistakes to impact everyone. If the government owns banking through nationalization, one mistake in a governing board sinks all banking. Same with health care. Same with the auto industry.

What we need to get back to is the idea that humans are fallible, and , therefore, it is best, in as many ways as possible to allow a plurality of approaches. This is best afforded by, free market capitalism, a pluralistic democratic republic, and the assurance of inalienable rights as delineated in the Constitution -- especially the Bill of Rights.

Our aim should not be to return to a past status simply because it agrees with the conditions at the founding or some past period of timed deemed desirable. Our aim should be to use our collective liberty to deal with the here and now and the future.

465 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:01:51pm

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Check out 24 tonight. It's very good.

Roger that. I'm an EST'er so I'm watching now. His confrontation with the Senator was classic.

466 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:02:29pm

I never thought I'd ever have to rely on Pelosi and Reid to cut up Obama's credit cards.

/cap and trade, if implemented, will be the death knell of our economy and our express ticket to Third World status

467 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:02:40pm

re: #415 buzzsawmonkey

Because when he's in the groove he can make empty blather sound like it means something, and make people believe that they are not going to get reamed by his policies.

and he uses semantic gymnastics like no other. Me - I can smell the BS a mile away.

468 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:03:13pm

Jindal's on Larry KIng Live right now.

469 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:03:45pm

re: #462 Sharmuta

It's another reason I've been asking Lizards to get involved locally. It's a grass roots issue. We can't sit and home and think others will fight for our principles- we have to do it ourselves. More involvement means a larger pool of talent.

I recently made contact with someone I haven't seen in 20 years. We agreed faces need to be seen and voices need to be heard. We are thinking about organizing something with others in the area. Don't know how we will make a difference, but its a start.

470 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:03:57pm
471 Syrah  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:04:02pm

re: #352 Killian Bundy

/I watch the show and it's getting hard to watch, he's totally turned on everything Obama

I guess I am glad I have missed them then.

Obama is the worst thing to happen to the markets since . . . ever.

472 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:04:21pm

re: #469 bellamags

Just join your local party.

473 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:04:32pm

re: #450 Killian Bundy

Gulf TV in Hebrew seeks to educate Israelis on Islam


/I'm pretty sure that Israel gets all they need to know about Islam flying randomly out of Gaza in a daily basis

Deleted, deleted, deleted deleted deleted deleted. Deleted.

OMG. LOL. SOB.

I'm sorry. I have put up with years of 'learning about Islam'--thanks, I actually know a fair bit--but trying to pull this CRAP on Israelis is just too &****ing stupid for words.

Screeeaaaaaaam.

OK. Better now.

474 jaunte  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:04:35pm

The markets don't like a liar in charge.

475 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:04:44pm

re: #466 Killian Bundy

I never thought I'd ever have to rely on Pelosi and Reid to cut up Obama's credit cards.

/cap and trade, if implemented, will be the death knell of our economy and our express ticket to Third World status

That's a one-way ticket to sand huts and camel wagons. I must say, I've always wondered what it would be like to ride a rickshaw to work in the winter time.

476 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:04:46pm

re: #462 Sharmuta

It's another reason I've been asking Lizards to get involved locally. It's a grass roots issue. We can't sit and home and think others will fight for our principles- we have to do it ourselves. More involvement means a larger pool of talent.

I have Loppyd on my side helping me get involved in the NH GOP. I am looking forward to it.

477 UberInfidel67  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:05:16pm

From my inbox:

Sex In The Shower?

In a recent survey carried out for leading toiletries firm 'Brut', people from Chicago have proved to be the most likely to have had sex in the shower!

In the survey, 86% of Chicago's elite residents, and government officials (almost all of whom are registered Democrats) said that they have enjoyed sex in the shower.

The other 14% said they hadn't been to prison yet.

478 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:05:25pm

Join Michael Steele's RNC Grassroots here

479 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:05:33pm

blood sugar just dropped - must find food. bbl

480 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:05:40pm

re: #466 Killian Bundy

I never thought I'd ever have to rely on Pelosi and Reid to cut up Obama's credit cards.

/cap and trade, if implemented, will be the death knell of our economy and our express ticket to Third World status

look for brown outs and black outs and electric bills that will be difficult to pay even if the juice is on.

481 ciaospirit  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:06:07pm

This breaks my heart. I can't imagine how frightening it would be to have the full force and power of the U.S. Government against you. I hope the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund can help her (and others). I guess the only people who get out after serving about half their sentence are terrorists like Khalid Al-Jawary..

Stephanie Mohr was serving her community as a county police officer for over nine years. In 1995, she received a call about two illegal aliens, Ricardo Mendez and Herrera Cruz, who were burglary suspects. While she was trying to apprehend the two, Mendez began to flee the scene. Following police guidelines and procedure, Mohr released her police dog and it grabbed Mendez on the leg and held him. Five years after the incident she was convicted of a federal civil rights violation. Stephanie Mohr is now serving her sixth year of a ten-year sentence in prison with her now seven-year-old son waiting at home. In order to protect her community, Stephanie Mohr took standard police measures to prevent an escape. LELDF is currently funding Stephanie’s legal costs. Stephanie had to endure two trials when the first trial ended with an 11-1 vote for acquittal. The aggressive Civil Rights Division of the U. S. Department of Justice decided to pursue a second trial. Following a denial of a new trial we are appealing to the U. S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

482 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:06:16pm

re: #410 Buster Bunny

I'm not confused as to why he won. Democrats were pissed at more of the same and not getting someone in, so they took a real different approach. They changed the game. Republicans didnt catch on to that and they are still playing the old game. Its a new era in politics after Obama and the game has changed.

Yep, and he's still campaigning, playing the MSN like a violin, building a massive internet presence, even conservatives now visit the cool, new White House web site. He's on TV everyday, still working it with his "coolness'' Love him or hate him, he knows the game

483 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:06:46pm
484 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:07:05pm

re: #466 Killian Bundy

I never thought I'd ever have to rely on Pelosi and Reid to cut up Obama's credit cards.

/cap and trade, if implemented, will be the death knell of our economy and our express ticket to Third World status

I finally got around to googling "cap and trade" and this is what I found.

485 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:07:13pm

re: #450 Killian Bundy

Gulf TV in Hebrew seeks to educate Israelis on Islam

/I'm pretty sure that Israel gets all they need to know about Islam flying randomly out of Gaza in a daily basis

Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

486 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:08:16pm

re: #461 bellamags

who can it be? it needs to be someone already in the public eye, someone vetted and able to withstand and rise above all the MFMSM BS.

I would have to say our best hope is Romney. But I think the leveling out of Congress needs to come first naturally.

487 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:08:27pm

re: #462 Sharmuta

I am trying but the damn GOP in my area is practically making themselves inaccessible. I have to say that a lot of the old-timers were at one time Democrats (Texas like most places in the South were considered Democratic Dixiecrat strongholds).

It really speaks to the fact that at the top levels of the party there is no philosophy other than machinations to aggregate power.

It's insane especially when at this point the other party won simply by not being the GOP.

488 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:08:41pm

re: #485 Alouette

Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

Multiple updings.
However, the UN considers this point of view a hate crime.
I say frak the UN.

489 Buster Bunny  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:08:58pm

re: #485 Alouette

Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11

Dont kid yourself that its a once-off. Once these dudes have nukes .. they will have no hesitation to use them to threaten people and cower them into the 'peace' corridor.

490 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:09:15pm

re: #472 Sharmuta

Just join your local party.

We will, but we are a young group and have lived in this town for years. Most of us are small business owners and we have can have an impact networking and talking to others our age (30-40). There are many in our age group that don't care about politics or aren't aware of the danger of a socialistic society. We are thinking unconventional terms. Parties, concerts (some are well-known musicians) etc. We have to think YOUNG and I met the local Rep. party members during the election and they are a much older demographic.

491 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:09:41pm

re: #459 Killian Bundy

[Video]/just keeping his campaign promises, it's not like this is a surprise

4% increase this year. Military pay increases, more troops, some good stuff.

492 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:01pm

re: #488 Kosh's Shadow

Multiple updings.
However, the UN considers this point of view a hate crime.
I say frak the UN.

The UN considers my continued life, and the continued lives of my children and grandchildren, a "crime against humanity."

The UN can bite Obama's butt. (I'm sure he will enjoy it)

493 jim in virginia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:03pm

As I recall, in 1978 Gingrich and several other conservatives developed an agenda they called the Conservative Opportunity Society. A number oif non incumbent Republcians ran on the issues. It was an attemp to nationalize the Congressional elections. Some won; some came close and then won in the Reagan landslide in 1980.
Gingrich did the same thing in 1994: the Contract with America was a national party platform that most Republicans ran on. It worked. The Democrats were corrupt and out of ideas. We need the same thing for 2010. Limited spending, ends to earmarks, tax cuts, strong national defense- and soem big, inovative, creativ eideas. Fair tax, perhaps.
Armywife, not to put you on the spot, but as a SoCon, would you vote for someone like Giuliani for President, against Obama?
SoCon issues arent a big deal for me- but I'd vote for a SoCon who was right on the issues that do matter to me.

494 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:30pm

re: #462 Sharmuta

It's another reason I've been asking Lizards to get involved locally. It's a grass roots issue. We can't sit and home and think others will fight for our principles- we have to do it ourselves. More involvement means a larger pool of talent.

How do you get involved locally if the GOP is insular? I tried to get involved in the campaign last fall but, they didn't want outside help! It was very frustrating!

495 Steffan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:40pm

I found some quotes that the Obamanauts should heed, if they were into studying history:

Don’t join the book burners. Don’t think you’re going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don’t be afraid to go in your library and read every book…

A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.

Don’t think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed.

There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure.

Though force can protect in emergency, only justice, fairness, consideration and co-operation can finally lead men to the dawn of eternal peace.

All of those quotes come from one person: Dwight D. Eisenhower.

496 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:40pm

re: #491 avanti

4% increase this year. Military pay increases, more troops, some good stuff.

Did Obama hire some more C students?

/John Kerry

497 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:52pm

re: #486 NYCHardhat

I would have to say our best hope is Romney. But I think the leveling out of Congress needs to come first naturally.

I voted for Romney, but the MSM will hammer him on the Mormonism. I think it's ridiculous, but also a lot of hard core Baptists will not vote for him.

498 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:10:56pm

re: #452 avanti

Well, yes. You've become the party of older white folks, and that demographic is shrinking. Most of the voters are moderates on gay rights and Roe-Wade and being a Republican is no longer cool with the youth. Steele might move you in the right direction though, but BO has become the rock star you need to beat.

Older white folks? Tell that to my 19 year old son and his friends, and the guys and gals in the military. They are the face of new conservatism, the ones who have critical thinking skills and see handily through Obama's bullshit.

Your contention that most of the voters are moderates on gay rights is near-single-handedly belied by the Prop-8 scenario in California, a predominantly liberal voting population. Besides, imo, social conservatism isn't the name of the game as much as fiscal conservatism is. Younger folks just starting out - marriage, family, new career - care a whole lot more about their pocketbook than they do about whether Johnny and Timmy are married or not.

As far as Obama being a "rock star", if you equate that with the rap punks, you have my agreement.

"Republicanism" may not be cool with the youth, but conservatism grows mighty appealing once you leave mommy's basement and have to support yourself and your family. Don't be so quick to write off the "youth" of America ....many of them come from families like mine and many lizards here. They know propaganda and bullshit when they see it ....and moreover, they are beginning to find their voices.

499 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:11:01pm

re: #487 unclassifiable

Let me add that I am getting together with the disaffected conservatives. We hope to start making a few rumblings.

500 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:11:03pm

I said it upthread- I'll say it again. I compelled a liberal to listen to my fiscally conservative message tonight, and she was receptive. This is where the party's focus should be. Social issues need to take a secondary role, but I think we can all agree that we need fiscal solutions to the crisis. It's a message that should get all conservatives aboard except perhaps the RINOs (? whatever those are) and it would allow non-republicans something to latch onto, to give us the electoral victories we feel our party is worth. We will ruin this opportunity with a strong social conservative pushing pseudo-science. I would go so far as to say this financial crisis is a blessing in disguise if it can make the GOP the fiscally responsible party of Goldwater again.

501 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:11:07pm

re: #482 avanti

That's the same game that got Clinton impeached, Blago arrested and Edwards booted off the stage.
Somewhere there has to be substance and positive results. Obama is bereft of the first and opposed to the second.

502 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:11:21pm

re: #490 bellamags

We will, but we are a young group and have lived in this town for years. Most of us are small business owners and we have can have an impact networking and talking to others our age (30-40). There are many in our age group that don't care about politics or aren't aware of the danger of a socialistic society. We are thinking unconventional terms. Parties, concerts (some are well-known musicians) etc. We have to think YOUNG and I met the local Rep. party members during the election and they are a much older demographic.

I am hoping the YOUNG people that I am in contact with will get off their asses and join the conservative nation once they have a hard time achieving the American dream that has been given away to freeloaders by the Messiah.

503 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:11:51pm
504 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:12:10pm

re: #494 MandyManners

How do you get involved locally if the GOP is insular? I tried to get involved in the campaign last fall but, they didn't want outside help! It was very frustrating!

Really? Wow.

505 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:12:14pm

re: #493 jim in virginia

I've always liked the idea of another Contract.

506 jaunte  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:12:15pm

re: #497 bellamags

I voted for Romney, but the MSM will hammer him on the Mormonism. I think it's ridiculous, but also a lot of hard core Baptists will not vote for him.

I don't understand anti-Mormon prejudice from conservatives.

507 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:13:04pm

re: #500 Sharmuta

I said it upthread- I'll say it again. I compelled a liberal to listen to my fiscally conservative message tonight.

Sounds a bit like an exorcism. Careful!

/

508 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:13:33pm

re: #494 MandyManners

Wow! That is really disappointing. The party here is very welcoming with local campaigns, and the Maryland RNC. Maybe because we are such the underdogs?

509 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:13:36pm

re: #498 pink freud

Older white folks? Tell that to my 19 year old son and his friends, and the guys and gals in the military. They are the face of new conservatism, the ones who have critical thinking skills and see handily through Obama's bullshit.

Your contention that most of the voters are moderates on gay rights is near-single-handedly belied by the Prop-8 scenario in California, a predominantly liberal voting population. Besides, imo, social conservatism isn't the name of the game as much as fiscal conservatism is. Younger folks just starting out - marriage, family, new career - care a whole lot more about their pocketbook than they do about whether Johnny and Timmy are married or not.

As far as Obama being a "rock star", if you equate that with the rap punks, you have my agreement.

"Republicanism" may not be cool with the youth, but conservatism grows mighty appealing once you leave mommy's basement and have to support yourself and your family. Don't be so quick to write off the "youth" of America ....many of them come from families like mine and many lizards here. They know propaganda and bullshit when they see it ....and moreover, they are beginning to find their voices.

that needs to be repeated.
:D

510 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:13:39pm

re: #491 avanti

4% increase this year. Military pay increases, more troops, some good stuff.

The concern, however is supplying our forces. Obama is likely to cut program needed to provide them with their next generation of weapons. He's not at this point hollowing the military, but he is setting up a way in which it might become hollow. A lot of what we have will need to be replaced soon.

511 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:13:44pm

re: #506 jaunte

I don't understand anti-Mormon prejudice from conservatives.

I don't either. Its sickening.

512 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:14:15pm

re: #506 jaunte

I don't understand anti-Mormon prejudice from conservatives.

What is the source of the hard-core Baptist claim? I know a ton of Baptists that wanted to vote for Romney OVER Huckabee. Of course by Texas it was over ...

513 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:14:19pm

re: #482 avanti

Yep, and he's still campaigning, playing the MSN like a violin, building a massive internet presence, even conservatives now visit the cool, new White House web site. He's on TV everyday, still working it with his "coolness'' Love him or hate him, he knows the game

....and then there's reality, Cold, hard, can't hide from it, bite-you-in-the-ass reality. Reality cuts fluff.

514 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:14:20pm
515 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:14:23pm

I'm going to get an Oreo blizzard. bbl

516 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:14:24pm

re: #494 MandyManners

How do you get involved locally if the GOP is insular? I tried to get involved in the campaign last fall but, they didn't want outside help! It was very frustrating!

And that's just wrong! Call the state GOP and get the name of the chair of your precinct's party. Then call that person and find out when party meetings are held. Don't take no for an answer. They don't like it- tough shit.

517 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:14:46pm

re: #496 OldLineTexan

When I was in the Army, John Kerry was our joke (among a handful of New Englanders) whenever we got a splinter or banged our heads off something.
We'd call out "Three Purple Hearts, Zero scars!" whenever we saw each other almost getting hurt by being stupid.

518 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:15:17pm

re: #490 bellamags

Have you contacted the Young Republicans to get any advice on how to start a local chapter?

519 jim in virginia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:15:22pm

re: #451 Buster Bunny

A man who has acted with a monkey, governed a Democratic State, and laughed at the actual idea of becoming president.


That would work. Unfortunately he's dead. He couldn't serve a third term anyway.

520 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:15:59pm

Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...

[Link: www.970wfla.com...]

Fu*king Disgusting

521 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:16:20pm

re: #491 avanti

4% increase this year. Military pay increases, more troops, some good stuff.

Half the troops requested for Afghanistan and he's still only considering canceling the F-22 because of the 20K+ jobs involved, etc . . .

/are you seriously defending Obama and crew on U.S. defense policy?

522 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:16:22pm

re: #498 pink freud

Amen!

523 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:16:40pm

re: #518 Sharmuta

Have you contacted the Young Republicans to get any advice on how to start a local chapter?

Don't know if we want it to be so overt.

524 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:16:59pm

re: #498 pink freud

Brava! You tend to become conservative when you have something to conserve.

525 gymmom  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:17:12pm

re: #500 Sharmuta

I agree. I am part of a Catholic mom prayer group. They are VERY pro life to say the least. All were willing to vote for Guiliani because they understand the underlying principles. (And I talked the one undecided into voting against Obama. I wouldn't let her leave until I addressed all her issues.)

526 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:17:26pm

re: #520 _RememberTonyC

Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...

[Link: www.970wfla.com...]

Fu*king Disgusting

HOLY SH*T. NO FU*KING WAY.

527 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:17:59pm

re: #514 buzzsawmonkey

The Democrats are building the seeds of their own destruction; promises that can't be kept, safety that can't be maintained, and money that can't be paid back.

All that we have to do is articulate that, not as grumbling, but in terms of a brighter future, and the balance will tip.

does that mean my dog could get elected?

528 jaunte  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:01pm

re: #512 OldLineTexan

What is the source of the hard-core Baptist claim? I know a ton of Baptists that wanted to vote for Romney OVER Huckabee. Of course by Texas it was over ...

I don't have a source for that, but here's an article quoting some Pew polls:

A Pew Research Center poll this week found Huckabee’s supporters divided in their view of Romney, with 41 percent holding an unfavorable view.

“The guy ran as a conservative in a time of economic difficulty,” Wolfe said. “It’s really difficult to explain why he came in third in so many Southern states without making reference to his religion.”

Among some evangelicals, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is considered a fringe religion. Evangelicals have deep theological differences with the Mormon Church. Most don’t view the faith as Christian. And many still connect the religion with the polygamist lifestyle — despite a church ban on polygamy in 1890.

A nationwide Pew poll in August found that when asked to describe Mormonism in a word, respondents with negative opinions of the religion most often used the words “polygamy” and “cult.” The survey also found that although 53 percent of the public expresses a favorable opinion of Mormons, three in 10 Americans say they do not believe Mormons are Christians, and another 17 percent say they are unsure.


[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

529 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:13pm

re: #452 avanti

Well, yes. You've become the party of older white folks, and that demographic is shrinking. Most of the voters are moderates on gay rights and Roe-Wade and being a Republican is no longer cool with the youth. Steele might move you in the right direction though, but BO has become the rock star you need to beat.

They say Generals always fight the last war. That is why they get their butts kicked in the next one.

Rock stars are like meteors by the way, sudden brilliance that quickly fades.

530 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:18pm

re: #481 ciaospirit

This breaks my heart. I can't imagine how frightening it would be to have the full force and power of the U.S. Government against you. I hope the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund can help her (and others). I guess the only people who get out after serving about half their sentence are terrorists like Khalid Al-Jawary..

There may be more to this story than meets the eye. Although I would trust the police any day of the week over the DOJ.

531 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:22pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

The concern, however is supplying our forces. Obama is likely to cut program needed to provide them with their next generation of weapons. He's not at this point hollowing the military, but he is setting up a way in which it might become hollow. A lot of what we have will need to be replaced soon.

/um, you updang the original comment

532 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:29pm

re: #526 bellamags

HOLY SH*T. NO FU*KING WAY.

I read the article today, it's linked through RealClearPolitics.

533 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:39pm

re: #520 _RememberTonyC

Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...

[Link: www.970wfla.com...]

Fu*king Disgusting

FUCK NEWSWEEK.

534 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:18:59pm
535 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:19:02pm

suicidal boaters....often went out 50 miles to a wreck to fish

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

536 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:19:13pm

re: #520 _RememberTonyC

Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...

[Link: www.970wfla.com...]

Fu*king Disgusting

Well, that ruined my evening.

537 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:19:19pm

re: #526 bellamags

Does it have a link to the article? Does it call for accepting radical Islam in the text?

538 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:20:17pm

re: #487 unclassifiable

You do the same as Mandy- call and get contact info from the state party, it should be on record. If need be, write a letter of complaint to the State Chair. The party should not be keeping interested republicans from getting involved in the process. I would be more curious as to know WHY they're trying to keep people out. Screw that crap- barge in there.

539 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:10pm

re: #528 jaunte

[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

I guess I hang out with a different crowd of Baptists. Lots of business owners and working stiffs. No, they're not particlarly receptive of LDS theology. Luckily, they know that has NOTHING to do with being POTUS.

540 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:14pm
541 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:25pm

re: #525 gymmom

Peace be with you. :) I liked Rudy, too.

542 Steffan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:25pm

re: #500 Sharmuta

RINOs are Republicans In Name Only. People like Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Arnold Schwartzenegger.

543 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:38pm

re: #534 Iron Fist

Um, dude, did you happen to look at the Democratic position on gay marriage? If you did, then you know exactly how full of shit you are. The Democrat position on gay marriage is almost indistinguishable from the Republican but to the degree that they do differ, it is the Republicans who stand to gain. If the black population of California had voted for McCain when they were pulling the lever for Prop. 8, we might just have a President McCain right now.

Yes, but they didn't, and they won't, so the 'gain' isn't coming through there.

544 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:46pm
545 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:21:54pm

re: #537 ArmyWife

Does it have a link to the article? Does it call for accepting radical Islam in the text?

I'll accept it. Have it step over here next to this brick wall. Cigarette?

546 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:22:10pm
547 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:22:16pm

re: #526 bellamags

HOLY SH*T. NO FU*KING WAY.

the media really sucks .... and this is nauseating in the extreme

548 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:22:30pm

re: #452 avanti

Your rock star has a lower approval rating than Jimmy Carter did after the same amount of time in Office.
He's no rock star, he's Milli Vanilli.

549 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:22:45pm

re: #520 _RememberTonyC

Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...

[Link: www.970wfla.com...]

Fu*king Disgusting

Time to start searching Newsweek trucks for bombs.

I have one question for Newsreek:
How am I supposed to live with people who want to kill me?

550 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:23:09pm

re: #525 gymmom

I agree. I am part of a Catholic mom prayer group. They are VERY pro life to say the least. All were willing to vote for Guiliani because they understand the underlying principles. (And I talked the one undecided into voting against Obama. I wouldn't let her leave until I addressed all her issues.)

I was for Rudy as well, but there is no way an Italian was getting in the WH.

551 Steffan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:23:22pm

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

But he was a Republican--and a soldier, too! Why would they pay attention?

They won't. That's why the issues he mentioned are going to bite them on their collective asses (pun intended) very soon now.

552 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:23:27pm

re: #542 Steffan

RINOs are Republicans In Name Only. People like Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Arnold Schwartzenegger.

Gimme specifics. What do you want from Arnold? Why is he not a real Republican? (I only pick him because he's local.)

553 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:23:49pm
554 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:04pm

re: #497 bellamags

I voted for Romney, but the MSM will hammer him on the Mormonism. I think it's ridiculous, but also a lot of hard core Baptists will not vote for him.

Don't buy it. That is an MSM construct. Especially debunked now post election.

555 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:05pm

re: #500 Sharmuta

I said it upthread- I'll say it again. I compelled a liberal to listen to my fiscally conservative message tonight, and she was receptive. This is where the party's focus should be. Social issues need to take a secondary role, but I think we can all agree that we need fiscal solutions to the crisis. It's a message that should get all conservatives aboard except perhaps the RINOs (? whatever those are) and it would allow non-republicans something to latch onto, to give us the electoral victories we feel our party is worth. We will ruin this opportunity with a strong social conservative pushing pseudo-science. I would go so far as to say this financial crisis is a blessing in disguise if it can make the GOP the fiscally responsible party of Goldwater again.

I agree with you.
If I have freedom and liberty, I can live as socially conservative (or liberal) as I want to.
But the freedom and liberty to do that will be available only if the R's win based on fiscal responsibility.
The Obama administration has taken its first steps toward limiting "choice" to the liberal preferred choice of abortion.
This action is not separate from Obama's fiscal policies - it is part and parcel of this administration's desire to change the face of this country, through socialist fiscal policies which place us, as well as our freedoms, under ever-growing control of the government.

556 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:16pm

re: #550 NYCHardhat

Italian? People have Italian prejudices? Do I live under a rock?

557 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:27pm

re: #542 Steffan

RINOs are Republicans In Name Only. People like Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Arnold Schwartzenegger.

I know what it stands for- I'm looking for someone to clearly define the principles of a RINO, so that I know exactly who we're talking about. What makes those three republicans RINOs, in your opinion?

558 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:28pm

re: #547 _RememberTonyC

the media really sucks .... and this is nauseating in the extreme

ahahaha!....sorry...
I leave it to the watchdogs to monitor this stuff...
I hate the MSM with every ounce of flesh on my bones...
they are criminal and hide behind the 1st

559 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:37pm

re: #556 ArmyWife

Italian? People have Italian prejudices? Do I live under a rock?

They do against me.

560 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:37pm

re: #542 Steffan

RINOs are Republicans In Name Only. People like Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe and Arnold Schwartzenegger.

How many Republican tests do you have to fail before you become a RINO? One BIG one? Several small ones? Which ones are the most important ones? I might be a RINO and not even know it.

561 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:24:48pm

re: #553 buzzsawmonkey

Tell me that that is a fake cover.
Seriously.

562 saberry0530  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:25:03pm

re: #533 NYCHardhat

FUCK NEWSWEEK.

I remember Newsweek being relevant about what 1978?

563 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:25:33pm

re: #550 NYCHardhat

I was for Rudy as well, but there is no way an Italian was getting in the WH.

Not this time or next, that's for sure.

564 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:25:36pm

re: #553 buzzsawmonkey

Look on the bright side; they at last recognize that it exists.

maybe, but they're telling us we have to live with it ... and that is a problem

565 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:25:39pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

Simple.

Accept "returning America to its Christian roots" (RATICR) and you're in.

Tell them they are full of it and you're out.

I have good friends who voted for Obama because this RATICR stuff.

It's the type of distraction that is killing the conservative movement.

And I have to say we WELCOMED all of those votes when Reagan got elected but like anything else, too much of anything can be toxic.

And here is a question for all of you. Can you find a way in your hearts and minds to welcome Muslims into the GOP?

Think about it.

566 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:25:55pm

re: #555 reine.de.tout

Apropos of nothing, I received my cookbook today.

It needed more funny posts from me, but otherwise it's very nice. ;)

jaunte, once again, WOW.

Thanks to all who worked on it.

And Lulu was impressive, right down to the packaging.

567 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:26:23pm

re: #520 _RememberTonyC

Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...

[Link: www.970wfla.com...]

Fu*king Disgusting

I think I'm going to ask my doctor about some tranquilizers for the rest of the week. Because that cover is going to piss me off every time I see it. America cannot co-exist with totalitarianism. Either it will destroy us or we will destroy it. To quote Lady Thatcher: "There is no alternative."

568 gymmom  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:26:29pm

re: #550 NYCHardhat

I was for Rudy as well, but there is no way an Italian was getting in the WH.

I don't watch to much TV, but if gymdad has on the news and I hear that familiar rapid fire speech and wit, I'm there!

But I'm thinking those skeletons in the closet would be way more interesting than anything else we heard during the election.
;)

569 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:26:32pm
570 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:26:48pm

re: #497 bellamags

I voted for Romney, but the MSM will hammer him on the Mormonism. I think it's ridiculous, but also a lot of hard core Baptists will not vote for him.

There isn't something that the MSM won't hammer any republican candidate about. What's the solution? Pick someone with nothing 'substantial' to hammer? They'll just invent something or make them look bad ('Sara is a dumb hick'). Or is the key to pick a candidate that has something(s) so overwhelmingly appealing to the majority of voters? The latter worked for the dems this time even though it's all hopey changey smoke and mirrors. My faith that the majority of voters will look beyond marketing and packaging has been greatly diminished by this last go-round, but I haven't given up hope nor will I sit idly by.

Hope: Yea, I said it. Obama - that's not your word even though you tried to take it. No you can't!

571 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:27:02pm

re: #559 NYCHardhat

I don't even know what to say. Once again, my pollyannaness rises to the top. I can't comprehend this, therefore it can't exist.

572 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:27:04pm

re: #567 Dark_Falcon

I think I'm going to ask my doctor about some tranquilizers for the rest of the week. Because that cover is going to piss me off every time I see it. America cannot co-exist with totalitarianism. Either it will destroy us or we will destroy it. To quote Lady Thatcher: "There is no alternative."

blow it off....don't let it cred you

573 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:27:10pm

re: #560 Bloodnok

How many Republican tests do you have to fail before you become a RINO? One BIG one? Several small ones? Which ones are the most important ones? I might be a RINO and not even know it.

See- I don't think everyone understands why I keep questioning that label. I want a definition. Is it the RINO isn't fiscal enough? Social enough? Defense enough? What? What makes a RINO? I know what I think it is, but what's everyone else's take?

574 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:00pm

re: #569 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, I just copied the link from upthread.

Can I get Obama to autograph my copy?

575 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:14pm

re: #566 OldLineTexan

Apropos of nothing, I received my cookbook today.

It needed more funny posts from me, but otherwise it's very nice. ;)

jaunte, once again, WOW.

Thanks to all who worked on it.

And Lulu was impressive, right down to the packaging.

glad you like it.
Here's what you do for vol2 - when you make (or see) comments you like, send 'em to me to keep for Vol 2.

576 jim in virginia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:31pm

re: #483 Iron Fist

My bet is that the Republicans will go balls-to-the-wall to show how "bi-partisan" they are


Boehner and McConnell have been stand up guys so far. As for Zach Wamps statement that the budget can't be cut - given enough reasons, it can. Sadly, it may take a real war to do it.
The special election in upstate NY to replace Gillibrand (sp?) will be interesting. The Republican has a chance to win.

577 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:37pm

re: #571 ArmyWife

I don't even know what to say. Once again, my pollyannaness rises to the top. I can't comprehend this, therefore it can't exist.

Maybe its just me, but most people have that mob thing in their mind.

578 jaunte  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:40pm

Rich Lowry compares Obama's performance to Roosevelt:

Obama's debut is quite different from FDR's. FDR took office in the midst of a total meltdown of the banking system and acted boldly to arrest it. In March 1933, the Dow was at 52. It climbed 75 percent in the first 100 days. By December 1, 1933 it was 99. Obama is temporizing with his financial crisis in favor of moving quickly on his big spending plans, and watching the Dow trip steadily downward by the day. It's as if FDR skipped the bank holiday and focused first on passing the CCC. [Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

It's like he's trying to help us all fail.

579 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:28:42pm
580 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:29:09pm
581 Steffan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:29:23pm

re: #506 jaunte

I don't understand anti-Mormon prejudice from conservatives.

Especially when you consider that Mormons may very well be the most Mom-and-apple-pie people on the planet. Conservatives will very likely not find a more receptive audience.

582 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:29:32pm

re: #514 buzzsawmonkey

The Democrats are building the seeds of their own destruction; promises that can't be kept, safety that can't be maintained, and money that can't be paid back.

All that we have to do is articulate that, not as grumbling, but in terms of a brighter future, and the balance will tip.

In a turn of phrase - showing that there's more to hope and change than just a not so cheap slogan (trillions of dollars later and we're seeing just how expensive that hope and change turned out to be).

I happen to agree. You need a positive outlook because most Americans are indeed optimistic about the future. Folks gravitate to those who are optimistic and who can articulate how to make things better.

That can include a fiscally conservative agenda - showing how smaller government can make things better because the government isn't the cure-all. Government has its place - national defense, national security and foreign policy and key infrastructure and making it easier for the private sector to innovate.

Right now, the Democrats answers to everything is essentially throw more money at everything, and if that doesn't work, the failure was simply that not enough money was utilized. It's a winning formula in solid blue state territory and many urban areas, and it's kept the New Deal, Great Society and War on Poverty flowing in money for decades.

583 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:29:58pm

re: #456 _RememberTonyC

Shit! It's only been six weeks? :deep inhale: :long exhale:

I need to talk to some of the Elder Lizards about getting my hands on some of their herbal supplements. Beer just ain't cutting it as a "calmative" no more.

584 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:10pm

re: #575 reine.de.tout

glad you like it.
Here's what you do for vol2 - when you make (or see) comments you like, send 'em to me to keep for Vol 2.

I'm on the Volume 2 Brute Squad.

I will be yelling at you guys to chip in and help Reine.

585 jaunte  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:12pm

re: #581 Steffan

Especially when you consider that Mormons may very well be the most Mom-and-apple-pie people on the planet. Conservatives will very likely not find a more receptive audience.

I like their 'be prepared' ethos.

586 livefreeor die  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:26pm

re: #549 Kosh's Shadow

Time to start searching Newsweek trucks for bombs.

I have one question for Newsreek:
How am I supposed to live with people who want to kill me?


Since when did suicide bombings and killing people with different beliefs become mainstream?

587 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:32pm

re: #575 reine.de.tout

glad you like it.
Here's what you do for vol2 - when you make (or see) comments you like, send 'em to me to keep for Vol 2.

I'll send you my "heart" list, but not my comments. I already got chastised for being a ding whore. ;)

And I do owe you recipes. Sorry, real life got very distracting right at those crucial moments.

588 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:47pm

re: #565 unclassifiable

Wait. Firstly, we have Judeo-Christian roots. We do. Secondly, we shouldn't be espousing religion as a Government sponsored entity, but we shouldn't be alienating those who are religious. One religion doesn't get preferential treatment over another. Thirdly, Reagan was a social conservative. He was. If these people voted for Reagan, they voted for his principles, and they should be willing to do so again.

I'd accept Islam, if they accepted me. Fat chance of that happening, though.

589 SFGoth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:48pm

re: #562 saberry0530

I remember Newsweek being relevant about what 1978?

Nahh, they blew it with Global Cooling ;->

590 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:30:50pm

re: #520 _RememberTonyC

Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...

[Link: www.970wfla.com...]

Fu*king Disgusting

I like it. It's a damn shame they don't put News-weak in the check out aisle stands. It would make for some fascinating conversation while I was around.

591 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:31:02pm

re: #573 Sharmuta

See- I don't think everyone understands why I keep questioning that label. I want a definition. Is it the RINO isn't fiscal enough? Social enough? Defense enough? What? What makes a RINO? I know what I think it is, but what's everyone else's take?

it can mean different things to different people...find your own version of conservatism and stand on your principle.....and keep it simple

592 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:31:33pm

re: #560 Bloodnok
In my experience, they (Snowe, Collins, etc.) talk a good game at the gun clubs and the tax-cutting town hall meetings, but when they get to D.C., they chuck it all in the name of "bi-partisanship" and use the quid pro quo pork to help ensure re-election. No Union or PAC is going to spend millions to defeat a Snowe or a Collins when they can target a real conservative. The RINO's know this and play both sides against the middle.

593 Buster Bunny  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:31:51pm
Rich Lowry compares Obama's performance to Roosevelt:

It's like he's trying to help us all fail.

You gotta read Alinsky. The previoius system has to fail and the crowds must be disenchanted to be able to stick your new society model on the top of it.

594 saberry0530  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:32:08pm

re: #589 SFGoth

Nahh, they blew it with Global Cooling ;->

AHH 1973 then.

595 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:32:12pm

re: #587 OldLineTexan

I'll send you my "heart" list, but not my comments. I already got chastised for being a ding whore. ;)

And I do owe you recipes. Sorry, real life got very distracting right at those crucial moments.

We're all ding whores!
Anybody want to send something on now go ahead and do it.
If I get 100 recipes, I'll start.
Otherwise, I'll make an "official" start announcement for vol 2 in a couple of months.
But no need to wait to send things on if it's convenient.
click the nic and you will find my e-mail addresses.

596 FloridaAnole  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:32:35pm

Well, this thread proves that the old saying is true: put 3 conservatives in a room to discuss an issue, and there'll be 5 different opinions. Put 300 conservatives in a "room " and pandemonium ensues. Frankly, I don't expect any other conservative to agree with me on every issue. That is why I worked on the McCain campaign even though McCain's behavior in the Senate frequently enraged me. If Jindal is good on most issues, I am willing to overlook his belief in exorcism. In fact, come to think of it, I wish he would lead an exorcism of my computer, which seems to be possessed by the zedo/monster/ANG demons.

597 jim in virginia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:32:46pm

re: #545 OldLineTexan

I'll accept it. Have it step over here next to this brick wall. Cigarette?


Where's the nuance?

598 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:32:53pm
599 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:15pm

Radical Islam is a fact of life. So is syphillis. Doesn't mean you have to live with either one.

600 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:27pm

re: #581 Steffan

Especially when you consider that Mormons may very well be the most Mom-and-apple-pie people on the planet. Conservatives will very likely not find a more receptive audience.

I have never run into a larger collection of fiscally and socially conservative folks. With streaks of pioneer survivalism and community spirit, no less. And active Mormons seem to me to be extremely disciplined people.

601 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:39pm

re: #578 jaunte

Rich Lowry compares Obama's performance to Roosevelt:

It's like he's trying to help us all fail.

He may well be.

But even if he wasn't, he couldn't measure up to FDR. He's a grown-up child who has no leadership experience and a record of voting present. FDR was a man who had run organizations, overcome polio, and was possessed with courage and decisiveness. Obama is a nothing compared to him (and I'm not an FDR fan).

602 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:42pm
603 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:43pm

re: #555 reine.de.tout

I agree with you.
If I have freedom and liberty, I can live as socially conservative (or liberal) as I want to.
But the freedom and liberty to do that will be available only if the R's win based on fiscal responsibility.
The Obama administration has taken its first steps toward limiting "choice" to the liberal preferred choice of abortion.
This action is not separate from Obama's fiscal policies - it is part and parcel of this administration's desire to change the face of this country, through socialist fiscal policies which place us, as well as our freedoms, under ever-growing control of the government.

I do not agree that abortion is 'the liberal preferred choice'.

I have seriously mixed feelings about permitting individuals to deny legal health care based on matters of conscience, which finally comes down to the fact that I believe an independent practitioner or agency should be free not to provide specific services as a matter of policy--but what about Kaiser? Does the pharmacist there get to not give me my prescription?

And finally, since I'm having a nice quiet evening so far: How is a Somali cabbie's choice to reject a man with a dog or beer or his breath from getting into his cab different from a pharmacist refusing to fill a prescription for RU486?

604 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:52pm

re: #548 Lincolntf

Your rock star has a lower approval rating than Jimmy Carter did after the same amount of time in Office.
He's no rock star, he's Milli Vanilli.

Does it bother you that the approval rating is not close to correct ?

Poll.

605 pat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:33:53pm

RINOs are almost always defined in 3 contexts: Fiscal, Defense, Law Enforcement

606 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:04pm

re: #586 livefreeor die

It is your bigotry that refuses to accept it.

607 SFGoth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:12pm

re: #596 FloridaAnole

If Jindal is good on most issues, I am willing to overlook his belief in exorcism.

Enjoy the campaign parties, they'll be pretty lonely. Exorcism. That's exactly what the GOP needs to put the nail in the coffin of relevance.

608 gymmom  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:33pm

re: #595 reine.de.tout

Thanks, I received my cookbook a week or two ago. It looks great. We give up going out to restaurants for Lent, so it's a good time to try new recipes. (But hard work for me) I love food and cooking and will forward some recipes soon.

609 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:40pm

re: #571 ArmyWife

I don't even know what to say. Once again, my pollyannaness rises to the top. I can't comprehend this, therefore it can't exist.

That just means you're a nice person. Don't worry about it. ;)

610 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:45pm

re: #599 pingjockey

Radical Islam is a fact of life. So is syphillis. Doesn't mean you have to live with either one.

In fact, sooner or later both will kill you.

611 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:47pm

re: #537 ArmyWife

Does it have a link to the article? Does it call for accepting radical Islam in the text?

Here is the article, in all its jaw-dropping stupidity.

(Submit to your Islamist overlords, you dhimmis)

612 jim in virginia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:34:53pm

re: #557 Sharmuta

I know what it stands for- I'm looking for someone to clearly define the principles of a RINO, so that I know exactly who we're talking about. What makes those three republicans RINOs, in your opinion?

They rolled over and kissed Pelosi's and Reid's rear ends on the stimulus.

613 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:35:05pm

re: #597 jim in virginia

Where's the nuance?

Quit showin' off yer language lessons. Bathroom's down the hall on the left.

/sheesh
/

614 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:35:14pm

re: #573 Sharmuta

I am fighting the urge to say it's like porn, you know it when you see it! But I won't.
Seriously, I think to define RINO we need to define what it means to be Republican. We throw Reagan's name around as an ideal - so let's get down to brass tacks and define what Reagan stood for. We would then be able to contrast these values against what the Democrats stand for. To me, a RINO would be the politicians who identify with the Democrat list more than the Republican list, yet still carry the R behind their name.

615 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:35:48pm

re: #603 SanFranciscoZionist

I do not agree that abortion is 'the liberal preferred choice'.

I have seriously mixed feelings about permitting individuals to deny legal health care based on matters of conscience, which finally comes down to the fact that I believe an independent practitioner or agency should be free not to provide specific services as a matter of policy--but what about Kaiser? Does the pharmacist there get to not give me my prescription?

And finally, since I'm having a nice quiet evening so far: How is a Somali cabbie's choice to reject a man with a dog or beer or his breath from getting into his cab different from a pharmacist refusing to fill a prescription for RU486?

In my mind, there is a vast difference between a pharmacist who believes RU486 aborts and results in the murder of a human life, and a cabbie who refuses to give a ride to a blind man with a dog.

Just think about it.

616 caligal  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:35:53pm

Thanks for this. I missed 60 on Sunday. Boy, Safer looks really old and tired.

617 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:35:56pm

re: #606 formercorpsman
I am bigoted against all terrorists and zealots.

618 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:36:00pm

re: #591 albusteve

it can mean different things to different people...find your own version of conservatism and stand on your principle.....and keep it simple

I believe it is a Repub who isn't fiscally responsible because defending the citizens of America should be the job of the POTUS, democrat or republican.

619 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:36:22pm

Serious question, looking for answers: What is the most effective strategy or strategies of defense (or counter-attack) - against Alinsky's Rules?

620 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:36:56pm

re: #617 pingjockey

See, that is why they hate you.

You would think you would know this by now.

621 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:36:59pm

re: #581 Steffan

Especially when you consider that Mormons may very well be the most Mom-and-apple-pie people on the planet. Conservatives will very likely not find a more receptive audience.

That is the part I truly don't get. It's an inherently conservative group, in so many ways. I really was surprised when Huckabee went on attack about Romney's Mormonity. (Is that a word?)

622 mich-again  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:02pm

re: #593 Buster Bunny

You gotta read Alinsky. The previoius system has to fail and the crowds must be disenchanted to be able to stick your new society model on the top of it.

Not entirely. Can't have too many on the dole. Someone's gotta work to pay the bills.

623 Steffan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:04pm

re: #557 Sharmuta

I know what it stands for- I'm looking for someone to clearly define the principles of a RINO, so that I know exactly who we're talking about. What makes those three republicans RINOs, in your opinion?

Who were the only Republicans to vote for the Porkzilla bill? What is Schwarzenegger not doing to fix the CA budget crisis?

They vote with the Democrats more often than not, and they ignore or oppose party policy. I've heard that the party is finally going to make them pay through the nose for that. Took 'em long enough.

624 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:23pm

re: #17 soxfan4life

Trying to nominate another John McCain to get Obama reelected in 2012. Let's hope Mitt Romney keeps his eye on the prize for all of our sakes.

Mitt is so tactful.

"I don't think the president's plan is as focused and targeted as it needed to be."

625 livefreeor die  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:33pm

re: #617 pingjockey

I am bigoted against all terrorists and zealots.

Amen!

626 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:34pm

re: #584 Sharmuta

I'm on the Volume 2 Brute Squad.

I will be yelling at you guys to chip in and help Reine.

Reine, are you ready to start accepting for volume II? Let me know when and I'll join the squad.

Send submissions to your addy here? Is it too soon?

627 SFGoth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:40pm

re: #601 Dark_Falcon

He may well be.

But even if he wasn't, he couldn't measure up to FDR. He's a grown-up child who has no leadership experience and a record of voting present. FDR was a man who had run organizations, overcome polio, and was possessed with courage and decisiveness. Obama is a nothing compared to him (and I'm not an FDR fan).

FDR had been ass't Sec. of the Navy and wanted to get us in WWII (no, I don't buy the P.H. conspiracy).

628 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:41pm

re: #573 Sharmuta

See- I don't think everyone understands why I keep questioning that label. I want a definition. Is it the RINO isn't fiscal enough? Social enough? Defense enough? What? What makes a RINO? I know what I think it is, but what's everyone else's take?

In my opinion it is pretty simple, that would be someone who repeatedly crosses the aisle to vote with and/or take steps to scuttle conservative initiatives or advance liberal ones. They really are pretty easy to identify.

629 jaunte  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:47pm

re: #601 Dark_Falcon

He may well be.

From your link:

The Cloward-Piven strategy depended on surprise. Once society recovered from the initial shock, the backlash began. New York's welfare crisis horrified America, giving rise to a reform movement which culminated in "the end of welfare as we know it" -- the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which imposed time limits on federal welfare, along with strict eligibility and work requirements.


I think this suggest that the CP strategy is only a short term tactic until the reaction sets in from the wider society.

630 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:58pm

re: #626 pink freud

Reine, are you ready to start accepting for volume II? Let me know when and I'll join the squad.

Send submissions to your addy here? Is it too soon?

go ahead and send 'em on!
You can send to my regular address.

631 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:15pm

re: #586 livefreeor die


Since when did suicide bombings and killing people with different beliefs become mainstream?

Seriously, read the article. It raises some questions we will have to answer, even if you don't agree with Zakaria's take on them.

632 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:18pm
633 jim in virginia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:27pm

Somehow I missed the cookbnook. (Too much work, I guess, I just wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry.) How do I get one? Can I get a recipe in the second edition?

634 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:37pm

re: #620 formercorpsman
I must be doing something right then But, I'm remiss in my bigotry, I haven't had a fatwa issued against me!

635 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:38pm

re: #604 avanti

Does it bother you that the very link you provided proves you wrong, me right, and Obama less popular than Carter?

03/15/1977 03/15/1977 74
03/01/1977 03/01/1977 70

Those are Carter's numbers. Most polling sources currently put Obama at 64-65% approval.

636 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:53pm

re: #588 ArmyWife

But what is around you NOW.

Social conservatives?

And the Muslims you know, any of them Islamist?

Or are they most likely just trying to get by running their business.

Think about this. With 1.5 billion Muslims in the world if even 1% were hardcore Islamist we would have total world war. To me it is quite clear that we have got to get away from the idea of anyone having to accept anyone as much as being allowed to pursue their dreams of a better life for themselves and their children. You American? It's a pretty good chance your family came from somewhere else and also was not accepted. What got you accepted was not being from somewhere else but being American. We turn our backs to each other at each others peril.

637 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:02pm

re: #595 reine.de.tout

Nevermind. :-)

638 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:09pm

re: #617 pingjockey

Realize, IMHO this does not even require a tag.

To me, stepping back & looking at what is going around in the world right now, you could not have convinced me, right after 911, in less than 10 years, something like that would be on the cover of an American magazine.

639 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:37pm

re: #619 Gort

Serious question, looking for answers: What is the most effective strategy or strategies of defense (or counter-attack) - against Alinsky's Rules?

And Cloward-Piven.

640 stevieray  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:46pm

Newsweek 1860:

"Slavery is a fact of life: How to live with it"

Newsweek 1939:

"Fascism is a fact of life: How to live with it"

No... sorry, Newsweek. I ain't living with it, nor with any anti-humanist who accepts or excuses it.

641 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:46pm

re: #633 jim in virginia

Somehow I missed the cookbnook. (Too much work, I guess, I just wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry.) How do I get one? Can I get a recipe in the second edition?

Yes.

Yes.

/

642 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:47pm

re: #598 ploome hineni

I cannot accept any Sharia.

Is that simple enough?

643 SFGoth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:39:51pm

re: #615 reine.de.tout

In my mind, there is a vast difference between a pharmacist who believes RU486 aborts and results in the murder of a human life, and a cabbie who refuses to give a ride to a blind man with a dog.

Just think about it.

The cabbie is a common carrier; the pharmacist is not. Common carriers are pretty highly regulated. It's much easier to find a pharmacy than a cab.

644 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:40:07pm

re: #612 jim in virginia

They rolled over and kissed Pelosi's and Reid's rear ends on the stimulus.

Exactly where on the rear end is the stimulus located?

Never mind, I think I know.

645 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:40:08pm

re: #464 unclassifiable

IMHO

OK

IMRHO

The GOP has allowed themselves to get distracted on some petty and destructive tangents. Part of this is self inflicted. Part of this is allowing the left to define us.

First and foremost we have to understand that everything we stand for is based on the frailty fo the human character. Liberals would have you believe that humans can be perfected. That given enough training, indoctrination, guidance, education, self-reflection, etc. that it is possible to build perfect human being and, ergo, a perfect society. The first and foremost thing we as conservatives need to point out is how much fallacy there is in this belief.

Now the left is going to say that we have constructed a straw man but how else does one explain their continual insistence on the concentration of power and collectivism. Inevitably there has to be a belief that the people to which power is concentrated, by there education, upbringing, titles, or whatever are infallible.

The next fall back position of the left will be to say, well they are not infallible -- mistakes will be made...

Well if that is the case then why do we want those mistakes to impact everyone. If the government owns banking through nationalization, one mistake in a governing board sinks all banking. Same with health care. Same with the auto industry.

What we need to get back to is the idea that humans are fallible, and , therefore, it is best, in as many ways as possible to allow a plurality of approaches. This is best afforded by, free market capitalism, a pluralistic democratic republic, and the assurance of inalienable rights as delineated in the Constitution -- especially the Bill of Rights.

Our aim should not be to return to a past status simply because it agrees with the conditions at the founding or some past period of timed deemed desirable. Our aim should be to use our collective liberty to deal with the here and now and the future.

Just thought this should be repeated.

646 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:40:15pm

re: #632 buzzsawmonkey

Night!

647 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:40:40pm

re: #638 formercorpsman

Realize, IMHO this does not even require a tag.

To me, stepping back & looking at what is going around in the world right now, you could not have convinced me, right after 911, in less than 10 years, something like that would be on the cover of an American magazine.

In less than ten years since 911:

A POTUS named Barack Hussein Obama

Nuff said

648 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:41:00pm

re: #573 Sharmuta

See- I don't think everyone understands why I keep questioning that label. I want a definition. Is it the RINO isn't fiscal enough? Social enough? Defense enough? What? What makes a RINO? I know what I think it is, but what's everyone else's take?

My interpretation of a RINO is one who pretends to be conservative only to be elected, but once in office votes for leftist ideas. A solid conservative doesn't have to be a hunter or a veteran or go to church every Sunday. But they sure as hell better understand that spending my tax dollars is a sacred duty that should be done responsibly. That the primary role of the national government is the protection of it's citizens' life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (don't confuse happiness with the pursuit).

649 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:41:12pm

re: #623 Steffan

Who were the only Republicans to vote for the Porkzilla bill? What is Schwarzenegger not doing to fix the CA budget crisis?

They vote with the Democrats more often than not, and they ignore or oppose party policy. I've heard that the party is finally going to make them pay through the nose for that. Took 'em long enough.

So it's a fiscal RINO thing?

650 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:41:21pm

re: #632 buzzsawmonkey

'Nite, all.

Sleep tight. Come back and make us laugh tomorrow.

651 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:41:27pm

THE MEDIA NEEDS TO GO.

652 Steffan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:41:34pm

re: #580 Iron Fist

I'm kinda partial to Operation: Great Crusade.

653 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:42:01pm

re: #633 jim in virginia

Somehow I missed the cookbnook. (Too much work, I guess, I just wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry.) How do I get one? Can I get a recipe in the second edition?

Click Reine's nic.

654 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:42:19pm

re: #651 NYCHardhat

THE MEDIA NEEDS TO GO.

HEY HEY
HO HO
MAINSTREAM MEDIA
HAS TO GO

655 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:42:21pm

re: #638 formercorpsman

I know. Absolutely mad for that crap to be on the cover of a magazine. 1939, here's naziism, get used to it. NOT!

656 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:42:25pm

re: #648 CommonCents

My interpretation of a RINO is one who pretends to be conservative only to be elected, but once in office votes for leftist ideas. A solid conservative doesn't have to be a hunter or a veteran or go to church every Sunday. But they sure as hell better understand that spending my tax dollars is a sacred duty that should be done responsibly. That the primary role of the national government is the protection of it's citizens' life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (don't confuse happiness with the pursuit).

So- you're leaning Fiscal too?

657 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:42:56pm

Buy a cookbook, jim. Quit slackin!

658 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:43:27pm

re: #638 formercorpsman

Realize, IMHO this does not even require a tag.

To me, stepping back & looking at what is going around in the world right now, you could not have convinced me, right after 911, in less than 10 years, something like that would be on the cover of an American magazine.

surprise!....people are stupid and weak...I'm old so it's no surprise to me...
so...given the facts on the ground right now, consider the possibilities for the next ten years...then dis me for my hysterics now....hahaha...the feds are my dire enemy....they will kill me if they can and the MSM will turn their rosey cheeks and let it happen....btw..got kids?

659 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:43:27pm

re: #598 ploome hineni

here is a question for you

how much sharia can you accept

are you aware that there is no seperation of 'church and state' in islam?

and why don't you describe to me

an islamic state...you have 57 to choose from

I can accept sharia (as something my neighbors subscribe to), so long as it remains within the bounds of U.S., state and local law, and, as halacha is for me, is something adhered to within a religious community.

There is separation of church and state in the United States. Muslims who wish to become part of the American fabric have been willing to embrace this. Those who cannot will be better off elsewhere, or at least should be elsewhere.

I do not want to describe an Islamic state. I'm having dinner. For this reason, many Muslims have an interest in moving somewhere else, where they can be Muslim and live in freedom and prosperity.

Done now.

660 FloridaAnole  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:43:49pm

re: #452 avanti

Well, yes. You've become the party of older white folks, and that demographic is shrinking. Most of the voters are moderates on gay rights and Roe-Wade and being a Republican is no longer cool with the youth. Steele might move you in the right direction though, but BO has become the rock star you need to beat.

Um, I think you're gonna be late for the meeting in the situation room with Rahm an the gang if you keep posting. And tell them "hi" from this older white folk.

661 saberry0530  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:44:18pm

Just watched that Diet Dew/ Pres. Lincoln Commercial EXCELLANT

662 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:44:35pm

re: #656 Sharmuta

So- you're leaning Fiscal too?

Above all....don't mess with people's money.

663 SFGoth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:45:16pm

re: #659 SanFranciscoZionist

I can accept sharia (as something my neighbors subscribe to), so long as it remains within the bounds of U.S., state and local law, and, as halacha is for me, is something adhered to within a religious community.


Except you don't understand that over time, the law incorporates social mores so that sharia would eventually infect our secular system.

664 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:45:32pm

re: #640 stevieray

Newsweek 1860:

"Slavery is a fact of life: How to live with it"

Newsweek 1939:

"Fascism is a fact of life: How to live with it"

No... sorry, Newsweek. I ain't living with it, nor with any anti-humanist who accepts or excuses it.

Excellent post!

665 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:45:36pm

re: #662 NYCHardhat

I just wonder if Barry Goldwater would be called a RINO.

666 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:45:48pm

re: #662 NYCHardhat

Above all....don't mess with people's money.

good quote...press that further...it is YOUR money...it does NOT belong to the feds

667 mich-again  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:46:12pm
668 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:46:32pm

re: #660 FloridaAnole

Um, I think you're gonna be late for the meeting in the situation room with Rahm an the gang if you keep posting. And tell them "hi" from this older white folk.

There are exceptions. but just look at those in attendance at the conventions and campaign rallies and tell me you don't see a difference in diversity.

669 Steffan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:46:58pm

re: #635 Lincolntf

Does it bother you that the very link you provided proves you wrong, me right, and Obama less popular than Carter?

03/15/1977 03/15/1977 74
03/01/1977 03/01/1977 70

Those are Carter's numbers. Most polling sources currently put Obama at 64-65% approval.

I read someplace that The One is less popular than GWB was at this point in his first term.

670 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:46:58pm

re: #598 ploome hineni

BTW ploome I'm not leaving. Maybe you can leave and find that perfect Judeo-Christian democratic republicc that still has a liberal (in classical sense) constitution and does not have to put up with any other infectious beliefs or any messy issues with assimilation and alienation.

Me, I think I am in the country that still presents the best hope for the world -- despite the current chief executive's bastardization of the term.

671 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:04pm

re: #665 Sharmuta
IIRC, no! I was 5 when he ran for prez. I do remember him as a senator though.

672 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:04pm

re: #661 saberry0530

I had the reflexive "how dare they mock Abe?" response when I first saw it. Then I watched it a few times and it's not half bad.

Mr. Lincoln, we could sure use you today...

673 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:16pm

re: #665 Sharmuta

I just wonder if Barry Goldwater would be called a RINO.

doubt it.

674 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:22pm

re: #615 reine.de.tout

In my mind, there is a vast difference between a pharmacist who believes RU486 aborts and results in the murder of a human life, and a cabbie who refuses to give a ride to a blind man with a dog.

Just think about it.

I thought that this was about the conscience of the individual. Are we allowed to override the conscience of the individual for some things but not others?

675 Bobblehead  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:25pm

If you watched the interview til the end you heard that Mrs. Jindal is less than enthusiastic about her husband running for president. Her response to the question of what she thought about the prospect was something like "Heavens, no!".

676 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:45pm

re: #667 mich-again

Slavery. It gets stuff done.

thats fucked up

677 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:47:55pm

re: #607 SFGoth

Enjoy the campaign parties, they'll be pretty lonely. Exorcism. That's exactly what the GOP needs to put the nail in the coffin of relevance.

I went off front and center today with a group of die-hard liberals about Jindal, DI, and his creationism-taught-in-schools bill. I made it absolutely clear that I (the token conservative) did in no way shape or from support him as a candidate for 2012 because he did not represent conservative values. Their response: "but, teaching religion in schools isa conservative value!"

See what we're up against?

(Amazingly, I got their attention. The conversation turned to fiscal conservatism and to my surprise, they're not far from me on that issue. Even more amazing, I definitely got the sense that their rock star is losing a lot of his appeal. A lot of ummm's and lowered glances when I asked for reaction of this spending debacle and the impact it will have directly on their lives. Not one voice in support of it. FWIW.)

/oh, and this was on a university campus ....there's hope (!) yet ...

678 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:07pm

re: #573 Sharmuta

See- I don't think everyone understands why I keep questioning that label. I want a definition. Is it the RINO isn't fiscal enough? Social enough? Defense enough? What? What makes a RINO? I know what I think it is, but what's everyone else's take?

It's a pejorative, slung about by folks with the intention of insulting those who don't adhere 100% to their personal brand of True ConservativeTM Kool-Aide.

It is an entirely subjective term, and as such, the definition of a RINO lies strictly in the narrowly focused eye of the accuser beholder.

/I'm gonna stick to using the pejorative "poopy-head". At least that one gets the occasional laugh.

679 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:11pm
680 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:15pm

re: #665 Sharmuta

I just wonder if Barry Goldwater would be called a RINO.

Probably would depend on what stage of Goldwater's life is considered. Of course people would probably reject the notion of that question.

681 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:16pm

re: #629 jaunte

I think this suggest that the CP strategy is only a short term tactic until the reaction sets in from the wider society.

Any strategy predicated on surprise and shock is only likely to work in the short to mid term. If the faction using it cannot win relatively quickly, they'll be at a loss once their enemies recover their footing. World War Two was a fine example of that, particularly in the Pacific.

682 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:21pm

re: #655 pingjockey

It truly is. I'll admit, I did not read all of it, by now though, I don't need to.

I know what the template is. It is not like anyone in the media has attempted to earn this average joe's trust again.

Quite frankly, I don't give a shit what someone's religion is, as long as they can abide by the rules here. They need to understand, the Constitution comes first. For so many, this places an immediate conundrum as it relates to sharia.

In my opinion, the only way islam stands a chance in the western world, is a reformation.

Right now, I am not confident anything like that is on the horizon.

683 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:48:45pm

re: #639 Gort

And Cloward-Piven.

I've got some reading to do

discoverthenetworks.org
A Guide to the Political Left

Time to educate myself.

/No thanks, I don't want that education reprogramming tax credit.

684 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:18pm

re: #669 Steffan

Still waiting for Avanti to redefine mathematics for me.

When is 70 less than 65?

When a Liberal says so, silly!

685 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:19pm

re: #680 Gus 802

Probably would depend on what stage of Goldwater's life is considered. Of course people would probably reject the notion of that question.

The worst Rino I can think of: McCain.

686 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:22pm
687 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:36pm

re: #658 albusteve

You don't have to tell me. I have 3 kids.

This stuff makes for some sleepless nights.

688 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:44pm

re: #668 avanti
Diversity is great, how about smarts, common sense, whatever you want to call it. The great majority on the left want the gubmint to take care of their happy asses from cradle to grave, punish those who work hard with confiscatory taxes. Total disconnect from reality in foreign policy, it goes own and own.

689 jim in virginia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:53pm

re: #641 OldLineTexan

Yes.

Yes.

/

OK. I don't read as fast as you do. Too much beer at Lovett. We're not intellectuals like the bozos at Hanszen.

By the way, did you ever know EC Holt's daughter?

690 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:49:55pm

re: #634 pingjockey

I must be doing something right then But, I'm remiss in my bigotry, I haven't had a fatwa issued against me!

You know, that would be a great little Internet business, issuing fatwas against folks who wanted one as a conversation piece. What do you need to issue a fatwa? Can any imam do it?

691 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:09pm

re: #656 Sharmuta

So- you're leaning Fiscal too?

I would have to lean defense first, then fiscal. I probably wouldn't be quite as bent if the porkulus bill was spending a majority of that money on doubling the CIA, increasing troop levels, and development of advanced weapons, detection systems, and anti-laser defense systems directly aimed at China. A massive restocking of Tomahawk missiles with a focus on Iran, N. Korea, Sudan, Somalia, the FATA, Venezuela, etc. etc. (you know the usual suspects).

692 jaunte  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:38pm

re: #681 Dark_Falcon

Any strategy predicated on surprise and shock is only likely to work in the short to mid term. If the faction using it cannot win relatively quickly, they'll be at a loss once their enemies recover their footing. World War Two was a fine example of that, particularly in the Pacific.

I'm hoping the O admin. won't survive the sleeping giant waking up to $5 a gallon gas and 25-cent dollars.

693 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:49pm

re: #669 Steffan

I read someplace that The One is less popular than GWB was at this point in his first term.

I did screw up and did not scroll all the way down. I can't understand those numbers for Carter, he must have had a early bump to be in the 70's that was higher then most everyone's early numbers.

694 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:49pm
695 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:50pm

re: #688 pingjockey

Diversity is great, how about smarts, common sense, whatever you want to call it. The great majority on the left want the gubmint to take care of their happy asses from cradle to grave, punish those who work hard with confiscatory taxes. Total disconnect from reality in foreign policy, it goes own and own.

I believe diversity is an old wooden ship used during the civil war era.

696 lobo91  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:50:52pm

re: #668 avanti

There are exceptions. but just look at those in attendance at the conventions and campaign rallies and tell me you don't see a difference in diversity.

One good reason you see such "diversity" on display at the DNC is that there are quotas for delegates.

697 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:51:20pm

re: #678 Slumbering Behemoth

{Sleepy B}- I do know what I mean when I think of RINOs, but I agree that it's so subjective now, I don't like the term anymore.

698 stevieray  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:51:23pm

Its 17 degrees outside... we had 10 inches of snow last night... and the roads are a solid sheet of ice. So, guess what happened 45 minutes ago?

My heat went out!

I have hot water baseboard heat, and the pump which sends that beautiful warm water into my apartment decided to give up the ghost.

I had to drive over to my sister's place (luckily, only about a mile away) and borrow a couple of space heaters.

Why do these things only happen at night... or on weekends? How do major appliances know the day and the time?

699 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:51:40pm

re: #647 NYCHardhat

In less than ten years since 911:

A POTUS named Barack Hussein Obama

Nuff said

A man with a Muslim Swahili name should not be president because Muslims attacked the United States?

700 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:51:56pm

re: #669 Steffan

I read someplace that The One is less popular than GWB was at this point in his first term.

Lets see the big O's popularity on September 20th, 2009. Then we can cross foot the numbers of GWB at the same point in his presidency.

701 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:00pm

re: #452 avanti

Well, yes. You've become the party of older white folks, and that demographic is shrinking. Most of the voters are moderates on gay rights and Roe-Wade and being a Republican is no longer cool with the youth. Steele might move you in the right direction though, but BO has become the rock star you need to beat.

You may be correct on this, though I saw many comments by Democrats on blogs during the election that said things like, "I'm tired of being held hostage by Roe V. Wade. We aren't tied to a particular nominee for fear we'll lose our right to choose. If we were going to lose it, it would have been lost during the tenure of republican Presidents. If it were going to be overturned, it would have happened during the last eight years." Mostly this was said by PUMAs who were defending their right to vote for Palin without being fear-mongered by the Obamabots, but I think Roe v. Wade may be shrinking as an issue.

702 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:20pm

re: #691 CommonCents

Fair enough- thanks.

703 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:31pm

re: #690 SanFranciscoZionist
I have no idea. A fatwa would look real good on my I love me wall with all my navy stuff.

704 Dave the.....  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:36pm
There are exceptions. but just look at those in attendance at the conventions and campaign rallies and tell me you don't see a difference in diversity.

If you consider skin color and sexual orientation diversity.

How about diversity of thought?

705 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:50pm
706 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:54pm

re: #665 Sharmuta

I just wonder if Barry Goldwater would be called a RINO.

I'm sure, in certain "high principled" circles, he would be called a Libtard.

707 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:52:54pm

re: #636 unclassifiable

Around me now? My friends? My family? For the most part, my side of the family are SoCons, as are the majority of my friends - but not all. My mother thinks she is a Democrat, but can't articulate what that means. My stepfather is very conservative. Now, my husband's side is full of raving moonbat leftists loons, to include a Berkeley prof. He has overcome great odds, that one.

I have limited reference points for Muslims. I have the stories from my husbands trips to the sandbox. I have the Iraqi who owns the Subway across the street, but he is a Christian now, so not sure where that fits in, really.

My Mother came from France, English is her second language. You're right, not so popular. ;)

708 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:53:02pm

re: #689 jim in virginia

OK. I don't read as fast as you do. Too much beer at Lovett. We're not intellectuals like the bozos at Hanszen.

By the way, did you ever know EC Holt's daughter?

EC Holt ... Fast Eddie? He was married? He had sex?

I don't remember any intellectuals at Hanszen. Of course, Forrest Gump would look like Einstein if he lived next door to Weiss.

709 topazpilot  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:53:10pm

Okay, so on a whim I decided to take a stroll through the sewer known as the liberal blogosphere. You know what I found? Not one single sentence devoted to the free falling stock market. Oh, if the DOW dipped half a point when Bush was in office they were declaring it the worst dip since 1929, but now that their golden messiah sits upon the ivory throne there is...crickets.

What are they talking about? Some pseudo rift between Michael Steele and Rush Limbaugh. A rift they are desperately trying to create hoping that if a lie is repeated often enough then it becomes true. It's amusing that all the scummy liberal blogs are bleating almost verbatim, which leads me to believe that they are getting their talking points from somewhere up high. Rahmbo strikes again!

As a sidenote, I find it amusing that they are trying to create these rifts amongst conservatives. First it was Rush vs. Newt, now Steele vs. Rush. It's like their trying to sow dissension in the ranks and obscure the reality happening around us. What would that be? Oh yeah, the crumbling stock market that is occurring under the watch of the Golden One.

710 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:53:21pm

re: #678 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a pejorative, slung about by folks with the intention of insulting those who don't adhere 100% to their personal brand of True ConservativeTM Kool-Aide.

It is an entirely subjective term, and as such, the definition of a RINO lies strictly in the narrowly focused eye of the accuser beholder.

/I'm gonna stick to using the pejorative "poopy-head". At least that one gets the occasional laugh.

that's pretty soft. You are voting with the Democrats or you are not. Not subjective. Pretty simple, really.

711 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:53:40pm

re: #663 SFGoth

Except you don't understand that over time, the law incorporates social mores so that sharia would eventually infect our secular system.

How many Muslims are you envisioning in the country? And why do you think they're gonna get to us before we get to them, which is what has happened with every other immigrant group?

712 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:53:55pm

re: #678 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a pejorative, slung about by folks with the intention of insulting those who don't adhere 100% to their personal brand of True ConservativeTM Kool-Aide.

It is an entirely subjective term, and as such, the definition of a RINO lies strictly in the narrowly focused eye of the accuser beholder.

/I'm gonna stick to using the pejorative "poopy-head". At least that one gets the occasional laugh.

IMO the most fiscal minded Conservative can be cast as a RINO if he/she votes the other way on almost any pressing issue of the day. It is a pejorative.

713 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:01pm

re: #665 Sharmuta

I just wonder if Barry Goldwater would be called a RINO.

with respect...of course somebody would if he didn't toe their line of ideology...RINO has no concrete meaning, it is a way to express your disregard for some one's value not in step with your own...it is ultimately divisive...that's what it's for, to elevate your position above another...conservatism will not flourish again until we unite at the simplest foundation and the rest be left off the platform...imo

714 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:03pm

re: #686 ploome hineni

Repeating?

You have got me mixed up with some one else.

Your yawn is pretty reminiscent of stuff I see hear posted from Kos.

Perhaps it has grown to be your reflexive response to anything that does not celebrate the greatness that is ploome.

715 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:11pm

re: #706 Slumbering Behemoth

Did you see this? I linked it last week for Killgore.

716 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:14pm

re: #699 SanFranciscoZionist

A man with a Muslim Swahili name should not be president because Muslims attacked the United States?

No. A man who coddles muslims that attacked the USA should not be POTUS.

717 doppelganglander  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:15pm

re: #630 reine.de.tout

I'm glad this topic came up because I keep forgetting to order. I just did, and I can't wait to learn dozens of new ways to prepare lizard!

/Wait, what?

718 jaunte  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:17pm

re: #704 Dave the.....

If you consider skin color and sexual orientation diversity.

How about diversity of thought?

Now you're making trouble for the ruling narrative...

719 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:54:35pm

re: #668 avanti

That's crap. Look at W's cabinet. Or does that not count because they were republicans?

720 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:55:32pm

re: #693 avanti

So you posted something "correcting" me without having a clue as to what you were actually talking about? Even provided numbers that were beyond your ability to read/comprehend?
You are the epitome of a brain-dead Liberal.
If it doesn't make Obama look good, it can't be true.

721 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:56:03pm

re: #684 Lincolntf

Still waiting for Avanti to redefine mathematics for me.

When is 70 less than 65?

When a Liberal says so, silly!

I admitted my error, Carter was way more popular then expected when I scrolled all the way down to the first weeks.

722 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:56:05pm

re: #676 NYCHardhat

thats fucked up

LOL.......... roflmao

723 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:56:07pm
724 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:56:18pm

re: #668 avanti

You know Avanti, this is the main problem with people on the left.

I would argue George Bush has probably the most diverse cabinet to date.

The typical argument is never based on substance. The media writes the script, and then reports on it.

The democrats operate like a gang initiation. If you are black, it is automatic that you are a democrat. If you are black republican, it is automatic you are an uncle tom.

Never the chance for an intelligent argument based on substance.

Your statement is the prime example of this perpetuate.

Bush has done more than any President ever, to help the African continent. The press, nor anyone in the minority special interest groups so much as gave him a thank you for it.

725 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:56:28pm

re: #698 stevieray

Its 17 degrees outside... we had 10 inches of snow last night... and the roads are a solid sheet of ice. So, guess what happened 45 minutes ago?

My heat went out!

I have hot water baseboard heat, and the pump which sends that beautiful warm water into my apartment decided to give up the ghost.

I had to drive over to my sister's place (luckily, only about a mile away) and borrow a couple of space heaters.

Why do these things only happen at night... or on weekends? How do major appliances know the day and the time?

Condolences. Glad you have power to run the heaters.

726 FloridaAnole  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:57:39pm

re: #607 SFGoth

Enjoy the campaign parties, they'll be pretty lonely. Exorcism. That's exactly what the GOP needs to put the nail in the coffin of relevance.

Relax ---I doubt that the GOP will make exorcism part of the platform. If the GOP can tolerate people who have various religious beliefs that some might find strange or tacky or uncool, as it has done up till now, then this should not not be an issue, any more than Romney's Mormonism should be an issue.

727 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:58:17pm

re: #619 Gort

Serious question, looking for answers: What is the most effective strategy or strategies of defense (or counter-attack) - against Alinsky's Rules?

The most effective strategy is as follows:

-Concede nothing. Don't give people trying to cause a crisis anything at all.
-Name the enemy as such. Do not call Alinskyites 'good, well-meaning' or anything of that sort. Use terms like "scum' and "anti-patriots".
-Be ready to fight. Do no provoke or instigate violence, but be prepared to fight when they start something.
-Get your counter-message out early and often. Preach and propagandize your views constantly.

And finally:
-Never lose your nerve. No retreat, no surrender.

728 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:58:18pm
729 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:58:31pm

re: #696 lobo91

One good reason you see such "diversity" on display at the DNC is that there are quotas for delegates.

So the polling showing the lack of support with the youth, Hispanics, blacks for the GOP is flawed ?

730 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:58:52pm
731 doppelganglander  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:59:18pm

re: #677 pink freud

Maybe you should run for office. It sounds like you're a very effective communicator.

732 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:59:58pm
733 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:00:11pm

re: #729 avanti
Nope. The GOP has done a shit job of getting its message out.

734 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:00:37pm

re: #705 ploome hineni

Because some of those Muslims are engineers, doctors, and other professionals who are making a positive impact to this country and, at least from what I can see, are not prone to go to Toronto to protest Jews much less care who is paying them.

But then again I guess I do not live in a hotbed of Islamist activity.

735 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:00:42pm

re: #727 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for the reply.

736 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:01:23pm

re: #656 Sharmuta

So- you're leaning Fiscal too?

I think RINO is a fiscal related term. I can't think of any time it has been used in reference to someone who was not socially conservative enough. In fact, most (not all) social issues have taken a back seat to the fiscal ones.

737 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:01:31pm
738 FloridaAnole  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:02:02pm

re: #520 _RememberTonyC

Newsweek's Newest Cover ... Coming to your mailbox soon ...

[Link: www.970wfla.com...]

Fu*king Disgusting

Cool. Does that indicate that the Newsweek staff was threatened with beheading or something? I'd hate to think they preemptively surrendered.

739 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:02:04pm

re: #705 ploome hineni

how about prayer rooms in public schools only for muslims?

I couldn't even get my old school to open the library at lunch so the Muslim kids wouldn't have to sit in the cafeteria during Ramadan, so I really don't know.

we pay for muslims to wash their feet at special foot washing station at airports?

Silly, since you can wash for prayer easily enough in a restroom, or with a water bottle and hand towel, but I've never seen one. Heard about them here and on some other web places. What airports have them?

how about ritos at universities when Israelis' speak?

how about violence and intimidation of JEws on campus and on the streets of Orlando? or Toronto?

Should be aggressively and uncompromisingly dealt with by private and city authorities. All criminal acts should be prosecuted. And that goes as well for the non-Muslim ****heads involved.

why are we allowing ANY muslim immigration ?

Because we are a nation of immigrants. And because we're not bigots.

740 lobo91  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:02:40pm

re: #729 avanti

So the polling showing the lack of support with the youth, Hispanics, blacks for the GOP is flawed ?

I notice you didn't address the DNC's quota system for delegates.

Gotta have that "diversity for the TV cameras, right? White liberals, black liberals, asian liberals, gay liberals. Just make sure there's no diversity of thought or anything.

Can't have that, now.

741 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:03:06pm

re: #729 avanti

So the polling showing the lack of support with the youth, Hispanics, blacks for the GOP is flawed ?

not really flawed...the youth, hispanics and blacks are generally ignorant of what is best for them...the donks know this and the MSM is their tool to exploit it

742 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:03:15pm

re: #736 VioletTiger

I think RINO is a fiscal related term. I can't think of any time it has been used in reference to someone who was not socially conservative enough. In fact, most (not all) social issues have taken a back seat to the fiscal ones.

Unfortunately that's not true of the groups who preferred Huckabee over Romney in the primaries.

743 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:03:33pm

re: #735 Gort

Thank you for the reply.

You are welcome. Feel free to repost those tactics where you please. I only ask that you properly quote me.

744 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:04:14pm

re: #724 formercorpsman

You know Avanti, this is the main problem with people on the left.

I would argue George Bush has probably the most diverse cabinet to date.

The typical argument is never based on substance. The media writes the script, and then reports on it.

The democrats operate like a gang initiation. If you are black, it is automatic that you are a democrat. If you are black republican, it is automatic you are an uncle tom.

Never the chance for an intelligent argument based on substance.

Your statement is the prime example of this perpetuate.

Bush has done more than any President ever, to help the African continent. The press, nor anyone in the minority special interest groups so much as gave him a thank you for it.

Most of what you say is true. with 90 plus percent of the black vote going to BO, you can pretty much assume their vote. GW, did do some good things in Africa, but to no good effect. The Hispanic vote is swinging to the Democrats too. If the perception of the GOP is that it's not diverse, that becomes the reality.

745 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:04:24pm
746 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:04:27pm

re: #723 ploome hineni

are you this poster?


my question was addressed to him

so you can relax

Oh, I'm just jumping in for the hell of it.

;)

747 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:05:08pm
748 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:05:26pm

re: #697 Sharmuta

It's been tossed about so flippantly that it has lost any significant meaning it may have once had. I tire of hearing that insult, and I grow tired of hearing from those who use it.

It's becoming like the over worn, catch-all insult "faggot". After a million iterations, it loses any sting it was intended to have.

749 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:05:27pm

re: #744 avanti

Most of what you say is true. with 90 plus percent of the black vote going to BO, you can pretty much assume their vote. GW, did do some good things in Africa, but to no good effect. The Hispanic vote is swinging to the Democrats too. If the perception of the GOP is that it's not diverse, that becomes the reality.

people will vote for whoever gives them free stuff...are you really this stupid?

750 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:06:25pm

re: #744 avanti

Most of what you say is true. with 90 plus percent of the black vote going to BO, you can pretty much assume their vote. GW, did do some good things in Africa, but to no good effect.

The aid to Africa pushed by Bush was to buy votes in the African-American community?

/projection

751 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:06:30pm
752 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:06:52pm

re: #743 Dark_Falcon

You are welcome. Feel free to repost those tactics where you please. I only ask that you properly quote me.

Roger that.

753 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:07:48pm

re: #742 Bloodnok

Unfortunately that's not true of the groups who preferred Huckabee over Romney in the primaries.

You have a good point there. The social aspects continue to be a split-factor for the party, but I suspect the current situation may erode some of that.

754 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:07:50pm

re: #729 avanti

So the polling showing the lack of support with the youth, Hispanics, blacks for the GOP is flawed ?

I don't think it is such that the Spanish, black, and youth do not support the Republicans but that they are drawn towards the Democratic party. Politics is a fickle business and it would take more than "a message" by the Republican party to attract more of these voting blocks. Typically this is accomplished by "bringing the bacon home" in traditional politics.

Any attempt to garner their support through gimmickry and rhetoric will have little effect. These party loyalties have been solidified over decades of social dynamics and cannot be changed overnight. In the end, action speaks louder than words.

755 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:07:56pm

re: #740 lobo91

I notice you didn't address the DNC's quota system for delegates.

Gotta have that "diversity for the TV cameras, right? White liberals, black liberals, asian liberals, gay liberals. Just make sure there's no diversity of thought or anything.

Can't have that, now.

But that diversity shows up in the polling and votes, not just on TV. It's not as if there are not a bunch of minorities in the base.

756 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:08:00pm

re: #751 ploome hineni

not really

muslims are here in USA to feed at our table

they are not here to integrate byt to dominate

every single muslim influenced state is a SHITHOLE

and that is the direct result of islamic culture

: D

757 LemonJoose  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:08:04pm

So would any of you consider George W. Bush a RINO because of his embrace of big government and lack of fiscal control?

758 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:08:50pm
759 Gretchen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:09:14pm

re: #72 ArmyWife
I've said that for years - better looking always wins:
Obama v. McCain
Bush v. Kerry
Bush v. Gore
Clinton v. Dole
Clinton v. Daddy Bush

It's been that way more or less for a long time.

I maintain George W. Bush sealed the deal in the last election after memo gate when the MSM showed the dog faced GI pixs of Kerry and the sexy pilot pix of young GW.

760 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:09:32pm

re: #710 The Shadow Do

that's pretty soft. You are voting with the Democrats or you are not. Not subjective. Pretty simple, really.

Bullshit. The term RINO is defined by the issuer of the insult, which is what makes it entirely subjective.

761 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:09:35pm

re: #753 VioletTiger

Take heart. I am a SoCon, but I can't stand Huckabee. He is a snake oil salesman.

Maybe I'll take a line from Sharmuta and define what "SoCon" means to people.

762 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:10:03pm

OT

Fresh off his fisticuffs in Lebanon, it's your favorite grouch

Watch What You Say

763 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:10:16pm

re: #731 doppelganglander

Maybe you should run for office. It sounds like you're a very effective communicator.

I take 'em in small chunks and just enjoy the hell out of it, DG'er. I LOVE it! You guys here have been a godsend for me. There's so much info here, so many facts, so many opinions that help me when I get rolling. I appreciate it more than you guys know. I spend most of my time on campus surrounded by that academic liberal mindset, which means I am not challenging the entitlement crowd, I am challenging the tax payers and the rich kids. Easier, in a way; some can be reached with rational arguments.

Run for office ..... I know, you're not the first to tell me that. I am considering it.

764 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:10:47pm

re: #757 LemonJoose
Ummmmm....No. Misguided yes. I don't use that term rino. Should say try not to. Snow and Collins have a knack for pissing me off. :)

765 Bobblehead  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:11:14pm

Check out the cover of the March 9th Weekly Standard. Couldn't be more fitting

766 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:11:21pm
767 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:11:24pm

re: #757 LemonJoose

So would any of you consider George W. Bush a RINO because of his embrace of big government and lack of fiscal control?

I believe a RINO changes their political party for advancement. We had a recent election for States Attorney. One candidate changed his political party four years ago to Rep. The other has been a Rep. their whole life. He changed his party to pander to voters, that imho is a RINO.

George Bush was not as conservative as he should have been. He is not a RINO. His ideas and tax cuts were pretty conservative, but the spending was out of control.

768 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:11:28pm

re: #757 LemonJoose

I think he was moderate, but not yet RINO (though he seemed headed that direction!). I couldn't stand his spending habits, supported his stance on taxes, supported his Military views, hated his prescription bill.

769 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:11:54pm

re: #755 avanti

But that diversity shows up in the polling and votes, not just on TV. It's not as if there are not a bunch of minorities in the base.

of course it does...it's all about handouts and socialism...are you dense?...why do you waste all these flowery words trying to hide what is obvious?....diversity means legislating to the select....you have it all backwords

770 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:11:57pm

re: #763 pink freud

maybe we run together!

771 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:12:02pm

Report: Obama Offers to Scrap Missile Shield If Russia Cooperates on Iran

President Obama offered to consider scrapping plans for a missile defense shield in Europe if Russia helps rein in Iran's nuclear program, the Russian newspaper Kommersant reported.

Geez, what could possibly go wrong with this plan?

/gas up the clown car, we're headed to Moscow for Peace In Our Time

772 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:12:14pm

re: #754 Gus 802

I don't think it is such that the Spanish, black, and youth do not support the Republicans but that they are drawn towards the Democratic party. Politics is a fickle business and it would take more than "a message" by the Republican party to attract more of these voting blocks. Typically this is accomplished by "bringing the bacon home" in traditional politics.

Any attempt to garner their support through gimmickry and rhetoric will have little effect. These party loyalties have been solidified over decades of social dynamics and cannot be changed overnight. In the end, action speaks louder than words.

I agree, you could win some of them back next cycle. i.e. you were doing pretty good with the Hispanics a few years back, and they are socially conservative, but lost them over the immigration debate.

773 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:12:38pm

re: #740 lobo91

It's all about appearance and how it makes ya feeeeeeell, doncha know.

774 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:12:45pm

re: #770 ArmyWife

maybe we run together!

YES
The Freud Army.

775 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:12:46pm
776 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:13:07pm

re: #771 Killian Bundy

Obama is out of his league and Putin knows it. Oh the laughs over vodka happening as we type.

777 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:13:19pm

re: #771 Killian Bundy
Goddamn! The fucking Russkies helped the mad mullahs build the frakkin' reactor!

778 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:13:20pm

re: #715 Sharmuta

Did you see this? I linked it last week for Killgore.

Can you give me the gist of it? I'll bookmark it for later consumption.

779 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:13:52pm

re: #755 avanti

But that diversity shows up in the polling and votes

/damn right it does

780 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:14:05pm

re: #744 avanti

Most of what you say is true. with 90 plus percent of the black vote going to BO, you can pretty much assume their vote. GW, did do some good things in Africa, but to no good effect. The Hispanic vote is swinging to the Democrats too. If the perception of the GOP is that it's not diverse, that becomes the reality.

Perception = Reality? Spoken like a true liberal.

781 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:14:13pm

re: #753 VioletTiger

You have a good point there. The social aspects continue to be a split-factor for the party, but I suspect the current situation may erode some of that.

I agree with you there. If the RNC would get out there and say something meaningful about the economy and show people they have ideas it would make things a lot easier. We know they can't DO much with the numbers they've got, but they need to start defining their ideas for the economy and make them theirs. Take certain options off Obama's table so that Republicans get the credit if/when they work. Do it now while the Dems and Obama are committed to the actions they've just taken.

782 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:14:27pm

re: #754 Gus 802

In my experience, it's not the actual "bacon" that gets the votes among the young, the minorities, etc. It's the LYING PROMISE of bacon that does it.
Every single Dem who has ever run (on a local level specifically, but applicable nationally) has promised to improve education, fill the potholes, balance the budget and bring all sorts of joy and money to the masses. Then they promise it again in 2 years. Then in 4. Then in 6. Then for-frickin'-ever like Kennedy, Kerry, et al.
Does anyone outside of the "system" ever benefit from these promises? Not that I've ever seen, but they sure as hell are dumb enough to keep voting for those who make them.

783 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:14:30pm

Good evening.

After another bloodbath in the market today, we are now down approximately 20% since Obama took office.

It has now been several weeks since the Boy Genius Tim Geithner threw up on his shoes and ran out of the room since becoming Treasury Secretary. The market will not turn around until he comes out with a plan that works to deal with the banking problem.

The problem is this:

1. The banks can not start lending like normal until they know how to value theri own assets.

2. They can't value their own assets until there is a market for the mortgage backed securities.

3. But there is no market for the mortgage backed securities cause the Treasury and the SEC keep sticking with the "Mark to Market" valuation model.

4. But instead of deal with this, Geithner has pretended to be otherwise busy doing "stress tests" of the banks, as if that accomplishes anything. This just sends a loud and clear signal to the market that he has no clue.

Look for the market to open on the positive side tomorrow as stocks are getting so freaking cheap now that there has to be a bit of a bounce just due to bargain hunting. Most of the short sellers I know of have covered their shorts now cause they figure that with the market dropping 11 of the last 12 sessions it's bound to go up a bit one of these days. But at the first sign of something else stupid coming from the White House, they will slam the market with more short sells.

But look for another large drop in the market yet again this week.

Lenin and Marx have taken over the White House.

784 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:14:34pm

re: #775 ploome hineni

help me out here

:D

I think they are baiting you. Sometimes you have to just smile and nod and back away slowly. But I agree, all you have to do is look at Europe. Duh.

785 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:13pm

re: #759 Gretchen

I've said that for years - better looking always wins:
Obama v. McCain
Bush v. Kerry
Bush v. Gore
Clinton v. Dole
Clinton v. Daddy Bush

It's been that way more or less for a long time.

I maintain George W. Bush sealed the deal in the last election after memo gate when the MSM showed the dog faced GI pixs of Kerry and the sexy pilot pix of young GW.

Let us hope Brad Pitt stays out of politics.

786 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:22pm

re: #745 ploome hineni

Well your response is classically clueless and could not be further from reality.

The point I am making was that being a conservative has to be broader than the traditional "returning to Judeo-Christian values" position.

There is no return.

We are dealing with a population (not just Muslims) who do not hold nor ever held any Judeo-Christian values. While Bobby Jindal's conversion is remarkable I have a hard time believing that the GOP is going to make any electoral inroads via conversion to Christianity. Now having said that, my issue is wether there is a place in the conservative movement for Muslims. Under the points that SanFranciscoZionist made upthread, I clearly think it is possible. But if you and other like minded people are going to continue to view all Muslims as extremist Islamist then I think we will only server to eventually marginalize ourselves out of existence.

787 swamprat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:26pm

re: #757 LemonJoose

Oh yeah. Many of us. Not me though.

788 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:26pm

re: #776 ArmyWife
Putin and his bunch will slaughter obambi and his crew like baby seals. The negotiations will be a joke.

789 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:27pm

re: #770 ArmyWife

maybe we run together!

We definitely are on the same page from what I see of your posts. I'm in Louisiana, where are you?

790 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:40pm

re: #783 3 wood

Did you mean Curly and Larry?

791 monkeytime  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:58pm

re: #709 topazpilot

Okay, so on a whim I decided to take a stroll through the sewer known as the liberal blogosphere. You know what I found? Not one single sentence devoted to the free falling stock market. Oh, if the DOW dipped half a point when Bush was in office they were declaring it the worst dip since 1929, but now that their golden messiah sits upon the ivory throne there is...crickets.

What are they talking about? Some pseudo rift between Michael Steele and Rush Limbaugh. A rift they are desperately trying to create hoping that if a lie is repeated often enough then it becomes true. It's amusing that all the scummy liberal blogs are bleating almost verbatim, which leads me to believe that they are getting their talking points from somewhere up high. Rahmbo strikes again!

As a sidenote, I find it amusing that they are trying to create these rifts amongst conservatives. First it was Rush vs. Newt, now Steele vs. Rush. It's like their trying to sow dissension in the ranks and obscure the reality happening around us. What would that be? Oh yeah, the crumbling stock market that is occurring under the watch of the Golden One.

What I'm wondering is why the give a damn what Rush thinks/says or anything else. I've never spent a minute listening to NPR, watching MSNBC, watching John Stewart and The View. I could give two shits if Katie Couric said that Rahm was a jerk or whatever. Why are the libs so interested in every word from Rush's mouth all of the sudden. I think they must be boosting his ratings. He must be laughing his ass off.

792 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:15:58pm

re: #757 LemonJoose

So would any of you consider George W. Bush a RINO because of his embrace of big government and lack of fiscal control?

I would say he is closer to a RINO than a conservative. He was similar to his father in that regard. The Dems want bipartisan government? They just had 8 years of it from GWB. He actually wanted to work with them (much to my chagrin and anger at times too). What we have now is a "open up your mouth and get ready to receive" type of Bipartisan President. I challenge any Dem to show how Obama is more bipartisan than Bush. On Iraq and the GWOT perhaps? At least he let the Dems have their say and let them vote on it. Obama is a demigod bent on forcing his radical vision on the USA. And, when the Republicans complain, they are label "divisive" and not interested in bipartisan governance.

793 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:16:13pm

re: #778 Slumbering Behemoth

Bookmarking it for later is fine. You'll enjoy it.

794 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:16:22pm

re: #772 avanti

I agree, you could win some of them back next cycle. i.e. you were doing pretty good with the Hispanics a few years back, and they are socially conservative, but lost them over the immigration debate.

In Texas, the most vocal opponents of ILLEGAL ALIENS are American citizens who happen to be Hispanic.

"Immigration debate" my Aunt Fanny. If you're here illegally, you broke the law. Helluva way to start out as a "contributing member of society".

What if your new neighbor installed a meth lab? Would you excuse him to me as a "independent chemist"? Then don't use "immigration debate" as a euphemism for arguments over illegal aliens. It's beyond facile and into insulting.

795 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:17:05pm

re: #789 pink freud

People's Republic of Maryland. But seriously, seriously entertaining a job offer which will relo me to the Richmond, VA area.

796 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:17:23pm

re: #776 ArmyWife

Obama is out of his league and Putin knows it. Oh the laughs over vodka happening as we type.

Putie's man-boobs are much cuter than Obama's.

If you ask me, a man should have some hair on his chest.

797 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:17:44pm
798 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:17:49pm
799 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:18:06pm

re: #760 Slumbering Behemoth

Bullshit. The term RINO is defined by the issuer of the insult, which is what makes it entirely subjective.

Makes it an epithet, not a definition.

800 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:18:18pm

re: #791 monkeytime

They care because Rush is right and makes sense. They can't have him taken seriously least the sheeple figure out they've been duped.

801 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:18:30pm

re: #779 Killian Bundy

/damn right it does

Yea, that tape won over some minority votes.

802 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:18:30pm

re: #794 OldLineTexan

In Texas, the most vocal opponents of ILLEGAL ALIENS are American citizens who happen to be Hispanic.

"Immigration debate" my Aunt Fanny. If you're here illegally, you broke the law. Helluva way to start out as a "contributing member of society".

What if your new neighbor installed a meth lab? Would you excuse him to me as a "independent chemist"? Then don't use "immigration debate" as a euphemism for arguments over illegal aliens. It's beyond facile and into insulting.

the very same here in NM....

803 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:19:14pm

re: #795 ArmyWife

I hope that goes well for you.

804 ciaospirit  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:19:16pm

Saw Michelle O on the cover of People mag. Was wondering why she is wearing a hot pink lace overlay hooker dress.

805 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:19:32pm

re: #761 ArmyWife

Take heart. I am a SoCon, but I can't stand Huckabee. He is a snake oil salesman.

Maybe I'll take a line from Sharmuta and define what "SoCon" means to people.

That would be a good discussion. I am very fiscally conservative and conservative on many, but not all social issues. I really would not know where I stood against the "SoCon" standard, if there is such a thing. I would certainly prefer Romney to Huckabee if that's any measure.

806 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:19:59pm

re: #798 Iron Fist

Dude, some of my ancestors were Cherokee. In light of their experience with some of those immigrants, well, allowing come as you are immigration might not have exactly been a plan I'd have reccommended.

As were some of mine (mother's side).

807 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:20:10pm

re: #781 Bloodnok

I agree with you there. If the RNC would get out there and say something meaningful about the economy and show people they have ideas it would make things a lot easier. We know they can't DO much with the numbers they've got, but they need to start defining their ideas for the economy and make them theirs. Take certain options off Obama's table so that Republicans get the credit if/when they work. Do it now while the Dems and Obama are committed to the actions they've just taken.

The time is now to form fiscal policy that can move the electorate in 2 and 4 years. If things keep going like this, there will be a lot of people looking for alternate and viable solutions to send to Washington.

808 swamprat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:20:18pm

re: #771 Killian Bundy


Criminy! Why don't we call all the former satellite nations to a conference, take their envoys into a room, and kick each and every one square in the nuts! Might as well get it over with, you know?

809 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:20:46pm

re: #797 ploome hineni

the SanFran idiot is amazing

and the other onem just a young Achmed

thinks that muslims have something to contribute ....like honor killings,and intimidating us and demaning respect

why does America have no problem like this with any other immagrant

this muslim situation is a fucking nightmare

My ex is German. His mom goes back quite often. Its bad there. Bad in France, Bad in Britain. It's bad because their unwillingness to live and let live. They want special treatment, special laws, special this and special that.

810 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:21:46pm

re: #796 Alouette

Not a hairy chest fan here - not sure what to think of either one's chest in terms of cute. I think Putin is sexy because he is just so damn smart and uses it for evil. Obama just reminds me of a bumbling bafoon.

So, save this post because when Pink Frued and I run, the headline can read "ArmyWife is a Commie! She Thinks Evil Putin is Sexy!"

811 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:21:54pm

re: #744 avanti

There in lies the rub. Nothing in the Constitution is based upon race, nor diversity.

Your whole argument, is the democrat playbook for chumming the political waters.

I base my vote not upon the kaleidescope of the constituency, but the of the true black and white.

If the country ever decides to right itself, and get back to arguing ideas as opposed to sound bites, this whole concept of politically correct poker will have no meaning.

I see your professional black female, and raise you 2 migrant south americans.

812 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:22:13pm

re: #801 avanti

Yea, that tape won over some minority votes.

millions of voters are stupid or willfully ignorant....you need to hit the books and learn what liberalism is...you get hung up slitting hairs and the obvious reality flies right over your head...pardon me for sounding harsh

813 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:22:24pm

Bad Bank' Funding Plan Starts to Get Fleshed Out

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration, filling in some of the blanks in its bank bailout, is considering creating multiple investment funds to purchase the bad loans and other distressed assets that lie at the heart of the financial crisis, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Obama team announced its intention to partner with the private sector to buy $500 billion to $1 trillion of distressed assets as part of its revamping of the $700 billion bank bailout last month. It's central to the administration's efforts to unglue credit markets, alongside a Federal Reserve program aimed at spurring consumer lending in areas such as credit cards and home loans that will be officially launched Tuesday.

No decision has been made on the final structure of what the administration is calling a private-public financing partnership, but one leading idea is to establish separate funds to be run by private investment managers. The managers would have to put up a certain amount of capital. Additional financing would come from the government, which would share in any profit or loss.

But Obama and crew are still ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room, which is how to price these assets.

814 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:22:24pm

re: #800 ArmyWife

I'm beginning to think that myself.
He's not nearly the ogre that I often hear him described as. I tuned out Rush after Clinton/Lewinsky and have only recently decided to check him out again. He strikes me as being a lot more self-deprecating than when I first heard him on AFN years ago.
Marginalizing/eliminating Rush is the next big thing on the MSM agenda now that they've succeeded in installing their pet President.

815 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:22:39pm
816 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:23:08pm

re: #762 Desert Dog

OT

Fresh off his fisticuffs in Lebanon, it's your favorite grouch

Watch What You Say

Great read, as always. The atheism is a bit grating, but the point is spot-on.

817 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:23:23pm

re: #810 ArmyWife

Not a hairy chest fan here - not sure what to think of either one's chest in terms of cute. I think Putin is sexy because he is just so damn smart and uses it for evil. Obama just reminds me of a bumbling bafoon.

So, save this post because when Pink Frued and I run, the headline can read "ArmyWife is a Commie! She Thinks Evil Putin is Sexy!"

oh man. I don't feel guilty for my lusty feelings for him anymore. LOL

818 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:23:32pm

re: #766 ploome hineni

did you have anything to say?

I've said it. You are free to respond or ignore it.

819 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:23:48pm
820 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:23:55pm

re: #803 pink freud

Me too. Big decision!

That just means we need to run for national office, though. Why the heck not? We are more qualified than the person currently running our country!

821 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:24:09pm

re: #780 pink freud

Perception = Reality? Spoken like a true liberal.

Thanks, I do my best. If you don't think that a voters perception shapes their real world vote, you are doomed as a party.

822 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:24:17pm

re: #810 ArmyWife

Not a hairy chest fan here - not sure what to think of either one's chest in terms of cute. I think Putin is sexy because he is just so damn smart and uses it for evil. Obama just reminds me of a bumbling bafoon.

So, save this post because when Pink Frued and I run, the headline can read "ArmyWife is a Commie! She Thinks Evil Putin is Sexy!"

Nixon's "Pink Lady" lives!

823 swamprat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:24:23pm

re: #757 LemonJoose


Well there go some assumptions...Btw, we are not all rich, or white, or Christian, or democrat, or American ,or ......you get the idea.

824 jaunte  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:24:33pm

re: #800 ArmyWife

They care because Rush is right and makes sense. They can't have him taken seriously least the sheeple figure out they've been duped.

At my office there are people I think of as the 'bulletin board screechers' because they write hysterical graffitti over postings on the coffee room board.
A recent printout of the stock market dive was written over with a screed about 'Mindless drones following Rush Limbaugh's marching orders.' As if he was responsible for the market dip. It does seem that there is a lot of concern among the left about what he says, and a need to preemptively disparage it.

825 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:24:33pm

re: #790 ArmyWife

Did you mean Curly and Larry?

That might be an apt comparison, except for the clear damage these clowns are doing to our economy and our nation.

At a time when we need as much capital formation as possible, they want to raise taxes.

Hoover tried that in 1930.

It did not work out well.

826 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:25:03pm

re: #685 NYCHardhat

The worst Rino I can think of: McCain.

Do the names Snowe, Collins, and Specter even make it into the running?

827 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:25:06pm

re: #757 LemonJoose

Most definitely.

While he did give tax cuts, he also acquiesced on some major spending.

828 Bobblehead  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:25:30pm

re: #804 ciaospirit

Saw Michelle O on the cover of People mag. Was wondering why she is wearing a hot pink lace overlay hooker dress.

Obviously you didn't get the message. She is America's new style icon.
/

829 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:25:48pm

Chris Tingle predicts Obama failure:

In a long monologue on “Hardball” decrying the Senate’s 60-vote requirement for passing legislation, Chris Matthews predicted legislation on energy, healthcare and education would fail to pass Congress this year – and offered a dire prognosis for the Obama administration.

“My bet in the end is the system will bring down Obama,” Matthews said. “Not the Republicans – the system.”

-----

No, not the fact that he is inexperienced, naive, a socialist, an arrogant idiot, and all the rest. The system. Right Chris, carry on.

830 SteveC  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:25:51pm

re: #810 ArmyWife

Obama just reminds me of a bumbling bafoon.

Obama reminds me of the hell on wheels Heisman Trophy winner who never amounted to much in the pros. He can't deal with the fact that up here in the bigs, everybody is a stud.

831 ciaospirit  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:26:17pm

re: #813 3 wood

The Obama team announced its intention to partner with the private sector

Until the O team can take over completely.

832 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:26:23pm

re: #821 avanti

Thanks, I do my best. If you don't think that a voters perception shapes their real world vote, you are doomed as a party.

I would rather be doomed than a mindless drooler Obot

833 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:26:36pm

re: #821 avanti

Thanks, I do my best. If you don't think that a voters perception the main stream media shapes their real world vote, you are doomed as a party.

834 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:26:45pm

re: #783 3 wood

Thank you for your regular updates, 3 wood. Even though the news is not so great these days, I look forward to reading your posts every morning.

835 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:27:32pm

re: #798 Iron Fist

Dude, some of my ancestors were Cherokee. In light of their experience with some of those immigrants, well, allowing come as you are immigration might not have exactly been a plan I'd have reccommended.

Entirely agreed, however if I pointed out that the United States is a product of racist genocide from its earliest days, I suspect people around here might think I was a liberal or commie or something...

/only mildly

836 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:27:38pm

re: #829 Shr_Nfr

THE SYSTEM? THE SYSTEM?

Note to Obama: Now YOU are Mr. Charlie, i.e. The Man.

/how you like me now?

837 freetoken  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:27:44pm

re: #726 FloridaAnole

[...] this should not not be an issue, any more than Romney's Mormonism should be an issue.

But Romney's Mormonism was an issue (e.g., his special trip to TX to give a speech about his beliefs)... which is the point, really. The libertarian monetary and fiscal policy folk are turning out to be somewhat immiscible with the SoCons, over time.

838 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:27:53pm

I though I could survive longer in the Obama era. I'm thinking about swallowing some serious pride and contacting a former employer for some pick up work. I'm really bummed out. If my ex-boss turns me down I'm going to have to stock shelves at a grocery store or something. I went to grad school for this. Ugh

839 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:27:59pm
840 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:28:06pm

re: #810 ArmyWife

Not a hairy chest fan here - not sure what to think of either one's chest in terms of cute. I think Putin is sexy because he is just so damn smart and uses it for evil. Obama just reminds me of a bumbling bafoon.

So, save this post because when Pink Frued and I run, the headline can read "ArmyWife is a Commie! She Thinks Evil Putin is Sexy!"

Of all the world leaders today, I think Bibi is hottest.

841 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:28:37pm

re: #786 unclassifiable

Well your response is classically clueless and could not be further from reality.

The point I am making was that being a conservative has to be broader than the traditional "returning to Judeo-Christian values" position.

There is no return.

We are dealing with a population (not just Muslims) who do not hold nor ever held any Judeo-Christian values. While Bobby Jindal's conversion is remarkable I have a hard time believing that the GOP is going to make any electoral inroads via conversion to Christianity. Now having said that, my issue is wether there is a place in the conservative movement for Muslims. Under the points that SanFranciscoZionist made upthread, I clearly think it is possible. But if you and other like minded people are going to continue to view all Muslims as extremist Islamist then I think we will only server to eventually marginalize ourselves out of existence.

here's the issue, moslems who come here segregate themselves into neighborhoods and enclaves and do not want to integrate into an american melting pot.
if they do, they become apostates. which is fine
but it seems impossible for moslems to embrace our values and remain true to their own,
islam is not here to be equal but to dominate.
even 'moderate' moslems have problems assimilating.
look at the 'moderate' who cut his wife's head off a few wks. ago
because she want a divorce. her right under the american legal system.

842 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:28:59pm

re: #838 Killgore Trout

I though I could survive longer in the Obama era. I'm thinking about swallowing some serious pride and contacting a former employer for some pick up work. I'm really bummed out. If my ex-boss turns me down I'm going to have to stock shelves at a grocery store or something. I went to grad school for this. Ugh

They'll tell you you're over-qualified.

843 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:29:42pm

re: #842 Sharmuta

Yeah, I'll probably leave my masters degree off my resume.

844 monkeytime  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:29:46pm

re: #800 ArmyWife

They care because Rush is right and makes sense. They can't have him taken seriously least the sheeple figure out they've been duped.

Oh I'm sure. They wouldn't be gunnin so hard for him if they didn't find him scary. I just want them to know - that we know why they care.

845 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:29:56pm

re: #825 3 wood

So, we blew past market support today and they can't go to zero without total societal collapse and possibly open insurrection.

IMO, we're into irrational self-fulfilling prophesy territory here.

/how low will the DJIA go?

846 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:30:21pm

re: #804 ciaospirit

Saw Michelle O on the cover of People mag. Was wondering why she is wearing a hot pink lace overlay hooker dress.

Her taste in clothing is a little weird.

847 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:30:22pm

re: #813 3 wood

They get priced when the guys sell them to the bad bank. The bad bank(s) will bid. If the guys who have the glow in the dark stuff don't want to sell at that price, they don't. Same way any market works. I offer you X, you can take it or give me a counter offer. We can haggle. You don't like my price, try the guy next door. I was virtually a market maker in National Presto for a couple of months many years ago. The specialist was just as happy that he didn't have to risk his capital.

848 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:30:35pm
849 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:30:35pm

re: #786 unclassifiable

You surely could admit, quite a bit of this country's inspiration in her founding is drawn from that foundation.

British Common Law?

850 ciaospirit  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:30:45pm

re: #838 Killgore Trout

I though I could survive longer in the Obama era. I'm thinking about swallowing some serious pride and contacting a former employer for some pick up work. I'm really bummed out. If my ex-boss turns me down I'm going to have to stock shelves at a grocery store or something. I went to grad school for this. Ugh

That's what you get for not being a minority.

Seriously, I hope it works out. That's an awful situation to be in.

851 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:03pm

re: #846 SanFranciscoZionist

For her own good, we should knit her a sweater.

852 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:08pm
Saw Michelle O on the cover of People mag. Was wondering why she is wearing a hot pink lace overlay hooker dress.


Man you have some conservative hookers near you. My wife commented that it looks like she shops at Target like she does. That's a casual house dress for DC or Chicago for that matter.

853 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:35pm

re: #843 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I'll probably leave my masters degree off my resume.

Management doesn't like potential competition in the ranks.

854 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:38pm

re: #835 SanFranciscoZionist

Entirely agreed, however if I pointed out that the United States is a product of racist genocide from its earliest days, I suspect people around here might think I was a liberal or commie or something...

/only mildly

opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

855 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:41pm

re: #837 freetoken

But Romney's Mormonism was an issue (e.g., his special trip to TX to give a speech about his beliefs)... which is the point, really. The libertarian monetary and fiscal policy folk are turning out to be somewhat immiscible with the SoCons, over time.

It was. Agreed. Should it be? Isn't it hard to believe that Rev Wright's church was okay and everyone pats themselves on the back for electing the first black president, and looking forward to electing the first woman, and how great it was that we overcame our bias enough in the 60's to elect JFK the Catholic, but a Mormon is an untouchable?

856 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:43pm

re: #843 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I'll probably leave my masters degree off my resume.

Heh. I hit that point once.

Scientists ask "Why?"
Engineers ask "How?"
AEROSPACE engineers ask "You want fries with that?"

857 ciaospirit  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:48pm

re: #846 SanFranciscoZionist

Her taste in clothing is a little weird.

Weird? The MSM would never let it go if another First Lady dressed like that. It's embarrassing.

858 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:53pm

re: #712 Bloodnok

IMO the most fiscal minded Conservative can be cast as a RINO if he/she votes the other way on almost any pressing issue of the day. It is a pejorative.

That's what I mean when I say the term is subjective. You defined the term RINO, IYO. Other folks will define it in their own terms, which may not come anywhere close to resembling yours.

I am a registered republican, and hereby declare myself a RINO. Why? Because it is the only viable party that I can identify myself with based on my conservative principles, yet many of that party's adherents and representatives do not champion or uphold the values and positions that consider to be truly conservative. And until a there is a viable party that tacks more closely to my conservative values, or the GOP begins to do so, I will remain a RINO.

It should also be noted that what I consider to be truly conservative in the way of values and political positions is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE.

859 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:31:53pm

‘New Europe’ Longs for Bush as Obama Turns Focus to EU, Russia

March 2 (Bloomberg) -- Eastern European governments that ran political risks to support former President George W. Bush’s security policies are now concerned that his successor, Barack Obama, will backtrack on those regional commitments.

Leaders in the Czech Republic, Poland and other former communist nations face a backlash at home over their support of Bush-era initiatives, including the proposed U.S. missile- defense system and troop participation in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, concern is growing in eastern Europe that it will be put on “the back burner” as the Obama administration talks about working with Russia and western Europe on issues such as Iran, says Annette Heuser, executive director of the Bertelsmann Foundation, a policy group in Washington.

But I thought the Messiah was going to make everything alright.

I'm not surprised Obama is going to cozy up to Russia. He's just being true to his Marxist philosophy.

860 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:32:00pm

re: #821 avanti

But the "voter perceptions" are often steered by propagandists and dolts. The job of conservatives is to make sure that voters realize that people who think like you have no answers, no skills and no future.
They don't learn History in school, so it's up to conservatives to teach them.

861 freetoken  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:32:17pm

re: #786 unclassifiable


There is no return.

This really needs to be repeated more often.

862 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:32:49pm

re: #831 ciaospirit

Until the O team can take over completely.

Like when the Soviet Union decided to partner with parts of Germany.

863 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:32:50pm

re: #674 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought that this was about the conscience of the individual. Are we allowed to override the conscience of the individual for some things but not others?

Well, that's a good question.
In my mind, if a "conscience" clause is reasonable to allow people to refuse services, then it should be reasonable for all.

Anyone who might be likely to invoke a "conscience" clause in the performance of their duties should let their employer know ahead of time. The employer can then decide whether or not to hire the person.

864 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:33:45pm

re: #853 Sharmuta

Management doesn't like potential competition in the ranks.

they put you in charge of beans and the next thing you know you're taking over the whole veggie isle

865 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:33:45pm

re: #859 3 wood

‘New Europe’ Longs for Bush as Obama Turns Focus to EU, Russia

But I thought the Messiah was going to make everything alright.

I'm not surprised Obama is going to cozy up to Russia. He's just being true to his Marxist philosophy.

Eastern Europe? Did you say EASTERN EUROPE? Under the bus with them! It was nice knowing you former Warsaw Pact countries.....see you again once we get a real President...

866 SteveC  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:33:55pm

re: #845 Killian Bundy

So, we blew past market support today and they can't go to zero without total societal collapse and possibly open insurrection.

The CNBC crew was chewing nails today. Larry Kudlow just freakin' exploded!

867 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:02pm

re: #848 Iron Fist

Love the avatar. Somehow, I don't think you are going to be getting that unicorn. Try and contain your dissappointment in the One. Think of all those Leftists who voted for him because he promised to lose the Iraq war in thirty days. They must be feeling betrayed right about now...

I know. A local liberal periodical had "Impeach Obama" as a headline because of the recent bombings in the middle east.

If you have a twisted sense of humor, (and i think you do) put in "planet unicorn" on youtube. It is very bizarre.

868 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:06pm
869 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:11pm

re: #815 ploome hineni

I have not deluded myself at all.

I simply open my eyes and see. I open my ears and hear.

I know I got it wrong with you.

Whatever group you have aligned yourself with (if any at all) I want no part of it.

I guess you have no hope for Iraq. They will return to being brutal Islamist and the whole Iraq war was a folly to you.

There is only one kind of Muslim to you where I see many types.

I am not even sure what you would say bout the Irish coming out of the shithole that was 19th century Ireland, or Eastern Europeans trying to escape the misery of communism.

But from your little display tonight I got a pretty damn good idea.

870 G'day Mate  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:33pm

Jindal is a trained biologist and a Rhodes scholar yet he allows creationist loonies to interfere in education policy......WTF?

871 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:44pm

Driving home from work today, I was behind a BMW with an
"Obama-'08" bumper sticker, along with a vanity license plate that read:
"FKD"

/you just can't make this shit up.

872 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:34:47pm

re: #809 bellamags

Add to that, some special interests, extremely well funded with petrodollars.

873 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:35:06pm

re: #809 bellamags

My ex is German. His mom goes back quite often. Its bad there. Bad in France, Bad in Britain. It's bad because their unwillingness to live and let live. They want special treatment, special laws, special this and special that.

They want to eliminate the resident culture and replace it with their own.

874 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:35:16pm
875 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:35:21pm

re: #853 Sharmuta

Management doesn't like potential competition in the ranks.

The times I have rejected over-qualified people have had more to do with not wanting to repeat the whole process in six months when he/she leaves. However, these were technical positions that required an investment on my part in training (time).

876 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:35:41pm

re: #843 Killgore Trout

HR advice that you didn't ask for, so feel free to ignore. Technically, they can't call you "over qualified" and not have given you the job. There is no such thing as "over qualified". You either meet the qualifications, or you don't. If you meet the qualifications and there is not some legitimate reason for the job not being offered to you (like a rap sheet a mile long), you should be offered the job. If you are over 40, you are a "protected class".

What you WILL hear is you weren't the "best" qualified and for that, I can't help you. I don't know what your master's is in, but our community college is always looking for part time professors in subjects like foreign language or arts. Perhaps you could look into something like that?

877 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:35:44pm

re: #870 G'day Mate

Jindal is a trained biologist and a Rhodes scholar yet he allows creationist loonies to interfere in education policy......WTF?

It is indeed very puzzling.

878 Aviator  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:34pm

re: #851 ArmyWife

For her own good, we should knit her a sweater.

Could you make the sleeves extra long so they can be buckled to leather straps on the back?

879 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:40pm

Catching up. Just a reminder that in the pre-civil war nativists fought to keep catholics out of the country because they thought all of them would have more loyalty to the pope than to the constitution. I'm glad they didn't succeed...I like it here. I think you can screen for immigration with your eyes open and with criteria that helps you limit the likelihood you're allowing in people who seek to harm Americans. But rejecting someone on strictly religious criteria seems extreme to me.

880 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:41pm

re: #838 Killgore Trout

I though I could survive longer in the Obama era. I'm thinking about swallowing some serious pride and contacting a former employer for some pick up work. I'm really bummed out. If my ex-boss turns me down I'm going to have to stock shelves at a grocery store or something. I went to grad school for this. Ugh

I'm sorry, KT. I'd help if I could.

881 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:51pm

re: #876 ArmyWife

. ..
What you WILL hear is you weren't the "best" qualified and for that, I can't help you. I don't know what your master's is in, but our community college is always looking for part time professors in subjects like foreign language or arts. Perhaps you could look into something like that?

Excellent advice!

882 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:58pm

re: #849 formercorpsman

Absolutely.

And those guys were not exactly with the official British declared version of Christianity. They had quite a few different ideas of what that meant. I think that is what finally drove a few of them to propose and ratify the First Amendment.

883 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:58pm

re: #834 Gort

Thank you for the kind words.

We are living through historic times. The MSM got a Marxist elected President and the market is crashing. The deficit in this new budget dwarfs the last 5 years.

I'm just trying to help folks understand what is going on.

884 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:37:40pm

re: #851 ArmyWife

For her own good, we should knit her a sweater.

A nice cardigan...

885 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:38:09pm

re: #847 Shr_Nfr

the bad bank

Worked in the late '70s, although the Obama crew doesn't seem to the stomach for anything that would actually help. But they'll double the deficit, increase the capital gains tax rate, and threaten to enact cap and trade without a second thought.

/HEY OBAMA, DO SOMETHING THAT HELPS AMERICA!

886 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:38:32pm
887 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:38:44pm

re: #771 Killian Bundy

It would make sense for the Russians to do a couple things. 1) They built the reactor(s), and could make good money REBUILDING the reactor(s). 2) They (Russia/China) sold Iran their AA defense system network. They could certainly sell them the upgraded version in 10 years once the mullahs dig themselves out of the rubble.

The Russian economy isn't exactly hitting on all cylinders right now either. Their long term vision could be enhanced by some near-sighted blindness.

888 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:38:45pm
889 Sosigado  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:38:51pm

re: #857 ciaospirit

Weird? The MSM would never let it go if another First Lady dressed like that. It's embarrassing.

I hear that in some fashion circles it's being referred to as Bolshevik Chic.

890 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:39:06pm

re: #865 Desert Dog

Eastern Europe? Did you say EASTERN EUROPE? Under the bus with them! It was nice knowing you former Warsaw Pact countries.....see you again once we get a real President...

Back during the Clinton years I used to have a tee-shirt with President Reagan's face on it that said "Remember when we had a real President?"

I'm predicting a come back for that shirt.

891 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:39:18pm

re: #820 ArmyWife

Me too. Big decision!

That just means we need to run for national office, though. Why the heck not? We are more qualified than the person currently running our country!

I dream about throwing my hat in against Senator Mary Landrieu. Not starting small with the school board or city council or even a state senator or representative. I think about going straight to the top. Then I think, "Hell, I have zero experience in politics." THEN I think, "Who would vote for me, a nobody?" THEN I think, "Good grief, they all must be as sick of the good-old-boy politicians as I am!" ......THEN I think, "Do I even want to tangle with that nest of vipers!?" .......and then, I think YES. 7-8 times out of ten, I think YES, I DO.

This is, after all, Louisiana politics. Look at Huey Long. Look at William Cao. He is a big inspiration to me. (He is the come-from-nowhere REPUBLICAN who took William Jefferson's U.S. House of Representatives DEMOCRAT seat in New Orleans. I am so proud of that man.)

892 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:39:35pm

re: #838 Killgore Trout

I though I could survive longer in the Obama era. I'm thinking about swallowing some serious pride and contacting a former employer for some pick up work. I'm really bummed out. If my ex-boss turns me down I'm going to have to stock shelves at a grocery store or something. I went to grad school for this. Ugh

Killgore I feel badly for you.
ArmyWife had a good idea that you could check out - would be better than stocking shelves at a grocery store.
Your difficulties are direct result of something I tried to point out the other night that you poked at me about . . . the spending of money by those who have it trickles down and we all benefit. Even when the spending seems to be frivolous.

893 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:39:52pm

re: #799 The Shadow Do

Makes it an epithet, not a definition.

I said as much when I called it a pejorative, an insult. What you seem incapable of understanding is how it's definition is strictly in the eye of the beholder, and thus subjective.

You have your way of defining RINO, Bloodnok has his/hers, and I have presented mine in #858. All different opinions based on the observers point of view. Subjective.

894 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:39:53pm

re: #857 ciaospirit

Weird? The MSM would never let it go if another First Lady dressed like that. It's embarrassing.

I've decided that with everything else going on these days, I cannot get too excited about Michelle's dress taste. Either the handlers will make her tone it down, or they won't. If they don't, I get to go on looking at the paper and muttering "What is she THINKING"? Either way...

895 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:40:00pm

re: #883 3 wood

Thank you for the kind words.

We are living through historic times. The MSM got a Marxist elected President and the market is crashing. The deficit in this new budget dwarfs the last 5 years.

I'm just trying to help folks understand what is going on.

3 Wood, you are a voice of reason and someone whose comments I enjoy reading to get perspective on what the markets are doing. Keep up the excellent work; the Lizard nation is much better off with your daily advice and insights.

896 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:40:00pm

re: #886 taxfreekiller

PPPO

Peter Principle President Obama.

He rose to his level of incompetence when he left "associate professor" and went to the Illinois legislature.

897 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:40:18pm

re: #884 SanFranciscoZionist

A nice cardigan...

She likes her arms.
Her arms are receiving praise for being so nice and toned.
It's all she's got.

898 SteveC  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:40:48pm

re: #883 3 wood

I'm just trying to help folks understand what is going on.

We're getting screwed on odd numbered days. On even numbered days, we get taken to the woodshed. And on Sundays we get both.

Am I understanding correctly?

899 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:40:59pm

re: #864 albusteve

they put you in charge of beans and the next thing you know you're taking over the whole veggie isle

Then FBV shows up, you swing a six-figure deal, and ZAP! you're district produce manager working out deals to produce cello squash.

/

900 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:41:56pm

re: #821 avanti

Thanks, I do my best. If you don't think that a voters perception shapes their real world vote, you are doomed as a party.

One last time, avanti. We are NOT doomed as a party. Quit saying it or go play in the echo chamber at Kos. I did not say that I think that voters' perception does or does not shape their real world view, I made a challenge to YOUR statement that perception is reality. IT IS NOT.

901 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:06pm

re: #891 pink freud

I have a great friend who lives in LA. I'd get him to vote for you! He is a site director for a large plant there, if you get serious, email me. He'd be one to talk to so you can support manufacturing and business. He is near New Orleans. Oh, and I have connections from my current job at another plant in Lake Charles. That can be your second stop.

902 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:20pm
903 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:29pm

I believe the challenge, by Sharmuta, was to provide a definition. When one is elected as an R but votes as a D then one may fairly be categorized as a RINO, no? Perhaps another word would be more acceptable, moderate R? maverick?re: #835 SanFranciscoZionist

Entirely agreed, however if I pointed out that the United States is a product of racist genocide from its earliest days, I suspect people around here might think I was a liberal or commie or something...

/only mildly

SFZ, the Indian wars were particularly nasty but you should be aware that it was brutal warfare on both sides fed by generations of conflict. This is not to excuse any excesses, it just was so and terribly regrettable. Indian atrocities are never explored nor accepted in conversation any more than candid discussions of our current enemies.

904 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:31pm

re: #863 reine.de.tout

Well, that's a good question.
In my mind, if a "conscience" clause is reasonable to allow people to refuse services, then it should be reasonable for all.

Anyone who might be likely to invoke a "conscience" clause in the performance of their duties should let their employer know ahead of time. The employer can then decide whether or not to hire the person.

That, I think, is a reasonable way to handle it...I really don't think that any health practitioner should be forced to do something they find unconscionable, but I worry about women's access to health care, if a health provider has an unassailable right to say 'no' to drugs and procedures they oppose.

905 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:53pm
906 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:55pm

a hit at Rush:


Let’s be blunt: Democrats wish Rush to be the face of the Republican Party, because he is not good at television or public orations. After all, Rush tried television and failed.

Republicans lost young adults this election. Rush is not the right guy to get them back.

Three reasons (in no particular order):

Like it or not, people in this demographic are sensitive about issues of race. Rush comes across as a boor on the topic. His racism section in the speech is embarrassing.

Second, Rush is bad at “uplift” in his speeches. He sounds angry when he means to be positive. That is bad in the college age demographic.

Third, Rush has too little sense of irony. His bluster may be ironic, but a good many people miss the joke. See Shatner, William for someone who knows how to do it better . . . but even then who wouldn’t be delighted on the right if Bill Shatner, entertainer, become the image of the Democratic Party?

Rush is a great, great entertainer. He is the best at a certain kind of talk radio ever, but he is a shallow thinker who often fails to practice what he preaches.

As such he is a bad public face for the conservative movement.

907 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:42:57pm

re: #866 SteveC

The CNBC crew was chewing nails today. Larry Kudlow just freakin' exploded!

Hey, at this point, every day the markets go lower, more and more Americans have to reconsider their daily existence, let alone their retirement.

/there will be a tipping point and it draws ever closer

908 swamprat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:43:00pm

re: #786 unclassifiable

Well your response is classically clueless and could not be further from reality.

The point I am making was that being a conservative has to be broader than the traditional "returning to Judeo-Christian values" position.

There is no return.

We are dealing with a population (not just Muslims) who do not hold nor ever held any Judeo-Christian values. While Bobby Jindal's conversion is remarkable I have a hard time believing that the GOP is going to make any electoral inroads via conversion to Christianity. Now having said that, my issue is wether there is a place in the conservative movement for Muslims. Under the points that SanFranciscoZionist made upthread, I clearly think it is possible. But if you and other like minded people are going to continue to view all Muslims as extremist Islamist then I think we will only server to eventually marginalize ourselves out of existence.

I welcome any fiscally conservative, pro-America, non-violent, non-racist individuals to this thread. Those who fit all but the "fiscally conservative" part, I will conditionally still welcome, though I will try to educate.
I resent any and all racist implications directed at this blog.

909 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:43:03pm

re: #838 Killgore Trout

Sorry about your turn of events.

I hope something works out for you.

910 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:44:41pm
911 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:44:45pm

re: #874 ploome hineni

can my concience tell me not to employ a muslim?

You know what - I don't rightly know that!

I'm thinking it's probably not legal to not hire somebody based solely on their religion. However, most employers can be very creative in finding job-related reasons why a different applicant was a better choice.

912 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:44:47pm

re: #890 3 wood

Back during the Clinton years I used to have a tee-shirt with President Reagan's face on it that said "Remember when we had a real President?"

I'm predicting a come back for that shirt.

I'd buy one

913 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:44:47pm

re: #882 unclassifiable

But I think it is fair to say, despite it not really being popular anymore, this country really does have her roots in judeo-christian value system.

The founders had enough foresight, via hindsight, to see examples of corruptibility, and did there best to provide against that in the Constitution.

Too many sides try to angle history to fit their own version of the future.

914 mich-again  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:44:50pm

Ingenuity is the way out.

915 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:45:37pm

Just got off the phone with a RNC kid. They need to get grownups to man the phones.

916 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:45:51pm

re: #908 swamprat

I resent any and all racist implications directed at this blog.

Muslim is not a race, therefore I believe I'm in the clear with my bigotry.

917 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:46:31pm

re: #841 nyc redneck

He got caught under the American legal system and he will get punished under that legal system.

I don't like Aztecs either (if any of them are thinking about making a come back).

I am not denying that assimilation is harder for Muslims given their background. But I will deny that it is impossible.

918 jelo  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:46:37pm

So speaking of race relations, Eric....here I'm watching Greta. She is doing her thing about the "missing boaters" of which two are African American and the other a presumably European white American.

In the cameo shots of the "missing boaters", the black dudes look like thugs...pics from the "big house" mug shots and the white dude is smiling like a doped-up surfer dude.

So who else notices this and who set this up? Surely Greta and her producer must know of the "shock and awe" when they flash the cameo's on the screen.

Do the black dudes never smile? Have they never had a picture of them with a smile on their face? Can't find one on file in the vast resources of the digital libraries? What gives? Where's "Rev" (ha) Al?

Then again, what's up with the portrayal of the white dude as "Spiocli"?

I say, ya just can't win in this pc world...

919 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:47:17pm

re: #904 SanFranciscoZionist

That, I think, is a reasonable way to handle it...I really don't think that any health practitioner should be forced to do something they find unconscionable, but I worry about women's access to health care, if a health provider has an unassailable right to say 'no' to drugs and procedures they oppose.

No one right now is "stuck" with only one health provider. Right now, people have choices and can go to the providers of their choice, and can change providers if they don't like the one they have.

I'm not so sure this freedom to choose among providers for your own personal healthcare would be available to us if there were substantial changes to our system, say, like, the creation of a national health care system.

920 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:47:36pm

re: #895 Jetpilot1101

3 Wood, you are a voice of reason and someone whose comments I enjoy reading to get perspective on what the markets are doing. Keep up the excellent work; the Lizard nation is much better off with your daily advice and insights.

Thank you for the very kind words.

To put it in a nutshell, for about a decade we priced "risk" at almost zero. Now we have gone the other way and priced risk at almost an infinite price. At the same time we have people in charge who only know how to spend money.

Obama is close to ruining his administration and I don't think he realizes it. Wait until the double digit inflation hits and see how his left wing buddies like him then.

921 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:47:43pm

re: #903 The Shadow Do

Like Iron Fist, I also have some native bloodlines.

Native Americans also took each other as slaves.

Sioux were pretty vicious as well.

922 Stonemason  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:47:44pm

re: #889 Sosigado

I hear that in some fashion circles it's being referred to as Bolshevik Chic.

My wife, genteel southerner that she is, is still ranting about the sleeveless dress. Called it classless.
Being a guy, I don't really care what she wore, I don't like her because she admitted that she spent most of her life disliking this country, and only became proud to be an American when it suited her.

923 jaunte  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:47:57pm

re: #916 CommonCents

Muslim is not a race, therefore I believe I'm in the clear with my bigotry.

Just reserve your right to make fun of their ideas, and everyone's happy except the ones who want to kill you.

924 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:48:05pm

Killgore could give lessons.

926 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:48:21pm

re: #911 reine.de.tout

Title VII prohibits religious discrimination unless the company can prove he is unable to reasonably accommodate the practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer's business.

If your company has less than 15 employees, Title VII does not apply to you.

927 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:48:46pm

re: #901 ArmyWife

I clicked your nic and got your blog, but no contact info? I'll blue mine if you'd like to send me a way to write back. I'm going to do some (more) serious thinking on this.

928 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:48:59pm

re: #923 jaunte

Just reserve your right to make fun of their ideas, and everyone's happy except the ones who want to kill you.

The ones that want to kill me would want to kill me whether I made fun of them or not. C'est la vie.

929 teleskiguy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:49:04pm

a puff piece (of shit, 60 minutes has zero credibility). and the whole, uh, creationism being taught in school, might as well be feeding kids acid at sunday school, i'll bet they learn more. save the children!

930 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:49:20pm

My husband is home from VA! YAY! But wait...he is shoveling the driveway?

931 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:49:31pm

re: #886 taxfreekiller

PPPO

Peter Principle President Obama.

I like Mandy's acronym better:

CBBHO: Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama

932 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:49:59pm

re: #920 3 wood

Thank you for the very kind words.

To put it in a nutshell, for about a decade we priced "risk" at almost zero. Now we have gone the other way and priced risk at almost an infinite price. At the same time we have people in charge who only know how to spend money.

Obama is close to ruining his administration and I don't think he realizes it. Wait until the double digit inflation hits and see how his left wing buddies like him then.

It's bound to happen especially when the printing presses are humming 24/7/365 trying to keep pace with all the pigs running out of DC. I'm hedging my bets with gold and a nice ETF that returns double on oil (DXO). Long term, I think I'll do fine.

933 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:50:04pm

re: #897 reine.de.tout

She likes her arms.
Her arms are receiving praise for being so nice and toned.
It's all she's got.

She has a nice body, but she also has two beautiful little girls, a law degree, a husband who's President, and a really nice new address. I don't see exactly why she would be so insecure.

934 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:50:12pm

re: #926 ArmyWife

Title VII prohibits religious discrimination unless the company can prove he is unable to reasonably accommodate the practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer's business.

If your company has less than 15 employees, Title VII does not apply to you.

thats why libs hate small business. harder to control.

935 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:50:13pm

re: #924 Sharmuta

I used to teach classical guitar but I haven't even played in about 10 years. I might try it again but teaching private lessons is a tough way to make a living.

936 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:50:42pm

re: #917 unclassifiable

He got caught under the American legal system and he will get punished under that legal system. . . .

Yes, but she's just as dead, because even though they lived here, he did not, could not, would not adjust to our values.

937 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:51:12pm

re: #922 Stonemason

We'll she likes it better now there is a conga line.

938 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:51:32pm

re: #933 SanFranciscoZionist

She has a nice body, but she also has two beautiful little girls, a law degree, a husband who's President, and a really nice new address. I don't see exactly why she would be so insecure.

Her husband is ruining the country?

939 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:51:58pm

re: #913 formercorpsman

Agreed. There is no Muslim roots in the Constitution and given what ploom has shown with his "57 shithole countries" argument, I would not want any.

But to deny that no Muslim can assimilate into America to me is beyond the pale.

Oh yeah ploome of course is going to deny he said that because you can only quote the word of ploome verbatim lest you offend him.

940 swamprat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:51:59pm

re: #916 CommonCents

Ok, bigotry then.
Interesting because I was posting to someone else.

941 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:07pm

re: #932 Jetpilot1101

It's bound to happen especially when the printing presses are humming 24/7/365 trying to keep pace with all the pigs running out of DC. I'm hedging my bets with gold and a nice ETF that returns double on oil (DXO). Long term, I think I'll do fine.

The money supply has increased about 270% in the last 5 months. Investors are sitting on all that cash. When it finally starts getting spent again, prices are going to shoot through the roof.

942 ArmyWife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:26pm

re: #927 pink freud

Done. I'm gonna run, you guys have a great night!

943 ciaospirit  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:34pm

re: #852 avanti

Man you have some conservative hookers near you. My wife commented that it looks like she shops at Target like she does. That's a casual house dress for DC or Chicago for that matter.

How about cheap hooker dress?

944 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:48pm

re: #900 pink freud

One last time, avanti. We are NOT doomed as a party. Quit saying it or go play in the echo chamber at Kos. I did not say that I think that voters' perception does or does not shape their real world view, I made a challenge to YOUR statement that perception is reality. IT IS NOT.

I'd say the Republicans are in shambles now. But, based on the Democrats performance so far, I would say our time in the wilderness will be short lived. The USA is cyclical and it's the Dems chance now. They cannot blame the Republicans this time around, they will fail or succeed on their own merits. I am guessing FAILURE on a grand scale.

945 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:49pm

re: #838 Killgore Trout

I could make some dickish remarks about poll abstinence, but I won't. Sure as shit wouldn't help.

Best of luck to ya, brother.

946 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:52:52pm

re: #935 Killgore Trout

Just a thought as to a little side income, Dear.

947 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:53:24pm
948 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:53:44pm

re: #933 SanFranciscoZionist

She has a nice body, but she also has two beautiful little girls, a law degree, a husband who's President, and a really nice new address. I don't see exactly why she would be so insecure.

I don't think she's at all insecure. I just think she (or perhaps the photographer) plays up what she thinks are her best features, when she goes in for these photos.

949 The Shadow Do  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:03pm

re: #921 formercorpsman

Like Iron Fist, I also have some native bloodlines.

Native Americans also took each other as slaves.

Sioux were pretty vicious as well.

Here is a hair raising read.

950 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:05pm

re: #936 reine.de.tout

Yes, but she's just as dead, because even though they lived here, he did not, could not, would not adjust to our values.

951 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:18pm

BTW -

For those following the "George Will is either a liar or an amateur" bag of accusations, and interesting statement was made by Dr. Walt Meier who heads the NSIDC monitoring program (the folks who provide the satellite ice data and whose sensors had problems).

Dr. Meier came up with a clever way to respond to a direct question about the accuracy of Will's assertion about sea ice levels being the same as 1979. Meier was asked at Anthony Watt's blog and responded -

Walt Meier (16:04:59)

1. He (George Will) was factually incorrect on the date that he reported his “daily global ice” number. However, he was merely out-of-date with his facts (it was true on Jan 1, but wasn’t 6 weeks later).

That is a pretty God awful quibble, considering the abuse Will has been subjected too. When it comes down to it, Will was largely correct in the assertion. Claiming that we have to conclude that Will was incorrect because the numbers weren't the same on the day of publication is as lame as it is misleading.

952 swamprat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:20pm

re: #916 CommonCents

Muslim is not a race, therefore I believe I'm in the clear with my bigotry.

How do you feel towards muslims. Please be specific.

953 SteveC  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:23pm

re: #919 reine.de.tout

No one right now is "stuck" with only one health provider. Right now, people have choices and can go to the providers of their choice, and can change providers if they don't like the one they have.

I'm not so sure this freedom to choose among providers for your own personal healthcare would be available to us if there were substantial changes to our system, say, like, the creation of a national health care system.

Hey, nationalizing the economy is working so well, let's nationalize the health care system! It'd be cool, don't ya think?

*Warning, Maximum amount of sarcasm exceeded.*

Our health care system currently has three attributes: 1) You can get Quality Care; 2) You can get care fast; and 3) You can get care with little difficulty.

Under a nationalized system, you can have two of the three.

954 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:33pm

Anyone else getting tossed back to the front page when they hit reply or quote? It was happening a few nights ago, and looks like the beast is back!
Any solutions?

955 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:44pm

re: #941 3 wood

The money supply has increased about 270% in the last 5 months. Investors are sitting on all that cash. When it finally starts getting spent again, prices are going to shoot through the roof.

Unfortunately, you are correct. Obama may thin he has this under control but double digit inflation coupled with double digit unemployment will not bode well for him or the democrats. I used to think the market would bottom at 5000 or so but now I'm not so sure.

956 bellamags  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:50pm

Good night lizardom.

957 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:54:58pm

re: #903 The Shadow Do

I believe the challenge, by Sharmuta, was to provide a definition. When one is elected as an R but votes as a D then one may fairly be categorized as a RINO, no? Perhaps another word would be more acceptable, moderate R? maverick?


SFZ, the Indian wars were particularly nasty but you should be aware that it was brutal warfare on both sides fed by generations of conflict. This is not to excuse any excesses, it just was so and terribly regrettable. Indian atrocities are never explored nor accepted in conversation any more than candid discussions of our current enemies.

Oh dear. ;)
My degree is in history, I could keep you up all night with massacres, although U.S. history is not really my area.
I was being, apparently not clearly enough, sarcastic.

958 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:55:08pm

re: #900 pink freud

One last time, avanti. We are NOT doomed as a party. Quit saying it or go play in the echo chamber at Kos. I did not say that I think that voters' perception does or does not shape their real world view, I made a challenge to YOUR statement that perception is reality. IT IS NOT.

OK. we must be talking in different tongues. I have never said the GOP IS doomed, but it could be. Certainly, reality and perception are different but they can have the same result. Let's use Sarah Palin, the perception on the left was that she was a clueless idiot, when in fact, that was not the reality, but when it came to voters, they accepted the perception as real. Are we on the same page yet ?

959 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:55:25pm

re: #891 pink freud

I dream about throwing my hat in against Senator Mary Landrieu. Not starting small with the school board or city council or even a state senator or representative. I think about going straight to the top. Then I think, "Hell, I have zero experience in politics." THEN I think, "Who would vote for me, a nobody?" THEN I think, "Good grief, they all must be as sick of the good-old-boy politicians as I am!" ......THEN I think, "Do I even want to tangle with that nest of vipers!?" .......and then, I think YES. 7-8 times out of ten, I think YES, I DO.

This is, after all, Louisiana politics. Look at Huey Long. Look at William Cao. He is a big inspiration to me. (He is the come-from-nowhere REPUBLICAN who took William Jefferson's U.S. House of Representatives DEMOCRAT seat in New Orleans. I am so proud of that man.)

GO FOR IT!

960 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:55:28pm

re: #888 Iron Fist

Nope, actually I feel more comfortable than even it was the right choice. Most of the economic troubles would still be happening regardless of who is in office. This is all pretty much the inevitable fall out of events that have already happened. McCain claimed that he "didn't understand economics" and Palin is dumber than a bag of hammers. Despite McCain hollow promise to keep the Bush tax cuts there was no way he was going to keep them. He voted against them twice and never saw a tax hike he didn't like.
The Republicans have yet to offer a real world alternative to the bailouts (which Bush started) because they don't have an alternative plan. I'm so disgusted with Republican politics and politicians that I probably won't be voting for them in the future.

961 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:55:33pm
962 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:56:06pm

re: #935 Killgore Trout

I used to teach classical guitar but I haven't even played in about 10 years. I might try it again but teaching private lessons is a tough way to make a living.

Do what you can to make a buck here and there just to keep from climbing the walls. When I was retired full time for a couple months in the fall, the best thing I did was pick up some odd jobs here and there to keep me busy until a full time gig worked out.

You can only sweep out the garage so many times before you go nuts.

963 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:56:09pm

re: #917 unclassifiable

He got caught under the American legal system and he will get punished under that legal system.

I don't like Aztecs either (if any of them are thinking about making a come back).

I am not denying that assimilation is harder for Muslims given their background. But I will deny that it is impossible.

it is their responsibility to come here and assimilate like all other immigrants have.
they are not doing it. islam means they can not.
and becoming an apostate leads to honor killings for the women,
for reasons like wearing lipstick or not wanting to marry a 50 yr. old male cousin if your 16.
( the aztec reference is moot.)

964 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:56:30pm

re: #945 Slumbering Behemoth

see #960

965 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:56:34pm

Gotta go eat.

BBL

966 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:57:09pm

Oops...I'll try this again...

re: #936 reine.de.tout

Yes, but she's just as dead, because even though they lived here, he did not, could not, would not adjust to our values.

Are there no brutal spousal crimes perpetrated by non-muslims?

967 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:57:10pm

re: #962 3 wood

Do what you can to make a buck here and there just to keep from climbing the walls. When I was retired full time for a couple months in the fall, the best thing I did was pick up some odd jobs here and there to keep me busy until a full time gig worked out.

You can only sweep out the garage so many times before you go nuts.

Retirement sucks. Tried it.

968 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:57:46pm

re: #939 unclassifiable

I think ploome is actually a female, but I digress.

I for one, think muslims can assimilate. I for one, also think there is an extremely nefarious strategy behind some of this immigration, and especially the funding attached to it.

In my opinion, it is a death/1000/paper cuts scenario.

Whether we like it or not, Europe is providing the textbook example of what current western civilization is doing as it relates to assimilation, let alone, responding to the outright criminal nature with too much of the element.

Too many countries now have bona fide no-go zones. De facto waqf.

969 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:58:08pm

re: #955 Jetpilot1101

I think the market will bottom at 6,000, but it's not going to rebound very fast with a Marxist in the White House.

970 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:58:16pm

re: #940 swamprat

Ok, bigotry then.
Interesting because I was posting to someone else.

I know. Just thought I would toss that grenade out there and see what happens. Mixin' it up a little.

971 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:58:28pm

re: #958 avanti

Let's use Sarah Palin, the perception on the left was that she was a clueless idiot, when in fact, that was not the reality, but when it came to voters, they accepted the perception as real.

INCORRECT. The perception of LEFT LEANING voters was that she was a clueless idiot. They weren't going to "vote for her" no matter what. Factually, she energized the conservatives who were at best luke warm about McCain!

972 mich-again  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:58:58pm

re: #960 Killgore Trout

Most of the economic troubles would still be happening regardless of who is in office. This is all pretty much the inevitable fall out of events that have already happened.

Hard to disagree with that.

973 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:11pm

re: #969 3 wood

I think the market will bottom at 6,000, but it's not going to rebound very fast with a Marxist in the White House.

I hope you are right. It's time for bed, have to fly tomorrow morning. Have a great night Lizards!

974 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:13pm

re: #943 ciaospirit

How about cheap hooker dress?

Well, you guys are getting nearly as bitter as the moonbats on the left.

975 SteveC  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:23pm

re: #941 3 wood

The money supply has increased about 270% in the last 5 months. Investors are sitting on all that cash. When it finally starts getting spent again, prices are going to shoot through the roof.

If I was a classless moron, I'd say "Oh Frak!" But I have a little class, so I'll say "Pardon my French, but Oooooooooooh FRAK!"

976 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:37pm

re: #967 karmic_inquisitor

Retirement sucks. Tried it.

Yep.

And now Obama has pretty much made retirement a financial impossibility for most people anyway.

977 hazzyday  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:39pm

re: #944 Desert Dog

I'd say the Republicans are in shambles now. But, based on the Democrats performance so far, I would say our time in the wilderness will be short lived. The USA is cyclical and it's the Dems chance now. They cannot blame the Republicans this time around, they will fail or succeed on their own merits. I am guessing FAILURE on a grand scale.

The Republicans do need to reform a bit. Being in a shambles is ok. If they reform same O same O, they will lose again. There was a shift of voters into OBama ranks. They won't come back unless Pres Obama screws up. Stock Market and 401 k's could be making a lot of them think. It's not socon's that influenced the last election, or Reagean supporters. It's moderates who cast their lot in with the democrats.

978 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:59:47pm

re: #958 avanti

OK. we must be talking in different tongues. I have never said the GOP IS doomed, but it could be. Certainly, reality and perception are different but they can have the same result. Let's use Sarah Palin, the perception on the left was that she was a clueless idiot, when in fact, that was not the reality, but when it came to voters, they accepted the perception as real. Are we on the same page yet ?

crusade.

979 saberry0530  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:00:02pm

Nite ALL!

980 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:00:18pm
981 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:00:49pm

re: #966 cronus

Oops...I'll try this again...

Are there no brutal spousal crimes perpetrated by non-muslims?

Yes, there are.
But if you are trying to argue that "honor killings" are "just like" any other kind of crimes or violence against women, you are very very wrong.

982 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:00:55pm
983 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:01:15pm

re: #968 formercorpsman

I agree with you. I think we need a zero tolerance policy for accommodations. No public support of any special facilities. No time considerations for prayer. If you can make it work because you want to practice your faith and your willing to do so while living under the rules of a secular democracy than super.

984 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:01:25pm
985 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:01:52pm

re: #952 swamprat

How do you feel towards muslims. Please be specific.

Given certain aspects of the Koran and Hadiths, I believe it to be a violent religion. I don't believe that Muhammad received 'visits' from Gabriel. I disapprove of muslims claim to Jerusalem and the golden dome.

If someone says to me, "I'm a muslim" because they came from a muslim country but don't find it to be their religous duty to kill Jews, Christians, or even Atheists that refuse to convert to Islam, then I'm cool with that.

986 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:01:53pm

re: #933 SanFranciscoZionist

She has a nice body, but she also has two beautiful little girls, a law degree, a husband who's President, and a really nice new address. I don't see exactly why she would be so insecure.

bitterness and anger from 20 yrs, at rev. wright's hate church, and the bitter disposition that would attract her to it in the first place.
affirmative action to get into college. only jobs. from o's political connections.
i don't know how insecure she is but the chip on her shoulder indicates her anger and defensive nature.

987 FloridaAnole  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:02:03pm

re: #668 avanti

There are exceptions. but just look at those in attendance at the conventions and campaign rallies and tell me you don't see a difference in diversity.

You mean where Obama goes out of his way to surround himself with white folks every time he gets up on a stage to engage in his oratory?

988 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:02:08pm

re: #984 Naso Tang

Vote for me

In a heartbeat!
LOL

989 swamprat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:02:38pm

The right wing, as racist, is so 1954. And yet people decry the infamous "neo-cons".


'Tis true, 'tis a pity. A pity, 'tis true.

990 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:03:05pm

re: #978 formercorpsman

Avanti, you are making the straw-man argument.

The media had her pegged from the start. This is what drives me insane about people on the left. She had a bad interview, no doubt.

Where the hell does anyone one the left get off, determine her as the inappropriate candidate for the republican ticket.

Just once, apply the rules to your rocket scientists in the democrat party, and lets see how they stand up.

You act as if there is a level playing field, and the media is not biased.

991 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:03:33pm

re: #985 CommonCents

Given certain aspects of the Koran and Hadiths, I believe it to be a violent religion. I don't believe that Muhammad received 'visits' from Gabriel. I disapprove of muslims claim to Jerusalem and the golden dome.

If someone says to me, "I'm a muslim" because they came from a muslim country but don't find it to be their religous duty to kill Jews, Christians, or even Atheists that refuse to convert to Islam, then I'm cool with that.

Furthermore, that claim that Islam means peace and that it spread so innocently across the Middle East, North Africa, and into southern Europe because it was just so inclusive and cosmopolitan is hogwash. It was spread by the sword, and is still being spread by the sword all over the world.

992 Tarkus289  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:04:06pm

Just for the record, the democrats were in shambles after the '04 election, and they turned it around by '06.

993 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:04:15pm
994 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:04:17pm

re: #919 reine.de.tout

No one right now is "stuck" with only one health provider. Right now, people have choices and can go to the providers of their choice, and can change providers if they don't like the one they have.

I'm not so sure this freedom to choose among providers for your own personal healthcare would be available to us if there were substantial changes to our system, say, like, the creation of a national health care system.

If they have access--aren't in a remote area--if they have health coverage--if their health plan offers a choice. All of that has been of concern in figuring out how to handle issues like this.

No democracy with a national health care plan, that I am aware of, insists that you use it. People are free to go with private programs and practices. Dunno. I used Britain's NHP for a year, and it was fine. I keep hearing these horror stories, but it was perfectly fine.

995 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:04:28pm

re: #933 SanFranciscoZionist

She has a nice body, but she also has two beautiful little girls, a law degree, a husband who's President, and a really nice new address. I don't see exactly why she would be so insecure.

Affirmative Action.

996 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:04:59pm

re: #993 ploome hineni

ploome....

997 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:05:12pm

re: #971 sattv4u2

Sarah Palin was introduced to the country (by the MSM) as "Clueless Idiot Sarah Palin".
The fact that people considered her a clueless idiot because they listened to Tina Fey and Joy Behar says more about the audience than it does about the Governor.
People see "pretty", they think "dumb". Add in the hatchet job from CNN, NYT, etc. and that Alaskan broad held up pretty well, if you ask me.

998 Colonel Panik  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:05:38pm

re: #757 LemonJoose

So would any of you consider George W. Bush a RINO because of his embrace of big government and lack of fiscal control?

No he's only borderline RINO. More of a hippo.

I think the RINO thing is not based on social or economic conservatism per se, but more a subjective judgement on how far that republican politician is willing to compromise or side with democrats across a range of issues.

I many felt Rudy Giuliani was a RINO because of his support of gun control, although he was clearly not a RINO on the WOT.

Mike Huckabee is very so-con,but many condemned him as a RINO for his pardoning of a particularly nasty murderer.

But I would have to say the epitome of RINO is Arnold Schwarzennegger. Sides with the dems on gun control, "climate change" and was unwilling to take the battle to the public employees unions that are bleeding California to death.

999 formercorpsman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:06:10pm

Goodnight folks.

1000 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:06:44pm

re: #992 Tarkus289

No they weren't. They gained seats in both the house and senate and lost the White House by just 3 million votes,,, just 2.5 percentage points!

1001 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:06:46pm

re: #966 cronus

Oops...I'll try this again...

Are there no brutal spousal crimes perpetrated by non-muslims?

From the article at the link:

Unni Wikan, a social anthropologist and professor at the University of Oslo, defines honor killing as "a murder carried out as a commission from the extended family, to restore honor after the family has been dishonored. As a rule, the basic cause is a rumor that any female family member has behaved in an immoral way."[14] While honor killings are just a minority of total domestic violence in the United States and Canada, they constitute a distinct phenomenon. (See Table 1.) A 2008 Massachusetts-based study found that "although immigrants make up an estimated 14 percent of the state's population, [they, nevertheless,] accounted for 26 percent of the 180 domestic violence deaths from 1997-2006."[15]

Lenore Walker, author of The Battered Woman Syndrome,[16] agreed that fundamentalist immigrants control and patrol their women very closely. "Given the strict rules, there are a lot of things to kill them for," she said. Walker confirmed the difference between the victim-perpetrator in honor killings and ordinary domestic violence:

In ordinary domestic violence involving Westerners, it is rare for brothers to kill sisters or for male cousins to kill female cousins. And while child abuse occurs in which fathers may kill infants and children, it is very rare for Western fathers to kill teenage daughters.[17]

Other discrepancies exist. Walker observed that Western men are more apt to kill little boys than girls in their family. "Women with postpartum depression kill their babies, and men may kill babies by shaken baby syndrome," she explained. She did not "know of any batterers who are helped to commit the murders by their brothers or cousins or other family members. Occasionally, the man's relatives may be in the house when the murder goes down, but that is quite rare in my experience."[18]

"Honor killings" are very very different from "regular" domestic abuse cases.

1002 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:07:31pm

re: #959 reine.de.tout

GO FOR IT!

You've met me ....I was hoping to get some sort of opinion from you. Thank you, very much, Reine. That means a lot coming from you. :-)

1003 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:07:39pm

re: #936 reine.de.tout

Yes, but she's just as dead, because even though they lived here, he did not, could not, would not adjust to our values.

Is there a higher percentage of murders of wives and children in Muslim homes than the U.S. average? Honestly curious here. I've heard a million and one stories about men who kill their wives and girlfriends. Aside from the admittedly horrific beheading detail, does anything make this man morally different from an American-grown shithead from a Protestant background?

1004 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:07:57pm

re: #997 Lincolntf

Sarah Palin was introduced to the country (by the MSM) as "Clueless Idiot Sarah Palin".
The fact that people considered her a clueless idiot because they listened to Tina Fey and Joy Behar says more about the audience than it does about the Governor.
People see "pretty", they think "dumb". Add in the hatchet job from CNN, NYT, etc. and that Alaskan broad held up pretty well, if you ask me.

My point to Avanti is that the people that thought her as clueless weren't going to vote fopr her anyway. She brought lots of votes TO Mccain that he wouldn't have gotten otherwise

1005 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:08:03pm

re: #997 Lincolntf

Sarah Palin was introduced to the country (by the MSM) as "Clueless Idiot Sarah Palin".
The fact that people considered her a clueless idiot because they listened to Tina Fey and Joy Behar says more about the audience than it does about the Governor.
People see "pretty", they think "dumb". Add in the hatchet job from CNN, NYT, etc. and that Alaskan broad held up pretty well, if you ask me.

I was getting ready to upding your comment until that one word flared into my field of vision. Who are you, Frank Sinatra? Call me old-fashioned on this.

1006 Tarkus289  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:08:17pm

I once had a somewhat civil argument with a muslim guy, he was trying to tell me that jihad meant personal struggle. I told him it meant violent aggression, we went back and forth for a little while, then he said but I am a muslim, I know what it means, to which I responded I am a New Yorker, I know what it means. The argument end right about then.

1007 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:08:19pm

re: #993 ploome hineni

she is huge from the waist down..small on top....very full behind and thighs

she has an awful walk...and looks terrible in the dresses she chooses

Yep.
Which is probably why she keeps wearing sleeveless dresses, hoping people will notice her lovely oh-so-toned arms, rather than the rest of it

1008 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:08:58pm

re: #981 reine.de.tout

Yes, there are.
But if you are trying to argue that "honor killings" are "just like" any other kind of crimes or violence against women, you are very very wrong.

I know they are not the same. It is barbaric practice. But some in this thread are arguing for a wholesale ban on immigration based solely on religion and painting every muslim in america with the same brush as this monster. It's as if there has not been one single muslim who has assimilated into American culture. See what I said in #998. I'm for no special accommodations. Just not for a purely religious litmus test.

1009 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:00pm

re: #999 formercorpsman

G'night.

1010 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:08pm

re: #1005 Silvergirl

I was getting ready to upding your comment until that one word flared into my field of vision. Who are you, Frank Sinatra? Call me old-fashioned on this.

Okay ,,,"You're old-fashioned on this"

(now don't call me Shirley)

1011 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:13pm

re: #972 mich-again

I also think that if the Republicans had the White House and/or congress we'd still be seeing massive bailout spending. They have the luxury now of complaining because they don't have the burden of power. They'd be doing pretty much the exact same thing.

1012 Adrenalyn  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:23pm

is Jindal retarded ?

I mean, come on....

this is the network that forged doc's about Bush being AWOL
for cripe sake


any Republican that goes on there loses almost all respect from me

except Sarah Palin, even though that was an ambush interview Katie did
but I blame McCain for getting her on that

how many examples do these dumb fuck Republicans need before they stay away from CBS ?

1013 swamprat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:33pm

If you think Sarah Palin is moron and/or a religious nut; so be it.

But you will have to concede that she is a very efficient, effective moron and/or religious nut.

1014 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:52pm

re: #988 reine.de.tout

In a heartbeat!
LOL

I was afraid nobody would recognize the resemblance. Only difference is in the tan.

:=)

1015 3 wood  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:09:53pm

One more comment before I go to sleep.

The economic downturn could have been significantly curtailed if:

1. The President had not been talking "catastrophe" for the past 6 weeks.

2. A Treasury Secretary who knew what he was doing had been appointed.

3. The Bush tax cuts had been extended.

4. Capital gains tax cuts had been proposed.

5. The deficit had not skyrocketed in the past few weeks. Obama's deficits already tower over the Bush deficits.

6. More tax and spend policies are coming down the pike.

Obama and the Democrats now own this economy.

The buyers remorse for Obama supporters is just starting. You got what you wanted.

Good night.

1016 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:10:02pm

re: #1003 SanFranciscoZionist

Is there a higher percentage of murders of wives and children in Muslim homes than the U.S. average? Honestly curious here. I've heard a million and one stories about men who kill their wives and girlfriends. Aside from the admittedly horrific beheading detail, does anything make this man morally different from an American-grown shithead from a Protestant background?

One murder is not morally different from another, I wouldn't think.

It's the mind-set behind it - the fact that the entire family is involved, rather than the usual hidden violence. If you're really interested, read this.

1017 freetoken  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:10:39pm

re: #1011 Killgore Trout

Agree 100%. The track record of the GOP (both GWB and Congress) before Pres. Obama was sworn in testifies to your claim.

1018 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:10:48pm

re: #963 nyc redneck

it is their responsibility to come here and assimilate like all other immigrants have.
they are not doing it. islam means they can not.
and becoming an apostate leads to honor killings for the women,
for reasons like wearing lipstick or not wanting to marry a 50 yr. old male cousin if your 16.
( the aztec reference is moot.)

On what basis do you determine they're not doing it? I taught for a while in a town with a lot of Muslim families from Afghanistan. They were, well, like immigrant families from everywhere. Other immigrant groups have crime problems, or violence over issues of assimilation, but none of them are being held up as hopeless here.

1019 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:10:49pm

re: #968 formercorpsman

I think ploome is actually a female, but I digress.

I for one, think muslims can assimilate. I for one, also think there is an extremely nefarious strategy behind some of this immigration, and especially the funding attached to it.

In my opinion, it is a death/1000/paper cuts scenario.

Whether we like it or not, Europe is providing the textbook example of what current western civilization is doing as it relates to assimilation, let alone, responding to the outright criminal nature with too much of the element.

Too many countries now have bona fide no-go zones. De facto waqf.

I would say that the USA is different that Europe when it comes to assimilation. We have been quite good at taking in people from all over the world and make our society work. I think Europe is so concerned about political correctness that they are willing to flush their own culture and heritage down the drain. We have a bit of that going on here in the USA as well too.

In the 1840's-50's it was the Irish....backwards, CATHOLIC, non-English speakers that would NEVER FIT IN....but they did. Then, it was Southern and Eastern Europeans....same thing...they will NEVER FIT IN....but, they did too. Now it's Latin America (especially Mexican) and Asians that are coming in. Some think they will NEVER FIT IN.....but, guess what, they will. Muslim immigrants from many lands should fit in here as well. Each wave of immigration gives us a some of their culture....language, food, customs, etc. And, the USA gives them our political heritage. A nice trade, if you ask me. My only worry is we will become like Europe and forget our own unique experience.

Signed a German/Dutch/Irish/Norwegian/French/English American (married to a Filipina)

1020 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:10:52pm

re: #1002 pink freud

You've met me ....I was hoping to get some sort of opinion from you. Thank you, very much, Reine. That means a lot coming from you. :-)

:-)
And call me if you need help.

1021 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:11:00pm
1022 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:11:17pm

Hey KT, think about starting a bogus religion.

You could be a Luthieran minister

/

1023 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:11:37pm

re: #1015 3 wood

I'll definitely agree with #3, and #4. Obama's tax talk last week is certainly not helping the market.

1024 Stonemason  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:11:46pm

re: #993 ploome hineni

she is huge from the waist down..small on top....very full behind and thighs

she has an awful walk...and looks terrible in the dresses she chooses

I almost dinged you for that, almost negative and almost positive.

Her looks, and how she dresses may be of interest, and, may even speak to her mental state, but it is her statements and her actions we need to follow, to judge her on.

(not an indictment of you Ploome)

1025 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:12:15pm

re: #966 cronus

Oops...I'll try this again...

Are there no brutal spousal crimes perpetrated by non-muslims?

Oh, for fuck's sake. I hope you're being provocative on purpose. If not, CATCH A FUCKING CLUE, MAGOO.

1026 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:12:45pm

re: #1022 OldLineTexan

I've always kinda wanted a David Koresh type gig. In the 90's I sorta looked like him too.

1027 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:12:54pm

re: #1023 Killgore Trout

I'll definitely agree with #3, and #4. Obama's tax talk last week is certainly not helping the market.

You don't agree that his constant "crisis" / "catastrophe" ramblings had a negative impact?

1028 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:13:12pm

re: #1025 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake. I hope you're being provocative on purpose. If not, CATCH A FUCKING CLUE, MAGOO.

Mandy - I referred him/her to this. Take a look, you might find it interesting.

1029 freetoken  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:13:18pm

re: #1015 3 wood


The economic downturn could have been significantly curtailed if: [...]

You're going to keep telling yourself the same things over and over, but no one can play a "what if" game and truly know what the alternatives would be.

The only thing I agree with you on is that the new Sec. of Treasury has not been building confidence.

1030 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:13:20pm

re: #958 avanti

No, we aren't on the same page. You remind me too much of other liberals I know. Your posts seem to always be dancing, tiptoeing, trying to couch your position/point is relativistic speak. Pick a side, stand on it, quit trying to walk that middle ground. That's no longer a luxury.

1031 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:13:58pm
1032 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:14:27pm

re: #1004 sattv4u2

My point to Avanti is that the people that thought her as clueless weren't going to vote fopr her anyway. She brought lots of votes TO Mccain that he wouldn't have gotten otherwise

I guess I'd have to agree, she rallied the base, but sealed the loss of moderates. I honestly don't know if she won more votes for the base then she lost from the middle. In my case, I would have voted for the "old McCain" before he embraced the religious right, but the base would not have.

1033 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:14:32pm

re: #1026 Killgore Trout

I've always kinda wanted a David Koresh type gig. In the 90's I sorta looked like him too.

If you become a cult leader, you could be your own boss too.....I call dibs on your KoolAid contracts

1034 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:14:33pm

re: #1027 CommonCents

I think the impact was pretty minimal. The traders know whether or not there's a crisis, they don't need the president to tell them. Most of the traders probably know more of what's really going on than Obama anyways.

1035 Stonemason  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:15:21pm

re: #994 SanFranciscoZionist

If they have access--aren't in a remote area--if they have health coverage--if their health plan offers a choice. All of that has been of concern in figuring out how to handle issues like this.

We all have access, every human in this country, legal or illegal. That is a bogus argument.
Remote areas have health care, and if access to health care is an issue, and the available is too far away, move.
I am tired of people buying into the crap about rural people being stuck, urban people being stuck, no one is truly stuck in any situation, this is not 1960 USSR, this is the United States of America, the greatest, freest nation on the freakin planet.

1036 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:15:30pm

re: #1025 MandyManners

#1008

1037 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:15:35pm

re: #959

NYC Redneck: Thank you. For all of them.

1038 CommonCents  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:16:40pm

re: #1034 Killgore Trout

I think the impact was pretty minimal. The traders know whether or not there's a crisis, they don't need the president to tell them. Most of the traders probably know more of what's really going on than Obama anyways.

There are more folks out there with trading accounts that have no clue than you may think. I work at bank (in I.T.) and am astounded at the lack of knowledge in finances that is walking around there. People hear BHO talk, they don't always here the smart people.

1039 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:17:11pm

re: #1026 Killgore Trout

I've always kinda wanted a David Koresh type gig. In the 90's I sorta looked like him too.

Just let word get out that you're stockpiling automatic cellos and intent on violins.

I'll spare you the other bits of his "fame".

/

1040 Wm T Sherman  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:17:22pm

I have no interest in this guy, beyond making sure that he is not nominated in 2012. I'd like a conservative to win.

1041 mich-again  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:17:41pm

re: #1011 Killgore Trout

They have the luxury now of complaining because they don't have the burden of power. They'd be doing pretty much the exact same thing.

Yes they would. But I would rather they got off the high-unicorn and back to the real world to at least make an attempt to stop the runaway train. Sitting back and playing dead isn't what leaders do.

1042 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:17:47pm

re: #1037 pink freud

NYC Redneck: Thank you. For all of them.

I sometimes think NYC Redneck is in my head.

1043 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:18:40pm

re: #993 ploome hineni

she is huge from the waist down..small on top....very full behind and thighs

she has an awful walk...and looks terrible in the dresses she chooses

She needs to think in terms of tailored shirtwaists and pleated skirts. She's not unattractive. But she's dressing like she's Twiggy, and that she is not!

1044 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:19:11pm

re: #1020 reine.de.tout

:-)
And call me if you need help.

You know I will, reine!

1045 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:19:18pm

re: #1042 reine.de.tout

I sometimes think NYC Redneck is in my head.

Me too. I love her posts. She strips it right down to the plain-spoken truth.

1046 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:20:07pm
1047 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:20:51pm

re: #1042 reine.de.tout

I sometimes think NYC Redneck is in my head.

Me too. And Army Wife.

1048 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:21:10pm

In for a few minutes after a verrrry long day.
What's happening? Are we having fun yet?

1049 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:21:30pm

re: #1018 SanFranciscoZionist

On what basis do you determine they're not doing it? I taught for a while in a town with a lot of Muslim families from Afghanistan. They were, well, like immigrant families from everywhere. Other immigrant groups have crime problems, or violence over issues of assimilation, but none of them are being held up as hopeless here.

lots of examples of agitation, crime and trouble inspired by islam and where are the moderates speaking out abt. it?
look around the world where moslems settle, nothing but discord and aggression.
if they truly are peaceful they are apostates.

1050 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:22:10pm

re: #1030 pink freud

No, we aren't on the same page. You remind me too much of other liberals I know. Your posts seem to always be dancing, tiptoeing, trying to couch your position/point is relativistic speak. Pick a side, stand on it, quit trying to walk that middle ground. That's no longer a luxury.

That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives take a stand, it's a black and white world, no grays, and unchanging. Liberals dance about and adjust as they see the world changing. We need the right to restrain the dancing, and the left to keep us moving forward.

1051 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:22:19pm

re: #1019 Desert Dog

I would say that the USA is different that Europe when it comes to assimilation.

One of the differences is size. You can drive across most, if not all, EU countries in the time it takes to drive the length of Florida. I think that has an effect on how people settle and assimilate.

I do however have reservations about Muslims ever assimilating for the simple reason that their religion has too many conflicts with our constitutional principles. The Koran will always come first.

That doesn't have to be a problem if the numbers are relatively small, but if they start to feel they have enough sway they will start to demand special rights, just as they do in Europe.

1052 Aviator  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:22:40pm

re: #994 SanFranciscoZionist

I
No democracy with a national health care plan, that I am aware of, insists that you use it. People are free to go with private programs and practices. Dunno. I used Britain's NHP for a year, and it was fine. I keep hearing these horror stories, but it was perfectly fine.

Uh, actually the British system did for many years. Canadians come to the US if they can pay cash, they have no option in Canada.

1053 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:22:46pm

re: #1048 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In for a few minutes after a verrrry long day.
What's happening? Are we having fun yet?

It depends.

Are you a turtle?

1054 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:23:17pm

re: #1048 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In for a few minutes after a verrrry long day.
What's happening? Are we having fun yet?

No. I'm writing and popping in when my brain threatens to seize.

1055 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:24:02pm

I see we are just gonna ramble on

1056 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:24:17pm

re: #1042 reine.de.tout

I sometimes think NYC Redneck is in my head.

i think the same abt. you.
:D

1057 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:24:28pm

re: #1048 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Plenty.

I ended up on ploome's shit list but the upside was that I was given one button to annoy the shit out of her (maybe 2).

BTW she/he can tell what religion you are and your first name just by what you write here.

1058 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:24:36pm

Night folks.

1059 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:25:04pm

re: #1045 Bloodnok

Me too. I love her posts. She strips it right down to the plain-spoken truth.

i like your posts too.

1060 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:25:23pm

re: #939 unclassifiable

Agreed. There is no Muslim roots in the Constitution and given what ploom has shown with his "57 shithole countries" argument, I would not want any.

But to deny that no Muslim can assimilate into America to me is beyond the pale.

Oh yeah ploome of course is going to deny he said that because you can only quote the word of ploome verbatim lest you offend him.

Of course Muslims can assimilate into America. From Websters, the definiton of assimilate:
2 a: to make similar b: to alter by assimilation c: to absorb into the culture or mores of a population or group

My grandparents came to America from Italy and assimilated. They loved America, became proud citizens and productive members of society. They kept their culture in terms of food, religion, love of family, traditions, but they did not try to change or alter the society here--they adapted to it and did so proudly.

By this definition, any group can assimilate. However, if that group's intention is to change the society or create a series of laws or rules outside of that society, they are not assimilating.

1061 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:25:34pm

re: #1059 nyc redneck

i like your posts too.

:D

1062 avanti  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:25:58pm

re: #1058 pingjockey

Night folks.

Yea, me too, night all.

1063 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:12pm

re: #1053 OldLineTexan

It depends.

Are you a turtle?

Couldn't you ask me if I'm something which makes a sound?
At least I could do an imitation.

1064 Sosigado  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:15pm

re: #1050 avanti

If you think what the left is doing right now is "moving us forward" you really are a hopeless case.

1065 Stonemason  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:20pm

re: #1050 avanti

That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives take a stand, it's a black and white world, no grays, and unchanging. Liberals dance about and adjust as they see the world changing. We need the right to restrain the dancing, and the left to keep us moving forward.

well, to me that means that liberals live in the moment, there is no right or wrong other than what is decided at that particular point in time. That attitude has failed, over and over.
Conservatives do change, when change is merited, the change is well thought out, not adjusting to the word changing (wind blowing), conservatives recognize a problem, attack it, fix it, move on, if it requires change we change.

1066 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:22pm

g'night all.
Long day for me tomorrow.

1067 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:35pm

re: #1051 Naso Tang

One of the differences is size. You can drive across most, if not all, EU countries in the time it takes to drive the length of Florida. I think that has an effect on how people settle and assimilate.

I do however have reservations about Muslims ever assimilating for the simple reason that their religion has too many conflicts with our constitutional principles. The Koran will always come first.

That doesn't have to be a problem if the numbers are relatively small, but if they start to feel they have enough sway they will start to demand special rights, just as they do in Europe.

Another is race.....If you are from Tunisia and move to France, you can become a French citizen, but you cannot become French. Same for the Dutch, the Germans, the English, Swedish, etc, etc.....Move here, you can become an American....that is a difference. In most of European societies, the immigrants are marginalized and not allowed to fully integrate. The tend to cluster together and are slow to give up their own culture, language, etc. The USA had the same problem, but I think we have moved past that now. We can assimilate Muslims. Can Europe? Not so sure about that.....

1068 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:26:59pm

re: #575 reine.de.tout

glad you like it.
Here's what you do for vol2 - when you make (or see) comments you like, send 'em to me to keep for Vol 2.

I have been looking for the original post, but can't find it. This one was written by a collaborative effort; I believe I gave the first lines, and then other lizards followed. I compiled and completed the result.

It was Sympathy for Obama

There is also my Lovecraft imitation, but horror isn't exactly suitable for a cookbook.

I'll try to remember more.

1069 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:27:29pm

re: #1057 unclassifiable

Plenty.

I ended up on ploome's shit list but the upside was that I was given one button to annoy the shit out of her (maybe 2).

BTW she/he can tell what religion you are and your first name just by what you write here.


Sounds like we ARE having fun.

1070 Silvergirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:27:49pm

re: #1048 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In for a few minutes after a verrrry long day.
What's happening? Are we having fun yet?

In no particular order, we're talking about Muslims, we're trying to figure out who to run in 2012, we're talking about Michelle's style, RINOs, the economy (of course), and having fun all the way, yes.

1071 Lynn B.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:28:00pm

re: #341 Syrah

His is one of the few shows that make me almost want to get a TV.

I can only imagine the conniption fits he must be having on a nightly basis now.

Cramer has completely let loose on Obama and his politburo (his word).

It's interesting that the same network that brings us KO is giving Cramer and Santelli room to run on this. CNBC and The Weather Channel are just about the only "news" outlets I watch on TV any more. Worth the cable bill? Maybe.

1072 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:28:18pm

re: #1068 Kosh's Shadow

got 'em!

1073 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:28:22pm

re: #1063 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Couldn't you ask me if I'm something which makes a sound?
At least I could do an imitation.

Sorry, bub, I just work the door.

/pssst ... the answer to that question is "You bet your sweet ass I am!"

Welcome, Brother Turtle! Come on in!

1074 FloridaAnole  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:28:54pm

re: #954 sattv4u2

It's happened to me three times already. I was beginning to wonder if I wasn't typing verboten phrases, or something.

1075 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:28:56pm

One thing that the world should take away from the financial crisis: stratified industrial economies need lending in order to function.

Which is one more reason why entertaining accommodation of Sharia in Western jurisprudence is utterly insane - lending money is haram under Sharia. You can't borrow. You can't lend.

1076 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:29:05pm

re: #1050 avanti

That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives take a stand, it's a black and white world, no grays, and unchanging. Liberals dance about and adjust as they see the world changing. We need the right to restrain the dancing, and the left to keep us moving forward.

conservatives have good decent basic principles that have nothing to do w/ politics.
liberals will do anything for power or free stuff.
and they aren't very good dancers.

1077 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:29:21pm

re: #1070 Silvergirl

In no particular order, we're talking about Muslims, we're trying to figure out who to run in 2012, we're talking about Michelle's style, RINOs, the economy (of course), and having fun all the way, yes.

I'd love to add something evolutionarily controversial, but it is past my bedtime.

Goodnight.

1078 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:29:30pm

re: #1054 Dianna

No. I'm writing and popping in when my brain threatens to seize.

That wasn't e4xactily coherent, mybe yur bran's alrdy strtin to seeez
*THUD*

/mine too

1079 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:31:02pm
1080 twincitiesgirl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:31:19pm

Morely, it's time to retire, your eyes look worse than a 12 year old beagle's.

I need a nap

1081 cronus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:32:58pm

night all

1082 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:34:07pm
1083 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:34:18pm

That's the third time I've tried to "quote" a comment and gotten bumped out to the front page. I'm moving over to the new thread.

1084 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:34:37pm

re: #964 Killgore Trout

Point. And +1. I still voted, though, futile as that may seem to some.

1085 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:36:03pm

I'm so very glad I disengaged tonight.

1086 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:36:09pm

re: #1071 Lynn B.

Cramer has completely let loose on Obama and his politburo (his word).

It's interesting that the same network that brings us KO is giving Cramer and Santelli room to run on this. CNBC and The Weather Channel are just about the only "news" outlets I watch on TV any more. Worth the cable bill? Maybe.

{weather channel}
accepting and dealing with reality.

1087 unclassifiable  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:36:19pm

re: #1060 VioletTiger

I agree VT but you gotta know that despite whether there is intent or not the culture does change.

I still believe in a brand of American exceptionalism that thinks Muslims will assimilate here eventually despite what has gone on in Europe.

Maybe I am delusional in that way.

1088 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:37:06pm

re: #1050 avanti

That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives take a stand, it's a black and white world, no grays, and unchanging. Liberals dance about and adjust as they see the world changing. We need the right to restrain the dancing, and the left to keep us moving forward.

I believe in flexibility and resilience. I don't believe in shape-shifting.

1089 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:40:33pm
1090 Stonemason  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:41:30pm

re: #1079 ploome hineni

1043 Dianna

I think she is a very unattractive woman...although she is tall, and her stature probably lends her presence

she has a marked bite issue.....some dentist could identify it..her facial expression is very unpleasant

nothing feminine or charming or pretty about her

okay, dagnabbit, she is ugly, there, I said it, now I feel bad.

I tried so hard to keep to the high ground, but, that woman is just not atractive.

1091 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:44:58pm
1092 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:45:43pm

re: #1090 Stonemason

okay, dagnabbit, she is ugly, there, I said it, now I feel bad.

I tried so hard to keep to the high ground, but, that woman is just not atractive.

LOL, don't feel bad.
all the guys i know have said it too.

1093 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:46:44pm
1094 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:47:03pm

re: #1089 Iron Fist

excellent post.
i like this sentence: "americans aren't frenchmen"

1095 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:50:09pm

re: #1089 Iron Fist

What you describe will only happen if we let it......there is a part of our society that wants to cater to every whim of every race.....that is wrong. The USA is a melting pot, if we forget that, or stop acting like that....the whole thing can fall apart. You kinda see what you are saying with the large influx of Mexican and other Latin Americans.....they are not as quick to assimilate. With Muslims, you are not just dealing with one race or culture....Muslims come from many places.....

If we let people come here, Muslim or not, and let them set the agenda....we get what Europe has and we do not want that......

1096 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:50:50pm

re: #1072 reine.de.tout

got 'em!

I just wish I could find the thread where Sympathy for Obama was originally done, because it showed how other lizards contributed.

1097 Colonel Panik  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:51:14pm

re: #1079 ploome hineni

1043 Dianna

I think she is a very unattractive woman...although she is tall, and her stature probably lends her presence

she has a marked bite issue.....some dentist could identify it..her facial expression is very unpleasant

nothing feminine or charming or pretty about her

She reminds me of "Aunt Esther" from Sanford and Son. Taller and more svelte but still with a face that would break a mirror, and a chip on her shoulder a mile wide.

1098 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:52:55pm

re: #1092 nyc redneck

LOL, don't feel bad.
all the guys i know have said it too.

There, that helps

1099 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:53:39pm

re: #1076 nyc redneck

conservatives have good decent basic principles that have nothing to do w/ politics.
liberals will do anything for power or free stuff.
and they aren't very good dancers.

Some call Conservatism the worship of dead Liberals but I think they confuse the differing strains of both
1) Social Traditionalists Conservatives (Paleos) are suspicious of innovations
2) Personal Liberty and Property rights Conservatives (Classic Liberals) desire change.
3) Traditional Left Progressives supported rule of law and National Sovereignty
(AFL George Meany Democrats)
4) Internationalist Socialist Liberals cultivated disaffection.

1100 pink freud  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:54:09pm

re: #1091 ploome hineni

Ploome, ploome, ploome

*shaking head*

You mustquit thinking in such black and white terms. Where's your tolerance and diversity?

///////////////////

1101 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:54:16pm

re: #1095 Desert Dog

There is a terrible erosion here of belief in our culture. The schools and especially the universities are leading this effort. It creates a vacuum in which all cultures are allowed to be relevant. Cultural suicide.

1102 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:57:04pm

re: #1099 lifeofthemind

Some call Conservatism the worship of dead Liberals but I think they confuse the differing strains of both
1) Social Traditionalists Conservatives (Paleos) are suspicious of innovations
2) Personal Liberty and Property rights Conservatives (Classic Liberals) desire change.
3) Traditional Left Progressives supported rule of law and National Sovereignty
(AFL George Meany Democrats)
4) Internationalist Socialist Liberals cultivated disaffection.

Sorry, I re-read it six times and I don't know what the you are talking about. Not being hostile. Just...there has to be some clarity.

1103 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:59:00pm

re: #1102 JohnAdams

Sorry, I re-read it six times and I don't know what the you are talking about. Not being hostile. Just...there has to be some clarity.

Did you follow the conversation that nyc redneck was having with avanti?

1104 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:01:42pm

re: #1101 JohnAdams

I cannot deny that.....you see it with pandering to ethnic groups by political parties (especially ones that begin with a Demo and end in a crat). But, business does it as well. I hope our culture and heritage withstands it all, because it has created the most awesome country that has ever existed. It would be a tragedy if it was to perish because of political correctness and relativism gone wild.

1105 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:04:40pm

re: #1103 lifeofthemind

Did you follow the conversation that nyc redneck was having with avanti?

Nah...late in the game. No worries.

1106 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:07:27pm

re: #1104 Desert Dog

I cannot deny that.....you see it with pandering to ethnic groups by political parties (especially ones that begin with a Demo and end in a crat). But, business does it as well. I hope our culture and heritage withstands it all, because it has created the most awesome country that has ever existed. It would be a tragedy if it was to perish because of political correctness and relativism gone wild.

I'm glad you mentioned business. Right-leaning people tend to worship the "free market" which is good, but they overlook that much great damage is done to our culture and children in the name of capitalism.

1107 Dasher  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:15:59pm

re: #111 LemonJoose

I think Rush has a better handle on what it means to be conservative than 90 percent of the Republican's in Congress.

Steele came crawling back today.

1108 swamprat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:16:13pm

re: #1082 JohnAdams

and they will be the first ones to cave to the demands of hardline Islamists simply because they are already halfway there and they already share so many values and so much cultural baggage.


I disagree. Freedom is too addictive. Once people have a taste of it, they will not "cave to the demands" of anyone.

1109 stevieray  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:19:19pm

re: #1108 swamprat

I disagree. Freedom is too addictive. Once people have a taste of it, they will not "cave to the demands" of anyone.

I wish I could agree, but there is a faction of humanity who craves order and uniformity above all else... probably about a third of any give population. They will recoil from liberty, and seek to destroy it.

1110 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:19:34pm

re: #1035 Stonemason

We all have access, every human in this country, legal or illegal. That is a bogus argument.
Remote areas have health care, and if access to health care is an issue, and the available is too far away, move.
I am tired of people buying into the crap about rural people being stuck, urban people being stuck, no one is truly stuck in any situation, this is not 1960 USSR, this is the United States of America, the greatest, freest nation on the freakin planet.

I don't think you've been following the discussion.

1111 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:23:03pm

re: #1052 Aviator

Uh, actually the British system did for many years. Canadians come to the US if they can pay cash, they have no option in Canada.

No private medical practice in Canada? Interesting.

1112 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:28:10pm

re: #1082 JohnAdams

You know, I keep hearing this--a moderate isn't a real Muslim. By whose standards? Yours? Mine? International Jihad's? When I started reading up on Spencer, after the Late Unpleasantness, I found an interesting set of articles where he'd taken on a Muslim feminist scholar who said that she believed that hijab was not mandatory under Islam.

Spencer basically denounced her for not living up to his standard of 'real' Islam.

We say a lot here that we want to see the moderates, but if we genuinely don't believe they exist, what's to see?

1113 JohnAdams  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:48:00pm

re: #1112 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, I keep hearing this--a moderate isn't a real Muslim. By whose standards? Yours? Mine? International Jihad's? When I started reading up on Spencer, after the Late Unpleasantness, I found an interesting set of articles where he'd taken on a Muslim feminist scholar who said that she believed that hijab was not mandatory under Islam.

Spencer basically denounced her for not living up to his standard of 'real' Islam.

We say a lot here that we want to see the moderates, but if we genuinely don't believe they exist, what's to see?

Until the peaceful Muslims are dominating and driving the Islamic message to the world and telling us and demonstrating to us that they are in charge, then I will continue to believe that they are the most culpable of being seduced by the hardliners.

1114 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 9:56:49pm
1115 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 10:06:10pm

re: #1111 SanFranciscoZionist

No private medical practice in Canada? Interesting.

Actually, there are a few clinics and doctors who work outside the system. I had a routine medical done at one such, late last year.

Very much the exception, so far, but I think the trend will increase.

1116 docremulac  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 10:08:59pm

The mainstream media/Democrat complex has figured out the perfect ploy:

Pick both the Democrat and Republican candidates.

And be sure to pick the Republican candidate that's sure to loose while ignoring the rest.

Until the Republicans recognize that and tell the Democrat selected candidates such as McCain, Huckabee and Jindal to STFU, the Democrats are going to own the Presidency and both houses of Congress for the foreseeable future.

Hey Bobby Jindal! The reason you're getting interviewed all the time is you were selected by the enemy to fail for your party! Step down you friggin idiot!

1117 sleepyone  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 10:22:49pm

re: #1112 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, I keep hearing this--a moderate isn't a real Muslim. By whose standards? Yours? Mine? International Jihad's? When I started reading up on Spencer, after the Late Unpleasantness, I found an interesting set of articles where he'd taken on a Muslim feminist scholar who said that she believed that hijab was not mandatory under Islam.

Spencer basically denounced her for not living up to his standard of 'real' Islam.

We say a lot here that we want to see the moderates, but if we genuinely don't believe they exist, what's to see?

There is no such thing as "moderate" Islam. Any suggestion otherwise ignores the doctrine of the death cult.

1118 William  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 11:27:39pm

I like Jindal. He represents America, is smart, and clearly loves his country deeply. The "creationism" criticisms are overblown.

His main limitation (for now) is that he's too young. A president should be at least 55-60. JFK was too young. Obama is too young.

That said, Romney/Jindal 2012?

1119 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 11:52:00pm

re: #1118 William

He represents America, is smart, and clearly loves his country deeply. The "creationism" criticisms are overblown.

Four points there. Assertions, really. Not all small ones either. It'd be nice, just for the sake of argument, if you could present some accurate details that back up those four assertions.

Heh, that said, lets focus on 2010. 2012 won't mean shit if we don't.

1120 Castlebravo  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 4:46:39am

Maybe this has already been mentioned, but I feel like mentioning it again so I'll feel better.

Did you notice that the only person that brought up race was Morley Safer? This relic from the 60's needs to wake up.

Not even the Louisiana News-dude mentioned race.

When will 60 minutes dump the dinosaurs?

1121 Nemesis6  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 5:53:42am

I'm assuming it won't play because I'm not in North America... How exactly do I circumvent this sillyness? There aren't any proxies that really work with embedded players.

1122 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:09:06am

Oh dear - looks like Jindal WILL be the GOP candidate in 2012.

1123 Ben F  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:19:46am

re: #1122 Jimmah

Oh dear - looks like Jindal WILL be the GOP candidate in 2012.

To quote Mrs. Jindal, "Gosh, no!"

1124 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:26:56am

re: #1123 Ben F

Heh. That was the comment that really confirmed his intentions.

1125 Ben F  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 6:31:04am

re: #55 reine.de.tout

Louisiana was the only state that added jobs in December 2008, and actually had a net gain of 8,700 jobs since December 2007.

Yeah. Shipping in federal tax dollars by the boatload will do that.

That was among the most infuriating aspects of Jindal's response to the President's address. "Thanks for all the help, America. . . . We all have to get over the idea that the federal government can just spend its way out of our economy's problems."

1126 docremulac  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:06:25am

re: #1118 William

"That said, Romney/Jindal 2012?"

Romney? Absolutely, the only man on our side who can stand up to a tough liberal interviewer and make his case successfully.

Jindal? No. An unwitting tool of the liberal left media. I've seen only two interviews and the liberal interviewers loved him because they served his head back to him on a platter. He was terrible.

This is war with these liberal media people and we need a candidate that:

A) Knows when they're under attack and
B) Can respond with an affirmative defense i.e. fighting back when asked accusatory questions by the iberal jerk.

And I hate to say it, but that goes for Sarah Palin too as much as I like her. Both the interviews that ruined her in the polls she was continuously being hammered, insulted and slapped around and she continued trying to be nice. Sad really.

1127 Joetheplumber  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:48:42am

re: #1126 docremulac

I agree 100% with you.

1128 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:59:16am

re: #1118 William

I like Jindal. He represents America, is smart, and clearly loves his country deeply. The "creationism" criticisms are overblown.

His main limitation (for now) is that he's too young. A president should be at least 55-60. JFK was too young. Obama is too young.

That said, Romney/Jindal 2012?

I don't think the creationist criticisms are overblown one bit. Jindal promoted and signed into law a sneaky bill inspired by the Discovery Institute -- this is far beyond what the creationism lobby has achieved in other states, and it has led to a rash of similar bills. He's not just a passive believer in creationism, he's an activist who has demonstrated very clearly that he's willing to use the power of the law to promote pseudo-science.

That's not overblown. Those are all facts.

1129 healem  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:36:36am

re: #456 _RememberTonyC


Based on how he has spent his first 6 weeks as President, it sure looks like he wants to "rule" instead of "govern." I hope the Repubs are ready to "cue up" this bite when things start to collapse.

I think even "govern" carries the wrong connotation. A president is elected to "serve" the people. He works for us, not the other way around. Obama seems to think his job is to impose his will, rather than ours.

1130 mica_ar  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 12:14:43pm

re: #1118 William

I like Jindal. He represents America, is smart, and clearly loves his country deeply. The "creationism" criticisms are overblown.

His main limitation (for now) is that he's too young. A president should be at least 55-60. JFK was too young. Obama is too young.

That said, Romney/Jindal 2012?

Despite the cynicism bouncing off the walls here, I have to agree with you. I've liked Jindal from the first and hope to see more of him. He's is definitely young; I'm not sure if he'd be a good pick for 2012, but if he stays this course, I'm looking forward to seeing more of him in the future.

1131 William  Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:01:46pm

re: #1128 Charles

That's not overblown. Those are all facts.

Perhaps it's a matter of priorities.  People generally have a set of issues which concern them (abortion, islamic terrorism, Iran having nukes, creationism, etc, etc).  Each issue is weighed differently, some held more important than others.

Speaking for myself, the threat of islamic terrorism ranks #1 and the threat of creationism ranks about # 999.  So if Jindal is strong on the issues that matter most, and is weak on issues that matter less (to me), then that's OK in my book.

There's no ideal candidate out there.  Even Reagan was far from perfect.

Compare Jindal to McCain, for example.  Remember how Palin "energized" the McCain campaign?  That was basically her youth, unapologetic love for America, and ability to speak without moral equivalence on the issues that mattered most.  Well, Jindal has those things on his own, and is probably much brighter, to boot.

1132 robomatic  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 9:54:41am

I mentioned this on the Vatican science thread but it bears repeating here:

Bobby Jindal, who was profiled on Sixty Minutes this past Sunday was presented as a convert to Catholicism who believed in Intelligent Design. He has also supported pro-Creationism in the public schools of Louisiana through measures promoted by the Discovery Institute.

This guy is anti-science in a fundamental (-ist) way.

1133 JacksonTn  Wed, Mar 4, 2009 4:04:00pm

re: #10 Cognito

"A pat on the head, and off you go, Bobby.

Loved you in Slumdog."

I never respond to your posts but this one time ... YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE ...


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